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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_29_1717204</id>
	<title>Who Installs the Most Crapware?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256839200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"PC Pro has done a thorough test of the <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/352927/the-crapware-con">software bundled by nine of the leading laptop manufacturers</a> to find out who installs the most crapware on their PCs. Manufacturers such as Acer add as much as two minutes to their boot times by stuffing their machines full of bundled software, with own-brand proprietary software being the worst offender. HP's bundled apps, meanwhile, have a memory footprint of more than 1GB. PC Pro has also reviewed <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/352930/crapware-cleaners">three pieces of software which promise to remove rubbish</a> from your PC &mdash; with mixed results."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " PC Pro has done a thorough test of the software bundled by nine of the leading laptop manufacturers to find out who installs the most crapware on their PCs .
Manufacturers such as Acer add as much as two minutes to their boot times by stuffing their machines full of bundled software , with own-brand proprietary software being the worst offender .
HP 's bundled apps , meanwhile , have a memory footprint of more than 1GB .
PC Pro has also reviewed three pieces of software which promise to remove rubbish from your PC    with mixed results .
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<sentencetext>Barence writes "PC Pro has done a thorough test of the software bundled by nine of the leading laptop manufacturers to find out who installs the most crapware on their PCs.
Manufacturers such as Acer add as much as two minutes to their boot times by stuffing their machines full of bundled software, with own-brand proprietary software being the worst offender.
HP's bundled apps, meanwhile, have a memory footprint of more than 1GB.
PC Pro has also reviewed three pieces of software which promise to remove rubbish from your PC — with mixed results.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915597</id>
	<title>Re:iWork vs. MS Works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, i can easily say it can't be much worse than MS Excel 2008 for Mac, this is probably the biggest step back in usability I've ever encountered.  I'm perfectly happy with Word 2008, and Powerpoint 2008 is better than PDFing a bunch of illustrator files together, barely.  But Excel 2008 is nigh on unusable.  Opening older files with several charts and lots of data... plan on getting a cup of coffee.  It used to take less that 10s now and once open be nice and snappy.  On the same computer, the same file gets opened and used long enough to convert to text and work outside of Excel.  I've never been a fan of doing calculations in Excel, but sometimes that was just the fastest, easiest way to do something once.  Not any more.</p><p>And why take away the useful error bars you idiots.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/end rant/</p><p>Also, in response to some above comments, if Acrobat Reader is considered crapware, does Preview get counted as crapware on OSX?  Only if loaded before use?  That is seriously one of the most useful programs I've ever come across.  I now use Acrobat when forced only.</p><p>-sk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , i can easily say it ca n't be much worse than MS Excel 2008 for Mac , this is probably the biggest step back in usability I 've ever encountered .
I 'm perfectly happy with Word 2008 , and Powerpoint 2008 is better than PDFing a bunch of illustrator files together , barely .
But Excel 2008 is nigh on unusable .
Opening older files with several charts and lots of data... plan on getting a cup of coffee .
It used to take less that 10s now and once open be nice and snappy .
On the same computer , the same file gets opened and used long enough to convert to text and work outside of Excel .
I 've never been a fan of doing calculations in Excel , but sometimes that was just the fastest , easiest way to do something once .
Not any more.And why take away the useful error bars you idiots .
/end rant/Also , in response to some above comments , if Acrobat Reader is considered crapware , does Preview get counted as crapware on OSX ?
Only if loaded before use ?
That is seriously one of the most useful programs I 've ever come across .
I now use Acrobat when forced only.-sk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, i can easily say it can't be much worse than MS Excel 2008 for Mac, this is probably the biggest step back in usability I've ever encountered.
I'm perfectly happy with Word 2008, and Powerpoint 2008 is better than PDFing a bunch of illustrator files together, barely.
But Excel 2008 is nigh on unusable.
Opening older files with several charts and lots of data... plan on getting a cup of coffee.
It used to take less that 10s now and once open be nice and snappy.
On the same computer, the same file gets opened and used long enough to convert to text and work outside of Excel.
I've never been a fan of doing calculations in Excel, but sometimes that was just the fastest, easiest way to do something once.
Not any more.And why take away the useful error bars you idiots.
/end rant/Also, in response to some above comments, if Acrobat Reader is considered crapware, does Preview get counted as crapware on OSX?
Only if loaded before use?
That is seriously one of the most useful programs I've ever come across.
I now use Acrobat when forced only.-sk</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920701</id>
	<title>Re:PC Decrapifier</title>
	<author>mattsengle</author>
	<datestamp>1256838480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, the first new download i use is PCDecrapifier, makes it easy to remove all the "trial-ware" that comes with HP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , the first new download i use is PCDecrapifier , makes it easy to remove all the " trial-ware " that comes with HP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, the first new download i use is PCDecrapifier, makes it easy to remove all the "trial-ware" that comes with HP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922033</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1256904000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux does eveything I want, and everything lots of other Linux users I know want. I have a smaller range of apps available, but no crapware, no malware, a choice of desktop environments, easy software installation, easy security updates, no vendor lockin, etc.</p><p>Sounds a pretty good trade off to me. Was this your point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux does eveything I want , and everything lots of other Linux users I know want .
I have a smaller range of apps available , but no crapware , no malware , a choice of desktop environments , easy software installation , easy security updates , no vendor lockin , etc.Sounds a pretty good trade off to me .
Was this your point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux does eveything I want, and everything lots of other Linux users I know want.
I have a smaller range of apps available, but no crapware, no malware, a choice of desktop environments, easy software installation, easy security updates, no vendor lockin, etc.Sounds a pretty good trade off to me.
Was this your point?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914319</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Recently bought a HP HDX 16 at Best Buy. The Geek Squad guy asked if I wanted it "optimized" or "pre-optimized". Optimized, I learned, means taking all the crapware off. I told him that's ok I was going home to "optimize" Winblows completely off the system so all was good. He looked at me funny. "I'm going to install Ubuntu and wipe the drive." "Ohhh" and the look of comprehension washed over his face.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently bought a HP HDX 16 at Best Buy .
The Geek Squad guy asked if I wanted it " optimized " or " pre-optimized " .
Optimized , I learned , means taking all the crapware off .
I told him that 's ok I was going home to " optimize " Winblows completely off the system so all was good .
He looked at me funny .
" I 'm going to install Ubuntu and wipe the drive .
" " Ohhh " and the look of comprehension washed over his face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently bought a HP HDX 16 at Best Buy.
The Geek Squad guy asked if I wanted it "optimized" or "pre-optimized".
Optimized, I learned, means taking all the crapware off.
I told him that's ok I was going home to "optimize" Winblows completely off the system so all was good.
He looked at me funny.
"I'm going to install Ubuntu and wipe the drive.
" "Ohhh" and the look of comprehension washed over his face.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916517</id>
	<title>more reason to turn away from Windows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's one more reason to install Linux.</p><p>I hate those crapware too. Especially the ones that send you popups like "why have you still not bought the full version".</p><p>The printer software that comes with my HP printer is really bad too. It takes about an hour to install, takes 700MB of hard disk space, etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>On Fedora Linux, I can install the printer in 2 minutes, and it does not take extra space on disk (ok, so probably Fedora pre installed the driver in some directory, but so what?)</p><p>I don't expect Windows 7 to improve anything. Computer manufacturers want the money that comes from those 3rd party software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's one more reason to install Linux.I hate those crapware too .
Especially the ones that send you popups like " why have you still not bought the full version " .The printer software that comes with my HP printer is really bad too .
It takes about an hour to install , takes 700MB of hard disk space , etc ...On Fedora Linux , I can install the printer in 2 minutes , and it does not take extra space on disk ( ok , so probably Fedora pre installed the driver in some directory , but so what ?
) I do n't expect Windows 7 to improve anything .
Computer manufacturers want the money that comes from those 3rd party software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's one more reason to install Linux.I hate those crapware too.
Especially the ones that send you popups like "why have you still not bought the full version".The printer software that comes with my HP printer is really bad too.
It takes about an hour to install, takes 700MB of hard disk space, etc ...On Fedora Linux, I can install the printer in 2 minutes, and it does not take extra space on disk (ok, so probably Fedora pre installed the driver in some directory, but so what?
)I don't expect Windows 7 to improve anything.
Computer manufacturers want the money that comes from those 3rd party software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915661</id>
	<title>Re:I just bought an HP laptop</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1256808060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now, if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days!</p></div></blockquote><p>And set some of their other programs TO self-destruct in 90 days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days ! And set some of their other programs TO self-destruct in 90 days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days!And set some of their other programs TO self-destruct in 90 days.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916057</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>VIPERsssss</author>
	<datestamp>1256809620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think they should be able to put any app in the system tray that they want.<br>
The catch is that they have to take a kick in the nuts every time they do.
<br> <br>
Also, additional kicks every time it places itself *back* in the system tray.<br>
I'm looking at you Quicktime.  &gt;:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they should be able to put any app in the system tray that they want .
The catch is that they have to take a kick in the nuts every time they do .
Also , additional kicks every time it places itself * back * in the system tray .
I 'm looking at you Quicktime .
&gt; : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they should be able to put any app in the system tray that they want.
The catch is that they have to take a kick in the nuts every time they do.
Also, additional kicks every time it places itself *back* in the system tray.
I'm looking at you Quicktime.
&gt;:-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915699</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>Script Cat</author>
	<datestamp>1256808240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason to have your program start and consume memory and processor cycles all the time is to monitor your actions and send data home to daddy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason to have your program start and consume memory and processor cycles all the time is to monitor your actions and send data home to daddy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason to have your program start and consume memory and processor cycles all the time is to monitor your actions and send data home to daddy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917363</id>
	<title>Evince vs. Acroread</title>
	<author>ratboy666</author>
	<datestamp>1256814300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Evince is better that Acroread?</p><p>Maybe. But I have books which are simple bitmap pages. An example is the SNOBOL4 Griswold "Green Book" (google for gb.pdf). It takes FOREVER to render pages in Evince, whereas Acroread displays them at an acceptable rate.</p><p>Just sayin' Here is the run-time data. The test is simple: 512MB 1.6GB netbook (Acer Aspire One, Linpus dress, Acroread as installed by Acer, Evince installed from Fedora 8 repository), load and render the first five pages (only), and then exit to the command prompt.</p><p>Using Evince</p><p>[user@ariel SNOBOL]$ time evince gb.pdf</p><p>real    1m27.401s<br>user    0m6.532s<br>sys     0m1.980s<br>[user@ariel SNOBOL]$</p><p>Using Acroread</p><p>[user@ariel SNOBOL]$ time acroread gb.pdf</p><p>real    0m29.512s<br>user    0m8.789s<br>sys     0m1.044s<br>[user@ariel SNOBOL]$</p><p>Note that the timing data isn't particularly accurate -- it has to include my "click time" (actually, page-down), And, I accidentally did 6 pages in acroread (so the time is definitely over). I clicked ahead on the exit button for Evince. So, the timing advantage is actually to Evince!</p><p>Now, I'm not claiming that Adobe Reader is the cat's meow, but your rather blanket statement is very easily debunked. Evince takes 3x longer than Acroread. If that is "significantly better than Adobe's offering", I would like to see something you consider worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Evince is better that Acroread ? Maybe .
But I have books which are simple bitmap pages .
An example is the SNOBOL4 Griswold " Green Book " ( google for gb.pdf ) .
It takes FOREVER to render pages in Evince , whereas Acroread displays them at an acceptable rate.Just sayin ' Here is the run-time data .
The test is simple : 512MB 1.6GB netbook ( Acer Aspire One , Linpus dress , Acroread as installed by Acer , Evince installed from Fedora 8 repository ) , load and render the first five pages ( only ) , and then exit to the command prompt.Using Evince [ user @ ariel SNOBOL ] $ time evince gb.pdfreal 1m27.401suser 0m6.532ssys 0m1.980s [ user @ ariel SNOBOL ] $ Using Acroread [ user @ ariel SNOBOL ] $ time acroread gb.pdfreal 0m29.512suser 0m8.789ssys 0m1.044s [ user @ ariel SNOBOL ] $ Note that the timing data is n't particularly accurate -- it has to include my " click time " ( actually , page-down ) , And , I accidentally did 6 pages in acroread ( so the time is definitely over ) .
I clicked ahead on the exit button for Evince .
So , the timing advantage is actually to Evince ! Now , I 'm not claiming that Adobe Reader is the cat 's meow , but your rather blanket statement is very easily debunked .
Evince takes 3x longer than Acroread .
If that is " significantly better than Adobe 's offering " , I would like to see something you consider worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Evince is better that Acroread?Maybe.
But I have books which are simple bitmap pages.
An example is the SNOBOL4 Griswold "Green Book" (google for gb.pdf).
It takes FOREVER to render pages in Evince, whereas Acroread displays them at an acceptable rate.Just sayin' Here is the run-time data.
The test is simple: 512MB 1.6GB netbook (Acer Aspire One, Linpus dress, Acroread as installed by Acer, Evince installed from Fedora 8 repository), load and render the first five pages (only), and then exit to the command prompt.Using Evince[user@ariel SNOBOL]$ time evince gb.pdfreal    1m27.401suser    0m6.532ssys     0m1.980s[user@ariel SNOBOL]$Using Acroread[user@ariel SNOBOL]$ time acroread gb.pdfreal    0m29.512suser    0m8.789ssys     0m1.044s[user@ariel SNOBOL]$Note that the timing data isn't particularly accurate -- it has to include my "click time" (actually, page-down), And, I accidentally did 6 pages in acroread (so the time is definitely over).
I clicked ahead on the exit button for Evince.
So, the timing advantage is actually to Evince!Now, I'm not claiming that Adobe Reader is the cat's meow, but your rather blanket statement is very easily debunked.
Evince takes 3x longer than Acroread.
If that is "significantly better than Adobe's offering", I would like to see something you consider worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29929397</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Suddenly\_Dead</author>
	<datestamp>1256900460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( <a href="http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/" title="foxitsoftware.com">http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/</a> [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.</p></div></blockquote><p>Last time I used Foxit (during the summer), I had issues with printing. It missed half the graphical elements on a number of slides, including simple lines (though it did print the arrowheads at the end). These elements appeared perfectly fine on-screen, but simply wouldn't print. Adobe Reader had no issue, nor did Preview on OS X.</p><p>Take this anecdote as you will, though it's pretty much as well-supported as what's provided above.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http : //www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [ foxitsoftware.com ] ) against Adobe Reader , and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe 's version is better.Last time I used Foxit ( during the summer ) , I had issues with printing .
It missed half the graphical elements on a number of slides , including simple lines ( though it did print the arrowheads at the end ) .
These elements appeared perfectly fine on-screen , but simply would n't print .
Adobe Reader had no issue , nor did Preview on OS X.Take this anecdote as you will , though it 's pretty much as well-supported as what 's provided above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.Last time I used Foxit (during the summer), I had issues with printing.
It missed half the graphical elements on a number of slides, including simple lines (though it did print the arrowheads at the end).
These elements appeared perfectly fine on-screen, but simply wouldn't print.
Adobe Reader had no issue, nor did Preview on OS X.Take this anecdote as you will, though it's pretty much as well-supported as what's provided above.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916811</id>
	<title>Autoruns</title>
	<author>Gi0</author>
	<datestamp>1256812140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Autoruns has nothing to do with"cleaning crapware".It lists everything that starts with your computer.Disabling the autorun feature of crapware doesnt make it vanish.PC Pro should have known that,since they are "Pro".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Autoruns has nothing to do with " cleaning crapware " .It lists everything that starts with your computer.Disabling the autorun feature of crapware doesnt make it vanish.PC Pro should have known that,since they are " Pro " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Autoruns has nothing to do with"cleaning crapware".It lists everything that starts with your computer.Disabling the autorun feature of crapware doesnt make it vanish.PC Pro should have known that,since they are "Pro".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914461</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>redJag</author>
	<datestamp>1256846640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you saying MobileMe is nagware because when you first install the OS it asks you once if you want to try a 30 day trial?  I'd consider nagware something that persistently nags you, not something that alerts you to its existence once, unless I am missing something about MobileMe.  As for Quicktime, I think you are talking about the standard vs Pro version?  That recently went away with Quicktime 10.0.. they're all "pro" now for free, I believe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you saying MobileMe is nagware because when you first install the OS it asks you once if you want to try a 30 day trial ?
I 'd consider nagware something that persistently nags you , not something that alerts you to its existence once , unless I am missing something about MobileMe .
As for Quicktime , I think you are talking about the standard vs Pro version ?
That recently went away with Quicktime 10.0.. they 're all " pro " now for free , I believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you saying MobileMe is nagware because when you first install the OS it asks you once if you want to try a 30 day trial?
I'd consider nagware something that persistently nags you, not something that alerts you to its existence once, unless I am missing something about MobileMe.
As for Quicktime, I think you are talking about the standard vs Pro version?
That recently went away with Quicktime 10.0.. they're all "pro" now for free, I believe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918539</id>
	<title>Absolutely No Crapware on My AOpen Computer</title>
	<author>Rick17JJ</author>
	<datestamp>1256821080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was absolutely no crapware on the AOpen computer, which I purchased about 2 1/2 years ago.  I was very pleasantly surpised to discover that it came with just the plain Windows XP Professional installed, and almost nothing else. I had never before seen a Windows computer, which did not have lots of annoying unwanted crapware installed. There were not any unwanted demo programs that stop working after a short period of time.  It did not have any extra unwanted stuff that would automatically start up, while booting up.<br><br>The AOpen computer is a very small desktop computer that is just book sized 6-inch x 6-inch x 2-inch box, that uses an external keyboard, monitor and mouse.<br><br>I have somehow managed to keep it reasonably free of unwanted crapware, even after hooking up to DSL and installing several commercial programs.  I also installed some free open source software, which of course did add crapware. Even now, the computer boots up and shuts down in a fraction of the time of most other Windows computers that I have used. It boots up and shuts down about as quickly as my Linux computer and it feels just as clean and free of crapware. I am also happy that ESSET NOD anti-virus/firewall, which I installed, does not seem to affect performance noticeably.<br><br>There was some unwanted crapware that was added during my original DSL Internet setup. But, that was done on an older computer, which I no longer have (not the AOpen computer). The fact that my main computer is a Linux computer, has also helped keep my Windows XP computer in such a wonderful pristine clean condition. The AOpen Windows XP computer was used much less, than the Linux computer.<br><br>Linux distros, such as Ubuntu, do not ever come with what what I would consider to be crapware, despite the fact that many programs and utilities are installed by default.  None of it is advertising demos or unwanted toolbars or that type of thing. Besides that, I can quickly easily install or uninstall whatever I want with the Snyaptic package manager. There is never any advertising related stuff on a Linux installation CD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was absolutely no crapware on the AOpen computer , which I purchased about 2 1/2 years ago .
I was very pleasantly surpised to discover that it came with just the plain Windows XP Professional installed , and almost nothing else .
I had never before seen a Windows computer , which did not have lots of annoying unwanted crapware installed .
There were not any unwanted demo programs that stop working after a short period of time .
It did not have any extra unwanted stuff that would automatically start up , while booting up.The AOpen computer is a very small desktop computer that is just book sized 6-inch x 6-inch x 2-inch box , that uses an external keyboard , monitor and mouse.I have somehow managed to keep it reasonably free of unwanted crapware , even after hooking up to DSL and installing several commercial programs .
I also installed some free open source software , which of course did add crapware .
Even now , the computer boots up and shuts down in a fraction of the time of most other Windows computers that I have used .
It boots up and shuts down about as quickly as my Linux computer and it feels just as clean and free of crapware .
I am also happy that ESSET NOD anti-virus/firewall , which I installed , does not seem to affect performance noticeably.There was some unwanted crapware that was added during my original DSL Internet setup .
But , that was done on an older computer , which I no longer have ( not the AOpen computer ) .
The fact that my main computer is a Linux computer , has also helped keep my Windows XP computer in such a wonderful pristine clean condition .
The AOpen Windows XP computer was used much less , than the Linux computer.Linux distros , such as Ubuntu , do not ever come with what what I would consider to be crapware , despite the fact that many programs and utilities are installed by default .
None of it is advertising demos or unwanted toolbars or that type of thing .
Besides that , I can quickly easily install or uninstall whatever I want with the Snyaptic package manager .
There is never any advertising related stuff on a Linux installation CD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was absolutely no crapware on the AOpen computer, which I purchased about 2 1/2 years ago.
I was very pleasantly surpised to discover that it came with just the plain Windows XP Professional installed, and almost nothing else.
I had never before seen a Windows computer, which did not have lots of annoying unwanted crapware installed.
There were not any unwanted demo programs that stop working after a short period of time.
It did not have any extra unwanted stuff that would automatically start up, while booting up.The AOpen computer is a very small desktop computer that is just book sized 6-inch x 6-inch x 2-inch box, that uses an external keyboard, monitor and mouse.I have somehow managed to keep it reasonably free of unwanted crapware, even after hooking up to DSL and installing several commercial programs.
I also installed some free open source software, which of course did add crapware.
Even now, the computer boots up and shuts down in a fraction of the time of most other Windows computers that I have used.
It boots up and shuts down about as quickly as my Linux computer and it feels just as clean and free of crapware.
I am also happy that ESSET NOD anti-virus/firewall, which I installed, does not seem to affect performance noticeably.There was some unwanted crapware that was added during my original DSL Internet setup.
But, that was done on an older computer, which I no longer have (not the AOpen computer).
The fact that my main computer is a Linux computer, has also helped keep my Windows XP computer in such a wonderful pristine clean condition.
The AOpen Windows XP computer was used much less, than the Linux computer.Linux distros, such as Ubuntu, do not ever come with what what I would consider to be crapware, despite the fact that many programs and utilities are installed by default.
None of it is advertising demos or unwanted toolbars or that type of thing.
Besides that, I can quickly easily install or uninstall whatever I want with the Snyaptic package manager.
There is never any advertising related stuff on a Linux installation CD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914849</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256848260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only because you actually want to use the crapware that Apple has forced on you and therefore don't view it as crapware.</p><p>If the article had avoided derogatory terms and asked which supplier loaded the most unasked for and useless software that bogs down the hardware that you actually wanted to buy, then Apple would at least be one of the front-runners.</p><p>Although it may not actually count as unwanted, considering you've actually paid 50\% over the odds for said hardware apparently someone thinks you want it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only because you actually want to use the crapware that Apple has forced on you and therefore do n't view it as crapware.If the article had avoided derogatory terms and asked which supplier loaded the most unasked for and useless software that bogs down the hardware that you actually wanted to buy , then Apple would at least be one of the front-runners.Although it may not actually count as unwanted , considering you 've actually paid 50 \ % over the odds for said hardware apparently someone thinks you want it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only because you actually want to use the crapware that Apple has forced on you and therefore don't view it as crapware.If the article had avoided derogatory terms and asked which supplier loaded the most unasked for and useless software that bogs down the hardware that you actually wanted to buy, then Apple would at least be one of the front-runners.Although it may not actually count as unwanted, considering you've actually paid 50\% over the odds for said hardware apparently someone thinks you want it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914757</id>
	<title>Dell Inspiron</title>
	<author>spacemky</author>
	<datestamp>1256847900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought a 600-dollar-is Dell Inspiron this week with Windows 7. It had about 3 full pages of factory-installed crapware. Took a good amount of time to uninstall all the garbage. Most I've seen in a long time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a 600-dollar-is Dell Inspiron this week with Windows 7 .
It had about 3 full pages of factory-installed crapware .
Took a good amount of time to uninstall all the garbage .
Most I 've seen in a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a 600-dollar-is Dell Inspiron this week with Windows 7.
It had about 3 full pages of factory-installed crapware.
Took a good amount of time to uninstall all the garbage.
Most I've seen in a long time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916411</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>dan\_sdot</author>
	<datestamp>1256810700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start</p></div></blockquote><p>

It is not exactly that they think their software is that important... it is a way of cheating.
<br> <br>
When they "auto-start" the app when the operating system loads, they are pre-loading some memory and executing some initialization.  So then, when you go to start their program.... BAM!  It pops up so quickly!  What a great piece of software, it is so fast!!!
<br> <br>
And yes, this trick works on about 99\% of users.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start It is not exactly that they think their software is that important... it is a way of cheating .
When they " auto-start " the app when the operating system loads , they are pre-loading some memory and executing some initialization .
So then , when you go to start their program.... BAM ! It pops up so quickly !
What a great piece of software , it is so fast ! ! !
And yes , this trick works on about 99 \ % of users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start

