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	<title>Zombies As American Zeitgeist Proxies</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1256983740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>blackbearnh writes <i>"No doubt, there will be more than a few brain-munching glassy-eyed zombies showing up on the typical doorstep tonight, demanding brains, <em>brains</em>, <b>brains</b>, or at least some Milk Duds. But according to this essay over on Forbes.com, zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block, <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/29/oreilly-godzilla-science-technology-breakthroughs-zombies.html">they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese</a>: a personification of our fear of science and technology. 'It seems you can't throw a half-eaten cerebrum these days without hitting a posse of zombies brought to life by some kind of biological mishap (<em>28 Days Later, Resident Evil, Planet Terror, Quarantine</em>). Like Godzilla, zombies keep up with the times, always ready to mirror whatever aspect of science and technology people feel most uncertain about at the moment.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>blackbearnh writes " No doubt , there will be more than a few brain-munching glassy-eyed zombies showing up on the typical doorstep tonight , demanding brains , brains , brains , or at least some Milk Duds .
But according to this essay over on Forbes.com , zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block , they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese : a personification of our fear of science and technology .
'It seems you ca n't throw a half-eaten cerebrum these days without hitting a posse of zombies brought to life by some kind of biological mishap ( 28 Days Later , Resident Evil , Planet Terror , Quarantine ) .
Like Godzilla , zombies keep up with the times , always ready to mirror whatever aspect of science and technology people feel most uncertain about at the moment .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blackbearnh writes "No doubt, there will be more than a few brain-munching glassy-eyed zombies showing up on the typical doorstep tonight, demanding brains, brains, brains, or at least some Milk Duds.
But according to this essay over on Forbes.com, zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block, they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese: a personification of our fear of science and technology.
'It seems you can't throw a half-eaten cerebrum these days without hitting a posse of zombies brought to life by some kind of biological mishap (28 Days Later, Resident Evil, Planet Terror, Quarantine).
Like Godzilla, zombies keep up with the times, always ready to mirror whatever aspect of science and technology people feel most uncertain about at the moment.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937929</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1256993640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, vampires represent two things.</p><p>A few years ago I read an interesting book of bona fide vampire legends collected by a professional  folklorist, and he makes a convincing argument that nearly all such real legends (as opposed to literary creations) are associated with events consistent with and strongly suggesting tuberculosis outbreaks.  It fits: the increasing pallor and weakness, the slow decline of one, then another family member.  In rural populations a single family member might bring the disease back, dooming the entire family, but their neighbors would be hardly exposed at all, giving an effect much like a curse on a single family.</p><p>So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.</p><p>A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life. He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.</p><p>So the second thing vampires represent might well be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... fear of vampires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , vampires represent two things.A few years ago I read an interesting book of bona fide vampire legends collected by a professional folklorist , and he makes a convincing argument that nearly all such real legends ( as opposed to literary creations ) are associated with events consistent with and strongly suggesting tuberculosis outbreaks .
It fits : the increasing pallor and weakness , the slow decline of one , then another family member .
In rural populations a single family member might bring the disease back , dooming the entire family , but their neighbors would be hardly exposed at all , giving an effect much like a curse on a single family.So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life .
He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.So the second thing vampires represent might well be ... fear of vampires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, vampires represent two things.A few years ago I read an interesting book of bona fide vampire legends collected by a professional  folklorist, and he makes a convincing argument that nearly all such real legends (as opposed to literary creations) are associated with events consistent with and strongly suggesting tuberculosis outbreaks.
It fits: the increasing pallor and weakness, the slow decline of one, then another family member.
In rural populations a single family member might bring the disease back, dooming the entire family, but their neighbors would be hardly exposed at all, giving an effect much like a curse on a single family.So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life.
He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.So the second thing vampires represent might well be ... fear of vampires.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29942416</id>
	<title>The unreasoning evil</title>
	<author>Scared Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1257098700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>The thing I always find scary about zombies is that they can't be reasoned with, there's nothing to connect with.  If you look at many of the other horror movie/story staples, there's often something that can be connected to.  Frankenstein's monster had some humanity left that could be connected to, the same with vampires, and even serial killers, but the zombie is unable to communicate, and can't be connected to.  (unless you're talking about one of those weird zombie movies where they can, like one I watched part of on AMC the other day, I want to say return of the living dead or something, about some kids in a mortuary).

At the same time, I find the older style zombie stories about the witch doctors less scary for this exact same reason.  Perhaps the witch doctor can be reasoned with, or in some cases even the zombie itself.  It's for this reason that I didn't really find the serpent and the rainbow <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096071/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096071/</a> [imdb.com] a scary movie at all.  At the same time, I did find it an interesting and good movie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing I always find scary about zombies is that they ca n't be reasoned with , there 's nothing to connect with .
If you look at many of the other horror movie/story staples , there 's often something that can be connected to .
Frankenstein 's monster had some humanity left that could be connected to , the same with vampires , and even serial killers , but the zombie is unable to communicate , and ca n't be connected to .
( unless you 're talking about one of those weird zombie movies where they can , like one I watched part of on AMC the other day , I want to say return of the living dead or something , about some kids in a mortuary ) .
At the same time , I find the older style zombie stories about the witch doctors less scary for this exact same reason .
Perhaps the witch doctor can be reasoned with , or in some cases even the zombie itself .
It 's for this reason that I did n't really find the serpent and the rainbow http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt0096071/ [ imdb.com ] a scary movie at all .
At the same time , I did find it an interesting and good movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing I always find scary about zombies is that they can't be reasoned with, there's nothing to connect with.
If you look at many of the other horror movie/story staples, there's often something that can be connected to.
Frankenstein's monster had some humanity left that could be connected to, the same with vampires, and even serial killers, but the zombie is unable to communicate, and can't be connected to.
(unless you're talking about one of those weird zombie movies where they can, like one I watched part of on AMC the other day, I want to say return of the living dead or something, about some kids in a mortuary).
At the same time, I find the older style zombie stories about the witch doctors less scary for this exact same reason.
Perhaps the witch doctor can be reasoned with, or in some cases even the zombie itself.
It's for this reason that I didn't really find the serpent and the rainbow http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096071/ [imdb.com] a scary movie at all.
At the same time, I did find it an interesting and good movie.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938061</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://firefoxhtml5test.webs.com/" title="webs.com" rel="nofollow">FUCK FIREFOX!</a> [webs.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>FUCK FIREFOX !
[ webs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FUCK FIREFOX!
[webs.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937525</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science...</title>
	<author>AliasMarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1256988720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.</p></div><p>Almost all Americans are willing to embrace technology, but few really embrace science. In fact, a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science (especially the biological sciences). The majority seems content to retain an ignorance of science in general, or perhaps fear that they are incapable of understanding it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems a bit of a stretch , since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Almost all Americans are willing to embrace technology , but few really embrace science .
In fact , a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science ( especially the biological sciences ) .
The majority seems content to retain an ignorance of science in general , or perhaps fear that they are incapable of understanding it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Almost all Americans are willing to embrace technology, but few really embrace science.
In fact, a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science (especially the biological sciences).
The majority seems content to retain an ignorance of science in general, or perhaps fear that they are incapable of understanding it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937475</id>
	<title>Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of all the examples he could have chosen, he chose zombies? In most films, if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film, it's usual mystical or related to disease or something (as the writer cedes). But the writer had better examples he could have chosen. Like the "evil computer" - e.g. Hal 9000 from <i>2001</i>, or Skynet from the <i>Terminator</i> films.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of all the examples he could have chosen , he chose zombies ?
In most films , if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film , it 's usual mystical or related to disease or something ( as the writer cedes ) .
But the writer had better examples he could have chosen .
Like the " evil computer " - e.g .
Hal 9000 from 2001 , or Skynet from the Terminator films .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of all the examples he could have chosen, he chose zombies?
In most films, if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film, it's usual mystical or related to disease or something (as the writer cedes).
But the writer had better examples he could have chosen.
Like the "evil computer" - e.g.
Hal 9000 from 2001, or Skynet from the Terminator films.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939863</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>bar-agent</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.</i></p><p>Zombies are much, much better at representing infectious disease in the modern imagination. The only diseases we really fear are widespread outbreaks, that reach those close to us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.Zombies are much , much better at representing infectious disease in the modern imagination .
The only diseases we really fear are widespread outbreaks , that reach those close to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So vampires represent infectious disease in the true folk imagination.Zombies are much, much better at representing infectious disease in the modern imagination.
The only diseases we really fear are widespread outbreaks, that reach those close to us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940225</id>
	<title>Re:A real zombie plague is coming</title>
	<author>Flentil</author>
	<datestamp>1257067380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I said about the link between cell phones and Star Trek is pretty well common knowledge for the past decade.  That you are arguing so much to the contrary is pretty silly.  Why don't you google it if you won't take my word for it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I said about the link between cell phones and Star Trek is pretty well common knowledge for the past decade .
That you are arguing so much to the contrary is pretty silly .
Why do n't you google it if you wo n't take my word for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I said about the link between cell phones and Star Trek is pretty well common knowledge for the past decade.
That you are arguing so much to the contrary is pretty silly.
Why don't you google it if you won't take my word for it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938617</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Zombies represented a fear of Worcestershire sauce.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Zombies represented a fear of Worcestershire sauce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Zombies represented a fear of Worcestershire sauce.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937999</id>
	<title>Re:umm....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism? Does that mean the film Twister is meant to convey a disdain for corn and farming? I think you're seeing what you want to see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism ?
Does that mean the film Twister is meant to convey a disdain for corn and farming ?
I think you 're seeing what you want to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism?
Does that mean the film Twister is meant to convey a disdain for corn and farming?
I think you're seeing what you want to see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937731</id>
	<title>Re:Not necessarily of US origin..</title>
	<author>Ron\_Fitzgerald</author>
	<datestamp>1256990820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>To be fair, Resident Evil 'game' was out in 1996. It is not as if it is a bandwagon effort. The first RE movie came out around the time the 6th or 7th game was released.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident\_Evil\_(video\_game)" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident\_Evil\_(video\_game)</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , Resident Evil 'game ' was out in 1996 .
It is not as if it is a bandwagon effort .
The first RE movie came out around the time the 6th or 7th game was released .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident \ _Evil \ _ ( video \ _game ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, Resident Evil 'game' was out in 1996.
It is not as if it is a bandwagon effort.
The first RE movie came out around the time the 6th or 7th game was released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident\_Evil\_(video\_game) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937975</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Artifakt</author>
	<datestamp>1256994180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been some interesting major shifts in what gets made into horror movies, (and books, radio, or TV horror)</p><p>For one, for about 20 years just before the stage production of Dracula took off, Mummies were really big, with dozens of stories in horror magazines and such each year. Vampires were practically unknown. A lot of things Stoker originated just sort of collectively jumped into people's minds after that - Vampires took on distinctive fictional features such as not crossing running water, or turning into mists or bats, for the first time. Within a decade, just about anyone you polled had heard of them, and most thought that Stoker's additions to the legends were centuries old parts of the original legends instead.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Zombies did something similar. There were a few films with voodoo style zombies, animated by a Hougan (usually called a witch doctor). There were lots of references to New orleans style Voodoo (Fewer to Haiti or African roots of vodou), and a whole lot of superficial references to Vodou beliefs and practices. If one of those zombies killed somebody, it probably slowly shambled over to the victim as a witch doctor directed it, and crushed or strangled the victim. Night of the Living Dead rebuilt the zombie, giving them an appetite, which soon became focused on brains. Now, I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people, most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection, but most of those think it's something from original myths and legends, not George Romero.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Alien Invaders and Atomic Mutants caught on in the 50's, but there was a more general common trend, to horror that didn't involve the supernatural. Hundreds of thousands of people who had never heard of or read H. P. Lovecraft seem to have found themselves agreeing with his arguments from 20 years before about horror without religious overtones.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; When people suddenly shift positions to a new focus, in vast numbers, and they don't know where the new idea comes from and instead talk as though the idea has always been around, that's why psychologists think there are deeper meanings. A huge shift in what is sometimes called the zeitgist happens, AND many people in the middle of the shift claim things haven't changed, attribute new ideas to fictitious or ancient sources, and often, deny vehemently that they themselves have changed their opinions in the slightest. A hundred million adult people read a series of books about a boy wizard written for young readers, when five years before they would have had no interest in such things and the idea of such a series making the author the richest author ever would have sounded totally absurd to them.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If there's no deeper meaning behind such shifts, maybe there's also no 'deeper meaning' behind election landslides, stock market crashes, or political witch hunt movements either. Maybe such things just happen, with no underlying causes. That, if you really follow the train of thought to its logical end, is scarier than real zombies.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been some interesting major shifts in what gets made into horror movies , ( and books , radio , or TV horror ) For one , for about 20 years just before the stage production of Dracula took off , Mummies were really big , with dozens of stories in horror magazines and such each year .
Vampires were practically unknown .
A lot of things Stoker originated just sort of collectively jumped into people 's minds after that - Vampires took on distinctive fictional features such as not crossing running water , or turning into mists or bats , for the first time .
Within a decade , just about anyone you polled had heard of them , and most thought that Stoker 's additions to the legends were centuries old parts of the original legends instead .
      Zombies did something similar .
There were a few films with voodoo style zombies , animated by a Hougan ( usually called a witch doctor ) .
There were lots of references to New orleans style Voodoo ( Fewer to Haiti or African roots of vodou ) , and a whole lot of superficial references to Vodou beliefs and practices .
If one of those zombies killed somebody , it probably slowly shambled over to the victim as a witch doctor directed it , and crushed or strangled the victim .
Night of the Living Dead rebuilt the zombie , giving them an appetite , which soon became focused on brains .
Now , I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people , most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection , but most of those think it 's something from original myths and legends , not George Romero .
      Alien Invaders and Atomic Mutants caught on in the 50 's , but there was a more general common trend , to horror that did n't involve the supernatural .
Hundreds of thousands of people who had never heard of or read H. P. Lovecraft seem to have found themselves agreeing with his arguments from 20 years before about horror without religious overtones .
      When people suddenly shift positions to a new focus , in vast numbers , and they do n't know where the new idea comes from and instead talk as though the idea has always been around , that 's why psychologists think there are deeper meanings .
A huge shift in what is sometimes called the zeitgist happens , AND many people in the middle of the shift claim things have n't changed , attribute new ideas to fictitious or ancient sources , and often , deny vehemently that they themselves have changed their opinions in the slightest .
A hundred million adult people read a series of books about a boy wizard written for young readers , when five years before they would have had no interest in such things and the idea of such a series making the author the richest author ever would have sounded totally absurd to them .
      If there 's no deeper meaning behind such shifts , maybe there 's also no 'deeper meaning ' behind election landslides , stock market crashes , or political witch hunt movements either .
Maybe such things just happen , with no underlying causes .
That , if you really follow the train of thought to its logical end , is scarier than real zombies .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been some interesting major shifts in what gets made into horror movies, (and books, radio, or TV horror)For one, for about 20 years just before the stage production of Dracula took off, Mummies were really big, with dozens of stories in horror magazines and such each year.
Vampires were practically unknown.
A lot of things Stoker originated just sort of collectively jumped into people's minds after that - Vampires took on distinctive fictional features such as not crossing running water, or turning into mists or bats, for the first time.
Within a decade, just about anyone you polled had heard of them, and most thought that Stoker's additions to the legends were centuries old parts of the original legends instead.
      Zombies did something similar.
There were a few films with voodoo style zombies, animated by a Hougan (usually called a witch doctor).
There were lots of references to New orleans style Voodoo (Fewer to Haiti or African roots of vodou), and a whole lot of superficial references to Vodou beliefs and practices.
If one of those zombies killed somebody, it probably slowly shambled over to the victim as a witch doctor directed it, and crushed or strangled the victim.
Night of the Living Dead rebuilt the zombie, giving them an appetite, which soon became focused on brains.
Now, I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people, most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection, but most of those think it's something from original myths and legends, not George Romero.
      Alien Invaders and Atomic Mutants caught on in the 50's, but there was a more general common trend, to horror that didn't involve the supernatural.
Hundreds of thousands of people who had never heard of or read H. P. Lovecraft seem to have found themselves agreeing with his arguments from 20 years before about horror without religious overtones.
      When people suddenly shift positions to a new focus, in vast numbers, and they don't know where the new idea comes from and instead talk as though the idea has always been around, that's why psychologists think there are deeper meanings.
A huge shift in what is sometimes called the zeitgist happens, AND many people in the middle of the shift claim things haven't changed, attribute new ideas to fictitious or ancient sources, and often, deny vehemently that they themselves have changed their opinions in the slightest.
