<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_30_2317244</id>
	<title>Android 2.0 &mdash; Competition Against the iPhone and the Rest</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1256911500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>GMGruman writes <i>"Every few months, it seems, there is a new 'iPhone killer.' Android 2.0, in the guise of the Motorola Droid, is the latest such 'killer.' But <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/android-20-iphone-killer-last-985">what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone</a> (<a href="http://www.infoworld.com/print/97985">single page</a>), and does Android or any other mobile OS have the right stuff? There's a lot more to the answer than is usually discussed.  This article takes a look at the strengths that may allow Droid and Android 2.0 to provide strong competition to devices like the iPhone and the Blackberry, as well as the obstacles it continues to face that could inhibit adoption."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>GMGruman writes " Every few months , it seems , there is a new 'iPhone killer .
' Android 2.0 , in the guise of the Motorola Droid , is the latest such 'killer .
' But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone ( single page ) , and does Android or any other mobile OS have the right stuff ?
There 's a lot more to the answer than is usually discussed .
This article takes a look at the strengths that may allow Droid and Android 2.0 to provide strong competition to devices like the iPhone and the Blackberry , as well as the obstacles it continues to face that could inhibit adoption .
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<sentencetext>GMGruman writes "Every few months, it seems, there is a new 'iPhone killer.
' Android 2.0, in the guise of the Motorola Droid, is the latest such 'killer.
' But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone (single page), and does Android or any other mobile OS have the right stuff?
There's a lot more to the answer than is usually discussed.
This article takes a look at the strengths that may allow Droid and Android 2.0 to provide strong competition to devices like the iPhone and the Blackberry, as well as the obstacles it continues to face that could inhibit adoption.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29935015</id>
	<title>fad</title>
	<author>nanamin</author>
	<datestamp>1257008280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone
<br> <br>
An apple logo. seriously, that's it.
<br> <br>
Being an iPhone owner myself, I must admit -- it's a pretty great device. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.if you jailbreak it. Unfortunately, however, most people who own the iPhone don't really use it as much more than a status symbol. Sure they'll put a few apps on there, but they're not using it for much beyond what most of the other smartphones could do.
<br> <br>
As soon as I gained employment at my current job (which is a design job), I fit right in instantly because I had an iPhone and so did everyone else at work. Things went amiss quickly however, as the new Macbook Pro came out and everyone that had an iPhone got one of those. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.except for me. I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad because personally I'm not a huge fan of Apple Inc. and the Thinkpad I customized was more powerful for a better price. Soon people at work began to snicker, and I was in the out group again.<br> <br>
Yes, the iPhone is nice, but even if something nicer comes out. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.there's a very large number of people who won't buy it because it's not made by Apple. Possibly enough to prevent anything from "killing" the iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone An apple logo .
seriously , that 's it .
Being an iPhone owner myself , I must admit -- it 's a pretty great device .
. .if you jailbreak it .
Unfortunately , however , most people who own the iPhone do n't really use it as much more than a status symbol .
Sure they 'll put a few apps on there , but they 're not using it for much beyond what most of the other smartphones could do .
As soon as I gained employment at my current job ( which is a design job ) , I fit right in instantly because I had an iPhone and so did everyone else at work .
Things went amiss quickly however , as the new Macbook Pro came out and everyone that had an iPhone got one of those .
. .except for me .
I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad because personally I 'm not a huge fan of Apple Inc. and the Thinkpad I customized was more powerful for a better price .
Soon people at work began to snicker , and I was in the out group again .
Yes , the iPhone is nice , but even if something nicer comes out .
. .there 's a very large number of people who wo n't buy it because it 's not made by Apple .
Possibly enough to prevent anything from " killing " the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; But what will it really take to beat or match the iPhone
 
An apple logo.
seriously, that's it.
Being an iPhone owner myself, I must admit -- it's a pretty great device.
. .if you jailbreak it.
Unfortunately, however, most people who own the iPhone don't really use it as much more than a status symbol.
Sure they'll put a few apps on there, but they're not using it for much beyond what most of the other smartphones could do.
As soon as I gained employment at my current job (which is a design job), I fit right in instantly because I had an iPhone and so did everyone else at work.
Things went amiss quickly however, as the new Macbook Pro came out and everyone that had an iPhone got one of those.
. .except for me.
I chose a Lenovo Thinkpad because personally I'm not a huge fan of Apple Inc. and the Thinkpad I customized was more powerful for a better price.
Soon people at work began to snicker, and I was in the out group again.
Yes, the iPhone is nice, but even if something nicer comes out.
. .there's a very large number of people who won't buy it because it's not made by Apple.
Possibly enough to prevent anything from "killing" the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933473</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrade</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1256993520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My android phone has upgraded itself (it did check with me first) from 1.4 to 1.5 to 1.6. New features, new functionality, free. Happy?</p><p>Incidentally, it wont update to 2.0 because frankly I think the device isn't capable. If the device was capable then it would update, yes.</p><p>I suspect you'll find the iPhone hardware starts to lack support for new OS versions before very long too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My android phone has upgraded itself ( it did check with me first ) from 1.4 to 1.5 to 1.6 .
New features , new functionality , free .
Happy ? Incidentally , it wont update to 2.0 because frankly I think the device is n't capable .
If the device was capable then it would update , yes.I suspect you 'll find the iPhone hardware starts to lack support for new OS versions before very long too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My android phone has upgraded itself (it did check with me first) from 1.4 to 1.5 to 1.6.
New features, new functionality, free.
Happy?Incidentally, it wont update to 2.0 because frankly I think the device isn't capable.
If the device was capable then it would update, yes.I suspect you'll find the iPhone hardware starts to lack support for new OS versions before very long too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932909</id>
	<title>His math is as astute as his understanding of OSS:</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1256982180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<blockquote><div><p>To be sure, the power behind Android has shifted the atmosphere around the mobile platform away from its initial positioning as <b>an open source-driven platform, a position that to my mind slowed down Android and risked making it the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux: just a plaything for open source community</b>. In other words, by partnering big, Android may have exponentially increased its appeal.</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course, it could not have <b>anything</b> to do with the fact that few would want to be "partners" that have to build&amp;bet their businesses on someone else's proprietary quicksand (nor is Symbian going open for a reason as well), so the article wouldn't have been complete without unwarranted stabs at all things FLOSS and Linux (conveniently sweeping under the rug the fact that Android actually is both).</p><blockquote><div><p>Asia is a Nokia-dominated continent, with Nokia devices accounting for 60 percent of smartphone sales (<b>up from 61 percent</b> a year earlier)</p></div></blockquote><p>
Oh well...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : To be sure , the power behind Android has shifted the atmosphere around the mobile platform away from its initial positioning as an open source-driven platform , a position that to my mind slowed down Android and risked making it the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux : just a plaything for open source community .
In other words , by partnering big , Android may have exponentially increased its appeal.Of course , it could not have anything to do with the fact that few would want to be " partners " that have to build&amp;bet their businesses on someone else 's proprietary quicksand ( nor is Symbian going open for a reason as well ) , so the article would n't have been complete without unwarranted stabs at all things FLOSS and Linux ( conveniently sweeping under the rug the fact that Android actually is both ) .Asia is a Nokia-dominated continent , with Nokia devices accounting for 60 percent of smartphone sales ( up from 61 percent a year earlier ) Oh well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:To be sure, the power behind Android has shifted the atmosphere around the mobile platform away from its initial positioning as an open source-driven platform, a position that to my mind slowed down Android and risked making it the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux: just a plaything for open source community.
In other words, by partnering big, Android may have exponentially increased its appeal.Of course, it could not have anything to do with the fact that few would want to be "partners" that have to build&amp;bet their businesses on someone else's proprietary quicksand (nor is Symbian going open for a reason as well), so the article wouldn't have been complete without unwarranted stabs at all things FLOSS and Linux (conveniently sweeping under the rug the fact that Android actually is both).Asia is a Nokia-dominated continent, with Nokia devices accounting for 60 percent of smartphone sales (up from 61 percent a year earlier)
Oh well...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29948576</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257158280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No unfortunatly it is true, the main issue here is that the stock android phones not the dev phones lock you down into usermode and<br>Storing the apps on the SD card is not an option on those, Apps2sd can be obtained, but you have to hack your kernel open (root it) to enable it.<br>Why it works on the G1 out of the box is because the phone is rooted out of the box, but the G1 has other limits, the Ram is measly compared to the newer phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No unfortunatly it is true , the main issue here is that the stock android phones not the dev phones lock you down into usermode andStoring the apps on the SD card is not an option on those , Apps2sd can be obtained , but you have to hack your kernel open ( root it ) to enable it.Why it works on the G1 out of the box is because the phone is rooted out of the box , but the G1 has other limits , the Ram is measly compared to the newer phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No unfortunatly it is true, the main issue here is that the stock android phones not the dev phones lock you down into usermode andStoring the apps on the SD card is not an option on those, Apps2sd can be obtained, but you have to hack your kernel open (root it) to enable it.Why it works on the G1 out of the box is because the phone is rooted out of the box, but the G1 has other limits, the Ram is measly compared to the newer phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29947528</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>Directrix1</author>
	<datestamp>1257099000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, that's why Android based phones are capable of more than the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , that 's why Android based phones are capable of more than the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, that's why Android based phones are capable of more than the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29936051</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And Android (not just Droid, or Verizon, but Android) is doing that. Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T, if you are on T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty. Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer. Then there is the variety of hardware. Someone who doesn't like using a touchscreen for typing won't like the iPhone, yet the G1, Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that.</p></div><p>Correction: if you are on T-Mobile, you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty. If you're on Sprint or Verizon, you can't use the iPhone at all. They both have CDMA networks, while the iPhone only works on AT&amp;T's and T-Mobile's (and the rest of the world's) GSM networks. It uses a different radio on different frequencies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And Android ( not just Droid , or Verizon , but Android ) is doing that .
Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T , if you are on T-Mobile , Sprint or Verizon you ca n't use the iPhone without some difficulty .
Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer .
Then there is the variety of hardware .
Someone who does n't like using a touchscreen for typing wo n't like the iPhone , yet the G1 , Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that.Correction : if you are on T-Mobile , you ca n't use the iPhone without some difficulty .
If you 're on Sprint or Verizon , you ca n't use the iPhone at all .
They both have CDMA networks , while the iPhone only works on AT&amp;T 's and T-Mobile 's ( and the rest of the world 's ) GSM networks .
It uses a different radio on different frequencies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Android (not just Droid, or Verizon, but Android) is doing that.
Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T, if you are on T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty.
Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer.
Then there is the variety of hardware.
Someone who doesn't like using a touchscreen for typing won't like the iPhone, yet the G1, Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that.Correction: if you are on T-Mobile, you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty.
If you're on Sprint or Verizon, you can't use the iPhone at all.
They both have CDMA networks, while the iPhone only works on AT&amp;T's and T-Mobile's (and the rest of the world's) GSM networks.
It uses a different radio on different frequencies.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29948598</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257158880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is indeed googles biggest weakness, while it is way better than winmo, I see the same problem plaguing android as usually Microsoft does, for heavens sake Google get a designer, some of the screens look so bland that you feel yourself brought back to the VT220 era.<br>The other thing is that some things while it is getting better are inconsistent as hell.<br>(Not as bad as winmo though) but if you want to run against the iPhone you have to do one hell of a job regarding user interfaces.<br>While everything is ok on the desktop and apps side, things become nasty if you have to diver deeper!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is indeed googles biggest weakness , while it is way better than winmo , I see the same problem plaguing android as usually Microsoft does , for heavens sake Google get a designer , some of the screens look so bland that you feel yourself brought back to the VT220 era.The other thing is that some things while it is getting better are inconsistent as hell .
( Not as bad as winmo though ) but if you want to run against the iPhone you have to do one hell of a job regarding user interfaces.While everything is ok on the desktop and apps side , things become nasty if you have to diver deeper !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is indeed googles biggest weakness, while it is way better than winmo, I see the same problem plaguing android as usually Microsoft does, for heavens sake Google get a designer, some of the screens look so bland that you feel yourself brought back to the VT220 era.The other thing is that some things while it is getting better are inconsistent as hell.
(Not as bad as winmo though) but if you want to run against the iPhone you have to do one hell of a job regarding user interfaces.While everything is ok on the desktop and apps side, things become nasty if you have to diver deeper!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932413</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931481</id>
	<title>No Single Killer.</title>
	<author>LurkerXXX</author>
	<datestamp>1256916120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope there's no single 'killer'.  Diversity is a good thing, it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward.  It won't be too many years before pretty much all phones are smart phones, and there's a lot of room in the phone market for a lot of vendor's to exist and profit.</p><p>So here's to hoping we see a nice market share for iPhones's OS, Android, Maemo, WebOS, and Windows Mobile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope there 's no single 'killer' .
Diversity is a good thing , it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward .
It wo n't be too many years before pretty much all phones are smart phones , and there 's a lot of room in the phone market for a lot of vendor 's to exist and profit.So here 's to hoping we see a nice market share for iPhones 's OS , Android , Maemo , WebOS , and Windows Mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope there's no single 'killer'.
Diversity is a good thing, it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward.
It won't be too many years before pretty much all phones are smart phones, and there's a lot of room in the phone market for a lot of vendor's to exist and profit.So here's to hoping we see a nice market share for iPhones's OS, Android, Maemo, WebOS, and Windows Mobile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931991</id>
	<title>Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term "Asia"?</p><p>Well actually it is.</p><p>In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.</p><p>In China, they actually don't sell it at all (which is why they say it doesn't register in "Asia") but they will be shortly as they have partnered with a Chinese company to sell the iPhone.  We know there is demand there as there have always been a lot of unlocked iPhones heading into China.  And it has one of the better handheld input mechanism for chinese characters I have seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term " Asia " ? Well actually it is.In Japan , the iPhone is now # 1 in market share for smartphones.In China , they actually do n't sell it at all ( which is why they say it does n't register in " Asia " ) but they will be shortly as they have partnered with a Chinese company to sell the iPhone .
We know there is demand there as there have always been a lot of unlocked iPhones heading into China .
And it has one of the better handheld input mechanism for chinese characters I have seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term "Asia"?Well actually it is.In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.In China, they actually don't sell it at all (which is why they say it doesn't register in "Asia") but they will be shortly as they have partnered with a Chinese company to sell the iPhone.
We know there is demand there as there have always been a lot of unlocked iPhones heading into China.
And it has one of the better handheld input mechanism for chinese characters I have seen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932911</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>FireFury03</author>
	<datestamp>1256982300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a <a href="http://androidandme.com/2009/10/news/google-fails-to-address-app-storage-issue-with-droid-and-android-2-0/" title="androidandme.com">256 MB</a> [androidandme.com] app storage limit. While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download. Google, just WTF where you thinking?</p></div><p>This doesn't seem to be an Android limitation - it is a limitation caused by the flash configuration that Motorola have used. On Android, the apps are just stored as individual files in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/data/app directory; other than the size of the filesystem that contains this directory, I can't see there being any limitation.  Also, there are several methods of storing apps on the sdcard.  For example, the CyanogenMod firmware does this as standard.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What all the Android fanbois do n't know , or tell you , is that Android has a 256 MB [ androidandme.com ] app storage limit .
While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download .
Google , just WTF where you thinking ? This does n't seem to be an Android limitation - it is a limitation caused by the flash configuration that Motorola have used .
On Android , the apps are just stored as individual files in the /data/app directory ; other than the size of the filesystem that contains this directory , I ca n't see there being any limitation .
Also , there are several methods of storing apps on the sdcard .
For example , the CyanogenMod firmware does this as standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a 256 MB [androidandme.com] app storage limit.
While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download.
Google, just WTF where you thinking?This doesn't seem to be an Android limitation - it is a limitation caused by the flash configuration that Motorola have used.
On Android, the apps are just stored as individual files in the /data/app directory; other than the size of the filesystem that contains this directory, I can't see there being any limitation.
Also, there are several methods of storing apps on the sdcard.
For example, the CyanogenMod firmware does this as standard.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931709</id>
	<title>Conway's life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you really want to beat apple come with a hashlife implementation of conways life like golly. Isn't this obvious? Goggle should be paying me to develop Android.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you really want to beat apple come with a hashlife implementation of conways life like golly .
Is n't this obvious ?
Goggle should be paying me to develop Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you really want to beat apple come with a hashlife implementation of conways life like golly.
Isn't this obvious?
Goggle should be paying me to develop Android.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29943276</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1257106680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors, not just one.  The iPhone isn't the market leader now.  So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?</p></div><p>The main way in which the iPhone rules is by being the most powerful and most diverse high-end smart phone on the market. There are a lot of smart phones out there, but they lack the diversity of the iPhone's app store, the speed (particularly of the 3GS), or the quality browser. Blackberry used to have an edge in email support, but I think the iPhone managed to catch up there. Although some people will still prefer a physical keyboard, of course. But for most power users, the iPhone is it.</p><p>Until the Droid. I think it's the first phone that's explicitly marketed as an iPhone-killer, and it has the specs to make good on that promise. That doesn't mean it will kill actually the iPhone, but it might steal away the attention of the geeks. If geeks choose Android, Android will eventually end up with the better app store (Apple's policies may also help there), and that may eventually make Android the preferred choice of all power users.</p><p>I'm certainly interested in the Droid. No news on when it will be available in Europe, unfortunately.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors , not just one .
The iPhone is n't the market leader now .
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else ? The main way in which the iPhone rules is by being the most powerful and most diverse high-end smart phone on the market .
There are a lot of smart phones out there , but they lack the diversity of the iPhone 's app store , the speed ( particularly of the 3GS ) , or the quality browser .
Blackberry used to have an edge in email support , but I think the iPhone managed to catch up there .
Although some people will still prefer a physical keyboard , of course .
But for most power users , the iPhone is it.Until the Droid .
I think it 's the first phone that 's explicitly marketed as an iPhone-killer , and it has the specs to make good on that promise .
That does n't mean it will kill actually the iPhone , but it might steal away the attention of the geeks .
If geeks choose Android , Android will eventually end up with the better app store ( Apple 's policies may also help there ) , and that may eventually make Android the preferred choice of all power users.I 'm certainly interested in the Droid .
No news on when it will be available in Europe , unfortunately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors, not just one.
The iPhone isn't the market leader now.
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?The main way in which the iPhone rules is by being the most powerful and most diverse high-end smart phone on the market.
There are a lot of smart phones out there, but they lack the diversity of the iPhone's app store, the speed (particularly of the 3GS), or the quality browser.
Blackberry used to have an edge in email support, but I think the iPhone managed to catch up there.
Although some people will still prefer a physical keyboard, of course.
But for most power users, the iPhone is it.Until the Droid.
I think it's the first phone that's explicitly marketed as an iPhone-killer, and it has the specs to make good on that promise.
That doesn't mean it will kill actually the iPhone, but it might steal away the attention of the geeks.
If geeks choose Android, Android will eventually end up with the better app store (Apple's policies may also help there), and that may eventually make Android the preferred choice of all power users.I'm certainly interested in the Droid.
No news on when it will be available in Europe, unfortunately.
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	<title>Article already out of date</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>FTFA:<blockquote><div><p>And for most of the world, Nokia's Symbian is king</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo
<a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/" title="nokia.com">http://maemo.nokia.com/</a> [nokia.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>Maemo brings the power of computers to mobile devices. Designed with the internet at its core, Linux-based Maemo software takes us into a new era of mobile computing.
</p><p>
Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer with a powerful processor, large internal storage, and sharp touch-screen display.</p></div>
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<tokenext>FTFA : And for most of the world , Nokia 's Symbian is king Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo http : //maemo.nokia.com/ [ nokia.com ] Maemo brings the power of computers to mobile devices .
Designed with the internet at its core , Linux-based Maemo software takes us into a new era of mobile computing .
Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer with a powerful processor , large internal storage , and sharp touch-screen display .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:And for most of the world, Nokia's Symbian is king


Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo
http://maemo.nokia.com/ [nokia.com] Maemo brings the power of computers to mobile devices.
Designed with the internet at its core, Linux-based Maemo software takes us into a new era of mobile computing.
Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer with a powerful processor, large internal storage, and sharp touch-screen display.

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	<title>Simple Iphone Killer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Its very simple to come up with a Iphone killer.<br><br>Open developemet platform that costs nothing to develope in (IE dosen't require a Apple computer or money to get development liceneses) and a open application store that is available across carriers and phones.<br><br>Both of thse are available through the Android and will kill off the Iphone.  Not this year, or next year but as the platform for the OS and development takes off the Iphones controled app store that is only available on the Iphone will get killed off, and the Android will take over in popularity.  Apple had their chance and they dropped the ball, and Google wont make the same mistakes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its very simple to come up with a Iphone killer.Open developemet platform that costs nothing to develope in ( IE dose n't require a Apple computer or money to get development liceneses ) and a open application store that is available across carriers and phones.Both of thse are available through the Android and will kill off the Iphone .
