<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_29_1955236</id>
	<title>How To Enter Equations Quickly In Class?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256805360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>AdmiralXyz writes <i>"I'm a university student, and I like to take notes on my (non-tablet) computer whenever possible, so it's easier to sort, categorize, and search through them later. Trouble is, I'm going into higher and higher math classes, and typing "f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)" just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes. I'm not particular about the details, the only requirement is that I need to keep up with the lecture, so it has to be fast, fast, fast. Straight LaTeX is way too slow, and Microsoft's Equation Editor isn't even worth mentioning. The platform is not a concern (I'm on a MacBook Pro and can run either Windows or Ubuntu in a virtual box if need be), but the less of a hit to battery life, the better. I've looked at several dedicated equation editing programs, but none of them, or their reviews, make any mention of speed. I've even thought about investing in a low-end Wacom tablet (does anyone know if there are ultra-cheap graphics tablets designed for non-artists?), but I figured I'd see if anyone at Slashdot has a better solution."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>AdmiralXyz writes " I 'm a university student , and I like to take notes on my ( non-tablet ) computer whenever possible , so it 's easier to sort , categorize , and search through them later .
Trouble is , I 'm going into higher and higher math classes , and typing " f \ _X ( x ) = integral ( -infinity , infinity , f ( x,y ) dy ) " just is n't cutting it anymore : I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes .
I 'm not particular about the details , the only requirement is that I need to keep up with the lecture , so it has to be fast , fast , fast .
Straight LaTeX is way too slow , and Microsoft 's Equation Editor is n't even worth mentioning .
The platform is not a concern ( I 'm on a MacBook Pro and can run either Windows or Ubuntu in a virtual box if need be ) , but the less of a hit to battery life , the better .
I 've looked at several dedicated equation editing programs , but none of them , or their reviews , make any mention of speed .
I 've even thought about investing in a low-end Wacom tablet ( does anyone know if there are ultra-cheap graphics tablets designed for non-artists ?
) , but I figured I 'd see if anyone at Slashdot has a better solution .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AdmiralXyz writes "I'm a university student, and I like to take notes on my (non-tablet) computer whenever possible, so it's easier to sort, categorize, and search through them later.
Trouble is, I'm going into higher and higher math classes, and typing "f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)" just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes.
I'm not particular about the details, the only requirement is that I need to keep up with the lecture, so it has to be fast, fast, fast.
Straight LaTeX is way too slow, and Microsoft's Equation Editor isn't even worth mentioning.
The platform is not a concern (I'm on a MacBook Pro and can run either Windows or Ubuntu in a virtual box if need be), but the less of a hit to battery life, the better.
I've looked at several dedicated equation editing programs, but none of them, or their reviews, make any mention of speed.
I've even thought about investing in a low-end Wacom tablet (does anyone know if there are ultra-cheap graphics tablets designed for non-artists?
), but I figured I'd see if anyone at Slashdot has a better solution.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919545</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1256827140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always made notes while in class. Not because I wanted to write down everything, but to write down what I found important or taxing. Writing things down makes you remember things better. You can also write things down your way and not in the way the teacher writes things down, with side notes and all.</p><p>Personally, forbidding students to write things down is downright patronizing. Students will create their own personal method of studying and it does not help if they are dictated in each and every class on how to do things. I'm also afraid that if you don't keep a good tab on your students, only the good ones will benefit with your approach.</p><p>I must admit though that for maths you might very well be right. Writing down the equations is a waste of time if they are already jotted down, and writing down only part of the equation makes not so much sense in most cases. Chances on errors is also larger.</p><p>If you don't let people write things down you MUST supply them with a copy of the material, making sure that you include each and every step. If possible you should show this to a novice student before distributing to make sure that you include things that are obvious to you, but may not be so obvious to others. Adding a page with some things discussed in class would also help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always made notes while in class .
Not because I wanted to write down everything , but to write down what I found important or taxing .
Writing things down makes you remember things better .
You can also write things down your way and not in the way the teacher writes things down , with side notes and all.Personally , forbidding students to write things down is downright patronizing .
Students will create their own personal method of studying and it does not help if they are dictated in each and every class on how to do things .
I 'm also afraid that if you do n't keep a good tab on your students , only the good ones will benefit with your approach.I must admit though that for maths you might very well be right .
Writing down the equations is a waste of time if they are already jotted down , and writing down only part of the equation makes not so much sense in most cases .
Chances on errors is also larger.If you do n't let people write things down you MUST supply them with a copy of the material , making sure that you include each and every step .
If possible you should show this to a novice student before distributing to make sure that you include things that are obvious to you , but may not be so obvious to others .
Adding a page with some things discussed in class would also help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always made notes while in class.
Not because I wanted to write down everything, but to write down what I found important or taxing.
Writing things down makes you remember things better.
You can also write things down your way and not in the way the teacher writes things down, with side notes and all.Personally, forbidding students to write things down is downright patronizing.
Students will create their own personal method of studying and it does not help if they are dictated in each and every class on how to do things.
I'm also afraid that if you don't keep a good tab on your students, only the good ones will benefit with your approach.I must admit though that for maths you might very well be right.
Writing down the equations is a waste of time if they are already jotted down, and writing down only part of the equation makes not so much sense in most cases.
Chances on errors is also larger.If you don't let people write things down you MUST supply them with a copy of the material, making sure that you include each and every step.
If possible you should show this to a novice student before distributing to make sure that you include things that are obvious to you, but may not be so obvious to others.
Adding a page with some things discussed in class would also help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917505</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Your.Master</author>
	<datestamp>1256814960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I swear that at least three different people used method #6 in my classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I swear that at least three different people used method # 6 in my classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I swear that at least three different people used method #6 in my classes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918875</id>
	<title>Re:OpenOffice.org</title>
	<author>level\_headed\_midwest</author>
	<datestamp>1256822640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second using OpenOffice.org to enter equations. I liked to take notes on the computer in classes that had much of any written text in the notes (I took notes in a notebook for calculus, statics/strengths, physics and such that had almost all equations as notes). Since I was an engineering major, just about every class had at least some equations as part of the notes and I could bang out equations pretty easy with the text math symbol input in OpenOffice.org Writer. One other neat trick is to do the Ctrl-Shift-U + Unicode key code or key code + Alt-X shortcut to quickly put Greek symbols in notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second using OpenOffice.org to enter equations .
I liked to take notes on the computer in classes that had much of any written text in the notes ( I took notes in a notebook for calculus , statics/strengths , physics and such that had almost all equations as notes ) .
Since I was an engineering major , just about every class had at least some equations as part of the notes and I could bang out equations pretty easy with the text math symbol input in OpenOffice.org Writer .
One other neat trick is to do the Ctrl-Shift-U + Unicode key code or key code + Alt-X shortcut to quickly put Greek symbols in notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second using OpenOffice.org to enter equations.
I liked to take notes on the computer in classes that had much of any written text in the notes (I took notes in a notebook for calculus, statics/strengths, physics and such that had almost all equations as notes).
Since I was an engineering major, just about every class had at least some equations as part of the notes and I could bang out equations pretty easy with the text math symbol input in OpenOffice.org Writer.
One other neat trick is to do the Ctrl-Shift-U + Unicode key code or key code + Alt-X shortcut to quickly put Greek symbols in notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929247</id>
	<title>Now there's your problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256899200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The equations go in your head, not in your computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The equations go in your head , not in your computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The equations go in your head, not in your computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916277</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>budhaboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256810280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>totally agree.

The best editing software for equations I've ever seen is latex, and I suspect it's still too slow for taking notes in class.

There used to be these crazy pens that could capture notes (and doodles) to image files... But it'd probrably be easier just to scan them later, as it'd give you a chance to review them anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>totally agree .
The best editing software for equations I 've ever seen is latex , and I suspect it 's still too slow for taking notes in class .
There used to be these crazy pens that could capture notes ( and doodles ) to image files... But it 'd probrably be easier just to scan them later , as it 'd give you a chance to review them anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>totally agree.
The best editing software for equations I've ever seen is latex, and I suspect it's still too slow for taking notes in class.
There used to be these crazy pens that could capture notes (and doodles) to image files... But it'd probrably be easier just to scan them later, as it'd give you a chance to review them anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929313</id>
	<title>Get a pogo sketch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256899800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For $14.95 you can get a stylus that will allow you to draw on your macbook trackpad thus turning it into a small tablet (see http://www.tenonedesign.com/sketch.php). Combined with the right software this should work well for entering equations, sketches, etc. It's cheap and requires just a pen that you can shove into your pencil case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For $ 14.95 you can get a stylus that will allow you to draw on your macbook trackpad thus turning it into a small tablet ( see http : //www.tenonedesign.com/sketch.php ) .
Combined with the right software this should work well for entering equations , sketches , etc .
It 's cheap and requires just a pen that you can shove into your pencil case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For $14.95 you can get a stylus that will allow you to draw on your macbook trackpad thus turning it into a small tablet (see http://www.tenonedesign.com/sketch.php).
Combined with the right software this should work well for entering equations, sketches, etc.
It's cheap and requires just a pen that you can shove into your pencil case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916837</id>
	<title>Re:Have you tried MathType?</title>
	<author>DriveDog</author>
	<datestamp>1256812260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who's fairly proficient with MathType (and MS's Equation Editor, which appears to be a wimpy subset of MathType), I would agree that it's far too slow for note-taking. It would help, however, if one is used to using reverse-polish notation (as on an HP12C calculator). I personally hate it, but using MathType effectively demands thinking from inside the parens outward. Ideally, I'd think you'd want a click-and-drag-the-symbol interface with enough smarts behind it to understand what you're assembling. As for me, after looking at the other entries I'm off to check out LyX.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who 's fairly proficient with MathType ( and MS 's Equation Editor , which appears to be a wimpy subset of MathType ) , I would agree that it 's far too slow for note-taking .
It would help , however , if one is used to using reverse-polish notation ( as on an HP12C calculator ) .
I personally hate it , but using MathType effectively demands thinking from inside the parens outward .
Ideally , I 'd think you 'd want a click-and-drag-the-symbol interface with enough smarts behind it to understand what you 're assembling .
As for me , after looking at the other entries I 'm off to check out LyX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who's fairly proficient with MathType (and MS's Equation Editor, which appears to be a wimpy subset of MathType), I would agree that it's far too slow for note-taking.
It would help, however, if one is used to using reverse-polish notation (as on an HP12C calculator).
I personally hate it, but using MathType effectively demands thinking from inside the parens outward.
Ideally, I'd think you'd want a click-and-drag-the-symbol interface with enough smarts behind it to understand what you're assembling.
As for me, after looking at the other entries I'm off to check out LyX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916711</id>
	<title>It's MAGIC!</title>
	<author>dskoll</author>
	<datestamp>1256811840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's this magical invention called a "pencil" that goes well with another magical invention called a "notebook".  Combined, the two will let you keep up with the lecturer.

If, later on, you have the overpowering need to be 1337, you can transcribe the notes at your own pace into your computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's this magical invention called a " pencil " that goes well with another magical invention called a " notebook " .
Combined , the two will let you keep up with the lecturer .
If , later on , you have the overpowering need to be 1337 , you can transcribe the notes at your own pace into your computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's this magical invention called a "pencil" that goes well with another magical invention called a "notebook".
Combined, the two will let you keep up with the lecturer.
If, later on, you have the overpowering need to be 1337, you can transcribe the notes at your own pace into your computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918397</id>
	<title>Learning Styles</title>
	<author>mdmkolbe</author>
	<datestamp>1256820120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forbidding notes is discriminatory against visual learners.  <em>You</em> may not derive much benefit from the process of writing notes if you are primarily an auditory or tactile learner, but that doesn't justify claiming that everyone else would be better off without notes.</p><p>For a visual learner, the process of writing the notes is often more important than whether they are read later.  They are a way to organize ideas or anchor them in memory and are not just a recording device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forbidding notes is discriminatory against visual learners .
You may not derive much benefit from the process of writing notes if you are primarily an auditory or tactile learner , but that does n't justify claiming that everyone else would be better off without notes.For a visual learner , the process of writing the notes is often more important than whether they are read later .
They are a way to organize ideas or anchor them in memory and are not just a recording device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forbidding notes is discriminatory against visual learners.
You may not derive much benefit from the process of writing notes if you are primarily an auditory or tactile learner, but that doesn't justify claiming that everyone else would be better off without notes.For a visual learner, the process of writing the notes is often more important than whether they are read later.
They are a way to organize ideas or anchor them in memory and are not just a recording device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918511</id>
	<title>LaTeX is not slow</title>
	<author>Captain Segfault</author>
	<datestamp>1256820840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can type, right? Unless you use non-keyboard input I'm not sure how you're going to do better than LaTeX for math input.</p><p>If it is slow you are doing something wrong.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)</p></div><p>This is $f\_X(x) = \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x,y)dy$, to a first order approximation that is good enough for notes or even homework. That's fewer characters than your example!</p><p>Obviously, especially if you're a novice, you might not know the commands to do what you want -- but you can always fix up the syntax later.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can type , right ?
Unless you use non-keyboard input I 'm not sure how you 're going to do better than LaTeX for math input.If it is slow you are doing something wrong.f \ _X ( x ) = integral ( -infinity , infinity , f ( x,y ) dy ) This is $ f \ _X ( x ) = \ int \ _ { - \ infty } ^ { \ infty } f ( x,y ) dy $ , to a first order approximation that is good enough for notes or even homework .
That 's fewer characters than your example ! Obviously , especially if you 're a novice , you might not know the commands to do what you want -- but you can always fix up the syntax later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can type, right?
Unless you use non-keyboard input I'm not sure how you're going to do better than LaTeX for math input.If it is slow you are doing something wrong.f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)This is $f\_X(x) = \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x,y)dy$, to a first order approximation that is good enough for notes or even homework.
That's fewer characters than your example!Obviously, especially if you're a novice, you might not know the commands to do what you want -- but you can always fix up the syntax later.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916169</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been an engineer for 30 years and have tried over and over to take digital notes. I have never found an efficient solution. You're right - equations and drawings / sketches make digital note-taking a mess. OCR technology pukes on my handwriting.</p><p>Here is the work flow that I have used for the last 5 years, or so:</p><p>1. Handwritten notes in black pen.<br>2. Scan according to your preference (200 dpi grayscale for me). Save as tiff.<br>3. Import into Paperport.<br>4. Use Paperport's annotation function to add searchable text boxes.</p><p>It sux, but I have about 2,500 pages of notes that I can search by my added keywords, and can back up in case of catastrophe.</p><p>I continuously try to improve this workflow, and Paperport's ability to search on text boxes is unique. Most software needs/wants to OCR and and make a linked text file in order to search.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been an engineer for 30 years and have tried over and over to take digital notes .
I have never found an efficient solution .
You 're right - equations and drawings / sketches make digital note-taking a mess .
OCR technology pukes on my handwriting.Here is the work flow that I have used for the last 5 years , or so : 1 .
Handwritten notes in black pen.2 .
Scan according to your preference ( 200 dpi grayscale for me ) .
Save as tiff.3 .
Import into Paperport.4 .
Use Paperport 's annotation function to add searchable text boxes.It sux , but I have about 2,500 pages of notes that I can search by my added keywords , and can back up in case of catastrophe.I continuously try to improve this workflow , and Paperport 's ability to search on text boxes is unique .
Most software needs/wants to OCR and and make a linked text file in order to search .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been an engineer for 30 years and have tried over and over to take digital notes.
I have never found an efficient solution.
You're right - equations and drawings / sketches make digital note-taking a mess.
OCR technology pukes on my handwriting.Here is the work flow that I have used for the last 5 years, or so:1.
Handwritten notes in black pen.2.
Scan according to your preference (200 dpi grayscale for me).
Save as tiff.3.
Import into Paperport.4.
Use Paperport's annotation function to add searchable text boxes.It sux, but I have about 2,500 pages of notes that I can search by my added keywords, and can back up in case of catastrophe.I continuously try to improve this workflow, and Paperport's ability to search on text boxes is unique.
Most software needs/wants to OCR and and make a linked text file in order to search.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916673</id>
	<title>Pulse Smart Pen</title>
	<author>Roger W Moore</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The pulse smart pen is far better. I tried the Wacom bluetooth tablet but the problem is that you cannot see what you write. If you use the <a href="http://www.smartpencentral.com/" title="smartpencentral.com">Pulse Smartpen</a> [smartpencentral.com] then it acts like a real pen - so you can see exactly what you have written - and as well as recording exactly what you wrote it records audio as well so you end up with a document that you can click on to hear what was being said at the time that you wrote that bit of text.
<br> <br>
The only downside is that it needs special paper which you can buy in notebook form or which you can print yourself using a laser printer. The windows version has some extra software you can buy to perform OCR on your handwriting but since I have a Mac I have no idea how good it is. There is even an open SDK for you to develop your own applications for it but it unfortunately only supports Java.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The pulse smart pen is far better .
I tried the Wacom bluetooth tablet but the problem is that you can not see what you write .
If you use the Pulse Smartpen [ smartpencentral.com ] then it acts like a real pen - so you can see exactly what you have written - and as well as recording exactly what you wrote it records audio as well so you end up with a document that you can click on to hear what was being said at the time that you wrote that bit of text .
The only downside is that it needs special paper which you can buy in notebook form or which you can print yourself using a laser printer .
The windows version has some extra software you can buy to perform OCR on your handwriting but since I have a Mac I have no idea how good it is .
There is even an open SDK for you to develop your own applications for it but it unfortunately only supports Java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The pulse smart pen is far better.
I tried the Wacom bluetooth tablet but the problem is that you cannot see what you write.
If you use the Pulse Smartpen [smartpencentral.com] then it acts like a real pen - so you can see exactly what you have written - and as well as recording exactly what you wrote it records audio as well so you end up with a document that you can click on to hear what was being said at the time that you wrote that bit of text.
The only downside is that it needs special paper which you can buy in notebook form or which you can print yourself using a laser printer.
The windows version has some extra software you can buy to perform OCR on your handwriting but since I have a Mac I have no idea how good it is.
There is even an open SDK for you to develop your own applications for it but it unfortunately only supports Java.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922869</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256912760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right about the outright banning, but I've taken classes where extensive chemical structures were drawn on the board including pathways, where I absolutely had to see them drawn out in logical order with explanations of each step. The only solution for me was to video record the lecture. Not only did it get me to attend every class, but by the end of the semester I had every student asking me for a copy of the recordings to study from. I digitized them all and gave a copy to the professor. He loved them, and provided them to students who missed classes, wanted to learn on their own, or when he was sick and couldn't teach.</p><p>I also found that playing the videos in Quicktime (the old, awesome version 7, not the new crappy X version) would allow me to speed up the playback by up to 2.5x with perfect clarity (3x was usually incomprehensible). I could watch a single lecture almost 3 times in the time it would take me to sit through it once. I never wrote down a single thing, and I learned extremely efficiently. In fact, I found I concentrate much MUCH better at the increased playback rate (reminds me of lawnmower man).</p><p>After that, I began doing this in all of my classes. A minority (one or two) professors had an issue with it, which was really frustrating because it works so well. But, I will never go back to taking notes (I was never very good at it anyway).</p><p>Now I am in medical school, and my school automatically records all their lectures (sometimes there are technical difficulties) and 75\% of the class doesn't even bother to sit through lecture. That works for me, as well, because I commute about an hour each way. It makes everything so much more efficient.</p><p>Every school should do this. Professors should have no choice but to allow it. It should be written into the school's constitution.</p><p>But, sometimes - it's better to ask forgiveness than permission<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) If in doubt, don't get caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right about the outright banning , but I 've taken classes where extensive chemical structures were drawn on the board including pathways , where I absolutely had to see them drawn out in logical order with explanations of each step .
The only solution for me was to video record the lecture .
Not only did it get me to attend every class , but by the end of the semester I had every student asking me for a copy of the recordings to study from .
I digitized them all and gave a copy to the professor .
He loved them , and provided them to students who missed classes , wanted to learn on their own , or when he was sick and could n't teach.I also found that playing the videos in Quicktime ( the old , awesome version 7 , not the new crappy X version ) would allow me to speed up the playback by up to 2.5x with perfect clarity ( 3x was usually incomprehensible ) .
I could watch a single lecture almost 3 times in the time it would take me to sit through it once .
I never wrote down a single thing , and I learned extremely efficiently .
In fact , I found I concentrate much MUCH better at the increased playback rate ( reminds me of lawnmower man ) .After that , I began doing this in all of my classes .
A minority ( one or two ) professors had an issue with it , which was really frustrating because it works so well .
But , I will never go back to taking notes ( I was never very good at it anyway ) .Now I am in medical school , and my school automatically records all their lectures ( sometimes there are technical difficulties ) and 75 \ % of the class does n't even bother to sit through lecture .
That works for me , as well , because I commute about an hour each way .
It makes everything so much more efficient.Every school should do this .
Professors should have no choice but to allow it .
It should be written into the school 's constitution.But , sometimes - it 's better to ask forgiveness than permission ; - ) If in doubt , do n't get caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right about the outright banning, but I've taken classes where extensive chemical structures were drawn on the board including pathways, where I absolutely had to see them drawn out in logical order with explanations of each step.
The only solution for me was to video record the lecture.
Not only did it get me to attend every class, but by the end of the semester I had every student asking me for a copy of the recordings to study from.
I digitized them all and gave a copy to the professor.
He loved them, and provided them to students who missed classes, wanted to learn on their own, or when he was sick and couldn't teach.I also found that playing the videos in Quicktime (the old, awesome version 7, not the new crappy X version) would allow me to speed up the playback by up to 2.5x with perfect clarity (3x was usually incomprehensible).
I could watch a single lecture almost 3 times in the time it would take me to sit through it once.
I never wrote down a single thing, and I learned extremely efficiently.
In fact, I found I concentrate much MUCH better at the increased playback rate (reminds me of lawnmower man).After that, I began doing this in all of my classes.
A minority (one or two) professors had an issue with it, which was really frustrating because it works so well.
But, I will never go back to taking notes (I was never very good at it anyway).Now I am in medical school, and my school automatically records all their lectures (sometimes there are technical difficulties) and 75\% of the class doesn't even bother to sit through lecture.
That works for me, as well, because I commute about an hour each way.
It makes everything so much more efficient.Every school should do this.
Professors should have no choice but to allow it.
It should be written into the school's constitution.But, sometimes - it's better to ask forgiveness than permission ;-) If in doubt, don't get caught.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921297</id>
	<title>Ekee: LaTex equation editor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256935020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may what to have a look at Ekee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may what to have a look at Ekee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may what to have a look at Ekee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918245</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>rahvin112</author>
	<datestamp>1256819160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would drop any class you did that in and ensure that I reward you with a terrible recommendation and report, if I was your dean I would fire you. I learn best by writing what is said, take away my ability to write and I won't learn it all. Your policy is beyond stupid because everyone learns differently. By forcing everyone to learn the way you learn, or the way you believe people should learn, you are guaranteeing that a minority of your classes won't learn anything. You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching because not only is your policy downright discriminatory for those with learning disorders such as dyslexia, but your arrogant belief that you know better demonstrates a superiority complex that's prevalent in higher education and a first order indicator of a bad teacher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would drop any class you did that in and ensure that I reward you with a terrible recommendation and report , if I was your dean I would fire you .
I learn best by writing what is said , take away my ability to write and I wo n't learn it all .
Your policy is beyond stupid because everyone learns differently .
By forcing everyone to learn the way you learn , or the way you believe people should learn , you are guaranteeing that a minority of your classes wo n't learn anything .
You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching because not only is your policy downright discriminatory for those with learning disorders such as dyslexia , but your arrogant belief that you know better demonstrates a superiority complex that 's prevalent in higher education and a first order indicator of a bad teacher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would drop any class you did that in and ensure that I reward you with a terrible recommendation and report, if I was your dean I would fire you.
I learn best by writing what is said, take away my ability to write and I won't learn it all.
Your policy is beyond stupid because everyone learns differently.
By forcing everyone to learn the way you learn, or the way you believe people should learn, you are guaranteeing that a minority of your classes won't learn anything.
You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching because not only is your policy downright discriminatory for those with learning disorders such as dyslexia, but your arrogant belief that you know better demonstrates a superiority complex that's prevalent in higher education and a first order indicator of a bad teacher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915965</id>
	<title>Mathematica</title>
	<author>raybob</author>
	<datestamp>1256809320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.wolfram.com/products/" title="wolfram.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wolfram.com/products/</a> [wolfram.com]</p><p>is a lot of fun to play with, does computation &amp; all kinds of neat tricks in addition to typesetting.</p><p>$139 for the student version, available for the Mac.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.wolfram.com/products/ [ wolfram.com ] is a lot of fun to play with , does computation &amp; all kinds of neat tricks in addition to typesetting. $ 139 for the student version , available for the Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.wolfram.com/products/ [wolfram.com]is a lot of fun to play with, does computation &amp; all kinds of neat tricks in addition to typesetting.$139 for the student version, available for the Mac.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916293</id>
	<title>KISS, just pen and paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's wrong with pen and paper? Why make your life so hard. You still have to write your examination answers using pen and paper right? [ unless you have an online examination ]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's wrong with pen and paper ?
Why make your life so hard .
You still have to write your examination answers using pen and paper right ?
[ unless you have an online examination ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's wrong with pen and paper?
Why make your life so hard.
You still have to write your examination answers using pen and paper right?
[ unless you have an online examination ]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929403</id>
	<title>1980 is calling</title>
	<author>incubbus13</author>
	<datestamp>1256900460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am baffled by the number of people saying, "Just use pen and paper that's the best way for me." How is that an answer to the question? "We don't need none of that there change stuff. If dinosaurs were good enough for Jesus to ride to pre-school then they're good enough for those people younger than me."</p><p>It sounds to me like a simple keyboard map would solve a lot of your problems. Map your F-keys (function) to various...functions. I can think of a couple of ways to do it off the top of my head, but a customized software solution shouldn't be too incredibly hard either. Just requires a text entry field, some math-specific formatting of the text, and the ability to hold down shift or control or iKey or something to define when you're typing 'special' pre/custom-defined characters.</p><p>K.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am baffled by the number of people saying , " Just use pen and paper that 's the best way for me .
" How is that an answer to the question ?
" We do n't need none of that there change stuff .
If dinosaurs were good enough for Jesus to ride to pre-school then they 're good enough for those people younger than me .
" It sounds to me like a simple keyboard map would solve a lot of your problems .
Map your F-keys ( function ) to various...functions .
I can think of a couple of ways to do it off the top of my head , but a customized software solution should n't be too incredibly hard either .
Just requires a text entry field , some math-specific formatting of the text , and the ability to hold down shift or control or iKey or something to define when you 're typing 'special ' pre/custom-defined characters.K .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am baffled by the number of people saying, "Just use pen and paper that's the best way for me.
" How is that an answer to the question?
"We don't need none of that there change stuff.
If dinosaurs were good enough for Jesus to ride to pre-school then they're good enough for those people younger than me.
"It sounds to me like a simple keyboard map would solve a lot of your problems.
Map your F-keys (function) to various...functions.
I can think of a couple of ways to do it off the top of my head, but a customized software solution shouldn't be too incredibly hard either.
Just requires a text entry field, some math-specific formatting of the text, and the ability to hold down shift or control or iKey or something to define when you're typing 'special' pre/custom-defined characters.K.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919253</id>
	<title>I was going to suggest...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pearson's TestGen which has a really sweet equation editor, inline and live in the document...<br>Except that it's strictly point and click, no keyboard shortcuts. I would like to think they'd have the sense to publish a document editor based on the same technology... it appears my waiting has been in vain.</p><p>But, MathType is actually available to purchase by real people and does a perfectly good job. I prefer TestGen in most other respects, but that probably has more to do with use time than objective analysis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pearson 's TestGen which has a really sweet equation editor , inline and live in the document...Except that it 's strictly point and click , no keyboard shortcuts .
I would like to think they 'd have the sense to publish a document editor based on the same technology... it appears my waiting has been in vain.But , MathType is actually available to purchase by real people and does a perfectly good job .
I prefer TestGen in most other respects , but that probably has more to do with use time than objective analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pearson's TestGen which has a really sweet equation editor, inline and live in the document...Except that it's strictly point and click, no keyboard shortcuts.
I would like to think they'd have the sense to publish a document editor based on the same technology... it appears my waiting has been in vain.But, MathType is actually available to purchase by real people and does a perfectly good job.
I prefer TestGen in most other respects, but that probably has more to do with use time than objective analysis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917991</id>
	<title>Re:raw LaTeX is fine</title>
	<author>Cedric Tsui</author>
	<datestamp>1256817420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really?
Without a WYSIWYG system, I'm helpless.

LaTeX is nice for typesetting. But when you're racing against the professor scrawling across the blackboard, you don't want to have to compile to double check if you wrote that last line correctly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Without a WYSIWYG system , I 'm helpless .
LaTeX is nice for typesetting .
But when you 're racing against the professor scrawling across the blackboard , you do n't want to have to compile to double check if you wrote that last line correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Without a WYSIWYG system, I'm helpless.
LaTeX is nice for typesetting.
But when you're racing against the professor scrawling across the blackboard, you don't want to have to compile to double check if you wrote that last line correctly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916917</id>
	<title>Searchable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of you who are recommending plain paper are missing a very important point: The ability to search through digital data (in stark contrast to analog).</p><p>Pen and Paper is fine in multiple categories: cheap, easy, your free to do whatever you want. (And it has this nice, satisfying feature that you can rip it to pieces and smash it against a wall without destroying expensive and fancy techology) Worked fine for me till now (I, myself, study mathematics)</p><p>But it has one very major flaw: You can't just type CTRL+F on your trusty college book. Which would be kind of a dealbreaker if there were ANY alternative which could match it in adaptability. My professors tend to write some quite fancy symbols once in a while, I just can't imagine how any handwriting-recognition-software could handle this. So it's paper for now. But I'm sure I could save many workhours if I could easily search through my writings in a digital fashion...</p><p>Some very geeky students manage to type along with LaTeX, one of them uses an 7" netbook and I admire him deeply for it... and I even know one who does it in MSWORD (he has memorized most of the ASCII-Codes for certain symbols... admiration is somewhat lesser in this case...), but they hardly keep up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of you who are recommending plain paper are missing a very important point : The ability to search through digital data ( in stark contrast to analog ) .Pen and Paper is fine in multiple categories : cheap , easy , your free to do whatever you want .
( And it has this nice , satisfying feature that you can rip it to pieces and smash it against a wall without destroying expensive and fancy techology ) Worked fine for me till now ( I , myself , study mathematics ) But it has one very major flaw : You ca n't just type CTRL + F on your trusty college book .
Which would be kind of a dealbreaker if there were ANY alternative which could match it in adaptability .
My professors tend to write some quite fancy symbols once in a while , I just ca n't imagine how any handwriting-recognition-software could handle this .
So it 's paper for now .
But I 'm sure I could save many workhours if I could easily search through my writings in a digital fashion...Some very geeky students manage to type along with LaTeX , one of them uses an 7 " netbook and I admire him deeply for it... and I even know one who does it in MSWORD ( he has memorized most of the ASCII-Codes for certain symbols... admiration is somewhat lesser in this case... ) , but they hardly keep up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of you who are recommending plain paper are missing a very important point: The ability to search through digital data (in stark contrast to analog).Pen and Paper is fine in multiple categories: cheap, easy, your free to do whatever you want.
(And it has this nice, satisfying feature that you can rip it to pieces and smash it against a wall without destroying expensive and fancy techology) Worked fine for me till now (I, myself, study mathematics)But it has one very major flaw: You can't just type CTRL+F on your trusty college book.
Which would be kind of a dealbreaker if there were ANY alternative which could match it in adaptability.
My professors tend to write some quite fancy symbols once in a while, I just can't imagine how any handwriting-recognition-software could handle this.
So it's paper for now.
But I'm sure I could save many workhours if I could easily search through my writings in a digital fashion...Some very geeky students manage to type along with LaTeX, one of them uses an 7" netbook and I admire him deeply for it... and I even know one who does it in MSWORD (he has memorized most of the ASCII-Codes for certain symbols... admiration is somewhat lesser in this case...), but they hardly keep up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919639</id>
	<title>EXP 6.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're using Windows, try EXP 6.0: <a href="http://www.expswp.com/" title="expswp.com" rel="nofollow">EXP 6.0</a> [expswp.com]</p><p>It's the best mathematical editor that I've ever used, bar none.  The shortcuts are easy to remember, the buttons and toolbars are intuitive, the tab stops are just right, and it looks exactly like you would expect when printed.  I like the word processing features available with it too, like paragraph spacing and pagination.  This is how Word's equation editor SHOULD have been built.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're using Windows , try EXP 6.0 : EXP 6.0 [ expswp.com ] It 's the best mathematical editor that I 've ever used , bar none .
The shortcuts are easy to remember , the buttons and toolbars are intuitive , the tab stops are just right , and it looks exactly like you would expect when printed .
I like the word processing features available with it too , like paragraph spacing and pagination .
This is how Word 's equation editor SHOULD have been built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're using Windows, try EXP 6.0: EXP 6.0 [expswp.com]It's the best mathematical editor that I've ever used, bar none.
The shortcuts are easy to remember, the buttons and toolbars are intuitive, the tab stops are just right, and it looks exactly like you would expect when printed.
I like the word processing features available with it too, like paragraph spacing and pagination.
This is how Word's equation editor SHOULD have been built.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924551</id>
	<title>Not A Problem For My Students</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a math professor who actually uses the SmartBoard in my room, so my students don't have this problem...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a math professor who actually uses the SmartBoard in my room , so my students do n't have this problem.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a math professor who actually uses the SmartBoard in my room, so my students don't have this problem...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29931201</id>
	<title>EMACS, AucTeX, and latex-math-mode, \newcommand</title>
	<author>linuxtuba</author>
	<datestamp>1256913120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Learn Emacs<br>2) Learn the AucTeX shortcuts<br>3) AucTeX has a mode called latex-math-mode. This gives you quick shortcuts for entering the Greek letters and some common set notation<br>4) Create your own Emacs macros<br>5) Create your own LaTeX commands</p><p>For example:<br>\newcommand\probspace{(\Omega, \mathcal{F}, \mathbb{P})}<br>will be helpful if you are taking notes in probability.</p><p>I have used this combination of tools and I can take notes in real-time in most math classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Learn Emacs2 ) Learn the AucTeX shortcuts3 ) AucTeX has a mode called latex-math-mode .
This gives you quick shortcuts for entering the Greek letters and some common set notation4 ) Create your own Emacs macros5 ) Create your own LaTeX commandsFor example : \ newcommand \ probspace { ( \ Omega , \ mathcal { F } , \ mathbb { P } ) } will be helpful if you are taking notes in probability.I have used this combination of tools and I can take notes in real-time in most math classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Learn Emacs2) Learn the AucTeX shortcuts3) AucTeX has a mode called latex-math-mode.
This gives you quick shortcuts for entering the Greek letters and some common set notation4) Create your own Emacs macros5) Create your own LaTeX commandsFor example:\newcommand\probspace{(\Omega, \mathcal{F}, \mathbb{P})}will be helpful if you are taking notes in probability.I have used this combination of tools and I can take notes in real-time in most math classes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916509</id>
	<title>Nokia handwriting calculator</title>
	<author>Longstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1256811060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/handwriting-calculator" title="nokia.com">Nokia's handwriting calculator</a> [nokia.com] running on an N810 or the upcoming N900. Add in a bluetooth keyboard if you want something full size to type on...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia 's handwriting calculator [ nokia.com ] running on an N810 or the upcoming N900 .
Add in a bluetooth keyboard if you want something full size to type on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia's handwriting calculator [nokia.com] running on an N810 or the upcoming N900.
Add in a bluetooth keyboard if you want something full size to type on...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917729</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256815920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I knew why this was funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I knew why this was funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I knew why this was funny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920367</id>
	<title>You can't be the only one. Team up!</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1256834580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm in a biochemical engineering class where we need to write text notes as well as a large number of equations with an abundance of symbols, all from quickly vanishing slides.

I type the text on my laptop and leave references for the equations. My friend writes only the equations -- by hand. I borrow her notes, fill in the equations in my own time, and send her a copy. Now both of us have neatly typed notes with nothing missing, all achieved using nothing more sophisticated than MS Equation Editor, a pencil, and cooperation.

It works, and the learning curve is flat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in a biochemical engineering class where we need to write text notes as well as a large number of equations with an abundance of symbols , all from quickly vanishing slides .
I type the text on my laptop and leave references for the equations .
My friend writes only the equations -- by hand .
I borrow her notes , fill in the equations in my own time , and send her a copy .
Now both of us have neatly typed notes with nothing missing , all achieved using nothing more sophisticated than MS Equation Editor , a pencil , and cooperation .
It works , and the learning curve is flat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in a biochemical engineering class where we need to write text notes as well as a large number of equations with an abundance of symbols, all from quickly vanishing slides.
I type the text on my laptop and leave references for the equations.
My friend writes only the equations -- by hand.
I borrow her notes, fill in the equations in my own time, and send her a copy.
Now both of us have neatly typed notes with nothing missing, all achieved using nothing more sophisticated than MS Equation Editor, a pencil, and cooperation.
It works, and the learning curve is flat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921347</id>
	<title>GO TO CLASS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256936100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. go to class<br>2. find a friend with good notes<br>3. copy those notes as best as you can<br>4. ?????<br>5. profit!</p><p>6. get good grades! (and stop whining! do ur frickin homework! we'd all love an easy way out!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1. go to class2 .
find a friend with good notes3 .
copy those notes as best as you can4 .
? ? ? ? ? 5. profit ! 6 .
get good grades !
( and stop whining !
do ur frickin homework !
we 'd all love an easy way out !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. go to class2.
find a friend with good notes3.
copy those notes as best as you can4.
?????5. profit!6.
get good grades!
(and stop whining!
do ur frickin homework!
we'd all love an easy way out!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916013</id>
	<title>One Option</title>
	<author>thePsychologist</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pencil and paper.</p><p>Forget the computer for mathematics classes. You will never get as fast with any sort of computer technology as you will with paper. If you want to jot down a quick calculation, or more importantly, draw a diagram, paper and pencil are painless and easy, and as a result you'll spend more time focusing on what's really important: what the professor is saying and doing on the board.</p><p>I'm a math major just graduated and taking graduate courses in mathematics currently so I've had much experience here. I've tried to take notes with a computer. I am very quick with LaTeX. You can even define your own macros specific to what the professor is likely to write and even then I think a computer for taking notes in a math course is useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pencil and paper.Forget the computer for mathematics classes .
You will never get as fast with any sort of computer technology as you will with paper .
If you want to jot down a quick calculation , or more importantly , draw a diagram , paper and pencil are painless and easy , and as a result you 'll spend more time focusing on what 's really important : what the professor is saying and doing on the board.I 'm a math major just graduated and taking graduate courses in mathematics currently so I 've had much experience here .
I 've tried to take notes with a computer .
I am very quick with LaTeX .
You can even define your own macros specific to what the professor is likely to write and even then I think a computer for taking notes in a math course is useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pencil and paper.Forget the computer for mathematics classes.
You will never get as fast with any sort of computer technology as you will with paper.
If you want to jot down a quick calculation, or more importantly, draw a diagram, paper and pencil are painless and easy, and as a result you'll spend more time focusing on what's really important: what the professor is saying and doing on the board.I'm a math major just graduated and taking graduate courses in mathematics currently so I've had much experience here.
I've tried to take notes with a computer.
I am very quick with LaTeX.
You can even define your own macros specific to what the professor is likely to write and even then I think a computer for taking notes in a math course is useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922911</id>
	<title>Pen?</title>
	<author>cjb110</author>
	<datestamp>1256913000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pen and Paper? seems best.</p><p>But to stay relevant:</p><p>A scanner?  a handheld one would probly do.</p><p>A A6 graphics tablet?</p><p>Or the expensive option, one of those digital pens? that stores your scribbles in the memory for transfering later?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pen and Paper ?
seems best.But to stay relevant : A scanner ?
a handheld one would probly do.A A6 graphics tablet ? Or the expensive option , one of those digital pens ?
that stores your scribbles in the memory for transfering later ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pen and Paper?
seems best.But to stay relevant:A scanner?
a handheld one would probly do.A A6 graphics tablet?Or the expensive option, one of those digital pens?
that stores your scribbles in the memory for transfering later?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916845</id>
	<title>The old fashioned way ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You already have a textbook for most of your classes. Either take paper-written notes and turn it into LaTeX at home, or find a way to record the lecture (ideal) and just pay attention. I would just pay attention mostly, and then perhaps browse the MIT Open Courseware for recordings of similar classes. What you do not want to do is try to type your eqns very fast - you will screw up. Speed is not to your advantage here. Also, there is this supposedly amazing pen / recording device on the market. Get yourself one of those too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Taking notes almost never helped me, other than by keeping me awake during class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You already have a textbook for most of your classes .
Either take paper-written notes and turn it into LaTeX at home , or find a way to record the lecture ( ideal ) and just pay attention .
I would just pay attention mostly , and then perhaps browse the MIT Open Courseware for recordings of similar classes .
What you do not want to do is try to type your eqns very fast - you will screw up .
Speed is not to your advantage here .
Also , there is this supposedly amazing pen / recording device on the market .
Get yourself one of those too ... Taking notes almost never helped me , other than by keeping me awake during class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You already have a textbook for most of your classes.
Either take paper-written notes and turn it into LaTeX at home, or find a way to record the lecture (ideal) and just pay attention.
I would just pay attention mostly, and then perhaps browse the MIT Open Courseware for recordings of similar classes.
What you do not want to do is try to type your eqns very fast - you will screw up.
Speed is not to your advantage here.
Also, there is this supposedly amazing pen / recording device on the market.
Get yourself one of those too ... Taking notes almost never helped me, other than by keeping me awake during class.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922075</id>
	<title>Dude, just break down and get a scanner</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1256904720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For taking notes in higher math classes, you've really got to use a pencil and paper.  Nothing else is going to let you write complex math notation fast enough, especially when you start getting into modern algebra and using symbols you've never seen on a computer before.  (Most of them are technically available in Unicode, but you don't have time to go hunting for obscure codepoints during class.)<br><br>Write on paper with a pencil, and then scan your notes onto the computer after class.  File the paper copies in a folder until the next time you update your backups; then you can toss them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For taking notes in higher math classes , you 've really got to use a pencil and paper .
Nothing else is going to let you write complex math notation fast enough , especially when you start getting into modern algebra and using symbols you 've never seen on a computer before .
( Most of them are technically available in Unicode , but you do n't have time to go hunting for obscure codepoints during class .
) Write on paper with a pencil , and then scan your notes onto the computer after class .
File the paper copies in a folder until the next time you update your backups ; then you can toss them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For taking notes in higher math classes, you've really got to use a pencil and paper.
Nothing else is going to let you write complex math notation fast enough, especially when you start getting into modern algebra and using symbols you've never seen on a computer before.
(Most of them are technically available in Unicode, but you don't have time to go hunting for obscure codepoints during class.
)Write on paper with a pencil, and then scan your notes onto the computer after class.
File the paper copies in a folder until the next time you update your backups; then you can toss them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917185</id>
	<title>if you're on a mac...</title>
	<author>circusboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256813580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It comes with graphing calculator.  which would seem to be tailor made for what you're trying to do...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It comes with graphing calculator .
which would seem to be tailor made for what you 're trying to do.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It comes with graphing calculator.
which would seem to be tailor made for what you're trying to do...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922141</id>
	<title>earth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take photos of professor blackboard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take photos of professor blackboard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take photos of professor blackboard</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922491</id>
	<title>Best tool for the job...</title>
	<author>MikeV</author>
	<datestamp>1256910180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want speed of note-taking and your computer just doesn't hack it - then it's not the tool for the job. Paper and pencil is. Take your notes with that, then transcribe them to the computer at your convenience. Really, have we gone so far that we're beyond actually writing by pencil anymore?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want speed of note-taking and your computer just does n't hack it - then it 's not the tool for the job .
Paper and pencil is .
Take your notes with that , then transcribe them to the computer at your convenience .
Really , have we gone so far that we 're beyond actually writing by pencil anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want speed of note-taking and your computer just doesn't hack it - then it's not the tool for the job.
Paper and pencil is.
Take your notes with that, then transcribe them to the computer at your convenience.
Really, have we gone so far that we're beyond actually writing by pencil anymore?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919099</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256823900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That appears to be an integral from +infinity to +infinity. TeX is a wonderful thing, but it only takes a couple typos to make notes incomprehensible. Better to stick with something as easy as possible (handwriting), and devote as much of your attention as you can to actually learning during lecture, because notes written when you don't know what's going on are usually not worth a damn.</p><p>2c from someone who just completed their own PhD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That appears to be an integral from + infinity to + infinity .
TeX is a wonderful thing , but it only takes a couple typos to make notes incomprehensible .
Better to stick with something as easy as possible ( handwriting ) , and devote as much of your attention as you can to actually learning during lecture , because notes written when you do n't know what 's going on are usually not worth a damn.2c from someone who just completed their own PhD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That appears to be an integral from +infinity to +infinity.
TeX is a wonderful thing, but it only takes a couple typos to make notes incomprehensible.
Better to stick with something as easy as possible (handwriting), and devote as much of your attention as you can to actually learning during lecture, because notes written when you don't know what's going on are usually not worth a damn.2c from someone who just completed their own PhD.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916763</id>
	<title>Re:Take a picture, it'll last longer.</title>
	<author>callinyouin</author>
	<datestamp>1256811960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, take a picture of the board/screen/whatever, and import the image in to your notes.</p></div><p>I could easily see this irritating most professors to no end.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , take a picture of the board/screen/whatever , and import the image in to your notes.I could easily see this irritating most professors to no end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, take a picture of the board/screen/whatever, and import the image in to your notes.I could easily see this irritating most professors to no end.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916609</id>
	<title>Key mapping</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi there, I faced the same problem back in 2004 when I was taking a preparatory Maths class for the the EPFL in switzerland. The way I managed to solve the problem was by using two amazing features of the Mac OS operating system, the character palette and key binding. I set up my system so that when I was typing in word or pages or whatever else, I could use letter keys with symbols to give me access to the most common symbols. Once I had the 24 most current ones mapped to the letters with modifier keys I could then also use the autoreplace system to use short key codes and replace them with the desired symbols. The only difficulty is that I ended up writing a lot of brackets to deal with fractions. I hope that this helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi there , I faced the same problem back in 2004 when I was taking a preparatory Maths class for the the EPFL in switzerland .
The way I managed to solve the problem was by using two amazing features of the Mac OS operating system , the character palette and key binding .
I set up my system so that when I was typing in word or pages or whatever else , I could use letter keys with symbols to give me access to the most common symbols .
Once I had the 24 most current ones mapped to the letters with modifier keys I could then also use the autoreplace system to use short key codes and replace them with the desired symbols .
The only difficulty is that I ended up writing a lot of brackets to deal with fractions .
I hope that this helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi there, I faced the same problem back in 2004 when I was taking a preparatory Maths class for the the EPFL in switzerland.
The way I managed to solve the problem was by using two amazing features of the Mac OS operating system, the character palette and key binding.
I set up my system so that when I was typing in word or pages or whatever else, I could use letter keys with symbols to give me access to the most common symbols.
Once I had the 24 most current ones mapped to the letters with modifier keys I could then also use the autoreplace system to use short key codes and replace them with the desired symbols.
The only difficulty is that I ended up writing a lot of brackets to deal with fractions.
I hope that this helps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920101</id>
	<title>LaTeXiT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a wonderful mac program called LaTeXiT. It basically lets you type latex directly into a very small editor. The results are compiled and displayed in another window and you can drag the result into your favourite notetaking program.</p><p>It's pretty neat.</p><p>That said, in a lecture, I still prefer my pen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a wonderful mac program called LaTeXiT .
It basically lets you type latex directly into a very small editor .
The results are compiled and displayed in another window and you can drag the result into your favourite notetaking program.It 's pretty neat.That said , in a lecture , I still prefer my pen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a wonderful mac program called LaTeXiT.
It basically lets you type latex directly into a very small editor.
The results are compiled and displayed in another window and you can drag the result into your favourite notetaking program.It's pretty neat.That said, in a lecture, I still prefer my pen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917143</id>
	<title>paper</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1256813460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could write a little script that lets you write LaTeX equations but leave out the backslashes.  I don't think you're going to get anything much faster than that for computer input.</p><p>You could write them down on paper and then scan them or typeset them later...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could write a little script that lets you write LaTeX equations but leave out the backslashes .
I do n't think you 're going to get anything much faster than that for computer input.You could write them down on paper and then scan them or typeset them later.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could write a little script that lets you write LaTeX equations but leave out the backslashes.
I don't think you're going to get anything much faster than that for computer input.You could write them down on paper and then scan them or typeset them later...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916525</id>
	<title>take a picture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  Whip out the digicam and take a picture of the blackboard/whiteboard/projector screen.  I was in a class once where a student did that and mailed the pictures out to the entire class every night.  The professor loved it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Whip out the digicam and take a picture of the blackboard/whiteboard/projector screen .
I was in a class once where a student did that and mailed the pictures out to the entire class every night .
The professor loved it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Whip out the digicam and take a picture of the blackboard/whiteboard/projector screen.
I was in a class once where a student did that and mailed the pictures out to the entire class every night.
The professor loved it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917745</id>
	<title>Definitely MathCAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256816040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use this daily now, wish I knew about it in college. It allows equations to be put in very quickly and has the added benefit of being "live", which means it can actually perform the calculations. From an engineers point of view the best feature is it's ability to work with units.</p><p>In terms of speed everything has a shortcut assigned and the equation appears as you type it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use this daily now , wish I knew about it in college .
It allows equations to be put in very quickly and has the added benefit of being " live " , which means it can actually perform the calculations .
From an engineers point of view the best feature is it 's ability to work with units.In terms of speed everything has a shortcut assigned and the equation appears as you type it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use this daily now, wish I knew about it in college.
It allows equations to be put in very quickly and has the added benefit of being "live", which means it can actually perform the calculations.
From an engineers point of view the best feature is it's ability to work with units.In terms of speed everything has a shortcut assigned and the equation appears as you type it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916017</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916135</id>
	<title>Options</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wanted to add my two cents.  (For what its worth, I'm a math professor.)</p><p>1.  Pencil and paper + digitization</p><p>This is probably the fastest, but it does take paper and even after you digitize you may not be able to search your notes unless your handwriting is ocr compatible.</p><p>2.  Tablet</p><p>I've seen a number of students take this approach.  Its almost as fast as pen an paper (if not equally fast) and you dont have to scan.  The nice tablets have built in character recognition so you can search your notes.  On the other hand, you have to worry about battery life and whatnot.</p><p>3.  Text editor</p><p>IMHO this just doesn't work.  I type latex about as fast as anyone I know and I couldn't keep up with even a moderately paced lecture.  I don't think picking a particular editor is going to help.  It can't be that selecting \alpha from a toolbar is faster than typing it.</p><p>4.  Magic</p><p>It would be really neat if there was some program out there that could scan equations (either taken from a digitized pen/paper job or a tablet) and turn them into latex.  Its even possible that there is, although I've never heard of it.  If so, and if it works, then this is clearly the best option, but it sounds like magic to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wanted to add my two cents .
( For what its worth , I 'm a math professor. ) 1 .
Pencil and paper + digitizationThis is probably the fastest , but it does take paper and even after you digitize you may not be able to search your notes unless your handwriting is ocr compatible.2 .
TabletI 've seen a number of students take this approach .
Its almost as fast as pen an paper ( if not equally fast ) and you dont have to scan .
The nice tablets have built in character recognition so you can search your notes .
On the other hand , you have to worry about battery life and whatnot.3 .
Text editorIMHO this just does n't work .
I type latex about as fast as anyone I know and I could n't keep up with even a moderately paced lecture .
I do n't think picking a particular editor is going to help .
It ca n't be that selecting \ alpha from a toolbar is faster than typing it.4 .
MagicIt would be really neat if there was some program out there that could scan equations ( either taken from a digitized pen/paper job or a tablet ) and turn them into latex .
Its even possible that there is , although I 've never heard of it .
If so , and if it works , then this is clearly the best option , but it sounds like magic to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wanted to add my two cents.
(For what its worth, I'm a math professor.)1.
Pencil and paper + digitizationThis is probably the fastest, but it does take paper and even after you digitize you may not be able to search your notes unless your handwriting is ocr compatible.2.
TabletI've seen a number of students take this approach.
Its almost as fast as pen an paper (if not equally fast) and you dont have to scan.
The nice tablets have built in character recognition so you can search your notes.
On the other hand, you have to worry about battery life and whatnot.3.
Text editorIMHO this just doesn't work.
I type latex about as fast as anyone I know and I couldn't keep up with even a moderately paced lecture.
I don't think picking a particular editor is going to help.
It can't be that selecting \alpha from a toolbar is faster than typing it.4.
MagicIt would be really neat if there was some program out there that could scan equations (either taken from a digitized pen/paper job or a tablet) and turn them into latex.
Its even possible that there is, although I've never heard of it.
If so, and if it works, then this is clearly the best option, but it sounds like magic to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916375</id>
	<title>texing is the only way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a math grad student. I, and several of my fellow students do live texing. Anything else is just plain clunky, and is designed for idiots who can't handle a moderate learning curve. LaTeX is the only way any serious mathematician types up mathematics in any context.</p><p>Here is some advice on live texing from a fellow grad student:<br><a href="http://math.berkeley.edu/~anton/index.php?m1=me&amp;m2=TeXadvice" title="berkeley.edu" rel="nofollow">http://math.berkeley.edu/~anton/index.php?m1=me&amp;m2=TeXadvice</a> [berkeley.edu]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a math grad student .
I , and several of my fellow students do live texing .
Anything else is just plain clunky , and is designed for idiots who ca n't handle a moderate learning curve .
LaTeX is the only way any serious mathematician types up mathematics in any context.Here is some advice on live texing from a fellow grad student : http : //math.berkeley.edu/ ~ anton/index.php ? m1 = me&amp;m2 = TeXadvice [ berkeley.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a math grad student.
I, and several of my fellow students do live texing.
Anything else is just plain clunky, and is designed for idiots who can't handle a moderate learning curve.
LaTeX is the only way any serious mathematician types up mathematics in any context.Here is some advice on live texing from a fellow grad student:http://math.berkeley.edu/~anton/index.php?m1=me&amp;m2=TeXadvice [berkeley.edu]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924355</id>
	<title>Low Tech Solution, High Tech Platform.</title>
	<author>kalalau\_kane</author>
	<datestamp>1256920020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>During pre-historic times, I would just copy the instructors chalkboard scrawl into my (paper) notebook.  It was fast and efficient.  Why re-invent the process with purpose built software.  Use a touch screen netbook (i.e. Dell Latitude 2100) -- Just open a graphics editor and draw the equation in free hand on the touch screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>During pre-historic times , I would just copy the instructors chalkboard scrawl into my ( paper ) notebook .
It was fast and efficient .
Why re-invent the process with purpose built software .
Use a touch screen netbook ( i.e .
Dell Latitude 2100 ) -- Just open a graphics editor and draw the equation in free hand on the touch screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During pre-historic times, I would just copy the instructors chalkboard scrawl into my (paper) notebook.
It was fast and efficient.
Why re-invent the process with purpose built software.
Use a touch screen netbook (i.e.
Dell Latitude 2100) -- Just open a graphics editor and draw the equation in free hand on the touch screen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917951</id>
	<title>Re:Have you tried MathType?</title>
	<author>Cedric Tsui</author>
	<datestamp>1256817120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second mathtype. It is VERY similar to Microsoft equation editor, but the interface is much smoother.
The menues are intuitive and expandable. Best of all, mousing over any symbol displays the shortcut keys in the status bar, so once you find the symbol you need, you can add it quickly.
You only need the mouse if you don't already know the shortcut keys. My hands don't come off the keyboard when I use it.
copy-paste works very well, and you can even save any size of hilighted section to their own menubar location and add shortcut keys to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second mathtype .
It is VERY similar to Microsoft equation editor , but the interface is much smoother .
The menues are intuitive and expandable .
Best of all , mousing over any symbol displays the shortcut keys in the status bar , so once you find the symbol you need , you can add it quickly .
You only need the mouse if you do n't already know the shortcut keys .
My hands do n't come off the keyboard when I use it .
copy-paste works very well , and you can even save any size of hilighted section to their own menubar location and add shortcut keys to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second mathtype.
It is VERY similar to Microsoft equation editor, but the interface is much smoother.
The menues are intuitive and expandable.
Best of all, mousing over any symbol displays the shortcut keys in the status bar, so once you find the symbol you need, you can add it quickly.
You only need the mouse if you don't already know the shortcut keys.
My hands don't come off the keyboard when I use it.
copy-paste works very well, and you can even save any size of hilighted section to their own menubar location and add shortcut keys to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916531</id>
	<title>TeXmacs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used <a href="http://www.texmacs.org/" title="texmacs.org" rel="nofollow">TeXmacs</a> [texmacs.org] (on Linux) to take notes in all of my classes, and it was great for all of my subjects.  My math notes were perfect, and I could convert them to PDF for emailing to classmates, but the only downside was that I never worked out how to input graphs (I could never sketch them in handwritten notes, anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used TeXmacs [ texmacs.org ] ( on Linux ) to take notes in all of my classes , and it was great for all of my subjects .
My math notes were perfect , and I could convert them to PDF for emailing to classmates , but the only downside was that I never worked out how to input graphs ( I could never sketch them in handwritten notes , anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used TeXmacs [texmacs.org] (on Linux) to take notes in all of my classes, and it was great for all of my subjects.
My math notes were perfect, and I could convert them to PDF for emailing to classmates, but the only downside was that I never worked out how to input graphs (I could never sketch them in handwritten notes, anyway).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915981</id>
	<title>TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>Florian Weimer</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)</i></p><p>Just type <tt>$$f\_X(x) = \int\_\infty^\infty f(x,y) dy$$</tt> instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>f \ _X ( x ) = integral ( -infinity , infinity , f ( x,y ) dy ) Just type $ $ f \ _X ( x ) = \ int \ _ \ infty ^ \ infty f ( x,y ) dy $ $ instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)Just type $$f\_X(x) = \int\_\infty^\infty f(x,y) dy$$ instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916333</id>
	<title>LaTeX</title>
	<author>patrickthbold</author>
	<datestamp>1256810460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously pencil and paper is what everyone does, and for good reason.  But if you really need your notes typeset and you don't have any time to do it after class, you should just use LaTeX.  You can set up some macros for some commonly used things.  You just need to be able to type fast an acurately.