A hundred million adult people read a series of books about a boy wizard written for young readers, when five years before they would have had no interest in such things and the idea of such a series making the author the richest author ever would have sounded totally absurd to them.
      If there's no deeper meaning behind such shifts, maybe there's also no 'deeper meaning' behind election landslides, stock market crashes, or political witch hunt movements either.
Maybe such things just happen, with no underlying causes.
That, if you really follow the train of thought to its logical end, is scarier than real zombies.
 </sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1256993100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they don't understand</p> </div><p>Defined sensitized.</p><p>We jump in cars and elevators without a thought, we yak on cell phones and play on computers, we plug things into electrical outlets without a care, buy game consoles, and generally adopt new technology readily, be they gadgets, GPSs, phones, emission controls, electric vehicles or solar power.</p><p>Sensitization to risks, to the extent it exists, is not driven by Joe User, but rather by the fear mongering groups opposed to something and their press lapdogs.</p><p>30 years of Nuclear fears generated by hype from green movement groups is now seen by those same groups as having been a huge tactical mistake.  But it will take 20 years to undo the fear, with the coal plants running full tilt in the meantime.</p><p>Americans have great faith in Science, largely justified.</p><p>But, beginning in the 60s this believe has been progressively poisoned by years of attempts to ban/reduce everything from peanuts to salt to coffee to aspirin to sugar, potatoes, wheat, and rock and roll.  The stories of lake Eire being permanently a dead lake, of imminent death due to any number natural disasters largely foisted by pseudo-scientists with a political ax to grind has taken its toll.  Always the FUD before the FACTS, the Fear before the Data, the Restrictions before the Research.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they do n't understand Defined sensitized.We jump in cars and elevators without a thought , we yak on cell phones and play on computers , we plug things into electrical outlets without a care , buy game consoles , and generally adopt new technology readily , be they gadgets , GPSs , phones , emission controls , electric vehicles or solar power.Sensitization to risks , to the extent it exists , is not driven by Joe User , but rather by the fear mongering groups opposed to something and their press lapdogs.30 years of Nuclear fears generated by hype from green movement groups is now seen by those same groups as having been a huge tactical mistake .
But it will take 20 years to undo the fear , with the coal plants running full tilt in the meantime.Americans have great faith in Science , largely justified.But , beginning in the 60s this believe has been progressively poisoned by years of attempts to ban/reduce everything from peanuts to salt to coffee to aspirin to sugar , potatoes , wheat , and rock and roll .
The stories of lake Eire being permanently a dead lake , of imminent death due to any number natural disasters largely foisted by pseudo-scientists with a political ax to grind has taken its toll .
Always the FUD before the FACTS , the Fear before the Data , the Restrictions before the Research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they don't understand Defined sensitized.We jump in cars and elevators without a thought, we yak on cell phones and play on computers, we plug things into electrical outlets without a care, buy game consoles, and generally adopt new technology readily, be they gadgets, GPSs, phones, emission controls, electric vehicles or solar power.Sensitization to risks, to the extent it exists, is not driven by Joe User, but rather by the fear mongering groups opposed to something and their press lapdogs.30 years of Nuclear fears generated by hype from green movement groups is now seen by those same groups as having been a huge tactical mistake.
But it will take 20 years to undo the fear, with the coal plants running full tilt in the meantime.Americans have great faith in Science, largely justified.But, beginning in the 60s this believe has been progressively poisoned by years of attempts to ban/reduce everything from peanuts to salt to coffee to aspirin to sugar, potatoes, wheat, and rock and roll.
The stories of lake Eire being permanently a dead lake, of imminent death due to any number natural disasters largely foisted by pseudo-scientists with a political ax to grind has taken its toll.
Always the FUD before the FACTS, the Fear before the Data, the Restrictions before the Research.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938093</id>
	<title>No no no...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies are not about the fear of science.  They are about isolated individuals or small terrified groups struggling to survive in a world that will eat them alive the instant they drop their guard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies are not about the fear of science .
They are about isolated individuals or small terrified groups struggling to survive in a world that will eat them alive the instant they drop their guard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies are not about the fear of science.
They are about isolated individuals or small terrified groups struggling to survive in a world that will eat them alive the instant they drop their guard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938309</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science (especially the biological sciences).</p></div></blockquote><p>

Yeah, we seem to abhor GM foods, anything having to do with medicine, or any of the DNA hokum on CSI.</p></div>
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<tokenext>a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science ( especially the biological sciences ) .
Yeah , we seem to abhor GM foods , anything having to do with medicine , or any of the DNA hokum on CSI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> a large number are overtly hostile to some branches of science (especially the biological sciences).
Yeah, we seem to abhor GM foods, anything having to do with medicine, or any of the DNA hokum on CSI.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937411</id>
	<title>Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For your next trick, can I get an article about how movie vampires represent world-wide fear of religion?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For your next trick , can I get an article about how movie vampires represent world-wide fear of religion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For your next trick, can I get an article about how movie vampires represent world-wide fear of religion?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937605</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1256989620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess, but most people on Slashdot don't really care either way. We'd rather have a massive breakthrough than play it safe. I know I'm conflicted.</p><p>I know it's not the best coding practice, but I usually just set thisAlgorithmBecomingSkynetCost to Random(); because I don't really care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess , but most people on Slashdot do n't really care either way .
We 'd rather have a massive breakthrough than play it safe .
I know I 'm conflicted.I know it 's not the best coding practice , but I usually just set thisAlgorithmBecomingSkynetCost to Random ( ) ; because I do n't really care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess, but most people on Slashdot don't really care either way.
We'd rather have a massive breakthrough than play it safe.
I know I'm conflicted.I know it's not the best coding practice, but I usually just set thisAlgorithmBecomingSkynetCost to Random(); because I don't really care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938859</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>madpansy</author>
	<datestamp>1257003540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life. He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.</p></div><p>Or they could just be weary of grave robbers.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life .
He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.Or they could just be weary of grave robbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A long time ago I read an account by a psychologist who believed that people have a latent fear that the dead will return to life.
He convinced a local funeral parlor owner to offer locks on caskets as an option and they sold extremely well.Or they could just be weary of grave robbers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937687</id>
	<title>Re:Not necessarily of US origin..</title>
	<author>spymagician</author>
	<datestamp>1256990340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director (in the UK), and by a UK company (FilmFour)....</p></div><p>Resident Evil (film) was based loosely on the Capcom (Japanese) videogame series Biohazard (Resident Evil in the US). The original games were intentional homages to classic zombie and "science-gone-awry" films and stories, although the latest installments have moved away from that somewhat.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director ( in the UK ) , and by a UK company ( FilmFour ) ....Resident Evil ( film ) was based loosely on the Capcom ( Japanese ) videogame series Biohazard ( Resident Evil in the US ) .
The original games were intentional homages to classic zombie and " science-gone-awry " films and stories , although the latest installments have moved away from that somewhat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director (in the UK), and by a UK company (FilmFour)....Resident Evil (film) was based loosely on the Capcom (Japanese) videogame series Biohazard (Resident Evil in the US).
The original games were intentional homages to classic zombie and "science-gone-awry" films and stories, although the latest installments have moved away from that somewhat.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29945418</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Fluffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1257078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The zombies represent conformist society, the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers. Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one, and whenever they encounter an individual, they try to convince him to conform. Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling, conformist zombie.</p></div><p>That's actually a rather interesting take and look on the topic. Having just recently watched Zombie Nation (rather funny and cheesy and quite cute film really) it's an interesting take on it.<br> <br>

For me there have always been two types of zombies. One, the slow shambling type that seems either interested in eating you or doing the brains thing. This sort of zombie is normally associated with comedy (Shaun of the Dead for example) where the zombies seem to be rather <b>un</b>dangerous unless they are in huge numbers. These movies have very little fear factor for me however.<br> <br>

Secondly, there is the fast, agile killer zombie type. These seem to be less focused with comedy, but much more in horror and suspense films (Dawn of the Dead, I am Legend etc). This second type of zombie also seems to be much more loosely based on the undead thing, but rather is more often based on some science based coverstory. 28 Days Later is a virus, I am Legend is another virus based from a cure to disease gone awry, lastly some don't even quite define them as zombies such as Doomsday which could certainly be classified as a zombie flick to start with, though it's simply a virus.<br> <br>

For me, it's the second type of zombie here that will make for a scary movie. Given hordes of shambling zombies? I could probably survive easily enough. Given attacks of fully functioning and (apparently) pain invulnerable creatures bent on nothing but killing and eating, yikes, even in my quick thinking and reasonably fit state, I could be in deep doody.<br> <br>

Getting back to your analogy of the zombies, I would find it's often more the comedy style of zombie that makes the bigger connection to "stop being a conformist zombie consumer" rather than the second type. Shaun of the Dead had the zombies actually going back to work in check outs and collecting trolleys at the end for example.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The zombies represent conformist society , the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers .
Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one , and whenever they encounter an individual , they try to convince him to conform .
Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling , conformist zombie.That 's actually a rather interesting take and look on the topic .
Having just recently watched Zombie Nation ( rather funny and cheesy and quite cute film really ) it 's an interesting take on it .
For me there have always been two types of zombies .
One , the slow shambling type that seems either interested in eating you or doing the brains thing .
This sort of zombie is normally associated with comedy ( Shaun of the Dead for example ) where the zombies seem to be rather undangerous unless they are in huge numbers .
These movies have very little fear factor for me however .
Secondly , there is the fast , agile killer zombie type .
These seem to be less focused with comedy , but much more in horror and suspense films ( Dawn of the Dead , I am Legend etc ) .
This second type of zombie also seems to be much more loosely based on the undead thing , but rather is more often based on some science based coverstory .
28 Days Later is a virus , I am Legend is another virus based from a cure to disease gone awry , lastly some do n't even quite define them as zombies such as Doomsday which could certainly be classified as a zombie flick to start with , though it 's simply a virus .
For me , it 's the second type of zombie here that will make for a scary movie .
Given hordes of shambling zombies ?
I could probably survive easily enough .
Given attacks of fully functioning and ( apparently ) pain invulnerable creatures bent on nothing but killing and eating , yikes , even in my quick thinking and reasonably fit state , I could be in deep doody .
Getting back to your analogy of the zombies , I would find it 's often more the comedy style of zombie that makes the bigger connection to " stop being a conformist zombie consumer " rather than the second type .
Shaun of the Dead had the zombies actually going back to work in check outs and collecting trolleys at the end for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The zombies represent conformist society, the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers.
Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one, and whenever they encounter an individual, they try to convince him to conform.
Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling, conformist zombie.That's actually a rather interesting take and look on the topic.
Having just recently watched Zombie Nation (rather funny and cheesy and quite cute film really) it's an interesting take on it.
For me there have always been two types of zombies.
One, the slow shambling type that seems either interested in eating you or doing the brains thing.
This sort of zombie is normally associated with comedy (Shaun of the Dead for example) where the zombies seem to be rather undangerous unless they are in huge numbers.
These movies have very little fear factor for me however.
Secondly, there is the fast, agile killer zombie type.
These seem to be less focused with comedy, but much more in horror and suspense films (Dawn of the Dead, I am Legend etc).
This second type of zombie also seems to be much more loosely based on the undead thing, but rather is more often based on some science based coverstory.
28 Days Later is a virus, I am Legend is another virus based from a cure to disease gone awry, lastly some don't even quite define them as zombies such as Doomsday which could certainly be classified as a zombie flick to start with, though it's simply a virus.
For me, it's the second type of zombie here that will make for a scary movie.
Given hordes of shambling zombies?
I could probably survive easily enough.
Given attacks of fully functioning and (apparently) pain invulnerable creatures bent on nothing but killing and eating, yikes, even in my quick thinking and reasonably fit state, I could be in deep doody.
Getting back to your analogy of the zombies, I would find it's often more the comedy style of zombie that makes the bigger connection to "stop being a conformist zombie consumer" rather than the second type.
Shaun of the Dead had the zombies actually going back to work in check outs and collecting trolleys at the end for example.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938949</id>
	<title>Geek Zombie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kill init, kill the ghoul.</p><p>PID TTY     STAT   TIME COMMAND<br>3065 tty6     Z+     0:00<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sbin/mingetty tty6</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kill init , kill the ghoul.PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND3065 tty6 Z + 0 : 00 /sbin/mingetty tty6</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kill init, kill the ghoul.PID TTY     STAT   TIME COMMAND3065 tty6     Z+     0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937885</id>
	<title>Americans embrace zombies</title>
	<author>BearRanger</author>
	<datestamp>1256993040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heck, many if not most of them worship one.  Not to mention the unspeakable things they've done in his name...</p><p><a href="http://www.zombiejesus.com/" title="zombiejesus.com">http://www.zombiejesus.com/</a> [zombiejesus.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , many if not most of them worship one .
Not to mention the unspeakable things they 've done in his name...http : //www.zombiejesus.com/ [ zombiejesus.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck, many if not most of them worship one.
Not to mention the unspeakable things they've done in his name...http://www.zombiejesus.com/ [zombiejesus.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29944252</id>
	<title>Oh bullshit</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1257070020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies are a combination of our xenophobia and our realization that our fragile lives and civilization depend not on what we do, but on what everyone else (AKA the fucking morons who barely have the brain cells to tie their shoes) does.</p><p>And right now, we're realizing that we're in deep shit because an awful lot of idiots have failed to use their heads. Hence, our lives and civilization hang in the balance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies are a combination of our xenophobia and our realization that our fragile lives and civilization depend not on what we do , but on what everyone else ( AKA the fucking morons who barely have the brain cells to tie their shoes ) does.And right now , we 're realizing that we 're in deep shit because an awful lot of idiots have failed to use their heads .
Hence , our lives and civilization hang in the balance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies are a combination of our xenophobia and our realization that our fragile lives and civilization depend not on what we do, but on what everyone else (AKA the fucking morons who barely have the brain cells to tie their shoes) does.And right now, we're realizing that we're in deep shit because an awful lot of idiots have failed to use their heads.
Hence, our lives and civilization hang in the balance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937717</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought zombies represented Mac fanatics. The only thing missing in the movies is the white earbuds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought zombies represented Mac fanatics .
The only thing missing in the movies is the white earbuds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought zombies represented Mac fanatics.
The only thing missing in the movies is the white earbuds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938871</id>
	<title>Re:Frankenstein?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frankenstein is a scientist. Frankenstein's monster, on the other hand....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankenstein is a scientist .
Frankenstein 's monster , on the other hand... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankenstein is a scientist.
Frankenstein's monster, on the other hand....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937861</id>
	<title>But....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But is "zombieism" a pre-existing condition? My insurance company....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But is " zombieism " a pre-existing condition ?
My insurance company... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But is "zombieism" a pre-existing condition?
My insurance company....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938629</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>G-Man</author>
	<datestamp>1257000480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would argue zombies stand in for a fear of general societal breakdown, with our friends and neighbors becoming the "other". Amongst all the movie bogeymen (vampires, Frankenstein, mummies), only zombies bring with them the overall collapse of civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue zombies stand in for a fear of general societal breakdown , with our friends and neighbors becoming the " other " .
Amongst all the movie bogeymen ( vampires , Frankenstein , mummies ) , only zombies bring with them the overall collapse of civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue zombies stand in for a fear of general societal breakdown, with our friends and neighbors becoming the "other".
Amongst all the movie bogeymen (vampires, Frankenstein, mummies), only zombies bring with them the overall collapse of civilization.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938157</id>
	<title>Zombies = rebelling underclasses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256996220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Mass hordes of zombies represent the Wellsian fear of (economic or social) underclasses rebelling against their rulers. They may be slow and stupid but there are so damn many of them and they don't stop.</p><p>The assertion that zombies = fear of technology is ridiculous. First of all, bio engineering is not technology in the way that most movie audiences think of it as (big shiny, metal, like terminators) and in the classic survival horror genre technology is usually used to overcome the zombies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mass hordes of zombies represent the Wellsian fear of ( economic or social ) underclasses rebelling against their rulers .
They may be slow and stupid but there are so damn many of them and they do n't stop.The assertion that zombies = fear of technology is ridiculous .
First of all , bio engineering is not technology in the way that most movie audiences think of it as ( big shiny , metal , like terminators ) and in the classic survival horror genre technology is usually used to overcome the zombies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mass hordes of zombies represent the Wellsian fear of (economic or social) underclasses rebelling against their rulers.
They may be slow and stupid but there are so damn many of them and they don't stop.The assertion that zombies = fear of technology is ridiculous.
