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	<title>Wait For Windows 7 SP1, Support Firm Warns Users</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1256901000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CWmike writes <i>"Users should <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140156/Users\_should\_delay\_Windows\_7\_upgrade\_support\_firm\_warns">wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs in Windows 7</a> before jumping on the new OS, computer support company Rescuecom said on Friday. 'From the calls we're getting, as well as our own experience in the past with all Microsoft's operating systems, we're recommending that people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle,' said Josh Kaplan, president of Rescuecom. Citing a litany of reasons, ranging from the risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times, Kaplan urged Windows users to put off upgrading to Windows 7 or buying a new PC with the operating system pre-installed. 'There are some compelling reasons for both businesses and home users to move to Windows 7,' Kaplan said, 'so we're saying "just wait for a bit."' Upgrading an existing machine &mdash; whether it's running the eight-year-old Windows XP or the much newer Vista &mdash; is particularly risky, he added, especially if users haven't taken time to make a full backup before they migrate their machines. Some users have found that out first hand. Among the <a href="http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7install/thread/0275d4ac-a6ca-4992-b6e5-dc128cc5f86c">top subjects on Microsoft's support forum</a> is one that has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. Microsoft has <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139991/Windows\_7\_endless\_reboot\_answer\_evades\_Microsoft?">not yet come up with a solution</a> that works for all the users who have reported the problem, sparking frustration."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>CWmike writes " Users should wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs in Windows 7 before jumping on the new OS , computer support company Rescuecom said on Friday .
'From the calls we 're getting , as well as our own experience in the past with all Microsoft 's operating systems , we 're recommending that people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle, ' said Josh Kaplan , president of Rescuecom .
Citing a litany of reasons , ranging from the risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times , Kaplan urged Windows users to put off upgrading to Windows 7 or buying a new PC with the operating system pre-installed .
'There are some compelling reasons for both businesses and home users to move to Windows 7, ' Kaplan said , 'so we 're saying " just wait for a bit .
" ' Upgrading an existing machine    whether it 's running the eight-year-old Windows XP or the much newer Vista    is particularly risky , he added , especially if users have n't taken time to make a full backup before they migrate their machines .
Some users have found that out first hand .
Among the top subjects on Microsoft 's support forum is one that has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 .
Microsoft has not yet come up with a solution that works for all the users who have reported the problem , sparking frustration .
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<sentencetext>CWmike writes "Users should wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs in Windows 7 before jumping on the new OS, computer support company Rescuecom said on Friday.
'From the calls we're getting, as well as our own experience in the past with all Microsoft's operating systems, we're recommending that people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle,' said Josh Kaplan, president of Rescuecom.
Citing a litany of reasons, ranging from the risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times, Kaplan urged Windows users to put off upgrading to Windows 7 or buying a new PC with the operating system pre-installed.
'There are some compelling reasons for both businesses and home users to move to Windows 7,' Kaplan said, 'so we're saying "just wait for a bit.
"' Upgrading an existing machine — whether it's running the eight-year-old Windows XP or the much newer Vista — is particularly risky, he added, especially if users haven't taken time to make a full backup before they migrate their machines.
Some users have found that out first hand.
Among the top subjects on Microsoft's support forum is one that has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.
Microsoft has not yet come up with a solution that works for all the users who have reported the problem, sparking frustration.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931457</id>
	<title>heh</title>
	<author>magamiako1</author>
	<datestamp>1256915940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never followed this advice, seriously--ever.<br><br>That said, I'm going to be developing a deployment of over 20,000 Windows 7 machines here. Booya<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P<br><br>All I've got to say is: Yay imagex</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never followed this advice , seriously--ever.That said , I 'm going to be developing a deployment of over 20,000 Windows 7 machines here .
Booya : PAll I 've got to say is : Yay imagex</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never followed this advice, seriously--ever.That said, I'm going to be developing a deployment of over 20,000 Windows 7 machines here.
Booya :PAll I've got to say is: Yay imagex</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930059</id>
	<title>soulskill sucks</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1256904960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, were you just waiting for someone to say this so you could post it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , were you just waiting for someone to say this so you could post it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, were you just waiting for someone to say this so you could post it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930511</id>
	<title>Same old Vista, different name.</title>
	<author>miffo.swe</author>
	<datestamp>1256907300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 is just a servicepack and some graphical changes to Windows Vista. Its still horribly incompatible with older applications, has very bad support for older hardware like printers and scanners and are a real resource pig. Frankly, Vista/Windows 7 still sucks just as bad despite the name change.</p><p>If you have a working computer at home with XP there arent any reason whatsoever to install Windows 7. The benefits just doesnt exist.</p><p>Buying a new computer and getting Windows 7 is something else but to get rid of a functioning XP install in return for a world of pain? Im not even sure Vista users will get that much out of installing Windows 7 unless the install is 100\% flawless (wich it looks like it never is).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is just a servicepack and some graphical changes to Windows Vista .
Its still horribly incompatible with older applications , has very bad support for older hardware like printers and scanners and are a real resource pig .
Frankly , Vista/Windows 7 still sucks just as bad despite the name change.If you have a working computer at home with XP there arent any reason whatsoever to install Windows 7 .
The benefits just doesnt exist.Buying a new computer and getting Windows 7 is something else but to get rid of a functioning XP install in return for a world of pain ?
Im not even sure Vista users will get that much out of installing Windows 7 unless the install is 100 \ % flawless ( wich it looks like it never is ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is just a servicepack and some graphical changes to Windows Vista.
Its still horribly incompatible with older applications, has very bad support for older hardware like printers and scanners and are a real resource pig.
Frankly, Vista/Windows 7 still sucks just as bad despite the name change.If you have a working computer at home with XP there arent any reason whatsoever to install Windows 7.
The benefits just doesnt exist.Buying a new computer and getting Windows 7 is something else but to get rid of a functioning XP install in return for a world of pain?
Im not even sure Vista users will get that much out of installing Windows 7 unless the install is 100\% flawless (wich it looks like it never is).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930375</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1256906580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes and no.</p><p>While Windows 7 is less sucky than Vista (and is roughly comparable to XP SP3), simply plopping it in doesn't always make sense.</p><p>Most enterprises (mine included) are still just barely testing the things, and the help desk is still trying to determine what the gotchas will be (not only with specific in-house apps, but in general). As a group (like so many others out there) who held out with XP, there's going to be a shitload of user re-training that you simply cannot avoid, unless you really hate your help desk (which is likely why you don't hear Microsoft claiming that training costs are gonna inflate one's TCO these days, eh?) From a cold-hearted BOFH standpoint, it's much easier to let the users get that training at home for awhile first, on their personal equipment, if for no other reason than to minimize the re-training costs you'll have to spend at work.</p><p>I will be the absolute last human being stupid enough to demand that all the relatively new (and even not-so-new) multi-million-dollar tools out on the production floor get bumped from XP to Windows 7. I doubt even the tool vendors would have the temerity to ask for the massive downtime required to do such a thing. Move away from manufacturing, and you still have a whole lot of hospitals, service orgs, and etc who will also refuse to bump their machines and tools up as well.</p><p>Sure - XP Mode is great for a lot of things, I cna admit that. OTOH, most home users aren't going to have that option, and most small businesses are going to require a whole lot of persuading to buy an XP mode streaming app server for distributed apps.</p><p>At home? Meh - I have exactly one Windows machine - the missus' XP laptop. I figure I'll worry about that when I get her a new one next year sometime... and I'm almost willing to bet that I'll still be installing XP on that one - less than a week after she gets it. I doubt she's going to be the only one who does that.</p><p>One final question that's going to be asked a LOT by typical users: "Unless/until app makers start making Windows 7 -only apps, why would anyone waste their time with the upgrade, instead of simply waiting until the next time they buy their Dell, HP, whatever? " Security? Meh - they'll claim their home router firewall and sundry for that.</p><p>Okay, one more: Too many folks out there have jacked/pirated/whatever copies of XP installed (courtesy of friends, relatives, TPB, whoever), and will likely wait for a jacked/pirated/whatever copy of Windows 7 to come out.</p><p>Sorry... I'm just not seeing the rush to convert just yet, save for those who have no real choice (that is, typical users buying new computers).</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes and no.While Windows 7 is less sucky than Vista ( and is roughly comparable to XP SP3 ) , simply plopping it in does n't always make sense.Most enterprises ( mine included ) are still just barely testing the things , and the help desk is still trying to determine what the gotchas will be ( not only with specific in-house apps , but in general ) .
As a group ( like so many others out there ) who held out with XP , there 's going to be a shitload of user re-training that you simply can not avoid , unless you really hate your help desk ( which is likely why you do n't hear Microsoft claiming that training costs are gon na inflate one 's TCO these days , eh ?
) From a cold-hearted BOFH standpoint , it 's much easier to let the users get that training at home for awhile first , on their personal equipment , if for no other reason than to minimize the re-training costs you 'll have to spend at work.I will be the absolute last human being stupid enough to demand that all the relatively new ( and even not-so-new ) multi-million-dollar tools out on the production floor get bumped from XP to Windows 7 .
I doubt even the tool vendors would have the temerity to ask for the massive downtime required to do such a thing .
Move away from manufacturing , and you still have a whole lot of hospitals , service orgs , and etc who will also refuse to bump their machines and tools up as well.Sure - XP Mode is great for a lot of things , I cna admit that .
OTOH , most home users are n't going to have that option , and most small businesses are going to require a whole lot of persuading to buy an XP mode streaming app server for distributed apps.At home ?
Meh - I have exactly one Windows machine - the missus ' XP laptop .
I figure I 'll worry about that when I get her a new one next year sometime... and I 'm almost willing to bet that I 'll still be installing XP on that one - less than a week after she gets it .
I doubt she 's going to be the only one who does that.One final question that 's going to be asked a LOT by typical users : " Unless/until app makers start making Windows 7 -only apps , why would anyone waste their time with the upgrade , instead of simply waiting until the next time they buy their Dell , HP , whatever ?
" Security ?
Meh - they 'll claim their home router firewall and sundry for that.Okay , one more : Too many folks out there have jacked/pirated/whatever copies of XP installed ( courtesy of friends , relatives , TPB , whoever ) , and will likely wait for a jacked/pirated/whatever copy of Windows 7 to come out.Sorry... I 'm just not seeing the rush to convert just yet , save for those who have no real choice ( that is , typical users buying new computers ) .
/P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes and no.While Windows 7 is less sucky than Vista (and is roughly comparable to XP SP3), simply plopping it in doesn't always make sense.Most enterprises (mine included) are still just barely testing the things, and the help desk is still trying to determine what the gotchas will be (not only with specific in-house apps, but in general).
As a group (like so many others out there) who held out with XP, there's going to be a shitload of user re-training that you simply cannot avoid, unless you really hate your help desk (which is likely why you don't hear Microsoft claiming that training costs are gonna inflate one's TCO these days, eh?
) From a cold-hearted BOFH standpoint, it's much easier to let the users get that training at home for awhile first, on their personal equipment, if for no other reason than to minimize the re-training costs you'll have to spend at work.I will be the absolute last human being stupid enough to demand that all the relatively new (and even not-so-new) multi-million-dollar tools out on the production floor get bumped from XP to Windows 7.
I doubt even the tool vendors would have the temerity to ask for the massive downtime required to do such a thing.
Move away from manufacturing, and you still have a whole lot of hospitals, service orgs, and etc who will also refuse to bump their machines and tools up as well.Sure - XP Mode is great for a lot of things, I cna admit that.
OTOH, most home users aren't going to have that option, and most small businesses are going to require a whole lot of persuading to buy an XP mode streaming app server for distributed apps.At home?
Meh - I have exactly one Windows machine - the missus' XP laptop.
I figure I'll worry about that when I get her a new one next year sometime... and I'm almost willing to bet that I'll still be installing XP on that one - less than a week after she gets it.
I doubt she's going to be the only one who does that.One final question that's going to be asked a LOT by typical users: "Unless/until app makers start making Windows 7 -only apps, why would anyone waste their time with the upgrade, instead of simply waiting until the next time they buy their Dell, HP, whatever?
" Security?
Meh - they'll claim their home router firewall and sundry for that.Okay, one more: Too many folks out there have jacked/pirated/whatever copies of XP installed (courtesy of friends, relatives, TPB, whoever), and will likely wait for a jacked/pirated/whatever copy of Windows 7 to come out.Sorry... I'm just not seeing the rush to convert just yet, save for those who have no real choice (that is, typical users buying new computers).
/P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931601</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>pha7boy</author>
	<datestamp>1256917320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah... that freaking line is so old - just wait for SP1. businesses might, or at least some businesses might. I know the place I work at has no intention of going to Win7 anytime soon. But to say that you run the risk of loosing your data when you upgrade? back your data the fuck up. and plus, who does an in place upgrade anyway?! that's begging problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah... that freaking line is so old - just wait for SP1 .
businesses might , or at least some businesses might .
I know the place I work at has no intention of going to Win7 anytime soon .
But to say that you run the risk of loosing your data when you upgrade ?
back your data the fuck up .
and plus , who does an in place upgrade anyway ? !
that 's begging problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah... that freaking line is so old - just wait for SP1.
businesses might, or at least some businesses might.
I know the place I work at has no intention of going to Win7 anytime soon.
But to say that you run the risk of loosing your data when you upgrade?
back your data the fuck up.
and plus, who does an in place upgrade anyway?!
that's begging problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930549</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WIndows 7 uses the same drivers that Vista does... there isn't anything to wait for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WIndows 7 uses the same drivers that Vista does... there is n't anything to wait for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WIndows 7 uses the same drivers that Vista does... there isn't anything to wait for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931625</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1256917560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes, a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes, and don't even get me started on sound and video drivers...</p></div><p>Ever seen the size of an HP all in one printer-scanner driver?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes , a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes , and do n't even get me started on sound and video drivers...Ever seen the size of an HP all in one printer-scanner driver ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes, a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes, and don't even get me started on sound and video drivers...Ever seen the size of an HP all in one printer-scanner driver?
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	<title>In related news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently upgrading your computer can cause all sorts of strange problems that the OS developer couldn't have anticipated.  Why just last night my Ubuntu box ate itself when I upgraded to Karmic.  Oh wait, this is supposed to be an attempt at a Windows bashing story circa 1998.  Okay, move along with the reality distortion field...</p><p>Seriously, this passes for news?  One support firm says to wait until Windows 7 SP1?  The same firm will probably say wait for Windows 7 SP2 once SP1 comes out.  In fact, they'll probably caution people against Windows 7 SP1 because of the upgrade process (remember XP SP2 and SP3?).  Also, have folks actually looked at this support firm that most people have never heard of? Their web page (http://www.rescuecom.com/) doesn't inspire the greatest confidence.  Love the stock photos and the fact they say they'll hook me up with anything.</p><p>The fact is Windows 7 is one of the best operating systems from Microsoft ever*.  It's solid, it works, it's fast, it's pretty, it has the best multimedia support of any OS, and like it or not, it's going to be the new standard.  However, a legacy of bad decisions by partner companies, manufacturers, and even Microsoft has left existing systems with problems -- drivers with memory leaks, crapware, and the occasional security hole.  Moving your grandma to Linux because Windows 7 had problems installing on her crapware loaded PC isn't the solution, nor is moving her to a Mac, plan9, haiku, inferno, *bsd, OS/2 warp, xenix, dr-dos, vms, minix, or system z.</p><p>Although, if you migrate your grandma to System Z please provide a writeup of how you managed to do it.  I've been trying to get my grandma to understand the z/vm hypervisor for years...</p><p>* If it helps out, feel free to insert the phrase "Imma let you finish, but..." prior to this sentence</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently upgrading your computer can cause all sorts of strange problems that the OS developer could n't have anticipated .
Why just last night my Ubuntu box ate itself when I upgraded to Karmic .
Oh wait , this is supposed to be an attempt at a Windows bashing story circa 1998 .
Okay , move along with the reality distortion field...Seriously , this passes for news ?
One support firm says to wait until Windows 7 SP1 ?
The same firm will probably say wait for Windows 7 SP2 once SP1 comes out .
In fact , they 'll probably caution people against Windows 7 SP1 because of the upgrade process ( remember XP SP2 and SP3 ? ) .
Also , have folks actually looked at this support firm that most people have never heard of ?
Their web page ( http : //www.rescuecom.com/ ) does n't inspire the greatest confidence .
Love the stock photos and the fact they say they 'll hook me up with anything.The fact is Windows 7 is one of the best operating systems from Microsoft ever * .
It 's solid , it works , it 's fast , it 's pretty , it has the best multimedia support of any OS , and like it or not , it 's going to be the new standard .
However , a legacy of bad decisions by partner companies , manufacturers , and even Microsoft has left existing systems with problems -- drivers with memory leaks , crapware , and the occasional security hole .
Moving your grandma to Linux because Windows 7 had problems installing on her crapware loaded PC is n't the solution , nor is moving her to a Mac , plan9 , haiku , inferno , * bsd , OS/2 warp , xenix , dr-dos , vms , minix , or system z.Although , if you migrate your grandma to System Z please provide a writeup of how you managed to do it .
I 've been trying to get my grandma to understand the z/vm hypervisor for years... * If it helps out , feel free to insert the phrase " Imma let you finish , but... " prior to this sentence</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently upgrading your computer can cause all sorts of strange problems that the OS developer couldn't have anticipated.
Why just last night my Ubuntu box ate itself when I upgraded to Karmic.
Oh wait, this is supposed to be an attempt at a Windows bashing story circa 1998.
Okay, move along with the reality distortion field...Seriously, this passes for news?
One support firm says to wait until Windows 7 SP1?
The same firm will probably say wait for Windows 7 SP2 once SP1 comes out.
In fact, they'll probably caution people against Windows 7 SP1 because of the upgrade process (remember XP SP2 and SP3?).
Also, have folks actually looked at this support firm that most people have never heard of?
Their web page (http://www.rescuecom.com/) doesn't inspire the greatest confidence.
Love the stock photos and the fact they say they'll hook me up with anything.The fact is Windows 7 is one of the best operating systems from Microsoft ever*.
It's solid, it works, it's fast, it's pretty, it has the best multimedia support of any OS, and like it or not, it's going to be the new standard.
However, a legacy of bad decisions by partner companies, manufacturers, and even Microsoft has left existing systems with problems -- drivers with memory leaks, crapware, and the occasional security hole.
Moving your grandma to Linux because Windows 7 had problems installing on her crapware loaded PC isn't the solution, nor is moving her to a Mac, plan9, haiku, inferno, *bsd, OS/2 warp, xenix, dr-dos, vms, minix, or system z.Although, if you migrate your grandma to System Z please provide a writeup of how you managed to do it.
I've been trying to get my grandma to understand the z/vm hypervisor for years...* If it helps out, feel free to insert the phrase "Imma let you finish, but..." prior to this sentence</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931943</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>wmac</author>
	<datestamp>1256920740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>And ubuntu 9.1 is service pack for 9.0 and 9.0 is for 8 and so on...

Mac 10 is service pack for 9 , 9 for 8<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....

What's your point? You expected MS to rewrite the whole OS every time?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And ubuntu 9.1 is service pack for 9.0 and 9.0 is for 8 and so on.. . Mac 10 is service pack for 9 , 9 for 8 ... . What 's your point ?
You expected MS to rewrite the whole OS every time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And ubuntu 9.1 is service pack for 9.0 and 9.0 is for 8 and so on...

Mac 10 is service pack for 9 , 9 for 8 ....

What's your point?
You expected MS to rewrite the whole OS every time?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930395</id>
	<title>Works okay for me.</title>
	<author>RatBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only problems I've had, and I only use my Windows box for games and keep my data on a server anyway, are<br>1: Quake 2 and derivatives do not run<br>2: My Turtle Beach surround sound USB headphones make Windows 7 bluescreen.<br>Otherwise everything I've tried on it works as well as it did under XP. I'm not happy with the new interface, but I remember not liking Windows XP when it first came out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problems I 've had , and I only use my Windows box for games and keep my data on a server anyway , are1 : Quake 2 and derivatives do not run2 : My Turtle Beach surround sound USB headphones make Windows 7 bluescreen.Otherwise everything I 've tried on it works as well as it did under XP .
I 'm not happy with the new interface , but I remember not liking Windows XP when it first came out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problems I've had, and I only use my Windows box for games and keep my data on a server anyway, are1: Quake 2 and derivatives do not run2: My Turtle Beach surround sound USB headphones make Windows 7 bluescreen.Otherwise everything I've tried on it works as well as it did under XP.
I'm not happy with the new interface, but I remember not liking Windows XP when it first came out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29936683</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>Windowser</author>
	<datestamp>1256980260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, leaving out 1.x and 2.x (3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers?) </p></div><p> 
Yes, I've used 1.x (well, used may be overstating, I played a bit with it, but since you could not run any DOS program in a window, and nothing was available for Windows yet, you basically just closed it and used DOS anyway).
I also tried 2.x, and I still have the originals 5.25" floppy. Was pretty much the same as with 1.x, you could run Calc, Notepad and Paint (which stayed pretty much unchanged since then), but that was about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , leaving out 1.x and 2.x ( 3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers ?
) Yes , I 've used 1.x ( well , used may be overstating , I played a bit with it , but since you could not run any DOS program in a window , and nothing was available for Windows yet , you basically just closed it and used DOS anyway ) .
I also tried 2.x , and I still have the originals 5.25 " floppy .
Was pretty much the same as with 1.x , you could run Calc , Notepad and Paint ( which stayed pretty much unchanged since then ) , but that was about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, leaving out 1.x and 2.x (3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers?
)  
Yes, I've used 1.x (well, used may be overstating, I played a bit with it, but since you could not run any DOS program in a window, and nothing was available for Windows yet, you basically just closed it and used DOS anyway).
I also tried 2.x, and I still have the originals 5.25" floppy.
Was pretty much the same as with 1.x, you could run Calc, Notepad and Paint (which stayed pretty much unchanged since then), but that was about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933645</id>
	<title>Fix XP-32 and XP-64 ffs</title>
	<author>u64</author>
	<datestamp>1256996280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Win7: still Vista<br>ServicePacks and WindowsUpdates hasnt fixed Vista.<br>Microsoft: WindowsUpdate replace your old Bugs with new fresh Bugs!</p><p>Btw Windows8 nickname W8<br>(because that's what ppl does to find a replacement for XP. \_wait\_ )</p><p>Why dont Microsoft just FIX XP-32 and XP-64 ?!?<br>Use nLite and you're halfway there. Add modern drivers.<br>Microsoft could add support for QuadCore and DX11 and whatnot.<br>Then XP would hold Linux at bay!<br>(fortunally Microsoft helps Linux nowadays, hehe)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Win7 : still VistaServicePacks and WindowsUpdates hasnt fixed Vista.Microsoft : WindowsUpdate replace your old Bugs with new fresh Bugs ! Btw Windows8 nickname W8 ( because that 's what ppl does to find a replacement for XP .
\ _wait \ _ ) Why dont Microsoft just FIX XP-32 and XP-64 ? !
? Use nLite and you 're halfway there .
Add modern drivers.Microsoft could add support for QuadCore and DX11 and whatnot.Then XP would hold Linux at bay !
( fortunally Microsoft helps Linux nowadays , hehe )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Win7: still VistaServicePacks and WindowsUpdates hasnt fixed Vista.Microsoft: WindowsUpdate replace your old Bugs with new fresh Bugs!Btw Windows8 nickname W8(because that's what ppl does to find a replacement for XP.
\_wait\_ )Why dont Microsoft just FIX XP-32 and XP-64 ?!
?Use nLite and you're halfway there.
Add modern drivers.Microsoft could add support for QuadCore and DX11 and whatnot.Then XP would hold Linux at bay!
(fortunally Microsoft helps Linux nowadays, hehe)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931355</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>demonlapin</author>
	<datestamp>1256914800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bzzt. Win 1/2/3 were the versions that you saw. WinNT 3.x was really OS/2 v2 (the original OS/2, an IBM-MS collaboration, rather than the OS/2 that IBM released later), so there was a jump there.  95/98/ME were v4 of the original Win16-rooted system (although they were Win32 systems).  WinNT 4 was an increment on WinNT 3.x.  WinNT 5 was better known as Windows 2000, while XP was Windows 5.1 (consumer and NT lines merged at XP).  Vista was 6, and 7 is really 6.1 if you type "ver" at a cmd prompt.  Conclusion: Windows version numbers reflect the underlying technology, while the names come from marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bzzt .
Win 1/2/3 were the versions that you saw .
WinNT 3.x was really OS/2 v2 ( the original OS/2 , an IBM-MS collaboration , rather than the OS/2 that IBM released later ) , so there was a jump there .
95/98/ME were v4 of the original Win16-rooted system ( although they were Win32 systems ) .
WinNT 4 was an increment on WinNT 3.x .
WinNT 5 was better known as Windows 2000 , while XP was Windows 5.1 ( consumer and NT lines merged at XP ) .
Vista was 6 , and 7 is really 6.1 if you type " ver " at a cmd prompt .
Conclusion : Windows version numbers reflect the underlying technology , while the names come from marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bzzt.
Win 1/2/3 were the versions that you saw.
WinNT 3.x was really OS/2 v2 (the original OS/2, an IBM-MS collaboration, rather than the OS/2 that IBM released later), so there was a jump there.
95/98/ME were v4 of the original Win16-rooted system (although they were Win32 systems).
WinNT 4 was an increment on WinNT 3.x.
WinNT 5 was better known as Windows 2000, while XP was Windows 5.1 (consumer and NT lines merged at XP).
Vista was 6, and 7 is really 6.1 if you type "ver" at a cmd prompt.
Conclusion: Windows version numbers reflect the underlying technology, while the names come from marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930347</id>
	<title>I'm smarter than Microsoft</title>
	<author>Turbo\_Button</author>
	<datestamp>1256906460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7. Microsoft has not yet come up with a solution that works for all the users who have reported the problem,"<br> <br>

Download and boot a linux live cd, mount your NTFS partitions, copy all your data, install linux or reinstall windows</htmltext>
<tokenext>" has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 .
Microsoft has not yet come up with a solution that works for all the users who have reported the problem , " Download and boot a linux live cd , mount your NTFS partitions , copy all your data , install linux or reinstall windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"has put some PCs into an endless reboot loop when their owners tried to upgrade from Vista to Windows 7.
Microsoft has not yet come up with a solution that works for all the users who have reported the problem," 

Download and boot a linux live cd, mount your NTFS partitions, copy all your data, install linux or reinstall windows</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932411</id>
	<title>Re:In related news...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1256927940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so Windows 7 is no better at upgrading than Linux, is that something you really want to brag about? Congratulations, a multi-billion dollar company can't get upgrading right, compared to an open source application, written for technical users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so Windows 7 is no better at upgrading than Linux , is that something you really want to brag about ?
Congratulations , a multi-billion dollar company ca n't get upgrading right , compared to an open source application , written for technical users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so Windows 7 is no better at upgrading than Linux, is that something you really want to brag about?
Congratulations, a multi-billion dollar company can't get upgrading right, compared to an open source application, written for technical users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930255</id>
	<title>ok</title>
	<author>silentace</author>
	<datestamp>1256905980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times"

So wait for SP1 because you're technically unsavvy? or because you don't have enough money to live the way you want?

