<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_03_1530258</id>
	<title>Dell Rugged Laptops Not Quite Tough Enough</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257262800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Trusted Reviews has <a href="http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2009/11/03/Dell-Latitude-E6400-XFR---14-1in-Rugged-Laptop/p1">put the new Dell XFR rugged laptop through the grinder</a> and it hasn't fared as well as expected. Considering that these guys drove a car over a Panasonic Toughbook, they went pretty easy on the Dell, but it still couldn't take the punishment. It looks like Dell still has a way to go to steal the ball from Panasonic when it comes to all terrain computing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Trusted Reviews has put the new Dell XFR rugged laptop through the grinder and it has n't fared as well as expected .
Considering that these guys drove a car over a Panasonic Toughbook , they went pretty easy on the Dell , but it still could n't take the punishment .
It looks like Dell still has a way to go to steal the ball from Panasonic when it comes to all terrain computing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Trusted Reviews has put the new Dell XFR rugged laptop through the grinder and it hasn't fared as well as expected.
Considering that these guys drove a car over a Panasonic Toughbook, they went pretty easy on the Dell, but it still couldn't take the punishment.
It looks like Dell still has a way to go to steal the ball from Panasonic when it comes to all terrain computing.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966094</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He also said "-40", which is unique in that it's the same temperature in both Fahrenheit and Centigrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He also said " -40 " , which is unique in that it 's the same temperature in both Fahrenheit and Centigrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He also said "-40", which is unique in that it's the same temperature in both Fahrenheit and Centigrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29969308</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1257246960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The post I was responding to didn't mention Celsius <em>or</em> Fahrenheit, if you want to be pedantic about it. For all we know, he could have been referring to Kelvin, Rankine, Newton, Delisle...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The post I was responding to did n't mention Celsius or Fahrenheit , if you want to be pedantic about it .
For all we know , he could have been referring to Kelvin , Rankine , Newton , Delisle.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The post I was responding to didn't mention Celsius or Fahrenheit, if you want to be pedantic about it.
For all we know, he could have been referring to Kelvin, Rankine, Newton, Delisle...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965188</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>aicrules</author>
	<datestamp>1257271440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>my aging cat<b>, may he rest in peace,</b> urinated on the keyboard</p></div><p>That is how that line should have read.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>my aging cat , may he rest in peace , urinated on the keyboardThat is how that line should have read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my aging cat, may he rest in peace, urinated on the keyboardThat is how that line should have read.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964036</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965422</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1257272400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Dell with additional warranty is better covered than a Panasonic without additional warranty. Was I supposed to be surprised?</p><p>"Protection Plus" is the comparable additional Panasonic warranty that you should have bought in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Dell with additional warranty is better covered than a Panasonic without additional warranty .
Was I supposed to be surprised ?
" Protection Plus " is the comparable additional Panasonic warranty that you should have bought in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Dell with additional warranty is better covered than a Panasonic without additional warranty.
Was I supposed to be surprised?
"Protection Plus" is the comparable additional Panasonic warranty that you should have bought in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964390</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966630</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1257278160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Construction site.  It didn't stay in the truck because we needed it to check instrumentation in the field.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Construction site .
It did n't stay in the truck because we needed it to check instrumentation in the field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Construction site.
It didn't stay in the truck because we needed it to check instrumentation in the field.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965884</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257274560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that it would matter anyway. -40C == -40F</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that it would matter anyway .
-40C = = -40F</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that it would matter anyway.
-40C == -40F</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965220</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964378</id>
	<title>Re:Did the submitter even RTFA?</title>
	<author>Shag</author>
	<datestamp>1257268020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did *you* RTFA?  They stated quite clearly that the Dell had issues with water ingress, including water getting into a battery compartment that isn't isolated from the mainboard.</p><p>Yes, it worked again after they let it dry out for a day... but that's <i>bad</i>.</p><p>I volunteer somewhere that bought one of these Dells, and honestly I have no idea why they needed a ruggedized laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did * you * RTFA ?
They stated quite clearly that the Dell had issues with water ingress , including water getting into a battery compartment that is n't isolated from the mainboard.Yes , it worked again after they let it dry out for a day... but that 's bad.I volunteer somewhere that bought one of these Dells , and honestly I have no idea why they needed a ruggedized laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did *you* RTFA?
They stated quite clearly that the Dell had issues with water ingress, including water getting into a battery compartment that isn't isolated from the mainboard.Yes, it worked again after they let it dry out for a day... but that's bad.I volunteer somewhere that bought one of these Dells, and honestly I have no idea why they needed a ruggedized laptop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964882</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>koxkoxkox</author>
	<datestamp>1257270060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you have a right to use an idiosyncratic unit of temperature, but please at least specify it, ok ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you have a right to use an idiosyncratic unit of temperature , but please at least specify it , ok ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you have a right to use an idiosyncratic unit of temperature, but please at least specify it, ok ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964286</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964028</id>
	<title>I see...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> So the Dell blends after all! </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the Dell blends after all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> So the Dell blends after all! </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966748</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1257278940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Protecting against damage isn't the usual reason for buying a Toughbook, it's availability.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks , I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day !
Protecting against damage is n't the usual reason for buying a Toughbook , it 's availability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!
Protecting against damage isn't the usual reason for buying a Toughbook, it's availability.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964390</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964390</id>
	<title>Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>juanhf</author>
	<datestamp>1257268080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We used to believe that the ToughBooks were the end all be all of ruggedized computers; that is until the day someone actually managed to break one!</p><p>If you read the warranty statement from Panasonic you will see the following under <a href="https://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TCCStandardWarranty?includePage=standard&amp;langId=-1&amp;storeId=15001" title="panasonic.com" rel="nofollow">Section 3 - Limited Warranty Exclusions</a> [panasonic.com]</p><p>"Failures which result from alteration, accident, misuse, introduction of liquid or other foreign matter into the unit, abuse, neglect, installation, maladjustment of consumer controls, improper maintenance or modification, use not in accordance with product use instructions"</p><p>That means that if your coffee somehow spills on the laptop and fries the motherboard Panasonic will not repair it under warranty!</p><p>On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked.</p><p>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!</p><p>Besides, regardless of what notebook you own, if you roll over it with your vehicle (by accident) and it happens to break, would you not rather be covered?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We used to believe that the ToughBooks were the end all be all of ruggedized computers ; that is until the day someone actually managed to break one ! If you read the warranty statement from Panasonic you will see the following under Section 3 - Limited Warranty Exclusions [ panasonic.com ] " Failures which result from alteration , accident , misuse , introduction of liquid or other foreign matter into the unit , abuse , neglect , installation , maladjustment of consumer controls , improper maintenance or modification , use not in accordance with product use instructions " That means that if your coffee somehow spills on the laptop and fries the motherboard Panasonic will not repair it under warranty ! On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked.Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks , I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day ! Besides , regardless of what notebook you own , if you roll over it with your vehicle ( by accident ) and it happens to break , would you not rather be covered ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We used to believe that the ToughBooks were the end all be all of ruggedized computers; that is until the day someone actually managed to break one!If you read the warranty statement from Panasonic you will see the following under Section 3 - Limited Warranty Exclusions [panasonic.com]"Failures which result from alteration, accident, misuse, introduction of liquid or other foreign matter into the unit, abuse, neglect, installation, maladjustment of consumer controls, improper maintenance or modification, use not in accordance with product use instructions"That means that if your coffee somehow spills on the laptop and fries the motherboard Panasonic will not repair it under warranty!On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked.Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!Besides, regardless of what notebook you own, if you roll over it with your vehicle (by accident) and it happens to break, would you not rather be covered?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966088</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>also, -40 is the same in both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>also , -40 is the same in both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>also, -40 is the same in both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964882</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964518</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>3TimeLoser</author>
	<datestamp>1257268680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Besides the hardening, they have bright displays that are viewable in bright sunlight and backlit keyboards.  Both are very useful features for those not working an indoor 8 to 5 shift.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides the hardening , they have bright displays that are viewable in bright sunlight and backlit keyboards .
Both are very useful features for those not working an indoor 8 to 5 shift .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides the hardening, they have bright displays that are viewable in bright sunlight and backlit keyboards.
Both are very useful features for those not working an indoor 8 to 5 shift.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965640</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257273420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-40F == -40C. The unit doesn't matter in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-40F = = -40C .
The unit does n't matter in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-40F == -40C.
The unit doesn't matter in this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964842</id>
	<title>at least the dell has better video then intel GMA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257269940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at least the dell has better video then intel GMA why can most systems like this have that? there are people who do cad work who may need a system like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at least the dell has better video then intel GMA why can most systems like this have that ?
there are people who do cad work who may need a system like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at least the dell has better video then intel GMA why can most systems like this have that?
there are people who do cad work who may need a system like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964792</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1257269760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I wouldn't know what they are. On the other hand, I suspect that the reason that the battery died on my Asus laptop was walking home in -30C weather with the laptop in my backpack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I would n't know what they are .
On the other hand , I suspect that the reason that the battery died on my Asus laptop was walking home in -30C weather with the laptop in my backpack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I wouldn't know what they are.
On the other hand, I suspect that the reason that the battery died on my Asus laptop was walking home in -30C weather with the laptop in my backpack.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964286</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.30027670</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>sys\_mast</author>
	<datestamp>1257691980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason you always see them in cars is that the two under discussion (Panasonic/dell) are the only two that have automotive docks. And by automotive dock, I'm saying a docking station that is integrated into a pedestal that is designed to be bolted to a vehicle floor.</p><p>Does this mean you couldn't use any standard dock with it's matching standard laptop, well no. But that would be home brew, and I'm guessing would not work for very long under the vibrations produced from a running and moving vehicle.</p><p>But I generally agree with the article, (am i allowed to do that here?) the Dell rugged books don't seem any more durable than the old "D" series, which just a few years ago was the standard business laptop. The "D" series in my, meaningless, opinion was a good durable laptop, not a rugged, but good. The new "E" series seem cheaper than the home grade laptops of a few years ago. One demo E series finger pressure on the hing side would release the latches on the other side!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason you always see them in cars is that the two under discussion ( Panasonic/dell ) are the only two that have automotive docks .
And by automotive dock , I 'm saying a docking station that is integrated into a pedestal that is designed to be bolted to a vehicle floor.Does this mean you could n't use any standard dock with it 's matching standard laptop , well no .
But that would be home brew , and I 'm guessing would not work for very long under the vibrations produced from a running and moving vehicle.But I generally agree with the article , ( am i allowed to do that here ?
) the Dell rugged books do n't seem any more durable than the old " D " series , which just a few years ago was the standard business laptop .
The " D " series in my , meaningless , opinion was a good durable laptop , not a rugged , but good .
The new " E " series seem cheaper than the home grade laptops of a few years ago .
One demo E series finger pressure on the hing side would release the latches on the other side ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason you always see them in cars is that the two under discussion (Panasonic/dell) are the only two that have automotive docks.
And by automotive dock, I'm saying a docking station that is integrated into a pedestal that is designed to be bolted to a vehicle floor.Does this mean you couldn't use any standard dock with it's matching standard laptop, well no.
But that would be home brew, and I'm guessing would not work for very long under the vibrations produced from a running and moving vehicle.But I generally agree with the article, (am i allowed to do that here?
) the Dell rugged books don't seem any more durable than the old "D" series, which just a few years ago was the standard business laptop.
The "D" series in my, meaningless, opinion was a good durable laptop, not a rugged, but good.
The new "E" series seem cheaper than the home grade laptops of a few years ago.
One demo E series finger pressure on the hing side would release the latches on the other side!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964036</id>
	<title>Interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257266640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But as for ruggedness testing, do you think that they were going a little overboard? I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now, have dropped it multiple times at the airport, the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut, and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard. Thing is that it still works. I am impressed with Dell's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse. I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude. End of story for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But as for ruggedness testing , do you think that they were going a little overboard ?
I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now , have dropped it multiple times at the airport , the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut , and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard .
Thing is that it still works .
I am impressed with Dell 's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse .
I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude .
End of story for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But as for ruggedness testing, do you think that they were going a little overboard?
I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now, have dropped it multiple times at the airport, the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut, and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.
Thing is that it still works.
I am impressed with Dell's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse.
I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude.
End of story for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965284</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257271860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work in the IT department of small town Sheriffs Office, this county was so small that we had no official fire dept and just used a volunteer force, I assisted in servicing the computers for Animal Control, Deputies, Vol. Fire Dept, EMS and Emergency Management.  They all used tough books and with good reason, it may seem odd with the laptops "mounted" in the vehicles but you have to remember that any of these emergency service outfits could be speeding down bumpy roads making various pursuit maneuvers are subject to shocks and bumps of all sorts.</p><p>This doesn't even touch on the fact that most of the toughbooks can be removed from the vehicle for various reasons and end up being dropped, kicked and in one case I cam remember flying off the top of a squad car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work in the IT department of small town Sheriffs Office , this county was so small that we had no official fire dept and just used a volunteer force , I assisted in servicing the computers for Animal Control , Deputies , Vol .
Fire Dept , EMS and Emergency Management .
They all used tough books and with good reason , it may seem odd with the laptops " mounted " in the vehicles but you have to remember that any of these emergency service outfits could be speeding down bumpy roads making various pursuit maneuvers are subject to shocks and bumps of all sorts.This does n't even touch on the fact that most of the toughbooks can be removed from the vehicle for various reasons and end up being dropped , kicked and in one case I cam remember flying off the top of a squad car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work in the IT department of small town Sheriffs Office, this county was so small that we had no official fire dept and just used a volunteer force, I assisted in servicing the computers for Animal Control, Deputies, Vol.
Fire Dept, EMS and Emergency Management.