First of all, bio engineering is not technology in the way that most movie audiences think of it as (big shiny, metal, like terminators) and in the classic survival horror genre technology is usually used to overcome the zombies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937775</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought vampires were about homo-eroticism...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought vampires were about homo-eroticism.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought vampires were about homo-eroticism...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937875</id>
	<title>This is Slashdot</title>
	<author>smitty\_one\_each</author>
	<datestamp>1256992920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let us celebrate obscurity: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059643/" title="imdb.com">The Saragossa Manuscript</a> [imdb.com].<br>
Or the equally excellent original: <a href="href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Manuscript\_Found\_in\_Saragossa" title="slashdot.org">href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Manuscript\_Found\_in\_Saragossa</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let us celebrate obscurity : The Saragossa Manuscript [ imdb.com ] .
Or the equally excellent original : href = http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The \ _Manuscript \ _Found \ _in \ _Saragossa [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let us celebrate obscurity: The Saragossa Manuscript [imdb.com].
Or the equally excellent original: href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Manuscript\_Found\_in\_Saragossa [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937443</id>
	<title>Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1256987760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.</p><p>Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.</p><p>However, I personally don't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it.  Some things don't have a deeper meaning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems a bit of a stretch , since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.However , I personally do n't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it .
Some things do n't have a deeper meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.However, I personally don't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it.
Some things don't have a deeper meaning.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939547</id>
	<title>Re:Frankenstein?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257012240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you may be mistakingly using Frankenstein (the name of the scientist) to refer to his creation. In Shelley's book Frankenstein is trying to stop his creation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you may be mistakingly using Frankenstein ( the name of the scientist ) to refer to his creation .
In Shelley 's book Frankenstein is trying to stop his creation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you may be mistakingly using Frankenstein (the name of the scientist) to refer to his creation.
In Shelley's book Frankenstein is trying to stop his creation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937987</id>
	<title>Yes and no</title>
	<author>darCness</author>
	<datestamp>1256994300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Representations of the Zeitgeist, sure. What the Zeitgeist <i>is</i>? Eh, no. How about representing many of the things Romero intended? All that stuff hasn't really changed. Mass consumer culture; a rebellion against a sterile, mindless society; unease and dissatisfaction with the state of the country and the world - and the attendant social unrest. Forbes' analysis is interesting, but off the mark, IMO.</p><p>The issues that were salient when the original movies were made are just as salient now, if not more so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Representations of the Zeitgeist , sure .
What the Zeitgeist is ?
Eh , no .
How about representing many of the things Romero intended ?
All that stuff has n't really changed .
Mass consumer culture ; a rebellion against a sterile , mindless society ; unease and dissatisfaction with the state of the country and the world - and the attendant social unrest .
Forbes ' analysis is interesting , but off the mark , IMO.The issues that were salient when the original movies were made are just as salient now , if not more so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Representations of the Zeitgeist, sure.
What the Zeitgeist is?
Eh, no.
How about representing many of the things Romero intended?
All that stuff hasn't really changed.
Mass consumer culture; a rebellion against a sterile, mindless society; unease and dissatisfaction with the state of the country and the world - and the attendant social unrest.
Forbes' analysis is interesting, but off the mark, IMO.The issues that were salient when the original movies were made are just as salient now, if not more so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939281</id>
	<title>apocalypse</title>
	<author>Johnny Mnemonic</author>
	<datestamp>1257009240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The crucial part of this is that its a zombie <i>apocalypse</i>.  A significant part of this fantasy is that, well, everyone else is dead.  In these films you rarely see a lot of remorse from the survivors;  instead, you see them fighting for their own lives.  And usually oversome in thw end by the teeming mindless hordes.

<br> <br>It is clearly more about our fear of being overcome by mindlessness, and a relief of finally being free of the howling of the pressures of present day society that drives this zeigeist.  I just want some space, man, I just want to breathe a little.  I want to do all of those things that I can't do now because there are too many fucking people in my way, and I want to give in to unbridled consumerism.  Almost every movie has "a loot the grocery store" scene cause we're tired of having to make choices and we want to have it all.  And at the end of the day we know that we're going to have our brains sucked out of head too, cause the enemy is relentless, and relentless, even if slow and stupid, will overcome our will to survive.<br> <br>That's what it's about.  It has very little to do with fear of tech, that's lazy analysis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The crucial part of this is that its a zombie apocalypse .
A significant part of this fantasy is that , well , everyone else is dead .
In these films you rarely see a lot of remorse from the survivors ; instead , you see them fighting for their own lives .
And usually oversome in thw end by the teeming mindless hordes .
It is clearly more about our fear of being overcome by mindlessness , and a relief of finally being free of the howling of the pressures of present day society that drives this zeigeist .
I just want some space , man , I just want to breathe a little .
I want to do all of those things that I ca n't do now because there are too many fucking people in my way , and I want to give in to unbridled consumerism .
Almost every movie has " a loot the grocery store " scene cause we 're tired of having to make choices and we want to have it all .
And at the end of the day we know that we 're going to have our brains sucked out of head too , cause the enemy is relentless , and relentless , even if slow and stupid , will overcome our will to survive .
That 's what it 's about .
It has very little to do with fear of tech , that 's lazy analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crucial part of this is that its a zombie apocalypse.
A significant part of this fantasy is that, well, everyone else is dead.
In these films you rarely see a lot of remorse from the survivors;  instead, you see them fighting for their own lives.
And usually oversome in thw end by the teeming mindless hordes.
It is clearly more about our fear of being overcome by mindlessness, and a relief of finally being free of the howling of the pressures of present day society that drives this zeigeist.
I just want some space, man, I just want to breathe a little.
I want to do all of those things that I can't do now because there are too many fucking people in my way, and I want to give in to unbridled consumerism.
Almost every movie has "a loot the grocery store" scene cause we're tired of having to make choices and we want to have it all.
And at the end of the day we know that we're going to have our brains sucked out of head too, cause the enemy is relentless, and relentless, even if slow and stupid, will overcome our will to survive.
That's what it's about.
It has very little to do with fear of tech, that's lazy analysis.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29944882</id>
	<title>Zombies aren't fear of technology...</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1257074340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're fear of people. Fear of the sprawling masses, to be precise. While vampires are the opposite: fear of (and/or attraction to) secretive elites.</p><p>I find the zombie apocalypse genre disturbing because it tells me that people have become comfortable with mass dehumanisation of their neighbours. And that's not a good place to be as a society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're fear of people .
Fear of the sprawling masses , to be precise .
While vampires are the opposite : fear of ( and/or attraction to ) secretive elites.I find the zombie apocalypse genre disturbing because it tells me that people have become comfortable with mass dehumanisation of their neighbours .
And that 's not a good place to be as a society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're fear of people.
Fear of the sprawling masses, to be precise.
While vampires are the opposite: fear of (and/or attraction to) secretive elites.I find the zombie apocalypse genre disturbing because it tells me that people have become comfortable with mass dehumanisation of their neighbours.
And that's not a good place to be as a society.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937433</id>
	<title>Not necessarily of US origin..</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1256987640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director (in the UK), and by a UK company (FilmFour)....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director ( in the UK ) , and by a UK company ( FilmFour ) ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both 28 Days Later and Resident Evil were made respectively by a UK director (in the UK), and by a UK company (FilmFour)....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939259</id>
	<title>For Fuck's Sake!</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1257008940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is not one single zombie in 28 Days Later.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is not one single zombie in 28 Days Later.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is not one single zombie in 28 Days Later.LK</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939831</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA totally misses the point of zombie movies.  I just posted the long version of this on my blog, but here's the condensed version:</p><p>Zombie movies are about the fear of conformity and loss of individuality in modern society.</p><p>The heroes are always a mixed group of people who, in traditional society would have been forced to conform and live out their lives in some shabby, blah kind of way. None of them ever has a "cool" life to look forward to. During the zombie apocalypse, the heroes survive by their wits. They're individuals, in other words, and we're fantasizing about escaping with them from our dull lives.</p><p>The zombies represent conformist society, the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers. Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one, and whenever they encounter an individual, they try to convince him to conform.  Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling, conformist zombie.</p><p>So the zombie movie is about whether our group of individualist heroes can outwit and escape the shambling masses of office drones and gas station workers, and retain their freedom from the forces of contemporary society.</p><p>That's how I see it, anyway. If it was just about "fear of death" these movies wouldn't be so popular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA totally misses the point of zombie movies .
I just posted the long version of this on my blog , but here 's the condensed version : Zombie movies are about the fear of conformity and loss of individuality in modern society.The heroes are always a mixed group of people who , in traditional society would have been forced to conform and live out their lives in some shabby , blah kind of way .
None of them ever has a " cool " life to look forward to .
During the zombie apocalypse , the heroes survive by their wits .
They 're individuals , in other words , and we 're fantasizing about escaping with them from our dull lives.The zombies represent conformist society , the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers .
Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one , and whenever they encounter an individual , they try to convince him to conform .
Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling , conformist zombie.So the zombie movie is about whether our group of individualist heroes can outwit and escape the shambling masses of office drones and gas station workers , and retain their freedom from the forces of contemporary society.That 's how I see it , anyway .
If it was just about " fear of death " these movies would n't be so popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA totally misses the point of zombie movies.
I just posted the long version of this on my blog, but here's the condensed version:Zombie movies are about the fear of conformity and loss of individuality in modern society.The heroes are always a mixed group of people who, in traditional society would have been forced to conform and live out their lives in some shabby, blah kind of way.
None of them ever has a "cool" life to look forward to.
During the zombie apocalypse, the heroes survive by their wits.
They're individuals, in other words, and we're fantasizing about escaping with them from our dull lives.The zombies represent conformist society, the masses of joneses shambling around the mall with their lattes and their SUV-size strollers.
Conformists outnumber individualists a thousand to one, and whenever they encounter an individual, they try to convince him to conform.
Zombies bite you and make YOU a shambling, conformist zombie.So the zombie movie is about whether our group of individualist heroes can outwit and escape the shambling masses of office drones and gas station workers, and retain their freedom from the forces of contemporary society.That's how I see it, anyway.
If it was just about "fear of death" these movies wouldn't be so popular.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938399</id>
	<title>Re:Americans embrace zombies</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256998500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I remember the last time I heard of that movie.  It was when I showed a group of friends <a href="http://www.xkcd.com/653/" title="xkcd.com">this XKCD comic.</a> [xkcd.com]  It was the universal consensus of all who had seen "Zombie Jesus" that it fell well into the category of So Bad It's Horrible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I remember the last time I heard of that movie .
It was when I showed a group of friends this XKCD comic .
[ xkcd.com ] It was the universal consensus of all who had seen " Zombie Jesus " that it fell well into the category of So Bad It 's Horrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I remember the last time I heard of that movie.
It was when I showed a group of friends this XKCD comic.
[xkcd.com]  It was the universal consensus of all who had seen "Zombie Jesus" that it fell well into the category of So Bad It's Horrible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937911</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Seems more likely a personification of fear of death."</p><p>Or maybe they just needed something semi scary at the time, horror books and tales preceded movies by a longshot.  I don't think they are the personification of anything other then being an animal that is ugly and that can kill you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Seems more likely a personification of fear of death .
" Or maybe they just needed something semi scary at the time , horror books and tales preceded movies by a longshot .
I do n't think they are the personification of anything other then being an animal that is ugly and that can kill you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.
"Or maybe they just needed something semi scary at the time, horror books and tales preceded movies by a longshot.
I don't think they are the personification of anything other then being an animal that is ugly and that can kill you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938081</id>
	<title>Meaningless lives, and Zombies.</title>
	<author>LionKimbro</author>
	<datestamp>1256995320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think zombies reflect our empty commercial lives.</p><p>We're skeptical of pretty much all systems of meaning, so we see ourselves as "half alive," merely cannibalizing on each other (pretty much.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think zombies reflect our empty commercial lives.We 're skeptical of pretty much all systems of meaning , so we see ourselves as " half alive , " merely cannibalizing on each other ( pretty much .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think zombies reflect our empty commercial lives.We're skeptical of pretty much all systems of meaning, so we see ourselves as "half alive," merely cannibalizing on each other (pretty much.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937495</id>
	<title>Actually it's the opposite fear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original Romero zombies were flesh eaters that preyed on our fears of being eaten much like in pre-civilized times when it was a constant threat. They are closer to the fear of cannibals like Hannibal Lector than atomic bombs. Although some modern zombies aren't specifically trying to eat flesh they all bite and kill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original Romero zombies were flesh eaters that preyed on our fears of being eaten much like in pre-civilized times when it was a constant threat .
They are closer to the fear of cannibals like Hannibal Lector than atomic bombs .
Although some modern zombies are n't specifically trying to eat flesh they all bite and kill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original Romero zombies were flesh eaters that preyed on our fears of being eaten much like in pre-civilized times when it was a constant threat.
They are closer to the fear of cannibals like Hannibal Lector than atomic bombs.
Although some modern zombies aren't specifically trying to eat flesh they all bite and kill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939575</id>
	<title>What????  No.  Sorry.  Just, No.</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1257012600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Along with nuclear waste and mysterious space-borne radiation, pandemic plagues have also spawned zombies. This zombie type has become the dominant movie form over the last few decades, no doubt a reaction to AIDS, Ebola, cloning, genetically modified foods and the remainder of the brave new world of biotechnology.</i></p><p>I have to take a moment to totally disagree with this assessment.  --As many have already pointed out, bio-tech gone wrong (or whatever) is just the McGuffin used to get the story rolling.  You can't have zombies without some sort of half-baked explanation at the outset.  Nobody cares what it is really, so long as it isn't entirely implausible.  In this case, the monster is definitely the Thing, (Ha Ha.  Pun intended.), and the reason we are, as a culture, so fascinated with Zombies is based on, as per usual, the rumbling proto-awareness bubbling up from our subconscious.  --Because we can't quite get a fix on the source of threat with our conscious awareness, the Deep parts of ourselves step in, conjuring up images for us to contemplate until we figure out the enormous stress vector we've thus far failed to recognize in the world around us, but which is trying its damnedest to consume us.</p><p>And if you'll notice, there is another trend in film and television which is closely related to Zombies. . .</p><p>Dollhouse (Programmable people.)<br>Terminator Salvation (Programmable robot people which think they're real.)<br>Moon (Programmable clone people.)<br>Surrogates (Remote controlled robot people.)<br>Gamer (Remote controlled real people.)<br>Avatar (Remote controlled alien people.)</p><p>I'd also add a few others such as. . ,<br>Dexter (Dangerous fake people who don't think like us.)<br>V (People which look like us but are really noxious alien lizards.)</p><p>See the trend?  I sure do.  Everything looks peaceful, but our cultural subconscious is screaming.</p><p>All in all, plain old Zombies are far less disturbing because they're mindless.  The idea of somebody else controlling zombies raises the skill level beyond simple shotgun solutions.  I'd wager that the reason our world is such a mess is precisely because we've utterly failed to deal properly with the problem of fake evil people, and worse, the fact that regular folks are so very easy to turn into fake evil people.  This is upsetting, and it's the reason, I think, behind the whole Zombie thing.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Along with nuclear waste and mysterious space-borne radiation , pandemic plagues have also spawned zombies .
This zombie type has become the dominant movie form over the last few decades , no doubt a reaction to AIDS , Ebola , cloning , genetically modified foods and the remainder of the brave new world of biotechnology.I have to take a moment to totally disagree with this assessment .
--As many have already pointed out , bio-tech gone wrong ( or whatever ) is just the McGuffin used to get the story rolling .
You ca n't have zombies without some sort of half-baked explanation at the outset .
Nobody cares what it is really , so long as it is n't entirely implausible .
In this case , the monster is definitely the Thing , ( Ha Ha .
Pun intended .
) , and the reason we are , as a culture , so fascinated with Zombies is based on , as per usual , the rumbling proto-awareness bubbling up from our subconscious .
--Because we ca n't quite get a fix on the source of threat with our conscious awareness , the Deep parts of ourselves step in , conjuring up images for us to contemplate until we figure out the enormous stress vector we 've thus far failed to recognize in the world around us , but which is trying its damnedest to consume us.And if you 'll notice , there is another trend in film and television which is closely related to Zombies .
. .Dollhouse ( Programmable people .
) Terminator Salvation ( Programmable robot people which think they 're real .
) Moon ( Programmable clone people .
) Surrogates ( Remote controlled robot people .
) Gamer ( Remote controlled real people .
) Avatar ( Remote controlled alien people .
) I 'd also add a few others such as .
. ,Dexter ( Dangerous fake people who do n't think like us .
) V ( People which look like us but are really noxious alien lizards .
) See the trend ?
I sure do .
Everything looks peaceful , but our cultural subconscious is screaming.All in all , plain old Zombies are far less disturbing because they 're mindless .
The idea of somebody else controlling zombies raises the skill level beyond simple shotgun solutions .
I 'd wager that the reason our world is such a mess is precisely because we 've utterly failed to deal properly with the problem of fake evil people , and worse , the fact that regular folks are so very easy to turn into fake evil people .