You said that LaTeX is too slow, but really you are just slow at typing in LaTeX.  Practice and you should be able to get your speed up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously pencil and paper is what everyone does , and for good reason .
But if you really need your notes typeset and you do n't have any time to do it after class , you should just use LaTeX .
You can set up some macros for some commonly used things .
You just need to be able to type fast an acurately .
You said that LaTeX is too slow , but really you are just slow at typing in LaTeX .
Practice and you should be able to get your speed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously pencil and paper is what everyone does, and for good reason.
But if you really need your notes typeset and you don't have any time to do it after class, you should just use LaTeX.
You can set up some macros for some commonly used things.
You just need to be able to type fast an acurately.
You said that LaTeX is too slow, but really you are just slow at typing in LaTeX.
Practice and you should be able to get your speed up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916451</id>
	<title>Jot it on paper and take a shot with the webcam</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1256810820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I'd do:</p><p>During the class, insert an identifier in the document, like [a], and write the equation on 3x5 (or smaller) blank index card, using corresponding identifier. At the end of the class, take a snapshot of each of the cards and insert them into the document. If you write with a sharpie, it will be crystal clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I 'd do : During the class , insert an identifier in the document , like [ a ] , and write the equation on 3x5 ( or smaller ) blank index card , using corresponding identifier .
At the end of the class , take a snapshot of each of the cards and insert them into the document .
If you write with a sharpie , it will be crystal clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I'd do:During the class, insert an identifier in the document, like [a], and write the equation on 3x5 (or smaller) blank index card, using corresponding identifier.
At the end of the class, take a snapshot of each of the cards and insert them into the document.
If you write with a sharpie, it will be crystal clear.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919555</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. It sounds like the OP needs to take some education classes. Learning styles vary. A great challenge that teachers face is that in any given class there will be a variety of represented learning styles, most of which are not the same of the teacher's. Aural learners are perhaps the easiest to reach - you just have to talk at them (or with them, for choice), but that leaves all of the visual and kinesthetic learners out in the cold.</p><p>Yes, it is frequently the case that students will mindlessly copy whatever you put in front of them and what you say just flows in one ear and out the other and the notes are useless because they have no context. But that has more to do with poor note taking skills then much else. It is important for students (and even post-students) to figure out how they learn so they can develop good practices. It is also important for teachers to be sensitive to how their students learn (and it will change in every classroom) so they can adjust to the students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
It sounds like the OP needs to take some education classes .
Learning styles vary .
A great challenge that teachers face is that in any given class there will be a variety of represented learning styles , most of which are not the same of the teacher 's .
Aural learners are perhaps the easiest to reach - you just have to talk at them ( or with them , for choice ) , but that leaves all of the visual and kinesthetic learners out in the cold.Yes , it is frequently the case that students will mindlessly copy whatever you put in front of them and what you say just flows in one ear and out the other and the notes are useless because they have no context .
But that has more to do with poor note taking skills then much else .
It is important for students ( and even post-students ) to figure out how they learn so they can develop good practices .
It is also important for teachers to be sensitive to how their students learn ( and it will change in every classroom ) so they can adjust to the students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
It sounds like the OP needs to take some education classes.
Learning styles vary.
A great challenge that teachers face is that in any given class there will be a variety of represented learning styles, most of which are not the same of the teacher's.
Aural learners are perhaps the easiest to reach - you just have to talk at them (or with them, for choice), but that leaves all of the visual and kinesthetic learners out in the cold.Yes, it is frequently the case that students will mindlessly copy whatever you put in front of them and what you say just flows in one ear and out the other and the notes are useless because they have no context.
But that has more to do with poor note taking skills then much else.
It is important for students (and even post-students) to figure out how they learn so they can develop good practices.
It is also important for teachers to be sensitive to how their students learn (and it will change in every classroom) so they can adjust to the students.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916089</id>
	<title>Two Possible Solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can think of two ways to do this.</p><p>1)  In LaTeX, it's possible to make your own commands that are much shorter than the built in commands.  For instance, I personally use "/RR" instead of "/mathbb{R}".  This could make it a lot faster, if you repeat the same symbols often.</p><p>2)  If that doesn't speed it up enough, you could use place holders that you fill in later.  Type everything you can, and use say "(A)", then "(B)", and so on, in place of equations and such, which you write down on a peice of paper, properly labelled.  Then go back later and enter them in.  This is really just a variant of everyone who says that pen and paper is the way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of two ways to do this.1 ) In LaTeX , it 's possible to make your own commands that are much shorter than the built in commands .
For instance , I personally use " /RR " instead of " /mathbb { R } " .
This could make it a lot faster , if you repeat the same symbols often.2 ) If that does n't speed it up enough , you could use place holders that you fill in later .
Type everything you can , and use say " ( A ) " , then " ( B ) " , and so on , in place of equations and such , which you write down on a peice of paper , properly labelled .
Then go back later and enter them in .
This is really just a variant of everyone who says that pen and paper is the way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of two ways to do this.1)  In LaTeX, it's possible to make your own commands that are much shorter than the built in commands.
For instance, I personally use "/RR" instead of "/mathbb{R}".
This could make it a lot faster, if you repeat the same symbols often.2)  If that doesn't speed it up enough, you could use place holders that you fill in later.
Type everything you can, and use say "(A)", then "(B)", and so on, in place of equations and such, which you write down on a peice of paper, properly labelled.
Then go back later and enter them in.
This is really just a variant of everyone who says that pen and paper is the way to go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920779</id>
	<title>Analog baby</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256839860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I HATE people who takes notes on their computers. Can't file your notes in the correct order? Try writing the date in the corner of the page. Make a table on contents for "easier searching," although I for one have never found it that hard to find the day we covered a certain topic, even in an eight-month course.</p><p>Seriously, the hum of a single laptop behind me in a lecture is like needles on the brain. Don't be that jerk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I HATE people who takes notes on their computers .
Ca n't file your notes in the correct order ?
Try writing the date in the corner of the page .
Make a table on contents for " easier searching , " although I for one have never found it that hard to find the day we covered a certain topic , even in an eight-month course.Seriously , the hum of a single laptop behind me in a lecture is like needles on the brain .
Do n't be that jerk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I HATE people who takes notes on their computers.
Can't file your notes in the correct order?
Try writing the date in the corner of the page.
Make a table on contents for "easier searching," although I for one have never found it that hard to find the day we covered a certain topic, even in an eight-month course.Seriously, the hum of a single laptop behind me in a lecture is like needles on the brain.
Don't be that jerk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916151</id>
	<title>Don't use a computer in class</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want really good notes, the only practical way to do it is take fast sketchy notes with pen and paper in class, then type them up the same evening while you still remember the lecture, expanding the sketchy stuff into complete sentences and explanations, equations, and so forth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want really good notes , the only practical way to do it is take fast sketchy notes with pen and paper in class , then type them up the same evening while you still remember the lecture , expanding the sketchy stuff into complete sentences and explanations , equations , and so forth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want really good notes, the only practical way to do it is take fast sketchy notes with pen and paper in class, then type them up the same evening while you still remember the lecture, expanding the sketchy stuff into complete sentences and explanations, equations, and so forth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917245</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>maharb</author>
	<datestamp>1256813820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I asked for the best way to kill myself and a reply was "maybe you shouldn't" will you make one of these for me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I asked for the best way to kill myself and a reply was " maybe you should n't " will you make one of these for me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I asked for the best way to kill myself and a reply was "maybe you shouldn't" will you make one of these for me?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915959</id>
	<title>OpenOffice works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The OpenOffice equation editor is just typing markup text; it's a steep learning curve, but once I got the hang of it I could keep up with any prof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OpenOffice equation editor is just typing markup text ; it 's a steep learning curve , but once I got the hang of it I could keep up with any prof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OpenOffice equation editor is just typing markup text; it's a steep learning curve, but once I got the hang of it I could keep up with any prof.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921617</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>data2</author>
	<datestamp>1256896800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks. What worked for us in case of missing resources for creating complete lecture notes is a wiki that supports latex. This is run by students, as they don't see the point either and just share the burden of taking notes in class. And at our college, one is expected to know most of the proofs, so it makes no sense to just look into books to get something and being able to solve exercises. Won't get you a good grade, at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks .
What worked for us in case of missing resources for creating complete lecture notes is a wiki that supports latex .
This is run by students , as they do n't see the point either and just share the burden of taking notes in class .
And at our college , one is expected to know most of the proofs , so it makes no sense to just look into books to get something and being able to solve exercises .
Wo n't get you a good grade , at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks.
What worked for us in case of missing resources for creating complete lecture notes is a wiki that supports latex.
This is run by students, as they don't see the point either and just share the burden of taking notes in class.
And at our college, one is expected to know most of the proofs, so it makes no sense to just look into books to get something and being able to solve exercises.
Won't get you a good grade, at least.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921665</id>
	<title>OpenOffice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256897460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done it myself using the equation editor in openoffice writer (which is way better than the one in MS office). It is very powerful and with a bit of training you can be really fast (some times I'm faster then my friends who are writing by hand).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done it myself using the equation editor in openoffice writer ( which is way better than the one in MS office ) .
It is very powerful and with a bit of training you can be really fast ( some times I 'm faster then my friends who are writing by hand ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done it myself using the equation editor in openoffice writer (which is way better than the one in MS office).
It is very powerful and with a bit of training you can be really fast (some times I'm faster then my friends who are writing by hand).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917419</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>hugortega</author>
	<datestamp>1256814540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wacom's Bamboo on windows having a Mac?... Leopard has a fantastic support for tablet pen. much better than windows vista. Also, with a bit practice, you can use LyX or any other equation editor, combined with Leopard's hand-write recognition. Just an idea</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wacom 's Bamboo on windows having a Mac ? .. .
Leopard has a fantastic support for tablet pen .
much better than windows vista .
Also , with a bit practice , you can use LyX or any other equation editor , combined with Leopard 's hand-write recognition .
Just an idea</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wacom's Bamboo on windows having a Mac?...
Leopard has a fantastic support for tablet pen.
much better than windows vista.
Also, with a bit practice, you can use LyX or any other equation editor, combined with Leopard's hand-write recognition.
Just an idea</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929919</id>
	<title>Touchbook?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've wanted to take digital notes for myself (mostly math) for a long time, but have had a hard time finding something relatively cheap and portable.  I'm optimistic that the Touchbook (http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/) will fulfill my needs.  I've preordered, and expect mine any day now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've wanted to take digital notes for myself ( mostly math ) for a long time , but have had a hard time finding something relatively cheap and portable .
I 'm optimistic that the Touchbook ( http : //www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ ) will fulfill my needs .
I 've preordered , and expect mine any day now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've wanted to take digital notes for myself (mostly math) for a long time, but have had a hard time finding something relatively cheap and portable.
I'm optimistic that the Touchbook (http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/) will fulfill my needs.
I've preordered, and expect mine any day now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921849</id>
	<title>emacs+latex+macros</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256901240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Emacs, latex, macros and a bit of preparation. Obviously yo DO 10-finger type.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.\i\_{-\I}^\I e^{-x}dx</p><p>is NOT that hard on a US keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emacs , latex , macros and a bit of preparation .
Obviously yo DO 10-finger type .
. \ i \ _ { - \ I } ^ \ I e ^ { -x } dxis NOT that hard on a US keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs, latex, macros and a bit of preparation.
Obviously yo DO 10-finger type.
.\i\_{-\I}^\I e^{-x}dxis NOT that hard on a US keyboard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916533</id>
	<title>Vim-LaTeX</title>
	<author>momerath2003</author>
	<datestamp>1256811180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With Vim's editing capability, the shortcuts defined in <a href="http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">VIM-LaTeX</a> [sourceforge.net] let me take notes as fast as my professor types them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With Vim 's editing capability , the shortcuts defined in VIM-LaTeX [ sourceforge.net ] let me take notes as fast as my professor types them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Vim's editing capability, the shortcuts defined in VIM-LaTeX [sourceforge.net] let me take notes as fast as my professor types them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918315</id>
	<title>LaTeX + Vim</title>
	<author>fraa\_kenneth</author>
	<datestamp>1256819520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may think it's too slow now but it pays off in the long run in a big way.  Typing LaTeX in real time requires you to examine each statement in your mind to select the correct LaTeX code, this helped me with memory.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may think it 's too slow now but it pays off in the long run in a big way .
Typing LaTeX in real time requires you to examine each statement in your mind to select the correct LaTeX code , this helped me with memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may think it's too slow now but it pays off in the long run in a big way.
Typing LaTeX in real time requires you to examine each statement in your mind to select the correct LaTeX code, this helped me with memory.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916403</id>
	<title>Learn to use some macros</title>
	<author>Fitzghon</author>
	<datestamp>1256810700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I regularly take notes in my advanced undergraduate math classes using LaTeX.  The key is to

(a) use macros --- make them up on the fly and just start using them.  e.g. \pd{f}{g} for \frac{\partial f}{\partial g}, for instance, or \cF for \mathcal{F}, or \sHom for \operatorname{sHom}...

(b) don't compile --- compiling during class will just confuse you.  Make sure you've got enough info in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.tex file for you to understand what the notes are, and then fix typos and errors afterward.  To tie back to (a), actually write the definitions for your new set of macros after class.

(c) use Emacs --- if you're doing a lot of TeX you'll be happier with emacs and auctex.

(d) type faster.

If you can't go fast enough (or the lecturer is whipping through the blackboard faster than you can type), go back to paper &amp; pencil.  It's not that bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I regularly take notes in my advanced undergraduate math classes using LaTeX .
The key is to ( a ) use macros --- make them up on the fly and just start using them .
e.g. \ pd { f } { g } for \ frac { \ partial f } { \ partial g } , for instance , or \ cF for \ mathcal { F } , or \ sHom for \ operatorname { sHom } .. . ( b ) do n't compile --- compiling during class will just confuse you .
Make sure you 've got enough info in the .tex file for you to understand what the notes are , and then fix typos and errors afterward .
To tie back to ( a ) , actually write the definitions for your new set of macros after class .
( c ) use Emacs --- if you 're doing a lot of TeX you 'll be happier with emacs and auctex .
( d ) type faster .
If you ca n't go fast enough ( or the lecturer is whipping through the blackboard faster than you can type ) , go back to paper &amp; pencil .
It 's not that bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I regularly take notes in my advanced undergraduate math classes using LaTeX.
The key is to

(a) use macros --- make them up on the fly and just start using them.
e.g. \pd{f}{g} for \frac{\partial f}{\partial g}, for instance, or \cF for \mathcal{F}, or \sHom for \operatorname{sHom}...

(b) don't compile --- compiling during class will just confuse you.
Make sure you've got enough info in the .tex file for you to understand what the notes are, and then fix typos and errors afterward.
To tie back to (a), actually write the definitions for your new set of macros after class.
(c) use Emacs --- if you're doing a lot of TeX you'll be happier with emacs and auctex.
(d) type faster.
If you can't go fast enough (or the lecturer is whipping through the blackboard faster than you can type), go back to paper &amp; pencil.
It's not that bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921769</id>
	<title>Digital Pen?</title>
	<author>clickclickdrone</author>
	<datestamp>1256900160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unless I've missed it, I can't believe no one has suggested a digital pen such as the e-Pen ones?
<a href="http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/reviews/hard/peripherals/e-pens-create.htm" title="practicalpc.co.uk">http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/reviews/hard/peripherals/e-pens-create.htm</a> [practicalpc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless I 've missed it , I ca n't believe no one has suggested a digital pen such as the e-Pen ones ?
http : //www.practicalpc.co.uk/reviews/hard/peripherals/e-pens-create.htm [ practicalpc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless I've missed it, I can't believe no one has suggested a digital pen such as the e-Pen ones?
http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/reviews/hard/peripherals/e-pens-create.htm [practicalpc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916429</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>njfuzzy</author>
	<datestamp>1256810760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paper notepad. Give each equation a reference number. Put the reference number in your typed notes. Save yourself a lot of hassle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paper notepad .
Give each equation a reference number .
Put the reference number in your typed notes .
Save yourself a lot of hassle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paper notepad.
Give each equation a reference number.
Put the reference number in your typed notes.
Save yourself a lot of hassle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919857</id>
	<title>Re:Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>Eudial</author>
	<datestamp>1256829720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right.</p><p>Besides, handwritten math has had hundreds of years of development put into it, while computer based math typesetting is young and currently lacking (the keyboard just isn't a very good way to write something as non-linear as math). Sure, you can write pretty math in TeX on a computer, but it's a lot slower, and lacks the versatility of handwritten math. It's a good way to write a paper, but not for taking notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right.Besides , handwritten math has had hundreds of years of development put into it , while computer based math typesetting is young and currently lacking ( the keyboard just is n't a very good way to write something as non-linear as math ) .
Sure , you can write pretty math in TeX on a computer , but it 's a lot slower , and lacks the versatility of handwritten math .
It 's a good way to write a paper , but not for taking notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right.Besides, handwritten math has had hundreds of years of development put into it, while computer based math typesetting is young and currently lacking (the keyboard just isn't a very good way to write something as non-linear as math).
Sure, you can write pretty math in TeX on a computer, but it's a lot slower, and lacks the versatility of handwritten math.
It's a good way to write a paper, but not for taking notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920051</id>
	<title>Wiki + LaTeX?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had surprisingly good results with LaTeX maths in a Mediawiki. In a wiki you can get down everything but the math very quickly, and as others have said it is not too difficult to become speedy with the actual latex math.</p><p>I took my undergraduate signals and systems class with this method and never lifted a pencil in lecture. I'm sure the professor was probably a little confused, but in the end I performed well and now have excellent notes to refer to. I also had success with this in a number of other classes, but certainly not ones which require lots of graphs or matrices: the markup for these items is too verbose and I quickly reverted to pencil and paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had surprisingly good results with LaTeX maths in a Mediawiki .
In a wiki you can get down everything but the math very quickly , and as others have said it is not too difficult to become speedy with the actual latex math.I took my undergraduate signals and systems class with this method and never lifted a pencil in lecture .
I 'm sure the professor was probably a little confused , but in the end I performed well and now have excellent notes to refer to .
I also had success with this in a number of other classes , but certainly not ones which require lots of graphs or matrices : the markup for these items is too verbose and I quickly reverted to pencil and paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had surprisingly good results with LaTeX maths in a Mediawiki.
In a wiki you can get down everything but the math very quickly, and as others have said it is not too difficult to become speedy with the actual latex math.I took my undergraduate signals and systems class with this method and never lifted a pencil in lecture.
I'm sure the professor was probably a little confused, but in the end I performed well and now have excellent notes to refer to.
I also had success with this in a number of other classes, but certainly not ones which require lots of graphs or matrices: the markup for these items is too verbose and I quickly reverted to pencil and paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916205</id>
	<title>Just do like me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't take notes and save it all inside your brain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't take notes and save it all inside your brain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't take notes and save it all inside your brain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923561</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>G2GAlone</author>
	<datestamp>1256916720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. The math input panel is a great tool. Even when it doesn't recognize the variable/symbol/number you tried to write, it only takes a couple quick clicks to fix it. I've played around with it for quite some time and would find it very useful in any sort of class that dealt with equations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
The math input panel is a great tool .
Even when it does n't recognize the variable/symbol/number you tried to write , it only takes a couple quick clicks to fix it .
I 've played around with it for quite some time and would find it very useful in any sort of class that dealt with equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
The math input panel is a great tool.
Even when it doesn't recognize the variable/symbol/number you tried to write, it only takes a couple quick clicks to fix it.
I've played around with it for quite some time and would find it very useful in any sort of class that dealt with equations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919475</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256826720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as a tactile learner, and an engineering/mathematics graduate student, I find that I cannot concentrate on what someone is saying UNLESS I'm writing it down. The phrase "in one ear and out the other" doesn't even begin to cover it. I've attempted to learn in the way you describe during my undergraduate education, and have had professors who handed out material, then covered it in lecture. I ended up throwing away the provided material and relying on my own notes entirely after several disastrous exams. Some people simply cannot absorb auditory information without note taking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as a tactile learner , and an engineering/mathematics graduate student , I find that I can not concentrate on what someone is saying UNLESS I 'm writing it down .
The phrase " in one ear and out the other " does n't even begin to cover it .
I 've attempted to learn in the way you describe during my undergraduate education , and have had professors who handed out material , then covered it in lecture .
I ended up throwing away the provided material and relying on my own notes entirely after several disastrous exams .
Some people simply can not absorb auditory information without note taking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as a tactile learner, and an engineering/mathematics graduate student, I find that I cannot concentrate on what someone is saying UNLESS I'm writing it down.
The phrase "in one ear and out the other" doesn't even begin to cover it.
I've attempted to learn in the way you describe during my undergraduate education, and have had professors who handed out material, then covered it in lecture.
I ended up throwing away the provided material and relying on my own notes entirely after several disastrous exams.
Some people simply cannot absorb auditory information without note taking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917129</id>
	<title>Mathematica</title>
	<author>thesman</author>
	<datestamp>1256813400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried <a href="http://www.wolfram.com/" title="wolfram.com" rel="nofollow">Wolfram's</a> [wolfram.com] Mathematica?</p><p>Not only it helped me take the required notes on every math related course but also helped solving/confirming many problems.</p><p>Not really saying if its cheap or overhead... just saying that it worked for me.</p><p>Cheers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried Wolfram 's [ wolfram.com ] Mathematica ? Not only it helped me take the required notes on every math related course but also helped solving/confirming many problems.Not really saying if its cheap or overhead... just saying that it worked for me.Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried Wolfram's [wolfram.com] Mathematica?Not only it helped me take the required notes on every math related course but also helped solving/confirming many problems.Not really saying if its cheap or overhead... just saying that it worked for me.Cheers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917179</id>
	<title>Slashdot: Questions From Idiots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stuff That DOESN'T Matter.</p><p>I'll write it again: What a stupid FUCKING question.</p><p>What's next on Slashdot: How to Do I Keep My Drink Cold While Working On Homework?: Refrigeration With Cryogenics: Liquid Hydrogen, Liguid Nitrogen? No, absolutely NOT. Use Liquid OXYGEN.</p><p>How Do I Maintain Alertness During The Day In College Classes?: Please schedule an appointment with a neurologist to see if you have narcolepsy!  Please visit a nutritionist to see if your diet is deficicient ! Absolutely NOT! Use METHAMPHETAMINES.   They work .</p><p>How Do I Graduate From University With Grades HIgher Than C?: Do your fucking HOMEWORK, moron.</p><p>Thanks in advance,<br>Philboyd Studge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stuff That DOES N'T Matter.I 'll write it again : What a stupid FUCKING question.What 's next on Slashdot : How to Do I Keep My Drink Cold While Working On Homework ?
: Refrigeration With Cryogenics : Liquid Hydrogen , Liguid Nitrogen ?
No , absolutely NOT .
Use Liquid OXYGEN.How Do I Maintain Alertness During The Day In College Classes ?
: Please schedule an appointment with a neurologist to see if you have narcolepsy !
Please visit a nutritionist to see if your diet is deficicient !
Absolutely NOT !
Use METHAMPHETAMINES .
They work .How Do I Graduate From University With Grades HIgher Than C ?
: Do your fucking HOMEWORK , moron.Thanks in advance,Philboyd Studge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stuff That DOESN'T Matter.I'll write it again: What a stupid FUCKING question.What's next on Slashdot: How to Do I Keep My Drink Cold While Working On Homework?
: Refrigeration With Cryogenics: Liquid Hydrogen, Liguid Nitrogen?
No, absolutely NOT.
Use Liquid OXYGEN.How Do I Maintain Alertness During The Day In College Classes?
: Please schedule an appointment with a neurologist to see if you have narcolepsy!
Please visit a nutritionist to see if your diet is deficicient !
Absolutely NOT!
Use METHAMPHETAMINES.
They work .How Do I Graduate From University With Grades HIgher Than C?
: Do your fucking HOMEWORK, moron.Thanks in advance,Philboyd Studge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919749</id>
	<title>Math and keyboards are not the best match</title>
	<author>Elazro</author>
	<datestamp>1256828760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anyone gets to the 495th or so comment, as a former mathematician, I recommend a pen and paper. If it helps you to have it in ASCII text (for searching, etc...) then take a few minutes at the end of the day to transcribe it.</p><p>My rationale -<br>A) Basic mathematical notation has evolved over a few hundred years to be concise and easily manipulated. It once was that equations were all described in text, so that even the description of the square root of a number was cumbersome ('a quantity, which when multiplied by itself yields the original...'). Expressing mathematical entities in textual psuedo notation, while quite a bit better than in prose, is a step backwards.</p><p>B) As you get more advanced in mathematics, you will most likely find the need for diagrams anyway (depending on the field). For instance, commutative diagrams in algebra, or all the bizarre pathologies in analysis (such as the 'walking ghosts'). There may be packages to do specific kinds of diagrams, but they will likely be unwieldy.</p><p>So get a nice pencil and paper. Or, like has been mentioned many times in this thread, get a Pulse pen. It's no worse than a pen ('cept for price), and you might find it useful.</p><p>(mini-review)<br>
&nbsp; I recently got a Pulse pen, and while I'm no longer taking class notes, it's quite handy. It's a tiny bit large for my hand, but fairly comfortable still. You can search for the textual parts of your equations, and it mostly finds them. I've downloaded the MyScript OCR free trial (for Mac), but I don't think I'll buy it, since it does a poor job with my poor hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anyone gets to the 495th or so comment , as a former mathematician , I recommend a pen and paper .
If it helps you to have it in ASCII text ( for searching , etc... ) then take a few minutes at the end of the day to transcribe it.My rationale -A ) Basic mathematical notation has evolved over a few hundred years to be concise and easily manipulated .
It once was that equations were all described in text , so that even the description of the square root of a number was cumbersome ( 'a quantity , which when multiplied by itself yields the original... ' ) .
Expressing mathematical entities in textual psuedo notation , while quite a bit better than in prose , is a step backwards.B ) As you get more advanced in mathematics , you will most likely find the need for diagrams anyway ( depending on the field ) .
For instance , commutative diagrams in algebra , or all the bizarre pathologies in analysis ( such as the 'walking ghosts ' ) .
There may be packages to do specific kinds of diagrams , but they will likely be unwieldy.So get a nice pencil and paper .
Or , like has been mentioned many times in this thread , get a Pulse pen .
It 's no worse than a pen ( 'cept for price ) , and you might find it useful .
( mini-review )   I recently got a Pulse pen , and while I 'm no longer taking class notes , it 's quite handy .
It 's a tiny bit large for my hand , but fairly comfortable still .
You can search for the textual parts of your equations , and it mostly finds them .
I 've downloaded the MyScript OCR free trial ( for Mac ) , but I do n't think I 'll buy it , since it does a poor job with my poor hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anyone gets to the 495th or so comment, as a former mathematician, I recommend a pen and paper.
If it helps you to have it in ASCII text (for searching, etc...) then take a few minutes at the end of the day to transcribe it.My rationale -A) Basic mathematical notation has evolved over a few hundred years to be concise and easily manipulated.
It once was that equations were all described in text, so that even the description of the square root of a number was cumbersome ('a quantity, which when multiplied by itself yields the original...').
Expressing mathematical entities in textual psuedo notation, while quite a bit better than in prose, is a step backwards.B) As you get more advanced in mathematics, you will most likely find the need for diagrams anyway (depending on the field).
For instance, commutative diagrams in algebra, or all the bizarre pathologies in analysis (such as the 'walking ghosts').
There may be packages to do specific kinds of diagrams, but they will likely be unwieldy.So get a nice pencil and paper.
Or, like has been mentioned many times in this thread, get a Pulse pen.
It's no worse than a pen ('cept for price), and you might find it useful.
(mini-review)
  I recently got a Pulse pen, and while I'm no longer taking class notes, it's quite handy.
It's a tiny bit large for my hand, but fairly comfortable still.
You can search for the textual parts of your equations, and it mostly finds them.
I've downloaded the MyScript OCR free trial (for Mac), but I don't think I'll buy it, since it does a poor job with my poor hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923485</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256916360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Borland had a product in the 1980s called Eureka that was very good. I never bought it but enjoyed the articles every month in their magazine to see what problems Eureka could address.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Borland had a product in the 1980s called Eureka that was very good .
I never bought it but enjoyed the articles every month in their magazine to see what problems Eureka could address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Borland had a product in the 1980s called Eureka that was very good.
I never bought it but enjoyed the articles every month in their magazine to see what problems Eureka could address.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917099</id>
	<title>Wacom + Curio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Wacom tablets for lecture and research notes for four years now.  At first it's quite hard to use a pen tablet as opposed to a tablet computer, since nothing appears under your stylus, and you have to write while watching the screen instead of your hand.  But I got quite used to it within a week.  Adjusting the scaling between the tablet and the screen may be important &mdash; an 8" tablet worked badly when I tried to map it to my entire 23" screen, but mapping it to about half the screen worked fine.</p><p>For portability and for study advantage you might well be better to transcribe paper notes, but you might still want to do the transcribing with a tablet and handwriting instead of TeX or text.  For giving lectures and for research calculations, I find two great advantages of electronic notes over paper: they're instantly searchable (not the scribbles, but typed text); and I can fix up my equations by drag and drop, copy and paste.  The speed-up for making nice, neat notes this way, instead of on paper, is comparable to going from typewriter to word processor to produce a fair copy.  My handwriting is not as elegant as typeset equations, but it's enormously faster to draw integrals and fractions and so on than type out TeX.</p><p>As a program to handle the tablet input on a Mac, I use Curio.  Curio lets you drop in pictures and figures and typed text, adjust the page size arbitrarily, and a bunch of other stuff as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Wacom tablets for lecture and research notes for four years now .
At first it 's quite hard to use a pen tablet as opposed to a tablet computer , since nothing appears under your stylus , and you have to write while watching the screen instead of your hand .
But I got quite used to it within a week .
Adjusting the scaling between the tablet and the screen may be important    an 8 " tablet worked badly when I tried to map it to my entire 23 " screen , but mapping it to about half the screen worked fine.For portability and for study advantage you might well be better to transcribe paper notes , but you might still want to do the transcribing with a tablet and handwriting instead of TeX or text .
For giving lectures and for research calculations , I find two great advantages of electronic notes over paper : they 're instantly searchable ( not the scribbles , but typed text ) ; and I can fix up my equations by drag and drop , copy and paste .
The speed-up for making nice , neat notes this way , instead of on paper , is comparable to going from typewriter to word processor to produce a fair copy .
My handwriting is not as elegant as typeset equations , but it 's enormously faster to draw integrals and fractions and so on than type out TeX.As a program to handle the tablet input on a Mac , I use Curio .
Curio lets you drop in pictures and figures and typed text , adjust the page size arbitrarily , and a bunch of other stuff as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Wacom tablets for lecture and research notes for four years now.
At first it's quite hard to use a pen tablet as opposed to a tablet computer, since nothing appears under your stylus, and you have to write while watching the screen instead of your hand.
But I got quite used to it within a week.
Adjusting the scaling between the tablet and the screen may be important — an 8" tablet worked badly when I tried to map it to my entire 23" screen, but mapping it to about half the screen worked fine.For portability and for study advantage you might well be better to transcribe paper notes, but you might still want to do the transcribing with a tablet and handwriting instead of TeX or text.
For giving lectures and for research calculations, I find two great advantages of electronic notes over paper: they're instantly searchable (not the scribbles, but typed text); and I can fix up my equations by drag and drop, copy and paste.
The speed-up for making nice, neat notes this way, instead of on paper, is comparable to going from typewriter to word processor to produce a fair copy.
My handwriting is not as elegant as typeset equations, but it's enormously faster to draw integrals and fractions and so on than type out TeX.As a program to handle the tablet input on a Mac, I use Curio.
Curio lets you drop in pictures and figures and typed text, adjust the page size arbitrarily, and a bunch of other stuff as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921775</id>
	<title>prefix/postfix notation?</title>
	<author>wolftone</author>
	<datestamp>1256900280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Though it may not be quite as easy to read initially, a prefix or postfix notated expression would work well on a (probably wrapped) line, and could therefore be good for simple text editors (which is what I use for taking notes). People experienced with this (LISPers?) would be better suited than I am to say if this would work well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though it may not be quite as easy to read initially , a prefix or postfix notated expression would work well on a ( probably wrapped ) line , and could therefore be good for simple text editors ( which is what I use for taking notes ) .
People experienced with this ( LISPers ?
) would be better suited than I am to say if this would work well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though it may not be quite as easy to read initially, a prefix or postfix notated expression would work well on a (probably wrapped) line, and could therefore be good for simple text editors (which is what I use for taking notes).
People experienced with this (LISPers?
) would be better suited than I am to say if this would work well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919239</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I was your committee on academic standing I would recommend that you be dismissed for the GPA that not paying attention in class would get you, at least if you were this proud of it at the hearing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was your committee on academic standing I would recommend that you be dismissed for the GPA that not paying attention in class would get you , at least if you were this proud of it at the hearing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was your committee on academic standing I would recommend that you be dismissed for the GPA that not paying attention in class would get you, at least if you were this proud of it at the hearing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918289</id>
	<title>Re:Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1256819340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Hi, I'm a physics professor"
<br> <br>
And I'm a PC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hi , I 'm a physics professor " And I 'm a PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hi, I'm a physics professor"
 
And I'm a PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920029</id>
	<title>LaTeX Macros save time</title>
	<author>questioner</author>
	<datestamp>1256831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're serious about taking mathematical notes, there really isn't anything to beat LaTeX except for the multi-mentioned writing tablets, where you're essentially recording images (and could do the job just as easily with pen and paper).</p><p>If you're worried about your typing of LaTeX taking too long, make macros. It's trivial to create commonly used macros for "long" things like \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} so instead, you type \iII (i - i-cap - i-cap) or some other easily remembered name. If you're still typing out every bit of math you do in LaTeX long-hand, you aren't coming close to using the true power inherent in a markup language.</p><p>Want easy ways to represent \mathbb{R} or \mathbb{C}? \rS or \cS defines work great. Integrals? Same idea. Just figure out what the commonly used things are in the class you're taking notes for, and make macros for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're serious about taking mathematical notes , there really is n't anything to beat LaTeX except for the multi-mentioned writing tablets , where you 're essentially recording images ( and could do the job just as easily with pen and paper ) .If you 're worried about your typing of LaTeX taking too long , make macros .
It 's trivial to create commonly used macros for " long " things like \ int \ _ { - \ infty } ^ { \ infty } so instead , you type \ iII ( i - i-cap - i-cap ) or some other easily remembered name .
If you 're still typing out every bit of math you do in LaTeX long-hand , you are n't coming close to using the true power inherent in a markup language.Want easy ways to represent \ mathbb { R } or \ mathbb { C } ?
\ rS or \ cS defines work great .
Integrals ? Same idea .
Just figure out what the commonly used things are in the class you 're taking notes for , and make macros for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're serious about taking mathematical notes, there really isn't anything to beat LaTeX except for the multi-mentioned writing tablets, where you're essentially recording images (and could do the job just as easily with pen and paper).If you're worried about your typing of LaTeX taking too long, make macros.
It's trivial to create commonly used macros for "long" things like \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} so instead, you type \iII (i - i-cap - i-cap) or some other easily remembered name.
If you're still typing out every bit of math you do in LaTeX long-hand, you aren't coming close to using the true power inherent in a markup language.Want easy ways to represent \mathbb{R} or \mathbb{C}?
\rS or \cS defines work great.
Integrals? Same idea.
Just figure out what the commonly used things are in the class you're taking notes for, and make macros for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918783</id>
	<title>Mathcad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256822220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, Mathcad is an excellent choice for producing professional-looking equations without delving into latex.  The hotkeys make equation entry a snap, and the equations look exactly how you would write them (as opposed to mathematic or maple).  The only complaint that I have is that there is no Linux version...and their license scheme is a little bit draconian.  But if you run windows, I highly reccomend it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , Mathcad is an excellent choice for producing professional-looking equations without delving into latex .
The hotkeys make equation entry a snap , and the equations look exactly how you would write them ( as opposed to mathematic or maple ) .
The only complaint that I have is that there is no Linux version...and their license scheme is a little bit draconian .
But if you run windows , I highly reccomend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, Mathcad is an excellent choice for producing professional-looking equations without delving into latex.
The hotkeys make equation entry a snap, and the equations look exactly how you would write them (as opposed to mathematic or maple).
The only complaint that I have is that there is no Linux version...and their license scheme is a little bit draconian.
But if you run windows, I highly reccomend it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916871</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried this freshman year and I ended up wasting a lot of time. Yes, I learned the stuff well, but it meant that my homework (which I also typeset in LaTeX) would take away from my rest time (i.e. 8 hours of sleep each night). It's doable if you do two technical courses per quarter with one easy general education requirement which you don't mind barely passing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried this freshman year and I ended up wasting a lot of time .
Yes , I learned the stuff well , but it meant that my homework ( which I also typeset in LaTeX ) would take away from my rest time ( i.e .
8 hours of sleep each night ) .
It 's doable if you do two technical courses per quarter with one easy general education requirement which you do n't mind barely passing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried this freshman year and I ended up wasting a lot of time.
Yes, I learned the stuff well, but it meant that my homework (which I also typeset in LaTeX) would take away from my rest time (i.e.
8 hours of sleep each night).
It's doable if you do two technical courses per quarter with one easy general education requirement which you don't mind barely passing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29947726</id>
	<title>Get a digital pen</title>
	<author>daHIFI</author>
	<datestamp>1257101100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a digital pen. You'll be able to write the equations on paper and get the muscle memory boost from actually writing them down, and be able to sync the contents to a computer. Other pros include the fact that you won't even need to have the computer on as the pen has it's own memory. The con is that you have to buy special patterned notebooks and the pen is a bit large.</p><p>Logitech has a $150 one that is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-io-Personal-Digital-Pen/dp/B00006JP23</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a digital pen .
You 'll be able to write the equations on paper and get the muscle memory boost from actually writing them down , and be able to sync the contents to a computer .
Other pros include the fact that you wo n't even need to have the computer on as the pen has it 's own memory .
The con is that you have to buy special patterned notebooks and the pen is a bit large.Logitech has a $ 150 one that is pretty good : http : //www.amazon.com/Logitech-io-Personal-Digital-Pen/dp/B00006JP23</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a digital pen.
You'll be able to write the equations on paper and get the muscle memory boost from actually writing them down, and be able to sync the contents to a computer.
Other pros include the fact that you won't even need to have the computer on as the pen has it's own memory.
The con is that you have to buy special patterned notebooks and the pen is a bit large.Logitech has a $150 one that is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-io-Personal-Digital-Pen/dp/B00006JP23</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922443</id>
	<title>Pen and paper?</title>
	<author>Gizmoguy</author>
	<datestamp>1256909580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't you just write the equations down in a notebook, then put a number into your typed notes? You can LaTeXify the equations (or embed them in whatever way you choose) after class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you just write the equations down in a notebook , then put a number into your typed notes ?
You can LaTeXify the equations ( or embed them in whatever way you choose ) after class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you just write the equations down in a notebook, then put a number into your typed notes?
You can LaTeXify the equations (or embed them in whatever way you choose) after class.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923411</id>
	<title>It'll probably get me lynched here...</title>
	<author>OKDog</author>
	<datestamp>1256915940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A tablet PC and Microsoft OneNote is serving me well in the exact same situation as the poster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A tablet PC and Microsoft OneNote is serving me well in the exact same situation as the poster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A tablet PC and Microsoft OneNote is serving me well in the exact same situation as the poster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920259</id>
	<title>photograph, rewrite, type at leisure?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could you use a device with a built in digital camera to take a photograph of the finished black board or once every few minutes, then rewrite your notes by hand or type them up in lyx afterward at a more deliberate pace, thinking about it more as you go along?  I would think you could then listen and pay close attention, feeling a little bit more relaxed and less frazzled, especially if the prof's handwriting is rapid</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you use a device with a built in digital camera to take a photograph of the finished black board or once every few minutes , then rewrite your notes by hand or type them up in lyx afterward at a more deliberate pace , thinking about it more as you go along ?
I would think you could then listen and pay close attention , feeling a little bit more relaxed and less frazzled , especially if the prof 's handwriting is rapid</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you use a device with a built in digital camera to take a photograph of the finished black board or once every few minutes, then rewrite your notes by hand or type them up in lyx afterward at a more deliberate pace, thinking about it more as you go along?
I would think you could then listen and pay close attention, feeling a little bit more relaxed and less frazzled, especially if the prof's handwriting is rapid</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920179</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>m\_number4</author>
	<datestamp>1256832480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mentioned something here that make a lot of sense and that is 'attention'. Listening with attention and gaining direct understanding is the quickest and most effective way to learn something. Young children don't usually have the same attention span as adults (or as adults should have) so learning by writing over and over makes sense but after a certain stage it should be that students are able to direct their attention on what someone is describing and be able to follow that. That is the most economical and wise use of a techers time in the classroom setting and one I'd longed for throughout my student years but never had.
Well done, your students will love you for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mentioned something here that make a lot of sense and that is 'attention' .
Listening with attention and gaining direct understanding is the quickest and most effective way to learn something .
Young children do n't usually have the same attention span as adults ( or as adults should have ) so learning by writing over and over makes sense but after a certain stage it should be that students are able to direct their attention on what someone is describing and be able to follow that .
That is the most economical and wise use of a techers time in the classroom setting and one I 'd longed for throughout my student years but never had .
Well done , your students will love you for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mentioned something here that make a lot of sense and that is 'attention'.
Listening with attention and gaining direct understanding is the quickest and most effective way to learn something.
Young children don't usually have the same attention span as adults (or as adults should have) so learning by writing over and over makes sense but after a certain stage it should be that students are able to direct their attention on what someone is describing and be able to follow that.
That is the most economical and wise use of a techers time in the classroom setting and one I'd longed for throughout my student years but never had.
Well done, your students will love you for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919765</id>
	<title>Mathematica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256828880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love how everyone here is telling you to just pencil and paper. For the past 7 years (through both college and high school), I have taken all of my math notes in Mathematica. Every symbol, even the most esoteric ones, is at most four or five keystrokes. For example, an integral like integral x=0 to inf (x^2)/xbar is quick to enter:</p><p>integral template -- ESC i n t t ESC<br>bound -- x = 0 TAB ESC inf ESC<br>value -- x C-6 2 RIGHT C-/ x C-5 UNDERSCORE</p><p>it's really quick to type, and you'll quickly learn the keystrokes from the character palette. I haven't taken a single note on paper in any of my math classes since about sophomore year of high school.</p><p>--Quentin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how everyone here is telling you to just pencil and paper .
For the past 7 years ( through both college and high school ) , I have taken all of my math notes in Mathematica .
Every symbol , even the most esoteric ones , is at most four or five keystrokes .
For example , an integral like integral x = 0 to inf ( x ^ 2 ) /xbar is quick to enter : integral template -- ESC i n t t ESCbound -- x = 0 TAB ESC inf ESCvalue -- x C-6 2 RIGHT C-/ x C-5 UNDERSCOREit 's really quick to type , and you 'll quickly learn the keystrokes from the character palette .
I have n't taken a single note on paper in any of my math classes since about sophomore year of high school.--Quentin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how everyone here is telling you to just pencil and paper.
For the past 7 years (through both college and high school), I have taken all of my math notes in Mathematica.
Every symbol, even the most esoteric ones, is at most four or five keystrokes.
For example, an integral like integral x=0 to inf (x^2)/xbar is quick to enter:integral template -- ESC i n t t ESCbound -- x = 0 TAB ESC inf ESCvalue -- x C-6 2 RIGHT C-/ x C-5 UNDERSCOREit's really quick to type, and you'll quickly learn the keystrokes from the character palette.
I haven't taken a single note on paper in any of my math classes since about sophomore year of high school.--Quentin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919113</id>
	<title>Grapher.app</title>
	<author>Seth Milliken</author>
	<datestamp>1256823960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/Applications/Utilities/Grapher</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/Applications/Utilities/Grapher</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/Applications/Utilities/Grapher</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917065</id>
	<title>Re:Mac's Typography; in short: transcribe your not</title>
	<author>drussell</author>
	<datestamp>1256813100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The equation editor in WordPerfect (any version since way back about 5.1 for DOS) lets you enter equations as nice simple text and does a remarkable job of formatting them correctly for you (I used to use it ALL the time), but it probably isn't "fast" enough to enter them on-the-fly like you want....  Probably best to enter them graphically into your favorite program (perhaps with a stylus in this case) and then clean them up later if you like.  I've seen several programs over the years that let you use a regular laptop touchpad as a small tablet, but can't recall any specific names off the top of my head.  Used to even be built into some of the early touchpad drivers...  I'm sure google would be your friend on that one...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The equation editor in WordPerfect ( any version since way back about 5.1 for DOS ) lets you enter equations as nice simple text and does a remarkable job of formatting them correctly for you ( I used to use it ALL the time ) , but it probably is n't " fast " enough to enter them on-the-fly like you want.... Probably best to enter them graphically into your favorite program ( perhaps with a stylus in this case ) and then clean them up later if you like .
I 've seen several programs over the years that let you use a regular laptop touchpad as a small tablet , but ca n't recall any specific names off the top of my head .
Used to even be built into some of the early touchpad drivers... I 'm sure google would be your friend on that one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The equation editor in WordPerfect (any version since way back about 5.1 for DOS) lets you enter equations as nice simple text and does a remarkable job of formatting them correctly for you (I used to use it ALL the time), but it probably isn't "fast" enough to enter them on-the-fly like you want....  Probably best to enter them graphically into your favorite program (perhaps with a stylus in this case) and then clean them up later if you like.
I've seen several programs over the years that let you use a regular laptop touchpad as a small tablet, but can't recall any specific names off the top of my head.
Used to even be built into some of the early touchpad drivers...  I'm sure google would be your friend on that one...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916619</id>
	<title>MathCAD from PTC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not only great for doing engineering/physics homework, you can type a pretty equation really quick if you learn the keyboard syntax.  It's actually pretty awesome, although i'm rather upset that a) it seems that it has disappeared from most engineering curricula, and b) PTC hasn't released a new version in at least two years.  The ASME chapter at the university I work for sells student licenses for $30 instead of the regular $119 from the bookstore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not only great for doing engineering/physics homework , you can type a pretty equation really quick if you learn the keyboard syntax .
It 's actually pretty awesome , although i 'm rather upset that a ) it seems that it has disappeared from most engineering curricula , and b ) PTC has n't released a new version in at least two years .
The ASME chapter at the university I work for sells student licenses for $ 30 instead of the regular $ 119 from the bookstore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not only great for doing engineering/physics homework, you can type a pretty equation really quick if you learn the keyboard syntax.
It's actually pretty awesome, although i'm rather upset that a) it seems that it has disappeared from most engineering curricula, and b) PTC hasn't released a new version in at least two years.
The ASME chapter at the university I work for sells student licenses for $30 instead of the regular $119 from the bookstore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915975</id>
	<title>MapleSoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try to use Maple vs 12 or higher.  It parses the equations beautifully.</p><p>--M</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try to use Maple vs 12 or higher .
It parses the equations beautifully.--M</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try to use Maple vs 12 or higher.
It parses the equations beautifully.--M</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916943</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>you'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience.  Go you!</p></div><p>The question I don't understand is WHY. The quoted statement outline the end result pretty clearly. I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but sometimes simpler is better. I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out, it's called the Book.</p><p>Note taking, for me, was to summarize what the teacher said, in MY words so that I could understand it later. I just learn by writing it down, there were some classes that I never kept the notes. I'd grab what ever scratch paper was by the printers, write on it, and toss it after class. (Statics. F=0, how hard is it?). I still have quite a few of both textbooks AND notes for a class. I have the hard equations and then I have how I learned it. Heaven forbid ever become an engineer, where the teacher is drawing simply supported beams on the board, the teacher is drawing feedback control systems.</p><p>Anything worth writing is worth writing once. If someone already wrote it in the text book. Then that is good enough for me. In some classes we'd photocopy the problems out of the book, cut them out and paste them on the homework. It was better looking than my drawing and clearer than my handwriting... and I can guarantee I never made any transcribing errors.</p><p>Instantly digitized notes seem like they'd be great for classes where the content will never exist again outside of that class. Philosophy debates, taking notes as a reporter, etc. You're going to spend more of your time trying to figure out how to make that '2' go subscript of that '4' in the numerator with the summation block than you will learning the content. Put down the computer. Grab a good mechanical pencil and a $.50 notebook from walmart and quit worrying about it.</p><p>If you HAVE to have a digital copy. Take notes on something that can easily be separated into individual sheets (3 ring binder and 8x11s with 3 holes). When the semester is over take it to any decent multifunction machine, put it in the top and let it scan everything for you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>you 'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience .
Go you ! The question I do n't understand is WHY .
The quoted statement outline the end result pretty clearly .
I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems , but sometimes simpler is better .
I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out , it 's called the Book.Note taking , for me , was to summarize what the teacher said , in MY words so that I could understand it later .
I just learn by writing it down , there were some classes that I never kept the notes .
I 'd grab what ever scratch paper was by the printers , write on it , and toss it after class .
( Statics. F = 0 , how hard is it ? ) .
I still have quite a few of both textbooks AND notes for a class .
I have the hard equations and then I have how I learned it .
Heaven forbid ever become an engineer , where the teacher is drawing simply supported beams on the board , the teacher is drawing feedback control systems.Anything worth writing is worth writing once .
If someone already wrote it in the text book .
Then that is good enough for me .
In some classes we 'd photocopy the problems out of the book , cut them out and paste them on the homework .
It was better looking than my drawing and clearer than my handwriting... and I can guarantee I never made any transcribing errors.Instantly digitized notes seem like they 'd be great for classes where the content will never exist again outside of that class .
Philosophy debates , taking notes as a reporter , etc .
You 're going to spend more of your time trying to figure out how to make that '2 ' go subscript of that '4 ' in the numerator with the summation block than you will learning the content .
Put down the computer .
Grab a good mechanical pencil and a $ .50 notebook from walmart and quit worrying about it.If you HAVE to have a digital copy .
Take notes on something that can easily be separated into individual sheets ( 3 ring binder and 8x11s with 3 holes ) .
When the semester is over take it to any decent multifunction machine , put it in the top and let it scan everything for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience.
Go you!The question I don't understand is WHY.
The quoted statement outline the end result pretty clearly.
I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but sometimes simpler is better.
I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out, it's called the Book.Note taking, for me, was to summarize what the teacher said, in MY words so that I could understand it later.
I just learn by writing it down, there were some classes that I never kept the notes.
I'd grab what ever scratch paper was by the printers, write on it, and toss it after class.
(Statics. F=0, how hard is it?).
I still have quite a few of both textbooks AND notes for a class.
I have the hard equations and then I have how I learned it.
Heaven forbid ever become an engineer, where the teacher is drawing simply supported beams on the board, the teacher is drawing feedback control systems.Anything worth writing is worth writing once.
If someone already wrote it in the text book.
Then that is good enough for me.
In some classes we'd photocopy the problems out of the book, cut them out and paste them on the homework.
It was better looking than my drawing and clearer than my handwriting... and I can guarantee I never made any transcribing errors.Instantly digitized notes seem like they'd be great for classes where the content will never exist again outside of that class.
Philosophy debates, taking notes as a reporter, etc.
You're going to spend more of your time trying to figure out how to make that '2' go subscript of that '4' in the numerator with the summation block than you will learning the content.
Put down the computer.
Grab a good mechanical pencil and a $.50 notebook from walmart and quit worrying about it.If you HAVE to have a digital copy.
Take notes on something that can easily be separated into individual sheets (3 ring binder and 8x11s with 3 holes).
When the semester is over take it to any decent multifunction machine, put it in the top and let it scan everything for you.
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	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- I hate writing, and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.<br>- I was using computers way before anyone else in my school, I even took some of the lessons that I was supposed to be taught in (the teacher found it easier that way).<br>- I went to university to study Mathematics and Computing and had already had five years (at least) of proper exposure to things like Maple, Matlab, etc. (I was doing my A-level projects in Maple when nobody else, including my teachers, had even heard of it) through my brother who attended the same university.</p><p>Every single mathematics-based lecture, for three entire years, I hand-wrote notes.  It's the only sensible way to do so.  There isn't a notation or shorthand that can cope with rapidly sketching down formulae (especially integrals, sums of series, etc.) and diagrams.  In some subjects, a simple diagram showing an angle, or a particular piece of geometry is invaluable and could takes hours to reproduce properly on a computer.  I know, because for the last ten years, I've worked for tuition centres, state and private schools and I'm often asked to professionally produce an electronic version of their course materials (99\% of the time mathematics because that's my speciality).</p><p>Don't waste your time, memory, money and brainpower - just take pad and pen, or use a touchscreen/tablet PC if you *insist* on using a computer.  When you're taking notes the last thing you want to be doing is taking down the mathematics like it's some kind of gospel.  There will be a million books on the subject where you can find the nuts and bolts of the process, but if you lose that "feel" of the mathematics that you can only get by watching someone apply it in front of your eyes, you'll never truly understand it.</p><p>The point of a lecture is to demonstrate and explain and give opportunity for questions (yes, ask questions... why does *nobody* ask questions in lectures?  It isn't forbidden, just don't waste everyone's time with trivialities!), you learn more in a ten minute lecture on a particular subject than you ever will by studying the materials from that lecture.  *Being* there, with the enthusiastic tutor, and the commentary they give, is what makes the mathematics explain itself.  Everything else is just paper-based memoranda of that lecture.  Someone, somewhere will be selling notes from that lecture.  I've taken copies of complete stranger's notes (with their permission) when I missed lectures for reasons beyond my control.  Notes are memory-aids only.  Wasting an immense amount of time recording them in such a fashion is to focus on the aesthetics of the tool, not the job you're doing with that tool.  All you're actually doing is writing the book that your lecturer learned from, you're not learning anything, and doing so at great expense.  Your concentration should be on the mathematics happening in front of you, not the paper in your hand or the computer under your fingers.</p><p>I often just sat in awe when I was in a lecture and watched the mathematics unfold in front of me, sketching only notes on the specifics.</p><p>Scribble notes.  If you have special needs, ask to video/record the lectures or for the lecturers to provide assistance afterwards (and complain to the highest authorities if they don't let you).  Then, study, study, study from your notes, your memory, your skills, and the vast wealth of materials on every subject imaginable.  Anyone can find out how to apply equation X to input Y, or read a book on graph theory or calculus, but advanced mathematics is more about the patterns and the art of being able to discover, use and apply that knowledge, not copy from rote from two-year-old notes.</p><p>I graduated.  Not a great grade but I was hitting a wall in my abilities in even the first year, a wall I've never been able to pass in the years since.  Some courses ran like water through my sieve of a brain, and some were just second nature (and still are).  But at no point did the actual taking of my notes interfere with</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- I hate writing , and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.- I was using computers way before anyone else in my school , I even took some of the lessons that I was supposed to be taught in ( the teacher found it easier that way ) .- I went to university to study Mathematics and Computing and had already had five years ( at least ) of proper exposure to things like Maple , Matlab , etc .
( I was doing my A-level projects in Maple when nobody else , including my teachers , had even heard of it ) through my brother who attended the same university.Every single mathematics-based lecture , for three entire years , I hand-wrote notes .
It 's the only sensible way to do so .
There is n't a notation or shorthand that can cope with rapidly sketching down formulae ( especially integrals , sums of series , etc .
) and diagrams .
In some subjects , a simple diagram showing an angle , or a particular piece of geometry is invaluable and could takes hours to reproduce properly on a computer .
I know , because for the last ten years , I 've worked for tuition centres , state and private schools and I 'm often asked to professionally produce an electronic version of their course materials ( 99 \ % of the time mathematics because that 's my speciality ) .Do n't waste your time , memory , money and brainpower - just take pad and pen , or use a touchscreen/tablet PC if you * insist * on using a computer .
When you 're taking notes the last thing you want to be doing is taking down the mathematics like it 's some kind of gospel .
There will be a million books on the subject where you can find the nuts and bolts of the process , but if you lose that " feel " of the mathematics that you can only get by watching someone apply it in front of your eyes , you 'll never truly understand it.The point of a lecture is to demonstrate and explain and give opportunity for questions ( yes , ask questions... why does * nobody * ask questions in lectures ?
It is n't forbidden , just do n't waste everyone 's time with trivialities !
) , you learn more in a ten minute lecture on a particular subject than you ever will by studying the materials from that lecture .
* Being * there , with the enthusiastic tutor , and the commentary they give , is what makes the mathematics explain itself .
Everything else is just paper-based memoranda of that lecture .
Someone , somewhere will be selling notes from that lecture .
I 've taken copies of complete stranger 's notes ( with their permission ) when I missed lectures for reasons beyond my control .
Notes are memory-aids only .
Wasting an immense amount of time recording them in such a fashion is to focus on the aesthetics of the tool , not the job you 're doing with that tool .
All you 're actually doing is writing the book that your lecturer learned from , you 're not learning anything , and doing so at great expense .
Your concentration should be on the mathematics happening in front of you , not the paper in your hand or the computer under your fingers.I often just sat in awe when I was in a lecture and watched the mathematics unfold in front of me , sketching only notes on the specifics.Scribble notes .
If you have special needs , ask to video/record the lectures or for the lecturers to provide assistance afterwards ( and complain to the highest authorities if they do n't let you ) .
Then , study , study , study from your notes , your memory , your skills , and the vast wealth of materials on every subject imaginable .
Anyone can find out how to apply equation X to input Y , or read a book on graph theory or calculus , but advanced mathematics is more about the patterns and the art of being able to discover , use and apply that knowledge , not copy from rote from two-year-old notes.I graduated .
Not a great grade but I was hitting a wall in my abilities in even the first year , a wall I 've never been able to pass in the years since .
Some courses ran like water through my sieve of a brain , and some were just second nature ( and still are ) .
But at no point did the actual taking of my notes interfere with</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- I hate writing, and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.- I was using computers way before anyone else in my school, I even took some of the lessons that I was supposed to be taught in (the teacher found it easier that way).- I went to university to study Mathematics and Computing and had already had five years (at least) of proper exposure to things like Maple, Matlab, etc.
(I was doing my A-level projects in Maple when nobody else, including my teachers, had even heard of it) through my brother who attended the same university.Every single mathematics-based lecture, for three entire years, I hand-wrote notes.
It's the only sensible way to do so.
There isn't a notation or shorthand that can cope with rapidly sketching down formulae (especially integrals, sums of series, etc.
) and diagrams.
In some subjects, a simple diagram showing an angle, or a particular piece of geometry is invaluable and could takes hours to reproduce properly on a computer.
I know, because for the last ten years, I've worked for tuition centres, state and private schools and I'm often asked to professionally produce an electronic version of their course materials (99\% of the time mathematics because that's my speciality).Don't waste your time, memory, money and brainpower - just take pad and pen, or use a touchscreen/tablet PC if you *insist* on using a computer.
When you're taking notes the last thing you want to be doing is taking down the mathematics like it's some kind of gospel.
There will be a million books on the subject where you can find the nuts and bolts of the process, but if you lose that "feel" of the mathematics that you can only get by watching someone apply it in front of your eyes, you'll never truly understand it.The point of a lecture is to demonstrate and explain and give opportunity for questions (yes, ask questions... why does *nobody* ask questions in lectures?
It isn't forbidden, just don't waste everyone's time with trivialities!
), you learn more in a ten minute lecture on a particular subject than you ever will by studying the materials from that lecture.
*Being* there, with the enthusiastic tutor, and the commentary they give, is what makes the mathematics explain itself.
Everything else is just paper-based memoranda of that lecture.
Someone, somewhere will be selling notes from that lecture.
I've taken copies of complete stranger's notes (with their permission) when I missed lectures for reasons beyond my control.
Notes are memory-aids only.
Wasting an immense amount of time recording them in such a fashion is to focus on the aesthetics of the tool, not the job you're doing with that tool.
All you're actually doing is writing the book that your lecturer learned from, you're not learning anything, and doing so at great expense.
Your concentration should be on the mathematics happening in front of you, not the paper in your hand or the computer under your fingers.I often just sat in awe when I was in a lecture and watched the mathematics unfold in front of me, sketching only notes on the specifics.Scribble notes.
If you have special needs, ask to video/record the lectures or for the lecturers to provide assistance afterwards (and complain to the highest authorities if they don't let you).
Then, study, study, study from your notes, your memory, your skills, and the vast wealth of materials on every subject imaginable.
Anyone can find out how to apply equation X to input Y, or read a book on graph theory or calculus, but advanced mathematics is more about the patterns and the art of being able to discover, use and apply that knowledge, not copy from rote from two-year-old notes.I graduated.
Not a great grade but I was hitting a wall in my abilities in even the first year, a wall I've never been able to pass in the years since.
Some courses ran like water through my sieve of a brain, and some were just second nature (and still are).
But at no point did the actual taking of my notes interfere with</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918967</id>
	<title>Digital note taker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256823060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have seen many different types of digital note takers that will store many pages of hand written notes. These are often stand alone devices that do not require a computer to input stuff. Then later you plug it into your computer and download the data. Many come with OCR software. Do a search on IOGEAR MOBILE DIGITAL SCRIBE for an example (note, I have not personally used any of these devices).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen many different types of digital note takers that will store many pages of hand written notes .
These are often stand alone devices that do not require a computer to input stuff .
Then later you plug it into your computer and download the data .
Many come with OCR software .
Do a search on IOGEAR MOBILE DIGITAL SCRIBE for an example ( note , I have not personally used any of these devices ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen many different types of digital note takers that will store many pages of hand written notes.
These are often stand alone devices that do not require a computer to input stuff.
Then later you plug it into your computer and download the data.
Many come with OCR software.
Do a search on IOGEAR MOBILE DIGITAL SCRIBE for an example (note, I have not personally used any of these devices).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916813</id>
	<title>Evernote and a camera?</title>
	<author>aitikin</author>
	<datestamp>1256812140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, a decent phone camera even.  Just get <a href="http://www.evernote.com/about/premium/" title="evernote.com" rel="nofollow">Evernote</a> [evernote.com] (differences between premium and free are listed on that page) and take notes by hand then upload them that way.  It's even (rather) searchable if your pendmenship is somewhat legible.  Just a thought.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , a decent phone camera even .
Just get Evernote [ evernote.com ] ( differences between premium and free are listed on that page ) and take notes by hand then upload them that way .
It 's even ( rather ) searchable if your pendmenship is somewhat legible .
Just a thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, a decent phone camera even.
Just get Evernote [evernote.com] (differences between premium and free are listed on that page) and take notes by hand then upload them that way.
It's even (rather) searchable if your pendmenship is somewhat legible.
Just a thought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922259</id>
	<title>I take math notes live in TeX ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...without much problems, thanks to an eight-level keyboard and less-then-you-think macros. Also I can write down most commutative diagram live. Take a look at <a href="http://poisson.phc.unipi.it/~maggiolo/index.php/how-to-take-lecture-notes-with-latex/" title="unipi.it" rel="nofollow">this page</a> [unipi.it] where I explain my method.</p><p>Additional pro is that the tex source are almost visually intelligible without compiling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...without much problems , thanks to an eight-level keyboard and less-then-you-think macros .
Also I can write down most commutative diagram live .
Take a look at this page [ unipi.it ] where I explain my method.Additional pro is that the tex source are almost visually intelligible without compiling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...without much problems, thanks to an eight-level keyboard and less-then-you-think macros.
Also I can write down most commutative diagram live.
Take a look at this page [unipi.it] where I explain my method.Additional pro is that the tex source are almost visually intelligible without compiling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918121</id>
	<title>Maple</title>
	<author>lie2me</author>
	<datestamp>1256818320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recommend it, neat and clear language, many packages use it as intermediate format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend it , neat and clear language , many packages use it as intermediate format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend it, neat and clear language, many packages use it as intermediate format.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29925157</id>
	<title>Re:Mac's Typography; in short: transcribe your not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256923020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are using a Mac, I recommend grapher. Type your equation in the input field at the top and then transfer into TextEdit via the clipboard.<br>Grapher is quite capable. It can pretty much produce arbitrary mathematical equations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are using a Mac , I recommend grapher .
Type your equation in the input field at the top and then transfer into TextEdit via the clipboard.Grapher is quite capable .
It can pretty much produce arbitrary mathematical equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are using a Mac, I recommend grapher.
Type your equation in the input field at the top and then transfer into TextEdit via the clipboard.Grapher is quite capable.
It can pretty much produce arbitrary mathematical equations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916479</id>
	<title>Another pencil/paper advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I managed through 3rd year maths with pen/paper. If you just can't handle using a pen for everything, what about just doing the slow-to-type equations on paper, giving them a number, then referencing that number in your notes. You then only need to type up the equations afterwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I managed through 3rd year maths with pen/paper .
If you just ca n't handle using a pen for everything , what about just doing the slow-to-type equations on paper , giving them a number , then referencing that number in your notes .
You then only need to type up the equations afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I managed through 3rd year maths with pen/paper.
If you just can't handle using a pen for everything, what about just doing the slow-to-type equations on paper, giving them a number, then referencing that number in your notes.
You then only need to type up the equations afterwards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918155</id>
	<title>Office 2007 is the answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256818440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Word 2007 has a hugely better equation input (including latex-like input).<br>See this post for information:<br>http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft\_office\_word/archive/2006/10/04/Equations-in-Word-2007.aspx</p><p>In a few months, Office 2010 will be out, which adds the same functionality to Onenote (which is one of the best note-taking apps around), as well as PowerPoint, for those times when you nede to present your data.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Word 2007 has a hugely better equation input ( including latex-like input ) .See this post for information : http : //blogs.msdn.com/microsoft \ _office \ _word/archive/2006/10/04/Equations-in-Word-2007.aspxIn a few months , Office 2010 will be out , which adds the same functionality to Onenote ( which is one of the best note-taking apps around ) , as well as PowerPoint , for those times when you nede to present your data .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Word 2007 has a hugely better equation input (including latex-like input).See this post for information:http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft\_office\_word/archive/2006/10/04/Equations-in-Word-2007.aspxIn a few months, Office 2010 will be out, which adds the same functionality to Onenote (which is one of the best note-taking apps around), as well as PowerPoint, for those times when you nede to present your data.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917081</id>
	<title>Scientific Notebook. Top of the line math editing.</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1256813220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used to work there. Honestly, you can't beat it for mathematics editing, graphing, etc. Saves in Latex if you want. Free trial downloads too if you want to give the tires a kick.</p><p><a href="http://www.mackichan.com/" title="mackichan.com">http://www.mackichan.com/</a> [mackichan.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used to work there .
Honestly , you ca n't beat it for mathematics editing , graphing , etc .
Saves in Latex if you want .
Free trial downloads too if you want to give the tires a kick.http : //www.mackichan.com/ [ mackichan.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used to work there.
Honestly, you can't beat it for mathematics editing, graphing, etc.
Saves in Latex if you want.
Free trial downloads too if you want to give the tires a kick.http://www.mackichan.com/ [mackichan.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915941</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1256809260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pencil/paper and transcription.  That way the knowlage is refreshed after the lecture and you hve a better chance of correcting what you took down if it was initially taken down in error because the content is fresh in your mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pencil/paper and transcription .
That way the knowlage is refreshed after the lecture and you hve a better chance of correcting what you took down if it was initially taken down in error because the content is fresh in your mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pencil/paper and transcription.
That way the knowlage is refreshed after the lecture and you hve a better chance of correcting what you took down if it was initially taken down in error because the content is fresh in your mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915865</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915991</id>
	<title>Pen, paper, TeX.</title>
	<author>zunger</author>
	<datestamp>1256809440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had this issue for years. Ultimately I never found anything within a factor of 5 for speed of simple pen and paper. The next best thing was LaTeX; with practice you can type that remarkably fast. (Especially if you pre-define macros relevant to whatever you're doing) The GUI-based solutions uniformly stank.</p><p>I've never found any system for digitizing handwritten equations; for a long time, my hope was that such software (preferably with LaTeX output) and a tablet would be a good solution. But the market for such things is small, and a few minutes of design work convinced me that implementing it was a lot more trouble than it would ever be worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had this issue for years .
Ultimately I never found anything within a factor of 5 for speed of simple pen and paper .
The next best thing was LaTeX ; with practice you can type that remarkably fast .
( Especially if you pre-define macros relevant to whatever you 're doing ) The GUI-based solutions uniformly stank.I 've never found any system for digitizing handwritten equations ; for a long time , my hope was that such software ( preferably with LaTeX output ) and a tablet would be a good solution .
But the market for such things is small , and a few minutes of design work convinced me that implementing it was a lot more trouble than it would ever be worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had this issue for years.
Ultimately I never found anything within a factor of 5 for speed of simple pen and paper.
The next best thing was LaTeX; with practice you can type that remarkably fast.
(Especially if you pre-define macros relevant to whatever you're doing) The GUI-based solutions uniformly stank.I've never found any system for digitizing handwritten equations; for a long time, my hope was that such software (preferably with LaTeX output) and a tablet would be a good solution.
But the market for such things is small, and a few minutes of design work convinced me that implementing it was a lot more trouble than it would ever be worth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916541</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With auctex math mode, you can enter \infty with " `I", which further speeds things up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With auctex math mode , you can enter \ infty with " ` I " , which further speeds things up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With auctex math mode, you can enter \infty with " `I", which further speeds things up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916179</id>
	<title>Livescribe Pulse</title>
	<author>mtrachtenberg</author>
	<datestamp>1256809980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Livescribe Pulse.  I've never used it but the advertising makes it look like just what you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Livescribe Pulse .
I 've never used it but the advertising makes it look like just what you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Livescribe Pulse.
I've never used it but the advertising makes it look like just what you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29973210</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257267120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't speak for anyone else here, but I think linux is garbage, and I would be *embarrassed* if someone even knew I was using it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't speak for anyone else here , but I think linux is garbage , and I would be * embarrassed * if someone even knew I was using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't speak for anyone else here, but I think linux is garbage, and I would be *embarrassed* if someone even knew I was using it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917173</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922879</id>
	<title>Re: How To Enter Equations Quickly In Class?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256912820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My suggestion will be pencil and paper... mark in ur soft copy notes the equation # and write the actual equation on ur notebook (paper based)... u can do the post processing of getting the eqn into ur soft copy notes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My suggestion will be pencil and paper... mark in ur soft copy notes the equation # and write the actual equation on ur notebook ( paper based ) ... u can do the post processing of getting the eqn into ur soft copy notes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My suggestion will be pencil and paper... mark in ur soft copy notes the equation # and write the actual equation on ur notebook (paper based)... u can do the post processing of getting the eqn into ur soft copy notes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29938785</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but...</p></div></blockquote><p>Their screwy side-effect happy CSS is just such an example.<br>
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	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems , but...Their screwy side-effect happy CSS is just such an example .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but...Their screwy side-effect happy CSS is just such an example.
     