They all used tough books and with good reason, it may seem odd with the laptops "mounted" in the vehicles but you have to remember that any of these emergency service outfits could be speeding down bumpy roads making various pursuit maneuvers are subject to shocks and bumps of all sorts.This doesn't even touch on the fact that most of the toughbooks can be removed from the vehicle for various reasons and end up being dropped, kicked and in one case I cam remember flying off the top of a squad car.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965084</id>
	<title>Toughbooks live up to the name.</title>
	<author>UncHellMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1257271080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work for a small police department, and did considerable research before choosing the Toughbook. They're certainly not made for speed, and they're heavy and ugly. But they're not made for that, they're made to take the abuse that is almost inevitable in the hands of people who are, shall we say, not exactly delicate flowers.<br> <br>

Before actually mounting these computers in our cruisers, I dropped the Toughbook while holding it above my head (I'm about 5'10"), I punched the back of the screen (only succeeded in giving myself a bloody knuckle), poured hot coffee on the keys, and generally did things you would REALLY not want to do to your laptop. They took it with just little scratches here and there, but no issue other than cosmetic.<br> <br>

One thing I did find is was that, of course, the screen is tough but it's still a laptop screen. The clamps used to mount the laptops on a swing arm in the cars goes slightly over the sides of the Toughbook. If the screen is slammed hard, that can actually cause a crack. Fortunately I'd paid the extra dosh for a better warranty covering such things, and was able to remind the officers that they need to be aware of that issue.<br> <br>

Dells offerings are really GOOD laptops, and not bad if you need rugged, but not insanely durable. I finally settled on the Toughbook not just because of the abuse I put them through, or just from asking other local PDs what they used. One of my users, a recent hire only a year or so out of the Army Rangers, told me that the Toughbook are what they jumped out of aircraft with. The abuse a grizzled old geek like myself can throw at a computer is pretty much NOTHING like what an Army Ranger could do.<br> <br>

So far, the TBs have been worth every penny we spent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a small police department , and did considerable research before choosing the Toughbook .
They 're certainly not made for speed , and they 're heavy and ugly .
But they 're not made for that , they 're made to take the abuse that is almost inevitable in the hands of people who are , shall we say , not exactly delicate flowers .
Before actually mounting these computers in our cruisers , I dropped the Toughbook while holding it above my head ( I 'm about 5'10 " ) , I punched the back of the screen ( only succeeded in giving myself a bloody knuckle ) , poured hot coffee on the keys , and generally did things you would REALLY not want to do to your laptop .
They took it with just little scratches here and there , but no issue other than cosmetic .
One thing I did find is was that , of course , the screen is tough but it 's still a laptop screen .
The clamps used to mount the laptops on a swing arm in the cars goes slightly over the sides of the Toughbook .
If the screen is slammed hard , that can actually cause a crack .
Fortunately I 'd paid the extra dosh for a better warranty covering such things , and was able to remind the officers that they need to be aware of that issue .
Dells offerings are really GOOD laptops , and not bad if you need rugged , but not insanely durable .
I finally settled on the Toughbook not just because of the abuse I put them through , or just from asking other local PDs what they used .
One of my users , a recent hire only a year or so out of the Army Rangers , told me that the Toughbook are what they jumped out of aircraft with .
The abuse a grizzled old geek like myself can throw at a computer is pretty much NOTHING like what an Army Ranger could do .
So far , the TBs have been worth every penny we spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a small police department, and did considerable research before choosing the Toughbook.
They're certainly not made for speed, and they're heavy and ugly.
But they're not made for that, they're made to take the abuse that is almost inevitable in the hands of people who are, shall we say, not exactly delicate flowers.
Before actually mounting these computers in our cruisers, I dropped the Toughbook while holding it above my head (I'm about 5'10"), I punched the back of the screen (only succeeded in giving myself a bloody knuckle), poured hot coffee on the keys, and generally did things you would REALLY not want to do to your laptop.
They took it with just little scratches here and there, but no issue other than cosmetic.
One thing I did find is was that, of course, the screen is tough but it's still a laptop screen.
The clamps used to mount the laptops on a swing arm in the cars goes slightly over the sides of the Toughbook.
If the screen is slammed hard, that can actually cause a crack.
Fortunately I'd paid the extra dosh for a better warranty covering such things, and was able to remind the officers that they need to be aware of that issue.
Dells offerings are really GOOD laptops, and not bad if you need rugged, but not insanely durable.
I finally settled on the Toughbook not just because of the abuse I put them through, or just from asking other local PDs what they used.
One of my users, a recent hire only a year or so out of the Army Rangers, told me that the Toughbook are what they jumped out of aircraft with.
The abuse a grizzled old geek like myself can throw at a computer is pretty much NOTHING like what an Army Ranger could do.
So far, the TBs have been worth every penny we spent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966082</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1257275580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or someone like myself, who wants to buy exactly ONE laptop that will last forever, and which I do not wish to have to protect like a newborn infant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or someone like myself , who wants to buy exactly ONE laptop that will last forever , and which I do not wish to have to protect like a newborn infant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or someone like myself, who wants to buy exactly ONE laptop that will last forever, and which I do not wish to have to protect like a newborn infant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29972254</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257259380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer:  I work for a company that installs, and occasionally rebuilds, laptops in police cars.</p><p>We have a department that we service which started off using Ultra notebooks.  Good enough machines, I guess, since they're just a rebadged Mitac, Sager, or whatever boxes like almost anything else, but they didn't hold up very well.  Failures included backlight tubes broken or dark, non-functional inverters, broken or sloppy hinges, malfunctioning LCD data cables, broken power connectors, missing keys, etc.</p><p>On the other hand, we have a department that installed Toughbooks at about the same time.  The biggest complaint I hear from them:  The batteries are all worn out, and the old Pentium III CPUs just aren't very fast anymore.  Meanwhile, the machines <i>still just fucking work</i>.  They tend to outlast the vehicles they're installed in.</p><p>So, anyway, the Ultras were lasting only a year or two (the department has since switched to Toughbooks).  The Toughbooks have lasted for far longer.</p><p>So, anecdotally at least, the machines sure do seem to be better built.  Add to that the public safety mentality of "it must always just fucking work, at any rational expense" whenever it comes to gear that lives depend on, and very quickly the preference grows toward "rugged" computers from Motorola, Dell, Mitac, Panasonic, or whoever, versus "consumer" computers from the same brands.</p><p>And don't assume that they'll treat their computers as gently as you treat your own.  As an elder co-worker of mine told me once, "they aren't always too nice to these cars."</p><p>(ObDisclaimer:  I've unintentionally put my 4.5 year old Dell Inspiron 6000i through many of the same tests seen in the video in the article, except for the water, without any lasting damage.  The main problems that I have with the machine is that the display hinges have a bad design for their mounting points, which causes the screws to loosen over time in even normal use, and that the hard drive died after I used it at length outside in most days one particularly cold January.  But perhaps I'm not as abusive as I think I am.</p><p>ObFurtherDisclaimer:  I tried to use my boss's rugged Motorola laptop in 5F, windy weather on a rooftop one day, and the machine never even booted up.  Seems the thing is <i>so rugged</i> that it has a heater for the hard drive, to solve the very problem I experienced with my own Dell, except that after a half hour of waiting for it to warm up and, you know, <i>work</i>, I gave up and moved on to other instrumentation.))</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I work for a company that installs , and occasionally rebuilds , laptops in police cars.We have a department that we service which started off using Ultra notebooks .
Good enough machines , I guess , since they 're just a rebadged Mitac , Sager , or whatever boxes like almost anything else , but they did n't hold up very well .
Failures included backlight tubes broken or dark , non-functional inverters , broken or sloppy hinges , malfunctioning LCD data cables , broken power connectors , missing keys , etc.On the other hand , we have a department that installed Toughbooks at about the same time .
The biggest complaint I hear from them : The batteries are all worn out , and the old Pentium III CPUs just are n't very fast anymore .
Meanwhile , the machines still just fucking work .
They tend to outlast the vehicles they 're installed in.So , anyway , the Ultras were lasting only a year or two ( the department has since switched to Toughbooks ) .
The Toughbooks have lasted for far longer.So , anecdotally at least , the machines sure do seem to be better built .
Add to that the public safety mentality of " it must always just fucking work , at any rational expense " whenever it comes to gear that lives depend on , and very quickly the preference grows toward " rugged " computers from Motorola , Dell , Mitac , Panasonic , or whoever , versus " consumer " computers from the same brands.And do n't assume that they 'll treat their computers as gently as you treat your own .
As an elder co-worker of mine told me once , " they are n't always too nice to these cars .
" ( ObDisclaimer : I 've unintentionally put my 4.5 year old Dell Inspiron 6000i through many of the same tests seen in the video in the article , except for the water , without any lasting damage .
The main problems that I have with the machine is that the display hinges have a bad design for their mounting points , which causes the screws to loosen over time in even normal use , and that the hard drive died after I used it at length outside in most days one particularly cold January .
But perhaps I 'm not as abusive as I think I am.ObFurtherDisclaimer : I tried to use my boss 's rugged Motorola laptop in 5F , windy weather on a rooftop one day , and the machine never even booted up .
Seems the thing is so rugged that it has a heater for the hard drive , to solve the very problem I experienced with my own Dell , except that after a half hour of waiting for it to warm up and , you know , work , I gave up and moved on to other instrumentation .
) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer:  I work for a company that installs, and occasionally rebuilds, laptops in police cars.We have a department that we service which started off using Ultra notebooks.
Good enough machines, I guess, since they're just a rebadged Mitac, Sager, or whatever boxes like almost anything else, but they didn't hold up very well.
Failures included backlight tubes broken or dark, non-functional inverters, broken or sloppy hinges, malfunctioning LCD data cables, broken power connectors, missing keys, etc.On the other hand, we have a department that installed Toughbooks at about the same time.
The biggest complaint I hear from them:  The batteries are all worn out, and the old Pentium III CPUs just aren't very fast anymore.
Meanwhile, the machines still just fucking work.
They tend to outlast the vehicles they're installed in.So, anyway, the Ultras were lasting only a year or two (the department has since switched to Toughbooks).
The Toughbooks have lasted for far longer.So, anecdotally at least, the machines sure do seem to be better built.
Add to that the public safety mentality of "it must always just fucking work, at any rational expense" whenever it comes to gear that lives depend on, and very quickly the preference grows toward "rugged" computers from Motorola, Dell, Mitac, Panasonic, or whoever, versus "consumer" computers from the same brands.And don't assume that they'll treat their computers as gently as you treat your own.
As an elder co-worker of mine told me once, "they aren't always too nice to these cars.
"(ObDisclaimer:  I've unintentionally put my 4.5 year old Dell Inspiron 6000i through many of the same tests seen in the video in the article, except for the water, without any lasting damage.
The main problems that I have with the machine is that the display hinges have a bad design for their mounting points, which causes the screws to loosen over time in even normal use, and that the hard drive died after I used it at length outside in most days one particularly cold January.
But perhaps I'm not as abusive as I think I am.ObFurtherDisclaimer:  I tried to use my boss's rugged Motorola laptop in 5F, windy weather on a rooftop one day, and the machine never even booted up.
Seems the thing is so rugged that it has a heater for the hard drive, to solve the very problem I experienced with my own Dell, except that after a half hour of waiting for it to warm up and, you know, work, I gave up and moved on to other instrumentation.
))</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964548</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257268800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used a lot in the UK.</p><p>Heating engineers etc. use them to fill out their job sheets. Maybe not the one man band ones but the big nationwide ones.</p><p>Some of the Police forces are using them and want them as the environment is not exactly friendly to normal electronics. And of course when it all goes bad and kicks off it's something nice and heavy to throw at the thug trying to kill you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used a lot in the UK.Heating engineers etc .
use them to fill out their job sheets .
Maybe not the one man band ones but the big nationwide ones.Some of the Police forces are using them and want them as the environment is not exactly friendly to normal electronics .
And of course when it all goes bad and kicks off it 's something nice and heavy to throw at the thug trying to kill you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used a lot in the UK.Heating engineers etc.
use them to fill out their job sheets.
Maybe not the one man band ones but the big nationwide ones.Some of the Police forces are using them and want them as the environment is not exactly friendly to normal electronics.
And of course when it all goes bad and kicks off it's something nice and heavy to throw at the thug trying to kill you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29975478</id>
	<title>sponsored by...</title>
	<author>wisdom\_brewing</author>
	<datestamp>1256984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... Panasonic Viera 600hz TV...<p><div class="quote"><p>"Trusted Reviews" indeed...</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Panasonic Viera 600hz TV... " Trusted Reviews " indeed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Panasonic Viera 600hz TV..."Trusted Reviews" indeed...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.30005140</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1257519420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's North Dakota got to do with anything?  I can mention the surface of Mars in a post, it doesn't mean I live there.  It doesn't mean I come from there.  It doesn't even mean I've ever been there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's North Dakota got to do with anything ?
I can mention the surface of Mars in a post , it does n't mean I live there .
It does n't mean I come from there .
It does n't even mean I 've ever been there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's North Dakota got to do with anything?
I can mention the surface of Mars in a post, it doesn't mean I live there.
It doesn't mean I come from there.
It doesn't even mean I've ever been there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29968166</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>CrashandDie</author>
	<datestamp>1257242640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was part of a project where BT field ops would get rugged laptops.<br> <br>

Trust me, when I'm cruising around town and I see one of bastards, I always go for the kill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was part of a project where BT field ops would get rugged laptops .
Trust me , when I 'm cruising around town and I see one of bastards , I always go for the kill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was part of a project where BT field ops would get rugged laptops.
Trust me, when I'm cruising around town and I see one of bastards, I always go for the kill.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964814</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1257269880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would</p><p>1. Leave a valuable possession on the ground<br>2. Promptly forget about it<br>3. And then drive over it with their car<br>4. ?<br>5. Profit !</p><p>If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general, seems like they'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a "accident-prone forgetful dumbass".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1 .
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2 .
Promptly forget about it3 .
And then drive over it with their car4 .
? 5. Profit ! If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general , seems like they 'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a " accident-prone forgetful dumbass " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1.
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2.
Promptly forget about it3.
And then drive over it with their car4.
?5. Profit !If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general, seems like they'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a "accident-prone forgetful dumbass".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965030</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>He specified he was in North Dakota. Temperature measurements in the U.S. are almost always in F, something frequently mentioned on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</li><li>-40F == -40C</li><li>A car could get to ~150F sitting in the sun for a few hours. It's a little more difficult to get to 150C when something is just 'baking in the sun'</li></ul><p>

In other words, use some common sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He specified he was in North Dakota .