This is upsetting , and it 's the reason , I think , behind the whole Zombie thing.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Along with nuclear waste and mysterious space-borne radiation, pandemic plagues have also spawned zombies.
This zombie type has become the dominant movie form over the last few decades, no doubt a reaction to AIDS, Ebola, cloning, genetically modified foods and the remainder of the brave new world of biotechnology.I have to take a moment to totally disagree with this assessment.
--As many have already pointed out, bio-tech gone wrong (or whatever) is just the McGuffin used to get the story rolling.
You can't have zombies without some sort of half-baked explanation at the outset.
Nobody cares what it is really, so long as it isn't entirely implausible.
In this case, the monster is definitely the Thing, (Ha Ha.
Pun intended.
), and the reason we are, as a culture, so fascinated with Zombies is based on, as per usual, the rumbling proto-awareness bubbling up from our subconscious.
--Because we can't quite get a fix on the source of threat with our conscious awareness, the Deep parts of ourselves step in, conjuring up images for us to contemplate until we figure out the enormous stress vector we've thus far failed to recognize in the world around us, but which is trying its damnedest to consume us.And if you'll notice, there is another trend in film and television which is closely related to Zombies.
. .Dollhouse (Programmable people.
)Terminator Salvation (Programmable robot people which think they're real.
)Moon (Programmable clone people.
)Surrogates (Remote controlled robot people.
)Gamer (Remote controlled real people.
)Avatar (Remote controlled alien people.
)I'd also add a few others such as.
. ,Dexter (Dangerous fake people who don't think like us.
)V (People which look like us but are really noxious alien lizards.
)See the trend?
I sure do.
Everything looks peaceful, but our cultural subconscious is screaming.All in all, plain old Zombies are far less disturbing because they're mindless.
The idea of somebody else controlling zombies raises the skill level beyond simple shotgun solutions.
I'd wager that the reason our world is such a mess is precisely because we've utterly failed to deal properly with the problem of fake evil people, and worse, the fact that regular folks are so very easy to turn into fake evil people.
This is upsetting, and it's the reason, I think, behind the whole Zombie thing.-FL</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937521</id>
	<title>no, no.  the real reason...</title>
	<author>pgilman</author>
	<datestamp>1256988720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the real reason we have zombies everywhere is political correctness.  it's a lot safer for game makers to use pretend antagonists than human beings.  if a game has you shooting human beings, somebody's going to complain; monsters or robots are much less likely to offend the hyper-sensitive thought-police tipper gores of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the real reason we have zombies everywhere is political correctness .
it 's a lot safer for game makers to use pretend antagonists than human beings .
if a game has you shooting human beings , somebody 's going to complain ; monsters or robots are much less likely to offend the hyper-sensitive thought-police tipper gores of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the real reason we have zombies everywhere is political correctness.
it's a lot safer for game makers to use pretend antagonists than human beings.
if a game has you shooting human beings, somebody's going to complain; monsters or robots are much less likely to offend the hyper-sensitive thought-police tipper gores of the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939543</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257012180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No need to double-tap with a 12-gauge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No need to double-tap with a 12-gauge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No need to double-tap with a 12-gauge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937847</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vampires represent peoples hangups about sexuality.  You are mostly correct right now.  The vampire currently represents a man who is everything a girl can want, but for some reason can't love her.  This is essentially catering to the "fag-hag" demographic which is actually growing faster and faster as current media extols the virtues of "metrosexual" style.  In the early 80s, vampires were generally depicted as doomed souls due to aids panic.  In more Victorian times, vampires simply represented sex outside of wedlock.  Normally I wouldn't make much of such symbolic interpretations, except for the fact that authors generally are deeply interested in symbolism and therefore a symbol of sexual deviance would be passed down as a way of exploring... sexual deviance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vampires represent peoples hangups about sexuality .
You are mostly correct right now .
The vampire currently represents a man who is everything a girl can want , but for some reason ca n't love her .
This is essentially catering to the " fag-hag " demographic which is actually growing faster and faster as current media extols the virtues of " metrosexual " style .
In the early 80s , vampires were generally depicted as doomed souls due to aids panic .
In more Victorian times , vampires simply represented sex outside of wedlock .
Normally I would n't make much of such symbolic interpretations , except for the fact that authors generally are deeply interested in symbolism and therefore a symbol of sexual deviance would be passed down as a way of exploring... sexual deviance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vampires represent peoples hangups about sexuality.
You are mostly correct right now.
The vampire currently represents a man who is everything a girl can want, but for some reason can't love her.
This is essentially catering to the "fag-hag" demographic which is actually growing faster and faster as current media extols the virtues of "metrosexual" style.
In the early 80s, vampires were generally depicted as doomed souls due to aids panic.
In more Victorian times, vampires simply represented sex outside of wedlock.
Normally I wouldn't make much of such symbolic interpretations, except for the fact that authors generally are deeply interested in symbolism and therefore a symbol of sexual deviance would be passed down as a way of exploring... sexual deviance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939015</id>
	<title>All wrong</title>
	<author>oljanx</author>
	<datestamp>1257005520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's actually very simple.  Zombies are cool, so are shotguns and chainsaws, and the Zombie Apocalypse is an awesome way for the world to end.  It's really not more complex than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually very simple .
Zombies are cool , so are shotguns and chainsaws , and the Zombie Apocalypse is an awesome way for the world to end .
It 's really not more complex than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually very simple.
Zombies are cool, so are shotguns and chainsaws, and the Zombie Apocalypse is an awesome way for the world to end.
It's really not more complex than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937715</id>
	<title>Re:no, no. the real reason...</title>
	<author>spymagician</author>
	<datestamp>1256990580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unless you live in Australia... (looks at Left 4 Dead 2 with pity...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you live in Australia... ( looks at Left 4 Dead 2 with pity... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you live in Australia... (looks at Left 4 Dead 2 with pity...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937823</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1256992380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>... <b>vampires</b> are fun, too, but they've been overexposed.</i> <p>Oh God, yes!  Whenever there's an announcement of a vampire movie, I just cringe and think "Not another fucking Vampire movie." Of course, I don't see it but I think of all the film money going for that shit instead of some great sci-fi movie along the lines of Blade Runner or something based on a book by the masters of SciFi and just shake my head. </p><p>Sigh, that's where Hollywood thinks the money is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... vampires are fun , too , but they 've been overexposed .
Oh God , yes !
Whenever there 's an announcement of a vampire movie , I just cringe and think " Not another fucking Vampire movie .
" Of course , I do n't see it but I think of all the film money going for that shit instead of some great sci-fi movie along the lines of Blade Runner or something based on a book by the masters of SciFi and just shake my head .
Sigh , that 's where Hollywood thinks the money is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... vampires are fun, too, but they've been overexposed.
Oh God, yes!
Whenever there's an announcement of a vampire movie, I just cringe and think "Not another fucking Vampire movie.
" Of course, I don't see it but I think of all the film money going for that shit instead of some great sci-fi movie along the lines of Blade Runner or something based on a book by the masters of SciFi and just shake my head.
Sigh, that's where Hollywood thinks the money is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938883</id>
	<title>computers aren't the only 'tech'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a computer nerd can't fathom that computers aren't the only "tech" out there.  There is such a thing as biotech these days, if you haven't heard, and most of the diseases that cause zombism in movies are a result of biotechnology.  Screw your head on and think!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a computer nerd ca n't fathom that computers are n't the only " tech " out there .
There is such a thing as biotech these days , if you have n't heard , and most of the diseases that cause zombism in movies are a result of biotechnology .
Screw your head on and think !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a computer nerd can't fathom that computers aren't the only "tech" out there.
There is such a thing as biotech these days, if you haven't heard, and most of the diseases that cause zombism in movies are a result of biotechnology.
Screw your head on and think!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937451</id>
	<title>A real zombie plague is coming</title>
	<author>Flentil</author>
	<datestamp>1256987760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just like how people's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today, some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon.  We've seen this theme in movies several times.  If it's at all possible, it will happen sooner or later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like how people 's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today , some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon .
We 've seen this theme in movies several times .
If it 's at all possible , it will happen sooner or later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like how people's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today, some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon.
We've seen this theme in movies several times.
If it's at all possible, it will happen sooner or later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938109</id>
	<title>communist hordes and subversive neighbours</title>
	<author>cas2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256995680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i've always thought that the american fascination with zombies was because they combined a representation of the "mindless hordes of communism" with america's favourite paranoia about Fifth Column subversion of the American Way Of Life</p><p>plus, of course, americans love the Lawless West mythology, that a single good man with a gun can save the day.  add to that the survivalist wet-dream of A World Gone Mad and you have the perfect fantasy fuel for everyone, especially the RKBA nutters.</p><p>(that said, i love a good zombie flick myself.  or even a bad one)</p><p>oh yeah, while i'm dissecting the american zeitgeist, i'll also mention that the american obsession with robots from the 1950s onwards is due to the white middle class desire to have an obedient slave race that won't revolt....indeed, CAN'T revolt due to Asimov's Three Laws being built-in.  robots are proxy black slaves with all the uppitiness removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've always thought that the american fascination with zombies was because they combined a representation of the " mindless hordes of communism " with america 's favourite paranoia about Fifth Column subversion of the American Way Of Lifeplus , of course , americans love the Lawless West mythology , that a single good man with a gun can save the day .
add to that the survivalist wet-dream of A World Gone Mad and you have the perfect fantasy fuel for everyone , especially the RKBA nutters .
( that said , i love a good zombie flick myself .
or even a bad one ) oh yeah , while i 'm dissecting the american zeitgeist , i 'll also mention that the american obsession with robots from the 1950s onwards is due to the white middle class desire to have an obedient slave race that wo n't revolt....indeed , CA N'T revolt due to Asimov 's Three Laws being built-in .
robots are proxy black slaves with all the uppitiness removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've always thought that the american fascination with zombies was because they combined a representation of the "mindless hordes of communism" with america's favourite paranoia about Fifth Column subversion of the American Way Of Lifeplus, of course, americans love the Lawless West mythology, that a single good man with a gun can save the day.
add to that the survivalist wet-dream of A World Gone Mad and you have the perfect fantasy fuel for everyone, especially the RKBA nutters.
(that said, i love a good zombie flick myself.
or even a bad one)oh yeah, while i'm dissecting the american zeitgeist, i'll also mention that the american obsession with robots from the 1950s onwards is due to the white middle class desire to have an obedient slave race that won't revolt....indeed, CAN'T revolt due to Asimov's Three Laws being built-in.
robots are proxy black slaves with all the uppitiness removed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937971</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1256994120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, I'm an engineer, but I've had the *rudiments* of a liberal education, and *I* can see that the idea that zombies represent fear of technology *per se* is weak.</p><p>No.</p><p>What zombies represent are fear of the economic and cultural changes which are facilitated by technology. Depersonalization.  How far is it from a cubical drone to a zombie? Pretty much add the taste for human brain and you're there.  Take something like a MacDonald's restaurant -- not to pick on them, but all franchises are the same.  A franchise is a complicated economic relationship in which the individual store, although possibly independently owned, has everything defined by corporate HQ (in this case MacDonald's HQ).   The franchisee has a detailed manual which specifies how to *everything*, how to respond to any kind of situation that might arise.  In fact, it doesn't just *say* how. It *mandates*.   It is a big collection of algorithms.   And every one of those algorithms is executed by *people*, not based on their own judgment, but triggered by the conditions specified in the manual.</p><p>So what zombies represent is not a fear of technology, but a fear of *becoming* technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , I 'm an engineer , but I 've had the * rudiments * of a liberal education , and * I * can see that the idea that zombies represent fear of technology * per se * is weak.No.What zombies represent are fear of the economic and cultural changes which are facilitated by technology .
Depersonalization. How far is it from a cubical drone to a zombie ?
Pretty much add the taste for human brain and you 're there .
Take something like a MacDonald 's restaurant -- not to pick on them , but all franchises are the same .
A franchise is a complicated economic relationship in which the individual store , although possibly independently owned , has everything defined by corporate HQ ( in this case MacDonald 's HQ ) .
The franchisee has a detailed manual which specifies how to * everything * , how to respond to any kind of situation that might arise .
In fact , it does n't just * say * how .
It * mandates * .
It is a big collection of algorithms .
And every one of those algorithms is executed by * people * , not based on their own judgment , but triggered by the conditions specified in the manual.So what zombies represent is not a fear of technology , but a fear of * becoming * technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, I'm an engineer, but I've had the *rudiments* of a liberal education, and *I* can see that the idea that zombies represent fear of technology *per se* is weak.No.What zombies represent are fear of the economic and cultural changes which are facilitated by technology.
Depersonalization.  How far is it from a cubical drone to a zombie?
Pretty much add the taste for human brain and you're there.
Take something like a MacDonald's restaurant -- not to pick on them, but all franchises are the same.
A franchise is a complicated economic relationship in which the individual store, although possibly independently owned, has everything defined by corporate HQ (in this case MacDonald's HQ).
The franchisee has a detailed manual which specifies how to *everything*, how to respond to any kind of situation that might arise.
In fact, it doesn't just *say* how.
It *mandates*.
It is a big collection of algorithms.
And every one of those algorithms is executed by *people*, not based on their own judgment, but triggered by the conditions specified in the manual.So what zombies represent is not a fear of technology, but a fear of *becoming* technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938131</id>
	<title>The Zombie Metaphor</title>
	<author>mrex</author>
	<datestamp>1256995860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That the antagonists in horror movies are often allegorical representations of the creators' fears is hardly a shocking observation.</p><p>That zombies as a metaphor represent fear of technology seems wrong. Technology has largely replaced the supernatural as the favored MacGuffin in realistic fiction, horror included, simply because it's a more believable way to accomplish incredible things. Likewise, when our story-time villains mostly used magic, exploring our fears about magic was rarely the point of the story. Dracula was not a metaphor for the dangers of magical progress but instead for aspects of the darker side of human nature.</p><p>It's those aspects... that darker side of human nature, that our villains and foils most effectively and most often represent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That the antagonists in horror movies are often allegorical representations of the creators ' fears is hardly a shocking observation.That zombies as a metaphor represent fear of technology seems wrong .
Technology has largely replaced the supernatural as the favored MacGuffin in realistic fiction , horror included , simply because it 's a more believable way to accomplish incredible things .
Likewise , when our story-time villains mostly used magic , exploring our fears about magic was rarely the point of the story .
Dracula was not a metaphor for the dangers of magical progress but instead for aspects of the darker side of human nature.It 's those aspects... that darker side of human nature , that our villains and foils most effectively and most often represent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That the antagonists in horror movies are often allegorical representations of the creators' fears is hardly a shocking observation.That zombies as a metaphor represent fear of technology seems wrong.
Technology has largely replaced the supernatural as the favored MacGuffin in realistic fiction, horror included, simply because it's a more believable way to accomplish incredible things.
Likewise, when our story-time villains mostly used magic, exploring our fears about magic was rarely the point of the story.
Dracula was not a metaphor for the dangers of magical progress but instead for aspects of the darker side of human nature.It's those aspects... that darker side of human nature, that our villains and foils most effectively and most often represent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938995</id>
	<title>Zombies as a metaphor for religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In fact the earliest story I recall (can't remember the name) had a religious figure raise the zombies - kind of like the biblical stories.

But the point is, the zombie is controlled externally, and discards logic. Seeking what it lacks (brains) it destroys others. Sounds like a fundy to me (of any stripe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact the earliest story I recall ( ca n't remember the name ) had a religious figure raise the zombies - kind of like the biblical stories .
But the point is , the zombie is controlled externally , and discards logic .
Seeking what it lacks ( brains ) it destroys others .
Sounds like a fundy to me ( of any stripe : - ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact the earliest story I recall (can't remember the name) had a religious figure raise the zombies - kind of like the biblical stories.
But the point is, the zombie is controlled externally, and discards logic.
Seeking what it lacks (brains) it destroys others.
Sounds like a fundy to me (of any stripe :-).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938739</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now, I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people, most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection, but most of those think it's something from original myths and legends, not George Romero.</p></div></blockquote><p>IIRC, both they, and you, would be wrong.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  The "Brains" connection comes not from Romero's zombie movies, but from the "Return of the Living Dead" series, which is unrelated.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people , most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection , but most of those think it 's something from original myths and legends , not George Romero.IIRC , both they , and you , would be wrong .
: ) The " Brains " connection comes not from Romero 's zombie movies , but from the " Return of the Living Dead " series , which is unrelated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, I suspect if you surveyed a lot of people, most of them know of the Zombies - Brains connection, but most of those think it's something from original myths and legends, not George Romero.IIRC, both they, and you, would be wrong.