<br> <br>
Sure! I bet SP1 will definitely fix both of those problems. Seriously though, WTF issues does SP1 need to fix? I have been using RC 7100 for over 4 months now with little to absolutely no problems... what needs fixing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times " So wait for SP1 because you 're technically unsavvy ?
or because you do n't have enough money to live the way you want ?
Sure ! I bet SP1 will definitely fix both of those problems .
Seriously though , WTF issues does SP1 need to fix ?
I have been using RC 7100 for over 4 months now with little to absolutely no problems... what needs fixing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"risk of losing data during an upgrade to tough economic times"

So wait for SP1 because you're technically unsavvy?
or because you don't have enough money to live the way you want?
Sure! I bet SP1 will definitely fix both of those problems.
Seriously though, WTF issues does SP1 need to fix?
I have been using RC 7100 for over 4 months now with little to absolutely no problems... what needs fixing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930811</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy 1.0 of anything</title>
	<author>an unsound mind</author>
	<datestamp>1256909520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And all of those it doesn't apply to.</p><p>I wonder if that was intentional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And all of those it does n't apply to.I wonder if that was intentional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And all of those it doesn't apply to.I wonder if that was intentional.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930333</id>
	<title>So you disagree -- with Microsoft?</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1256906400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Because the is a <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/975253/" title="microsoft.com">
Knowledge Base article (KB975253) </a> [microsoft.com] about this problem?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But then seriously , how is this guy 's story " news for nerds " any more than my anecdote ?
Because the is a Knowledge Base article ( KB975253 ) [ microsoft.com ] about this problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote?
Because the is a 
Knowledge Base article (KB975253)  [microsoft.com] about this problem?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931379</id>
	<title>I used a sub v1.0 version</title>
	<author>Savior\_on\_a\_Stick</author>
	<datestamp>1256915100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It shipped with a zenith 286 which was top of the line at the time.</p><p>I forget exactly the windows version -<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.98 or something.</p><p>It was useful only for playing Othello.</p><p>There was no Solitaire, as I recall.</p><p>It came with dbase3 or 4.</p><p>And Paradox.</p><p>I've never heard of a 2.0 in the wild.</p><p>The windows version was pretty useless.<br>I'd load it every 6 months or so just to see if it was still useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It shipped with a zenith 286 which was top of the line at the time.I forget exactly the windows version - .98 or something.It was useful only for playing Othello.There was no Solitaire , as I recall.It came with dbase3 or 4.And Paradox.I 've never heard of a 2.0 in the wild.The windows version was pretty useless.I 'd load it every 6 months or so just to see if it was still useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It shipped with a zenith 286 which was top of the line at the time.I forget exactly the windows version - .98 or something.It was useful only for playing Othello.There was no Solitaire, as I recall.It came with dbase3 or 4.And Paradox.I've never heard of a 2.0 in the wild.The windows version was pretty useless.I'd load it every 6 months or so just to see if it was still useless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930357</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gee, THANKS Captain Obvious!  I don't know what we'd do without you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , THANKS Captain Obvious !
I do n't know what we 'd do without you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, THANKS Captain Obvious!
I don't know what we'd do without you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931823</id>
	<title>wait because you don't know how to upgrade?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else see the flawed logic of this?</p><p>They say how you should wait for SP1, but then they go on to describe how it's costly to upgrade (in general) and how you might lose data if you don't know what you're doing.<br>I don't see how waiting for SP1 will fix any of those issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else see the flawed logic of this ? They say how you should wait for SP1 , but then they go on to describe how it 's costly to upgrade ( in general ) and how you might lose data if you do n't know what you 're doing.I do n't see how waiting for SP1 will fix any of those issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else see the flawed logic of this?They say how you should wait for SP1, but then they go on to describe how it's costly to upgrade (in general) and how you might lose data if you don't know what you're doing.I don't see how waiting for SP1 will fix any of those issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930199</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The [polished] turd needs some more polish".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The [ polished ] turd needs some more polish " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The [polished] turd needs some more polish".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932629</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256932380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could be cheap and buy more RAM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could be cheap and buy more RAM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could be cheap and buy more RAM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29947192</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257095820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, it should have been SP3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , it should have been SP3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, it should have been SP3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931995</id>
	<title>Duh?</title>
	<author>chucklebutte</author>
	<datestamp>1256921460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who does an upgrade anyways? Serves them right the dumb dumbs. ALWAYS FRESH INSTALL ALWAYS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who does an upgrade anyways ?
Serves them right the dumb dumbs .
ALWAYS FRESH INSTALL ALWAYS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who does an upgrade anyways?
Serves them right the dumb dumbs.
ALWAYS FRESH INSTALL ALWAYS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930217</id>
	<title>April Fools!</title>
	<author>DoninIN</author>
	<datestamp>1256905800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right? I mean this isn't a real story is it? Surely the latest most bloated version of windows isn't buggy and unreliable? Surely even if it was the cats ass it wouldn't be the case that a bunch of morons tossed the disk in and clicked install without backing anything up, and their box was either inadequate oddly configured has defective hardware, three tons of viruses and trojans, nevermind the terminal stupidity of the people who are trying to do the upgrade.

This is unbelievable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right ?
I mean this is n't a real story is it ?
Surely the latest most bloated version of windows is n't buggy and unreliable ?
Surely even if it was the cats ass it would n't be the case that a bunch of morons tossed the disk in and clicked install without backing anything up , and their box was either inadequate oddly configured has defective hardware , three tons of viruses and trojans , nevermind the terminal stupidity of the people who are trying to do the upgrade .
This is unbelievable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right?
I mean this isn't a real story is it?
Surely the latest most bloated version of windows isn't buggy and unreliable?
Surely even if it was the cats ass it wouldn't be the case that a bunch of morons tossed the disk in and clicked install without backing anything up, and their box was either inadequate oddly configured has defective hardware, three tons of viruses and trojans, nevermind the terminal stupidity of the people who are trying to do the upgrade.
This is unbelievable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931857</id>
	<title>Stay with XP?</title>
	<author>Dudeman\_Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1256919660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using XP considered by more than a few to be a security risk because of long unpatched vulnerabilities?  Besides, wasn't the whole open beta phase supposed take care of that awkward phase anyway?</p><p>By the way, who the hell is Rescuecom?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct me if I 'm wrong , but is n't using XP considered by more than a few to be a security risk because of long unpatched vulnerabilities ?
Besides , was n't the whole open beta phase supposed take care of that awkward phase anyway ? By the way , who the hell is Rescuecom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using XP considered by more than a few to be a security risk because of long unpatched vulnerabilities?
Besides, wasn't the whole open beta phase supposed take care of that awkward phase anyway?By the way, who the hell is Rescuecom?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931525</id>
	<title>Look at the messenger</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256916600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I almost took this seriously until I saw it was Rescuecom.  Then I realized they were addressing the retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I almost took this seriously until I saw it was Rescuecom .
Then I realized they were addressing the retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I almost took this seriously until I saw it was Rescuecom.
Then I realized they were addressing the retarded.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932385</id>
	<title>Re:Same old Vista, different name.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256927340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 is a new OS disguising as Vista. The OS has changed a LOT since Vista, but you're not likely to see it at a first glance, because all your drivers and Vista software is *supposed* to work. However, many things have changed under the hood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is a new OS disguising as Vista .
The OS has changed a LOT since Vista , but you 're not likely to see it at a first glance , because all your drivers and Vista software is * supposed * to work .
However , many things have changed under the hood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is a new OS disguising as Vista.
The OS has changed a LOT since Vista, but you're not likely to see it at a first glance, because all your drivers and Vista software is *supposed* to work.
However, many things have changed under the hood.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931337</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Quarters</author>
	<datestamp>1256914560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So a company that is on the fifth (sixth?) version of its tenth operating system airs a commercial about its competitor's seventh OS release. In the commercial they attempt to insinuate that each new release is to fix the mistakes of the previous.
<p>
It makes one wonder why we aren't all still running Mac OS v1.0...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So a company that is on the fifth ( sixth ?
) version of its tenth operating system airs a commercial about its competitor 's seventh OS release .
In the commercial they attempt to insinuate that each new release is to fix the mistakes of the previous .
It makes one wonder why we are n't all still running Mac OS v1.0.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So a company that is on the fifth (sixth?
) version of its tenth operating system airs a commercial about its competitor's seventh OS release.
In the commercial they attempt to insinuate that each new release is to fix the mistakes of the previous.
It makes one wonder why we aren't all still running Mac OS v1.0...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932301</id>
	<title>Re:Same old Vista, different name.</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1256926020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Install XP SP2.  Done.  Oh, there is one patch worth the trouble: the daylight savings time correction.  That's it.  Funny thing about all those comparisons between XP and 7.  They all use XP SP3.  Not a good comparison at all, as, as far as I can tell, SP3 was mainly released to slow XP down so Vista wouldn't look so bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Install XP SP2 .
Done. Oh , there is one patch worth the trouble : the daylight savings time correction .
That 's it .
Funny thing about all those comparisons between XP and 7 .
They all use XP SP3 .
Not a good comparison at all , as , as far as I can tell , SP3 was mainly released to slow XP down so Vista would n't look so bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install XP SP2.
Done.  Oh, there is one patch worth the trouble: the daylight savings time correction.
That's it.
Funny thing about all those comparisons between XP and 7.
They all use XP SP3.
Not a good comparison at all, as, as far as I can tell, SP3 was mainly released to slow XP down so Vista wouldn't look so bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29936335</id>
	<title>Windows 7 is pretty damn good. Dont wait</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is silly. Windows 7 is very good right out of the box. There is no need to wait for SP1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is silly .
Windows 7 is very good right out of the box .
There is no need to wait for SP1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is silly.
Windows 7 is very good right out of the box.
There is no need to wait for SP1.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29938367</id>
	<title>Reality check:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even the best OS take about 2 years before being stable. The "good" windows were NEVER good on release. Neither were the Linuxes.</p><p>My advice: wait until the people cheering for W7 are no longer just PAID review specialist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the best OS take about 2 years before being stable .
The " good " windows were NEVER good on release .
Neither were the Linuxes.My advice : wait until the people cheering for W7 are no longer just PAID review specialist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the best OS take about 2 years before being stable.
The "good" windows were NEVER good on release.
Neither were the Linuxes.My advice: wait until the people cheering for W7 are no longer just PAID review specialist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930639</id>
	<title>Don't wait.</title>
	<author>GuruBuckaroo</author>
	<datestamp>1256908260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I hate "Me too" posts as much as the next guy, I have to agree that this article is FUD for the management types. I installed 7 RTM as soon as it was available from TechNet, and haven't had problem one yet. </p><p>Well, I have one problem - it doesn't seem to connect to Windows 2000 Server shares, and it doesn't like my (very outdated) Samba network. Apparently it requires Samba 3.3 or higher. However, that aside, I have to say my existing PCs (original P4 3ghz, 3gb or 4gb memory) are noticeably snappier than they were with XP - granted, some of that may have been the accumulation of crud that happens with any windows installation. Clean installs are always speed-boosters. </p><p>Speaking of which - yeah, don't bother with an upgrade. With as cheap as USB drives (even USB HDs, not just flash) are these days, you have no real excuse for not doing a clean install. I'll be deploying Windows 7 starting in April to the 500+ workstations at my company, and every install will be a wipe &amp; reinstall using Acronis TrueImage with a nice sysprep'ed image. All of the testing I've done so far has made me a happy camper and Win7 evangelist.</p><p>Prior releases... yeah, waiting for SP1 was always a good idea. Hell, we waited for XP SP2 before deploying it. I really think they've finally gotten this thing right.</p><p>But of course, I could be wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I hate " Me too " posts as much as the next guy , I have to agree that this article is FUD for the management types .
I installed 7 RTM as soon as it was available from TechNet , and have n't had problem one yet .
Well , I have one problem - it does n't seem to connect to Windows 2000 Server shares , and it does n't like my ( very outdated ) Samba network .
Apparently it requires Samba 3.3 or higher .
However , that aside , I have to say my existing PCs ( original P4 3ghz , 3gb or 4gb memory ) are noticeably snappier than they were with XP - granted , some of that may have been the accumulation of crud that happens with any windows installation .
Clean installs are always speed-boosters .
Speaking of which - yeah , do n't bother with an upgrade .
With as cheap as USB drives ( even USB HDs , not just flash ) are these days , you have no real excuse for not doing a clean install .
I 'll be deploying Windows 7 starting in April to the 500 + workstations at my company , and every install will be a wipe &amp; reinstall using Acronis TrueImage with a nice sysprep'ed image .
All of the testing I 've done so far has made me a happy camper and Win7 evangelist.Prior releases... yeah , waiting for SP1 was always a good idea .
Hell , we waited for XP SP2 before deploying it .
I really think they 've finally gotten this thing right.But of course , I could be wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I hate "Me too" posts as much as the next guy, I have to agree that this article is FUD for the management types.
I installed 7 RTM as soon as it was available from TechNet, and haven't had problem one yet.
Well, I have one problem - it doesn't seem to connect to Windows 2000 Server shares, and it doesn't like my (very outdated) Samba network.
Apparently it requires Samba 3.3 or higher.
However, that aside, I have to say my existing PCs (original P4 3ghz, 3gb or 4gb memory) are noticeably snappier than they were with XP - granted, some of that may have been the accumulation of crud that happens with any windows installation.
Clean installs are always speed-boosters.
Speaking of which - yeah, don't bother with an upgrade.
With as cheap as USB drives (even USB HDs, not just flash) are these days, you have no real excuse for not doing a clean install.
I'll be deploying Windows 7 starting in April to the 500+ workstations at my company, and every install will be a wipe &amp; reinstall using Acronis TrueImage with a nice sysprep'ed image.
All of the testing I've done so far has made me a happy camper and Win7 evangelist.Prior releases... yeah, waiting for SP1 was always a good idea.
Hell, we waited for XP SP2 before deploying it.
I really think they've finally gotten this thing right.But of course, I could be wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930237</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy. The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content. People who boot into windows via boot camp say the problem never comes up in windows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy .
The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content .
People who boot into windows via boot camp say the problem never comes up in windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy.
The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.
People who boot into windows via boot camp say the problem never comes up in windows</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29929997</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933263</id>
	<title>Dr Obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People compare 7 to Vista. I like to compare 7 to XP. What's the reason I should install 7? My needs have not changed - 7 still requires newer hardware than XP and 7 has not delivered (or Vista) something I require. SQL based filesystem, easier to recover, better hardware support - nothing has changed.</p><p>Let me tell You a story. I installed win7 on a two year old HP machine, which normally runs debian stable. Since I'm a part time student free win7 came from the uni. I usually use my x200 but the mainboard in it failed so i had to backup to the desktop one. Well anyway, since I just moved, I had no internet connection but I had access to a unencrypted wifi connection but it did not always work. And for those cases I used my cellphone - 1 USD for 12hours of UMTS goodness (700 KB/s downlink). I thought that atleast one of two would work with 7 - either my wifi adapter or cellphone via USB. I am happy to tell you that nothing worked - wifi \_and\_ cellphone (two to three years old Sony Ericsson k610i) both required drivers which I could not download. Funny how things have changed. I replaced the HDD with one which had a installation of debian stable and HW worked out-of-the-box.</p><p>Yesterday I had to install xp (standardized desktop sw) on a machine which had an Acer LCD. Acer did not have a driver for XP, only for Vista. Why on earth XP, Vista or 7 does not have basic drivers is beyond me. Linux is lightyears ahead in this area. It used to be the other way around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People compare 7 to Vista .
I like to compare 7 to XP .
What 's the reason I should install 7 ?
My needs have not changed - 7 still requires newer hardware than XP and 7 has not delivered ( or Vista ) something I require .
SQL based filesystem , easier to recover , better hardware support - nothing has changed.Let me tell You a story .
I installed win7 on a two year old HP machine , which normally runs debian stable .
Since I 'm a part time student free win7 came from the uni .
I usually use my x200 but the mainboard in it failed so i had to backup to the desktop one .
Well anyway , since I just moved , I had no internet connection but I had access to a unencrypted wifi connection but it did not always work .
And for those cases I used my cellphone - 1 USD for 12hours of UMTS goodness ( 700 KB/s downlink ) .
I thought that atleast one of two would work with 7 - either my wifi adapter or cellphone via USB .
I am happy to tell you that nothing worked - wifi \ _and \ _ cellphone ( two to three years old Sony Ericsson k610i ) both required drivers which I could not download .
Funny how things have changed .
I replaced the HDD with one which had a installation of debian stable and HW worked out-of-the-box.Yesterday I had to install xp ( standardized desktop sw ) on a machine which had an Acer LCD .
Acer did not have a driver for XP , only for Vista .
Why on earth XP , Vista or 7 does not have basic drivers is beyond me .
Linux is lightyears ahead in this area .
It used to be the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People compare 7 to Vista.
I like to compare 7 to XP.
What's the reason I should install 7?
My needs have not changed - 7 still requires newer hardware than XP and 7 has not delivered (or Vista) something I require.
SQL based filesystem, easier to recover, better hardware support - nothing has changed.Let me tell You a story.
I installed win7 on a two year old HP machine, which normally runs debian stable.
Since I'm a part time student free win7 came from the uni.
I usually use my x200 but the mainboard in it failed so i had to backup to the desktop one.
Well anyway, since I just moved, I had no internet connection but I had access to a unencrypted wifi connection but it did not always work.
And for those cases I used my cellphone - 1 USD for 12hours of UMTS goodness (700 KB/s downlink).
I thought that atleast one of two would work with 7 - either my wifi adapter or cellphone via USB.
I am happy to tell you that nothing worked - wifi \_and\_ cellphone (two to three years old Sony Ericsson k610i) both required drivers which I could not download.
Funny how things have changed.
I replaced the HDD with one which had a installation of debian stable and HW worked out-of-the-box.Yesterday I had to install xp (standardized desktop sw) on a machine which had an Acer LCD.
Acer did not have a driver for XP, only for Vista.
Why on earth XP, Vista or 7 does not have basic drivers is beyond me.
Linux is lightyears ahead in this area.
It used to be the other way around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29929997</id>
	<title>It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Trust me.</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trust me .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trust me.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930041</id>
	<title>Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1256904840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say get Windows 7 now, if you have a reason. If you have a new computer get it with 7 for sure. Get it for an old computer if there's a reason you want it (like DirectX 10/11 support or something) and your computer is reasonable (at least a dual core with 2GB RAM).</p><p>We have been deploying it here at work and it works great. It is a solid and fast OS. App compatibility is extremely good, even with our squirelly engineering apps.</p><p>But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote? I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say get Windows 7 now , if you have a reason .
If you have a new computer get it with 7 for sure .
Get it for an old computer if there 's a reason you want it ( like DirectX 10/11 support or something ) and your computer is reasonable ( at least a dual core with 2GB RAM ) .We have been deploying it here at work and it works great .
It is a solid and fast OS .
App compatibility is extremely good , even with our squirelly engineering apps.But then seriously , how is this guy 's story " news for nerds " any more than my anecdote ?
I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say get Windows 7 now, if you have a reason.
If you have a new computer get it with 7 for sure.
Get it for an old computer if there's a reason you want it (like DirectX 10/11 support or something) and your computer is reasonable (at least a dual core with 2GB RAM).We have been deploying it here at work and it works great.
It is a solid and fast OS.
App compatibility is extremely good, even with our squirelly engineering apps.But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote?
I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930371</id>
	<title>Bad economy angle?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe I'm missing something subtle, but what does have to with bugs in Win7?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm missing something subtle , but what does have to with bugs in Win7 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm missing something subtle, but what does have to with bugs in Win7?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931029</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256911140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well to be honest I can't even think of any bugs that Win 7 has, or at least the normal user will see. Now maybe after using the RC from week 1 of its release right up to the reinstall of the Win 7 the day it came out and never once running into a problem I just don't see these bugs, or maybe its for corporate users or people trying to use Windows 95 software or something but honestly I have yet to have a problem except some non support of the hotkeys on my keyboard in Win 7 RC but thats been fixed in the final release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well to be honest I ca n't even think of any bugs that Win 7 has , or at least the normal user will see .
Now maybe after using the RC from week 1 of its release right up to the reinstall of the Win 7 the day it came out and never once running into a problem I just do n't see these bugs , or maybe its for corporate users or people trying to use Windows 95 software or something but honestly I have yet to have a problem except some non support of the hotkeys on my keyboard in Win 7 RC but thats been fixed in the final release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well to be honest I can't even think of any bugs that Win 7 has, or at least the normal user will see.
Now maybe after using the RC from week 1 of its release right up to the reinstall of the Win 7 the day it came out and never once running into a problem I just don't see these bugs, or maybe its for corporate users or people trying to use Windows 95 software or something but honestly I have yet to have a problem except some non support of the hotkeys on my keyboard in Win 7 RC but thats been fixed in the final release.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933205</id>
	<title>Windows 7 is fine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run several operating systems for different reasons. If you are afraid of Windows just use Ubuntu, its a close to user friendly you are going to get and things just work. Granted you can forget your iTunes store but you can sync your iPod with Rythmbox</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run several operating systems for different reasons .
If you are afraid of Windows just use Ubuntu , its a close to user friendly you are going to get and things just work .
Granted you can forget your iTunes store but you can sync your iPod with Rythmbox</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run several operating systems for different reasons.
If you are afraid of Windows just use Ubuntu, its a close to user friendly you are going to get and things just work.
Granted you can forget your iTunes store but you can sync your iPod with Rythmbox</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932641</id>
	<title>I've worked with this dude</title>
	<author>ZeroSerenity</author>
	<datestamp>1256932740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And no, he's not really intelegent about what he does. We call him little napolean for a reason. My suspicions for this comment are so that people can stay with their current OS so they have more problems to fix. Rescuecom isn't a real tech "think tank" and shouldn't be treated as such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And no , he 's not really intelegent about what he does .
We call him little napolean for a reason .
My suspicions for this comment are so that people can stay with their current OS so they have more problems to fix .
Rescuecom is n't a real tech " think tank " and should n't be treated as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And no, he's not really intelegent about what he does.
We call him little napolean for a reason.
My suspicions for this comment are so that people can stay with their current OS so they have more problems to fix.
Rescuecom isn't a real tech "think tank" and shouldn't be treated as such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931621</id>
	<title>Re:They always say this</title>
	<author>TheRecklessWanderer</author>
	<datestamp>1256917500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL All they are doing is trying to get their name out there to make money.