Temperature measurements in the U.S. are almost always in F , something frequently mentioned on /.-40F = = -40CA car could get to ~ 150F sitting in the sun for a few hours .
It 's a little more difficult to get to 150C when something is just 'baking in the sun ' In other words , use some common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
He specified he was in North Dakota.
Temperature measurements in the U.S. are almost always in F, something frequently mentioned on /.-40F == -40CA car could get to ~150F sitting in the sun for a few hours.
It's a little more difficult to get to 150C when something is just 'baking in the sun'

In other words, use some common sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965958</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Dell has taken over from emachines as the computers built with the cheapest (and crappiest!) parts available, what do you expect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Dell has taken over from emachines as the computers built with the cheapest ( and crappiest !
) parts available , what do you expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Dell has taken over from emachines as the computers built with the cheapest (and crappiest!
) parts available, what do you expect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965756</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1257273960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no, the line is "may he rest in pees".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , the line is " may he rest in pees " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, the line is "may he rest in pees".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967916</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>RudeIota</author>
	<datestamp>1257241560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now, if only it could warm your fingers which would be frozen so stiff they'd be useless for typing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , if only it could warm your fingers which would be frozen so stiff they 'd be useless for typing .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, if only it could warm your fingers which would be frozen so stiff they'd be useless for typing.
:-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964768</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>darkmayo</author>
	<datestamp>1257269640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are comparing a base limited warranty with an ADP warranty, apples an oranges.</p><p>Panasonic has ADP warranty as well which like the rest of the brands has to be purchased, I am not aware of any company that has accidental damage protection as there baseline warranty for a laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are comparing a base limited warranty with an ADP warranty , apples an oranges.Panasonic has ADP warranty as well which like the rest of the brands has to be purchased , I am not aware of any company that has accidental damage protection as there baseline warranty for a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are comparing a base limited warranty with an ADP warranty, apples an oranges.Panasonic has ADP warranty as well which like the rest of the brands has to be purchased, I am not aware of any company that has accidental damage protection as there baseline warranty for a laptop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965934</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257274920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Context clues, dear, context clues. He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...</p></div><p>So what? -40 F = -40 C, a rare example of equivalence between the two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Context clues , dear , context clues .
He said " North Dakota " -- a state in the USA , which uses Fahrenheit...So what ?
-40 F = -40 C , a rare example of equivalence between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Context clues, dear, context clues.
He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...So what?
-40 F = -40 C, a rare example of equivalence between the two.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966838</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>Rary</author>
	<datestamp>1257279540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would</p><p>1. Leave a valuable possession on the ground<br>2. Promptly forget about it<br>3. And then drive over it with their car<br>4. ?<br>5. Profit !</p></div><p>You'd be amazed what a little alcohol can do. I know someone who did precisely what you described (well, there was no step 5), only the valuable possession in question was not a laptop, but a Gibson Les Paul.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1 .
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2 .
Promptly forget about it3 .
And then drive over it with their car4 .
? 5. Profit ! You 'd be amazed what a little alcohol can do .
I know someone who did precisely what you described ( well , there was no step 5 ) , only the valuable possession in question was not a laptop , but a Gibson Les Paul .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1.
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2.
Promptly forget about it3.
And then drive over it with their car4.
?5. Profit !You'd be amazed what a little alcohol can do.
I know someone who did precisely what you described (well, there was no step 5), only the valuable possession in question was not a laptop, but a Gibson Les Paul.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964908</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1257270240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was chatting to a British Telecom (BT) engineer a few years back and I believe they have Toughbooks.</p><p>He told me he used his closed laptop as a 'level' under his ladder when working up a pole on a sloping steets!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was chatting to a British Telecom ( BT ) engineer a few years back and I believe they have Toughbooks.He told me he used his closed laptop as a 'level ' under his ladder when working up a pole on a sloping steets !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was chatting to a British Telecom (BT) engineer a few years back and I believe they have Toughbooks.He told me he used his closed laptop as a 'level' under his ladder when working up a pole on a sloping steets!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29969140</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1257246300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I wouldn't know what they are.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>lol -- I actually make it a point to buy gloves that don't impede my ability to type.  It helps that I have small hands -- I can get a decent amount of material on the fingers without them getting so fat I hit multiple keys at once.  The gloves I use maybe aren't as warm as they could be, but they're a heck of a lot warmer than no gloves at all, which is the situation my hands would be in if the only alternative was to remove the gloves to be able to use my fingers.  I used to have a drawer full of gloves I never wore because they were too bulky while my hands froze because I wasn't wearing gloves.  Now I just buy gloves I will actually use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I would n't know what they are .
...lol -- I actually make it a point to buy gloves that do n't impede my ability to type .
It helps that I have small hands -- I can get a decent amount of material on the fingers without them getting so fat I hit multiple keys at once .
The gloves I use maybe are n't as warm as they could be , but they 're a heck of a lot warmer than no gloves at all , which is the situation my hands would be in if the only alternative was to remove the gloves to be able to use my fingers .
I used to have a drawer full of gloves I never wore because they were too bulky while my hands froze because I was n't wearing gloves .
Now I just buy gloves I will actually use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure cold operation has some uses but my fingers stop working somewhere around -10C so I wouldn't know what they are.
...lol -- I actually make it a point to buy gloves that don't impede my ability to type.
It helps that I have small hands -- I can get a decent amount of material on the fingers without them getting so fat I hit multiple keys at once.
The gloves I use maybe aren't as warm as they could be, but they're a heck of a lot warmer than no gloves at all, which is the situation my hands would be in if the only alternative was to remove the gloves to be able to use my fingers.
I used to have a drawer full of gloves I never wore because they were too bulky while my hands froze because I wasn't wearing gloves.
Now I just buy gloves I will actually use.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965880</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257274560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Context clues, dear, context clues. He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...</p></div><p>You DO realize that -40 is the same in both C and F right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Context clues , dear , context clues .
He said " North Dakota " -- a state in the USA , which uses Fahrenheit...You DO realize that -40 is the same in both C and F right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Context clues, dear, context clues.
He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...You DO realize that -40 is the same in both C and F right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966058</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p></div><p>When I worked for a cell phone company, the tower climber guys all had these for performing diagnostics on the transceivers up at the top of the towers.</p><p>There were numerous stories of these things being dropped while climbing, and the laptop survived.<br>(I'm fairly sure they were the Panasonic models going by memory.  I didn't know Dell even made rugged laptops until this article.)</p><p>Just one example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can appreciate there is very likely a need , or they would n't make them , but I really do n't know what that need is ; especially , under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? When I worked for a cell phone company , the tower climber guys all had these for performing diagnostics on the transceivers up at the top of the towers.There were numerous stories of these things being dropped while climbing , and the laptop survived .
( I 'm fairly sure they were the Panasonic models going by memory .
I did n't know Dell even made rugged laptops until this article .
) Just one example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?When I worked for a cell phone company, the tower climber guys all had these for performing diagnostics on the transceivers up at the top of the towers.There were numerous stories of these things being dropped while climbing, and the laptop survived.
(I'm fairly sure they were the Panasonic models going by memory.
I didn't know Dell even made rugged laptops until this article.
)Just one example.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967204</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1257281520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook* with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked.</p></div></blockquote><p>*<i>or any model, for that matter. . . except you got one thing wrong. They will ask "where should it be shipped, and by the way, would you be interested in a nice shiny new Latitude or Precision today?  Can I interest you in a nice new Dell printer [for which you can buy cartridges <i>only</i> from Dell]?"</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook * with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked .
* or any model , for that matter .
. .
except you got one thing wrong .
They will ask " where should it be shipped , and by the way , would you be interested in a nice shiny new Latitude or Precision today ?
Can I interest you in a nice new Dell printer [ for which you can buy cartridges only from Dell ] ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand if you purchase a Dell or an HP ruggedized notebook* with the accidental damage protection the notebook will be repaired with no questions asked.
*or any model, for that matter.
. .
except you got one thing wrong.
They will ask "where should it be shipped, and by the way, would you be interested in a nice shiny new Latitude or Precision today?
Can I interest you in a nice new Dell printer [for which you can buy cartridges only from Dell]?
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965432</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>littledannynolan</author>
	<datestamp>1257272460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Minus Forty is the magic temperature

-40 C = -40 F = Damn Cold</htmltext>
<tokenext>Minus Forty is the magic temperature -40 C = -40 F = Damn Cold</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minus Forty is the magic temperature

-40 C = -40 F = Damn Cold</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965062</id>
	<title>mod 3own</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">people playing can with any sort abysmal sales a8d lead developers sadness And it was fastest-growing GAY consistent with the</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>people playing can with any sort abysmal sales a8d lead developers sadness And it was fastest-growing GAY consistent with the [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people playing can with any sort abysmal sales a8d lead developers sadness And it was fastest-growing GAY consistent with the [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964836</id>
	<title>The point of ruggedized</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1257269940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!</p></div><p>You are missing the point.  If you happen to work in any sort of extreme environment (very hot, very cold, very dusty, etc) your Dell is going to die pretty quickly if it even works at all.  Furthermore there are jobs where equipment failure has serious consequences.  The point is that it <b>doesn't die in the first place</b>, not that you can replace it.  Take a standard laptop on a polar expedition or into the middle of a desert and getting your laptop serviced isn't exactly going to be an option you can exercise.  And thanks to our good friend Murphy odds are it will break at the least convenient time possible.</p><p>Ruggedized laptops aren't for office workers.  They are for people who work very far from climate controlled offices.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks , I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day ! You are missing the point .
If you happen to work in any sort of extreme environment ( very hot , very cold , very dusty , etc ) your Dell is going to die pretty quickly if it even works at all .
Furthermore there are jobs where equipment failure has serious consequences .
The point is that it does n't die in the first place , not that you can replace it .
Take a standard laptop on a polar expedition or into the middle of a desert and getting your laptop serviced is n't exactly going to be an option you can exercise .
And thanks to our good friend Murphy odds are it will break at the least convenient time possible.Ruggedized laptops are n't for office workers .
They are for people who work very far from climate controlled offices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the cost of the Panasonic ToughBooks, I would take a Dell XFR + CompleteCare any day!You are missing the point.
If you happen to work in any sort of extreme environment (very hot, very cold, very dusty, etc) your Dell is going to die pretty quickly if it even works at all.
Furthermore there are jobs where equipment failure has serious consequences.
The point is that it doesn't die in the first place, not that you can replace it.
Take a standard laptop on a polar expedition or into the middle of a desert and getting your laptop serviced isn't exactly going to be an option you can exercise.
And thanks to our good friend Murphy odds are it will break at the least convenient time possible.Ruggedized laptops aren't for office workers.
They are for people who work very far from climate controlled offices.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965380</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>interploy</author>
	<datestamp>1257272280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p></div><p>Construction.  I used to work for a roofing company and the owner bought one of those tablet laptops to use when he went to do estimates and to keep his notes for big projects.  He bought the thing new, but after a few months the cd drive wouldn't close, it was missing keys and both the case were scratched to hell.  It wouldn't have surprised me at all if it'd gotten run over one day, or dropped off the side of a building.  A toughbook would have been a much better choice.  I agree it doesn't make sense to get one unless you're really clumsy or need to bring your laptop into hazardous conditions, but there's definitely a need.  I bet that plumber would have loved to get his hands on one too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? Construction .
I used to work for a roofing company and the owner bought one of those tablet laptops to use when he went to do estimates and to keep his notes for big projects .
He bought the thing new , but after a few months the cd drive would n't close , it was missing keys and both the case were scratched to hell .
It would n't have surprised me at all if it 'd gotten run over one day , or dropped off the side of a building .
A toughbook would have been a much better choice .
I agree it does n't make sense to get one unless you 're really clumsy or need to bring your laptop into hazardous conditions , but there 's definitely a need .
I bet that plumber would have loved to get his hands on one too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?Construction.
I used to work for a roofing company and the owner bought one of those tablet laptops to use when he went to do estimates and to keep his notes for big projects.
He bought the thing new, but after a few months the cd drive wouldn't close, it was missing keys and both the case were scratched to hell.
It wouldn't have surprised me at all if it'd gotten run over one day, or dropped off the side of a building.
A toughbook would have been a much better choice.
I agree it doesn't make sense to get one unless you're really clumsy or need to bring your laptop into hazardous conditions, but there's definitely a need.
I bet that plumber would have loved to get his hands on one too.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965442</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>Bender0x7D1</author>
	<datestamp>1257272520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are assuming a relatively calm environment.</p><p>How about if you are attempting emergency repairs during a tropical storm?  Or a construction site in general?  PEOPLE get hit/run over in those situations, so it's not unlikely that a laptop could encounter that situation.</p><p>Also, how about if you leave the laptop on the end gate of a 5-ton truck?  The driver hops in to move the truck and never even notices the laptop, or that the end gate is down.  Even if THEY don't run it over, someone else might.</p><p>Now, to be fair - I don't think any of those scenarios are LIKELY - just possible.  Besides, one of the reasons you buy a Toughbook is you bring it to places where Bad Things are far more likely to happen to it than if it were in a cubical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are assuming a relatively calm environment.How about if you are attempting emergency repairs during a tropical storm ?
Or a construction site in general ?
PEOPLE get hit/run over in those situations , so it 's not unlikely that a laptop could encounter that situation.Also , how about if you leave the laptop on the end gate of a 5-ton truck ?
The driver hops in to move the truck and never even notices the laptop , or that the end gate is down .
Even if THEY do n't run it over , someone else might.Now , to be fair - I do n't think any of those scenarios are LIKELY - just possible .
Besides , one of the reasons you buy a Toughbook is you bring it to places where Bad Things are far more likely to happen to it than if it were in a cubical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are assuming a relatively calm environment.How about if you are attempting emergency repairs during a tropical storm?
Or a construction site in general?