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916099</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>ocean\_soul</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree. You should not be taking notes on the computer. It's much better to do it on paper and, if you really need it, digitize them later.

This coming from a former mathematical physics student, now teaching mathematical physics. So I do have (a lot of) experience with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
You should not be taking notes on the computer .
It 's much better to do it on paper and , if you really need it , digitize them later .
This coming from a former mathematical physics student , now teaching mathematical physics .
So I do have ( a lot of ) experience with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
You should not be taking notes on the computer.
It's much better to do it on paper and, if you really need it, digitize them later.
This coming from a former mathematical physics student, now teaching mathematical physics.
So I do have (a lot of) experience with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917145</id>
	<title>Livescribe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you considered LiveScribe?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you considered LiveScribe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you considered LiveScribe?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.30018006</id>
	<title>Org-Mode with CD-LATEX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257600360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Org-Mode for Emacs has pretty good <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html\_node/org/Embedded-LaTeX.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow"> LaTeX support</a> [gnu.org]. For one, it identifies equations automatically, so you can dispense with the $ signs. It also converts the formula to an image in the buffer, so you can see the actual math instead of markup. With CD-LATEX, it even offers tab completion of LaTeX templates.</p><p>Combined with Org-mode's export capabilities and hierarchial ordering, it's a pretty good tool to take notes with. I've handled a couple of physics classes with it, although I eventually reverted to pen and paper because I kept getting distracted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Org-Mode for Emacs has pretty good LaTeX support [ gnu.org ] .
For one , it identifies equations automatically , so you can dispense with the $ signs .
It also converts the formula to an image in the buffer , so you can see the actual math instead of markup .
With CD-LATEX , it even offers tab completion of LaTeX templates.Combined with Org-mode 's export capabilities and hierarchial ordering , it 's a pretty good tool to take notes with .
I 've handled a couple of physics classes with it , although I eventually reverted to pen and paper because I kept getting distracted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Org-Mode for Emacs has pretty good  LaTeX support [gnu.org].
For one, it identifies equations automatically, so you can dispense with the $ signs.
It also converts the formula to an image in the buffer, so you can see the actual math instead of markup.
With CD-LATEX, it even offers tab completion of LaTeX templates.Combined with Org-mode's export capabilities and hierarchial ordering, it's a pretty good tool to take notes with.
I've handled a couple of physics classes with it, although I eventually reverted to pen and paper because I kept getting distracted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916385</id>
	<title>Pencil and paper.</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1256810640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.7 mm or bigger pencil (forces you to write a little bigger which for me is also slightly faster and easier to read) on engineering paper.  (one of those green ruled pads with the lines on the *back* of the page).  When class is done, take your notes to the auto-feeding scanner/copier and scan them into a pdf.</p><p>That handles equations, diagrams, and regular notes.  Bonus: OCR on those things is usually good enough that you might be able to search for notes if there is enough actual text.  You can probably tag pages by inserting hidden text directly into the pdf somewhere, too.  PDF is a programming language, so I'm sure there are comment delimiters.</p><p>At the end you'll have a complete digital record with time-stamped files organized by class (I'm assuming you drop the files into a directory for each class).</p><p>You can always typeset the important stuff for pretty-printing later, and as a bonus you won't piss off your instructor with the steady clacking of laptop keys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a .7 mm or bigger pencil ( forces you to write a little bigger which for me is also slightly faster and easier to read ) on engineering paper .
( one of those green ruled pads with the lines on the * back * of the page ) .
When class is done , take your notes to the auto-feeding scanner/copier and scan them into a pdf.That handles equations , diagrams , and regular notes .
Bonus : OCR on those things is usually good enough that you might be able to search for notes if there is enough actual text .
You can probably tag pages by inserting hidden text directly into the pdf somewhere , too .
PDF is a programming language , so I 'm sure there are comment delimiters.At the end you 'll have a complete digital record with time-stamped files organized by class ( I 'm assuming you drop the files into a directory for each class ) .You can always typeset the important stuff for pretty-printing later , and as a bonus you wo n't piss off your instructor with the steady clacking of laptop keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a .7 mm or bigger pencil (forces you to write a little bigger which for me is also slightly faster and easier to read) on engineering paper.
(one of those green ruled pads with the lines on the *back* of the page).
When class is done, take your notes to the auto-feeding scanner/copier and scan them into a pdf.That handles equations, diagrams, and regular notes.
Bonus: OCR on those things is usually good enough that you might be able to search for notes if there is enough actual text.
You can probably tag pages by inserting hidden text directly into the pdf somewhere, too.
PDF is a programming language, so I'm sure there are comment delimiters.At the end you'll have a complete digital record with time-stamped files organized by class (I'm assuming you drop the files into a directory for each class).You can always typeset the important stuff for pretty-printing later, and as a bonus you won't piss off your instructor with the steady clacking of laptop keys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916771</id>
	<title>Use the paper tape on the calculator?</title>
	<author>microcars</author>
	<datestamp>1256811960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many people never bother to check out the built-in "Calculator" app in OSX<br>
click the VIEW menu for options like "paper tape" and you can use the scientific calculator part and record everything and then print it out or save it as a text file.
<br> <br>but I really like the previous suggestions for handwriting it out for now on paper...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people never bother to check out the built-in " Calculator " app in OSX click the VIEW menu for options like " paper tape " and you can use the scientific calculator part and record everything and then print it out or save it as a text file .
but I really like the previous suggestions for handwriting it out for now on paper.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people never bother to check out the built-in "Calculator" app in OSX
click the VIEW menu for options like "paper tape" and you can use the scientific calculator part and record everything and then print it out or save it as a text file.
but I really like the previous suggestions for handwriting it out for now on paper...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921981</id>
	<title>Re:Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>backwardMechanic</author>
	<datestamp>1256903100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best technology-based solution I've found is my old Fujitsu laptop with stylus and touchscreen. I can write equations, draw graphs and diagrams. I was very pleased with it. Then I realised it was almost as good as a pencil and paper, but not as fast or flexible. Now I use pencil and paper. Or a pen if I'm feeling confident.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best technology-based solution I 've found is my old Fujitsu laptop with stylus and touchscreen .
I can write equations , draw graphs and diagrams .
I was very pleased with it .
Then I realised it was almost as good as a pencil and paper , but not as fast or flexible .
Now I use pencil and paper .
Or a pen if I 'm feeling confident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best technology-based solution I've found is my old Fujitsu laptop with stylus and touchscreen.
I can write equations, draw graphs and diagrams.
I was very pleased with it.
Then I realised it was almost as good as a pencil and paper, but not as fast or flexible.
Now I use pencil and paper.
Or a pen if I'm feeling confident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916137</id>
	<title>Where "digitising" is taking a photo on your phone</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1256809860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or webcam.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or webcam .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or webcam.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916329</id>
	<title>Perhaps</title>
	<author>Laser Lou</author>
	<datestamp>1256810460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. you should stick with typing text, as you have been.  By translating those equations to text form, you may be helping yourself understand them better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. you should stick with typing text , as you have been .
By translating those equations to text form , you may be helping yourself understand them better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. you should stick with typing text, as you have been.
By translating those equations to text form, you may be helping yourself understand them better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917573</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>mako1138</author>
	<datestamp>1256815200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure this dude in my plasma physics class took notes in TeX. And this was the sort of class that fills up blackboards several times over the course of the period.</p><p>I should mention though that the guy who did this won the University Medal, which is awarded to the top graduating senior at UC Berkeley.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're joking , but I 'm pretty sure this dude in my plasma physics class took notes in TeX .
And this was the sort of class that fills up blackboards several times over the course of the period.I should mention though that the guy who did this won the University Medal , which is awarded to the top graduating senior at UC Berkeley .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure this dude in my plasma physics class took notes in TeX.
And this was the sort of class that fills up blackboards several times over the course of the period.I should mention though that the guy who did this won the University Medal, which is awarded to the top graduating senior at UC Berkeley.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921453</id>
	<title>Re:Math Software</title>
	<author>captjc</author>
	<datestamp>1256894460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my latter engineering and math classes, I spent a great deal of time in Octave and Maxima (more like a FOSS solution to Matlab and Maple) I found that I started to take notes in a Classic text editor and would write equations in either the code of what ever tool I was using (Octave / Matlab for the engineering courses and Maxima for symbolic equations and Math courses). The beauty of this is that you can easily run them in the program without the need to reformating them and the programs would put them in textbook / pretty-print  format for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my latter engineering and math classes , I spent a great deal of time in Octave and Maxima ( more like a FOSS solution to Matlab and Maple ) I found that I started to take notes in a Classic text editor and would write equations in either the code of what ever tool I was using ( Octave / Matlab for the engineering courses and Maxima for symbolic equations and Math courses ) .
The beauty of this is that you can easily run them in the program without the need to reformating them and the programs would put them in textbook / pretty-print format for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my latter engineering and math classes, I spent a great deal of time in Octave and Maxima (more like a FOSS solution to Matlab and Maple) I found that I started to take notes in a Classic text editor and would write equations in either the code of what ever tool I was using (Octave / Matlab for the engineering courses and Maxima for symbolic equations and Math courses).
The beauty of this is that you can easily run them in the program without the need to reformating them and the programs would put them in textbook / pretty-print  format for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921323</id>
	<title>Don't suppose it ever occurred to you...</title>
	<author>spike1</author>
	<datestamp>1256935620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To use a pen and notebook and then copy it into the computer AFTER the lecture?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To use a pen and notebook and then copy it into the computer AFTER the lecture ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To use a pen and notebook and then copy it into the computer AFTER the lecture?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916065</id>
	<title>openoffice math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>try openoffice math.  I usually do not install this program since my users do not need it, but it seems to be what you want.  If you are using windows I would try the version from go-oo.org.</p><p>I hope it helps</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>try openoffice math .
I usually do not install this program since my users do not need it , but it seems to be what you want .
If you are using windows I would try the version from go-oo.org.I hope it helps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>try openoffice math.
I usually do not install this program since my users do not need it, but it seems to be what you want.
If you are using windows I would try the version from go-oo.org.I hope it helps</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916821</id>
	<title>OpenOffice.org Math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenOffice.org Writer + Math. When you insert a formula into a normal document (Insert-&gt;Object-&gt;Formula), it brings up the OOo version of an equation editor, which seems easier to use than some others. You can type "f\_X(x) = int from -infinity to infinity f(x, y) dy" and it is displayed as a math equation. So you end up typing out the equation partially in words, like you have been doing, but you get normal looking equations in your notes. And since you are just typing (no mouse, tablet, etc.), it should be fairly fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice.org Writer + Math .
When you insert a formula into a normal document ( Insert- &gt; Object- &gt; Formula ) , it brings up the OOo version of an equation editor , which seems easier to use than some others .
You can type " f \ _X ( x ) = int from -infinity to infinity f ( x , y ) dy " and it is displayed as a math equation .
So you end up typing out the equation partially in words , like you have been doing , but you get normal looking equations in your notes .
And since you are just typing ( no mouse , tablet , etc .
) , it should be fairly fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice.org Writer + Math.
When you insert a formula into a normal document (Insert-&gt;Object-&gt;Formula), it brings up the OOo version of an equation editor, which seems easier to use than some others.
You can type "f\_X(x) = int from -infinity to infinity f(x, y) dy" and it is displayed as a math equation.
So you end up typing out the equation partially in words, like you have been doing, but you get normal looking equations in your notes.
And since you are just typing (no mouse, tablet, etc.
), it should be fairly fast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917625</id>
	<title>Pens and a large notebook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256815380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For learning math, not for mere calculations:<br>I never use separate papers any more, because after a week of intensive studying I can never put them in the right order.<br>I never use a pencil, it doesn't look well and it doesn't feel right.<br>Also I use multiple colors whenever possible.<br>A good notebook of your own is worth having, and nowadays you can always get computerized lecture notes from some of your classmates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For learning math , not for mere calculations : I never use separate papers any more , because after a week of intensive studying I can never put them in the right order.I never use a pencil , it does n't look well and it does n't feel right.Also I use multiple colors whenever possible.A good notebook of your own is worth having , and nowadays you can always get computerized lecture notes from some of your classmates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For learning math, not for mere calculations:I never use separate papers any more, because after a week of intensive studying I can never put them in the right order.I never use a pencil, it doesn't look well and it doesn't feel right.Also I use multiple colors whenever possible.A good notebook of your own is worth having, and nowadays you can always get computerized lecture notes from some of your classmates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919075</id>
	<title>Openoffice formula</title>
	<author>Wayne247</author>
	<datestamp>1256823780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using my laptop for a few years at university classes, and always found that the Formula object in Openoffice Writer is perfect for my needs.</p><p>The downside is you have a learn the names for your most popular symbols or operators in your equations, but learning it is quick and once you know it, it's possible to type in formulas about as fast as the teacher writes them on the whiteboard.</p><p>Perhaps your courses require so MUCH equations that this will not be a practical solution, but for the few mathematics classes i've had, it was fine. I could keep up, and they look gorgeous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using my laptop for a few years at university classes , and always found that the Formula object in Openoffice Writer is perfect for my needs.The downside is you have a learn the names for your most popular symbols or operators in your equations , but learning it is quick and once you know it , it 's possible to type in formulas about as fast as the teacher writes them on the whiteboard.Perhaps your courses require so MUCH equations that this will not be a practical solution , but for the few mathematics classes i 've had , it was fine .
I could keep up , and they look gorgeous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using my laptop for a few years at university classes, and always found that the Formula object in Openoffice Writer is perfect for my needs.The downside is you have a learn the names for your most popular symbols or operators in your equations, but learning it is quick and once you know it, it's possible to type in formulas about as fast as the teacher writes them on the whiteboard.Perhaps your courses require so MUCH equations that this will not be a practical solution, but for the few mathematics classes i've had, it was fine.
I could keep up, and they look gorgeous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29936875</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The great thing here is that you don't have to screw up your notes by hand anymore. The input panel will screw them up for you: http://www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mathinput2.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The great thing here is that you do n't have to screw up your notes by hand anymore .
The input panel will screw them up for you : http : //www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mathinput2.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The great thing here is that you don't have to screw up your notes by hand anymore.
The input panel will screw them up for you: http://www.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mathinput2.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921487</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>kauttapiste</author>
	<datestamp>1256894940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's actually pretty cool, I didn't know that.</p><p>As I'm running Win7 at work so I just had to give this a go. With my mousing skills it takes quite a while to get the equation right. I would imagine it's very difficult to use that on a netbook. A factor slower than pen and paper anyway. For transferring your math from paper to computer I can see good use for this, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's actually pretty cool , I did n't know that.As I 'm running Win7 at work so I just had to give this a go .
With my mousing skills it takes quite a while to get the equation right .
I would imagine it 's very difficult to use that on a netbook .
A factor slower than pen and paper anyway .
For transferring your math from paper to computer I can see good use for this , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's actually pretty cool, I didn't know that.As I'm running Win7 at work so I just had to give this a go.
With my mousing skills it takes quite a while to get the equation right.
I would imagine it's very difficult to use that on a netbook.
A factor slower than pen and paper anyway.
For transferring your math from paper to computer I can see good use for this, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916413</id>
	<title>Openoffice Writer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OOWriter has an equation editor that works by typing in command sequences like the example.</p><p>f(x) = int from -infinity to infinity {f(x) dy}</p><p>http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors\_User\_Manual/Writer\_Guide/Math\_commands\_-\_Reference</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OOWriter has an equation editor that works by typing in command sequences like the example.f ( x ) = int from -infinity to infinity { f ( x ) dy } http : //wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors \ _User \ _Manual/Writer \ _Guide/Math \ _commands \ _- \ _Reference</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OOWriter has an equation editor that works by typing in command sequences like the example.f(x) = int from -infinity to infinity {f(x) dy}http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors\_User\_Manual/Writer\_Guide/Math\_commands\_-\_Reference</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918597</id>
	<title>What's new is old</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1256821380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but sometimes simpler is better.</p></div><p>And sometimes taking notes on a computer is simpler than recording them in a dead-tree notebook.</p><p>I'm not a student, but I do take a lot of notes as a technical writer. When you have as many notes as I do, having them in online form can be a lifesaver. Not only are they easily searchable, but the disorganization that creeps in when you're taking them (you're more concerned about getting all the facts down than about keeping your notebook in order) can be easily remedied.</p><p>You can, of course, take notes on paper and transfer them to computer later. (That's an obvious solution if you're recording math or diagrams, and don't have a tablet computer.) But that takes extra time, and if you're busy you may well forget to do it. And then some crucial piece of information exists only on a piece of paper you can't find.</p><p>The question here is not "is this technological overkill?" The question you need to ask is, "what works for me?" If you're good at keeping (and <i>using</i>) pencil-and-paper notes, fine, do that. But not all of us are. For us, the high-tech solution makes sense.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems , but sometimes simpler is better.And sometimes taking notes on a computer is simpler than recording them in a dead-tree notebook.I 'm not a student , but I do take a lot of notes as a technical writer .
When you have as many notes as I do , having them in online form can be a lifesaver .
Not only are they easily searchable , but the disorganization that creeps in when you 're taking them ( you 're more concerned about getting all the facts down than about keeping your notebook in order ) can be easily remedied.You can , of course , take notes on paper and transfer them to computer later .
( That 's an obvious solution if you 're recording math or diagrams , and do n't have a tablet computer .
) But that takes extra time , and if you 're busy you may well forget to do it .
And then some crucial piece of information exists only on a piece of paper you ca n't find.The question here is not " is this technological overkill ?
" The question you need to ask is , " what works for me ?
" If you 're good at keeping ( and using ) pencil-and-paper notes , fine , do that .
But not all of us are .
For us , the high-tech solution makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand slashdot loves to use fancy technology to solve simple problems, but sometimes simpler is better.And sometimes taking notes on a computer is simpler than recording them in a dead-tree notebook.I'm not a student, but I do take a lot of notes as a technical writer.
When you have as many notes as I do, having them in online form can be a lifesaver.
Not only are they easily searchable, but the disorganization that creeps in when you're taking them (you're more concerned about getting all the facts down than about keeping your notebook in order) can be easily remedied.You can, of course, take notes on paper and transfer them to computer later.
(That's an obvious solution if you're recording math or diagrams, and don't have a tablet computer.
) But that takes extra time, and if you're busy you may well forget to do it.
And then some crucial piece of information exists only on a piece of paper you can't find.The question here is not "is this technological overkill?
" The question you need to ask is, "what works for me?
" If you're good at keeping (and using) pencil-and-paper notes, fine, do that.
But not all of us are.
For us, the high-tech solution makes sense.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921357</id>
	<title>Re:Pulse Smart Pen</title>
	<author>7 digits</author>
	<datestamp>1256936220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is another issue with the Pulse Smartpen: the software is a steaming piece of shit. For instance, if anybody draws a huge penis on the first page of your notebook, you'll stare at it until the end of the year, because you can't delete pages.</p><p>And that is just one among many many many issues.</p><p>Great hardware. Failed software execution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is another issue with the Pulse Smartpen : the software is a steaming piece of shit .
For instance , if anybody draws a huge penis on the first page of your notebook , you 'll stare at it until the end of the year , because you ca n't delete pages.And that is just one among many many many issues.Great hardware .
Failed software execution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is another issue with the Pulse Smartpen: the software is a steaming piece of shit.
For instance, if anybody draws a huge penis on the first page of your notebook, you'll stare at it until the end of the year, because you can't delete pages.And that is just one among many many many issues.Great hardware.
Failed software execution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29928095</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256936280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are some vociferous comments considering what the above poster is saying.  The idea is not to stop people from writing, rather to get them writing the important stuff.  It becomes an exercise not in copying word for word what is written, but rather in understanding what is written and taking notes on what is said.  As a student, I would rather spend class time listening and participating in lecture discussion, making note of important comments, or writing things that enhance my understanding.  Why should I spend valuable class time copying text when it can be made available to me?  I would think this opens option for individual learning styles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are some vociferous comments considering what the above poster is saying .
The idea is not to stop people from writing , rather to get them writing the important stuff .
It becomes an exercise not in copying word for word what is written , but rather in understanding what is written and taking notes on what is said .
As a student , I would rather spend class time listening and participating in lecture discussion , making note of important comments , or writing things that enhance my understanding .
Why should I spend valuable class time copying text when it can be made available to me ?
I would think this opens option for individual learning styles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are some vociferous comments considering what the above poster is saying.
The idea is not to stop people from writing, rather to get them writing the important stuff.
It becomes an exercise not in copying word for word what is written, but rather in understanding what is written and taking notes on what is said.
As a student, I would rather spend class time listening and participating in lecture discussion, making note of important comments, or writing things that enhance my understanding.
Why should I spend valuable class time copying text when it can be made available to me?
I would think this opens option for individual learning styles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916023</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using the LiveScribe PulsePen - it works pretty well, but it won't do a good job of translating your scribbles to text.  It has some text search. But the cool thing is it records your professor's voice and syncs it with your notes.  Check it out http://www.livescribe.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using the LiveScribe PulsePen - it works pretty well , but it wo n't do a good job of translating your scribbles to text .
It has some text search .
But the cool thing is it records your professor 's voice and syncs it with your notes .
Check it out http : //www.livescribe.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using the LiveScribe PulsePen - it works pretty well, but it won't do a good job of translating your scribbles to text.
It has some text search.
But the cool thing is it records your professor's voice and syncs it with your notes.
Check it out http://www.livescribe.com/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916487</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Other solutions that solve poster's problem without answering his quesiton:<br>
<br>
1.  Memorize as you go.<br>
2.  Screw lecture, just watch Square One.<br>
3.  Have friend audio-record lectures then have other friend convert them to notes then photocopy friend's notes and use OCR.<br>
4.  Drop out of school.<br>
5.  Prove the Reimann Hypothesis and skip right to that PhD.<br>
6.  Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture, giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX. <br>
7.  Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking.<br>
8.  ???<br>
9.  Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all<br>
<br>
Wait... What were we talking about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Other solutions that solve poster 's problem without answering his quesiton : 1 .
Memorize as you go .
2. Screw lecture , just watch Square One .
3. Have friend audio-record lectures then have other friend convert them to notes then photocopy friend 's notes and use OCR .
4. Drop out of school .
5. Prove the Reimann Hypothesis and skip right to that PhD .
6. Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture , giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX .
7. Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking .
8. ? ? ?
9. Dear aunt , let 's set so double the killer delete select all Wait... What were we talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other solutions that solve poster's problem without answering his quesiton:

1.
Memorize as you go.
2.  Screw lecture, just watch Square One.
3.  Have friend audio-record lectures then have other friend convert them to notes then photocopy friend's notes and use OCR.
4.  Drop out of school.
5.  Prove the Reimann Hypothesis and skip right to that PhD.
6.  Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture, giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX.
7.  Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking.
8.  ???
9.  Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all

Wait... What were we talking about?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920869</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256841660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in college, we used a P.E.N.  It worked reasonably dependably, was inexpensive, didn't run out of batteries and used up very little space on the desk.  We used it with P.A.P.E.R, which is a lot like a LCD screen, except that the blurriness that occurs when you press your thumb on where you've written would only happen if you'd written recently. After the pixels had been on the paper a while they would become permanent. You could also play games with it.  My favorite was tossing them up so they'd stick in the acoustical tile in the ceiling.  There were also fun games with drawing space battles and one can hardly forget the fun you could have firing small paper projectiles through the casing.</p><p>In the second semester of my first year, a friend introduced me to the idea of recopying my notes for clarity in your spare time after class.  This is something akin to printing out your notes, except that instead of committing them to paper, it helped commit them to brain.  This proved useful later when the test came along.  I'm not quite sure if college is still about learning, or just mastering unnecessarily complicated tool chains --- it is difficult to say these days which offers the better early life lessons --  but if college is still about learning (and beer, no doubt) then I'd suggest the P.E.N. approach. You can recopy your notes into TEX later if you want.</p><p>Can you get an "A" for typesetting these days?  When I was in high school it was thought that the glossy bound report was the surest to win the teacher's heart, but I can't say there was a rigorous double blind study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in college , we used a P.E.N .
It worked reasonably dependably , was inexpensive , did n't run out of batteries and used up very little space on the desk .
We used it with P.A.P.E.R , which is a lot like a LCD screen , except that the blurriness that occurs when you press your thumb on where you 've written would only happen if you 'd written recently .
After the pixels had been on the paper a while they would become permanent .
You could also play games with it .
My favorite was tossing them up so they 'd stick in the acoustical tile in the ceiling .
There were also fun games with drawing space battles and one can hardly forget the fun you could have firing small paper projectiles through the casing.In the second semester of my first year , a friend introduced me to the idea of recopying my notes for clarity in your spare time after class .
This is something akin to printing out your notes , except that instead of committing them to paper , it helped commit them to brain .
This proved useful later when the test came along .
I 'm not quite sure if college is still about learning , or just mastering unnecessarily complicated tool chains --- it is difficult to say these days which offers the better early life lessons -- but if college is still about learning ( and beer , no doubt ) then I 'd suggest the P.E.N .
approach. You can recopy your notes into TEX later if you want.Can you get an " A " for typesetting these days ?
When I was in high school it was thought that the glossy bound report was the surest to win the teacher 's heart , but I ca n't say there was a rigorous double blind study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in college, we used a P.E.N.
It worked reasonably dependably, was inexpensive, didn't run out of batteries and used up very little space on the desk.
We used it with P.A.P.E.R, which is a lot like a LCD screen, except that the blurriness that occurs when you press your thumb on where you've written would only happen if you'd written recently.
After the pixels had been on the paper a while they would become permanent.
You could also play games with it.
My favorite was tossing them up so they'd stick in the acoustical tile in the ceiling.
There were also fun games with drawing space battles and one can hardly forget the fun you could have firing small paper projectiles through the casing.In the second semester of my first year, a friend introduced me to the idea of recopying my notes for clarity in your spare time after class.
This is something akin to printing out your notes, except that instead of committing them to paper, it helped commit them to brain.
This proved useful later when the test came along.
I'm not quite sure if college is still about learning, or just mastering unnecessarily complicated tool chains --- it is difficult to say these days which offers the better early life lessons --  but if college is still about learning (and beer, no doubt) then I'd suggest the P.E.N.
approach. You can recopy your notes into TEX later if you want.Can you get an "A" for typesetting these days?
When I was in high school it was thought that the glossy bound report was the surest to win the teacher's heart, but I can't say there was a rigorous double blind study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929455</id>
	<title>Lazy-ass.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256900940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a fucking pencil. Name one advantage that note-taking on a computer has over pencil and paper for the average (read: you) student.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a fucking pencil .
Name one advantage that note-taking on a computer has over pencil and paper for the average ( read : you ) student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a fucking pencil.
Name one advantage that note-taking on a computer has over pencil and paper for the average (read: you) student.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917139</id>
	<title>Was a math major undergrad, took notes on lappy</title>
	<author>SeePage87</author>
	<datestamp>1256813460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the time I used straight LaTeX, but I made it work.  The trick was to get a good editor and set up keyboard shortcuts for common things to blaze through the process quicker.  Add on top of that a bunch of renaming functions in the preamble to save keystrokes for other common actions and keeping up isn't much of a problem.</p><p>
That being said, I'm going to cast my vote for Lyx because you can still do all I suggested above, but it greatly aids in building tables, matrices, and other things that'll slow you down a bit.  And don't be afraid to use shorthand that won't format properly when necessary, as long as you know what it says you can always fix it after class or during a lull in the lecture; I find this typically takes less than 5 min.  And use lots of white space.  And reconsider what the best way to keep notes is; when you have a medium with the flexibility of files, folders, etc, I find it's usually better to take notes by topic instead of chronology of when it is said.
</p><p>
Funny story, took notes all semester for my stat class that way and we got to use 1 page of notes for the final.  About 20-30 minutes of copy/paste-ing gave me every equation we used, qualitative descriptions of what they do and when to use them, and a whole host of other useful stuff.  Never studied beyond doing my homework (which I only did most of the time) but I got a 297 out of 300, highest grade in a class of ~150 and about half a standard deviation above the next highest score...
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the time I used straight LaTeX , but I made it work .
The trick was to get a good editor and set up keyboard shortcuts for common things to blaze through the process quicker .
Add on top of that a bunch of renaming functions in the preamble to save keystrokes for other common actions and keeping up is n't much of a problem .
That being said , I 'm going to cast my vote for Lyx because you can still do all I suggested above , but it greatly aids in building tables , matrices , and other things that 'll slow you down a bit .
And do n't be afraid to use shorthand that wo n't format properly when necessary , as long as you know what it says you can always fix it after class or during a lull in the lecture ; I find this typically takes less than 5 min .
And use lots of white space .
And reconsider what the best way to keep notes is ; when you have a medium with the flexibility of files , folders , etc , I find it 's usually better to take notes by topic instead of chronology of when it is said .
Funny story , took notes all semester for my stat class that way and we got to use 1 page of notes for the final .
About 20-30 minutes of copy/paste-ing gave me every equation we used , qualitative descriptions of what they do and when to use them , and a whole host of other useful stuff .
Never studied beyond doing my homework ( which I only did most of the time ) but I got a 297 out of 300 , highest grade in a class of ~ 150 and about half a standard deviation above the next highest score.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the time I used straight LaTeX, but I made it work.
The trick was to get a good editor and set up keyboard shortcuts for common things to blaze through the process quicker.
Add on top of that a bunch of renaming functions in the preamble to save keystrokes for other common actions and keeping up isn't much of a problem.
That being said, I'm going to cast my vote for Lyx because you can still do all I suggested above, but it greatly aids in building tables, matrices, and other things that'll slow you down a bit.
And don't be afraid to use shorthand that won't format properly when necessary, as long as you know what it says you can always fix it after class or during a lull in the lecture; I find this typically takes less than 5 min.
And use lots of white space.
And reconsider what the best way to keep notes is; when you have a medium with the flexibility of files, folders, etc, I find it's usually better to take notes by topic instead of chronology of when it is said.
Funny story, took notes all semester for my stat class that way and we got to use 1 page of notes for the final.
About 20-30 minutes of copy/paste-ing gave me every equation we used, qualitative descriptions of what they do and when to use them, and a whole host of other useful stuff.
Never studied beyond doing my homework (which I only did most of the time) but I got a 297 out of 300, highest grade in a class of ~150 and about half a standard deviation above the next highest score...
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916643</id>
	<title>straight LaTeX is JUST FINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took notes for a 2-term course in differential geometry using LaTeX, it worked fine.  I drew pictures in XFig. I actually paid for my laptop by selling the notes back to the instructor after the class was done!</p><p>Basically I used ZERO technology; every time I tried to use something clever it just slowed me down.  My main tricks were</p><p>1) use a syntax-highlighting editor<br>2) make sure the document always compiles<br>3) write a couple perl or python scripts to do slow things (like entering matrices or commutative diagrams)<br>4) try not to use too many macros. Just learn the names of all the symbols.</p><p>Your example,</p><p>f\_X(x) = \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x,y) \;dy</p><p>really only takes a couple seconds to type if you don't hesitate.  You can catch up on any lost time when the instructor is writing sentences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took notes for a 2-term course in differential geometry using LaTeX , it worked fine .
I drew pictures in XFig .
I actually paid for my laptop by selling the notes back to the instructor after the class was done ! Basically I used ZERO technology ; every time I tried to use something clever it just slowed me down .
My main tricks were1 ) use a syntax-highlighting editor2 ) make sure the document always compiles3 ) write a couple perl or python scripts to do slow things ( like entering matrices or commutative diagrams ) 4 ) try not to use too many macros .
Just learn the names of all the symbols.Your example,f \ _X ( x ) = \ int \ _ { - \ infty } ^ { \ infty } f ( x,y ) \ ; dyreally only takes a couple seconds to type if you do n't hesitate .
You can catch up on any lost time when the instructor is writing sentences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took notes for a 2-term course in differential geometry using LaTeX, it worked fine.
I drew pictures in XFig.
I actually paid for my laptop by selling the notes back to the instructor after the class was done!Basically I used ZERO technology; every time I tried to use something clever it just slowed me down.
My main tricks were1) use a syntax-highlighting editor2) make sure the document always compiles3) write a couple perl or python scripts to do slow things (like entering matrices or commutative diagrams)4) try not to use too many macros.
Just learn the names of all the symbols.Your example,f\_X(x) = \int\_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x,y) \;dyreally only takes a couple seconds to type if you don't hesitate.
You can catch up on any lost time when the instructor is writing sentences.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916723</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One problem with hand written notes is that I don't like reading my own handwriting.  Sure you could type them later, but I think the submitter wants to find a way to save time and just take the notes once.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with hand written notes is that I do n't like reading my own handwriting .
Sure you could type them later , but I think the submitter wants to find a way to save time and just take the notes once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with hand written notes is that I don't like reading my own handwriting.
Sure you could type them later, but I think the submitter wants to find a way to save time and just take the notes once.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921667</id>
	<title>Re:Scientific Notebook. Top of the line math editi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256897520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to agree. Last semester my math prof hired me to take notes in his Cal 3 class and I used Scientific Notebook. Once I learned all the keyboard shortcuts I was able to keep up in realtime. It is very intuitive and makes a lot of sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree .
Last semester my math prof hired me to take notes in his Cal 3 class and I used Scientific Notebook .
Once I learned all the keyboard shortcuts I was able to keep up in realtime .
It is very intuitive and makes a lot of sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree.
Last semester my math prof hired me to take notes in his Cal 3 class and I used Scientific Notebook.
Once I learned all the keyboard shortcuts I was able to keep up in realtime.
It is very intuitive and makes a lot of sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916221</id>
	<title>Pulse Smart Pen</title>
	<author>frankmu</author>
	<datestamp>1256810100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>livescribe.com sells the Pulse Smart Pen.  It can also  record the lecture while transcribing your handwriting.  the best thing however, is to get last years notes, and bring it with you.  then you can read along.  professors usually have the same script year after year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>livescribe.com sells the Pulse Smart Pen .
It can also record the lecture while transcribing your handwriting .
the best thing however , is to get last years notes , and bring it with you .
then you can read along .
professors usually have the same script year after year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>livescribe.com sells the Pulse Smart Pen.
It can also  record the lecture while transcribing your handwriting.
the best thing however, is to get last years notes, and bring it with you.
then you can read along.
professors usually have the same script year after year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918475</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1256820660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've forbidden note taking in some of my classes. I hand out copies of material not in the book. But when I lecture, I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to. If someone's trying to write what I say, their attention and working memory is so divided that they can't be picking up much of anything.</p></div><p>I commend you greatly for that and think it's a wonderful idea, but I don't know about *forbidding* note-taking. There are some people (not me, but some people) for whom information sticks much better if they go through the motions of writing it down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've forbidden note taking in some of my classes .
I hand out copies of material not in the book .
But when I lecture , I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to .
If someone 's trying to write what I say , their attention and working memory is so divided that they ca n't be picking up much of anything.I commend you greatly for that and think it 's a wonderful idea , but I do n't know about * forbidding * note-taking .
There are some people ( not me , but some people ) for whom information sticks much better if they go through the motions of writing it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've forbidden note taking in some of my classes.
I hand out copies of material not in the book.
But when I lecture, I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to.
If someone's trying to write what I say, their attention and working memory is so divided that they can't be picking up much of anything.I commend you greatly for that and think it's a wonderful idea, but I don't know about *forbidding* note-taking.
There are some people (not me, but some people) for whom information sticks much better if they go through the motions of writing it down.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916731</id>
	<title>use ASCIIMath</title>
	<author>purefrosting</author>
	<datestamp>1256811900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.wjagray.co.uk/maths/ASCIIMathTutorial.html" title="wjagray.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.wjagray.co.uk/maths/ASCIIMathTutorial.html</a> [wjagray.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.wjagray.co.uk/maths/ASCIIMathTutorial.html [ wjagray.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.wjagray.co.uk/maths/ASCIIMathTutorial.html [wjagray.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922633</id>
	<title>The Answer</title>
	<author>hightech22</author>
	<datestamp>1256911260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I got just the thing.

It's called Microsoft Courier..and hopefully it will be available first quarter next year.