There is no such thing as bad publicity, right?

and if you don't know that upgrading your microsoft OS from a previous version isn't a terribly good idea, then you really shouldn't own a computer.  Well...maybe a mac.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL All they are doing is trying to get their name out there to make money .
There is no such thing as bad publicity , right ?
and if you do n't know that upgrading your microsoft OS from a previous version is n't a terribly good idea , then you really should n't own a computer .
Well...maybe a mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL All they are doing is trying to get their name out there to make money.
There is no such thing as bad publicity, right?
and if you don't know that upgrading your microsoft OS from a previous version isn't a terribly good idea, then you really shouldn't own a computer.
Well...maybe a mac.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930051</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931793</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So basically you're saying that you should assume that nothing will ever change and there couldn't possibly be a Windows OS that comes out that is any good before SP1. I installed Vista right after the launch and had no issues with it. I did install it clean and didn't upgrade though. With computers, there is always a risk. That's why your supposed to backup your data, hardware dies, software becomes corrupted. I'm not sure what "rights" you think are signed away but it just sounds like you are angry for some reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically you 're saying that you should assume that nothing will ever change and there could n't possibly be a Windows OS that comes out that is any good before SP1 .
I installed Vista right after the launch and had no issues with it .
I did install it clean and did n't upgrade though .
With computers , there is always a risk .
That 's why your supposed to backup your data , hardware dies , software becomes corrupted .
I 'm not sure what " rights " you think are signed away but it just sounds like you are angry for some reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically you're saying that you should assume that nothing will ever change and there couldn't possibly be a Windows OS that comes out that is any good before SP1.
I installed Vista right after the launch and had no issues with it.
I did install it clean and didn't upgrade though.
With computers, there is always a risk.
That's why your supposed to backup your data, hardware dies, software becomes corrupted.
I'm not sure what "rights" you think are signed away but it just sounds like you are angry for some reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930421</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932003</id>
	<title>Re:Don't wait.</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1256921580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, I've had only one Win7 computer unable to connect to my Debian Lenny fileserver, which runs Samba 3.2.5.  Said server is joined to our Server '03 R2 Active Directory.  Last time I had that sort of problem was when I was still on Debian 4.0 and Vista SP1 came out, which broke 4.0's copy of Samba (something in the early-mid 3.0 series, IIRC).  Upgrading to debian-testing solved it, as much as I disliked not using debian-stable on a server.</p><p>Oddly enough, the same guy's Mac can't connect either (even with my credentials), but that's also the only one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , I 've had only one Win7 computer unable to connect to my Debian Lenny fileserver , which runs Samba 3.2.5 .
Said server is joined to our Server '03 R2 Active Directory .
Last time I had that sort of problem was when I was still on Debian 4.0 and Vista SP1 came out , which broke 4.0 's copy of Samba ( something in the early-mid 3.0 series , IIRC ) .
Upgrading to debian-testing solved it , as much as I disliked not using debian-stable on a server.Oddly enough , the same guy 's Mac ca n't connect either ( even with my credentials ) , but that 's also the only one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, I've had only one Win7 computer unable to connect to my Debian Lenny fileserver, which runs Samba 3.2.5.
Said server is joined to our Server '03 R2 Active Directory.
Last time I had that sort of problem was when I was still on Debian 4.0 and Vista SP1 came out, which broke 4.0's copy of Samba (something in the early-mid 3.0 series, IIRC).
Upgrading to debian-testing solved it, as much as I disliked not using debian-stable on a server.Oddly enough, the same guy's Mac can't connect either (even with my credentials), but that's also the only one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930639</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932589</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256931540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The jacked/pirated copy of Windows 7 was already out a few months ago. It was even a OEM copy mind you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The jacked/pirated copy of Windows 7 was already out a few months ago .
It was even a OEM copy mind you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The jacked/pirated copy of Windows 7 was already out a few months ago.
It was even a OEM copy mind you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930375</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931723</id>
	<title>This is an outdated recommendation</title>
	<author>slasher999</author>
	<datestamp>1256918460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Waiting for SP1 used to be best practice when it came to Microsoft operating systems. However, those days are far behind us and most of you reading this probably weren't around in those days anyhow. Since Windows 2003 released MS has done a good job of releasing quality operating systems at the GA release. Waiting for a SP is not really necessary any longer. Granted I wouldn't try to be the first kid on the block with any new OS in production, but that goes for all vendors and not just Microsoft. It also applies to other software and hardware as well.</p><p>In fact this is such crap that MS tried to beat people that still do this at their own game. When Windows 2008 was released as GA, SP1 was already installed into the OS. Did these people wait for SP2 before installing? Maybe. But I believe more people are starting to realize you need to test any software extensively before relying on it in today's fast paced production environments, regardless of what SP level you are testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Waiting for SP1 used to be best practice when it came to Microsoft operating systems .
However , those days are far behind us and most of you reading this probably were n't around in those days anyhow .
Since Windows 2003 released MS has done a good job of releasing quality operating systems at the GA release .
Waiting for a SP is not really necessary any longer .
Granted I would n't try to be the first kid on the block with any new OS in production , but that goes for all vendors and not just Microsoft .
It also applies to other software and hardware as well.In fact this is such crap that MS tried to beat people that still do this at their own game .
When Windows 2008 was released as GA , SP1 was already installed into the OS .
Did these people wait for SP2 before installing ?
Maybe. But I believe more people are starting to realize you need to test any software extensively before relying on it in today 's fast paced production environments , regardless of what SP level you are testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Waiting for SP1 used to be best practice when it came to Microsoft operating systems.
However, those days are far behind us and most of you reading this probably weren't around in those days anyhow.
Since Windows 2003 released MS has done a good job of releasing quality operating systems at the GA release.
Waiting for a SP is not really necessary any longer.
Granted I wouldn't try to be the first kid on the block with any new OS in production, but that goes for all vendors and not just Microsoft.
It also applies to other software and hardware as well.In fact this is such crap that MS tried to beat people that still do this at their own game.
When Windows 2008 was released as GA, SP1 was already installed into the OS.
Did these people wait for SP2 before installing?
Maybe. But I believe more people are starting to realize you need to test any software extensively before relying on it in today's fast paced production environments, regardless of what SP level you are testing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930983</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1256910840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your comment caused me to envision sending dried turds to the chrome shop. Nice and shiny chrome. Nice and shiny OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment caused me to envision sending dried turds to the chrome shop .
Nice and shiny chrome .
Nice and shiny OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment caused me to envision sending dried turds to the chrome shop.
Nice and shiny chrome.
Nice and shiny OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930391</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.</p><p>-jcr</p></div><p>Yes, it is the "real" Vista service pack.  The driver model, the kernal, etc., are the same.  It is just a cleaned up Vista and it is GREAT.  I have had no problems since RC1.  Don't believe the wait.  It is not necessary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcrYes , it is the " real " Vista service pack .
The driver model , the kernal , etc. , are the same .
It is just a cleaned up Vista and it is GREAT .
I have had no problems since RC1 .
Do n't believe the wait .
It is not necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcrYes, it is the "real" Vista service pack.
The driver model, the kernal, etc., are the same.
It is just a cleaned up Vista and it is GREAT.
I have had no problems since RC1.
Don't believe the wait.
It is not necessary.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932251</id>
	<title>Re:Works okay for me.</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1256925180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I upgraded my laptop to XP when I found that Vista didn't run one of the games that's important to me.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded my laptop to XP when I found that Vista did n't run one of the games that 's important to me.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded my laptop to XP when I found that Vista didn't run one of the games that's important to me.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937625</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>thunderclap</author>
	<datestamp>1256989800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.</p><p>-jcr</p></div><p>Service pack 3 to be precise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcrService pack 3 to be precise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcrService pack 3 to be precise.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930097</id>
	<title>They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear this every time a new version of Windows comes out.  While it may be good policy for businesses to buy time to test the OS, develop training materials, and fix any application problems, it isn't as big of a deal for consumers, and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD.</p><p>There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system, especially if you don't have much experience with it.  That shouldn't stop you from waiting for the service pack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear this every time a new version of Windows comes out .
While it may be good policy for businesses to buy time to test the OS , develop training materials , and fix any application problems , it is n't as big of a deal for consumers , and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD.There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system , especially if you do n't have much experience with it .
That should n't stop you from waiting for the service pack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear this every time a new version of Windows comes out.
While it may be good policy for businesses to buy time to test the OS, develop training materials, and fix any application problems, it isn't as big of a deal for consumers, and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD.There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system, especially if you don't have much experience with it.
That shouldn't stop you from waiting for the service pack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29936633</id>
	<title>dont upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>windows 8 will soon be released but then 9 will follow why go to 7 when you can go to windows 10.... oh wait if you do then by that time windows wont even exist it will be all pc in your brain. just wait a little so what if you will be in a diaper by that time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>windows 8 will soon be released but then 9 will follow why go to 7 when you can go to windows 10.... oh wait if you do then by that time windows wont even exist it will be all pc in your brain .
just wait a little so what if you will be in a diaper by that time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>windows 8 will soon be released but then 9 will follow why go to 7 when you can go to windows 10.... oh wait if you do then by that time windows wont even exist it will be all pc in your brain.
just wait a little so what if you will be in a diaper by that time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931297</id>
	<title>Hell, I've gone back to Vista</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256914140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean I kept running into this issue in Win 7 where the Windows Firewall just blocks the internet after installing other apps. (Yes, this means all of a sudden IE 8 doesn't work and I get an error about not being able to get to the internet.) Unfortunately the error message doesn't actually tell you what's stopping you from getting to the internet. (Which would have been helpful. The trouble shooting doesn't either.) The only way to find out was to ask around and then play around with the Win 7 install and see that yes if you shut off the firewall all of a sudden it works. Fortunately I had installed 7 on a new drive so I just switched back to boot off of my old drive and I'm back in Vista. (BTW yes Vista actually works for me.) Hopefully SP1 fixes all of that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean I kept running into this issue in Win 7 where the Windows Firewall just blocks the internet after installing other apps .
( Yes , this means all of a sudden IE 8 does n't work and I get an error about not being able to get to the internet .
) Unfortunately the error message does n't actually tell you what 's stopping you from getting to the internet .
( Which would have been helpful .
The trouble shooting does n't either .
) The only way to find out was to ask around and then play around with the Win 7 install and see that yes if you shut off the firewall all of a sudden it works .
Fortunately I had installed 7 on a new drive so I just switched back to boot off of my old drive and I 'm back in Vista .
( BTW yes Vista actually works for me .
) Hopefully SP1 fixes all of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean I kept running into this issue in Win 7 where the Windows Firewall just blocks the internet after installing other apps.
(Yes, this means all of a sudden IE 8 doesn't work and I get an error about not being able to get to the internet.
) Unfortunately the error message doesn't actually tell you what's stopping you from getting to the internet.
(Which would have been helpful.
The trouble shooting doesn't either.
) The only way to find out was to ask around and then play around with the Win 7 install and see that yes if you shut off the firewall all of a sudden it works.
Fortunately I had installed 7 on a new drive so I just switched back to boot off of my old drive and I'm back in Vista.
(BTW yes Vista actually works for me.
) Hopefully SP1 fixes all of that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930661</id>
	<title>why SP1?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm waiting for Duke Nukem Forever before I install any Microsoft product on a system I own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm waiting for Duke Nukem Forever before I install any Microsoft product on a system I own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm waiting for Duke Nukem Forever before I install any Microsoft product on a system I own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931375</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1256915040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I deployed Windows 7 to about 200 lab machines at school - a mixture of optiplex 520's, 620's, 745's, 755's, and 960's - and it all went along without a hitch. Haven't had any app compatibility issues, and even deepfreeze works like a top (on x64 no less).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I deployed Windows 7 to about 200 lab machines at school - a mixture of optiplex 520 's , 620 's , 745 's , 755 's , and 960 's - and it all went along without a hitch .
Have n't had any app compatibility issues , and even deepfreeze works like a top ( on x64 no less ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I deployed Windows 7 to about 200 lab machines at school - a mixture of optiplex 520's, 620's, 745's, 755's, and 960's - and it all went along without a hitch.
Haven't had any app compatibility issues, and even deepfreeze works like a top (on x64 no less).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29950050</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257176520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This time it's gonna have two mouse buttons!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This time it 's gon na have two mouse buttons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This time it's gonna have two mouse buttons!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932377</id>
	<title>Re:Same old Vista, different name.</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256927220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Its still horribly incompatible with older applications"
<br> <br>
Like what?  I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of any programs that I haven't been able to run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Its still horribly incompatible with older applications " Like what ?
I 'm genuinely curious because I ca n't think of any programs that I have n't been able to run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Its still horribly incompatible with older applications"
 
Like what?
I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of any programs that I haven't been able to run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930503</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1256907240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Is that all? Minor details like that, sigh, I mean who needs their peripherals to work properly. Now if Microsoft really cared about customer satisfaction, it would work with major peripheral manufacturers to ensure that drivers would be available on release. However I suspect that drivers have become so complex (even though a printer is still just a printer) and bloated that there just aren't enough resources at the OEM's to learn the new twists and tangles of the new OS AND keep up with the constant changes made by the development team.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes, a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes, and don't even get me started on sound and video drivers...</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers       Is that all ?
Minor details like that , sigh , I mean who needs their peripherals to work properly .
Now if Microsoft really cared about customer satisfaction , it would work with major peripheral manufacturers to ensure that drivers would be available on release .
However I suspect that drivers have become so complex ( even though a printer is still just a printer ) and bloated that there just are n't enough resources at the OEM 's to learn the new twists and tangles of the new OS AND keep up with the constant changes made by the development team .
      I 've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes , a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes , and do n't even get me started on sound and video drivers.. .      </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers
      Is that all?
Minor details like that, sigh, I mean who needs their peripherals to work properly.
Now if Microsoft really cared about customer satisfaction, it would work with major peripheral manufacturers to ensure that drivers would be available on release.
However I suspect that drivers have become so complex (even though a printer is still just a printer) and bloated that there just aren't enough resources at the OEM's to learn the new twists and tangles of the new OS AND keep up with the constant changes made by the development team.
      I've always asked myself why the hell a mouse driver has to be 50 MEGAbytes, a keyboard driver 80 MEGAbytes, and don't even get me started on sound and video drivers...
     </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930037</id>
	<title>Say what?</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1256904840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... Windows 7 is the vista service pack.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931043</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256911200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If want to understand the Windows family, use <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Windows\_Family\_Tree.svg" title="wikimedia.org">this chart</a> [wikimedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If want to understand the Windows family , use this chart [ wikimedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If want to understand the Windows family, use this chart [wikimedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930583</id>
	<title>Pleased with Windows 7</title>
	<author>QX-Mat</author>
	<datestamp>1256907780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pleased with Windows 7... So in order the counter the FUD i'll explain. Also, don't read this to merely complain I'm spewing crap: I know I am.</p><p>I'm an 'old school' zipslack 3.4 user. I not-so-recently installed ubuntu on an away-from-home PC that sits at my parents, and admin a decrepit centos-4 virtual machine. I've come a long way on RH machines.</p><p>I'd like to think I know what I talk about when I talk about the desktop: I've tried QNX ("things work"), BeOS (50Mb of "everything works all at once, weee"), and various Linux GDMs - fvwm95 being "good enough" for me. I'm a part-time KDE fanboy too. I'm a Vista-hater, although I do put up with it on my laptop because I have to (came pre-installed/don't want a Linux laptop)</p><p>Prior to Windows 7 I ran XP64. I didn't upgrade to XP32 until after Win 98 was largely depreciated and support began to stop (for the first time), as Win 98 was "perfect" for me (so was Communicator 4.72, but that's another story). SP2 was out shortly after I upgraded to XP, so I didn't feel any of the pain people consistently remind me XP had. I upgraded to x64 a few months after it came out, (again missing pre XP SP1 problems since XP64 is Win 2003 + SP1) even though I couldn't use any wireless adaptors, I praised the Win 2003 'core' stability.</p><p>So... with all that: I like Windows 7... *BUT* I have a brand new 4-core, 6Gb, dual ATI beast to enjoy it with. My initial reason for buying it outright on preorder (&pound;140!), and not going the student edition upgrade route (&pound;38) was that I wanted the "Pro" edition for gaming, and another licence not an upgrade in situ copy (I've plenty of working license via my MSDNAA membership, but this year I don't have access to Windows because I've switched away from the Computing dept).</p><p>I also wanted to experience a newer OS that had multiple cores in mind. As an LWN reader and Con Kolivas fanboy, I knew I wasn't ready to move to a full Linux desktop: I don't want to configure my graphics card to work, and the new open source ATI drivers won't power my games like they do under Windows (I spent money on my graphics card, and I want to make use of it!).</p><p>I usually theme to Windows classic without exception, and did the same with Windows 7 until I decided I wanted a transparent taskbar - so although I've small icons, quick launch and zoomed out on my desktop for smaller icons (CTRL-mouse wheel everyone), I'm happy with the Windows 7 UK theme. The new Win-key short-cuts are pretty useful!</p><p>It's the little things I'm pleased with. The console defrag has a parallel option, and works great out of the box - I can defrag a HD and watch videos without *any* stuttering. The native h.264 codecs work well (although I haven't tested them much they were the 3rd thing I upgraded b/c of a TV Versity transcoding limitation - ie: upgraded to recent codecs/and TVV needs to be a "user" service etc).</p><p>I'm pleasantly surprised with the instantly available/stripped down Media Player: under Windows 7 it's x2 as fast to start as Media Player Classic - the only annoyance I have with it is how small the track bar is, and that I can't use space to pause or my mouse wheel for volume.</p><p>oooh time to go to the pub!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pleased with Windows 7... So in order the counter the FUD i 'll explain .
Also , do n't read this to merely complain I 'm spewing crap : I know I am.I 'm an 'old school ' zipslack 3.4 user .
I not-so-recently installed ubuntu on an away-from-home PC that sits at my parents , and admin a decrepit centos-4 virtual machine .
I 've come a long way on RH machines.I 'd like to think I know what I talk about when I talk about the desktop : I 've tried QNX ( " things work " ) , BeOS ( 50Mb of " everything works all at once , weee " ) , and various Linux GDMs - fvwm95 being " good enough " for me .
I 'm a part-time KDE fanboy too .
I 'm a Vista-hater , although I do put up with it on my laptop because I have to ( came pre-installed/do n't want a Linux laptop ) Prior to Windows 7 I ran XP64 .
I did n't upgrade to XP32 until after Win 98 was largely depreciated and support began to stop ( for the first time ) , as Win 98 was " perfect " for me ( so was Communicator 4.72 , but that 's another story ) .
SP2 was out shortly after I upgraded to XP , so I did n't feel any of the pain people consistently remind me XP had .
I upgraded to x64 a few months after it came out , ( again missing pre XP SP1 problems since XP64 is Win 2003 + SP1 ) even though I could n't use any wireless adaptors , I praised the Win 2003 'core ' stability.So... with all that : I like Windows 7... * BUT * I have a brand new 4-core , 6Gb , dual ATI beast to enjoy it with .
My initial reason for buying it outright on preorder (   140 !
) , and not going the student edition upgrade route (   38 ) was that I wanted the " Pro " edition for gaming , and another licence not an upgrade in situ copy ( I 've plenty of working license via my MSDNAA membership , but this year I do n't have access to Windows because I 've switched away from the Computing dept ) .I also wanted to experience a newer OS that had multiple cores in mind .
As an LWN reader and Con Kolivas fanboy , I knew I was n't ready to move to a full Linux desktop : I do n't want to configure my graphics card to work , and the new open source ATI drivers wo n't power my games like they do under Windows ( I spent money on my graphics card , and I want to make use of it !
) .I usually theme to Windows classic without exception , and did the same with Windows 7 until I decided I wanted a transparent taskbar - so although I 've small icons , quick launch and zoomed out on my desktop for smaller icons ( CTRL-mouse wheel everyone ) , I 'm happy with the Windows 7 UK theme .
The new Win-key short-cuts are pretty useful ! It 's the little things I 'm pleased with .
The console defrag has a parallel option , and works great out of the box - I can defrag a HD and watch videos without * any * stuttering .
The native h.264 codecs work well ( although I have n't tested them much they were the 3rd thing I upgraded b/c of a TV Versity transcoding limitation - ie : upgraded to recent codecs/and TVV needs to be a " user " service etc ) .I 'm pleasantly surprised with the instantly available/stripped down Media Player : under Windows 7 it 's x2 as fast to start as Media Player Classic - the only annoyance I have with it is how small the track bar is , and that I ca n't use space to pause or my mouse wheel for volume.oooh time to go to the pub !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pleased with Windows 7... So in order the counter the FUD i'll explain.
Also, don't read this to merely complain I'm spewing crap: I know I am.I'm an 'old school' zipslack 3.4 user.
I not-so-recently installed ubuntu on an away-from-home PC that sits at my parents, and admin a decrepit centos-4 virtual machine.
I've come a long way on RH machines.I'd like to think I know what I talk about when I talk about the desktop: I've tried QNX ("things work"), BeOS (50Mb of "everything works all at once, weee"), and various Linux GDMs - fvwm95 being "good enough" for me.
I'm a part-time KDE fanboy too.
I'm a Vista-hater, although I do put up with it on my laptop because I have to (came pre-installed/don't want a Linux laptop)Prior to Windows 7 I ran XP64.
I didn't upgrade to XP32 until after Win 98 was largely depreciated and support began to stop (for the first time), as Win 98 was "perfect" for me (so was Communicator 4.72, but that's another story).
SP2 was out shortly after I upgraded to XP, so I didn't feel any of the pain people consistently remind me XP had.
I upgraded to x64 a few months after it came out, (again missing pre XP SP1 problems since XP64 is Win 2003 + SP1) even though I couldn't use any wireless adaptors, I praised the Win 2003 'core' stability.So... with all that: I like Windows 7... *BUT* I have a brand new 4-core, 6Gb, dual ATI beast to enjoy it with.
My initial reason for buying it outright on preorder (£140!
), and not going the student edition upgrade route (£38) was that I wanted the "Pro" edition for gaming, and another licence not an upgrade in situ copy (I've plenty of working license via my MSDNAA membership, but this year I don't have access to Windows because I've switched away from the Computing dept).I also wanted to experience a newer OS that had multiple cores in mind.
As an LWN reader and Con Kolivas fanboy, I knew I wasn't ready to move to a full Linux desktop: I don't want to configure my graphics card to work, and the new open source ATI drivers won't power my games like they do under Windows (I spent money on my graphics card, and I want to make use of it!
).I usually theme to Windows classic without exception, and did the same with Windows 7 until I decided I wanted a transparent taskbar - so although I've small icons, quick launch and zoomed out on my desktop for smaller icons (CTRL-mouse wheel everyone), I'm happy with the Windows 7 UK theme.
The new Win-key short-cuts are pretty useful!It's the little things I'm pleased with.
The console defrag has a parallel option, and works great out of the box - I can defrag a HD and watch videos without *any* stuttering.
The native h.264 codecs work well (although I haven't tested them much they were the 3rd thing I upgraded b/c of a TV Versity transcoding limitation - ie: upgraded to recent codecs/and TVV needs to be a "user" service etc).I'm pleasantly surprised with the instantly available/stripped down Media Player: under Windows 7 it's x2 as fast to start as Media Player Classic - the only annoyance I have with it is how small the track bar is, and that I can't use space to pause or my mouse wheel for volume.oooh time to go to the pub!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931583</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1256917140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait. What?</p><p>Microsoft seriously launched without the hardware vendors on board again?</p><p>Which vendors? 64-bit or 32-bit? I hope it's minor ones and not, say, nVidia again. The promise that "it's coming over the next 4-5 months" does not inspire confidence.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait .
What ? Microsoft seriously launched without the hardware vendors on board again ? Which vendors ?
64-bit or 32-bit ?
I hope it 's minor ones and not , say , nVidia again .
The promise that " it 's coming over the next 4-5 months " does not inspire confidence.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait.
What?Microsoft seriously launched without the hardware vendors on board again?Which vendors?
64-bit or 32-bit?
I hope it's minor ones and not, say, nVidia again.
The promise that "it's coming over the next 4-5 months" does not inspire confidence.--Toro</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930185</id>
	<title>Don't buy 1.0 of anything</title>
	<author>cryfreedomlove</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Purchasing version 1.0 of anything is always an act of vanity rather than practicality.<br> <br>Examples include:<br> <br>Cars (Tesla?)<br>Phones, including Droid<br>Operating Systems<br>Girl friends<br>etc, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Purchasing version 1.0 of anything is always an act of vanity rather than practicality .
Examples include : Cars ( Tesla ?
) Phones , including DroidOperating SystemsGirl friendsetc , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Purchasing version 1.0 of anything is always an act of vanity rather than practicality.
Examples include: Cars (Tesla?
)Phones, including DroidOperating SystemsGirl friendsetc, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930539</id>
	<title>Backup your data</title>
	<author>Mistakill</author>
	<datestamp>1256907540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I set up dual boot on my PC the other week on a separate partition on a separate HDD (i have Vista 64 installed already, installed Windows 9 Professional)... and the partition decided to corrupt itself after 4 days (probably would have happened with any other OS, bad luck is bad luck).
<br> <br>
I formatted the partition and using True Image, i restored the partition to the way it was after the clean install (AV/Office/FF/handful of favourite progs installed). This took all of 30 or so minutes... and it's running fine... I'd suggest alot of people aren't backing up data, and crying foul when something fails during an install, upgrade, or the likes...
<br> <br>
Remember, if its important, back it up...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I set up dual boot on my PC the other week on a separate partition on a separate HDD ( i have Vista 64 installed already , installed Windows 9 Professional ) ... and the partition decided to corrupt itself after 4 days ( probably would have happened with any other OS , bad luck is bad luck ) .
I formatted the partition and using True Image , i restored the partition to the way it was after the clean install ( AV/Office/FF/handful of favourite progs installed ) .
This took all of 30 or so minutes... and it 's running fine... I 'd suggest alot of people are n't backing up data , and crying foul when something fails during an install , upgrade , or the likes.. . Remember , if its important , back it up... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I set up dual boot on my PC the other week on a separate partition on a separate HDD (i have Vista 64 installed already, installed Windows 9 Professional)... and the partition decided to corrupt itself after 4 days (probably would have happened with any other OS, bad luck is bad luck).
I formatted the partition and using True Image, i restored the partition to the way it was after the clean install (AV/Office/FF/handful of favourite progs installed).
This took all of 30 or so minutes... and it's running fine... I'd suggest alot of people aren't backing up data, and crying foul when something fails during an install, upgrade, or the likes...
 