PEOPLE get hit/run over in those situations, so it's not unlikely that a laptop could encounter that situation.Also, how about if you leave the laptop on the end gate of a 5-ton truck?
The driver hops in to move the truck and never even notices the laptop, or that the end gate is down.
Even if THEY don't run it over, someone else might.Now, to be fair - I don't think any of those scenarios are LIKELY - just possible.
Besides, one of the reasons you buy a Toughbook is you bring it to places where Bad Things are far more likely to happen to it than if it were in a cubical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964484</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Kagato</author>
	<datestamp>1257268500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't a uber traveler laptop.  It's for people working in harsh environments.  Do you work on an oil rig, war zone or the middle of the amazon?  If you answer no, then you don't need a rugged laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a uber traveler laptop .
It 's for people working in harsh environments .
Do you work on an oil rig , war zone or the middle of the amazon ?
If you answer no , then you do n't need a rugged laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a uber traveler laptop.
It's for people working in harsh environments.
Do you work on an oil rig, war zone or the middle of the amazon?
If you answer no, then you don't need a rugged laptop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964826</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257269880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At my job, we use these toughbooks in extreme conditions -- think arctic/antarctic desert and Middle Eastern deserts.  Especially in the latter, the toughbook excels because all of the ports are blocked against FOD [foreign objects and debris] -- namely, if there's a sandstorm that kicks up, the sand can't enter the unit in any way.</p><p>In addition, try using a regular laptop while riding on a humvee through rocky terrain.  No way that disk lasts, whereas the toughbook disks are made to absorb the shock and vibration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At my job , we use these toughbooks in extreme conditions -- think arctic/antarctic desert and Middle Eastern deserts .
Especially in the latter , the toughbook excels because all of the ports are blocked against FOD [ foreign objects and debris ] -- namely , if there 's a sandstorm that kicks up , the sand ca n't enter the unit in any way.In addition , try using a regular laptop while riding on a humvee through rocky terrain .
No way that disk lasts , whereas the toughbook disks are made to absorb the shock and vibration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my job, we use these toughbooks in extreme conditions -- think arctic/antarctic desert and Middle Eastern deserts.
Especially in the latter, the toughbook excels because all of the ports are blocked against FOD [foreign objects and debris] -- namely, if there's a sandstorm that kicks up, the sand can't enter the unit in any way.In addition, try using a regular laptop while riding on a humvee through rocky terrain.
No way that disk lasts, whereas the toughbook disks are made to absorb the shock and vibration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964242</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1257267480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> The being-run-over-by-trucks part is probably just a marketing pitch, but the main draw of these ruggedized 'books is that they can withstand more shock than the average laptop. Where your standard laptops die after dropping from the desk, these can withstand a 2-storey drop, and some are very water resistant. Perfect for active engineers. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The being-run-over-by-trucks part is probably just a marketing pitch , but the main draw of these ruggedized 'books is that they can withstand more shock than the average laptop .
Where your standard laptops die after dropping from the desk , these can withstand a 2-storey drop , and some are very water resistant .
Perfect for active engineers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The being-run-over-by-trucks part is probably just a marketing pitch, but the main draw of these ruggedized 'books is that they can withstand more shock than the average laptop.
Where your standard laptops die after dropping from the desk, these can withstand a 2-storey drop, and some are very water resistant.
Perfect for active engineers. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965790</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>quarterbuck</author>
	<datestamp>1257274140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably not the actual user scenario. <br>
1)Take your laptop and coffee to your car parked outside Dunkin donuts<br>
2) Leave the laptop on the roof of the car to have one hand free to open the car door. <br>
3) Get in close the door and drive, forgetting that laptop on the roof <br>
4) Laptop falls down and driven over by the next sleep deprived, coffee swilling, late for office driver behind you <br>
? <br>
5) Profit</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably not the actual user scenario .
1 ) Take your laptop and coffee to your car parked outside Dunkin donuts 2 ) Leave the laptop on the roof of the car to have one hand free to open the car door .
3 ) Get in close the door and drive , forgetting that laptop on the roof 4 ) Laptop falls down and driven over by the next sleep deprived , coffee swilling , late for office driver behind you ?
5 ) Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably not the actual user scenario.
1)Take your laptop and coffee to your car parked outside Dunkin donuts
2) Leave the laptop on the roof of the car to have one hand free to open the car door.
3) Get in close the door and drive, forgetting that laptop on the roof 
4) Laptop falls down and driven over by the next sleep deprived, coffee swilling, late for office driver behind you 
?
5) Profit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29984200</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever tried to get donut sprinkles out of a laptop keyboard? That is why they have toughbooks in police cars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever tried to get donut sprinkles out of a laptop keyboard ?
That is why they have toughbooks in police cars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever tried to get donut sprinkles out of a laptop keyboard?
That is why they have toughbooks in police cars...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29969400</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257247320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ambulance drivers here in Melbourne, Australia use toughened laptops to track their operations out on the road. It seems to manage tasks from allocation to handoff in the hospital emergency room. A laptop with missing keys wouldn't be safe for them to use. It would accumulate crap and take their attention from the job at hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ambulance drivers here in Melbourne , Australia use toughened laptops to track their operations out on the road .
It seems to manage tasks from allocation to handoff in the hospital emergency room .
A laptop with missing keys would n't be safe for them to use .
It would accumulate crap and take their attention from the job at hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ambulance drivers here in Melbourne, Australia use toughened laptops to track their operations out on the road.
It seems to manage tasks from allocation to handoff in the hospital emergency room.
A laptop with missing keys wouldn't be safe for them to use.
It would accumulate crap and take their attention from the job at hand.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965712</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1257273720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-40 is the same in both C and F, so no need for units.</p><p>Kelvin can't be a negative value, so you know it's not K.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-40 is the same in both C and F , so no need for units.Kelvin ca n't be a negative value , so you know it 's not K .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-40 is the same in both C and F, so no need for units.Kelvin can't be a negative value, so you know it's not K.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967026</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1257280620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which part of "North Dakota" didn't you understand?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which part of " North Dakota " did n't you understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which part of "North Dakota" didn't you understand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967080</id>
	<title>Yes. These are necessary!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257280980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've designed systems where over 20,000 of these were deployed. Hourly workers treat all their tools, like tools. Whether it is a hammer or a computer, doesn't matter. It gets thrown back into the toolbox when they are done. They are not particularly gentle and you can't expect them to be.  The computers need to continue working in rough, jarring, hot, vibration prone, sunlit, humid, and freezing temperatures.  We used both Itronix and Panasonic tough books.  We looked at Dell, but there stuff was a joke.</p><p>Even with specs to support all these different environments, we had to purchase 15\% more to handle breakage issues. The hard drives were overheating even though our users were well within the operating temperature specifications.</p><p>I believe that an average college student is fairly careful compared to our workers with laptops.  I've seen multiple laptops left on the back of a truck, then seen the truck drive off and the laptop bounce to the road. A college student wouldn't do that more than once in a life.  We've had technicians do something like that multiple times. If they get back and pick up the laptop, it still works.</p><p>For anyone who may think carting these around for business travel is fun - forget it.  They weight double what even laptop-replacement models weigh and usually only have low end CPUs.</p><p>More and more industrial users are changing from laptops to handhelds or even iPhones to reduce the total cost of ownership.  Remote access is such a huge productivity enhancer, that some kind of remove computing is necessary almost regardless of the cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've designed systems where over 20,000 of these were deployed .
Hourly workers treat all their tools , like tools .
Whether it is a hammer or a computer , does n't matter .
It gets thrown back into the toolbox when they are done .
They are not particularly gentle and you ca n't expect them to be .
The computers need to continue working in rough , jarring , hot , vibration prone , sunlit , humid , and freezing temperatures .
We used both Itronix and Panasonic tough books .
We looked at Dell , but there stuff was a joke.Even with specs to support all these different environments , we had to purchase 15 \ % more to handle breakage issues .
The hard drives were overheating even though our users were well within the operating temperature specifications.I believe that an average college student is fairly careful compared to our workers with laptops .
I 've seen multiple laptops left on the back of a truck , then seen the truck drive off and the laptop bounce to the road .
A college student would n't do that more than once in a life .
We 've had technicians do something like that multiple times .
If they get back and pick up the laptop , it still works.For anyone who may think carting these around for business travel is fun - forget it .
They weight double what even laptop-replacement models weigh and usually only have low end CPUs.More and more industrial users are changing from laptops to handhelds or even iPhones to reduce the total cost of ownership .
Remote access is such a huge productivity enhancer , that some kind of remove computing is necessary almost regardless of the cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've designed systems where over 20,000 of these were deployed.
Hourly workers treat all their tools, like tools.
Whether it is a hammer or a computer, doesn't matter.
It gets thrown back into the toolbox when they are done.
They are not particularly gentle and you can't expect them to be.
The computers need to continue working in rough, jarring, hot, vibration prone, sunlit, humid, and freezing temperatures.
We used both Itronix and Panasonic tough books.
We looked at Dell, but there stuff was a joke.Even with specs to support all these different environments, we had to purchase 15\% more to handle breakage issues.
The hard drives were overheating even though our users were well within the operating temperature specifications.I believe that an average college student is fairly careful compared to our workers with laptops.
I've seen multiple laptops left on the back of a truck, then seen the truck drive off and the laptop bounce to the road.
A college student wouldn't do that more than once in a life.
We've had technicians do something like that multiple times.
If they get back and pick up the laptop, it still works.For anyone who may think carting these around for business travel is fun - forget it.
They weight double what even laptop-replacement models weigh and usually only have low end CPUs.More and more industrial users are changing from laptops to handhelds or even iPhones to reduce the total cost of ownership.
Remote access is such a huge productivity enhancer, that some kind of remove computing is necessary almost regardless of the cost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966256</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1257276300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a US site, and the poster is talking about a state in the US.  Unless you're a moron, you should be able to figure out its degrees F.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a US site , and the poster is talking about a state in the US .
Unless you 're a moron , you should be able to figure out its degrees F .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a US site, and the poster is talking about a state in the US.
Unless you're a moron, you should be able to figure out its degrees F.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</id>
	<title>Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars, fire trucks, and in the vehicles of industrial companies, but I guess I don't get why; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck, and it's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out, or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building. When a plumber came over to fix some pipes, he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys, looked like it'd gone through hell, but was still working and wasn't "ruggedized" in any way I could tell.</p><p>This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p><p>That said, they definitely *look* cool and wouldn't mind having one myself, especially if I thought I'd need to check my email outside, in a snowstorm, in the Sierra Madre.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars , fire trucks , and in the vehicles of industrial companies , but I guess I do n't get why ; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck , and it 's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out , or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building .
When a plumber came over to fix some pipes , he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys , looked like it 'd gone through hell , but was still working and was n't " ruggedized " in any way I could tell.This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need , or they would n't make them , but I really do n't know what that need is ; especially , under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? That said , they definitely * look * cool and would n't mind having one myself , especially if I thought I 'd need to check my email outside , in a snowstorm , in the Sierra Madre .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars, fire trucks, and in the vehicles of industrial companies, but I guess I don't get why; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck, and it's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out, or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building.
When a plumber came over to fix some pipes, he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys, looked like it'd gone through hell, but was still working and wasn't "ruggedized" in any way I could tell.This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?That said, they definitely *look* cool and wouldn't mind having one myself, especially if I thought I'd need to check my email outside, in a snowstorm, in the Sierra Madre.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29968382</id>
	<title>Toughtbooks are tough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257243480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have Tough Books for our EMS service.  I've seen them dropped, stepped on, tossed in the back of a truck or stretcher, everything.   I've personally dropped my Tough Book and didn't even think to say "oh no!" - I knew it was going to be ok.  They may be expensive, but I know from personal and professional experience, they hold up excellent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have Tough Books for our EMS service .
I 've seen them dropped , stepped on , tossed in the back of a truck or stretcher , everything .
I 've personally dropped my Tough Book and did n't even think to say " oh no !
" - I knew it was going to be ok. They may be expensive , but I know from personal and professional experience , they hold up excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have Tough Books for our EMS service.
I've seen them dropped, stepped on, tossed in the back of a truck or stretcher, everything.
I've personally dropped my Tough Book and didn't even think to say "oh no!
" - I knew it was going to be ok.  They may be expensive, but I know from personal and professional experience, they hold up excellent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29981712</id>
	<title>The real story here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is that Quasimodo is presenting the Dell laptop. Seriously, did you see the video? Disney's lawyers are gonna have a field day on this one!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is that Quasimodo is presenting the Dell laptop .
Seriously , did you see the video ?
Disney 's lawyers are gon na have a field day on this one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is that Quasimodo is presenting the Dell laptop.
Seriously, did you see the video?
Disney's lawyers are gonna have a field day on this one!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965696</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1257273660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was at Dell, we did have a customer whose laptop was run over by a snowplow... fortunately for him, he'd bought the accidental damage protection. Unfortunately for him, the laptop was a writeoff, and he needed to redeem the warranty for a new laptop.....</p><p>What had happened in his case was that he'd slipped on an icy sidewalk while carrying the lappy in his arms. Murphy was out in force, as the laptop slipped out and landed in the street just as the plow came by.</p><p>I'm just saying, maybe the driving over a laptop with a car wouldn't exactly be deliberate... in the testing referred to by TFS, it was, but there are circumstances where that kind of thing could happen without being intentional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was at Dell , we did have a customer whose laptop was run over by a snowplow... fortunately for him , he 'd bought the accidental damage protection .
Unfortunately for him , the laptop was a writeoff , and he needed to redeem the warranty for a new laptop.....What had happened in his case was that he 'd slipped on an icy sidewalk while carrying the lappy in his arms .
Murphy was out in force , as the laptop slipped out and landed in the street just as the plow came by.I 'm just saying , maybe the driving over a laptop with a car would n't exactly be deliberate... in the testing referred to by TFS , it was , but there are circumstances where that kind of thing could happen without being intentional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was at Dell, we did have a customer whose laptop was run over by a snowplow... fortunately for him, he'd bought the accidental damage protection.
