<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_29_0457206</id>
	<title>Telco Sues City For Plan To Roll Out Own Broadband</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1256820180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Syngularity writes <i>'MaximumPC is featuring an article about one broadband provider's decision to sue the city of Monticello, Minnesota after residents <a href="http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/when\_competition\_threatens\_try\_throwing\_tantrum">passed a referendum to roll out their own fiber optic system</a>. TDS Telecommunications had earlier denied the city's request for the company to provide fiber optic service. During the ensuing legal battle, which prevented the citizens from following through with their plans, TDS Telecommunications took the opportunity to roll out a fiber system.'</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Syngularity writes 'MaximumPC is featuring an article about one broadband provider 's decision to sue the city of Monticello , Minnesota after residents passed a referendum to roll out their own fiber optic system .
TDS Telecommunications had earlier denied the city 's request for the company to provide fiber optic service .
During the ensuing legal battle , which prevented the citizens from following through with their plans , TDS Telecommunications took the opportunity to roll out a fiber system .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Syngularity writes 'MaximumPC is featuring an article about one broadband provider's decision to sue the city of Monticello, Minnesota after residents passed a referendum to roll out their own fiber optic system.
TDS Telecommunications had earlier denied the city's request for the company to provide fiber optic service.
During the ensuing legal battle, which prevented the citizens from following through with their plans, TDS Telecommunications took the opportunity to roll out a fiber system.
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910085</id>
	<title>I wonder how much that cost TDS</title>
	<author>kbw</author>
	<datestamp>1256830320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they lost a number of law suites, I take it they'd be liable for costs.  Presumably there wasn't a business case for building the network in the first place.  And finally, no one thinks the better of TDS for the these events.</p><p>How much did this cost TDS and did anyone in a decision making position loose their job?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they lost a number of law suites , I take it they 'd be liable for costs .
Presumably there was n't a business case for building the network in the first place .
And finally , no one thinks the better of TDS for the these events.How much did this cost TDS and did anyone in a decision making position loose their job ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they lost a number of law suites, I take it they'd be liable for costs.
Presumably there wasn't a business case for building the network in the first place.
And finally, no one thinks the better of TDS for the these events.How much did this cost TDS and did anyone in a decision making position loose their job?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912335</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1256838360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that the town "won" at every step in the legal process, apparently whatever they granted did not prevent the town.</p><p>The telco essentially abused the legal process for their own gain. They didn't care that they were losing in court, they were winning by delaying the town. Essentially, each court found against them but still gave them exactly what they really wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that the town " won " at every step in the legal process , apparently whatever they granted did not prevent the town.The telco essentially abused the legal process for their own gain .
They did n't care that they were losing in court , they were winning by delaying the town .
Essentially , each court found against them but still gave them exactly what they really wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that the town "won" at every step in the legal process, apparently whatever they granted did not prevent the town.The telco essentially abused the legal process for their own gain.
They didn't care that they were losing in court, they were winning by delaying the town.
Essentially, each court found against them but still gave them exactly what they really wanted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910119</id>
	<title>Re:I wish the system could do something good for o</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256830440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA sucks and sucks hard. Ars Technica has a far better <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/want-50mbps-internet-in-your-town-threaten-to-roll-out-your-own.ars" title="arstechnica.com">article</a> [arstechnica.com]. The suit is over, it started two years ago and the telco lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA sucks and sucks hard .
Ars Technica has a far better article [ arstechnica.com ] .
The suit is over , it started two years ago and the telco lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA sucks and sucks hard.
Ars Technica has a far better article [arstechnica.com].
The suit is over, it started two years ago and the telco lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913187</id>
	<title>I'm glad...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256841540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have fiber already, through my electric company.  Just installed this morning.</p><p>It's working great.   Does Telephone, TV and Internet.</p><p>Thank you Electric Power Board.  Thank you.</p><p>Goodbye Comcast, Goodbye!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have fiber already , through my electric company .
Just installed this morning.It 's working great .
Does Telephone , TV and Internet.Thank you Electric Power Board .
Thank you.Goodbye Comcast , Goodbye !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have fiber already, through my electric company.
Just installed this morning.It's working great.
Does Telephone, TV and Internet.Thank you Electric Power Board.
Thank you.Goodbye Comcast, Goodbye!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910693</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Obyron</author>
	<datestamp>1256832540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not in America, but the 407 in Canada is privately operated by lease from the Ontario government and serves the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). It's very profitable, has no toll booths (it uses transponders for frequent users, or license plate recognition via cameras at on and off ramps and mails a bill directly to you), and serves its purpose well for people who want to avoid traffic on the QEW for a couple of dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not in America , but the 407 in Canada is privately operated by lease from the Ontario government and serves the GTA ( Greater Toronto Area ) .
It 's very profitable , has no toll booths ( it uses transponders for frequent users , or license plate recognition via cameras at on and off ramps and mails a bill directly to you ) , and serves its purpose well for people who want to avoid traffic on the QEW for a couple of dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not in America, but the 407 in Canada is privately operated by lease from the Ontario government and serves the GTA (Greater Toronto Area).
It's very profitable, has no toll booths (it uses transponders for frequent users, or license plate recognition via cameras at on and off ramps and mails a bill directly to you), and serves its purpose well for people who want to avoid traffic on the QEW for a couple of dollars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913935</id>
	<title>The government doesn't do anything wrong, EVER.</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256844540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear people bitching about government,</p><p>Get a clue.</p><p>The government doesn't have a mind of its own, the people you elect to the positions DO.</p><p>If you live in America you CAN control the government, you are just too lazy to do so.</p><p>Just like corporations do no wrong, they can't, they are not alive.</p><p>If you want to fix the problem stop treating these organizations (government and corps) as protection umbrellas for the people operating them.  Start actually holding these people responsible.</p><p>As long as you let a CEO walk away after screwing people over or polluting the environment because he/she was 'protected under the corparation' then this will continue.  You give them a free pass, they'll use it.  There are very few people who are qualified for these positions because they will do it 'for the good of the people', and as some citizens realize, the people who will do it 'for the good of the people' don't want anything to do with those jobs because without the bribes and other benefits you can exploit in those positions, the jobs are rather shitty jobs to have.</p><p>You can fix this crap with a simple solutions, if you weren't too lazy to look at whos on the ballot rather than checking the box for your favorite team, errrr, political party.</p><p>Look at the mess with banking, everyone is upset about these companies paying out huge bonuses and salaries, their excuse is that 'they have contracts with these people', which is funny cause they seemed to ignore all the other contracts they had with the people who invested with them in the first place.  Simply make it so in order to get money they have to follow specific rules.  If they don't, start putting people in jail, from the CEO all the way down to the accountant who issues the check.  EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people can say 'no, I'm not doing it, its wrong'.  But they don't, its far easier to just spend my tax dollars and rubber stamp the check than it is to stand up and do the right thing, especially since no one actually holds the people accountable.  If you never hold individuals responsible for their actions, theres no reason for them to do the right thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear people bitching about government,Get a clue.The government does n't have a mind of its own , the people you elect to the positions DO.If you live in America you CAN control the government , you are just too lazy to do so.Just like corporations do no wrong , they ca n't , they are not alive.If you want to fix the problem stop treating these organizations ( government and corps ) as protection umbrellas for the people operating them .
Start actually holding these people responsible.As long as you let a CEO walk away after screwing people over or polluting the environment because he/she was 'protected under the corparation ' then this will continue .
You give them a free pass , they 'll use it .
There are very few people who are qualified for these positions because they will do it 'for the good of the people ' , and as some citizens realize , the people who will do it 'for the good of the people ' do n't want anything to do with those jobs because without the bribes and other benefits you can exploit in those positions , the jobs are rather shitty jobs to have.You can fix this crap with a simple solutions , if you were n't too lazy to look at whos on the ballot rather than checking the box for your favorite team , errrr , political party.Look at the mess with banking , everyone is upset about these companies paying out huge bonuses and salaries , their excuse is that 'they have contracts with these people ' , which is funny cause they seemed to ignore all the other contracts they had with the people who invested with them in the first place .
Simply make it so in order to get money they have to follow specific rules .
If they do n't , start putting people in jail , from the CEO all the way down to the accountant who issues the check .
EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people can say 'no , I 'm not doing it , its wrong' .
But they do n't , its far easier to just spend my tax dollars and rubber stamp the check than it is to stand up and do the right thing , especially since no one actually holds the people accountable .
If you never hold individuals responsible for their actions , theres no reason for them to do the right thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear people bitching about government,Get a clue.The government doesn't have a mind of its own, the people you elect to the positions DO.If you live in America you CAN control the government, you are just too lazy to do so.Just like corporations do no wrong, they can't, they are not alive.If you want to fix the problem stop treating these organizations (government and corps) as protection umbrellas for the people operating them.
Start actually holding these people responsible.As long as you let a CEO walk away after screwing people over or polluting the environment because he/she was 'protected under the corparation' then this will continue.
You give them a free pass, they'll use it.
There are very few people who are qualified for these positions because they will do it 'for the good of the people', and as some citizens realize, the people who will do it 'for the good of the people' don't want anything to do with those jobs because without the bribes and other benefits you can exploit in those positions, the jobs are rather shitty jobs to have.You can fix this crap with a simple solutions, if you weren't too lazy to look at whos on the ballot rather than checking the box for your favorite team, errrr, political party.Look at the mess with banking, everyone is upset about these companies paying out huge bonuses and salaries, their excuse is that 'they have contracts with these people', which is funny cause they seemed to ignore all the other contracts they had with the people who invested with them in the first place.
Simply make it so in order to get money they have to follow specific rules.
If they don't, start putting people in jail, from the CEO all the way down to the accountant who issues the check.
EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people can say 'no, I'm not doing it, its wrong'.
But they don't, its far easier to just spend my tax dollars and rubber stamp the check than it is to stand up and do the right thing, especially since no one actually holds the people accountable.
If you never hold individuals responsible for their actions, theres no reason for them to do the right thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29924469</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256920380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free markets and capitalism did solve our problems. Growing powerful and even having a monopoly is not a problem, assuming the company acts responsibly towards it's customers. I'd argue the original AT&amp;T had this perspective and tried to provide the best service possible. This customer orientation is what's been lost over time. Most large companies, our governments (ironically), special interest groups, etc., really don't cater to customers anymore. They are now focused on providing the minimum service they can get away with. The reasons are more profits, budget constraints, spreading resources to thin, etc, etc, etc. And, to answer your question, nobody really knows any different anymore, so they accept it instead of being outraged. This is the brave new world. And we created it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free markets and capitalism did solve our problems .
Growing powerful and even having a monopoly is not a problem , assuming the company acts responsibly towards it 's customers .
I 'd argue the original AT&amp;T had this perspective and tried to provide the best service possible .
This customer orientation is what 's been lost over time .
Most large companies , our governments ( ironically ) , special interest groups , etc. , really do n't cater to customers anymore .
They are now focused on providing the minimum service they can get away with .
The reasons are more profits , budget constraints , spreading resources to thin , etc , etc , etc .
And , to answer your question , nobody really knows any different anymore , so they accept it instead of being outraged .
This is the brave new world .
And we created it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free markets and capitalism did solve our problems.
Growing powerful and even having a monopoly is not a problem, assuming the company acts responsibly towards it's customers.
I'd argue the original AT&amp;T had this perspective and tried to provide the best service possible.
This customer orientation is what's been lost over time.
Most large companies, our governments (ironically), special interest groups, etc., really don't cater to customers anymore.
They are now focused on providing the minimum service they can get away with.
The reasons are more profits, budget constraints, spreading resources to thin, etc, etc, etc.
And, to answer your question, nobody really knows any different anymore, so they accept it instead of being outraged.
This is the brave new world.
And we created it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911741</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a good point.</p><p>Sadly most people that support Capitalism wouldn't know it if it kicked them in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a good point.Sadly most people that support Capitalism would n't know it if it kicked them in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a good point.Sadly most people that support Capitalism wouldn't know it if it kicked them in the ass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911063</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1256833860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a difference between being self-interested and being an efficient agent in a free market.  The telco in question, is, not unreasonably from their point of view, the former.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a difference between being self-interested and being an efficient agent in a free market .
The telco in question , is , not unreasonably from their point of view , the former .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a difference between being self-interested and being an efficient agent in a free market.
The telco in question, is, not unreasonably from their point of view, the former.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29915497</id>
	<title>Re:Wiring is infrastructure</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1256807520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm as free market as anybody,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>You should stop making claims which are demonstrably false. You are not "as free market" as I am, ergo you are not "as free market as anybody."</p><p>Where are you going to get the funds to act as an ISP to clearly non-cost-effective houses? The private providers (incl. any non-profits, such as co-ops) will provide services to the rest, so you'll be left with just the ones which lose money at $20/mo. Taxes? Anyone who advocates theft, even a little, is not in any way supportive of free markets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm as free market as anybody , ...You should stop making claims which are demonstrably false .
You are not " as free market " as I am , ergo you are not " as free market as anybody .
" Where are you going to get the funds to act as an ISP to clearly non-cost-effective houses ?
The private providers ( incl .
any non-profits , such as co-ops ) will provide services to the rest , so you 'll be left with just the ones which lose money at $ 20/mo .
Taxes ? Anyone who advocates theft , even a little , is not in any way supportive of free markets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm as free market as anybody, ...You should stop making claims which are demonstrably false.
You are not "as free market" as I am, ergo you are not "as free market as anybody.
"Where are you going to get the funds to act as an ISP to clearly non-cost-effective houses?
The private providers (incl.
any non-profits, such as co-ops) will provide services to the rest, so you'll be left with just the ones which lose money at $20/mo.
Taxes? Anyone who advocates theft, even a little, is not in any way supportive of free markets.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909145</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911535</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Bagellord</author>
	<datestamp>1256835660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly you have never driven on the Kansas Turnpike. It is maintained by a private company and is the best maintained and nicest road I've ever driven on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you have never driven on the Kansas Turnpike .
It is maintained by a private company and is the best maintained and nicest road I 've ever driven on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you have never driven on the Kansas Turnpike.
It is maintained by a private company and is the best maintained and nicest road I've ever driven on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910747</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256832720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's exactly my thought for health insurance.  Insurance companies have continually set record breaking profits - even during the year Katrina hit if my recollection serves me right...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly my thought for health insurance .
Insurance companies have continually set record breaking profits - even during the year Katrina hit if my recollection serves me right.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly my thought for health insurance.
Insurance companies have continually set record breaking profits - even during the year Katrina hit if my recollection serves me right...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909347</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29921681</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256897880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does, but the media works for the other team.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does , but the media works for the other team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does, but the media works for the other team.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909677</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>thickdiick</author>
	<datestamp>1256828580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If roads were privatized, that would be the best distribution of resouces. We wouldn't have extranneous roads, and the ones that are used the most would get the most resources. Where there is demand that can be monetized, there will be individuals and groups of individuals (companies) that will work to fill that need. The modern age is creating technologies that make paying tolls effortless. <br> <br>
People should only pay for what they use. They should not be forced to subsidize others, especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay.
<br> <br>
There's no free lunch. Those roads will be paid for by someone. Who would you prefer to manage these roads, people who have no vested interest in the roads (public officials who get paid regardless) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If roads were privatized , that would be the best distribution of resouces .
We would n't have extranneous roads , and the ones that are used the most would get the most resources .
Where there is demand that can be monetized , there will be individuals and groups of individuals ( companies ) that will work to fill that need .
The modern age is creating technologies that make paying tolls effortless .
People should only pay for what they use .
They should not be forced to subsidize others , especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay .
There 's no free lunch .
Those roads will be paid for by someone .
Who would you prefer to manage these roads , people who have no vested interest in the roads ( public officials who get paid regardless ) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If roads were privatized, that would be the best distribution of resouces.
We wouldn't have extranneous roads, and the ones that are used the most would get the most resources.
Where there is demand that can be monetized, there will be individuals and groups of individuals (companies) that will work to fill that need.
The modern age is creating technologies that make paying tolls effortless.
People should only pay for what they use.
They should not be forced to subsidize others, especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay.
There's no free lunch.
Those roads will be paid for by someone.
Who would you prefer to manage these roads, people who have no vested interest in the roads (public officials who get paid regardless) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920393</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>elmedico27</author>
	<datestamp>1256834880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm still not entirely convinced that even TDS knows why they sued.  I wholeheartedly believe that TDS was just leveraging the ridiculously slow speed of the United States judicial system to tie the city government's hands in red tape and buy time to blitzkreig the town with TDS fiber.  TDS just needed a diversion, which the legal department was (I'm sure) happy to cook up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still not entirely convinced that even TDS knows why they sued .
I wholeheartedly believe that TDS was just leveraging the ridiculously slow speed of the United States judicial system to tie the city government 's hands in red tape and buy time to blitzkreig the town with TDS fiber .
TDS just needed a diversion , which the legal department was ( I 'm sure ) happy to cook up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still not entirely convinced that even TDS knows why they sued.
I wholeheartedly believe that TDS was just leveraging the ridiculously slow speed of the United States judicial system to tie the city government's hands in red tape and buy time to blitzkreig the town with TDS fiber.
TDS just needed a diversion, which the legal department was (I'm sure) happy to cook up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912705</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1256839740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It almost sounds like you are blaming Comcast for protecting its interests?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It almost sounds like you are blaming Comcast for protecting its interests ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It almost sounds like you are blaming Comcast for protecting its interests?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908985</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910303</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There were no communists in Marx's Russia.</p><p>There are no capitalists in Rand's America.</p><p>Just the same greedy people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There were no communists in Marx 's Russia.There are no capitalists in Rand 's America.Just the same greedy people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There were no communists in Marx's Russia.There are no capitalists in Rand's America.Just the same greedy people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29925413</id>
	<title>Careful What You Wish For</title>
	<author>Stormy Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256923920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just remember, when the government is your ISP then the government 1) controls what you're allowed to access 2) tracks what you do online</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just remember , when the government is your ISP then the government 1 ) controls what you 're allowed to access 2 ) tracks what you do online</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just remember, when the government is your ISP then the government 1) controls what you're allowed to access 2) tracks what you do online</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914861</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1256848320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree.  I don't want to have to decide whether to go hang out with Jim today based on whether or not I want to pay the $1 toll each way to use the local state highway for five minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
I do n't want to have to decide whether to go hang out with Jim today based on whether or not I want to pay the $ 1 toll each way to use the local state highway for five minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
I don't want to have to decide whether to go hang out with Jim today based on whether or not I want to pay the $1 toll each way to use the local state highway for five minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29916431</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Rhacman</author>
	<datestamp>1256810760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Volunteer fire departments may well be more efficient, but as this is a reply to the humorous parent regarding socialist fire departments I would say volunteer fire departments are no less such.