It is not exactly that they think their software is that important... it is a way of cheating.
When they "auto-start" the app when the operating system loads, they are pre-loading some memory and executing some initialization.
So then, when you go to start their program.... BAM!  It pops up so quickly!
What a great piece of software, it is so fast!!!
And yes, this trick works on about 99\% of users.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915397</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's like trying to flush out a toilet full of shit by dumping piss in the bowl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's like trying to flush out a toilet full of shit by dumping piss in the bowl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's like trying to flush out a toilet full of shit by dumping piss in the bowl.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913649</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915771</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1256808600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like what?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914079</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple.</p></div><p>well.. I would consider a PC pre-installed with QuickTime the worst crapware of all.Yay for Win7 playing mov files without installing that abomination.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple.well.. I would consider a PC pre-installed with QuickTime the worst crapware of all.Yay for Win7 playing mov files without installing that abomination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple.well.. I would consider a PC pre-installed with QuickTime the worst crapware of all.Yay for Win7 playing mov files without installing that abomination.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914917</id>
	<title>Re:I'll tell you who</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1256848500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>But she <em>needs</em> three different Emoticon Buddy programs, software for a dozen spyware-riddled, kitschy games websites, and four different antivirus trials! And dammit, if you delete them off, she's going to put them <em> right back on</em> as soon as you leave, because what good is this computer thingy without dancing smiley faces in emails??
<br> <br>
*cough* Er, sorry. I'm putting the chainsaw down now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But she needs three different Emoticon Buddy programs , software for a dozen spyware-riddled , kitschy games websites , and four different antivirus trials !
And dammit , if you delete them off , she 's going to put them right back on as soon as you leave , because what good is this computer thingy without dancing smiley faces in emails ? ?
* cough * Er , sorry .
I 'm putting the chainsaw down now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But she needs three different Emoticon Buddy programs, software for a dozen spyware-riddled, kitschy games websites, and four different antivirus trials!
And dammit, if you delete them off, she's going to put them  right back on as soon as you leave, because what good is this computer thingy without dancing smiley faces in emails??
*cough* Er, sorry.
I'm putting the chainsaw down now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914233</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915455</id>
	<title>Ubuntu w/o added crap - Masonux</title>
	<author>BIGstan</author>
	<datestamp>1256807400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/masonux/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Masonux</a> [google.com] is a Ubuntu mod with minimal stuff - but has Synaptic on it so guys like me can install just what they want.  Small image, small HD footprint. Crap free!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Masonux [ google.com ] is a Ubuntu mod with minimal stuff - but has Synaptic on it so guys like me can install just what they want .
Small image , small HD footprint .
Crap free !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masonux [google.com] is a Ubuntu mod with minimal stuff - but has Synaptic on it so guys like me can install just what they want.
Small image, small HD footprint.
Crap free!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913951</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>jhfry</author>
	<datestamp>1256844600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that almost nothing is ever truly removed when you use its uninstaller.  And often even if it were, the damage is already done.</p><p>Finally, what about the unsuspecting non-tech user who bought the machine at BestBuy at the advice of the salesman.  Sit down sometime with one of them and help them clean up their pc.  "Do you use XXX? -- I don't think so, what's it do? -- It slows down the computer. --  Maybe the kids will need it, lets just leave it alone."</p><p>Even I have a hard time determining what applications are junk and what is part of a driver or something useful.</p><p>That's partly why I no longer support Windows for friends/family.  If you want free support, then be prepared to get migrated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that almost nothing is ever truly removed when you use its uninstaller .
And often even if it were , the damage is already done.Finally , what about the unsuspecting non-tech user who bought the machine at BestBuy at the advice of the salesman .
Sit down sometime with one of them and help them clean up their pc .
" Do you use XXX ?
-- I do n't think so , what 's it do ?
-- It slows down the computer .
-- Maybe the kids will need it , lets just leave it alone .
" Even I have a hard time determining what applications are junk and what is part of a driver or something useful.That 's partly why I no longer support Windows for friends/family .
If you want free support , then be prepared to get migrated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that almost nothing is ever truly removed when you use its uninstaller.
And often even if it were, the damage is already done.Finally, what about the unsuspecting non-tech user who bought the machine at BestBuy at the advice of the salesman.
Sit down sometime with one of them and help them clean up their pc.
"Do you use XXX?
-- I don't think so, what's it do?
-- It slows down the computer.
--  Maybe the kids will need it, lets just leave it alone.
"Even I have a hard time determining what applications are junk and what is part of a driver or something useful.That's partly why I no longer support Windows for friends/family.
If you want free support, then be prepared to get migrated.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913675</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914663</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>RobDude</author>
	<datestamp>1256847420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason is mostly because the law says they can't.</p><p>Trust me, Microsoft wants nothing more than to bundle it's own version of just about every application you can think of.  But, the legal system says they can't.  They were declared a monopoly and part of that has limited their ability to include things you want into the OS.</p><p>I'm not 'Pro MS' or 'Pro Linux' or anything, I just don't care.  But I do think that it's funny that, essentially, the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system are now the same people who still say MS is an evil monopoly but advocate Linux because it includes far more stuff you'll need than Windows.</p><p>But yeah, it's really not that MS doesn't want it - it's that it's hands are tied.  At least, that's been my understanding of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason is mostly because the law says they ca n't.Trust me , Microsoft wants nothing more than to bundle it 's own version of just about every application you can think of .
But , the legal system says they ca n't .
They were declared a monopoly and part of that has limited their ability to include things you want into the OS.I 'm not 'Pro MS ' or 'Pro Linux ' or anything , I just do n't care .
But I do think that it 's funny that , essentially , the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system are now the same people who still say MS is an evil monopoly but advocate Linux because it includes far more stuff you 'll need than Windows.But yeah , it 's really not that MS does n't want it - it 's that it 's hands are tied .
At least , that 's been my understanding of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason is mostly because the law says they can't.Trust me, Microsoft wants nothing more than to bundle it's own version of just about every application you can think of.
But, the legal system says they can't.
They were declared a monopoly and part of that has limited their ability to include things you want into the OS.I'm not 'Pro MS' or 'Pro Linux' or anything, I just don't care.
But I do think that it's funny that, essentially, the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system are now the same people who still say MS is an evil monopoly but advocate Linux because it includes far more stuff you'll need than Windows.But yeah, it's really not that MS doesn't want it - it's that it's hands are tied.
At least, that's been my understanding of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913675</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The crapware installed on thses computers are advertisements. These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD, but I'd much rather take a couple minutes to remove Spore Creature Creator from my new HP than pay the extra money for buying an "ad-free" computer.</p><p>Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The crapware installed on thses computers are advertisements .
These computers would cost a lot more money if they did n't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD , but I 'd much rather take a couple minutes to remove Spore Creature Creator from my new HP than pay the extra money for buying an " ad-free " computer.Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crapware installed on thses computers are advertisements.
These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD, but I'd much rather take a couple minutes to remove Spore Creature Creator from my new HP than pay the extra money for buying an "ad-free" computer.Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920111</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1256831820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that none of these affect your boot time or system performance. They do not automatically start up and then start bugging you every now and then to spend some money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that none of these affect your boot time or system performance .
They do not automatically start up and then start bugging you every now and then to spend some money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that none of these affect your boot time or system performance.
They do not automatically start up and then start bugging you every now and then to spend some money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914201</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913975</id>
	<title>Re:Good recent experience with Asus</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1256844780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netbooks in general seem to be pretty good in terms of crapware.</p><p>My 9" Aspire One was the first computer I've ever bought that I didn't immediately feel the need to nuke and repave.<br>My Eee 1000HE was the second.</p><p>My Asus G51vx is the third.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks in general seem to be pretty good in terms of crapware.My 9 " Aspire One was the first computer I 've ever bought that I did n't immediately feel the need to nuke and repave.My Eee 1000HE was the second.My Asus G51vx is the third .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks in general seem to be pretty good in terms of crapware.My 9" Aspire One was the first computer I've ever bought that I didn't immediately feel the need to nuke and repave.My Eee 1000HE was the second.My Asus G51vx is the third.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913669</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919959</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1256830560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, having just sat through a few presentation from Lenovo on windows 7 support for their laptops, quite a few of the ThinVantage tools are going away, since they don't offer anything substantially different from what MS now implements.. Off the top of my head:<br>Thinkvantage Presentation Director (since Win7 makes it very easy to setup secondary displays)<br>Thinkvantage EasyEject since undocking is pretty standard now<br>I think the Fingerprint software is going away, and a few other newer suprises..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , having just sat through a few presentation from Lenovo on windows 7 support for their laptops , quite a few of the ThinVantage tools are going away , since they do n't offer anything substantially different from what MS now implements.. Off the top of my head : Thinkvantage Presentation Director ( since Win7 makes it very easy to setup secondary displays ) Thinkvantage EasyEject since undocking is pretty standard nowI think the Fingerprint software is going away , and a few other newer suprises. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, having just sat through a few presentation from Lenovo on windows 7 support for their laptops, quite a few of the ThinVantage tools are going away, since they don't offer anything substantially different from what MS now implements.. Off the top of my head:Thinkvantage Presentation Director (since Win7 makes it very easy to setup secondary displays)Thinkvantage EasyEject since undocking is pretty standard nowI think the Fingerprint software is going away, and a few other newer suprises..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913827</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918353</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>truesaer</author>
	<datestamp>1256819700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried FoxIt for a while...it is definitely more memory efficient, but it failed to render a lot of PDFs properly.  I eventually gave up and went back to Adobe's shitty software (which hogs memory and crashes a lot).  It's a tough choice to be honest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried FoxIt for a while...it is definitely more memory efficient , but it failed to render a lot of PDFs properly .
I eventually gave up and went back to Adobe 's shitty software ( which hogs memory and crashes a lot ) .
It 's a tough choice to be honest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried FoxIt for a while...it is definitely more memory efficient, but it failed to render a lot of PDFs properly.
I eventually gave up and went back to Adobe's shitty software (which hogs memory and crashes a lot).
It's a tough choice to be honest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ubuntu comes with all kinds of shit that you don't want, but there's no other shit available, so you just use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu comes with all kinds of shit that you do n't want , but there 's no other shit available , so you just use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu comes with all kinds of shit that you don't want, but there's no other shit available, so you just use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913649</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29924933</id>
	<title>c4eb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256922240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My nomination would be IBM's internal image, the "Windows Client for eBusiness".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My nomination would be IBM 's internal image , the " Windows Client for eBusiness " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My nomination would be IBM's internal image, the "Windows Client for eBusiness".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913999</id>
	<title>I just bought an HP laptop</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1256844840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just bought an HP laptop, and these are the observations I have to make.</p><p>Bundled software isn't entirely bad. Bundled software that runs automatically <em>is</em>. I will disable this, although even so I might not uninstall it. The first thing I did was make the HP toolbar not run every time the computer boots up.</p><p>If it doesn't run automatically, and it performs some useful feature (DVD burning, for instance) which I'll probably use in the future, I'll leave it installed unless or until such a time comes where I try to use it and discover it doesn't work very well or there are better free alternatives. It's just taking disk space. I'm more concerned with RAM and processor use.</p><p>If it's something I'll never use, yeah, just uninstall it now.</p><p>However, all in all, it's a new computer, and I'm not at all worried about disk space yet. So as long as it's not running, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, in a few years I may begin to run low on disk space, but at that point I'll be better able to determine whether or not I actually need the software anyway &ndash; did I use it between now and then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just bought an HP laptop , and these are the observations I have to make.Bundled software is n't entirely bad .
Bundled software that runs automatically is .
I will disable this , although even so I might not uninstall it .
The first thing I did was make the HP toolbar not run every time the computer boots up.If it does n't run automatically , and it performs some useful feature ( DVD burning , for instance ) which I 'll probably use in the future , I 'll leave it installed unless or until such a time comes where I try to use it and discover it does n't work very well or there are better free alternatives .
It 's just taking disk space .
I 'm more concerned with RAM and processor use.If it 's something I 'll never use , yeah , just uninstall it now.However , all in all , it 's a new computer , and I 'm not at all worried about disk space yet .
So as long as it 's not running , I 'm not too worried about it .
Sure , in a few years I may begin to run low on disk space , but at that point I 'll be better able to determine whether or not I actually need the software anyway    did I use it between now and then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just bought an HP laptop, and these are the observations I have to make.Bundled software isn't entirely bad.
Bundled software that runs automatically is.
I will disable this, although even so I might not uninstall it.
The first thing I did was make the HP toolbar not run every time the computer boots up.If it doesn't run automatically, and it performs some useful feature (DVD burning, for instance) which I'll probably use in the future, I'll leave it installed unless or until such a time comes where I try to use it and discover it doesn't work very well or there are better free alternatives.
It's just taking disk space.
I'm more concerned with RAM and processor use.If it's something I'll never use, yeah, just uninstall it now.However, all in all, it's a new computer, and I'm not at all worried about disk space yet.
So as long as it's not running, I'm not too worried about it.
Sure, in a few years I may begin to run low on disk space, but at that point I'll be better able to determine whether or not I actually need the software anyway – did I use it between now and then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915419</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes the junk is part of a driver. E.g. intel graphics hkcmd.exe. Not exactly necessary unless you use the hot keys functionality.</p><p>Perhaps you would prefer the ATi drivers, with the control panel/tray icon etc. thoughtfully developed using<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET to ensure it will be as huge as possible.</p><p>Most sound drivers like to add their own startup program also. Guess what, sound still works without realtek soundman.exe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes the junk is part of a driver .
E.g. intel graphics hkcmd.exe .
Not exactly necessary unless you use the hot keys functionality.Perhaps you would prefer the ATi drivers , with the control panel/tray icon etc .
thoughtfully developed using .NET to ensure it will be as huge as possible.Most sound drivers like to add their own startup program also .
Guess what , sound still works without realtek soundman.exe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes the junk is part of a driver.
E.g. intel graphics hkcmd.exe.
Not exactly necessary unless you use the hot keys functionality.Perhaps you would prefer the ATi drivers, with the control panel/tray icon etc.
thoughtfully developed using .NET to ensure it will be as huge as possible.Most sound drivers like to add their own startup program also.
Guess what, sound still works without realtek soundman.exe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915839</id>
	<title>Lawsuit?</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1256809020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Generally speaking a computer that has (Windows + Crapware) != (Windows clean).  And many arguments can be made that (Windows + Crapware) is less valuable than a clean Windows install.</p><p>Has anyone sued a manufacturer for false advertising and/or fraud, because they advertise that the computers come with Windows, when in fact they're hobbled by coming with (Windows + Crapware)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Generally speaking a computer that has ( Windows + Crapware ) ! = ( Windows clean ) .
And many arguments can be made that ( Windows + Crapware ) is less valuable than a clean Windows install.Has anyone sued a manufacturer for false advertising and/or fraud , because they advertise that the computers come with Windows , when in fact they 're hobbled by coming with ( Windows + Crapware ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generally speaking a computer that has (Windows + Crapware) != (Windows clean).
And many arguments can be made that (Windows + Crapware) is less valuable than a clean Windows install.Has anyone sued a manufacturer for false advertising and/or fraud, because they advertise that the computers come with Windows, when in fact they're hobbled by coming with (Windows + Crapware)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913903</id>
	<title>Apple crapware?</title>
	<author>AlpineR</author>
	<datestamp>1256844420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am baffled by this paragraph from the Apple review:</p><blockquote><div><p>But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isnt available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.</p></div></blockquote><p>Are they complaining that the Mac can do some things that Windows can do too?  Are they ignoring nice features of iTunes like the Store, Genius, sharing, podcast subscriptions, and online radio?</p><p>And how exactly does iWork fail to compete with Microsoft Works? Keynote is great presentation software. Pages is a solid word processor / page layout application.  And Numbers can do common spreadsheet stuff. (Although its chart capabilities are pretty useless, at least in the '08 version I use.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am baffled by this paragraph from the Apple review : But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows ' offerings : media software offers little functionality that isnt available elsewhere , and Apple 's office applications ca n't compete with even Microsoft Works.Are they complaining that the Mac can do some things that Windows can do too ?
Are they ignoring nice features of iTunes like the Store , Genius , sharing , podcast subscriptions , and online radio ? And how exactly does iWork fail to compete with Microsoft Works ?
Keynote is great presentation software .
Pages is a solid word processor / page layout application .
And Numbers can do common spreadsheet stuff .
( Although its chart capabilities are pretty useless , at least in the '08 version I use .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am baffled by this paragraph from the Apple review:But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isnt available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.Are they complaining that the Mac can do some things that Windows can do too?
Are they ignoring nice features of iTunes like the Store, Genius, sharing, podcast subscriptions, and online radio?And how exactly does iWork fail to compete with Microsoft Works?
Keynote is great presentation software.
Pages is a solid word processor / page layout application.
And Numbers can do common spreadsheet stuff.
(Although its chart capabilities are pretty useless, at least in the '08 version I use.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916265</id>
	<title>Re:In Store Techs</title>
	<author>Bengie</author>
	<datestamp>1256810220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The nice thing about Win7/Vista is that all the versions of the OS are decided by the key used. This means I can take my copy of Win7/Vista  OEM install it on my mom's comp and use her key and it'll downgrade itself to whatever her key is. Since her HP doesn't come with a vanilla copy of windows, just a restore disc that includes all the crapware pre-installed, this is nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The nice thing about Win7/Vista is that all the versions of the OS are decided by the key used .
This means I can take my copy of Win7/Vista OEM install it on my mom 's comp and use her key and it 'll downgrade itself to whatever her key is .
Since her HP does n't come with a vanilla copy of windows , just a restore disc that includes all the crapware pre-installed , this is nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nice thing about Win7/Vista is that all the versions of the OS are decided by the key used.
This means I can take my copy of Win7/Vista  OEM install it on my mom's comp and use her key and it'll downgrade itself to whatever her key is.
Since her HP doesn't come with a vanilla copy of windows, just a restore disc that includes all the crapware pre-installed, this is nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29925311</id>
	<title>Re:Mac crapware</title>
	<author>Slime-dogg</author>
	<datestamp>1256923560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt; 2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.</p><p>Unfortunately, it does come with some crapware: iTunes</p></div><p>Which isn't running until you start it.</p><p>The point of the article was that the 'crapware' was only instances where the presence and loading of additional / unnecessary software causes a performance hit.  iTunes doesn't fall into this category.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 2 .
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Unfortunately , it does come with some crapware : iTunesWhich is n't running until you start it.The point of the article was that the 'crapware ' was only instances where the presence and loading of additional / unnecessary software causes a performance hit .
iTunes does n't fall into this category .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; 2.
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Unfortunately, it does come with some crapware: iTunesWhich isn't running until you start it.The point of the article was that the 'crapware' was only instances where the presence and loading of additional / unnecessary software causes a performance hit.
iTunes doesn't fall into this category.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914433</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1256846520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like you opted for the minimal install version</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you opted for the minimal install version</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you opted for the minimal install version</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916555</id>
	<title>Dell installed crapware on an Ubuntu system</title>
	<author>kseise</author>
	<datestamp>1256811300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Dell Mini 10v came preinstalled with Dell crapware including the yahoo toolbar for use inside of Firefox.  Firefox includes a search bar with Yahoo as an optional search provider.  Simply chaning the default search on their config would have been fine and gotten them cash from Yahoo, but NOOOOO, they installed the whole toobar.  On a netbook, an additional toolbar is pretty irritating.  I wiped the whole system and installed a clean Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it.  Now I am happy again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Dell Mini 10v came preinstalled with Dell crapware including the yahoo toolbar for use inside of Firefox .
Firefox includes a search bar with Yahoo as an optional search provider .
Simply chaning the default search on their config would have been fine and gotten them cash from Yahoo , but NOOOOO , they installed the whole toobar .
On a netbook , an additional toolbar is pretty irritating .
I wiped the whole system and installed a clean Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it .
Now I am happy again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Dell Mini 10v came preinstalled with Dell crapware including the yahoo toolbar for use inside of Firefox.
Firefox includes a search bar with Yahoo as an optional search provider.
Simply chaning the default search on their config would have been fine and gotten them cash from Yahoo, but NOOOOO, they installed the whole toobar.
On a netbook, an additional toolbar is pretty irritating.
I wiped the whole system and installed a clean Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it.
Now I am happy again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913863</id>
	<title>installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914797</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>M. Baranczak</author>
	<datestamp>1256848020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers</p></div><p>And I <i>still</i> can't run Internet Explorer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>two desktop environments , three word processors , four web browsers , and a whole bunch of image editors , system utilities , file managersAnd I still ca n't run Internet Explorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managersAnd I still can't run Internet Explorer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914715</id>
	<title>REFURBISHED Dell's are crapware free.</title>
	<author>GuyFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1256847660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the past year I have bought two Dell Studio 1737 laptops from <a href="http://www.uklaptops.co.uk/" title="uklaptops.co.uk">http://www.uklaptops.co.uk/</a> [uklaptops.co.uk]<br>(no relationship other than a happy customer)</p><p>The refurb industry is pretty much based upon new laptops "distance sold" that are returned to the vendor unused for various reasons.</p><p>The refurb companies of course do not have any deals with Adobe / Google etc, so you get a vanilla install of Windows (Vista Ultimate on both of my Studio's) plus of course the appropriate Dell drivers, and that's it.</p><p>The first thing I did was re-partition and do an dual boot install of OpenSuse (OpenSuse handles the 1920 x 1200 screens on the Studio better than any other distro).</p><p>This methods has got me two basically brand new Dells, with zero crapware, for slightly less than half Dell price, what's not to like?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the past year I have bought two Dell Studio 1737 laptops from http : //www.uklaptops.co.uk/ [ uklaptops.co.uk ] ( no relationship other than a happy customer ) The refurb industry is pretty much based upon new laptops " distance sold " that are returned to the vendor unused for various reasons.The refurb companies of course do not have any deals with Adobe / Google etc , so you get a vanilla install of Windows ( Vista Ultimate on both of my Studio 's ) plus of course the appropriate Dell drivers , and that 's it.The first thing I did was re-partition and do an dual boot install of OpenSuse ( OpenSuse handles the 1920 x 1200 screens on the Studio better than any other distro ) .This methods has got me two basically brand new Dells , with zero crapware , for slightly less than half Dell price , what 's not to like ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the past year I have bought two Dell Studio 1737 laptops from http://www.uklaptops.co.uk/ [uklaptops.co.uk](no relationship other than a happy customer)The refurb industry is pretty much based upon new laptops "distance sold" that are returned to the vendor unused for various reasons.The refurb companies of course do not have any deals with Adobe / Google etc, so you get a vanilla install of Windows (Vista Ultimate on both of my Studio's) plus of course the appropriate Dell drivers, and that's it.The first thing I did was re-partition and do an dual boot install of OpenSuse (OpenSuse handles the 1920 x 1200 screens on the Studio better than any other distro).This methods has got me two basically brand new Dells, with zero crapware, for slightly less than half Dell price, what's not to like?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914877</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>revengebomber</author>
	<datestamp>1256848380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then why is a Dell Mini 9 (or Vostro A90 is the new branding I think) with Windows XP and (presumably) a bunch of crapware $50 MORE than the one with Ubuntu? Wouldn't they be the same price if the crapware flattened out the windows license?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then why is a Dell Mini 9 ( or Vostro A90 is the new branding I think ) with Windows XP and ( presumably ) a bunch of crapware $ 50 MORE than the one with Ubuntu ?
Would n't they be the same price if the crapware flattened out the windows license ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then why is a Dell Mini 9 (or Vostro A90 is the new branding I think) with Windows XP and (presumably) a bunch of crapware $50 MORE than the one with Ubuntu?
Wouldn't they be the same price if the crapware flattened out the windows license?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914279</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1256845860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Have you ever used iWeb? iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.</p></div></blockquote><p>Seriously, you consider iDVD to be crapware? It's useful in making DVDs, my wife uses it all the time. Crapware is NOT things like WordPad (which according to you should be crapware because everyone buys Word anyway, right?), crapware is, <a href="http://www2.sandbox.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;defl=en&amp;q=define:Crapware&amp;ei=LeLpSsfrL4vgM7ncuCM&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary\_definition&amp;ct=title&amp;ved=0CAkQkAE" title="google.com">according to Google</a> [google.com]:</p><blockquote><div><p># Bundled software, commonly known as software bundles or bundleware, is the practice of including several related games or other software into a single package. Poor quality software bundles are usually referred to in a derogatory manner as shovelware.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crapware
</p><p>
# Software that is useless or of poor quality
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crapware
</p><p>
# Adware, Spyware, malware, browser hijackers, unwanted advertising popups that can appear even when not online.
www.aami.org/resources/glossaries/itworld/Glossary-C.html</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Apple does have nag/crapware (mobileme, Quicktime nagging, maybe iWeb) but it's miniscule compared to what you see on other manufacturers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever used iWeb ?
iDVD ? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end , more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.Seriously , you consider iDVD to be crapware ?
It 's useful in making DVDs , my wife uses it all the time .
Crapware is NOT things like WordPad ( which according to you should be crapware because everyone buys Word anyway , right ?
) , crapware is , according to Google [ google.com ] : # Bundled software , commonly known as software bundles or bundleware , is the practice of including several related games or other software into a single package .
Poor quality software bundles are usually referred to in a derogatory manner as shovelware .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crapware # Software that is useless or of poor quality en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crapware # Adware , Spyware , malware , browser hijackers , unwanted advertising popups that can appear even when not online .
www.aami.org/resources/glossaries/itworld/Glossary-C.html Apple does have nag/crapware ( mobileme , Quicktime nagging , maybe iWeb ) but it 's miniscule compared to what you see on other manufacturers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever used iWeb?
iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.Seriously, you consider iDVD to be crapware?
It's useful in making DVDs, my wife uses it all the time.
Crapware is NOT things like WordPad (which according to you should be crapware because everyone buys Word anyway, right?
), crapware is, according to Google [google.com]:# Bundled software, commonly known as software bundles or bundleware, is the practice of including several related games or other software into a single package.
Poor quality software bundles are usually referred to in a derogatory manner as shovelware.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crapware

# Software that is useless or of poor quality
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crapware

# Adware, Spyware, malware, browser hijackers, unwanted advertising popups that can appear even when not online.
www.aami.org/resources/glossaries/itworld/Glossary-C.html

