<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_30_2126252</id>
	<title>Installing Linux On Old Hardware?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1256897880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>cptdondo writes <i>"I've got an old laptop that I've been trying to resurrect.  It has a 486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM, a 720 MB HD, a 1.44MB floppy drive, and 640x480 VESA video.  It does not have a CD drive, USB port, or a network port.  It has PCMCIA, and I have a network card for that. My goal is to get a minimal GUI that lets me run a basic browser like Dillo and open a couple of xterms. I've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine.  I've done a lot of work on OpenWRT, so naturally I though that would work, but X appears to be broken in the recent builds &mdash; I can't get the keyboard to work.  (OK, not surprising; OpenWRT is made to run on WiFi Access Point hardware which doesn't have a keyboard...) All of the 'mini' distros come as a live CD; useless on a machine without a CD-ROM.  Ditto for the USB images. I'm also finding that the definition of a 'mini' distro has gotten to the point of 'It fits on a 3GB partition and needs 128 MB RAM to run.' Has Linux really become that bloated? Do we really need 2.2 GB of cruft to bring up a simple X session? Is there a distro that provides direct ext2 images instead of live CDs?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>cptdondo writes " I 've got an old laptop that I 've been trying to resurrect .
It has a 486MHz CPU , 28 MB of RAM , a 720 MB HD , a 1.44MB floppy drive , and 640x480 VESA video .
It does not have a CD drive , USB port , or a network port .
It has PCMCIA , and I have a network card for that .
My goal is to get a minimal GUI that lets me run a basic browser like Dillo and open a couple of xterms .
I 've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine .
I 've done a lot of work on OpenWRT , so naturally I though that would work , but X appears to be broken in the recent builds    I ca n't get the keyboard to work .
( OK , not surprising ; OpenWRT is made to run on WiFi Access Point hardware which does n't have a keyboard... ) All of the 'mini ' distros come as a live CD ; useless on a machine without a CD-ROM .
Ditto for the USB images .
I 'm also finding that the definition of a 'mini ' distro has gotten to the point of 'It fits on a 3GB partition and needs 128 MB RAM to run .
' Has Linux really become that bloated ?
Do we really need 2.2 GB of cruft to bring up a simple X session ?
Is there a distro that provides direct ext2 images instead of live CDs ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cptdondo writes "I've got an old laptop that I've been trying to resurrect.
It has a 486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM, a 720 MB HD, a 1.44MB floppy drive, and 640x480 VESA video.
It does not have a CD drive, USB port, or a network port.
It has PCMCIA, and I have a network card for that.
My goal is to get a minimal GUI that lets me run a basic browser like Dillo and open a couple of xterms.
I've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine.
I've done a lot of work on OpenWRT, so naturally I though that would work, but X appears to be broken in the recent builds — I can't get the keyboard to work.
(OK, not surprising; OpenWRT is made to run on WiFi Access Point hardware which doesn't have a keyboard...) All of the 'mini' distros come as a live CD; useless on a machine without a CD-ROM.
Ditto for the USB images.
I'm also finding that the definition of a 'mini' distro has gotten to the point of 'It fits on a 3GB partition and needs 128 MB RAM to run.
' Has Linux really become that bloated?
Do we really need 2.2 GB of cruft to bring up a simple X session?
Is there a distro that provides direct ext2 images instead of live CDs?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930979</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256910780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and btw, linux loads for him, X doesn't work, but this is entirely Linux NOT related, unless video driver fails, which i doubt happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and btw , linux loads for him , X does n't work , but this is entirely Linux NOT related , unless video driver fails , which i doubt happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and btw, linux loads for him, X doesn't work, but this is entirely Linux NOT related, unless video driver fails, which i doubt happening.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929821</id>
	<title>3.11</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1256903340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for workgroups</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for workgroups</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for workgroups</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930701</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>LiMikeTnux</author>
	<datestamp>1256908740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>3.11 was network aware, 3.1 was not</htmltext>
<tokenext>3.11 was network aware , 3.1 was not</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3.11 was network aware, 3.1 was not</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929623</id>
	<title>SUSE Studio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get an account, and start with the basics.</p><p>1. Tweak<br>2. Testdrive<br>3. Tweak<br>4. Testdrive<br>5. Download<br>6. Hook up your Backpack parallel port CDROM drive, and go to sleep while it installs.<br>7. Profit!!1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get an account , and start with the basics.1 .
Tweak2. Testdrive3 .
Tweak4. Testdrive5 .
Download6. Hook up your Backpack parallel port CDROM drive , and go to sleep while it installs.7 .
Profit ! ! 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get an account, and start with the basics.1.
Tweak2. Testdrive3.
Tweak4. Testdrive5.
Download6. Hook up your Backpack parallel port CDROM drive, and go to sleep while it installs.7.
Profit!!1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29942728</id>
	<title>Xorg-7.5 in OpenWrt</title>
	<author>loswillios</author>
	<datestamp>1257102060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Xorg-7.5 was committed to trunk this weekend. Your issue may be fixed with that upgrade</htmltext>
<tokenext>Xorg-7.5 was committed to trunk this weekend .
Your issue may be fixed with that upgrade</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xorg-7.5 was committed to trunk this weekend.
Your issue may be fixed with that upgrade</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931619</id>
	<title>Re: A rare item.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256917500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If you're lucky..."?</p><p>A logged in Slashdot user with a UID half that of new users... Can't find a QNX demo download within the first 3 google search results for "QNX Demo"? Really?</p><p>http://qnx.projektas.lt/qnxdemo/qnx\_demo\_disk.htm</p><p>Both versions are there, the network based one and the modem/ppp based one.</p><p>I even just randomly hit a date on archive.org around the time I had an iOpener, which was when I first learned about the QNX Demo. Yes. Even that is there.</p><p>http://web.archive.org/web/20000304050206/www.qnx.com/iat/index.html</p><p>Wow. Kids, these days... Want everything done for them. Even when it involves helping someone else find something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you 're lucky... " ? A logged in Slashdot user with a UID half that of new users... Ca n't find a QNX demo download within the first 3 google search results for " QNX Demo " ?
Really ? http : //qnx.projektas.lt/qnxdemo/qnx \ _demo \ _disk.htmBoth versions are there , the network based one and the modem/ppp based one.I even just randomly hit a date on archive.org around the time I had an iOpener , which was when I first learned about the QNX Demo .
Yes. Even that is there.http : //web.archive.org/web/20000304050206/www.qnx.com/iat/index.htmlWow .
Kids , these days... Want everything done for them .
Even when it involves helping someone else find something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you're lucky..."?A logged in Slashdot user with a UID half that of new users... Can't find a QNX demo download within the first 3 google search results for "QNX Demo"?
Really?http://qnx.projektas.lt/qnxdemo/qnx\_demo\_disk.htmBoth versions are there, the network based one and the modem/ppp based one.I even just randomly hit a date on archive.org around the time I had an iOpener, which was when I first learned about the QNX Demo.
Yes. Even that is there.http://web.archive.org/web/20000304050206/www.qnx.com/iat/index.htmlWow.
Kids, these days... Want everything done for them.
Even when it involves helping someone else find something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929585</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929541</id>
	<title>Change hardware...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to get rid of that hardware, or dump it in your own personal museum...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to get rid of that hardware , or dump it in your own personal museum.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to get rid of that hardware, or dump it in your own personal museum...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933953</id>
	<title>28 Megs of RAM?</title>
	<author>he-sk</author>
	<datestamp>1256999160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's like an assload.  8 years ago, I installed a then-recent Debian on a 486 with 8 MB RAM and RAM was the limitting factor.  Calculation of the apt-get dependency tree would take hours.</p><p>You might wanna try something like that: Install a server that serves up Debian boot images, boot via your PCMCIA network card, install a Debian base system on the hard drive and then simply pull software from the network.</p><p>Or you could toss it.  That's what I'd do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's like an assload .
8 years ago , I installed a then-recent Debian on a 486 with 8 MB RAM and RAM was the limitting factor .
Calculation of the apt-get dependency tree would take hours.You might wan na try something like that : Install a server that serves up Debian boot images , boot via your PCMCIA network card , install a Debian base system on the hard drive and then simply pull software from the network.Or you could toss it .
That 's what I 'd do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's like an assload.
8 years ago, I installed a then-recent Debian on a 486 with 8 MB RAM and RAM was the limitting factor.
Calculation of the apt-get dependency tree would take hours.You might wanna try something like that: Install a server that serves up Debian boot images, boot via your PCMCIA network card, install a Debian base system on the hard drive and then simply pull software from the network.Or you could toss it.
That's what I'd do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934757</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two solutions I've used in the past for a IBM Thinkpad 166 MHZ with 80 MB of ram:<br>1 - DeliLinux - specifically designed for really old hardware  (at the time it was kind of buggy but surprisingly well made for being a 1-man show)<br>2 - Base Debian with a fluxbox interface<br>( total size of both ranged from ~ 600-1000 MB )</p><p>Both of those were pretty simple to set up.  I think one of the biggest hurdles is just getting it installed without a CD drive.  For hardware that old it may be best just to remove the HD and install it via a PC with a CD drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two solutions I 've used in the past for a IBM Thinkpad 166 MHZ with 80 MB of ram : 1 - DeliLinux - specifically designed for really old hardware ( at the time it was kind of buggy but surprisingly well made for being a 1-man show ) 2 - Base Debian with a fluxbox interface ( total size of both ranged from ~ 600-1000 MB ) Both of those were pretty simple to set up .
I think one of the biggest hurdles is just getting it installed without a CD drive .
For hardware that old it may be best just to remove the HD and install it via a PC with a CD drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two solutions I've used in the past for a IBM Thinkpad 166 MHZ with 80 MB of ram:1 - DeliLinux - specifically designed for really old hardware  (at the time it was kind of buggy but surprisingly well made for being a 1-man show)2 - Base Debian with a fluxbox interface( total size of both ranged from ~ 600-1000 MB )Both of those were pretty simple to set up.
I think one of the biggest hurdles is just getting it installed without a CD drive.
For hardware that old it may be best just to remove the HD and install it via a PC with a CD drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929859</id>
	<title>Network install?</title>
	<author>Urza9814</author>
	<datestamp>1256903640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure anymore, but I know older versions of Mandriva (Well, Mandrake - try to find 9.2 or earlier) could boot from a floppy and install over the network. I installed directly from a mirror a couple times back in the day. Worth looking into. I believe carroll.cac.psu.edu still has the files for older Mandrake distros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure anymore , but I know older versions of Mandriva ( Well , Mandrake - try to find 9.2 or earlier ) could boot from a floppy and install over the network .
I installed directly from a mirror a couple times back in the day .
Worth looking into .
I believe carroll.cac.psu.edu still has the files for older Mandrake distros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure anymore, but I know older versions of Mandriva (Well, Mandrake - try to find 9.2 or earlier) could boot from a floppy and install over the network.
I installed directly from a mirror a couple times back in the day.
Worth looking into.
I believe carroll.cac.psu.edu still has the files for older Mandrake distros.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929845</id>
	<title>BSD?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't tried this myself, but I can't imagine a minimal install would be too big.  I have installed various versions of BSD using a boot floppy and network installation, and it was always pretty painless.  (An old laptop comes to mind, though I can't remember whether it was 386/486-class or not - at most it was a pentium 90.)  I'd be more concerned about getting any gui running well in just 28mb of ram, though.  Only thing I've seen 'snappy' with that little ram would be the floppy demo of QNX, if you could find it.  But it ain't linux, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't tried this myself , but I ca n't imagine a minimal install would be too big .
I have installed various versions of BSD using a boot floppy and network installation , and it was always pretty painless .
( An old laptop comes to mind , though I ca n't remember whether it was 386/486-class or not - at most it was a pentium 90 .
) I 'd be more concerned about getting any gui running well in just 28mb of ram , though .
Only thing I 've seen 'snappy ' with that little ram would be the floppy demo of QNX , if you could find it .
But it ai n't linux , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't tried this myself, but I can't imagine a minimal install would be too big.
I have installed various versions of BSD using a boot floppy and network installation, and it was always pretty painless.
(An old laptop comes to mind, though I can't remember whether it was 386/486-class or not - at most it was a pentium 90.
)  I'd be more concerned about getting any gui running well in just 28mb of ram, though.
Only thing I've seen 'snappy' with that little ram would be the floppy demo of QNX, if you could find it.
But it ain't linux, either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929551</id>
	<title>Damn Small Linux</title>
	<author>Reyendo</author>
	<datestamp>1256901720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may be too limited, but would Damn Small LInux http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ &gt; be sufficient?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may be too limited , but would Damn Small LInux http : //www.damnsmalllinux.org/ &gt; be sufficient ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may be too limited, but would Damn Small LInux http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ &gt; be sufficient?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29942406</id>
	<title>Breadbox Ensemble?</title>
	<author>RhapsodyGuru</author>
	<datestamp>1257098640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey... try Breadbox Ensemble! It will revive any old PC! It is still in active development and may even have an application for you.

<a href="http://www.breadbox.com/" title="breadbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.breadbox.com/</a> [breadbox.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey... try Breadbox Ensemble !
It will revive any old PC !
It is still in active development and may even have an application for you .
http : //www.breadbox.com/ [ breadbox.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey... try Breadbox Ensemble!
It will revive any old PC!
It is still in active development and may even have an application for you.
http://www.breadbox.com/ [breadbox.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929945</id>
	<title>I've had experiences with a very similar system</title>
	<author>PenisLands</author>
	<datestamp>1256904180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, Linux really has become that bloated. It's possible to get stuff working, but it's incredibly slow. Getting something to install will take a lot of tweaking (for example, the debian installer will have a lot of trouble if you have less than 64MB of RAM) and tedious work. The install process takes several hours, and if something goes wrong, you usually have to start straight from the beginning again.
<br> <br>
I had Debian installed on a Toshiba 460CDT with 32MB RAM, and managed to set it up with X, networking, a window manager (icewm) and a web browser (links2). I tweaked it as much as I could, but it was still not very usable.
<br>
Recently, I installed Windows 98 on the same laptop, set progman.exe (program manager) as the shell, and k-meleon as the web browser. Now it's quite tolerable for web browsing use... and it does this while having a fully featured GUI. (and before you say anything, it has not crashed or bluescreened once yet. I've been using it for about a week for web browsing)<br> <br>
I'm a linux fan usually, but I have to admit that Linux isn't worth much on old hardware, especially very old hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Linux really has become that bloated .
It 's possible to get stuff working , but it 's incredibly slow .
Getting something to install will take a lot of tweaking ( for example , the debian installer will have a lot of trouble if you have less than 64MB of RAM ) and tedious work .
The install process takes several hours , and if something goes wrong , you usually have to start straight from the beginning again .
I had Debian installed on a Toshiba 460CDT with 32MB RAM , and managed to set it up with X , networking , a window manager ( icewm ) and a web browser ( links2 ) .
I tweaked it as much as I could , but it was still not very usable .
Recently , I installed Windows 98 on the same laptop , set progman.exe ( program manager ) as the shell , and k-meleon as the web browser .
Now it 's quite tolerable for web browsing use... and it does this while having a fully featured GUI .
( and before you say anything , it has not crashed or bluescreened once yet .
I 've been using it for about a week for web browsing ) I 'm a linux fan usually , but I have to admit that Linux is n't worth much on old hardware , especially very old hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Linux really has become that bloated.
It's possible to get stuff working, but it's incredibly slow.
Getting something to install will take a lot of tweaking (for example, the debian installer will have a lot of trouble if you have less than 64MB of RAM) and tedious work.
The install process takes several hours, and if something goes wrong, you usually have to start straight from the beginning again.
I had Debian installed on a Toshiba 460CDT with 32MB RAM, and managed to set it up with X, networking, a window manager (icewm) and a web browser (links2).
I tweaked it as much as I could, but it was still not very usable.
Recently, I installed Windows 98 on the same laptop, set progman.exe (program manager) as the shell, and k-meleon as the web browser.
Now it's quite tolerable for web browsing use... and it does this while having a fully featured GUI.
(and before you say anything, it has not crashed or bluescreened once yet.
I've been using it for about a week for web browsing) 
I'm a linux fan usually, but I have to admit that Linux isn't worth much on old hardware, especially very old hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930121</id>
	<title>minix</title>
	<author>nnet</author>
	<datestamp>1256905260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1993 called, they want their hardware back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1993 called , they want their hardware back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1993 called, they want their hardware back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930227</id>
	<title>OS/2 Warp</title>
	<author>gozar</author>
	<datestamp>1256905860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find yourself a copy of OS/2 Warp and a bunch of floppies. You can do a floppy disk install and it will give you the best graphical experience on that hardware. Of course you'll probably be stuck with Lynx to browse most sites,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find yourself a copy of OS/2 Warp and a bunch of floppies .
You can do a floppy disk install and it will give you the best graphical experience on that hardware .
Of course you 'll probably be stuck with Lynx to browse most sites,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find yourself a copy of OS/2 Warp and a bunch of floppies.
You can do a floppy disk install and it will give you the best graphical experience on that hardware.
Of course you'll probably be stuck with Lynx to browse most sites,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933747</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Boglet</author>
	<datestamp>1256997180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not just the money.

We live in a very wasteful society. Think of all the cadmium, lead, germanium, copper, gold and silver metals that have been mined, transported, refined, manufactured. The energy that has gone into the processes, not just the primary processes of manufacture, but the secondary and tertiary of transport and staff. Trying to eek out the last usage of this kind of old hardware I think is commendable.

Don't get me wrong I like modern hardware as well, but just to dispose of it without a second thought of how it might be used is wasteful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just the money .
We live in a very wasteful society .
Think of all the cadmium , lead , germanium , copper , gold and silver metals that have been mined , transported , refined , manufactured .
The energy that has gone into the processes , not just the primary processes of manufacture , but the secondary and tertiary of transport and staff .
Trying to eek out the last usage of this kind of old hardware I think is commendable .
Do n't get me wrong I like modern hardware as well , but just to dispose of it without a second thought of how it might be used is wasteful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just the money.
We live in a very wasteful society.
Think of all the cadmium, lead, germanium, copper, gold and silver metals that have been mined, transported, refined, manufactured.
The energy that has gone into the processes, not just the primary processes of manufacture, but the secondary and tertiary of transport and staff.
Trying to eek out the last usage of this kind of old hardware I think is commendable.
Don't get me wrong I like modern hardware as well, but just to dispose of it without a second thought of how it might be used is wasteful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929931</id>
	<title>PCMCIA CD-ROM or IDE Adapter</title>
	<author>oracleguy01</author>
	<datestamp>1256904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get yourself a PCMCIA CD-ROM drive for it. Though finding one might be rather difficult or expensive. Or pull the hard drive out and track down an IDE adapter. I remember being able to access laptop hard drives a little bigger than that with adapters that would convert the smaller IDE connector on the drive to a standard 40-pin connector. You could hook it up to a desktop machine, install Linux and then put it back in the laptop.</p><p>Though I have to also agree with some other people that suggest getting a newer laptop, at least one with a CD drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get yourself a PCMCIA CD-ROM drive for it .
Though finding one might be rather difficult or expensive .
Or pull the hard drive out and track down an IDE adapter .
I remember being able to access laptop hard drives a little bigger than that with adapters that would convert the smaller IDE connector on the drive to a standard 40-pin connector .
You could hook it up to a desktop machine , install Linux and then put it back in the laptop.Though I have to also agree with some other people that suggest getting a newer laptop , at least one with a CD drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get yourself a PCMCIA CD-ROM drive for it.
Though finding one might be rather difficult or expensive.
Or pull the hard drive out and track down an IDE adapter.
I remember being able to access laptop hard drives a little bigger than that with adapters that would convert the smaller IDE connector on the drive to a standard 40-pin connector.
You could hook it up to a desktop machine, install Linux and then put it back in the laptop.Though I have to also agree with some other people that suggest getting a newer laptop, at least one with a CD drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931031</id>
	<title>Read this and save yourself a lot of trouble</title>
	<author>billybob1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1256911140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me tell you what you will discover at the end of this exercise:
Computers are a LOT faster today than they were 15 years ago.

Moores law is transistor density doubles every 18 months or so which translates into a 1/2 price drop or 2x the speed or power.
This exponential progression is roughly equal to a 10x speed increase or 90\% price drop every 5 years.
Applying that to a machine that is 15 years old. That's 5+5+5 which meant it's about 1/1000 as powerful or valuable as todays machines.

1000x is a bit too much but think about any other stat of the machine...
28M x100 = 2.8GB (a decent amount of RAM for a machine these days)
750MB x 100 = 75Gb (small by todays standards)
1.44Mb drive vs Flashdrive which people literally give away these days. (floppys died for a reason - I can only assume you are too young to have experienced the frustration of losing an important document to some grit in your pocket)

Trust me - it's not worth it. (I had to resurrect a few machines myself to come to this realization)
At least start with a better machine - I'm sure you could get something better for free, put a wanted ad on craigslist or look at surplus auctions (schools sell old machines by the lot)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me tell you what you will discover at the end of this exercise : Computers are a LOT faster today than they were 15 years ago .
Moores law is transistor density doubles every 18 months or so which translates into a 1/2 price drop or 2x the speed or power .
This exponential progression is roughly equal to a 10x speed increase or 90 \ % price drop every 5 years .
Applying that to a machine that is 15 years old .
That 's 5 + 5 + 5 which meant it 's about 1/1000 as powerful or valuable as todays machines .
1000x is a bit too much but think about any other stat of the machine.. . 28M x100 = 2.8GB ( a decent amount of RAM for a machine these days ) 750MB x 100 = 75Gb ( small by todays standards ) 1.44Mb drive vs Flashdrive which people literally give away these days .
( floppys died for a reason - I can only assume you are too young to have experienced the frustration of losing an important document to some grit in your pocket ) Trust me - it 's not worth it .
( I had to resurrect a few machines myself to come to this realization ) At least start with a better machine - I 'm sure you could get something better for free , put a wanted ad on craigslist or look at surplus auctions ( schools sell old machines by the lot )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me tell you what you will discover at the end of this exercise:
Computers are a LOT faster today than they were 15 years ago.
Moores law is transistor density doubles every 18 months or so which translates into a 1/2 price drop or 2x the speed or power.
This exponential progression is roughly equal to a 10x speed increase or 90\% price drop every 5 years.
Applying that to a machine that is 15 years old.
That's 5+5+5 which meant it's about 1/1000 as powerful or valuable as todays machines.
1000x is a bit too much but think about any other stat of the machine...
28M x100 = 2.8GB (a decent amount of RAM for a machine these days)
750MB x 100 = 75Gb (small by todays standards)
1.44Mb drive vs Flashdrive which people literally give away these days.
(floppys died for a reason - I can only assume you are too young to have experienced the frustration of losing an important document to some grit in your pocket)

Trust me - it's not worth it.
(I had to resurrect a few machines myself to come to this realization)
At least start with a better machine - I'm sure you could get something better for free, put a wanted ad on craigslist or look at surplus auctions (schools sell old machines by the lot)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933045</id>
	<title>LFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what are all you guys blabbing<br>LFS, Linux From Scratch<br>If anything is not bloated, this is it. (it = what you make of it.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what are all you guys blabbingLFS , Linux From ScratchIf anything is not bloated , this is it .
( it = what you make of it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what are all you guys blabbingLFS, Linux From ScratchIf anything is not bloated, this is it.
(it = what you make of it.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929667</id>
	<title>lrn2search</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Distrowatch has an entire category for "Old Hardware" which yields the options of: Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, Tiny Core Linux, and other options.</p><p>lr2nsearch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Distrowatch has an entire category for " Old Hardware " which yields the options of : Damn Small Linux , Puppy Linux , Tiny Core Linux , and other options.lr2nsearch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Distrowatch has an entire category for "Old Hardware" which yields the options of: Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, Tiny Core Linux, and other options.lr2nsearch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930827</id>
	<title>Slackware, of course</title>
	<author>spaceyhackerlady</author>
	<datestamp>1256909580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An older version of Slackware will serve you well. Make a boot and root floppy, boot them, install. My very
first Linux box was comparable to yours, though it was a desktop, and it
ran Slackware '96 (aka Slackware 3.1) beautifully.

</p><p>Cruft is a minor consideration. If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt, Slackware makes it easy.
I view it as a construction set for making Linux boxes, instead of a pre-packaged Linux box in a can.

</p><p>No matter what you do, you are going to have to find some way of getting the distro off the CD. Slackware's
network install may be what you need.

</p><p>...laura</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An older version of Slackware will serve you well .
Make a boot and root floppy , boot them , install .
My very first Linux box was comparable to yours , though it was a desktop , and it ran Slackware '96 ( aka Slackware 3.1 ) beautifully .
Cruft is a minor consideration .
If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt , Slackware makes it easy .
I view it as a construction set for making Linux boxes , instead of a pre-packaged Linux box in a can .
No matter what you do , you are going to have to find some way of getting the distro off the CD .
Slackware 's network install may be what you need .
...laura</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An older version of Slackware will serve you well.
Make a boot and root floppy, boot them, install.
My very
first Linux box was comparable to yours, though it was a desktop, and it
ran Slackware '96 (aka Slackware 3.1) beautifully.
Cruft is a minor consideration.
If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt, Slackware makes it easy.
I view it as a construction set for making Linux boxes, instead of a pre-packaged Linux box in a can.
No matter what you do, you are going to have to find some way of getting the distro off the CD.
Slackware's
network install may be what you need.
...laura</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929969</id>
	<title>Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Runs on 486s, still.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Runs on 486s , still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Runs on 486s, still.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930131</id>
	<title>It will be slow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First time I installed Linux was on my 486DX-33 w/8MB RAM and a Trident TVGA 8900C ISA gfx card.  Console was fine, but X11 was extremely slow (Redhat).  Way slower than Win 3.11 or even Win95.  I wouldn't bother with X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First time I installed Linux was on my 486DX-33 w/8MB RAM and a Trident TVGA 8900C ISA gfx card .
Console was fine , but X11 was extremely slow ( Redhat ) .
Way slower than Win 3.11 or even Win95 .
I would n't bother with X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First time I installed Linux was on my 486DX-33 w/8MB RAM and a Trident TVGA 8900C ISA gfx card.
Console was fine, but X11 was extremely slow (Redhat).
Way slower than Win 3.11 or even Win95.
I wouldn't bother with X.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29952490</id>
	<title>It's not bloated</title>
	<author>dmsuperman</author>
	<datestamp>1257188280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not bloated, hardware has just been updated. It makes no sense to continue developing for decade-old hardware when almost nobody uses it. If you're looking to run linux on it, you certainly can, take a gander at <a href="http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs" title="linuxfromscratch.org" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs</a> [linuxfromscratch.org] and put together exactly what you want, using absurdly low amounts of disk space and memory.</p><p>If you want a desktop distro that's pre-configured, go back in time and find an old version that was created specifically for that hardware's era.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not bloated , hardware has just been updated .
It makes no sense to continue developing for decade-old hardware when almost nobody uses it .
If you 're looking to run linux on it , you certainly can , take a gander at http : //wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs [ linuxfromscratch.org ] and put together exactly what you want , using absurdly low amounts of disk space and memory.If you want a desktop distro that 's pre-configured , go back in time and find an old version that was created specifically for that hardware 's era .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not bloated, hardware has just been updated.
It makes no sense to continue developing for decade-old hardware when almost nobody uses it.
If you're looking to run linux on it, you certainly can, take a gander at http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs [linuxfromscratch.org] and put together exactly what you want, using absurdly low amounts of disk space and memory.If you want a desktop distro that's pre-configured, go back in time and find an old version that was created specifically for that hardware's era.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29938951</id>
	<title>Re:My $.02</title>
	<author>captjc</author>
	<datestamp>1257004620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SSH -X, Alpine Mail client, Pico (Nano), Midnight Commander, WindowMaker / GNUstep, Lynx, wget, BSD Games Pack, Nethack, and fortune - What more do you need?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SSH -X , Alpine Mail client , Pico ( Nano ) , Midnight Commander , WindowMaker / GNUstep , Lynx , wget , BSD Games Pack , Nethack , and fortune - What more do you need ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SSH -X, Alpine Mail client, Pico (Nano), Midnight Commander, WindowMaker / GNUstep, Lynx, wget, BSD Games Pack, Nethack, and fortune - What more do you need?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931061</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930169</id>
	<title>Debian 5</title>
	<author>reillyeon</author>
	<datestamp>1256905620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently installed Debian 5 on a Pentium 75Mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 500MB hard drive.  Debian still distributes floppy install images which include support for PCMCIA network cards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently installed Debian 5 on a Pentium 75Mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 500MB hard drive .
Debian still distributes floppy install images which include support for PCMCIA network cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently installed Debian 5 on a Pentium 75Mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 500MB hard drive.
Debian still distributes floppy install images which include support for PCMCIA network cards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931987</id>
	<title>Linux does work on a 486 just not X(XL)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256921400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a similar laptop to yours except it only has 16megs of RAM, and also a PCMCIA interface with a combo 100Mbps ethernet and 56.6k modem. Basically Slackware will work if you are able to boot from ethernet.</p><p>But recent X are so damn bloated that I seriously doubt it will even start. Apparently recent X.org versions do not support ISA video cards. So that's probably the end of it just there.</p><p>Right now I have Windows 95 and a Slackware 9.x on it (I think it used XFree86 3.3.x). I can use IceWM and some Gtk 1.2 apps, but the sucky X driver only allows for 8 bit color even though Windows 95 allows for 16 bit colour which is a huge show stopper. Also most Linux graphical programs are not designed to be used with a 640x480 or even a 800x600 resolution. You'll find yourself often with too big windows for 640x480/800x600 which is shame since Windows 95 in 640x480 works nicely. Anyway, 20 years later, X still sucks.</p><p>With Windows 95, I'm able to use Netscape Communicator 4, Paint Shop Pro and some other nice apps, even play Duke Nukem 3D and Magic: The Gathering. In Linux, you can play Doom with svgalib but that's about it.</p><p>You won't have any problems with console stuff in Linux though, even recent things. But in any event, you'll have to compile yourself a custom kernel for your hardware (and don't forget to enable the options for small systems). And no, unlike what someone said, the console will not be slow. To be able to access the HTTP config stuff of DSL modems, 'elinks' might very likely work with 24mb of RAM.</p><p>Since X absolutely sucks, it would be really cool if a Linux framebuffer driver was made to work with video cards of this time (they don't support VESA 2.0). You could use 800x600 / 256 colours and with a console window manager such as VWM it could be nice.</p><p>A distro that doesn't use GLIBC might be a good thing too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a similar laptop to yours except it only has 16megs of RAM , and also a PCMCIA interface with a combo 100Mbps ethernet and 56.6k modem .
Basically Slackware will work if you are able to boot from ethernet.But recent X are so damn bloated that I seriously doubt it will even start .
Apparently recent X.org versions do not support ISA video cards .
So that 's probably the end of it just there.Right now I have Windows 95 and a Slackware 9.x on it ( I think it used XFree86 3.3.x ) .
I can use IceWM and some Gtk 1.2 apps , but the sucky X driver only allows for 8 bit color even though Windows 95 allows for 16 bit colour which is a huge show stopper .
Also most Linux graphical programs are not designed to be used with a 640x480 or even a 800x600 resolution .
You 'll find yourself often with too big windows for 640x480/800x600 which is shame since Windows 95 in 640x480 works nicely .
Anyway , 20 years later , X still sucks.With Windows 95 , I 'm able to use Netscape Communicator 4 , Paint Shop Pro and some other nice apps , even play Duke Nukem 3D and Magic : The Gathering .
In Linux , you can play Doom with svgalib but that 's about it.You wo n't have any problems with console stuff in Linux though , even recent things .
But in any event , you 'll have to compile yourself a custom kernel for your hardware ( and do n't forget to enable the options for small systems ) .
And no , unlike what someone said , the console will not be slow .
To be able to access the HTTP config stuff of DSL modems , 'elinks ' might very likely work with 24mb of RAM.Since X absolutely sucks , it would be really cool if a Linux framebuffer driver was made to work with video cards of this time ( they do n't support VESA 2.0 ) .
You could use 800x600 / 256 colours and with a console window manager such as VWM it could be nice.A distro that does n't use GLIBC might be a good thing too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a similar laptop to yours except it only has 16megs of RAM, and also a PCMCIA interface with a combo 100Mbps ethernet and 56.6k modem.
Basically Slackware will work if you are able to boot from ethernet.But recent X are so damn bloated that I seriously doubt it will even start.
Apparently recent X.org versions do not support ISA video cards.
So that's probably the end of it just there.Right now I have Windows 95 and a Slackware 9.x on it (I think it used XFree86 3.3.x).
I can use IceWM and some Gtk 1.2 apps, but the sucky X driver only allows for 8 bit color even though Windows 95 allows for 16 bit colour which is a huge show stopper.
Also most Linux graphical programs are not designed to be used with a 640x480 or even a 800x600 resolution.
You'll find yourself often with too big windows for 640x480/800x600 which is shame since Windows 95 in 640x480 works nicely.
Anyway, 20 years later, X still sucks.With Windows 95, I'm able to use Netscape Communicator 4, Paint Shop Pro and some other nice apps, even play Duke Nukem 3D and Magic: The Gathering.
In Linux, you can play Doom with svgalib but that's about it.You won't have any problems with console stuff in Linux though, even recent things.
But in any event, you'll have to compile yourself a custom kernel for your hardware (and don't forget to enable the options for small systems).
And no, unlike what someone said, the console will not be slow.
To be able to access the HTTP config stuff of DSL modems, 'elinks' might very likely work with 24mb of RAM.Since X absolutely sucks, it would be really cool if a Linux framebuffer driver was made to work with video cards of this time (they don't support VESA 2.0).
You could use 800x600 / 256 colours and with a console window manager such as VWM it could be nice.A distro that doesn't use GLIBC might be a good thing too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929979</id>
	<title>Be strong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be strong - chuck the damn thing in the trash <i>now</i>. I know it's tempting. We've all been there. But, unless your nerdiness borders on psychopathy, any sense of achievement you derive from resurrecting that relic will be short lived, and soon replaced by the realisation that you just wasted a heap of time on something utterly pointless. While you might get a little pleasure from the process of getting it up and running, actually using such a pathetic piece of crap once you're done, when people are giving away machines orders of magnitude more powerful, would be utterly perverse. Don't do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be strong - chuck the damn thing in the trash now .
I know it 's tempting .
We 've all been there .
But , unless your nerdiness borders on psychopathy , any sense of achievement you derive from resurrecting that relic will be short lived , and soon replaced by the realisation that you just wasted a heap of time on something utterly pointless .
While you might get a little pleasure from the process of getting it up and running , actually using such a pathetic piece of crap once you 're done , when people are giving away machines orders of magnitude more powerful , would be utterly perverse .
Do n't do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be strong - chuck the damn thing in the trash now.
I know it's tempting.
We've all been there.
But, unless your nerdiness borders on psychopathy, any sense of achievement you derive from resurrecting that relic will be short lived, and soon replaced by the realisation that you just wasted a heap of time on something utterly pointless.
While you might get a little pleasure from the process of getting it up and running, actually using such a pathetic piece of crap once you're done, when people are giving away machines orders of magnitude more powerful, would be utterly perverse.
Don't do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932275</id>
	<title>Stop treating linux like an illigitimate child</title>
	<author>shovas</author>
	<datestamp>1256925660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is something I've thought about for ten years. When people try out linux, or when techies try out linux, it's always on a spare machine which is inevitably worse for specs than their windows box. Inevitably they never fully make the switch.</p><p>So many years ago I decided I would treat linux well and give it the preferred hardware. Guess what, I was much more satisfied having a great system rather than something hobbling along. The user experience was obviously a total notch up and so you get a better impression of linux because it can then do so much more.</p><p>My opinion on this particular story is that it's completely bogus to think you'll approach something you'll make significant use of with the specs we see given. When you see a garbage system, hobbling along, ask yourself, what did I actually expect to come out of this? Something almost as good as my dual-core windows desktop? Come on.</p><p>Just try it. Give linux your windows hardware and put windows on your worse, spare hardware. See how it feels when the shoe's on the other foot. Not so fun anymore.</p><p>Now, perhaps something constructive. Why bother with this old machine when you can dumpster dive for better *easily* or you could buy a sheeva plug for $99?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is something I 've thought about for ten years .
When people try out linux , or when techies try out linux , it 's always on a spare machine which is inevitably worse for specs than their windows box .
Inevitably they never fully make the switch.So many years ago I decided I would treat linux well and give it the preferred hardware .
Guess what , I was much more satisfied having a great system rather than something hobbling along .
The user experience was obviously a total notch up and so you get a better impression of linux because it can then do so much more.My opinion on this particular story is that it 's completely bogus to think you 'll approach something you 'll make significant use of with the specs we see given .
When you see a garbage system , hobbling along , ask yourself , what did I actually expect to come out of this ?
Something almost as good as my dual-core windows desktop ?
Come on.Just try it .
Give linux your windows hardware and put windows on your worse , spare hardware .
See how it feels when the shoe 's on the other foot .
Not so fun anymore.Now , perhaps something constructive .
Why bother with this old machine when you can dumpster dive for better * easily * or you could buy a sheeva plug for $ 99 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is something I've thought about for ten years.
When people try out linux, or when techies try out linux, it's always on a spare machine which is inevitably worse for specs than their windows box.
Inevitably they never fully make the switch.So many years ago I decided I would treat linux well and give it the preferred hardware.
Guess what, I was much more satisfied having a great system rather than something hobbling along.
The user experience was obviously a total notch up and so you get a better impression of linux because it can then do so much more.My opinion on this particular story is that it's completely bogus to think you'll approach something you'll make significant use of with the specs we see given.
When you see a garbage system, hobbling along, ask yourself, what did I actually expect to come out of this?
Something almost as good as my dual-core windows desktop?
Come on.Just try it.
Give linux your windows hardware and put windows on your worse, spare hardware.
See how it feels when the shoe's on the other foot.
Not so fun anymore.Now, perhaps something constructive.
Why bother with this old machine when you can dumpster dive for better *easily* or you could buy a sheeva plug for $99?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930529</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slackware was one of the great floppy-loadable distros. I don't think they break it up into floppy-sized chunks any more, but I remember all the fun of trying to install Slackware 3-point-something from floppies. The biggest problem was that HD floppies were sufficiently unreliable that I was constantly re-writing floppy disks on another machine.
</p><p>Also, Slackware was good for making minimal installs. In particular, Red Hat tried to install and enable EVERYTHING. There were so many buffer-overrun bugs (at least through Red Hat 6.x) that it wasn't even funny.
</p><p>One nice thing about Slackware was that you could start up from a boot floppy, then you would have enough of Linux running from a ramdisk that you could format your hard drive and start copying each install floppy to the hard disk before even starting. If you have a network card with a supported driver, you can even copy the rest of the distro over via FTP. By installing from the hard disk, you avoid any problems with disk errors on the floppy disks. As long as your hard disk is big enough, this is the best way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slackware was one of the great floppy-loadable distros .
I do n't think they break it up into floppy-sized chunks any more , but I remember all the fun of trying to install Slackware 3-point-something from floppies .
The biggest problem was that HD floppies were sufficiently unreliable that I was constantly re-writing floppy disks on another machine .
Also , Slackware was good for making minimal installs .
In particular , Red Hat tried to install and enable EVERYTHING .
There were so many buffer-overrun bugs ( at least through Red Hat 6.x ) that it was n't even funny .
One nice thing about Slackware was that you could start up from a boot floppy , then you would have enough of Linux running from a ramdisk that you could format your hard drive and start copying each install floppy to the hard disk before even starting .
If you have a network card with a supported driver , you can even copy the rest of the distro over via FTP .
By installing from the hard disk , you avoid any problems with disk errors on the floppy disks .
As long as your hard disk is big enough , this is the best way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slackware was one of the great floppy-loadable distros.
I don't think they break it up into floppy-sized chunks any more, but I remember all the fun of trying to install Slackware 3-point-something from floppies.
The biggest problem was that HD floppies were sufficiently unreliable that I was constantly re-writing floppy disks on another machine.
Also, Slackware was good for making minimal installs.
In particular, Red Hat tried to install and enable EVERYTHING.
There were so many buffer-overrun bugs (at least through Red Hat 6.x) that it wasn't even funny.
One nice thing about Slackware was that you could start up from a boot floppy, then you would have enough of Linux running from a ramdisk that you could format your hard drive and start copying each install floppy to the hard disk before even starting.
If you have a network card with a supported driver, you can even copy the rest of the distro over via FTP.
By installing from the hard disk, you avoid any problems with disk errors on the floppy disks.
As long as your hard disk is big enough, this is the best way to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930607</id>
	<title>First install from floppy, then experiment</title>
	<author>m6ack</author>
	<datestamp>1256908020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's distributions that boot from floppy:

<a href="http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#floppy" title="distrowatch.com" rel="nofollow">http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#floppy</a> [distrowatch.com]
<a href="http://bootdisk.com/linux.htm" title="bootdisk.com" rel="nofollow">http://bootdisk.com/linux.htm</a> [bootdisk.com]

Then, you can install whatever you want via PPPoE.\:

<a href="http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en</a> [debian.org]
<a href="http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html" title="herbert.free.fr" rel="nofollow">http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html</a> [herbert.free.fr]

Here's some recommendations from a 486'er:

<a href="http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html" title="ipt.ntnu.no" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html</a> [ipt.ntnu.no]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's distributions that boot from floppy : http : //distrowatch.com/dwres.php ? resource = links # floppy [ distrowatch.com ] http : //bootdisk.com/linux.htm [ bootdisk.com ] Then , you can install whatever you want via PPPoE. \ : http : //www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en [ debian.org ] http : //marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html [ herbert.free.fr ] Here 's some recommendations from a 486'er : http : //www.ipt.ntnu.no/ ~ knutb/linux486/linux486.html [ ipt.ntnu.no ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's distributions that boot from floppy:

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#floppy [distrowatch.com]
http://bootdisk.com/linux.htm [bootdisk.com]

Then, you can install whatever you want via PPPoE.\:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en [debian.org]
http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html [herbert.free.fr]

Here's some recommendations from a 486'er:

http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html [ipt.ntnu.no]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933079</id>
	<title>Different project, maybe?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would say forget using it as a regular system, it's just going to be painful to use a browser on, especially when you already have other stuff. I would suggest installing NetBSD (4mb minimum memory requirements, 8mb for X11) and a slideshow screensaver so you can use it as a digital photo frame. Alternatively you could use something like conky to use it as a live monitoring station for your network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say forget using it as a regular system , it 's just going to be painful to use a browser on , especially when you already have other stuff .
I would suggest installing NetBSD ( 4mb minimum memory requirements , 8mb for X11 ) and a slideshow screensaver so you can use it as a digital photo frame .
Alternatively you could use something like conky to use it as a live monitoring station for your network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say forget using it as a regular system, it's just going to be painful to use a browser on, especially when you already have other stuff.
I would suggest installing NetBSD (4mb minimum memory requirements, 8mb for X11) and a slideshow screensaver so you can use it as a digital photo frame.
Alternatively you could use something like conky to use it as a live monitoring station for your network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929899</id>
	<title>tomsrtbt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reasoned you can't find a non-bloated distro is probably because you are searching for the terms 'desktop distribution'</p><p>http://www.toms.net/rb/</p><p>Fits on a floppy.<br>But you'll need an internet connection to install anything - by default AFAIK all it can do is bash work.  To install packages you'd either have to compile every single one or just compile an apt-get or similar system to use.</p><p>http://www.puppylinux.org/<br>Needs a cd-drive or USB-port however!<br>~100mb big it is known to work on hardware with only 32 megs of ram.  Contains Xvesa and Xorg servers with a million and one programs already installed that allow you to do anything out of the box.  Puplets (community variations) are also available that are both smaller (ie barebones) or bigger.</p><p>Also see http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reasoned you ca n't find a non-bloated distro is probably because you are searching for the terms 'desktop distribution'http : //www.toms.net/rb/Fits on a floppy.But you 'll need an internet connection to install anything - by default AFAIK all it can do is bash work .
To install packages you 'd either have to compile every single one or just compile an apt-get or similar system to use.http : //www.puppylinux.org/Needs a cd-drive or USB-port however ! ~ 100mb big it is known to work on hardware with only 32 megs of ram .
Contains Xvesa and Xorg servers with a million and one programs already installed that allow you to do anything out of the box .
Puplets ( community variations ) are also available that are both smaller ( ie barebones ) or bigger.Also see http : //www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reasoned you can't find a non-bloated distro is probably because you are searching for the terms 'desktop distribution'http://www.toms.net/rb/Fits on a floppy.But you'll need an internet connection to install anything - by default AFAIK all it can do is bash work.
To install packages you'd either have to compile every single one or just compile an apt-get or similar system to use.http://www.puppylinux.org/Needs a cd-drive or USB-port however!~100mb big it is known to work on hardware with only 32 megs of ram.
Contains Xvesa and Xorg servers with a million and one programs already installed that allow you to do anything out of the box.
Puplets (community variations) are also available that are both smaller (ie barebones) or bigger.Also see http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930769</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>crispytwo</author>
	<datestamp>1256909100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would donate it to www.willitblend.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would donate it to www.willitblend.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would donate it to www.willitblend.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29946136</id>
	<title>Re:My $.02</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1257085560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009:</p></div><p>I was going to say <a href="http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail119.html" title="homestarrunner.com">start a blog,</a> [homestarrunner.com] but alas you need a <a href="http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html" title="homestarrunner.com">newer machine</a> [homestarrunner.com] for that these days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009 : I was going to say start a blog , [ homestarrunner.com ] but alas you need a newer machine [ homestarrunner.com ] for that these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009:I was going to say start a blog, [homestarrunner.com] but alas you need a newer machine [homestarrunner.com] for that these days.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933143</id>
	<title>Not linux, but another option</title>
	<author>pestilence669</author>
	<datestamp>1256986680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An old copy of BeOS will boot graphically off of a single floppy disk and will definitely outperform any other operating system from that era. No security patches are ever needed, because hardly anyone ever heard of it. Security through obscurity. There's still fledgling support from die hard fans and an open source clone progressing nicely.

You can find R5 &amp; boot floppy images online. It really does scream on hardware like yours. Should boot in around 20 seconds. It even has a UNIX-like shell.

Once upon a time, it was my primary O/S. The 64-bit filesystem never corrupted and it could push a quad Pentium Pro box to near 100\% utilization. Nothing has ever matched its multithreading nor its responsiveness since. I was sad to see it go. Coding for it was a dream too... assuming you like C++ more than C.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An old copy of BeOS will boot graphically off of a single floppy disk and will definitely outperform any other operating system from that era .
No security patches are ever needed , because hardly anyone ever heard of it .
Security through obscurity .
There 's still fledgling support from die hard fans and an open source clone progressing nicely .
You can find R5 &amp; boot floppy images online .
It really does scream on hardware like yours .
Should boot in around 20 seconds .
It even has a UNIX-like shell .
Once upon a time , it was my primary O/S .
The 64-bit filesystem never corrupted and it could push a quad Pentium Pro box to near 100 \ % utilization .
Nothing has ever matched its multithreading nor its responsiveness since .
I was sad to see it go .
Coding for it was a dream too... assuming you like C + + more than C .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An old copy of BeOS will boot graphically off of a single floppy disk and will definitely outperform any other operating system from that era.
No security patches are ever needed, because hardly anyone ever heard of it.
Security through obscurity.
There's still fledgling support from die hard fans and an open source clone progressing nicely.
You can find R5 &amp; boot floppy images online.
It really does scream on hardware like yours.
Should boot in around 20 seconds.
It even has a UNIX-like shell.
Once upon a time, it was my primary O/S.
The 64-bit filesystem never corrupted and it could push a quad Pentium Pro box to near 100\% utilization.
Nothing has ever matched its multithreading nor its responsiveness since.
I was sad to see it go.
Coding for it was a dream too... assuming you like C++ more than C.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930109</id>
	<title>way back in the day</title>
	<author>snooo53</author>
	<datestamp>1256905200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way back in the day I used to browse the web on an IBM 8086 with 640k of ram, using something similar to Lynx.  I know there are versions out there for DOS so a 486 should be plenty.  Not sure though how well they handle the web code on more "modern" sites crapped up with php, flash and css.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way back in the day I used to browse the web on an IBM 8086 with 640k of ram , using something similar to Lynx .
I know there are versions out there for DOS so a 486 should be plenty .
Not sure though how well they handle the web code on more " modern " sites crapped up with php , flash and css .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way back in the day I used to browse the web on an IBM 8086 with 640k of ram, using something similar to Lynx.
I know there are versions out there for DOS so a 486 should be plenty.
Not sure though how well they handle the web code on more "modern" sites crapped up with php, flash and css.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929907</id>
	<title>deja vu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hey i went thru this a few months ago. a laptop w/ a 100 mhz pentium 1, 24 MB of SDRAM in a non some weird looking non SODIMM format. about a 500mb of hard drive space, a singular modular bay with a floppy drive module, an extended battery module, and a cdrom module. serial, parallel, and pcmcia slot but no usb. It came w/ a pcmcia 802.11b wifi adapter but no ethernet adaptor.</p><p>I tried ubuntu 9.04, tomsrbt, dsl, and puppy. funny enough  i had the most luck w/ ubuntu. It was the most hardware compatible and i was able to perform a bare minimal console only install. it would boot up  and i could log in but it only had a few KB of memory free so trying to do much of anything would send it thrashing. I dont really remeber what the issue w/ puppy was but tomsrbt and dsl both there were hardware compatibility issues that kept me from installing.</p><p>After I got bored with it, I tried unsuccessfully to give it away so it eventually found its way into the dumpster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hey i went thru this a few months ago .
a laptop w/ a 100 mhz pentium 1 , 24 MB of SDRAM in a non some weird looking non SODIMM format .
about a 500mb of hard drive space , a singular modular bay with a floppy drive module , an extended battery module , and a cdrom module .
serial , parallel , and pcmcia slot but no usb .
It came w/ a pcmcia 802.11b wifi adapter but no ethernet adaptor.I tried ubuntu 9.04 , tomsrbt , dsl , and puppy .
funny enough i had the most luck w/ ubuntu .
It was the most hardware compatible and i was able to perform a bare minimal console only install .
it would boot up and i could log in but it only had a few KB of memory free so trying to do much of anything would send it thrashing .
I dont really remeber what the issue w/ puppy was but tomsrbt and dsl both there were hardware compatibility issues that kept me from installing.After I got bored with it , I tried unsuccessfully to give it away so it eventually found its way into the dumpster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hey i went thru this a few months ago.
a laptop w/ a 100 mhz pentium 1, 24 MB of SDRAM in a non some weird looking non SODIMM format.
about a 500mb of hard drive space, a singular modular bay with a floppy drive module, an extended battery module, and a cdrom module.
serial, parallel, and pcmcia slot but no usb.
It came w/ a pcmcia 802.11b wifi adapter but no ethernet adaptor.I tried ubuntu 9.04, tomsrbt, dsl, and puppy.
funny enough  i had the most luck w/ ubuntu.
It was the most hardware compatible and i was able to perform a bare minimal console only install.
it would boot up  and i could log in but it only had a few KB of memory free so trying to do much of anything would send it thrashing.
I dont really remeber what the issue w/ puppy was but tomsrbt and dsl both there were hardware compatibility issues that kept me from installing.After I got bored with it, I tried unsuccessfully to give it away so it eventually found its way into the dumpster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932931</id>
	<title>Stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dear slashdot, I have an old punchcard based machine that I'd like to resurrect so I can run dillo and some xterms but I can find punch cards for ubuntu. Has Linux really gotten so bloated that it can't run from punch cards? I though it was supposed to run on old hardware?  It's not as though my expectation of running a
modern Linux distro on hardware less powerful than my cheap cell phone is unrealistic, are they?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear slashdot , I have an old punchcard based machine that I 'd like to resurrect so I can run dillo and some xterms but I can find punch cards for ubuntu .
Has Linux really gotten so bloated that it ca n't run from punch cards ?
I though it was supposed to run on old hardware ?
It 's not as though my expectation of running a modern Linux distro on hardware less powerful than my cheap cell phone is unrealistic , are they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear slashdot, I have an old punchcard based machine that I'd like to resurrect so I can run dillo and some xterms but I can find punch cards for ubuntu.
Has Linux really gotten so bloated that it can't run from punch cards?
I though it was supposed to run on old hardware?
It's not as though my expectation of running a
modern Linux distro on hardware less powerful than my cheap cell phone is unrealistic, are they?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930593</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>bigstrat2003</author>
	<datestamp>1256907840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $100 -- at that price point it's a disposable item.</p></div><p>WTF!?</p><p>Sorry, but something that costs $100 isn't a disposable item, it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money. Our currency hasn't become that inflated yet...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $ 100 -- at that price point it 's a disposable item.WTF !
? Sorry , but something that costs $ 100 is n't a disposable item , it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money .
Our currency has n't become that inflated yet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $100 -- at that price point it's a disposable item.WTF!
?Sorry, but something that costs $100 isn't a disposable item, it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money.
Our currency hasn't become that inflated yet...
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932729</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1257021060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That for low power consumption you should instead be using an ARM cpu.</p><p>Heck, the hardware will be much cheaper too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That for low power consumption you should instead be using an ARM cpu.Heck , the hardware will be much cheaper too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That for low power consumption you should instead be using an ARM cpu.Heck, the hardware will be much cheaper too.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933851</id>
	<title>OpenBSD</title>
	<author>Spit</author>
	<datestamp>1256998260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenBSD should boot and run on that. I can't remember if they're still shipping XFree86 along with X.org but it wasn't so long ago they were. Don't expect to do anything useful with it in X, unless you're willing to run an old version of Netscape or something. Maybe Dillo will run.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenBSD should boot and run on that .
I ca n't remember if they 're still shipping XFree86 along with X.org but it was n't so long ago they were .
Do n't expect to do anything useful with it in X , unless you 're willing to run an old version of Netscape or something .
Maybe Dillo will run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenBSD should boot and run on that.
I can't remember if they're still shipping XFree86 along with X.org but it wasn't so long ago they were.
Don't expect to do anything useful with it in X, unless you're willing to run an old version of Netscape or something.
Maybe Dillo will run.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929537</id>
	<title>When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find a distro from the same era.  Redhat 2.1 (and I'm not talking redhat enterprise 2.1) circa 1995 will install and give you an X environment.  Maybe even good old 3.03 would fit the bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find a distro from the same era .
Redhat 2.1 ( and I 'm not talking redhat enterprise 2.1 ) circa 1995 will install and give you an X environment .
Maybe even good old 3.03 would fit the bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find a distro from the same era.
Redhat 2.1 (and I'm not talking redhat enterprise 2.1) circa 1995 will install and give you an X environment.
Maybe even good old 3.03 would fit the bill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930697</id>
	<title>Without X?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last time I used dillo, it was OK but the experience was reminiscent of a text-based browser (except that dillo rendered some images). Do you really need dillo, or would a browser like elinks cover your needs? If you can get rid of X, then I think there will be a number of more current options open to you.<br>http://elinks.or.cz/<br>Alternate distro perhaps not yet mentioned :<br>http://minimalinux.org/ttylinux/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time I used dillo , it was OK but the experience was reminiscent of a text-based browser ( except that dillo rendered some images ) .
Do you really need dillo , or would a browser like elinks cover your needs ?
If you can get rid of X , then I think there will be a number of more current options open to you.http : //elinks.or.cz/Alternate distro perhaps not yet mentioned : http : //minimalinux.org/ttylinux/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time I used dillo, it was OK but the experience was reminiscent of a text-based browser (except that dillo rendered some images).
Do you really need dillo, or would a browser like elinks cover your needs?
If you can get rid of X, then I think there will be a number of more current options open to you.http://elinks.or.cz/Alternate distro perhaps not yet mentioned :http://minimalinux.org/ttylinux/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935693</id>
	<title>use bsd without a GUI</title>
	<author>karlzt</author>
	<datestamp>1257014940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>use BSD without GUI and you're fine</htmltext>
<tokenext>use BSD without GUI and you 're fine</tokentext>
<sentencetext>use BSD without GUI and you're fine</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29950162</id>
	<title>Memory cheap...</title>
	<author>rkhalloran</author>
	<datestamp>1257177060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're determined to resurrect this hardware, for $15 you could add a 128 Mb stick of PC100 memory from Newegg, then any of a number of compact distros mentioned above become straightforward to support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're determined to resurrect this hardware , for $ 15 you could add a 128 Mb stick of PC100 memory from Newegg , then any of a number of compact distros mentioned above become straightforward to support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're determined to resurrect this hardware, for $15 you could add a 128 Mb stick of PC100 memory from Newegg, then any of a number of compact distros mentioned above become straightforward to support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929999</id>
	<title>A fully functional, OS that's VERY lean &amp; clea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenBSD  - www.openbsd.org you'll have a fully functional OS, with no bloat and will run really well on that system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenBSD - www.openbsd.org you 'll have a fully functional OS , with no bloat and will run really well on that system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenBSD  - www.openbsd.org you'll have a fully functional OS, with no bloat and will run really well on that system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935263</id>
	<title>Lots of good suggestions for distros</title>
	<author>jnork</author>
	<datestamp>1257010980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and possibly somebody already mentioned this but this is about how to get the OS onto the hard drive when you can't boot off the install media.</p><p>One of the nice things about Linux is the ability to install on one machine and run on another. I've done it a number of times and I'm thinking of doing it again... it's actually a Celeron-based system, but does not have CD nor boot from Flash drive. But all I have to do is put the drive on a machine that does, and do the install there.</p><p>Of course it means that I need an adaptor to install a laptop ATA drive on a desktop machine, but those are cheap. (Or a newer laptop with the same drive interface, I've done that too.) It also means you need to make sure nothing gets installed that requires a newer processor. Any hardware auto-detection may require tweaks later (usually network cards). It's not a perfect solution, but it's worked well for me many times and saved me having to figure out how to do installs using floppies. *shudder*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and possibly somebody already mentioned this but this is about how to get the OS onto the hard drive when you ca n't boot off the install media.One of the nice things about Linux is the ability to install on one machine and run on another .
I 've done it a number of times and I 'm thinking of doing it again... it 's actually a Celeron-based system , but does not have CD nor boot from Flash drive .
But all I have to do is put the drive on a machine that does , and do the install there.Of course it means that I need an adaptor to install a laptop ATA drive on a desktop machine , but those are cheap .
( Or a newer laptop with the same drive interface , I 've done that too .
) It also means you need to make sure nothing gets installed that requires a newer processor .
Any hardware auto-detection may require tweaks later ( usually network cards ) .
It 's not a perfect solution , but it 's worked well for me many times and saved me having to figure out how to do installs using floppies .
* shudder *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and possibly somebody already mentioned this but this is about how to get the OS onto the hard drive when you can't boot off the install media.One of the nice things about Linux is the ability to install on one machine and run on another.
I've done it a number of times and I'm thinking of doing it again... it's actually a Celeron-based system, but does not have CD nor boot from Flash drive.
But all I have to do is put the drive on a machine that does, and do the install there.Of course it means that I need an adaptor to install a laptop ATA drive on a desktop machine, but those are cheap.
(Or a newer laptop with the same drive interface, I've done that too.
) It also means you need to make sure nothing gets installed that requires a newer processor.
Any hardware auto-detection may require tweaks later (usually network cards).
It's not a perfect solution, but it's worked well for me many times and saved me having to figure out how to do installs using floppies.
*shudder*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933589</id>
	<title>Re:tomsrtbt</title>
	<author>cyrano.mac</author>
	<datestamp>1256995800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.toms.net/rb/" title="toms.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.toms.net/rb/</a> [toms.net]

Only one dl link (Ibibilio) still works...

Seems to be abandoned, bur it's still interesting, as it provides a boor floppy with network support, wich opens a zillion other possibilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.toms.net/rb/ [ toms.net ] Only one dl link ( Ibibilio ) still works.. . Seems to be abandoned , bur it 's still interesting , as it provides a boor floppy with network support , wich opens a zillion other possibilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.toms.net/rb/ [toms.net]

Only one dl link (Ibibilio) still works...

Seems to be abandoned, bur it's still interesting, as it provides a boor floppy with network support, wich opens a zillion other possibilities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929547</id>
	<title>Older Distros</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll be looking at older distros.  I certainly had X running on that kind of hardware back in the day through Slackware, and all its versions can still.  We're talking a machine from the mid-1990s, so you'd be looking at Slackware 3 or 4 or something like that.  You could try the older versions of Debian if they're still around, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll be looking at older distros .
I certainly had X running on that kind of hardware back in the day through Slackware , and all its versions can still .
We 're talking a machine from the mid-1990s , so you 'd be looking at Slackware 3 or 4 or something like that .
You could try the older versions of Debian if they 're still around , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll be looking at older distros.
I certainly had X running on that kind of hardware back in the day through Slackware, and all its versions can still.
We're talking a machine from the mid-1990s, so you'd be looking at Slackware 3 or 4 or something like that.
You could try the older versions of Debian if they're still around, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930707</id>
	<title>openembedded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openembedded, it's a bit like gentoo (based off it actually) but it compiles 486 environment fine (e.g. for soekris devices) and X works fine (e,.g. on phones and such devices)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openembedded , it 's a bit like gentoo ( based off it actually ) but it compiles 486 environment fine ( e.g .
for soekris devices ) and X works fine ( e,.g .
on phones and such devices )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openembedded, it's a bit like gentoo (based off it actually) but it compiles 486 environment fine (e.g.
for soekris devices) and X works fine (e,.g.
on phones and such devices)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931151</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1256912580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC.</p></div></blockquote><p>Many people have a higher opinion of the value of their time than your employer.  I, however, get paid well, often enough, precisely because I'm good at fiddling with underpowered secondhand PCs...</p><p>Sure, it takes a bit more time and effort to get a nice, clean, tuned and optimized installation, rather than instal and run at startup every bit of unnecessary crap software on the planet.  But compare the cost of a used Pentium-2 PC in quantities, with bulk trucking rates, to that of a nice new system...  (Hmm...  $50 vs $300)  and then multiply that across 1,000 stations.  Then consider just how much horsepower you really need to run that terminal emulator and a couple simple business apps written 15 years ago...</p><p>Yes, at a quarter-million USD, the price difference is certainly enough to pay even a very highly-paid IT pro for a full YEAR of "tinkering".  Never mind a small horde of PC Techs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC.Many people have a higher opinion of the value of their time than your employer .
I , however , get paid well , often enough , precisely because I 'm good at fiddling with underpowered secondhand PCs...Sure , it takes a bit more time and effort to get a nice , clean , tuned and optimized installation , rather than instal and run at startup every bit of unnecessary crap software on the planet .
But compare the cost of a used Pentium-2 PC in quantities , with bulk trucking rates , to that of a nice new system... ( Hmm... $ 50 vs $ 300 ) and then multiply that across 1,000 stations .
Then consider just how much horsepower you really need to run that terminal emulator and a couple simple business apps written 15 years ago...Yes , at a quarter-million USD , the price difference is certainly enough to pay even a very highly-paid IT pro for a full YEAR of " tinkering " .
Never mind a small horde of PC Techs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC.Many people have a higher opinion of the value of their time than your employer.
I, however, get paid well, often enough, precisely because I'm good at fiddling with underpowered secondhand PCs...Sure, it takes a bit more time and effort to get a nice, clean, tuned and optimized installation, rather than instal and run at startup every bit of unnecessary crap software on the planet.
But compare the cost of a used Pentium-2 PC in quantities, with bulk trucking rates, to that of a nice new system...  (Hmm...  $50 vs $300)  and then multiply that across 1,000 stations.
Then consider just how much horsepower you really need to run that terminal emulator and a couple simple business apps written 15 years ago...Yes, at a quarter-million USD, the price difference is certainly enough to pay even a very highly-paid IT pro for a full YEAR of "tinkering".
Never mind a small horde of PC Techs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933311</id>
	<title>Tweak Firefox</title>
	<author>Britz</author>
	<datestamp>1256990400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you want a browser, you probabely have a choice between w3m, lynx, links, elinks or some very inadequate X11 browser. I don't know if Dillo is up to the task of displaying current webpages in a proper way.</p><p>You should look at older versions of Opera (they have an archive). Some run on very low spec hardware and also check out how much you can tweak a current version of Firefox to run on those very low specs.</p><p>Since someone suggested Debian, please make sure it is compiled for i486. Some distros nowadays compile for the Pentium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you want a browser , you probabely have a choice between w3m , lynx , links , elinks or some very inadequate X11 browser .
I do n't know if Dillo is up to the task of displaying current webpages in a proper way.You should look at older versions of Opera ( they have an archive ) .
Some run on very low spec hardware and also check out how much you can tweak a current version of Firefox to run on those very low specs.Since someone suggested Debian , please make sure it is compiled for i486 .
Some distros nowadays compile for the Pentium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you want a browser, you probabely have a choice between w3m, lynx, links, elinks or some very inadequate X11 browser.
I don't know if Dillo is up to the task of displaying current webpages in a proper way.You should look at older versions of Opera (they have an archive).
Some run on very low spec hardware and also check out how much you can tweak a current version of Firefox to run on those very low specs.Since someone suggested Debian, please make sure it is compiled for i486.
Some distros nowadays compile for the Pentium.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932885</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>lucas teh geek</author>
	<datestamp>1256981460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm only a jr software dev but I make more money than that before lunch each day. Are you still at uni or something?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm only a jr software dev but I make more money than that before lunch each day .
Are you still at uni or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm only a jr software dev but I make more money than that before lunch each day.
Are you still at uni or something?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930593</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</id>
	<title>WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM" when this obvious question popped into my mind: WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE? Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets. You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days. Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points, perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there. Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware, if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else. Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind. I realize that this does not help with your original question, I just felt compelled to point out the obvious.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I barely got passed " 486MHz CPU , 28 MB of RAM " when this obvious question popped into my mind : WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE ?
Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets .
You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days .
Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points , perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there .
Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware , if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else .
Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind .
I realize that this does not help with your original question , I just felt compelled to point out the obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM" when this obvious question popped into my mind: WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?
Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets.
You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days.
Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points, perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there.
Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware, if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else.
Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind.
I realize that this does not help with your original question, I just felt compelled to point out the obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929745</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Sometimes though, it's fun to do something "just because". A lot of people doing this have dug up dad's old work laptop out of the attic/basement during fall break and are desperately looking for something to do. In high school, getting linux running on any sort of ancient mobile device gives you serious geek cred. I remember back in high school some guy had found (and got working!) and TRS-80 portable that ran on something like 15 D cell batteries, and could dial home to his linux box using it. I had a laptop I attempted installing Deli linux on. It seems the main problem with these older computers is finding working floppy drives. But when you're 15, broke, single, and a nerd, you make do with the hardware you have.<br>
&nbsp; <br>That said, there is some incredible server hardware (like you said, P3 and above) 1 and 2U rackmount servers with dual processors on craigslist for less than $120 usually. This is in Dallas, YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Sometimes though , it 's fun to do something " just because " .
A lot of people doing this have dug up dad 's old work laptop out of the attic/basement during fall break and are desperately looking for something to do .
In high school , getting linux running on any sort of ancient mobile device gives you serious geek cred .
I remember back in high school some guy had found ( and got working !
) and TRS-80 portable that ran on something like 15 D cell batteries , and could dial home to his linux box using it .
I had a laptop I attempted installing Deli linux on .
It seems the main problem with these older computers is finding working floppy drives .
But when you 're 15 , broke , single , and a nerd , you make do with the hardware you have .
  That said , there is some incredible server hardware ( like you said , P3 and above ) 1 and 2U rackmount servers with dual processors on craigslist for less than $ 120 usually .
This is in Dallas , YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Sometimes though, it's fun to do something "just because".
A lot of people doing this have dug up dad's old work laptop out of the attic/basement during fall break and are desperately looking for something to do.
In high school, getting linux running on any sort of ancient mobile device gives you serious geek cred.
I remember back in high school some guy had found (and got working!
) and TRS-80 portable that ran on something like 15 D cell batteries, and could dial home to his linux box using it.
I had a laptop I attempted installing Deli linux on.
It seems the main problem with these older computers is finding working floppy drives.
But when you're 15, broke, single, and a nerd, you make do with the hardware you have.
  That said, there is some incredible server hardware (like you said, P3 and above) 1 and 2U rackmount servers with dual processors on craigslist for less than $120 usually.
This is in Dallas, YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931391</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>aled</author>
	<datestamp>1256915160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My P3 512MB RAM home PC still works reasonable well for its age. How old are 9 years in computers years?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My P3 512MB RAM home PC still works reasonable well for its age .
How old are 9 years in computers years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My P3 512MB RAM home PC still works reasonable well for its age.
How old are 9 years in computers years?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933797</id>
	<title>power consumption?</title>
	<author>NeoStrider\_BZK</author>
	<datestamp>1256997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TCO says you should get a newer machine. Not necessarily a NEW machine, but at least a pentium (4.99999-86).<br>And c'mon, what would be the use of dillo these days? I tried it for a while in my EeePC 700 2G and it was mostly useless. The web today is (unfortunaly) too dynamic for it.</p><p>(And trust me, Im into embedded computing and "I just want whats enough for me" trends)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TCO says you should get a newer machine .
Not necessarily a NEW machine , but at least a pentium ( 4.99999-86 ) .And c'mon , what would be the use of dillo these days ?
I tried it for a while in my EeePC 700 2G and it was mostly useless .
The web today is ( unfortunaly ) too dynamic for it .
( And trust me , Im into embedded computing and " I just want whats enough for me " trends )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TCO says you should get a newer machine.
Not necessarily a NEW machine, but at least a pentium (4.99999-86).And c'mon, what would be the use of dillo these days?
I tried it for a while in my EeePC 700 2G and it was mostly useless.
The web today is (unfortunaly) too dynamic for it.
(And trust me, Im into embedded computing and "I just want whats enough for me" trends)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930611</id>
	<title>Other operating systems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should probably be looking at other operating systems. Check out Kolibri (not sure if it runs without a CD to install) or FreeDOS (which comes with floppy images). Both will fit in a very small space and will provide a graphical desktop with about 10MB of RAM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should probably be looking at other operating systems .
Check out Kolibri ( not sure if it runs without a CD to install ) or FreeDOS ( which comes with floppy images ) .
Both will fit in a very small space and will provide a graphical desktop with about 10MB of RAM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should probably be looking at other operating systems.
Check out Kolibri (not sure if it runs without a CD to install) or FreeDOS (which comes with floppy images).
Both will fit in a very small space and will provide a graphical desktop with about 10MB of RAM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931267</id>
	<title>Re:Change hardware...</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1256913840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever modded this up needs too turn in their geek card.  Now.</p><p>An anonymous coward being this ignorant I can tolerate but for a mod to agree with this is a crime against all that slashdot once was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever modded this up needs too turn in their geek card .
Now.An anonymous coward being this ignorant I can tolerate but for a mod to agree with this is a crime against all that slashdot once was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever modded this up needs too turn in their geek card.
Now.An anonymous coward being this ignorant I can tolerate but for a mod to agree with this is a crime against all that slashdot once was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930113</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1256905260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So says someone named after a game from 1972.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So says someone named after a game from 1972 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So says someone named after a game from 1972.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930399</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is wrong with a distro MADE to run on that old a hardware like <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/network-install.html" title="damnsmalllinux.org">DSL</a> [damnsmalllinux.org]? Here is a walkthrough which will show him how to network install DSL using a machine with similar weak specs and a PCMCIA card.</p><p>

