<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_03_2211231</id>
	<title>Some Early Adopters Stung By Ubuntu's Karmic Koala</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1257244140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Norsefire writes to mention a Register piece reporting that <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic\_koala\_frustration/">early adopters are having a tough time with Karmic Koala</a>, Ubuntu's latest release. <i>"Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro. Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums."</i> What has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Norsefire writes to mention a Register piece reporting that early adopters are having a tough time with Karmic Koala , Ubuntu 's latest release .
" Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration , with early adopters wishing they 'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro .
Blank and flickering screens , failure to recognize hard drives , defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel , and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll , as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums .
" What has been your experience if you 've moved to Karmic ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Norsefire writes to mention a Register piece reporting that early adopters are having a tough time with Karmic Koala, Ubuntu's latest release.
"Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro.
Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums.
" What has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972646</id>
	<title>Some GRUB2 links</title>
	<author>tqft</author>
	<datestamp>1257262200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did an upgrade to KK a few weeks back - some grub2 links I found</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/journal/238659/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-910-stuff" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/journal/238659/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-910-stuff</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did an upgrade to KK a few weeks back - some grub2 links I foundhttp : //slashdot.org/journal/238659/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-910-stuff [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did an upgrade to KK a few weeks back - some grub2 links I foundhttp://slashdot.org/journal/238659/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-910-stuff [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29989652</id>
	<title>slitering problems</title>
	<author>ncmathsadist</author>
	<datestamp>1257001080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Python's include mechanism and its path mechanism must be broken.  I installed Pygame via apt-get.Then I open a session and see this</p><p>

<tt>
&gt;&gt;&gt; include pygame<br>
No module pygame found
</tt>

</p><p>Oops. I built pygame for source; then it worked.  The printer applet is broken.  Its stderr stream is directed to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/null.  Add it to you panel and right-click. It launches system-config-printer.py  Error from this program: module gobject not found.  Scare up gobject.py in your file system, put it where needed, and then other modules are declared missing. You are now entering the gates of dependency hell.  I think that this could be causing a host of problems in Ubuntu 9.10.
</p><p>The includes for core modules of Python work.  It is extensions that don't.  This is the place to start looking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Python 's include mechanism and its path mechanism must be broken .
I installed Pygame via apt-get.Then I open a session and see this &gt; &gt; &gt; include pygame No module pygame found Oops .
I built pygame for source ; then it worked .
The printer applet is broken .
Its stderr stream is directed to /dev/null .
Add it to you panel and right-click .
It launches system-config-printer.py Error from this program : module gobject not found .
Scare up gobject.py in your file system , put it where needed , and then other modules are declared missing .
You are now entering the gates of dependency hell .
I think that this could be causing a host of problems in Ubuntu 9.10 .
The includes for core modules of Python work .
It is extensions that do n't .
This is the place to start looking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Python's include mechanism and its path mechanism must be broken.
I installed Pygame via apt-get.Then I open a session and see this


&gt;&gt;&gt; include pygame
No module pygame found


Oops.
I built pygame for source; then it worked.
The printer applet is broken.
Its stderr stream is directed to /dev/null.
Add it to you panel and right-click.
It launches system-config-printer.py  Error from this program: module gobject not found.
Scare up gobject.py in your file system, put it where needed, and then other modules are declared missing.
You are now entering the gates of dependency hell.
I think that this could be causing a host of problems in Ubuntu 9.10.
The includes for core modules of Python work.
It is extensions that don't.
This is the place to start looking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970172</id>
	<title>spent the day reinstalling Ubuntu today...</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1257249720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tried to update from Jaunty, and the unexpected mess cost the a whole day of work. Something went wrong with GDM getting restarted during the installation of some libs. The system got corrupted being repair. Many libs were left missing, and if tried to configure or reinstall upstart (it was marked "iU") the system simply rebooted (no joke!).</p><p>Tried to install Karmic directly only to discover that the grub(legacy) fall back in case of RAID didn't work. After spending some time trying to remedy that I gave up. Installed Jaunty, and did a update to Karmic with GDM off. It worked.</p><p>The new Gnome looks better, but the installation and upgrade are indeed incredibly unreliable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tried to update from Jaunty , and the unexpected mess cost the a whole day of work .
Something went wrong with GDM getting restarted during the installation of some libs .
The system got corrupted being repair .
Many libs were left missing , and if tried to configure or reinstall upstart ( it was marked " iU " ) the system simply rebooted ( no joke !
) .Tried to install Karmic directly only to discover that the grub ( legacy ) fall back in case of RAID did n't work .
After spending some time trying to remedy that I gave up .
Installed Jaunty , and did a update to Karmic with GDM off .
It worked.The new Gnome looks better , but the installation and upgrade are indeed incredibly unreliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tried to update from Jaunty, and the unexpected mess cost the a whole day of work.
Something went wrong with GDM getting restarted during the installation of some libs.
The system got corrupted being repair.
Many libs were left missing, and if tried to configure or reinstall upstart (it was marked "iU") the system simply rebooted (no joke!
).Tried to install Karmic directly only to discover that the grub(legacy) fall back in case of RAID didn't work.
After spending some time trying to remedy that I gave up.
Installed Jaunty, and did a update to Karmic with GDM off.
It worked.The new Gnome looks better, but the installation and upgrade are indeed incredibly unreliable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970198</id>
	<title>Thinkpad R61i - No problems either</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1257249780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have xubuntu running on a thinkpad R61i. It's been fine. All the hardware works. Full disk encryption works. Suspend and hibernate both work.</p><p>The only niggles I have are the firefox google box dropdowns are black on a dark gray background and therefore pretty hard to read and the battery monitor applet keeps disappearing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have xubuntu running on a thinkpad R61i .
It 's been fine .
All the hardware works .
Full disk encryption works .
Suspend and hibernate both work.The only niggles I have are the firefox google box dropdowns are black on a dark gray background and therefore pretty hard to read and the battery monitor applet keeps disappearing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have xubuntu running on a thinkpad R61i.
It's been fine.
All the hardware works.
Full disk encryption works.
Suspend and hibernate both work.The only niggles I have are the firefox google box dropdowns are black on a dark gray background and therefore pretty hard to read and the battery monitor applet keeps disappearing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979048</id>
	<title>Re:openSUSE 11.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Mandriva 2010 is out now. Why to stick with Ubuntu while you can use Mandriva or openSUSE?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Mandriva 2010 is out now .
Why to stick with Ubuntu while you can use Mandriva or openSUSE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Mandriva 2010 is out now.
Why to stick with Ubuntu while you can use Mandriva or openSUSE?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974214</id>
	<title>Karmic? Got it, works great with minor issues.</title>
	<author>alizard</author>
	<datestamp>1257274380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm running Kubuntu Karmic, and I upgraded in place from Kubuntu Jaunty, I did not do a fresh install.
<br> <br>
Seems to work better with ATI drivers, I've got the proprietary driver working for the first time since I bought this A780GM integrated motherboard. Nice to see the good old spinning cube desktop change running here again.
<br> <br>
I'm happier with it than I was with Jaunty.
<br> <br>
Minor rough edges. Workarounds mentioned not guaranteed to work for everyone.
<br> <br>
1. USB ports after hub not recognized. Workaround - unplug, replug, enjoy your peripherals.
<br>
2. Suspend (pm-suspend - mine is set up with uswsusp) only works when you push power button, not from keyboard. Since it works on wake-on-LAN, it would be nice to see it fixed, but I'm in no hurry. However, if you want this to work consistently, you need to find a place to put (as root) ethtool -s eth0 wol g - best way to do that is to add it as a pm-suspend quirk so it'll get run during machine shutdown.
<br>
3. Sun Virtualbox does not print from WinXP with Kubuntu Karmic host. Presumably, you've already enabled yourself as a member of the vboxusers group. Add yourself to the lp group as well.
<br>
4. Network management applet still does not work properly. This may be because I manually edited a few files to deal with the same problem in Jaunty.
<br>
5. Proprietary driver manager (access via Hardware Drivers from menu) does nothing when you click activate button. Workaround - install envy-ng from repository and run it, if it won't run from the menus, use sudo envyng-t from terminal to run in text mode<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and it's easy once you do this.
<br> <br>
Presumably, people who adopt Karmic a few weeks from now will find all or most of these problems solved out of the box.
<br> <br>No horror story, no drama. Just another routine upgrade that leaves things running better and looking cooler.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running Kubuntu Karmic , and I upgraded in place from Kubuntu Jaunty , I did not do a fresh install .
Seems to work better with ATI drivers , I 've got the proprietary driver working for the first time since I bought this A780GM integrated motherboard .
Nice to see the good old spinning cube desktop change running here again .
I 'm happier with it than I was with Jaunty .
Minor rough edges .
Workarounds mentioned not guaranteed to work for everyone .
1. USB ports after hub not recognized .
Workaround - unplug , replug , enjoy your peripherals .
2. Suspend ( pm-suspend - mine is set up with uswsusp ) only works when you push power button , not from keyboard .
Since it works on wake-on-LAN , it would be nice to see it fixed , but I 'm in no hurry .
However , if you want this to work consistently , you need to find a place to put ( as root ) ethtool -s eth0 wol g - best way to do that is to add it as a pm-suspend quirk so it 'll get run during machine shutdown .
3. Sun Virtualbox does not print from WinXP with Kubuntu Karmic host .
Presumably , you 've already enabled yourself as a member of the vboxusers group .
Add yourself to the lp group as well .
4. Network management applet still does not work properly .
This may be because I manually edited a few files to deal with the same problem in Jaunty .
5. Proprietary driver manager ( access via Hardware Drivers from menu ) does nothing when you click activate button .
Workaround - install envy-ng from repository and run it , if it wo n't run from the menus , use sudo envyng-t from terminal to run in text mode ... and it 's easy once you do this .
Presumably , people who adopt Karmic a few weeks from now will find all or most of these problems solved out of the box .
No horror story , no drama .
Just another routine upgrade that leaves things running better and looking cooler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running Kubuntu Karmic, and I upgraded in place from Kubuntu Jaunty, I did not do a fresh install.
Seems to work better with ATI drivers, I've got the proprietary driver working for the first time since I bought this A780GM integrated motherboard.
Nice to see the good old spinning cube desktop change running here again.
I'm happier with it than I was with Jaunty.
Minor rough edges.
Workarounds mentioned not guaranteed to work for everyone.
1. USB ports after hub not recognized.
Workaround - unplug, replug, enjoy your peripherals.
2. Suspend (pm-suspend - mine is set up with uswsusp) only works when you push power button, not from keyboard.
Since it works on wake-on-LAN, it would be nice to see it fixed, but I'm in no hurry.
However, if you want this to work consistently, you need to find a place to put (as root) ethtool -s eth0 wol g - best way to do that is to add it as a pm-suspend quirk so it'll get run during machine shutdown.
3. Sun Virtualbox does not print from WinXP with Kubuntu Karmic host.
Presumably, you've already enabled yourself as a member of the vboxusers group.
Add yourself to the lp group as well.
4. Network management applet still does not work properly.
This may be because I manually edited a few files to deal with the same problem in Jaunty.
5. Proprietary driver manager (access via Hardware Drivers from menu) does nothing when you click activate button.
Workaround - install envy-ng from repository and run it, if it won't run from the menus, use sudo envyng-t from terminal to run in text mode ... and it's easy once you do this.
Presumably, people who adopt Karmic a few weeks from now will find all or most of these problems solved out of the box.
No horror story, no drama.
Just another routine upgrade that leaves things running better and looking cooler.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970268</id>
	<title>upgrade from 9.04 on a dual boot laptop</title>
	<author>trb</author>
	<datestamp>1257249960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a dual boot (vista/ubuntu) toshiba laptop that I bought in the early vista days.
I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 last night.
I'm an experienced hacker (Unix since the late 70's, PDP10s before that).
<p>

The upgrade asked me about the grub.conf, and it was pretty cryptic, as the diffs it displayed weren't showing all the kernels I thought I had.  I told it to leave the original grub.conf there, assuming I could reboot into the old kernel and then run update-grub and look at the grub.conf and hack it by hand if necessary.  When it rebooted into my old kernel, the system didn't see my lappy touchpad, so I couldn't use the GUI.  So I hit ctl-alt-f1 and used a text window to log in (the keyboard worked).  As I recall, update-grub wasn't adding the new kernel at that point, so I just edited grub.conf by hand and added it in.  I rebooted into the new kernel, which understood my touchpad.  After that, I was able to run update-grub, and it found the new kernel, and reboots after that seem ok.
</p><p>
I haven't used it for more than 15 minutes, but it saw my disk, keyboard, touchpad, and wireless.  I didn't notice anything else ailing, but I haven't looked carefully.
But the way grub handles the new kernel does seem broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a dual boot ( vista/ubuntu ) toshiba laptop that I bought in the early vista days .
I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 last night .
I 'm an experienced hacker ( Unix since the late 70 's , PDP10s before that ) .
The upgrade asked me about the grub.conf , and it was pretty cryptic , as the diffs it displayed were n't showing all the kernels I thought I had .
I told it to leave the original grub.conf there , assuming I could reboot into the old kernel and then run update-grub and look at the grub.conf and hack it by hand if necessary .
When it rebooted into my old kernel , the system did n't see my lappy touchpad , so I could n't use the GUI .
So I hit ctl-alt-f1 and used a text window to log in ( the keyboard worked ) .
As I recall , update-grub was n't adding the new kernel at that point , so I just edited grub.conf by hand and added it in .
I rebooted into the new kernel , which understood my touchpad .
After that , I was able to run update-grub , and it found the new kernel , and reboots after that seem ok . I have n't used it for more than 15 minutes , but it saw my disk , keyboard , touchpad , and wireless .
I did n't notice anything else ailing , but I have n't looked carefully .
But the way grub handles the new kernel does seem broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a dual boot (vista/ubuntu) toshiba laptop that I bought in the early vista days.
I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 last night.
I'm an experienced hacker (Unix since the late 70's, PDP10s before that).
The upgrade asked me about the grub.conf, and it was pretty cryptic, as the diffs it displayed weren't showing all the kernels I thought I had.
I told it to leave the original grub.conf there, assuming I could reboot into the old kernel and then run update-grub and look at the grub.conf and hack it by hand if necessary.
When it rebooted into my old kernel, the system didn't see my lappy touchpad, so I couldn't use the GUI.
So I hit ctl-alt-f1 and used a text window to log in (the keyboard worked).
As I recall, update-grub wasn't adding the new kernel at that point, so I just edited grub.conf by hand and added it in.
I rebooted into the new kernel, which understood my touchpad.
After that, I was able to run update-grub, and it found the new kernel, and reboots after that seem ok.

I haven't used it for more than 15 minutes, but it saw my disk, keyboard, touchpad, and wireless.
I didn't notice anything else ailing, but I haven't looked carefully.
But the way grub handles the new kernel does seem broken.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975232</id>
	<title>Crashes After a Few Hours</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1256981820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The box on which I upgraded to U9.10 from U9.4, a P4 Intel mobo w/ integrated graphics, crashes GNOME (but not the kernel) after 2-6 hours running Firefox, Evolution and a few Nautilus folder windows. I suspect its 512MB RAM, but I haven't probed it over the LAN to see what's left up and in what condition. I'm hoping the next few days/weeks see patches that get it to a real stable condition on such extremely common HW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The box on which I upgraded to U9.10 from U9.4 , a P4 Intel mobo w/ integrated graphics , crashes GNOME ( but not the kernel ) after 2-6 hours running Firefox , Evolution and a few Nautilus folder windows .
I suspect its 512MB RAM , but I have n't probed it over the LAN to see what 's left up and in what condition .
I 'm hoping the next few days/weeks see patches that get it to a real stable condition on such extremely common HW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The box on which I upgraded to U9.10 from U9.4, a P4 Intel mobo w/ integrated graphics, crashes GNOME (but not the kernel) after 2-6 hours running Firefox, Evolution and a few Nautilus folder windows.
I suspect its 512MB RAM, but I haven't probed it over the LAN to see what's left up and in what condition.
I'm hoping the next few days/weeks see patches that get it to a real stable condition on such extremely common HW.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971974</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>racasper</author>
	<datestamp>1257257400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lost sound after upgrading.  Found this fix on a forum, and it worked..</p><p>Open this menu: System/ Administration/ Hardware Drivers<br>Remove the Software Modem driver.  For some reason it interferes with alsa.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lost sound after upgrading .
Found this fix on a forum , and it worked..Open this menu : System/ Administration/ Hardware DriversRemove the Software Modem driver .
For some reason it interferes with alsa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lost sound after upgrading.
Found this fix on a forum, and it worked..Open this menu: System/ Administration/ Hardware DriversRemove the Software Modem driver.
For some reason it interferes with alsa.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970158</id>
	<title>Why did they adopt early?</title>
	<author>Tribbin</author>
	<datestamp>1257249660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release?</p><p>Even a fresh debian-stable release needs a cool-down period before running it on anything but hobby or non-mission-critical computers.</p><p>You'd expect quirks to come up on anything that is released to a wide public for the first time, being it windows, linux, a media-player, an instruction manual,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release ? Even a fresh debian-stable release needs a cool-down period before running it on anything but hobby or non-mission-critical computers.You 'd expect quirks to come up on anything that is released to a wide public for the first time , being it windows , linux , a media-player , an instruction manual , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release?Even a fresh debian-stable release needs a cool-down period before running it on anything but hobby or non-mission-critical computers.You'd expect quirks to come up on anything that is released to a wide public for the first time, being it windows, linux, a media-player, an instruction manual, ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30020668</id>
	<title>uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257685500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After each D upgrade you MUST remove the old python. It will fix at least 30\% of all bugs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After each D upgrade you MUST remove the old python .
It will fix at least 30 \ % of all bugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After each D upgrade you MUST remove the old python.
It will fix at least 30\% of all bugs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973084</id>
	<title>Re:FUD? On my slashdot?</title>
	<author>joe\_frisch</author>
	<datestamp>1257265980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Upgraded 3 machines. (one newish with AMD quad-core, one old IBM thinkpad x60, one ancient PC), only problem was a minor display issue with the ubuntu-satanic themes.

Overall, very smooth - for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded 3 machines .
( one newish with AMD quad-core , one old IBM thinkpad x60 , one ancient PC ) , only problem was a minor display issue with the ubuntu-satanic themes .
Overall , very smooth - for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded 3 machines.
(one newish with AMD quad-core, one old IBM thinkpad x60, one ancient PC), only problem was a minor display issue with the ubuntu-satanic themes.
Overall, very smooth - for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969832</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970226</id>
	<title>Four days later, got my Thinkpad T61 working</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had Jaunty running previously with NVidia proprietary drivers installed (allowed the NVidia installer to compile its own kernel module).  My laptop uses the snd-hda-intel driver.</p><p>I found that:<br>1) Kernel was old version, not updated (And surprise!  ALSA drivers were MOVED into the new kernel, so you can install what ever you want, it won't work until you resolve the kernel, check your logs or experiment with modprobe to see if you're having issues loading the drivers)<br>2) Switch to UDEV seems to have reverted strange timing issue bt. ALSA and PulseAudio, causing some apps like Audacity or flash plugin to have really bad lag and/or CPU usage.  Need to tweak<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/pulse/default.sa to change the timer mode for UDEV as folks had done before with HAL via a setting<br>3) When switching kernels, had to boot to recovery mode and recompile NVidia driver against new kernel before X would start</p><p>Also, Alsa-utils ditched the alsaconf tool a while back and a lot of old sage advice recommends the use of this tool.  This advice is worthless and a total red herring now.  Ugh.</p><p>Anyway, I'm running at full speed.  If anything I'm where I was before, though startup does seem maybe a little faster.  Nothing else seems out of place or outright broken.  I really hope they do more regression testing on upgrades in the future, since a lot of this was related to the UDEV and kernel updates more than anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had Jaunty running previously with NVidia proprietary drivers installed ( allowed the NVidia installer to compile its own kernel module ) .
My laptop uses the snd-hda-intel driver.I found that : 1 ) Kernel was old version , not updated ( And surprise !
ALSA drivers were MOVED into the new kernel , so you can install what ever you want , it wo n't work until you resolve the kernel , check your logs or experiment with modprobe to see if you 're having issues loading the drivers ) 2 ) Switch to UDEV seems to have reverted strange timing issue bt .
ALSA and PulseAudio , causing some apps like Audacity or flash plugin to have really bad lag and/or CPU usage .
Need to tweak /etc/pulse/default.sa to change the timer mode for UDEV as folks had done before with HAL via a setting3 ) When switching kernels , had to boot to recovery mode and recompile NVidia driver against new kernel before X would startAlso , Alsa-utils ditched the alsaconf tool a while back and a lot of old sage advice recommends the use of this tool .
This advice is worthless and a total red herring now .
Ugh.Anyway , I 'm running at full speed .
If anything I 'm where I was before , though startup does seem maybe a little faster .
Nothing else seems out of place or outright broken .
I really hope they do more regression testing on upgrades in the future , since a lot of this was related to the UDEV and kernel updates more than anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had Jaunty running previously with NVidia proprietary drivers installed (allowed the NVidia installer to compile its own kernel module).
My laptop uses the snd-hda-intel driver.I found that:1) Kernel was old version, not updated (And surprise!
ALSA drivers were MOVED into the new kernel, so you can install what ever you want, it won't work until you resolve the kernel, check your logs or experiment with modprobe to see if you're having issues loading the drivers)2) Switch to UDEV seems to have reverted strange timing issue bt.
ALSA and PulseAudio, causing some apps like Audacity or flash plugin to have really bad lag and/or CPU usage.
Need to tweak /etc/pulse/default.sa to change the timer mode for UDEV as folks had done before with HAL via a setting3) When switching kernels, had to boot to recovery mode and recompile NVidia driver against new kernel before X would startAlso, Alsa-utils ditched the alsaconf tool a while back and a lot of old sage advice recommends the use of this tool.
This advice is worthless and a total red herring now.
Ugh.Anyway, I'm running at full speed.
If anything I'm where I was before, though startup does seem maybe a little faster.
Nothing else seems out of place or outright broken.
I really hope they do more regression testing on upgrades in the future, since a lot of this was related to the UDEV and kernel updates more than anything else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975462</id>
	<title>Nothing of the sort</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been testing and enjoying Karmic for a while now<br>No issue what so ever of the ones mentionned<br>There even is an up to date version of wine in the Ubuntu repository for my games</p><p>My only frustration is with the new login screen (GDM) which fine tuning is not as easy as the previous one</p><p>I enjoy a faster boot than with 9.04 Jaunty, better hardware support and cross-software integration...<br>I really think it is on the right path</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been testing and enjoying Karmic for a while nowNo issue what so ever of the ones mentionnedThere even is an up to date version of wine in the Ubuntu repository for my gamesMy only frustration is with the new login screen ( GDM ) which fine tuning is not as easy as the previous oneI enjoy a faster boot than with 9.04 Jaunty , better hardware support and cross-software integration...I really think it is on the right path</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been testing and enjoying Karmic for a while nowNo issue what so ever of the ones mentionnedThere even is an up to date version of wine in the Ubuntu repository for my gamesMy only frustration is with the new login screen (GDM) which fine tuning is not as easy as the previous oneI enjoy a faster boot than with 9.04 Jaunty, better hardware support and cross-software integration...I really think it is on the right path</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973834</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi works</title>
	<author>dr\_dank</author>
	<datestamp>1257271740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sleep! That's where I'm a viking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sleep !
That 's where I 'm a viking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sleep!
That's where I'm a viking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970164</id>
	<title>I started with Alpha 5 and it has been great</title>
	<author>pyite69</author>
	<datestamp>1257249660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No weird problems like this at all.  I didn't do an upgrade though, it was a fresh Alpha 5 install.</p><p>I will never do an operating system upgrade - it seems too risky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No weird problems like this at all .
I did n't do an upgrade though , it was a fresh Alpha 5 install.I will never do an operating system upgrade - it seems too risky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No weird problems like this at all.
I didn't do an upgrade though, it was a fresh Alpha 5 install.I will never do an operating system upgrade - it seems too risky.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30016498</id>
	<title>I switched.... Succesfuly. :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257585720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I switched to Ubuntu 9.10 just a week after the beta was out (the beta itself didn't work on my PC, but fortunately it got fixed), and I have to say... it works WAY better than the previous release for me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) FInally my (Intel, 8mb on board) video drivers work good enough to paly World of Goo, also compiz is now running smoothly.</p><p>I'm sorry, but I love the Koala<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I switched to Ubuntu 9.10 just a week after the beta was out ( the beta itself did n't work on my PC , but fortunately it got fixed ) , and I have to say... it works WAY better than the previous release for me : ) FInally my ( Intel , 8mb on board ) video drivers work good enough to paly World of Goo , also compiz is now running smoothly.I 'm sorry , but I love the Koala : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I switched to Ubuntu 9.10 just a week after the beta was out (the beta itself didn't work on my PC, but fortunately it got fixed), and I have to say... it works WAY better than the previous release for me :) FInally my (Intel, 8mb on board) video drivers work good enough to paly World of Goo, also compiz is now running smoothly.I'm sorry, but I love the Koala :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971336</id>
	<title>A dodgy upgrade indeed</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1257254040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can barely make out the network and audio icons any more in the taskbar.</p><p>Gnome is just out of date. It's akin to XP when the competition has moved to Win7/SL. The UI is simply CRAP. This translates directly to Ubuntu.</p><p>The upgrade seemed to go okay for me, but there were problems with PostgreSQL and VirtualBox-ose. Also the upgrade terminal was full of DBus errors. These are things that would terrify a normal user (granted they wouldn't have installed PostgreSQL probably). The upgrade process wasn't automated, so you couldn't leave it alone to do its thing.</p><p>Firefox is updated, but has no options, and comes with an annoying default tab behaviour.</p><p>Empathy seems to work, but it is a really primitive chat client. This is probably due to using Gnome.</p><p>I think I'll wipe and try Kubuntu instead. KDE 4.3 is meant to be good.</p><p>I've used Ubuntu with Gnome for around 30 months as well. Gnome is going nowhere though, and it's looking more and more dated to me (not in terms of looks, a nice theme isn't the problem, it's the design of UIs that seems rather archaic, or in Empathy's case you just need to compare it to Adium on Mac OS X to see how clunky it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can barely make out the network and audio icons any more in the taskbar.Gnome is just out of date .
It 's akin to XP when the competition has moved to Win7/SL .
The UI is simply CRAP .
This translates directly to Ubuntu.The upgrade seemed to go okay for me , but there were problems with PostgreSQL and VirtualBox-ose .
Also the upgrade terminal was full of DBus errors .
These are things that would terrify a normal user ( granted they would n't have installed PostgreSQL probably ) .
The upgrade process was n't automated , so you could n't leave it alone to do its thing.Firefox is updated , but has no options , and comes with an annoying default tab behaviour.Empathy seems to work , but it is a really primitive chat client .
This is probably due to using Gnome.I think I 'll wipe and try Kubuntu instead .
KDE 4.3 is meant to be good.I 've used Ubuntu with Gnome for around 30 months as well .
Gnome is going nowhere though , and it 's looking more and more dated to me ( not in terms of looks , a nice theme is n't the problem , it 's the design of UIs that seems rather archaic , or in Empathy 's case you just need to compare it to Adium on Mac OS X to see how clunky it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can barely make out the network and audio icons any more in the taskbar.Gnome is just out of date.
It's akin to XP when the competition has moved to Win7/SL.
The UI is simply CRAP.
This translates directly to Ubuntu.The upgrade seemed to go okay for me, but there were problems with PostgreSQL and VirtualBox-ose.
Also the upgrade terminal was full of DBus errors.
These are things that would terrify a normal user (granted they wouldn't have installed PostgreSQL probably).
The upgrade process wasn't automated, so you couldn't leave it alone to do its thing.Firefox is updated, but has no options, and comes with an annoying default tab behaviour.Empathy seems to work, but it is a really primitive chat client.
This is probably due to using Gnome.I think I'll wipe and try Kubuntu instead.
KDE 4.3 is meant to be good.I've used Ubuntu with Gnome for around 30 months as well.
Gnome is going nowhere though, and it's looking more and more dated to me (not in terms of looks, a nice theme isn't the problem, it's the design of UIs that seems rather archaic, or in Empathy's case you just need to compare it to Adium on Mac OS X to see how clunky it is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976488</id>
	<title>Worst. Release. Ever.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded three machines.  One went almost flawlessly and two were rendered incapable of booting (one for init problems, the other for failure to find and mount the LVM on RAID).  A better name for the release might have been Kolossal Klusterfuck.  At least it's way easier to get a full refund from them than from Microsoft.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded three machines .
One went almost flawlessly and two were rendered incapable of booting ( one for init problems , the other for failure to find and mount the LVM on RAID ) .
A better name for the release might have been Kolossal Klusterfuck .
At least it 's way easier to get a full refund from them than from Microsoft .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded three machines.
One went almost flawlessly and two were rendered incapable of booting (one for init problems, the other for failure to find and mount the LVM on RAID).
A better name for the release might have been Kolossal Klusterfuck.
At least it's way easier to get a full refund from them than from Microsoft.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971292</id>
	<title>Damn, Koala venom!</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1257253800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Koala stings can be very nasty!  If you've been stung by a koala, it's critically important that you draw out as much of the venom as possible and call an ambulance to take you to the emergency room as soon as you can.  Don't make the mistake of trying to drive there on your own!  Without the ambulance's emergency flashers it could take too long, and there is a very real danger that the venom's psychotropic effects will kick in before you can arrive - if that happens you could wind up causing a very serious traffic accident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Koala stings can be very nasty !
If you 've been stung by a koala , it 's critically important that you draw out as much of the venom as possible and call an ambulance to take you to the emergency room as soon as you can .
Do n't make the mistake of trying to drive there on your own !
Without the ambulance 's emergency flashers it could take too long , and there is a very real danger that the venom 's psychotropic effects will kick in before you can arrive - if that happens you could wind up causing a very serious traffic accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Koala stings can be very nasty!
If you've been stung by a koala, it's critically important that you draw out as much of the venom as possible and call an ambulance to take you to the emergency room as soon as you can.
Don't make the mistake of trying to drive there on your own!
Without the ambulance's emergency flashers it could take too long, and there is a very real danger that the venom's psychotropic effects will kick in before you can arrive - if that happens you could wind up causing a very serious traffic accident.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972950</id>
	<title>It worked great for me and is faster than Jaunty.</title>
	<author>HardWoodWorker</author>
	<datestamp>1257264840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am very happy.  I am enjoying my Jaunty -&gt; Karmic upgrade more than my Vista -&gt; Win7 upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am very happy .
I am enjoying my Jaunty - &gt; Karmic upgrade more than my Vista - &gt; Win7 upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am very happy.
I am enjoying my Jaunty -&gt; Karmic upgrade more than my Vista -&gt; Win7 upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973142</id>
	<title>HP laptop video pain</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1257266520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, upgrading my HP laptop with Nvidia video caused it to display a flashing text console.  I think the X startup was failing, and it kept restarting X.

I had to reboot into Ubuntu's recovery mode, select the network start, and let apt-get get the latest updates.  As I suspected, that took care of the problem.  So whatever causes that problem has been solved, but it hadn't been pushed back into the release CD.  The hard part was that apt-get kept asking for a CD which I didn't have, until I commented out that CD in the sources list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , upgrading my HP laptop with Nvidia video caused it to display a flashing text console .
I think the X startup was failing , and it kept restarting X . I had to reboot into Ubuntu 's recovery mode , select the network start , and let apt-get get the latest updates .
As I suspected , that took care of the problem .
So whatever causes that problem has been solved , but it had n't been pushed back into the release CD .
The hard part was that apt-get kept asking for a CD which I did n't have , until I commented out that CD in the sources list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, upgrading my HP laptop with Nvidia video caused it to display a flashing text console.
I think the X startup was failing, and it kept restarting X.

I had to reboot into Ubuntu's recovery mode, select the network start, and let apt-get get the latest updates.
As I suspected, that took care of the problem.
So whatever causes that problem has been solved, but it hadn't been pushed back into the release CD.
The hard part was that apt-get kept asking for a CD which I didn't have, until I commented out that CD in the sources list.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975658</id>
	<title>Upgrading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded my old "test" HP laptop from Jaunty to Karmic before risking anything I actually try to work with. The upgrade would freeze midway through downloading on wifi. No problem, I plugged in the Ethernet cable. The upgrade completed, and I rebooted. No madwifi included in this this version, so no Atheros card. I installed it with subversion, and the card was recognised until I rebooted again. It hasn't worked since. All the wireless encryption keys have disappeared, and when I re-enter them, it won't remember them. Mythfrontend says it can't talk to the Jaunty backend, and tells me to upgrade that. Reverting to the previous frontend is complicated at best, and with the problems I've had, and more I've read about, upgrading the backend doesn't give me much confidence. Time to wait a month or six.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my old " test " HP laptop from Jaunty to Karmic before risking anything I actually try to work with .
The upgrade would freeze midway through downloading on wifi .
No problem , I plugged in the Ethernet cable .
The upgrade completed , and I rebooted .
No madwifi included in this this version , so no Atheros card .
I installed it with subversion , and the card was recognised until I rebooted again .
It has n't worked since .
All the wireless encryption keys have disappeared , and when I re-enter them , it wo n't remember them .
Mythfrontend says it ca n't talk to the Jaunty backend , and tells me to upgrade that .
Reverting to the previous frontend is complicated at best , and with the problems I 've had , and more I 've read about , upgrading the backend does n't give me much confidence .
Time to wait a month or six .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my old "test" HP laptop from Jaunty to Karmic before risking anything I actually try to work with.
The upgrade would freeze midway through downloading on wifi.
No problem, I plugged in the Ethernet cable.
The upgrade completed, and I rebooted.
No madwifi included in this this version, so no Atheros card.
I installed it with subversion, and the card was recognised until I rebooted again.
It hasn't worked since.
All the wireless encryption keys have disappeared, and when I re-enter them, it won't remember them.
Mythfrontend says it can't talk to the Jaunty backend, and tells me to upgrade that.
Reverting to the previous frontend is complicated at best, and with the problems I've had, and more I've read about, upgrading the backend doesn't give me much confidence.
Time to wait a month or six.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1257257100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX. This is NOT news. When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break. I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves. To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:</p><p>1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle? The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.</p><p>2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway? If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.</p><p>To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years. Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* sigh * We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX .
This is NOT news .
When you 're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications , things are bound to break .
I 'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything , but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves .
To everyone who claims they were " stung " by this update , I have two questions : 1 ) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle ?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release , it 's a trivial matter to burn a copy , stick it in your machine , and give it a test run.2 ) If stability is important to you ( and I assume it is by the use of the word " stung " ) , why did you upgrade anyway ?
If I 'm not mistaken , Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example , I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years .
Out of those , NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu , even Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX.
This is NOT news.
When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break.
I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves.
To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway?
If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years.
Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29986126</id>
	<title>Re:I've upgraded....</title>
	<author>PincushionMan</author>
	<datestamp>1256985240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should try one of the mirrors.  I cut my download time down from 4 hours to 45 minutes.  I like that they are classified by location and speed.  Find them <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">here</a> [launchpad.net]. <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">Source</a> [ubuntu.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should try one of the mirrors .
I cut my download time down from 4 hours to 45 minutes .
I like that they are classified by location and speed .
Find them here [ launchpad.net ] .
Source [ ubuntu.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should try one of the mirrors.
I cut my download time down from 4 hours to 45 minutes.
I like that they are classified by location and speed.
Find them here [launchpad.net].
Source [ubuntu.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969644</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974126</id>
	<title>Internet  Woes</title>
	<author>somegeekynick</author>
	<datestamp>1257273540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just yesterday, I installed Karmic on a brand new computer. Installation went fine, and a cold boot takes 26-27 seconds, but Internet speed is sllllllooooo...w -- virtually non-existent. I was able to find a work-around for Firefox by setting the value of network.dns.disableIPv6 to true in about:config. But I was able to find neither a system-wide fix nor a permanent solution. (Yes, I have tried playing around with the GRUB file, it does not work.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just yesterday , I installed Karmic on a brand new computer .
Installation went fine , and a cold boot takes 26-27 seconds , but Internet speed is sllllllooooo...w -- virtually non-existent .
I was able to find a work-around for Firefox by setting the value of network.dns.disableIPv6 to true in about : config .
But I was able to find neither a system-wide fix nor a permanent solution .
( Yes , I have tried playing around with the GRUB file , it does not work .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just yesterday, I installed Karmic on a brand new computer.
Installation went fine, and a cold boot takes 26-27 seconds, but Internet speed is sllllllooooo...w -- virtually non-existent.
I was able to find a work-around for Firefox by setting the value of network.dns.disableIPv6 to true in about:config.
But I was able to find neither a system-wide fix nor a permanent solution.
(Yes, I have tried playing around with the GRUB file, it does not work.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971678</id>
	<title>Re:Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1257255720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've installed on 4 different machines (including one I've always had trouble with because of the cheap KVM) and it's been the least effort I've ever had to put in. No custom scripts to fix the screen up on my work notebook (dual screen just works and it detects when I'm not at work and goes back to single). My Desktop at home runs exceptionally smoothly (nvidia card). I seem to be able to watch flash on my Notebook again, pulse seems to be behaving nicely (no slow, jitter or ultra fast). My Fiance is voluntarily using the Netbook Remix I installed on her machine (XP Home is the default, no point forcing her into anything else), which was also pretty seamless. So three fresh installs and an Upgrade. 3 desktop/1 Remix.<br> <br>I did read that a lot of people were having troubles with 64bit + the closed source binary nvidia drivers, but can we really hold Ubuntu responsible for that? There is a big warning when installing the Binary drivers, so maybe Nvidia need to get there shit together.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've installed on 4 different machines ( including one I 've always had trouble with because of the cheap KVM ) and it 's been the least effort I 've ever had to put in .
No custom scripts to fix the screen up on my work notebook ( dual screen just works and it detects when I 'm not at work and goes back to single ) .
My Desktop at home runs exceptionally smoothly ( nvidia card ) .
I seem to be able to watch flash on my Notebook again , pulse seems to be behaving nicely ( no slow , jitter or ultra fast ) .
My Fiance is voluntarily using the Netbook Remix I installed on her machine ( XP Home is the default , no point forcing her into anything else ) , which was also pretty seamless .
So three fresh installs and an Upgrade .
3 desktop/1 Remix .
I did read that a lot of people were having troubles with 64bit + the closed source binary nvidia drivers , but can we really hold Ubuntu responsible for that ?
There is a big warning when installing the Binary drivers , so maybe Nvidia need to get there shit together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've installed on 4 different machines (including one I've always had trouble with because of the cheap KVM) and it's been the least effort I've ever had to put in.
No custom scripts to fix the screen up on my work notebook (dual screen just works and it detects when I'm not at work and goes back to single).
My Desktop at home runs exceptionally smoothly (nvidia card).
I seem to be able to watch flash on my Notebook again, pulse seems to be behaving nicely (no slow, jitter or ultra fast).
My Fiance is voluntarily using the Netbook Remix I installed on her machine (XP Home is the default, no point forcing her into anything else), which was also pretty seamless.
So three fresh installs and an Upgrade.
3 desktop/1 Remix.
I did read that a lot of people were having troubles with 64bit + the closed source binary nvidia drivers, but can we really hold Ubuntu responsible for that?
There is a big warning when installing the Binary drivers, so maybe Nvidia need to get there shit together.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969654</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972086</id>
	<title>grub2 killed me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257258360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I installed 9.10 to test it out and then repented and went back to Linux Mint 7.  I just couldn't stand the grub2 bootloader.  It was far more difficult to configure and to set the default selection of the bootloader, the time, etc. and it doesn't have nearly as cool of an appearance as good old GRUB.  Maybe with a few tweaks in the future it'll be up to par, but for now I'm sticking with Linux Mint 7 and GRUB 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I installed 9.10 to test it out and then repented and went back to Linux Mint 7 .
I just could n't stand the grub2 bootloader .
It was far more difficult to configure and to set the default selection of the bootloader , the time , etc .
and it does n't have nearly as cool of an appearance as good old GRUB .
Maybe with a few tweaks in the future it 'll be up to par , but for now I 'm sticking with Linux Mint 7 and GRUB 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I installed 9.10 to test it out and then repented and went back to Linux Mint 7.
I just couldn't stand the grub2 bootloader.
It was far more difficult to configure and to set the default selection of the bootloader, the time, etc.
and it doesn't have nearly as cool of an appearance as good old GRUB.
Maybe with a few tweaks in the future it'll be up to par, but for now I'm sticking with Linux Mint 7 and GRUB 1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969748</id>
	<title>The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as we're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes, let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth.  I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another, and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as we 're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes , let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth .
I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another , and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as we're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes, let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth.
I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another, and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969618</id>
	<title>Fix avalible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>open a command line and type</p><p>sudo "yes &gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/mem"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>open a command line and typesudo " yes &gt; /dev/mem "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>open a command line and typesudo "yes &gt; /dev/mem"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blank and flickering screens: No<br>Failure to recognize hard drives: No<br>Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: No<br>Failure to get encryption running:<br>Sorta, but only because my computer took a dive in the middle of the live upgrade. I had to remount / read-write from an emergency console and run apt-get again. Or actually it told me to run "dpkg --configure -a" to correct it. That installed most things, but I had to reboot into the normal recovery console and run last updates. Rebooted and...</p><p>Working flawlessly with full disk encryption and everything. No problems with anything so far, that's my anecdotal evidence at least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blank and flickering screens : NoFailure to recognize hard drives : NoDefaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel : NoFailure to get encryption running : Sorta , but only because my computer took a dive in the middle of the live upgrade .
I had to remount / read-write from an emergency console and run apt-get again .
Or actually it told me to run " dpkg --configure -a " to correct it .
That installed most things , but I had to reboot into the normal recovery console and run last updates .
Rebooted and...Working flawlessly with full disk encryption and everything .
No problems with anything so far , that 's my anecdotal evidence at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blank and flickering screens: NoFailure to recognize hard drives: NoDefaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: NoFailure to get encryption running:Sorta, but only because my computer took a dive in the middle of the live upgrade.
I had to remount / read-write from an emergency console and run apt-get again.
Or actually it told me to run "dpkg --configure -a" to correct it.
That installed most things, but I had to reboot into the normal recovery console and run last updates.
Rebooted and...Working flawlessly with full disk encryption and everything.
No problems with anything so far, that's my anecdotal evidence at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30070732</id>
	<title>Need explanation of status of releases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258024380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be useful if Canonical would explain how releases work:</p><p>Will a downloaded version ever change? For example if 9.10 has broken networking - if I delay say 3 months, will a downnloaded 9.10 have this fixed?</p><p>What happens to a user if a given release has broken networking? What does Canonical expect a user to do next?</p><p>If networking is OK, then will updates gradually make the release more stable? Or will it just bring in software that may or may not be OK?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be useful if Canonical would explain how releases work : Will a downloaded version ever change ?
For example if 9.10 has broken networking - if I delay say 3 months , will a downnloaded 9.10 have this fixed ? What happens to a user if a given release has broken networking ?
What does Canonical expect a user to do next ? If networking is OK , then will updates gradually make the release more stable ?
Or will it just bring in software that may or may not be OK ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be useful if Canonical would explain how releases work:Will a downloaded version ever change?
For example if 9.10 has broken networking - if I delay say 3 months, will a downnloaded 9.10 have this fixed?What happens to a user if a given release has broken networking?
What does Canonical expect a user to do next?If networking is OK, then will updates gradually make the release more stable?
Or will it just bring in software that may or may not be OK?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974974</id>
	<title>Some very basic stuff STOPPED working</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1257022740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sound control panel I had before upgrading showed me all my input/output in line and with a slider for the volume, and a mute button. After the upgrade it show me some brain dead interface I can't switch on all sound from it. i had to download some additional gnome alsa volume control panel. Worst : the default interface does not allow me to set volume for some of the stuff gnome alsa shows me (I think it is PCE for example, I did not find an equivalent in that control volume default program) *BUT* it is RESET TO MUTE after every reboot. That is very very frustrating and i can imagine a user giving up on Ubuntu after not finding out why they don't hear a sound from Ubuntu. I nearly gave up and wanted to go back to the previous version, until I thought of trying in the package manager to find a volume controller panel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sound control panel I had before upgrading showed me all my input/output in line and with a slider for the volume , and a mute button .
After the upgrade it show me some brain dead interface I ca n't switch on all sound from it .
i had to download some additional gnome alsa volume control panel .
Worst : the default interface does not allow me to set volume for some of the stuff gnome alsa shows me ( I think it is PCE for example , I did not find an equivalent in that control volume default program ) * BUT * it is RESET TO MUTE after every reboot .
That is very very frustrating and i can imagine a user giving up on Ubuntu after not finding out why they do n't hear a sound from Ubuntu .
I nearly gave up and wanted to go back to the previous version , until I thought of trying in the package manager to find a volume controller panel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sound control panel I had before upgrading showed me all my input/output in line and with a slider for the volume, and a mute button.
After the upgrade it show me some brain dead interface I can't switch on all sound from it.
i had to download some additional gnome alsa volume control panel.
Worst : the default interface does not allow me to set volume for some of the stuff gnome alsa shows me (I think it is PCE for example, I did not find an equivalent in that control volume default program) *BUT* it is RESET TO MUTE after every reboot.
That is very very frustrating and i can imagine a user giving up on Ubuntu after not finding out why they don't hear a sound from Ubuntu.
I nearly gave up and wanted to go back to the previous version, until I thought of trying in the package manager to find a volume controller panel.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970706</id>
	<title>Gentoo</title>
	<author>Ironix</author>
	<datestamp>1257251520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my home server from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. After the update completed and I rebooted, the system happily announced that I was now running Xubuntu and then refused to boot until I remove the "biosize=16" option for my XFS drives in fstab.</p><p>Once the system did boot up, it wouldn't start X, but instead preferred to sit at a swiftly flickering console that could cause seizures.</p><p>I think I'll switch back to Gentoo now. =D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my home server from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 .
After the update completed and I rebooted , the system happily announced that I was now running Xubuntu and then refused to boot until I remove the " biosize = 16 " option for my XFS drives in fstab.Once the system did boot up , it would n't start X , but instead preferred to sit at a swiftly flickering console that could cause seizures.I think I 'll switch back to Gentoo now .
= D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my home server from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10.
After the update completed and I rebooted, the system happily announced that I was now running Xubuntu and then refused to boot until I remove the "biosize=16" option for my XFS drives in fstab.Once the system did boot up, it wouldn't start X, but instead preferred to sit at a swiftly flickering console that could cause seizures.I think I'll switch back to Gentoo now.
=D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973826</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257271680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Netscape</p></div><p>I am 12 and what is this?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NetscapeI am 12 and what is this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NetscapeI am 12 and what is this?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970384</id>
	<title>No problems with final</title>
	<author>CarlHall</author>
	<datestamp>1257250380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I usually jump on Ubuntu releases well before they are released.  This round of alphas &amp; betas was a little tough to get through (X won't start, can't find peripherals) but before going final and since then, everything has been working nicely on a couple of different machines.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually jump on Ubuntu releases well before they are released .
This round of alphas &amp; betas was a little tough to get through ( X wo n't start , ca n't find peripherals ) but before going final and since then , everything has been working nicely on a couple of different machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually jump on Ubuntu releases well before they are released.
This round of alphas &amp; betas was a little tough to get through (X won't start, can't find peripherals) but before going final and since then, everything has been working nicely on a couple of different machines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970064</id>
	<title>Works fine for me</title>
	<author>WahCheng</author>
	<datestamp>1257249360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was running the previous version on several computers, including Dell E4300 &amp; E4200 laptops and a couple desktops.
The upgrade just ran.
The only gripe I have is when I right click on the desktop there is only the 'Log Out' option - reboot &amp; shutdown are gone.
No doubt this will be resolved in time.
Other than that, everything works just fine</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was running the previous version on several computers , including Dell E4300 &amp; E4200 laptops and a couple desktops .
The upgrade just ran .
The only gripe I have is when I right click on the desktop there is only the 'Log Out ' option - reboot &amp; shutdown are gone .
No doubt this will be resolved in time .
Other than that , everything works just fine</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was running the previous version on several computers, including Dell E4300 &amp; E4200 laptops and a couple desktops.
The upgrade just ran.
The only gripe I have is when I right click on the desktop there is only the 'Log Out' option - reboot &amp; shutdown are gone.
No doubt this will be resolved in time.
Other than that, everything works just fine</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970530</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>SiChemist</author>
	<datestamp>1257250920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done three upgrades (from Kubuntu Jaunty).  Two went flawlessly, and the third had the "old kernel" problem. (I did leave it installing overnight so it might have had problems that I didn't see.)  I did a clean install on that machine and it's working perfectly now too.</p><p>So far, I really like Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done three upgrades ( from Kubuntu Jaunty ) .
Two went flawlessly , and the third had the " old kernel " problem .
( I did leave it installing overnight so it might have had problems that I did n't see .
) I did a clean install on that machine and it 's working perfectly now too.So far , I really like Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done three upgrades (from Kubuntu Jaunty).
Two went flawlessly, and the third had the "old kernel" problem.
(I did leave it installing overnight so it might have had problems that I didn't see.
)  I did a clean install on that machine and it's working perfectly now too.So far, I really like Karmic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973264</id>
	<title>Re:All right, except for GRUB2</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1257267540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What GRUB2 left me wondering, like many other 9.10 installers, was why the fuck is it so slow to boot now?! stuck on the "GRUB loading" prompt for a long time before bringing up the boot menu. It turns out to be an acknowledged GRUB2 bug when booting to a different hard drive than the one the MBR is on. I've got what must be a common setup with Windows on my 1st drive and Linux on the 2nd. What's sad it that the bug has been known for a couple of months now. It was enough to make me revert to 9.04 for now since it seems indicative of a lack of testing.</p><p>OTOH, I also did a 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade via "System Update" in a VirtualBox VM, and that went flawlessly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What GRUB2 left me wondering , like many other 9.10 installers , was why the fuck is it so slow to boot now ? !
stuck on the " GRUB loading " prompt for a long time before bringing up the boot menu .
It turns out to be an acknowledged GRUB2 bug when booting to a different hard drive than the one the MBR is on .
I 've got what must be a common setup with Windows on my 1st drive and Linux on the 2nd .
What 's sad it that the bug has been known for a couple of months now .
It was enough to make me revert to 9.04 for now since it seems indicative of a lack of testing.OTOH , I also did a 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade via " System Update " in a VirtualBox VM , and that went flawlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What GRUB2 left me wondering, like many other 9.10 installers, was why the fuck is it so slow to boot now?!
stuck on the "GRUB loading" prompt for a long time before bringing up the boot menu.
It turns out to be an acknowledged GRUB2 bug when booting to a different hard drive than the one the MBR is on.
I've got what must be a common setup with Windows on my 1st drive and Linux on the 2nd.
What's sad it that the bug has been known for a couple of months now.
It was enough to make me revert to 9.04 for now since it seems indicative of a lack of testing.OTOH, I also did a 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade via "System Update" in a VirtualBox VM, and that went flawlessly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978450</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1257005580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what you call working flawlessly?  That there was <i>a</i> bug?  In the unstable branch?<br> <br>

Clearly 2014 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what you call working flawlessly ?
That there was a bug ?
In the unstable branch ?
Clearly 2014 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you call working flawlessly?
That there was a bug?
In the unstable branch?
Clearly 2014 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973134</id>
	<title>Re:netbook remix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use karmic Koala on a Lenovo 10 and it is great. First I used 9.04 Netbook-Remix, but then also installed ordinary GNOME (I am more used to it, and one can do more). I jumped to Alpha5 of 9.10 (and all the updates) and use it daily.<br>Clearly my OS of choice for this machine...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use karmic Koala on a Lenovo 10 and it is great .
First I used 9.04 Netbook-Remix , but then also installed ordinary GNOME ( I am more used to it , and one can do more ) .
I jumped to Alpha5 of 9.10 ( and all the updates ) and use it daily.Clearly my OS of choice for this machine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use karmic Koala on a Lenovo 10 and it is great.
First I used 9.04 Netbook-Remix, but then also installed ordinary GNOME (I am more used to it, and one can do more).
I jumped to Alpha5 of 9.10 (and all the updates) and use it daily.Clearly my OS of choice for this machine...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969600</id>
	<title>Wifi works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found that the Edimax WiFi card finally survives sleep mode without breaking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found that the Edimax WiFi card finally survives sleep mode without breaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found that the Edimax WiFi card finally survives sleep mode without breaking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969946</id>
	<title>Update failed</title>
	<author>Budha\_man\_99</author>
	<datestamp>1257249060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried to update from 9.4 to 9.10 but after 5 hours the update stopped responding, in fact the whole PC froze. I had to hard boot the PC, and the update was not complete the entire install was hosed. Luckily this was just a test system and I didn't lose any thing important, but if it was my main system I would have been rather upset. I have gotten into the habit of backing up all of my personal files to a removable drive when I do these upgrades just in case</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to update from 9.4 to 9.10 but after 5 hours the update stopped responding , in fact the whole PC froze .
I had to hard boot the PC , and the update was not complete the entire install was hosed .
Luckily this was just a test system and I did n't lose any thing important , but if it was my main system I would have been rather upset .
I have gotten into the habit of backing up all of my personal files to a removable drive when I do these upgrades just in case</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to update from 9.4 to 9.10 but after 5 hours the update stopped responding, in fact the whole PC froze.
I had to hard boot the PC, and the update was not complete the entire install was hosed.
Luckily this was just a test system and I didn't lose any thing important, but if it was my main system I would have been rather upset.
I have gotten into the habit of backing up all of my personal files to a removable drive when I do these upgrades just in case</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977396</id>
	<title>No problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My upgrade went seamlessly. I'm not thrashing it though - I just use it as a desktop PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My upgrade went seamlessly .
I 'm not thrashing it though - I just use it as a desktop PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My upgrade went seamlessly.
I'm not thrashing it though - I just use it as a desktop PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29983348</id>
	<title>Re:Only Use LTS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but remember.   Windows 7 was a ground up change  9.04 to 9.10 is more the same than it is different.  shorter tiime interval means less can change.  Then again.  the problems in Karmic still are less than in 7.  My  Karmic upgrades are all  working.  (about 15 so far) the Windows division has yet to complete a working upgrade to 7 (they have given up upgrades and gone to wipe and install.)   Give it a week and Karmic will be 100\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... can you say the same for Win7?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but remember .
Windows 7 was a ground up change 9.04 to 9.10 is more the same than it is different .
shorter tiime interval means less can change .
Then again .
the problems in Karmic still are less than in 7 .
My Karmic upgrades are all working .
( about 15 so far ) the Windows division has yet to complete a working upgrade to 7 ( they have given up upgrades and gone to wipe and install .
) Give it a week and Karmic will be 100 \ % .... can you say the same for Win7 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but remember.
Windows 7 was a ground up change  9.04 to 9.10 is more the same than it is different.
shorter tiime interval means less can change.
Then again.
the problems in Karmic still are less than in 7.
My  Karmic upgrades are all  working.
(about 15 so far) the Windows division has yet to complete a working upgrade to 7 (they have given up upgrades and gone to wipe and install.
)   Give it a week and Karmic will be 100\% .... can you say the same for Win7?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970098</id>
	<title>Actually</title>
	<author>Windwraith</author>
	<datestamp>1257249480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It worked really well for me. I got it on day 2 and except for a bothersome Grub2 error (error 15!) that took one hour to fix (although it will now take a long time to get to load the actual OS...like 6-7 seconds before continuing), it was pretty good.<br>Of course my first action once booted was to remove Pulseaudio (those 64mb sink files it generates in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/shm are TRUE memory hogs), getting a KDE4 system running (I am desktop agnostic but I am more used to plasma as desktop now due to some plasmoids), ensuring Synaptic was still around (The app center is...not too clear as to what dependences packages have), Ubuntu Tweak, adding repositories, compiling some SVN versions (zdoom, geany, audacious2 and some plasmoids), and I got my system running in about one evening. I don't notice anything different or weird, so I don't really understand the complaints. Maybe because I use KDE4 (not Kubuntu though) instead of the defaults? (this is a genuine question, I am curious)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It worked really well for me .
I got it on day 2 and except for a bothersome Grub2 error ( error 15 !
) that took one hour to fix ( although it will now take a long time to get to load the actual OS...like 6-7 seconds before continuing ) , it was pretty good.Of course my first action once booted was to remove Pulseaudio ( those 64mb sink files it generates in /dev/shm are TRUE memory hogs ) , getting a KDE4 system running ( I am desktop agnostic but I am more used to plasma as desktop now due to some plasmoids ) , ensuring Synaptic was still around ( The app center is...not too clear as to what dependences packages have ) , Ubuntu Tweak , adding repositories , compiling some SVN versions ( zdoom , geany , audacious2 and some plasmoids ) , and I got my system running in about one evening .
I do n't notice anything different or weird , so I do n't really understand the complaints .
Maybe because I use KDE4 ( not Kubuntu though ) instead of the defaults ?
( this is a genuine question , I am curious )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It worked really well for me.
I got it on day 2 and except for a bothersome Grub2 error (error 15!
) that took one hour to fix (although it will now take a long time to get to load the actual OS...like 6-7 seconds before continuing), it was pretty good.Of course my first action once booted was to remove Pulseaudio (those 64mb sink files it generates in /dev/shm are TRUE memory hogs), getting a KDE4 system running (I am desktop agnostic but I am more used to plasma as desktop now due to some plasmoids), ensuring Synaptic was still around (The app center is...not too clear as to what dependences packages have), Ubuntu Tweak, adding repositories, compiling some SVN versions (zdoom, geany, audacious2 and some plasmoids), and I got my system running in about one evening.
I don't notice anything different or weird, so I don't really understand the complaints.
Maybe because I use KDE4 (not Kubuntu though) instead of the defaults?
(this is a genuine question, I am curious)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970564</id>
	<title>Re:Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your menus/text is too big, have you tried manually setting the DPI for your fonts?<br>I've had experience where the autodetection had issues.<br>(It's definitely still a bug, but at least it's a fixable one.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your menus/text is too big , have you tried manually setting the DPI for your fonts ? I 've had experience where the autodetection had issues .
( It 's definitely still a bug , but at least it 's a fixable one .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your menus/text is too big, have you tried manually setting the DPI for your fonts?I've had experience where the autodetection had issues.
(It's definitely still a bug, but at least it's a fixable one.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969920</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971532</id>
	<title>I upgraded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded... from Windows Xp to Windows 7, and didn't have any trouble whatsoever! Omigosh.</p><p>Now watch this post disappear because Windows is teh evil and nothing could ever beat Linux! What I want to know though is: Why do you put up with it? I don't understand the mindset that says "I'm going to go through all the trouble of setting up Linux, making sure all my hardware will work with it, deciding which release to get, living in fear of any sort of update breaking everything I have, not being able to run a ton of commercial software" and ect.</p><p>Don't give me the BS answers about viruses and whatnot either. If you really understand computers you know that a good, free antivirus will keep any windows machine almost entirely clean, you might have to run spybot or something once a year. Don't give me the "it's free" thing either, I got Windows 7 for $30 bucks, legally and without any trouble at all. Obviously there has to be some perceived benefit to you, and I'd like to know what that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded... from Windows Xp to Windows 7 , and did n't have any trouble whatsoever !
Omigosh.Now watch this post disappear because Windows is teh evil and nothing could ever beat Linux !
What I want to know though is : Why do you put up with it ?
I do n't understand the mindset that says " I 'm going to go through all the trouble of setting up Linux , making sure all my hardware will work with it , deciding which release to get , living in fear of any sort of update breaking everything I have , not being able to run a ton of commercial software " and ect.Do n't give me the BS answers about viruses and whatnot either .
If you really understand computers you know that a good , free antivirus will keep any windows machine almost entirely clean , you might have to run spybot or something once a year .
Do n't give me the " it 's free " thing either , I got Windows 7 for $ 30 bucks , legally and without any trouble at all .
Obviously there has to be some perceived benefit to you , and I 'd like to know what that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded... from Windows Xp to Windows 7, and didn't have any trouble whatsoever!
Omigosh.Now watch this post disappear because Windows is teh evil and nothing could ever beat Linux!
What I want to know though is: Why do you put up with it?
I don't understand the mindset that says "I'm going to go through all the trouble of setting up Linux, making sure all my hardware will work with it, deciding which release to get, living in fear of any sort of update breaking everything I have, not being able to run a ton of commercial software" and ect.Don't give me the BS answers about viruses and whatnot either.
If you really understand computers you know that a good, free antivirus will keep any windows machine almost entirely clean, you might have to run spybot or something once a year.
Don't give me the "it's free" thing either, I got Windows 7 for $30 bucks, legally and without any trouble at all.
Obviously there has to be some perceived benefit to you, and I'd like to know what that is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969764</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Karmic since beta 1, which to me means I'm an "early adopter", and I haven't had any real problems. My volume bar doesn't work perfectly but thats the only bug I've found. Encryption works perfectly, virtualbox and chromium work fine, flash and java are working fine (in x86\_64! horray!), watching movies from a remote server works fine with vlc, and that was all true with an upgrade from Jaunty. I finally did a full reinstall to get grub2 and full disk encryption, and its has an even faster boot. It appears that my computer (Dell Inspiron E1505) isn't on the list of bad upgrades though, so who knows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Karmic since beta 1 , which to me means I 'm an " early adopter " , and I have n't had any real problems .
My volume bar does n't work perfectly but thats the only bug I 've found .
Encryption works perfectly , virtualbox and chromium work fine , flash and java are working fine ( in x86 \ _64 !
horray ! ) , watching movies from a remote server works fine with vlc , and that was all true with an upgrade from Jaunty .
I finally did a full reinstall to get grub2 and full disk encryption , and its has an even faster boot .
It appears that my computer ( Dell Inspiron E1505 ) is n't on the list of bad upgrades though , so who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Karmic since beta 1, which to me means I'm an "early adopter", and I haven't had any real problems.
My volume bar doesn't work perfectly but thats the only bug I've found.
Encryption works perfectly, virtualbox and chromium work fine, flash and java are working fine (in x86\_64!
horray!), watching movies from a remote server works fine with vlc, and that was all true with an upgrade from Jaunty.
I finally did a full reinstall to get grub2 and full disk encryption, and its has an even faster boot.
It appears that my computer (Dell Inspiron E1505) isn't on the list of bad upgrades though, so who knows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969708</id>
	<title>Pretty smooth</title>
	<author>SkankinMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257248280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded my wife's system - which is on a Japanese laptop and everything seems to have gone fairly smoothly.  I was concerned when it asked me for the keyboard settings, but it seems to have respected my original settings nonetheless.  Boot times seem a bit nicer and she hasn't complained of any stability issues.

It's definitely gone a lot smoother than past upgrades which were extremely unstable on her system, X often crashing, windows becoming unresponsive, or the arty completely bombing out for no reason.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my wife 's system - which is on a Japanese laptop and everything seems to have gone fairly smoothly .
I was concerned when it asked me for the keyboard settings , but it seems to have respected my original settings nonetheless .
Boot times seem a bit nicer and she has n't complained of any stability issues .
It 's definitely gone a lot smoother than past upgrades which were extremely unstable on her system , X often crashing , windows becoming unresponsive , or the arty completely bombing out for no reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my wife's system - which is on a Japanese laptop and everything seems to have gone fairly smoothly.
I was concerned when it asked me for the keyboard settings, but it seems to have respected my original settings nonetheless.
Boot times seem a bit nicer and she hasn't complained of any stability issues.
It's definitely gone a lot smoother than past upgrades which were extremely unstable on her system, X often crashing, windows becoming unresponsive, or the arty completely bombing out for no reason.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969684</id>
	<title>netbook remix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was looking to replace the default 8.04 in my dell mini 9 with the 9.10 netbook remix. I found out that the desktop-switcher is not included in the distro. So I need to stick with the default single windows window manager, instead of the full GNOME. Why you may ask? Well, the desktop-switcher application was too buggy on release time, and they decided to <b>remove</b> it from the distro instead of fixing it. So nobody can complain and more important, there is nothing to be fixed if it's not there in first place. I'll stick to the old but reliable 8.04, for the time being.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was looking to replace the default 8.04 in my dell mini 9 with the 9.10 netbook remix .
I found out that the desktop-switcher is not included in the distro .
So I need to stick with the default single windows window manager , instead of the full GNOME .
Why you may ask ?
Well , the desktop-switcher application was too buggy on release time , and they decided to remove it from the distro instead of fixing it .
So nobody can complain and more important , there is nothing to be fixed if it 's not there in first place .
I 'll stick to the old but reliable 8.04 , for the time being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was looking to replace the default 8.04 in my dell mini 9 with the 9.10 netbook remix.
I found out that the desktop-switcher is not included in the distro.
So I need to stick with the default single windows window manager, instead of the full GNOME.
Why you may ask?
Well, the desktop-switcher application was too buggy on release time, and they decided to remove it from the distro instead of fixing it.
So nobody can complain and more important, there is nothing to be fixed if it's not there in first place.
I'll stick to the old but reliable 8.04, for the time being.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972426</id>
	<title>Its great</title>
	<author>kregg</author>
	<datestamp>1257260580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am running it on my laptop and have no problems.

I am pretty sure half of the problems people have with Linux in general is hardware drivers which is understandable because more hardware is made for Windows. Until more hardware is supported in Linux I think we will continue to see wireless and video driver issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am running it on my laptop and have no problems .
I am pretty sure half of the problems people have with Linux in general is hardware drivers which is understandable because more hardware is made for Windows .
Until more hardware is supported in Linux I think we will continue to see wireless and video driver issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am running it on my laptop and have no problems.
I am pretty sure half of the problems people have with Linux in general is hardware drivers which is understandable because more hardware is made for Windows.
Until more hardware is supported in Linux I think we will continue to see wireless and video driver issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974100</id>
	<title>karmic koala on two AMD hand built machines</title>
	<author>rocksteady\_racer</author>
	<datestamp>1257273360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't had many problems with Karmic Koala suprisingly.  My processor is an AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 5200+ (2.61Ghz). I am running the 64bit edition of the desktop version.  I upgraded from 9.04 8 days before the release and was having kernel problems complaining about Non-ECC RAM on my Gigabyte motherboard.  But that's been fixed, or hasn't occured since the few patches after the release.   Pulse-audio (sound blaster audigy live pci sound card) was crashing randomly but that's seemed to be fixed with the new patches also.  I'm running SLIed Nvidia 7900 GS video cards with the newest 190 release of the Nvidia Driver with Coolbits enabled (one card has a slightly faster clock/256mb of vram and the other has 512 mb vram).  The video processing is excellent and haven't had any problems with that.  The boot up is faster and the system runs flawlessly except (I think because I only have a 1gb of 667 DDR2 ram) when I load too many pages on firefox the system grays out and I have to wait a while to watch multiple videos at the same time.  The other thing I have noticed which is quite annoying is that my hard drive transfers to NTFS and to SD Cards and sometimes even with the same linux partition takes forever compared to the older versions. I have no idea why this is since I have a 500GB SATA harddrive with linux running on a 100gb partition. Also USB connections seem to go on and off randomly (HTC T-mobile G1 especially). After I had installed it on my main computer, i installed it on my media pc (connected to my living room tv). I originally avoided upgrading my slower pc to the newer ubuntu (was still 8.04) versions because I had a Radeon 9800 and ATI stopped producing drivers.  I really only needed it for media purposes. Surpisingly the new kernel and 9.10 on it, it actually performs better with the new kernel included "radeon" driver.  It only has 1.5gb of ram  and is running an Athlon XP 1.8 Ghz core and it works perfectly and boots way faster. I did an upgrade even though I was going to install ext4 and reformat the harddrive but I haven't got around to that yet. For some reason, I haven't had any of the hard drive problems with this desktop with the older ide drive.  I even upgraded this while connected via WIFI - took a while but worked perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had many problems with Karmic Koala suprisingly .
My processor is an AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 5200 + ( 2.61Ghz ) .
I am running the 64bit edition of the desktop version .
I upgraded from 9.04 8 days before the release and was having kernel problems complaining about Non-ECC RAM on my Gigabyte motherboard .
But that 's been fixed , or has n't occured since the few patches after the release .
Pulse-audio ( sound blaster audigy live pci sound card ) was crashing randomly but that 's seemed to be fixed with the new patches also .
I 'm running SLIed Nvidia 7900 GS video cards with the newest 190 release of the Nvidia Driver with Coolbits enabled ( one card has a slightly faster clock/256mb of vram and the other has 512 mb vram ) .
The video processing is excellent and have n't had any problems with that .
The boot up is faster and the system runs flawlessly except ( I think because I only have a 1gb of 667 DDR2 ram ) when I load too many pages on firefox the system grays out and I have to wait a while to watch multiple videos at the same time .
The other thing I have noticed which is quite annoying is that my hard drive transfers to NTFS and to SD Cards and sometimes even with the same linux partition takes forever compared to the older versions .
I have no idea why this is since I have a 500GB SATA harddrive with linux running on a 100gb partition .
Also USB connections seem to go on and off randomly ( HTC T-mobile G1 especially ) .
After I had installed it on my main computer , i installed it on my media pc ( connected to my living room tv ) .
I originally avoided upgrading my slower pc to the newer ubuntu ( was still 8.04 ) versions because I had a Radeon 9800 and ATI stopped producing drivers .
I really only needed it for media purposes .
Surpisingly the new kernel and 9.10 on it , it actually performs better with the new kernel included " radeon " driver .
It only has 1.5gb of ram and is running an Athlon XP 1.8 Ghz core and it works perfectly and boots way faster .
I did an upgrade even though I was going to install ext4 and reformat the harddrive but I have n't got around to that yet .
For some reason , I have n't had any of the hard drive problems with this desktop with the older ide drive .
I even upgraded this while connected via WIFI - took a while but worked perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had many problems with Karmic Koala suprisingly.
My processor is an AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual Core 5200+ (2.61Ghz).
I am running the 64bit edition of the desktop version.
I upgraded from 9.04 8 days before the release and was having kernel problems complaining about Non-ECC RAM on my Gigabyte motherboard.
But that's been fixed, or hasn't occured since the few patches after the release.
Pulse-audio (sound blaster audigy live pci sound card) was crashing randomly but that's seemed to be fixed with the new patches also.
I'm running SLIed Nvidia 7900 GS video cards with the newest 190 release of the Nvidia Driver with Coolbits enabled (one card has a slightly faster clock/256mb of vram and the other has 512 mb vram).
The video processing is excellent and haven't had any problems with that.
The boot up is faster and the system runs flawlessly except (I think because I only have a 1gb of 667 DDR2 ram) when I load too many pages on firefox the system grays out and I have to wait a while to watch multiple videos at the same time.
The other thing I have noticed which is quite annoying is that my hard drive transfers to NTFS and to SD Cards and sometimes even with the same linux partition takes forever compared to the older versions.
I have no idea why this is since I have a 500GB SATA harddrive with linux running on a 100gb partition.
Also USB connections seem to go on and off randomly (HTC T-mobile G1 especially).
After I had installed it on my main computer, i installed it on my media pc (connected to my living room tv).
I originally avoided upgrading my slower pc to the newer ubuntu (was still 8.04) versions because I had a Radeon 9800 and ATI stopped producing drivers.
I really only needed it for media purposes.
Surpisingly the new kernel and 9.10 on it, it actually performs better with the new kernel included "radeon" driver.
It only has 1.5gb of ram  and is running an Athlon XP 1.8 Ghz core and it works perfectly and boots way faster.
I did an upgrade even though I was going to install ext4 and reformat the harddrive but I haven't got around to that yet.
For some reason, I haven't had any of the hard drive problems with this desktop with the older ide drive.
I even upgraded this while connected via WIFI - took a while but worked perfectly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979348</id>
	<title>Flawless so far</title>
	<author>probesport</author>
	<datestamp>1257008400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been loving 9.10, no issues here at all - in fact I have been happier with this release than any others before it, I have convinced a few friends to make the switch based on 9.10 alone.

Also the gaming seems to work better as well, Counter-Strike Source has been excellent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been loving 9.10 , no issues here at all - in fact I have been happier with this release than any others before it , I have convinced a few friends to make the switch based on 9.10 alone .
Also the gaming seems to work better as well , Counter-Strike Source has been excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been loving 9.10, no issues here at all - in fact I have been happier with this release than any others before it, I have convinced a few friends to make the switch based on 9.10 alone.
Also the gaming seems to work better as well, Counter-Strike Source has been excellent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970456</id>
	<title>Bare system w/ LVM smooth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a pretty bare system that I mainly use as a file server and firewall so conflicts during an upgrade should be very minimal.  The only distinguishing thing I have is 2TB on LVM.</p><p>Upgrade from 9.04 took about 1 hour.  Rebooted.  Everything works as expected.  No errors or bugs to report.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a pretty bare system that I mainly use as a file server and firewall so conflicts during an upgrade should be very minimal .
The only distinguishing thing I have is 2TB on LVM.Upgrade from 9.04 took about 1 hour .
Rebooted. Everything works as expected .
No errors or bugs to report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a pretty bare system that I mainly use as a file server and firewall so conflicts during an upgrade should be very minimal.
The only distinguishing thing I have is 2TB on LVM.Upgrade from 9.04 took about 1 hour.
Rebooted.  Everything works as expected.
No errors or bugs to report.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972036</id>
	<title>Re:I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>Deanalator</author>
	<datestamp>1257257820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Installed 8.10 last night.  So far I have found that my macbook won't suspend, and brightness controls are completely broken.  Also all attempts to install full disk crypto ended up with botched grub installs that failed to boot.  The frustrating thing is that this all worked out of the box 2 years ago, so I really don't know what the problem is.</p><p>I also find it very annoying that they switched the middle and right click on the touchpad, and in 9.04 they disabled update notifications in the tray (huge security risk imo).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Installed 8.10 last night .
So far I have found that my macbook wo n't suspend , and brightness controls are completely broken .
Also all attempts to install full disk crypto ended up with botched grub installs that failed to boot .
The frustrating thing is that this all worked out of the box 2 years ago , so I really do n't know what the problem is.I also find it very annoying that they switched the middle and right click on the touchpad , and in 9.04 they disabled update notifications in the tray ( huge security risk imo ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Installed 8.10 last night.
So far I have found that my macbook won't suspend, and brightness controls are completely broken.
Also all attempts to install full disk crypto ended up with botched grub installs that failed to boot.
The frustrating thing is that this all worked out of the box 2 years ago, so I really don't know what the problem is.I also find it very annoying that they switched the middle and right click on the touchpad, and in 9.04 they disabled update notifications in the tray (huge security risk imo).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969890</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971056</id>
	<title>Big mistake...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded last night, and after reinstalling GRUB twice, running update-grub, losing an NTFS partition (and having to reformat it)...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...I can boot into Ubuntu and Windows again, but my graphics card and sound card still don't work...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded last night , and after reinstalling GRUB twice , running update-grub , losing an NTFS partition ( and having to reformat it ) ... ...I can boot into Ubuntu and Windows again , but my graphics card and sound card still do n't work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded last night, and after reinstalling GRUB twice, running update-grub, losing an NTFS partition (and having to reformat it)... ...I can boot into Ubuntu and Windows again, but my graphics card and sound card still don't work...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970080</id>
	<title>No Problems here</title>
	<author>Zathras</author>
	<datestamp>1257249420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zathras upgrade one PC to Windows 7<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... very bad<br>upgrade another PC with Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... very good<br>Never use Windows 7.<br>Ubuntu 9.10 is the one.<br>Zathras like Ubuntu 9.10 very much because it works!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zathras upgrade one PC to Windows 7 ... very badupgrade another PC with Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 ... very goodNever use Windows 7.Ubuntu 9.10 is the one.Zathras like Ubuntu 9.10 very much because it works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zathras upgrade one PC to Windows 7 ... very badupgrade another PC with Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 ... very goodNever use Windows 7.Ubuntu 9.10 is the one.Zathras like Ubuntu 9.10 very much because it works!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974446</id>
	<title>My first Ubuntu box</title>
	<author>eyrieowl</author>
	<datestamp>1257276600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is a core i7 i just built out with Karmic as the OS.  No dual-boot, going Ubuntu whole hog with XP in a VirtualBox to handle software I can't do without.  It's been fairly painless thus far.  My biggest issue is that I pulled the internal flash card reader from my old PC (SD, XD, CF, etc) and put it in the new one.  Ubuntu no like off-brand card reader, no sir.  After starting up with that device, Ubuntu gave me a very helpful "unable to enumerate USB device on port 3" in dmesg 2x per second.  Indefinitely.  Which really makes dmesg pretty useless.  For the time being, the device is still in the box but unplugged from the motherboard.  I'd love to find a solution, I've spent a while searching bug reports (and adding my voice to a couple), but the truth is that what I learned is that the USB support is still somewhat less robust than XP.  Which is unfortunate.  It's exactly those sorts of issues which make the appeal to the masses difficult.  There is NO WAY most of the people I know would want to or know how to go searching for the solution (btw, another distro suggested switching the order of uhci and ehci, still looking to see where ubuntu has that configuration)...which makes me a little sad, I'd really like to see free OS's predominate, but the peripheral support still needs help.  I'm okay, I'll either find a config to play with or I'll give up and probably get a new card reader than people vouche works, but it'd be nice if the reader which worked properly and well under XP didn't require heroics to work in Ubuntu.  Ubuntu is better in so many other ways, it's just disappointing to see where it still has catching up to do.  FWIW, I fully understand that the USB device I've got probably is slightly non-standard or something.  I get that, but the thing is, in the real world, people have devices like that, and I think the real-world OS needs to do more than throw its hands up with dealing with slightly non-standard equipment and make a best effort to use it as is.  It's like...Firefox, say.  It is standards compliant, but that doesn't mean it switches to showing you raw HTML if the page doesn't comply...it makes a best effort to show you something useful.  ESPECIALLY for peripherals, Ubuntu, and Linux broadly, need to do the same.