Apple does have nag/crapware (mobileme, Quicktime nagging, maybe iWeb) but it's miniscule compared to what you see on other manufacturers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</id>
	<title>Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1256843760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you order a computer with OS installation media , do those CD 's / DVD 's install the crapware as well , or just the basic OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914265</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps you missed the part about 'leading laptop manufacturers'?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you missed the part about 'leading laptop manufacturers ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you missed the part about 'leading laptop manufacturers'?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917865</id>
	<title>types of crapware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256816700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My new laptop came with some strange apps.   Like, there's a "Frog Exaggerator" and a "Sarcasm Detector"..    the frog exaggerator is kind of cool, but, a sarcasm detector??   Yeah, that's a REALLY useful program!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My new laptop came with some strange apps .
Like , there 's a " Frog Exaggerator " and a " Sarcasm Detector " .. the frog exaggerator is kind of cool , but , a sarcasm detector ? ?
Yeah , that 's a REALLY useful program !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My new laptop came with some strange apps.
Like, there's a "Frog Exaggerator" and a "Sarcasm Detector"..    the frog exaggerator is kind of cool, but, a sarcasm detector??
Yeah, that's a REALLY useful program!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914739</id>
	<title>Just as useless even when it doesn't suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256847780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Crapware is just as useless, and even more frustrating, when it's something that's actually desirable. My Sony VAIO, for instance, came with the excellent (if a bit old) game <i>Age of Empires II</i> pre-installed amidst the Quicken trials and proprietary desktop-managing garbage. But hopefully you don't get too attached to the game -- since you never installed it, you can never reinstall it, so if the installation gets corrupted you can't fix it without nuking your whole system and using the factory restore disc. And if you need the disk space temporarily, good luck uninstalling it and then reinstalling later. Hell, you can't even move it to a different partition. You might as well not even have the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Crapware is just as useless , and even more frustrating , when it 's something that 's actually desirable .
My Sony VAIO , for instance , came with the excellent ( if a bit old ) game Age of Empires II pre-installed amidst the Quicken trials and proprietary desktop-managing garbage .
But hopefully you do n't get too attached to the game -- since you never installed it , you can never reinstall it , so if the installation gets corrupted you ca n't fix it without nuking your whole system and using the factory restore disc .
And if you need the disk space temporarily , good luck uninstalling it and then reinstalling later .
Hell , you ca n't even move it to a different partition .
You might as well not even have the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crapware is just as useless, and even more frustrating, when it's something that's actually desirable.
My Sony VAIO, for instance, came with the excellent (if a bit old) game Age of Empires II pre-installed amidst the Quicken trials and proprietary desktop-managing garbage.
But hopefully you don't get too attached to the game -- since you never installed it, you can never reinstall it, so if the installation gets corrupted you can't fix it without nuking your whole system and using the factory restore disc.
And if you need the disk space temporarily, good luck uninstalling it and then reinstalling later.
Hell, you can't even move it to a different partition.
You might as well not even have the game.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915933</id>
	<title>Evince Is available for windows</title>
	<author>tuppe666</author>
	<datestamp>1256809260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As of the latest Gnome release evince is available for windows <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Downloads" title="gnome.org" rel="nofollow">http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Downloads</a> [gnome.org]. I would suggest over foxit as it does not include bundelled rubbish...and allows cut and paste from PDF's.
<p>

Although having a PDF reader on any platform is a good idea. Having one that is removable is a good Idea. Personally I want the real option for IE and WMP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As of the latest Gnome release evince is available for windows http : //live.gnome.org/Evince/Downloads [ gnome.org ] .
I would suggest over foxit as it does not include bundelled rubbish...and allows cut and paste from PDF 's .
Although having a PDF reader on any platform is a good idea .
Having one that is removable is a good Idea .
Personally I want the real option for IE and WMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As of the latest Gnome release evince is available for windows http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Downloads [gnome.org].
I would suggest over foxit as it does not include bundelled rubbish...and allows cut and paste from PDF's.
Although having a PDF reader on any platform is a good idea.
Having one that is removable is a good Idea.
Personally I want the real option for IE and WMP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918631</id>
	<title>The article</title>
	<author>ThurstonMoore</author>
	<datestamp>1256821500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article had the worst navigation I have ever seen.  No next at the bottom of the screen?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article had the worst navigation I have ever seen .
No next at the bottom of the screen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article had the worst navigation I have ever seen.
No next at the bottom of the screen?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914261</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow.  that directly contradict <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1423783&amp;cid=29913493" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh well... At lest nobody else (that I know) is installing Abble crapware by default. The day some big name intalls iTunes, QuickTime, Safary or other Abble Supercrap, as default, that's the last day I buy such a brand for us.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
that directly contradict this [ slashdot.org ] .Oh well... At lest nobody else ( that I know ) is installing Abble crapware by default .
The day some big name intalls iTunes , QuickTime , Safary or other Abble Supercrap , as default , that 's the last day I buy such a brand for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
that directly contradict this [slashdot.org].Oh well... At lest nobody else (that I know) is installing Abble crapware by default.
The day some big name intalls iTunes, QuickTime, Safary or other Abble Supercrap, as default, that's the last day I buy such a brand for us.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916101</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Crapware isn't "anything that won't be used by 100\% of users." I'd say crapware is "software that was pre-installed, not because it was deemed to be the best for the user, but because the manufacturer was paid to put it on there."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Crapware is n't " anything that wo n't be used by 100 \ % of users .
" I 'd say crapware is " software that was pre-installed , not because it was deemed to be the best for the user , but because the manufacturer was paid to put it on there .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crapware isn't "anything that won't be used by 100\% of users.
" I'd say crapware is "software that was pre-installed, not because it was deemed to be the best for the user, but because the manufacturer was paid to put it on there.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914887</id>
	<title>HP printers</title>
	<author>br00tus</author>
	<datestamp>1256848440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I usually use Linux, but I have a Windows PC and have had to install the drivers for an HP printer/scanner on the Windows PC (in fact, I had to do this for someone else with an HP printer/scanner and Windows PC as well).  I know how to install a printer driver on Windows but know little about scanners, so I just let the HP CD install the drivers.  It literally took more than half an hour each time, I don't even remember how long it took, and I had to keep coming back and clicking "OK" for this or that.  It installed a ton of crap, photo-albums and other junk I will never use - I just use Gimp.  You'd think I was hooking my PC up to a satellite dish on the roof or something for how long it takes to connect a damned printer/scanner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually use Linux , but I have a Windows PC and have had to install the drivers for an HP printer/scanner on the Windows PC ( in fact , I had to do this for someone else with an HP printer/scanner and Windows PC as well ) .
I know how to install a printer driver on Windows but know little about scanners , so I just let the HP CD install the drivers .
It literally took more than half an hour each time , I do n't even remember how long it took , and I had to keep coming back and clicking " OK " for this or that .
It installed a ton of crap , photo-albums and other junk I will never use - I just use Gimp .
You 'd think I was hooking my PC up to a satellite dish on the roof or something for how long it takes to connect a damned printer/scanner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually use Linux, but I have a Windows PC and have had to install the drivers for an HP printer/scanner on the Windows PC (in fact, I had to do this for someone else with an HP printer/scanner and Windows PC as well).
I know how to install a printer driver on Windows but know little about scanners, so I just let the HP CD install the drivers.
It literally took more than half an hour each time, I don't even remember how long it took, and I had to keep coming back and clicking "OK" for this or that.
It installed a ton of crap, photo-albums and other junk I will never use - I just use Gimp.
You'd think I was hooking my PC up to a satellite dish on the roof or something for how long it takes to connect a damned printer/scanner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915753</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1256808540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With Gentoo on the other hand, the shit on your system is handpicked<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With Gentoo on the other hand , the shit on your system is handpicked ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Gentoo on the other hand, the shit on your system is handpicked ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914803</id>
	<title>That website is crapware</title>
	<author>FireballFreddy</author>
	<datestamp>1256848020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, navigating that story was absolutely painful.  Would it have been so difficult to add "Next" or an arrow or something so you could read it like, oh I don't know, an actual piece of news?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , navigating that story was absolutely painful .
Would it have been so difficult to add " Next " or an arrow or something so you could read it like , oh I do n't know , an actual piece of news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, navigating that story was absolutely painful.
Would it have been so difficult to add "Next" or an arrow or something so you could read it like, oh I don't know, an actual piece of news?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914979</id>
	<title>Re:PC Decrapifier</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256848800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the vendors should bundle this with their other crappwa<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh crap, never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the vendors should bundle this with their other crappwa ... oh crap , never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the vendors should bundle this with their other crappwa ... oh crap, never mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913763</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918517</id>
	<title>I never understood why...</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1256820900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never understood why computer sells found it necessary to make the computers they sell crappier before they sold it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never understood why computer sells found it necessary to make the computers they sell crappier before they sold it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never understood why computer sells found it necessary to make the computers they sell crappier before they sold it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914951</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1256848680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The IBM updater is great. One-click updating updates every device driver, updates your BIOS, updates firmware...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The IBM updater is great .
One-click updating updates every device driver , updates your BIOS , updates firmware.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The IBM updater is great.
One-click updating updates every device driver, updates your BIOS, updates firmware...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913827</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918939</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Fyzzler</author>
	<datestamp>1256822880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( <a href="http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/" title="foxitsoftware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/</a> [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.</p></div>
</blockquote><p> 
Open a pdf file in Adobe Reader and then open the same pdf in foxit reader and compare the text quality side by side and then tell me with a straight face that foxit is better.  Bonus points if you have astigmatism and presbiopia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http : //www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [ foxitsoftware.com ] ) against Adobe Reader , and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe 's version is better .
Open a pdf file in Adobe Reader and then open the same pdf in foxit reader and compare the text quality side by side and then tell me with a straight face that foxit is better .
Bonus points if you have astigmatism and presbiopia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.
Open a pdf file in Adobe Reader and then open the same pdf in foxit reader and compare the text quality side by side and then tell me with a straight face that foxit is better.
Bonus points if you have astigmatism and presbiopia.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914021</id>
	<title>Re:Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1256844840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on what brand you select. Some brands deliver with bloated installation CD:s others with relatively clean ones.</p><p>This is one of the reasons why people do go to great lengths to install cracked versions of the pure operating system - like XP or Win 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on what brand you select .
Some brands deliver with bloated installation CD : s others with relatively clean ones.This is one of the reasons why people do go to great lengths to install cracked versions of the pure operating system - like XP or Win 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on what brand you select.
Some brands deliver with bloated installation CD:s others with relatively clean ones.This is one of the reasons why people do go to great lengths to install cracked versions of the pure operating system - like XP or Win 7.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917287</id>
	<title>Dell works well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256814000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dell works very well in my book when I order from the Small Biz website and specify at order time to install no AV, no trials, no tools, etc.  I just received another laptop today and it had only 1 Dell-branded backup program to remove.  There were several Windows features I went ahead and killed (Live Essentials, Search, etc.) but I can understand not excluding those things.  It literally took me 15 minutes to strip the unnecessary, join the machine to our domain, install a couple of company-specific apps (AV, Citrix plugin), activate Office and it was good to roll out the door.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dell works very well in my book when I order from the Small Biz website and specify at order time to install no AV , no trials , no tools , etc .
I just received another laptop today and it had only 1 Dell-branded backup program to remove .
There were several Windows features I went ahead and killed ( Live Essentials , Search , etc .
) but I can understand not excluding those things .
It literally took me 15 minutes to strip the unnecessary , join the machine to our domain , install a couple of company-specific apps ( AV , Citrix plugin ) , activate Office and it was good to roll out the door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dell works very well in my book when I order from the Small Biz website and specify at order time to install no AV, no trials, no tools, etc.
I just received another laptop today and it had only 1 Dell-branded backup program to remove.
There were several Windows features I went ahead and killed (Live Essentials, Search, etc.
) but I can understand not excluding those things.
It literally took me 15 minutes to strip the unnecessary, join the machine to our domain, install a couple of company-specific apps (AV, Citrix plugin), activate Office and it was good to roll out the door.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917299</id>
	<title>Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256814060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is incorrect. Pretty much every company offers "windows and drivers only" versions. Just buy the business versions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is incorrect .
Pretty much every company offers " windows and drivers only " versions .
Just buy the business versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is incorrect.
Pretty much every company offers "windows and drivers only" versions.
Just buy the business versions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920329</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://crosstechnical.net/index/making\_users\_think\_firefox\_is\_ie6" title="crosstechnical.net" rel="nofollow">http://crosstechnical.net/index/making\_users\_think\_firefox\_is\_ie6</a> [crosstechnical.net] - This will show you how to make Firefox look like IE6... Good luck?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //crosstechnical.net/index/making \ _users \ _think \ _firefox \ _is \ _ie6 [ crosstechnical.net ] - This will show you how to make Firefox look like IE6... Good luck ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://crosstechnical.net/index/making\_users\_think\_firefox\_is\_ie6 [crosstechnical.net] - This will show you how to make Firefox look like IE6... Good luck?
:P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915685</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1256808180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many, many commands (programs) in the bash shell that I've never used- probably I never will. And the same goes for the programs in various (gui) linux distros.</p><p>But all that is beside the point since tfa was about oem's installing crap over the standard windows install; since apple is their own hardware supplier, it's hard to draw a line between MS shipping with IE and then Dell adding google desktop vs apple shipping with both safari and spotlight to begin with.</p><p>My definition of crapware is software that starts at boot or login, which wastes my time, and (especially) trials that pop up reminders unbidden. Antivirus is terrible for this. In that respect, apple does so-so: nothing except finder, daemons, and a 'would you like to tour os x' stuff starts on login , although in all honesty startup is slowed tremendously by the slow-ass HDD's apple uses in even their pro lineup.</p><p>One thing I would like to add here is that one time when i bough a mac mini for a friend from best buy, it came loaded with a bunch of best buy crapware loaded on it. I still don't know to this day if that is stand from BB or if I somehow ended up with a display mode. Either way, I had to reinstall os x twice to get it all off (the first time I messed up and chose upgrade or something instead of wiping the drive).</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many , many commands ( programs ) in the bash shell that I 've never used- probably I never will .
And the same goes for the programs in various ( gui ) linux distros.But all that is beside the point since tfa was about oem 's installing crap over the standard windows install ; since apple is their own hardware supplier , it 's hard to draw a line between MS shipping with IE and then Dell adding google desktop vs apple shipping with both safari and spotlight to begin with.My definition of crapware is software that starts at boot or login , which wastes my time , and ( especially ) trials that pop up reminders unbidden .
Antivirus is terrible for this .
In that respect , apple does so-so : nothing except finder , daemons , and a 'would you like to tour os x ' stuff starts on login , although in all honesty startup is slowed tremendously by the slow-ass HDD 's apple uses in even their pro lineup.One thing I would like to add here is that one time when i bough a mac mini for a friend from best buy , it came loaded with a bunch of best buy crapware loaded on it .
I still do n't know to this day if that is stand from BB or if I somehow ended up with a display mode .
Either way , I had to reinstall os x twice to get it all off ( the first time I messed up and chose upgrade or something instead of wiping the drive ) .-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many, many commands (programs) in the bash shell that I've never used- probably I never will.
And the same goes for the programs in various (gui) linux distros.But all that is beside the point since tfa was about oem's installing crap over the standard windows install; since apple is their own hardware supplier, it's hard to draw a line between MS shipping with IE and then Dell adding google desktop vs apple shipping with both safari and spotlight to begin with.My definition of crapware is software that starts at boot or login, which wastes my time, and (especially) trials that pop up reminders unbidden.
Antivirus is terrible for this.
In that respect, apple does so-so: nothing except finder, daemons, and a 'would you like to tour os x' stuff starts on login , although in all honesty startup is slowed tremendously by the slow-ass HDD's apple uses in even their pro lineup.One thing I would like to add here is that one time when i bough a mac mini for a friend from best buy, it came loaded with a bunch of best buy crapware loaded on it.
I still don't know to this day if that is stand from BB or if I somehow ended up with a display mode.
Either way, I had to reinstall os x twice to get it all off (the first time I messed up and chose upgrade or something instead of wiping the drive).-b</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915363</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1256807040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it doesn't auto-start then why should they pay a kick-back to the PC manufacturer?</p><p>What, you think that software gets on those PC's out of the kindness of the manufacturer's heart? It's a shameless cash grab. Of course manufacturers will argue that this helps offset the price of computers which otherwise would be more expensive blah blah blah it's completely untrue because competition would still help keep prices down - but who can say no to "free" money. They have to image the hard drives anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it does n't auto-start then why should they pay a kick-back to the PC manufacturer ? What , you think that software gets on those PC 's out of the kindness of the manufacturer 's heart ?
It 's a shameless cash grab .
Of course manufacturers will argue that this helps offset the price of computers which otherwise would be more expensive blah blah blah it 's completely untrue because competition would still help keep prices down - but who can say no to " free " money .
They have to image the hard drives anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it doesn't auto-start then why should they pay a kick-back to the PC manufacturer?What, you think that software gets on those PC's out of the kindness of the manufacturer's heart?
It's a shameless cash grab.
Of course manufacturers will argue that this helps offset the price of computers which otherwise would be more expensive blah blah blah it's completely untrue because competition would still help keep prices down - but who can say no to "free" money.
They have to image the hard drives anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918359</id>
	<title>Re:Mac crapware</title>
	<author>Phleg</author>
	<datestamp>1256819760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, you hate iTunes. So drag it to the Trash and it's gone. Totally.</p><p>Find me an uninstall process that simple for anything bundled with your PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , you hate iTunes .
So drag it to the Trash and it 's gone .
Totally.Find me an uninstall process that simple for anything bundled with your PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, you hate iTunes.
So drag it to the Trash and it's gone.
Totally.Find me an uninstall process that simple for anything bundled with your PC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913971</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916527</id>
	<title>roundtop-vjas</title>
	<author>RoundTop-VJAS</author>
	<datestamp>1256811180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why I love my LG laptop &amp; netbook.  0 crapware.  Heck, if you want the LG utilities beyond the basic drivers you have to load them yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I love my LG laptop &amp; netbook .
0 crapware .
Heck , if you want the LG utilities beyond the basic drivers you have to load them yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I love my LG laptop &amp; netbook.
0 crapware.
Heck, if you want the LG utilities beyond the basic drivers you have to load them yourself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917045</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256813040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used Foxit Reader for a couple of years (since I discovered it), but at one moment this summer, it just couldn't cope with a certain PDF, so I was forced to install Adobe Reader. I was amazed how fast it was (and I have very bad memories of previous versions, that's why I was one of early adopters of Foxit), so that in fact, I decided to keep it and use it instead of Foxit.<br>Plus it has better full screen mode, which is important when reading books on my netbook.</p><p>I'm just sayin' - the last version of Adobe Reader is actually pretty fast, at least compared to older ones... And I don't feel it's much slower than Foxit now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used Foxit Reader for a couple of years ( since I discovered it ) , but at one moment this summer , it just could n't cope with a certain PDF , so I was forced to install Adobe Reader .
I was amazed how fast it was ( and I have very bad memories of previous versions , that 's why I was one of early adopters of Foxit ) , so that in fact , I decided to keep it and use it instead of Foxit.Plus it has better full screen mode , which is important when reading books on my netbook.I 'm just sayin ' - the last version of Adobe Reader is actually pretty fast , at least compared to older ones... And I do n't feel it 's much slower than Foxit now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used Foxit Reader for a couple of years (since I discovered it), but at one moment this summer, it just couldn't cope with a certain PDF, so I was forced to install Adobe Reader.
I was amazed how fast it was (and I have very bad memories of previous versions, that's why I was one of early adopters of Foxit), so that in fact, I decided to keep it and use it instead of Foxit.Plus it has better full screen mode, which is important when reading books on my netbook.I'm just sayin' - the last version of Adobe Reader is actually pretty fast, at least compared to older ones... And I don't feel it's much slower than Foxit now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918255</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>jpmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1256819220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ubuntu's crapware is epic. Take Evolution, for example. I never use Evolution, and I always want to get rid of it on a fresh install. But you try removing it on Ubuntu without jumping through a ton of hoops, and apt will happily annihilate your install. Same with all the crap they decide to install by default. It's a complete abuse of the package dependency system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu 's crapware is epic .
Take Evolution , for example .
I never use Evolution , and I always want to get rid of it on a fresh install .
But you try removing it on Ubuntu without jumping through a ton of hoops , and apt will happily annihilate your install .
Same with all the crap they decide to install by default .
It 's a complete abuse of the package dependency system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu's crapware is epic.
Take Evolution, for example.
I never use Evolution, and I always want to get rid of it on a fresh install.
But you try removing it on Ubuntu without jumping through a ton of hoops, and apt will happily annihilate your install.
Same with all the crap they decide to install by default.
It's a complete abuse of the package dependency system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( <a href="http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/" title="foxitsoftware.com">http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/</a> [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better. And if you leave Windows-land and get to Linux, then there's options like evince which are also significantly better than Adobe's offering.</p><p>And honestly, the only reason that Flash is installed on my computer at all is for YouTube. If I had a choice in the matter, I wouldn't have that load of crap at all... more often than not, it's used for intrusive ads on websites, not anything of actual value. (gawd, I hate surfing at work, where I am in serious hock if I'm caught using anything other than MSIE 6.0... *shudder*)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http : //www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [ foxitsoftware.com ] ) against Adobe Reader , and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe 's version is better .
And if you leave Windows-land and get to Linux , then there 's options like evince which are also significantly better than Adobe 's offering.And honestly , the only reason that Flash is installed on my computer at all is for YouTube .
If I had a choice in the matter , I would n't have that load of crap at all... more often than not , it 's used for intrusive ads on websites , not anything of actual value .
( gawd , I hate surfing at work , where I am in serious hock if I 'm caught using anything other than MSIE 6.0... * shudder * )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare the performance of something like FoxIt PDF Reader ( http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/ [foxitsoftware.com] ) against Adobe Reader, and then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.
And if you leave Windows-land and get to Linux, then there's options like evince which are also significantly better than Adobe's offering.And honestly, the only reason that Flash is installed on my computer at all is for YouTube.
If I had a choice in the matter, I wouldn't have that load of crap at all... more often than not, it's used for intrusive ads on websites, not anything of actual value.
(gawd, I hate surfing at work, where I am in serious hock if I'm caught using anything other than MSIE 6.0... *shudder*)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920415</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>dlgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256835120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to mention the hard drive autoprotection system which used the accelerometer to park the drive heads if the laptop got knocked around. Very useful to keep running....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the hard drive autoprotection system which used the accelerometer to park the drive heads if the laptop got knocked around .
Very useful to keep running... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the hard drive autoprotection system which used the accelerometer to park the drive heads if the laptop got knocked around.
Very useful to keep running....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913827</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914471</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe Reader is crapware. It's a bloated POS. Getting the job done? Foxit or another small footprint, fast loading program would be getting the job done.</p><p>Flashplayer is something the user should install on their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe Reader is crapware .
It 's a bloated POS .
Getting the job done ?
Foxit or another small footprint , fast loading program would be getting the job done.Flashplayer is something the user should install on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe Reader is crapware.
It's a bloated POS.
Getting the job done?
Foxit or another small footprint, fast loading program would be getting the job done.Flashplayer is something the user should install on their own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913753</id>
	<title>Opt-out?</title>
	<author>Pretbek</author>
	<datestamp>1256843880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be great to be able to opt-out of the crapware. I understand, the trial-ware and that kind of third party stuff generates income for the PC company, but I can imagine they lose some PC sales entirely, by bogging the PC down so much right from the start.

Even the proprietary software that is well-meant and supposed to be helpful tips the scales to the side of inconvenience, when you take into account the long startup time and resources taken because of it.