Remember, if its important, back it up... :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930171</id>
	<title>C'mon</title>
	<author>mzeb</author>
	<datestamp>1256905620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's always one. There are enough information providers on the net that you can always find one saying what you want to write an article about. Sorry, smells like FUD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's always one .
There are enough information providers on the net that you can always find one saying what you want to write an article about .
Sorry , smells like FUD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's always one.
There are enough information providers on the net that you can always find one saying what you want to write an article about.
Sorry, smells like FUD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931779</id>
	<title>What a brave and outlandish statement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time Microsoft release anything the entire universe says "wait for sp1".  These guys are just taking a cargo cult attitude, spitting out the syllables but not understanding the content of the words.  What would they say if Windows 7 was released as a Vista service pack?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time Microsoft release anything the entire universe says " wait for sp1 " .
These guys are just taking a cargo cult attitude , spitting out the syllables but not understanding the content of the words .
What would they say if Windows 7 was released as a Vista service pack ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time Microsoft release anything the entire universe says "wait for sp1".
These guys are just taking a cargo cult attitude, spitting out the syllables but not understanding the content of the words.
What would they say if Windows 7 was released as a Vista service pack?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930421</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD.</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Yes because there was NOTHING WRONG with Vista or Windows Me, for that matter.</p><p><i>There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Only because you have been indoctrinated to believe that. There doesn't have to be. But because you "sign" all your rights away when you break the seal on the package, Microsoft doesn't give a shit. In fact, it helps create work for their support department.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD .
      Yes because there was NOTHING WRONG with Vista or Windows Me , for that matter.There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system       Only because you have been indoctrinated to believe that .
There does n't have to be .
But because you " sign " all your rights away when you break the seal on the package , Microsoft does n't give a shit .
In fact , it helps create work for their support department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and articles like this come off as anti-Microsoft FUD.
      Yes because there was NOTHING WRONG with Vista or Windows Me, for that matter.There is always risk in upgrading to a new operating system
      Only because you have been indoctrinated to believe that.
There doesn't have to be.
But because you "sign" all your rights away when you break the seal on the package, Microsoft doesn't give a shit.
In fact, it helps create work for their support department.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930195</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1256905740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck it, we're waiting for Windows 8.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck it , we 're waiting for Windows 8 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck it, we're waiting for Windows 8.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930941</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256910480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow I am so glad I stopped using windows/linux...
<br> <br>
I haven't had to install fresh since I bought my Mac, and I got it with 10.4 installed, and have since upgraded to 10.5 and 10.6 the day after release. Sure Mac OS X has had it's share of upgrade bugs but in my experience (with 3 macs) I've never seen them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow I am so glad I stopped using windows/linux.. . I have n't had to install fresh since I bought my Mac , and I got it with 10.4 installed , and have since upgraded to 10.5 and 10.6 the day after release .
Sure Mac OS X has had it 's share of upgrade bugs but in my experience ( with 3 macs ) I 've never seen them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow I am so glad I stopped using windows/linux...
 
I haven't had to install fresh since I bought my Mac, and I got it with 10.4 installed, and have since upgraded to 10.5 and 10.6 the day after release.
Sure Mac OS X has had it's share of upgrade bugs but in my experience (with 3 macs) I've never seen them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932557</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256930820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Here's the thing, if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you're a fool not to get Windows 7 right now</p><p>Well, duh!  Of course they were if they have Vista installed.</p><p>But seriously, if you want to upgrade your computer, buy 4 GB of RAM from a decent brand.  At least then you know your computer will be better off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Here 's the thing , if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you 're a fool not to get Windows 7 right nowWell , duh !
Of course they were if they have Vista installed.But seriously , if you want to upgrade your computer , buy 4 GB of RAM from a decent brand .
At least then you know your computer will be better off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Here's the thing, if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you're a fool not to get Windows 7 right nowWell, duh!
Of course they were if they have Vista installed.But seriously, if you want to upgrade your computer, buy 4 GB of RAM from a decent brand.
At least then you know your computer will be better off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930781</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933359</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1256991300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>95/98/Me were all Windows 4.x There was a separate series of NT based Windows that started on v3.x for various reasons including parallels with the home version of Windows, and source compatibility.  Windows 2000 was NT 5.  XP was just another NT 5 variant.  Vista was windows 6, and Windows 7 is Windows 6 as well (actually 6.1).  <br> <br>
MS made some justification as to why they're using a version number of 6.1, but really it doesn't make a lot of sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>95/98/Me were all Windows 4.x There was a separate series of NT based Windows that started on v3.x for various reasons including parallels with the home version of Windows , and source compatibility .
Windows 2000 was NT 5 .
XP was just another NT 5 variant .
Vista was windows 6 , and Windows 7 is Windows 6 as well ( actually 6.1 ) .
MS made some justification as to why they 're using a version number of 6.1 , but really it does n't make a lot of sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>95/98/Me were all Windows 4.x There was a separate series of NT based Windows that started on v3.x for various reasons including parallels with the home version of Windows, and source compatibility.
Windows 2000 was NT 5.
XP was just another NT 5 variant.
Vista was windows 6, and Windows 7 is Windows 6 as well (actually 6.1).
MS made some justification as to why they're using a version number of 6.1, but really it doesn't make a lot of sense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930783</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933537</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1256994780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote? I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate.</p></div><p>This is news for managers.</p><p>
Because they wouldn't accept this logic from one of their own techs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But then seriously , how is this guy 's story " news for nerds " any more than my anecdote ?
I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate.This is news for managers .
Because they would n't accept this logic from one of their own techs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then seriously, how is this guy's story "news for nerds" any more than my anecdote?
I would think nerds would be capable enough of doing testing to determine if 7 is right for their environment and then deploying it if appropriate.This is news for managers.
Because they wouldn't accept this logic from one of their own techs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930537</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or stupid people could just not upgrade, save all of their data and do a fresh install.  Which is what everyone should do anyway.  Upgrading from a previous version of a Windows OS is asking for trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or stupid people could just not upgrade , save all of their data and do a fresh install .
Which is what everyone should do anyway .
Upgrading from a previous version of a Windows OS is asking for trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or stupid people could just not upgrade, save all of their data and do a fresh install.
Which is what everyone should do anyway.
Upgrading from a previous version of a Windows OS is asking for trouble.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29929997</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29935487</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>tdwebste</author>
	<datestamp>1257012840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No you won't be installing XP on your new Laptop for the simple reason that XP drivers won't exist for it. I suggest XP inside a virtualbox or similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No you wo n't be installing XP on your new Laptop for the simple reason that XP drivers wo n't exist for it .
I suggest XP inside a virtualbox or similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you won't be installing XP on your new Laptop for the simple reason that XP drivers won't exist for it.
I suggest XP inside a virtualbox or similar.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930375</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937133</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1256984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a strange strategy; I vote mainly based on a candidate's policy positions and track record. But hey, I suppose you could go on other random, arbitrary things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a strange strategy ; I vote mainly based on a candidate 's policy positions and track record .
But hey , I suppose you could go on other random , arbitrary things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a strange strategy; I vote mainly based on a candidate's policy positions and track record.
But hey, I suppose you could go on other random, arbitrary things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932869</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1256981160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can wait for others to test Windows 7, and not feel the slightest regret, no matter how it turns out.  And I'm running XP as happily as can be.</p><p>Or I can...  man I don't even want to type out how much of a bitch it is to give a new OS a day in court.</p><p>I raise my glass to those who are keen enough to play guinea pig, I can't afford the downtime, or even the prep work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can wait for others to test Windows 7 , and not feel the slightest regret , no matter how it turns out .
And I 'm running XP as happily as can be.Or I can... man I do n't even want to type out how much of a bitch it is to give a new OS a day in court.I raise my glass to those who are keen enough to play guinea pig , I ca n't afford the downtime , or even the prep work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can wait for others to test Windows 7, and not feel the slightest regret, no matter how it turns out.
And I'm running XP as happily as can be.Or I can...  man I don't even want to type out how much of a bitch it is to give a new OS a day in court.I raise my glass to those who are keen enough to play guinea pig, I can't afford the downtime, or even the prep work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930989</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1256910840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians.</p></div><p>I try, but voting is compulsory in Australia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians.I try , but voting is compulsory in Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians.I try, but voting is compulsory in Australia.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931531</id>
	<title>Re:Don't wait.</title>
	<author>lamebrane</author>
	<datestamp>1256916660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love installing the most recent versions of any OS, but really don't like going through the incredible gyrations to re-install the 300-400 apps that I use. I run several W2K3 servers and multiple XP desktops. There isn't an upgrade path that I know of that will keep my current installed apps running smoothly.

Isn't this the real problem with MS Windows? There are so many hooks into the OS by the installed apps that once you decide to upgrade the OS most of the apps (Registry based) stop working. Of course, I have few problems with the open-source software that installs nicely in any folder you want - Windows upgrades be damned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love installing the most recent versions of any OS , but really do n't like going through the incredible gyrations to re-install the 300-400 apps that I use .
I run several W2K3 servers and multiple XP desktops .
There is n't an upgrade path that I know of that will keep my current installed apps running smoothly .
Is n't this the real problem with MS Windows ?
There are so many hooks into the OS by the installed apps that once you decide to upgrade the OS most of the apps ( Registry based ) stop working .
Of course , I have few problems with the open-source software that installs nicely in any folder you want - Windows upgrades be damned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love installing the most recent versions of any OS, but really don't like going through the incredible gyrations to re-install the 300-400 apps that I use.
I run several W2K3 servers and multiple XP desktops.
There isn't an upgrade path that I know of that will keep my current installed apps running smoothly.
Isn't this the real problem with MS Windows?
There are so many hooks into the OS by the installed apps that once you decide to upgrade the OS most of the apps (Registry based) stop working.
Of course, I have few problems with the open-source software that installs nicely in any folder you want - Windows upgrades be damned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930639</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29936685</id>
	<title>Running Windows 7 RC For Months w/o ANY Problems</title>
	<author>dontbesquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256980260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Subject Says It All....both at work and at home.  No problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Subject Says It All....both at work and at home .
No problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Subject Says It All....both at work and at home.
No problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29939601</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257012900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.</i></p><p>I solved that one.  Turn off "hardware acceleration" in your flash content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.I solved that one .
Turn off " hardware acceleration " in your flash content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.I solved that one.
Turn off "hardware acceleration" in your flash content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930781</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the thing, if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you're a fool not to get Windows 7 right now, because Vista is still a dog in "low" memory situations. If you're using XP, you could wait for Windows 7 SP1; if you're not compelled to move to Vista by the software you can't run on XP now, there's going to be little reason to move to Windows 7 before then. On the other hand, I've found game compatibility to be poor. Many home users care about such things. If you don't, then go to 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the thing , if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you 're a fool not to get Windows 7 right now , because Vista is still a dog in " low " memory situations .
If you 're using XP , you could wait for Windows 7 SP1 ; if you 're not compelled to move to Vista by the software you ca n't run on XP now , there 's going to be little reason to move to Windows 7 before then .
On the other hand , I 've found game compatibility to be poor .
Many home users care about such things .
If you do n't , then go to 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the thing, if you have only 1GB RAM and you have Vista then you're a fool not to get Windows 7 right now, because Vista is still a dog in "low" memory situations.
If you're using XP, you could wait for Windows 7 SP1; if you're not compelled to move to Vista by the software you can't run on XP now, there's going to be little reason to move to Windows 7 before then.
On the other hand, I've found game compatibility to be poor.
Many home users care about such things.
If you don't, then go to 7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932933</id>
	<title>Re:Works okay for me.</title>
	<author>ildon</author>
	<datestamp>1256982720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Upon further investigation, it looks like Nvidia may be the one who broke Quake 2 for you, rather than Win7. Try the fix <a href="http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=140472" title="nvnews.net" rel="nofollow">here</a> [nvnews.net].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Upon further investigation , it looks like Nvidia may be the one who broke Quake 2 for you , rather than Win7 .
Try the fix here [ nvnews.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upon further investigation, it looks like Nvidia may be the one who broke Quake 2 for you, rather than Win7.
Try the fix here [nvnews.net].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29935437</id>
	<title>50 installs and no problem</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257012540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've installed Windows 7 on over 50 PCs and have not seen any major issues with it. This is not like the Windows release of yesteryear.</p><p>We have all kinds of software and hardware running and it all works. It just works. I never thought I would say that about a Microsoft OS, but everything JUST WORKS.</p><p>I have yet to have to manually download a driver or put a CD in the drive to get a piece of hardware working - after ~50 PCs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've installed Windows 7 on over 50 PCs and have not seen any major issues with it .
This is not like the Windows release of yesteryear.We have all kinds of software and hardware running and it all works .
It just works .
I never thought I would say that about a Microsoft OS , but everything JUST WORKS.I have yet to have to manually download a driver or put a CD in the drive to get a piece of hardware working - after ~ 50 PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've installed Windows 7 on over 50 PCs and have not seen any major issues with it.
This is not like the Windows release of yesteryear.We have all kinds of software and hardware running and it all works.
It just works.
I never thought I would say that about a Microsoft OS, but everything JUST WORKS.I have yet to have to manually download a driver or put a CD in the drive to get a piece of hardware working - after ~50 PCs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933795</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone, unlike Microsoft, where they have all these different "flavors" at different price-points.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;</p><p>Not true.  Depending on when you hopped on the Apple Ferris Wheel, you could have OS 10.2 (like me), or 10.3, or 10.4, or 10.5, or 10.6..... all of which have different levels of support (I can't find a decent browser for 10.2).  It's not as simple as saying "I have XP" and be done with it.  You have to dig into the requirements and see if the program supports 10.2.</p><p>Or require expensive annual upgrades to keep up (in contrast I haven't spent a dime upgrading XP since 2001).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone , unlike Microsoft , where they have all these different " flavors " at different price-points. &gt; &gt; &gt; Not true .
Depending on when you hopped on the Apple Ferris Wheel , you could have OS 10.2 ( like me ) , or 10.3 , or 10.4 , or 10.5 , or 10.6..... all of which have different levels of support ( I ca n't find a decent browser for 10.2 ) .
It 's not as simple as saying " I have XP " and be done with it .
You have to dig into the requirements and see if the program supports 10.2.Or require expensive annual upgrades to keep up ( in contrast I have n't spent a dime upgrading XP since 2001 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone, unlike Microsoft, where they have all these different "flavors" at different price-points.&gt;&gt;&gt;Not true.
Depending on when you hopped on the Apple Ferris Wheel, you could have OS 10.2 (like me), or 10.3, or 10.4, or 10.5, or 10.6..... all of which have different levels of support (I can't find a decent browser for 10.2).
It's not as simple as saying "I have XP" and be done with it.
You have to dig into the requirements and see if the program supports 10.2.Or require expensive annual upgrades to keep up (in contrast I haven't spent a dime upgrading XP since 2001).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931541</id>
	<title>olds ?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1256916720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought that info was olds, not news? For at least the past 10 years, anyone who upgrades to a new windos version before the first big patchset is done is roughly on the same risk level as someone going to vacation in Afghanistan. As a woman. In a bikini. Together with your lesbian girlfriend. Who has an "I love USA" tattoo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that info was olds , not news ?
For at least the past 10 years , anyone who upgrades to a new windos version before the first big patchset is done is roughly on the same risk level as someone going to vacation in Afghanistan .
As a woman .
In a bikini .
Together with your lesbian girlfriend .
Who has an " I love USA " tattoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that info was olds, not news?
For at least the past 10 years, anyone who upgrades to a new windos version before the first big patchset is done is roughly on the same risk level as someone going to vacation in Afghanistan.
As a woman.
In a bikini.
Together with your lesbian girlfriend.
Who has an "I love USA" tattoo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930051</id>
	<title>They always say this</title>
	<author>Jugalator</author>
	<datestamp>1256904900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's new? This is always the recommendation. It has never not been the recommendation to jump on a Windows product as soon as it's been released by a support firm. Is it just posted here to give Slashdot readers a space to vent their Windows 7 thoughts on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's new ?
This is always the recommendation .
It has never not been the recommendation to jump on a Windows product as soon as it 's been released by a support firm .
Is it just posted here to give Slashdot readers a space to vent their Windows 7 thoughts on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's new?
This is always the recommendation.
It has never not been the recommendation to jump on a Windows product as soon as it's been released by a support firm.
Is it just posted here to give Slashdot readers a space to vent their Windows 7 thoughts on?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933713</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1256996760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently bought Windows 7 for my aging Athlon 64 PC (old PC for today's standards). It's not even multicore...WinXP could not handle the 4 GB ram I've put in the box...but Windows 7 64 bit handles it perfectly...I did not upgrade my WinXP installation, I made a new partition, leaving the old XP intact. No problem so far, whatsoever with Win7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently bought Windows 7 for my aging Athlon 64 PC ( old PC for today 's standards ) .
It 's not even multicore...WinXP could not handle the 4 GB ram I 've put in the box...but Windows 7 64 bit handles it perfectly...I did not upgrade my WinXP installation , I made a new partition , leaving the old XP intact .
No problem so far , whatsoever with Win7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently bought Windows 7 for my aging Athlon 64 PC (old PC for today's standards).
It's not even multicore...WinXP could not handle the 4 GB ram I've put in the box...but Windows 7 64 bit handles it perfectly...I did not upgrade my WinXP installation, I made a new partition, leaving the old XP intact.
No problem so far, whatsoever with Win7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29940155</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257066060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've heard mickeysoft clowns apologising for years "oh, if you had big enterprise blah blah then blah"  which is all bullshit.  I run Linux.There *ARE* some big enterprises (25000+ desktops plus several hundred servers) that run it.  And upgrade.  First version (not the second or third patched one).  No problems.  Ever.  The companies running mickeysoft made stupid corporate decisions.  Blame them already!  Microsofts software sucks, unlike other software.  You can argue that all software sucks, but Microsofts sucks in a league all its own.  Their suckage is at least 3 orders of magnitude more sucky.  Accept it and move on already!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard mickeysoft clowns apologising for years " oh , if you had big enterprise blah blah then blah " which is all bullshit .
I run Linux.There * ARE * some big enterprises ( 25000 + desktops plus several hundred servers ) that run it .
And upgrade .
First version ( not the second or third patched one ) .
No problems .
Ever. The companies running mickeysoft made stupid corporate decisions .
Blame them already !
Microsofts software sucks , unlike other software .
You can argue that all software sucks , but Microsofts sucks in a league all its own .
Their suckage is at least 3 orders of magnitude more sucky .
Accept it and move on already !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard mickeysoft clowns apologising for years "oh, if you had big enterprise blah blah then blah"  which is all bullshit.
I run Linux.There *ARE* some big enterprises (25000+ desktops plus several hundred servers) that run it.
And upgrade.
First version (not the second or third patched one).
No problems.
Ever.  The companies running mickeysoft made stupid corporate decisions.
Blame them already!
Microsofts software sucks, unlike other software.
You can argue that all software sucks, but Microsofts sucks in a league all its own.
Their suckage is at least 3 orders of magnitude more sucky.
Accept it and move on already!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932267</id>
	<title>contrary for kicks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256925480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if the story title had been: "Upgrade now to Windows 7, Support Firm Encourages Users"... then all the replies would have been "Noes way!!!1! we neeedz to waitz for SP1z mine preeecious".<br> <br>