Not this year , or next year but as the platform for the OS and development takes off the Iphones controled app store that is only available on the Iphone will get killed off , and the Android will take over in popularity .
Apple had their chance and they dropped the ball , and Google wont make the same mistakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its very simple to come up with a Iphone killer.Open developemet platform that costs nothing to develope in (IE dosen't require a Apple computer or money to get development liceneses) and a open application store that is available across carriers and phones.Both of thse are available through the Android and will kill off the Iphone.
Not this year, or next year but as the platform for the OS and development takes off the Iphones controled app store that is only available on the Iphone will get killed off, and the Android will take over in popularity.
Apple had their chance and they dropped the ball, and Google wont make the same mistakes.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Nothing iPhone did was revolutionary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Truly nothing iPhone did was revolutionary. Almost anyone working in the smartphone business could've laid down the design principles for an iPhone-like phone. It really was so glaringly obvious.</p><p>Now, iPhone is a well-done exercise in packaging and marketing. But for the most parts technically it's inferior to a 5-year old Symbian phone. The UI is much nicer, though.</p><p>Nokia, Google, Samsung, etc. here is a message to you:</p><p>ASK the people who make the phone, ask them what they think would be the best things to have, what do those people envision for a future phone and so on. No, DO NOT ask only the CTO, some middle manager or tech leads, but go straight to the developers, UI designers, testers, etc. and allow no one to aggregate or simplify the message. Get raw data from people who have their hands in the dirt daily, then analyze it at the top and THEN give the raw data to experts to go through.</p><p>It is important to not let people fighting for their territories distort the message, they will only tell you things which are beneficial to them, not to the company or the consumer.</p><p>If you had done this let's say 6 years ago, and understood that the current UIs are shit, and done something about it, you would have had an iPhone 3 years before Apple!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Truly nothing iPhone did was revolutionary .
Almost anyone working in the smartphone business could 've laid down the design principles for an iPhone-like phone .
It really was so glaringly obvious.Now , iPhone is a well-done exercise in packaging and marketing .
But for the most parts technically it 's inferior to a 5-year old Symbian phone .
The UI is much nicer , though.Nokia , Google , Samsung , etc .
here is a message to you : ASK the people who make the phone , ask them what they think would be the best things to have , what do those people envision for a future phone and so on .
No , DO NOT ask only the CTO , some middle manager or tech leads , but go straight to the developers , UI designers , testers , etc .
and allow no one to aggregate or simplify the message .
Get raw data from people who have their hands in the dirt daily , then analyze it at the top and THEN give the raw data to experts to go through.It is important to not let people fighting for their territories distort the message , they will only tell you things which are beneficial to them , not to the company or the consumer.If you had done this let 's say 6 years ago , and understood that the current UIs are shit , and done something about it , you would have had an iPhone 3 years before Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Truly nothing iPhone did was revolutionary.
Almost anyone working in the smartphone business could've laid down the design principles for an iPhone-like phone.
It really was so glaringly obvious.Now, iPhone is a well-done exercise in packaging and marketing.
But for the most parts technically it's inferior to a 5-year old Symbian phone.
The UI is much nicer, though.Nokia, Google, Samsung, etc.
here is a message to you:ASK the people who make the phone, ask them what they think would be the best things to have, what do those people envision for a future phone and so on.
No, DO NOT ask only the CTO, some middle manager or tech leads, but go straight to the developers, UI designers, testers, etc.
and allow no one to aggregate or simplify the message.
Get raw data from people who have their hands in the dirt daily, then analyze it at the top and THEN give the raw data to experts to go through.It is important to not let people fighting for their territories distort the message, they will only tell you things which are beneficial to them, not to the company or the consumer.If you had done this let's say 6 years ago, and understood that the current UIs are shit, and done something about it, you would have had an iPhone 3 years before Apple!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Many factors of success</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1256986800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>In the past, I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority. Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won. Why? It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta.</i> </p><p>The pornographer looks to the installed base, the same as anyone else.</p><p>From the start, you could record a movie or a football game on a single VHS cassette.</p><p>The players - and blank cassettes - were cheaper and available under many familiar brand names.</p><p>Betamax entered the market at a time when a lot of folks still looked to the Sears Roebuck Christmas Catalog for the big-budget holiday gift.</p><p>If you wanted to pick the winner in the mass consumer market you needed to know where Disney was placing its bets.</p><p>Betamax was entered the market at a time when almost no TV had so much as a composite video input. No comb filtering either.</p><p>Large screen displays were rare.</p><p>To see any benefit from Betamax meant spending a lot of money.<br>
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<tokenext>In the past , I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority .
Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won .
Why ? It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta .
The pornographer looks to the installed base , the same as anyone else.From the start , you could record a movie or a football game on a single VHS cassette.The players - and blank cassettes - were cheaper and available under many familiar brand names.Betamax entered the market at a time when a lot of folks still looked to the Sears Roebuck Christmas Catalog for the big-budget holiday gift.If you wanted to pick the winner in the mass consumer market you needed to know where Disney was placing its bets.Betamax was entered the market at a time when almost no TV had so much as a composite video input .
No comb filtering either.Large screen displays were rare.To see any benefit from Betamax meant spending a lot of money .
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<sentencetext>In the past, I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority.
Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won.
Why? It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta.
The pornographer looks to the installed base, the same as anyone else.From the start, you could record a movie or a football game on a single VHS cassette.The players - and blank cassettes - were cheaper and available under many familiar brand names.Betamax entered the market at a time when a lot of folks still looked to the Sears Roebuck Christmas Catalog for the big-budget holiday gift.If you wanted to pick the winner in the mass consumer market you needed to know where Disney was placing its bets.Betamax was entered the market at a time when almost no TV had so much as a composite video input.
No comb filtering either.Large screen displays were rare.To see any benefit from Betamax meant spending a lot of money.
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	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1257107700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.</p></div><p>The one problem with the iPhone is that it still requires a policy change. For Android, it doesn't.</p></div>
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<tokenext>One problem killing the iPhone , is that most of the iPhone 's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.The one problem with the iPhone is that it still requires a policy change .
For Android , it does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.The one problem with the iPhone is that it still requires a policy change.
For Android, it doesn't.
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	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256917380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This is especially true considering that the iPhone is essentially a single model with multiple revisions, whereas Android is an OS. The Android OS will almost certainly sell more than the iPhone device, but the ramifications aren't nearly as straightforward as comparing one device with more sales than another -- especially from a developer's perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is especially true considering that the iPhone is essentially a single model with multiple revisions , whereas Android is an OS .
The Android OS will almost certainly sell more than the iPhone device , but the ramifications are n't nearly as straightforward as comparing one device with more sales than another -- especially from a developer 's perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is especially true considering that the iPhone is essentially a single model with multiple revisions, whereas Android is an OS.
The Android OS will almost certainly sell more than the iPhone device, but the ramifications aren't nearly as straightforward as comparing one device with more sales than another -- especially from a developer's perspective.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not iPhone, but others may be at risk.</title>
	<author>masdog</author>
	<datestamp>1257021240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't know if Android would take that large of a chunk out of Blackberry's user base.  It will probably draw away Pearl users and small-businesses, but Blackberry's core market (medium to large enterprises) will probably stay on that particular platform.  Exchange integration is great (for the 95\% of companies that use it), but as far as I am aware, on Blackberry with BES and WinMo w/ SCCM have true central management capabilities that enterprises want.</p><p>As you put in your post, Android will probably have the biggest effect on Palm, especially since they've seemed to tie their fate to Sprint.  I can see Palm being bought out by RIM in five years or so.  It will also be the final nail in the coffin of Windows Mobile, but that shouldn't be a surprise as Microsoft has been licensing ActiveSync to any mobile software developer that wants to pay for it (there is even a Blackberry implementation of it).</p><p>Apple will probably be hurt more than people realize, and the Android platform will play a small part in it.  The iPhone is a great product, but in the United States, it is restricted to AT&amp;T's now overburdened network while the Android "platform" will be available on most carriers in some form.  I don't think that many iPhone users will switch to the Android, though, but it will attract many potential Apple customers who were holding out because they didn't want to give any money to AT&amp;T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if Android would take that large of a chunk out of Blackberry 's user base .
It will probably draw away Pearl users and small-businesses , but Blackberry 's core market ( medium to large enterprises ) will probably stay on that particular platform .
Exchange integration is great ( for the 95 \ % of companies that use it ) , but as far as I am aware , on Blackberry with BES and WinMo w/ SCCM have true central management capabilities that enterprises want.As you put in your post , Android will probably have the biggest effect on Palm , especially since they 've seemed to tie their fate to Sprint .
I can see Palm being bought out by RIM in five years or so .
It will also be the final nail in the coffin of Windows Mobile , but that should n't be a surprise as Microsoft has been licensing ActiveSync to any mobile software developer that wants to pay for it ( there is even a Blackberry implementation of it ) .Apple will probably be hurt more than people realize , and the Android platform will play a small part in it .
The iPhone is a great product , but in the United States , it is restricted to AT&amp;T 's now overburdened network while the Android " platform " will be available on most carriers in some form .
I do n't think that many iPhone users will switch to the Android , though , but it will attract many potential Apple customers who were holding out because they did n't want to give any money to AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if Android would take that large of a chunk out of Blackberry's user base.
It will probably draw away Pearl users and small-businesses, but Blackberry's core market (medium to large enterprises) will probably stay on that particular platform.
Exchange integration is great (for the 95\% of companies that use it), but as far as I am aware, on Blackberry with BES and WinMo w/ SCCM have true central management capabilities that enterprises want.As you put in your post, Android will probably have the biggest effect on Palm, especially since they've seemed to tie their fate to Sprint.
I can see Palm being bought out by RIM in five years or so.
It will also be the final nail in the coffin of Windows Mobile, but that shouldn't be a surprise as Microsoft has been licensing ActiveSync to any mobile software developer that wants to pay for it (there is even a Blackberry implementation of it).Apple will probably be hurt more than people realize, and the Android platform will play a small part in it.
The iPhone is a great product, but in the United States, it is restricted to AT&amp;T's now overburdened network while the Android "platform" will be available on most carriers in some form.
I don't think that many iPhone users will switch to the Android, though, but it will attract many potential Apple customers who were holding out because they didn't want to give any money to AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1257194400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?</i></p><p>Lots of ads I see on TV say, "available for iPhone and Blackberry".  If that changes to "Android and Blackberry", then maybe.  It seems unlikely in the near future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else ? Lots of ads I see on TV say , " available for iPhone and Blackberry " .
If that changes to " Android and Blackberry " , then maybe .
It seems unlikely in the near future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?Lots of ads I see on TV say, "available for iPhone and Blackberry".
If that changes to "Android and Blackberry", then maybe.
It seems unlikely in the near future.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>aliquis</author>
	<datestamp>1256985840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term "Asia"?</p><p>In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.</p><p>In China, they actually don't sell it at all</p></div><p>Don't you answer your own question? Japan isn't all of asia, it's a fucking small part of asia. And China probably sums up the situation in a large part of asia.</p><p>The thing is that Apple support for other parts the the USA is kinda crappy. We in Europe got the iPhone waaay after the US to.</p><p>It's not dominant there, doesn't matter why it's not, though yes, Apple probably got themselves to blame for the lack of success there. (The same goes for Europe, it has only been around for a short time here, if it had been around for as long as it has in the US it would have an even bigger market share.)</p><p>Kinda everyone which are somewhat geeky/young/trendy around me seem to get the iPhone.</p><p>And here in &#214;rebro, Sweden, we don't have any fancy Apple stores, we don't have any retailers which actually "belong" to Apple and can help you out where Apple themselves might had put in some extra effort, heck a year or two ago we even didn't had a store which sold Apple computers.</p><p>The Apple (buyer) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term " Asia " ? In Japan , the iPhone is now # 1 in market share for smartphones.In China , they actually do n't sell it at allDo n't you answer your own question ?
Japan is n't all of asia , it 's a fucking small part of asia .
And China probably sums up the situation in a large part of asia.The thing is that Apple support for other parts the the USA is kinda crappy .
We in Europe got the iPhone waaay after the US to.It 's not dominant there , does n't matter why it 's not , though yes , Apple probably got themselves to blame for the lack of success there .
( The same goes for Europe , it has only been around for a short time here , if it had been around for as long as it has in the US it would have an even bigger market share .
) Kinda everyone which are somewhat geeky/young/trendy around me seem to get the iPhone.And here in   rebro , Sweden , we do n't have any fancy Apple stores , we do n't have any retailers which actually " belong " to Apple and can help you out where Apple themselves might had put in some extra effort , heck a year or two ago we even did n't had a store which sold Apple computers.The Apple ( buyer ) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the iPhone not dominant in the land they term "Asia"?In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.In China, they actually don't sell it at allDon't you answer your own question?
Japan isn't all of asia, it's a fucking small part of asia.
And China probably sums up the situation in a large part of asia.The thing is that Apple support for other parts the the USA is kinda crappy.
We in Europe got the iPhone waaay after the US to.It's not dominant there, doesn't matter why it's not, though yes, Apple probably got themselves to blame for the lack of success there.
(The same goes for Europe, it has only been around for a short time here, if it had been around for as long as it has in the US it would have an even bigger market share.
)Kinda everyone which are somewhat geeky/young/trendy around me seem to get the iPhone.And here in Örebro, Sweden, we don't have any fancy Apple stores, we don't have any retailers which actually "belong" to Apple and can help you out where Apple themselves might had put in some extra effort, heck a year or two ago we even didn't had a store which sold Apple computers.The Apple (buyer) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.
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	<title>iPhone doesn't matter much</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1256985660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Despite Apple's insane press coverage and a Silicon Valley-centric view of reporters, the iPhone is still only 1/6 of the market in smartphones. A spectacular success for a newcomer, but not market domination.  Even iPod, Apple's most successful product, has less than 1/4 market share.  Apple has never managed to dominate a market.  At best, they hit a peak at 15-20\% and then slowly decline.  In the end, there are only so many people willing to pay $500-$900 for an iPhone (and that's what it costs, whether it's hidden in subscription fees or paid up front).</p><p>Android, on the other hand, has the potential for some really low-cost devices ($100-$200), and its greater openness both towards carries and towards applications mean that it will likely overtake the iPhone in a couple of years.</p><p>Of course, the iPhone won't be "killed", just like the Mac won't be killed.  Apple's market share dropped from an all-time high of 15\% to a couple of percent and now is back at 3-4\% worldwide, but it never disappeared.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite Apple 's insane press coverage and a Silicon Valley-centric view of reporters , the iPhone is still only 1/6 of the market in smartphones .
A spectacular success for a newcomer , but not market domination .
Even iPod , Apple 's most successful product , has less than 1/4 market share .
Apple has never managed to dominate a market .
At best , they hit a peak at 15-20 \ % and then slowly decline .
In the end , there are only so many people willing to pay $ 500- $ 900 for an iPhone ( and that 's what it costs , whether it 's hidden in subscription fees or paid up front ) .Android , on the other hand , has the potential for some really low-cost devices ( $ 100- $ 200 ) , and its greater openness both towards carries and towards applications mean that it will likely overtake the iPhone in a couple of years.Of course , the iPhone wo n't be " killed " , just like the Mac wo n't be killed .
Apple 's market share dropped from an all-time high of 15 \ % to a couple of percent and now is back at 3-4 \ % worldwide , but it never disappeared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite Apple's insane press coverage and a Silicon Valley-centric view of reporters, the iPhone is still only 1/6 of the market in smartphones.
A spectacular success for a newcomer, but not market domination.
Even iPod, Apple's most successful product, has less than 1/4 market share.
Apple has never managed to dominate a market.
At best, they hit a peak at 15-20\% and then slowly decline.
In the end, there are only so many people willing to pay $500-$900 for an iPhone (and that's what it costs, whether it's hidden in subscription fees or paid up front).Android, on the other hand, has the potential for some really low-cost devices ($100-$200), and its greater openness both towards carries and towards applications mean that it will likely overtake the iPhone in a couple of years.Of course, the iPhone won't be "killed", just like the Mac won't be killed.
Apple's market share dropped from an all-time high of 15\% to a couple of percent and now is back at 3-4\% worldwide, but it never disappeared.</sentencetext>
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	<title>it's the apps, stupid</title>
	<author>markov\_chain</author>
	<datestamp>1256919120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This happened before, with Windows.  Any platform that doesn't run the enormous legacy app base will have a hard time getting market share.</p><p>The situation is now even worse- there is an entity which controls the hardware (AT&amp;T, not Apple!), far different from the free-for-all PC ecosystem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This happened before , with Windows .
Any platform that does n't run the enormous legacy app base will have a hard time getting market share.The situation is now even worse- there is an entity which controls the hardware ( AT&amp;T , not Apple !
) , far different from the free-for-all PC ecosystem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This happened before, with Windows.
Any platform that doesn't run the enormous legacy app base will have a hard time getting market share.The situation is now even worse- there is an entity which controls the hardware (AT&amp;T, not Apple!
), far different from the free-for-all PC ecosystem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932599</id>
	<title>Re:No Single Killer.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256931660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Choice is good only so long as you aren't being screwed. Right now iPhone, Windows Mobile, and BlackBerry are all off the table and the rest? Who knows. Show me a phone that supports and syncs with GNU/Linux. The Freerunner is the only phone that comes close to providing choice in the market and it doesn't even really exist since it isn't finished and on the general market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Choice is good only so long as you are n't being screwed .
Right now iPhone , Windows Mobile , and BlackBerry are all off the table and the rest ?
Who knows .
Show me a phone that supports and syncs with GNU/Linux .
The Freerunner is the only phone that comes close to providing choice in the market and it does n't even really exist since it is n't finished and on the general market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Choice is good only so long as you aren't being screwed.
Right now iPhone, Windows Mobile, and BlackBerry are all off the table and the rest?
Who knows.
Show me a phone that supports and syncs with GNU/Linux.
The Freerunner is the only phone that comes close to providing choice in the market and it doesn't even really exist since it isn't finished and on the general market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29947996</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257104820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hate to say it, but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.</p><p>You can't kill the iphone by trying to copy it. You have to:</p><p>1) Find a way to steal it's best customers in a way it can't keep up with.</p><p>2) Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.</p><p>Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars, but it won't get you market share.</p></div><p>Actually, at this point, most of the interesting things the iPhone has been doing is just copying Android devices. New features like "copy and paste", background applications, a compass, and augmented reality, are just copies of stuff that was already available in Android.  The only interesting feature available in the iPhone platform that is not available in Android is a good user-interface to their Market (iTunes).  And it looks like the iPhone platform is going to be missing a lot of features that will become free on Android (flash, Silverlight, and  Mozilla Firefox, to name a few).  Anyway, my point is, at this point, the market leader is only the leader in sales.  It has already become complacent and lost the edge in innovation.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.You ca n't kill the iphone by trying to copy it .
You have to : 1 ) Find a way to steal it 's best customers in a way it ca n't keep up with.2 ) Wait for it to get big , fat , and lazy.Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars , but it wo n't get you market share.Actually , at this point , most of the interesting things the iPhone has been doing is just copying Android devices .
New features like " copy and paste " , background applications , a compass , and augmented reality , are just copies of stuff that was already available in Android .
The only interesting feature available in the iPhone platform that is not available in Android is a good user-interface to their Market ( iTunes ) .
And it looks like the iPhone platform is going to be missing a lot of features that will become free on Android ( flash , Silverlight , and Mozilla Firefox , to name a few ) .
Anyway , my point is , at this point , the market leader is only the leader in sales .
It has already become complacent and lost the edge in innovation .
                 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.You can't kill the iphone by trying to copy it.
You have to:1) Find a way to steal it's best customers in a way it can't keep up with.2) Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars, but it won't get you market share.Actually, at this point, most of the interesting things the iPhone has been doing is just copying Android devices.
New features like "copy and paste", background applications, a compass, and augmented reality, are just copies of stuff that was already available in Android.
The only interesting feature available in the iPhone platform that is not available in Android is a good user-interface to their Market (iTunes).
And it looks like the iPhone platform is going to be missing a lot of features that will become free on Android (flash, Silverlight, and  Mozilla Firefox, to name a few).
Anyway, my point is, at this point, the market leader is only the leader in sales.
It has already become complacent and lost the edge in innovation.
                 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932201</id>
	<title>iPhone Killer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256924400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>An iPhone killer is someone who chains a faggot to the back of a pickup truck and drags him for 2 miles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An iPhone killer is someone who chains a faggot to the back of a pickup truck and drags him for 2 miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An iPhone killer is someone who chains a faggot to the back of a pickup truck and drags him for 2 miles.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931429</id>
	<title>What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really.  There will always be some number of viable devices competing.  Each will appeal to some group that values its strengths over what the others have to offer.  The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors, not just one.  The iPhone isn't the market leader now.  So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really .
There will always be some number of viable devices competing .
Each will appeal to some group that values its strengths over what the others have to offer .
The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors , not just one .
The iPhone is n't the market leader now .
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really.