I realise this post is aimed at those who are bothered by the crapware and know the PC could do much better without, but are unwilling/unable to quickly and easily change that themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be great to be able to opt-out of the crapware .
I understand , the trial-ware and that kind of third party stuff generates income for the PC company , but I can imagine they lose some PC sales entirely , by bogging the PC down so much right from the start .
Even the proprietary software that is well-meant and supposed to be helpful tips the scales to the side of inconvenience , when you take into account the long startup time and resources taken because of it .
I realise this post is aimed at those who are bothered by the crapware and know the PC could do much better without , but are unwilling/unable to quickly and easily change that themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be great to be able to opt-out of the crapware.
I understand, the trial-ware and that kind of third party stuff generates income for the PC company, but I can imagine they lose some PC sales entirely, by bogging the PC down so much right from the start.
Even the proprietary software that is well-meant and supposed to be helpful tips the scales to the side of inconvenience, when you take into account the long startup time and resources taken because of it.
I realise this post is aimed at those who are bothered by the crapware and know the PC could do much better without, but are unwilling/unable to quickly and easily change that themselves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914767</id>
	<title>Download Microsoft "autorun" and turn stuff off</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1256847900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx" title="microsoft.com">Autorun</a> [microsoft.com], by Mark Russinovich at Microsoft, gives you a complete checklist of everything that's started at bootup or login.  With checkboxes that turn it off. This is worth running just to see what's in there.  You may turn too much off and break something, but you can run Autorun again and turn it back on.
</p><p>
There's plenty of stuff worth turning off, like those useless programs that keep polling to see if Adobe Acrobat or Sun Java came out with a new version.  Some of those programs are too aggressive, too. Adobe's poller seems to try to re-associate PDF files with Acrobat, after I'd changed the ".pdf" association to launch Sumatra PDF.
</p><p>
It's annoying that even legitimate updaters seldom schedule themselves as periodic tasks, which Windows does well and which have no overhead when they're not running.  No, they have to have their own little executable in memory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Autorun [ microsoft.com ] , by Mark Russinovich at Microsoft , gives you a complete checklist of everything that 's started at bootup or login .
With checkboxes that turn it off .
This is worth running just to see what 's in there .
You may turn too much off and break something , but you can run Autorun again and turn it back on .
There 's plenty of stuff worth turning off , like those useless programs that keep polling to see if Adobe Acrobat or Sun Java came out with a new version .
Some of those programs are too aggressive , too .
Adobe 's poller seems to try to re-associate PDF files with Acrobat , after I 'd changed the " .pdf " association to launch Sumatra PDF .
It 's annoying that even legitimate updaters seldom schedule themselves as periodic tasks , which Windows does well and which have no overhead when they 're not running .
No , they have to have their own little executable in memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Autorun [microsoft.com], by Mark Russinovich at Microsoft, gives you a complete checklist of everything that's started at bootup or login.
With checkboxes that turn it off.
This is worth running just to see what's in there.
You may turn too much off and break something, but you can run Autorun again and turn it back on.
There's plenty of stuff worth turning off, like those useless programs that keep polling to see if Adobe Acrobat or Sun Java came out with a new version.
Some of those programs are too aggressive, too.
Adobe's poller seems to try to re-associate PDF files with Acrobat, after I'd changed the ".pdf" association to launch Sumatra PDF.
It's annoying that even legitimate updaters seldom schedule themselves as periodic tasks, which Windows does well and which have no overhead when they're not running.
No, they have to have their own little executable in memory.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29925373</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Slime-dogg</author>
	<datestamp>1256923800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.</p></div><p>You must have missed the article that compared Mac hardware prices to equivalent hardware from Dell, Sony, and a few others.  Mac isn't more expensive for the same hardware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.You must have missed the article that compared Mac hardware prices to equivalent hardware from Dell , Sony , and a few others .
Mac is n't more expensive for the same hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.You must have missed the article that compared Mac hardware prices to equivalent hardware from Dell, Sony, and a few others.
Mac isn't more expensive for the same hardware.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913675</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915543</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe Reader is crapware.</p><p>There are two well known alternatives of decreasing footprint, FoxIt Reader (which is about as bloated as Acrobat Reader 6), and SumatraPDF, which is tiny, fast and, feature light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe Reader is crapware.There are two well known alternatives of decreasing footprint , FoxIt Reader ( which is about as bloated as Acrobat Reader 6 ) , and SumatraPDF , which is tiny , fast and , feature light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe Reader is crapware.There are two well known alternatives of decreasing footprint, FoxIt Reader (which is about as bloated as Acrobat Reader 6), and SumatraPDF, which is tiny, fast and, feature light.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913869</id>
	<title>iWork vs. MS Works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTFA: <p><div class="quote"><p>But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isn't available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.</p></div><p>I wonder if they've ever used the iWork suite? It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do. I know this by the number of students I have to instruct to save their MS Works documents as RTFs so their instructors can view their papers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows ' offerings : media software offers little functionality that is n't available elsewhere , and Apple 's office applications ca n't compete with even Microsoft Works.I wonder if they 've ever used the iWork suite ?
It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications , which is something MS Works apparently ca n't do .
I know this by the number of students I have to instruct to save their MS Works documents as RTFs so their instructors can view their papers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA: But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isn't available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.I wonder if they've ever used the iWork suite?
It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do.
I know this by the number of students I have to instruct to save their MS Works documents as RTFs so their instructors can view their papers.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917327</id>
	<title>PC Pro extends the experience online</title>
	<author>MMInterface</author>
	<datestamp>1256814180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ironic thing about this story is their website provides a seamless experience for the user by mimicking the behavior of PC crapware on their website.

I appreciate the sentiment of the article and many of the other like minded articles on the internet. Now if only those content providers would look to their own products (their website) and rid them of at least some of the crap that they bundle with their products. All the obtrusive advertising, animations, and especially the full page or layered adds are just as bad in almost every way that the crapware installed by PC OEMs is. And likewise, there are tools for removing or blocking this garbage, a process which degrades the user experience. In addition, the excuse is the same, the product wouldn't be possible or free without ads. Fine but have some restraint. The homepage alone has at least 6 animated adds and the entire background is a Dell add.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ironic thing about this story is their website provides a seamless experience for the user by mimicking the behavior of PC crapware on their website .
I appreciate the sentiment of the article and many of the other like minded articles on the internet .
Now if only those content providers would look to their own products ( their website ) and rid them of at least some of the crap that they bundle with their products .
All the obtrusive advertising , animations , and especially the full page or layered adds are just as bad in almost every way that the crapware installed by PC OEMs is .
And likewise , there are tools for removing or blocking this garbage , a process which degrades the user experience .
In addition , the excuse is the same , the product would n't be possible or free without ads .
Fine but have some restraint .
The homepage alone has at least 6 animated adds and the entire background is a Dell add .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ironic thing about this story is their website provides a seamless experience for the user by mimicking the behavior of PC crapware on their website.
I appreciate the sentiment of the article and many of the other like minded articles on the internet.
Now if only those content providers would look to their own products (their website) and rid them of at least some of the crap that they bundle with their products.
All the obtrusive advertising, animations, and especially the full page or layered adds are just as bad in almost every way that the crapware installed by PC OEMs is.
And likewise, there are tools for removing or blocking this garbage, a process which degrades the user experience.
In addition, the excuse is the same, the product wouldn't be possible or free without ads.
Fine but have some restraint.
The homepage alone has at least 6 animated adds and the entire background is a Dell add.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919083</id>
	<title>PC Decrapifier</title>
	<author>sunwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256823840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised the <a href="http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/" title="pcdecrapifier.com" rel="nofollow">PC Decrapfier</a> [pcdecrapifier.com] didn't make it on their list of cleanup apps.  I haven't used it in a while (haven't had the money to buy a new computer), but it has served me well in the past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised the PC Decrapfier [ pcdecrapifier.com ] did n't make it on their list of cleanup apps .
I have n't used it in a while ( have n't had the money to buy a new computer ) , but it has served me well in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised the PC Decrapfier [pcdecrapifier.com] didn't make it on their list of cleanup apps.
I haven't used it in a while (haven't had the money to buy a new computer), but it has served me well in the past.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914777</id>
	<title>Re:Crapware, you say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256847960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>urcool!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>urcool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>urcool!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913763</id>
	<title>PC Decrapifier</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1256843880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best one is not mentioned in the crappy article:
<a href="http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/" title="pcdecrapifier.com">http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/</a> [pcdecrapifier.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best one is not mentioned in the crappy article : http : //www.pcdecrapifier.com/ [ pcdecrapifier.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best one is not mentioned in the crappy article:
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ [pcdecrapifier.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1256844240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe Reader, and Adobe FlashPlayer isn't crap where. It makes sure you can actually do things that for some reason windows doesn't do nativly.  Such as Read PDF files and open Flash WebSites. Relatively common things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe Reader , and Adobe FlashPlayer is n't crap where .
It makes sure you can actually do things that for some reason windows does n't do nativly .
Such as Read PDF files and open Flash WebSites .
Relatively common things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe Reader, and Adobe FlashPlayer isn't crap where.
It makes sure you can actually do things that for some reason windows doesn't do nativly.
Such as Read PDF files and open Flash WebSites.
Relatively common things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913493</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29942742</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257102180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is crazy and simply wrong.  Quicktime/iTunes, it's the same things since you get the same gigantic package either way, is the single most bloated piece of software available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is crazy and simply wrong .
Quicktime/iTunes , it 's the same things since you get the same gigantic package either way , is the single most bloated piece of software available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is crazy and simply wrong.
Quicktime/iTunes, it's the same things since you get the same gigantic package either way, is the single most bloated piece of software available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914993</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>RedBear</author>
	<datestamp>1256848800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why the hell is the parent modded as +5, Funny? I don't think it was meant as a joke and I was going to make the same comment myself.</p><p>Like it or not, most end users in the business world need to be able to open PDF files and use websites that have Flash interfaces, neither of which Windows will do on its own. Installing Acrobat Reader and updating Flash Player to the latest version is one of the main things I do on any office machine I hand out. Sure, they are minor security risks, but I don't understand why anyone would call them crapware, as opposed to all the bizarre manufacturer-specific pop-up control panels and buggy trial security software that is constantly running in the system tray. That's the stuff we're talking about as crapware, not common add-ons like PDF and Flash that are just applications that run when you need them. And like the parent said, PDF and Flash are pretty common things, regardless of anyone's opinions on the need for Flash for any specific purpose.</p><p>The modding of the parent as funny makes absolutely no sense to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell is the parent modded as + 5 , Funny ?
I do n't think it was meant as a joke and I was going to make the same comment myself.Like it or not , most end users in the business world need to be able to open PDF files and use websites that have Flash interfaces , neither of which Windows will do on its own .
Installing Acrobat Reader and updating Flash Player to the latest version is one of the main things I do on any office machine I hand out .
Sure , they are minor security risks , but I do n't understand why anyone would call them crapware , as opposed to all the bizarre manufacturer-specific pop-up control panels and buggy trial security software that is constantly running in the system tray .
That 's the stuff we 're talking about as crapware , not common add-ons like PDF and Flash that are just applications that run when you need them .
And like the parent said , PDF and Flash are pretty common things , regardless of anyone 's opinions on the need for Flash for any specific purpose.The modding of the parent as funny makes absolutely no sense to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell is the parent modded as +5, Funny?
I don't think it was meant as a joke and I was going to make the same comment myself.Like it or not, most end users in the business world need to be able to open PDF files and use websites that have Flash interfaces, neither of which Windows will do on its own.
Installing Acrobat Reader and updating Flash Player to the latest version is one of the main things I do on any office machine I hand out.
Sure, they are minor security risks, but I don't understand why anyone would call them crapware, as opposed to all the bizarre manufacturer-specific pop-up control panels and buggy trial security software that is constantly running in the system tray.
That's the stuff we're talking about as crapware, not common add-ons like PDF and Flash that are just applications that run when you need them.
And like the parent said, PDF and Flash are pretty common things, regardless of anyone's opinions on the need for Flash for any specific purpose.The modding of the parent as funny makes absolutely no sense to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916701</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1256811780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The reason is mostly because the law says they can't.</p></div><p>That's not true. MS is agressive about moving into fields when it threatens their business, when it is a significant part of a users' workflow and would threaten their Windows as top dog if it were multiplatform. So far this has been :</p><p>* office productivity software : dominated<br>* browsers : dominated<br>* media delivery: FAIL, lost to Apple<br>* internet mutimedia: FAIL, lost to Adobe<br>* internet advertising : FAIL, lost to Google<br>* mobile OS : FAIL(ing), lost to RIM, Apple</p><p>But as you see they've actually been on quite the losing streak. Regarding those adobe products they could probably care less about PDF's, but losing out to Flash was a big failure for company with a strong pedigree in development tools. All those failures were despite them challenging anti trust regulations all over the world, they are just plain behind the curve.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason is mostly because the law says they ca n't.That 's not true .
MS is agressive about moving into fields when it threatens their business , when it is a significant part of a users ' workflow and would threaten their Windows as top dog if it were multiplatform .
So far this has been : * office productivity software : dominated * browsers : dominated * media delivery : FAIL , lost to Apple * internet mutimedia : FAIL , lost to Adobe * internet advertising : FAIL , lost to Google * mobile OS : FAIL ( ing ) , lost to RIM , AppleBut as you see they 've actually been on quite the losing streak .
Regarding those adobe products they could probably care less about PDF 's , but losing out to Flash was a big failure for company with a strong pedigree in development tools .
All those failures were despite them challenging anti trust regulations all over the world , they are just plain behind the curve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason is mostly because the law says they can't.That's not true.
MS is agressive about moving into fields when it threatens their business, when it is a significant part of a users' workflow and would threaten their Windows as top dog if it were multiplatform.
So far this has been :* office productivity software : dominated* browsers : dominated* media delivery: FAIL, lost to Apple* internet mutimedia: FAIL, lost to Adobe* internet advertising : FAIL, lost to Google* mobile OS : FAIL(ing), lost to RIM, AppleBut as you see they've actually been on quite the losing streak.
Regarding those adobe products they could probably care less about PDF's, but losing out to Flash was a big failure for company with a strong pedigree in development tools.
All those failures were despite them challenging anti trust regulations all over the world, they are just plain behind the curve.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914175</id>
	<title>Re:Tough discussion..</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256845440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ten minutes!? My upgrade took 5 hours!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ten minutes ! ?
My upgrade took 5 hours !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ten minutes!?
My upgrade took 5 hours!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914947</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1256848680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flash I will give you but I avoid Adobe Reader when I can. Foxit reader does the job for me and is lighter and faster.<br>I also question why Chrome is crapware? It is a good browser and easy to uninstall if you don't want it.<br>Toolbars? yea I hate them.<br>Trailware? Okay let me install them if I want but leave it off other wise.<br>I have no problem with preinstalled software if I can uninstall it cleanly. I would prefere a DVD of good software that I could pick and choose from to make my system useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flash I will give you but I avoid Adobe Reader when I can .
Foxit reader does the job for me and is lighter and faster.I also question why Chrome is crapware ?
It is a good browser and easy to uninstall if you do n't want it.Toolbars ?
yea I hate them.Trailware ?
Okay let me install them if I want but leave it off other wise.I have no problem with preinstalled software if I can uninstall it cleanly .
I would prefere a DVD of good software that I could pick and choose from to make my system useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flash I will give you but I avoid Adobe Reader when I can.
Foxit reader does the job for me and is lighter and faster.I also question why Chrome is crapware?
It is a good browser and easy to uninstall if you don't want it.Toolbars?
yea I hate them.Trailware?
Okay let me install them if I want but leave it off other wise.I have no problem with preinstalled software if I can uninstall it cleanly.
I would prefere a DVD of good software that I could pick and choose from to make my system useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913971</id>
	<title>Mac crapware</title>
	<author>edxwelch</author>
	<datestamp>1256844720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; 2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.</p><p>Unfortunately, it does come with some crapware: iTunes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 2 .
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Unfortunately , it does come with some crapware : iTunes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; 2.
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Unfortunately, it does come with some crapware: iTunes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913547</id>
	<title>no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>postmortem</author>
	<datestamp>1256843100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I build my own and install vanilla Windows, but sh** has hit the fan long time ago.</p><p>This plus anti virus software resource hogs makes windows experience horrible on a brand new computer.</p><p>Not a single manufacturer offers option "windows and drivers only".</p><p>In other words, you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I build my own and install vanilla Windows , but sh * * has hit the fan long time ago.This plus anti virus software resource hogs makes windows experience horrible on a brand new computer.Not a single manufacturer offers option " windows and drivers only " .In other words , you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I build my own and install vanilla Windows, but sh** has hit the fan long time ago.This plus anti virus software resource hogs makes windows experience horrible on a brand new computer.Not a single manufacturer offers option "windows and drivers only".In other words, you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915321</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Bigbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1256806860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately for us, O'Reilly's revamped Safari site is now all Flash. It didn't work on the previous Ubuntu version but it does work on 9.10 (as I just discovered).</p><p>Another unfortunately "feature" of Safari is that they have folders now where you can store books however on the mobile access, you only have access to the first, default folder. The others are disabled. That sucks too.</p><p>[John]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately for us , O'Reilly 's revamped Safari site is now all Flash .
It did n't work on the previous Ubuntu version but it does work on 9.10 ( as I just discovered ) .Another unfortunately " feature " of Safari is that they have folders now where you can store books however on the mobile access , you only have access to the first , default folder .
The others are disabled .
That sucks too .
[ John ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately for us, O'Reilly's revamped Safari site is now all Flash.
It didn't work on the previous Ubuntu version but it does work on 9.10 (as I just discovered).Another unfortunately "feature" of Safari is that they have folders now where you can store books however on the mobile access, you only have access to the first, default folder.
The others are disabled.
That sucks too.
[John]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913625</id>
	<title>Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>Meshach</author>
	<datestamp>1256843340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is unfortunate but this is how PC manufacturers make most of there money.<br> <br>
Here we say "just build your own" but to most of the world that is not an option.  They have no choice but ot buy a pre-build system and manufacturers have realized that.  People will be pissed off if you laden their machine with malware but they will not stop buying it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is unfortunate but this is how PC manufacturers make most of there money .
Here we say " just build your own " but to most of the world that is not an option .
They have no choice but ot buy a pre-build system and manufacturers have realized that .
People will be pissed off if you laden their machine with malware but they will not stop buying it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is unfortunate but this is how PC manufacturers make most of there money.
Here we say "just build your own" but to most of the world that is not an option.
They have no choice but ot buy a pre-build system and manufacturers have realized that.
People will be pissed off if you laden their machine with malware but they will not stop buying it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922025</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1256903760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do not need to. I know of no distro that installs two heavy desktop environments by default, although I think some install a lightweight alternative by default. This uses a minimal amount of hard drive space, and no other resources. I can think of none that install that many word processors and web browsers by default/</p><p><div class="quote"><p>a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff</p></div><p>Would you never find a use for all that. Crapware, is stuff you do not want, like toolbars, limited tiem trial software, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do not need to .
I know of no distro that installs two heavy desktop environments by default , although I think some install a lightweight alternative by default .
This uses a minimal amount of hard drive space , and no other resources .
I can think of none that install that many word processors and web browsers by default/a whole bunch of image editors , system utilities , file managers , and other stuffWould you never find a use for all that .
Crapware , is stuff you do not want , like toolbars , limited tiem trial software , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do not need to.
I know of no distro that installs two heavy desktop environments by default, although I think some install a lightweight alternative by default.
This uses a minimal amount of hard drive space, and no other resources.
I can think of none that install that many word processors and web browsers by default/a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuffWould you never find a use for all that.
Crapware, is stuff you do not want, like toolbars, limited tiem trial software, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914195</id>
	<title>Re:I just bought an HP laptop</title>
	<author>grasshoppa</author>
	<datestamp>1256845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is not a disk space issue.  Rather, this software tends to be crappy at best.  I'm worried about the shit it leaves behind when you uninstall it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not a disk space issue .
Rather , this software tends to be crappy at best .
I 'm worried about the shit it leaves behind when you uninstall it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not a disk space issue.
Rather, this software tends to be crappy at best.
I'm worried about the shit it leaves behind when you uninstall it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914649</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>bigtoy</author>
	<datestamp>1256847420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD, </p></div><p>I don't buy it.</p><p>The vendors are selling these computers for a profit even without the operating system installed.    The manufacturer does not install the crapware unless they actually believe it is a benefit to the consumer, or they are getting their palms greased (more likely).</p><p>I would be very surprised if any of the money that the manufacturer gets from the crapware vendors is used to reduce the cost of the box.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These computers would cost a lot more money if they did n't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD , I do n't buy it.The vendors are selling these computers for a profit even without the operating system installed .
The manufacturer does not install the crapware unless they actually believe it is a benefit to the consumer , or they are getting their palms greased ( more likely ) .I would be very surprised if any of the money that the manufacturer gets from the crapware vendors is used to reduce the cost of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD, I don't buy it.The vendors are selling these computers for a profit even without the operating system installed.
The manufacturer does not install the crapware unless they actually believe it is a benefit to the consumer, or they are getting their palms greased (more likely).I would be very surprised if any of the money that the manufacturer gets from the crapware vendors is used to reduce the cost of the box.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915607</id>
	<title>Cost cutting, though?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one likes unwanted software being uninstalled, but have you considered that this inconvenience (and yes, perhaps, increased security risks in some cases) is saving you money on the hardware? These third party companies pay a significant amount of money to these PC vendors to get their software installed by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one likes unwanted software being uninstalled , but have you considered that this inconvenience ( and yes , perhaps , increased security risks in some cases ) is saving you money on the hardware ?
These third party companies pay a significant amount of money to these PC vendors to get their software installed by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one likes unwanted software being uninstalled, but have you considered that this inconvenience (and yes, perhaps, increased security risks in some cases) is saving you money on the hardware?
These third party companies pay a significant amount of money to these PC vendors to get their software installed by default.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917515</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>musicalmicah</author>
	<datestamp>1256815020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AFAIK, none of the bundled Apple software runs in the background or extends the length of boot time. Hence, not crapware. Moreover, it's all INCREDIBLY easy to remove: click and drag into your trash can. Even Joe End User can do that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIK , none of the bundled Apple software runs in the background or extends the length of boot time .
Hence , not crapware .
Moreover , it 's all INCREDIBLY easy to remove : click and drag into your trash can .
Even Joe End User can do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIK, none of the bundled Apple software runs in the background or extends the length of boot time.
Hence, not crapware.
Moreover, it's all INCREDIBLY easy to remove: click and drag into your trash can.
Even Joe End User can do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915617</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if someone could come up with a PDF-conform editor that allows annotations, that'd be great. PDF is an ISO standard, is it that hard?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if someone could come up with a PDF-conform editor that allows annotations , that 'd be great .
PDF is an ISO standard , is it that hard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if someone could come up with a PDF-conform editor that allows annotations, that'd be great.
PDF is an ISO standard, is it that hard?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914137</id>
	<title>Re:iWork vs. MS Works</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1256845320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course not.  MS Works isn't intended to compete with Microsoft Office, particularly now that Office 2007 made their old student edition available to all customers as the Home and Student Edition for $149.99.</p><p>Note: Home and Student Edition only includes Word, PowerPoint, and Excel.  There is no Outlook, Access, etc...</p><p>The naming of that edition is ironic, since students can now get Office 2007 Ultimate edition for <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx" title="microsoft.com">$59.95</a> [microsoft.com] / <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-uk/default.aspx" title="microsoft.com">&pound;38.95</a> [microsoft.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course not .
MS Works is n't intended to compete with Microsoft Office , particularly now that Office 2007 made their old student edition available to all customers as the Home and Student Edition for $ 149.99.Note : Home and Student Edition only includes Word , PowerPoint , and Excel .
There is no Outlook , Access , etc...The naming of that edition is ironic , since students can now get Office 2007 Ultimate edition for $ 59.95 [ microsoft.com ] /   38.95 [ microsoft.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course not.
MS Works isn't intended to compete with Microsoft Office, particularly now that Office 2007 made their old student edition available to all customers as the Home and Student Edition for $149.99.Note: Home and Student Edition only includes Word, PowerPoint, and Excel.
There is no Outlook, Access, etc...The naming of that edition is ironic, since students can now get Office 2007 Ultimate edition for $59.95 [microsoft.com] / £38.95 [microsoft.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914463</id>
	<title>Samsung has it right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Samsung netbook is the only computer I've ever purchased which did not compel me to reinstall Windows due to pre-loaded crapware.</p><p>The only stuff that runs by default is useful power-management software and a trial of VirusScan. I really hope Samsung continues to make netbooks and other mobile devices. They are a breath of fresh air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Samsung netbook is the only computer I 've ever purchased which did not compel me to reinstall Windows due to pre-loaded crapware.The only stuff that runs by default is useful power-management software and a trial of VirusScan .
I really hope Samsung continues to make netbooks and other mobile devices .
They are a breath of fresh air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Samsung netbook is the only computer I've ever purchased which did not compel me to reinstall Windows due to pre-loaded crapware.The only stuff that runs by default is useful power-management software and a trial of VirusScan.
I really hope Samsung continues to make netbooks and other mobile devices.
They are a breath of fresh air.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913801</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.</p></div><p>And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals, the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.</p></div><p>
And lose compatibility with many applications, the majority of which are made for Windows. Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.
</p><p>
So there exists a tradeoff between compatibility and freedom from crapware. Was this your point?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals , the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.2 .
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again .
And lose compatibility with many applications , the majority of which are made for Windows .
Sure , Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported , but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access .
So there exists a tradeoff between compatibility and freedom from crapware .
Was this your point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals, the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.2.
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.
And lose compatibility with many applications, the majority of which are made for Windows.
Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.
So there exists a tradeoff between compatibility and freedom from crapware.
Was this your point?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913551</id>
	<title>I was all set to take the article seriously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>until I saw it came from the UK. I mean really, does anybody take anything that comes out of that hole seriously?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>until I saw it came from the UK .
I mean really , does anybody take anything that comes out of that hole seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until I saw it came from the UK.
I mean really, does anybody take anything that comes out of that hole seriously?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914201</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>MSesow</author>
	<datestamp>1256845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although the programs are arguably good stuff, on the Mac I am using right now, I have the following list of stuff installed that I never have used: Address Book, Front Row, iCal, iChat, Image Capture, iPhoto, iSync, Mail, Safari (except to get a different browser) and Stickies.

There are also a few that I have only used once or twice: Chess, Calculator and iTunes.

And a few I don't know if I have used: Automator, Expose, Font Book, and iMovie.