<a href="http://gizmodo.com/5369493/leaked-courier-video-shows-how-well-actually-use-it" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/5369493/leaked-courier-video-shows-how-well-actually-use-it</a> [gizmodo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I got just the thing .
It 's called Microsoft Courier..and hopefully it will be available first quarter next year .
http : //gizmodo.com/5369493/leaked-courier-video-shows-how-well-actually-use-it [ gizmodo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I got just the thing.
It's called Microsoft Courier..and hopefully it will be available first quarter next year.
http://gizmodo.com/5369493/leaked-courier-video-shows-how-well-actually-use-it [gizmodo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922137</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256905680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>6.  Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture, giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX.</p></div><p>If you can find a plant that can talk, I think you can skip from college to millionaire pretty quickly. That's assuming you don't accidentally smoke the plant first.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 .
Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture , giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX.If you can find a plant that can talk , I think you can skip from college to millionaire pretty quickly .
That 's assuming you do n't accidentally smoke the plant first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6.
Hire a plant to continually ask inane questions during lecture, giving you more time to input those equations in LaTeX.If you can find a plant that can talk, I think you can skip from college to millionaire pretty quickly.
That's assuming you don't accidentally smoke the plant first.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916591</id>
	<title>Learn Shorthand</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1256811480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)"</p><p>Why not type it fXy=intgrl -inf,inf,fx,ydy... omit a lot of your structure and unnecessary letters and typing equations becomes much quicker.  If you're actually going back and looking at them later you can fill it out a bit with parentheses where appropriate, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" f \ _X ( x ) = integral ( -infinity , infinity , f ( x,y ) dy ) " Why not type it fXy = intgrl -inf,inf,fx,ydy... omit a lot of your structure and unnecessary letters and typing equations becomes much quicker .
If you 're actually going back and looking at them later you can fill it out a bit with parentheses where appropriate , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)"Why not type it fXy=intgrl -inf,inf,fx,ydy... omit a lot of your structure and unnecessary letters and typing equations becomes much quicker.
If you're actually going back and looking at them later you can fill it out a bit with parentheses where appropriate, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923381</id>
	<title>On Mac and Windows I use</title>
	<author>Domini</author>
	<datestamp>1256915820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft Graph or Equation Editor works well once you get over the fact that's it's MS.</p><p>Or what about Apple's Grapher?</p><p>They all make typing in equations easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Graph or Equation Editor works well once you get over the fact that 's it 's MS.Or what about Apple 's Grapher ? They all make typing in equations easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Graph or Equation Editor works well once you get over the fact that's it's MS.Or what about Apple's Grapher?They all make typing in equations easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920891</id>
	<title>Paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, typing equations involves a certain amount of mental effort, as it is something which (at least for me) is not a familiar enough process as compared to writing, in which I have had so much practice, that it is a subconscious process that does not require effort. I think this lack of effort leads to more focus and reflection on the subject matter and aids understanding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , typing equations involves a certain amount of mental effort , as it is something which ( at least for me ) is not a familiar enough process as compared to writing , in which I have had so much practice , that it is a subconscious process that does not require effort .
I think this lack of effort leads to more focus and reflection on the subject matter and aids understanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, typing equations involves a certain amount of mental effort, as it is something which (at least for me) is not a familiar enough process as compared to writing, in which I have had so much practice, that it is a subconscious process that does not require effort.
I think this lack of effort leads to more focus and reflection on the subject matter and aids understanding.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29927203</id>
	<title>Re:OpenOffice.org</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256932140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's what I do in Probability &amp; Statistics. The worst part is doing combinations. I can't just do "( X over Y )" because A, the parens don't stretch and B, there's a divisor in there where there shouldn't be. So, I have to do "left ( binom{X}{Y} right )" or "left ( stack {X#Y} right )". It's ugly, but it gets the job done.</p><p>Another problem I've just run into today is where you want to indicate that the expression is to be evaluated from A to B. You want a stretching vertical bar on the right with A to the right of the top and B to the right of the bottom. I haven't found a way to do that in a visually pleasing manner. Likewise, a piecewise function where you want a verticly stretching { on the left but no matching } on the right is not possible.</p><p>Aside from those, I find entering OOo Math Formulas pretty intuitive and quick. I'm able to keep up with MY professor anyway. I remapped the F2 key to be the Insert Formula function under Tools  Customize  Keyboard. You have to choose the second Formula to get the Math Formula. This way, I can either drop straight into Math editting and see the syntax get WYSIWYGed in near real time, or just enter the syntax and then CTRL+SHIFT+RTARROW to high light everything just typed and then F2 it into rendered Math.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's what I do in Probability &amp; Statistics .
The worst part is doing combinations .
I ca n't just do " ( X over Y ) " because A , the parens do n't stretch and B , there 's a divisor in there where there should n't be .
So , I have to do " left ( binom { X } { Y } right ) " or " left ( stack { X # Y } right ) " .
It 's ugly , but it gets the job done.Another problem I 've just run into today is where you want to indicate that the expression is to be evaluated from A to B. You want a stretching vertical bar on the right with A to the right of the top and B to the right of the bottom .
I have n't found a way to do that in a visually pleasing manner .
Likewise , a piecewise function where you want a verticly stretching { on the left but no matching } on the right is not possible.Aside from those , I find entering OOo Math Formulas pretty intuitive and quick .
I 'm able to keep up with MY professor anyway .
I remapped the F2 key to be the Insert Formula function under Tools Customize Keyboard .
You have to choose the second Formula to get the Math Formula .
This way , I can either drop straight into Math editting and see the syntax get WYSIWYGed in near real time , or just enter the syntax and then CTRL + SHIFT + RTARROW to high light everything just typed and then F2 it into rendered Math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's what I do in Probability &amp; Statistics.
The worst part is doing combinations.
I can't just do "( X over Y )" because A, the parens don't stretch and B, there's a divisor in there where there shouldn't be.
So, I have to do "left ( binom{X}{Y} right )" or "left ( stack {X#Y} right )".
It's ugly, but it gets the job done.Another problem I've just run into today is where you want to indicate that the expression is to be evaluated from A to B. You want a stretching vertical bar on the right with A to the right of the top and B to the right of the bottom.
I haven't found a way to do that in a visually pleasing manner.
Likewise, a piecewise function where you want a verticly stretching { on the left but no matching } on the right is not possible.Aside from those, I find entering OOo Math Formulas pretty intuitive and quick.
I'm able to keep up with MY professor anyway.
I remapped the F2 key to be the Insert Formula function under Tools  Customize  Keyboard.
You have to choose the second Formula to get the Math Formula.
This way, I can either drop straight into Math editting and see the syntax get WYSIWYGed in near real time, or just enter the syntax and then CTRL+SHIFT+RTARROW to high light everything just typed and then F2 it into rendered Math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921641</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1256897100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can write all that you want while studying at home. You will have less mistakes if you have the teacher's notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can write all that you want while studying at home .
You will have less mistakes if you have the teacher 's notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can write all that you want while studying at home.
You will have less mistakes if you have the teacher's notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916447</id>
	<title>No luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect you're screwed&mdash;get a pad of paper or a tablet. Any gui option is hopeless. I'm very proficient and took LaTeX notes with running equations in one course, but when I was in college, but only because it was a breeze for me; if I had to pay attention and do it I think I'd have been toast. Figures are even worse.</p><p>Sorry, but I don't think anyone's going to have a good solution here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect you 're screwed    get a pad of paper or a tablet .
Any gui option is hopeless .
I 'm very proficient and took LaTeX notes with running equations in one course , but when I was in college , but only because it was a breeze for me ; if I had to pay attention and do it I think I 'd have been toast .
Figures are even worse.Sorry , but I do n't think anyone 's going to have a good solution here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect you're screwed—get a pad of paper or a tablet.
Any gui option is hopeless.
I'm very proficient and took LaTeX notes with running equations in one course, but when I was in college, but only because it was a breeze for me; if I had to pay attention and do it I think I'd have been toast.
Figures are even worse.Sorry, but I don't think anyone's going to have a good solution here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916081</id>
	<title>raw LaTeX is fine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use LaTeX in vim, without any scripts. It takes a bit of practicing but I don't have to wonder where my cursor gets and why it jumps whereever it wants. That's quite annoying in Lyx sometimes. It's fast and predictive, I don't even have to check the result most times. I don't even look at the screen, I actually turn it off  to save battery life sometimes.</p><p>And btw, drawing graphs while the teacher is drawing them on the board can be done with TikZ faster than drawing with a pencil once you learned all those coordinate systems that TikZ provides. I've done that for about a year now, the first months were hard, though.</p><p>Anyway, I'd suggest taking notes on paper and transcribing them later. That way you learn a more from your notes and you learn to take notes that are actually useful because you have to use them at least once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use LaTeX in vim , without any scripts .
It takes a bit of practicing but I do n't have to wonder where my cursor gets and why it jumps whereever it wants .
That 's quite annoying in Lyx sometimes .
It 's fast and predictive , I do n't even have to check the result most times .
I do n't even look at the screen , I actually turn it off to save battery life sometimes.And btw , drawing graphs while the teacher is drawing them on the board can be done with TikZ faster than drawing with a pencil once you learned all those coordinate systems that TikZ provides .
I 've done that for about a year now , the first months were hard , though.Anyway , I 'd suggest taking notes on paper and transcribing them later .
That way you learn a more from your notes and you learn to take notes that are actually useful because you have to use them at least once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use LaTeX in vim, without any scripts.
It takes a bit of practicing but I don't have to wonder where my cursor gets and why it jumps whereever it wants.
That's quite annoying in Lyx sometimes.
It's fast and predictive, I don't even have to check the result most times.
I don't even look at the screen, I actually turn it off  to save battery life sometimes.And btw, drawing graphs while the teacher is drawing them on the board can be done with TikZ faster than drawing with a pencil once you learned all those coordinate systems that TikZ provides.
I've done that for about a year now, the first months were hard, though.Anyway, I'd suggest taking notes on paper and transcribing them later.
That way you learn a more from your notes and you learn to take notes that are actually useful because you have to use them at least once.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915969</id>
	<title>Paper</title>
	<author>Carik</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not use a paper notebook in class, and just enter the equations into the computer later?</p><p>If you absolutely insist on a technical solution, how about:</p><p>- using macros.  Use something like OO.o's auto expand feature (whatever they call it), so that when you type exp-1 it translates to ^-1, or intl expands to integral.</p><p>- using shorthand.  Find a set of shorthand layouts that work for you, then run search and replace later to make them what they're actually supposed to be.  The same examples as above work -- just without the macros.</p><p>To be honest, though, you're probably best off either using pencil and paper or just improving your typing speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not use a paper notebook in class , and just enter the equations into the computer later ? If you absolutely insist on a technical solution , how about : - using macros .
Use something like OO.o 's auto expand feature ( whatever they call it ) , so that when you type exp-1 it translates to ^ -1 , or intl expands to integral.- using shorthand .
Find a set of shorthand layouts that work for you , then run search and replace later to make them what they 're actually supposed to be .
The same examples as above work -- just without the macros.To be honest , though , you 're probably best off either using pencil and paper or just improving your typing speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not use a paper notebook in class, and just enter the equations into the computer later?If you absolutely insist on a technical solution, how about:- using macros.
Use something like OO.o's auto expand feature (whatever they call it), so that when you type exp-1 it translates to ^-1, or intl expands to integral.- using shorthand.
Find a set of shorthand layouts that work for you, then run search and replace later to make them what they're actually supposed to be.
The same examples as above work -- just without the macros.To be honest, though, you're probably best off either using pencil and paper or just improving your typing speed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29928853</id>
	<title>Skip Lectures</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1256896920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazed nobody's suggested the obvious thing to do: Skip the lecture, hit the bar, play pool, flirt with the attractive students of your preferred sex and get a copy of the lecture notes from someone else.</p><p>University is where you get an education, so skip the lectures and get one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazed nobody 's suggested the obvious thing to do : Skip the lecture , hit the bar , play pool , flirt with the attractive students of your preferred sex and get a copy of the lecture notes from someone else.University is where you get an education , so skip the lectures and get one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazed nobody's suggested the obvious thing to do: Skip the lecture, hit the bar, play pool, flirt with the attractive students of your preferred sex and get a copy of the lecture notes from someone else.University is where you get an education, so skip the lectures and get one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920285</id>
	<title>Don't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am now using latex for a long time (14years). I have been using and testing equation editors. My experience says: after some training and fitting macros in your emacs (or vim or whatever texteditor you use, not to offend the religiuos feelings of other people here), you will be faster in latex, because you dont need a mouse.</p><p>On the other  hand, you will not be as fast as writing it down by hand.  There is no way you keep up with a math prof writing full speed handwriting on the blackboard AND listening to what he says.  For some equations yes, but (i studied physics) i am pretty sure that handwriting equations will be faster than typing.  If you want to digitize it (undestandably), use a scanner or a graphics tablet to take the notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am now using latex for a long time ( 14years ) .
I have been using and testing equation editors .
My experience says : after some training and fitting macros in your emacs ( or vim or whatever texteditor you use , not to offend the religiuos feelings of other people here ) , you will be faster in latex , because you dont need a mouse.On the other hand , you will not be as fast as writing it down by hand .
There is no way you keep up with a math prof writing full speed handwriting on the blackboard AND listening to what he says .
For some equations yes , but ( i studied physics ) i am pretty sure that handwriting equations will be faster than typing .
If you want to digitize it ( undestandably ) , use a scanner or a graphics tablet to take the notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am now using latex for a long time (14years).
I have been using and testing equation editors.
My experience says: after some training and fitting macros in your emacs (or vim or whatever texteditor you use, not to offend the religiuos feelings of other people here), you will be faster in latex, because you dont need a mouse.On the other  hand, you will not be as fast as writing it down by hand.
There is no way you keep up with a math prof writing full speed handwriting on the blackboard AND listening to what he says.
For some equations yes, but (i studied physics) i am pretty sure that handwriting equations will be faster than typing.
If you want to digitize it (undestandably), use a scanner or a graphics tablet to take the notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921209</id>
	<title>Take Photos of the Blackboard</title>
	<author>beachmike</author>
	<datestamp>1256933580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take photos of the blackboard and then transcribe them later.

Why didn't any of you nerds think of that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take photos of the blackboard and then transcribe them later .
Why did n't any of you nerds think of that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take photos of the blackboard and then transcribe them later.
Why didn't any of you nerds think of that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917903</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>drizek</author>
	<datestamp>1256816880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with that is that it won't let you type in text, so I still can't find a way to write something like "Power in Watts/Q*[greek letter]*1.421"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with that is that it wo n't let you type in text , so I still ca n't find a way to write something like " Power in Watts/Q * [ greek letter ] * 1.421 "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with that is that it won't let you type in text, so I still can't find a way to write something like "Power in Watts/Q*[greek letter]*1.421"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917197</id>
	<title>Ironic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have run into this problem and managed to overcome it. Just use Microsoft Equation using shortcut keys. You can insert a new equation, almost any mathematical expression and save equation using only your keyboard and it gets really fast, almost like pen + paper. If you need more functionality, you can use MathType, it will definitely cover all your needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have run into this problem and managed to overcome it .
Just use Microsoft Equation using shortcut keys .
You can insert a new equation , almost any mathematical expression and save equation using only your keyboard and it gets really fast , almost like pen + paper .
If you need more functionality , you can use MathType , it will definitely cover all your needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have run into this problem and managed to overcome it.
Just use Microsoft Equation using shortcut keys.
You can insert a new equation, almost any mathematical expression and save equation using only your keyboard and it gets really fast, almost like pen + paper.
If you need more functionality, you can use MathType, it will definitely cover all your needs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929383</id>
	<title>Don't be overtechnical.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256900400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use paper.  It works great.</p><p>If you need, you can scan it later.  Technology is wonderful, but it should help you, not get in your way.  Use it correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use paper .
It works great.If you need , you can scan it later .
Technology is wonderful , but it should help you , not get in your way .
Use it correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use paper.
It works great.If you need, you can scan it later.
Technology is wonderful, but it should help you, not get in your way.
Use it correctly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919581</id>
	<title>Re:Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1256827380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somehow you come over as (quite) a bit of a show-off. Show-offs are not good teachers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow you come over as ( quite ) a bit of a show-off .
Show-offs are not good teachers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow you come over as (quite) a bit of a show-off.
Show-offs are not good teachers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915951</id>
	<title>Analog</title>
	<author>Pete Venkman</author>
	<datestamp>1256809320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I encountered this problem too during my last year and a half in uni, so I used a low-tech solution.  When I needed to put an equation in my notes, I would type "See EQ. 1-1" and fill up a piece of paper with equations.  Later on (that day or the next), while reviewing my notes I would look up the eq on my sheet and type it into my notes the correct way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I encountered this problem too during my last year and a half in uni , so I used a low-tech solution .
When I needed to put an equation in my notes , I would type " See EQ .
1-1 " and fill up a piece of paper with equations .
Later on ( that day or the next ) , while reviewing my notes I would look up the eq on my sheet and type it into my notes the correct way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I encountered this problem too during my last year and a half in uni, so I used a low-tech solution.
When I needed to put an equation in my notes, I would type "See EQ.
1-1" and fill up a piece of paper with equations.
Later on (that day or the next), while reviewing my notes I would look up the eq on my sheet and type it into my notes the correct way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915977</id>
	<title>Latexit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Latex it http://pierre.chachatelier.fr/programmation/latexit\_en.php   it's a great free program for making equations in latex on the mac</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Latex it http : //pierre.chachatelier.fr/programmation/latexit \ _en.php it 's a great free program for making equations in latex on the mac</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Latex it http://pierre.chachatelier.fr/programmation/latexit\_en.php   it's a great free program for making equations in latex on the mac</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915847</id>
	<title>LyX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used LyX quite a bit; the equation editor is pretty quick to work with (better than MS Equation Editor or similar addons).</p><p>LyX is generally much faster than straight LaTeX - and there's a much shallower learning curve.</p><p>Additionally, LyX works on pretty much whatever platform you want to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used LyX quite a bit ; the equation editor is pretty quick to work with ( better than MS Equation Editor or similar addons ) .LyX is generally much faster than straight LaTeX - and there 's a much shallower learning curve.Additionally , LyX works on pretty much whatever platform you want to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used LyX quite a bit; the equation editor is pretty quick to work with (better than MS Equation Editor or similar addons).LyX is generally much faster than straight LaTeX - and there's a much shallower learning curve.Additionally, LyX works on pretty much whatever platform you want to use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918699</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1256821860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using OneNote for a couple of years, and I'm pretty disgusted with it. Too complicated, too limited. too unreliable, too many "what were they thinking" gotchas.</p><p>Right now, I'm giving Evernote a try. Not as many snazzy features of OneNote, but the features it does have work well and are easy to access. And it's free, if you don't mind a few non-obnoxious ads. If it continues to bear the strain, I'm transferring all my data from OneNote and deleting the sucker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using OneNote for a couple of years , and I 'm pretty disgusted with it .
Too complicated , too limited .
too unreliable , too many " what were they thinking " gotchas.Right now , I 'm giving Evernote a try .
Not as many snazzy features of OneNote , but the features it does have work well and are easy to access .
And it 's free , if you do n't mind a few non-obnoxious ads .
If it continues to bear the strain , I 'm transferring all my data from OneNote and deleting the sucker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using OneNote for a couple of years, and I'm pretty disgusted with it.
Too complicated, too limited.
too unreliable, too many "what were they thinking" gotchas.Right now, I'm giving Evernote a try.
Not as many snazzy features of OneNote, but the features it does have work well and are easy to access.
And it's free, if you don't mind a few non-obnoxious ads.
If it continues to bear the strain, I'm transferring all my data from OneNote and deleting the sucker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918813</id>
	<title>ASciencePad</title>
	<author>jeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256822400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://math.chapman.edu/~jipsen/asciencepad/asciencepad.html" title="chapman.edu" rel="nofollow">http://math.chapman.edu/~jipsen/asciencepad/asciencepad.html</a> [chapman.edu]</p><p>It's TiddlyWiki, a self-contained-self-editing-in-one-HTML-file wiki, and this particular flavor includes a WYSIWYG formula editor.</p><p>Works great in Firefox. Works in IE. Supposedly works in Safari. I haven't been able to get it to work in Chrome (can read, but cannot write)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //math.chapman.edu/ ~ jipsen/asciencepad/asciencepad.html [ chapman.edu ] It 's TiddlyWiki , a self-contained-self-editing-in-one-HTML-file wiki , and this particular flavor includes a WYSIWYG formula editor.Works great in Firefox .
Works in IE .
Supposedly works in Safari .
I have n't been able to get it to work in Chrome ( can read , but can not write )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://math.chapman.edu/~jipsen/asciencepad/asciencepad.html [chapman.edu]It's TiddlyWiki, a self-contained-self-editing-in-one-HTML-file wiki, and this particular flavor includes a WYSIWYG formula editor.Works great in Firefox.
Works in IE.
Supposedly works in Safari.
I haven't been able to get it to work in Chrome (can read, but cannot write)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918713</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1256821920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pen and paper is very useful, even when you end up just copying it verbatim to a laptop later.<br><br>First off, writing it down the first time make you more likely to remember the content than if you just sat back and listened (same as if you used a laptop).  And when you copy it to a laptop later you again will be more likely to remember the data, maybe more so this time as the concepts have had more time to sink in.<br><br>Second, not everything is a formula or text!  There will be curves, surfaces, diagrams, and so forth all drawn on the white board (or black board<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).<br><br>Third, the paper will last longer.  There may be times, decades from now, when you'll want to review some old class material.  You paper will have survived, but your 2009 file formats will not, and the media may not be readable (the laptop will have long since died).  I've got some class info on 9-track tape still, but I don't think I'll be reading that anytime soon.  Or the programs I have on 8-inch floppy, assuming it isn't moldy from being stored in the garage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pen and paper is very useful , even when you end up just copying it verbatim to a laptop later.First off , writing it down the first time make you more likely to remember the content than if you just sat back and listened ( same as if you used a laptop ) .
And when you copy it to a laptop later you again will be more likely to remember the data , maybe more so this time as the concepts have had more time to sink in.Second , not everything is a formula or text !
There will be curves , surfaces , diagrams , and so forth all drawn on the white board ( or black board : - ) .Third , the paper will last longer .
There may be times , decades from now , when you 'll want to review some old class material .
You paper will have survived , but your 2009 file formats will not , and the media may not be readable ( the laptop will have long since died ) .
I 've got some class info on 9-track tape still , but I do n't think I 'll be reading that anytime soon .
Or the programs I have on 8-inch floppy , assuming it is n't moldy from being stored in the garage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pen and paper is very useful, even when you end up just copying it verbatim to a laptop later.First off, writing it down the first time make you more likely to remember the content than if you just sat back and listened (same as if you used a laptop).
And when you copy it to a laptop later you again will be more likely to remember the data, maybe more so this time as the concepts have had more time to sink in.Second, not everything is a formula or text!
There will be curves, surfaces, diagrams, and so forth all drawn on the white board (or black board :-).Third, the paper will last longer.
There may be times, decades from now, when you'll want to review some old class material.
You paper will have survived, but your 2009 file formats will not, and the media may not be readable (the laptop will have long since died).
I've got some class info on 9-track tape still, but I don't think I'll be reading that anytime soon.
Or the programs I have on 8-inch floppy, assuming it isn't moldy from being stored in the garage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919891</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256829900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a OneNote convert, I'll tell you why I use my (work provided) tablet instead of pen and paper: I can mix digital and handwritten content and I can write well enough for my handwritten notes to be searchable. Also they are all backed up and I don't lose them. Not to mention I can write in pretty colours easily and I don't have to carry anything else around or worry about pens running out.</p><p>I know it's the new cool thing on Slashdot to point out that tech sucks compared to old school solutions, but there are real tangible benefits for some things. Why must every topic on here avoid answering the question and turn into people having a go at the person for wanting a tech solution from a tech website?</p><p>Also, regarding your point about photocopying notes, there is significant research that the act of writing or typing something helps to commit it to memory as it involves more senses than simply looking at a pre-written text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a OneNote convert , I 'll tell you why I use my ( work provided ) tablet instead of pen and paper : I can mix digital and handwritten content and I can write well enough for my handwritten notes to be searchable .
Also they are all backed up and I do n't lose them .
Not to mention I can write in pretty colours easily and I do n't have to carry anything else around or worry about pens running out.I know it 's the new cool thing on Slashdot to point out that tech sucks compared to old school solutions , but there are real tangible benefits for some things .
Why must every topic on here avoid answering the question and turn into people having a go at the person for wanting a tech solution from a tech website ? Also , regarding your point about photocopying notes , there is significant research that the act of writing or typing something helps to commit it to memory as it involves more senses than simply looking at a pre-written text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a OneNote convert, I'll tell you why I use my (work provided) tablet instead of pen and paper: I can mix digital and handwritten content and I can write well enough for my handwritten notes to be searchable.
Also they are all backed up and I don't lose them.
Not to mention I can write in pretty colours easily and I don't have to carry anything else around or worry about pens running out.I know it's the new cool thing on Slashdot to point out that tech sucks compared to old school solutions, but there are real tangible benefits for some things.
Why must every topic on here avoid answering the question and turn into people having a go at the person for wanting a tech solution from a tech website?Also, regarding your point about photocopying notes, there is significant research that the act of writing or typing something helps to commit it to memory as it involves more senses than simply looking at a pre-written text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918375</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1256819940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Me, I have great difficulty taking notes and paying attention to the instructor at the same time. ADD or something, you know? I should really get a laptop, because I can type without really needing to even think about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me , I have great difficulty taking notes and paying attention to the instructor at the same time .
ADD or something , you know ?
I should really get a laptop , because I can type without really needing to even think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me, I have great difficulty taking notes and paying attention to the instructor at the same time.
ADD or something, you know?
I should really get a laptop, because I can type without really needing to even think about it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922897</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1256912940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I am still a fervent user of the classical notepad (not the software kind) one has to acknowledge that the abilities to share, copy, backup, search, edit a document are quite good to have.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I am still a fervent user of the classical notepad ( not the software kind ) one has to acknowledge that the abilities to share , copy , backup , search , edit a document are quite good to have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I am still a fervent user of the classical notepad (not the software kind) one has to acknowledge that the abilities to share, copy, backup, search, edit a document are quite good to have.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29992844</id>
	<title>Mathcad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257421200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mathcad has a very simple pallet based equation creation system.  You could probably find an old copy very cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mathcad has a very simple pallet based equation creation system .
You could probably find an old copy very cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mathcad has a very simple pallet based equation creation system.
You could probably find an old copy very cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916651</id>
	<title>OpenOffice.org Writer or Wiki Markup + Latex</title>
	<author>otakuj462</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took notes on my laptop extensively all through my undergraduate degree in Computer Science, and I always used OpenOffice.org Writer's equation editor. It has a nice, concise syntax, and it was, in fact, possible to enter even very complex mathematical expressions in real time, faster than my prof was able to write them on the board. This was true even for matrixes.</p><p>Here's an example of some of my notes made with OO.o: <a href="http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-330\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Fall\_06)\_Lectures" title="mcgill.ca" rel="nofollow">http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-330\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Fall\_06)\_Lectures</a> [mcgill.ca] </p><p>My linear algebra notes would be more impressive, because they often involved fairly large and complex matrix equations, but I never made those notes available online.</p><p>I had a colleague who also took notes in class who had quite a nice method - he wrote all of his notes in wiki markup, with latex for the mathematical expressions. He didn't have a laptop, but instead used a PDA and small, foldable keyboard. </p><p>An example of his notes are here: <a href="http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-302\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Pientka\%2C\_Winter\_06)\_Lectures" title="mcgill.ca" rel="nofollow">http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-302\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Pientka\%2C\_Winter\_06)\_Lectures</a> [mcgill.ca] </p><p>I think it's quite a nice result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took notes on my laptop extensively all through my undergraduate degree in Computer Science , and I always used OpenOffice.org Writer 's equation editor .
It has a nice , concise syntax , and it was , in fact , possible to enter even very complex mathematical expressions in real time , faster than my prof was able to write them on the board .
This was true even for matrixes.Here 's an example of some of my notes made with OO.o : http : //csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-330 \ _ ( Panangaden \ % 2C \ _Fall \ _06 ) \ _Lectures [ mcgill.ca ] My linear algebra notes would be more impressive , because they often involved fairly large and complex matrix equations , but I never made those notes available online.I had a colleague who also took notes in class who had quite a nice method - he wrote all of his notes in wiki markup , with latex for the mathematical expressions .
He did n't have a laptop , but instead used a PDA and small , foldable keyboard .
An example of his notes are here : http : //csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-302 \ _ ( Panangaden \ % 2C \ _Pientka \ % 2C \ _Winter \ _06 ) \ _Lectures [ mcgill.ca ] I think it 's quite a nice result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took notes on my laptop extensively all through my undergraduate degree in Computer Science, and I always used OpenOffice.org Writer's equation editor.
It has a nice, concise syntax, and it was, in fact, possible to enter even very complex mathematical expressions in real time, faster than my prof was able to write them on the board.
This was true even for matrixes.Here's an example of some of my notes made with OO.o: http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-330\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Fall\_06)\_Lectures [mcgill.ca] My linear algebra notes would be more impressive, because they often involved fairly large and complex matrix equations, but I never made those notes available online.I had a colleague who also took notes in class who had quite a nice method - he wrote all of his notes in wiki markup, with latex for the mathematical expressions.
He didn't have a laptop, but instead used a PDA and small, foldable keyboard.
An example of his notes are here: http://csus.cs.mcgill.ca/wiki/COMP-302\_(Panangaden\%2C\_Pientka\%2C\_Winter\_06)\_Lectures [mcgill.ca] I think it's quite a nice result.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916017</id>
	<title>I remember using...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... a product called MathCad 15 years ago. I seem to recall they had a free student version.
Looks like they have a 30 day trial, and a $60 student version if it suits your purposes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... a product called MathCad 15 years ago .
I seem to recall they had a free student version .
Looks like they have a 30 day trial , and a $ 60 student version if it suits your purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... a product called MathCad 15 years ago.
I seem to recall they had a free student version.
Looks like they have a 30 day trial, and a $60 student version if it suits your purposes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920903</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that recommendations are a personal choice by everyone.<br>Latex, Lyx, Mathematica etc are all possible<br>Lectures with notes are great. Lectures without notes are not so much fun.<br>Interactive engaging lectures where you can ask questions are important - forget tat your question is trivial<br>as far as someone else is concerned - your measuring stick and theirs are different - but you want to know<br>an answer - so ask.<br>If I have to make a choice between note taking and paying attention - I know that some lecturers talk or write<br>so fast that no note taking speed freak application or pen+paper solution can keep up - so I choose to pay attention.<br>If the lecture is slow enough - I would use my Mathematica - it is familiar. I would not go out looking to learn anything else - just to take notes.<br>If its too fast - pay attention and only scribble down the essentials.</p><p>Now if you came to a point where you were producing lecture notes for students - there is the real question.<br>Me personally,  I would use Mathematica - why ??? because there is the mathematica player and it has really nice print-outs. It also has<br>one very nice feature - symbols that look the same can be hovered over and the underlying reference will appear.<br>Reals, Regions and Reimann might all be represented by a classic 'R' of some description.  How do you tell them apart ?<br>Another reason to use Mathematica for creating lecture notes - you can change some parameters for each lecture<br>so that you canmake it seem simpler or harder depending upon the type of people in the class.</p><p>Lecturers probably use chalk and talk a lot because they get asked questions - and chalk and talk is flexible.<br>Lecturers who have been around probably get asked the same questions a lot. Simpler examples may be nice<br>but a more complex example sometimes answers the question of "how to make it work when you have complex equations".<br>Some students can not easily jump from a simple example to a complex example - they deserve to get some<br>guidance on how to treat a complex problem like you would a simpler one.</p><p>If I have to teach an budding engineer some maths or physics - I like to make sure that they get better than 95\% in tests<br>because they worked their butts off and because when they build a bridge I might drive over, I want it to be built like a<br>brick, nice and solid and reliable.</p><p>One student was going to sort of cheat - using C++ code fragments from his mates - yet he already had his own code with documentation<br>and he understood all that he had written. He opted for his own work. I liked that about him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that recommendations are a personal choice by everyone.Latex , Lyx , Mathematica etc are all possibleLectures with notes are great .
Lectures without notes are not so much fun.Interactive engaging lectures where you can ask questions are important - forget tat your question is trivialas far as someone else is concerned - your measuring stick and theirs are different - but you want to knowan answer - so ask.If I have to make a choice between note taking and paying attention - I know that some lecturers talk or writeso fast that no note taking speed freak application or pen + paper solution can keep up - so I choose to pay attention.If the lecture is slow enough - I would use my Mathematica - it is familiar .
I would not go out looking to learn anything else - just to take notes.If its too fast - pay attention and only scribble down the essentials.Now if you came to a point where you were producing lecture notes for students - there is the real question.Me personally , I would use Mathematica - why ? ? ?
because there is the mathematica player and it has really nice print-outs .
It also hasone very nice feature - symbols that look the same can be hovered over and the underlying reference will appear.Reals , Regions and Reimann might all be represented by a classic 'R ' of some description .
How do you tell them apart ? Another reason to use Mathematica for creating lecture notes - you can change some parameters for each lectureso that you canmake it seem simpler or harder depending upon the type of people in the class.Lecturers probably use chalk and talk a lot because they get asked questions - and chalk and talk is flexible.Lecturers who have been around probably get asked the same questions a lot .
Simpler examples may be nicebut a more complex example sometimes answers the question of " how to make it work when you have complex equations " .Some students can not easily jump from a simple example to a complex example - they deserve to get someguidance on how to treat a complex problem like you would a simpler one.If I have to teach an budding engineer some maths or physics - I like to make sure that they get better than 95 \ % in testsbecause they worked their butts off and because when they build a bridge I might drive over , I want it to be built like abrick , nice and solid and reliable.One student was going to sort of cheat - using C + + code fragments from his mates - yet he already had his own code with documentationand he understood all that he had written .
He opted for his own work .
I liked that about him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that recommendations are a personal choice by everyone.Latex, Lyx, Mathematica etc are all possibleLectures with notes are great.
Lectures without notes are not so much fun.Interactive engaging lectures where you can ask questions are important - forget tat your question is trivialas far as someone else is concerned - your measuring stick and theirs are different - but you want to knowan answer - so ask.If I have to make a choice between note taking and paying attention - I know that some lecturers talk or writeso fast that no note taking speed freak application or pen+paper solution can keep up - so I choose to pay attention.If the lecture is slow enough - I would use my Mathematica - it is familiar.
I would not go out looking to learn anything else - just to take notes.If its too fast - pay attention and only scribble down the essentials.Now if you came to a point where you were producing lecture notes for students - there is the real question.Me personally,  I would use Mathematica - why ???
because there is the mathematica player and it has really nice print-outs.
It also hasone very nice feature - symbols that look the same can be hovered over and the underlying reference will appear.Reals, Regions and Reimann might all be represented by a classic 'R' of some description.
How do you tell them apart ?Another reason to use Mathematica for creating lecture notes - you can change some parameters for each lectureso that you canmake it seem simpler or harder depending upon the type of people in the class.Lecturers probably use chalk and talk a lot because they get asked questions - and chalk and talk is flexible.Lecturers who have been around probably get asked the same questions a lot.
Simpler examples may be nicebut a more complex example sometimes answers the question of "how to make it work when you have complex equations".Some students can not easily jump from a simple example to a complex example - they deserve to get someguidance on how to treat a complex problem like you would a simpler one.If I have to teach an budding engineer some maths or physics - I like to make sure that they get better than 95\% in testsbecause they worked their butts off and because when they build a bridge I might drive over, I want it to be built like abrick, nice and solid and reliable.One student was going to sort of cheat - using C++ code fragments from his mates - yet he already had his own code with documentationand he understood all that he had written.
He opted for his own work.
I liked that about him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916849</id>
	<title>Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[This is a non-answer to your question. But it's a good non-answer if my success and student and teacher is any measure.]</p><p>Don't take notes in class. Seriously. I've forbidden note taking in some of my classes. I hand out copies of material not in the book. But when I lecture, I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to. If someone's trying to write what I say, their attention and working memory is so divided that they can't be picking up much of anything.</p><p>This is especially true for maths. Of what purpose is it for you to have to watch someone write out equations? Of what purpose to write them down at the same time? Is the content of so little importance that they can waste their time and yours with speed writing exercises? The writing/rewriting is important for memory. That being so, why tax the memory with the process, reducing the result?</p><p>Ask your instructors for copies of their class notes. Explain why. If they feel it's somehow cheating, ask to record their lecture. If they're not saying the equations out loud, record in video. Then whether paper copies, audio or video, transcribe. More than once if need be. Work with them on this. It'll be to everyone's benefit. If they can't believe that, prove it by recording a class with them writing stuff as usual and people copying, and calculate how much more time it takes for them to write, you to write, you to ask what that wiggly thing is, them to tell you, them to write, them to ask if everyone is caught up, on and on; vs. hand out a paper copy, them lecture, you listen (and add just tiny clarifications if necessary on their notes).</p><p>I really am serious about this, and pushing this agenda has made me a favorite of students (who get better grades; I've tracked that too) but gotten me all kids of grief from other instructors. They see the process as one of confrontation, forcing students to do things a certain way and any other is 'cheating', or could be used for cheating, and frankly very little rational explanations are forthcoming. I picked it up from instructors who were more concerned their students learn than jump through hoops like speed writing as the sole means to collect material covered in class. I hated hoops as a student and refused to use them as a teacher. Instructors that can't get away from hoops are using them as a crutch. Help them learn to do better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ This is a non-answer to your question .
But it 's a good non-answer if my success and student and teacher is any measure .
] Do n't take notes in class .
Seriously. I 've forbidden note taking in some of my classes .
I hand out copies of material not in the book .
But when I lecture , I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to .
If someone 's trying to write what I say , their attention and working memory is so divided that they ca n't be picking up much of anything.This is especially true for maths .
Of what purpose is it for you to have to watch someone write out equations ?
Of what purpose to write them down at the same time ?
Is the content of so little importance that they can waste their time and yours with speed writing exercises ?
The writing/rewriting is important for memory .
That being so , why tax the memory with the process , reducing the result ? Ask your instructors for copies of their class notes .
Explain why .
If they feel it 's somehow cheating , ask to record their lecture .
If they 're not saying the equations out loud , record in video .
Then whether paper copies , audio or video , transcribe .
More than once if need be .
Work with them on this .
It 'll be to everyone 's benefit .
If they ca n't believe that , prove it by recording a class with them writing stuff as usual and people copying , and calculate how much more time it takes for them to write , you to write , you to ask what that wiggly thing is , them to tell you , them to write , them to ask if everyone is caught up , on and on ; vs. hand out a paper copy , them lecture , you listen ( and add just tiny clarifications if necessary on their notes ) .I really am serious about this , and pushing this agenda has made me a favorite of students ( who get better grades ; I 've tracked that too ) but gotten me all kids of grief from other instructors .
They see the process as one of confrontation , forcing students to do things a certain way and any other is 'cheating ' , or could be used for cheating , and frankly very little rational explanations are forthcoming .
I picked it up from instructors who were more concerned their students learn than jump through hoops like speed writing as the sole means to collect material covered in class .
I hated hoops as a student and refused to use them as a teacher .
Instructors that ca n't get away from hoops are using them as a crutch .
Help them learn to do better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[This is a non-answer to your question.
But it's a good non-answer if my success and student and teacher is any measure.
]Don't take notes in class.
Seriously. I've forbidden note taking in some of my classes.
I hand out copies of material not in the book.
But when I lecture, I do so with the intention that what I say be listened and paid attention to.
If someone's trying to write what I say, their attention and working memory is so divided that they can't be picking up much of anything.This is especially true for maths.
Of what purpose is it for you to have to watch someone write out equations?
Of what purpose to write them down at the same time?
Is the content of so little importance that they can waste their time and yours with speed writing exercises?
The writing/rewriting is important for memory.
That being so, why tax the memory with the process, reducing the result?Ask your instructors for copies of their class notes.
Explain why.
If they feel it's somehow cheating, ask to record their lecture.
If they're not saying the equations out loud, record in video.
Then whether paper copies, audio or video, transcribe.
More than once if need be.
Work with them on this.
It'll be to everyone's benefit.
If they can't believe that, prove it by recording a class with them writing stuff as usual and people copying, and calculate how much more time it takes for them to write, you to write, you to ask what that wiggly thing is, them to tell you, them to write, them to ask if everyone is caught up, on and on; vs. hand out a paper copy, them lecture, you listen (and add just tiny clarifications if necessary on their notes).I really am serious about this, and pushing this agenda has made me a favorite of students (who get better grades; I've tracked that too) but gotten me all kids of grief from other instructors.
They see the process as one of confrontation, forcing students to do things a certain way and any other is 'cheating', or could be used for cheating, and frankly very little rational explanations are forthcoming.
I picked it up from instructors who were more concerned their students learn than jump through hoops like speed writing as the sole means to collect material covered in class.
I hated hoops as a student and refused to use them as a teacher.
Instructors that can't get away from hoops are using them as a crutch.
Help them learn to do better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29931547</id>
	<title>Try OpenOffice Math</title>
	<author>sgrizzard</author>
	<datestamp>1256916840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went through an Econ MA program with the same problem, and even bought a tablet pc and tried to use OneNote to do it.

In the end, I found the fastest thing was OpenOffice's formula entry system, Math.  The commands are very intuitive, ie. x over y for x/y, and once I learned them, I could type faster than I wrote anyway.

It does have the disadvantage of not holding alot of equations at once (at least 2.0 did), and integrating your Write documents is a pain, but it was still the best solution for me.  I would usually switch between Write and Math, and just make a note in writer to insert the equation here... or, if it was something short, type the math commands right into writer and then convert it later.

The big plus is that, once it is in, it is in a computer-readable form, so there is no "going back" later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went through an Econ MA program with the same problem , and even bought a tablet pc and tried to use OneNote to do it .
In the end , I found the fastest thing was OpenOffice 's formula entry system , Math .
The commands are very intuitive , ie .
x over y for x/y , and once I learned them , I could type faster than I wrote anyway .
It does have the disadvantage of not holding alot of equations at once ( at least 2.0 did ) , and integrating your Write documents is a pain , but it was still the best solution for me .
I would usually switch between Write and Math , and just make a note in writer to insert the equation here... or , if it was something short , type the math commands right into writer and then convert it later .
The big plus is that , once it is in , it is in a computer-readable form , so there is no " going back " later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went through an Econ MA program with the same problem, and even bought a tablet pc and tried to use OneNote to do it.
In the end, I found the fastest thing was OpenOffice's formula entry system, Math.
The commands are very intuitive, ie.
x over y for x/y, and once I learned them, I could type faster than I wrote anyway.
It does have the disadvantage of not holding alot of equations at once (at least 2.0 did), and integrating your Write documents is a pain, but it was still the best solution for me.
I would usually switch between Write and Math, and just make a note in writer to insert the equation here... or, if it was something short, type the math commands right into writer and then convert it later.
The big plus is that, once it is in, it is in a computer-readable form, so there is no "going back" later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922243</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256907000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Different people learn in different ways.  Not everyone is like you.  Well done on your ability to teach people like yourself.  However, I think you should have a look at the people who drop out of your class or do badly; your tunnel-blind view is hurting them and you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Different people learn in different ways .
Not everyone is like you .
Well done on your ability to teach people like yourself .
However , I think you should have a look at the people who drop out of your class or do badly ; your tunnel-blind view is hurting them and you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Different people learn in different ways.
Not everyone is like you.
Well done on your ability to teach people like yourself.
However, I think you should have a look at the people who drop out of your class or do badly; your tunnel-blind view is hurting them and you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918157</id>
	<title>Re:Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>sensei moreh</author>
	<datestamp>1256818500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, also: write in pencil. I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen, I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand, changing variable notations, and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem.</p></div><p>I used to do that regardless of instrument with which my students would chose to write their notes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , also : write in pencil .
I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen , I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand , changing variable notations , and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem.I used to do that regardless of instrument with which my students would chose to write their notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, also: write in pencil.
I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen, I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand, changing variable notations, and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem.I used to do that regardless of instrument with which my students would chose to write their notes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921439</id>
	<title>I use groff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256894220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find the syntax of groff's eqn macro to be easier than LaTeX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the syntax of groff 's eqn macro to be easier than LaTeX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the syntax of groff's eqn macro to be easier than LaTeX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916685</id>
	<title>what about OO.o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open Office ships with a pretty nice little eqn editor, mostly based of TeX, but the updates are real-time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open Office ships with a pretty nice little eqn editor , mostly based of TeX , but the updates are real-time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open Office ships with a pretty nice little eqn editor, mostly based of TeX, but the updates are real-time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915863</id>
	<title>What's old is new</title>
	<author>404 Clue Not Found</author>
	<datestamp>1256809080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wacom's low-end <a href="http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo\_pen.php" title="wacom.com">Bamboo Pen</a> [wacom.com] ($69) tablet should be more than you need. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OOWC3I" title="amazon.com">Amazon has it for $60.</a> [amazon.com]   Combine it with Microsoft OneNote or similar and you'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience.  Go you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wacom 's low-end Bamboo Pen [ wacom.com ] ( $ 69 ) tablet should be more than you need .
Amazon has it for $ 60 .
[ amazon.com ] Combine it with Microsoft OneNote or similar and you 'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience .
Go you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wacom's low-end Bamboo Pen [wacom.com] ($69) tablet should be more than you need.
Amazon has it for $60.
[amazon.com]   Combine it with Microsoft OneNote or similar and you'll have recreated the fabulous 2-buck pen-and-paper experience.
Go you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916345</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>budhaboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256810460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you forgot the minus sign on the lower bound.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you forgot the minus sign on the lower bound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you forgot the minus sign on the lower bound.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29934029</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who studied a little higher level mathematics, I'd like to proffer the opinion that it would be nice if some of the more advanced stuff be supplied on paper by the lecturer to the students at some point -- especially if the lecturer has bad handwriting.</p><p>I remember well several times being thoroughly confused with proofs that I wrote down with logical errors simply because I could not read the lecturer's handwriting or my vision blurred after a while staring at the white board trying to decipher what looked more like scribble than anything else. Worst is when I jotted down the name of the proof wrongly and there was thus no mention on the net of it. Boy, that was great fun to find out on the night before an assignment was due.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who studied a little higher level mathematics , I 'd like to proffer the opinion that it would be nice if some of the more advanced stuff be supplied on paper by the lecturer to the students at some point -- especially if the lecturer has bad handwriting.I remember well several times being thoroughly confused with proofs that I wrote down with logical errors simply because I could not read the lecturer 's handwriting or my vision blurred after a while staring at the white board trying to decipher what looked more like scribble than anything else .
Worst is when I jotted down the name of the proof wrongly and there was thus no mention on the net of it .
Boy , that was great fun to find out on the night before an assignment was due .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who studied a little higher level mathematics, I'd like to proffer the opinion that it would be nice if some of the more advanced stuff be supplied on paper by the lecturer to the students at some point -- especially if the lecturer has bad handwriting.I remember well several times being thoroughly confused with proofs that I wrote down with logical errors simply because I could not read the lecturer's handwriting or my vision blurred after a while staring at the white board trying to decipher what looked more like scribble than anything else.
Worst is when I jotted down the name of the proof wrongly and there was thus no mention on the net of it.
Boy, that was great fun to find out on the night before an assignment was due.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29925321</id>
	<title>emacs</title>
	<author>will seele</author>
	<datestamp>1256923620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're emacs user, you can combine latex (with defined shortcuts for often used equations) and auto completion mode in emacs, which will complete anything you type.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're emacs user , you can combine latex ( with defined shortcuts for often used equations ) and auto completion mode in emacs , which will complete anything you type .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're emacs user, you can combine latex (with defined shortcuts for often used equations) and auto completion mode in emacs, which will complete anything you type.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921983</id>
	<title>Write them on a piece of paper...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256903160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Like a normal person and stop being such a pretentious bastard showing off your Macbook Pro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Like a normal person and stop being such a pretentious bastard showing off your Macbook Pro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Like a normal person and stop being such a pretentious bastard showing off your Macbook Pro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920387</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Poor you. You come to learn and no instructor on earth can teach all students. Teach by example, analogy, rote learning, experimentation and combination of pictures are the methods available. So, what you are suggesting is to find out every student's way of learning and tailor make the lectures!. Teaching is for the 80\% of average students - future job seekers and  tax payers. Top 10\%  don't need any ones help, the bottom10\% are in the wrong class. People with special needs should discuss with the instructors and ask them for help. If you resort to complaining to Dean etc., you are not going to get any high class professors. No one assumes that when he or she teaches people should learn the same way they have learned. The problem is  there are not "high quality student oriented text books" and publishers have no incentive to change this. If you bring discrimination into this, you are also discriminating against those who do not have your affliction. So, your rational thinking is to figure out how to get help, not yelp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Poor you .
You come to learn and no instructor on earth can teach all students .
Teach by example , analogy , rote learning , experimentation and combination of pictures are the methods available .
So , what you are suggesting is to find out every student 's way of learning and tailor make the lectures ! .
Teaching is for the 80 \ % of average students - future job seekers and tax payers .
Top 10 \ % do n't need any ones help , the bottom10 \ % are in the wrong class .
People with special needs should discuss with the instructors and ask them for help .
If you resort to complaining to Dean etc. , you are not going to get any high class professors .
No one assumes that when he or she teaches people should learn the same way they have learned .
The problem is there are not " high quality student oriented text books " and publishers have no incentive to change this .
If you bring discrimination into this , you are also discriminating against those who do not have your affliction .
So , your rational thinking is to figure out how to get help , not yelp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poor you.
You come to learn and no instructor on earth can teach all students.
Teach by example, analogy, rote learning, experimentation and combination of pictures are the methods available.
So, what you are suggesting is to find out every student's way of learning and tailor make the lectures!.
Teaching is for the 80\% of average students - future job seekers and  tax payers.
Top 10\%  don't need any ones help, the bottom10\% are in the wrong class.
People with special needs should discuss with the instructors and ask them for help.
If you resort to complaining to Dean etc., you are not going to get any high class professors.
No one assumes that when he or she teaches people should learn the same way they have learned.
The problem is  there are not "high quality student oriented text books" and publishers have no incentive to change this.
If you bring discrimination into this, you are also discriminating against those who do not have your affliction.
So, your rational thinking is to figure out how to get help, not yelp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920163</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1256832360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People who like to take copious notes generally also like to study from them.  Having the notes searchable is kind of handy.  Also, you can take even more copious notes in most classes if you're typing.</p><p>Personally, I hate taking notes in any form and never do it, but I know people who basically see classes as an opportunity to act as stenographers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who like to take copious notes generally also like to study from them .
Having the notes searchable is kind of handy .
Also , you can take even more copious notes in most classes if you 're typing.Personally , I hate taking notes in any form and never do it , but I know people who basically see classes as an opportunity to act as stenographers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who like to take copious notes generally also like to study from them.
Having the notes searchable is kind of handy.
Also, you can take even more copious notes in most classes if you're typing.Personally, I hate taking notes in any form and never do it, but I know people who basically see classes as an opportunity to act as stenographers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916107</id>
	<title>Mac has built-in symbol font</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, since you're on a Mac, I'd suggest using Option-5 for infinity and option-b for integral (they don't show up when I hit preview).  You can use the Keyboard Viewer to find all sorts of nifty option-? / option-shift-? combos to get you quite a few symbols.</p><p>Or, you could use pencil and paper (pen! in a math class! seriously!!!!) and your computer for other classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , since you 're on a Mac , I 'd suggest using Option-5 for infinity and option-b for integral ( they do n't show up when I hit preview ) .
You can use the Keyboard Viewer to find all sorts of nifty option- ?
/ option-shift- ?
combos to get you quite a few symbols.Or , you could use pencil and paper ( pen !
in a math class !
seriously ! ! ! ! ) and your computer for other classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, since you're on a Mac, I'd suggest using Option-5 for infinity and option-b for integral (they don't show up when I hit preview).
You can use the Keyboard Viewer to find all sorts of nifty option-?
/ option-shift-?
combos to get you quite a few symbols.Or, you could use pencil and paper (pen!
in a math class!
seriously!!!!) and your computer for other classes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916709</id>
	<title>I agree with most on paper</title>
	<author>tengeta</author>
	<datestamp>1256811840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously if taking notes worked that good on a computer classrooms would be full of them all the time. Computers are for after class when you need to get work done faster, thats what it was designed for. I thought I'd take notes on my netbook too a while back when I got it, but it just didn't work... now its retired to a bedtime email checker lol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously if taking notes worked that good on a computer classrooms would be full of them all the time .
Computers are for after class when you need to get work done faster , thats what it was designed for .
I thought I 'd take notes on my netbook too a while back when I got it , but it just did n't work... now its retired to a bedtime email checker lol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously if taking notes worked that good on a computer classrooms would be full of them all the time.
Computers are for after class when you need to get work done faster, thats what it was designed for.
I thought I'd take notes on my netbook too a while back when I got it, but it just didn't work... now its retired to a bedtime email checker lol.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916629</id>
	<title>Scientific Notebook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scientific notebook is great, not only is it easy to input the equations but you can solve and graph them in there as well. And you have your familiar LaTeX based format too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scientific notebook is great , not only is it easy to input the equations but you can solve and graph them in there as well .
And you have your familiar LaTeX based format too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scientific notebook is great, not only is it easy to input the equations but you can solve and graph them in there as well.
And you have your familiar LaTeX based format too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916653</id>
	<title>Re:Have you tried MathType?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MathType is what I used when I was a physics major.  Once you set up custom keyboard shortcuts for all the symbols and components you typically use it's about as fast as writing, so I was generally able to keep up with professors' scribbling on the chalkboard.  I was on a Mac, so the commands primarily used the Command key (rather than ctrl), making it easier to enter them without moving my hands from the standard typing position.  Likewise for select all - copy - appswitch - paste.  Once you've gotten it so you aren't using the mouse it's quite fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MathType is what I used when I was a physics major .
Once you set up custom keyboard shortcuts for all the symbols and components you typically use it 's about as fast as writing , so I was generally able to keep up with professors ' scribbling on the chalkboard .
I was on a Mac , so the commands primarily used the Command key ( rather than ctrl ) , making it easier to enter them without moving my hands from the standard typing position .
Likewise for select all - copy - appswitch - paste .
Once you 've gotten it so you are n't using the mouse it 's quite fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MathType is what I used when I was a physics major.
Once you set up custom keyboard shortcuts for all the symbols and components you typically use it's about as fast as writing, so I was generally able to keep up with professors' scribbling on the chalkboard.
I was on a Mac, so the commands primarily used the Command key (rather than ctrl), making it easier to enter them without moving my hands from the standard typing position.
Likewise for select all - copy - appswitch - paste.
Once you've gotten it so you aren't using the mouse it's quite fast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916585</id>
	<title>OneNote 2010 Beta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't go wrong with the new equation editor in OneNote 2010.  Beta will be out in two weeks.  It will work for a year.  The new version of OneNote is great, I've been using it since May.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't go wrong with the new equation editor in OneNote 2010 .
Beta will be out in two weeks .
It will work for a year .
The new version of OneNote is great , I 've been using it since May .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't go wrong with the new equation editor in OneNote 2010.
Beta will be out in two weeks.
It will work for a year.
The new version of OneNote is great, I've been using it since May.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916067</id>
	<title>Have you tried MathType?</title>
	<author>shdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in the education industry. For all of our test &amp; test prep materials, we use a program called MathType. It's quick, easy and supports advanced mathematical formulas.</p><p><a href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/" title="dessci.com">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</a> [dessci.com]<br>Cheers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the education industry .
For all of our test &amp; test prep materials , we use a program called MathType .
It 's quick , easy and supports advanced mathematical formulas.http : //www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ [ dessci.com ] Cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the education industry.
For all of our test &amp; test prep materials, we use a program called MathType.
It's quick, easy and supports advanced mathematical formulas.http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ [dessci.com]Cheers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916263</id>
	<title>Sandbox</title>
	<author>similar\_name</author>
	<datestamp>1256810220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know some people think pencil and paper but that is just too high tech for my blood.  I'd go with a good ol' sandbox.<br> <br>Or you could go for an etch a sketch if you still want the cool high tech look.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know some people think pencil and paper but that is just too high tech for my blood .
I 'd go with a good ol ' sandbox .
Or you could go for an etch a sketch if you still want the cool high tech look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know some people think pencil and paper but that is just too high tech for my blood.
I'd go with a good ol' sandbox.
Or you could go for an etch a sketch if you still want the cool high tech look.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921547</id>
	<title>OpenOffice Math</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1256895600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It works for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It works for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922719</id>
	<title>Pen and paper...</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1256911800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and then type it up in latex at home. I find typing on a computer in "live" class setting is distracting and takes so much away from active mental participation that aids in learning.  You are so much better off taking notes and asking questions while the material is being presented.</p><p>If you really care about having a readable, electronic archive of your lecture notes, then type it up in LaTeX later on in the evenings if you still have energy and time left.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and then type it up in latex at home .
I find typing on a computer in " live " class setting is distracting and takes so much away from active mental participation that aids in learning .
You are so much better off taking notes and asking questions while the material is being presented.If you really care about having a readable , electronic archive of your lecture notes , then type it up in LaTeX later on in the evenings if you still have energy and time left .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and then type it up in latex at home.
I find typing on a computer in "live" class setting is distracting and takes so much away from active mental participation that aids in learning.
You are so much better off taking notes and asking questions while the material is being presented.If you really care about having a readable, electronic archive of your lecture notes, then type it up in LaTeX later on in the evenings if you still have energy and time left.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916545</id>
	<title>Try to spread the problem on multiple people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In one of my University lectures the problem was solved by some guy by setting up a Wiki that could handle latex. This was used by multiple people to create a quite useful script from hand written notes. So while this doesnt answer your question, its a solution to your basic problem: putting less work into creating a bunch of pdf containing the lecturs content. The Wiki expanded quite a bit btw, now covering multiple lectures. If you care to have a look: http://mitschriebwiki.nomeata.de/ but be warned its in german.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In one of my University lectures the problem was solved by some guy by setting up a Wiki that could handle latex .
This was used by multiple people to create a quite useful script from hand written notes .
So while this doesnt answer your question , its a solution to your basic problem : putting less work into creating a bunch of pdf containing the lecturs content .
The Wiki expanded quite a bit btw , now covering multiple lectures .
If you care to have a look : http : //mitschriebwiki.nomeata.de/ but be warned its in german .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In one of my University lectures the problem was solved by some guy by setting up a Wiki that could handle latex.
This was used by multiple people to create a quite useful script from hand written notes.
So while this doesnt answer your question, its a solution to your basic problem: putting less work into creating a bunch of pdf containing the lecturs content.
The Wiki expanded quite a bit btw, now covering multiple lectures.
If you care to have a look: http://mitschriebwiki.nomeata.de/ but be warned its in german.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919395</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematica</title>
	<author>ppanon</author>
	<datestamp>1256826060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep, the use of the Windows 7 <a href="http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/HandwrittenMathRecognition.html" title="wolfram.com">math handwriting recognition</a> [wolfram.com] in tablet mode integrated into Mathematica looks like it would be pretty useful. Has anybody used it and is able to comment on whether its performance is as good as <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/l6386k114286517r/" title="springerlink.com">the propaganda</a> [springerlink.com] says?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , the use of the Windows 7 math handwriting recognition [ wolfram.com ] in tablet mode integrated into Mathematica looks like it would be pretty useful .
Has anybody used it and is able to comment on whether its performance is as good as the propaganda [ springerlink.com ] says ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, the use of the Windows 7 math handwriting recognition [wolfram.com] in tablet mode integrated into Mathematica looks like it would be pretty useful.
Has anybody used it and is able to comment on whether its performance is as good as the propaganda [springerlink.com] says?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920063</id>
	<title>Simple...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A small wacom to plug into a USB port, easily carried in your laptop case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A small wacom to plug into a USB port , easily carried in your laptop case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A small wacom to plug into a USB port, easily carried in your laptop case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916025</id>
	<title>AMaya</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AMaya is the only one I've used.  Doubt it would be fast enough for note taking though it outputs MathML so you can drop it straight in to HTML and a browser.  It is open source so you can optimize it if you desire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AMaya is the only one I 've used .
Doubt it would be fast enough for note taking though it outputs MathML so you can drop it straight in to HTML and a browser .
It is open source so you can optimize it if you desire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AMaya is the only one I've used.
Doubt it would be fast enough for note taking though it outputs MathML so you can drop it straight in to HTML and a browser.
It is open source so you can optimize it if you desire.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916489</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1256810940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could also experiment with with snapping pictures of the formulas as they're on the board, or video recording the black board or projector with a good web cam.
If you're recording, you may have to ask permission from the instructor, and/or double-check the laws in your state. And whether you chose a normal camera, a phone camera, or a good web cam, you'll want to carefully read its customer reviews to make sure it works well with your Mac, and as the necessary resolution/optical zoom to pick out what's on the board (or what's being projected).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could also experiment with with snapping pictures of the formulas as they 're on the board , or video recording the black board or projector with a good web cam .
If you 're recording , you may have to ask permission from the instructor , and/or double-check the laws in your state .
And whether you chose a normal camera , a phone camera , or a good web cam , you 'll want to carefully read its customer reviews to make sure it works well with your Mac , and as the necessary resolution/optical zoom to pick out what 's on the board ( or what 's being projected ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could also experiment with with snapping pictures of the formulas as they're on the board, or video recording the black board or projector with a good web cam.
If you're recording, you may have to ask permission from the instructor, and/or double-check the laws in your state.
And whether you chose a normal camera, a phone camera, or a good web cam, you'll want to carefully read its customer reviews to make sure it works well with your Mac, and as the necessary resolution/optical zoom to pick out what's on the board (or what's being projected).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29948792</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>xouumalperxe</author>
	<datestamp>1257162900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Note taking, for me, was to summarize what the teacher said, in MY words so that I could understand it later.</p></div><p>Well, in a calculus class you will, at some point want to write something like "We know that <i>f(x) = e^x</i> is a monotonically increasing function". Since you're taking notes, "monotonically increasing" will probably be rendered "mon. inc." in notes, but <i>f(x) = e^x</i> can't be compressed further.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Note taking , for me , was to summarize what the teacher said , in MY words so that I could understand it later.Well , in a calculus class you will , at some point want to write something like " We know that f ( x ) = e ^ x is a monotonically increasing function " .
Since you 're taking notes , " monotonically increasing " will probably be rendered " mon .
inc. " in notes , but f ( x ) = e ^ x ca n't be compressed further .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note taking, for me, was to summarize what the teacher said, in MY words so that I could understand it later.Well, in a calculus class you will, at some point want to write something like "We know that f(x) = e^x is a monotonically increasing function".
Since you're taking notes, "monotonically increasing" will probably be rendered "mon.
inc." in notes, but f(x) = e^x can't be compressed further.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921283</id>
	<title>This former student agrees.</title>
	<author>Rocketship Underpant</author>
	<datestamp>1256934840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see there's a naysayer getting modded up for contradicting you. However, in my second or third year of university, I figured the same thing out on my own. Instead of taking copious notes and having my attention divided, I just concentrated on the lecture, asking questions where appropriate, and hopefully did some preparation on the topic beforehand. The result was that I retained mentally a lot more than I could have set down to paper during a short lecture.</p><p>As you say, most professors also made their own notes available for students that wanted them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see there 's a naysayer getting modded up for contradicting you .
However , in my second or third year of university , I figured the same thing out on my own .
Instead of taking copious notes and having my attention divided , I just concentrated on the lecture , asking questions where appropriate , and hopefully did some preparation on the topic beforehand .
The result was that I retained mentally a lot more than I could have set down to paper during a short lecture.As you say , most professors also made their own notes available for students that wanted them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see there's a naysayer getting modded up for contradicting you.
However, in my second or third year of university, I figured the same thing out on my own.
Instead of taking copious notes and having my attention divided, I just concentrated on the lecture, asking questions where appropriate, and hopefully did some preparation on the topic beforehand.
The result was that I retained mentally a lot more than I could have set down to paper during a short lecture.As you say, most professors also made their own notes available for students that wanted them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916075</id>
	<title>Windows 7 Tablet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you probably don't want to hear it, but Windows 7 has some nice equation recognition features for a tablet pc.</p><p>Example:<br>http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/e7/WindowsLiveWriter/InkInputandTablet\_E2A5/clip\_image014\_2.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you probably do n't want to hear it , but Windows 7 has some nice equation recognition features for a tablet pc.Example : http : //blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/e7/WindowsLiveWriter/InkInputandTablet \ _E2A5/clip \ _image014 \ _2.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you probably don't want to hear it, but Windows 7 has some nice equation recognition features for a tablet pc.Example:http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/e7/WindowsLiveWriter/InkInputandTablet\_E2A5/clip\_image014\_2.jpg</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916725</id>
	<title>Auto-correct/replace</title>
	<author>Pincus</author>
	<datestamp>1256811840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your word processor should be able to auto-replace specified strings.  Not sure if/how you could enter the symbol for infinity, but I'm pretty sure greek is available.  And "inf" isn't a killer to input anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your word processor should be able to auto-replace specified strings .
Not sure if/how you could enter the symbol for infinity , but I 'm pretty sure greek is available .
And " inf " is n't a killer to input anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your word processor should be able to auto-replace specified strings.
Not sure if/how you could enter the symbol for infinity, but I'm pretty sure greek is available.
And "inf" isn't a killer to input anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929327</id>
	<title>There's an app for that!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256899920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, use an iPhone.... "There's an app for that!" then sync it with your MBP via bluetooth and paste. Wala!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , use an iPhone.... " There 's an app for that !
" then sync it with your MBP via bluetooth and paste .
Wala !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, use an iPhone.... "There's an app for that!
" then sync it with your MBP via bluetooth and paste.
Wala!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917581</id>
	<title>Re:dead-tree substrate and burned-plant stylus</title>
	<author>scheme</author>
	<datestamp>1256815260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>NASA spent $10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.</p><p>Russia sent pencils up.  cost, zip.</p><p>fancy new technology is not always the answer.</p></div><p>
A - NASA didn't actually spend the money for it, a company did it privately<br>
 B - Russia switched to pens as soon as NASA had them ready, turns out the pencils would shed graphite flakes that could get into the electronics and shortcircuit them -- not so good.</p><p>Like H.L. Menkin said, &ldquo;For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.&rdquo;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA spent $ 10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.Russia sent pencils up .
cost , zip.fancy new technology is not always the answer .
A - NASA did n't actually spend the money for it , a company did it privately B - Russia switched to pens as soon as NASA had them ready , turns out the pencils would shed graphite flakes that could get into the electronics and shortcircuit them -- not so good.Like H.L .
Menkin said ,    For every complex problem , there is a solution that is simple , neat , and wrong.   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA spent $10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.Russia sent pencils up.
cost, zip.fancy new technology is not always the answer.
A - NASA didn't actually spend the money for it, a company did it privately
 B - Russia switched to pens as soon as NASA had them ready, turns out the pencils would shed graphite flakes that could get into the electronics and shortcircuit them -- not so good.Like H.L.
Menkin said, “For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.”
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916615</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917207</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>koutbo6</author>
	<datestamp>1256813700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually 1 isn't that far from the truth.