 For what he wants DSL should give him a nice experience, although 28Mb of RAM is pretty shitty, surely he could pick up a cheap stick that'll fit the thing from eBay? But otherwise it sounds like what he wants is DSL. I have run it on some truly old an shitty hardware to make 'one off" appliances out of (my personal lowest was a 200Mhz with 64Mb of RAM and a 2Gb HDD. With DSL and Gnumeric it made a great little bookkeeping box) and for an older laptop like that straight DSL should work just fine, although again I would see about putting a cheap stick in there to kick it up to 64Mb. Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is wrong with a distro MADE to run on that old a hardware like DSL [ damnsmalllinux.org ] ?
Here is a walkthrough which will show him how to network install DSL using a machine with similar weak specs and a PCMCIA card .
For what he wants DSL should give him a nice experience , although 28Mb of RAM is pretty shitty , surely he could pick up a cheap stick that 'll fit the thing from eBay ?
But otherwise it sounds like what he wants is DSL .
I have run it on some truly old an shitty hardware to make 'one off " appliances out of ( my personal lowest was a 200Mhz with 64Mb of RAM and a 2Gb HDD .
With DSL and Gnumeric it made a great little bookkeeping box ) and for an older laptop like that straight DSL should work just fine , although again I would see about putting a cheap stick in there to kick it up to 64Mb .
Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is wrong with a distro MADE to run on that old a hardware like DSL [damnsmalllinux.org]?
Here is a walkthrough which will show him how to network install DSL using a machine with similar weak specs and a PCMCIA card.
For what he wants DSL should give him a nice experience, although 28Mb of RAM is pretty shitty, surely he could pick up a cheap stick that'll fit the thing from eBay?
But otherwise it sounds like what he wants is DSL.
I have run it on some truly old an shitty hardware to make 'one off" appliances out of (my personal lowest was a 200Mhz with 64Mb of RAM and a 2Gb HDD.
With DSL and Gnumeric it made a great little bookkeeping box) and for an older laptop like that straight DSL should work just fine, although again I would see about putting a cheap stick in there to kick it up to 64Mb.
Good luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931115</id>
	<title>SCO</title>
	<author>hierofalcon</author>
	<datestamp>1256912100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See if you can find someone with Santa Cruz Operation OpenServer or similar. I know there is much hate and loathing on Slashdot with them and when applied to management it is completely deserved. But they make a X based Unix distro which runs very well on old small low horsepower hardware. Or at least they used to. Back in the dark ages. Course you might not be able to find anyone with the license keys anymore. Still - it'd come closer to running on the old stuff than most other choices if you want something full featured.</p><p>My 82 year old mother has been running it for years on a P90 and refuses to change. She'll probably still be running it when she dies. Runs solid as a rock and she refuses to connect to the Internet as well so patches aren't a concern.</p><p>That would be my primary concern with many comments saying run old version X (including this one). The old stuff frequently has holes that have been patched. If you don't run any world services and never do anything as root with real world access, you might limit the risk. The risk won't be 0 though.</p><p>Junk the old stuff and move on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See if you can find someone with Santa Cruz Operation OpenServer or similar .
I know there is much hate and loathing on Slashdot with them and when applied to management it is completely deserved .
But they make a X based Unix distro which runs very well on old small low horsepower hardware .
Or at least they used to .
Back in the dark ages .
Course you might not be able to find anyone with the license keys anymore .
Still - it 'd come closer to running on the old stuff than most other choices if you want something full featured.My 82 year old mother has been running it for years on a P90 and refuses to change .
She 'll probably still be running it when she dies .
Runs solid as a rock and she refuses to connect to the Internet as well so patches are n't a concern.That would be my primary concern with many comments saying run old version X ( including this one ) .
The old stuff frequently has holes that have been patched .
If you do n't run any world services and never do anything as root with real world access , you might limit the risk .
The risk wo n't be 0 though.Junk the old stuff and move on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See if you can find someone with Santa Cruz Operation OpenServer or similar.
I know there is much hate and loathing on Slashdot with them and when applied to management it is completely deserved.
But they make a X based Unix distro which runs very well on old small low horsepower hardware.
Or at least they used to.
Back in the dark ages.
Course you might not be able to find anyone with the license keys anymore.
Still - it'd come closer to running on the old stuff than most other choices if you want something full featured.My 82 year old mother has been running it for years on a P90 and refuses to change.
She'll probably still be running it when she dies.
Runs solid as a rock and she refuses to connect to the Internet as well so patches aren't a concern.That would be my primary concern with many comments saying run old version X (including this one).
The old stuff frequently has holes that have been patched.
If you don't run any world services and never do anything as root with real world access, you might limit the risk.
The risk won't be 0 though.Junk the old stuff and move on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933421</id>
	<title>Re:Try Debian</title>
	<author>j\_sp\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1256992500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can also make a TFTP/BootP boot floppy that pulls the install media from the network. It isn't that hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also make a TFTP/BootP boot floppy that pulls the install media from the network .
It is n't that hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also make a TFTP/BootP boot floppy that pulls the install media from the network.
It isn't that hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930303</id>
	<title>Only a masochist would suffer with that box!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give that sh*tbox a Viking Funeral.... quarter cup of  kerosene and a flicked match!  8-P    As others have already noted, you can literally find PILES of better lappies at your community waste recycling centers....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give that sh * tbox a Viking Funeral.... quarter cup of kerosene and a flicked match !
8-P As others have already noted , you can literally find PILES of better lappies at your community waste recycling centers... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give that sh*tbox a Viking Funeral.... quarter cup of  kerosene and a flicked match!
8-P    As others have already noted, you can literally find PILES of better lappies at your community waste recycling centers....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929565</id>
	<title>Sadly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good luck finding a Distro that isn't bloat.<br>
Between <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/22/1713241" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Millions of lines</a> [slashdot.org]and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency\_hell" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">dependency hell.</a> [wikipedia.org] <br>
Linux isn't what it use to be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck finding a Distro that is n't bloat .
Between Millions of lines [ slashdot.org ] and dependency hell .
[ wikipedia.org ] Linux is n't what it use to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck finding a Distro that isn't bloat.
Between Millions of lines [slashdot.org]and dependency hell.
[wikipedia.org] 
Linux isn't what it use to be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937159</id>
	<title>Re:LTSP, if the PCMCIA card supports PXEBOOT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PXE doesn't exist for the OP hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PXE does n't exist for the OP hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PXE doesn't exist for the OP hardware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930875</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1256910000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>After weeks of hard, dedicated work and search to find a broken valve, you manage to get the TV up and running but still you can't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see. Too bad analogue TV signals are gone: you missed nothing anyway, but had a lot of "fun" in the process...??</p></div><p>Then you find a way to connect your VCR or a digital tuner to that TV and can watch it. As an added bonus you can now watch old TV shows on a TV that they were made for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After weeks of hard , dedicated work and search to find a broken valve , you manage to get the TV up and running but still you ca n't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see .
Too bad analogue TV signals are gone : you missed nothing anyway , but had a lot of " fun " in the process... ?
? Then you find a way to connect your VCR or a digital tuner to that TV and can watch it .
As an added bonus you can now watch old TV shows on a TV that they were made for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After weeks of hard, dedicated work and search to find a broken valve, you manage to get the TV up and running but still you can't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see.
Too bad analogue TV signals are gone: you missed nothing anyway, but had a lot of "fun" in the process...?
?Then you find a way to connect your VCR or a digital tuner to that TV and can watch it.
As an added bonus you can now watch old TV shows on a TV that they were made for.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930137</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929789</id>
	<title>Re:Try Debian</title>
	<author>nevurthls</author>
	<datestamp>1256903160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, the oldstable (etch) version of debian, which is still supported wrt security has floppy images.</p><p>For example, these can be found here: <a href="http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/</a> [debian.org]</p><p>It should be easy to stay under 700 Mb, even with x. Just don't install gnome/kde , but do xfce or lxde instead.<br>you can even get to lenny (current stable version) by changing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/apt/sources and apt-get dist-upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , the oldstable ( etch ) version of debian , which is still supported wrt security has floppy images.For example , these can be found here : http : //ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ [ debian.org ] It should be easy to stay under 700 Mb , even with x. Just do n't install gnome/kde , but do xfce or lxde instead.you can even get to lenny ( current stable version ) by changing /etc/apt/sources and apt-get dist-upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, the oldstable (etch) version of debian, which is still supported wrt security has floppy images.For example, these can be found here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ [debian.org]It should be easy to stay under 700 Mb, even with x. Just don't install gnome/kde , but do xfce or lxde instead.you can even get to lenny (current stable version) by changing /etc/apt/sources and apt-get dist-upgrade.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932391</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256927400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that depends who you are! we all value money differently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that depends who you are !
we all value money differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that depends who you are!
we all value money differently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930593</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936281</id>
	<title>OSX?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, nobody suggested OSX yet?  I thought<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. loved Apple products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , nobody suggested OSX yet ?
I thought / .
loved Apple products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, nobody suggested OSX yet?
I thought /.
loved Apple products.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29940085</id>
	<title>Re:Has Linux really become that bloated?</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1257107760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because of software bloat. And when the solution to bloated inefficient crap produced by (expensive) programmers is to throw more (cheap) hardware one can argue that the obsolescence is planned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of software bloat .
And when the solution to bloated inefficient crap produced by ( expensive ) programmers is to throw more ( cheap ) hardware one can argue that the obsolescence is planned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of software bloat.
And when the solution to bloated inefficient crap produced by (expensive) programmers is to throw more (cheap) hardware one can argue that the obsolescence is planned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929881</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933355</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gentoo<br>Gentoo<br>Gentoo<br>Gentoo<br>Gentoo<br>Gentoo</p><p>Roll your own!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GentooGentooGentooGentooGentooGentooRoll your own !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GentooGentooGentooGentooGentooGentooRoll your own!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930313</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with Trumpet Winsock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with Trumpet Winsock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with Trumpet Winsock.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929821</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935145</id>
	<title>Slitaz</title>
	<author>al3k</author>
	<datestamp>1257009720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go for Slitaz, it works well and its even smaller than DSL...and it keeps its kernel up to date.  It works well on old hardware, had a friend who got it up and working on hardware similar to the OP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go for Slitaz , it works well and its even smaller than DSL...and it keeps its kernel up to date .
It works well on old hardware , had a friend who got it up and working on hardware similar to the OP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go for Slitaz, it works well and its even smaller than DSL...and it keeps its kernel up to date.
It works well on old hardware, had a friend who got it up and working on hardware similar to the OP.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929575</id>
	<title>Well, not hard to find...</title>
	<author>Jeremiah Cornelius</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Trove of these things:<br><a href="http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/" title="linuxlinks.com">http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/</a> [linuxlinks.com]</p><p>Promising:<br><a href="http://atomic.eyedropvideo.com/remote1.shtml" title="eyedropvideo.com">http://atomic.eyedropvideo.com/remote1.shtml</a> [eyedropvideo.com]</p><p>Non-X woth graphical browsing:<br><a href="http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Trove of these things : http : //www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ [ linuxlinks.com ] Promising : http : //atomic.eyedropvideo.com/remote1.shtml [ eyedropvideo.com ] Non-X woth graphical browsing : http : //blueflops.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Trove of these things:http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ [linuxlinks.com]Promising:http://atomic.eyedropvideo.com/remote1.shtml [eyedropvideo.com]Non-X woth graphical browsing:http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931739</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GTK+ v1, while generally constraining you to older apps, is not bad at all. GTK2 is what you need to avoid.</p><p>FWIW, I find a graphical file manager useful for browsing a filesystem and launching media, etc. files -- <i>not</i> for actual file management, where I prefer tcsh. My favorite is sfm -- requires GTK+, but as I said, I really don't see that as a problem for a system with almost a GB of disk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GTK + v1 , while generally constraining you to older apps , is not bad at all .
GTK2 is what you need to avoid.FWIW , I find a graphical file manager useful for browsing a filesystem and launching media , etc .
files -- not for actual file management , where I prefer tcsh .
My favorite is sfm -- requires GTK + , but as I said , I really do n't see that as a problem for a system with almost a GB of disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GTK+ v1, while generally constraining you to older apps, is not bad at all.
GTK2 is what you need to avoid.FWIW, I find a graphical file manager useful for browsing a filesystem and launching media, etc.
files -- not for actual file management, where I prefer tcsh.
My favorite is sfm -- requires GTK+, but as I said, I really don't see that as a problem for a system with almost a GB of disk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929993</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929841</id>
	<title>woody</title>
	<author>jijitus</author>
	<datestamp>1256903520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Debian 3.0 "Woody" worked for me on DebiaNiKa, a P100 with 16 megs of RAM and  2gb disk usage. It did X with IceWM (looking like Win95) and Dillo, and I even used it as a dial-up router + Apache/PHP server not that far ago. It even had an DIY AJAX interfase for incoming/outgoing byte statistics for the dial up connection. Before that I had tried RedHat 6.1 on that machine.
And before THAT, around 2002, I had installed SuSE 7.0 on a 486 using LVM over two hard disks sized 200Mb and 160Mb respectively (yeah, I do mean 1E+6 bytes).

So the distros I tried and likely work with your hardware are: SuSE 7.0, Red Hat 6.1, Debian 3.0.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Debian 3.0 " Woody " worked for me on DebiaNiKa , a P100 with 16 megs of RAM and 2gb disk usage .
It did X with IceWM ( looking like Win95 ) and Dillo , and I even used it as a dial-up router + Apache/PHP server not that far ago .
It even had an DIY AJAX interfase for incoming/outgoing byte statistics for the dial up connection .
Before that I had tried RedHat 6.1 on that machine .
And before THAT , around 2002 , I had installed SuSE 7.0 on a 486 using LVM over two hard disks sized 200Mb and 160Mb respectively ( yeah , I do mean 1E + 6 bytes ) .
So the distros I tried and likely work with your hardware are : SuSE 7.0 , Red Hat 6.1 , Debian 3.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Debian 3.0 "Woody" worked for me on DebiaNiKa, a P100 with 16 megs of RAM and  2gb disk usage.
It did X with IceWM (looking like Win95) and Dillo, and I even used it as a dial-up router + Apache/PHP server not that far ago.
It even had an DIY AJAX interfase for incoming/outgoing byte statistics for the dial up connection.
Before that I had tried RedHat 6.1 on that machine.
And before THAT, around 2002, I had installed SuSE 7.0 on a 486 using LVM over two hard disks sized 200Mb and 160Mb respectively (yeah, I do mean 1E+6 bytes).
So the distros I tried and likely work with your hardware are: SuSE 7.0, Red Hat 6.1, Debian 3.0.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931639</id>
	<title>try Vector Linux 3.2</title>
	<author>Penicillus</author>
	<datestamp>1256917620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have Vector Linux 3.2 installed on a Pentium 66.  I split the (?1.2 gig) hard drive into two partitions, lap-linked the file (~320 meg) to the first dos partition, and used a Vector Linux boot disk to load the file and install it to the second partition.  I have 16 megs of ram on the Pentium 66, so I think you install it successfully with your 486 system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Vector Linux 3.2 installed on a Pentium 66 .
I split the ( ? 1.2 gig ) hard drive into two partitions , lap-linked the file ( ~ 320 meg ) to the first dos partition , and used a Vector Linux boot disk to load the file and install it to the second partition .
I have 16 megs of ram on the Pentium 66 , so I think you install it successfully with your 486 system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Vector Linux 3.2 installed on a Pentium 66.
I split the (?1.2 gig) hard drive into two partitions, lap-linked the file (~320 meg) to the first dos partition, and used a Vector Linux boot disk to load the file and install it to the second partition.
I have 16 megs of ram on the Pentium 66, so I think you install it successfully with your 486 system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933273</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1256989620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a terrible idea, because a distribution that old will have lots of security holes and won't be supported by security backports anymore.  A better option is just to pick a less bloated OS, like OpenBSD.  The stock install fits in about 300MB, including X, although if you're running X.org on a machine with only 28MB of RAM you may want allocate a fair amount to swap.  If you're running a web browser, you'll want even more; things like JavaScript, big images, and the DOM tree take up a huge amount of RAM.  </p><p>
OpenBSD still comes with a floppy disk image for installation, I think, but I've installed it on CF cards without using the installer (if you've got an existing OpenBSD machine somewhere it's pretty easy).  I wrote an article explaining how it do it which you can still get at <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070216103650/http://www.pingwales.co.uk/2006/05/22/OpenBSD-on-Flash.html" title="archive.org">via the WayBack Machine</a> [archive.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a terrible idea , because a distribution that old will have lots of security holes and wo n't be supported by security backports anymore .
A better option is just to pick a less bloated OS , like OpenBSD .
The stock install fits in about 300MB , including X , although if you 're running X.org on a machine with only 28MB of RAM you may want allocate a fair amount to swap .
If you 're running a web browser , you 'll want even more ; things like JavaScript , big images , and the DOM tree take up a huge amount of RAM .
OpenBSD still comes with a floppy disk image for installation , I think , but I 've installed it on CF cards without using the installer ( if you 've got an existing OpenBSD machine somewhere it 's pretty easy ) .
I wrote an article explaining how it do it which you can still get at via the WayBack Machine [ archive.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a terrible idea, because a distribution that old will have lots of security holes and won't be supported by security backports anymore.
A better option is just to pick a less bloated OS, like OpenBSD.
The stock install fits in about 300MB, including X, although if you're running X.org on a machine with only 28MB of RAM you may want allocate a fair amount to swap.
If you're running a web browser, you'll want even more; things like JavaScript, big images, and the DOM tree take up a huge amount of RAM.
OpenBSD still comes with a floppy disk image for installation, I think, but I've installed it on CF cards without using the installer (if you've got an existing OpenBSD machine somewhere it's pretty easy).
I wrote an article explaining how it do it which you can still get at via the WayBack Machine [archive.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936567</id>
	<title>Browser without network?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it has no network port why do you want a browser?</p><p>And if you can add a network (PCMCIA slot?) then you can do a PXE install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it has no network port why do you want a browser ? And if you can add a network ( PCMCIA slot ?
) then you can do a PXE install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it has no network port why do you want a browser?And if you can add a network (PCMCIA slot?
) then you can do a PXE install.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930813</id>
	<title>BasicLinux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you tried BasicLinux? <a href="http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/" title="volny.cz" rel="nofollow">http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/</a> [volny.cz] it's really easy to find ditros that run on such hardware, just don't expect to be using 2.6.x kernel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried BasicLinux ?
http : //www.volny.cz/basiclinux/ [ volny.cz ] it 's really easy to find ditros that run on such hardware , just do n't expect to be using 2.6.x kernel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried BasicLinux?
http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/ [volny.cz] it's really easy to find ditros that run on such hardware, just don't expect to be using 2.6.x kernel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929599</id>
	<title>Voyage Linux!</title>
	<author>niko9</author>
	<datestamp>1256901960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use Voyage Linux!</p><p>It's a stripped down Debian that's designed to run on embedded devices, and run entirely in RAM. It keeps Debian's APT package manager for super easy installation. Only 128MB or disk space (tiny base install) required for the base install. I use this distro on my PC Engines Alix board for a audiophile USB music server.</p><p>In regards yo getting it installed, you can either take out the HD and do the install on another machine or beg-borrow/steal a PCMCIA USB adapter.</p><p>If you use X, I would recommend a super lightweight window manager like Openbox, or better yet Awesome. You should also check out dvtm; 'tis a console tiling manager. Cool, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use Voyage Linux ! It 's a stripped down Debian that 's designed to run on embedded devices , and run entirely in RAM .
It keeps Debian 's APT package manager for super easy installation .
Only 128MB or disk space ( tiny base install ) required for the base install .
I use this distro on my PC Engines Alix board for a audiophile USB music server.In regards yo getting it installed , you can either take out the HD and do the install on another machine or beg-borrow/steal a PCMCIA USB adapter.If you use X , I would recommend a super lightweight window manager like Openbox , or better yet Awesome .
You should also check out dvtm ; 't is a console tiling manager .
Cool , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use Voyage Linux!It's a stripped down Debian that's designed to run on embedded devices, and run entirely in RAM.
It keeps Debian's APT package manager for super easy installation.
Only 128MB or disk space (tiny base install) required for the base install.
I use this distro on my PC Engines Alix board for a audiophile USB music server.In regards yo getting it installed, you can either take out the HD and do the install on another machine or beg-borrow/steal a PCMCIA USB adapter.If you use X, I would recommend a super lightweight window manager like Openbox, or better yet Awesome.
You should also check out dvtm; 'tis a console tiling manager.
Cool, eh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937807</id>
	<title>Get this 22 meg Debian Woody image</title>
	<author>steveadept</author>
	<datestamp>1256992080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IIRC it expands to a 100 meg disk image, of which about 50 megs is used.

<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/user-mode-linux/files/Root\%20filesystems/1/Debian-3.0r0.ext2.bz2/download" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/user-mode-linux/files/Root\%20filesystems/1/Debian-3.0r0.ext2.bz2/download</a> [sourceforge.net]

It's an image you can copy right onto the drive. It was made for User Mode Linux, but I'll bet it'll work with only a little bit of apt-getting. Then you can dist-upgrade to Lenny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC it expands to a 100 meg disk image , of which about 50 megs is used .
http : //sourceforge.net/projects/user-mode-linux/files/Root \ % 20filesystems/1/Debian-3.0r0.ext2.bz2/download [ sourceforge.net ] It 's an image you can copy right onto the drive .
It was made for User Mode Linux , but I 'll bet it 'll work with only a little bit of apt-getting .
Then you can dist-upgrade to Lenny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC it expands to a 100 meg disk image, of which about 50 megs is used.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/user-mode-linux/files/Root\%20filesystems/1/Debian-3.0r0.ext2.bz2/download [sourceforge.net]

It's an image you can copy right onto the drive.
It was made for User Mode Linux, but I'll bet it'll work with only a little bit of apt-getting.
Then you can dist-upgrade to Lenny.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929677</id>
	<title>Have you looked at...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slackware 7.1 would probably support that old lappy... I used to swear by it back in the day. The only issue you may have is the NIC. Make sure, though, to put on some sort of lightweight WM, like blackbox or flvwm(95). KDE was the system default for the 7.x series, and was a bit of a hog, FYI.
(To this day, the closest to a heavyweight WM/DE I will use is xfce4...)

Good luck!
Also, let us all know what you end up putting on the old girl...

--Stak</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slackware 7.1 would probably support that old lappy... I used to swear by it back in the day .
The only issue you may have is the NIC .
Make sure , though , to put on some sort of lightweight WM , like blackbox or flvwm ( 95 ) .
KDE was the system default for the 7.x series , and was a bit of a hog , FYI .
( To this day , the closest to a heavyweight WM/DE I will use is xfce4... ) Good luck !
Also , let us all know what you end up putting on the old girl.. . --Stak</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slackware 7.1 would probably support that old lappy... I used to swear by it back in the day.
The only issue you may have is the NIC.
Make sure, though, to put on some sort of lightweight WM, like blackbox or flvwm(95).
KDE was the system default for the 7.x series, and was a bit of a hog, FYI.
(To this day, the closest to a heavyweight WM/DE I will use is xfce4...)

Good luck!
Also, let us all know what you end up putting on the old girl...

--Stak</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934353</id>
	<title>VNC client</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 486 might be good enough to work as a thin client.  Setup a 640x480 VNC server desktop on a more powerful machine and run a vnc client on the 486.  Some experimental DOS vnc clients exist.  VNC over a LAN is going to be faster than what the 486 can do on its own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 486 might be good enough to work as a thin client .
Setup a 640x480 VNC server desktop on a more powerful machine and run a vnc client on the 486 .
Some experimental DOS vnc clients exist .
VNC over a LAN is going to be faster than what the 486 can do on its own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 486 might be good enough to work as a thin client.
Setup a 640x480 VNC server desktop on a more powerful machine and run a vnc client on the 486.
Some experimental DOS vnc clients exist.
VNC over a LAN is going to be faster than what the 486 can do on its own.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932789</id>
	<title>LFS</title>
	<author>Yogiz</author>
	<datestamp>1257022440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd probably not use such a machine for everyday computing but if you want to have some fun, try building <a href="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" title="linuxfromscratch.org">Linux from scratch</a> [linuxfromscratch.org] on it and try out how well the current kernel handles the old hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd probably not use such a machine for everyday computing but if you want to have some fun , try building Linux from scratch [ linuxfromscratch.org ] on it and try out how well the current kernel handles the old hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd probably not use such a machine for everyday computing but if you want to have some fun, try building Linux from scratch [linuxfromscratch.org] on it and try out how well the current kernel handles the old hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930677</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Reaperducer</author>
	<datestamp>1256908500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please turn in your geek card on your way out the door.</p><p>If you don't understand why he would want to make use of existing hardware, then Slashdot really isn't the web site for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please turn in your geek card on your way out the door.If you do n't understand why he would want to make use of existing hardware , then Slashdot really is n't the web site for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please turn in your geek card on your way out the door.If you don't understand why he would want to make use of existing hardware, then Slashdot really isn't the web site for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930285</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930411</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obvious states that you're a jackass. He wants to do it just because. Leave him alone</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obvious states that you 're a jackass .
He wants to do it just because .
Leave him alone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obvious states that you're a jackass.
He wants to do it just because.
Leave him alone</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.30004122</id>
	<title>Puppy Linux,DSM, or Sisela</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257505980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://the.earth.li/~martin/sisela/<br>http://puppylinux.org<br>http://www.damnsmalllinux.org</p><p>All work on a 486 with 24 Mb ram (tested by me)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //the.earth.li/ ~ martin/sisela/http : //puppylinux.orghttp : //www.damnsmalllinux.orgAll work on a 486 with 24 Mb ram ( tested by me )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://the.earth.li/~martin/sisela/http://puppylinux.orghttp://www.damnsmalllinux.orgAll work on a 486 with 24 Mb ram (tested by me)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931555</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1256916900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Sorry, but something that costs $100 isn't a disposable item, it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money. Our currency hasn't become that inflated yet...</i></p><p>I guess it depends on your income and/or skill level.</p><p>My smart phone cost about $300 and I take good care of it. But, I also fly private planes recreationally, a hobby that costs me anywhere from $70 to $130 per hour, depending on what I fly and how I fly it. Is an hour or so of recreation "disposable"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but something that costs $ 100 is n't a disposable item , it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money .
Our currency has n't become that inflated yet...I guess it depends on your income and/or skill level.My smart phone cost about $ 300 and I take good care of it .
But , I also fly private planes recreationally , a hobby that costs me anywhere from $ 70 to $ 130 per hour , depending on what I fly and how I fly it .
Is an hour or so of recreation " disposable " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but something that costs $100 isn't a disposable item, it still costs a reasonable amount of effort to earn that much money.
Our currency hasn't become that inflated yet...I guess it depends on your income and/or skill level.My smart phone cost about $300 and I take good care of it.
But, I also fly private planes recreationally, a hobby that costs me anywhere from $70 to $130 per hour, depending on what I fly and how I fly it.
Is an hour or so of recreation "disposable"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930501</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who the hell are you to tell someone else what to do with their gear? Get over yourself, you ain't a fscking god. If you have nothing to offer, shut your gob and move on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the hell are you to tell someone else what to do with their gear ?
Get over yourself , you ai n't a fscking god .
If you have nothing to offer , shut your gob and move on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the hell are you to tell someone else what to do with their gear?
Get over yourself, you ain't a fscking god.
If you have nothing to offer, shut your gob and move on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929687</id>
	<title>Re:Try Debian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think recent versionf of Debian would be a good idea at all. For some reason, the maintainers decided that it was absolutely essential for crap such as bluetooth support and gstreamer to be installed with the base system.</p><p>Your best bet is probably to use something like one of the BSD's. If you are an expert, you could compile a stripped-down Gentoo on another machine. Older versions of Debian would work, but do not upgrade to the newest version. your laptop will not be able to handle the latest versions, which have basically become Ubuntu with older software and a text-mode installer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think recent versionf of Debian would be a good idea at all .
For some reason , the maintainers decided that it was absolutely essential for crap such as bluetooth support and gstreamer to be installed with the base system.Your best bet is probably to use something like one of the BSD 's .
If you are an expert , you could compile a stripped-down Gentoo on another machine .
Older versions of Debian would work , but do not upgrade to the newest version .
your laptop will not be able to handle the latest versions , which have basically become Ubuntu with older software and a text-mode installer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think recent versionf of Debian would be a good idea at all.
For some reason, the maintainers decided that it was absolutely essential for crap such as bluetooth support and gstreamer to be installed with the base system.Your best bet is probably to use something like one of the BSD's.
If you are an expert, you could compile a stripped-down Gentoo on another machine.
Older versions of Debian would work, but do not upgrade to the newest version.
your laptop will not be able to handle the latest versions, which have basically become Ubuntu with older software and a text-mode installer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929871</id>
	<title>Debian</title>
	<author>Matias D'Ambrosio</author>
	<datestamp>1256903760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The specs seem more than sufficient for Debian. You will have to tune it after installing, obviously. I got X11 running on Debian using 10MB of RAM (on a laptop with 32MB).<br>
&nbsp; As you mention, the tricky part is installing. If you can plug the HDD in some other computer, you can format it to ext2 and copy the files no problem. Debootstrap is a very useful tool for this: <a href="http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426" title="debian-adm...ration.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426</a> [debian-adm...ration.org]<br>
&nbsp; If you can't plug the HDD somewhere else, it's not really a big issue, just find a floppy distro that can see your HDD, can connect through FTP or HTTP to some other computer, and then just use it to boot and copy the files like the link above shows. It doesn't really need to be a distro, anything that can create ext2 partitions and do FTP/HTTP will work, but linux is probably the best bet when dealing with unknown hardware.<br>
&nbsp; This is a well known one diskette distro: <a href="http://www.toms.net/rb/" title="toms.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.toms.net/rb/</a> [toms.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The specs seem more than sufficient for Debian .
You will have to tune it after installing , obviously .
I got X11 running on Debian using 10MB of RAM ( on a laptop with 32MB ) .
  As you mention , the tricky part is installing .
If you can plug the HDD in some other computer , you can format it to ext2 and copy the files no problem .
Debootstrap is a very useful tool for this : http : //www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 [ debian-adm...ration.org ]   If you ca n't plug the HDD somewhere else , it 's not really a big issue , just find a floppy distro that can see your HDD , can connect through FTP or HTTP to some other computer , and then just use it to boot and copy the files like the link above shows .
It does n't really need to be a distro , anything that can create ext2 partitions and do FTP/HTTP will work , but linux is probably the best bet when dealing with unknown hardware .
  This is a well known one diskette distro : http : //www.toms.net/rb/ [ toms.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The specs seem more than sufficient for Debian.
You will have to tune it after installing, obviously.
I got X11 running on Debian using 10MB of RAM (on a laptop with 32MB).
  As you mention, the tricky part is installing.
If you can plug the HDD in some other computer, you can format it to ext2 and copy the files no problem.
Debootstrap is a very useful tool for this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 [debian-adm...ration.org]
  If you can't plug the HDD somewhere else, it's not really a big issue, just find a floppy distro that can see your HDD, can connect through FTP or HTTP to some other computer, and then just use it to boot and copy the files like the link above shows.
It doesn't really need to be a distro, anything that can create ext2 partitions and do FTP/HTTP will work, but linux is probably the best bet when dealing with unknown hardware.
  This is a well known one diskette distro: http://www.toms.net/rb/ [toms.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29956402</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1257163020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heck I am running a Postgres server on a 600 MHZ P3 with 40 users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck I am running a Postgres server on a 600 MHZ P3 with 40 users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck I am running a Postgres server on a 600 MHZ P3 with 40 users.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936243</id>
	<title>Voyage Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could use Voyage linux http://linux.voyage.hk/. It allows you to generate a disk image, so no cdrom or usb necessary. It is based on debian, so you can install whatever debian offers. Typical installation requires 128MB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could use Voyage linux http : //linux.voyage.hk/ .
It allows you to generate a disk image , so no cdrom or usb necessary .
It is based on debian , so you can install whatever debian offers .
Typical installation requires 128MB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could use Voyage linux http://linux.voyage.hk/.
It allows you to generate a disk image, so no cdrom or usb necessary.
It is based on debian, so you can install whatever debian offers.
Typical installation requires 128MB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937107</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pfft.  Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware, like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp?  *whistles in the dark*</p></div><p>Actually, if you run win3.11 on the net with trumpet winsock and netscape 2 these days you don't get infected. DAMHIKIJKOK?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pfft .
Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware , like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp ?
* whistles in the dark * Actually , if you run win3.11 on the net with trumpet winsock and netscape 2 these days you do n't get infected .
DAMHIKIJKOK ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pfft.
Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware, like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp?
*whistles in the dark*Actually, if you run win3.11 on the net with trumpet winsock and netscape 2 these days you don't get infected.
DAMHIKIJKOK?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930687</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>arodland</author>
	<datestamp>1256908560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM"</p></div><p>Who passed it to you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I barely got passed " 486MHz CPU , 28 MB of RAM " Who passed it to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM"Who passed it to you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929975</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The better question is, why X? No modern web browser is going to work well on that hardware; hell, with 640x480 video most pages will either drop a horizontal scrollbar or just shatter.</p><p>Why not just get a basic install of something like Arch Linux (or your favorite stripped-down textmode distro) and learn to use the virtual tty system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The better question is , why X ?
No modern web browser is going to work well on that hardware ; hell , with 640x480 video most pages will either drop a horizontal scrollbar or just shatter.Why not just get a basic install of something like Arch Linux ( or your favorite stripped-down textmode distro ) and learn to use the virtual tty system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better question is, why X?
No modern web browser is going to work well on that hardware; hell, with 640x480 video most pages will either drop a horizontal scrollbar or just shatter.Why not just get a basic install of something like Arch Linux (or your favorite stripped-down textmode distro) and learn to use the virtual tty system?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930617</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Redhat 6.2 is probably a better bet. I have that running on a couple of pentium 90 based laptops with 24 MB of memory. You can't use Redhat releases after that without needing more memory for the install (unless you bypass anaconda) and earlier ones have issues with drivers. (I think laptops are especially problematic there.) I use them to run some perl scripts from vts. I don't use X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Redhat 6.2 is probably a better bet .
I have that running on a couple of pentium 90 based laptops with 24 MB of memory .
You ca n't use Redhat releases after that without needing more memory for the install ( unless you bypass anaconda ) and earlier ones have issues with drivers .
( I think laptops are especially problematic there .
) I use them to run some perl scripts from vts .
I do n't use X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Redhat 6.2 is probably a better bet.
I have that running on a couple of pentium 90 based laptops with 24 MB of memory.
You can't use Redhat releases after that without needing more memory for the install (unless you bypass anaconda) and earlier ones have issues with drivers.
(I think laptops are especially problematic there.
) I use them to run some perl scripts from vts.
I don't use X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929905</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently? No, really.. I'm not trolling, this is a honest question. Did everyone here gone broke or something? </p><p>As to the original poster, why don't you do us all a favor and recycle this old piece of shyt, buy a used 3 years old notebook and stop wasting everybody's time  by asking for support of 15 years old hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently ?
No , really.. I 'm not trolling , this is a honest question .
Did everyone here gone broke or something ?
As to the original poster , why do n't you do us all a favor and recycle this old piece of shyt , buy a used 3 years old notebook and stop wasting everybody 's time by asking for support of 15 years old hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently?
No, really.. I'm not trolling, this is a honest question.
Did everyone here gone broke or something?
As to the original poster, why don't you do us all a favor and recycle this old piece of shyt, buy a used 3 years old notebook and stop wasting everybody's time  by asking for support of 15 years old hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931313</id>
	<title>Re:How About FreeBSD?</title>
	<author>boylinux</author>
	<datestamp>1256914380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any of the BSDs. OpenBSD might be another choice.
<a href="http://www.openbsd.org/" title="openbsd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openbsd.org/</a> [openbsd.org]

I've installed it on several older computers to keep them going.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any of the BSDs .
OpenBSD might be another choice .
http : //www.openbsd.org/ [ openbsd.org ] I 've installed it on several older computers to keep them going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any of the BSDs.
OpenBSD might be another choice.
http://www.openbsd.org/ [openbsd.org]

