<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_27_1559248</id>
	<title>Reliability of PC Flash SSDs?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256660100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"SATA and IDE flash solid-state disks are all the rage these days &mdash; faster and, allegedly, more reliable than traditional spinning-rust disks.  My organization dipped its toe in the flash-disk waters, buying a handful for some PC and Linux boxes. Out of 8 drives from various manufacturers, 3 have failed in the space of four months! Some are reporting bad blocks, others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely. (And no, this isn't a wear-leveling issue, nor were these machines in particularly harsh environmental conditions, nor were all failed drives from the same manufacturer.) So I ask you, the readers of Slashdot: what has your experience been like with basic, consumer-grade SATA or IDE flash drives? Are they failing for you too, or are we just unlucky? It's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that, in reality, have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/business/energy-environment/28bulbs.html">turned out to be BS</a>!"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " SATA and IDE flash solid-state disks are all the rage these days    faster and , allegedly , more reliable than traditional spinning-rust disks .
My organization dipped its toe in the flash-disk waters , buying a handful for some PC and Linux boxes .
Out of 8 drives from various manufacturers , 3 have failed in the space of four months !
Some are reporting bad blocks , others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely .
( And no , this is n't a wear-leveling issue , nor were these machines in particularly harsh environmental conditions , nor were all failed drives from the same manufacturer .
) So I ask you , the readers of Slashdot : what has your experience been like with basic , consumer-grade SATA or IDE flash drives ?
Are they failing for you too , or are we just unlucky ?
It 's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that , in reality , have turned out to be BS !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "SATA and IDE flash solid-state disks are all the rage these days — faster and, allegedly, more reliable than traditional spinning-rust disks.
My organization dipped its toe in the flash-disk waters, buying a handful for some PC and Linux boxes.
Out of 8 drives from various manufacturers, 3 have failed in the space of four months!
Some are reporting bad blocks, others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely.
(And no, this isn't a wear-leveling issue, nor were these machines in particularly harsh environmental conditions, nor were all failed drives from the same manufacturer.
) So I ask you, the readers of Slashdot: what has your experience been like with basic, consumer-grade SATA or IDE flash drives?
Are they failing for you too, or are we just unlucky?
It's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that, in reality, have turned out to be BS!
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29893439</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is SSH friendly</title>
	<author>BhaKi</author>
	<datestamp>1256667720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent down. This is utter BS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent down .
This is utter BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent down.
This is utter BS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886205</id>
	<title>Asus Phission working fine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256668920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Asus 1000, I got it specifically for the 40GB SSD. It was preowned, and used lightly. I've since been using it as the sole PC in my house for about a year now, using EXT3, I've not disabled aything, used it with EXT4 for a while as well, and it's holding up well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Asus 1000 , I got it specifically for the 40GB SSD .
It was preowned , and used lightly .
I 've since been using it as the sole PC in my house for about a year now , using EXT3 , I 've not disabled aything , used it with EXT4 for a while as well , and it 's holding up well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Asus 1000, I got it specifically for the 40GB SSD.
It was preowned, and used lightly.
I've since been using it as the sole PC in my house for about a year now, using EXT3, I've not disabled aything, used it with EXT4 for a while as well, and it's holding up well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892537</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256657040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, but he's Finnish, so being drunk all the time makes him about as reliable as any Windows user.</p><p>Next you'll start comparing hot girls to the Swedish Bikini team.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me ducks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , but he 's Finnish , so being drunk all the time makes him about as reliable as any Windows user.Next you 'll start comparing hot girls to the Swedish Bikini team .
/me ducks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, but he's Finnish, so being drunk all the time makes him about as reliable as any Windows user.Next you'll start comparing hot girls to the Swedish Bikini team.
/me ducks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887391</id>
	<title>toxicity doesn't compare</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256673780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes, we're talking about our famous poison arsenic, which is also a potent carcinogen</p><p>however, break that CFL, and your toddler gets a nice heavy sticky sweet ozone-mercury taste in the back of their throat, that fine white dust hanging in the air. joy</p><p>break that LED (a LOT harder to break, btw), and what do you get? a stable crystal. hell, you could probably swallow a gallium arsenide crystal and it will pass through you, inert</p><p>now if you want to talk about mining, smelting, refining, fabricating, and disposal: yeah, gallium arsenide ain't pretty. but neither is mercury by the same measures. its just that in residential spaces (not the wider supply chain), gallium arsenide bits is a lot safer than mercury vapors and dust</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , we 're talking about our famous poison arsenic , which is also a potent carcinogenhowever , break that CFL , and your toddler gets a nice heavy sticky sweet ozone-mercury taste in the back of their throat , that fine white dust hanging in the air .
joybreak that LED ( a LOT harder to break , btw ) , and what do you get ?
a stable crystal .
hell , you could probably swallow a gallium arsenide crystal and it will pass through you , inertnow if you want to talk about mining , smelting , refining , fabricating , and disposal : yeah , gallium arsenide ai n't pretty .
but neither is mercury by the same measures .
its just that in residential spaces ( not the wider supply chain ) , gallium arsenide bits is a lot safer than mercury vapors and dust</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, we're talking about our famous poison arsenic, which is also a potent carcinogenhowever, break that CFL, and your toddler gets a nice heavy sticky sweet ozone-mercury taste in the back of their throat, that fine white dust hanging in the air.
joybreak that LED (a LOT harder to break, btw), and what do you get?
a stable crystal.
hell, you could probably swallow a gallium arsenide crystal and it will pass through you, inertnow if you want to talk about mining, smelting, refining, fabricating, and disposal: yeah, gallium arsenide ain't pretty.
but neither is mercury by the same measures.
its just that in residential spaces (not the wider supply chain), gallium arsenide bits is a lot safer than mercury vapors and dust</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886593</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>billtom</author>
	<datestamp>1256670600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note that the Torvalds article referenced is one year old (2 Oct 2008). The SSD space has, of course, changed a lot in the past year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that the Torvalds article referenced is one year old ( 2 Oct 2008 ) .
The SSD space has , of course , changed a lot in the past year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that the Torvalds article referenced is one year old (2 Oct 2008).
The SSD space has, of course, changed a lot in the past year.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886137</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256668680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't LEDs use up exotic metals that are in short supply already in the world (and thus are likely to grow even more expensive) like gallium?  Granted, the articles I saw on that awhile back may just be commodity price manipulation on the part of flippers, but it does seem like a bit of a concern that we just don't make enough of the stuff to supply the world's needs for something like switching all of the worlds lighting to LED.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't LEDs use up exotic metals that are in short supply already in the world ( and thus are likely to grow even more expensive ) like gallium ?
Granted , the articles I saw on that awhile back may just be commodity price manipulation on the part of flippers , but it does seem like a bit of a concern that we just do n't make enough of the stuff to supply the world 's needs for something like switching all of the worlds lighting to LED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't LEDs use up exotic metals that are in short supply already in the world (and thus are likely to grow even more expensive) like gallium?
Granted, the articles I saw on that awhile back may just be commodity price manipulation on the part of flippers, but it does seem like a bit of a concern that we just don't make enough of the stuff to supply the world's needs for something like switching all of the worlds lighting to LED.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887253</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Skweetis</author>
	<datestamp>1256673300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in an area that isn't serviced by an electric company, so I have a small solar array.  My power is always a perfectly clean 117 volts at the wall (at least until my inverter fails, I guess).  I still have all of the CF bulbs I bought 15 years ago at $30 each.  A friend who has normal electrical service bought some of the same ones at the same time, and none of them lasted more than three years.  So, yeah, electrical quality is important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in an area that is n't serviced by an electric company , so I have a small solar array .
My power is always a perfectly clean 117 volts at the wall ( at least until my inverter fails , I guess ) .
I still have all of the CF bulbs I bought 15 years ago at $ 30 each .
A friend who has normal electrical service bought some of the same ones at the same time , and none of them lasted more than three years .
So , yeah , electrical quality is important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in an area that isn't serviced by an electric company, so I have a small solar array.
My power is always a perfectly clean 117 volts at the wall (at least until my inverter fails, I guess).
I still have all of the CF bulbs I bought 15 years ago at $30 each.
A friend who has normal electrical service bought some of the same ones at the same time, and none of them lasted more than three years.
So, yeah, electrical quality is important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885619</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1256666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have used Philips and GE - both have an average lifetime of around 9 months in my applications.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used Philips and GE - both have an average lifetime of around 9 months in my applications .
        Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used Philips and GE - both have an average lifetime of around 9 months in my applications.
        Brett</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891561</id>
	<title>Looking AF long t-shirt woman in www.tntshoes.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256648820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  Welcome TO Our Website:  Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos.<br>
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<tokenext>Welcome TO Our Website : Http : //www.tntshoes.com         we are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos .
          pls find the more photos and the price for our product in our website,hellow see our website in the photos attached , on line shipping sotre , selling all kinds of brand new shoes,clothing , handbag,sunglasses,hats etc , if interested please email me by we are selling all brand new handbag , we take paypal as payment , .
shoes Nike jordan1-23 $ 23- $ 28 free shiping .
  OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Welcome TO Our Website:  Http://www.tntshoes.com
        we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos.
          pls find the more photos and the price for our product in our website,hellow see our website in the photos attached, on line shipping sotre, selling all kinds of brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc, if interested please email me by we are selling all brand new handbag, we take paypal as payment, .
shoes Nike jordan1-23 $23-$28 free shiping.
  OUR WEBSITE:
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885501</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a dozen CF bulbs go out on me... each of them in a smokey, poofy death.  Yep, I also see the brown burn stain inside the glass and sometimes goig down into the housing for the circuitry.  I do not think I've saved much $$$ yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a dozen CF bulbs go out on me... each of them in a smokey , poofy death .
Yep , I also see the brown burn stain inside the glass and sometimes goig down into the housing for the circuitry .
I do not think I 've saved much $ $ $ yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a dozen CF bulbs go out on me... each of them in a smokey, poofy death.
Yep, I also see the brown burn stain inside the glass and sometimes goig down into the housing for the circuitry.
I do not think I've saved much $$$ yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886385</id>
	<title>OCZ Failure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had an OCZ about a year ago -- the first was DOA, the second worked once or twice and then died.</p><p>I'll try again, but probably not one from OCZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had an OCZ about a year ago -- the first was DOA , the second worked once or twice and then died.I 'll try again , but probably not one from OCZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had an OCZ about a year ago -- the first was DOA, the second worked once or twice and then died.I'll try again, but probably not one from OCZ.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885879</id>
	<title>Restore</title>
	<author>tohands</author>
	<datestamp>1256667480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No more "Send your faulty HDD to us and we will restore your info from it using your reader"</htmltext>
<tokenext>No more " Send your faulty HDD to us and we will restore your info from it using your reader "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No more "Send your faulty HDD to us and we will restore your info from it using your reader"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892453</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1256656260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is blocked here too, but for a far more benign reason:</p><blockquote><div><p>Content blocked by your organization</p><p>Reason:This Websense category is filtered: Social Networking and Personal Sites.</p><p>URL:http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is blocked here too , but for a far more benign reason : Content blocked by your organizationReason : This Websense category is filtered : Social Networking and Personal Sites.URL : http : //torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is blocked here too, but for a far more benign reason:Content blocked by your organizationReason:This Websense category is filtered: Social Networking and Personal Sites.URL:http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885729</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1256666940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had about half of mine fail so far.  Mind you, I bought them about ten years ago, so I'm quite happy with that failure rate.  I generally have to replace one every 6-12 months.  I'm not sure when the last failure was; the electricity company sent me two through the post about a year ago and I haven't used either of them yet, so it must be over a year, but that's quite unusual.  This is in a house with wiring from the '50s (which is badly in need of replacing). </p><p>
They do lose brightness over time, however.  I generally combat this by moving the oldest ones into lamps and leaving the newest ones as room lights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had about half of mine fail so far .
Mind you , I bought them about ten years ago , so I 'm quite happy with that failure rate .
I generally have to replace one every 6-12 months .
I 'm not sure when the last failure was ; the electricity company sent me two through the post about a year ago and I have n't used either of them yet , so it must be over a year , but that 's quite unusual .
This is in a house with wiring from the '50s ( which is badly in need of replacing ) .
They do lose brightness over time , however .
I generally combat this by moving the oldest ones into lamps and leaving the newest ones as room lights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had about half of mine fail so far.
Mind you, I bought them about ten years ago, so I'm quite happy with that failure rate.
I generally have to replace one every 6-12 months.
I'm not sure when the last failure was; the electricity company sent me two through the post about a year ago and I haven't used either of them yet, so it must be over a year, but that's quite unusual.
This is in a house with wiring from the '50s (which is badly in need of replacing).
They do lose brightness over time, however.
I generally combat this by moving the oldest ones into lamps and leaving the newest ones as room lights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885347</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256665320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All Linus did was provide *initial quality* of the gadget.  That tells us nothing about long-term user.  Perhaps his shiny new Intel drive will fail next year.</p><p>Aside -</p><p>I have two traditional hard drives in my PC.  They've been running almost-nonstop since 2003.  Any idea how much longer I have until they crash?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All Linus did was provide * initial quality * of the gadget .
That tells us nothing about long-term user .
Perhaps his shiny new Intel drive will fail next year.Aside -I have two traditional hard drives in my PC .
They 've been running almost-nonstop since 2003 .
Any idea how much longer I have until they crash ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All Linus did was provide *initial quality* of the gadget.
That tells us nothing about long-term user.
Perhaps his shiny new Intel drive will fail next year.Aside -I have two traditional hard drives in my PC.
They've been running almost-nonstop since 2003.
Any idea how much longer I have until they crash?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885061</id>
	<title>If you are talking about 3 that failed...</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1256664120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>then to say "Some are reporting bad blocks, others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely..." is misleading.</p><p>You know the numbers, so tell them.  If the total is 3, then you can't use a plural for two separate types of failures   "some this, others that".  That is just logically impossible if the number of failures is 3.   Think about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>then to say " Some are reporting bad blocks , others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely... " is misleading.You know the numbers , so tell them .
If the total is 3 , then you ca n't use a plural for two separate types of failures " some this , others that " .
That is just logically impossible if the number of failures is 3 .
Think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then to say "Some are reporting bad blocks, others just crapped out and stopped responding entirely..." is misleading.You know the numbers, so tell them.
If the total is 3, then you can't use a plural for two separate types of failures   "some this, others that".
That is just logically impossible if the number of failures is 3.
Think about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885625</id>
	<title>Shouldn't heading say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256666520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"An anonymous Seagate or Western Digital or Hitachi employee writes:". Just sayin'...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" An anonymous Seagate or Western Digital or Hitachi employee writes : " .
Just sayin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"An anonymous Seagate or Western Digital or Hitachi employee writes:".
Just sayin'...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891845</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is SSH friendly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256650620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome!</p><p>
&nbsp; #ssh hax0r@datamine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... nothing...</p><p>do I need ultimate version or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome !
  # ssh hax0r @ datamine .... nothing...do I need ultimate version or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome!
  #ssh hax0r@datamine .... nothing...do I need ultimate version or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886407</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669940000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not BS... it just needs some refining. Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch. Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures. Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.<br>-------</p><p>But it is BS.</p><p>They were marketed in the same form factor as replacements for incandescents and have led to the removal of incandescents from the market, despite the fact that they totally fall down in applications for which incandescents worked just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not BS... it just needs some refining .
Do n't use CFLs on a dimmer switch .
Do n't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures .
Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.-------But it is BS.They were marketed in the same form factor as replacements for incandescents and have led to the removal of incandescents from the market , despite the fact that they totally fall down in applications for which incandescents worked just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not BS... it just needs some refining.
Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch.
Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures.
Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.-------But it is BS.They were marketed in the same form factor as replacements for incandescents and have led to the removal of incandescents from the market, despite the fact that they totally fall down in applications for which incandescents worked just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886311</id>
	<title>Re:Long Lifetime CFL "BS"</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1256669580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can call it BS, but it is not. I have one room where my CFLs have been going on two years. In my kitchen, they don't last three months. I figure it is due to three things. 1) It is directly under my son's room. He still likes to jump off the bed (he's six). This is normal, but I am sure shakes the heck out of the bulbs. 2) Temperature from being close to oven. 3) Lights are turned on and off many times a day.</p><p>None of these items are particularly unusual. If CFLs can't handle this, then I will not use them where they won't return a positive ROI for me. It is particularly irksome when governments think they should mandate that I use something... let me make the choices that are right for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can call it BS , but it is not .
I have one room where my CFLs have been going on two years .
In my kitchen , they do n't last three months .
I figure it is due to three things .
1 ) It is directly under my son 's room .
He still likes to jump off the bed ( he 's six ) .
This is normal , but I am sure shakes the heck out of the bulbs .
2 ) Temperature from being close to oven .
3 ) Lights are turned on and off many times a day.None of these items are particularly unusual .
If CFLs ca n't handle this , then I will not use them where they wo n't return a positive ROI for me .
It is particularly irksome when governments think they should mandate that I use something... let me make the choices that are right for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can call it BS, but it is not.
I have one room where my CFLs have been going on two years.
In my kitchen, they don't last three months.
I figure it is due to three things.
1) It is directly under my son's room.
He still likes to jump off the bed (he's six).
This is normal, but I am sure shakes the heck out of the bulbs.
2) Temperature from being close to oven.
3) Lights are turned on and off many times a day.None of these items are particularly unusual.
If CFLs can't handle this, then I will not use them where they won't return a positive ROI for me.