The term "volunteer" refers to the firefighters volunteering to be on call rather as opposed to full time employees, it does not necessarily mean they work for free.  Volunteer fire departments still require funding like any service to maintain their equipment, facilities, etc.  The source of this funding can be federal, state, or local governement as well as corporate or private donations.  Regardless of where this money comes from it needs to come from somewhere and when the smoke clears if you didn't pay the balance then the community did in one way or another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Volunteer fire departments may well be more efficient , but as this is a reply to the humorous parent regarding socialist fire departments I would say volunteer fire departments are no less such .
The term " volunteer " refers to the firefighters volunteering to be on call rather as opposed to full time employees , it does not necessarily mean they work for free .
Volunteer fire departments still require funding like any service to maintain their equipment , facilities , etc .
The source of this funding can be federal , state , or local governement as well as corporate or private donations .
Regardless of where this money comes from it needs to come from somewhere and when the smoke clears if you did n't pay the balance then the community did in one way or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Volunteer fire departments may well be more efficient, but as this is a reply to the humorous parent regarding socialist fire departments I would say volunteer fire departments are no less such.
The term "volunteer" refers to the firefighters volunteering to be on call rather as opposed to full time employees, it does not necessarily mean they work for free.
Volunteer fire departments still require funding like any service to maintain their equipment, facilities, etc.
The source of this funding can be federal, state, or local governement as well as corporate or private donations.
Regardless of where this money comes from it needs to come from somewhere and when the smoke clears if you didn't pay the balance then the community did in one way or another.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911745</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912729</id>
	<title>Re:End of Suburbia</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1256839860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.</p><p>Yes, we need to replace our roads with mass transit solutions, like buses... oh, shit.</p><p>Or systems like BART that cost a billion dollars per quarter mile! Oh, wait, we're talking about wastes of money...</p><p>Perhaps we could take an approach like what LA did, which was back in the 1970s to defund development on interstates and pour the money into mass transit solutions like light rail and buses. And now LA has the best traffic in the nation! Look at the difference between LA (which defunded road development) and Orange County, which has been conducting extensive interstate development to local roads. Wait, what? LA traffic is a horrible snarl that only unclogs when you get to the border with Orange County? Shit.</p><p>I guess all our hippie ideas are wrong, aren't they?</p><p>Fuck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.Yes , we need to replace our roads with mass transit solutions , like buses... oh , shit.Or systems like BART that cost a billion dollars per quarter mile !
Oh , wait , we 're talking about wastes of money...Perhaps we could take an approach like what LA did , which was back in the 1970s to defund development on interstates and pour the money into mass transit solutions like light rail and buses .
And now LA has the best traffic in the nation !
Look at the difference between LA ( which defunded road development ) and Orange County , which has been conducting extensive interstate development to local roads .
Wait , what ?
LA traffic is a horrible snarl that only unclogs when you get to the border with Orange County ?
Shit.I guess all our hippie ideas are wrong , are n't they ? Fuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.Yes, we need to replace our roads with mass transit solutions, like buses... oh, shit.Or systems like BART that cost a billion dollars per quarter mile!
Oh, wait, we're talking about wastes of money...Perhaps we could take an approach like what LA did, which was back in the 1970s to defund development on interstates and pour the money into mass transit solutions like light rail and buses.
And now LA has the best traffic in the nation!
Look at the difference between LA (which defunded road development) and Orange County, which has been conducting extensive interstate development to local roads.
Wait, what?
LA traffic is a horrible snarl that only unclogs when you get to the border with Orange County?
Shit.I guess all our hippie ideas are wrong, aren't they?Fuck.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909405</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914817</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256848200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who do you imagine paid for this service if not taxpayers?</p><p>"Volunteer" fire departments are not free; they are simply staffed by non-full time fire fighters.  They are compensated in full for their time spent responding to calls by the municipality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who do you imagine paid for this service if not taxpayers ?
" Volunteer " fire departments are not free ; they are simply staffed by non-full time fire fighters .
They are compensated in full for their time spent responding to calls by the municipality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who do you imagine paid for this service if not taxpayers?
"Volunteer" fire departments are not free; they are simply staffed by non-full time fire fighters.
They are compensated in full for their time spent responding to calls by the municipality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911745</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913917</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256844480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913243</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256841900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because here is how it would work on practice:<br>--you buy you insurance for 20$<br>--your house burn and they extinguish the fire<br>--they bill you for 7000$ anyway because your fire was not covered according to the contract (too bad you forgot to read the fine print).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because here is how it would work on practice : --you buy you insurance for 20 $ --your house burn and they extinguish the fire--they bill you for 7000 $ anyway because your fire was not covered according to the contract ( too bad you forgot to read the fine print ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because here is how it would work on practice:--you buy you insurance for 20$--your house burn and they extinguish the fire--they bill you for 7000$ anyway because your fire was not covered according to the contract (too bad you forgot to read the fine print).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909809</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1256829180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dunno, they got what they wanted in the first place, fiber<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dunno , they got what they wanted in the first place , fiber ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dunno, they got what they wanted in the first place, fiber ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908827</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909797</id>
	<title>It would be awesome if...</title>
	<author>srees</author>
	<datestamp>1256829120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow...I guess it's up to the citizens of Monticello to poke the telco in the eye again, and boycott their service for being dweebs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow...I guess it 's up to the citizens of Monticello to poke the telco in the eye again , and boycott their service for being dweebs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow...I guess it's up to the citizens of Monticello to poke the telco in the eye again, and boycott their service for being dweebs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920721</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1256838780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'd have a bunch of one-in-one-out 'corporate neighborhoods' that would guarantee that you'd have to drive 50 miles to get to a competitor's store.  Much like how strip malls and other things in urban areas will forgo the money required to add an extra two feet to one part of their parking lot to make it connect to someone else's.  So you realize you missed the turn off, and now you have to cross traffic two more times to get to a parking lot literally two feet away from you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'd have a bunch of one-in-one-out 'corporate neighborhoods ' that would guarantee that you 'd have to drive 50 miles to get to a competitor 's store .
Much like how strip malls and other things in urban areas will forgo the money required to add an extra two feet to one part of their parking lot to make it connect to someone else 's .
So you realize you missed the turn off , and now you have to cross traffic two more times to get to a parking lot literally two feet away from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'd have a bunch of one-in-one-out 'corporate neighborhoods' that would guarantee that you'd have to drive 50 miles to get to a competitor's store.
Much like how strip malls and other things in urban areas will forgo the money required to add an extra two feet to one part of their parking lot to make it connect to someone else's.
So you realize you missed the turn off, and now you have to cross traffic two more times to get to a parking lot literally two feet away from you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909043</id>
	<title>insult</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the city and residents want to really make a point and add insult to financial injury, they should simply ignore TDS' offerings and go ahead and build their own system, making TDS suffer the embarrassment of being screwed over for not taking the town's needs/wishes seriously as well as throwing away however many millions of dollars due to nothing more than ego.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the city and residents want to really make a point and add insult to financial injury , they should simply ignore TDS ' offerings and go ahead and build their own system , making TDS suffer the embarrassment of being screwed over for not taking the town 's needs/wishes seriously as well as throwing away however many millions of dollars due to nothing more than ego .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the city and residents want to really make a point and add insult to financial injury, they should simply ignore TDS' offerings and go ahead and build their own system, making TDS suffer the embarrassment of being screwed over for not taking the town's needs/wishes seriously as well as throwing away however many millions of dollars due to nothing more than ego.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912091</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1256837640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US you can sue someone for pretty much ANY reason.  Or no reason at all.<br>It doesn't mean you'll WIN.  But with the court system, unless you have a very clear-cut case, them with the deepest pockets win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US you can sue someone for pretty much ANY reason .
Or no reason at all.It does n't mean you 'll WIN .
But with the court system , unless you have a very clear-cut case , them with the deepest pockets win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US you can sue someone for pretty much ANY reason.
Or no reason at all.It doesn't mean you'll WIN.
But with the court system, unless you have a very clear-cut case, them with the deepest pockets win.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909383</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>daniel.b.douglas</author>
	<datestamp>1256827140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, for a period of America's early history there were many privatized roads - the word turnpike actually comes from the idea of having a pointy gate (resembling a row of pikes) that is turned aside to let a horseman or wagon pass only after a toll is paid.  I'm not sure if any toll roads today are privately operated, but it is the same idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , for a period of America 's early history there were many privatized roads - the word turnpike actually comes from the idea of having a pointy gate ( resembling a row of pikes ) that is turned aside to let a horseman or wagon pass only after a toll is paid .
I 'm not sure if any toll roads today are privately operated , but it is the same idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, for a period of America's early history there were many privatized roads - the word turnpike actually comes from the idea of having a pointy gate (resembling a row of pikes) that is turned aside to let a horseman or wagon pass only after a toll is paid.
I'm not sure if any toll roads today are privately operated, but it is the same idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909737</id>
	<title>Corporate welfare state</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256828820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.</p></div><p>
Exclusive deals usually go sour before the ink is dry.  It's not a new problem and if it were easily solved, it would be solved by now.
Here's the obligatory quote summing up the problem:
</p><blockquote><div><p>"<em>There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country
the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit
out of the public for a number of years, the government and the
courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the
future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary
public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute
nor common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right
to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped or
turned back, for their private benefit.</em>"<br>
--Robert A. Heinlein</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
 It's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts .
Exclusive deals usually go sour before the ink is dry .
It 's not a new problem and if it were easily solved , it would be solved by now .
Here 's the obligatory quote summing up the problem : " There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years , the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future , even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest .
This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law .
Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped or turned back , for their private benefit .
" --Robert A. Heinlein It 's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.
Exclusive deals usually go sour before the ink is dry.
It's not a new problem and if it were easily solved, it would be solved by now.
Here's the obligatory quote summing up the problem:
"There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country
the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit
out of the public for a number of years, the government and the
courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the
future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary
public interest.
This strange doctrine is not supported by statute
nor common law.
Neither individuals nor corporations have any right
to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped or
turned back, for their private benefit.
"
--Robert A. Heinlein

 It's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908827</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908851</id>
	<title>Revoke TDS' exclusive license</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256824080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problem solved.  Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem solved .
Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem solved.
Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909405</id>
	<title>End of Suburbia</title>
	<author>Conzar</author>
	<datestamp>1256827320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish this would have been so.  The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.  It is also unsustainable.  When the oil production starts to decline, "trucking" in food and products from around the world to suburbia will drastically increase in price and eventually will stop in most parts of the country..  Please see "End of Suburbia" for more information.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish this would have been so .
The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources .
It is also unsustainable .
When the oil production starts to decline , " trucking " in food and products from around the world to suburbia will drastically increase in price and eventually will stop in most parts of the country.. Please see " End of Suburbia " for more information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish this would have been so.
The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.
It is also unsustainable.
When the oil production starts to decline, "trucking" in food and products from around the world to suburbia will drastically increase in price and eventually will stop in most parts of the country..  Please see "End of Suburbia" for more information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909621</id>
	<title>Just too greedy</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1256828340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's like the electric companies taking the city to court for allowing a band of citizens from using solar panels to get their electricity.<br>Seriously, they are way too greedy, and need to be reminded how this works. If citizens bought the optic fiber and lay it down at their cost from house to house, to share within their own network , the advantage of using optic fiber, then so be it, how can you say they do not have the right, especially if it was voted on and passed as a bill by the council themselves. They make the rules about what goes into the ground in the city, not the telcom companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like the electric companies taking the city to court for allowing a band of citizens from using solar panels to get their electricity.Seriously , they are way too greedy , and need to be reminded how this works .
If citizens bought the optic fiber and lay it down at their cost from house to house , to share within their own network , the advantage of using optic fiber , then so be it , how can you say they do not have the right , especially if it was voted on and passed as a bill by the council themselves .
They make the rules about what goes into the ground in the city , not the telcom companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like the electric companies taking the city to court for allowing a band of citizens from using solar panels to get their electricity.Seriously, they are way too greedy, and need to be reminded how this works.
If citizens bought the optic fiber and lay it down at their cost from house to house, to share within their own network , the advantage of using optic fiber, then so be it, how can you say they do not have the right, especially if it was voted on and passed as a bill by the council themselves.
They make the rules about what goes into the ground in the city, not the telcom companies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909577</id>
	<title>We've covered this before (old news)</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1256828220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Telco Sues Municipality For Laying Their Own Fiber</b> on Friday September 12 2008, @08:28PM
<a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiber" title="slashdot.org">http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiber</a> [slashdot.org]

<b>Your Rights Online: Judge Tosses Telco Suit Over City-Owned Network</b> on Friday October 10 2008, @08:23AM
<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Network" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Network</a> [slashdot.org]

<b>Telco Appeals Minnesota City's Fiber-Optic Win</b> on Saturday November 08 2008, @11:15AM
<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Telco Sues Municipality For Laying Their Own Fiber on Friday September 12 2008 , @ 08 : 28PM http : //tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiber [ slashdot.org ] Your Rights Online : Judge Tosses Telco Suit Over City-Owned Network on Friday October 10 2008 , @ 08 : 23AM http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Network [ slashdot.org ] Telco Appeals Minnesota City 's Fiber-Optic Win on Saturday November 08 2008 , @ 11 : 15AM http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Telco Sues Municipality For Laying Their Own Fiber on Friday September 12 2008, @08:28PM
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiber [slashdot.org]

Your Rights Online: Judge Tosses Telco Suit Over City-Owned Network on Friday October 10 2008, @08:23AM
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Network [slashdot.org]