My solution to the problem, don't take notes and pay attention in class. All equations u will ever need will be in text book. I got through the later year, and even earned a PhD, using this method.

I noticed that I was taking noted in my early years in school just to feel secure. Everyone around me was doing it so it had to be right. Right? By end of each semester, I also notice that I haven't opened and read a single note, so why bother? I even found that I did better because I wasn't distracted with writing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually 1 is n't that far from the truth .
My solution to the problem , do n't take notes and pay attention in class .
All equations u will ever need will be in text book .
I got through the later year , and even earned a PhD , using this method .
I noticed that I was taking noted in my early years in school just to feel secure .
Everyone around me was doing it so it had to be right .
Right ? By end of each semester , I also notice that I have n't opened and read a single note , so why bother ?
I even found that I did better because I was n't distracted with writing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually 1 isn't that far from the truth.
My solution to the problem, don't take notes and pay attention in class.
All equations u will ever need will be in text book.
I got through the later year, and even earned a PhD, using this method.
I noticed that I was taking noted in my early years in school just to feel secure.
Everyone around me was doing it so it had to be right.
Right? By end of each semester, I also notice that I haven't opened and read a single note, so why bother?
I even found that I did better because I wasn't distracted with writing!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920583</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>gilroy</author>
	<datestamp>1256836920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. I hope I am making the mistake of responding to a troll, because if you genuinely believe what you wrote, you are a sad sad person.  People with dyslexia aren't "slow" and they certainly aren't what you wanted to imply, which is stupid.  They have a neurological condition to affects their ability to visually process information -- a condition which, in fact, they can overcome by training themselves to compensate.  I teach, and I have taught dyslexics as well as non-dyslexics.  You know which group was in fact smarter on average?  <em>Neither</em><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... because it's not about "smart".</p><p>The reason ignorant people <em>think</em> dyslexics are "slow" is that the ignorant people have one model of learning and when someone fails to follow it, they conclude that person is flawed.  But in fact, when given the freedom to adapt their learning styles to their unique demands, dyslexics (and many other supposedly "slow" students) prove themselves as capable, mentally, as so-called normal people.  In fact one thing educators have learned -- which apparently hasn't filtered down to your level yet -- is that there is a nearly infinite variety of learning styles and that none of them is "right".</p><p>As for the GPP, I understand why the prof might recommend that his students not take notes.  I think it's misguided but his experience leads him to that conclusion and who am I to gainsay it?  But to <em>forbid</em> students from attempting to learn in the style they've developed -- a style, by the way, which seems in no way to detract from anyone choosing to do it the prof's way -- is simply arrogant and asinine.  Indeed, it's about as dumb as an obsession with "covering material" rather than, say, comprehension of same.</p><p>And by the way, your "insight"</p><blockquote><div><p>You're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that, ensuring that only a minority do well...  Wait a second, that's just what you said! Holy shit, the street goes both ways! You're right in that everyone learns different. Why couldn't you have fully applied that thought to your statements?</p></div></blockquote><p>is so transparently bogus it's hardly worth mentioning.  The parent post was not attempting to inflict a particular learning style on anyone; it was questioning why the original prof saw fit to do so.  My taking notes in no way forces you to take notes -- but the prof banning notes most certainly imposes his preferred learning style on me.  Despite that wonderful rhetorical trick you think you pulled, there is simply no equivalence in the two stands.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
I hope I am making the mistake of responding to a troll , because if you genuinely believe what you wrote , you are a sad sad person .
People with dyslexia are n't " slow " and they certainly are n't what you wanted to imply , which is stupid .
They have a neurological condition to affects their ability to visually process information -- a condition which , in fact , they can overcome by training themselves to compensate .
I teach , and I have taught dyslexics as well as non-dyslexics .
You know which group was in fact smarter on average ?
Neither ... because it 's not about " smart " .The reason ignorant people think dyslexics are " slow " is that the ignorant people have one model of learning and when someone fails to follow it , they conclude that person is flawed .
But in fact , when given the freedom to adapt their learning styles to their unique demands , dyslexics ( and many other supposedly " slow " students ) prove themselves as capable , mentally , as so-called normal people .
In fact one thing educators have learned -- which apparently has n't filtered down to your level yet -- is that there is a nearly infinite variety of learning styles and that none of them is " right " .As for the GPP , I understand why the prof might recommend that his students not take notes .
I think it 's misguided but his experience leads him to that conclusion and who am I to gainsay it ?
But to forbid students from attempting to learn in the style they 've developed -- a style , by the way , which seems in no way to detract from anyone choosing to do it the prof 's way -- is simply arrogant and asinine .
Indeed , it 's about as dumb as an obsession with " covering material " rather than , say , comprehension of same.And by the way , your " insight " You 're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that , ensuring that only a minority do well... Wait a second , that 's just what you said !
Holy shit , the street goes both ways !
You 're right in that everyone learns different .
Why could n't you have fully applied that thought to your statements ? is so transparently bogus it 's hardly worth mentioning .
The parent post was not attempting to inflict a particular learning style on anyone ; it was questioning why the original prof saw fit to do so .
My taking notes in no way forces you to take notes -- but the prof banning notes most certainly imposes his preferred learning style on me .
Despite that wonderful rhetorical trick you think you pulled , there is simply no equivalence in the two stands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
I hope I am making the mistake of responding to a troll, because if you genuinely believe what you wrote, you are a sad sad person.
People with dyslexia aren't "slow" and they certainly aren't what you wanted to imply, which is stupid.
They have a neurological condition to affects their ability to visually process information -- a condition which, in fact, they can overcome by training themselves to compensate.
I teach, and I have taught dyslexics as well as non-dyslexics.
You know which group was in fact smarter on average?
Neither ... because it's not about "smart".The reason ignorant people think dyslexics are "slow" is that the ignorant people have one model of learning and when someone fails to follow it, they conclude that person is flawed.
But in fact, when given the freedom to adapt their learning styles to their unique demands, dyslexics (and many other supposedly "slow" students) prove themselves as capable, mentally, as so-called normal people.
In fact one thing educators have learned -- which apparently hasn't filtered down to your level yet -- is that there is a nearly infinite variety of learning styles and that none of them is "right".As for the GPP, I understand why the prof might recommend that his students not take notes.
I think it's misguided but his experience leads him to that conclusion and who am I to gainsay it?
But to forbid students from attempting to learn in the style they've developed -- a style, by the way, which seems in no way to detract from anyone choosing to do it the prof's way -- is simply arrogant and asinine.
Indeed, it's about as dumb as an obsession with "covering material" rather than, say, comprehension of same.And by the way, your "insight"You're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that, ensuring that only a minority do well...  Wait a second, that's just what you said!
Holy shit, the street goes both ways!
You're right in that everyone learns different.
Why couldn't you have fully applied that thought to your statements?is so transparently bogus it's hardly worth mentioning.
The parent post was not attempting to inflict a particular learning style on anyone; it was questioning why the original prof saw fit to do so.
My taking notes in no way forces you to take notes -- but the prof banning notes most certainly imposes his preferred learning style on me.
Despite that wonderful rhetorical trick you think you pulled, there is simply no equivalence in the two stands.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916471</id>
	<title>Try Mac OS X Grapher...</title>
	<author>ttimes</author>
	<datestamp>1256810880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LaTeX is worth learning, because the other options involve a lot of clicking as well. Mac OS X has Grapher - open the equation pallet, click what you need, then drag the resulting equation to your note document - and it's free!. MathLab is similar in this regard, but you must pay for it. Either way, it may be more work than you would like. Good Luck!</htmltext>
<tokenext>LaTeX is worth learning , because the other options involve a lot of clicking as well .
Mac OS X has Grapher - open the equation pallet , click what you need , then drag the resulting equation to your note document - and it 's free ! .
MathLab is similar in this regard , but you must pay for it .
Either way , it may be more work than you would like .
Good Luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LaTeX is worth learning, because the other options involve a lot of clicking as well.
Mac OS X has Grapher - open the equation pallet, click what you need, then drag the resulting equation to your note document - and it's free!.
MathLab is similar in this regard, but you must pay for it.
Either way, it may be more work than you would like.
Good Luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916223</id>
	<title>Alternate keymap/charset</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1256810100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the set of symbols you need is less than the number of keys on your keyboard, set up an alternate keymap/charset, or a bunch of macros in the editer of your choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the set of symbols you need is less than the number of keys on your keyboard , set up an alternate keymap/charset , or a bunch of macros in the editer of your choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the set of symbols you need is less than the number of keys on your keyboard, set up an alternate keymap/charset, or a bunch of macros in the editer of your choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918477</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>niiler</author>
	<datestamp>1256820660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I have heard this theory, there is also the act of deriving in real time.  My mother-in-law, the educational psychologist, says:<ul>
<li>Doing is better than watching.  Students are more likely to catch errors as they go (this is good!) and are more likely to be engaged.  Class becomes more of an activity and less like just watching a movie.</li><li>With languages and maths, copying stimulates kinesthetic memory and makes it more likely that students recall what was said.  (note that deriving is even better).  </li></ul><p>
Although I do provide all of my notes to my students, my experience is that students who take notes in class do better.  (I too have tracked this - it would be interesting to see what we are doing differently in each of our cases.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I have heard this theory , there is also the act of deriving in real time .
My mother-in-law , the educational psychologist , says : Doing is better than watching .
Students are more likely to catch errors as they go ( this is good !
) and are more likely to be engaged .
Class becomes more of an activity and less like just watching a movie.With languages and maths , copying stimulates kinesthetic memory and makes it more likely that students recall what was said .
( note that deriving is even better ) .
Although I do provide all of my notes to my students , my experience is that students who take notes in class do better .
( I too have tracked this - it would be interesting to see what we are doing differently in each of our cases .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I have heard this theory, there is also the act of deriving in real time.
My mother-in-law, the educational psychologist, says:
Doing is better than watching.
Students are more likely to catch errors as they go (this is good!
) and are more likely to be engaged.
Class becomes more of an activity and less like just watching a movie.With languages and maths, copying stimulates kinesthetic memory and makes it more likely that students recall what was said.
(note that deriving is even better).
Although I do provide all of my notes to my students, my experience is that students who take notes in class do better.
(I too have tracked this - it would be interesting to see what we are doing differently in each of our cases.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919445</id>
	<title>LaTeX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256826420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take my notes for physics and math in LaTeX.  You should just get better.  Much cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take my notes for physics and math in LaTeX .
You should just get better .
Much cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take my notes for physics and math in LaTeX.
You should just get better.
Much cheaper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29927661</id>
	<title>Reverse Polish Notation</title>
	<author>MightyYar</author>
	<datestamp>1256934300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any engineer worth his (or her) salt knows that RPN is the way to numerically solve an equation. The algebraic entry using parentheses is for suckers. So that got me thinking... why not use RPN for equation entry? As usual, I'm late to the game. There is a Mac app <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/wataru\_maeda/software/RPN2TeX/index.html" title="mac.com">here</a> [mac.com]. Sorry, the site is Japanese...</p><p>There is a web app <a href="http://cacao.homeunix.org/RPN2TeX/" title="homeunix.org">here</a> [homeunix.org]. Seems to work well. You can make pretty big equations quickly, and the result is in tex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any engineer worth his ( or her ) salt knows that RPN is the way to numerically solve an equation .
The algebraic entry using parentheses is for suckers .
So that got me thinking... why not use RPN for equation entry ?
As usual , I 'm late to the game .
There is a Mac app here [ mac.com ] .
Sorry , the site is Japanese...There is a web app here [ homeunix.org ] .
Seems to work well .
You can make pretty big equations quickly , and the result is in tex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any engineer worth his (or her) salt knows that RPN is the way to numerically solve an equation.
The algebraic entry using parentheses is for suckers.
So that got me thinking... why not use RPN for equation entry?
As usual, I'm late to the game.
There is a Mac app here [mac.com].
Sorry, the site is Japanese...There is a web app here [homeunix.org].
Seems to work well.
You can make pretty big equations quickly, and the result is in tex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916395</id>
	<title>Flamewar HO! (emacs + tex)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>emacs has an amazing TeX input system.  You can type everynthing in normally, but most LaTeX magic is bound to a 2-3 key combination starting with `<br>I don't actually remember what everything is any more, but i did find it incredibly useful.  You may also want to cook up your own bindings for things that you like.  One of my favorites that everyone else seemed to hate was Cx ( would insert \left( \right) and leave the cursor before the \right).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>emacs has an amazing TeX input system .
You can type everynthing in normally , but most LaTeX magic is bound to a 2-3 key combination starting with ` I do n't actually remember what everything is any more , but i did find it incredibly useful .
You may also want to cook up your own bindings for things that you like .
One of my favorites that everyone else seemed to hate was Cx ( would insert \ left ( \ right ) and leave the cursor before the \ right ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>emacs has an amazing TeX input system.
You can type everynthing in normally, but most LaTeX magic is bound to a 2-3 key combination starting with `I don't actually remember what everything is any more, but i did find it incredibly useful.
You may also want to cook up your own bindings for things that you like.
One of my favorites that everyone else seemed to hate was Cx ( would insert \left( \right) and leave the cursor before the \right).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916171</id>
	<title>Feynman says</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about using a better mathematical notation system...like Iverson's apl or j<br>you must admit math notation isn't the most succinct syntax out there.</p><p>when you memorize latter - put into a file/database etc....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about using a better mathematical notation system...like Iverson 's apl or jyou must admit math notation is n't the most succinct syntax out there.when you memorize latter - put into a file/database etc... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about using a better mathematical notation system...like Iverson's apl or jyou must admit math notation isn't the most succinct syntax out there.when you memorize latter - put into a file/database etc....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918037</id>
	<title>Textbooks should support this</title>
	<author>ColoradoAuthor</author>
	<datestamp>1256817720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most math, physics, and engineering textbooks leave important equations as an "exercise for the reader."  The tradition is surprisingly pervasive--I've had to search through as many as a dozen books trying to find certain formulae.  This makes it unnecessarily difficult to find key information if one hasn't taken notes in class, or when coming back to the text for reference or review.
</p><p>
Plea to instructors and department chairs: Please choose textbooks that can serve as reference resources to your students as they study and after graduation.  Plea to authors and publishers: Please include all of the central equations, and use formatting to make it clear which equations are "universal" and which are example or special-case equations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most math , physics , and engineering textbooks leave important equations as an " exercise for the reader .
" The tradition is surprisingly pervasive--I 've had to search through as many as a dozen books trying to find certain formulae .
This makes it unnecessarily difficult to find key information if one has n't taken notes in class , or when coming back to the text for reference or review .
Plea to instructors and department chairs : Please choose textbooks that can serve as reference resources to your students as they study and after graduation .
Plea to authors and publishers : Please include all of the central equations , and use formatting to make it clear which equations are " universal " and which are example or special-case equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most math, physics, and engineering textbooks leave important equations as an "exercise for the reader.
"  The tradition is surprisingly pervasive--I've had to search through as many as a dozen books trying to find certain formulae.
This makes it unnecessarily difficult to find key information if one hasn't taken notes in class, or when coming back to the text for reference or review.
Plea to instructors and department chairs: Please choose textbooks that can serve as reference resources to your students as they study and after graduation.
Plea to authors and publishers: Please include all of the central equations, and use formatting to make it clear which equations are "universal" and which are example or special-case equations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916209</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>Chryana</author>
	<datestamp>1256810040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was a math major not so long ago, and I used a tablet pc at the time... It worked fairly well, although I never digitized what I wrote down, and didn't really look into it either. I'm not sure you would get good results with a Wacom tablet though. I know another student in a class (computer, this time) I took tried that, and he could not even read what he wrote. So if you decide to try it, you may want to keep your receipt. Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a math major not so long ago , and I used a tablet pc at the time... It worked fairly well , although I never digitized what I wrote down , and did n't really look into it either .
I 'm not sure you would get good results with a Wacom tablet though .
I know another student in a class ( computer , this time ) I took tried that , and he could not even read what he wrote .
So if you decide to try it , you may want to keep your receipt .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a math major not so long ago, and I used a tablet pc at the time... It worked fairly well, although I never digitized what I wrote down, and didn't really look into it either.
I'm not sure you would get good results with a Wacom tablet though.
I know another student in a class (computer, this time) I took tried that, and he could not even read what he wrote.
So if you decide to try it, you may want to keep your receipt.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916091</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>ITRambo</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..and paper never crashes or needs to be recharged.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..and paper never crashes or needs to be recharged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..and paper never crashes or needs to be recharged.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924497</id>
	<title>Wacom or Trust</title>
	<author>Mattsson</author>
	<datestamp>1256920500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.wacom.com/" title="wacom.com">Wacom</a> [wacom.com] has a few cheap low end tablets that are not marketed as graphics-tools and if you want to go really cheap there's always the tablets made by <a href="http://www.trust.com/" title="trust.com">Trust.</a> [trust.com]<br>But if you are going to use a tablet to make your notes you will probably find that it is easier, faster and result in higher quality to use a good pen, a blank (no lines or grid) paper and then scan it. That also has the benefit that you don't have to set up your computer during lecture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wacom [ wacom.com ] has a few cheap low end tablets that are not marketed as graphics-tools and if you want to go really cheap there 's always the tablets made by Trust .
[ trust.com ] But if you are going to use a tablet to make your notes you will probably find that it is easier , faster and result in higher quality to use a good pen , a blank ( no lines or grid ) paper and then scan it .
That also has the benefit that you do n't have to set up your computer during lecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wacom [wacom.com] has a few cheap low end tablets that are not marketed as graphics-tools and if you want to go really cheap there's always the tablets made by Trust.
[trust.com]But if you are going to use a tablet to make your notes you will probably find that it is easier, faster and result in higher quality to use a good pen, a blank (no lines or grid) paper and then scan it.
That also has the benefit that you don't have to set up your computer during lecture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920887</id>
	<title>LaTeX all the way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Besides pen &amp; paper LaTeX is the way to go. Initially your speed will be slow, but you will be amazed how fast you can type when in full flow.</p><p>Additionally you may use macros keyboard macros to speed up even further!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides pen &amp; paper LaTeX is the way to go .
Initially your speed will be slow , but you will be amazed how fast you can type when in full flow.Additionally you may use macros keyboard macros to speed up even further !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides pen &amp; paper LaTeX is the way to go.
Initially your speed will be slow, but you will be amazed how fast you can type when in full flow.Additionally you may use macros keyboard macros to speed up even further!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921835</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>ZerdZerd</author>
	<datestamp>1256901000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem of course if bad handwriting. If my handwriting was like Dijkstra's, I would definitely write a lot... But most CS students have bad handwriting... so we hate to write. And we type faster on a computer too. So if we just could type formulas as fast as text...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem of course if bad handwriting .
If my handwriting was like Dijkstra 's , I would definitely write a lot... But most CS students have bad handwriting... so we hate to write .
And we type faster on a computer too .
So if we just could type formulas as fast as text.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem of course if bad handwriting.
If my handwriting was like Dijkstra's, I would definitely write a lot... But most CS students have bad handwriting... so we hate to write.
And we type faster on a computer too.
So if we just could type formulas as fast as text...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917963</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1256817240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree with this.  I did exactly what you suggested when I was in school.  If you went to the computer lab there was a scanner with a document feeder available.  This was a number of years ago now; these days you can probably expect to find them in every academic building on campus.  In my case I was in Information Science and Minoring in Comp Sci so I was always near the computer lab anyway.</p><p>For those class where I could not just keep a terminal window open to my shell account and type my notes and or for classes like math or Computer architecture where I really needed to sketch things this was they way to fly.  I just scanned it to tiff after class and copied it to my home directory.</p><p>It was great because I could review my notes anywhere on campus and just fetch them to my home system via ftp with a shell script each night; never had to carry around much of anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with this .
I did exactly what you suggested when I was in school .
If you went to the computer lab there was a scanner with a document feeder available .
This was a number of years ago now ; these days you can probably expect to find them in every academic building on campus .
In my case I was in Information Science and Minoring in Comp Sci so I was always near the computer lab anyway.For those class where I could not just keep a terminal window open to my shell account and type my notes and or for classes like math or Computer architecture where I really needed to sketch things this was they way to fly .
I just scanned it to tiff after class and copied it to my home directory.It was great because I could review my notes anywhere on campus and just fetch them to my home system via ftp with a shell script each night ; never had to carry around much of anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with this.
I did exactly what you suggested when I was in school.
If you went to the computer lab there was a scanner with a document feeder available.
This was a number of years ago now; these days you can probably expect to find them in every academic building on campus.
In my case I was in Information Science and Minoring in Comp Sci so I was always near the computer lab anyway.For those class where I could not just keep a terminal window open to my shell account and type my notes and or for classes like math or Computer architecture where I really needed to sketch things this was they way to fly.
I just scanned it to tiff after class and copied it to my home directory.It was great because I could review my notes anywhere on campus and just fetch them to my home system via ftp with a shell script each night; never had to carry around much of anything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923359</id>
	<title>Keyboard shortcut systems for LaTeX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you use LaTeX, there are some programs that define keyboard shortcut packages that that vastly cut down the typing required.  Using them takes a little bit of getting used to, but once you do, they may be exactly what you're looking for.</p><p>If you use Emacs, my favorite is Ultra-TeX:<br>http://www.math.washington.edu/~palmieri/ultratex.php.<br>It does a bunch of things that speed up LaTeXing.  For example, when you type a dollar sign, it automatically inserts a matching one.  If you type '$' again, it cycles through the different equation environments (equation, align, etc.) until you get the one you want.  It also dynamically completes commands once you've typed enough to uniquely specify them, lets you type  "  `a `b `g<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..." to produce the Greek letters " \alpha, \beta, \gamma", gives you a opening and closing braces automatically when you type "\_" or "^" and puts your cursor in the right place, along with many more little tweaks that save a lot of time.</p><p>If you're not an Emacs user but use UNIX or Mac OS X, another good alternative is:<br>http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~fastex/.</p><p>(Or, if you use Mac OS X and don't know how to work Emacs, you might want to try Aquamacs (http://aquamacs.org/), which is an Emacs implementation for Mac OS X that adds a standard Mac OS interface to Emacs and really shortens the learning curve.  Then you can use Ultra-TeX without having to learn Emacs at the same time.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you use LaTeX , there are some programs that define keyboard shortcut packages that that vastly cut down the typing required .
Using them takes a little bit of getting used to , but once you do , they may be exactly what you 're looking for.If you use Emacs , my favorite is Ultra-TeX : http : //www.math.washington.edu/ ~ palmieri/ultratex.php.It does a bunch of things that speed up LaTeXing .
For example , when you type a dollar sign , it automatically inserts a matching one .
If you type ' $ ' again , it cycles through the different equation environments ( equation , align , etc .
) until you get the one you want .
It also dynamically completes commands once you 've typed enough to uniquely specify them , lets you type " ` a ` b ` g ... " to produce the Greek letters " \ alpha , \ beta , \ gamma " , gives you a opening and closing braces automatically when you type " \ _ " or " ^ " and puts your cursor in the right place , along with many more little tweaks that save a lot of time.If you 're not an Emacs user but use UNIX or Mac OS X , another good alternative is : http : //www.cds.caltech.edu/ ~ fastex/ .
( Or , if you use Mac OS X and do n't know how to work Emacs , you might want to try Aquamacs ( http : //aquamacs.org/ ) , which is an Emacs implementation for Mac OS X that adds a standard Mac OS interface to Emacs and really shortens the learning curve .
Then you can use Ultra-TeX without having to learn Emacs at the same time .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you use LaTeX, there are some programs that define keyboard shortcut packages that that vastly cut down the typing required.
Using them takes a little bit of getting used to, but once you do, they may be exactly what you're looking for.If you use Emacs, my favorite is Ultra-TeX:http://www.math.washington.edu/~palmieri/ultratex.php.It does a bunch of things that speed up LaTeXing.
For example, when you type a dollar sign, it automatically inserts a matching one.
If you type '$' again, it cycles through the different equation environments (equation, align, etc.
) until you get the one you want.
It also dynamically completes commands once you've typed enough to uniquely specify them, lets you type  "  `a `b `g ..." to produce the Greek letters " \alpha, \beta, \gamma", gives you a opening and closing braces automatically when you type "\_" or "^" and puts your cursor in the right place, along with many more little tweaks that save a lot of time.If you're not an Emacs user but use UNIX or Mac OS X, another good alternative is:http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~fastex/.
(Or, if you use Mac OS X and don't know how to work Emacs, you might want to try Aquamacs (http://aquamacs.org/), which is an Emacs implementation for Mac OS X that adds a standard Mac OS interface to Emacs and really shortens the learning curve.
Then you can use Ultra-TeX without having to learn Emacs at the same time.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921935</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do know that the attention span differs between people. Some can't focus on one thing only. Like with ADHD. And writing down what you said is one good way of getting back on track if they "wander" their thoughts. We all have different memory capabilites... some remember everything they've heard or seen.. other's can only remember what they have repeated...</p><p>And you're also saying that the lecture notes is better than all students' notes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know that the attention span differs between people .
Some ca n't focus on one thing only .
Like with ADHD .
And writing down what you said is one good way of getting back on track if they " wander " their thoughts .
We all have different memory capabilites... some remember everything they 've heard or seen.. other 's can only remember what they have repeated...And you 're also saying that the lecture notes is better than all students ' notes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know that the attention span differs between people.
Some can't focus on one thing only.
Like with ADHD.
And writing down what you said is one good way of getting back on track if they "wander" their thoughts.
We all have different memory capabilites... some remember everything they've heard or seen.. other's can only remember what they have repeated...And you're also saying that the lecture notes is better than all students' notes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919691</id>
	<title>Take it from a math grad...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256828400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pencil and Paper buddy. Pencil and paper.  No one involved in high-level math writes stuff down on a computer until it's finished. No serious math student takes notes on a computer. Plain and simple.</p><p>Whatever advice people here give will work for certain rigid examples, but inevitably you will find some subtle math notation that you can not accurately express in any computerized form (that's at all quick).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pencil and Paper buddy .
Pencil and paper .
No one involved in high-level math writes stuff down on a computer until it 's finished .
No serious math student takes notes on a computer .
Plain and simple.Whatever advice people here give will work for certain rigid examples , but inevitably you will find some subtle math notation that you can not accurately express in any computerized form ( that 's at all quick ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pencil and Paper buddy.
Pencil and paper.
No one involved in high-level math writes stuff down on a computer until it's finished.
No serious math student takes notes on a computer.
Plain and simple.Whatever advice people here give will work for certain rigid examples, but inevitably you will find some subtle math notation that you can not accurately express in any computerized form (that's at all quick).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923045</id>
	<title>Re:My experience</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1256914020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>- I hate writing, and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.<br>- I was using computers way before anyone else in my school</p></div><p>You just said the same thing twice.</p></div>
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<tokenext>- I hate writing , and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.- I was using computers way before anyone else in my schoolYou just said the same thing twice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- I hate writing, and always have and avoid it wherever possible - it hurts my hand and my handwriting is awful.- I was using computers way before anyone else in my schoolYou just said the same thing twice.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916859</id>
	<title>1968?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1256812380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once took a class in AI in which the professor showed us a film from the late 1960's that demonstrated just such a tool. You wrote an equation in math notation with a light-pen (or something similar) on to a screen, and it translated your marks (pen movements) into an internal representation and then displayed a formatted version on the screen. (Professor Blackwell, I think was his name, and he worked on part of that project before teaching.)</p><p>If it could be done for a research project in the late 60's, then surely it's still technically possible and could probably do better. It's amazing that much of the UI technology we take for granted now existed in the 60's (as expensive research projects). Graphical GUI's, dragging, mice, light-pens, stroke character recognition, etc. Sutherland's great work included. Much of it was funded by the military for use in radar analysis, interactive flight planning, etc. Xerox extended these by using the overlapping paper metaphor in the 70's.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once took a class in AI in which the professor showed us a film from the late 1960 's that demonstrated just such a tool .
You wrote an equation in math notation with a light-pen ( or something similar ) on to a screen , and it translated your marks ( pen movements ) into an internal representation and then displayed a formatted version on the screen .
( Professor Blackwell , I think was his name , and he worked on part of that project before teaching .
) If it could be done for a research project in the late 60 's , then surely it 's still technically possible and could probably do better .
It 's amazing that much of the UI technology we take for granted now existed in the 60 's ( as expensive research projects ) .
Graphical GUI 's , dragging , mice , light-pens , stroke character recognition , etc .
Sutherland 's great work included .
Much of it was funded by the military for use in radar analysis , interactive flight planning , etc .
Xerox extended these by using the overlapping paper metaphor in the 70 's .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once took a class in AI in which the professor showed us a film from the late 1960's that demonstrated just such a tool.
You wrote an equation in math notation with a light-pen (or something similar) on to a screen, and it translated your marks (pen movements) into an internal representation and then displayed a formatted version on the screen.
(Professor Blackwell, I think was his name, and he worked on part of that project before teaching.
)If it could be done for a research project in the late 60's, then surely it's still technically possible and could probably do better.
It's amazing that much of the UI technology we take for granted now existed in the 60's (as expensive research projects).
Graphical GUI's, dragging, mice, light-pens, stroke character recognition, etc.
Sutherland's great work included.
Much of it was funded by the military for use in radar analysis, interactive flight planning, etc.
Xerox extended these by using the overlapping paper metaphor in the 70's.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924841</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematica</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1256921940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trouble is that it's either expensive or illegal. The student version is about $180 I think. That's a great value for Mathematica but not for an equation editor. If you need the software anyways, it's a terrific investment but otherwise, not so much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble is that it 's either expensive or illegal .
The student version is about $ 180 I think .
That 's a great value for Mathematica but not for an equation editor .
If you need the software anyways , it 's a terrific investment but otherwise , not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble is that it's either expensive or illegal.
The student version is about $180 I think.
That's a great value for Mathematica but not for an equation editor.
If you need the software anyways, it's a terrific investment but otherwise, not so much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922375</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>tomtomtom</author>
	<datestamp>1256908860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anything worth writing is worth writing once. If someone already wrote it in the text book. Then that is good enough for me.</p></div><p>I have to disagree with you there. Personally when I was at university (I read mathematics) I found there was a huge amount of value to be had in the physical act of copying out the equations and text from the blackboard (either by hand or by computer but generally by hand). It forces your brain to slow down, concentrate properly and take in what's being said for one (which is no mean feat); for another, a lot of people (me included) find that the very act of copying out word-for-word helps them commit the concepts to memory.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything worth writing is worth writing once .
If someone already wrote it in the text book .
Then that is good enough for me.I have to disagree with you there .
Personally when I was at university ( I read mathematics ) I found there was a huge amount of value to be had in the physical act of copying out the equations and text from the blackboard ( either by hand or by computer but generally by hand ) .
It forces your brain to slow down , concentrate properly and take in what 's being said for one ( which is no mean feat ) ; for another , a lot of people ( me included ) find that the very act of copying out word-for-word helps them commit the concepts to memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything worth writing is worth writing once.
If someone already wrote it in the text book.
Then that is good enough for me.I have to disagree with you there.
Personally when I was at university (I read mathematics) I found there was a huge amount of value to be had in the physical act of copying out the equations and text from the blackboard (either by hand or by computer but generally by hand).
It forces your brain to slow down, concentrate properly and take in what's being said for one (which is no mean feat); for another, a lot of people (me included) find that the very act of copying out word-for-word helps them commit the concepts to memory.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922047</id>
	<title>Waragainstsleep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try the Aiptek MyNote. Awesome piece of kit and you don't even need the computer in order to take your notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try the Aiptek MyNote .
Awesome piece of kit and you do n't even need the computer in order to take your notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try the Aiptek MyNote.
Awesome piece of kit and you don't even need the computer in order to take your notes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923881</id>
	<title>Subject</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1256918100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still have two enormous notebooks full of math notes from the classes I took...and I finished school some 13 years ago. Remind me why you need this information on the laptop, again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still have two enormous notebooks full of math notes from the classes I took...and I finished school some 13 years ago .
Remind me why you need this information on the laptop , again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still have two enormous notebooks full of math notes from the classes I took...and I finished school some 13 years ago.
Remind me why you need this information on the laptop, again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922463</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>vtTom</author>
	<datestamp>1256909760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's called the Book</p></div><p>At many advanced institutes of higher learning, especially at the graduate level, is it not uncommon for there to be NO BOOK.  The professor's weekly scrawlings on the blackboard are all you get.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's called the BookAt many advanced institutes of higher learning , especially at the graduate level , is it not uncommon for there to be NO BOOK .
The professor 's weekly scrawlings on the blackboard are all you get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's called the BookAt many advanced institutes of higher learning, especially at the graduate level, is it not uncommon for there to be NO BOOK.
The professor's weekly scrawlings on the blackboard are all you get.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918125</id>
	<title>AdamDecaf</title>
	<author>adamdecaf</author>
	<datestamp>1256818320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you thought of adding footnote type markers to your notes and then writing the equation(s) down on paper.  Later you can add them into your digital notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you thought of adding footnote type markers to your notes and then writing the equation ( s ) down on paper .
Later you can add them into your digital notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you thought of adding footnote type markers to your notes and then writing the equation(s) down on paper.
Later you can add them into your digital notes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917027</id>
	<title>google docs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>doesn't google docs have a good equation editor?</p><p>http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-docs-has-equation-editor.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>does n't google docs have a good equation editor ? http : //googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-docs-has-equation-editor.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doesn't google docs have a good equation editor?http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/09/google-docs-has-equation-editor.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919345</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>yellowstone</author>
	<datestamp>1256825700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out, it's called the Book.</em>

<p>1) You never had an instructor talk about something not in the text?  </p><p>2) Personally, I find taking notes during lecture (or reading a text!) helps me retain the information, even if I already have my own record of what's being discussed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out , it 's called the Book .
1 ) You never had an instructor talk about something not in the text ?
2 ) Personally , I find taking notes during lecture ( or reading a text !
) helps me retain the information , even if I already have my own record of what 's being discussed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already have a HUGE set of properly formatted equations all nicely written out, it's called the Book.
1) You never had an instructor talk about something not in the text?
2) Personally, I find taking notes during lecture (or reading a text!
) helps me retain the information, even if I already have my own record of what's being discussed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919541</id>
	<title>If that's how you learn</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1256827140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If that's how you, as an individual, learn, then whining about it and trying to get the professor fired for failing to accomodate your special needs is a selfish jerk thing to do.  If you're that special the obvious cure is to skip physical attendance, take the handouts and the video and transcribe the event at your leisure.
</p><p>But no, you're enough of a jerk to impose the limitations of your special needs on all of the normally abled people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If that 's how you , as an individual , learn , then whining about it and trying to get the professor fired for failing to accomodate your special needs is a selfish jerk thing to do .
If you 're that special the obvious cure is to skip physical attendance , take the handouts and the video and transcribe the event at your leisure .
But no , you 're enough of a jerk to impose the limitations of your special needs on all of the normally abled people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that's how you, as an individual, learn, then whining about it and trying to get the professor fired for failing to accomodate your special needs is a selfish jerk thing to do.
If you're that special the obvious cure is to skip physical attendance, take the handouts and the video and transcribe the event at your leisure.
But no, you're enough of a jerk to impose the limitations of your special needs on all of the normally abled people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920397</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  For my own mind, an audio recording device is specialized enough.</p><p>Paper/Pencil let the subconsciousness and conscious work as a team, while electronic separates the two.  This makes fuzzy and logical classes harder, because the mind visualizes the equation working(creative mixed with logical reasoning).</p><p>Though if the instructor has a political opinion and mentally wants their students to be parrots, then electronic can be useful.  Much like memorizing an opponents chess moves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
For my own mind , an audio recording device is specialized enough.Paper/Pencil let the subconsciousness and conscious work as a team , while electronic separates the two .
This makes fuzzy and logical classes harder , because the mind visualizes the equation working ( creative mixed with logical reasoning ) .Though if the instructor has a political opinion and mentally wants their students to be parrots , then electronic can be useful .
Much like memorizing an opponents chess moves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
For my own mind, an audio recording device is specialized enough.Paper/Pencil let the subconsciousness and conscious work as a team, while electronic separates the two.
This makes fuzzy and logical classes harder, because the mind visualizes the equation working(creative mixed with logical reasoning).Though if the instructor has a political opinion and mentally wants their students to be parrots, then electronic can be useful.
Much like memorizing an opponents chess moves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916019</id>
	<title>Kids...</title>
	<author>DJ Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use a freaking pencil and paper man.  It might be nice to be able to "sort" and "categorize" them for shits and giggles on the weekends but when you're taking a test I doubt you're going to be able to use a "search" system on your computer. Most professors don't require you to memorize giant formulas but they expect you to be able to recall the general uses of certain formulas from memory and be able to apply them out of context to solve larger problems.  If you ever work in a mathematical field you will all also need this ability later in life, you might as well start building a "mental" search system now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a freaking pencil and paper man .
It might be nice to be able to " sort " and " categorize " them for shits and giggles on the weekends but when you 're taking a test I doubt you 're going to be able to use a " search " system on your computer .
Most professors do n't require you to memorize giant formulas but they expect you to be able to recall the general uses of certain formulas from memory and be able to apply them out of context to solve larger problems .
If you ever work in a mathematical field you will all also need this ability later in life , you might as well start building a " mental " search system now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a freaking pencil and paper man.
It might be nice to be able to "sort" and "categorize" them for shits and giggles on the weekends but when you're taking a test I doubt you're going to be able to use a "search" system on your computer.
Most professors don't require you to memorize giant formulas but they expect you to be able to recall the general uses of certain formulas from memory and be able to apply them out of context to solve larger problems.
If you ever work in a mathematical field you will all also need this ability later in life, you might as well start building a "mental" search system now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919303</id>
	<title>Pen and Paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, for stuff like equations, quick-and-dirty diagrams and the like nothing beats a pen and paper.  You can type it all up later if you like - in fact going back over the material, retyping and summarising is a great way to learn - but for spur of the moment, need to get it written down now stuff it's hard to beat the old pen and paper combo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , for stuff like equations , quick-and-dirty diagrams and the like nothing beats a pen and paper .
You can type it all up later if you like - in fact going back over the material , retyping and summarising is a great way to learn - but for spur of the moment , need to get it written down now stuff it 's hard to beat the old pen and paper combo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, for stuff like equations, quick-and-dirty diagrams and the like nothing beats a pen and paper.
You can type it all up later if you like - in fact going back over the material, retyping and summarising is a great way to learn - but for spur of the moment, need to get it written down now stuff it's hard to beat the old pen and paper combo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920853</id>
	<title>Pen and paper</title>
	<author>TeXMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1256841180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Still the fastest way. Then retype your notes on the computer when you get back home. The quick refresh on retype is also good for your memory.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still the fastest way .
Then retype your notes on the computer when you get back home .
The quick refresh on retype is also good for your memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still the fastest way.
Then retype your notes on the computer when you get back home.
The quick refresh on retype is also good for your memory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915865</id>
	<title>pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pencil/paper and digitizing later should be fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pencil/paper and digitizing later should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pencil/paper and digitizing later should be fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916273</id>
	<title>I use Mathematica in class.</title>
	<author>VGVL</author>
	<datestamp>1256810220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using Wolfram Mathematica to take class notes and exams for years.

By using the keyboard shortcuts you can easily keep up with the class. You can also have instant interactive graphs which will be much easier to understand than anything a professor could draw on a board, although it's not like my professors write on the board as they use Mathematica or Matlab to teach the class as well. This is at a private university in Mexico.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Wolfram Mathematica to take class notes and exams for years .
By using the keyboard shortcuts you can easily keep up with the class .
You can also have instant interactive graphs which will be much easier to understand than anything a professor could draw on a board , although it 's not like my professors write on the board as they use Mathematica or Matlab to teach the class as well .
This is at a private university in Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Wolfram Mathematica to take class notes and exams for years.
By using the keyboard shortcuts you can easily keep up with the class.
You can also have instant interactive graphs which will be much easier to understand than anything a professor could draw on a board, although it's not like my professors write on the board as they use Mathematica or Matlab to teach the class as well.
This is at a private university in Mexico.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916809</id>
	<title>MS Equation editor</title>
	<author>jzhos</author>
	<datestamp>1256812140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft's Equation Editor isn't even worth mentioning</p></div><p>Why the equation editor is not even worth mentioning? The one comes with Office 2007 is pretty good. Some of my friends are more likely to use Word instead of exclusively Latex because of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft 's Equation Editor is n't even worth mentioningWhy the equation editor is not even worth mentioning ?
The one comes with Office 2007 is pretty good .
Some of my friends are more likely to use Word instead of exclusively Latex because of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft's Equation Editor isn't even worth mentioningWhy the equation editor is not even worth mentioning?
The one comes with Office 2007 is pretty good.
Some of my friends are more likely to use Word instead of exclusively Latex because of it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29929293</id>
	<title>Handwriting recognition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256899680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get handwriting recognition software/hardware. Then write the equation in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get handwriting recognition software/hardware .
Then write the equation in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get handwriting recognition software/hardware.
Then write the equation in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917173</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why Microsoft? There's a million Linux packages that could handle this. You're nothing but a fucking shill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why Microsoft ?
There 's a million Linux packages that could handle this .
You 're nothing but a fucking shill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why Microsoft?
There's a million Linux packages that could handle this.
You're nothing but a fucking shill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917093</id>
	<title>Re: Not answering his question</title>
	<author>g01d4</author>
	<datestamp>1256813280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not clear to most posters why he's already assumed the keyboard bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not clear to most posters why he 's already assumed the keyboard bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not clear to most posters why he's already assumed the keyboard bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923105</id>
	<title>How about Maple?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256914320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I don't recall exactly which methods for inputting equations it supports, I do remember that Maple (http://www.maplesoft.com) is a great tool for working with mathematics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I do n't recall exactly which methods for inputting equations it supports , I do remember that Maple ( http : //www.maplesoft.com ) is a great tool for working with mathematics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I don't recall exactly which methods for inputting equations it supports, I do remember that Maple (http://www.maplesoft.com) is a great tool for working with mathematics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917019</id>
	<title>Don't bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a complete waste of time. Notes are useless after the course is done. I kept mine for 10 years after I graduated, then tossed them. Textbooks are of some use. Cheat sheet were the most useful. If you MUST write notes digitally, the just put a number for the equation. Then write the equation down on a piece of paper, and type it out later. Or have some generic equations pre-written in another file, crtl+c, crtl+v. Honestly, in 10 years or less you will find that all your typing was a complete waste of time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a complete waste of time .
Notes are useless after the course is done .
I kept mine for 10 years after I graduated , then tossed them .
Textbooks are of some use .
Cheat sheet were the most useful .
If you MUST write notes digitally , the just put a number for the equation .
Then write the equation down on a piece of paper , and type it out later .
Or have some generic equations pre-written in another file , crtl + c , crtl + v .
Honestly , in 10 years or less you will find that all your typing was a complete waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a complete waste of time.
Notes are useless after the course is done.
I kept mine for 10 years after I graduated, then tossed them.
Textbooks are of some use.
Cheat sheet were the most useful.
If you MUST write notes digitally, the just put a number for the equation.
Then write the equation down on a piece of paper, and type it out later.
Or have some generic equations pre-written in another file, crtl+c, crtl+v.
Honestly, in 10 years or less you will find that all your typing was a complete waste of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921499</id>
	<title>Willing to go open-source with windows tool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256895000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I've been writing this COM-server for windows, which you can use to add equations to wherever (say, Word). basically 2 modes of operations:</p><p>(a) Click a toolbar button and an editbox opens where you type your expression in a simple infix notation (e.g. @integ(-#inf#,#inf#, x^(@root(y)), y) and it's inserted as a rendered equation<br>(b) Type the infix notation expression in your word document, select the text and click a toolbar button to convert to a rendered equation.</p><p>I haven't touched it in a long while but it's quite in a working shape, easily maintained etc.<br>Several people have used it and were quite happy with it.</p><p>I didn't want to go into the trouble of releasing and maintaining the source because I don't know how useful this would be for people, but if there's enough interest expressed in replies here I'll be more than happy to do so.<br>I'll monitor this thread over the weekend and post the location...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 've been writing this COM-server for windows , which you can use to add equations to wherever ( say , Word ) .
basically 2 modes of operations : ( a ) Click a toolbar button and an editbox opens where you type your expression in a simple infix notation ( e.g .
@ integ ( - # inf # , # inf # , x ^ ( @ root ( y ) ) , y ) and it 's inserted as a rendered equation ( b ) Type the infix notation expression in your word document , select the text and click a toolbar button to convert to a rendered equation.I have n't touched it in a long while but it 's quite in a working shape , easily maintained etc.Several people have used it and were quite happy with it.I did n't want to go into the trouble of releasing and maintaining the source because I do n't know how useful this would be for people , but if there 's enough interest expressed in replies here I 'll be more than happy to do so.I 'll monitor this thread over the weekend and post the location.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I've been writing this COM-server for windows, which you can use to add equations to wherever (say, Word).
basically 2 modes of operations:(a) Click a toolbar button and an editbox opens where you type your expression in a simple infix notation (e.g.
@integ(-#inf#,#inf#, x^(@root(y)), y) and it's inserted as a rendered equation(b) Type the infix notation expression in your word document, select the text and click a toolbar button to convert to a rendered equation.I haven't touched it in a long while but it's quite in a working shape, easily maintained etc.Several people have used it and were quite happy with it.I didn't want to go into the trouble of releasing and maintaining the source because I don't know how useful this would be for people, but if there's enough interest expressed in replies here I'll be more than happy to do so.I'll monitor this thread over the weekend and post the location...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916165</id>
	<title>PDA or you can have my Acer Travelmate C112</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1256809920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Installed linux on it: i got an Acer C112 i'm not using, battery's stuffed but the keyboard is almost brand-new, replaced it only a couple of months before getting a new one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but seriously, i'm not here to sell you my old laptop, but to recommend that you look up any 2nd hand smartphone or touchscreen PDA, and use the "drawing" program, simple as that.</p><p>you can then insert the images into your notes, afterwards.  pay attention \_do\_ try to get a linux-based one: not only do my natural instincts abhor proprietary software but you may find it inconvenient to convert from proprietary PDA / Wince image formats into something you can actually use.</p><p>of course, when you've got a "real" job you can afford $1000+ on a decent tablet PC, but then you'll not be needing to take maths notes from lecturers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Installed linux on it : i got an Acer C112 i 'm not using , battery 's stuffed but the keyboard is almost brand-new , replaced it only a couple of months before getting a new one : ) ... but seriously , i 'm not here to sell you my old laptop , but to recommend that you look up any 2nd hand smartphone or touchscreen PDA , and use the " drawing " program , simple as that.you can then insert the images into your notes , afterwards .
pay attention \ _do \ _ try to get a linux-based one : not only do my natural instincts abhor proprietary software but you may find it inconvenient to convert from proprietary PDA / Wince image formats into something you can actually use.of course , when you 've got a " real " job you can afford $ 1000 + on a decent tablet PC , but then you 'll not be needing to take maths notes from lecturers : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Installed linux on it: i got an Acer C112 i'm not using, battery's stuffed but the keyboard is almost brand-new, replaced it only a couple of months before getting a new one :) ... but seriously, i'm not here to sell you my old laptop, but to recommend that you look up any 2nd hand smartphone or touchscreen PDA, and use the "drawing" program, simple as that.you can then insert the images into your notes, afterwards.
pay attention \_do\_ try to get a linux-based one: not only do my natural instincts abhor proprietary software but you may find it inconvenient to convert from proprietary PDA / Wince image formats into something you can actually use.of course, when you've got a "real" job you can afford $1000+ on a decent tablet PC, but then you'll not be needing to take maths notes from lecturers :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917773</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>BlindSpot</author>
	<datestamp>1256816220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, since we're on the subject, here's another "solution":</p><p>Source the net - he can use reCAPTCHA to translate his scanned notes for him!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , since we 're on the subject , here 's another " solution " : Source the net - he can use reCAPTCHA to translate his scanned notes for him !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, since we're on the subject, here's another "solution":Source the net - he can use reCAPTCHA to translate his scanned notes for him!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918675</id>
	<title>TC1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256821740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TC1100 Tablet computers are running as low as $300 on ebay. I use one of these paired with OneNote 2007 and it works pretty great</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TC1100 Tablet computers are running as low as $ 300 on ebay .
I use one of these paired with OneNote 2007 and it works pretty great</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TC1100 Tablet computers are running as low as $300 on ebay.
I use one of these paired with OneNote 2007 and it works pretty great</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922959</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256913420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Troll marked 5 insightful? LOL @<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers.</p><p>First, you're hypothetically a student, then hypothetically a dean. It's nice to know how you'd react if you ever had that professor or they worked for you, except it's not happening and no one cares.</p><p>No one forces you to take the course with that professor. Let the students who want to learn that way do so. You'd take away the ability for people to learn because of your personal belief or learning disorder? Also, nothing stops you from learning the way you want. Make a copy of the notes provided by hand and you've just learned by writing. I would think this is better than the traditional method, since you'll never write down the wrong thing because you couldn't see the board up front.</p><p>You're not the dean, so that's irrelevant, and I think you'd have a hard time firing a professor simply because they provide notes to the students and require them to pay attention. Good luck with that considering the professor you responded to also posted that their students get better grades, which is the current measure of the students learning.</p><p>Seriously... if someone is at the college level and learned nothing from a professor who gives them the notes and requires they pay attention during lectures they need to consider bagging groceries or working a fry-o-lator like the rest of the borderline retarded, who're unable to focus long enough to learn some material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Troll marked 5 insightful ?
LOL @ /.ers.First , you 're hypothetically a student , then hypothetically a dean .
It 's nice to know how you 'd react if you ever had that professor or they worked for you , except it 's not happening and no one cares.No one forces you to take the course with that professor .
Let the students who want to learn that way do so .
You 'd take away the ability for people to learn because of your personal belief or learning disorder ?
Also , nothing stops you from learning the way you want .
Make a copy of the notes provided by hand and you 've just learned by writing .
I would think this is better than the traditional method , since you 'll never write down the wrong thing because you could n't see the board up front.You 're not the dean , so that 's irrelevant , and I think you 'd have a hard time firing a professor simply because they provide notes to the students and require them to pay attention .
Good luck with that considering the professor you responded to also posted that their students get better grades , which is the current measure of the students learning.Seriously... if someone is at the college level and learned nothing from a professor who gives them the notes and requires they pay attention during lectures they need to consider bagging groceries or working a fry-o-lator like the rest of the borderline retarded , who 're unable to focus long enough to learn some material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Troll marked 5 insightful?
LOL @ /.ers.First, you're hypothetically a student, then hypothetically a dean.
It's nice to know how you'd react if you ever had that professor or they worked for you, except it's not happening and no one cares.No one forces you to take the course with that professor.
Let the students who want to learn that way do so.
You'd take away the ability for people to learn because of your personal belief or learning disorder?
Also, nothing stops you from learning the way you want.
Make a copy of the notes provided by hand and you've just learned by writing.
I would think this is better than the traditional method, since you'll never write down the wrong thing because you couldn't see the board up front.You're not the dean, so that's irrelevant, and I think you'd have a hard time firing a professor simply because they provide notes to the students and require them to pay attention.
Good luck with that considering the professor you responded to also posted that their students get better grades, which is the current measure of the students learning.Seriously... if someone is at the college level and learned nothing from a professor who gives them the notes and requires they pay attention during lectures they need to consider bagging groceries or working a fry-o-lator like the rest of the borderline retarded, who're unable to focus long enough to learn some material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923809</id>
	<title>Your personal opinion is not helping</title>
	<author>PuckSR</author>
	<datestamp>1256917800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I now know that most of the posters on slashdot encourage the use of a pen and paper for various reasons.<br>Let me explain why copying the notes feverishly isn't the best idea.</p><p>Yes, a lot of people remember things they have written down.<br>However, I would argue that actually understanding the equation/notes you are writing down is far more important than memorizing it.<br>I say this as someone with a degree in mathematics and engineering.</p><p>It really depends on the course and the person if you want to transcribe everything or not.<br>I knew students who would write down the notes, go home and copy them, and then do it again.<br>I also knew a student who never took any notes.  He used to say, "the information is in the book, I am trying to understand the lecture".  That student is now a professor of Electrical Engineering at a major university.</p><p>I am not going to question why the original poster wants to do everything on a computer, I will just help him.<br>Mathcad is exceptionally clean and simple for "writing" math.  It is the best solution I have seen.  Unfortunately, it is designed for active math solutions...so it may not be the best solution.  I would give it a try though.  I know that for engineering classes it was one of the most helpful programs I ever used.</p><p>As far as "higher level math courses", it depends on what you actually mean.  My higher level math courses were all theory courses.<br>If you are having problems with note transcription in number theory, I would recommend learning math proof shorthand rather than trying to use LaTex.  Most math shorthand uses Greek symbols, so you can learn the shortcut to them</p><p>If your "higher level math courses" are calculus.  I think most of the recommendations would be ideal.<br>However, I might recommend a different course.  Typically a professor will tell you what he will be discussing next lecture.  It might be easier to setup your equations ahead of time.  They are almost always available in the book.  You could then record your notes for any equations with the main equation.<br>It would still require the use of a math symbol software, but you could make sure that the important equations were already very cleanly entered.</p><p>To recap:<br>Number Theory:  Learn symbol shorthand<br>Calculus:  Can't get much better than LaTex derivatives<br>Engineering/Physics:  Try Mathcad.  It is designed to give you answers, but it allows you to actively play with equations and input numbers to get a feel for the math.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I now know that most of the posters on slashdot encourage the use of a pen and paper for various reasons.Let me explain why copying the notes feverishly is n't the best idea.Yes , a lot of people remember things they have written down.However , I would argue that actually understanding the equation/notes you are writing down is far more important than memorizing it.I say this as someone with a degree in mathematics and engineering.It really depends on the course and the person if you want to transcribe everything or not.I knew students who would write down the notes , go home and copy them , and then do it again.I also knew a student who never took any notes .
He used to say , " the information is in the book , I am trying to understand the lecture " .
That student is now a professor of Electrical Engineering at a major university.I am not going to question why the original poster wants to do everything on a computer , I will just help him.Mathcad is exceptionally clean and simple for " writing " math .
It is the best solution I have seen .
Unfortunately , it is designed for active math solutions...so it may not be the best solution .
I would give it a try though .
I know that for engineering classes it was one of the most helpful programs I ever used.As far as " higher level math courses " , it depends on what you actually mean .
My higher level math courses were all theory courses.If you are having problems with note transcription in number theory , I would recommend learning math proof shorthand rather than trying to use LaTex .
Most math shorthand uses Greek symbols , so you can learn the shortcut to themIf your " higher level math courses " are calculus .
I think most of the recommendations would be ideal.However , I might recommend a different course .
Typically a professor will tell you what he will be discussing next lecture .
It might be easier to setup your equations ahead of time .
They are almost always available in the book .
You could then record your notes for any equations with the main equation.It would still require the use of a math symbol software , but you could make sure that the important equations were already very cleanly entered.To recap : Number Theory : Learn symbol shorthandCalculus : Ca n't get much better than LaTex derivativesEngineering/Physics : Try Mathcad .
It is designed to give you answers , but it allows you to actively play with equations and input numbers to get a feel for the math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I now know that most of the posters on slashdot encourage the use of a pen and paper for various reasons.Let me explain why copying the notes feverishly isn't the best idea.Yes, a lot of people remember things they have written down.However, I would argue that actually understanding the equation/notes you are writing down is far more important than memorizing it.I say this as someone with a degree in mathematics and engineering.It really depends on the course and the person if you want to transcribe everything or not.I knew students who would write down the notes, go home and copy them, and then do it again.I also knew a student who never took any notes.
He used to say, "the information is in the book, I am trying to understand the lecture".
That student is now a professor of Electrical Engineering at a major university.I am not going to question why the original poster wants to do everything on a computer, I will just help him.Mathcad is exceptionally clean and simple for "writing" math.
It is the best solution I have seen.
Unfortunately, it is designed for active math solutions...so it may not be the best solution.
I would give it a try though.
I know that for engineering classes it was one of the most helpful programs I ever used.As far as "higher level math courses", it depends on what you actually mean.
My higher level math courses were all theory courses.If you are having problems with note transcription in number theory, I would recommend learning math proof shorthand rather than trying to use LaTex.
Most math shorthand uses Greek symbols, so you can learn the shortcut to themIf your "higher level math courses" are calculus.
I think most of the recommendations would be ideal.However, I might recommend a different course.
Typically a professor will tell you what he will be discussing next lecture.
It might be easier to setup your equations ahead of time.
They are almost always available in the book.
You could then record your notes for any equations with the main equation.It would still require the use of a math symbol software, but you could make sure that the important equations were already very cleanly entered.To recap:Number Theory:  Learn symbol shorthandCalculus:  Can't get much better than LaTex derivativesEngineering/Physics:  Try Mathcad.
It is designed to give you answers, but it allows you to actively play with equations and input numbers to get a feel for the math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917077</id>
	<title>I recommend against digitized pen math notes</title>
	<author>cmason</author>
	<datestamp>1256813160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, this is just my experience, and I'm sure you won't listen or will have a different experience, but:</p><p>I tried taking electronic notes in maybe a half dozen undergrad math classes using a Newton message pad in ink mode.  I believe that I did significantly more poorly in those classes than if I would have used pen and paper.  It was just too futzy.  The Newton worked fine, because it wasn't trying to recognize, but the added layer of technology didn't justify itself in terms of the potential but unrealized benefits of search- or store-ability.</p><p>I did homework assignments in LaTeX and got quite fast in it, but not fast enough to take notes with it using a keyboard.  (Although I sometimes felt like I got points off because my work was too easy to read!)  The classes I did best in I took pen and paper notes and then later transcribed and condensed these into LaTeX study guides.</p><p>On the flip side, for less notation-focused classes, like say, literature, it was awesome to be able to search my electronic notes and I think this justified the effort in changing my handwriting so the Newton would read it.  I still see the effects of this in my writing today!</p><p>Good luck!</p><p>-c</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , this is just my experience , and I 'm sure you wo n't listen or will have a different experience , but : I tried taking electronic notes in maybe a half dozen undergrad math classes using a Newton message pad in ink mode .
I believe that I did significantly more poorly in those classes than if I would have used pen and paper .
It was just too futzy .
The Newton worked fine , because it was n't trying to recognize , but the added layer of technology did n't justify itself in terms of the potential but unrealized benefits of search- or store-ability.I did homework assignments in LaTeX and got quite fast in it , but not fast enough to take notes with it using a keyboard .
( Although I sometimes felt like I got points off because my work was too easy to read !
) The classes I did best in I took pen and paper notes and then later transcribed and condensed these into LaTeX study guides.On the flip side , for less notation-focused classes , like say , literature , it was awesome to be able to search my electronic notes and I think this justified the effort in changing my handwriting so the Newton would read it .
I still see the effects of this in my writing today ! Good luck ! -c</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, this is just my experience, and I'm sure you won't listen or will have a different experience, but:I tried taking electronic notes in maybe a half dozen undergrad math classes using a Newton message pad in ink mode.
I believe that I did significantly more poorly in those classes than if I would have used pen and paper.
It was just too futzy.
The Newton worked fine, because it wasn't trying to recognize, but the added layer of technology didn't justify itself in terms of the potential but unrealized benefits of search- or store-ability.I did homework assignments in LaTeX and got quite fast in it, but not fast enough to take notes with it using a keyboard.
(Although I sometimes felt like I got points off because my work was too easy to read!
)  The classes I did best in I took pen and paper notes and then later transcribed and condensed these into LaTeX study guides.On the flip side, for less notation-focused classes, like say, literature, it was awesome to be able to search my electronic notes and I think this justified the effort in changing my handwriting so the Newton would read it.
I still see the effects of this in my writing today!Good luck!-c</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29931705</id>
	<title>Quick eqs and everything else</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256918280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a friend at work that uses a tablet and Microsoft OneNote, as sort of virtual ink on canvas. It's secret is that you can scribble anything you wish with the stylus, then fill in with keypad later for the parts it doesn't understand (from MS Word). I think the notepad costs him about US$800 or so, and he uploads to the server via bluetooth so we can all see the notes (meetings, scrums, etc.). He loves it, and it sounds like what you need with essentially NO learning curve. Then again, nothing is free...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a friend at work that uses a tablet and Microsoft OneNote , as sort of virtual ink on canvas .
It 's secret is that you can scribble anything you wish with the stylus , then fill in with keypad later for the parts it does n't understand ( from MS Word ) .
I think the notepad costs him about US $ 800 or so , and he uploads to the server via bluetooth so we can all see the notes ( meetings , scrums , etc. ) .
He loves it , and it sounds like what you need with essentially NO learning curve .
Then again , nothing is free.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a friend at work that uses a tablet and Microsoft OneNote, as sort of virtual ink on canvas.
It's secret is that you can scribble anything you wish with the stylus, then fill in with keypad later for the parts it doesn't understand (from MS Word).
I think the notepad costs him about US$800 or so, and he uploads to the server via bluetooth so we can all see the notes (meetings, scrums, etc.).
He loves it, and it sounds like what you need with essentially NO learning curve.
Then again, nothing is free...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915961</id>
	<title>t3hfr3ak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is one on TigerDirect that is called Adesso CyberPad. Anything you write on in is saved into its internal memory for transfer to PC later on. check it out</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is one on TigerDirect that is called Adesso CyberPad .
Anything you write on in is saved into its internal memory for transfer to PC later on .
check it out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is one on TigerDirect that is called Adesso CyberPad.
Anything you write on in is saved into its internal memory for transfer to PC later on.
check it out</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916123</id>
	<title>Take a picture, it'll last longer.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, take a picture of the board/screen/whatever, and import the image in to your notes.</p><p>More seriously, right tool for the right job.  Leave the expensive hardware at home and invest in a pad of paper and a pen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , take a picture of the board/screen/whatever , and import the image in to your notes.More seriously , right tool for the right job .
Leave the expensive hardware at home and invest in a pad of paper and a pen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, take a picture of the board/screen/whatever, and import the image in to your notes.More seriously, right tool for the right job.
Leave the expensive hardware at home and invest in a pad of paper and a pen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916955</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>aallmighty</author>
	<datestamp>1256812680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Monoprice has tablets starting at around $17.  I have the $36 8" x 6" one and it works as well as the $200+ Wacom tablets in my experience.