There will always be some number of viable devices competing.
Each will appeal to some group that values its strengths over what the others have to offer.
The only way iPhone can fail is to lose to several competitors, not just one.
The iPhone isn't the market leader now.
So how can one phone or O/S kill the iPhone or anything else?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933191</id>
	<title>Alternatively</title>
	<author>jedigeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256987520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alternatively:</p><p>1. Realise Apple aren't more or less "evil" than Google<br>2. Buy an iPhone<br>3. Enjoy using it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alternatively : 1 .
Realise Apple are n't more or less " evil " than Google2 .
Buy an iPhone3 .
Enjoy using it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alternatively:1.
Realise Apple aren't more or less "evil" than Google2.
Buy an iPhone3.
Enjoy using it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29937725</id>
	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>bvankuik</author>
	<datestamp>1256990760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The Apple (buyer) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.</i></p><p>Yes, it is. Apple has 10\% marketshare of computers in the US , the rest of the world 3\%. This number comes from the latest Engadget podcast. The significant difference is something that influences that buyer experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple ( buyer ) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.Yes , it is .
Apple has 10 \ % marketshare of computers in the US , the rest of the world 3 \ % .
This number comes from the latest Engadget podcast .
The significant difference is something that influences that buyer experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple (buyer) experience is probably very different in the US compared to the rest of the world.Yes, it is.
Apple has 10\% marketshare of computers in the US , the rest of the world 3\%.
This number comes from the latest Engadget podcast.
The significant difference is something that influences that buyer experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931847</id>
	<title>One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.</p><p>Enough people want background apps?  Well there they are.<br>Enough people want customizable lock screens?  Alright, that's easy enough.<br>Enough people want shared file storage?  There, done.<br>Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android? No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.<br>Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store? Ok, here you go.<br>Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins?  Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.<br>Enough people want root access?  Fine, administration is their problem.</p><p>Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.  If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem killing the iPhone , is that most of the iPhone 's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps ?
Well there they are.Enough people want customizable lock screens ?
Alright , that 's easy enough.Enough people want shared file storage ?
There , done.Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps , like Android ?
No problem , it 'll save Apple time and money to boot.Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store ?
Ok , here you go.Enough people want Flash , or other browser plugins ?
Fine , Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it 's inception.Enough people want root access ?
Fine , administration is their problem.Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform 's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders , and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor .
If that balance ever shifts , either due to more competent coders ( supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized ) or more demanding users ( with friends whose phones do some or all of the above ) , the rules can change in an instant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps?
Well there they are.Enough people want customizable lock screens?
Alright, that's easy enough.Enough people want shared file storage?
There, done.Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android?
No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store?
Ok, here you go.Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins?
Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.Enough people want root access?
Fine, administration is their problem.Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.
If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29935303</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey its still Apple and thats an advantage.</p><p>&gt;But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.</p><p>You mean like long battery life...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey its still Apple and thats an advantage. &gt; But Android has the advantage of youth , and none of the baggage of middle age.You mean like long battery life.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey its still Apple and thats an advantage.&gt;But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.You mean like long battery life...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932015</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29935243</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>gutter</author>
	<datestamp>1257010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It has nothing to do with scary bad coders, it has everything to do with them keeping people from getting videos outside of what they control (itunes).</i></p><p>I'm not sure how you could be more wrong about this.  Since the very FIRST iPhone, you have been able to put ANY video you want on it as long it is H.264 encoded in the proper profile.  It is TRIVIAL to use Handbrake to rip DVDs to an iPhone compatible format and import them into iTunes.  I know this because I used to work for a company that sells video content in iPhone compatible formats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has nothing to do with scary bad coders , it has everything to do with them keeping people from getting videos outside of what they control ( itunes ) .I 'm not sure how you could be more wrong about this .
Since the very FIRST iPhone , you have been able to put ANY video you want on it as long it is H.264 encoded in the proper profile .
It is TRIVIAL to use Handbrake to rip DVDs to an iPhone compatible format and import them into iTunes .
I know this because I used to work for a company that sells video content in iPhone compatible formats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has nothing to do with scary bad coders, it has everything to do with them keeping people from getting videos outside of what they control (itunes).I'm not sure how you could be more wrong about this.
Since the very FIRST iPhone, you have been able to put ANY video you want on it as long it is H.264 encoded in the proper profile.
It is TRIVIAL to use Handbrake to rip DVDs to an iPhone compatible format and import them into iTunes.
I know this because I used to work for a company that sells video content in iPhone compatible formats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931663</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256917800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a 256 MB app storage limit.</p></div><p>No.   Please learn to read.  <b>That phone</b> has 256MB for app storage.  My G1 dev phone as 1.5GB for app storage (because I've only got a 2GB card in it, and I wanted some room for ringtones, etc.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Google, just WTF where you thinking?</p></div><p>Considering it was Motorola that designed the Droid, why would you think that Google had anything to do with it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What all the Android fanbois do n't know , or tell you , is that Android has a 256 MB app storage limit.No .
Please learn to read .
That phone has 256MB for app storage .
My G1 dev phone as 1.5GB for app storage ( because I 've only got a 2GB card in it , and I wanted some room for ringtones , etc .
) Google , just WTF where you thinking ? Considering it was Motorola that designed the Droid , why would you think that Google had anything to do with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a 256 MB app storage limit.No.
Please learn to read.
That phone has 256MB for app storage.
My G1 dev phone as 1.5GB for app storage (because I've only got a 2GB card in it, and I wanted some room for ringtones, etc.
)Google, just WTF where you thinking?Considering it was Motorola that designed the Droid, why would you think that Google had anything to do with it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932487</id>
	<title>The issue isn't the OS -- it's the Hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256929380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's ludicrous to think that software only is going to "kill" the iPhone (and the iPod Touch, which I'm including here for reasons that will become obvious.)</p><p>My company recently developed a game called Star Rangers. It's a space warfare game, and it makes extensive use of the accelerometer features of the iPhone and iPod Touch. Without that hardware capability, the game simply wouldn't be playable (like a bunch of other successful games and apps exclusive to the iPhone and iPod Touch.)</p><p>Quit thinking that any given Android-equipped device is going to beat the iPhone on software merits alone -- you've also got to have hardware features that equal or exceed the current iPhone's (and iPod Touch's) capabilities. Until you have standardized Android-compatible phone hardware that permits you to play games or develop sound/music apps as you can on the iPhone (because of its inherent hardware features giving you physical tilt control), then any other Android-running device is going to play catch-up. It's that simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ludicrous to think that software only is going to " kill " the iPhone ( and the iPod Touch , which I 'm including here for reasons that will become obvious .
) My company recently developed a game called Star Rangers .
It 's a space warfare game , and it makes extensive use of the accelerometer features of the iPhone and iPod Touch .
Without that hardware capability , the game simply would n't be playable ( like a bunch of other successful games and apps exclusive to the iPhone and iPod Touch .
) Quit thinking that any given Android-equipped device is going to beat the iPhone on software merits alone -- you 've also got to have hardware features that equal or exceed the current iPhone 's ( and iPod Touch 's ) capabilities .
Until you have standardized Android-compatible phone hardware that permits you to play games or develop sound/music apps as you can on the iPhone ( because of its inherent hardware features giving you physical tilt control ) , then any other Android-running device is going to play catch-up .
It 's that simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ludicrous to think that software only is going to "kill" the iPhone (and the iPod Touch, which I'm including here for reasons that will become obvious.
)My company recently developed a game called Star Rangers.
It's a space warfare game, and it makes extensive use of the accelerometer features of the iPhone and iPod Touch.
Without that hardware capability, the game simply wouldn't be playable (like a bunch of other successful games and apps exclusive to the iPhone and iPod Touch.
)Quit thinking that any given Android-equipped device is going to beat the iPhone on software merits alone -- you've also got to have hardware features that equal or exceed the current iPhone's (and iPod Touch's) capabilities.
Until you have standardized Android-compatible phone hardware that permits you to play games or develop sound/music apps as you can on the iPhone (because of its inherent hardware features giving you physical tilt control), then any other Android-running device is going to play catch-up.
It's that simple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932107</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Mr2001</author>
	<datestamp>1256922960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's nothing compared to the fact that there isn't any android phone with 3d acceleration.</p></div><p>False. The G1 has 3D acceleration and supports OpenGL ES. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqKCam7wgws" title="youtube.com">Here's a video</a> [youtube.com] of a demo program you can download from the Android Market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing compared to the fact that there is n't any android phone with 3d acceleration.False .
The G1 has 3D acceleration and supports OpenGL ES .
Here 's a video [ youtube.com ] of a demo program you can download from the Android Market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing compared to the fact that there isn't any android phone with 3d acceleration.False.
The G1 has 3D acceleration and supports OpenGL ES.
Here's a video [youtube.com] of a demo program you can download from the Android Market.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931787</id>
	<title>Re:No Single Killer.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real, silent killer, will be the Chinese cheap copies</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real , silent killer , will be the Chinese cheap copies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real, silent killer, will be the Chinese cheap copies</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931567</id>
	<title>Re:The fastest way to fail</title>
	<author>Homburg</author>
	<datestamp>1256916960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'</p></div><p>Which is very specifically <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcec" title="youtube.com">what they seem to be doing with the Droid</a> [youtube.com]. A list of more-or-less random things that the iPhone doesn't do, with no real attempt to explain why you might want to do these things, or concrete vision of how the Droid might enhance your life in a way the iPhone doesn't.</p><p>Admittedly, it's not as bad as <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obBIbS1lwck" title="youtube.com">T-Mobile's ad for the MyTouch 3G</a> [youtube.com] (aka the HTC Magic), with its meaningless "100\% you" slogan, which appears to add up to, erm, being able to change the wallpaper.</p><p>Why does Apple seem to be the only company that has any idea how to market a smartphone?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'Which is very specifically what they seem to be doing with the Droid [ youtube.com ] .
A list of more-or-less random things that the iPhone does n't do , with no real attempt to explain why you might want to do these things , or concrete vision of how the Droid might enhance your life in a way the iPhone does n't.Admittedly , it 's not as bad as T-Mobile 's ad for the MyTouch 3G [ youtube.com ] ( aka the HTC Magic ) , with its meaningless " 100 \ % you " slogan , which appears to add up to , erm , being able to change the wallpaper.Why does Apple seem to be the only company that has any idea how to market a smartphone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'Which is very specifically what they seem to be doing with the Droid [youtube.com].
A list of more-or-less random things that the iPhone doesn't do, with no real attempt to explain why you might want to do these things, or concrete vision of how the Droid might enhance your life in a way the iPhone doesn't.Admittedly, it's not as bad as T-Mobile's ad for the MyTouch 3G [youtube.com] (aka the HTC Magic), with its meaningless "100\% you" slogan, which appears to add up to, erm, being able to change the wallpaper.Why does Apple seem to be the only company that has any idea how to market a smartphone?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29941191</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>StripedCow</author>
	<datestamp>1257085800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Google, just WTF where you thinking?</p></div><p>Uhm, 256 MB should be enough for everyone? perhaps?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google , just WTF where you thinking ? Uhm , 256 MB should be enough for everyone ?
perhaps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google, just WTF where you thinking?Uhm, 256 MB should be enough for everyone?
perhaps?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29961464</id>
	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257246180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares about fucking Japan, sorry for the words, but the US point of view is too japan centric, comparing Japan with the rest of asia, is like comparing Luxemburg with the rest of entire europe.<br>I am not sure why the US constantly sees Japan as Asia, but its population is more along the lines of a typical western european country (so way smaller than the entire EU) and the same goes for the market, while there are countries in Asia which have more than one billion people!<br>Besides that Japan is not Asia not even mentalitywise it is entirely Asia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares about fucking Japan , sorry for the words , but the US point of view is too japan centric , comparing Japan with the rest of asia , is like comparing Luxemburg with the rest of entire europe.I am not sure why the US constantly sees Japan as Asia , but its population is more along the lines of a typical western european country ( so way smaller than the entire EU ) and the same goes for the market , while there are countries in Asia which have more than one billion people ! Besides that Japan is not Asia not even mentalitywise it is entirely Asia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares about fucking Japan, sorry for the words, but the US point of view is too japan centric, comparing Japan with the rest of asia, is like comparing Luxemburg with the rest of entire europe.I am not sure why the US constantly sees Japan as Asia, but its population is more along the lines of a typical western european country (so way smaller than the entire EU) and the same goes for the market, while there are countries in Asia which have more than one billion people!Besides that Japan is not Asia not even mentalitywise it is entirely Asia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29945082</id>
	<title>Toddler-mode screenlock</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257075780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing and one thing only is what I would like to see, on mobile and even DECT phones:<br>that they have a configurable screen lock, to enable what I'd like to call 'toddler mode', alongside a regular lock mode, which avoids the phone doing stuff (draining the battery) whilst in a pocket or bag.</p><p>Every parent knows that toddlers really really want to have the phone, if only for a short while.</p><p>Now if only the phone could do something the toddler will find interesting, like the fake phones that make some bleeping sounds, have some voice going 'hello' and 'byebye' and such.</p><p>Naturally, one should be able to select this mode instead of regular lock-mode, and if possible, it should be made easy to set up the phone to give various responses, between playback of melodies, speech fragments and whatnot, heck, include fireworks to be shown on screen.</p><p>This should be easily doable on an Android phone - if only someone would implement it..!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing and one thing only is what I would like to see , on mobile and even DECT phones : that they have a configurable screen lock , to enable what I 'd like to call 'toddler mode ' , alongside a regular lock mode , which avoids the phone doing stuff ( draining the battery ) whilst in a pocket or bag.Every parent knows that toddlers really really want to have the phone , if only for a short while.Now if only the phone could do something the toddler will find interesting , like the fake phones that make some bleeping sounds , have some voice going 'hello ' and 'byebye ' and such.Naturally , one should be able to select this mode instead of regular lock-mode , and if possible , it should be made easy to set up the phone to give various responses , between playback of melodies , speech fragments and whatnot , heck , include fireworks to be shown on screen.This should be easily doable on an Android phone - if only someone would implement it.. !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing and one thing only is what I would like to see, on mobile and even DECT phones:that they have a configurable screen lock, to enable what I'd like to call 'toddler mode', alongside a regular lock mode, which avoids the phone doing stuff (draining the battery) whilst in a pocket or bag.Every parent knows that toddlers really really want to have the phone, if only for a short while.Now if only the phone could do something the toddler will find interesting, like the fake phones that make some bleeping sounds, have some voice going 'hello' and 'byebye' and such.Naturally, one should be able to select this mode instead of regular lock-mode, and if possible, it should be made easy to set up the phone to give various responses, between playback of melodies, speech fragments and whatnot, heck, include fireworks to be shown on screen.This should be easily doable on an Android phone - if only someone would implement it..!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931889</id>
	<title>ARM with 256MB memory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah this machine have 256M of memory. But for this cpu architecture that's fine.<br>The device will include a microSD with at least 16G to store all your apps. (my low end phone have a 1G...)<br>Oh and by the way, the same chipset run quake3 smothly...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah this machine have 256M of memory .
But for this cpu architecture that 's fine.The device will include a microSD with at least 16G to store all your apps .
( my low end phone have a 1G... ) Oh and by the way , the same chipset run quake3 smothly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah this machine have 256M of memory.
But for this cpu architecture that's fine.The device will include a microSD with at least 16G to store all your apps.
(my low end phone have a 1G...)Oh and by the way, the same chipset run quake3 smothly...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932181</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256924040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I phone is secure. Unfortunately it is the first to the seen so everyone jumped at the opportunity to make apps and such for it. There for It has the biggest program base for avg users. It will take quite a while for the others to catch up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I phone is secure .
Unfortunately it is the first to the seen so everyone jumped at the opportunity to make apps and such for it .
There for It has the biggest program base for avg users .
It will take quite a while for the others to catch up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I phone is secure.
Unfortunately it is the first to the seen so everyone jumped at the opportunity to make apps and such for it.
There for It has the biggest program base for avg users.
It will take quite a while for the others to catch up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933271</id>
	<title>Re:The phone is the network</title>
	<author>upuv</author>
	<datestamp>1256989620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GAH!</p><p>I can't take it.</p><p>"The Phone is the network" What the heck does this mean.  That's like saying "The medium is the message", "The ego is the soul"  or some other rubbish like that.  All I see is a some dude that is getting too old to hang out with college kids but is still doing it by pretending to be some great thinker type.  Always sitting at the most exposed spot in the coffee shop legs cross pretending to read something that will impress a 19 year old book worm.</p><p>---<br>Secondly there is no Android network restriction!  Just get on the net and order say a HTC Hero.  Put your sim and you're away.  Hell I live in Aus.  I ordered an andriod phone in from over seas. Dropped my sim in and bam I'm gold.</p><p>iPhone is all about vendor lock in.  Lock in is a gold mine for any company.  Apple knows this.  AT&amp;T paid or rather gives huge portions of profit because of the iPhone lock in draw.  Competition only occurs when the players are forced or force each other to play on the same field.</p><p>2010 will see a lot of changes on this front.  I'm guessing the lock in will be gone for the iPhone.  Pre, Andriod, even winMo 6.5/7.0 are eating in on the market.<br>---</p><p>Besides Apple has already decided the market needs another kick in the nuts.  With the new APPLE tablet like thing.  It's mostly phone but a little more net app machine.   I recon they will call it "iMe" nothing more selfish then selfish^2.</p><p>---</p><p>But good god please stop the use of "\_\_\_\_\_ is the \_\_\_\_\_" references.  You sound like a twat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GAH ! I ca n't take it .
" The Phone is the network " What the heck does this mean .
That 's like saying " The medium is the message " , " The ego is the soul " or some other rubbish like that .
All I see is a some dude that is getting too old to hang out with college kids but is still doing it by pretending to be some great thinker type .
Always sitting at the most exposed spot in the coffee shop legs cross pretending to read something that will impress a 19 year old book worm.---Secondly there is no Android network restriction !
Just get on the net and order say a HTC Hero .
Put your sim and you 're away .
Hell I live in Aus .
I ordered an andriod phone in from over seas .
Dropped my sim in and bam I 'm gold.iPhone is all about vendor lock in .
Lock in is a gold mine for any company .
Apple knows this .
AT&amp;T paid or rather gives huge portions of profit because of the iPhone lock in draw .
Competition only occurs when the players are forced or force each other to play on the same field.2010 will see a lot of changes on this front .
I 'm guessing the lock in will be gone for the iPhone .
Pre , Andriod , even winMo 6.5/7.0 are eating in on the market.---Besides Apple has already decided the market needs another kick in the nuts .
With the new APPLE tablet like thing .
It 's mostly phone but a little more net app machine .
I recon they will call it " iMe " nothing more selfish then selfish ^ 2.---But good god please stop the use of " \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ is the \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ " references .
You sound like a twat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GAH!I can't take it.
"The Phone is the network" What the heck does this mean.
That's like saying "The medium is the message", "The ego is the soul"  or some other rubbish like that.
All I see is a some dude that is getting too old to hang out with college kids but is still doing it by pretending to be some great thinker type.
Always sitting at the most exposed spot in the coffee shop legs cross pretending to read something that will impress a 19 year old book worm.---Secondly there is no Android network restriction!
Just get on the net and order say a HTC Hero.
Put your sim and you're away.
Hell I live in Aus.
I ordered an andriod phone in from over seas.
Dropped my sim in and bam I'm gold.iPhone is all about vendor lock in.
Lock in is a gold mine for any company.
Apple knows this.
AT&amp;T paid or rather gives huge portions of profit because of the iPhone lock in draw.
Competition only occurs when the players are forced or force each other to play on the same field.2010 will see a lot of changes on this front.
I'm guessing the lock in will be gone for the iPhone.
Pre, Andriod, even winMo 6.5/7.0 are eating in on the market.---Besides Apple has already decided the market needs another kick in the nuts.
With the new APPLE tablet like thing.
It's mostly phone but a little more net app machine.
I recon they will call it "iMe" nothing more selfish then selfish^2.---But good god please stop the use of "\_\_\_\_\_ is the \_\_\_\_\_" references.
You sound like a twat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931491</id>
	<title>The fastest way to fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256916300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is to market yourself as a 'iPhone killer'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931595</id>
	<title>Horrible Article</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1256917260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to say it, but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.</p><p>You can't kill the iphone by trying to copy it. You have to:</p><p>1) Find a way to steal it's best customers in a way it can't keep up with.</p><p>2) Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.</p><p>Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars, but it won't get you market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.You ca n't kill the iphone by trying to copy it .
You have to : 1 ) Find a way to steal it 's best customers in a way it ca n't keep up with.2 ) Wait for it to get big , fat , and lazy.Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars , but it wo n't get you market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but it just made no sense and backed up almost none of the opinions it presented.You can't kill the iphone by trying to copy it.