:)  The "Brains" connection comes not from Romero's zombie movies, but from the "Return of the Living Dead" series, which is unrelated.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939603</id>
	<title>Re:Not necessarily of US origin..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they were referring to the popularity of zombie genre in the US... but point noted<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they were referring to the popularity of zombie genre in the US... but point noted : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they were referring to the popularity of zombie genre in the US... but point noted :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939929</id>
	<title>Romero: no happy endings</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1257018660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, let's put on the hip waders here. So if my watching Romero Zombie movies is correct there are no happy endings.</p><p>People fight as hard as they can and die. Or become undead (I'll let a follow up posters explore that).</p><p>When everyone works together they have a chance. When infighting occurs, it all goes to heck.</p><p>So what I get out of it is:</p><p>1) You are a victim of forces you cannot control.</p><p>2) Cooperate or die.</p><p>3) Even if you fight hard, you can die.</p><p>This is in addition to the racial and social commentary.</p><p>Basically 1 through 3 defines your basic worker for a large corporation. I'm not sure if management == zombies though.</p><p>But in terms of layoffs and taking control of you life it speaks volumes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , let 's put on the hip waders here .
So if my watching Romero Zombie movies is correct there are no happy endings.People fight as hard as they can and die .
Or become undead ( I 'll let a follow up posters explore that ) .When everyone works together they have a chance .
When infighting occurs , it all goes to heck.So what I get out of it is : 1 ) You are a victim of forces you can not control.2 ) Cooperate or die.3 ) Even if you fight hard , you can die.This is in addition to the racial and social commentary.Basically 1 through 3 defines your basic worker for a large corporation .
I 'm not sure if management = = zombies though.But in terms of layoffs and taking control of you life it speaks volumes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, let's put on the hip waders here.
So if my watching Romero Zombie movies is correct there are no happy endings.People fight as hard as they can and die.
Or become undead (I'll let a follow up posters explore that).When everyone works together they have a chance.
When infighting occurs, it all goes to heck.So what I get out of it is:1) You are a victim of forces you cannot control.2) Cooperate or die.3) Even if you fight hard, you can die.This is in addition to the racial and social commentary.Basically 1 through 3 defines your basic worker for a large corporation.
I'm not sure if management == zombies though.But in terms of layoffs and taking control of you life it speaks volumes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29943706</id>
	<title>actually,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257066540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read a transcript of an interview with Romero. He stated that the idea of the zombies was as a social commentary of the 'mob mentality' or arguably peer pressure.</p><p>I don't think technology was even on his mind at any point.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...maybe commericialism in an off-beat secondary kinda way. It's too bad i'm at a terminal and cannot google the interwebs for links for ou guys...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read a transcript of an interview with Romero .
He stated that the idea of the zombies was as a social commentary of the 'mob mentality ' or arguably peer pressure.I do n't think technology was even on his mind at any point .
...maybe commericialism in an off-beat secondary kinda way .
It 's too bad i 'm at a terminal and can not google the interwebs for links for ou guys.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read a transcript of an interview with Romero.
He stated that the idea of the zombies was as a social commentary of the 'mob mentality' or arguably peer pressure.I don't think technology was even on his mind at any point.
...maybe commericialism in an off-beat secondary kinda way.
It's too bad i'm at a terminal and cannot google the interwebs for links for ou guys...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937507</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1256988540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", as a number of people, including Freud himself, are alleged to have said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
" Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar " , as a number of people , including Freud himself , are alleged to have said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", as a number of people, including Freud himself, are alleged to have said.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938261</id>
	<title>Re: the perfect movie idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Pirate zombies vs Ninja zombies</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate zombies vs Ninja zombies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate zombies vs Ninja zombies</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938373</id>
	<title>Uhmm...</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1256998200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>But your example (and few by other posters) don't contest per se the idea that it is a phenomena with US <i>origin</i> (origin being the key word here)</p><p>For example: Big Macs (and similar) are eaten and made throughout the world. Doesn't mean that they are no longer of US <i>origin</i> (and yes, the meals of that form might not be of US origin in reality, I don't know; but you get the idea...)</p><p>Also, it would be usefull to look at the scale of things; I guess US leads in production of zombie films by a large margin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But your example ( and few by other posters ) do n't contest per se the idea that it is a phenomena with US origin ( origin being the key word here ) For example : Big Macs ( and similar ) are eaten and made throughout the world .
Does n't mean that they are no longer of US origin ( and yes , the meals of that form might not be of US origin in reality , I do n't know ; but you get the idea... ) Also , it would be usefull to look at the scale of things ; I guess US leads in production of zombie films by a large margin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But your example (and few by other posters) don't contest per se the idea that it is a phenomena with US origin (origin being the key word here)For example: Big Macs (and similar) are eaten and made throughout the world.
Doesn't mean that they are no longer of US origin (and yes, the meals of that form might not be of US origin in reality, I don't know; but you get the idea...)Also, it would be usefull to look at the scale of things; I guess US leads in production of zombie films by a large margin.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939741</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>chogori</author>
	<datestamp>1257015000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Through my extensive zombie research (I've seen more zombie movies than I have fingers and toes), I've come to associate zombies as a satire of civl complacency, lack of control over ones surroundings, suburbia and the like. The rise of zombies recently I think coincides with the increase in these sorts of sentiments.<br> <br>
I've never thought of technology as motivation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Through my extensive zombie research ( I 've seen more zombie movies than I have fingers and toes ) , I 've come to associate zombies as a satire of civl complacency , lack of control over ones surroundings , suburbia and the like .
The rise of zombies recently I think coincides with the increase in these sorts of sentiments .
I 've never thought of technology as motivation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Through my extensive zombie research (I've seen more zombie movies than I have fingers and toes), I've come to associate zombies as a satire of civl complacency, lack of control over ones surroundings, suburbia and the like.
The rise of zombies recently I think coincides with the increase in these sorts of sentiments.
I've never thought of technology as motivation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29951186</id>
	<title>Re:Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar</title>
	<author>AgentSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257182280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies aren't cool because they eat people.</p><p>They're cool because the situation gives you guilt free ways to blow someone away with a shotgun, or slice them<br>Ash style with a chainsaw.</p><p>1) They're not alive<br>2) It's them or me. (Usually end up being your pesky neighbor)<br>3) You are really doing the zombies a favor by ending their unceasing undead tormented existence which may or may not be relieved by eating the flesh or brains of the living.</p><p>What villains do modern youth have?</p><p>Vampires? Vampires are super sexy ultra beings that are oh so moody. Some teens and 20's folk want to BE vampires. But we're talking about the undead.<br>Werewolves? Are devolved dog-like rejects that have superior senses, but don't really add much as supernatural beings. Sorry Twilight and Underworld might have helped their image a little, but werewolves just aren't that sophisticated.</p><p>Mummies? Depends on the mummy. You're still talking about the undead, but they're Egyptian.</p><p>Frankenstein? Animated corpse. Undead. Grrr arrghh. Fire bad!</p><p>Ghosts? Corporeally not there, but spiritually undead.</p><p>I see a trend here. This appears to be our unresolved angst of death. We either fear it and its mishandling or wish to embrace it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies are n't cool because they eat people.They 're cool because the situation gives you guilt free ways to blow someone away with a shotgun , or slice themAsh style with a chainsaw.1 ) They 're not alive2 ) It 's them or me .
( Usually end up being your pesky neighbor ) 3 ) You are really doing the zombies a favor by ending their unceasing undead tormented existence which may or may not be relieved by eating the flesh or brains of the living.What villains do modern youth have ? Vampires ?
Vampires are super sexy ultra beings that are oh so moody .
Some teens and 20 's folk want to BE vampires .
But we 're talking about the undead.Werewolves ?
Are devolved dog-like rejects that have superior senses , but do n't really add much as supernatural beings .
Sorry Twilight and Underworld might have helped their image a little , but werewolves just are n't that sophisticated.Mummies ?
Depends on the mummy .
You 're still talking about the undead , but they 're Egyptian.Frankenstein ?
Animated corpse .
Undead. Grrr arrghh .
Fire bad ! Ghosts ?
Corporeally not there , but spiritually undead.I see a trend here .
This appears to be our unresolved angst of death .
We either fear it and its mishandling or wish to embrace it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies aren't cool because they eat people.They're cool because the situation gives you guilt free ways to blow someone away with a shotgun, or slice themAsh style with a chainsaw.1) They're not alive2) It's them or me.
(Usually end up being your pesky neighbor)3) You are really doing the zombies a favor by ending their unceasing undead tormented existence which may or may not be relieved by eating the flesh or brains of the living.What villains do modern youth have?Vampires?
Vampires are super sexy ultra beings that are oh so moody.
Some teens and 20's folk want to BE vampires.
But we're talking about the undead.Werewolves?
Are devolved dog-like rejects that have superior senses, but don't really add much as supernatural beings.
Sorry Twilight and Underworld might have helped their image a little, but werewolves just aren't that sophisticated.Mummies?
Depends on the mummy.
You're still talking about the undead, but they're Egyptian.Frankenstein?
Animated corpse.
Undead. Grrr arrghh.
Fire bad!Ghosts?
Corporeally not there, but spiritually undead.I see a trend here.
This appears to be our unresolved angst of death.
We either fear it and its mishandling or wish to embrace it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29951512</id>
	<title>You are wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257183660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Godzilla is a representation of America.  The argument posted for this article is so weak, I don't know where to begin arguing against it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Godzilla is a representation of America .
The argument posted for this article is so weak , I do n't know where to begin arguing against it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Godzilla is a representation of America.
The argument posted for this article is so weak, I don't know where to begin arguing against it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940043</id>
	<title>Re:no, no. the real reason...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257107100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Resident Evil 5 Got some political attention for having African American Zombies if I recall correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Resident Evil 5 Got some political attention for having African American Zombies if I recall correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Resident Evil 5 Got some political attention for having African American Zombies if I recall correctly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940963</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1257082800000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over, say, werewolves?</p></div></blockquote><p>
How about this: when it comes to visual effects, it's much harder to do decent werewolves than zombies or vampires.</p></div>
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<tokenext>do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over , say , werewolves ?
How about this : when it comes to visual effects , it 's much harder to do decent werewolves than zombies or vampires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over, say, werewolves?
How about this: when it comes to visual effects, it's much harder to do decent werewolves than zombies or vampires.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940939</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>moortak</author>
	<datestamp>1257082380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lake Erie still has a sizable dead zone and fucking burned (the part near the mouth of the Cuyahoga).  It didn't just burn once either.  Water really shouldn't burn.  That is not pseudo science.  If we had continued on the path we were on the lake would only have gotten worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lake Erie still has a sizable dead zone and fucking burned ( the part near the mouth of the Cuyahoga ) .
It did n't just burn once either .
Water really should n't burn .
That is not pseudo science .
If we had continued on the path we were on the lake would only have gotten worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lake Erie still has a sizable dead zone and fucking burned (the part near the mouth of the Cuyahoga).
It didn't just burn once either.
Water really shouldn't burn.
That is not pseudo science.
If we had continued on the path we were on the lake would only have gotten worse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937637</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1256989860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.</p></div><p>So, suppose I were to genetically engineer some corn or build a small nuclear plant. You think the neighbors wouldn't mind? My bet is that I'd catch a bit of NIMBYism (Not In My BackYard!) from most places in the US. If I talk of launching rockets (I used to belong to a non profit group that did some of that), then people would routinely ask "But isn't that dangerous?" People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they don't understand and which hasn't been prettied up for them (like an iPod with its relatively intuitive controls).</p></div>
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<tokenext>This seems a bit of a stretch , since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.So , suppose I were to genetically engineer some corn or build a small nuclear plant .
You think the neighbors would n't mind ?
My bet is that I 'd catch a bit of NIMBYism ( Not In My BackYard !
) from most places in the US .
If I talk of launching rockets ( I used to belong to a non profit group that did some of that ) , then people would routinely ask " But is n't that dangerous ?
" People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they do n't understand and which has n't been prettied up for them ( like an iPod with its relatively intuitive controls ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.So, suppose I were to genetically engineer some corn or build a small nuclear plant.
You think the neighbors wouldn't mind?
My bet is that I'd catch a bit of NIMBYism (Not In My BackYard!
) from most places in the US.
If I talk of launching rockets (I used to belong to a non profit group that did some of that), then people would routinely ask "But isn't that dangerous?
" People are very sensitized to risks of technology that they don't understand and which hasn't been prettied up for them (like an iPod with its relatively intuitive controls).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29943770</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>negRo\_slim</author>
	<datestamp>1257066840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>That's fine but then how do you account for Vampire myths in cultures that didn't repress sexuality?<p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire" title="wikipedia.org">The vampire</a> [wikipedia.org] has existed in the folklore of "almost all cultures," according to The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy. Vampire characters exist in the records of Chinese, Indian, and Pre-Colombian cultures. Older references to vampires appear in "ancient Assyrian legends, Talmudic texts, and Greek and Roman stories.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's fine but then how do you account for Vampire myths in cultures that did n't repress sexuality ?
The vampire [ wikipedia.org ] has existed in the folklore of " almost all cultures , " according to The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy .
Vampire characters exist in the records of Chinese , Indian , and Pre-Colombian cultures .
Older references to vampires appear in " ancient Assyrian legends , Talmudic texts , and Greek and Roman stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's fine but then how do you account for Vampire myths in cultures that didn't repress sexuality?
The vampire [wikipedia.org] has existed in the folklore of "almost all cultures," according to The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy.
Vampire characters exist in the records of Chinese, Indian, and Pre-Colombian cultures.
Older references to vampires appear in "ancient Assyrian legends, Talmudic texts, and Greek and Roman stories.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937571</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1256989260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.</p></div><p>Well, that's sort of the point: people are ambivalent about it. Remember when cell phones were catching on, and so many people were like, "I'm never getting a cell phone!" "I saw a person in the grocery store today talking to their wife <b>on a cell phone</b> talking about <b>what food to buy</b>! What a waste." It's that way for all new technology. It's the whole fear of change thing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.<br> <br>
However, I personally don't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it. Some things don't have a deeper meaning.</p></div><p>I agree with you about the 'fear of death' interpretation. To me, it's always an interesting question, "why is *this* popular and not *that*?" If you can buy that Godzilla = Atomic bomb ( the fist Godzilla movie is basically Godzilla, wakened in the pacific by nuclear testing, smashes an entire city. It's building-stomping porn. Hiroshima, anyone? ), do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over, say, werewolves? Not that there's a meaning, per se, but reasons?</p></div>
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<tokenext>This seems a bit of a stretch , since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Well , that 's sort of the point : people are ambivalent about it .
Remember when cell phones were catching on , and so many people were like , " I 'm never getting a cell phone !
" " I saw a person in the grocery store today talking to their wife on a cell phone talking about what food to buy !
What a waste .
" It 's that way for all new technology .
It 's the whole fear of change thing.Seems more likely a personification of fear of death .
However , I personally do n't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it .
Some things do n't have a deeper meaning.I agree with you about the 'fear of death ' interpretation .
To me , it 's always an interesting question , " why is * this * popular and not * that * ?
" If you can buy that Godzilla = Atomic bomb ( the fist Godzilla movie is basically Godzilla , wakened in the pacific by nuclear testing , smashes an entire city .
It 's building-stomping porn .
Hiroshima , anyone ?
) , do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over , say , werewolves ?
Not that there 's a meaning , per se , but reasons ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems a bit of a stretch, since Americans embrace Science and Technology readily.Well, that's sort of the point: people are ambivalent about it.
Remember when cell phones were catching on, and so many people were like, "I'm never getting a cell phone!
" "I saw a person in the grocery store today talking to their wife on a cell phone talking about what food to buy!
What a waste.
" It's that way for all new technology.
It's the whole fear of change thing.Seems more likely a personification of fear of death.
However, I personally don't lend much credence to these mumbo-jumbo pseudo scientific explanations of things people do for the sheer fun of it.
Some things don't have a deeper meaning.I agree with you about the 'fear of death' interpretation.
To me, it's always an interesting question, "why is *this* popular and not *that*?
" If you can buy that Godzilla = Atomic bomb ( the fist Godzilla movie is basically Godzilla, wakened in the pacific by nuclear testing, smashes an entire city.
It's building-stomping porn.
Hiroshima, anyone?
), do you think there might be discernible reasons why zombies and vampires get so much popular attention over, say, werewolves?
Not that there's a meaning, per se, but reasons?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938153</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>cas2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256996220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Skynet was an "evil computer", but HAL wasn't.  HAL just had conflicting programming that resulted in him killing anyone he perceived as threatening the secret mission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Skynet was an " evil computer " , but HAL was n't .