Now my understanding is that many of these are good, useful programs (and done far better than a bunch of the crapware out there, I know).  However, I don't use them much (if at all), and the only reason they still exist on my laptop is because I am too lazy to worry about taking them off.  That is why I argue that Apple is no different in putting on a bunch of stuff you don't need.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although the programs are arguably good stuff , on the Mac I am using right now , I have the following list of stuff installed that I never have used : Address Book , Front Row , iCal , iChat , Image Capture , iPhoto , iSync , Mail , Safari ( except to get a different browser ) and Stickies .
There are also a few that I have only used once or twice : Chess , Calculator and iTunes .
And a few I do n't know if I have used : Automator , Expose , Font Book , and iMovie .
Now my understanding is that many of these are good , useful programs ( and done far better than a bunch of the crapware out there , I know ) .
However , I do n't use them much ( if at all ) , and the only reason they still exist on my laptop is because I am too lazy to worry about taking them off .
That is why I argue that Apple is no different in putting on a bunch of stuff you do n't need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although the programs are arguably good stuff, on the Mac I am using right now, I have the following list of stuff installed that I never have used: Address Book, Front Row, iCal, iChat, Image Capture, iPhoto, iSync, Mail, Safari (except to get a different browser) and Stickies.
There are also a few that I have only used once or twice: Chess, Calculator and iTunes.
And a few I don't know if I have used: Automator, Expose, Font Book, and iMovie.
Now my understanding is that many of these are good, useful programs (and done far better than a bunch of the crapware out there, I know).
However, I don't use them much (if at all), and the only reason they still exist on my laptop is because I am too lazy to worry about taking them off.
That is why I argue that Apple is no different in putting on a bunch of stuff you don't need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29924069</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>koreaman</author>
	<datestamp>1256918880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure where any of this argument is going, because "Linux" certainly does not "include its own PDF reader". There is no standard PDF reader made by the Linux project or even the GNU project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure where any of this argument is going , because " Linux " certainly does not " include its own PDF reader " .
There is no standard PDF reader made by the Linux project or even the GNU project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure where any of this argument is going, because "Linux" certainly does not "include its own PDF reader".
There is no standard PDF reader made by the Linux project or even the GNU project.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913519</id>
	<title>Acer is really the worst</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even the wireless toggle keys do not work without installing their crapware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the wireless toggle keys do not work without installing their crapware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the wireless toggle keys do not work without installing their crapware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913893</id>
	<title>Crapware, you say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A shame I can't comment on the subject, I just install Ubuntu...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A shame I ca n't comment on the subject , I just install Ubuntu.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A shame I can't comment on the subject, I just install Ubuntu...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920315</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't I read somewhere that evince is available for Windows now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't I read somewhere that evince is available for Windows now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't I read somewhere that evince is available for Windows now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915457</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Mitreya</author>
	<datestamp>1256807400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff. <p>
As someone had already pointed out in a different thread, the key problem is <strong>autostart</strong>.  Disk space is cheap and having a few extra apps here and there can be ignored.  But the crap-ware loads itself into memory! And on the desktop, and into the System taskbar, and into the Quick-start menu that puts up some bubbles with some notifications/offers and then there is software that auto-registers itself for extensions that it does not know how to handle! Oh, am I ranting?<br>
The last one really gets me.  I can understand why software wants to stuff itself into the system task menu and bombard me with ads (I am not going to tolerate it, but I see their motivation).  But why would you register your software for an extension only to start automatically and tell me that "This program does not support this format"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments , three word processors , four web browsers , and a whole bunch of image editors , system utilities , file managers , and other stuff .
As someone had already pointed out in a different thread , the key problem is autostart .
Disk space is cheap and having a few extra apps here and there can be ignored .
But the crap-ware loads itself into memory !
And on the desktop , and into the System taskbar , and into the Quick-start menu that puts up some bubbles with some notifications/offers and then there is software that auto-registers itself for extensions that it does not know how to handle !
Oh , am I ranting ?
The last one really gets me .
I can understand why software wants to stuff itself into the system task menu and bombard me with ads ( I am not going to tolerate it , but I see their motivation ) .
But why would you register your software for an extension only to start automatically and tell me that " This program does not support this format " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.
As someone had already pointed out in a different thread, the key problem is autostart.
Disk space is cheap and having a few extra apps here and there can be ignored.
But the crap-ware loads itself into memory!
And on the desktop, and into the System taskbar, and into the Quick-start menu that puts up some bubbles with some notifications/offers and then there is software that auto-registers itself for extensions that it does not know how to handle!
Oh, am I ranting?
The last one really gets me.
I can understand why software wants to stuff itself into the system task menu and bombard me with ads (I am not going to tolerate it, but I see their motivation).
But why would you register your software for an extension only to start automatically and tell me that "This program does not support this format"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913787</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918003</id>
	<title>VAIO is right</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1256817480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony VAIO is the slowest laptop? Not exactly a shocking result to anyone who has used one of their  bloatware infested machines. The only test a VAIO laptop scores fastest on is the wind tunnel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony VAIO is the slowest laptop ?
Not exactly a shocking result to anyone who has used one of their bloatware infested machines .
The only test a VAIO laptop scores fastest on is the wind tunnel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony VAIO is the slowest laptop?
Not exactly a shocking result to anyone who has used one of their  bloatware infested machines.
The only test a VAIO laptop scores fastest on is the wind tunnel.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913953</id>
	<title>Cross Platform</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1256844660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, every Windows OEM machine is on some level its own platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , every Windows OEM machine is on some level its own platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, every Windows OEM machine is on some level its own platform.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914679</id>
	<title>HP is the worst of the big brands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HP installs so much crap our machines often stop booting entirely, take well over 5 minutes to reach a desktop, and perform poorly once they are up.  And they install so much junk it's almost impossible to properly remove and clean it out.  I've stopped buying *anything* HP because of that.  It just isn't worth the frustration.</p><p>-Matt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HP installs so much crap our machines often stop booting entirely , take well over 5 minutes to reach a desktop , and perform poorly once they are up .
And they install so much junk it 's almost impossible to properly remove and clean it out .
I 've stopped buying * anything * HP because of that .
It just is n't worth the frustration.-Matt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HP installs so much crap our machines often stop booting entirely, take well over 5 minutes to reach a desktop, and perform poorly once they are up.
And they install so much junk it's almost impossible to properly remove and clean it out.
I've stopped buying *anything* HP because of that.
It just isn't worth the frustration.-Matt</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915303</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>uglyduckling</author>
	<datestamp>1256806800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...essentially, the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system...</i> </p><p>Actually, that spectacularly misses the point.  Microsoft were including bundled products then threatening to withdraw preferential OS licensing terms from OEMs who installed alternative software e.g. Netscape Navigator.  That was the behaviour that was censured, not just bundling application software <i>per se</i> otherwise Windows Movie Maker and the built-in antivirus in Windows Vista and Windows 7 would have been outlawed.  In the EU Microsoft has been forced to include a feature to select a web browser from a number of options, but that was a remedial measure to try to reverse the damage that Microsoft has done to that market through its abuses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...essentially , the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system... Actually , that spectacularly misses the point .
Microsoft were including bundled products then threatening to withdraw preferential OS licensing terms from OEMs who installed alternative software e.g .
Netscape Navigator .
That was the behaviour that was censured , not just bundling application software per se otherwise Windows Movie Maker and the built-in antivirus in Windows Vista and Windows 7 would have been outlawed .
In the EU Microsoft has been forced to include a feature to select a web browser from a number of options , but that was a remedial measure to try to reverse the damage that Microsoft has done to that market through its abuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...essentially, the same people who used to complain that Microsoft is an evil monopoly and is destroying small companies by bundling their own XYZ into the operating system... Actually, that spectacularly misses the point.
Microsoft were including bundled products then threatening to withdraw preferential OS licensing terms from OEMs who installed alternative software e.g.
Netscape Navigator.
That was the behaviour that was censured, not just bundling application software per se otherwise Windows Movie Maker and the built-in antivirus in Windows Vista and Windows 7 would have been outlawed.
In the EU Microsoft has been forced to include a feature to select a web browser from a number of options, but that was a remedial measure to try to reverse the damage that Microsoft has done to that market through its abuses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29923975</id>
	<title>Windows</title>
	<author>Lem0nHead</author>
	<datestamp>1256918400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I noticed some manufacturers are installing even Windows on their machines</htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed some manufacturers are installing even Windows on their machines</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed some manufacturers are installing even Windows on their machines</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913677</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why yes, I am an apple fanboy. How did you guess?</p></div><p>By the way that you pretended to defer to Linux first.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why yes , I am an apple fanboy .
How did you guess ? By the way that you pretended to defer to Linux first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why yes, I am an apple fanboy.
How did you guess?By the way that you pretended to defer to Linux first.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922985</id>
	<title>Re:HP printers</title>
	<author>Voyager529</author>
	<datestamp>1256913540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The HP driver discs never cease to amaze me either. In addition to bundling their own, utterly craptacular software with them (perhaps to avoid paying Arcsoft or something?), there's just WAY too much of it. I mean, is there any reason why a driver install download should be over 300MB? And yes, there are some multifunction drivers that are that size. I mean, the BASIC, "DRIVER-ONLY" installers are like 45 at best. And then when they actually do install, there's like 9 or 10 devices that get added to the device manager. I mean seriously, does HP have a company policy against writing drivers that *DON'T* suck?</p><p>By contrast, my Canon MP970 is about the best machine I have ever owned. The driver download package is 14MB (and works for 2000, XP, Vista, and 7; the 64-bit version is 20MB). It installs exactly three pieces of hardware into my device manager: a printer, a scanner, and a card reader. The bundled software on the disc is actually halfway decent as far as bundled apps go (A full versions of Arcsoft PhotoImpression and a basic-but-quite-functional version of Omnipage, plus color spaces for Photoshop and an app to manage on the network), are all 100\% optional to install, and NONE of them start with your machine? I know I sound like a Canon rep or a troll or something and I'm sorry, but Canon has got the installation procedure correct. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The HP driver discs never cease to amaze me either .
In addition to bundling their own , utterly craptacular software with them ( perhaps to avoid paying Arcsoft or something ?
) , there 's just WAY too much of it .
I mean , is there any reason why a driver install download should be over 300MB ?
And yes , there are some multifunction drivers that are that size .
I mean , the BASIC , " DRIVER-ONLY " installers are like 45 at best .
And then when they actually do install , there 's like 9 or 10 devices that get added to the device manager .
I mean seriously , does HP have a company policy against writing drivers that * DO N'T * suck ? By contrast , my Canon MP970 is about the best machine I have ever owned .
The driver download package is 14MB ( and works for 2000 , XP , Vista , and 7 ; the 64-bit version is 20MB ) .
It installs exactly three pieces of hardware into my device manager : a printer , a scanner , and a card reader .
The bundled software on the disc is actually halfway decent as far as bundled apps go ( A full versions of Arcsoft PhotoImpression and a basic-but-quite-functional version of Omnipage , plus color spaces for Photoshop and an app to manage on the network ) , are all 100 \ % optional to install , and NONE of them start with your machine ?
I know I sound like a Canon rep or a troll or something and I 'm sorry , but Canon has got the installation procedure correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The HP driver discs never cease to amaze me either.
In addition to bundling their own, utterly craptacular software with them (perhaps to avoid paying Arcsoft or something?
), there's just WAY too much of it.
I mean, is there any reason why a driver install download should be over 300MB?
And yes, there are some multifunction drivers that are that size.
I mean, the BASIC, "DRIVER-ONLY" installers are like 45 at best.
And then when they actually do install, there's like 9 or 10 devices that get added to the device manager.
I mean seriously, does HP have a company policy against writing drivers that *DON'T* suck?By contrast, my Canon MP970 is about the best machine I have ever owned.
The driver download package is 14MB (and works for 2000, XP, Vista, and 7; the 64-bit version is 20MB).
It installs exactly three pieces of hardware into my device manager: a printer, a scanner, and a card reader.
The bundled software on the disc is actually halfway decent as far as bundled apps go (A full versions of Arcsoft PhotoImpression and a basic-but-quite-functional version of Omnipage, plus color spaces for Photoshop and an app to manage on the network), are all 100\% optional to install, and NONE of them start with your machine?
I know I sound like a Canon rep or a troll or something and I'm sorry, but Canon has got the installation procedure correct. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916947</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256812680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's all just use Microsoft's XPS format instead of PDF. It's an open standard, supported on all operating systems that matter (Windows XP, 7, and Vista).</p><p>You wouldn't need foxit or adobe reader!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's all just use Microsoft 's XPS format instead of PDF .
It 's an open standard , supported on all operating systems that matter ( Windows XP , 7 , and Vista ) .You would n't need foxit or adobe reader !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's all just use Microsoft's XPS format instead of PDF.
It's an open standard, supported on all operating systems that matter (Windows XP, 7, and Vista).You wouldn't need foxit or adobe reader!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914311</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1256845980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Crapware: A piece of software with the unmistakable stench of uselessness, non-standardness, effort-reduplication, needless self-promotion, incompleteness, and some windows programmer in Taiwan who really should have known better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Crapware : A piece of software with the unmistakable stench of uselessness , non-standardness , effort-reduplication , needless self-promotion , incompleteness , and some windows programmer in Taiwan who really should have known better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crapware: A piece of software with the unmistakable stench of uselessness, non-standardness, effort-reduplication, needless self-promotion, incompleteness, and some windows programmer in Taiwan who really should have known better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915817</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>rahvin112</author>
	<datestamp>1256808900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've installed Linux on every computer I've owned for the last 9 years. Since about 2004 I've never had a peripheral that wasn't found and configured.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've installed Linux on every computer I 've owned for the last 9 years .
Since about 2004 I 've never had a peripheral that was n't found and configured .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've installed Linux on every computer I've owned for the last 9 years.
Since about 2004 I've never had a peripheral that wasn't found and configured.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913801</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915159</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256849460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap, but actually improves the operating of the computer.</p><p>Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life. Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it!</p></div><p>Lenovo isn't IBM anymore or hadn't you heard?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap , but actually improves the operating of the computer.Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life .
Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it ! Lenovo is n't IBM anymore or had n't you heard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap, but actually improves the operating of the computer.Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life.
Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it!Lenovo isn't IBM anymore or hadn't you heard?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914233</id>
	<title>I'll tell you who</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who installs the most crapware?</p><p>My mother does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who installs the most crapware ? My mother does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who installs the most crapware?My mother does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29921537</id>
	<title>Re:Good recent experience with Asus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256895480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default. It was otherwise a pretty clean <b>install of XP</b>.</p></div><p>That's more crapware than the Asus EEE used to come with</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default .
It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP.That 's more crapware than the Asus EEE used to come with</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default.
It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP.That's more crapware than the Asus EEE used to come with
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922769</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256912160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah. That's why.</p><p>Fuckhead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah .
That 's why.Fuckhead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah.
That's why.Fuckhead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913675</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922165</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256906040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With you 100\% here.</p><p>I wouldn't be as concerned about the crud that gets installed on machines - after all, disc space is cheap - but for its insistence on autorunning at startup.</p><p>I've put together a standard software bundle that installs a tolerable suite of applications for my outside-of-work teching, which manages to add merely two startup entries - these for Symantec Antivirus (which I'm prepared to accept as a necessary evil for uninitiated Windows users).</p><p>Adobe Reader (which has been mentioned above) got onto my shitlist a while back with the insistance of not one but two startup entries, AND demanding a reboot for an update.  Thanks for playing guys, now sod off.</p><p>DVD players have been shuffled off (thanks to their planned obsolescence, and startup items) in favour of VLC.</p><p>I'm sorry to say that I'm no longer recommending Spybot S&amp;D except as a disinfection tool.  I'm not keen on its 'protection' features, these seem a little top-heavy.  However the bundle includes firefox + thunderbird + adblock plus, so I'm not seeing anywhere near as many infections as I used to under the dark days of IE6.</p><p>CTFmon?  No Jamaican guys playing capture the flag on my machines, no Sir.</p><p>Java... srsly guys, go away.  sc stop jqs &amp;&amp; sc config jqs start= disabled.</p><p>Nero - still installing v6 as the bloat well and truly set in after this.</p><p>It's been a long haul, but I've now got a solid and reliable software bundle that provides a good spread of functionality and doesn't require loads of crud at startup.  Plus, it all installs silently and doesn't require me to be present.</p><p>I'd like there to be more open-source in the package, as it's raising the profile of OS amongst the people I work with.  Can anyone suggest:</p><p>[1] An alternative to Nero?  Full-featured CD &amp; DVD burning software, preferably with an acceptable GUI for less technical users?</p><p>[2] An alternative to Paint Shop Pro?  Currently I install v9, which is reasonably unbloated (despite the default explorer shell extension).  Sorry, but I can't see my userbase working with a GIMP port.</p><p>Bonus points to the above if they come with silent install routines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With you 100 \ % here.I would n't be as concerned about the crud that gets installed on machines - after all , disc space is cheap - but for its insistence on autorunning at startup.I 've put together a standard software bundle that installs a tolerable suite of applications for my outside-of-work teching , which manages to add merely two startup entries - these for Symantec Antivirus ( which I 'm prepared to accept as a necessary evil for uninitiated Windows users ) .Adobe Reader ( which has been mentioned above ) got onto my shitlist a while back with the insistance of not one but two startup entries , AND demanding a reboot for an update .
Thanks for playing guys , now sod off.DVD players have been shuffled off ( thanks to their planned obsolescence , and startup items ) in favour of VLC.I 'm sorry to say that I 'm no longer recommending Spybot S&amp;D except as a disinfection tool .
I 'm not keen on its 'protection ' features , these seem a little top-heavy .
However the bundle includes firefox + thunderbird + adblock plus , so I 'm not seeing anywhere near as many infections as I used to under the dark days of IE6.CTFmon ?
No Jamaican guys playing capture the flag on my machines , no Sir.Java... srsly guys , go away .
sc stop jqs &amp;&amp; sc config jqs start = disabled.Nero - still installing v6 as the bloat well and truly set in after this.It 's been a long haul , but I 've now got a solid and reliable software bundle that provides a good spread of functionality and does n't require loads of crud at startup .
Plus , it all installs silently and does n't require me to be present.I 'd like there to be more open-source in the package , as it 's raising the profile of OS amongst the people I work with .
Can anyone suggest : [ 1 ] An alternative to Nero ?
Full-featured CD &amp; DVD burning software , preferably with an acceptable GUI for less technical users ?
[ 2 ] An alternative to Paint Shop Pro ?
Currently I install v9 , which is reasonably unbloated ( despite the default explorer shell extension ) .
Sorry , but I ca n't see my userbase working with a GIMP port.Bonus points to the above if they come with silent install routines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With you 100\% here.I wouldn't be as concerned about the crud that gets installed on machines - after all, disc space is cheap - but for its insistence on autorunning at startup.I've put together a standard software bundle that installs a tolerable suite of applications for my outside-of-work teching, which manages to add merely two startup entries - these for Symantec Antivirus (which I'm prepared to accept as a necessary evil for uninitiated Windows users).Adobe Reader (which has been mentioned above) got onto my shitlist a while back with the insistance of not one but two startup entries, AND demanding a reboot for an update.
Thanks for playing guys, now sod off.DVD players have been shuffled off (thanks to their planned obsolescence, and startup items) in favour of VLC.I'm sorry to say that I'm no longer recommending Spybot S&amp;D except as a disinfection tool.
I'm not keen on its 'protection' features, these seem a little top-heavy.
However the bundle includes firefox + thunderbird + adblock plus, so I'm not seeing anywhere near as many infections as I used to under the dark days of IE6.CTFmon?
No Jamaican guys playing capture the flag on my machines, no Sir.Java... srsly guys, go away.
sc stop jqs &amp;&amp; sc config jqs start= disabled.Nero - still installing v6 as the bloat well and truly set in after this.It's been a long haul, but I've now got a solid and reliable software bundle that provides a good spread of functionality and doesn't require loads of crud at startup.
Plus, it all installs silently and doesn't require me to be present.I'd like there to be more open-source in the package, as it's raising the profile of OS amongst the people I work with.
Can anyone suggest:[1] An alternative to Nero?
Full-featured CD &amp; DVD burning software, preferably with an acceptable GUI for less technical users?
[2] An alternative to Paint Shop Pro?
Currently I install v9, which is reasonably unbloated (despite the default explorer shell extension).
Sorry, but I can't see my userbase working with a GIMP port.Bonus points to the above if they come with silent install routines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913787</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.</p></div><p>I dunno<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I installed Linux and ended up with <i>two</i> desktop environments, <i>three</i> word processors, <i>four</i> web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.</p><p>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.I dunno ... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments , three word processors , four web browsers , and a whole bunch of image editors , system utilities , file managers , and other stuff .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.I dunno ... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.
;-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916027</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>shirotakaaki</author>
	<datestamp>1256809500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is bullshit. I ordered a Dell laptop with Ubuntu on it and it didnt cost any more than the XP laptop with the crapware on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is bullshit .
I ordered a Dell laptop with Ubuntu on it and it didnt cost any more than the XP laptop with the crapware on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is bullshit.
I ordered a Dell laptop with Ubuntu on it and it didnt cost any more than the XP laptop with the crapware on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914119</id>
	<title>How many clicks?</title>
	<author>halll7</author>
	<datestamp>1256845200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's some irony in the fact that you have to hit this website over 20 times in order to read the article...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's some irony in the fact that you have to hit this website over 20 times in order to read the article.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's some irony in the fact that you have to hit this website over 20 times in order to read the article...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917853</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>fredma123</author>
	<datestamp>1256816640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's different from Windows. Those applications don't run automatically. And it's just choice. Use whichever one you think is best. You can uninstall whatever you don't want. It's not that hard.

Or just do an advanced install and spend a few hours filtering out what software you want and don't want on linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's different from Windows .
Those applications do n't run automatically .
And it 's just choice .
Use whichever one you think is best .
You can uninstall whatever you do n't want .
It 's not that hard .
Or just do an advanced install and spend a few hours filtering out what software you want and do n't want on linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's different from Windows.
Those applications don't run automatically.
And it's just choice.
Use whichever one you think is best.
You can uninstall whatever you don't want.
It's not that hard.
Or just do an advanced install and spend a few hours filtering out what software you want and don't want on linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914809</id>
	<title>Re:PC Decrapifier</title>
	<author>linuxgurugamer</author>
	<datestamp>1256848080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely the best!  Whenever I install a new computer, I always download and run this.  The author of the crappy article obviously didn't do any real research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely the best !
Whenever I install a new computer , I always download and run this .
The author of the crappy article obviously did n't do any real research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely the best!
Whenever I install a new computer, I always download and run this.
The author of the crappy article obviously didn't do any real research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913649</id>
	<title>Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download/" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">This</a> [ubuntu.com] will get 100\% of the crap off your system or your money back!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This [ ubuntu.com ] will get 100 \ % of the crap off your system or your money back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This [ubuntu.com] will get 100\% of the crap off your system or your money back!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913557</id>
	<title>Pretty easy to see the answer.</title>
	<author>moogied</author>
	<datestamp>1256843160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Grandma does.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Grandma does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grandma does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918317</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Phleg</author>
	<datestamp>1256819520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And lose compatibility with many applications, the majority of which are made for Windows. Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, because VMWare Fusion hasn't been out for <em>ages</em> now. I do web development on a Mac, and I keep an instance of Ubuntu and an instance of Windows running on my <em>previous</em>-generation Mac Mini running at all times to test performance and rendering in different browsers.</p><p>There's no tradeoff any more whatsoever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And lose compatibility with many applications , the majority of which are made for Windows .
Sure , Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported , but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.Yes , because VMWare Fusion has n't been out for ages now .
I do web development on a Mac , and I keep an instance of Ubuntu and an instance of Windows running on my previous-generation Mac Mini running at all times to test performance and rendering in different browsers.There 's no tradeoff any more whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And lose compatibility with many applications, the majority of which are made for Windows.
Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.Yes, because VMWare Fusion hasn't been out for ages now.
I do web development on a Mac, and I keep an instance of Ubuntu and an instance of Windows running on my previous-generation Mac Mini running at all times to test performance and rendering in different browsers.There's no tradeoff any more whatsoever.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915821</id>
	<title>crapware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256808960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a thought:  Build your own.  It's really not that hard, people.. and you'll save a heap of cash.  You can install whichever OS you like.  OSX, Windows 7.. heck, Windows 98 SE!</p><p>By the way, to say that OSX doesn't install crapware is just plain silly.  I can't tell you how many widgets I've removed from my dock..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a thought : Build your own .
It 's really not that hard , people.. and you 'll save a heap of cash .
You can install whichever OS you like .
OSX , Windows 7.. heck , Windows 98 SE ! By the way , to say that OSX does n't install crapware is just plain silly .
I ca n't tell you how many widgets I 've removed from my dock. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a thought:  Build your own.
It's really not that hard, people.. and you'll save a heap of cash.
You can install whichever OS you like.
OSX, Windows 7.. heck, Windows 98 SE!By the way, to say that OSX doesn't install crapware is just plain silly.
I can't tell you how many widgets I've removed from my dock..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914207</id>
	<title>Here is how you do it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You call up support to start a return process explaining very carefully what is on the machine that you did not order.  Tech support might try and walk you through the removal process.  Don't let them.  You didn't break it, you shouldn't fix it.  If they offer to send a tech out to fix it.  Fine.  Otherwise their only option is return.  Don't pay shipping (either way).  Don't take "no" for an answer (dispute the charge - take screen shots of your order and the crapware as all the proof you need).</p><p>The way to deal with corporations is to simply be a bigger asshole than even they could possibly imagine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You call up support to start a return process explaining very carefully what is on the machine that you did not order .
Tech support might try and walk you through the removal process .
Do n't let them .
You did n't break it , you should n't fix it .
If they offer to send a tech out to fix it .
Fine. Otherwise their only option is return .
Do n't pay shipping ( either way ) .
Do n't take " no " for an answer ( dispute the charge - take screen shots of your order and the crapware as all the proof you need ) .The way to deal with corporations is to simply be a bigger asshole than even they could possibly imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You call up support to start a return process explaining very carefully what is on the machine that you did not order.
Tech support might try and walk you through the removal process.
Don't let them.
You didn't break it, you shouldn't fix it.
If they offer to send a tech out to fix it.
Fine.  Otherwise their only option is return.
Don't pay shipping (either way).
Don't take "no" for an answer (dispute the charge - take screen shots of your order and the crapware as all the proof you need).The way to deal with corporations is to simply be a bigger asshole than even they could possibly imagine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915945</id>
	<title>ASUS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meanwhile, ASUS shipped the eee with a linux desktop that booted in 20 seconds...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , ASUS shipped the eee with a linux desktop that booted in 20 seconds.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, ASUS shipped the eee with a linux desktop that booted in 20 seconds...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29924115</id>
	<title>Flowplayer</title>
	<author>p.rican</author>
	<datestamp>1256919060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I stumbled on this gem a week or two back and it seems to work well.