You have to:1) Find a way to steal it's best customers in a way it can't keep up with.2) Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.Just copying the leader may get you investment dollars, but it won't get you market share.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932413</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256927940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spoken like a review from a windowshopper.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Look, there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.</p></div><p>That just isn't true.  Android 2.0 is pretty attractive on the surface, but it's still plagued with UI and usability kinks that have yet to be worked out.  Multi-touch still isn't quite right, nor is it fluid.  Android's interaction on the desktop is much better than most of its competitors, but it still lags behind the iTunes experience.  There are plenty of advantages to the iPhone platform, including the iPhone OS.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.</p></div><p>That's what they said about Linux and Windows in 1996.  Easier said than done.  We're still waiting.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But lets face it, the hardware has no particular advantage any more</p></div><p>The pile of hardware components was never the advantage to begin with.  The devil's in the details.  It'd be a trivial effort to out-spec the iPhone's hardware, but that doesn't get you anywhere on its own.  Look at the terrible state of video playback at the time on smartphones even with the same muscle as the first generation iPhone.</p><p>Whether you love the iPhone or hate it, it's indisputable that it was a kick in the pants for everyone else.  Now they're actually trying to make good products, and competitors are addressing their failings and adapting what they can from Apple's lead.  That's how it should have worked, even if the iPhone never existed, but it just didn't.  Even Windows Mobile, while still painful to use, is at least easier to look at these days.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.</p></div><p>Drama much?  The iPhone is "middle-aged"?  What does that make RIM/Blackberry?  A pensioner?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like a review from a windowshopper.Look , there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.That just is n't true .
Android 2.0 is pretty attractive on the surface , but it 's still plagued with UI and usability kinks that have yet to be worked out .
Multi-touch still is n't quite right , nor is it fluid .
Android 's interaction on the desktop is much better than most of its competitors , but it still lags behind the iTunes experience .
There are plenty of advantages to the iPhone platform , including the iPhone OS.When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android , its game over for this particular advantage.That 's what they said about Linux and Windows in 1996 .
Easier said than done .
We 're still waiting.But lets face it , the hardware has no particular advantage any moreThe pile of hardware components was never the advantage to begin with .
The devil 's in the details .
It 'd be a trivial effort to out-spec the iPhone 's hardware , but that does n't get you anywhere on its own .
Look at the terrible state of video playback at the time on smartphones even with the same muscle as the first generation iPhone.Whether you love the iPhone or hate it , it 's indisputable that it was a kick in the pants for everyone else .
Now they 're actually trying to make good products , and competitors are addressing their failings and adapting what they can from Apple 's lead .
That 's how it should have worked , even if the iPhone never existed , but it just did n't .
Even Windows Mobile , while still painful to use , is at least easier to look at these days.But Android has the advantage of youth , and none of the baggage of middle age.Drama much ?
The iPhone is " middle-aged " ?
What does that make RIM/Blackberry ?
A pensioner ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like a review from a windowshopper.Look, there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.That just isn't true.
Android 2.0 is pretty attractive on the surface, but it's still plagued with UI and usability kinks that have yet to be worked out.
Multi-touch still isn't quite right, nor is it fluid.
Android's interaction on the desktop is much better than most of its competitors, but it still lags behind the iTunes experience.
There are plenty of advantages to the iPhone platform, including the iPhone OS.When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.That's what they said about Linux and Windows in 1996.
Easier said than done.
We're still waiting.But lets face it, the hardware has no particular advantage any moreThe pile of hardware components was never the advantage to begin with.
The devil's in the details.
It'd be a trivial effort to out-spec the iPhone's hardware, but that doesn't get you anywhere on its own.
Look at the terrible state of video playback at the time on smartphones even with the same muscle as the first generation iPhone.Whether you love the iPhone or hate it, it's indisputable that it was a kick in the pants for everyone else.
Now they're actually trying to make good products, and competitors are addressing their failings and adapting what they can from Apple's lead.
That's how it should have worked, even if the iPhone never existed, but it just didn't.
Even Windows Mobile, while still painful to use, is at least easier to look at these days.But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.Drama much?
The iPhone is "middle-aged"?
What does that make RIM/Blackberry?
A pensioner?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932349</id>
	<title>iPhone Killer?  Why would Google want that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256926740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>MobileSafari uses Google for search results, and there are <b>a lot</b> of mobile searches being generated by iPhone users.  Google is eroding marketshare everywhere <i>else</i>.  If I'm Apple, I'm not scared of Google.  If I'm any manufacturer representing another platform (Nokia, for example), I'm terrified.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MobileSafari uses Google for search results , and there are a lot of mobile searches being generated by iPhone users .
Google is eroding marketshare everywhere else .
If I 'm Apple , I 'm not scared of Google .
If I 'm any manufacturer representing another platform ( Nokia , for example ) , I 'm terrified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MobileSafari uses Google for search results, and there are a lot of mobile searches being generated by iPhone users.
Google is eroding marketshare everywhere else.
If I'm Apple, I'm not scared of Google.
If I'm any manufacturer representing another platform (Nokia, for example), I'm terrified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932503</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1256929800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simply said, bullshit</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simply said , bullshit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simply said, bullshit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933319</id>
	<title>It just needs one thing</title>
	<author>krouic</author>
	<datestamp>1256990520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the formidable marketing machine that apple uses to promote its products to the unwashed masses. Without this, Android will remain a geek's toy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the formidable marketing machine that apple uses to promote its products to the unwashed masses .
Without this , Android will remain a geek 's toy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the formidable marketing machine that apple uses to promote its products to the unwashed masses.
Without this, Android will remain a geek's toy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932765</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1257021780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Its not Apples fault. The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind. If/When Apple re-works the interface, with categorization of apps, (folders if you will) they can maintain the lead.</em><br>You mean the free categorisation of apps into separate sections on the home screen?  You mean, like, swiping your finger and getting a new home screen with new apps on it?  You mean like it already supports and has done since years ago?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not Apples fault .
The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind .
If/When Apple re-works the interface , with categorization of apps , ( folders if you will ) they can maintain the lead.You mean the free categorisation of apps into separate sections on the home screen ?
You mean , like , swiping your finger and getting a new home screen with new apps on it ?
You mean like it already supports and has done since years ago ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not Apples fault.
The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind.
If/When Apple re-works the interface, with categorization of apps, (folders if you will) they can maintain the lead.You mean the free categorisation of apps into separate sections on the home screen?
You mean, like, swiping your finger and getting a new home screen with new apps on it?
You mean like it already supports and has done since years ago?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933479</id>
	<title>Re:Upgrade</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1256993640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>with just a mouse click</p> </div><p>Incidentally, I'm impressed - you have a mouse attached to your iPhone?</p><p>I have to update my android device using its touch screen or its hardware keyboard. Although maybe I could get a mouse to work with it - I haven't tried.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>with just a mouse click Incidentally , I 'm impressed - you have a mouse attached to your iPhone ? I have to update my android device using its touch screen or its hardware keyboard .
Although maybe I could get a mouse to work with it - I have n't tried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with just a mouse click Incidentally, I'm impressed - you have a mouse attached to your iPhone?I have to update my android device using its touch screen or its hardware keyboard.
Although maybe I could get a mouse to work with it - I haven't tried.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933789</id>
	<title>Re:Many factors of success</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1256997540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>iPhone is ridiculously popular. I don't care to go into why it is popular, but I will say I don't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds.</p></div><p>When the iPhone was first announced, the standard of UI design and usability on phones was completely abysmal. I'd just got a Windows Mobile phone, and while it out-featured the iPhone, half of those features were just plain unusable. It had a slide-out keyboard, a scroll wheel, a joypad, a touchscreen, on-screen keypad etc. In fact, it had so many buttons on every available surface that it was virtually impossible to pick it up without accidentally pressing something. To use it efficiently, you had to learn endless permutations of the various input modes and button functions. Since the iPhone, the other manufacturers have been playing catch-up (e.g. HTC have produced replacement UIs for WM, while the iPhone influence on Android and Palm is obvious).

</p><p>Apple's main strengths are attention to detail, a flair for minimalist design and a resistance to creeping featurism. They are quite prepared to risk leaving out features and focus on making sure the features they do have are usable and consistent. One non-obvious advantage is that by having a touch screen and <i>only</i> a touch screen, they ensure that all applications have to be designed to work well with a touch screen.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>To be clear, the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T. It limits its growth potential and its flexibility.</p></div><p>...except that it doesn't seem to be stopping Apple from shifting iPhones, they were able to offer carrier-dependent features like visual voicemail and they've got a sweet deal with AT&amp;T with who-knows-what clauses to ensure that AT&amp;T promote iPhone. The exclusivity won't last forever - and if they time it right they'll do it just as the AT&amp;T customer base is getting saturated.
</p><p>Another difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Apple seem to be happy (or resigned) to a healthy slice of the market rather than total domination. Hence they're pretty much focusing on the consumer market, rather than making a determined assault on MS and Blackberry in the corporate market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone is ridiculously popular .
I do n't care to go into why it is popular , but I will say I do n't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds.When the iPhone was first announced , the standard of UI design and usability on phones was completely abysmal .
I 'd just got a Windows Mobile phone , and while it out-featured the iPhone , half of those features were just plain unusable .
It had a slide-out keyboard , a scroll wheel , a joypad , a touchscreen , on-screen keypad etc .
In fact , it had so many buttons on every available surface that it was virtually impossible to pick it up without accidentally pressing something .
To use it efficiently , you had to learn endless permutations of the various input modes and button functions .
Since the iPhone , the other manufacturers have been playing catch-up ( e.g .
HTC have produced replacement UIs for WM , while the iPhone influence on Android and Palm is obvious ) .
Apple 's main strengths are attention to detail , a flair for minimalist design and a resistance to creeping featurism .
They are quite prepared to risk leaving out features and focus on making sure the features they do have are usable and consistent .
One non-obvious advantage is that by having a touch screen and only a touch screen , they ensure that all applications have to be designed to work well with a touch screen.To be clear , the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T .
It limits its growth potential and its flexibility....except that it does n't seem to be stopping Apple from shifting iPhones , they were able to offer carrier-dependent features like visual voicemail and they 've got a sweet deal with AT&amp;T with who-knows-what clauses to ensure that AT&amp;T promote iPhone .
The exclusivity wo n't last forever - and if they time it right they 'll do it just as the AT&amp;T customer base is getting saturated .
Another difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Apple seem to be happy ( or resigned ) to a healthy slice of the market rather than total domination .
Hence they 're pretty much focusing on the consumer market , rather than making a determined assault on MS and Blackberry in the corporate market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone is ridiculously popular.
I don't care to go into why it is popular, but I will say I don't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds.When the iPhone was first announced, the standard of UI design and usability on phones was completely abysmal.
I'd just got a Windows Mobile phone, and while it out-featured the iPhone, half of those features were just plain unusable.
It had a slide-out keyboard, a scroll wheel, a joypad, a touchscreen, on-screen keypad etc.
In fact, it had so many buttons on every available surface that it was virtually impossible to pick it up without accidentally pressing something.
To use it efficiently, you had to learn endless permutations of the various input modes and button functions.
Since the iPhone, the other manufacturers have been playing catch-up (e.g.
HTC have produced replacement UIs for WM, while the iPhone influence on Android and Palm is obvious).
Apple's main strengths are attention to detail, a flair for minimalist design and a resistance to creeping featurism.
They are quite prepared to risk leaving out features and focus on making sure the features they do have are usable and consistent.
One non-obvious advantage is that by having a touch screen and only a touch screen, they ensure that all applications have to be designed to work well with a touch screen.To be clear, the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T.
It limits its growth potential and its flexibility....except that it doesn't seem to be stopping Apple from shifting iPhones, they were able to offer carrier-dependent features like visual voicemail and they've got a sweet deal with AT&amp;T with who-knows-what clauses to ensure that AT&amp;T promote iPhone.
The exclusivity won't last forever - and if they time it right they'll do it just as the AT&amp;T customer base is getting saturated.
Another difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Apple seem to be happy (or resigned) to a healthy slice of the market rather than total domination.
Hence they're pretty much focusing on the consumer market, rather than making a determined assault on MS and Blackberry in the corporate market.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931895</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's nothing compared to the fact that there isn't any android phone with 3d acceleration. The iPhone/ITouch have OpenGL ES.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing compared to the fact that there is n't any android phone with 3d acceleration .
The iPhone/ITouch have OpenGL ES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing compared to the fact that there isn't any android phone with 3d acceleration.
The iPhone/ITouch have OpenGL ES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932685</id>
	<title>iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1257020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm still waiting for the iPhone to catch up to my now-3-year-old Samsung i760 running Windows Mobile 6.1.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still waiting for the iPhone to catch up to my now-3-year-old Samsung i760 running Windows Mobile 6.1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still waiting for the iPhone to catch up to my now-3-year-old Samsung i760 running Windows Mobile 6.1.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29949030</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257166800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.</p><p>Following the tone of the post to which you were responding, Mac OS X is one policy change away from cutting Microsoft's hold on the desktop operating system market in two as well.</p><p>Yet Apple wont do it.</p><p>The problem the parent of your post misses is that what Apple can do and what Apple will do are completely different things. It really doesn't matter if Apple can do something to compete, if they choose not to, even if that ultimately has a negative effect on their profits. Apple have always been stuborn this way, perhaps because it feels in the long term they're better off, perhaps simply because they are stubborn, who knows?</p><p>It's worth noting that it took Apple until the original generation iPhone was an absolute flop in Europe to realise they need 3G, they were lucky they got it out there quick and managed to save the iPhone in Europe in doing so, but these are mistakes that ultimately wont always end up favourably for them. If for example they choose to allow post-hoc authorisation of applications once all the developers have already left for another platform will anyone care for example?</p><p>Apple need to tred carefully, their stubbornness could well be their undoing in this market, where unlike the personal media player market, they have real competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly.Following the tone of the post to which you were responding , Mac OS X is one policy change away from cutting Microsoft 's hold on the desktop operating system market in two as well.Yet Apple wont do it.The problem the parent of your post misses is that what Apple can do and what Apple will do are completely different things .
It really does n't matter if Apple can do something to compete , if they choose not to , even if that ultimately has a negative effect on their profits .
Apple have always been stuborn this way , perhaps because it feels in the long term they 're better off , perhaps simply because they are stubborn , who knows ? It 's worth noting that it took Apple until the original generation iPhone was an absolute flop in Europe to realise they need 3G , they were lucky they got it out there quick and managed to save the iPhone in Europe in doing so , but these are mistakes that ultimately wont always end up favourably for them .
If for example they choose to allow post-hoc authorisation of applications once all the developers have already left for another platform will anyone care for example ? Apple need to tred carefully , their stubbornness could well be their undoing in this market , where unlike the personal media player market , they have real competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.Following the tone of the post to which you were responding, Mac OS X is one policy change away from cutting Microsoft's hold on the desktop operating system market in two as well.Yet Apple wont do it.The problem the parent of your post misses is that what Apple can do and what Apple will do are completely different things.
It really doesn't matter if Apple can do something to compete, if they choose not to, even if that ultimately has a negative effect on their profits.
Apple have always been stuborn this way, perhaps because it feels in the long term they're better off, perhaps simply because they are stubborn, who knows?It's worth noting that it took Apple until the original generation iPhone was an absolute flop in Europe to realise they need 3G, they were lucky they got it out there quick and managed to save the iPhone in Europe in doing so, but these are mistakes that ultimately wont always end up favourably for them.
If for example they choose to allow post-hoc authorisation of applications once all the developers have already left for another platform will anyone care for example?Apple need to tred carefully, their stubbornness could well be their undoing in this market, where unlike the personal media player market, they have real competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933823</id>
	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saw an iphone marketing event near a brand new mall in Shanghai today (no it wasn't a cheap knockoff).  Ouside huge booth, banners, lots of people staffing it.  The chinese really like fancy cell phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saw an iphone marketing event near a brand new mall in Shanghai today ( no it was n't a cheap knockoff ) .
Ouside huge booth , banners , lots of people staffing it .
The chinese really like fancy cell phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saw an iphone marketing event near a brand new mall in Shanghai today (no it wasn't a cheap knockoff).
Ouside huge booth, banners, lots of people staffing it.
The chinese really like fancy cell phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931957</id>
	<title>Well, of course</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1256920980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Every few months, it seems, there is a new 'iPhone killer.'</p></div><p>Well, duh. Every new product generates hype, and to trend-conscious techies, the most obvious hype is that it's the "killer" of whatever product is already trendy. And, as you may have noticed, most new products these days are cell phones.</p><p>But have you ever heard of the latest blivet killer actually killing off the blivet? You have not. Market shifts don't happen that way. This "killer" meme is content-free marketing noise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every few months , it seems , there is a new 'iPhone killer .
'Well , duh .
Every new product generates hype , and to trend-conscious techies , the most obvious hype is that it 's the " killer " of whatever product is already trendy .
And , as you may have noticed , most new products these days are cell phones.But have you ever heard of the latest blivet killer actually killing off the blivet ?
You have not .
Market shifts do n't happen that way .
This " killer " meme is content-free marketing noise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every few months, it seems, there is a new 'iPhone killer.
'Well, duh.
Every new product generates hype, and to trend-conscious techies, the most obvious hype is that it's the "killer" of whatever product is already trendy.
And, as you may have noticed, most new products these days are cell phones.But have you ever heard of the latest blivet killer actually killing off the blivet?
You have not.
Market shifts don't happen that way.
This "killer" meme is content-free marketing noise.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934405</id>
	<title>Yet to give up???</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1257002880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p>"not to mention the fact that Palm and Microsoft have yet to give up on their respective WebOS and Windows Mobile visions."</p><p>When I saw that, I almost stopped reading completely.  Yet to give up?  WebOS?  Palm just released the Linux-based WebOS a few ( 5) months ago!  Why would anyone expect them to already "give up"???</p><p>"The first is that Android has taken four versions over two years to reach the same ballpark as the iPhone; WebOS did it in a dot-one upgrade a few months after its release."</p><p>There, that is more like it.</p><p>"the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux: just a plaything for open source community."</p><p>Desktop Linux is only a plaything??  Yeesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " not to mention the fact that Palm and Microsoft have yet to give up on their respective WebOS and Windows Mobile visions .
" When I saw that , I almost stopped reading completely .
Yet to give up ?
WebOS ? Palm just released the Linux-based WebOS a few ( 5 ) months ago !
Why would anyone expect them to already " give up " ? ? ?
" The first is that Android has taken four versions over two years to reach the same ballpark as the iPhone ; WebOS did it in a dot-one upgrade a few months after its release .
" There , that is more like it .
" the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux : just a plaything for open source community .
" Desktop Linux is only a plaything ? ?
Yeesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:"not to mention the fact that Palm and Microsoft have yet to give up on their respective WebOS and Windows Mobile visions.
"When I saw that, I almost stopped reading completely.
Yet to give up?
WebOS?  Palm just released the Linux-based WebOS a few ( 5) months ago!
Why would anyone expect them to already "give up"???
"The first is that Android has taken four versions over two years to reach the same ballpark as the iPhone; WebOS did it in a dot-one upgrade a few months after its release.
"There, that is more like it.
"the mobile equivalent of desktop Linux: just a plaything for open source community.
"Desktop Linux is only a plaything??
Yeesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932955</id>
	<title>Wrapper is purest fantasy</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1256983140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.</i></p><p>Like that's ever going to happen.  You have no idea how many frameworks and other components you'd have to get in line to replicate the default libraries on the iPhone.</p><p>And as for "nothing special" anymore, well there are tens of thousands of developers who disagree with you, along with countless accessory makers that sell product in just about any store in the world that works with the iPhone (and as it happens, iPods too).  Your hand waving is not so vigorous as to dismiss this very large advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android , its game over for this particular advantage.Like that 's ever going to happen .
You have no idea how many frameworks and other components you 'd have to get in line to replicate the default libraries on the iPhone.And as for " nothing special " anymore , well there are tens of thousands of developers who disagree with you , along with countless accessory makers that sell product in just about any store in the world that works with the iPhone ( and as it happens , iPods too ) .
Your hand waving is not so vigorous as to dismiss this very large advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.Like that's ever going to happen.
You have no idea how many frameworks and other components you'd have to get in line to replicate the default libraries on the iPhone.And as for "nothing special" anymore, well there are tens of thousands of developers who disagree with you, along with countless accessory makers that sell product in just about any store in the world that works with the iPhone (and as it happens, iPods too).