Oh, there was one other issue.  My Gnome (I think), crashed, the screen got filled with a bunch of random blocks of color, things stopped responding (except the blocks would shift a bit when I moved the mouse around), and it logged me out.  The login screen was fine, and I logged back in and things were back to normal.  I was annoyed to have the crash, but I was pleased that it did handle it without requiring a reset or reboot.  So, another bug, but at least a bug that was handled better than windows might have done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>is a core i7 i just built out with Karmic as the OS .
No dual-boot , going Ubuntu whole hog with XP in a VirtualBox to handle software I ca n't do without .
It 's been fairly painless thus far .
My biggest issue is that I pulled the internal flash card reader from my old PC ( SD , XD , CF , etc ) and put it in the new one .
Ubuntu no like off-brand card reader , no sir .
After starting up with that device , Ubuntu gave me a very helpful " unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 " in dmesg 2x per second .
Indefinitely. Which really makes dmesg pretty useless .
For the time being , the device is still in the box but unplugged from the motherboard .
I 'd love to find a solution , I 've spent a while searching bug reports ( and adding my voice to a couple ) , but the truth is that what I learned is that the USB support is still somewhat less robust than XP .
Which is unfortunate .
It 's exactly those sorts of issues which make the appeal to the masses difficult .
There is NO WAY most of the people I know would want to or know how to go searching for the solution ( btw , another distro suggested switching the order of uhci and ehci , still looking to see where ubuntu has that configuration ) ...which makes me a little sad , I 'd really like to see free OS 's predominate , but the peripheral support still needs help .
I 'm okay , I 'll either find a config to play with or I 'll give up and probably get a new card reader than people vouche works , but it 'd be nice if the reader which worked properly and well under XP did n't require heroics to work in Ubuntu .
Ubuntu is better in so many other ways , it 's just disappointing to see where it still has catching up to do .
FWIW , I fully understand that the USB device I 've got probably is slightly non-standard or something .
I get that , but the thing is , in the real world , people have devices like that , and I think the real-world OS needs to do more than throw its hands up with dealing with slightly non-standard equipment and make a best effort to use it as is .
It 's like...Firefox , say .
It is standards compliant , but that does n't mean it switches to showing you raw HTML if the page does n't comply...it makes a best effort to show you something useful .
ESPECIALLY for peripherals , Ubuntu , and Linux broadly , need to do the same .
Oh , there was one other issue .
My Gnome ( I think ) , crashed , the screen got filled with a bunch of random blocks of color , things stopped responding ( except the blocks would shift a bit when I moved the mouse around ) , and it logged me out .
The login screen was fine , and I logged back in and things were back to normal .
I was annoyed to have the crash , but I was pleased that it did handle it without requiring a reset or reboot .
So , another bug , but at least a bug that was handled better than windows might have done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a core i7 i just built out with Karmic as the OS.
No dual-boot, going Ubuntu whole hog with XP in a VirtualBox to handle software I can't do without.
It's been fairly painless thus far.
My biggest issue is that I pulled the internal flash card reader from my old PC (SD, XD, CF, etc) and put it in the new one.
Ubuntu no like off-brand card reader, no sir.
After starting up with that device, Ubuntu gave me a very helpful "unable to enumerate USB device on port 3" in dmesg 2x per second.
Indefinitely.  Which really makes dmesg pretty useless.
For the time being, the device is still in the box but unplugged from the motherboard.
I'd love to find a solution, I've spent a while searching bug reports (and adding my voice to a couple), but the truth is that what I learned is that the USB support is still somewhat less robust than XP.
Which is unfortunate.
It's exactly those sorts of issues which make the appeal to the masses difficult.
There is NO WAY most of the people I know would want to or know how to go searching for the solution (btw, another distro suggested switching the order of uhci and ehci, still looking to see where ubuntu has that configuration)...which makes me a little sad, I'd really like to see free OS's predominate, but the peripheral support still needs help.
I'm okay, I'll either find a config to play with or I'll give up and probably get a new card reader than people vouche works, but it'd be nice if the reader which worked properly and well under XP didn't require heroics to work in Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is better in so many other ways, it's just disappointing to see where it still has catching up to do.
FWIW, I fully understand that the USB device I've got probably is slightly non-standard or something.
I get that, but the thing is, in the real world, people have devices like that, and I think the real-world OS needs to do more than throw its hands up with dealing with slightly non-standard equipment and make a best effort to use it as is.
It's like...Firefox, say.
It is standards compliant, but that doesn't mean it switches to showing you raw HTML if the page doesn't comply...it makes a best effort to show you something useful.
ESPECIALLY for peripherals, Ubuntu, and Linux broadly, need to do the same.
Oh, there was one other issue.
My Gnome (I think), crashed, the screen got filled with a bunch of random blocks of color, things stopped responding (except the blocks would shift a bit when I moved the mouse around), and it logged me out.
The login screen was fine, and I logged back in and things were back to normal.
I was annoyed to have the crash, but I was pleased that it did handle it without requiring a reset or reboot.
So, another bug, but at least a bug that was handled better than windows might have done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973448</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257269160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>64bit install?  uninstall the flashplayer-installer and drop the 64bit flash plugin from adobe in the appropriate directory, can't remember which at the moment but it's now working better than ever</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>64bit install ?
uninstall the flashplayer-installer and drop the 64bit flash plugin from adobe in the appropriate directory , ca n't remember which at the moment but it 's now working better than ever</tokentext>
<sentencetext>64bit install?
uninstall the flashplayer-installer and drop the 64bit flash plugin from adobe in the appropriate directory, can't remember which at the moment but it's now working better than ever</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974052</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Wannabe Code Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257272940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Blank and flickering screens: No<br>
Failure to recognize hard drives: No<br>
Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: No<br>
Failure to get encryption running:</p></div></blockquote><p>Okay, well to even the score:<br>
Blank and flickering screens: Yes<br>
Failure to recognize hard drives: Yes<br>
Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Don't really know<br>
Failure to get encryption running: Haven't tried</p><p>I was in the middle of an upgrade of my Compaq Presario R3000 laptop when I saw this article. The upgrade finished and right upon boot my screen started to flicker when the grub text was on the screen. It kind of stayed there doing that for a while and then I saw the small white Ubuntu logo for a little while and then and error about not being able to mount one of my drives. I rebooted with the "-generic" kernel image insead of "-386" and everything seemed to be okay. I then went about removing every single kernel image with "-386" and rebooting seems fine now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blank and flickering screens : No Failure to recognize hard drives : No Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel : No Failure to get encryption running : Okay , well to even the score : Blank and flickering screens : Yes Failure to recognize hard drives : Yes Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel : Do n't really know Failure to get encryption running : Have n't triedI was in the middle of an upgrade of my Compaq Presario R3000 laptop when I saw this article .
The upgrade finished and right upon boot my screen started to flicker when the grub text was on the screen .
It kind of stayed there doing that for a while and then I saw the small white Ubuntu logo for a little while and then and error about not being able to mount one of my drives .
I rebooted with the " -generic " kernel image insead of " -386 " and everything seemed to be okay .
I then went about removing every single kernel image with " -386 " and rebooting seems fine now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blank and flickering screens: No
Failure to recognize hard drives: No
Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: No
Failure to get encryption running:Okay, well to even the score:
Blank and flickering screens: Yes
Failure to recognize hard drives: Yes
Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Don't really know
Failure to get encryption running: Haven't triedI was in the middle of an upgrade of my Compaq Presario R3000 laptop when I saw this article.
The upgrade finished and right upon boot my screen started to flicker when the grub text was on the screen.
It kind of stayed there doing that for a while and then I saw the small white Ubuntu logo for a little while and then and error about not being able to mount one of my drives.
I rebooted with the "-generic" kernel image insead of "-386" and everything seemed to be okay.
I then went about removing every single kernel image with "-386" and rebooting seems fine now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973176</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi works</title>
	<author>sheepweevil</author>
	<datestamp>1257266820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wifi works after sleeping. Microphone boost is in my sound settings now. Eclipse isn't a 3 year old version anymore. Firefox 3.5 by default. OpenOffice 3.1. New Software Center is better than the old Add/Remove programs. Ubuntu one is cool - 2 GB online backup for everyone. This has been the best version of Ubuntu I have used (and I started at Edgy).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi works after sleeping .
Microphone boost is in my sound settings now .
Eclipse is n't a 3 year old version anymore .
Firefox 3.5 by default .
OpenOffice 3.1 .
New Software Center is better than the old Add/Remove programs .
Ubuntu one is cool - 2 GB online backup for everyone .
This has been the best version of Ubuntu I have used ( and I started at Edgy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi works after sleeping.
Microphone boost is in my sound settings now.
Eclipse isn't a 3 year old version anymore.
Firefox 3.5 by default.
OpenOffice 3.1.
New Software Center is better than the old Add/Remove programs.
Ubuntu one is cool - 2 GB online backup for everyone.
This has been the best version of Ubuntu I have used (and I started at Edgy).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975384</id>
	<title>Re:Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interessting, I had no issues with my VirtualBox and XP Pro installed after the upgrade, but I do feel as if the performance is worse than 9.04, at least of VirtualBox.  Do you feel the same?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interessting , I had no issues with my VirtualBox and XP Pro installed after the upgrade , but I do feel as if the performance is worse than 9.04 , at least of VirtualBox .
Do you feel the same ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interessting, I had no issues with my VirtualBox and XP Pro installed after the upgrade, but I do feel as if the performance is worse than 9.04, at least of VirtualBox.
Do you feel the same?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976390</id>
	<title>But that's part of the fun of running Linux!</title>
	<author>dg5</author>
	<datestamp>1256993880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call me masochistic but the little kinks and quirks when upgrading my Linux distros are part of the fun. I've been running Ubuntu for the past 2 years on my laptop and I've always had little issues crop up - this time it was some of the repositories of the apps that i was using had moved to the main release - but I thought that Karmic handled them quite gracefully.</p><p>I find that Karmic is much more elegant and a shade faster than Jaunty for most things I use it for (granted I am a desktop user only). But I didn't find the "most usable OS" hype justified. I don't see huge changes in usability, the Ubuntu Software Centre is a little better organised, but I found Add/Remove fairly intuitive in prior versions as well so no great gains. Also I don't notice the faster boot time using ext3 file system. Well, strictly speaking, it lets me log in faster, but once I've logged in it takes a bit longer to actually let me do anything (for the icons to appear in panels etc).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me masochistic but the little kinks and quirks when upgrading my Linux distros are part of the fun .
I 've been running Ubuntu for the past 2 years on my laptop and I 've always had little issues crop up - this time it was some of the repositories of the apps that i was using had moved to the main release - but I thought that Karmic handled them quite gracefully.I find that Karmic is much more elegant and a shade faster than Jaunty for most things I use it for ( granted I am a desktop user only ) .
But I did n't find the " most usable OS " hype justified .
I do n't see huge changes in usability , the Ubuntu Software Centre is a little better organised , but I found Add/Remove fairly intuitive in prior versions as well so no great gains .
Also I do n't notice the faster boot time using ext3 file system .
Well , strictly speaking , it lets me log in faster , but once I 've logged in it takes a bit longer to actually let me do anything ( for the icons to appear in panels etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me masochistic but the little kinks and quirks when upgrading my Linux distros are part of the fun.
I've been running Ubuntu for the past 2 years on my laptop and I've always had little issues crop up - this time it was some of the repositories of the apps that i was using had moved to the main release - but I thought that Karmic handled them quite gracefully.I find that Karmic is much more elegant and a shade faster than Jaunty for most things I use it for (granted I am a desktop user only).
But I didn't find the "most usable OS" hype justified.
I don't see huge changes in usability, the Ubuntu Software Centre is a little better organised, but I found Add/Remove fairly intuitive in prior versions as well so no great gains.
Also I don't notice the faster boot time using ext3 file system.
Well, strictly speaking, it lets me log in faster, but once I've logged in it takes a bit longer to actually let me do anything (for the icons to appear in panels etc).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969832</id>
	<title>FUD? On my slashdot?</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1257248640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have had Karmic Koala since release and have not had any problems, unlike 8.04 which broke my sound drivers. This release has been flawless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have had Karmic Koala since release and have not had any problems , unlike 8.04 which broke my sound drivers .
This release has been flawless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have had Karmic Koala since release and have not had any problems, unlike 8.04 which broke my sound drivers.
This release has been flawless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974752</id>
	<title>No problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had absolutely no problem when upgrading to Karmic, although I even had many PPAs enabled and packages of them installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had absolutely no problem when upgrading to Karmic , although I even had many PPAs enabled and packages of them installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had absolutely no problem when upgrading to Karmic, although I even had many PPAs enabled and packages of them installed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970016</id>
	<title>My Experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using it since the morning it came out (before it showed up on the home page, but was on the mirrors).<br>
<br>
I haven't had any show stopping problems.  I've found it to be waaay better than 9.04.  The sound works far better (it used to not work for some apps), as does compiz.<br>
<br>
Oddly, the only thing that didn't work about Ubuntu One.  It complained that I had a version too new for the servers. *shrug*</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using it since the morning it came out ( before it showed up on the home page , but was on the mirrors ) .
I have n't had any show stopping problems .
I 've found it to be waaay better than 9.04 .
The sound works far better ( it used to not work for some apps ) , as does compiz .
Oddly , the only thing that did n't work about Ubuntu One .
It complained that I had a version too new for the servers .
* shrug *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using it since the morning it came out (before it showed up on the home page, but was on the mirrors).
I haven't had any show stopping problems.
I've found it to be waaay better than 9.04.
The sound works far better (it used to not work for some apps), as does compiz.
Oddly, the only thing that didn't work about Ubuntu One.
It complained that I had a version too new for the servers.
*shrug*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981836</id>
	<title>Upgrade not good.</title>
	<author>danne</author>
	<datestamp>1257015900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded one of my PC's and all sorts of software started crashing, Evolution didn't even start before it crashed. So I did a clean install instead which seems to work fine so far. The upgrade worked better on the other machines, but there are still some unresolved issues, mostly segfaults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded one of my PC 's and all sorts of software started crashing , Evolution did n't even start before it crashed .
So I did a clean install instead which seems to work fine so far .
The upgrade worked better on the other machines , but there are still some unresolved issues , mostly segfaults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded one of my PC's and all sorts of software started crashing, Evolution didn't even start before it crashed.
So I did a clean install instead which seems to work fine so far.
The upgrade worked better on the other machines, but there are still some unresolved issues, mostly segfaults.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29982266</id>
	<title>Seems okay to me</title>
	<author>TClevenger</author>
	<datestamp>1257017160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded my Toshiba Tecra M5 laptop (Core 2, 2GB, Nvidia) a few days ago to Karmic (AMD64), and no issues so far.  I did the one-button upgrade in place, after doing the in-place upgrade to Intrepid when it came out.  Boot is a little longer than I'd like (40 seconds from POST to desktop), but not out of line with the XP installation on the second partition.  In fact, sleep seems to behave better (Toshiba rolls their own ACPI, and Intrepid didn't always bring back the screen when waking up), and my VPN connection to work, which I had given up on for a couple of weeks, suddenly started working.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my Toshiba Tecra M5 laptop ( Core 2 , 2GB , Nvidia ) a few days ago to Karmic ( AMD64 ) , and no issues so far .
I did the one-button upgrade in place , after doing the in-place upgrade to Intrepid when it came out .
Boot is a little longer than I 'd like ( 40 seconds from POST to desktop ) , but not out of line with the XP installation on the second partition .
In fact , sleep seems to behave better ( Toshiba rolls their own ACPI , and Intrepid did n't always bring back the screen when waking up ) , and my VPN connection to work , which I had given up on for a couple of weeks , suddenly started working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my Toshiba Tecra M5 laptop (Core 2, 2GB, Nvidia) a few days ago to Karmic (AMD64), and no issues so far.
I did the one-button upgrade in place, after doing the in-place upgrade to Intrepid when it came out.
Boot is a little longer than I'd like (40 seconds from POST to desktop), but not out of line with the XP installation on the second partition.
In fact, sleep seems to behave better (Toshiba rolls their own ACPI, and Intrepid didn't always bring back the screen when waking up), and my VPN connection to work, which I had given up on for a couple of weeks, suddenly started working.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971610</id>
	<title>I switched shortly before the RC</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257255420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a gateway nforce athlon 64 4000+ with a geforce 8600 gt (IIRC) and I switched to karmic during the beta period. I then updated every day during the RCs and my experience so far is that it's got annoying but small problems.</p><p>Video is blue; had to modify gstreamer props and specify opengl output for vlc<br>Login window appears on secondary desktop, but desktop is in the right place at least<br>Suspend/resume still doesn't work, but it didn't work before so I count this as small<br>Occasional pop sounds from the speakers, but audio is working fine. I followed perfectsetup before update so who knows.<br>Can't play wma in gstreamer. Don't know if this is how things are or a special failure<br>Emerald is not used for window decoration even though it is specified in compiz configuration and desktop effects are set to custom</p><p>At least all of this can be worked around. Haven't figured out a good workaround for gstreamer and wma yet, so I'm using wimp in virtualbox ose with windows xp (seems to work except live messenger crashes on every "boot") to play my WMAs. I also get prompted for an ID3 tag demuxer sometimes with gstreamer, wtf is that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a gateway nforce athlon 64 4000 + with a geforce 8600 gt ( IIRC ) and I switched to karmic during the beta period .
I then updated every day during the RCs and my experience so far is that it 's got annoying but small problems.Video is blue ; had to modify gstreamer props and specify opengl output for vlcLogin window appears on secondary desktop , but desktop is in the right place at leastSuspend/resume still does n't work , but it did n't work before so I count this as smallOccasional pop sounds from the speakers , but audio is working fine .
I followed perfectsetup before update so who knows.Ca n't play wma in gstreamer .
Do n't know if this is how things are or a special failureEmerald is not used for window decoration even though it is specified in compiz configuration and desktop effects are set to customAt least all of this can be worked around .
Have n't figured out a good workaround for gstreamer and wma yet , so I 'm using wimp in virtualbox ose with windows xp ( seems to work except live messenger crashes on every " boot " ) to play my WMAs .
I also get prompted for an ID3 tag demuxer sometimes with gstreamer , wtf is that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a gateway nforce athlon 64 4000+ with a geforce 8600 gt (IIRC) and I switched to karmic during the beta period.
I then updated every day during the RCs and my experience so far is that it's got annoying but small problems.Video is blue; had to modify gstreamer props and specify opengl output for vlcLogin window appears on secondary desktop, but desktop is in the right place at leastSuspend/resume still doesn't work, but it didn't work before so I count this as smallOccasional pop sounds from the speakers, but audio is working fine.
I followed perfectsetup before update so who knows.Can't play wma in gstreamer.
Don't know if this is how things are or a special failureEmerald is not used for window decoration even though it is specified in compiz configuration and desktop effects are set to customAt least all of this can be worked around.
Haven't figured out a good workaround for gstreamer and wma yet, so I'm using wimp in virtualbox ose with windows xp (seems to work except live messenger crashes on every "boot") to play my WMAs.
I also get prompted for an ID3 tag demuxer sometimes with gstreamer, wtf is that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972352</id>
	<title>No real problems ...</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1257260100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Updated both a desktop and a laptop. The only issue I had was Palimpsest falsely reporting a large number of bad sectors on one of the laptop drives.</p><p>This was the first Linux update *ever* for me that didn't bork my wireless setup in my laptop. Also the first time I haven't had sound problems (I was using Pulse in 9.04 previously).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Updated both a desktop and a laptop .
The only issue I had was Palimpsest falsely reporting a large number of bad sectors on one of the laptop drives.This was the first Linux update * ever * for me that did n't bork my wireless setup in my laptop .
Also the first time I have n't had sound problems ( I was using Pulse in 9.04 previously ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Updated both a desktop and a laptop.
The only issue I had was Palimpsest falsely reporting a large number of bad sectors on one of the laptop drives.This was the first Linux update *ever* for me that didn't bork my wireless setup in my laptop.
Also the first time I haven't had sound problems (I was using Pulse in 9.04 previously).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971156</id>
	<title>Re:Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better!</title>
	<author>Ash-Fox</author>
	<datestamp>1257253200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The menus and text are too big</p></div></blockquote><p>I can fix that for the entire system in just five clicks (four, if I cheat with a drop down menu). I prefer Kubuntu's method of being friendly to novice users and letting more advanced users customize it with little trouble.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The menus and text are too bigI can fix that for the entire system in just five clicks ( four , if I cheat with a drop down menu ) .
I prefer Kubuntu 's method of being friendly to novice users and letting more advanced users customize it with little trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The menus and text are too bigI can fix that for the entire system in just five clicks (four, if I cheat with a drop down menu).
I prefer Kubuntu's method of being friendly to novice users and letting more advanced users customize it with little trouble.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969920</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972720</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Veroxii</author>
	<datestamp>1257262740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure about the sound issue, but I had the video issue too this morning. It's because I installed the proprietary Nvidia drivers. Simply rerun the installer and it should recompile and build the driver from scratch and install it properly.</p><p>This is not really a 9.04 to 9.10 issue though, it happens whenever you upgrade the kernel - happened to me twice with normal Jaunty updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure about the sound issue , but I had the video issue too this morning .
It 's because I installed the proprietary Nvidia drivers .
Simply rerun the installer and it should recompile and build the driver from scratch and install it properly.This is not really a 9.04 to 9.10 issue though , it happens whenever you upgrade the kernel - happened to me twice with normal Jaunty updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure about the sound issue, but I had the video issue too this morning.
It's because I installed the proprietary Nvidia drivers.
Simply rerun the installer and it should recompile and build the driver from scratch and install it properly.This is not really a 9.04 to 9.10 issue though, it happens whenever you upgrade the kernel - happened to me twice with normal Jaunty updates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976258</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>pinkushun</author>
	<datestamp>1256992620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love new releases, but restrict them to test rigs or virtual machines; this goes for other OS's too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love new releases , but restrict them to test rigs or virtual machines ; this goes for other OS 's too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love new releases, but restrict them to test rigs or virtual machines; this goes for other OS's too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969920</id>
	<title>Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better!</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1257248940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I am no fan of Ubuntu with its Gnome environment, I am sorry to mention that Kubuntu is no better.</p><p>You might wonder why: -</p><p>The menus and text are too big, and its help system is wanting big time! I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I am no fan of Ubuntu with its Gnome environment , I am sorry to mention that Kubuntu is no better.You might wonder why : -The menus and text are too big , and its help system is wanting big time !
I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I am no fan of Ubuntu with its Gnome environment, I am sorry to mention that Kubuntu is no better.You might wonder why: -The menus and text are too big, and its help system is wanting big time!
I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973300</id>
	<title>Lucky++</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find this rather odd and am starting to feel like I'm one of the lucky few.<br>The first machine here that got Koala was an old GX260 I just pulled out of retirement to use on the new LED TV.</p><p>Next up was my desktop, then the wife's desktop, then the laptops, and finally the work laptop.</p><p>No issues to report so far except that the bluetooth keyboard keeps dropping characters when the tinfoil hat isn't on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find this rather odd and am starting to feel like I 'm one of the lucky few.The first machine here that got Koala was an old GX260 I just pulled out of retirement to use on the new LED TV.Next up was my desktop , then the wife 's desktop , then the laptops , and finally the work laptop.No issues to report so far except that the bluetooth keyboard keeps dropping characters when the tinfoil hat is n't on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find this rather odd and am starting to feel like I'm one of the lucky few.The first machine here that got Koala was an old GX260 I just pulled out of retirement to use on the new LED TV.Next up was my desktop, then the wife's desktop, then the laptops, and finally the work laptop.No issues to report so far except that the bluetooth keyboard keeps dropping characters when the tinfoil hat isn't on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969676</id>
	<title>I've installed it on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My primary desktop at home, a 2nd desktop at work, and before release, I had the beta and then RC running in VM's for a few weeks. None of these had problems. Then again most of this is on older hardware (p4's with similar era video cards, etc).</p><p>Ubuntu needs to put a YMMV disclaimer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My primary desktop at home , a 2nd desktop at work , and before release , I had the beta and then RC running in VM 's for a few weeks .
None of these had problems .
Then again most of this is on older hardware ( p4 's with similar era video cards , etc ) .Ubuntu needs to put a YMMV disclaimer : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My primary desktop at home, a 2nd desktop at work, and before release, I had the beta and then RC running in VM's for a few weeks.
None of these had problems.
Then again most of this is on older hardware (p4's with similar era video cards, etc).Ubuntu needs to put a YMMV disclaimer :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977624</id>
	<title>It works better than any past edition for me.</title>
	<author>freetolio</author>
	<datestamp>1257002280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have used the previous 3 versions of Ubuntu on my desktop, and this is by far the best.  It looks better, the "included" proprietary graphics drivers have improved, and wireless finally works with included ath5k drivers only requiring commenting out a blacklist statement rather than some convoluted solution like I usually have to go through.  Flash operates on par with Windows now performance and appearance-wise.  It is also faster in general with a better boot time.  I keep thinking that Linux is just now finally truly ready for even the average user's home desktop.  The jump from 9.04 to 9.10 was totally worth it though it only worked on the second try when doing the upgrade via the update manager.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used the previous 3 versions of Ubuntu on my desktop , and this is by far the best .
It looks better , the " included " proprietary graphics drivers have improved , and wireless finally works with included ath5k drivers only requiring commenting out a blacklist statement rather than some convoluted solution like I usually have to go through .
Flash operates on par with Windows now performance and appearance-wise .
It is also faster in general with a better boot time .
I keep thinking that Linux is just now finally truly ready for even the average user 's home desktop .
The jump from 9.04 to 9.10 was totally worth it though it only worked on the second try when doing the upgrade via the update manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used the previous 3 versions of Ubuntu on my desktop, and this is by far the best.
It looks better, the "included" proprietary graphics drivers have improved, and wireless finally works with included ath5k drivers only requiring commenting out a blacklist statement rather than some convoluted solution like I usually have to go through.
Flash operates on par with Windows now performance and appearance-wise.
It is also faster in general with a better boot time.
I keep thinking that Linux is just now finally truly ready for even the average user's home desktop.
The jump from 9.04 to 9.10 was totally worth it though it only worked on the second try when doing the upgrade via the update manager.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972418</id>
	<title>STOP UPGRADING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257260520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the griping that I've seen is from people who've clearly upgraded from one version to 9.10.  Why don't people learn that any OS is more prone to issues when you upgrade from one version to another.  Back your crap up and do a clean install!  I've been running 9.10 since the RC on my HP dv4-1117ca and it's been great.  The intel graphics work much better now, audio works cleanly out of the box and as much as I've been a fan of ALSA since back in the day when it was starting to replace OSS, pulse is pretty slick, it'll flip the output from my USB headset to the laptop's speakers on the fly, something that vista won't do for me (my experience is that you've got to restart the application in vista before it'll start routing the sound stream to the speakers after unplugging the usb headset)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the griping that I 've seen is from people who 've clearly upgraded from one version to 9.10 .
Why do n't people learn that any OS is more prone to issues when you upgrade from one version to another .
Back your crap up and do a clean install !
I 've been running 9.10 since the RC on my HP dv4-1117ca and it 's been great .
The intel graphics work much better now , audio works cleanly out of the box and as much as I 've been a fan of ALSA since back in the day when it was starting to replace OSS , pulse is pretty slick , it 'll flip the output from my USB headset to the laptop 's speakers on the fly , something that vista wo n't do for me ( my experience is that you 've got to restart the application in vista before it 'll start routing the sound stream to the speakers after unplugging the usb headset )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the griping that I've seen is from people who've clearly upgraded from one version to 9.10.
Why don't people learn that any OS is more prone to issues when you upgrade from one version to another.
Back your crap up and do a clean install!
I've been running 9.10 since the RC on my HP dv4-1117ca and it's been great.
The intel graphics work much better now, audio works cleanly out of the box and as much as I've been a fan of ALSA since back in the day when it was starting to replace OSS, pulse is pretty slick, it'll flip the output from my USB headset to the laptop's speakers on the fly, something that vista won't do for me (my experience is that you've got to restart the application in vista before it'll start routing the sound stream to the speakers after unplugging the usb headset)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973028</id>
	<title>Surprised</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1257265560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am surprised. If so many people are affected by these issues, how come they weren't found and fixed prior to release?</p><p>Or is it a matter of pushing the release out of the door despite known bugs still being present?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am surprised .
If so many people are affected by these issues , how come they were n't found and fixed prior to release ? Or is it a matter of pushing the release out of the door despite known bugs still being present ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am surprised.
If so many people are affected by these issues, how come they weren't found and fixed prior to release?Or is it a matter of pushing the release out of the door despite known bugs still being present?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970200</id>
	<title>Color me shocked...not.</title>
	<author>Enahs</author>
	<datestamp>1257249780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been having an increasing number of problems with each new release.  I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, so I'm using Arch Linux now.</p><p>I mean...there were times when I'd know what to do to fix a problem, and their #$\%! automated tools would get in the way.  Sadly, in some cases, this is what is coming to a Linux near you.</p><p>And don't get me started on Kubuntu.  if you're like me and cut your teeth on distros like Slackware, but you want to use KDE4, give Arch Linux a serious look.  The <a href="http://chakra-project.org/" title="chakra-project.org">Chakra Project</a> [chakra-project.org] has a KDE4 repo that makes other offerings look ridiculous.</p><p>Someone wake me when Canonical starts busting heads, then I'll take another look at Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been having an increasing number of problems with each new release .
I 'm not afraid to get my hands dirty , so I 'm using Arch Linux now.I mean...there were times when I 'd know what to do to fix a problem , and their # $ \ % !
automated tools would get in the way .
Sadly , in some cases , this is what is coming to a Linux near you.And do n't get me started on Kubuntu .
if you 're like me and cut your teeth on distros like Slackware , but you want to use KDE4 , give Arch Linux a serious look .
The Chakra Project [ chakra-project.org ] has a KDE4 repo that makes other offerings look ridiculous.Someone wake me when Canonical starts busting heads , then I 'll take another look at Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been having an increasing number of problems with each new release.
I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, so I'm using Arch Linux now.I mean...there were times when I'd know what to do to fix a problem, and their #$\%!
automated tools would get in the way.
Sadly, in some cases, this is what is coming to a Linux near you.And don't get me started on Kubuntu.
if you're like me and cut your teeth on distros like Slackware, but you want to use KDE4, give Arch Linux a serious look.
The Chakra Project [chakra-project.org] has a KDE4 repo that makes other offerings look ridiculous.Someone wake me when Canonical starts busting heads, then I'll take another look at Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970072</id>
	<title>no problems here</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1257249360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded 9.04 to 9.10, no problem - sound, accelerated video, everything works, and it seems snappier, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded 9.04 to 9.10 , no problem - sound , accelerated video , everything works , and it seems snappier , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded 9.04 to 9.10, no problem - sound, accelerated video, everything works, and it seems snappier, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972612</id>
	<title>Re:All right, except for GRUB2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257261960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes I did the same, I had 9.04 installed but did a fresh install of 9.10 instead of an upgrade.<br>Booted up ok but every time I shutdown and restart grub2 hangs at the grub loading stage.<br>I boot off a live cd, run a repair and it works ok next boot but then hangs after next shutdown.<br>I tried uninstalling grub2 and installing grub but that failed with a different error.<br>So I have gone back to 9.04 for now and might try an apt-get upgrade in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes I did the same , I had 9.04 installed but did a fresh install of 9.10 instead of an upgrade.Booted up ok but every time I shutdown and restart grub2 hangs at the grub loading stage.I boot off a live cd , run a repair and it works ok next boot but then hangs after next shutdown.I tried uninstalling grub2 and installing grub but that failed with a different error.So I have gone back to 9.04 for now and might try an apt-get upgrade in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes I did the same, I had 9.04 installed but did a fresh install of 9.10 instead of an upgrade.Booted up ok but every time I shutdown and restart grub2 hangs at the grub loading stage.I boot off a live cd, run a repair and it works ok next boot but then hangs after next shutdown.I tried uninstalling grub2 and installing grub but that failed with a different error.So I have gone back to 9.04 for now and might try an apt-get upgrade in the future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972798</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257263520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=981</p><p>"The Leopard Upgrade went well except for the nagging blue screen"</p><p>Wharglbargl</p><p>Last I checked Macs were pretty mainstream, so was Windows 7, and both of them seem to have similar issues.</p><p>Check please!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/ ? p = 981 " The Leopard Upgrade went well except for the nagging blue screen " WharglbarglLast I checked Macs were pretty mainstream , so was Windows 7 , and both of them seem to have similar issues.Check please !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=981"The Leopard Upgrade went well except for the nagging blue screen"WharglbarglLast I checked Macs were pretty mainstream, so was Windows 7, and both of them seem to have similar issues.Check please!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29991184</id>
	<title>works for me!</title>
	<author>ClickWir</author>
	<datestamp>1257012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got Karmic running on 4 production machines. (Kubuntu) And on one machine I had an issue of KDE not coming up all the way, there is a bug filed and I know how to fix it should it happen again. Other than that, for me, it's been flawless.</p><p>I see it as a near perfect release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got Karmic running on 4 production machines .
( Kubuntu ) And on one machine I had an issue of KDE not coming up all the way , there is a bug filed and I know how to fix it should it happen again .
Other than that , for me , it 's been flawless.I see it as a near perfect release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got Karmic running on 4 production machines.
(Kubuntu) And on one machine I had an issue of KDE not coming up all the way, there is a bug filed and I know how to fix it should it happen again.
Other than that, for me, it's been flawless.I see it as a near perfect release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971602</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was an early adopter and I haven't had any issues with the new 9.10.<br>I'm running an older 3ghz x64 hp media pc with 4 gigs of Kingston memory with a Western Digital sata drive and I have yet to run into anything preventing me from using the system. I must have been lucky. One thing that did not work well was the empathy instant messenger, but just re-loaded pigin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was an early adopter and I have n't had any issues with the new 9.10.I 'm running an older 3ghz x64 hp media pc with 4 gigs of Kingston memory with a Western Digital sata drive and I have yet to run into anything preventing me from using the system .
I must have been lucky .
One thing that did not work well was the empathy instant messenger , but just re-loaded pigin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was an early adopter and I haven't had any issues with the new 9.10.I'm running an older 3ghz x64 hp media pc with 4 gigs of Kingston memory with a Western Digital sata drive and I have yet to run into anything preventing me from using the system.
I must have been lucky.
One thing that did not work well was the empathy instant messenger, but just re-loaded pigin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970942</id>
	<title>Re:I love these stories...</title>
	<author>LordLimecat</author>
	<datestamp>1257252360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows 7 doesnt work with my Rage 128 graphics card, or my HP 1100 parallel printer.  Clearly Windows is not ready for most users. <br> <br>
Am I doing it right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 doesnt work with my Rage 128 graphics card , or my HP 1100 parallel printer .
Clearly Windows is not ready for most users .
Am I doing it right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 doesnt work with my Rage 128 graphics card, or my HP 1100 parallel printer.
Clearly Windows is not ready for most users.
Am I doing it right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29989268</id>
	<title>Works fine</title>
	<author>mackyrae</author>
	<datestamp>1256998980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Early adopters mean people who upgraded at release time?  Huh...interesting...</p><p>I've been running Karmic since the first week of June, alpha 1.  Sure I hit bugs back during the early alphas, but meh.  Since release?  Or rather...since a month before release? No problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Early adopters mean people who upgraded at release time ?
Huh...interesting...I 've been running Karmic since the first week of June , alpha 1 .
Sure I hit bugs back during the early alphas , but meh .
Since release ?
Or rather...since a month before release ?
No problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Early adopters mean people who upgraded at release time?
Huh...interesting...I've been running Karmic since the first week of June, alpha 1.
Sure I hit bugs back during the early alphas, but meh.
Since release?
Or rather...since a month before release?
No problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972474</id>
	<title>Works great, except for suspend / resume</title>
	<author>q2k</author>
	<datestamp>1257260820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My upgrade to 9.10 was fine except that Suspend / resume is completely broken and I have to hard reset to get back from sleep mode. On the good side, my NAT drive, which would never mount on boot with 9.04 is now mounting with no human intervention. One step forward, one step back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My upgrade to 9.10 was fine except that Suspend / resume is completely broken and I have to hard reset to get back from sleep mode .
On the good side , my NAT drive , which would never mount on boot with 9.04 is now mounting with no human intervention .
One step forward , one step back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My upgrade to 9.10 was fine except that Suspend / resume is completely broken and I have to hard reset to get back from sleep mode.
On the good side, my NAT drive, which would never mount on boot with 9.04 is now mounting with no human intervention.
One step forward, one step back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971172</id>
	<title>Early Adopters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257253260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical linux-boosting, ubuntu-brown-noseing, apologist Slashdot reporting. There are no early adopters here, doofuses. This was a <i>release</i>, remember? The problem is that Ubuntu is fanbois driven crap. If they would quit acting like it was the Second Coming then Shuttleworth's people could take the time to get it right. If you're unhappy, move to a <b>professional</b> linux distro or try one of the BSDs or Mac. This is not the first time this has happened; how long does it take you people to get a clue?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical linux-boosting , ubuntu-brown-noseing , apologist Slashdot reporting .
There are no early adopters here , doofuses .
This was a release , remember ?
The problem is that Ubuntu is fanbois driven crap .
If they would quit acting like it was the Second Coming then Shuttleworth 's people could take the time to get it right .
If you 're unhappy , move to a professional linux distro or try one of the BSDs or Mac .
This is not the first time this has happened ; how long does it take you people to get a clue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical linux-boosting, ubuntu-brown-noseing, apologist Slashdot reporting.
There are no early adopters here, doofuses.
This was a release, remember?
The problem is that Ubuntu is fanbois driven crap.
If they would quit acting like it was the Second Coming then Shuttleworth's people could take the time to get it right.
If you're unhappy, move to a professional linux distro or try one of the BSDs or Mac.
This is not the first time this has happened; how long does it take you people to get a clue?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30099056</id>
	<title>Karmic Koala Update</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258224660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed KK and when I got online for updates and downloaded them and rebooted, Ubuntu 9.10 completely failed to find the kernel and the partition. I lost 15 GB of data, luckily I had backed up.  I uninstalled Ubuntu Karmic Koala using WUBI  and just use my boring but safe Windows XP instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed KK and when I got online for updates and downloaded them and rebooted , Ubuntu 9.10 completely failed to find the kernel and the partition .
I lost 15 GB of data , luckily I had backed up .
I uninstalled Ubuntu Karmic Koala using WUBI and just use my boring but safe Windows XP instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed KK and when I got online for updates and downloaded them and rebooted, Ubuntu 9.10 completely failed to find the kernel and the partition.
I lost 15 GB of data, luckily I had backed up.
I uninstalled Ubuntu Karmic Koala using WUBI  and just use my boring but safe Windows XP instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977640</id>
	<title>It's been good to me.</title>
	<author>cuby</author>
	<datestamp>1257002340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>9.10 is slower on startup, but I noticed it faster in runtime. It uses less processor and memory (It is only a perception).
The pulsaudio crap is working well.
I've installed it in 3 computers and only in my eeepc 901 I had a bad bug, that I later found is due to a driver issue related to the wireless adapter.
I think the article is histerical.</htmltext>
<tokenext>9.10 is slower on startup , but I noticed it faster in runtime .
It uses less processor and memory ( It is only a perception ) .
The pulsaudio crap is working well .
I 've installed it in 3 computers and only in my eeepc 901 I had a bad bug , that I later found is due to a driver issue related to the wireless adapter .
I think the article is histerical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>9.10 is slower on startup, but I noticed it faster in runtime.
It uses less processor and memory (It is only a perception).
The pulsaudio crap is working well.
I've installed it in 3 computers and only in my eeepc 901 I had a bad bug, that I later found is due to a driver issue related to the wireless adapter.
I think the article is histerical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970392</id>
	<title>They should stay in Beta mode way longer</title>
	<author>xiando</author>
	<datestamp>1257250380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I very recently gave my nice neighbor, a man in his 60s who had no previous computer experience, a P4-based laptop with Ubuntu on it. I tried the Karmic Beta on it and it had trouble with both the Ralink wireless and the soundcard. I reinstalled 8.10 on it before giving it away since that version actually works perfectly on this particular Fujitsu Siemens laptop. What I find rather odd and quite sad is that the final product was released only a few days after my Karmic Beta test. bugs.launchpad.net indicates that these bugs are still open even though they had been for some time prior to me checking for duplicates when I was about to file bug report after bug report. Perhaps the Ubuntu overlords should have a way longer release cycle? Could it be that it would be better for everyone if they actually made sure that most really important already-reported bugs regarding the beta are fixed before releasing the final version? No wireless and/or no sound are real deal-breakers when you're trying out a new OS for the first time, specially if you are used to a proprietary OS with working wireless and sound and the anti-virus and the virus and all those things.
<br> <br>
Nobody should be shocked and amazed to find that unfixed reported bugs remain bugs after a fan-fare "final" release. They knew, or should have known by looking at open bug reports, that the release was full of bugs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I very recently gave my nice neighbor , a man in his 60s who had no previous computer experience , a P4-based laptop with Ubuntu on it .
I tried the Karmic Beta on it and it had trouble with both the Ralink wireless and the soundcard .
I reinstalled 8.10 on it before giving it away since that version actually works perfectly on this particular Fujitsu Siemens laptop .
What I find rather odd and quite sad is that the final product was released only a few days after my Karmic Beta test .
bugs.launchpad.net indicates that these bugs are still open even though they had been for some time prior to me checking for duplicates when I was about to file bug report after bug report .
Perhaps the Ubuntu overlords should have a way longer release cycle ?
Could it be that it would be better for everyone if they actually made sure that most really important already-reported bugs regarding the beta are fixed before releasing the final version ?
No wireless and/or no sound are real deal-breakers when you 're trying out a new OS for the first time , specially if you are used to a proprietary OS with working wireless and sound and the anti-virus and the virus and all those things .
Nobody should be shocked and amazed to find that unfixed reported bugs remain bugs after a fan-fare " final " release .
They knew , or should have known by looking at open bug reports , that the release was full of bugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I very recently gave my nice neighbor, a man in his 60s who had no previous computer experience, a P4-based laptop with Ubuntu on it.
I tried the Karmic Beta on it and it had trouble with both the Ralink wireless and the soundcard.
I reinstalled 8.10 on it before giving it away since that version actually works perfectly on this particular Fujitsu Siemens laptop.
What I find rather odd and quite sad is that the final product was released only a few days after my Karmic Beta test.
bugs.launchpad.net indicates that these bugs are still open even though they had been for some time prior to me checking for duplicates when I was about to file bug report after bug report.
Perhaps the Ubuntu overlords should have a way longer release cycle?
Could it be that it would be better for everyone if they actually made sure that most really important already-reported bugs regarding the beta are fixed before releasing the final version?
No wireless and/or no sound are real deal-breakers when you're trying out a new OS for the first time, specially if you are used to a proprietary OS with working wireless and sound and the anti-virus and the virus and all those things.
Nobody should be shocked and amazed to find that unfixed reported bugs remain bugs after a fan-fare "final" release.
They knew, or should have known by looking at open bug reports, that the release was full of bugs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977510</id>
	<title>My experience when upgrading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, first of all, I upgraded because the application "update manager" had a button that said "upgrade", it didn't say it was a beta, an early release, nor contained any indication that this was not a stable final version. I'm just learning that it wasn't by reading this slashdot article.</p><p>Some of us just use the damn OS and are not active members in the linux community, how'd I had known this was a risk? Oh, by reading some websites I never visit? great!</p><p>Now I don't have any sound.</p><p>Can I roll back? nope, I have to reinstall from scratch if I want the system I had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , first of all , I upgraded because the application " update manager " had a button that said " upgrade " , it did n't say it was a beta , an early release , nor contained any indication that this was not a stable final version .
I 'm just learning that it was n't by reading this slashdot article.Some of us just use the damn OS and are not active members in the linux community , how 'd I had known this was a risk ?
Oh , by reading some websites I never visit ?
great ! Now I do n't have any sound.Can I roll back ?
nope , I have to reinstall from scratch if I want the system I had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, first of all, I upgraded because the application "update manager" had a button that said "upgrade", it didn't say it was a beta, an early release, nor contained any indication that this was not a stable final version.
I'm just learning that it wasn't by reading this slashdot article.Some of us just use the damn OS and are not active members in the linux community, how'd I had known this was a risk?
Oh, by reading some websites I never visit?
great!Now I don't have any sound.Can I roll back?
nope, I have to reinstall from scratch if I want the system I had.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971386</id>
	<title>What's all the fuss aboot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had nae bother with Karmic. In fact, it's sorted out the Intel graphics problems I was having with Jaunty.</p><p>Unlike my experience of trying to upgrade XP to Windows 7, which I did on the same night on wor lasses' pooter. No fun at all. Still having sleepless nights, can't eat properly and my usually-regular-as-clockwork bowel movements have gone to pot...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had nae bother with Karmic .
In fact , it 's sorted out the Intel graphics problems I was having with Jaunty.Unlike my experience of trying to upgrade XP to Windows 7 , which I did on the same night on wor lasses ' pooter .
No fun at all .
Still having sleepless nights , ca n't eat properly and my usually-regular-as-clockwork bowel movements have gone to pot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had nae bother with Karmic.
In fact, it's sorted out the Intel graphics problems I was having with Jaunty.Unlike my experience of trying to upgrade XP to Windows 7, which I did on the same night on wor lasses' pooter.
No fun at all.
Still having sleepless nights, can't eat properly and my usually-regular-as-clockwork bowel movements have gone to pot...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972162</id>
	<title>KK Rocks for me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257258780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am perfectly happy with 9.10, which ran the RC nicely on my 2003 era Tosh laptop- with nvidia 96 to boot (which did not run in 8.10 or 9.04)- Karmic is also treating my fairly recent AMD Phenom with AMD 4800 series very well- and finally able to run w/restricted drivers &amp; dual-head too (well I guess that's AMD's fault but still...) Were there a few bumps along the way - yes, but they were mostly self inflicted and nothing a quick trip to the forums or google didn't solve....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am perfectly happy with 9.10 , which ran the RC nicely on my 2003 era Tosh laptop- with nvidia 96 to boot ( which did not run in 8.10 or 9.04 ) - Karmic is also treating my fairly recent AMD Phenom with AMD 4800 series very well- and finally able to run w/restricted drivers &amp; dual-head too ( well I guess that 's AMD 's fault but still... ) Were there a few bumps along the way - yes , but they were mostly self inflicted and nothing a quick trip to the forums or google did n't solve... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am perfectly happy with 9.10, which ran the RC nicely on my 2003 era Tosh laptop- with nvidia 96 to boot (which did not run in 8.10 or 9.04)- Karmic is also treating my fairly recent AMD Phenom with AMD 4800 series very well- and finally able to run w/restricted drivers &amp; dual-head too (well I guess that's AMD's fault but still...) Were there a few bumps along the way - yes, but they were mostly self inflicted and nothing a quick trip to the forums or google didn't solve....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30039228</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257765540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer Debian-based distros because of the thousand of packages available and because the package manager is very fast and efficient. I have been a Ubuntu user for at least 3 years, testing alphas, betas, RCs and keeping my distro up-to-date. I had to stop using Ubuntu since 9.04 because it entirely broke my filesystem. What annoyed me is that the bug was reported in alpha stage, then in beta, then for the RCs and then for the final release and, as I continue to receive bugs reports regularly, I guess I has not been fixed yet. The quality and stability of the Ubuntu releases has been worsening and worsening which each new release since the last LTS version. This is a fact. I am currently used Kanotix because it is Debian, it is stable and it recognised and configured my hardware automatically (something that Debian and Ubuntu did not, for different reasons: Debian because of the old kernel and Ubuntu I do not know why). In addition, Kanotix, being Lenny-based has some more up-to-date packages. Do not get me wrong, the Debian guys are doing a great job and it is not by chance that Debian is the precursor of some of the most popular distros out there, such as Ubuntu itself. Ubuntu started very promisingly by providing an out-of-the-box beginner-friendly Debian experience. For a while I even thought it could compete with Windows. Now, it has become a fashionable distro for people who are not doing serious things with their computers. What is the point of sticking to the deadlines if they are going to release a system which is going to break many people's system. Let's listen for a while the Fedora (also a state-of-the-art GNU/Linux distro) philosophy and let's try to learn something from these guys:</p><p>"We're still pushing to make the Fedora 12 final release on time but without compromising on quality. It has been a little hairy over the last two days but we've got what we think is a solid package set in at last, and a first release candidate build has been cut. We still need to do some heavy testing on it and make a final call on whether we're going with the planned release schedule -- that will happen on Monday -- but at the moment I'm hopeful. We'll make the right decision either way, if we ought to slip the release we will do, and Fedora 12 should be one of the highest quality Fedora releases for a while."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer Debian-based distros because of the thousand of packages available and because the package manager is very fast and efficient .
I have been a Ubuntu user for at least 3 years , testing alphas , betas , RCs and keeping my distro up-to-date .
I had to stop using Ubuntu since 9.04 because it entirely broke my filesystem .
What annoyed me is that the bug was reported in alpha stage , then in beta , then for the RCs and then for the final release and , as I continue to receive bugs reports regularly , I guess I has not been fixed yet .
The quality and stability of the Ubuntu releases has been worsening and worsening which each new release since the last LTS version .
This is a fact .
I am currently used Kanotix because it is Debian , it is stable and it recognised and configured my hardware automatically ( something that Debian and Ubuntu did not , for different reasons : Debian because of the old kernel and Ubuntu I do not know why ) .
In addition , Kanotix , being Lenny-based has some more up-to-date packages .
Do not get me wrong , the Debian guys are doing a great job and it is not by chance that Debian is the precursor of some of the most popular distros out there , such as Ubuntu itself .
Ubuntu started very promisingly by providing an out-of-the-box beginner-friendly Debian experience .
For a while I even thought it could compete with Windows .
Now , it has become a fashionable distro for people who are not doing serious things with their computers .
What is the point of sticking to the deadlines if they are going to release a system which is going to break many people 's system .
Let 's listen for a while the Fedora ( also a state-of-the-art GNU/Linux distro ) philosophy and let 's try to learn something from these guys : " We 're still pushing to make the Fedora 12 final release on time but without compromising on quality .
It has been a little hairy over the last two days but we 've got what we think is a solid package set in at last , and a first release candidate build has been cut .
We still need to do some heavy testing on it and make a final call on whether we 're going with the planned release schedule -- that will happen on Monday -- but at the moment I 'm hopeful .
We 'll make the right decision either way , if we ought to slip the release we will do , and Fedora 12 should be one of the highest quality Fedora releases for a while .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer Debian-based distros because of the thousand of packages available and because the package manager is very fast and efficient.
I have been a Ubuntu user for at least 3 years, testing alphas, betas, RCs and keeping my distro up-to-date.
I had to stop using Ubuntu since 9.04 because it entirely broke my filesystem.
What annoyed me is that the bug was reported in alpha stage, then in beta, then for the RCs and then for the final release and, as I continue to receive bugs reports regularly, I guess I has not been fixed yet.
The quality and stability of the Ubuntu releases has been worsening and worsening which each new release since the last LTS version.
This is a fact.
I am currently used Kanotix because it is Debian, it is stable and it recognised and configured my hardware automatically (something that Debian and Ubuntu did not, for different reasons: Debian because of the old kernel and Ubuntu I do not know why).
In addition, Kanotix, being Lenny-based has some more up-to-date packages.
Do not get me wrong, the Debian guys are doing a great job and it is not by chance that Debian is the precursor of some of the most popular distros out there, such as Ubuntu itself.
Ubuntu started very promisingly by providing an out-of-the-box beginner-friendly Debian experience.
For a while I even thought it could compete with Windows.
Now, it has become a fashionable distro for people who are not doing serious things with their computers.
What is the point of sticking to the deadlines if they are going to release a system which is going to break many people's system.
Let's listen for a while the Fedora (also a state-of-the-art GNU/Linux distro) philosophy and let's try to learn something from these guys:"We're still pushing to make the Fedora 12 final release on time but without compromising on quality.
It has been a little hairy over the last two days but we've got what we think is a solid package set in at last, and a first release candidate build has been cut.
We still need to do some heavy testing on it and make a final call on whether we're going with the planned release schedule -- that will happen on Monday -- but at the moment I'm hopeful.
We'll make the right decision either way, if we ought to slip the release we will do, and Fedora 12 should be one of the highest quality Fedora releases for a while.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970284</id>
	<title>Insufficient resources at Canonical?</title>
	<author>MSG</author>
	<datestamp>1257250080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never really bought in to the Ubuntu hype.  A lot of users had good things to say about their early releases, but I never actually saw a reason to believe that they were better or easier than other distributions.  I did, however, see their installer eat several friends' systems, which gave me a lot of reason to believe the opposite.</p><p>With each release of Ubuntu, I hear a larger number of complaints.  I've mostly come to the conclusion that Canonical took their time to get the first release right, but has bitten off more than they can chew with the 6 month release cycle.  They don't seem to have the resources to keep up the quality that they managed with their early releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never really bought in to the Ubuntu hype .
A lot of users had good things to say about their early releases , but I never actually saw a reason to believe that they were better or easier than other distributions .
I did , however , see their installer eat several friends ' systems , which gave me a lot of reason to believe the opposite.With each release of Ubuntu , I hear a larger number of complaints .
I 've mostly come to the conclusion that Canonical took their time to get the first release right , but has bitten off more than they can chew with the 6 month release cycle .
They do n't seem to have the resources to keep up the quality that they managed with their early releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never really bought in to the Ubuntu hype.
A lot of users had good things to say about their early releases, but I never actually saw a reason to believe that they were better or easier than other distributions.
I did, however, see their installer eat several friends' systems, which gave me a lot of reason to believe the opposite.With each release of Ubuntu, I hear a larger number of complaints.
I've mostly come to the conclusion that Canonical took their time to get the first release right, but has bitten off more than they can chew with the 6 month release cycle.
They don't seem to have the resources to keep up the quality that they managed with their early releases.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970174</id>
	<title>Debian Sid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a user of Sid for about three and a half years, I really think that more software should work how it does.  As I am regularly updating, I see changes as they come down rather than all at once.  If something breaks I have a pretty good idea where it broke and can roll it back to a previous version (using snapshot.debian.net at the very least to get the old packages).</p><p>I feel like users would be more comfortable with this kind of upgrade if done properly.  What's more, I feel like if new users could be <strong>introduced</strong> to a program's features in this way it would make the learning curve much shallower.  Think about it: you didn't start first grade of school learning trigonometry.  Math is introduced to you gradually over the years; as you learn the basics you progress.  Why should a new piece of software be different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a user of Sid for about three and a half years , I really think that more software should work how it does .
As I am regularly updating , I see changes as they come down rather than all at once .
If something breaks I have a pretty good idea where it broke and can roll it back to a previous version ( using snapshot.debian.net at the very least to get the old packages ) .I feel like users would be more comfortable with this kind of upgrade if done properly .
What 's more , I feel like if new users could be introduced to a program 's features in this way it would make the learning curve much shallower .
Think about it : you did n't start first grade of school learning trigonometry .
Math is introduced to you gradually over the years ; as you learn the basics you progress .
Why should a new piece of software be different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a user of Sid for about three and a half years, I really think that more software should work how it does.
As I am regularly updating, I see changes as they come down rather than all at once.
If something breaks I have a pretty good idea where it broke and can roll it back to a previous version (using snapshot.debian.net at the very least to get the old packages).I feel like users would be more comfortable with this kind of upgrade if done properly.
What's more, I feel like if new users could be introduced to a program's features in this way it would make the learning curve much shallower.
Think about it: you didn't start first grade of school learning trigonometry.
Math is introduced to you gradually over the years; as you learn the basics you progress.
Why should a new piece of software be different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970652</id>
	<title>I guess they should have waited...</title>
	<author>GuruBuckaroo</author>
	<datestamp>1257251340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for Service Pack 1?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for Service Pack 1 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for Service Pack 1?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970378</id>
	<title>No Problems</title>
	<author>nontrivial</author>
	<datestamp>1257250320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 9.10 on my Asus Eee PC 900A (4 Gig SSD) with zero problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 9.10 on my Asus Eee PC 900A ( 4 Gig SSD ) with zero problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 9.10 on my Asus Eee PC 900A (4 Gig SSD) with zero problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975594</id>
	<title>ubuntu problems are not new</title>
	<author>Bigos</author>
	<datestamp>1256985420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I tested beta version of Karmic I realised it's not beta at all, it's an early alpha. Serious constant crashes rendered my desktop system unusable.

On my netbook I have been using Linux Mint for a while. It is based on Ubuntu but it seems to be more polished and so far I had no problems with it.

I think many Mint users are Ubuntu refugees. Maybe if the problems continue I will put Mint on my desktop too. Anyway someone on Mint forum made following comment:

<a href="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&amp;t=33183&amp;start=30/" title="linuxmint.com" rel="nofollow">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&amp;t=33183&amp;start=30/</a> [linuxmint.com]<blockquote><div><p>Oh gosh...I keep my fingers crossed for the next Mint-release. In the worst case we have to postpone the next release with a few months I guess. But first wait for the final Karmic-release. Perhaps Ubuntu will come up with a miracle in these last remaining weeks...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:?

In my experience it was like:<br> <br>

04 = beta<br>
10 = alpha<br>
LTS = final after 2 or 3 months</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I tested beta version of Karmic I realised it 's not beta at all , it 's an early alpha .
Serious constant crashes rendered my desktop system unusable .
On my netbook I have been using Linux Mint for a while .
It is based on Ubuntu but it seems to be more polished and so far I had no problems with it .
I think many Mint users are Ubuntu refugees .
Maybe if the problems continue I will put Mint on my desktop too .
Anyway someone on Mint forum made following comment : http : //forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php ? f = 61&amp;t = 33183&amp;start = 30/ [ linuxmint.com ] Oh gosh...I keep my fingers crossed for the next Mint-release .
In the worst case we have to postpone the next release with a few months I guess .
But first wait for the final Karmic-release .
Perhaps Ubuntu will come up with a miracle in these last remaining weeks... : ? In my experience it was like : 04 = beta 10 = alpha LTS = final after 2 or 3 months</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I tested beta version of Karmic I realised it's not beta at all, it's an early alpha.
Serious constant crashes rendered my desktop system unusable.
On my netbook I have been using Linux Mint for a while.
It is based on Ubuntu but it seems to be more polished and so far I had no problems with it.
I think many Mint users are Ubuntu refugees.
Maybe if the problems continue I will put Mint on my desktop too.
Anyway someone on Mint forum made following comment:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&amp;t=33183&amp;start=30/ [linuxmint.com]Oh gosh...I keep my fingers crossed for the next Mint-release.
In the worst case we have to postpone the next release with a few months I guess.
But first wait for the final Karmic-release.
Perhaps Ubuntu will come up with a miracle in these last remaining weeks... :?

In my experience it was like: 

04 = beta
10 = alpha
LTS = final after 2 or 3 months
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970678</id>
	<title>DO NOT UPGRADE. Wait a month, or 3 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My thought: do not upgradem and try Live CD a lot of times. I was using 8.10, upgraded to 9.04, everything worked, except the video driver. My laptop got freezed a lot of times. So I went back to 8.04.<br>Now, I did a fresh install. My X does not freeze FREQUENTLY, but it does yet. My wifi disconnects quite often. My mom's DSL gave me a lot of headeaches, and is not perfect yet. Sound is annoying in both because they decided to save a lot of energy (shutting down hda intel hardware after 10 seconds).<br>To sum up: I am using 8.10 again. Soon, I will be using LTS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....<br>PS: My Vista suck a lot, but it is working without a problem (except for being Vista)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My thought : do not upgradem and try Live CD a lot of times .
I was using 8.10 , upgraded to 9.04 , everything worked , except the video driver .
My laptop got freezed a lot of times .
So I went back to 8.04.Now , I did a fresh install .
My X does not freeze FREQUENTLY , but it does yet .
My wifi disconnects quite often .
My mom 's DSL gave me a lot of headeaches , and is not perfect yet .
Sound is annoying in both because they decided to save a lot of energy ( shutting down hda intel hardware after 10 seconds ) .To sum up : I am using 8.10 again .
Soon , I will be using LTS .....PS : My Vista suck a lot , but it is working without a problem ( except for being Vista )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thought: do not upgradem and try Live CD a lot of times.
I was using 8.10, upgraded to 9.04, everything worked, except the video driver.
My laptop got freezed a lot of times.
So I went back to 8.04.Now, I did a fresh install.
My X does not freeze FREQUENTLY, but it does yet.
My wifi disconnects quite often.
My mom's DSL gave me a lot of headeaches, and is not perfect yet.
Sound is annoying in both because they decided to save a lot of energy (shutting down hda intel hardware after 10 seconds).To sum up: I am using 8.10 again.
Soon, I will be using LTS .....PS: My Vista suck a lot, but it is working without a problem (except for being Vista)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973258</id>
	<title>A good experience overall.</title>
	<author>Greyor</author>
	<datestamp>1257267480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've overall had a good experience, although I finally bit the bullet and did a clean install of Karmic on my desktop, which fixed all my gstreamer issues (which had been a problem since at least Hardy). I like it very much -- it's been quite impressive. The "New Wave" theme is one of my faves now, and I use it on both my desktop and laptop. So yeah, I've had a good experience in general.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've overall had a good experience , although I finally bit the bullet and did a clean install of Karmic on my desktop , which fixed all my gstreamer issues ( which had been a problem since at least Hardy ) .
I like it very much -- it 's been quite impressive .
The " New Wave " theme is one of my faves now , and I use it on both my desktop and laptop .
So yeah , I 've had a good experience in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've overall had a good experience, although I finally bit the bullet and did a clean install of Karmic on my desktop, which fixed all my gstreamer issues (which had been a problem since at least Hardy).
I like it very much -- it's been quite impressive.
The "New Wave" theme is one of my faves now, and I use it on both my desktop and laptop.
So yeah, I've had a good experience in general.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971590</id>
	<title>Karmic Koala = fast and stable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running Karmic Koala since last week on both my ThinkPad and Dell laptops as well as my desktop and it's been a very pleasant experience. It has been running absolutely flawless and rock solid. The many improvements are very noticeable, including the faster boot time. A couple of my friends are also running it now and none of us had any problems with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running Karmic Koala since last week on both my ThinkPad and Dell laptops as well as my desktop and it 's been a very pleasant experience .
It has been running absolutely flawless and rock solid .
The many improvements are very noticeable , including the faster boot time .
A couple of my friends are also running it now and none of us had any problems with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running Karmic Koala since last week on both my ThinkPad and Dell laptops as well as my desktop and it's been a very pleasant experience.
It has been running absolutely flawless and rock solid.
The many improvements are very noticeable, including the faster boot time.
A couple of my friends are also running it now and none of us had any problems with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973938</id>
	<title>Jaunty Jackalope was bad enough, thank you</title>
	<author>grikdog</author>
	<datestamp>1257272220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jaunty was a beta, in my opinion, so I considered myself warned off Karmic.  It took me six weeks to bring everything I had running in Intrepid (mostly sound and non-YouTube video on a Dell Inspiron 1525) back into Jaunty.  I don't intend to try another release from Canonical until the q.a. institutional issues are resolved.  Not Karmic Koala, and certainly not Lucid Lunatic at this stage of the game.  On the other hand, that's only 9.4 feet.  The ten foot pole is reserved for W7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jaunty was a beta , in my opinion , so I considered myself warned off Karmic .
It took me six weeks to bring everything I had running in Intrepid ( mostly sound and non-YouTube video on a Dell Inspiron 1525 ) back into Jaunty .
I do n't intend to try another release from Canonical until the q.a .
institutional issues are resolved .
Not Karmic Koala , and certainly not Lucid Lunatic at this stage of the game .
On the other hand , that 's only 9.4 feet .
The ten foot pole is reserved for W7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jaunty was a beta, in my opinion, so I considered myself warned off Karmic.
It took me six weeks to bring everything I had running in Intrepid (mostly sound and non-YouTube video on a Dell Inspiron 1525) back into Jaunty.
I don't intend to try another release from Canonical until the q.a.
institutional issues are resolved.
Not Karmic Koala, and certainly not Lucid Lunatic at this stage of the game.
On the other hand, that's only 9.4 feet.
The ten foot pole is reserved for W7.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972490</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>melikamp</author>
	<datestamp>1257260940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<p>None of the mentioned things affected my setup: Dell XPS with AMD64 and nVidia, but I had other various issues.

</p><ol>
<li>The wired card ceased to be "managed". <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1109585" title="ubuntuforums.org">The fix</a> [ubuntuforums.org] was easy, but the reason will remain a mystery.</li>
<li>"Popping" sounds could be heard. This is a very minor bug with a very <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311262&amp;highlight=popping+sounds" title="ubuntuforums.org">easy fix</a> [ubuntuforums.org].</li>
<li>Quake Live became a terrible dog for FPS, and the problem was traced to its interference with compiz. Since QL is still in beta, it is hard to say whose fault it is. The <a href="http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36165" title="quakelive.com">workaround</a> [quakelive.com] (by me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) is OK.</li>
<li>Where is the Services wizard? <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/433701" title="launchpad.net">It got nuked!</a> [launchpad.net] To be sure, it's not a bug, but a serious usability issue. Users have to either grok System V scripts (so I am OK) or use Synaptic when they want to, say, disable/enable sshd.</li>
<li>The login screen is fugly and the wizard for it is gone. <a href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3904127090\_7a7c8e8a96\_o.png" title="flickr.com">Or could as well be gone.</a> [flickr.com]</li>
</ol><p>Altogether, this was a rather painless experience for me, but if you hate ironing out bugs, I would recommend waiting for a few weeks before upgrading from stable. On the other hand, if you are doing a new installation, 9.10 is probably a better choice, as it basically works.

</p><p>P.S.: God, I hate it when I press a wrong button and Firefox navigates away, which causes me
to loose my notes.Slashdot should open the input form on a separate page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the mentioned things affected my setup : Dell XPS with AMD64 and nVidia , but I had other various issues .
The wired card ceased to be " managed " .
The fix [ ubuntuforums.org ] was easy , but the reason will remain a mystery .
" Popping " sounds could be heard .
This is a very minor bug with a very easy fix [ ubuntuforums.org ] .
Quake Live became a terrible dog for FPS , and the problem was traced to its interference with compiz .
Since QL is still in beta , it is hard to say whose fault it is .
The workaround [ quakelive.com ] ( by me : ) is OK . Where is the Services wizard ?
It got nuked !
[ launchpad.net ] To be sure , it 's not a bug , but a serious usability issue .
Users have to either grok System V scripts ( so I am OK ) or use Synaptic when they want to , say , disable/enable sshd .
The login screen is fugly and the wizard for it is gone .
Or could as well be gone .
[ flickr.com ] Altogether , this was a rather painless experience for me , but if you hate ironing out bugs , I would recommend waiting for a few weeks before upgrading from stable .
On the other hand , if you are doing a new installation , 9.10 is probably a better choice , as it basically works .
P.S. : God , I hate it when I press a wrong button and Firefox navigates away , which causes me to loose my notes.Slashdot should open the input form on a separate page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
None of the mentioned things affected my setup: Dell XPS with AMD64 and nVidia, but I had other various issues.
The wired card ceased to be "managed".
The fix [ubuntuforums.org] was easy, but the reason will remain a mystery.
"Popping" sounds could be heard.
This is a very minor bug with a very easy fix [ubuntuforums.org].
Quake Live became a terrible dog for FPS, and the problem was traced to its interference with compiz.
Since QL is still in beta, it is hard to say whose fault it is.
The workaround [quakelive.com] (by me :) is OK.
Where is the Services wizard?
It got nuked!
[launchpad.net] To be sure, it's not a bug, but a serious usability issue.
Users have to either grok System V scripts (so I am OK) or use Synaptic when they want to, say, disable/enable sshd.
The login screen is fugly and the wizard for it is gone.
Or could as well be gone.
[flickr.com]
Altogether, this was a rather painless experience for me, but if you hate ironing out bugs, I would recommend waiting for a few weeks before upgrading from stable.
On the other hand, if you are doing a new installation, 9.10 is probably a better choice, as it basically works.
P.S.: God, I hate it when I press a wrong button and Firefox navigates away, which causes me
to loose my notes.Slashdot should open the input form on a separate page.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</id>
	<title>Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1257248700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu:</p><p>I needed to make room to upgrade, because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full.  I have my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition on the 12 Gb SSD, so I needed to clean out things like the apt cache.  Eventually, I had to remove some bigger packages like Picasa (with Wine) and Open Office to free up enough space on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>With 50 Mb more than it claims it wanted, it finally started.</p><p>Halfway thru the upgrade, it froze and I had to reboot.  Packages had been downloaded, but not all installed.</p><p>I had to reboot using a rescue USB stick and chroot over to the main disk.  I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade and it said the system was hosed, and suggested a dpkg -a something rescue command.  I did that and it finished processing the files it had.  I then rebooted into "recovery mode" on that version, and did the dist-upgrade again and it finished.  Another reboot and it was successfully in a normal login.</p><p>I logged in and immediately did and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove to get the half-dozen updates and clean things up.  I then added back in Open Office and a few other missing packages that I cleaned out to make space.</p><p>The only thing I can say is in the end, it worked.  I've had upgrade horrors like this before with Slackware -- which I have *NEVER* successfully upgraded.  They *ALL* had to be re-installs, which is one of the big reasons why I no longer use Slackware.  In the past, upgrades have gone smoothly with (K)Ubuntu, as well as my CentOS, Fedora and Red Hat systems.  This one was one of the worst.</p><p>It is nice, one running.  Very slick, and I am mostly quite happy with the way it operates.  The only bug I've bumped into that is new is if I'm running on battery, and the battery gets low enough for the system to issue a warning, kicker dies.  No, I haven't reported it, yet.  Probably later tonight I'll see if I can get a backtrace and send it over.</p><p>My experience would have really stumped a Linux noob.  There needs to be a bit more Q&amp;A.  I got the feeling there was a bit of "let's push out on the Windows 7 day, no matter what" going on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu : I needed to make room to upgrade , because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full .
I have my /home partition on the 12 Gb SSD , so I needed to clean out things like the apt cache .
Eventually , I had to remove some bigger packages like Picasa ( with Wine ) and Open Office to free up enough space on /.With 50 Mb more than it claims it wanted , it finally started.Halfway thru the upgrade , it froze and I had to reboot .
Packages had been downloaded , but not all installed.I had to reboot using a rescue USB stick and chroot over to the main disk .
I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade and it said the system was hosed , and suggested a dpkg -a something rescue command .
I did that and it finished processing the files it had .
I then rebooted into " recovery mode " on that version , and did the dist-upgrade again and it finished .
Another reboot and it was successfully in a normal login.I logged in and immediately did and apt-get update , apt-get upgrade , apt-get autoremove to get the half-dozen updates and clean things up .
I then added back in Open Office and a few other missing packages that I cleaned out to make space.The only thing I can say is in the end , it worked .
I 've had upgrade horrors like this before with Slackware -- which I have * NEVER * successfully upgraded .
They * ALL * had to be re-installs , which is one of the big reasons why I no longer use Slackware .
In the past , upgrades have gone smoothly with ( K ) Ubuntu , as well as my CentOS , Fedora and Red Hat systems .
This one was one of the worst.It is nice , one running .
Very slick , and I am mostly quite happy with the way it operates .
The only bug I 've bumped into that is new is if I 'm running on battery , and the battery gets low enough for the system to issue a warning , kicker dies .
No , I have n't reported it , yet .
Probably later tonight I 'll see if I can get a backtrace and send it over.My experience would have really stumped a Linux noob .
There needs to be a bit more Q&amp;A .
I got the feeling there was a bit of " let 's push out on the Windows 7 day , no matter what " going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu:I needed to make room to upgrade, because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full.
I have my /home partition on the 12 Gb SSD, so I needed to clean out things like the apt cache.
Eventually, I had to remove some bigger packages like Picasa (with Wine) and Open Office to free up enough space on /.With 50 Mb more than it claims it wanted, it finally started.Halfway thru the upgrade, it froze and I had to reboot.
Packages had been downloaded, but not all installed.I had to reboot using a rescue USB stick and chroot over to the main disk.
I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade and it said the system was hosed, and suggested a dpkg -a something rescue command.
I did that and it finished processing the files it had.
I then rebooted into "recovery mode" on that version, and did the dist-upgrade again and it finished.
Another reboot and it was successfully in a normal login.I logged in and immediately did and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove to get the half-dozen updates and clean things up.
I then added back in Open Office and a few other missing packages that I cleaned out to make space.The only thing I can say is in the end, it worked.
I've had upgrade horrors like this before with Slackware -- which I have *NEVER* successfully upgraded.
They *ALL* had to be re-installs, which is one of the big reasons why I no longer use Slackware.
In the past, upgrades have gone smoothly with (K)Ubuntu, as well as my CentOS, Fedora and Red Hat systems.
This one was one of the worst.It is nice, one running.
Very slick, and I am mostly quite happy with the way it operates.
The only bug I've bumped into that is new is if I'm running on battery, and the battery gets low enough for the system to issue a warning, kicker dies.
No, I haven't reported it, yet.
Probably later tonight I'll see if I can get a backtrace and send it over.My experience would have really stumped a Linux noob.
There needs to be a bit more Q&amp;A.
I got the feeling there was a bit of "let's push out on the Windows 7 day, no matter what" going on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972312</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Spykk</author>
	<datestamp>1257259740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Speaking of anecdotes, 9.10 has been a huge upgrade for my Eee 1000 netbook. 720p h.264 encoded videos that used to get choppy when there was a lot going on now run flawlessly. Boot time has been cut down to ~10 seconds. Everything feels snappier and more responsive. Best of all I don't have to run some Eee specific distro that won't survive a dist upgrade.<br>
Every major operating system is going to cause some problems for a subset of the upgraders. Just because those of us who are happy with the new release aren't shouting it from the rooftops doesn't mean we don't exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of anecdotes , 9.10 has been a huge upgrade for my Eee 1000 netbook .
720p h.264 encoded videos that used to get choppy when there was a lot going on now run flawlessly .
Boot time has been cut down to ~ 10 seconds .
Everything feels snappier and more responsive .
Best of all I do n't have to run some Eee specific distro that wo n't survive a dist upgrade .
Every major operating system is going to cause some problems for a subset of the upgraders .
Just because those of us who are happy with the new release are n't shouting it from the rooftops does n't mean we do n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of anecdotes, 9.10 has been a huge upgrade for my Eee 1000 netbook.
720p h.264 encoded videos that used to get choppy when there was a lot going on now run flawlessly.
Boot time has been cut down to ~10 seconds.
Everything feels snappier and more responsive.
Best of all I don't have to run some Eee specific distro that won't survive a dist upgrade.
Every major operating system is going to cause some problems for a subset of the upgraders.
Just because those of us who are happy with the new release aren't shouting it from the rooftops doesn't mean we don't exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976960</id>
	<title>I had to use 1280x720 on a 24" monitor</title>
	<author>bebemochi</author>
	<datestamp>1256998920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jaunty handled my 24" 16:9 iiyama just fine at its native resolution of 1920x1080. Upgraded to Karmic... it autodetected the native res fine, except that it's practically unusable. Screen is blank except, oddly enough, for the toolbars, which display fine. Email and gedit display when run, but nothing else does. I've looked for workarounds, none worked, ended up having to file a bug. Another guy with the same monitor and better Linux skills than I is just as stumped.

Meanwhile I feel like I've gone back in time 15 years, because the only res that works properly on my monitor is the lower 16:9 at 1280x720. At 24" it reminds me of the pixellization on an old 800x600 res monitor. My eyes, my eyes...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jaunty handled my 24 " 16 : 9 iiyama just fine at its native resolution of 1920x1080 .
Upgraded to Karmic... it autodetected the native res fine , except that it 's practically unusable .
Screen is blank except , oddly enough , for the toolbars , which display fine .
Email and gedit display when run , but nothing else does .
I 've looked for workarounds , none worked , ended up having to file a bug .
Another guy with the same monitor and better Linux skills than I is just as stumped .
Meanwhile I feel like I 've gone back in time 15 years , because the only res that works properly on my monitor is the lower 16 : 9 at 1280x720 .
At 24 " it reminds me of the pixellization on an old 800x600 res monitor .
My eyes , my eyes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jaunty handled my 24" 16:9 iiyama just fine at its native resolution of 1920x1080.
Upgraded to Karmic... it autodetected the native res fine, except that it's practically unusable.
Screen is blank except, oddly enough, for the toolbars, which display fine.
Email and gedit display when run, but nothing else does.
I've looked for workarounds, none worked, ended up having to file a bug.
Another guy with the same monitor and better Linux skills than I is just as stumped.
Meanwhile I feel like I've gone back in time 15 years, because the only res that works properly on my monitor is the lower 16:9 at 1280x720.
At 24" it reminds me of the pixellization on an old 800x600 res monitor.
My eyes, my eyes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978608</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1257006120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt it had anything to do with win7, the fact is that ubuntu has made itself a slave to the 6 month release cycle, especially with the way they make the LTS releases part of the normal cycle (so if the normal cycle slips it causes problems for the LTS).</p><p>At least it's possible for someone who knows what they are doing to recover from a failed upgrade which is more than can be said of many systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it had anything to do with win7 , the fact is that ubuntu has made itself a slave to the 6 month release cycle , especially with the way they make the LTS releases part of the normal cycle ( so if the normal cycle slips it causes problems for the LTS ) .At least it 's possible for someone who knows what they are doing to recover from a failed upgrade which is more than can be said of many systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it had anything to do with win7, the fact is that ubuntu has made itself a slave to the 6 month release cycle, especially with the way they make the LTS releases part of the normal cycle (so if the normal cycle slips it causes problems for the LTS).At least it's possible for someone who knows what they are doing to recover from a failed upgrade which is more than can be said of many systems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975430</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, people should not have to download the beta version of a software to be allowed to say what is wrong in the final version of a product.</p><p>Not everyone is a beta-tester, even in a community product like Ubuntu Linux.</p><p>As for LTS, current version is 8.04, 18 month old. LTS just means Canonicall sells 3 year support on it. Should not mean a difference in quality level.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , people should not have to download the beta version of a software to be allowed to say what is wrong in the final version of a product.Not everyone is a beta-tester , even in a community product like Ubuntu Linux.As for LTS , current version is 8.04 , 18 month old .
LTS just means Canonicall sells 3 year support on it .
Should not mean a difference in quality level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, people should not have to download the beta version of a software to be allowed to say what is wrong in the final version of a product.Not everyone is a beta-tester, even in a community product like Ubuntu Linux.As for LTS, current version is 8.04, 18 month old.
LTS just means Canonicall sells 3 year support on it.
Should not mean a difference in quality level.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971576</id>
	<title>Register Bloodied by Lack of Research</title>
	<author>dustinkirkland</author>
	<datestamp>1257255180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As this article attacked the feature I personally worked on in Karmic, I felt it appropriate to respond in my blog at <a href="http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html" title="dustinkirkland.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html</a> [dustinkirkland.com].
<br>
Typically, I read and respect The Register. They usually run intriguing technology articles that make me think.  I'm quite disappointed with today's carelessly researched piece, specifically, the paragraphs regarding eCryptfs.
<br>
Lack of automation? In Ubuntu 9.10, encrypting your home directory is a matter of selecting a check box in the installer:  That's it. 9.04 Encrypted Home upgrading users simply run update-manager and upgrade all packages to 9.10. Their home directory encryption is not affected by this.
<br>
The author of this article found one post in the Ubuntu Forums poorly articulating an issue with home directory encryption and suddenly Ubuntu 9.10 users are getting "bloodied" by encryption in Ubuntu? Seriously?
<br>
I expect better journalism from The Register...
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-Dustin</htmltext>
<tokenext>As this article attacked the feature I personally worked on in Karmic , I felt it appropriate to respond in my blog at http : //blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html [ dustinkirkland.com ] .
Typically , I read and respect The Register .
They usually run intriguing technology articles that make me think .
I 'm quite disappointed with today 's carelessly researched piece , specifically , the paragraphs regarding eCryptfs .
Lack of automation ?
In Ubuntu 9.10 , encrypting your home directory is a matter of selecting a check box in the installer : That 's it .
9.04 Encrypted Home upgrading users simply run update-manager and upgrade all packages to 9.10 .
Their home directory encryption is not affected by this .
The author of this article found one post in the Ubuntu Forums poorly articulating an issue with home directory encryption and suddenly Ubuntu 9.10 users are getting " bloodied " by encryption in Ubuntu ?
Seriously ? I expect better journalism from The Register.. . : -Dustin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As this article attacked the feature I personally worked on in Karmic, I felt it appropriate to respond in my blog at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html [dustinkirkland.com].
Typically, I read and respect The Register.
They usually run intriguing technology articles that make me think.
I'm quite disappointed with today's carelessly researched piece, specifically, the paragraphs regarding eCryptfs.
Lack of automation?
In Ubuntu 9.10, encrypting your home directory is a matter of selecting a check box in the installer:  That's it.
9.04 Encrypted Home upgrading users simply run update-manager and upgrade all packages to 9.10.
Their home directory encryption is not affected by this.
The author of this article found one post in the Ubuntu Forums poorly articulating an issue with home directory encryption and suddenly Ubuntu 9.10 users are getting "bloodied" by encryption in Ubuntu?
Seriously?

I expect better journalism from The Register...
 :-Dustin</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</id>
	<title>Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>jackb\_guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1257248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It runs better than 9.04 on this machine that I am using. This is a K6-3D/400 with 256M and 10G drive.  It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.</p><p>Issues since 9.10...</p><p>Failure during boot get Xwindows/gnome to start.  On new log on screen is now a choice of gnome and safe gnome.  Just change to the other one and boots OK.</p><p>During first boot Netscape kept kicking errors about xorg. Those when a way on second full boot.</p><p>Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click.  Liked better the icon in tool bar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It runs better than 9.04 on this machine that I am using .
This is a K6-3D/400 with 256M and 10G drive .
It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.Issues since 9.10...Failure during boot get Xwindows/gnome to start .
On new log on screen is now a choice of gnome and safe gnome .
Just change to the other one and boots OK.During first boot Netscape kept kicking errors about xorg .
Those when a way on second full boot.Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click .
Liked better the icon in tool bar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It runs better than 9.04 on this machine that I am using.
This is a K6-3D/400 with 256M and 10G drive.
It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.Issues since 9.10...Failure during boot get Xwindows/gnome to start.
On new log on screen is now a choice of gnome and safe gnome.
Just change to the other one and boots OK.During first boot Netscape kept kicking errors about xorg.
Those when a way on second full boot.Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click.
Liked better the icon in tool bar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29983984</id>
	<title>I Love It!</title>
	<author>L0wt3ch</author>
	<datestamp>1257021960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny, I was just in the middle of upgrading ("downloading packages") when I came across this article, and chickened out! But then I read some of the comments, and got curious, so I went through with it.

I love it! My old Toshiba Satellite feels new again. I like everything - the new software utilities (disk checker, etc), the wallpapers (how classy!), that compiz just works out of the box again (how I missed it!)...

The sound server is far better! It doesn't take full control of the computer's resources when the volume's turned up all the way (as much) anymore, and it actually sounds a lot better. (Louder, too.)

The only problem I had was that, instead of having ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu artwork, it changed it all to xubuntu - usplash, gdm, everything. I had to manually reinstall the ubuntu-themed packages. But that's no big deal.

I'm very happy I upgraded, article notwithstanding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I was just in the middle of upgrading ( " downloading packages " ) when I came across this article , and chickened out !
But then I read some of the comments , and got curious , so I went through with it .
I love it !
My old Toshiba Satellite feels new again .
I like everything - the new software utilities ( disk checker , etc ) , the wallpapers ( how classy !
) , that compiz just works out of the box again ( how I missed it ! ) .. .
The sound server is far better !
It does n't take full control of the computer 's resources when the volume 's turned up all the way ( as much ) anymore , and it actually sounds a lot better .
( Louder , too .
) The only problem I had was that , instead of having ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu artwork , it changed it all to xubuntu - usplash , gdm , everything .
I had to manually reinstall the ubuntu-themed packages .
But that 's no big deal .
I 'm very happy I upgraded , article notwithstanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I was just in the middle of upgrading ("downloading packages") when I came across this article, and chickened out!
But then I read some of the comments, and got curious, so I went through with it.
I love it!
My old Toshiba Satellite feels new again.
I like everything - the new software utilities (disk checker, etc), the wallpapers (how classy!
), that compiz just works out of the box again (how I missed it!)...
The sound server is far better!
It doesn't take full control of the computer's resources when the volume's turned up all the way (as much) anymore, and it actually sounds a lot better.
(Louder, too.
)

The only problem I had was that, instead of having ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu artwork, it changed it all to xubuntu - usplash, gdm, everything.
I had to manually reinstall the ubuntu-themed packages.
But that's no big deal.
I'm very happy I upgraded, article notwithstanding.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972252</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257259380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience since 5.04 and subsequent upgrades has been that upgrades suck. I do fresh installs all the time and since my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home is on a different partition the process is quite smooth:<br>- copy all files in a backup subdir on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home/myname<br>- install<br>- copy back only data and needed configuration files (not much really)</p><p>The whole process (install + restore) takes about 2 hours maybe.</p><p>I've been running Karmic since beta and no real problem (except GDM which cannot be changed easily, but that's a GDM issue).</p><p>This way you also get all the latest and default config for each application avoid conflicts in older ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience since 5.04 and subsequent upgrades has been that upgrades suck .
I do fresh installs all the time and since my /home is on a different partition the process is quite smooth : - copy all files in a backup subdir on /home/myname- install- copy back only data and needed configuration files ( not much really ) The whole process ( install + restore ) takes about 2 hours maybe.I 've been running Karmic since beta and no real problem ( except GDM which can not be changed easily , but that 's a GDM issue ) .This way you also get all the latest and default config for each application avoid conflicts in older ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience since 5.04 and subsequent upgrades has been that upgrades suck.
I do fresh installs all the time and since my /home is on a different partition the process is quite smooth:- copy all files in a backup subdir on /home/myname- install- copy back only data and needed configuration files (not much really)The whole process (install + restore) takes about 2 hours maybe.I've been running Karmic since beta and no real problem (except GDM which cannot be changed easily, but that's a GDM issue).This way you also get all the latest and default config for each application avoid conflicts in older ones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976768</id>
	<title>Yet Another Reason to Hate Apple</title>
	<author>Slash.Poop</author>
	<datestamp>1256997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All these stupid animal names that people are adopting.<br>
Karmic Koala? Are you serious?</htmltext>
<tokenext>All these stupid animal names that people are adopting .
Karmic Koala ?
Are you serious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these stupid animal names that people are adopting.
Karmic Koala?
Are you serious?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976792</id>
	<title>Flickering screen</title>
	<author>koinu</author>
	<datestamp>1256997840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've tried Ubuntu, because I needed some Linux that runs from USB stick to install Gentoo on a netbook. I got this flickering screen problem which was quite annoying, but I simply reduced the resolution to 800x600 (1600x1200, 1280x1024, 1024x768 were all broken) and it went away. Maybe Ubuntu does not support (some) CRT monitors anymore(?), I don't really know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried Ubuntu , because I needed some Linux that runs from USB stick to install Gentoo on a netbook .
I got this flickering screen problem which was quite annoying , but I simply reduced the resolution to 800x600 ( 1600x1200 , 1280x1024 , 1024x768 were all broken ) and it went away .
Maybe Ubuntu does not support ( some ) CRT monitors anymore ( ?
) , I do n't really know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried Ubuntu, because I needed some Linux that runs from USB stick to install Gentoo on a netbook.
I got this flickering screen problem which was quite annoying, but I simply reduced the resolution to 800x600 (1600x1200, 1280x1024, 1024x768 were all broken) and it went away.
Maybe Ubuntu does not support (some) CRT monitors anymore(?
), I don't really know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29989308</id>
	<title>KK 9.1 failure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to upgrade to 9.1 KK. Total failure. My PC would not boot. I downloaded the 9.1 KK ISO on a Windows PC. I did a clean install of 9.1 KK on the Linux rig that would not boot because of the upgrade failure. After the clean install I got to the desktop, but it was totally frozen. I reinstalled 9.04 JJ which worked fine. Forget about Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to upgrade to 9.1 KK .
Total failure .
My PC would not boot .
I downloaded the 9.1 KK ISO on a Windows PC .
I did a clean install of 9.1 KK on the Linux rig that would not boot because of the upgrade failure .
After the clean install I got to the desktop , but it was totally frozen .
I reinstalled 9.04 JJ which worked fine .
Forget about Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to upgrade to 9.1 KK.
Total failure.
My PC would not boot.
I downloaded the 9.1 KK ISO on a Windows PC.
I did a clean install of 9.1 KK on the Linux rig that would not boot because of the upgrade failure.
After the clean install I got to the desktop, but it was totally frozen.
I reinstalled 9.04 JJ which worked fine.
Forget about Karmic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970618</id>
	<title>no problems here.</title>
	<author>phrostie</author>
	<datestamp>1257251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i updated both my laptop and my gamebox.</p><p>both went flawlessly</p><p>ones nvidia/amd and the other is intel/ati</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i updated both my laptop and my gamebox.both went flawlesslyones nvidia/amd and the other is intel/ati</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i updated both my laptop and my gamebox.both went flawlesslyones nvidia/amd and the other is intel/ati</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971338</id>
	<title>Since Beta, no problems here.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running Ubuntu 9.10 since the beta came out and I haven't had any serious problems on my Compaq Presario F767NR. I had a number of application crashes, but nothing that prevented me from using the system daily at home and on campus. I reinstalled when the RC came out (using the Desktop install, instead of the Alternative install) and again no problems for me.</p><p>Once the final came out I installed it on my desktop via the Wubi installer, I haven't done much with it but I booted and it booted to the desktop just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running Ubuntu 9.10 since the beta came out and I have n't had any serious problems on my Compaq Presario F767NR .
I had a number of application crashes , but nothing that prevented me from using the system daily at home and on campus .
I reinstalled when the RC came out ( using the Desktop install , instead of the Alternative install ) and again no problems for me.Once the final came out I installed it on my desktop via the Wubi installer , I have n't done much with it but I booted and it booted to the desktop just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running Ubuntu 9.10 since the beta came out and I haven't had any serious problems on my Compaq Presario F767NR.
I had a number of application crashes, but nothing that prevented me from using the system daily at home and on campus.
I reinstalled when the RC came out (using the Desktop install, instead of the Alternative install) and again no problems for me.Once the final came out I installed it on my desktop via the Wubi installer, I haven't done much with it but I booted and it booted to the desktop just fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970694</id>
	<title>mobile broadband issue - huawei e169</title>
	<author>nermaljcat</author>
	<datestamp>1257251460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Karmic does not work with a huawei e169 USB modem... bit of a disappointment as there was a kernal patch available weeks ago that fixes the problem.

 I love Ubuntu and was looking forward to Karmic, but will wait another month or so before converting my main machine =(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Karmic does not work with a huawei e169 USB modem... bit of a disappointment as there was a kernal patch available weeks ago that fixes the problem .
I love Ubuntu and was looking forward to Karmic , but will wait another month or so before converting my main machine = (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Karmic does not work with a huawei e169 USB modem... bit of a disappointment as there was a kernal patch available weeks ago that fixes the problem.
I love Ubuntu and was looking forward to Karmic, but will wait another month or so before converting my main machine =(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973470</id>
	<title>Re:I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257269520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or a wipe and a clean install. Really, if your update broke a couple times, it's quite possible you have lots of shit semi-broken now. <br>
&nbsp; <br>For most of history, an OS upgrade was a wipe and a reinstall. Windows almost always requires this, in my experience. It's only been in the last few years that Apple and to some extent Linux has been able to do true upgrades. Even now, they don't always work really well.<br>
&nbsp; <br>If you're seeing that many issues, do a clean install. I keep my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home directory on a separate partition from / for that very reason. I've had the same<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/media directories through 2 different distros, and probably 5 versions of Kubuntu. <br>When shit really goes badly, there are three steps to try:<br>
&nbsp; <br>1) Make sure you're on the newest kernel. Kubuntu didnt' do that for me this time, and caused all sorts of issues.<br>2) Whack your desktop config folder. I generally move<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.kde to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.kde.old Sometimes, your previous config settings kill the new ones. Start fresh. <br>3) Complete wipe and reinstall. No upgrade is perfect, as no system is "stock". Everyone adds stuff, moves stuff, etc. To make 100\% sure it's an OS issue and not an upgrade issue, wipe it and reinstall. <br>
&nbsp; <br>My 866mhz EEE doesn't take that long to boot. Hit those three steps, and if you still have the issues, throw full blame at the distro or the hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or a wipe and a clean install .
Really , if your update broke a couple times , it 's quite possible you have lots of shit semi-broken now .
  For most of history , an OS upgrade was a wipe and a reinstall .
Windows almost always requires this , in my experience .
It 's only been in the last few years that Apple and to some extent Linux has been able to do true upgrades .
Even now , they do n't always work really well .
  If you 're seeing that many issues , do a clean install .
I keep my /home directory on a separate partition from / for that very reason .
I 've had the same /home and /media directories through 2 different distros , and probably 5 versions of Kubuntu .
When shit really goes badly , there are three steps to try :   1 ) Make sure you 're on the newest kernel .
Kubuntu didnt ' do that for me this time , and caused all sorts of issues.2 ) Whack your desktop config folder .
I generally move .kde to .kde.old Sometimes , your previous config settings kill the new ones .
Start fresh .
3 ) Complete wipe and reinstall .
No upgrade is perfect , as no system is " stock " .
Everyone adds stuff , moves stuff , etc .
To make 100 \ % sure it 's an OS issue and not an upgrade issue , wipe it and reinstall .
  My 866mhz EEE does n't take that long to boot .
Hit those three steps , and if you still have the issues , throw full blame at the distro or the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or a wipe and a clean install.
Really, if your update broke a couple times, it's quite possible you have lots of shit semi-broken now.
  For most of history, an OS upgrade was a wipe and a reinstall.
Windows almost always requires this, in my experience.
It's only been in the last few years that Apple and to some extent Linux has been able to do true upgrades.
Even now, they don't always work really well.
  If you're seeing that many issues, do a clean install.
I keep my /home directory on a separate partition from / for that very reason.
I've had the same /home and /media directories through 2 different distros, and probably 5 versions of Kubuntu.
When shit really goes badly, there are three steps to try:
  1) Make sure you're on the newest kernel.
Kubuntu didnt' do that for me this time, and caused all sorts of issues.2) Whack your desktop config folder.
I generally move .kde to .kde.old Sometimes, your previous config settings kill the new ones.
Start fresh.
3) Complete wipe and reinstall.
No upgrade is perfect, as no system is "stock".
Everyone adds stuff, moves stuff, etc.
To make 100\% sure it's an OS issue and not an upgrade issue, wipe it and reinstall.
  My 866mhz EEE doesn't take that long to boot.
Hit those three steps, and if you still have the issues, throw full blame at the distro or the hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978436</id>
	<title>great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my system at home (kubuntu): run fast, beauty and no (really big) problems...</p><p>It's open source: try, enjoy, fix/report bugs, learn... and repeat the cycle with emphasis on enjoy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you don't like, don't use, there are a lot of options around there. If you like, welcome to our community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my system at home ( kubuntu ) : run fast , beauty and no ( really big ) problems...It 's open source : try , enjoy , fix/report bugs , learn... and repeat the cycle with emphasis on enjoy : - ) ... if you do n't like , do n't use , there are a lot of options around there .
If you like , welcome to our community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my system at home (kubuntu): run fast, beauty and no (really big) problems...It's open source: try, enjoy, fix/report bugs, learn... and repeat the cycle with emphasis on enjoy :-) ... if you don't like, don't use, there are a lot of options around there.
If you like, welcome to our community.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972210</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>ELitwin</author>
	<datestamp>1257259080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you a Buddhist monk by any chance? You seem very unfazed by something that would make me want to put my fist through my laptop screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a Buddhist monk by any chance ?
You seem very unfazed by something that would make me want to put my fist through my laptop screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a Buddhist monk by any chance?
You seem very unfazed by something that would make me want to put my fist through my laptop screen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971388</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>FallinWithStyle</author>
	<datestamp>1257254220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Brietech's defense, he did have a functioning internal speaker. His desktop environment of choice uses the mobo speaker to paint a picture of the desktop-- all you need is a keyboard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Brietech 's defense , he did have a functioning internal speaker .
His desktop environment of choice uses the mobo speaker to paint a picture of the desktop-- all you need is a keyboard ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Brietech's defense, he did have a functioning internal speaker.
His desktop environment of choice uses the mobo speaker to paint a picture of the desktop-- all you need is a keyboard ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972238</id>
	<title>My experiance..</title>
	<author>davej</author>
	<datestamp>1257259260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 with no problems at all.</p><p>In fact, I now know that one of my hard disks is failing (high reallocated sector count) due to the default use "palimpsest" to monitor drive condition!</p><p>I'm stoked!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 with no problems at all.In fact , I now know that one of my hard disks is failing ( high reallocated sector count ) due to the default use " palimpsest " to monitor drive condition ! I 'm stoked !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 with no problems at all.In fact, I now know that one of my hard disks is failing (high reallocated sector count) due to the default use "palimpsest" to monitor drive condition!I'm stoked!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969956</id>
	<title>Upgraded 3 computers</title>
	<author>tthomas48</author>
	<datestamp>1257249060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All 3 to Karmic. All 3 work great. None are even remotely similar hardware wise. As an added bonus the power saving on my laptop works better than my wife's Vista machine now which is definitely a great upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All 3 to Karmic .
All 3 work great .
None are even remotely similar hardware wise .
As an added bonus the power saving on my laptop works better than my wife 's Vista machine now which is definitely a great upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All 3 to Karmic.
All 3 work great.
None are even remotely similar hardware wise.
As an added bonus the power saving on my laptop works better than my wife's Vista machine now which is definitely a great upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969882</id>
	<title>Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1257248760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Problems plugging in an external monitor on my netbook. Workarounds are available, so it's tolerable. On the upside, it seems a bit better on batter life. Strangely, I'm not seeing any improvement in boot times, which people seem so obsessed with. Until it's under 10 seconds for my netbook, I'm sticking with suspend/hibernate. <br> <br> The new disk utility picked up the informed me that my laptop disk is in serious need of replacing, which is a nice thing to know before it fails. Overall, not as smooth an upgrade as Jaunty, but not bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Problems plugging in an external monitor on my netbook .
Workarounds are available , so it 's tolerable .
On the upside , it seems a bit better on batter life .
Strangely , I 'm not seeing any improvement in boot times , which people seem so obsessed with .
Until it 's under 10 seconds for my netbook , I 'm sticking with suspend/hibernate .
The new disk utility picked up the informed me that my laptop disk is in serious need of replacing , which is a nice thing to know before it fails .
Overall , not as smooth an upgrade as Jaunty , but not bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problems plugging in an external monitor on my netbook.
Workarounds are available, so it's tolerable.
On the upside, it seems a bit better on batter life.
Strangely, I'm not seeing any improvement in boot times, which people seem so obsessed with.
Until it's under 10 seconds for my netbook, I'm sticking with suspend/hibernate.
The new disk utility picked up the informed me that my laptop disk is in serious need of replacing, which is a nice thing to know before it fails.
Overall, not as smooth an upgrade as Jaunty, but not bad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969614</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970482</id>
	<title>Blinky Screen</title>
	<author>Mothinator</author>
	<datestamp>1257250740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had the blinky screen issue with X failing to load. I think it had to do with DKMS not building the nividia module for the new driver.

I was forced to wipe / and reinstall. An annoyance for sure, but no data lost as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home is on a separate partition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the blinky screen issue with X failing to load .
I think it had to do with DKMS not building the nividia module for the new driver .
I was forced to wipe / and reinstall .
An annoyance for sure , but no data lost as /home is on a separate partition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the blinky screen issue with X failing to load.
I think it had to do with DKMS not building the nividia module for the new driver.
I was forced to wipe / and reinstall.
An annoyance for sure, but no data lost as /home is on a separate partition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976684</id>
	<title>from Dell M1330 user</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256996760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using it a week now on a laptop for some heavy development and no issues yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using it a week now on a laptop for some heavy development and no issues yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using it a week now on a laptop for some heavy development and no issues yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969590</id>
	<title>I'd say the KARMIC name speaks for itself:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has gathered karma on its voyage thus far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has gathered karma on its voyage thus far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has gathered karma on its voyage thus far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977856</id>
	<title>Karma bites back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jaunty was working fine, been dabbling in Ubuntu for over a year with no real problems.<br>Karmic, however...<br>After upgrading through the Update  Manager, I only half boot and then lock up tight looking at<br>an empty desktop and no response from mouse or keyboard.  Nice doorstop!</p><p>I'm glad this is only my "experimental laptop".<br>I'm not going to be upgrading my desktop just yet.</p><p>Its free, but still a much bigger pain in the rear to get setup than Windows, which I hate...<br>Vista created a lot of ill will, but it was the slickest thing to configure to our home network I've<br>ever seen.  It even auto-detected and installed network printers upon connecting.  I was impressed.<br>Ubuntu, I've gotta manually configure a lot of things, and that's not gonna fly with most users.<br>You can't treat end users like IT professionals.  I'll sit and play with it because I love a challenge,<br>but I can see that I can't trust it as my primary OS, yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jaunty was working fine , been dabbling in Ubuntu for over a year with no real problems.Karmic , however...After upgrading through the Update Manager , I only half boot and then lock up tight looking atan empty desktop and no response from mouse or keyboard .
Nice doorstop ! I 'm glad this is only my " experimental laptop " .I 'm not going to be upgrading my desktop just yet.Its free , but still a much bigger pain in the rear to get setup than Windows , which I hate...Vista created a lot of ill will , but it was the slickest thing to configure to our home network I'veever seen .
It even auto-detected and installed network printers upon connecting .
I was impressed.Ubuntu , I 've got ta manually configure a lot of things , and that 's not gon na fly with most users.You ca n't treat end users like IT professionals .
I 'll sit and play with it because I love a challenge,but I can see that I ca n't trust it as my primary OS , yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jaunty was working fine, been dabbling in Ubuntu for over a year with no real problems.Karmic, however...After upgrading through the Update  Manager, I only half boot and then lock up tight looking atan empty desktop and no response from mouse or keyboard.
Nice doorstop!I'm glad this is only my "experimental laptop".I'm not going to be upgrading my desktop just yet.Its free, but still a much bigger pain in the rear to get setup than Windows, which I hate...Vista created a lot of ill will, but it was the slickest thing to configure to our home network I'veever seen.
It even auto-detected and installed network printers upon connecting.
I was impressed.Ubuntu, I've gotta manually configure a lot of things, and that's not gonna fly with most users.You can't treat end users like IT professionals.
I'll sit and play with it because I love a challenge,but I can see that I can't trust it as my primary OS, yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975600</id>
	<title>Re:No problems here, on two computers</title>
	<author>WalesAlex</author>
	<datestamp>1256985480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Install went great on my laptop as well, and as always when theres been a problem, the solution is never further than a couple of google searches away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Install went great on my laptop as well , and as always when theres been a problem , the solution is never further than a couple of google searches away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install went great on my laptop as well, and as always when theres been a problem, the solution is never further than a couple of google searches away.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971010</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29986710</id>
	<title>I did have some problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to upgrade from Jaunty and completely failed. My problem was I didn't read any of the warnings running around the web. I just hit the upgrade button and restarted my machine. Wow, The upgrade completely tweaked my machine. I knew I was running ext3 but what I didn't realize that the upgrade assumed ext4 and cause I didn't do my research I managed to crack my system. I also ran into some weird mount errors and even thought I had a recovery shell it was read only. I wrangled with it for about 6 hours trying different things. I hit about 20 different online forums to get some help but ultimately I just said the hell with it, got a different machine, created an ISO disc and ran a completely new install on the original machine. I already had my data backed up so for me I only lost my programs and configurations. No big deal for me. The clean install went with out a hitch and so far (knock on wood) I haven't had many problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to upgrade from Jaunty and completely failed .
My problem was I did n't read any of the warnings running around the web .
I just hit the upgrade button and restarted my machine .
Wow , The upgrade completely tweaked my machine .
I knew I was running ext3 but what I did n't realize that the upgrade assumed ext4 and cause I did n't do my research I managed to crack my system .
I also ran into some weird mount errors and even thought I had a recovery shell it was read only .
I wrangled with it for about 6 hours trying different things .
I hit about 20 different online forums to get some help but ultimately I just said the hell with it , got a different machine , created an ISO disc and ran a completely new install on the original machine .
I already had my data backed up so for me I only lost my programs and configurations .
No big deal for me .
The clean install went with out a hitch and so far ( knock on wood ) I have n't had many problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to upgrade from Jaunty and completely failed.
My problem was I didn't read any of the warnings running around the web.
I just hit the upgrade button and restarted my machine.
Wow, The upgrade completely tweaked my machine.
I knew I was running ext3 but what I didn't realize that the upgrade assumed ext4 and cause I didn't do my research I managed to crack my system.
I also ran into some weird mount errors and even thought I had a recovery shell it was read only.
I wrangled with it for about 6 hours trying different things.
I hit about 20 different online forums to get some help but ultimately I just said the hell with it, got a different machine, created an ISO disc and ran a completely new install on the original machine.
I already had my data backed up so for me I only lost my programs and configurations.
No big deal for me.
The clean install went with out a hitch and so far (knock on wood) I haven't had many problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30067352</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My parents upgraded their computer to 9.10 to 9.04 It wasn't able to do a complete upgrade (no space left on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/), So I made some space and continued the upgrade. For the most part it was fine. I had a problem with NVidia drivers but it wasn't hard to fix. Other than that the upgrade went fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My parents upgraded their computer to 9.10 to 9.04 It was n't able to do a complete upgrade ( no space left on / ) , So I made some space and continued the upgrade .
For the most part it was fine .
I had a problem with NVidia drivers but it was n't hard to fix .
Other than that the upgrade went fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My parents upgraded their computer to 9.10 to 9.04 It wasn't able to do a complete upgrade (no space left on /), So I made some space and continued the upgrade.
For the most part it was fine.
I had a problem with NVidia drivers but it wasn't hard to fix.
Other than that the upgrade went fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971720</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had the exact problem in 2000 when I installed Linux (Mandrake) for the first and only time.  No kidding.  Dell commodity hardware too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the exact problem in 2000 when I installed Linux ( Mandrake ) for the first and only time .
No kidding .
Dell commodity hardware too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the exact problem in 2000 when I installed Linux (Mandrake) for the first and only time.
No kidding.
Dell commodity hardware too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970816</id>
	<title>No problems here. . .</title>
	<author>darth\_borehd</author>
	<datestamp>1257251880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 and it is awesome.  Near flawless automatic hardware detection and just amazingly fast.  The look and feel is smooth and polished.  I never thought 9.04 would look so slow and clunky in comparison.  My only complaint is the default background is again not an animal, just a pattern.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(  I was so looking forward to seeing a cute Koala bear on bootup.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 and it is awesome .
Near flawless automatic hardware detection and just amazingly fast .
The look and feel is smooth and polished .
I never thought 9.04 would look so slow and clunky in comparison .
My only complaint is the default background is again not an animal , just a pattern .
: ( I was so looking forward to seeing a cute Koala bear on bootup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 and it is awesome.
Near flawless automatic hardware detection and just amazingly fast.
The look and feel is smooth and polished.
I never thought 9.04 would look so slow and clunky in comparison.
My only complaint is the default background is again not an animal, just a pattern.
:(  I was so looking forward to seeing a cute Koala bear on bootup.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971746</id>
	<title>Official Disclaimer:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257256080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This software is released for free public use under several licenses. It is provided without warranty, without even the implied warranty of merchantability, satisfactoriness or fitness for a particular use.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This software is released for free public use under several licenses .
It is provided without warranty , without even the implied warranty of merchantability , satisfactoriness or fitness for a particular use .
... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This software is released for free public use under several licenses.
It is provided without warranty, without even the implied warranty of merchantability, satisfactoriness or fitness for a particular use.
..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969676</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971426</id>
	<title>Mine.</title>
	<author>pionzypher</author>
	<datestamp>1257254400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Experience on a Lenovo R61i:<br> <br>Upgrade went, well mediocre.  Upgrade failed partially into installation of packages.  Had to run some (since forgotten) dpkg command to clean up.  Restarted upgrade.  This time it completed.<br> <br>After installation was complete upon successful boot everything appeared to work for the most part with the exception of X.  Frame rate while sitting at the desktop with no apps running and compiz disabled was terrible... around 5-20 fps.  All sorts of corruption / artifacts in the ui.  While trying to get online to check launchpad, system hard locked.<br> <br>Restored my image of Jaunty and all is well.<br> <br> <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/416073" title="launchpad.net">This</a> [launchpad.net] was probably the issue I had with X. To be fair it's an upstream.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Experience on a Lenovo R61i : Upgrade went , well mediocre .
Upgrade failed partially into installation of packages .
Had to run some ( since forgotten ) dpkg command to clean up .
Restarted upgrade .
This time it completed .
After installation was complete upon successful boot everything appeared to work for the most part with the exception of X. Frame rate while sitting at the desktop with no apps running and compiz disabled was terrible... around 5-20 fps .
All sorts of corruption / artifacts in the ui .
While trying to get online to check launchpad , system hard locked .
Restored my image of Jaunty and all is well .
This [ launchpad.net ] was probably the issue I had with X. To be fair it 's an upstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Experience on a Lenovo R61i: Upgrade went, well mediocre.
Upgrade failed partially into installation of packages.
Had to run some (since forgotten) dpkg command to clean up.
Restarted upgrade.
This time it completed.
After installation was complete upon successful boot everything appeared to work for the most part with the exception of X.  Frame rate while sitting at the desktop with no apps running and compiz disabled was terrible... around 5-20 fps.
All sorts of corruption / artifacts in the ui.
While trying to get online to check launchpad, system hard locked.
Restored my image of Jaunty and all is well.
This [launchpad.net] was probably the issue I had with X. To be fair it's an upstream.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970352</id>
	<title>No issues</title>
	<author>Sandman1971</author>
	<datestamp>1257250260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded a few days ago without any issues. The only app (so far) that stopped working for me is Handbrake. So far everything else has worked flawlessly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded a few days ago without any issues .
The only app ( so far ) that stopped working for me is Handbrake .
So far everything else has worked flawlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded a few days ago without any issues.
The only app (so far) that stopped working for me is Handbrake.
So far everything else has worked flawlessly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970480</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>diamondsw</author>
	<datestamp>1257250740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, did you say everything went smoothly <i>except you didn't have <b>sound</b> or <b>video</b> </i>?</p><p>That right there is why Linux hasn't gone mainstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , did you say everything went smoothly except you did n't have sound or video ? That right there is why Linux has n't gone mainstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, did you say everything went smoothly except you didn't have sound or video ?That right there is why Linux hasn't gone mainstream.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973696</id>
	<title>sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i am an avid ubuntu user and i upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 the second it came out. it absolutely was a mistake. it took me a few hours to get back my old settings and revert back to 9.04. im waiting until they fix this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i am an avid ubuntu user and i upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 the second it came out .
it absolutely was a mistake .
it took me a few hours to get back my old settings and revert back to 9.04. im waiting until they fix this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i am an avid ubuntu user and i upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 the second it came out.
it absolutely was a mistake.
it took me a few hours to get back my old settings and revert back to 9.04. im waiting until they fix this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969914</id>
	<title>Karma will run over your Dogma</title>
	<author>Phlatline\_ATL</author>
	<datestamp>1257248940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded and promptly broke a couple of things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. the gdk/gtk pixbuf is going to be the biggest pain in the rear.  That took out Eclipse 3.5.1 &amp; Lotus Notes 8.5 (trust me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'd rather use something else but that's what we use @ work).</p><p>There are a couple of other annoyances which I'm sure will be worked out in the near future.</p><p>Biggest gripe I have is GDM with the user picker like WinXP/Vista<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'm not real keen on exposing who's a valid user on the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded and promptly broke a couple of things .. the gdk/gtk pixbuf is going to be the biggest pain in the rear .
That took out Eclipse 3.5.1 &amp; Lotus Notes 8.5 ( trust me ... I 'd rather use something else but that 's what we use @ work ) .There are a couple of other annoyances which I 'm sure will be worked out in the near future.Biggest gripe I have is GDM with the user picker like WinXP/Vista ... I 'm not real keen on exposing who 's a valid user on the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded and promptly broke a couple of things .. the gdk/gtk pixbuf is going to be the biggest pain in the rear.
That took out Eclipse 3.5.1 &amp; Lotus Notes 8.5 (trust me ... I'd rather use something else but that's what we use @ work).There are a couple of other annoyances which I'm sure will be worked out in the near future.Biggest gripe I have is GDM with the user picker like WinXP/Vista ... I'm not real keen on exposing who's a valid user on the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971252</id>
	<title>Best Ubuntu Ever</title>
	<author>pizzap</author>
	<datestamp>1257253620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very smooth upgrade, very little problems on multiple computers.</p><p>From the article:<br>"Still, that proves that Ubuntu has a long road to haul before installing even this popular Linux distro is the no-brainer that helps makes<br>Windows the success it is among regular PC users."</p><p>That's really not how I remember it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very smooth upgrade , very little problems on multiple computers.From the article : " Still , that proves that Ubuntu has a long road to haul before installing even this popular Linux distro is the no-brainer that helps makesWindows the success it is among regular PC users .
" That 's really not how I remember it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very smooth upgrade, very little problems on multiple computers.From the article:"Still, that proves that Ubuntu has a long road to haul before installing even this popular Linux distro is the no-brainer that helps makesWindows the success it is among regular PC users.
"That's really not how I remember it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969774</id>
	<title>Mixed results</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded one machine across ssh which is never a great idea when you won't have physical access ot the machine for a while.</p><p>I'm not sure what happened exactly but it had a hard system hang. I restarted the machine and it wouldn't boot but in maintenance mode it was able to read everything. I remounted the drives read/write and did dpkg -a --configure and it picked back up and finished the install.</p><p>The machine isn't perfect, I get some strange hardware errors during bootup that I haven't had time to troubleshoot but it's functional. I can do all of the same tasks I was doing before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded one machine across ssh which is never a great idea when you wo n't have physical access ot the machine for a while.I 'm not sure what happened exactly but it had a hard system hang .
I restarted the machine and it would n't boot but in maintenance mode it was able to read everything .
I remounted the drives read/write and did dpkg -a --configure and it picked back up and finished the install.The machine is n't perfect , I get some strange hardware errors during bootup that I have n't had time to troubleshoot but it 's functional .
I can do all of the same tasks I was doing before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded one machine across ssh which is never a great idea when you won't have physical access ot the machine for a while.I'm not sure what happened exactly but it had a hard system hang.
I restarted the machine and it wouldn't boot but in maintenance mode it was able to read everything.
I remounted the drives read/write and did dpkg -a --configure and it picked back up and finished the install.The machine isn't perfect, I get some strange hardware errors during bootup that I haven't had time to troubleshoot but it's functional.
I can do all of the same tasks I was doing before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973374</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257268620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.</p></div><p>So you spent 80 hours upgrading the machine?  Why not just backup then install fresh from the latest, then reconfigure.  Surely that would take a hell of a lot less time than 80 hours.  Plus you're 100\% guaranteed not to have any upgrade gotchas.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.So you spent 80 hours upgrading the machine ?
Why not just backup then install fresh from the latest , then reconfigure .
Surely that would take a hell of a lot less time than 80 hours .
Plus you 're 100 \ % guaranteed not to have any upgrade gotchas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.So you spent 80 hours upgrading the machine?
Why not just backup then install fresh from the latest, then reconfigure.
Surely that would take a hell of a lot less time than 80 hours.
Plus you're 100\% guaranteed not to have any upgrade gotchas.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30003552</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>kavin</author>
	<datestamp>1257538320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>: As long as we're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes, let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth. I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another, and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.</p><p>not so lucky with mac parallels. fresh install crashes with being unable to detect optical drive (on which it is booting). not too sure whose's at fault here (appears to be an old kernel problem resurfacing), but mac parallels has a history of delayed ubuntu support. it took 4 months (2 months before the karmic arrived) before jaunty had parallel tools support.</p><p>parallels desktop 4.0 already supports win7 - and that speaks volumes since microsoft's release cycle is rather haphazard while ubuntu's is regular at 6 month intervals. it seems support for arguably the largest/most popular linux distribution[1] is being sidelined - and not for any technical reasons. why is it that they're able to keep up with:</p><p>~ freeBSD 7<br>~ solaris 10</p><p>but ubuntu is a second class citizen?</p><p>my anecdotal evidence++</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>: As long as we 're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes , let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth .
I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another , and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.not so lucky with mac parallels .
fresh install crashes with being unable to detect optical drive ( on which it is booting ) .
not too sure whose 's at fault here ( appears to be an old kernel problem resurfacing ) , but mac parallels has a history of delayed ubuntu support .
it took 4 months ( 2 months before the karmic arrived ) before jaunty had parallel tools support.parallels desktop 4.0 already supports win7 - and that speaks volumes since microsoft 's release cycle is rather haphazard while ubuntu 's is regular at 6 month intervals .
it seems support for arguably the largest/most popular linux distribution [ 1 ] is being sidelined - and not for any technical reasons .
why is it that they 're able to keep up with : ~ freeBSD 7 ~ solaris 10but ubuntu is a second class citizen ? my anecdotal evidence + +</tokentext>
<sentencetext>: As long as we're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes, let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth.
I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another, and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.not so lucky with mac parallels.
fresh install crashes with being unable to detect optical drive (on which it is booting).
not too sure whose's at fault here (appears to be an old kernel problem resurfacing), but mac parallels has a history of delayed ubuntu support.
it took 4 months (2 months before the karmic arrived) before jaunty had parallel tools support.parallels desktop 4.0 already supports win7 - and that speaks volumes since microsoft's release cycle is rather haphazard while ubuntu's is regular at 6 month intervals.
it seems support for arguably the largest/most popular linux distribution[1] is being sidelined - and not for any technical reasons.
why is it that they're able to keep up with:~ freeBSD 7~ solaris 10but ubuntu is a second class citizen?my anecdotal evidence++</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969526</id>
	<title>Professionalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just imagine the amount of bashers if the news would had read;</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Windows 7 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Windows. Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Windows forums.</p></div><p>This again comes from the fact that both Windows and Mac OS X releases are properly tested and maintained and tend to be in more professional quality.</p><p>But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts? It shouldn't be impossible, unless of course, commercial projects are maintained more professionally.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Just imagine the amount of bashers if the news would had read ; Windows 7 is causing outrage and frustration , with early adopters wishing they 'd stuck with previous versions of the Windows .
Blank and flickering screens , failure to recognize hard drives , defaulting to the old kernel , and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll , as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Windows forums.This again comes from the fact that both Windows and Mac OS X releases are properly tested and maintained and tend to be in more professional quality.But why do n't the Linux distros go to same lenghts ?
It should n't be impossible , unless of course , commercial projects are maintained more professionally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just imagine the amount of bashers if the news would had read;Windows 7 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Windows.
Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Windows forums.This again comes from the fact that both Windows and Mac OS X releases are properly tested and maintained and tend to be in more professional quality.But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts?
It shouldn't be impossible, unless of course, commercial projects are maintained more professionally.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969644</id>
	<title>I've upgraded....</title>
	<author>tirk</author>
	<datestamp>1257248160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Against my better judgement I upgraded early on - I'm usually the type to wait awhile and see what people find.  However, I have to say, I've not had any issues other then a 4.5 hour download for the updated packages.  I've been running it a couple days now and not once has anything crashed or given me a problem.  Perhaps it's the fact I'm using a nearly 4 year old laptop though, so all the drivers are fairly stable now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Against my better judgement I upgraded early on - I 'm usually the type to wait awhile and see what people find .
However , I have to say , I 've not had any issues other then a 4.5 hour download for the updated packages .
I 've been running it a couple days now and not once has anything crashed or given me a problem .
Perhaps it 's the fact I 'm using a nearly 4 year old laptop though , so all the drivers are fairly stable now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Against my better judgement I upgraded early on - I'm usually the type to wait awhile and see what people find.
However, I have to say, I've not had any issues other then a 4.5 hour download for the updated packages.
I've been running it a couple days now and not once has anything crashed or given me a problem.
Perhaps it's the fact I'm using a nearly 4 year old laptop though, so all the drivers are fairly stable now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29998002</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>jasonwc</author>
	<datestamp>1257451620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds more like a BIOS issue. I've installed Windows 7 in both AHCI and IDE modes. Both work. The problem normally is that if you install in IDE mode and decide later to switch to native SATA (AHCI), you must change a registry setting or Windows won't boot properly as it won't have loaded the necessary SATA driver.<br><br>Have you upgraded your BIOS to the latest version? I actually found the Windows 7 install to be the easiest OS install I've ever done on Windows or Linux. All my hardware worked after booting. Gigabit LAN. Wireless setup during setup. SATA. eSATA. Audio drivers. They even had a fairly recent Nvidia driver allowing me to enter the system at 1920x1200 - not 800x600. I quickly updated my audio and video drivers and everything worked perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds more like a BIOS issue .
I 've installed Windows 7 in both AHCI and IDE modes .
Both work .
The problem normally is that if you install in IDE mode and decide later to switch to native SATA ( AHCI ) , you must change a registry setting or Windows wo n't boot properly as it wo n't have loaded the necessary SATA driver.Have you upgraded your BIOS to the latest version ?
I actually found the Windows 7 install to be the easiest OS install I 've ever done on Windows or Linux .
All my hardware worked after booting .
Gigabit LAN .
Wireless setup during setup .
SATA. eSATA .
Audio drivers .
They even had a fairly recent Nvidia driver allowing me to enter the system at 1920x1200 - not 800x600 .
I quickly updated my audio and video drivers and everything worked perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds more like a BIOS issue.
I've installed Windows 7 in both AHCI and IDE modes.
Both work.
The problem normally is that if you install in IDE mode and decide later to switch to native SATA (AHCI), you must change a registry setting or Windows won't boot properly as it won't have loaded the necessary SATA driver.Have you upgraded your BIOS to the latest version?
I actually found the Windows 7 install to be the easiest OS install I've ever done on Windows or Linux.
All my hardware worked after booting.
Gigabit LAN.
Wireless setup during setup.
SATA. eSATA.
Audio drivers.
They even had a fairly recent Nvidia driver allowing me to enter the system at 1920x1200 - not 800x600.
I quickly updated my audio and video drivers and everything worked perfectly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970244</id>
	<title>Issues and feedback</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I updated my laptop (Dell 1525 and HP Pavilion) from 9.04 to 9.10 both had major issues. The laptop had several problems with the broad-com drivers. Had to recompile the b43 driver, injection patch, etc etc. The desktop upgraded, but on reboot couldnt find<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda1 (even though it was there). If I booted from another distro I could mount and write the partition. In single mode only read access ess even when mounting.</p><p>I am not a newb to Linux, have tried every distro going back to 1999 from Redhat, Slackware, FreeBSD, on and on.. Ubuntu is a good step in the right direction, don't get me wrong. But still has quite a bit to go. Still it is free, and you there are some areas that Linux in general is far superior then Windows.</p><p>For me and running a consulting business, I ended up going back to Windows 7 on the two machines, with Virtual box to run Ubuntu 9.10. With 6GB of RAM, it works beautifully under Win7\Virtualbox. Even use Virtual Dimension to provide the workspace and RK Launcher to give the OSX style doc. Cygwin for basic shell and a hot key to switch to my running linux VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I updated my laptop ( Dell 1525 and HP Pavilion ) from 9.04 to 9.10 both had major issues .
The laptop had several problems with the broad-com drivers .
Had to recompile the b43 driver , injection patch , etc etc .
The desktop upgraded , but on reboot couldnt find /dev/sda1 ( even though it was there ) .
If I booted from another distro I could mount and write the partition .
In single mode only read access ess even when mounting.I am not a newb to Linux , have tried every distro going back to 1999 from Redhat , Slackware , FreeBSD , on and on.. Ubuntu is a good step in the right direction , do n't get me wrong .
But still has quite a bit to go .
Still it is free , and you there are some areas that Linux in general is far superior then Windows.For me and running a consulting business , I ended up going back to Windows 7 on the two machines , with Virtual box to run Ubuntu 9.10 .
With 6GB of RAM , it works beautifully under Win7 \ Virtualbox .
Even use Virtual Dimension to provide the workspace and RK Launcher to give the OSX style doc .
Cygwin for basic shell and a hot key to switch to my running linux VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I updated my laptop (Dell 1525 and HP Pavilion) from 9.04 to 9.10 both had major issues.
The laptop had several problems with the broad-com drivers.
Had to recompile the b43 driver, injection patch, etc etc.
The desktop upgraded, but on reboot couldnt find /dev/sda1 (even though it was there).
If I booted from another distro I could mount and write the partition.
In single mode only read access ess even when mounting.I am not a newb to Linux, have tried every distro going back to 1999 from Redhat, Slackware, FreeBSD, on and on.. Ubuntu is a good step in the right direction, don't get me wrong.
But still has quite a bit to go.
Still it is free, and you there are some areas that Linux in general is far superior then Windows.For me and running a consulting business, I ended up going back to Windows 7 on the two machines, with Virtual box to run Ubuntu 9.10.
With 6GB of RAM, it works beautifully under Win7\Virtualbox.
Even use Virtual Dimension to provide the workspace and RK Launcher to give the OSX style doc.
Cygwin for basic shell and a hot key to switch to my running linux VM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972046</id>
	<title>My upgrade experience</title>
	<author>jargon82</author>
	<datestamp>1257258000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've just upgraded my T61 laptop today.  Had no issues to speak of, everything went smoothly, and I'm up and running 9.10.
Now, also today I made some changes to my partitions, and now my win 7 partition doesn't quite work right (boots sort of but doesn't login) so there you are.  Guess I'll be fixing that install, but Ubuntu 9.10 is here to stay... for now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just upgraded my T61 laptop today .
Had no issues to speak of , everything went smoothly , and I 'm up and running 9.10 .
Now , also today I made some changes to my partitions , and now my win 7 partition does n't quite work right ( boots sort of but does n't login ) so there you are .
Guess I 'll be fixing that install , but Ubuntu 9.10 is here to stay... for now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just upgraded my T61 laptop today.
Had no issues to speak of, everything went smoothly, and I'm up and running 9.10.
Now, also today I made some changes to my partitions, and now my win 7 partition doesn't quite work right (boots sort of but doesn't login) so there you are.
Guess I'll be fixing that install, but Ubuntu 9.10 is here to stay... for now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970386</id>
	<title>why the hell do I need a subject /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>running karmic since mid-beta. no problems with hard drives, flickering screens. haven't noticed and/or cared about the kernel version; and I'm just assuming \_some\_ encryption works (eg SSL/OpenSSH/whatever) I haven't tried folder/drive encryption. feels much like ubuntu linux to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>running karmic since mid-beta .
no problems with hard drives , flickering screens .
have n't noticed and/or cared about the kernel version ; and I 'm just assuming \ _some \ _ encryption works ( eg SSL/OpenSSH/whatever ) I have n't tried folder/drive encryption .
feels much like ubuntu linux to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>running karmic since mid-beta.
no problems with hard drives, flickering screens.
haven't noticed and/or cared about the kernel version; and I'm just assuming \_some\_ encryption works (eg SSL/OpenSSH/whatever) I haven't tried folder/drive encryption.
feels much like ubuntu linux to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972802</id>
	<title>Two laptops: one OK, the other borked ...</title>
	<author>kbahey</author>
	<datestamp>1257263580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, I upgraded my own laptop from Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) to Kubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) on Saturday. The GUI upgrade refused to run. So I did it from the command line using the do-release-upgrade command, and it was successful.</p><p>The <a href="http://baheyeldin.com/technology/linux/intel-wireless-wifi-link-5100-iwlagn-kubuntu-karmic-koala-910.html" title="baheyeldin.com">Intel Wifi Link 5100 did not work</a> [baheyeldin.com] but I was able to compile it from source and get it going, like I did on 9.04.</p><p>The second problem was power management. The laptop got so hot, up to 63C (normally it is between 42C to 49C). Guidance Power Manager did not detect when the AC was plugged, although at the ACPI level (/proc/acpi) showed that events were detected. The solution was simple: edit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot/grub/menu.lst and add:</p><blockquote><div><p>acpi\_os="Linux"</p></div></blockquote><p>At the end of the line that has "ro quiet splash" in it.</p><p>Now the laptop works fine, and I am typing this from it. KDE4 on 9.10 is far better than KDE4 on 9.04 which was too broken.</p><p>Then, I proceeded with another laptop, also Toshiba, but older CPU. This one refused to boot after the upgrade.</p><p>It would show:</p><blockquote><div><p>Begin: Loading essential drivers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Done.<br>Begin: Running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/scripts/init-premount<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Done.<br>Begin: Mounting root file system<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Begin: Running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/scripts/local-top<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Done.<br>Begin: Running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/scripts/local-premount<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>[   3.710938] PM: Starting manual resume from disk<br>Done.<br>[   3.728858] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds<br>[   3.728942] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.<br>Begin: Running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/scripts/local-bottom<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Done.<br>Done.<br>Begin: Running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/scripts/init-botton<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Done.<br>mount: can't find<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home/public in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/fstab or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/mtab</p></div></blockquote><p>Then nothing. No prompt, no GUI,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... stuck there.</p><p>This is reported on launchpad, but none of the solutions mentioned there worked for me.</p><p>Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del did indeed work though<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>I used boot options like noresume, acpi=off, single, to no avail.</p><p>Was able to change the grub command line to "<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... rw init=/bin/bash", and get a prompt. I connected the ethernet cable, got an IP address, and ran "aptitude update &amp;&amp; aptitude full-upgrade" and made sure there are no pending updates. Still no go.</p><p>I regenerated the initrd image using update-initramfs -k all -c, and ran update-grub as well. No go still<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Running dpkg-reconfigure -a did not help either (and complains about upstart socket not being there).</p><p>I booted from an old Kubuntu disk and connected a USB drive and made a backup of the home directory. Then booted from a fresh Kubuntu 9.10 i386 desktop CD, but the fonts were all borked: too big to be useful, and most popup dialogs (e.g. when you press on the K start button) are unreadable, so can't even proceed with a full clean install.</p><p>Not sure what to do for that second laptop. I am hesitant of doing 2 more now that I am stuck on that one.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So , I upgraded my own laptop from Kubuntu 9.04 ( Jaunty ) to Kubuntu 9.10 ( Karmic ) on Saturday .
The GUI upgrade refused to run .
So I did it from the command line using the do-release-upgrade command , and it was successful.The Intel Wifi Link 5100 did not work [ baheyeldin.com ] but I was able to compile it from source and get it going , like I did on 9.04.The second problem was power management .
The laptop got so hot , up to 63C ( normally it is between 42C to 49C ) .
Guidance Power Manager did not detect when the AC was plugged , although at the ACPI level ( /proc/acpi ) showed that events were detected .
The solution was simple : edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add : acpi \ _os = " Linux " At the end of the line that has " ro quiet splash " in it.Now the laptop works fine , and I am typing this from it .
KDE4 on 9.10 is far better than KDE4 on 9.04 which was too broken.Then , I proceeded with another laptop , also Toshiba , but older CPU .
This one refused to boot after the upgrade.It would show : Begin : Loading essential drivers ...Done.Begin : Running /scripts/init-premount ...Done.Begin : Mounting root file system ...Begin : Running /scripts/local-top ...Done.Begin : Running /scripts/local-premount ... [ 3.710938 ] PM : Starting manual resume from diskDone .
[ 3.728858 ] kjournald starting .
Commit interval 5 seconds [ 3.728942 ] EXT3-fs : mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.Begin : Running /scripts/local-bottom ...Done.Done.Begin : Running /scripts/init-botton ...Done.mount : ca n't find /home/public in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtabThen nothing .
No prompt , no GUI , ... stuck there.This is reported on launchpad , but none of the solutions mentioned there worked for me.Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del did indeed work though ...I used boot options like noresume , acpi = off , single , to no avail.Was able to change the grub command line to " ... rw init = /bin/bash " , and get a prompt .
I connected the ethernet cable , got an IP address , and ran " aptitude update &amp;&amp; aptitude full-upgrade " and made sure there are no pending updates .
Still no go.I regenerated the initrd image using update-initramfs -k all -c , and ran update-grub as well .
No go still ...Running dpkg-reconfigure -a did not help either ( and complains about upstart socket not being there ) .I booted from an old Kubuntu disk and connected a USB drive and made a backup of the home directory .
Then booted from a fresh Kubuntu 9.10 i386 desktop CD , but the fonts were all borked : too big to be useful , and most popup dialogs ( e.g .
when you press on the K start button ) are unreadable , so ca n't even proceed with a full clean install.Not sure what to do for that second laptop .
I am hesitant of doing 2 more now that I am stuck on that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I upgraded my own laptop from Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) to Kubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) on Saturday.
The GUI upgrade refused to run.
So I did it from the command line using the do-release-upgrade command, and it was successful.The Intel Wifi Link 5100 did not work [baheyeldin.com] but I was able to compile it from source and get it going, like I did on 9.04.The second problem was power management.
The laptop got so hot, up to 63C (normally it is between 42C to 49C).
Guidance Power Manager did not detect when the AC was plugged, although at the ACPI level (/proc/acpi) showed that events were detected.
The solution was simple: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add:acpi\_os="Linux"At the end of the line that has "ro quiet splash" in it.Now the laptop works fine, and I am typing this from it.
KDE4 on 9.10 is far better than KDE4 on 9.04 which was too broken.Then, I proceeded with another laptop, also Toshiba, but older CPU.
This one refused to boot after the upgrade.It would show:Begin: Loading essential drivers ...Done.Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ...Done.Begin: Mounting root file system ...Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ...Done.Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...[   3.710938] PM: Starting manual resume from diskDone.
[   3.728858] kjournald starting.
Commit interval 5 seconds[   3.728942] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ...Done.Done.Begin: Running /scripts/init-botton ...Done.mount: can't find /home/public in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtabThen nothing.
No prompt, no GUI, ... stuck there.This is reported on launchpad, but none of the solutions mentioned there worked for me.Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del did indeed work though ...I used boot options like noresume, acpi=off, single, to no avail.Was able to change the grub command line to " ... rw init=/bin/bash", and get a prompt.
I connected the ethernet cable, got an IP address, and ran "aptitude update &amp;&amp; aptitude full-upgrade" and made sure there are no pending updates.
Still no go.I regenerated the initrd image using update-initramfs -k all -c, and ran update-grub as well.
No go still ...Running dpkg-reconfigure -a did not help either (and complains about upstart socket not being there).I booted from an old Kubuntu disk and connected a USB drive and made a backup of the home directory.
Then booted from a fresh Kubuntu 9.10 i386 desktop CD, but the fonts were all borked: too big to be useful, and most popup dialogs (e.g.
when you press on the K start button) are unreadable, so can't even proceed with a full clean install.Not sure what to do for that second laptop.
I am hesitant of doing 2 more now that I am stuck on that one.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970532</id>
	<title>More pain than gain</title>
	<author>pangloss</author>
	<datestamp>1257250920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Went from Jaunty to Karmic on a Dell Mini 9 (both were the Netbook Remix editions) and was greeted with no wireless and no microphone in Skype. The former is a <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/449268" title="launchpad.net">documented</a> [launchpad.net] issue with the Broadcom drivers and has a fairly straightforward workaround if you're within reach of a wired ethernet connection. The latter appears to be a problem with Skype 2.1.0.47 (current version in Medibuntu for Karmic, and a "beta" no less) and PulseAudio. So far, the workarounds for the latter appear to be to downgrade Skype or remove Pulse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Went from Jaunty to Karmic on a Dell Mini 9 ( both were the Netbook Remix editions ) and was greeted with no wireless and no microphone in Skype .
The former is a documented [ launchpad.net ] issue with the Broadcom drivers and has a fairly straightforward workaround if you 're within reach of a wired ethernet connection .
The latter appears to be a problem with Skype 2.1.0.47 ( current version in Medibuntu for Karmic , and a " beta " no less ) and PulseAudio .
So far , the workarounds for the latter appear to be to downgrade Skype or remove Pulse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Went from Jaunty to Karmic on a Dell Mini 9 (both were the Netbook Remix editions) and was greeted with no wireless and no microphone in Skype.
The former is a documented [launchpad.net] issue with the Broadcom drivers and has a fairly straightforward workaround if you're within reach of a wired ethernet connection.
The latter appears to be a problem with Skype 2.1.0.47 (current version in Medibuntu for Karmic, and a "beta" no less) and PulseAudio.
So far, the workarounds for the latter appear to be to downgrade Skype or remove Pulse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973430</id>
	<title>just my 2 cents</title>
	<author>bean.java</author>
	<datestamp>1257269100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>just my 2 cents.... i downloaded the iso thursday evening(day of release) realized my cdrw's got used for coasters(damn kids) so i chroot installed it and guess what.... it just work grant this is a p4 with 1g of ram but damn its nice.... already building liveusbs for the family to use.... musical computers/netbooks/laptops/friends' computers uggghh but i haven't been able to find problems....maybe because i installed it alternative cd to ubuntu-standard to lubuntu-desktop(once i got a new set of cdrw's) but i can't find a problem...except that if your disk is meant to be scanned on mount it scans in the background still booting all the way to gui (separate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition) but hey once i figured that out its all good