<a href="http://flowplayer.org/" title="flowplayer.org">http://flowplayer.org/</a> [flowplayer.org]


It's a GPL3 replacement for flash  player on websites. Never heard of it till last week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stumbled on this gem a week or two back and it seems to work well .
http : //flowplayer.org/ [ flowplayer.org ] It 's a GPL3 replacement for flash player on websites .
Never heard of it till last week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stumbled on this gem a week or two back and it seems to work well.
http://flowplayer.org/ [flowplayer.org]


It's a GPL3 replacement for flash  player on websites.
Never heard of it till last week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913899</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>already forgotten about this one? -&gt; <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/410343/" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/410343/</a> [launchpad.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>already forgotten about this one ?
- &gt; https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/firefox-3.5/ + bug/410343/ [ launchpad.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>already forgotten about this one?
-&gt; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/410343/ [launchpad.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915845</id>
	<title>Re:iWork vs. MS Works</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1256809020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've not met anyone (with an open mind) that thinks PowerPoint is better than Keynote. Granted, Excel and Word are still far ahead of anything Apple offers, (Pages is not a direct competitor to Word, and Numbers, or whatever it's called has a 20 year late start to Excel).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not met anyone ( with an open mind ) that thinks PowerPoint is better than Keynote .
Granted , Excel and Word are still far ahead of anything Apple offers , ( Pages is not a direct competitor to Word , and Numbers , or whatever it 's called has a 20 year late start to Excel ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not met anyone (with an open mind) that thinks PowerPoint is better than Keynote.
Granted, Excel and Word are still far ahead of anything Apple offers, (Pages is not a direct competitor to Word, and Numbers, or whatever it's called has a 20 year late start to Excel).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914181</id>
	<title>Because you forgot to count</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1256845440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OS X + everything inside the application folder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OS X + everything inside the application folder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OS X + everything inside the application folder.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920635</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>wisty</author>
	<datestamp>1256837760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OSX preview is pretty powerful.</p><p>A google search shows PDF Annot (GPL), but I'm not sure if it's any good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OSX preview is pretty powerful.A google search shows PDF Annot ( GPL ) , but I 'm not sure if it 's any good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OSX preview is pretty powerful.A google search shows PDF Annot (GPL), but I'm not sure if it's any good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915617</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914621</id>
	<title>Try to remember</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1256847300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bare Windows install isn't like Ubuntu or a Mac.  It comes with only one browser, no way to play DVD's, no audio editor, no productivity applications.  It doesn't even have an antivirus that we need Windows users to have from the start so as to delay their inevitable pwndom.  It doesn't have shared repositories with thousands of free applications for every need. The poor users <i>need</i> some help bootstrapping from that to a useful platform, and the OEMs are driven to serve that need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bare Windows install is n't like Ubuntu or a Mac .
It comes with only one browser , no way to play DVD 's , no audio editor , no productivity applications .
It does n't even have an antivirus that we need Windows users to have from the start so as to delay their inevitable pwndom .
It does n't have shared repositories with thousands of free applications for every need .
The poor users need some help bootstrapping from that to a useful platform , and the OEMs are driven to serve that need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bare Windows install isn't like Ubuntu or a Mac.
It comes with only one browser, no way to play DVD's, no audio editor, no productivity applications.
It doesn't even have an antivirus that we need Windows users to have from the start so as to delay their inevitable pwndom.
It doesn't have shared repositories with thousands of free applications for every need.
The poor users need some help bootstrapping from that to a useful platform, and the OEMs are driven to serve that need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</id>
	<title>Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>Crash Culligan</author>
	<datestamp>1256844900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It can be said that Apples are among the <em>smoothest running</em> out of the box, but does that really mean there's no crap? This line of reasoning begs the definition of "crapware," and the #1 response would be "stuff you don't need on your computer." It doesn't have to slow it down, it doesn't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it's running or a huge disk footprint when it isn't, it just has to be stuff you don't <em>need</em>. And depending who you are, that can be quite a lot.</p><p>Have you ever used iWeb? iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity. And if they're thinking about office use, they're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice, so bang goes Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. Do you ever plan to serve web pages up from your <em>laptop</em>? (Well, I do, but then again, look where I'm posting.) You probably don't need that install of Apache or PHP. Not planning on doing any software development? Yes, XCode is an optional install and not part of the standard kit, but you've still got perl, ruby, python, pico, vi, emacs, and more shells, libraries, and frameworks than you'll ever need nestled down in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/local. Have a digital music library already? Then you might also have a preferred player, and probably won't want iTunes to re-rip it into that silly AAC format. A lot of people despise Quicktime on general principle. And a lot of people still eschew Safari for Firefox despite its HTML5 support.</p><p>It all depends on your definition of "crapware." It's all assembled and designed by the mother company, so it's integrated so perfectly that you're never bothered by it if you never use it, but if you dig, you'll find something that'll fit the description.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It can be said that Apples are among the smoothest running out of the box , but does that really mean there 's no crap ?
This line of reasoning begs the definition of " crapware , " and the # 1 response would be " stuff you do n't need on your computer .
" It does n't have to slow it down , it does n't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it 's running or a huge disk footprint when it is n't , it just has to be stuff you do n't need .
And depending who you are , that can be quite a lot.Have you ever used iWeb ?
iDVD ? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end , more professional applications through which to vent their creativity .
And if they 're thinking about office use , they 're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice , so bang goes Pages , Numbers , and Keynote .
Do you ever plan to serve web pages up from your laptop ?
( Well , I do , but then again , look where I 'm posting .
) You probably do n't need that install of Apache or PHP .
Not planning on doing any software development ?
Yes , XCode is an optional install and not part of the standard kit , but you 've still got perl , ruby , python , pico , vi , emacs , and more shells , libraries , and frameworks than you 'll ever need nestled down in /usr/local .
Have a digital music library already ?
Then you might also have a preferred player , and probably wo n't want iTunes to re-rip it into that silly AAC format .
A lot of people despise Quicktime on general principle .
And a lot of people still eschew Safari for Firefox despite its HTML5 support.It all depends on your definition of " crapware .
" It 's all assembled and designed by the mother company , so it 's integrated so perfectly that you 're never bothered by it if you never use it , but if you dig , you 'll find something that 'll fit the description .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can be said that Apples are among the smoothest running out of the box, but does that really mean there's no crap?
This line of reasoning begs the definition of "crapware," and the #1 response would be "stuff you don't need on your computer.
" It doesn't have to slow it down, it doesn't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it's running or a huge disk footprint when it isn't, it just has to be stuff you don't need.
And depending who you are, that can be quite a lot.Have you ever used iWeb?
iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.
And if they're thinking about office use, they're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice, so bang goes Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.
Do you ever plan to serve web pages up from your laptop?
(Well, I do, but then again, look where I'm posting.
) You probably don't need that install of Apache or PHP.
Not planning on doing any software development?
Yes, XCode is an optional install and not part of the standard kit, but you've still got perl, ruby, python, pico, vi, emacs, and more shells, libraries, and frameworks than you'll ever need nestled down in /usr/local.
Have a digital music library already?
Then you might also have a preferred player, and probably won't want iTunes to re-rip it into that silly AAC format.
A lot of people despise Quicktime on general principle.
And a lot of people still eschew Safari for Firefox despite its HTML5 support.It all depends on your definition of "crapware.
" It's all assembled and designed by the mother company, so it's integrated so perfectly that you're never bothered by it if you never use it, but if you dig, you'll find something that'll fit the description.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915491</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256807520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Care to point out any example of crapware that Ubuntu installs by default?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Care to point out any example of crapware that Ubuntu installs by default ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Care to point out any example of crapware that Ubuntu installs by default?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915309</id>
	<title>Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>Smurf</author>
	<datestamp>1256806800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is the parent post redundant?</p><p>Off-topic, sure, I can see why some people might consider it off-topic. But redundant?</p><p>Typical moderation abuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is the parent post redundant ? Off-topic , sure , I can see why some people might consider it off-topic .
But redundant ? Typical moderation abuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is the parent post redundant?Off-topic, sure, I can see why some people might consider it off-topic.
But redundant?Typical moderation abuse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913833</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915127</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1256849340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe reader <i>helps</i> you by inserting itself into the startup processes so it will launch faster when you need it. This retards system responsiveness when you want to get going after a reboot. Most users aren't going to know how to stop that. It wouldn't be necessary at all if it wasn't such a bloated monolith with unnecessary features like 3D and Javascript tacked on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe reader helps you by inserting itself into the startup processes so it will launch faster when you need it .
This retards system responsiveness when you want to get going after a reboot .
Most users are n't going to know how to stop that .
It would n't be necessary at all if it was n't such a bloated monolith with unnecessary features like 3D and Javascript tacked on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe reader helps you by inserting itself into the startup processes so it will launch faster when you need it.
This retards system responsiveness when you want to get going after a reboot.
Most users aren't going to know how to stop that.
It wouldn't be necessary at all if it wasn't such a bloated monolith with unnecessary features like 3D and Javascript tacked on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920027</id>
	<title>It's a necessity ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many consumer notebooks and desktops are sold at very thin margins (and occasionally, at cost), so vendors are compelled to install crapware, regardless of whether they degrade performance or irritate their customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many consumer notebooks and desktops are sold at very thin margins ( and occasionally , at cost ) , so vendors are compelled to install crapware , regardless of whether they degrade performance or irritate their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many consumer notebooks and desktops are sold at very thin margins (and occasionally, at cost), so vendors are compelled to install crapware, regardless of whether they degrade performance or irritate their customers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913933</id>
	<title>Re:Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>MrBippers</author>
	<datestamp>1256844540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?</p></div><p>Almost all of them have the crapware built in.  I prefer to use OEM versions of windows discs (versus retail) and just input the key from the COA.  You have to go pull drivers from the manufacturer's website but *usually* this is pretty painless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you order a computer with OS installation media , do those CD 's / DVD 's install the crapware as well , or just the basic OS ? Almost all of them have the crapware built in .
I prefer to use OEM versions of windows discs ( versus retail ) and just input the key from the COA .
You have to go pull drivers from the manufacturer 's website but * usually * this is pretty painless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?Almost all of them have the crapware built in.
I prefer to use OEM versions of windows discs (versus retail) and just input the key from the COA.
You have to go pull drivers from the manufacturer's website but *usually* this is pretty painless.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914721</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1256847720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA: <i>no big-brand laptop (aside from Apple) is free from crapware</i> </p><p>

It's one of the reasons I stay with Apple computers.  The last time I bought a HP notebook, it took TWO MINUTES for the thing to respond to a left click on the Start menu after first login, due to all of the crapplets in Startup Items loading simultaneously and overwhelming the machine.  Before I realized what was happening, I thought the machine was broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : no big-brand laptop ( aside from Apple ) is free from crapware It 's one of the reasons I stay with Apple computers .
The last time I bought a HP notebook , it took TWO MINUTES for the thing to respond to a left click on the Start menu after first login , due to all of the crapplets in Startup Items loading simultaneously and overwhelming the machine .
Before I realized what was happening , I thought the machine was broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA: no big-brand laptop (aside from Apple) is free from crapware 

It's one of the reasons I stay with Apple computers.
The last time I bought a HP notebook, it took TWO MINUTES for the thing to respond to a left click on the Start menu after first login, due to all of the crapplets in Startup Items loading simultaneously and overwhelming the machine.
Before I realized what was happening, I thought the machine was broken.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913827</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>BumbaCLot</author>
	<datestamp>1256844120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap, but actually improves the operating of the computer.</p><p>Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life. Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap , but actually improves the operating of the computer.Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life .
Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap, but actually improves the operating of the computer.Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life.
Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913493</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29932173</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1256923860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the shit that iTunes/Quicktime installs in Windows should give you a pretty good idea what's built into OS X.  Or in other words, no thanks.</p><p>Really, the only solution is to do it yourself and start with a blank harddrive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the shit that iTunes/Quicktime installs in Windows should give you a pretty good idea what 's built into OS X. Or in other words , no thanks.Really , the only solution is to do it yourself and start with a blank harddrive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the shit that iTunes/Quicktime installs in Windows should give you a pretty good idea what's built into OS X.  Or in other words, no thanks.Really, the only solution is to do it yourself and start with a blank harddrive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915627</id>
	<title>Re:I'll tell you who</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1256807880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's funny, I was just about to post a comment that said, "Your mom."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's funny , I was just about to post a comment that said , " Your mom .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's funny, I was just about to post a comment that said, "Your mom.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920037</id>
	<title>Compaq (HP...) is bad.</title>
	<author>Kittenman</author>
	<datestamp>1256831160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I cleaned a Compaqard box for a friend recently (cleaned=re-installed from the restore drive after they downloaded some malware) and that installed swags of HP trial stuff.  Which AVAST promptly identified as spyware, leading me to delete it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I cleaned a Compaqard box for a friend recently ( cleaned = re-installed from the restore drive after they downloaded some malware ) and that installed swags of HP trial stuff .
Which AVAST promptly identified as spyware , leading me to delete it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cleaned a Compaqard box for a friend recently (cleaned=re-installed from the restore drive after they downloaded some malware) and that installed swags of HP trial stuff.
Which AVAST promptly identified as spyware, leading me to delete it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914225</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1256845680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Install Windows 7 FREE from MSDNAA and never worry about crapware again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Install Windows 7 FREE from MSDNAA and never worry about crapware again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Install Windows 7 FREE from MSDNAA and never worry about crapware again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913637</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914133</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>British</author>
	<datestamp>1256845260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.</i></p><p>This cannot be stressed enough. Not everything needs a systray icon. Not everything needs to be so complicated to remove from startup without asking me in advance. Apple is a guilty party of this, even moreso with Itunes. Going to system.msc to try to remove a startup item(which is hard to read) is going to give you a guaranteed "access denied".</p><p>To this day I sometimes still see a little "hp" icon on the systray that disappears before I can get to it. No idea what it is. All I wanted was a printer driver.  A CD burning util doesn't need to run 24/7.</p><p>When can we just start having sw vendors just label it what it really is: spyware? Sure it might not phone home, but it still has all the other symptoms in common. I thought there were a few court cases about that topic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.This can not be stressed enough .
Not everything needs a systray icon .
Not everything needs to be so complicated to remove from startup without asking me in advance .
Apple is a guilty party of this , even moreso with Itunes .
Going to system.msc to try to remove a startup item ( which is hard to read ) is going to give you a guaranteed " access denied " .To this day I sometimes still see a little " hp " icon on the systray that disappears before I can get to it .
No idea what it is .
All I wanted was a printer driver .
A CD burning util does n't need to run 24/7.When can we just start having sw vendors just label it what it really is : spyware ?
Sure it might not phone home , but it still has all the other symptoms in common .
I thought there were a few court cases about that topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.This cannot be stressed enough.
Not everything needs a systray icon.
Not everything needs to be so complicated to remove from startup without asking me in advance.
Apple is a guilty party of this, even moreso with Itunes.
Going to system.msc to try to remove a startup item(which is hard to read) is going to give you a guaranteed "access denied".To this day I sometimes still see a little "hp" icon on the systray that disappears before I can get to it.
No idea what it is.
All I wanted was a printer driver.
A CD burning util doesn't need to run 24/7.When can we just start having sw vendors just label it what it really is: spyware?
Sure it might not phone home, but it still has all the other symptoms in common.
I thought there were a few court cases about that topic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915295</id>
	<title>Re:Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1256806800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HP's reinstall DVD/recovery partition installs the crapware.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Dell gives you an actual OS disk that *only* installs the OS. Go Dell! I'm a big fan of Dell because of this. I bought an HP (never doing THAT again!) and the only way I could make it usable was to re-install Vista from the DVD that came with my Dell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HP 's reinstall DVD/recovery partition installs the crapware .
: ( Dell gives you an actual OS disk that * only * installs the OS .
Go Dell !
I 'm a big fan of Dell because of this .
I bought an HP ( never doing THAT again !
) and the only way I could make it usable was to re-install Vista from the DVD that came with my Dell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HP's reinstall DVD/recovery partition installs the crapware.
:(Dell gives you an actual OS disk that *only* installs the OS.
Go Dell!
I'm a big fan of Dell because of this.
I bought an HP (never doing THAT again!
) and the only way I could make it usable was to re-install Vista from the DVD that came with my Dell.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913847</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Binestar</author>
	<datestamp>1256844180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This will get 100\% of the crap off your system or your money back!</p></div><p>

I work on a farm.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will get 100 \ % of the crap off your system or your money back !
I work on a farm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will get 100\% of the crap off your system or your money back!
I work on a farm.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913649</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914157</id>
	<title>Re:Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>Hormonal</author>
	<datestamp>1256845380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes.

Seriously, it depends.  As a previous poster mentioned, Lenovo seems to give restore CDs/partitions that include a preinstalled image, complete with crapware.  Other manufacturers give you a genuine Windows disk, complete with holograms and a butler.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Seriously , it depends .
As a previous poster mentioned , Lenovo seems to give restore CDs/partitions that include a preinstalled image , complete with crapware .
Other manufacturers give you a genuine Windows disk , complete with holograms and a butler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Seriously, it depends.
As a previous poster mentioned, Lenovo seems to give restore CDs/partitions that include a preinstalled image, complete with crapware.
Other manufacturers give you a genuine Windows disk, complete with holograms and a butler.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914211</id>
	<title>Re:Good recent experience with Asus</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256845620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Asus came with that goofy customized Xandros OS (complete with enormous cartoon-like icons). I considered the entire OS to be crapware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Asus came with that goofy customized Xandros OS ( complete with enormous cartoon-like icons ) .
I considered the entire OS to be crapware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Asus came with that goofy customized Xandros OS (complete with enormous cartoon-like icons).
I considered the entire OS to be crapware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913669</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913833</id>
	<title>Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it's ironic that the Mac is the best computer to run Windows on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's ironic that the Mac is the best computer to run Windows on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's ironic that the Mac is the best computer to run Windows on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918921</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256822820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu has a ton of crapware... Thankfully not the kind that has massive performance decreases like in Windows. Bad packagers for Ubuntu take care of that for you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu has a ton of crapware... Thankfully not the kind that has massive performance decreases like in Windows .
Bad packagers for Ubuntu take care of that for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu has a ton of crapware... Thankfully not the kind that has massive performance decreases like in Windows.
Bad packagers for Ubuntu take care of that for you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913649</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915637</id>
	<title>Acer is pretty bad...</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1256807940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Acer Aspire One I got recently was loaded with crap, but the biggest source of problems came from Google and especially McAfee. Every time I started that thing up from hibernate mode I had to wait for the Google apps and sidebar to load. Then McAfee anti-virus starts grinding away trying to scan the entire system. Even when I thought I had disabled automatic scanning I still found it cranking away.</p><p>So every time I started it I'd spend a minute or so in the OS just waiting for it to be responsive. Eventually I'd get something like a browser open and would spend several more minutes for the computer to perform at a speed that was even remotely functional. The best part was how McAfee was only available for a 60 day trial.</p><p>So I went through and uninstalled every last unnecessary bit of garbage and performance improved dramatically. In place of McAfee I installed AVG which doesn't seem to be nearly as taxing.</p><p>It would be nice if the OS prioritized apps on start up, giving priority to the user, instead of this apparent mad dash to see who can get started first. And even better, it would be nice if these computer companies stopped cramming all this crap on these machines and at least paid some amount of attention to the performance capabilities of the machine. I realize this stuff helps subsidize some of the cost of these computers, but at least offer the option to get a machine with a clean OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Acer Aspire One I got recently was loaded with crap , but the biggest source of problems came from Google and especially McAfee .
Every time I started that thing up from hibernate mode I had to wait for the Google apps and sidebar to load .
Then McAfee anti-virus starts grinding away trying to scan the entire system .
Even when I thought I had disabled automatic scanning I still found it cranking away.So every time I started it I 'd spend a minute or so in the OS just waiting for it to be responsive .
Eventually I 'd get something like a browser open and would spend several more minutes for the computer to perform at a speed that was even remotely functional .
The best part was how McAfee was only available for a 60 day trial.So I went through and uninstalled every last unnecessary bit of garbage and performance improved dramatically .
In place of McAfee I installed AVG which does n't seem to be nearly as taxing.It would be nice if the OS prioritized apps on start up , giving priority to the user , instead of this apparent mad dash to see who can get started first .
And even better , it would be nice if these computer companies stopped cramming all this crap on these machines and at least paid some amount of attention to the performance capabilities of the machine .
I realize this stuff helps subsidize some of the cost of these computers , but at least offer the option to get a machine with a clean OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Acer Aspire One I got recently was loaded with crap, but the biggest source of problems came from Google and especially McAfee.
Every time I started that thing up from hibernate mode I had to wait for the Google apps and sidebar to load.
Then McAfee anti-virus starts grinding away trying to scan the entire system.
Even when I thought I had disabled automatic scanning I still found it cranking away.So every time I started it I'd spend a minute or so in the OS just waiting for it to be responsive.
Eventually I'd get something like a browser open and would spend several more minutes for the computer to perform at a speed that was even remotely functional.
The best part was how McAfee was only available for a 60 day trial.So I went through and uninstalled every last unnecessary bit of garbage and performance improved dramatically.
In place of McAfee I installed AVG which doesn't seem to be nearly as taxing.It would be nice if the OS prioritized apps on start up, giving priority to the user, instead of this apparent mad dash to see who can get started first.
And even better, it would be nice if these computer companies stopped cramming all this crap on these machines and at least paid some amount of attention to the performance capabilities of the machine.
I realize this stuff helps subsidize some of the cost of these computers, but at least offer the option to get a machine with a clean OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29921671</id>
	<title>stop complaining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256897580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and buy ASUS or maybe one them from Sony</p><p>HP is full of bullshit software qhich is useless and slows ur PC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and buy ASUS or maybe one them from SonyHP is full of bullshit software qhich is useless and slows ur PC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and buy ASUS or maybe one them from SonyHP is full of bullshit software qhich is useless and slows ur PC</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913663</id>
	<title>Tough discussion..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boy, this is going to be a tough discussion. I wonder how many mod-points are going to be spent labeling items "flamebait" for talking about Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac..
<br> <br>
Anyway, I think Acer I got for my wife is the worst. I also recently purchased an HP, and it actually got a lot better in terms of less crapware. I was very surprised, although Vista disappeared ten minutes after I got it out of the box and Windows 7 magically appeared later..
<br> <br>
Any geek worth his salt gets rid of the current OS installation anyway and installs their <i>flavour of choice</i> anyway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boy , this is going to be a tough discussion .
I wonder how many mod-points are going to be spent labeling items " flamebait " for talking about Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac. . Anyway , I think Acer I got for my wife is the worst .
I also recently purchased an HP , and it actually got a lot better in terms of less crapware .
I was very surprised , although Vista disappeared ten minutes after I got it out of the box and Windows 7 magically appeared later. . Any geek worth his salt gets rid of the current OS installation anyway and installs their flavour of choice anyway : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boy, this is going to be a tough discussion.
I wonder how many mod-points are going to be spent labeling items "flamebait" for talking about Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac..
 
Anyway, I think Acer I got for my wife is the worst.
I also recently purchased an HP, and it actually got a lot better in terms of less crapware.
I was very surprised, although Vista disappeared ten minutes after I got it out of the box and Windows 7 magically appeared later..
 