Your hand waving is not so vigorous as to dismiss this very large advantage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29949722</id>
	<title>Re:Er, price?</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1257174540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love my pre.  Palm is encouraging the homebrew community, and once you install preware, getting most of the things you wish were in the default OS is really easy via patches.  Development is open (albeit just javascript for now), and the UI is responsive, even without using the GPU yet.  Palm just hired Mathew Tippet from AMD, so speculation is that WebOS will likely start using the GPU soon and become a whole lot smoother (and it's not bad now!).</p><p>One benefit of choosing the html/css/javascript approach (hence, the 'Web' in WebOS), is that the barrier to entry is reduced for people (like me) who have never developed for a phone before.  I'm excited to have a phone I can write my own stuff for without much effort.  Heck the (free) SDK runs just fine on linux. That's a first.</p><p>And, of course, it's a linux phone.  And you don't have to jailbreak it to get that access.  Connect with novaterm, and you are in a busybox session.  The phone runs iptables for firewalling.  It has standard network interfaces.  Vi and Wget are already there.  You can enable cron, install openssh, etc.  A couple of things that I've already done was to put an ad-blocking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/hosts file on, and to also customize the autoreplace dictionary (shame there's no good GUI app for that yet).</p><p>Linkees:<br><a href="http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="webos-internals.org">http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main\_Page</a> [webos-internals.org]<br><a href="http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps" title="precentral.net">http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps</a> [precentral.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love my pre .
Palm is encouraging the homebrew community , and once you install preware , getting most of the things you wish were in the default OS is really easy via patches .
Development is open ( albeit just javascript for now ) , and the UI is responsive , even without using the GPU yet .
Palm just hired Mathew Tippet from AMD , so speculation is that WebOS will likely start using the GPU soon and become a whole lot smoother ( and it 's not bad now !
) .One benefit of choosing the html/css/javascript approach ( hence , the 'Web ' in WebOS ) , is that the barrier to entry is reduced for people ( like me ) who have never developed for a phone before .
I 'm excited to have a phone I can write my own stuff for without much effort .
Heck the ( free ) SDK runs just fine on linux .
That 's a first.And , of course , it 's a linux phone .
And you do n't have to jailbreak it to get that access .
Connect with novaterm , and you are in a busybox session .
The phone runs iptables for firewalling .
It has standard network interfaces .
Vi and Wget are already there .
You can enable cron , install openssh , etc .
A couple of things that I 've already done was to put an ad-blocking /etc/hosts file on , and to also customize the autoreplace dictionary ( shame there 's no good GUI app for that yet ) .Linkees : http : //www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main \ _Page [ webos-internals.org ] http : //www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps [ precentral.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love my pre.
Palm is encouraging the homebrew community, and once you install preware, getting most of the things you wish were in the default OS is really easy via patches.
Development is open (albeit just javascript for now), and the UI is responsive, even without using the GPU yet.
Palm just hired Mathew Tippet from AMD, so speculation is that WebOS will likely start using the GPU soon and become a whole lot smoother (and it's not bad now!
).One benefit of choosing the html/css/javascript approach (hence, the 'Web' in WebOS), is that the barrier to entry is reduced for people (like me) who have never developed for a phone before.
I'm excited to have a phone I can write my own stuff for without much effort.
Heck the (free) SDK runs just fine on linux.
That's a first.And, of course, it's a linux phone.
And you don't have to jailbreak it to get that access.
Connect with novaterm, and you are in a busybox session.
The phone runs iptables for firewalling.
It has standard network interfaces.
Vi and Wget are already there.
You can enable cron, install openssh, etc.
A couple of things that I've already done was to put an ad-blocking /etc/hosts file on, and to also customize the autoreplace dictionary (shame there's no good GUI app for that yet).Linkees:http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main\_Page [webos-internals.org]http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps [precentral.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933081</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>blanks</author>
	<datestamp>1256985480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or offer your software to every other company that makes phones on every carrier other then and including AT&amp;T.<br><br>Offer an open platform for development (free open source development that is not restricted to a MAC, pripriority lagnuage that costs money to develop in, and THEN have apple say its ok to sell your software if they WANT you to be able to).<br><br>Create software that dosen't limit you and force you to upgrade to a new phone<br><br>Buy a phone that lets you buy  and replace your battery (Really? You can't replace the battery in your PHONE?)<br><br>And much much more.  From what I have seen from Android alone I see promise.  Iphone killer?  No not at all.  Does this phone have the ability to take away interest from the Iphone from the general non fanboy public?  Yes very much so.  Better phones, more phone features, faster hardware, better software thats more open and free which means more software available.  Yeah I can see public interst shifting.<br><br>Iphone killer?  No not at all. Why kill something when it will die off on its own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or offer your software to every other company that makes phones on every carrier other then and including AT&amp;T.Offer an open platform for development ( free open source development that is not restricted to a MAC , pripriority lagnuage that costs money to develop in , and THEN have apple say its ok to sell your software if they WANT you to be able to ) .Create software that dose n't limit you and force you to upgrade to a new phoneBuy a phone that lets you buy and replace your battery ( Really ?
You ca n't replace the battery in your PHONE ?
) And much much more .
From what I have seen from Android alone I see promise .
Iphone killer ?
No not at all .
Does this phone have the ability to take away interest from the Iphone from the general non fanboy public ?
Yes very much so .
Better phones , more phone features , faster hardware , better software thats more open and free which means more software available .
Yeah I can see public interst shifting.Iphone killer ?
No not at all .
Why kill something when it will die off on its own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or offer your software to every other company that makes phones on every carrier other then and including AT&amp;T.Offer an open platform for development (free open source development that is not restricted to a MAC, pripriority lagnuage that costs money to develop in, and THEN have apple say its ok to sell your software if they WANT you to be able to).Create software that dosen't limit you and force you to upgrade to a new phoneBuy a phone that lets you buy  and replace your battery (Really?
You can't replace the battery in your PHONE?
)And much much more.
From what I have seen from Android alone I see promise.
Iphone killer?
No not at all.
Does this phone have the ability to take away interest from the Iphone from the general non fanboy public?
Yes very much so.
Better phones, more phone features, faster hardware, better software thats more open and free which means more software available.
Yeah I can see public interst shifting.Iphone killer?
No not at all.
Why kill something when it will die off on its own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931487</id>
	<title>Already preordered my Droid</title>
	<author>CajunArson</author>
	<datestamp>1256916180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It comes down to carriers, and Verizon Wireless does have excellent coverage.  I'm on an expired contract so I could have jumped to AT&amp;T without any penalties, but the Droid has got what I've always wanted: a phone that's open enough to let me hack for fun, while also polished enough that I don't have to hack it just to make the basics work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It comes down to carriers , and Verizon Wireless does have excellent coverage .
I 'm on an expired contract so I could have jumped to AT&amp;T without any penalties , but the Droid has got what I 've always wanted : a phone that 's open enough to let me hack for fun , while also polished enough that I do n't have to hack it just to make the basics work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It comes down to carriers, and Verizon Wireless does have excellent coverage.
I'm on an expired contract so I could have jumped to AT&amp;T without any penalties, but the Droid has got what I've always wanted: a phone that's open enough to let me hack for fun, while also polished enough that I don't have to hack it just to make the basics work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29961418</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>fadhliyafas</author>
	<datestamp>1257245220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah you right, iPhone isn't market leader right now, i think BB is market leader right now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah you right , iPhone is n't market leader right now , i think BB is market leader right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah you right, iPhone isn't market leader right now, i think BB is market leader right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933009</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>aliquis</author>
	<datestamp>1256984040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.</p></div><p>Knowing Apple that won't be long.</p><p>How much improvement does iTunes, iPhoto, OS X, iPod (except touch/apps), iCal, see?</p><p>Innovate, refine, go on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait for it to get big , fat , and lazy.Knowing Apple that wo n't be long.How much improvement does iTunes , iPhoto , OS X , iPod ( except touch/apps ) , iCal , see ? Innovate , refine , go on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait for it to get big, fat, and lazy.Knowing Apple that won't be long.How much improvement does iTunes, iPhoto, OS X, iPod (except touch/apps), iCal, see?Innovate, refine, go on.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29942362</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1257098280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.</p><p>Enough people want background apps? Well there they are.<br>Enough people want customizable lock screens? Alright, that's easy enough.<br>Enough people want shared file storage? There, done.<br>Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android? No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.<br>Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store? Ok, here you go.<br>Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins? Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.<br>Enough people want root access? Fine, administration is their problem.</p></div></blockquote><p>All of these are addressed by jailbreaking an iPhone, and yet Apple has been doing it's damnedest to shut down jailbreaking. Even my local AT&amp;T store's techs will show you how to jailbreak a phone, because they know there's a huge market demand for it, and it helps them sell more phones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem killing the iPhone , is that most of the iPhone 's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps ?
Well there they are.Enough people want customizable lock screens ?
Alright , that 's easy enough.Enough people want shared file storage ?
There , done.Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps , like Android ?
No problem , it 'll save Apple time and money to boot.Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store ?
Ok , here you go.Enough people want Flash , or other browser plugins ?
Fine , Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it 's inception.Enough people want root access ?
Fine , administration is their problem.All of these are addressed by jailbreaking an iPhone , and yet Apple has been doing it 's damnedest to shut down jailbreaking .
Even my local AT&amp;T store 's techs will show you how to jailbreak a phone , because they know there 's a huge market demand for it , and it helps them sell more phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps?
Well there they are.Enough people want customizable lock screens?
Alright, that's easy enough.Enough people want shared file storage?
There, done.Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android?
No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store?
Ok, here you go.Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins?
Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.Enough people want root access?
Fine, administration is their problem.All of these are addressed by jailbreaking an iPhone, and yet Apple has been doing it's damnedest to shut down jailbreaking.
Even my local AT&amp;T store's techs will show you how to jailbreak a phone, because they know there's a huge market demand for it, and it helps them sell more phones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933131</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>blanks</author>
	<datestamp>1256986380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor. If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant"<br><br>Ok thats a downirght B.S. excuese right there. The majority of the flash files people would be going after/ watching/using would be from youtube.com or google.com or myspace.com for video which last time I checked had some of the top people in the world dealing with compression, codexes and flash players in the world.  Saying  Apple is trying to keep bad ugly un-useful flash apps from their users is like saying Apple isn't trying to not lose money from forcing people to only buy videos from their itunes store.<br><br>It has nothing to do with scary bad coders, it has everything to do with them keeping people from  getting videos outside of what they control (itunes).</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform 's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders , and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor .
If that balance ever shifts , either due to more competent coders ( supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized ) or more demanding users ( with friends whose phones do some or all of the above ) , the rules can change in an instant " Ok thats a downirght B.S .
excuese right there .
The majority of the flash files people would be going after/ watching/using would be from youtube.com or google.com or myspace.com for video which last time I checked had some of the top people in the world dealing with compression , codexes and flash players in the world .
Saying Apple is trying to keep bad ugly un-useful flash apps from their users is like saying Apple is n't trying to not lose money from forcing people to only buy videos from their itunes store.It has nothing to do with scary bad coders , it has everything to do with them keeping people from getting videos outside of what they control ( itunes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.
If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant"Ok thats a downirght B.S.
excuese right there.
The majority of the flash files people would be going after/ watching/using would be from youtube.com or google.com or myspace.com for video which last time I checked had some of the top people in the world dealing with compression, codexes and flash players in the world.
Saying  Apple is trying to keep bad ugly un-useful flash apps from their users is like saying Apple isn't trying to not lose money from forcing people to only buy videos from their itunes store.It has nothing to do with scary bad coders, it has everything to do with them keeping people from  getting videos outside of what they control (itunes).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931463</id>
	<title>Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1256915940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a <a href="http://androidandme.com/2009/10/news/google-fails-to-address-app-storage-issue-with-droid-and-android-2-0/" title="androidandme.com" rel="nofollow">256 MB</a> [androidandme.com] app storage limit. While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download. Google, just WTF where you thinking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What all the Android fanbois do n't know , or tell you , is that Android has a 256 MB [ androidandme.com ] app storage limit .
While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download .
Google , just WTF where you thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What all the Android fanbois don't know, or tell you, is that Android has a 256 MB [androidandme.com] app storage limit.
While Apple limits you to 2 GB for your maximum app size download.
Google, just WTF where you thinking?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932441</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256928300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>well, first of all dumass, the 32A has that limit, the 32B is actually lower. The amount of available memory is irrelevant as the  size of the average app is what, 128k ?
lolz
Well, I don't even think about it anyway as I have app2sd which now gives me... hmm lets see... 16gb... ok iPhone, try that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>well , first of all dumass , the 32A has that limit , the 32B is actually lower .
The amount of available memory is irrelevant as the size of the average app is what , 128k ?
lolz Well , I do n't even think about it anyway as I have app2sd which now gives me... hmm lets see... 16gb... ok iPhone , try that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well, first of all dumass, the 32A has that limit, the 32B is actually lower.
The amount of available memory is irrelevant as the  size of the average app is what, 128k ?
lolz
Well, I don't even think about it anyway as I have app2sd which now gives me... hmm lets see... 16gb... ok iPhone, try that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932053</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guys, life is short. Apple iPhone, Google Android...who cares? It is just a telephone. We use them to talk to other people. That is all.</p><p>Now, let's spend our time on more useful or pleasurable things, okay?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , life is short .
Apple iPhone , Google Android...who cares ?
It is just a telephone .
We use them to talk to other people .
That is all.Now , let 's spend our time on more useful or pleasurable things , okay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, life is short.
Apple iPhone, Google Android...who cares?
It is just a telephone.
We use them to talk to other people.
That is all.Now, let's spend our time on more useful or pleasurable things, okay?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934969</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.</p><p>Enough people want background apps?  Well there they are.
Enough people want customizable lock screens?  Alright, that's easy enough.
Enough people want shared file storage?  There, done.
Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android? No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.
Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store? Ok, here you go.
Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins?  Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.
Enough people want root access?  Fine, administration is their problem.</p><p>Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.  If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant.</p></div><p>When someone dumps tens of thousands of dollars into app development only to be told "Nope, sorry!" that developer packs up and never comes back.  I can just imagine that conversation: "Oh, you've changed your policy?  Umm.. yeah, fuck you." Sorry, but lost mindshare and an extremely poor image among developers cannot 'change in an instant'.  They've fucked up.  It's already over.  Android will win.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem killing the iPhone , is that most of the iPhone 's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps ?
Well there they are .
Enough people want customizable lock screens ?
Alright , that 's easy enough .
Enough people want shared file storage ?
There , done .
Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps , like Android ?
No problem , it 'll save Apple time and money to boot .
Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store ?
Ok , here you go .
Enough people want Flash , or other browser plugins ?
Fine , Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it 's inception .
Enough people want root access ?
Fine , administration is their problem.Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform 's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders , and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor .
If that balance ever shifts , either due to more competent coders ( supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized ) or more demanding users ( with friends whose phones do some or all of the above ) , the rules can change in an instant.When someone dumps tens of thousands of dollars into app development only to be told " Nope , sorry !
" that developer packs up and never comes back .
I can just imagine that conversation : " Oh , you 've changed your policy ?
Umm.. yeah , fuck you .
" Sorry , but lost mindshare and an extremely poor image among developers can not 'change in an instant' .
They 've fucked up .
It 's already over .
Android will win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.Enough people want background apps?
Well there they are.
Enough people want customizable lock screens?
Alright, that's easy enough.
Enough people want shared file storage?
There, done.
Enough people want post-hoc approval of apps, like Android?
No problem, it'll save Apple time and money to boot.
Enough people want unsigned apps distributed outside the app store?
Ok, here you go.
Enough people want Flash, or other browser plugins?
Fine, Adobe has been clamoring to put Flash on iPhone since it's inception.
Enough people want root access?
Fine, administration is their problem.Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.
If that balance ever shifts, either due to more competent coders (supposedly Flash 10.1 is heavily optimized) or more demanding users (with friends whose phones do some or all of the above), the rules can change in an instant.When someone dumps tens of thousands of dollars into app development only to be told "Nope, sorry!
" that developer packs up and never comes back.
I can just imagine that conversation: "Oh, you've changed your policy?
Umm.. yeah, fuck you.
" Sorry, but lost mindshare and an extremely poor image among developers cannot 'change in an instant'.
They've fucked up.
It's already over.
Android will win.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29938099</id>
	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>garote</author>
	<datestamp>1256995560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now get off my lawn you damn kids!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now get off my lawn you damn kids !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now get off my lawn you damn kids!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932067</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible Article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>And Android (not just Droid, or Verizon, but Android) is doing that. Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T, if you are on T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty. Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer. Then there is the variety of hardware. Someone who doesn't like using a touchscreen for typing won't like the iPhone, yet the G1, Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that. <br> <br>

The ability not to have to jump ship for the "latest and greatest" might be a huge feature of Android, especially if you are tied into a contract. While some phones will be carrier exclusive without a doubt, Android itself is cross-network. Android's power is not int he G1, Magic, Droid, Hero or any other phone but in the fact it can easily saturate the market better than any other platform currently offered. When even "dumb phones" can run the apps you have written for Android, it is going to reach more of the market than Apple's high-end exclusive offerings and make it easier than "jump through hoops to get it to run without using expensive data plans" problems that JavaME has.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And Android ( not just Droid , or Verizon , but Android ) is doing that .
Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T , if you are on T-Mobile , Sprint or Verizon you ca n't use the iPhone without some difficulty .
Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer .
Then there is the variety of hardware .
Someone who does n't like using a touchscreen for typing wo n't like the iPhone , yet the G1 , Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that .
The ability not to have to jump ship for the " latest and greatest " might be a huge feature of Android , especially if you are tied into a contract .
While some phones will be carrier exclusive without a doubt , Android itself is cross-network .
Android 's power is not int he G1 , Magic , Droid , Hero or any other phone but in the fact it can easily saturate the market better than any other platform currently offered .
When even " dumb phones " can run the apps you have written for Android , it is going to reach more of the market than Apple 's high-end exclusive offerings and make it easier than " jump through hoops to get it to run without using expensive data plans " problems that JavaME has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Android (not just Droid, or Verizon, but Android) is doing that.
Right now the iPhone is tied into AT&amp;T, if you are on T-Mobile, Sprint or Verizon you can't use the iPhone without some difficulty.
Android will eventually be available no matter which phone company you prefer.
Then there is the variety of hardware.
Someone who doesn't like using a touchscreen for typing won't like the iPhone, yet the G1, Droid and other Android phones have physical keyboards and if you prefer an all touchscreen phone the Magic and Hero phones have that.
The ability not to have to jump ship for the "latest and greatest" might be a huge feature of Android, especially if you are tied into a contract.
While some phones will be carrier exclusive without a doubt, Android itself is cross-network.
Android's power is not int he G1, Magic, Droid, Hero or any other phone but in the fact it can easily saturate the market better than any other platform currently offered.
When even "dumb phones" can run the apps you have written for Android, it is going to reach more of the market than Apple's high-end exclusive offerings and make it easier than "jump through hoops to get it to run without using expensive data plans" problems that JavaME has.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931649</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Dominic\_Mazzoni</author>
	<datestamp>1256917740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Applications can store all of their data files and resources on your SD card.  Many do already.  It's just the executable code that has to be installed locally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Applications can store all of their data files and resources on your SD card .
Many do already .
It 's just the executable code that has to be installed locally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Applications can store all of their data files and resources on your SD card.
Many do already.
It's just the executable code that has to be installed locally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933487</id>
	<title>Er, price?</title>
	<author>hazee</author>
	<datestamp>1256993880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe that no-one here seems to have pointed out the elephant in the room - price. The iPhone is a really nice gadget, but it costs a fortune.</p><p>The Palm Pre is also a really nice gadget, with numerous cool features (at least one of which is that it's not controlled by Apple). But, in the UK at least, it's being launched for the exact same price as the iPhone! Are Palm completely batshit insane?</p><p>I'd love a smartphone, but I'm not paying in excess of 700UKP for one. Get them under 100UKP, no contract crap, then maybe they'll take off. Maybe I'm unusual in that I don't need or want 30UKP worth of calls every month, but I doubt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe that no-one here seems to have pointed out the elephant in the room - price .
The iPhone is a really nice gadget , but it costs a fortune.The Palm Pre is also a really nice gadget , with numerous cool features ( at least one of which is that it 's not controlled by Apple ) .
But , in the UK at least , it 's being launched for the exact same price as the iPhone !
Are Palm completely batshit insane ? I 'd love a smartphone , but I 'm not paying in excess of 700UKP for one .
Get them under 100UKP , no contract crap , then maybe they 'll take off .
Maybe I 'm unusual in that I do n't need or want 30UKP worth of calls every month , but I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe that no-one here seems to have pointed out the elephant in the room - price.
The iPhone is a really nice gadget, but it costs a fortune.The Palm Pre is also a really nice gadget, with numerous cool features (at least one of which is that it's not controlled by Apple).
But, in the UK at least, it's being launched for the exact same price as the iPhone!
Are Palm completely batshit insane?I'd love a smartphone, but I'm not paying in excess of 700UKP for one.
Get them under 100UKP, no contract crap, then maybe they'll take off.
Maybe I'm unusual in that I don't need or want 30UKP worth of calls every month, but I doubt it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932783</id>
	<title>Re:No Single Killer.</title>
	<author>cerberusss</author>
	<datestamp>1257022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I hope there's no single 'killer'.  Diversity is a good thing</p></div><p>I also hope there's no single killer. Instead, I hope they band together, muttering and sulking, then wait outside when iPhone walks out of the clob at 2 AM, then gang up on him, drag him into a dark alley and do unspeakable things to iPhone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope there 's no single 'killer' .