Unfortunately for him, the laptop was a writeoff, and he needed to redeem the warranty for a new laptop.....What had happened in his case was that he'd slipped on an icy sidewalk while carrying the lappy in his arms.
Murphy was out in force, as the laptop slipped out and landed in the street just as the plow came by.I'm just saying, maybe the driving over a laptop with a car wouldn't exactly be deliberate... in the testing referred to by TFS, it was, but there are circumstances where that kind of thing could happen without being intentional.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964310</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two possibilities: One is that, through some mixture of poor prediction and being oversold, those users bought the wrong hardware. Just as many people buy "laptops" that end up spending their lives on a desk, essentially never moved, these laptops could well have been purchased to survive the Rigors of a Crime Scene; but then plunked into car mounts and not moved since. Not necessarily good planning; but a hugely common, and fairly understandable, mistake made by all sorts of individuals and organizations.<br> <br>

Second possibility is that the Toughbooks you saw were the semi-rugged versions, which are much closer in price(and durability) to basic business laptops than to their fully rugged brethren. Paying a modest premium for semi-rugged features(keyboard that'll survive coffee and donut crumbs for several years, screen that'll survive the big mean keyring falling off the dash onto it, and so forth) might well be entirely sensible even if paying the substantial premium for the fully-rugged can-be-used-underwater-even-if-there-are-sharks-with-lasers edition isn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two possibilities : One is that , through some mixture of poor prediction and being oversold , those users bought the wrong hardware .
Just as many people buy " laptops " that end up spending their lives on a desk , essentially never moved , these laptops could well have been purchased to survive the Rigors of a Crime Scene ; but then plunked into car mounts and not moved since .
Not necessarily good planning ; but a hugely common , and fairly understandable , mistake made by all sorts of individuals and organizations .
Second possibility is that the Toughbooks you saw were the semi-rugged versions , which are much closer in price ( and durability ) to basic business laptops than to their fully rugged brethren .
Paying a modest premium for semi-rugged features ( keyboard that 'll survive coffee and donut crumbs for several years , screen that 'll survive the big mean keyring falling off the dash onto it , and so forth ) might well be entirely sensible even if paying the substantial premium for the fully-rugged can-be-used-underwater-even-if-there-are-sharks-with-lasers edition is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two possibilities: One is that, through some mixture of poor prediction and being oversold, those users bought the wrong hardware.
Just as many people buy "laptops" that end up spending their lives on a desk, essentially never moved, these laptops could well have been purchased to survive the Rigors of a Crime Scene; but then plunked into car mounts and not moved since.
Not necessarily good planning; but a hugely common, and fairly understandable, mistake made by all sorts of individuals and organizations.
Second possibility is that the Toughbooks you saw were the semi-rugged versions, which are much closer in price(and durability) to basic business laptops than to their fully rugged brethren.
Paying a modest premium for semi-rugged features(keyboard that'll survive coffee and donut crumbs for several years, screen that'll survive the big mean keyring falling off the dash onto it, and so forth) might well be entirely sensible even if paying the substantial premium for the fully-rugged can-be-used-underwater-even-if-there-are-sharks-with-lasers edition isn't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29995272</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>Shooter28</author>
	<datestamp>1257438720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You miss the point.  Even if Panasonic didn't have accidental insurance (they do), you still want the better product.  Toughbooks and those like it aren't about getting your computer replaced if it breaks.  It's about having the most reliable and durable product you can have, because under harsh operational conditions you need your shit to work without having to wait for your replacement to be mailed to you overseas, or keeping a stock of backup laptops that you have to transfer new data to daily and hope you can salvage whatever data you lost that day.
<br> <br>
You want whatever product will hold up the best so you don't lose data/time/resources to mishaps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You miss the point .
Even if Panasonic did n't have accidental insurance ( they do ) , you still want the better product .
Toughbooks and those like it are n't about getting your computer replaced if it breaks .
It 's about having the most reliable and durable product you can have , because under harsh operational conditions you need your shit to work without having to wait for your replacement to be mailed to you overseas , or keeping a stock of backup laptops that you have to transfer new data to daily and hope you can salvage whatever data you lost that day .
You want whatever product will hold up the best so you do n't lose data/time/resources to mishaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You miss the point.
Even if Panasonic didn't have accidental insurance (they do), you still want the better product.
Toughbooks and those like it aren't about getting your computer replaced if it breaks.
It's about having the most reliable and durable product you can have, because under harsh operational conditions you need your shit to work without having to wait for your replacement to be mailed to you overseas, or keeping a stock of backup laptops that you have to transfer new data to daily and hope you can salvage whatever data you lost that day.
You want whatever product will hold up the best so you don't lose data/time/resources to mishaps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964610</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257269040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I had my laptop out in the car during a cold Minnesota night, I got it to the office next day and started it, heard bad sounds, got scared and turned it off.</p><p>About 20 minutes later I turned it back on, and nothing bad happened, it's been working ever since. Now, if I wanted it to work while still cold, I can understand needing a 'ruggid' computer, but for me, 20m was reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I had my laptop out in the car during a cold Minnesota night , I got it to the office next day and started it , heard bad sounds , got scared and turned it off.About 20 minutes later I turned it back on , and nothing bad happened , it 's been working ever since .
Now , if I wanted it to work while still cold , I can understand needing a 'ruggid ' computer , but for me , 20m was reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I had my laptop out in the car during a cold Minnesota night, I got it to the office next day and started it, heard bad sounds, got scared and turned it off.About 20 minutes later I turned it back on, and nothing bad happened, it's been working ever since.
Now, if I wanted it to work while still cold, I can understand needing a 'ruggid' computer, but for me, 20m was reasonable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29972966</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257264960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>my aging cat<b>, may he rest in pieces*,</b> urinated on the keyboard</p><p>* Tasty pieces!</p></div><p>That is how that line should have read.</p></div><p>FTFY</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>my aging cat , may he rest in pieces * , urinated on the keyboard * Tasty pieces ! That is how that line should have read.FTFY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my aging cat, may he rest in pieces*, urinated on the keyboard* Tasty pieces!That is how that line should have read.FTFY
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966376</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Alastor187</author>
	<datestamp>1257276900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think they even showed the whole test, or they did it wrong.  The MIL-STD-810 drop test is actually 26 total drops.  Once on each face, edge, and corner.</p><p>They didn't show if they actually measure 4' or just eye-balled it.  Also, they were dropping onto some kind of surface, but not directly on the ground.  That can have a large influence on the amount of energy transferred to the laptop during the test.  Where I work when we do a drop test we do it on a bare concrete floor, and there is fixture to ensure the exact height is used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think they even showed the whole test , or they did it wrong .
The MIL-STD-810 drop test is actually 26 total drops .
Once on each face , edge , and corner.They did n't show if they actually measure 4 ' or just eye-balled it .
Also , they were dropping onto some kind of surface , but not directly on the ground .
That can have a large influence on the amount of energy transferred to the laptop during the test .
Where I work when we do a drop test we do it on a bare concrete floor , and there is fixture to ensure the exact height is used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think they even showed the whole test, or they did it wrong.
The MIL-STD-810 drop test is actually 26 total drops.
Once on each face, edge, and corner.They didn't show if they actually measure 4' or just eye-balled it.
Also, they were dropping onto some kind of surface, but not directly on the ground.
That can have a large influence on the amount of energy transferred to the laptop during the test.
Where I work when we do a drop test we do it on a bare concrete floor, and there is fixture to ensure the exact height is used.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965154</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1257271320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars, fire trucks, and in the vehicles of industrial companies, but I guess I don't get why; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck, and it's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out, or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building.</p></div><p>It is possible that they really don't need the Toughbooks and were just oversold.  It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.</p><p>It is also possible that those are the semi-rugged Toughbooks.  They're more durable than your average laptop, but they aren't really built to take the abuse that a fully-rugged Toughbook is.</p><p>It is most likely that they actually need some form of ruggedization in those laptops.  A Toughbook isn't just built to take physical abuse like bullets and being dropped down stairs...  They also handle shocks very well, like you might get in a vehicle if you hit something or had to stop suddenly.  They handle temperature extremes very well, which you might see in a vehicle on a cold winter morning, or after sitting in the sun all day long.  They handle dust and humidity well, which you might see at the scene of a fire.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p></div><p>Construction is a big one.</p><p>We do work for a couple different building contractors and they love their Toughbooks.  They're definitely worth the money.  I've seen those things get dropped in muddy puddles and snowbanks a dozen times.  I've seen fairly heavy chunks of masonry fall on them.  And even under the best of circumstances they're operating in fairly dirty, dusty, and wet environments.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>When a plumber came over to fix some pipes, he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys, looked like it'd gone through hell, but was still working and wasn't "ruggedized" in any way I could tell.</p></div><p>Older laptops are halfway-rugged anyway...  The old processors used to run cooler, the GPU was simple and basic, the HDDs weren't all that dense...  There was more margin for error in just about everything.  With the current emphasis on thin, light-weight laptops that perform as well as a desktop, there's very little margin for error.</p><p>Having said that, however, I doubt if that plumber's laptop would work very well at 30 below zero...  Or 100+...  Or in truly dirty, wet environments...</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars , fire trucks , and in the vehicles of industrial companies , but I guess I do n't get why ; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck , and it 's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out , or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building.It is possible that they really do n't need the Toughbooks and were just oversold .
It would n't be the first time that has happened.It is also possible that those are the semi-rugged Toughbooks .
They 're more durable than your average laptop , but they are n't really built to take the abuse that a fully-rugged Toughbook is.It is most likely that they actually need some form of ruggedization in those laptops .
A Toughbook is n't just built to take physical abuse like bullets and being dropped down stairs... They also handle shocks very well , like you might get in a vehicle if you hit something or had to stop suddenly .
They handle temperature extremes very well , which you might see in a vehicle on a cold winter morning , or after sitting in the sun all day long .
They handle dust and humidity well , which you might see at the scene of a fire.This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need , or they would n't make them , but I really do n't know what that need is ; especially , under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? Construction is a big one.We do work for a couple different building contractors and they love their Toughbooks .
They 're definitely worth the money .
I 've seen those things get dropped in muddy puddles and snowbanks a dozen times .
I 've seen fairly heavy chunks of masonry fall on them .
And even under the best of circumstances they 're operating in fairly dirty , dusty , and wet environments.When a plumber came over to fix some pipes , he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys , looked like it 'd gone through hell , but was still working and was n't " ruggedized " in any way I could tell.Older laptops are halfway-rugged anyway... The old processors used to run cooler , the GPU was simple and basic , the HDDs were n't all that dense... There was more margin for error in just about everything .
With the current emphasis on thin , light-weight laptops that perform as well as a desktop , there 's very little margin for error.Having said that , however , I doubt if that plumber 's laptop would work very well at 30 below zero... Or 100 + ... Or in truly dirty , wet environments.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen Panasonic Toughbooks in police cars, fire trucks, and in the vehicles of industrial companies, but I guess I don't get why; the laptops are well protected in the car or truck, and it's not like a cop is going to use it as a shield in a shoot out, or a fireman is going to be typing something inside a burning building.It is possible that they really don't need the Toughbooks and were just oversold.
It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.It is also possible that those are the semi-rugged Toughbooks.
They're more durable than your average laptop, but they aren't really built to take the abuse that a fully-rugged Toughbook is.It is most likely that they actually need some form of ruggedization in those laptops.
A Toughbook isn't just built to take physical abuse like bullets and being dropped down stairs...  They also handle shocks very well, like you might get in a vehicle if you hit something or had to stop suddenly.
They handle temperature extremes very well, which you might see in a vehicle on a cold winter morning, or after sitting in the sun all day long.
They handle dust and humidity well, which you might see at the scene of a fire.This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?Construction is a big one.We do work for a couple different building contractors and they love their Toughbooks.
They're definitely worth the money.
I've seen those things get dropped in muddy puddles and snowbanks a dozen times.
I've seen fairly heavy chunks of masonry fall on them.
And even under the best of circumstances they're operating in fairly dirty, dusty, and wet environments.When a plumber came over to fix some pipes, he brought with him a battered Compaq laptop that was missing several keys, looked like it'd gone through hell, but was still working and wasn't "ruggedized" in any way I could tell.Older laptops are halfway-rugged anyway...  The old processors used to run cooler, the GPU was simple and basic, the HDDs weren't all that dense...  There was more margin for error in just about everything.
With the current emphasis on thin, light-weight laptops that perform as well as a desktop, there's very little margin for error.Having said that, however, I doubt if that plumber's laptop would work very well at 30 below zero...  Or 100+...  Or in truly dirty, wet environments...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964964</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1257270540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But as for ruggedness testing, do you think that they were going a little overboard? I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now, have dropped it multiple times at the airport, the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut, and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard. Thing is that it still works. I am impressed with Dell's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse. I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude. End of story for me.</p></div><p>Overboard?</p><p>You do understand what a "rugged laptop" is, right?</p><p>These are things like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic\_Toughbook" title="wikipedia.org">Panasonic Toughbook</a> [wikipedia.org]daily basis.  They're supposed to be used at construction sites, or by the military.</p><p>I've seen Toughbooks get run over by cars and keep working.</p><p>They've typically got a metal case, as opposed to plastic.  They've usually got plenty of vibration dampening and shock absorption built in.  Their ports are usually somehow protected from foreign objects and/or moisture.  They're usually underclocked or cooled at least partly passively, so they don't have as much trouble with dusty environments.</p><p>Fine, your Dell is fairly durable for a more-or-less normal home/office environment.  That's great.  But when you call a laptop "rugged" people expect a bit more than resistance to cat urine.</p></div>
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<tokenext>But as for ruggedness testing , do you think that they were going a little overboard ?
I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now , have dropped it multiple times at the airport , the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut , and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard .
Thing is that it still works .
I am impressed with Dell 's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse .
I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude .
End of story for me.Overboard ? You do understand what a " rugged laptop " is , right ? These are things like the Panasonic Toughbook [ wikipedia.org ] daily basis .
They 're supposed to be used at construction sites , or by the military.I 've seen Toughbooks get run over by cars and keep working.They 've typically got a metal case , as opposed to plastic .