most of the time slashdot is just chock full of people who like being contrary - actually its probably a cornerstone of nerd culture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if the story title had been : " Upgrade now to Windows 7 , Support Firm Encourages Users " ... then all the replies would have been " Noes way ! ! ! 1 !
we neeedz to waitz for SP1z mine preeecious " .
most of the time slashdot is just chock full of people who like being contrary - actually its probably a cornerstone of nerd culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the story title had been: "Upgrade now to Windows 7, Support Firm Encourages Users"... then all the replies would have been "Noes way!!!1!
we neeedz to waitz for SP1z mine preeecious".
most of the time slashdot is just chock full of people who like being contrary - actually its probably a cornerstone of nerd culture.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932483</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>the\_humeister</author>
	<datestamp>1256929260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The latest Windows OS I had installed was Windows 2000. I've had a 20 GB Windows partition that I use every time I upgrade hard drives (just copy the partition over and partition the rest of the space). I'm mainly using Debian, but bought the family pack to upgrade my computer and my wife's (she's not liking Windows Vista anymore). I just finished installing W7 on the W2k partition, and so far it's not a bad OS. My only gripe is that the installation overwrites the MBR so I had to use an Ubuntu Live CD to reinstall grub.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The latest Windows OS I had installed was Windows 2000 .
I 've had a 20 GB Windows partition that I use every time I upgrade hard drives ( just copy the partition over and partition the rest of the space ) .
I 'm mainly using Debian , but bought the family pack to upgrade my computer and my wife 's ( she 's not liking Windows Vista anymore ) .
I just finished installing W7 on the W2k partition , and so far it 's not a bad OS .
My only gripe is that the installation overwrites the MBR so I had to use an Ubuntu Live CD to reinstall grub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latest Windows OS I had installed was Windows 2000.
I've had a 20 GB Windows partition that I use every time I upgrade hard drives (just copy the partition over and partition the rest of the space).
I'm mainly using Debian, but bought the family pack to upgrade my computer and my wife's (she's not liking Windows Vista anymore).
I just finished installing W7 on the W2k partition, and so far it's not a bad OS.
My only gripe is that the installation overwrites the MBR so I had to use an Ubuntu Live CD to reinstall grub.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930473</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>These Mac ads remind me of a politician who has nothing good to say about his own policies and platform, so he spends his time badmouthing the other candidates. I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These Mac ads remind me of a politician who has nothing good to say about his own policies and platform , so he spends his time badmouthing the other candidates .
I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These Mac ads remind me of a politician who has nothing good to say about his own policies and platform, so he spends his time badmouthing the other candidates.
I make it a point never to vote for those kinds of politicians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930153</id>
	<title>It works fine for techies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I upgraded Vista SP2 Business to W7 Ultimate and it worked great.  There are two things that I would caution on though.  My printer driver doesn't work well anymore because HP hasn't upgraded their printer drivers and my Motherboard drivers had to be refreshed as I was having some problems with the chips that drive the ethernet ports.  Printer and motherboard drivers are not a Windows 7 flaw though, but are dependencies.  By the way, HP isn't planing to upgrade their printer drivers until Jan '10.  What's up with that ?</p><p>Waiting for SP1 isn't a bad idea if you are not a techie.  For those of us who are techies, bring it.  W7 works great !!!!  Unless I have to print something, which I still can, but I can't get any advanced functionality like duplex printing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I upgraded Vista SP2 Business to W7 Ultimate and it worked great .
There are two things that I would caution on though .
My printer driver does n't work well anymore because HP has n't upgraded their printer drivers and my Motherboard drivers had to be refreshed as I was having some problems with the chips that drive the ethernet ports .
Printer and motherboard drivers are not a Windows 7 flaw though , but are dependencies .
By the way , HP is n't planing to upgrade their printer drivers until Jan '10 .
What 's up with that ? Waiting for SP1 is n't a bad idea if you are not a techie .
For those of us who are techies , bring it .
W7 works great ! ! ! !
Unless I have to print something , which I still can , but I ca n't get any advanced functionality like duplex printing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I upgraded Vista SP2 Business to W7 Ultimate and it worked great.
There are two things that I would caution on though.
My printer driver doesn't work well anymore because HP hasn't upgraded their printer drivers and my Motherboard drivers had to be refreshed as I was having some problems with the chips that drive the ethernet ports.
Printer and motherboard drivers are not a Windows 7 flaw though, but are dependencies.
By the way, HP isn't planing to upgrade their printer drivers until Jan '10.
What's up with that ?Waiting for SP1 isn't a bad idea if you are not a techie.
For those of us who are techies, bring it.
W7 works great !!!!
Unless I have to print something, which I still can, but I can't get any advanced functionality like duplex printing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930589</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, what organization does not run a test machine or virtualization software before deploying an OS to mission critical machines? I remembered before we jumped into Vista from my previous company, we made sure that it would support all our apps as well as machine configuration. This was very easy to do by having it installed on machine and we allowed everybody to make it crash under normal circumstances. Good to say, we never made it crash under normal operating constraints and upgraded some of our machines to Vista, we stayed with XP though for the people that needed to use specific legacy apps that were developed to run on only XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what organization does not run a test machine or virtualization software before deploying an OS to mission critical machines ?
I remembered before we jumped into Vista from my previous company , we made sure that it would support all our apps as well as machine configuration .
This was very easy to do by having it installed on machine and we allowed everybody to make it crash under normal circumstances .
Good to say , we never made it crash under normal operating constraints and upgraded some of our machines to Vista , we stayed with XP though for the people that needed to use specific legacy apps that were developed to run on only XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what organization does not run a test machine or virtualization software before deploying an OS to mission critical machines?
I remembered before we jumped into Vista from my previous company, we made sure that it would support all our apps as well as machine configuration.
This was very easy to do by having it installed on machine and we allowed everybody to make it crash under normal circumstances.
Good to say, we never made it crash under normal operating constraints and upgraded some of our machines to Vista, we stayed with XP though for the people that needed to use specific legacy apps that were developed to run on only XP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933815</id>
	<title>breath-holding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>  microsoft  os  technology CWmike writes<br>"Users should wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs</p></div> </blockquote><p>Take this literally and you'd still be holding your grommets waiting for them to work out bugs in Win 3.11. Which bugs and how long?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>microsoft os technology CWmike writes " Users should wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs Take this literally and you 'd still be holding your grommets waiting for them to work out bugs in Win 3.11 .
Which bugs and how long ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  microsoft  os  technology CWmike writes"Users should wait for Microsoft to work out the bugs Take this literally and you'd still be holding your grommets waiting for them to work out bugs in Win 3.11.
Which bugs and how long?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29939011</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>dotgain</author>
	<datestamp>1257005460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>By your (un)logic, MS released the 2000th version of their operating system about a decade ago.  Porsche scrapped 910 different designs before setting on the immortal 911.  Sun Microsystems gave up development  of 5.11 in 1995 and started selling old copies from their archives, beginning with 2.6, then 2.7, before shocking the world and jumping all the way up to 8!</htmltext>
<tokenext>By your ( un ) logic , MS released the 2000th version of their operating system about a decade ago .
Porsche scrapped 910 different designs before setting on the immortal 911 .
Sun Microsystems gave up development of 5.11 in 1995 and started selling old copies from their archives , beginning with 2.6 , then 2.7 , before shocking the world and jumping all the way up to 8 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By your (un)logic, MS released the 2000th version of their operating system about a decade ago.
Porsche scrapped 910 different designs before setting on the immortal 911.
Sun Microsystems gave up development  of 5.11 in 1995 and started selling old copies from their archives, beginning with 2.6, then 2.7, before shocking the world and jumping all the way up to 8!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931337</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931679</id>
	<title>Re:Hell, I've gone back to Vista</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1256918040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it sounds as if MS is being proactive in protecting end users from remote exploits. I applaud this bold move to completely shut out the internet before it can hurt you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it sounds as if MS is being proactive in protecting end users from remote exploits .
I applaud this bold move to completely shut out the internet before it can hurt you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it sounds as if MS is being proactive in protecting end users from remote exploits.
I applaud this bold move to completely shut out the internet before it can hurt you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931297</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931811</id>
	<title>PR Stunt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256919300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. You mean I can get some free advertising by bad-mouthing Microsoft? Well. I never....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
You mean I can get some free advertising by bad-mouthing Microsoft ?
Well. I never... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
You mean I can get some free advertising by bad-mouthing Microsoft?
Well. I never....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930119</id>
	<title>I work for a software development company...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and we have seen a plethora of issues with people who have upgraded to Win 7. For example:</p><p>1.) SQL 2005 and SQL 2008 both have known compatibility issues. SQL 2005 will ALWAYS fail an upgrade to SP3 under Win 7 without a reg hack.<br>2.) We've had a ton of issues with other things like: Drive mappings, printer compatibility issues, memory leaks from Win 7 processes, just to name a few.</p><p>I agree with the FA to the point that if you have an intelligent IT dept who has the time and resources to debug and work these issues AND have a need or value added motivation to upgrade to Win 7 then you should do so, otherwise you should just let the "dust" settle and then migrate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and we have seen a plethora of issues with people who have upgraded to Win 7 .
For example : 1 .
) SQL 2005 and SQL 2008 both have known compatibility issues .
SQL 2005 will ALWAYS fail an upgrade to SP3 under Win 7 without a reg hack.2 .
) We 've had a ton of issues with other things like : Drive mappings , printer compatibility issues , memory leaks from Win 7 processes , just to name a few.I agree with the FA to the point that if you have an intelligent IT dept who has the time and resources to debug and work these issues AND have a need or value added motivation to upgrade to Win 7 then you should do so , otherwise you should just let the " dust " settle and then migrate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and we have seen a plethora of issues with people who have upgraded to Win 7.
For example:1.
) SQL 2005 and SQL 2008 both have known compatibility issues.
SQL 2005 will ALWAYS fail an upgrade to SP3 under Win 7 without a reg hack.2.
) We've had a ton of issues with other things like: Drive mappings, printer compatibility issues, memory leaks from Win 7 processes, just to name a few.I agree with the FA to the point that if you have an intelligent IT dept who has the time and resources to debug and work these issues AND have a need or value added motivation to upgrade to Win 7 then you should do so, otherwise you should just let the "dust" settle and then migrate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932139</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1256923320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what you are talking about. Windows 7 has a completely different theme to Vista. Well worth the extra money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what you are talking about .
Windows 7 has a completely different theme to Vista .
Well worth the extra money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what you are talking about.
Windows 7 has a completely different theme to Vista.
Well worth the extra money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29935931</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Briareos</author>
	<datestamp>1257016860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility, let alone 64-bit...</p></div><p> <a href="http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=1&amp;CatName=Sound+Blaster&amp;subCatID=208&amp;subCatName=X-Fi&amp;prodID=14066&amp;prodName=X-Fi+XtremeMusic&amp;bTopTwenty=1&amp;VARSET=prodfaq:PRODFAQ\_14066,VARSET=CategoryID:1" title="creative.com">Hello.</a> [creative.com]</p><p>You can say about Creative's products what you want, but not supporting the latest version of Windows upon release isn't one of the things that happen with them...</p><p><i>np: Mr. Scruff - Eardrops (Keep It Unreal (Disc 2))</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility , let alone 64-bit... Hello. [ creative.com ] You can say about Creative 's products what you want , but not supporting the latest version of Windows upon release is n't one of the things that happen with them...np : Mr. Scruff - Eardrops ( Keep It Unreal ( Disc 2 ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility, let alone 64-bit... Hello. [creative.com]You can say about Creative's products what you want, but not supporting the latest version of Windows upon release isn't one of the things that happen with them...np: Mr. Scruff - Eardrops (Keep It Unreal (Disc 2))
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937033</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>left00coaster</author>
	<datestamp>1256983260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, as a long-time user of both OSs, Mac OS products are rock-solid in comparison to Windows counterparts. You may argue that that's because Apple also controls the hardware side of the equation . . . but that's the whole point to paying a bit extra for the seamless, solid and ultimately satisfying experience that is Apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , as a long-time user of both OSs , Mac OS products are rock-solid in comparison to Windows counterparts .
You may argue that that 's because Apple also controls the hardware side of the equation .
. .
but that 's the whole point to paying a bit extra for the seamless , solid and ultimately satisfying experience that is Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, as a long-time user of both OSs, Mac OS products are rock-solid in comparison to Windows counterparts.
You may argue that that's because Apple also controls the hardware side of the equation .
. .
but that's the whole point to paying a bit extra for the seamless, solid and ultimately satisfying experience that is Apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931997</id>
	<title>Re:Hell, I've gone back to Vista</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1256921460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.............no idea what you're talking about.  I've used the beta, RC, and RTM and never had that happen, and I'm no wiz when it comes to firewalls.  Maybe Steve Ballmer just hates you?  Either that or you're either 1) incapable of using a computer without breaking it or 2) full of crap.......</htmltext>
<tokenext>.............no idea what you 're talking about .
I 've used the beta , RC , and RTM and never had that happen , and I 'm no wiz when it comes to firewalls .
Maybe Steve Ballmer just hates you ?
Either that or you 're either 1 ) incapable of using a computer without breaking it or 2 ) full of crap...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.............no idea what you're talking about.
I've used the beta, RC, and RTM and never had that happen, and I'm no wiz when it comes to firewalls.
Maybe Steve Ballmer just hates you?
Either that or you're either 1) incapable of using a computer without breaking it or 2) full of crap.......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29945518</id>
	<title>Walking Point for MS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257079500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see people who jump to adopt MS's initial version of their OSs a lot like put someone out front to walk point (in combat). I moved to WinXP, from Win2k after waiting two years. Actually, I only adopted XP after they ceased to update Win2k. I imagine I'll wait a year before going to Win7, as well. Win95 cured me of any illusions about MS's QA methods. I've wasted enough manhours and lost enough data to Windows OS to last me a lifetime. So, I adopt late and I don't pay $.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see people who jump to adopt MS 's initial version of their OSs a lot like put someone out front to walk point ( in combat ) .
I moved to WinXP , from Win2k after waiting two years .
Actually , I only adopted XP after they ceased to update Win2k .
I imagine I 'll wait a year before going to Win7 , as well .
Win95 cured me of any illusions about MS 's QA methods .
I 've wasted enough manhours and lost enough data to Windows OS to last me a lifetime .
So , I adopt late and I do n't pay $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see people who jump to adopt MS's initial version of their OSs a lot like put someone out front to walk point (in combat).
I moved to WinXP, from Win2k after waiting two years.
Actually, I only adopted XP after they ceased to update Win2k.
I imagine I'll wait a year before going to Win7, as well.
Win95 cured me of any illusions about MS's QA methods.
I've wasted enough manhours and lost enough data to Windows OS to last me a lifetime.
So, I adopt late and I don't pay $.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931445</id>
	<title>Re:They always say this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like it two service packs for XP to be declared stable, and about 4 for Windows NT 4.  So waiting for the next service pack might not be enough... can you make due with your ol' XP PC with 2 GB RAM, Direct X 9 video and 5400 RPM hard disk for another 2-3 years?  Assuming that the hardware holds out and it's not completely taken over by malware by then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like it two service packs for XP to be declared stable , and about 4 for Windows NT 4 .
So waiting for the next service pack might not be enough... can you make due with your ol ' XP PC with 2 GB RAM , Direct X 9 video and 5400 RPM hard disk for another 2-3 years ?
Assuming that the hardware holds out and it 's not completely taken over by malware by then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like it two service packs for XP to be declared stable, and about 4 for Windows NT 4.
So waiting for the next service pack might not be enough... can you make due with your ol' XP PC with 2 GB RAM, Direct X 9 video and 5400 RPM hard disk for another 2-3 years?
Assuming that the hardware holds out and it's not completely taken over by malware by then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930459</id>
	<title>What is Windows 7?</title>
	<author>lightrush</author>
	<datestamp>1256907000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is Windows 7?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is Windows 7 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is Windows 7?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933165</id>
	<title>r2k-in-the-vortex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>been using win7 for few months and must say it has been surprisingly problem free, wouldn't buy it but i have most microsoft software for free to use so there was nothing to hold me back from upgrading. it certainly is an improvement over old xp(skipped vista as it was piece of crap) if gaming wasnt an issue i would use linux  but i guess until they get far enough with wine development most home users will have to stick to windows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>been using win7 for few months and must say it has been surprisingly problem free , would n't buy it but i have most microsoft software for free to use so there was nothing to hold me back from upgrading .
it certainly is an improvement over old xp ( skipped vista as it was piece of crap ) if gaming wasnt an issue i would use linux but i guess until they get far enough with wine development most home users will have to stick to windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>been using win7 for few months and must say it has been surprisingly problem free, wouldn't buy it but i have most microsoft software for free to use so there was nothing to hold me back from upgrading.
it certainly is an improvement over old xp(skipped vista as it was piece of crap) if gaming wasnt an issue i would use linux  but i guess until they get far enough with wine development most home users will have to stick to windows</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932211</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>triceice</author>
	<datestamp>1256924460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been a Windows user since 3.11 and have seen all the highs and lows of Windows. I have also been a Apple user since the Apple II+. I also have supported both OSes for over 20 years. My comment about Windows 7 is simple. It's Vista fixed.</p><p>I have 5 computers in my house and not a single one used Vista as it's primary OS. I have one desktop that did dual boot to Vista and XP (had to since I have clients that had Vista) but I never used Vista. After my experience with Windows 7 Beta 2 and it crashed my pc and screwed up my dual boot causing me to have to do a format and reinstall to get XP back up I was ready to just skip it but...</p><p>I have had zero issues since I installed it on a POS for testing 4 weeks ago. I only had to load one driver and that was for an old AMD processor.</p><p>I think the fact that they did such a widely available beta allowed them to actually do a good job this time.</p><p>My recommendation: If you have Vista upgrade yesterday. If you have a PC bought in the last two years and have XP upgrade when you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been a Windows user since 3.11 and have seen all the highs and lows of Windows .
I have also been a Apple user since the Apple II + .
I also have supported both OSes for over 20 years .
My comment about Windows 7 is simple .
It 's Vista fixed.I have 5 computers in my house and not a single one used Vista as it 's primary OS .
I have one desktop that did dual boot to Vista and XP ( had to since I have clients that had Vista ) but I never used Vista .
After my experience with Windows 7 Beta 2 and it crashed my pc and screwed up my dual boot causing me to have to do a format and reinstall to get XP back up I was ready to just skip it but...I have had zero issues since I installed it on a POS for testing 4 weeks ago .
I only had to load one driver and that was for an old AMD processor.I think the fact that they did such a widely available beta allowed them to actually do a good job this time.My recommendation : If you have Vista upgrade yesterday .
If you have a PC bought in the last two years and have XP upgrade when you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been a Windows user since 3.11 and have seen all the highs and lows of Windows.
I have also been a Apple user since the Apple II+.
I also have supported both OSes for over 20 years.
My comment about Windows 7 is simple.
It's Vista fixed.I have 5 computers in my house and not a single one used Vista as it's primary OS.
I have one desktop that did dual boot to Vista and XP (had to since I have clients that had Vista) but I never used Vista.
After my experience with Windows 7 Beta 2 and it crashed my pc and screwed up my dual boot causing me to have to do a format and reinstall to get XP back up I was ready to just skip it but...I have had zero issues since I installed it on a POS for testing 4 weeks ago.
I only had to load one driver and that was for an old AMD processor.I think the fact that they did such a widely available beta allowed them to actually do a good job this time.My recommendation: If you have Vista upgrade yesterday.
If you have a PC bought in the last two years and have XP upgrade when you want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930681</id>
	<title>No no, we can't do that</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1256908560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If Windows 7 doesn't get a huge initial fanbase, who would do quality testing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Windows 7 does n't get a huge initial fanbase , who would do quality testing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If Windows 7 doesn't get a huge initial fanbase, who would do quality testing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930057</id>
	<title>But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having played with Windows 7 Build 7000 (public beta), Build 7100 (RC1) and the final version, Windows 7 is stable enough <i>as is</i> to not need to wait for a Service Pack 1. The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers, which will be coming over the next 4-5 months from hardware manufacturers that haven't gotten them available yet at the time of Windows 7's retail release.</p><p>When SP1 comes out (which I expect will arrive probably Summer 2010), I expect to be a "roll up" of the monthly security fixes plus additional driver support. This isn't like SP1 of Windows <i>Vista</i>, which had a <b>LOT</b> of bug fixes to correct a number of memory handling issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having played with Windows 7 Build 7000 ( public beta ) , Build 7100 ( RC1 ) and the final version , Windows 7 is stable enough as is to not need to wait for a Service Pack 1 .
The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers , which will be coming over the next 4-5 months from hardware manufacturers that have n't gotten them available yet at the time of Windows 7 's retail release.When SP1 comes out ( which I expect will arrive probably Summer 2010 ) , I expect to be a " roll up " of the monthly security fixes plus additional driver support .
This is n't like SP1 of Windows Vista , which had a LOT of bug fixes to correct a number of memory handling issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having played with Windows 7 Build 7000 (public beta), Build 7100 (RC1) and the final version, Windows 7 is stable enough as is to not need to wait for a Service Pack 1.
The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers, which will be coming over the next 4-5 months from hardware manufacturers that haven't gotten them available yet at the time of Windows 7's retail release.When SP1 comes out (which I expect will arrive probably Summer 2010), I expect to be a "roll up" of the monthly security fixes plus additional driver support.
This isn't like SP1 of Windows Vista, which had a LOT of bug fixes to correct a number of memory handling issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930479</id>
	<title>stability?</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1256907120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, unless you have an actual piece of hardware that is just flat-out incompatible, I don't think 'stability' is a reason to refuse to upgrade from XP or Vista to Windows 7. I used the beta for months on a laptop, and the only problems I had were waking up from sleep mode and from the screensaver kicking in. Once I swapped the beta out for the RC, I've had no problems at all except the fingerprint reader occasionally doesn't work, forcing me to type in the password to login. No biggie. For me, even the RC of Win7 has been more stable than XP SP3. YMMV, of course.</p><p>If you haven't upgraded the IE6 on your older Windows machine, stability is definitely not something you're worried about, so go for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , unless you have an actual piece of hardware that is just flat-out incompatible , I do n't think 'stability ' is a reason to refuse to upgrade from XP or Vista to Windows 7 .
I used the beta for months on a laptop , and the only problems I had were waking up from sleep mode and from the screensaver kicking in .
Once I swapped the beta out for the RC , I 've had no problems at all except the fingerprint reader occasionally does n't work , forcing me to type in the password to login .
No biggie .
For me , even the RC of Win7 has been more stable than XP SP3 .
YMMV , of course.If you have n't upgraded the IE6 on your older Windows machine , stability is definitely not something you 're worried about , so go for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, unless you have an actual piece of hardware that is just flat-out incompatible, I don't think 'stability' is a reason to refuse to upgrade from XP or Vista to Windows 7.
I used the beta for months on a laptop, and the only problems I had were waking up from sleep mode and from the screensaver kicking in.
Once I swapped the beta out for the RC, I've had no problems at all except the fingerprint reader occasionally doesn't work, forcing me to type in the password to login.
No biggie.
For me, even the RC of Win7 has been more stable than XP SP3.
YMMV, of course.If you haven't upgraded the IE6 on your older Windows machine, stability is definitely not something you're worried about, so go for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930465</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Dartz-IRL</author>
	<datestamp>1256907000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah,

It's the common thing. Of course, if everybody waited until something had been proved to be safe/possible, before going ahead and doing it, why would anyone ever do anything? We'd still be living in caves, using MS-DOS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , It 's the common thing .
Of course , if everybody waited until something had been proved to be safe/possible , before going ahead and doing it , why would anyone ever do anything ?
We 'd still be living in caves , using MS-DOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah,

It's the common thing.
Of course, if everybody waited until something had been proved to be safe/possible, before going ahead and doing it, why would anyone ever do anything?
We'd still be living in caves, using MS-DOS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930191</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially since it seems most of the complaints are centered around people trying an upgrade install from Vista. Ok well:</p><p>1) Don't. Seriously, upgrade installs on OSes are bad news over all. Can they work? Sure I know people who've done upgrades that have gone off without a hitch. I also know people who have hosed their system that way. Windows, Linux, all the same, a reinstall is the way to go.</p><p>2) This doesn't matter for new systems. They are shipping with a fresh OS. As such saying to wait on a new system because of this is silly.</p><p>3) Seriously, don't do a fucking upgrade install!</p><p>While this bug should be fixed, that doesn't mean you shouldn't get the OS if you want it. Also, what makes them think it'll be fixed in SP1? If it is something real difficult and/or rare they may just recommend a clean install and be done with it. The more time that passes, the less people will care about the upgrade process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially since it seems most of the complaints are centered around people trying an upgrade install from Vista .
Ok well : 1 ) Do n't .
Seriously , upgrade installs on OSes are bad news over all .
Can they work ?
Sure I know people who 've done upgrades that have gone off without a hitch .
I also know people who have hosed their system that way .
Windows , Linux , all the same , a reinstall is the way to go.2 ) This does n't matter for new systems .
They are shipping with a fresh OS .
As such saying to wait on a new system because of this is silly.3 ) Seriously , do n't do a fucking upgrade install ! While this bug should be fixed , that does n't mean you should n't get the OS if you want it .
Also , what makes them think it 'll be fixed in SP1 ?
If it is something real difficult and/or rare they may just recommend a clean install and be done with it .
The more time that passes , the less people will care about the upgrade process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially since it seems most of the complaints are centered around people trying an upgrade install from Vista.
Ok well:1) Don't.
Seriously, upgrade installs on OSes are bad news over all.
Can they work?
Sure I know people who've done upgrades that have gone off without a hitch.
I also know people who have hosed their system that way.
Windows, Linux, all the same, a reinstall is the way to go.2) This doesn't matter for new systems.
They are shipping with a fresh OS.
As such saying to wait on a new system because of this is silly.3) Seriously, don't do a fucking upgrade install!While this bug should be fixed, that doesn't mean you shouldn't get the OS if you want it.
Also, what makes them think it'll be fixed in SP1?
If it is something real difficult and/or rare they may just recommend a clean install and be done with it.
The more time that passes, the less people will care about the upgrade process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931165</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>AJWM</author>
	<datestamp>1256912700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 95, 98 and ME were, respectively, 4.0 (not to be confused with NT 4.0), 4.1 and 4.9.</p><p>Windows 2000, XP, and Server 2003 were based on NT and numbered NT 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2.</p><p>Windows Vista was NT 6.0.  Windows 7, though, is apparently NT 6.1, not 7.0 as the name suggests.</p><p>In other words, the Windows version names are decided by Microsoft's marketing department and have almost nothing to do with any real version numbering.   I'm just waiting for a couple of versions down the road where they try naming the release after Windows 9 as either "X Windows" or "Windows/X".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 95 , 98 and ME were , respectively , 4.0 ( not to be confused with NT 4.0 ) , 4.1 and 4.9.Windows 2000 , XP , and Server 2003 were based on NT and numbered NT 5.0 , 5.1 and 5.2.Windows Vista was NT 6.0 .
Windows 7 , though , is apparently NT 6.1 , not 7.0 as the name suggests.In other words , the Windows version names are decided by Microsoft 's marketing department and have almost nothing to do with any real version numbering .
I 'm just waiting for a couple of versions down the road where they try naming the release after Windows 9 as either " X Windows " or " Windows/X " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 95, 98 and ME were, respectively, 4.0 (not to be confused with NT 4.0), 4.1 and 4.9.Windows 2000, XP, and Server 2003 were based on NT and numbered NT 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2.Windows Vista was NT 6.0.
Windows 7, though, is apparently NT 6.1, not 7.0 as the name suggests.In other words, the Windows version names are decided by Microsoft's marketing department and have almost nothing to do with any real version numbering.
I'm just waiting for a couple of versions down the road where they try naming the release after Windows 9 as either "X Windows" or "Windows/X".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931465</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>DarkVader</author>
	<datestamp>1256916000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I just did a Mac OS X Server 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade install last weekend.</p><p>Absolutely flawless, no problems at all.  And that's the server version.  The upgrade on 25 user machines went just as well.</p><p>While I wouldn't recommend a windoze "upgrade" install ever, I can say that Apple got this one right.</p><p>(And yes, I did a disk image of the server first, just in case.  I'm not crazy.)</p><p>Hmm...  Now that I think about it, I upgraded my Linux laptop from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 beta last week too.  Also flawless.</p><p>So really, the recommendation is never upgrade install a M$ operating system.  But then, can it ever really be an upgrade when you're talking about M$?  Of course not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I just did a Mac OS X Server 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade install last weekend.Absolutely flawless , no problems at all .
And that 's the server version .
The upgrade on 25 user machines went just as well.While I would n't recommend a windoze " upgrade " install ever , I can say that Apple got this one right .
( And yes , I did a disk image of the server first , just in case .
I 'm not crazy. ) Hmm.. .
Now that I think about it , I upgraded my Linux laptop from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 beta last week too .
Also flawless.So really , the recommendation is never upgrade install a M $ operating system .
But then , can it ever really be an upgrade when you 're talking about M $ ?
Of course not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I just did a Mac OS X Server 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade install last weekend.Absolutely flawless, no problems at all.
And that's the server version.
The upgrade on 25 user machines went just as well.While I wouldn't recommend a windoze "upgrade" install ever, I can say that Apple got this one right.
(And yes, I did a disk image of the server first, just in case.
I'm not crazy.)Hmm...
Now that I think about it, I upgraded my Linux laptop from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 beta last week too.
Also flawless.So really, the recommendation is never upgrade install a M$ operating system.
But then, can it ever really be an upgrade when you're talking about M$?
Of course not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29940847</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>GigaplexNZ</author>
	<datestamp>1257080820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The main reason support firms recommend holding off is because they need time to play with it themselves before they are prepared to commit to supporting it. Apparently they don't follow Microsofts advice to start preparing early by using the betas and release candidates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main reason support firms recommend holding off is because they need time to play with it themselves before they are prepared to commit to supporting it .
Apparently they do n't follow Microsofts advice to start preparing early by using the betas and release candidates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main reason support firms recommend holding off is because they need time to play with it themselves before they are prepared to commit to supporting it.
Apparently they don't follow Microsofts advice to start preparing early by using the betas and release candidates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931701</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu 9.10</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1256918220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The new Ubuntu version just came out.  I upgraded right away and things are fine.</p></div><p>I always wait 6 months after a Ubuntu version is released before installing it. That way I know most of the bugs are ironed out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The new Ubuntu version just came out .
I upgraded right away and things are fine.I always wait 6 months after a Ubuntu version is released before installing it .
That way I know most of the bugs are ironed out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new Ubuntu version just came out.
I upgraded right away and things are fine.I always wait 6 months after a Ubuntu version is released before installing it.
That way I know most of the bugs are ironed out.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930903</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>MtViewGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1256910240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usually, if I have to do a major OS upgrade, I just back up user data, then erase the drive and do a completely fresh install. That way, it is essentially a <i>new</i> installation without having to deal with the legacy code from a previous OS installation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually , if I have to do a major OS upgrade , I just back up user data , then erase the drive and do a completely fresh install .
That way , it is essentially a new installation without having to deal with the legacy code from a previous OS installation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually, if I have to do a major OS upgrade, I just back up user data, then erase the drive and do a completely fresh install.
That way, it is essentially a new installation without having to deal with the legacy code from a previous OS installation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933217</id>
	<title>Re:Smells like FUD...</title>
	<author>Vlad\_the\_Inhaler</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine wants to buy her very first PC.<br>She wants it to be running Windows (+ Word, Excel) because that is what she uses at work.  I am giving her tech support to try and make sure she gets what she wants - questioning if that is really what she wants because it will cost xxx more.<br>I assume that they are running XP at work (she does not know), the place I am pointing her at offers XP for 100  more than (up until a week ago) Vista.<br><b>Of course</b> I am pushing her to get the PC with Win 7.  XP's security model (default user has Admin rights) would be a disaster for her and XP is approaching end-of-life anyway, all that for $150 more.  No way am I going to point her at Vista.  A teenage relative of hers has Vista and has made it clear what she thinks of it.</p><p>The situation is unusual - how many adults of her age have never owned a computer? - but having finally ruled Mac OS out there is no reasonable alternative.</p><p>I have 3 machines here which run XP (Laptop + 1 for redundancy) and will not be upgrading, 2 of them normally dual-boot into Linux anyway and I have no need for an OS which<br>- costs quite a bit more<br>- requires a fresh install<br>- imposes higher requirements on the hardware than XP</p><p>My laptop claims to be 'Ready for Vista' (it predates Vista by a few weeks) so hw requirements should be moot there.  I even have access to one cheap upgrade license but I really cannot be bothered reinstalling everything from scratch - even though I could then get used to the way things are going to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine wants to buy her very first PC.She wants it to be running Windows ( + Word , Excel ) because that is what she uses at work .
I am giving her tech support to try and make sure she gets what she wants - questioning if that is really what she wants because it will cost xxx more.I assume that they are running XP at work ( she does not know ) , the place I am pointing her at offers XP for 100 more than ( up until a week ago ) Vista.Of course I am pushing her to get the PC with Win 7 .
XP 's security model ( default user has Admin rights ) would be a disaster for her and XP is approaching end-of-life anyway , all that for $ 150 more .
No way am I going to point her at Vista .
A teenage relative of hers has Vista and has made it clear what she thinks of it.The situation is unusual - how many adults of her age have never owned a computer ?
- but having finally ruled Mac OS out there is no reasonable alternative.I have 3 machines here which run XP ( Laptop + 1 for redundancy ) and will not be upgrading , 2 of them normally dual-boot into Linux anyway and I have no need for an OS which- costs quite a bit more- requires a fresh install- imposes higher requirements on the hardware than XPMy laptop claims to be 'Ready for Vista ' ( it predates Vista by a few weeks ) so hw requirements should be moot there .
I even have access to one cheap upgrade license but I really can not be bothered reinstalling everything from scratch - even though I could then get used to the way things are going to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine wants to buy her very first PC.She wants it to be running Windows (+ Word, Excel) because that is what she uses at work.
I am giving her tech support to try and make sure she gets what she wants - questioning if that is really what she wants because it will cost xxx more.I assume that they are running XP at work (she does not know), the place I am pointing her at offers XP for 100  more than (up until a week ago) Vista.Of course I am pushing her to get the PC with Win 7.
XP's security model (default user has Admin rights) would be a disaster for her and XP is approaching end-of-life anyway, all that for $150 more.
No way am I going to point her at Vista.
A teenage relative of hers has Vista and has made it clear what she thinks of it.The situation is unusual - how many adults of her age have never owned a computer?
- but having finally ruled Mac OS out there is no reasonable alternative.I have 3 machines here which run XP (Laptop + 1 for redundancy) and will not be upgrading, 2 of them normally dual-boot into Linux anyway and I have no need for an OS which- costs quite a bit more- requires a fresh install- imposes higher requirements on the hardware than XPMy laptop claims to be 'Ready for Vista' (it predates Vista by a few weeks) so hw requirements should be moot there.
I even have access to one cheap upgrade license but I really cannot be bothered reinstalling everything from scratch - even though I could then get used to the way things are going to go.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29935619</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257014220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*shrug*</p><p>The X-Fi (an OEM model, SB0770) I have has worked just fine with 32-bit Vista, 64-bit Vista, and now 64-bit 7, including the bells and whistles.</p><p>A quick search says the going rate for this card is about $40, which is just slightly more than what I see the Xtreme Sound 7.1 selling for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* shrug * The X-Fi ( an OEM model , SB0770 ) I have has worked just fine with 32-bit Vista , 64-bit Vista , and now 64-bit 7 , including the bells and whistles.A quick search says the going rate for this card is about $ 40 , which is just slightly more than what I see the Xtreme Sound 7.1 selling for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*shrug*The X-Fi (an OEM model, SB0770) I have has worked just fine with 32-bit Vista, 64-bit Vista, and now 64-bit 7, including the bells and whistles.A quick search says the going rate for this card is about $40, which is just slightly more than what I see the Xtreme Sound 7.1 selling for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931097</id>
	<title>time-tested OS</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1256911920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>that would be Slackware. and i am sticking to it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that would be Slackware .
and i am sticking to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that would be Slackware.
and i am sticking to it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931013</id>
	<title>A different tactics, eh?</title>
	<author>LanceUppercut</author>
	<datestamp>1256911020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to admit: the black-PR attack on Windows Vista was orchestrated perfectly. It's that perfection that makes is worth being included into the annals of the history of unscrupulous PR. Numerous well paid off "honest and professional" bloggers, thousands of "concerned citizens" registering tens of thousands of IDs on various Internet forums, tirelessly reporting piles of insurmountable "problems" with Vista... And, of course, millions of lemmings that believed the BS, took it, swallowed it, ran with it and eventually overwhelmed Microsoft's ability to withstand the attack. Perfect. I don't know who I should blame at Microsoft, but how they didn't see that coming I just can't understand. Someone at MS was literally asleep at the wheel.