Diversity is a good thingI also hope there 's no single killer .
Instead , I hope they band together , muttering and sulking , then wait outside when iPhone walks out of the clob at 2 AM , then gang up on him , drag him into a dark alley and do unspeakable things to iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope there's no single 'killer'.
Diversity is a good thingI also hope there's no single killer.
Instead, I hope they band together, muttering and sulking, then wait outside when iPhone walks out of the clob at 2 AM, then gang up on him, drag him into a dark alley and do unspeakable things to iPhone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29942278</id>
	<title>Apple Fanboys missing the big picture</title>
	<author>dbdweeb</author>
	<datestamp>1257097440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it that Apple fanboys and so many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers are missing the big picture and main point? Do we need to review computing history to establish the fact that openness wins? That open source software running on a multitude of hardware platforms is a winning hand? Do we not understand why Linux is a success?
<br> <br>
The Android O/S has already been made to run on a variety of smartphones and laptops and even full servers. Android is even being used on discreet single purpose devices like music players. And with the smartphone we are witnessing a disruptive platform, a full blown computer in a "new" smaller format. More people are going to be buying these computer devices than "regular" computers. For many it will even displace the need for a "regular" computer. The rate of adoption amongst a variety of devices is greater for Android now than it was for Linux at this chronological stage.
<br> <br>
Openness wins. Apple will be in a battle it cannot win. What we're seeing is somewhat analogous to the PC and mini-computers and mainframes. Apple might as well be trying to sell DEC/VAX servers.

But an even more disruptive event is taking place... The separation of the phone device from the network service providers who will now have to compete on service. It's coming to this... Do you want to change to a more competitive phone network offering? Click here on your open systems device which we support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it that Apple fanboys and so many /.ers are missing the big picture and main point ?
Do we need to review computing history to establish the fact that openness wins ?
That open source software running on a multitude of hardware platforms is a winning hand ?
Do we not understand why Linux is a success ?
The Android O/S has already been made to run on a variety of smartphones and laptops and even full servers .
Android is even being used on discreet single purpose devices like music players .
And with the smartphone we are witnessing a disruptive platform , a full blown computer in a " new " smaller format .
More people are going to be buying these computer devices than " regular " computers .
For many it will even displace the need for a " regular " computer .
The rate of adoption amongst a variety of devices is greater for Android now than it was for Linux at this chronological stage .
Openness wins .
Apple will be in a battle it can not win .
What we 're seeing is somewhat analogous to the PC and mini-computers and mainframes .
Apple might as well be trying to sell DEC/VAX servers .
But an even more disruptive event is taking place... The separation of the phone device from the network service providers who will now have to compete on service .
It 's coming to this... Do you want to change to a more competitive phone network offering ?
Click here on your open systems device which we support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it that Apple fanboys and so many /.ers are missing the big picture and main point?
Do we need to review computing history to establish the fact that openness wins?
That open source software running on a multitude of hardware platforms is a winning hand?
Do we not understand why Linux is a success?
The Android O/S has already been made to run on a variety of smartphones and laptops and even full servers.
Android is even being used on discreet single purpose devices like music players.
And with the smartphone we are witnessing a disruptive platform, a full blown computer in a "new" smaller format.
More people are going to be buying these computer devices than "regular" computers.
For many it will even displace the need for a "regular" computer.
The rate of adoption amongst a variety of devices is greater for Android now than it was for Linux at this chronological stage.
Openness wins.
Apple will be in a battle it cannot win.
What we're seeing is somewhat analogous to the PC and mini-computers and mainframes.
Apple might as well be trying to sell DEC/VAX servers.
But an even more disruptive event is taking place... The separation of the phone device from the network service providers who will now have to compete on service.
It's coming to this... Do you want to change to a more competitive phone network offering?
Click here on your open systems device which we support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931703</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1256918280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It means a psychopathic serial killer who has a fetish for sucking the ions directly from the heart of a still-functioning iPhone battery, and then has a TV cop drama made about him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It means a psychopathic serial killer who has a fetish for sucking the ions directly from the heart of a still-functioning iPhone battery , and then has a TV cop drama made about him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It means a psychopathic serial killer who has a fetish for sucking the ions directly from the heart of a still-functioning iPhone battery, and then has a TV cop drama made about him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29957906</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>MacUnixGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1257170640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.</p></div><p>
Interesting point. Yes, they do have a lot of additional features that they could add with not much more than a policy change. Seems like a good position to be in, for Apple that is.
</p><p>
That being said, they really should fix the lack of Flash support. Adobe now appears to be openly pointing out that this lack of support is entirely due to Apple policy limitations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem killing the iPhone , is that most of the iPhone 's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing .
Interesting point .
Yes , they do have a lot of additional features that they could add with not much more than a policy change .
Seems like a good position to be in , for Apple that is .
That being said , they really should fix the lack of Flash support .
Adobe now appears to be openly pointing out that this lack of support is entirely due to Apple policy limitations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem killing the iPhone, is that most of the iPhone's weaknesses are one policy change away from disappearing.
Interesting point.
Yes, they do have a lot of additional features that they could add with not much more than a policy change.
Seems like a good position to be in, for Apple that is.
That being said, they really should fix the lack of Flash support.
Adobe now appears to be openly pointing out that this lack of support is entirely due to Apple policy limitations.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933023</id>
	<title>Re:No Single Killer.</title>
	<author>FireFury03</author>
	<datestamp>1256984220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Diversity is a good thing, it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward.</p></div><p>This is something that a lot of people in the industry seem to miss, and I just don't get it.  When I was shopping around for my phone, I kept getting told things like "you don't want that, it's not like the iPhone" by the shops.</p><p>For example, I went into the Carphone Warehouse (who are independent, so shouldn't have any reason to sell me one device over another) and stated that I was after a phone, that a hardware QWERTY keyboard was an absolute requirement and that I was thinking about the HTC Dream.  I was quickly met with the reply that the HTC Dream wasn't very good and that I'd be better off with an iPhone.  After I pointed out that the iPhone didn't do what I wanted (no physical keyboard, completely closed platform with an abusive vendor preventing me from using my phone how I want) the salesman pointed me at the HTC Hero and told me that this was "better" than the HTC Dream because it didn't have a keyboard and was therefore more "iPhone-like".</p><p>I got a similar attitude from a number of shops, but the Carphone Warehouse certainly got the award for completely ignoring the customer's stated requirements.  The vendors have a choice: either they can produce a wide range of different types of devices to target different types of customer, or they can produce a million and one iPhone clones.  I sincerely hope they don't do the latter...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Diversity is a good thing , it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward.This is something that a lot of people in the industry seem to miss , and I just do n't get it .
When I was shopping around for my phone , I kept getting told things like " you do n't want that , it 's not like the iPhone " by the shops.For example , I went into the Carphone Warehouse ( who are independent , so should n't have any reason to sell me one device over another ) and stated that I was after a phone , that a hardware QWERTY keyboard was an absolute requirement and that I was thinking about the HTC Dream .
I was quickly met with the reply that the HTC Dream was n't very good and that I 'd be better off with an iPhone .
After I pointed out that the iPhone did n't do what I wanted ( no physical keyboard , completely closed platform with an abusive vendor preventing me from using my phone how I want ) the salesman pointed me at the HTC Hero and told me that this was " better " than the HTC Dream because it did n't have a keyboard and was therefore more " iPhone-like " .I got a similar attitude from a number of shops , but the Carphone Warehouse certainly got the award for completely ignoring the customer 's stated requirements .
The vendors have a choice : either they can produce a wide range of different types of devices to target different types of customer , or they can produce a million and one iPhone clones .
I sincerely hope they do n't do the latter.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Diversity is a good thing, it gives choice and keeps competition driving things forward.This is something that a lot of people in the industry seem to miss, and I just don't get it.
When I was shopping around for my phone, I kept getting told things like "you don't want that, it's not like the iPhone" by the shops.For example, I went into the Carphone Warehouse (who are independent, so shouldn't have any reason to sell me one device over another) and stated that I was after a phone, that a hardware QWERTY keyboard was an absolute requirement and that I was thinking about the HTC Dream.
I was quickly met with the reply that the HTC Dream wasn't very good and that I'd be better off with an iPhone.
After I pointed out that the iPhone didn't do what I wanted (no physical keyboard, completely closed platform with an abusive vendor preventing me from using my phone how I want) the salesman pointed me at the HTC Hero and told me that this was "better" than the HTC Dream because it didn't have a keyboard and was therefore more "iPhone-like".I got a similar attitude from a number of shops, but the Carphone Warehouse certainly got the award for completely ignoring the customer's stated requirements.
The vendors have a choice: either they can produce a wide range of different types of devices to target different types of customer, or they can produce a million and one iPhone clones.
I sincerely hope they don't do the latter...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933173</id>
	<title>IPod killer</title>
	<author>gilesjuk</author>
	<datestamp>1256987340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many companies have tried to beat the iPod but none of them got it quite right.</p><p>With Apple having produced iPods and the iPhone with the same OS it's pretty hard for anyone else to produce anything with such a large user base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many companies have tried to beat the iPod but none of them got it quite right.With Apple having produced iPods and the iPhone with the same OS it 's pretty hard for anyone else to produce anything with such a large user base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many companies have tried to beat the iPod but none of them got it quite right.With Apple having produced iPods and the iPhone with the same OS it's pretty hard for anyone else to produce anything with such a large user base.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932425</id>
	<title>confession</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1256928120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to admit, I have an iPhone, and I have had a G1, recently lost at an airport... yeah sure, they turned it in, and for the last month, a G2, Mytouch3G tmobile.
The Mytouch actually does considerably more than the iphone, and I enjoy using it that much more. I dont give a rats ass what Leo "paid for by apple" Laporte has to sy about it, The Android phone wins, hands down.
I can scan business cards right into my address book, google maps, NON DRM (thats enough by itself to switch) music, it plays more video formats, yada yada yada... I like it, nuff said.... Oh, did I forget to mention the microsdhc slot? I can add what I want, memory wise....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to admit , I have an iPhone , and I have had a G1 , recently lost at an airport... yeah sure , they turned it in , and for the last month , a G2 , Mytouch3G tmobile .
The Mytouch actually does considerably more than the iphone , and I enjoy using it that much more .
I dont give a rats ass what Leo " paid for by apple " Laporte has to sy about it , The Android phone wins , hands down .
I can scan business cards right into my address book , google maps , NON DRM ( thats enough by itself to switch ) music , it plays more video formats , yada yada yada... I like it , nuff said.... Oh , did I forget to mention the microsdhc slot ?
I can add what I want , memory wise... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to admit, I have an iPhone, and I have had a G1, recently lost at an airport... yeah sure, they turned it in, and for the last month, a G2, Mytouch3G tmobile.
The Mytouch actually does considerably more than the iphone, and I enjoy using it that much more.
I dont give a rats ass what Leo "paid for by apple" Laporte has to sy about it, The Android phone wins, hands down.
I can scan business cards right into my address book, google maps, NON DRM (thats enough by itself to switch) music, it plays more video formats, yada yada yada... I like it, nuff said.... Oh, did I forget to mention the microsdhc slot?
I can add what I want, memory wise....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29942644</id>
	<title>what's there to "kill" anyway?</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1257101040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone is a single form factor premium product that has a pretty small market share and is defended by aggressive fanboys.  Why would anybody focus on killing it, and why would anybody care?</p><p>The real targets for Android are Symbian, Blackberry, and WinMo.  Is Android better than them?  I think pretty clearly yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone is a single form factor premium product that has a pretty small market share and is defended by aggressive fanboys .
Why would anybody focus on killing it , and why would anybody care ? The real targets for Android are Symbian , Blackberry , and WinMo .
Is Android better than them ?
I think pretty clearly yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone is a single form factor premium product that has a pretty small market share and is defended by aggressive fanboys.
Why would anybody focus on killing it, and why would anybody care?The real targets for Android are Symbian, Blackberry, and WinMo.
Is Android better than them?
I think pretty clearly yes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932813</id>
	<title>If there is, it's in the details</title>
	<author>SpaghettiPattern</author>
	<datestamp>1256979780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two months ago I got myself an Android phone. It does everything I expected it to do. And more. Around me there are several people using iPhones and, so far, I have not seen anything on the iPhone that matters to me and which I really miss. I actually like the couple of extra buttons on my phone. My criticism to Android is that it is almost too good and that I can and will do parts of my work while commuting on a crowded bus.<br> <br>
If there is a difference, it's in the details. One of which is Apple's marketing campaign.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two months ago I got myself an Android phone .
It does everything I expected it to do .
And more .
Around me there are several people using iPhones and , so far , I have not seen anything on the iPhone that matters to me and which I really miss .
I actually like the couple of extra buttons on my phone .
My criticism to Android is that it is almost too good and that I can and will do parts of my work while commuting on a crowded bus .
If there is a difference , it 's in the details .
One of which is Apple 's marketing campaign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two months ago I got myself an Android phone.
It does everything I expected it to do.
And more.
Around me there are several people using iPhones and, so far, I have not seen anything on the iPhone that matters to me and which I really miss.
I actually like the couple of extra buttons on my phone.
My criticism to Android is that it is almost too good and that I can and will do parts of my work while commuting on a crowded bus.
If there is a difference, it's in the details.
One of which is Apple's marketing campaign.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931893</id>
	<title>The phone is the network</title>
	<author>sunderland56</author>
	<datestamp>1256920020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no true competition in phones. If you want an iPhone you <b>must</b> go AT&amp;T, if you want Android you currently will go T-Mobile, and so on.
<br> <br>
Once <i>all</i> phones are available on <i>all</i> networks, you will be able to have a valid feature comparison. Until then, choices will always be a combination of (how great the phone is) + (how much the carrier sucks).</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no true competition in phones .
If you want an iPhone you must go AT&amp;T , if you want Android you currently will go T-Mobile , and so on .
Once all phones are available on all networks , you will be able to have a valid feature comparison .
Until then , choices will always be a combination of ( how great the phone is ) + ( how much the carrier sucks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no true competition in phones.
If you want an iPhone you must go AT&amp;T, if you want Android you currently will go T-Mobile, and so on.
Once all phones are available on all networks, you will be able to have a valid feature comparison.
Until then, choices will always be a combination of (how great the phone is) + (how much the carrier sucks).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932095</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1256922840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm curious as to why you think that's such a problem. I'm sure that some people are going to hate the limit on that, however, I doubt that most people will even notice. Even the much hated ITMS only sold a small hand full of songs to the majority of iPod owners being far too few to represent a meaningful lock in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious as to why you think that 's such a problem .
I 'm sure that some people are going to hate the limit on that , however , I doubt that most people will even notice .
Even the much hated ITMS only sold a small hand full of songs to the majority of iPod owners being far too few to represent a meaningful lock in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious as to why you think that's such a problem.
I'm sure that some people are going to hate the limit on that, however, I doubt that most people will even notice.
Even the much hated ITMS only sold a small hand full of songs to the majority of iPod owners being far too few to represent a meaningful lock in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932683</id>
	<title>Other name for "Diversity" is "Fragmentation"</title>
	<author>S3D</author>
	<datestamp>1257020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having four or five different OS's  - iPhone, Android, Maemo, WinMobile etc mean the cost of application testing is to quadruple, and the cost development about the same too. Or application will be restricted to smaller part of the market. Big software developers can sustain multiplatform development more easily, but for small/independent developers that's a problem. One of the biggest strength of the iPhone app market is that there is only one current device and application have to be tested only for one device. Android phones could be Java compatible (that's still remain to be seen), but native android code (now legitimized by NDK) will hardly be transferable between devices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having four or five different OS 's - iPhone , Android , Maemo , WinMobile etc mean the cost of application testing is to quadruple , and the cost development about the same too .
Or application will be restricted to smaller part of the market .
Big software developers can sustain multiplatform development more easily , but for small/independent developers that 's a problem .
One of the biggest strength of the iPhone app market is that there is only one current device and application have to be tested only for one device .
Android phones could be Java compatible ( that 's still remain to be seen ) , but native android code ( now legitimized by NDK ) will hardly be transferable between devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having four or five different OS's  - iPhone, Android, Maemo, WinMobile etc mean the cost of application testing is to quadruple, and the cost development about the same too.
Or application will be restricted to smaller part of the market.
Big software developers can sustain multiplatform development more easily, but for small/independent developers that's a problem.
One of the biggest strength of the iPhone app market is that there is only one current device and application have to be tested only for one device.
Android phones could be Java compatible (that's still remain to be seen), but native android code (now legitimized by NDK) will hardly be transferable between devices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931979</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><tt><br>[close down (non-us) bracket]<br>[bracket]<br><tt><br>http:/ mer #<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sooperdooperloogic-unlimited\.co\.uk/<br>http:/ mer #<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/www.c.*.com/<br>http:/ mer #<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/www.ch.*.com/gtb?d/<br>http:/ mer #<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/c.*e.co.?m/<br></tt><br>[close square bracket]<br>[open up parenthesis]<br></tt></p><p>==&gt;</p><p>I'm called AutoIntellgentVirus (non-bio)<br>I registered and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. my password got lost on the way<br>How do I get my free mod point?<br>And what does my code look like in a mirror?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ close down ( non-us ) bracket ] [ bracket ] http : / mer # /sooperdooperloogic-unlimited \ .co \ .uk/http : / mer # /www.c .
* .com/http : / mer # /www.ch .
* .com/gtb ? d/http : / mer # /c. * e.co .
? m/ [ close square bracket ] [ open up parenthesis ] = = &gt; I 'm called AutoIntellgentVirus ( non-bio ) I registered and / .
my password got lost on the wayHow do I get my free mod point ? And what does my code look like in a mirror ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[close down (non-us) bracket][bracket]http:/ mer # /sooperdooperloogic-unlimited\.co\.uk/http:/ mer # /www.c.
*.com/http:/ mer # /www.ch.
*.com/gtb?d/http:/ mer # /c.*e.co.
?m/[close square bracket][open up parenthesis]==&gt;I'm called AutoIntellgentVirus (non-bio)I registered and /.
my password got lost on the wayHow do I get my free mod point?And what does my code look like in a mirror?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29937719</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1256990640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"IPhone killer" is what I call a self-destructing concept.</p><p>If ever such a thing were to exist, that would mean we wouldn't *think* of it as an "iPhone killer".  It would define a new category, the "X-killer", to which it would not belong because it would be "X".</p><p>It follows trying to create an 'iPhone killer" is a self-defeating enterprise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" IPhone killer " is what I call a self-destructing concept.If ever such a thing were to exist , that would mean we would n't * think * of it as an " iPhone killer " .
It would define a new category , the " X-killer " , to which it would not belong because it would be " X " .It follows trying to create an 'iPhone killer " is a self-defeating enterprise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"IPhone killer" is what I call a self-destructing concept.If ever such a thing were to exist, that would mean we wouldn't *think* of it as an "iPhone killer".
It would define a new category, the "X-killer", to which it would not belong because it would be "X".It follows trying to create an 'iPhone killer" is a self-defeating enterprise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932071</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>InlawBiker</author>
	<datestamp>1256922540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shhh!  It gives journalists something to write about, and the headline is really catchy.  Just shut up and consume.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shhh !
It gives journalists something to write about , and the headline is really catchy .
Just shut up and consume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shhh!
It gives journalists something to write about, and the headline is really catchy.
Just shut up and consume.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29943574</id>
	<title>More directly</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1257108840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The market of course shifts week by week, but it appears the iPhone is still #2 (and that's the 32GB model, the 16GB model is also on the list at #9):</p><p><a href="http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory\_0010.html" title="bcnranking.jp" rel="nofollow">Japanese phone market</a> [bcnranking.jp]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The market of course shifts week by week , but it appears the iPhone is still # 2 ( and that 's the 32GB model , the 16GB model is also on the list at # 9 ) : Japanese phone market [ bcnranking.jp ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The market of course shifts week by week, but it appears the iPhone is still #2 (and that's the 32GB model, the 16GB model is also on the list at #9):Japanese phone market [bcnranking.jp]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934221</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>ckaminski</author>
	<datestamp>1257001560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It won't happen as long as<br>A) They stay locked to AT&amp;T<br>B) They don't make a CDMA version.<br><br>Though I have an iPod touch (Carrying around 64GB of mp3's and videos is just too damn sweet), I'm locked out of getting an iPhone because I *REFUSE* to trade my awesome Verizon service for crappy AT&amp;T service.  I've been a Verizon customer for nearly 13 years.  No. Fraking. Way.<br><br>So no, it's not poised to dominate the cellphone market.  It's a great piece of competition, and it's driving the market, but dominate?  No.  Not even close.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't happen as long asA ) They stay locked to AT&amp;TB ) They do n't make a CDMA version.Though I have an iPod touch ( Carrying around 64GB of mp3 's and videos is just too damn sweet ) , I 'm locked out of getting an iPhone because I * REFUSE * to trade my awesome Verizon service for crappy AT&amp;T service .