They 've usually got plenty of vibration dampening and shock absorption built in .
Their ports are usually somehow protected from foreign objects and/or moisture .
They 're usually underclocked or cooled at least partly passively , so they do n't have as much trouble with dusty environments.Fine , your Dell is fairly durable for a more-or-less normal home/office environment .
That 's great .
But when you call a laptop " rugged " people expect a bit more than resistance to cat urine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But as for ruggedness testing, do you think that they were going a little overboard?
I have been using my Latitude D810 for about four years now, have dropped it multiple times at the airport, the wife stepped on it while the lid was shut, and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.
Thing is that it still works.
I am impressed with Dell's quality for the higher-end models made to withstand abuse.
I would have bought two or three HPs in the time that I have had my Latitude.
End of story for me.Overboard?You do understand what a "rugged laptop" is, right?These are things like the Panasonic Toughbook [wikipedia.org]daily basis.
They're supposed to be used at construction sites, or by the military.I've seen Toughbooks get run over by cars and keep working.They've typically got a metal case, as opposed to plastic.
They've usually got plenty of vibration dampening and shock absorption built in.
Their ports are usually somehow protected from foreign objects and/or moisture.
They're usually underclocked or cooled at least partly passively, so they don't have as much trouble with dusty environments.Fine, your Dell is fairly durable for a more-or-less normal home/office environment.
That's great.
But when you call a laptop "rugged" people expect a bit more than resistance to cat urine.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964600</id>
	<title>Why the Toughbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257268980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for the county sheriff's office for several years as an IT / network guy and can tell you that the more durable laptops are DEFINITELY useful in the police context.  No matter how often you tell them to be careful or even discipline them, cops will be cops, and most of them are pretty rough around the edges. They toss their notebooks around, drop them, spill coffee on them, you name it.  We had one notebook in for updates and servicing that looked like it had fallen into a threshing machine. My coworker asked the officer what the HELL he'd done to it, and he defensively said that HE hadn't done anything to it.  It was his K9 partner who had decided to use it as a chew toy, not his problem. At least it stall ran. Oh, and we did have one stop a bullet, although nobody was actually in the car at the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for the county sheriff 's office for several years as an IT / network guy and can tell you that the more durable laptops are DEFINITELY useful in the police context .
No matter how often you tell them to be careful or even discipline them , cops will be cops , and most of them are pretty rough around the edges .
They toss their notebooks around , drop them , spill coffee on them , you name it .
We had one notebook in for updates and servicing that looked like it had fallen into a threshing machine .
My coworker asked the officer what the HELL he 'd done to it , and he defensively said that HE had n't done anything to it .
It was his K9 partner who had decided to use it as a chew toy , not his problem .
At least it stall ran .
Oh , and we did have one stop a bullet , although nobody was actually in the car at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for the county sheriff's office for several years as an IT / network guy and can tell you that the more durable laptops are DEFINITELY useful in the police context.
No matter how often you tell them to be careful or even discipline them, cops will be cops, and most of them are pretty rough around the edges.
They toss their notebooks around, drop them, spill coffee on them, you name it.
We had one notebook in for updates and servicing that looked like it had fallen into a threshing machine.
My coworker asked the officer what the HELL he'd done to it, and he defensively said that HE hadn't done anything to it.
It was his K9 partner who had decided to use it as a chew toy, not his problem.
At least it stall ran.
Oh, and we did have one stop a bullet, although nobody was actually in the car at the time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967688</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1257240600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>These days the hard drive is the simplest challenge to solve; you use SSD. The rest of your post is spot on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These days the hard drive is the simplest challenge to solve ; you use SSD .
The rest of your post is spot on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These days the hard drive is the simplest challenge to solve; you use SSD.
The rest of your post is spot on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966974</id>
	<title>"The diet coke of evil"</title>
	<author>Frankenshteen</author>
	<datestamp>1257280260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>"Not quite evil enough"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Not quite evil enough "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Not quite evil enough"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29968724</id>
	<title>Re:Did the submitter even RTFA?</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1257244860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>No that was not the only problem</p><p>"the system's ingress protection is less than perfect. While the XFR did remain operational after we doused it with water, when we returned the next day the system wouldn't boot.Opening up the various 'sealed' doors revealed that some moisture (we're not talking torrents here) had seeped in, particularly in the large battery compartment at the rear, which isn't isolated from the system board! We left the system to dry for a day and sure enough it did boot up, but it's hardly an ideal scenario to deal with if your system ever does get exposed to the elements. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No that was not the only problem " the system 's ingress protection is less than perfect .
While the XFR did remain operational after we doused it with water , when we returned the next day the system would n't boot.Opening up the various 'sealed ' doors revealed that some moisture ( we 're not talking torrents here ) had seeped in , particularly in the large battery compartment at the rear , which is n't isolated from the system board !
We left the system to dry for a day and sure enough it did boot up , but it 's hardly an ideal scenario to deal with if your system ever does get exposed to the elements .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No that was not the only problem"the system's ingress protection is less than perfect.
While the XFR did remain operational after we doused it with water, when we returned the next day the system wouldn't boot.Opening up the various 'sealed' doors revealed that some moisture (we're not talking torrents here) had seeped in, particularly in the large battery compartment at the rear, which isn't isolated from the system board!
We left the system to dry for a day and sure enough it did boot up, but it's hardly an ideal scenario to deal with if your system ever does get exposed to the elements.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965220</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257271560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Context clues, dear, context clues. He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Context clues , dear , context clues .
He said " North Dakota " -- a state in the USA , which uses Fahrenheit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Context clues, dear, context clues.
He said "North Dakota" -- a state in the USA, which uses Fahrenheit...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965846</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>jfim</author>
	<datestamp>1257274320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>-40 Fahrenheit and -40 Celsius are <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&amp;q=-40+fahrenheit+in+celsius&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.ca">the same</a> [google.ca].</htmltext>
<tokenext>-40 Fahrenheit and -40 Celsius are the same [ google.ca ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-40 Fahrenheit and -40 Celsius are the same [google.ca].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965724</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>Spazztastic</author>
	<datestamp>1257273780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would</p><p>1. Leave a valuable possession on the ground<br>2. Promptly forget about it<br>3. And then drive over it with their car<br>4. ?<br>5. Profit !</p><p>If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general, seems like they'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a "accident-prone forgetful dumbass".</p></div><p>You clearly don't drink that much, do you?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1 .
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2 .
Promptly forget about it3 .
And then drive over it with their car4 .
? 5. Profit ! If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general , seems like they 'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a " accident-prone forgetful dumbass " .You clearly do n't drink that much , do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would1.
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2.
Promptly forget about it3.
And then drive over it with their car4.
?5. Profit !If that is their attitude to their posessions and life in general, seems like they'd be better just getting an insurance policy for being a "accident-prone forgetful dumbass".You clearly don't drink that much, do you?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964576</id>
	<title>Re: They're still making them</title>
	<author>colinnwn</author>
	<datestamp>1257268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>For policemen or many industrial companies, where if your computer went down it shouldn't delay service by much, or the service would be cheap to reschedule, using a regular laptop makes sense.
<br> <br>
But for other uses, like firemen or refinery maintenance technicians, who need to refer to building schematics and hazardous material contents before they decide how to attack a fire, or need to see maintenance documents to repair a piece of equipment keeping the refinery down at a cost over $100,000/hour, only a Toughbook or similar would do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For policemen or many industrial companies , where if your computer went down it should n't delay service by much , or the service would be cheap to reschedule , using a regular laptop makes sense .
But for other uses , like firemen or refinery maintenance technicians , who need to refer to building schematics and hazardous material contents before they decide how to attack a fire , or need to see maintenance documents to repair a piece of equipment keeping the refinery down at a cost over $ 100,000/hour , only a Toughbook or similar would do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For policemen or many industrial companies, where if your computer went down it shouldn't delay service by much, or the service would be cheap to reschedule, using a regular laptop makes sense.
But for other uses, like firemen or refinery maintenance technicians, who need to refer to building schematics and hazardous material contents before they decide how to attack a fire, or need to see maintenance documents to repair a piece of equipment keeping the refinery down at a cost over $100,000/hour, only a Toughbook or similar would do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966764</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1257279000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work with people who require laptops where surviving being run over by a truck is a minimum requirement, because that or worse is a distinct possibility.  Things like dropping a laptop from 20 feet up onto concrete because you had more residual lubricant on your gloved hand than you realized happen on occasion.</p><p>If you're going to spend $3,000+ on a ruggedized laptop, it should be able to handle anything.  The ToughBook line comes pretty close, but apparently Dell is nowhere close.</p><p>On the other hand, I do not understand why Panasonic drivers change for every single component of every model of a particular line (cf-30k vs cf-30n, for example).  Sure I could see some parts being different, but a different MODEM for each version? Really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work with people who require laptops where surviving being run over by a truck is a minimum requirement , because that or worse is a distinct possibility .
Things like dropping a laptop from 20 feet up onto concrete because you had more residual lubricant on your gloved hand than you realized happen on occasion.If you 're going to spend $ 3,000 + on a ruggedized laptop , it should be able to handle anything .
The ToughBook line comes pretty close , but apparently Dell is nowhere close.On the other hand , I do not understand why Panasonic drivers change for every single component of every model of a particular line ( cf-30k vs cf-30n , for example ) .
Sure I could see some parts being different , but a different MODEM for each version ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work with people who require laptops where surviving being run over by a truck is a minimum requirement, because that or worse is a distinct possibility.
Things like dropping a laptop from 20 feet up onto concrete because you had more residual lubricant on your gloved hand than you realized happen on occasion.If you're going to spend $3,000+ on a ruggedized laptop, it should be able to handle anything.
The ToughBook line comes pretty close, but apparently Dell is nowhere close.On the other hand, I do not understand why Panasonic drivers change for every single component of every model of a particular line (cf-30k vs cf-30n, for example).
Sure I could see some parts being different, but a different MODEM for each version?
Really?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967772</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257240900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-40 at night and 150 during the day!!<br>Where do you live the moon, oh wait you live in North Dakota.</p><p>I'm so sorry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-40 at night and 150 during the day !
! Where do you live the moon , oh wait you live in North Dakota.I 'm so sorry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-40 at night and 150 during the day!
!Where do you live the moon, oh wait you live in North Dakota.I'm so sorry</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966208</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1257276060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can think of many reasons they're a good value for police.</p><p>Ever put something on the roof of your car, then been reminded of it when you drive off and hear the thud? Imagine your job involves being at the side of the road using your laptop many times a day. Throw in some incidents of physical violence and you can imagine how often that might happen in a year.</p><p>Add in getting knocked off the car during a scuffle when the suspect decides he'd rather not get in the back of the car. Throw in the occasional 3 point turn where the laptop goes to the floorboard, stormy days, general bad days, and keyboard rage and it really starts to make sense to buy a ruggedized laptop. It doesn't take too many needed replacements of a regular old laptop to make up the price difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of many reasons they 're a good value for police.Ever put something on the roof of your car , then been reminded of it when you drive off and hear the thud ?
Imagine your job involves being at the side of the road using your laptop many times a day .
Throw in some incidents of physical violence and you can imagine how often that might happen in a year.Add in getting knocked off the car during a scuffle when the suspect decides he 'd rather not get in the back of the car .
Throw in the occasional 3 point turn where the laptop goes to the floorboard , stormy days , general bad days , and keyboard rage and it really starts to make sense to buy a ruggedized laptop .
It does n't take too many needed replacements of a regular old laptop to make up the price difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of many reasons they're a good value for police.Ever put something on the roof of your car, then been reminded of it when you drive off and hear the thud?
Imagine your job involves being at the side of the road using your laptop many times a day.
Throw in some incidents of physical violence and you can imagine how often that might happen in a year.Add in getting knocked off the car during a scuffle when the suspect decides he'd rather not get in the back of the car.
Throw in the occasional 3 point turn where the laptop goes to the floorboard, stormy days, general bad days, and keyboard rage and it really starts to make sense to buy a ruggedized laptop.
It doesn't take too many needed replacements of a regular old laptop to make up the price difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964490</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Technonotice\_Dom</author>
	<datestamp>1257268560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While they're not your every day laptop, there are some people out there who have a use for them.  Once, while working in a computer repair shop back in 2002, a customer came in with a very battered old Toughbook.  As it turned out, it really had been through a warzone, as he'd been a journalist in Afghanistan during the invasion and it'd been his companion for the last year or two.</p><p>Despite its appearance, the hardware was working perfectly - more than can be said for the Windows install on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While they 're not your every day laptop , there are some people out there who have a use for them .
Once , while working in a computer repair shop back in 2002 , a customer came in with a very battered old Toughbook .
As it turned out , it really had been through a warzone , as he 'd been a journalist in Afghanistan during the invasion and it 'd been his companion for the last year or two.Despite its appearance , the hardware was working perfectly - more than can be said for the Windows install on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While they're not your every day laptop, there are some people out there who have a use for them.
Once, while working in a computer repair shop back in 2002, a customer came in with a very battered old Toughbook.
As it turned out, it really had been through a warzone, as he'd been a journalist in Afghanistan during the invasion and it'd been his companion for the last year or two.Despite its appearance, the hardware was working perfectly - more than can be said for the Windows install on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964982</id>
	<title>General Dynamics</title>
	<author>GrBear</author>
	<datestamp>1257270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno man, I'd rather buy a <a href="http://gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:GD8000" title="gd-itronix.com" rel="nofollow">notebook</a> [gd-itronix.com] from a <a href="http://www.gdls.com/" title="gdls.com" rel="nofollow">company</a> [gdls.com] that knows how to make things <a href="http://www.gdls.com/programs/abrams.html" title="gdls.com" rel="nofollow">rugged</a> [gdls.com], verses a company that makes VCR's and questionable quality audio products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno man , I 'd rather buy a notebook [ gd-itronix.com ] from a company [ gdls.com ] that knows how to make things rugged [ gdls.com ] , verses a company that makes VCR 's and questionable quality audio products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno man, I'd rather buy a notebook [gd-itronix.com] from a company [gdls.com] that knows how to make things rugged [gdls.com], verses a company that makes VCR's and questionable quality audio products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966170</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257275940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this case, it doesn't matter... <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=-40+fahrenheit+in+celsius" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">-40 degrees</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case , it does n't matter... -40 degrees [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case, it doesn't matter... -40 degrees [google.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964882</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964286</id>
	<title>In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>moosehooey</author>
	<datestamp>1257267600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A regular laptop won't start up at -40 after a North Dakota night.  The toughbook says "Please wait, warming up" on the BIOS screen while it pre-warms the hard drive.  It also works just fine when it's baking in the sun at 150, whereas the old Dell I had would crash at those temperatures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A regular laptop wo n't start up at -40 after a North Dakota night .