Telco Appeals Minnesota City's Fiber-Optic Win on Saturday November 08 2008, @11:15AM
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932367</id>
	<title>legal system</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256926980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We have 17 year olds, here in Australia, who can kill people, and get 2.5-3 years for it, in a youth training centre. The police do their job. The lawyers do theirs. Every other part of the system works; except the judges.</i></p><p>If your judges aren't doing their job, or you don't like how they're doing it either change the laws or fire the judges.</p><p>You could also use <a href="http://www.greenmac.com/eagle/ISSUES/ISSUE23-9/07JuryNullification.html" title="greenmac.com">jury jullification</a> [greenmac.com] against laws you think are bad.  I was called up to show for jury duty twice and both tymes I was hoping I'd be picked to serve on a jury where I could use jury nullification, such as a drug possession or trafficking case.</p><p><i>Unlike most people, I don't have such a big issue with lawyers; because I say to any judge who reads this, that I know where the fault with the system really is. It isn't with them, judges. It's with you.</i></p><p>What are you doing to change the system?  If nothing you're part of the problem.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have 17 year olds , here in Australia , who can kill people , and get 2.5-3 years for it , in a youth training centre .
The police do their job .
The lawyers do theirs .
Every other part of the system works ; except the judges.If your judges are n't doing their job , or you do n't like how they 're doing it either change the laws or fire the judges.You could also use jury jullification [ greenmac.com ] against laws you think are bad .
I was called up to show for jury duty twice and both tymes I was hoping I 'd be picked to serve on a jury where I could use jury nullification , such as a drug possession or trafficking case.Unlike most people , I do n't have such a big issue with lawyers ; because I say to any judge who reads this , that I know where the fault with the system really is .
It is n't with them , judges .
It 's with you.What are you doing to change the system ?
If nothing you 're part of the problem .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have 17 year olds, here in Australia, who can kill people, and get 2.5-3 years for it, in a youth training centre.
The police do their job.
The lawyers do theirs.
Every other part of the system works; except the judges.If your judges aren't doing their job, or you don't like how they're doing it either change the laws or fire the judges.You could also use jury jullification [greenmac.com] against laws you think are bad.
I was called up to show for jury duty twice and both tymes I was hoping I'd be picked to serve on a jury where I could use jury nullification, such as a drug possession or trafficking case.Unlike most people, I don't have such a big issue with lawyers; because I say to any judge who reads this, that I know where the fault with the system really is.
It isn't with them, judges.
It's with you.What are you doing to change the system?
If nothing you're part of the problem.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911333</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the government would have to reverse the monopoly on right of way it gave to the existing companies. No right of way = no network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the government would have to reverse the monopoly on right of way it gave to the existing companies .
No right of way = no network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the government would have to reverse the monopoly on right of way it gave to the existing companies.
No right of way = no network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909347</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920971</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256843340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, this is an old article that has been covered at least twice if not three times before on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.  (Is Maximum PC really hurting that much for current stories or have they finally hit the end of the road when it comes to how to mod your computer case articles?)</p><p>Nevertheless, I believe one of the old articles pointed to the actual court briefs and was worded such as TDS felt that the city was infringing on a private enterprise and I believe that's what they felt they could win in court.  Obviously the appeals judge in MN didn't agree.</p><p>I'd side with Monticello except are there really any cases of a government ISP-only fiber network actually running well and making a profit?  (I ask in all seriousness b/c it seems we have articles on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. about someone's super cool FIOS or UVerse connection but not about the government-backed ISP speeds).  Certainly not all government ISP projects have been sued (a few wireless government ISPs come to mind) so you'd think there's a story there about one of these projects actually succeeding.</p><p>Seems to me that the telcos and cables of the world wind up amatorizing the cost of the fiber (or whatever infrastructure they've installed (coax?) by putting all other kinds of services on it like voice and TV.  Can ISP alone really cover the cost?</p><p>And where or where can Monticello hook up for an Internet connection?  From TDS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , this is an old article that has been covered at least twice if not three times before on / .
( Is Maximum PC really hurting that much for current stories or have they finally hit the end of the road when it comes to how to mod your computer case articles ?
) Nevertheless , I believe one of the old articles pointed to the actual court briefs and was worded such as TDS felt that the city was infringing on a private enterprise and I believe that 's what they felt they could win in court .
Obviously the appeals judge in MN did n't agree.I 'd side with Monticello except are there really any cases of a government ISP-only fiber network actually running well and making a profit ?
( I ask in all seriousness b/c it seems we have articles on / .
about someone 's super cool FIOS or UVerse connection but not about the government-backed ISP speeds ) .
Certainly not all government ISP projects have been sued ( a few wireless government ISPs come to mind ) so you 'd think there 's a story there about one of these projects actually succeeding.Seems to me that the telcos and cables of the world wind up amatorizing the cost of the fiber ( or whatever infrastructure they 've installed ( coax ?
) by putting all other kinds of services on it like voice and TV .
Can ISP alone really cover the cost ? And where or where can Monticello hook up for an Internet connection ?
From TDS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, this is an old article that has been covered at least twice if not three times before on /.
(Is Maximum PC really hurting that much for current stories or have they finally hit the end of the road when it comes to how to mod your computer case articles?
)Nevertheless, I believe one of the old articles pointed to the actual court briefs and was worded such as TDS felt that the city was infringing on a private enterprise and I believe that's what they felt they could win in court.
Obviously the appeals judge in MN didn't agree.I'd side with Monticello except are there really any cases of a government ISP-only fiber network actually running well and making a profit?
(I ask in all seriousness b/c it seems we have articles on /.
about someone's super cool FIOS or UVerse connection but not about the government-backed ISP speeds).
Certainly not all government ISP projects have been sued (a few wireless government ISPs come to mind) so you'd think there's a story there about one of these projects actually succeeding.Seems to me that the telcos and cables of the world wind up amatorizing the cost of the fiber (or whatever infrastructure they've installed (coax?
) by putting all other kinds of services on it like voice and TV.
Can ISP alone really cover the cost?And where or where can Monticello hook up for an Internet connection?
From TDS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909429</id>
	<title>Talk about covering your Butt!</title>
	<author>kenbo0422</author>
	<datestamp>1256827440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The get sued for not providing a fiberoptic system.  The lawsuit prompts them to put one in to cover their butts, while not allowing the municipality to go forward with a publicly voted referendum to have a 'city system'.  Sounds lop sided to me.  THEN they have the cahunas to sue the city for trying to put in their own system?  Bull!  Sounds like a fair market competition to me.  The city profits the same as a telcom would.  Sounds also like the telcom is about to have a real rough time getting permits to do anything, much less put in fiberoptics.  It'll make their costs go up and the city's alternative look better.  Somebody here said something about 'shooting themselves in the foot'?  Nailed it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The get sued for not providing a fiberoptic system .
The lawsuit prompts them to put one in to cover their butts , while not allowing the municipality to go forward with a publicly voted referendum to have a 'city system' .
Sounds lop sided to me .
THEN they have the cahunas to sue the city for trying to put in their own system ?
Bull ! Sounds like a fair market competition to me .
The city profits the same as a telcom would .
Sounds also like the telcom is about to have a real rough time getting permits to do anything , much less put in fiberoptics .
It 'll make their costs go up and the city 's alternative look better .
Somebody here said something about 'shooting themselves in the foot ' ?
Nailed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The get sued for not providing a fiberoptic system.
The lawsuit prompts them to put one in to cover their butts, while not allowing the municipality to go forward with a publicly voted referendum to have a 'city system'.
Sounds lop sided to me.
THEN they have the cahunas to sue the city for trying to put in their own system?
Bull!  Sounds like a fair market competition to me.
The city profits the same as a telcom would.
Sounds also like the telcom is about to have a real rough time getting permits to do anything, much less put in fiberoptics.
It'll make their costs go up and the city's alternative look better.
Somebody here said something about 'shooting themselves in the foot'?
Nailed it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909145</id>
	<title>Wiring is infrastructure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm as free market as anybody, but wiring is infrastructure, and I don't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government. Let the local government, through the power utility, run fiber optic to everyplace that receives power, unless a private company provides a 100MB connection to the house for less than $20. That 100MB line should have low enough latency to provide live TV and VOIP phone connections. If the private companies won't build a better product than can be provided publicly, they shouldn't expect protection from competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm as free market as anybody , but wiring is infrastructure , and I do n't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government .
Let the local government , through the power utility , run fiber optic to everyplace that receives power , unless a private company provides a 100MB connection to the house for less than $ 20 .
That 100MB line should have low enough latency to provide live TV and VOIP phone connections .
If the private companies wo n't build a better product than can be provided publicly , they should n't expect protection from competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm as free market as anybody, but wiring is infrastructure, and I don't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government.
Let the local government, through the power utility, run fiber optic to everyplace that receives power, unless a private company provides a 100MB connection to the house for less than $20.
That 100MB line should have low enough latency to provide live TV and VOIP phone connections.
If the private companies won't build a better product than can be provided publicly, they shouldn't expect protection from competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911767</id>
	<title>Sue your potential customers ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256836380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder who they got that idea from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder who they got that idea from ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder who they got that idea from ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914527</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Areyoukiddingme</author>
	<datestamp>1256846940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm betting the first truck that arrived was also a PICKUP truck, not a pumper truck.  I'm not impressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm betting the first truck that arrived was also a PICKUP truck , not a pumper truck .
I 'm not impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm betting the first truck that arrived was also a PICKUP truck, not a pumper truck.
I'm not impressed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909347</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1256826960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, rather than deploy it as a government system, why not deploy it as a non-profit cooperative?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , rather than deploy it as a government system , why not deploy it as a non-profit cooperative ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, rather than deploy it as a government system, why not deploy it as a non-profit cooperative?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908985</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912465</id>
	<title>Re:End of Suburbia</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1256838840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love suburbia, and anyone who poo-poos trucking in food is a moron. Seriously it's huge more efficient then rpetty much any other means of getting food to people, especially compared to small farms.</p><p>Without suburbia, everyone would be packed into a cite and STILL need food trucked to thenm, no only that, the roads would be worse because so much stuff would be delivered to them. See Manahattan as a prime example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love suburbia , and anyone who poo-poos trucking in food is a moron .
Seriously it 's huge more efficient then rpetty much any other means of getting food to people , especially compared to small farms.Without suburbia , everyone would be packed into a cite and STILL need food trucked to thenm , no only that , the roads would be worse because so much stuff would be delivered to them .
See Manahattan as a prime example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love suburbia, and anyone who poo-poos trucking in food is a moron.
Seriously it's huge more efficient then rpetty much any other means of getting food to people, especially compared to small farms.Without suburbia, everyone would be packed into a cite and STILL need food trucked to thenm, no only that, the roads would be worse because so much stuff would be delivered to them.
See Manahattan as a prime example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911443</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Wonko the Sane</author>
	<datestamp>1256835360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And this book in the 80's described Second Life perfectly. Very creepy</p></div></blockquote><p>Not so creepy when you know that the founders of Second Life read Snow Crash and intentionally tried to build the system described in the book.</p><p>Same with Google Earth.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And this book in the 80 's described Second Life perfectly .
Very creepyNot so creepy when you know that the founders of Second Life read Snow Crash and intentionally tried to build the system described in the book.Same with Google Earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this book in the 80's described Second Life perfectly.
Very creepyNot so creepy when you know that the founders of Second Life read Snow Crash and intentionally tried to build the system described in the book.Same with Google Earth.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909767</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29915301</id>
	<title>Re:We've covered this before (old news)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256806800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually did a quick check of the date when I saw this article.  Was hoping maybe there was actually something new here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually did a quick check of the date when I saw this article .
Was hoping maybe there was actually something new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually did a quick check of the date when I saw this article.
Was hoping maybe there was actually something new here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908985</id>
	<title>I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>dunezone</author>
	<datestamp>1256825100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago. The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV, Phone, Internet, over fiber-optic.
<br>
<br>
Comcast did a massive advertisement campaign against the system and how if it failed we would foot the bill. They also had techncians out for three weeks straight installing new lines across the town. When it came to vote in my city of the three city's it failed 6000 votes to like 7500 votes, the funny part is, if the 6000 people who voted yes bought into the system and the system lasted for 5 years it would have paid itself and would have become self-sustaining.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago .
The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV , Phone , Internet , over fiber-optic .
Comcast did a massive advertisement campaign against the system and how if it failed we would foot the bill .
They also had techncians out for three weeks straight installing new lines across the town .
When it came to vote in my city of the three city 's it failed 6000 votes to like 7500 votes , the funny part is , if the 6000 people who voted yes bought into the system and the system lasted for 5 years it would have paid itself and would have become self-sustaining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago.
The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV, Phone, Internet, over fiber-optic.
Comcast did a massive advertisement campaign against the system and how if it failed we would foot the bill.
They also had techncians out for three weeks straight installing new lines across the town.
When it came to vote in my city of the three city's it failed 6000 votes to like 7500 votes, the funny part is, if the 6000 people who voted yes bought into the system and the system lasted for 5 years it would have paid itself and would have become self-sustaining.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29923321</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256915460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the exclusive contracts are practically ancient.  The one where I live dates from the 1970s or very early 80s and was to a small cable company that was bought up by comcraptic which resulted in a degradation of service and continuously rising rates for less and less along with nickling and diming of addons, e.g. converter boxes.  (Guess that they really don't want customers, then again they have no competition unless you go satellite which is impractical for networking.)</p><p>Anyways, HORRORZ!  They will have competitionz!  They might actually have to provide servicez now and watch their ratez hikingz...  If nothing else it forced them to actually install fiber optic cable.  (Oh my godz! They had teh spendz da moneyz on their networkz.  The shame, the horror!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the exclusive contracts are practically ancient .
The one where I live dates from the 1970s or very early 80s and was to a small cable company that was bought up by comcraptic which resulted in a degradation of service and continuously rising rates for less and less along with nickling and diming of addons , e.g .
converter boxes .
( Guess that they really do n't want customers , then again they have no competition unless you go satellite which is impractical for networking .
) Anyways , HORRORZ !
They will have competitionz !
They might actually have to provide servicez now and watch their ratez hikingz... If nothing else it forced them to actually install fiber optic cable .
( Oh my godz !
They had teh spendz da moneyz on their networkz .
The shame , the horror !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the exclusive contracts are practically ancient.
The one where I live dates from the 1970s or very early 80s and was to a small cable company that was bought up by comcraptic which resulted in a degradation of service and continuously rising rates for less and less along with nickling and diming of addons, e.g.
converter boxes.
(Guess that they really don't want customers, then again they have no competition unless you go satellite which is impractical for networking.
)Anyways, HORRORZ!
They will have competitionz!
They might actually have to provide servicez now and watch their ratez hikingz...  If nothing else it forced them to actually install fiber optic cable.
(Oh my godz!
They had teh spendz da moneyz on their networkz.
The shame, the horror!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29929615</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>AUX4Ever</author>
	<datestamp>1256902080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As one of these true socialists (I am a volunteer firefighter, no capitalist pig pays my salary), I wish I had mod points.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As one of these true socialists ( I am a volunteer firefighter , no capitalist pig pays my salary ) , I wish I had mod points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one of these true socialists (I am a volunteer firefighter, no capitalist pig pays my salary), I wish I had mod points.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910451</id>
	<title>OK, let me shoot your barrel full of holes.</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1256831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is the fun part.</p><p>Answer this:  You need to increase taxes because your budget does not support all the money you pay out.</p><p>The problem: The citizens do not want more taxes and are vocal about it.</p><p>Solution : Threaten to close fire stations, police sub stations, lay off nurses in schools.</p><p>Guess what, I don't want to be beholden to my local, state, or Federal government, for all services because they use them as a club to condition our behavior.  Atlanta did just this recently.  Closed these stations and such instead of ditching cronies and dead weight.  So instead of budgeting properly they did by threat; they even carried it out.</p><p>So, when people bring up the fire department analogy I like to show the real dark side of that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is the fun part.Answer this : You need to increase taxes because your budget does not support all the money you pay out.The problem : The citizens do not want more taxes and are vocal about it.Solution : Threaten to close fire stations , police sub stations , lay off nurses in schools.Guess what , I do n't want to be beholden to my local , state , or Federal government , for all services because they use them as a club to condition our behavior .
Atlanta did just this recently .
Closed these stations and such instead of ditching cronies and dead weight .
So instead of budgeting properly they did by threat ; they even carried it out.So , when people bring up the fire department analogy I like to show the real dark side of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is the fun part.Answer this:  You need to increase taxes because your budget does not support all the money you pay out.The problem: The citizens do not want more taxes and are vocal about it.Solution : Threaten to close fire stations, police sub stations, lay off nurses in schools.Guess what, I don't want to be beholden to my local, state, or Federal government, for all services because they use them as a club to condition our behavior.
Atlanta did just this recently.
Closed these stations and such instead of ditching cronies and dead weight.
So instead of budgeting properly they did by threat; they even carried it out.So, when people bring up the fire department analogy I like to show the real dark side of that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909833</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1256829240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are right, the interstates would never have been built under those circumstances. If private companies had built it, we'd be getting ass-raped once for every foot we traveled on them. Leads me to wonder how the internet would have evolved if we had gone the same route with our internet infrastructure as we had with the interstate system. The internet bubble might not have happened and we'd probably still be riding the vertical spike in our economy today!
<br>
<br>

-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right , the interstates would never have been built under those circumstances .
If private companies had built it , we 'd be getting ass-raped once for every foot we traveled on them .
Leads me to wonder how the internet would have evolved if we had gone the same route with our internet infrastructure as we had with the interstate system .
The internet bubble might not have happened and we 'd probably still be riding the vertical spike in our economy today !
-Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right, the interstates would never have been built under those circumstances.
If private companies had built it, we'd be getting ass-raped once for every foot we traveled on them.
Leads me to wonder how the internet would have evolved if we had gone the same route with our internet infrastructure as we had with the interstate system.
The internet bubble might not have happened and we'd probably still be riding the vertical spike in our economy today!
-Oz</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909189</id>
	<title>Shooting themselves in the foot...</title>
	<author>PhysicsPhil</author>
	<datestamp>1256826180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what we've learned from this is that if a city wants to get fibre deployment in their area, all they have to do is threaten to do it themselves.  Then private companies will fall all over themselves to provide the services immediately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what we 've learned from this is that if a city wants to get fibre deployment in their area , all they have to do is threaten to do it themselves .
Then private companies will fall all over themselves to provide the services immediately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what we've learned from this is that if a city wants to get fibre deployment in their area, all they have to do is threaten to do it themselves.
Then private companies will fall all over themselves to provide the services immediately.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932781</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I think most people would get behind privatizing roads, so long as it was done in a fair way (ie sold to the highest bidder</i></p><p>A fair way, by selling to the highest bidder?  Guess what, the highest bidder is going to have to have high tolls to pay for it.  Thus you'd be paying more.</p><p><i>How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government?</i></p><p>By the government taking land away from those who owned it and giving it to robber barons.  If those businesses who built railroads had to buy the land from those who owned it instead of using government force most if not all railroads who never have been built.  You deplore what government has done but don't acknowledge what government did for those railroads.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most people would get behind privatizing roads , so long as it was done in a fair way ( ie sold to the highest bidderA fair way , by selling to the highest bidder ?
Guess what , the highest bidder is going to have to have high tolls to pay for it .
Thus you 'd be paying more.How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government ? By the government taking land away from those who owned it and giving it to robber barons .
If those businesses who built railroads had to buy the land from those who owned it instead of using government force most if not all railroads who never have been built .
You deplore what government has done but do n't acknowledge what government did for those railroads .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most people would get behind privatizing roads, so long as it was done in a fair way (ie sold to the highest bidderA fair way, by selling to the highest bidder?
Guess what, the highest bidder is going to have to have high tolls to pay for it.
Thus you'd be paying more.How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government?By the government taking land away from those who owned it and giving it to robber barons.
If those businesses who built railroads had to buy the land from those who owned it instead of using government force most if not all railroads who never have been built.
You deplore what government has done but don't acknowledge what government did for those railroads.
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911935</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909083</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>TimeElf1</author>
	<datestamp>1256825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I would rather have a fire department paid for by my taxes than having this sort of thing occur:
<br>
<b>Nameless person:</b> Help my house is burning down!
<br>
<b>Fire department:</b> We can help we take Visa or Mastercard.
<br>
<b>Nameless person:</b> Hands the fire department person a Visa.
<br>
<b>Fire department:</b> Sorry, that card was denied.
<br>
<b>Nameless person:</b> What about my house?
<br>
<b>Fire department:</b> Sorry, no pay no spray.
<br>
Nameless person watches their house burn down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I would rather have a fire department paid for by my taxes than having this sort of thing occur : Nameless person : Help my house is burning down !
Fire department : We can help we take Visa or Mastercard .
Nameless person : Hands the fire department person a Visa .
Fire department : Sorry , that card was denied .
Nameless person : What about my house ?
Fire department : Sorry , no pay no spray .
Nameless person watches their house burn down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I would rather have a fire department paid for by my taxes than having this sort of thing occur:

Nameless person: Help my house is burning down!
Fire department: We can help we take Visa or Mastercard.
Nameless person: Hands the fire department person a Visa.
Fire department: Sorry, that card was denied.
Nameless person: What about my house?
Fire department: Sorry, no pay no spray.
Nameless person watches their house burn down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29925585</id>
	<title>Re:Greenlight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256924820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's pretty much ($130 total incl tax) what I pay for FIOS in NJ with 20/5 (definitely 20 not sure about the 5), 1 HD DVR w 1 premium and unlimited phone.  I expected greenlight to be less expensive.  Granted cable there might be a total ripoff and this is a great deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's pretty much ( $ 130 total incl tax ) what I pay for FIOS in NJ with 20/5 ( definitely 20 not sure about the 5 ) , 1 HD DVR w 1 premium and unlimited phone .
I expected greenlight to be less expensive .
Granted cable there might be a total ripoff and this is a great deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's pretty much ($130 total incl tax) what I pay for FIOS in NJ with 20/5 (definitely 20 not sure about the 5), 1 HD DVR w 1 premium and unlimited phone.
I expected greenlight to be less expensive.
Granted cable there might be a total ripoff and this is a great deal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911149</id>
	<title>Re:Corporate welfare state</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I'm impressed a quote from Heinlein that I agree with strongly, usually I find him to have been a bit dumb and a bit far to the right.  Granted, according to wikiquote, he made it in 1939 in "Life-Line", when he was a fairly left-wing socialist.  It took Heinlein until his third marriage in 1947 for him to become the wacky right-winger I question the sanity of.  Heinlein wrote "Starship Troopers" in support of the actions of the rabidly anti-communist Joseph McCarthy and HUAC, and the whole affair with HUAC obviously looks pretty bad today.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I 'm impressed a quote from Heinlein that I agree with strongly , usually I find him to have been a bit dumb and a bit far to the right .
Granted , according to wikiquote , he made it in 1939 in " Life-Line " , when he was a fairly left-wing socialist .
It took Heinlein until his third marriage in 1947 for him to become the wacky right-winger I question the sanity of .
Heinlein wrote " Starship Troopers " in support of the actions of the rabidly anti-communist Joseph McCarthy and HUAC , and the whole affair with HUAC obviously looks pretty bad today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I'm impressed a quote from Heinlein that I agree with strongly, usually I find him to have been a bit dumb and a bit far to the right.
Granted, according to wikiquote, he made it in 1939 in "Life-Line", when he was a fairly left-wing socialist.
It took Heinlein until his third marriage in 1947 for him to become the wacky right-winger I question the sanity of.
Heinlein wrote "Starship Troopers" in support of the actions of the rabidly anti-communist Joseph McCarthy and HUAC, and the whole affair with HUAC obviously looks pretty bad today.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913471</id>
	<title>Re:To All The Constitution Advocates</title>
	<author>IndigoDarkwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256842920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, Ventura. The most overruled governor in the state's history. At least he forced the two sides to actually work with each other and compromise in order to get anything done. I think there's some value in that. He also seemed to spend a lot of time hobnobbing in Japan. I wonder if the state got any good business from that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , Ventura .
The most overruled governor in the state 's history .
At least he forced the two sides to actually work with each other and compromise in order to get anything done .
I think there 's some value in that .
He also seemed to spend a lot of time hobnobbing in Japan .
I wonder if the state got any good business from that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, Ventura.
The most overruled governor in the state's history.
At least he forced the two sides to actually work with each other and compromise in order to get anything done.
I think there's some value in that.
He also seemed to spend a lot of time hobnobbing in Japan.
I wonder if the state got any good business from that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909615</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909119</id>
	<title>Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... on what grounds TDS sued the town?  This is not explained in the article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... on what grounds TDS sued the town ?
This is not explained in the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... on what grounds TDS sued the town?
This is not explained in the article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29915561</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1256807760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms. But it doesn't. Why?</p></div><p>What makes you think it doesn't? I haven't seen a single comment supportive of TDS so far. The municipal government is hardly an ideal free-market actor, but TDS is clearly behaving worse in this case, just as TDS is clearly on the losing side of public opinion in this forum.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms .
But it does n't .
Why ? What makes you think it does n't ?
I have n't seen a single comment supportive of TDS so far .
The municipal government is hardly an ideal free-market actor , but TDS is clearly behaving worse in this case , just as TDS is clearly on the losing side of public opinion in this forum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms.
But it doesn't.
Why?What makes you think it doesn't?
I haven't seen a single comment supportive of TDS so far.
The municipal government is hardly an ideal free-market actor, but TDS is clearly behaving worse in this case, just as TDS is clearly on the losing side of public opinion in this forum.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29919271</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So, they're not friends of competition, are they?</i></p><p>Competing with the government?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they 're not friends of competition , are they ? Competing with the government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they're not friends of competition, are they?Competing with the government?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920479</id>
	<title>What we need here is...</title>
	<author>Sun.Jedi</author>
	<datestamp>1256836020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... a well placed town backhoe trench. Oops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... a well placed town backhoe trench .
Oops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... a well placed town backhoe trench.
Oops.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909205</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and them free SOCIALIST liberries, to.  Gotta get rid of them and get owr libertees back!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and them free SOCIALIST liberries , to .
Got ta get rid of them and get owr libertees back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and them free SOCIALIST liberries, to.
Gotta get rid of them and get owr libertees back!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29921247</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1256934120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Umm, yeah, we don't need them. Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and don't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create, as they have in California, and now in Houston.</p></div><p>You realize that taxpayer money is what funds volunteer fire departments, dont you? Because people volunteer to be a fireman at one doesnt magically make a bunch of fire trucks and the fire house and the property and the related taxes appear. Just like volunteer EMS stations... oh, and by the way, you'll find that there are still a number of non-volunteer people who work at either.