It is particularly irksome when governments think they should mandate that I use something... let me make the choices that are right for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888183</id>
	<title>Re:My SSD died yesterday</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256677140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you by any chance update the firmware in the process?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you by any chance update the firmware in the process ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you by any chance update the firmware in the process?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885783</id>
	<title>OCZ Vertex - so far so good</title>
	<author>magnosis</author>
	<datestamp>1256667120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have 2 of the 32GB OCZ Vertex II in a RAID-0 configuration for my OS (Windows 7).  Blazing fast and error-free since installation (3 months ago).<br>

As noted in my previous (anonymous) post Windows 7 is very friendly to SSD, it detects mine (even when RAID0 with the onboard ICH controller) and automatically turns of defrag.<br>

It should be noted that I selected the Vertex II based on excellent reviews, plus OCZ now uses a much improved chipset on them.  A bit pricey, but you get what you pay for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 2 of the 32GB OCZ Vertex II in a RAID-0 configuration for my OS ( Windows 7 ) .
Blazing fast and error-free since installation ( 3 months ago ) .
As noted in my previous ( anonymous ) post Windows 7 is very friendly to SSD , it detects mine ( even when RAID0 with the onboard ICH controller ) and automatically turns of defrag .
It should be noted that I selected the Vertex II based on excellent reviews , plus OCZ now uses a much improved chipset on them .
A bit pricey , but you get what you pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 2 of the 32GB OCZ Vertex II in a RAID-0 configuration for my OS (Windows 7).
Blazing fast and error-free since installation (3 months ago).
As noted in my previous (anonymous) post Windows 7 is very friendly to SSD, it detects mine (even when RAID0 with the onboard ICH controller) and automatically turns of defrag.
It should be noted that I selected the Vertex II based on excellent reviews, plus OCZ now uses a much improved chipset on them.
A bit pricey, but you get what you pay for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886089</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Ksevio</author>
	<datestamp>1256668380000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm with you there- I've had one in my desk lamp for several years now and it's still going fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you there- I 've had one in my desk lamp for several years now and it 's still going fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you there- I've had one in my desk lamp for several years now and it's still going fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886349</id>
	<title>Problems problems problems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to deal with an embedded network appliance company called F5 Networks.  They released a BSD/OS based load-balancer called BIG-IP that, at the time, was essentially an embedded Pentium-III system.</p><p>They attempted to market a SSD model of their BIG-IP that would supposedly see fewer drive failures.  A Lexar PCMCIA flash card attached to an EIDE converter was utilized.  The results were disastrous.  Constant logging to the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/ partition in conjunction with frequent updates to files' last-accessed date within the Berkley FFS file table resulted in premature failure at a massive level.  The company eventually issued a patch that would reduce file activity, but it was little more than a stopgap measure until a product recall could be executed.</p><p>Several years went by before they dipped their toes into the SSD arena again.  By this time, the drives were much better, and they still had their filesystem patches in from before.  But extremely heavy logging to the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/ partition still caused issues, and the official response from support was to either run a scandisk style program on the drives to map out bad blocks and then re-image the drives or to RMA the product back to the manufacturer.</p><p>Their current product, a Linux based load-balancer called Local Traffic Manager, utilizes both a SSD drive and traditional hard drive.  The owner of the equipment can choose which type of drive they want to operate from.  Our company just uses the traditional hard drive; we ditched the use of the solid-state flash drives.</p><p>Have flash drives gotten better in the decade since the fiasco with those Lexar drives?  Yeah.  But UFS partitions under a standard Linux install most likely abuse the SSD the same way that a standard install of BSD/OS did with FFS all those years ago.  You'll most likely need to find a way to reduce or eliminate the last-access filesystem updates, as well as sending syslog messages to a remote server with a traditional hard drive.  IMHO, the less writes you can do to the drive, the longer it will last.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to deal with an embedded network appliance company called F5 Networks .
They released a BSD/OS based load-balancer called BIG-IP that , at the time , was essentially an embedded Pentium-III system.They attempted to market a SSD model of their BIG-IP that would supposedly see fewer drive failures .
A Lexar PCMCIA flash card attached to an EIDE converter was utilized .
The results were disastrous .
Constant logging to the /var/ partition in conjunction with frequent updates to files ' last-accessed date within the Berkley FFS file table resulted in premature failure at a massive level .
The company eventually issued a patch that would reduce file activity , but it was little more than a stopgap measure until a product recall could be executed.Several years went by before they dipped their toes into the SSD arena again .
By this time , the drives were much better , and they still had their filesystem patches in from before .
But extremely heavy logging to the /var/ partition still caused issues , and the official response from support was to either run a scandisk style program on the drives to map out bad blocks and then re-image the drives or to RMA the product back to the manufacturer.Their current product , a Linux based load-balancer called Local Traffic Manager , utilizes both a SSD drive and traditional hard drive .
The owner of the equipment can choose which type of drive they want to operate from .
Our company just uses the traditional hard drive ; we ditched the use of the solid-state flash drives.Have flash drives gotten better in the decade since the fiasco with those Lexar drives ?
Yeah. But UFS partitions under a standard Linux install most likely abuse the SSD the same way that a standard install of BSD/OS did with FFS all those years ago .
You 'll most likely need to find a way to reduce or eliminate the last-access filesystem updates , as well as sending syslog messages to a remote server with a traditional hard drive .
IMHO , the less writes you can do to the drive , the longer it will last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to deal with an embedded network appliance company called F5 Networks.
They released a BSD/OS based load-balancer called BIG-IP that, at the time, was essentially an embedded Pentium-III system.They attempted to market a SSD model of their BIG-IP that would supposedly see fewer drive failures.
A Lexar PCMCIA flash card attached to an EIDE converter was utilized.
The results were disastrous.
Constant logging to the /var/ partition in conjunction with frequent updates to files' last-accessed date within the Berkley FFS file table resulted in premature failure at a massive level.
The company eventually issued a patch that would reduce file activity, but it was little more than a stopgap measure until a product recall could be executed.Several years went by before they dipped their toes into the SSD arena again.
By this time, the drives were much better, and they still had their filesystem patches in from before.
But extremely heavy logging to the /var/ partition still caused issues, and the official response from support was to either run a scandisk style program on the drives to map out bad blocks and then re-image the drives or to RMA the product back to the manufacturer.Their current product, a Linux based load-balancer called Local Traffic Manager, utilizes both a SSD drive and traditional hard drive.
The owner of the equipment can choose which type of drive they want to operate from.
Our company just uses the traditional hard drive; we ditched the use of the solid-state flash drives.Have flash drives gotten better in the decade since the fiasco with those Lexar drives?
Yeah.  But UFS partitions under a standard Linux install most likely abuse the SSD the same way that a standard install of BSD/OS did with FFS all those years ago.
You'll most likely need to find a way to reduce or eliminate the last-access filesystem updates, as well as sending syslog messages to a remote server with a traditional hard drive.
IMHO, the less writes you can do to the drive, the longer it will last.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885957</id>
	<title>Re:Like with the CF bulbs, cheap = not good.</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1256667780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Cheap memory will fail more often than good, expensive memory.  People seem to forget that SSD's are alot more like Memory, then Hard drives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheap memory will fail more often than good , expensive memory .
People seem to forget that SSD 's are alot more like Memory , then Hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheap memory will fail more often than good, expensive memory.
People seem to forget that SSD's are alot more like Memory, then Hard drives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891537</id>
	<title>Product specific, not SSD in general</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256648580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had no issues with Samsung/Corsair P256, out of about 12. Had one 32GB Corsair fail from about 9. No failures with 64GB Corsair X series. Had near 100\% failure rate with a batch of X128 Corsairs - 8 out of 10 comebacks. The replacements X128s have all be fine - hints at quality control issues. Interestingly enough, they all (X128s) failed on 2 different HP SmartArrays, after a week of solid testing on an Intel controller.</p><p>
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<tokenext>I 've had no issues with Samsung/Corsair P256 , out of about 12 .
Had one 32GB Corsair fail from about 9 .
No failures with 64GB Corsair X series .
Had near 100 \ % failure rate with a batch of X128 Corsairs - 8 out of 10 comebacks .
The replacements X128s have all be fine - hints at quality control issues .
Interestingly enough , they all ( X128s ) failed on 2 different HP SmartArrays , after a week of solid testing on an Intel controller .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had no issues with Samsung/Corsair P256, out of about 12.
Had one 32GB Corsair fail from about 9.
No failures with 64GB Corsair X series.
Had near 100\% failure rate with a batch of X128 Corsairs - 8 out of 10 comebacks.
The replacements X128s have all be fine - hints at quality control issues.
Interestingly enough, they all (X128s) failed on 2 different HP SmartArrays, after a week of solid testing on an Intel controller.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885163</id>
	<title>I Don't think they have been proven yet.</title>
	<author>olddoc</author>
	<datestamp>1256664600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I LOVE my flash drives in my desktop (OCZ) and Thinkpad (Samsung)
I'd hate to go back to legacy spinny storage, but I had 2 USB flash drives crap out recently. A 32GB OCZ and a 1GB no name recently failed without being abused.
I would be hesitant to place consumer ssds where there is no backup in place or where replacement is an issue.
The CFL reliability story is apropos: it is easy to slap a 10,000 hr rating on a bulb or a 1,000,000 hr MTBF rating on a SSD. In the real world, it might not work that way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I LOVE my flash drives in my desktop ( OCZ ) and Thinkpad ( Samsung ) I 'd hate to go back to legacy spinny storage , but I had 2 USB flash drives crap out recently .