used ubuntu since 6.06 and only look back so i can laugh(upgrade from 98se and 2kpro)</htmltext>
<tokenext>just my 2 cents.... i downloaded the iso thursday evening ( day of release ) realized my cdrw 's got used for coasters ( damn kids ) so i chroot installed it and guess what.... it just work grant this is a p4 with 1g of ram but damn its nice.... already building liveusbs for the family to use.... musical computers/netbooks/laptops/friends ' computers uggghh but i have n't been able to find problems....maybe because i installed it alternative cd to ubuntu-standard to lubuntu-desktop ( once i got a new set of cdrw 's ) but i ca n't find a problem...except that if your disk is meant to be scanned on mount it scans in the background still booting all the way to gui ( separate /home partition ) but hey once i figured that out its all good used ubuntu since 6.06 and only look back so i can laugh ( upgrade from 98se and 2kpro )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just my 2 cents.... i downloaded the iso thursday evening(day of release) realized my cdrw's got used for coasters(damn kids) so i chroot installed it and guess what.... it just work grant this is a p4 with 1g of ram but damn its nice.... already building liveusbs for the family to use.... musical computers/netbooks/laptops/friends' computers uggghh but i haven't been able to find problems....maybe because i installed it alternative cd to ubuntu-standard to lubuntu-desktop(once i got a new set of cdrw's) but i can't find a problem...except that if your disk is meant to be scanned on mount it scans in the background still booting all the way to gui (separate /home partition) but hey once i figured that out its all good

used ubuntu since 6.06 and only look back so i can laugh(upgrade from 98se and 2kpro)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969874</id>
	<title>Rhythmbox started skipping...</title>
	<author>ShopMgr</author>
	<datestamp>1257248760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Don't know if this was due to the upgrade or to my Virtualbox usage.  Anyway, tried Amarok, still can't make sense of the settings, so I went with Banshee.  Seems to be fine.

Did have one instance where the system went to sleep or it ignored the fancy apple keyboard and wouldn't wake up.  So I rebooted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't know if this was due to the upgrade or to my Virtualbox usage .
Anyway , tried Amarok , still ca n't make sense of the settings , so I went with Banshee .
Seems to be fine .
Did have one instance where the system went to sleep or it ignored the fancy apple keyboard and would n't wake up .
So I rebooted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't know if this was due to the upgrade or to my Virtualbox usage.
Anyway, tried Amarok, still can't make sense of the settings, so I went with Banshee.
Seems to be fine.
Did have one instance where the system went to sleep or it ignored the fancy apple keyboard and wouldn't wake up.
So I rebooted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974868</id>
	<title>This is why I'm not that early an adopter.</title>
	<author>TheWormThatFlies</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There are problems to be ironed out in every new release; it's inevitable that when many people suddenly start using the software on a wide range of hardware combinations, all kinds of previously unnoticed bugs are going to be found.</p><p>All the people I know who download and install the latest release the second it becomes available are very enthusiastic fans who are prepared to fiddle around and fix things and file bug reports.  I don't really feel a burning need to upgrade as soon as I possibly can.  I order a nice, packaged DVD and wait for it to arrive.  By the time it does, the most egregious problems have usually been fixed.  I've never had a show-stopping upgrade problem.  The worst I've had to do is regenerate my xorg.conf (but that's so minimal now that it never happens anymore) or make sure that I had actually rebooted properly after the upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are problems to be ironed out in every new release ; it 's inevitable that when many people suddenly start using the software on a wide range of hardware combinations , all kinds of previously unnoticed bugs are going to be found.All the people I know who download and install the latest release the second it becomes available are very enthusiastic fans who are prepared to fiddle around and fix things and file bug reports .
I do n't really feel a burning need to upgrade as soon as I possibly can .
I order a nice , packaged DVD and wait for it to arrive .
By the time it does , the most egregious problems have usually been fixed .
I 've never had a show-stopping upgrade problem .
The worst I 've had to do is regenerate my xorg.conf ( but that 's so minimal now that it never happens anymore ) or make sure that I had actually rebooted properly after the upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are problems to be ironed out in every new release; it's inevitable that when many people suddenly start using the software on a wide range of hardware combinations, all kinds of previously unnoticed bugs are going to be found.All the people I know who download and install the latest release the second it becomes available are very enthusiastic fans who are prepared to fiddle around and fix things and file bug reports.
I don't really feel a burning need to upgrade as soon as I possibly can.
I order a nice, packaged DVD and wait for it to arrive.
By the time it does, the most egregious problems have usually been fixed.
I've never had a show-stopping upgrade problem.
The worst I've had to do is regenerate my xorg.conf (but that's so minimal now that it never happens anymore) or make sure that I had actually rebooted properly after the upgrade.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29987114</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's what you call working flawlessly? When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command?</p><p>Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.</p></div><p>Canonical is obviously attempting to bring Ubuntu more into line with the expectations of Windows users.  This is a good start.</p><p>Clearly the year of linux on the desktop is not far off.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's what you call working flawlessly ?
When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command ? Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.Canonical is obviously attempting to bring Ubuntu more into line with the expectations of Windows users .
This is a good start.Clearly the year of linux on the desktop is not far off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you call working flawlessly?
When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command?Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.Canonical is obviously attempting to bring Ubuntu more into line with the expectations of Windows users.
This is a good start.Clearly the year of linux on the desktop is not far off.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973060</id>
	<title>Re:They should stay in Beta mode way longer</title>
	<author>Stray7Xi</author>
	<datestamp>1257265860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had minor issues moving from 9.10 from 9.04.  Specifically my RAlink wifi usb would "connect" but be unable to form tcp connections (while icmp worked fine).  I added one of the drivers to the blacklist in modprobe.d and it worked flawlessly since then.  In fact I haven't been dropped yet (which I usually got drop once a day before).  I won't pretend to understand this, so I take no responsibility, but it might help.  Actually now looking up the issue, I found a good thread on this: <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1256810" title="ubuntuforums.org">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1256810</a> [ubuntuforums.org].  I stumbled through it blacklisted both rt2870sta and rt2800usb and apparently am using the rt3070sta now successfully.</p><p>On a side note, this laptop has a dead builtin wifi card controlled by a switch.  If I accidently flip that switch in windows, it locks up and I haven't found a way to disable it.  At least in Ubuntu it doesn't once I have the broadcom driver disabled.  If I had read this article a few days ago, I probably wouldn't have bothered upgrading.  But thankfully things worked out relatively well for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had minor issues moving from 9.10 from 9.04 .
Specifically my RAlink wifi usb would " connect " but be unable to form tcp connections ( while icmp worked fine ) .
I added one of the drivers to the blacklist in modprobe.d and it worked flawlessly since then .
In fact I have n't been dropped yet ( which I usually got drop once a day before ) .
I wo n't pretend to understand this , so I take no responsibility , but it might help .
Actually now looking up the issue , I found a good thread on this : http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 1256810 [ ubuntuforums.org ] .
I stumbled through it blacklisted both rt2870sta and rt2800usb and apparently am using the rt3070sta now successfully.On a side note , this laptop has a dead builtin wifi card controlled by a switch .
If I accidently flip that switch in windows , it locks up and I have n't found a way to disable it .
At least in Ubuntu it does n't once I have the broadcom driver disabled .
If I had read this article a few days ago , I probably would n't have bothered upgrading .
But thankfully things worked out relatively well for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had minor issues moving from 9.10 from 9.04.
Specifically my RAlink wifi usb would "connect" but be unable to form tcp connections (while icmp worked fine).
I added one of the drivers to the blacklist in modprobe.d and it worked flawlessly since then.
In fact I haven't been dropped yet (which I usually got drop once a day before).
I won't pretend to understand this, so I take no responsibility, but it might help.
Actually now looking up the issue, I found a good thread on this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1256810 [ubuntuforums.org].
I stumbled through it blacklisted both rt2870sta and rt2800usb and apparently am using the rt3070sta now successfully.On a side note, this laptop has a dead builtin wifi card controlled by a switch.
If I accidently flip that switch in windows, it locks up and I haven't found a way to disable it.
At least in Ubuntu it doesn't once I have the broadcom driver disabled.
If I had read this article a few days ago, I probably wouldn't have bothered upgrading.
But thankfully things worked out relatively well for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970026</id>
	<title>No big problems upgrading from kubuntu 9.04-9.10</title>
	<author>joib</author>
	<datestamp>1257249180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some observations from my brief experience</p><p>Updating in general went completely pain-free. Well, except for the servers time-outing when I tried to update on the day of the release, so I had to postpone one day.</p><p>Regressions:</p><p>Audio occasionally pops; due to some power saving stuff, solution: comment out a single line: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html" title="ubuntu.com">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html</a> [ubuntu.com]</p><p>Fonts were ugly in the beginning, turned out to be due to an old ~/.Xresources I had lying around that made my apps use the old X core fonts instead of fontconfig. No idea why it previously worked fine on 9.04. But nothing I can blame ubuntu devs on really.</p><p>Bugs:</p><p>The new perf tool coming with the 2.6.31+ kernels is missing: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/428159" title="launchpad.net">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/428159</a> [launchpad.net]</p><p>Some OpenGL apps such as google earth flicker when using a compositing desktop. This is apparently a fundamental problem with the existing DRI architecture. Solution is to switch to DRI2, whenever that is ready. Again, not Ubuntu's fault really.</p><p>Improvements:</p><p>KDE 4.3.x instead of 4.2.x. Boatloads of improvements and bugfixes. And of course, also other updated apps, such as firefox 3.5, emacs 23.1 etc.</p><p>Open source radeon drivers can run OpenGL stuff with my X1550 without crashing (9.04 hard locked the machine within minutes).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some observations from my brief experienceUpdating in general went completely pain-free .
Well , except for the servers time-outing when I tried to update on the day of the release , so I had to postpone one day.Regressions : Audio occasionally pops ; due to some power saving stuff , solution : comment out a single line : https : //lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html [ ubuntu.com ] Fonts were ugly in the beginning , turned out to be due to an old ~ /.Xresources I had lying around that made my apps use the old X core fonts instead of fontconfig .
No idea why it previously worked fine on 9.04 .
But nothing I can blame ubuntu devs on really.Bugs : The new perf tool coming with the 2.6.31 + kernels is missing : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/linux/ + bug/428159 [ launchpad.net ] Some OpenGL apps such as google earth flicker when using a compositing desktop .
This is apparently a fundamental problem with the existing DRI architecture .
Solution is to switch to DRI2 , whenever that is ready .
Again , not Ubuntu 's fault really.Improvements : KDE 4.3.x instead of 4.2.x .
Boatloads of improvements and bugfixes .
And of course , also other updated apps , such as firefox 3.5 , emacs 23.1 etc.Open source radeon drivers can run OpenGL stuff with my X1550 without crashing ( 9.04 hard locked the machine within minutes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some observations from my brief experienceUpdating in general went completely pain-free.
Well, except for the servers time-outing when I tried to update on the day of the release, so I had to postpone one day.Regressions:Audio occasionally pops; due to some power saving stuff, solution: comment out a single line: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html [ubuntu.com]Fonts were ugly in the beginning, turned out to be due to an old ~/.Xresources I had lying around that made my apps use the old X core fonts instead of fontconfig.
No idea why it previously worked fine on 9.04.
But nothing I can blame ubuntu devs on really.Bugs:The new perf tool coming with the 2.6.31+ kernels is missing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/428159 [launchpad.net]Some OpenGL apps such as google earth flicker when using a compositing desktop.
This is apparently a fundamental problem with the existing DRI architecture.
Solution is to switch to DRI2, whenever that is ready.
Again, not Ubuntu's fault really.Improvements:KDE 4.3.x instead of 4.2.x.
Boatloads of improvements and bugfixes.
And of course, also other updated apps, such as firefox 3.5, emacs 23.1 etc.Open source radeon drivers can run OpenGL stuff with my X1550 without crashing (9.04 hard locked the machine within minutes).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970278</id>
	<title>Happy with it - 21 installs in commercial env</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have rolled out 9.10 to all the desktops here at work.  Normally I wouldn't have done this but we test each release and 9.10 was simply so much faster for what we do that rolling it out was worth the risk.</p><p>Basically I build a single test machine with all the software and settings ready to go and I simply use g4l across the network to propagate it.  Ldap authentication, NFS mounted homes all worked perfectly.  The biggest advantage is we use a bespoke mysql backed database and the speed and responsiveness of this application is 100\% better.</p><p>Seat of the pants benchmarking also says opening of emails (thunderbird imap), documents and PDFs is also heaps quicker.</p><p>Machines are all pretty similar - AMD x2 processors ranging between 4k &amp; 6k, 2gb ram, 80gb sata drives, gigabyte motherboards with everything on board.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have rolled out 9.10 to all the desktops here at work .
Normally I would n't have done this but we test each release and 9.10 was simply so much faster for what we do that rolling it out was worth the risk.Basically I build a single test machine with all the software and settings ready to go and I simply use g4l across the network to propagate it .
Ldap authentication , NFS mounted homes all worked perfectly .
The biggest advantage is we use a bespoke mysql backed database and the speed and responsiveness of this application is 100 \ % better.Seat of the pants benchmarking also says opening of emails ( thunderbird imap ) , documents and PDFs is also heaps quicker.Machines are all pretty similar - AMD x2 processors ranging between 4k &amp; 6k , 2gb ram , 80gb sata drives , gigabyte motherboards with everything on board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have rolled out 9.10 to all the desktops here at work.
Normally I wouldn't have done this but we test each release and 9.10 was simply so much faster for what we do that rolling it out was worth the risk.Basically I build a single test machine with all the software and settings ready to go and I simply use g4l across the network to propagate it.
Ldap authentication, NFS mounted homes all worked perfectly.
The biggest advantage is we use a bespoke mysql backed database and the speed and responsiveness of this application is 100\% better.Seat of the pants benchmarking also says opening of emails (thunderbird imap), documents and PDFs is also heaps quicker.Machines are all pretty similar - AMD x2 processors ranging between 4k &amp; 6k, 2gb ram, 80gb sata drives, gigabyte motherboards with everything on board.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979698</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>arnodf</author>
	<datestamp>1257009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my opinion it's great. Had some problems with the clean install (locking, extremely slow) but after the first update all went fine (except for a few crashes).
I used 8.10 and had to skip 9.04 because that one was a real pain in the ass. So far I've had a few kernel crashes but that should be fixed soon, regarding the amount of times it has been mentioned on launchpad and kerneloops. Luckily these kernelcrashes don't mean I have too reboot, the screen just locks (like the option under screensaver) and I have to give my password after which I can continue my work.

For the rest: All fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion it 's great .
Had some problems with the clean install ( locking , extremely slow ) but after the first update all went fine ( except for a few crashes ) .
I used 8.10 and had to skip 9.04 because that one was a real pain in the ass .
So far I 've had a few kernel crashes but that should be fixed soon , regarding the amount of times it has been mentioned on launchpad and kerneloops .
Luckily these kernelcrashes do n't mean I have too reboot , the screen just locks ( like the option under screensaver ) and I have to give my password after which I can continue my work .
For the rest : All fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion it's great.
Had some problems with the clean install (locking, extremely slow) but after the first update all went fine (except for a few crashes).
I used 8.10 and had to skip 9.04 because that one was a real pain in the ass.
So far I've had a few kernel crashes but that should be fixed soon, regarding the amount of times it has been mentioned on launchpad and kerneloops.
Luckily these kernelcrashes don't mean I have too reboot, the screen just locks (like the option under screensaver) and I have to give my password after which I can continue my work.
For the rest: All fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970168</id>
	<title>Re:All right, except for GRUB2</title>
	<author>suisui</author>
	<datestamp>1257249720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Similar story here. I remember tearing my hair with all the bugs when Hardy came out, but Karmic hasn't done anything like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Similar story here .
I remember tearing my hair with all the bugs when Hardy came out , but Karmic has n't done anything like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similar story here.
I remember tearing my hair with all the bugs when Hardy came out, but Karmic hasn't done anything like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970424</id>
	<title>bumpy ride and lovin' it!</title>
	<author>ehovland</author>
	<datestamp>1257250500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason I totally disregarded any warnings about this upgrade. I didn't uninstall the Qt scripting binding I had been told would break an upgrade and I didn't even bother to look up instructions. And as such, getting there was difficult. Now I am there, doing all of those things I should have let the upgrade task do (like hand edit menu.lst). I like it. Kubuntu looks great. And everything I have tried has worked. But it has only been 5 days. I am sure that others have had different experiences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason I totally disregarded any warnings about this upgrade .
I did n't uninstall the Qt scripting binding I had been told would break an upgrade and I did n't even bother to look up instructions .
And as such , getting there was difficult .
Now I am there , doing all of those things I should have let the upgrade task do ( like hand edit menu.lst ) .
I like it .
Kubuntu looks great .
And everything I have tried has worked .
But it has only been 5 days .
I am sure that others have had different experiences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason I totally disregarded any warnings about this upgrade.
I didn't uninstall the Qt scripting binding I had been told would break an upgrade and I didn't even bother to look up instructions.
And as such, getting there was difficult.
Now I am there, doing all of those things I should have let the upgrade task do (like hand edit menu.lst).
I like it.
Kubuntu looks great.
And everything I have tried has worked.
But it has only been 5 days.
I am sure that others have had different experiences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29983420</id>
	<title>Mines works fine.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had 9.10 since it can out and not had a problem with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had 9.10 since it can out and not had a problem with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had 9.10 since it can out and not had a problem with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973390</id>
	<title>Shoulda been Karmic Khameleon...</title>
	<author>FlyByPC</author>
	<datestamp>1257268740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...or would that have made it SuSE?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...or would that have made it SuSE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or would that have made it SuSE?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976268</id>
	<title>goomior</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Failed to get Ubuntu 9.10 working instantly on Lenovo T500. I've made a fresh install and got flickering screen on Radeon HD3650. Switching to integrated Intel 4500 solved this issue. Another fresh install on IBM/Lenovo T43 went fine with no problems. I think the most annoying regression in Karmic is broken support for Huawei E220.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Failed to get Ubuntu 9.10 working instantly on Lenovo T500 .
I 've made a fresh install and got flickering screen on Radeon HD3650 .
Switching to integrated Intel 4500 solved this issue .
Another fresh install on IBM/Lenovo T43 went fine with no problems .
I think the most annoying regression in Karmic is broken support for Huawei E220 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Failed to get Ubuntu 9.10 working instantly on Lenovo T500.
I've made a fresh install and got flickering screen on Radeon HD3650.
Switching to integrated Intel 4500 solved this issue.
Another fresh install on IBM/Lenovo T43 went fine with no problems.
I think the most annoying regression in Karmic is broken support for Huawei E220.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969800</id>
	<title>Hate to say it but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't want to admit it but Windows 7 seems to be the most stable, best OS release of this year.  Considering the last two renditions of ubuntu to have been nothing less than shit, and the lackluster vista-like release of snow leopard which did nothing but slow my computer down.  In it's favor linux is much more than just ubuntu but publicly, ubuntu is still one of the most user-friendly versions distributions of linux.</p><p>*note I have installed 9.10 on two machines and had to rollback both installations due to multiple failures on both machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't want to admit it but Windows 7 seems to be the most stable , best OS release of this year .
Considering the last two renditions of ubuntu to have been nothing less than shit , and the lackluster vista-like release of snow leopard which did nothing but slow my computer down .
In it 's favor linux is much more than just ubuntu but publicly , ubuntu is still one of the most user-friendly versions distributions of linux .
* note I have installed 9.10 on two machines and had to rollback both installations due to multiple failures on both machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't want to admit it but Windows 7 seems to be the most stable, best OS release of this year.
Considering the last two renditions of ubuntu to have been nothing less than shit, and the lackluster vista-like release of snow leopard which did nothing but slow my computer down.
In it's favor linux is much more than just ubuntu but publicly, ubuntu is still one of the most user-friendly versions distributions of linux.
*note I have installed 9.10 on two machines and had to rollback both installations due to multiple failures on both machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970884</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>daffmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257252120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardly "let's push out on the Windows 7 day, no matter what". That date (certainly the month) has been set since Ubuntu began. With only one exception (if I recall correctly) they've released on schedule.</p><p>Now, whether being beholden so tightly to a schedule is a good idea is another matter, but it definitely was nothing to do with the Windows launch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly " let 's push out on the Windows 7 day , no matter what " .
That date ( certainly the month ) has been set since Ubuntu began .
With only one exception ( if I recall correctly ) they 've released on schedule.Now , whether being beholden so tightly to a schedule is a good idea is another matter , but it definitely was nothing to do with the Windows launch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly "let's push out on the Windows 7 day, no matter what".
That date (certainly the month) has been set since Ubuntu began.
With only one exception (if I recall correctly) they've released on schedule.Now, whether being beholden so tightly to a schedule is a good idea is another matter, but it definitely was nothing to do with the Windows launch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971308</id>
	<title>Partially stung... but still working</title>
	<author>Da Web Guru</author>
	<datestamp>1257253920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran into the following issues:</p><p>The upgrade process - I couldn't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI, which was very annoying...</p><p>Encryption - When booting my system, the system apparently complains that one of the partitions is unable to be mounted. This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff. When I enter the crypto key, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't work, I have to drop to the shell, run "cryptdisks stop", then run "cryptdisks start" before it lets me go forward. It still complains about the swap partition (not encrypted, so it is tied to another issue), even though it successfully starts swap. All this, of course, is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key (I had to add "tries=99" to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/crypttab)<br>I ran into the following issues:</p><p>The upgrade process - I couldn't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI, which was very annoying...</p><p>Encrypted partitions - When booting my system, the system now complains that one of the partitions listed in fstab is unable to be mounted. This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff. (In Jaunty it just asked be for the crypto key without complaining about anything.) When I enter the crypto key, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't work, I have to drop to the shell, run "cryptdisks stop", then run "cryptdisks start" before it lets me go forward. It still complains about the swap partition (not encrypted, so it is tied to another issue), even though it successfully starts swap. All this, of course, is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key. (I had to add "tries=99" to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/crypttab before the system wouldn't try to boot without my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition...)</p><p>VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager didn't support PPTP properly. Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC, but only when launching it from the command line. I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic (hoping they have worked around the issues), but I am still having problems. It now allows me to configure the VPN connection (I couldn't do that at all in Jaunty), but I can't start the VPNC VPN properly. Well, actually, I can start it, and can connect to the VPN, but knetworkmanager doesn't recognize that it has started (knetworkmanager doesn't change the status and won't allow me to stop the VPN). The only way to stop the VPN is to manually kill the VPN processes from the command line.</p><p>Laptop lid close - When closing the laptop lid in Jaunty, my screen would shut off and the screen saver would start. Now, when closing the lid, the screen does not shut off.</p><p>Laptop suspend/resume - When closing the lid in Jaunty, the system would automatically suspend to RAM and power down, and the screen would be locked upon resuming. Now, closing the lid gives mixed results. The system does not always suspend to RAM. Before I started playing with the power settings, if I closed the lid after starting the screensaver, it would not suspend. If I closed it without starting the screensaver, it would *sometimes* suspend properly, but if it actually suspends to RAM it would take forever to come back.</p><p>Honestly, if these issues don't clear up soon (i.e., by next weekend before I go back to work), I will have no choice but to wipe my system and revert back to Jaunty.<br>VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager didn't support PPTP properly. Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC, but only when launching it from the command line. I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic (hoping they have worked around the issues), but I am still having problems. It now allows me to configure the VPN connection (I couldn't do that at all in Jaunty), but I can't start the VPN properly. Well, actually, I can start it, and can connect to the VPN, but knetworkmanager doesn't recognize that it has started (knetworkmanager doesn't change the status and won't allow me to stop the VP</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into the following issues : The upgrade process - I could n't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI , which was very annoying...Encryption - When booting my system , the system apparently complains that one of the partitions is unable to be mounted .
This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff .
When I enter the crypto key , sometimes it works and sometimes it does n't .
If it does n't work , I have to drop to the shell , run " cryptdisks stop " , then run " cryptdisks start " before it lets me go forward .
It still complains about the swap partition ( not encrypted , so it is tied to another issue ) , even though it successfully starts swap .
All this , of course , is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key ( I had to add " tries = 99 " to /etc/crypttab ) I ran into the following issues : The upgrade process - I could n't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI , which was very annoying...Encrypted partitions - When booting my system , the system now complains that one of the partitions listed in fstab is unable to be mounted .
This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff .
( In Jaunty it just asked be for the crypto key without complaining about anything .
) When I enter the crypto key , sometimes it works and sometimes it does n't .
If it does n't work , I have to drop to the shell , run " cryptdisks stop " , then run " cryptdisks start " before it lets me go forward .
It still complains about the swap partition ( not encrypted , so it is tied to another issue ) , even though it successfully starts swap .
All this , of course , is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key .
( I had to add " tries = 99 " to /etc/crypttab before the system would n't try to boot without my /home partition... ) VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager did n't support PPTP properly .
Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC , but only when launching it from the command line .
I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic ( hoping they have worked around the issues ) , but I am still having problems .
It now allows me to configure the VPN connection ( I could n't do that at all in Jaunty ) , but I ca n't start the VPNC VPN properly .
Well , actually , I can start it , and can connect to the VPN , but knetworkmanager does n't recognize that it has started ( knetworkmanager does n't change the status and wo n't allow me to stop the VPN ) .
The only way to stop the VPN is to manually kill the VPN processes from the command line.Laptop lid close - When closing the laptop lid in Jaunty , my screen would shut off and the screen saver would start .
Now , when closing the lid , the screen does not shut off.Laptop suspend/resume - When closing the lid in Jaunty , the system would automatically suspend to RAM and power down , and the screen would be locked upon resuming .
Now , closing the lid gives mixed results .
The system does not always suspend to RAM .
Before I started playing with the power settings , if I closed the lid after starting the screensaver , it would not suspend .
If I closed it without starting the screensaver , it would * sometimes * suspend properly , but if it actually suspends to RAM it would take forever to come back.Honestly , if these issues do n't clear up soon ( i.e. , by next weekend before I go back to work ) , I will have no choice but to wipe my system and revert back to Jaunty.VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager did n't support PPTP properly .
Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC , but only when launching it from the command line .
I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic ( hoping they have worked around the issues ) , but I am still having problems .
It now allows me to configure the VPN connection ( I could n't do that at all in Jaunty ) , but I ca n't start the VPN properly .
Well , actually , I can start it , and can connect to the VPN , but knetworkmanager does n't recognize that it has started ( knetworkmanager does n't change the status and wo n't allow me to stop the VP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into the following issues:The upgrade process - I couldn't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI, which was very annoying...Encryption - When booting my system, the system apparently complains that one of the partitions is unable to be mounted.
This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff.
When I enter the crypto key, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
If it doesn't work, I have to drop to the shell, run "cryptdisks stop", then run "cryptdisks start" before it lets me go forward.
It still complains about the swap partition (not encrypted, so it is tied to another issue), even though it successfully starts swap.
All this, of course, is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key (I had to add "tries=99" to /etc/crypttab)I ran into the following issues:The upgrade process - I couldn't upgrade using the command line and had to use the GUI, which was very annoying...Encrypted partitions - When booting my system, the system now complains that one of the partitions listed in fstab is unable to be mounted.
This is before it tries to launch the crypto stuff.
(In Jaunty it just asked be for the crypto key without complaining about anything.
) When I enter the crypto key, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
If it doesn't work, I have to drop to the shell, run "cryptdisks stop", then run "cryptdisks start" before it lets me go forward.
It still complains about the swap partition (not encrypted, so it is tied to another issue), even though it successfully starts swap.
All this, of course, is after I had to force the system to wait long enough to let me type in the crypto key.
(I had to add "tries=99" to /etc/crypttab before the system wouldn't try to boot without my /home partition...)VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager didn't support PPTP properly.
Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC, but only when launching it from the command line.
I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic (hoping they have worked around the issues), but I am still having problems.
It now allows me to configure the VPN connection (I couldn't do that at all in Jaunty), but I can't start the VPNC VPN properly.
Well, actually, I can start it, and can connect to the VPN, but knetworkmanager doesn't recognize that it has started (knetworkmanager doesn't change the status and won't allow me to stop the VPN).
The only way to stop the VPN is to manually kill the VPN processes from the command line.Laptop lid close - When closing the laptop lid in Jaunty, my screen would shut off and the screen saver would start.
Now, when closing the lid, the screen does not shut off.Laptop suspend/resume - When closing the lid in Jaunty, the system would automatically suspend to RAM and power down, and the screen would be locked upon resuming.
Now, closing the lid gives mixed results.
The system does not always suspend to RAM.
Before I started playing with the power settings, if I closed the lid after starting the screensaver, it would not suspend.
If I closed it without starting the screensaver, it would *sometimes* suspend properly, but if it actually suspends to RAM it would take forever to come back.Honestly, if these issues don't clear up soon (i.e., by next weekend before I go back to work), I will have no choice but to wipe my system and revert back to Jaunty.VPN - On Jaunty I was using nm-applet because knetworkmanager didn't support PPTP properly.
Jaunty somewhat supported VPNC, but only when launching it from the command line.
I tried using knetworkmanager on Karmic (hoping they have worked around the issues), but I am still having problems.
It now allows me to configure the VPN connection (I couldn't do that at all in Jaunty), but I can't start the VPN properly.
Well, actually, I can start it, and can connect to the VPN, but knetworkmanager doesn't recognize that it has started (knetworkmanager doesn't change the status and won't allow me to stop the VP</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972428</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257260580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It must be hit or miss as I haven't had a single problem... in fact, Karmic is the best release yet. Granted I'm using Kubuntu and not Ubuntu so I wonder if the issue is something having to do with Gnome?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It must be hit or miss as I have n't had a single problem... in fact , Karmic is the best release yet .
Granted I 'm using Kubuntu and not Ubuntu so I wonder if the issue is something having to do with Gnome ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must be hit or miss as I haven't had a single problem... in fact, Karmic is the best release yet.
Granted I'm using Kubuntu and not Ubuntu so I wonder if the issue is something having to do with Gnome?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971654</id>
	<title>Mixed bag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not seeing any improvement in boot times, either.  Possibly my SSD's fault.</p><p>Hardware: AOpen MiniPC MP45, w/Samsung SLC SSD (100/80MB r/w)</p><p>I wanted to do an upgrade but the installer said my / partition wasn't big enough.  So, I did a fresh install of Karmic to new ext3 partitions since the release notes said ext4 might have problems w/large files.  The install went painlessly.</p><p>-- I have an Intel GMA X4500HD.  Karmic has the best support for it I've seen so far.<br>-- ioquake3 runs well again (jaunty had broken something wrt resolution setting), but if I play long enough, eventually the sound cuts out, the game spikes the CPU (although it stays responsive) and won't exit cleanly, and I need to restart xorg to get things completely back to normal.  Might be a 3rd-party app problem.<br>-- dosbox segfaults loading a game that ran almost perfect under Jaunty.<br>-- the new gcc caught an error in my code that previous versions had missed.  It also threw a few new false-positive warnings.  I'm having trouble w/ncurses not working well either, but I need to check some code I appropriated in that area for 32bit-isms.<br>-- simple stuff like web browsing etc. (even w/flash) all seems to work as expected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not seeing any improvement in boot times , either .
Possibly my SSD 's fault.Hardware : AOpen MiniPC MP45 , w/Samsung SLC SSD ( 100/80MB r/w ) I wanted to do an upgrade but the installer said my / partition was n't big enough .
So , I did a fresh install of Karmic to new ext3 partitions since the release notes said ext4 might have problems w/large files .
The install went painlessly.-- I have an Intel GMA X4500HD .
Karmic has the best support for it I 've seen so far.-- ioquake3 runs well again ( jaunty had broken something wrt resolution setting ) , but if I play long enough , eventually the sound cuts out , the game spikes the CPU ( although it stays responsive ) and wo n't exit cleanly , and I need to restart xorg to get things completely back to normal .
Might be a 3rd-party app problem.-- dosbox segfaults loading a game that ran almost perfect under Jaunty.-- the new gcc caught an error in my code that previous versions had missed .
It also threw a few new false-positive warnings .
I 'm having trouble w/ncurses not working well either , but I need to check some code I appropriated in that area for 32bit-isms.-- simple stuff like web browsing etc .
( even w/flash ) all seems to work as expected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not seeing any improvement in boot times, either.
Possibly my SSD's fault.Hardware: AOpen MiniPC MP45, w/Samsung SLC SSD (100/80MB r/w)I wanted to do an upgrade but the installer said my / partition wasn't big enough.
So, I did a fresh install of Karmic to new ext3 partitions since the release notes said ext4 might have problems w/large files.
The install went painlessly.-- I have an Intel GMA X4500HD.
Karmic has the best support for it I've seen so far.-- ioquake3 runs well again (jaunty had broken something wrt resolution setting), but if I play long enough, eventually the sound cuts out, the game spikes the CPU (although it stays responsive) and won't exit cleanly, and I need to restart xorg to get things completely back to normal.
Might be a 3rd-party app problem.-- dosbox segfaults loading a game that ran almost perfect under Jaunty.-- the new gcc caught an error in my code that previous versions had missed.
It also threw a few new false-positive warnings.
I'm having trouble w/ncurses not working well either, but I need to check some code I appropriated in that area for 32bit-isms.-- simple stuff like web browsing etc.
(even w/flash) all seems to work as expected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970458</id>
	<title>Re:My problems with 9.1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kernel is not GCC 4.4.<br>Ubuntu users.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kernel is not GCC 4.4.Ubuntu users .
... : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kernel is not GCC 4.4.Ubuntu users.
... :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30012232</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>untold</author>
	<datestamp>1257524640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>True, I upgraded two machines remotely via 'do release-upgrade' and had no issues but did when upgrading my laptop. People with a clue backup before they upgrade, I lost nothing, one thing you should add to your tips<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>True , I upgraded two machines remotely via 'do release-upgrade ' and had no issues but did when upgrading my laptop .
People with a clue backup before they upgrade , I lost nothing , one thing you should add to your tips ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, I upgraded two machines remotely via 'do release-upgrade' and had no issues but did when upgrading my laptop.
People with a clue backup before they upgrade, I lost nothing, one thing you should add to your tips ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970082</id>
	<title>Re:Fix avalible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please don't do that.</p><p>It's not funny when you cause mischief for no good purpose.</p><p>Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please do n't do that.It 's not funny when you cause mischief for no good purpose.Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please don't do that.It's not funny when you cause mischief for no good purpose.Thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969890</id>
	<title>I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1257248820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upgrade was a bit rough - the GUI system update tools are very prone to breaking, often freezing to the point that only a forcequit can put things back to normal (I almost always use the command line because of that). Unfortunately the only way I knew of to update to 9.10 was using a GUI tool, which naturally broke, forcing me to restart the upgrade (although it was called a "partial upgrade". As for the finished product, booting time is abysmal, pushing past 100 sec. and the wireless doesn't work without a driver (it worked flawlessly in 9.04), and even with the driver whenever I move around any new wireless networks I come across aren't recognized - I need to suspend/unsuspend to restart the wireless system and get the new access points recognized. And the monitor randomly shuts off once in a while. And the mouse (trackpad) moves erratically sometimes.</p><p>Either I should switch to some other distro or I need better hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upgrade was a bit rough - the GUI system update tools are very prone to breaking , often freezing to the point that only a forcequit can put things back to normal ( I almost always use the command line because of that ) .
Unfortunately the only way I knew of to update to 9.10 was using a GUI tool , which naturally broke , forcing me to restart the upgrade ( although it was called a " partial upgrade " .
As for the finished product , booting time is abysmal , pushing past 100 sec .
and the wireless does n't work without a driver ( it worked flawlessly in 9.04 ) , and even with the driver whenever I move around any new wireless networks I come across are n't recognized - I need to suspend/unsuspend to restart the wireless system and get the new access points recognized .
And the monitor randomly shuts off once in a while .
And the mouse ( trackpad ) moves erratically sometimes.Either I should switch to some other distro or I need better hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upgrade was a bit rough - the GUI system update tools are very prone to breaking, often freezing to the point that only a forcequit can put things back to normal (I almost always use the command line because of that).
Unfortunately the only way I knew of to update to 9.10 was using a GUI tool, which naturally broke, forcing me to restart the upgrade (although it was called a "partial upgrade".
As for the finished product, booting time is abysmal, pushing past 100 sec.
and the wireless doesn't work without a driver (it worked flawlessly in 9.04), and even with the driver whenever I move around any new wireless networks I come across aren't recognized - I need to suspend/unsuspend to restart the wireless system and get the new access points recognized.
And the monitor randomly shuts off once in a while.
And the mouse (trackpad) moves erratically sometimes.Either I should switch to some other distro or I need better hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969964</id>
	<title>No problems here!</title>
	<author>Astr4y</author>
	<datestamp>1257249060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've ran the beta of Karmic on my Lenovo IdeaPad y430 and haven't had a single problem, and as of a few days ago I've been running the official release without a single problem.  I also for the first time ever have been able to use my built in webcam (not that there's much use for it mind you).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've ran the beta of Karmic on my Lenovo IdeaPad y430 and have n't had a single problem , and as of a few days ago I 've been running the official release without a single problem .
I also for the first time ever have been able to use my built in webcam ( not that there 's much use for it mind you ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've ran the beta of Karmic on my Lenovo IdeaPad y430 and haven't had a single problem, and as of a few days ago I've been running the official release without a single problem.
I also for the first time ever have been able to use my built in webcam (not that there's much use for it mind you).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975900</id>
	<title>Default configuration issues</title>
	<author>machinegestalt</author>
	<datestamp>1256988480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, I like a lot of the stuff they're doing in Ubuntu, however having JUST set up a complete novice Linux user with Koala and watched the things they had an issue with:</p><p>1.  The SMB mounting tool is nice, except it doesn't show shares in Gnome file dialogs!  The connection it makes is not persistent.  Nor is SMBFS installed by default.  I had to install smbfs then go in and set up everything manually in fstab, which is ridiculous for a distro not to have covered in a cleaner way.  That's not hard for me but come on!</p><p>2.  Mime types are not properly set up in firefox.  With a totally fresh install, a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc downloaded from the web cannot be opened directly, even though it's listed as the type handler...  She ended up going to the containing folder and opening it through the file browser, again this is pretty bad not to have working.</p><p>3.  Sound settings are not properly saved by the mixer on reboot.  In addition though pulse is installed by default it doesn't work nearly as well the way it is configured by default as in some other distributions I've used.  I've had to sit down and fix various sound issues several times.</p><p>There are probably more things I'm forgetting as well, or that she has not seen fit to bother me with...</p><p>On the plus side, the regressions in 9.04 with full screen flash and some types of webcams seem to have been fixed (no more LD\_PRELOAD shortcuts).  That's positive.</p><p>Ultimately, the only thing at this point that is really keeping me considering Ubuntu/Kubuntu over SuSE is apt.  YaST is pretty good, but apt is better and the package coverage is also better.  I really dislike Canonical's insistence on making you jump through hoops to use "non free" software.  I am very pro-free-software, however if anyone involved with high level decisions at Canonical is reading this right now, give me a freaking button I can click during the installation that says "I am a big kid, I can make my own choices regarding free/non free software, I'm not interested in making a big philosophical statement with this computer, please include non-free software in my basic installation".</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , I like a lot of the stuff they 're doing in Ubuntu , however having JUST set up a complete novice Linux user with Koala and watched the things they had an issue with : 1 .
The SMB mounting tool is nice , except it does n't show shares in Gnome file dialogs !
The connection it makes is not persistent .
Nor is SMBFS installed by default .
I had to install smbfs then go in and set up everything manually in fstab , which is ridiculous for a distro not to have covered in a cleaner way .
That 's not hard for me but come on ! 2 .
Mime types are not properly set up in firefox .
With a totally fresh install , a .doc downloaded from the web can not be opened directly , even though it 's listed as the type handler... She ended up going to the containing folder and opening it through the file browser , again this is pretty bad not to have working.3 .
Sound settings are not properly saved by the mixer on reboot .
In addition though pulse is installed by default it does n't work nearly as well the way it is configured by default as in some other distributions I 've used .
I 've had to sit down and fix various sound issues several times.There are probably more things I 'm forgetting as well , or that she has not seen fit to bother me with...On the plus side , the regressions in 9.04 with full screen flash and some types of webcams seem to have been fixed ( no more LD \ _PRELOAD shortcuts ) .
That 's positive.Ultimately , the only thing at this point that is really keeping me considering Ubuntu/Kubuntu over SuSE is apt .
YaST is pretty good , but apt is better and the package coverage is also better .
I really dislike Canonical 's insistence on making you jump through hoops to use " non free " software .
I am very pro-free-software , however if anyone involved with high level decisions at Canonical is reading this right now , give me a freaking button I can click during the installation that says " I am a big kid , I can make my own choices regarding free/non free software , I 'm not interested in making a big philosophical statement with this computer , please include non-free software in my basic installation " .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, I like a lot of the stuff they're doing in Ubuntu, however having JUST set up a complete novice Linux user with Koala and watched the things they had an issue with:1.
The SMB mounting tool is nice, except it doesn't show shares in Gnome file dialogs!
The connection it makes is not persistent.
Nor is SMBFS installed by default.
I had to install smbfs then go in and set up everything manually in fstab, which is ridiculous for a distro not to have covered in a cleaner way.
That's not hard for me but come on!2.
Mime types are not properly set up in firefox.
With a totally fresh install, a .doc downloaded from the web cannot be opened directly, even though it's listed as the type handler...  She ended up going to the containing folder and opening it through the file browser, again this is pretty bad not to have working.3.
Sound settings are not properly saved by the mixer on reboot.
In addition though pulse is installed by default it doesn't work nearly as well the way it is configured by default as in some other distributions I've used.
I've had to sit down and fix various sound issues several times.There are probably more things I'm forgetting as well, or that she has not seen fit to bother me with...On the plus side, the regressions in 9.04 with full screen flash and some types of webcams seem to have been fixed (no more LD\_PRELOAD shortcuts).
That's positive.Ultimately, the only thing at this point that is really keeping me considering Ubuntu/Kubuntu over SuSE is apt.
YaST is pretty good, but apt is better and the package coverage is also better.
I really dislike Canonical's insistence on making you jump through hoops to use "non free" software.
I am very pro-free-software, however if anyone involved with high level decisions at Canonical is reading this right now, give me a freaking button I can click during the installation that says "I am a big kid, I can make my own choices regarding free/non free software, I'm not interested in making a big philosophical statement with this computer, please include non-free software in my basic installation".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971938</id>
	<title>better than windows 7 (which has been ok)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257257160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had some issues getting Karmic ready to go. Slightly disappointed since haven't had a problem since 6.xx days.  However they are exclusively with third party software 1) ANSYS 2) ATI Catalyst. <br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; In contrast, windows 7 and its bootloader promptly freaked out despite being on another drive.  Maybe its my fault for trying out 2 new boot loaders at the same time (grub2 and nt60). Regardless, repeated attempts to clone the win7 super secret boot partition failed so I had to reconstruct that. Then Win7 decided it wanted to freak out, become ungenuine, look like win95 and not function.  Evidently, it became confused when the system drive was spontaneously relegated to "d:". After recovering mbr and editing registry to fix win7's apparent confusion, karmic's grub2 detected it and now both live in harmony. FYI, My last machine upgraded from hardy through feisty, and winxp. Had similar problems with the ATI driver in win7. Win7 keeps wanting to update my network driver (gigabyte 1000mb/s on board), but the driver doesn't work.  Ubuntu for the win....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had some issues getting Karmic ready to go .
Slightly disappointed since have n't had a problem since 6.xx days .
However they are exclusively with third party software 1 ) ANSYS 2 ) ATI Catalyst .
    In contrast , windows 7 and its bootloader promptly freaked out despite being on another drive .
Maybe its my fault for trying out 2 new boot loaders at the same time ( grub2 and nt60 ) .
Regardless , repeated attempts to clone the win7 super secret boot partition failed so I had to reconstruct that .
Then Win7 decided it wanted to freak out , become ungenuine , look like win95 and not function .
Evidently , it became confused when the system drive was spontaneously relegated to " d : " .
After recovering mbr and editing registry to fix win7 's apparent confusion , karmic 's grub2 detected it and now both live in harmony .
FYI , My last machine upgraded from hardy through feisty , and winxp .
Had similar problems with the ATI driver in win7 .
Win7 keeps wanting to update my network driver ( gigabyte 1000mb/s on board ) , but the driver does n't work .
Ubuntu for the win... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had some issues getting Karmic ready to go.
Slightly disappointed since haven't had a problem since 6.xx days.
However they are exclusively with third party software 1) ANSYS 2) ATI Catalyst.
  
  In contrast, windows 7 and its bootloader promptly freaked out despite being on another drive.
Maybe its my fault for trying out 2 new boot loaders at the same time (grub2 and nt60).
Regardless, repeated attempts to clone the win7 super secret boot partition failed so I had to reconstruct that.
Then Win7 decided it wanted to freak out, become ungenuine, look like win95 and not function.
Evidently, it became confused when the system drive was spontaneously relegated to "d:".
After recovering mbr and editing registry to fix win7's apparent confusion, karmic's grub2 detected it and now both live in harmony.
FYI, My last machine upgraded from hardy through feisty, and winxp.
Had similar problems with the ATI driver in win7.
Win7 keeps wanting to update my network driver (gigabyte 1000mb/s on board), but the driver doesn't work.
Ubuntu for the win....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969834</id>
	<title>I love these stories...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1257248640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... because all the bugs bugs that nobody ever mention finally come out when people say "[something] was finally fixed in this release."  Things like wireless, video, sleep mode/laptop functions, etc.</p><p>And yet we claim Linux is already ready for most users, all the basic stuff works.  I guess "works" has a lot of exceptions.</p><p>Oh well.  I'm glad they get fixed eventually.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... because all the bugs bugs that nobody ever mention finally come out when people say " [ something ] was finally fixed in this release .
" Things like wireless , video , sleep mode/laptop functions , etc.And yet we claim Linux is already ready for most users , all the basic stuff works .
I guess " works " has a lot of exceptions.Oh well .
I 'm glad they get fixed eventually .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... because all the bugs bugs that nobody ever mention finally come out when people say "[something] was finally fixed in this release.
"  Things like wireless, video, sleep mode/laptop functions, etc.And yet we claim Linux is already ready for most users, all the basic stuff works.
I guess "works" has a lot of exceptions.Oh well.
I'm glad they get fixed eventually.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29986136</id>
	<title>Re:Rants replacing Bug reports?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers. These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.</p></div><p>Should the users care?  Seriously.  Why the hell should an end user of a desktop system need to care about developers?  Don't get me wrong -- I've been using Linux steadily for years now on my primary machine, and I've used it sporadically for well over a decade.  And I am grateful and in awe of all the amazing stuff that has been created by primarily volunteers.  I've contributed plenty of my own share of bug reports.
<br> <br>
But I understand the work that goes into it.  For most desktop users, all they care about is whether it works.  And when it doesn't work, yes they should file bug reports, but they also have the right to rant.  <br> <br>
(You're absolutely right that some ranters are idiots, but those people are clearly ignored by everyone else except for people more idiotic.  You shouldn't worry about those people, because those people are seen for what they are on the forums or blogs they participate in.  And if their complaints are driving away other idiots, what's the problem?  You're always going to have idiots who can't figure out how software works, even if there are no bugs.  That's NOT the problem!)
<br> <br>
Sorry, but we're not talking about some crazy ass new piece of software written by a couple friends down the street that's barely an alpha release.  Yes, in such a case the user should be grateful for what he gets, and he is responsible for running a piece of software that probably won't work correctly on his system.  That's what you expect when you sign on to try an alpha version, or even a beta release.  <br> <br>
But with Ubuntu, we're talking about an actual <b>released</b> version of a distribution -- in fact, the most popular Linux distribution at the moment.  If Microsoft releases software with bugs, people should feel free to rant.  Same thing with Ubuntu.  If the software doesn't work yet, call it beta.  Call it unstable.  But don't make it part of a "stable" release.  To do so is a disingenuous characterization, and I think any users are justifiably entitled to rant about being misled in such a circumstance.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Now , we have a generation of users who do n't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers .
These users do n't care that they get the OS , the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.Should the users care ?
Seriously. Why the hell should an end user of a desktop system need to care about developers ?
Do n't get me wrong -- I 've been using Linux steadily for years now on my primary machine , and I 've used it sporadically for well over a decade .
And I am grateful and in awe of all the amazing stuff that has been created by primarily volunteers .
I 've contributed plenty of my own share of bug reports .
But I understand the work that goes into it .
For most desktop users , all they care about is whether it works .
And when it does n't work , yes they should file bug reports , but they also have the right to rant .
( You 're absolutely right that some ranters are idiots , but those people are clearly ignored by everyone else except for people more idiotic .
You should n't worry about those people , because those people are seen for what they are on the forums or blogs they participate in .
And if their complaints are driving away other idiots , what 's the problem ?
You 're always going to have idiots who ca n't figure out how software works , even if there are no bugs .
That 's NOT the problem !
) Sorry , but we 're not talking about some crazy ass new piece of software written by a couple friends down the street that 's barely an alpha release .
Yes , in such a case the user should be grateful for what he gets , and he is responsible for running a piece of software that probably wo n't work correctly on his system .
That 's what you expect when you sign on to try an alpha version , or even a beta release .
But with Ubuntu , we 're talking about an actual released version of a distribution -- in fact , the most popular Linux distribution at the moment .
If Microsoft releases software with bugs , people should feel free to rant .
Same thing with Ubuntu .
If the software does n't work yet , call it beta .
Call it unstable .
But do n't make it part of a " stable " release .
To do so is a disingenuous characterization , and I think any users are justifiably entitled to rant about being misled in such a circumstance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers.
These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.Should the users care?
Seriously.  Why the hell should an end user of a desktop system need to care about developers?
Don't get me wrong -- I've been using Linux steadily for years now on my primary machine, and I've used it sporadically for well over a decade.
And I am grateful and in awe of all the amazing stuff that has been created by primarily volunteers.
I've contributed plenty of my own share of bug reports.
But I understand the work that goes into it.
For most desktop users, all they care about is whether it works.
And when it doesn't work, yes they should file bug reports, but they also have the right to rant.
(You're absolutely right that some ranters are idiots, but those people are clearly ignored by everyone else except for people more idiotic.
You shouldn't worry about those people, because those people are seen for what they are on the forums or blogs they participate in.
And if their complaints are driving away other idiots, what's the problem?
You're always going to have idiots who can't figure out how software works, even if there are no bugs.
That's NOT the problem!
)
 
Sorry, but we're not talking about some crazy ass new piece of software written by a couple friends down the street that's barely an alpha release.
Yes, in such a case the user should be grateful for what he gets, and he is responsible for running a piece of software that probably won't work correctly on his system.
That's what you expect when you sign on to try an alpha version, or even a beta release.
But with Ubuntu, we're talking about an actual released version of a distribution -- in fact, the most popular Linux distribution at the moment.
If Microsoft releases software with bugs, people should feel free to rant.
Same thing with Ubuntu.
If the software doesn't work yet, call it beta.
Call it unstable.
But don't make it part of a "stable" release.
To do so is a disingenuous characterization, and I think any users are justifiably entitled to rant about being misled in such a circumstance.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971808</id>
	<title>Karmic's Karma</title>
	<author>skiquel</author>
	<datestamp>1257256500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Case 1.) Jaunty to Karmic beta. Went to sleep with laptop on, woke up. Couldn't read/write files. Rebooted. Ran a huge fsck. System was permanently borked.</p><p>Case 2.) File system encryption brings you to emergency root shell. Running fsck solved it. Unsure what happened because who the hell monitors this stuff.</p><p>Case 3.) 64-bit flash is fubar'd. You gotta go grab the 64-bit version from adobe and symlink to it.</p><p>The truth is, Karmic was not a smooth upgrade in the big picture.</p><p>Ubunteros can't gloat at Windows 7 being a bitch to upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Case 1 .
) Jaunty to Karmic beta .
Went to sleep with laptop on , woke up .
Could n't read/write files .
Rebooted. Ran a huge fsck .
System was permanently borked.Case 2 .
) File system encryption brings you to emergency root shell .
Running fsck solved it .
Unsure what happened because who the hell monitors this stuff.Case 3 .
) 64-bit flash is fubar 'd .
You got ta go grab the 64-bit version from adobe and symlink to it.The truth is , Karmic was not a smooth upgrade in the big picture.Ubunteros ca n't gloat at Windows 7 being a bitch to upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Case 1.
) Jaunty to Karmic beta.
Went to sleep with laptop on, woke up.
Couldn't read/write files.
Rebooted. Ran a huge fsck.
System was permanently borked.Case 2.
) File system encryption brings you to emergency root shell.
Running fsck solved it.
Unsure what happened because who the hell monitors this stuff.Case 3.
) 64-bit flash is fubar'd.
You gotta go grab the 64-bit version from adobe and symlink to it.The truth is, Karmic was not a smooth upgrade in the big picture.Ubunteros can't gloat at Windows 7 being a bitch to upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29987670</id>
	<title>Linux Mint 7 == U9.10 on Dell Lattitude D610</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clean install. No problems so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clean install .
No problems so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clean install.
No problems so far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977118</id>
	<title>X wouldn't boot with ATI 2400 Pro and 2.16-31</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had to boot into 2.6.28 in order to get my flgrx to work. From there I downloaded the new driver from AMD, and installed that.  Only that didn't work, because I remember having to boot into 2.6.31 recovery mode at some point, and running the driver installer from the shell.</p><p>Anyhow, my update manager is still busted, saying there is a partial upgrade to install, but if I click cancel it will still get some package updates.</p><p>And, it broke the sound in Wesnoth 1.6 and caused it to freeze occasionally--I had to kill it with kill -9 a few times.  Fortunately there is no problem with 1.6.5 from the repositories.</p><p>That being said, I really do like Karmic, it is super snappy, and all told it was probably less than 3 hours that I spent getting X running.  Easily the 6 most used programs that I've been using are gedit, ispell, latex, evince, firefox, and wesnoth--so no there really was no need to upgrade anyway, other than the speed gains from running firefox, which wasn't such a slouch in 9.04.</p><p>So count me in the whopping 70\% that had some install pains but got it up and running without wiping everything out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had to boot into 2.6.28 in order to get my flgrx to work .
From there I downloaded the new driver from AMD , and installed that .
Only that did n't work , because I remember having to boot into 2.6.31 recovery mode at some point , and running the driver installer from the shell.Anyhow , my update manager is still busted , saying there is a partial upgrade to install , but if I click cancel it will still get some package updates.And , it broke the sound in Wesnoth 1.6 and caused it to freeze occasionally--I had to kill it with kill -9 a few times .
Fortunately there is no problem with 1.6.5 from the repositories.That being said , I really do like Karmic , it is super snappy , and all told it was probably less than 3 hours that I spent getting X running .
Easily the 6 most used programs that I 've been using are gedit , ispell , latex , evince , firefox , and wesnoth--so no there really was no need to upgrade anyway , other than the speed gains from running firefox , which was n't such a slouch in 9.04.So count me in the whopping 70 \ % that had some install pains but got it up and running without wiping everything out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had to boot into 2.6.28 in order to get my flgrx to work.
From there I downloaded the new driver from AMD, and installed that.
Only that didn't work, because I remember having to boot into 2.6.31 recovery mode at some point, and running the driver installer from the shell.Anyhow, my update manager is still busted, saying there is a partial upgrade to install, but if I click cancel it will still get some package updates.And, it broke the sound in Wesnoth 1.6 and caused it to freeze occasionally--I had to kill it with kill -9 a few times.
Fortunately there is no problem with 1.6.5 from the repositories.That being said, I really do like Karmic, it is super snappy, and all told it was probably less than 3 hours that I spent getting X running.
Easily the 6 most used programs that I've been using are gedit, ispell, latex, evince, firefox, and wesnoth--so no there really was no need to upgrade anyway, other than the speed gains from running firefox, which wasn't such a slouch in 9.04.So count me in the whopping 70\% that had some install pains but got it up and running without wiping everything out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971612</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He said that it is working flawlessly now, not that the installation procedure was flawless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He said that it is working flawlessly now , not that the installation procedure was flawless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He said that it is working flawlessly now, not that the installation procedure was flawless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973240</id>
	<title>Flawless upgrade experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flawless upgrade here on an HP DV1000 Centrino lappy following the instructinos on the website. I am very happy and the new ubuntu feels slick and fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flawless upgrade here on an HP DV1000 Centrino lappy following the instructinos on the website .
I am very happy and the new ubuntu feels slick and fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flawless upgrade here on an HP DV1000 Centrino lappy following the instructinos on the website.
I am very happy and the new ubuntu feels slick and fast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978552</id>
	<title>Sun VB and USB Devices + Flash = no deal</title>
	<author>Skull\_Leader</author>
	<datestamp>1257005940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, everything is running fine, and the upgrade went almost without a hitch, except:

In my guest XP system under Sun Virtual Box I no longer can use any of the USB devices. The Ubuntu host seems to have grabbed them and won't share with VB-XP anymore. Setting up USB filters hasn't helped either. Especially sucky since I need a USB label printer using windows-only software to work for my business.

I also don't seem to have full compatibility with Flash on some websites through Firefox anymore.

The first one is the kicker though. That is enough of an issue to just drive me on over to a Psystar Mac...</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , everything is running fine , and the upgrade went almost without a hitch , except : In my guest XP system under Sun Virtual Box I no longer can use any of the USB devices .
The Ubuntu host seems to have grabbed them and wo n't share with VB-XP anymore .
Setting up USB filters has n't helped either .
Especially sucky since I need a USB label printer using windows-only software to work for my business .
I also do n't seem to have full compatibility with Flash on some websites through Firefox anymore .
The first one is the kicker though .
That is enough of an issue to just drive me on over to a Psystar Mac.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, everything is running fine, and the upgrade went almost without a hitch, except:

In my guest XP system under Sun Virtual Box I no longer can use any of the USB devices.
The Ubuntu host seems to have grabbed them and won't share with VB-XP anymore.
Setting up USB filters hasn't helped either.
Especially sucky since I need a USB label printer using windows-only software to work for my business.
I also don't seem to have full compatibility with Flash on some websites through Firefox anymore.
The first one is the kicker though.
That is enough of an issue to just drive me on over to a Psystar Mac...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974712</id>
	<title>Where have I heard this before?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, when 9.04 broke my X server with an ATI card.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  If Ubuntu doesn't start getting their act together, I worry about the near-term future of the Linux desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , when 9.04 broke my X server with an ATI card .
Lather , rinse , repeat .
If Ubuntu does n't start getting their act together , I worry about the near-term future of the Linux desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, when 9.04 broke my X server with an ATI card.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
If Ubuntu doesn't start getting their act together, I worry about the near-term future of the Linux desktop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973860</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257271920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>minor issue with sound that a fresh install fixed.<br>I wasn't sure I would like the interface changes.<br>But it is growing on me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>minor issue with sound that a fresh install fixed.I was n't sure I would like the interface changes.But it is growing on me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>minor issue with sound that a fresh install fixed.I wasn't sure I would like the interface changes.But it is growing on me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970252</id>
	<title>Release is fine....BETA sucked</title>
	<author>guidoFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1257249960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded to the BETA a month or so ago...and it destroyed my machine...forced me to wipe the drive and upgrade to Windows 7.  The new release has been wonderful so far.  Nothing to complain about thus far.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to the BETA a month or so ago...and it destroyed my machine...forced me to wipe the drive and upgrade to Windows 7 .
The new release has been wonderful so far .
Nothing to complain about thus far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to the BETA a month or so ago...and it destroyed my machine...forced me to wipe the drive and upgrade to Windows 7.
The new release has been wonderful so far.
Nothing to complain about thus far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970796</id>
	<title>Why don't people learn?</title>
	<author>Patch86</author>
	<datestamp>1257251820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never, never, ever adopt complex software at launch. Just don't. Why would you do that?</p><p>When Vista came out the advice was obvious: don't use it for a month or so so that all the horrible errors and vulnerabilities can get worked out, or at least unearthed. With the Win7 launch, the advice is exactly the same- wait for them to get some of the kinks before making the plunge. Ubuntu Karmic? You guessed it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never , never , ever adopt complex software at launch .
Just do n't .
Why would you do that ? When Vista came out the advice was obvious : do n't use it for a month or so so that all the horrible errors and vulnerabilities can get worked out , or at least unearthed .
With the Win7 launch , the advice is exactly the same- wait for them to get some of the kinks before making the plunge .
Ubuntu Karmic ?
You guessed it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never, never, ever adopt complex software at launch.
Just don't.
Why would you do that?When Vista came out the advice was obvious: don't use it for a month or so so that all the horrible errors and vulnerabilities can get worked out, or at least unearthed.
With the Win7 launch, the advice is exactly the same- wait for them to get some of the kinks before making the plunge.
Ubuntu Karmic?
You guessed it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977100</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>fudgefactor7</author>
	<datestamp>1256999700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's what I did: in place upgrade, not a wipe and replace. Found that two issues cropped up (really low end annoyances). (1) prboom no longer worked correctly, causing Doom and Doom2 to crash on launch with "signal 8" error; and (2) Quake 1 didn't work either. Both were working under the previous Ubuntu. I tracked down the prboom issue to the version of prboom being broken. Replace with a only slightly newer build fixes it. Quake required me to rename the ID1 folder to id1. Not a big deal. Silly really. At first I thought it was WINE messing up, but that wasn't it. (Yes, I play Quake using WINE, so sue me.) <br> <br>I will tell you they fixed an issue I had with Google Earth flickering, so a trade up in my opinion. Otherwise everything went ok.... Cannot explain why acidrip was uninstalled as a mandatory part of the upgrade when it's in the Karmic repository and all I had to do was reinstall it...perhaps some dependency? (Same deal with mencoder and Mplayer.) Just weird.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what I did : in place upgrade , not a wipe and replace .
Found that two issues cropped up ( really low end annoyances ) .
( 1 ) prboom no longer worked correctly , causing Doom and Doom2 to crash on launch with " signal 8 " error ; and ( 2 ) Quake 1 did n't work either .
Both were working under the previous Ubuntu .
I tracked down the prboom issue to the version of prboom being broken .
Replace with a only slightly newer build fixes it .
Quake required me to rename the ID1 folder to id1 .
Not a big deal .
Silly really .
At first I thought it was WINE messing up , but that was n't it .
( Yes , I play Quake using WINE , so sue me .
) I will tell you they fixed an issue I had with Google Earth flickering , so a trade up in my opinion .
Otherwise everything went ok.... Can not explain why acidrip was uninstalled as a mandatory part of the upgrade when it 's in the Karmic repository and all I had to do was reinstall it...perhaps some dependency ?
( Same deal with mencoder and Mplayer .
) Just weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what I did: in place upgrade, not a wipe and replace.
Found that two issues cropped up (really low end annoyances).
(1) prboom no longer worked correctly, causing Doom and Doom2 to crash on launch with "signal 8" error; and (2) Quake 1 didn't work either.
Both were working under the previous Ubuntu.
I tracked down the prboom issue to the version of prboom being broken.
Replace with a only slightly newer build fixes it.
Quake required me to rename the ID1 folder to id1.
Not a big deal.
Silly really.
At first I thought it was WINE messing up, but that wasn't it.
(Yes, I play Quake using WINE, so sue me.
)  I will tell you they fixed an issue I had with Google Earth flickering, so a trade up in my opinion.
Otherwise everything went ok.... Cannot explain why acidrip was uninstalled as a mandatory part of the upgrade when it's in the Karmic repository and all I had to do was reinstall it...perhaps some dependency?
(Same deal with mencoder and Mplayer.
) Just weird.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970474</id>
	<title>fresh install on an Acer Aspire one ZG5</title>
	<author>ScouseMouse</author>
	<datestamp>1257250680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My install worked flawlessly, and all the internal hardware worked. (Camera, mic, display, Wireless, Ethernet, everything)<br>
However, It doesnt seem to work properly with my Mobile internet dongle. Looks like something kernel related. <br>
I can get it to work if i rmmod usb-storage immediately after i insert it (Why usb-storage?), before the deskop sees it.<br>

Sadly, for me this is a killer. My netbook is mainly for being able to use the internet while camping. (Sad but true)<br>
Shame. 9.04 worked flawlessly with it, first go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My install worked flawlessly , and all the internal hardware worked .
( Camera , mic , display , Wireless , Ethernet , everything ) However , It doesnt seem to work properly with my Mobile internet dongle .
Looks like something kernel related .
I can get it to work if i rmmod usb-storage immediately after i insert it ( Why usb-storage ?
) , before the deskop sees it .
Sadly , for me this is a killer .
My netbook is mainly for being able to use the internet while camping .
( Sad but true ) Shame .
9.04 worked flawlessly with it , first go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My install worked flawlessly, and all the internal hardware worked.
(Camera, mic, display, Wireless, Ethernet, everything)
However, It doesnt seem to work properly with my Mobile internet dongle.
Looks like something kernel related.
I can get it to work if i rmmod usb-storage immediately after i insert it (Why usb-storage?
), before the deskop sees it.
Sadly, for me this is a killer.
My netbook is mainly for being able to use the internet while camping.
(Sad but true)
Shame.
9.04 worked flawlessly with it, first go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972584</id>
	<title>Absolute disaster of an upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257261780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Akonadi doesn't work - mysql/innodb problems.  KDE services just die randomly.  Hardware is intermittent.  It has that "get it out the door whether it's ready or not, we're on a schedule" feel to it.  I ran the upgrade from 9.04, I've heard a fresh install goes great.  But I have my environment heavily customized, and I'm not inclined to go through manual config every six months.  I do the heavy lifting on the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.04 releases, and then expect a clean upgrade to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.10.  That's been the case for me since the 6.x series, but not so this time.  It's really bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Akonadi does n't work - mysql/innodb problems .
KDE services just die randomly .
Hardware is intermittent .
It has that " get it out the door whether it 's ready or not , we 're on a schedule " feel to it .
I ran the upgrade from 9.04 , I 've heard a fresh install goes great .
But I have my environment heavily customized , and I 'm not inclined to go through manual config every six months .
I do the heavy lifting on the .04 releases , and then expect a clean upgrade to .10 .
That 's been the case for me since the 6.x series , but not so this time .
It 's really bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Akonadi doesn't work - mysql/innodb problems.
KDE services just die randomly.
Hardware is intermittent.
It has that "get it out the door whether it's ready or not, we're on a schedule" feel to it.
I ran the upgrade from 9.04, I've heard a fresh install goes great.
But I have my environment heavily customized, and I'm not inclined to go through manual config every six months.
I do the heavy lifting on the .04 releases, and then expect a clean upgrade to .10.
That's been the case for me since the 6.x series, but not so this time.
It's really bad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975458</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Lodarage</author>
	<datestamp>1256983980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to mention that before every upgrade one should make a backup of the whole system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention that before every upgrade one should make a backup of the whole system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention that before every upgrade one should make a backup of the whole system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970432</id>
	<title>Ubuntu = Crap</title>
	<author>zoe23</author>
	<datestamp>1257250560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe people will get a clue at some point and try out a better distro.  While Fedora isn't perfect, the people behind it are much better at what they do.  And their primary reason for existence isn't to convert Windows users, which seems to be all Ubuntu cares about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe people will get a clue at some point and try out a better distro .
While Fedora is n't perfect , the people behind it are much better at what they do .
And their primary reason for existence is n't to convert Windows users , which seems to be all Ubuntu cares about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe people will get a clue at some point and try out a better distro.
While Fedora isn't perfect, the people behind it are much better at what they do.
And their primary reason for existence isn't to convert Windows users, which seems to be all Ubuntu cares about.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972476</id>
	<title>Got Burned.</title>
	<author>Alias14</author>
	<datestamp>1257260880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah Karmic was a load of shit. I have been running Ubuntu for just over a year now and was really really excited about the new release. I downloaded, installed and I thought it looked really nice. However once I installed my ATI driver it just shat itself. 3 re-installs and a driver compile it still fails. Now I'm running Jaunty and couldn't be happier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah Karmic was a load of shit .
I have been running Ubuntu for just over a year now and was really really excited about the new release .
I downloaded , installed and I thought it looked really nice .
However once I installed my ATI driver it just shat itself .
3 re-installs and a driver compile it still fails .
Now I 'm running Jaunty and could n't be happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah Karmic was a load of shit.
I have been running Ubuntu for just over a year now and was really really excited about the new release.
I downloaded, installed and I thought it looked really nice.
However once I installed my ATI driver it just shat itself.
3 re-installs and a driver compile it still fails.
Now I'm running Jaunty and couldn't be happier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972818</id>
	<title>Ubuntu 9.10</title>
	<author>mothore</author>
	<datestamp>1257263700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed the morning of; And am loving it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed the morning of ; And am loving it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed the morning of; And am loving it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971400</id>
	<title>Read before you leap!</title>
	<author>anotheranothernick</author>
	<datestamp>1257254280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:<br>&gt; Whas has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?</p><p>Grammar Nazi here. Please proof read before you post such outrageous news!</p><p>I have been on 9.10 since RC. Its been extremely stable and have had ZERO issues.</p><p>Oh BTW I ran Karmic on an OLD Dell 510m laptop and everything worked out of the box! It had old suck 855GME chipset and an Intel Pentium-M processor!</p><p>Just my $0.02<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : &gt; Whas has been your experience if you 've moved to Karmic ? Grammar Nazi here .
Please proof read before you post such outrageous news ! I have been on 9.10 since RC .
Its been extremely stable and have had ZERO issues.Oh BTW I ran Karmic on an OLD Dell 510m laptop and everything worked out of the box !
It had old suck 855GME chipset and an Intel Pentium-M processor ! Just my $ 0.02 ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:&gt; Whas has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?Grammar Nazi here.
Please proof read before you post such outrageous news!I have been on 9.10 since RC.
Its been extremely stable and have had ZERO issues.Oh BTW I ran Karmic on an OLD Dell 510m laptop and everything worked out of the box!
It had old suck 855GME chipset and an Intel Pentium-M processor!Just my $0.02 ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975294</id>
	<title>My experience.</title>
	<author>rew</author>
	<datestamp>1256982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I had to do a fresh install anyway, and Karmic was out officially a few days, I decided to try it out.</p><p>After a few days it wanted to reboot because of a kernel upgrade and because I changed a display setting, I wanted to log out anyway. So I rebooted.</p><p>Well, I got a flickering text screen. It seems GDM was starting X at a rate of about 5 per second, and that it was failing.</p><p>I finally got X to work again by (re-)installing the proprietary driver from the display vendor. (ATI/AMD).</p><p>On the other hand, I did find out that I can still run my old window manager sawfish, which can do things (which I use!) that newer window managers like compiz and metacity cannot. This means that I'm a happy man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I had to do a fresh install anyway , and Karmic was out officially a few days , I decided to try it out.After a few days it wanted to reboot because of a kernel upgrade and because I changed a display setting , I wanted to log out anyway .
So I rebooted.Well , I got a flickering text screen .
It seems GDM was starting X at a rate of about 5 per second , and that it was failing.I finally got X to work again by ( re- ) installing the proprietary driver from the display vendor .
( ATI/AMD ) .On the other hand , I did find out that I can still run my old window manager sawfish , which can do things ( which I use !
) that newer window managers like compiz and metacity can not .
This means that I 'm a happy man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I had to do a fresh install anyway, and Karmic was out officially a few days, I decided to try it out.After a few days it wanted to reboot because of a kernel upgrade and because I changed a display setting, I wanted to log out anyway.
So I rebooted.Well, I got a flickering text screen.
It seems GDM was starting X at a rate of about 5 per second, and that it was failing.I finally got X to work again by (re-)installing the proprietary driver from the display vendor.
(ATI/AMD).On the other hand, I did find out that I can still run my old window manager sawfish, which can do things (which I use!
) that newer window managers like compiz and metacity cannot.
This means that I'm a happy man.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974638</id>
	<title>ok upgrading from fluxbuntu</title>
	<author>magwm</author>
	<datestamp>1257019200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a HP compaq nx6110 laptop that was originally a fluxbuntu 8.04 install (y'know, thought it would be slow and all). upgraded to gnome-desktop which to my surprise worked beautifully. upgraded to 9.04 which worked quite perfectly. only had to install f-spot from svn as it was lacking some features. upgraded to karmic. no problem at all! cheers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a HP compaq nx6110 laptop that was originally a fluxbuntu 8.04 install ( y'know , thought it would be slow and all ) .
upgraded to gnome-desktop which to my surprise worked beautifully .
upgraded to 9.04 which worked quite perfectly .
only had to install f-spot from svn as it was lacking some features .
upgraded to karmic .
no problem at all !
cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a HP compaq nx6110 laptop that was originally a fluxbuntu 8.04 install (y'know, thought it would be slow and all).
upgraded to gnome-desktop which to my surprise worked beautifully.
upgraded to 9.04 which worked quite perfectly.
only had to install f-spot from svn as it was lacking some features.
upgraded to karmic.
no problem at all!
cheers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970892</id>
	<title>I didn't have any problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK I upgraded my main laptop, my daughter's laptop, my wife's laptop, and my server all within a couple days of the release and have not had any problems. I've resisted upgrading my work desktop only because it has an ATI video card and have had headaches in the past. Just my 2 cents worth...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK I upgraded my main laptop , my daughter 's laptop , my wife 's laptop , and my server all within a couple days of the release and have not had any problems .
I 've resisted upgrading my work desktop only because it has an ATI video card and have had headaches in the past .
Just my 2 cents worth.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK I upgraded my main laptop, my daughter's laptop, my wife's laptop, and my server all within a couple days of the release and have not had any problems.
I've resisted upgrading my work desktop only because it has an ATI video card and have had headaches in the past.
Just my 2 cents worth...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976422</id>
	<title>Are you kidding me?</title>
	<author>Hitman\_Frost</author>
	<datestamp>1256994120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anecdotal only of course, but my own experience was a surprisingly flawless upgrade which actually fixed some issues caused my my earlier meddling in systems I didn't fully understand.</p><p>And what sort of early adopter is going to dive straight into encrypted partitions? Certainly I now run with a separate home partition in case an upgrade goes badly, an experience learned from early bad upgrades, but this time it wasn't needed.</p><p>Inevitably every time there's an upgrade some people get burned. I think people forget that there's no an actual need to upgrade on the first day also. At least wait a week and see what issues other people encounter or run it on a spare machine / swappable hard drive and see what sort of possible problems you encounter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anecdotal only of course , but my own experience was a surprisingly flawless upgrade which actually fixed some issues caused my my earlier meddling in systems I did n't fully understand.And what sort of early adopter is going to dive straight into encrypted partitions ?
Certainly I now run with a separate home partition in case an upgrade goes badly , an experience learned from early bad upgrades , but this time it was n't needed.Inevitably every time there 's an upgrade some people get burned .
I think people forget that there 's no an actual need to upgrade on the first day also .
At least wait a week and see what issues other people encounter or run it on a spare machine / swappable hard drive and see what sort of possible problems you encounter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anecdotal only of course, but my own experience was a surprisingly flawless upgrade which actually fixed some issues caused my my earlier meddling in systems I didn't fully understand.And what sort of early adopter is going to dive straight into encrypted partitions?
Certainly I now run with a separate home partition in case an upgrade goes badly, an experience learned from early bad upgrades, but this time it wasn't needed.Inevitably every time there's an upgrade some people get burned.
I think people forget that there's no an actual need to upgrade on the first day also.
At least wait a week and see what issues other people encounter or run it on a spare machine / swappable hard drive and see what sort of possible problems you encounter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972888</id>
	<title>Re:Karma will run over your Dogma</title>
	<author>A Numinous Cohort</author>
	<datestamp>1257264300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed the beta of Karmic UNR, and it imported users from the existing Win XP partition.  Even set up a profile photo on the gdm picker -- but the photo it associated with my profile was my wife's photo, not mine.  I really wonder how that happened.</p><p>Then, I couldn't see how to change the photo.  After googling around I saw a mention of gdmphotosetup.  Trying to run that in an xterm, the system informed me that I needed gdm-2.20 or some such.  Apt-getting that, there was a warning about package dependencies --  then when I rebooted graphical log-on was not working at all.</p><p>I can still log on to the console and run startx so to me it's not that bad.  At least it's a funny bug 8^).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed the beta of Karmic UNR , and it imported users from the existing Win XP partition .
Even set up a profile photo on the gdm picker -- but the photo it associated with my profile was my wife 's photo , not mine .
I really wonder how that happened.Then , I could n't see how to change the photo .
After googling around I saw a mention of gdmphotosetup .
Trying to run that in an xterm , the system informed me that I needed gdm-2.20 or some such .
Apt-getting that , there was a warning about package dependencies -- then when I rebooted graphical log-on was not working at all.I can still log on to the console and run startx so to me it 's not that bad .
At least it 's a funny bug 8 ^ ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed the beta of Karmic UNR, and it imported users from the existing Win XP partition.
Even set up a profile photo on the gdm picker -- but the photo it associated with my profile was my wife's photo, not mine.
I really wonder how that happened.Then, I couldn't see how to change the photo.
After googling around I saw a mention of gdmphotosetup.
Trying to run that in an xterm, the system informed me that I needed gdm-2.20 or some such.
Apt-getting that, there was a warning about package dependencies --  then when I rebooted graphical log-on was not working at all.I can still log on to the console and run startx so to me it's not that bad.
At least it's a funny bug 8^).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981912</id>
	<title>Works for me</title>
	<author>dclydew</author>
	<datestamp>1257016200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have exactly one bug from the painless upgrade... The old Neverwinter Nights game with the linux binaries crash on exit and I have to kill the nwmain process.</p><p>That was it. Everything else works perfectly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have exactly one bug from the painless upgrade... The old Neverwinter Nights game with the linux binaries crash on exit and I have to kill the nwmain process.That was it .
Everything else works perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have exactly one bug from the painless upgrade... The old Neverwinter Nights game with the linux binaries crash on exit and I have to kill the nwmain process.That was it.
Everything else works perfectly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971492</id>
	<title>Not jumping on that bandwagon..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran into sound issues upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04, so I knew better than to jump on the 9.10 train if my system seemed to be working fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into sound issues upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 , so I knew better than to jump on the 9.10 train if my system seemed to be working fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into sound issues upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04, so I knew better than to jump on the 9.10 train if my system seemed to be working fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981890</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If that's your quality level, please tell me: which will be first, the Year of Linux on the Desktop, or the Year of Windows on the Desktop?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If that 's your quality level , please tell me : which will be first , the Year of Linux on the Desktop , or the Year of Windows on the Desktop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that's your quality level, please tell me: which will be first, the Year of Linux on the Desktop, or the Year of Windows on the Desktop?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971586</id>
	<title>Perhaps the Kernel is to blame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the problems I am reading are hardware related.  Is it possible there is a problem with the kernel itself and not the OS.  People need to remember that a Linux distro is a composite work across the span of FOSS and therefore bugs sometimes make their way into a release from the upstream.  Sometimes shit just happens.  The thing about Ubuntu is there will be a fix pretty quick for any issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the problems I am reading are hardware related .
Is it possible there is a problem with the kernel itself and not the OS .
People need to remember that a Linux distro is a composite work across the span of FOSS and therefore bugs sometimes make their way into a release from the upstream .
Sometimes shit just happens .
The thing about Ubuntu is there will be a fix pretty quick for any issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the problems I am reading are hardware related.
Is it possible there is a problem with the kernel itself and not the OS.
People need to remember that a Linux distro is a composite work across the span of FOSS and therefore bugs sometimes make their way into a release from the upstream.
Sometimes shit just happens.
The thing about Ubuntu is there will be a fix pretty quick for any issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29997694</id>
	<title>Its been fine for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257450480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've  not had any problem at all.  I still prefer pidgin over empathy - i like the new webkit browser, epiphany.  I don't like how the link between the power management on the display and the screensaver idle time is broken. You used to be able to set them to the same, and then when you adjusted one - the other would adjust with it.</p><p>It's blazingly fast to boot.  I mean blazingly. 20 seconds to log in - 20 more seconds to going.....</p><p>My suspend works better on some computers.  The new intel graphics driver is fantastic.  I've got it on three different computers running both the 64 and the 32 bit version.  It may have some bugs, but is no less buggy than any other release by any other vendor.  And most bugs that i noticed have already been corrected in very frequent upgrades.  Nice.</p><p>Its no wonder apple and micorsoft try not to let anything work on ubuntu.  Sure, its no match for them now.  But its come farther in its short life than they have. Iexpect that another 5 years will see some linux distro as solid and robust as windows and Mac.  That's why they're a bit scared.  Not for the present - but for the future....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not had any problem at all .
I still prefer pidgin over empathy - i like the new webkit browser , epiphany .
I do n't like how the link between the power management on the display and the screensaver idle time is broken .
You used to be able to set them to the same , and then when you adjusted one - the other would adjust with it.It 's blazingly fast to boot .
I mean blazingly .
20 seconds to log in - 20 more seconds to going.....My suspend works better on some computers .
The new intel graphics driver is fantastic .
I 've got it on three different computers running both the 64 and the 32 bit version .
It may have some bugs , but is no less buggy than any other release by any other vendor .
And most bugs that i noticed have already been corrected in very frequent upgrades .
Nice.Its no wonder apple and micorsoft try not to let anything work on ubuntu .
Sure , its no match for them now .
But its come farther in its short life than they have .
Iexpect that another 5 years will see some linux distro as solid and robust as windows and Mac .
That 's why they 're a bit scared .
Not for the present - but for the future... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've  not had any problem at all.
I still prefer pidgin over empathy - i like the new webkit browser, epiphany.
I don't like how the link between the power management on the display and the screensaver idle time is broken.
You used to be able to set them to the same, and then when you adjusted one - the other would adjust with it.It's blazingly fast to boot.
I mean blazingly.
20 seconds to log in - 20 more seconds to going.....My suspend works better on some computers.
The new intel graphics driver is fantastic.
I've got it on three different computers running both the 64 and the 32 bit version.
It may have some bugs, but is no less buggy than any other release by any other vendor.
And most bugs that i noticed have already been corrected in very frequent upgrades.
Nice.Its no wonder apple and micorsoft try not to let anything work on ubuntu.
Sure, its no match for them now.
But its come farther in its short life than they have.
Iexpect that another 5 years will see some linux distro as solid and robust as windows and Mac.
That's why they're a bit scared.
Not for the present - but for the future....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30013830</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>PastaLover</author>
	<datestamp>1257602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle? The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.</p><p>2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway? If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.</p></div><p>From the point of view of someone that noticed a lot of annoying bugs in the new release. No, I did not run the alpha/beta but I did run the previous version and reported a bunch of bugs that didn't get fixed. Second, when I went to launchpad to report the bugs (mostly regressions, mind you, which is what annoys me) in this version, they were already reported, from before release. So it's not like nobody noticed, they just decided to roll with it.</p><p>I think karmic will be one of those releases that ends up being fixed a lot after the fact. I just saw a whole load of bug fixes in empathy hit the repos for instance (empathy can't hold a candle next to pidgin, btw). Some bugs are more annoying, like the GDK changes that developers must have known would break many apps (including flash). So yeah, I am starting to question this 6 month release cycle thing.</p><p>And don't get me started on gnome 2.28. I personally think that's moving in way the wrong direction. But that's a flamewar for another story.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years. Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.</p></div><p>I didn't think we were talking about problems with the upgrade process itself. Rather, it's the build quality that is a bit off this time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle ?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release , it 's a trivial matter to burn a copy , stick it in your machine , and give it a test run.2 ) If stability is important to you ( and I assume it is by the use of the word " stung " ) , why did you upgrade anyway ?
If I 'm not mistaken , Karmic is not even an LTS release.From the point of view of someone that noticed a lot of annoying bugs in the new release .
No , I did not run the alpha/beta but I did run the previous version and reported a bunch of bugs that did n't get fixed .
Second , when I went to launchpad to report the bugs ( mostly regressions , mind you , which is what annoys me ) in this version , they were already reported , from before release .
So it 's not like nobody noticed , they just decided to roll with it.I think karmic will be one of those releases that ends up being fixed a lot after the fact .
I just saw a whole load of bug fixes in empathy hit the repos for instance ( empathy ca n't hold a candle next to pidgin , btw ) .
Some bugs are more annoying , like the GDK changes that developers must have known would break many apps ( including flash ) .
So yeah , I am starting to question this 6 month release cycle thing.And do n't get me started on gnome 2.28 .
I personally think that 's moving in way the wrong direction .
But that 's a flamewar for another story .
: - ) To provide a counter-example , I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years .
Out of those , NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu , even Karmic.I did n't think we were talking about problems with the upgrade process itself .
Rather , it 's the build quality that is a bit off this time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway?
If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.From the point of view of someone that noticed a lot of annoying bugs in the new release.
No, I did not run the alpha/beta but I did run the previous version and reported a bunch of bugs that didn't get fixed.
Second, when I went to launchpad to report the bugs (mostly regressions, mind you, which is what annoys me) in this version, they were already reported, from before release.
So it's not like nobody noticed, they just decided to roll with it.I think karmic will be one of those releases that ends up being fixed a lot after the fact.
I just saw a whole load of bug fixes in empathy hit the repos for instance (empathy can't hold a candle next to pidgin, btw).
Some bugs are more annoying, like the GDK changes that developers must have known would break many apps (including flash).
So yeah, I am starting to question this 6 month release cycle thing.And don't get me started on gnome 2.28.
I personally think that's moving in way the wrong direction.
But that's a flamewar for another story.
:-)To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years.
Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.I didn't think we were talking about problems with the upgrade process itself.
Rather, it's the build quality that is a bit off this time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970090</id>
	<title>Problems Here</title>
	<author>DeanFox</author>
	<datestamp>1257249420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
Moving to 9.04 I could hardly tell the difference.  9.04 to 9.10 - Different story.  Immediately started to see a *lot* of crash reports being generated. A *lot* in Ubuntu terms is any number greater than zero.
<br> <br>
However, I have to say.  A tweak here and a tweak there and everything seems back to normal.  A crash report took me to a blog where the solution had already been found: Turn on ECC Memory in the BIOS was one fix.  Conky, a real time desktop updating display thing was crashing... unload and reinstall... A couple other tweaks and my server was back to normal.  Another was I couldn't switch workspaces any more with my mouse wheel.  The fix was I had to install a GUI control manager and change two values...
<br> <br>
What makes this extraordinary, it seems to me, is this has never happened with Ubuntu before.  An upgrade was nothing more than push a button.  Post upgrade tweaks are fairly normal with other distros but it's never been with Ubunto.
<br> <br>
In the Windows world what I went through is the equivalent to finding a few new drivers for a couple devices after going from Vista to whatever their new version is...
<br> <br>
But from what I've seen so far this has been worth every tweak I had to make.  All the changes I've seen so far are extraordinary. I am in awe.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<br> <br>
As is everything else... JMHO
<br>
-[d]-</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moving to 9.04 I could hardly tell the difference .
9.04 to 9.10 - Different story .
Immediately started to see a * lot * of crash reports being generated .
A * lot * in Ubuntu terms is any number greater than zero .
However , I have to say .
A tweak here and a tweak there and everything seems back to normal .
A crash report took me to a blog where the solution had already been found : Turn on ECC Memory in the BIOS was one fix .
Conky , a real time desktop updating display thing was crashing... unload and reinstall... A couple other tweaks and my server was back to normal .
Another was I could n't switch workspaces any more with my mouse wheel .
The fix was I had to install a GUI control manager and change two values.. . What makes this extraordinary , it seems to me , is this has never happened with Ubuntu before .
An upgrade was nothing more than push a button .
Post upgrade tweaks are fairly normal with other distros but it 's never been with Ubunto .
In the Windows world what I went through is the equivalent to finding a few new drivers for a couple devices after going from Vista to whatever their new version is.. . But from what I 've seen so far this has been worth every tweak I had to make .
All the changes I 've seen so far are extraordinary .
I am in awe .
: ) As is everything else... JMHO - [ d ] -</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Moving to 9.04 I could hardly tell the difference.
9.04 to 9.10 - Different story.
Immediately started to see a *lot* of crash reports being generated.
A *lot* in Ubuntu terms is any number greater than zero.
However, I have to say.
A tweak here and a tweak there and everything seems back to normal.
A crash report took me to a blog where the solution had already been found: Turn on ECC Memory in the BIOS was one fix.
Conky, a real time desktop updating display thing was crashing... unload and reinstall... A couple other tweaks and my server was back to normal.
Another was I couldn't switch workspaces any more with my mouse wheel.
The fix was I had to install a GUI control manager and change two values...
 