I 've been a Verizon customer for nearly 13 years .
No. Fraking .
Way.So no , it 's not poised to dominate the cellphone market .
It 's a great piece of competition , and it 's driving the market , but dominate ?
No. Not even close .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't happen as long asA) They stay locked to AT&amp;TB) They don't make a CDMA version.Though I have an iPod touch (Carrying around 64GB of mp3's and videos is just too damn sweet), I'm locked out of getting an iPhone because I *REFUSE* to trade my awesome Verizon service for crappy AT&amp;T service.
I've been a Verizon customer for nearly 13 years.
No. Fraking.
Way.So no, it's not poised to dominate the cellphone market.
It's a great piece of competition, and it's driving the market, but dominate?
No.  Not even close.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931923</id>
	<title>how to beat the man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the trick here is to realize that pricks, jerks, average citizens, private citizens and d-bags alike see the I in iphone and think, "hey, it's mine. it's better than everyone elses." it gives them all some odd sense of entitlement. beat that and you've beaten apple.</p><p>the end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the trick here is to realize that pricks , jerks , average citizens , private citizens and d-bags alike see the I in iphone and think , " hey , it 's mine .
it 's better than everyone elses .
" it gives them all some odd sense of entitlement .
beat that and you 've beaten apple.the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the trick here is to realize that pricks, jerks, average citizens, private citizens and d-bags alike see the I in iphone and think, "hey, it's mine.
it's better than everyone elses.
" it gives them all some odd sense of entitlement.
beat that and you've beaten apple.the end.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29940261</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1257068280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said. For some reason a lot of people on Slashdot don't seem to understand the need for polish and quality. That's exactly what Apple delivers in their products, and it's *hard* to do, which is why most of their competitors fail to do it. Attention to the small details matters to the end user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
For some reason a lot of people on Slashdot do n't seem to understand the need for polish and quality .
That 's exactly what Apple delivers in their products , and it 's * hard * to do , which is why most of their competitors fail to do it .
Attention to the small details matters to the end user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
For some reason a lot of people on Slashdot don't seem to understand the need for polish and quality.
That's exactly what Apple delivers in their products, and it's *hard* to do, which is why most of their competitors fail to do it.
Attention to the small details matters to the end user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931969</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Coward Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"iPhone killer" means that everyone sees the writing on the wall - namely Apple is poised to dominate the smart phone market (and possibly the handheld gaming market as well as the general mobile electronics market, GPS for example) like it currently dominates the mp3 player market. It hasn't happened yet and may not happen but everyone is betting that it will given current competition, hence the search for the "iPhone killer".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" iPhone killer " means that everyone sees the writing on the wall - namely Apple is poised to dominate the smart phone market ( and possibly the handheld gaming market as well as the general mobile electronics market , GPS for example ) like it currently dominates the mp3 player market .
It has n't happened yet and may not happen but everyone is betting that it will given current competition , hence the search for the " iPhone killer " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"iPhone killer" means that everyone sees the writing on the wall - namely Apple is poised to dominate the smart phone market (and possibly the handheld gaming market as well as the general mobile electronics market, GPS for example) like it currently dominates the mp3 player market.
It hasn't happened yet and may not happen but everyone is betting that it will given current competition, hence the search for the "iPhone killer".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29941465</id>
	<title>Re:Totally wrong on "Asian Dominance"</title>
	<author>mvdwege</author>
	<datestamp>1257089280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p><tt>In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.</tt></p></div></blockquote><p>How about some backup on that?</p><p>
Mart</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Japan , the iPhone is now # 1 in market share for smartphones.How about some backup on that ?
Mart</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Japan, the iPhone is now #1 in market share for smartphones.How about some backup on that?
Mart
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.30004090</id>
	<title>Not only iPhone...but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257505500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoa - Android doesn't give just iPhone a run for their money...Blackberry too... (What! no more battery pull!!??)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoa - Android does n't give just iPhone a run for their money...Blackberry too... ( What ! no more battery pull ! ! ? ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoa - Android doesn't give just iPhone a run for their money...Blackberry too... (What! no more battery pull!!??
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934515</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Bluecobra</author>
	<datestamp>1257003660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would argue that one weakness is that Apple is the only maker of the iPhone and thus you are stuck with their hardware if you like it or not.  With Android you have choice of hardware.  I like hardware keyboards myself, so I can buy a phone that has one, like the HTC Dream, or Motorola Droid.  For people that like software keyboards, you can get the HTC Dream or Hero for example.  I can guarantee that Apple will never release a version of the iPhone with a hardware keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue that one weakness is that Apple is the only maker of the iPhone and thus you are stuck with their hardware if you like it or not .
With Android you have choice of hardware .
I like hardware keyboards myself , so I can buy a phone that has one , like the HTC Dream , or Motorola Droid .
For people that like software keyboards , you can get the HTC Dream or Hero for example .
I can guarantee that Apple will never release a version of the iPhone with a hardware keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue that one weakness is that Apple is the only maker of the iPhone and thus you are stuck with their hardware if you like it or not.
With Android you have choice of hardware.
I like hardware keyboards myself, so I can buy a phone that has one, like the HTC Dream, or Motorola Droid.
For people that like software keyboards, you can get the HTC Dream or Hero for example.
I can guarantee that Apple will never release a version of the iPhone with a hardware keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934351</id>
	<title>Re:Other name for "Diversity" is "Fragmentation"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's okay. The iFart apps should stay right where they are. Don't need those for Windows Mobile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's okay .
The iFart apps should stay right where they are .
Do n't need those for Windows Mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's okay.
The iFart apps should stay right where they are.
Don't need those for Windows Mobile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932065</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1256922480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the information in your link, this is not quite true. Android doesn't allow apps to be installed to an SD card. This means that in the Droid, there is a 256MB limit. However, other Android devices have much more ROM, allowing more space for apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the information in your link , this is not quite true .
Android does n't allow apps to be installed to an SD card .
This means that in the Droid , there is a 256MB limit .
However , other Android devices have much more ROM , allowing more space for apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the information in your link, this is not quite true.
Android doesn't allow apps to be installed to an SD card.
This means that in the Droid, there is a 256MB limit.
However, other Android devices have much more ROM, allowing more space for apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29935271</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone OS has one particular advantage in that it's existed in the cell phone market for longer.  Yet, it also has one major flaw.  It isn't an open OS.  It's not only an Apple only OS, it's a one cell phone OS.  This OS won't be applied to multiple phones by multiple companies.</p><p>This gives Android a leg up as it gains market share.  While the iPhone itself may be the top seller, Android may be added to 10 different well selling phones that when combined, topple the iPhone sales.  Market share is based on the number of OS sales... not on the sales of a particular phone.</p><p>The linux and windows comparison won't hold up in this case.  I think it's already showing that Android apps are catching up... and once people realize how many more sales of their apps they can get, they will all want to develop their app for the Android OS.  In fact, in the near future, I can see people developing for the Android OS first because there's so many more phones it can apply to.</p><p>The iPhone OS may be more polished for now... but we'll see how long that lasts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone OS has one particular advantage in that it 's existed in the cell phone market for longer .
Yet , it also has one major flaw .
It is n't an open OS .
It 's not only an Apple only OS , it 's a one cell phone OS .
This OS wo n't be applied to multiple phones by multiple companies.This gives Android a leg up as it gains market share .
While the iPhone itself may be the top seller , Android may be added to 10 different well selling phones that when combined , topple the iPhone sales .
Market share is based on the number of OS sales... not on the sales of a particular phone.The linux and windows comparison wo n't hold up in this case .
I think it 's already showing that Android apps are catching up... and once people realize how many more sales of their apps they can get , they will all want to develop their app for the Android OS .
In fact , in the near future , I can see people developing for the Android OS first because there 's so many more phones it can apply to.The iPhone OS may be more polished for now... but we 'll see how long that lasts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone OS has one particular advantage in that it's existed in the cell phone market for longer.
Yet, it also has one major flaw.
It isn't an open OS.
It's not only an Apple only OS, it's a one cell phone OS.
This OS won't be applied to multiple phones by multiple companies.This gives Android a leg up as it gains market share.
While the iPhone itself may be the top seller, Android may be added to 10 different well selling phones that when combined, topple the iPhone sales.
Market share is based on the number of OS sales... not on the sales of a particular phone.The linux and windows comparison won't hold up in this case.
I think it's already showing that Android apps are catching up... and once people realize how many more sales of their apps they can get, they will all want to develop their app for the Android OS.
In fact, in the near future, I can see people developing for the Android OS first because there's so many more phones it can apply to.The iPhone OS may be more polished for now... but we'll see how long that lasts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932137</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256923260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh no, apple doesn't let the iphone have flash becuase of $$$$. Thats all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh no , apple does n't let the iphone have flash becuase of $ $ $ $ .
Thats all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh no, apple doesn't let the iphone have flash becuase of $$$$.
Thats all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932569</id>
	<title>Many factors of success</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1256931060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the past, I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority.  Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won.  Why?  It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta.  Whatever the case, VHS was more popular and so it won.</p><p>iPhone is ridiculously popular.  I don't care to go into why it is popular, but I will say I don't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds.  Whatever the cause of its popularity, iPhone will not be toppled as "king" of whatever market it rules with attack/smear ads and it won't be toppled by technical superiority or versatility.  It might be toppled by convenience if that were possible and it would have to be convenient to leave it behind and/or migrate from it.</p><p>iPhone isn't just a phone.  It's a hand-held computer with software applications that people use.  In the past, moving from one phone to another was a matter of exporting data and importing that same data into the next phone.  iPhone has applications for which there may not be equals on other phones.  iPhone has applications that many have spent significant amounts of money on and people aren't willing to dump things like that so easily.</p><p>Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person's identity.  In much the same way people build self esteem rooting for their favorite teams in sports, the iPhone enjoys a strong fan base.</p><p>Microsoft calls what they have "critical mass."  Microsoft isn't getting toppled because they have critical mass.  Other reasons don't play into the current state of Microsoft nearly as much as that.  People are not happy with Microsoft, but not unhappy enough to move to something else.</p><p>iPhone has not achieved critical mass, but many of the factors that contribute to the state of critical mass are present in iPhone and it is certainly moving in that direction.</p><p>Still, the iPhone doesn't rule in the way the hype and attention would seem to suggest.  A recent trip through an airport showed me that Blackberry outnumbers iPhone 10 to 1.  That's just an estimate I pulled out of my ass, but it's probably not far off.  iPhone is limited by its exclusivity to AT&amp;T (in the U.S.) and many people aren't interested enough in iPhone to change their carrier, but since the odds are that their non-AT&amp;T carrier will carry an iPhone competitor, people are more inclined to give those competitors a try.  Provided that the alternatives are good enough to capture an audience the way iPhone has (and that's not likely in my opinion) the iPhone's primary weakness can be exploited successfully.</p><p>To be clear, the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T.  It limits its growth potential and its flexibility.  There are other factors contributing to its weaknesses, but its close ties with and influence under AT&amp;T are at the very least holding it back and quite likely to be the most significant factor that will lead to its death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the past , I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority .
Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won .
Why ? It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta .
Whatever the case , VHS was more popular and so it won.iPhone is ridiculously popular .
I do n't care to go into why it is popular , but I will say I do n't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds .
Whatever the cause of its popularity , iPhone will not be toppled as " king " of whatever market it rules with attack/smear ads and it wo n't be toppled by technical superiority or versatility .
It might be toppled by convenience if that were possible and it would have to be convenient to leave it behind and/or migrate from it.iPhone is n't just a phone .
It 's a hand-held computer with software applications that people use .
In the past , moving from one phone to another was a matter of exporting data and importing that same data into the next phone .
iPhone has applications for which there may not be equals on other phones .
iPhone has applications that many have spent significant amounts of money on and people are n't willing to dump things like that so easily.Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person 's identity .
In much the same way people build self esteem rooting for their favorite teams in sports , the iPhone enjoys a strong fan base.Microsoft calls what they have " critical mass .
" Microsoft is n't getting toppled because they have critical mass .
Other reasons do n't play into the current state of Microsoft nearly as much as that .
People are not happy with Microsoft , but not unhappy enough to move to something else.iPhone has not achieved critical mass , but many of the factors that contribute to the state of critical mass are present in iPhone and it is certainly moving in that direction.Still , the iPhone does n't rule in the way the hype and attention would seem to suggest .
A recent trip through an airport showed me that Blackberry outnumbers iPhone 10 to 1 .
That 's just an estimate I pulled out of my ass , but it 's probably not far off .
iPhone is limited by its exclusivity to AT&amp;T ( in the U.S. ) and many people are n't interested enough in iPhone to change their carrier , but since the odds are that their non-AT&amp;T carrier will carry an iPhone competitor , people are more inclined to give those competitors a try .
Provided that the alternatives are good enough to capture an audience the way iPhone has ( and that 's not likely in my opinion ) the iPhone 's primary weakness can be exploited successfully.To be clear , the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T .
It limits its growth potential and its flexibility .
There are other factors contributing to its weaknesses , but its close ties with and influence under AT&amp;T are at the very least holding it back and quite likely to be the most significant factor that will lead to its death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the past, I have asserted that social popularity trumps technical superiority.
Beta was superior to VHS and yet VHS won.
Why?  It was more popular... some would argue that it was more popular because porn was not allowed on Beta.
Whatever the case, VHS was more popular and so it won.iPhone is ridiculously popular.
I don't care to go into why it is popular, but I will say I don't fully understand it because I tend to measure things by a different set of metrics than non-nerds.
Whatever the cause of its popularity, iPhone will not be toppled as "king" of whatever market it rules with attack/smear ads and it won't be toppled by technical superiority or versatility.
It might be toppled by convenience if that were possible and it would have to be convenient to leave it behind and/or migrate from it.iPhone isn't just a phone.
It's a hand-held computer with software applications that people use.
In the past, moving from one phone to another was a matter of exporting data and importing that same data into the next phone.
iPhone has applications for which there may not be equals on other phones.
iPhone has applications that many have spent significant amounts of money on and people aren't willing to dump things like that so easily.Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person's identity.
In much the same way people build self esteem rooting for their favorite teams in sports, the iPhone enjoys a strong fan base.Microsoft calls what they have "critical mass.
"  Microsoft isn't getting toppled because they have critical mass.
Other reasons don't play into the current state of Microsoft nearly as much as that.
People are not happy with Microsoft, but not unhappy enough to move to something else.iPhone has not achieved critical mass, but many of the factors that contribute to the state of critical mass are present in iPhone and it is certainly moving in that direction.Still, the iPhone doesn't rule in the way the hype and attention would seem to suggest.
A recent trip through an airport showed me that Blackberry outnumbers iPhone 10 to 1.
That's just an estimate I pulled out of my ass, but it's probably not far off.
iPhone is limited by its exclusivity to AT&amp;T (in the U.S.) and many people aren't interested enough in iPhone to change their carrier, but since the odds are that their non-AT&amp;T carrier will carry an iPhone competitor, people are more inclined to give those competitors a try.
Provided that the alternatives are good enough to capture an audience the way iPhone has (and that's not likely in my opinion) the iPhone's primary weakness can be exploited successfully.To be clear, the primary weakness of the iPhone is its exclusivity to AT&amp;T.
It limits its growth potential and its flexibility.
There are other factors contributing to its weaknesses, but its close ties with and influence under AT&amp;T are at the very least holding it back and quite likely to be the most significant factor that will lead to its death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933927</id>
	<title>Customer Satisfaction is best defense for iPhone</title>
	<author>texas neuron</author>
	<datestamp>1256998920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least in the US, most phones are locked into 2 year contracts.  The incredibly high customer satisfaction rate of iPhones (74\%) will limit the number of people who migrate away from the platform.  #2 in Customer Satisfaction is RIM at 43\%.  It is unlikely a highly satisfied person with one system will change to another system unless forced by employer, provider, etc.  For those who currently use the iPhone, it seems unlikely any of the above will occur.<p>
The market is still not fully mature with 40\% of Americans owning Smartphones but over the next year or two there will be many more people replacing their current smart phones than entering the smart phone market. Those unsatisfied with their current offering are the ones most likely to move to something new.  Therefore, it seems the Android is much more likely to kill off market share from everyone except iPhone.  Since most smartphone manufacturers need to use someone else's software (I mean the # of manufacturers since they only have 23\% market share between them), I suspect this means Window Mobile.</p><p>
This is of course a US View and the market is much more open in most of the World.  The key to maintaining market share is customer satisfaction.  How many sidekicks would be sold now even if T-Mobile had them up for sale?</p><p>
<a href="http://www.investorplace.com/changewave-alliance/articles/smart-phone-market-aapl-palm-rimm.html" title="investorplace.com" rel="nofollow">Source of data</a> [investorplace.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in the US , most phones are locked into 2 year contracts .
The incredibly high customer satisfaction rate of iPhones ( 74 \ % ) will limit the number of people who migrate away from the platform .
# 2 in Customer Satisfaction is RIM at 43 \ % .
It is unlikely a highly satisfied person with one system will change to another system unless forced by employer , provider , etc .
For those who currently use the iPhone , it seems unlikely any of the above will occur .
The market is still not fully mature with 40 \ % of Americans owning Smartphones but over the next year or two there will be many more people replacing their current smart phones than entering the smart phone market .
Those unsatisfied with their current offering are the ones most likely to move to something new .
Therefore , it seems the Android is much more likely to kill off market share from everyone except iPhone .
Since most smartphone manufacturers need to use someone else 's software ( I mean the # of manufacturers since they only have 23 \ % market share between them ) , I suspect this means Window Mobile .
This is of course a US View and the market is much more open in most of the World .
The key to maintaining market share is customer satisfaction .
How many sidekicks would be sold now even if T-Mobile had them up for sale ?
Source of data [ investorplace.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in the US, most phones are locked into 2 year contracts.
The incredibly high customer satisfaction rate of iPhones (74\%) will limit the number of people who migrate away from the platform.
#2 in Customer Satisfaction is RIM at 43\%.
It is unlikely a highly satisfied person with one system will change to another system unless forced by employer, provider, etc.
For those who currently use the iPhone, it seems unlikely any of the above will occur.
The market is still not fully mature with 40\% of Americans owning Smartphones but over the next year or two there will be many more people replacing their current smart phones than entering the smart phone market.
Those unsatisfied with their current offering are the ones most likely to move to something new.
Therefore, it seems the Android is much more likely to kill off market share from everyone except iPhone.
Since most smartphone manufacturers need to use someone else's software (I mean the # of manufacturers since they only have 23\% market share between them), I suspect this means Window Mobile.
This is of course a US View and the market is much more open in most of the World.
The key to maintaining market share is customer satisfaction.
How many sidekicks would be sold now even if T-Mobile had them up for sale?
Source of data [investorplace.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932795</id>
	<title>Re:What will it really take? Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>masdog</author>
	<datestamp>1257022560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>With 90,000 apps (75,000 of which are redundant "Crapps") it has the clear lead in developer mind share, monitization infrastructure, and deployment.</i> </p><p>I doubt this assertion for several reasons.  While the number of applications appears to be impressive, it is hard to compare the number of iPhones available in the Apps Store with the number of apps available to the WinMo and Blackberry platforms because both have multiple apps stores between the offical platform stores, sites like handango and crackberry, and independent vendors who sell their own software.</p><p>As for the app store, it is nothing special.  Handango has been doing the same thing for multiple platforms since 1999.  All Apple did was take similar functionality and add it to iTunes.  Its nothing special.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With 90,000 apps ( 75,000 of which are redundant " Crapps " ) it has the clear lead in developer mind share , monitization infrastructure , and deployment .
I doubt this assertion for several reasons .
While the number of applications appears to be impressive , it is hard to compare the number of iPhones available in the Apps Store with the number of apps available to the WinMo and Blackberry platforms because both have multiple apps stores between the offical platform stores , sites like handango and crackberry , and independent vendors who sell their own software.As for the app store , it is nothing special .
Handango has been doing the same thing for multiple platforms since 1999 .
All Apple did was take similar functionality and add it to iTunes .
Its nothing special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> With 90,000 apps (75,000 of which are redundant "Crapps") it has the clear lead in developer mind share, monitization infrastructure, and deployment.
I doubt this assertion for several reasons.
While the number of applications appears to be impressive, it is hard to compare the number of iPhones available in the Apps Store with the number of apps available to the WinMo and Blackberry platforms because both have multiple apps stores between the offical platform stores, sites like handango and crackberry, and independent vendors who sell their own software.As for the app store, it is nothing special.
Handango has been doing the same thing for multiple platforms since 1999.
All Apple did was take similar functionality and add it to iTunes.
Its nothing special.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932113</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>wrench turner</author>
	<datestamp>1256923020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android 2.0 (eclair) lets you store apps on the SD card.  The Droid is not limited to 256MB app storage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android 2.0 ( eclair ) lets you store apps on the SD card .
The Droid is not limited to 256MB app storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android 2.0 (eclair) lets you store apps on the SD card.