A 32GB OCZ and a 1GB no name recently failed without being abused .
I would be hesitant to place consumer ssds where there is no backup in place or where replacement is an issue .
The CFL reliability story is apropos : it is easy to slap a 10,000 hr rating on a bulb or a 1,000,000 hr MTBF rating on a SSD .
In the real world , it might not work that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I LOVE my flash drives in my desktop (OCZ) and Thinkpad (Samsung)
I'd hate to go back to legacy spinny storage, but I had 2 USB flash drives crap out recently.
A 32GB OCZ and a 1GB no name recently failed without being abused.
I would be hesitant to place consumer ssds where there is no backup in place or where replacement is an issue.
The CFL reliability story is apropos: it is easy to slap a 10,000 hr rating on a bulb or a 1,000,000 hr MTBF rating on a SSD.
In the real world, it might not work that way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886931</id>
	<title>when it gets banned</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1256672100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>In Europe I think they are outright banning incandescents shortly. Then what? You can't just have no light in all those places you just said were inappropriate.</p><p>Well, I just checked, yes the ban went into effect last month (this is a pro-ban link)</p><p><a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/09/01/europes-incandescent-light-bulb-ban-begins-today/" title="inhabitat.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/09/01/europes-incandescent-light-bulb-ban-begins-today/</a> [inhabitat.com]</p><p>Merchants are allowed to close out remaining incandescent lightbulb inventory and that's it.</p><p>I therefore predicteth a robust and lucrative underground black market economy with incandescents in euro-peon-land, just because CFLs don't cut the mustard quite good enough yet for all applications, as you pointed out some examples thereof, and others have noted that they find them severely lacking for this or that reason.</p><p>Well, you want ketchup or mayo on that sammich? Whoops, sorry we *only* have ketchup, by law....</p><p>I just don't like the CFLs, the ones I have tried anyway. I'm down to one in the wellhouse and that's it, I removed the ones I had installed throughout the house, thinking I was being a good boy and all, and went back to cheap incandescents that are suitable for purpose. I found the CFLs won't light up a room from the ceiling, looks like twilight to me and defeats the whole purpose of having an overhead light, I can't use them for reading, the color and intensity are way off sitting next to a normal table lamp with one of those things in there, and for close work, forget it, I have to throw on a headlamp anyway then so what's the point?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I will hold out for cheaper/better LEDs instead,(I already have some portable battery operated ones I use now, mostly during the frequent power outages here in colonialized and exploited third world rural merika, and like them a lot, and they are just bargain basement el cheapo ten buck chinese camping lamps and they work just great, same batts for a few years now) and in the meantime, conserve energy in other areas<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me thinks about a rainy day nap right now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Europe I think they are outright banning incandescents shortly .
Then what ?
You ca n't just have no light in all those places you just said were inappropriate.Well , I just checked , yes the ban went into effect last month ( this is a pro-ban link ) http : //www.inhabitat.com/2009/09/01/europes-incandescent-light-bulb-ban-begins-today/ [ inhabitat.com ] Merchants are allowed to close out remaining incandescent lightbulb inventory and that 's it.I therefore predicteth a robust and lucrative underground black market economy with incandescents in euro-peon-land , just because CFLs do n't cut the mustard quite good enough yet for all applications , as you pointed out some examples thereof , and others have noted that they find them severely lacking for this or that reason.Well , you want ketchup or mayo on that sammich ?
Whoops , sorry we * only * have ketchup , by law....I just do n't like the CFLs , the ones I have tried anyway .
I 'm down to one in the wellhouse and that 's it , I removed the ones I had installed throughout the house , thinking I was being a good boy and all , and went back to cheap incandescents that are suitable for purpose .
I found the CFLs wo n't light up a room from the ceiling , looks like twilight to me and defeats the whole purpose of having an overhead light , I ca n't use them for reading , the color and intensity are way off sitting next to a normal table lamp with one of those things in there , and for close work , forget it , I have to throw on a headlamp anyway then so what 's the point ?
    I will hold out for cheaper/better LEDs instead , ( I already have some portable battery operated ones I use now , mostly during the frequent power outages here in colonialized and exploited third world rural merika , and like them a lot , and they are just bargain basement el cheapo ten buck chinese camping lamps and they work just great , same batts for a few years now ) and in the meantime , conserve energy in other areas /me thinks about a rainy day nap right now ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Europe I think they are outright banning incandescents shortly.
Then what?
You can't just have no light in all those places you just said were inappropriate.Well, I just checked, yes the ban went into effect last month (this is a pro-ban link)http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/09/01/europes-incandescent-light-bulb-ban-begins-today/ [inhabitat.com]Merchants are allowed to close out remaining incandescent lightbulb inventory and that's it.I therefore predicteth a robust and lucrative underground black market economy with incandescents in euro-peon-land, just because CFLs don't cut the mustard quite good enough yet for all applications, as you pointed out some examples thereof, and others have noted that they find them severely lacking for this or that reason.Well, you want ketchup or mayo on that sammich?
Whoops, sorry we *only* have ketchup, by law....I just don't like the CFLs, the ones I have tried anyway.
I'm down to one in the wellhouse and that's it, I removed the ones I had installed throughout the house, thinking I was being a good boy and all, and went back to cheap incandescents that are suitable for purpose.
I found the CFLs won't light up a room from the ceiling, looks like twilight to me and defeats the whole purpose of having an overhead light, I can't use them for reading, the color and intensity are way off sitting next to a normal table lamp with one of those things in there, and for close work, forget it, I have to throw on a headlamp anyway then so what's the point?
    I will hold out for cheaper/better LEDs instead,(I already have some portable battery operated ones I use now, mostly during the frequent power outages here in colonialized and exploited third world rural merika, and like them a lot, and they are just bargain basement el cheapo ten buck chinese camping lamps and they work just great, same batts for a few years now) and in the meantime, conserve energy in other areas /me thinks about a rainy day nap right now ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892667</id>
	<title>AnandTech's SSD Anthology and Follow-Ups</title>
	<author>JakFrost</author>
	<datestamp>1256658120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandatory reference below.  Read it and get informed about SSD's, performance, and issues with controllers and firmware problems.  Long story short, Intel is on top of the market, OCZ Vertex is a very close contender using Indilinx controllers.  Samsung, JMicron based drives suck very much.</p><p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/storage/" title="anandtech.com" rel="nofollow">AnandTech's - Storage</a> [anandtech.com]</p><p>Below is my own post about this topic a little while back when I got into SSD's.</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1192571&amp;cid=27509163" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot.org - Solid State Disk Benchmarks (Score 3, Informative)</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Also, be aware of shrinking flash cell sizes, 50nm was original flash chips, now 34nm in Intel's G2 line of MLC SSDs is popular.  Multi-Level Cells store 2 or more bits per cell, decreasing price at the cost of performance and reliability of read back.  Also future 3 or more bit MLC drives will offer even lower cost but also a lower reliability and less write cycles.  There was a great article about this problem a while back on Slashdot so just search for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandatory reference below .
Read it and get informed about SSD 's , performance , and issues with controllers and firmware problems .
Long story short , Intel is on top of the market , OCZ Vertex is a very close contender using Indilinx controllers .
Samsung , JMicron based drives suck very much.AnandTech 's - Storage [ anandtech.com ] Below is my own post about this topic a little while back when I got into SSD 's.Slashdot.org - Solid State Disk Benchmarks ( Score 3 , Informative ) [ slashdot.org ] Also , be aware of shrinking flash cell sizes , 50nm was original flash chips , now 34nm in Intel 's G2 line of MLC SSDs is popular .
Multi-Level Cells store 2 or more bits per cell , decreasing price at the cost of performance and reliability of read back .
Also future 3 or more bit MLC drives will offer even lower cost but also a lower reliability and less write cycles .
There was a great article about this problem a while back on Slashdot so just search for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandatory reference below.
Read it and get informed about SSD's, performance, and issues with controllers and firmware problems.
Long story short, Intel is on top of the market, OCZ Vertex is a very close contender using Indilinx controllers.
Samsung, JMicron based drives suck very much.AnandTech's - Storage [anandtech.com]Below is my own post about this topic a little while back when I got into SSD's.Slashdot.org - Solid State Disk Benchmarks (Score 3, Informative) [slashdot.org]Also, be aware of shrinking flash cell sizes, 50nm was original flash chips, now 34nm in Intel's G2 line of MLC SSDs is popular.
Multi-Level Cells store 2 or more bits per cell, decreasing price at the cost of performance and reliability of read back.
Also future 3 or more bit MLC drives will offer even lower cost but also a lower reliability and less write cycles.