</p><p>Really, research it. I dont have to. I do work for a few of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , yeah , we do n't need them .
Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and do n't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create , as they have in California , and now in Houston.You realize that taxpayer money is what funds volunteer fire departments , dont you ?
Because people volunteer to be a fireman at one doesnt magically make a bunch of fire trucks and the fire house and the property and the related taxes appear .
Just like volunteer EMS stations... oh , and by the way , you 'll find that there are still a number of non-volunteer people who work at either .
Really , research it .
I dont have to .
I do work for a few of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, yeah, we don't need them.
Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and don't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create, as they have in California, and now in Houston.You realize that taxpayer money is what funds volunteer fire departments, dont you?
Because people volunteer to be a fireman at one doesnt magically make a bunch of fire trucks and the fire house and the property and the related taxes appear.
Just like volunteer EMS stations... oh, and by the way, you'll find that there are still a number of non-volunteer people who work at either.
Really, research it.
I dont have to.
I do work for a few of them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911745</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912701</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256839740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiber<br>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Network<br>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiberhttp : //yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Networkhttp : //yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/09/12/2326251/Telco-Sues-Municipality-For-Laying-Their-Own-Fiberhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/10/10/1243212/Judge-Tosses-Telco-Suit-Over-City-Owned-Networkhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/11/08/1532237/Telco-Appeals-Minnesota-Citys-Fiber-Optic-Win</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908857</id>
	<title>Typical manipulation of the courts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...to further corporate greed. This is ridiculous, there should have been a "stay", "restraining order", or whatever, to stop either party from building infrastructure until a ruling could be made. At this point I almost hope the city will either reject using the network or sue to rip it up or to gain ownership.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...to further corporate greed .
This is ridiculous , there should have been a " stay " , " restraining order " , or whatever , to stop either party from building infrastructure until a ruling could be made .
At this point I almost hope the city will either reject using the network or sue to rip it up or to gain ownership .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...to further corporate greed.
This is ridiculous, there should have been a "stay", "restraining order", or whatever, to stop either party from building infrastructure until a ruling could be made.
At this point I almost hope the city will either reject using the network or sue to rip it up or to gain ownership.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910505</id>
	<title>Wrong Topic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Topic Should state "Town Gets Fiber Network by Threatening to Build Fiber Network"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Topic Should state " Town Gets Fiber Network by Threatening to Build Fiber Network "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Topic Should state "Town Gets Fiber Network by Threatening to Build Fiber Network"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920579</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Paxtez</author>
	<datestamp>1256836860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't tell if you are kidding or not. Most fire departments have volunteers in them, just not enough of them to run all the stations in the country 24/365.  How many stations do you think you could run on a volunteer basis on Christmas eve/day.  What do you do on Superbowl Sunday when the volunteers call in sick?  Hope there are no fires?</p><p>BTW: All the equipment and training are paid for by tax-payers and I think they also get things like medical and maybe retirement (as incentives to have volunteers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't tell if you are kidding or not .
Most fire departments have volunteers in them , just not enough of them to run all the stations in the country 24/365 .
How many stations do you think you could run on a volunteer basis on Christmas eve/day .
What do you do on Superbowl Sunday when the volunteers call in sick ?
Hope there are no fires ? BTW : All the equipment and training are paid for by tax-payers and I think they also get things like medical and maybe retirement ( as incentives to have volunteers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't tell if you are kidding or not.
Most fire departments have volunteers in them, just not enough of them to run all the stations in the country 24/365.
How many stations do you think you could run on a volunteer basis on Christmas eve/day.
What do you do on Superbowl Sunday when the volunteers call in sick?
Hope there are no fires?BTW: All the equipment and training are paid for by tax-payers and I think they also get things like medical and maybe retirement (as incentives to have volunteers).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911339</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256834940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, isn't this a good thing?</p><p>TDS may have won the battle against Monticello, but didn't they just lose the war? TDS lost every single legal appeal to delay the town's work just to roll out their own fiber, but isn't precedent set now in U.S. courts such that the appeals process will be shorter? Or that any new defendants can argue that a delay in implementation is merely a delaying tactic used to thwart the will of the court?</p><p>Monticello will be screwed, but won't other towns and hamlets now have case law on their side?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , is n't this a good thing ? TDS may have won the battle against Monticello , but did n't they just lose the war ?
TDS lost every single legal appeal to delay the town 's work just to roll out their own fiber , but is n't precedent set now in U.S. courts such that the appeals process will be shorter ?
Or that any new defendants can argue that a delay in implementation is merely a delaying tactic used to thwart the will of the court ? Monticello will be screwed , but wo n't other towns and hamlets now have case law on their side ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, isn't this a good thing?TDS may have won the battle against Monticello, but didn't they just lose the war?
TDS lost every single legal appeal to delay the town's work just to roll out their own fiber, but isn't precedent set now in U.S. courts such that the appeals process will be shorter?
Or that any new defendants can argue that a delay in implementation is merely a delaying tactic used to thwart the will of the court?Monticello will be screwed, but won't other towns and hamlets now have case law on their side?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908935</id>
	<title>Revenge is a dish best served cold</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256824740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It appears that TDS sells physical videos that we can buy.  Also modems.  Steal them.  Working together and using our power as consumers we could kill this giant (i.e. bankrupt the corporation), same way we did to Circuit City.</p><p>Aside -</p><p>These TDS idiots charge $35/month for 750k DSL!  Dang.  I only pay $15 for mine.   TDS is not only dishonest but also greedy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It appears that TDS sells physical videos that we can buy .
Also modems .
Steal them .
Working together and using our power as consumers we could kill this giant ( i.e .
bankrupt the corporation ) , same way we did to Circuit City.Aside -These TDS idiots charge $ 35/month for 750k DSL !
Dang. I only pay $ 15 for mine .
TDS is not only dishonest but also greedy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It appears that TDS sells physical videos that we can buy.
Also modems.
Steal them.
Working together and using our power as consumers we could kill this giant (i.e.
bankrupt the corporation), same way we did to Circuit City.Aside -These TDS idiots charge $35/month for 750k DSL!
Dang.  I only pay $15 for mine.
TDS is not only dishonest but also greedy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909453</id>
	<title>Monticello needs to talk to Bristol, Va Utilities</title>
	<author>backbyter</author>
	<datestamp>1256827560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Abingdon, VA.  Recently, BVU extended their fiber to the house (FTTH) into my neighborhood.  I was the first to have it installed on my street.</p><p>10MB service @ $55 monthly after all taxes have been applied.  They are competing against Comcast &amp; Embarq (two of my previous ISPs) and Charter &amp; Verizon, and lastly the City of Abingdon itself (both paid fiber and free wireless).</p><p>Since I live on the edge of town, I am just outside the Abingdon Wireless Mesh reach, so technically it is not available to me, nor are there any plans to make the eva fiber available any time soon.</p><p>Additionally, 3g from Verizon &amp; others are available in the area, depending on which side of which mountain you are in.</p><p>Links:<br><a href="http://www.bbpmag.com/snapshot/snap1002.php" title="bbpmag.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbpmag.com/snapshot/snap1002.php</a> [bbpmag.com]<br><a href="http://www.bvu-optinet.com/templates/default.php" title="bvu-optinet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bvu-optinet.com/templates/default.php</a> [bvu-optinet.com]<br><a href="http://www.eva.org/" title="eva.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eva.org/</a> [eva.org]<br><a href="http://www.abingdon.com/wireless/" title="abingdon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.abingdon.com/wireless/</a> [abingdon.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Abingdon , VA. Recently , BVU extended their fiber to the house ( FTTH ) into my neighborhood .
I was the first to have it installed on my street.10MB service @ $ 55 monthly after all taxes have been applied .
They are competing against Comcast &amp; Embarq ( two of my previous ISPs ) and Charter &amp; Verizon , and lastly the City of Abingdon itself ( both paid fiber and free wireless ) .Since I live on the edge of town , I am just outside the Abingdon Wireless Mesh reach , so technically it is not available to me , nor are there any plans to make the eva fiber available any time soon.Additionally , 3g from Verizon &amp; others are available in the area , depending on which side of which mountain you are in.Links : http : //www.bbpmag.com/snapshot/snap1002.php [ bbpmag.com ] http : //www.bvu-optinet.com/templates/default.php [ bvu-optinet.com ] http : //www.eva.org/ [ eva.org ] http : //www.abingdon.com/wireless/ [ abingdon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Abingdon, VA.  Recently, BVU extended their fiber to the house (FTTH) into my neighborhood.
I was the first to have it installed on my street.10MB service @ $55 monthly after all taxes have been applied.
They are competing against Comcast &amp; Embarq (two of my previous ISPs) and Charter &amp; Verizon, and lastly the City of Abingdon itself (both paid fiber and free wireless).Since I live on the edge of town, I am just outside the Abingdon Wireless Mesh reach, so technically it is not available to me, nor are there any plans to make the eva fiber available any time soon.Additionally, 3g from Verizon &amp; others are available in the area, depending on which side of which mountain you are in.Links:http://www.bbpmag.com/snapshot/snap1002.php [bbpmag.com]http://www.bvu-optinet.com/templates/default.php [bvu-optinet.com]http://www.eva.org/ [eva.org]http://www.abingdon.com/wireless/ [abingdon.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909033</id>
	<title>Why is this offtopic?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's about the government providing public services.  Do I have to draw you a diagram?
<p>
Sheeesh....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about the government providing public services .
Do I have to draw you a diagram ?
Sheeesh... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about the government providing public services.
Do I have to draw you a diagram?
Sheeesh....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29919553</id>
	<title>Re:I wish the system could do something good for o</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256827200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;The police do their job. The lawyers do theirs. Every other part of the system works; except the judges.</p><p>Judges ARE lawyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; The police do their job .
The lawyers do theirs .
Every other part of the system works ; except the judges.Judges ARE lawyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;The police do their job.
The lawyers do theirs.
Every other part of the system works; except the judges.Judges ARE lawyers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912759</id>
	<title>Rail Roads, 1880</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1256839980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strange how the lessons of history are ignored. The same problems we are having with broadband roll out in the States and the importance to the economy, is so close to what the rail roads where like around 1880. Massive monopolies with their hand in to everything including telecommunications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange how the lessons of history are ignored .
The same problems we are having with broadband roll out in the States and the importance to the economy , is so close to what the rail roads where like around 1880 .
Massive monopolies with their hand in to everything including telecommunications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange how the lessons of history are ignored.
The same problems we are having with broadband roll out in the States and the importance to the economy, is so close to what the rail roads where like around 1880.
Massive monopolies with their hand in to everything including telecommunications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912297</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>tmosley</author>
	<datestamp>1256838180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fascist corporations benefitting from government-granted monopolies is hardly free market.<br> <br>

If you think we have a free market in this country, you're delusional.  We have a controlled economy, just like the Soviets did.  We exert total control through control of money (the Federal Reserve), and specific control though regulations such as the monopolies in the various utilities (meaning men with guns forcibly, or through treat of force, stop competition).<br> <br>

Capitalists aren't up in arms because this is fascism fighting communism.  Whoever wins, we lose.  Communism sounds great, except that it locks in the current state of things, and resists all change, discouraging innovation (no monetary incentive).  Fascism doesn't sound great unless you're rich (then it sounds awesome), but it shows a similar lock down of innovation (patent trolls, anyone?), where government granted duopolies or oligopolies occasionally skirmish for customers, but by and large are content to sit together and feast off of the the riches they are draining from whatever nation they have insinuated themselves into.<br> <br>

A society advances only to the extent that it is free.  We have more or less stopped our advance as a society (where are the flying cars?  where is the ultra cheap nuclear energy?  Blocked by government regulation, that's where).  The internet is really the last place where freedom rings, but even that is on the verge, with internet taxes, deteriorating infrastructure, and now an executive off switch.  Government is the problem, not the answer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fascist corporations benefitting from government-granted monopolies is hardly free market .
If you think we have a free market in this country , you 're delusional .
We have a controlled economy , just like the Soviets did .
We exert total control through control of money ( the Federal Reserve ) , and specific control though regulations such as the monopolies in the various utilities ( meaning men with guns forcibly , or through treat of force , stop competition ) .
Capitalists are n't up in arms because this is fascism fighting communism .
Whoever wins , we lose .
Communism sounds great , except that it locks in the current state of things , and resists all change , discouraging innovation ( no monetary incentive ) .
Fascism does n't sound great unless you 're rich ( then it sounds awesome ) , but it shows a similar lock down of innovation ( patent trolls , anyone ?
) , where government granted duopolies or oligopolies occasionally skirmish for customers , but by and large are content to sit together and feast off of the the riches they are draining from whatever nation they have insinuated themselves into .
A society advances only to the extent that it is free .
We have more or less stopped our advance as a society ( where are the flying cars ?
where is the ultra cheap nuclear energy ?
Blocked by government regulation , that 's where ) .
The internet is really the last place where freedom rings , but even that is on the verge , with internet taxes , deteriorating infrastructure , and now an executive off switch .
Government is the problem , not the answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fascist corporations benefitting from government-granted monopolies is hardly free market.
If you think we have a free market in this country, you're delusional.
We have a controlled economy, just like the Soviets did.
We exert total control through control of money (the Federal Reserve), and specific control though regulations such as the monopolies in the various utilities (meaning men with guns forcibly, or through treat of force, stop competition).
Capitalists aren't up in arms because this is fascism fighting communism.
Whoever wins, we lose.
Communism sounds great, except that it locks in the current state of things, and resists all change, discouraging innovation (no monetary incentive).
Fascism doesn't sound great unless you're rich (then it sounds awesome), but it shows a similar lock down of innovation (patent trolls, anyone?
), where government granted duopolies or oligopolies occasionally skirmish for customers, but by and large are content to sit together and feast off of the the riches they are draining from whatever nation they have insinuated themselves into.
A society advances only to the extent that it is free.
We have more or less stopped our advance as a society (where are the flying cars?
where is the ultra cheap nuclear energy?
Blocked by government regulation, that's where).
The internet is really the last place where freedom rings, but even that is on the verge, with internet taxes, deteriorating infrastructure, and now an executive off switch.
Government is the problem, not the answer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912067</id>
	<title>Re:Wiring is infrastructure</title>
	<author>tmosley</author>
	<datestamp>1256837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm as free market as anybody, but wiring is infrastructure, and I don't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government.</p></div><p>I hate to tell you, if you think that, then you most certainly are not as free market as anybody.  Protection from competition is EXACTLY what causes poor service.  My city had a monopoly on internet service until four years ago.  Since I lived a bit outside of the city, this meant that there was no internet service for me, as the area was too small to be worth it for anyone to grant a monopoly.  Once it opened up, within a year we had two wireless internet providers providing high speed internet, and now there are three (the new one is much better, with faster speeds, lower prices, and no download limits), which means that prices are coming down while quality is going up.<br> <br>