HAL just had conflicting programming that resulted in him killing anyone he perceived as threatening the secret mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skynet was an "evil computer", but HAL wasn't.
HAL just had conflicting programming that resulted in him killing anyone he perceived as threatening the secret mission.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937871</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS</title>
	<author>ruiner13</author>
	<datestamp>1256992920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then they'll come back (they always come back<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p></div><p>that's because you didn't shoot them in the head!  Double-tap, man!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Then they 'll come back ( they always come back ... ) that 's because you did n't shoot them in the head !
Double-tap , man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then they'll come back (they always come back ...)that's because you didn't shoot them in the head!
Double-tap, man!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29942159</id>
	<title>Re:no, no. the real reason...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257095760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you live in Australia!<br>Left4Dead 2 was just banned here due to the extreme levels of realistic violence in the game.  Apparently shooting zombies is realistic, if they bleed, but not if they don't.<br>I'm still pretty raw about that.  I digress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you live in Australia ! Left4Dead 2 was just banned here due to the extreme levels of realistic violence in the game .
Apparently shooting zombies is realistic , if they bleed , but not if they do n't.I 'm still pretty raw about that .
I digress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you live in Australia!Left4Dead 2 was just banned here due to the extreme levels of realistic violence in the game.
Apparently shooting zombies is realistic, if they bleed, but not if they don't.I'm still pretty raw about that.
I digress.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937417</id>
	<title>Incidentally.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This entry belongs in Idle, which incidentally is perused exclusively by zombies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This entry belongs in Idle , which incidentally is perused exclusively by zombies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This entry belongs in Idle, which incidentally is perused exclusively by zombies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937919</id>
	<title>Profoundly Wrong</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1256993520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies in no way personify a fear of science and technology.  They personify a fear of the elderly.  Every American I have ever known to be preoccupied with zombies is a young person.  The monsters of elderly Americans' generations were King Kong (Blacks) and, before that, Dracula (Jews).</p><p>Zombies are catatonic, un-dead creatures that forcibly feast on the brains of the living in the same way that elderly Americans forcibly rob younger generations of progress, instead co-opting the best and brightest to work to extend their lives indefinitely, turning them into zombies as well in an unsustainable, exponentially-growing process.</p><p>"You'll eat your young." --some American</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies in no way personify a fear of science and technology .
They personify a fear of the elderly .
Every American I have ever known to be preoccupied with zombies is a young person .
The monsters of elderly Americans ' generations were King Kong ( Blacks ) and , before that , Dracula ( Jews ) .Zombies are catatonic , un-dead creatures that forcibly feast on the brains of the living in the same way that elderly Americans forcibly rob younger generations of progress , instead co-opting the best and brightest to work to extend their lives indefinitely , turning them into zombies as well in an unsustainable , exponentially-growing process .
" You 'll eat your young .
" --some American</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies in no way personify a fear of science and technology.
They personify a fear of the elderly.
Every American I have ever known to be preoccupied with zombies is a young person.
The monsters of elderly Americans' generations were King Kong (Blacks) and, before that, Dracula (Jews).Zombies are catatonic, un-dead creatures that forcibly feast on the brains of the living in the same way that elderly Americans forcibly rob younger generations of progress, instead co-opting the best and brightest to work to extend their lives indefinitely, turning them into zombies as well in an unsustainable, exponentially-growing process.
"You'll eat your young.
" --some American</sentencetext>
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	<title>uuuhhh....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Braiiiiinnns.... uhhhh....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Braiiiiinnns.... uhhhh... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Braiiiiinnns.... uhhhh....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937515</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>hibiki\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1256988720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do?</p><p>Are you from that legendary coastal America? Because around here, people don't know that the word theory has two different meanings, and distrust anything that wasn't invented when they were in their 20s. Just today I saw a woman, probably in her 60s, step back from a touch screen, claiming that she didn't trust the machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do ? Are you from that legendary coastal America ?
Because around here , people do n't know that the word theory has two different meanings , and distrust anything that was n't invented when they were in their 20s .
Just today I saw a woman , probably in her 60s , step back from a touch screen , claiming that she did n't trust the machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do?Are you from that legendary coastal America?
Because around here, people don't know that the word theory has two different meanings, and distrust anything that wasn't invented when they were in their 20s.
Just today I saw a woman, probably in her 60s, step back from a touch screen, claiming that she didn't trust the machine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938395</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1256998440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fear of death? Personally, I would much prefer to be undead than dead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fear of death ?
Personally , I would much prefer to be undead than dead ; p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fear of death?
Personally, I would much prefer to be undead than dead ;p</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938223</id>
	<title>Common in early zombie movies, but we've moved on.</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256996880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of all the examples he could have chosen, he chose zombies? In most films, if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film, it's usual mystical or related to disease or something (as the writer cedes).</p></div><p>Mystical elements were big in <em>early</em> films featuring zombies, but "Night of the Living Dead" has thrust the zombie <em>apocalypse</em> genre firmly into the sci-fi horror camp ever since.  You generally don't see masses of zombie hordes bringing an end to civilization in mystical zombie films because that kind of zombie is rarely self-propogating, and a true zombie apocalypse requires that.</p><p>Ever since "Night of the Living Dead," the causes of zombie horror have mostly been either due to scientific experiments gone wrong or due to disasters caused by the march of science and technology.  Let's look at a few:</p><ul><li>Night of the Living Dead - Radiation from an exploded space probe.</li><li>Dawn of the Dead - No one knows the source of the plague, but the impotence of science to do anything is part of the collapse of authority.</li><li>Day of the Dead - The protagonists are a military/scientific team trying to reverse the plague from the above film.  The head of the lab is a classic amoral scientist.</li><li>Hell of the Living Dead - Leak of a chemical actually <em>intended</em> to turn people in third-world countries into zombies to have them eat each other.</li><li>Night of the Comet - Weird space comet turns people who see it to dust or into zombies.  Scientists were aware of the coming problem and are trying to find a solution.</li><li>Revenge of the Living Dead series - A fictional synthetic sounding gas called "Trioxin."  Series features military cover ups, evil corporations, and in one of its worst sequels drug abuse.</li><li>Braindead - Disease-carrying animal brought back from the jungle to a zoo.  A well-intentioned idiot keeps the initial zombies under control with injections.</li><li>Zombi 2 - Like the last movie, the plague is exposed to the world thanks to a researcher sticking his nose into unexplored territory.</li><li>28 Days Later - Not about full zombies, but the origin of the apocalyptic plague is a man-made virus escaped from a research lab -- thanks to animal rights activists, a double-whammy for people the public doesn't trust.</li><li>Resident Evil series - Biological weapon experiments by a pharmaceutical company run by madmen out to trigger the next stage of human evolution.</li><li>Dead Rising - Central American research facility intended to research a way to mass-produce cattle instead engineers wasps that can implant zombifying parasites.  (Boy if <em>that</em> isn't an abuse of grant money, I don't know what is!)</li><li>House of the Dead - While there's a lot of tarot themes, the source of the outbreak is a mad biologist funded by an evil corporation.</li></ul><p>Anyway, this list isn't comprehensive, but I'd say that in most movies either:  (a) the plague is the result of scientists' actions usually on behalf of the military or an evil corporation, or (b) the cause for the outbreak is a natural disaster / unexplained and a part of the background of the movie is the inability of those in power (including scientists) to do anything about the situation.</p><p>Unexplained plagues are becoming far more common in the past two decades as the zombie apocalypse has become and established genre, and movie-goers don't really feel a need for an explanation for the setup.  After all, these stories are <b>really</b> about the collapse of civilization, a more bloody version of Lord of the Flies.</p><p>Science being dangerous isn't all that important to the genre anymore, just like the Godzilla films stopped being about atomic horror long, long ago and started being more about cool giant monsters duking it out over a city.  It's important to genre in the 60s-90s, but it's not such a big deal anymore.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Of all the examples he could have chosen , he chose zombies ?
In most films , if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film , it 's usual mystical or related to disease or something ( as the writer cedes ) .Mystical elements were big in early films featuring zombies , but " Night of the Living Dead " has thrust the zombie apocalypse genre firmly into the sci-fi horror camp ever since .
You generally do n't see masses of zombie hordes bringing an end to civilization in mystical zombie films because that kind of zombie is rarely self-propogating , and a true zombie apocalypse requires that.Ever since " Night of the Living Dead , " the causes of zombie horror have mostly been either due to scientific experiments gone wrong or due to disasters caused by the march of science and technology .
Let 's look at a few : Night of the Living Dead - Radiation from an exploded space probe.Dawn of the Dead - No one knows the source of the plague , but the impotence of science to do anything is part of the collapse of authority.Day of the Dead - The protagonists are a military/scientific team trying to reverse the plague from the above film .
The head of the lab is a classic amoral scientist.Hell of the Living Dead - Leak of a chemical actually intended to turn people in third-world countries into zombies to have them eat each other.Night of the Comet - Weird space comet turns people who see it to dust or into zombies .
Scientists were aware of the coming problem and are trying to find a solution.Revenge of the Living Dead series - A fictional synthetic sounding gas called " Trioxin .
" Series features military cover ups , evil corporations , and in one of its worst sequels drug abuse.Braindead - Disease-carrying animal brought back from the jungle to a zoo .
A well-intentioned idiot keeps the initial zombies under control with injections.Zombi 2 - Like the last movie , the plague is exposed to the world thanks to a researcher sticking his nose into unexplored territory.28 Days Later - Not about full zombies , but the origin of the apocalyptic plague is a man-made virus escaped from a research lab -- thanks to animal rights activists , a double-whammy for people the public does n't trust.Resident Evil series - Biological weapon experiments by a pharmaceutical company run by madmen out to trigger the next stage of human evolution.Dead Rising - Central American research facility intended to research a way to mass-produce cattle instead engineers wasps that can implant zombifying parasites .
( Boy if that is n't an abuse of grant money , I do n't know what is !
) House of the Dead - While there 's a lot of tarot themes , the source of the outbreak is a mad biologist funded by an evil corporation.Anyway , this list is n't comprehensive , but I 'd say that in most movies either : ( a ) the plague is the result of scientists ' actions usually on behalf of the military or an evil corporation , or ( b ) the cause for the outbreak is a natural disaster / unexplained and a part of the background of the movie is the inability of those in power ( including scientists ) to do anything about the situation.Unexplained plagues are becoming far more common in the past two decades as the zombie apocalypse has become and established genre , and movie-goers do n't really feel a need for an explanation for the setup .
After all , these stories are really about the collapse of civilization , a more bloody version of Lord of the Flies.Science being dangerous is n't all that important to the genre anymore , just like the Godzilla films stopped being about atomic horror long , long ago and started being more about cool giant monsters duking it out over a city .
It 's important to genre in the 60s-90s , but it 's not such a big deal anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of all the examples he could have chosen, he chose zombies?
In most films, if there is an explanation for their existence of the zombies in the film, it's usual mystical or related to disease or something (as the writer cedes).Mystical elements were big in early films featuring zombies, but "Night of the Living Dead" has thrust the zombie apocalypse genre firmly into the sci-fi horror camp ever since.
You generally don't see masses of zombie hordes bringing an end to civilization in mystical zombie films because that kind of zombie is rarely self-propogating, and a true zombie apocalypse requires that.Ever since "Night of the Living Dead," the causes of zombie horror have mostly been either due to scientific experiments gone wrong or due to disasters caused by the march of science and technology.
Let's look at a few:Night of the Living Dead - Radiation from an exploded space probe.Dawn of the Dead - No one knows the source of the plague, but the impotence of science to do anything is part of the collapse of authority.Day of the Dead - The protagonists are a military/scientific team trying to reverse the plague from the above film.
The head of the lab is a classic amoral scientist.Hell of the Living Dead - Leak of a chemical actually intended to turn people in third-world countries into zombies to have them eat each other.Night of the Comet - Weird space comet turns people who see it to dust or into zombies.
Scientists were aware of the coming problem and are trying to find a solution.Revenge of the Living Dead series - A fictional synthetic sounding gas called "Trioxin.
"  Series features military cover ups, evil corporations, and in one of its worst sequels drug abuse.Braindead - Disease-carrying animal brought back from the jungle to a zoo.
A well-intentioned idiot keeps the initial zombies under control with injections.Zombi 2 - Like the last movie, the plague is exposed to the world thanks to a researcher sticking his nose into unexplored territory.28 Days Later - Not about full zombies, but the origin of the apocalyptic plague is a man-made virus escaped from a research lab -- thanks to animal rights activists, a double-whammy for people the public doesn't trust.Resident Evil series - Biological weapon experiments by a pharmaceutical company run by madmen out to trigger the next stage of human evolution.Dead Rising - Central American research facility intended to research a way to mass-produce cattle instead engineers wasps that can implant zombifying parasites.
(Boy if that isn't an abuse of grant money, I don't know what is!
)House of the Dead - While there's a lot of tarot themes, the source of the outbreak is a mad biologist funded by an evil corporation.Anyway, this list isn't comprehensive, but I'd say that in most movies either:  (a) the plague is the result of scientists' actions usually on behalf of the military or an evil corporation, or (b) the cause for the outbreak is a natural disaster / unexplained and a part of the background of the movie is the inability of those in power (including scientists) to do anything about the situation.Unexplained plagues are becoming far more common in the past two decades as the zombie apocalypse has become and established genre, and movie-goers don't really feel a need for an explanation for the setup.
After all, these stories are really about the collapse of civilization, a more bloody version of Lord of the Flies.Science being dangerous isn't all that important to the genre anymore, just like the Godzilla films stopped being about atomic horror long, long ago and started being more about cool giant monsters duking it out over a city.
It's important to genre in the 60s-90s, but it's not such a big deal anymore.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940389</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Zalminen</author>
	<datestamp>1257071100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...And if the common folk did decide to open up a recent grave then the sight would do nothing to allay their fears.
<br> <br>
After 1-2 weeks the corpse is all bloated and as the blood unclots again it's oozing out from every orifice....</htmltext>
<tokenext>...And if the common folk did decide to open up a recent grave then the sight would do nothing to allay their fears .
After 1-2 weeks the corpse is all bloated and as the blood unclots again it 's oozing out from every orifice... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...And if the common folk did decide to open up a recent grave then the sight would do nothing to allay their fears.
After 1-2 weeks the corpse is all bloated and as the blood unclots again it's oozing out from every orifice....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938809</id>
	<title>"brains, brains, brains"?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1257002880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you mean "braaainzzzzzzz..."?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you mean " braaainzzzzzzz... " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you mean "braaainzzzzzzz..."?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937459</id>
	<title>Or maybe...</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... you just needed a convenient enemy for an FPS? Something in the uncanny valley that is human-like but not quite human that the average person will feel compelled to blow away?</p><p>So now you've decided on zombies, you've got to figure out how they were created so the plot makes sense. Supernatural, or science. If science, pick from alien technology, radiation, biological means, or something a bit more wacky - other dimension, your large Hadron collider malfunctions, I don't know.</p><p>There are only so many explanations the public will buy to sate their desire to blow away not-quite-human things. You have to pick one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... you just needed a convenient enemy for an FPS ?
Something in the uncanny valley that is human-like but not quite human that the average person will feel compelled to blow away ? So now you 've decided on zombies , you 've got to figure out how they were created so the plot makes sense .
Supernatural , or science .
If science , pick from alien technology , radiation , biological means , or something a bit more wacky - other dimension , your large Hadron collider malfunctions , I do n't know.There are only so many explanations the public will buy to sate their desire to blow away not-quite-human things .
You have to pick one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... you just needed a convenient enemy for an FPS?
Something in the uncanny valley that is human-like but not quite human that the average person will feel compelled to blow away?So now you've decided on zombies, you've got to figure out how they were created so the plot makes sense.
Supernatural, or science.
If science, pick from alien technology, radiation, biological means, or something a bit more wacky - other dimension, your large Hadron collider malfunctions, I don't know.There are only so many explanations the public will buy to sate their desire to blow away not-quite-human things.
You have to pick one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29943956</id>
	<title>crowds and power</title>
	<author>slorbius</author>
	<datestamp>1257068040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you take any of Elias Canetti's ideas seriously zombies can be seen as the modern version of our ancient fear of out groups. The Dead is the biggest and oldest group of 'others' that can be found. Canetti said there was an inherent fear in people that everyone who ever died was sitting around somewhere, in a giant group with malevolent intent. Despite being modern and civilised and having overcome a lot of our hard wired beliefs, the popularity of zombie films (and the fact that a single zombie is never scary) bears him out.

That's not the interesting thing about zombie films though. The most interesting thing in zombie films for me is how the zombies become a single minded  thing, basically one giant organism, while the humans become even more individual. I haven't seen a zombie film where every major plot event didn't come out of one of the characters personal strengths or weaknesses. The zombies are usually just a predictable, avoidable, slow moving force that brings the main characters into relief.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you take any of Elias Canetti 's ideas seriously zombies can be seen as the modern version of our ancient fear of out groups .