There was a great article about this problem a while back on Slashdot so just search for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885103</id>
	<title>No problems here...</title>
	<author>thesameguy</author>
	<datestamp>1256664300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got a pair of Dell Mini 9s, one with a 4gb SSD and the other a 32gb.  Neither have had problems, although they only see maybe 1-2 hours of use daily.  We also run a pair of Dell XPS laptops - one 1340, one 1640, both with the 128gb Samsung (IIRC) SSDs.  Those systems are on and working 6-10 hours a day every day, no problems.  All four of these systems run XP; the 4gb Mini 9 runs a lightened version.  I've also got a home-built HTPC made out of mostly ASUS components running Win7RC on a Patriot 64gb SSD.  It's on 24x7, though never sees heavy use - just streaming movies from various places.  It's been flawless as well.

I've not heard of any SSD reliability grand conspiracy - maybe your users have personal magnetic fields that disrupt the traditional and proper flow of electrons?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a pair of Dell Mini 9s , one with a 4gb SSD and the other a 32gb .
Neither have had problems , although they only see maybe 1-2 hours of use daily .
We also run a pair of Dell XPS laptops - one 1340 , one 1640 , both with the 128gb Samsung ( IIRC ) SSDs .
Those systems are on and working 6-10 hours a day every day , no problems .
All four of these systems run XP ; the 4gb Mini 9 runs a lightened version .
I 've also got a home-built HTPC made out of mostly ASUS components running Win7RC on a Patriot 64gb SSD .
It 's on 24x7 , though never sees heavy use - just streaming movies from various places .
It 's been flawless as well .
I 've not heard of any SSD reliability grand conspiracy - maybe your users have personal magnetic fields that disrupt the traditional and proper flow of electrons ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a pair of Dell Mini 9s, one with a 4gb SSD and the other a 32gb.
Neither have had problems, although they only see maybe 1-2 hours of use daily.
We also run a pair of Dell XPS laptops - one 1340, one 1640, both with the 128gb Samsung (IIRC) SSDs.
Those systems are on and working 6-10 hours a day every day, no problems.
All four of these systems run XP; the 4gb Mini 9 runs a lightened version.
I've also got a home-built HTPC made out of mostly ASUS components running Win7RC on a Patriot 64gb SSD.
It's on 24x7, though never sees heavy use - just streaming movies from various places.
It's been flawless as well.
I've not heard of any SSD reliability grand conspiracy - maybe your users have personal magnetic fields that disrupt the traditional and proper flow of electrons?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885907</id>
	<title>Re:Reminds me of...</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1256667660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure manufacturers also count on people like myself who might not find it worth the trouble of tracking down a receipt in order to claim under warranty. And, of course, it is perfectly possible for them to exaggerate claims for reliability, given that the maximum payout figure for which they are liable is for no more than the cost of the media.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure manufacturers also count on people like myself who might not find it worth the trouble of tracking down a receipt in order to claim under warranty .
And , of course , it is perfectly possible for them to exaggerate claims for reliability , given that the maximum payout figure for which they are liable is for no more than the cost of the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure manufacturers also count on people like myself who might not find it worth the trouble of tracking down a receipt in order to claim under warranty.
And, of course, it is perfectly possible for them to exaggerate claims for reliability, given that the maximum payout figure for which they are liable is for no more than the cost of the media.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886251</id>
	<title>A purpose for everything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SSDs have their place.  It's just that it's not to replace HDs.</p><p>SSDs are replacements for optical drives and external HDs and such.  You know, basically storage media.  They are not meant to take the wear and tear of daily excessive reading/writing like mechanical HDs are.</p><p>That seems to be a recurring theme these days, using new technologies to replace old ones when the old technologies were actually better.  The CFL is a great example of this, since we've known for a long time that using fluorescent bulbs for certain purposes is a good thing.  They just don't actually work as an actual normal light bulb that well.  Also, LCD and plasma displays are great for presenting nearly static information on displays (wall displays, status displays, etc) but are less good for replacing standard CRTs at displaying varied content, especially content with a lot of motion.  Even newer displays have a slight amount of lag and a lot of tearing with any motion of the content being displayed.</p><p>Use the new technologies for what they are best at.  Going outside of those boundaries, even when modifying these core technologies to try to fit their unintended purpose, isn't a good thing.</p><p>I'm going to be modded down to hell for this because<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. mods don't know the difference in a well-stated point of view and a genuine troll.  So I might as well post anonymously.  Sad that people who try to tell a solid, alternate viewpoint to the established "truth" (note the quotes) these days have to do under a veil of secrecy to protect their own reputation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SSDs have their place .
It 's just that it 's not to replace HDs.SSDs are replacements for optical drives and external HDs and such .
You know , basically storage media .
They are not meant to take the wear and tear of daily excessive reading/writing like mechanical HDs are.That seems to be a recurring theme these days , using new technologies to replace old ones when the old technologies were actually better .
The CFL is a great example of this , since we 've known for a long time that using fluorescent bulbs for certain purposes is a good thing .
They just do n't actually work as an actual normal light bulb that well .
Also , LCD and plasma displays are great for presenting nearly static information on displays ( wall displays , status displays , etc ) but are less good for replacing standard CRTs at displaying varied content , especially content with a lot of motion .
Even newer displays have a slight amount of lag and a lot of tearing with any motion of the content being displayed.Use the new technologies for what they are best at .
Going outside of those boundaries , even when modifying these core technologies to try to fit their unintended purpose , is n't a good thing.I 'm going to be modded down to hell for this because / .
mods do n't know the difference in a well-stated point of view and a genuine troll .
So I might as well post anonymously .
Sad that people who try to tell a solid , alternate viewpoint to the established " truth " ( note the quotes ) these days have to do under a veil of secrecy to protect their own reputation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SSDs have their place.
It's just that it's not to replace HDs.SSDs are replacements for optical drives and external HDs and such.
You know, basically storage media.
They are not meant to take the wear and tear of daily excessive reading/writing like mechanical HDs are.That seems to be a recurring theme these days, using new technologies to replace old ones when the old technologies were actually better.
The CFL is a great example of this, since we've known for a long time that using fluorescent bulbs for certain purposes is a good thing.
They just don't actually work as an actual normal light bulb that well.
Also, LCD and plasma displays are great for presenting nearly static information on displays (wall displays, status displays, etc) but are less good for replacing standard CRTs at displaying varied content, especially content with a lot of motion.
Even newer displays have a slight amount of lag and a lot of tearing with any motion of the content being displayed.Use the new technologies for what they are best at.
Going outside of those boundaries, even when modifying these core technologies to try to fit their unintended purpose, isn't a good thing.I'm going to be modded down to hell for this because /.
mods don't know the difference in a well-stated point of view and a genuine troll.
So I might as well post anonymously.
Sad that people who try to tell a solid, alternate viewpoint to the established "truth" (note the quotes) these days have to do under a veil of secrecy to protect their own reputation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887891</id>
	<title>Screw SSDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256676060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Off the top of my head, here's some of the "out of warranty" drives I have at home.</p><p>WD 30GB IDE drive, 8 years old, works fine.<br>Seagate 120GB IDE drive, 4 years old, works fine.<br>Maxtor 6.4GB IDE drive, 10 years old, works fine. (from Powermac G3)<br>IBM 12GB IDE drive, 8 years old, works fine.<br>IBM 3.5GB IDE drive, 12 years old, works fine. (from Thinkpad 380XD)<br>IBM 4x4GB SCSI DASD array, 10 years old, works fine. (from AS/400)<br>IBM 4x9GB SCSI DASD array, 10 years old, works fine. (from AS/400)<br>Seagate 4.3GB SCSI drive, 13 years old, works fine. (several, from old SparcStations)<br>Seagate 1.2GB IDE drive, 15 years old, works fine.<br>Seagate 41MB IDE Type 17 drive, &gt;20 years old, works fine. (from Zenith 386)<br>Seagate 420MB SCSI drive, 20 years old, works fine. (from SGI Iris Indigo)<br>Seagate 1GB SCSI drive, 17 years old, works fine.<br>Rodime 210MB SCSI drive, 20 years old, works fine. (several, from HP workstations)<br>Conner 40MB SCSI drive, &gt;20 years old, works fine. (several, from old Macs)</p><p>I can count on one hand the number of drives I've had go bad on me:</p><p>Seagate 800MB IDE (completely died)<br>WD 640MB IDE drive (developed some bad sectors, still mounts, about 80\% readable, can't boot)<br>Seagate 2.5GB IDE drive (developed bad sectors, still mounts, about 50\% readable, can't boot)</p><p>The fact that people put up with hardware that basically instantly fails is a joke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Off the top of my head , here 's some of the " out of warranty " drives I have at home.WD 30GB IDE drive , 8 years old , works fine.Seagate 120GB IDE drive , 4 years old , works fine.Maxtor 6.4GB IDE drive , 10 years old , works fine .
( from Powermac G3 ) IBM 12GB IDE drive , 8 years old , works fine.IBM 3.5GB IDE drive , 12 years old , works fine .
( from Thinkpad 380XD ) IBM 4x4GB SCSI DASD array , 10 years old , works fine .
( from AS/400 ) IBM 4x9GB SCSI DASD array , 10 years old , works fine .
( from AS/400 ) Seagate 4.3GB SCSI drive , 13 years old , works fine .