Monopolies in ANY sector breed bad service.  Even in those cases where "natural" monopolies are codified, dropping the government mandated monopoly will put pressure on those services to keep their customer service an product quality up.  Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of service providers that look more like the Post Office or the DMV than Google or Amazon (two companies that have prospered in a true free market environment--the internet).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm as free market as anybody , but wiring is infrastructure , and I do n't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government.I hate to tell you , if you think that , then you most certainly are not as free market as anybody .
Protection from competition is EXACTLY what causes poor service .
My city had a monopoly on internet service until four years ago .
Since I lived a bit outside of the city , this meant that there was no internet service for me , as the area was too small to be worth it for anyone to grant a monopoly .
Once it opened up , within a year we had two wireless internet providers providing high speed internet , and now there are three ( the new one is much better , with faster speeds , lower prices , and no download limits ) , which means that prices are coming down while quality is going up .
Monopolies in ANY sector breed bad service .
Even in those cases where " natural " monopolies are codified , dropping the government mandated monopoly will put pressure on those services to keep their customer service an product quality up .
Otherwise , you end up with a bunch of service providers that look more like the Post Office or the DMV than Google or Amazon ( two companies that have prospered in a true free market environment--the internet ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm as free market as anybody, but wiring is infrastructure, and I don't have a problem with infrastructure being provided by the government.I hate to tell you, if you think that, then you most certainly are not as free market as anybody.
Protection from competition is EXACTLY what causes poor service.
My city had a monopoly on internet service until four years ago.
Since I lived a bit outside of the city, this meant that there was no internet service for me, as the area was too small to be worth it for anyone to grant a monopoly.
Once it opened up, within a year we had two wireless internet providers providing high speed internet, and now there are three (the new one is much better, with faster speeds, lower prices, and no download limits), which means that prices are coming down while quality is going up.
Monopolies in ANY sector breed bad service.
Even in those cases where "natural" monopolies are codified, dropping the government mandated monopoly will put pressure on those services to keep their customer service an product quality up.
Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of service providers that look more like the Post Office or the DMV than Google or Amazon (two companies that have prospered in a true free market environment--the internet).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909401</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1256827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The way it works out here is they bill you after.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The way it works out here is they bill you after .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way it works out here is they bill you after.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910759</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256832780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms. But it doesn't. Why?</p></div><p>It doesn't because the people that were preaching it to begin with are now those running the show and have brain washed the masses to think it's still a free market and that the evil communists/socialists will come around and eat their babies and take away their rights when the reality of the situation is that the corporations are the ones working to take away the rights of the people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms .
But it does n't .
Why ? It does n't because the people that were preaching it to begin with are now those running the show and have brain washed the masses to think it 's still a free market and that the evil communists/socialists will come around and eat their babies and take away their rights when the reality of the situation is that the corporations are the ones working to take away the rights of the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms.
But it doesn't.
Why?It doesn't because the people that were preaching it to begin with are now those running the show and have brain washed the masses to think it's still a free market and that the evil communists/socialists will come around and eat their babies and take away their rights when the reality of the situation is that the corporations are the ones working to take away the rights of the people.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912931</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256840580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.</p></div><p>TEA FARTS ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When it comes to ObamaFireCare , remember , we are : Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.TEA FARTS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.TEA FARTS ?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912417</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Though it's clear the parent was meant to be a parody, it was about a year ago that a guest appeared on a drive-time program on KGO810 who advocated, among other things, EXACTLY WHAT YOUR POST PROPOSES.  He said (with a perfectly straight face when challenged by the host) that all fire departments should be subscription-based, like insurance companies.<br>If your house is on fire, and you haven't paid your bill, this guy said very specifically that your house should be allowed to burn to the ground.  Doesn't matter if the fire truck is right around the corner, if you don't pay, they don't spray.<br>Remember, this wasn't some nobody from the deep Ozarks here, this was a guest on a drive-time program on arguably the biggest talk-radio station in the country.  People like this exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Though it 's clear the parent was meant to be a parody , it was about a year ago that a guest appeared on a drive-time program on KGO810 who advocated , among other things , EXACTLY WHAT YOUR POST PROPOSES .
He said ( with a perfectly straight face when challenged by the host ) that all fire departments should be subscription-based , like insurance companies.If your house is on fire , and you have n't paid your bill , this guy said very specifically that your house should be allowed to burn to the ground .
Does n't matter if the fire truck is right around the corner , if you do n't pay , they do n't spray.Remember , this was n't some nobody from the deep Ozarks here , this was a guest on a drive-time program on arguably the biggest talk-radio station in the country .
People like this exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though it's clear the parent was meant to be a parody, it was about a year ago that a guest appeared on a drive-time program on KGO810 who advocated, among other things, EXACTLY WHAT YOUR POST PROPOSES.
He said (with a perfectly straight face when challenged by the host) that all fire departments should be subscription-based, like insurance companies.If your house is on fire, and you haven't paid your bill, this guy said very specifically that your house should be allowed to burn to the ground.
Doesn't matter if the fire truck is right around the corner, if you don't pay, they don't spray.Remember, this wasn't some nobody from the deep Ozarks here, this was a guest on a drive-time program on arguably the biggest talk-radio station in the country.
People like this exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29919261</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>Insightfill</author>
	<datestamp>1256824920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago. The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV, Phone, Internet, over fiber-optic.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
I still live in that area - Geneva - and the Comcast dirty tricks were pretty bad.  Actual lies daily in the mailbox were fair game, since they weren't selling anything, and it wasn't a candidate they were fighting for or against.</p><p>
The referendum came up in an 'off-year', so the voters were an older bunch.</p><p>
The thing that makes the Tri-Cities a ripe target for muni-broadband is that the town owns the poles, too.  All of the utilities are leasing from the towns, and I don't believe it's exclusive.  For example, our power is run over Geneva-owned wires, and the town buys the power from upstate and resells.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago .
The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV , Phone , Internet , over fiber-optic .
I still live in that area - Geneva - and the Comcast dirty tricks were pretty bad .
Actual lies daily in the mailbox were fair game , since they were n't selling anything , and it was n't a candidate they were fighting for or against .
The referendum came up in an 'off-year ' , so the voters were an older bunch .
The thing that makes the Tri-Cities a ripe target for muni-broadband is that the town owns the poles , too .
All of the utilities are leasing from the towns , and I do n't believe it 's exclusive .
For example , our power is run over Geneva-owned wires , and the town buys the power from upstate and resells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to live in a Tri-City area outside of Chicago.
The three towns were going to go in on a municipal internet system that would have provided TV, Phone, Internet, over fiber-optic.
I still live in that area - Geneva - and the Comcast dirty tricks were pretty bad.
Actual lies daily in the mailbox were fair game, since they weren't selling anything, and it wasn't a candidate they were fighting for or against.
The referendum came up in an 'off-year', so the voters were an older bunch.
The thing that makes the Tri-Cities a ripe target for muni-broadband is that the town owns the poles, too.
All of the utilities are leasing from the towns, and I don't believe it's exclusive.
For example, our power is run over Geneva-owned wires, and the town buys the power from upstate and resells.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909263</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1256826600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.</p></div><p>What was given by the government, can be taken away by the government.</p><p>It is just sad they do not do so when the other side has so clearly violated the terms of the exclusive contract.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.What was given by the government , can be taken away by the government.It is just sad they do not do so when the other side has so clearly violated the terms of the exclusive contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.What was given by the government, can be taken away by the government.It is just sad they do not do so when the other side has so clearly violated the terms of the exclusive contract.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920019</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They sued them for using public bonds to build the network, essentially competing with a private business that cannot create its own bonds the same way.  The city did use its own money to get started on the fiber network for public services (gov't etc) while the suit was ongoing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They sued them for using public bonds to build the network , essentially competing with a private business that can not create its own bonds the same way .
The city did use its own money to get started on the fiber network for public services ( gov't etc ) while the suit was ongoing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They sued them for using public bonds to build the network, essentially competing with a private business that cannot create its own bonds the same way.
The city did use its own money to get started on the fiber network for public services (gov't etc) while the suit was ongoing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911463</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1256835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chicago actually has one.  <a href="http://www.chicagoskyway.org/" title="chicagoskyway.org">The Skyway.</a> [chicagoskyway.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chicago actually has one .
The Skyway .
[ chicagoskyway.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chicago actually has one.
The Skyway.
[chicagoskyway.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909799</id>
	<title>TDS does suck</title>
	<author>bryanp</author>
	<datestamp>1256829120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My available options for broadband in my home?</p><p>Comcast and TDS.</p><p>And yes, I get better customer service from Comcast.  Which should tell you something about TDS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My available options for broadband in my home ? Comcast and TDS.And yes , I get better customer service from Comcast .
Which should tell you something about TDS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My available options for broadband in my home?Comcast and TDS.And yes, I get better customer service from Comcast.
Which should tell you something about TDS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913837</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>wfstanle</author>
	<datestamp>1256844120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with privatizing something like fire departments.  Let's sat you don't pay for private fire department service and your house is burning down.  Do you negotiate the price as your house is burning?  If you don't, they might charge more than the house is worth to put out the fire.  The catch is, who could bargain for a better deal under these circumstances.  This is true for all emergency services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with privatizing something like fire departments .
Let 's sat you do n't pay for private fire department service and your house is burning down .
Do you negotiate the price as your house is burning ?
If you do n't , they might charge more than the house is worth to put out the fire .
The catch is , who could bargain for a better deal under these circumstances .
This is true for all emergency services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with privatizing something like fire departments.
Let's sat you don't pay for private fire department service and your house is burning down.
Do you negotiate the price as your house is burning?
If you don't, they might charge more than the house is worth to put out the fire.
The catch is, who could bargain for a better deal under these circumstances.
This is true for all emergency services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912095</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire</title>
	<author>inviolet</author>
	<datestamp>1256837640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For too long now, fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations, resulting in TAXES on the American people.</p><p>[...witty satire about how fire departments should be privatized...]</p></div></blockquote><p>Here is how to privatize fire departments successfully...
</p><p>If you buy fire protection for $20 a year, then they'll extinguish your burning house for free.<br>If you do NOT buy fire protection, then they'll extinguish your burning house, and then send you a bill for $7000.<br>Naturally, homeowners' associations will make it mandatory, but that isn't necessary.
</p><p>This solution is so simple, and with all the correct incentives in place.  In fact the solution is so easy that you MUST be either stupid or dishonest (or both) to not see it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For too long now , fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations , resulting in TAXES on the American people .
[ ...witty satire about how fire departments should be privatized... ] Here is how to privatize fire departments successfully.. . If you buy fire protection for $ 20 a year , then they 'll extinguish your burning house for free.If you do NOT buy fire protection , then they 'll extinguish your burning house , and then send you a bill for $ 7000.Naturally , homeowners ' associations will make it mandatory , but that is n't necessary .
This solution is so simple , and with all the correct incentives in place .
In fact the solution is so easy that you MUST be either stupid or dishonest ( or both ) to not see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For too long now, fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations, resulting in TAXES on the American people.
[...witty satire about how fire departments should be privatized...]Here is how to privatize fire departments successfully...
If you buy fire protection for $20 a year, then they'll extinguish your burning house for free.If you do NOT buy fire protection, then they'll extinguish your burning house, and then send you a bill for $7000.Naturally, homeowners' associations will make it mandatory, but that isn't necessary.
This solution is so simple, and with all the correct incentives in place.
In fact the solution is so easy that you MUST be either stupid or dishonest (or both) to not see it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911117</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Bovius</author>
	<datestamp>1256834100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms. But it doesn't. Why?"</p><p>They're too busy checking how their telecom company stocks are doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms .
But it does n't .
Why ? " They 're too busy checking how their telecom company stocks are doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms.
But it doesn't.
Why?"They're too busy checking how their telecom company stocks are doing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911579</id>
	<title>Re:Revoke TDS' exclusive license</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1256835780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make them yank their fiber back out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make them yank their fiber back out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make them yank their fiber back out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909013</id>
	<title>Ha!</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1256825280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My company actually did some of the design for this.  Now I know why they wanted such a fast turn around time on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My company actually did some of the design for this .
Now I know why they wanted such a fast turn around time on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company actually did some of the design for this.
Now I know why they wanted such a fast turn around time on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912081</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1256837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love how you act like you came up with an original point, instead of an overused, irrelevant point. Do I think we would have the interstate highway system we have today? No, probably not. We would have something different.</p><p>Now I would love for you to try to tell us that that something different would be worse, better, or the same. You don't know and no one else does. You're talking about completely alternative histories here, where the country would have organized in a different way without the ability to travel on the interstates.</p><p>You assume that every single one of those alternative histories would have been worse. I say there is zero evidence supporting that and you're making an ass of yourself by repeating nonsense talking points from the big government types.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how you act like you came up with an original point , instead of an overused , irrelevant point .
Do I think we would have the interstate highway system we have today ?
No , probably not .
We would have something different.Now I would love for you to try to tell us that that something different would be worse , better , or the same .
You do n't know and no one else does .
You 're talking about completely alternative histories here , where the country would have organized in a different way without the ability to travel on the interstates.You assume that every single one of those alternative histories would have been worse .
I say there is zero evidence supporting that and you 're making an ass of yourself by repeating nonsense talking points from the big government types .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how you act like you came up with an original point, instead of an overused, irrelevant point.
Do I think we would have the interstate highway system we have today?
No, probably not.
We would have something different.Now I would love for you to try to tell us that that something different would be worse, better, or the same.
You don't know and no one else does.
You're talking about completely alternative histories here, where the country would have organized in a different way without the ability to travel on the interstates.You assume that every single one of those alternative histories would have been worse.
I say there is zero evidence supporting that and you're making an ass of yourself by repeating nonsense talking points from the big government types.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909613</id>
	<title>Greenlight</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1256828340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a very familiar story, that we have seen play out with <a href="http://www.greenlightnc.com/index/" title="greenlightnc.com">Greenlight</a> [greenlightnc.com] in Wilson NC.<br>
FTTP, up to 100 symmetric bandwidth,  and the telecoms threw a freaking fit,  and did their best to annihilate municipal broadband, and failed to stop it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a very familiar story , that we have seen play out with Greenlight [ greenlightnc.com ] in Wilson NC .
FTTP , up to 100 symmetric bandwidth , and the telecoms threw a freaking fit , and did their best to annihilate municipal broadband , and failed to stop it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a very familiar story, that we have seen play out with Greenlight [greenlightnc.com] in Wilson NC.
FTTP, up to 100 symmetric bandwidth,  and the telecoms threw a freaking fit,  and did their best to annihilate municipal broadband, and failed to stop it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909037</id>
	<title>The People's Republic of Burlington, VT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>has had a municipal fiber-to-the-premises system for the past two years.  I doubt I would have been alive long enough to see FIOS rolled out, particularly since the outfit that Verizon dumped^H^H^H^H^H^H sold their landline infrastructure to, Fairpoint, has just filed bankruptcy.  Comcast, the only other game in town, has been howling to the state regulators about the sheer UNFAIRNESS of a publically-owned body actually implementing something that they had no intention of providing (in their neverending quest at maximizing shareholder value).

Most recently, certain parties (first two guesses don't count) have been agitating to have the city shut down Burlington Telecom over perceived financial malfeasance.  After all, it's downright UN-AMERICAN to have such an important piece of infrastructure exist without money flowing into corporate coffers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>has had a municipal fiber-to-the-premises system for the past two years .
I doubt I would have been alive long enough to see FIOS rolled out , particularly since the outfit that Verizon dumped ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H sold their landline infrastructure to , Fairpoint , has just filed bankruptcy .
Comcast , the only other game in town , has been howling to the state regulators about the sheer UNFAIRNESS of a publically-owned body actually implementing something that they had no intention of providing ( in their neverending quest at maximizing shareholder value ) .
Most recently , certain parties ( first two guesses do n't count ) have been agitating to have the city shut down Burlington Telecom over perceived financial malfeasance .
After all , it 's downright UN-AMERICAN to have such an important piece of infrastructure exist without money flowing into corporate coffers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>has had a municipal fiber-to-the-premises system for the past two years.
I doubt I would have been alive long enough to see FIOS rolled out, particularly since the outfit that Verizon dumped^H^H^H^H^H^H sold their landline infrastructure to, Fairpoint, has just filed bankruptcy.
Comcast, the only other game in town, has been howling to the state regulators about the sheer UNFAIRNESS of a publically-owned body actually implementing something that they had no intention of providing (in their neverending quest at maximizing shareholder value).
Most recently, certain parties (first two guesses don't count) have been agitating to have the city shut down Burlington Telecom over perceived financial malfeasance.
After all, it's downright UN-AMERICAN to have such an important piece of infrastructure exist without money flowing into corporate coffers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909451</id>
	<title>Re:Revoke TDS' exclusive license</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know I am going to get modded down, but...

Where is this magic exclusive license?

Last time I checked, the only exclusivity that TDS would hold would be their operations as an incumbent local exchange carrier, which is granted by the state's public services commision.  That means that the own the twisted pair  in the ground and have a requirement to provide pots access to everyone who lives in their exchange.  There is no promise of broadband from the local ILEC, nor is their any exclusivity with providing the Internet access and/or video to the residents.  Being the local ILEC means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government.

I think the confusion here at Slashdot is that there are already a ton of laws on the books about the regulation of telephone system which means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government. The regulation is NOT for other services, such as Internet access and video.  That means ANYONE could start up an ISP and provide non voice services charging whatever it wants for whatever price the market will pay.  The problem with other companies or munis competing is the the expense of building a infrastructure to do so because fiber build outs cost big bucks.

The way I read it, the municipality organized and petitioned the Minnesota PSC to be a competitive local exchange carrier.  Everything I read, stated that TDS challenged that, but it was upheld by the courts that the municipal could do so based on current telecom deregulation laws. The new problem is that TDS rebuilds their network to become a better competitor with the municipality.

Finally two fun facts:  an ADSL2 modem with 4000-8000' loop lengths can easily provide up to 18 Mb of service.  ADSL2+ can pair bond and provide up to 40 Mb of service. Almost every drop in the U.S. has more than two pairs in it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I am going to get modded down , but.. . Where is this magic exclusive license ?
Last time I checked , the only exclusivity that TDS would hold would be their operations as an incumbent local exchange carrier , which is granted by the state 's public services commision .
That means that the own the twisted pair in the ground and have a requirement to provide pots access to everyone who lives in their exchange .
There is no promise of broadband from the local ILEC , nor is their any exclusivity with providing the Internet access and/or video to the residents .
Being the local ILEC means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government .
I think the confusion here at Slashdot is that there are already a ton of laws on the books about the regulation of telephone system which means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government .
The regulation is NOT for other services , such as Internet access and video .
That means ANYONE could start up an ISP and provide non voice services charging whatever it wants for whatever price the market will pay .
The problem with other companies or munis competing is the the expense of building a infrastructure to do so because fiber build outs cost big bucks .
The way I read it , the municipality organized and petitioned the Minnesota PSC to be a competitive local exchange carrier .
Everything I read , stated that TDS challenged that , but it was upheld by the courts that the municipal could do so based on current telecom deregulation laws .
The new problem is that TDS rebuilds their network to become a better competitor with the municipality .
Finally two fun facts : an ADSL2 modem with 4000-8000 ' loop lengths can easily provide up to 18 Mb of service .
ADSL2 + can pair bond and provide up to 40 Mb of service .
Almost every drop in the U.S. has more than two pairs in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I am going to get modded down, but...