Now, the situation is different. Firstly, the very lemmings who believed that Vista was somehow flawed, now are happily using it, while understanding, if only subconsciously, that they were BS-ed by a well-paid-for black-PR campaign. Secondly, with Windows 7, Microsoft is much wiser. The Microsoft's own PR department did a very good job this time to make the new Windows a hit long before it became available. Bashing it into the ground is going to be quite a challenge. There's not even a slightest doubt that the very same people who were paid to bash Vista last time are paid even better this time to do the job on Windows 7. But apparently, this time they just missed the right moment, and just can't gain enough momentum to get the ball rolling.

And now we even know a name of one of these outfits. "Rescuecom" they say. I wonder how many other similar outfits that "Josh Kaplan" is a president of were/are out there and what other services they offer. Although this one doesn't appear to be a top dog, since this specific attempt ("just wait a bit", "risky", "tough economic times") is rather lame and pathetic. Let's wait for the more creative ones to pop up. And they should be very creative to succeed this time, so it is going to be a very interesting battle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to admit : the black-PR attack on Windows Vista was orchestrated perfectly .
It 's that perfection that makes is worth being included into the annals of the history of unscrupulous PR .
Numerous well paid off " honest and professional " bloggers , thousands of " concerned citizens " registering tens of thousands of IDs on various Internet forums , tirelessly reporting piles of insurmountable " problems " with Vista... And , of course , millions of lemmings that believed the BS , took it , swallowed it , ran with it and eventually overwhelmed Microsoft 's ability to withstand the attack .
Perfect. I do n't know who I should blame at Microsoft , but how they did n't see that coming I just ca n't understand .
Someone at MS was literally asleep at the wheel .
Now , the situation is different .
Firstly , the very lemmings who believed that Vista was somehow flawed , now are happily using it , while understanding , if only subconsciously , that they were BS-ed by a well-paid-for black-PR campaign .
Secondly , with Windows 7 , Microsoft is much wiser .
The Microsoft 's own PR department did a very good job this time to make the new Windows a hit long before it became available .
Bashing it into the ground is going to be quite a challenge .
There 's not even a slightest doubt that the very same people who were paid to bash Vista last time are paid even better this time to do the job on Windows 7 .
But apparently , this time they just missed the right moment , and just ca n't gain enough momentum to get the ball rolling .
And now we even know a name of one of these outfits .
" Rescuecom " they say .
I wonder how many other similar outfits that " Josh Kaplan " is a president of were/are out there and what other services they offer .
Although this one does n't appear to be a top dog , since this specific attempt ( " just wait a bit " , " risky " , " tough economic times " ) is rather lame and pathetic .
Let 's wait for the more creative ones to pop up .
And they should be very creative to succeed this time , so it is going to be a very interesting battle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to admit: the black-PR attack on Windows Vista was orchestrated perfectly.
It's that perfection that makes is worth being included into the annals of the history of unscrupulous PR.
Numerous well paid off "honest and professional" bloggers, thousands of "concerned citizens" registering tens of thousands of IDs on various Internet forums, tirelessly reporting piles of insurmountable "problems" with Vista... And, of course, millions of lemmings that believed the BS, took it, swallowed it, ran with it and eventually overwhelmed Microsoft's ability to withstand the attack.
Perfect. I don't know who I should blame at Microsoft, but how they didn't see that coming I just can't understand.
Someone at MS was literally asleep at the wheel.
Now, the situation is different.
Firstly, the very lemmings who believed that Vista was somehow flawed, now are happily using it, while understanding, if only subconsciously, that they were BS-ed by a well-paid-for black-PR campaign.
Secondly, with Windows 7, Microsoft is much wiser.
The Microsoft's own PR department did a very good job this time to make the new Windows a hit long before it became available.
Bashing it into the ground is going to be quite a challenge.
There's not even a slightest doubt that the very same people who were paid to bash Vista last time are paid even better this time to do the job on Windows 7.
But apparently, this time they just missed the right moment, and just can't gain enough momentum to get the ball rolling.
And now we even know a name of one of these outfits.
"Rescuecom" they say.
I wonder how many other similar outfits that "Josh Kaplan" is a president of were/are out there and what other services they offer.
Although this one doesn't appear to be a top dog, since this specific attempt ("just wait a bit", "risky", "tough economic times") is rather lame and pathetic.
Let's wait for the more creative ones to pop up.
And they should be very creative to succeed this time, so it is going to be a very interesting battle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930393</id>
	<title>Windows 7 SP1?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 is already Vista SP1.5...they haven't really added all that much to Vista to get 7. Why wait? Why not wait for Windows XVI, then...or just switch to OS X or Linux, if you're going to be that cynical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is already Vista SP1.5...they have n't really added all that much to Vista to get 7 .
Why wait ?
Why not wait for Windows XVI , then...or just switch to OS X or Linux , if you 're going to be that cynical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is already Vista SP1.5...they haven't really added all that much to Vista to get 7.
Why wait?
Why not wait for Windows XVI, then...or just switch to OS X or Linux, if you're going to be that cynical.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937431</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>afaik\_ianal</author>
	<datestamp>1256987640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, actually.  Attending a polling place is compulsory; voting isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , actually .
Attending a polling place is compulsory ; voting is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, actually.
Attending a polling place is compulsory; voting isn't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931353</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>thejynxed</author>
	<datestamp>1256914800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easiest way to prevent an in-place Windows upgrade operation from going badly:</p><p>Make sure the system is disconnected from the network.</p><p>Disable -all- unnecessary services, and stop them, including Networking services. Volume Shadow Copy or similar related service should be left Enabled and set to Manual. Important when doing an in-place upgrade to Vista or Win7, as they install their components from inside *images*, and not the older-style binary/compressed file duality that Windows has used at least since 3.11 for Workgroups.</p><p>Uninstall -all- drivers for hardware that is extraneous to the upgrade (Printer, Wireless Device, Network Card, 3rd-Party video card drivers such as Omega or NGO, all non-native Mouse drivers).</p><p>Uninstall -all- AV and Firewall software that isn't native to the OS.</p><p>Uninstall -all- 3rd-party software that makes kernel hooks or replaces default Windows system files with their own versions. Patched Uxtheme.dll files, extra MSS styles, etc. Font packs also.</p><p>Make sure you have your backups ready to go.</p><p>Run the upgrade install.</p><p>Go through the normal Windows system setup nonsense, check running services, restore your backed up data, programs, and device drivers. Reboot when necessary.</p><p>Reconnect to the network after your Firewall and AV software is setup again.</p><p>Install any updates it pulls down, reboot as necessary.</p><p>Run it for a few days without installing anything new. Create an image of the OS drive for future use if nothing goes funky.</p><p>Enjoy your new OS as normal.</p><p>I've done it several times before and it's worked every time. I don't know where some people have gone to school, but where I went, we were taught this in *basic* PC Repair classes. It was also taught this way in several Windows Internals and Windows Backdoor manuals. It's not a short process, no, but it has a rather high success rate.</p><p>I mean I've read the horror stories. In most that I've come across, the author either forgot to do one of the above steps (or didn't know about some of them) or got lazy and thought they could just skip all the steps they wanted and be just fine, and then reaped the dubious rewards for doing so.</p><p>It's insane that the world has gone this long with using Windows, MacOS, Linux, Unix, etc and still manage to screw up everything possible on their computers. Computers that they use -!every single day!-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easiest way to prevent an in-place Windows upgrade operation from going badly : Make sure the system is disconnected from the network.Disable -all- unnecessary services , and stop them , including Networking services .
Volume Shadow Copy or similar related service should be left Enabled and set to Manual .
Important when doing an in-place upgrade to Vista or Win7 , as they install their components from inside * images * , and not the older-style binary/compressed file duality that Windows has used at least since 3.11 for Workgroups.Uninstall -all- drivers for hardware that is extraneous to the upgrade ( Printer , Wireless Device , Network Card , 3rd-Party video card drivers such as Omega or NGO , all non-native Mouse drivers ) .Uninstall -all- AV and Firewall software that is n't native to the OS.Uninstall -all- 3rd-party software that makes kernel hooks or replaces default Windows system files with their own versions .
Patched Uxtheme.dll files , extra MSS styles , etc .
Font packs also.Make sure you have your backups ready to go.Run the upgrade install.Go through the normal Windows system setup nonsense , check running services , restore your backed up data , programs , and device drivers .
Reboot when necessary.Reconnect to the network after your Firewall and AV software is setup again.Install any updates it pulls down , reboot as necessary.Run it for a few days without installing anything new .
Create an image of the OS drive for future use if nothing goes funky.Enjoy your new OS as normal.I 've done it several times before and it 's worked every time .
I do n't know where some people have gone to school , but where I went , we were taught this in * basic * PC Repair classes .
It was also taught this way in several Windows Internals and Windows Backdoor manuals .
It 's not a short process , no , but it has a rather high success rate.I mean I 've read the horror stories .
In most that I 've come across , the author either forgot to do one of the above steps ( or did n't know about some of them ) or got lazy and thought they could just skip all the steps they wanted and be just fine , and then reaped the dubious rewards for doing so.It 's insane that the world has gone this long with using Windows , MacOS , Linux , Unix , etc and still manage to screw up everything possible on their computers .
Computers that they use - ! every single day ! -</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easiest way to prevent an in-place Windows upgrade operation from going badly:Make sure the system is disconnected from the network.Disable -all- unnecessary services, and stop them, including Networking services.
Volume Shadow Copy or similar related service should be left Enabled and set to Manual.
Important when doing an in-place upgrade to Vista or Win7, as they install their components from inside *images*, and not the older-style binary/compressed file duality that Windows has used at least since 3.11 for Workgroups.Uninstall -all- drivers for hardware that is extraneous to the upgrade (Printer, Wireless Device, Network Card, 3rd-Party video card drivers such as Omega or NGO, all non-native Mouse drivers).Uninstall -all- AV and Firewall software that isn't native to the OS.Uninstall -all- 3rd-party software that makes kernel hooks or replaces default Windows system files with their own versions.
Patched Uxtheme.dll files, extra MSS styles, etc.
Font packs also.Make sure you have your backups ready to go.Run the upgrade install.Go through the normal Windows system setup nonsense, check running services, restore your backed up data, programs, and device drivers.
Reboot when necessary.Reconnect to the network after your Firewall and AV software is setup again.Install any updates it pulls down, reboot as necessary.Run it for a few days without installing anything new.
Create an image of the OS drive for future use if nothing goes funky.Enjoy your new OS as normal.I've done it several times before and it's worked every time.
I don't know where some people have gone to school, but where I went, we were taught this in *basic* PC Repair classes.
It was also taught this way in several Windows Internals and Windows Backdoor manuals.
It's not a short process, no, but it has a rather high success rate.I mean I've read the horror stories.
In most that I've come across, the author either forgot to do one of the above steps (or didn't know about some of them) or got lazy and thought they could just skip all the steps they wanted and be just fine, and then reaped the dubious rewards for doing so.It's insane that the world has gone this long with using Windows, MacOS, Linux, Unix, etc and still manage to screw up everything possible on their computers.
Computers that they use -!every single day!-</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931261</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Phoobarnvaz</author>
	<datestamp>1256913780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even Microsoft was telling users NOT to upgrade during the beta/RC run. <br> <br>Do a full install no matter what. Anything but a full install from partitioning to installation is a disaster waiting to happen...no matter what version of Windows you are running. Saving time and money doing something futile is not saving either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Microsoft was telling users NOT to upgrade during the beta/RC run .
Do a full install no matter what .
Anything but a full install from partitioning to installation is a disaster waiting to happen...no matter what version of Windows you are running .
Saving time and money doing something futile is not saving either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even Microsoft was telling users NOT to upgrade during the beta/RC run.
Do a full install no matter what.
Anything but a full install from partitioning to installation is a disaster waiting to happen...no matter what version of Windows you are running.
Saving time and money doing something futile is not saving either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932369</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256926980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dual core? My old P4 with 1.25 GB RAM runs it just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dual core ?
My old P4 with 1.25 GB RAM runs it just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dual core?
My old P4 with 1.25 GB RAM runs it just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932355</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256926860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fuck it, we're waiting for Windows 8.</p></div><p>Windows 8 SP1 for sure, which also means Windows 9.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck it , we 're waiting for Windows 8.Windows 8 SP1 for sure , which also means Windows 9 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck it, we're waiting for Windows 8.Windows 8 SP1 for sure, which also means Windows 9.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.30020914</id>
	<title>symbolset, get a clue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257689760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who should listen to you when you got spanked by an ac here today right here <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29980114" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29980114</a> [slashdot.org] , and here <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29979500" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29979500</a> [slashdot.org] , twice in a row? You're obviously no expert and anyone can take a read in those links, the second one mostly, and at how badly you messed up on your comments on a se windows moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who should listen to you when you got spanked by an ac here today right here http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1429510&amp;cid = 29980114 [ slashdot.org ] , and here http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1429510&amp;cid = 29979500 [ slashdot.org ] , twice in a row ?
You 're obviously no expert and anyone can take a read in those links , the second one mostly , and at how badly you messed up on your comments on a se windows moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who should listen to you when you got spanked by an ac here today right here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29980114 [slashdot.org] , and here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1429510&amp;cid=29979500 [slashdot.org] , twice in a row?
You're obviously no expert and anyone can take a read in those links, the second one mostly, and at how badly you messed up on your comments on a se windows moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937455</id>
	<title>Re:Smells like FUD...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is EXACTLY FUD....</p><p>Rescuecom is a joke, and imo - they are just looking for publicity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is EXACTLY FUD....Rescuecom is a joke , and imo - they are just looking for publicity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is EXACTLY FUD....Rescuecom is a joke, and imo - they are just looking for publicity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29934907</id>
	<title>Penny Arcade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/30/" title="penny-arcade.com" rel="nofollow">summed it up wonderfully</a> [penny-arcade.com].</p><p>I half wonder if Vista was just a sneaky plan to make anything else look good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have summed it up wonderfully [ penny-arcade.com ] .I half wonder if Vista was just a sneaky plan to make anything else look good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have summed it up wonderfully [penny-arcade.com].I half wonder if Vista was just a sneaky plan to make anything else look good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931839</id>
	<title>Flaws on the Microsoft support forum link</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1256919540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>#1. Most people in the Support forum link in the article complain about upgrading from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home Premium. I done in-line upgrade from Vista Business to 7 Professional without any problems. And that is including software such as Roxio, SAS, SPSS, Matlab, Symantec Endpoint Protection, Acrobat 8 and Comodo Firewall Pro.</p><p>#2. If you scroll all the way down, a majority of the machines reported are Dell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># 1 .
Most people in the Support forum link in the article complain about upgrading from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home Premium .
I done in-line upgrade from Vista Business to 7 Professional without any problems .
And that is including software such as Roxio , SAS , SPSS , Matlab , Symantec Endpoint Protection , Acrobat 8 and Comodo Firewall Pro. # 2 .
If you scroll all the way down , a majority of the machines reported are Dell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#1.
Most people in the Support forum link in the article complain about upgrading from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home Premium.
I done in-line upgrade from Vista Business to 7 Professional without any problems.
And that is including software such as Roxio, SAS, SPSS, Matlab, Symantec Endpoint Protection, Acrobat 8 and Comodo Firewall Pro.#2.
If you scroll all the way down, a majority of the machines reported are Dell.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29936451</id>
	<title>My experience has bveen good on Windows 7. thusfar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Windows 7 64-bit over my old Windows Server 2003 setup, &amp;, it has worked just FINE for me, &amp; for around a bit more than a week now (I got it early via MSDN, earlier than most folks @ least).</p><p>Windows 7's install even backed up the entire OLD setup (\%Program Files\%, My Documents, &amp; \%Windir\% + more), perfectly, to a "Windows.old" folder/tree on C:\ drive).</p><p>I only had 2 boards NOT be recognized!</p><p>----</p><p>1.) A modem. It is an old 56k US Robotics modem, &amp; it's not due to drivers really either (i.e.-&gt; Modems now use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.inf files to communicate with the std. Windows driver for I/O to modem interfaces is why I state that, &amp; the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.inf is merely "formatting for output of communcations data" for lack of a better expression here, afaik &amp; understand this part of it + that I can find, odds are, @ USRobotics (if they are still around, that is, I am not sure here) &amp; I only use modems as "fax machiens" nowadays really, &amp;, rare that too (me actually FAXING that is))</p><p>&amp;</p><p>2.) A CENATEK "RocketDrive" 2gb PC-133 Solid-State disk... &amp; I don't know, or, I cannot seem to find CENATEK online anymore, to get a new Windows 7 capable driver is all!</p><p>----</p><p>(No biggie here either, as to finding a driver for it for Windows 7, because I have a GIGABYTE IRAM too, &amp; that is what I am putting my pagefile.sys, \%temp\%/\%tmp\%, webbrowser caches, &amp; print spooler + cmd.exe (\%comspec\% interpreter) as well as logging files (think EventViewer from system, other logs from apps too), so they gain via speed of the lower latency, on Windows 7... (Plus, smallish files (mostly except pagefile.sys placement here) on access do EXTREMELY well on SSD's anyhow (and nothing I put there needs absolute "state" based permanence, not really, even though both SSD's I own have their own powersupply backed by a UPS, or they have their own lithium ion battery onboard to "save &amp; maintain 'state'" of the data))</p><p>So = other than that? Windows 7's installer picked up on EVERYTHING, just fine (&amp; I had to install NVidia's 191.07 latest graphics drivers vs. the OEM ones from MS is all, just so I could get OpenGL games from IDSoftware running right - which, it does, unlike VISTA from what I understood, @ least, from a pal of mine who had it &amp; couldn't get VISTA to play IDSoftware's Quake 4, which I like too, but I don't think he tried the icd from NVidia's own drivers @ least on VISTA &amp; he may have 'screwed up' on that note is all...)</p><p>So, mostly for me?</p><p>It's been GREAT so far (with 2 reservations in my "p.s." below though)</p><p>Windows 7 has been impressively F A S T also...</p><p>Especially considering it is running a TRUCKLOAD more services than Windows Server 2003 ever did (it has many that older OS did not &amp; that was the previous OS to it I am using, since it is the codebase, specifically, from which VISTA onwards are built up from (it's got a LOT of what they do, but it lacks ASRL, &amp; "protected mode" in IE, afaik only). I trimmed it down another 20 services or so (i.e./e.g.-&gt; I don't need the HomeGroup networking stuff or Server service running for example, as I do not publish shared disks/folders publicly (nor do I want to, for security's sake))</p><p>I had to set it up 4-5 times beause:</p><p>----</p><p>A.) Until I go the services trimmings right (for speed), &amp; learning then for security, + also learning WHICH<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.reg files for speed up &amp; security still work, or did not, from Windows Server 2003... not all do, especially DCOM/COM oriented ones!</p><p>B.) Also, my Windows7 system is now also 'security-hardened', via IP Security Policies, secpol.msc &amp; gpedit.msc usage, + SCW (security configuration wizard too you have to install manually))...</p><p>----</p><p>Still - No "huge biggie" that either, on either account A &amp; B, above... on the screwups I had to get it right security &amp; speed wise! Just took me a day to go thru all the permutations of possibles on the</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Windows 7 64-bit over my old Windows Server 2003 setup , &amp; , it has worked just FINE for me , &amp; for around a bit more than a week now ( I got it early via MSDN , earlier than most folks @ least ) .Windows 7 's install even backed up the entire OLD setup ( \ % Program Files \ % , My Documents , &amp; \ % Windir \ % + more ) , perfectly , to a " Windows.old " folder/tree on C : \ drive ) .I only had 2 boards NOT be recognized ! ----1 .
) A modem .
It is an old 56k US Robotics modem , &amp; it 's not due to drivers really either ( i.e.- &gt; Modems now use .inf files to communicate with the std .
Windows driver for I/O to modem interfaces is why I state that , &amp; the .inf is merely " formatting for output of communcations data " for lack of a better expression here , afaik &amp; understand this part of it + that I can find , odds are , @ USRobotics ( if they are still around , that is , I am not sure here ) &amp; I only use modems as " fax machiens " nowadays really , &amp; , rare that too ( me actually FAXING that is ) ) &amp;2 .
) A CENATEK " RocketDrive " 2gb PC-133 Solid-State disk... &amp; I do n't know , or , I can not seem to find CENATEK online anymore , to get a new Windows 7 capable driver is all ! ---- ( No biggie here either , as to finding a driver for it for Windows 7 , because I have a GIGABYTE IRAM too , &amp; that is what I am putting my pagefile.sys , \ % temp \ % / \ % tmp \ % , webbrowser caches , &amp; print spooler + cmd.exe ( \ % comspec \ % interpreter ) as well as logging files ( think EventViewer from system , other logs from apps too ) , so they gain via speed of the lower latency , on Windows 7... ( Plus , smallish files ( mostly except pagefile.sys placement here ) on access do EXTREMELY well on SSD 's anyhow ( and nothing I put there needs absolute " state " based permanence , not really , even though both SSD 's I own have their own powersupply backed by a UPS , or they have their own lithium ion battery onboard to " save &amp; maintain 'state ' " of the data ) ) So = other than that ?
Windows 7 's installer picked up on EVERYTHING , just fine ( &amp; I had to install NVidia 's 191.07 latest graphics drivers vs. the OEM ones from MS is all , just so I could get OpenGL games from IDSoftware running right - which , it does , unlike VISTA from what I understood , @ least , from a pal of mine who had it &amp; could n't get VISTA to play IDSoftware 's Quake 4 , which I like too , but I do n't think he tried the icd from NVidia 's own drivers @ least on VISTA &amp; he may have 'screwed up ' on that note is all... ) So , mostly for me ? It 's been GREAT so far ( with 2 reservations in my " p.s .
" below though ) Windows 7 has been impressively F A S T also...Especially considering it is running a TRUCKLOAD more services than Windows Server 2003 ever did ( it has many that older OS did not &amp; that was the previous OS to it I am using , since it is the codebase , specifically , from which VISTA onwards are built up from ( it 's got a LOT of what they do , but it lacks ASRL , &amp; " protected mode " in IE , afaik only ) .
I trimmed it down another 20 services or so ( i.e./e.g.- &gt; I do n't need the HomeGroup networking stuff or Server service running for example , as I do not publish shared disks/folders publicly ( nor do I want to , for security 's sake ) ) I had to set it up 4-5 times beause : ----A .
) Until I go the services trimmings right ( for speed ) , &amp; learning then for security , + also learning WHICH .reg files for speed up &amp; security still work , or did not , from Windows Server 2003... not all do , especially DCOM/COM oriented ones ! B .
) Also , my Windows7 system is now also 'security-hardened ' , via IP Security Policies , secpol.msc &amp; gpedit.msc usage , + SCW ( security configuration wizard too you have to install manually ) ) ...----Still - No " huge biggie " that either , on either account A &amp; B , above... on the screwups I had to get it right security &amp; speed wise !
Just took me a day to go thru all the permutations of possibles on the</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Windows 7 64-bit over my old Windows Server 2003 setup, &amp;, it has worked just FINE for me, &amp; for around a bit more than a week now (I got it early via MSDN, earlier than most folks @ least).Windows 7's install even backed up the entire OLD setup (\%Program Files\%, My Documents, &amp; \%Windir\% + more), perfectly, to a "Windows.old" folder/tree on C:\ drive).I only had 2 boards NOT be recognized!----1.
) A modem.
It is an old 56k US Robotics modem, &amp; it's not due to drivers really either (i.e.-&gt; Modems now use .inf files to communicate with the std.
Windows driver for I/O to modem interfaces is why I state that, &amp; the .inf is merely "formatting for output of communcations data" for lack of a better expression here, afaik &amp; understand this part of it + that I can find, odds are, @ USRobotics (if they are still around, that is, I am not sure here) &amp; I only use modems as "fax machiens" nowadays really, &amp;, rare that too (me actually FAXING that is))&amp;2.
) A CENATEK "RocketDrive" 2gb PC-133 Solid-State disk... &amp; I don't know, or, I cannot seem to find CENATEK online anymore, to get a new Windows 7 capable driver is all!----(No biggie here either, as to finding a driver for it for Windows 7, because I have a GIGABYTE IRAM too, &amp; that is what I am putting my pagefile.sys, \%temp\%/\%tmp\%, webbrowser caches, &amp; print spooler + cmd.exe (\%comspec\% interpreter) as well as logging files (think EventViewer from system, other logs from apps too), so they gain via speed of the lower latency, on Windows 7... (Plus, smallish files (mostly except pagefile.sys placement here) on access do EXTREMELY well on SSD's anyhow (and nothing I put there needs absolute "state" based permanence, not really, even though both SSD's I own have their own powersupply backed by a UPS, or they have their own lithium ion battery onboard to "save &amp; maintain 'state'" of the data))So = other than that?
Windows 7's installer picked up on EVERYTHING, just fine (&amp; I had to install NVidia's 191.07 latest graphics drivers vs. the OEM ones from MS is all, just so I could get OpenGL games from IDSoftware running right - which, it does, unlike VISTA from what I understood, @ least, from a pal of mine who had it &amp; couldn't get VISTA to play IDSoftware's Quake 4, which I like too, but I don't think he tried the icd from NVidia's own drivers @ least on VISTA &amp; he may have 'screwed up' on that note is all...)So, mostly for me?It's been GREAT so far (with 2 reservations in my "p.s.
" below though)Windows 7 has been impressively F A S T also...Especially considering it is running a TRUCKLOAD more services than Windows Server 2003 ever did (it has many that older OS did not &amp; that was the previous OS to it I am using, since it is the codebase, specifically, from which VISTA onwards are built up from (it's got a LOT of what they do, but it lacks ASRL, &amp; "protected mode" in IE, afaik only).
I trimmed it down another 20 services or so (i.e./e.g.-&gt; I don't need the HomeGroup networking stuff or Server service running for example, as I do not publish shared disks/folders publicly (nor do I want to, for security's sake))I had to set it up 4-5 times beause:----A.
) Until I go the services trimmings right (for speed), &amp; learning then for security, + also learning WHICH .reg files for speed up &amp; security still work, or did not, from Windows Server 2003... not all do, especially DCOM/COM oriented ones!B.
) Also, my Windows7 system is now also 'security-hardened', via IP Security Policies, secpol.msc &amp; gpedit.msc usage, + SCW (security configuration wizard too you have to install manually))...----Still - No "huge biggie" that either, on either account A &amp; B, above... on the screwups I had to get it right security &amp; speed wise!
Just took me a day to go thru all the permutations of possibles on the</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930833</id>
	<title>I've only tested Win7 out on a handful of machines</title>
	<author>steppin\_razor\_LA</author>
	<datestamp>1256909700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RC and RTM and haven't played with the final release yet, but I have to say I've been very happy with the results. My experiences with Vista (both in beta/RC as well as final production release) was very different. My "favorite" vista experience was showing up to work one day and finding my system jacked so hard from the windows updates the night before that it could not longer boot + using the system restore points didn't help. I've had nothing but terrible experiences with any Vista system I've used for a chunk of time.  So far I've had nothing but good experiences on my Win7 testbeds (ASUS EEEPC w/ 2GB of RAM and a Core i5 desktop w/ 4GB). We've kept our ~200 desktops running XP. Time to start thinking about Win7 deployments...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RC and RTM and have n't played with the final release yet , but I have to say I 've been very happy with the results .
My experiences with Vista ( both in beta/RC as well as final production release ) was very different .
My " favorite " vista experience was showing up to work one day and finding my system jacked so hard from the windows updates the night before that it could not longer boot + using the system restore points did n't help .
I 've had nothing but terrible experiences with any Vista system I 've used for a chunk of time .
So far I 've had nothing but good experiences on my Win7 testbeds ( ASUS EEEPC w/ 2GB of RAM and a Core i5 desktop w/ 4GB ) .
We 've kept our ~ 200 desktops running XP .
Time to start thinking about Win7 deployments.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RC and RTM and haven't played with the final release yet, but I have to say I've been very happy with the results.
My experiences with Vista (both in beta/RC as well as final production release) was very different.
My "favorite" vista experience was showing up to work one day and finding my system jacked so hard from the windows updates the night before that it could not longer boot + using the system restore points didn't help.
I've had nothing but terrible experiences with any Vista system I've used for a chunk of time.
So far I've had nothing but good experiences on my Win7 testbeds (ASUS EEEPC w/ 2GB of RAM and a Core i5 desktop w/ 4GB).
We've kept our ~200 desktops running XP.
Time to start thinking about Win7 deployments...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930493</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy. The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.</p></div><p>I have that problem on Ubuntu 9.04.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy .
The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.I have that problem on Ubuntu 9.04 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read some mac forums because I have an iPhone and apple crap is just as buggy.
The latest problem on the new iMacs is screen flickering and extreme chopiness when playing flash content.I have that problem on Ubuntu 9.04.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930187</id>
	<title>Time Tested OS?</title>
	<author>SierraPete94</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They recommend "people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle". Would that be BSD or DOS 6?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They recommend " people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle " .
Would that be BSD or DOS 6 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They recommend "people stick with their time-tested OS and wait for the dust to settle".
Would that be BSD or DOS 6?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29937115</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>maccam</author>
	<datestamp>1256984040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>However, this Mac ad is humorous because it does accurately reflect statements/promises issued about the Windows releases mentioned in the ad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , this Mac ad is humorous because it does accurately reflect statements/promises issued about the Windows releases mentioned in the ad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, this Mac ad is humorous because it does accurately reflect statements/promises issued about the Windows releases mentioned in the ad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931305</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu 9.10</title>
	<author>ppanon</author>
	<datestamp>1256914320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did the same and ran into some problems. The main problem seems to have been the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000 conflicting with my Logitech USB mouse. If I unplug and re-plug the mouse, it works OK, but it's frozen again after a reboot. Seems to be an issue with evdev mapping. I've now got it re-plugged in as a PS/2 mouse and don't seem to have the same problem. What's interesting is that they worked together fine upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04, which is when a lot of other people were having problems.</p><p>I also experienced some minor difficulties because I was running ATI's binary fglrx driver and have switched to the ati/radeon open source driver. However that was simpler to fix and only took time because of the keyboard/mouse problem. Reconfiguring the dual head from mirrored desktop (default after driver re-install) to contiguous is actually pretty easy with the new ati drivers and display preferences panel. I really like KMS and RandR support. Next challenge will be to get userland working with a server kernel for virtualization (at least the kernel boots now).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did the same and ran into some problems .
The main problem seems to have been the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000 conflicting with my Logitech USB mouse .
If I unplug and re-plug the mouse , it works OK , but it 's frozen again after a reboot .
Seems to be an issue with evdev mapping .
I 've now got it re-plugged in as a PS/2 mouse and do n't seem to have the same problem .
What 's interesting is that they worked together fine upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 , which is when a lot of other people were having problems.I also experienced some minor difficulties because I was running ATI 's binary fglrx driver and have switched to the ati/radeon open source driver .
However that was simpler to fix and only took time because of the keyboard/mouse problem .
Reconfiguring the dual head from mirrored desktop ( default after driver re-install ) to contiguous is actually pretty easy with the new ati drivers and display preferences panel .
I really like KMS and RandR support .
Next challenge will be to get userland working with a server kernel for virtualization ( at least the kernel boots now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did the same and ran into some problems.
The main problem seems to have been the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000 conflicting with my Logitech USB mouse.
If I unplug and re-plug the mouse, it works OK, but it's frozen again after a reboot.
Seems to be an issue with evdev mapping.
I've now got it re-plugged in as a PS/2 mouse and don't seem to have the same problem.
What's interesting is that they worked together fine upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04, which is when a lot of other people were having problems.I also experienced some minor difficulties because I was running ATI's binary fglrx driver and have switched to the ati/radeon open source driver.
However that was simpler to fix and only took time because of the keyboard/mouse problem.
Reconfiguring the dual head from mirrored desktop (default after driver re-install) to contiguous is actually pretty easy with the new ati drivers and display preferences panel.
I really like KMS and RandR support.
Next challenge will be to get userland working with a server kernel for virtualization (at least the kernel boots now).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930423</id>
	<title>Ubuntu 9.10</title>
	<author>cm613</author>
	<datestamp>1256906760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The new Ubuntu version just came out.  I upgraded right away and things are fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The new Ubuntu version just came out .
I upgraded right away and things are fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new Ubuntu version just came out.
I upgraded right away and things are fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931055</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256911380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Win 7 is the best OS I have ever used. Haven't run Win Server 8 yet but I think people are silly to not buy a new PC because they are waiting for Win 7 SP1 - as for Apple ads - they have gotten real old and I would think their effectiveness has run its course. If Apple were so great they would have more than Zip for a market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Win 7 is the best OS I have ever used .
Have n't run Win Server 8 yet but I think people are silly to not buy a new PC because they are waiting for Win 7 SP1 - as for Apple ads - they have gotten real old and I would think their effectiveness has run its course .
If Apple were so great they would have more than Zip for a market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Win 7 is the best OS I have ever used.
Haven't run Win Server 8 yet but I think people are silly to not buy a new PC because they are waiting for Win 7 SP1 - as for Apple ads - they have gotten real old and I would think their effectiveness has run its course.
If Apple were so great they would have more than Zip for a market share.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930595</id>
	<title>It's hard, isn't it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those ads are so brutally witty that it's hard to criticize them well.  Keep plugging though, you'll find a way eventually.  You could try "ancient history," or deflect with a Snow Leopard data loss question.  "A mac is a PC" is a popular choice, as is market share envy or mac user arrogance.
</p><p>Here, this one's easier.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/getamac?blend=2&amp;ob=1" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Give it a go.</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those ads are so brutally witty that it 's hard to criticize them well .