I've installed it on several older computers to keep them going.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930189</id>
	<title>What is the "most slim" Redhat/Fedora distro?</title>
	<author>HouseOfMisterE</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can anyone suggest a slim, up-to-date, linux distro based on Redhat or Fedora?  Do I just need to run a standard install and de-select everything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone suggest a slim , up-to-date , linux distro based on Redhat or Fedora ?
Do I just need to run a standard install and de-select everything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone suggest a slim, up-to-date, linux distro based on Redhat or Fedora?
Do I just need to run a standard install and de-select everything?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932039</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OS/2 Warp worked nicely enough with 16 MB of ram with a 33 MHz 486. It even had a free office suite with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OS/2 Warp worked nicely enough with 16 MB of ram with a 33 MHz 486 .
It even had a free office suite with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OS/2 Warp worked nicely enough with 16 MB of ram with a 33 MHz 486.
It even had a free office suite with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931349</id>
	<title>Have similiar, but only kept for Old gaming</title>
	<author>ThundrNeon</author>
	<datestamp>1256914740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't think of much you can do with a 486 at least for running any modern program.  I also own a 486 but mine is a desktop.  I keep it purely for sentimental reasons and for playing a few older games on their native OS and equipment.  Granted my currebnt 486 is much better than my original 486 and the specs could even be considered waste.  486 DX2 66, 128 MB EDO RAM, 1 GB HDD, built in 10 Mb Ethernet, 64 MB 3DFX Voodoo 5 PCI for Graphics, and a Soundblaster 16 ISA for Sound.  The unit has a 3.5 and 5.25" Floppies and a CD-ROM.  It is loaded with Windows 95.  Even with these specs the best it can do is run Master of Orion, Heretic, DOOM, Road Rash, and the Original Warcraft.  Older versions of Winamp run but wheter local or pulled over network the best the unit can muster for mp3 playback is 1/2 quality mono even while optimized for 486 processors.  Again the only reason I keep this machine is to play some of my first games and because my first PC I ever owned was a 486 DX2 66Mhz Machine.  Oh it does browse the internet but firefox doesn't like running and the newest version of ie that can run is 5.5  Windows 98 is too much for the unit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't think of much you can do with a 486 at least for running any modern program .
I also own a 486 but mine is a desktop .
I keep it purely for sentimental reasons and for playing a few older games on their native OS and equipment .
Granted my currebnt 486 is much better than my original 486 and the specs could even be considered waste .
486 DX2 66 , 128 MB EDO RAM , 1 GB HDD , built in 10 Mb Ethernet , 64 MB 3DFX Voodoo 5 PCI for Graphics , and a Soundblaster 16 ISA for Sound .
The unit has a 3.5 and 5.25 " Floppies and a CD-ROM .
It is loaded with Windows 95 .
Even with these specs the best it can do is run Master of Orion , Heretic , DOOM , Road Rash , and the Original Warcraft .
Older versions of Winamp run but wheter local or pulled over network the best the unit can muster for mp3 playback is 1/2 quality mono even while optimized for 486 processors .
Again the only reason I keep this machine is to play some of my first games and because my first PC I ever owned was a 486 DX2 66Mhz Machine .
Oh it does browse the internet but firefox does n't like running and the newest version of ie that can run is 5.5 Windows 98 is too much for the unit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't think of much you can do with a 486 at least for running any modern program.
I also own a 486 but mine is a desktop.
I keep it purely for sentimental reasons and for playing a few older games on their native OS and equipment.
Granted my currebnt 486 is much better than my original 486 and the specs could even be considered waste.
486 DX2 66, 128 MB EDO RAM, 1 GB HDD, built in 10 Mb Ethernet, 64 MB 3DFX Voodoo 5 PCI for Graphics, and a Soundblaster 16 ISA for Sound.
The unit has a 3.5 and 5.25" Floppies and a CD-ROM.
It is loaded with Windows 95.
Even with these specs the best it can do is run Master of Orion, Heretic, DOOM, Road Rash, and the Original Warcraft.
Older versions of Winamp run but wheter local or pulled over network the best the unit can muster for mp3 playback is 1/2 quality mono even while optimized for 486 processors.
Again the only reason I keep this machine is to play some of my first games and because my first PC I ever owned was a 486 DX2 66Mhz Machine.
Oh it does browse the internet but firefox doesn't like running and the newest version of ie that can run is 5.5  Windows 98 is too much for the unit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929881</id>
	<title>Has Linux really become that bloated?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, your hardware has become that obsolete.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , your hardware has become that obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, your hardware has become that obsolete.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930441</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>ciggieposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1256906820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently?</i></p><p>Some of that old hardware is very far from cheap.  A 486, while slow, can be very reliable over the long haul.  Most 486's didn't even need heat sinks, so no moving parts to fail.</p><p>As for the poster, I would suggest either a disk-based Debian woody install, puppy linux, DSL, or a Slackware install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently ? Some of that old hardware is very far from cheap .
A 486 , while slow , can be very reliable over the long haul .
Most 486 's did n't even need heat sinks , so no moving parts to fail.As for the poster , I would suggest either a disk-based Debian woody install , puppy linux , DSL , or a Slackware install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is this obsession with old or cheap crap hardware recently?Some of that old hardware is very far from cheap.
A 486, while slow, can be very reliable over the long haul.
Most 486's didn't even need heat sinks, so no moving parts to fail.As for the poster, I would suggest either a disk-based Debian woody install, puppy linux, DSL, or a Slackware install.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930309</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>MarceloR2</author>
	<datestamp>1256906280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of the older hardware have  displays that compare favorably with the the stuff that is sold nowadays on cheap laptops. I'm talking LCD quality, as in viewing angle, etc. and not necessarily LCD resolution, nor the ability of the GPU to render images. Some older laptops also have great keyboards, say, take any old Thinkpad.  Lastly, some of the older hardware also have unique styling like the 486 Thinkpad 701C (the famous Butterfly, see ThinkWiki's page <a href="http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:701CS" title="thinkwiki.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:701CS</a> [thinkwiki.org] )
Thus for certain things (e.g. if you can offload heavy processing to another machine) running an old laptop maybe a reasonably good experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the older hardware have displays that compare favorably with the the stuff that is sold nowadays on cheap laptops .
I 'm talking LCD quality , as in viewing angle , etc .
and not necessarily LCD resolution , nor the ability of the GPU to render images .
Some older laptops also have great keyboards , say , take any old Thinkpad .
Lastly , some of the older hardware also have unique styling like the 486 Thinkpad 701C ( the famous Butterfly , see ThinkWiki 's page http : //www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category : 701CS [ thinkwiki.org ] ) Thus for certain things ( e.g .
if you can offload heavy processing to another machine ) running an old laptop maybe a reasonably good experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the older hardware have  displays that compare favorably with the the stuff that is sold nowadays on cheap laptops.
I'm talking LCD quality, as in viewing angle, etc.
and not necessarily LCD resolution, nor the ability of the GPU to render images.
Some older laptops also have great keyboards, say, take any old Thinkpad.
Lastly, some of the older hardware also have unique styling like the 486 Thinkpad 701C (the famous Butterfly, see ThinkWiki's page http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:701CS [thinkwiki.org] )
Thus for certain things (e.g.
if you can offload heavy processing to another machine) running an old laptop maybe a reasonably good experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937565</id>
	<title>Small GNU/Linux installs....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi, Try Slax, 190Mb and comes in a tar arch or iso, easy to install, has a recent kernel and xorg,</p><p>You can make larger if you want, good documentation as well.</p><p>Links...<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAX" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAX</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://www.slax.org/documentation.php" title="slax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.slax.org/documentation.php</a> [slax.org]<br><a href="http://www.slax.org/get\_slax.php" title="slax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.slax.org/get\_slax.php</a> [slax.org]</p><p>Regards GlennsPref</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , Try Slax , 190Mb and comes in a tar arch or iso , easy to install , has a recent kernel and xorg,You can make larger if you want , good documentation as well.Links...http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAX [ wikipedia.org ] http : //www.slax.org/documentation.php [ slax.org ] http : //www.slax.org/get \ _slax.php [ slax.org ] Regards GlennsPref</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, Try Slax, 190Mb and comes in a tar arch or iso, easy to install, has a recent kernel and xorg,You can make larger if you want, good documentation as well.Links...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAX [wikipedia.org]http://www.slax.org/documentation.php [slax.org]http://www.slax.org/get\_slax.php [slax.org]Regards GlennsPref</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930957</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1256910600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got an old grandmother that I've been trying to rejuvenate.She has a failing heart, dementia, arthritis and no bladder control. She does not have education past grammar school or language skills. She has alzheimer's and I do have the medication for that. My goal is to get a household helper able to run errands, go to the store and lift heavy objects. I can't get her to shut up about the constant pain she's in. Have old people really become that useless? Is there no way to just get her to do what I want her to?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got an old grandmother that I 've been trying to rejuvenate.She has a failing heart , dementia , arthritis and no bladder control .
She does not have education past grammar school or language skills .
She has alzheimer 's and I do have the medication for that .
My goal is to get a household helper able to run errands , go to the store and lift heavy objects .
I ca n't get her to shut up about the constant pain she 's in .
Have old people really become that useless ?
Is there no way to just get her to do what I want her to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got an old grandmother that I've been trying to rejuvenate.She has a failing heart, dementia, arthritis and no bladder control.
She does not have education past grammar school or language skills.
She has alzheimer's and I do have the medication for that.
My goal is to get a household helper able to run errands, go to the store and lift heavy objects.
I can't get her to shut up about the constant pain she's in.
Have old people really become that useless?
Is there no way to just get her to do what I want her to?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933503</id>
	<title>Linux mp3 players</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mpeg123.</p><p>Command line. Works on a 486.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mpeg123.Command line .
Works on a 486 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mpeg123.Command line.
Works on a 486.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934429</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually NT4.0 or windows 95 would be a better choice. Lots of floppies to copy, but would run just fine. And in case of NT4.0 - probably much smoother than any linux distro (Ugh! X!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually NT4.0 or windows 95 would be a better choice .
Lots of floppies to copy , but would run just fine .
And in case of NT4.0 - probably much smoother than any linux distro ( Ugh !
X ! )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually NT4.0 or windows 95 would be a better choice.
Lots of floppies to copy, but would run just fine.
And in case of NT4.0 - probably much smoother than any linux distro (Ugh!
X!)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930763</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM" when this obvious question popped into my mind: WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE? Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets. You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days. Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points, perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there. Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware, if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else. Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind. I realize that this does not help with your original question, I just felt compelled to point out the obvious.</p></div><p>Awwww the day a small part of Linux died, when people said the hardware was just too crap to run it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I barely got passed " 486MHz CPU , 28 MB of RAM " when this obvious question popped into my mind : WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE ?
Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets .
You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days .
Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points , perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there .
Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware , if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else .
Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind .
I realize that this does not help with your original question , I just felt compelled to point out the obvious.Awwww the day a small part of Linux died , when people said the hardware was just too crap to run it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I barely got passed "486MHz CPU, 28 MB of RAM" when this obvious question popped into my mind: WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?
Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets.
You can get something as new Pentium3-based laptops for the price of a cup of coffee there these days.
Better laptops also tend to lie in piles on recycling points, perhaps you can grab a few better laptops if you go deliver yours there.
Perhaps you have some special loving relationship to this hardware, if so then put it in a frame or something and install GNU/Linux on something else.
Seriously. That hardware is just not worth the time and trouble unless you are making a museum exhibit of some kind.
I realize that this does not help with your original question, I just felt compelled to point out the obvious.Awwww the day a small part of Linux died, when people said the hardware was just too crap to run it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929625</id>
	<title>Damn Small Linux</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1256902080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I'm biased towards Debian so I'd recommend DSL. It even has a gui, if you want one! ^\_^</p><p>The only issue I see is you have to make the floppy disks version from an ISO since it is not distributed standard as a floppy disk set.</p><p>Here is a tutorial to get DSL installed with floppy disks: <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html" title="damnsmalllinux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html</a> [damnsmalllinux.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm biased towards Debian so I 'd recommend DSL .
It even has a gui , if you want one !
^ \ _ ^ The only issue I see is you have to make the floppy disks version from an ISO since it is not distributed standard as a floppy disk set.Here is a tutorial to get DSL installed with floppy disks : http : //www.damnsmalllinux.org/install \ _from \ _floppy.html [ damnsmalllinux.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm biased towards Debian so I'd recommend DSL.
It even has a gui, if you want one!
^\_^The only issue I see is you have to make the floppy disks version from an ISO since it is not distributed standard as a floppy disk set.Here is a tutorial to get DSL installed with floppy disks: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html [damnsmalllinux.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933649</id>
	<title>Re:My $.02</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256996340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>X Terminal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X Terminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X Terminal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933255</id>
	<title>Buy a netbook....</title>
	<author>Pvt\_Ryan</author>
	<datestamp>1256989200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/655/862/-/10823678/Disgo-Net-Browser-3000-64MB-2GB-7-Windows-CE-Netbook/Product.html?searchtype=genre" title="play.com">http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/655/862/-/10823678/Disgo-Net-Browser-3000-64MB-2GB-7-Windows-CE-Netbook/Product.html?searchtype=genre</a> [play.com]

Less than &pound;100 and a much better spec than yours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/655/862/-/10823678/Disgo-Net-Browser-3000-64MB-2GB-7-Windows-CE-Netbook/Product.html ? searchtype = genre [ play.com ] Less than   100 and a much better spec than yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/655/862/-/10823678/Disgo-Net-Browser-3000-64MB-2GB-7-Windows-CE-Netbook/Product.html?searchtype=genre [play.com]

Less than £100 and a much better spec than yours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930091</id>
	<title>X on OpenWRT?</title>
	<author>omkhar</author>
	<datestamp>1256905080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would X have worked on any builds of OpenWRT???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would X have worked on any builds of OpenWRT ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would X have worked on any builds of OpenWRT??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930219</id>
	<title>sounds like a 486 project I once started</title>
	<author>logicassasin</author>
	<datestamp>1256905800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a few years ago, I came across a 486 motherboard on ebay. It was an FIC job with PCI slots on it. I had wondered what, if anything, could run on it in 2005. I picked it up for next to nothing, grabbed a 486 100MHz chip and went about building this frankenmonster machine.</p><p>In retrospect, I wish I had that time back.</p><p>I had 128MB of ram on this thing, an 8MB Matrox Millenium II, a pair of 4.3GB UWSCSI drives and an Adaptec 2940UW card. Networking came from an old 3Com ISA slot 10base Nic I had (and, oddly, still have to this very day!). Win98? yup. NT4? yep, 2000??? Absolutely. RH7.3 and 9? You betcha...</p><p>Then it got old, I longed for something that could actually do stuff. It was cute for the moment, but overall a gigantic waste of my time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a few years ago , I came across a 486 motherboard on ebay .
It was an FIC job with PCI slots on it .
I had wondered what , if anything , could run on it in 2005 .
I picked it up for next to nothing , grabbed a 486 100MHz chip and went about building this frankenmonster machine.In retrospect , I wish I had that time back.I had 128MB of ram on this thing , an 8MB Matrox Millenium II , a pair of 4.3GB UWSCSI drives and an Adaptec 2940UW card .
Networking came from an old 3Com ISA slot 10base Nic I had ( and , oddly , still have to this very day ! ) .
Win98 ? yup .
NT4 ? yep , 2000 ? ? ?
Absolutely. RH7.3 and 9 ?
You betcha...Then it got old , I longed for something that could actually do stuff .
It was cute for the moment , but overall a gigantic waste of my time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a few years ago, I came across a 486 motherboard on ebay.
It was an FIC job with PCI slots on it.
I had wondered what, if anything, could run on it in 2005.
I picked it up for next to nothing, grabbed a 486 100MHz chip and went about building this frankenmonster machine.In retrospect, I wish I had that time back.I had 128MB of ram on this thing, an 8MB Matrox Millenium II, a pair of 4.3GB UWSCSI drives and an Adaptec 2940UW card.
Networking came from an old 3Com ISA slot 10base Nic I had (and, oddly, still have to this very day!).
Win98? yup.
NT4? yep, 2000???
Absolutely. RH7.3 and 9?
You betcha...Then it got old, I longed for something that could actually do stuff.
It was cute for the moment, but overall a gigantic waste of my time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935201</id>
	<title>80486?  Wimp!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257010200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I remember fighting with an 80386sx20 based laptop that had a 640x480 vga grayscale display and 2mb (yes, 2mb!) of ram, and a 40mb hd, and I got X to run on that thing!  Granted, it swapped like mad just to get a couple xterms going, fvwm was too much of a wm for it to handle, and the only network connection was with the internal 2400 baud modem, but it was awesome!  The ram was the worst limiting factor in that situation, I did get some version of the linux kernel to boot, custom compiled with everthing pulled out of it.  Minix, though horrible to install, was what I ended up using to get X going.  Smaller kernel memory footprint.</p><p>Those were the days...</p><p>an intel 486 would have been 1000x easier to get going then.  You're job is too easy.</p><p>Of course without a usable browser as everyone else says, what's the point, unless you love vnc and network lag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I remember fighting with an 80386sx20 based laptop that had a 640x480 vga grayscale display and 2mb ( yes , 2mb !
) of ram , and a 40mb hd , and I got X to run on that thing !
Granted , it swapped like mad just to get a couple xterms going , fvwm was too much of a wm for it to handle , and the only network connection was with the internal 2400 baud modem , but it was awesome !
The ram was the worst limiting factor in that situation , I did get some version of the linux kernel to boot , custom compiled with everthing pulled out of it .
Minix , though horrible to install , was what I ended up using to get X going .
Smaller kernel memory footprint.Those were the days...an intel 486 would have been 1000x easier to get going then .
You 're job is too easy.Of course without a usable browser as everyone else says , what 's the point , unless you love vnc and network lag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I remember fighting with an 80386sx20 based laptop that had a 640x480 vga grayscale display and 2mb (yes, 2mb!
) of ram, and a 40mb hd, and I got X to run on that thing!
Granted, it swapped like mad just to get a couple xterms going, fvwm was too much of a wm for it to handle, and the only network connection was with the internal 2400 baud modem, but it was awesome!
The ram was the worst limiting factor in that situation, I did get some version of the linux kernel to boot, custom compiled with everthing pulled out of it.
Minix, though horrible to install, was what I ended up using to get X going.
Smaller kernel memory footprint.Those were the days...an intel 486 would have been 1000x easier to get going then.
You're job is too easy.Of course without a usable browser as everyone else says, what's the point, unless you love vnc and network lag.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934733</id>
	<title>Re:My $.02</title>
	<author>ccarlquist</author>
	<datestamp>1257005760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hum... I don't fully agree with these arguments.
I for one have an old IBM Thinkpad 486DX4 notebook, 24MB RAM, 512MB HD. It is still running Slackware 7.1, being able to decode MP3 through mpg123 and madplay. I'm running Xfree 3.x, FVWM or Blackbox, I can surf the Internet on Netscape 3.x and edit docs using Maxwel Editor. I'm not concerned about "security" here because it is not connected so often, and even though, I don't keep important information stored here. A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hum... I do n't fully agree with these arguments .
I for one have an old IBM Thinkpad 486DX4 notebook , 24MB RAM , 512MB HD .
It is still running Slackware 7.1 , being able to decode MP3 through mpg123 and madplay .
I 'm running Xfree 3.x , FVWM or Blackbox , I can surf the Internet on Netscape 3.x and edit docs using Maxwel Editor .
I 'm not concerned about " security " here because it is not connected so often , and even though , I do n't keep important information stored here .
A 486 is a terrible thing to waste.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hum... I don't fully agree with these arguments.
I for one have an old IBM Thinkpad 486DX4 notebook, 24MB RAM, 512MB HD.
It is still running Slackware 7.1, being able to decode MP3 through mpg123 and madplay.
I'm running Xfree 3.x, FVWM or Blackbox, I can surf the Internet on Netscape 3.x and edit docs using Maxwel Editor.
I'm not concerned about "security" here because it is not connected so often, and even though, I don't keep important information stored here.
A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932881</id>
	<title>try LinuxMint XFCE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have this running (not crawling) on a P3.450 with 384 RAM. One CD image and everything works first time! You can get it at http://www.linuxmint.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have this running ( not crawling ) on a P3.450 with 384 RAM .
One CD image and everything works first time !
You can get it at http : //www.linuxmint.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have this running (not crawling) on a P3.450 with 384 RAM.
One CD image and everything works first time!
You can get it at http://www.linuxmint.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930773</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe Gentoo? Read 1st before modding down.</title>
	<author>lannocc</author>
	<datestamp>1256909160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this! I have a couple VM's I use to build binaries (server and workstation flavors) for my other boxes. While not a 486, I do have Gentoo running on a Pentium 133MHz w/ 32MB RAM... and it'll play DVD's (w/ some hardware decoder-card help).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this !
I have a couple VM 's I use to build binaries ( server and workstation flavors ) for my other boxes .
While not a 486 , I do have Gentoo running on a Pentium 133MHz w/ 32MB RAM... and it 'll play DVD 's ( w/ some hardware decoder-card help ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this!
I have a couple VM's I use to build binaries (server and workstation flavors) for my other boxes.
While not a 486, I do have Gentoo running on a Pentium 133MHz w/ 32MB RAM... and it'll play DVD's (w/ some hardware decoder-card help).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930385</id>
	<title>hate to break it to you....</title>
	<author>scamper\_22</author>
	<datestamp>1256906640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran into the same thing in one of our labs at the university.  Let me just say, finding a linux distro that works and performs well on older hardware is pretty tough.  Tried everything from old redhats to Corel Linux.  This was a few years back and maybe I just couldn't find some niche distro... but in the end, the best OS I found to use was... Windows 95.  We built some apps with QT and it did its job.</p><p>We figured if we ever got new computers, we could install linux and just recompile.</p><p>So my advice to you, sure to get you shot in slashdot... save yourself the time and effort and just get windows 95.  You can get a basic browser and ssh in there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into the same thing in one of our labs at the university .
Let me just say , finding a linux distro that works and performs well on older hardware is pretty tough .
Tried everything from old redhats to Corel Linux .
This was a few years back and maybe I just could n't find some niche distro... but in the end , the best OS I found to use was... Windows 95 .
We built some apps with QT and it did its job.We figured if we ever got new computers , we could install linux and just recompile.So my advice to you , sure to get you shot in slashdot... save yourself the time and effort and just get windows 95 .
You can get a basic browser and ssh in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into the same thing in one of our labs at the university.
Let me just say, finding a linux distro that works and performs well on older hardware is pretty tough.
Tried everything from old redhats to Corel Linux.
This was a few years back and maybe I just couldn't find some niche distro... but in the end, the best OS I found to use was... Windows 95.
We built some apps with QT and it did its job.We figured if we ever got new computers, we could install linux and just recompile.So my advice to you, sure to get you shot in slashdot... save yourself the time and effort and just get windows 95.
You can get a basic browser and ssh in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933659</id>
	<title>Replace it with the money you'd spend on power</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256996400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a neat project, but you could probably replace it with an atom board for the money you'd otherwise spend on keeping the older one powered up and cooled for a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a neat project , but you could probably replace it with an atom board for the money you 'd otherwise spend on keeping the older one powered up and cooled for a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a neat project, but you could probably replace it with an atom board for the money you'd otherwise spend on keeping the older one powered up and cooled for a year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936717</id>
	<title>Old Hardware...</title>
	<author>forty</author>
	<datestamp>1256980380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was able to get a recent 2.6.X series kernel to boot on a older non-isa bus 386. Building it was easy, turn off everything that wasn't necessary, enable some embedded features, etc.</p><p>Debugging it to boot wasn't easy. The machine had a non name processor upgrade, that wasn't recognized, which caused the kernel to halt. Once I got that patched, the cache wasn't enabled, so I had to patch boot.S.</p><p>So now I've got a kernel that boots, and turns on the cache and the $#@!ing keyboard won't work... There was some switch I had to pass on the kernel command line for the keyboard to be recognized.</p><p>I wanted to use ether-boot with it, but current version were no go on this hardware, and the older version I did get to work wouldn't work with my kernel. I gave up debugging it. It'll make a nice project for some sunny day.</p><p>I ended up booting from a floppy, and using nfs root, I didn't have any useable SCSI-1/SCSI-2 disk available, the only unit we had was a full height 5 1/4 unit, which sound like a 747 in your office when it turns on, it also drew so much current it shut off the power supply in the external drive chassis I had.</p><p>I made some other changes to get swap over NFS to work but it was horrid, evil nasty abortion......</p><p>I built a busybox userland and some other tools, dropbear. This machine did run X at one time, but I wouldn't consider it even an option now. As the machine only has a trueblue IBM vga adapter, and could only do 320x240x8bpp if we were lucky.</p><p>No doubt you could get X to run on some older hardware, you're just going to have to have the time, patience, and know-how to do it from scratch. You definitely don't want to build your userland or kernel on these machines, setup a cross environment and do it there, unless you have some crazy saint patience.</p><p>I built a kernel with it over NFS (10 Meg Ethernet), it took like several day. I used to build kernel on this machine, as recently a 2.0/2.2, local disk of course on it, within an hour or two.</p><p>Still pretty good considering the hardware is close to 21 years old, making it officially an antique that can boot a current kernel. How's that for legacy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was able to get a recent 2.6.X series kernel to boot on a older non-isa bus 386 .
Building it was easy , turn off everything that was n't necessary , enable some embedded features , etc.Debugging it to boot was n't easy .
The machine had a non name processor upgrade , that was n't recognized , which caused the kernel to halt .
Once I got that patched , the cache was n't enabled , so I had to patch boot.S.So now I 've got a kernel that boots , and turns on the cache and the $ # @ ! ing keyboard wo n't work... There was some switch I had to pass on the kernel command line for the keyboard to be recognized.I wanted to use ether-boot with it , but current version were no go on this hardware , and the older version I did get to work would n't work with my kernel .
I gave up debugging it .
It 'll make a nice project for some sunny day.I ended up booting from a floppy , and using nfs root , I did n't have any useable SCSI-1/SCSI-2 disk available , the only unit we had was a full height 5 1/4 unit , which sound like a 747 in your office when it turns on , it also drew so much current it shut off the power supply in the external drive chassis I had.I made some other changes to get swap over NFS to work but it was horrid , evil nasty abortion......I built a busybox userland and some other tools , dropbear .
This machine did run X at one time , but I would n't consider it even an option now .
As the machine only has a trueblue IBM vga adapter , and could only do 320x240x8bpp if we were lucky.No doubt you could get X to run on some older hardware , you 're just going to have to have the time , patience , and know-how to do it from scratch .
You definitely do n't want to build your userland or kernel on these machines , setup a cross environment and do it there , unless you have some crazy saint patience.I built a kernel with it over NFS ( 10 Meg Ethernet ) , it took like several day .
I used to build kernel on this machine , as recently a 2.0/2.2 , local disk of course on it , within an hour or two.Still pretty good considering the hardware is close to 21 years old , making it officially an antique that can boot a current kernel .
How 's that for legacy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was able to get a recent 2.6.X series kernel to boot on a older non-isa bus 386.
Building it was easy, turn off everything that wasn't necessary, enable some embedded features, etc.Debugging it to boot wasn't easy.
The machine had a non name processor upgrade, that wasn't recognized, which caused the kernel to halt.
Once I got that patched, the cache wasn't enabled, so I had to patch boot.S.So now I've got a kernel that boots, and turns on the cache and the $#@!ing keyboard won't work... There was some switch I had to pass on the kernel command line for the keyboard to be recognized.I wanted to use ether-boot with it, but current version were no go on this hardware, and the older version I did get to work wouldn't work with my kernel.
I gave up debugging it.
It'll make a nice project for some sunny day.I ended up booting from a floppy, and using nfs root, I didn't have any useable SCSI-1/SCSI-2 disk available, the only unit we had was a full height 5 1/4 unit, which sound like a 747 in your office when it turns on, it also drew so much current it shut off the power supply in the external drive chassis I had.I made some other changes to get swap over NFS to work but it was horrid, evil nasty abortion......I built a busybox userland and some other tools, dropbear.
This machine did run X at one time, but I wouldn't consider it even an option now.
As the machine only has a trueblue IBM vga adapter, and could only do 320x240x8bpp if we were lucky.No doubt you could get X to run on some older hardware, you're just going to have to have the time, patience, and know-how to do it from scratch.
You definitely don't want to build your userland or kernel on these machines, setup a cross environment and do it there, unless you have some crazy saint patience.I built a kernel with it over NFS (10 Meg Ethernet), it took like several day.
I used to build kernel on this machine, as recently a 2.0/2.2, local disk of course on it, within an hour or two.Still pretty good considering the hardware is close to 21 years old, making it officially an antique that can boot a current kernel.
How's that for legacy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929645</id>
	<title>too old</title>
	<author>citylivin</author>
	<datestamp>1256902140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a 486? Why on earth would you bother? Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days, but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist. That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a 486 ?
Why on earth would you bother ?
Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days , but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist .
That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a 486?
Why on earth would you bother?
Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days, but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist.
That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930031</id>
	<title>yes , it has</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it going the wind2 way, bloat, useless crap, like in ubuntu..  bluetooth app, palm app, hardrive, 4 package adders,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it going the wind2 way , bloat , useless crap , like in ubuntu.. bluetooth app , palm app , hardrive , 4 package adders,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it going the wind2 way, bloat, useless crap, like in ubuntu..  bluetooth app, palm app, hardrive, 4 package adders,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930407</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Nithendil</author>
	<datestamp>1256906700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 486 is perfect for a MS DOS 6 install and old school game machine. I would keep it around just to play wing commander and betrayal at krondor in their native glory.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 486 is perfect for a MS DOS 6 install and old school game machine .
I would keep it around just to play wing commander and betrayal at krondor in their native glory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 486 is perfect for a MS DOS 6 install and old school game machine.
I would keep it around just to play wing commander and betrayal at krondor in their native glory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934913</id>
	<title>Deli Linux is nice to old hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get it here:<br>http://www.delilinux.de/</p><p>As others have pointed out already NetBSD, OpenBSD and perhals FreeBSD should work ok too on you old hardware.</p><p>Good luck!<br>Mikael</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get it here : http : //www.delilinux.de/As others have pointed out already NetBSD , OpenBSD and perhals FreeBSD should work ok too on you old hardware.Good luck ! Mikael</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get it here:http://www.delilinux.de/As others have pointed out already NetBSD, OpenBSD and perhals FreeBSD should work ok too on you old hardware.Good luck!Mikael</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929933</id>
	<title>Fedora/CentOS LiveCDs do contain native extX fsimg</title>
	<author>jdogalt</author>
	<datestamp>1256904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While probably not a solution to the original problem, an answer to the specific question about native ext2 images instead of LiveCD iso images is this-</p><p>The Fedora and CentOS LiveCDs do contain a native ext3/4 filesystem image embedded within a squashfs image.  The normal Fedora anaconda/liveinst installer works by copying this image directly to the target destination then using resize2fs to expand it to the destination's size.</p><p>My ZyX-LiveInstaller at <a href="http://filteredperception.org/" title="filteredperception.org">http://filteredperception.org/</a> [filteredperception.org] goes one further and does this process with the running copy-on-write version of the filesystem, allowing for a <b>rebootless</b> LiveOS installation.</p><p>But of course these LiveCD sized filesystems are on the order of 2G (compressed about 3:1 by squashfs).  You can probably find a minimal spin that brings that down a bit, but not enough for your needs.  A real answer of course is as others have said- get a distro of the same vintage.  Linus himself commented on the bloat recently didn't he?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While probably not a solution to the original problem , an answer to the specific question about native ext2 images instead of LiveCD iso images is this-The Fedora and CentOS LiveCDs do contain a native ext3/4 filesystem image embedded within a squashfs image .
The normal Fedora anaconda/liveinst installer works by copying this image directly to the target destination then using resize2fs to expand it to the destination 's size.My ZyX-LiveInstaller at http : //filteredperception.org/ [ filteredperception.org ] goes one further and does this process with the running copy-on-write version of the filesystem , allowing for a rebootless LiveOS installation.But of course these LiveCD sized filesystems are on the order of 2G ( compressed about 3 : 1 by squashfs ) .
You can probably find a minimal spin that brings that down a bit , but not enough for your needs .
A real answer of course is as others have said- get a distro of the same vintage .
Linus himself commented on the bloat recently did n't he ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While probably not a solution to the original problem, an answer to the specific question about native ext2 images instead of LiveCD iso images is this-The Fedora and CentOS LiveCDs do contain a native ext3/4 filesystem image embedded within a squashfs image.
The normal Fedora anaconda/liveinst installer works by copying this image directly to the target destination then using resize2fs to expand it to the destination's size.My ZyX-LiveInstaller at http://filteredperception.org/ [filteredperception.org] goes one further and does this process with the running copy-on-write version of the filesystem, allowing for a rebootless LiveOS installation.But of course these LiveCD sized filesystems are on the order of 2G (compressed about 3:1 by squashfs).
You can probably find a minimal spin that brings that down a bit, but not enough for your needs.
A real answer of course is as others have said- get a distro of the same vintage.
Linus himself commented on the bloat recently didn't he?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930829</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nostalgia can be a strong motivator. I'm still on the lookout for a 50-pin internal SCSI hard drive under 2GB for my Apple Performa 460 up in the attic. It's a complete and working system--minus the hard drive of course--with the original monitor, keyboard, mouse and Apple (Canon) inkjet printer. It's old, slow and only runs the Mac OS up to system 8, but just glancing at it collecting dust in the corner of the attic brings back memories from my teenage years. I'd love to resurrect it for my kids to play games and do digital art on, and I admit, for me to hack around on when they are at school.</p><p>And yes, I know I could just fire up Basilisk II or SheepShaver and access the same software on my current system, but it's just not the same feeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nostalgia can be a strong motivator .
I 'm still on the lookout for a 50-pin internal SCSI hard drive under 2GB for my Apple Performa 460 up in the attic .
It 's a complete and working system--minus the hard drive of course--with the original monitor , keyboard , mouse and Apple ( Canon ) inkjet printer .
It 's old , slow and only runs the Mac OS up to system 8 , but just glancing at it collecting dust in the corner of the attic brings back memories from my teenage years .
I 'd love to resurrect it for my kids to play games and do digital art on , and I admit , for me to hack around on when they are at school.And yes , I know I could just fire up Basilisk II or SheepShaver and access the same software on my current system , but it 's just not the same feeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nostalgia can be a strong motivator.
I'm still on the lookout for a 50-pin internal SCSI hard drive under 2GB for my Apple Performa 460 up in the attic.
It's a complete and working system--minus the hard drive of course--with the original monitor, keyboard, mouse and Apple (Canon) inkjet printer.
It's old, slow and only runs the Mac OS up to system 8, but just glancing at it collecting dust in the corner of the attic brings back memories from my teenage years.
I'd love to resurrect it for my kids to play games and do digital art on, and I admit, for me to hack around on when they are at school.And yes, I know I could just fire up Basilisk II or SheepShaver and access the same software on my current system, but it's just not the same feeling.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930147</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People found out they don't need the latest and greatest to do simple things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People found out they do n't need the latest and greatest to do simple things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People found out they don't need the latest and greatest to do simple things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929957</id>
	<title>Unless you *have* to have linux..</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1256904240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go for NetBSD instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go for NetBSD instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go for NetBSD instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29947400</id>
	<title>Zipslack!</title>
	<author>Tastecicles</author>
	<datestamp>1257097740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have Zipslack running on a 486 DX4/120 notebook with 24MB RAM. FVWM and it does everything I need in a 120MB basic install (as the name suggests, it fits on a zip disk!). I don't think the notebook has the boots for a 240MB KDE install...</p><p>The way I did it, because the laptop had neither CDROM nor USB, was to pull the 500MB drive, format it to FAT, add basic DOS boot image (IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM, customised but basic CONFIG.SYS) then make a directory called "LINUX" (yes, very original) then install the Zipslack DOS image straight onto it. Moved the LOADLIN.BAT to that folder as well. Replaced the drive, booted and typed "LINUX/LOADLIN". Later on, I added a single line "LINUX/LOADLIN", to AUTOEXEC.BAT so power-on-to-login was entirely automated.</p><p>Caveat: the latest kernels have broken the UMSDOS filesystem and there is no plan to fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Zipslack running on a 486 DX4/120 notebook with 24MB RAM .
FVWM and it does everything I need in a 120MB basic install ( as the name suggests , it fits on a zip disk ! ) .
I do n't think the notebook has the boots for a 240MB KDE install...The way I did it , because the laptop had neither CDROM nor USB , was to pull the 500MB drive , format it to FAT , add basic DOS boot image ( IO.SYS , MSDOS.SYS , COMMAND.COM , customised but basic CONFIG.SYS ) then make a directory called " LINUX " ( yes , very original ) then install the Zipslack DOS image straight onto it .
Moved the LOADLIN.BAT to that folder as well .
Replaced the drive , booted and typed " LINUX/LOADLIN " .
Later on , I added a single line " LINUX/LOADLIN " , to AUTOEXEC.BAT so power-on-to-login was entirely automated.Caveat : the latest kernels have broken the UMSDOS filesystem and there is no plan to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Zipslack running on a 486 DX4/120 notebook with 24MB RAM.
FVWM and it does everything I need in a 120MB basic install (as the name suggests, it fits on a zip disk!).
I don't think the notebook has the boots for a 240MB KDE install...The way I did it, because the laptop had neither CDROM nor USB, was to pull the 500MB drive, format it to FAT, add basic DOS boot image (IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM, customised but basic CONFIG.SYS) then make a directory called "LINUX" (yes, very original) then install the Zipslack DOS image straight onto it.
Moved the LOADLIN.BAT to that folder as well.
Replaced the drive, booted and typed "LINUX/LOADLIN".
Later on, I added a single line "LINUX/LOADLIN", to AUTOEXEC.BAT so power-on-to-login was entirely automated.Caveat: the latest kernels have broken the UMSDOS filesystem and there is no plan to fix it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937789</id>
	<title>why bother?</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1256991780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jeez a 486, why bother? I'm sure you could find a much higher spec laptop on ebay for next to nothing.<br>I mean realistically even if you got your 486 running, it would be dog slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jeez a 486 , why bother ?
I 'm sure you could find a much higher spec laptop on ebay for next to nothing.I mean realistically even if you got your 486 running , it would be dog slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jeez a 486, why bother?
I'm sure you could find a much higher spec laptop on ebay for next to nothing.I mean realistically even if you got your 486 running, it would be dog slow.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929561</id>
	<title>Rule Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rule linux can do what your asking. Or at least it would the last time I tried it. These days it's based on Fedora Core 7<br>http://rule-project.org/  Puppy Linux may also fit the bill http://www.puppylinux.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rule linux can do what your asking .
Or at least it would the last time I tried it .
These days it 's based on Fedora Core 7http : //rule-project.org/ Puppy Linux may also fit the bill http : //www.puppylinux.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rule linux can do what your asking.
Or at least it would the last time I tried it.
These days it's based on Fedora Core 7http://rule-project.org/  Puppy Linux may also fit the bill http://www.puppylinux.org/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929807</id>
	<title>Maybe Gentoo? Read 1st before modding down.</title>
	<author>miknix</author>
	<datestamp>1256903280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know most of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. crowd is not Gentoo friendly, we even have a Gentoo meme<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>But seriously.. You can use emerge, with portage et all, to build a small and optimized/dedicated Gentoo based distribution for that laptop. You don't even need to put portage on the laptop, just use emerge on somewhere else to build packages for it. Emerge will take care of cross-compiling, etc..<br>As simple as I can put it, think on it as a Box with a repository-toolchain capable of building packages for *other* Box, while still keeping track of package updates and dependencies.</p><p>NOTE: A "full install" of Gentoo is not required for building gentoo based distros, you can setup a Gentoo chroot (you only want portage and emerge afterall, don't you?) on your debian/fedora/whetever box, or even setup a Gentoo prefix on MacOSX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know most of the / .
crowd is not Gentoo friendly , we even have a Gentoo meme : ) But seriously.. You can use emerge , with portage et all , to build a small and optimized/dedicated Gentoo based distribution for that laptop .
You do n't even need to put portage on the laptop , just use emerge on somewhere else to build packages for it .
Emerge will take care of cross-compiling , etc..As simple as I can put it , think on it as a Box with a repository-toolchain capable of building packages for * other * Box , while still keeping track of package updates and dependencies.NOTE : A " full install " of Gentoo is not required for building gentoo based distros , you can setup a Gentoo chroot ( you only want portage and emerge afterall , do n't you ?
) on your debian/fedora/whetever box , or even setup a Gentoo prefix on MacOSX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know most of the /.
crowd is not Gentoo friendly, we even have a Gentoo meme :)But seriously.. You can use emerge, with portage et all, to build a small and optimized/dedicated Gentoo based distribution for that laptop.
You don't even need to put portage on the laptop, just use emerge on somewhere else to build packages for it.
Emerge will take care of cross-compiling, etc..As simple as I can put it, think on it as a Box with a repository-toolchain capable of building packages for *other* Box, while still keeping track of package updates and dependencies.NOTE: A "full install" of Gentoo is not required for building gentoo based distros, you can setup a Gentoo chroot (you only want portage and emerge afterall, don't you?
) on your debian/fedora/whetever box, or even setup a Gentoo prefix on MacOSX.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932169</id>
	<title>Upgrade... and then play!  But reconsider X.</title>
	<author>PhotoJim</author>
	<datestamp>1256923860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of the other posters (that I've seen at least) have recommended that you upgrade the hard disk.  You absolutely can.  It will be some work but it will be worth it.  A multi-gigabyte hard disk will make your system a lot more useful.</p><p>Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use\% Mounted on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/hda3             2.2G  913M  1.2G  44\% /<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/hda1              89M   85M     0 100\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda1             3.8G  1.8G  1.9G  49\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/hdb1             1.4G  222M  1.1G  17\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/hdb2             1.6G  374M  1.2G  25\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/home</p><p>That's from my 486sx25 with 32 MB of RAM.  No X, though.  And not a laptop.</p><p>Just remember that you need a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot partition if your machine can't natively see large hard disks.  My machine choked hard on the 2.2G IDE drive I put into it, so a 100-megabyte<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/boot solved the problem nicely.</p><p>Maximize the RAM.  This will help too.  Unfortunately 32 MB is the maximum mine will take.  (In theory it might take more; there are larger 30-pin SIMMs than I'm using now, but my machine wasn't built for them, so I haven't bothered trying them.  They might work but they would probably be a waste of money.)</p><p>This is a waste of time.  Some wastes of time are still fun.  If it entertains you to do this, do it.  I keep my 486 running out of nostalgia only (it was my first *nix box).</p><p>Incidentally if you want some low-end box projects, check out <a href="http://www.lowendbox.com/wiki" title="lowendbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lowendbox.com/wiki</a> [lowendbox.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the author is really interested in very modest VPSes (sub-$5 a month for many) but the principles would apply to modest whole-computer systems too.  I put lighttpd on my 486 out of inspiration from that wiki.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the other posters ( that I 've seen at least ) have recommended that you upgrade the hard disk .
You absolutely can .
It will be some work but it will be worth it .
A multi-gigabyte hard disk will make your system a lot more useful.Filesystem Size Used Avail Use \ % Mounted on /dev/hda3 2.2G 913M 1.2G 44 \ % / /dev/hda1 89M 85M 0 100 \ % /boot /dev/sda1 3.8G 1.8G 1.9G 49 \ % /usr /dev/hdb1 1.4G 222M 1.1G 17 \ % /var /dev/hdb2 1.6G 374M 1.2G 25 \ % /homeThat 's from my 486sx25 with 32 MB of RAM .
No X , though .
And not a laptop.Just remember that you need a /boot partition if your machine ca n't natively see large hard disks .
My machine choked hard on the 2.2G IDE drive I put into it , so a 100-megabyte /boot solved the problem nicely.Maximize the RAM .
This will help too .
Unfortunately 32 MB is the maximum mine will take .
( In theory it might take more ; there are larger 30-pin SIMMs than I 'm using now , but my machine was n't built for them , so I have n't bothered trying them .
They might work but they would probably be a waste of money .
) This is a waste of time .
Some wastes of time are still fun .
If it entertains you to do this , do it .
I keep my 486 running out of nostalgia only ( it was my first * nix box ) .Incidentally if you want some low-end box projects , check out http : //www.lowendbox.com/wiki [ lowendbox.com ] ... the author is really interested in very modest VPSes ( sub- $ 5 a month for many ) but the principles would apply to modest whole-computer systems too .
I put lighttpd on my 486 out of inspiration from that wiki .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the other posters (that I've seen at least) have recommended that you upgrade the hard disk.
You absolutely can.
It will be some work but it will be worth it.
A multi-gigabyte hard disk will make your system a lot more useful.Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use\% Mounted on /dev/hda3             2.2G  913M  1.2G  44\% / /dev/hda1              89M   85M     0 100\% /boot /dev/sda1             3.8G  1.8G  1.9G  49\% /usr /dev/hdb1             1.4G  222M  1.1G  17\% /var /dev/hdb2             1.6G  374M  1.2G  25\% /homeThat's from my 486sx25 with 32 MB of RAM.
No X, though.
And not a laptop.Just remember that you need a /boot partition if your machine can't natively see large hard disks.
My machine choked hard on the 2.2G IDE drive I put into it, so a 100-megabyte /boot solved the problem nicely.Maximize the RAM.
This will help too.
Unfortunately 32 MB is the maximum mine will take.
(In theory it might take more; there are larger 30-pin SIMMs than I'm using now, but my machine wasn't built for them, so I haven't bothered trying them.
They might work but they would probably be a waste of money.
)This is a waste of time.
Some wastes of time are still fun.
If it entertains you to do this, do it.
I keep my 486 running out of nostalgia only (it was my first *nix box).Incidentally if you want some low-end box projects, check out http://www.lowendbox.com/wiki [lowendbox.com] ... the author is really interested in very modest VPSes (sub-$5 a month for many) but the principles would apply to modest whole-computer systems too.
I put lighttpd on my 486 out of inspiration from that wiki.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932077</id>
	<title>The framebuffer is your friend!</title>
	<author>akanouras</author>
	<datestamp>1256922600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol>
<li>1. Attach disk to a more powerful machine</li><li>2. Install barebones Debian (no tasks, forget Xorg)</li><li>3. <tt>aptitude install fbset links2 fbterm</tt> </li><li>4. Modify the kernel's boot parameters (in your GRUB configuration) so that it loads a framebuffer driver.
<p>
Use:<br>
<br>
<tt>find<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname '*fb.ko' -print0 | xargs -0n1 basename | sed 's/\.ko$//g'</tt> <br>
<br>
to get a list of available framebuffer drivers. Possible candidates are: <tt>uvesafb,vesafb,vga16fb</tt> or possibly a specialised driver for your VGA card, if you can see one.
</p><p>
The syntax (in Linux 2.6?) in most cases is <tt>video:DRIVER:XRESxYRES-BPP</tt>.<br>
Here's what I'm using: <tt>video=uvesafb:1024x768-32,mtrr:3,ywrap</tt>
</p></li><li>5. Attach the disk back to the POS.</li><li>6. Use <tt>links2</tt> as your browser in VC1 (Alt+F1). It supports images, some JS and some CSS(?). You'll be able to read Slashdot in its familiar format with it (which I assume is the point of this exercise). It can use either a framebuffer or SVGAlib.
</li><li>7. Use <tt>fbterm</tt> as your terminal emulator in VC2 (Alt+F2). It supports multiple buffers. This one requires a framebuffer to work or else you'll have to make do with the standard linux console (VC2-VC64).</li></ol><p>
Note: I'm not sure if the above will work with 28MB RAM. In that case, you can try the latest 2.4 kernel from <a href="http://kernel.org/" title="kernel.org" rel="nofollow">kernel.org</a> [kernel.org] and <tt>links2</tt> using SVGAlib.<br>
Also: Don't try running <tt>aptitude</tt> on the POS, you're in for a world of misery.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P
</p><p>
Good luck!
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Attach disk to a more powerful machine2 .
Install barebones Debian ( no tasks , forget Xorg ) 3. aptitude install fbset links2 fbterm 4 .
Modify the kernel 's boot parameters ( in your GRUB configuration ) so that it loads a framebuffer driver .
Use : find /lib/modules/ ` uname -r ` -iname ' * fb.ko ' -print0 | xargs -0n1 basename | sed 's/ \ .ko $ //g ' to get a list of available framebuffer drivers .
Possible candidates are : uvesafb,vesafb,vga16fb or possibly a specialised driver for your VGA card , if you can see one .
The syntax ( in Linux 2.6 ?
) in most cases is video : DRIVER : XRESxYRES-BPP .
Here 's what I 'm using : video = uvesafb : 1024x768-32,mtrr : 3,ywrap 5 .
Attach the disk back to the POS.6 .
Use links2 as your browser in VC1 ( Alt + F1 ) .
It supports images , some JS and some CSS ( ? ) .
You 'll be able to read Slashdot in its familiar format with it ( which I assume is the point of this exercise ) .
It can use either a framebuffer or SVGAlib .
7. Use fbterm as your terminal emulator in VC2 ( Alt + F2 ) .
It supports multiple buffers .
This one requires a framebuffer to work or else you 'll have to make do with the standard linux console ( VC2-VC64 ) .
Note : I 'm not sure if the above will work with 28MB RAM .
In that case , you can try the latest 2.4 kernel from kernel.org [ kernel.org ] and links2 using SVGAlib .
Also : Do n't try running aptitude on the POS , you 're in for a world of misery .
: -P Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
1.
Attach disk to a more powerful machine2.
Install barebones Debian (no tasks, forget Xorg)3. aptitude install fbset links2 fbterm 4.
Modify the kernel's boot parameters (in your GRUB configuration) so that it loads a framebuffer driver.
Use:

find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname '*fb.ko' -print0 | xargs -0n1 basename | sed 's/\.ko$//g' 

to get a list of available framebuffer drivers.
Possible candidates are: uvesafb,vesafb,vga16fb or possibly a specialised driver for your VGA card, if you can see one.
The syntax (in Linux 2.6?
) in most cases is video:DRIVER:XRESxYRES-BPP.
Here's what I'm using: video=uvesafb:1024x768-32,mtrr:3,ywrap
5.
Attach the disk back to the POS.6.
Use links2 as your browser in VC1 (Alt+F1).
It supports images, some JS and some CSS(?).
You'll be able to read Slashdot in its familiar format with it (which I assume is the point of this exercise).
It can use either a framebuffer or SVGAlib.
7. Use fbterm as your terminal emulator in VC2 (Alt+F2).
It supports multiple buffers.
This one requires a framebuffer to work or else you'll have to make do with the standard linux console (VC2-VC64).
Note: I'm not sure if the above will work with 28MB RAM.
In that case, you can try the latest 2.4 kernel from kernel.org [kernel.org] and links2 using SVGAlib.
Also: Don't try running aptitude on the POS, you're in for a world of misery.
:-P

Good luck!
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929585</id>
	<title>A rare item.</title>
	<author>hebertrich</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're lucky and can actually find it , QNX had a whole distro on a floppy.<br>It was intended as a demo , but had full features like file browsing and some net.<br>That might be able to boot the machine. But frankly , i know of no other distro<br>still able to boot and install via a floppy.This will prove interresting to follow.<br>Im just as eager to find out as you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Happy hacking</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're lucky and can actually find it , QNX had a whole distro on a floppy.It was intended as a demo , but had full features like file browsing and some net.That might be able to boot the machine .
But frankly , i know of no other distrostill able to boot and install via a floppy.This will prove interresting to follow.Im just as eager to find out as you : ) Happy hacking</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're lucky and can actually find it , QNX had a whole distro on a floppy.It was intended as a demo , but had full features like file browsing and some net.That might be able to boot the machine.
But frankly , i know of no other distrostill able to boot and install via a floppy.This will prove interresting to follow.Im just as eager to find out as you :)Happy hacking</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930585</id>
	<title>Re: A rare item.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1256907780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why use a floppy?  take out the hard drive and install the base OS to the drive from a host PC.  I do that all the time with tablets as they dont have CD or floppy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why use a floppy ?
take out the hard drive and install the base OS to the drive from a host PC .
I do that all the time with tablets as they dont have CD or floppy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why use a floppy?
take out the hard drive and install the base OS to the drive from a host PC.
I do that all the time with tablets as they dont have CD or floppy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930007</id>
	<title>DSL (DAMM SMALL LINUX)</title>
	<author>Fallen Kell</author>
	<datestamp>1256904660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go take a look. It is around 50MB of space. Yes, it is typically a live CD, or USB distro. But that doesn't mean you can't get it to work. I personally have installed it on a system without CD/DVD, USB, etc., by doing a network install. That may or may not work in your case, as I do not know any PCMCIA network cards which support PXE-boot. That said, you could remove the hard drive. Pop it into another computer and do the install that way. The live CD distributions do a full hardware check even after doing a hard-drive install, so as long as it can detect your hardware normally, it will work even after you pop it back into your laptop. You won't find another light weight distribution that is as fully functioning as DSL out there. You can even get apt-get to work with DSL to install some other applications if you want (assuming that the system has enough power to run them).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go take a look .
It is around 50MB of space .
Yes , it is typically a live CD , or USB distro .
But that does n't mean you ca n't get it to work .
I personally have installed it on a system without CD/DVD , USB , etc. , by doing a network install .
That may or may not work in your case , as I do not know any PCMCIA network cards which support PXE-boot .
That said , you could remove the hard drive .
Pop it into another computer and do the install that way .
The live CD distributions do a full hardware check even after doing a hard-drive install , so as long as it can detect your hardware normally , it will work even after you pop it back into your laptop .
You wo n't find another light weight distribution that is as fully functioning as DSL out there .
You can even get apt-get to work with DSL to install some other applications if you want ( assuming that the system has enough power to run them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go take a look.
It is around 50MB of space.
Yes, it is typically a live CD, or USB distro.
But that doesn't mean you can't get it to work.
I personally have installed it on a system without CD/DVD, USB, etc., by doing a network install.
That may or may not work in your case, as I do not know any PCMCIA network cards which support PXE-boot.
That said, you could remove the hard drive.
Pop it into another computer and do the install that way.
The live CD distributions do a full hardware check even after doing a hard-drive install, so as long as it can detect your hardware normally, it will work even after you pop it back into your laptop.
You won't find another light weight distribution that is as fully functioning as DSL out there.
You can even get apt-get to work with DSL to install some other applications if you want (assuming that the system has enough power to run them).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929571</id>
	<title>Personal Experince</title>
	<author>Jean-Luc Picard</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can attest to BasicLinux on old hardware like yours, at 2 Floppys worth of space, X and Links pre-iinstalled

<a href="http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/" title="ibiblio.org" rel="nofollow">http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/</a> [ibiblio.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can attest to BasicLinux on old hardware like yours , at 2 Floppys worth of space , X and Links pre-iinstalled http : //distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/ [ ibiblio.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can attest to BasicLinux on old hardware like yours, at 2 Floppys worth of space, X and Links pre-iinstalled

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/ [ibiblio.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934013</id>
	<title>RedHat 5.2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed RedHat 5.2(Apollo, 1998) on a 486SX 25MHz, 8MB of RAM.  I still have it.  I had the same issue as you.  No CDROM.  I has a DNS and DHCP server on it.  It only has a floppy and an ISA NIC for external adapters.  Boot 1 floppy and then installed the OS to the HD over NFS.  I would use that or Slackware 4.0.  Both really stable.  They are the best period OS's from that era.  As far as updates, put it behind a good firewall which you should have anyway.  It's a non-issue.  Your system should scream compared to mine.  If you have to go buy an ISA NIC card make sure it has jumpers to configure the IRQs and MEM address.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed RedHat 5.2 ( Apollo , 1998 ) on a 486SX 25MHz , 8MB of RAM .
I still have it .
I had the same issue as you .
No CDROM .
I has a DNS and DHCP server on it .
It only has a floppy and an ISA NIC for external adapters .
Boot 1 floppy and then installed the OS to the HD over NFS .
I would use that or Slackware 4.0 .
Both really stable .
They are the best period OS 's from that era .
As far as updates , put it behind a good firewall which you should have anyway .
It 's a non-issue .
Your system should scream compared to mine .
If you have to go buy an ISA NIC card make sure it has jumpers to configure the IRQs and MEM address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed RedHat 5.2(Apollo, 1998) on a 486SX 25MHz, 8MB of RAM.
I still have it.
I had the same issue as you.
No CDROM.
I has a DNS and DHCP server on it.
It only has a floppy and an ISA NIC for external adapters.
Boot 1 floppy and then installed the OS to the HD over NFS.
I would use that or Slackware 4.0.
Both really stable.
They are the best period OS's from that era.
As far as updates, put it behind a good firewall which you should have anyway.
It's a non-issue.
Your system should scream compared to mine.
If you have to go buy an ISA NIC card make sure it has jumpers to configure the IRQs and MEM address.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932379</id>
	<title>Time / Effort value</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256927280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised no one mentioned it... perhaps geek nestalgia keeps the perspective at bay...<br>someone mentioned a $100 cell phone, which is close...</p><p>I have to wonder, how much is your time worth? how much time will you spend getting an old relic to operate, and possibly even interact with the world around it? If all you need is telnet/SSH, sure you'll be fine... but as it's already been mentioned, web browser needs are well beyond what that machine will handle.</p><p>If you have nothing to do, no job to worry about, sure, spin your wheels... for those with jobs, feel free to calculate your hourly rate (I use the ratio of 10k/yr = $5/hr, which I think is close enough), and determine how much money it'll spend to write the floppies (if you have another machine w/ floppy drives, and the cost of disks), install, perform updates, etc.</p><p>I'm not suggesting you spend every dime for the latest and greatest... but I'd at least consider something with a P4 or greater, 256-512 RAM... such computers can be found on ebay and CL for $25-50 (the TRUE value, for all you over pricing CL'ers!).<br>Chances are, the monitor will be the biggest expense, and I imagine you've already got one.</p><p>point being, keep the value of computers in mind, and as importantly, the value of your time!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised no one mentioned it... perhaps geek nestalgia keeps the perspective at bay...someone mentioned a $ 100 cell phone , which is close...I have to wonder , how much is your time worth ?
how much time will you spend getting an old relic to operate , and possibly even interact with the world around it ?
If all you need is telnet/SSH , sure you 'll be fine... but as it 's already been mentioned , web browser needs are well beyond what that machine will handle.If you have nothing to do , no job to worry about , sure , spin your wheels... for those with jobs , feel free to calculate your hourly rate ( I use the ratio of 10k/yr = $ 5/hr , which I think is close enough ) , and determine how much money it 'll spend to write the floppies ( if you have another machine w/ floppy drives , and the cost of disks ) , install , perform updates , etc.I 'm not suggesting you spend every dime for the latest and greatest... but I 'd at least consider something with a P4 or greater , 256-512 RAM... such computers can be found on ebay and CL for $ 25-50 ( the TRUE value , for all you over pricing CL'ers !
) .Chances are , the monitor will be the biggest expense , and I imagine you 've already got one.point being , keep the value of computers in mind , and as importantly , the value of your time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised no one mentioned it... perhaps geek nestalgia keeps the perspective at bay...someone mentioned a $100 cell phone, which is close...I have to wonder, how much is your time worth?
how much time will you spend getting an old relic to operate, and possibly even interact with the world around it?
If all you need is telnet/SSH, sure you'll be fine... but as it's already been mentioned, web browser needs are well beyond what that machine will handle.If you have nothing to do, no job to worry about, sure, spin your wheels... for those with jobs, feel free to calculate your hourly rate (I use the ratio of 10k/yr = $5/hr, which I think is close enough), and determine how much money it'll spend to write the floppies (if you have another machine w/ floppy drives, and the cost of disks), install, perform updates, etc.I'm not suggesting you spend every dime for the latest and greatest... but I'd at least consider something with a P4 or greater, 256-512 RAM... such computers can be found on ebay and CL for $25-50 (the TRUE value, for all you over pricing CL'ers!
).Chances are, the monitor will be the biggest expense, and I imagine you've already got one.point being, keep the value of computers in mind, and as importantly, the value of your time!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929805</id>
	<title>DSL</title>
	<author>TheQuantumShift</author>
	<datestamp>1256903280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't mention if a floppy is accessible, but if it is, <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/network-install.html" title="damnsmalllinux.org">here</a> [damnsmalllinux.org] you go. DSL is just about the most minimal functioning distro I have found. Of course there is always <a href="http://www.slackware.com/install/rootdisk.php" title="slackware.com">slack</a> [slackware.com], but you'll have to go a few versions back to install using floppies and network. And there's always a way to <a href="http://www.google.com/products?q=pcmcia+usb+adapter&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=m2zrSrzaMpOKNb3p8MUE&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=product\_result\_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CCMQrQQwAA" title="google.com">get usb</a> [google.com] but I doubt you'd be able to boot from it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't mention if a floppy is accessible , but if it is , here [ damnsmalllinux.org ] you go .
DSL is just about the most minimal functioning distro I have found .
Of course there is always slack [ slackware.com ] , but you 'll have to go a few versions back to install using floppies and network .
And there 's always a way to get usb [ google.com ] but I doubt you 'd be able to boot from it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't mention if a floppy is accessible, but if it is, here [damnsmalllinux.org] you go.
DSL is just about the most minimal functioning distro I have found.
Of course there is always slack [slackware.com], but you'll have to go a few versions back to install using floppies and network.
And there's always a way to get usb [google.com] but I doubt you'd be able to boot from it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929595</id>
	<title>Damn Small Linux</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1256901960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/" title="damnsmalllinux.org">Damn Small Linux</a> [damnsmalllinux.org] It sounds like exactly what you want. It will run on a 486 with 16MB of RAM, and 50MB harddrive. It runs X, Dillo is included, and has several install methods available, not just live disks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried Damn Small Linux [ damnsmalllinux.org ] It sounds like exactly what you want .
It will run on a 486 with 16MB of RAM , and 50MB harddrive .
It runs X , Dillo is included , and has several install methods available , not just live disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried Damn Small Linux [damnsmalllinux.org] It sounds like exactly what you want.
It will run on a 486 with 16MB of RAM, and 50MB harddrive.
It runs X, Dillo is included, and has several install methods available, not just live disks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932855</id>
	<title>use DSL: Damn Small Linux</title>
	<author>tjanke</author>
	<datestamp>1256980860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The answer to your question is "Damn Small Linux".  You can install it from floppies; instructions here: <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html" title="damnsmalllinux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html</a> [damnsmalllinux.org].  Runs beautifully on lower spec hardware than you've got.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer to your question is " Damn Small Linux " .
You can install it from floppies ; instructions here : http : //www.damnsmalllinux.org/install \ _from \ _floppy.html [ damnsmalllinux.org ] .
Runs beautifully on lower spec hardware than you 've got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer to your question is "Damn Small Linux".
You can install it from floppies; instructions here: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/install\_from\_floppy.html [damnsmalllinux.org].
Runs beautifully on lower spec hardware than you've got.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929673</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>arodland</author>
	<datestamp>1256902260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Older than it needs to be. I ran Slackware 4 (just about contemporary with Redhat 6.0) on a laptop with lower specs than that, no problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Older than it needs to be .
I ran Slackware 4 ( just about contemporary with Redhat 6.0 ) on a laptop with lower specs than that , no problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Older than it needs to be.
I ran Slackware 4 (just about contemporary with Redhat 6.0) on a laptop with lower specs than that, no problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931315</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Carnildo</author>
	<datestamp>1256914380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't install Gentoo unassisted on that machine: you can't fit both the Portage tree and the compile environment into 720MB, and 28MB of RAM requires the use of a great deal of swap.  I'd do the following:</p><p>1) Partition the hard drive into a 250MB swap partition, a 20MB bootstrap partition, and a 450MB system partition<br>2) Install a floppy-era Linux on the bootstrap partition.<br>3) Using the bootstrap Linux to give you network access, mount network drives for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/portage,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/tmp, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/tmp.<br>4) Install Gentoo using gcc-3.4 and an appropriately old glibc.<br>5) Install a lightweight DE and apps.</p><p>Steps 4 and 5 will take you about a week on the hardware mentioned.  After that, routine upgrades will take no more than an hour or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't install Gentoo unassisted on that machine : you ca n't fit both the Portage tree and the compile environment into 720MB , and 28MB of RAM requires the use of a great deal of swap .
I 'd do the following : 1 ) Partition the hard drive into a 250MB swap partition , a 20MB bootstrap partition , and a 450MB system partition2 ) Install a floppy-era Linux on the bootstrap partition.3 ) Using the bootstrap Linux to give you network access , mount network drives for /usr/portage , /var/tmp , and /tmp.4 ) Install Gentoo using gcc-3.4 and an appropriately old glibc.5 ) Install a lightweight DE and apps.Steps 4 and 5 will take you about a week on the hardware mentioned .
After that , routine upgrades will take no more than an hour or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't install Gentoo unassisted on that machine: you can't fit both the Portage tree and the compile environment into 720MB, and 28MB of RAM requires the use of a great deal of swap.
I'd do the following:1) Partition the hard drive into a 250MB swap partition, a 20MB bootstrap partition, and a 450MB system partition2) Install a floppy-era Linux on the bootstrap partition.3) Using the bootstrap Linux to give you network access, mount network drives for /usr/portage, /var/tmp, and /tmp.4) Install Gentoo using gcc-3.4 and an appropriately old glibc.5) Install a lightweight DE and apps.Steps 4 and 5 will take you about a week on the hardware mentioned.
After that, routine upgrades will take no more than an hour or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29981318</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Longstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1257014400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>4) install distccd on a bigger system on the same network; emerge distcc as soon as possible on the smaller system</htmltext>
<tokenext>4 ) install distccd on a bigger system on the same network ; emerge distcc as soon as possible on the smaller system</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4) install distccd on a bigger system on the same network; emerge distcc as soon as possible on the smaller system</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29938345</id>
	<title>Unless time != money</title>
	<author>sku158</author>
	<datestamp>1256997900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>486 in the days of i7 is it really worth your time?  even if you revive it, the second you hit its limit the second you wish you had not spend days trying.  the issue is that all other software had moved on.  i tried it with a 1 gHz P3 toshiba laptop, but then it couldn't even play youtube videos in decent smoothness.  DSL/kubuntu what not, it's just not worth the two days trying various distros and drivers, compile my own drivers to make it work at a frustrating fashion.  go shop craigslist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>486 in the days of i7 is it really worth your time ?
even if you revive it , the second you hit its limit the second you wish you had not spend days trying .
the issue is that all other software had moved on .
i tried it with a 1 gHz P3 toshiba laptop , but then it could n't even play youtube videos in decent smoothness .
DSL/kubuntu what not , it 's just not worth the two days trying various distros and drivers , compile my own drivers to make it work at a frustrating fashion .
go shop craigslist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>486 in the days of i7 is it really worth your time?
even if you revive it, the second you hit its limit the second you wish you had not spend days trying.
the issue is that all other software had moved on.
i tried it with a 1 gHz P3 toshiba laptop, but then it couldn't even play youtube videos in decent smoothness.
DSL/kubuntu what not, it's just not worth the two days trying various distros and drivers, compile my own drivers to make it work at a frustrating fashion.
go shop craigslist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931061</id>
	<title>My $.02</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1256911380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in general agreement with the "that's WAY to old to be worthwhile" crowd here but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask "resurrect for what purpose?" There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009:</p><ul> <li>Music player? Probably not. A fast 486 is absolutely at the bottom end of what can decode MP3, and I've only seen DOS (not Linux) players that claim to work on a 486</li><li>Make it a console-only system: easy enough to do, plenty of distros will give you a CLI and network drivers. Then you can use it to... SSH places.</li><li>But you mentioned X, so you probably want a GUI. OK, to do what? Games? Tetris would be fine, but nothing newer than DOOM will run on a 486.</li><li>Browsing station? Well, you can either run an old browser, which won't render any modern pages worth a damn, or you can run a more modern browser, which will be slow as death on that hardware.</li></ul><p>So really, yeah, I can see there are things you can do, and I can appreciate not wanting to waste something, but I just can't see anything really worthwhile that could be done with this hardware outside of single-purpose stuff like a dumb terminal, recipe database, weather station, etc. Only worth pursuing if you have lots of spare time or just really love to tinker of the sake of tinkering.</p><p>Also: even though it's a laptop, I can't imagine the battery is any good, and replacements are probably hard to find by now, so it'll either be stationary, or portable to the extent that you can go anywhere as long as you're within 10 feet of a power outlet. So I can't see you taking this thing to coffeeshops or conferences or anything.  If you have a particular goal you want to reach--say you love taking notes in vi and want something you can take to conferences--then you'd be better off getting a newer unit with wireless and a decent battery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in general agreement with the " that 's WAY to old to be worthwhile " crowd here but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask " resurrect for what purpose ?
" There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009 : Music player ?
Probably not .
A fast 486 is absolutely at the bottom end of what can decode MP3 , and I 've only seen DOS ( not Linux ) players that claim to work on a 486Make it a console-only system : easy enough to do , plenty of distros will give you a CLI and network drivers .
Then you can use it to... SSH places.But you mentioned X , so you probably want a GUI .
OK , to do what ?
Games ? Tetris would be fine , but nothing newer than DOOM will run on a 486.Browsing station ?
Well , you can either run an old browser , which wo n't render any modern pages worth a damn , or you can run a more modern browser , which will be slow as death on that hardware.So really , yeah , I can see there are things you can do , and I can appreciate not wanting to waste something , but I just ca n't see anything really worthwhile that could be done with this hardware outside of single-purpose stuff like a dumb terminal , recipe database , weather station , etc .
Only worth pursuing if you have lots of spare time or just really love to tinker of the sake of tinkering.Also : even though it 's a laptop , I ca n't imagine the battery is any good , and replacements are probably hard to find by now , so it 'll either be stationary , or portable to the extent that you can go anywhere as long as you 're within 10 feet of a power outlet .
So I ca n't see you taking this thing to coffeeshops or conferences or anything .
If you have a particular goal you want to reach--say you love taking notes in vi and want something you can take to conferences--then you 'd be better off getting a newer unit with wireless and a decent battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in general agreement with the "that's WAY to old to be worthwhile" crowd here but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask "resurrect for what purpose?
" There are very few thing that can truly be done with a 486 in 2009: Music player?
Probably not.
A fast 486 is absolutely at the bottom end of what can decode MP3, and I've only seen DOS (not Linux) players that claim to work on a 486Make it a console-only system: easy enough to do, plenty of distros will give you a CLI and network drivers.
Then you can use it to... SSH places.But you mentioned X, so you probably want a GUI.
OK, to do what?
Games? Tetris would be fine, but nothing newer than DOOM will run on a 486.Browsing station?
Well, you can either run an old browser, which won't render any modern pages worth a damn, or you can run a more modern browser, which will be slow as death on that hardware.So really, yeah, I can see there are things you can do, and I can appreciate not wanting to waste something, but I just can't see anything really worthwhile that could be done with this hardware outside of single-purpose stuff like a dumb terminal, recipe database, weather station, etc.
Only worth pursuing if you have lots of spare time or just really love to tinker of the sake of tinkering.Also: even though it's a laptop, I can't imagine the battery is any good, and replacements are probably hard to find by now, so it'll either be stationary, or portable to the extent that you can go anywhere as long as you're within 10 feet of a power outlet.
So I can't see you taking this thing to coffeeshops or conferences or anything.
If you have a particular goal you want to reach--say you love taking notes in vi and want something you can take to conferences--then you'd be better off getting a newer unit with wireless and a decent battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930083</id>
	<title>LTSP / VNC / XDMCP Similar "Dump Terminal" Option</title>
	<author>madstork2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256905020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using anything other than the most very basic console will be painful on a machine that old.  Someone suggested using older software, but that won't be very fun, since the web will be practically useless on an old browser.</p><p>i have a Toshiba from that era that I have used as a dumb terminal on and off over the years.  At one point I had gui-less version of linux, with a frame buffer version of vnc and used it to connect to my main machine.  It was fast and served well as a bed side web browser for years.  At another pointI had a LTSP server set up, and used an LTSP network boot floppy to use it as a dumb terminal.  That was pretty cool too.   Probably the most useful was using XDCMP and just having it login in to the remote X session on another linux box. A basic X setup with XDM and connection to a remote server.  XDMCP worked quite nicely.</p><p>Any of those well proven technologies will make that little old machine useful again, provided you have working network and video drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using anything other than the most very basic console will be painful on a machine that old .
Someone suggested using older software , but that wo n't be very fun , since the web will be practically useless on an old browser.i have a Toshiba from that era that I have used as a dumb terminal on and off over the years .
At one point I had gui-less version of linux , with a frame buffer version of vnc and used it to connect to my main machine .
It was fast and served well as a bed side web browser for years .
At another pointI had a LTSP server set up , and used an LTSP network boot floppy to use it as a dumb terminal .
That was pretty cool too .
Probably the most useful was using XDCMP and just having it login in to the remote X session on another linux box .
A basic X setup with XDM and connection to a remote server .
XDMCP worked quite nicely.Any of those well proven technologies will make that little old machine useful again , provided you have working network and video drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using anything other than the most very basic console will be painful on a machine that old.
Someone suggested using older software, but that won't be very fun, since the web will be practically useless on an old browser.i have a Toshiba from that era that I have used as a dumb terminal on and off over the years.
At one point I had gui-less version of linux, with a frame buffer version of vnc and used it to connect to my main machine.
It was fast and served well as a bed side web browser for years.
At another pointI had a LTSP server set up, and used an LTSP network boot floppy to use it as a dumb terminal.
That was pretty cool too.
Probably the most useful was using XDCMP and just having it login in to the remote X session on another linux box.
A basic X setup with XDM and connection to a remote server.
XDMCP worked quite nicely.Any of those well proven technologies will make that little old machine useful again, provided you have working network and video drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29938589</id>
	<title>MicroXwin</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1257000180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may try a <a href="http://www.microxwin.com/demo.html" title="microxwin.com" rel="nofollow">MicroXwin</a> [microxwin.com] distro.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may try a MicroXwin [ microxwin.com ] distro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may try a MicroXwin [microxwin.com] distro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930013</id>
	<title>Debian or PXE works fine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have current versions of debian running on a Pentium Classic with a 75MHz CPU and 48MB RAM (as a server), and CentOS on a laptop with 64MB RAM running X.</p><ul> <li>Debian supports can be bootstrapped from floppies, and then the rest installs directly from the Internet. It runs on 486 (my Pentium is running the 486 distribution, btw)</li><li>An alternative is to use PXE boot to install any other distribution supporting 486's from a server CD. A PXE boot floppy is needed if the laptop bios does not has built-in PXE support. For the TFTP server, I used dnsmasq.</li></ul><p>After the install, I disabled all unnecessary services, and replaced gnome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have current versions of debian running on a Pentium Classic with a 75MHz CPU and 48MB RAM ( as a server ) , and CentOS on a laptop with 64MB RAM running X. Debian supports can be bootstrapped from floppies , and then the rest installs directly from the Internet .
It runs on 486 ( my Pentium is running the 486 distribution , btw ) An alternative is to use PXE boot to install any other distribution supporting 486 's from a server CD .
A PXE boot floppy is needed if the laptop bios does not has built-in PXE support .
For the TFTP server , I used dnsmasq.After the install , I disabled all unnecessary services , and replaced gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have current versions of debian running on a Pentium Classic with a 75MHz CPU and 48MB RAM (as a server), and CentOS on a laptop with 64MB RAM running X. Debian supports can be bootstrapped from floppies, and then the rest installs directly from the Internet.
It runs on 486 (my Pentium is running the 486 distribution, btw)An alternative is to use PXE boot to install any other distribution supporting 486's from a server CD.
A PXE boot floppy is needed if the laptop bios does not has built-in PXE support.
For the TFTP server, I used dnsmasq.After the install, I disabled all unnecessary services, and replaced gnome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930299</id>
	<title>angstrom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>get angstrom, from angstrom-distribution.org<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. its a debian-based distro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>get angstrom , from angstrom-distribution.org .. its a debian-based distro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get angstrom, from angstrom-distribution.org .. its a debian-based distro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937353</id>
	<title>Debian Sarge?</title>
	<author>incubbus13</author>
	<datestamp>1256986800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran a server for work, apache + qmail + squirrel mail + clamav + spamassassin on Debian Sarge (and I think later Woody, not sure about the timing of that) on a 233mhrz, 32mb ram, 8gig HD box for several years. Then the drive fused solid and the box seized up. But it took like 3-4, maybe even 5 years before that happened. I don't know much about the linux dev world, and if you can still find a copy of Sarge around somewhere, or even if it'll run on your particular architecture, Debian wouldn't run on the replacement for that box. But if you can find it, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. And it's footprint is pretty small.</p><p>K.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran a server for work , apache + qmail + squirrel mail + clamav + spamassassin on Debian Sarge ( and I think later Woody , not sure about the timing of that ) on a 233mhrz , 32mb ram , 8gig HD box for several years .
Then the drive fused solid and the box seized up .
But it took like 3-4 , maybe even 5 years before that happened .
I do n't know much about the linux dev world , and if you can still find a copy of Sarge around somewhere , or even if it 'll run on your particular architecture , Debian would n't run on the replacement for that box .
But if you can find it , I ca n't imagine why it would n't work .
And it 's footprint is pretty small.K .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran a server for work, apache + qmail + squirrel mail + clamav + spamassassin on Debian Sarge (and I think later Woody, not sure about the timing of that) on a 233mhrz, 32mb ram, 8gig HD box for several years.
Then the drive fused solid and the box seized up.
But it took like 3-4, maybe even 5 years before that happened.
I don't know much about the linux dev world, and if you can still find a copy of Sarge around somewhere, or even if it'll run on your particular architecture, Debian wouldn't run on the replacement for that box.
But if you can find it, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work.
And it's footprint is pretty small.K.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930161</id>
	<title>I have a slightly better machine</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1256905560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a Pentium-90 with 64MB of EDO DRAM.  Thing runs Damn Small Linux really well, but it's got rather more RAM than you do.  Might be worth a shot if your BIOS supports booting from a CD -- the very last BIOS update for my box enabled that.  You'll also need a junker 40x (ish) CD-ROM drive: the 6x drive this thing had originally wouldn't support booting either.  I can even run Firefox 2.0 on this; takes 20-30 seconds to start up, and the redraws are slow, but it works a lot better than you'd think.  Dillo's pretty decently fast, but OTOH the browser sucks.</p><p>Were I you, I would go with an older version of Slackware or Debian.  I ran Debian 2.1 on a slightly lesser machine in 1999, and it performed well.  That means being stuck on an obsolete Web browser, of course.  Deb 2.1 shipped with Netscape 4.5x or 4.6x or something like that.  You could probably get away with compiling a recent version of ELinks or Lynx... if those won't work, try doing a static compile on another machine &amp; copy the files over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Pentium-90 with 64MB of EDO DRAM .
Thing runs Damn Small Linux really well , but it 's got rather more RAM than you do .
Might be worth a shot if your BIOS supports booting from a CD -- the very last BIOS update for my box enabled that .
You 'll also need a junker 40x ( ish ) CD-ROM drive : the 6x drive this thing had originally would n't support booting either .
I can even run Firefox 2.0 on this ; takes 20-30 seconds to start up , and the redraws are slow , but it works a lot better than you 'd think .
Dillo 's pretty decently fast , but OTOH the browser sucks.Were I you , I would go with an older version of Slackware or Debian .
I ran Debian 2.1 on a slightly lesser machine in 1999 , and it performed well .
That means being stuck on an obsolete Web browser , of course .
Deb 2.1 shipped with Netscape 4.5x or 4.6x or something like that .
You could probably get away with compiling a recent version of ELinks or Lynx... if those wo n't work , try doing a static compile on another machine &amp; copy the files over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Pentium-90 with 64MB of EDO DRAM.
Thing runs Damn Small Linux really well, but it's got rather more RAM than you do.
Might be worth a shot if your BIOS supports booting from a CD -- the very last BIOS update for my box enabled that.
You'll also need a junker 40x (ish) CD-ROM drive: the 6x drive this thing had originally wouldn't support booting either.
I can even run Firefox 2.0 on this; takes 20-30 seconds to start up, and the redraws are slow, but it works a lot better than you'd think.
Dillo's pretty decently fast, but OTOH the browser sucks.Were I you, I would go with an older version of Slackware or Debian.
I ran Debian 2.1 on a slightly lesser machine in 1999, and it performed well.
That means being stuck on an obsolete Web browser, of course.
Deb 2.1 shipped with Netscape 4.5x or 4.6x or something like that.
You could probably get away with compiling a recent version of ELinks or Lynx... if those won't work, try doing a static compile on another machine &amp; copy the files over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930285</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1256906220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends on how much you value your time. My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC. If you're just tinkering that's one thing, but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any "real" use.<br> <br>The first computer I bought with my own money was a P75. We throw away P3's at work. We're throwing away HP DL320's and moving them all to VM's.<br> <br> <em>"It's dead, Jim".</em> <br> <br>I think when an iPod Touch or modern smartphone has more power than your computer, you can't really call what you have a "computer" in the modern sense of the word. Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $100 -- at that price point it's a disposable item.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on how much you value your time .
My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC .
If you 're just tinkering that 's one thing , but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any " real " use .
The first computer I bought with my own money was a P75 .
We throw away P3 's at work .
We 're throwing away HP DL320 's and moving them all to VM 's .
" It 's dead , Jim " .
I think when an iPod Touch or modern smartphone has more power than your computer , you ca n't really call what you have a " computer " in the modern sense of the word .
Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $ 100 -- at that price point it 's a disposable item .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on how much you value your time.
My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC.
If you're just tinkering that's one thing, but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any "real" use.
The first computer I bought with my own money was a P75.
We throw away P3's at work.
We're throwing away HP DL320's and moving them all to VM's.
"It's dead, Jim".
I think when an iPod Touch or modern smartphone has more power than your computer, you can't really call what you have a "computer" in the modern sense of the word.
Hell I bought a new iPhone 3GS today for $100 -- at that price point it's a disposable item.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930719</id>
	<title>Have you considered BSD?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a roughly similar system (486 "laptop", 32MB RAM, no CD, floppy only) that runs OpenBSD relatively well. As long as you don't install KDE or GNOME, it should be fine for light-duty work. It isn't a drop-in replacement for Linux, but it's extremely easy to switch back and forth, especially with the heavy documentation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a roughly similar system ( 486 " laptop " , 32MB RAM , no CD , floppy only ) that runs OpenBSD relatively well .
As long as you do n't install KDE or GNOME , it should be fine for light-duty work .
It is n't a drop-in replacement for Linux , but it 's extremely easy to switch back and forth , especially with the heavy documentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a roughly similar system (486 "laptop", 32MB RAM, no CD, floppy only) that runs OpenBSD relatively well.
As long as you don't install KDE or GNOME, it should be fine for light-duty work.
It isn't a drop-in replacement for Linux, but it's extremely easy to switch back and forth, especially with the heavy documentation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934565</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>id go for puppy linux</p><p>http://www.puppylinux.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>id go for puppy linuxhttp : //www.puppylinux.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>id go for puppy linuxhttp://www.puppylinux.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930943</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1256910540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be fun to run a website devoted to "everything 486" on a real 486. Course, I wouldn't trust an ancient hard drive to store any meaningful data so storage could be over a network mount.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be fun to run a website devoted to " everything 486 " on a real 486 .
Course , I would n't trust an ancient hard drive to store any meaningful data so storage could be over a network mount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be fun to run a website devoted to "everything 486" on a real 486.
Course, I wouldn't trust an ancient hard drive to store any meaningful data so storage could be over a network mount.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936355</id>
	<title>lenny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>latest Debian (Lenny) works flawlessly on my 233MHz pentium (mmx) with 0Kb cache... this machine got already two slots for sdram so i put over 300Mb in it. as i see it, your main problem will be having too less memory. you still could try an install, because the Debian installer has a low memory mode, but that's no fun, right? so if i were you and had no additional ram left but a floppy drive, i would buy a couple of floppies and read through this howto: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/index.html and make myself a bootable floppy for this thing. if you succeed, you will be able to see if it's still working. besides that, you'll learn to cope with a small harddisk (700Mb) later on.</p><p>have fun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>latest Debian ( Lenny ) works flawlessly on my 233MHz pentium ( mmx ) with 0Kb cache... this machine got already two slots for sdram so i put over 300Mb in it .
as i see it , your main problem will be having too less memory .
you still could try an install , because the Debian installer has a low memory mode , but that 's no fun , right ?
so if i were you and had no additional ram left but a floppy drive , i would buy a couple of floppies and read through this howto : http : //tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/index.html and make myself a bootable floppy for this thing .
if you succeed , you will be able to see if it 's still working .
besides that , you 'll learn to cope with a small harddisk ( 700Mb ) later on.have fun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>latest Debian (Lenny) works flawlessly on my 233MHz pentium (mmx) with 0Kb cache... this machine got already two slots for sdram so i put over 300Mb in it.
as i see it, your main problem will be having too less memory.
you still could try an install, because the Debian installer has a low memory mode, but that's no fun, right?
so if i were you and had no additional ram left but a floppy drive, i would buy a couple of floppies and read through this howto: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/index.html and make myself a bootable floppy for this thing.
if you succeed, you will be able to see if it's still working.
besides that, you'll learn to cope with a small harddisk (700Mb) later on.have fun</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931279</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Small Linux</title>
	<author>siddesu</author>
	<datestamp>1256913900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having tried both DSL and puppy linux (http://www.puppylinux.org/) on similar hardware, I say both are quite usable. I personally prefer puppy (so much so, that I even have a full-blown development setup in a virtual box), probably because it works very nicely off RAM and flash (and I use it on hardware with no harddisks, just flash and ram), but that may just be because I didn't stick long enough with DSL to read all the docs. Puppy somehow did what I want from the first boot.</p><p>Give both a try and pick one.</p><p>I run puppy on the oldest vaio picture book (from flash on IDE adapter) and an even older 486 DX/66 w 32 megs of ram, 100MB disk and a flash rom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having tried both DSL and puppy linux ( http : //www.puppylinux.org/ ) on similar hardware , I say both are quite usable .
I personally prefer puppy ( so much so , that I even have a full-blown development setup in a virtual box ) , probably because it works very nicely off RAM and flash ( and I use it on hardware with no harddisks , just flash and ram ) , but that may just be because I did n't stick long enough with DSL to read all the docs .
Puppy somehow did what I want from the first boot.Give both a try and pick one.I run puppy on the oldest vaio picture book ( from flash on IDE adapter ) and an even older 486 DX/66 w 32 megs of ram , 100MB disk and a flash rom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having tried both DSL and puppy linux (http://www.puppylinux.org/) on similar hardware, I say both are quite usable.
I personally prefer puppy (so much so, that I even have a full-blown development setup in a virtual box), probably because it works very nicely off RAM and flash (and I use it on hardware with no harddisks, just flash and ram), but that may just be because I didn't stick long enough with DSL to read all the docs.
Puppy somehow did what I want from the first boot.Give both a try and pick one.I run puppy on the oldest vaio picture book (from flash on IDE adapter) and an even older 486 DX/66 w 32 megs of ram, 100MB disk and a flash rom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29949324</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>RogerWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1257170760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I used to run SuSE 7.2 on a 486DX33 with 48MB RAM and a 420 MB harddisk, create the two boot floppies, and do everything else over FTP install from a machine that it can access. I first ran 6.1 on it, when it only had 8 MB RAM. (IIRC).</p><p>Worked like a charm until a year ago, when I replaced it with a PII-350.</p><p>My guess is that even SuSE 8 or 9 would probably install and run fine if you have at least 64 MB RAM. Version 7.x will install with 16 MB RAM, version 6.x with 4 or 8 MB. The FTP install has lower requirements than the HTTP install. Put the CD/DVD in a system that can serve as FTP server and after using the two boot floppies (one for the kernel and one for the modules), it should do fine, if it can get the network card to work even on machines with 16MB RAM or less.</p><p>I can recommend SuSE, as it has extensive documentation on how to get the old hardware working that comes with those distributions, and it will run YaST in the ncurses interface, giving you a powerful setup tool even on very modest systems.</p><p>I have also ran SuSE 7.x on embedded PC104 486DX4-100/16MB RAM/4MB ROM systems without X11.</p><p>The 28 MB that the OP says is in the system will be the biggest bottleneck, but any distro from the turn of the century should do, your choices in X11 will be limited  mainly due to the RAM. I'd still recommend going with SuSE though.</p><p>I've been googling a bit to see if there are still ant live repositories of those old distro's, but they seem to be hard to find. I still have the disks, for 6.1, 6.1, 7.2. 8.1. 9.3 and 10.2, but I suppose that's not going to help you. It seems they are no longer available on ftp.suse.com<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(<br>It seems harder to find that I would have suspected, I wish you good luck, maybe you'll need to see if someone still has some disks from a few years back.</p><p>P.S. I did find this, it goes back to SuSE 7.3: <a href="ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/7.3" title="ftp5.gwdg.de">ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/7.3</a> [ftp5.gwdg.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I used to run SuSE 7.2 on a 486DX33 with 48MB RAM and a 420 MB harddisk , create the two boot floppies , and do everything else over FTP install from a machine that it can access .
I first ran 6.1 on it , when it only had 8 MB RAM .
( IIRC ) .Worked like a charm until a year ago , when I replaced it with a PII-350.My guess is that even SuSE 8 or 9 would probably install and run fine if you have at least 64 MB RAM .
Version 7.x will install with 16 MB RAM , version 6.x with 4 or 8 MB .
The FTP install has lower requirements than the HTTP install .
Put the CD/DVD in a system that can serve as FTP server and after using the two boot floppies ( one for the kernel and one for the modules ) , it should do fine , if it can get the network card to work even on machines with 16MB RAM or less.I can recommend SuSE , as it has extensive documentation on how to get the old hardware working that comes with those distributions , and it will run YaST in the ncurses interface , giving you a powerful setup tool even on very modest systems.I have also ran SuSE 7.x on embedded PC104 486DX4-100/16MB RAM/4MB ROM systems without X11.The 28 MB that the OP says is in the system will be the biggest bottleneck , but any distro from the turn of the century should do , your choices in X11 will be limited mainly due to the RAM .
I 'd still recommend going with SuSE though.I 've been googling a bit to see if there are still ant live repositories of those old distro 's , but they seem to be hard to find .
I still have the disks , for 6.1 , 6.1 , 7.2 .
8.1. 9.3 and 10.2 , but I suppose that 's not going to help you .
It seems they are no longer available on ftp.suse.com : - ( It seems harder to find that I would have suspected , I wish you good luck , maybe you 'll need to see if someone still has some disks from a few years back.P.S .
I did find this , it goes back to SuSE 7.3 : ftp : //ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/7.3 [ ftp5.gwdg.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I used to run SuSE 7.2 on a 486DX33 with 48MB RAM and a 420 MB harddisk, create the two boot floppies, and do everything else over FTP install from a machine that it can access.
I first ran 6.1 on it, when it only had 8 MB RAM.
(IIRC).Worked like a charm until a year ago, when I replaced it with a PII-350.My guess is that even SuSE 8 or 9 would probably install and run fine if you have at least 64 MB RAM.
Version 7.x will install with 16 MB RAM, version 6.x with 4 or 8 MB.
The FTP install has lower requirements than the HTTP install.
Put the CD/DVD in a system that can serve as FTP server and after using the two boot floppies (one for the kernel and one for the modules), it should do fine, if it can get the network card to work even on machines with 16MB RAM or less.I can recommend SuSE, as it has extensive documentation on how to get the old hardware working that comes with those distributions, and it will run YaST in the ncurses interface, giving you a powerful setup tool even on very modest systems.I have also ran SuSE 7.x on embedded PC104 486DX4-100/16MB RAM/4MB ROM systems without X11.The 28 MB that the OP says is in the system will be the biggest bottleneck, but any distro from the turn of the century should do, your choices in X11 will be limited  mainly due to the RAM.
I'd still recommend going with SuSE though.I've been googling a bit to see if there are still ant live repositories of those old distro's, but they seem to be hard to find.
I still have the disks, for 6.1, 6.1, 7.2.
8.1. 9.3 and 10.2, but I suppose that's not going to help you.
It seems they are no longer available on ftp.suse.com :-(It seems harder to find that I would have suspected, I wish you good luck, maybe you'll need to see if someone still has some disks from a few years back.P.S.
I did find this, it goes back to SuSE 7.3: ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/7.3 [ftp5.gwdg.de]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929991</id>
	<title>Re: A rare item.</title>
	<author>zoloto</author>
	<datestamp>1256904600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those images can be found &lt;URL:http://qnx.projektas.lt/qnxdemo/qnx\_demo\_disk.htm/&gt; . On &lt;URL:http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/&gt;, you can find information about it as well but if you look for quick and easy i suggest this. Googling for QNX Demo Floppy Images yields a ton of information...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those images can be found .
On , you can find information about it as well but if you look for quick and easy i suggest this .
Googling for QNX Demo Floppy Images yields a ton of information.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those images can be found  .
On , you can find information about it as well but if you look for quick and easy i suggest this.
Googling for QNX Demo Floppy Images yields a ton of information...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937995</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1256994420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, $100 is roughly the cost of the needed service plan for one month.  The cost of the phone really isn't that much compared to the service needed to use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , $ 100 is roughly the cost of the needed service plan for one month .
The cost of the phone really is n't that much compared to the service needed to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, $100 is roughly the cost of the needed service plan for one month.
The cost of the phone really isn't that much compared to the service needed to use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29940391</id>
	<title>Slackware is gr8</title>
	<author>Mage Powers</author>
	<datestamp>1257071100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a 486 laptop with 16mb of ram and a black and white LCD, I had good results with using pieces of slackware 10.1. If you want to save a lot of space, use strace and ldd to figure out exactly what files you need.</p><p>Compile a custom kernel with everything you actually have built in except for cardbus/pcmcia modules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a 486 laptop with 16mb of ram and a black and white LCD , I had good results with using pieces of slackware 10.1 .
If you want to save a lot of space , use strace and ldd to figure out exactly what files you need.Compile a custom kernel with everything you actually have built in except for cardbus/pcmcia modules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a 486 laptop with 16mb of ram and a black and white LCD, I had good results with using pieces of slackware 10.1.
If you want to save a lot of space, use strace and ldd to figure out exactly what files you need.Compile a custom kernel with everything you actually have built in except for cardbus/pcmcia modules.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937227</id>
	<title>Ah...the good ol'days!</title>
	<author>YankDownUnder</author>
	<datestamp>1256985360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/" title="utah.edu" rel="nofollow">http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/</a> [utah.edu]