The Dead is the biggest and oldest group of 'others ' that can be found .
Canetti said there was an inherent fear in people that everyone who ever died was sitting around somewhere , in a giant group with malevolent intent .
Despite being modern and civilised and having overcome a lot of our hard wired beliefs , the popularity of zombie films ( and the fact that a single zombie is never scary ) bears him out .
That 's not the interesting thing about zombie films though .
The most interesting thing in zombie films for me is how the zombies become a single minded thing , basically one giant organism , while the humans become even more individual .
I have n't seen a zombie film where every major plot event did n't come out of one of the characters personal strengths or weaknesses .
The zombies are usually just a predictable , avoidable , slow moving force that brings the main characters into relief .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you take any of Elias Canetti's ideas seriously zombies can be seen as the modern version of our ancient fear of out groups.
The Dead is the biggest and oldest group of 'others' that can be found.
Canetti said there was an inherent fear in people that everyone who ever died was sitting around somewhere, in a giant group with malevolent intent.
Despite being modern and civilised and having overcome a lot of our hard wired beliefs, the popularity of zombie films (and the fact that a single zombie is never scary) bears him out.
That's not the interesting thing about zombie films though.
The most interesting thing in zombie films for me is how the zombies become a single minded  thing, basically one giant organism, while the humans become even more individual.
I haven't seen a zombie film where every major plot event didn't come out of one of the characters personal strengths or weaknesses.
The zombies are usually just a predictable, avoidable, slow moving force that brings the main characters into relief.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939093</id>
	<title>Re:umm....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257006480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism?</p></div><p>Only if you're a fucking idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.</p><p>Perhaps if you actually <i>watched</i> the movie, you might understand realityimpaired's comment in context, rather than picking his one single example and assuming there was no other subtext or reason he made his statements.</p><p>Of course, doing that would prevent you from looking like an ass on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., which it seems is your primary goal.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism ? Only if you 're a fucking idiot who has no idea what he 's talking about.Perhaps if you actually watched the movie , you might understand realityimpaired 's comment in context , rather than picking his one single example and assuming there was no other subtext or reason he made his statements.Of course , doing that would prevent you from looking like an ass on /. , which it seems is your primary goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So any film that shows people holed up in a business during a time of crisis is meant to convey a disdain for commercialism?Only if you're a fucking idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.Perhaps if you actually watched the movie, you might understand realityimpaired's comment in context, rather than picking his one single example and assuming there was no other subtext or reason he made his statements.Of course, doing that would prevent you from looking like an ass on /., which it seems is your primary goal.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939351</id>
	<title>Fear of our own animal nature?</title>
	<author>SaXisT4LiF</author>
	<datestamp>1257009900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't t that zombies represent our fear of science and technology, but rather the lack of them.  We're afraid of what would happen if mankind were to revert back to a primitive state of being.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't t that zombies represent our fear of science and technology , but rather the lack of them .
We 're afraid of what would happen if mankind were to revert back to a primitive state of being .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't t that zombies represent our fear of science and technology, but rather the lack of them.
We're afraid of what would happen if mankind were to revert back to a primitive state of being.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940685</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1257077580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Defined sensitized.</p></div><p>I don't think I need to. You pretty much got it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Defined sensitized.I do n't think I need to .
You pretty much got it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Defined sensitized.I don't think I need to.
You pretty much got it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938709</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>Penguinshit</author>
	<datestamp>1257001380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or <i>Karn Evil 9</i>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Karn Evil 9.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or Karn Evil 9...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939123</id>
	<title>in fact, our monsters need ray ban, not a gravedig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257006900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would absolutely have to say that Vampires run the shit in the USA.  When was the last time you saw a zombie on the cover of People?  I can't buy gum without seeing a goddamned vampire playing to the sexaholic tween behind me in line.  Not saying, i'm just saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would absolutely have to say that Vampires run the shit in the USA .
When was the last time you saw a zombie on the cover of People ?
I ca n't buy gum without seeing a goddamned vampire playing to the sexaholic tween behind me in line .
Not saying , i 'm just saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would absolutely have to say that Vampires run the shit in the USA.
When was the last time you saw a zombie on the cover of People?
I can't buy gum without seeing a goddamned vampire playing to the sexaholic tween behind me in line.
Not saying, i'm just saying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937833</id>
	<title>Brains?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm dressed as a zombie right now and I'm looking for head!  Head!  HEAD!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm dressed as a zombie right now and I 'm looking for head !
Head ! HEAD ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm dressed as a zombie right now and I'm looking for head!
Head!  HEAD!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937701</id>
	<title>Re:A real zombie plague is coming</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1256990400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a ridiculous over-analysis, cell phones are pretty much a natural combination of the telephone, radios and miniaturization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a ridiculous over-analysis , cell phones are pretty much a natural combination of the telephone , radios and miniaturization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a ridiculous over-analysis, cell phones are pretty much a natural combination of the telephone, radios and miniaturization.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938105</id>
	<title>Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar</title>
	<author>V50</author>
	<datestamp>1256995620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in University, I once had some leftist student try to convince me that Batman was evil, using a Marxist analysis. That is, he's a rich man, who tries to keep the poor of Gotham down under his boot by going out at night, scaring beating the crap out of the proletariat for daring to stand up to him and his exploitive, capitalist parents.</p><p>While rather amusing (I don't think he was fully serious, I hope), the truth is, you can see whatever as a metaphor/representation/whatever of anything you want, but at the end of the day, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.</p><p>Zombies are cool cause they eat people. That's my analysis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in University , I once had some leftist student try to convince me that Batman was evil , using a Marxist analysis .
That is , he 's a rich man , who tries to keep the poor of Gotham down under his boot by going out at night , scaring beating the crap out of the proletariat for daring to stand up to him and his exploitive , capitalist parents.While rather amusing ( I do n't think he was fully serious , I hope ) , the truth is , you can see whatever as a metaphor/representation/whatever of anything you want , but at the end of the day , sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.Zombies are cool cause they eat people .
That 's my analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in University, I once had some leftist student try to convince me that Batman was evil, using a Marxist analysis.
That is, he's a rich man, who tries to keep the poor of Gotham down under his boot by going out at night, scaring beating the crap out of the proletariat for daring to stand up to him and his exploitive, capitalist parents.While rather amusing (I don't think he was fully serious, I hope), the truth is, you can see whatever as a metaphor/representation/whatever of anything you want, but at the end of the day, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.Zombies are cool cause they eat people.
That's my analysis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938321</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Science and Technology?</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1256997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>She had the right reaction; but for all the wrong reasons. It's the megolithic uncaring corporation at the other end of the machine which she should fear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>She had the right reaction ; but for all the wrong reasons .
It 's the megolithic uncaring corporation at the other end of the machine which she should fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She had the right reaction; but for all the wrong reasons.
It's the megolithic uncaring corporation at the other end of the machine which she should fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29943492</id>
	<title>Re:Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar</title>
	<author>wrecked</author>
	<datestamp>1257108420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not just your friend who has spotted that fascist subtext to mainstream superheroes like Batman.  Other writers have explored this issue in Planetary, The Authority, The Boys (especially the Boys), Watchmen, and Superman: Red Son.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just your friend who has spotted that fascist subtext to mainstream superheroes like Batman .
Other writers have explored this issue in Planetary , The Authority , The Boys ( especially the Boys ) , Watchmen , and Superman : Red Son .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just your friend who has spotted that fascist subtext to mainstream superheroes like Batman.
Other writers have explored this issue in Planetary, The Authority, The Boys (especially the Boys), Watchmen, and Superman: Red Son.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937573</id>
	<title>Re:Not necessarily of US origin..</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1256989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, I correct myself ; FilmFour just picked up the distribution rights for the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , I correct myself ; FilmFour just picked up the distribution rights for the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, I correct myself ; FilmFour just picked up the distribution rights for the UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937891</id>
	<title>Re:A real zombie plague is coming</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256993040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just like how people's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today, some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon. We've seen this theme in movies several times. If it's at all possible, it will happen sooner or later.</p></div><p>Except that cellphones are <em>useful</em> and biological weapons are <em>incredibly stupid</em>.  Unlike radioactive or chemical weapons, highly contagious biological weapons are the only ones that guarantee an enemy's ability to retaliate in kind and that guarantee that allies and neutral parties will be harmed.  Creating a zombie plague would is the kind of thing that only a total misanthrope out to destroy civilization would try -- not a military organization or even a terrorist group.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like how people 's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today , some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon .
We 've seen this theme in movies several times .
If it 's at all possible , it will happen sooner or later.Except that cellphones are useful and biological weapons are incredibly stupid .
Unlike radioactive or chemical weapons , highly contagious biological weapons are the only ones that guarantee an enemy 's ability to retaliate in kind and that guarantee that allies and neutral parties will be harmed .
Creating a zombie plague would is the kind of thing that only a total misanthrope out to destroy civilization would try -- not a military organization or even a terrorist group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like how people's love of Star Trek led geeky engineers to develop the real cell phones we have today, some researchers must be working on development of a real zombie virus to use as a military weapon.
We've seen this theme in movies several times.
If it's at all possible, it will happen sooner or later.Except that cellphones are useful and biological weapons are incredibly stupid.
Unlike radioactive or chemical weapons, highly contagious biological weapons are the only ones that guarantee an enemy's ability to retaliate in kind and that guarantee that allies and neutral parties will be harmed.
Creating a zombie plague would is the kind of thing that only a total misanthrope out to destroy civilization would try -- not a military organization or even a terrorist group.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937513</id>
	<title>Oh, FFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies are <b>fun</b>.  They're fun for costumes, they're fun as horror movie bad guys, they're fun to blow away in video games.</p><p>Pirates and ninjas and vampires are fun, too, but they've been overexposed.  Zombies are about to go the same way, I suspect, and they'll drop off the cultural radar screen for a while.  Then they'll come back (they <b>always</b> come back<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) after people have gone through a few more cycles of archetype-of-the-week.</p><p>That's really all the explanation needed.  Trying to read some deep cultural significance into what monsters are popular at the moment is almost always a fool's game.  Even Godzilla very quickly outgrew its origins as a nuclear metaphor, and just became a fun monster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies are fun .
They 're fun for costumes , they 're fun as horror movie bad guys , they 're fun to blow away in video games.Pirates and ninjas and vampires are fun , too , but they 've been overexposed .
Zombies are about to go the same way , I suspect , and they 'll drop off the cultural radar screen for a while .
Then they 'll come back ( they always come back ... ) after people have gone through a few more cycles of archetype-of-the-week.That 's really all the explanation needed .
Trying to read some deep cultural significance into what monsters are popular at the moment is almost always a fool 's game .
Even Godzilla very quickly outgrew its origins as a nuclear metaphor , and just became a fun monster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies are fun.
They're fun for costumes, they're fun as horror movie bad guys, they're fun to blow away in video games.Pirates and ninjas and vampires are fun, too, but they've been overexposed.
Zombies are about to go the same way, I suspect, and they'll drop off the cultural radar screen for a while.
Then they'll come back (they always come back ...) after people have gone through a few more cycles of archetype-of-the-week.That's really all the explanation needed.
Trying to read some deep cultural significance into what monsters are popular at the moment is almost always a fool's game.
Even Godzilla very quickly outgrew its origins as a nuclear metaphor, and just became a fun monster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29945934</id>
	<title>Zombies rawk</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1257083880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't fear zombies at  all. I hope we are invaded and eaten because modern society sucks. We spend most of our 80 years of life doing completely insignificant things. A zombie invasion would wipe all this nonsense out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't fear zombies at all .
I hope we are invaded and eaten because modern society sucks .
We spend most of our 80 years of life doing completely insignificant things .
A zombie invasion would wipe all this nonsense out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't fear zombies at  all.
I hope we are invaded and eaten because modern society sucks.
We spend most of our 80 years of life doing completely insignificant things.
A zombie invasion would wipe all this nonsense out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938245</id>
	<title>Re:umm....</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1256997060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And you don't see shopping malls as a scary distorted implementation of technology? Hordes of mindless beings shambling from one location to another barely aware of their actions. And don't get me started on the employees in the food court; or the disturbed scientific experiments in nutrition.<br> <br> Shopping malls are <b>NOT</b> natural!</htmltext>
<tokenext>And you do n't see shopping malls as a scary distorted implementation of technology ?
Hordes of mindless beings shambling from one location to another barely aware of their actions .
And do n't get me started on the employees in the food court ; or the disturbed scientific experiments in nutrition .
Shopping malls are NOT natural !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you don't see shopping malls as a scary distorted implementation of technology?
Hordes of mindless beings shambling from one location to another barely aware of their actions.
And don't get me started on the employees in the food court; or the disturbed scientific experiments in nutrition.
Shopping malls are NOT natural!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937907</id>
	<title>That's not scary</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1256993280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852\_3-10387699-71.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">This is scary.</a> [cnet.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is scary .
[ cnet.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is scary.
[cnet.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938301</id>
	<title>Re:Frankenstein?</title>
	<author>blyloveranger</author>
	<datestamp>1256997540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Frankenstein is, in every iteration, a creation of humanity</p></div><p>I agree whole-heartedly.  You can only watch Mr. and Mrs. Frankenstein do it so many times before you begin to think, "Enough already.  I get it.  Dr. Frankenstein was a creation of humanity.  Now stop showing Dr. Frankstein's ugly-ass parents having sex and start showing Dr. Frankstein create the monster."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankenstein is , in every iteration , a creation of humanityI agree whole-heartedly .
You can only watch Mr. and Mrs. Frankenstein do it so many times before you begin to think , " Enough already .
I get it .
Dr. Frankenstein was a creation of humanity .
Now stop showing Dr. Frankstein 's ugly-ass parents having sex and start showing Dr. Frankstein create the monster .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankenstein is, in every iteration, a creation of humanityI agree whole-heartedly.
You can only watch Mr. and Mrs. Frankenstein do it so many times before you begin to think, "Enough already.
I get it.
Dr. Frankenstein was a creation of humanity.
Now stop showing Dr. Frankstein's ugly-ass parents having sex and start showing Dr. Frankstein create the monster.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940733</id>
	<title>zombies are you</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1257078360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see zombies as being everyone around me, and the joy of surviving by having to kill everyone around me.</p><p>I mean, it's a symptom of stress, and when your stressed, you wish everyone was zombies...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see zombies as being everyone around me , and the joy of surviving by having to kill everyone around me.I mean , it 's a symptom of stress , and when your stressed , you wish everyone was zombies.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see zombies as being everyone around me, and the joy of surviving by having to kill everyone around me.I mean, it's a symptom of stress, and when your stressed, you wish everyone was zombies...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29944958</id>
	<title>The zombies represent the audience.</title>
	<author>for(;;);</author>
	<datestamp>1257074820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever seen Romero's batshit film <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082622/" title="imdb.com">Knightriders</a> [imdb.com]?  It was his first big studio film.  It's about a traveling jousting troupe that rides motorcycles instead of horses.  (It's also a fucking disaster of a movie -- watch The Crazies if you want more good early Romero.)</p><p>Anyway, these biker-jousters live noble lives, going from town to town to perform these great honorable jousting acts.  And what are their audiences like?  Brainless, artless, drunken idiots; people who live with no purpose, no ethics, and no honor.  The people in the biker-jousting shows are zombies.</p><p>This, I claim, cracks the code of Romero's zombie metaphors.  In Night and Dawn, the living survivors holed up in the house/mall represent Romero himself and his film crew -- people attempting to be aware of their own existences, and attempting to bring meaning to their lives, and generally trying to live fully.  We, the audience, vicariously live by watching their movies; we live by feasting on their ideas.  We're the zombies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever seen Romero 's batshit film Knightriders [ imdb.com ] ?
It was his first big studio film .
It 's about a traveling jousting troupe that rides motorcycles instead of horses .
( It 's also a fucking disaster of a movie -- watch The Crazies if you want more good early Romero .
) Anyway , these biker-jousters live noble lives , going from town to town to perform these great honorable jousting acts .
And what are their audiences like ?
Brainless , artless , drunken idiots ; people who live with no purpose , no ethics , and no honor .
The people in the biker-jousting shows are zombies.This , I claim , cracks the code of Romero 's zombie metaphors .
In Night and Dawn , the living survivors holed up in the house/mall represent Romero himself and his film crew -- people attempting to be aware of their own existences , and attempting to bring meaning to their lives , and generally trying to live fully .
We , the audience , vicariously live by watching their movies ; we live by feasting on their ideas .
We 're the zombies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever seen Romero's batshit film Knightriders [imdb.com]?