Keep plugging though , you 'll find a way eventually .
You could try " ancient history , " or deflect with a Snow Leopard data loss question .
" A mac is a PC " is a popular choice , as is market share envy or mac user arrogance .
Here , this one 's easier .
Give it a go .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those ads are so brutally witty that it's hard to criticize them well.
Keep plugging though, you'll find a way eventually.
You could try "ancient history," or deflect with a Snow Leopard data loss question.
"A mac is a PC" is a popular choice, as is market share envy or mac user arrogance.
Here, this one's easier.
Give it a go.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930699</id>
	<title>FUD FUD FUD FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Total and utter bollocks. This A-tard clearly hasn't even bothered to install the OS, let alone test its stability. I've been running Windows 7 RC1 on both work and home systems since it came out and have not had any problems whatsoever. As soon as MSDN RTM came out it went on my workstation at work and I've yet to have a single problem. I pre-ordered Win7 Professional for home on the strength of the RC and I'm sitting here typing on my Win7 Pro RTM install and I'm still yet to have any problem.</p><p>This guy is an idiot and clearly wants to do nothing more than get some publicity. Tosser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Total and utter bollocks .
This A-tard clearly has n't even bothered to install the OS , let alone test its stability .
I 've been running Windows 7 RC1 on both work and home systems since it came out and have not had any problems whatsoever .
As soon as MSDN RTM came out it went on my workstation at work and I 've yet to have a single problem .
I pre-ordered Win7 Professional for home on the strength of the RC and I 'm sitting here typing on my Win7 Pro RTM install and I 'm still yet to have any problem.This guy is an idiot and clearly wants to do nothing more than get some publicity .
Tosser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Total and utter bollocks.
This A-tard clearly hasn't even bothered to install the OS, let alone test its stability.
I've been running Windows 7 RC1 on both work and home systems since it came out and have not had any problems whatsoever.
As soon as MSDN RTM came out it went on my workstation at work and I've yet to have a single problem.
I pre-ordered Win7 Professional for home on the strength of the RC and I'm sitting here typing on my Win7 Pro RTM install and I'm still yet to have any problem.This guy is an idiot and clearly wants to do nothing more than get some publicity.
Tosser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930273</id>
	<title>Wow captain obvious....</title>
	<author>Jetrel</author>
	<datestamp>1256906100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> I wonder how much they get paid to release that? Everyone knows to wait for SP1 in businesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much they get paid to release that ?
Everyone knows to wait for SP1 in businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I wonder how much they get paid to release that?
Everyone knows to wait for SP1 in businesses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931079</id>
	<title>Re:Help me out here...</title>
	<author>leathered</author>
	<datestamp>1256911620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 is the 7th release of Windows NT</p><p>NT 3.5 (+3.51)<br>NT 4<br>NT 5 (Win2k)<br>NT 5.1 (XP)<br>NT 5.2 (2003 and XP x64)<br>NT 6 (Vista)<br>NT 7 (Win 7)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is the 7th release of Windows NTNT 3.5 ( + 3.51 ) NT 4NT 5 ( Win2k ) NT 5.1 ( XP ) NT 5.2 ( 2003 and XP x64 ) NT 6 ( Vista ) NT 7 ( Win 7 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is the 7th release of Windows NTNT 3.5 (+3.51)NT 4NT 5 (Win2k)NT 5.1 (XP)NT 5.2 (2003 and XP x64)NT 6 (Vista)NT 7 (Win 7)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930867</id>
	<title>DUF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This post seems like FUD, but with the polarity reversed...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This post seems like FUD , but with the polarity reversed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post seems like FUD, but with the polarity reversed...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931845</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1256919600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biggest problem from my end?  If you're still using apps that need specific unicode locations get used to using applocale.  Otherwise, I haven't run into a single problem so far.  I moved from XP64 to Win7x64, and I'll say I'm quite happy with it.  Now the UAC on the other hand annoys the piss out of me still, so it died.</p><p>There are programs that I use that cause the UAC to go nuts for about 10mins even when they're setup properly, I don't need that hassle. If you asked me 4 months ago if I'd be sticking with XP64 the answer would have been yes, now not a chance I'm happy with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biggest problem from my end ?
If you 're still using apps that need specific unicode locations get used to using applocale .
Otherwise , I have n't run into a single problem so far .
I moved from XP64 to Win7x64 , and I 'll say I 'm quite happy with it .
Now the UAC on the other hand annoys the piss out of me still , so it died.There are programs that I use that cause the UAC to go nuts for about 10mins even when they 're setup properly , I do n't need that hassle .
If you asked me 4 months ago if I 'd be sticking with XP64 the answer would have been yes , now not a chance I 'm happy with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biggest problem from my end?
If you're still using apps that need specific unicode locations get used to using applocale.
Otherwise, I haven't run into a single problem so far.
I moved from XP64 to Win7x64, and I'll say I'm quite happy with it.
Now the UAC on the other hand annoys the piss out of me still, so it died.There are programs that I use that cause the UAC to go nuts for about 10mins even when they're setup properly, I don't need that hassle.
If you asked me 4 months ago if I'd be sticking with XP64 the answer would have been yes, now not a chance I'm happy with this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933347</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anti-MS FUD?</p><p>Well the last jump for consumers was pretty major Windows ME/9x to XP was a jump to a NT based more stable OS. There was a compelling reason to upgrade for home users unless they ran Win2K which was unlikely.</p><p>On the other hand now that you're using WinXP and you have your system locked down, and all your apps work, and you don't need Direct X10 or 11 - and you don't care about eye-candy - there is NO REASON at all to spend good money for Windows 7. Also don't trust that XP Virtual Machine - it needs specific processors, extra disk space (which on laptops and netbooks can be tricky), more memory and even then doesn't work as well as native XP. There simply is no reason to upgrade to 7 unless its for improved security, eye candy, games with DirectX10+ and perhaps specific apps which do not run under XP but on Vista and above.</p><p>Saying this, if you have Vista and the system is slow for you, upgrade to 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anti-MS FUD ? Well the last jump for consumers was pretty major Windows ME/9x to XP was a jump to a NT based more stable OS .
There was a compelling reason to upgrade for home users unless they ran Win2K which was unlikely.On the other hand now that you 're using WinXP and you have your system locked down , and all your apps work , and you do n't need Direct X10 or 11 - and you do n't care about eye-candy - there is NO REASON at all to spend good money for Windows 7 .
Also do n't trust that XP Virtual Machine - it needs specific processors , extra disk space ( which on laptops and netbooks can be tricky ) , more memory and even then does n't work as well as native XP .
There simply is no reason to upgrade to 7 unless its for improved security , eye candy , games with DirectX10 + and perhaps specific apps which do not run under XP but on Vista and above.Saying this , if you have Vista and the system is slow for you , upgrade to 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anti-MS FUD?Well the last jump for consumers was pretty major Windows ME/9x to XP was a jump to a NT based more stable OS.
There was a compelling reason to upgrade for home users unless they ran Win2K which was unlikely.On the other hand now that you're using WinXP and you have your system locked down, and all your apps work, and you don't need Direct X10 or 11 - and you don't care about eye-candy - there is NO REASON at all to spend good money for Windows 7.
Also don't trust that XP Virtual Machine - it needs specific processors, extra disk space (which on laptops and netbooks can be tricky), more memory and even then doesn't work as well as native XP.
There simply is no reason to upgrade to 7 unless its for improved security, eye candy, games with DirectX10+ and perhaps specific apps which do not run under XP but on Vista and above.Saying this, if you have Vista and the system is slow for you, upgrade to 7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930953</id>
	<title>Re:Works okay for me.</title>
	<author>TheRealMindChild</author>
	<datestamp>1256910600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your post seems most appropriate to add the few "differences" I have come across:<br> <br>1) Windows 7 seems to play "old" games that no hacking in the world could get to work on anything but windows of its era on hardware of its era (Phantasmagoria2, TLC). Phantasmagoria 2 would just GPF if it wasn't on Windows 9x and hardware of the time (VMs would GPF too). TLC was an interactive movie that REQUIRED a dedicated hardware MPEG decoder card. I don't know what it does, but every Windows OS previous, it would flat out refuse to work. These are only a couple of examples of games running better that I have experienced.<br>2)Older DirectX games have issues. Age of Empires II has a corrupted pallet when playing in Windows 7 (I found killing explorer fixes this for some reason). Also, if you have a multi-monitor setup, then old DirectX games won't change the resolution of the monitor (so if you are playing Diablo II at 800x600, instead of setting the monitor resolution to 800x600, you get the game in an 800x600 box with a black border filling in the rest of the current resolution).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post seems most appropriate to add the few " differences " I have come across : 1 ) Windows 7 seems to play " old " games that no hacking in the world could get to work on anything but windows of its era on hardware of its era ( Phantasmagoria2 , TLC ) .
Phantasmagoria 2 would just GPF if it was n't on Windows 9x and hardware of the time ( VMs would GPF too ) .
TLC was an interactive movie that REQUIRED a dedicated hardware MPEG decoder card .
I do n't know what it does , but every Windows OS previous , it would flat out refuse to work .
These are only a couple of examples of games running better that I have experienced.2 ) Older DirectX games have issues .
Age of Empires II has a corrupted pallet when playing in Windows 7 ( I found killing explorer fixes this for some reason ) .
Also , if you have a multi-monitor setup , then old DirectX games wo n't change the resolution of the monitor ( so if you are playing Diablo II at 800x600 , instead of setting the monitor resolution to 800x600 , you get the game in an 800x600 box with a black border filling in the rest of the current resolution ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post seems most appropriate to add the few "differences" I have come across: 1) Windows 7 seems to play "old" games that no hacking in the world could get to work on anything but windows of its era on hardware of its era (Phantasmagoria2, TLC).
Phantasmagoria 2 would just GPF if it wasn't on Windows 9x and hardware of the time (VMs would GPF too).
TLC was an interactive movie that REQUIRED a dedicated hardware MPEG decoder card.
I don't know what it does, but every Windows OS previous, it would flat out refuse to work.
These are only a couple of examples of games running better that I have experienced.2)Older DirectX games have issues.
Age of Empires II has a corrupted pallet when playing in Windows 7 (I found killing explorer fixes this for some reason).
Also, if you have a multi-monitor setup, then old DirectX games won't change the resolution of the monitor (so if you are playing Diablo II at 800x600, instead of setting the monitor resolution to 800x600, you get the game in an 800x600 box with a black border filling in the rest of the current resolution).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931935</id>
	<title>Re:They say this every time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a quick glance through the article itself has raised a few flags personally.  For example the security company chides microsoft's pricing of the new OS, calling it an unnecessary expense right now.</p><p>It seems innocuous, but I start to wave a big red flag as soon as a security adviser starts tacking on extraneous bits of subjective information to what should be an objective report.</p><p>Besides, who the hell is Rescuecom, and why are they receiving calls about windows 7 beta users?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a quick glance through the article itself has raised a few flags personally .
For example the security company chides microsoft 's pricing of the new OS , calling it an unnecessary expense right now.It seems innocuous , but I start to wave a big red flag as soon as a security adviser starts tacking on extraneous bits of subjective information to what should be an objective report.Besides , who the hell is Rescuecom , and why are they receiving calls about windows 7 beta users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a quick glance through the article itself has raised a few flags personally.
For example the security company chides microsoft's pricing of the new OS, calling it an unnecessary expense right now.It seems innocuous, but I start to wave a big red flag as soon as a security adviser starts tacking on extraneous bits of subjective information to what should be an objective report.Besides, who the hell is Rescuecom, and why are they receiving calls about windows 7 beta users?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930783</id>
	<title>Help me out here...</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1256909280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows iterations:</p><p>1.x<br>2.x<br>3.x (and WFW, still 3.x)<br>95 (I believe this is where they merged the NT kernel)<br>98<br>ME<br>XP<br>2K3<br>Vista<br>Win "7" (10th iteration)?</p><p>OK, leaving out 1.x and 2.x (3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers?) and NT = v4 as not generally available to home users, Windows "7" should still be #8. Did MS disown ME? I would.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows iterations : 1.x2.x3.x ( and WFW , still 3.x ) 95 ( I believe this is where they merged the NT kernel ) 98MEXP2K3VistaWin " 7 " ( 10th iteration ) ? OK , leaving out 1.x and 2.x ( 3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers ?
) and NT = v4 as not generally available to home users , Windows " 7 " should still be # 8 .
Did MS disown ME ?
I would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows iterations:1.x2.x3.x (and WFW, still 3.x)95 (I believe this is where they merged the NT kernel)98MEXP2K3VistaWin "7" (10th iteration)?OK, leaving out 1.x and 2.x (3.x was where most people started after DOS...were 1 &amp; 2 ever even released to consumers?
) and NT = v4 as not generally available to home users, Windows "7" should still be #8.
Did MS disown ME?
I would.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29935337</id>
	<title>Grow Up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>here we go again.<br>find some stupid article on the web bashing Win7 and the prominantly display it as if it is some holy grail. Then crack jokes about MS and provide some stupid youtube video of a Mac ad. And then quote some anecdotal evidence about some relative (obviously you linux fan boys cant say you are using windows) who faced so many issues with windows, blah blah blah<br>Grow up you kids.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>here we go again.find some stupid article on the web bashing Win7 and the prominantly display it as if it is some holy grail .
Then crack jokes about MS and provide some stupid youtube video of a Mac ad .
And then quote some anecdotal evidence about some relative ( obviously you linux fan boys cant say you are using windows ) who faced so many issues with windows , blah blah blahGrow up you kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>here we go again.find some stupid article on the web bashing Win7 and the prominantly display it as if it is some holy grail.
Then crack jokes about MS and provide some stupid youtube video of a Mac ad.
And then quote some anecdotal evidence about some relative (obviously you linux fan boys cant say you are using windows) who faced so many issues with windows, blah blah blahGrow up you kids.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930235</id>
	<title>Too Late</title>
	<author>Jesterace</author>
	<datestamp>1256905860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too late I'm already running 7 Ultimate x64<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too late I 'm already running 7 Ultimate x64 : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too late I'm already running 7 Ultimate x64 :/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930451</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1256906880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers...</p></div><p>Err, wasn't that the big Microsoft apologists' common excuse for Vista when it first came out?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers...Err , was n't that the big Microsoft apologists ' common excuse for Vista when it first came out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing we need are proper Windows 7 drivers...Err, wasn't that the big Microsoft apologists' common excuse for Vista when it first came out?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930793</id>
	<title>Re:I work for a software development company...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed SQL 2005 and then upgraded it to SP3 without any big problems on Windows 7.</p><p>The first attempt to install SP3 failed, but I just re-ran the patch and it worked the second time. Its definitely a twitchy patch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed SQL 2005 and then upgraded it to SP3 without any big problems on Windows 7.The first attempt to install SP3 failed , but I just re-ran the patch and it worked the second time .
Its definitely a twitchy patch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed SQL 2005 and then upgraded it to SP3 without any big problems on Windows 7.The first attempt to install SP3 failed, but I just re-ran the patch and it worked the second time.
Its definitely a twitchy patch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931027</id>
	<title>I don't get this attitude.</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1256911140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If everybody followed this advice, there would be nobody using Windows 7, and therefore nobody would be uncovering issues, and therefore no service pack would be released. The quickest way to find and fix problems is for everybody to use the thing and report what's broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If everybody followed this advice , there would be nobody using Windows 7 , and therefore nobody would be uncovering issues , and therefore no service pack would be released .
The quickest way to find and fix problems is for everybody to use the thing and report what 's broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everybody followed this advice, there would be nobody using Windows 7, and therefore nobody would be uncovering issues, and therefore no service pack would be released.
The quickest way to find and fix problems is for everybody to use the thing and report what's broken.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930077</id>
	<title>Smells like FUD...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While no initial release is perfect (and nor is any currently deployed system), this seems like FUD to me.  Win7 is small enough of a difference from Vista (and that's a good thing) that there's relatively few surprises switching to it.  There's no major driver model change and real world app compatibility testing has been in progress for almost a year now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While no initial release is perfect ( and nor is any currently deployed system ) , this seems like FUD to me .
Win7 is small enough of a difference from Vista ( and that 's a good thing ) that there 's relatively few surprises switching to it .
There 's no major driver model change and real world app compatibility testing has been in progress for almost a year now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While no initial release is perfect (and nor is any currently deployed system), this seems like FUD to me.
Win7 is small enough of a difference from Vista (and that's a good thing) that there's relatively few surprises switching to it.
There's no major driver model change and real world app compatibility testing has been in progress for almost a year now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29948710</id>
	<title>Re:Same old Vista, different name.</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1257161100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Its [sic] still horribly incompatible with older applications,</p></div><p>I wonder why does people moan about this lack of compatibility when all the alternative Operating Systems (BSD, OSX, Linux), have the same or worst application compatibility. Try installing anything older than 5 years and you will see.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its [ sic ] still horribly incompatible with older applications,I wonder why does people moan about this lack of compatibility when all the alternative Operating Systems ( BSD , OSX , Linux ) , have the same or worst application compatibility .
Try installing anything older than 5 years and you will see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its [sic] still horribly incompatible with older applications,I wonder why does people moan about this lack of compatibility when all the alternative Operating Systems (BSD, OSX, Linux), have the same or worst application compatibility.
Try installing anything older than 5 years and you will see.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930499</id>
	<title>upgrade?</title>
	<author>ballyhoo</author>
	<datestamp>1256907180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, given that upgrades from windows 2.0 to windows 3.0 were never supported, windows 3.1 to windows 95 didn't work at all, windows 95 to windows 98 mostly didn't work; windows 98 to XP was a fail city and XP to vista was disasterous, why on earth does anyone expect windows vista to windows 7 to have any chance of working?</p><p>Seriously, what person in their right mind would even \_attempt\_ an upgrade?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , given that upgrades from windows 2.0 to windows 3.0 were never supported , windows 3.1 to windows 95 did n't work at all , windows 95 to windows 98 mostly did n't work ; windows 98 to XP was a fail city and XP to vista was disasterous , why on earth does anyone expect windows vista to windows 7 to have any chance of working ? Seriously , what person in their right mind would even \ _attempt \ _ an upgrade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, given that upgrades from windows 2.0 to windows 3.0 were never supported, windows 3.1 to windows 95 didn't work at all, windows 95 to windows 98 mostly didn't work; windows 98 to XP was a fail city and XP to vista was disasterous, why on earth does anyone expect windows vista to windows 7 to have any chance of working?Seriously, what person in their right mind would even \_attempt\_ an upgrade?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930405</id>
	<title>Endure Vista longer</title>
	<author>Tanman</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p><p>NOT!</p><p>Windows 7 is nice.  I like.  Upgrade time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... .. ..... ..NOT ! Windows 7 is nice .
I like .
Upgrade time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... .. ..... ..NOT!Windows 7 is nice.
I like.
Upgrade time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932755</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's very true.</p><p>I've found 1 bug, though: it's actually harder to move a user's data off to a different partition than it was under XP. XP needed just a right-click on My Documents, 7 doesn't seem to have any interface way to do that.</p><p>And YES, this is so dumb it qualifies as a bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's very true.I 've found 1 bug , though : it 's actually harder to move a user 's data off to a different partition than it was under XP .
XP needed just a right-click on My Documents , 7 does n't seem to have any interface way to do that.And YES , this is so dumb it qualifies as a bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's very true.I've found 1 bug, though: it's actually harder to move a user's data off to a different partition than it was under XP.
XP needed just a right-click on My Documents, 7 doesn't seem to have any interface way to do that.And YES, this is so dumb it qualifies as a bug.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930037</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933371</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1256991600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've *never* seen a new OS released that didn't have patches released for it soon afterward.</p></div></blockquote><p>Depends how far back you go. Before the internet was in every home software companies had to get it right the first time or risk having to send our thousands of floppy disks with updates. Most of them managed it too, even if arguably software was a lot simpler back then and security flaws were much less of an issue.</p><p>Thinking back to Amiga OS, RISC OS, System 7 etc. they all managed to get released with no "show stopper" bugs. To be fair to Windows 7, if you discount the security issues (which would have affected those older systems if they were released today due to every machine being connected to the internet) and issues with third party software and drivers then it's actually been pretty stable and generally issue free so far.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've * never * seen a new OS released that did n't have patches released for it soon afterward.Depends how far back you go .
Before the internet was in every home software companies had to get it right the first time or risk having to send our thousands of floppy disks with updates .
Most of them managed it too , even if arguably software was a lot simpler back then and security flaws were much less of an issue.Thinking back to Amiga OS , RISC OS , System 7 etc .
they all managed to get released with no " show stopper " bugs .
To be fair to Windows 7 , if you discount the security issues ( which would have affected those older systems if they were released today due to every machine being connected to the internet ) and issues with third party software and drivers then it 's actually been pretty stable and generally issue free so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've *never* seen a new OS released that didn't have patches released for it soon afterward.Depends how far back you go.
Before the internet was in every home software companies had to get it right the first time or risk having to send our thousands of floppy disks with updates.
Most of them managed it too, even if arguably software was a lot simpler back then and security flaws were much less of an issue.Thinking back to Amiga OS, RISC OS, System 7 etc.
they all managed to get released with no "show stopper" bugs.
To be fair to Windows 7, if you discount the security issues (which would have affected those older systems if they were released today due to every machine being connected to the internet) and issues with third party software and drivers then it's actually been pretty stable and generally issue free so far.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932673</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932163</id>
	<title>Microsoft reads these reports too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256923800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be surprised when SP 1 comes out earlier than other service packs have....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be surprised when SP 1 comes out earlier than other service packs have... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be surprised when SP 1 comes out earlier than other service packs have....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930937</id>
	<title>Bad Advise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256910480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is stupid advice... there is no issues with Windows 7<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I certainly would recommend someone move To Window 7 over Vista SP2!! These guys are idiots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is stupid advice... there is no issues with Windows 7 ... I certainly would recommend someone move To Window 7 over Vista SP2 ! !
These guys are idiots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is stupid advice... there is no issues with Windows 7 ... I certainly would recommend someone move To Window 7 over Vista SP2!!
These guys are idiots.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932673</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>King\_TJ</author>
	<datestamp>1257019800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair, Apple did a *lot* of these commercials, and I remember quite a few that point out benefits of OS X.  They're not ALL about bashing the other platform and saying nothing about themselves.  Sometimes, it's indirect but just as valid - like the "Wheel of Vista" commercial they did, to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone, unlike Microsoft, where they have all these different "flavors" at different price-points.</p><p>On the same note, if OS X was deployed as widely in big, corporate settings as Windows is, you'd have the exact same thing going on as this story talks about.  People would say "Don't upgrade to Snow Leopard until they release 10.6.2!"  I've *never* seen a new OS released that didn't have patches released for it soon afterward.  History shows that the patches for the more severe issues tend to get done first, and then the little nit-picky stuff slowly gets ironed out after that.  So it's always wise to wait a little while before deploying a brand new OS release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , Apple did a * lot * of these commercials , and I remember quite a few that point out benefits of OS X. They 're not ALL about bashing the other platform and saying nothing about themselves .
Sometimes , it 's indirect but just as valid - like the " Wheel of Vista " commercial they did , to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone , unlike Microsoft , where they have all these different " flavors " at different price-points.On the same note , if OS X was deployed as widely in big , corporate settings as Windows is , you 'd have the exact same thing going on as this story talks about .
People would say " Do n't upgrade to Snow Leopard until they release 10.6.2 !
" I 've * never * seen a new OS released that did n't have patches released for it soon afterward .
History shows that the patches for the more severe issues tend to get done first , and then the little nit-picky stuff slowly gets ironed out after that .
So it 's always wise to wait a little while before deploying a brand new OS release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, Apple did a *lot* of these commercials, and I remember quite a few that point out benefits of OS X.  They're not ALL about bashing the other platform and saying nothing about themselves.
Sometimes, it's indirect but just as valid - like the "Wheel of Vista" commercial they did, to emphasize that OS X only has one version for everyone, unlike Microsoft, where they have all these different "flavors" at different price-points.On the same note, if OS X was deployed as widely in big, corporate settings as Windows is, you'd have the exact same thing going on as this story talks about.
People would say "Don't upgrade to Snow Leopard until they release 10.6.2!
"  I've *never* seen a new OS released that didn't have patches released for it soon afterward.
History shows that the patches for the more severe issues tend to get done first, and then the little nit-picky stuff slowly gets ironed out after that.
So it's always wise to wait a little while before deploying a brand new OS release.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931125</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1256912160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A fair number of the helper applications manufacturers bundle broke with the upgrade.  On my Sony laptop installing the Vista version of the Vaio Control Center will trigger a non-Sony battery detected message at startup and force hibernation.  A couple of my friends with tablets report that HP's new Windows 7 compatible tablet "driver" is missing a couple of features.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A fair number of the helper applications manufacturers bundle broke with the upgrade .
On my Sony laptop installing the Vista version of the Vaio Control Center will trigger a non-Sony battery detected message at startup and force hibernation .
A couple of my friends with tablets report that HP 's new Windows 7 compatible tablet " driver " is missing a couple of features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fair number of the helper applications manufacturers bundle broke with the upgrade.
On my Sony laptop installing the Vista version of the Vaio Control Center will trigger a non-Sony battery detected message at startup and force hibernation.
A couple of my friends with tablets report that HP's new Windows 7 compatible tablet "driver" is missing a couple of features.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930549</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931745</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is heavily involved in working with vendors to make sure drivers are available. This always bugs me when the new Windows OS comes out inevitably some vendor stops supporting a device and doesn't write a new driver for it. This is not MS's fault but that of the hardware vendor. But with 7 at least some of that is not an issue, case in point on my home made system I had an ATI video card that when I looked on ATIs site it looked like my card had been dropped to legacy support. I figured I would have a hassle getting it finagled with 7 but as a tech support guy I was willing to take it on anyway. Lo and behold, after installing 7 it recognized the card and installed a driver for it without any interaction from me. It even installed a driver for my PITA Logitech webcam that has probably the flakiest software I've ever seen. Point is they seem to have done a great job on this one and articles like this are baseless FUD put out by self proclaimed experts that are too lazy to keep up with the times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is heavily involved in working with vendors to make sure drivers are available .
This always bugs me when the new Windows OS comes out inevitably some vendor stops supporting a device and does n't write a new driver for it .
This is not MS 's fault but that of the hardware vendor .
But with 7 at least some of that is not an issue , case in point on my home made system I had an ATI video card that when I looked on ATIs site it looked like my card had been dropped to legacy support .
I figured I would have a hassle getting it finagled with 7 but as a tech support guy I was willing to take it on anyway .
Lo and behold , after installing 7 it recognized the card and installed a driver for it without any interaction from me .
It even installed a driver for my PITA Logitech webcam that has probably the flakiest software I 've ever seen .
Point is they seem to have done a great job on this one and articles like this are baseless FUD put out by self proclaimed experts that are too lazy to keep up with the times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is heavily involved in working with vendors to make sure drivers are available.
This always bugs me when the new Windows OS comes out inevitably some vendor stops supporting a device and doesn't write a new driver for it.
This is not MS's fault but that of the hardware vendor.
But with 7 at least some of that is not an issue, case in point on my home made system I had an ATI video card that when I looked on ATIs site it looked like my card had been dropped to legacy support.
I figured I would have a hassle getting it finagled with 7 but as a tech support guy I was willing to take it on anyway.
Lo and behold, after installing 7 it recognized the card and installed a driver for it without any interaction from me.
It even installed a driver for my PITA Logitech webcam that has probably the flakiest software I've ever seen.
Point is they seem to have done a great job on this one and articles like this are baseless FUD put out by self proclaimed experts that are too lazy to keep up with the times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932515</id>
	<title>Re:Don't wait.</title>
	<author>weicco</author>
	<datestamp>1256929980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no. Article is right to the point. I'm still running Linux from year 2001 and waiting for all the bugs to be fixed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no .
Article is right to the point .
I 'm still running Linux from year 2001 and waiting for all the bugs to be fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no.
Article is right to the point.
I'm still running Linux from year 2001 and waiting for all the bugs to be fixed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930639</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931427</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility, let alone 64-bit... I had to look it up on the Diamond website and download the driver for my Xtreme Sound 7.1, and it only is 32-bit...  Still looking for an inexpensive sound card solution for the 64-bit machine...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility , let alone 64-bit... I had to look it up on the Diamond website and download the driver for my Xtreme Sound 7.1 , and it only is 32-bit... Still looking for an inexpensive sound card solution for the 64-bit machine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try finding a soundcard on the shelf that even lists Vista-compatibility, let alone 64-bit... I had to look it up on the Diamond website and download the driver for my Xtreme Sound 7.1, and it only is 32-bit...  Still looking for an inexpensive sound card solution for the 64-bit machine...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930549</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29934533</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is the rest of the population seems to vote for people who make those types of ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is the rest of the population seems to vote for people who make those types of ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is the rest of the population seems to vote for people who make those types of ads.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930847</id>
	<title>Oh wait</title>
	<author>lymond01</author>
	<datestamp>1256909700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a middling "security" company writing about a product<br>i haven't tested but somehow, somehow, I've made the front page of Slashdot.  If it wasn't open source I'd be wondering who to make the Check out to.</p><p>Seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a middling " security " company writing about a producti have n't tested but somehow , somehow , I 've made the front page of Slashdot .
If it was n't open source I 'd be wondering who to make the Check out to.Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a middling "security" company writing about a producti haven't tested but somehow, somehow, I've made the front page of Slashdot.
If it wasn't open source I'd be wondering who to make the Check out to.Seriously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931413</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1256915400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know slashdot group mind will be upset, but honestly those mac ads are pretty ignorant. I haven't had too many problems with Windows, but I have a Mac, and you know what? It has just as many annoyances as any other OS - maybe more so, because it seems like every patch apple releases breaks something I have. I can't honestly remember the last time a hotfix or service pack microsoft released broke anything of mine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know slashdot group mind will be upset , but honestly those mac ads are pretty ignorant .
I have n't had too many problems with Windows , but I have a Mac , and you know what ?
It has just as many annoyances as any other OS - maybe more so , because it seems like every patch apple releases breaks something I have .
I ca n't honestly remember the last time a hotfix or service pack microsoft released broke anything of mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know slashdot group mind will be upset, but honestly those mac ads are pretty ignorant.
I haven't had too many problems with Windows, but I have a Mac, and you know what?
It has just as many annoyances as any other OS - maybe more so, because it seems like every patch apple releases breaks something I have.
I can't honestly remember the last time a hotfix or service pack microsoft released broke anything of mine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930289</id>
	<title>Some things change...</title>
	<author>dark\_requiem</author>
	<datestamp>1256906220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll be the first to admit that, in the past, this is exactly the recommendation I follow.  However, I've used the beta, the RC, and I'm typing this on RTM, with an official install disk and license sitting next to me waiting until I have time to reinstall everything.  Win7 has been rock-solid stable for me (aside from Creative's shite XFi drivers) through every version I've tried.  If you are aware of any incompatible software that you need to run, then by all means wait (or run a VM), but otherwise, I have yet to see any reason to wait for a service pack on this one.  If someone could provide some concrete reasons to wait, I'd take this article seriously, but otherwise, FUD.<br> <br>