( several , from old SparcStations ) Seagate 1.2GB IDE drive , 15 years old , works fine.Seagate 41MB IDE Type 17 drive , &gt; 20 years old , works fine .
( from Zenith 386 ) Seagate 420MB SCSI drive , 20 years old , works fine .
( from SGI Iris Indigo ) Seagate 1GB SCSI drive , 17 years old , works fine.Rodime 210MB SCSI drive , 20 years old , works fine .
( several , from HP workstations ) Conner 40MB SCSI drive , &gt; 20 years old , works fine .
( several , from old Macs ) I can count on one hand the number of drives I 've had go bad on me : Seagate 800MB IDE ( completely died ) WD 640MB IDE drive ( developed some bad sectors , still mounts , about 80 \ % readable , ca n't boot ) Seagate 2.5GB IDE drive ( developed bad sectors , still mounts , about 50 \ % readable , ca n't boot ) The fact that people put up with hardware that basically instantly fails is a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Off the top of my head, here's some of the "out of warranty" drives I have at home.WD 30GB IDE drive, 8 years old, works fine.Seagate 120GB IDE drive, 4 years old, works fine.Maxtor 6.4GB IDE drive, 10 years old, works fine.
(from Powermac G3)IBM 12GB IDE drive, 8 years old, works fine.IBM 3.5GB IDE drive, 12 years old, works fine.
(from Thinkpad 380XD)IBM 4x4GB SCSI DASD array, 10 years old, works fine.
(from AS/400)IBM 4x9GB SCSI DASD array, 10 years old, works fine.
(from AS/400)Seagate 4.3GB SCSI drive, 13 years old, works fine.
(several, from old SparcStations)Seagate 1.2GB IDE drive, 15 years old, works fine.Seagate 41MB IDE Type 17 drive, &gt;20 years old, works fine.
(from Zenith 386)Seagate 420MB SCSI drive, 20 years old, works fine.
(from SGI Iris Indigo)Seagate 1GB SCSI drive, 17 years old, works fine.Rodime 210MB SCSI drive, 20 years old, works fine.
(several, from HP workstations)Conner 40MB SCSI drive, &gt;20 years old, works fine.
(several, from old Macs)I can count on one hand the number of drives I've had go bad on me:Seagate 800MB IDE (completely died)WD 640MB IDE drive (developed some bad sectors, still mounts, about 80\% readable, can't boot)Seagate 2.5GB IDE drive (developed bad sectors, still mounts, about 50\% readable, can't boot)The fact that people put up with hardware that basically instantly fails is a joke.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886699</id>
	<title>"100W" CFL for $1 on sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256671080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"100W" CFLs were on sale for $1 recently.  I grabbed a bunch.  These were nice ones too, with almost zero warm-up time.</p><p>At that price who cares if they fail as fast as a regular bulb when you are burning 40W instead of 100 for the about same luminosity.</p><p>Well, the landfill owner does *coughmercurycough* but other than him and Mother Nature, who cares?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 100W " CFLs were on sale for $ 1 recently .
I grabbed a bunch .
These were nice ones too , with almost zero warm-up time.At that price who cares if they fail as fast as a regular bulb when you are burning 40W instead of 100 for the about same luminosity.Well , the landfill owner does * coughmercurycough * but other than him and Mother Nature , who cares ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"100W" CFLs were on sale for $1 recently.
I grabbed a bunch.
These were nice ones too, with almost zero warm-up time.At that price who cares if they fail as fast as a regular bulb when you are burning 40W instead of 100 for the about same luminosity.Well, the landfill owner does *coughmercurycough* but other than him and Mother Nature, who cares?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885667</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1256666700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 3 Lights of America CFLs laying right next to me.  They started flickering only a few months after install, and died less than a year later.  They should have lasted at least 5 years according to the warranty.</p><p>My GE CFLs come on nice-and-bright but they are limited in usage, because they are "swirls" and most of my lights don't accept swirls.  They require traditional round bulbs.</p><p>My Philips CFLs provide that nice round bulb, but they are slow to reach full brightness, which is rather annoying.  The 60-watt-equivalent bulb hanging upside-down in my kitchen is sometimes so dim, it looks like a brown dwarf star... barely any light at all.</p><p>In brief:<br>- CFLs hate temperature extremes.  CFLs hate dimmers.  CFLs hate being turned on and off.<br>- The savings on CFLs is trivial.  I'm not seeing smaller monthly bills.<br>- In fact I'm actually *wasting* money because of failed experiments with the LOA and Philips bulbs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 3 Lights of America CFLs laying right next to me .
They started flickering only a few months after install , and died less than a year later .
They should have lasted at least 5 years according to the warranty.My GE CFLs come on nice-and-bright but they are limited in usage , because they are " swirls " and most of my lights do n't accept swirls .
They require traditional round bulbs.My Philips CFLs provide that nice round bulb , but they are slow to reach full brightness , which is rather annoying .
The 60-watt-equivalent bulb hanging upside-down in my kitchen is sometimes so dim , it looks like a brown dwarf star... barely any light at all.In brief : - CFLs hate temperature extremes .
CFLs hate dimmers .
CFLs hate being turned on and off.- The savings on CFLs is trivial .
I 'm not seeing smaller monthly bills.- In fact I 'm actually * wasting * money because of failed experiments with the LOA and Philips bulbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 3 Lights of America CFLs laying right next to me.
They started flickering only a few months after install, and died less than a year later.
They should have lasted at least 5 years according to the warranty.My GE CFLs come on nice-and-bright but they are limited in usage, because they are "swirls" and most of my lights don't accept swirls.
They require traditional round bulbs.My Philips CFLs provide that nice round bulb, but they are slow to reach full brightness, which is rather annoying.
The 60-watt-equivalent bulb hanging upside-down in my kitchen is sometimes so dim, it looks like a brown dwarf star... barely any light at all.In brief:- CFLs hate temperature extremes.
CFLs hate dimmers.
CFLs hate being turned on and off.- The savings on CFLs is trivial.
I'm not seeing smaller monthly bills.- In fact I'm actually *wasting* money because of failed experiments with the LOA and Philips bulbs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886765</id>
	<title>Intel mainstream x-25</title>
	<author>Twilightman42</author>
	<datestamp>1256671380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Been using this on my Linux laptop for over a year, best investment I have made. Load times are instant, system scans lightning fast, and so far it has been 100\% reliable. I think brand can play a big part, a high quality SSD is expensive, but is very reliable. Same with CFB really, the 1$ 6 pack from the dollar store is not going to last as long as a nice one from a hardware store.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Been using this on my Linux laptop for over a year , best investment I have made .
Load times are instant , system scans lightning fast , and so far it has been 100 \ % reliable .
I think brand can play a big part , a high quality SSD is expensive , but is very reliable .
Same with CFB really , the 1 $ 6 pack from the dollar store is not going to last as long as a nice one from a hardware store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been using this on my Linux laptop for over a year, best investment I have made.
Load times are instant, system scans lightning fast, and so far it has been 100\% reliable.
I think brand can play a big part, a high quality SSD is expensive, but is very reliable.
Same with CFB really, the 1$ 6 pack from the dollar store is not going to last as long as a nice one from a hardware store.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887421</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256673960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably related to the massive amount of comment spam, which likely includes links to porn sites and/or viagra, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably related to the massive amount of comment spam , which likely includes links to porn sites and/or viagra , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably related to the massive amount of comment spam, which likely includes links to porn sites and/or viagra, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891553</id>
	<title>More than a year now, still going strong.</title>
	<author>Civil\_Disobedient</author>
	<datestamp>1256648700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using SSDs for my primary drives for more than a year now.  I'm a software developer and the IDE I use does <i>constant, intensive</i> code analysis, and it was crippling my productivity.  Switching to SSD has essentially taken I/O out of the performance equation.  They are, in a word, <b>incredible</b>.</p><p>Yes, they are expensive.  But the performance increases are so palpable, so immediately obvious, that I tell people it feels like going from from a Pentium 4 to a Core 2 Duo.  You could spend easily over two grand upgrading to the latest &amp; greatest I7 Extreme and not notice as much of a difference in performance as you would moving up from a 7200rpm rotating platter drive to an SLC SSD.</p><p>And as for the question of reliability, I have had <b>zero</b> problems with them.  <b>None</b>.  Of course, they're both Samsungs, not some no-name company that makes printers and decides they're going to try and break into the SSD market on a whim.  I've been harping on my manager to switch some of the more overloaded database servers to SSD for temp-table creation optimization.  One of these days...</p><p>Anyway, that's my two cents.  Oh, and make &amp; models of the drives I use at home and at work:</p><p><b>DRIVE #</b>1: SAMSUNG 2.5" 32GB SATA II SLC<br><b>Model #</b>: MCBQE32G5MPP-0VA00<br><b>Purchase Date</b>: 8/11/2008</p><p><b>DRIVE #2</b>: G.SKILL FS-25S2-64GB 2.5" 64GB SATA II SLC<br><b>Model #</b>: MCC0E64G5MPP (Re-branded Samsung)<br><b>Purchase Date</b>: 10/7/2008</p><p><b>SYSTEM USAGE</b>: Always-on, 24/7/365 system.<br><b>SOFTWARE USAGE</b>: Heavy J2EE software development, code inspection &amp; analysis.  Heavy application use (photographer in my spare time so plenty of Photoshop) and some Flex development on the side.  Home system doubles as media-center hub &amp; personal web server.</p><p><b>ADDITIONAL NOTES</b>: Basically, these things are used <b>constantly</b>, and have yet to fail me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using SSDs for my primary drives for more than a year now .