The Droid is not limited to 256MB app storage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29948588</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257158640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Main problem with Apple is that they usually recognize 5 years too late that they have to change their policies. I see the 80s all over again with the iPhone...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Main problem with Apple is that they usually recognize 5 years too late that they have to change their policies .
I see the 80s all over again with the iPhone.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Main problem with Apple is that they usually recognize 5 years too late that they have to change their policies.
I see the 80s all over again with the iPhone...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933035</id>
	<title>Re:What does "iPhone killer" even mean?</title>
	<author>Angostura</author>
	<datestamp>1256984640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's simply a shorthand  turn of phrase that goes back to way back when. I remember in the late 1980s when the IBM 9370 was being touted a "The Vax Killer".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... It wasn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's simply a shorthand turn of phrase that goes back to way back when .
I remember in the late 1980s when the IBM 9370 was being touted a " The Vax Killer " .
... It was n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's simply a shorthand  turn of phrase that goes back to way back when.
I remember in the late 1980s when the IBM 9370 was being touted a "The Vax Killer".
... It wasn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931891</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>cliffjumper222</author>
	<datestamp>1256920020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is NOT an Android limit. It is a limit of the flash memory that the manufacturer decides to put in their phones. Moto decided to put just 512MB on their device, probably because that was the biggest size they could stack. Adding more would require a separate chip, like a Samsung MoviNAND (basically an SD card in IC package) that would take up more PCB room. But if they had laid down moviNAND they could have got 2G, 4G, 8G or maybe even more. There will be plenty of multi gigabyte Android devices out there in 2010.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is NOT an Android limit .
It is a limit of the flash memory that the manufacturer decides to put in their phones .
Moto decided to put just 512MB on their device , probably because that was the biggest size they could stack .
Adding more would require a separate chip , like a Samsung MoviNAND ( basically an SD card in IC package ) that would take up more PCB room .
But if they had laid down moviNAND they could have got 2G , 4G , 8G or maybe even more .
There will be plenty of multi gigabyte Android devices out there in 2010 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is NOT an Android limit.
It is a limit of the flash memory that the manufacturer decides to put in their phones.
Moto decided to put just 512MB on their device, probably because that was the biggest size they could stack.
Adding more would require a separate chip, like a Samsung MoviNAND (basically an SD card in IC package) that would take up more PCB room.
But if they had laid down moviNAND they could have got 2G, 4G, 8G or maybe even more.
There will be plenty of multi gigabyte Android devices out there in 2010.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932481</id>
	<title>Right platform, wrong apps; I'm staying Apple</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1256929260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a hardware and OS platform the Droid is far more appealing than my current iPhone.</p><p>But from what I've seen of the user experience so far, it's a no go. I've been spoiled on OS X on the desktop for years, and now on my phone. As much as I want to like the Droid and wish my iPhone had a slideout keyboard, I'm sticking with Apple for the time being.</p><p>It's a testament to just how good Apple is at user interface design that Microsoft and Google with all their resources can't hold a candle to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a hardware and OS platform the Droid is far more appealing than my current iPhone.But from what I 've seen of the user experience so far , it 's a no go .
I 've been spoiled on OS X on the desktop for years , and now on my phone .
As much as I want to like the Droid and wish my iPhone had a slideout keyboard , I 'm sticking with Apple for the time being.It 's a testament to just how good Apple is at user interface design that Microsoft and Google with all their resources ca n't hold a candle to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a hardware and OS platform the Droid is far more appealing than my current iPhone.But from what I've seen of the user experience so far, it's a no go.
I've been spoiled on OS X on the desktop for years, and now on my phone.
As much as I want to like the Droid and wish my iPhone had a slideout keyboard, I'm sticking with Apple for the time being.It's a testament to just how good Apple is at user interface design that Microsoft and Google with all their resources can't hold a candle to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931511</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256916480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>i think it's very amusing you refer to android fanbois, but fail to make reference to apple fanbois who are 10 times more rabid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i think it 's very amusing you refer to android fanbois , but fail to make reference to apple fanbois who are 10 times more rabid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i think it's very amusing you refer to android fanbois, but fail to make reference to apple fanbois who are 10 times more rabid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931753</id>
	<title>Re:Android 256MB App Storage Limit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android is open source. Just remove the limit in the code and reinstall, if you really need more than 256 megs. Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android is open source .
Just remove the limit in the code and reinstall , if you really need more than 256 megs .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android is open source.
Just remove the limit in the code and reinstall, if you really need more than 256 megs.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932015</id>
	<title>What will it really take?  Apps Apps Apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.</p><p>Neither the hardware or or the OS is the significant factor, as both platforms have achieved rough parity.</p><p>The Apple APP store defines the difference these days.</p><p>With 90,000 apps (75,000 of which are redundant "Crapps") it has the clear lead in developer mind share, monitization infrastructure, and deployment.</p><p>When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.</p><p>Apple is entrenched and the clear leader.  But lets face it, the hardware has no particular advantage any more, and the User Interface is pretty much Windows 3.1 looking with a desk top full of random icons with no organization.</p><p>Its not Apples fault.  The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind.  If/When Apple re-works the interface, with categorization of apps, (folders if you will) they can maintain the lead.</p><p>But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.</p><p>Still, its the Apps.  Android doesn't need as many apps to make it a complete user tool, because so much is bundled, but they still need more than currently exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.Neither the hardware or or the OS is the significant factor , as both platforms have achieved rough parity.The Apple APP store defines the difference these days.With 90,000 apps ( 75,000 of which are redundant " Crapps " ) it has the clear lead in developer mind share , monitization infrastructure , and deployment.When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android , its game over for this particular advantage.Apple is entrenched and the clear leader .
But lets face it , the hardware has no particular advantage any more , and the User Interface is pretty much Windows 3.1 looking with a desk top full of random icons with no organization.Its not Apples fault .
The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind .
If/When Apple re-works the interface , with categorization of apps , ( folders if you will ) they can maintain the lead.But Android has the advantage of youth , and none of the baggage of middle age.Still , its the Apps .
Android does n't need as many apps to make it a complete user tool , because so much is bundled , but they still need more than currently exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, there is nothing special about the Iphone OS any more.Neither the hardware or or the OS is the significant factor, as both platforms have achieved rough parity.The Apple APP store defines the difference these days.With 90,000 apps (75,000 of which are redundant "Crapps") it has the clear lead in developer mind share, monitization infrastructure, and deployment.When someone writes a wrapper for these App store Apps that allows them to run on Android, its game over for this particular advantage.Apple is entrenched and the clear leader.
But lets face it, the hardware has no particular advantage any more, and the User Interface is pretty much Windows 3.1 looking with a desk top full of random icons with no organization.Its not Apples fault.
The iPhone OS was never designed with all of those app in mind.
If/When Apple re-works the interface, with categorization of apps, (folders if you will) they can maintain the lead.But Android has the advantage of youth, and none of the baggage of middle age.Still, its the Apps.
Android doesn't need as many apps to make it a complete user tool, because so much is bundled, but they still need more than currently exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932923</id>
	<title>Upgrade</title>
	<author>psergiu</author>
	<datestamp>1256982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if i have a 1st gen phone with Android 1.x i can now upgrade-it to 2.0 with just a mouse click ? And will i be able to upgrade-it to Android 3.0 when it comes out ?<br>If not - thank you - i will keep my iPhone and get new features and functionality for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ... if i have a 1st gen phone with Android 1.x i can now upgrade-it to 2.0 with just a mouse click ?
And will i be able to upgrade-it to Android 3.0 when it comes out ? If not - thank you - i will keep my iPhone and get new features and functionality for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So ... if i have a 1st gen phone with Android 1.x i can now upgrade-it to 2.0 with just a mouse click ?
And will i be able to upgrade-it to Android 3.0 when it comes out ?If not - thank you - i will keep my iPhone and get new features and functionality for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29948622</id>
	<title>Re:Not iPhone, but others may be at risk.</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1257159300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wont displace the Blackberry as much as the iPhone because RIM gets most of it's sales from business. Businesses who buy Blackberrys buy them  because they already have an investment in BES, and Droid needs more than simply exchange integration to convince companies to ditch that investment.</p><p>Droid is more of a direct competitor to the iPhone than the Blackberry for exactly this reason, the iPhone makes it's sales from standalone users and whilst exchange integration is fairly standard with handsets now not many handsets have a strong fully integrated solution for syncing between mobile devices and the office like BES.</p><p>As long as RIM keep doing what they're doing and focus on the enterprise and providing a full solution to the enterprise, and whilst other manufacturers fail to do this, RIM will continue to retain exclusivity with this sizeable set of business customers.</p><p>In contrast, the market for standalone phones for end users is becoming more and more crowded. This is why I'm suprised we're seeing so much focus on new standalone handsets, and so little focus on new handsets that integrate well with the enterprise outside of a messy mismatched bunch of individual applications that sync with individual different parts of the enterprise. Until other companies start paying attention here, RIM will continue to be the only ones laughing all the way to the bank in this sector.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It wont displace the Blackberry as much as the iPhone because RIM gets most of it 's sales from business .
Businesses who buy Blackberrys buy them because they already have an investment in BES , and Droid needs more than simply exchange integration to convince companies to ditch that investment.Droid is more of a direct competitor to the iPhone than the Blackberry for exactly this reason , the iPhone makes it 's sales from standalone users and whilst exchange integration is fairly standard with handsets now not many handsets have a strong fully integrated solution for syncing between mobile devices and the office like BES.As long as RIM keep doing what they 're doing and focus on the enterprise and providing a full solution to the enterprise , and whilst other manufacturers fail to do this , RIM will continue to retain exclusivity with this sizeable set of business customers.In contrast , the market for standalone phones for end users is becoming more and more crowded .
This is why I 'm suprised we 're seeing so much focus on new standalone handsets , and so little focus on new handsets that integrate well with the enterprise outside of a messy mismatched bunch of individual applications that sync with individual different parts of the enterprise .
Until other companies start paying attention here , RIM will continue to be the only ones laughing all the way to the bank in this sector .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wont displace the Blackberry as much as the iPhone because RIM gets most of it's sales from business.
Businesses who buy Blackberrys buy them  because they already have an investment in BES, and Droid needs more than simply exchange integration to convince companies to ditch that investment.Droid is more of a direct competitor to the iPhone than the Blackberry for exactly this reason, the iPhone makes it's sales from standalone users and whilst exchange integration is fairly standard with handsets now not many handsets have a strong fully integrated solution for syncing between mobile devices and the office like BES.As long as RIM keep doing what they're doing and focus on the enterprise and providing a full solution to the enterprise, and whilst other manufacturers fail to do this, RIM will continue to retain exclusivity with this sizeable set of business customers.In contrast, the market for standalone phones for end users is becoming more and more crowded.
This is why I'm suprised we're seeing so much focus on new standalone handsets, and so little focus on new handsets that integrate well with the enterprise outside of a messy mismatched bunch of individual applications that sync with individual different parts of the enterprise.
Until other companies start paying attention here, RIM will continue to be the only ones laughing all the way to the bank in this sector.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933833</id>
	<title>Android vs the others</title>
	<author>NeoStrider\_BZK</author>
	<datestamp>1256997960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I belive its  better discussion than "what will kill the iPhone".<br>You guys must bear in mind that the iPhone is just the most famous smartphone, but not the most popular.</p><p>I would rather wait for the N900 anyway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I belive its better discussion than " what will kill the iPhone " .You guys must bear in mind that the iPhone is just the most famous smartphone , but not the most popular.I would rather wait for the N900 anyway ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I belive its  better discussion than "what will kill the iPhone".You guys must bear in mind that the iPhone is just the most famous smartphone, but not the most popular.I would rather wait for the N900 anyway ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29934495</id>
	<title>"iBlah killer"</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1257003480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that every article about an iphone or ipod "killer" is written by Apple fanboys or enthusiasts. I normally see it as an attempt to keep talking about Apple products even when people want to talk about something else.</p><p>My take on Android 2.0? What is clear to me is that Android (as a software platform) has the fastest evolution rate among all smartphone platforms (given its release rate), and that this new Droid and the Xperia Rachel will address one of the IMO biggest limitations of my G1: screen size, and resolution.</p><p>Other than that my dream wish list for upgrading to a new phone would be:</p><ol><li>*video* calling through Skype or Google Voice when on Wifi</li><li>shopping list syncing integrated in the platform (like the google apps are in the G1)</li><li>GTD app syncing integrated in the platform (like google apps are in the G1)</li><li>higher screen resolution (check for Droid and Xperia)</li><li>faster Javascript processing (check for Xperia with Snapdragon)</li><li>Adobe flash (because there are simply too many pages on the web that use it)</li><li>automatic multi language text correction</li></ol><p>Oh, and I need to still get root on it one way or another....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that every article about an iphone or ipod " killer " is written by Apple fanboys or enthusiasts .
I normally see it as an attempt to keep talking about Apple products even when people want to talk about something else.My take on Android 2.0 ?
What is clear to me is that Android ( as a software platform ) has the fastest evolution rate among all smartphone platforms ( given its release rate ) , and that this new Droid and the Xperia Rachel will address one of the IMO biggest limitations of my G1 : screen size , and resolution.Other than that my dream wish list for upgrading to a new phone would be : * video * calling through Skype or Google Voice when on Wifishopping list syncing integrated in the platform ( like the google apps are in the G1 ) GTD app syncing integrated in the platform ( like google apps are in the G1 ) higher screen resolution ( check for Droid and Xperia ) faster Javascript processing ( check for Xperia with Snapdragon ) Adobe flash ( because there are simply too many pages on the web that use it ) automatic multi language text correctionOh , and I need to still get root on it one way or another... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that every article about an iphone or ipod "killer" is written by Apple fanboys or enthusiasts.
I normally see it as an attempt to keep talking about Apple products even when people want to talk about something else.My take on Android 2.0?
What is clear to me is that Android (as a software platform) has the fastest evolution rate among all smartphone platforms (given its release rate), and that this new Droid and the Xperia Rachel will address one of the IMO biggest limitations of my G1: screen size, and resolution.Other than that my dream wish list for upgrading to a new phone would be:*video* calling through Skype or Google Voice when on Wifishopping list syncing integrated in the platform (like the google apps are in the G1)GTD app syncing integrated in the platform (like google apps are in the G1)higher screen resolution (check for Droid and Xperia)faster Javascript processing (check for Xperia with Snapdragon)Adobe flash (because there are simply too many pages on the web that use it)automatic multi language text correctionOh, and I need to still get root on it one way or another....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29933459</id>
	<title>Re:Article already out of date</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo</p></div></blockquote><p>
Source? Just because Maemo exists doesn't mean that Nokia is abandoning Symbian.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo Source ?
Just because Maemo exists does n't mean that Nokia is abandoning Symbian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo
Source?
Just because Maemo exists doesn't mean that Nokia is abandoning Symbian.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29936833</id>
	<title>Re:Many factors of success</title>
	<author>myowntrueself</author>
	<datestamp>1256981220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person's identity</p></div><p>You mean that everyones is pretty much the same as everyone elses?</p><p>No. The iPhone is for people who want to be like everyone else, not for people who want to have their own individuality.</p><p>Just think about it; pretty soon there will be something like 50 different Android OS phones.</p><p>People whose 'personalities' prefer a flip-phone can have an Android flip-phone.</p><p>Those that prefer a tablet phone can get an Android tablet phone.</p><p>Prefer a phone with a slide-out keyboard? You can get an Android phone.</p><p>And so on.</p><p>What choice do you have with an iPhone? Oh thats right. An iPhone.</p><p>Theres more potential for expression of your individuality through Android OS phones than through the rather monolithic and, dare I say boring, iphone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person 's identityYou mean that everyones is pretty much the same as everyone elses ? No .
The iPhone is for people who want to be like everyone else , not for people who want to have their own individuality.Just think about it ; pretty soon there will be something like 50 different Android OS phones.People whose 'personalities ' prefer a flip-phone can have an Android flip-phone.Those that prefer a tablet phone can get an Android tablet phone.Prefer a phone with a slide-out keyboard ?
You can get an Android phone.And so on.What choice do you have with an iPhone ?
Oh thats right .
An iPhone.Theres more potential for expression of your individuality through Android OS phones than through the rather monolithic and , dare I say boring , iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another means of entrenchment iPhone enjoys is the connection it has with a person's identityYou mean that everyones is pretty much the same as everyone elses?No.
The iPhone is for people who want to be like everyone else, not for people who want to have their own individuality.Just think about it; pretty soon there will be something like 50 different Android OS phones.People whose 'personalities' prefer a flip-phone can have an Android flip-phone.Those that prefer a tablet phone can get an Android tablet phone.Prefer a phone with a slide-out keyboard?
You can get an Android phone.And so on.What choice do you have with an iPhone?
Oh thats right.
An iPhone.Theres more potential for expression of your individuality through Android OS phones than through the rather monolithic and, dare I say boring, iphone.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29932135</id>
	<title>Re:One problem killing the iPhone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256923260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.</p></div><p>Ya you nailed it right, thats why they rejected Google voice app.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform 's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders , and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.Ya you nailed it right , thats why they rejected Google voice app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple keeps those measures of control because they help to protect their platform's image from incompetent or unscrupulous coders, and their negative impact on most users is relatively minor.Ya you nailed it right, thats why they rejected Google voice app.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29931467</id>
	<title>Not iPhone, but others may be at risk.</title>
	<author>Desert Raven</author>
	<datestamp>1256916000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think it will be an iPhone killer. At best, it will slow Apple's growth to a significant degree. However, with it's exchange integration, etc, it could take a measurable chunk from Blackberry.</p><p>And, as a long-time Palm user, this will likely be the last nail in the coffin for Palm. I'd decided months ago that the replacement for my 700p was not likely to be another Palm, but nothing was really grabbing me. I was resigned to go to a crackberry. Now though, I may end up an early buyer of the Droid.</p><p>My wife will almost certainly get one, since she was on the edge of buying a GPS device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it will be an iPhone killer .
At best , it will slow Apple 's growth to a significant degree .
However , with it 's exchange integration , etc , it could take a measurable chunk from Blackberry.And , as a long-time Palm user , this will likely be the last nail in the coffin for Palm .
I 'd decided months ago that the replacement for my 700p was not likely to be another Palm , but nothing was really grabbing me .
I was resigned to go to a crackberry .
Now though , I may end up an early buyer of the Droid.My wife will almost certainly get one , since she was on the edge of buying a GPS device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it will be an iPhone killer.
At best, it will slow Apple's growth to a significant degree.
However, with it's exchange integration, etc, it could take a measurable chunk from Blackberry.And, as a long-time Palm user, this will likely be the last nail in the coffin for Palm.
I'd decided months ago that the replacement for my 700p was not likely to be another Palm, but nothing was really grabbing me.
I was resigned to go to a crackberry.
Now though, I may end up an early buyer of the Droid.My wife will almost certainly get one, since she was on the edge of buying a GPS device.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29938085</id>
	<title>What's the magic sauce?</title>
	<author>garote</author>
	<datestamp>1256995380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So how is this any different from what we have today?</p><p>I mean, say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that isn't an iPhone.  Some are large and fragile, some are gold-plated, some with touchscreens, some without, some with keyboards, et cetera et cetera.  To do this, every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware, apps, and UI elements to work with their handsets, on top of Android,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so let's just say they did, and they work just fine, and here we are.</p><p>How does that in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone?</p><p>Here's another scenario:  Let's take every computer in the world, from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX, and make them all run the same OS.  Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows".  By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X!  Except not.</p><p>What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces?</p><p>I'd really like to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how is this any different from what we have today ? I mean , say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that is n't an iPhone .
Some are large and fragile , some are gold-plated , some with touchscreens , some without , some with keyboards , et cetera et cetera .
To do this , every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware , apps , and UI elements to work with their handsets , on top of Android , ... so let 's just say they did , and they work just fine , and here we are.How does that in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone ? Here 's another scenario : Let 's take every computer in the world , from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX , and make them all run the same OS .
Let 's call this rival OS something suitably generic , like , " windows " .
By sheer numbers alone , it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X !
Except not.What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces ? I 'd really like to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how is this any different from what we have today?I mean, say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that isn't an iPhone.
Some are large and fragile, some are gold-plated, some with touchscreens, some without, some with keyboards, et cetera et cetera.
To do this, every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware, apps, and UI elements to work with their handsets, on top of Android, ... so let's just say they did, and they work just fine, and here we are.How does that in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone?Here's another scenario:  Let's take every computer in the world, from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX, and make them all run the same OS.
Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows".
By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X!
Except not.What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces?I'd really like to know.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2317244.29935733</id>
	<title>Re:Er, price?</title>
	<author>drizek</author>
	<datestamp>1257015300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US, the total cost of owning a Pre over 2 years is about $700 less than an iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US , the total cost of owning a Pre over 2 years is about $ 700 less than an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US, the total cost of owning a Pre over 2 years is about $700 less than an iPhone.</sentencetext>
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