What makes this extraordinary, it seems to me, is this has never happened with Ubuntu before.
An upgrade was nothing more than push a button.
Post upgrade tweaks are fairly normal with other distros but it's never been with Ubunto.
In the Windows world what I went through is the equivalent to finding a few new drivers for a couple devices after going from Vista to whatever their new version is...
 
But from what I've seen so far this has been worth every tweak I had to make.
All the changes I've seen so far are extraordinary.
I am in awe.
:)
 
As is everything else... JMHO

-[d]-</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972356</id>
	<title>DNS Problems</title>
	<author>lavaforge</author>
	<datestamp>1257260100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coming in late to the conversation, but what the hey.</p><p>The biggest thing I've noticed so far is that DNS lookup in the default install is CRAZY slow for me.  I've read some posts about blacklisting the ip6 module or changing the name resolving order, but I'd rather not use a temporary workaround that's incompatible with whatever fix they eventually choose to implement.  The bug is here, by the way:  <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417757" title="launchpad.net">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417757</a> [launchpad.net]</p><p>Other than that, I've noticed instability in Flash, some general UI unresponsiveness, and a (now fixed) bug in the update manager that would throw up a kernel oops message.</p><p>It sure is pretty, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coming in late to the conversation , but what the hey.The biggest thing I 've noticed so far is that DNS lookup in the default install is CRAZY slow for me .
I 've read some posts about blacklisting the ip6 module or changing the name resolving order , but I 'd rather not use a temporary workaround that 's incompatible with whatever fix they eventually choose to implement .
The bug is here , by the way : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/linux/ + bug/417757 [ launchpad.net ] Other than that , I 've noticed instability in Flash , some general UI unresponsiveness , and a ( now fixed ) bug in the update manager that would throw up a kernel oops message.It sure is pretty , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coming in late to the conversation, but what the hey.The biggest thing I've noticed so far is that DNS lookup in the default install is CRAZY slow for me.
I've read some posts about blacklisting the ip6 module or changing the name resolving order, but I'd rather not use a temporary workaround that's incompatible with whatever fix they eventually choose to implement.
The bug is here, by the way:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417757 [launchpad.net]Other than that, I've noticed instability in Flash, some general UI unresponsiveness, and a (now fixed) bug in the update manager that would throw up a kernel oops message.It sure is pretty, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972108</id>
	<title>Re:There's a shocker...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257258480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My machine wasn't very "usable" when X didn't work, forcing me to a terminal that blinked like a strobe light.  It didn't help matters that my keyboard input was being dropped.  I could have probably tolerated the flashing until I installed sshd and configured X remotely, but the keyboard problem made it tough to log in (when I couldn't see if the keyboard registered my password characters).</p><p>Then again, I reinstalled the OS, making no changes in configuration (both were fresh installs, as this machine was previously using Arch), and it worked fine.</p><p>- An Ubuntu user since 5.04, typing on 9.10</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My machine was n't very " usable " when X did n't work , forcing me to a terminal that blinked like a strobe light .
It did n't help matters that my keyboard input was being dropped .
I could have probably tolerated the flashing until I installed sshd and configured X remotely , but the keyboard problem made it tough to log in ( when I could n't see if the keyboard registered my password characters ) .Then again , I reinstalled the OS , making no changes in configuration ( both were fresh installs , as this machine was previously using Arch ) , and it worked fine.- An Ubuntu user since 5.04 , typing on 9.10</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My machine wasn't very "usable" when X didn't work, forcing me to a terminal that blinked like a strobe light.
It didn't help matters that my keyboard input was being dropped.
I could have probably tolerated the flashing until I installed sshd and configured X remotely, but the keyboard problem made it tough to log in (when I couldn't see if the keyboard registered my password characters).Then again, I reinstalled the OS, making no changes in configuration (both were fresh installs, as this machine was previously using Arch), and it worked fine.- An Ubuntu user since 5.04, typing on 9.10</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976234</id>
	<title>Re:netbook remix</title>
	<author>EponymousCustard</author>
	<datestamp>1256992080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i almost didn't believe you...but it's true: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unr-meta/+bug/443298" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unr-meta/+bug/443298</a> [launchpad.net]
however i will be upgrading to karmic after (release date + 1 month) to take advantage of the improved intel graphics drivers and full screen flash without flicker (at least when i try the karmic livecd it works well)</htmltext>
<tokenext>i almost did n't believe you...but it 's true : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/unr-meta/ + bug/443298 [ launchpad.net ] however i will be upgrading to karmic after ( release date + 1 month ) to take advantage of the improved intel graphics drivers and full screen flash without flicker ( at least when i try the karmic livecd it works well )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i almost didn't believe you...but it's true: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unr-meta/+bug/443298 [launchpad.net]
however i will be upgrading to karmic after (release date + 1 month) to take advantage of the improved intel graphics drivers and full screen flash without flicker (at least when i try the karmic livecd it works well)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969684</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970758</id>
	<title>Numerous problems, all downgrades from Jaunty</title>
	<author>musicon</author>
	<datestamp>1257251700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unlike previous releases where I jumped in fairly early in the beta process (beta 2 or 3), I waited to move to Karmic until the release. I also decided to do a clean install this time to <i>ensure</i> I wouldn't run into any upgrade issues.</p><p>Unfortunately, despite the supposed "papercut" fixes, this release seems far more prone to problems. On my Dell Latitude 620 (with Intel graphics, mind you):</p><ol>
<li>Where Jaunty did great handling my laptop display and external monitor, Karmic has had no end of problems; problems that kept enforcing mirroring of displays, continually defaulting to 1024x768, random placements of the taskbar and notification popups, etc. See <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8229025" title="ubuntuforums.org">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8229025</a> [ubuntuforums.org] about moving the taskbar.</li><li>Totem/gstreamer had no display, just a blank screen. Finally found <a href="http://blog.php-oop.net/archives/39" title="php-oop.net">http://blog.php-oop.net/archives/39</a> [php-oop.net] </li><li>The system defaulted to enabling compiz. I turned it off while troubleshooting all of the other video errors, but now it won't enable again.</li><li>Despite the touted KMS, I still have a 2-3 second wait at boot (text mode from Grub I'm assuming), and later a 2-3 second delay with a blank screen excepting an underscore in the top-left corner that shows up between the boot image (eg, usplash) and the "pulsing" gdm startup</li><li>The overall boot time (from power on to entering my password) is roughly identical to Jaunty -- I don't notice any difference.</li><li>Power usage seems to be about the same, although powertop has reported a spike of 33W whereas before I never saw it go over 19W.</li><li>Much higher memory usage reported in system monitor (previously most of the memory was allocated to cache, now most of it is allocated to programs).</li></ol><p>About the only good thing I can say (which may also be attributed to the larger 500G drive I swapped in for the install), is that overall the system seems smoother and more responsive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlike previous releases where I jumped in fairly early in the beta process ( beta 2 or 3 ) , I waited to move to Karmic until the release .
I also decided to do a clean install this time to ensure I would n't run into any upgrade issues.Unfortunately , despite the supposed " papercut " fixes , this release seems far more prone to problems .
On my Dell Latitude 620 ( with Intel graphics , mind you ) : Where Jaunty did great handling my laptop display and external monitor , Karmic has had no end of problems ; problems that kept enforcing mirroring of displays , continually defaulting to 1024x768 , random placements of the taskbar and notification popups , etc .
See http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? p = 8229025 [ ubuntuforums.org ] about moving the taskbar.Totem/gstreamer had no display , just a blank screen .
Finally found http : //blog.php-oop.net/archives/39 [ php-oop.net ] The system defaulted to enabling compiz .
I turned it off while troubleshooting all of the other video errors , but now it wo n't enable again.Despite the touted KMS , I still have a 2-3 second wait at boot ( text mode from Grub I 'm assuming ) , and later a 2-3 second delay with a blank screen excepting an underscore in the top-left corner that shows up between the boot image ( eg , usplash ) and the " pulsing " gdm startupThe overall boot time ( from power on to entering my password ) is roughly identical to Jaunty -- I do n't notice any difference.Power usage seems to be about the same , although powertop has reported a spike of 33W whereas before I never saw it go over 19W.Much higher memory usage reported in system monitor ( previously most of the memory was allocated to cache , now most of it is allocated to programs ) .About the only good thing I can say ( which may also be attributed to the larger 500G drive I swapped in for the install ) , is that overall the system seems smoother and more responsive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlike previous releases where I jumped in fairly early in the beta process (beta 2 or 3), I waited to move to Karmic until the release.
I also decided to do a clean install this time to ensure I wouldn't run into any upgrade issues.Unfortunately, despite the supposed "papercut" fixes, this release seems far more prone to problems.
On my Dell Latitude 620 (with Intel graphics, mind you):
Where Jaunty did great handling my laptop display and external monitor, Karmic has had no end of problems; problems that kept enforcing mirroring of displays, continually defaulting to 1024x768, random placements of the taskbar and notification popups, etc.
See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8229025 [ubuntuforums.org] about moving the taskbar.Totem/gstreamer had no display, just a blank screen.
Finally found http://blog.php-oop.net/archives/39 [php-oop.net] The system defaulted to enabling compiz.
I turned it off while troubleshooting all of the other video errors, but now it won't enable again.Despite the touted KMS, I still have a 2-3 second wait at boot (text mode from Grub I'm assuming), and later a 2-3 second delay with a blank screen excepting an underscore in the top-left corner that shows up between the boot image (eg, usplash) and the "pulsing" gdm startupThe overall boot time (from power on to entering my password) is roughly identical to Jaunty -- I don't notice any difference.Power usage seems to be about the same, although powertop has reported a spike of 33W whereas before I never saw it go over 19W.Much higher memory usage reported in system monitor (previously most of the memory was allocated to cache, now most of it is allocated to programs).About the only good thing I can say (which may also be attributed to the larger 500G drive I swapped in for the install), is that overall the system seems smoother and more responsive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970286</id>
	<title>Some hickups with alpha 1</title>
	<author>AmonTheMetalhead</author>
	<datestamp>1257250080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But the final was a smooth ride for me, everything works flawlessy (as far as i can tell), even pulseaudio. I'm not going back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the final was a smooth ride for me , everything works flawlessy ( as far as i can tell ) , even pulseaudio .
I 'm not going back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the final was a smooth ride for me, everything works flawlessy (as far as i can tell), even pulseaudio.
I'm not going back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971944</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Rozine</author>
	<datestamp>1257257220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a similar video issue until I switched to the generic kernel branch.  I guess the 386 version doesn't like the nvidia driver.  Maybe that will work for you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a similar video issue until I switched to the generic kernel branch .
I guess the 386 version does n't like the nvidia driver .
Maybe that will work for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a similar video issue until I switched to the generic kernel branch.
I guess the 386 version doesn't like the nvidia driver.
Maybe that will work for you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975934</id>
	<title>No major issues since early October</title>
	<author>hoover</author>
	<datestamp>1256988960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded from 9.04 to karmic beta in early October and have been running it without major problems since. The screen flickers a bit when changing from the boot logo (actually it was xubuntu 9.04 I was upgrading from) to the desktop resolution and I have had to manually add some packageswhich I thought were there by default in karmic (empathy, ubuntu one), but I've had no issues or problems otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 to karmic beta in early October and have been running it without major problems since .
The screen flickers a bit when changing from the boot logo ( actually it was xubuntu 9.04 I was upgrading from ) to the desktop resolution and I have had to manually add some packageswhich I thought were there by default in karmic ( empathy , ubuntu one ) , but I 've had no issues or problems otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04 to karmic beta in early October and have been running it without major problems since.
The screen flickers a bit when changing from the boot logo (actually it was xubuntu 9.04 I was upgrading from) to the desktop resolution and I have had to manually add some packageswhich I thought were there by default in karmic (empathy, ubuntu one), but I've had no issues or problems otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971620</id>
	<title>Early Adaption Success</title>
	<author>FatherDale</author>
	<datestamp>1257255420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I moved my EEE 901 to 9.10 about three weeks before the final release. I was bored one day, and that just happened. I've never been happier with an OS. After the official release, I moved my desktop and my work laptop to 9.10. Zero issues. I mean, none, not "fewer than usual", none. The EEE was a clean install, the desktop was a fresh partition, and the work laptop was an upgrade over 9.04. Everything works -- more stuff on the EEE than worked in 9.04. Guess your mileage may vary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I moved my EEE 901 to 9.10 about three weeks before the final release .
I was bored one day , and that just happened .
I 've never been happier with an OS .
After the official release , I moved my desktop and my work laptop to 9.10 .
Zero issues .
I mean , none , not " fewer than usual " , none .
The EEE was a clean install , the desktop was a fresh partition , and the work laptop was an upgrade over 9.04 .
Everything works -- more stuff on the EEE than worked in 9.04 .
Guess your mileage may vary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I moved my EEE 901 to 9.10 about three weeks before the final release.
I was bored one day, and that just happened.
I've never been happier with an OS.
After the official release, I moved my desktop and my work laptop to 9.10.
Zero issues.
I mean, none, not "fewer than usual", none.
The EEE was a clean install, the desktop was a fresh partition, and the work laptop was an upgrade over 9.04.
Everything works -- more stuff on the EEE than worked in 9.04.
Guess your mileage may vary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972248</id>
	<title>DO NOT WANT</title>
	<author>endianx</author>
	<datestamp>1257259320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am very unhappy with Koala (Server install).  I can't get Xen working with Grub2.  I seem to lack the skills to make the switch from grub2 to grub without messing things up.<br>
<br>
I am switching back to Debian.  I love having access to newer software in the repositories in Ubuntu, but it isn't worth all this trouble.  Why switch to grub2?  Was grub one really such a major problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am very unhappy with Koala ( Server install ) .
I ca n't get Xen working with Grub2 .
I seem to lack the skills to make the switch from grub2 to grub without messing things up .
I am switching back to Debian .
I love having access to newer software in the repositories in Ubuntu , but it is n't worth all this trouble .
Why switch to grub2 ?
Was grub one really such a major problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am very unhappy with Koala (Server install).
I can't get Xen working with Grub2.
I seem to lack the skills to make the switch from grub2 to grub without messing things up.
I am switching back to Debian.
I love having access to newer software in the repositories in Ubuntu, but it isn't worth all this trouble.
Why switch to grub2?
Was grub one really such a major problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969868</id>
	<title>Gotta love VMWare 2.0.1</title>
	<author>magsol</author>
	<datestamp>1257248760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Karmic Koala upgrade worked flawlessly on its VM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Karmic Koala upgrade worked flawlessly on its VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Karmic Koala upgrade worked flawlessly on its VM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978560</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>shic</author>
	<datestamp>1257005940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu:</p><p>I needed to make room to upgrade, because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full. </p></div><p>Ditto... I spannered my 9.04 and then decided to swap the 16GB and 4GB partitions - since I'll likely only ever need a few megs for my own documents.  It took several attempts - but, eventually it worked... (and I'm not sure what went wrong when the re-install failed... it might have been my fault)</p><p>That said, I'm fairly impressed.  I love PAN support for 3G via a bluetooth phone in NetworkManager - but I am frustrated that VPN support seems intermittently buggy.  I've had to start my VPN up-to a dozen times... it's not clear what's the problem - but there's an open ticket that seems to describe my issue.</p><p>Very impressed with the release in general...</p><p>I'm curious about "Ubuntu One"... on the surface it looks incredibly useful - but, conversely, I definitely do not want to put my personal documents (perhaps including banking details, say) into the cloud unencrypted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu : I needed to make room to upgrade , because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full .
Ditto... I spannered my 9.04 and then decided to swap the 16GB and 4GB partitions - since I 'll likely only ever need a few megs for my own documents .
It took several attempts - but , eventually it worked... ( and I 'm not sure what went wrong when the re-install failed... it might have been my fault ) That said , I 'm fairly impressed .
I love PAN support for 3G via a bluetooth phone in NetworkManager - but I am frustrated that VPN support seems intermittently buggy .
I 've had to start my VPN up-to a dozen times... it 's not clear what 's the problem - but there 's an open ticket that seems to describe my issue.Very impressed with the release in general...I 'm curious about " Ubuntu One " ... on the surface it looks incredibly useful - but , conversely , I definitely do not want to put my personal documents ( perhaps including banking details , say ) into the cloud unencrypted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu:I needed to make room to upgrade, because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full.
Ditto... I spannered my 9.04 and then decided to swap the 16GB and 4GB partitions - since I'll likely only ever need a few megs for my own documents.
It took several attempts - but, eventually it worked... (and I'm not sure what went wrong when the re-install failed... it might have been my fault)That said, I'm fairly impressed.
I love PAN support for 3G via a bluetooth phone in NetworkManager - but I am frustrated that VPN support seems intermittently buggy.
I've had to start my VPN up-to a dozen times... it's not clear what's the problem - but there's an open ticket that seems to describe my issue.Very impressed with the release in general...I'm curious about "Ubuntu One"... on the surface it looks incredibly useful - but, conversely, I definitely do not want to put my personal documents (perhaps including banking details, say) into the cloud unencrypted.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974188</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>daniel.b.douglas</author>
	<datestamp>1257274140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had the same issue with Flash, as well as having had to do some mucking about to get wireless working on my laptop.  I don't really blame Ubuntu for the latter, though, as the wireless card in the laptop wasn't Linux compatible originally and only recently had drivers published.

Those are my only two issues... I'm moderately satisfied though I do hope future versions will anticipate the kinds of errors reported a bit better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had the same issue with Flash , as well as having had to do some mucking about to get wireless working on my laptop .
I do n't really blame Ubuntu for the latter , though , as the wireless card in the laptop was n't Linux compatible originally and only recently had drivers published .
Those are my only two issues... I 'm moderately satisfied though I do hope future versions will anticipate the kinds of errors reported a bit better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had the same issue with Flash, as well as having had to do some mucking about to get wireless working on my laptop.
I don't really blame Ubuntu for the latter, though, as the wireless card in the laptop wasn't Linux compatible originally and only recently had drivers published.
Those are my only two issues... I'm moderately satisfied though I do hope future versions will anticipate the kinds of errors reported a bit better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975286</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1256982360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just upgraded Slackware from 13 to current on the same machine - updated the package list, and told it to upgrade everything - then it asked me if which config files I wanted to overwrite, booted it, and it all worked as it was supposed to.</p><p>I had more problems with the 2 weeks I tried running Ubuntu then the last 5 years with Slackware on my desktop.<br>(Not going to talk about my Slackware 3.5 and ISDN issues back in the 90s!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just upgraded Slackware from 13 to current on the same machine - updated the package list , and told it to upgrade everything - then it asked me if which config files I wanted to overwrite , booted it , and it all worked as it was supposed to.I had more problems with the 2 weeks I tried running Ubuntu then the last 5 years with Slackware on my desktop .
( Not going to talk about my Slackware 3.5 and ISDN issues back in the 90s !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just upgraded Slackware from 13 to current on the same machine - updated the package list, and told it to upgrade everything - then it asked me if which config files I wanted to overwrite, booted it, and it all worked as it was supposed to.I had more problems with the 2 weeks I tried running Ubuntu then the last 5 years with Slackware on my desktop.
(Not going to talk about my Slackware 3.5 and ISDN issues back in the 90s!
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975180</id>
	<title>So they have a vista of their own now...</title>
	<author>Noctris</author>
	<datestamp>1256981460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How Cute...
<br> <br>
And that kids, is why people wait a while before blindly upgrading to a new version</htmltext>
<tokenext>How Cute.. . And that kids , is why people wait a while before blindly upgrading to a new version</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How Cute...
 
And that kids, is why people wait a while before blindly upgrading to a new version</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978182</id>
	<title>Works 100\%</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257004560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        I installed the Karmic Koala version of Ultimate Edition Ubuntu and it works just fine and without any problems at all.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I can say that it boots so fast that I have one hard drive that can not reach speed fast enough to keep up and I sometimes have to do a reboot on the first boot of the day. Both the boot speed and the shut down speed are flat out superior.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If one wishes to run Ubuntu then Ultimate Edition is a fabulous choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed the Karmic Koala version of Ultimate Edition Ubuntu and it works just fine and without any problems at all .
                I can say that it boots so fast that I have one hard drive that can not reach speed fast enough to keep up and I sometimes have to do a reboot on the first boot of the day .
Both the boot speed and the shut down speed are flat out superior .
                If one wishes to run Ubuntu then Ultimate Edition is a fabulous choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        I installed the Karmic Koala version of Ultimate Edition Ubuntu and it works just fine and without any problems at all.
                I can say that it boots so fast that I have one hard drive that can not reach speed fast enough to keep up and I sometimes have to do a reboot on the first boot of the day.
Both the boot speed and the shut down speed are flat out superior.
                If one wishes to run Ubuntu then Ultimate Edition is a fabulous choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972996</id>
	<title>Painless, easy upgrade</title>
	<author>bangin</author>
	<datestamp>1257265260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm running a dual boot system with Vista and Ubuntu. The Karmic Koala upgrade went smoothly and easily. Really I can't say enough good about my experiences with Ubuntu. I've never had anything not work that wasn't easy to find the solution to on line and easy to fix. And considering the price tag Ubuntu is awesome. If I didn't play computer video games I wouldn't bother with Windows at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running a dual boot system with Vista and Ubuntu .
The Karmic Koala upgrade went smoothly and easily .
Really I ca n't say enough good about my experiences with Ubuntu .
I 've never had anything not work that was n't easy to find the solution to on line and easy to fix .
And considering the price tag Ubuntu is awesome .
If I did n't play computer video games I would n't bother with Windows at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running a dual boot system with Vista and Ubuntu.
The Karmic Koala upgrade went smoothly and easily.
Really I can't say enough good about my experiences with Ubuntu.
I've never had anything not work that wasn't easy to find the solution to on line and easy to fix.
And considering the price tag Ubuntu is awesome.
If I didn't play computer video games I wouldn't bother with Windows at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970914</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Zzootnik</author>
	<datestamp>1257252240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?  I upgraded my kubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 without a single hitch...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Of course I'm also currently backing up and re-installing from scratch a system I just finished building 2 weeks ago for a friend... the upgrade from 9.04 Ubuntu to 9.10 wouldn't even boot....</p><p>It shouldn't take too long, but there's considerable embarrassment on my Part about it.  ("No REALLY- Its Normally a LOT more graceful than that!")<br>Stumbling really hurts-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
I upgraded my kubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 without a single hitch... ...Of course I 'm also currently backing up and re-installing from scratch a system I just finished building 2 weeks ago for a friend... the upgrade from 9.04 Ubuntu to 9.10 would n't even boot....It should n't take too long , but there 's considerable embarrassment on my Part about it .
( " No REALLY- Its Normally a LOT more graceful than that !
" ) Stumbling really hurts-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
I upgraded my kubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 without a single hitch... ...Of course I'm also currently backing up and re-installing from scratch a system I just finished building 2 weeks ago for a friend... the upgrade from 9.04 Ubuntu to 9.10 wouldn't even boot....It shouldn't take too long, but there's considerable embarrassment on my Part about it.
("No REALLY- Its Normally a LOT more graceful than that!
")Stumbling really hurts-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979442</id>
	<title>Re:No problems here, on two computers</title>
	<author>eddy the lip</author>
	<datestamp>1257008700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers, and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before, in Jaunty.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is exciting - I picked up a 1050ha this summer and have been suffering along with the pre-installed XP because I didn't want to fuss with the drivers (and I knew this would eventually be taken care of.) Very good news...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers , and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before , in Jaunty.This is exciting - I picked up a 1050ha this summer and have been suffering along with the pre-installed XP because I did n't want to fuss with the drivers ( and I knew this would eventually be taken care of .
) Very good news.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers, and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before, in Jaunty.This is exciting - I picked up a 1050ha this summer and have been suffering along with the pre-installed XP because I didn't want to fuss with the drivers (and I knew this would eventually be taken care of.
) Very good news...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979068</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>eddy the lip</author>
	<datestamp>1257007560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had two extremely minor issues - some language packs were not found during the upgrade (this fixed itself the very next time synaptic kicked in), and my network adapter didn't connect until I rebooted. Aside from that, my anecdotal experience has been that I noticed very little change (nice), and everything seems noticeably faster (very nice.)</p><p>I don't have time, unfortunately, to keep track of everything that changes each release anymore, and fuss with various things to try them out. To a large extent I've become Joe User - my machine is for work, and not playing around to make things go. My experience with Ubuntu has been extremely positive in that regard. I've had more annoying issues with Vista (same hardware - dual boot), like my speakers suddenly not working anymore. Ubuntu's not perfect, but I have far fewer annoyances with it.</p><p>Perhaps most importantly, if something does break, I can still drop to a command line and get it fixed. No, that's not for everyone. For me it beats the heck out of the way Windows tucks everything away from me and I have rely on uninstalling and reinstalling and general blind screwing around if something goes south.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had two extremely minor issues - some language packs were not found during the upgrade ( this fixed itself the very next time synaptic kicked in ) , and my network adapter did n't connect until I rebooted .
Aside from that , my anecdotal experience has been that I noticed very little change ( nice ) , and everything seems noticeably faster ( very nice .
) I do n't have time , unfortunately , to keep track of everything that changes each release anymore , and fuss with various things to try them out .
To a large extent I 've become Joe User - my machine is for work , and not playing around to make things go .
My experience with Ubuntu has been extremely positive in that regard .
I 've had more annoying issues with Vista ( same hardware - dual boot ) , like my speakers suddenly not working anymore .
Ubuntu 's not perfect , but I have far fewer annoyances with it.Perhaps most importantly , if something does break , I can still drop to a command line and get it fixed .
No , that 's not for everyone .
For me it beats the heck out of the way Windows tucks everything away from me and I have rely on uninstalling and reinstalling and general blind screwing around if something goes south .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had two extremely minor issues - some language packs were not found during the upgrade (this fixed itself the very next time synaptic kicked in), and my network adapter didn't connect until I rebooted.
Aside from that, my anecdotal experience has been that I noticed very little change (nice), and everything seems noticeably faster (very nice.
)I don't have time, unfortunately, to keep track of everything that changes each release anymore, and fuss with various things to try them out.
To a large extent I've become Joe User - my machine is for work, and not playing around to make things go.
My experience with Ubuntu has been extremely positive in that regard.
I've had more annoying issues with Vista (same hardware - dual boot), like my speakers suddenly not working anymore.
Ubuntu's not perfect, but I have far fewer annoyances with it.Perhaps most importantly, if something does break, I can still drop to a command line and get it fixed.
No, that's not for everyone.
For me it beats the heck out of the way Windows tucks everything away from me and I have rely on uninstalling and reinstalling and general blind screwing around if something goes south.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973582</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>Linuxmonger</author>
	<datestamp>1257270300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Netscape??? Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netscape ? ? ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netscape???
Really?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969828</id>
	<title>My problems with 9.1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Blank and flickering screens: Yes.  I was running NVIDIA 180.29.  The new kernel, being GCC 4.4 barfed.  In fact, it caused screen flickers, which caused strangely Hard Disk read errors, keyboard input failures, and would lock up my computer if I couldnt' SSH in from another machien to do a "sudo service gdm stop"<p>

Failure to recognize hard drives: No</p><p>

Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Yep.  Does not set the new 2.6.30-14-generic as default.  So I have to keep arrowing up in grub.  I'll reset this myself.</p><p>

I also am having a problem with X-Plane 9.40.  I use to get 60FPS no problem.  I get 20 now.  Notably I upgraded to NVIDIA 190.42 as a result of the 180.29 issues.  But, it doesn't matter on the NVIDIA version.  Strangely I found a work around.  If I go to Preferences/Rendering and exit out, about 1/3 of the time I get back to 60FPS.  My guess is the OpenAL or pulseaudio as it's reinitialized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blank and flickering screens : Yes .
I was running NVIDIA 180.29 .
The new kernel , being GCC 4.4 barfed .
In fact , it caused screen flickers , which caused strangely Hard Disk read errors , keyboard input failures , and would lock up my computer if I couldnt ' SSH in from another machien to do a " sudo service gdm stop " Failure to recognize hard drives : No Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel : Yep .
Does not set the new 2.6.30-14-generic as default .
So I have to keep arrowing up in grub .
I 'll reset this myself .
I also am having a problem with X-Plane 9.40 .
I use to get 60FPS no problem .
I get 20 now .
Notably I upgraded to NVIDIA 190.42 as a result of the 180.29 issues .
But , it does n't matter on the NVIDIA version .
Strangely I found a work around .
If I go to Preferences/Rendering and exit out , about 1/3 of the time I get back to 60FPS .
My guess is the OpenAL or pulseaudio as it 's reinitialized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blank and flickering screens: Yes.
I was running NVIDIA 180.29.
The new kernel, being GCC 4.4 barfed.
In fact, it caused screen flickers, which caused strangely Hard Disk read errors, keyboard input failures, and would lock up my computer if I couldnt' SSH in from another machien to do a "sudo service gdm stop"

Failure to recognize hard drives: No

Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Yep.
Does not set the new 2.6.30-14-generic as default.
So I have to keep arrowing up in grub.
I'll reset this myself.
I also am having a problem with X-Plane 9.40.
I use to get 60FPS no problem.
I get 20 now.
Notably I upgraded to NVIDIA 190.42 as a result of the 180.29 issues.
But, it doesn't matter on the NVIDIA version.
Strangely I found a work around.
If I go to Preferences/Rendering and exit out, about 1/3 of the time I get back to 60FPS.
My guess is the OpenAL or pulseaudio as it's reinitialized.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969592</id>
	<title>Rhythmbox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been pretty happy with it. The only problem I've run into so far is Rhythmbox has trouble playing music off my Firefly daapd server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been pretty happy with it .
The only problem I 've run into so far is Rhythmbox has trouble playing music off my Firefly daapd server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been pretty happy with it.
The only problem I've run into so far is Rhythmbox has trouble playing music off my Firefly daapd server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974328</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL. Which part of MS do you work for again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL .
Which part of MS do you work for again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL.
Which part of MS do you work for again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976556</id>
	<title>Fantastic release</title>
	<author>andre\_pl</author>
	<datestamp>1256995560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i did a clean install on my laptop (non-essential machine and a clean install goes a lot faster).  The process was very quick and painless, by far the most pleasant ubuntu installation yet.  the only issue I've had, which seems to have cleared itself up, with some updates, was that ctrl+C wasn't working in my terminal,it wouldn't do anything at all...</p><p>overall i think the improvements in karmic are more significant than many of the previous releases, everything looks and feels better. thumbs-up to the chocolate brown color, the orange was starting to get played-out.  a friend of mine was here when I did my reinstall, when it booted up to a beautiful, fully functional desktop just 20 minutes after I started the install, he was so impressed he took the live CD home and installed it for himself.  </p><p>Its been 3 days and I've yet to have a single question or complaint from him.. everything is working including his sound card, which wasn't working under windows.  he even figured out how to get mp3/xvid support all by himself. I'm both proud of him and of ubuntu. things have come a long way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i did a clean install on my laptop ( non-essential machine and a clean install goes a lot faster ) .
The process was very quick and painless , by far the most pleasant ubuntu installation yet .
the only issue I 've had , which seems to have cleared itself up , with some updates , was that ctrl + C was n't working in my terminal,it would n't do anything at all...overall i think the improvements in karmic are more significant than many of the previous releases , everything looks and feels better .
thumbs-up to the chocolate brown color , the orange was starting to get played-out .
a friend of mine was here when I did my reinstall , when it booted up to a beautiful , fully functional desktop just 20 minutes after I started the install , he was so impressed he took the live CD home and installed it for himself .
Its been 3 days and I 've yet to have a single question or complaint from him.. everything is working including his sound card , which was n't working under windows .
he even figured out how to get mp3/xvid support all by himself .
I 'm both proud of him and of ubuntu .
things have come a long way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i did a clean install on my laptop (non-essential machine and a clean install goes a lot faster).
The process was very quick and painless, by far the most pleasant ubuntu installation yet.
the only issue I've had, which seems to have cleared itself up, with some updates, was that ctrl+C wasn't working in my terminal,it wouldn't do anything at all...overall i think the improvements in karmic are more significant than many of the previous releases, everything looks and feels better.
thumbs-up to the chocolate brown color, the orange was starting to get played-out.
a friend of mine was here when I did my reinstall, when it booted up to a beautiful, fully functional desktop just 20 minutes after I started the install, he was so impressed he took the live CD home and installed it for himself.
Its been 3 days and I've yet to have a single question or complaint from him.. everything is working including his sound card, which wasn't working under windows.
he even figured out how to get mp3/xvid support all by himself.
I'm both proud of him and of ubuntu.
things have come a long way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977168</id>
	<title>Ubuntu 9.10 rules for Laptops (Sony SZ770)</title>
	<author>Silicontoad</author>
	<datestamp>1257000120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 since Alpha4 (dist-upgraded) every week on my Sony SZ770 - I can tell you that no other linux distro every supported my laptop as Ubuntu 9.10 (HAL was so shite). For me the only bug was ext4 error (touch wood), everything from sound to brightness controls work out of the box. I compile most of my progies, not a single problem. But seriously if you want tested use debian lenny, lenny is a beast that is still better win7 - I'm happy I jumped ships a while ago</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running Ubuntu 9.10 since Alpha4 ( dist-upgraded ) every week on my Sony SZ770 - I can tell you that no other linux distro every supported my laptop as Ubuntu 9.10 ( HAL was so shite ) .
For me the only bug was ext4 error ( touch wood ) , everything from sound to brightness controls work out of the box .
I compile most of my progies , not a single problem .
But seriously if you want tested use debian lenny , lenny is a beast that is still better win7 - I 'm happy I jumped ships a while ago</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 since Alpha4 (dist-upgraded) every week on my Sony SZ770 - I can tell you that no other linux distro every supported my laptop as Ubuntu 9.10 (HAL was so shite).
For me the only bug was ext4 error (touch wood), everything from sound to brightness controls work out of the box.
I compile most of my progies, not a single problem.
But seriously if you want tested use debian lenny, lenny is a beast that is still better win7 - I'm happy I jumped ships a while ago</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970484</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>elashish14</author>
	<datestamp>1257250740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The greatest part is that there is an exact opposite <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429898&amp;cid=29969564" title="slashdot.org">post</a> [slashdot.org] above you posted 5 minutes earlier which has received +3 without giving any details whatsoever. And here we have a post which deals exactly with the details mentioned in the summary and, where are the mods now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The greatest part is that there is an exact opposite post [ slashdot.org ] above you posted 5 minutes earlier which has received + 3 without giving any details whatsoever .
And here we have a post which deals exactly with the details mentioned in the summary and , where are the mods now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The greatest part is that there is an exact opposite post [slashdot.org] above you posted 5 minutes earlier which has received +3 without giving any details whatsoever.
And here we have a post which deals exactly with the details mentioned in the summary and, where are the mods now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971722</id>
	<title>Installation Difference</title>
	<author>landivision</author>
	<datestamp>1257255960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was both an early beta user and a user of the official release.  I had allot of problems with beta releases and with upgrades.

However with a fresh install of the official 9.10 ubuntu and kubuntu releases, I have not had any problems at all.  This is really the first ubuntu release where everything has just worked.  WPA, Widescreen video resolution with intel graphics chipset, successful resume with laptop.  I think 9.10 is great.

I am using Kubuntu on a Dell Latitude E5500 and a Shuttle PC with quad core 905cpu.  works flawlessly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was both an early beta user and a user of the official release .
I had allot of problems with beta releases and with upgrades .
However with a fresh install of the official 9.10 ubuntu and kubuntu releases , I have not had any problems at all .
This is really the first ubuntu release where everything has just worked .
WPA , Widescreen video resolution with intel graphics chipset , successful resume with laptop .
I think 9.10 is great .
I am using Kubuntu on a Dell Latitude E5500 and a Shuttle PC with quad core 905cpu .
works flawlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was both an early beta user and a user of the official release.
I had allot of problems with beta releases and with upgrades.
However with a fresh install of the official 9.10 ubuntu and kubuntu releases, I have not had any problems at all.
This is really the first ubuntu release where everything has just worked.
WPA, Widescreen video resolution with intel graphics chipset, successful resume with laptop.
I think 9.10 is great.
I am using Kubuntu on a Dell Latitude E5500 and a Shuttle PC with quad core 905cpu.
works flawlessly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970526</id>
	<title>Stung with a venom called anticlimax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my laptop from 9.04 to 9.10 at the weekend.  I was happy to see minor but noticable improvements here and there, but all said and done, it really was an anticlimax for me.</p><p>The upgrade was smooth, all apps updated to the new versions without problems except for the awkward choice when it tried to overwrite my menu.lst file.  I wish people would think about this sort of thing from the user's point of view, rather than the developer who understands what 'experimental' merge might mean...</p><p>Anyway, I was left with a working desktop that is probably one of the best Linux offerings for the home user yet.  However it was still an anticlimax. I guess I'd been excited seeing ubuntu raise their game in all sorts of areas lately, with a progressively more focused offering, aiming clearly at netbooks, desktop/laptops and severs with three separate flavours, with the 'ubuntu one' cloud hosting being offered, and the release date so closely following win7.  I really hoped it would deliver a total user experience that would satisfy non-geek users. But it didn't.</p><p>I tried to connect up to my new NAS drive, hoping for a 'map network drive + reconnect on startup' type option. It moaned about root privileges, and after just two clicks from a google search on the subject I was back into the land of forum posts saying 'edit this text file', 'run that shell command', 'here are some examples', 'chmod a new text file with your passwords in' etc. I got it to work, but it took me 1hr 59min and 50secs longer than it should have done.  Geek hobbyists like myself are prepared to go through this sort of thing, and enjoy the learning experience while they do. The average home or corporate user is not willing to go to these lengths in my opinion.</p><p>Windows plus antivirus works out cheaper by the end of the first week if you count the time spent.  I'm leaving 8.04 LTS on my wife's netbook and although it hurts to say it, i'll wait until the next major version before considering recommending it to my family and friends.</p><p>I use macos winxp and ubuntu regularly and can see the merits of each.</p><p>This is the best Linux yet, but still not yet ready for prime time IMHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my laptop from 9.04 to 9.10 at the weekend .
I was happy to see minor but noticable improvements here and there , but all said and done , it really was an anticlimax for me.The upgrade was smooth , all apps updated to the new versions without problems except for the awkward choice when it tried to overwrite my menu.lst file .
I wish people would think about this sort of thing from the user 's point of view , rather than the developer who understands what 'experimental ' merge might mean...Anyway , I was left with a working desktop that is probably one of the best Linux offerings for the home user yet .
However it was still an anticlimax .
I guess I 'd been excited seeing ubuntu raise their game in all sorts of areas lately , with a progressively more focused offering , aiming clearly at netbooks , desktop/laptops and severs with three separate flavours , with the 'ubuntu one ' cloud hosting being offered , and the release date so closely following win7 .
I really hoped it would deliver a total user experience that would satisfy non-geek users .
But it did n't.I tried to connect up to my new NAS drive , hoping for a 'map network drive + reconnect on startup ' type option .
It moaned about root privileges , and after just two clicks from a google search on the subject I was back into the land of forum posts saying 'edit this text file ' , 'run that shell command ' , 'here are some examples ' , 'chmod a new text file with your passwords in ' etc .
I got it to work , but it took me 1hr 59min and 50secs longer than it should have done .
Geek hobbyists like myself are prepared to go through this sort of thing , and enjoy the learning experience while they do .
The average home or corporate user is not willing to go to these lengths in my opinion.Windows plus antivirus works out cheaper by the end of the first week if you count the time spent .
I 'm leaving 8.04 LTS on my wife 's netbook and although it hurts to say it , i 'll wait until the next major version before considering recommending it to my family and friends.I use macos winxp and ubuntu regularly and can see the merits of each.This is the best Linux yet , but still not yet ready for prime time IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my laptop from 9.04 to 9.10 at the weekend.
I was happy to see minor but noticable improvements here and there, but all said and done, it really was an anticlimax for me.The upgrade was smooth, all apps updated to the new versions without problems except for the awkward choice when it tried to overwrite my menu.lst file.
I wish people would think about this sort of thing from the user's point of view, rather than the developer who understands what 'experimental' merge might mean...Anyway, I was left with a working desktop that is probably one of the best Linux offerings for the home user yet.
However it was still an anticlimax.
I guess I'd been excited seeing ubuntu raise their game in all sorts of areas lately, with a progressively more focused offering, aiming clearly at netbooks, desktop/laptops and severs with three separate flavours, with the 'ubuntu one' cloud hosting being offered, and the release date so closely following win7.
I really hoped it would deliver a total user experience that would satisfy non-geek users.
But it didn't.I tried to connect up to my new NAS drive, hoping for a 'map network drive + reconnect on startup' type option.
It moaned about root privileges, and after just two clicks from a google search on the subject I was back into the land of forum posts saying 'edit this text file', 'run that shell command', 'here are some examples', 'chmod a new text file with your passwords in' etc.
I got it to work, but it took me 1hr 59min and 50secs longer than it should have done.
Geek hobbyists like myself are prepared to go through this sort of thing, and enjoy the learning experience while they do.
The average home or corporate user is not willing to go to these lengths in my opinion.Windows plus antivirus works out cheaper by the end of the first week if you count the time spent.
I'm leaving 8.04 LTS on my wife's netbook and although it hurts to say it, i'll wait until the next major version before considering recommending it to my family and friends.I use macos winxp and ubuntu regularly and can see the merits of each.This is the best Linux yet, but still not yet ready for prime time IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972896</id>
	<title>Basically fine. On two different boxes.</title>
	<author>wonkavader</author>
	<datestamp>1257264360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Whas has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?"</p><p>Whas?  Well, anyway -- did two upgrades.  One on a laptop, the other on a Desktop.  One Intel with an Intel video chipset, one AMD with an ATI one.  Everything's great except lack of glx on the AMD/ATI box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Whas has been your experience if you 've moved to Karmic ? " Whas ?
Well , anyway -- did two upgrades .
One on a laptop , the other on a Desktop .
One Intel with an Intel video chipset , one AMD with an ATI one .
Everything 's great except lack of glx on the AMD/ATI box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Whas has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?"Whas?
Well, anyway -- did two upgrades.
One on a laptop, the other on a Desktop.
One Intel with an Intel video chipset, one AMD with an ATI one.
Everything's great except lack of glx on the AMD/ATI box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970354</id>
	<title>Ironic since my Fedora upgrade was painless</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1257250260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My most recent was quite painless -- I had extrapolated from that installing Ubuntu type distros would be even easier. I wonder what went wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My most recent was quite painless -- I had extrapolated from that installing Ubuntu type distros would be even easier .
I wonder what went wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My most recent was quite painless -- I had extrapolated from that installing Ubuntu type distros would be even easier.
I wonder what went wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975570</id>
	<title>Sound, Networking and Java problems</title>
	<author>apetrelli</author>
	<datestamp>1256985060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded form Kubuntu Jaunty to Karmic 64bit, I had no graphic problem but:</p><ul><li>a problem with sound in non-KDE applications, especially Flash and VLC, solved by removing PulseAudio</li><li>a problem with networking, the network manager plasmoid has been removed in the favour of a systray application. The biggest problem is that already set configuration went away...</li><li>about Java, as I am a Java developer, was a pain. It installed JRE 1.6\_16 but, since JDK 1.6\_16 was not available (only \_15) it installed OpenJDK. To make it work I had to get back to JDK and JRE 1.6\_15 and removing OpenJDK.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded form Kubuntu Jaunty to Karmic 64bit , I had no graphic problem but : a problem with sound in non-KDE applications , especially Flash and VLC , solved by removing PulseAudioa problem with networking , the network manager plasmoid has been removed in the favour of a systray application .
The biggest problem is that already set configuration went away...about Java , as I am a Java developer , was a pain .
It installed JRE 1.6 \ _16 but , since JDK 1.6 \ _16 was not available ( only \ _15 ) it installed OpenJDK .
To make it work I had to get back to JDK and JRE 1.6 \ _15 and removing OpenJDK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded form Kubuntu Jaunty to Karmic 64bit, I had no graphic problem but:a problem with sound in non-KDE applications, especially Flash and VLC, solved by removing PulseAudioa problem with networking, the network manager plasmoid has been removed in the favour of a systray application.
The biggest problem is that already set configuration went away...about Java, as I am a Java developer, was a pain.
It installed JRE 1.6\_16 but, since JDK 1.6\_16 was not available (only \_15) it installed OpenJDK.
To make it work I had to get back to JDK and JRE 1.6\_15 and removing OpenJDK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972846</id>
	<title>upgrade failed miserably</title>
	<author>gsgleason</author>
	<datestamp>1257263940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I backed up my home directories and attempted an upgrade.  It failed, miserably.  I wiped and did a clean install of 9.10 and since then have had no issues at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I backed up my home directories and attempted an upgrade .
It failed , miserably .
I wiped and did a clean install of 9.10 and since then have had no issues at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I backed up my home directories and attempted an upgrade.
It failed, miserably.
I wiped and did a clean install of 9.10 and since then have had no issues at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971370</id>
	<title>Pulseaudio is the biggest offender...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running Karmic since the first beta on a couple of machines - one an upgrade of upgrades (originally Edgy), the other a new build.</p><p>Sound issues were my biggest headache - first alsa then pulseaudio: between them they managed to break audio in a new way after every update. I eventually had to wipe my new build and start over as I couldn't get Pulseaudio to work with an NFTS home partition (for ease of sharing in a multi(x4)boot environment.)</p><p>I found the attitude of the pulseaudio developer quite galling - this has been a known issue since at least March/09. Similarly the Palimpsest developer thinks he knows more about hard disk SMART parameters than the manufacturers - so the disk utility gives false fail warnings on Seagate &amp; Hitachi drives.</p><p>I hate to think how many millions of man hours have been wasted thanks to these two gentlemen - I certainly wasted my share. Cannonical shouldn't include high profile packages developed by people with their attitude.</p><p>Was it worth it? I don't know, for the past few months all I've done in Ubuntu is to google for work-arounds. Meanwhile I've been *using* (and enjoying) Windows 7.</p><p>[I was trying to be temperate in the above but what the heck: the Palimpsest and Pulseaudio developers are both obstinate pricks. There,  I feel better now. Thank you.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running Karmic since the first beta on a couple of machines - one an upgrade of upgrades ( originally Edgy ) , the other a new build.Sound issues were my biggest headache - first alsa then pulseaudio : between them they managed to break audio in a new way after every update .
I eventually had to wipe my new build and start over as I could n't get Pulseaudio to work with an NFTS home partition ( for ease of sharing in a multi ( x4 ) boot environment .
) I found the attitude of the pulseaudio developer quite galling - this has been a known issue since at least March/09 .
Similarly the Palimpsest developer thinks he knows more about hard disk SMART parameters than the manufacturers - so the disk utility gives false fail warnings on Seagate &amp; Hitachi drives.I hate to think how many millions of man hours have been wasted thanks to these two gentlemen - I certainly wasted my share .
Cannonical should n't include high profile packages developed by people with their attitude.Was it worth it ?
I do n't know , for the past few months all I 've done in Ubuntu is to google for work-arounds .
Meanwhile I 've been * using * ( and enjoying ) Windows 7 .
[ I was trying to be temperate in the above but what the heck : the Palimpsest and Pulseaudio developers are both obstinate pricks .
There , I feel better now .
Thank you .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running Karmic since the first beta on a couple of machines - one an upgrade of upgrades (originally Edgy), the other a new build.Sound issues were my biggest headache - first alsa then pulseaudio: between them they managed to break audio in a new way after every update.
I eventually had to wipe my new build and start over as I couldn't get Pulseaudio to work with an NFTS home partition (for ease of sharing in a multi(x4)boot environment.
)I found the attitude of the pulseaudio developer quite galling - this has been a known issue since at least March/09.
Similarly the Palimpsest developer thinks he knows more about hard disk SMART parameters than the manufacturers - so the disk utility gives false fail warnings on Seagate &amp; Hitachi drives.I hate to think how many millions of man hours have been wasted thanks to these two gentlemen - I certainly wasted my share.
Cannonical shouldn't include high profile packages developed by people with their attitude.Was it worth it?
I don't know, for the past few months all I've done in Ubuntu is to google for work-arounds.
Meanwhile I've been *using* (and enjoying) Windows 7.
[I was trying to be temperate in the above but what the heck: the Palimpsest and Pulseaudio developers are both obstinate pricks.
There,  I feel better now.
Thank you.
]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969776</id>
	<title>It's working for me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been running it on an Acer Aspire 5050 laptop since alpha 4 and it's been great. They fixed all the problems that I had with previous versions on that laptop. Last time I had a machine that ran that smooth was my eMac G4 way back when.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been running it on an Acer Aspire 5050 laptop since alpha 4 and it 's been great .
They fixed all the problems that I had with previous versions on that laptop .
Last time I had a machine that ran that smooth was my eMac G4 way back when .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been running it on an Acer Aspire 5050 laptop since alpha 4 and it's been great.
They fixed all the problems that I had with previous versions on that laptop.
Last time I had a machine that ran that smooth was my eMac G4 way back when.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973376</id>
	<title>Re:openSUSE 11.2</title>
	<author>thatkid\_2002</author>
	<datestamp>1257268620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fedora 12: 14 days to go</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 12 : 14 days to go</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora 12: 14 days to go</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974952</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Straight to the point... my experience was very good, upgrade went smoothly with only some small glitches (reset of compiz settings and few icons missing in menu). </p><p>I don't understand people who upgrade to brand new version of operating system and expect that every thing will be ok, IT'S NEW CODE! it can't be stable.</p><p>And if you want to be sure that you've done everything you could on your end than INSTALL FROM SCRATCH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Straight to the point... my experience was very good , upgrade went smoothly with only some small glitches ( reset of compiz settings and few icons missing in menu ) .
I do n't understand people who upgrade to brand new version of operating system and expect that every thing will be ok , IT 'S NEW CODE !
it ca n't be stable.And if you want to be sure that you 've done everything you could on your end than INSTALL FROM SCRATCH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Straight to the point... my experience was very good, upgrade went smoothly with only some small glitches (reset of compiz settings and few icons missing in menu).
I don't understand people who upgrade to brand new version of operating system and expect that every thing will be ok, IT'S NEW CODE!
it can't be stable.And if you want to be sure that you've done everything you could on your end than INSTALL FROM SCRATCH!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973540</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>eee 701 here...it seems to have trouble with the battery meter, and the card reader was glitchy but seems okay now.  On the plus side, the wifi hotkey worked from the start.</p><p>I also did a fresh install of 9.1...9.04 did not leave enough space on the 4 Gb hd.</p><p>Overall, can't complain, but I also don't use the eee pc for much other than web surfing and word processing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>eee 701 here...it seems to have trouble with the battery meter , and the card reader was glitchy but seems okay now .
On the plus side , the wifi hotkey worked from the start.I also did a fresh install of 9.1...9.04 did not leave enough space on the 4 Gb hd.Overall , ca n't complain , but I also do n't use the eee pc for much other than web surfing and word processing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eee 701 here...it seems to have trouble with the battery meter, and the card reader was glitchy but seems okay now.
On the plus side, the wifi hotkey worked from the start.I also did a fresh install of 9.1...9.04 did not leave enough space on the 4 Gb hd.Overall, can't complain, but I also don't use the eee pc for much other than web surfing and word processing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980326</id>
	<title>My attempt to upgrade was unsuccessful...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not a super-user of Linux but I would like to be when I grow up.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) I like to think I do my best to get things working when they don't. With this upgrade, I spent a lot of time with google, trying several approaches to solve the problems that arose on my laptop after installing a fresh copy of 9.10.</p><p>I am using a Lenovo Thinkpad T41, which had been running 9.04 quite happily. I remember the install for 9.04 was quite painless. Everything "just worked!" I was rather impressed!</p><p>When 9.10 was released, I first tried to upgrade  but the process kept failing at the last minute over wireless. So, I tried the upgrade over wired and it would fail at the same time as before.</p><p>I then tried a fresh install over my existing 9.04 (wipe and install.) The install went along nicely. No worries. Then, after the first reboot, GRUB could not find the boot partition. The data was there and the drive was accessible but something was wrong with GRUB's configuration.</p><p>I found several articles about this problem, one that laid out a step-by-step procedure for fixing it which included manually booting the OS via the command line and manipulating a GRUB configuration file. Follow these instructions, I was able to boot into the GUI OS where I was to edit the appropriate file. Suddenly, though, the computer would freeze.</p><p>I did this several times and noticed that the wireless activity light would come on just before the system froze. So, I suspect there was an additional problem linked to the wireless driver or the ethernet auto-configuration process.</p><p>In the end, I was unable to get past this problem. So, I couldn't fix the boot problem. Finally, I resorted to re-installing version 9.04.</p><p>Yeah, I was ticked after spending so much time on something that was easy with the previous version but I was less ticked than I had been when I tried to install Vista and had to abandon that OS after spending $100 for a new copy. At least my frustration was free with Ubuntu.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>A disappointing experience? Yes, but I have faith in Canonical and the Ubuntu community. I am sure it will be fixed at some point. When it is, I will download my free copy and try again. In the mean time, 9.04 is perfectly stable and does everything I need it to do. Eventually, I want to leave Windows behind altogether. Slowly but surely, I am making my way toward that goal.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a super-user of Linux but I would like to be when I grow up .
; ) I like to think I do my best to get things working when they do n't .
With this upgrade , I spent a lot of time with google , trying several approaches to solve the problems that arose on my laptop after installing a fresh copy of 9.10.I am using a Lenovo Thinkpad T41 , which had been running 9.04 quite happily .
I remember the install for 9.04 was quite painless .
Everything " just worked !
" I was rather impressed ! When 9.10 was released , I first tried to upgrade but the process kept failing at the last minute over wireless .
So , I tried the upgrade over wired and it would fail at the same time as before.I then tried a fresh install over my existing 9.04 ( wipe and install .
) The install went along nicely .
No worries .
Then , after the first reboot , GRUB could not find the boot partition .
The data was there and the drive was accessible but something was wrong with GRUB 's configuration.I found several articles about this problem , one that laid out a step-by-step procedure for fixing it which included manually booting the OS via the command line and manipulating a GRUB configuration file .
Follow these instructions , I was able to boot into the GUI OS where I was to edit the appropriate file .
Suddenly , though , the computer would freeze.I did this several times and noticed that the wireless activity light would come on just before the system froze .
So , I suspect there was an additional problem linked to the wireless driver or the ethernet auto-configuration process.In the end , I was unable to get past this problem .
So , I could n't fix the boot problem .
Finally , I resorted to re-installing version 9.04.Yeah , I was ticked after spending so much time on something that was easy with the previous version but I was less ticked than I had been when I tried to install Vista and had to abandon that OS after spending $ 100 for a new copy .
At least my frustration was free with Ubuntu .
: ) A disappointing experience ?
Yes , but I have faith in Canonical and the Ubuntu community .
I am sure it will be fixed at some point .
When it is , I will download my free copy and try again .
In the mean time , 9.04 is perfectly stable and does everything I need it to do .
Eventually , I want to leave Windows behind altogether .
Slowly but surely , I am making my way toward that goal .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a super-user of Linux but I would like to be when I grow up.
;) I like to think I do my best to get things working when they don't.
With this upgrade, I spent a lot of time with google, trying several approaches to solve the problems that arose on my laptop after installing a fresh copy of 9.10.I am using a Lenovo Thinkpad T41, which had been running 9.04 quite happily.
I remember the install for 9.04 was quite painless.
Everything "just worked!
" I was rather impressed!When 9.10 was released, I first tried to upgrade  but the process kept failing at the last minute over wireless.
So, I tried the upgrade over wired and it would fail at the same time as before.I then tried a fresh install over my existing 9.04 (wipe and install.
) The install went along nicely.
No worries.
Then, after the first reboot, GRUB could not find the boot partition.
The data was there and the drive was accessible but something was wrong with GRUB's configuration.I found several articles about this problem, one that laid out a step-by-step procedure for fixing it which included manually booting the OS via the command line and manipulating a GRUB configuration file.
Follow these instructions, I was able to boot into the GUI OS where I was to edit the appropriate file.
Suddenly, though, the computer would freeze.I did this several times and noticed that the wireless activity light would come on just before the system froze.
So, I suspect there was an additional problem linked to the wireless driver or the ethernet auto-configuration process.In the end, I was unable to get past this problem.
So, I couldn't fix the boot problem.
Finally, I resorted to re-installing version 9.04.Yeah, I was ticked after spending so much time on something that was easy with the previous version but I was less ticked than I had been when I tried to install Vista and had to abandon that OS after spending $100 for a new copy.
At least my frustration was free with Ubuntu.
:)A disappointing experience?
Yes, but I have faith in Canonical and the Ubuntu community.
I am sure it will be fixed at some point.
When it is, I will download my free copy and try again.
In the mean time, 9.04 is perfectly stable and does everything I need it to do.
Eventually, I want to leave Windows behind altogether.
Slowly but surely, I am making my way toward that goal.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972658</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257262260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a seemingly witty phrase generally used to discount the value of anecdotal evidence. It means that a single report or story is irrelevant in the face of scientifically-collected data. Usually, in fact, people who say, "the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'," would mistakenly believe the term 'anecdotal evidence' to be oxymoronic. But it's not.<br>The word anecdote comes to English from the Greek anekdota, meaning "unpublished items".1 Evidence which is anecdotal, therefore, is distinguished from scientific evidence by the fact that anecdotal evidence has not been vetted, is not variable-controlled, and does not undergo peer review.</p><p>There are two implications of, "The plural of anecdote is not data," that need addressing:</p><p>The first is that personal, remembered, and other unpublished accounts are useless in refuting published data, and entirely irrelevant to a contested assertion. That's simply wrong; data is usually collected in the first place because anecdotal evidence flagged something as worthy of investigation. Anecdotes are not data, but they play an important role in contributing to knowledge. An anecdote is a form of information. It is a form of evidence, to be given its due weight.</p><p>The second implication of the phrase is that data alone can prove something as true, while anecdotes cannot. Absurd! (But specious, I admit.) The truth is that neither data nor anecdotes prove anything. Scientific theories are never, ever, ever proven. They can only be disproven. A good scientific theory is merely one which best fits, interprets and explains available scientific data. "Scientific proof" is a misnomer, as this writeup by pimephalis explains well. Uninterpreted data, all by itself, is actually worth less than anecdotal evidence; anecdotes at least offer an explanation for a given case, while uninterpreted data, alone, is meaningless.<br>With that said, I must concede that information derived from scientific data may rightly be given more weight than anecdotal information. And refuting data-backed information with anecdote-backed information is usually pointless. A theory for which data is not available is not as convincing as one that is backed by data. The strongest theories are convincing because they are backed by a lot of data; but they can never be considered 'proven'.</p><p>The best retort to the statement, "The plural of anecdote is not data," is, "And the plural of 'datum' is not 'proof'!"</p><p>Or if you're feeling silly, you might just say, "Oh yeah? Well the plural of data is!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a seemingly witty phrase generally used to discount the value of anecdotal evidence .
It means that a single report or story is irrelevant in the face of scientifically-collected data .
Usually , in fact , people who say , " the plural of 'anecdote ' is not 'data ' , " would mistakenly believe the term 'anecdotal evidence ' to be oxymoronic .
But it 's not.The word anecdote comes to English from the Greek anekdota , meaning " unpublished items " .1 Evidence which is anecdotal , therefore , is distinguished from scientific evidence by the fact that anecdotal evidence has not been vetted , is not variable-controlled , and does not undergo peer review.There are two implications of , " The plural of anecdote is not data , " that need addressing : The first is that personal , remembered , and other unpublished accounts are useless in refuting published data , and entirely irrelevant to a contested assertion .
That 's simply wrong ; data is usually collected in the first place because anecdotal evidence flagged something as worthy of investigation .
Anecdotes are not data , but they play an important role in contributing to knowledge .
An anecdote is a form of information .
It is a form of evidence , to be given its due weight.The second implication of the phrase is that data alone can prove something as true , while anecdotes can not .
Absurd ! ( But specious , I admit .
) The truth is that neither data nor anecdotes prove anything .
Scientific theories are never , ever , ever proven .
They can only be disproven .
A good scientific theory is merely one which best fits , interprets and explains available scientific data .
" Scientific proof " is a misnomer , as this writeup by pimephalis explains well .
Uninterpreted data , all by itself , is actually worth less than anecdotal evidence ; anecdotes at least offer an explanation for a given case , while uninterpreted data , alone , is meaningless.With that said , I must concede that information derived from scientific data may rightly be given more weight than anecdotal information .
And refuting data-backed information with anecdote-backed information is usually pointless .
A theory for which data is not available is not as convincing as one that is backed by data .
The strongest theories are convincing because they are backed by a lot of data ; but they can never be considered 'proven'.The best retort to the statement , " The plural of anecdote is not data , " is , " And the plural of 'datum ' is not 'proof ' !
" Or if you 're feeling silly , you might just say , " Oh yeah ?
Well the plural of data is !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a seemingly witty phrase generally used to discount the value of anecdotal evidence.
It means that a single report or story is irrelevant in the face of scientifically-collected data.
Usually, in fact, people who say, "the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'," would mistakenly believe the term 'anecdotal evidence' to be oxymoronic.
But it's not.The word anecdote comes to English from the Greek anekdota, meaning "unpublished items".1 Evidence which is anecdotal, therefore, is distinguished from scientific evidence by the fact that anecdotal evidence has not been vetted, is not variable-controlled, and does not undergo peer review.There are two implications of, "The plural of anecdote is not data," that need addressing:The first is that personal, remembered, and other unpublished accounts are useless in refuting published data, and entirely irrelevant to a contested assertion.
That's simply wrong; data is usually collected in the first place because anecdotal evidence flagged something as worthy of investigation.
Anecdotes are not data, but they play an important role in contributing to knowledge.
An anecdote is a form of information.
It is a form of evidence, to be given its due weight.The second implication of the phrase is that data alone can prove something as true, while anecdotes cannot.
Absurd! (But specious, I admit.
) The truth is that neither data nor anecdotes prove anything.
Scientific theories are never, ever, ever proven.
They can only be disproven.
A good scientific theory is merely one which best fits, interprets and explains available scientific data.
"Scientific proof" is a misnomer, as this writeup by pimephalis explains well.
Uninterpreted data, all by itself, is actually worth less than anecdotal evidence; anecdotes at least offer an explanation for a given case, while uninterpreted data, alone, is meaningless.With that said, I must concede that information derived from scientific data may rightly be given more weight than anecdotal information.
And refuting data-backed information with anecdote-backed information is usually pointless.
A theory for which data is not available is not as convincing as one that is backed by data.
The strongest theories are convincing because they are backed by a lot of data; but they can never be considered 'proven'.The best retort to the statement, "The plural of anecdote is not data," is, "And the plural of 'datum' is not 'proof'!
"Or if you're feeling silly, you might just say, "Oh yeah?
Well the plural of data is!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970246</id>
	<title>Smooth for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did a complete re-install for 9.10.  Upgrading is always perilous, regardless of what OS you run.  Everything ran perfectly.  All hardware (dell latitude D630) was found and all drivers installed perfectly.</p><p>I'm running ext3.  I think ext4 is still a bit rough.  I was having system freezes every other day when running ext4.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a complete re-install for 9.10 .
Upgrading is always perilous , regardless of what OS you run .
Everything ran perfectly .
All hardware ( dell latitude D630 ) was found and all drivers installed perfectly.I 'm running ext3 .
I think ext4 is still a bit rough .
I was having system freezes every other day when running ext4 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a complete re-install for 9.10.
Upgrading is always perilous, regardless of what OS you run.
Everything ran perfectly.
All hardware (dell latitude D630) was found and all drivers installed perfectly.I'm running ext3.
I think ext4 is still a bit rough.
I was having system freezes every other day when running ext4.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975482</id>
	<title>Three words</title>
	<author>Lodarage</author>
	<datestamp>1256984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BACKUP before upgrading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BACKUP before upgrading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BACKUP before upgrading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977366</id>
	<title>Relatively smooth</title>
	<author>Jedimstr397</author>
	<datestamp>1257001080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems to be doing fine on my Vaio laptop. I was an early adopter of Jaunty as well, and Karmic doesn't even come close to the problems I had with the Jackalope. I know that there were a lot of problems with audio, brightness settings, battery life, and a slew of others. Karmic seems to have everything under control. The ONLY issue that's slightly annoying is the boot time. No ten second boot time here. Jaunty was faster at approx. 25 seconds from Grub to the log in prompt.

The shut down sequence kicks ass though, by the time I reach over to close the lid its already done and off at approx 6 seconds!

At least the new startup screens are pretty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to be doing fine on my Vaio laptop .
I was an early adopter of Jaunty as well , and Karmic does n't even come close to the problems I had with the Jackalope .
I know that there were a lot of problems with audio , brightness settings , battery life , and a slew of others .
Karmic seems to have everything under control .
The ONLY issue that 's slightly annoying is the boot time .
No ten second boot time here .
Jaunty was faster at approx .
25 seconds from Grub to the log in prompt .
The shut down sequence kicks ass though , by the time I reach over to close the lid its already done and off at approx 6 seconds !
At least the new startup screens are pretty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to be doing fine on my Vaio laptop.
I was an early adopter of Jaunty as well, and Karmic doesn't even come close to the problems I had with the Jackalope.
I know that there were a lot of problems with audio, brightness settings, battery life, and a slew of others.
Karmic seems to have everything under control.
The ONLY issue that's slightly annoying is the boot time.
No ten second boot time here.
Jaunty was faster at approx.
25 seconds from Grub to the log in prompt.
The shut down sequence kicks ass though, by the time I reach over to close the lid its already done and off at approx 6 seconds!
At least the new startup screens are pretty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970338</id>
	<title>Some minor problems</title>
	<author>Kerrigann</author>
	<datestamp>1257250200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two biggest problems I've had personally are <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/403339" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/403339</a> [launchpad.net] and <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/465916" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/465916</a> [launchpad.net]</p><p>Which in the grand scheme of things are pretty minor.  The first one is really annoying if you play WoW in wine, because you have to manually turn off keyboard repeat<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p><p>Other than that, I've upgraded 3 machines without problems.  My parallels VM upgraded to karmic doesn't detect any drives unless I use the older kernel, but I'm 90\% sure that that's not a bug in ubuntu.</p><p>But *man* that xorg bug is annoying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two biggest problems I 've had personally are https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/xorg-server/ + bug/403339 [ launchpad.net ] and https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/cups/ + bug/465916 [ launchpad.net ] Which in the grand scheme of things are pretty minor .
The first one is really annoying if you play WoW in wine , because you have to manually turn off keyboard repeat : /Other than that , I 've upgraded 3 machines without problems .
My parallels VM upgraded to karmic does n't detect any drives unless I use the older kernel , but I 'm 90 \ % sure that that 's not a bug in ubuntu.But * man * that xorg bug is annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two biggest problems I've had personally are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/403339 [launchpad.net] and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/465916 [launchpad.net]Which in the grand scheme of things are pretty minor.
The first one is really annoying if you play WoW in wine, because you have to manually turn off keyboard repeat :/Other than that, I've upgraded 3 machines without problems.
My parallels VM upgraded to karmic doesn't detect any drives unless I use the older kernel, but I'm 90\% sure that that's not a bug in ubuntu.But *man* that xorg bug is annoying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971356</id>
	<title>Installed Fresh Rather Than Upgrading</title>
	<author>likerice</author>
	<datestamp>1257254100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did a clean install of 9.10 on a new HTPC that I had recently built and have thus far had absolutely zero problems. No HDMI video or sound kinks (or at least none that weren't present in Jaunty, all of which were easily remedied); networking is fine; the IR remote works; Boxee runs when installed via the Jaunty repo; etc.</p><p>I will say that I've been burned in the past by awkward upgrades from one release to the next with Ubuntu and the fact that others have had issues this time around is no surprise to me.</p><p>Nonetheless, on the basis of my own personal experience and, I suspect, the experience of others, I think it'd be better to mention that all (or substantially all) of users' frustrations relate to upgrades to 9.10 rather than fresh installs thereof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a clean install of 9.10 on a new HTPC that I had recently built and have thus far had absolutely zero problems .
No HDMI video or sound kinks ( or at least none that were n't present in Jaunty , all of which were easily remedied ) ; networking is fine ; the IR remote works ; Boxee runs when installed via the Jaunty repo ; etc.I will say that I 've been burned in the past by awkward upgrades from one release to the next with Ubuntu and the fact that others have had issues this time around is no surprise to me.Nonetheless , on the basis of my own personal experience and , I suspect , the experience of others , I think it 'd be better to mention that all ( or substantially all ) of users ' frustrations relate to upgrades to 9.10 rather than fresh installs thereof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a clean install of 9.10 on a new HTPC that I had recently built and have thus far had absolutely zero problems.
No HDMI video or sound kinks (or at least none that weren't present in Jaunty, all of which were easily remedied); networking is fine; the IR remote works; Boxee runs when installed via the Jaunty repo; etc.I will say that I've been burned in the past by awkward upgrades from one release to the next with Ubuntu and the fact that others have had issues this time around is no surprise to me.Nonetheless, on the basis of my own personal experience and, I suspect, the experience of others, I think it'd be better to mention that all (or substantially all) of users' frustrations relate to upgrades to 9.10 rather than fresh installs thereof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973268</id>
	<title>No prob for my clean install -- ThinkPad T400</title>
	<author>CWmike</author>
	<datestamp>1257267600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No problems whatsoever on a ThinkPad T400. It's sweet and easier than ever to upgrade away from Windows and to use. That said, this was a clean install on a disk drive the machine came with with Vista Home on it. Wireless sure works a lot better than two versions ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No problems whatsoever on a ThinkPad T400 .
It 's sweet and easier than ever to upgrade away from Windows and to use .
That said , this was a clean install on a disk drive the machine came with with Vista Home on it .
Wireless sure works a lot better than two versions ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problems whatsoever on a ThinkPad T400.
It's sweet and easier than ever to upgrade away from Windows and to use.
That said, this was a clean install on a disk drive the machine came with with Vista Home on it.
Wireless sure works a lot better than two versions ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972946</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257264840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm running UNR 9.10 on my Dell A90.  It technically IS possible to have multiple windows on screen at the same time.  What you have to do is "unmaximize" the windows and resize them.  At this point you'll only see the last one you resized.  Next, click the icon of the other one(s) you want to see and they will show up.  Cumbersome, yes, but technically possible.</p><p>BTW, I have two issues with UNR 9.10.  One, wifi drivers did not install out of the box.  That was an easy fix and it works flawlessly now.  Two, if I leave my SD card in the slot, the OS freezes when I try to put it to sleep.  If I remove the SD card, it sleeps fine.</p><p>Those are the ONLY two issues I have right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running UNR 9.10 on my Dell A90 .
It technically IS possible to have multiple windows on screen at the same time .
What you have to do is " unmaximize " the windows and resize them .
At this point you 'll only see the last one you resized .
Next , click the icon of the other one ( s ) you want to see and they will show up .
Cumbersome , yes , but technically possible.BTW , I have two issues with UNR 9.10 .
One , wifi drivers did not install out of the box .
That was an easy fix and it works flawlessly now .
Two , if I leave my SD card in the slot , the OS freezes when I try to put it to sleep .
If I remove the SD card , it sleeps fine.Those are the ONLY two issues I have right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running UNR 9.10 on my Dell A90.
It technically IS possible to have multiple windows on screen at the same time.
What you have to do is "unmaximize" the windows and resize them.
At this point you'll only see the last one you resized.
Next, click the icon of the other one(s) you want to see and they will show up.
Cumbersome, yes, but technically possible.BTW, I have two issues with UNR 9.10.
One, wifi drivers did not install out of the box.
That was an easy fix and it works flawlessly now.
Two, if I leave my SD card in the slot, the OS freezes when I try to put it to sleep.
If I remove the SD card, it sleeps fine.Those are the ONLY two issues I have right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971502</id>
	<title>Good luck with 3 old laptops (HP, Dell, Sony Vaio)</title>
	<author>Abies Bracteata</author>
	<datestamp>1257254880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beta version of Karmic: Two upgrades (HP, Vaio), one fresh install (Dell) went almost without a hitch.</p><p>There was one very annoying issue: Obnoxious "clicking" sounds coming from the HP's speakers (Intel sound hardware).  A quick google search led to a quick fix (mind you, this would most likely have stumped someone new to Linux).  That being said, I *did* upgrade to a beta version of 9.10 -- hopefully the problem was fixed for the final release.</p><p>Overall, very happy.  After upgrading the HP machine (Intel video hardware), graphics performance improved dramatically (9.04 had performance issues with certain Intel video hardware).</p><p>Wireless worked "out of the box" on all machines.</p><p>The Sony has only 512M memory -- performance (including the Compiz goodies) is quite satisfactory on that laptop.</p><p>Anyway, that's my experience:  OMMV.</p><p>Ubuntu's *almost* ready for the average end-user.  What it needs most is the type of vendor handholding available to Windows and OSX users.</p><p>If all Windows users had to install their own OS, then you'd probably see plenty of complaints/problems there too (even a 99 percent success rate would make for large absolute numbers of unhappy users).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beta version of Karmic : Two upgrades ( HP , Vaio ) , one fresh install ( Dell ) went almost without a hitch.There was one very annoying issue : Obnoxious " clicking " sounds coming from the HP 's speakers ( Intel sound hardware ) .
A quick google search led to a quick fix ( mind you , this would most likely have stumped someone new to Linux ) .
That being said , I * did * upgrade to a beta version of 9.10 -- hopefully the problem was fixed for the final release.Overall , very happy .
After upgrading the HP machine ( Intel video hardware ) , graphics performance improved dramatically ( 9.04 had performance issues with certain Intel video hardware ) .Wireless worked " out of the box " on all machines.The Sony has only 512M memory -- performance ( including the Compiz goodies ) is quite satisfactory on that laptop.Anyway , that 's my experience : OMMV.Ubuntu 's * almost * ready for the average end-user .
What it needs most is the type of vendor handholding available to Windows and OSX users.If all Windows users had to install their own OS , then you 'd probably see plenty of complaints/problems there too ( even a 99 percent success rate would make for large absolute numbers of unhappy users ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beta version of Karmic: Two upgrades (HP, Vaio), one fresh install (Dell) went almost without a hitch.There was one very annoying issue: Obnoxious "clicking" sounds coming from the HP's speakers (Intel sound hardware).
A quick google search led to a quick fix (mind you, this would most likely have stumped someone new to Linux).
That being said, I *did* upgrade to a beta version of 9.10 -- hopefully the problem was fixed for the final release.Overall, very happy.
After upgrading the HP machine (Intel video hardware), graphics performance improved dramatically (9.04 had performance issues with certain Intel video hardware).Wireless worked "out of the box" on all machines.The Sony has only 512M memory -- performance (including the Compiz goodies) is quite satisfactory on that laptop.Anyway, that's my experience:  OMMV.Ubuntu's *almost* ready for the average end-user.
What it needs most is the type of vendor handholding available to Windows and OSX users.If all Windows users had to install their own OS, then you'd probably see plenty of complaints/problems there too (even a 99 percent success rate would make for large absolute numbers of unhappy users).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981094</id>
	<title>Mine is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Ubuntu as a main desktop OS for 2,5 yrs.<br>This upgrade is one of the best so far. Two previous upgrades required a reinstall because of the nVidia drivers. This time everithig was smooth an perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Ubuntu as a main desktop OS for 2,5 yrs.This upgrade is one of the best so far .
Two previous upgrades required a reinstall because of the nVidia drivers .
This time everithig was smooth an perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Ubuntu as a main desktop OS for 2,5 yrs.This upgrade is one of the best so far.
Two previous upgrades required a reinstall because of the nVidia drivers.
This time everithig was smooth an perfect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969604</id>
	<title>my experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My buddy Ron came over last week to install karmic koala for me.  While we were waiting, one thing led to another and the next thing I know, he's sucking my dick.  If that wasn't bad enough, he then fucked me up the ass! Guys, can you do something about the long install time so this won't happen again?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My buddy Ron came over last week to install karmic koala for me .
While we were waiting , one thing led to another and the next thing I know , he 's sucking my dick .
If that was n't bad enough , he then fucked me up the ass !
Guys , can you do something about the long install time so this wo n't happen again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My buddy Ron came over last week to install karmic koala for me.
While we were waiting, one thing led to another and the next thing I know, he's sucking my dick.
If that wasn't bad enough, he then fucked me up the ass!
Guys, can you do something about the long install time so this won't happen again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969584</id>
	<title>All right, except for GRUB2</title>
	<author>Kopachris</author>
	<datestamp>1257247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My upgrade has been quite painless, though that might be because I simply did a fresh install.  My hardware is fairly old (Athlon XP processor, 1GB RAM) and Karmic is running quite well.  Conky works, OpenGL works, Flash works, etc.  The only thing that tripped me up was the switch to GRUB2, which left me, like many others, wondering where "menu.lst" went.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My upgrade has been quite painless , though that might be because I simply did a fresh install .
My hardware is fairly old ( Athlon XP processor , 1GB RAM ) and Karmic is running quite well .
Conky works , OpenGL works , Flash works , etc .
The only thing that tripped me up was the switch to GRUB2 , which left me , like many others , wondering where " menu.lst " went .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My upgrade has been quite painless, though that might be because I simply did a fresh install.
My hardware is fairly old (Athlon XP processor, 1GB RAM) and Karmic is running quite well.
Conky works, OpenGL works, Flash works, etc.
The only thing that tripped me up was the switch to GRUB2, which left me, like many others, wondering where "menu.lst" went.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971910</id>
	<title>Flawless.</title>
	<author>DarkVader</author>
	<datestamp>1257257040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm only running it on one machine, but the upgrade was absolutely flawless.  Not a single issue.</p><p>I don't think I've ever had such a smooth upgrade, with nothing broken before.</p><p>If you've paid attention, I'm a huge Macintosh fan, but this was a far easier upgrade than 10.5 to 10.6 - and that was an easy upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm only running it on one machine , but the upgrade was absolutely flawless .
Not a single issue.I do n't think I 've ever had such a smooth upgrade , with nothing broken before.If you 've paid attention , I 'm a huge Macintosh fan , but this was a far easier upgrade than 10.5 to 10.6 - and that was an easy upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm only running it on one machine, but the upgrade was absolutely flawless.
Not a single issue.I don't think I've ever had such a smooth upgrade, with nothing broken before.If you've paid attention, I'm a huge Macintosh fan, but this was a far easier upgrade than 10.5 to 10.6 - and that was an easy upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972538</id>
	<title>No floppy drive</title>
	<author>hammarlund</author>
	<datestamp>1257261480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently this is a known bug, yet the it was still in the Karmic release. So, I've got openSuse ready for an install tomorrow. PulseAudio seemed to be working ok for me though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently this is a known bug , yet the it was still in the Karmic release .
So , I 've got openSuse ready for an install tomorrow .
PulseAudio seemed to be working ok for me though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently this is a known bug, yet the it was still in the Karmic release.
So, I've got openSuse ready for an install tomorrow.
PulseAudio seemed to be working ok for me though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972862</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>gwdoiron</author>
	<datestamp>1257264060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You probably have one of the new Socket1156 systems, then.  Windows 7 thinks it has a correct driver for the MCH, but like in any version of windows, if the hardware was released after the OS was RTM'd, then you should be hitting the manufacturer's web site for the latest drivers.  Unfortunately, Win7 doesn't complain about missing a driver (as it usually does); it automatically installs the built-in ICH driver, which "almost" works.  That's unfortunate, but not unexpected (at least, not to anyone who has set up bleeding-edge hardware before) when working with bleeding-edge hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You probably have one of the new Socket1156 systems , then .
Windows 7 thinks it has a correct driver for the MCH , but like in any version of windows , if the hardware was released after the OS was RTM 'd , then you should be hitting the manufacturer 's web site for the latest drivers .
Unfortunately , Win7 does n't complain about missing a driver ( as it usually does ) ; it automatically installs the built-in ICH driver , which " almost " works .
That 's unfortunate , but not unexpected ( at least , not to anyone who has set up bleeding-edge hardware before ) when working with bleeding-edge hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You probably have one of the new Socket1156 systems, then.
Windows 7 thinks it has a correct driver for the MCH, but like in any version of windows, if the hardware was released after the OS was RTM'd, then you should be hitting the manufacturer's web site for the latest drivers.
Unfortunately, Win7 doesn't complain about missing a driver (as it usually does); it automatically installs the built-in ICH driver, which "almost" works.
That's unfortunate, but not unexpected (at least, not to anyone who has set up bleeding-edge hardware before) when working with bleeding-edge hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970592</id>
	<title>Stung???</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257251160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when do koalas sting people? Anyways I'm fine with staying a release behind on my server/mediacenter. Maybe when I get more used to 'nix I'll go bleeding edge once I can reliably help out ubuntu and fix any issues myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when do koalas sting people ?
Anyways I 'm fine with staying a release behind on my server/mediacenter .
Maybe when I get more used to 'nix I 'll go bleeding edge once I can reliably help out ubuntu and fix any issues myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when do koalas sting people?
Anyways I'm fine with staying a release behind on my server/mediacenter.
Maybe when I get more used to 'nix I'll go bleeding edge once I can reliably help out ubuntu and fix any issues myself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972732</id>
	<title>You never, ever, upgrade...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257262860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess because I'm a Mac user? Or I'm just used to the finicky nature of Linux PPC... but I never upgrade distros. I update it, but when a new distro upgrade comes out... I make a liveUSB, backup my home folder, and wipe/install.</p><p>I like Karmic. I've installed the latest build of Google Chrome, which is many many ways compliments the new Empathy messenger client. However it's far from full features, both Chrome and Empathy, so I have Firefox and Pidgin on retainer.</p><p>I went for the netbook remix this time around. Wonderfully configures, very elegant and fast. Everything worked on reboot: camera, audio, sleep, video, wifi</p><p>My only hiccup was that Flash refused to install until I ran the Update Manager and let it update some 2MB of stuff on the computer, after that, Flash installed and everything was ready to go.</p><p>I hardly count an Adobe installer not working correctly a critical failure for an Operating System, but someone will say that it's unacceptable and this isn't the year of the Linux Desktop.</p><p>Asus eeePC 1000 (no H, 40GB SSD Linux keyboard - no MS Here, ever)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess because I 'm a Mac user ?
Or I 'm just used to the finicky nature of Linux PPC... but I never upgrade distros .
I update it , but when a new distro upgrade comes out... I make a liveUSB , backup my home folder , and wipe/install.I like Karmic .
I 've installed the latest build of Google Chrome , which is many many ways compliments the new Empathy messenger client .
However it 's far from full features , both Chrome and Empathy , so I have Firefox and Pidgin on retainer.I went for the netbook remix this time around .
Wonderfully configures , very elegant and fast .
Everything worked on reboot : camera , audio , sleep , video , wifiMy only hiccup was that Flash refused to install until I ran the Update Manager and let it update some 2MB of stuff on the computer , after that , Flash installed and everything was ready to go.I hardly count an Adobe installer not working correctly a critical failure for an Operating System , but someone will say that it 's unacceptable and this is n't the year of the Linux Desktop.Asus eeePC 1000 ( no H , 40GB SSD Linux keyboard - no MS Here , ever )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess because I'm a Mac user?
Or I'm just used to the finicky nature of Linux PPC... but I never upgrade distros.
I update it, but when a new distro upgrade comes out... I make a liveUSB, backup my home folder, and wipe/install.I like Karmic.
I've installed the latest build of Google Chrome, which is many many ways compliments the new Empathy messenger client.
However it's far from full features, both Chrome and Empathy, so I have Firefox and Pidgin on retainer.I went for the netbook remix this time around.
Wonderfully configures, very elegant and fast.
Everything worked on reboot: camera, audio, sleep, video, wifiMy only hiccup was that Flash refused to install until I ran the Update Manager and let it update some 2MB of stuff on the computer, after that, Flash installed and everything was ready to go.I hardly count an Adobe installer not working correctly a critical failure for an Operating System, but someone will say that it's unacceptable and this isn't the year of the Linux Desktop.Asus eeePC 1000 (no H, 40GB SSD Linux keyboard - no MS Here, ever)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973418</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257268980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the biggest plus for me. When I bork windows, it requires a reinstall most of the time. When I bork linux, I can generally fix it. Sometimes, it's easier to reinstall, but often, as long as it boots, I can fix about anything with a few commands. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Windows requires less knowledge to run, for sure. But that also means a lot of fixes require a wipe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the biggest plus for me .
When I bork windows , it requires a reinstall most of the time .
When I bork linux , I can generally fix it .
Sometimes , it 's easier to reinstall , but often , as long as it boots , I can fix about anything with a few commands .
  Windows requires less knowledge to run , for sure .
But that also means a lot of fixes require a wipe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the biggest plus for me.
When I bork windows, it requires a reinstall most of the time.
When I bork linux, I can generally fix it.
Sometimes, it's easier to reinstall, but often, as long as it boots, I can fix about anything with a few commands.
  Windows requires less knowledge to run, for sure.
But that also means a lot of fixes require a wipe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969932</id>
	<title>Some warts...</title>
	<author>c</author>
	<datestamp>1257249000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suspend and resume on my netbook is a bit of hit and miss (suspend crashes if an SD card is mounted, closing the lid doesn't always trigger suspend). I'll probably update my laptop tomorrow since I rarely use suspend on it.</p><p>On the plus side, the upgrade process was painless and things run a lot smoother. The netbook launcher is a good order of magnitude faster than the previous version. The user switcher applet is in the panel now.</p><p>c.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suspend and resume on my netbook is a bit of hit and miss ( suspend crashes if an SD card is mounted , closing the lid does n't always trigger suspend ) .
I 'll probably update my laptop tomorrow since I rarely use suspend on it.On the plus side , the upgrade process was painless and things run a lot smoother .
The netbook launcher is a good order of magnitude faster than the previous version .
The user switcher applet is in the panel now.c .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suspend and resume on my netbook is a bit of hit and miss (suspend crashes if an SD card is mounted, closing the lid doesn't always trigger suspend).
I'll probably update my laptop tomorrow since I rarely use suspend on it.On the plus side, the upgrade process was painless and things run a lot smoother.
The netbook launcher is a good order of magnitude faster than the previous version.
The user switcher applet is in the panel now.c.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970886</id>
	<title>no issues here.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dell mini-9 no problems, and had to suspend the upgrade half way through, and successfully completed later.</p><p>Dell 700m- no problems.</p><p>Did the upgrades from 9.04 using the update manager over wireless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dell mini-9 no problems , and had to suspend the upgrade half way through , and successfully completed later.Dell 700m- no problems.Did the upgrades from 9.04 using the update manager over wireless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dell mini-9 no problems, and had to suspend the upgrade half way through, and successfully completed later.Dell 700m- no problems.Did the upgrades from 9.04 using the update manager over wireless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975032</id>
	<title>karmic koala</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256980080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8.04/8.10 worked just fine on a single 320 gig drive with a gig of ram with a creative labs 24bit Audigy2.<br>No Sound in 9.04<br>No Sound in 9.10</p><p>Ubuntu no longer runs on every clone out there.<br>In 9.04 there was a list of black-listed hardware instead of a product that worked.<br>9.10 is no better IMHO.</p><p>So don't get caught jonesin' over a newer unix/linux release ver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8.04/8.10 worked just fine on a single 320 gig drive with a gig of ram with a creative labs 24bit Audigy2.No Sound in 9.04No Sound in 9.10Ubuntu no longer runs on every clone out there.In 9.04 there was a list of black-listed hardware instead of a product that worked.9.10 is no better IMHO.So do n't get caught jonesin ' over a newer unix/linux release ver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8.04/8.10 worked just fine on a single 320 gig drive with a gig of ram with a creative labs 24bit Audigy2.No Sound in 9.04No Sound in 9.10Ubuntu no longer runs on every clone out there.In 9.04 there was a list of black-listed hardware instead of a product that worked.9.10 is no better IMHO.So don't get caught jonesin' over a newer unix/linux release ver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970756</id>
	<title>How to upgrade Ubuntu properly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to test first. All upgrades have the potential to cause problems. Of course we all have home partitions (dont we?) but you should have an extra OS partition, too. I've been running 8.10 which has been working wonderfully, until I needed to make a presentation last week and the resolution was unfixable. So I installed 9.10 into my 2nd 12gb partition, letting me test it all for a few days before really committing.</p><p>Don't mount your new home when you start! Let the next version make its own home. This way it won't ruin your old settings if you need to go back. Mount your home into s subdir of the new version's home. Only after its confirmed working well, rename the old home, copy the new onto the home device, log in as second user, delete old home, set<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/fstab to mount home permanently.</p><p>Sorry if you got burned.<br>1. Don't use new software without testing. Its better to wait until others solve the bugs. Maybe consider always being 1 release behind.<br>2. Document all your changes and customizations, its enough to use 'screen' to log it and edit that doc, for example. Then you can easily install fresh and rebuild from a blank slate, it will pay off.<br>3. And above all, back up your whole system regularly so you can always go back to where you were in the event of an emergency.</p><p>And STOP talking about boot time, who cares! You shouldn't need to boot more than once a month. Focus on fast OS response when USING the system, for heaven's sake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to test first .
All upgrades have the potential to cause problems .
Of course we all have home partitions ( dont we ?
) but you should have an extra OS partition , too .
I 've been running 8.10 which has been working wonderfully , until I needed to make a presentation last week and the resolution was unfixable .
So I installed 9.10 into my 2nd 12gb partition , letting me test it all for a few days before really committing.Do n't mount your new home when you start !
Let the next version make its own home .
This way it wo n't ruin your old settings if you need to go back .
Mount your home into s subdir of the new version 's home .
Only after its confirmed working well , rename the old home , copy the new onto the home device , log in as second user , delete old home , set /etc/fstab to mount home permanently.Sorry if you got burned.1 .
Do n't use new software without testing .
Its better to wait until others solve the bugs .
Maybe consider always being 1 release behind.2 .
Document all your changes and customizations , its enough to use 'screen ' to log it and edit that doc , for example .
Then you can easily install fresh and rebuild from a blank slate , it will pay off.3 .
And above all , back up your whole system regularly so you can always go back to where you were in the event of an emergency.And STOP talking about boot time , who cares !
You should n't need to boot more than once a month .
Focus on fast OS response when USING the system , for heaven 's sake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to test first.
All upgrades have the potential to cause problems.
Of course we all have home partitions (dont we?
) but you should have an extra OS partition, too.
I've been running 8.10 which has been working wonderfully, until I needed to make a presentation last week and the resolution was unfixable.
So I installed 9.10 into my 2nd 12gb partition, letting me test it all for a few days before really committing.Don't mount your new home when you start!
Let the next version make its own home.
This way it won't ruin your old settings if you need to go back.
Mount your home into s subdir of the new version's home.
Only after its confirmed working well, rename the old home, copy the new onto the home device, log in as second user, delete old home, set /etc/fstab to mount home permanently.Sorry if you got burned.1.
Don't use new software without testing.
Its better to wait until others solve the bugs.
Maybe consider always being 1 release behind.2.
Document all your changes and customizations, its enough to use 'screen' to log it and edit that doc, for example.
Then you can easily install fresh and rebuild from a blank slate, it will pay off.3.
And above all, back up your whole system regularly so you can always go back to where you were in the event of an emergency.And STOP talking about boot time, who cares!
You shouldn't need to boot more than once a month.
Focus on fast OS response when USING the system, for heaven's sake.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971656</id>
	<title>Rants replacing Bug reports?</title>
	<author>Jerry</author>
	<datestamp>1257255660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Linux for 11 years.   Before Linux captured 10+\% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common.    We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it.   IOW, the users were the testers.  We understood that and agreed to it.   We were patient and our patience was rewarded.</p><p>Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers.  These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.  Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.  What they will take time to do is write rants in blogs and news groups.  Rants that are devoid of facts or knowledge but long on flames and vituperations.   Thankfully, most developers know about these kinds of "Penguins" and ignore them.  What else can they do?  The rants rarely contain useful information and the developer doesn't have the time to search the countless blogs and forums for rants about his software.   If he did he wouldn't get any developing done and he'd get discouraged and quit, which would make Microsoft happy,</p><p>To make matters worse, many ranters are serial ranters.  They aren't satisfied with ranting in a single forum or blog.  They visit as many as the can and post essentially the same rant in all of them.  This makes the ranter appear to be part of a larger movement when, in fact, he is not.   There were several ranters in the KDE4 dustup that were identified as serial ranters, and for a year and a half you could track them through the Linux sites as they dropped one rant after another.  If someone called them on the topic of a rant they'd switch topics in their next rant.  It didn't matter.  The purpose was to destroy KDE4, if possible, and force developers back to KDE 3.5.x.   The ranters were totally ignorant of the technical issues and reasons why KDE was redesigned from the bottom up.</p><p>The examples of stupid rants are almost endless.   One ranter registered on a forum just to make his first post a rant against KDE 4.2.1 because "IT didn't have a way to change the menu structure to KDE 3.5.10's."    Read the documentation?   NO!  It takes too much time and he's much too important to do such trival stuff.   Ask a question on the forum instead of ranting for his first post?   NO!  He's not about to humiliate himself by asking a newbie question.</p><p>So, he rants.   The first reply states "right click on the K-Gear menu icon and select "Convert to classic menu".</p><p>Now, everybody knows that not only is he a mindless ranter, he is also an idiot.</p><p>The problem is that his subject line appears in some Google search of "Problems with Ubuntu" and adds at least one count, or more if the rant is picked up by multiple blogs,  to the number of users supposedly having trouble with Kubuntu (or Ubuntu).   Someone takes the results of that search and extrapolates it into a story about how "Some Early Adopters Stung By Kbuntu's Karmic Koala".</p><p>Meanwhile, my Kubuntu Karmic 9.10 instalation on my Sony VAIO VGN-FW140E/H notebook with an Intel GM45 video chip continues to hum like the perfect combination that it is.   Did I say that I checked the compatibility of my notebook with Linux before I installed Linux on it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Linux for 11 years .
Before Linux captured 10 + \ % of the desktop market share ( according to Ballmer himself !
) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting was n't that common .
We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it .
IOW , the users were the testers .
We understood that and agreed to it .
We were patient and our patience was rewarded.Now , we have a generation of users who do n't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers .
These users do n't care that they get the OS , the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free .
Even worse , they do n't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application 's bugzilla site .
What they will take time to do is write rants in blogs and news groups .
Rants that are devoid of facts or knowledge but long on flames and vituperations .
Thankfully , most developers know about these kinds of " Penguins " and ignore them .
What else can they do ?
The rants rarely contain useful information and the developer does n't have the time to search the countless blogs and forums for rants about his software .
If he did he would n't get any developing done and he 'd get discouraged and quit , which would make Microsoft happy,To make matters worse , many ranters are serial ranters .
They are n't satisfied with ranting in a single forum or blog .
They visit as many as the can and post essentially the same rant in all of them .
This makes the ranter appear to be part of a larger movement when , in fact , he is not .
There were several ranters in the KDE4 dustup that were identified as serial ranters , and for a year and a half you could track them through the Linux sites as they dropped one rant after another .
If someone called them on the topic of a rant they 'd switch topics in their next rant .
It did n't matter .
The purpose was to destroy KDE4 , if possible , and force developers back to KDE 3.5.x .
The ranters were totally ignorant of the technical issues and reasons why KDE was redesigned from the bottom up.The examples of stupid rants are almost endless .
One ranter registered on a forum just to make his first post a rant against KDE 4.2.1 because " IT did n't have a way to change the menu structure to KDE 3.5.10 's .
" Read the documentation ?
NO ! It takes too much time and he 's much too important to do such trival stuff .
Ask a question on the forum instead of ranting for his first post ?
NO ! He 's not about to humiliate himself by asking a newbie question.So , he rants .
The first reply states " right click on the K-Gear menu icon and select " Convert to classic menu " .Now , everybody knows that not only is he a mindless ranter , he is also an idiot.The problem is that his subject line appears in some Google search of " Problems with Ubuntu " and adds at least one count , or more if the rant is picked up by multiple blogs , to the number of users supposedly having trouble with Kubuntu ( or Ubuntu ) .
Someone takes the results of that search and extrapolates it into a story about how " Some Early Adopters Stung By Kbuntu 's Karmic Koala " .Meanwhile , my Kubuntu Karmic 9.10 instalation on my Sony VAIO VGN-FW140E/H notebook with an Intel GM45 video chip continues to hum like the perfect combination that it is .
Did I say that I checked the compatibility of my notebook with Linux before I installed Linux on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Linux for 11 years.
Before Linux captured 10+\% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!
) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common.
We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it.
IOW, the users were the testers.
We understood that and agreed to it.
We were patient and our patience was rewarded.Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers.
These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.
Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.
What they will take time to do is write rants in blogs and news groups.
Rants that are devoid of facts or knowledge but long on flames and vituperations.
Thankfully, most developers know about these kinds of "Penguins" and ignore them.
What else can they do?
The rants rarely contain useful information and the developer doesn't have the time to search the countless blogs and forums for rants about his software.
If he did he wouldn't get any developing done and he'd get discouraged and quit, which would make Microsoft happy,To make matters worse, many ranters are serial ranters.
They aren't satisfied with ranting in a single forum or blog.
They visit as many as the can and post essentially the same rant in all of them.
This makes the ranter appear to be part of a larger movement when, in fact, he is not.
There were several ranters in the KDE4 dustup that were identified as serial ranters, and for a year and a half you could track them through the Linux sites as they dropped one rant after another.
If someone called them on the topic of a rant they'd switch topics in their next rant.
It didn't matter.
The purpose was to destroy KDE4, if possible, and force developers back to KDE 3.5.x.
The ranters were totally ignorant of the technical issues and reasons why KDE was redesigned from the bottom up.The examples of stupid rants are almost endless.
One ranter registered on a forum just to make his first post a rant against KDE 4.2.1 because "IT didn't have a way to change the menu structure to KDE 3.5.10's.
"    Read the documentation?
NO!  It takes too much time and he's much too important to do such trival stuff.
Ask a question on the forum instead of ranting for his first post?
NO!  He's not about to humiliate himself by asking a newbie question.So, he rants.
The first reply states "right click on the K-Gear menu icon and select "Convert to classic menu".Now, everybody knows that not only is he a mindless ranter, he is also an idiot.The problem is that his subject line appears in some Google search of "Problems with Ubuntu" and adds at least one count, or more if the rant is picked up by multiple blogs,  to the number of users supposedly having trouble with Kubuntu (or Ubuntu).
Someone takes the results of that search and extrapolates it into a story about how "Some Early Adopters Stung By Kbuntu's Karmic Koala".Meanwhile, my Kubuntu Karmic 9.10 instalation on my Sony VAIO VGN-FW140E/H notebook with an Intel GM45 video chip continues to hum like the perfect combination that it is.
Did I say that I checked the compatibility of my notebook with Linux before I installed Linux on it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970500</id>
	<title>Early adopters ...</title>
	<author>LittleImp</author>
	<datestamp>1257250800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought every Linux user knew that bleeding edge != stability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought every Linux user knew that bleeding edge ! = stability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought every Linux user knew that bleeding edge != stability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970084</id>
	<title>No problems here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed the RC on three different machines for various reasons - all fresh installs.</p><p>An ancient Pentium II - my more recent desktop died, so I dug this up out of storage and threw Karmic on it so I'd have something to use. Other than the obvious fact that it's not fast by any stretch of the imagination, no problems.</p><p>A netbook that's now the better part of a year old - through various upgrades, apps from third party repositories and my screwing around the existing install was getting a bit flaky, so I decided to do a fresh install. No problems.</p><p>Brand spankin' new quad core i5 - purchased shortly before release, didn't see much point in waiting a couple of days to install. Works beautifully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed the RC on three different machines for various reasons - all fresh installs.An ancient Pentium II - my more recent desktop died , so I dug this up out of storage and threw Karmic on it so I 'd have something to use .
Other than the obvious fact that it 's not fast by any stretch of the imagination , no problems.A netbook that 's now the better part of a year old - through various upgrades , apps from third party repositories and my screwing around the existing install was getting a bit flaky , so I decided to do a fresh install .
No problems.Brand spankin ' new quad core i5 - purchased shortly before release , did n't see much point in waiting a couple of days to install .
Works beautifully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed the RC on three different machines for various reasons - all fresh installs.An ancient Pentium II - my more recent desktop died, so I dug this up out of storage and threw Karmic on it so I'd have something to use.
Other than the obvious fact that it's not fast by any stretch of the imagination, no problems.A netbook that's now the better part of a year old - through various upgrades, apps from third party repositories and my screwing around the existing install was getting a bit flaky, so I decided to do a fresh install.
No problems.Brand spankin' new quad core i5 - purchased shortly before release, didn't see much point in waiting a couple of days to install.
Works beautifully.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972594</id>
	<title>Issues?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257261840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I honestly haven't had an issue with any of my machines.<br>I did a clean install to the beta, then upgraded to the release ver. from there, I have yet to discover any issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly have n't had an issue with any of my machines.I did a clean install to the beta , then upgraded to the release ver .
from there , I have yet to discover any issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I honestly haven't had an issue with any of my machines.I did a clean install to the beta, then upgraded to the release ver.
from there, I have yet to discover any issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976228</id>
	<title>easiest upgrade ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded and had no issues except for with a labtec and microdia webcam. It was the easiest upgrade ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded and had no issues except for with a labtec and microdia webcam .
It was the easiest upgrade ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded and had no issues except for with a labtec and microdia webcam.
It was the easiest upgrade ever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976694</id>
	<title>Works for me</title>
	<author>WhiteHorse-The Origi</author>
	<datestamp>1256996820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got 2 laptops running it just fine. Got winXP and Win7 running in a virtual box. I've yet to find a problem... I run my Openoffice Impress slideshows on our projector and advance the slides with my mobile phone. I dunno, it "just works". Blows people at work away when I'm 500x as productive as they are. Sometimes I show them some 3D games like Nexuiz or OpenArena and they can't seem to believe I can run all that on a crappy Intel GMA 965 with shared memory and only 1GHz dual processors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got 2 laptops running it just fine .
Got winXP and Win7 running in a virtual box .
I 've yet to find a problem... I run my Openoffice Impress slideshows on our projector and advance the slides with my mobile phone .
I dunno , it " just works " .
Blows people at work away when I 'm 500x as productive as they are .
Sometimes I show them some 3D games like Nexuiz or OpenArena and they ca n't seem to believe I can run all that on a crappy Intel GMA 965 with shared memory and only 1GHz dual processors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got 2 laptops running it just fine.
Got winXP and Win7 running in a virtual box.
I've yet to find a problem... I run my Openoffice Impress slideshows on our projector and advance the slides with my mobile phone.
I dunno, it "just works".
Blows people at work away when I'm 500x as productive as they are.
Sometimes I show them some 3D games like Nexuiz or OpenArena and they can't seem to believe I can run all that on a crappy Intel GMA 965 with shared memory and only 1GHz dual processors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974756</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I should note that you have a five-digit Slashdot number.  Of *course* you don't have any problems with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I should note that you have a five-digit Slashdot number .
Of * course * you do n't have any problems with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should note that you have a five-digit Slashdot number.
Of *course* you don't have any problems with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974292</id>
	<title>Re:Numerous problems, all downgrades from Jaunty</title>
	<author>Cato</author>
	<datestamp>1257275040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can items 4 to 7 be considered as 'problems'?  They are mostly 'this has not improved' statements.  Kernel mode setting (KMS) is a very new feature in the kernel, and a slight delay due to this is hardly a big issue considering Ubuntu now boots much faster than a few years ago.</p><p>Memory usage reporting in Linux is notoriously inaccurate, but perhaps something has changed there due to the various kernel changes.  Fedora etc on the same kernel are likely to have the same behaviour.</p><p>I booted 9.10 from a USB key on a Core 2 Duo laptop in just 35 seconds, which is really amazing, and it had no problem detecting my hardware including built-in Intel WiFi.</p><p>I find Ubuntu really impressive - I run it on several PCs at home without any problems, and it takes almost no time to keep it up to date.  Upgrading to a new release is more time consuming, but that's still less time than consumed by Windows.</p><p>Once something is working in Ubuntu, and assuming you don't upgrade (stick to LTS if you want stability), it simply keeps on working.  By contrast, Hibernate in Windows has broken yet again - I applied a specific XP hotfix to get it to work initially, but something has now stopped this working in a different way.  While XP doesn't crash very often, it frequently gets to a point where I have to reboot my laptop (same one mentioned above), which takes about 5 to 10 minutes just for the disk to stop thrashing and the system to become usable.</p><p>Running Ubuntu and XP on the same hardware made me realise how fast Linux is - Firefox launched in less than 2 seconds from the Live USB stick, compared to 30 to 60 seconds on XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can items 4 to 7 be considered as 'problems ' ?
They are mostly 'this has not improved ' statements .
Kernel mode setting ( KMS ) is a very new feature in the kernel , and a slight delay due to this is hardly a big issue considering Ubuntu now boots much faster than a few years ago.Memory usage reporting in Linux is notoriously inaccurate , but perhaps something has changed there due to the various kernel changes .
Fedora etc on the same kernel are likely to have the same behaviour.I booted 9.10 from a USB key on a Core 2 Duo laptop in just 35 seconds , which is really amazing , and it had no problem detecting my hardware including built-in Intel WiFi.I find Ubuntu really impressive - I run it on several PCs at home without any problems , and it takes almost no time to keep it up to date .
Upgrading to a new release is more time consuming , but that 's still less time than consumed by Windows.Once something is working in Ubuntu , and assuming you do n't upgrade ( stick to LTS if you want stability ) , it simply keeps on working .
By contrast , Hibernate in Windows has broken yet again - I applied a specific XP hotfix to get it to work initially , but something has now stopped this working in a different way .
While XP does n't crash very often , it frequently gets to a point where I have to reboot my laptop ( same one mentioned above ) , which takes about 5 to 10 minutes just for the disk to stop thrashing and the system to become usable.Running Ubuntu and XP on the same hardware made me realise how fast Linux is - Firefox launched in less than 2 seconds from the Live USB stick , compared to 30 to 60 seconds on XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can items 4 to 7 be considered as 'problems'?
They are mostly 'this has not improved' statements.
Kernel mode setting (KMS) is a very new feature in the kernel, and a slight delay due to this is hardly a big issue considering Ubuntu now boots much faster than a few years ago.Memory usage reporting in Linux is notoriously inaccurate, but perhaps something has changed there due to the various kernel changes.
Fedora etc on the same kernel are likely to have the same behaviour.I booted 9.10 from a USB key on a Core 2 Duo laptop in just 35 seconds, which is really amazing, and it had no problem detecting my hardware including built-in Intel WiFi.I find Ubuntu really impressive - I run it on several PCs at home without any problems, and it takes almost no time to keep it up to date.
Upgrading to a new release is more time consuming, but that's still less time than consumed by Windows.Once something is working in Ubuntu, and assuming you don't upgrade (stick to LTS if you want stability), it simply keeps on working.
By contrast, Hibernate in Windows has broken yet again - I applied a specific XP hotfix to get it to work initially, but something has now stopped this working in a different way.
While XP doesn't crash very often, it frequently gets to a point where I have to reboot my laptop (same one mentioned above), which takes about 5 to 10 minutes just for the disk to stop thrashing and the system to become usable.Running Ubuntu and XP on the same hardware made me realise how fast Linux is - Firefox launched in less than 2 seconds from the Live USB stick, compared to 30 to 60 seconds on XP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972632</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>lsolano</author>
	<datestamp>1257262080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait, did you say everything went smoothly <i>except you didn't have <b>sound</b> or <b>video</b> </i>?</p></div><p>he he, you've just express the opinion of everybody after reading that post.</p><p>I do use linux (Mandriva) but I've never being able to understand the religious thing about it.</p><p>How on planet earth someone can think that everything is fine with an OS when you got neither sound nor video?</p><p>That is not what 'smooth' means at all. The correct thing to say is that Ubuntu just turn your computer into a useless piece of hardware, beacase you can not anything on it now.</p><p>Oh well, not exactly nothing at all, you can play with ls, cd, top, grep, more, less, df, du, ping...ping... forget ping, I don't think your network card is yet working.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , did you say everything went smoothly except you did n't have sound or video ? he he , you 've just express the opinion of everybody after reading that post.I do use linux ( Mandriva ) but I 've never being able to understand the religious thing about it.How on planet earth someone can think that everything is fine with an OS when you got neither sound nor video ? That is not what 'smooth ' means at all .
The correct thing to say is that Ubuntu just turn your computer into a useless piece of hardware , beacase you can not anything on it now.Oh well , not exactly nothing at all , you can play with ls , cd , top , grep , more , less , df , du , ping...ping... forget ping , I do n't think your network card is yet working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, did you say everything went smoothly except you didn't have sound or video ?he he, you've just express the opinion of everybody after reading that post.I do use linux (Mandriva) but I've never being able to understand the religious thing about it.How on planet earth someone can think that everything is fine with an OS when you got neither sound nor video?That is not what 'smooth' means at all.
The correct thing to say is that Ubuntu just turn your computer into a useless piece of hardware, beacase you can not anything on it now.Oh well, not exactly nothing at all, you can play with ls, cd, top, grep, more, less, df, du, ping...ping... forget ping, I don't think your network card is yet working.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972958</id>
	<title>Re:openSUSE 11.2</title>
	<author>thatkid\_2002</author>
	<datestamp>1257264960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fedora 12: 14 Days to go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora 12 : 14 Days to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora 12: 14 Days to go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978808</id>
	<title>I just switched from Fedora 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257006720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man what a difference.  I am not sure what these users are experiencing.  I backed up my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home directory, and made the switch to Karmic.  Everything that was broken in Fedora seems to magically work.  My laptop no longer freezes when I undock it.  I can have Compiz running and put the machine to sleep without it freezing.  Everything's faster.  Software installation is far superior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man what a difference .
I am not sure what these users are experiencing .
I backed up my /home directory , and made the switch to Karmic .
Everything that was broken in Fedora seems to magically work .
My laptop no longer freezes when I undock it .
I can have Compiz running and put the machine to sleep without it freezing .
Everything 's faster .
Software installation is far superior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man what a difference.
I am not sure what these users are experiencing.
I backed up my /home directory, and made the switch to Karmic.
Everything that was broken in Fedora seems to magically work.
My laptop no longer freezes when I undock it.
I can have Compiz running and put the machine to sleep without it freezing.
Everything's faster.
Software installation is far superior.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970442</id>
	<title>Working fine on my D610</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running Karmic since the Alpha 5 release and its all been quite smooth sailing for me.  Also noticed a marked improvement in speed when updating with the new ext3 filesystem.  I have not opted to encrypt my home partition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running Karmic since the Alpha 5 release and its all been quite smooth sailing for me .
Also noticed a marked improvement in speed when updating with the new ext3 filesystem .
I have not opted to encrypt my home partition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running Karmic since the Alpha 5 release and its all been quite smooth sailing for me.
Also noticed a marked improvement in speed when updating with the new ext3 filesystem.
I have not opted to encrypt my home partition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973632</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've always been able to fix stuff in Linux, while I've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times.</p></div><p>And you'll blame that on Windows itself, rather than your lack of knowledge.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always been able to fix stuff in Linux , while I 've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times.And you 'll blame that on Windows itself , rather than your lack of knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always been able to fix stuff in Linux, while I've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times.And you'll blame that on Windows itself, rather than your lack of knowledge.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972132</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257258600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ditto to problem 1 here. I have an old SB live card, onboard sound, and a USB headset. Nothing worked after the update. I was running Alsa before, and this update installed Pulse Audio. I purged that with fire, but still have some audio issues. System audio works, Flash audio doesn't, Kmix crashes and locks up all the time, and alsamixer fails with some error. If I wasn't putting in 16 hr days in grad school right now, I would probably have it straightened out. As it is, I'm living with partial sound until the weekend. <br>
&nbsp; <br>I think I need to purge all my sound and selectively reinstall. However, it's cute that purging alsa still removes kubuntu-desktop as well. That's a sweet bug that's been around for at least 2 years now. If I recall correctly, I did this same thing six months ago....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto to problem 1 here .
I have an old SB live card , onboard sound , and a USB headset .
Nothing worked after the update .
I was running Alsa before , and this update installed Pulse Audio .
I purged that with fire , but still have some audio issues .
System audio works , Flash audio does n't , Kmix crashes and locks up all the time , and alsamixer fails with some error .
If I was n't putting in 16 hr days in grad school right now , I would probably have it straightened out .
As it is , I 'm living with partial sound until the weekend .
  I think I need to purge all my sound and selectively reinstall .
However , it 's cute that purging alsa still removes kubuntu-desktop as well .
That 's a sweet bug that 's been around for at least 2 years now .
If I recall correctly , I did this same thing six months ago... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto to problem 1 here.
I have an old SB live card, onboard sound, and a USB headset.
Nothing worked after the update.
I was running Alsa before, and this update installed Pulse Audio.
I purged that with fire, but still have some audio issues.
System audio works, Flash audio doesn't, Kmix crashes and locks up all the time, and alsamixer fails with some error.
If I wasn't putting in 16 hr days in grad school right now, I would probably have it straightened out.
As it is, I'm living with partial sound until the weekend.
  I think I need to purge all my sound and selectively reinstall.
However, it's cute that purging alsa still removes kubuntu-desktop as well.
That's a sweet bug that's been around for at least 2 years now.
If I recall correctly, I did this same thing six months ago....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971410</id>
	<title>Re:All right, except for GRUB2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>grub2 works great here. i don't understand why they trashed the vi-like editor for a emacs-like one. that was a BAAD decision</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>grub2 works great here .
i do n't understand why they trashed the vi-like editor for a emacs-like one .
that was a BAAD decision</tokentext>
<sentencetext>grub2 works great here.
i don't understand why they trashed the vi-like editor for a emacs-like one.
that was a BAAD decision</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969584</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971780</id>
	<title>Two machines, No Problems</title>
	<author>Prototerm</author>
	<datestamp>1257256260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On Friday, I installed the 64 bit version of 9.10 on a Dell Inspiron 1721 laptop and a Dell Studio XPS 435T desktop without any problems or complaints. Did an update on the laptop with an already encrypted Home directory, and it worked just fine. Even the built-in Broadcom WiFi worked properly. I did a fresh install on the desktop, and all the multimedia hardware and software worked without trouble.</p><p>In the end, your success depends on what you've got and what you're using. I should mention that I always keep my Home directory on a separate hard drive partition, and make a backup of the system before making this sort of move. That ought to go without saying, but a lot of people out there hate the "B" word ("backup" for all you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. pervs out there).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On Friday , I installed the 64 bit version of 9.10 on a Dell Inspiron 1721 laptop and a Dell Studio XPS 435T desktop without any problems or complaints .
Did an update on the laptop with an already encrypted Home directory , and it worked just fine .
Even the built-in Broadcom WiFi worked properly .
I did a fresh install on the desktop , and all the multimedia hardware and software worked without trouble.In the end , your success depends on what you 've got and what you 're using .
I should mention that I always keep my Home directory on a separate hard drive partition , and make a backup of the system before making this sort of move .
That ought to go without saying , but a lot of people out there hate the " B " word ( " backup " for all you / .
pervs out there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Friday, I installed the 64 bit version of 9.10 on a Dell Inspiron 1721 laptop and a Dell Studio XPS 435T desktop without any problems or complaints.
Did an update on the laptop with an already encrypted Home directory, and it worked just fine.
Even the built-in Broadcom WiFi worked properly.
I did a fresh install on the desktop, and all the multimedia hardware and software worked without trouble.In the end, your success depends on what you've got and what you're using.
I should mention that I always keep my Home directory on a separate hard drive partition, and make a backup of the system before making this sort of move.
That ought to go without saying, but a lot of people out there hate the "B" word ("backup" for all you /.
pervs out there).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969784</id>
	<title>There's a saying:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pioneers get the arrows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pioneers get the arrows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pioneers get the arrows</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969980</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1257249120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgrades to Kubuntu 9.10 crashes KDE. Clean installs do not. I am perfectly happy. But maybe I am one of those lucky bastards that do not experience these bugs. I got my system running for 9 hours now and so far so good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgrades to Kubuntu 9.10 crashes KDE .
Clean installs do not .
I am perfectly happy .
But maybe I am one of those lucky bastards that do not experience these bugs .
I got my system running for 9 hours now and so far so good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgrades to Kubuntu 9.10 crashes KDE.
Clean installs do not.
I am perfectly happy.
But maybe I am one of those lucky bastards that do not experience these bugs.
I got my system running for 9 hours now and so far so good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973112</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm having the same problem I ALWAYS have when I upgrade Ubuntu: Sound disappears. Then I screw with it for a week and get it working. You'd think I'd wise up and stop upgrading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm having the same problem I ALWAYS have when I upgrade Ubuntu : Sound disappears .
Then I screw with it for a week and get it working .
You 'd think I 'd wise up and stop upgrading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm having the same problem I ALWAYS have when I upgrade Ubuntu: Sound disappears.
Then I screw with it for a week and get it working.
You'd think I'd wise up and stop upgrading.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973292</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1257267720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OS upgrades can go wrong with any OS.</p><p>That said, Ubuntu seems to have more problems than the other distros I have tried.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OS upgrades can go wrong with any OS.That said , Ubuntu seems to have more problems than the other distros I have tried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OS upgrades can go wrong with any OS.That said, Ubuntu seems to have more problems than the other distros I have tried.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973304</id>
	<title>Newschool N00buntu</title>
	<author>angevin</author>
	<datestamp>1257267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I started using linux in 1997. Now I use Windows,  OpenBSD and NetBSD. Something like Ubuntu existing in the 1990s is unthinkable. Some call this progress but I call the dumbing down of *Nix.  Linux used to be exclusively for Geeks and have a relatively knowledgeable user base but now it is for bitches and dumb ones at that. BSD is the way so pick one : FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD. I personally will never use Linux ever again if I can help it.