<a href="http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c\_id=108&amp;cp\_id=10841" title="monoprice.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c\_id=108&amp;cp\_id=10841</a> [monoprice.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Monoprice has tablets starting at around $ 17 .
I have the $ 36 8 " x 6 " one and it works as well as the $ 200 + Wacom tablets in my experience .
http : //www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp ? c \ _id = 108&amp;cp \ _id = 10841 [ monoprice.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monoprice has tablets starting at around $17.
I have the $36 8" x 6" one and it works as well as the $200+ Wacom tablets in my experience.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c\_id=108&amp;cp\_id=10841 [monoprice.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916457</id>
	<title>Tass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>vim + latex-suite<br>I'm as fast as the prof if he's not drawing some diagrams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>vim + latex-suiteI 'm as fast as the prof if he 's not drawing some diagrams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vim + latex-suiteI'm as fast as the prof if he's not drawing some diagrams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917307</id>
	<title>Re:Scientific Notebook. Top of the line math editi</title>
	<author>Phleg</author>
	<datestamp>1256814120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seconded.

Although at the time I was in college, I ran Linux, and couldn't use Scientific Notebook. So I just learned LaTeX instead. Got damn fast at it, too, copying notes in real-time. But my experiences with Scientific Notebook were absolutely enjoyable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seconded .
Although at the time I was in college , I ran Linux , and could n't use Scientific Notebook .
So I just learned LaTeX instead .
Got damn fast at it , too , copying notes in real-time .
But my experiences with Scientific Notebook were absolutely enjoyable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seconded.
Although at the time I was in college, I ran Linux, and couldn't use Scientific Notebook.
So I just learned LaTeX instead.
Got damn fast at it, too, copying notes in real-time.
But my experiences with Scientific Notebook were absolutely enjoyable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918849</id>
	<title>Mathematica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256822580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mathematica has keyboard shortcuts for every math symbol I have ever used. Any kind of palette or input box is just wasted time with the mouse.   The two universities I have been a part of have had a free student license.</p><p>For instance here is the intergration symbol<br>http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/character/Integral.html</p><p>your example requires 4 shortcuts which is entered<br>f\_X(x) = [ESC] int [ESC]  [CTRL]+[-] - [ESC] inf [ESC]  [CTRL]+[6] [ESC] inf [ESC] f(x,y) [ESC] dd [ESC] y</p><p>heres is a list of all the symbols</p><p>http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/ListingOfNamedCharacters.html</p><p>and how to enter them</p><p>http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/EnteringFormulas.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mathematica has keyboard shortcuts for every math symbol I have ever used .
Any kind of palette or input box is just wasted time with the mouse .
The two universities I have been a part of have had a free student license.For instance here is the intergration symbolhttp : //reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/character/Integral.htmlyour example requires 4 shortcuts which is enteredf \ _X ( x ) = [ ESC ] int [ ESC ] [ CTRL ] + [ - ] - [ ESC ] inf [ ESC ] [ CTRL ] + [ 6 ] [ ESC ] inf [ ESC ] f ( x,y ) [ ESC ] dd [ ESC ] yheres is a list of all the symbolshttp : //reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/ListingOfNamedCharacters.htmland how to enter themhttp : //reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/EnteringFormulas.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mathematica has keyboard shortcuts for every math symbol I have ever used.
Any kind of palette or input box is just wasted time with the mouse.
The two universities I have been a part of have had a free student license.For instance here is the intergration symbolhttp://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/character/Integral.htmlyour example requires 4 shortcuts which is enteredf\_X(x) = [ESC] int [ESC]  [CTRL]+[-] - [ESC] inf [ESC]  [CTRL]+[6] [ESC] inf [ESC] f(x,y) [ESC] dd [ESC] yheres is a list of all the symbolshttp://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/ListingOfNamedCharacters.htmland how to enter themhttp://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/EnteringFormulas.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918329</id>
	<title>Type faster, nub!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256819580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the speaker is using powerpoint/beamer/transparencies/etc. you're probably doomed, but in that case you should just be able to ask them for a copy of their presentation anyway.</p><p>If the speaker is using the chalk/whiteboard, then I'm serious--I've seen people take notes in Latex (including equations and such) far faster than people can write them on the blackboard, so it can definitely be done (and in just an ordinary text editor).  It's really hard though, since when you learned to touch-type, you probably didn't have to type so many $,\,&amp;,(,etc. quickly and it can be tough learning to do so.  Having good macros is obviously important.</p><p>That being said, is taking notes on the computer really a good idea?  I personally don't really end up looking back at my notes, so I find it's more useful to write down (by hand) just enough that I'm staying alert and reinforcing the most important points in my mind, but not so much that I'm writing when I should be listening and thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the speaker is using powerpoint/beamer/transparencies/etc .
you 're probably doomed , but in that case you should just be able to ask them for a copy of their presentation anyway.If the speaker is using the chalk/whiteboard , then I 'm serious--I 've seen people take notes in Latex ( including equations and such ) far faster than people can write them on the blackboard , so it can definitely be done ( and in just an ordinary text editor ) .
It 's really hard though , since when you learned to touch-type , you probably did n't have to type so many $ , \ ,&amp; , ( ,etc .
quickly and it can be tough learning to do so .
Having good macros is obviously important.That being said , is taking notes on the computer really a good idea ?
I personally do n't really end up looking back at my notes , so I find it 's more useful to write down ( by hand ) just enough that I 'm staying alert and reinforcing the most important points in my mind , but not so much that I 'm writing when I should be listening and thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the speaker is using powerpoint/beamer/transparencies/etc.
you're probably doomed, but in that case you should just be able to ask them for a copy of their presentation anyway.If the speaker is using the chalk/whiteboard, then I'm serious--I've seen people take notes in Latex (including equations and such) far faster than people can write them on the blackboard, so it can definitely be done (and in just an ordinary text editor).
It's really hard though, since when you learned to touch-type, you probably didn't have to type so many $,\,&amp;,(,etc.
quickly and it can be tough learning to do so.
Having good macros is obviously important.That being said, is taking notes on the computer really a good idea?
I personally don't really end up looking back at my notes, so I find it's more useful to write down (by hand) just enough that I'm staying alert and reinforcing the most important points in my mind, but not so much that I'm writing when I should be listening and thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916181</id>
	<title>That's why I didn't do math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Trouble is, I'm going into higher and higher math classes, and typing "f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)" just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes.</i></p><p>Teehee - math nerds.</p><p>That's why I liked biology:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "I'm getting higher and higher in my biology classes. Writing notes to my good looking classmates just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get into the pants of delicious looking women"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trouble is , I 'm going into higher and higher math classes , and typing " f \ _X ( x ) = integral ( -infinity , infinity , f ( x,y ) dy ) " just is n't cutting it anymore : I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes.Teehee - math nerds.That 's why I liked biology :       " I 'm getting higher and higher in my biology classes .
Writing notes to my good looking classmates just is n't cutting it anymore : I need a way to get into the pants of delicious looking women " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trouble is, I'm going into higher and higher math classes, and typing "f\_X(x) = integral(-infinity, infinity, f(x,y) dy)" just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get real-looking equations into my notes.Teehee - math nerds.That's why I liked biology:
      "I'm getting higher and higher in my biology classes.
Writing notes to my good looking classmates just isn't cutting it anymore: I need a way to get into the pants of delicious looking women"...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918911</id>
	<title>Get a Tablet Computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256822760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I teach electrical engineering and have been watching this in class. The only students who successfully take notes using the computer have tablet computers and use the stylus. One student I talked to about this says he is really happy with it and would be completely paperless if the professors didn't insist in turning in homework on paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach electrical engineering and have been watching this in class .
The only students who successfully take notes using the computer have tablet computers and use the stylus .
One student I talked to about this says he is really happy with it and would be completely paperless if the professors did n't insist in turning in homework on paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach electrical engineering and have been watching this in class.
The only students who successfully take notes using the computer have tablet computers and use the stylus.
One student I talked to about this says he is really happy with it and would be completely paperless if the professors didn't insist in turning in homework on paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916321</id>
	<title>Mac's Typography; in short: transcribe your notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firstly, the Mac has an incredibly rich simple character set.  This is NOT coincidental, as Apple copied their editing capabilities from the publishing industry decades ago.  E.g. in TextEdit type alt-b and you'll see a '' integral symbol (looks correct as I type it, hopefully the post wont change it).  If you can learn these keyboard shortcuts (learning-curve arguments aside), you *may* be able to type these directly into your mac in class, BUT...

If you take notes by hand, then transcribe them into your mac using these short cuts, or simply via the Mac's Font (e.g. TextEdit --&gt; commant-T) and characters (e.g. via the gear drop-down in the Font) pane, you're doing yourself a much bigger favor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , the Mac has an incredibly rich simple character set .
This is NOT coincidental , as Apple copied their editing capabilities from the publishing industry decades ago .
E.g. in TextEdit type alt-b and you 'll see a ' ' integral symbol ( looks correct as I type it , hopefully the post wont change it ) .
If you can learn these keyboard shortcuts ( learning-curve arguments aside ) , you * may * be able to type these directly into your mac in class , BUT.. . If you take notes by hand , then transcribe them into your mac using these short cuts , or simply via the Mac 's Font ( e.g .
TextEdit -- &gt; commant-T ) and characters ( e.g .
via the gear drop-down in the Font ) pane , you 're doing yourself a much bigger favor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, the Mac has an incredibly rich simple character set.
This is NOT coincidental, as Apple copied their editing capabilities from the publishing industry decades ago.
E.g. in TextEdit type alt-b and you'll see a '' integral symbol (looks correct as I type it, hopefully the post wont change it).
If you can learn these keyboard shortcuts (learning-curve arguments aside), you *may* be able to type these directly into your mac in class, BUT...

If you take notes by hand, then transcribe them into your mac using these short cuts, or simply via the Mac's Font (e.g.
TextEdit --&gt; commant-T) and characters (e.g.
via the gear drop-down in the Font) pane, you're doing yourself a much bigger favor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916219</id>
	<title>Bamboo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I did see some lower-end tablets out there, called Bamboo or some such. I want to say I saw them for $50 - $100 US, but don't quote me on that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I did see some lower-end tablets out there , called Bamboo or some such .
I want to say I saw them for $ 50 - $ 100 US , but do n't quote me on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I did see some lower-end tablets out there, called Bamboo or some such.
I want to say I saw them for $50 - $100 US, but don't quote me on that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916777</id>
	<title>MacBook</title>
	<author>pete-classic</author>
	<datestamp>1256812020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never used it, but <a href="http://www.tenonedesign.com/sketch.php" title="tenonedesign.com">Pogo Sketch</a> [tenonedesign.com] seems to be what you're looking for.  (For those who don't want to click the link, it's a stylus that works with trackpads.  You can use it with any app that lets you draw with a mouse.)</p><p>If you could make it work with <a href="http://www.evernote.com/" title="evernote.com">Evernote</a> [evernote.com] that would be about ideal.</p><p>I don't understand the purpose of the thousand posts saying, "Just use pencil and paper!".  That's my preferred approach, but why reply if you aren't going to answer the question?  You don't really think that an advanced Math student never thought of using a notebook, do you?!</p><p>-Peter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never used it , but Pogo Sketch [ tenonedesign.com ] seems to be what you 're looking for .
( For those who do n't want to click the link , it 's a stylus that works with trackpads .
You can use it with any app that lets you draw with a mouse .
) If you could make it work with Evernote [ evernote.com ] that would be about ideal.I do n't understand the purpose of the thousand posts saying , " Just use pencil and paper ! " .
That 's my preferred approach , but why reply if you are n't going to answer the question ?
You do n't really think that an advanced Math student never thought of using a notebook , do you ?
! -Peter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never used it, but Pogo Sketch [tenonedesign.com] seems to be what you're looking for.
(For those who don't want to click the link, it's a stylus that works with trackpads.
You can use it with any app that lets you draw with a mouse.
)If you could make it work with Evernote [evernote.com] that would be about ideal.I don't understand the purpose of the thousand posts saying, "Just use pencil and paper!".
That's my preferred approach, but why reply if you aren't going to answer the question?
You don't really think that an advanced Math student never thought of using a notebook, do you?
!-Peter</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916505</id>
	<title>OpenOffice.org</title>
	<author>carluva</author>
	<datestamp>1256811060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I took all of my notes throughout university (including engineering courses) using OpenOffice.org.  The equation editor in OpenOffice is easy-to-learn, fast (as in, no mouse use required and the keystrokes are all sane), and the completed equations look great.  (By default, there isn't a keyboard shortcut for inserting a new equation, so you'll need to manually assign one&mdash;I used Ctrl-Shift-F, if I remember correctly.<br> <br>

Your example would almost work as is; it would be entered as:<br> <br>

f\_x (x) = int from -infinity to infinity f (x, y) dy<br> <br>

Or, if you prefer your parentheses to stretch (in case you have fractions inside, or what have you):<br> <br>

f\_x left ( x right ) = int from -infinity to infinity f left ( x, y right ) dy<br> <br>

Either way, it comes out looking very nice.  The one thing that takes some getting used to is that you need to make liberal use of whitespace (e.g. between f and the opening parenthesis of the function), otherwise things will occasionally come out looking a little strange.  The best part is, when you don't know what you need to type for a particular symbol, you can select it from the menu and OO will insert the plaintext code, which makes it very easy to learn the code for new items.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I took all of my notes throughout university ( including engineering courses ) using OpenOffice.org .
The equation editor in OpenOffice is easy-to-learn , fast ( as in , no mouse use required and the keystrokes are all sane ) , and the completed equations look great .
( By default , there is n't a keyboard shortcut for inserting a new equation , so you 'll need to manually assign one    I used Ctrl-Shift-F , if I remember correctly .
Your example would almost work as is ; it would be entered as : f \ _x ( x ) = int from -infinity to infinity f ( x , y ) dy Or , if you prefer your parentheses to stretch ( in case you have fractions inside , or what have you ) : f \ _x left ( x right ) = int from -infinity to infinity f left ( x , y right ) dy Either way , it comes out looking very nice .
The one thing that takes some getting used to is that you need to make liberal use of whitespace ( e.g .
between f and the opening parenthesis of the function ) , otherwise things will occasionally come out looking a little strange .
The best part is , when you do n't know what you need to type for a particular symbol , you can select it from the menu and OO will insert the plaintext code , which makes it very easy to learn the code for new items .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took all of my notes throughout university (including engineering courses) using OpenOffice.org.
The equation editor in OpenOffice is easy-to-learn, fast (as in, no mouse use required and the keystrokes are all sane), and the completed equations look great.
(By default, there isn't a keyboard shortcut for inserting a new equation, so you'll need to manually assign one—I used Ctrl-Shift-F, if I remember correctly.
Your example would almost work as is; it would be entered as: 

f\_x (x) = int from -infinity to infinity f (x, y) dy 

Or, if you prefer your parentheses to stretch (in case you have fractions inside, or what have you): 

f\_x left ( x right ) = int from -infinity to infinity f left ( x, y right ) dy 

Either way, it comes out looking very nice.
The one thing that takes some getting used to is that you need to make liberal use of whitespace (e.g.
between f and the opening parenthesis of the function), otherwise things will occasionally come out looking a little strange.
The best part is, when you don't know what you need to type for a particular symbol, you can select it from the menu and OO will insert the plaintext code, which makes it very easy to learn the code for new items.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916553</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>seems reasonable for K12 stuff, but it took me seconds to find ways to make it break and even "select and correct" was unable to provide me with the correct symbol.</p><p>^<br>-<br>x</p><p>is the estimated mean... it can't do it. closest i get is</p><p>~<br>-<br>x</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seems reasonable for K12 stuff , but it took me seconds to find ways to make it break and even " select and correct " was unable to provide me with the correct symbol. ^ -xis the estimated mean... it ca n't do it .
closest i get is ~ -x</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seems reasonable for K12 stuff, but it took me seconds to find ways to make it break and even "select and correct" was unable to provide me with the correct symbol.^-xis the estimated mean... it can't do it.
closest i get is~-x</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916579</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what I was going to recommend! I picked up a cheap and outdated Wacom tablet from E-bay, and use OneNote to store all my notes in. It's a thing of illegible beauty!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what I was going to recommend !
I picked up a cheap and outdated Wacom tablet from E-bay , and use OneNote to store all my notes in .
It 's a thing of illegible beauty !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what I was going to recommend!
I picked up a cheap and outdated Wacom tablet from E-bay, and use OneNote to store all my notes in.
It's a thing of illegible beauty!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916971</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Office Vista has a nice Equation editor. I few clicks and you can enter Equation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Office Vista has a nice Equation editor .
I few clicks and you can enter Equation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Office Vista has a nice Equation editor.
I few clicks and you can enter Equation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29932903</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many years ago I read a book about Carl Fredrich Gauss. He was known to be one of the best mathematicians of his time. His colleague had several hundred of students, but very few selected Mr Gauss lectures. According to the book he demanded the students to take away their papers (if they were stupid enough to bring one up to the table). He started at them and told them to concentrate. One result was that Gauss remained poorly paid and his colleagues well paid. Another result according to the book author did Mr Gauss produce more well known math professors than his colleague. "So there is something with Jerry".</p><p>I stopped taking notes of a whole lecture, when I realised I hardly read the notes ( most of the stuff was in the books) and manytimes I did not understand the notes, since I had not been able to write down the explanations and thoughts the professor had during the lectures.</p><p>I do have note paper and pen with me, still, but I take different notes than before. I write down mainly two things:<br>1. Ideas as comes up in my mind. It can be anything. Often it is ideas that extrapolates from what the professor talks about. Often I go home and try to find out more about these ideas.<br>2. I concentrated  and listen to the professor. I don't care to write notes about things I already knew and understand, but if there is something new and is not in the text books I make a note in my own words.</p><p>I concentrate to what the professor says. I ask myself is this correct or not. If it is correct  and I already knew it - then there is no reason to write it down. if is correct and it is new to to me - then it might be interesting to consider to take a note, but only if it is not in the textbook. If it is not correct then it is getting fun I have to evaluate if I am wrong or the professor. Many years ago I attended a Pascal class, the professor explain the print fuction and he pointed out some not too good behaivor of the function, so he made a new print function, pointed out new faults and made anoter version of the function. After the fifth version of the function he was pleased - I asked the other students a retorical question - has he not come back to the original faults. They started to think and suddenly student after student started to smile.</p><p>Someone wrote he would drop out from a class where he was not allowd to take notes and complained that "your" way of learning does not fit everyone. I wonder if he sits with his laptop infront of the computer and takes notes when he watches news on the tv? We all have many ways of learning, it is not bad to train the different ways. I am constantly developing my way of learning things. If a professor believe this way of teaching and learning will be good for you,  you might listen to him and try it. It might not be perfect this time, but you might become more efficient learner in the future or maybe a better critical thinker. There are reasons why there are training sessions with tutors or labs, and not only lectures - the professor believed it was a good way of learning by having a tutor to ask if you have problem to solve a problem.</p><p>Think and why not think different. Spend your time wisely and only take the notes you really need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many years ago I read a book about Carl Fredrich Gauss .
He was known to be one of the best mathematicians of his time .
His colleague had several hundred of students , but very few selected Mr Gauss lectures .
According to the book he demanded the students to take away their papers ( if they were stupid enough to bring one up to the table ) .
He started at them and told them to concentrate .
One result was that Gauss remained poorly paid and his colleagues well paid .
Another result according to the book author did Mr Gauss produce more well known math professors than his colleague .
" So there is something with Jerry " .I stopped taking notes of a whole lecture , when I realised I hardly read the notes ( most of the stuff was in the books ) and manytimes I did not understand the notes , since I had not been able to write down the explanations and thoughts the professor had during the lectures.I do have note paper and pen with me , still , but I take different notes than before .
I write down mainly two things : 1 .
Ideas as comes up in my mind .
It can be anything .
Often it is ideas that extrapolates from what the professor talks about .
Often I go home and try to find out more about these ideas.2 .
I concentrated and listen to the professor .
I do n't care to write notes about things I already knew and understand , but if there is something new and is not in the text books I make a note in my own words.I concentrate to what the professor says .
I ask myself is this correct or not .
If it is correct and I already knew it - then there is no reason to write it down .
if is correct and it is new to to me - then it might be interesting to consider to take a note , but only if it is not in the textbook .
If it is not correct then it is getting fun I have to evaluate if I am wrong or the professor .
Many years ago I attended a Pascal class , the professor explain the print fuction and he pointed out some not too good behaivor of the function , so he made a new print function , pointed out new faults and made anoter version of the function .
After the fifth version of the function he was pleased - I asked the other students a retorical question - has he not come back to the original faults .
They started to think and suddenly student after student started to smile.Someone wrote he would drop out from a class where he was not allowd to take notes and complained that " your " way of learning does not fit everyone .
I wonder if he sits with his laptop infront of the computer and takes notes when he watches news on the tv ?
We all have many ways of learning , it is not bad to train the different ways .
I am constantly developing my way of learning things .
If a professor believe this way of teaching and learning will be good for you , you might listen to him and try it .
It might not be perfect this time , but you might become more efficient learner in the future or maybe a better critical thinker .
There are reasons why there are training sessions with tutors or labs , and not only lectures - the professor believed it was a good way of learning by having a tutor to ask if you have problem to solve a problem.Think and why not think different .
Spend your time wisely and only take the notes you really need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many years ago I read a book about Carl Fredrich Gauss.
He was known to be one of the best mathematicians of his time.
His colleague had several hundred of students, but very few selected Mr Gauss lectures.
According to the book he demanded the students to take away their papers (if they were stupid enough to bring one up to the table).
He started at them and told them to concentrate.
One result was that Gauss remained poorly paid and his colleagues well paid.
Another result according to the book author did Mr Gauss produce more well known math professors than his colleague.
"So there is something with Jerry".I stopped taking notes of a whole lecture, when I realised I hardly read the notes ( most of the stuff was in the books) and manytimes I did not understand the notes, since I had not been able to write down the explanations and thoughts the professor had during the lectures.I do have note paper and pen with me, still, but I take different notes than before.
I write down mainly two things:1.
Ideas as comes up in my mind.
It can be anything.
Often it is ideas that extrapolates from what the professor talks about.
Often I go home and try to find out more about these ideas.2.
I concentrated  and listen to the professor.
I don't care to write notes about things I already knew and understand, but if there is something new and is not in the text books I make a note in my own words.I concentrate to what the professor says.
I ask myself is this correct or not.
If it is correct  and I already knew it - then there is no reason to write it down.
if is correct and it is new to to me - then it might be interesting to consider to take a note, but only if it is not in the textbook.
If it is not correct then it is getting fun I have to evaluate if I am wrong or the professor.
Many years ago I attended a Pascal class, the professor explain the print fuction and he pointed out some not too good behaivor of the function, so he made a new print function, pointed out new faults and made anoter version of the function.
After the fifth version of the function he was pleased - I asked the other students a retorical question - has he not come back to the original faults.
They started to think and suddenly student after student started to smile.Someone wrote he would drop out from a class where he was not allowd to take notes and complained that "your" way of learning does not fit everyone.
I wonder if he sits with his laptop infront of the computer and takes notes when he watches news on the tv?
We all have many ways of learning, it is not bad to train the different ways.
I am constantly developing my way of learning things.
If a professor believe this way of teaching and learning will be good for you,  you might listen to him and try it.
It might not be perfect this time, but you might become more efficient learner in the future or maybe a better critical thinker.
There are reasons why there are training sessions with tutors or labs, and not only lectures - the professor believed it was a good way of learning by having a tutor to ask if you have problem to solve a problem.Think and why not think different.
Spend your time wisely and only take the notes you really need.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922407</id>
	<title>indians!!!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256909160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>indians...dont u have indians in ur class? i m sure they write down every word...just use that dude..!</p><p>rather..as everyone is saying..get simple and old....use pencil..not even pen..too much dependancy on ink..just use pencil and paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>indians...dont u have indians in ur class ?
i m sure they write down every word...just use that dude.. ! rather..as everyone is saying..get simple and old....use pencil..not even pen..too much dependancy on ink..just use pencil and paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>indians...dont u have indians in ur class?
i m sure they write down every word...just use that dude..!rather..as everyone is saying..get simple and old....use pencil..not even pen..too much dependancy on ink..just use pencil and paper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921653</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>data2</author>
	<datestamp>1256897220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... I don't get anything from taking notes. So in classes where there is someone I can copy the notes from, I just stopped attending because they are moving SO DAMN SLOW!
Just because some people need to write things down to remember things, don't make everyone write everything down. Let them do the copying at home</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... I do n't get anything from taking notes .
So in classes where there is someone I can copy the notes from , I just stopped attending because they are moving SO DAMN SLOW !
Just because some people need to write things down to remember things , do n't make everyone write everything down .
Let them do the copying at home</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... I don't get anything from taking notes.
So in classes where there is someone I can copy the notes from, I just stopped attending because they are moving SO DAMN SLOW!
Just because some people need to write things down to remember things, don't make everyone write everything down.
Let them do the copying at home</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916459</id>
	<title>Wireless pen device to write on paper AND mac</title>
	<author>lieutenant</author>
	<datestamp>1256810880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use an IntelliPen (a better product than it's name suggests), ~$70 at Amazon.Technology is from a company called Epos, http://www.epos-ps.com<br>
&nbsp; Can be used as a regular pen without a computer and STILL save the notes for use on a computer later. Useful for notes and drawings also...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use an IntelliPen ( a better product than it 's name suggests ) , ~ $ 70 at Amazon.Technology is from a company called Epos , http : //www.epos-ps.com   Can be used as a regular pen without a computer and STILL save the notes for use on a computer later .
Useful for notes and drawings also.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use an IntelliPen (a better product than it's name suggests), ~$70 at Amazon.Technology is from a company called Epos, http://www.epos-ps.com
  Can be used as a regular pen without a computer and STILL save the notes for use on a computer later.
Useful for notes and drawings also...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918039</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>pnot</author>
	<datestamp>1256817780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen. One of my university lecturers (in a heavily mathematical course) employed the technique of lecturing from pre-written OHP foils, which he would reveal one line at a time, at a speed which kept us all scribbling madly for the whole hour without any neurons left over to follow the mathematical reasoning -- after which I'd have to go home and write the whole lot out again, before I forgot what the barely recognizable scrawls meant. After two or three weeks of this, several of us approached him to ask that he provide us with photocopies beforehand, since he already had the material written out. He refused point blank; we quit.</p><p>I actually enjoy taking pen-and-paper notes for lectures with a lower information density; condensing the material forces me to process it. But a page of equations is already as condensed as it gets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen .
One of my university lecturers ( in a heavily mathematical course ) employed the technique of lecturing from pre-written OHP foils , which he would reveal one line at a time , at a speed which kept us all scribbling madly for the whole hour without any neurons left over to follow the mathematical reasoning -- after which I 'd have to go home and write the whole lot out again , before I forgot what the barely recognizable scrawls meant .
After two or three weeks of this , several of us approached him to ask that he provide us with photocopies beforehand , since he already had the material written out .
He refused point blank ; we quit.I actually enjoy taking pen-and-paper notes for lectures with a lower information density ; condensing the material forces me to process it .
But a page of equations is already as condensed as it gets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen.
One of my university lecturers (in a heavily mathematical course) employed the technique of lecturing from pre-written OHP foils, which he would reveal one line at a time, at a speed which kept us all scribbling madly for the whole hour without any neurons left over to follow the mathematical reasoning -- after which I'd have to go home and write the whole lot out again, before I forgot what the barely recognizable scrawls meant.
After two or three weeks of this, several of us approached him to ask that he provide us with photocopies beforehand, since he already had the material written out.
He refused point blank; we quit.I actually enjoy taking pen-and-paper notes for lectures with a lower information density; condensing the material forces me to process it.
But a page of equations is already as condensed as it gets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919651</id>
	<title>OpenOffice</title>
	<author>Goeland86</author>
	<datestamp>1256827860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought the syntax in your equation looked somewhat familiar, but it's not quite it.

Have you tried using the openoffice equation editor? Or, for that matter, in a text doc, just insert a formula (alt-i -&gt; f or something like it for the shortcut). It lets you enter an equation using a simplistic syntax, and then shapes it to look "real". Admittedly you may need to judiciously learn how to use the parentheses and square brackets to make it work right.

But I did that for some of my advanced math classes, and it worked like a charm. It really makes life easy, and it automatically adjusts the size, lets you do multiple lines etc.

There's a little "tablet" of standard functions, but once you learn the keywords and figure out how to use parentheses to make it select the right thing it'll become easy and accurate. Cheers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the syntax in your equation looked somewhat familiar , but it 's not quite it .
Have you tried using the openoffice equation editor ?
Or , for that matter , in a text doc , just insert a formula ( alt-i - &gt; f or something like it for the shortcut ) .
It lets you enter an equation using a simplistic syntax , and then shapes it to look " real " .
Admittedly you may need to judiciously learn how to use the parentheses and square brackets to make it work right .
But I did that for some of my advanced math classes , and it worked like a charm .
It really makes life easy , and it automatically adjusts the size , lets you do multiple lines etc .
There 's a little " tablet " of standard functions , but once you learn the keywords and figure out how to use parentheses to make it select the right thing it 'll become easy and accurate .
Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the syntax in your equation looked somewhat familiar, but it's not quite it.
Have you tried using the openoffice equation editor?
Or, for that matter, in a text doc, just insert a formula (alt-i -&gt; f or something like it for the shortcut).
It lets you enter an equation using a simplistic syntax, and then shapes it to look "real".
Admittedly you may need to judiciously learn how to use the parentheses and square brackets to make it work right.
But I did that for some of my advanced math classes, and it worked like a charm.
It really makes life easy, and it automatically adjusts the size, lets you do multiple lines etc.
There's a little "tablet" of standard functions, but once you learn the keywords and figure out how to use parentheses to make it select the right thing it'll become easy and accurate.
Cheers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919339</id>
	<title>Have you tried...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>....typing really fast?</htmltext>
<tokenext>....typing really fast ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....typing really fast?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921707</id>
	<title>If you like pen and paper</title>
	<author>zzg</author>
	<datestamp>1256898660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.livescribe.com/" title="livescribe.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.livescribe.com/</a> [livescribe.com]</p><p>It uses a bit of hightech and a special patterned paper to give a seamless experience. It's the same anoto technology as the Logitech IO, but now they let you print your own paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.livescribe.com/ [ livescribe.com ] It uses a bit of hightech and a special patterned paper to give a seamless experience .
It 's the same anoto technology as the Logitech IO , but now they let you print your own paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.livescribe.com/ [livescribe.com]It uses a bit of hightech and a special patterned paper to give a seamless experience.
It's the same anoto technology as the Logitech IO, but now they let you print your own paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918637</id>
	<title>Why are you taking notes?</title>
	<author>gbutler69</author>
	<datestamp>1256821500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why are you taking notes in Math class? Personally, I think it is better to just pay close attention to the lecture and absorb all of what is being said and focus on thinking about it and understanding it. Textbooks (and or other references) will have better "Notes" anyway. I always did this in every Math class I took (except from that which I taught myself and CLEPed out of): Calc I-II-III, Linear Algebra 1 &amp; 2, Discrete Math 1 &amp; 2, Topology, etc. I always got an "A". I never took a single note. That doesn't mean I didn't study or have to work. I focused my time in class in paying attention to what the instructor/professor was saying and doing rather than writing. Then, I went home, read the book/chapters in detail and worked through the exercises and problems diligently. Sometimes it was easy, sometimes I was up all night.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are you taking notes in Math class ?
Personally , I think it is better to just pay close attention to the lecture and absorb all of what is being said and focus on thinking about it and understanding it .
Textbooks ( and or other references ) will have better " Notes " anyway .
I always did this in every Math class I took ( except from that which I taught myself and CLEPed out of ) : Calc I-II-III , Linear Algebra 1 &amp; 2 , Discrete Math 1 &amp; 2 , Topology , etc .
I always got an " A " .
I never took a single note .
That does n't mean I did n't study or have to work .
I focused my time in class in paying attention to what the instructor/professor was saying and doing rather than writing .
Then , I went home , read the book/chapters in detail and worked through the exercises and problems diligently .
Sometimes it was easy , sometimes I was up all night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are you taking notes in Math class?
Personally, I think it is better to just pay close attention to the lecture and absorb all of what is being said and focus on thinking about it and understanding it.
Textbooks (and or other references) will have better "Notes" anyway.
I always did this in every Math class I took (except from that which I taught myself and CLEPed out of): Calc I-II-III, Linear Algebra 1 &amp; 2, Discrete Math 1 &amp; 2, Topology, etc.
I always got an "A".
I never took a single note.
That doesn't mean I didn't study or have to work.
I focused my time in class in paying attention to what the instructor/professor was saying and doing rather than writing.
Then, I went home, read the book/chapters in detail and worked through the exercises and problems diligently.
Sometimes it was easy, sometimes I was up all night.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919439</id>
	<title>5 Mega pixel camera, pens and paper</title>
	<author>felixhummel</author>
	<datestamp>1256826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Write your notes on blank paper (not lined and as white as possible) with a dark pen. Take a picture afterwards and throw the paper away (or do some origami [1]).</p><p>Works for me, could work for you.</p><p>The fastest way electronically is ASCIIMathML, that was mentioned by anidiot [2].</p><p>[1] <a href="http://www.origami-instructions.com/" title="origami-instructions.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.origami-instructions.com/</a> [origami-instructions.com]<br>[2] <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423997&amp;cid=29915877" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423997&amp;cid=29915877</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Write your notes on blank paper ( not lined and as white as possible ) with a dark pen .
Take a picture afterwards and throw the paper away ( or do some origami [ 1 ] ) .Works for me , could work for you.The fastest way electronically is ASCIIMathML , that was mentioned by anidiot [ 2 ] .
[ 1 ] http : //www.origami-instructions.com/ [ origami-instructions.com ] [ 2 ] http : //hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1423997&amp;cid = 29915877 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Write your notes on blank paper (not lined and as white as possible) with a dark pen.
Take a picture afterwards and throw the paper away (or do some origami [1]).Works for me, could work for you.The fastest way electronically is ASCIIMathML, that was mentioned by anidiot [2].
[1] http://www.origami-instructions.com/ [origami-instructions.com][2] http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423997&amp;cid=29915877 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917259</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>linj</author>
	<datestamp>1256813940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, second OneNote. <br> <br>

If you can find an edition of OneNote 2010 (Technical Preview, currently), it's even better. OneNote 2010 has equation editing similar to that of Word 2007, which, if you've actually used, you'd realize has all sorts of Latex-like features, just that it's transcribed on the fly. <br> <br>

You can type <br> <br>
<tt>
\int\_-\infty^\infty 5xdx </tt>
<br> <br>
or whatever, just the same way. Matrices are a bit different, but very much possible; <br> <br>
<tt>
\matrix(1&amp;0@0&amp;1)</tt>
<br> <br>
Creates a 2x2 identity matrix. <br> <br>

That said, don't pirate software.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , second OneNote .
If you can find an edition of OneNote 2010 ( Technical Preview , currently ) , it 's even better .
OneNote 2010 has equation editing similar to that of Word 2007 , which , if you 've actually used , you 'd realize has all sorts of Latex-like features , just that it 's transcribed on the fly .
You can type \ int \ _- \ infty ^ \ infty 5xdx or whatever , just the same way .
Matrices are a bit different , but very much possible ; \ matrix ( 1&amp;0 @ 0&amp;1 ) Creates a 2x2 identity matrix .
That said , do n't pirate software .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, second OneNote.
If you can find an edition of OneNote 2010 (Technical Preview, currently), it's even better.
OneNote 2010 has equation editing similar to that of Word 2007, which, if you've actually used, you'd realize has all sorts of Latex-like features, just that it's transcribed on the fly.
You can type  

\int\_-\infty^\infty 5xdx 
 
or whatever, just the same way.
Matrices are a bit different, but very much possible;  

\matrix(1&amp;0@0&amp;1)
 
Creates a 2x2 identity matrix.
That said, don't pirate software.
:D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924929</id>
	<title>I was going to say ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... use paper and pencil.  But everyone beat me to it.</p><p>Seriously, you don't have to lug around any equipment, it is cheap, it is fast, it doesn't require a battery, the operating system is your brain<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... use paper and pencil .
But everyone beat me to it.Seriously , you do n't have to lug around any equipment , it is cheap , it is fast , it does n't require a battery , the operating system is your brain ...Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... use paper and pencil.
But everyone beat me to it.Seriously, you don't have to lug around any equipment, it is cheap, it is fast, it doesn't require a battery, the operating system is your brain ...Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923343</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Marthisdil</author>
	<datestamp>1256915640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>*** You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching  ***

Funny - look at the grades here in the US across the board.  Tell me again how students know how to learn better?</htmltext>
<tokenext>* * * You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching * * * Funny - look at the grades here in the US across the board .
Tell me again how students know how to learn better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*** You should rethink your insistence that you know how to learn better than the students you are teaching  ***

Funny - look at the grades here in the US across the board.
Tell me again how students know how to learn better?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919551</id>
	<title>MathCad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is windows only, but you can in theory enter the formula fast<br>then go on to notes.  There is a small amount of syntax to learn, but it works good.  I used in it collage for engineering reports  before my army days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is windows only , but you can in theory enter the formula fastthen go on to notes .
There is a small amount of syntax to learn , but it works good .
I used in it collage for engineering reports before my army days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is windows only, but you can in theory enter the formula fastthen go on to notes.
There is a small amount of syntax to learn, but it works good.
I used in it collage for engineering reports  before my army days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916085</id>
	<title>Livescribe Pulse pen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a Livescribe Pulse pen from Amazon or Target.  The new 4GB pens are out, they hold hundreds of hours of class.</p><p>You have to use their notebook, but it records your handwriting and the lecture, keying the writing to the audio so you can review what was said with a tap of the pen or click of the mouse.</p><p>Sync to your pc or mac and you can get rid of the notebooks.</p><p>I have to say the hardware is much further along than the software, it feels more like a beta than a product, but it is worth the money.  I wouldn't go to school without it.</p><p>http://www.livescribe.com/</p><p>(no affiliation, just a happy customer, will be happier as the software impoves though)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Livescribe Pulse pen from Amazon or Target .
The new 4GB pens are out , they hold hundreds of hours of class.You have to use their notebook , but it records your handwriting and the lecture , keying the writing to the audio so you can review what was said with a tap of the pen or click of the mouse.Sync to your pc or mac and you can get rid of the notebooks.I have to say the hardware is much further along than the software , it feels more like a beta than a product , but it is worth the money .
I would n't go to school without it.http : //www.livescribe.com/ ( no affiliation , just a happy customer , will be happier as the software impoves though )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Livescribe Pulse pen from Amazon or Target.
The new 4GB pens are out, they hold hundreds of hours of class.You have to use their notebook, but it records your handwriting and the lecture, keying the writing to the audio so you can review what was said with a tap of the pen or click of the mouse.Sync to your pc or mac and you can get rid of the notebooks.I have to say the hardware is much further along than the software, it feels more like a beta than a product, but it is worth the money.
I wouldn't go to school without it.http://www.livescribe.com/(no affiliation, just a happy customer, will be happier as the software impoves though)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29927757</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256934720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those who missed point 9:<br><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-039-s-Speech-Recognition-Engine-is-Laughable-31413.shtml" title="softpedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-039-s-Speech-Recognition-Engine-is-Laughable-31413.shtml</a> [softpedia.com]</p><p>gewg\_</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who missed point 9 : http : //news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-039-s-Speech-Recognition-Engine-is-Laughable-31413.shtml [ softpedia.com ] gewg \ _</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who missed point 9:http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-039-s-Speech-Recognition-Engine-is-Laughable-31413.shtml [softpedia.com]gewg\_</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918591</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256821380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An Apple Newton. It has a steep/shallow (delete as appropriate) learning curve!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An Apple Newton .
It has a steep/shallow ( delete as appropriate ) learning curve !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An Apple Newton.
It has a steep/shallow (delete as appropriate) learning curve!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917315</id>
	<title>Re:What's old is new</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256814120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've recently returned to university, using an amd64 netbook (with a better display than most and more full-size keyboard--running sidux64, like all mine) and just this bamboo pen pad. 31yrs ago, when I started in physics, I wrote only with a fountain pen on quad pads. It's still by far the best way. But I'll use a small camera, the pad, and digitize those outrageously-priced texts with the camera stand I built. And I'll combine all of the aboves.</p><p>I do recall some annoyance at one particular prof from back in the day. She used 8 colors of chalk for her drawings on board. Very annoying to not replicate in notes. Even tried the three-color-ink pens, but that was far too much trouble, and never could compete with a proper fountain. (She was like everyone's grandmother, so no one complained.) Later, I took to cleaning the boards with the real sponge/bucket included in every room in our department, mostly to make them easier to read, with my poor eyesight. That became an anonymous tradition, before slashdot!</p><p>I also started the "tradition" of giving complete solution sets (with all steps written) to all the students, so they'd each have a fully-worked set before the exams. Cost me a ton of money, but my kids were the tops there. And they didn't have to scramble to make their own poor notes. They could listen and learn, or so I hoped. Oh, and a set of my notes sat on the corner of my desk, in case they tried to find me and couldn't. The honor system worked to keep them there, except for one student, who swiped them without replacement. Found him years later--as a dentist. Scares me to this day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've recently returned to university , using an amd64 netbook ( with a better display than most and more full-size keyboard--running sidux64 , like all mine ) and just this bamboo pen pad .
31yrs ago , when I started in physics , I wrote only with a fountain pen on quad pads .
It 's still by far the best way .
But I 'll use a small camera , the pad , and digitize those outrageously-priced texts with the camera stand I built .
And I 'll combine all of the aboves.I do recall some annoyance at one particular prof from back in the day .
She used 8 colors of chalk for her drawings on board .
Very annoying to not replicate in notes .
Even tried the three-color-ink pens , but that was far too much trouble , and never could compete with a proper fountain .
( She was like everyone 's grandmother , so no one complained .
) Later , I took to cleaning the boards with the real sponge/bucket included in every room in our department , mostly to make them easier to read , with my poor eyesight .
That became an anonymous tradition , before slashdot ! I also started the " tradition " of giving complete solution sets ( with all steps written ) to all the students , so they 'd each have a fully-worked set before the exams .
Cost me a ton of money , but my kids were the tops there .
And they did n't have to scramble to make their own poor notes .
They could listen and learn , or so I hoped .
Oh , and a set of my notes sat on the corner of my desk , in case they tried to find me and could n't .
The honor system worked to keep them there , except for one student , who swiped them without replacement .
Found him years later--as a dentist .
Scares me to this day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've recently returned to university, using an amd64 netbook (with a better display than most and more full-size keyboard--running sidux64, like all mine) and just this bamboo pen pad.
31yrs ago, when I started in physics, I wrote only with a fountain pen on quad pads.
It's still by far the best way.
But I'll use a small camera, the pad, and digitize those outrageously-priced texts with the camera stand I built.
And I'll combine all of the aboves.I do recall some annoyance at one particular prof from back in the day.
She used 8 colors of chalk for her drawings on board.
Very annoying to not replicate in notes.
Even tried the three-color-ink pens, but that was far too much trouble, and never could compete with a proper fountain.
(She was like everyone's grandmother, so no one complained.
) Later, I took to cleaning the boards with the real sponge/bucket included in every room in our department, mostly to make them easier to read, with my poor eyesight.
That became an anonymous tradition, before slashdot!I also started the "tradition" of giving complete solution sets (with all steps written) to all the students, so they'd each have a fully-worked set before the exams.
Cost me a ton of money, but my kids were the tops there.
And they didn't have to scramble to make their own poor notes.
They could listen and learn, or so I hoped.
Oh, and a set of my notes sat on the corner of my desk, in case they tried to find me and couldn't.
The honor system worked to keep them there, except for one student, who swiped them without replacement.
Found him years later--as a dentist.
Scares me to this day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916315</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>budhaboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256810400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>oh my. handwriting recognition of math formulae on a windows 7 platform running on a ibook pro... Can't imagine any problems there...</htmltext>
<tokenext>oh my .
handwriting recognition of math formulae on a windows 7 platform running on a ibook pro... Ca n't imagine any problems there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh my.
handwriting recognition of math formulae on a windows 7 platform running on a ibook pro... Can't imagine any problems there...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922377</id>
	<title>Uhh Digital Camera?</title>
	<author>AwesomeAvacado</author>
	<datestamp>1256908920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the equations are on a blackboard, whiteboard, or projector screen, try using a digital camera...   After all, a picture is worth a thousand words.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the equations are on a blackboard , whiteboard , or projector screen , try using a digital camera... After all , a picture is worth a thousand words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the equations are on a blackboard, whiteboard, or projector screen, try using a digital camera...   After all, a picture is worth a thousand words.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29948010</id>
	<title>Design Science's MathType</title>
	<author>Sabre Runner</author>
	<datestamp>1257105060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I like to hate Microsoft just like everyone else but I'm still a Windows user (Mostly for the games compatibility). And I have still not seen a better solution for writing down lecture notes than the Word/MathType combination. Yes, they are both proprietary software (Which I get free through the university.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) ) but I've been using them for the past two years and I'm faster than the lecturer. Yes, I write as fast as the lecturer speaks and faster than he/she can write themselves.<br>
MathType is quite comprehensive, I don't even use half of what it offers myself, and the whole catch is shortcut keys configuration. You can set up combinations for 'macro' equations (Like Limits) and with two presses of a button call down a set that will take other students a few seconds to put down.<br>
The only problem I found with it so far is a symbol or two it doesn't have (Like the under-tilde not-equal sign) and you have to build yourself and the fact that when you write integrals, the lecturer does the limits first but you have to add them last.<br>
<br>
For sketches, graphs and diagrams there is no comfortable solution I found. I either draw them in Word shapes with a pen-mouse, plot the graphs with Mathematica (Best analytical math tool I found) and copy over or just photograph the board and paste the image into my document.<br>
<br>
Trust me, I've been doing it for two years.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I like to hate Microsoft just like everyone else but I 'm still a Windows user ( Mostly for the games compatibility ) .
And I have still not seen a better solution for writing down lecture notes than the Word/MathType combination .
Yes , they are both proprietary software ( Which I get free through the university .
: ) ) but I 've been using them for the past two years and I 'm faster than the lecturer .
Yes , I write as fast as the lecturer speaks and faster than he/she can write themselves .
MathType is quite comprehensive , I do n't even use half of what it offers myself , and the whole catch is shortcut keys configuration .
You can set up combinations for 'macro ' equations ( Like Limits ) and with two presses of a button call down a set that will take other students a few seconds to put down .
The only problem I found with it so far is a symbol or two it does n't have ( Like the under-tilde not-equal sign ) and you have to build yourself and the fact that when you write integrals , the lecturer does the limits first but you have to add them last .
For sketches , graphs and diagrams there is no comfortable solution I found .
I either draw them in Word shapes with a pen-mouse , plot the graphs with Mathematica ( Best analytical math tool I found ) and copy over or just photograph the board and paste the image into my document .
Trust me , I 've been doing it for two years .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I like to hate Microsoft just like everyone else but I'm still a Windows user (Mostly for the games compatibility).
And I have still not seen a better solution for writing down lecture notes than the Word/MathType combination.
Yes, they are both proprietary software (Which I get free through the university.
:) ) but I've been using them for the past two years and I'm faster than the lecturer.
Yes, I write as fast as the lecturer speaks and faster than he/she can write themselves.
MathType is quite comprehensive, I don't even use half of what it offers myself, and the whole catch is shortcut keys configuration.
You can set up combinations for 'macro' equations (Like Limits) and with two presses of a button call down a set that will take other students a few seconds to put down.
The only problem I found with it so far is a symbol or two it doesn't have (Like the under-tilde not-equal sign) and you have to build yourself and the fact that when you write integrals, the lecturer does the limits first but you have to add them last.
For sketches, graphs and diagrams there is no comfortable solution I found.
I either draw them in Word shapes with a pen-mouse, plot the graphs with Mathematica (Best analytical math tool I found) and copy over or just photograph the board and paste the image into my document.
Trust me, I've been doing it for two years.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920709</id>
	<title>Stop it!</title>
	<author>dieman</author>
	<datestamp>1256838600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy: Stop trying.  Get some paper and a nice pencil.  I went a little overkill and got one of those smartpens.  Either way, paper &gt; computer in this case.  Spend less time thinking about writing/input and more time about the problems at hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy : Stop trying .
Get some paper and a nice pencil .
I went a little overkill and got one of those smartpens .
Either way , paper &gt; computer in this case .
Spend less time thinking about writing/input and more time about the problems at hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy: Stop trying.
Get some paper and a nice pencil.
I went a little overkill and got one of those smartpens.
Either way, paper &gt; computer in this case.
Spend less time thinking about writing/input and more time about the problems at hand.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29927175</id>
	<title>Should I publish my own equation editor?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256932020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've written a simple equation editor which behaves as a COM server, i.e. it can be used in place of MS equation writer in Word or any other COM client.<br>It's based on a simple expression syntax (e.g., @sum(i=0, #inf#, 1/i)) to specify expressions.<br>There's also a word addon that will let you select text in word and convert it to an equation.<br>A couple of friends used it for a while and it worked for them; I never published it because I wasn't sure anyone would care.<br>However, reply to me if you think I should publish it and if I see enough interest -- I'll go ahead (probably even open source it)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've written a simple equation editor which behaves as a COM server , i.e .
it can be used in place of MS equation writer in Word or any other COM client.It 's based on a simple expression syntax ( e.g. , @ sum ( i = 0 , # inf # , 1/i ) ) to specify expressions.There 's also a word addon that will let you select text in word and convert it to an equation.A couple of friends used it for a while and it worked for them ; I never published it because I was n't sure anyone would care.However , reply to me if you think I should publish it and if I see enough interest -- I 'll go ahead ( probably even open source it )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've written a simple equation editor which behaves as a COM server, i.e.
it can be used in place of MS equation writer in Word or any other COM client.It's based on a simple expression syntax (e.g., @sum(i=0, #inf#, 1/i)) to specify expressions.There's also a word addon that will let you select text in word and convert it to an equation.A couple of friends used it for a while and it worked for them; I never published it because I wasn't sure anyone would care.However, reply to me if you think I should publish it and if I see enough interest -- I'll go ahead (probably even open source it)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920117</id>
	<title>Re:I remember using...</title>
	<author>DiamondGeezer</author>
	<datestamp>1256831820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm amazed that someone hadn't mentioned MathCAD before because it's excellent at writing equations down at high speed. Instead we had the joys of 60 replies as to what "learning curve" actually means because it appears that 50\% of Slashdotters are obsessive-compulsive pedants.<br> <br>