The toughbook says " Please wait , warming up " on the BIOS screen while it pre-warms the hard drive .
It also works just fine when it 's baking in the sun at 150 , whereas the old Dell I had would crash at those temperatures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A regular laptop won't start up at -40 after a North Dakota night.
The toughbook says "Please wait, warming up" on the BIOS screen while it pre-warms the hard drive.
It also works just fine when it's baking in the sun at 150, whereas the old Dell I had would crash at those temperatures.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29975218</id>
	<title>dean.miller0171@gmail.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thanks dude for the review.<br>http://www.buyergen.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thanks dude for the review.http : //www.buyergen.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thanks dude for the review.http://www.buyergen.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964726</id>
	<title>Gives new meaning to</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257269460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, where's my car?</p><p>Dude, you're NOT getting a (working) Dell!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , where 's my car ? Dude , you 're NOT getting a ( working ) Dell !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, where's my car?Dude, you're NOT getting a (working) Dell!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964988</id>
	<title>Bling Bling</title>
	<author>bl8n8r</author>
	<datestamp>1257270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So much for the "DoD's MIL-STD 810F heat, dust and vibration requirements"*<br>It looks cool as shit, but that's about it. I guess the only requirement to meet DoD specs is testosterone appeal.</p><p>[*] -<br><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/09/super-rugged-latitude-e6400-xfr-is-tougher-than-you/" title="engadget.com">http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/09/super-rugged-latitude-e6400-xfr-is-tougher-than-you/</a> [engadget.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So much for the " DoD 's MIL-STD 810F heat , dust and vibration requirements " * It looks cool as shit , but that 's about it .
I guess the only requirement to meet DoD specs is testosterone appeal .
[ * ] -http : //www.engadget.com/2009/03/09/super-rugged-latitude-e6400-xfr-is-tougher-than-you/ [ engadget.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much for the "DoD's MIL-STD 810F heat, dust and vibration requirements"*It looks cool as shit, but that's about it.
I guess the only requirement to meet DoD specs is testosterone appeal.
[*] -http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/09/super-rugged-latitude-e6400-xfr-is-tougher-than-you/ [engadget.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29972590</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1257261840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"1. Leave a valuable possession on the ground<br>2. Promptly forget about it<br>3. And then drive over it with their car<br>4. ?<br>5. Profit "</p><p>Some people use valuable gear in fast-paced, hectic environments where getting the mission done is much more important than worrying about beating the shit out of their gear, test equipment, and computers. That's why industrial and military equipment is different from consumer shit. Just the normal bouncing and weather exposure given Air Force notebooks on the flightline would make short work of most laptops. The extra margin of Toughness matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 1 .
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2 .
Promptly forget about it3 .
And then drive over it with their car4 .
? 5. Profit " Some people use valuable gear in fast-paced , hectic environments where getting the mission done is much more important than worrying about beating the shit out of their gear , test equipment , and computers .
That 's why industrial and military equipment is different from consumer shit .
Just the normal bouncing and weather exposure given Air Force notebooks on the flightline would make short work of most laptops .
The extra margin of Toughness matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"1.
Leave a valuable possession on the ground2.
Promptly forget about it3.
And then drive over it with their car4.
?5. Profit "Some people use valuable gear in fast-paced, hectic environments where getting the mission done is much more important than worrying about beating the shit out of their gear, test equipment, and computers.
That's why industrial and military equipment is different from consumer shit.
Just the normal bouncing and weather exposure given Air Force notebooks on the flightline would make short work of most laptops.
The extra margin of Toughness matters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964814</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965088</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>bdsesq</author>
	<datestamp>1257271080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard...</p></div><p>Some years ago my cat urinated on my Apple powerbook.  It never worked again.  There were no Apple stores then so I had to take it to CompUSA, again and again and again.<br>It was Toast!</p><p>Looks like Dell wins the pissing contest!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard...Some years ago my cat urinated on my Apple powerbook .
It never worked again .
There were no Apple stores then so I had to take it to CompUSA , again and again and again.It was Toast ! Looks like Dell wins the pissing contest !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard...Some years ago my cat urinated on my Apple powerbook.
It never worked again.
There were no Apple stores then so I had to take it to CompUSA, again and again and again.It was Toast!Looks like Dell wins the pissing contest!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964036</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965120</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1257271200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He gave an upper range for heat, of 150 degrees.... Now, you could apply logic, and realize that it would still be meaningless for this to be 150 Kelvins (as that's lower than -40'F/-40'C), and that it would be in the range that would be lethal to a human being if it were Celcius, but the pedant will still say that he didn't actually clarify which unit of measurement he was using.</p><p>You and I, however, probably rightly assumed that he was using Fahrenheit, but you just know that somebody's going to complain about it, even if it's obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He gave an upper range for heat , of 150 degrees.... Now , you could apply logic , and realize that it would still be meaningless for this to be 150 Kelvins ( as that 's lower than -40'F/-40'C ) , and that it would be in the range that would be lethal to a human being if it were Celcius , but the pedant will still say that he did n't actually clarify which unit of measurement he was using.You and I , however , probably rightly assumed that he was using Fahrenheit , but you just know that somebody 's going to complain about it , even if it 's obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He gave an upper range for heat, of 150 degrees.... Now, you could apply logic, and realize that it would still be meaningless for this to be 150 Kelvins (as that's lower than -40'F/-40'C), and that it would be in the range that would be lethal to a human being if it were Celcius, but the pedant will still say that he didn't actually clarify which unit of measurement he was using.You and I, however, probably rightly assumed that he was using Fahrenheit, but you just know that somebody's going to complain about it, even if it's obvious.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964976</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964884</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257270120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Lats aren't at all bad, but for home/office/general light travel only. I wouldn't think of dragging mine up a mountain or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Lats are n't at all bad , but for home/office/general light travel only .
I would n't think of dragging mine up a mountain or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Lats aren't at all bad, but for home/office/general light travel only.
I wouldn't think of dragging mine up a mountain or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964036</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965256</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>marcobat</author>
	<datestamp>1257271740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I clicked on "parent" to reply to this post but it didn't do what i expected!?
I wanted to add "Do you work on an oil rig, war zone or the middle of the amazon" or are you a parent?
Anybody with small children around the house needs a rugged laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I clicked on " parent " to reply to this post but it did n't do what i expected ! ?
I wanted to add " Do you work on an oil rig , war zone or the middle of the amazon " or are you a parent ?
Anybody with small children around the house needs a rugged laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I clicked on "parent" to reply to this post but it didn't do what i expected!?
I wanted to add "Do you work on an oil rig, war zone or the middle of the amazon" or are you a parent?
Anybody with small children around the house needs a rugged laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964484</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964976</id>
	<title>Re:In my case, temperature tolerance...</title>
	<author>quisxt</author>
	<datestamp>1257270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>-40 Celsius = -40 Farenheit.  -40 Kelvin is meaningless.  Seems to me like the op gave you all the information you needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>-40 Celsius = -40 Farenheit .
-40 Kelvin is meaningless .
Seems to me like the op gave you all the information you needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-40 Celsius = -40 Farenheit.
-40 Kelvin is meaningless.
Seems to me like the op gave you all the information you needed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964882</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29967654</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257240420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they're mounted in cars, they have to deal with heat extremes that a normal laptop probably can't handle (at least not long term).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they 're mounted in cars , they have to deal with heat extremes that a normal laptop probably ca n't handle ( at least not long term ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they're mounted in cars, they have to deal with heat extremes that a normal laptop probably can't handle (at least not long term).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964310</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966846</id>
	<title>Re:General Dynamics</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1257279540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shame there's no mod option for (-5, Stupid Ignoramus)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shame there 's no mod option for ( -5 , Stupid Ignoramus )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shame there's no mod option for (-5, Stupid Ignoramus)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964982</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965278</id>
	<title>Toughbooks are resistant to all, but one...</title>
	<author>TheHawke</author>
	<datestamp>1257271860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The five-finger discounter.  One operation bought two of the $3,000 beasts and one walked. They got another and it walked too! The last one they got I got them a cable lock and LoJack service. I slapped LoJack stickers all over both of them. That put the kibosh on the thefts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The five-finger discounter .
One operation bought two of the $ 3,000 beasts and one walked .
They got another and it walked too !
The last one they got I got them a cable lock and LoJack service .
I slapped LoJack stickers all over both of them .
That put the kibosh on the thefts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The five-finger discounter.
One operation bought two of the $3,000 beasts and one walked.
They got another and it walked too!
The last one they got I got them a cable lock and LoJack service.
I slapped LoJack stickers all over both of them.
That put the kibosh on the thefts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964182</id>
	<title>Did the submitter even RTFA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Er, what?  This Slashdot summary does not jive with the article at all.  The laptop was perfectly functional after all of their tests.  The only problems they had were a minor cosmetic issue of the adhesive coming off around the trackpad (which they just called "fit and finish") and that some of the doors might pop open during drops since they weren't double locked.  Their conclusion was that it was indeed quite rugged.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er , what ?
This Slashdot summary does not jive with the article at all .
The laptop was perfectly functional after all of their tests .
The only problems they had were a minor cosmetic issue of the adhesive coming off around the trackpad ( which they just called " fit and finish " ) and that some of the doors might pop open during drops since they were n't double locked .
Their conclusion was that it was indeed quite rugged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er, what?
This Slashdot summary does not jive with the article at all.
The laptop was perfectly functional after all of their tests.
The only problems they had were a minor cosmetic issue of the adhesive coming off around the trackpad (which they just called "fit and finish") and that some of the doors might pop open during drops since they weren't double locked.
Their conclusion was that it was indeed quite rugged.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29972070</id>
	<title>Depends on what one's normal day is.</title>
	<author>lilyleftthevalley</author>
	<datestamp>1257258180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is pure ignorance on my part... under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p></div><p>I remember one summer when I was working in Boston and saw a fella riding his bike down one of the cobbled streets with his laptop, sans cover or bag, strapped to the rear bike rack with a single bungie cord.  At the time, I saw a lot of folks with laptops strapped to bikes, just not usually this poorly protected.</p><p>After one particularly hard bounce, his laptop shot out of its bungie and flew a short distance before falling to the street.  By the time he stopped his bike to retrieve it, it was already too late--he turned around just in time to watch a truck run it over.</p><p>All I can remember thinking at the time was two things: </p><p>1) How I couldn't wait to get back from lunch to tell everyone my first personally observed laptop horror story (I worked in MIS at the time, and we saw all sorts of sorry states of stinkpads, always accompanied by the most amazing stories.)</p><p>2) One bungie cord--that's the best he could do?</p><p>As has been said, certain folks seem accident prone, and some just plain dumb.  I don't know if this guy learned his lesson or not for his replacement, but I can easily see how someone who rides their bike with their laptop attached would benefit from the extra insurance a more durable laptop can give.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is pure ignorance on my part... under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? I remember one summer when I was working in Boston and saw a fella riding his bike down one of the cobbled streets with his laptop , sans cover or bag , strapped to the rear bike rack with a single bungie cord .
At the time , I saw a lot of folks with laptops strapped to bikes , just not usually this poorly protected.After one particularly hard bounce , his laptop shot out of its bungie and flew a short distance before falling to the street .
By the time he stopped his bike to retrieve it , it was already too late--he turned around just in time to watch a truck run it over.All I can remember thinking at the time was two things : 1 ) How I could n't wait to get back from lunch to tell everyone my first personally observed laptop horror story ( I worked in MIS at the time , and we saw all sorts of sorry states of stinkpads , always accompanied by the most amazing stories .
) 2 ) One bungie cord--that 's the best he could do ? As has been said , certain folks seem accident prone , and some just plain dumb .
I do n't know if this guy learned his lesson or not for his replacement , but I can easily see how someone who rides their bike with their laptop attached would benefit from the extra insurance a more durable laptop can give .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pure ignorance on my part... under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?I remember one summer when I was working in Boston and saw a fella riding his bike down one of the cobbled streets with his laptop, sans cover or bag, strapped to the rear bike rack with a single bungie cord.
At the time, I saw a lot of folks with laptops strapped to bikes, just not usually this poorly protected.After one particularly hard bounce, his laptop shot out of its bungie and flew a short distance before falling to the street.
By the time he stopped his bike to retrieve it, it was already too late--he turned around just in time to watch a truck run it over.All I can remember thinking at the time was two things: 1) How I couldn't wait to get back from lunch to tell everyone my first personally observed laptop horror story (I worked in MIS at the time, and we saw all sorts of sorry states of stinkpads, always accompanied by the most amazing stories.
)2) One bungie cord--that's the best he could do?As has been said, certain folks seem accident prone, and some just plain dumb.
I don't know if this guy learned his lesson or not for his replacement, but I can easily see how someone who rides their bike with their laptop attached would benefit from the extra insurance a more durable laptop can give.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964850</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1257270000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the firefighter might be using the thing with dirty, greasy hands.  Just hose it off when it gets too dirty.  It could also get smacked around a bit when someone wearing heavy gear is a bit clumsy getting into the truck.</p><p>The cop probably doesn't actually need one, but then I've never actually seen a police car with a toughbook in it, so maybe the ones you saw are just there because the emergency services provider ordered a bunch for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the firefighter might be using the thing with dirty , greasy hands .
Just hose it off when it gets too dirty .