Any geek worth his salt gets rid of the current OS installation anyway and installs their flavour of choice anyway :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913909</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also the most expensive.  It would have been nice if they would have compared crapware with price of the machine (weighted against quality of the hardware, ect.).  I personally don't mind a bit of crapware if it comes with a price decrease.  The absolute amount of crapware isn't as important as the amount relative to the price drop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also the most expensive .
It would have been nice if they would have compared crapware with price of the machine ( weighted against quality of the hardware , ect. ) .
I personally do n't mind a bit of crapware if it comes with a price decrease .
The absolute amount of crapware is n't as important as the amount relative to the price drop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also the most expensive.
It would have been nice if they would have compared crapware with price of the machine (weighted against quality of the hardware, ect.).
I personally don't mind a bit of crapware if it comes with a price decrease.
The absolute amount of crapware isn't as important as the amount relative to the price drop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915737</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>Ksevio</author>
	<datestamp>1256808420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if we're going down that path, then don't forget to mention all that other crapware in windows like calculator and notepad!</p><p>The only legit 'crapware' I've seen on macs is the iLife trial.  Fortunately it's a lot easier to remove (even multiple apps at once!) by just dragging it to the trash. No need to go through a list of uninstallers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if we 're going down that path , then do n't forget to mention all that other crapware in windows like calculator and notepad ! The only legit 'crapware ' I 've seen on macs is the iLife trial .
Fortunately it 's a lot easier to remove ( even multiple apps at once !
) by just dragging it to the trash .
No need to go through a list of uninstallers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if we're going down that path, then don't forget to mention all that other crapware in windows like calculator and notepad!The only legit 'crapware' I've seen on macs is the iLife trial.
Fortunately it's a lot easier to remove (even multiple apps at once!
) by just dragging it to the trash.
No need to go through a list of uninstallers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914675</id>
	<title>Re:I'll tell you who</title>
	<author>bigtoy</author>
	<datestamp>1256847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who installs the most crapware?</p><p>My mother does.</p></div><p>You beat me too it! I was going to say "Your Mother!!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who installs the most crapware ? My mother does.You beat me too it !
I was going to say " Your Mother ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who installs the most crapware?My mother does.You beat me too it!
I was going to say "Your Mother!!
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922617</id>
	<title>Dave</title>
	<author>Akita24</author>
	<datestamp>1256911140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are you doing with those Linux CDs Dave?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you doing with those Linux CDs Dave ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you doing with those Linux CDs Dave?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919277</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just as an FYI, you can install evince on Windows too. They've got a <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Downloads" title="gnome.org" rel="nofollow">Windows installer</a> [gnome.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as an FYI , you can install evince on Windows too .
They 've got a Windows installer [ gnome.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as an FYI, you can install evince on Windows too.
They've got a Windows installer [gnome.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919331</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought that complaint went a little differently. Something like MS bundling applications that used hidden APIs that gave them an inherent advantage over third-party software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that complaint went a little differently .
Something like MS bundling applications that used hidden APIs that gave them an inherent advantage over third-party software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that complaint went a little differently.
Something like MS bundling applications that used hidden APIs that gave them an inherent advantage over third-party software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914537</id>
	<title>Re:I just bought an HP laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous McCartneyf</author>
	<datestamp>1256847000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fun anecdote:<br>
One of my current favorite computers right now is a Compaq.  (Compaqs are just like HPs, but for some reason HP is maintaining both brands.)<br>
Anyhow, a few months back, a (legit) anti-malware program got installed onto the machine.  It flagged three programs that came with the system as malware.<br>
The programs did get removed.  I don't get Compaq pop-up ads anymore... <br>
Now, if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fun anecdote : One of my current favorite computers right now is a Compaq .
( Compaqs are just like HPs , but for some reason HP is maintaining both brands .
) Anyhow , a few months back , a ( legit ) anti-malware program got installed onto the machine .
It flagged three programs that came with the system as malware .
The programs did get removed .
I do n't get Compaq pop-up ads anymore.. . Now , if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fun anecdote:
One of my current favorite computers right now is a Compaq.
(Compaqs are just like HPs, but for some reason HP is maintaining both brands.
)
Anyhow, a few months back, a (legit) anti-malware program got installed onto the machine.
It flagged three programs that came with the system as malware.
The programs did get removed.
I don't get Compaq pop-up ads anymore... 
Now, if only corporations would stop bundling in programs that are designed to self-destruct in 90 days!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913999</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914603</id>
	<title>Fastest way to remove ALL 'rubbish' from any PC:</title>
	<author>The Cisco Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1256847240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.debian.org/distrib/" title="debian.org">http://www.debian.org/distrib/</a> [debian.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.debian.org/distrib/ [ debian.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.debian.org/distrib/ [debian.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29928439</id>
	<title>Who Installs the Most Crapware?</title>
	<author>vuffi\_raa</author>
	<datestamp>1256894760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who Installs the Most Crapware?</p></div><p>My father in law</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who Installs the Most Crapware ? My father in law</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who Installs the Most Crapware?My father in law
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913997</id>
	<title>WTF: slashdot popups?</title>
	<author>aibohphobia</author>
	<datestamp>1256844840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[I usually post AC, but I'm making an exception for this.]</p><p>Did anyone else get a pop-up from hardware.slashdot.org with a 100x100 image hosted on suitesmart.com saying "We are conducting a research survey on this site. You will be invited to participate when you leave. Please do not close this window."</p><p>Is that some kind of joke related to the story?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ I usually post AC , but I 'm making an exception for this .
] Did anyone else get a pop-up from hardware.slashdot.org with a 100x100 image hosted on suitesmart.com saying " We are conducting a research survey on this site .
You will be invited to participate when you leave .
Please do not close this window .
" Is that some kind of joke related to the story ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[I usually post AC, but I'm making an exception for this.
]Did anyone else get a pop-up from hardware.slashdot.org with a 100x100 image hosted on suitesmart.com saying "We are conducting a research survey on this site.
You will be invited to participate when you leave.
Please do not close this window.
"Is that some kind of joke related to the story?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913901</id>
	<title>First Actions</title>
	<author>RetroGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256844420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First I format the drive.</p><p>Then I install an OS copy that I got from Microsoft</p><p>Then I install the drivers I d/l from the machine site.</p><p>And I make an image (in case the app install fails badly).</p><p>I install the basic applications I use.</p><p>I make the recovery image.</p><p>Once in a while I format the drive and re-image using the recovery image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First I format the drive.Then I install an OS copy that I got from MicrosoftThen I install the drivers I d/l from the machine site.And I make an image ( in case the app install fails badly ) .I install the basic applications I use.I make the recovery image.Once in a while I format the drive and re-image using the recovery image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First I format the drive.Then I install an OS copy that I got from MicrosoftThen I install the drivers I d/l from the machine site.And I make an image (in case the app install fails badly).I install the basic applications I use.I make the recovery image.Once in a while I format the drive and re-image using the recovery image.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913637</id>
	<title>2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.<br>
2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.<br> <br>
Why yes, I am an apple fanboy. How did you guess?</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again .
2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again .
Why yes , I am an apple fanboy .
How did you guess ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.
2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.
Why yes, I am an apple fanboy.
How did you guess?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913783</id>
	<title>In Store Techs</title>
	<author>Ceiynt</author>
	<datestamp>1256844000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Offer a service to REMOVE all that junk for you when you buy it, for almost $100. That's the crazy part.<br>
 We bought my dad a laptop at Circuit City a few years back for Christmas, and the Firedog(sic?) tech was very persistent that we purchase the removal plan from them, as it's hard to do ourselves. I asked him what they do, and he said they take a vanilla Vista install disc and reformat the HDD with it. For $100, no thank you.<br>As someone stated in an above thread, it's ads on the computer to lower the cost of it. If you buy off the shelf computers, it may be worth it. And with a laptop/netbook, you have no choice but to buy it off the shelf.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Offer a service to REMOVE all that junk for you when you buy it , for almost $ 100 .
That 's the crazy part .
We bought my dad a laptop at Circuit City a few years back for Christmas , and the Firedog ( sic ?
) tech was very persistent that we purchase the removal plan from them , as it 's hard to do ourselves .
I asked him what they do , and he said they take a vanilla Vista install disc and reformat the HDD with it .
For $ 100 , no thank you.As someone stated in an above thread , it 's ads on the computer to lower the cost of it .
If you buy off the shelf computers , it may be worth it .
And with a laptop/netbook , you have no choice but to buy it off the shelf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Offer a service to REMOVE all that junk for you when you buy it, for almost $100.
That's the crazy part.
We bought my dad a laptop at Circuit City a few years back for Christmas, and the Firedog(sic?
) tech was very persistent that we purchase the removal plan from them, as it's hard to do ourselves.
I asked him what they do, and he said they take a vanilla Vista install disc and reformat the HDD with it.
For $100, no thank you.As someone stated in an above thread, it's ads on the computer to lower the cost of it.
If you buy off the shelf computers, it may be worth it.
And with a laptop/netbook, you have no choice but to buy it off the shelf.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916645</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there is some truth in this, but you have to understand that most things that don't work well under Linux is when the software maker uses proprietary data formats.</p><p>This was the case for microsoft office, and still is with their 2007 file formats.</p><p>It still is the case with outlook PST</p><p>It still is the case with exchange mail protocol</p><p>it's also the case with Skype network protocol.</p><p>When those companies publish their file formats and network protocols, you find an alternative to be compatible with it in Linux.</p><p>You need to blame the right person when complaining about Linux and lack of some software.<br>You see, when 2 things don't work well together, you have to ask yourself who is trying to work with the other, nd who is refusing to work with the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there is some truth in this , but you have to understand that most things that do n't work well under Linux is when the software maker uses proprietary data formats.This was the case for microsoft office , and still is with their 2007 file formats.It still is the case with outlook PSTIt still is the case with exchange mail protocolit 's also the case with Skype network protocol.When those companies publish their file formats and network protocols , you find an alternative to be compatible with it in Linux.You need to blame the right person when complaining about Linux and lack of some software.You see , when 2 things do n't work well together , you have to ask yourself who is trying to work with the other , nd who is refusing to work with the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is some truth in this, but you have to understand that most things that don't work well under Linux is when the software maker uses proprietary data formats.This was the case for microsoft office, and still is with their 2007 file formats.It still is the case with outlook PSTIt still is the case with exchange mail protocolit's also the case with Skype network protocol.When those companies publish their file formats and network protocols, you find an alternative to be compatible with it in Linux.You need to blame the right person when complaining about Linux and lack of some software.You see, when 2 things don't work well together, you have to ask yourself who is trying to work with the other, nd who is refusing to work with the other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913801</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915185</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1256849580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals, the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.</p></div></blockquote><p>s/newer/older/ and you might have a point. Maybe.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals , the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.s/newer/older/ and you might have a point .
Maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals, the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.s/newer/older/ and you might have a point.
Maybe.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914263</id>
	<title>I do!</title>
	<author>maxwells daemon</author>
	<datestamp>1256845800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On Fedora core 8.  I have installed so much crap I am afraid to upgrade my operating system!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On Fedora core 8 .
I have installed so much crap I am afraid to upgrade my operating system !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Fedora core 8.
I have installed so much crap I am afraid to upgrade my operating system!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915209</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1256849640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, this thread is full of trolls. There are a lot of legitimate complaints about software on Linux, but a limited selection of shit is not one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , this thread is full of trolls .
There are a lot of legitimate complaints about software on Linux , but a limited selection of shit is not one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, this thread is full of trolls.
There are a lot of legitimate complaints about software on Linux, but a limited selection of shit is not one of them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914179</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913723</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>megamerican</author>
	<datestamp>1256843760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why yes, I am an apple fanboy. How did you guess?</p></div><p>You're a self-described bum.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why yes , I am an apple fanboy .
How did you guess ? You 're a self-described bum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why yes, I am an apple fanboy.
How did you guess?You're a self-described bum.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917651</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256815500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe Reader is a crapware, especially those version that install a quick launch program that use memory even when you don't use the software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe Reader is a crapware , especially those version that install a quick launch program that use memory even when you do n't use the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe Reader is a crapware, especially those version that install a quick launch program that use memory even when you don't use the software.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914541</id>
	<title>Re:Apple crapware?</title>
	<author>bidule</author>
	<datestamp>1256847000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used Numbers '08 and it's hellishly slow. Mind you, half of my cells have conditional formatting of the simplest kind (the only you can do). It is acceptable for a first version, and I'm hoping by '10 they'll have it solved.</p><p>But the approach taken in both Pages and Numbers is more natural than what Excel got us used to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used Numbers '08 and it 's hellishly slow .
Mind you , half of my cells have conditional formatting of the simplest kind ( the only you can do ) .
It is acceptable for a first version , and I 'm hoping by '10 they 'll have it solved.But the approach taken in both Pages and Numbers is more natural than what Excel got us used to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used Numbers '08 and it's hellishly slow.
Mind you, half of my cells have conditional formatting of the simplest kind (the only you can do).
It is acceptable for a first version, and I'm hoping by '10 they'll have it solved.But the approach taken in both Pages and Numbers is more natural than what Excel got us used to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913903</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916373</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1256810580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.</p> </div><p>If yours does not, why do you care? If you do need Access, how about running it on a VM (assuming light use)?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access .
If yours does not , why do you care ?
If you do need Access , how about running it on a VM ( assuming light use ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.
If yours does not, why do you care?
If you do need Access, how about running it on a VM (assuming light use)?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29932643</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1257019260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Google moves to HTML5, Youtube will probably ditch Flash as Google reconverts everything into OGG.<br>No more need for flash!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Google moves to HTML5 , Youtube will probably ditch Flash as Google reconverts everything into OGG.No more need for flash !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Google moves to HTML5, Youtube will probably ditch Flash as Google reconverts everything into OGG.No more need for flash!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914363</id>
	<title>One app to rule them all</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1256846220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hijackthis. http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/<br><br>Nuff' said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hijackthis .
http : //free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/Nuff ' said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hijackthis.
http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/Nuff' said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913747</id>
	<title>Sony, in my experience.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely dreadful experience with some of their earlier Vaio models. On the same note, I've seen terrible incidents of this from Samsung as well. Varies from one model to the other, it seems.</p><p>Thankfully there are the BSDs, Mac OS X (if you care to "hackintosh"), and that "linux" thing, for those with that kind of taste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely dreadful experience with some of their earlier Vaio models .
On the same note , I 've seen terrible incidents of this from Samsung as well .
Varies from one model to the other , it seems.Thankfully there are the BSDs , Mac OS X ( if you care to " hackintosh " ) , and that " linux " thing , for those with that kind of taste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely dreadful experience with some of their earlier Vaio models.
On the same note, I've seen terrible incidents of this from Samsung as well.
Varies from one model to the other, it seems.Thankfully there are the BSDs, Mac OS X (if you care to "hackintosh"), and that "linux" thing, for those with that kind of taste.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915979</id>
	<title>I do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256809380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917593</id>
	<title>Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256815260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In other words, you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.</p></div><p>Yes, but we are talking about <b>non</b>-Windows crapware programs right now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.Yes , but we are talking about non-Windows crapware programs right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.Yes, but we are talking about non-Windows crapware programs right now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913669</id>
	<title>Good recent experience with Asus</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1256843580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default. It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP. Considering the experience I've had with other notebooks in recent years, I was pleasantly surprised. Kudos to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default .
It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP .
Considering the experience I 've had with other notebooks in recent years , I was pleasantly surprised .
Kudos to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default.
It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP.
Considering the experience I've had with other notebooks in recent years, I was pleasantly surprised.
Kudos to them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919397</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>gobbo</author>
	<datestamp>1256826060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the #1 response would be "stuff you don't need on your computer." It doesn't have to slow it down, it doesn't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it's running or a huge disk footprint when it isn't, it just has to be stuff you don't <em>need</em>.</p></div><p>Maybe, or maybe the #1 response would be "intrusive software that clutters things up or gets in the way or tries to sell you stuff" -- so in that sense apache, php, pico, etc. wouldn't be, since they aren't running until you tell them to, and stay invisible to the GUI. You're splitting hairs and making a practical definition useless.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Have you ever used iWeb? iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity. And if they're thinking about office use, they're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice, so bang goes Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.</p> </div><p>"Some" perhaps, more like the exception that proves the rule. The vast majority of us pro creative types don't mind having the iLife apps around, the same way a carpenter doesn't always use a nail gun. Some jobs just want something simple and very quick, and some of us separate family snaps into iPhoto and keep the work stuff in Lightroom, e.g.</p><p>iTunes will rip to mp3. Quicktime provides important basic media functions and yet can be ignored or easily replaced (but I know quite a few video pros who use it like a swiss army knife, myself included).</p><p>The iWork trialware is different -- I think that qualifies as crapware, as any preloaded trialware is.</p><p>Being useful software doesn't make it immune from the crapware label, I suppose. The shite that toshiba puts on its laptops to run the hardware, for instance, seems useful at first... until you realize it gets in the way and sucks ram and cycles, doesn't work as advertised, and crashes regularly. That tips it over into crapware land out of the grey zone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the # 1 response would be " stuff you do n't need on your computer .
" It does n't have to slow it down , it does n't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it 's running or a huge disk footprint when it is n't , it just has to be stuff you do n't need.Maybe , or maybe the # 1 response would be " intrusive software that clutters things up or gets in the way or tries to sell you stuff " -- so in that sense apache , php , pico , etc .
would n't be , since they are n't running until you tell them to , and stay invisible to the GUI .
You 're splitting hairs and making a practical definition useless.Have you ever used iWeb ?
iDVD ? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end , more professional applications through which to vent their creativity .
And if they 're thinking about office use , they 're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice , so bang goes Pages , Numbers , and Keynote .
" Some " perhaps , more like the exception that proves the rule .
The vast majority of us pro creative types do n't mind having the iLife apps around , the same way a carpenter does n't always use a nail gun .
Some jobs just want something simple and very quick , and some of us separate family snaps into iPhoto and keep the work stuff in Lightroom , e.g.iTunes will rip to mp3 .
Quicktime provides important basic media functions and yet can be ignored or easily replaced ( but I know quite a few video pros who use it like a swiss army knife , myself included ) .The iWork trialware is different -- I think that qualifies as crapware , as any preloaded trialware is.Being useful software does n't make it immune from the crapware label , I suppose .
The shite that toshiba puts on its laptops to run the hardware , for instance , seems useful at first... until you realize it gets in the way and sucks ram and cycles , does n't work as advertised , and crashes regularly .
That tips it over into crapware land out of the grey zone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the #1 response would be "stuff you don't need on your computer.
" It doesn't have to slow it down, it doesn't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it's running or a huge disk footprint when it isn't, it just has to be stuff you don't need.Maybe, or maybe the #1 response would be "intrusive software that clutters things up or gets in the way or tries to sell you stuff" -- so in that sense apache, php, pico, etc.
wouldn't be, since they aren't running until you tell them to, and stay invisible to the GUI.
You're splitting hairs and making a practical definition useless.Have you ever used iWeb?
iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.
And if they're thinking about office use, they're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice, so bang goes Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.
"Some" perhaps, more like the exception that proves the rule.
The vast majority of us pro creative types don't mind having the iLife apps around, the same way a carpenter doesn't always use a nail gun.
Some jobs just want something simple and very quick, and some of us separate family snaps into iPhoto and keep the work stuff in Lightroom, e.g.iTunes will rip to mp3.
Quicktime provides important basic media functions and yet can be ignored or easily replaced (but I know quite a few video pros who use it like a swiss army knife, myself included).The iWork trialware is different -- I think that qualifies as crapware, as any preloaded trialware is.Being useful software doesn't make it immune from the crapware label, I suppose.
The shite that toshiba puts on its laptops to run the hardware, for instance, seems useful at first... until you realize it gets in the way and sucks ram and cycles, doesn't work as advertised, and crashes regularly.
That tips it over into crapware land out of the grey zone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916573</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256811360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm doesn't Apple distribute iTunes with the Mac? If so- I call BS. The one with the least crap are System76, ThinkPenguin, LinuxCertified, EmpoerorLinux, and Dell (with Ubuntu anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm does n't Apple distribute iTunes with the Mac ?
If so- I call BS .
The one with the least crap are System76 , ThinkPenguin , LinuxCertified , EmpoerorLinux , and Dell ( with Ubuntu anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm doesn't Apple distribute iTunes with the Mac?
If so- I call BS.
The one with the least crap are System76, ThinkPenguin, LinuxCertified, EmpoerorLinux, and Dell (with Ubuntu anyway).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914551</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1256847060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Have you ever used iWeb? iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>No, I don't use those, but they <i>don't load automatically</i> on startup, either.

</p><p>You're confusing "amateur" with "crap."  Some software is perfectly adequate for laypeople to do basic things, like manage photos, make DVDs of their babys barfing on Grandpa, or fiddling with sampled audio.  They may seem like crap to you but they're fun for other folks.  If you don't use them, however, they sit on the hard drive and do nothing more than occupy otherwise useful storage space.  All that is necessary to delete them is to go into the Applications folder, and delete their directories.  [I especially recommend this for Garage Band non-users, as its audio sample files take up over a GB of disk space.]</p><p>Other software is installed solely to entice a new computer purchaser to subscribe to an online service, habitually visit an ad-driven website, or buy a full version... and this software all launches at startup, delaying the availability and usability of the computer after power-on, and is difficult to remove.  This is 'crapware.'  Also known as 'crapplets,' or in my house, 'goddamn AOL.'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever used iWeb ?
iDVD ? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end , more professional applications through which to vent their creativity .
No , I do n't use those , but they do n't load automatically on startup , either .
You 're confusing " amateur " with " crap .
" Some software is perfectly adequate for laypeople to do basic things , like manage photos , make DVDs of their babys barfing on Grandpa , or fiddling with sampled audio .
They may seem like crap to you but they 're fun for other folks .
If you do n't use them , however , they sit on the hard drive and do nothing more than occupy otherwise useful storage space .
All that is necessary to delete them is to go into the Applications folder , and delete their directories .
[ I especially recommend this for Garage Band non-users , as its audio sample files take up over a GB of disk space .
] Other software is installed solely to entice a new computer purchaser to subscribe to an online service , habitually visit an ad-driven website , or buy a full version... and this software all launches at startup , delaying the availability and usability of the computer after power-on , and is difficult to remove .
This is 'crapware .
' Also known as 'crapplets, ' or in my house , 'goddamn AOL .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Have you ever used iWeb?
iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity.
No, I don't use those, but they don't load automatically on startup, either.
You're confusing "amateur" with "crap.
"  Some software is perfectly adequate for laypeople to do basic things, like manage photos, make DVDs of their babys barfing on Grandpa, or fiddling with sampled audio.
They may seem like crap to you but they're fun for other folks.
If you don't use them, however, they sit on the hard drive and do nothing more than occupy otherwise useful storage space.
All that is necessary to delete them is to go into the Applications folder, and delete their directories.
[I especially recommend this for Garage Band non-users, as its audio sample files take up over a GB of disk space.
]Other software is installed solely to entice a new computer purchaser to subscribe to an online service, habitually visit an ad-driven website, or buy a full version... and this software all launches at startup, delaying the availability and usability of the computer after power-on, and is difficult to remove.
This is 'crapware.
'  Also known as 'crapplets,' or in my house, 'goddamn AOL.
'
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915047</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1256849040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and a partridge in a pear treeeeeee!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and a partridge in a pear treeeeeee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and a partridge in a pear treeeeeee!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914631</id>
	<title>Re:installed versus auto-start</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1256847360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they put icons in the desktop, the quick launch, the top of the start menu, and inside a group on the start menu.  Yes, I really need 4 icons to access a program like Adobe Reader which automatically runs anyway when it is needed.</p><p>Also annoying is when they make a start menu group with only one icon, or with the app and the uninstall (which is centralized under add/remove programs anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they put icons in the desktop , the quick launch , the top of the start menu , and inside a group on the start menu .
Yes , I really need 4 icons to access a program like Adobe Reader which automatically runs anyway when it is needed.Also annoying is when they make a start menu group with only one icon , or with the app and the uninstall ( which is centralized under add/remove programs anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they put icons in the desktop, the quick launch, the top of the start menu, and inside a group on the start menu.
Yes, I really need 4 icons to access a program like Adobe Reader which automatically runs anyway when it is needed.Also annoying is when they make a start menu group with only one icon, or with the app and the uninstall (which is centralized under add/remove programs anyway).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915761</id>
	<title>Re:Good recent experience with Asus</title>
	<author>Ksevio</author>
	<datestamp>1256808600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's worth mentioning that Skype is even included in the Ubuntu netbook remix, so you're basically stuck with it no matter what path you go.</p><p>Not that it's a bad program, it's actually pretty cool if you look at how it works in the background.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth mentioning that Skype is even included in the Ubuntu netbook remix , so you 're basically stuck with it no matter what path you go.Not that it 's a bad program , it 's actually pretty cool if you look at how it works in the background .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth mentioning that Skype is even included in the Ubuntu netbook remix, so you're basically stuck with it no matter what path you go.Not that it's a bad program, it's actually pretty cool if you look at how it works in the background.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913669</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919939</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256830380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they were declared a monopoly because they were actively engaged in limiting their customers choices.  If someone made an application people might want and it was included with a computer from the manufacturer, they'd play hardball with the manufacturer, and the application would get removed.  That's complete bullshit, and of course Microsoft is going to get fined millions for it.  What the hell were they thinking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they were declared a monopoly because they were actively engaged in limiting their customers choices .
If someone made an application people might want and it was included with a computer from the manufacturer , they 'd play hardball with the manufacturer , and the application would get removed .
That 's complete bullshit , and of course Microsoft is going to get fined millions for it .
What the hell were they thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they were declared a monopoly because they were actively engaged in limiting their customers choices.
If someone made an application people might want and it was included with a computer from the manufacturer, they'd play hardball with the manufacturer, and the application would get removed.
That's complete bullshit, and of course Microsoft is going to get fined millions for it.
What the hell were they thinking?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913969</id>
	<title>Re:Reinstalling the OS?</title>
	<author>nnnnnnn</author>
	<datestamp>1256844720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From my experience;<br><br>HP: They give you restore DVD's. It takes like an hour to restore the OS, lots of DVD reads. And for your trouble, your PC gets "restored" to its factory shipped crapware state. Solution; clean the crapware when you first get your PC, do a drive image. Then all you have to do is to restore from the drive image for a clean state.<br><br>Dell: They give you Windows reinstallation DVDs. You can do a clean Windows install from scratch. The only downside is that you have to install the drivers manually.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my experience ; HP : They give you restore DVD 's .
It takes like an hour to restore the OS , lots of DVD reads .
And for your trouble , your PC gets " restored " to its factory shipped crapware state .
Solution ; clean the crapware when you first get your PC , do a drive image .
Then all you have to do is to restore from the drive image for a clean state.Dell : They give you Windows reinstallation DVDs .
You can do a clean Windows install from scratch .
The only downside is that you have to install the drivers manually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my experience;HP: They give you restore DVD's.
It takes like an hour to restore the OS, lots of DVD reads.
And for your trouble, your PC gets "restored" to its factory shipped crapware state.
Solution; clean the crapware when you first get your PC, do a drive image.
Then all you have to do is to restore from the drive image for a clean state.Dell: They give you Windows reinstallation DVDs.
You can do a clean Windows install from scratch.
The only downside is that you have to install the drivers manually.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913729</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915123</id>
	<title>Re:Tough discussion..</title>
	<author>KillerBob</author>
	<datestamp>1256849340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You missed the part where he said:</p><blockquote><div><p>Windows 7 magically appeared later</p></div></blockquote><p> right? That means that at some later point, after he blew away Vista (note, blew it away, not upgraded), the system booted to Windows 7.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the part where he said : Windows 7 magically appeared later right ?
That means that at some later point , after he blew away Vista ( note , blew it away , not upgraded ) , the system booted to Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the part where he said:Windows 7 magically appeared later right?
That means that at some later point, after he blew away Vista (note, blew it away, not upgraded), the system booted to Windows 7.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915371</id>
	<title>Mac != no nagging</title>
	<author>Estanislao Martínez</author>
	<datestamp>1256807040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.</p></div></blockquote><p>Macs aren't immune from this problem.  They're just better than PCs in this regard overall, but there's a handful of services and upgrades that Apple's always trying to push on you--the most notable are Quicktime Pro and Mobileme.  They historically have done things like (a) cripple the regular Quicktime Player to push you into buying the Pro version, like by only allowing full-screen playing on Pro; (b) build a bunch of minor convenience features into their OS that can only be used if you have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Mac/Mobileme (e.g., Keychain synchronization).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Macs are n't immune from this problem .
They 're just better than PCs in this regard overall , but there 's a handful of services and upgrades that Apple 's always trying to push on you--the most notable are Quicktime Pro and Mobileme .
They historically have done things like ( a ) cripple the regular Quicktime Player to push you into buying the Pro version , like by only allowing full-screen playing on Pro ; ( b ) build a bunch of minor convenience features into their OS that can only be used if you have .Mac/Mobileme ( e.g. , Keychain synchronization ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.Macs aren't immune from this problem.
They're just better than PCs in this regard overall, but there's a handful of services and upgrades that Apple's always trying to push on you--the most notable are Quicktime Pro and Mobileme.
They historically have done things like (a) cripple the regular Quicktime Player to push you into buying the Pro version, like by only allowing full-screen playing on Pro; (b) build a bunch of minor convenience features into their OS that can only be used if you have .Mac/Mobileme (e.g., Keychain synchronization).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913637</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914609</id>
	<title>Re:iWork vs. MS Works</title>
	<author>sgt scrub</author>
	<datestamp>1256847300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do.</p></div><p>Not to mention versions of MS Office can not read &amp; save MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents created by other versions of MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents without upgrading the machine after you purchase it.  If both were ported to Linux I'd buy iWork.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications , which is something MS Works apparently ca n't do.Not to mention versions of MS Office can not read &amp; save MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents created by other versions of MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents without upgrading the machine after you purchase it .
If both were ported to Linux I 'd buy iWork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can both read &amp; save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do.Not to mention versions of MS Office can not read &amp; save MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents created by other versions of MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents without upgrading the machine after you purchase it.
If both were ported to Linux I'd buy iWork.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913869</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29919029</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256823420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you PDF have lots of complex postscript graphics, Adobe Reader is faster. Adobe have a better postscript engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you PDF have lots of complex postscript graphics , Adobe Reader is faster .
Adobe have a better postscript engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you PDF have lots of complex postscript graphics, Adobe Reader is faster.
Adobe have a better postscript engine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914413</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an added bonus you get all the security vulnerabilities that go along with both!</p><p>Need a re-install, be sure not to forget updating (both copies!) of Flash before you open a website.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an added bonus you get all the security vulnerabilities that go along with both ! Need a re-install , be sure not to forget updating ( both copies !
) of Flash before you open a website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an added bonus you get all the security vulnerabilities that go along with both!Need a re-install, be sure not to forget updating (both copies!
) of Flash before you open a website.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915531</id>
	<title>What Crapware??</title>
	<author>amoeba1911</author>
	<datestamp>1256807580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought many brand name laptops and never saw any crapware at all... that's probably because I have a simple rule: I make sure to have an OS install disc in the drive the first time I boot-up the computer. (or an OS install USB in case of Netbooks)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought many brand name laptops and never saw any crapware at all... that 's probably because I have a simple rule : I make sure to have an OS install disc in the drive the first time I boot-up the computer .
( or an OS install USB in case of Netbooks )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought many brand name laptops and never saw any crapware at all... that's probably because I have a simple rule: I make sure to have an OS install disc in the drive the first time I boot-up the computer.
(or an OS install USB in case of Netbooks)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913493</id>
	<title>Lenovo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a responsable IT person at my university, I buy a lot of different hardware (laptops, stationary, servers)... <p>
I ALWAYS format the computer before giving it to the final user, but as a rule I can tell you that any "big" name out there installs a lot of crapware, but the winner is: LENOVO. </p><p>