I just found this, and lo and behold!
I used to dig my OLVWM desktop - and it ran like the dickens - just a matter of mucking about here and there but it worked wonders!
Ran Slack 3.2 through to 3.6 on a 486 machine for quite some time JUST CUZ -  and I don't like to throw out hardware if it's working!

This has got me into the groove of setting up a VM with Slack again...nice thing to do for a Sunday!</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/ [ utah.edu ] I just found this , and lo and behold !
I used to dig my OLVWM desktop - and it ran like the dickens - just a matter of mucking about here and there but it worked wonders !
Ran Slack 3.2 through to 3.6 on a 486 machine for quite some time JUST CUZ - and I do n't like to throw out hardware if it 's working !
This has got me into the groove of setting up a VM with Slack again...nice thing to do for a Sunday !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/ [utah.edu]

I just found this, and lo and behold!
I used to dig my OLVWM desktop - and it ran like the dickens - just a matter of mucking about here and there but it worked wonders!
Ran Slack 3.2 through to 3.6 on a 486 machine for quite some time JUST CUZ -  and I don't like to throw out hardware if it's working!
This has got me into the groove of setting up a VM with Slack again...nice thing to do for a Sunday!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932999</id>
	<title>Basic Linux is the answer</title>
	<author>stasike</author>
	<datestamp>1256983800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/" title="volny.cz" rel="nofollow">http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/</a> [volny.cz]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.volny.cz/basiclinux/ [ volny.cz ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/ [volny.cz]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931717</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Nope.  I mean in one sense it's "too bad", but in fact all these developments DO add up.  I've been using Linux since early slackware (with a 1.0.9 kernel), I could run X, an xterm, and xeyes in an 8MB system (and whatever I wanted in the xterm).  even ncsa mosaic (let alone netscape 0.9) needed more RAM than this.  I could run that alone on a 32MB system.  X needed 4-8MB just to get going even back in the 80s from what I've read.   As I went to a fuller desktop, fuller featured apps, and fuller featured browser (plus, plug'n'play, internationaliztion support, etc. etc.) my desktop grew to 128MB in just a few years.  Since then, my box has a lot more ram since i use a lot of tabs, play videos, mythtv, etc. etc (on 512MB-1GB systems). but a bare ubuntu desktop does run in 192MB and is easy to strip to 128MB.  Strippping the distro further, you can still get to 64 or even 32MB or less but you end up with the bare essentials just like the oldest distros (and Damn Small Linux) anyway.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Secondly, there IS vibrant development for lower-RAM systems, you just are looking in the wrong place.  Maemo, Android, etc., there are environments targetting small systems, just not desktops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
I mean in one sense it 's " too bad " , but in fact all these developments DO add up .
I 've been using Linux since early slackware ( with a 1.0.9 kernel ) , I could run X , an xterm , and xeyes in an 8MB system ( and whatever I wanted in the xterm ) .
even ncsa mosaic ( let alone netscape 0.9 ) needed more RAM than this .
I could run that alone on a 32MB system .
X needed 4-8MB just to get going even back in the 80s from what I 've read .
As I went to a fuller desktop , fuller featured apps , and fuller featured browser ( plus , plug'n'play , internationaliztion support , etc .
etc. ) my desktop grew to 128MB in just a few years .
Since then , my box has a lot more ram since i use a lot of tabs , play videos , mythtv , etc .
etc ( on 512MB-1GB systems ) .
but a bare ubuntu desktop does run in 192MB and is easy to strip to 128MB .
Strippping the distro further , you can still get to 64 or even 32MB or less but you end up with the bare essentials just like the oldest distros ( and Damn Small Linux ) anyway .
          Secondly , there IS vibrant development for lower-RAM systems , you just are looking in the wrong place .
Maemo , Android , etc. , there are environments targetting small systems , just not desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Nope.
I mean in one sense it's "too bad", but in fact all these developments DO add up.
I've been using Linux since early slackware (with a 1.0.9 kernel), I could run X, an xterm, and xeyes in an 8MB system (and whatever I wanted in the xterm).
even ncsa mosaic (let alone netscape 0.9) needed more RAM than this.
I could run that alone on a 32MB system.
X needed 4-8MB just to get going even back in the 80s from what I've read.
As I went to a fuller desktop, fuller featured apps, and fuller featured browser (plus, plug'n'play, internationaliztion support, etc.
etc.) my desktop grew to 128MB in just a few years.
Since then, my box has a lot more ram since i use a lot of tabs, play videos, mythtv, etc.
etc (on 512MB-1GB systems).
but a bare ubuntu desktop does run in 192MB and is easy to strip to 128MB.
Strippping the distro further, you can still get to 64 or even 32MB or less but you end up with the bare essentials just like the oldest distros (and Damn Small Linux) anyway.
          Secondly, there IS vibrant development for lower-RAM systems, you just are looking in the wrong place.
Maemo, Android, etc., there are environments targetting small systems, just not desktops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933999</id>
	<title>tiny linux, 8 mb ram</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1256999520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is designed for the old hardware.</p><p><a href="http://tiny.seul.org/en/" title="seul.org">http://tiny.seul.org/en/</a> [seul.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is designed for the old hardware.http : //tiny.seul.org/en/ [ seul.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is designed for the old hardware.http://tiny.seul.org/en/ [seul.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929631</id>
	<title>Not technically Linux but...</title>
	<author>eronysis</author>
	<datestamp>1256902080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an ancient Toshiba satellite running a pretty current version of desktop-BSD. Full graphical desktop extremely small footprint etc...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an ancient Toshiba satellite running a pretty current version of desktop-BSD .
Full graphical desktop extremely small footprint etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an ancient Toshiba satellite running a pretty current version of desktop-BSD.
Full graphical desktop extremely small footprint etc...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929577</id>
	<title>muLinux</title>
	<author>BOI (born on the isl</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used this quite a bit in the old days.

<a href="http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/" title="micheleandreoli.it" rel="nofollow">http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/</a> [micheleandreoli.it]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used this quite a bit in the old days .
http : //www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/ [ micheleandreoli.it ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used this quite a bit in the old days.
http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/ [micheleandreoli.it]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930339</id>
	<title>Really man...</title>
	<author>cephus440</author>
	<datestamp>1256906460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>my cell phone is more powerful.  Buy a $150 closeout computer and install linux.  You'll make your money back with the lower wattage power supply and you'll be less frustrated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>my cell phone is more powerful .
Buy a $ 150 closeout computer and install linux .
You 'll make your money back with the lower wattage power supply and you 'll be less frustrated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my cell phone is more powerful.
Buy a $150 closeout computer and install linux.
You'll make your money back with the lower wattage power supply and you'll be less frustrated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29940913</id>
	<title>Maybe you should get laid instead!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257081900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you should get laid instead!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you should get laid instead !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you should get laid instead!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29940561</id>
	<title>Why linux?</title>
	<author>schizz69</author>
	<datestamp>1257074640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>windows 3.1 FTW!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>windows 3.1 FTW ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>windows 3.1 FTW!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930815</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>wintersdark</author>
	<datestamp>1256909580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Depends on how much you value your time. My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC. If you're just tinkering that's one thing, but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any "real" use.</p></div><p>And it depends how much you enjoy monkeying with that old PC.  If you have fun getting your lil web server or what have you up and running, then it's time well spent.  If you don't enjoy doing it... then yeah, you're absolutely right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on how much you value your time .
My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC .
If you 're just tinkering that 's one thing , but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any " real " use.And it depends how much you enjoy monkeying with that old PC .
If you have fun getting your lil web server or what have you up and running , then it 's time well spent .
If you do n't enjoy doing it... then yeah , you 're absolutely right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on how much you value your time.
My time is worth more to me than trying to fiddle with an underpowered secondhand PC.
If you're just tinkering that's one thing, but vintage hardware is going to disappoint for any "real" use.And it depends how much you enjoy monkeying with that old PC.
If you have fun getting your lil web server or what have you up and running, then it's time well spent.
If you don't enjoy doing it... then yeah, you're absolutely right.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931795</id>
	<title>Only if your time is worth less than zero $$$</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1256919240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Where'd you get that clunker - out of someone's garbage?  That's the sort of machine you give someone you don't like, as a "favour."
</p><p>
No network card (at least from the specs you posted), no usb, 640x480, les than 1 gig hd, just a floppy drive - what are you going to do with that?
</p><p>
Best to find a copy of D0S 6x (or if you can find the Window95 floppy set, DOS7).  Even Windows95 is too much for that.  At least you'll be able to (sort of) play doom on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 'd you get that clunker - out of someone 's garbage ?
That 's the sort of machine you give someone you do n't like , as a " favour .
" No network card ( at least from the specs you posted ) , no usb , 640x480 , les than 1 gig hd , just a floppy drive - what are you going to do with that ?
Best to find a copy of D0S 6x ( or if you can find the Window95 floppy set , DOS7 ) .
Even Windows95 is too much for that .
At least you 'll be able to ( sort of ) play doom on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Where'd you get that clunker - out of someone's garbage?
That's the sort of machine you give someone you don't like, as a "favour.
"