MathCAD would be the way I'd do it if I was in college again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm amazed that someone had n't mentioned MathCAD before because it 's excellent at writing equations down at high speed .
Instead we had the joys of 60 replies as to what " learning curve " actually means because it appears that 50 \ % of Slashdotters are obsessive-compulsive pedants .
MathCAD would be the way I 'd do it if I was in college again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm amazed that someone hadn't mentioned MathCAD before because it's excellent at writing equations down at high speed.
Instead we had the joys of 60 replies as to what "learning curve" actually means because it appears that 50\% of Slashdotters are obsessive-compulsive pedants.
MathCAD would be the way I'd do it if I was in college again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921953</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256902620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm...."profit" is missing from those steps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm.... " profit " is missing from those steps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm...."profit" is missing from those steps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916819</id>
	<title>Use Word 2007's Equation support</title>
	<author>KK</author>
	<datestamp>1256812200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not the old Equation Editor 3.0 from Word 2003, which is a crippled version of MathType, but rather a brand new equation facility in Word 2007, which is also the basis for the new equation support in the OneNote 2010 beta another poster has referred to.</p><p>The Word 2007 equation editor supports a "linear format" for completely keyboard-based input, which is based on TeX-like commands like "\sum" and "\int" and is documented in this Unicode technical note:
<a href="http://unicode.org/notes/tn28/UTN28-PlainTextMath-v2.pdf" title="unicode.org" rel="nofollow">Unicode Nearly Plain-Text Encoding of Mathematics</a> [unicode.org] </p><p>I've been using this for my math classes since last semester, with great success. Once you master the linear format, it's not difficult to keep up if you have a reasonable typing rate to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the old Equation Editor 3.0 from Word 2003 , which is a crippled version of MathType , but rather a brand new equation facility in Word 2007 , which is also the basis for the new equation support in the OneNote 2010 beta another poster has referred to.The Word 2007 equation editor supports a " linear format " for completely keyboard-based input , which is based on TeX-like commands like " \ sum " and " \ int " and is documented in this Unicode technical note : Unicode Nearly Plain-Text Encoding of Mathematics [ unicode.org ] I 've been using this for my math classes since last semester , with great success .
Once you master the linear format , it 's not difficult to keep up if you have a reasonable typing rate to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not the old Equation Editor 3.0 from Word 2003, which is a crippled version of MathType, but rather a brand new equation facility in Word 2007, which is also the basis for the new equation support in the OneNote 2010 beta another poster has referred to.The Word 2007 equation editor supports a "linear format" for completely keyboard-based input, which is based on TeX-like commands like "\sum" and "\int" and is documented in this Unicode technical note:
Unicode Nearly Plain-Text Encoding of Mathematics [unicode.org] I've been using this for my math classes since last semester, with great success.
Once you master the linear format, it's not difficult to keep up if you have a reasonable typing rate to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917003</id>
	<title>Lite Scribe Pen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These things are awesome</p><p>http://www.livescribe.com/</p><p>$200 and never miss anything, brouhgt one after i saw it at conference and have nevre looked back wish they existed when i was a student.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These things are awesomehttp : //www.livescribe.com/ $ 200 and never miss anything , brouhgt one after i saw it at conference and have nevre looked back wish they existed when i was a student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These things are awesomehttp://www.livescribe.com/$200 and never miss anything, brouhgt one after i saw it at conference and have nevre looked back wish they existed when i was a student.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29925637</id>
	<title>Go analog</title>
	<author>JymmyZ</author>
	<datestamp>1256924940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pen/Pencil and Paper for serious equations will beat any I/O interface anyday.  Even tablet recognition pales in comparison, though direct tablet drawing might come a close second.  I do this for all the notes I need to take, and as an added benefit, I'm forced to review my notes if I want to enter them onto my computer when I have more time.  Plus, you can absorb the lessons better if you're not focused on the details of entering long equations into your computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pen/Pencil and Paper for serious equations will beat any I/O interface anyday .
Even tablet recognition pales in comparison , though direct tablet drawing might come a close second .
I do this for all the notes I need to take , and as an added benefit , I 'm forced to review my notes if I want to enter them onto my computer when I have more time .
Plus , you can absorb the lessons better if you 're not focused on the details of entering long equations into your computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pen/Pencil and Paper for serious equations will beat any I/O interface anyday.
Even tablet recognition pales in comparison, though direct tablet drawing might come a close second.
I do this for all the notes I need to take, and as an added benefit, I'm forced to review my notes if I want to enter them onto my computer when I have more time.
Plus, you can absorb the lessons better if you're not focused on the details of entering long equations into your computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918269</id>
	<title>EXP 5.0 or Scientific Word</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256819280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try EXP 5.0 or Scientific Word</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try EXP 5.0 or Scientific Word</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try EXP 5.0 or Scientific Word</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29933919</id>
	<title>using the wrong computer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>try: HP 48</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>try : HP 48</tokentext>
<sentencetext>try: HP 48</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918873</id>
	<title>Pen + Paper + Scanner with ADF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256822640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am grad student in Physics. I am also an obsessive geek and I want to put everything in my computer to easily organize them. Also I don't like papers or pads because I can easily misplace it. I want to put everything in my computer that gets backed up everyday to two different places.<br>I've tried many different things to find the most efficient way to write down math equations. In the end, nothing beats paper and pen. Especially when I just have to work something out, or do some calculations, paper and pen are really the best tools. Using computer when you try to solve something analytically, unfortunately, is often a distraction, because it can keep up with what's in my head and becomes a bottleneck.<br>I transcribed the most important things with LaTeX, but for the rest, I just bring a single notebook / notepad on to which I write everything down. Then, after I finish the notepad, I cut the binding and scan the whole thing and then organize it.<br>So my suggestion: paper + pen + a multifunction printer/scanner with automatic document feeder (ADF). You can get one of them for about $100-$200.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am grad student in Physics .
I am also an obsessive geek and I want to put everything in my computer to easily organize them .
Also I do n't like papers or pads because I can easily misplace it .
I want to put everything in my computer that gets backed up everyday to two different places.I 've tried many different things to find the most efficient way to write down math equations .
In the end , nothing beats paper and pen .
Especially when I just have to work something out , or do some calculations , paper and pen are really the best tools .
Using computer when you try to solve something analytically , unfortunately , is often a distraction , because it can keep up with what 's in my head and becomes a bottleneck.I transcribed the most important things with LaTeX , but for the rest , I just bring a single notebook / notepad on to which I write everything down .
Then , after I finish the notepad , I cut the binding and scan the whole thing and then organize it.So my suggestion : paper + pen + a multifunction printer/scanner with automatic document feeder ( ADF ) .
You can get one of them for about $ 100- $ 200 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am grad student in Physics.
I am also an obsessive geek and I want to put everything in my computer to easily organize them.
Also I don't like papers or pads because I can easily misplace it.
I want to put everything in my computer that gets backed up everyday to two different places.I've tried many different things to find the most efficient way to write down math equations.
In the end, nothing beats paper and pen.
Especially when I just have to work something out, or do some calculations, paper and pen are really the best tools.
Using computer when you try to solve something analytically, unfortunately, is often a distraction, because it can keep up with what's in my head and becomes a bottleneck.I transcribed the most important things with LaTeX, but for the rest, I just bring a single notebook / notepad on to which I write everything down.
Then, after I finish the notepad, I cut the binding and scan the whole thing and then organize it.So my suggestion: paper + pen + a multifunction printer/scanner with automatic document feeder (ADF).
You can get one of them for about $100-$200.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29924903</id>
	<title>OpenOffice.org Math program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use the OpenOffice.org Math program.  That allows you to enter equations using your laptop.  It works on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux.  You can type in text notes around the equations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use the OpenOffice.org Math program .
That allows you to enter equations using your laptop .
It works on Windows , Mac OS X , and Linux .
You can type in text notes around the equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use the OpenOffice.org Math program.
That allows you to enter equations using your laptop.
It works on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux.
You can type in text notes around the equations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29923663</id>
	<title>What a luddite thread!</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1256917140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Hi, I'm a physics professor. I say, take your notes on paper. Math is the most computer-incompatible<br>&gt;writing system ever designed. You'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep<br>&gt;up with me on the blackboard.</p><p>OK, I'm too late to this thread and this probably won't get seen, but I'll jump in here anyway.</p><p>Your thread is one of many that I have seen that says, "Just use pen and paper, it's too hard to use computers to write maths!"</p><p>What a bunch of Luddites!</p><p>Yes, we all get that it is very hard to write math notes on a computer - that was the point of the original poster's question - how to do this better and more efficiently!</p><p>For all of my non-science classes, I found using a computer to take notes to be FANTASTIC!  Why? I can touch-type.  So I can take notes without ever taking my eyes off of the professor.  I can also type faster than I can write.  So I'm faster at taking notes.  My type-written notes are also far more legible than my handwriting.  My electronic notes are more space-efficient, and are electronically searchable.  I can also share them with anyone anywhere in the world instantly.</p><p>The benefits for english-language note taking on a computer are, for me, absolutely indisputable.</p><p>If it wasn't so fucking hard to write mathematical and/or scientific and/or engineering symbols on a computer, we could enjoy the same benefits there!</p><p>So the answer to the question is NOT, "use a pencil", but rather to find a more efficient way to to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Hi , I 'm a physics professor .
I say , take your notes on paper .
Math is the most computer-incompatible &gt; writing system ever designed .
You 'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep &gt; up with me on the blackboard.OK , I 'm too late to this thread and this probably wo n't get seen , but I 'll jump in here anyway.Your thread is one of many that I have seen that says , " Just use pen and paper , it 's too hard to use computers to write maths !
" What a bunch of Luddites ! Yes , we all get that it is very hard to write math notes on a computer - that was the point of the original poster 's question - how to do this better and more efficiently ! For all of my non-science classes , I found using a computer to take notes to be FANTASTIC !
Why ? I can touch-type .
So I can take notes without ever taking my eyes off of the professor .
I can also type faster than I can write .
So I 'm faster at taking notes .
My type-written notes are also far more legible than my handwriting .
My electronic notes are more space-efficient , and are electronically searchable .
I can also share them with anyone anywhere in the world instantly.The benefits for english-language note taking on a computer are , for me , absolutely indisputable.If it was n't so fucking hard to write mathematical and/or scientific and/or engineering symbols on a computer , we could enjoy the same benefits there ! So the answer to the question is NOT , " use a pencil " , but rather to find a more efficient way to to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Hi, I'm a physics professor.
I say, take your notes on paper.
Math is the most computer-incompatible&gt;writing system ever designed.
You'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep&gt;up with me on the blackboard.OK, I'm too late to this thread and this probably won't get seen, but I'll jump in here anyway.Your thread is one of many that I have seen that says, "Just use pen and paper, it's too hard to use computers to write maths!
"What a bunch of Luddites!Yes, we all get that it is very hard to write math notes on a computer - that was the point of the original poster's question - how to do this better and more efficiently!For all of my non-science classes, I found using a computer to take notes to be FANTASTIC!
Why? I can touch-type.
So I can take notes without ever taking my eyes off of the professor.
I can also type faster than I can write.
So I'm faster at taking notes.
My type-written notes are also far more legible than my handwriting.
My electronic notes are more space-efficient, and are electronically searchable.
I can also share them with anyone anywhere in the world instantly.The benefits for english-language note taking on a computer are, for me, absolutely indisputable.If it wasn't so fucking hard to write mathematical and/or scientific and/or engineering symbols on a computer, we could enjoy the same benefits there!So the answer to the question is NOT, "use a pencil", but rather to find a more efficient way to to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919745</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Kneo24</author>
	<datestamp>1256828760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm always amused at comments like yours on Slashdot. They somehow get modded up. You're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that, ensuring that only a minority do well... Wait a second, that's just what you said! Holy shit, the street goes both ways! You're right in that everyone learns different. Why couldn't you have fully applied that thought to your statements?</p><p>Secondly, who fucking cares if it's discriminatory towards students with dyslexia? You think a dyslexic student at any age is going to understand whatever it is that they have written down? The only group of people I see the teaching style that you rage against having a very negative effect against (because of their learning disorders) are pre middle school age. At that point the (even before then really), students are separated into different groups based on their abilities. If you're teaching a lot of slow kids, I doubt someone is going to cover extra material in class. It just doesn't make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm always amused at comments like yours on Slashdot .
They somehow get modded up .
You 're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that , ensuring that only a minority do well... Wait a second , that 's just what you said !
Holy shit , the street goes both ways !
You 're right in that everyone learns different .
Why could n't you have fully applied that thought to your statements ? Secondly , who fucking cares if it 's discriminatory towards students with dyslexia ?
You think a dyslexic student at any age is going to understand whatever it is that they have written down ?
The only group of people I see the teaching style that you rage against having a very negative effect against ( because of their learning disorders ) are pre middle school age .
At that point the ( even before then really ) , students are separated into different groups based on their abilities .
If you 're teaching a lot of slow kids , I doubt someone is going to cover extra material in class .
It just does n't make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm always amused at comments like yours on Slashdot.
They somehow get modded up.
You're upset because you learn one way and would rather have instructors doing that, ensuring that only a minority do well... Wait a second, that's just what you said!
Holy shit, the street goes both ways!
You're right in that everyone learns different.
Why couldn't you have fully applied that thought to your statements?Secondly, who fucking cares if it's discriminatory towards students with dyslexia?
You think a dyslexic student at any age is going to understand whatever it is that they have written down?
The only group of people I see the teaching style that you rage against having a very negative effect against (because of their learning disorders) are pre middle school age.
At that point the (even before then really), students are separated into different groups based on their abilities.
If you're teaching a lot of slow kids, I doubt someone is going to cover extra material in class.
It just doesn't make sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922065</id>
	<title>try MathCAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256904540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I studied engineering for quite a while and I used to use MathCAD (on WinXP) for typing all kinds of equations. It's a program for doing algebra (so it also does the whole calculating stuff for you). I was a lot faster with typing than all my friends were handwriting. There ist one tricky part thou: MathCAD has its own syntax, which is quite different from LaTeX's. More here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcad) and here (http://www.ptc.com/products/mathcad/). If I remember right, my university gave it away with some kind of student's license, so I guess it's easily available for you, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I studied engineering for quite a while and I used to use MathCAD ( on WinXP ) for typing all kinds of equations .
It 's a program for doing algebra ( so it also does the whole calculating stuff for you ) .
I was a lot faster with typing than all my friends were handwriting .
There ist one tricky part thou : MathCAD has its own syntax , which is quite different from LaTeX 's .
More here ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcad ) and here ( http : //www.ptc.com/products/mathcad/ ) .
If I remember right , my university gave it away with some kind of student 's license , so I guess it 's easily available for you , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I studied engineering for quite a while and I used to use MathCAD (on WinXP) for typing all kinds of equations.
It's a program for doing algebra (so it also does the whole calculating stuff for you).
I was a lot faster with typing than all my friends were handwriting.
There ist one tricky part thou: MathCAD has its own syntax, which is quite different from LaTeX's.
More here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcad) and here (http://www.ptc.com/products/mathcad/).
If I remember right, my university gave it away with some kind of student's license, so I guess it's easily available for you, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919169</id>
	<title>LaTeX + AucTeX outght to do it</title>
	<author>njord</author>
	<datestamp>1256824320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see the problem; it seems like you should be able to easily beat the Prof. at writing equations with a (good) text editor you know well and LaTeX.</p><p>With the AUCTeX mode for Emacs, you get lots of shortcuts (like 'electric' backslashes and quick commands for environments) plus in-buffer previews.</p><p>Add in judicious copy+paste and you should be able to run circles around most professors writing on a blackboard and have plenty of time to read slashdot comments.  If they are using an overhead or powerpoint, it might be a little trickier, but hopefully they are handing out notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the problem ; it seems like you should be able to easily beat the Prof. at writing equations with a ( good ) text editor you know well and LaTeX.With the AUCTeX mode for Emacs , you get lots of shortcuts ( like 'electric ' backslashes and quick commands for environments ) plus in-buffer previews.Add in judicious copy + paste and you should be able to run circles around most professors writing on a blackboard and have plenty of time to read slashdot comments .
If they are using an overhead or powerpoint , it might be a little trickier , but hopefully they are handing out notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the problem; it seems like you should be able to easily beat the Prof. at writing equations with a (good) text editor you know well and LaTeX.With the AUCTeX mode for Emacs, you get lots of shortcuts (like 'electric' backslashes and quick commands for environments) plus in-buffer previews.Add in judicious copy+paste and you should be able to run circles around most professors writing on a blackboard and have plenty of time to read slashdot comments.
If they are using an overhead or powerpoint, it might be a little trickier, but hopefully they are handing out notes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917095</id>
	<title>Use a camera</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1256813280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take a photo of the equation on the black or white board, and on your computer, invoke the command that puts a timestamp in the file. Later, at your leisure, you can pull up the timestamps, and match them to the photo timestamps, and transcribe the equations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a photo of the equation on the black or white board , and on your computer , invoke the command that puts a timestamp in the file .
Later , at your leisure , you can pull up the timestamps , and match them to the photo timestamps , and transcribe the equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a photo of the equation on the black or white board, and on your computer, invoke the command that puts a timestamp in the file.
Later, at your leisure, you can pull up the timestamps, and match them to the photo timestamps, and transcribe the equations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918603</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256821380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, as both a teacher AND a student (at the same time), I have to disagree with you strongly.</p><p>Research has shown that people who just take copies of the class notes and highlight them, and/or just highlight information in the book, do MUCH POORER than those who take notes.  Putting what the lecturer says in your own words is an absorption method; it forces the information to pass thru iconic memory into short-term memory, and be REHEARSED in short-term memory so it has a flying chance of making it into long-term memory.  Which is where you want it to be.  It has nothing to do with speed-writing exercises, nor with distraction.  It has to be absorbed.</p><p>The ones you speak of, who get the better grades -- if you allowed everyone to take notes, they would be the ones who would get the better grades anyway.  They like the rule, because they get less bored.  I sympathize with them -- I'm taking several classes right now where I am WAY above the curve, and I get bored with the discussion and repetition.  But what you are doing is hurting the next tier of students -- those who could do well, if they could take notes and the pace was a little slower.  And everyone below that, who really NEED the notes and slower pace, and explanations, to do at all well.</p><p>I teach computer science; these are hard concepts, that have to be come at several ways before everyone gets the idea.  We take as much time as necessary to make sure that everyone gets the critical concepts.  Someone is bored?  I give him some extra-credit assignments to keep him busy.</p><p>Students learn in different ways.  No one is saying that taking notes should be the "sole means to collect material covered in class", but that happens to be a means that works best for a rather large number of students.  (If it didn't, students wouldn't do it, or want to).  For you to discourage it, or outright outlaw it, is irresponsible.  "More concerned about learning"?  Those instructors are more concerned with not having to explain themselves to students who aren't getting the concepts.  If a student is asking "what's that squiggly thing", it's because they don't understand the concept -- not because it's necessary to take the notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , as both a teacher AND a student ( at the same time ) , I have to disagree with you strongly.Research has shown that people who just take copies of the class notes and highlight them , and/or just highlight information in the book , do MUCH POORER than those who take notes .
Putting what the lecturer says in your own words is an absorption method ; it forces the information to pass thru iconic memory into short-term memory , and be REHEARSED in short-term memory so it has a flying chance of making it into long-term memory .
Which is where you want it to be .
It has nothing to do with speed-writing exercises , nor with distraction .
It has to be absorbed.The ones you speak of , who get the better grades -- if you allowed everyone to take notes , they would be the ones who would get the better grades anyway .
They like the rule , because they get less bored .
I sympathize with them -- I 'm taking several classes right now where I am WAY above the curve , and I get bored with the discussion and repetition .
But what you are doing is hurting the next tier of students -- those who could do well , if they could take notes and the pace was a little slower .
And everyone below that , who really NEED the notes and slower pace , and explanations , to do at all well.I teach computer science ; these are hard concepts , that have to be come at several ways before everyone gets the idea .
We take as much time as necessary to make sure that everyone gets the critical concepts .
Someone is bored ?
I give him some extra-credit assignments to keep him busy.Students learn in different ways .
No one is saying that taking notes should be the " sole means to collect material covered in class " , but that happens to be a means that works best for a rather large number of students .
( If it did n't , students would n't do it , or want to ) .
For you to discourage it , or outright outlaw it , is irresponsible .
" More concerned about learning " ?
Those instructors are more concerned with not having to explain themselves to students who are n't getting the concepts .
If a student is asking " what 's that squiggly thing " , it 's because they do n't understand the concept -- not because it 's necessary to take the notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, as both a teacher AND a student (at the same time), I have to disagree with you strongly.Research has shown that people who just take copies of the class notes and highlight them, and/or just highlight information in the book, do MUCH POORER than those who take notes.
Putting what the lecturer says in your own words is an absorption method; it forces the information to pass thru iconic memory into short-term memory, and be REHEARSED in short-term memory so it has a flying chance of making it into long-term memory.
Which is where you want it to be.
It has nothing to do with speed-writing exercises, nor with distraction.
It has to be absorbed.The ones you speak of, who get the better grades -- if you allowed everyone to take notes, they would be the ones who would get the better grades anyway.
They like the rule, because they get less bored.
I sympathize with them -- I'm taking several classes right now where I am WAY above the curve, and I get bored with the discussion and repetition.
But what you are doing is hurting the next tier of students -- those who could do well, if they could take notes and the pace was a little slower.
And everyone below that, who really NEED the notes and slower pace, and explanations, to do at all well.I teach computer science; these are hard concepts, that have to be come at several ways before everyone gets the idea.
We take as much time as necessary to make sure that everyone gets the critical concepts.
Someone is bored?
I give him some extra-credit assignments to keep him busy.Students learn in different ways.
No one is saying that taking notes should be the "sole means to collect material covered in class", but that happens to be a means that works best for a rather large number of students.
(If it didn't, students wouldn't do it, or want to).
For you to discourage it, or outright outlaw it, is irresponsible.
"More concerned about learning"?
Those instructors are more concerned with not having to explain themselves to students who aren't getting the concepts.
If a student is asking "what's that squiggly thing", it's because they don't understand the concept -- not because it's necessary to take the notes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29925883</id>
	<title>My approach</title>
	<author>Retribution</author>
	<datestamp>1256926260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I simply cannot keep up when I write notes by hand -- but I type very quickly.  I too have had trouble with equations, and my solution works for me, but isn't the best.  Here's my approach, fwiw.</p><p>Type notes on my Eee, it has a 7-8 hr (actual) battery, and a relatively quiet keyboard, so as not to be a distraction.  I can watch the instructor and the board while typing, unlike handwriting.  Using emacs under windows at the moment (better battery life pending some driver updates for linux)</p><p>I keep a notepad for any graphs, and I just number any figures I draw.  I switch between keyboard and pen as rarely as possible.</p><p>Equations are important -- I'm a math major now!  For some classes, equations will come as fast as the instructor can scrawl them on the board. I write in an abbreviated shorthand, basically supremely-lazy latex.  I neglect anything that could be implicit, and write, for example, omg and Omg instead of \omega and \Omega.  I only started a little while back, and I still adjust my abbreviations as I go.  That means it's not really parsable yet, but I am doing a good job of figuring out the minimum number of key presses to say what I need to say.  After writing it for a while, at least it's easy to read (much like latex, you'll start to see it without needing to render it before long).</p><p>I like the mention of cameras.  I've started doing that for meetings with my advisor, just using my iPhone to capture the whiteboard after we've gone back and forth on a few ideas.</p><p>I've been through N (where N is large) years of school, but only in this last year have I switched to typing.  I have a great deal of trouble with handwritten anything (random word and letter transpositions everywhere, HORRIBLE if you're trying to write a mathematical theorem).  Switching to typed notes has been one of the best decisions I ever made wrt taking classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I simply can not keep up when I write notes by hand -- but I type very quickly .
I too have had trouble with equations , and my solution works for me , but is n't the best .
Here 's my approach , fwiw.Type notes on my Eee , it has a 7-8 hr ( actual ) battery , and a relatively quiet keyboard , so as not to be a distraction .
I can watch the instructor and the board while typing , unlike handwriting .
Using emacs under windows at the moment ( better battery life pending some driver updates for linux ) I keep a notepad for any graphs , and I just number any figures I draw .
I switch between keyboard and pen as rarely as possible.Equations are important -- I 'm a math major now !
For some classes , equations will come as fast as the instructor can scrawl them on the board .
I write in an abbreviated shorthand , basically supremely-lazy latex .
I neglect anything that could be implicit , and write , for example , omg and Omg instead of \ omega and \ Omega .
I only started a little while back , and I still adjust my abbreviations as I go .
That means it 's not really parsable yet , but I am doing a good job of figuring out the minimum number of key presses to say what I need to say .
After writing it for a while , at least it 's easy to read ( much like latex , you 'll start to see it without needing to render it before long ) .I like the mention of cameras .
I 've started doing that for meetings with my advisor , just using my iPhone to capture the whiteboard after we 've gone back and forth on a few ideas.I 've been through N ( where N is large ) years of school , but only in this last year have I switched to typing .
I have a great deal of trouble with handwritten anything ( random word and letter transpositions everywhere , HORRIBLE if you 're trying to write a mathematical theorem ) .
Switching to typed notes has been one of the best decisions I ever made wrt taking classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I simply cannot keep up when I write notes by hand -- but I type very quickly.
I too have had trouble with equations, and my solution works for me, but isn't the best.
Here's my approach, fwiw.Type notes on my Eee, it has a 7-8 hr (actual) battery, and a relatively quiet keyboard, so as not to be a distraction.
I can watch the instructor and the board while typing, unlike handwriting.
Using emacs under windows at the moment (better battery life pending some driver updates for linux)I keep a notepad for any graphs, and I just number any figures I draw.
I switch between keyboard and pen as rarely as possible.Equations are important -- I'm a math major now!
For some classes, equations will come as fast as the instructor can scrawl them on the board.
I write in an abbreviated shorthand, basically supremely-lazy latex.
I neglect anything that could be implicit, and write, for example, omg and Omg instead of \omega and \Omega.
I only started a little while back, and I still adjust my abbreviations as I go.
That means it's not really parsable yet, but I am doing a good job of figuring out the minimum number of key presses to say what I need to say.
After writing it for a while, at least it's easy to read (much like latex, you'll start to see it without needing to render it before long).I like the mention of cameras.
I've started doing that for meetings with my advisor, just using my iPhone to capture the whiteboard after we've gone back and forth on a few ideas.I've been through N (where N is large) years of school, but only in this last year have I switched to typing.
I have a great deal of trouble with handwritten anything (random word and letter transpositions everywhere, HORRIBLE if you're trying to write a mathematical theorem).
Switching to typed notes has been one of the best decisions I ever made wrt taking classes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919943</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256830380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think many people miss the point of the OP.  This teacher wishes to give his/her students the maximum amount of exposure to the material.  Verbally with lecture, visually with preprinted notes, and tactically with the, hopefully recommended, practice practice practice of the material.  OP might have neglected to say this in the post, but that's the accepted practice of teaching these days.  And if OP is not doing this, then OP should start immediately before I start having the same complaints.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think many people miss the point of the OP .
This teacher wishes to give his/her students the maximum amount of exposure to the material .
Verbally with lecture , visually with preprinted notes , and tactically with the , hopefully recommended , practice practice practice of the material .
OP might have neglected to say this in the post , but that 's the accepted practice of teaching these days .
And if OP is not doing this , then OP should start immediately before I start having the same complaints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think many people miss the point of the OP.
This teacher wishes to give his/her students the maximum amount of exposure to the material.
Verbally with lecture, visually with preprinted notes, and tactically with the, hopefully recommended, practice practice practice of the material.
OP might have neglected to say this in the post, but that's the accepted practice of teaching these days.
And if OP is not doing this, then OP should start immediately before I start having the same complaints.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917079</id>
	<title>Prof says: paper and pencil</title>
	<author>goodmanj</author>
	<datestamp>1256813220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi, I'm a physics professor.  I say, take your notes on paper.  Math is the most computer-incompatible writing system ever designed.  You'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep up with me on the blackboard.</p><p>And even if you manage to find a math entry system that's fast enough, it won't help you with the diagrams, graphs, and sketches.</p><p>Of course, I don't practice what I preach: my own lecture notes are in text files.  But that's because to me, "block ramp friction mu=0.2, 1 kg 30deg 1m long, find final v. U=4.9 Wf=1.7 v=2.5" is a complete set of notes for a 20-minute segment of lecture.</p><p>Oh, also: write in pencil.  I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen, I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand, changing variable notations, and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , I 'm a physics professor .
I say , take your notes on paper .
Math is the most computer-incompatible writing system ever designed .
You 'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep up with me on the blackboard.And even if you manage to find a math entry system that 's fast enough , it wo n't help you with the diagrams , graphs , and sketches.Of course , I do n't practice what I preach : my own lecture notes are in text files .
But that 's because to me , " block ramp friction mu = 0.2 , 1 kg 30deg 1m long , find final v. U = 4.9 Wf = 1.7 v = 2.5 " is a complete set of notes for a 20-minute segment of lecture.Oh , also : write in pencil .
I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen , I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand , changing variable notations , and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, I'm a physics professor.
I say, take your notes on paper.
Math is the most computer-incompatible writing system ever designed.
You'll never ever be able to type equations fast enough to keep up with me on the blackboard.And even if you manage to find a math entry system that's fast enough, it won't help you with the diagrams, graphs, and sketches.Of course, I don't practice what I preach: my own lecture notes are in text files.
But that's because to me, "block ramp friction mu=0.2, 1 kg 30deg 1m long, find final v. U=4.9 Wf=1.7 v=2.5" is a complete set of notes for a 20-minute segment of lecture.Oh, also: write in pencil.
I guarantee you that whenever you bring a pen, I will spend the entire lecture correcting minor mistakes by erasing with the heel of my hand, changing variable notations, and editing diagrams and drawings halfway through working a problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915989</id>
	<title>Digital Camera?</title>
	<author>n1ckml007</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I sometimes take a digital camera (phone) picture of notes or operating hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I sometimes take a digital camera ( phone ) picture of notes or operating hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sometimes take a digital camera (phone) picture of notes or operating hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916957</id>
	<title>Mathematica is really the way to go</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1256812680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It saves tons of time. The entry of equations is fast and you don't even have to finish the derivations yourself, just hit Shift+Enter and there's the result. The only real trick is trying to get the prof to let you take your "notes" into an exam...that and the price tag.</p><p>Seriously though, I'm going to throw my vote behind the pencil/paper method. If you want, digitize later, but pencil/paper gives you necessary flexibility. You need to be able to work through derivations as you go, follow along. Keeping up isn't enough, you have to follow the logic of the lecture and having room to do scratch work on the side, full and easy control over the layout (which is important to how you organize ideas) and the ability to see what you're writing down is all critical.</p><p>If you insist on digital input is <b>has got to be</b> a WYSIWYG editor (not that I have one to suggest). LaTeX is irreplaceable for writing a thesis but you'll never follow the logic of what you're writing if you're looking at source code. Transcribing what the prof writes just doesn't cut it for advanced math, you have to follow along and I argue that that means using a pencil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It saves tons of time .
The entry of equations is fast and you do n't even have to finish the derivations yourself , just hit Shift + Enter and there 's the result .
The only real trick is trying to get the prof to let you take your " notes " into an exam...that and the price tag.Seriously though , I 'm going to throw my vote behind the pencil/paper method .
If you want , digitize later , but pencil/paper gives you necessary flexibility .
You need to be able to work through derivations as you go , follow along .
Keeping up is n't enough , you have to follow the logic of the lecture and having room to do scratch work on the side , full and easy control over the layout ( which is important to how you organize ideas ) and the ability to see what you 're writing down is all critical.If you insist on digital input is has got to be a WYSIWYG editor ( not that I have one to suggest ) .
LaTeX is irreplaceable for writing a thesis but you 'll never follow the logic of what you 're writing if you 're looking at source code .
Transcribing what the prof writes just does n't cut it for advanced math , you have to follow along and I argue that that means using a pencil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It saves tons of time.
The entry of equations is fast and you don't even have to finish the derivations yourself, just hit Shift+Enter and there's the result.
The only real trick is trying to get the prof to let you take your "notes" into an exam...that and the price tag.Seriously though, I'm going to throw my vote behind the pencil/paper method.
If you want, digitize later, but pencil/paper gives you necessary flexibility.
You need to be able to work through derivations as you go, follow along.
Keeping up isn't enough, you have to follow the logic of the lecture and having room to do scratch work on the side, full and easy control over the layout (which is important to how you organize ideas) and the ability to see what you're writing down is all critical.If you insist on digital input is has got to be a WYSIWYG editor (not that I have one to suggest).
LaTeX is irreplaceable for writing a thesis but you'll never follow the logic of what you're writing if you're looking at source code.
Transcribing what the prof writes just doesn't cut it for advanced math, you have to follow along and I argue that that means using a pencil.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920205</id>
	<title>Re:pencil/paper</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1256832720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking."</p><p>Hm.  Interesting.</p><p>Actually, I would love to have a good program for inputting math naturally.  Either OCR on scanned hand written pages or an as-you-write-it option that would grab it directly from a tablet.</p><p>Preparing equations for publication is a horrendous experience in MS Equation Editor and still a pain using Latex.  If I could just write them, that would be fantastic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking. " Hm .
Interesting.Actually , I would love to have a good program for inputting math naturally .
Either OCR on scanned hand written pages or an as-you-write-it option that would grab it directly from a tablet.Preparing equations for publication is a horrendous experience in MS Equation Editor and still a pain using Latex .
If I could just write them , that would be fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Code up a Math Module for Dragon Naturally speaking."Hm.
Interesting.Actually, I would love to have a good program for inputting math naturally.
Either OCR on scanned hand written pages or an as-you-write-it option that would grab it directly from a tablet.Preparing equations for publication is a horrendous experience in MS Equation Editor and still a pain using Latex.
If I could just write them, that would be fantastic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917061</id>
	<title>MathType</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found that the WYSIWYG editor + keyboard shortcuts for MathType was fast enough for me to keep pace in a lecture.<br>http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/</p><p>P.S.  The free trial version contains enough features for most lectures / note taking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found that the WYSIWYG editor + keyboard shortcuts for MathType was fast enough for me to keep pace in a lecture.http : //www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/P.S .
The free trial version contains enough features for most lectures / note taking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found that the WYSIWYG editor + keyboard shortcuts for MathType was fast enough for me to keep pace in a lecture.http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/P.S.
The free trial version contains enough features for most lectures / note taking.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918005</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256817540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wished my teachers were like you. Some classes I take don't even have an official textbook, as the professor considers the class notes as the main reference. One professor in particular even makes a point at giving lectures in a format which is note-taking friendly, as he even configures his presentations in such a way to make sure students take notes correctly. He has been doing that for the past 10 years and it appears he never thought of the idea of simply publishing his class notes instead of forcing everyone to take dictation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wished my teachers were like you .
Some classes I take do n't even have an official textbook , as the professor considers the class notes as the main reference .
One professor in particular even makes a point at giving lectures in a format which is note-taking friendly , as he even configures his presentations in such a way to make sure students take notes correctly .
He has been doing that for the past 10 years and it appears he never thought of the idea of simply publishing his class notes instead of forcing everyone to take dictation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wished my teachers were like you.
Some classes I take don't even have an official textbook, as the professor considers the class notes as the main reference.
One professor in particular even makes a point at giving lectures in a format which is note-taking friendly, as he even configures his presentations in such a way to make sure students take notes correctly.
He has been doing that for the past 10 years and it appears he never thought of the idea of simply publishing his class notes instead of forcing everyone to take dictation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29926963</id>
	<title>Kids these days</title>
	<author>Cloud K</author>
	<datestamp>1256931060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my day we used a pencil and paper. Always use the correct tool for the job - for class notes a computer isn't one of them.</p><p>Except when I was feeling adventurous and would use the Psion Series 5 and scrawl equations and diagrams on the screen, type things in with that nice keyboard and print out to the HP printer via IRDA.  One copy to hand in, one for future reference and one donated to the cause of plagiarism. But invariably I was glad to return to pencil and paper.</p><p>Failing that another vote for LyX as a way of doing LaTeX without spending ages typing in all that markup nonsense and missing half your notes (and most of your attention)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my day we used a pencil and paper .
Always use the correct tool for the job - for class notes a computer is n't one of them.Except when I was feeling adventurous and would use the Psion Series 5 and scrawl equations and diagrams on the screen , type things in with that nice keyboard and print out to the HP printer via IRDA .
One copy to hand in , one for future reference and one donated to the cause of plagiarism .
But invariably I was glad to return to pencil and paper.Failing that another vote for LyX as a way of doing LaTeX without spending ages typing in all that markup nonsense and missing half your notes ( and most of your attention )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my day we used a pencil and paper.
Always use the correct tool for the job - for class notes a computer isn't one of them.Except when I was feeling adventurous and would use the Psion Series 5 and scrawl equations and diagrams on the screen, type things in with that nice keyboard and print out to the HP printer via IRDA.
One copy to hand in, one for future reference and one donated to the cause of plagiarism.
But invariably I was glad to return to pencil and paper.Failing that another vote for LyX as a way of doing LaTeX without spending ages typing in all that markup nonsense and missing half your notes (and most of your attention)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29925079</id>
	<title>Use Save My Whiteboard and your Camera</title>
	<author>frohro</author>
	<datestamp>1256922660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a professor of engineering, and the way I solved this problem for my students was to write software that allows me to process photos of the whiteboard very quickly (a minute or two per day). It automatically puts them on the web for the students.  They can browse them at:  <a href="http://people.wallawalla.edu/~Rob.Frohne/ClassNotes/" title="wallawalla.edu" rel="nofollow">http://people.wallawalla.edu/~Rob.Frohne/ClassNotes/</a> [wallawalla.edu] and they can print a pdf document of them as well from the web site.  Lately I've included an MP3 recording of the lecture as well, so that they can hear it again as necessary.  The processing software is called Save My Whiteboard and is available under GPL3 here:  <a href="http://people.wallawalla.edu/~rob.frohne/SaveMyWhiteboard/index.html" title="wallawalla.edu" rel="nofollow">http://people.wallawalla.edu/~rob.frohne/SaveMyWhiteboard/index.html</a> [wallawalla.edu]

The php code for the web pages is available under GPL too if anyone really wants it.

Rob</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a professor of engineering , and the way I solved this problem for my students was to write software that allows me to process photos of the whiteboard very quickly ( a minute or two per day ) .
It automatically puts them on the web for the students .
They can browse them at : http : //people.wallawalla.edu/ ~ Rob.Frohne/ClassNotes/ [ wallawalla.edu ] and they can print a pdf document of them as well from the web site .
Lately I 've included an MP3 recording of the lecture as well , so that they can hear it again as necessary .
The processing software is called Save My Whiteboard and is available under GPL3 here : http : //people.wallawalla.edu/ ~ rob.frohne/SaveMyWhiteboard/index.html [ wallawalla.edu ] The php code for the web pages is available under GPL too if anyone really wants it .
Rob</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a professor of engineering, and the way I solved this problem for my students was to write software that allows me to process photos of the whiteboard very quickly (a minute or two per day).
It automatically puts them on the web for the students.
They can browse them at:  http://people.wallawalla.edu/~Rob.Frohne/ClassNotes/ [wallawalla.edu] and they can print a pdf document of them as well from the web site.
Lately I've included an MP3 recording of the lecture as well, so that they can hear it again as necessary.
The processing software is called Save My Whiteboard and is available under GPL3 here:  http://people.wallawalla.edu/~rob.frohne/SaveMyWhiteboard/index.html [wallawalla.edu]

The php code for the web pages is available under GPL too if anyone really wants it.
Rob</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919201</id>
	<title>What about Mathematica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you considered using a Mathematica notebook for note taking? Many campuses have student/site licenses for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you considered using a Mathematica notebook for note taking ?
Many campuses have student/site licenses for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you considered using a Mathematica notebook for note taking?
Many campuses have student/site licenses for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916615</id>
	<title>dead-tree substrate and burned-plant stylus</title>
	<author>swschrad</author>
	<datestamp>1256811540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA spent $10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.</p><p>Russia sent pencils up.  cost, zip.</p><p>fancy new technology is not always the answer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA spent $ 10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.Russia sent pencils up .
cost , zip.fancy new technology is not always the answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA spent $10 million developing a pen that would write in space without gravity.Russia sent pencils up.
cost, zip.fancy new technology is not always the answer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915971</id>
	<title>Amazing new technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's this amazing new technology that utilizes droplets of colored pigmentation that adhere via cohesion to sheets of a fibrous cellulose material. Ask your chemistry professor about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's this amazing new technology that utilizes droplets of colored pigmentation that adhere via cohesion to sheets of a fibrous cellulose material .
Ask your chemistry professor about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's this amazing new technology that utilizes droplets of colored pigmentation that adhere via cohesion to sheets of a fibrous cellulose material.
Ask your chemistry professor about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918767</id>
	<title>solution looking for a problem</title>
	<author>elnyka</author>
	<datestamp>1256822160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds more like a solution looking for a problem to me. Paper+pencil = teh win!1<p>

I foolishly tried once to that once, with LyX - pretty cool concept, but when you really need to write a whole bunch of equations in succession, then you end up putting more effort on getting it right on your computer than on actually paying attention to the lectures. Don't believe it? Try using LyX to jot down long-ass operational semantics formulas while trying to pay attention to what the instructor is saying.</p><p>

Best thing is to jot them down on paper for later digitizing. Or use a <a href="http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/bamboo\_pen.php" title="wacom.com">Baboo Pen</a> [wacom.com] in conjunction to your laptop (I wish I had that kind of technology that cheap when I was in school.) Actually I might end up Xmas-present myself with one of those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds more like a solution looking for a problem to me .
Paper + pencil = teh win ! 1 I foolishly tried once to that once , with LyX - pretty cool concept , but when you really need to write a whole bunch of equations in succession , then you end up putting more effort on getting it right on your computer than on actually paying attention to the lectures .
Do n't believe it ?
Try using LyX to jot down long-ass operational semantics formulas while trying to pay attention to what the instructor is saying .
Best thing is to jot them down on paper for later digitizing .
Or use a Baboo Pen [ wacom.com ] in conjunction to your laptop ( I wish I had that kind of technology that cheap when I was in school .
) Actually I might end up Xmas-present myself with one of those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds more like a solution looking for a problem to me.
Paper+pencil = teh win!1

I foolishly tried once to that once, with LyX - pretty cool concept, but when you really need to write a whole bunch of equations in succession, then you end up putting more effort on getting it right on your computer than on actually paying attention to the lectures.
Don't believe it?
Try using LyX to jot down long-ass operational semantics formulas while trying to pay attention to what the instructor is saying.
Best thing is to jot them down on paper for later digitizing.
Or use a Baboo Pen [wacom.com] in conjunction to your laptop (I wish I had that kind of technology that cheap when I was in school.
) Actually I might end up Xmas-present myself with one of those.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29927137</id>
	<title>Mathcad</title>
	<author>jollygreengiantlikes</author>
	<datestamp>1256931840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm still running an old G3 PowerBook - so I can run Mathcad v6 in Classic mode - I was a physics major and once learned, that software had to be the quickest and easiest bar none.  Mathcad has not released a Mac version since about 1998, so perhaps VMWare or another emulator to use a more current version under Windows?
<p>
That said, I've generally found the paper/pencil option much better.  I did try the Mathcad route for awhile, but in most math/physics/science classes, there's just too much jumping around.  E.g.  Oh - and this connects back to that... etc.  It's just really hard to circle something and draw an arrow back to a previous note on the page with software.
</p><p>
JDB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still running an old G3 PowerBook - so I can run Mathcad v6 in Classic mode - I was a physics major and once learned , that software had to be the quickest and easiest bar none .
Mathcad has not released a Mac version since about 1998 , so perhaps VMWare or another emulator to use a more current version under Windows ?
That said , I 've generally found the paper/pencil option much better .
I did try the Mathcad route for awhile , but in most math/physics/science classes , there 's just too much jumping around .
E.g. Oh - and this connects back to that... etc. It 's just really hard to circle something and draw an arrow back to a previous note on the page with software .
JDB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still running an old G3 PowerBook - so I can run Mathcad v6 in Classic mode - I was a physics major and once learned, that software had to be the quickest and easiest bar none.
Mathcad has not released a Mac version since about 1998, so perhaps VMWare or another emulator to use a more current version under Windows?
That said, I've generally found the paper/pencil option much better.
I did try the Mathcad route for awhile, but in most math/physics/science classes, there's just too much jumping around.
E.g.  Oh - and this connects back to that... etc.  It's just really hard to circle something and draw an arrow back to a previous note on the page with software.
JDB</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916053</id>
	<title>just need the software...</title>
	<author>frovingslosh</author>
	<datestamp>1256809620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I already have a touch tablet on my notebook, as many others do too. The problem is that the software is programmed to make it act as a mouse (and I also always carry a small wireless mouse with my notebook). So the ideal solution would seem to be a piece of software that lets one use this touch sensitive surface for what it really is rather than forcing it to be a mouse. Has no one written and released such software?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I already have a touch tablet on my notebook , as many others do too .
The problem is that the software is programmed to make it act as a mouse ( and I also always carry a small wireless mouse with my notebook ) .
So the ideal solution would seem to be a piece of software that lets one use this touch sensitive surface for what it really is rather than forcing it to be a mouse .
Has no one written and released such software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I already have a touch tablet on my notebook, as many others do too.
The problem is that the software is programmed to make it act as a mouse (and I also always carry a small wireless mouse with my notebook).
So the ideal solution would seem to be a piece of software that lets one use this touch sensitive surface for what it really is rather than forcing it to be a mouse.
Has no one written and released such software?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919143</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a dutiful young (science) undergraduate, I dreaded the lecturers who insisted we put down our pens and listen, because if I did not take notes, no matter how carefully I listened, I did not absorb complex information or detail. In those classes, I'd hide in the back amidst the goof-offs to sneak open my notebook. When I read Peter Drucker's "The Effective Executive", the reason for my deviance finally became clear. He makes the distinction between people who take in information by listening, and people who take in information by reading. So now - being older and ornerier - I politely disregard all such instructions, recognizing that the person giving me them is probably an aural learner, for whom listening is effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a dutiful young ( science ) undergraduate , I dreaded the lecturers who insisted we put down our pens and listen , because if I did not take notes , no matter how carefully I listened , I did not absorb complex information or detail .
In those classes , I 'd hide in the back amidst the goof-offs to sneak open my notebook .
When I read Peter Drucker 's " The Effective Executive " , the reason for my deviance finally became clear .
He makes the distinction between people who take in information by listening , and people who take in information by reading .
So now - being older and ornerier - I politely disregard all such instructions , recognizing that the person giving me them is probably an aural learner , for whom listening is effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a dutiful young (science) undergraduate, I dreaded the lecturers who insisted we put down our pens and listen, because if I did not take notes, no matter how carefully I listened, I did not absorb complex information or detail.
In those classes, I'd hide in the back amidst the goof-offs to sneak open my notebook.
When I read Peter Drucker's "The Effective Executive", the reason for my deviance finally became clear.
He makes the distinction between people who take in information by listening, and people who take in information by reading.
So now - being older and ornerier - I politely disregard all such instructions, recognizing that the person giving me them is probably an aural learner, for whom listening is effective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29928793</id>
	<title>Good Problem Solving Notes are More Important!</title>
	<author>SpiritOfAsimov</author>
	<datestamp>1256896620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take a moment to re-think this desire to type-set class notes...

Why worry so much about electronic class note-taking in a science, engineering, or mathematics course? Why not spend the best of your energies solving difficult problems and preparing for the exams? Unlike arts electives, probelm solving is the real meat of these courses. You're rarely asked to reproduce neatly type-set class notes on an exam! But just think of how much more capable (on an exam or a real-life engineering analysis situation on-the-job) you will be if you spend more time solving extra problems.

Try this: just take good hand-written notes (that can be digitally scanned later for portability or topic-specifc filing) or read and &amp; annotate PDF's provided by the more enlightened professors. Then when problem-solving make detailed notes of your solutions using electronic entry like LyX or MathCAD. MathCAD or similiar software tools add value to the process by eliminating the requirement of endlessly entering numbers into a calculator during your problem analysis work (you can always just practice the use of a calculator just before a test for speed-finger-muscle-memory - but why waste the whole semester on that tedium?). Having very good "problem-solving notes" is like an "applied summary" of nearly everything important you need to know to do well on a science, engineering, or mathematics exam. It's also a good reference for down the road when you revisit the material for further applications. Spend 20\% of your time reading your class notes as an introduction to the material (or review before a test), but spend 150\% of your time banging out well-documented and neatly organized problem solutions. Then see how much time you have left over at the end of your course to type-set your class-notes! Probably none if you have a full course load; and you'll be happy that you instead are well-prepared for your final exams<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)

Cheers and Enjoy your Learning Adventure!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a moment to re-think this desire to type-set class notes.. . Why worry so much about electronic class note-taking in a science , engineering , or mathematics course ?
Why not spend the best of your energies solving difficult problems and preparing for the exams ?
Unlike arts electives , probelm solving is the real meat of these courses .
You 're rarely asked to reproduce neatly type-set class notes on an exam !
But just think of how much more capable ( on an exam or a real-life engineering analysis situation on-the-job ) you will be if you spend more time solving extra problems .
Try this : just take good hand-written notes ( that can be digitally scanned later for portability or topic-specifc filing ) or read and &amp; annotate PDF 's provided by the more enlightened professors .
Then when problem-solving make detailed notes of your solutions using electronic entry like LyX or MathCAD .
MathCAD or similiar software tools add value to the process by eliminating the requirement of endlessly entering numbers into a calculator during your problem analysis work ( you can always just practice the use of a calculator just before a test for speed-finger-muscle-memory - but why waste the whole semester on that tedium ? ) .
Having very good " problem-solving notes " is like an " applied summary " of nearly everything important you need to know to do well on a science , engineering , or mathematics exam .
It 's also a good reference for down the road when you revisit the material for further applications .
Spend 20 \ % of your time reading your class notes as an introduction to the material ( or review before a test ) , but spend 150 \ % of your time banging out well-documented and neatly organized problem solutions .
Then see how much time you have left over at the end of your course to type-set your class-notes !
Probably none if you have a full course load ; and you 'll be happy that you instead are well-prepared for your final exams : o ) Cheers and Enjoy your Learning Adventure !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a moment to re-think this desire to type-set class notes...