Where is this magic exclusive license?
Last time I checked, the only exclusivity that TDS would hold would be their operations as an incumbent local exchange carrier, which is granted by the state's public services commision.
That means that the own the twisted pair  in the ground and have a requirement to provide pots access to everyone who lives in their exchange.
There is no promise of broadband from the local ILEC, nor is their any exclusivity with providing the Internet access and/or video to the residents.
Being the local ILEC means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government.
I think the confusion here at Slashdot is that there are already a ton of laws on the books about the regulation of telephone system which means that TDS is already on their knees obeying government.
The regulation is NOT for other services, such as Internet access and video.
That means ANYONE could start up an ISP and provide non voice services charging whatever it wants for whatever price the market will pay.
The problem with other companies or munis competing is the the expense of building a infrastructure to do so because fiber build outs cost big bucks.
The way I read it, the municipality organized and petitioned the Minnesota PSC to be a competitive local exchange carrier.
Everything I read, stated that TDS challenged that, but it was upheld by the courts that the municipal could do so based on current telecom deregulation laws.
The new problem is that TDS rebuilds their network to become a better competitor with the municipality.
Finally two fun facts:  an ADSL2 modem with 4000-8000' loop lengths can easily provide up to 18 Mb of service.
ADSL2+ can pair bond and provide up to 40 Mb of service.
Almost every drop in the U.S. has more than two pairs in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29920419</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>Bartles</author>
	<datestamp>1256835180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interestingly, I live in Monticello, Wisconsin.  I can get a 25 megabit fiber connection to my house for 70$ a month.  And to top it off, my local telco is none other than TDS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly , I live in Monticello , Wisconsin .
I can get a 25 megabit fiber connection to my house for 70 $ a month .
And to top it off , my local telco is none other than TDS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly, I live in Monticello, Wisconsin.
I can get a 25 megabit fiber connection to my house for 70$ a month.
And to top it off, my local telco is none other than TDS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909047</id>
	<title>Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256825460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure (i.e. only allowing private companies to build and maintain them). Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure ( i.e .
only allowing private companies to build and maintain them ) .
Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today ( or even standardized road signs ) if we had followed that model ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure (i.e.
only allowing private companies to build and maintain them).
Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911997</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256837340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We'd have BETTER roads. A civilized society is best served by people keeping all their money, and choosing in their selfish best interest. Your socialist thinking is merely a product of the liberal media elite and a liberal education system. We should privatize everything, and divorce the government from economics. Stop regulating everything -- including fraud. The market knows best. Your thinking is dangerously misguided.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'd have BETTER roads .
A civilized society is best served by people keeping all their money , and choosing in their selfish best interest .
Your socialist thinking is merely a product of the liberal media elite and a liberal education system .
We should privatize everything , and divorce the government from economics .
Stop regulating everything -- including fraud .
The market knows best .
Your thinking is dangerously misguided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'd have BETTER roads.
A civilized society is best served by people keeping all their money, and choosing in their selfish best interest.
Your socialist thinking is merely a product of the liberal media elite and a liberal education system.
We should privatize everything, and divorce the government from economics.
Stop regulating everything -- including fraud.
The market knows best.
Your thinking is dangerously misguided.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909147</id>
	<title>last of our cash going away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256826000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as the FraUDulent money traders attempt to position themselves for any event, guess who gets left out of the calculations?</p><p>very similar to the last days of nazi germany.</p><p>no matter, the lights are coming up all over now, &amp; despite all the plans of the corepirate nazi illuminati, there is no where left to hide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as the FraUDulent money traders attempt to position themselves for any event , guess who gets left out of the calculations ? very similar to the last days of nazi germany.no matter , the lights are coming up all over now , &amp; despite all the plans of the corepirate nazi illuminati , there is no where left to hide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as the FraUDulent money traders attempt to position themselves for any event, guess who gets left out of the calculations?very similar to the last days of nazi germany.no matter, the lights are coming up all over now, &amp; despite all the plans of the corepirate nazi illuminati, there is no where left to hide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912441</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256838720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The interstate system has allowed people to drive their cars without paying for the full cost of driving, or thinking about all the consequences of driving.  If we had not built the interstate system, our passenger and freight rail system would not have deteriorated to the point they are in now. For a fraction of what we pay for our roads (Suburban Nation says 8\% of or GDP goes int subsidizing driving), we could have cross-continental, underground, hyper-sonic, maglev bullet trains.  Our driving addiction has made us a country of fat, anti-socialites that spend large portions of our lives driving solitary in cars from disgusting, identical houses in sterile non-communities, to cities where jobs are.   Meanwhile we, waste a tremendous amount of this planet's oil.  This means we get in wars and conflicts over oil.  To make it worse, we are screwing up this planet.</p><p>We SHOULD let private industry run the interstates, let people pay the actual cost of driving. See if they still want to do it so much.  End the government subsidy of the Private car. End the government subsidy of the suburb.</p><p>So, yes, I can imagine this country with out interstates.  I do it every day.  It's a fantasy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The interstate system has allowed people to drive their cars without paying for the full cost of driving , or thinking about all the consequences of driving .
If we had not built the interstate system , our passenger and freight rail system would not have deteriorated to the point they are in now .
For a fraction of what we pay for our roads ( Suburban Nation says 8 \ % of or GDP goes int subsidizing driving ) , we could have cross-continental , underground , hyper-sonic , maglev bullet trains .
Our driving addiction has made us a country of fat , anti-socialites that spend large portions of our lives driving solitary in cars from disgusting , identical houses in sterile non-communities , to cities where jobs are .
Meanwhile we , waste a tremendous amount of this planet 's oil .
This means we get in wars and conflicts over oil .
To make it worse , we are screwing up this planet.We SHOULD let private industry run the interstates , let people pay the actual cost of driving .
See if they still want to do it so much .
End the government subsidy of the Private car .
End the government subsidy of the suburb.So , yes , I can imagine this country with out interstates .
I do it every day .
It 's a fantasy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interstate system has allowed people to drive their cars without paying for the full cost of driving, or thinking about all the consequences of driving.
If we had not built the interstate system, our passenger and freight rail system would not have deteriorated to the point they are in now.
For a fraction of what we pay for our roads (Suburban Nation says 8\% of or GDP goes int subsidizing driving), we could have cross-continental, underground, hyper-sonic, maglev bullet trains.
Our driving addiction has made us a country of fat, anti-socialites that spend large portions of our lives driving solitary in cars from disgusting, identical houses in sterile non-communities, to cities where jobs are.
Meanwhile we, waste a tremendous amount of this planet's oil.
This means we get in wars and conflicts over oil.
To make it worse, we are screwing up this planet.We SHOULD let private industry run the interstates, let people pay the actual cost of driving.
See if they still want to do it so much.
End the government subsidy of the Private car.
End the government subsidy of the suburb.So, yes, I can imagine this country with out interstates.
I do it every day.
It's a fantasy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909359</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1256827020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?</p></div><p>The only real reason we have an interstate system is because of the red scare.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today ( or even standardized road signs ) if we had followed that model ? The only real reason we have an interstate system is because of the red scare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?The only real reason we have an interstate system is because of the red scare.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914165</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the true origin of turnpike comes from Scottish warriors, hired to precede normal mounted cavalry to use their long claymores to shear pike heads or bat them out of the way of the cavalry charge coming behind them. (They were normally also mounted.)</p><p>They were "turnpikes" in that they opened the way for the forces in, a penetration aid against the most effective defense against cavalry (the pike hedge). They rode in and turned the pikes aside from outside of the braced hedge to diminish the effectiveness of the formation. Of course, this forest of pike heads also is a pretty good deterrent for anyone pressing forward, and may have been a part of your origin thought.</p><p>Also, there are still many privately owned and operated roads in the country. Ever driven to Disney in Orlando? Odds are you were on one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the true origin of turnpike comes from Scottish warriors , hired to precede normal mounted cavalry to use their long claymores to shear pike heads or bat them out of the way of the cavalry charge coming behind them .
( They were normally also mounted .
) They were " turnpikes " in that they opened the way for the forces in , a penetration aid against the most effective defense against cavalry ( the pike hedge ) .
They rode in and turned the pikes aside from outside of the braced hedge to diminish the effectiveness of the formation .
Of course , this forest of pike heads also is a pretty good deterrent for anyone pressing forward , and may have been a part of your origin thought.Also , there are still many privately owned and operated roads in the country .
Ever driven to Disney in Orlando ?
Odds are you were on one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the true origin of turnpike comes from Scottish warriors, hired to precede normal mounted cavalry to use their long claymores to shear pike heads or bat them out of the way of the cavalry charge coming behind them.
(They were normally also mounted.
)They were "turnpikes" in that they opened the way for the forces in, a penetration aid against the most effective defense against cavalry (the pike hedge).
They rode in and turned the pikes aside from outside of the braced hedge to diminish the effectiveness of the formation.
Of course, this forest of pike heads also is a pretty good deterrent for anyone pressing forward, and may have been a part of your origin thought.Also, there are still many privately owned and operated roads in the country.
Ever driven to Disney in Orlando?
Odds are you were on one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909141</id>
	<title>This fiber must have been installed somewhere</title>
	<author>werfu</author>
	<datestamp>1256825940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This fiber must have been installed somewhere and it must be on public terrain, no? Than why in the world the city have granted the permission for that company to install the fiber? I mean, most telco cable runs in/on public utilities (sewer, terrain, phone pole). They are granted a permission to use it. Why can't it be revoked? Fiber pipe should be public utility. If a company would decide to run water to every house and sue the city for doing so too, would it be more capitalism-correct?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This fiber must have been installed somewhere and it must be on public terrain , no ?
Than why in the world the city have granted the permission for that company to install the fiber ?
I mean , most telco cable runs in/on public utilities ( sewer , terrain , phone pole ) .
They are granted a permission to use it .
Why ca n't it be revoked ?
Fiber pipe should be public utility .
If a company would decide to run water to every house and sue the city for doing so too , would it be more capitalism-correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This fiber must have been installed somewhere and it must be on public terrain, no?
Than why in the world the city have granted the permission for that company to install the fiber?
I mean, most telco cable runs in/on public utilities (sewer, terrain, phone pole).
They are granted a permission to use it.
Why can't it be revoked?
Fiber pipe should be public utility.
If a company would decide to run water to every house and sue the city for doing so too, would it be more capitalism-correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911019</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1256833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean, like the privately operated roads that worked extremely well in Europe and America up until the late 19th century?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean , like the privately operated roads that worked extremely well in Europe and America up until the late 19th century ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean, like the privately operated roads that worked extremely well in Europe and America up until the late 19th century?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911935</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>tmosley</author>
	<datestamp>1256837100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, for one thing, the interstate system was built for national security reasons (Eisenhower wanted to be able to move mobile nuke launchers anywhere in the nation at a moment's notice, which is why overpasses are all the same height), not for ease of movement across the country.<br> <br>

Of course road signs and such would eventually become standardized.  Hell, stop signs are the same between countries.  You think there is a UN commission on stop signs that dictated that?  We don't need governments to tell us how to do things.  We need governments to force people to cooperate at gunpoint.  That is the only reason to have a government, and since government is an incarnation of violence, implied or real (think about what happens if you refuse to pay your taxes, or refuse to comply with any given government regulation--guys with guns come out and force you to close down and/or take you to a concrete box and/or assault/murder you), it should be used as little as possible.<br> <br>

If it cost less to pay a toll than the amount of money a person pays for gas tax, I think most people would get behind privatizing roads, so long as it was done in a fair way (ie sold to the highest bidder, and the proceeds returned to the taxpayers, with the taxes that are used to pay for roads abolished immediately).  In fact, you would probably find that most roads would be free for small vehicles to use, as the shipping companies would fund them.  How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , for one thing , the interstate system was built for national security reasons ( Eisenhower wanted to be able to move mobile nuke launchers anywhere in the nation at a moment 's notice , which is why overpasses are all the same height ) , not for ease of movement across the country .
Of course road signs and such would eventually become standardized .
Hell , stop signs are the same between countries .
You think there is a UN commission on stop signs that dictated that ?
We do n't need governments to tell us how to do things .
We need governments to force people to cooperate at gunpoint .
That is the only reason to have a government , and since government is an incarnation of violence , implied or real ( think about what happens if you refuse to pay your taxes , or refuse to comply with any given government regulation--guys with guns come out and force you to close down and/or take you to a concrete box and/or assault/murder you ) , it should be used as little as possible .
If it cost less to pay a toll than the amount of money a person pays for gas tax , I think most people would get behind privatizing roads , so long as it was done in a fair way ( ie sold to the highest bidder , and the proceeds returned to the taxpayers , with the taxes that are used to pay for roads abolished immediately ) .
In fact , you would probably find that most roads would be free for small vehicles to use , as the shipping companies would fund them .
How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, for one thing, the interstate system was built for national security reasons (Eisenhower wanted to be able to move mobile nuke launchers anywhere in the nation at a moment's notice, which is why overpasses are all the same height), not for ease of movement across the country.
Of course road signs and such would eventually become standardized.
Hell, stop signs are the same between countries.
You think there is a UN commission on stop signs that dictated that?
We don't need governments to tell us how to do things.
We need governments to force people to cooperate at gunpoint.
That is the only reason to have a government, and since government is an incarnation of violence, implied or real (think about what happens if you refuse to pay your taxes, or refuse to comply with any given government regulation--guys with guns come out and force you to close down and/or take you to a concrete box and/or assault/murder you), it should be used as little as possible.
If it cost less to pay a toll than the amount of money a person pays for gas tax, I think most people would get behind privatizing roads, so long as it was done in a fair way (ie sold to the highest bidder, and the proceeds returned to the taxpayers, with the taxes that are used to pay for roads abolished immediately).
In fact, you would probably find that most roads would be free for small vehicles to use, as the shipping companies would fund them.
How do you think the railroads got built without being owned by the government?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911455</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone explain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because of signed, non-compete agreements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of signed , non-compete agreements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of signed, non-compete agreements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914189</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We did have a system like that.  I was called the railroad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We did have a system like that .
I was called the railroad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We did have a system like that.
I was called the railroad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908827</id>
	<title>That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256823900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next time the town should be more careful about granting exclusive contracts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912385</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1256838540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fun thing: Crassus, the third man who ran Rome during the Caesar-Pompey-Crassus triumvirate, made his wealth that way; he bought the land for a joke sum, and if the person declined, his firefighters just didn't do a thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fun thing : Crassus , the third man who ran Rome during the Caesar-Pompey-Crassus triumvirate , made his wealth that way ; he bought the land for a joke sum , and if the person declined , his firefighters just did n't do a thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fun thing: Crassus, the third man who ran Rome during the Caesar-Pompey-Crassus triumvirate, made his wealth that way; he bought the land for a joke sum, and if the person declined, his firefighters just didn't do a thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912381</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256838540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to imagine what the country would look like - there's actually a neat historical example in Germany for this. At the end of the 18th century, Germany was splintered into many local city states, and had approximately 1800 customs barriers. The impact on traffic and goods was so blatantly obvious to everyone that the states voluntarily abandoned their individual independence and formed toll coalitions.</p><p>The people who argue for privatization of everything are merely ignorant of history. Most of their ideas have been tried already, and abandoned because of their catastrophic impact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to imagine what the country would look like - there 's actually a neat historical example in Germany for this .
At the end of the 18th century , Germany was splintered into many local city states , and had approximately 1800 customs barriers .
The impact on traffic and goods was so blatantly obvious to everyone that the states voluntarily abandoned their individual independence and formed toll coalitions.The people who argue for privatization of everything are merely ignorant of history .
Most of their ideas have been tried already , and abandoned because of their catastrophic impact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to imagine what the country would look like - there's actually a neat historical example in Germany for this.
At the end of the 18th century, Germany was splintered into many local city states, and had approximately 1800 customs barriers.
The impact on traffic and goods was so blatantly obvious to everyone that the states voluntarily abandoned their individual independence and formed toll coalitions.The people who argue for privatization of everything are merely ignorant of history.
Most of their ideas have been tried already, and abandoned because of their catastrophic impact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911557</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256835720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are entirely too many creature comforts for the vast majority of this country to get up in arms about anything. The news media might try to paint a picture otherwise, but it seems that their more in the business of selling sensationalism than news. I don't feel as though it's reasonable to expect this to change until the citizens of this country are not significantly better off than the rest of the world. The only question that remains is whether or not the government will attempt to strip away the remaining rights and freedoms of the citizenry before such a boiling point is reached. The government wants to remain in power just as much as the corporations after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are entirely too many creature comforts for the vast majority of this country to get up in arms about anything .
The news media might try to paint a picture otherwise , but it seems that their more in the business of selling sensationalism than news .
I do n't feel as though it 's reasonable to expect this to change until the citizens of this country are not significantly better off than the rest of the world .
The only question that remains is whether or not the government will attempt to strip away the remaining rights and freedoms of the citizenry before such a boiling point is reached .
The government wants to remain in power just as much as the corporations after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are entirely too many creature comforts for the vast majority of this country to get up in arms about anything.
The news media might try to paint a picture otherwise, but it seems that their more in the business of selling sensationalism than news.
I don't feel as though it's reasonable to expect this to change until the citizens of this country are not significantly better off than the rest of the world.
The only question that remains is whether or not the government will attempt to strip away the remaining rights and freedoms of the citizenry before such a boiling point is reached.
The government wants to remain in power just as much as the corporations after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29915241</id>
	<title>Re:That'll learn 'em.</title>
	<author>overlordofmu</author>
	<datestamp>1256849820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do realized that Federal law (Telecommunications Act of 1996) as made exclusive telecommunication contracts between businesses and municipalities illegal for over a decade, don't you?<br> <br>
Also, prohibition of alcohol has ended and you don't need to buy your beer from mobsters anymore . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realized that Federal law ( Telecommunications Act of 1996 ) as made exclusive telecommunication contracts between businesses and municipalities illegal for over a decade , do n't you ?
Also , prohibition of alcohol has ended and you do n't need to buy your beer from mobsters anymore .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realized that Federal law (Telecommunications Act of 1996) as made exclusive telecommunication contracts between businesses and municipalities illegal for over a decade, don't you?
Also, prohibition of alcohol has ended and you don't need to buy your beer from mobsters anymore .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908891</id>
	<title>I wish the system could do something good for once</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and have a judge who throws the suit out, on the grounds of it attempting to stifle competition.</p><p>Seriously, corporations shouldn't be allowed to do this sort of thing.</p><p>This is why I hate the legal system.  Lawyers aren't the weak link.</p><p>Judges are.</p><p>We have 17 year olds, here in Australia, who can kill people, and get 2.5-3 years for it, in a youth training centre.  The police do their job.  The lawyers do theirs.  Every other part of the system works; except the judges.</p><p>Unlike most people, I don't have such a big issue with lawyers; because I say to any judge who reads this, that I know where the fault with the system really is.  It isn't with them, judges.  It's with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and have a judge who throws the suit out , on the grounds of it attempting to stifle competition.Seriously , corporations should n't be allowed to do this sort of thing.This is why I hate the legal system .
Lawyers are n't the weak link.Judges are.We have 17 year olds , here in Australia , who can kill people , and get 2.5-3 years for it , in a youth training centre .
The police do their job .
The lawyers do theirs .
Every other part of the system works ; except the judges.Unlike most people , I do n't have such a big issue with lawyers ; because I say to any judge who reads this , that I know where the fault with the system really is .
It is n't with them , judges .
It 's with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and have a judge who throws the suit out, on the grounds of it attempting to stifle competition.Seriously, corporations shouldn't be allowed to do this sort of thing.This is why I hate the legal system.
Lawyers aren't the weak link.Judges are.We have 17 year olds, here in Australia, who can kill people, and get 2.5-3 years for it, in a youth training centre.
The police do their job.
The lawyers do theirs.
Every other part of the system works; except the judges.Unlike most people, I don't have such a big issue with lawyers; because I say to any judge who reads this, that I know where the fault with the system really is.
It isn't with them, judges.
It's with you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909661</id>
	<title>This is just wrong.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256828520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This type of thing is just wrong.  Usually cities want to roll out their own broadband system when there is no competition, and the current service is too expensive, totally sucks, or both.  In other words, Telcos/ISPs are trying to stop cities from competing with them.  HMMM...anti-competitive practices...monopolistic companies trying to maintain a monopoly in an area...isn't this what M$()and other companies) are in trouble for?</p><p>Both government and corporations need to be reminded that corporations/businesses do NOT have rights!  Only INDIVIDUALS have rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This type of thing is just wrong .
Usually cities want to roll out their own broadband system when there is no competition , and the current service is too expensive , totally sucks , or both .
In other words , Telcos/ISPs are trying to stop cities from competing with them .
HMMM...anti-competitive practices...monopolistic companies trying to maintain a monopoly in an area...is n't this what M $ ( ) and other companies ) are in trouble for ? Both government and corporations need to be reminded that corporations/businesses do NOT have rights !
Only INDIVIDUALS have rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This type of thing is just wrong.
Usually cities want to roll out their own broadband system when there is no competition, and the current service is too expensive, totally sucks, or both.
In other words, Telcos/ISPs are trying to stop cities from competing with them.
HMMM...anti-competitive practices...monopolistic companies trying to maintain a monopoly in an area...isn't this what M$()and other companies) are in trouble for?Both government and corporations need to be reminded that corporations/businesses do NOT have rights!
Only INDIVIDUALS have rights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29915279</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1256849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually there are several privately-operated toll roads in the U.S. today; for example, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State\_Route\_267\_(Virginia)#Dulles\_Greenway" title="wikipedia.org">Dulles Greenway</a> [wikipedia.org] in Virginia. All or part of the Indiana Toll Road and the Chicago Expressway are also privately-operated on a 99-year lease with terms amounting to temporary full-ownership.</p><p>Toll roads in general have recently started to come back into style after a long period of decline. To make a long story short, toll roads can't normally compete with similar fully-tax-funded roads because their customers have to pay the taxes <em>and</em> the toll, whereas users of "free" roads only have to pay the taxes. This is a problem with competition against any tax-funded provider. However, they're coming back into style because gas taxes are effectively at a maximum, and the federal road funds have dried up to the point where they're insufficient to maintain the roads, so tolls are being instituted in key places (where alternate routes are limited) to provide supplementary revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually there are several privately-operated toll roads in the U.S. today ; for example , the Dulles Greenway [ wikipedia.org ] in Virginia .
All or part of the Indiana Toll Road and the Chicago Expressway are also privately-operated on a 99-year lease with terms amounting to temporary full-ownership.Toll roads in general have recently started to come back into style after a long period of decline .
To make a long story short , toll roads ca n't normally compete with similar fully-tax-funded roads because their customers have to pay the taxes and the toll , whereas users of " free " roads only have to pay the taxes .
This is a problem with competition against any tax-funded provider .
However , they 're coming back into style because gas taxes are effectively at a maximum , and the federal road funds have dried up to the point where they 're insufficient to maintain the roads , so tolls are being instituted in key places ( where alternate routes are limited ) to provide supplementary revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually there are several privately-operated toll roads in the U.S. today; for example, the Dulles Greenway [wikipedia.org] in Virginia.
All or part of the Indiana Toll Road and the Chicago Expressway are also privately-operated on a 99-year lease with terms amounting to temporary full-ownership.Toll roads in general have recently started to come back into style after a long period of decline.
To make a long story short, toll roads can't normally compete with similar fully-tax-funded roads because their customers have to pay the taxes and the toll, whereas users of "free" roads only have to pay the taxes.
This is a problem with competition against any tax-funded provider.
However, they're coming back into style because gas taxes are effectively at a maximum, and the federal road funds have dried up to the point where they're insufficient to maintain the roads, so tolls are being instituted in key places (where alternate routes are limited) to provide supplementary revenue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908847</id>
	<title>Not government's job</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1256824080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a few roles that government must play. It must provide its citizens protection and a working legal framework. But when the government decides to dabble in providing other services, especially ones in which there already exists private enterprise, there is nothing gained but bureaucracy and government bloat.</p><p>Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a few roles that government must play .
It must provide its citizens protection and a working legal framework .
But when the government decides to dabble in providing other services , especially ones in which there already exists private enterprise , there is nothing gained but bureaucracy and government bloat.Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a few roles that government must play.
It must provide its citizens protection and a working legal framework.
But when the government decides to dabble in providing other services, especially ones in which there already exists private enterprise, there is nothing gained but bureaucracy and government bloat.Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in his grave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912413</id>
	<title>Re:Corporate welfare state</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1256838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas.</p></div><p>Well at least part of the problem is that all kinds of power tend to entrench themselves.  A person or corporation that has made a substantial profit for a number of years has more wealth and influence than your average person, and will use that power and influence to keep himself/herself/itself powerful and influential.  Wealth and power tend to have a sort of gravity to them.  Once it starts to collect, its force increases pulling in more, which in turn increases the force with which more is pulled in.
</p><p>Of course the ease with which people confound "the way things are" with "the way things should be" and "the way things have to be" probably shares some responsibility for the problem.  I know people who think that having post offices and public highways is completely fine and normal, but having public data infrastructure is scary and communist.  When asked what the difference is beyond how advanced the technology in question is, the only answer seems to be, "Having public highways and post offices is normal.  You're supposed to have those."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas.Well at least part of the problem is that all kinds of power tend to entrench themselves .
A person or corporation that has made a substantial profit for a number of years has more wealth and influence than your average person , and will use that power and influence to keep himself/herself/itself powerful and influential .
Wealth and power tend to have a sort of gravity to them .
Once it starts to collect , its force increases pulling in more , which in turn increases the force with which more is pulled in .
Of course the ease with which people confound " the way things are " with " the way things should be " and " the way things have to be " probably shares some responsibility for the problem .
I know people who think that having post offices and public highways is completely fine and normal , but having public data infrastructure is scary and communist .
When asked what the difference is beyond how advanced the technology in question is , the only answer seems to be , " Having public highways and post offices is normal .
You 're supposed to have those .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's tenacity probably owes something to shortcomings in human nature and the inability of society to self-correct in those areas.Well at least part of the problem is that all kinds of power tend to entrench themselves.
A person or corporation that has made a substantial profit for a number of years has more wealth and influence than your average person, and will use that power and influence to keep himself/herself/itself powerful and influential.
Wealth and power tend to have a sort of gravity to them.
Once it starts to collect, its force increases pulling in more, which in turn increases the force with which more is pulled in.
Of course the ease with which people confound "the way things are" with "the way things should be" and "the way things have to be" probably shares some responsibility for the problem.
I know people who think that having post offices and public highways is completely fine and normal, but having public data infrastructure is scary and communist.
When asked what the difference is beyond how advanced the technology in question is, the only answer seems to be, "Having public highways and post offices is normal.
You're supposed to have those.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912713</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>sconeu</author>
	<datestamp>1256839740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Orange County, CA, the toll roads (73, 91, 241, and probably others) were operated by a private entity for the state, at least for a while, don't know if they're still private.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Orange County , CA , the toll roads ( 73 , 91 , 241 , and probably others ) were operated by a private entity for the state , at least for a while , do n't know if they 're still private .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Orange County, CA, the toll roads (73, 91, 241, and probably others) were operated by a private entity for the state, at least for a while, don't know if they're still private.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29923661</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256917140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you realize that your "Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism" organizations acronym is TEAFARTS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you realize that your " Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism " organizations acronym is TEAFARTS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you realize that your "Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism" organizations acronym is TEAFARTS?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912561</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1256839260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because people have been brain washed with the 'all government things are bad' everything else good, regardless of the facts" mentality of the neo cons.</p><p>As it turns out, the best way to support a free market is for a social democracy to handle the infrastructure and let the free market compete on top of the infrastructure.</p><p>Look at an private service that doesn't continue to make good profit growth. Either it goes away, or if it maintains becomes horrible in the terms of service and maintenance.</p><p>For you libertarians out that, I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.If you prefer more recent examples, look at what removing restriction from the financial system did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because people have been brain washed with the 'all government things are bad ' everything else good , regardless of the facts " mentality of the neo cons.As it turns out , the best way to support a free market is for a social democracy to handle the infrastructure and let the free market compete on top of the infrastructure.Look at an private service that does n't continue to make good profit growth .
Either it goes away , or if it maintains becomes horrible in the terms of service and maintenance.For you libertarians out that , I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.If you prefer more recent examples , look at what removing restriction from the financial system did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because people have been brain washed with the 'all government things are bad' everything else good, regardless of the facts" mentality of the neo cons.As it turns out, the best way to support a free market is for a social democracy to handle the infrastructure and let the free market compete on top of the infrastructure.Look at an private service that doesn't continue to make good profit growth.
Either it goes away, or if it maintains becomes horrible in the terms of service and maintenance.For you libertarians out that, I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.If you prefer more recent examples, look at what removing restriction from the financial system did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932585</id>
	<title>Re:End of Suburbia</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256931420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.</i></p><p>I see you're using a computer, how would you have gotten it without roads?  Do you see doctors?  How?  How did they get trained?  Without roads how would you get your power, electricity?  Or you heating or AC?  How do you get to work?  Do you work on your farm, so you can just step out your door?  Do you do everything by hand?  Or do you use machines?  Do you save your own seeds, or do you buy new seeds?</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.I see you 're using a computer , how would you have gotten it without roads ?
Do you see doctors ?
How ? How did they get trained ?
Without roads how would you get your power , electricity ?
Or you heating or AC ?
How do you get to work ?
Do you work on your farm , so you can just step out your door ?
Do you do everything by hand ?
Or do you use machines ?
Do you save your own seeds , or do you buy new seeds ?
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The road system in the USA is a complete waste of money and resources.I see you're using a computer, how would you have gotten it without roads?
Do you see doctors?
How?  How did they get trained?
Without roads how would you get your power, electricity?
Or you heating or AC?
How do you get to work?
Do you work on your farm, so you can just step out your door?
Do you do everything by hand?
Or do you use machines?
Do you save your own seeds, or do you buy new seeds?
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29908933</id>
	<title>1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Depart</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256824740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the best Facebook group ever is 1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Departments:
<p>
For too long now, fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations, resulting in TAXES on the American people.
</p><p>
FACT: Most Americans never use the socialized services of the fire department. We have the best fire departments in the world in the US, but that doesn't mean that anyone (even non-US citizens) should be able to dial up and have fires put out, etc. There are private companies (Halliburtion, Etc.) who could step in tomorrow and take over every fire department in America and charge the consumer directly.
</p><p>
This is AMERICA. NO FREE FIRE SAFETY.
</p><p>
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in asbestos and carrying a fire hose."
</p><p>
This is THE new political movement in America. The Birther movement and The Teabagger movement have FAILED. We are The Flamer movement, and we are succeeding at tearing down ALL forms Socialism - starting with our Fire Departments.
</p><p>
Please tell everyone you know about this group.
</p><p>
When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.
</p><p>
"This is America. Pay to Spray."
- Member Susan Weinberg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the best Facebook group ever is 1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Departments : For too long now , fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations , resulting in TAXES on the American people .
FACT : Most Americans never use the socialized services of the fire department .
We have the best fire departments in the world in the US , but that does n't mean that anyone ( even non-US citizens ) should be able to dial up and have fires put out , etc .
There are private companies ( Halliburtion , Etc .
) who could step in tomorrow and take over every fire department in America and charge the consumer directly .
This is AMERICA .
NO FREE FIRE SAFETY .
" When fascism comes to America , it will be wrapped in asbestos and carrying a fire hose .
" This is THE new political movement in America .
The Birther movement and The Teabagger movement have FAILED .
We are The Flamer movement , and we are succeeding at tearing down ALL forms Socialism - starting with our Fire Departments .
Please tell everyone you know about this group .
When it comes to ObamaFireCare , remember , we are : Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism .
" This is America .
Pay to Spray .
" - Member Susan Weinberg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the best Facebook group ever is 1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Departments:

For too long now, fire departments across the United States have been SOCIALIST organizations, resulting in TAXES on the American people.
FACT: Most Americans never use the socialized services of the fire department.
We have the best fire departments in the world in the US, but that doesn't mean that anyone (even non-US citizens) should be able to dial up and have fires put out, etc.
There are private companies (Halliburtion, Etc.
) who could step in tomorrow and take over every fire department in America and charge the consumer directly.
This is AMERICA.
NO FREE FIRE SAFETY.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in asbestos and carrying a fire hose.
"

This is THE new political movement in America.
The Birther movement and The Teabagger movement have FAILED.
We are The Flamer movement, and we are succeeding at tearing down ALL forms Socialism - starting with our Fire Departments.
Please tell everyone you know about this group.
When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.
"This is America.
Pay to Spray.
"
- Member Susan Weinberg</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910865</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>funkify</author>
	<datestamp>1256833140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.</p></div></blockquote><p>aka TEAFARTS</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When it comes to ObamaFireCare , remember , we are : Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.aka TEAFARTS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When it comes to ObamaFireCare, remember, we are: Taxed Enough Already For American Red Truck Socialism.aka TEAFARTS
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29913939</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Chris Tucker</author>
	<datestamp>1256844540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RIGHT ON!</p><p>And fuck those <a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Landauer/The\_Scourge\_of\_Public\_Libraries.shtml" title="rebirthofreason.com"> <b>fucking socialist public libraries</b> </a> [rebirthofreason.com], too!</p><p>GOD DAMN that filthy socialist bastard Benjamin Franklin for infecting the U.S. with his "public libraries"!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RIGHT ON ! And fuck those fucking socialist public libraries [ rebirthofreason.com ] , too ! GOD DAMN that filthy socialist bastard Benjamin Franklin for infecting the U.S. with his " public libraries " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIGHT ON!And fuck those  fucking socialist public libraries  [rebirthofreason.com], too!GOD DAMN that filthy socialist bastard Benjamin Franklin for infecting the U.S. with his "public libraries"!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909489</id>
	<title>free market</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1256827680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, they're not friends of competition, are they?</p><p>50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets, capitalism, solving our problems.</p><p>Then, corporations found out that the actual free market is bad for profit margins. Once they grew powerful enough, they started changing the game.</p><p>Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms. But it doesn't. Why?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they 're not friends of competition , are they ? 50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets , capitalism , solving our problems.Then , corporations found out that the actual free market is bad for profit margins .
Once they grew powerful enough , they started changing the game.Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms .
But it does n't .
Why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they're not friends of competition, are they?50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets, capitalism, solving our problems.Then, corporations found out that the actual free market is bad for profit margins.
Once they grew powerful enough, they started changing the game.Events like this should have the capitalists and free market supporters up in arms.
But it doesn't.
Why?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911745</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>tmosley</author>
	<datestamp>1256836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, yeah, we don't need them.  Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and don't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create, as they have in California, and now in Houston.<br> <br>

When I had a house fire a few months ago, the first truck on the scene was from a volunteer fire department, and they got there something like 3 minutes after 911 was called.  Damn efficient, and at no cost to the taxpayer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , yeah , we do n't need them .
Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and do n't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create , as they have in California , and now in Houston .
When I had a house fire a few months ago , the first truck on the scene was from a volunteer fire department , and they got there something like 3 minutes after 911 was called .
Damn efficient , and at no cost to the taxpayer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, yeah, we don't need them.
Volunteer fire departments are more efficient and don't bankrupt cities with the longstanding obligations they create, as they have in California, and now in Houston.
When I had a house fire a few months ago, the first truck on the scene was from a volunteer fire department, and they got there something like 3 minutes after 911 was called.
Damn efficient, and at no cost to the taxpayer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912251</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256838060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because enough people still remember when being called a communist ruined their career and possibly their entire life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because enough people still remember when being called a communist ruined their career and possibly their entire life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because enough people still remember when being called a communist ruined their career and possibly their entire life.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909395</id>
	<title>City Fiber</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am actually the chairperson of a "Broadband committee" for a city fiber network within a small city in Wisconsin.

Charter Communications and Verizon refused to increase services for the city.  The city pushed forward with their Broadband initiative and ran a few miles of fiber and ever hooked up a wireless ISP.  Before I give the downside, let me tell you the results as of today.

Both Charter and Verizon lowered there basic internet speed - 768k/128k (shouldn't count, but its more than the 33.6k dial up available) and have kept the low rates of under $20 w/o contract.  Charter upgraded their network and now provides up to 16m/2m options.  Verizon tops out at 7m/1.5m.

Both ISPs lowered their business rates and have done their best to compete with the city's solution.

Now - the ISPs can offer rebates that the city cannot.  They can absorb construction costs that the city cannot.  They have faster response times than the city's fiber.