I 'm a software developer and the IDE I use does constant , intensive code analysis , and it was crippling my productivity .
Switching to SSD has essentially taken I/O out of the performance equation .
They are , in a word , incredible.Yes , they are expensive .
But the performance increases are so palpable , so immediately obvious , that I tell people it feels like going from from a Pentium 4 to a Core 2 Duo .
You could spend easily over two grand upgrading to the latest &amp; greatest I7 Extreme and not notice as much of a difference in performance as you would moving up from a 7200rpm rotating platter drive to an SLC SSD.And as for the question of reliability , I have had zero problems with them .
None. Of course , they 're both Samsungs , not some no-name company that makes printers and decides they 're going to try and break into the SSD market on a whim .
I 've been harping on my manager to switch some of the more overloaded database servers to SSD for temp-table creation optimization .
One of these days...Anyway , that 's my two cents .
Oh , and make &amp; models of the drives I use at home and at work : DRIVE # 1 : SAMSUNG 2.5 " 32GB SATA II SLCModel # : MCBQE32G5MPP-0VA00Purchase Date : 8/11/2008DRIVE # 2 : G.SKILL FS-25S2-64GB 2.5 " 64GB SATA II SLCModel # : MCC0E64G5MPP ( Re-branded Samsung ) Purchase Date : 10/7/2008SYSTEM USAGE : Always-on , 24/7/365 system.SOFTWARE USAGE : Heavy J2EE software development , code inspection &amp; analysis .
Heavy application use ( photographer in my spare time so plenty of Photoshop ) and some Flex development on the side .
Home system doubles as media-center hub &amp; personal web server.ADDITIONAL NOTES : Basically , these things are used constantly , and have yet to fail me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using SSDs for my primary drives for more than a year now.
I'm a software developer and the IDE I use does constant, intensive code analysis, and it was crippling my productivity.
Switching to SSD has essentially taken I/O out of the performance equation.
They are, in a word, incredible.Yes, they are expensive.
But the performance increases are so palpable, so immediately obvious, that I tell people it feels like going from from a Pentium 4 to a Core 2 Duo.
You could spend easily over two grand upgrading to the latest &amp; greatest I7 Extreme and not notice as much of a difference in performance as you would moving up from a 7200rpm rotating platter drive to an SLC SSD.And as for the question of reliability, I have had zero problems with them.
None.  Of course, they're both Samsungs, not some no-name company that makes printers and decides they're going to try and break into the SSD market on a whim.
I've been harping on my manager to switch some of the more overloaded database servers to SSD for temp-table creation optimization.
One of these days...Anyway, that's my two cents.
Oh, and make &amp; models of the drives I use at home and at work:DRIVE #1: SAMSUNG 2.5" 32GB SATA II SLCModel #: MCBQE32G5MPP-0VA00Purchase Date: 8/11/2008DRIVE #2: G.SKILL FS-25S2-64GB 2.5" 64GB SATA II SLCModel #: MCC0E64G5MPP (Re-branded Samsung)Purchase Date: 10/7/2008SYSTEM USAGE: Always-on, 24/7/365 system.SOFTWARE USAGE: Heavy J2EE software development, code inspection &amp; analysis.
Heavy application use (photographer in my spare time so plenty of Photoshop) and some Flex development on the side.
Home system doubles as media-center hub &amp; personal web server.ADDITIONAL NOTES: Basically, these things are used constantly, and have yet to fail me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890199</id>
	<title>Pioneers</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1256641980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a new technology. You're pioneers. You know how to tell the pioneers? They're the ones with arrows in their backs.</p><p>You have my honest thanks for taking an arrow for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a new technology .
You 're pioneers .
You know how to tell the pioneers ?
They 're the ones with arrows in their backs.You have my honest thanks for taking an arrow for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a new technology.
You're pioneers.
You know how to tell the pioneers?
They're the ones with arrows in their backs.You have my honest thanks for taking an arrow for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886537</id>
	<title>Re:Long Lifetime CFL "BS"</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1256670360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an incandescant bulb that has been burning for over 100 years. Do we rate all incandescant bulbs based on this extreme example, or on the more commonly seen lifetimes? In my experience, the lifetime of CFL's is nowhere near the 20 years that many of them claim. You're lucky if they see three years, then you have something that you are not allowed to toss in the garbage due to toxic chemicals.<br>CFL's flicker, buzz, and frequently don't start when you turn them on. They don't work well in cold weather, and often don't fit in the space inside the lamp. And you are going to be required to use them by law in the near future.<br>Blaiming CFL problems on the wiring is like blaiming your speaker problems on the fact you aren't using monster cables. If it works for incandescant bulbs (which require more power than CFL's) than it should work for CFL's. You'd need really borked wiring to have it otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an incandescant bulb that has been burning for over 100 years .
Do we rate all incandescant bulbs based on this extreme example , or on the more commonly seen lifetimes ?
In my experience , the lifetime of CFL 's is nowhere near the 20 years that many of them claim .
You 're lucky if they see three years , then you have something that you are not allowed to toss in the garbage due to toxic chemicals.CFL 's flicker , buzz , and frequently do n't start when you turn them on .
They do n't work well in cold weather , and often do n't fit in the space inside the lamp .
And you are going to be required to use them by law in the near future.Blaiming CFL problems on the wiring is like blaiming your speaker problems on the fact you are n't using monster cables .
If it works for incandescant bulbs ( which require more power than CFL 's ) than it should work for CFL 's .
You 'd need really borked wiring to have it otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an incandescant bulb that has been burning for over 100 years.
Do we rate all incandescant bulbs based on this extreme example, or on the more commonly seen lifetimes?
In my experience, the lifetime of CFL's is nowhere near the 20 years that many of them claim.
You're lucky if they see three years, then you have something that you are not allowed to toss in the garbage due to toxic chemicals.CFL's flicker, buzz, and frequently don't start when you turn them on.
They don't work well in cold weather, and often don't fit in the space inside the lamp.
And you are going to be required to use them by law in the near future.Blaiming CFL problems on the wiring is like blaiming your speaker problems on the fact you aren't using monster cables.
If it works for incandescant bulbs (which require more power than CFL's) than it should work for CFL's.
You'd need really borked wiring to have it otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892591</id>
	<title>Gee, new technology isn't as reliable as old tech?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256657580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?</p><p>No shit?</p><p>You mean when you are buying new tech, that isn't really in mass production and hasn't been around for 50 years that it isn't as reliable?</p><p>Who would have thought?</p><p>IF SSDs stick around for the time span that traditional magnetic drives have, I suspect they'll make them more reliable.  Thats part of the process, as time goes on the production process, technology, and knowledge of the technology result in faster, cheaper, and more reliable devices.</p><p>If you are just now figuring this out, you aren't a geek and shouldn't be posting on slashdot.  That includes most of the mods that approve these stories.</p><p>Oh how I miss the days when slashdot was for geeks with a clue and more than a months experience using a computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ? No shit ? You mean when you are buying new tech , that is n't really in mass production and has n't been around for 50 years that it is n't as reliable ? Who would have thought ? IF SSDs stick around for the time span that traditional magnetic drives have , I suspect they 'll make them more reliable .
Thats part of the process , as time goes on the production process , technology , and knowledge of the technology result in faster , cheaper , and more reliable devices.If you are just now figuring this out , you are n't a geek and should n't be posting on slashdot .
That includes most of the mods that approve these stories.Oh how I miss the days when slashdot was for geeks with a clue and more than a months experience using a computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?No shit?You mean when you are buying new tech, that isn't really in mass production and hasn't been around for 50 years that it isn't as reliable?Who would have thought?IF SSDs stick around for the time span that traditional magnetic drives have, I suspect they'll make them more reliable.
Thats part of the process, as time goes on the production process, technology, and knowledge of the technology result in faster, cheaper, and more reliable devices.If you are just now figuring this out, you aren't a geek and shouldn't be posting on slashdot.
That includes most of the mods that approve these stories.Oh how I miss the days when slashdot was for geeks with a clue and more than a months experience using a computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886225</id>
	<title>Re:Same type of experience here</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1256669040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im not buying one anytime soon either. Hopefully people will stop saying "OMG SSD ONLY FAILS ONE WAY: READ ONLY." Im sick of hearing that psuedowisdom on slashdot. SSD drives have many fail modes. 'Read only' is just one.  Most likely the thing just wont turn on or you'll have massive corruption. Its fast but its not more reliable than a mechanical hard disk.  Perhaps less so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im not buying one anytime soon either .
Hopefully people will stop saying " OMG SSD ONLY FAILS ONE WAY : READ ONLY .