&ldquo;Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run&rdquo;. --- Theo De Raadt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I started using linux in 1997 .
Now I use Windows , OpenBSD and NetBSD .
Something like Ubuntu existing in the 1990s is unthinkable .
Some call this progress but I call the dumbing down of * Nix .
Linux used to be exclusively for Geeks and have a relatively knowledgeable user base but now it is for bitches and dumb ones at that .
BSD is the way so pick one : FreeBSD , OpenBSD and NetBSD .
I personally will never use Linux ever again if I can help it .
   Linux has never been about quality .
There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks , and it happens to run    .
--- Theo De Raadt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started using linux in 1997.
Now I use Windows,  OpenBSD and NetBSD.
Something like Ubuntu existing in the 1990s is unthinkable.
Some call this progress but I call the dumbing down of *Nix.
Linux used to be exclusively for Geeks and have a relatively knowledgeable user base but now it is for bitches and dumb ones at that.
BSD is the way so pick one : FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD.
I personally will never use Linux ever again if I can help it.
“Linux has never been about quality.
There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run”.
--- Theo De Raadt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969654</id>
	<title>Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>Patman</author>
	<datestamp>1257248160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a fairly painless upgrade from Jaunty on two laptops and a desktop.  What is weird for me is how it interacted with VirtualBox; after the upgrade, my username was missing from the vboxusers group and my XP VMs no longer saw the USB hub; easy to fix once I figured it out, but really frustrating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a fairly painless upgrade from Jaunty on two laptops and a desktop .
What is weird for me is how it interacted with VirtualBox ; after the upgrade , my username was missing from the vboxusers group and my XP VMs no longer saw the USB hub ; easy to fix once I figured it out , but really frustrating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a fairly painless upgrade from Jaunty on two laptops and a desktop.
What is weird for me is how it interacted with VirtualBox; after the upgrade, my username was missing from the vboxusers group and my XP VMs no longer saw the USB hub; easy to fix once I figured it out, but really frustrating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975522</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1256984640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Different nic order each time?  I remember back in the early 2000s when i was installing linux firewalls everywhere, i'd use 2 different brands of NIC and manually insert kernel modules to force order, as sometimes it would vary when switching from one kernel to another kernel (but was consistent on teh same kernel) when using non-modular drivers.
<p>
Having the NICs get a different order every time is a MAJOR bug and makes the box completely useless for any sort of firewall job.
</p><p>
I'm quite shocked at this behavior - especially seeing as its a problem I ran into (in a lesser form) about 10-12 years ago, and something FreeBSD has "just worked" with since I've been using it in about 2000 or so.
</p><p>
Fuck shiny desktops, this is the sort of shit that NEEDS to work properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Different nic order each time ?
I remember back in the early 2000s when i was installing linux firewalls everywhere , i 'd use 2 different brands of NIC and manually insert kernel modules to force order , as sometimes it would vary when switching from one kernel to another kernel ( but was consistent on teh same kernel ) when using non-modular drivers .
Having the NICs get a different order every time is a MAJOR bug and makes the box completely useless for any sort of firewall job .
I 'm quite shocked at this behavior - especially seeing as its a problem I ran into ( in a lesser form ) about 10-12 years ago , and something FreeBSD has " just worked " with since I 've been using it in about 2000 or so .
Fuck shiny desktops , this is the sort of shit that NEEDS to work properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Different nic order each time?
I remember back in the early 2000s when i was installing linux firewalls everywhere, i'd use 2 different brands of NIC and manually insert kernel modules to force order, as sometimes it would vary when switching from one kernel to another kernel (but was consistent on teh same kernel) when using non-modular drivers.
Having the NICs get a different order every time is a MAJOR bug and makes the box completely useless for any sort of firewall job.
I'm quite shocked at this behavior - especially seeing as its a problem I ran into (in a lesser form) about 10-12 years ago, and something FreeBSD has "just worked" with since I've been using it in about 2000 or so.
Fuck shiny desktops, this is the sort of shit that NEEDS to work properly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970400</id>
	<title>2 fresh installs, no problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did a fresh install on an Asus eeePC 900 and on a desktop (AMD something, 512Mb RAM, nVidia): no problem at all.<br>Well, good news do not make headlines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a fresh install on an Asus eeePC 900 and on a desktop ( AMD something , 512Mb RAM , nVidia ) : no problem at all.Well , good news do not make headlines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a fresh install on an Asus eeePC 900 and on a desktop (AMD something, 512Mb RAM, nVidia): no problem at all.Well, good news do not make headlines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972056</id>
	<title>no problems here</title>
	<author>boblaroc</author>
	<datestamp>1257258060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently ditched m$ on my home laptop and installed ubuntu studio 9.04 - which sucked 'cause the real time kernel kept crashing. So after some research, I decided to install the 9.10 beta to see if it was any better.
My computer has never run better!! 9.10 is an awesome release, and I have not seen any of the issues others are having.
Maybe its a clean install vs. upgrade thing.
That said - if anyone knows how to get patchage to recognise the audio port of my NI Audio 8 DJ usb soundcard - I will be forever grateful (patchage recognises the midi ports!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently ditched m $ on my home laptop and installed ubuntu studio 9.04 - which sucked 'cause the real time kernel kept crashing .
So after some research , I decided to install the 9.10 beta to see if it was any better .
My computer has never run better ! !
9.10 is an awesome release , and I have not seen any of the issues others are having .
Maybe its a clean install vs. upgrade thing .
That said - if anyone knows how to get patchage to recognise the audio port of my NI Audio 8 DJ usb soundcard - I will be forever grateful ( patchage recognises the midi ports !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently ditched m$ on my home laptop and installed ubuntu studio 9.04 - which sucked 'cause the real time kernel kept crashing.
So after some research, I decided to install the 9.10 beta to see if it was any better.
My computer has never run better!!
9.10 is an awesome release, and I have not seen any of the issues others are having.
Maybe its a clean install vs. upgrade thing.
That said - if anyone knows how to get patchage to recognise the audio port of my NI Audio 8 DJ usb soundcard - I will be forever grateful (patchage recognises the midi ports!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970204</id>
	<title>Re:Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've had a fairly painless<b>, but really frustrating, </b>upgrade from Jaunty.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a fairly painless , but really frustrating , upgrade from Jaunty.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a fairly painless, but really frustrating, upgrade from Jaunty.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970798</id>
	<title>I'm happy I use a multiboot setup.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed 9.10 on a spare partition.  Install went remarkably smoothly.</p><p>However, X fails to load on startup.  Teh Google doesn't reveal any reliable solutions/recipes to recover from this situation.</p><p>So I'm still using 9.04 for the time being,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed 9.10 on a spare partition .
Install went remarkably smoothly.However , X fails to load on startup .
Teh Google does n't reveal any reliable solutions/recipes to recover from this situation.So I 'm still using 9.04 for the time being,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed 9.10 on a spare partition.
Install went remarkably smoothly.However, X fails to load on startup.
Teh Google doesn't reveal any reliable solutions/recipes to recover from this situation.So I'm still using 9.04 for the time being,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972008</id>
	<title>It happen's...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257257640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not outlandish to think that fresh software will have bugs and compatibility issues. Canonical's recent boom in the Linux community seems to have made people feel like everything they would touch would be turned to gold. At the end of the day, you still have people, which are bound to make mistakes in code. Until we figure out a way to patch that, just roll your distro back to 9.04 and wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not outlandish to think that fresh software will have bugs and compatibility issues .
Canonical 's recent boom in the Linux community seems to have made people feel like everything they would touch would be turned to gold .
At the end of the day , you still have people , which are bound to make mistakes in code .
Until we figure out a way to patch that , just roll your distro back to 9.04 and wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not outlandish to think that fresh software will have bugs and compatibility issues.
Canonical's recent boom in the Linux community seems to have made people feel like everything they would touch would be turned to gold.
At the end of the day, you still have people, which are bound to make mistakes in code.
Until we figure out a way to patch that, just roll your distro back to 9.04 and wait.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970476</id>
	<title>Let the Holy War begin...</title>
	<author>parseexception</author>
	<datestamp>1257250740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>oh wait, it looks like it has, I guess everyone needs something to bitch about, and "ours" is always better than "yours"</htmltext>
<tokenext>oh wait , it looks like it has , I guess everyone needs something to bitch about , and " ours " is always better than " yours "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh wait, it looks like it has, I guess everyone needs something to bitch about, and "ours" is always better than "yours"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970542</id>
	<title>9.10 works good so far...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We just setup a 2TB SAMBA server for network backups. The install was quick and painless, it boots fast, and everything worked 'out-of-the-box'. Very impressed so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We just setup a 2TB SAMBA server for network backups .
The install was quick and painless , it boots fast , and everything worked 'out-of-the-box' .
Very impressed so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We just setup a 2TB SAMBA server for network backups.
The install was quick and painless, it boots fast, and everything worked 'out-of-the-box'.
Very impressed so far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29984872</id>
	<title>Re:netbook remix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am on the Ubuntu bug squad and I am familiar with the reasons why they got rid of the desktop switcher.  The original application worked fine until a change happened to Gnome upstream and broke many of the assumptions that desktop switcher made.  After analyzing the design and considering alternatives, it was decided (at the last minute) that it would be better to take it out before the distro is officially released and endure the brunt of bug reports.</p><p>The entire concept of doing a switch to a live desktop session was determined to be too risky.  Lucid and possibly Karmic will eventually get the ability to choose between a normal Gnome session and an Netbook session at login using the normal methods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am on the Ubuntu bug squad and I am familiar with the reasons why they got rid of the desktop switcher .
The original application worked fine until a change happened to Gnome upstream and broke many of the assumptions that desktop switcher made .
After analyzing the design and considering alternatives , it was decided ( at the last minute ) that it would be better to take it out before the distro is officially released and endure the brunt of bug reports.The entire concept of doing a switch to a live desktop session was determined to be too risky .
Lucid and possibly Karmic will eventually get the ability to choose between a normal Gnome session and an Netbook session at login using the normal methods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am on the Ubuntu bug squad and I am familiar with the reasons why they got rid of the desktop switcher.
The original application worked fine until a change happened to Gnome upstream and broke many of the assumptions that desktop switcher made.
After analyzing the design and considering alternatives, it was decided (at the last minute) that it would be better to take it out before the distro is officially released and endure the brunt of bug reports.The entire concept of doing a switch to a live desktop session was determined to be too risky.
Lucid and possibly Karmic will eventually get the ability to choose between a normal Gnome session and an Netbook session at login using the normal methods.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976244</id>
	<title>9.10 is most working great</title>
	<author>MongooseCN</author>
	<datestamp>1256992200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find 9.10 is working faster than 9.04. It boots faster and the interface is a little faster. The only issue I have is wxmaxima crashes constantly. I can't even do a sqrt(4); without crashing. I'm hoping patches will take care of everything soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find 9.10 is working faster than 9.04 .
It boots faster and the interface is a little faster .
The only issue I have is wxmaxima crashes constantly .
I ca n't even do a sqrt ( 4 ) ; without crashing .
I 'm hoping patches will take care of everything soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find 9.10 is working faster than 9.04.
It boots faster and the interface is a little faster.
The only issue I have is wxmaxima crashes constantly.
I can't even do a sqrt(4); without crashing.
I'm hoping patches will take care of everything soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974336</id>
	<title>what did you expect?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ubuntu is a hobby (for a lot people called the "community").  if you need to get stuff done, get a mac. ubuntu is free--as in free advice, and worth the price</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ubuntu is a hobby ( for a lot people called the " community " ) .
if you need to get stuff done , get a mac .
ubuntu is free--as in free advice , and worth the price</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ubuntu is a hobby (for a lot people called the "community").
if you need to get stuff done, get a mac.
ubuntu is free--as in free advice, and worth the price</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974072</id>
	<title>Insides runny, needs a longer bake</title>
	<author>bornefearless</author>
	<datestamp>1257273120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As soon as I couldn't get vim, I downgraded to 9.04 - I mean, come on! How are you supposed to run a posix system without a good text editor? And I had issues with the wireless driver - apparently if you have a Ralink wifi adapter, there's two kernel mod's competing for resources, which you have to blacklist in order to get it working. The insides are still runny, it needs to cook a little longer. I'll check back in when the apt packages cache has had a chance to catch up with user requirements.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As soon as I could n't get vim , I downgraded to 9.04 - I mean , come on !
How are you supposed to run a posix system without a good text editor ?
And I had issues with the wireless driver - apparently if you have a Ralink wifi adapter , there 's two kernel mod 's competing for resources , which you have to blacklist in order to get it working .
The insides are still runny , it needs to cook a little longer .
I 'll check back in when the apt packages cache has had a chance to catch up with user requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As soon as I couldn't get vim, I downgraded to 9.04 - I mean, come on!
How are you supposed to run a posix system without a good text editor?
And I had issues with the wireless driver - apparently if you have a Ralink wifi adapter, there's two kernel mod's competing for resources, which you have to blacklist in order to get it working.
The insides are still runny, it needs to cook a little longer.
I'll check back in when the apt packages cache has had a chance to catch up with user requirements.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970408</id>
	<title>WiFi authentication?  Who needs that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication working, my laptop is now useless on campus.  Thanks, Ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication working , my laptop is now useless on campus .
Thanks , Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication working, my laptop is now useless on campus.
Thanks, Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981726</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click. Liked better the icon in tool bar.<br>There is an entry in gconf which changes this</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click .
Liked better the icon in tool bar.There is an entry in gconf which changes this</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click.
Liked better the icon in tool bar.There is an entry in gconf which changes this</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980194</id>
	<title>Re:my experience</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1257010980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, if you were installing Windows you'd have had the time to have an orgy lasting the entire day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , if you were installing Windows you 'd have had the time to have an orgy lasting the entire day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, if you were installing Windows you'd have had the time to have an orgy lasting the entire day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970102</id>
	<title>This is what we've been working for!</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1257249480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So basically, Ubuntu has finally achieved parity with Windows, then?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically , Ubuntu has finally achieved parity with Windows , then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically, Ubuntu has finally achieved parity with Windows, then?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971772</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>OFnow</author>
	<datestamp>1257256200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and everything went smoothly except for the following: 1. My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason. I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio, and it had worked fine after installing 9.04, but stopped working when I upgraded. It now claims I have no sound hardware installed, and I'm not entirely sure how to correct it. "</p><p>Wierdly, my experience was the reverse. My microphone (using built-in sound on a new-to-me<br>ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/Wifi)  did not work with 9.04 (nor did sound even play till I fiddled<br>with sound settings, one defaulted off).  But with 9.10 it did all work out-of-the-box -- great for me.</p><p>Now if the ATI  Radeon HD 4350 (newly out this year)  worked better with the open-source drivers<br>it would be great. But I get ugly speckles in menu bars.</p><p>Regardless, it's all better than Fedora Core 9 (which I had  on older motherboard plus PCI sound card).<br>I do get it though: lots of different experiences out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 , and everything went smoothly except for the following : 1 .
My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason .
I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio , and it had worked fine after installing 9.04 , but stopped working when I upgraded .
It now claims I have no sound hardware installed , and I 'm not entirely sure how to correct it .
" Wierdly , my experience was the reverse .
My microphone ( using built-in sound on a new-to-meASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/Wifi ) did not work with 9.04 ( nor did sound even play till I fiddledwith sound settings , one defaulted off ) .
But with 9.10 it did all work out-of-the-box -- great for me.Now if the ATI Radeon HD 4350 ( newly out this year ) worked better with the open-source driversit would be great .
But I get ugly speckles in menu bars.Regardless , it 's all better than Fedora Core 9 ( which I had on older motherboard plus PCI sound card ) .I do get it though : lots of different experiences out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and everything went smoothly except for the following: 1.
My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason.
I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio, and it had worked fine after installing 9.04, but stopped working when I upgraded.
It now claims I have no sound hardware installed, and I'm not entirely sure how to correct it.
"Wierdly, my experience was the reverse.
My microphone (using built-in sound on a new-to-meASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/Wifi)  did not work with 9.04 (nor did sound even play till I fiddledwith sound settings, one defaulted off).
But with 9.10 it did all work out-of-the-box -- great for me.Now if the ATI  Radeon HD 4350 (newly out this year)  worked better with the open-source driversit would be great.
But I get ugly speckles in menu bars.Regardless, it's all better than Fedora Core 9 (which I had  on older motherboard plus PCI sound card).I do get it though: lots of different experiences out there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971128</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>hufman</author>
	<datestamp>1257253080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Make sure your GRUB shows the new 2.6.31 kernel.
When I upgraded, the kernel installed, but it didn't run update-grub, and so my GRUB menu didn't show the new kernel.
When it booted into the old kernel, I had the same problem as you, where it showed that no audio devices were installed. Merely booting into the proper new kernel fixed it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure your GRUB shows the new 2.6.31 kernel .
When I upgraded , the kernel installed , but it did n't run update-grub , and so my GRUB menu did n't show the new kernel .
When it booted into the old kernel , I had the same problem as you , where it showed that no audio devices were installed .
Merely booting into the proper new kernel fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure your GRUB shows the new 2.6.31 kernel.
When I upgraded, the kernel installed, but it didn't run update-grub, and so my GRUB menu didn't show the new kernel.
When it booted into the old kernel, I had the same problem as you, where it showed that no audio devices were installed.
Merely booting into the proper new kernel fixed it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975296</id>
	<title>Only one or two</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only 1 or 2 minor glitches (the new Google Earth wasn't showing earth for a while).  Otherwise, things are faster than before (much faster), and its more polished than 9.04.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only 1 or 2 minor glitches ( the new Google Earth was n't showing earth for a while ) .
Otherwise , things are faster than before ( much faster ) , and its more polished than 9.04 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only 1 or 2 minor glitches (the new Google Earth wasn't showing earth for a while).
Otherwise, things are faster than before (much faster), and its more polished than 9.04.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970622</id>
	<title>Flash</title>
	<author>nukeade</author>
	<datestamp>1257251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed this on my work and home PC with no obvious problems, and was really pleased with the responsiveness.</p><p>It wasn't until later that I realized that Flash no longer responds to mouse clicks.  It makes YouTube and Pandora hard to use, and other Flash apps nearly impossible to use.  A workaround was recommended, which unfortunately causes Firefox to crash on loading a Flash app.</p><p>~Ben</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed this on my work and home PC with no obvious problems , and was really pleased with the responsiveness.It was n't until later that I realized that Flash no longer responds to mouse clicks .
It makes YouTube and Pandora hard to use , and other Flash apps nearly impossible to use .
A workaround was recommended , which unfortunately causes Firefox to crash on loading a Flash app. ~ Ben</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed this on my work and home PC with no obvious problems, and was really pleased with the responsiveness.It wasn't until later that I realized that Flash no longer responds to mouse clicks.
It makes YouTube and Pandora hard to use, and other Flash apps nearly impossible to use.
A workaround was recommended, which unfortunately causes Firefox to crash on loading a Flash app.~Ben</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970764</id>
	<title>it's an up and down along the canonical schedule..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's hard to please everybody...</p><p>i had some problems with audio and video with 8.10 and huge problems with 9.04 (aopen mp945 minipc)... intel driver and pulseaudio were just not mature enough. i ended up using bleeding edge drivers from the x-edgers ppa all the time (and still had occasional problems, tearing, performance sucking, compiz crashes and huge font with too much overscan in the console on my 1080p tv) and wasted quite a few hours getting digital audio (or any audio for that matter) to work... and it took forever to boot and stopped the networkmanager taking down interfaces before unmounting cifs shares.</p><p>karmic now boots in flicker free 25 seconds to X, has a beautiful 1080p console, stable audio so far and shuts down faster than i can grab the remote to turn off the tv.</p><p>now that's what i call good karma.</p><p>(also i tried pxe &amp; netinstall this time and i am never going back to cds!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's hard to please everybody...i had some problems with audio and video with 8.10 and huge problems with 9.04 ( aopen mp945 minipc ) ... intel driver and pulseaudio were just not mature enough .
i ended up using bleeding edge drivers from the x-edgers ppa all the time ( and still had occasional problems , tearing , performance sucking , compiz crashes and huge font with too much overscan in the console on my 1080p tv ) and wasted quite a few hours getting digital audio ( or any audio for that matter ) to work... and it took forever to boot and stopped the networkmanager taking down interfaces before unmounting cifs shares.karmic now boots in flicker free 25 seconds to X , has a beautiful 1080p console , stable audio so far and shuts down faster than i can grab the remote to turn off the tv.now that 's what i call good karma .
( also i tried pxe &amp; netinstall this time and i am never going back to cds !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's hard to please everybody...i had some problems with audio and video with 8.10 and huge problems with 9.04 (aopen mp945 minipc)... intel driver and pulseaudio were just not mature enough.
i ended up using bleeding edge drivers from the x-edgers ppa all the time (and still had occasional problems, tearing, performance sucking, compiz crashes and huge font with too much overscan in the console on my 1080p tv) and wasted quite a few hours getting digital audio (or any audio for that matter) to work... and it took forever to boot and stopped the networkmanager taking down interfaces before unmounting cifs shares.karmic now boots in flicker free 25 seconds to X, has a beautiful 1080p console, stable audio so far and shuts down faster than i can grab the remote to turn off the tv.now that's what i call good karma.
(also i tried pxe &amp; netinstall this time and i am never going back to cds!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972296</id>
	<title>I was "hit", still happy though</title>
	<author>harris s newman</author>
	<datestamp>1257259620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My X86\_64 wouldn't boot up after install, after 2 days realized it was a simple comment out of the splash page in Grub.  Openarena also won't run without crashing my system (wow!) but still, I love ubuntu! Never would I go back to windoz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My X86 \ _64 would n't boot up after install , after 2 days realized it was a simple comment out of the splash page in Grub .
Openarena also wo n't run without crashing my system ( wow !
) but still , I love ubuntu !
Never would I go back to windoz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My X86\_64 wouldn't boot up after install, after 2 days realized it was a simple comment out of the splash page in Grub.
Openarena also won't run without crashing my system (wow!
) but still, I love ubuntu!
Never would I go back to windoz.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972072</id>
	<title>Why is everyone upgrading...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257258240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 Partitions 1<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home and one /</p><p>install fresh system + apps and there is no pain with upgrade bugs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 Partitions 1 /home and one /install fresh system + apps and there is no pain with upgrade bugs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 Partitions 1 /home and one /install fresh system + apps and there is no pain with upgrade bugs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971860</id>
	<title>Yeah; I'm glad I'm waiting the month.</title>
	<author>Grendel Drago</author>
	<datestamp>1257256740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intrepid Ibex caused the use of my integrated wireless (an Aironet on a Thinkpad T40p) to eventually lock up my laptop. I eventually gave up on trying to git-bisect it after the tenth kernel recompilation, as older kernel versions caused *X* to crash instead. Jaunty Jackalope contained a version of PulseAudio which shit all over my sound setup, such that I cannot play a goddamn MP3 in Rhythmbox on my idle desktop (a bog-standard Dell with ICH5 audio) without the sound skipping. (Party like it's 1999!) At least mplayer works if I pipe things through its esd module... even though that's just a frontend for pulse. I don't even want to know.</p><p>I cannot <i>wait</i> to see what happens when I inflict the Koala on my systems. If the audio is unfucked on my desktop this time, maybe I'll actually try it on my laptop.</p><p>Seriously, though, I wish I could be surprised when incredibly common commodity hardware is horribly broken on the most popular linux distro. I just wish it would eventually get *less* broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intrepid Ibex caused the use of my integrated wireless ( an Aironet on a Thinkpad T40p ) to eventually lock up my laptop .
I eventually gave up on trying to git-bisect it after the tenth kernel recompilation , as older kernel versions caused * X * to crash instead .
Jaunty Jackalope contained a version of PulseAudio which shit all over my sound setup , such that I can not play a goddamn MP3 in Rhythmbox on my idle desktop ( a bog-standard Dell with ICH5 audio ) without the sound skipping .
( Party like it 's 1999 !
) At least mplayer works if I pipe things through its esd module... even though that 's just a frontend for pulse .
I do n't even want to know.I can not wait to see what happens when I inflict the Koala on my systems .
If the audio is unfucked on my desktop this time , maybe I 'll actually try it on my laptop.Seriously , though , I wish I could be surprised when incredibly common commodity hardware is horribly broken on the most popular linux distro .
I just wish it would eventually get * less * broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intrepid Ibex caused the use of my integrated wireless (an Aironet on a Thinkpad T40p) to eventually lock up my laptop.
I eventually gave up on trying to git-bisect it after the tenth kernel recompilation, as older kernel versions caused *X* to crash instead.
Jaunty Jackalope contained a version of PulseAudio which shit all over my sound setup, such that I cannot play a goddamn MP3 in Rhythmbox on my idle desktop (a bog-standard Dell with ICH5 audio) without the sound skipping.
(Party like it's 1999!
) At least mplayer works if I pipe things through its esd module... even though that's just a frontend for pulse.
I don't even want to know.I cannot wait to see what happens when I inflict the Koala on my systems.
If the audio is unfucked on my desktop this time, maybe I'll actually try it on my laptop.Seriously, though, I wish I could be surprised when incredibly common commodity hardware is horribly broken on the most popular linux distro.
I just wish it would eventually get *less* broken.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971730</id>
	<title>Yes but did they fix pulseaudio?</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1257256020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been so broken for so long.</p><p>I moved completely away from Ubuntu because an upgrade broke my system with the 'stable' version previous to this latest snafu. They also disabled several long term features. One broke midnight commander in a terminal was done to placate emacs zealots and the others for no rational reason other than it bothered someone with the power to make it happen.</p><p>It sounds so familiar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been so broken for so long.I moved completely away from Ubuntu because an upgrade broke my system with the 'stable ' version previous to this latest snafu .
They also disabled several long term features .
One broke midnight commander in a terminal was done to placate emacs zealots and the others for no rational reason other than it bothered someone with the power to make it happen.It sounds so familiar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been so broken for so long.I moved completely away from Ubuntu because an upgrade broke my system with the 'stable' version previous to this latest snafu.
They also disabled several long term features.
One broke midnight commander in a terminal was done to placate emacs zealots and the others for no rational reason other than it bothered someone with the power to make it happen.It sounds so familiar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972460</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257260760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had your same symptoms.<br>Those were caused by Ubuntu 9.10 failing to update<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the new kernel 2.6.31 instead of the old one 2.6.28 of the 9.04.<br>Just update<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the right kernel and everything will work again.</p><p>Stupid problem, simple solution. Nevertheless I am appalled by this episode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had your same symptoms.Those were caused by Ubuntu 9.10 failing to update /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the new kernel 2.6.31 instead of the old one 2.6.28 of the 9.04.Just update /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the right kernel and everything will work again.Stupid problem , simple solution .
Nevertheless I am appalled by this episode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had your same symptoms.Those were caused by Ubuntu 9.10 failing to update /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the new kernel 2.6.31 instead of the old one 2.6.28 of the 9.04.Just update /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot from the right kernel and everything will work again.Stupid problem, simple solution.
Nevertheless I am appalled by this episode.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976884</id>
	<title>My experience has been bad</title>
	<author>dbc001</author>
	<datestamp>1256998440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run Ubuntu on 4 computers in my house, and on my laptop at work.  I did a fresh install on my main workstation of Ubuntu Studio 9.10 x64.  <br> <br>
I've had several serious issues, and I'm considering downgrading to 9.04.  Occasionally nautilus will switch from clearlooks to what looks like a default theme, with larger fonts.  It's distracting to say the least.  When I reboot, my dual monitor setup reverts to single monitor mode.<br> <br>
While those are pretty minor problems, I'm concerned that there might be more issues under the hood.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run Ubuntu on 4 computers in my house , and on my laptop at work .
I did a fresh install on my main workstation of Ubuntu Studio 9.10 x64 .
I 've had several serious issues , and I 'm considering downgrading to 9.04 .
Occasionally nautilus will switch from clearlooks to what looks like a default theme , with larger fonts .
It 's distracting to say the least .
When I reboot , my dual monitor setup reverts to single monitor mode .
While those are pretty minor problems , I 'm concerned that there might be more issues under the hood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run Ubuntu on 4 computers in my house, and on my laptop at work.
I did a fresh install on my main workstation of Ubuntu Studio 9.10 x64.
I've had several serious issues, and I'm considering downgrading to 9.04.
Occasionally nautilus will switch from clearlooks to what looks like a default theme, with larger fonts.
It's distracting to say the least.
When I reboot, my dual monitor setup reverts to single monitor mode.
While those are pretty minor problems, I'm concerned that there might be more issues under the hood.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30003840</id>
	<title>Re:There's a shocker...</title>
	<author>DarkEmpath</author>
	<datestamp>1257501120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't have "usability" without stability. When Ubuntu crashes and drops me back to the logon screen every time I try to do something useful, Canonical is showing it doesn't care about "usability" any more than it cares about stability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have " usability " without stability .
When Ubuntu crashes and drops me back to the logon screen every time I try to do something useful , Canonical is showing it does n't care about " usability " any more than it cares about stability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have "usability" without stability.
When Ubuntu crashes and drops me back to the logon screen every time I try to do something useful, Canonical is showing it doesn't care about "usability" any more than it cares about stability.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974014</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257272760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.  For every problem I've encountered, I've always found a workable solution (in a reasonable time frame).  Outside of hard disk failure, I've never had to reinstall a distro due to bugs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
For every problem I 've encountered , I 've always found a workable solution ( in a reasonable time frame ) .
Outside of hard disk failure , I 've never had to reinstall a distro due to bugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
For every problem I've encountered, I've always found a workable solution (in a reasonable time frame).
Outside of hard disk failure, I've never had to reinstall a distro due to bugs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975476</id>
	<title>Works great here, but</title>
	<author>thsths</author>
	<datestamp>1256984220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see that they changed a lot. Especially the kernel video mode setting is a big change, although arguable long overdue.</p><p>It is better to have these problems now than with the next LTS version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see that they changed a lot .
Especially the kernel video mode setting is a big change , although arguable long overdue.It is better to have these problems now than with the next LTS version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see that they changed a lot.
Especially the kernel video mode setting is a big change, although arguable long overdue.It is better to have these problems now than with the next LTS version.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970852</id>
	<title>No problems here</title>
	<author>CAFED00D</author>
	<datestamp>1257252000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed it on my Dell XPS laptop, replacing Vista.  My only complaint was that it took some work to get CPU scaling to work...but as far as functionality goes, cheers to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed it on my Dell XPS laptop , replacing Vista .
My only complaint was that it took some work to get CPU scaling to work...but as far as functionality goes , cheers to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed it on my Dell XPS laptop, replacing Vista.
My only complaint was that it took some work to get CPU scaling to work...but as far as functionality goes, cheers to them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971082</id>
	<title>My Experience with Ubuntu Linux 9.10 Karmic Koala</title>
	<author>woddfellow2</author>
	<datestamp>1257252900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, I tried to do an upgrade normally with Update Manager. I stopped it because due to a slow Internet connection, it was taking too long. Then, I decided to do a fresh install. Before this, Windows XP was on the 35 GB hard disk, and GNU/Linux was on the 16 GB hard disk. I decided to move Windows to the 16 GB HDD and GNU/Linux to the 35 GB HDD, because I store my data on the GNU/Linux partition and I was running out of free space with the 16 GB HDD.</p><p>I backed up my data to the Windows partition, installed a new installation of Windows XP on the 16 GB HDD, moved my backup there, then used UNetbooin to install Xubuntu 9.10 on the 35 GB HDD.</p><p>It installed perfectly fine. The only major problem I had was that GRUB2 could not boot into Windows "out of the box". I eventually got it to boot into the Windows partition, but then I ran into problems with Windows itself booting. As of this writing I am still trying to fix it. Also, there has been a problem with the swap partition not activating automatically at boot (I must activate it manually with <tt>swapon</tt>), but I uncommented a line in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/fstab and I will see if it worked at next reboot.</p><p>

The improvements I noticed were:
</p><ul>
<li>It takes only about a minute to boot</li><li>Login/XFCE startup is faster</li><li>Halt/reboot takes only about 10&ndash;20 seconds</li></ul><p>So far, I am satisfied with Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I tried to do an upgrade normally with Update Manager .
I stopped it because due to a slow Internet connection , it was taking too long .
Then , I decided to do a fresh install .
Before this , Windows XP was on the 35 GB hard disk , and GNU/Linux was on the 16 GB hard disk .
I decided to move Windows to the 16 GB HDD and GNU/Linux to the 35 GB HDD , because I store my data on the GNU/Linux partition and I was running out of free space with the 16 GB HDD.I backed up my data to the Windows partition , installed a new installation of Windows XP on the 16 GB HDD , moved my backup there , then used UNetbooin to install Xubuntu 9.10 on the 35 GB HDD.It installed perfectly fine .
The only major problem I had was that GRUB2 could not boot into Windows " out of the box " .
I eventually got it to boot into the Windows partition , but then I ran into problems with Windows itself booting .
As of this writing I am still trying to fix it .
Also , there has been a problem with the swap partition not activating automatically at boot ( I must activate it manually with swapon ) , but I uncommented a line in /etc/fstab and I will see if it worked at next reboot .
The improvements I noticed were : It takes only about a minute to bootLogin/XFCE startup is fasterHalt/reboot takes only about 10    20 secondsSo far , I am satisfied with Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I tried to do an upgrade normally with Update Manager.
I stopped it because due to a slow Internet connection, it was taking too long.
Then, I decided to do a fresh install.
Before this, Windows XP was on the 35 GB hard disk, and GNU/Linux was on the 16 GB hard disk.
I decided to move Windows to the 16 GB HDD and GNU/Linux to the 35 GB HDD, because I store my data on the GNU/Linux partition and I was running out of free space with the 16 GB HDD.I backed up my data to the Windows partition, installed a new installation of Windows XP on the 16 GB HDD, moved my backup there, then used UNetbooin to install Xubuntu 9.10 on the 35 GB HDD.It installed perfectly fine.
The only major problem I had was that GRUB2 could not boot into Windows "out of the box".
I eventually got it to boot into the Windows partition, but then I ran into problems with Windows itself booting.
As of this writing I am still trying to fix it.
Also, there has been a problem with the swap partition not activating automatically at boot (I must activate it manually with swapon), but I uncommented a line in /etc/fstab and I will see if it worked at next reboot.
The improvements I noticed were:

It takes only about a minute to bootLogin/XFCE startup is fasterHalt/reboot takes only about 10–20 secondsSo far, I am satisfied with Karmic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973666</id>
	<title>Faster boot (NOT 10s), but broken wireless..</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1257270720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having wireless work out of the box without having to connect an ethernet cable is a make or break feature for many many people, especially new Linux converts.

I have an XPS 1530, 1 yr old with Broadcom wireless.  9.04 used to work perfectly, 9.10 is broken.  Need to connect that cable and search repeatedly for hardware drivers (that drivers module seriously SUCKS!!).

If Linux is made by so many "smart" people why can't they realize that when they break something so basic, they will lose many users.

I can also attest to seeing several screen flashes.  WTF happened to having a "smooth" boot experience?

The only thing improvement in 9.10 appears to be boot speed.  Which is still NOT 10 seconds?  What the fuck.  This release from my point of view, is garbage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having wireless work out of the box without having to connect an ethernet cable is a make or break feature for many many people , especially new Linux converts .
I have an XPS 1530 , 1 yr old with Broadcom wireless .
9.04 used to work perfectly , 9.10 is broken .
Need to connect that cable and search repeatedly for hardware drivers ( that drivers module seriously SUCKS ! ! ) .
If Linux is made by so many " smart " people why ca n't they realize that when they break something so basic , they will lose many users .
I can also attest to seeing several screen flashes .
WTF happened to having a " smooth " boot experience ?
The only thing improvement in 9.10 appears to be boot speed .
Which is still NOT 10 seconds ?
What the fuck .
This release from my point of view , is garbage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having wireless work out of the box without having to connect an ethernet cable is a make or break feature for many many people, especially new Linux converts.
I have an XPS 1530, 1 yr old with Broadcom wireless.
9.04 used to work perfectly, 9.10 is broken.
Need to connect that cable and search repeatedly for hardware drivers (that drivers module seriously SUCKS!!).
If Linux is made by so many "smart" people why can't they realize that when they break something so basic, they will lose many users.
I can also attest to seeing several screen flashes.
WTF happened to having a "smooth" boot experience?
The only thing improvement in 9.10 appears to be boot speed.
Which is still NOT 10 seconds?
What the fuck.
This release from my point of view, is garbage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970718</id>
	<title>The Windows Guy who installed Ubuntu</title>
	<author>war4peace</author>
	<datestamp>1257251580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now don't throw stones at me, please, but I'm a Windows guy. I never check for Linux distros to see what's new, I'm contempt using my Win-based boxes. But 2 days ago I was talking to a friend about Linux and stuff and felt the urge to see what's changed. It's been close to two years since I last played with any Linux distro except a heavily modified RHEL release which my company provides to appease its Linux community.<br> <br>
To my shame, I could only remember Ubuntu right then so I went to their website and downloaded 9.10; fired my VirtualBox installation, mounted the ISO and went on to create a virtual machine.<br> <br>
At first boot, I chose to start the live CD, looked around and started a HDD installation. It did some stuff then suddenly rebooted and went into a weird loop: the GUI was appearing for a few seconds, then disappeared, letting some text show up behind it, then went on again, <i>ad nauseam</i>. I forcefully restarted the machine and went on to attempt another install after reducing the amount of CPUs shown in the VM from 2 to 1 (dual-core goes bye-bye). To my surprise, that worked and the installation went on flawlessly.<br> <br>
Now I must say I am heavily impressed by what Ubuntu has become. It's fast, easy to work with and most importantly, I didn't even have to look up where Terminal is. A shitload of apps were available at a click's distance, it never died on me and I didn't have to install any post-installation drivers. On the other hand, yes, it's a VM still, with "standard" emulated hardware, no fancy things and implementations whetsoever, so my experience might not be relevant but anyway, I gave it a go on one of my company's desktop stations (Dell Optiplex 745), where it (as well) installed flawlessly.<br> <br>
Oh, yes, Ubuntu's sound system seems a little bit uneasy on my VM (cracks and pops when OS starts up and plays that annoying "welcome" sound), but I ain't going to use it to play music<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) so I could care less. In the end, it was (and is) a pleasant experience... with one NOTABLE exception: it doesn't recognize the emulated monitor. I don't know why, I'm not Linux savvy, I have no clue how to fix the issue, but in Display Options, the monitor appears as "Unknown" and it allows shitty resolutions (640*480, 800*600 and 13xx*768). That on a 24" Dell Monitor which supports a native 1920*1200 resolution. That's bad but not a show stopper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now do n't throw stones at me , please , but I 'm a Windows guy .
I never check for Linux distros to see what 's new , I 'm contempt using my Win-based boxes .
But 2 days ago I was talking to a friend about Linux and stuff and felt the urge to see what 's changed .
It 's been close to two years since I last played with any Linux distro except a heavily modified RHEL release which my company provides to appease its Linux community .
To my shame , I could only remember Ubuntu right then so I went to their website and downloaded 9.10 ; fired my VirtualBox installation , mounted the ISO and went on to create a virtual machine .
At first boot , I chose to start the live CD , looked around and started a HDD installation .
It did some stuff then suddenly rebooted and went into a weird loop : the GUI was appearing for a few seconds , then disappeared , letting some text show up behind it , then went on again , ad nauseam .
I forcefully restarted the machine and went on to attempt another install after reducing the amount of CPUs shown in the VM from 2 to 1 ( dual-core goes bye-bye ) .
To my surprise , that worked and the installation went on flawlessly .
Now I must say I am heavily impressed by what Ubuntu has become .
It 's fast , easy to work with and most importantly , I did n't even have to look up where Terminal is .
A shitload of apps were available at a click 's distance , it never died on me and I did n't have to install any post-installation drivers .
On the other hand , yes , it 's a VM still , with " standard " emulated hardware , no fancy things and implementations whetsoever , so my experience might not be relevant but anyway , I gave it a go on one of my company 's desktop stations ( Dell Optiplex 745 ) , where it ( as well ) installed flawlessly .
Oh , yes , Ubuntu 's sound system seems a little bit uneasy on my VM ( cracks and pops when OS starts up and plays that annoying " welcome " sound ) , but I ai n't going to use it to play music : ) so I could care less .
In the end , it was ( and is ) a pleasant experience... with one NOTABLE exception : it does n't recognize the emulated monitor .
I do n't know why , I 'm not Linux savvy , I have no clue how to fix the issue , but in Display Options , the monitor appears as " Unknown " and it allows shitty resolutions ( 640 * 480 , 800 * 600 and 13xx * 768 ) .
That on a 24 " Dell Monitor which supports a native 1920 * 1200 resolution .
That 's bad but not a show stopper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now don't throw stones at me, please, but I'm a Windows guy.
I never check for Linux distros to see what's new, I'm contempt using my Win-based boxes.
But 2 days ago I was talking to a friend about Linux and stuff and felt the urge to see what's changed.
It's been close to two years since I last played with any Linux distro except a heavily modified RHEL release which my company provides to appease its Linux community.
To my shame, I could only remember Ubuntu right then so I went to their website and downloaded 9.10; fired my VirtualBox installation, mounted the ISO and went on to create a virtual machine.
At first boot, I chose to start the live CD, looked around and started a HDD installation.
It did some stuff then suddenly rebooted and went into a weird loop: the GUI was appearing for a few seconds, then disappeared, letting some text show up behind it, then went on again, ad nauseam.
I forcefully restarted the machine and went on to attempt another install after reducing the amount of CPUs shown in the VM from 2 to 1 (dual-core goes bye-bye).
To my surprise, that worked and the installation went on flawlessly.
Now I must say I am heavily impressed by what Ubuntu has become.
It's fast, easy to work with and most importantly, I didn't even have to look up where Terminal is.
A shitload of apps were available at a click's distance, it never died on me and I didn't have to install any post-installation drivers.
On the other hand, yes, it's a VM still, with "standard" emulated hardware, no fancy things and implementations whetsoever, so my experience might not be relevant but anyway, I gave it a go on one of my company's desktop stations (Dell Optiplex 745), where it (as well) installed flawlessly.
Oh, yes, Ubuntu's sound system seems a little bit uneasy on my VM (cracks and pops when OS starts up and plays that annoying "welcome" sound), but I ain't going to use it to play music :) so I could care less.
In the end, it was (and is) a pleasant experience... with one NOTABLE exception: it doesn't recognize the emulated monitor.
I don't know why, I'm not Linux savvy, I have no clue how to fix the issue, but in Display Options, the monitor appears as "Unknown" and it allows shitty resolutions (640*480, 800*600 and 13xx*768).
That on a 24" Dell Monitor which supports a native 1920*1200 resolution.
That's bad but not a show stopper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970614</id>
	<title>OpenLdap Incompatibilities</title>
	<author>obender</author>
	<datestamp>1257251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only problem I encountered moving from 9.04 to 9.10 was in OpenLdap. The new version 2.4.18 complained about a configuration file in a subdirectory under<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/ldap/slapd.d. After reading the OpenLdap source it turned out that it required all access rules to be numbered if at least one was numbered. The files in question were produced by the earlier version of slapd by parsing slapd.conf.auth. So I edited them manually adding a number prefix to the last rule and then it worked OK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problem I encountered moving from 9.04 to 9.10 was in OpenLdap .
The new version 2.4.18 complained about a configuration file in a subdirectory under /etc/ldap/slapd.d .
After reading the OpenLdap source it turned out that it required all access rules to be numbered if at least one was numbered .
The files in question were produced by the earlier version of slapd by parsing slapd.conf.auth .
So I edited them manually adding a number prefix to the last rule and then it worked OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problem I encountered moving from 9.04 to 9.10 was in OpenLdap.
The new version 2.4.18 complained about a configuration file in a subdirectory under /etc/ldap/slapd.d.
After reading the OpenLdap source it turned out that it required all access rules to be numbered if at least one was numbered.
The files in question were produced by the earlier version of slapd by parsing slapd.conf.auth.
So I edited them manually adding a number prefix to the last rule and then it worked OK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972682</id>
	<title>Works fine for me</title>
	<author>NINJacob</author>
	<datestamp>1257262440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had zero problems....none at all.  Everything is working perfectly.</p><p>I even gave gnome-shell a try and I love it.  It's not ready for prime time, but I haven't gone back.</p><p>Empathy sucks balls though....when it doesn't crash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had zero problems....none at all .
Everything is working perfectly.I even gave gnome-shell a try and I love it .
It 's not ready for prime time , but I have n't gone back.Empathy sucks balls though....when it does n't crash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had zero problems....none at all.
Everything is working perfectly.I even gave gnome-shell a try and I love it.
It's not ready for prime time, but I haven't gone back.Empathy sucks balls though....when it doesn't crash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30136774</id>
	<title>Application Problems</title>
	<author>KGF2009</author>
	<datestamp>1258459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mostly, when I first upgraded to Karmic, I had problems with the applications I had on there. Most applications that used any kind of sound crashed on start, with an error relating to the registry I can't remember anymore. It had some sound issues with the programs that didn't crash as well. However, I did quickly dispatch these problems by downloading a disc of 9.10 and doing a fresh install. That fixed everything right away, now I have no problems with the Koala.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mostly , when I first upgraded to Karmic , I had problems with the applications I had on there .
Most applications that used any kind of sound crashed on start , with an error relating to the registry I ca n't remember anymore .
It had some sound issues with the programs that did n't crash as well .
However , I did quickly dispatch these problems by downloading a disc of 9.10 and doing a fresh install .
That fixed everything right away , now I have no problems with the Koala .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mostly, when I first upgraded to Karmic, I had problems with the applications I had on there.
Most applications that used any kind of sound crashed on start, with an error relating to the registry I can't remember anymore.
It had some sound issues with the programs that didn't crash as well.
However, I did quickly dispatch these problems by downloading a disc of 9.10 and doing a fresh install.
That fixed everything right away, now I have no problems with the Koala.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972208</id>
	<title>In my experience...</title>
	<author>Jephir</author>
	<datestamp>1257259080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... Ubuntu 9.10 was actually less buggy than previous releases. Before my system would crash whenever put into suspend mode, audio would stop working after resuming from suspend, Flash would constantly crash Firefox, etc. None of which are a problem in the current release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Ubuntu 9.10 was actually less buggy than previous releases .
Before my system would crash whenever put into suspend mode , audio would stop working after resuming from suspend , Flash would constantly crash Firefox , etc .
None of which are a problem in the current release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Ubuntu 9.10 was actually less buggy than previous releases.
Before my system would crash whenever put into suspend mode, audio would stop working after resuming from suspend, Flash would constantly crash Firefox, etc.
None of which are a problem in the current release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972256</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1257259380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wireless is broken on kubuntu 9.10, this appears to be an acknowledged bug. Alas, I was unable to revert, having deleted old packages, and on this netbook I was no longer able to access the internet. With this and other problems with kubuntu, I gave up. I loaded Fedora 11 on a usb flashdrive, repartitioned the drive, and loaded Fedora. I like it a lot better, even if it is harder to get some software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wireless is broken on kubuntu 9.10 , this appears to be an acknowledged bug .
Alas , I was unable to revert , having deleted old packages , and on this netbook I was no longer able to access the internet .
With this and other problems with kubuntu , I gave up .
I loaded Fedora 11 on a usb flashdrive , repartitioned the drive , and loaded Fedora .
I like it a lot better , even if it is harder to get some software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wireless is broken on kubuntu 9.10, this appears to be an acknowledged bug.
Alas, I was unable to revert, having deleted old packages, and on this netbook I was no longer able to access the internet.
With this and other problems with kubuntu, I gave up.
I loaded Fedora 11 on a usb flashdrive, repartitioned the drive, and loaded Fedora.
I like it a lot better, even if it is harder to get some software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29986516</id>
	<title>More user stories at ubun2.com</title>
	<author>ZyYyXy</author>
	<datestamp>1256986620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is lot of user stories on the ubun2.com site check it out <a href="http://www.ubun2.com/question/290/how\_did\_your\_ubuntu\_910\_karmic\_koala\_install\_or\_upgrade\_go" title="ubun2.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ubun2.com/question/290/how\_did\_your\_ubuntu\_910\_karmic\_koala\_install\_or\_upgrade\_go</a> [ubun2.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is lot of user stories on the ubun2.com site check it out http : //www.ubun2.com/question/290/how \ _did \ _your \ _ubuntu \ _910 \ _karmic \ _koala \ _install \ _or \ _upgrade \ _go [ ubun2.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is lot of user stories on the ubun2.com site check it out http://www.ubun2.com/question/290/how\_did\_your\_ubuntu\_910\_karmic\_koala\_install\_or\_upgrade\_go [ubun2.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976278</id>
	<title>Slow Boot Up</title>
	<author>mangomama</author>
	<datestamp>1256992800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My old notebook (P3 650mhz) went from booting up in ~1:45 on 9.04 (that's pushing the on button to firefox loaded) to about 3:15 on 9.10.  That's very disappointing.  The OS still runs fine, but it ran fine before.  At least that is the only issue I've had.  Still, I expected improvements, not a near doubling of my bootup time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My old notebook ( P3 650mhz ) went from booting up in ~ 1 : 45 on 9.04 ( that 's pushing the on button to firefox loaded ) to about 3 : 15 on 9.10 .
That 's very disappointing .
The OS still runs fine , but it ran fine before .
At least that is the only issue I 've had .
Still , I expected improvements , not a near doubling of my bootup time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My old notebook (P3 650mhz) went from booting up in ~1:45 on 9.04 (that's pushing the on button to firefox loaded) to about 3:15 on 9.10.
That's very disappointing.
The OS still runs fine, but it ran fine before.
At least that is the only issue I've had.
Still, I expected improvements, not a near doubling of my bootup time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975140</id>
	<title>One mostly happy user</title>
	<author>dhalgren</author>
	<datestamp>1256981100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, just another anecdote in the mix here, really.</p><p>I ran the 9.10 RC in virtualbox for a little over a week before the release, and was pretty happy with it overall. That still wouldn't have told me everything I needed to know, but I know from experience that I should expect problems with the nvidia and intel 4965 drivers, and I have always had to ditch PulseAudio (which I have railed against including as default) and I hate Network Manager. For reference, this is on an ASUS G1S laptop with a retrofit Seagate Momentus 7400 hd running ext4 on all partitions.</p><p>So I waited for the weekend after the 9.10 release to install. I get a 3-day weekend, which should be enough for anybody to recover from a botched OS upgrade even with dumb partitioning (and mine should be fine). The upgrade went off in around an hour with no trouble. I was somewhat shocked that I had no problem with DKMS handling the nvidia driver install, although, as expected, I had to plug in a CAT5 for a couple of minutes to uninstall Network Manager and install wicd (which is just in my experience completely superior anyway).</p><p>I was stunned to realize after a couple of days that I still hadn't uninstalled PulseAudio. Several days on, and it's still running, and still behaving itself. I don't do any serious audio work on this machine as it's a laptop for programming and not an audio workstation so I can't speak to latency but for the first time in my experience it's actually performing as advertised. My wifi worked out of the box and so do all of my ASUS LEDs.</p><p>The desktop layout is solid, things look good, and to me the menu setup in Gnome makes a hell of a lot more sense than in recent Windows and Mac machines I've used (flameproof undies on--I admit I have more experience in Gnome than in Windows or Mac so take that for what it's worth).</p><p>Now, all that said (I sound pretty happy so far, yes?) I offer these caveats:</p><p>- The generic-pae kernel completely refuses to boot to the desktop. Haven't really looked into it yet since I only have (and only need at this point) 2GB RAM--but it was the default kernel so I rewrote menu.lst to make the non-pae kernel the default and am quite happy for the moment running 2.6.31-14-generic. I suspect it's simply a matter of properly setting up the nvidia driver to work with it but am waiting for the weekend to work on that.<br>- This upgrade would have sent my folks running. They would have no idea how to edit menu.lst, no clue to plug in the CAT5 and do 'apt-get remove network-manager; apt-get install wicd', and so on.<br>- For some reason, the 'disable touchpad' button no longer works--it worked out of the box on 9.04.</p><p>Overall, I would count myself as happy with the upgrade. If I had less experience running Linux (I've run several distros since about 1994 or so) I would likely be less happy. I just want a distro which gets me up and running with my tools and, where possible, my eye candy--and this worked perfectly for that. Aside from ditching Network Manager and swapping the default boot kernel, I have everything I want so far and the Compiz bling is turned up to 11 and working fine. I even (so far) have been able to skip the whole 'disable Pulse' step, since for a change it actually seems to be working.</p><p>So: Grandma-ready? No. But ready to be packaged and given to Grandma to use (without the root password)? Quite possibly.</p><p>Just some thoughts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , just another anecdote in the mix here , really.I ran the 9.10 RC in virtualbox for a little over a week before the release , and was pretty happy with it overall .
That still would n't have told me everything I needed to know , but I know from experience that I should expect problems with the nvidia and intel 4965 drivers , and I have always had to ditch PulseAudio ( which I have railed against including as default ) and I hate Network Manager .
For reference , this is on an ASUS G1S laptop with a retrofit Seagate Momentus 7400 hd running ext4 on all partitions.So I waited for the weekend after the 9.10 release to install .
I get a 3-day weekend , which should be enough for anybody to recover from a botched OS upgrade even with dumb partitioning ( and mine should be fine ) .
The upgrade went off in around an hour with no trouble .
I was somewhat shocked that I had no problem with DKMS handling the nvidia driver install , although , as expected , I had to plug in a CAT5 for a couple of minutes to uninstall Network Manager and install wicd ( which is just in my experience completely superior anyway ) .I was stunned to realize after a couple of days that I still had n't uninstalled PulseAudio .
Several days on , and it 's still running , and still behaving itself .
I do n't do any serious audio work on this machine as it 's a laptop for programming and not an audio workstation so I ca n't speak to latency but for the first time in my experience it 's actually performing as advertised .
My wifi worked out of the box and so do all of my ASUS LEDs.The desktop layout is solid , things look good , and to me the menu setup in Gnome makes a hell of a lot more sense than in recent Windows and Mac machines I 've used ( flameproof undies on--I admit I have more experience in Gnome than in Windows or Mac so take that for what it 's worth ) .Now , all that said ( I sound pretty happy so far , yes ?
) I offer these caveats : - The generic-pae kernel completely refuses to boot to the desktop .
Have n't really looked into it yet since I only have ( and only need at this point ) 2GB RAM--but it was the default kernel so I rewrote menu.lst to make the non-pae kernel the default and am quite happy for the moment running 2.6.31-14-generic .
I suspect it 's simply a matter of properly setting up the nvidia driver to work with it but am waiting for the weekend to work on that.- This upgrade would have sent my folks running .
They would have no idea how to edit menu.lst , no clue to plug in the CAT5 and do 'apt-get remove network-manager ; apt-get install wicd ' , and so on.- For some reason , the 'disable touchpad ' button no longer works--it worked out of the box on 9.04.Overall , I would count myself as happy with the upgrade .
If I had less experience running Linux ( I 've run several distros since about 1994 or so ) I would likely be less happy .
I just want a distro which gets me up and running with my tools and , where possible , my eye candy--and this worked perfectly for that .
Aside from ditching Network Manager and swapping the default boot kernel , I have everything I want so far and the Compiz bling is turned up to 11 and working fine .
I even ( so far ) have been able to skip the whole 'disable Pulse ' step , since for a change it actually seems to be working.So : Grandma-ready ?
No. But ready to be packaged and given to Grandma to use ( without the root password ) ?
Quite possibly.Just some thoughts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, just another anecdote in the mix here, really.I ran the 9.10 RC in virtualbox for a little over a week before the release, and was pretty happy with it overall.
That still wouldn't have told me everything I needed to know, but I know from experience that I should expect problems with the nvidia and intel 4965 drivers, and I have always had to ditch PulseAudio (which I have railed against including as default) and I hate Network Manager.
For reference, this is on an ASUS G1S laptop with a retrofit Seagate Momentus 7400 hd running ext4 on all partitions.So I waited for the weekend after the 9.10 release to install.
I get a 3-day weekend, which should be enough for anybody to recover from a botched OS upgrade even with dumb partitioning (and mine should be fine).
The upgrade went off in around an hour with no trouble.
I was somewhat shocked that I had no problem with DKMS handling the nvidia driver install, although, as expected, I had to plug in a CAT5 for a couple of minutes to uninstall Network Manager and install wicd (which is just in my experience completely superior anyway).I was stunned to realize after a couple of days that I still hadn't uninstalled PulseAudio.
Several days on, and it's still running, and still behaving itself.
I don't do any serious audio work on this machine as it's a laptop for programming and not an audio workstation so I can't speak to latency but for the first time in my experience it's actually performing as advertised.
My wifi worked out of the box and so do all of my ASUS LEDs.The desktop layout is solid, things look good, and to me the menu setup in Gnome makes a hell of a lot more sense than in recent Windows and Mac machines I've used (flameproof undies on--I admit I have more experience in Gnome than in Windows or Mac so take that for what it's worth).Now, all that said (I sound pretty happy so far, yes?
) I offer these caveats:- The generic-pae kernel completely refuses to boot to the desktop.
Haven't really looked into it yet since I only have (and only need at this point) 2GB RAM--but it was the default kernel so I rewrote menu.lst to make the non-pae kernel the default and am quite happy for the moment running 2.6.31-14-generic.
I suspect it's simply a matter of properly setting up the nvidia driver to work with it but am waiting for the weekend to work on that.- This upgrade would have sent my folks running.
They would have no idea how to edit menu.lst, no clue to plug in the CAT5 and do 'apt-get remove network-manager; apt-get install wicd', and so on.- For some reason, the 'disable touchpad' button no longer works--it worked out of the box on 9.04.Overall, I would count myself as happy with the upgrade.
If I had less experience running Linux (I've run several distros since about 1994 or so) I would likely be less happy.
I just want a distro which gets me up and running with my tools and, where possible, my eye candy--and this worked perfectly for that.
Aside from ditching Network Manager and swapping the default boot kernel, I have everything I want so far and the Compiz bling is turned up to 11 and working fine.
I even (so far) have been able to skip the whole 'disable Pulse' step, since for a change it actually seems to be working.So: Grandma-ready?
No. But ready to be packaged and given to Grandma to use (without the root password)?
Quite possibly.Just some thoughts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972668</id>
	<title>My Karma's Good</title>
	<author>SuperMetroid</author>
	<datestamp>1257262320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Karmic boots quite a bit faster than its predecessor. I upgraded and have had no real issues, aside from my computer not shutting down properly anymore (it hangs due to an I/O error, so you have to force it). I definitely wouldn't eschew it just for that though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Karmic boots quite a bit faster than its predecessor .
I upgraded and have had no real issues , aside from my computer not shutting down properly anymore ( it hangs due to an I/O error , so you have to force it ) .
I definitely would n't eschew it just for that though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Karmic boots quite a bit faster than its predecessor.
I upgraded and have had no real issues, aside from my computer not shutting down properly anymore (it hangs due to an I/O error, so you have to force it).
I definitely wouldn't eschew it just for that though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970370</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgrading was a very positive experience for me. I had only one problem: my audio was fuzzy and crackly. Turns out that was my own fault. But my Wacom Intuos4 works out of the box which is nice for a change. Having benchmarked my system, it performs much better than it did with Jaunty. Everything seems to work quite well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgrading was a very positive experience for me .
I had only one problem : my audio was fuzzy and crackly .
Turns out that was my own fault .
But my Wacom Intuos4 works out of the box which is nice for a change .
Having benchmarked my system , it performs much better than it did with Jaunty .
Everything seems to work quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgrading was a very positive experience for me.
I had only one problem: my audio was fuzzy and crackly.
Turns out that was my own fault.
But my Wacom Intuos4 works out of the box which is nice for a change.
Having benchmarked my system, it performs much better than it did with Jaunty.
Everything seems to work quite well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972956</id>
	<title>Re:There's a shocker...</title>
	<author>Killshot</author>
	<datestamp>1257264960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only problem I had is kernaloops giving me an error constantly that was really a non-error about ECC not being enabled on my bios..
But I think that was fixed today.

It does bother me that they really seem to push the 6 month cycle.
If they have a good stable release out, it's ok to take some extra time to make sure that the next release will be just as good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problem I had is kernaloops giving me an error constantly that was really a non-error about ECC not being enabled on my bios. . But I think that was fixed today .
It does bother me that they really seem to push the 6 month cycle .
If they have a good stable release out , it 's ok to take some extra time to make sure that the next release will be just as good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problem I had is kernaloops giving me an error constantly that was really a non-error about ECC not being enabled on my bios..
But I think that was fixed today.
It does bother me that they really seem to push the 6 month cycle.
If they have a good stable release out, it's ok to take some extra time to make sure that the next release will be just as good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971042</id>
	<title>Upgrade seems good here on an HP Pavilion...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything is working as good and in some cases better. For example the Intel HDA audio is working now without any custom module parameters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything is working as good and in some cases better .
For example the Intel HDA audio is working now without any custom module parameters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything is working as good and in some cases better.
For example the Intel HDA audio is working now without any custom module parameters.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972332</id>
	<title>Very fustrated</title>
	<author>zakeria</author>
	<datestamp>1257259920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>touchpad does not work on any of my three laptops and they are all different!! 9.4 worked great.. really pissed at this, also two wifi cards no longer work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>touchpad does not work on any of my three laptops and they are all different ! !
9.4 worked great.. really pissed at this , also two wifi cards no longer work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>touchpad does not work on any of my three laptops and they are all different!!
9.4 worked great.. really pissed at this, also two wifi cards no longer work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972380</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1257260280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have Ubuntu running on a VIA-C7 Nano-ITX board. First thing I noticed - desktop was way way faster feeling over VNC.</p><p>My issues:<br>-my VIA PCI 4-port SATA card detects as an nVidia RAID Array.<br>-Whatever kernel they are using has IO errors for my board's shitty PATA controller. DVD drive doesn't detect, although my PATA HDD seems okay. (I was booting off it, after all)<br>-xorg.conf was being ignored, so my VNC was limited to 800x600.</p><p>Back on 9.04 now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Ubuntu running on a VIA-C7 Nano-ITX board .
First thing I noticed - desktop was way way faster feeling over VNC.My issues : -my VIA PCI 4-port SATA card detects as an nVidia RAID Array.-Whatever kernel they are using has IO errors for my board 's shitty PATA controller .
DVD drive does n't detect , although my PATA HDD seems okay .
( I was booting off it , after all ) -xorg.conf was being ignored , so my VNC was limited to 800x600.Back on 9.04 now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Ubuntu running on a VIA-C7 Nano-ITX board.
First thing I noticed - desktop was way way faster feeling over VNC.My issues:-my VIA PCI 4-port SATA card detects as an nVidia RAID Array.-Whatever kernel they are using has IO errors for my board's shitty PATA controller.
DVD drive doesn't detect, although my PATA HDD seems okay.
(I was booting off it, after all)-xorg.conf was being ignored, so my VNC was limited to 800x600.Back on 9.04 now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970486</id>
	<title>Zero Problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not one issue on any of my computers.  I love it.  It has even fixed a wonky sound issue I was having on my laptop along with the unstable wifi.  It took me all day to upgrade my wife's machine to Windows 7, it took me all of 45 minutes to load Karmic, and I think I made lunch at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not one issue on any of my computers .
I love it .
It has even fixed a wonky sound issue I was having on my laptop along with the unstable wifi .
It took me all day to upgrade my wife 's machine to Windows 7 , it took me all of 45 minutes to load Karmic , and I think I made lunch at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not one issue on any of my computers.
I love it.
It has even fixed a wonky sound issue I was having on my laptop along with the unstable wifi.
It took me all day to upgrade my wife's machine to Windows 7, it took me all of 45 minutes to load Karmic, and I think I made lunch at the same time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what you call working flawlessly? When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command?</p><p>Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what you call working flawlessly ?
When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command ? Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you call working flawlessly?
When it kicks you into an emergency console in which you had to remount your hard disks manually in read-write mode and run the package reconfigure command?Clearly 2009 is not yet the year of Linux on the desktop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981786</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>Looce</author>
	<datestamp>1257015780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* As I don't have an encrypted hard drive, the encrypted hard drive problems didn't affect me.<br>* As I don't use full-screen applications, the flickering full-screen application problem doesn't affect me that much, though I couldn't use a full-screen Firefox for pseudo-kiosk mode when a family member wants to do some things with a web browser.<br>* Linux 2.6.32 hasn't posed many problems.</p><p>However, the bugs I'm affected by are mostly PulseAudio, Totem (media player) and CD-ROM related. PulseAudio skips and freezes in Audacity; Totem has a 1/200 or so chance of freezing at the start of a song (but then going one track forward then back to the previous one fixes it); DVDs won't eject if played in xine; CD-ROMs won't unmount if they're ejected via the hardware button, leaving the next one you insert inaccessible if you don't unmount the previous one yourself.</p><p>There were many more bugs in the alphas, obviously, but those are alphas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* As I do n't have an encrypted hard drive , the encrypted hard drive problems did n't affect me .
* As I do n't use full-screen applications , the flickering full-screen application problem does n't affect me that much , though I could n't use a full-screen Firefox for pseudo-kiosk mode when a family member wants to do some things with a web browser .
* Linux 2.6.32 has n't posed many problems.However , the bugs I 'm affected by are mostly PulseAudio , Totem ( media player ) and CD-ROM related .
PulseAudio skips and freezes in Audacity ; Totem has a 1/200 or so chance of freezing at the start of a song ( but then going one track forward then back to the previous one fixes it ) ; DVDs wo n't eject if played in xine ; CD-ROMs wo n't unmount if they 're ejected via the hardware button , leaving the next one you insert inaccessible if you do n't unmount the previous one yourself.There were many more bugs in the alphas , obviously , but those are alphas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* As I don't have an encrypted hard drive, the encrypted hard drive problems didn't affect me.
* As I don't use full-screen applications, the flickering full-screen application problem doesn't affect me that much, though I couldn't use a full-screen Firefox for pseudo-kiosk mode when a family member wants to do some things with a web browser.
* Linux 2.6.32 hasn't posed many problems.However, the bugs I'm affected by are mostly PulseAudio, Totem (media player) and CD-ROM related.
PulseAudio skips and freezes in Audacity; Totem has a 1/200 or so chance of freezing at the start of a song (but then going one track forward then back to the previous one fixes it); DVDs won't eject if played in xine; CD-ROMs won't unmount if they're ejected via the hardware button, leaving the next one you insert inaccessible if you don't unmount the previous one yourself.There were many more bugs in the alphas, obviously, but those are alphas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970604</id>
	<title>Re:Only Use LTS</title>
	<author>vigour</author>
	<datestamp>1257251160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...6 months releasing cycles are a joke. Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.</p></div><p>Then use Debian.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...6 months releasing cycles are a joke .
Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.Then use Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...6 months releasing cycles are a joke.
Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.Then use Debian.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969806</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971454</id>
	<title>Re:Why did they adopt early?</title>
	<author>the\_one(2)</author>
	<datestamp>1257254580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release?</p></div><p>New intel drivers! Need that flash!<br>No problems here with karmic btw. I did an upgrade from 9.04-&gt;9.10 beta-&gt;release on my desktop and a new install on my laptop. I thought the new theme was awful though and changed it quickly to "New Wave" (customized to remove the steppers on scrollbars:) hate those things).<br>Boot feels pretty fast. Didn't try encryption.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release ? New intel drivers !
Need that flash ! No problems here with karmic btw .
I did an upgrade from 9.04- &gt; 9.10 beta- &gt; release on my desktop and a new install on my laptop .
I thought the new theme was awful though and changed it quickly to " New Wave " ( customized to remove the steppers on scrollbars : ) hate those things ) .Boot feels pretty fast .
Did n't try encryption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What features do these early adopters badly need that is made available through this fresh release?New intel drivers!
Need that flash!No problems here with karmic btw.
I did an upgrade from 9.04-&gt;9.10 beta-&gt;release on my desktop and a new install on my laptop.
I thought the new theme was awful though and changed it quickly to "New Wave" (customized to remove the steppers on scrollbars:) hate those things).Boot feels pretty fast.
Didn't try encryption.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970158</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970308</id>
	<title>PulseAudio is EVIL to me. I disable it and my volu</title>
	<author>WolphFang</author>
	<datestamp>1257250140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PulseAudio is EVIL to me.

Static, sputters, dropouts. I have intel hda audio. Has never worked with pulseaudio. Works great without pulseaudio.