It was his first big studio film.
It's about a traveling jousting troupe that rides motorcycles instead of horses.
(It's also a fucking disaster of a movie -- watch The Crazies if you want more good early Romero.
)Anyway, these biker-jousters live noble lives, going from town to town to perform these great honorable jousting acts.
And what are their audiences like?
Brainless, artless, drunken idiots; people who live with no purpose, no ethics, and no honor.
The people in the biker-jousting shows are zombies.This, I claim, cracks the code of Romero's zombie metaphors.
In Night and Dawn, the living survivors holed up in the house/mall represent Romero himself and his film crew -- people attempting to be aware of their own existences, and attempting to bring meaning to their lives, and generally trying to live fully.
We, the audience, vicariously live by watching their movies; we live by feasting on their ideas.
We're the zombies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938199</id>
	<title>Re:Way to over-analyze, Forbes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256996700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adding to reasons you mention - vampires basically originate from slavic mythology (they were probably introduced to the western Europe by way of human trade in middle ages; for example, "nannies" of slavic descent were supposedly quite valued for some reason, so when they actually were left to care for children it's concievable they would tell some stories...)</p><p>And this was also the time of imposing Christianity on those regions. Very gradual of course; in Poland for example there is currently a widely held myth of "national baptism" in tenth century, when in reality this was of course a political gesture, even with Pagan Reaction in XI century (killing clergy, restoring old places of worship, forcing Christian ruler to escape, the usual; btw, he came back some years later and enforced new rules again with the help of borrowed German warriors...but don't mention that to most vivid current worshippers, they also often don't like Germans, they get confused<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)  ) and Christianity being mostly a facade even up to around XVII or XVIII century. A facade, but nonetheless with few <b>crucial</b> changes in officialy tolerated customs.</p><p>You see, Pagan Slavs generally burned their dead. Leaving a body to slowly decompose was a big no-no. But it was one of essential things back then for Christianity. A very potent recipe for greatly elevated fears of dead returning to life that you mention (also because at the beginning it was actually widely realised they didn't get "proper" burial)</p><p>PS. In a very twisted way, original poster has some point - religious circumstances helped greatly, perhaps it was even sometimes fear of the "old gods"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adding to reasons you mention - vampires basically originate from slavic mythology ( they were probably introduced to the western Europe by way of human trade in middle ages ; for example , " nannies " of slavic descent were supposedly quite valued for some reason , so when they actually were left to care for children it 's concievable they would tell some stories... ) And this was also the time of imposing Christianity on those regions .
Very gradual of course ; in Poland for example there is currently a widely held myth of " national baptism " in tenth century , when in reality this was of course a political gesture , even with Pagan Reaction in XI century ( killing clergy , restoring old places of worship , forcing Christian ruler to escape , the usual ; btw , he came back some years later and enforced new rules again with the help of borrowed German warriors...but do n't mention that to most vivid current worshippers , they also often do n't like Germans , they get confused ; ) ) and Christianity being mostly a facade even up to around XVII or XVIII century .
A facade , but nonetheless with few crucial changes in officialy tolerated customs.You see , Pagan Slavs generally burned their dead .
Leaving a body to slowly decompose was a big no-no .
But it was one of essential things back then for Christianity .
A very potent recipe for greatly elevated fears of dead returning to life that you mention ( also because at the beginning it was actually widely realised they did n't get " proper " burial ) PS .
In a very twisted way , original poster has some point - religious circumstances helped greatly , perhaps it was even sometimes fear of the " old gods " ; p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adding to reasons you mention - vampires basically originate from slavic mythology (they were probably introduced to the western Europe by way of human trade in middle ages; for example, "nannies" of slavic descent were supposedly quite valued for some reason, so when they actually were left to care for children it's concievable they would tell some stories...)And this was also the time of imposing Christianity on those regions.
Very gradual of course; in Poland for example there is currently a widely held myth of "national baptism" in tenth century, when in reality this was of course a political gesture, even with Pagan Reaction in XI century (killing clergy, restoring old places of worship, forcing Christian ruler to escape, the usual; btw, he came back some years later and enforced new rules again with the help of borrowed German warriors...but don't mention that to most vivid current worshippers, they also often don't like Germans, they get confused ;)  ) and Christianity being mostly a facade even up to around XVII or XVIII century.
A facade, but nonetheless with few crucial changes in officialy tolerated customs.You see, Pagan Slavs generally burned their dead.
Leaving a body to slowly decompose was a big no-no.
But it was one of essential things back then for Christianity.
A very potent recipe for greatly elevated fears of dead returning to life that you mention (also because at the beginning it was actually widely realised they didn't get "proper" burial)PS.
In a very twisted way, original poster has some point - religious circumstances helped greatly, perhaps it was even sometimes fear of the "old gods" ;p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937829</id>
	<title>Frankenstein?</title>
	<author>RyoShin</author>
	<datestamp>1256992440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>according to this essay over on Forbes.com, zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block, they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese: a personification of our fear of science and technology.</p></div></blockquote><p>I would have put that label upon Frankenstein.  While perhaps not of American creation (are zombies?), Frankenstein is as well known as Mickey Mouse.  And, as opposed to zombies, Frankenstein is, in every iteration, a creation of humanity; whereas Zombies can become as such thanks to any number of suddenly-unearthed virii.</p><p>I would say, though, that zombies strike more fear because they are more unknown.  In most versions, Frankenstein answers to someone or can be stopped by some repressed sense of humanity (or a woodchipper, whatever). Zombies, however, have a bloodlust that is rarely stopped short of a shotgun to the head.</p><p>But that might be the reason for the popularity of zombies currently: they have a much more versatile origination scenario than does Frankenstein.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>according to this essay over on Forbes.com , zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block , they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese : a personification of our fear of science and technology.I would have put that label upon Frankenstein .
While perhaps not of American creation ( are zombies ?
) , Frankenstein is as well known as Mickey Mouse .
And , as opposed to zombies , Frankenstein is , in every iteration , a creation of humanity ; whereas Zombies can become as such thanks to any number of suddenly-unearthed virii.I would say , though , that zombies strike more fear because they are more unknown .
In most versions , Frankenstein answers to someone or can be stopped by some repressed sense of humanity ( or a woodchipper , whatever ) .
Zombies , however , have a bloodlust that is rarely stopped short of a shotgun to the head.But that might be the reason for the popularity of zombies currently : they have a much more versatile origination scenario than does Frankenstein .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>according to this essay over on Forbes.com, zombies are more than just the trendy monster on the block, they are to Americans what Godzilla is to Japanese: a personification of our fear of science and technology.I would have put that label upon Frankenstein.
While perhaps not of American creation (are zombies?
), Frankenstein is as well known as Mickey Mouse.
And, as opposed to zombies, Frankenstein is, in every iteration, a creation of humanity; whereas Zombies can become as such thanks to any number of suddenly-unearthed virii.I would say, though, that zombies strike more fear because they are more unknown.
In most versions, Frankenstein answers to someone or can be stopped by some repressed sense of humanity (or a woodchipper, whatever).
Zombies, however, have a bloodlust that is rarely stopped short of a shotgun to the head.But that might be the reason for the popularity of zombies currently: they have a much more versatile origination scenario than does Frankenstein.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939079</id>
	<title>Complete Social Reboot...</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1257006300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a reason the zombie apocalypse has made such a come back... people wouldn't mind a reboot. Honestly, every time people feel the world (or at least their world) has gone to the crapper (politically, socially, economically), some sort of apocalyptic mythos springs forward.

Zombies as the main current mythos has a lot to do with actual animosity people hold for those they feel only take from society. They fantasize about it... about finally being rid of the 8-5 daily work schedule, about the mundane life. People would welcome a reboot so long as they would have the opportunity to fend for themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason the zombie apocalypse has made such a come back... people would n't mind a reboot .
Honestly , every time people feel the world ( or at least their world ) has gone to the crapper ( politically , socially , economically ) , some sort of apocalyptic mythos springs forward .
Zombies as the main current mythos has a lot to do with actual animosity people hold for those they feel only take from society .
They fantasize about it... about finally being rid of the 8-5 daily work schedule , about the mundane life .
People would welcome a reboot so long as they would have the opportunity to fend for themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason the zombie apocalypse has made such a come back... people wouldn't mind a reboot.
Honestly, every time people feel the world (or at least their world) has gone to the crapper (politically, socially, economically), some sort of apocalyptic mythos springs forward.
Zombies as the main current mythos has a lot to do with actual animosity people hold for those they feel only take from society.
They fantasize about it... about finally being rid of the 8-5 daily work schedule, about the mundane life.
People would welcome a reboot so long as they would have the opportunity to fend for themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29939145</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way I see it, the fear behind zombies is not of technology, but of civilization becoming uncivilized. It's frightening because it strikes at the heart of our resourcefulness; the way we solve other problems (teamwork, community effort) is not much use any more. We can build walls around our city to keep out the shadows that lurk in the forest, we can launch satellites with huge lasers to defend ourselves from aliens, but humanity is our own worst enemy and societal collapse would leave us defenseless. Our homes switch from being places of refuge to deathtraps.<br>Zombies behave a lot like irrational mobs. It seems to me like the fantasy plans that people (including many slashdotters, I'm sure) make for the zombie apocalypse could also be used during a time of complete social breakdown--either anarchy or totalitarian oppression enforced by depersonalized legions. So it seems reasonable to me that the fear underlying zombies is of a catastrophic unraveling of civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way I see it , the fear behind zombies is not of technology , but of civilization becoming uncivilized .
It 's frightening because it strikes at the heart of our resourcefulness ; the way we solve other problems ( teamwork , community effort ) is not much use any more .
We can build walls around our city to keep out the shadows that lurk in the forest , we can launch satellites with huge lasers to defend ourselves from aliens , but humanity is our own worst enemy and societal collapse would leave us defenseless .
Our homes switch from being places of refuge to deathtraps.Zombies behave a lot like irrational mobs .
It seems to me like the fantasy plans that people ( including many slashdotters , I 'm sure ) make for the zombie apocalypse could also be used during a time of complete social breakdown--either anarchy or totalitarian oppression enforced by depersonalized legions .
So it seems reasonable to me that the fear underlying zombies is of a catastrophic unraveling of civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way I see it, the fear behind zombies is not of technology, but of civilization becoming uncivilized.
It's frightening because it strikes at the heart of our resourcefulness; the way we solve other problems (teamwork, community effort) is not much use any more.
We can build walls around our city to keep out the shadows that lurk in the forest, we can launch satellites with huge lasers to defend ourselves from aliens, but humanity is our own worst enemy and societal collapse would leave us defenseless.
Our homes switch from being places of refuge to deathtraps.Zombies behave a lot like irrational mobs.
It seems to me like the fantasy plans that people (including many slashdotters, I'm sure) make for the zombie apocalypse could also be used during a time of complete social breakdown--either anarchy or totalitarian oppression enforced by depersonalized legions.
So it seems reasonable to me that the fear underlying zombies is of a catastrophic unraveling of civilization.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29940601</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Tech?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257075420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most recent zombie films are nothing but Libertarian propaganda. The zombies represent socialists, who want to make everyone equal by zombifying them. The heroes are right-wing ass-kickers who are just standing up for their right not to be zombified.</p><p>Contrast with vampire movies, which usually depicts poor farmers attempting to overthrow the rich, mansion-dwelling lord, who just happens to literally as well as metaphorically leech from them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most recent zombie films are nothing but Libertarian propaganda .
The zombies represent socialists , who want to make everyone equal by zombifying them .
The heroes are right-wing ass-kickers who are just standing up for their right not to be zombified.Contrast with vampire movies , which usually depicts poor farmers attempting to overthrow the rich , mansion-dwelling lord , who just happens to literally as well as metaphorically leech from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most recent zombie films are nothing but Libertarian propaganda.
The zombies represent socialists, who want to make everyone equal by zombifying them.
The heroes are right-wing ass-kickers who are just standing up for their right not to be zombified.Contrast with vampire movies, which usually depicts poor farmers attempting to overthrow the rich, mansion-dwelling lord, who just happens to literally as well as metaphorically leech from them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937791</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zombies are "perfect bad guys" (like Nazis).  No remorse needed when swinging the cricket bat...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zombies are " perfect bad guys " ( like Nazis ) .
No remorse needed when swinging the cricket bat.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zombies are "perfect bad guys" (like Nazis).
No remorse needed when swinging the cricket bat...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937423</id>
	<title>umm....</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1256987520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure that in Dawn of the Dead, Romero wasn't trying to convey a fear of new technology, but rather a disdain for commercialism.... the bulk of that movie took place in a shopping mall, fer cryin' out loud!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure that in Dawn of the Dead , Romero was n't trying to convey a fear of new technology , but rather a disdain for commercialism.... the bulk of that movie took place in a shopping mall , fer cryin ' out loud !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure that in Dawn of the Dead, Romero wasn't trying to convey a fear of new technology, but rather a disdain for commercialism.... the bulk of that movie took place in a shopping mall, fer cryin' out loud!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29947260</id>
	<title>Why does AVG anti virus block the forbes link??</title>
	<author>rentaslut</author>
	<datestamp>1257096480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone know why AVG blocks the Forbes link above?

Thanks,
Your Faithful zombie overlord.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone know why AVG blocks the Forbes link above ?
Thanks , Your Faithful zombie overlord .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know why AVG blocks the Forbes link above?
Thanks,
Your Faithful zombie overlord.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29938253</id>
	<title>Nope, try superhero origins</title>
	<author>Impeesa</author>
	<datestamp>1256997120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Superhero origins are far more representative, actually. Consider: Spiderman and the Hulk both get their powers from radiation in the 60s, and from genetic engineering in their more recent movie versions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Superhero origins are far more representative , actually .
Consider : Spiderman and the Hulk both get their powers from radiation in the 60s , and from genetic engineering in their more recent movie versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Superhero origins are far more representative, actually.
Consider: Spiderman and the Hulk both get their powers from radiation in the 60s, and from genetic engineering in their more recent movie versions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29949896</id>
	<title>Lost Civilization</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1257175500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I can tell Zombies are actually used in most movies as an "easy" excuse to remove civilization. It's always a Zombie armegeddon in the context of the story telling. They are nothing more then a hammer, a tool, to quickly eliminate the trappings of civilization so we can explore some wasteland. The zombies themselves are rarely the story, it is the survivors that matter and the fact there is no society, civilization, to support the survivors. The only real exception I have ever seen to this theory was Resident Evil where the outbreak was contained (Ignoring the God Aweful sequels...)</p><p>Quarintine wasn't event focused on the "infected" but rather commentary about the quarintine itself and it's repercussions on those being contained.</p><p>Vampires and their stories reflect on the vampires themselves. The typical villian horror flicks focus on the villians. Zombies... they have always been more of a prop then a character which makes them versitile in story telling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I can tell Zombies are actually used in most movies as an " easy " excuse to remove civilization .
It 's always a Zombie armegeddon in the context of the story telling .
They are nothing more then a hammer , a tool , to quickly eliminate the trappings of civilization so we can explore some wasteland .
The zombies themselves are rarely the story , it is the survivors that matter and the fact there is no society , civilization , to support the survivors .
The only real exception I have ever seen to this theory was Resident Evil where the outbreak was contained ( Ignoring the God Aweful sequels... ) Quarintine was n't event focused on the " infected " but rather commentary about the quarintine itself and it 's repercussions on those being contained.Vampires and their stories reflect on the vampires themselves .
The typical villian horror flicks focus on the villians .
Zombies... they have always been more of a prop then a character which makes them versitile in story telling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I can tell Zombies are actually used in most movies as an "easy" excuse to remove civilization.
It's always a Zombie armegeddon in the context of the story telling.
They are nothing more then a hammer, a tool, to quickly eliminate the trappings of civilization so we can explore some wasteland.
The zombies themselves are rarely the story, it is the survivors that matter and the fact there is no society, civilization, to support the survivors.
The only real exception I have ever seen to this theory was Resident Evil where the outbreak was contained (Ignoring the God Aweful sequels...)Quarintine wasn't event focused on the "infected" but rather commentary about the quarintine itself and it's repercussions on those being contained.Vampires and their stories reflect on the vampires themselves.
The typical villian horror flicks focus on the villians.
Zombies... they have always been more of a prop then a character which makes them versitile in story telling.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_31_2052230.29937943</id>
	<title>o rly?</title>
	<author>gandhi\_2</author>
	<datestamp>1256993760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What technologies are the focus in the original <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/" title="imdb.com">Night of the Living Dead</a> [imdb.com]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What technologies are the focus in the original Night of the Living Dead [ imdb.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What technologies are the focus in the original Night of the Living Dead [imdb.com]?</sentencetext>
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