No network card (at least from the specs you posted), no usb, 640x480, les than 1 gig hd, just a floppy drive - what are you going to do with that?
Best to find a copy of D0S 6x (or if you can find the Window95 floppy set, DOS7).
Even Windows95 is too much for that.
At least you'll be able to (sort of) play doom on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930257</id>
	<title>Red Hat 4.x?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I remember correctly, RedHat 4.2 did run on that hardware. Albeit, with a very "loose" definition of running. The hardware I tested:</p><p>CPU: 486 @ 33MHz<br>RAM: 16 MB</p><p>Again, IIRC, the boot time was over ten minutes. Even when I ran this test it was for an "academic" exercise only. The Pentium class CPUs and motherboards ran circles around their predecessor, i486. The typical Pentium class motherboard had at least 32MB, and more than double the performance. RH 4.2 would boot in about 2 minutes on a Pentium (vs. over 10 for a i486).</p><p>So, in the end, if you get RedHat 4.2. running, then you'll get "props" and "respect" but not much else. It's only good for an academic exercise. The hard fact is that a modern Linux really requires 128M RAM. Specialty distros like DSL may let you get by with somewhat less, but you won't be running Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, or Slackware 13.0. So what, time marches on, and (so far) Moore's Law keeps giving gifts: (cheaper, faster, and more power efficient hardware.)</p><p>To quote <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deteriorata" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">National Lampoon,</a> [wikipedia.org] "Give up."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I remember correctly , RedHat 4.2 did run on that hardware .
Albeit , with a very " loose " definition of running .
The hardware I tested : CPU : 486 @ 33MHzRAM : 16 MBAgain , IIRC , the boot time was over ten minutes .
Even when I ran this test it was for an " academic " exercise only .
The Pentium class CPUs and motherboards ran circles around their predecessor , i486 .
The typical Pentium class motherboard had at least 32MB , and more than double the performance .
RH 4.2 would boot in about 2 minutes on a Pentium ( vs. over 10 for a i486 ) .So , in the end , if you get RedHat 4.2. running , then you 'll get " props " and " respect " but not much else .
It 's only good for an academic exercise .
The hard fact is that a modern Linux really requires 128M RAM .
Specialty distros like DSL may let you get by with somewhat less , but you wo n't be running Ubuntu 9.10 , Fedora 12 , or Slackware 13.0 .
So what , time marches on , and ( so far ) Moore 's Law keeps giving gifts : ( cheaper , faster , and more power efficient hardware .
) To quote National Lampoon , [ wikipedia.org ] " Give up .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I remember correctly, RedHat 4.2 did run on that hardware.
Albeit, with a very "loose" definition of running.
The hardware I tested:CPU: 486 @ 33MHzRAM: 16 MBAgain, IIRC, the boot time was over ten minutes.
Even when I ran this test it was for an "academic" exercise only.
The Pentium class CPUs and motherboards ran circles around their predecessor, i486.
The typical Pentium class motherboard had at least 32MB, and more than double the performance.
RH 4.2 would boot in about 2 minutes on a Pentium (vs. over 10 for a i486).So, in the end, if you get RedHat 4.2. running, then you'll get "props" and "respect" but not much else.
It's only good for an academic exercise.
The hard fact is that a modern Linux really requires 128M RAM.
Specialty distros like DSL may let you get by with somewhat less, but you won't be running Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, or Slackware 13.0.
So what, time marches on, and (so far) Moore's Law keeps giving gifts: (cheaper, faster, and more power efficient hardware.
)To quote National Lampoon, [wikipedia.org] "Give up.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935313</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>here is a link to debian 2.0 floppies.  scroll down under and they are under "distributions".  each link is a floppy image. I had this running on an IBM laptop with pentium 133 and 64MB of ram. xwindows and everything a few years back.  A lot of people a chiming in about security issues with these old distros, but if its just for fun and behind a firewall you should be fine.  wouldn't put it on the internet with a routable IP.</p><p>http://chaddsfordpc.com/linux.php      ps: click my google adds while your there</p><p>you can also find the old redhat installs if you look hard on their website, but debian is much better.  or should I say that apt-get beats RPM hell.</p><p>GO PHILLIES</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>here is a link to debian 2.0 floppies .
scroll down under and they are under " distributions " .
each link is a floppy image .
I had this running on an IBM laptop with pentium 133 and 64MB of ram .
xwindows and everything a few years back .
A lot of people a chiming in about security issues with these old distros , but if its just for fun and behind a firewall you should be fine .
would n't put it on the internet with a routable IP.http : //chaddsfordpc.com/linux.php ps : click my google adds while your thereyou can also find the old redhat installs if you look hard on their website , but debian is much better .
or should I say that apt-get beats RPM hell.GO PHILLIES</tokentext>
<sentencetext>here is a link to debian 2.0 floppies.
scroll down under and they are under "distributions".
each link is a floppy image.
I had this running on an IBM laptop with pentium 133 and 64MB of ram.
xwindows and everything a few years back.
A lot of people a chiming in about security issues with these old distros, but if its just for fun and behind a firewall you should be fine.
wouldn't put it on the internet with a routable IP.http://chaddsfordpc.com/linux.php      ps: click my google adds while your thereyou can also find the old redhat installs if you look hard on their website, but debian is much better.
or should I say that apt-get beats RPM hell.GO PHILLIES</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929863</id>
	<title>Old Linux</title>
	<author>bpechter</author>
	<datestamp>1256903700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use only old Linux.</p><p>Corel 1.2 is quite nice on my Pentium 166 with 60Mb.<br>RH6.2, Slackware, older Debian.  I ran FreeBSD 3.x on a Thinkpad 365 with 486 and 28 mhz.  I usuallly rebuild the OpenSSL and OpenSSH from source to avoid major security holes for when I need to ssh to a work site.</p><p>I'm amazed how much more power even these $250 Netbooks have.</p><p>Bill</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use only old Linux.Corel 1.2 is quite nice on my Pentium 166 with 60Mb.RH6.2 , Slackware , older Debian .
I ran FreeBSD 3.x on a Thinkpad 365 with 486 and 28 mhz .
I usuallly rebuild the OpenSSL and OpenSSH from source to avoid major security holes for when I need to ssh to a work site.I 'm amazed how much more power even these $ 250 Netbooks have.Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use only old Linux.Corel 1.2 is quite nice on my Pentium 166 with 60Mb.RH6.2, Slackware, older Debian.
I ran FreeBSD 3.x on a Thinkpad 365 with 486 and 28 mhz.
I usuallly rebuild the OpenSSL and OpenSSH from source to avoid major security holes for when I need to ssh to a work site.I'm amazed how much more power even these $250 Netbooks have.Bill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931307</id>
	<title>Slitaz gets my vote.</title>
	<author>JDeane</author>
	<datestamp>1256914320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this may be what you are looking for...</p><p>You can install it from a floppy and it will run in 24MB's of RAM.</p><p>Pretty modern and lite.</p><p><a href="http://forum.slitaz.org/index.php/discussion/38/floppy-install-how-to" title="slitaz.org" rel="nofollow">http://forum.slitaz.org/index.php/discussion/38/floppy-install-how-to</a> [slitaz.org]</p><p>Slitaz Linux is my favorite these days for older hardware and the requirements are modest to say the least.</p><p>This will not apply to your situation but I installed it on a machine with 256MB's and I can run Opera use youtube and do all kinds of things on this machine, Ubuntu would run but it ran like molasses on a cold day....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this may be what you are looking for...You can install it from a floppy and it will run in 24MB 's of RAM.Pretty modern and lite.http : //forum.slitaz.org/index.php/discussion/38/floppy-install-how-to [ slitaz.org ] Slitaz Linux is my favorite these days for older hardware and the requirements are modest to say the least.This will not apply to your situation but I installed it on a machine with 256MB 's and I can run Opera use youtube and do all kinds of things on this machine , Ubuntu would run but it ran like molasses on a cold day... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this may be what you are looking for...You can install it from a floppy and it will run in 24MB's of RAM.Pretty modern and lite.http://forum.slitaz.org/index.php/discussion/38/floppy-install-how-to [slitaz.org]Slitaz Linux is my favorite these days for older hardware and the requirements are modest to say the least.This will not apply to your situation but I installed it on a machine with 256MB's and I can run Opera use youtube and do all kinds of things on this machine, Ubuntu would run but it ran like molasses on a cold day....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930143</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pfft.  Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware, like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp?  *whistles in the dark*</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pfft .
Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware , like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp ?
* whistles in the dark *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pfft.
Why do that when he can run something more secure and network-aware, like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp?
*whistles in the dark*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929821</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936711</id>
	<title>buildroot or an old distro</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1256980380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Grab a distro from the same era and install it. Plenty of old Slackware ISOs online for you to use.<br>If you insist on having recent software, then treat it as an embedded system. buildroot will compile the kernel, busybox and uclibc into a simple system that you can extend. And it is capable of outputting an ext2 image as its results (very handy!). Then cross compile Xorg/kdrive and other goodies on there (linked to uclibc)</p><p>In my opinion if it takes more than 4 hours to get some old computer hardware working, it would be cheaper to just throw it away. I promise you, getting your 486 DX/4 laptop working is going to take you more than 4 hours. It's from an era when laptop vendors were building very proprietary systems.</p><p>If you were trying to get an old Tadpole SPARC notebook to work, at least you would be trying to get something rare and interesting to work. An old 486 is neither rare nor interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grab a distro from the same era and install it .
Plenty of old Slackware ISOs online for you to use.If you insist on having recent software , then treat it as an embedded system .
buildroot will compile the kernel , busybox and uclibc into a simple system that you can extend .
And it is capable of outputting an ext2 image as its results ( very handy ! ) .
Then cross compile Xorg/kdrive and other goodies on there ( linked to uclibc ) In my opinion if it takes more than 4 hours to get some old computer hardware working , it would be cheaper to just throw it away .
I promise you , getting your 486 DX/4 laptop working is going to take you more than 4 hours .
It 's from an era when laptop vendors were building very proprietary systems.If you were trying to get an old Tadpole SPARC notebook to work , at least you would be trying to get something rare and interesting to work .
An old 486 is neither rare nor interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grab a distro from the same era and install it.
Plenty of old Slackware ISOs online for you to use.If you insist on having recent software, then treat it as an embedded system.
buildroot will compile the kernel, busybox and uclibc into a simple system that you can extend.
And it is capable of outputting an ext2 image as its results (very handy!).
Then cross compile Xorg/kdrive and other goodies on there (linked to uclibc)In my opinion if it takes more than 4 hours to get some old computer hardware working, it would be cheaper to just throw it away.
I promise you, getting your 486 DX/4 laptop working is going to take you more than 4 hours.
It's from an era when laptop vendors were building very proprietary systems.If you were trying to get an old Tadpole SPARC notebook to work, at least you would be trying to get something rare and interesting to work.
An old 486 is neither rare nor interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929873</id>
	<title>How About FreeBSD?</title>
	<author>Demetrius Berman</author>
	<datestamp>1256903760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can still download floppies for a FreeBSD Net Install. Assuming your network card works with the drivers on the boot floppies you should be able to do a base system net installation of FreeBSD and then build whatever else you need from the ports tree afterward (or install the binaries from the packages collection. Should make for a small, clean installation with only what you need and nothing else to take disk space or consume your limited resources.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can still download floppies for a FreeBSD Net Install .
Assuming your network card works with the drivers on the boot floppies you should be able to do a base system net installation of FreeBSD and then build whatever else you need from the ports tree afterward ( or install the binaries from the packages collection .
Should make for a small , clean installation with only what you need and nothing else to take disk space or consume your limited resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can still download floppies for a FreeBSD Net Install.
Assuming your network card works with the drivers on the boot floppies you should be able to do a base system net installation of FreeBSD and then build whatever else you need from the ports tree afterward (or install the binaries from the packages collection.
Should make for a small, clean installation with only what you need and nothing else to take disk space or consume your limited resources.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929977</id>
	<title>faq</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we seriously need a slashdot faq</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we seriously need a slashdot faq</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we seriously need a slashdot faq</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931077</id>
	<title>FreeDOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256911560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.freedos.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.freedos.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.freedos.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932763</id>
	<title>Re:My $.02</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(the 486 only had ISA)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... actually I was using FreeBSD 4.x as a firewall on the 486 (2 ISA NICs) which could easily keep up with the bandwidth of my DSL (5 years ago)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...    I already had the os set-up so I had nothing to loose seeing if it would handle the MP3 playing so it could be used with the stereo.</p><p>The 486 didn't have a CD-ROM drive, but I think the method of installation back then was boot from a floppy -- and install via an FTP server (requires a network card).</p><p>I manged to succeed in getting recognizable music out of the audio out on the sound card, but only after fiddling with the sample rate and downmixing it to mono<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...    It was recognizable music, but it was pretty low-fi.</p><p>The only reason I would even attempt to do something like this would be for the fun of it.     People are practically throwing away PIII laptops with 128mb+ ram and 5-10gig hard disks would definitely make a better web browser type box (plus it'll have USB / CD-ROM and will run Xubuntu easily) .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( the 486 only had ISA ) ... actually I was using FreeBSD 4.x as a firewall on the 486 ( 2 ISA NICs ) which could easily keep up with the bandwidth of my DSL ( 5 years ago ) ... I already had the os set-up so I had nothing to loose seeing if it would handle the MP3 playing so it could be used with the stereo.The 486 did n't have a CD-ROM drive , but I think the method of installation back then was boot from a floppy -- and install via an FTP server ( requires a network card ) .I manged to succeed in getting recognizable music out of the audio out on the sound card , but only after fiddling with the sample rate and downmixing it to mono ... It was recognizable music , but it was pretty low-fi.The only reason I would even attempt to do something like this would be for the fun of it .
People are practically throwing away PIII laptops with 128mb + ram and 5-10gig hard disks would definitely make a better web browser type box ( plus it 'll have USB / CD-ROM and will run Xubuntu easily ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(the 486 only had ISA) ... actually I was using FreeBSD 4.x as a firewall on the 486 (2 ISA NICs) which could easily keep up with the bandwidth of my DSL (5 years ago) ...    I already had the os set-up so I had nothing to loose seeing if it would handle the MP3 playing so it could be used with the stereo.The 486 didn't have a CD-ROM drive, but I think the method of installation back then was boot from a floppy -- and install via an FTP server (requires a network card).I manged to succeed in getting recognizable music out of the audio out on the sound card, but only after fiddling with the sample rate and downmixing it to mono ...    It was recognizable music, but it was pretty low-fi.The only reason I would even attempt to do something like this would be for the fun of it.
People are practically throwing away PIII laptops with 128mb+ ram and 5-10gig hard disks would definitely make a better web browser type box (plus it'll have USB / CD-ROM and will run Xubuntu easily) .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931061</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29938077</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1256995320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because people here are geeks, and like to mess around and tinker with stuff because we can, and take pleasure in making old/slow/obsolete hardware do things it wasn't meant to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because people here are geeks , and like to mess around and tinker with stuff because we can , and take pleasure in making old/slow/obsolete hardware do things it was n't meant to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because people here are geeks, and like to mess around and tinker with stuff because we can, and take pleasure in making old/slow/obsolete hardware do things it wasn't meant to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929581</id>
	<title>puppy linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Might be good to check out http://www.puppylinux.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Might be good to check out http : //www.puppylinux.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Might be good to check out http://www.puppylinux.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930935</id>
	<title>Recycling Bin</title>
	<author>grimw</author>
	<datestamp>1256910420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take it to your local recycling bin and just forget about this piece of garbage.  Really, buy something better and more power efficient.  I recommend a <a href="http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp" title="marvell.com" rel="nofollow">Sheevaplug</a> [marvell.com] if you want to keep price low, power consumption low, and get a lot better system in general.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take it to your local recycling bin and just forget about this piece of garbage .
Really , buy something better and more power efficient .
I recommend a Sheevaplug [ marvell.com ] if you want to keep price low , power consumption low , and get a lot better system in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take it to your local recycling bin and just forget about this piece of garbage.
Really, buy something better and more power efficient.
I recommend a Sheevaplug [marvell.com] if you want to keep price low, power consumption low, and get a lot better system in general.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929791</id>
	<title>MS-DOS and LoopyNES</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Throw MS-DOS and LoopyNES on it.  Get some decent NES gaming running on that thing.<br>No$GMB also works at that kind of slow speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Throw MS-DOS and LoopyNES on it .
Get some decent NES gaming running on that thing.No $ GMB also works at that kind of slow speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Throw MS-DOS and LoopyNES on it.
Get some decent NES gaming running on that thing.No$GMB also works at that kind of slow speed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931247</id>
	<title>3rd world countries</title>
	<author>rodrigovr</author>
	<datestamp>1256913660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe the guy lives on a poor country or has very low funds. If this machine is the better he can get for some job, let's help him.<br>
My sugestion is openbsd with a custom kernel, because the generic will eat so much memory. I run a firewall with 1GiB RAM and everytime I check ram usage it is bellow 20M.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the guy lives on a poor country or has very low funds .
If this machine is the better he can get for some job , let 's help him .
My sugestion is openbsd with a custom kernel , because the generic will eat so much memory .
I run a firewall with 1GiB RAM and everytime I check ram usage it is bellow 20M .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the guy lives on a poor country or has very low funds.
If this machine is the better he can get for some job, let's help him.
My sugestion is openbsd with a custom kernel, because the generic will eat so much memory.
I run a firewall with 1GiB RAM and everytime I check ram usage it is bellow 20M.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929815</id>
	<title>slackware</title>
	<author>pinkishpunk</author>
	<datestamp>1256903280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would go with an older slackware and then upgrade to the newest once you have the net running,the whole problem in your case is the lack of pcmcia support in gPXE,
if you have access to a docking station with a isa,pci bus you might beable to use gPXE and start directly into a new distribution.
Alternativ is just remove the harddrive from the box and installed it on another box and then move it back, works too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would go with an older slackware and then upgrade to the newest once you have the net running,the whole problem in your case is the lack of pcmcia support in gPXE , if you have access to a docking station with a isa,pci bus you might beable to use gPXE and start directly into a new distribution .
Alternativ is just remove the harddrive from the box and installed it on another box and then move it back , works too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would go with an older slackware and then upgrade to the newest once you have the net running,the whole problem in your case is the lack of pcmcia support in gPXE,
if you have access to a docking station with a isa,pci bus you might beable to use gPXE and start directly into a new distribution.
Alternativ is just remove the harddrive from the box and installed it on another box and then move it back, works too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933509</id>
	<title>SliTaz ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can try SliTaz (http://slitaz.org) loram version : http://download.tuxfamily.org/slitaz/iso/2.0/flavors/slitaz-loram-cdrom.iso</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can try SliTaz ( http : //slitaz.org ) loram version : http : //download.tuxfamily.org/slitaz/iso/2.0/flavors/slitaz-loram-cdrom.iso</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can try SliTaz (http://slitaz.org) loram version : http://download.tuxfamily.org/slitaz/iso/2.0/flavors/slitaz-loram-cdrom.iso</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930959</id>
	<title>One Of My Favorites</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1256910600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No longer under development, but who cares? It works. Was intended to run from one floppy with additionals running from a second, but has other configuration options. I ran it on a 386 Thinkpad with DOS 6.3</p><p>muLinux (mu = micro)</p><p><a href="http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/mulinux.html" title="micheleandreoli.it">http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/mulinux.html</a> [micheleandreoli.it]</p><p>muLinux is a minimalistic Linux distribution, suitable for old computers. X11, GCC, VNC, SSH, Samba, Netscape etc. are supported on additional addon floppies. It can be installed from DOS/Win9x or Linux, without repartitioning.</p><p>Plus the head developer's personal project a single floppy Linux, Lepton, at the same site:</p><p>Lepton is the temporary name for a single floppy Linux, based on the kernel series 2.4.x. It is my lab where I do experiment with the framebuffer device in Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No longer under development , but who cares ?
It works .
Was intended to run from one floppy with additionals running from a second , but has other configuration options .
I ran it on a 386 Thinkpad with DOS 6.3muLinux ( mu = micro ) http : //www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/mulinux.html [ micheleandreoli.it ] muLinux is a minimalistic Linux distribution , suitable for old computers .
X11 , GCC , VNC , SSH , Samba , Netscape etc .
are supported on additional addon floppies .
It can be installed from DOS/Win9x or Linux , without repartitioning.Plus the head developer 's personal project a single floppy Linux , Lepton , at the same site : Lepton is the temporary name for a single floppy Linux , based on the kernel series 2.4.x .
It is my lab where I do experiment with the framebuffer device in Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No longer under development, but who cares?
It works.
Was intended to run from one floppy with additionals running from a second, but has other configuration options.
I ran it on a 386 Thinkpad with DOS 6.3muLinux (mu = micro)http://www.micheleandreoli.it/mulinux/mulinux.html [micheleandreoli.it]muLinux is a minimalistic Linux distribution, suitable for old computers.
X11, GCC, VNC, SSH, Samba, Netscape etc.
are supported on additional addon floppies.
It can be installed from DOS/Win9x or Linux, without repartitioning.Plus the head developer's personal project a single floppy Linux, Lepton, at the same site:Lepton is the temporary name for a single floppy Linux, based on the kernel series 2.4.x.
It is my lab where I do experiment with the framebuffer device in Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929591</id>
	<title>Tiny Core</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Install Ubuntu<br>2. ????<br>3. Profit!!!</p><p>Also try Tiny Core http://www.tinycorelinux.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Install Ubuntu2 .
? ? ? ? 3. Profit ! !
! Also try Tiny Core http : //www.tinycorelinux.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Install Ubuntu2.
????3. Profit!!
!Also try Tiny Core http://www.tinycorelinux.com/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934033</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Nerftoe</author>
	<datestamp>1257000000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>15 D cell batteries</i></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80\_Model\_100" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Try 4 AA batteries.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>15 D cell batteriesTry 4 AA batteries .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>15 D cell batteriesTry 4 AA batteries.
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933563</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>jvin248</author>
	<datestamp>1256995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Three options:<br> <br>

1- get a floppy network install disk of Debian <br>
2- remove the HDD and put in another computer, install DSL, Puppy Linux (lately I like the MacPup 'Pupplet'),or Debian and then move the HDD back to this laptop.<br>
3- look for 'tinyCore', Linux built by one of the DSL developers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Three options : 1- get a floppy network install disk of Debian 2- remove the HDD and put in another computer , install DSL , Puppy Linux ( lately I like the MacPup 'Pupplet ' ) ,or Debian and then move the HDD back to this laptop .
3- look for 'tinyCore ' , Linux built by one of the DSL developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three options: 

1- get a floppy network install disk of Debian 
2- remove the HDD and put in another computer, install DSL, Puppy Linux (lately I like the MacPup 'Pupplet'),or Debian and then move the HDD back to this laptop.
3- look for 'tinyCore', Linux built by one of the DSL developers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930777</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Reaperducer</author>
	<datestamp>1256909220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Because he doesn't want to be wasteful? Because it's fun and interesting.  Because he is of limited means?  Because he enjoys a challenge? Because he lives in the third world?  Because he's sending it to someone who's dirt poor or retarded or a charity?  Put down the Wii and try to think.</p><blockquote><div><p>Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I guess they don't sell dictionaries at <b>flee-markets</b>. <br>Coincidentally, there are software dictionaries that will work on his machine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE ?
Because he does n't want to be wasteful ?
Because it 's fun and interesting .
Because he is of limited means ?
Because he enjoys a challenge ?
Because he lives in the third world ?
Because he 's sending it to someone who 's dirt poor or retarded or a charity ?
Put down the Wii and try to think.Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets .
I guess they do n't sell dictionaries at flee-markets .
Coincidentally , there are software dictionaries that will work on his machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?
Because he doesn't want to be wasteful?
Because it's fun and interesting.
Because he is of limited means?
Because he enjoys a challenge?
Because he lives in the third world?
Because he's sending it to someone who's dirt poor or retarded or a charity?
Put down the Wii and try to think.Throw it out the window and visit the local flee-markets.
I guess they don't sell dictionaries at flee-markets.
Coincidentally, there are software dictionaries that will work on his machine.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932819</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1256979840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, Workgroups was specifically the network-aware version of the DOS-based Windows releases. Hell, you can install anything up to, IIRC, Internet Explorer 5 on it (it has a portion of the Win32 API, enough that some other browsers *might* run too, though it's doubtful). Somebody above mentioned Win95, which would also work. NT 3.5x, if you can find a copy, would probably work fine as well.</p><p>I'm still not sure what anybody would honestly *DO* with hardware that old, though. I've got a pair of machines - 400MHz P2 and 450MHz P3, both with CD-ROM, 256 MB of RAM, and 20GB HDDs. I've been trying to find a good use for them for a while, without much success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Workgroups was specifically the network-aware version of the DOS-based Windows releases .
Hell , you can install anything up to , IIRC , Internet Explorer 5 on it ( it has a portion of the Win32 API , enough that some other browsers * might * run too , though it 's doubtful ) .
Somebody above mentioned Win95 , which would also work .
NT 3.5x , if you can find a copy , would probably work fine as well.I 'm still not sure what anybody would honestly * DO * with hardware that old , though .
I 've got a pair of machines - 400MHz P2 and 450MHz P3 , both with CD-ROM , 256 MB of RAM , and 20GB HDDs .
I 've been trying to find a good use for them for a while , without much success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Workgroups was specifically the network-aware version of the DOS-based Windows releases.
Hell, you can install anything up to, IIRC, Internet Explorer 5 on it (it has a portion of the Win32 API, enough that some other browsers *might* run too, though it's doubtful).
Somebody above mentioned Win95, which would also work.
NT 3.5x, if you can find a copy, would probably work fine as well.I'm still not sure what anybody would honestly *DO* with hardware that old, though.
I've got a pair of machines - 400MHz P2 and 450MHz P3, both with CD-ROM, 256 MB of RAM, and 20GB HDDs.
I've been trying to find a good use for them for a while, without much success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935535</id>
	<title>Use an OS for thin-clients</title>
	<author>vsanjay</author>
	<datestamp>1257013200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should use an OS made for thin-clients. I made one from Debian to install using USB, but you could definitely try a network install, I'm sure. The total installed size with Firefox, X, Fluxbox is 297MB. Adding xterm would be very easy. If you need more info, let me know</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should use an OS made for thin-clients .
I made one from Debian to install using USB , but you could definitely try a network install , I 'm sure .
The total installed size with Firefox , X , Fluxbox is 297MB .
Adding xterm would be very easy .
If you need more info , let me know</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should use an OS made for thin-clients.
I made one from Debian to install using USB, but you could definitely try a network install, I'm sure.
The total installed size with Firefox, X, Fluxbox is 297MB.
Adding xterm would be very easy.
If you need more info, let me know</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930127</id>
	<title>To not create garbage.</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1256905320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better than throwing it out: make it useful again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better than throwing it out : make it useful again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better than throwing it out: make it useful again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933887</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>NeoStrider\_BZK</author>
	<datestamp>1256998620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>its not $100.<br>Its $100+some really big and obscure sum of taxes and service fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>its not $ 100.Its $ 100 + some really big and obscure sum of taxes and service fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its not $100.Its $100+some really big and obscure sum of taxes and service fees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930593</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930387</id>
	<title>Debian minimal</title>
	<author>solid\_liq</author>
	<datestamp>1256906640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Debian Minimal is what you're looking for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Debian Minimal is what you 're looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Debian Minimal is what you're looking for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930207</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>PishiGorbeh</author>
	<datestamp>1256905800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Score 5 "Funny"??!? Who the hell mods this stuff? and say hi to your mother when you emerge from her basement in the morning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Score 5 " Funny " ? ? ! ?
Who the hell mods this stuff ?
and say hi to your mother when you emerge from her basement in the morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Score 5 "Funny"??!?
Who the hell mods this stuff?
and say hi to your mother when you emerge from her basement in the morning.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929821</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930137</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You find an historic B/W TV from the 50's in an old house and decide you want to make it work again and watch FOX News on it.</p><p>After weeks of hard, dedicated work and search to find a broken valve, you manage to get the TV up and running but still you can't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see. Too bad analogue TV signals are gone: you missed nothing anyway, but had a lot of "fun" in the process...??</p><p>A footnote: in case of that TV, make sure you have anti-radiation clothes and a fire estinguisher before you plug it in.<br>In case of your PC: first run a bad blocks test......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You find an historic B/W TV from the 50 's in an old house and decide you want to make it work again and watch FOX News on it.After weeks of hard , dedicated work and search to find a broken valve , you manage to get the TV up and running but still you ca n't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see .
Too bad analogue TV signals are gone : you missed nothing anyway , but had a lot of " fun " in the process... ?
? A footnote : in case of that TV , make sure you have anti-radiation clothes and a fire estinguisher before you plug it in.In case of your PC : first run a bad blocks test..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You find an historic B/W TV from the 50's in an old house and decide you want to make it work again and watch FOX News on it.After weeks of hard, dedicated work and search to find a broken valve, you manage to get the TV up and running but still you can't syntonize to watch the network you wanted to see.
Too bad analogue TV signals are gone: you missed nothing anyway, but had a lot of "fun" in the process...?
?A footnote: in case of that TV, make sure you have anti-radiation clothes and a fire estinguisher before you plug it in.In case of your PC: first run a bad blocks test......</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929681</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932563</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1256931000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran Debian Hamm on a machine with similar specs circa 1997.</p><p>You will need a box of floppies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran Debian Hamm on a machine with similar specs circa 1997.You will need a box of floppies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran Debian Hamm on a machine with similar specs circa 1997.You will need a box of floppies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29951928</id>
	<title>Re:3.11</title>
	<author>TheGreatOrangePeel</author>
	<datestamp>1257185400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take my floppies, please!</p><p>...no, seriously, take them. My wife will thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take my floppies , please ! ...no , seriously , take them .
My wife will thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take my floppies, please!...no, seriously, take them.
My wife will thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929949</id>
	<title>kmandla is your man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://kmandla.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://kmandla.wordpress.com/</a> [wordpress.com] -- This guy has one of the best recent blgos devoted to running Linux on systems similar to the one you described. He has covered evrything you need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //kmandla.wordpress.com/ [ wordpress.com ] -- This guy has one of the best recent blgos devoted to running Linux on systems similar to the one you described .
He has covered evrything you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com] -- This guy has one of the best recent blgos devoted to running Linux on systems similar to the one you described.
He has covered evrything you need.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929935</id>
	<title>Gone are the floppy net installs.</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1256904060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a useless think pad that for a time was my picture server. I used redhat and booted a floppy and then used a driver floppy for my NIC. This let me install just what I needed from a server over the internet. I killed the RPM database for some reason I don't recall and could NOT find anyone who catered to boot floppy installs. Granted I could have fought and beaten on it and a local PC to do it but I gave up and used another junk one with a CD in it to install Damn Small Linux. It's clean and it's cool and right now it's running some ethernet testing at work.</p><p>The old one is going to be a range dummy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a useless think pad that for a time was my picture server .
I used redhat and booted a floppy and then used a driver floppy for my NIC .
This let me install just what I needed from a server over the internet .
I killed the RPM database for some reason I do n't recall and could NOT find anyone who catered to boot floppy installs .
Granted I could have fought and beaten on it and a local PC to do it but I gave up and used another junk one with a CD in it to install Damn Small Linux .
It 's clean and it 's cool and right now it 's running some ethernet testing at work.The old one is going to be a range dummy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a useless think pad that for a time was my picture server.
I used redhat and booted a floppy and then used a driver floppy for my NIC.
This let me install just what I needed from a server over the internet.
I killed the RPM database for some reason I don't recall and could NOT find anyone who catered to boot floppy installs.
Granted I could have fought and beaten on it and a local PC to do it but I gave up and used another junk one with a CD in it to install Damn Small Linux.
It's clean and it's cool and right now it's running some ethernet testing at work.The old one is going to be a range dummy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930111</id>
	<title>Dead Horse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, why bother with such an ancient bit of kit? You can pick up a much more capable second-hand laptop from EBay for around 20-30 bucks + shipping (i.e. at least pentium, 128 megs, SVGA, pccard etc).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , why bother with such an ancient bit of kit ?
You can pick up a much more capable second-hand laptop from EBay for around 20-30 bucks + shipping ( i.e .
at least pentium , 128 megs , SVGA , pccard etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, why bother with such an ancient bit of kit?
You can pick up a much more capable second-hand laptop from EBay for around 20-30 bucks + shipping (i.e.
at least pentium, 128 megs, SVGA, pccard etc).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932255</id>
	<title>Small floppy based</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1256925240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/" title="linuxlinks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/</a> [linuxlinks.com]</p><p>In that list, I tried blue flops before, (a two floppy distro, with an enhanced graphical Links browser) it worked fine on an old mostly broken pentium 1 laptop with 16 megs RAM that I was given. It says in the notes minimum requirement is 16 megs or 8 with swap, and a 386, has Ethernet card drivers and a text editor and some other stuff. I know I was able to get online with it and surf reasonably.</p><p><a href="http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ [ linuxlinks.com ] In that list , I tried blue flops before , ( a two floppy distro , with an enhanced graphical Links browser ) it worked fine on an old mostly broken pentium 1 laptop with 16 megs RAM that I was given .
It says in the notes minimum requirement is 16 megs or 8 with swap , and a 386 , has Ethernet card drivers and a text editor and some other stuff .
I know I was able to get online with it and surf reasonably.http : //blueflops.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Floppy/ [linuxlinks.com]In that list, I tried blue flops before, (a two floppy distro, with an enhanced graphical Links browser) it worked fine on an old mostly broken pentium 1 laptop with 16 megs RAM that I was given.
It says in the notes minimum requirement is 16 megs or 8 with swap, and a 386, has Ethernet card drivers and a text editor and some other stuff.
I know I was able to get online with it and surf reasonably.http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29969532</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257247740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second that.<br>I'm running Gentoo on a Pentium 133 right now on approx ~1Gigs of Hard Drive, I compile and update the system with my shiny quadcore tho.</p><p>gentoo is fairly easy to install (compared to a Linux From Scratch), well documented and up to date.<br>go for it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second that.I 'm running Gentoo on a Pentium 133 right now on approx ~ 1Gigs of Hard Drive , I compile and update the system with my shiny quadcore tho.gentoo is fairly easy to install ( compared to a Linux From Scratch ) , well documented and up to date.go for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second that.I'm running Gentoo on a Pentium 133 right now on approx ~1Gigs of Hard Drive, I compile and update the system with my shiny quadcore tho.gentoo is fairly easy to install (compared to a Linux From Scratch), well documented and up to date.go for it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933183</id>
	<title>OpenBSD</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1256987460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the <a href="http://openbsd.org/i386.html" title="openbsd.org">hardware support list</a> [openbsd.org], but looking at it, it supports DX2s/DX4s.  AFAIK UNIX was never ported to i386 before the addition of the FPU, although I could be wrong about that.</p><p>The reason why I'm suggesting this is because, as well as being a particularly compact, high quality codebase, OpenBSD is, as you probably know, specifically oriented towards security.  A firewall or software router is one of the only uses I can think of for a 486 these days.</p><p>If you were going to install <a href="http://www.netbsd.org/" title="netbsd.org">NetBSD</a> [netbsd.org], you could possibly mess around with using the CPU as a controller for something weird, especially if you know how to actually rip the motherboard out and attach it to a robot chassis.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>OpenBSD's internal fork of X is probably very tight I'm guessing as well, so you will possibly be able to run that.  You almost certainly won't be able to play mp3s on it, and personally I wouldn't even try Dillo on it, either; use links.</p><p>The DX4 was the first machine with video playback, if memory serves.</p><p>Good luck with it, and have fun.  If you can find a tight enough system for it, you'd probably be surprised at the number of uses you could find for it.  It'll run ash, ed/vi, sed, and grep, at least; and who really needs more than that anyway, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the hardware support list [ openbsd.org ] , but looking at it , it supports DX2s/DX4s .
AFAIK UNIX was never ported to i386 before the addition of the FPU , although I could be wrong about that.The reason why I 'm suggesting this is because , as well as being a particularly compact , high quality codebase , OpenBSD is , as you probably know , specifically oriented towards security .
A firewall or software router is one of the only uses I can think of for a 486 these days.If you were going to install NetBSD [ netbsd.org ] , you could possibly mess around with using the CPU as a controller for something weird , especially if you know how to actually rip the motherboard out and attach it to a robot chassis .
; ) OpenBSD 's internal fork of X is probably very tight I 'm guessing as well , so you will possibly be able to run that .
You almost certainly wo n't be able to play mp3s on it , and personally I would n't even try Dillo on it , either ; use links.The DX4 was the first machine with video playback , if memory serves.Good luck with it , and have fun .
If you can find a tight enough system for it , you 'd probably be surprised at the number of uses you could find for it .
It 'll run ash , ed/vi , sed , and grep , at least ; and who really needs more than that anyway , right ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the hardware support list [openbsd.org], but looking at it, it supports DX2s/DX4s.
AFAIK UNIX was never ported to i386 before the addition of the FPU, although I could be wrong about that.The reason why I'm suggesting this is because, as well as being a particularly compact, high quality codebase, OpenBSD is, as you probably know, specifically oriented towards security.
A firewall or software router is one of the only uses I can think of for a 486 these days.If you were going to install NetBSD [netbsd.org], you could possibly mess around with using the CPU as a controller for something weird, especially if you know how to actually rip the motherboard out and attach it to a robot chassis.
;)OpenBSD's internal fork of X is probably very tight I'm guessing as well, so you will possibly be able to run that.
You almost certainly won't be able to play mp3s on it, and personally I wouldn't even try Dillo on it, either; use links.The DX4 was the first machine with video playback, if memory serves.Good luck with it, and have fun.
If you can find a tight enough system for it, you'd probably be surprised at the number of uses you could find for it.
It'll run ash, ed/vi, sed, and grep, at least; and who really needs more than that anyway, right?
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933669</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>deander2</author>
	<datestamp>1256996460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>where can you buy an iphone 3gs for $100?  here in the states it costs $100 + $70/month*24 months = $1780</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>where can you buy an iphone 3gs for $ 100 ?
here in the states it costs $ 100 + $ 70/month * 24 months = $ 1780</tokentext>
<sentencetext>where can you buy an iphone 3gs for $100?
here in the states it costs $100 + $70/month*24 months = $1780</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929563</id>
	<title>DSL</title>
	<author>BetterSense</author>
	<datestamp>1256901840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's always DSL. It's 50mb and uses an older kernel. I used it on a laptop with no USB booting and 64mb ram, but I did have a detachable CD drive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's always DSL .
It 's 50mb and uses an older kernel .
I used it on a laptop with no USB booting and 64mb ram , but I did have a detachable CD drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's always DSL.
It's 50mb and uses an older kernel.
I used it on a laptop with no USB booting and 64mb ram, but I did have a detachable CD drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930471</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256907060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because they can, not because it's useful.  Though it could be:  I used to have a multi-user Linux box running Slackware and plugged into a lightly-used T1 (which was pretty fast, back then).  It served mail, HTTP, DNS, ran an IRC server, and multiple shell sessions for half a dozen folks at once.  'Twas a 25MHz 486 with 24 megs of RAM and a few hundred megs of disk.</p><p>It worked great.  For years and years.  And it'd work just as well these days, doing similar things.</p><p>I once picked up a couple of DEC VT330 terminals in good condition for a few bucks each, and plugged them into my desktop machine.  Why?  Because I could.</p><p>Not too many years ago, I scrounged an old XT, which had one 5.25" floppy drive, no hard drive, integrated 10base-2 Ethernet, and monochrome graphics.  I ran MS-DOS on it, with a resident(!) FTP server to get data back and forth, and had telnet and a few other basic networking tools working just great.  Just because I could.</p><p>It's really no different than hacking an <a href="http://www.powco.net/wrt/" title="powco.net">SD card</a> [powco.net] into your WRT54 router.  Or teaching your TI graphing calculator to play Tetris.  Or playing chess.  Or softball.  Or any other thing that seems totally boring to some folks, but which regardless is interesting enough to be rewarding to the person who is actually doing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE ? Because they can , not because it 's useful .
Though it could be : I used to have a multi-user Linux box running Slackware and plugged into a lightly-used T1 ( which was pretty fast , back then ) .
It served mail , HTTP , DNS , ran an IRC server , and multiple shell sessions for half a dozen folks at once .
'T was a 25MHz 486 with 24 megs of RAM and a few hundred megs of disk.It worked great .
For years and years .
And it 'd work just as well these days , doing similar things.I once picked up a couple of DEC VT330 terminals in good condition for a few bucks each , and plugged them into my desktop machine .
Why ? Because I could.Not too many years ago , I scrounged an old XT , which had one 5.25 " floppy drive , no hard drive , integrated 10base-2 Ethernet , and monochrome graphics .
I ran MS-DOS on it , with a resident ( !
) FTP server to get data back and forth , and had telnet and a few other basic networking tools working just great .
Just because I could.It 's really no different than hacking an SD card [ powco.net ] into your WRT54 router .
Or teaching your TI graphing calculator to play Tetris .
Or playing chess .
Or softball .
Or any other thing that seems totally boring to some folks , but which regardless is interesting enough to be rewarding to the person who is actually doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHY WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER INSTALLING ANYTHING ON THIS HARDWARE?Because they can, not because it's useful.
Though it could be:  I used to have a multi-user Linux box running Slackware and plugged into a lightly-used T1 (which was pretty fast, back then).
It served mail, HTTP, DNS, ran an IRC server, and multiple shell sessions for half a dozen folks at once.
'Twas a 25MHz 486 with 24 megs of RAM and a few hundred megs of disk.It worked great.
For years and years.
And it'd work just as well these days, doing similar things.I once picked up a couple of DEC VT330 terminals in good condition for a few bucks each, and plugged them into my desktop machine.
Why?  Because I could.Not too many years ago, I scrounged an old XT, which had one 5.25" floppy drive, no hard drive, integrated 10base-2 Ethernet, and monochrome graphics.
I ran MS-DOS on it, with a resident(!
) FTP server to get data back and forth, and had telnet and a few other basic networking tools working just great.
Just because I could.It's really no different than hacking an SD card [powco.net] into your WRT54 router.
Or teaching your TI graphing calculator to play Tetris.
Or playing chess.
Or softball.
Or any other thing that seems totally boring to some folks, but which regardless is interesting enough to be rewarding to the person who is actually doing it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930643</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256908260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I must disagree though. I have Dell Lattitude on a P1 processor with 64 MB of RAM and less than a gig of HD space. The good thing is, the laptop is rock hard stable, but I would want to install Linux on it. It runs XP pretty well btw, but OO.o is just a bit slow and I was thinking that an older version of Linux might be the best solution as I don't really need a laptop when I'm away from my desktop, except for maybe opening documents, spreadsheets and stuff.</p><p>And yes, I also have an older PDA that can take care of the office apps I need, but sometimes, it's just a matter of breathing new life into old equipment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must disagree though .
I have Dell Lattitude on a P1 processor with 64 MB of RAM and less than a gig of HD space .
The good thing is , the laptop is rock hard stable , but I would want to install Linux on it .
It runs XP pretty well btw , but OO.o is just a bit slow and I was thinking that an older version of Linux might be the best solution as I do n't really need a laptop when I 'm away from my desktop , except for maybe opening documents , spreadsheets and stuff.And yes , I also have an older PDA that can take care of the office apps I need , but sometimes , it 's just a matter of breathing new life into old equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must disagree though.
I have Dell Lattitude on a P1 processor with 64 MB of RAM and less than a gig of HD space.
The good thing is, the laptop is rock hard stable, but I would want to install Linux on it.
It runs XP pretty well btw, but OO.o is just a bit slow and I was thinking that an older version of Linux might be the best solution as I don't really need a laptop when I'm away from my desktop, except for maybe opening documents, spreadsheets and stuff.And yes, I also have an older PDA that can take care of the office apps I need, but sometimes, it's just a matter of breathing new life into old equipment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29936013</id>
	<title>Chunk it.</title>
	<author>Howitzer86</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a laptop like this.  I put Windows 95 on it and sold it on eBay to a college student for $15.

Seriously, avoid the stress man!  You can get a much more worthwhile obsolete laptop for less than $100.  One that you can browse the internet with, put wifi PC cards in, serve web pages with.