I disable it to use only ALSA and my volume control now disappears? Eh?</htmltext>
<tokenext>PulseAudio is EVIL to me .
Static , sputters , dropouts .
I have intel hda audio .
Has never worked with pulseaudio .
Works great without pulseaudio .
I disable it to use only ALSA and my volume control now disappears ?
Eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PulseAudio is EVIL to me.
Static, sputters, dropouts.
I have intel hda audio.
Has never worked with pulseaudio.
Works great without pulseaudio.
I disable it to use only ALSA and my volume control now disappears?
Eh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971546</id>
	<title>Another stingee</title>
	<author>quixote9</author>
	<datestamp>1257255000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>64-bit Karmic is just plain unhealthy on my Fujitsu Lifebook laptop, nvidia graphics.  Suspend doesn't work, hibernate doesn't work, system freezes to the point where nothing works but a hard reset.  Luckily, I was testing the move on a sandbox machine, so I'm not terribly stung, but it's still a disappointment.  <br> <br>

Funny thing is, I've been running 32-bit Karmic since early alphas in virtualization, and had no unexpected problems.  I have the RC on there now, it's rock steady, looks gorgeous, and everything runs fine. <br> <br>

Maybe the ubuntu devs were doing all their testing on virtual machines??</htmltext>
<tokenext>64-bit Karmic is just plain unhealthy on my Fujitsu Lifebook laptop , nvidia graphics .
Suspend does n't work , hibernate does n't work , system freezes to the point where nothing works but a hard reset .
Luckily , I was testing the move on a sandbox machine , so I 'm not terribly stung , but it 's still a disappointment .
Funny thing is , I 've been running 32-bit Karmic since early alphas in virtualization , and had no unexpected problems .
I have the RC on there now , it 's rock steady , looks gorgeous , and everything runs fine .
Maybe the ubuntu devs were doing all their testing on virtual machines ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>64-bit Karmic is just plain unhealthy on my Fujitsu Lifebook laptop, nvidia graphics.
Suspend doesn't work, hibernate doesn't work, system freezes to the point where nothing works but a hard reset.
Luckily, I was testing the move on a sandbox machine, so I'm not terribly stung, but it's still a disappointment.
Funny thing is, I've been running 32-bit Karmic since early alphas in virtualization, and had no unexpected problems.
I have the RC on there now, it's rock steady, looks gorgeous, and everything runs fine.
Maybe the ubuntu devs were doing all their testing on virtual machines?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971398</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>sternn64</author>
	<datestamp>1257254220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My upgrade was fine, aside from the fact that the installer found that I'd killed PulseAudio with a lead pipe and stuffed it into the fridge with "chmod -x<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/bin/pulseaudio; chattr +i<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/bin/pulseaudio". It threw a fit about a couple broken packages as a result.  PulseAudio screws up my audio horribly on both my work box (Optiplex 755) and my home box (custom AM3 system).  Killing it deader than dead made sound work perfectly (and kept it from reviving on package upgrades).</p><p>Unfortunately, 9.10 is dependent on PulseAudio to the point that you can't adjust the volume in Gnome without it.  I switched to KDE, and I was happy.</p><p>To be safe, I decided to do a new install on my netbook, as the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 resulted in a nasty gconf bug that took me a month to track down (leftover 8.10 gconf breaks 9.04).  They did finally fix the annoying rt2860 WPA bug. It was a recurring issue on my Eee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My upgrade was fine , aside from the fact that the installer found that I 'd killed PulseAudio with a lead pipe and stuffed it into the fridge with " chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio ; chattr + i /usr/bin/pulseaudio " .
It threw a fit about a couple broken packages as a result .
PulseAudio screws up my audio horribly on both my work box ( Optiplex 755 ) and my home box ( custom AM3 system ) .
Killing it deader than dead made sound work perfectly ( and kept it from reviving on package upgrades ) .Unfortunately , 9.10 is dependent on PulseAudio to the point that you ca n't adjust the volume in Gnome without it .
I switched to KDE , and I was happy.To be safe , I decided to do a new install on my netbook , as the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 resulted in a nasty gconf bug that took me a month to track down ( leftover 8.10 gconf breaks 9.04 ) .
They did finally fix the annoying rt2860 WPA bug .
It was a recurring issue on my Eee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My upgrade was fine, aside from the fact that the installer found that I'd killed PulseAudio with a lead pipe and stuffed it into the fridge with "chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio; chattr +i /usr/bin/pulseaudio".
It threw a fit about a couple broken packages as a result.
PulseAudio screws up my audio horribly on both my work box (Optiplex 755) and my home box (custom AM3 system).
Killing it deader than dead made sound work perfectly (and kept it from reviving on package upgrades).Unfortunately, 9.10 is dependent on PulseAudio to the point that you can't adjust the volume in Gnome without it.
I switched to KDE, and I was happy.To be safe, I decided to do a new install on my netbook, as the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 resulted in a nasty gconf bug that took me a month to track down (leftover 8.10 gconf breaks 9.04).
They did finally fix the annoying rt2860 WPA bug.
It was a recurring issue on my Eee.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975018</id>
	<title>wlan stopped working</title>
	<author>paai</author>
	<datestamp>1256980020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on two desktop machines, a laptop and a netbook.</p><p>* On the laptop, the wlan (rt61-based) stopped working. After searching the bug database and Google, this appeared a known issue, but the laptop is unuseable for work untill I buy myself an USB dongle. I really was upset about this.</p><p>* On one dektop several graphic features of the KDE destop stopped working, such as the revolving cube.</p><p>* There are unresolved issues with the fonts of thunderbird. This seems to be related to the use of KDE over an NX connection.</p><p>There are some bugs that I hoped/expected to be solved after the upgrade, but still are not working satisfactorily:</p><p>* syncing Evolution with a Palm Treo is not yet without problems, like the duplication of entries and having to reconfigure bluetooth after every sync.</p><p>* kpilot still a mess, Actually I consider it a total loss that cannot be salvaged any more.</p><p>* scrolling of firefox  still too slow. This is a problem over a NX connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on two desktop machines , a laptop and a netbook .
* On the laptop , the wlan ( rt61-based ) stopped working .
After searching the bug database and Google , this appeared a known issue , but the laptop is unuseable for work untill I buy myself an USB dongle .
I really was upset about this .
* On one dektop several graphic features of the KDE destop stopped working , such as the revolving cube .
* There are unresolved issues with the fonts of thunderbird .
This seems to be related to the use of KDE over an NX connection.There are some bugs that I hoped/expected to be solved after the upgrade , but still are not working satisfactorily : * syncing Evolution with a Palm Treo is not yet without problems , like the duplication of entries and having to reconfigure bluetooth after every sync .
* kpilot still a mess , Actually I consider it a total loss that can not be salvaged any more .
* scrolling of firefox still too slow .
This is a problem over a NX connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on two desktop machines, a laptop and a netbook.
* On the laptop, the wlan (rt61-based) stopped working.
After searching the bug database and Google, this appeared a known issue, but the laptop is unuseable for work untill I buy myself an USB dongle.
I really was upset about this.
* On one dektop several graphic features of the KDE destop stopped working, such as the revolving cube.
* There are unresolved issues with the fonts of thunderbird.
This seems to be related to the use of KDE over an NX connection.There are some bugs that I hoped/expected to be solved after the upgrade, but still are not working satisfactorily:* syncing Evolution with a Palm Treo is not yet without problems, like the duplication of entries and having to reconfigure bluetooth after every sync.
* kpilot still a mess, Actually I consider it a total loss that cannot be salvaged any more.
* scrolling of firefox  still too slow.
This is a problem over a NX connection.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977318</id>
	<title>Mf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded the other day:<br>1. Internet connection broken (mobile broadband dongles are not supported by Karmic due to a kernel bug - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305931)<br>2. Sound not working<br>3. Boot time amazingly long</p><p>Been bitten had by this one. I'll wait a few months before trying to upgrade next time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded the other day : 1 .
Internet connection broken ( mobile broadband dongles are not supported by Karmic due to a kernel bug - http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 1305931 ) 2 .
Sound not working3 .
Boot time amazingly longBeen bitten had by this one .
I 'll wait a few months before trying to upgrade next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded the other day:1.
Internet connection broken (mobile broadband dongles are not supported by Karmic due to a kernel bug - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305931)2.
Sound not working3.
Boot time amazingly longBeen bitten had by this one.
I'll wait a few months before trying to upgrade next time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970044</id>
	<title>Kubuntu variant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run the 64-bit Kubuntu variant. My conclusions over the past few days:</p><p>1. Roughly 90\% of the bugs and inconveniences in Kubuntu jaunty are unchanged.</p><p>2. Something like 10\% of the Kubuntu jaunty problems have been fixed, to be replaced essentially one-for-one by new problems.</p><p>I have not seen any of the specific problems mentioned in the summary. It did take several reboots following the upgrade before the system became stable (don't ask me to explain that, because I can't).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run the 64-bit Kubuntu variant .
My conclusions over the past few days : 1 .
Roughly 90 \ % of the bugs and inconveniences in Kubuntu jaunty are unchanged.2 .
Something like 10 \ % of the Kubuntu jaunty problems have been fixed , to be replaced essentially one-for-one by new problems.I have not seen any of the specific problems mentioned in the summary .
It did take several reboots following the upgrade before the system became stable ( do n't ask me to explain that , because I ca n't ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run the 64-bit Kubuntu variant.
My conclusions over the past few days:1.
Roughly 90\% of the bugs and inconveniences in Kubuntu jaunty are unchanged.2.
Something like 10\% of the Kubuntu jaunty problems have been fixed, to be replaced essentially one-for-one by new problems.I have not seen any of the specific problems mentioned in the summary.
It did take several reboots following the upgrade before the system became stable (don't ask me to explain that, because I can't).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970248</id>
	<title>Re:Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better!</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1257249900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.</p></div><p>Have you tried xubuntu? By default it's pretty ugly but it's easy enough to get rid of a taskbar and arrange things nicely.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.Have you tried xubuntu ?
By default it 's pretty ugly but it 's easy enough to get rid of a taskbar and arrange things nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.Have you tried xubuntu?
By default it's pretty ugly but it's easy enough to get rid of a taskbar and arrange things nicely.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969920</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970296</id>
	<title>The usual...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm having the usual ups and downs I have when a new release rolls along.  There are usually a couple weeks of bugfixing and adjusting to any substantial changes.  A case in point: The new indicator applet confuses me and I've been having issues getting it to do what I want.  Evolution now crashes when I add a task (but a fix has been committed) and now my speakers don't turn off when I plug in my headphones.  Ok, but looking over the bugs I've commented on; the last time there was a dist upgrade I had trouble getting my graphics back online, my microphone stopped working entirely because of pulseaudio and a change in the way the usb modules were built into the kernel meant that suspend stopped working.  Here's the deal though:  half the reason I use the latest versions of this operating system is to explore new features and find new bugs.  Ubuntu, and linux in general, doesn't have legions of paid testers working out bugs.  Ubuntu, and linux in general, isn't free. The cost is that you do your part and report bugs, help other users in the forums, and generally be a part of the community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm having the usual ups and downs I have when a new release rolls along .
There are usually a couple weeks of bugfixing and adjusting to any substantial changes .
A case in point : The new indicator applet confuses me and I 've been having issues getting it to do what I want .
Evolution now crashes when I add a task ( but a fix has been committed ) and now my speakers do n't turn off when I plug in my headphones .
Ok , but looking over the bugs I 've commented on ; the last time there was a dist upgrade I had trouble getting my graphics back online , my microphone stopped working entirely because of pulseaudio and a change in the way the usb modules were built into the kernel meant that suspend stopped working .
Here 's the deal though : half the reason I use the latest versions of this operating system is to explore new features and find new bugs .
Ubuntu , and linux in general , does n't have legions of paid testers working out bugs .
Ubuntu , and linux in general , is n't free .
The cost is that you do your part and report bugs , help other users in the forums , and generally be a part of the community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm having the usual ups and downs I have when a new release rolls along.
There are usually a couple weeks of bugfixing and adjusting to any substantial changes.
A case in point: The new indicator applet confuses me and I've been having issues getting it to do what I want.
Evolution now crashes when I add a task (but a fix has been committed) and now my speakers don't turn off when I plug in my headphones.
Ok, but looking over the bugs I've commented on; the last time there was a dist upgrade I had trouble getting my graphics back online, my microphone stopped working entirely because of pulseaudio and a change in the way the usb modules were built into the kernel meant that suspend stopped working.
Here's the deal though:  half the reason I use the latest versions of this operating system is to explore new features and find new bugs.
Ubuntu, and linux in general, doesn't have legions of paid testers working out bugs.
Ubuntu, and linux in general, isn't free.
The cost is that you do your part and report bugs, help other users in the forums, and generally be a part of the community.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975354</id>
	<title>My girlfriend did it all on her own...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when I came home from work she was just rebooting. I smiled at her and kept my fingers crossed. Everything went well. Siemens Lifebook with Intel graphics. No upgrade trouble whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when I came home from work she was just rebooting .
I smiled at her and kept my fingers crossed .
Everything went well .
Siemens Lifebook with Intel graphics .
No upgrade trouble whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when I came home from work she was just rebooting.
I smiled at her and kept my fingers crossed.
Everything went well.
Siemens Lifebook with Intel graphics.
No upgrade trouble whatsoever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29984736</id>
	<title>Re:I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>geschild</author>
	<datestamp>1256981160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I seem to have the exact same trouble with a KK 64-bit upgrade from JJ, on a dell Latitude E6500. I'm guessing all the Intel changes in the new kernel and the use of advanced features in that kernel by Karmic might have something to do with it. My desktop machine, on the other hand, is fine. Exact same upgrade but AMD/Nvidia hardware.</p><p>Another two useless data-points<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I seem to have the exact same trouble with a KK 64-bit upgrade from JJ , on a dell Latitude E6500 .
I 'm guessing all the Intel changes in the new kernel and the use of advanced features in that kernel by Karmic might have something to do with it .
My desktop machine , on the other hand , is fine .
Exact same upgrade but AMD/Nvidia hardware.Another two useless data-points : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I seem to have the exact same trouble with a KK 64-bit upgrade from JJ, on a dell Latitude E6500.
I'm guessing all the Intel changes in the new kernel and the use of advanced features in that kernel by Karmic might have something to do with it.
My desktop machine, on the other hand, is fine.
Exact same upgrade but AMD/Nvidia hardware.Another two useless data-points :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969890</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971380</id>
	<title>Karmic Koala is Great!  No Problems Here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running it since the morning it was released - and haven't had any problems.</p><p>So far I have it installed on a new Dell E6500 (8Gb RAM, Centrino Duo, 64bit) and an HP dv9000 (4Gb RAM, AMD64x2, 64bit) - and have had no problems whatsoever.</p><p>I had 9.04 installed on both before, but did a clean install because I had heard that there were some problems upgrading the GRUB loader to the new version, and since the e6500 also dual-boots Vista I thought I'd play on the safe side.</p><p>On neither laptop did I choose to encrypt my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home/ directory.</p><p>What I've noticed since installing Koala:</p><p><b>Pros</b> </p><ul> <li>Faster boot time (about 50\% faster)</li><li>Improved performance (power-on to google-in-firefox in 30 seconds).</li><li>Gnome feels more responsive.  I don't know why.  I have all of the effects turned on (jiggly windows - YAY!) and it's great.</li><li>perl 5.10 and Firefox 3.5</li></ul><p><b>Cons</b> </p><ul> <li>I still have no idea how to make my microphone work with Skype.</li><li>The number of screensavers installed by default appears to have decreased considerably.</li></ul><p>By now everyone should know (especially here) that new versions of <b>ANY</b> OS are going to have some issues.  At least with projects like Ubuntu you can download and try it out all you want <i>anytime</i> for <b>free</b>.</p><p>Or maybe you forgot - it's a <b>community</b> effort - not a free ride, and not some kind of digital daycamp.  Get off your lazy ass and submit some bugs - don't just log onto slashdot and bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running it since the morning it was released - and have n't had any problems.So far I have it installed on a new Dell E6500 ( 8Gb RAM , Centrino Duo , 64bit ) and an HP dv9000 ( 4Gb RAM , AMD64x2 , 64bit ) - and have had no problems whatsoever.I had 9.04 installed on both before , but did a clean install because I had heard that there were some problems upgrading the GRUB loader to the new version , and since the e6500 also dual-boots Vista I thought I 'd play on the safe side.On neither laptop did I choose to encrypt my /home/ directory.What I 've noticed since installing Koala : Pros Faster boot time ( about 50 \ % faster ) Improved performance ( power-on to google-in-firefox in 30 seconds ) .Gnome feels more responsive .
I do n't know why .
I have all of the effects turned on ( jiggly windows - YAY !
) and it 's great.perl 5.10 and Firefox 3.5Cons I still have no idea how to make my microphone work with Skype.The number of screensavers installed by default appears to have decreased considerably.By now everyone should know ( especially here ) that new versions of ANY OS are going to have some issues .
At least with projects like Ubuntu you can download and try it out all you want anytime for free.Or maybe you forgot - it 's a community effort - not a free ride , and not some kind of digital daycamp .
Get off your lazy ass and submit some bugs - do n't just log onto slashdot and bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running it since the morning it was released - and haven't had any problems.So far I have it installed on a new Dell E6500 (8Gb RAM, Centrino Duo, 64bit) and an HP dv9000 (4Gb RAM, AMD64x2, 64bit) - and have had no problems whatsoever.I had 9.04 installed on both before, but did a clean install because I had heard that there were some problems upgrading the GRUB loader to the new version, and since the e6500 also dual-boots Vista I thought I'd play on the safe side.On neither laptop did I choose to encrypt my /home/ directory.What I've noticed since installing Koala:Pros  Faster boot time (about 50\% faster)Improved performance (power-on to google-in-firefox in 30 seconds).Gnome feels more responsive.
I don't know why.
I have all of the effects turned on (jiggly windows - YAY!
) and it's great.perl 5.10 and Firefox 3.5Cons  I still have no idea how to make my microphone work with Skype.The number of screensavers installed by default appears to have decreased considerably.By now everyone should know (especially here) that new versions of ANY OS are going to have some issues.
At least with projects like Ubuntu you can download and try it out all you want anytime for free.Or maybe you forgot - it's a community effort - not a free ride, and not some kind of digital daycamp.
Get off your lazy ass and submit some bugs - don't just log onto slashdot and bitch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969586</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just upgraded from Jaunty, and it's been great for me.  The only major differences I've noticed so far are the updated boot screen (which is beautiful) and the Ubuntu Software Center; I have no doubt, though, that there are plenty of under-the-hood improvements I'm not noticing, especially since I'm an upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just upgraded from Jaunty , and it 's been great for me .
The only major differences I 've noticed so far are the updated boot screen ( which is beautiful ) and the Ubuntu Software Center ; I have no doubt , though , that there are plenty of under-the-hood improvements I 'm not noticing , especially since I 'm an upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just upgraded from Jaunty, and it's been great for me.
The only major differences I've noticed so far are the updated boot screen (which is beautiful) and the Ubuntu Software Center; I have no doubt, though, that there are plenty of under-the-hood improvements I'm not noticing, especially since I'm an upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970996</id>
	<title>The problem...</title>
	<author>Abalamahalamatandra</author>
	<datestamp>1257252540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is less the distro and more the messaging.  My work machine runs Ubuntu with a Windows VM, but it's running Hardy and it will stay that way until Lucid comes out and has been confirmed stable by checking Ubuntu Forums for posts on the specific model.  Works like a charm.</p><p>Now, on my personal laptop (Dell XPS M1330), it got reloaded this weekend with no issues whatsoever and everything worked perfectly, with one small exception - Gnome MPlayer causes flickering in fullscreen mode when the seek bar animates away.  A single Google search resulting in a single gconf setting fixed that.  I don't think that's too much to ask for a "bleeding edge" release.  Disregarding the fact that I opted to move 500G of encrypted data off and back on so I could move to EXT4, it would have taken about 2 hours to get a total reload back to the same state as previous.</p><p>What needs to happen is messaging that Karmic is new and shiny, but is not an LTS release, so people who can't handle some problems should stay away.  If Lucid comes out and has problems like this, I'll change my tune.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is less the distro and more the messaging .
My work machine runs Ubuntu with a Windows VM , but it 's running Hardy and it will stay that way until Lucid comes out and has been confirmed stable by checking Ubuntu Forums for posts on the specific model .
Works like a charm.Now , on my personal laptop ( Dell XPS M1330 ) , it got reloaded this weekend with no issues whatsoever and everything worked perfectly , with one small exception - Gnome MPlayer causes flickering in fullscreen mode when the seek bar animates away .
A single Google search resulting in a single gconf setting fixed that .
I do n't think that 's too much to ask for a " bleeding edge " release .
Disregarding the fact that I opted to move 500G of encrypted data off and back on so I could move to EXT4 , it would have taken about 2 hours to get a total reload back to the same state as previous.What needs to happen is messaging that Karmic is new and shiny , but is not an LTS release , so people who ca n't handle some problems should stay away .
If Lucid comes out and has problems like this , I 'll change my tune .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is less the distro and more the messaging.
My work machine runs Ubuntu with a Windows VM, but it's running Hardy and it will stay that way until Lucid comes out and has been confirmed stable by checking Ubuntu Forums for posts on the specific model.
Works like a charm.Now, on my personal laptop (Dell XPS M1330), it got reloaded this weekend with no issues whatsoever and everything worked perfectly, with one small exception - Gnome MPlayer causes flickering in fullscreen mode when the seek bar animates away.
A single Google search resulting in a single gconf setting fixed that.
I don't think that's too much to ask for a "bleeding edge" release.
Disregarding the fact that I opted to move 500G of encrypted data off and back on so I could move to EXT4, it would have taken about 2 hours to get a total reload back to the same state as previous.What needs to happen is messaging that Karmic is new and shiny, but is not an LTS release, so people who can't handle some problems should stay away.
If Lucid comes out and has problems like this, I'll change my tune.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970918</id>
	<title>My upgrade didn't go smoothly either</title>
	<author>Macka</author>
	<datestamp>1257252300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First thing I noticed was it didn't like the way I'd set up menu.lst.  I have two disks mirrored with MD raid so I have 4 OS definitions per kernel - two for each disk (one multiuser, one single user).   I don't trust Ubuntu to just update or replace, as it always wants to use root="UUID number" which is a pain in the ass if you ever restore from backup as that always changes with a new filesystem, so I just stick with - in my case - root=/dev/md2.  I tried the experimental option to merge the old and new files - which didn't work, so I had to let it carry on with the upgrade while fixing it up in the background.</p><p>Next thing I hit was more of a problem.  It balked doing a post install configure on eBox.  The process went zombie and the upgrade just froze.   I had to kill the parent python process to get dpkg to carry on with the rest of it, but discovered that at the end of the install and configure phase, dpkg had remembered the return errno from killing that child process and it decided to act on that by aborting the upgrade at that point - before the clean up phase.  So the system is in an indeterminate state.</p><p>I rebooted, and it came up ok, but I then found I had three problems:</p><ul><li>Compiz was broken again.  It broke when I went from 8.10 to 9.04 and I had to downgrade the xserver, etc to get it working.  I'm pretty sure the Intel chipset problems are fixed, it's just a configuration somewhere.  Haven't had time to look for it.</li><li>About half the desktop menu items don't have icons for them any more</li><li>Default system sound is set to 100\% so if I have the speakers turned on when I login they can hear it at the end of the street.   Adjusting the slider makes no difference.</li></ul><p>I ran out of time to play around with it so had to leave it like that.  I think when I eventually get home again I'll just install from scratch and restore what I need to from backup.  I can't really complain - after all it's not as if I've paid anything for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First thing I noticed was it did n't like the way I 'd set up menu.lst .
I have two disks mirrored with MD raid so I have 4 OS definitions per kernel - two for each disk ( one multiuser , one single user ) .
I do n't trust Ubuntu to just update or replace , as it always wants to use root = " UUID number " which is a pain in the ass if you ever restore from backup as that always changes with a new filesystem , so I just stick with - in my case - root = /dev/md2 .
I tried the experimental option to merge the old and new files - which did n't work , so I had to let it carry on with the upgrade while fixing it up in the background.Next thing I hit was more of a problem .
It balked doing a post install configure on eBox .
The process went zombie and the upgrade just froze .
I had to kill the parent python process to get dpkg to carry on with the rest of it , but discovered that at the end of the install and configure phase , dpkg had remembered the return errno from killing that child process and it decided to act on that by aborting the upgrade at that point - before the clean up phase .
So the system is in an indeterminate state.I rebooted , and it came up ok , but I then found I had three problems : Compiz was broken again .
It broke when I went from 8.10 to 9.04 and I had to downgrade the xserver , etc to get it working .
I 'm pretty sure the Intel chipset problems are fixed , it 's just a configuration somewhere .
Have n't had time to look for it.About half the desktop menu items do n't have icons for them any moreDefault system sound is set to 100 \ % so if I have the speakers turned on when I login they can hear it at the end of the street .
Adjusting the slider makes no difference.I ran out of time to play around with it so had to leave it like that .
I think when I eventually get home again I 'll just install from scratch and restore what I need to from backup .
I ca n't really complain - after all it 's not as if I 've paid anything for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First thing I noticed was it didn't like the way I'd set up menu.lst.
I have two disks mirrored with MD raid so I have 4 OS definitions per kernel - two for each disk (one multiuser, one single user).
I don't trust Ubuntu to just update or replace, as it always wants to use root="UUID number" which is a pain in the ass if you ever restore from backup as that always changes with a new filesystem, so I just stick with - in my case - root=/dev/md2.
I tried the experimental option to merge the old and new files - which didn't work, so I had to let it carry on with the upgrade while fixing it up in the background.Next thing I hit was more of a problem.
It balked doing a post install configure on eBox.
The process went zombie and the upgrade just froze.
I had to kill the parent python process to get dpkg to carry on with the rest of it, but discovered that at the end of the install and configure phase, dpkg had remembered the return errno from killing that child process and it decided to act on that by aborting the upgrade at that point - before the clean up phase.
So the system is in an indeterminate state.I rebooted, and it came up ok, but I then found I had three problems:Compiz was broken again.
It broke when I went from 8.10 to 9.04 and I had to downgrade the xserver, etc to get it working.
I'm pretty sure the Intel chipset problems are fixed, it's just a configuration somewhere.
Haven't had time to look for it.About half the desktop menu items don't have icons for them any moreDefault system sound is set to 100\% so if I have the speakers turned on when I login they can hear it at the end of the street.
Adjusting the slider makes no difference.I ran out of time to play around with it so had to leave it like that.
I think when I eventually get home again I'll just install from scratch and restore what I need to from backup.
I can't really complain - after all it's not as if I've paid anything for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971912</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Rick17JJ</author>
	<datestamp>1257257040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did a clean install of Kunbuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala and it seems to be working good. I kept my old copy of Debian 5.0, which uses KDE 3.5, on another partition, so I would have the option of going back to that, if necessary. I put Kubuntu 9.10 on another new partition on the same hard disk.<br><br>My computer is a several year old AMD 64. I used the alternate install version of the 64-bit version of Kubuntu. I also chose the option of doing my partitioning manually.<br><br>The only minor issue that I ran into, relates to the fact that my computer has two different Ethernet ports. When booting up, it is varies each time, as to which one is eth0 and which is eth1. That unpredictability creates a problem for my Firestarter firewall, because it expects me to be consistently connecting to the Internet through through the same port each time. I plan to solve that problem by removing the extra unneeded Ethernet card.<br><br>I am very pleased that Kubuntu is now once again possible to have separate wallpaper for each virtual terminal.  I have an attractive girl in shorts as my background in one, an outer space scene in another, an outdoor scene in another, and a world map in another.  The ability to do that had existed in KDE 3.5, but was lost with KDE 4.0, but is now possible once again.  Re-enabling that capability is easy, but could hardly be less obvious.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a clean install of Kunbuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala and it seems to be working good .
I kept my old copy of Debian 5.0 , which uses KDE 3.5 , on another partition , so I would have the option of going back to that , if necessary .
I put Kubuntu 9.10 on another new partition on the same hard disk.My computer is a several year old AMD 64 .
I used the alternate install version of the 64-bit version of Kubuntu .
I also chose the option of doing my partitioning manually.The only minor issue that I ran into , relates to the fact that my computer has two different Ethernet ports .
When booting up , it is varies each time , as to which one is eth0 and which is eth1 .
That unpredictability creates a problem for my Firestarter firewall , because it expects me to be consistently connecting to the Internet through through the same port each time .
I plan to solve that problem by removing the extra unneeded Ethernet card.I am very pleased that Kubuntu is now once again possible to have separate wallpaper for each virtual terminal .
I have an attractive girl in shorts as my background in one , an outer space scene in another , an outdoor scene in another , and a world map in another .
The ability to do that had existed in KDE 3.5 , but was lost with KDE 4.0 , but is now possible once again .
Re-enabling that capability is easy , but could hardly be less obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a clean install of Kunbuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala and it seems to be working good.
I kept my old copy of Debian 5.0, which uses KDE 3.5, on another partition, so I would have the option of going back to that, if necessary.
I put Kubuntu 9.10 on another new partition on the same hard disk.My computer is a several year old AMD 64.
I used the alternate install version of the 64-bit version of Kubuntu.
I also chose the option of doing my partitioning manually.The only minor issue that I ran into, relates to the fact that my computer has two different Ethernet ports.
When booting up, it is varies each time, as to which one is eth0 and which is eth1.
That unpredictability creates a problem for my Firestarter firewall, because it expects me to be consistently connecting to the Internet through through the same port each time.
I plan to solve that problem by removing the extra unneeded Ethernet card.I am very pleased that Kubuntu is now once again possible to have separate wallpaper for each virtual terminal.
I have an attractive girl in shorts as my background in one, an outer space scene in another, an outdoor scene in another, and a world map in another.
The ability to do that had existed in KDE 3.5, but was lost with KDE 4.0, but is now possible once again.
Re-enabling that capability is easy, but could hardly be less obvious.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972642</id>
	<title>Ubiquity Crashed During Install</title>
	<author>ilovepi</author>
	<datestamp>1257262140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nearing the end of the install on my laptop ubiquity crashed, this happened on each of three attempts. There had already been a bug filed on the beta and someone had found that apt-get removing ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu before running the install off the live CD solved that problem. Since that the only issues I've had have simply been me messing with the wrong files, these are easily fixed. All in all it's a pretty sleek operating system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nearing the end of the install on my laptop ubiquity crashed , this happened on each of three attempts .
There had already been a bug filed on the beta and someone had found that apt-get removing ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu before running the install off the live CD solved that problem .
Since that the only issues I 've had have simply been me messing with the wrong files , these are easily fixed .
All in all it 's a pretty sleek operating system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nearing the end of the install on my laptop ubiquity crashed, this happened on each of three attempts.
There had already been a bug filed on the beta and someone had found that apt-get removing ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu before running the install off the live CD solved that problem.
Since that the only issues I've had have simply been me messing with the wrong files, these are easily fixed.
All in all it's a pretty sleek operating system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970372</id>
	<title>Some Early Adopters Stung By Ubuntu's Karmic Koala</title>
	<author>fizzer06</author>
	<datestamp>1257250320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not having any problems with it. I upgraded from 9.4</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not having any problems with it .
I upgraded from 9.4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not having any problems with it.
I upgraded from 9.4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971316</id>
	<title>Win some, lose some</title>
	<author>ChameleonDave</author>
	<datestamp>1257253920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Karmic Koala fixed a few bugs for me.  It has, however, stopped me installing Firefox extensions.  I'm going to the Ubuntu Forums now to fix that.

</p><p>It's probably my fault, because at the same time as upgrading, I also moved all my configuration files around and encrypted my whole drive.  This makes it hard to tell whether any given problem is due to the upgrade or to my messing around.  I'm also using the 64-bit edition, which could add compatibility issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Karmic Koala fixed a few bugs for me .
It has , however , stopped me installing Firefox extensions .
I 'm going to the Ubuntu Forums now to fix that .
It 's probably my fault , because at the same time as upgrading , I also moved all my configuration files around and encrypted my whole drive .
This makes it hard to tell whether any given problem is due to the upgrade or to my messing around .
I 'm also using the 64-bit edition , which could add compatibility issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Karmic Koala fixed a few bugs for me.
It has, however, stopped me installing Firefox extensions.
I'm going to the Ubuntu Forums now to fix that.
It's probably my fault, because at the same time as upgrading, I also moved all my configuration files around and encrypted my whole drive.
This makes it hard to tell whether any given problem is due to the upgrade or to my messing around.
I'm also using the 64-bit edition, which could add compatibility issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973782</id>
	<title>It's delicious Intel (you must eat it)</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1257271380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video problems seem to be related to i915 driver -- they are fixed by adding "i915.modeset=0" to the kernel command line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video problems seem to be related to i915 driver -- they are fixed by adding " i915.modeset = 0 " to the kernel command line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video problems seem to be related to i915 driver -- they are fixed by adding "i915.modeset=0" to the kernel command line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976468</id>
	<title>early adopters "bitten" by 9.10???</title>
	<author>lduvall</author>
	<datestamp>1256994600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the first time in a long time I had a bit of difficulty in installing Ubuntu - my wireless and network cards were not recognized on the first two attempts. I recall reading that 9.10 was supposed to boot faster, but so far I haven't seen it. I like the opening screen (but don't like having a default log-in user identified (need to find and change that setting). Some of the sound-related settings have changed, so I had to rely on google to figure out how to turn off some obnoxious bits. Otherwise, no major complaints.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the first time in a long time I had a bit of difficulty in installing Ubuntu - my wireless and network cards were not recognized on the first two attempts .
I recall reading that 9.10 was supposed to boot faster , but so far I have n't seen it .
I like the opening screen ( but do n't like having a default log-in user identified ( need to find and change that setting ) .
Some of the sound-related settings have changed , so I had to rely on google to figure out how to turn off some obnoxious bits .
Otherwise , no major complaints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the first time in a long time I had a bit of difficulty in installing Ubuntu - my wireless and network cards were not recognized on the first two attempts.
I recall reading that 9.10 was supposed to boot faster, but so far I haven't seen it.
I like the opening screen (but don't like having a default log-in user identified (need to find and change that setting).
Some of the sound-related settings have changed, so I had to rely on google to figure out how to turn off some obnoxious bits.
Otherwise, no major complaints.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971538</id>
	<title>not much to see here, move along.</title>
	<author>davygrvy</author>
	<datestamp>1257255000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>9.10 with Nvidia 190.42 works great.  Took a bit of work at first to get right moving from 180 as things kinda became a mess.  Had to add my users to the video group manually and fix the start-up script.  frames are up to 12K from 5K with glxgears.  pulseaudio was a problem as the SDL lib for it was not installed.  I had to get rid of the old ALSA one and put in the pulse one along with adding my users to the pulse-audio group.</p><p>That's about it..  all minor issues to me except for the usual learning curve which is a bit steep to find and resolve these things, but it's the price we pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>9.10 with Nvidia 190.42 works great .
Took a bit of work at first to get right moving from 180 as things kinda became a mess .
Had to add my users to the video group manually and fix the start-up script .
frames are up to 12K from 5K with glxgears .
pulseaudio was a problem as the SDL lib for it was not installed .
I had to get rid of the old ALSA one and put in the pulse one along with adding my users to the pulse-audio group.That 's about it.. all minor issues to me except for the usual learning curve which is a bit steep to find and resolve these things , but it 's the price we pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>9.10 with Nvidia 190.42 works great.
Took a bit of work at first to get right moving from 180 as things kinda became a mess.
Had to add my users to the video group manually and fix the start-up script.
frames are up to 12K from 5K with glxgears.
pulseaudio was a problem as the SDL lib for it was not installed.
I had to get rid of the old ALSA one and put in the pulse one along with adding my users to the pulse-audio group.That's about it..  all minor issues to me except for the usual learning curve which is a bit steep to find and resolve these things, but it's the price we pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969990</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257249120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two boot screens look sparse and cold to me. I wondered if Mark Shuttleworth was paying people back for the complaints about his "human" color scheme. The GDM window looks ugly to me. I definitely want the old one back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two boot screens look sparse and cold to me .
I wondered if Mark Shuttleworth was paying people back for the complaints about his " human " color scheme .
The GDM window looks ugly to me .
I definitely want the old one back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two boot screens look sparse and cold to me.
I wondered if Mark Shuttleworth was paying people back for the complaints about his "human" color scheme.
The GDM window looks ugly to me.
I definitely want the old one back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969586</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972216</id>
	<title>My Koalas are Performing Well</title>
	<author>randomsearch</author>
	<datestamp>1257259080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Karmic since release on my laptop and desktop.  Both work wonderfully - all hardware works perfectly (compare this to Windows 7 on my laptop: no audio, no accelerated graphics and no wireless).  Only gripe so far is that I had to download proprietary stuff for my desktop wireless card, but I have to do that for each release and at least this time it was a painless experience (but did require using a shell).</p><p>The biggest thing of note is how much more responsive everything is.  I don't know what changes have been made to the kernel, but the scheduling seems exactly right.  The things I'm doing take precedence, as do those applications that need regularly CPU time, such as CD reading and audio.</p><p>Talking of which, the audio is completely fixed from my pov.  Previously, I've had problems with stuttering under load, which was been blamed on poor configuration of Pulse Audio, but this seems to be eliminated now.  The new audio settings app works great for me too, nicely sorting out my two sound cards, giving them sensible defaults and removing the clutter.</p><p>Boot time is much faster, as is shutting down.  My laptop suspends correctly.  All in all, I have no complaints.  The O/S seems so polished now that I'm beginning to find myself criticising the applications more.  It seems that Canonical are going to have to get involved at an individual application level if they are to take things further, as the desktop is looking great and prior to GNOME 3 I can't see how it can majorly improve.</p><p>Kudos to the Canonical team, I actually found 9.04 a bit disappointing, but they have clearly responded to feedback on Pulse etc. and delivered something great.</p><p>As other people have pointed out anecdotal evidence is quite meaningless, but from my experience at least criticism of this release compared to the previous just look like FUD.</p><p>RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Karmic since release on my laptop and desktop .
Both work wonderfully - all hardware works perfectly ( compare this to Windows 7 on my laptop : no audio , no accelerated graphics and no wireless ) .
Only gripe so far is that I had to download proprietary stuff for my desktop wireless card , but I have to do that for each release and at least this time it was a painless experience ( but did require using a shell ) .The biggest thing of note is how much more responsive everything is .
I do n't know what changes have been made to the kernel , but the scheduling seems exactly right .
The things I 'm doing take precedence , as do those applications that need regularly CPU time , such as CD reading and audio.Talking of which , the audio is completely fixed from my pov .
Previously , I 've had problems with stuttering under load , which was been blamed on poor configuration of Pulse Audio , but this seems to be eliminated now .
The new audio settings app works great for me too , nicely sorting out my two sound cards , giving them sensible defaults and removing the clutter.Boot time is much faster , as is shutting down .
My laptop suspends correctly .
All in all , I have no complaints .
The O/S seems so polished now that I 'm beginning to find myself criticising the applications more .
It seems that Canonical are going to have to get involved at an individual application level if they are to take things further , as the desktop is looking great and prior to GNOME 3 I ca n't see how it can majorly improve.Kudos to the Canonical team , I actually found 9.04 a bit disappointing , but they have clearly responded to feedback on Pulse etc .
and delivered something great.As other people have pointed out anecdotal evidence is quite meaningless , but from my experience at least criticism of this release compared to the previous just look like FUD.RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Karmic since release on my laptop and desktop.
Both work wonderfully - all hardware works perfectly (compare this to Windows 7 on my laptop: no audio, no accelerated graphics and no wireless).
Only gripe so far is that I had to download proprietary stuff for my desktop wireless card, but I have to do that for each release and at least this time it was a painless experience (but did require using a shell).The biggest thing of note is how much more responsive everything is.
I don't know what changes have been made to the kernel, but the scheduling seems exactly right.
The things I'm doing take precedence, as do those applications that need regularly CPU time, such as CD reading and audio.Talking of which, the audio is completely fixed from my pov.
Previously, I've had problems with stuttering under load, which was been blamed on poor configuration of Pulse Audio, but this seems to be eliminated now.
The new audio settings app works great for me too, nicely sorting out my two sound cards, giving them sensible defaults and removing the clutter.Boot time is much faster, as is shutting down.
My laptop suspends correctly.
All in all, I have no complaints.
The O/S seems so polished now that I'm beginning to find myself criticising the applications more.
It seems that Canonical are going to have to get involved at an individual application level if they are to take things further, as the desktop is looking great and prior to GNOME 3 I can't see how it can majorly improve.Kudos to the Canonical team, I actually found 9.04 a bit disappointing, but they have clearly responded to feedback on Pulse etc.
and delivered something great.As other people have pointed out anecdotal evidence is quite meaningless, but from my experience at least criticism of this release compared to the previous just look like FUD.RS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974946</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX. This is NOT news. When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break. I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves. To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:</p><p>1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle? The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.</p><p>2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway? If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.</p><p>To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years. Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.</p></div><p>I installed and tested alpha 1, alpha 2, alpha 3, alpha 4, alpha 5 and alpha 6, then beta and the rc.  I turned in 60 trouble reports.  I still have a problem with a flickering screen anytime I use full screen video.  I cannot use advanced graphics or the taskbar disappears on everything.</p><p>You strike me as being just a bit arrogant in your position.  If a number of us are still reporting problems who the hell are you to tell us we are all stupid?  The thing is broken and they are having trouble fixing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* sigh * We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX .
This is NOT news .
When you 're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications , things are bound to break .
I 'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything , but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves .
To everyone who claims they were " stung " by this update , I have two questions : 1 ) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle ?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release , it 's a trivial matter to burn a copy , stick it in your machine , and give it a test run.2 ) If stability is important to you ( and I assume it is by the use of the word " stung " ) , why did you upgrade anyway ?
If I 'm not mistaken , Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example , I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years .
Out of those , NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu , even Karmic.I installed and tested alpha 1 , alpha 2 , alpha 3 , alpha 4 , alpha 5 and alpha 6 , then beta and the rc .
I turned in 60 trouble reports .
I still have a problem with a flickering screen anytime I use full screen video .
I can not use advanced graphics or the taskbar disappears on everything.You strike me as being just a bit arrogant in your position .
If a number of us are still reporting problems who the hell are you to tell us we are all stupid ?
The thing is broken and they are having trouble fixing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX.
This is NOT news.
When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break.
I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves.
To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway?
If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years.
Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.I installed and tested alpha 1, alpha 2, alpha 3, alpha 4, alpha 5 and alpha 6, then beta and the rc.
I turned in 60 trouble reports.
I still have a problem with a flickering screen anytime I use full screen video.
I cannot use advanced graphics or the taskbar disappears on everything.You strike me as being just a bit arrogant in your position.
If a number of us are still reporting problems who the hell are you to tell us we are all stupid?
The thing is broken and they are having trouble fixing it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969934</id>
	<title>Why do I do it?!</title>
	<author>PottedMeat</author>
	<datestamp>1257249000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do I upgrade?  That's the question that I've asked myself for at least the last four versions.  I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again.
<br> <br>
A year and a half for my mic to work, USB drives that transfer at absolutely crawling speeds (solving in Koala for the first time ever tho!), disk to disk transfer at an absolute crawl (seems much better in Koala), flickering screens, disappearing mouse cursors (happens every time on bootup in Koala - a simple CR in any terminal window brings it back), and a host of little this and that's.
<br> <br>
The worst issue though by a mile has been sound.  There is always a problem with sound.  Without exception.  I almost had my sound working perfectly in Jaunty but now something is glitched in Pulseaudio or Firefox or Alsa or something cuz padsp now won't wrap around Firefox.
<br> <br>
Ya know, I bought an original sound blaster for a 286 in '89-90 and it blows my mind that something like sound can be such a problem 20 years later.  Everyone really needs to get on the same page.
<br> <br>
Anyway, despite the problems I continue to use Ubuntu.  It still seems the best for my needs out of all the distros that I've tried.  And I'd certainly still be wasting far more time in Windows dealing with the anti-virus and mal-ware nightmares that are found there.
<br> <br>
I'll keep using Ubuntu.  And although I'll probably keep asking myself why I upgrade I'll still do it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)
<br> <br>
PM</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I upgrade ?
That 's the question that I 've asked myself for at least the last four versions .
I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again .
A year and a half for my mic to work , USB drives that transfer at absolutely crawling speeds ( solving in Koala for the first time ever tho !
) , disk to disk transfer at an absolute crawl ( seems much better in Koala ) , flickering screens , disappearing mouse cursors ( happens every time on bootup in Koala - a simple CR in any terminal window brings it back ) , and a host of little this and that 's .
The worst issue though by a mile has been sound .
There is always a problem with sound .
Without exception .
I almost had my sound working perfectly in Jaunty but now something is glitched in Pulseaudio or Firefox or Alsa or something cuz padsp now wo n't wrap around Firefox .
Ya know , I bought an original sound blaster for a 286 in '89-90 and it blows my mind that something like sound can be such a problem 20 years later .
Everyone really needs to get on the same page .
Anyway , despite the problems I continue to use Ubuntu .
It still seems the best for my needs out of all the distros that I 've tried .
And I 'd certainly still be wasting far more time in Windows dealing with the anti-virus and mal-ware nightmares that are found there .
I 'll keep using Ubuntu .
And although I 'll probably keep asking myself why I upgrade I 'll still do it .
; ) PM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I upgrade?
That's the question that I've asked myself for at least the last four versions.
I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again.
A year and a half for my mic to work, USB drives that transfer at absolutely crawling speeds (solving in Koala for the first time ever tho!
), disk to disk transfer at an absolute crawl (seems much better in Koala), flickering screens, disappearing mouse cursors (happens every time on bootup in Koala - a simple CR in any terminal window brings it back), and a host of little this and that's.
The worst issue though by a mile has been sound.
There is always a problem with sound.
Without exception.
I almost had my sound working perfectly in Jaunty but now something is glitched in Pulseaudio or Firefox or Alsa or something cuz padsp now won't wrap around Firefox.
Ya know, I bought an original sound blaster for a 286 in '89-90 and it blows my mind that something like sound can be such a problem 20 years later.
Everyone really needs to get on the same page.
Anyway, despite the problems I continue to use Ubuntu.
It still seems the best for my needs out of all the distros that I've tried.
And I'd certainly still be wasting far more time in Windows dealing with the anti-virus and mal-ware nightmares that are found there.
I'll keep using Ubuntu.
And although I'll probably keep asking myself why I upgrade I'll still do it.
;)
 
PM</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976582</id>
	<title>Upgrade issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>i was using 9.04 on my acer travelmate 2310. After the upgrade my wifi was not detected. I tried to use the windows drivers n still it did not work. Searched for it a lot. Basicaly tried every trick in the hat. Finally a fresh install solved the problem....</htmltext>
<tokenext>i was using 9.04 on my acer travelmate 2310 .
After the upgrade my wifi was not detected .
I tried to use the windows drivers n still it did not work .
Searched for it a lot .
Basicaly tried every trick in the hat .
Finally a fresh install solved the problem... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i was using 9.04 on my acer travelmate 2310.
After the upgrade my wifi was not detected.
I tried to use the windows drivers n still it did not work.
Searched for it a lot.
Basicaly tried every trick in the hat.
Finally a fresh install solved the problem....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29986272</id>
	<title>Vector Linux</title>
	<author>cavaughan</author>
	<datestamp>1256985600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember a long time ago having to use Vector Linux on old pc's. Although I don't have the issue any more, Vector Linux still exists and I would assume as before it is specifically geared for machines with low resources.

www.vectorlinux.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember a long time ago having to use Vector Linux on old pc 's .
Although I do n't have the issue any more , Vector Linux still exists and I would assume as before it is specifically geared for machines with low resources .
www.vectorlinux.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember a long time ago having to use Vector Linux on old pc's.
Although I don't have the issue any more, Vector Linux still exists and I would assume as before it is specifically geared for machines with low resources.
www.vectorlinux.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971658</id>
	<title>No problems with my Karmic Xubuntu here</title>
	<author>loudmax</author>
	<datestamp>1257255660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded to Xubuntu 9.10 the day after it was released and I haven't had any problems with it.  Admittedly, this machine isn't doing all that much.  It's for my kids and they mainly use it to browse the web or play Battle for Wesnoth.  The wireless and Flash and everything works fine though.  If there were any problems, they'd have told me about it.  I don't know if running Xfce instead of Gnome should make this machine more or less likely to have problems, but it's been a smooth upgrade for me.</p><p>As far as comparing the release of Karmic Koala to Windows 7, there are some pretty huge factors that need to be taken into perspective.  First of all, Ubuntu is developing at a significantly faster pace, which pretty much means that you should expect more problems.  If you want an Ubuntu machine to "just work" you should be sticking to the LTS version which comes out every two years.  Vista came out three years ago, so the Windows release cycle is slower than even Ubuntu's LTS cycle.</p><p>And look, I really have different expectations from a company with nearly $60 billion in revenue and 93 thousand employees and universal unconditional support from all PC hardware vendors than I do from a company with $30 million and 200 employees.  And considering the role that proprietary protocols and vendor lock-in plays in MS's near monopoly, I also have different sympathies.  So is this making excuses for Canonical?  Yeah, could be, but IMHO it's a pretty reasonable excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to Xubuntu 9.10 the day after it was released and I have n't had any problems with it .
Admittedly , this machine is n't doing all that much .
It 's for my kids and they mainly use it to browse the web or play Battle for Wesnoth .
The wireless and Flash and everything works fine though .
If there were any problems , they 'd have told me about it .
I do n't know if running Xfce instead of Gnome should make this machine more or less likely to have problems , but it 's been a smooth upgrade for me.As far as comparing the release of Karmic Koala to Windows 7 , there are some pretty huge factors that need to be taken into perspective .
First of all , Ubuntu is developing at a significantly faster pace , which pretty much means that you should expect more problems .
If you want an Ubuntu machine to " just work " you should be sticking to the LTS version which comes out every two years .
Vista came out three years ago , so the Windows release cycle is slower than even Ubuntu 's LTS cycle.And look , I really have different expectations from a company with nearly $ 60 billion in revenue and 93 thousand employees and universal unconditional support from all PC hardware vendors than I do from a company with $ 30 million and 200 employees .
And considering the role that proprietary protocols and vendor lock-in plays in MS 's near monopoly , I also have different sympathies .
So is this making excuses for Canonical ?
Yeah , could be , but IMHO it 's a pretty reasonable excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to Xubuntu 9.10 the day after it was released and I haven't had any problems with it.
Admittedly, this machine isn't doing all that much.
It's for my kids and they mainly use it to browse the web or play Battle for Wesnoth.
The wireless and Flash and everything works fine though.
If there were any problems, they'd have told me about it.
I don't know if running Xfce instead of Gnome should make this machine more or less likely to have problems, but it's been a smooth upgrade for me.As far as comparing the release of Karmic Koala to Windows 7, there are some pretty huge factors that need to be taken into perspective.
First of all, Ubuntu is developing at a significantly faster pace, which pretty much means that you should expect more problems.
If you want an Ubuntu machine to "just work" you should be sticking to the LTS version which comes out every two years.
Vista came out three years ago, so the Windows release cycle is slower than even Ubuntu's LTS cycle.And look, I really have different expectations from a company with nearly $60 billion in revenue and 93 thousand employees and universal unconditional support from all PC hardware vendors than I do from a company with $30 million and 200 employees.
And considering the role that proprietary protocols and vendor lock-in plays in MS's near monopoly, I also have different sympathies.
So is this making excuses for Canonical?
Yeah, could be, but IMHO it's a pretty reasonable excuse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29982900</id>
	<title>Dell Latitude D620 - np</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My migration to karmic was smooth - almost boring. Ubuntu just works great on my Dell Latitude D620.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My migration to karmic was smooth - almost boring .
Ubuntu just works great on my Dell Latitude D620 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My migration to karmic was smooth - almost boring.
Ubuntu just works great on my Dell Latitude D620.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971996</id>
	<title>RE: Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257257580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fresh install of 9.10 UNR on an eeePC 1000HD</p><p>Smooth install, encryption and all. Wireless working flawlessly even when sleeping. Fixed 9.04 sound issues (finally!). All in all, i'm very happy i made the move. The sleek UI is the cherry to top it off!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fresh install of 9.10 UNR on an eeePC 1000HDSmooth install , encryption and all .
Wireless working flawlessly even when sleeping .
Fixed 9.04 sound issues ( finally ! ) .
All in all , i 'm very happy i made the move .
The sleek UI is the cherry to top it off !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fresh install of 9.10 UNR on an eeePC 1000HDSmooth install, encryption and all.
Wireless working flawlessly even when sleeping.
Fixed 9.04 sound issues (finally!).
All in all, i'm very happy i made the move.
The sleek UI is the cherry to top it off!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973482</id>
	<title>Lost Display</title>
	<author>sirdude</author>
	<datestamp>1257269640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Upgraded to karmic from jaunty and lost my display.. nobody has been able to help me find it. Come the weekend, I'm just going to install Fedora 12 and be done with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded to karmic from jaunty and lost my display.. nobody has been able to help me find it .
Come the weekend , I 'm just going to install Fedora 12 and be done with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded to karmic from jaunty and lost my display.. nobody has been able to help me find it.
Come the weekend, I'm just going to install Fedora 12 and be done with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969752</id>
	<title>There's a shocker...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1257248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Canonical has made no secret of the fact that deadlines are more important to them than milestones. They shoot (ostensibly) for "usability", not stability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canonical has made no secret of the fact that deadlines are more important to them than milestones .
They shoot ( ostensibly ) for " usability " , not stability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canonical has made no secret of the fact that deadlines are more important to them than milestones.
They shoot (ostensibly) for "usability", not stability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975904</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>thatblackguy</author>
	<datestamp>1256988540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Y'know what this kind of bitching, hey download and test the beta builds, contribute to debugging; is fine for the technically inclined out there but you release it to the general public they won't even know what the hell you're talking about.
Btw, why are there so many regressions anyway? Wifi worked in 8.04, I didn't expect to *break* in a clean install of 8.10 among numerous other issues.
If you can really say "well expect things to break that already work, tough shit" you're a tool of unimaginable magnitude.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Y'know what this kind of bitching , hey download and test the beta builds , contribute to debugging ; is fine for the technically inclined out there but you release it to the general public they wo n't even know what the hell you 're talking about .
Btw , why are there so many regressions anyway ?
Wifi worked in 8.04 , I did n't expect to * break * in a clean install of 8.10 among numerous other issues .
If you can really say " well expect things to break that already work , tough shit " you 're a tool of unimaginable magnitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Y'know what this kind of bitching, hey download and test the beta builds, contribute to debugging; is fine for the technically inclined out there but you release it to the general public they won't even know what the hell you're talking about.
Btw, why are there so many regressions anyway?
Wifi worked in 8.04, I didn't expect to *break* in a clean install of 8.10 among numerous other issues.
If you can really say "well expect things to break that already work, tough shit" you're a tool of unimaginable magnitude.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973080</id>
	<title>Beta issues</title>
	<author>SpitfireSMS</author>
	<datestamp>1257265980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded to Karmic 2 days before its release, just thinking "oh, itll update itself find when the actual release comes out"<br>The beta was FULL of issues for me.<br>I use the same<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home partition, and it wouldnt let me have access to it, so X wouldnt start.<br>Someone without any linux experience(not than Im any expert) would be stuck, but i was able to chown my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home/user folder and get X running.<br>Then my drivers wouldnt work. No nvidia driver would install, absolutely NOTHING would install through apt-get, it kept telling me another instance was running/installing something else.<br>Nothing would work on startup, no matter how many times I put it into the startup applications or ticked/unticked the "start at login" box.<br>I was also getting some pretty severe sounding kernel crashes(though nothing ever became unstable or crashed)</p><p>I did a reinstall as soon as the non-beta version came out, and it resolved everything except for getting Gnome-do to run at startup.<br>All my other startup apps work fine, why not gnome-do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to Karmic 2 days before its release , just thinking " oh , itll update itself find when the actual release comes out " The beta was FULL of issues for me.I use the same /home partition , and it wouldnt let me have access to it , so X wouldnt start.Someone without any linux experience ( not than Im any expert ) would be stuck , but i was able to chown my /home/user folder and get X running.Then my drivers wouldnt work .
No nvidia driver would install , absolutely NOTHING would install through apt-get , it kept telling me another instance was running/installing something else.Nothing would work on startup , no matter how many times I put it into the startup applications or ticked/unticked the " start at login " box.I was also getting some pretty severe sounding kernel crashes ( though nothing ever became unstable or crashed ) I did a reinstall as soon as the non-beta version came out , and it resolved everything except for getting Gnome-do to run at startup.All my other startup apps work fine , why not gnome-do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to Karmic 2 days before its release, just thinking "oh, itll update itself find when the actual release comes out"The beta was FULL of issues for me.I use the same /home partition, and it wouldnt let me have access to it, so X wouldnt start.Someone without any linux experience(not than Im any expert) would be stuck, but i was able to chown my /home/user folder and get X running.Then my drivers wouldnt work.
No nvidia driver would install, absolutely NOTHING would install through apt-get, it kept telling me another instance was running/installing something else.Nothing would work on startup, no matter how many times I put it into the startup applications or ticked/unticked the "start at login" box.I was also getting some pretty severe sounding kernel crashes(though nothing ever became unstable or crashed)I did a reinstall as soon as the non-beta version came out, and it resolved everything except for getting Gnome-do to run at startup.All my other startup apps work fine, why not gnome-do?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977084</id>
	<title>Not the worst upgrade I've ever done ....</title>
	<author>bcaz</author>
	<datestamp>1256999640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my HP nc8430 from 9.04 to 9.10 on Monday and had a few problems.  In the first day after the upgrade I had some stability issues, also the GRUB menu defaulted to an older kernel (2.6.28-14) so had to upgrade to GRUB2 to boot from the 2.6.30 kernel, which worked great.  Touchpad wouldn't respond after that so I had to update the psmouse.modprobe file.  ATI driver disabled my desktop effects and I couldn't fix it until I updated to GRUB2.  Finally, pulseaudio had some issues, but nothing cleaning out the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pulse directory couldn't fix.  Oddly enough, I'm seeing a slowdown in boot time compared to Jaunty, but I fully admit that's just a subjective opinion.</p><p>I don't really think that Karmic was ready for public release since while pieces of it are polished, these kind of issues would turn a new Ubuntu user off for one of those platforms that *shudder* <i>just works</i>.  As has been previously stated, I think Canonical rushed it out the door to be available close to the Win7 release date.</p><p>That all being said, the upgrade still went smoother than reinstalling XP, Windows 2000, Vista, Windows98, Windows95, Windows 3.1<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my HP nc8430 from 9.04 to 9.10 on Monday and had a few problems .
In the first day after the upgrade I had some stability issues , also the GRUB menu defaulted to an older kernel ( 2.6.28-14 ) so had to upgrade to GRUB2 to boot from the 2.6.30 kernel , which worked great .
Touchpad would n't respond after that so I had to update the psmouse.modprobe file .
ATI driver disabled my desktop effects and I could n't fix it until I updated to GRUB2 .
Finally , pulseaudio had some issues , but nothing cleaning out the .pulse directory could n't fix .
Oddly enough , I 'm seeing a slowdown in boot time compared to Jaunty , but I fully admit that 's just a subjective opinion.I do n't really think that Karmic was ready for public release since while pieces of it are polished , these kind of issues would turn a new Ubuntu user off for one of those platforms that * shudder * just works .
As has been previously stated , I think Canonical rushed it out the door to be available close to the Win7 release date.That all being said , the upgrade still went smoother than reinstalling XP , Windows 2000 , Vista , Windows98 , Windows95 , Windows 3.1 ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my HP nc8430 from 9.04 to 9.10 on Monday and had a few problems.
In the first day after the upgrade I had some stability issues, also the GRUB menu defaulted to an older kernel (2.6.28-14) so had to upgrade to GRUB2 to boot from the 2.6.30 kernel, which worked great.
Touchpad wouldn't respond after that so I had to update the psmouse.modprobe file.
ATI driver disabled my desktop effects and I couldn't fix it until I updated to GRUB2.
Finally, pulseaudio had some issues, but nothing cleaning out the .pulse directory couldn't fix.
Oddly enough, I'm seeing a slowdown in boot time compared to Jaunty, but I fully admit that's just a subjective opinion.I don't really think that Karmic was ready for public release since while pieces of it are polished, these kind of issues would turn a new Ubuntu user off for one of those platforms that *shudder* just works.
As has been previously stated, I think Canonical rushed it out the door to be available close to the Win7 release date.That all being said, the upgrade still went smoother than reinstalling XP, Windows 2000, Vista, Windows98, Windows95, Windows 3.1 ....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970494</id>
	<title>Easy Peasy here</title>
	<author>Bald-Headed Geek</author>
	<datestamp>1257250800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's been very smooth for me.  Home PC and work PC updated without any problem whatsoever.  Still need to update the netbook, perhaps will do that tonight.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been very smooth for me .
Home PC and work PC updated without any problem whatsoever .
Still need to update the netbook , perhaps will do that tonight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been very smooth for me.
Home PC and work PC updated without any problem whatsoever.
Still need to update the netbook, perhaps will do that tonight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970222</id>
	<title>Windows sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why we use Linux and don't have to deal with these kinds of problems... oh wait.</p><p>I had a problem with my video card driver.  I had to manually edit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a line which was not obvious.  I've never had this problem on Ubuntu before even using the same video card.  Software servers were very slow also but I guess that is expected the first week or so and I was too lazy to set mirror servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why we use Linux and do n't have to deal with these kinds of problems... oh wait.I had a problem with my video card driver .
I had to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a line which was not obvious .
I 've never had this problem on Ubuntu before even using the same video card .
Software servers were very slow also but I guess that is expected the first week or so and I was too lazy to set mirror servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why we use Linux and don't have to deal with these kinds of problems... oh wait.I had a problem with my video card driver.
I had to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a line which was not obvious.
I've never had this problem on Ubuntu before even using the same video card.
Software servers were very slow also but I guess that is expected the first week or so and I was too lazy to set mirror servers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977020</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I do it?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why do I upgrade? That's the question that I've asked myself for at least the last four versions. I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again. </i></p><p>Probably pointing out the bleedin' obvious, but it sounds like you need to get onto the 10.4 Long Term Support version when it comes out, get it working and stick with it for 3 years or until you get rid of this hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I upgrade ?
That 's the question that I 've asked myself for at least the last four versions .
I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again .
Probably pointing out the bleedin ' obvious , but it sounds like you need to get onto the 10.4 Long Term Support version when it comes out , get it working and stick with it for 3 years or until you get rid of this hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I upgrade?
That's the question that I've asked myself for at least the last four versions.
I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again.
Probably pointing out the bleedin' obvious, but it sounds like you need to get onto the 10.4 Long Term Support version when it comes out, get it working and stick with it for 3 years or until you get rid of this hardware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969934</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972488</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257260940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't had any of those problems yet. Although, I have seen my laptop screen's brightness suddenly drop while I was typing, only to happen again a few hours after I reset it to where it was.</p><p>Currently there is a notification sitting on my screen, saying that the xserver running on this machine is screwed up, pointing to a random <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/" title="gnome.org" rel="nofollow">blog entry</a> [gnome.org].</p><p>I've also run into <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/458883" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">another problem</a> [launchpad.net] with some of the GUI admin tools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had any of those problems yet .
Although , I have seen my laptop screen 's brightness suddenly drop while I was typing , only to happen again a few hours after I reset it to where it was.Currently there is a notification sitting on my screen , saying that the xserver running on this machine is screwed up , pointing to a random blog entry [ gnome.org ] .I 've also run into another problem [ launchpad.net ] with some of the GUI admin tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had any of those problems yet.
Although, I have seen my laptop screen's brightness suddenly drop while I was typing, only to happen again a few hours after I reset it to where it was.Currently there is a notification sitting on my screen, saying that the xserver running on this machine is screwed up, pointing to a random blog entry [gnome.org].I've also run into another problem [launchpad.net] with some of the GUI admin tools.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29982520</id>
	<title>kubuntu 9.10 upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, from my own personal experience the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 only had on problem. I had to start the upgrade from the shell, because it failed to start through the kpackagekit gui. Apart from that, all went smoothly!</p><p>Everything works, from openoffice to the desktop effects to the sound card... everything i've tested to far works properly with no bugs! Hasn't crashed once yet! Can i say kubuntu 9.10 FTW?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , from my own personal experience the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 only had on problem .
I had to start the upgrade from the shell , because it failed to start through the kpackagekit gui .
Apart from that , all went smoothly ! Everything works , from openoffice to the desktop effects to the sound card... everything i 've tested to far works properly with no bugs !
Has n't crashed once yet !
Can i say kubuntu 9.10 FTW ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, from my own personal experience the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 only had on problem.
I had to start the upgrade from the shell, because it failed to start through the kpackagekit gui.
Apart from that, all went smoothly!Everything works, from openoffice to the desktop effects to the sound card... everything i've tested to far works properly with no bugs!
Hasn't crashed once yet!
Can i say kubuntu 9.10 FTW?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970314</id>
	<title>RAID drivers will not load</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tonight I'm going to try the previous distro, but I have had no luck getting 9.10 to boot.</p><p>Interesting note: I was able to boot to the installation live CD, install on my 3TB RAID5 array (nvidia controller) and it seemed to run just fine.</p><p>Then I rebooted, and it has not been able to boot from the hard drive, saying that it's missing some nvidia driver, which is ironic since it was able to see the array and format it (and I assume copy files to it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tonight I 'm going to try the previous distro , but I have had no luck getting 9.10 to boot.Interesting note : I was able to boot to the installation live CD , install on my 3TB RAID5 array ( nvidia controller ) and it seemed to run just fine.Then I rebooted , and it has not been able to boot from the hard drive , saying that it 's missing some nvidia driver , which is ironic since it was able to see the array and format it ( and I assume copy files to it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tonight I'm going to try the previous distro, but I have had no luck getting 9.10 to boot.Interesting note: I was able to boot to the installation live CD, install on my 3TB RAID5 array (nvidia controller) and it seemed to run just fine.Then I rebooted, and it has not been able to boot from the hard drive, saying that it's missing some nvidia driver, which is ironic since it was able to see the array and format it (and I assume copy files to it).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972726</id>
	<title>Anon E. Moose</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257262860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305924</p><p>There's the official sticky feedback vote. It's pretty much right across the board on votes. Which is understandable. As ubuntu releases live on the BLEEDING EDGE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding\_edge Not cutting edge but rather bleeding edge. Then the OP says early adopters. So beta testers living with bugs???? Say it aint so.</p><p>Personally my 1 netbook had highly customize grub2 setup so when i upgraded from jaunty that got busted up. I otherwise have had all positive experiences. The death by papercuts has fixed many little bugs I never had the interest in fixing. Very nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 1305924There 's the official sticky feedback vote .
It 's pretty much right across the board on votes .
Which is understandable .
As ubuntu releases live on the BLEEDING EDGE .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding \ _edge Not cutting edge but rather bleeding edge .
Then the OP says early adopters .
So beta testers living with bugs ? ? ? ?
Say it aint so.Personally my 1 netbook had highly customize grub2 setup so when i upgraded from jaunty that got busted up .
I otherwise have had all positive experiences .
The death by papercuts has fixed many little bugs I never had the interest in fixing .
Very nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305924There's the official sticky feedback vote.
It's pretty much right across the board on votes.
Which is understandable.
As ubuntu releases live on the BLEEDING EDGE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding\_edge Not cutting edge but rather bleeding edge.
Then the OP says early adopters.
So beta testers living with bugs????
Say it aint so.Personally my 1 netbook had highly customize grub2 setup so when i upgraded from jaunty that got busted up.
I otherwise have had all positive experiences.
The death by papercuts has fixed many little bugs I never had the interest in fixing.
Very nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969786</id>
	<title>Talking about stability...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...works like a charm since alpha 5!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...works like a charm since alpha 5 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...works like a charm since alpha 5!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973294</id>
	<title>Re:openSUSE 11.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeBSD 8.0 any week now. But it'll work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeBSD 8.0 any week now .
But it 'll work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeBSD 8.0 any week now.
But it'll work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969926</id>
	<title>re upgrade to Karmic</title>
	<author>freddieb</author>
	<datestamp>1257248940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded an existing install the day of the release. It took a while but that's to be expected. Everything worked great. I would like
to see the old gdm configuration editor but no biggie.

I then did a clean install on a new driver. It was even smoother. The gdm screen looked better as I had Xbuntu and Kde all on the other
system and that seemed to confuse the gdm setup.

As I recall. This whining always happens after a new release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded an existing install the day of the release .
It took a while but that 's to be expected .
Everything worked great .
I would like to see the old gdm configuration editor but no biggie .
I then did a clean install on a new driver .
It was even smoother .
The gdm screen looked better as I had Xbuntu and Kde all on the other system and that seemed to confuse the gdm setup .
As I recall .
This whining always happens after a new release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded an existing install the day of the release.
It took a while but that's to be expected.
Everything worked great.
I would like
to see the old gdm configuration editor but no biggie.
I then did a clean install on a new driver.
It was even smoother.
The gdm screen looked better as I had Xbuntu and Kde all on the other
system and that seemed to confuse the gdm setup.
As I recall.
This whining always happens after a new release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974962</id>
	<title>second hard drive missing and weird sound problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded to Karma on two pc's. With one I had no problem at all. With the<br>other (my htpc) I first had the problem that my second harddrive (sata) wasn't<br>detected. Plugging it to a different sata socket on the mainboard solved that.</p><p>The next problem I have is a very mysterious issue that only arrises when using<br>rhythmbox. The sound volume is continuously creeping up, until all sliders reach<br>maximum. I'm struggling to come up with a supposed feature that is to blame for<br>that bug.</p><p>Anyway, mixed feelings about this one!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to Karma on two pc 's .
With one I had no problem at all .
With theother ( my htpc ) I first had the problem that my second harddrive ( sata ) wasn'tdetected .
Plugging it to a different sata socket on the mainboard solved that.The next problem I have is a very mysterious issue that only arrises when usingrhythmbox .
The sound volume is continuously creeping up , until all sliders reachmaximum .
I 'm struggling to come up with a supposed feature that is to blame forthat bug.Anyway , mixed feelings about this one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to Karma on two pc's.
With one I had no problem at all.
With theother (my htpc) I first had the problem that my second harddrive (sata) wasn'tdetected.
Plugging it to a different sata socket on the mainboard solved that.The next problem I have is a very mysterious issue that only arrises when usingrhythmbox.
The sound volume is continuously creeping up, until all sliders reachmaximum.
I'm struggling to come up with a supposed feature that is to blame forthat bug.Anyway, mixed feelings about this one!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970004</id>
	<title>Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I changed to Fedora 11 when amd64 9.06 failed to support 3d graphics on my GMA 4500 chipset. It now runs well, hasn't given any hangs and handles dual monitors beautifully. I have had fewer problems (practically none) than I had with Ubuntu the last two releases. Not turning back anytime soon until Canonical pick up their act.</p><p>I seriously think they have slipped at Canonical - maybe they have lost some expertise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I changed to Fedora 11 when amd64 9.06 failed to support 3d graphics on my GMA 4500 chipset .
It now runs well , has n't given any hangs and handles dual monitors beautifully .
I have had fewer problems ( practically none ) than I had with Ubuntu the last two releases .
Not turning back anytime soon until Canonical pick up their act.I seriously think they have slipped at Canonical - maybe they have lost some expertise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I changed to Fedora 11 when amd64 9.06 failed to support 3d graphics on my GMA 4500 chipset.
It now runs well, hasn't given any hangs and handles dual monitors beautifully.
I have had fewer problems (practically none) than I had with Ubuntu the last two releases.
Not turning back anytime soon until Canonical pick up their act.I seriously think they have slipped at Canonical - maybe they have lost some expertise?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978984</id>
	<title>It's the same old song</title>
	<author>bl8n8r</author>
	<datestamp>1257007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone that's been doing this for awhile knows to let fresh releases sink-in to the mud awhile before stepping on them.  You can't expect glibc and linker updates to treat applications the same - especially when it comes to the sketchiness of closed-source binaries (nvidia xorg for instance).</p><p>Anyone that's been running desktop Linux for a few years knows to keep<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home on a separate partition just in case you need to format/reinstall the system.</p><p>Anyone that's been runnning destkop Linux for more than 10 years will have a second boot partition for testing new releases.</p><p>There are tools avaialable to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot when you upgrade Linux.  Some hints for you:</p><p>- fdisk<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; create one swap partition<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; create 2 boot partitions<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; create one partition dedicated to LVM</p><p>- lvm partitions for tmp, home, slash1, slash2, usr1, usr2, var1, var2<br>- raw partitions are boot1, boot2<br>- never let a new release install grub over your working install<br>- learn how to boot knoppix and use grub-install --root-directory</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone that 's been doing this for awhile knows to let fresh releases sink-in to the mud awhile before stepping on them .
You ca n't expect glibc and linker updates to treat applications the same - especially when it comes to the sketchiness of closed-source binaries ( nvidia xorg for instance ) .Anyone that 's been running desktop Linux for a few years knows to keep /home on a separate partition just in case you need to format/reinstall the system.Anyone that 's been runnning destkop Linux for more than 10 years will have a second boot partition for testing new releases.There are tools avaialable to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot when you upgrade Linux .
Some hints for you : - fdisk     create one swap partition     create 2 boot partitions     create one partition dedicated to LVM- lvm partitions for tmp , home , slash1 , slash2 , usr1 , usr2 , var1 , var2- raw partitions are boot1 , boot2- never let a new release install grub over your working install- learn how to boot knoppix and use grub-install --root-directory</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone that's been doing this for awhile knows to let fresh releases sink-in to the mud awhile before stepping on them.
You can't expect glibc and linker updates to treat applications the same - especially when it comes to the sketchiness of closed-source binaries (nvidia xorg for instance).Anyone that's been running desktop Linux for a few years knows to keep /home on a separate partition just in case you need to format/reinstall the system.Anyone that's been runnning destkop Linux for more than 10 years will have a second boot partition for testing new releases.There are tools avaialable to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot when you upgrade Linux.
Some hints for you:- fdisk
    create one swap partition
    create 2 boot partitions
    create one partition dedicated to LVM- lvm partitions for tmp, home, slash1, slash2, usr1, usr2, var1, var2- raw partitions are boot1, boot2- never let a new release install grub over your working install- learn how to boot knoppix and use grub-install --root-directory</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971674</id>
	<title>My experience (Kubuntu)</title>
	<author>JacobSteelsmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257255720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on one laptop and two desktops. The laptop is an older IBM i386. The desktops are a Lenovo 64 bit Intel and a white box AMD Phenom 64 bit. The Lenovo interacts with the Active Directory services here at work.
<br> <br>
I almost always have issues upgrading when logged in as an AD user. This was no exception. I had to logout and $ sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a as a local user. I rebooted and had to run $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and $ sudo apt-get -f install a couple of times.
<br> <br>
My home laptop and desktop went better. I think I had to dpkg on my home machine as well.
<br> <br>
The desktops run great and have nothing strange happening. My laptop won't login to the wireless automatically. I have to restart knetworkmanager to get it to prompt to open kwalletmanager. Also, the sound works, but it displays a message about pulse (I think) not being available and it falls back to something else. It also prompts me to remove the device permanently, which I am going to try when I get a chance. I haven't reported, or done much debugging, because these aren't show stoppers, but I will in the next couple of days and I hope everyone reports bugs that are encountered.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on one laptop and two desktops .
The laptop is an older IBM i386 .
The desktops are a Lenovo 64 bit Intel and a white box AMD Phenom 64 bit .
The Lenovo interacts with the Active Directory services here at work .
I almost always have issues upgrading when logged in as an AD user .
This was no exception .
I had to logout and $ sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a as a local user .
I rebooted and had to run $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and $ sudo apt-get -f install a couple of times .
My home laptop and desktop went better .
I think I had to dpkg on my home machine as well .
The desktops run great and have nothing strange happening .
My laptop wo n't login to the wireless automatically .
I have to restart knetworkmanager to get it to prompt to open kwalletmanager .
Also , the sound works , but it displays a message about pulse ( I think ) not being available and it falls back to something else .
It also prompts me to remove the device permanently , which I am going to try when I get a chance .
I have n't reported , or done much debugging , because these are n't show stoppers , but I will in the next couple of days and I hope everyone reports bugs that are encountered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on one laptop and two desktops.
The laptop is an older IBM i386.
The desktops are a Lenovo 64 bit Intel and a white box AMD Phenom 64 bit.
The Lenovo interacts with the Active Directory services here at work.
I almost always have issues upgrading when logged in as an AD user.
This was no exception.
I had to logout and $ sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a as a local user.
I rebooted and had to run $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and $ sudo apt-get -f install a couple of times.
My home laptop and desktop went better.
I think I had to dpkg on my home machine as well.
The desktops run great and have nothing strange happening.
My laptop won't login to the wireless automatically.
I have to restart knetworkmanager to get it to prompt to open kwalletmanager.
Also, the sound works, but it displays a message about pulse (I think) not being available and it falls back to something else.
It also prompts me to remove the device permanently, which I am going to try when I get a chance.
I haven't reported, or done much debugging, because these aren't show stoppers, but I will in the next couple of days and I hope everyone reports bugs that are encountered.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978816</id>
	<title>If I use Karmic long enough...</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1257006720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...will my karma improve?

No, seriously though...I upgraded this past weekend and it is awesome...aside from a couple really dumb mistakes I made.  But now that everything is fixed, it runs like a dream.  Smoothest OS I've used so far, with the gnome-do dock mode it reminds me of mac OS X except that it doesn't penalize me for having minimum RAM installed by seizing up every 5 minutes.

Two pieces of advice:
Don't leave Firefox open while upgrading and then walk away, and
Do replace the open source JRE with the Sun one (unless you absolutely can't handle an EULA).

Also, the default pinyin IME for IBus sucks, (no context-based autoselection) but just search synaptic for the other one in there and it works great.  

Empathy is much cooler than Pidgin, IBus is smoother than SCIM, booting takes about half the time, pretty near everything runs faster, and for some reason my laptop now gets 50\% longer battery life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...will my karma improve ?
No , seriously though...I upgraded this past weekend and it is awesome...aside from a couple really dumb mistakes I made .
But now that everything is fixed , it runs like a dream .
Smoothest OS I 've used so far , with the gnome-do dock mode it reminds me of mac OS X except that it does n't penalize me for having minimum RAM installed by seizing up every 5 minutes .
Two pieces of advice : Do n't leave Firefox open while upgrading and then walk away , and Do replace the open source JRE with the Sun one ( unless you absolutely ca n't handle an EULA ) .
Also , the default pinyin IME for IBus sucks , ( no context-based autoselection ) but just search synaptic for the other one in there and it works great .
Empathy is much cooler than Pidgin , IBus is smoother than SCIM , booting takes about half the time , pretty near everything runs faster , and for some reason my laptop now gets 50 \ % longer battery life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will my karma improve?
No, seriously though...I upgraded this past weekend and it is awesome...aside from a couple really dumb mistakes I made.
But now that everything is fixed, it runs like a dream.
Smoothest OS I've used so far, with the gnome-do dock mode it reminds me of mac OS X except that it doesn't penalize me for having minimum RAM installed by seizing up every 5 minutes.
Two pieces of advice:
Don't leave Firefox open while upgrading and then walk away, and
Do replace the open source JRE with the Sun one (unless you absolutely can't handle an EULA).
Also, the default pinyin IME for IBus sucks, (no context-based autoselection) but just search synaptic for the other one in there and it works great.
Empathy is much cooler than Pidgin, IBus is smoother than SCIM, booting takes about half the time, pretty near everything runs faster, and for some reason my laptop now gets 50\% longer battery life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970478</id>
	<title>Compaq Presario</title>
	<author>Kamineko</author>
	<datestamp>1257250740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my Compaq Presario 1200 (700mhz, 300MiB RAM, 6GB HDD) from 9.04 to 9.10 Xubuntu using Update Manager with no problems whatsoever. My 3com PCMCIA wireless card still works, crappy Medion graphics tablet, sound, Wine, everything.</p><p>They introduced a new picture browsing application (Ristretto) which I don't believe was there before, so now there's two 'ready picture browser'-type apps installed (9.04 had its own one, I think it was simply called Image Viewer, which had a near identical interface to Windows XP's image preview). Kinda confused me at first.</p><p>The only thing that's really getting my goat is that 9.10 uses a different version of gdm (apparently the one used in 9.04 was 'really old'). This new gdm can't be themed, and as a result I'm stuck with a really, really naff looking login screen that can't readily be customised or themed (it also shows a userlist, which I don't want). I could manually install the old gdm, I suppose, but I'll just wait for the new one to support themes. On a more practical note, the bar that appears at the bottom of the screen (Sessions, International, etc.) doesn't display correctly in my 800x600 screen. It overlaps and jumbles up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my Compaq Presario 1200 ( 700mhz , 300MiB RAM , 6GB HDD ) from 9.04 to 9.10 Xubuntu using Update Manager with no problems whatsoever .
My 3com PCMCIA wireless card still works , crappy Medion graphics tablet , sound , Wine , everything.They introduced a new picture browsing application ( Ristretto ) which I do n't believe was there before , so now there 's two 'ready picture browser'-type apps installed ( 9.04 had its own one , I think it was simply called Image Viewer , which had a near identical interface to Windows XP 's image preview ) .
Kinda confused me at first.The only thing that 's really getting my goat is that 9.10 uses a different version of gdm ( apparently the one used in 9.04 was 'really old ' ) .
This new gdm ca n't be themed , and as a result I 'm stuck with a really , really naff looking login screen that ca n't readily be customised or themed ( it also shows a userlist , which I do n't want ) .
I could manually install the old gdm , I suppose , but I 'll just wait for the new one to support themes .
On a more practical note , the bar that appears at the bottom of the screen ( Sessions , International , etc .
) does n't display correctly in my 800x600 screen .
It overlaps and jumbles up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my Compaq Presario 1200 (700mhz, 300MiB RAM, 6GB HDD) from 9.04 to 9.10 Xubuntu using Update Manager with no problems whatsoever.
My 3com PCMCIA wireless card still works, crappy Medion graphics tablet, sound, Wine, everything.They introduced a new picture browsing application (Ristretto) which I don't believe was there before, so now there's two 'ready picture browser'-type apps installed (9.04 had its own one, I think it was simply called Image Viewer, which had a near identical interface to Windows XP's image preview).
Kinda confused me at first.The only thing that's really getting my goat is that 9.10 uses a different version of gdm (apparently the one used in 9.04 was 'really old').
This new gdm can't be themed, and as a result I'm stuck with a really, really naff looking login screen that can't readily be customised or themed (it also shows a userlist, which I don't want).
I could manually install the old gdm, I suppose, but I'll just wait for the new one to support themes.
On a more practical note, the bar that appears at the bottom of the screen (Sessions, International, etc.
) doesn't display correctly in my 800x600 screen.
It overlaps and jumbles up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969614</id>
	<title>Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using amd64 9.10 with dual monitors and it is relatively self configuring.  So far no big problems that would lead me to regret upgrading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using amd64 9.10 with dual monitors and it is relatively self configuring .
So far no big problems that would lead me to regret upgrading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using amd64 9.10 with dual monitors and it is relatively self configuring.
So far no big problems that would lead me to regret upgrading.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970862</id>
	<title>Like ubuntu but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use linux exclusively so I like my chosen os and appreciate the hard work put to these systems. However I never have had a painless upgrade with ubuntu. Now my laptop screen keeps changing the brightness every second Bug #415023 and suspend no longer works. Should have learned by now to wait a few months after the release until a upgrade. They're usually a lot better after a few months after the release. Waiting for the next LTS version. Hardy still works great on my desktop (sadly too old for my laptop hardware tough). Biggest problem with hardy is I still don't like pulse audio. Maybe ubuntu should change to yearly releases instead of twice a year. Bit more conservatism wouldn't hurt with this much regression on a lot of hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use linux exclusively so I like my chosen os and appreciate the hard work put to these systems .
However I never have had a painless upgrade with ubuntu .
Now my laptop screen keeps changing the brightness every second Bug # 415023 and suspend no longer works .
Should have learned by now to wait a few months after the release until a upgrade .
They 're usually a lot better after a few months after the release .
Waiting for the next LTS version .
Hardy still works great on my desktop ( sadly too old for my laptop hardware tough ) .
Biggest problem with hardy is I still do n't like pulse audio .
Maybe ubuntu should change to yearly releases instead of twice a year .
Bit more conservatism would n't hurt with this much regression on a lot of hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use linux exclusively so I like my chosen os and appreciate the hard work put to these systems.
However I never have had a painless upgrade with ubuntu.
Now my laptop screen keeps changing the brightness every second Bug #415023 and suspend no longer works.
Should have learned by now to wait a few months after the release until a upgrade.
They're usually a lot better after a few months after the release.
Waiting for the next LTS version.
Hardy still works great on my desktop (sadly too old for my laptop hardware tough).
Biggest problem with hardy is I still don't like pulse audio.
Maybe ubuntu should change to yearly releases instead of twice a year.
Bit more conservatism wouldn't hurt with this much regression on a lot of hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979328</id>
	<title>back to the past: 8043</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257008340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>tried 910 alpha: yuck<br>tried 910 beta:  ditto<br>tried 910 RC: absolutely no change</p><p>It's like those nasty 99cent tv dinners, you wonder if whoever makes it ever really tries it out...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tried 910 alpha : yucktried 910 beta : dittotried 910 RC : absolutely no changeIt 's like those nasty 99cent tv dinners , you wonder if whoever makes it ever really tries it out... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tried 910 alpha: yucktried 910 beta:  dittotried 910 RC: absolutely no changeIt's like those nasty 99cent tv dinners, you wonder if whoever makes it ever really tries it out...?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970104</id>
	<title>It just works nicely</title>
	<author>zippygonzales</author>
	<datestamp>1257249480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clean upgrade yesterday to 9.10 was sweet. It's not just Firefox 3.5, which I never managed how to upgrade under Jaunty, or the realm of other upgraded releases. Karmic is quicker and more elegant than Jaunty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clean upgrade yesterday to 9.10 was sweet .
It 's not just Firefox 3.5 , which I never managed how to upgrade under Jaunty , or the realm of other upgraded releases .
Karmic is quicker and more elegant than Jaunty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clean upgrade yesterday to 9.10 was sweet.
It's not just Firefox 3.5, which I never managed how to upgrade under Jaunty, or the realm of other upgraded releases.
Karmic is quicker and more elegant than Jaunty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973016</id>
	<title>Some good, Some bad</title>
	<author>DirePickle</author>
	<datestamp>1257265380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was the first and only dist-upgrade I've managed with Ubuntu that didn't completely hose the installation. And it's the first time my wireless card has continued to work without excessive tinkering post-upgrade. Of course, this latter is probably because I moved from an ath5k to an Intel card.

On the other hand, it totally hosed sound on my t61p.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was the first and only dist-upgrade I 've managed with Ubuntu that did n't completely hose the installation .
And it 's the first time my wireless card has continued to work without excessive tinkering post-upgrade .
Of course , this latter is probably because I moved from an ath5k to an Intel card .
On the other hand , it totally hosed sound on my t61p .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was the first and only dist-upgrade I've managed with Ubuntu that didn't completely hose the installation.
And it's the first time my wireless card has continued to work without excessive tinkering post-upgrade.
Of course, this latter is probably because I moved from an ath5k to an Intel card.
On the other hand, it totally hosed sound on my t61p.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973676</id>
	<title>I must be lucky</title>
	<author>Schrambo</author>
	<datestamp>1257270720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The upgrade for me has been the easiest and trouble free. Flash broke but that was an easy fix getting the non-free package.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The upgrade for me has been the easiest and trouble free .
Flash broke but that was an easy fix getting the non-free package .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upgrade for me has been the easiest and trouble free.
Flash broke but that was an easy fix getting the non-free package.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972374</id>
	<title>no problems at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257260220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience with 9.10 has been great - no bugs at all. I was a little hesitant, since after 9.04 I had to tweak things to watch videos again, and it took me some time. This time, though, things have worked perfectly. Boot time is faster, maybe run time is a hair slower, but since I'm running an older laptop (dell inspiron 600m), I'm really not complaining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience with 9.10 has been great - no bugs at all .
I was a little hesitant , since after 9.04 I had to tweak things to watch videos again , and it took me some time .
This time , though , things have worked perfectly .
Boot time is faster , maybe run time is a hair slower , but since I 'm running an older laptop ( dell inspiron 600m ) , I 'm really not complaining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience with 9.10 has been great - no bugs at all.
I was a little hesitant, since after 9.04 I had to tweak things to watch videos again, and it took me some time.
This time, though, things have worked perfectly.
Boot time is faster, maybe run time is a hair slower, but since I'm running an older laptop (dell inspiron 600m), I'm really not complaining.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973130</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had Windows do basically the same thing to me if you have a power failure near the end of an install or upgrade. Sometimes it can recover automatically, but I've also had to go back, reformat and reinstall to fix it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had Windows do basically the same thing to me if you have a power failure near the end of an install or upgrade .
Sometimes it can recover automatically , but I 've also had to go back , reformat and reinstall to fix it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had Windows do basically the same thing to me if you have a power failure near the end of an install or upgrade.
Sometimes it can recover automatically, but I've also had to go back, reformat and reinstall to fix it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</id>
	<title>I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and everything went smoothly except for the following:

1. My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason. I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio, and it had worked fine after installing 9.04, but stopped working when I upgraded. It now claims I have no sound hardware installed, and I'm not entirely sure how to correct it.

2. After rebooting, the screen now goes blank (video card stops outputting) when X should start and bring up the login screen. I'm also not sure what caused this. I dropped down to a console, tried to kill the running X process, and then things seemed to miraculously work. I actually had to get something done, so I just went with it, but I'm not sure exactly what happened (or what I did to fix it). Maybe this is related to the proprietary Nvidia drivers I'm using?

Everything else seemed to work just fine as far as I can tell. When I have a few hours to dig through forums, I'll try to fix the sound and the screen blanking thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 , and everything went smoothly except for the following : 1 .
My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason .
I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio , and it had worked fine after installing 9.04 , but stopped working when I upgraded .
It now claims I have no sound hardware installed , and I 'm not entirely sure how to correct it .
2. After rebooting , the screen now goes blank ( video card stops outputting ) when X should start and bring up the login screen .
I 'm also not sure what caused this .
I dropped down to a console , tried to kill the running X process , and then things seemed to miraculously work .
I actually had to get something done , so I just went with it , but I 'm not sure exactly what happened ( or what I did to fix it ) .
Maybe this is related to the proprietary Nvidia drivers I 'm using ?
Everything else seemed to work just fine as far as I can tell .
When I have a few hours to dig through forums , I 'll try to fix the sound and the screen blanking thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and everything went smoothly except for the following:

1.
My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason.
I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio, and it had worked fine after installing 9.04, but stopped working when I upgraded.
It now claims I have no sound hardware installed, and I'm not entirely sure how to correct it.
2. After rebooting, the screen now goes blank (video card stops outputting) when X should start and bring up the login screen.
I'm also not sure what caused this.
I dropped down to a console, tried to kill the running X process, and then things seemed to miraculously work.
I actually had to get something done, so I just went with it, but I'm not sure exactly what happened (or what I did to fix it).
Maybe this is related to the proprietary Nvidia drivers I'm using?
Everything else seemed to work just fine as far as I can tell.
When I have a few hours to dig through forums, I'll try to fix the sound and the screen blanking thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970766</id>
	<title>Other way around for me</title>
	<author>hellmitre</author>
	<datestamp>1257251700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had nothing but positive changes since migrating from 8.10 to 9.10. Wireless connectivity is far better; they seem to have ironed out the issues stemming from multiple networks being around in the same band, video out works far better, PulseAudio is finally properly implemented. Overall it's a far smoother distro, in my experience. It took me about 6 hours to get everything working, iSight, mic and Skype, full screen flash, dev headers and software, compiz and conky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had nothing but positive changes since migrating from 8.10 to 9.10 .
Wireless connectivity is far better ; they seem to have ironed out the issues stemming from multiple networks being around in the same band , video out works far better , PulseAudio is finally properly implemented .
Overall it 's a far smoother distro , in my experience .
It took me about 6 hours to get everything working , iSight , mic and Skype , full screen flash , dev headers and software , compiz and conky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had nothing but positive changes since migrating from 8.10 to 9.10.
Wireless connectivity is far better; they seem to have ironed out the issues stemming from multiple networks being around in the same band, video out works far better, PulseAudio is finally properly implemented.
Overall it's a far smoother distro, in my experience.
It took me about 6 hours to get everything working, iSight, mic and Skype, full screen flash, dev headers and software, compiz and conky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972074</id>
	<title>New adopter, fresh off the boat, nothing but good</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1257258240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a "new" adopter who hasn't had a bad experience... yet.  I've installed Linux and Ubuntu previously, but never for very long nor for persistent usage.  My familiarity goes all the way back to about '92 or '93, though, when I had a couple diskette boxes stuffed with 70 diskettes containing some early distro ("1.2", it's labelled).</p><p>I installed it this time for a very specific reason: GPT support.  I had finally gotten around to upgrading the drives in my RAID 5 array to 1 terabyte drives, and discovered that I had slammed into the MBR wall; my nVidia MediShield BIOS was reporting the capacity as about 750GB, which is just about 2TB shy of what it should have been.  I then learned that no 32-bit version of Windows recognizes GPT structures, and I had NO intention of upgrading to yet another overpriced version of a product because the last version artificially handcuffed me from using my own damned hardware!  I had already been enduring the 4GB RAM <b>license</b> limit in Windows XP; this was too much.</p><p>I also learned that Linux in general and Ubuntu did in fact recognize GPT disk structures, so I created new partitions and installed Ubuntu 9.10.  I had already used the live CD and GPartEd to convert the array from MBR to GPT.  Sure enough, not only did Ubuntu recognize my RAID 5 array, it recognized the FULL capacity of it, not the capacity reported by the MediaShield BIOS (which apparently is just a "display issue").  I now have a 3TB ext4 volume just waiting to be used.  (Windows XP now recognizes it only in Disk Management, as a "GPT Protective Partition", as expected, though it still gets the capacity wrong.)</p><p>I'm now exploring the virtualization options, looking for one that will still let me run Windows XP as a guest and use Samba or some other technique to allow some Windows apps to have access to the 3 terabytes in the new array.  (Hopefully one that also supports AMD-V and lets me boot the guest Windows OS directly from my already-installed instance.)</p><p>The migration will take some time and might never be entirely complete (I may have to dual-boot for Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, for instance), but it seems like this has been the proverbial Writing On The Wall and I must heed it.  I hope I don't crash into these showstopping bugs that other people are reporting, because if it proved too frustrating that might drive me back into the waiting arms of the Wicked Witch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a " new " adopter who has n't had a bad experience... yet. I 've installed Linux and Ubuntu previously , but never for very long nor for persistent usage .
My familiarity goes all the way back to about '92 or '93 , though , when I had a couple diskette boxes stuffed with 70 diskettes containing some early distro ( " 1.2 " , it 's labelled ) .I installed it this time for a very specific reason : GPT support .
I had finally gotten around to upgrading the drives in my RAID 5 array to 1 terabyte drives , and discovered that I had slammed into the MBR wall ; my nVidia MediShield BIOS was reporting the capacity as about 750GB , which is just about 2TB shy of what it should have been .
I then learned that no 32-bit version of Windows recognizes GPT structures , and I had NO intention of upgrading to yet another overpriced version of a product because the last version artificially handcuffed me from using my own damned hardware !
I had already been enduring the 4GB RAM license limit in Windows XP ; this was too much.I also learned that Linux in general and Ubuntu did in fact recognize GPT disk structures , so I created new partitions and installed Ubuntu 9.10 .
I had already used the live CD and GPartEd to convert the array from MBR to GPT .
Sure enough , not only did Ubuntu recognize my RAID 5 array , it recognized the FULL capacity of it , not the capacity reported by the MediaShield BIOS ( which apparently is just a " display issue " ) .
I now have a 3TB ext4 volume just waiting to be used .
( Windows XP now recognizes it only in Disk Management , as a " GPT Protective Partition " , as expected , though it still gets the capacity wrong .
) I 'm now exploring the virtualization options , looking for one that will still let me run Windows XP as a guest and use Samba or some other technique to allow some Windows apps to have access to the 3 terabytes in the new array .
( Hopefully one that also supports AMD-V and lets me boot the guest Windows OS directly from my already-installed instance .
) The migration will take some time and might never be entirely complete ( I may have to dual-boot for Supreme Commander : Forged Alliance , for instance ) , but it seems like this has been the proverbial Writing On The Wall and I must heed it .
I hope I do n't crash into these showstopping bugs that other people are reporting , because if it proved too frustrating that might drive me back into the waiting arms of the Wicked Witch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a "new" adopter who hasn't had a bad experience... yet.  I've installed Linux and Ubuntu previously, but never for very long nor for persistent usage.
My familiarity goes all the way back to about '92 or '93, though, when I had a couple diskette boxes stuffed with 70 diskettes containing some early distro ("1.2", it's labelled).I installed it this time for a very specific reason: GPT support.
I had finally gotten around to upgrading the drives in my RAID 5 array to 1 terabyte drives, and discovered that I had slammed into the MBR wall; my nVidia MediShield BIOS was reporting the capacity as about 750GB, which is just about 2TB shy of what it should have been.
I then learned that no 32-bit version of Windows recognizes GPT structures, and I had NO intention of upgrading to yet another overpriced version of a product because the last version artificially handcuffed me from using my own damned hardware!
I had already been enduring the 4GB RAM license limit in Windows XP; this was too much.I also learned that Linux in general and Ubuntu did in fact recognize GPT disk structures, so I created new partitions and installed Ubuntu 9.10.
I had already used the live CD and GPartEd to convert the array from MBR to GPT.
Sure enough, not only did Ubuntu recognize my RAID 5 array, it recognized the FULL capacity of it, not the capacity reported by the MediaShield BIOS (which apparently is just a "display issue").
I now have a 3TB ext4 volume just waiting to be used.
(Windows XP now recognizes it only in Disk Management, as a "GPT Protective Partition", as expected, though it still gets the capacity wrong.
)I'm now exploring the virtualization options, looking for one that will still let me run Windows XP as a guest and use Samba or some other technique to allow some Windows apps to have access to the 3 terabytes in the new array.
(Hopefully one that also supports AMD-V and lets me boot the guest Windows OS directly from my already-installed instance.
)The migration will take some time and might never be entirely complete (I may have to dual-boot for Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, for instance), but it seems like this has been the proverbial Writing On The Wall and I must heed it.
I hope I don't crash into these showstopping bugs that other people are reporting, because if it proved too frustrating that might drive me back into the waiting arms of the Wicked Witch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969760</id>
	<title>openSUSE 11.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openSUSE 11.2 : 8 days to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openSUSE 11.2 : 8 days to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openSUSE 11.2 : 8 days to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970506</id>
	<title>X.10 versions are never 100\%...</title>
	<author>TheGreatOrangePeel</author>
	<datestamp>1257250860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think people tend to forget that the X.10 versions of Ubuntu are considered to be less stable than the X.04 versions. They're meant to be the version before the next increment to the major (e.g. 9.10 to 10.04) number and it's expected that there will be kinks to iron out. The point is to make the upcoming X.04 version stable. If you don't want to be stung, don't install a X.10 version. Then again, I've never had an issue with a X.10 versions (namely, 8.10 and 9.10). In fact, they tend to fix my hardware issues from the previous version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think people tend to forget that the X.10 versions of Ubuntu are considered to be less stable than the X.04 versions .
They 're meant to be the version before the next increment to the major ( e.g .
9.10 to 10.04 ) number and it 's expected that there will be kinks to iron out .
The point is to make the upcoming X.04 version stable .
If you do n't want to be stung , do n't install a X.10 version .
Then again , I 've never had an issue with a X.10 versions ( namely , 8.10 and 9.10 ) .
In fact , they tend to fix my hardware issues from the previous version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think people tend to forget that the X.10 versions of Ubuntu are considered to be less stable than the X.04 versions.
They're meant to be the version before the next increment to the major (e.g.
9.10 to 10.04) number and it's expected that there will be kinks to iron out.
The point is to make the upcoming X.04 version stable.
If you don't want to be stung, don't install a X.10 version.
Then again, I've never had an issue with a X.10 versions (namely, 8.10 and 9.10).
In fact, they tend to fix my hardware issues from the previous version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975962</id>
	<title>Re:Default configuration issues</title>
	<author>machinegestalt</author>
	<datestamp>1256989260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Haha, to edit my posts...</p><p>I had to sit down and install a bunch of the shared decoding libraries for mpegs among other things, she couldn't play mp3s with the out of the box install.  Seriously?  3 different apps complained about the lack of suitable decoders, but only one was smart enough to pull up a package management dialogue and give the option to actually do something about it.  This is something pretty much everyone uses, why set it up so backasswardly?  Every app installed by default that plays mp3s should work.  You shouldn't have to guess correctly which app you need to use to play your music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Haha , to edit my posts...I had to sit down and install a bunch of the shared decoding libraries for mpegs among other things , she could n't play mp3s with the out of the box install .
Seriously ? 3 different apps complained about the lack of suitable decoders , but only one was smart enough to pull up a package management dialogue and give the option to actually do something about it .
This is something pretty much everyone uses , why set it up so backasswardly ?
Every app installed by default that plays mp3s should work .
You should n't have to guess correctly which app you need to use to play your music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haha, to edit my posts...I had to sit down and install a bunch of the shared decoding libraries for mpegs among other things, she couldn't play mp3s with the out of the box install.
Seriously?  3 different apps complained about the lack of suitable decoders, but only one was smart enough to pull up a package management dialogue and give the option to actually do something about it.
This is something pretty much everyone uses, why set it up so backasswardly?
Every app installed by default that plays mp3s should work.
You shouldn't have to guess correctly which app you need to use to play your music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971624</id>
	<title>No problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I updated my laptop on the day of release. NO PROBLEMS. None, nada. My laptop does not have any nVidia hardware. How many "problem upgrades" have nVidia hardware?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I updated my laptop on the day of release .
NO PROBLEMS .
None , nada .
My laptop does not have any nVidia hardware .
How many " problem upgrades " have nVidia hardware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I updated my laptop on the day of release.
NO PROBLEMS.
None, nada.
My laptop does not have any nVidia hardware.
How many "problem upgrades" have nVidia hardware?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970120</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>smoothnorman</author>
	<datestamp>1257249540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>("upgraded" from 9.04)
No Audio:  space-dumped pulseaudio, re-installed alsa and the music/mplayer plays again
No Wireless: Networkmanager option never comes up, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and wireless connects
No System-&gt;Administration anymore:  haven't figured out that one yet
Strange warnings about encrypted hard-drive when there's never been any encryption.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...may go back to pure Debian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( " upgraded " from 9.04 ) No Audio : space-dumped pulseaudio , re-installed alsa and the music/mplayer plays again No Wireless : Networkmanager option never comes up , " /etc/init.d/networking restart " and wireless connects No System- &gt; Administration anymore : have n't figured out that one yet Strange warnings about encrypted hard-drive when there 's never been any encryption .
...may go back to pure Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>("upgraded" from 9.04)
No Audio:  space-dumped pulseaudio, re-installed alsa and the music/mplayer plays again
No Wireless: Networkmanager option never comes up, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and wireless connects
No System-&gt;Administration anymore:  haven't figured out that one yet
Strange warnings about encrypted hard-drive when there's never been any encryption.
...may go back to pure Debian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971052</id>
	<title>There are lots of distros out there: e.g. Mandriva</title>
	<author>colin\_s\_guthrie</author>
	<datestamp>1257252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well no one is forcing users to upgrade! People can stick about for a while and see how it goes for others.</p><p>Also we just released <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0\_What's\_New" title="mandriva.com" rel="nofollow">Mandriva 2010.0</a> [mandriva.com] (<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0\_Notes" title="mandriva.com" rel="nofollow">release notes</a> [mandriva.com] and <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0\_Errata" title="mandriva.com" rel="nofollow">Errata</a> [mandriva.com]). The mirrors are currently syncing and the main download page is waiting for that to complete before offering direct downloads but the <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0\_Errata" title="mandriva.com" rel="nofollow">torrents are out now.</a> [mandriva.com].</p><p>IMO Mandriva offers excellent Gnome and KDE flavours, so feel free to take the most appropriate "Mandriva One" live CD for a spin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well no one is forcing users to upgrade !
People can stick about for a while and see how it goes for others.Also we just released Mandriva 2010.0 [ mandriva.com ] ( release notes [ mandriva.com ] and Errata [ mandriva.com ] ) .
The mirrors are currently syncing and the main download page is waiting for that to complete before offering direct downloads but the torrents are out now .
[ mandriva.com ] .IMO Mandriva offers excellent Gnome and KDE flavours , so feel free to take the most appropriate " Mandriva One " live CD for a spin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well no one is forcing users to upgrade!
People can stick about for a while and see how it goes for others.Also we just released Mandriva 2010.0 [mandriva.com] (release notes [mandriva.com] and Errata [mandriva.com]).
The mirrors are currently syncing and the main download page is waiting for that to complete before offering direct downloads but the torrents are out now.
[mandriva.com].IMO Mandriva offers excellent Gnome and KDE flavours, so feel free to take the most appropriate "Mandriva One" live CD for a spin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972318</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1257259800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95</p></div><p>Yeah, same here. It somehow confused a VIA-based 4-port SATA PCI card as an nVidia RAID array. (it's not even a raid card - just ports!)</p><p>Had to downgrade to 9.04 to get access to my HDDs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95Yeah , same here .
It somehow confused a VIA-based 4-port SATA PCI card as an nVidia RAID array .
( it 's not even a raid card - just ports !
) Had to downgrade to 9.04 to get access to my HDDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95Yeah, same here.
It somehow confused a VIA-based 4-port SATA PCI card as an nVidia RAID array.
(it's not even a raid card - just ports!
)Had to downgrade to 9.04 to get access to my HDDs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971790</id>
	<title>My Experience</title>
	<author>Tarlus</author>
	<datestamp>1257256320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whas [sic] has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?</p></div><p>The Good:
</p><ul>
<li>PulseAudio was improved and is (finally) friendly and functional with my sound card.</li><li>The new Intel drivers have drastically improved the performance of my video hardware.</li><li>My machine boots up and enters/emerges-from hibernation faster than ever.</li><li>General performance in GNOME is faster and more responsive.</li></ul><p>

The Bad:
</p><ul>
<li>Notifications in GNOME were deliberately shoved downward and away from the top of the screen. Luckily there's an <a href="http://blog.mahboy.com/archives/248" title="mahboy.com">easy fix</a> [mahboy.com].</li><li>The Firefox icon disappeared. Had to spend a whole five seconds re-applying it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</li><li>A couple of packages disappeared since they were mistakenly marked as deprecated. A quick apt-get reinstalled them.</li></ul><p>

I would have to say that in my experience with Karmic, the pros greatly outweighed the cons. I'll live major increases in performance at the cost of minor fixable annoyances!<br> <br>
Of course, I did an upgrade from 9.04 so I haven't taken the plunge to GRUB 2 or EXT4. Those two things are still kinda young (and bold decisions for Canonical to commit to production) so perhaps they're contributing factors to the problems that most people are experiencing?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whas [ sic ] has been your experience if you 've moved to Karmic ? The Good : PulseAudio was improved and is ( finally ) friendly and functional with my sound card.The new Intel drivers have drastically improved the performance of my video hardware.My machine boots up and enters/emerges-from hibernation faster than ever.General performance in GNOME is faster and more responsive .
The Bad : Notifications in GNOME were deliberately shoved downward and away from the top of the screen .
Luckily there 's an easy fix [ mahboy.com ] .The Firefox icon disappeared .
Had to spend a whole five seconds re-applying it .
: DA couple of packages disappeared since they were mistakenly marked as deprecated .
A quick apt-get reinstalled them .
I would have to say that in my experience with Karmic , the pros greatly outweighed the cons .
I 'll live major increases in performance at the cost of minor fixable annoyances !
Of course , I did an upgrade from 9.04 so I have n't taken the plunge to GRUB 2 or EXT4 .
Those two things are still kinda young ( and bold decisions for Canonical to commit to production ) so perhaps they 're contributing factors to the problems that most people are experiencing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whas [sic] has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?The Good:

PulseAudio was improved and is (finally) friendly and functional with my sound card.The new Intel drivers have drastically improved the performance of my video hardware.My machine boots up and enters/emerges-from hibernation faster than ever.General performance in GNOME is faster and more responsive.
The Bad:

Notifications in GNOME were deliberately shoved downward and away from the top of the screen.
Luckily there's an easy fix [mahboy.com].The Firefox icon disappeared.
Had to spend a whole five seconds re-applying it.
:DA couple of packages disappeared since they were mistakenly marked as deprecated.
A quick apt-get reinstalled them.
I would have to say that in my experience with Karmic, the pros greatly outweighed the cons.
I'll live major increases in performance at the cost of minor fixable annoyances!
Of course, I did an upgrade from 9.04 so I haven't taken the plunge to GRUB 2 or EXT4.
Those two things are still kinda young (and bold decisions for Canonical to commit to production) so perhaps they're contributing factors to the problems that most people are experiencing?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971194</id>
	<title>Is it just me, or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257253380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or does anyone else find that either:<br>1.  x.04 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.10 versions are crap, or<br>2.  x.10 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.04 versions are crap ?</p><p>I've had problems with every x.10 release since 6.10, but never had any issues with any x.04 release (since 7.04).  I have a friend whose experiences have been just the opposite of mine.  And for the record, no, i have not moved to 9.10 yet, but I'm almost ready to give it a shot, even though it scares me a little bit.</p><p>Just a thought, but it almost seems to me like they're trying to make one group of people happy (for example, ATI users) with one release, and then jump to making the other group of people happy with the next release (such as nVidia users).  Or am I just crazy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or does anyone else find that either : 1. x.04 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.10 versions are crap , or2 .
x.10 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.04 versions are crap ? I 've had problems with every x.10 release since 6.10 , but never had any issues with any x.04 release ( since 7.04 ) .
I have a friend whose experiences have been just the opposite of mine .
And for the record , no , i have not moved to 9.10 yet , but I 'm almost ready to give it a shot , even though it scares me a little bit.Just a thought , but it almost seems to me like they 're trying to make one group of people happy ( for example , ATI users ) with one release , and then jump to making the other group of people happy with the next release ( such as nVidia users ) .
Or am I just crazy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or does anyone else find that either:1.  x.04 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.10 versions are crap, or2.
x.10 versions of Ubuntu are stable and x.04 versions are crap ?I've had problems with every x.10 release since 6.10, but never had any issues with any x.04 release (since 7.04).
I have a friend whose experiences have been just the opposite of mine.
And for the record, no, i have not moved to 9.10 yet, but I'm almost ready to give it a shot, even though it scares me a little bit.Just a thought, but it almost seems to me like they're trying to make one group of people happy (for example, ATI users) with one release, and then jump to making the other group of people happy with the next release (such as nVidia users).
Or am I just crazy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975410</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Run this: gconftool -s --type bool<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/apps/update-notifier/auto\_launch false</p><p>This is in the release notes <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">release notes</a> [ubuntu.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Run this : gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto \ _launch falseThis is in the release notes release notes [ ubuntu.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Run this: gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto\_launch falseThis is in the release notes release notes [ubuntu.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975582</id>
	<title>Arturito</title>
	<author>arturito</author>
	<datestamp>1256985240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fresh install + development environment (eclipse,netbeans, tomcat, lamp). Not a single problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fresh install + development environment ( eclipse,netbeans , tomcat , lamp ) .
Not a single problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fresh install + development environment (eclipse,netbeans, tomcat, lamp).
Not a single problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970318</id>
	<title>Re:Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>fwice</author>
	<datestamp>1257250140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll second that.  My upgrade [48 hours after release] was seamless.</p><p>The only thing that could only be considered a problem was that the login screen automatically made itself the 'list all users' version instead of the 'enter user name:' version.  Only a slight annoyance to fix that one.</p><p>The best?  VLC returns to the all-in-one version, instead of the two window [one for controller, one for player] version...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll second that .
My upgrade [ 48 hours after release ] was seamless.The only thing that could only be considered a problem was that the login screen automatically made itself the 'list all users ' version instead of the 'enter user name : ' version .
Only a slight annoyance to fix that one.The best ?
VLC returns to the all-in-one version , instead of the two window [ one for controller , one for player ] version.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll second that.
My upgrade [48 hours after release] was seamless.The only thing that could only be considered a problem was that the login screen automatically made itself the 'list all users' version instead of the 'enter user name:' version.
Only a slight annoyance to fix that one.The best?
VLC returns to the all-in-one version, instead of the two window [one for controller, one for player] version...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970922</id>
	<title>Re:Only Use LTS</title>
	<author>LordLimecat</author>
	<datestamp>1257252300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>6 month release cycles have their place.  Ubuntu is a useful testing ground for beta software, and it evolves very rapidly.  It sacrifices stability, but when you look at how far it has come in 3 years it is very impressive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 month release cycles have their place .
Ubuntu is a useful testing ground for beta software , and it evolves very rapidly .
It sacrifices stability , but when you look at how far it has come in 3 years it is very impressive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6 month release cycles have their place.
Ubuntu is a useful testing ground for beta software, and it evolves very rapidly.
It sacrifices stability, but when you look at how far it has come in 3 years it is very impressive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969806</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973388</id>
	<title>Stable Hardware Platform</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1257268740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of the problem is the myriad of possible hardware combinations, with each piece of hardware needing different instructions from the next piece that does the same thing, and hardware vendors constantly releasing new hardware that makes the situation worse.</p><p>I'm for selecting a few hardware interfaces and stating clearly that these are supported, then doing our stinking best to ensure that no upgrade breaks things on that hardware. For any other hardware, support can be best-effort.</p><p>This will provide two benefits: first, it will provide users with clear information on what to expect, and gives them the option to choose for smooth upgrades. Secondly, it will provide an incentive to hardware makers to make their new hardware be interface-compatible with previous iterations, lessening the unnecessary burden on driver writers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the problem is the myriad of possible hardware combinations , with each piece of hardware needing different instructions from the next piece that does the same thing , and hardware vendors constantly releasing new hardware that makes the situation worse.I 'm for selecting a few hardware interfaces and stating clearly that these are supported , then doing our stinking best to ensure that no upgrade breaks things on that hardware .
For any other hardware , support can be best-effort.This will provide two benefits : first , it will provide users with clear information on what to expect , and gives them the option to choose for smooth upgrades .
Secondly , it will provide an incentive to hardware makers to make their new hardware be interface-compatible with previous iterations , lessening the unnecessary burden on driver writers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the problem is the myriad of possible hardware combinations, with each piece of hardware needing different instructions from the next piece that does the same thing, and hardware vendors constantly releasing new hardware that makes the situation worse.I'm for selecting a few hardware interfaces and stating clearly that these are supported, then doing our stinking best to ensure that no upgrade breaks things on that hardware.
For any other hardware, support can be best-effort.This will provide two benefits: first, it will provide users with clear information on what to expect, and gives them the option to choose for smooth upgrades.
Secondly, it will provide an incentive to hardware makers to make their new hardware be interface-compatible with previous iterations, lessening the unnecessary burden on driver writers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971010</id>
	<title>No problems here, on two computers</title>
	<author>shellster\_dude</author>
	<datestamp>1257252600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded to Karmic Koala on one box, and did a fresh, full ubuntu install on my EEEPC of Karmic, and I have had absolutely no problems.  It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers, and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before, in Jaunty.  In fact, this is the first ubuntu upgrade that I have never had any issues with.  I have been using Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to Karmic Koala on one box , and did a fresh , full ubuntu install on my EEEPC of Karmic , and I have had absolutely no problems .
It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers , and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before , in Jaunty .
In fact , this is the first ubuntu upgrade that I have never had any issues with .
I have been using Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to Karmic Koala on one box, and did a fresh, full ubuntu install on my EEEPC of Karmic, and I have had absolutely no problems.
It even recognized my Atheros wifi and ethernet cards which I had previously had to custom compile the ethernet drivers, and install backported intrepid drivers for the wifi before, in Jaunty.
In fact, this is the first ubuntu upgrade that I have never had any issues with.
I have been using Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971152</id>
	<title>Grub 2 Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257253200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Grub 2 seems to spend 4-5 seconds hammering disks while "Grub Loading..." is displayed. That sure eats into any boot time savings.</p><p>Also, the Grub 2 boot selection screen looks primitive, no other way to say it.</p><p>Finally, Grub 2 no longer uses our old friend<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot/grub/menu.lst, so one needs to research to find where the files are now, edit one of them, then run update-grub to ensure the change is propagated.</p><p>And then there was the screen flickering.</p><p>8 hours of bad road, and I haven't yet started using the damn thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grub 2 seems to spend 4-5 seconds hammering disks while " Grub Loading... " is displayed .
That sure eats into any boot time savings.Also , the Grub 2 boot selection screen looks primitive , no other way to say it.Finally , Grub 2 no longer uses our old friend /boot/grub/menu.lst , so one needs to research to find where the files are now , edit one of them , then run update-grub to ensure the change is propagated.And then there was the screen flickering.8 hours of bad road , and I have n't yet started using the damn thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grub 2 seems to spend 4-5 seconds hammering disks while "Grub Loading..." is displayed.
That sure eats into any boot time savings.Also, the Grub 2 boot selection screen looks primitive, no other way to say it.Finally, Grub 2 no longer uses our old friend /boot/grub/menu.lst, so one needs to research to find where the files are now, edit one of them, then run update-grub to ensure the change is propagated.And then there was the screen flickering.8 hours of bad road, and I haven't yet started using the damn thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973346</id>
	<title>Re:I've installed it on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257268200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an eeePC 1000. I had the netbook flavor of the  9.10 beta installed and had no problems. Lots of updates but then it was a beta. i noticed that theres an ubuntu 9.10 moblin flavor so I had to try it out. I liked the look and feel of the ui  but  missing features suck as bookmarks and no packages for generic evolution(didnt like the moblinized evolution client ui) and no firefox(for bookmarks and addons) and general flakiness( web browser crashing to desktop, random mutter crashes and booting to login) kept me from keeping it for every day use. after i got tired of moblin, I installed the desktop flavor of the 9.10 RC and havent had any problems since.</p><p>through all these installations  I have used the user home directory encryption option in the installer.  My primary activities on this machine are web browsing, ie slashdot post whoring, and watching movies on hulu. Cant say I have had any new problems w/ flash or anything else for that matter with this installation. everything has just worked  great. battery life has seemed a little better with 9.10 over 9.04.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an eeePC 1000 .
I had the netbook flavor of the 9.10 beta installed and had no problems .
Lots of updates but then it was a beta .
i noticed that theres an ubuntu 9.10 moblin flavor so I had to try it out .
I liked the look and feel of the ui but missing features suck as bookmarks and no packages for generic evolution ( didnt like the moblinized evolution client ui ) and no firefox ( for bookmarks and addons ) and general flakiness ( web browser crashing to desktop , random mutter crashes and booting to login ) kept me from keeping it for every day use .
after i got tired of moblin , I installed the desktop flavor of the 9.10 RC and havent had any problems since.through all these installations I have used the user home directory encryption option in the installer .
My primary activities on this machine are web browsing , ie slashdot post whoring , and watching movies on hulu .
Cant say I have had any new problems w/ flash or anything else for that matter with this installation .
everything has just worked great .
battery life has seemed a little better with 9.10 over 9.04 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an eeePC 1000.
I had the netbook flavor of the  9.10 beta installed and had no problems.
Lots of updates but then it was a beta.
i noticed that theres an ubuntu 9.10 moblin flavor so I had to try it out.
I liked the look and feel of the ui  but  missing features suck as bookmarks and no packages for generic evolution(didnt like the moblinized evolution client ui) and no firefox(for bookmarks and addons) and general flakiness( web browser crashing to desktop, random mutter crashes and booting to login) kept me from keeping it for every day use.
after i got tired of moblin, I installed the desktop flavor of the 9.10 RC and havent had any problems since.through all these installations  I have used the user home directory encryption option in the installer.
My primary activities on this machine are web browsing, ie slashdot post whoring, and watching movies on hulu.
Cant say I have had any new problems w/ flash or anything else for that matter with this installation.
everything has just worked  great.
battery life has seemed a little better with 9.10 over 9.04.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971044</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This fixed my no sound devices detected issue.  Looks like it's because grub is using the wrong kernel.<br>http://mondotech.blogspot.com/2009/10/ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-upgrade-no.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This fixed my no sound devices detected issue .
Looks like it 's because grub is using the wrong kernel.http : //mondotech.blogspot.com/2009/10/ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-upgrade-no.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This fixed my no sound devices detected issue.
Looks like it's because grub is using the wrong kernel.http://mondotech.blogspot.com/2009/10/ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-upgrade-no.html</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971856</id>
	<title>Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257256740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Palimpsest (the disk utility) is defective by design. The developer second guessed the threshold parameters recommended by the disk manufacturers so gives false positives for (e.g.) Seagate and Hitachi drives. [What a wanker.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Palimpsest ( the disk utility ) is defective by design .
The developer second guessed the threshold parameters recommended by the disk manufacturers so gives false positives for ( e.g .
) Seagate and Hitachi drives .
[ What a wanker .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palimpsest (the disk utility) is defective by design.
The developer second guessed the threshold parameters recommended by the disk manufacturers so gives false positives for (e.g.
) Seagate and Hitachi drives.
[What a wanker.
]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975176</id>
	<title>Worked for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typing this on an acer netbook freshly updated to Karmic netbook remix - updates downloaded slowly but it all installed and is working fine. Desktop and HTPC/server to follow soon...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typing this on an acer netbook freshly updated to Karmic netbook remix - updates downloaded slowly but it all installed and is working fine .
Desktop and HTPC/server to follow soon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typing this on an acer netbook freshly updated to Karmic netbook remix - updates downloaded slowly but it all installed and is working fine.
Desktop and HTPC/server to follow soon...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970606</id>
	<title>went smooth for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on Saturday morning with no issues.  I don't have any weird repos installed and only used Ubuntu supported software.  Hey how many times have you completely hosed an RPM based system with unnecessary software?  I'm imagining the users with problems installed a whole ton of shit which isn't supported in mainline Ubuntu, using non supported repos etc....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on Saturday morning with no issues .
I do n't have any weird repos installed and only used Ubuntu supported software .
Hey how many times have you completely hosed an RPM based system with unnecessary software ?
I 'm imagining the users with problems installed a whole ton of shit which is n't supported in mainline Ubuntu , using non supported repos etc... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on Saturday morning with no issues.
I don't have any weird repos installed and only used Ubuntu supported software.
Hey how many times have you completely hosed an RPM based system with unnecessary software?
I'm imagining the users with problems installed a whole ton of shit which isn't supported in mainline Ubuntu, using non supported repos etc....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971922</id>
	<title>Tried it - but facebook doesn't work right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257257100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tried to get my wife to make the switch to Karmic Koala.  She's back on XP since some parts of facebook didn't work on linux, even with the non-free components installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tried to get my wife to make the switch to Karmic Koala .
She 's back on XP since some parts of facebook did n't work on linux , even with the non-free components installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tried to get my wife to make the switch to Karmic Koala.
She's back on XP since some parts of facebook didn't work on linux, even with the non-free components installed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970682</id>
	<title>Stand-by</title>
	<author>cm613</author>
	<datestamp>1257251460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an Acer laptop and I have problems going to stand-by and reanimating from stand-by.  I need to hard boot and already once it came back up with filesystem errors.  Pretty frustrating.  I haven't had any of the problems noted above.  For now I'll just start up and shut down every time even though it takes way longer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an Acer laptop and I have problems going to stand-by and reanimating from stand-by .
I need to hard boot and already once it came back up with filesystem errors .
Pretty frustrating .
I have n't had any of the problems noted above .
For now I 'll just start up and shut down every time even though it takes way longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an Acer laptop and I have problems going to stand-by and reanimating from stand-by.
I need to hard boot and already once it came back up with filesystem errors.
Pretty frustrating.
I haven't had any of the problems noted above.
For now I'll just start up and shut down every time even though it takes way longer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971548</id>
	<title>My anecdote</title>
	<author>jareth-0205</author>
	<datestamp>1257255000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded two desktops and one laptop from 9.04 to 9.10. One work perfectly (infact better than before, a sound recording bug was fixed). One has issues with Spotify+Wine but otherwise ok. One had a wifi process go crazy once and require a reboot, but has been fine since.</p><p>First impressions is it's not their best ever release. But if I remember correctly, these sorts of issues often happen with Ubuntu releases and get fixed within a few weeks. I'm not overly shocked....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded two desktops and one laptop from 9.04 to 9.10 .
One work perfectly ( infact better than before , a sound recording bug was fixed ) .
One has issues with Spotify + Wine but otherwise ok. One had a wifi process go crazy once and require a reboot , but has been fine since.First impressions is it 's not their best ever release .
But if I remember correctly , these sorts of issues often happen with Ubuntu releases and get fixed within a few weeks .
I 'm not overly shocked... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded two desktops and one laptop from 9.04 to 9.10.
One work perfectly (infact better than before, a sound recording bug was fixed).
One has issues with Spotify+Wine but otherwise ok. One had a wifi process go crazy once and require a reboot, but has been fine since.First impressions is it's not their best ever release.
But if I remember correctly, these sorts of issues often happen with Ubuntu releases and get fixed within a few weeks.
I'm not overly shocked....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979196</id>
	<title>moderately smooth upgrade</title>
	<author>azmodean+1</author>
	<datestamp>1257007980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the plural of anecdote is... a slashdot thread?<p>
Anyway, my upgrade was moderately smooth, I had several issues, which were mostly caused by Ubuntu not gracefully handling changes I had made behind its back, but nothing I couldn't work around YMMV.</p><p>

1. boot failure.</p><p>
  Cause: Grub entries were updated to use the UUID of my root partition, but Ubuntu picked the 'wrong' partition because I have two roots (backup) and one of them was corrupted (I didn't say it was a GOOD backup...)</p><p>
  Solution:  Manually correct grub entries (This is the most questionable fix, I happen to have mucked around in the grub internals and done semi-embedded grub installs, so I'm quite a bit more expert at this than most.)</p><p>
  Reason it's my fault:  I have a completely non-standard partition layout that confused the upgrader, also it warned me about the changes during the upgrade but I ignored the warnings.</p><p>
2. Mozilla apps would not start</p><p>
  Cause: I use several Mozilla apps (Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird), and install from tarballs, the update finally removed libsdtc++.so.5 (which was obsoleted a year or more ago.) and all the Mozilla apps depend on it.</p><p>
  Workaround:  Downloaded a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb containing libstdc++.so.5 and installed it until I get around to updating all my Mozilla installs.</p><p>
  Reason it's my fault:  I intentionally maintain my Mozilla installs manually, so it's my responsibility to do the maintenance on them, I assume the Mozilla apps Ubuntu ship with Karmic don't have this problem.</p><p>
3. Songbird still wouldn't boot after the libstdc++.so.5 fix.</p><p>
  Cause:  The gstreamer libs that ship with Songbird somehow conflict with the ones shipped with Ubuntu... maybe?  See <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/topics/songbird\_fails\_to\_start\_on\_fedora\_11\_with\_undefined\_symbol\_in\_libgstdeinterlace\_so" title="getsatisfaction.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [getsatisfaction.com] for discussion, also where I found the solution after about 5 minutes of searching.</p><p>
  Workaround:  Do "export LD\_BIND\_NOW=1" before launching Songbird.  On one hand this is an expert fix and I don't expect most people to know what it does, on the other hand I got it off an official help forum, so YMMVBPNBM.</p><p>
4. Sound would not play.</p><p>
  Cause:  Changes to audio stack caused upgrade process to mute audio.</p><p>
  Solution:  Unmute audio. (This would have been far more obvious if I used a "normal" window manager that has a volume panel widget, I use ion3)</p><p>
So, as you can see I did have some issues, but they were mostly self-inflicted, and I had little problem fixing them or working around them.  (Spent something like 30 minutes post-upgrade sorting out the issues.)</p><p>
P.S. Tried to end with "My 2 cents", but with "cents" rendered symbolically...  Unicode didn't work, the html escape sequence for it didn't work, tried to use brackets in a previous P.S., and the html escape sequence for them didn't work either...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the plural of anecdote is... a slashdot thread ?
Anyway , my upgrade was moderately smooth , I had several issues , which were mostly caused by Ubuntu not gracefully handling changes I had made behind its back , but nothing I could n't work around YMMV .
1. boot failure .
Cause : Grub entries were updated to use the UUID of my root partition , but Ubuntu picked the 'wrong ' partition because I have two roots ( backup ) and one of them was corrupted ( I did n't say it was a GOOD backup... ) Solution : Manually correct grub entries ( This is the most questionable fix , I happen to have mucked around in the grub internals and done semi-embedded grub installs , so I 'm quite a bit more expert at this than most .
) Reason it 's my fault : I have a completely non-standard partition layout that confused the upgrader , also it warned me about the changes during the upgrade but I ignored the warnings .
2. Mozilla apps would not start Cause : I use several Mozilla apps ( Firefox , Thunderbird , Songbird ) , and install from tarballs , the update finally removed libsdtc + + .so.5 ( which was obsoleted a year or more ago .
) and all the Mozilla apps depend on it .
Workaround : Downloaded a .deb containing libstdc + + .so.5 and installed it until I get around to updating all my Mozilla installs .
Reason it 's my fault : I intentionally maintain my Mozilla installs manually , so it 's my responsibility to do the maintenance on them , I assume the Mozilla apps Ubuntu ship with Karmic do n't have this problem .
3. Songbird still would n't boot after the libstdc + + .so.5 fix .
Cause : The gstreamer libs that ship with Songbird somehow conflict with the ones shipped with Ubuntu... maybe ? See here [ getsatisfaction.com ] for discussion , also where I found the solution after about 5 minutes of searching .
Workaround : Do " export LD \ _BIND \ _NOW = 1 " before launching Songbird .
On one hand this is an expert fix and I do n't expect most people to know what it does , on the other hand I got it off an official help forum , so YMMVBPNBM .
4. Sound would not play .
Cause : Changes to audio stack caused upgrade process to mute audio .
Solution : Unmute audio .
( This would have been far more obvious if I used a " normal " window manager that has a volume panel widget , I use ion3 ) So , as you can see I did have some issues , but they were mostly self-inflicted , and I had little problem fixing them or working around them .
( Spent something like 30 minutes post-upgrade sorting out the issues .
) P.S .
Tried to end with " My 2 cents " , but with " cents " rendered symbolically... Unicode did n't work , the html escape sequence for it did n't work , tried to use brackets in a previous P.S. , and the html escape sequence for them did n't work either.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the plural of anecdote is... a slashdot thread?
Anyway, my upgrade was moderately smooth, I had several issues, which were mostly caused by Ubuntu not gracefully handling changes I had made behind its back, but nothing I couldn't work around YMMV.
1. boot failure.
Cause: Grub entries were updated to use the UUID of my root partition, but Ubuntu picked the 'wrong' partition because I have two roots (backup) and one of them was corrupted (I didn't say it was a GOOD backup...)
  Solution:  Manually correct grub entries (This is the most questionable fix, I happen to have mucked around in the grub internals and done semi-embedded grub installs, so I'm quite a bit more expert at this than most.
)
  Reason it's my fault:  I have a completely non-standard partition layout that confused the upgrader, also it warned me about the changes during the upgrade but I ignored the warnings.
2. Mozilla apps would not start
  Cause: I use several Mozilla apps (Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird), and install from tarballs, the update finally removed libsdtc++.so.5 (which was obsoleted a year or more ago.
) and all the Mozilla apps depend on it.
Workaround:  Downloaded a .deb containing libstdc++.so.5 and installed it until I get around to updating all my Mozilla installs.
Reason it's my fault:  I intentionally maintain my Mozilla installs manually, so it's my responsibility to do the maintenance on them, I assume the Mozilla apps Ubuntu ship with Karmic don't have this problem.
3. Songbird still wouldn't boot after the libstdc++.so.5 fix.
Cause:  The gstreamer libs that ship with Songbird somehow conflict with the ones shipped with Ubuntu... maybe?  See here [getsatisfaction.com] for discussion, also where I found the solution after about 5 minutes of searching.
Workaround:  Do "export LD\_BIND\_NOW=1" before launching Songbird.
On one hand this is an expert fix and I don't expect most people to know what it does, on the other hand I got it off an official help forum, so YMMVBPNBM.
4. Sound would not play.
Cause:  Changes to audio stack caused upgrade process to mute audio.
Solution:  Unmute audio.
(This would have been far more obvious if I used a "normal" window manager that has a volume panel widget, I use ion3)
So, as you can see I did have some issues, but they were mostly self-inflicted, and I had little problem fixing them or working around them.
(Spent something like 30 minutes post-upgrade sorting out the issues.
)
P.S.
Tried to end with "My 2 cents", but with "cents" rendered symbolically...  Unicode didn't work, the html escape sequence for it didn't work, tried to use brackets in a previous P.S., and the html escape sequence for them didn't work either...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29984220</id>
	<title>Netscape?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ugh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ugh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ugh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972686</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257262500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded an ASUS Netbook with the Netbook Remix - no problems. In fact it goes really well. Better user inteface, well prettier and it seems faster. Shutdown is super fast.</p><p>
&nbsp; Updated my desktop with a Nvidia graphics card and I get the screen go blank - actually no output from the graphics port (monitor says "No Signal") shortly after startup. Somewhat painful after all the previous successful updates. I fould that if I started in recovery mode and at a command line did a startx I didn't get the problem. Haven't tested any further after that to see if it fixed it.</p><p>Oh, re all the rubbish about "thats why linux hasn't". I have never done a Window upgrade that worked. I have always had to resort to re-installing Windows, re-installing the apps etc. One reason I like Linux is that even if you have to get desperate and totally re-install it your applications still work. They don't need re-installing. The other reason I tolerate the occasional hiccup is - what do you want for free! I get the same problems with Windows but I have to pay for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded an ASUS Netbook with the Netbook Remix - no problems .
In fact it goes really well .
Better user inteface , well prettier and it seems faster .
Shutdown is super fast .
  Updated my desktop with a Nvidia graphics card and I get the screen go blank - actually no output from the graphics port ( monitor says " No Signal " ) shortly after startup .
Somewhat painful after all the previous successful updates .
I fould that if I started in recovery mode and at a command line did a startx I did n't get the problem .
Have n't tested any further after that to see if it fixed it.Oh , re all the rubbish about " thats why linux has n't " .
I have never done a Window upgrade that worked .
I have always had to resort to re-installing Windows , re-installing the apps etc .
One reason I like Linux is that even if you have to get desperate and totally re-install it your applications still work .
They do n't need re-installing .
The other reason I tolerate the occasional hiccup is - what do you want for free !
I get the same problems with Windows but I have to pay for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded an ASUS Netbook with the Netbook Remix - no problems.
In fact it goes really well.
Better user inteface, well prettier and it seems faster.
Shutdown is super fast.
  Updated my desktop with a Nvidia graphics card and I get the screen go blank - actually no output from the graphics port (monitor says "No Signal") shortly after startup.
Somewhat painful after all the previous successful updates.
I fould that if I started in recovery mode and at a command line did a startx I didn't get the problem.
Haven't tested any further after that to see if it fixed it.Oh, re all the rubbish about "thats why linux hasn't".
I have never done a Window upgrade that worked.
I have always had to resort to re-installing Windows, re-installing the apps etc.
One reason I like Linux is that even if you have to get desperate and totally re-install it your applications still work.
They don't need re-installing.
The other reason I tolerate the occasional hiccup is - what do you want for free!
I get the same problems with Windows but I have to pay for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971556</id>
	<title>4 machines as advertised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257255060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All 4 of mine work great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All 4 of mine work great .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All 4 of mine work great ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972300</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>wintrmute</author>
	<datestamp>1257259620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And likewise, I've upgraded two desktops and two servers and installed two fresh desktops, and they've all gone smoothly.</p><p>Not only did the upgrades go well, but they resolved several outstanding issues (ie. Dreadful performance with Intel gfx chipsets; a pci-express wifi chipset that crashed often on "noise floor calibration" and a realtek gigabit ethernet chipset which crashed whenever you transferred more than 10-20 mbyte of data.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And likewise , I 've upgraded two desktops and two servers and installed two fresh desktops , and they 've all gone smoothly.Not only did the upgrades go well , but they resolved several outstanding issues ( ie .
Dreadful performance with Intel gfx chipsets ; a pci-express wifi chipset that crashed often on " noise floor calibration " and a realtek gigabit ethernet chipset which crashed whenever you transferred more than 10-20 mbyte of data .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And likewise, I've upgraded two desktops and two servers and installed two fresh desktops, and they've all gone smoothly.Not only did the upgrades go well, but they resolved several outstanding issues (ie.
Dreadful performance with Intel gfx chipsets; a pci-express wifi chipset that crashed often on "noise floor calibration" and a realtek gigabit ethernet chipset which crashed whenever you transferred more than 10-20 mbyte of data.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972456</id>
	<title>I've gotten it working pretty well.</title>
	<author>TxRv</author>
	<datestamp>1257260760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It works fine for me on a ThinkPad.

I'm not too happy with some of the "user-friendly" features, as Iswitched to Linux because I like to have control over my machine, but once Ifixed the usual flash issues and got rid of that awful user list on the login splash I'm really happy with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It works fine for me on a ThinkPad .
I 'm not too happy with some of the " user-friendly " features , as Iswitched to Linux because I like to have control over my machine , but once Ifixed the usual flash issues and got rid of that awful user list on the login splash I 'm really happy with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works fine for me on a ThinkPad.
I'm not too happy with some of the "user-friendly" features, as Iswitched to Linux because I like to have control over my machine, but once Ifixed the usual flash issues and got rid of that awful user list on the login splash I'm really happy with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972326</id>
	<title>waiting..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257259860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think ill wait for sp1 to come out...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think ill wait for sp1 to come out.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think ill wait for sp1 to come out...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30114296</id>
	<title>To Hell With It</title>
	<author>mountainman2307</author>
	<datestamp>1258380360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, it's not an LTS, big deal. Isn't that what open-source is all about? I'm not going to rely on Canonical to maintain my computer, I'm going to fix the damn problem.
For example, Win3.1 still has software/drivers being written for it.

But to be on topic, my upgrade from 9.04 was mostly flawless. I did have a few kernel conflicts after resuming from sleep mode, but nothing more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it 's not an LTS , big deal .
Is n't that what open-source is all about ?
I 'm not going to rely on Canonical to maintain my computer , I 'm going to fix the damn problem .
For example , Win3.1 still has software/drivers being written for it .
But to be on topic , my upgrade from 9.04 was mostly flawless .
I did have a few kernel conflicts after resuming from sleep mode , but nothing more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it's not an LTS, big deal.
Isn't that what open-source is all about?
I'm not going to rely on Canonical to maintain my computer, I'm going to fix the damn problem.
For example, Win3.1 still has software/drivers being written for it.
But to be on topic, my upgrade from 9.04 was mostly flawless.
I did have a few kernel conflicts after resuming from sleep mode, but nothing more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972102</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>jmv</author>
	<datestamp>1257258420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ouch. I thought Jaunty was already pretty bad. I guess I'll give Fedora another try.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ouch .
I thought Jaunty was already pretty bad .
I guess I 'll give Fedora another try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ouch.
I thought Jaunty was already pretty bad.
I guess I'll give Fedora another try.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976914</id>
	<title>Stack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded to Karmik from 9.04 on which I had all updates installed. Works like a charm. Even better drivers for intel graphic chipset works very smooth now. I have not seen any problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded to Karmik from 9.04 on which I had all updates installed .
Works like a charm .
Even better drivers for intel graphic chipset works very smooth now .
I have not seen any problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded to Karmik from 9.04 on which I had all updates installed.
Works like a charm.
Even better drivers for intel graphic chipset works very smooth now.
I have not seen any problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972644</id>
	<title>Works for me</title>
	<author>spinkham</author>
	<datestamp>1257262140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 2 fresh installs and 1 upgraded from jaunty, and they all work fine for me..  In fact, they work much better then the previous version on my laptop with Intel x4500 integrated video.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 2 fresh installs and 1 upgraded from jaunty , and they all work fine for me.. In fact , they work much better then the previous version on my laptop with Intel x4500 integrated video .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 2 fresh installs and 1 upgraded from jaunty, and they all work fine for me..  In fact, they work much better then the previous version on my laptop with Intel x4500 integrated video.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972786</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257263460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+2 to this post. <br>
&nbsp; <br>I blame my 16hr grad school days for the fact that I didn't notice that grub failed to update. Once I booted to the new kernel, sound is back and working. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Thanks a bunch to you and the AC above. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Incidentally, this is why I like open source software, and why I like slashdot. We get posts with issues, and we get posts with fixes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 2 to this post .
  I blame my 16hr grad school days for the fact that I did n't notice that grub failed to update .
Once I booted to the new kernel , sound is back and working .
  Thanks a bunch to you and the AC above .
  Incidentally , this is why I like open source software , and why I like slashdot .
We get posts with issues , and we get posts with fixes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+2 to this post.
  I blame my 16hr grad school days for the fact that I didn't notice that grub failed to update.
Once I booted to the new kernel, sound is back and working.
  Thanks a bunch to you and the AC above.
  Incidentally, this is why I like open source software, and why I like slashdot.
We get posts with issues, and we get posts with fixes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971898</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257256980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The forthcoming release of Mandriva 2010.0 will ship with "Quickboot" enabled. It has caused a lot of problems with USB devices. How long before people start complaining their USB devices don't work properly, and their USB sticks can't be mounted. The "fix" will be to download a proposed update to disable quickboot, no roll-out before release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The forthcoming release of Mandriva 2010.0 will ship with " Quickboot " enabled .
It has caused a lot of problems with USB devices .
How long before people start complaining their USB devices do n't work properly , and their USB sticks ca n't be mounted .
The " fix " will be to download a proposed update to disable quickboot , no roll-out before release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The forthcoming release of Mandriva 2010.0 will ship with "Quickboot" enabled.
It has caused a lot of problems with USB devices.
How long before people start complaining their USB devices don't work properly, and their USB sticks can't be mounted.
The "fix" will be to download a proposed update to disable quickboot, no roll-out before release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975314</id>
	<title>Works great for me</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1256982540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both on the server and on the desktop. Actually, I threw away VMWare ESXi 4.0.0 I was testing on one of my non-production machines. At this point KVM is more stable with my set of guests, and easier to manage too (doesn't need Windows to run management tools). VMWare would hang the host when running FreeBSD 8 sometimes. Not acceptable.</p><p>As a matter of fact, I'm posting this from Karmic. If you can't tolerate a little roughness around the edges, wait for a month or two. Heck, even with Windows you have to wait for an SP1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both on the server and on the desktop .
Actually , I threw away VMWare ESXi 4.0.0 I was testing on one of my non-production machines .
At this point KVM is more stable with my set of guests , and easier to manage too ( does n't need Windows to run management tools ) .
VMWare would hang the host when running FreeBSD 8 sometimes .
Not acceptable.As a matter of fact , I 'm posting this from Karmic .
If you ca n't tolerate a little roughness around the edges , wait for a month or two .
Heck , even with Windows you have to wait for an SP1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both on the server and on the desktop.
Actually, I threw away VMWare ESXi 4.0.0 I was testing on one of my non-production machines.
At this point KVM is more stable with my set of guests, and easier to manage too (doesn't need Windows to run management tools).
VMWare would hang the host when running FreeBSD 8 sometimes.
Not acceptable.As a matter of fact, I'm posting this from Karmic.
If you can't tolerate a little roughness around the edges, wait for a month or two.
Heck, even with Windows you have to wait for an SP1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970170</id>
	<title>Parallels Desktop</title>
	<author>allometry</author>
	<datestamp>1257249720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't get the install to complete in Parallels Desktop. Have had issues with installing in Virtual Box. Went back to using 9.04 until this gets resolved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't get the install to complete in Parallels Desktop .
Have had issues with installing in Virtual Box .
Went back to using 9.04 until this gets resolved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't get the install to complete in Parallels Desktop.
Have had issues with installing in Virtual Box.
Went back to using 9.04 until this gets resolved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970374</id>
	<title>Installing, but not upgrading</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1257250320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have installed Karmic from scratch on my new computer (I have in fact put off the installation for a month in order to wait for the release).</p><p>Even that has been pretty nasty, but a lot of that is down to non-standard options (had to boot the installer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso from grub, download Nvidia drivers, fix xorg.conf, install mouse and kbd packages).</p><p>With that, and the complaints I've been hearing about the upgrade path, I'm not going to upgrade my laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have installed Karmic from scratch on my new computer ( I have in fact put off the installation for a month in order to wait for the release ) .Even that has been pretty nasty , but a lot of that is down to non-standard options ( had to boot the installer .iso from grub , download Nvidia drivers , fix xorg.conf , install mouse and kbd packages ) .With that , and the complaints I 've been hearing about the upgrade path , I 'm not going to upgrade my laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have installed Karmic from scratch on my new computer (I have in fact put off the installation for a month in order to wait for the release).Even that has been pretty nasty, but a lot of that is down to non-standard options (had to boot the installer .iso from grub, download Nvidia drivers, fix xorg.conf, install mouse and kbd packages).With that, and the complaints I've been hearing about the upgrade path, I'm not going to upgrade my laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973958</id>
	<title>They've broken DNS</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1257272400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have a look at <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/417757" title="launchpad.net">this gem</a> [launchpad.net]. Because of IPv6 DNS lookups going nowhere, and the thing waiting for them to time-out, you get 2-4 second delays on every name resolution. Happy browsing!</p><p>In practice, people are <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1312883" title="ubuntuforums.org">not</a> [ubuntuforums.org] <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1312082" title="ubuntuforums.org">amused</a> [ubuntuforums.org].</p><p>What more, the bug is 2 months old - and it shipped in Karmic, still rated "undecided", and not assigned to anyone. Really?</p><p>I also had a chuckle out of this comment to the bug:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I agree it is a pretty serious issue for many and by no way mean to imply windows is anything but a well polished turd.</p></div><p>It's kinda sad that the person feels obliged to "apologize" for pointing out a serious deficiency like that.</p><p>On a minor side, there's issue with <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/379761" title="launchpad.net">font smoothing settings in Firefox</a> [launchpad.net]. Workaround? Edit ~/.fonts.conf - wonderful, just wonderful. When did I last see a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comment claiming that, no, you really no longer need to edit config files in Linux by hand?</p><p>Sorry for being somewhat bitter... despite my background, I was looking forward to this release - not the least because it finally has Eclipse 3.5 in repositories (it used to be 3.2 in 3 previous major releases, lagging 3 major versions behind mainstream...). And straight away I run into crap like this, all while a bunch of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. muppets keep sticking fingers in their ears and going, "it works for me, PBCAK, lalala, can't hear you!".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have a look at this gem [ launchpad.net ] .
Because of IPv6 DNS lookups going nowhere , and the thing waiting for them to time-out , you get 2-4 second delays on every name resolution .
Happy browsing ! In practice , people are not [ ubuntuforums.org ] amused [ ubuntuforums.org ] .What more , the bug is 2 months old - and it shipped in Karmic , still rated " undecided " , and not assigned to anyone .
Really ? I also had a chuckle out of this comment to the bug : I agree it is a pretty serious issue for many and by no way mean to imply windows is anything but a well polished turd.It 's kinda sad that the person feels obliged to " apologize " for pointing out a serious deficiency like that.On a minor side , there 's issue with font smoothing settings in Firefox [ launchpad.net ] .
Workaround ? Edit ~ /.fonts.conf - wonderful , just wonderful .
When did I last see a / .
comment claiming that , no , you really no longer need to edit config files in Linux by hand ? Sorry for being somewhat bitter... despite my background , I was looking forward to this release - not the least because it finally has Eclipse 3.5 in repositories ( it used to be 3.2 in 3 previous major releases , lagging 3 major versions behind mainstream... ) .
And straight away I run into crap like this , all while a bunch of / .
muppets keep sticking fingers in their ears and going , " it works for me , PBCAK , lalala , ca n't hear you !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have a look at this gem [launchpad.net].
Because of IPv6 DNS lookups going nowhere, and the thing waiting for them to time-out, you get 2-4 second delays on every name resolution.
Happy browsing!In practice, people are not [ubuntuforums.org] amused [ubuntuforums.org].What more, the bug is 2 months old - and it shipped in Karmic, still rated "undecided", and not assigned to anyone.
Really?I also had a chuckle out of this comment to the bug:I agree it is a pretty serious issue for many and by no way mean to imply windows is anything but a well polished turd.It's kinda sad that the person feels obliged to "apologize" for pointing out a serious deficiency like that.On a minor side, there's issue with font smoothing settings in Firefox [launchpad.net].
Workaround? Edit ~/.fonts.conf - wonderful, just wonderful.
When did I last see a /.
comment claiming that, no, you really no longer need to edit config files in Linux by hand?Sorry for being somewhat bitter... despite my background, I was looking forward to this release - not the least because it finally has Eclipse 3.5 in repositories (it used to be 3.2 in 3 previous major releases, lagging 3 major versions behind mainstream...).
And straight away I run into crap like this, all while a bunch of /.
muppets keep sticking fingers in their ears and going, "it works for me, PBCAK, lalala, can't hear you!
".
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971318</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>frisket</author>
	<datestamp>1257253920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed Karmic on my old Dell desktop the other day and it's been remarkably free of problems. It got my vNivia Geforce4 screen working properly first shot, which neither of the two previous releases could do at all (they just hung). Two critical (for me) packages were omitted (KPDF and KDVI) but that's not Ubuntu's fault: KDE changed the game. The only serious flaw was an apparently buggy GTK that led to Emacs22's dynamic menus failing to update (there's a simple workaround). Otherwise it's been trouble-free, and faster than 8.04, so I just installed it on a Dell laptop, and it's fine there too. But both of these were complete wipe-and-installs, not upgrades. I got bitten by an upgrade once: never again. I just watched a colleague installing Windows 7, which caused more trouble than it is worth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Karmic on my old Dell desktop the other day and it 's been remarkably free of problems .
It got my vNivia Geforce4 screen working properly first shot , which neither of the two previous releases could do at all ( they just hung ) .
Two critical ( for me ) packages were omitted ( KPDF and KDVI ) but that 's not Ubuntu 's fault : KDE changed the game .
The only serious flaw was an apparently buggy GTK that led to Emacs22 's dynamic menus failing to update ( there 's a simple workaround ) .
Otherwise it 's been trouble-free , and faster than 8.04 , so I just installed it on a Dell laptop , and it 's fine there too .
But both of these were complete wipe-and-installs , not upgrades .
I got bitten by an upgrade once : never again .
I just watched a colleague installing Windows 7 , which caused more trouble than it is worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Karmic on my old Dell desktop the other day and it's been remarkably free of problems.
It got my vNivia Geforce4 screen working properly first shot, which neither of the two previous releases could do at all (they just hung).
Two critical (for me) packages were omitted (KPDF and KDVI) but that's not Ubuntu's fault: KDE changed the game.
The only serious flaw was an apparently buggy GTK that led to Emacs22's dynamic menus failing to update (there's a simple workaround).
Otherwise it's been trouble-free, and faster than 8.04, so I just installed it on a Dell laptop, and it's fine there too.
But both of these were complete wipe-and-installs, not upgrades.
I got bitten by an upgrade once: never again.
I just watched a colleague installing Windows 7, which caused more trouble than it is worth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973254</id>
	<title>9.10's Bad on both my machines! All worked on 9.04</title>
	<author>hovercycle</author>
	<datestamp>1257267480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fuck... Maybe I should try slackware 13 on my new computer! Matter of fact I kinda miss it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck... Maybe I should try slackware 13 on my new computer !
Matter of fact I kinda miss it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck... Maybe I should try slackware 13 on my new computer!
Matter of fact I kinda miss it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969862</id>
	<title>I am one of the early adopters</title>
	<author>sir lox elroy</author>
	<datestamp>1257248700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did an in-place upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10.  Some of the problems I have seen.  k8temp module not working.  Random crashing applets.  Stability wise those are my only complaints.  I have other functionality complaints, but that is for another day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did an in-place upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 .
Some of the problems I have seen .
k8temp module not working .
Random crashing applets .
Stability wise those are my only complaints .
I have other functionality complaints , but that is for another day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did an in-place upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10.
Some of the problems I have seen.
k8temp module not working.
Random crashing applets.
Stability wise those are my only complaints.
I have other functionality complaints, but that is for another day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969666</id>
	<title>Bias</title>
	<author>Bratmon</author>
	<datestamp>1257248220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously, if you try an OS within 2-3 days after release, there's going to be somebody with problems.  There are tons of people who it works fine, so they didn't bother to post anywhere.

For me, the upgrade worked perfectly, and now my sound card works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , if you try an OS within 2-3 days after release , there 's going to be somebody with problems .
There are tons of people who it works fine , so they did n't bother to post anywhere .
For me , the upgrade worked perfectly , and now my sound card works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, if you try an OS within 2-3 days after release, there's going to be somebody with problems.
There are tons of people who it works fine, so they didn't bother to post anywhere.
For me, the upgrade worked perfectly, and now my sound card works.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969806</id>
	<title>Only Use LTS</title>
	<author>peterindistantland</author>
	<datestamp>1257248520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Both Intrepid and a brief trial of Jaunty hurt me badly, now I just stick with 8.04 LTS, the only Ubuntu version that can be trusted. Fortunately backports are plenty out there. 6 months releasing cycles are a joke. Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Intrepid and a brief trial of Jaunty hurt me badly , now I just stick with 8.04 LTS , the only Ubuntu version that can be trusted .
Fortunately backports are plenty out there .
6 months releasing cycles are a joke .
Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Intrepid and a brief trial of Jaunty hurt me badly, now I just stick with 8.04 LTS, the only Ubuntu version that can be trusted.
Fortunately backports are plenty out there.
6 months releasing cycles are a joke.
Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974212</id>
	<title>Tried it out on my Dell XPS M1730...</title>
	<author>JasonB</author>
	<datestamp>1257274380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But after a few days, I went ahead and replaced 9.10 with a fresh install of Windows 7 (64-bit). As loathe as I am to admit it, Win7 is a much more polished, finished, stable product. For my hardware at least, Win7 is a much more effective operating system.</p><p>Of course, YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But after a few days , I went ahead and replaced 9.10 with a fresh install of Windows 7 ( 64-bit ) .
As loathe as I am to admit it , Win7 is a much more polished , finished , stable product .
For my hardware at least , Win7 is a much more effective operating system.Of course , YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But after a few days, I went ahead and replaced 9.10 with a fresh install of Windows 7 (64-bit).
As loathe as I am to admit it, Win7 is a much more polished, finished, stable product.
For my hardware at least, Win7 is a much more effective operating system.Of course, YMMV.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971830</id>
	<title>Too much complains</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257256620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Geeezz, I know where Ubuntu aims, but those complains in slashdot? Are you nerds, really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Geeezz , I know where Ubuntu aims , but those complains in slashdot ?
Are you nerds , really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geeezz, I know where Ubuntu aims, but those complains in slashdot?
Are you nerds, really?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975100</id>
	<title>Ref:Great</title>
	<author>wheresmyplane</author>
	<datestamp>1256980740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm having a blast with Karmic. Hands down the best Ubuntu release I've ever used. Except for one problem when resuming from "suspend" its working flawlessly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm having a blast with Karmic .
Hands down the best Ubuntu release I 've ever used .
Except for one problem when resuming from " suspend " its working flawlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm having a blast with Karmic.
Hands down the best Ubuntu release I've ever used.
Except for one problem when resuming from "suspend" its working flawlessly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971572</id>
	<title>Been surfing forwards since Karmic alpha2</title>
	<author>John Whitley</author>
	<datestamp>1257255120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FWIW, I've been surfing forwards since Karmic alpha2.  Aside from a few annoying app bugs along the way (most often upstream issues), the only thing I got bit by was the upstart changeover breakage.  But that's what one gets for tracking a prerelease distro with big changes landing.  Fortunately, I'd followed Debian unstable for many years previously and have good Linux experience generally, and so got myself up and running again in short order (before the repo was officially declared all-clear again).</p><p>I've had no major problems, no reboots that I didn't initiate, and frankly I'm pretty impressed with how many nettling little bugs in end-user apps vanished even between late Beta phase and the official release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , I 've been surfing forwards since Karmic alpha2 .
Aside from a few annoying app bugs along the way ( most often upstream issues ) , the only thing I got bit by was the upstart changeover breakage .
But that 's what one gets for tracking a prerelease distro with big changes landing .
Fortunately , I 'd followed Debian unstable for many years previously and have good Linux experience generally , and so got myself up and running again in short order ( before the repo was officially declared all-clear again ) .I 've had no major problems , no reboots that I did n't initiate , and frankly I 'm pretty impressed with how many nettling little bugs in end-user apps vanished even between late Beta phase and the official release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, I've been surfing forwards since Karmic alpha2.
Aside from a few annoying app bugs along the way (most often upstream issues), the only thing I got bit by was the upstart changeover breakage.
But that's what one gets for tracking a prerelease distro with big changes landing.
Fortunately, I'd followed Debian unstable for many years previously and have good Linux experience generally, and so got myself up and running again in short order (before the repo was officially declared all-clear again).I've had no major problems, no reboots that I didn't initiate, and frankly I'm pretty impressed with how many nettling little bugs in end-user apps vanished even between late Beta phase and the official release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971522</id>
	<title>Re:No Problems here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite the lurker. First comment you made in over 9 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite the lurker .
First comment you made in over 9 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite the lurker.
First comment you made in over 9 years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970080</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972990</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257265200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check if yr menu.lst got updated..with the new kernel..had the same problem updating the grub menu.lst fixed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check if yr menu.lst got updated..with the new kernel..had the same problem updating the grub menu.lst fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check if yr menu.lst got updated..with the new kernel..had the same problem updating the grub menu.lst fixed it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973452</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>TangoMargarine</author>
	<datestamp>1257269280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good thing TFS didn't ask for data, then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing TFS did n't ask for data , then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing TFS didn't ask for data, then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969748</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969624</id>
	<title>Ubuntu dev's response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From earlier today: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html</p><p>I installed Karmic on my Acer Aspire AS1410 the day of release.  I had to switch the SATA drive from AHCI to IDE, but other than that, it runs beautifully and I love it.  Definitely going to upgrade my desktop this weekend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From earlier today : http : //blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.htmlI installed Karmic on my Acer Aspire AS1410 the day of release .
I had to switch the SATA drive from AHCI to IDE , but other than that , it runs beautifully and I love it .
Definitely going to upgrade my desktop this weekend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From earlier today: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.htmlI installed Karmic on my Acer Aspire AS1410 the day of release.
I had to switch the SATA drive from AHCI to IDE, but other than that, it runs beautifully and I love it.
Definitely going to upgrade my desktop this weekend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976942</id>
	<title>No problems here!</title>
	<author>Viduliya</author>
	<datestamp>1256998800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am surprised by this article.  I have installed and upgraded a few machines to Karmic and this had been on of the best releases since Gutsy.   Ever since they had pulseaudio included by default in Hardy I had issues with new releases, specifically with pulseaudio.  Hardy and Janty was the most painful and Intrepid caused much less pain.  Janty had issues with pulseaudio and then issues with the Intel video drivers which made it a much worse release than Karmic.  As far as new releases of Ubuntu go I am happy with Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am surprised by this article .
I have installed and upgraded a few machines to Karmic and this had been on of the best releases since Gutsy .
Ever since they had pulseaudio included by default in Hardy I had issues with new releases , specifically with pulseaudio .
Hardy and Janty was the most painful and Intrepid caused much less pain .
Janty had issues with pulseaudio and then issues with the Intel video drivers which made it a much worse release than Karmic .
As far as new releases of Ubuntu go I am happy with Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am surprised by this article.
I have installed and upgraded a few machines to Karmic and this had been on of the best releases since Gutsy.
Ever since they had pulseaudio included by default in Hardy I had issues with new releases, specifically with pulseaudio.
Hardy and Janty was the most painful and Intrepid caused much less pain.
Janty had issues with pulseaudio and then issues with the Intel video drivers which made it a much worse release than Karmic.
As far as new releases of Ubuntu go I am happy with Karmic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977038</id>
	<title>Re:Rants replacing Bug reports?</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1256999400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew there was a good reason why I friend'ed you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Well said, especially about the KDE 3-to-4 transition, that stuff was some of the most pointless ranting that I've ever seen.  None of the ranters ever bothered to even try to understand *why* there was a (need for) KDE4...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew there was a good reason why I friend'ed you .
: ) Well said , especially about the KDE 3-to-4 transition , that stuff was some of the most pointless ranting that I 've ever seen .
None of the ranters ever bothered to even try to understand * why * there was a ( need for ) KDE4.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew there was a good reason why I friend'ed you.
:)Well said, especially about the KDE 3-to-4 transition, that stuff was some of the most pointless ranting that I've ever seen.
None of the ranters ever bothered to even try to understand *why* there was a (need for) KDE4...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971968</id>
	<title>Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257257340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>On the upside, it seems a bit better on batter life.</p></div></blockquote><p>To be fair, you probably shouldn't be counting on your batter more than a day.  There's raw eggs in there, man!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the upside , it seems a bit better on batter life.To be fair , you probably should n't be counting on your batter more than a day .
There 's raw eggs in there , man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the upside, it seems a bit better on batter life.To be fair, you probably shouldn't be counting on your batter more than a day.
There's raw eggs in there, man!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970224</id>
	<title>update to Karmic on P4 2.6Ghz</title>
	<author>marcas1</author>
	<datestamp>1257249840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done upgrade this week end. Hard time with a small partition on hard drive (4Gb) and troubles with the USB key (my CDROM is ooo) with 9.10 to boot (dynamic casper partition<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/cow on wrong hard drive ID)<br>My Medion 2.4Ghz with P4 laptop is now running karmic. Hibernate run succesfully after 2 reboots (???)<br>It seems that compiz is more stable with the radeon 9000 now.<br>The fresh install doesn't accept my exotic Wifi PCMCIA card more the before. But even ndiswrapper manual install failed on this.</p><p>It's not faster than before but more stable when swithing fast from desktop to another. So, it's not a bad update for old hardware (6 years old)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done upgrade this week end .
Hard time with a small partition on hard drive ( 4Gb ) and troubles with the USB key ( my CDROM is ooo ) with 9.10 to boot ( dynamic casper partition /cow on wrong hard drive ID ) My Medion 2.4Ghz with P4 laptop is now running karmic .
Hibernate run succesfully after 2 reboots ( ? ? ?
) It seems that compiz is more stable with the radeon 9000 now.The fresh install does n't accept my exotic Wifi PCMCIA card more the before .
But even ndiswrapper manual install failed on this.It 's not faster than before but more stable when swithing fast from desktop to another .
So , it 's not a bad update for old hardware ( 6 years old )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done upgrade this week end.
Hard time with a small partition on hard drive (4Gb) and troubles with the USB key (my CDROM is ooo) with 9.10 to boot (dynamic casper partition /cow on wrong hard drive ID)My Medion 2.4Ghz with P4 laptop is now running karmic.
Hibernate run succesfully after 2 reboots (???
)It seems that compiz is more stable with the radeon 9000 now.The fresh install doesn't accept my exotic Wifi PCMCIA card more the before.
But even ndiswrapper manual install failed on this.It's not faster than before but more stable when swithing fast from desktop to another.
So, it's not a bad update for old hardware (6 years old)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971266</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Daishiman</author>
	<datestamp>1257253740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guess you've never had a Windows install crap out of the blue or become noxiously saturated with garbage at book.

I admit that the quality of releases in Ubuntu hasn't been as good as Windows during the timeframe I've used it. Nontheless, I've always been able to fix stuff in Linux, while I've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess you 've never had a Windows install crap out of the blue or become noxiously saturated with garbage at book .
I admit that the quality of releases in Ubuntu has n't been as good as Windows during the timeframe I 've used it .
Nontheless , I 've always been able to fix stuff in Linux , while I 've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess you've never had a Windows install crap out of the blue or become noxiously saturated with garbage at book.
I admit that the quality of releases in Ubuntu hasn't been as good as Windows during the timeframe I've used it.
Nontheless, I've always been able to fix stuff in Linux, while I've had to reinstall Windows from scratch many more times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970366</id>
	<title>Re:Fix avalible</title>
	<author>Enahs</author>
	<datestamp>1257250320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have some sort of problem with FREEDOM?</p><p>People should be able to make informed decisions based on what they're given, look into it, and if they fall for something stupid, take personal responsibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have some sort of problem with FREEDOM ? People should be able to make informed decisions based on what they 're given , look into it , and if they fall for something stupid , take personal responsibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have some sort of problem with FREEDOM?People should be able to make informed decisions based on what they're given, look into it, and if they fall for something stupid, take personal responsibility.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970082</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972858</id>
	<title>Maybe I am lucky but.....</title>
	<author>DeathFire</author>
	<datestamp>1257264060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't had any problems with this release that I have come across.  3 computers, 2 different sets of hardware, no issues that I have noted.  For me it was actually the smoothest upgrade that I have had.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had any problems with this release that I have come across .
3 computers , 2 different sets of hardware , no issues that I have noted .
For me it was actually the smoothest upgrade that I have had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had any problems with this release that I have come across.
3 computers, 2 different sets of hardware, no issues that I have noted.
For me it was actually the smoothest upgrade that I have had.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971334</id>
	<title>Immaculate on Toshiba Portege R600</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1257254040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Works absolutely flawlessly on this here R600 (64-bit version). It feels faster than XP on the same machine. I was particularly pleased as past versions of Ubuntu have had bad reports on this model (it's full of stupidly proprietary crap and the Windows version needs about a zillion added drivers if you don't just use the Toshiba factory install).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Works absolutely flawlessly on this here R600 ( 64-bit version ) .
It feels faster than XP on the same machine .
I was particularly pleased as past versions of Ubuntu have had bad reports on this model ( it 's full of stupidly proprietary crap and the Windows version needs about a zillion added drivers if you do n't just use the Toshiba factory install ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Works absolutely flawlessly on this here R600 (64-bit version).
It feels faster than XP on the same machine.
I was particularly pleased as past versions of Ubuntu have had bad reports on this model (it's full of stupidly proprietary crap and the Windows version needs about a zillion added drivers if you don't just use the Toshiba factory install).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970588</id>
	<title>I had the opposite experience</title>
	<author>sammydee</author>
	<datestamp>1257251160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04 and tried an upgrade every time a new version came out. I have never ONCE had one actually work, so I always ended up reformatting/reinstalling from scratch.</p><p>This is the first time an upgrade has gone smoothly for me. The only thing that went wrong was firefox failed to load my session directory, and this is only due to upgrading from 3.0 to 3.5. In fact, firefox 3.0 was still installed on my system and that worked perfectly still.</p><p>In general however, the Ubuntu upgrades always seem to be a bit flaky, far better to separately partition your home directory and reformat/reinstall instead - too much fundamental architecture changes with each release to make upgrades really work very well. You still keep all your application configurations and data easily that way as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Ubuntu since 5.04 and tried an upgrade every time a new version came out .
I have never ONCE had one actually work , so I always ended up reformatting/reinstalling from scratch.This is the first time an upgrade has gone smoothly for me .
The only thing that went wrong was firefox failed to load my session directory , and this is only due to upgrading from 3.0 to 3.5 .
In fact , firefox 3.0 was still installed on my system and that worked perfectly still.In general however , the Ubuntu upgrades always seem to be a bit flaky , far better to separately partition your home directory and reformat/reinstall instead - too much fundamental architecture changes with each release to make upgrades really work very well .
You still keep all your application configurations and data easily that way as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04 and tried an upgrade every time a new version came out.
I have never ONCE had one actually work, so I always ended up reformatting/reinstalling from scratch.This is the first time an upgrade has gone smoothly for me.
The only thing that went wrong was firefox failed to load my session directory, and this is only due to upgrading from 3.0 to 3.5.
In fact, firefox 3.0 was still installed on my system and that worked perfectly still.In general however, the Ubuntu upgrades always seem to be a bit flaky, far better to separately partition your home directory and reformat/reinstall instead - too much fundamental architecture changes with each release to make upgrades really work very well.
You still keep all your application configurations and data easily that way as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973270</id>
	<title>PHP5 issues</title>
	<author>Fishy\_Fishy\_Fish</author>
	<datestamp>1257267600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well... I guess "I told you so..." lol
<a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423349&amp;cid=29921115" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423349&amp;cid=29921115</a> [slashdot.org]
<a href="http://twitter.com/rmwb/status/5067278215" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/rmwb/status/5067278215</a> [twitter.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... I guess " I told you so... " lol http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1423349&amp;cid = 29921115 [ slashdot.org ] http : //twitter.com/rmwb/status/5067278215 [ twitter.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... I guess "I told you so..." lol
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423349&amp;cid=29921115 [slashdot.org]
http://twitter.com/rmwb/status/5067278215 [twitter.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971188</id>
	<title>So, does this mean that...</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257253320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, does this mean that the year of the linux desktop is delayed until 2010 after all? Everyone seemed so optimistic in january...<br> <br>

seriously, wtf is wrong!? lately I see nothing than completely broken distros and programs! Lots of features in programs don't work anymore, although they did before (e.g. the script execution in kate and kile, akregator and kmail still have trouble connecting to some servers, dolphin still has far to go - no previews of txt, od* and videos!?). KDE 4 is still a pain (although 4.3 is a huge step forward) and don't get me started on PulseAudio (PulseAudio is a great idea, but it's so damn buggy right now)<br> <br>

If I were a conspiracy-theorist, I'd say that Microsoft pays some coders to "work" on linux-progs and commit obscure, broken code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does this mean that the year of the linux desktop is delayed until 2010 after all ?
Everyone seemed so optimistic in january.. . seriously , wtf is wrong ! ?
lately I see nothing than completely broken distros and programs !
Lots of features in programs do n't work anymore , although they did before ( e.g .
the script execution in kate and kile , akregator and kmail still have trouble connecting to some servers , dolphin still has far to go - no previews of txt , od * and videos ! ? ) .
KDE 4 is still a pain ( although 4.3 is a huge step forward ) and do n't get me started on PulseAudio ( PulseAudio is a great idea , but it 's so damn buggy right now ) If I were a conspiracy-theorist , I 'd say that Microsoft pays some coders to " work " on linux-progs and commit obscure , broken code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does this mean that the year of the linux desktop is delayed until 2010 after all?
Everyone seemed so optimistic in january... 

seriously, wtf is wrong!?
lately I see nothing than completely broken distros and programs!
Lots of features in programs don't work anymore, although they did before (e.g.
the script execution in kate and kile, akregator and kmail still have trouble connecting to some servers, dolphin still has far to go - no previews of txt, od* and videos!?).
KDE 4 is still a pain (although 4.3 is a huge step forward) and don't get me started on PulseAudio (PulseAudio is a great idea, but it's so damn buggy right now) 

If I were a conspiracy-theorist, I'd say that Microsoft pays some coders to "work" on linux-progs and commit obscure, broken code.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969788</id>
	<title>Works for me</title>
	<author>vtcat</author>
	<datestamp>1257248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop from Jaunty to Karmic, and it's been great so far.  (Technically, it was a new install without touching<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home rather than a distribution upgrade.)


In fact the network manager actually worked out of the box, but never did work right in Jaunty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop from Jaunty to Karmic , and it 's been great so far .
( Technically , it was a new install without touching /home rather than a distribution upgrade .
) In fact the network manager actually worked out of the box , but never did work right in Jaunty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop from Jaunty to Karmic, and it's been great so far.
(Technically, it was a new install without touching /home rather than a distribution upgrade.
)


In fact the network manager actually worked out of the box, but never did work right in Jaunty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979400</id>
	<title>Upgrade Very Smooth, works great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257008580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had none of the issues that folks are talking about.  I read through all of the documentation and gotchas prior to upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10.  The upgrade process was very smooth, and once done, I have had ZERO issues.  It makes me very happy to know that I have not had to deal with Windows in so long.  I don't hate Gates, or Microsoft, i just grew tired of windows after all these years of problems and troubleshooting.</p><p>I have been a Software QA engineer for 19 years, and expect all software that is released, paid for or not, to pass some level of testing.  To come out and say this is not a tested OS, or the upgrade was not tested enough, makes me laugh.  the test cycle on this release was quite extensive, and filing bugs has gone on for months, and continues to now.</p><p>I have found any defects that i have filed to be reviewed and answered in a fairly short amount of time.  open a defect with Microsoft windows and good luck!</p><p>All in all, i say, Great Release, keep it up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had none of the issues that folks are talking about .
I read through all of the documentation and gotchas prior to upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 .
The upgrade process was very smooth , and once done , I have had ZERO issues .
It makes me very happy to know that I have not had to deal with Windows in so long .
I do n't hate Gates , or Microsoft , i just grew tired of windows after all these years of problems and troubleshooting.I have been a Software QA engineer for 19 years , and expect all software that is released , paid for or not , to pass some level of testing .
To come out and say this is not a tested OS , or the upgrade was not tested enough , makes me laugh .
the test cycle on this release was quite extensive , and filing bugs has gone on for months , and continues to now.I have found any defects that i have filed to be reviewed and answered in a fairly short amount of time .
open a defect with Microsoft windows and good luck ! All in all , i say , Great Release , keep it up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had none of the issues that folks are talking about.
I read through all of the documentation and gotchas prior to upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10.
The upgrade process was very smooth, and once done, I have had ZERO issues.
It makes me very happy to know that I have not had to deal with Windows in so long.
I don't hate Gates, or Microsoft, i just grew tired of windows after all these years of problems and troubleshooting.I have been a Software QA engineer for 19 years, and expect all software that is released, paid for or not, to pass some level of testing.
To come out and say this is not a tested OS, or the upgrade was not tested enough, makes me laugh.
the test cycle on this release was quite extensive, and filing bugs has gone on for months, and continues to now.I have found any defects that i have filed to be reviewed and answered in a fairly short amount of time.
open a defect with Microsoft windows and good luck!All in all, i say, Great Release, keep it up!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969928</id>
	<title>Freezes during slash screen.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can usually get to the lang. selection, then choose live disk boot then it freezes, every time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can usually get to the lang .
selection , then choose live disk boot then it freezes , every time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can usually get to the lang.
selection, then choose live disk boot then it freezes, every time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976356</id>
	<title>One good, one bumpy - all's well in the end</title>
	<author>Dakiraun</author>
	<datestamp>1256993580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My experience was less a bit rocky at first.  Previous upgrades never caused a problem, but on doing Karmic, my work laptop (Dell Precision M65) had the blank, flicking screen issue.  It was a problem with it trying to use the Nvidia 180 drivers.  Whatever the driver problem did, it locked up the system so bad that the keyboard was not usable, so I had to log in via another system to terminate gdm before the system was usable again.  I removed all Nvidia drivers, copied the xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, rebooted, and reinstalled the Nvidia stuff going with the 185 driver instead - all was fine after that.

My other Ubuntu machine updated without issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience was less a bit rocky at first .
Previous upgrades never caused a problem , but on doing Karmic , my work laptop ( Dell Precision M65 ) had the blank , flicking screen issue .
It was a problem with it trying to use the Nvidia 180 drivers .
Whatever the driver problem did , it locked up the system so bad that the keyboard was not usable , so I had to log in via another system to terminate gdm before the system was usable again .
I removed all Nvidia drivers , copied the xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf , rebooted , and reinstalled the Nvidia stuff going with the 185 driver instead - all was fine after that .
My other Ubuntu machine updated without issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience was less a bit rocky at first.
Previous upgrades never caused a problem, but on doing Karmic, my work laptop (Dell Precision M65) had the blank, flicking screen issue.
It was a problem with it trying to use the Nvidia 180 drivers.
Whatever the driver problem did, it locked up the system so bad that the keyboard was not usable, so I had to log in via another system to terminate gdm before the system was usable again.
I removed all Nvidia drivers, copied the xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, rebooted, and reinstalled the Nvidia stuff going with the 185 driver instead - all was fine after that.
My other Ubuntu machine updated without issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969680</id>
	<title>Works Fine for Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257248220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upgrade failed miserably, but a fresh installworks fine on my EEE 901. I can even type<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comments on it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upgrade failed miserably , but a fresh installworks fine on my EEE 901 .
I can even type / .
comments on it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upgrade failed miserably, but a fresh installworks fine on my EEE 901.
I can even type /.
comments on it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970006</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>mikehoskins</author>
	<datestamp>1257249180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had a great experience, so far, and I shouldn't....</p><p>Starting around midnight, this morning, I upgraded from 64 bit Jaunty Studio, which was setup like this:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Jaunty Studio was "upgraded" to Kubuntu<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Used Intel graphics -- the kind of card Jaunty particularly hates<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 64-bit Flash, 64-bit Java, 64-bit Firefox<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; MythTV with all the add-ons I could throw in...</p><p>I *should* be a poster child for problems.</p><p>I only had 3 minor issues:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; ~/.ICEAuthority permissions issues (easily corrected)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; An issue when switching to text mode using Ctrl+Alt+F{1,2,3,4,5} (should be easily correctable in grub)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Mythtv-status no longer knows how to calculate drive totals (I think that's easily fixed, but haven't looked)</p><p>Everything is so much snappier, but that could be due to Jaunty vs. Intel Graphics wars or it could be due to a mem leak on Jaunty (I can't prove that one but I swapped heavily until the upgrade).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had a great experience , so far , and I should n't....Starting around midnight , this morning , I upgraded from 64 bit Jaunty Studio , which was setup like this :     Jaunty Studio was " upgraded " to Kubuntu     Used Intel graphics -- the kind of card Jaunty particularly hates     64-bit Flash , 64-bit Java , 64-bit Firefox     MythTV with all the add-ons I could throw in...I * should * be a poster child for problems.I only had 3 minor issues :     ~ /.ICEAuthority permissions issues ( easily corrected )     An issue when switching to text mode using Ctrl + Alt + F { 1,2,3,4,5 } ( should be easily correctable in grub )     Mythtv-status no longer knows how to calculate drive totals ( I think that 's easily fixed , but have n't looked ) Everything is so much snappier , but that could be due to Jaunty vs. Intel Graphics wars or it could be due to a mem leak on Jaunty ( I ca n't prove that one but I swapped heavily until the upgrade ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had a great experience, so far, and I shouldn't....Starting around midnight, this morning, I upgraded from 64 bit Jaunty Studio, which was setup like this:
    Jaunty Studio was "upgraded" to Kubuntu
    Used Intel graphics -- the kind of card Jaunty particularly hates
    64-bit Flash, 64-bit Java, 64-bit Firefox
    MythTV with all the add-ons I could throw in...I *should* be a poster child for problems.I only had 3 minor issues:
    ~/.ICEAuthority permissions issues (easily corrected)
    An issue when switching to text mode using Ctrl+Alt+F{1,2,3,4,5} (should be easily correctable in grub)
    Mythtv-status no longer knows how to calculate drive totals (I think that's easily fixed, but haven't looked)Everything is so much snappier, but that could be due to Jaunty vs. Intel Graphics wars or it could be due to a mem leak on Jaunty (I can't prove that one but I swapped heavily until the upgrade).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969586</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977378</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>tuppe666</author>
	<datestamp>1257001140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It bothers me when I see posts like this, after all the pragmatic/freedom posts. Binary blobs are the cause of too great a percentage of problems on when is in the main a FOSS platform. The only people who are really pragmatic is those who are developing FOSS replacements and working with these companies to create FOSS replacements.<p>
That said Gnash is pretty good and has been for a couple of revisions, unfortunately Ubuntu do not make it a drop in replacement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It bothers me when I see posts like this , after all the pragmatic/freedom posts .
Binary blobs are the cause of too great a percentage of problems on when is in the main a FOSS platform .
The only people who are really pragmatic is those who are developing FOSS replacements and working with these companies to create FOSS replacements .
That said Gnash is pretty good and has been for a couple of revisions , unfortunately Ubuntu do not make it a drop in replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It bothers me when I see posts like this, after all the pragmatic/freedom posts.
Binary blobs are the cause of too great a percentage of problems on when is in the main a FOSS platform.
The only people who are really pragmatic is those who are developing FOSS replacements and working with these companies to create FOSS replacements.
That said Gnash is pretty good and has been for a couple of revisions, unfortunately Ubuntu do not make it a drop in replacement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970520</id>
	<title>No problems here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 yesterday on a dell latitude e6500.  Everything is working quite well for me.  No sound, video, or other issues.  And, my wifi seems to work much better now.  It did upgrade to the 2.6.31 kernel... The improvement I've seen is just in connection times, on 9.04 it would spin its wheels for a good 30-45 seconds after login before connecting to my WPA2 wireless network.  Now, it connects instantly upon login (well... within 3-5 seconds).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 yesterday on a dell latitude e6500 .
Everything is working quite well for me .
No sound , video , or other issues .
And , my wifi seems to work much better now .
It did upgrade to the 2.6.31 kernel... The improvement I 've seen is just in connection times , on 9.04 it would spin its wheels for a good 30-45 seconds after login before connecting to my WPA2 wireless network .
Now , it connects instantly upon login ( well... within 3-5 seconds ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 yesterday on a dell latitude e6500.
Everything is working quite well for me.
No sound, video, or other issues.
And, my wifi seems to work much better now.
It did upgrade to the 2.6.31 kernel... The improvement I've seen is just in connection times, on 9.04 it would spin its wheels for a good 30-45 seconds after login before connecting to my WPA2 wireless network.
Now, it connects instantly upon login (well... within 3-5 seconds).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971422</id>
	<title>Re:WiFi authentication? Who needs that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257254400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife's laptop fresh install picked it up fine.  My upgrade also had no problems.  You're welcome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife 's laptop fresh install picked it up fine .
My upgrade also had no problems .
You 're welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife's laptop fresh install picked it up fine.
My upgrade also had no problems.
You're welcome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973736</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257271140000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upgraded this morning.</p><p>No problems.  I'm on nvidia's closed source drivers, maybe the flickering is a problem with other cards / drivers?</p><p>I don't use full disk encryption, so I can't speak to that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgraded this morning.No problems .
I 'm on nvidia 's closed source drivers , maybe the flickering is a problem with other cards / drivers ? I do n't use full disk encryption , so I ca n't speak to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgraded this morning.No problems.
I'm on nvidia's closed source drivers, maybe the flickering is a problem with other cards / drivers?I don't use full disk encryption, so I can't speak to that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970570</id>
	<title>two contrasting experiences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've put Karmic on both my main machines; my x86 netbook and my Athlon X3 desktop.
The karmic install on my netbook was absolutely flawless, and  Karmic on my netbook is a joy to behold. Waaaay faster, much better with multiple apps, more useful features (Gwibber integration with notifier-applet is a special ) and a much-improved UI.

But...

Karmic on x64 was an absolute pig.
Jockey worked on the livecd but not the full install, which makes precisely no sense. Not a particular problem for me, the only restricted driver I needed was the nvidia blob, and I could install that manually. The drive naming process, however, has been a nightmare. I haven't had to edit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/fstab in years, but I had to in order to give my external HDD a consistent mount point. The volumes tab simply refused to work. Getting my MTP MP3 player to work has also been an absolute sod.

I'm a loyal ubuntu user, but their release cycle is so hit-and-miss that it's just not safe to be an early adopter. I try not to complain too hard, at the end of the day, I'm getting a world class OS for free. But it frustrates me that their QA Process focuses so much on the new and the shiny and less on the core experience. I know from experience that within a month or so it'll all be peachy and I'll love ubuntu more than ever, but...why not just release it in a month or so, when it's ready?

(Note to self; why not just install it in a  month or so, when you know it'll be fine, idiot?)
(Answer to self: I like new! I like shiny!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've put Karmic on both my main machines ; my x86 netbook and my Athlon X3 desktop .
The karmic install on my netbook was absolutely flawless , and Karmic on my netbook is a joy to behold .
Waaaay faster , much better with multiple apps , more useful features ( Gwibber integration with notifier-applet is a special ) and a much-improved UI .
But.. . Karmic on x64 was an absolute pig .
Jockey worked on the livecd but not the full install , which makes precisely no sense .
Not a particular problem for me , the only restricted driver I needed was the nvidia blob , and I could install that manually .
The drive naming process , however , has been a nightmare .
I have n't had to edit /etc/fstab in years , but I had to in order to give my external HDD a consistent mount point .
The volumes tab simply refused to work .
Getting my MTP MP3 player to work has also been an absolute sod .
I 'm a loyal ubuntu user , but their release cycle is so hit-and-miss that it 's just not safe to be an early adopter .
I try not to complain too hard , at the end of the day , I 'm getting a world class OS for free .
But it frustrates me that their QA Process focuses so much on the new and the shiny and less on the core experience .
I know from experience that within a month or so it 'll all be peachy and I 'll love ubuntu more than ever , but...why not just release it in a month or so , when it 's ready ?
( Note to self ; why not just install it in a month or so , when you know it 'll be fine , idiot ?
) ( Answer to self : I like new !
I like shiny !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've put Karmic on both my main machines; my x86 netbook and my Athlon X3 desktop.
The karmic install on my netbook was absolutely flawless, and  Karmic on my netbook is a joy to behold.
Waaaay faster, much better with multiple apps, more useful features (Gwibber integration with notifier-applet is a special ) and a much-improved UI.
But...

Karmic on x64 was an absolute pig.
Jockey worked on the livecd but not the full install, which makes precisely no sense.
Not a particular problem for me, the only restricted driver I needed was the nvidia blob, and I could install that manually.
The drive naming process, however, has been a nightmare.
I haven't had to edit /etc/fstab in years, but I had to in order to give my external HDD a consistent mount point.
The volumes tab simply refused to work.
Getting my MTP MP3 player to work has also been an absolute sod.
I'm a loyal ubuntu user, but their release cycle is so hit-and-miss that it's just not safe to be an early adopter.
I try not to complain too hard, at the end of the day, I'm getting a world class OS for free.
But it frustrates me that their QA Process focuses so much on the new and the shiny and less on the core experience.
I know from experience that within a month or so it'll all be peachy and I'll love ubuntu more than ever, but...why not just release it in a month or so, when it's ready?
(Note to self; why not just install it in a  month or so, when you know it'll be fine, idiot?
)
(Answer to self: I like new!
I like shiny!
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974972</id>
	<title>Re:Upgraded 3 computers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same experience here, no problems at all with the upgrade, it even recognized my wacom and configured it automatically. Better than Win7 in that regard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same experience here , no problems at all with the upgrade , it even recognized my wacom and configured it automatically .
Better than Win7 in that regard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same experience here, no problems at all with the upgrade, it even recognized my wacom and configured it automatically.
Better than Win7 in that regard</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971094</id>
	<title>If it doesn't work for you</title>
	<author>Chuck Chunder</author>
	<datestamp>1257252960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can only assume it's some sort of karmic payback for previous bad deeds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only assume it 's some sort of karmic payback for previous bad deeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only assume it's some sort of karmic payback for previous bad deeds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970130</id>
	<title>Funny you should ask</title>
	<author>lbredeso</author>
	<datestamp>1257249540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an IBM Thinkpad T42.  After upgrading just this past weekend, my sound doesn't work and I have strange display problems when coming back from suspend (I need to switch to a different virtual terminal, then back, in order to see the password box).  I wish I hadn't upgraded so soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an IBM Thinkpad T42 .
After upgrading just this past weekend , my sound does n't work and I have strange display problems when coming back from suspend ( I need to switch to a different virtual terminal , then back , in order to see the password box ) .
I wish I had n't upgraded so soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an IBM Thinkpad T42.
After upgrading just this past weekend, my sound doesn't work and I have strange display problems when coming back from suspend (I need to switch to a different virtual terminal, then back, in order to see the password box).
I wish I hadn't upgraded so soon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971106</id>
	<title>Karmic Koala completely screwed me over</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded to the RC. There was only a small problem with the installation: It didn't let me keep my grub list. It asked if I wanted to keep the old one (as I had dualboot, I wanted to) but if I chose "yes", it asked me again. That was small problem as I knew how to fix it manually after installation was over.</p><p>But the result of upgrading? My box was hacked nearly instantly. It was running apache, etc. but had been doing so for over half a year. I was using strong passwords, two firewalls (one hardware and one software based) to block most of the port scanning, 5 failed remote login attempts gave an hour long ban, I had blacklisted the SSH by default and whitelisted certain IPs... It had been secure for some 8 months or so, no problems. Then I upgraded to RC, went away from home for a few hours (computer was left on) and when I came back to try 9.10 for the first time, I noticed that my internet was a bit slow. So, I began investigating (assuming it was some bug or something) and noticed constant 100kbps stream of shady UDP traffic to wierd servers in numerous countries. It became obvious that my box had been hacked.</p><p>How? Did it change some config file or something? I have no idea. But that is too big of a coincidence.</p><p>But that's not half of it. The horrible screen flickering made it a lot harder to investigate. In addition, I wasn't able to stop the traffic at all! Blocking IPs didn't help. Even telling firestarter to shut down all internet traffic didn't do the trick (Firestarted was aware of the traffic, though, as it showed me that traffic). I tried to google for a solution, didn't find one. Nothing that should have shut down traffic worked (except for disconnecting the ethernet cable of course). I went to Ubuntu IRC channel and asked for help several times, clearly stating what was my problem and that it was rather urgent (as the computer was still transmitting the shady traffic). I got no reaction (too many other people asking for help at the same time. My questions were on the screen for like 10s).</p><p>Eventually I gave up with a sigh and switched to Windows (thank god for dualboot). I had used only Linux for a year or two (except for rare boots when I really needed Windows for something) but now haven't dared to try boot it up again. Windows isn't perfect but at least here I know that if I tell my firewall to stop all the internet traffic, it will do so.</p><p>Perhaps I'll try a clean install of some other distribution in a few weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to the RC .
There was only a small problem with the installation : It did n't let me keep my grub list .
It asked if I wanted to keep the old one ( as I had dualboot , I wanted to ) but if I chose " yes " , it asked me again .
That was small problem as I knew how to fix it manually after installation was over.But the result of upgrading ?
My box was hacked nearly instantly .
It was running apache , etc .
but had been doing so for over half a year .
I was using strong passwords , two firewalls ( one hardware and one software based ) to block most of the port scanning , 5 failed remote login attempts gave an hour long ban , I had blacklisted the SSH by default and whitelisted certain IPs... It had been secure for some 8 months or so , no problems .
Then I upgraded to RC , went away from home for a few hours ( computer was left on ) and when I came back to try 9.10 for the first time , I noticed that my internet was a bit slow .
So , I began investigating ( assuming it was some bug or something ) and noticed constant 100kbps stream of shady UDP traffic to wierd servers in numerous countries .
It became obvious that my box had been hacked.How ?
Did it change some config file or something ?
I have no idea .
But that is too big of a coincidence.But that 's not half of it .
The horrible screen flickering made it a lot harder to investigate .
In addition , I was n't able to stop the traffic at all !
Blocking IPs did n't help .
Even telling firestarter to shut down all internet traffic did n't do the trick ( Firestarted was aware of the traffic , though , as it showed me that traffic ) .
I tried to google for a solution , did n't find one .
Nothing that should have shut down traffic worked ( except for disconnecting the ethernet cable of course ) .
I went to Ubuntu IRC channel and asked for help several times , clearly stating what was my problem and that it was rather urgent ( as the computer was still transmitting the shady traffic ) .
I got no reaction ( too many other people asking for help at the same time .
My questions were on the screen for like 10s ) .Eventually I gave up with a sigh and switched to Windows ( thank god for dualboot ) .
I had used only Linux for a year or two ( except for rare boots when I really needed Windows for something ) but now have n't dared to try boot it up again .
Windows is n't perfect but at least here I know that if I tell my firewall to stop all the internet traffic , it will do so.Perhaps I 'll try a clean install of some other distribution in a few weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to the RC.
There was only a small problem with the installation: It didn't let me keep my grub list.
It asked if I wanted to keep the old one (as I had dualboot, I wanted to) but if I chose "yes", it asked me again.
That was small problem as I knew how to fix it manually after installation was over.But the result of upgrading?
My box was hacked nearly instantly.
It was running apache, etc.
but had been doing so for over half a year.
I was using strong passwords, two firewalls (one hardware and one software based) to block most of the port scanning, 5 failed remote login attempts gave an hour long ban, I had blacklisted the SSH by default and whitelisted certain IPs... It had been secure for some 8 months or so, no problems.
Then I upgraded to RC, went away from home for a few hours (computer was left on) and when I came back to try 9.10 for the first time, I noticed that my internet was a bit slow.
So, I began investigating (assuming it was some bug or something) and noticed constant 100kbps stream of shady UDP traffic to wierd servers in numerous countries.
It became obvious that my box had been hacked.How?
Did it change some config file or something?
I have no idea.
But that is too big of a coincidence.But that's not half of it.
The horrible screen flickering made it a lot harder to investigate.
In addition, I wasn't able to stop the traffic at all!
Blocking IPs didn't help.
Even telling firestarter to shut down all internet traffic didn't do the trick (Firestarted was aware of the traffic, though, as it showed me that traffic).
I tried to google for a solution, didn't find one.
Nothing that should have shut down traffic worked (except for disconnecting the ethernet cable of course).
I went to Ubuntu IRC channel and asked for help several times, clearly stating what was my problem and that it was rather urgent (as the computer was still transmitting the shady traffic).
I got no reaction (too many other people asking for help at the same time.
My questions were on the screen for like 10s).Eventually I gave up with a sigh and switched to Windows (thank god for dualboot).
I had used only Linux for a year or two (except for rare boots when I really needed Windows for something) but now haven't dared to try boot it up again.
Windows isn't perfect but at least here I know that if I tell my firewall to stop all the internet traffic, it will do so.Perhaps I'll try a clean install of some other distribution in a few weeks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974918</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I updated to Karmic and everything works better than ever. Maybe its because I use a Intel-based Thinkpad, but Suspend works in seconds, wifi is stable, no flickering, no old kernels to boot (maybe a problem of grub 2?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I updated to Karmic and everything works better than ever .
Maybe its because I use a Intel-based Thinkpad , but Suspend works in seconds , wifi is stable , no flickering , no old kernels to boot ( maybe a problem of grub 2 ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I updated to Karmic and everything works better than ever.
Maybe its because I use a Intel-based Thinkpad, but Suspend works in seconds, wifi is stable, no flickering, no old kernels to boot (maybe a problem of grub 2?
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970332</id>
	<title>It's the Kubuntu effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257250200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't speak for Ubuntu, but when it comes to Kubuntu, it has been this way for ages. Releasing software with <b>known</b> bugs that any other responsible vendor would consider a showstopper. The last known acceptable release of Kubuntu was Feisty Fawn. Since then, everything went downhill. I always did a clean install because the "upgrade" never worked as advertised. And then, I had regressions after regressions. My hotkeys stopped working with Gutsy, and though I'm pretty good at troubleshooting problems, I couldn't solve it. Hardy brought on a broken  OSD plus a couple of other problems, mostly incomplete/OBVIOUSLY buggy packages shipped with the distro and a terrible KDE implementation. Ibex  was a nice upgrade though, news about its quality led me to upgrade to OpenSuse, which was OK. In fact, it was a fantastic KDE experience, but I started distro-hopping: Mandriva, Fedora, and finally Arch. All the "big three" had been way way better in every respect than Kubuntu. Neither was perfect, but at least I learned that there <b>is</b> such a thing as quality assurance. Was laughing when I heard Jaunty shipped with a <b>known</b> bug that disabled wireless for half of its users. I never thought it could get worst than that, but apparently it can. Not that I care anymore - Arch it is, and Arch it will be for the foreseeable future. Finally something that <i>simply</i> works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't speak for Ubuntu , but when it comes to Kubuntu , it has been this way for ages .
Releasing software with known bugs that any other responsible vendor would consider a showstopper .
The last known acceptable release of Kubuntu was Feisty Fawn .
Since then , everything went downhill .
I always did a clean install because the " upgrade " never worked as advertised .
And then , I had regressions after regressions .
My hotkeys stopped working with Gutsy , and though I 'm pretty good at troubleshooting problems , I could n't solve it .
Hardy brought on a broken OSD plus a couple of other problems , mostly incomplete/OBVIOUSLY buggy packages shipped with the distro and a terrible KDE implementation .
Ibex was a nice upgrade though , news about its quality led me to upgrade to OpenSuse , which was OK. In fact , it was a fantastic KDE experience , but I started distro-hopping : Mandriva , Fedora , and finally Arch .
All the " big three " had been way way better in every respect than Kubuntu .
Neither was perfect , but at least I learned that there is such a thing as quality assurance .
Was laughing when I heard Jaunty shipped with a known bug that disabled wireless for half of its users .
I never thought it could get worst than that , but apparently it can .
Not that I care anymore - Arch it is , and Arch it will be for the foreseeable future .
Finally something that simply works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't speak for Ubuntu, but when it comes to Kubuntu, it has been this way for ages.
Releasing software with known bugs that any other responsible vendor would consider a showstopper.
The last known acceptable release of Kubuntu was Feisty Fawn.
Since then, everything went downhill.
I always did a clean install because the "upgrade" never worked as advertised.
And then, I had regressions after regressions.
My hotkeys stopped working with Gutsy, and though I'm pretty good at troubleshooting problems, I couldn't solve it.
Hardy brought on a broken  OSD plus a couple of other problems, mostly incomplete/OBVIOUSLY buggy packages shipped with the distro and a terrible KDE implementation.
Ibex  was a nice upgrade though, news about its quality led me to upgrade to OpenSuse, which was OK. In fact, it was a fantastic KDE experience, but I started distro-hopping: Mandriva, Fedora, and finally Arch.
All the "big three" had been way way better in every respect than Kubuntu.
Neither was perfect, but at least I learned that there is such a thing as quality assurance.
Was laughing when I heard Jaunty shipped with a known bug that disabled wireless for half of its users.
I never thought it could get worst than that, but apparently it can.
Not that I care anymore - Arch it is, and Arch it will be for the foreseeable future.
Finally something that simply works.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976976</id>
	<title>HP Compaq laptop</title>
	<author>Yert</author>
	<datestamp>1256999040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 year old Compaq laptop, no problems whatsoever with 9.10 install.  Took about 15 minutes from SD media.  Replaced a WIn7 install, and the partitioner detected and defaulted to multiboot configuration - was rather nice, but I wanted to blow Win7 away and go full-bore anyways, and had no issues.  Pretty happy with it so far.</p><p>I regularly replace the OS on this laptop, roughly once every month or so.  Last month was Win7, before that a few days were spent with Haiku, and Fedora 10 before that.  I honestly haven't had many issues with most of the OS/distros I put on the thing, except with wireless support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 year old Compaq laptop , no problems whatsoever with 9.10 install .
Took about 15 minutes from SD media .
Replaced a WIn7 install , and the partitioner detected and defaulted to multiboot configuration - was rather nice , but I wanted to blow Win7 away and go full-bore anyways , and had no issues .
Pretty happy with it so far.I regularly replace the OS on this laptop , roughly once every month or so .
Last month was Win7 , before that a few days were spent with Haiku , and Fedora 10 before that .
I honestly have n't had many issues with most of the OS/distros I put on the thing , except with wireless support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 year old Compaq laptop, no problems whatsoever with 9.10 install.
Took about 15 minutes from SD media.
Replaced a WIn7 install, and the partitioner detected and defaulted to multiboot configuration - was rather nice, but I wanted to blow Win7 away and go full-bore anyways, and had no issues.
Pretty happy with it so far.I regularly replace the OS on this laptop, roughly once every month or so.
Last month was Win7, before that a few days were spent with Haiku, and Fedora 10 before that.
I honestly haven't had many issues with most of the OS/distros I put on the thing, except with wireless support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29990766</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257009420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX. This is NOT news. When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break. I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves. To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:</p><p>1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle? The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.</p><p>2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway? If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.</p><p>To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years. Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.</p></div><p>I have been a long time fan of Ubuntu. This release was unusable for me. On two different machines, we couldn't get it to boot after install. We had to retrench and go back to 9.04. This issue is due to an issue that was known a month before release, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/443107</p><p>In answer to your two questions:</p><p>1) Why, yes we did. We used the live CD's to test the systems with the new OS. Worked fine. However, the bug referenced above does not manifest itself using the live CD.<br>2) Stability? I don't think that's the issue here. Why would you release a package with a known show stopper? Runable is all that was desired. After an entire weekend, we could not get it to work on either of two different brands of laptops.</p><p>And, up to this release, I too have never had a single problem upgrading a system. This release was a great disappointment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* sigh * We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX .
This is NOT news .
When you 're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications , things are bound to break .
I 'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything , but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves .
To everyone who claims they were " stung " by this update , I have two questions : 1 ) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle ?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release , it 's a trivial matter to burn a copy , stick it in your machine , and give it a test run.2 ) If stability is important to you ( and I assume it is by the use of the word " stung " ) , why did you upgrade anyway ?
If I 'm not mistaken , Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example , I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years .
Out of those , NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu , even Karmic.I have been a long time fan of Ubuntu .
This release was unusable for me .
On two different machines , we could n't get it to boot after install .
We had to retrench and go back to 9.04 .
This issue is due to an issue that was known a month before release , re : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/ + bug/443107In answer to your two questions : 1 ) Why , yes we did .
We used the live CD 's to test the systems with the new OS .
Worked fine .
However , the bug referenced above does not manifest itself using the live CD.2 ) Stability ?
I do n't think that 's the issue here .
Why would you release a package with a known show stopper ?
Runable is all that was desired .
After an entire weekend , we could not get it to work on either of two different brands of laptops.And , up to this release , I too have never had a single problem upgrading a system .
This release was a great disappointment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*sigh* We see these kinds of articles on every major new release of Ubuntu/Fedora/Windows/OSX.
This is NOT news.
When you're swapping out major parts of your OS and applications, things are bound to break.
I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy or anything, but this kind of stuff gets on my nerves.
To everyone who claims they were "stung" by this update, I have two questions:1) Did you bother to test the new release at any point during its 6-month development cycle?
The alpha and beta builds are available as a Live CD well ahead of the final release, it's a trivial matter to burn a copy, stick it in your machine, and give it a test run.2) If stability is important to you (and I assume it is by the use of the word "stung"), why did you upgrade anyway?
If I'm not mistaken, Karmic is not even an LTS release.To provide a counter-example, I have 5 machines under my control that have been running Ubuntu for years.
Out of those, NONE have ever had a problem upgrading to any version of Ubuntu, even Karmic.I have been a long time fan of Ubuntu.
This release was unusable for me.
On two different machines, we couldn't get it to boot after install.
We had to retrench and go back to 9.04.
This issue is due to an issue that was known a month before release, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/443107In answer to your two questions:1) Why, yes we did.
We used the live CD's to test the systems with the new OS.
Worked fine.
However, the bug referenced above does not manifest itself using the live CD.2) Stability?
I don't think that's the issue here.
Why would you release a package with a known show stopper?
Runable is all that was desired.
After an entire weekend, we could not get it to work on either of two different brands of laptops.And, up to this release, I too have never had a single problem upgrading a system.
This release was a great disappointment.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973132</id>
	<title>No problems here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did a clean install (after distrohopping to Debian Lenny, Sidux, and OpenSUSE).  I was actually amazed at how perfect everything is now.  My Sansa MP3 player (which wasn't recognized under 8.xx and 9.04) is picked up, my 3d card was set up perfectly (first time without a single headache!), no problems with sound or anything else.  Aptitude is so much faster than zypper, too, which is nice.</p><p>I wonder if the problems are just related to upgrades as opposed to clean installs?</p><p>Anyway, as if anybody cares what an Anonymous Coward thinks.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a clean install ( after distrohopping to Debian Lenny , Sidux , and OpenSUSE ) .
I was actually amazed at how perfect everything is now .
My Sansa MP3 player ( which was n't recognized under 8.xx and 9.04 ) is picked up , my 3d card was set up perfectly ( first time without a single headache !
) , no problems with sound or anything else .
Aptitude is so much faster than zypper , too , which is nice.I wonder if the problems are just related to upgrades as opposed to clean installs ? Anyway , as if anybody cares what an Anonymous Coward thinks .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a clean install (after distrohopping to Debian Lenny, Sidux, and OpenSUSE).
I was actually amazed at how perfect everything is now.
My Sansa MP3 player (which wasn't recognized under 8.xx and 9.04) is picked up, my 3d card was set up perfectly (first time without a single headache!
), no problems with sound or anything else.
Aptitude is so much faster than zypper, too, which is nice.I wonder if the problems are just related to upgrades as opposed to clean installs?Anyway, as if anybody cares what an Anonymous Coward thinks.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969944</id>
	<title>I'll let you know...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257249060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when I get it to run.</p><p>My system got into a state during the upgrade where it demanded I reboot before it finished and upon reboot it claims not to be able to find/mount my hard drives. Nothing will mount read-write even from the recovery terminal and so I can't actually do any reconfiguring or finish the installation manually. Booting to the LiveCD and chrooting in works fine except that I still can't get read-write for some reason. I can run any program on the system I want to, as long as it doesn't try to write to a log file, download anything, install any fixes or change any configuration options.</p><p>In short, Karmic appears to be actively opposing any attempt to make it work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when I get it to run.My system got into a state during the upgrade where it demanded I reboot before it finished and upon reboot it claims not to be able to find/mount my hard drives .
Nothing will mount read-write even from the recovery terminal and so I ca n't actually do any reconfiguring or finish the installation manually .
Booting to the LiveCD and chrooting in works fine except that I still ca n't get read-write for some reason .
I can run any program on the system I want to , as long as it does n't try to write to a log file , download anything , install any fixes or change any configuration options.In short , Karmic appears to be actively opposing any attempt to make it work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when I get it to run.My system got into a state during the upgrade where it demanded I reboot before it finished and upon reboot it claims not to be able to find/mount my hard drives.
Nothing will mount read-write even from the recovery terminal and so I can't actually do any reconfiguring or finish the installation manually.
Booting to the LiveCD and chrooting in works fine except that I still can't get read-write for some reason.
I can run any program on the system I want to, as long as it doesn't try to write to a log file, download anything, install any fixes or change any configuration options.In short, Karmic appears to be actively opposing any attempt to make it work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969814</id>
	<title>We should all</title>
	<author>Jonasx</author>
	<datestamp>1257248580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Insist on a full, immediate refund!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Insist on a full , immediate refund !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insist on a full, immediate refund!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29977592</id>
	<title>9.10 should have been 9.11 or even 9.12</title>
	<author>higuita</author>
	<datestamp>1257002100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also had problems with a CDMA usb modem (still unsolved) and a huwaei 3G usb modem... so i had no network... i had to wait for another computer to connect to the internet and search about the problems. Also, network manager edit windows gives a "access denied" popup, but mostly works...or maybe not...</p><p>But what i see as the worst thing might have been the lack of waning for the known problems for those installing/upgrading. The ubuntu release notes are hidden in the site, the update release notes warn about anything, so users think its OK to upgrade where its a "dangerous" thing to do.</p><p>IMHO, after reading all the foruns and bugs, its clear that there where too many critical open bugs (video not working, DSL  not connection, 3G cards faiiling, etc), not solved because it was already in freeze state. Most of this bugs had a fix, other still dont have.</p><p>Canonical have also done what commercial software is always doing and failing, deliver a buggy product just to because its the "release date". Almost all people prefer to wait one, 2 or even more months to fix the critical issues than updating or installing and have a not working system. Not entering in the X11 and lack of network are very critical problems, as make the system unusable for most people.</p><p>We all can accept problems not found in Release candidates, but most of this were already reported before the release and many had fix waiting for the "release" to enter the proposed packages. There is no excuse for delivering a software, knowing that will not work for many of its users and that could be fixed by delaying a little the release.</p><p>Canonical and Ubuntu have lost a lot more by delivering on time a broken system than by delaying  the release.<br>They could always say that the quality of the release is more important than the release date, that unlike most closed source software, Ubuntu prefers quality over artificial deadlines.</p><p>Unfortunately they have sent the wrong message with this release. Canonical didnt learned with the past and failed on this one.</p><p>ps: for those thinking that the release could be postpone forever to fix all bugs, you are not forced to wait to fix a broken package, you can always revert to the previous working version. the same thing could be said about the ubuntu release for users, but only for new installs, for upgrades, if there is no warning for the users before the upgrade, reverting isnt that easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also had problems with a CDMA usb modem ( still unsolved ) and a huwaei 3G usb modem... so i had no network... i had to wait for another computer to connect to the internet and search about the problems .
Also , network manager edit windows gives a " access denied " popup , but mostly works...or maybe not...But what i see as the worst thing might have been the lack of waning for the known problems for those installing/upgrading .
The ubuntu release notes are hidden in the site , the update release notes warn about anything , so users think its OK to upgrade where its a " dangerous " thing to do.IMHO , after reading all the foruns and bugs , its clear that there where too many critical open bugs ( video not working , DSL not connection , 3G cards faiiling , etc ) , not solved because it was already in freeze state .
Most of this bugs had a fix , other still dont have.Canonical have also done what commercial software is always doing and failing , deliver a buggy product just to because its the " release date " .
Almost all people prefer to wait one , 2 or even more months to fix the critical issues than updating or installing and have a not working system .
Not entering in the X11 and lack of network are very critical problems , as make the system unusable for most people.We all can accept problems not found in Release candidates , but most of this were already reported before the release and many had fix waiting for the " release " to enter the proposed packages .
There is no excuse for delivering a software , knowing that will not work for many of its users and that could be fixed by delaying a little the release.Canonical and Ubuntu have lost a lot more by delivering on time a broken system than by delaying the release.They could always say that the quality of the release is more important than the release date , that unlike most closed source software , Ubuntu prefers quality over artificial deadlines.Unfortunately they have sent the wrong message with this release .
Canonical didnt learned with the past and failed on this one.ps : for those thinking that the release could be postpone forever to fix all bugs , you are not forced to wait to fix a broken package , you can always revert to the previous working version .
the same thing could be said about the ubuntu release for users , but only for new installs , for upgrades , if there is no warning for the users before the upgrade , reverting isnt that easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also had problems with a CDMA usb modem (still unsolved) and a huwaei 3G usb modem... so i had no network... i had to wait for another computer to connect to the internet and search about the problems.
Also, network manager edit windows gives a "access denied" popup, but mostly works...or maybe not...But what i see as the worst thing might have been the lack of waning for the known problems for those installing/upgrading.
The ubuntu release notes are hidden in the site, the update release notes warn about anything, so users think its OK to upgrade where its a "dangerous" thing to do.IMHO, after reading all the foruns and bugs, its clear that there where too many critical open bugs (video not working, DSL  not connection, 3G cards faiiling, etc), not solved because it was already in freeze state.
Most of this bugs had a fix, other still dont have.Canonical have also done what commercial software is always doing and failing, deliver a buggy product just to because its the "release date".
Almost all people prefer to wait one, 2 or even more months to fix the critical issues than updating or installing and have a not working system.
Not entering in the X11 and lack of network are very critical problems, as make the system unusable for most people.We all can accept problems not found in Release candidates, but most of this were already reported before the release and many had fix waiting for the "release" to enter the proposed packages.
There is no excuse for delivering a software, knowing that will not work for many of its users and that could be fixed by delaying a little the release.Canonical and Ubuntu have lost a lot more by delivering on time a broken system than by delaying  the release.They could always say that the quality of the release is more important than the release date, that unlike most closed source software, Ubuntu prefers quality over artificial deadlines.Unfortunately they have sent the wrong message with this release.
Canonical didnt learned with the past and failed on this one.ps: for those thinking that the release could be postpone forever to fix all bugs, you are not forced to wait to fix a broken package, you can always revert to the previous working version.
the same thing could be said about the ubuntu release for users, but only for new installs, for upgrades, if there is no warning for the users before the upgrade, reverting isnt that easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.30007554</id>
	<title>jfoc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257535080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please, if you're having a lot of issues don't upgrade your distro, just make a clean install, you'll notice that many of the bugs you had will dissapear. Upgrading ubuntu using the update commands will only give you a pain in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , if you 're having a lot of issues do n't upgrade your distro , just make a clean install , you 'll notice that many of the bugs you had will dissapear .
Upgrading ubuntu using the update commands will only give you a pain in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, if you're having a lot of issues don't upgrade your distro, just make a clean install, you'll notice that many of the bugs you had will dissapear.
Upgrading ubuntu using the update commands will only give you a pain in the ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971734</id>
	<title>Re:FUD? On my slashdot?</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1257256020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed, that's how I tagged the Article. I mean if they were going to attack any release, why didn't they attack 9.04, it almost made me switch Distro's. As long as I've been using Ubuntu (since 5.10), the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.10 releases always felt like testing grounds and the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.04 always felt stable. They seem to have switched this time around and I hope the few little bits of Polish required will make 10.04 LTS a serious option for our corporate SOE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , that 's how I tagged the Article .
I mean if they were going to attack any release , why did n't they attack 9.04 , it almost made me switch Distro 's .
As long as I 've been using Ubuntu ( since 5.10 ) , the .10 releases always felt like testing grounds and the .04 always felt stable .
They seem to have switched this time around and I hope the few little bits of Polish required will make 10.04 LTS a serious option for our corporate SOE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, that's how I tagged the Article.
I mean if they were going to attack any release, why didn't they attack 9.04, it almost made me switch Distro's.
As long as I've been using Ubuntu (since 5.10), the .10 releases always felt like testing grounds and the .04 always felt stable.
They seem to have switched this time around and I hope the few little bits of Polish required will make 10.04 LTS a serious option for our corporate SOE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970562</id>
	<title>i was burned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257251040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about having my nvidia drivers break to the point of no return after an upgrade and having to wipe the drive just to get it working. and on my laptop completely removing gnome power manager to fix the god awful screen flickering.</p><p>ubuntu, stop rushing your releases</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about having my nvidia drivers break to the point of no return after an upgrade and having to wipe the drive just to get it working .
and on my laptop completely removing gnome power manager to fix the god awful screen flickering.ubuntu , stop rushing your releases</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about having my nvidia drivers break to the point of no return after an upgrade and having to wipe the drive just to get it working.
and on my laptop completely removing gnome power manager to fix the god awful screen flickering.ubuntu, stop rushing your releases</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972702</id>
	<title>Re:fresh install on an Acer Aspire one ZG5</title>
	<author>jeffstar</author>
	<datestamp>1257262620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>some mobile internet dongles have 2gb flash memory in them that is mounted as a drive for your reading and writing pleasure. sometimes they stick the driver for the dongle on there.</p><p>so your mobile internet dongle may be a hard drive as well, hence the usb-storage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>some mobile internet dongles have 2gb flash memory in them that is mounted as a drive for your reading and writing pleasure .
sometimes they stick the driver for the dongle on there.so your mobile internet dongle may be a hard drive as well , hence the usb-storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some mobile internet dongles have 2gb flash memory in them that is mounted as a drive for your reading and writing pleasure.
sometimes they stick the driver for the dongle on there.so your mobile internet dongle may be a hard drive as well, hence the usb-storage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976758</id>
	<title>what do you mean by change to other one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a) do you mean that it wouldnt boot into gnome, so you had to boot into safe mode, then afterwards (was it necessary to do any video config steps) it will then boot straight  into gnome.<br>b) you can only boot into safe mode and not the normal mode gnome</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a ) do you mean that it wouldnt boot into gnome , so you had to boot into safe mode , then afterwards ( was it necessary to do any video config steps ) it will then boot straight into gnome.b ) you can only boot into safe mode and not the normal mode gnome</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a) do you mean that it wouldnt boot into gnome, so you had to boot into safe mode, then afterwards (was it necessary to do any video config steps) it will then boot straight  into gnome.b) you can only boot into safe mode and not the normal mode gnome</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974042</id>
	<title>Re:My problems with 9.1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257272880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Blank and flickering screens<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... nvidia<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... keyboard input failures<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Same here.  I also had a bad automount because a network fs was down at the time.  This made it switch to the character screen and flash about twice per second.  Sometimes it would eat characters from the keyboard so it was impossible to enter a password (no feedback on if the keypress 'took' or not).</p><p>I solved it by booting 2.6.28, editing the boot line to take off everything except single user mode, then when the repair menu comes up type 'r' (?) for root console.  If I cursor'd down instead of typing in the 'r' then it would get an error message and then any key I pressed would be interpreted as a return, which of course makes it impossible to enter the root password... after that aptitude charcter mode fixed the problem and next boot was perfect.</p><p>Also dpkg and apt-get couldn't fix the problem.  There was some invalid setup.  I had installed from the 'alternate cd' since I did not get a 'new release' button (couldn't detect a new release from behind a proxy for some reason).  I neglected to have it download updates from the internet, instead figuring on upgrading from cd then doing an update, but synaptic just crashed after upgrading from the cd.  I think this was the root problem for me... fuck'in thing sucks, next time I'll do it live.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blank and flickering screens ... nvidia ... keyboard input failures ...Same here .
I also had a bad automount because a network fs was down at the time .
This made it switch to the character screen and flash about twice per second .
Sometimes it would eat characters from the keyboard so it was impossible to enter a password ( no feedback on if the keypress 'took ' or not ) .I solved it by booting 2.6.28 , editing the boot line to take off everything except single user mode , then when the repair menu comes up type 'r ' ( ?
) for root console .
If I cursor 'd down instead of typing in the 'r ' then it would get an error message and then any key I pressed would be interpreted as a return , which of course makes it impossible to enter the root password... after that aptitude charcter mode fixed the problem and next boot was perfect.Also dpkg and apt-get could n't fix the problem .
There was some invalid setup .
I had installed from the 'alternate cd ' since I did not get a 'new release ' button ( could n't detect a new release from behind a proxy for some reason ) .
I neglected to have it download updates from the internet , instead figuring on upgrading from cd then doing an update , but synaptic just crashed after upgrading from the cd .
I think this was the root problem for me... fuck'in thing sucks , next time I 'll do it live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blank and flickering screens ... nvidia ... keyboard input failures ...Same here.
I also had a bad automount because a network fs was down at the time.
This made it switch to the character screen and flash about twice per second.
Sometimes it would eat characters from the keyboard so it was impossible to enter a password (no feedback on if the keypress 'took' or not).I solved it by booting 2.6.28, editing the boot line to take off everything except single user mode, then when the repair menu comes up type 'r' (?
) for root console.
If I cursor'd down instead of typing in the 'r' then it would get an error message and then any key I pressed would be interpreted as a return, which of course makes it impossible to enter the root password... after that aptitude charcter mode fixed the problem and next boot was perfect.Also dpkg and apt-get couldn't fix the problem.
There was some invalid setup.
I had installed from the 'alternate cd' since I did not get a 'new release' button (couldn't detect a new release from behind a proxy for some reason).
I neglected to have it download updates from the internet, instead figuring on upgrading from cd then doing an update, but synaptic just crashed after upgrading from the cd.
I think this was the root problem for me... fuck'in thing sucks, next time I'll do it live.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</id>
	<title>indeed</title>
	<author>pele</author>
	<datestamp>1257247860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>me being one of the early adopters that got stung<br>I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>me being one of the early adopters that got stungI have n't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95</tokentext>
<sentencetext>me being one of the early adopters that got stungI haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970508</id>
	<title>defectivebydesign</title>
	<author>MMORG</author>
	<datestamp>1257250860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on now, where's the "defectivebydesign" tag on this story?  You know you want to, you're just afraid!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on now , where 's the " defectivebydesign " tag on this story ?
You know you want to , you 're just afraid !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on now, where's the "defectivebydesign" tag on this story?
You know you want to, you're just afraid!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972282</id>
	<title>Minor problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257259560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had two problems. The first was that the upgrade wouldn't go ahead because there was some dependency problem with konqueror. This was fixed on the Ubuntu bug tracker in about three hours (uninstall it, upgrade, re-install). They're still analyzing why it happened but the problem is fixed from my point of view.</p><p>The second was corrupt graphics when X started which I solved with a bit of Googling. Turns of the gfrlx driver doesn't support some of the older ATI cards (like my HD 2400 Pro). Changing the device to "radeon" and uninstalling the gfrlx drivers fixed that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had two problems .
The first was that the upgrade would n't go ahead because there was some dependency problem with konqueror .
This was fixed on the Ubuntu bug tracker in about three hours ( uninstall it , upgrade , re-install ) .
They 're still analyzing why it happened but the problem is fixed from my point of view.The second was corrupt graphics when X started which I solved with a bit of Googling .
Turns of the gfrlx driver does n't support some of the older ATI cards ( like my HD 2400 Pro ) .
Changing the device to " radeon " and uninstalling the gfrlx drivers fixed that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had two problems.
The first was that the upgrade wouldn't go ahead because there was some dependency problem with konqueror.
This was fixed on the Ubuntu bug tracker in about three hours (uninstall it, upgrade, re-install).
They're still analyzing why it happened but the problem is fixed from my point of view.The second was corrupt graphics when X started which I solved with a bit of Googling.
Turns of the gfrlx driver doesn't support some of the older ATI cards (like my HD 2400 Pro).
Changing the device to "radeon" and uninstalling the gfrlx drivers fixed that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970750</id>
	<title>Some hiccups but mostly fine</title>
	<author>leopardi</author>
	<datestamp>1257251700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 on an Intel machine, with the following problems (from memory, corrections, if any, will be in a reply).
</p><ol>
<li>
The upgrade process hung, so I killed it and ran "dpkg --configure -a".
The upgrade then completed.
</li><li>
After logging in I noticed that quanta was missing. It looks like quanta is not ready for KDE 4.3.2.
I fixed this by downgrading kdewebdev to KDE 3.5.10:
The KDE software manager KPackageKit was not up to the job of sorting out dependencies, and complained about them one at a time.
I used Synaptic instead.
</li><li>
The screen was flickering, so I used the Display button in System Settings to change the resolution and refresh rate from 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz.
After a hiccup or two (eg. the top 1/2 of the screen not displaying) I changed the settings to 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz.
This now works fine.
</li></ol><p>
Everything now seems to work, including the desktop effects.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 on an Intel machine , with the following problems ( from memory , corrections , if any , will be in a reply ) .
The upgrade process hung , so I killed it and ran " dpkg --configure -a " .
The upgrade then completed .
After logging in I noticed that quanta was missing .
It looks like quanta is not ready for KDE 4.3.2 .
I fixed this by downgrading kdewebdev to KDE 3.5.10 : The KDE software manager KPackageKit was not up to the job of sorting out dependencies , and complained about them one at a time .
I used Synaptic instead .
The screen was flickering , so I used the Display button in System Settings to change the resolution and refresh rate from 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz .
After a hiccup or two ( eg .
the top 1/2 of the screen not displaying ) I changed the settings to 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz .
This now works fine .
Everything now seems to work , including the desktop effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 on an Intel machine, with the following problems (from memory, corrections, if any, will be in a reply).
The upgrade process hung, so I killed it and ran "dpkg --configure -a".
The upgrade then completed.
After logging in I noticed that quanta was missing.
It looks like quanta is not ready for KDE 4.3.2.
I fixed this by downgrading kdewebdev to KDE 3.5.10:
The KDE software manager KPackageKit was not up to the job of sorting out dependencies, and complained about them one at a time.
I used Synaptic instead.
The screen was flickering, so I used the Display button in System Settings to change the resolution and refresh rate from 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz.
After a hiccup or two (eg.
the top 1/2 of the screen not displaying) I changed the settings to 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz.
This now works fine.
Everything now seems to work, including the desktop effects.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970232</id>
	<title>Eclipse problem and workaround</title>
	<author>Elrac</author>
	<datestamp>1257249900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm happy to say I had only one problem with 9.10: In some cases buttons in the Eclipse GUI could not be mouse-clicked. The "OK" button would assume its "pressed" look but would not do anything. It was possible to click such buttons using the keyboard, however.</p><p>Thankfully, I was not the first with this problem and found a solution on the 'Net: You can set the environment variable</p><p><tt>GDK\_NATIVE\_WINDOWS=true</tt></p><p>before starting Eclipse and then everything will be fine. Well, as far as that problem is concerned, anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm happy to say I had only one problem with 9.10 : In some cases buttons in the Eclipse GUI could not be mouse-clicked .
The " OK " button would assume its " pressed " look but would not do anything .
It was possible to click such buttons using the keyboard , however.Thankfully , I was not the first with this problem and found a solution on the 'Net : You can set the environment variableGDK \ _NATIVE \ _WINDOWS = truebefore starting Eclipse and then everything will be fine .
Well , as far as that problem is concerned , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm happy to say I had only one problem with 9.10: In some cases buttons in the Eclipse GUI could not be mouse-clicked.
The "OK" button would assume its "pressed" look but would not do anything.
It was possible to click such buttons using the keyboard, however.Thankfully, I was not the first with this problem and found a solution on the 'Net: You can set the environment variableGDK\_NATIVE\_WINDOWS=truebefore starting Eclipse and then everything will be fine.
Well, as far as that problem is concerned, anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971086</id>
	<title>Works for me</title>
	<author>Tillmann</author>
	<datestamp>1257252900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>upgraded, works for me.</p><p>The best news is: PulseAudio no longer sucks. The audio system has been vastly improved.</p><p>bye,<br>Till</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,upgraded , works for me.The best news is : PulseAudio no longer sucks .
The audio system has been vastly improved.bye,Till</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,upgraded, works for me.The best news is: PulseAudio no longer sucks.
The audio system has been vastly improved.bye,Till</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970966</id>
	<title>Actually, I had a very smooth upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257252480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My laptop, which is picky and prone to weirdness, had no problems with the upgrade.  I think I clicked a total of three on screen prompts, rebooted, and everything just worked.  I haven't dug too deeply into all of the new improvements yet (no time), but I am once again impressed with how well the system operates.</p><p>Past releases had clean graphical interfaces on top of a solid OS.  Koala is really pretty AND is still a solid OS.</p><p>-Oakbox</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My laptop , which is picky and prone to weirdness , had no problems with the upgrade .
I think I clicked a total of three on screen prompts , rebooted , and everything just worked .
I have n't dug too deeply into all of the new improvements yet ( no time ) , but I am once again impressed with how well the system operates.Past releases had clean graphical interfaces on top of a solid OS .
Koala is really pretty AND is still a solid OS.-Oakbox</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laptop, which is picky and prone to weirdness, had no problems with the upgrade.
I think I clicked a total of three on screen prompts, rebooted, and everything just worked.
I haven't dug too deeply into all of the new improvements yet (no time), but I am once again impressed with how well the system operates.Past releases had clean graphical interfaces on top of a solid OS.
Koala is really pretty AND is still a solid OS.-Oakbox</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29979278</id>
	<title>Re:Rants replacing Bug reports?</title>
	<author>quippe</author>
	<datestamp>1257008220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've been using Linux for 11 years. Before Linux captured 10+\% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common. We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it. IOW, the users were the testers. We understood that and agreed to it. We were patient and our patience was rewarded.
<br> <br>
Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers. These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free. Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.</p> </div><p>Well i strongly agree with your points; however, dont forget that the technically oriented community you cited, *could* write well described and documented bug reports: that meant having clean bug trackers and development cycles. Now, that new user base cant even understand (yet?) if a bug should be reported at distro level, or upstream. The new challenge for linux in desktop end-user environments, is actually to found one solution between teaching new concepts to the "ignorant masses" (how i hate that definition) and/or automate bug reporting tools in a process integrated with packaging. Or, redirecting all reports to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/null as microsoft seemed to do in the last years (and they had only to track os and a small bunch of apps and drivers).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Linux for 11 years .
Before Linux captured 10 + \ % of the desktop market share ( according to Ballmer himself !
) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting was n't that common .
We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it .
IOW , the users were the testers .
We understood that and agreed to it .
We were patient and our patience was rewarded .
Now , we have a generation of users who do n't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers .
These users do n't care that they get the OS , the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free .
Even worse , they do n't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application 's bugzilla site .
Well i strongly agree with your points ; however , dont forget that the technically oriented community you cited , * could * write well described and documented bug reports : that meant having clean bug trackers and development cycles .
Now , that new user base cant even understand ( yet ?
) if a bug should be reported at distro level , or upstream .
The new challenge for linux in desktop end-user environments , is actually to found one solution between teaching new concepts to the " ignorant masses " ( how i hate that definition ) and/or automate bug reporting tools in a process integrated with packaging .
Or , redirecting all reports to /dev/null as microsoft seemed to do in the last years ( and they had only to track os and a small bunch of apps and drivers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Linux for 11 years.
Before Linux captured 10+\% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!
) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common.
We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it.
IOW, the users were the testers.
We understood that and agreed to it.
We were patient and our patience was rewarded.
Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers.
These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free.
Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.
Well i strongly agree with your points; however, dont forget that the technically oriented community you cited, *could* write well described and documented bug reports: that meant having clean bug trackers and development cycles.
Now, that new user base cant even understand (yet?
) if a bug should be reported at distro level, or upstream.
The new challenge for linux in desktop end-user environments, is actually to found one solution between teaching new concepts to the "ignorant masses" (how i hate that definition) and/or automate bug reporting tools in a process integrated with packaging.
Or, redirecting all reports to /dev/null as microsoft seemed to do in the last years (and they had only to track os and a small bunch of apps and drivers).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973206</id>
	<title>MSi Wind u100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MSi Wind u100 works perfect with 9.04. Now, this new Ubuntu Release has 3 bugs, one of them makes the laptop (at least for me) unusable -backlight changing-, the others are USB and standby-hibernation related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MSi Wind u100 works perfect with 9.04 .
Now , this new Ubuntu Release has 3 bugs , one of them makes the laptop ( at least for me ) unusable -backlight changing- , the others are USB and standby-hibernation related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSi Wind u100 works perfect with 9.04.
Now, this new Ubuntu Release has 3 bugs, one of them makes the laptop (at least for me) unusable -backlight changing-, the others are USB and standby-hibernation related.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974050</id>
	<title>My experience with the upgrade.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257272940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My experience is this: I was running 9.04 on a MacBook Pro and went to upgrade. The upgrade failed because of a bad hash on Tux Kart. I was pretty perturbed that the upgrade would fail because of a silly game. Anyhow, I uninstalled the game and then the install went fine. I did initially get the white screen after log in, but that was because I failed to update the grub file (had to do it manually after my goof) *