It could also get smacked around a bit when someone wearing heavy gear is a bit clumsy getting into the truck.The cop probably does n't actually need one , but then I 've never actually seen a police car with a toughbook in it , so maybe the ones you saw are just there because the emergency services provider ordered a bunch for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the firefighter might be using the thing with dirty, greasy hands.
Just hose it off when it gets too dirty.
It could also get smacked around a bit when someone wearing heavy gear is a bit clumsy getting into the truck.The cop probably doesn't actually need one, but then I've never actually seen a police car with a toughbook in it, so maybe the ones you saw are just there because the emergency services provider ordered a bunch for everyone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29975146</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>bvankuik</author>
	<datestamp>1256981160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Dell Latitude [...], and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.</p> </div><p>It wasn't your cat's age that made him urinate on your laptop.</p><p>It was Caturday. <i>Anything</i> goes on Caturday.</p><p>That, and it was a Dell of course.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dell Latitude [ ... ] , and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard .
It was n't your cat 's age that made him urinate on your laptop.It was Caturday .
Anything goes on Caturday.That , and it was a Dell of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dell Latitude [...], and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.
It wasn't your cat's age that made him urinate on your laptop.It was Caturday.
Anything goes on Caturday.That, and it was a Dell of course.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965372</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1257272220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, Panasonic has an accidental damage replacement plan.  You just have to buy it.  Pretty much all the manufacturers have such a plan if you're willing to pay for it.  So your point is pretty much moot.</p><p>Second, a Toughbook isn't really purchased because it will stand up to occasional catastrophic damage.  It is purchased because it will stand up to the everyday wear and tear that would eat other laptops alive.</p><p>Toughbooks are designed to work in extreme heat and cold, in dirty, dusty, wet environments.  They work in places that other laptops would simply choke and die.</p><p>Sure, you could buy a Dell with an accidental damage plan...  And then it would die after a week of use.  Of you could buy a Toughbook with an accidental damage plan...  And have it keep working for a couple years until someone accidentally destroys it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , Panasonic has an accidental damage replacement plan .
You just have to buy it .
Pretty much all the manufacturers have such a plan if you 're willing to pay for it .
So your point is pretty much moot.Second , a Toughbook is n't really purchased because it will stand up to occasional catastrophic damage .
It is purchased because it will stand up to the everyday wear and tear that would eat other laptops alive.Toughbooks are designed to work in extreme heat and cold , in dirty , dusty , wet environments .
They work in places that other laptops would simply choke and die.Sure , you could buy a Dell with an accidental damage plan... And then it would die after a week of use .
Of you could buy a Toughbook with an accidental damage plan... And have it keep working for a couple years until someone accidentally destroys it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, Panasonic has an accidental damage replacement plan.
You just have to buy it.
Pretty much all the manufacturers have such a plan if you're willing to pay for it.
So your point is pretty much moot.Second, a Toughbook isn't really purchased because it will stand up to occasional catastrophic damage.
It is purchased because it will stand up to the everyday wear and tear that would eat other laptops alive.Toughbooks are designed to work in extreme heat and cold, in dirty, dusty, wet environments.
They work in places that other laptops would simply choke and die.Sure, you could buy a Dell with an accidental damage plan...  And then it would die after a week of use.
Of you could buy a Toughbook with an accidental damage plan...  And have it keep working for a couple years until someone accidentally destroys it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965020</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>jtorkbob</author>
	<datestamp>1257270780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think about how police officers work. They are in and out of their vehicles in all kinds of weather. They might be doing a traffic stop or such and return to the vehicle wet from rain, and need to use the laptop. Think of fire fighters, who routinely get wet and dirty while responding to routine accidents and small fires. The insides of emergency vehicles need constant cleaning; if they didn't use a ruggedized computer the inside of the laptops would too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think about how police officers work .
They are in and out of their vehicles in all kinds of weather .
They might be doing a traffic stop or such and return to the vehicle wet from rain , and need to use the laptop .
Think of fire fighters , who routinely get wet and dirty while responding to routine accidents and small fires .
The insides of emergency vehicles need constant cleaning ; if they did n't use a ruggedized computer the inside of the laptops would too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think about how police officers work.
They are in and out of their vehicles in all kinds of weather.
They might be doing a traffic stop or such and return to the vehicle wet from rain, and need to use the laptop.
Think of fire fighters, who routinely get wet and dirty while responding to routine accidents and small fires.
The insides of emergency vehicles need constant cleaning; if they didn't use a ruggedized computer the inside of the laptops would too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964476</id>
	<title>Yeah, they're useful</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1257268500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?</p></div><p>Not so much run over by a car but and decent sized IT dept will probably tell you that people abuse the hell out of laptops.  Most of them quickly accumulate a veritable junkyard of spare parts from laptops that have been killed through various acts of neglect, malfeasance and random accidents.  I've personally seen laptops get destroyed in countless ways.  It's a fairly safe bet that a field service technician or traveling consultant is probably going to beat his laptop up pretty quickly. I've had a few clients myself where I wished I had something a little more rugged.  We had one guy who killed 3 laptops in the space of a month through various acts of stupidity.</p><p>I don't know that I'd get a toughened notebook for someone irresponsible.  Sometimes firing the guilty party is sometimes cheaper.  But I've seen plenty of cases where a toughened laptop is a good idea.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need , or they would n't make them , but I really do n't know what that need is ; especially , under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day ? Not so much run over by a car but and decent sized IT dept will probably tell you that people abuse the hell out of laptops .
Most of them quickly accumulate a veritable junkyard of spare parts from laptops that have been killed through various acts of neglect , malfeasance and random accidents .
I 've personally seen laptops get destroyed in countless ways .
It 's a fairly safe bet that a field service technician or traveling consultant is probably going to beat his laptop up pretty quickly .
I 've had a few clients myself where I wished I had something a little more rugged .
We had one guy who killed 3 laptops in the space of a month through various acts of stupidity.I do n't know that I 'd get a toughened notebook for someone irresponsible .
Sometimes firing the guilty party is sometimes cheaper .
But I 've seen plenty of cases where a toughened laptop is a good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pure ignorance on my part...I can appreciate there is very likely a need, or they wouldn't make them, but I really don't know what that need is; especially, under what circumstances would it be possible to get my laptop run over by a truck as part of a normal day?Not so much run over by a car but and decent sized IT dept will probably tell you that people abuse the hell out of laptops.
Most of them quickly accumulate a veritable junkyard of spare parts from laptops that have been killed through various acts of neglect, malfeasance and random accidents.
I've personally seen laptops get destroyed in countless ways.
It's a fairly safe bet that a field service technician or traveling consultant is probably going to beat his laptop up pretty quickly.
I've had a few clients myself where I wished I had something a little more rugged.
We had one guy who killed 3 laptops in the space of a month through various acts of stupidity.I don't know that I'd get a toughened notebook for someone irresponsible.
Sometimes firing the guilty party is sometimes cheaper.
But I've seen plenty of cases where a toughened laptop is a good idea.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964818</id>
	<title>Re:Notsotoughbooks</title>
	<author>R2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1257269880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's similar to the argument that Craftsman tools are as good as other professional lines because of the lifetime warrantee.  Yeah, you won't lose money replacing the tool, but you WILL lose money on the time it takes to replace a broken tool, or having to do without.</p><p>Alternately, the original Chrysler 5/50 warranty - it may have been the "best warranty in the business", but they were still total pieces of crap.  And the knowledge that the fix may be free isn't very comforting at 2:00 AM on the side of teh road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's similar to the argument that Craftsman tools are as good as other professional lines because of the lifetime warrantee .
Yeah , you wo n't lose money replacing the tool , but you WILL lose money on the time it takes to replace a broken tool , or having to do without.Alternately , the original Chrysler 5/50 warranty - it may have been the " best warranty in the business " , but they were still total pieces of crap .
And the knowledge that the fix may be free is n't very comforting at 2 : 00 AM on the side of teh road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's similar to the argument that Craftsman tools are as good as other professional lines because of the lifetime warrantee.
Yeah, you won't lose money replacing the tool, but you WILL lose money on the time it takes to replace a broken tool, or having to do without.Alternately, the original Chrysler 5/50 warranty - it may have been the "best warranty in the business", but they were still total pieces of crap.
And the knowledge that the fix may be free isn't very comforting at 2:00 AM on the side of teh road.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964618</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1257269100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, the Compaq might have been alive but Compaq didn't warranty that it would. It could have died the first time it fell to the ground (as have many Dell and HP laptops I have seen). The Toughbook-series is made so that you COULD drop it and it will still go on and the manufacturer will either replace it or repair it if damage occurs to it. As in a fire truck or police car, the machine is usually protected by the car but it should withstand the door being left open in a winter storm, somebody using it that is dripping wet (due to rain or while extinguishing a fire) or if it stands a long time in the sun or near a burning building or if the car experiences repeated bumps. As for a car analogy: a standard Chevy Impala would withstand most of what cops put it through while being three times cheaper than their remodeled counterparts however, it's those once-in-a-while chases at 100mph and PIT maneuvers that the car has to survive although most cop cars (especially those in the non-urban areas) will never need to do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , the Compaq might have been alive but Compaq did n't warranty that it would .
It could have died the first time it fell to the ground ( as have many Dell and HP laptops I have seen ) .
The Toughbook-series is made so that you COULD drop it and it will still go on and the manufacturer will either replace it or repair it if damage occurs to it .
As in a fire truck or police car , the machine is usually protected by the car but it should withstand the door being left open in a winter storm , somebody using it that is dripping wet ( due to rain or while extinguishing a fire ) or if it stands a long time in the sun or near a burning building or if the car experiences repeated bumps .
As for a car analogy : a standard Chevy Impala would withstand most of what cops put it through while being three times cheaper than their remodeled counterparts however , it 's those once-in-a-while chases at 100mph and PIT maneuvers that the car has to survive although most cop cars ( especially those in the non-urban areas ) will never need to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, the Compaq might have been alive but Compaq didn't warranty that it would.
It could have died the first time it fell to the ground (as have many Dell and HP laptops I have seen).
The Toughbook-series is made so that you COULD drop it and it will still go on and the manufacturer will either replace it or repair it if damage occurs to it.
As in a fire truck or police car, the machine is usually protected by the car but it should withstand the door being left open in a winter storm, somebody using it that is dripping wet (due to rain or while extinguishing a fire) or if it stands a long time in the sun or near a burning building or if the car experiences repeated bumps.
As for a car analogy: a standard Chevy Impala would withstand most of what cops put it through while being three times cheaper than their remodeled counterparts however, it's those once-in-a-while chases at 100mph and PIT maneuvers that the car has to survive although most cop cars (especially those in the non-urban areas) will never need to do that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29965070</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone use these?</title>
	<author>popeye44</author>
	<datestamp>1257271020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can say from experience that nothing I've used yet lasts like a Toughbook. Of course we use them in some pretty harsh environments. These are what we use to configure multiple devices on the side of the road. From sprinkler systems to signal lighting. Our Surveys group uses them for field surveying. I've got machines that have been used so badly they barely hold together yet still boot up and run.</p><p>We've yet to break a Toughbook. We generally replaced due to our normal replacement schedule or we've worn one out which is saying A LOT!</p><p>Unfortunately for us Dell is now our only approved rugged notebook vendor. I guess I'll know how they hold up soon enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can say from experience that nothing I 've used yet lasts like a Toughbook .
Of course we use them in some pretty harsh environments .
These are what we use to configure multiple devices on the side of the road .
From sprinkler systems to signal lighting .
Our Surveys group uses them for field surveying .
I 've got machines that have been used so badly they barely hold together yet still boot up and run.We 've yet to break a Toughbook .
We generally replaced due to our normal replacement schedule or we 've worn one out which is saying A LOT ! Unfortunately for us Dell is now our only approved rugged notebook vendor .
I guess I 'll know how they hold up soon enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can say from experience that nothing I've used yet lasts like a Toughbook.
Of course we use them in some pretty harsh environments.
These are what we use to configure multiple devices on the side of the road.
From sprinkler systems to signal lighting.
Our Surveys group uses them for field surveying.
I've got machines that have been used so badly they barely hold together yet still boot up and run.We've yet to break a Toughbook.
We generally replaced due to our normal replacement schedule or we've worn one out which is saying A LOT!Unfortunately for us Dell is now our only approved rugged notebook vendor.
I guess I'll know how they hold up soon enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29966192</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>jplopez</author>
	<datestamp>1257276000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.</p></div><p>Please remark this if you ever try to sell it on eBay.

I mean your Dell, not the cat, of course.</p></div>
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<tokenext>and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.Please remark this if you ever try to sell it on eBay .
I mean your Dell , not the cat , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and my aging cat urinated on the keyboard.Please remark this if you ever try to sell it on eBay.
I mean your Dell, not the cat, of course.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_03_1530258.29964194</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1257267300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Entirely context dependent. Their testing would be excessive if it were performed on an ordinary "it'd be nice if it survives the daily grind for a few years, and not feeling like cheap plastic crap is always a bonus; but no actual claims are made" laptop. Yours is one of those.<br> <br>

However, this is the special OMG-MIL-SPEC, super durable, extra rugged, no-expense-spared model. If Dell wants to sell a machine in that segment, this sort of testing is perfectly appropriate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Entirely context dependent .
Their testing would be excessive if it were performed on an ordinary " it 'd be nice if it survives the daily grind for a few years , and not feeling like cheap plastic crap is always a bonus ; but no actual claims are made " laptop .
Yours is one of those .
However , this is the special OMG-MIL-SPEC , super durable , extra rugged , no-expense-spared model .
If Dell wants to sell a machine in that segment , this sort of testing is perfectly appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Entirely context dependent.
Their testing would be excessive if it were performed on an ordinary "it'd be nice if it survives the daily grind for a few years, and not feeling like cheap plastic crap is always a bonus; but no actual claims are made" laptop.
Yours is one of those.
However, this is the special OMG-MIL-SPEC, super durable, extra rugged, no-expense-spared model.
If Dell wants to sell a machine in that segment, this sort of testing is perfectly appropriate.</sentencetext>
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