Why worry so much about electronic class note-taking in a science, engineering, or mathematics course?
Why not spend the best of your energies solving difficult problems and preparing for the exams?
Unlike arts electives, probelm solving is the real meat of these courses.
You're rarely asked to reproduce neatly type-set class notes on an exam!
But just think of how much more capable (on an exam or a real-life engineering analysis situation on-the-job) you will be if you spend more time solving extra problems.
Try this: just take good hand-written notes (that can be digitally scanned later for portability or topic-specifc filing) or read and &amp; annotate PDF's provided by the more enlightened professors.
Then when problem-solving make detailed notes of your solutions using electronic entry like LyX or MathCAD.
MathCAD or similiar software tools add value to the process by eliminating the requirement of endlessly entering numbers into a calculator during your problem analysis work (you can always just practice the use of a calculator just before a test for speed-finger-muscle-memory - but why waste the whole semester on that tedium?).
Having very good "problem-solving notes" is like an "applied summary" of nearly everything important you need to know to do well on a science, engineering, or mathematics exam.
It's also a good reference for down the road when you revisit the material for further applications.
Spend 20\% of your time reading your class notes as an introduction to the material (or review before a test), but spend 150\% of your time banging out well-documented and neatly organized problem solutions.
Then see how much time you have left over at the end of your course to type-set your class-notes!
Probably none if you have a full course load; and you'll be happy that you instead are well-prepared for your final exams :o)

Cheers and Enjoy your Learning Adventure!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920513</id>
	<title>Create Your Own Font</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256836260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never attempted this, but here is a thought.</p><p>Use --&gt; http://www.fontcapture.com to easily create your own Font, though it will take precision and care to make your font seamless (I recommend taking the time to digitally create the font rather than simply writing the symbols in the boxex).  I believe keyboard layout will be easily learned and save great time.</p><p>My thoughts:<br>1.  keep all non-shifted keys as normal -- this will allow you to take notes about your work and supply all variables<br>2.  make shifted keys to display special characters -- this could be your functions, greek alphabet, superscripts.<br>-- examples:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- x^2 would now translate to x(Hold Shift)2.  But the font would already place the 2 in superscript location.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Instead of (Shift + Dash) being \_ (Underscore), it would now be the approximate symbol.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Instead of writing integral, you simply type (Shift+i) or make (Shift+n) show integral sign, so you can use (Shift+i) for ^i.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- pi could easily be typed as (Shift+p), lambda could be (Shift+l)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Partial d could be shown by typing (Shift+d)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Square Root could be (Shift+Q)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- Integrate could be (Shift+T)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- (Shift+n) could be sub-n</p><p>Sorry I gave so many examples.  I know that you understood my concept early, I just got carried away with thinking about the potential of the format.</p><p>Also, if anybody considers this of value and would like to work collaboratively to produce a quality and well thought out font for this purpose, shoot me an email --&gt; hof.dig@gmail.com</p><p>Thanks for your time and consideration and have a good day.</p><p>Jonathan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never attempted this , but here is a thought.Use -- &gt; http : //www.fontcapture.com to easily create your own Font , though it will take precision and care to make your font seamless ( I recommend taking the time to digitally create the font rather than simply writing the symbols in the boxex ) .
I believe keyboard layout will be easily learned and save great time.My thoughts : 1. keep all non-shifted keys as normal -- this will allow you to take notes about your work and supply all variables2 .
make shifted keys to display special characters -- this could be your functions , greek alphabet , superscripts.-- examples :     -- x ^ 2 would now translate to x ( Hold Shift ) 2 .
But the font would already place the 2 in superscript location .
    -- Instead of ( Shift + Dash ) being \ _ ( Underscore ) , it would now be the approximate symbol .
    -- Instead of writing integral , you simply type ( Shift + i ) or make ( Shift + n ) show integral sign , so you can use ( Shift + i ) for ^ i .
    -- pi could easily be typed as ( Shift + p ) , lambda could be ( Shift + l )     -- Partial d could be shown by typing ( Shift + d )     -- Square Root could be ( Shift + Q )     -- Integrate could be ( Shift + T )     -- ( Shift + n ) could be sub-nSorry I gave so many examples .
I know that you understood my concept early , I just got carried away with thinking about the potential of the format.Also , if anybody considers this of value and would like to work collaboratively to produce a quality and well thought out font for this purpose , shoot me an email -- &gt; hof.dig @ gmail.comThanks for your time and consideration and have a good day.Jonathan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never attempted this, but here is a thought.Use --&gt; http://www.fontcapture.com to easily create your own Font, though it will take precision and care to make your font seamless (I recommend taking the time to digitally create the font rather than simply writing the symbols in the boxex).
I believe keyboard layout will be easily learned and save great time.My thoughts:1.  keep all non-shifted keys as normal -- this will allow you to take notes about your work and supply all variables2.
make shifted keys to display special characters -- this could be your functions, greek alphabet, superscripts.-- examples:
    -- x^2 would now translate to x(Hold Shift)2.
But the font would already place the 2 in superscript location.
    -- Instead of (Shift + Dash) being \_ (Underscore), it would now be the approximate symbol.
    -- Instead of writing integral, you simply type (Shift+i) or make (Shift+n) show integral sign, so you can use (Shift+i) for ^i.
    -- pi could easily be typed as (Shift+p), lambda could be (Shift+l)
    -- Partial d could be shown by typing (Shift+d)
    -- Square Root could be (Shift+Q)
    -- Integrate could be (Shift+T)
    -- (Shift+n) could be sub-nSorry I gave so many examples.
I know that you understood my concept early, I just got carried away with thinking about the potential of the format.Also, if anybody considers this of value and would like to work collaboratively to produce a quality and well thought out font for this purpose, shoot me an email --&gt; hof.dig@gmail.comThanks for your time and consideration and have a good day.Jonathan</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916227</id>
	<title>Tried Rapid Pi?</title>
	<author>uberjeep</author>
	<datestamp>1256810100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a plugin for Word.  All of these things need practice, but you do get faster and you can use cut and paste if you're doing ODEs or whatever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a plugin for Word .
All of these things need practice , but you do get faster and you can use cut and paste if you 're doing ODEs or whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a plugin for Word.
All of these things need practice, but you do get faster and you can use cut and paste if you're doing ODEs or whatever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29922711</id>
	<title>Tiddlywiki</title>
	<author>pugugly</author>
	<datestamp>1256911800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://math.chapman.edu/~jipsen/tiddly/tiddlymath.html" title="chapman.edu">Tiddlymath</a> [chapman.edu] is <a href="http://www.tiddlywiki.com/" title="tiddlywiki.com">Tiddlywiki</a> [tiddlywiki.com] with a plugin for MathML. Tiddlywiki is frankly my favorite format for redistributable text documents - non-proprietary, editable in Firefox, extensible, with all the advantages of wiki-formatting and cross-referencing.</p><p>Pug</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tiddlymath [ chapman.edu ] is Tiddlywiki [ tiddlywiki.com ] with a plugin for MathML .
Tiddlywiki is frankly my favorite format for redistributable text documents - non-proprietary , editable in Firefox , extensible , with all the advantages of wiki-formatting and cross-referencing.Pug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tiddlymath [chapman.edu] is Tiddlywiki [tiddlywiki.com] with a plugin for MathML.
Tiddlywiki is frankly my favorite format for redistributable text documents - non-proprietary, editable in Firefox, extensible, with all the advantages of wiki-formatting and cross-referencing.Pug</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917183</id>
	<title>Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy. Get Maple</p><p>Then write code to do your homework, at least that's what I and every other respectable geek did in higher level math classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy .
Get MapleThen write code to do your homework , at least that 's what I and every other respectable geek did in higher level math classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy.
Get MapleThen write code to do your homework, at least that's what I and every other respectable geek did in higher level math classes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919945</id>
	<title>Re:Pen, paper, TeX.</title>
	<author>wdsci</author>
	<datestamp>1256830380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed, I was just about to post the same thing.  In years of taking notes in math-intensive classes I've never found anything that can match handwriting for speed (including LaTeX... I'm a big fan of LaTeX but it doesn't cut it for real-time transcription).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , I was just about to post the same thing .
In years of taking notes in math-intensive classes I 've never found anything that can match handwriting for speed ( including LaTeX... I 'm a big fan of LaTeX but it does n't cut it for real-time transcription ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, I was just about to post the same thing.
In years of taking notes in math-intensive classes I've never found anything that can match handwriting for speed (including LaTeX... I'm a big fan of LaTeX but it doesn't cut it for real-time transcription).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915991</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917053</id>
	<title>Re:Pen, paper, TeX.</title>
	<author>platykurtic</author>
	<datestamp>1256813100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LaTeX and Vim. Get good at the combo and you can type as fast as you can write. That's what I did through college</htmltext>
<tokenext>LaTeX and Vim .
Get good at the combo and you can type as fast as you can write .
That 's what I did through college</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LaTeX and Vim.
Get good at the combo and you can type as fast as you can write.
That's what I did through college</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916607</id>
	<title>My favorite... but good luck</title>
	<author>jhfry</author>
	<datestamp>1256811480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a couple of favorite math professors.  Here's what they did that made them so much better than the rest.</p><p>They used transparent overheads and scanned them for us at the end of class.  The greatest thing about them was that there was no erasing in the middle of the lecture... they wrote in dry erase but rarely erased anything of value... instead they would just swap them.</p><p>If you can convince your prof's to give it a try... even if you must offer to digitize them and post them for the teacher... its by far the best system I know.  This process kept everyones eyes on the lecture instead of down in their notes.  I would take notes occasionally, but only procedural things that weren't written on the overhead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a couple of favorite math professors .
Here 's what they did that made them so much better than the rest.They used transparent overheads and scanned them for us at the end of class .
The greatest thing about them was that there was no erasing in the middle of the lecture... they wrote in dry erase but rarely erased anything of value... instead they would just swap them.If you can convince your prof 's to give it a try... even if you must offer to digitize them and post them for the teacher... its by far the best system I know .
This process kept everyones eyes on the lecture instead of down in their notes .
I would take notes occasionally , but only procedural things that were n't written on the overhead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a couple of favorite math professors.
Here's what they did that made them so much better than the rest.They used transparent overheads and scanned them for us at the end of class.
The greatest thing about them was that there was no erasing in the middle of the lecture... they wrote in dry erase but rarely erased anything of value... instead they would just swap them.If you can convince your prof's to give it a try... even if you must offer to digitize them and post them for the teacher... its by far the best system I know.
This process kept everyones eyes on the lecture instead of down in their notes.
I would take notes occasionally, but only procedural things that weren't written on the overhead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919889</id>
	<title>Online Equation Editor</title>
	<author>brendank310</author>
	<datestamp>1256829900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.homeschoolmath.net/worksheets/equation\_editor.php" title="homeschoolmath.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeschoolmath.net/worksheets/equation\_editor.php</a> [homeschoolmath.net]

I use this often when I'm preparing notes, and formula sheets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.homeschoolmath.net/worksheets/equation \ _editor.php [ homeschoolmath.net ] I use this often when I 'm preparing notes , and formula sheets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.homeschoolmath.net/worksheets/equation\_editor.php [homeschoolmath.net]

I use this often when I'm preparing notes, and formula sheets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920349</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree with you. Copying from the board or slides leading to errors is not good for learning. I post my notes on my web page for two days and take it out. Students can print it and write new material I write on the board for various scenarios. This is created on the fly and no preplanning was involved on my part. Some examples come just when I start lecturing and the examples are very unique. But I refuse to post questions and answers for exams. Most mature students love my teaching and caring, grade grabbers complain all the time( 80:20 ratio). Writing with one hand, mumbling some thing and erasing by another hand is not teaching at all. See, hear, repeat is the best way to learn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with you .
Copying from the board or slides leading to errors is not good for learning .
I post my notes on my web page for two days and take it out .
Students can print it and write new material I write on the board for various scenarios .
This is created on the fly and no preplanning was involved on my part .
Some examples come just when I start lecturing and the examples are very unique .
But I refuse to post questions and answers for exams .
Most mature students love my teaching and caring , grade grabbers complain all the time ( 80 : 20 ratio ) .
Writing with one hand , mumbling some thing and erasing by another hand is not teaching at all .
See , hear , repeat is the best way to learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with you.
Copying from the board or slides leading to errors is not good for learning.
I post my notes on my web page for two days and take it out.
Students can print it and write new material I write on the board for various scenarios.
This is created on the fly and no preplanning was involved on my part.
Some examples come just when I start lecturing and the examples are very unique.
But I refuse to post questions and answers for exams.
Most mature students love my teaching and caring, grade grabbers complain all the time( 80:20 ratio).
Writing with one hand, mumbling some thing and erasing by another hand is not teaching at all.
See, hear, repeat is the best way to learn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916119</id>
	<title>Pencil and paper</title>
	<author>idiot900</author>
	<datestamp>1256809800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have evaluate what this is really worth to you. You can learn just fine with notes you hand-wrote. Will all the effort you'd put into making this electronic really mean you'll learn the material in less time? And you're not seriously going to bring a Wacom tablet to class, are you? You'll look ridiculous.</p><p>If you really must, scan and OCR your (neatly) hand-written notes. You'll get enough of the words to be able to search for the concept you need later.</p><p>Or, if you don't believe me, just learn TeX markup for equations, and don't worry about getting the syntax 100\% right during class. Fix syntax errors and render your notes after class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have evaluate what this is really worth to you .
You can learn just fine with notes you hand-wrote .
Will all the effort you 'd put into making this electronic really mean you 'll learn the material in less time ?
And you 're not seriously going to bring a Wacom tablet to class , are you ?
You 'll look ridiculous.If you really must , scan and OCR your ( neatly ) hand-written notes .
You 'll get enough of the words to be able to search for the concept you need later.Or , if you do n't believe me , just learn TeX markup for equations , and do n't worry about getting the syntax 100 \ % right during class .
Fix syntax errors and render your notes after class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have evaluate what this is really worth to you.
You can learn just fine with notes you hand-wrote.
Will all the effort you'd put into making this electronic really mean you'll learn the material in less time?
And you're not seriously going to bring a Wacom tablet to class, are you?
You'll look ridiculous.If you really must, scan and OCR your (neatly) hand-written notes.
You'll get enough of the words to be able to search for the concept you need later.Or, if you don't believe me, just learn TeX markup for equations, and don't worry about getting the syntax 100\% right during class.
Fix syntax errors and render your notes after class.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916433</id>
	<title>Mathematica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256810760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mathematica can be pretty quick for formatting if you use the escape sequences ((escape)int(escape) gives an integral sign, for instance), and you can evaluate the things too if you're so inclined.</p><p>Of course, you'll have to pay an arm and two legs for it, but you didn't need them anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mathematica can be pretty quick for formatting if you use the escape sequences ( ( escape ) int ( escape ) gives an integral sign , for instance ) , and you can evaluate the things too if you 're so inclined.Of course , you 'll have to pay an arm and two legs for it , but you did n't need them anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mathematica can be pretty quick for formatting if you use the escape sequences ((escape)int(escape) gives an integral sign, for instance), and you can evaluate the things too if you're so inclined.Of course, you'll have to pay an arm and two legs for it, but you didn't need them anyway...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29933327</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>gr8dude</author>
	<datestamp>1256990640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I teach in a university and I have recently had a special lecture in which I explained to students which mechanisms they can use to memorize and understand things better in class. My approach is very different from yours.</p><p>You may want to take a look, I filmed it and will upload it to the Internet soon (writing the subtitles at the moment) - you will see that different people learn in different ways, and by forcing them do it your way you render some people helpless.</p><p>I believe that teachers should not tell students how to take notes in class, it is up to them to determine what the modus operandi should be. When you design a program, you have one part that deals with the logic, another one with the representation of the data, another one with input, etc. This provides a great flexibility and allows you to easily modify how the program looks without changing anything else. It is the same with learning - you are just their source of information, you are not supposed to tell them how to store it, how to represent it. By doing that, you're preventing them from using more efficient methods or methods that work better for them.</p><p>You can find more details about my lecture here - <a href="http://railean.net/index.php/2009/09/15/the\_write\_right\_rite" title="railean.net">The write right rite</a> [railean.net], the video is not yet available (writing subtitles is soooooo slow), but when it's there - I think you will find it useful. I will be very glad if you don't forget to check that page every now and then, and provide feedback afterwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I teach in a university and I have recently had a special lecture in which I explained to students which mechanisms they can use to memorize and understand things better in class .
My approach is very different from yours.You may want to take a look , I filmed it and will upload it to the Internet soon ( writing the subtitles at the moment ) - you will see that different people learn in different ways , and by forcing them do it your way you render some people helpless.I believe that teachers should not tell students how to take notes in class , it is up to them to determine what the modus operandi should be .
When you design a program , you have one part that deals with the logic , another one with the representation of the data , another one with input , etc .
This provides a great flexibility and allows you to easily modify how the program looks without changing anything else .
It is the same with learning - you are just their source of information , you are not supposed to tell them how to store it , how to represent it .
By doing that , you 're preventing them from using more efficient methods or methods that work better for them.You can find more details about my lecture here - The write right rite [ railean.net ] , the video is not yet available ( writing subtitles is soooooo slow ) , but when it 's there - I think you will find it useful .
I will be very glad if you do n't forget to check that page every now and then , and provide feedback afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I teach in a university and I have recently had a special lecture in which I explained to students which mechanisms they can use to memorize and understand things better in class.
My approach is very different from yours.You may want to take a look, I filmed it and will upload it to the Internet soon (writing the subtitles at the moment) - you will see that different people learn in different ways, and by forcing them do it your way you render some people helpless.I believe that teachers should not tell students how to take notes in class, it is up to them to determine what the modus operandi should be.
When you design a program, you have one part that deals with the logic, another one with the representation of the data, another one with input, etc.
This provides a great flexibility and allows you to easily modify how the program looks without changing anything else.
It is the same with learning - you are just their source of information, you are not supposed to tell them how to store it, how to represent it.
By doing that, you're preventing them from using more efficient methods or methods that work better for them.You can find more details about my lecture here - The write right rite [railean.net], the video is not yet available (writing subtitles is soooooo slow), but when it's there - I think you will find it useful.
I will be very glad if you don't forget to check that page every now and then, and provide feedback afterwards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919185</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1256824440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I almost always took notes in class and almost never read them afterwards. So why did I take notes? Because it helps me think and stay focused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I almost always took notes in class and almost never read them afterwards .
So why did I take notes ?
Because it helps me think and stay focused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I almost always took notes in class and almost never read them afterwards.
So why did I take notes?
Because it helps me think and stay focused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919055</id>
	<title>Re:Pulse Smart Pen</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1256823660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://www.smartpencentral.com/" title="smartpencentral.com">Pulse Smartpen</a> [smartpencentral.com]</p> </div><p>LOL at their site's "customer feedback". One of the customers said "I couldn&rsquo;t have asked for a better shopping experience.", yeah right, that was a customer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pulse Smartpen [ smartpencentral.com ] LOL at their site 's " customer feedback " .
One of the customers said " I couldn    t have asked for a better shopping experience .
" , yeah right , that was a customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Pulse Smartpen [smartpencentral.com] LOL at their site's "customer feedback".
One of the customers said "I couldn’t have asked for a better shopping experience.
", yeah right, that was a customer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916893</id>
	<title>How much LaTeX</title>
	<author>quantaman</author>
	<datestamp>1256812500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's possible the author is taking more advanced math than I did (although I would be able to handle the equation in question), and/or is a slower typist, but I was able to handle equations like that along with matrices when taking notes. It was tough at first but after a few weeks I was moving along pretty quick and was only a hair slower than the analog folks.</p><p>There were only 2 real problems I found.</p><p>1) When a new topic came up I'd have to do a quick google to find how to make the relevant terms.</p><p>2) I never found a good solution to draw and integrate diagrams quickly enough.</p><p>For 2 maybe there's a fancy latex editor or maybe just practice (I didn't have much latex image experience at that point). But overall I found that the value of having nice notes outweighed the two negatives.</p><p>So it is highly course dependent whether LaTeX is viable. But depending how many LaTeX notes the poster has taken there is a possibility they simply haven't had quite enough practice and will be fine if they stick with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's possible the author is taking more advanced math than I did ( although I would be able to handle the equation in question ) , and/or is a slower typist , but I was able to handle equations like that along with matrices when taking notes .
It was tough at first but after a few weeks I was moving along pretty quick and was only a hair slower than the analog folks.There were only 2 real problems I found.1 ) When a new topic came up I 'd have to do a quick google to find how to make the relevant terms.2 ) I never found a good solution to draw and integrate diagrams quickly enough.For 2 maybe there 's a fancy latex editor or maybe just practice ( I did n't have much latex image experience at that point ) .
But overall I found that the value of having nice notes outweighed the two negatives.So it is highly course dependent whether LaTeX is viable .
But depending how many LaTeX notes the poster has taken there is a possibility they simply have n't had quite enough practice and will be fine if they stick with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's possible the author is taking more advanced math than I did (although I would be able to handle the equation in question), and/or is a slower typist, but I was able to handle equations like that along with matrices when taking notes.
It was tough at first but after a few weeks I was moving along pretty quick and was only a hair slower than the analog folks.There were only 2 real problems I found.1) When a new topic came up I'd have to do a quick google to find how to make the relevant terms.2) I never found a good solution to draw and integrate diagrams quickly enough.For 2 maybe there's a fancy latex editor or maybe just practice (I didn't have much latex image experience at that point).
But overall I found that the value of having nice notes outweighed the two negatives.So it is highly course dependent whether LaTeX is viable.
But depending how many LaTeX notes the poster has taken there is a possibility they simply haven't had quite enough practice and will be fine if they stick with it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916523</id>
	<title>Remap the keystrokes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was disabled and taking notes was VERY slow for me if I tried writing.  I used a word processor WP or MS Word (I don't remember which one) to take notes.  I had a similar problem until I discovered that I could map an entire phrase into a single keystroke.  For example:  "ALT  +  CTRL  +  F " could be "f(X) = "  You could even be more elaborate because certain phrases are used time and time again in lectures.  My longest remapping was 20 characters. For different classes, I had completely different keystroke mappings.   Just be careful not to remap the standard keystrokes.</p><p>This technique worked for me all though grad school.  I also used a tape recorder (get the professors permission first) and reviewed my notes after class to make sure I got it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was disabled and taking notes was VERY slow for me if I tried writing .
I used a word processor WP or MS Word ( I do n't remember which one ) to take notes .
I had a similar problem until I discovered that I could map an entire phrase into a single keystroke .
For example : " ALT + CTRL + F " could be " f ( X ) = " You could even be more elaborate because certain phrases are used time and time again in lectures .
My longest remapping was 20 characters .
For different classes , I had completely different keystroke mappings .
Just be careful not to remap the standard keystrokes.This technique worked for me all though grad school .
I also used a tape recorder ( get the professors permission first ) and reviewed my notes after class to make sure I got it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was disabled and taking notes was VERY slow for me if I tried writing.
I used a word processor WP or MS Word (I don't remember which one) to take notes.
I had a similar problem until I discovered that I could map an entire phrase into a single keystroke.
For example:  "ALT  +  CTRL  +  F " could be "f(X) = "  You could even be more elaborate because certain phrases are used time and time again in lectures.
My longest remapping was 20 characters.
For different classes, I had completely different keystroke mappings.
Just be careful not to remap the standard keystrokes.This technique worked for me all though grad school.
I also used a tape recorder (get the professors permission first) and reviewed my notes after class to make sure I got it all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916133</id>
	<title>Scientific Notebook</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1256809860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used this in college, albeit not while I was attending a lecture.  Still, you should be able to click the various special formula buttons at least as fast as some prof is either talking through slides or writing them on a board.  By the way, it is also a good tool for checking whether or not you solved an equation correctly.  I've used it up to and including multivariate calculus, so it should take you quite a ways.  My memory of matrix algebra is kind of fuzzy so don't remember how good it was there, but overall it should work for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used this in college , albeit not while I was attending a lecture .
Still , you should be able to click the various special formula buttons at least as fast as some prof is either talking through slides or writing them on a board .
By the way , it is also a good tool for checking whether or not you solved an equation correctly .
I 've used it up to and including multivariate calculus , so it should take you quite a ways .
My memory of matrix algebra is kind of fuzzy so do n't remember how good it was there , but overall it should work for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used this in college, albeit not while I was attending a lecture.
Still, you should be able to click the various special formula buttons at least as fast as some prof is either talking through slides or writing them on a board.
By the way, it is also a good tool for checking whether or not you solved an equation correctly.
I've used it up to and including multivariate calculus, so it should take you quite a ways.
My memory of matrix algebra is kind of fuzzy so don't remember how good it was there, but overall it should work for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917917</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256817000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get better grades when I take notes during class.  Better yet, I understand things better when I take notes during class.  I would hate being in the classes where you forbid note taking.</p><p>If you don't understand that different people learn in different ways, then you are an uneducated educator.</p><p>Have you thought that maybe your students get better grades because you grade easier or give easier exams?  Perhaps not, but there are a lot of variables involved in something arbitrary like grades; I highly doubt you have successfully singled out "forbidding taking notes" as the one thing that improved your students' grades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get better grades when I take notes during class .
Better yet , I understand things better when I take notes during class .
I would hate being in the classes where you forbid note taking.If you do n't understand that different people learn in different ways , then you are an uneducated educator.Have you thought that maybe your students get better grades because you grade easier or give easier exams ?
Perhaps not , but there are a lot of variables involved in something arbitrary like grades ; I highly doubt you have successfully singled out " forbidding taking notes " as the one thing that improved your students ' grades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get better grades when I take notes during class.
Better yet, I understand things better when I take notes during class.
I would hate being in the classes where you forbid note taking.If you don't understand that different people learn in different ways, then you are an uneducated educator.Have you thought that maybe your students get better grades because you grade easier or give easier exams?
Perhaps not, but there are a lot of variables involved in something arbitrary like grades; I highly doubt you have successfully singled out "forbidding taking notes" as the one thing that improved your students' grades.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916665</id>
	<title>MacBook, VirtualBox and Battery life</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Off topic to this discussion in general, but maybe useful.  Heres my solution, constantly using VirtualBox took me from 7 hours to 2 hours battery life, these get my back to about 6, give or take screen brightness.</p><p>First, buy CoolBook</p><p>Buy CoolBook from coolbook.se.  The trial doesn't do anything actually useful, its more of a 'will the app run' trial than anything else so don't try it and throw it out cause it doesn't work.  Its only $10, and after you register it will takes some time (few hours) for them to email you the 'key'.  The 'key' is generally your First and Last names and the email address tied to your paypal or google checkout account.  Once you've paid, you can use it very shortly after, well before the email arrives in my experience.</p><p>Set it to limit your CPU temp as much possible, unless you're playing WoW you probably won't notice the difference, this will keep your mhz and cpu speed down.  I used it to lower my voltages slightly as well cause the thing gets way too damn hot sitting on my lap, you probably really don't need that though.  I only use lower voltages for the bottom end of the CPU speeds, I leave the higher speeds as default for stability.  I haven't tweaked this much as the temp limiter does most everything I need.</p><p>Second, disable 3d accel in virtual box if its enabled, this will help a lot if you use Vista or Win7, at the cost of 'ooooh shiny'.   If you have multiple cores, only use one.  That'll help keep things snappy on your mac without pushing up the speed of your CPU since it leaves a core for the host OS untouched.  Not as big of an improvement as disabling 3d accel though.</p><p>Third, in the Energy Saver preference pane, set your graphics to 'Better Battery Life' if you have the option for your card.  This gave me a good bit of battery life and drastically lowered the heat level.  To be honest I have no clue what it did as far as performance, I haven't noticed, I switch it back if I'm going to play a game that needs it.</p><p>Forth, lower your keyboard backlighting (if you have it) and display backlighting.   Depending on your system this may not be as useful, I have one of the LED backlighting machines so its not as big of a difference as FL, but its still 30 minutes to an hour of extra time on a full charge.  If you have the preference option to have it track external light sources, you'll automatically save power when the lights are lowered and eyes too, but it seems to vary too much like when I move around in front of it and block a light source behind me.  Makes you think you're going nuts when the screen dims and brightens seemingly randomly so you may not like the feature.  It can certainly be annoying in the wrong environment, a typical lecture hall should be fine.</p><p>At the end of this,  I'm almost back to full life on the battery, I just fire up my virtual machine now and forget them, but you HAVE to make sure you don't have any background processes running on them that eat CPU.  Things like Google Desktop Search or the Windows Search 4.0 will bite you when you least expect it, they always seem to start indexing when I'm the furthest away from a power source, and I don't notice them until I wonder why my battery meter is dropping from several hours to a few or even minutes, which means its already consumed a fair amount of your reserves.  This is one place things like Parallels have an advantage.  Spotlight can index my VM drives and is far more aware that I'm active than the VM is.</p><p>Your milage may very, I've done no real testing to prove out these differences, its purely anecdotal, but, its something and may help you use your Linux or Windows VM through a days worth of classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Off topic to this discussion in general , but maybe useful .
Heres my solution , constantly using VirtualBox took me from 7 hours to 2 hours battery life , these get my back to about 6 , give or take screen brightness.First , buy CoolBookBuy CoolBook from coolbook.se .
The trial does n't do anything actually useful , its more of a 'will the app run ' trial than anything else so do n't try it and throw it out cause it does n't work .
Its only $ 10 , and after you register it will takes some time ( few hours ) for them to email you the 'key' .
The 'key ' is generally your First and Last names and the email address tied to your paypal or google checkout account .
Once you 've paid , you can use it very shortly after , well before the email arrives in my experience.Set it to limit your CPU temp as much possible , unless you 're playing WoW you probably wo n't notice the difference , this will keep your mhz and cpu speed down .
I used it to lower my voltages slightly as well cause the thing gets way too damn hot sitting on my lap , you probably really do n't need that though .
I only use lower voltages for the bottom end of the CPU speeds , I leave the higher speeds as default for stability .
I have n't tweaked this much as the temp limiter does most everything I need.Second , disable 3d accel in virtual box if its enabled , this will help a lot if you use Vista or Win7 , at the cost of 'ooooh shiny' .
If you have multiple cores , only use one .
That 'll help keep things snappy on your mac without pushing up the speed of your CPU since it leaves a core for the host OS untouched .
Not as big of an improvement as disabling 3d accel though.Third , in the Energy Saver preference pane , set your graphics to 'Better Battery Life ' if you have the option for your card .
This gave me a good bit of battery life and drastically lowered the heat level .
To be honest I have no clue what it did as far as performance , I have n't noticed , I switch it back if I 'm going to play a game that needs it.Forth , lower your keyboard backlighting ( if you have it ) and display backlighting .
Depending on your system this may not be as useful , I have one of the LED backlighting machines so its not as big of a difference as FL , but its still 30 minutes to an hour of extra time on a full charge .
If you have the preference option to have it track external light sources , you 'll automatically save power when the lights are lowered and eyes too , but it seems to vary too much like when I move around in front of it and block a light source behind me .
Makes you think you 're going nuts when the screen dims and brightens seemingly randomly so you may not like the feature .
It can certainly be annoying in the wrong environment , a typical lecture hall should be fine.At the end of this , I 'm almost back to full life on the battery , I just fire up my virtual machine now and forget them , but you HAVE to make sure you do n't have any background processes running on them that eat CPU .
Things like Google Desktop Search or the Windows Search 4.0 will bite you when you least expect it , they always seem to start indexing when I 'm the furthest away from a power source , and I do n't notice them until I wonder why my battery meter is dropping from several hours to a few or even minutes , which means its already consumed a fair amount of your reserves .
This is one place things like Parallels have an advantage .
Spotlight can index my VM drives and is far more aware that I 'm active than the VM is.Your milage may very , I 've done no real testing to prove out these differences , its purely anecdotal , but , its something and may help you use your Linux or Windows VM through a days worth of classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Off topic to this discussion in general, but maybe useful.
Heres my solution, constantly using VirtualBox took me from 7 hours to 2 hours battery life, these get my back to about 6, give or take screen brightness.First, buy CoolBookBuy CoolBook from coolbook.se.
The trial doesn't do anything actually useful, its more of a 'will the app run' trial than anything else so don't try it and throw it out cause it doesn't work.
Its only $10, and after you register it will takes some time (few hours) for them to email you the 'key'.
The 'key' is generally your First and Last names and the email address tied to your paypal or google checkout account.
Once you've paid, you can use it very shortly after, well before the email arrives in my experience.Set it to limit your CPU temp as much possible, unless you're playing WoW you probably won't notice the difference, this will keep your mhz and cpu speed down.
I used it to lower my voltages slightly as well cause the thing gets way too damn hot sitting on my lap, you probably really don't need that though.
I only use lower voltages for the bottom end of the CPU speeds, I leave the higher speeds as default for stability.
I haven't tweaked this much as the temp limiter does most everything I need.Second, disable 3d accel in virtual box if its enabled, this will help a lot if you use Vista or Win7, at the cost of 'ooooh shiny'.
If you have multiple cores, only use one.
That'll help keep things snappy on your mac without pushing up the speed of your CPU since it leaves a core for the host OS untouched.
Not as big of an improvement as disabling 3d accel though.Third, in the Energy Saver preference pane, set your graphics to 'Better Battery Life' if you have the option for your card.
This gave me a good bit of battery life and drastically lowered the heat level.
To be honest I have no clue what it did as far as performance, I haven't noticed, I switch it back if I'm going to play a game that needs it.Forth, lower your keyboard backlighting (if you have it) and display backlighting.
Depending on your system this may not be as useful, I have one of the LED backlighting machines so its not as big of a difference as FL, but its still 30 minutes to an hour of extra time on a full charge.
If you have the preference option to have it track external light sources, you'll automatically save power when the lights are lowered and eyes too, but it seems to vary too much like when I move around in front of it and block a light source behind me.
Makes you think you're going nuts when the screen dims and brightens seemingly randomly so you may not like the feature.
It can certainly be annoying in the wrong environment, a typical lecture hall should be fine.At the end of this,  I'm almost back to full life on the battery, I just fire up my virtual machine now and forget them, but you HAVE to make sure you don't have any background processes running on them that eat CPU.
Things like Google Desktop Search or the Windows Search 4.0 will bite you when you least expect it, they always seem to start indexing when I'm the furthest away from a power source, and I don't notice them until I wonder why my battery meter is dropping from several hours to a few or even minutes, which means its already consumed a fair amount of your reserves.
This is one place things like Parallels have an advantage.
Spotlight can index my VM drives and is far more aware that I'm active than the VM is.Your milage may very, I've done no real testing to prove out these differences, its purely anecdotal, but, its something and may help you use your Linux or Windows VM through a days worth of classes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920213</id>
	<title>"Searchability" is key</title>
	<author>GizmoToy</author>
	<datestamp>1256832780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done about 8 years total of various Engineering classes.  The first year or two I used strictly pen and paper.  The issue there, is your work isn't search able.  You may have some idea where what you want is based upon when in the class it may have been covered, but searching is crucial.</p><p>On the other hand, as has been mentioned, there are really no perfect solutions for equations and images.  I settled into a hybrid approach.  Sentences and text got typed into my laptop using a note editor of some type.  I used AquaMinds' NoteTaker (Mac only), but One Note seemed to work equally well.  Equations and pictures were numbered and handwritten on a separate page, later scanned into PDF and inserted into the notes for the day.  It worked reasonably well and was essentially free, given you have a computer and a scanner available.  With the quality of built-in laptop cameras improving, that may even be an option as a rudimentary document scanner.</p><p>The Pulse pen, while looking pretty nifty, is expensive and requires special paper.  Not exactly ideal, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done about 8 years total of various Engineering classes .
The first year or two I used strictly pen and paper .
The issue there , is your work is n't search able .
You may have some idea where what you want is based upon when in the class it may have been covered , but searching is crucial.On the other hand , as has been mentioned , there are really no perfect solutions for equations and images .
I settled into a hybrid approach .
Sentences and text got typed into my laptop using a note editor of some type .
I used AquaMinds ' NoteTaker ( Mac only ) , but One Note seemed to work equally well .
Equations and pictures were numbered and handwritten on a separate page , later scanned into PDF and inserted into the notes for the day .
It worked reasonably well and was essentially free , given you have a computer and a scanner available .
With the quality of built-in laptop cameras improving , that may even be an option as a rudimentary document scanner.The Pulse pen , while looking pretty nifty , is expensive and requires special paper .
Not exactly ideal , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done about 8 years total of various Engineering classes.
The first year or two I used strictly pen and paper.
The issue there, is your work isn't search able.
You may have some idea where what you want is based upon when in the class it may have been covered, but searching is crucial.On the other hand, as has been mentioned, there are really no perfect solutions for equations and images.
I settled into a hybrid approach.
Sentences and text got typed into my laptop using a note editor of some type.
I used AquaMinds' NoteTaker (Mac only), but One Note seemed to work equally well.
Equations and pictures were numbered and handwritten on a separate page, later scanned into PDF and inserted into the notes for the day.
It worked reasonably well and was essentially free, given you have a computer and a scanner available.
With the quality of built-in laptop cameras improving, that may even be an option as a rudimentary document scanner.The Pulse pen, while looking pretty nifty, is expensive and requires special paper.
Not exactly ideal, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917887</id>
	<title>Re:1968?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256816760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe this thing exists today: Livescribe (I'm not affiliated, never tried it, but read about it). It's pretty cool, regular pen, digitizing and OCR'ing what you write, recording spoken word at the same time and what not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe this thing exists today : Livescribe ( I 'm not affiliated , never tried it , but read about it ) .
It 's pretty cool , regular pen , digitizing and OCR'ing what you write , recording spoken word at the same time and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe this thing exists today: Livescribe (I'm not affiliated, never tried it, but read about it).
It's pretty cool, regular pen, digitizing and OCR'ing what you write, recording spoken word at the same time and what not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916491</id>
	<title>OO.o MATH?</title>
	<author>pcarter7</author>
	<datestamp>1256810940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree MS Equation Editor is not worth mentioning, and I've never had the patience to sit down and teach myself LaTeX.  I'm genuinely suprised that no one has mentioned OO.o's MATH though.

Through four years of college OO.o MATH has been the best method I've found to take math notes digitally.  The symbol support is reasonable (although certain weirder algebras may necessitate changing character maps), and the markup keywords are simple and intuitive enough, and configurable to boot.  While it's not perfect I've definitely found that its very fast (in my case faster than writing it out by hand).  I also like the fact that it integrates cleanly in OO.o Writer, which means I can inline any equations with my textual notes as well.

Specifically I found it exceptionally useful in calculus, statistics, cryptography and relational algebra.

Hope that helps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree MS Equation Editor is not worth mentioning , and I 've never had the patience to sit down and teach myself LaTeX .
I 'm genuinely suprised that no one has mentioned OO.o 's MATH though .
Through four years of college OO.o MATH has been the best method I 've found to take math notes digitally .
The symbol support is reasonable ( although certain weirder algebras may necessitate changing character maps ) , and the markup keywords are simple and intuitive enough , and configurable to boot .
While it 's not perfect I 've definitely found that its very fast ( in my case faster than writing it out by hand ) .
I also like the fact that it integrates cleanly in OO.o Writer , which means I can inline any equations with my textual notes as well .
Specifically I found it exceptionally useful in calculus , statistics , cryptography and relational algebra .
Hope that helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree MS Equation Editor is not worth mentioning, and I've never had the patience to sit down and teach myself LaTeX.
I'm genuinely suprised that no one has mentioned OO.o's MATH though.
Through four years of college OO.o MATH has been the best method I've found to take math notes digitally.
The symbol support is reasonable (although certain weirder algebras may necessitate changing character maps), and the markup keywords are simple and intuitive enough, and configurable to boot.
While it's not perfect I've definitely found that its very fast (in my case faster than writing it out by hand).
I also like the fact that it integrates cleanly in OO.o Writer, which means I can inline any equations with my textual notes as well.
Specifically I found it exceptionally useful in calculus, statistics, cryptography and relational algebra.
Hope that helps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29918639</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256821500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be wonderful in Scholastitopia... but we have engineering and mathematics professors (U.S. university) who don't speak English and don't know how to use a computer. ALL of our comprehension comes from working through the equations in ours notes, post-lecture.</p><p>Typing equations directly into searchable note-form is far more efficient than wasting HD space with video that I need to review later. Much less trying to ask a professor to photocopy notes for us, which the department is unwilling to pay for (yes, that was the excuse given).</p><p>To original parent: I've found that typing equations in Ti-89 function-form has worked quite well, with macros to replace deriv, sum, and intg with d(), (), and (). If you're really a stickler for proper looking formulas and equations, there are Ti PrettyPrint  Latex converters around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be wonderful in Scholastitopia... but we have engineering and mathematics professors ( U.S. university ) who do n't speak English and do n't know how to use a computer .
ALL of our comprehension comes from working through the equations in ours notes , post-lecture.Typing equations directly into searchable note-form is far more efficient than wasting HD space with video that I need to review later .
Much less trying to ask a professor to photocopy notes for us , which the department is unwilling to pay for ( yes , that was the excuse given ) .To original parent : I 've found that typing equations in Ti-89 function-form has worked quite well , with macros to replace deriv , sum , and intg with d ( ) , ( ) , and ( ) .
If you 're really a stickler for proper looking formulas and equations , there are Ti PrettyPrint Latex converters around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be wonderful in Scholastitopia... but we have engineering and mathematics professors (U.S. university) who don't speak English and don't know how to use a computer.
ALL of our comprehension comes from working through the equations in ours notes, post-lecture.Typing equations directly into searchable note-form is far more efficient than wasting HD space with video that I need to review later.
Much less trying to ask a professor to photocopy notes for us, which the department is unwilling to pay for (yes, that was the excuse given).To original parent: I've found that typing equations in Ti-89 function-form has worked quite well, with macros to replace deriv, sum, and intg with d(), (), and ().
If you're really a stickler for proper looking formulas and equations, there are Ti PrettyPrint  Latex converters around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920183</id>
	<title>Re:Stop Taking Notes</title>
	<author>gizmo\_mathboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256832480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://bentilly.blogspot.com/2009/09/teaching-linear-algebra.html" title="blogspot.com">http://bentilly.blogspot.com/2009/09/teaching-linear-algebra.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //bentilly.blogspot.com/2009/09/teaching-linear-algebra.html [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://bentilly.blogspot.com/2009/09/teaching-linear-algebra.html [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916909</id>
	<title>Not really a suggestion of software but....</title>
	<author>EvilGrin5000</author>
	<datestamp>1256812560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to take notes electronically all the time and I ran into your problem in different classes. What I realised though, was that it was not a matter of speed, it was a matter of categorizing!

Allow me to explain.

You said you wish to take notes so you can sort them later and what not, that's a great idea and it worked great for me too! What I did for my equations though, was write them by hand on a notebook and (in the notes) refer to them as EQ1, EQ2, EQ3 etc... When I got home, I would review my notes and I would then type the equations in the notes!

This proved to be sufficiently fast if you have a notepad that you can fit on the desk with you (if you have a full-sized laptop, maybe try a smaller notebook).

I ran into this problem when I took a CS class that was making use of flow charts, I certainly didn't want to draw the damned things with a tablet, I simply drew them by hand, referred them in the notes as fig1, fig2 etc, and when I got home I would (sometimes) scan the drawings and paste them in!

I know this isn't a suggestion for software, but maybe it can help you with your notes in the mean time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to take notes electronically all the time and I ran into your problem in different classes .
What I realised though , was that it was not a matter of speed , it was a matter of categorizing !
Allow me to explain .
You said you wish to take notes so you can sort them later and what not , that 's a great idea and it worked great for me too !
What I did for my equations though , was write them by hand on a notebook and ( in the notes ) refer to them as EQ1 , EQ2 , EQ3 etc... When I got home , I would review my notes and I would then type the equations in the notes !
This proved to be sufficiently fast if you have a notepad that you can fit on the desk with you ( if you have a full-sized laptop , maybe try a smaller notebook ) .
I ran into this problem when I took a CS class that was making use of flow charts , I certainly did n't want to draw the damned things with a tablet , I simply drew them by hand , referred them in the notes as fig1 , fig2 etc , and when I got home I would ( sometimes ) scan the drawings and paste them in !
I know this is n't a suggestion for software , but maybe it can help you with your notes in the mean time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to take notes electronically all the time and I ran into your problem in different classes.
What I realised though, was that it was not a matter of speed, it was a matter of categorizing!
Allow me to explain.
You said you wish to take notes so you can sort them later and what not, that's a great idea and it worked great for me too!
What I did for my equations though, was write them by hand on a notebook and (in the notes) refer to them as EQ1, EQ2, EQ3 etc... When I got home, I would review my notes and I would then type the equations in the notes!
This proved to be sufficiently fast if you have a notepad that you can fit on the desk with you (if you have a full-sized laptop, maybe try a smaller notebook).
I ran into this problem when I took a CS class that was making use of flow charts, I certainly didn't want to draw the damned things with a tablet, I simply drew them by hand, referred them in the notes as fig1, fig2 etc, and when I got home I would (sometimes) scan the drawings and paste them in!
I know this isn't a suggestion for software, but maybe it can help you with your notes in the mean time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916879</id>
	<title>Anoto? Digital pen &amp; paper?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.anoto.com/anotopendocuments.aspx</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.anoto.com/anotopendocuments.aspx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.anoto.com/anotopendocuments.aspx</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916703</id>
	<title>Pencil and paper for technical subjects</title>
	<author>danhs7</author>
	<datestamp>1256811780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For liberal arts (or anything strongly language based, like law) typing your notes in class is fine.
<br> <br>
But law is the exception for technical subjects.  For most others, you need a pen and paper.  There are simply too many symbols which take too long to type into a qwerty keyboard, or there are too many diagrams.
<br> <br>
I have terrible handwriting and used a pen and paper throughout engineering school, and my girlfriend is doing the exact same thing in medical school now.
<br> <br>
Use the right tool for the job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For liberal arts ( or anything strongly language based , like law ) typing your notes in class is fine .
But law is the exception for technical subjects .
For most others , you need a pen and paper .
There are simply too many symbols which take too long to type into a qwerty keyboard , or there are too many diagrams .
I have terrible handwriting and used a pen and paper throughout engineering school , and my girlfriend is doing the exact same thing in medical school now .
Use the right tool for the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For liberal arts (or anything strongly language based, like law) typing your notes in class is fine.
But law is the exception for technical subjects.
For most others, you need a pen and paper.
There are simply too many symbols which take too long to type into a qwerty keyboard, or there are too many diagrams.
I have terrible handwriting and used a pen and paper throughout engineering school, and my girlfriend is doing the exact same thing in medical school now.
Use the right tool for the job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29921591</id>
	<title>take notes on low-tech notepad</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1256896440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>type them on your laptop when you arrive home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>type them on your laptop when you arrive home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>type them on your laptop when you arrive home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917621</id>
	<title>Re:TeX to the rescue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256815380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realise this was meant as a joke, but with a bunch of good editor macros (emacs/vim to the rescue) you can type equations in LaTeX extremely quickly. I took class notes for four years during my studies (splitting the work with others, collecting corrections from other students etc.), and towards the end was more than twice as fast as the professor usually wrote on the blackboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realise this was meant as a joke , but with a bunch of good editor macros ( emacs/vim to the rescue ) you can type equations in LaTeX extremely quickly .
I took class notes for four years during my studies ( splitting the work with others , collecting corrections from other students etc .
) , and towards the end was more than twice as fast as the professor usually wrote on the blackboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realise this was meant as a joke, but with a bunch of good editor macros (emacs/vim to the rescue) you can type equations in LaTeX extremely quickly.
I took class notes for four years during my studies (splitting the work with others, collecting corrections from other students etc.
), and towards the end was more than twice as fast as the professor usually wrote on the blackboard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29916087</id>
	<title>LyX?</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1256809680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it is up to the speed you need, but the equation editor in LyX is pretty darn cool.</p><p><a href="http://www.lyx.org/" title="lyx.org">http://www.lyx.org/</a> [lyx.org]</p><p>steveha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it is up to the speed you need , but the equation editor in LyX is pretty darn cool.http : //www.lyx.org/ [ lyx.org ] steveha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it is up to the speed you need, but the equation editor in LyX is pretty darn cool.http://www.lyx.org/ [lyx.org]steveha</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919695</id>
	<title>Windows 7 Math Input Panel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256828460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you tried the new Math Input Panel in Windows 7?  It automatically converts handwriting into mathematical equations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried the new Math Input Panel in Windows 7 ?
It automatically converts handwriting into mathematical equations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried the new Math Input Panel in Windows 7?
It automatically converts handwriting into mathematical equations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29917321</id>
	<title>Re:MathCad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256814180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used MathCad a lot in a previous engineering job, and I got to be pretty damn fast for most tasks.  I'd recommend giving it a try, but you need to learn the keyboard shortcuts (not too hard) to make it quick.</p><p>The upside is that it can also be used to actually do lots of math - actual or symbolic.  The downside is that in order to make it able to do math, sometimes the notation is not exactly standard..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used MathCad a lot in a previous engineering job , and I got to be pretty damn fast for most tasks .
I 'd recommend giving it a try , but you need to learn the keyboard shortcuts ( not too hard ) to make it quick.The upside is that it can also be used to actually do lots of math - actual or symbolic .
The downside is that in order to make it able to do math , sometimes the notation is not exactly standard. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used MathCad a lot in a previous engineering job, and I got to be pretty damn fast for most tasks.
I'd recommend giving it a try, but you need to learn the keyboard shortcuts (not too hard) to make it quick.The upside is that it can also be used to actually do lots of math - actual or symbolic.
The downside is that in order to make it able to do math, sometimes the notation is not exactly standard..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919863</id>
	<title>Use grapher built in to OS X</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256829720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used grapher (in the utilities folder on OS X).  Fast enough for me, and it doesn't take a lot of training.<br>Integral = option-b<br>infinity = option-5<br>sum = option-w</p><p>(did you know slashdot strips special characters?)</p><p>It handles where to put all the numbers after you get the symbol in very well.  You can right-click to copy as latex (or text), but I always just dragged them into my document, which brings it in as an image, which was good enough for me.</p><p>Bonus is that it will graph stuff if you put it in in the correct format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used grapher ( in the utilities folder on OS X ) .
Fast enough for me , and it does n't take a lot of training.Integral = option-binfinity = option-5sum = option-w ( did you know slashdot strips special characters ?
) It handles where to put all the numbers after you get the symbol in very well .
You can right-click to copy as latex ( or text ) , but I always just dragged them into my document , which brings it in as an image , which was good enough for me.Bonus is that it will graph stuff if you put it in in the correct format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used grapher (in the utilities folder on OS X).
Fast enough for me, and it doesn't take a lot of training.Integral = option-binfinity = option-5sum = option-w(did you know slashdot strips special characters?
)It handles where to put all the numbers after you get the symbol in very well.
You can right-click to copy as latex (or text), but I always just dragged them into my document, which brings it in as an image, which was good enough for me.Bonus is that it will graph stuff if you put it in in the correct format.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29926999</id>
	<title>Word 2007 Equation Editor works great for me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256931180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in a similar situation as you. I am taking graduate-level statistics courses and much prefer digital notes. I work on a MacBook Pro (I also use a virtual machine for my windows needs). First, I'll admit that I haven't used Lyx's equation editor. I tried OpenOffice's and was thoroughly unimpressed, but maybe I didn't give it enough time. So this response doesn't necessarily discount those possibilities, but simply extols Word 2007's "new" equation editor as a very productive tool for taking realtime notes in a symbols-intensive class.</p><p>The "new" equation editor in Word 2007 lets you edit equations right in the document (it's no longer a plug-in). To start an equation I simply hit alt-enter. Once in the equation editor, I just type equations almost as if they were LaTeX. It accepts most of LaTeX's math symbols, e.g. \sum \alpha \int \infty \prod. I've almost never come across a symbol I needed but Word didn't have (most recent one that I was surprised Word had: \biguplus), and you can even easily add your own for those that are missing.</p><p>There are some differences from LaTeX that you will have to learn, mostly for the better! For instance, you never have to do \left( or left\{ just plain ole' parenthesis, braces, brackets, etc and by default they autoscale (you can force it to not). And for fractions no need for \frac{num}{denom} just (num)/(denom). For these reasons and others, Word's equation editor generally requires much less typing than LaTeX's and you seldom have to use the mouse! And since it is WYSIWYG, when you make a mistake in your typing, you just click on (or navigate with the keyboard to) the actual mistake--no sorting through compiler output and very verbose markup to figure out where things went wrong. The instantaneous feedback is a huge productivity boost. You can even edit the markup for the equation directly (you'll probably never have to do this, and if you do, it is harder than editing LaTeX since every "command" gets converted to single unicode characters; but again, you'll never have to do this). Of course, if you don't know a command, you can easily find it in the GUI menu--but this will put you behind in your note taking. The Lyx or OpenOffice solutions may offer similar benefits.</p><p>Bottom line: I'm able to take notes in realtime in very math intense statistics course that utilize a bunch of strange symbols. Something I'd never be able to do using, say, Kile as a LaTeX editor.</p><p>As for battery life etc., I must admit that I use remote desktop to connect to my windows desktop so battery life is hardly affected. I rarely experience latency problems, either. I'm thinking of trying to run Office 2010 in VMWare Fusion to see how the battery holds up, but I suspect it will cut my battery life almost in half, so I imagine I'll stick to the remote desktop solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in a similar situation as you .
I am taking graduate-level statistics courses and much prefer digital notes .
I work on a MacBook Pro ( I also use a virtual machine for my windows needs ) .
First , I 'll admit that I have n't used Lyx 's equation editor .
I tried OpenOffice 's and was thoroughly unimpressed , but maybe I did n't give it enough time .
So this response does n't necessarily discount those possibilities , but simply extols Word 2007 's " new " equation editor as a very productive tool for taking realtime notes in a symbols-intensive class.The " new " equation editor in Word 2007 lets you edit equations right in the document ( it 's no longer a plug-in ) .
To start an equation I simply hit alt-enter .
Once in the equation editor , I just type equations almost as if they were LaTeX .
It accepts most of LaTeX 's math symbols , e.g .
\ sum \ alpha \ int \ infty \ prod .
I 've almost never come across a symbol I needed but Word did n't have ( most recent one that I was surprised Word had : \ biguplus ) , and you can even easily add your own for those that are missing.There are some differences from LaTeX that you will have to learn , mostly for the better !
For instance , you never have to do \ left ( or left \ { just plain ole ' parenthesis , braces , brackets , etc and by default they autoscale ( you can force it to not ) .
And for fractions no need for \ frac { num } { denom } just ( num ) / ( denom ) .
For these reasons and others , Word 's equation editor generally requires much less typing than LaTeX 's and you seldom have to use the mouse !
And since it is WYSIWYG , when you make a mistake in your typing , you just click on ( or navigate with the keyboard to ) the actual mistake--no sorting through compiler output and very verbose markup to figure out where things went wrong .
The instantaneous feedback is a huge productivity boost .
You can even edit the markup for the equation directly ( you 'll probably never have to do this , and if you do , it is harder than editing LaTeX since every " command " gets converted to single unicode characters ; but again , you 'll never have to do this ) .
Of course , if you do n't know a command , you can easily find it in the GUI menu--but this will put you behind in your note taking .
The Lyx or OpenOffice solutions may offer similar benefits.Bottom line : I 'm able to take notes in realtime in very math intense statistics course that utilize a bunch of strange symbols .
Something I 'd never be able to do using , say , Kile as a LaTeX editor.As for battery life etc. , I must admit that I use remote desktop to connect to my windows desktop so battery life is hardly affected .
I rarely experience latency problems , either .
I 'm thinking of trying to run Office 2010 in VMWare Fusion to see how the battery holds up , but I suspect it will cut my battery life almost in half , so I imagine I 'll stick to the remote desktop solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in a similar situation as you.
I am taking graduate-level statistics courses and much prefer digital notes.
I work on a MacBook Pro (I also use a virtual machine for my windows needs).
First, I'll admit that I haven't used Lyx's equation editor.
I tried OpenOffice's and was thoroughly unimpressed, but maybe I didn't give it enough time.
So this response doesn't necessarily discount those possibilities, but simply extols Word 2007's "new" equation editor as a very productive tool for taking realtime notes in a symbols-intensive class.The "new" equation editor in Word 2007 lets you edit equations right in the document (it's no longer a plug-in).
To start an equation I simply hit alt-enter.
Once in the equation editor, I just type equations almost as if they were LaTeX.
It accepts most of LaTeX's math symbols, e.g.
\sum \alpha \int \infty \prod.
I've almost never come across a symbol I needed but Word didn't have (most recent one that I was surprised Word had: \biguplus), and you can even easily add your own for those that are missing.There are some differences from LaTeX that you will have to learn, mostly for the better!
For instance, you never have to do \left( or left\{ just plain ole' parenthesis, braces, brackets, etc and by default they autoscale (you can force it to not).
And for fractions no need for \frac{num}{denom} just (num)/(denom).
For these reasons and others, Word's equation editor generally requires much less typing than LaTeX's and you seldom have to use the mouse!
And since it is WYSIWYG, when you make a mistake in your typing, you just click on (or navigate with the keyboard to) the actual mistake--no sorting through compiler output and very verbose markup to figure out where things went wrong.
The instantaneous feedback is a huge productivity boost.
You can even edit the markup for the equation directly (you'll probably never have to do this, and if you do, it is harder than editing LaTeX since every "command" gets converted to single unicode characters; but again, you'll never have to do this).
Of course, if you don't know a command, you can easily find it in the GUI menu--but this will put you behind in your note taking.
The Lyx or OpenOffice solutions may offer similar benefits.Bottom line: I'm able to take notes in realtime in very math intense statistics course that utilize a bunch of strange symbols.
Something I'd never be able to do using, say, Kile as a LaTeX editor.As for battery life etc., I must admit that I use remote desktop to connect to my windows desktop so battery life is hardly affected.
I rarely experience latency problems, either.
I'm thinking of trying to run Office 2010 in VMWare Fusion to see how the battery holds up, but I suspect it will cut my battery life almost in half, so I imagine I'll stick to the remote desktop solution.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29919457</id>
	<title>Get a tablet, use OSX</title>
	<author>gordguide</author>
	<datestamp>1256826600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get an inexpensive drawing tablet, turn on Ink in OSX (10.5 and up; at: System Preferences: but note that the preference pane will not show unless you have a graphics tablet plugged in). Write the formulas on the tablet.</p><p>You can take screenshots (Command-Option-3 full screen; Command-Option-4 select an area to capture) to save what you write/draw and use Ink's character recognition to convert it to formulas with a check via the saved screenshots to make sure it didn't make errors. You can turn the character recognition off or on anytime via the Ink preference pane.<br>You will want to enable the Character Palette (at: System Preferences: Keyboard &amp; Mouse) so you have quick access to the mathematical symbols in your chosen fonts for your saved notes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get an inexpensive drawing tablet , turn on Ink in OSX ( 10.5 and up ; at : System Preferences : but note that the preference pane will not show unless you have a graphics tablet plugged in ) .
Write the formulas on the tablet.You can take screenshots ( Command-Option-3 full screen ; Command-Option-4 select an area to capture ) to save what you write/draw and use Ink 's character recognition to convert it to formulas with a check via the saved screenshots to make sure it did n't make errors .
You can turn the character recognition off or on anytime via the Ink preference pane.You will want to enable the Character Palette ( at : System Preferences : Keyboard &amp; Mouse ) so you have quick access to the mathematical symbols in your chosen fonts for your saved notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get an inexpensive drawing tablet, turn on Ink in OSX (10.5 and up; at: System Preferences: but note that the preference pane will not show unless you have a graphics tablet plugged in).
Write the formulas on the tablet.You can take screenshots (Command-Option-3 full screen; Command-Option-4 select an area to capture) to save what you write/draw and use Ink's character recognition to convert it to formulas with a check via the saved screenshots to make sure it didn't make errors.
You can turn the character recognition off or on anytime via the Ink preference pane.You will want to enable the Character Palette (at: System Preferences: Keyboard &amp; Mouse) so you have quick access to the mathematical symbols in your chosen fonts for your saved notes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29915957</id>
	<title>Windows 7 now has a math input panel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows 7 now features a math input panel, which converts handwritten mathematics to MathML.

You can see screenshots at this link:
<a href="http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots" title="gottabemobile.com">http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots</a> [gottabemobile.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 now features a math input panel , which converts handwritten mathematics to MathML .
You can see screenshots at this link : http : //www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots [ gottabemobile.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 now features a math input panel, which converts handwritten mathematics to MathML.
You can see screenshots at this link:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/29/windows-7-math-input-panel-screenshots [gottabemobile.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1955236.29920249</id>
	<title>Stick with LaTeX but also...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...have either a pen and notepad to write down super long equations that you cannot type quickly in class. In your tex file, just type a little note (make a macro that increments some sort of equation counter) that says "formula  here" and then just copy it into your tex file once you get home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...have either a pen and notepad to write down super long equations that you can not type quickly in class .
In your tex file , just type a little note ( make a macro that increments some sort of equation counter ) that says " formula here " and then just copy it into your tex file once you get home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...have either a pen and notepad to write down super long equations that you cannot type quickly in class.
In your tex file, just type a little note (make a macro that increments some sort of equation counter) that says "formula  here" and then just copy it into your tex file once you get home.</sentencetext>
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