The reality is city governments are NOT organized enough to competitively run a broadband solution.  There is too much red tape (especially in Wisconsin) and decisions cannot be made on the fly.  My committee would love to hire a full time ISP manager, but there isn't enough revenue - because the companies that promised to use the city solution, SOLD OUT to the local telco after they dropped the rates and locked them into long term contracts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am actually the chairperson of a " Broadband committee " for a city fiber network within a small city in Wisconsin .
Charter Communications and Verizon refused to increase services for the city .
The city pushed forward with their Broadband initiative and ran a few miles of fiber and ever hooked up a wireless ISP .
Before I give the downside , let me tell you the results as of today .
Both Charter and Verizon lowered there basic internet speed - 768k/128k ( should n't count , but its more than the 33.6k dial up available ) and have kept the low rates of under $ 20 w/o contract .
Charter upgraded their network and now provides up to 16m/2m options .
Verizon tops out at 7m/1.5m .
Both ISPs lowered their business rates and have done their best to compete with the city 's solution .
Now - the ISPs can offer rebates that the city can not .
They can absorb construction costs that the city can not .
They have faster response times than the city 's fiber .
The reality is city governments are NOT organized enough to competitively run a broadband solution .
There is too much red tape ( especially in Wisconsin ) and decisions can not be made on the fly .
My committee would love to hire a full time ISP manager , but there is n't enough revenue - because the companies that promised to use the city solution , SOLD OUT to the local telco after they dropped the rates and locked them into long term contracts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am actually the chairperson of a "Broadband committee" for a city fiber network within a small city in Wisconsin.
Charter Communications and Verizon refused to increase services for the city.
The city pushed forward with their Broadband initiative and ran a few miles of fiber and ever hooked up a wireless ISP.
Before I give the downside, let me tell you the results as of today.
Both Charter and Verizon lowered there basic internet speed - 768k/128k (shouldn't count, but its more than the 33.6k dial up available) and have kept the low rates of under $20 w/o contract.
Charter upgraded their network and now provides up to 16m/2m options.
Verizon tops out at 7m/1.5m.
Both ISPs lowered their business rates and have done their best to compete with the city's solution.
Now - the ISPs can offer rebates that the city cannot.
They can absorb construction costs that the city cannot.
They have faster response times than the city's fiber.
The reality is city governments are NOT organized enough to competitively run a broadband solution.
There is too much red tape (especially in Wisconsin) and decisions cannot be made on the fly.
My committee would love to hire a full time ISP manager, but there isn't enough revenue - because the companies that promised to use the city solution, SOLD OUT to the local telco after they dropped the rates and locked them into long term contracts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911265</id>
	<title>How quickly we forget, this is old news</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256834760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/12/2326251" title="slashdot.org">http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/12/2326251</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //tech.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 08/09/12/2326251 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/12/2326251 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909221</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256826480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with the analogy you imply (That people against federally funded socialist programs are hypocritical because they support the fire department) is a straw man because fire departments are typically funded almost entirely at the local level.</p><p>The state offers to pay my father his health insurance as part of his pension.  If he takes social security, the federal government will not allow him to collect insurance from NYS that is already paid for.  Instead, they will make him go on medicare/medicaid which will cost the federal govt money.  In addition, to equal the already paid for services offered by the state, my father will have to pay additional money to buy "supplemental" insurance.</p><p>In short, you can be against overaching, terribly managed, short sighted, and rights stealing federal programs and still be in support of smaller, more locally managed programs.</p><p>I'm all for low level socialist programs because they are more controllable.  I'm against large national/federal ones because they are blight against society where a very select few decide what is best for the whole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the analogy you imply ( That people against federally funded socialist programs are hypocritical because they support the fire department ) is a straw man because fire departments are typically funded almost entirely at the local level.The state offers to pay my father his health insurance as part of his pension .
If he takes social security , the federal government will not allow him to collect insurance from NYS that is already paid for .
Instead , they will make him go on medicare/medicaid which will cost the federal govt money .
In addition , to equal the already paid for services offered by the state , my father will have to pay additional money to buy " supplemental " insurance.In short , you can be against overaching , terribly managed , short sighted , and rights stealing federal programs and still be in support of smaller , more locally managed programs.I 'm all for low level socialist programs because they are more controllable .
I 'm against large national/federal ones because they are blight against society where a very select few decide what is best for the whole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with the analogy you imply (That people against federally funded socialist programs are hypocritical because they support the fire department) is a straw man because fire departments are typically funded almost entirely at the local level.The state offers to pay my father his health insurance as part of his pension.
If he takes social security, the federal government will not allow him to collect insurance from NYS that is already paid for.
Instead, they will make him go on medicare/medicaid which will cost the federal govt money.
In addition, to equal the already paid for services offered by the state, my father will have to pay additional money to buy "supplemental" insurance.In short, you can be against overaching, terribly managed, short sighted, and rights stealing federal programs and still be in support of smaller, more locally managed programs.I'm all for low level socialist programs because they are more controllable.
I'm against large national/federal ones because they are blight against society where a very select few decide what is best for the whole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911993</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1256837340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please explain how this is relevant. Untreated fires burn down entire cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please explain how this is relevant .
Untreated fires burn down entire cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please explain how this is relevant.
Untreated fires burn down entire cities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909427</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1256827440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the most funny post I have read about the wingnuts and their search for a cause.  You win the internet<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh wait, that might be anti-Flamer as the internet was built by the government</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the most funny post I have read about the wingnuts and their search for a cause .
You win the internet ... oh wait , that might be anti-Flamer as the internet was built by the government</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the most funny post I have read about the wingnuts and their search for a cause.
You win the internet ... oh wait, that might be anti-Flamer as the internet was built by the government</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932879</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256981280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets, capitalism, solving our problems.</i></p><p>More than 100 years ago we had robber barons.  We haven't had free markets since.  What we've had is a corporate aristocracy.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets , capitalism , solving our problems.More than 100 years ago we had robber barons .
We have n't had free markets since .
What we 've had is a corporate aristocracy .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>50-100 years ago we had this collective dream of free markets, capitalism, solving our problems.More than 100 years ago we had robber barons.
We haven't had free markets since.
What we've had is a corporate aristocracy.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909503</id>
	<title>Re:The People's Republic of Burlington, VT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm hoping the Failpoint situation will increase the push to get the <a href="http://ecfiber.net/" title="ecfiber.net" rel="nofollow">ECFiber</a> [ecfiber.net] program rolled out.  Comcast can suck it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm hoping the Failpoint situation will increase the push to get the ECFiber [ ecfiber.net ] program rolled out .
Comcast can suck it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm hoping the Failpoint situation will increase the push to get the ECFiber [ecfiber.net] program rolled out.
Comcast can suck it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909037</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910521</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256831880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure (i.e. only allowing private companies to build and maintain them). Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?</p></div><p>The Toll road system was a little like that before the interstate system went though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure ( i.e .
only allowing private companies to build and maintain them ) .
Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today ( or even standardized road signs ) if we had followed that model ? The Toll road system was a little like that before the interstate system went though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you imagine what this country would look like if we had treated paved roads like we have treated much of the rest of our infrastructure (i.e.
only allowing private companies to build and maintain them).
Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?The Toll road system was a little like that before the interstate system went though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29926319</id>
	<title>TDS</title>
	<author>twoHats</author>
	<datestamp>1256928420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am sure that they are no worse that the others, but my experience with TDS leads me to find no surprises here...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure that they are no worse that the others , but my experience with TDS leads me to find no surprises here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure that they are no worse that the others, but my experience with TDS leads me to find no surprises here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912741</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1256839860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?</p></div><p>I think it would be roughly the same, except the roads would be essentially run by the Automobile Industry Association of America, and you'd only be allowed to drive cars from a handful of major car companies on them.  Driving a car manufactured by Tesla Motors would get you a $10 million fine.  The AIAA would be able to write you their own tickets arbitrarily, with the force of law, but without any ability to challenge them in court.
</p><p>And when you complained, people would say, "Well what do you expect?  Car companies can't just provide the roads for free!  They have to make their money somewhere."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today ( or even standardized road signs ) if we had followed that model ? I think it would be roughly the same , except the roads would be essentially run by the Automobile Industry Association of America , and you 'd only be allowed to drive cars from a handful of major car companies on them .
Driving a car manufactured by Tesla Motors would get you a $ 10 million fine .
The AIAA would be able to write you their own tickets arbitrarily , with the force of law , but without any ability to challenge them in court .
And when you complained , people would say , " Well what do you expect ?
Car companies ca n't just provide the roads for free !
They have to make their money somewhere .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone honestly think we would have an interstate system today (or even standardized road signs) if we had followed that model?I think it would be roughly the same, except the roads would be essentially run by the Automobile Industry Association of America, and you'd only be allowed to drive cars from a handful of major car companies on them.
Driving a car manufactured by Tesla Motors would get you a $10 million fine.
The AIAA would be able to write you their own tickets arbitrarily, with the force of law, but without any ability to challenge them in court.
And when you complained, people would say, "Well what do you expect?
Car companies can't just provide the roads for free!
They have to make their money somewhere.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29914581</id>
	<title>Re:1 Million Strong Against our SOCIALIST Fire Dep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256847180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can I be part of the TEAFART party?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can I be part of the TEAFART party ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can I be part of the TEAFART party?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932899</id>
	<title>For you libertarians out that,</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256982000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.</i></p><p>Like what?</p><p><i>If you prefer more recent examples, look at what removing restriction from the financial system did.</i></p><p>What restrictions?  Like the restrictions on redlining neighborhoods with bad credit histories, thus making it easier for those who could not pay their mortgages to get one?  Like Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac guaranteeing loans for those who could not pay them back?  Fact is is the financial system was not deregulated, it had more regulations added.</p><p>Quite simply governments pressured mortgage originators to make loans to those who could not afford them.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.Like what ? If you prefer more recent examples , look at what removing restriction from the financial system did.What restrictions ?
Like the restrictions on redlining neighborhoods with bad credit histories , thus making it easier for those who could not pay their mortgages to get one ?
Like Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac guaranteeing loans for those who could not pay them back ?
Fact is is the financial system was not deregulated , it had more regulations added.Quite simply governments pressured mortgage originators to make loans to those who could not afford them .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest you look at what happened at the beginning of the industrial age before government intervention.Like what?If you prefer more recent examples, look at what removing restriction from the financial system did.What restrictions?
Like the restrictions on redlining neighborhoods with bad credit histories, thus making it easier for those who could not pay their mortgages to get one?
Like Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac guaranteeing loans for those who could not pay them back?
Fact is is the financial system was not deregulated, it had more regulations added.Quite simply governments pressured mortgage originators to make loans to those who could not afford them.
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29932691</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257020280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>People should only pay for what they use. They should not be forced to subsidize others, especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay.</i> </p><p>So make people pay depending on how much they drive on the roads.  Privatization of roads not needed for that.</p><p><i>There's no free lunch. Those roads will be paid for by someone. Who would you prefer to manage these roads, people who have no vested interest in the roads (public officials who get paid regardless) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service?</i></p><p>I certainly don't want another class of robber barons.  Nor do I want private property taken away from citizens and given to those robber barons.  And don't say it doesn't happen, ask those in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo\_v.\_City\_of\_New\_London" title="wikipedia.org">Kelo v City of New London</a> [wikipedia.org].  The city took people's property away and gave to a multinational business.  And not a century ago but several years ago.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People should only pay for what they use .
They should not be forced to subsidize others , especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay .
So make people pay depending on how much they drive on the roads .
Privatization of roads not needed for that.There 's no free lunch .
Those roads will be paid for by someone .
Who would you prefer to manage these roads , people who have no vested interest in the roads ( public officials who get paid regardless ) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service ? I certainly do n't want another class of robber barons .
Nor do I want private property taken away from citizens and given to those robber barons .
And do n't say it does n't happen , ask those in Kelo v City of New London [ wikipedia.org ] .
The city took people 's property away and gave to a multinational business .
And not a century ago but several years ago .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People should only pay for what they use.
They should not be forced to subsidize others, especially when they do not use those resources for which they pay.
So make people pay depending on how much they drive on the roads.
Privatization of roads not needed for that.There's no free lunch.
Those roads will be paid for by someone.
Who would you prefer to manage these roads, people who have no vested interest in the roads (public officials who get paid regardless) or private individuals whose livelihood depends on providing quality service?I certainly don't want another class of robber barons.
Nor do I want private property taken away from citizens and given to those robber barons.
And don't say it doesn't happen, ask those in Kelo v City of New London [wikipedia.org].
The city took people's property away and gave to a multinational business.
And not a century ago but several years ago.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909767</id>
	<title>Re:Privitization</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1256828940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should read Snow Crash.  It is set in a world just like that.  Different highways, each little fenced community is its own nation, with its own private security, etc...</p><p>Actually, I read the book for the first time a few months ago, and it completely creep-ed me out.  I was doing evaluating some stuff with Second Life at the time for work.. And this book in the 80's described Second Life perfectly.  Very creepy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should read Snow Crash .
It is set in a world just like that .
Different highways , each little fenced community is its own nation , with its own private security , etc...Actually , I read the book for the first time a few months ago , and it completely creep-ed me out .
I was doing evaluating some stuff with Second Life at the time for work.. And this book in the 80 's described Second Life perfectly .
Very creepy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should read Snow Crash.
It is set in a world just like that.
Different highways, each little fenced community is its own nation, with its own private security, etc...Actually, I read the book for the first time a few months ago, and it completely creep-ed me out.
I was doing evaluating some stuff with Second Life at the time for work.. And this book in the 80's described Second Life perfectly.
Very creepy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909537</id>
	<title>Re:I wish the system could do something good for o</title>
	<author>thickdiick</author>
	<datestamp>1256827920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The judges are charged with instructing the jury on the law. The jury's responsibility is to decide on matters of fact. The judge rules according to the facts decided and in accordance with the laws in effect. The problem is laws.
<br>
Why should there ever be a question about whether or not a minor gets tried as an adult?? The punishment should fit the crime whether they are a minor or an adult!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The judges are charged with instructing the jury on the law .
The jury 's responsibility is to decide on matters of fact .
The judge rules according to the facts decided and in accordance with the laws in effect .
The problem is laws .
Why should there ever be a question about whether or not a minor gets tried as an adult ? ?
The punishment should fit the crime whether they are a minor or an adult !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The judges are charged with instructing the jury on the law.
The jury's responsibility is to decide on matters of fact.
The judge rules according to the facts decided and in accordance with the laws in effect.
The problem is laws.
Why should there ever be a question about whether or not a minor gets tried as an adult??
The punishment should fit the crime whether they are a minor or an adult!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909777</id>
	<title>Re:Revoke TDS' exclusive license</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1256829060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Problem solved.  Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government.</p></div><p>You don't even need to go that far.  Just revoke their privilege to have their buried cable and utility lines be unmolested by the people whose yards they are planted in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem solved .
Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government.You do n't even need to go that far .
Just revoke their privilege to have their buried cable and utility lines be unmolested by the people whose yards they are planted in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem solved.
Actually I bet just the threat alone would be enough to make TDS fall on its knees and obey the government.You don't even need to go that far.
Just revoke their privilege to have their buried cable and utility lines be unmolested by the people whose yards they are planted in.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29912017</id>
	<title>Re:To All The Constitution Advocates</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1256837400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Al Franken wasn't elected because of his comedy work exactly. Starting with <i>Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot</i> he used his comedy celebrity to engage in political advocacy. You may disagree with his politics, but he does actually stand for something, and if you read his books and listen to his speeches he'll let you know exactly what he stands for.</p><p>I mean, if we're going to have a "no celebrities in politics" rule, then obviously Ronald Reagan should never have been president, but often the same folks who vilify Senator Franken for being an ill-informed celebrity are the same folks who wanted to name an airport after Reagan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Al Franken was n't elected because of his comedy work exactly .
Starting with Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot he used his comedy celebrity to engage in political advocacy .
You may disagree with his politics , but he does actually stand for something , and if you read his books and listen to his speeches he 'll let you know exactly what he stands for.I mean , if we 're going to have a " no celebrities in politics " rule , then obviously Ronald Reagan should never have been president , but often the same folks who vilify Senator Franken for being an ill-informed celebrity are the same folks who wanted to name an airport after Reagan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Al Franken wasn't elected because of his comedy work exactly.
Starting with Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot he used his comedy celebrity to engage in political advocacy.
You may disagree with his politics, but he does actually stand for something, and if you read his books and listen to his speeches he'll let you know exactly what he stands for.I mean, if we're going to have a "no celebrities in politics" rule, then obviously Ronald Reagan should never have been president, but often the same folks who vilify Senator Franken for being an ill-informed celebrity are the same folks who wanted to name an airport after Reagan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29910981</id>
	<title>Re:free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They sold their arms to buy stakes in monopolies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They sold their arms to buy stakes in monopolies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They sold their arms to buy stakes in monopolies.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Link to the Decision</title>
	<author>Rageon</author>
	<datestamp>1256829360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the text of the decision, this was the telco's argument:<blockquote><div><p>Bridgewater's statutory claims focus on two provisions in Minn.Stat.  475.52, subd. 1. First, Bridgewater contends that Monticello did not have the statutory authority to issue the bonds because the Fiber Project is not a &ldquo;utility or other public convenience from which a revenue is or may be derived.&rdquo; Minn.Stat.  475.52, subd. 1. Second, Bridgewater asserts that Monticello intends to improperly apply the bond proceeds to pay current expenses, which is explicitly prohibited by the statute. Interpretation of these statutory provisions is an issue of first impression in Minnesota.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>


<a href="http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctappub/0906/opa081928-0602.pdf" title="state.mn.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctappub/0906/opa081928-0602.pdf</a> [state.mn.us]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the text of the decision , this was the telco 's argument : Bridgewater 's statutory claims focus on two provisions in Minn.Stat .
475.52 , subd .
1. First , Bridgewater contends that Monticello did not have the statutory authority to issue the bonds because the Fiber Project is not a    utility or other public convenience from which a revenue is or may be derived.    Minn.Stat .
475.52 , subd .
1. Second , Bridgewater asserts that Monticello intends to improperly apply the bond proceeds to pay current expenses , which is explicitly prohibited by the statute .
Interpretation of these statutory provisions is an issue of first impression in Minnesota .
http : //www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctappub/0906/opa081928-0602.pdf [ state.mn.us ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the text of the decision, this was the telco's argument:Bridgewater's statutory claims focus on two provisions in Minn.Stat.
475.52, subd.
1. First, Bridgewater contends that Monticello did not have the statutory authority to issue the bonds because the Fiber Project is not a “utility or other public convenience from which a revenue is or may be derived.” Minn.Stat.
475.52, subd.
1. Second, Bridgewater asserts that Monticello intends to improperly apply the bond proceeds to pay current expenses, which is explicitly prohibited by the statute.
Interpretation of these statutory provisions is an issue of first impression in Minnesota.
http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/ctappub/0906/opa081928-0602.pdf [state.mn.us]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29909615</id>
	<title>To All The Constitution Advocates</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1256828340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Constitution defines the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. All other powers are reserved for the state. Nothing, even in looking at the founding father's writings imply that LOCAL GOVERNMENT cannot compete with private industry. The City of Monticello is not, despite the suprising ignorance shown here this topic, part of the Federal Government.</p><p>The City is more then capable of telling you what colors you can paint your house, where you can and cannot plant trees, and so forth. The issue building permits and license everything from the number of dogs you can have to how often you can water your lawn. They also can restrict businesses from opening from granting licenses to zoning requirements.</p><p>Cities and Counties and even States run and operate businesses as far back as the 13 colonies. We have Police Depts, Fire Depts, various inspectors (electrical (state),  building (city), surveyors (county), assessors, DNR, etc... All of which can be hired in the capacity of a business in the form of permits and special services (Fire dept. will burn a building down for you, police can be hired for security for special events, etc.)</p><p>The sheer ignorance and lack of understanding of what the Constitution of the United States actually does is astonishing. The fact that when I was in high school and we were required in social studies to actually read the federalist papers compared to the teachers now that, "that stuff is nothing but a bunch of lies" thank you teachers union in district 622 here in MN speaks on how much misinformation exists on the purpose.</p><p>Of course I expect little from my home state now, we've elected a wrestler and now a bad comedian. Perhaps Louie Anderson can run against Frankin... Hell I'd be happy to have KKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN! KKKKKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN!!!! tossed out...</p><p>For those that do understand the Constitution, kudos for keeping the arguments rooted in reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Constitution defines the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT .
All other powers are reserved for the state .
Nothing , even in looking at the founding father 's writings imply that LOCAL GOVERNMENT can not compete with private industry .
The City of Monticello is not , despite the suprising ignorance shown here this topic , part of the Federal Government.The City is more then capable of telling you what colors you can paint your house , where you can and can not plant trees , and so forth .
The issue building permits and license everything from the number of dogs you can have to how often you can water your lawn .
They also can restrict businesses from opening from granting licenses to zoning requirements.Cities and Counties and even States run and operate businesses as far back as the 13 colonies .
We have Police Depts , Fire Depts , various inspectors ( electrical ( state ) , building ( city ) , surveyors ( county ) , assessors , DNR , etc... All of which can be hired in the capacity of a business in the form of permits and special services ( Fire dept .
will burn a building down for you , police can be hired for security for special events , etc .
) The sheer ignorance and lack of understanding of what the Constitution of the United States actually does is astonishing .
The fact that when I was in high school and we were required in social studies to actually read the federalist papers compared to the teachers now that , " that stuff is nothing but a bunch of lies " thank you teachers union in district 622 here in MN speaks on how much misinformation exists on the purpose.Of course I expect little from my home state now , we 've elected a wrestler and now a bad comedian .
Perhaps Louie Anderson can run against Frankin... Hell I 'd be happy to have KKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN !
KKKKKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN ! ! ! ! tossed out...For those that do understand the Constitution , kudos for keeping the arguments rooted in reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Constitution defines the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
All other powers are reserved for the state.
Nothing, even in looking at the founding father's writings imply that LOCAL GOVERNMENT cannot compete with private industry.
The City of Monticello is not, despite the suprising ignorance shown here this topic, part of the Federal Government.The City is more then capable of telling you what colors you can paint your house, where you can and cannot plant trees, and so forth.
The issue building permits and license everything from the number of dogs you can have to how often you can water your lawn.
They also can restrict businesses from opening from granting licenses to zoning requirements.Cities and Counties and even States run and operate businesses as far back as the 13 colonies.
We have Police Depts, Fire Depts, various inspectors (electrical (state),  building (city), surveyors (county), assessors, DNR, etc... All of which can be hired in the capacity of a business in the form of permits and special services (Fire dept.
will burn a building down for you, police can be hired for security for special events, etc.
)The sheer ignorance and lack of understanding of what the Constitution of the United States actually does is astonishing.
The fact that when I was in high school and we were required in social studies to actually read the federalist papers compared to the teachers now that, "that stuff is nothing but a bunch of lies" thank you teachers union in district 622 here in MN speaks on how much misinformation exists on the purpose.Of course I expect little from my home state now, we've elected a wrestler and now a bad comedian.
Perhaps Louie Anderson can run against Frankin... Hell I'd be happy to have KKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN!
KKKKKKKAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNN!!!! tossed out...For those that do understand the Constitution, kudos for keeping the arguments rooted in reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_29_0457206.29911817</id>
	<title>Re:I would have taken the lawsuit</title>
	<author>dunezone</author>
	<datestamp>1256836560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It came down to the votes. This required voter approval and it was rejected, it ended all chances of it ever happening.
<br>
<br>
I think the point is that a government body had to threaten to do it themselves before a for-profit company would come in and provide the service. And its not like we are in the middle of nowhere, 50miles outside of Chicago, 5miles outside of Naperville and with a populate of 100k+ for the three cities combined.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It came down to the votes .
This required voter approval and it was rejected , it ended all chances of it ever happening .
I think the point is that a government body had to threaten to do it themselves before a for-profit company would come in and provide the service .
And its not like we are in the middle of nowhere , 50miles outside of Chicago , 5miles outside of Naperville and with a populate of 100k + for the three cities combined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It came down to the votes.
This required voter approval and it was rejected, it ended all chances of it ever happening.
I think the point is that a government body had to threaten to do it themselves before a for-profit company would come in and provide the service.
And its not like we are in the middle of nowhere, 50miles outside of Chicago, 5miles outside of Naperville and with a populate of 100k+ for the three cities combined.</sentencetext>
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