The last Dells I've got have:</p><p>
1. Adobe reader <br>
2. Google toolbar <br>
3. Google Desktop (!!!! ahhhggg the pain)<br>
4. Adobe Flash player <br>
5. Lots of Dell crapware like Support center and so on..</p><p>
Lenovo:
1. Adobe reader<br>
2. MS Office 30 days trial (yes, trials ARE  crapware in my book)<br>
3. McAffee antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)<br>
4. Google toolbar <br>
5. Google Desktop <br>
6. Google Chrome (AHHHHHHH MORE PAIN)<br>
7. Adobe flash player<br>
8. Skype (!!!) <br>
10. Lots and I mean LOOOOTS of Lenovo panels, gadgets and stuff
<br>
HP
1. Adobe reader<br>
2. Norton antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)<br>
4. Google toolbar <br>
5. Google Desktop <br>
6. Lots of gadgets and added HP value"</p><p>
On the bright side, Dell always gives you a new brand Windows CD and a CD with drivers so the re-installation is easy. </p><p>
Lenovo? They give you a Restore CD that installs the system with all the crap from the beginning.</p><p>
Oh well... At lest nobody else (that I know) is installing Abble crapware by default. The day some big name intalls iTunes, QuickTime, Safary or other Abble Supercrap, as default, that's the last day I buy such a brand for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a responsable IT person at my university , I buy a lot of different hardware ( laptops , stationary , servers ) .. . I ALWAYS format the computer before giving it to the final user , but as a rule I can tell you that any " big " name out there installs a lot of crapware , but the winner is : LENOVO .
The last Dells I 've got have : 1 .
Adobe reader 2 .
Google toolbar 3 .
Google Desktop ( ! ! ! !
ahhhggg the pain ) 4 .
Adobe Flash player 5 .
Lots of Dell crapware like Support center and so on. . Lenovo : 1 .
Adobe reader 2 .
MS Office 30 days trial ( yes , trials ARE crapware in my book ) 3 .
McAffee antivirus + Firewall + anything ( 60 days trial ) 4 .
Google toolbar 5 .
Google Desktop 6 .
Google Chrome ( AHHHHHHH MORE PAIN ) 7 .
Adobe flash player 8 .
Skype ( ! ! !
) 10 .
Lots and I mean LOOOOTS of Lenovo panels , gadgets and stuff HP 1 .
Adobe reader 2 .
Norton antivirus + Firewall + anything ( 60 days trial ) 4 .
Google toolbar 5 .
Google Desktop 6 .
Lots of gadgets and added HP value " On the bright side , Dell always gives you a new brand Windows CD and a CD with drivers so the re-installation is easy .
Lenovo ? They give you a Restore CD that installs the system with all the crap from the beginning .
Oh well... At lest nobody else ( that I know ) is installing Abble crapware by default .
The day some big name intalls iTunes , QuickTime , Safary or other Abble Supercrap , as default , that 's the last day I buy such a brand for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a responsable IT person at my university, I buy a lot of different hardware (laptops, stationary, servers)... 
I ALWAYS format the computer before giving it to the final user, but as a rule I can tell you that any "big" name out there installs a lot of crapware, but the winner is: LENOVO.
The last Dells I've got have:
1.
Adobe reader 
2.
Google toolbar 
3.
Google Desktop (!!!!
ahhhggg the pain)
4.
Adobe Flash player 
5.
Lots of Dell crapware like Support center and so on..
Lenovo:
1.
Adobe reader
2.
MS Office 30 days trial (yes, trials ARE  crapware in my book)
3.
McAffee antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)
4.
Google toolbar 
5.
Google Desktop 
6.
Google Chrome (AHHHHHHH MORE PAIN)
7.
Adobe flash player
8.
Skype (!!!
) 
10.
Lots and I mean LOOOOTS of Lenovo panels, gadgets and stuff

HP
1.
Adobe reader
2.
Norton antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)
4.
Google toolbar 
5.
Google Desktop 
6.
Lots of gadgets and added HP value"
On the bright side, Dell always gives you a new brand Windows CD and a CD with drivers so the re-installation is easy.
Lenovo? They give you a Restore CD that installs the system with all the crap from the beginning.
Oh well... At lest nobody else (that I know) is installing Abble crapware by default.
The day some big name intalls iTunes, QuickTime, Safary or other Abble Supercrap, as default, that's the last day I buy such a brand for us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29922005</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1256903400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS would distribute their own version of every app if they could.</p><p>Linux distros distribute a version, almost always someone else's, of every app, and include as many alternatives as possible in the repos.</p><p>See the difference from the point of view of consumer choice?</p><p>The other difference is that Linux repos include far more than any one company even one the size of MS, can produce.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS would distribute their own version of every app if they could.Linux distros distribute a version , almost always someone else 's , of every app , and include as many alternatives as possible in the repos.See the difference from the point of view of consumer choice ? The other difference is that Linux repos include far more than any one company even one the size of MS , can produce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS would distribute their own version of every app if they could.Linux distros distribute a version, almost always someone else's, of every app, and include as many alternatives as possible in the repos.See the difference from the point of view of consumer choice?The other difference is that Linux repos include far more than any one company even one the size of MS, can produce.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914857</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256848320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, and apple makes its so hard to just drag one icon to the trash and have the whole program and components be trashed instantly. 1 click... try that on a acer, or hp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , and apple makes its so hard to just drag one icon to the trash and have the whole program and components be trashed instantly .
1 click... try that on a acer , or hp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, and apple makes its so hard to just drag one icon to the trash and have the whole program and components be trashed instantly.
1 click... try that on a acer, or hp.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914023</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913789</id>
	<title>And the guilty are...</title>
	<author>slugicide</author>
	<datestamp>1256844000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA: tl;dr

"with Acer, Sony and HP being the worst offenders."</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : tl ; dr " with Acer , Sony and HP being the worst offenders .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: tl;dr

"with Acer, Sony and HP being the worst offenders.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914843</id>
	<title>Re:I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1256848260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope.  The least crapwared computer would be a system you built yourself. With a clean install of just the OS.  One can do this quite easily in the Windows or *nix world.  It's *possible* in OSX, but it violates the EULA or something and requires extra work.</p><p>Apples come with plenty of crapware, but no one who bought one would admit that.</p><p>Mods: That post wasn't informative (no information provided). It's either Apple fellation or trolling, depending on the poster's actual beliefs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
The least crapwared computer would be a system you built yourself .
With a clean install of just the OS .
One can do this quite easily in the Windows or * nix world .
It 's * possible * in OSX , but it violates the EULA or something and requires extra work.Apples come with plenty of crapware , but no one who bought one would admit that.Mods : That post was n't informative ( no information provided ) .
It 's either Apple fellation or trolling , depending on the poster 's actual beliefs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
The least crapwared computer would be a system you built yourself.
With a clean install of just the OS.
One can do this quite easily in the Windows or *nix world.
It's *possible* in OSX, but it violates the EULA or something and requires extra work.Apples come with plenty of crapware, but no one who bought one would admit that.Mods: That post wasn't informative (no information provided).
It's either Apple fellation or trolling, depending on the poster's actual beliefs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913511</id>
	<title>I know who has the least...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256842980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917325</id>
	<title>Mine was terrible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256814180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My HP laptop came with the worst crapware of all... Vista.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My HP laptop came with the worst crapware of all... Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My HP laptop came with the worst crapware of all... Vista.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29915061</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Lucid 3ntr0py</author>
	<datestamp>1256849100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know what's not great, or at least with the most recent rev (last 2 years), is their terrible connection manager. It is a complete bear to get it to follow the right kind of encryption for Wifi. And then it shuts down Zero config.

<p> Zeroconfig is an extremely well executed program. In XP at least (like the rest of the OS, it took a turn for the worse in Vista) you almost NEVER had to futz with a connection. It just worked. It autodetects encryption levels, and prompts you for the right password.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what 's not great , or at least with the most recent rev ( last 2 years ) , is their terrible connection manager .
It is a complete bear to get it to follow the right kind of encryption for Wifi .
And then it shuts down Zero config .
Zeroconfig is an extremely well executed program .
In XP at least ( like the rest of the OS , it took a turn for the worse in Vista ) you almost NEVER had to futz with a connection .
It just worked .
It autodetects encryption levels , and prompts you for the right password .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what's not great, or at least with the most recent rev (last 2 years), is their terrible connection manager.
It is a complete bear to get it to follow the right kind of encryption for Wifi.
And then it shuts down Zero config.
Zeroconfig is an extremely well executed program.
In XP at least (like the rest of the OS, it took a turn for the worse in Vista) you almost NEVER had to futz with a connection.
It just worked.
It autodetects encryption levels, and prompts you for the right password.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29913809</id>
	<title>Just use decrapifier</title>
	<author>Zarhan</author>
	<datestamp>1256844060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always use this first thing on new crap-loaded laptops that aren't going to get wiped with Linux.</p><p><a href="http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/" title="pcdecrapifier.com">http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/</a> [pcdecrapifier.com]</p><p>Free as in beer for personal use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always use this first thing on new crap-loaded laptops that are n't going to get wiped with Linux.http : //www.pcdecrapifier.com/ [ pcdecrapifier.com ] Free as in beer for personal use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always use this first thing on new crap-loaded laptops that aren't going to get wiped with Linux.http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ [pcdecrapifier.com]Free as in beer for personal use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29921145</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
	<datestamp>1256845680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Lets see.
</p><p>1. Advertised some language support, but user couldn't install it. Online installation failed.<br>
2. Requires registration just to download language files.<br>
3. v2 uses imperial units and doesn't support metric ones. v3 supports centimeters, but does not support milimeters.<br>
4. PDF printing is not as good as in Adobe Reader.</p><p>Tried using Foxit and eventually reverted to Adobe Reader. It is resource hog, but has less issues. Automated updates, stupid American defaults and startup items can be fixed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>then tell me with a straight face that Adobe 's version is better .
Lets see .
1. Advertised some language support , but user could n't install it .
Online installation failed .
2. Requires registration just to download language files .
3. v2 uses imperial units and does n't support metric ones .
v3 supports centimeters , but does not support milimeters .
4. PDF printing is not as good as in Adobe Reader.Tried using Foxit and eventually reverted to Adobe Reader .
It is resource hog , but has less issues .
Automated updates , stupid American defaults and startup items can be fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then tell me with a straight face that Adobe's version is better.
Lets see.
1. Advertised some language support, but user couldn't install it.
Online installation failed.
2. Requires registration just to download language files.
3. v2 uses imperial units and doesn't support metric ones.
v3 supports centimeters, but does not support milimeters.
4. PDF printing is not as good as in Adobe Reader.Tried using Foxit and eventually reverted to Adobe Reader.
It is resource hog, but has less issues.
Automated updates, stupid American defaults and startup items can be fixed.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916129</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Beat The Odds</author>
	<datestamp>1256809860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I dunno<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.</p></div><p>And it still took less disk space and less memory than on windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno ... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments , three word processors , four web browsers , and a whole bunch of image editors , system utilities , file managers , and other stuff.And it still took less disk space and less memory than on windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno ... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.And it still took less disk space and less memory than on windows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918381</id>
	<title>Re:Define "Crapware."</title>
	<author>arikol</author>
	<datestamp>1256819940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.<br>At least partly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>It does depend on what you are going to do.<br>I see Safari as an emergency browser, and only use a part of the iLife suite.<br>Apache and PHP are optional installs on offer as are most of the libraries for software development.</p><p>Quicktime works fine on Mac, but who really uses it?</p><p>Some of this may be defined as crapware, but if you need any of it then these are properly functioning, real programs.<br>Not like the awful halfbaked demo crapwares on most Win machines (I sold and fixed those for a while, so annoying to use out of the box..)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed.At least partly : ) It does depend on what you are going to do.I see Safari as an emergency browser , and only use a part of the iLife suite.Apache and PHP are optional installs on offer as are most of the libraries for software development.Quicktime works fine on Mac , but who really uses it ? Some of this may be defined as crapware , but if you need any of it then these are properly functioning , real programs.Not like the awful halfbaked demo crapwares on most Win machines ( I sold and fixed those for a while , so annoying to use out of the box.. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.At least partly :)It does depend on what you are going to do.I see Safari as an emergency browser, and only use a part of the iLife suite.Apache and PHP are optional installs on offer as are most of the libraries for software development.Quicktime works fine on Mac, but who really uses it?Some of this may be defined as crapware, but if you need any of it then these are properly functioning, real programs.Not like the awful halfbaked demo crapwares on most Win machines (I sold and fixed those for a while, so annoying to use out of the box..)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914681</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1256847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ironically, some high-school gets paid $100 to remove the crapware that resulted in the $100 discount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ironically , some high-school gets paid $ 100 to remove the crapware that resulted in the $ 100 discount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ironically, some high-school gets paid $100 to remove the crapware that resulted in the $100 discount.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918721</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>gwdoiron</author>
	<datestamp>1256821980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're on Windows, "PDF annotator" (Grahl software) might be something to check out.  I use it with my tablet PC to highlight sections of books (same as I would do with a regular paper copy of the book).</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're on Windows , " PDF annotator " ( Grahl software ) might be something to check out .
I use it with my tablet PC to highlight sections of books ( same as I would do with a regular paper copy of the book ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're on Windows, "PDF annotator" (Grahl software) might be something to check out.
I use it with my tablet PC to highlight sections of books (same as I would do with a regular paper copy of the book).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914341</id>
	<title>Just image 'em</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256846160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having spent three years as the sysadmin for a high school, plenty of Dell OptiPlexen and Latitudes went through my office before being send to their final destination somewhere in the school. My procedure: physically set up, start up, and image with the school district's standard no-nonsense XP image. I jokingly referred to Dell's base image as a "massive Dell advertisement".</p><p>I had one user who snubbed her new school-owned laptop from the mailroom before I could get to it, then refused to let me install my "crap" [the image] on it. Needless to say, she was begging for an image within a month or two...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having spent three years as the sysadmin for a high school , plenty of Dell OptiPlexen and Latitudes went through my office before being send to their final destination somewhere in the school .
My procedure : physically set up , start up , and image with the school district 's standard no-nonsense XP image .
I jokingly referred to Dell 's base image as a " massive Dell advertisement " .I had one user who snubbed her new school-owned laptop from the mailroom before I could get to it , then refused to let me install my " crap " [ the image ] on it .
Needless to say , she was begging for an image within a month or two.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having spent three years as the sysadmin for a high school, plenty of Dell OptiPlexen and Latitudes went through my office before being send to their final destination somewhere in the school.
My procedure: physically set up, start up, and image with the school district's standard no-nonsense XP image.
I jokingly referred to Dell's base image as a "massive Dell advertisement".I had one user who snubbed her new school-owned laptop from the mailroom before I could get to it, then refused to let me install my "crap" [the image] on it.
Needless to say, she was begging for an image within a month or two...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29918043</id>
	<title>got a new laptop 6 mos ago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256817780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i got a new laptop 6 mos ago, its an hp, i bought it because i liked the specs,  the first thing i did was partition it for win7 and ubuntu dual boot.... it was a little work but  i got 30 second cold boot times to either os</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i got a new laptop 6 mos ago , its an hp , i bought it because i liked the specs , the first thing i did was partition it for win7 and ubuntu dual boot.... it was a little work but i got 30 second cold boot times to either os</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i got a new laptop 6 mos ago, its an hp, i bought it because i liked the specs,  the first thing i did was partition it for win7 and ubuntu dual boot.... it was a little work but  i got 30 second cold boot times to either os</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914379</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>Sperbels</author>
	<datestamp>1256846280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not crapware in the sense that it's extraneous crap you don't need.  But it's crapware in the sense that you don't need to have all those EXEs in memory at startup.  Windows is perfectly capable of loading the appropriate items into memory as they are needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not crapware in the sense that it 's extraneous crap you do n't need .
But it 's crapware in the sense that you do n't need to have all those EXEs in memory at startup .
Windows is perfectly capable of loading the appropriate items into memory as they are needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not crapware in the sense that it's extraneous crap you don't need.
But it's crapware in the sense that you don't need to have all those EXEs in memory at startup.
Windows is perfectly capable of loading the appropriate items into memory as they are needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29920005</id>
	<title>Re:2 Simple solutions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256830860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>two</i> desktop environments, <i>three</i> word processors, <i>four</i> web browsers</p></div><p>Fiiiive gooolden riiiings!</p><p>Er...Christmastime already is it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>two desktop environments , three word processors , four web browsersFiiiive gooolden riiiings ! Er...Christmastime already is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsersFiiiive gooolden riiiings!Er...Christmastime already is it?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29916111</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo</title>
	<author>dan\_sdot</author>
	<datestamp>1256809740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Flashblock is your friend:
<br>
<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433" title="mozilla.org">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433</a> [mozilla.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Flashblock is your friend : https : //addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433 [ mozilla.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flashblock is your friend:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433 [mozilla.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29917965</id>
	<title>Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner</title>
	<author>russ1337</author>
	<datestamp>1256817240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out Crunchbang Lite.<blockquote><div><p> <i>

CrunchBang Linux is an Ubuntu based distribution offering a great blend of speed, style and substance. Using the nimble Openbox window manager, it is highly customisable and provides a modern, full-featured GNU/Linux system without sacrificing performance.
</i> <br> <br>

Lite edition simply had all but the terminal, web browser, file manager, editor and media player removed, the same has been done for this release, however the remaining applications (except Terminator) have been swapped out for lightweight alternatives.

    *

      Firefox is replace by Kazehakase (with Flash support).
    *

      Thunar has been replaced by PCmanFM.
    *

      Totem has been replaced by VLC.
    *

      gedit has been replaced by Leafpad.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Crunchbang Lite .
CrunchBang Linux is an Ubuntu based distribution offering a great blend of speed , style and substance .
Using the nimble Openbox window manager , it is highly customisable and provides a modern , full-featured GNU/Linux system without sacrificing performance .
Lite edition simply had all but the terminal , web browser , file manager , editor and media player removed , the same has been done for this release , however the remaining applications ( except Terminator ) have been swapped out for lightweight alternatives .
* Firefox is replace by Kazehakase ( with Flash support ) .
* Thunar has been replaced by PCmanFM .
* Totem has been replaced by VLC .
* gedit has been replaced by Leafpad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Crunchbang Lite.
CrunchBang Linux is an Ubuntu based distribution offering a great blend of speed, style and substance.
Using the nimble Openbox window manager, it is highly customisable and provides a modern, full-featured GNU/Linux system without sacrificing performance.
Lite edition simply had all but the terminal, web browser, file manager, editor and media player removed, the same has been done for this release, however the remaining applications (except Terminator) have been swapped out for lightweight alternatives.
*

      Firefox is replace by Kazehakase (with Flash support).
*

      Thunar has been replaced by PCmanFM.
*

      Totem has been replaced by VLC.
*

      gedit has been replaced by Leafpad.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_1717204.29914101</id>
	<title>Geek Squad Ripoff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was standing in Best Buy line one day at the computer desk.  They were buying a brand new laptop (forgot the brand), but they got the complete upsale from the Geek Squad guy.  Basically he told them that yes they could buy the laptop for the listed price, but that it would be unusable because of all the junk on it.  They would need to pay geek squad another $149 to take the computer and clean up all the junk that comes with it to make it usable.   And the poor people had to do it... They had no idea what to do or uninstall, and were being told that if they didnt do it then the computer would be near unusable.</p><p>Sadly the geek squad guy was close to the truth.  A new computer that isn't cleaned is booting slower, using more memory, and running slower than it should be.  It just was wrong that it was necessary for the unskilled user to have to pay $149 on top of the cost of the device...  I thought about jumping in and telling them it was a rip off, but then I'd have had to deal with it....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was standing in Best Buy line one day at the computer desk .
They were buying a brand new laptop ( forgot the brand ) , but they got the complete upsale from the Geek Squad guy .
Basically he told them that yes they could buy the laptop for the listed price , but that it would be unusable because of all the junk on it .
They would need to pay geek squad another $ 149 to take the computer and clean up all the junk that comes with it to make it usable .
And the poor people had to do it... They had no idea what to do or uninstall , and were being told that if they didnt do it then the computer would be near unusable.Sadly the geek squad guy was close to the truth .
A new computer that is n't cleaned is booting slower , using more memory , and running slower than it should be .
It just was wrong that it was necessary for the unskilled user to have to pay $ 149 on top of the cost of the device... I thought about jumping in and telling them it was a rip off , but then I 'd have had to deal with it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was standing in Best Buy line one day at the computer desk.
They were buying a brand new laptop (forgot the brand), but they got the complete upsale from the Geek Squad guy.
Basically he told them that yes they could buy the laptop for the listed price, but that it would be unusable because of all the junk on it.
They would need to pay geek squad another $149 to take the computer and clean up all the junk that comes with it to make it usable.
And the poor people had to do it... They had no idea what to do or uninstall, and were being told that if they didnt do it then the computer would be near unusable.Sadly the geek squad guy was close to the truth.
A new computer that isn't cleaned is booting slower, using more memory, and running slower than it should be.
It just was wrong that it was necessary for the unskilled user to have to pay $149 on top of the cost of the device...  I thought about jumping in and telling them it was a rip off, but then I'd have had to deal with it....</sentencetext>
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