The only issue I have noticed are:

1) Occasionally, I can't seem to buttons in eclipse with the mouse in dialogs, keyboard is fine.
2) The stupid notification bubble last way too long!  I understand that it needs to be long for new/slow readers, but why isn't it configurable? Yes, I can spend some time and write a configuring application, but really, why must I?

Anyhow, I'm pretty happy with the upgrade beside that.

*BTW: It did not install the new grub2 grub.cfg file or anything that some have mentioned. Maybe because I'm on a Mac.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience is this : I was running 9.04 on a MacBook Pro and went to upgrade .
The upgrade failed because of a bad hash on Tux Kart .
I was pretty perturbed that the upgrade would fail because of a silly game .
Anyhow , I uninstalled the game and then the install went fine .
I did initially get the white screen after log in , but that was because I failed to update the grub file ( had to do it manually after my goof ) * The only issue I have noticed are : 1 ) Occasionally , I ca n't seem to buttons in eclipse with the mouse in dialogs , keyboard is fine .
2 ) The stupid notification bubble last way too long !
I understand that it needs to be long for new/slow readers , but why is n't it configurable ?
Yes , I can spend some time and write a configuring application , but really , why must I ?
Anyhow , I 'm pretty happy with the upgrade beside that .
* BTW : It did not install the new grub2 grub.cfg file or anything that some have mentioned .
Maybe because I 'm on a Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience is this: I was running 9.04 on a MacBook Pro and went to upgrade.
The upgrade failed because of a bad hash on Tux Kart.
I was pretty perturbed that the upgrade would fail because of a silly game.
Anyhow, I uninstalled the game and then the install went fine.
I did initially get the white screen after log in, but that was because I failed to update the grub file (had to do it manually after my goof) *

The only issue I have noticed are:

1) Occasionally, I can't seem to buttons in eclipse with the mouse in dialogs, keyboard is fine.
2) The stupid notification bubble last way too long!
I understand that it needs to be long for new/slow readers, but why isn't it configurable?
Yes, I can spend some time and write a configuring application, but really, why must I?
Anyhow, I'm pretty happy with the upgrade beside that.
*BTW: It did not install the new grub2 grub.cfg file or anything that some have mentioned.
Maybe because I'm on a Mac.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973174</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>ServerIrv</author>
	<datestamp>1257266820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After backing up my 9.04 install, I performed a fresh 9.10 install which allowed me to change from ext3 to ext4 (kept<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot as etx3).<br>
Blank and flickering screens: No<br>
Failure to recognize hard drives: Nope<br>
Defaulting to old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Nope, I'm on 2.6.31-14<br>
Failure to get encryption running: well, yeah, but only because I didn't use it.<br> <br>

PulseAudio now works in Skype<br>
My webcam now works and doesn't freeze after 3 minutes.<br>
Boot times are a lot faster (although I haven't really had to reboot except to install the nvidia 185.18.36 driver)<br>
Movie Player now actually plays video while Firefox is running.<br>
Sound in VMWare works without making any changes or customizations.<br>
My dual monitor setup now works properly through the Nvidia control panel<br>
Flash video works a lot better in Firefox.<br> <br>

OK, can all of these good things be attributed to 9.10?  Probably not, but I'd just like to show that 9.10 is working great.  I've submitted a bug report already, but I always do.  Great work to the Ubuntu and Linux community.  I have a lot of friends that have upgraded and all have had tons more positives in 9.10 than negatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After backing up my 9.04 install , I performed a fresh 9.10 install which allowed me to change from ext3 to ext4 ( kept /boot as etx3 ) .
Blank and flickering screens : No Failure to recognize hard drives : Nope Defaulting to old 2.6.28 Linux kernel : Nope , I 'm on 2.6.31-14 Failure to get encryption running : well , yeah , but only because I did n't use it .
PulseAudio now works in Skype My webcam now works and does n't freeze after 3 minutes .
Boot times are a lot faster ( although I have n't really had to reboot except to install the nvidia 185.18.36 driver ) Movie Player now actually plays video while Firefox is running .
Sound in VMWare works without making any changes or customizations .
My dual monitor setup now works properly through the Nvidia control panel Flash video works a lot better in Firefox .
OK , can all of these good things be attributed to 9.10 ?
Probably not , but I 'd just like to show that 9.10 is working great .
I 've submitted a bug report already , but I always do .
Great work to the Ubuntu and Linux community .
I have a lot of friends that have upgraded and all have had tons more positives in 9.10 than negatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After backing up my 9.04 install, I performed a fresh 9.10 install which allowed me to change from ext3 to ext4 (kept /boot as etx3).
Blank and flickering screens: No
Failure to recognize hard drives: Nope
Defaulting to old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Nope, I'm on 2.6.31-14
Failure to get encryption running: well, yeah, but only because I didn't use it.
PulseAudio now works in Skype
My webcam now works and doesn't freeze after 3 minutes.
Boot times are a lot faster (although I haven't really had to reboot except to install the nvidia 185.18.36 driver)
Movie Player now actually plays video while Firefox is running.
Sound in VMWare works without making any changes or customizations.
My dual monitor setup now works properly through the Nvidia control panel
Flash video works a lot better in Firefox.
OK, can all of these good things be attributed to 9.10?
Probably not, but I'd just like to show that 9.10 is working great.
I've submitted a bug report already, but I always do.
Great work to the Ubuntu and Linux community.
I have a lot of friends that have upgraded and all have had tons more positives in 9.10 than negatives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29984248</id>
	<title>I upgraded</title>
	<author>downhole</author>
	<datestamp>1256979600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded to Karmic on my main home computer pretty much as soon as I could get all of the packages downloaded, which admittedly took a while. I wonder if they could speed up the process by letting you download a file with all of the package updates over Bittorrent? AFAIK, I could download the install disc over Bittorrent, but the only thing I'd be able to do with it is reinstall, which I'd rather avoid if possible.</p><p>Anyways, I'm happy so far with how it's running. One big fix for me is that the ATI display drivers are working much better. I'm using integrated Radeon 3200 graphics. When I installed Jaunty on it, the default drivers were fine but un-accelerated, so I let it install the proprietary drivers. They gave me accelerated video, but also a really annoying flicker/line jump problem that nobody was able to help me with. I messed with installing newer versions of ATI's drivers, but they all had the same problem, so I gave up and kept running un-accelerated. This wasn't a huge loss, as I don't play games on it or anything, but still annoying. I did try installing a spare NVidia card that was lying around, and I managed to get good accelerated video on that. When Karmic came around, I was hoping that this bug would be gone. Before I installed it, I removed the NVidia card and rebooted - this did seem to cause some problems, with some garbled graphics and funny dialog boxes from X when I started up again. I was able to get to a desktop and uninstall all of the NVidia-related packages, and it worked fine when I rebooted after that. That's one of the things that can be pretty annoying about Linux/X - it just doesn't handle switching graphics around nearly as smoothly as Windows. But I got back on the integrated Radeon graphics and ran the update, and when it rebooted into Karmic, I let it install the proprietary drivers, and now it works great. So good job there - I guess it was an X update that did it.</p><p>I can't really think of any actual problems I've had with it. Sound still works fine everywhere, but since the update, it seems to be turning off the sound system when it's idle so that I get a popping sound on the speakers when some sound starts playing. Mildly annoying, but I don't really mind. The new drive management app seems to do a little better then what they had before, but I haven't messed with it much yet. I do know that in general, Linux could use some polish on this - I'd like better, more clear control over what drives get mounted where, when.</p><p>Of course, Windows has it's own share of problems. I have it installed on an extra drive on the same computer, and finding drivers is more of a headache than any of the Linux computers I've tried. And it doesn't come with any significant software or any built-in places to get good, safe software. And it doesn't support any drive formats other than NTFS and FAT32, so my ext3/4 and HFS+ formatted drives are unreadable, and no free utility I can find will let me read them. Meanwhile, Ubuntu, despite coming on CD instead of DVD, has a mail program, an office suite, a graphics editor, photo manager, music manager/player and video player supporting more formats, and a built-in app to download programs to do other things that are known to be free of malware, and it reads and writes every drive format I can throw at it, if not out of the box, then with a free download that is automatically installed. Yep, I guess Windows just isn't ready for the desktop yet<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded to Karmic on my main home computer pretty much as soon as I could get all of the packages downloaded , which admittedly took a while .
I wonder if they could speed up the process by letting you download a file with all of the package updates over Bittorrent ?
AFAIK , I could download the install disc over Bittorrent , but the only thing I 'd be able to do with it is reinstall , which I 'd rather avoid if possible.Anyways , I 'm happy so far with how it 's running .
One big fix for me is that the ATI display drivers are working much better .
I 'm using integrated Radeon 3200 graphics .
When I installed Jaunty on it , the default drivers were fine but un-accelerated , so I let it install the proprietary drivers .
They gave me accelerated video , but also a really annoying flicker/line jump problem that nobody was able to help me with .
I messed with installing newer versions of ATI 's drivers , but they all had the same problem , so I gave up and kept running un-accelerated .
This was n't a huge loss , as I do n't play games on it or anything , but still annoying .
I did try installing a spare NVidia card that was lying around , and I managed to get good accelerated video on that .
When Karmic came around , I was hoping that this bug would be gone .
Before I installed it , I removed the NVidia card and rebooted - this did seem to cause some problems , with some garbled graphics and funny dialog boxes from X when I started up again .
I was able to get to a desktop and uninstall all of the NVidia-related packages , and it worked fine when I rebooted after that .
That 's one of the things that can be pretty annoying about Linux/X - it just does n't handle switching graphics around nearly as smoothly as Windows .
But I got back on the integrated Radeon graphics and ran the update , and when it rebooted into Karmic , I let it install the proprietary drivers , and now it works great .
So good job there - I guess it was an X update that did it.I ca n't really think of any actual problems I 've had with it .
Sound still works fine everywhere , but since the update , it seems to be turning off the sound system when it 's idle so that I get a popping sound on the speakers when some sound starts playing .
Mildly annoying , but I do n't really mind .
The new drive management app seems to do a little better then what they had before , but I have n't messed with it much yet .
I do know that in general , Linux could use some polish on this - I 'd like better , more clear control over what drives get mounted where , when.Of course , Windows has it 's own share of problems .
I have it installed on an extra drive on the same computer , and finding drivers is more of a headache than any of the Linux computers I 've tried .
And it does n't come with any significant software or any built-in places to get good , safe software .
And it does n't support any drive formats other than NTFS and FAT32 , so my ext3/4 and HFS + formatted drives are unreadable , and no free utility I can find will let me read them .
Meanwhile , Ubuntu , despite coming on CD instead of DVD , has a mail program , an office suite , a graphics editor , photo manager , music manager/player and video player supporting more formats , and a built-in app to download programs to do other things that are known to be free of malware , and it reads and writes every drive format I can throw at it , if not out of the box , then with a free download that is automatically installed .
Yep , I guess Windows just is n't ready for the desktop yet : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded to Karmic on my main home computer pretty much as soon as I could get all of the packages downloaded, which admittedly took a while.
I wonder if they could speed up the process by letting you download a file with all of the package updates over Bittorrent?
AFAIK, I could download the install disc over Bittorrent, but the only thing I'd be able to do with it is reinstall, which I'd rather avoid if possible.Anyways, I'm happy so far with how it's running.
One big fix for me is that the ATI display drivers are working much better.
I'm using integrated Radeon 3200 graphics.
When I installed Jaunty on it, the default drivers were fine but un-accelerated, so I let it install the proprietary drivers.
They gave me accelerated video, but also a really annoying flicker/line jump problem that nobody was able to help me with.
I messed with installing newer versions of ATI's drivers, but they all had the same problem, so I gave up and kept running un-accelerated.
This wasn't a huge loss, as I don't play games on it or anything, but still annoying.
I did try installing a spare NVidia card that was lying around, and I managed to get good accelerated video on that.
When Karmic came around, I was hoping that this bug would be gone.
Before I installed it, I removed the NVidia card and rebooted - this did seem to cause some problems, with some garbled graphics and funny dialog boxes from X when I started up again.
I was able to get to a desktop and uninstall all of the NVidia-related packages, and it worked fine when I rebooted after that.
That's one of the things that can be pretty annoying about Linux/X - it just doesn't handle switching graphics around nearly as smoothly as Windows.
But I got back on the integrated Radeon graphics and ran the update, and when it rebooted into Karmic, I let it install the proprietary drivers, and now it works great.
So good job there - I guess it was an X update that did it.I can't really think of any actual problems I've had with it.
Sound still works fine everywhere, but since the update, it seems to be turning off the sound system when it's idle so that I get a popping sound on the speakers when some sound starts playing.
Mildly annoying, but I don't really mind.
The new drive management app seems to do a little better then what they had before, but I haven't messed with it much yet.
I do know that in general, Linux could use some polish on this - I'd like better, more clear control over what drives get mounted where, when.Of course, Windows has it's own share of problems.
I have it installed on an extra drive on the same computer, and finding drivers is more of a headache than any of the Linux computers I've tried.
And it doesn't come with any significant software or any built-in places to get good, safe software.
And it doesn't support any drive formats other than NTFS and FAT32, so my ext3/4 and HFS+ formatted drives are unreadable, and no free utility I can find will let me read them.
Meanwhile, Ubuntu, despite coming on CD instead of DVD, has a mail program, an office suite, a graphics editor, photo manager, music manager/player and video player supporting more formats, and a built-in app to download programs to do other things that are known to be free of malware, and it reads and writes every drive format I can throw at it, if not out of the box, then with a free download that is automatically installed.
Yep, I guess Windows just isn't ready for the desktop yet :D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29990442</id>
	<title>Re:The plural of anecdote isn't data</title>
	<author>ancientt</author>
	<datestamp>1257006780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adding fuel to the anecdotal fire: I run Ubuntu on my primary workstation (not on my servers, are you insane?) and would normally wait a couple weeks before this kind of upgrade but there is this lady that I like who I gave a Ubuntu workstation to... so, yeah, I clicked the shiny button as soon as it came up figuring it would be best to know what I was likely to get a call about. It worked very well for me, no problems. My new printer still doesn't like Linux, but it is listed as "paperweight" in the lists I checked so I'm not exactly surprised. Sure enough, a couple hours later I was able to say "yes, it will probably be okay, it worked fine for me" and describe what she would likely see. I also got a chance to lecture on the wisdom of waiting a bit before doing major upgrades. Fortunately, her upgrade went smoothly as well even though her computer is older than my school age child. (Yes, the one I gave her is old, but it was free and she didn't have Internet access, couldn't have that could we?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adding fuel to the anecdotal fire : I run Ubuntu on my primary workstation ( not on my servers , are you insane ?
) and would normally wait a couple weeks before this kind of upgrade but there is this lady that I like who I gave a Ubuntu workstation to... so , yeah , I clicked the shiny button as soon as it came up figuring it would be best to know what I was likely to get a call about .
It worked very well for me , no problems .
My new printer still does n't like Linux , but it is listed as " paperweight " in the lists I checked so I 'm not exactly surprised .
Sure enough , a couple hours later I was able to say " yes , it will probably be okay , it worked fine for me " and describe what she would likely see .
I also got a chance to lecture on the wisdom of waiting a bit before doing major upgrades .
Fortunately , her upgrade went smoothly as well even though her computer is older than my school age child .
( Yes , the one I gave her is old , but it was free and she did n't have Internet access , could n't have that could we ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adding fuel to the anecdotal fire: I run Ubuntu on my primary workstation (not on my servers, are you insane?
) and would normally wait a couple weeks before this kind of upgrade but there is this lady that I like who I gave a Ubuntu workstation to... so, yeah, I clicked the shiny button as soon as it came up figuring it would be best to know what I was likely to get a call about.
It worked very well for me, no problems.
My new printer still doesn't like Linux, but it is listed as "paperweight" in the lists I checked so I'm not exactly surprised.
Sure enough, a couple hours later I was able to say "yes, it will probably be okay, it worked fine for me" and describe what she would likely see.
I also got a chance to lecture on the wisdom of waiting a bit before doing major upgrades.
Fortunately, her upgrade went smoothly as well even though her computer is older than my school age child.
(Yes, the one I gave her is old, but it was free and she didn't have Internet access, couldn't have that could we?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969748</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980966</id>
	<title>Got blank screens?</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1257013380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My laptop would freeze whenever the display went idle after I upgraded to Karmic. It was a DPMS problem. To fix it, in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the monitor section, add:
<br> <br>
Option "DPMS" "Off"
<br> <br>
And restart (or at least restart X). That's the only problem I had upgrading to Karmic, with a laptop known for video issues under Linux.
<br> <br>
Since upgrading, startup and shutdown are faster, video playback performance has improved (this laptop has a crappy 1.9Ghz single-core P4 and a half-gig of RAM, so playing video from embedded flash players pushes it to its limits), and the UI looks a little better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My laptop would freeze whenever the display went idle after I upgraded to Karmic .
It was a DPMS problem .
To fix it , in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , in the monitor section , add : Option " DPMS " " Off " And restart ( or at least restart X ) .
That 's the only problem I had upgrading to Karmic , with a laptop known for video issues under Linux .
Since upgrading , startup and shutdown are faster , video playback performance has improved ( this laptop has a crappy 1.9Ghz single-core P4 and a half-gig of RAM , so playing video from embedded flash players pushes it to its limits ) , and the UI looks a little better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laptop would freeze whenever the display went idle after I upgraded to Karmic.
It was a DPMS problem.
To fix it, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the monitor section, add:
 
Option "DPMS" "Off"
 
And restart (or at least restart X).
That's the only problem I had upgrading to Karmic, with a laptop known for video issues under Linux.
Since upgrading, startup and shutdown are faster, video playback performance has improved (this laptop has a crappy 1.9Ghz single-core P4 and a half-gig of RAM, so playing video from embedded flash players pushes it to its limits), and the UI looks a little better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970642</id>
	<title>OK, how long should I wait then?</title>
	<author>BanachSpaceCadet</author>
	<datestamp>1257251280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been an early adopter in the past, but right now, I can't risk stability issues.  I only have one computer, and if it's not running, I can't do my work.  I'm willing to spend a few hours installing, but I don't have time to spend an entire day ironing out bugs.  Surely things should stabilize within a few weeks or months.  Does anyone have a suggestion as to  how long I should wait?  (I plan to do a fresh install.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been an early adopter in the past , but right now , I ca n't risk stability issues .
I only have one computer , and if it 's not running , I ca n't do my work .
I 'm willing to spend a few hours installing , but I do n't have time to spend an entire day ironing out bugs .
Surely things should stabilize within a few weeks or months .
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how long I should wait ?
( I plan to do a fresh install .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been an early adopter in the past, but right now, I can't risk stability issues.
I only have one computer, and if it's not running, I can't do my work.
I'm willing to spend a few hours installing, but I don't have time to spend an entire day ironing out bugs.
Surely things should stabilize within a few weeks or months.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to  how long I should wait?
(I plan to do a fresh install.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978944</id>
	<title>Re:Unbuntu 9.10 better than...</title>
	<author>woongbin</author>
	<datestamp>1257007140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the way, I am sure you can find better machines in dumpsters...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , I am sure you can find better machines in dumpsters... ; P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way, I am sure you can find better machines in dumpsters... ;P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973404</id>
	<title>Re:Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better!</title>
	<author>thatkid\_2002</author>
	<datestamp>1257268860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ubuntu has THE WORST KDE implementation around. It's because of Ubuntu's silly patches to KDE which provide no actual benefit besides providing a Windows(tm) style experience complete with constant lagging and crashing.<br> Any other distro is better for KDE (amongst other things).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu has THE WORST KDE implementation around .
It 's because of Ubuntu 's silly patches to KDE which provide no actual benefit besides providing a Windows ( tm ) style experience complete with constant lagging and crashing .
Any other distro is better for KDE ( amongst other things ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu has THE WORST KDE implementation around.
It's because of Ubuntu's silly patches to KDE which provide no actual benefit besides providing a Windows(tm) style experience complete with constant lagging and crashing.
Any other distro is better for KDE (amongst other things).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969920</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974348</id>
	<title>Is it a hard disk failure?</title>
	<author>muxecoid</author>
	<datestamp>1257275580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I downloaded the netbook<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso under desktop kubuntu twice and I got different MD5 sums. Furthermore both times the MD5 was different from the expected md5. Strange things happening.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I downloaded the netbook .iso under desktop kubuntu twice and I got different MD5 sums .
Furthermore both times the MD5 was different from the expected md5 .
Strange things happening .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I downloaded the netbook .iso under desktop kubuntu twice and I got different MD5 sums.
Furthermore both times the MD5 was different from the expected md5.
Strange things happening.
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976126</id>
	<title>Re:Rants replacing Bug reports?</title>
	<author>mok000</author>
	<datestamp>1256990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most sensible comment I've seen on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in a long, long time! Thank you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most sensible comment I 've seen on / .
in a long , long time !
Thank you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most sensible comment I've seen on /.
in a long, long time!
Thank you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29974034</id>
	<title>argh Canonical, why did you do this?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257272880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Karmic has become the last straw for me.  Ever since 8.04, things have been going downhill.  I have not only bit with the netbook intel bug, I have also been fucked over with karmic not having the stable 190 nvidia driver, no vdpau in stock mplayer (the ppa fucked up kde something fierce), all the devs for EEE support scripts on ubuntu have gone in disgust over canonical's royal breaking of the kernel (and removing DKMS has made otherwise usable ones like EEE-control uninstallable), the poorly configured kernel ( why the insistance on one kernel to rule them all? desktops and laptops have different needs then servers and workstations), and my biggest pet peave, the abomination known as pulseaudio.  Between the perfect storm of pulse's idiosyncracies and canonicals insistence on borked kernel's, multimedia blows.</p><p>for example, I play sins of a solar empire on my linux box. With a quad phenom, 4 gigs of ram, and a gts 250 i get stuttering sound.  I never got stuttering even with playing freelancer on a old rage pro and p3.  That phenom box when I was running with a properly configured kernel and pulse disabled, it was smooth as silk. And on the netbook, sure I had to coerce the wireless to work in 8.04 but a little pain for about ten minutes is alot better then 9.04's intel performance from hell and 9.10's lack of super hybrid engine support.  I use linux so I don't have to fuck with my computer.  If i wanted headache and pain on something i am not getting paid for, i would go back to windows, with its lack of a sane application management system(no reason i have to babysit service packs) and random breakage from all the third party crap to get a useful system (nvidia and adobe and avg and all that other shit that makes me view those years like I was a battered wife).  I like Linux and have been using it for 5 years, but ubuntu makes me want to tear my hair out.</p><p>Screw it I am going back to SUSE.  It is a distro grounded in reality and actually has polish.  the boycott novell people can blow me. these are the same type of people who would go out with a girl for a week before getting dumped and a year later still be moping around.  Sane system management and solid desktop performance is what users want, not buzzword compliance and a fancy launcher.</p><p>(forgive the rant, just a year of pent up anger at canonical.  I want them to succeed. I just want them to remember the users they have, instead of replacing disgruntled users with magpie bling.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Karmic has become the last straw for me .
Ever since 8.04 , things have been going downhill .
I have not only bit with the netbook intel bug , I have also been fucked over with karmic not having the stable 190 nvidia driver , no vdpau in stock mplayer ( the ppa fucked up kde something fierce ) , all the devs for EEE support scripts on ubuntu have gone in disgust over canonical 's royal breaking of the kernel ( and removing DKMS has made otherwise usable ones like EEE-control uninstallable ) , the poorly configured kernel ( why the insistance on one kernel to rule them all ?
desktops and laptops have different needs then servers and workstations ) , and my biggest pet peave , the abomination known as pulseaudio .
Between the perfect storm of pulse 's idiosyncracies and canonicals insistence on borked kernel 's , multimedia blows.for example , I play sins of a solar empire on my linux box .
With a quad phenom , 4 gigs of ram , and a gts 250 i get stuttering sound .
I never got stuttering even with playing freelancer on a old rage pro and p3 .
That phenom box when I was running with a properly configured kernel and pulse disabled , it was smooth as silk .
And on the netbook , sure I had to coerce the wireless to work in 8.04 but a little pain for about ten minutes is alot better then 9.04 's intel performance from hell and 9.10 's lack of super hybrid engine support .
I use linux so I do n't have to fuck with my computer .
If i wanted headache and pain on something i am not getting paid for , i would go back to windows , with its lack of a sane application management system ( no reason i have to babysit service packs ) and random breakage from all the third party crap to get a useful system ( nvidia and adobe and avg and all that other shit that makes me view those years like I was a battered wife ) .
I like Linux and have been using it for 5 years , but ubuntu makes me want to tear my hair out.Screw it I am going back to SUSE .
It is a distro grounded in reality and actually has polish .
the boycott novell people can blow me .
these are the same type of people who would go out with a girl for a week before getting dumped and a year later still be moping around .
Sane system management and solid desktop performance is what users want , not buzzword compliance and a fancy launcher .
( forgive the rant , just a year of pent up anger at canonical .
I want them to succeed .
I just want them to remember the users they have , instead of replacing disgruntled users with magpie bling .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Karmic has become the last straw for me.
Ever since 8.04, things have been going downhill.
I have not only bit with the netbook intel bug, I have also been fucked over with karmic not having the stable 190 nvidia driver, no vdpau in stock mplayer (the ppa fucked up kde something fierce), all the devs for EEE support scripts on ubuntu have gone in disgust over canonical's royal breaking of the kernel (and removing DKMS has made otherwise usable ones like EEE-control uninstallable), the poorly configured kernel ( why the insistance on one kernel to rule them all?
desktops and laptops have different needs then servers and workstations), and my biggest pet peave, the abomination known as pulseaudio.
Between the perfect storm of pulse's idiosyncracies and canonicals insistence on borked kernel's, multimedia blows.for example, I play sins of a solar empire on my linux box.
With a quad phenom, 4 gigs of ram, and a gts 250 i get stuttering sound.
I never got stuttering even with playing freelancer on a old rage pro and p3.
That phenom box when I was running with a properly configured kernel and pulse disabled, it was smooth as silk.
And on the netbook, sure I had to coerce the wireless to work in 8.04 but a little pain for about ten minutes is alot better then 9.04's intel performance from hell and 9.10's lack of super hybrid engine support.
I use linux so I don't have to fuck with my computer.
If i wanted headache and pain on something i am not getting paid for, i would go back to windows, with its lack of a sane application management system(no reason i have to babysit service packs) and random breakage from all the third party crap to get a useful system (nvidia and adobe and avg and all that other shit that makes me view those years like I was a battered wife).
I like Linux and have been using it for 5 years, but ubuntu makes me want to tear my hair out.Screw it I am going back to SUSE.
It is a distro grounded in reality and actually has polish.
the boycott novell people can blow me.
these are the same type of people who would go out with a girl for a week before getting dumped and a year later still be moping around.
Sane system management and solid desktop performance is what users want, not buzzword compliance and a fancy launcher.
(forgive the rant, just a year of pent up anger at canonical.
I want them to succeed.
I just want them to remember the users they have, instead of replacing disgruntled users with magpie bling.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970846</id>
	<title>Re:I got a bit stung</title>
	<author>shelterit</author>
	<datestamp>1257252000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My upgrade went fine, except that I used OSS instead of ALSA. I had *no* problems whatsofever. I *then* chose to go back to ALSA to see if they had improved support for Intel embedded sound chips, and -after stuffing around a bit, as usual, with the crappy asound / modprobe options - indeed they had, even the microphone seems to be alive. I like the Karmic Koala, it's all coming together very nicely. There's been a slight flurry of updates the last few days, which is good as they sort out the kinks, but all in all this beats Windows down the pants; I was a Windows user since version 2.0 (!!!) and a DOS users for years and years before that. I switched to Ubuntu about 9 months ago, and I am *blown*away* with it, and ashamed I didn't do it earlier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My upgrade went fine , except that I used OSS instead of ALSA .
I had * no * problems whatsofever .
I * then * chose to go back to ALSA to see if they had improved support for Intel embedded sound chips , and -after stuffing around a bit , as usual , with the crappy asound / modprobe options - indeed they had , even the microphone seems to be alive .
I like the Karmic Koala , it 's all coming together very nicely .
There 's been a slight flurry of updates the last few days , which is good as they sort out the kinks , but all in all this beats Windows down the pants ; I was a Windows user since version 2.0 ( ! ! !
) and a DOS users for years and years before that .
I switched to Ubuntu about 9 months ago , and I am * blown * away * with it , and ashamed I did n't do it earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My upgrade went fine, except that I used OSS instead of ALSA.
I had *no* problems whatsofever.
I *then* chose to go back to ALSA to see if they had improved support for Intel embedded sound chips, and -after stuffing around a bit, as usual, with the crappy asound / modprobe options - indeed they had, even the microphone seems to be alive.
I like the Karmic Koala, it's all coming together very nicely.
There's been a slight flurry of updates the last few days, which is good as they sort out the kinks, but all in all this beats Windows down the pants; I was a Windows user since version 2.0 (!!!
) and a DOS users for years and years before that.
I switched to Ubuntu about 9 months ago, and I am *blown*away* with it, and ashamed I didn't do it earlier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969674</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>punzada</author>
	<datestamp>1257248220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In jaunty my wireless card would cause kernel panics while writing to ext3 (known issue, bug report filed). Also needed to use a custom repo/manually install nvidia drivers as the one provided by the OS were unstable to say it nicely, and a giant massive headache to say it not so nicely.

In karmic my wireless card will not connect to WPA encrypted networks (known issue, bug report filed, still no fix).

Lesson Learned: Wireless hardware support is still garbage even with mostly generic Intel wireless chips in linux.

That being said, otherwise I've enjoyed Karmic quite a bit and haven't had any of the other issues others are claiming. If only my wireless could work 100\% I would be in love.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In jaunty my wireless card would cause kernel panics while writing to ext3 ( known issue , bug report filed ) .
Also needed to use a custom repo/manually install nvidia drivers as the one provided by the OS were unstable to say it nicely , and a giant massive headache to say it not so nicely .
In karmic my wireless card will not connect to WPA encrypted networks ( known issue , bug report filed , still no fix ) .
Lesson Learned : Wireless hardware support is still garbage even with mostly generic Intel wireless chips in linux .
That being said , otherwise I 've enjoyed Karmic quite a bit and have n't had any of the other issues others are claiming .
If only my wireless could work 100 \ % I would be in love .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In jaunty my wireless card would cause kernel panics while writing to ext3 (known issue, bug report filed).
Also needed to use a custom repo/manually install nvidia drivers as the one provided by the OS were unstable to say it nicely, and a giant massive headache to say it not so nicely.
In karmic my wireless card will not connect to WPA encrypted networks (known issue, bug report filed, still no fix).
Lesson Learned: Wireless hardware support is still garbage even with mostly generic Intel wireless chips in linux.
That being said, otherwise I've enjoyed Karmic quite a bit and haven't had any of the other issues others are claiming.
If only my wireless could work 100\% I would be in love.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980840</id>
	<title>Broke when it worked before...</title>
	<author>kimgkimg</author>
	<datestamp>1257012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed Karmic on my Dell Mini 9 and was not able to get to my wireless network.  After a few hours of searching on the various forums I was able to find a solution which had me reinstalling my Broadcom drivers from a different repository.  Of course this all worked in the prior release (v9.04), so I was a little surprised that basic networking was broken in the new one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Karmic on my Dell Mini 9 and was not able to get to my wireless network .
After a few hours of searching on the various forums I was able to find a solution which had me reinstalling my Broadcom drivers from a different repository .
Of course this all worked in the prior release ( v9.04 ) , so I was a little surprised that basic networking was broken in the new one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Karmic on my Dell Mini 9 and was not able to get to my wireless network.
After a few hours of searching on the various forums I was able to find a solution which had me reinstalling my Broadcom drivers from a different repository.
Of course this all worked in the prior release (v9.04), so I was a little surprised that basic networking was broken in the new one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970742</id>
	<title>My Ubuntu 9.10 problems</title>
	<author>Oliver\_Etchebarne</author>
	<datestamp>1257251640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is my list of issues I had installing Karmik Koala from scratch:</p><p>- First time I ran the installer, kernel panic (keyboard leds blinking)<br>- Totem said I didn't have the codecs to see DVD, but it didn't suggest me to install them nor gave me any info about which codec I needed. Automatic DVD reproduction shows a weird "not handle for URI" error.<br>- Empathy crashes alot. It doesn't have MSN emoticons, can't sent file drag'n'dropping like Pidgin.<br>- I hated that non-skinnable GDM from Fedora, now Ubuntu uses it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P<br>- I created a second admin account, I cannot log in with it, crashes with "Could not update ICEautority", and a bunch of other messages, showing only the wallpaper and the mouse pointer.</p><p>I've just reinstall 9.04, and I keep installing that version until 10.04 shows the light, hopping I'll be better. This version is the "Windows ME" of  Ubuntu<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is my list of issues I had installing Karmik Koala from scratch : - First time I ran the installer , kernel panic ( keyboard leds blinking ) - Totem said I did n't have the codecs to see DVD , but it did n't suggest me to install them nor gave me any info about which codec I needed .
Automatic DVD reproduction shows a weird " not handle for URI " error.- Empathy crashes alot .
It does n't have MSN emoticons , ca n't sent file drag'n'dropping like Pidgin.- I hated that non-skinnable GDM from Fedora , now Ubuntu uses it : -P- I created a second admin account , I can not log in with it , crashes with " Could not update ICEautority " , and a bunch of other messages , showing only the wallpaper and the mouse pointer.I 've just reinstall 9.04 , and I keep installing that version until 10.04 shows the light , hopping I 'll be better .
This version is the " Windows ME " of Ubuntu : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is my list of issues I had installing Karmik Koala from scratch:- First time I ran the installer, kernel panic (keyboard leds blinking)- Totem said I didn't have the codecs to see DVD, but it didn't suggest me to install them nor gave me any info about which codec I needed.
Automatic DVD reproduction shows a weird "not handle for URI" error.- Empathy crashes alot.
It doesn't have MSN emoticons, can't sent file drag'n'dropping like Pidgin.- I hated that non-skinnable GDM from Fedora, now Ubuntu uses it :-P- I created a second admin account, I cannot log in with it, crashes with "Could not update ICEautority", and a bunch of other messages, showing only the wallpaper and the mouse pointer.I've just reinstall 9.04, and I keep installing that version until 10.04 shows the light, hopping I'll be better.
This version is the "Windows ME" of  Ubuntu :-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29981082</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>runs flawlessly here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. much better than any of the previous ubuntu versions</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>runs flawlessly here .. much better than any of the previous ubuntu versions</tokentext>
<sentencetext>runs flawlessly here .. much better than any of the previous ubuntu versions</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971642</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257255600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You wouldn't have even had that option on Windows. Trying to install Win7, I was getting bluescreens left and right until I figured out which SATA controllers to enable and which ones to set which way in the BIOS, and that was before I could even install the damn thing. It works alright now, pretty ok as a gaming machine, but seriously... bluescreening on install? Requiring SATA to be run in IDE mode in 2009? It's obvious that Windows is not ready for the desktop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would n't have even had that option on Windows .
Trying to install Win7 , I was getting bluescreens left and right until I figured out which SATA controllers to enable and which ones to set which way in the BIOS , and that was before I could even install the damn thing .
It works alright now , pretty ok as a gaming machine , but seriously... bluescreening on install ?
Requiring SATA to be run in IDE mode in 2009 ?
It 's obvious that Windows is not ready for the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wouldn't have even had that option on Windows.
Trying to install Win7, I was getting bluescreens left and right until I figured out which SATA controllers to enable and which ones to set which way in the BIOS, and that was before I could even install the damn thing.
It works alright now, pretty ok as a gaming machine, but seriously... bluescreening on install?
Requiring SATA to be run in IDE mode in 2009?
It's obvious that Windows is not ready for the desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971046</id>
	<title>Definitely a bad upgrade</title>
	<author>benav</author>
	<datestamp>1257252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off, Karmic told me that one of my hard-drives was about to fail. I've since discovered this is almost certainly not true. In the process of trying to backup the data on that drive to an external drive, while copying large quantities of data the screensaver froze the computer entirely, so that the only option was a hard reset.

I'd only been using Linux for a month when this happened, and I didn't have the know-how to either revert to 9.04 or fix whatever was wrong, so I've migrated back to WinXP for the time being (slightly old machine without enough power for Vista or Win7).</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , Karmic told me that one of my hard-drives was about to fail .
I 've since discovered this is almost certainly not true .
In the process of trying to backup the data on that drive to an external drive , while copying large quantities of data the screensaver froze the computer entirely , so that the only option was a hard reset .
I 'd only been using Linux for a month when this happened , and I did n't have the know-how to either revert to 9.04 or fix whatever was wrong , so I 've migrated back to WinXP for the time being ( slightly old machine without enough power for Vista or Win7 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, Karmic told me that one of my hard-drives was about to fail.
I've since discovered this is almost certainly not true.
In the process of trying to backup the data on that drive to an external drive, while copying large quantities of data the screensaver froze the computer entirely, so that the only option was a hard reset.
I'd only been using Linux for a month when this happened, and I didn't have the know-how to either revert to 9.04 or fix whatever was wrong, so I've migrated back to WinXP for the time being (slightly old machine without enough power for Vista or Win7).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976862</id>
	<title>Re:My problems with 9.1</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1256998380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had the same problem, but I knew the reason.  9.04 didn't support my NVidia card with the provided binary drivers.  So, I installed the drivers provided by NVidia on their website. </p><p>When I started the upgrade, it dawned to me that I should have uninstalled those and then do the upgrade, but it was too late.  After the upgrade: flickering, etc...  I simply booted in recovery mode, started a shell, reinstalled the NVidia binary drivers manually rebooted and everything was fixed.</p><p>Now granted, I would rather use the Ubuntu provided binary drivers, but if they don't work I just do it the above way.  I still think this problem is caused by the fact that I already did install the drivers manually and Ubuntu upgrade was confused.  For kicks, I should just reinstall 9.10 from scratch to see what happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the same problem , but I knew the reason .
9.04 did n't support my NVidia card with the provided binary drivers .
So , I installed the drivers provided by NVidia on their website .
When I started the upgrade , it dawned to me that I should have uninstalled those and then do the upgrade , but it was too late .
After the upgrade : flickering , etc... I simply booted in recovery mode , started a shell , reinstalled the NVidia binary drivers manually rebooted and everything was fixed.Now granted , I would rather use the Ubuntu provided binary drivers , but if they do n't work I just do it the above way .
I still think this problem is caused by the fact that I already did install the drivers manually and Ubuntu upgrade was confused .
For kicks , I should just reinstall 9.10 from scratch to see what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the same problem, but I knew the reason.
9.04 didn't support my NVidia card with the provided binary drivers.
So, I installed the drivers provided by NVidia on their website.
When I started the upgrade, it dawned to me that I should have uninstalled those and then do the upgrade, but it was too late.
After the upgrade: flickering, etc...  I simply booted in recovery mode, started a shell, reinstalled the NVidia binary drivers manually rebooted and everything was fixed.Now granted, I would rather use the Ubuntu provided binary drivers, but if they don't work I just do it the above way.
I still think this problem is caused by the fact that I already did install the drivers manually and Ubuntu upgrade was confused.
For kicks, I should just reinstall 9.10 from scratch to see what happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970340</id>
	<title>Ubuntu 9.10 vs. Fedora 12</title>
	<author>sensei moreh</author>
	<datestamp>1257250200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Installed on my HP s3707c while still in development (early Aug), and have been updating ever since. No obvious issues other than video. The nouveau driver doesn't work with the onboard nvidia 9100 graphics, but this isn't an Ubuntu problem - I see the same issues with Fedora. However, using the proprietary nvidia driver, I can run compiz as my window manager in Fedora but not in Ubuntu. Ah, the joys of the bleeding edge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Installed on my HP s3707c while still in development ( early Aug ) , and have been updating ever since .
No obvious issues other than video .
The nouveau driver does n't work with the onboard nvidia 9100 graphics , but this is n't an Ubuntu problem - I see the same issues with Fedora .
However , using the proprietary nvidia driver , I can run compiz as my window manager in Fedora but not in Ubuntu .
Ah , the joys of the bleeding edge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Installed on my HP s3707c while still in development (early Aug), and have been updating ever since.
No obvious issues other than video.
The nouveau driver doesn't work with the onboard nvidia 9100 graphics, but this isn't an Ubuntu problem - I see the same issues with Fedora.
However, using the proprietary nvidia driver, I can run compiz as my window manager in Fedora but not in Ubuntu.
Ah, the joys of the bleeding edge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29985810</id>
	<title>My upgrades</title>
	<author>br00tus</author>
	<datestamp>1256984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I put Koala on two laptops - one an upgrade from Ibex, one a fresh install.</p><p>In mid-October I was running a Ubuntu-derivative Heron on my desktop and a straight, normal Ubuntu Ibex on my laptop.  I had a package application doing a segmentation fault under certain repeatable conditions with both.  I upgraded my laptop to Jackalope and still saw the bug.  I checked out Ubuntu's launchpad and saw that most of the new bugs reported were for the Koala beta. So I upgraded to Koala beta (thus, being one of the people who tested the beta).  The bug was still there, and I had apport report the bug to launchpad.  When the release happened I was doing work over the net, so I did a piecemeal upgrade to the full version, grabbing 100 megs of packages via apt-get, doing other work, grabbing another 100 megs of packages and so on until i had upgraded completely.  Aside from this third-party application bug which still persisted, the upgrade went fine for me.</p><p>Days later, someone who has a netbook running Windows said that it was broken and asked me to fix it since "I know how computers work".  They use it solely to surf the web and they only use their web browser.  It was blue screening on ever bootup, even "safe mode".  I booted with Ubuntu LiveCD on the USB, mounted the hard drive and tried to fix the startup but it persisted.  I did not have the time to deal with solving their Windows problem, and did not know how that Windows OEM recovery crap would work on this netbook.  I told them I could wipe Windows and put Ubuntu on and they could surf the web again.  They agreed.  I did a fresh install.</p><p>The first problem was, networking was not working.  Their netbook actually had a switch that turned networking on and off.  I made sure it was turned on, stopped and started the wifi and network stuff a few times, rebooted once or twice and then it came on.  As I said, I was in a rush and preferred it to just start working then diving into figuring out the problem.  The second problem is they could not watch Youtube because Flash was not installed.  I did not see flash as package, whether via apt-cache search or in that software universe GUI thing.  Adobe did not have the Koala (9.10) as a package download so I downloaded a previous version.  It could not find two package libraries.  So then I looked for Gnash or Swfdec, even though those aren't so great.  They were not listed.  So I told the person I would fix it so they could watch Youtube some other day, they could still access e-mail and so on.  So wifi was a slight bump, and Flash still is.</p><p>I went back to my laptop, which had been upgraded and not fresh installed and it could see Gnash and Swfdec as packages although the fresh install had not been able to.</p><p>Having looked at all of launchpad for my application problem, I began checking out other applications having problems on Koala.  I saw a few that said all was well in Jackalope but an application went bust with the upgrade.  I tested some of them and saw it was true, some of the Ubuntu package applications do not work at all on Koala - not a minor bug, the whole package is completely broken.</p><p>A lot of the bug reports have applications which use a lot of Gnome/Gtk/Glib libraries, as well as other libraries, and the problem that occurs spans calls from an application to one library to another library to another library, often libraries which are not that well-related, sometimes written in different languages (one C, one C++).  As one needs to know Gnome/Glib etc. to some extent, download all these libraries etc. I can see how debugging can be tough, or a bit of a pain, or whatever.  One was only downloadable off of SVN and it took me half an hour of playing with autoconf, automake and so on to recall that autom4te would just do all of that for me with the package.</p><p>Insofar as Ubuntu, Ubuntu wants to do a code release every six months, and after the experience of Debian, I support this 100\%.  Ubuntu also wants to focus on the desktop, and be one that a non-techie can use, and I think that is good</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I put Koala on two laptops - one an upgrade from Ibex , one a fresh install.In mid-October I was running a Ubuntu-derivative Heron on my desktop and a straight , normal Ubuntu Ibex on my laptop .
I had a package application doing a segmentation fault under certain repeatable conditions with both .
I upgraded my laptop to Jackalope and still saw the bug .
I checked out Ubuntu 's launchpad and saw that most of the new bugs reported were for the Koala beta .
So I upgraded to Koala beta ( thus , being one of the people who tested the beta ) .
The bug was still there , and I had apport report the bug to launchpad .
When the release happened I was doing work over the net , so I did a piecemeal upgrade to the full version , grabbing 100 megs of packages via apt-get , doing other work , grabbing another 100 megs of packages and so on until i had upgraded completely .
Aside from this third-party application bug which still persisted , the upgrade went fine for me.Days later , someone who has a netbook running Windows said that it was broken and asked me to fix it since " I know how computers work " .
They use it solely to surf the web and they only use their web browser .
It was blue screening on ever bootup , even " safe mode " .
I booted with Ubuntu LiveCD on the USB , mounted the hard drive and tried to fix the startup but it persisted .
I did not have the time to deal with solving their Windows problem , and did not know how that Windows OEM recovery crap would work on this netbook .
I told them I could wipe Windows and put Ubuntu on and they could surf the web again .
They agreed .
I did a fresh install.The first problem was , networking was not working .
Their netbook actually had a switch that turned networking on and off .
I made sure it was turned on , stopped and started the wifi and network stuff a few times , rebooted once or twice and then it came on .
As I said , I was in a rush and preferred it to just start working then diving into figuring out the problem .
The second problem is they could not watch Youtube because Flash was not installed .
I did not see flash as package , whether via apt-cache search or in that software universe GUI thing .
Adobe did not have the Koala ( 9.10 ) as a package download so I downloaded a previous version .
It could not find two package libraries .
So then I looked for Gnash or Swfdec , even though those are n't so great .
They were not listed .
So I told the person I would fix it so they could watch Youtube some other day , they could still access e-mail and so on .
So wifi was a slight bump , and Flash still is.I went back to my laptop , which had been upgraded and not fresh installed and it could see Gnash and Swfdec as packages although the fresh install had not been able to.Having looked at all of launchpad for my application problem , I began checking out other applications having problems on Koala .
I saw a few that said all was well in Jackalope but an application went bust with the upgrade .
I tested some of them and saw it was true , some of the Ubuntu package applications do not work at all on Koala - not a minor bug , the whole package is completely broken.A lot of the bug reports have applications which use a lot of Gnome/Gtk/Glib libraries , as well as other libraries , and the problem that occurs spans calls from an application to one library to another library to another library , often libraries which are not that well-related , sometimes written in different languages ( one C , one C + + ) .
As one needs to know Gnome/Glib etc .
to some extent , download all these libraries etc .
I can see how debugging can be tough , or a bit of a pain , or whatever .
One was only downloadable off of SVN and it took me half an hour of playing with autoconf , automake and so on to recall that autom4te would just do all of that for me with the package.Insofar as Ubuntu , Ubuntu wants to do a code release every six months , and after the experience of Debian , I support this 100 \ % .
Ubuntu also wants to focus on the desktop , and be one that a non-techie can use , and I think that is good</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put Koala on two laptops - one an upgrade from Ibex, one a fresh install.In mid-October I was running a Ubuntu-derivative Heron on my desktop and a straight, normal Ubuntu Ibex on my laptop.
I had a package application doing a segmentation fault under certain repeatable conditions with both.
I upgraded my laptop to Jackalope and still saw the bug.
I checked out Ubuntu's launchpad and saw that most of the new bugs reported were for the Koala beta.
So I upgraded to Koala beta (thus, being one of the people who tested the beta).
The bug was still there, and I had apport report the bug to launchpad.
When the release happened I was doing work over the net, so I did a piecemeal upgrade to the full version, grabbing 100 megs of packages via apt-get, doing other work, grabbing another 100 megs of packages and so on until i had upgraded completely.
Aside from this third-party application bug which still persisted, the upgrade went fine for me.Days later, someone who has a netbook running Windows said that it was broken and asked me to fix it since "I know how computers work".
They use it solely to surf the web and they only use their web browser.
It was blue screening on ever bootup, even "safe mode".
I booted with Ubuntu LiveCD on the USB, mounted the hard drive and tried to fix the startup but it persisted.
I did not have the time to deal with solving their Windows problem, and did not know how that Windows OEM recovery crap would work on this netbook.
I told them I could wipe Windows and put Ubuntu on and they could surf the web again.
They agreed.
I did a fresh install.The first problem was, networking was not working.
Their netbook actually had a switch that turned networking on and off.
I made sure it was turned on, stopped and started the wifi and network stuff a few times, rebooted once or twice and then it came on.
As I said, I was in a rush and preferred it to just start working then diving into figuring out the problem.
The second problem is they could not watch Youtube because Flash was not installed.
I did not see flash as package, whether via apt-cache search or in that software universe GUI thing.
Adobe did not have the Koala (9.10) as a package download so I downloaded a previous version.
It could not find two package libraries.
So then I looked for Gnash or Swfdec, even though those aren't so great.
They were not listed.
So I told the person I would fix it so they could watch Youtube some other day, they could still access e-mail and so on.
So wifi was a slight bump, and Flash still is.I went back to my laptop, which had been upgraded and not fresh installed and it could see Gnash and Swfdec as packages although the fresh install had not been able to.Having looked at all of launchpad for my application problem, I began checking out other applications having problems on Koala.
I saw a few that said all was well in Jackalope but an application went bust with the upgrade.
I tested some of them and saw it was true, some of the Ubuntu package applications do not work at all on Koala - not a minor bug, the whole package is completely broken.A lot of the bug reports have applications which use a lot of Gnome/Gtk/Glib libraries, as well as other libraries, and the problem that occurs spans calls from an application to one library to another library to another library, often libraries which are not that well-related, sometimes written in different languages (one C, one C++).
As one needs to know Gnome/Glib etc.
to some extent, download all these libraries etc.
I can see how debugging can be tough, or a bit of a pain, or whatever.
One was only downloadable off of SVN and it took me half an hour of playing with autoconf, automake and so on to recall that autom4te would just do all of that for me with the package.Insofar as Ubuntu, Ubuntu wants to do a code release every six months, and after the experience of Debian, I support this 100\%.
Ubuntu also wants to focus on the desktop, and be one that a non-techie can use, and I think that is good</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29988994</id>
	<title>Re:I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run karmic on a macbook air 1,1, upgraded from jaunty and have had only one major issue with it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/458469<br>Wireless works, only hardware that doesn't is built in isight mic, which was already a problem in jaunty.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/268301<br>All in all a good upgrade, which went very smoothly.</p><p>My AMD media center box did have the issue with the old kernel being the default boot option selected in grub after upgrade.  Not good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run karmic on a macbook air 1,1 , upgraded from jaunty and have had only one major issue with it : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/linux/ + bug/458469Wireless works , only hardware that does n't is built in isight mic , which was already a problem in jaunty .
https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/alsa-driver/ + bug/268301All in all a good upgrade , which went very smoothly.My AMD media center box did have the issue with the old kernel being the default boot option selected in grub after upgrade .
Not good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run karmic on a macbook air 1,1, upgraded from jaunty and have had only one major issue with it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/458469Wireless works, only hardware that doesn't is built in isight mic, which was already a problem in jaunty.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/268301All in all a good upgrade, which went very smoothly.My AMD media center box did have the issue with the old kernel being the default boot option selected in grub after upgrade.
Not good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973190</id>
	<title>Some-Early-Adopters-Stung-By-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some-Early-Adopters-Stung-By-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala</p></div><p>Then maybe instead of using one of the development versions you should try using Ubuntu 9.10 since its the newest stable release. I know its being nitpicky but Im sick of shit of listening to people bitch about Ubuntu's naming scheme. I dont know how many times Ive read or heard someone say "im not using a distro named ". Karmic Koala is Ubuntu's internal name for the distro before it was released as a Ubuntu 9.10. who gives a flying fuck if ubuntu's internal development distribution is named "purple and pink prancing ponies" or "the-most-uber-leet-super-duper-awesomess-gizmatic-linux-distro-evah". its reallly irrevelant.</p><p>ok im stepping away from the soapbox now...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some-Early-Adopters-Stung-By-Ubuntus-Karmic-KoalaThen maybe instead of using one of the development versions you should try using Ubuntu 9.10 since its the newest stable release .
I know its being nitpicky but Im sick of shit of listening to people bitch about Ubuntu 's naming scheme .
I dont know how many times Ive read or heard someone say " im not using a distro named " .
Karmic Koala is Ubuntu 's internal name for the distro before it was released as a Ubuntu 9.10. who gives a flying fuck if ubuntu 's internal development distribution is named " purple and pink prancing ponies " or " the-most-uber-leet-super-duper-awesomess-gizmatic-linux-distro-evah " .
its reallly irrevelant.ok im stepping away from the soapbox now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some-Early-Adopters-Stung-By-Ubuntus-Karmic-KoalaThen maybe instead of using one of the development versions you should try using Ubuntu 9.10 since its the newest stable release.
I know its being nitpicky but Im sick of shit of listening to people bitch about Ubuntu's naming scheme.
I dont know how many times Ive read or heard someone say "im not using a distro named ".
Karmic Koala is Ubuntu's internal name for the distro before it was released as a Ubuntu 9.10. who gives a flying fuck if ubuntu's internal development distribution is named "purple and pink prancing ponies" or "the-most-uber-leet-super-duper-awesomess-gizmatic-linux-distro-evah".
its reallly irrevelant.ok im stepping away from the soapbox now...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976306</id>
	<title>Few grave regressions, but otherwise neat</title>
	<author>amn108</author>
	<datestamp>1256993160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been running 9.10 release since hours before it was released to public (downloaded by BitTorrent).</p><p>It seems really snappy, noticeably snappier than 9.04, especially with X graphics and hence Firefox page rendering and scrolling.</p><p>However, for some strange reason, there are regressions:</p><p>1. The average temperature is 3 degrees higher for most of the hardware sensors including the CPU. Hence the fan ups the speed a pulse-width-modulation notch, which makes for a more audible system, even for a quiet Thinkpad laptop like mine.<br>2. PulseAudio volume control does not remember per-application (technically, per-process-name) volume, resetting it to maximum if you relaunch the process, and even if the SAME process restarts an audio stream. This completely negates the whole idea of per-app volume control. Imagine you listen to a bunch of files with "mplayer *", as you adjust mplayer volume with pavucontrol, the next song mplayer plays is again played at 100\% per-app volume, and so it resets it for each new song, even though the same mplayer process has been playing song after song all along. I don't know how they could have missed THAT, can only hope it is a bug, not a "feature".<br>3. GUI seems better, but a bit unpolished - specifically some icons have the "grey" style, while some others remain "carneval" style. This is not a regression really, grey icons are better than the previous ones, just pity not all icons are grey for the theme.<br>4. The whole GDM is just bollocks. The boot process is faster than 9.04, kernel including (probably just tuned on a feature/need base), however once GDM starts it complements for the time gained with its slow setup. The image is also somewhat out of place, seems like a kid designed it in Photoshop in 5 minutes. Also, I cannot find a way to remove it with GUI (did not yet bother using the command line for that) - the default GDM screen is not really what I would consider for a productive developer. In fact I would instead prefer to login to my X desktop from terminal instead. Can't see how extra 10 seconds of GUI balooney are good for me.<br>5. Can't yet decide on this, but it SEEMS that the ondemand governor is either more aggressive, or the system hides the true CPU usage (which affects the governor). From the settings I can see that it is supposed to max the speed once usage exceeds 95\%, but in reality I can check that it jumps to max speed once the usage reaches 25\%. That does not look correct to me, and I have read the PDF on how it works<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) May be I am missing something...<br>6. Again, Canonical seems to forget laptop users. There are more processes, daemons mostly, that each contributes to more wattage being drawn. In their search for more software abstraction, the real resources are neglected, and so I can see about 25 CPU wakeups per second compared to 2 with 9.04.<br>7. No longer possible to disable polling of removable media (something not good for laptops since it keeps the CPU awake to poll whether media has been inserted). "hal-disable-polling --device=/dev/cdrom" no longer seems to have the effect it did.</p><p>The rest is so far been really pleasant experience. The Disk Utility is nice, it monitors the hard drive health with pretty extensive information presented.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been running 9.10 release since hours before it was released to public ( downloaded by BitTorrent ) .It seems really snappy , noticeably snappier than 9.04 , especially with X graphics and hence Firefox page rendering and scrolling.However , for some strange reason , there are regressions : 1 .
The average temperature is 3 degrees higher for most of the hardware sensors including the CPU .
Hence the fan ups the speed a pulse-width-modulation notch , which makes for a more audible system , even for a quiet Thinkpad laptop like mine.2 .
PulseAudio volume control does not remember per-application ( technically , per-process-name ) volume , resetting it to maximum if you relaunch the process , and even if the SAME process restarts an audio stream .
This completely negates the whole idea of per-app volume control .
Imagine you listen to a bunch of files with " mplayer * " , as you adjust mplayer volume with pavucontrol , the next song mplayer plays is again played at 100 \ % per-app volume , and so it resets it for each new song , even though the same mplayer process has been playing song after song all along .
I do n't know how they could have missed THAT , can only hope it is a bug , not a " feature " .3 .
GUI seems better , but a bit unpolished - specifically some icons have the " grey " style , while some others remain " carneval " style .
This is not a regression really , grey icons are better than the previous ones , just pity not all icons are grey for the theme.4 .
The whole GDM is just bollocks .
The boot process is faster than 9.04 , kernel including ( probably just tuned on a feature/need base ) , however once GDM starts it complements for the time gained with its slow setup .
The image is also somewhat out of place , seems like a kid designed it in Photoshop in 5 minutes .
Also , I can not find a way to remove it with GUI ( did not yet bother using the command line for that ) - the default GDM screen is not really what I would consider for a productive developer .
In fact I would instead prefer to login to my X desktop from terminal instead .
Ca n't see how extra 10 seconds of GUI balooney are good for me.5 .
Ca n't yet decide on this , but it SEEMS that the ondemand governor is either more aggressive , or the system hides the true CPU usage ( which affects the governor ) .
From the settings I can see that it is supposed to max the speed once usage exceeds 95 \ % , but in reality I can check that it jumps to max speed once the usage reaches 25 \ % .
That does not look correct to me , and I have read the PDF on how it works : - ) May be I am missing something...6 .
Again , Canonical seems to forget laptop users .
There are more processes , daemons mostly , that each contributes to more wattage being drawn .
In their search for more software abstraction , the real resources are neglected , and so I can see about 25 CPU wakeups per second compared to 2 with 9.04.7 .
No longer possible to disable polling of removable media ( something not good for laptops since it keeps the CPU awake to poll whether media has been inserted ) .
" hal-disable-polling --device = /dev/cdrom " no longer seems to have the effect it did.The rest is so far been really pleasant experience .
The Disk Utility is nice , it monitors the hard drive health with pretty extensive information presented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been running 9.10 release since hours before it was released to public (downloaded by BitTorrent).It seems really snappy, noticeably snappier than 9.04, especially with X graphics and hence Firefox page rendering and scrolling.However, for some strange reason, there are regressions:1.
The average temperature is 3 degrees higher for most of the hardware sensors including the CPU.
Hence the fan ups the speed a pulse-width-modulation notch, which makes for a more audible system, even for a quiet Thinkpad laptop like mine.2.
PulseAudio volume control does not remember per-application (technically, per-process-name) volume, resetting it to maximum if you relaunch the process, and even if the SAME process restarts an audio stream.
This completely negates the whole idea of per-app volume control.
Imagine you listen to a bunch of files with "mplayer *", as you adjust mplayer volume with pavucontrol, the next song mplayer plays is again played at 100\% per-app volume, and so it resets it for each new song, even though the same mplayer process has been playing song after song all along.
I don't know how they could have missed THAT, can only hope it is a bug, not a "feature".3.
GUI seems better, but a bit unpolished - specifically some icons have the "grey" style, while some others remain "carneval" style.
This is not a regression really, grey icons are better than the previous ones, just pity not all icons are grey for the theme.4.
The whole GDM is just bollocks.
The boot process is faster than 9.04, kernel including (probably just tuned on a feature/need base), however once GDM starts it complements for the time gained with its slow setup.
The image is also somewhat out of place, seems like a kid designed it in Photoshop in 5 minutes.
Also, I cannot find a way to remove it with GUI (did not yet bother using the command line for that) - the default GDM screen is not really what I would consider for a productive developer.
In fact I would instead prefer to login to my X desktop from terminal instead.
Can't see how extra 10 seconds of GUI balooney are good for me.5.
Can't yet decide on this, but it SEEMS that the ondemand governor is either more aggressive, or the system hides the true CPU usage (which affects the governor).
From the settings I can see that it is supposed to max the speed once usage exceeds 95\%, but in reality I can check that it jumps to max speed once the usage reaches 25\%.
That does not look correct to me, and I have read the PDF on how it works :-) May be I am missing something...6.
Again, Canonical seems to forget laptop users.
There are more processes, daemons mostly, that each contributes to more wattage being drawn.
In their search for more software abstraction, the real resources are neglected, and so I can see about 25 CPU wakeups per second compared to 2 with 9.04.7.
No longer possible to disable polling of removable media (something not good for laptops since it keeps the CPU awake to poll whether media has been inserted).
"hal-disable-polling --device=/dev/cdrom" no longer seems to have the effect it did.The rest is so far been really pleasant experience.
The Disk Utility is nice, it monitors the hard drive health with pretty extensive information presented.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29971328</id>
	<title>Worked fine for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257253980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything worked fine for me when I did an upgrade.</p><p>That is until I went to install BFS, but I expected that to cause trouble. It seems BFS does not like the nvidia binary driver...</p><p>So I did a fresh install (it needed it too, because that box was originally intrepid) and everything was as smooth as silk.</p><p>And it boots really fast! Well done Canonical!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything worked fine for me when I did an upgrade.That is until I went to install BFS , but I expected that to cause trouble .
It seems BFS does not like the nvidia binary driver...So I did a fresh install ( it needed it too , because that box was originally intrepid ) and everything was as smooth as silk.And it boots really fast !
Well done Canonical !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything worked fine for me when I did an upgrade.That is until I went to install BFS, but I expected that to cause trouble.
It seems BFS does not like the nvidia binary driver...So I did a fresh install (it needed it too, because that box was originally intrepid) and everything was as smooth as silk.And it boots really fast!
Well done Canonical!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972540</id>
	<title>My Experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257261480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went from 8.10 to 9.10 on my laptop (Acer travelmate 2Ghz sempron 1Gb ram) and desktop (2.5Ghz dual core 2Gb ram) and both the update process and results were flawless. I have to say that the improvement I am seeing is massive, my two main uses Java and Flash are far more stable and quicker. The one problem i had was that scim pinyin on the laptop (i live in China) was broken. However this was a pretty dodgy install by me in the first place and a switch to iBus as recommended on the net has fixed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went from 8.10 to 9.10 on my laptop ( Acer travelmate 2Ghz sempron 1Gb ram ) and desktop ( 2.5Ghz dual core 2Gb ram ) and both the update process and results were flawless .
I have to say that the improvement I am seeing is massive , my two main uses Java and Flash are far more stable and quicker .
The one problem i had was that scim pinyin on the laptop ( i live in China ) was broken .
However this was a pretty dodgy install by me in the first place and a switch to iBus as recommended on the net has fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went from 8.10 to 9.10 on my laptop (Acer travelmate 2Ghz sempron 1Gb ram) and desktop (2.5Ghz dual core 2Gb ram) and both the update process and results were flawless.
I have to say that the improvement I am seeing is massive, my two main uses Java and Flash are far more stable and quicker.
The one problem i had was that scim pinyin on the laptop (i live in China) was broken.
However this was a pretty dodgy install by me in the first place and a switch to iBus as recommended on the net has fixed it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972228</id>
	<title>Re:Fairly painless upgrade...</title>
	<author>gravos</author>
	<datestamp>1257259200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get a full-up kernel panic when trying to resume from suspend and have some troubles with VirtualBox too, but everything else is working ok.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get a full-up kernel panic when trying to resume from suspend and have some troubles with VirtualBox too , but everything else is working ok .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get a full-up kernel panic when trying to resume from suspend and have some troubles with VirtualBox too, but everything else is working ok.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29976718</id>
	<title>Worth the gamble</title>
	<author>yk4ever</author>
	<datestamp>1256997120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>9.10 made my Intel 855GM graphics card to finally run at full speed. No more jerky games and videos. Hooray! This alone was a worthy reason for an upgrade.</p><p>What's broken for me:<br>- xv is broken for my card (mentioned in release notes), so video playback is ugly and I had to switch KMS off<br>- after switching KMS off, my mouse cursor is invisible. I have to do Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F7 after every boot<br>- russian keyboard layout was lost, had to re-configure it<br>- touchpad settings were lost<br>- 9.10 actually boots slower than 9.04 for me, and booting splashscreen sometimes falls back to console</p><p>All in all, these problems are manageable and release is pretty neat. But for my next PC I'm gonna try OpenSuSE 11.2, it looks promising and I've heard some good reviews of KDE 4.3</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>9.10 made my Intel 855GM graphics card to finally run at full speed .
No more jerky games and videos .
Hooray ! This alone was a worthy reason for an upgrade.What 's broken for me : - xv is broken for my card ( mentioned in release notes ) , so video playback is ugly and I had to switch KMS off- after switching KMS off , my mouse cursor is invisible .
I have to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 , Ctrl-Alt-F7 after every boot- russian keyboard layout was lost , had to re-configure it- touchpad settings were lost- 9.10 actually boots slower than 9.04 for me , and booting splashscreen sometimes falls back to consoleAll in all , these problems are manageable and release is pretty neat .
But for my next PC I 'm gon na try OpenSuSE 11.2 , it looks promising and I 've heard some good reviews of KDE 4.3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>9.10 made my Intel 855GM graphics card to finally run at full speed.
No more jerky games and videos.
Hooray! This alone was a worthy reason for an upgrade.What's broken for me:- xv is broken for my card (mentioned in release notes), so video playback is ugly and I had to switch KMS off- after switching KMS off, my mouse cursor is invisible.
I have to do Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F7 after every boot- russian keyboard layout was lost, had to re-configure it- touchpad settings were lost- 9.10 actually boots slower than 9.04 for me, and booting splashscreen sometimes falls back to consoleAll in all, these problems are manageable and release is pretty neat.
But for my next PC I'm gonna try OpenSuSE 11.2, it looks promising and I've heard some good reviews of KDE 4.3</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29973034</id>
	<title>Stay away from 9.10 till re-release</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257265680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the usb-creator.exe is faulty.</p><p>dell mini 9,  networking does not work without dinking about with finding packages and installing them with dpkg</p><p>dell mini 9, power management doesn't work -- doesn't suspend / resume / hibernate...</p><p>kubuntu netbook remix isn't there either.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I'd have to power down the computer.</p><p>Kubuntu on tecra m4<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,-- the screen always locks, even though I changed the setting to not.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..  tablet screen works though!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the usb-creator.exe is faulty.dell mini 9 , networking does not work without dinking about with finding packages and installing them with dpkgdell mini 9 , power management does n't work -- does n't suspend / resume / hibernate...kubuntu netbook remix is n't there either .
    I 'd have to power down the computer.Kubuntu on tecra m4 ,-- the screen always locks , even though I changed the setting to not .
.. tablet screen works though !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the usb-creator.exe is faulty.dell mini 9,  networking does not work without dinking about with finding packages and installing them with dpkgdell mini 9, power management doesn't work -- doesn't suspend / resume / hibernate...kubuntu netbook remix isn't there either.
    I'd have to power down the computer.Kubuntu on tecra m4 ,-- the screen always locks, even though I changed the setting to not.
..  tablet screen works though!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29991912</id>
	<title>Critical error</title>
	<author>bokac</author>
	<datestamp>1257452820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When i upgraded to Karmic it give me a "Critical Kernel Error" and it won't connect to the internet</htmltext>
<tokenext>When i upgraded to Karmic it give me a " Critical Kernel Error " and it wo n't connect to the internet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When i upgraded to Karmic it give me a "Critical Kernel Error" and it won't connect to the internet</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970936</id>
	<title>Software RAID Beware</title>
	<author>digitalderbs</author>
	<datestamp>1257252360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded from 9.04, and I have a software RAID10 setup. A bug in dmraid (admittedly, not directly Ubuntu's fault) causes it to recognize mdadm software RAID partitions, and choke when it can't assemble them. The fix for me requires the removal of dmraid, and the manual assembly/mounting of my software raid from the the initial RAM disk (Busybox).<br> <br>

I almost bought a Mac mini last weekend--after 12 years of being 100\% linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded from 9.04 , and I have a software RAID10 setup .
A bug in dmraid ( admittedly , not directly Ubuntu 's fault ) causes it to recognize mdadm software RAID partitions , and choke when it ca n't assemble them .
The fix for me requires the removal of dmraid , and the manual assembly/mounting of my software raid from the the initial RAM disk ( Busybox ) .
I almost bought a Mac mini last weekend--after 12 years of being 100 \ % linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded from 9.04, and I have a software RAID10 setup.
A bug in dmraid (admittedly, not directly Ubuntu's fault) causes it to recognize mdadm software RAID partitions, and choke when it can't assemble them.
The fix for me requires the removal of dmraid, and the manual assembly/mounting of my software raid from the the initial RAM disk (Busybox).
I almost bought a Mac mini last weekend--after 12 years of being 100\% linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972884</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257264300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What full disk encryption? I thought Ubuntu 9.10 only offered an encrypted folder. If you're doing full disk encryption in the BIOS then Ubuntu has nothing to do with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What full disk encryption ?
I thought Ubuntu 9.10 only offered an encrypted folder .
If you 're doing full disk encryption in the BIOS then Ubuntu has nothing to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What full disk encryption?
I thought Ubuntu 9.10 only offered an encrypted folder.
If you're doing full disk encryption in the BIOS then Ubuntu has nothing to do with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970832</id>
	<title>So far</title>
	<author>tjones</author>
	<datestamp>1257251880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So far I've found that flash doesn't seem to work anymore, despite being the latest version.  Also, I still have the old "Roll 'em up" pinball game, played fine under Ubuntu 9.04, gets choppy at times under 9.10.</p><p>I was almost convinced that there was a DNS problem, but it just so happens that my ISP decided to start sucking again right after the upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So far I 've found that flash does n't seem to work anymore , despite being the latest version .
Also , I still have the old " Roll 'em up " pinball game , played fine under Ubuntu 9.04 , gets choppy at times under 9.10.I was almost convinced that there was a DNS problem , but it just so happens that my ISP decided to start sucking again right after the upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So far I've found that flash doesn't seem to work anymore, despite being the latest version.
Also, I still have the old "Roll 'em up" pinball game, played fine under Ubuntu 9.04, gets choppy at times under 9.10.I was almost convinced that there was a DNS problem, but it just so happens that my ISP decided to start sucking again right after the upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29978292</id>
	<title>Mouse pointer disapears on dual-monitor setup</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After upgrading both my computers, on one of them my mouse pointer periodically disappears.<br>On one monitor it appears as a 1"x1" white box, on the 2nd monitor it disappears completely. The work arround to fix this problem is to move the pointer back and forth between screens until it appears again.</p><p>This happens about every 5-10 minutes. Strangely it is only on teh one PC so not likely easily duplicated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After upgrading both my computers , on one of them my mouse pointer periodically disappears.On one monitor it appears as a 1 " x1 " white box , on the 2nd monitor it disappears completely .
The work arround to fix this problem is to move the pointer back and forth between screens until it appears again.This happens about every 5-10 minutes .
Strangely it is only on teh one PC so not likely easily duplicated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After upgrading both my computers, on one of them my mouse pointer periodically disappears.On one monitor it appears as a 1"x1" white box, on the 2nd monitor it disappears completely.
The work arround to fix this problem is to move the pointer back and forth between screens until it appears again.This happens about every 5-10 minutes.
Strangely it is only on teh one PC so not likely easily duplicated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972976</id>
	<title>Re:indeed</title>
	<author>adam.ec</author>
	<datestamp>1257265020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95</p></div><p>You obviously never got suckered into Windows ME then.

In all seriousness I had lots of bugs with 8.10 and 9.04. My clean install of 9.10 has gone remarkably well. Initially I was a bit dubious as to whether it had worked properly because the install was like lightning. Three days use now and the only bug I've had is I cannot seem to get Synaptic to show me all the available packages, just the ones that are installed.

I don't seem to have suffered with Windows 7 either. The desktop looks crap but the whole thing works.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95You obviously never got suckered into Windows ME then .
In all seriousness I had lots of bugs with 8.10 and 9.04 .
My clean install of 9.10 has gone remarkably well .
Initially I was a bit dubious as to whether it had worked properly because the install was like lightning .
Three days use now and the only bug I 've had is I can not seem to get Synaptic to show me all the available packages , just the ones that are installed .
I do n't seem to have suffered with Windows 7 either .
The desktop looks crap but the whole thing works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95You obviously never got suckered into Windows ME then.
In all seriousness I had lots of bugs with 8.10 and 9.04.
My clean install of 9.10 has gone remarkably well.
Initially I was a bit dubious as to whether it had worked properly because the install was like lightning.
Three days use now and the only bug I've had is I cannot seem to get Synaptic to show me all the available packages, just the ones that are installed.
I don't seem to have suffered with Windows 7 either.
The desktop looks crap but the whole thing works.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29969564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970702</id>
	<title>Re:WiFi authentication? Who needs that?</title>
	<author>Ash-Fox</author>
	<datestamp>1257251520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication working</p></div></blockquote><p>Works for me. I could not reproduce your issue based off your limited information.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication workingWorks for me .
I could not reproduce your issue based off your limited information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without WPA/WPA2 authentication workingWorks for me.
I could not reproduce your issue based off your limited information.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29970408</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980174</id>
	<title>Re:I run it on a Macbook</title>
	<author>Filgy</author>
	<datestamp>1257010920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can also confirm that I have experienced the mouse jumping around erratically sometimes with Karmic. I also feel the boot time was slower until I disabled usplash, although I never actually timed it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can also confirm that I have experienced the mouse jumping around erratically sometimes with Karmic .
I also feel the boot time was slower until I disabled usplash , although I never actually timed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can also confirm that I have experienced the mouse jumping around erratically sometimes with Karmic.
I also feel the boot time was slower until I disabled usplash, although I never actually timed it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29980044</id>
	<title>release upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade</title>
	<author>Filgy</author>
	<datestamp>1257010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure how you initially tried to upgrade because you didn't say... but an ubuntu upgrade from one release to another one should NEVER, EVER be done by simply changing/updating your repos and doing apt-get dist-upgrade. Alot of old debian users think that you can do this and it leads to their system getting hosed more often than not. <br> <br>
The proper and supported method is to do:<br> <br>
sudo apt-get install update-manager-core &amp;&amp; sudo do-release-upgrade<br> <br>
So while you did not specify how you tried the initial upgrade attempt, if it happened to be via apt-get dist-upgrade it was in no way ubuntu's fault that your system got hosed.<br> <br>
I really wonder how many of these people (again, maybe or maybe not you) with all these upgrade horror stories have tried to upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade instead of the proper, documented, and supported method.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure how you initially tried to upgrade because you did n't say... but an ubuntu upgrade from one release to another one should NEVER , EVER be done by simply changing/updating your repos and doing apt-get dist-upgrade .
Alot of old debian users think that you can do this and it leads to their system getting hosed more often than not .
The proper and supported method is to do : sudo apt-get install update-manager-core &amp;&amp; sudo do-release-upgrade So while you did not specify how you tried the initial upgrade attempt , if it happened to be via apt-get dist-upgrade it was in no way ubuntu 's fault that your system got hosed .
I really wonder how many of these people ( again , maybe or maybe not you ) with all these upgrade horror stories have tried to upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade instead of the proper , documented , and supported method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure how you initially tried to upgrade because you didn't say... but an ubuntu upgrade from one release to another one should NEVER, EVER be done by simply changing/updating your repos and doing apt-get dist-upgrade.
Alot of old debian users think that you can do this and it leads to their system getting hosed more often than not.
The proper and supported method is to do: 
sudo apt-get install update-manager-core &amp;&amp; sudo do-release-upgrade 
So while you did not specify how you tried the initial upgrade attempt, if it happened to be via apt-get dist-upgrade it was in no way ubuntu's fault that your system got hosed.
I really wonder how many of these people (again, maybe or maybe not you) with all these upgrade horror stories have tried to upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade instead of the proper, documented, and supported method.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29972092</id>
	<title>Redundant. What is the lesson here?</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1257258360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> early adopters are having a tough time with ********</p></div><p>Where ******* is any application or hardware. Don't be an early adopter</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>early adopters are having a tough time with * * * * * * * * Where * * * * * * * is any application or hardware .
Do n't be an early adopter</tokentext>
<sentencetext> early adopters are having a tough time with ********Where ******* is any application or hardware.
Don't be an early adopter
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975624</id>
	<title>not good for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PPPoE in network-manager (the only non-text mode way of configuring PPPoE) is not working even to this day in 9.10 (you must install software from a PPA):<br>https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432205</p><p>The bug was reported one month before the release but acted upon only after the release and to this day the fix is not in the official upgrade repositories (note that even that would not be enough because you can't upgrade without internet connection...).</p><p>Black desktop when desktop effects are on on some ATI radeon hardware:<br>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/444139</p><p>AND desktop effects are on by default on such hardware...<br>This is an upstream mesa bug but Canonical should have at least turned off desktop effets by default for this hardware since it was known not to work. Instead people will get black desktops.</p><p>Both issues not fixed to this day, not mentioned in release notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PPPoE in network-manager ( the only non-text mode way of configuring PPPoE ) is not working even to this day in 9.10 ( you must install software from a PPA ) : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432205The bug was reported one month before the release but acted upon only after the release and to this day the fix is not in the official upgrade repositories ( note that even that would not be enough because you ca n't upgrade without internet connection... ) .Black desktop when desktop effects are on on some ATI radeon hardware : https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/compiz/ + bug/444139AND desktop effects are on by default on such hardware...This is an upstream mesa bug but Canonical should have at least turned off desktop effets by default for this hardware since it was known not to work .
Instead people will get black desktops.Both issues not fixed to this day , not mentioned in release notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PPPoE in network-manager (the only non-text mode way of configuring PPPoE) is not working even to this day in 9.10 (you must install software from a PPA):https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432205The bug was reported one month before the release but acted upon only after the release and to this day the fix is not in the official upgrade repositories (note that even that would not be enough because you can't upgrade without internet connection...).Black desktop when desktop effects are on on some ATI radeon hardware:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/444139AND desktop effects are on by default on such hardware...This is an upstream mesa bug but Canonical should have at least turned off desktop effets by default for this hardware since it was known not to work.
Instead people will get black desktops.Both issues not fixed to this day, not mentioned in release notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_2211231.29975420</id>
	<title>Re:Upgraded 3 computers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same to me, 2 machines -&gt; one new install, one full upgrade..no problems. power management is much better (longer time on batteries)..i like this version<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p>xaos</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same to me , 2 machines - &gt; one new install , one full upgrade..no problems .
power management is much better ( longer time on batteries ) ..i like this version : Dxaos</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same to me, 2 machines -&gt; one new install, one full upgrade..no problems.
power management is much better (longer time on batteries)..i like this version :Dxaos</sentencetext>
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