I recommend anything over 400mhz.  Trust me, they are cheap and easy to find.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a laptop like this .
I put Windows 95 on it and sold it on eBay to a college student for $ 15 .
Seriously , avoid the stress man !
You can get a much more worthwhile obsolete laptop for less than $ 100 .
One that you can browse the internet with , put wifi PC cards in , serve web pages with .
I recommend anything over 400mhz .
Trust me , they are cheap and easy to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a laptop like this.
I put Windows 95 on it and sold it on eBay to a college student for $15.
Seriously, avoid the stress man!
You can get a much more worthwhile obsolete laptop for less than $100.
One that you can browse the internet with, put wifi PC cards in, serve web pages with.
I recommend anything over 400mhz.
Trust me, they are cheap and easy to find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932157</id>
	<title>Just No.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1256923680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless your hardware is old enough that the kernel taking some 3-4 megs (instead of fitting on a floppy disk) is an issue, newer software is probably better.</p><p>Just go lightweight.</p><p>I would say Debian or Arch, not Gentoo. I like Fluxbox as a window manager, for a light system. That's about it -- add other things as needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless your hardware is old enough that the kernel taking some 3-4 megs ( instead of fitting on a floppy disk ) is an issue , newer software is probably better.Just go lightweight.I would say Debian or Arch , not Gentoo .
I like Fluxbox as a window manager , for a light system .
That 's about it -- add other things as needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless your hardware is old enough that the kernel taking some 3-4 megs (instead of fitting on a floppy disk) is an issue, newer software is probably better.Just go lightweight.I would say Debian or Arch, not Gentoo.
I like Fluxbox as a window manager, for a light system.
That's about it -- add other things as needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929587</id>
	<title>Try Debian</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Older versions of Debian supported floppy installs. The last time I tried it (with etch I think) I had some issues that annoyed me and the response I got is that nobody on the dev. team wanted to suffer with a kernel image that doesn't have the kitchen sink loaded so they crippled/dropped floppy install support. Still once you have an older system running it is trivial to upgrade if you have some connectivity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Older versions of Debian supported floppy installs .
The last time I tried it ( with etch I think ) I had some issues that annoyed me and the response I got is that nobody on the dev .
team wanted to suffer with a kernel image that does n't have the kitchen sink loaded so they crippled/dropped floppy install support .
Still once you have an older system running it is trivial to upgrade if you have some connectivity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Older versions of Debian supported floppy installs.
The last time I tried it (with etch I think) I had some issues that annoyed me and the response I got is that nobody on the dev.
team wanted to suffer with a kernel image that doesn't have the kitchen sink loaded so they crippled/dropped floppy install support.
Still once you have an older system running it is trivial to upgrade if you have some connectivity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930961</id>
	<title>If this is a matter of principle thing, why not...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256910660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>port v6 Unix to it? Your machine is somewhat comparable to the PDP/11 hardware that that OS ran on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>port v6 Unix to it ?
Your machine is somewhat comparable to the PDP/11 hardware that that OS ran on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>port v6 Unix to it?
Your machine is somewhat comparable to the PDP/11 hardware that that OS ran on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929573</id>
	<title>seriously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you seriously saying you can't find a minimal distro that boots off a floppy? You'll probably need to dig up something from when your laptop was current (maybe slackware?) and then build it up a bit from there, but it's certainly doable. It may not be the most recent kernel or have the latest features, but you'll need to look a little harder.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you seriously saying you ca n't find a minimal distro that boots off a floppy ?
You 'll probably need to dig up something from when your laptop was current ( maybe slackware ?
) and then build it up a bit from there , but it 's certainly doable .
It may not be the most recent kernel or have the latest features , but you 'll need to look a little harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you seriously saying you can't find a minimal distro that boots off a floppy?
You'll probably need to dig up something from when your laptop was current (maybe slackware?
) and then build it up a bit from there, but it's certainly doable.
It may not be the most recent kernel or have the latest features, but you'll need to look a little harder.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932767</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? It certainly mattered when that hardware was state of the art. If can still do plenty of things, a P3 can handle being a firewall or mail server easily, for very cheap. Too bad you value your "time" so highly that you can't see the value in things such as this. Recycling older hardware that is still perfectly usable is a good thing and makes good business sense. Being smug is not. Hell, computers less powerful were running entire companies back then, I've ran a 386 file server on netware for nearly a hundred users back in the early 90's. Worked just fine, email, file serving, print server, fax server, backup server, all on a 386 with 8mb of ram.</p><p>Perhaps your "time" is so valuable because you only know windows and can't handle working with such hardware. Dont be ashamed, there are a lot of people like you out there that have this smug air of techiness about them when in truth you are a lowly grunt who dreams of being a guru someday, so get back to your exchange server and AD silliness and let the real geeks do real things that require skill.</p><p>And anyone who considers $100 "disposable" is just an asshole. I say this even knowing I make a great deal more money than you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
It certainly mattered when that hardware was state of the art .
If can still do plenty of things , a P3 can handle being a firewall or mail server easily , for very cheap .
Too bad you value your " time " so highly that you ca n't see the value in things such as this .
Recycling older hardware that is still perfectly usable is a good thing and makes good business sense .
Being smug is not .
Hell , computers less powerful were running entire companies back then , I 've ran a 386 file server on netware for nearly a hundred users back in the early 90 's .
Worked just fine , email , file serving , print server , fax server , backup server , all on a 386 with 8mb of ram.Perhaps your " time " is so valuable because you only know windows and ca n't handle working with such hardware .
Dont be ashamed , there are a lot of people like you out there that have this smug air of techiness about them when in truth you are a lowly grunt who dreams of being a guru someday , so get back to your exchange server and AD silliness and let the real geeks do real things that require skill.And anyone who considers $ 100 " disposable " is just an asshole .
I say this even knowing I make a great deal more money than you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
It certainly mattered when that hardware was state of the art.
If can still do plenty of things, a P3 can handle being a firewall or mail server easily, for very cheap.
Too bad you value your "time" so highly that you can't see the value in things such as this.
Recycling older hardware that is still perfectly usable is a good thing and makes good business sense.
Being smug is not.
Hell, computers less powerful were running entire companies back then, I've ran a 386 file server on netware for nearly a hundred users back in the early 90's.
Worked just fine, email, file serving, print server, fax server, backup server, all on a 386 with 8mb of ram.Perhaps your "time" is so valuable because you only know windows and can't handle working with such hardware.
Dont be ashamed, there are a lot of people like you out there that have this smug air of techiness about them when in truth you are a lowly grunt who dreams of being a guru someday, so get back to your exchange server and AD silliness and let the real geeks do real things that require skill.And anyone who considers $100 "disposable" is just an asshole.
I say this even knowing I make a great deal more money than you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934709</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, there is something inherently geeky about getting old hardware to be useful again. But note the last part of that sentence, especially the \_useful\_ part. Personal computers are still a relatively young concept, but the start point is a fixed point in time. Every year, that history grows longer, and the collection of "existing hardware" expands. There is a point at which old computers really are worthless, and the window of usefulness is shrinking, rather than increasing. This is because, unlike cars (had to get them involved somewhere), where the purpose has always been the same, our purpose for using computers has been evolving along with the technology. "Geeky" is not (and should not be) shorthand for "purposeless time wasting". Sure there is also a point where the age comes out the other side and is an antique of historical interest. Then the point is to restore, not upgrade (and I really doubt an old 486 laptop will ever be interesting enough to warrant this kind of attention).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , there is something inherently geeky about getting old hardware to be useful again .
But note the last part of that sentence , especially the \ _useful \ _ part .
Personal computers are still a relatively young concept , but the start point is a fixed point in time .
Every year , that history grows longer , and the collection of " existing hardware " expands .
There is a point at which old computers really are worthless , and the window of usefulness is shrinking , rather than increasing .
This is because , unlike cars ( had to get them involved somewhere ) , where the purpose has always been the same , our purpose for using computers has been evolving along with the technology .
" Geeky " is not ( and should not be ) shorthand for " purposeless time wasting " .
Sure there is also a point where the age comes out the other side and is an antique of historical interest .
Then the point is to restore , not upgrade ( and I really doubt an old 486 laptop will ever be interesting enough to warrant this kind of attention ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, there is something inherently geeky about getting old hardware to be useful again.
But note the last part of that sentence, especially the \_useful\_ part.
Personal computers are still a relatively young concept, but the start point is a fixed point in time.
Every year, that history grows longer, and the collection of "existing hardware" expands.
There is a point at which old computers really are worthless, and the window of usefulness is shrinking, rather than increasing.
This is because, unlike cars (had to get them involved somewhere), where the purpose has always been the same, our purpose for using computers has been evolving along with the technology.
"Geeky" is not (and should not be) shorthand for "purposeless time wasting".
Sure there is also a point where the age comes out the other side and is an antique of historical interest.
Then the point is to restore, not upgrade (and I really doubt an old 486 laptop will ever be interesting enough to warrant this kind of attention).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929651</id>
	<title>There are more than enough small distros around</title>
	<author>arodland</author>
	<datestamp>1256902200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn Small Linux and Tiny Core Linux being some of the obvious choices. Your real problem is getting things booted in the first place. I wonder whether gPXE is able to see your PCMCIA network card. If it did, you could just boot that off of a floppy and from there it would be a pretty simple task to netinstatll something; if not, well I'm pretty sure DSL has a set of floppies still. You could also try installing Slackware 9, which I think was the last version to ship a floppy set -- just install the very base system from there and then once you're booted you can try an in-place upgrade over the network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn Small Linux and Tiny Core Linux being some of the obvious choices .
Your real problem is getting things booted in the first place .
I wonder whether gPXE is able to see your PCMCIA network card .
If it did , you could just boot that off of a floppy and from there it would be a pretty simple task to netinstatll something ; if not , well I 'm pretty sure DSL has a set of floppies still .
You could also try installing Slackware 9 , which I think was the last version to ship a floppy set -- just install the very base system from there and then once you 're booted you can try an in-place upgrade over the network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn Small Linux and Tiny Core Linux being some of the obvious choices.
Your real problem is getting things booted in the first place.
I wonder whether gPXE is able to see your PCMCIA network card.
If it did, you could just boot that off of a floppy and from there it would be a pretty simple task to netinstatll something; if not, well I'm pretty sure DSL has a set of floppies still.
You could also try installing Slackware 9, which I think was the last version to ship a floppy set -- just install the very base system from there and then once you're booted you can try an in-place upgrade over the network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29934867</id>
	<title>Re:PCMCIA CD-ROM or IDE Adapter</title>
	<author>sowth</author>
	<datestamp>1257006960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if using USB may be easier. I seem to remember buying a PCMCIA USB adapter for my mother's laptop a few years ago. It looks like newegg still carries them.

</p><p>The install process may still require a boot floppy, but after boot, a usb cdrom or flash card should work, assuming the floppy's kernel isn't too old. Then again, if the laptop has Win95/98 on it, dropping to DOS and using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadlin" title="wikipedia.org">loadlin</a> [wikipedia.org] to boot the install could work...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if using USB may be easier .
I seem to remember buying a PCMCIA USB adapter for my mother 's laptop a few years ago .
It looks like newegg still carries them .
The install process may still require a boot floppy , but after boot , a usb cdrom or flash card should work , assuming the floppy 's kernel is n't too old .
Then again , if the laptop has Win95/98 on it , dropping to DOS and using loadlin [ wikipedia.org ] to boot the install could work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if using USB may be easier.
I seem to remember buying a PCMCIA USB adapter for my mother's laptop a few years ago.
It looks like newegg still carries them.
The install process may still require a boot floppy, but after boot, a usb cdrom or flash card should work, assuming the floppy's kernel isn't too old.
Then again, if the laptop has Win95/98 on it, dropping to DOS and using loadlin [wikipedia.org] to boot the install could work...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932141</id>
	<title>Re:Be strong</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1256923320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where the hell do some of you people live where people give away computers.</p><p>Nobody gives away computers here.  Even non-protits have trouble outfitting themselves with cast-off equipment.  People seem to keep old machines running here for ages.  In fact, just last year, the local newspaper still had an old 68foo Performa running in their office.  They replaced it with a G4 tower.</p><p>Take a look at what the local computer recycling place is selling:</p><p><a href="http://www.atrecycle.com/" title="atrecycle.com">http://www.atrecycle.com/</a> [atrecycle.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where the hell do some of you people live where people give away computers.Nobody gives away computers here .
Even non-protits have trouble outfitting themselves with cast-off equipment .
People seem to keep old machines running here for ages .
In fact , just last year , the local newspaper still had an old 68foo Performa running in their office .
They replaced it with a G4 tower.Take a look at what the local computer recycling place is selling : http : //www.atrecycle.com/ [ atrecycle.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where the hell do some of you people live where people give away computers.Nobody gives away computers here.
Even non-protits have trouble outfitting themselves with cast-off equipment.
People seem to keep old machines running here for ages.
In fact, just last year, the local newspaper still had an old 68foo Performa running in their office.
They replaced it with a G4 tower.Take a look at what the local computer recycling place is selling:http://www.atrecycle.com/ [atrecycle.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929597</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think you need to go that old... Perhaps Redhat 5.6 or Suse 6.0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you need to go that old... Perhaps Redhat 5.6 or Suse 6.0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you need to go that old... Perhaps Redhat 5.6 or Suse 6.0</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931131</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256912220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a 486 dates this hardware as circa 1994... 25 years ago, making your point even more valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a 486 dates this hardware as circa 1994... 25 years ago , making your point even more valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a 486 dates this hardware as circa 1994... 25 years ago, making your point even more valid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929963</id>
	<title>LTSP, if the PCMCIA card supports PXEBOOT</title>
	<author>doodleboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256904360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If so, I'd have a look at <a href="http://ltsp.org/" title="ltsp.org">LTSP</a> [ltsp.org]. At work we're re-purposing a bunch of old thin clients at our branch offices to PXE boot into a modern Ubuntu server. The setup is very easy under Debian/Ubuntu and you'll get a modern OS on every screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If so , I 'd have a look at LTSP [ ltsp.org ] .
At work we 're re-purposing a bunch of old thin clients at our branch offices to PXE boot into a modern Ubuntu server .
The setup is very easy under Debian/Ubuntu and you 'll get a modern OS on every screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If so, I'd have a look at LTSP [ltsp.org].
At work we're re-purposing a bunch of old thin clients at our branch offices to PXE boot into a modern Ubuntu server.
The setup is very easy under Debian/Ubuntu and you'll get a modern OS on every screen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931155</id>
	<title>Re:Change hardware...</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1256912580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or load it with DOS and as much software as you can find, which is plenty.</p><p>It makes an entertaining evening (go to the Disk Op System forum at computing.net) and after you have sated your curiosity to experience what others have done before you can junk it or give it away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or load it with DOS and as much software as you can find , which is plenty.It makes an entertaining evening ( go to the Disk Op System forum at computing.net ) and after you have sated your curiosity to experience what others have done before you can junk it or give it away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or load it with DOS and as much software as you can find, which is plenty.It makes an entertaining evening (go to the Disk Op System forum at computing.net) and after you have sated your curiosity to experience what others have done before you can junk it or give it away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930085</id>
	<title>DSL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DSL Linux<br>http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DSL Linuxhttp : //www.damnsmalllinux.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DSL Linuxhttp://www.damnsmalllinux.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931939</id>
	<title>Time management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine."</p><p>Holy crap, is that a worthwhile use of your time? I mean, assuming that "the last few days" equates to 4 days, and a geek-day has 12 working hours.. That's 48 hours. At <i>minimum wage</i>, you could have bought a brand new netbook for that, and you can bet that 486 laptop will never equal a netbook even if you spend the rest of your life tweaking it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine .
" Holy crap , is that a worthwhile use of your time ?
I mean , assuming that " the last few days " equates to 4 days , and a geek-day has 12 working hours.. That 's 48 hours .
At minimum wage , you could have bought a brand new netbook for that , and you can bet that 486 laptop will never equal a netbook even if you spend the rest of your life tweaking it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I've spent the last few days trying to find a Linux distro that will work on that machine.
"Holy crap, is that a worthwhile use of your time?
I mean, assuming that "the last few days" equates to 4 days, and a geek-day has 12 working hours.. That's 48 hours.
At minimum wage, you could have bought a brand new netbook for that, and you can bet that 486 laptop will never equal a netbook even if you spend the rest of your life tweaking it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930015</id>
	<title>KolibriOS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Full disclosure: this isn't Linux. It is, however, everything you asked for and more, and it fits on a single floppy. I'm sure the guys in their forum will be more than willing to help you out.</p><p>http://kolibrios.org/</p><p>If you want linux specifically, tiny core linux is what you're looking for:</p><p>http://tinycorelinux.com/</p><p>Happy computing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Full disclosure : this is n't Linux .
It is , however , everything you asked for and more , and it fits on a single floppy .
I 'm sure the guys in their forum will be more than willing to help you out.http : //kolibrios.org/If you want linux specifically , tiny core linux is what you 're looking for : http : //tinycorelinux.com/Happy computing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Full disclosure: this isn't Linux.
It is, however, everything you asked for and more, and it fits on a single floppy.
I'm sure the guys in their forum will be more than willing to help you out.http://kolibrios.org/If you want linux specifically, tiny core linux is what you're looking for:http://tinycorelinux.com/Happy computing!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29933671</id>
	<title>DeLi linux</title>
	<author>Jeek Elemental</author>
	<datestamp>1256996460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I put this on a 15 yo toshiba satellite pro (p75, 40MB ram, 750MB hd), works fine.<br>Getting wireless from a pcmcia card took a little work.<br>The CD rom, which is a custom toshiba thing, worked fine which was pretty impressive.</p><p>Ofcourse once the itch to get everything running was satisfied, it just sits on a shelf now..:)</p><p><a href="http://www.delilinux.de/" title="delilinux.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.delilinux.de/</a> [delilinux.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I put this on a 15 yo toshiba satellite pro ( p75 , 40MB ram , 750MB hd ) , works fine.Getting wireless from a pcmcia card took a little work.The CD rom , which is a custom toshiba thing , worked fine which was pretty impressive.Ofcourse once the itch to get everything running was satisfied , it just sits on a shelf now.. : ) http : //www.delilinux.de/ [ delilinux.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put this on a 15 yo toshiba satellite pro (p75, 40MB ram, 750MB hd), works fine.Getting wireless from a pcmcia card took a little work.The CD rom, which is a custom toshiba thing, worked fine which was pretty impressive.Ofcourse once the itch to get everything running was satisfied, it just sits on a shelf now..:)http://www.delilinux.de/ [delilinux.de]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930001</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>GasparGMSwordsman</author>
	<datestamp>1256904600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>a 486? Why on earth would you bother? Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days, but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist. That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Some times you don't need anything more powerful.<br> <br>

Plus that $30 or $40 is still money out the door, then you have to spend time looking, finding and then getting (ie picking up) the new hardware.<br> <br>

If you have hardware that works, why bother upgrading?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a 486 ?
Why on earth would you bother ?
Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days , but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist .
That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using .
Some times you do n't need anything more powerful .
Plus that $ 30 or $ 40 is still money out the door , then you have to spend time looking , finding and then getting ( ie picking up ) the new hardware .
If you have hardware that works , why bother upgrading ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a 486?
Why on earth would you bother?
Even a p3 laptop is pretty obsolete these days, but still can be had for under 30 or 40 dollars on craigslist.
That would be a quantum leap above the 486 you are planning on using.
Some times you don't need anything more powerful.
Plus that $30 or $40 is still money out the door, then you have to spend time looking, finding and then getting (ie picking up) the new hardware.
If you have hardware that works, why bother upgrading?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930367</id>
	<title>BuildRoot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you can build a distro as slim as you want or heavy as you want. and it creates ext images after compilation.</p><p>http://buildroot.uclibc.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can build a distro as slim as you want or heavy as you want .
and it creates ext images after compilation.http : //buildroot.uclibc.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can build a distro as slim as you want or heavy as you want.
and it creates ext images after compilation.http://buildroot.uclibc.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931643</id>
	<title>Thank you for fun.</title>
	<author>jackb\_guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1256917680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too have old hardware:<br>486sx16 with 12MB and 275MB drive, 2 ISA 10baseT - use for testing of IPCop.org linux firewall.  Works great.</p><p>K6-3D 400 with 256mb and 10G drive - Had to get Ubuntu 7.04 because new versions would not find IDE drvies correctly and had problems with ACPI (or lack of).  Then upgrade upgrade upgrade not to 9.04.  Took awhile. It is what I am writing on now.</p><p>My next projects are Dual PPro 200 with 256MB and 2 2G drives. It was running Linux before with NT3.51 in a VMWare session, but that been a few years.   2 SMALL form P6-500 with 256MB and 10GB.</p><p>I also run Core 2 QUAD with 8GB and 256G and 1TB with VMWare 5 sessions.  So I do not just have old hardware.</p><p>I am finding Linux has loss some of its roots for being able to bring more work out of older equipment.  But it does not stop us from trying, does it.  Good luck with your project.</p><p>I used an old redhat diskette a few months ago to netload from their servers, was fun and slow but did work.  Other information for doing these types of installs.<br><a href="http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst" title="debian.org">http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst</a> [debian.org]<br><a href="http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html" title="herbert.free.fr">http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html</a> [herbert.free.fr]  -helpful.</p><p>Also remember the Async ports on these old machines and be connected to another machine and used for network loading too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)  Just takes longer be works very well.</p><p>Thank you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too have old hardware : 486sx16 with 12MB and 275MB drive , 2 ISA 10baseT - use for testing of IPCop.org linux firewall .
Works great.K6-3D 400 with 256mb and 10G drive - Had to get Ubuntu 7.04 because new versions would not find IDE drvies correctly and had problems with ACPI ( or lack of ) .
Then upgrade upgrade upgrade not to 9.04 .
Took awhile .
It is what I am writing on now.My next projects are Dual PPro 200 with 256MB and 2 2G drives .
It was running Linux before with NT3.51 in a VMWare session , but that been a few years .
2 SMALL form P6-500 with 256MB and 10GB.I also run Core 2 QUAD with 8GB and 256G and 1TB with VMWare 5 sessions .
So I do not just have old hardware.I am finding Linux has loss some of its roots for being able to bring more work out of older equipment .
But it does not stop us from trying , does it .
Good luck with your project.I used an old redhat diskette a few months ago to netload from their servers , was fun and slow but did work .
Other information for doing these types of installs.http : //www.debian.org/distrib/netinst [ debian.org ] http : //marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html [ herbert.free.fr ] -helpful.Also remember the Async ports on these old machines and be connected to another machine and used for network loading too .
; - ) Just takes longer be works very well.Thank you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too have old hardware:486sx16 with 12MB and 275MB drive, 2 ISA 10baseT - use for testing of IPCop.org linux firewall.
Works great.K6-3D 400 with 256mb and 10G drive - Had to get Ubuntu 7.04 because new versions would not find IDE drvies correctly and had problems with ACPI (or lack of).
Then upgrade upgrade upgrade not to 9.04.
Took awhile.
It is what I am writing on now.My next projects are Dual PPro 200 with 256MB and 2 2G drives.
It was running Linux before with NT3.51 in a VMWare session, but that been a few years.
2 SMALL form P6-500 with 256MB and 10GB.I also run Core 2 QUAD with 8GB and 256G and 1TB with VMWare 5 sessions.
So I do not just have old hardware.I am finding Linux has loss some of its roots for being able to bring more work out of older equipment.
But it does not stop us from trying, does it.
Good luck with your project.I used an old redhat diskette a few months ago to netload from their servers, was fun and slow but did work.
Other information for doing these types of installs.http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst [debian.org]http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html [herbert.free.fr]  -helpful.Also remember the Async ports on these old machines and be connected to another machine and used for network loading too.
;-)  Just takes longer be works very well.Thank you</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930287</id>
	<title>Re:WHY would you do this?</title>
	<author>aniefer</author>
	<datestamp>1256906220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>put it in a frame or something</p> </div><p>Do this, literally.<br>
I took a similar laptop, flipped the screen and put a wooden picture frame around it.  Now it is a digital picture frame.  Of course, without USB, cd or network, it is a little painful to actually get the photos onto the computer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>put it in a frame or something Do this , literally .
I took a similar laptop , flipped the screen and put a wooden picture frame around it .
Now it is a digital picture frame .
Of course , without USB , cd or network , it is a little painful to actually get the photos onto the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>put it in a frame or something Do this, literally.
I took a similar laptop, flipped the screen and put a wooden picture frame around it.
Now it is a digital picture frame.
Of course, without USB, cd or network, it is a little painful to actually get the photos onto the computer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29935251</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257010860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking the same thing - this sounds like a Gentoo minimal install. However, the summary states there's no USB ports or CD drive. Without some serious digging, I don't know that you can do a non-CD Gentoo install. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Personally, I'd find an old CD drive, hook it up, and install off a CD. It's FAR easier than trying to do some shit with floppies, or trying to boot off a serial cable or something. I'd be surprised if anyone trying to install linux on old hardware doesn't know someone with an old 4x CD drive kicking around that they could borrow for a few hours. That would be far less painful than any alternatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking the same thing - this sounds like a Gentoo minimal install .
However , the summary states there 's no USB ports or CD drive .
Without some serious digging , I do n't know that you can do a non-CD Gentoo install .
  Personally , I 'd find an old CD drive , hook it up , and install off a CD .
It 's FAR easier than trying to do some shit with floppies , or trying to boot off a serial cable or something .
I 'd be surprised if anyone trying to install linux on old hardware does n't know someone with an old 4x CD drive kicking around that they could borrow for a few hours .
That would be far less painful than any alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking the same thing - this sounds like a Gentoo minimal install.
However, the summary states there's no USB ports or CD drive.
Without some serious digging, I don't know that you can do a non-CD Gentoo install.
  Personally, I'd find an old CD drive, hook it up, and install off a CD.
It's FAR easier than trying to do some shit with floppies, or trying to boot off a serial cable or something.
I'd be surprised if anyone trying to install linux on old hardware doesn't know someone with an old 4x CD drive kicking around that they could borrow for a few hours.
That would be far less painful than any alternatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931107</id>
	<title>Deli Linux</title>
	<author>flameproof</author>
	<datestamp>1256911980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try here: <a href="http://www.delilinux.de/" title="delilinux.de" rel="nofollow">Deli Linux</a> [delilinux.de].  Specs: 486 +(exactly) 750mb hd.  Most likely you can trim down the floppy install in some manner to bink that back enough to be meaninful.  Try the <a href="http://www.delilinux.org/forum/" title="delilinux.org" rel="nofollow">forums</a> [delilinux.org].  Hope that helps.<br> <br>

By-the-by, I get why anyone would want to "waste their time" with such efforts: <i>Because You Can</i>.  Please disregard these post `90's, Pentium-based infidels.  Deli's tagline: "`Why the heck make a Linux for such old crap ?' you may ask.'"  (Because) "I can't stop playing with it." (Taken directly from the front webpage).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try here : Deli Linux [ delilinux.de ] .
Specs : 486 + ( exactly ) 750mb hd .
Most likely you can trim down the floppy install in some manner to bink that back enough to be meaninful .
Try the forums [ delilinux.org ] .
Hope that helps .
By-the-by , I get why anyone would want to " waste their time " with such efforts : Because You Can .
Please disregard these post ` 90 's , Pentium-based infidels .
Deli 's tagline : " ` Why the heck make a Linux for such old crap ?
' you may ask .
' " ( Because ) " I ca n't stop playing with it .
" ( Taken directly from the front webpage ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try here: Deli Linux [delilinux.de].
Specs: 486 +(exactly) 750mb hd.
Most likely you can trim down the floppy install in some manner to bink that back enough to be meaninful.
Try the forums [delilinux.org].
Hope that helps.
By-the-by, I get why anyone would want to "waste their time" with such efforts: Because You Can.
Please disregard these post `90's, Pentium-based infidels.
Deli's tagline: "`Why the heck make a Linux for such old crap ?
' you may ask.
'"  (Because) "I can't stop playing with it.
" (Taken directly from the front webpage).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929903</id>
	<title>Knoppix?</title>
	<author>hazem</author>
	<datestamp>1256903880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used Knoppix in the past (the CD image) and it had an hd-install option that would put itself on the harddrive.  You would be able to tell if X works using just the live CD then decide if you want to install.</p><p>[url:http://www.knoppix.org/]</p><p>[url:http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hd\_Install\_HowTo]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used Knoppix in the past ( the CD image ) and it had an hd-install option that would put itself on the harddrive .
You would be able to tell if X works using just the live CD then decide if you want to install .
[ url : http : //www.knoppix.org/ ] [ url : http : //www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hd \ _Install \ _HowTo ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used Knoppix in the past (the CD image) and it had an hd-install option that would put itself on the harddrive.
You would be able to tell if X works using just the live CD then decide if you want to install.
[url:http://www.knoppix.org/][url:http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Hd\_Install\_HowTo]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931755</id>
	<title>I wouldn't recommend this</title>
	<author>es330td</author>
	<datestamp>1256918760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to have a collection of old hardware and tried doing this a couple times.  You are going to find that it is so incredibly slow that whatever satifaction you got from getting it to work will be more than cancelled by the disappointment in the performance.  I tried installing a couple Linux flavors on a Dual Pentium Pro 200 with 1 GB of RAM, a computer that is light years ahead of your i486 and was quite depressed about how poorly it performed.  The fact is that successive generations of CPU's really smoke the previous ones, and two generations is too big a gap.

Save yourself the aggravation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to have a collection of old hardware and tried doing this a couple times .
You are going to find that it is so incredibly slow that whatever satifaction you got from getting it to work will be more than cancelled by the disappointment in the performance .
I tried installing a couple Linux flavors on a Dual Pentium Pro 200 with 1 GB of RAM , a computer that is light years ahead of your i486 and was quite depressed about how poorly it performed .
The fact is that successive generations of CPU 's really smoke the previous ones , and two generations is too big a gap .
Save yourself the aggravation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to have a collection of old hardware and tried doing this a couple times.
You are going to find that it is so incredibly slow that whatever satifaction you got from getting it to work will be more than cancelled by the disappointment in the performance.
I tried installing a couple Linux flavors on a Dual Pentium Pro 200 with 1 GB of RAM, a computer that is light years ahead of your i486 and was quite depressed about how poorly it performed.
The fact is that successive generations of CPU's really smoke the previous ones, and two generations is too big a gap.
Save yourself the aggravation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29931347</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256914740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it's just bad advice. There's no reason that I can think of to run distros based on outdated kernels, unless you have some really exotic hardware. It's been said a hundred times but if your hardware is too slow for something like Puppy or Slax and you don't have time to customize (like with Arch, let's say), DSL is the way to go. Yeah, the desktop is fluxbox, as opposed to KDE 4 or something, but if you want shiny you have to spend some $$$<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>As far as improving things without requiring extra resources, I think most people are OK with upgrading their hardware so their desktop isn't stuck in '95. For recovery work you only really need a CLI, but for day-to-day use, you may as well get on that upgrade treadmill...less eye strain that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's just bad advice .
There 's no reason that I can think of to run distros based on outdated kernels , unless you have some really exotic hardware .
It 's been said a hundred times but if your hardware is too slow for something like Puppy or Slax and you do n't have time to customize ( like with Arch , let 's say ) , DSL is the way to go .
Yeah , the desktop is fluxbox , as opposed to KDE 4 or something , but if you want shiny you have to spend some $ $ $ : ) As far as improving things without requiring extra resources , I think most people are OK with upgrading their hardware so their desktop is n't stuck in '95 .
For recovery work you only really need a CLI , but for day-to-day use , you may as well get on that upgrade treadmill...less eye strain that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's just bad advice.
There's no reason that I can think of to run distros based on outdated kernels, unless you have some really exotic hardware.
It's been said a hundred times but if your hardware is too slow for something like Puppy or Slax and you don't have time to customize (like with Arch, let's say), DSL is the way to go.
Yeah, the desktop is fluxbox, as opposed to KDE 4 or something, but if you want shiny you have to spend some $$$ :)As far as improving things without requiring extra resources, I think most people are OK with upgrading their hardware so their desktop isn't stuck in '95.
For recovery work you only really need a CLI, but for day-to-day use, you may as well get on that upgrade treadmill...less eye strain that way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29932327</id>
	<title>Single-floppy OS</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1256926440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>32-bit and 64-bit operating system written entirely in assembler, fits on one floppy.
<a href="http://www.menuetos.net/" title="menuetos.net">http://www.menuetos.net/</a> [menuetos.net]
<p>
Pre-emptive multitasking with 1000hz scheduler, multithreading, ring-3 protection
<br>
Responsive GUI with resolutions up to 1280x1024, 16 million colours
<br>
Free-form, transparent and skinnable application windows, drag'n drop
<br>
IDE: Editor/Assembler for applications
<br>
USB 2.0 Hi-speed storage, webcam and printer support
<br>
TCP/IP stack with Loopback &amp; Ethernet drivers
<br>
Email/ftp/http/chess clients and ftp/mp3/http servers
<br>
Hard real-time data fetch
<br>
Fits on a single floppy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>32-bit and 64-bit operating system written entirely in assembler , fits on one floppy .
http : //www.menuetos.net/ [ menuetos.net ] Pre-emptive multitasking with 1000hz scheduler , multithreading , ring-3 protection Responsive GUI with resolutions up to 1280x1024 , 16 million colours Free-form , transparent and skinnable application windows , drag'n drop IDE : Editor/Assembler for applications USB 2.0 Hi-speed storage , webcam and printer support TCP/IP stack with Loopback &amp; Ethernet drivers Email/ftp/http/chess clients and ftp/mp3/http servers Hard real-time data fetch Fits on a single floppy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>32-bit and 64-bit operating system written entirely in assembler, fits on one floppy.
http://www.menuetos.net/ [menuetos.net]

Pre-emptive multitasking with 1000hz scheduler, multithreading, ring-3 protection

Responsive GUI with resolutions up to 1280x1024, 16 million colours

Free-form, transparent and skinnable application windows, drag'n drop

IDE: Editor/Assembler for applications

USB 2.0 Hi-speed storage, webcam and printer support

TCP/IP stack with Loopback &amp; Ethernet drivers

Email/ftp/http/chess clients and ftp/mp3/http servers

Hard real-time data fetch

Fits on a single floppy</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929759</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>migla</author>
	<datestamp>1256902920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this is the best solution, it's too bad, isn't it? Surely there has been all kinds of developments and innovation and enablement and whatnot over the years that doesn't require more computing power - ideas that are new and better, not just more of the same?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is the best solution , it 's too bad , is n't it ?
Surely there has been all kinds of developments and innovation and enablement and whatnot over the years that does n't require more computing power - ideas that are new and better , not just more of the same ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this is the best solution, it's too bad, isn't it?
Surely there has been all kinds of developments and innovation and enablement and whatnot over the years that doesn't require more computing power - ideas that are new and better, not just more of the same?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29939675</id>
	<title>Re: A rare item.</title>
	<author>simon13</author>
	<datestamp>1257013740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely a PCMCIA card providing USB ports or a CD-ROM would be easier than using floppies.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Although the chances of having a BIOS that can boot from those might be difficult - probably requiring another boot-loader.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely a PCMCIA card providing USB ports or a CD-ROM would be easier than using floppies .
...Although the chances of having a BIOS that can boot from those might be difficult - probably requiring another boot-loader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely a PCMCIA card providing USB ports or a CD-ROM would be easier than using floppies.
...Although the chances of having a BIOS that can boot from those might be difficult - probably requiring another boot-loader.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29930625</id>
	<title>Re:too old</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1256908080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are one of those people we dont hire. In fact that is a question asked at interview, what do you think about low power hardware like 386's?  We do embedded work and a 486 is considered high end.</p><p>Cripes I have a robot wandering the office that has a 386 as it's processor that is doing more than most current office machines ever do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are one of those people we dont hire .
In fact that is a question asked at interview , what do you think about low power hardware like 386 's ?
We do embedded work and a 486 is considered high end.Cripes I have a robot wandering the office that has a 386 as it 's processor that is doing more than most current office machines ever do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are one of those people we dont hire.
In fact that is a question asked at interview, what do you think about low power hardware like 386's?
We do embedded work and a 486 is considered high end.Cripes I have a robot wandering the office that has a 386 as it's processor that is doing more than most current office machines ever do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29929993</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>rouge86</author>
	<datestamp>1256904600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I would consider using new software.  Gentoo excels in the area of customized builds that meet only the needs of the hardware.  When I used to build my system, my idea of bloat is anything that required GTK or QT.  I installed Evilwm, and Ratpoison works really well too.  I would also compile Enlightenment's Engage dock.  The dependencies were fairly small.  If you need a file browser, there are some that don't need GTK or QT, but I would prefer xterm as a file browser over those graphical versions.  You may need to experiment some with the system to see what works for you as opposed to just taking someone's suggestion.  Debian distros probably would work since they tend to support older hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I would consider using new software .
Gentoo excels in the area of customized builds that meet only the needs of the hardware .
When I used to build my system , my idea of bloat is anything that required GTK or QT .
I installed Evilwm , and Ratpoison works really well too .
I would also compile Enlightenment 's Engage dock .
The dependencies were fairly small .
If you need a file browser , there are some that do n't need GTK or QT , but I would prefer xterm as a file browser over those graphical versions .
You may need to experiment some with the system to see what works for you as opposed to just taking someone 's suggestion .
Debian distros probably would work since they tend to support older hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I would consider using new software.
Gentoo excels in the area of customized builds that meet only the needs of the hardware.
When I used to build my system, my idea of bloat is anything that required GTK or QT.
I installed Evilwm, and Ratpoison works really well too.
I would also compile Enlightenment's Engage dock.
The dependencies were fairly small.
If you need a file browser, there are some that don't need GTK or QT, but I would prefer xterm as a file browser over those graphical versions.
You may need to experiment some with the system to see what works for you as opposed to just taking someone's suggestion.
Debian distros probably would work since they tend to support older hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_30_2126252.29937925</id>
	<title>Re:When you have a machine from that era...</title>
	<author>spauldo</author>
	<datestamp>1256993580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Debian used to work well on older systems, but I wouldn't say that these days.  Two years ago, Debian on a Pentium 75 was usable with a minimal install, and would fit on a 400MB hard drive.  Those days are long gone.  I'm about to replace my two Pentium systems with Pentium III, which rankles my sensibilities since I see that as major overkill for a simple firewall and a DNS/DHCP/IRC server.</p><p>OpenBSD might be a better choice, actually.  It runs on minimal systems and uses very little disk space, so he would be able to only add the stuff he wanted.</p><p>If he had unlimited time to work on it, Linux from Scratch would work well, but unless he cross compiled it on a modern machine it would take forever to actually assemble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Debian used to work well on older systems , but I would n't say that these days .
Two years ago , Debian on a Pentium 75 was usable with a minimal install , and would fit on a 400MB hard drive .
Those days are long gone .
I 'm about to replace my two Pentium systems with Pentium III , which rankles my sensibilities since I see that as major overkill for a simple firewall and a DNS/DHCP/IRC server.OpenBSD might be a better choice , actually .
It runs on minimal systems and uses very little disk space , so he would be able to only add the stuff he wanted.If he had unlimited time to work on it , Linux from Scratch would work well , but unless he cross compiled it on a modern machine it would take forever to actually assemble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Debian used to work well on older systems, but I wouldn't say that these days.
Two years ago, Debian on a Pentium 75 was usable with a minimal install, and would fit on a 400MB hard drive.
Those days are long gone.
I'm about to replace my two Pentium systems with Pentium III, which rankles my sensibilities since I see that as major overkill for a simple firewall and a DNS/DHCP/IRC server.OpenBSD might be a better choice, actually.
It runs on minimal systems and uses very little disk space, so he would be able to only add the stuff he wanted.If he had unlimited time to work on it, Linux from Scratch would work well, but unless he cross compiled it on a modern machine it would take forever to actually assemble.</sentencetext>
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