As to upgrading, when has it ever been a good idea to perform a Windows upgrade installation?  If you've been running any old version of Windows for 6 months or more, a fresh install is probably indicated anyway (although, I have been running RC on my home system since the day it came out, and I haven't had any Windows Rot yet, still runs as well as when I installed it).  Backup your data, wipe the drive, and start from scratch.  Bit of a pain in the ass, but that's pretty much a fact of life with Windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be the first to admit that , in the past , this is exactly the recommendation I follow .
However , I 've used the beta , the RC , and I 'm typing this on RTM , with an official install disk and license sitting next to me waiting until I have time to reinstall everything .
Win7 has been rock-solid stable for me ( aside from Creative 's shite XFi drivers ) through every version I 've tried .
If you are aware of any incompatible software that you need to run , then by all means wait ( or run a VM ) , but otherwise , I have yet to see any reason to wait for a service pack on this one .
If someone could provide some concrete reasons to wait , I 'd take this article seriously , but otherwise , FUD .
As to upgrading , when has it ever been a good idea to perform a Windows upgrade installation ?
If you 've been running any old version of Windows for 6 months or more , a fresh install is probably indicated anyway ( although , I have been running RC on my home system since the day it came out , and I have n't had any Windows Rot yet , still runs as well as when I installed it ) .
Backup your data , wipe the drive , and start from scratch .
Bit of a pain in the ass , but that 's pretty much a fact of life with Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be the first to admit that, in the past, this is exactly the recommendation I follow.
However, I've used the beta, the RC, and I'm typing this on RTM, with an official install disk and license sitting next to me waiting until I have time to reinstall everything.
Win7 has been rock-solid stable for me (aside from Creative's shite XFi drivers) through every version I've tried.
If you are aware of any incompatible software that you need to run, then by all means wait (or run a VM), but otherwise, I have yet to see any reason to wait for a service pack on this one.
If someone could provide some concrete reasons to wait, I'd take this article seriously, but otherwise, FUD.
As to upgrading, when has it ever been a good idea to perform a Windows upgrade installation?
If you've been running any old version of Windows for 6 months or more, a fresh install is probably indicated anyway (although, I have been running RC on my home system since the day it came out, and I haven't had any Windows Rot yet, still runs as well as when I installed it).
Backup your data, wipe the drive, and start from scratch.
Bit of a pain in the ass, but that's pretty much a fact of life with Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29931295</id>
	<title>Re:Ok well I disagree</title>
	<author>xanadu113</author>
	<datestamp>1256914140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(Disclaimer: Been a Linux user for years, since RedHat 4 or so..)

I had SOOO many problems with Vista, turning my quad core into a single core...  Freezing up, having to be power cycled to get running again...

Switching to Windows 7 (And blowing all the dust out of the machine) fixed it.. I'm suspecting it was Vista causing the crashes..</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Disclaimer : Been a Linux user for years , since RedHat 4 or so.. ) I had SOOO many problems with Vista , turning my quad core into a single core... Freezing up , having to be power cycled to get running again.. . Switching to Windows 7 ( And blowing all the dust out of the machine ) fixed it.. I 'm suspecting it was Vista causing the crashes. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Disclaimer: Been a Linux user for years, since RedHat 4 or so..)

I had SOOO many problems with Vista, turning my quad core into a single core...  Freezing up, having to be power cycled to get running again...

Switching to Windows 7 (And blowing all the dust out of the machine) fixed it.. I'm suspecting it was Vista causing the crashes..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932351</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256926800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought Vista and Windows 7 drivers were the same thing...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Vista and Windows 7 drivers were the same thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Vista and Windows 7 drivers were the same thing...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930451</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29932825</id>
	<title>Re:Works okay for me.</title>
	<author>ildon</author>
	<datestamp>1256980020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Quake 2 and derivatives do not run</p></div></blockquote><p>Works for me in XP SP2 compatibility mode.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quake 2 and derivatives do not runWorks for me in XP SP2 compatibility mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quake 2 and derivatives do not runWorks for me in XP SP2 compatibility mode.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930619</id>
	<title>Re:But why?</title>
	<author>Bucc5062</author>
	<datestamp>1256908080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>agreed!!  I just tried an upgrade of Kubuntu 9.04 to Karmic and it crashed at 89\% complete.  This was a hole in the ground crash that now has me starting fresh.  So I figure hey, lets try Fedora 11 or lets try something else.</p><p>I was able to recover 99\% of my data so I am not that pissed, but this reminded me to NEVER upgrade an OS.  Reinstall after good backups and a list of all actively used programs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>agreed ! !
I just tried an upgrade of Kubuntu 9.04 to Karmic and it crashed at 89 \ % complete .
This was a hole in the ground crash that now has me starting fresh .
So I figure hey , lets try Fedora 11 or lets try something else.I was able to recover 99 \ % of my data so I am not that pissed , but this reminded me to NEVER upgrade an OS .
Reinstall after good backups and a list of all actively used programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>agreed!!
I just tried an upgrade of Kubuntu 9.04 to Karmic and it crashed at 89\% complete.
This was a hole in the ground crash that now has me starting fresh.
So I figure hey, lets try Fedora 11 or lets try something else.I was able to recover 99\% of my data so I am not that pissed, but this reminded me to NEVER upgrade an OS.
Reinstall after good backups and a list of all actively used programs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29930191</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933765</id>
	<title>Re:It will be different this time</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256997300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;voting is compulsory in Australia.</p><p>So much for liberty - maybe you should just start calling yourselves "serfs".  Oh and remember to plan corn on Senator Conroy's back 40.  We have to keep the manor looking nice.</p><p>(Every day, as I read report after report from down under, I feel sorry for the Aussies.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; voting is compulsory in Australia.So much for liberty - maybe you should just start calling yourselves " serfs " .
Oh and remember to plan corn on Senator Conroy 's back 40 .
We have to keep the manor looking nice .
( Every day , as I read report after report from down under , I feel sorry for the Aussies .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;voting is compulsory in Australia.So much for liberty - maybe you should just start calling yourselves "serfs".
Oh and remember to plan corn on Senator Conroy's back 40.
We have to keep the manor looking nice.
(Every day, as I read report after report from down under, I feel sorry for the Aussies.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2148214.29933109</id>
	<title>I never upgrade Windows</title>
	<author>The\_Dougster</author>
	<datestamp>1256985960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I was building a new machine, which I'm not at the moment, then I would probably get a copy of Windows-7 for it. However, I never upgrade a Windows OS on an existing machine because on those occasions in the past when I tried it, it always was a disaster. Better to start fresh, or as some poster earlier suggested, get an external drive. I ran the Windows-7 beta from an eSATA drive last year and it worked ok. It existed in peaceful harmony with my Vista installation and didn't cause any issues at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was building a new machine , which I 'm not at the moment , then I would probably get a copy of Windows-7 for it .
However , I never upgrade a Windows OS on an existing machine because on those occasions in the past when I tried it , it always was a disaster .
Better to start fresh , or as some poster earlier suggested , get an external drive .
I ran the Windows-7 beta from an eSATA drive last year and it worked ok. It existed in peaceful harmony with my Vista installation and did n't cause any issues at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was building a new machine, which I'm not at the moment, then I would probably get a copy of Windows-7 for it.
However, I never upgrade a Windows OS on an existing machine because on those occasions in the past when I tried it, it always was a disaster.
Better to start fresh, or as some poster earlier suggested, get an external drive.
I ran the Windows-7 beta from an eSATA drive last year and it worked ok. It existed in peaceful harmony with my Vista installation and didn't cause any issues at all.</sentencetext>
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