" Im sick of hearing that psuedowisdom on slashdot .
SSD drives have many fail modes .
'Read only ' is just one .
Most likely the thing just wont turn on or you 'll have massive corruption .
Its fast but its not more reliable than a mechanical hard disk .
Perhaps less so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im not buying one anytime soon either.
Hopefully people will stop saying "OMG SSD ONLY FAILS ONE WAY: READ ONLY.
" Im sick of hearing that psuedowisdom on slashdot.
SSD drives have many fail modes.
'Read only' is just one.
Most likely the thing just wont turn on or you'll have massive corruption.
Its fast but its not more reliable than a mechanical hard disk.
Perhaps less so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886009</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1256668080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Luminosity is terrible in a lot of them.  They're too washed out even the 'ultra brights'.  You can see the flicker, as well as the cycle pulse from the bulb.  Which in my case leads to terrible earth shattering migraines.  Anything smaller then a 4ft florescent tube does the same thing, and those are pushing it.</p><p>I could go on but most of it for me is either health/mental related.  Take a head injury that messes up with your eyes and the world becomes a new and interesting place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Luminosity is terrible in a lot of them .
They 're too washed out even the 'ultra brights' .
You can see the flicker , as well as the cycle pulse from the bulb .
Which in my case leads to terrible earth shattering migraines .
Anything smaller then a 4ft florescent tube does the same thing , and those are pushing it.I could go on but most of it for me is either health/mental related .
Take a head injury that messes up with your eyes and the world becomes a new and interesting place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Luminosity is terrible in a lot of them.
They're too washed out even the 'ultra brights'.
You can see the flicker, as well as the cycle pulse from the bulb.
Which in my case leads to terrible earth shattering migraines.
Anything smaller then a 4ft florescent tube does the same thing, and those are pushing it.I could go on but most of it for me is either health/mental related.
Take a head injury that messes up with your eyes and the world becomes a new and interesting place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890445</id>
	<title>Re:Don't Defrag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256642880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote to GRC (Steve Gibson) support about using SpinRite on SSD in a blog post (<a href="http://www.everythingtech.net/2008/06/solid-state-drive-dos-and-donts" title="everythingtech.net" rel="nofollow"> Solid state drive do's and dont's</a> [everythingtech.net]) and this is what they said:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SpinRite was never designed for solid state media. So, we would not recommend running SpinRite on any solid state or flash drives.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SpinRite will be of *no* help or benefit with non-magnetic drives. In fact, since the total number of writes to Solid State Drives is somewhat limited, you should neither run SpinRite *nor* defrag these drives. You *MUST* also not run a swap file on these drives since that will tend to burn them out quickly.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thank you for your cooperation, time and patience.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Sincerely,</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gibson Research<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Technical Support</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote to GRC ( Steve Gibson ) support about using SpinRite on SSD in a blog post ( Solid state drive do 's and dont 's [ everythingtech.net ] ) and this is what they said :         SpinRite was never designed for solid state media .
So , we would not recommend running SpinRite on any solid state or flash drives .
        SpinRite will be of * no * help or benefit with non-magnetic drives .
In fact , since the total number of writes to Solid State Drives is somewhat limited , you should neither run SpinRite * nor * defrag these drives .
You * MUST * also not run a swap file on these drives since that will tend to burn them out quickly .
        Thank you for your cooperation , time and patience .
        Sincerely ,         Gibson Research         Technical Support</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote to GRC (Steve Gibson) support about using SpinRite on SSD in a blog post ( Solid state drive do's and dont's [everythingtech.net]) and this is what they said:
        SpinRite was never designed for solid state media.
So, we would not recommend running SpinRite on any solid state or flash drives.
        SpinRite will be of *no* help or benefit with non-magnetic drives.
In fact, since the total number of writes to Solid State Drives is somewhat limited, you should neither run SpinRite *nor* defrag these drives.
You *MUST* also not run a swap file on these drives since that will tend to burn them out quickly.
        Thank you for your cooperation, time and patience.
        Sincerely,
        Gibson Research
        Technical Support</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886737</id>
	<title>Thumb Drive</title>
	<author>BlueBoxSW.com</author>
	<datestamp>1256671320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm waiting for a thumb drive that lasts for more than 6 months.</p><p>Until then, I can't see trusting this technology with any important task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm waiting for a thumb drive that lasts for more than 6 months.Until then , I ca n't see trusting this technology with any important task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm waiting for a thumb drive that lasts for more than 6 months.Until then, I can't see trusting this technology with any important task.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29895505</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1256736300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>--LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the pan--</p><p>Maybe, but not for a while. Florescent bulbs surpassed incandescent  lights back in the late 50's to early 60's. Of course most of this was due to offices. Now the mercury in a CFL is a tiny amount in comparison but not impossible to deal with. Commercially they have been being changed out for years. We just need some way to recycle the bulbs and reuse the mercury. I wouldn't be too overly concerned if one busted out of many thousands.</p><p>The one thing I don't like about CFL's is well the consumer wanted them to look like incandescent lights. Now they have made that happen at the expense of brightness. Of course you can still buy the ones that have a different color balance, but they cost more and it is real hard to make an LED with that color balance. In fact most LED's have a real narrow spectrum. If you use a filter to correct it, you loose brightness.</p><p>In short I don't believe CFL's are going to be a flash in the pan. In fact they are just now really taking off as LED's will in the future. For now though the expense doesn't justify the savings for LED's being used as a primary light source. As a secondary source LED's are already hot (flashlights).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>--LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the pan--Maybe , but not for a while .
Florescent bulbs surpassed incandescent lights back in the late 50 's to early 60 's .
Of course most of this was due to offices .
Now the mercury in a CFL is a tiny amount in comparison but not impossible to deal with .
Commercially they have been being changed out for years .
We just need some way to recycle the bulbs and reuse the mercury .
I would n't be too overly concerned if one busted out of many thousands.The one thing I do n't like about CFL 's is well the consumer wanted them to look like incandescent lights .
Now they have made that happen at the expense of brightness .
Of course you can still buy the ones that have a different color balance , but they cost more and it is real hard to make an LED with that color balance .
In fact most LED 's have a real narrow spectrum .
If you use a filter to correct it , you loose brightness.In short I do n't believe CFL 's are going to be a flash in the pan .
In fact they are just now really taking off as LED 's will in the future .
For now though the expense does n't justify the savings for LED 's being used as a primary light source .
As a secondary source LED 's are already hot ( flashlights ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>--LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the pan--Maybe, but not for a while.
Florescent bulbs surpassed incandescent  lights back in the late 50's to early 60's.
Of course most of this was due to offices.
Now the mercury in a CFL is a tiny amount in comparison but not impossible to deal with.
Commercially they have been being changed out for years.
We just need some way to recycle the bulbs and reuse the mercury.
I wouldn't be too overly concerned if one busted out of many thousands.The one thing I don't like about CFL's is well the consumer wanted them to look like incandescent lights.
Now they have made that happen at the expense of brightness.
Of course you can still buy the ones that have a different color balance, but they cost more and it is real hard to make an LED with that color balance.
In fact most LED's have a real narrow spectrum.
If you use a filter to correct it, you loose brightness.In short I don't believe CFL's are going to be a flash in the pan.
In fact they are just now really taking off as LED's will in the future.
For now though the expense doesn't justify the savings for LED's being used as a primary light source.
As a secondary source LED's are already hot (flashlights).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887987</id>
	<title>Not my experience..... yet!</title>
	<author>Joao</author>
	<datestamp>1256676420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have 15 laptops in my office with SSD, and I have it running on my personal laptop as well.  So far, so good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have 15 laptops in my office with SSD , and I have it running on my personal laptop as well .
So far , so good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have 15 laptops in my office with SSD, and I have it running on my personal laptop as well.
So far, so good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886085</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1256668380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my experience, build quality matters a <b>lot</b> with CFLs.  No-name dollar store (or Walmart!) CFLs are almost uniformly terrible with slow start times, inconsistent colors, and short lives.  The ones that Home Depot sells appear to be quite good however, and I have been very happy with them, having replaced just about every light in my house and in my mother-in-laws house and only had 2 early deaths so far.  Many of these bulbs are going on 5+ years old now and still come on just as fast and bright as ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , build quality matters a lot with CFLs .
No-name dollar store ( or Walmart !
) CFLs are almost uniformly terrible with slow start times , inconsistent colors , and short lives .
The ones that Home Depot sells appear to be quite good however , and I have been very happy with them , having replaced just about every light in my house and in my mother-in-laws house and only had 2 early deaths so far .
Many of these bulbs are going on 5 + years old now and still come on just as fast and bright as ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, build quality matters a lot with CFLs.
No-name dollar store (or Walmart!
) CFLs are almost uniformly terrible with slow start times, inconsistent colors, and short lives.
The ones that Home Depot sells appear to be quite good however, and I have been very happy with them, having replaced just about every light in my house and in my mother-in-laws house and only had 2 early deaths so far.
Many of these bulbs are going on 5+ years old now and still come on just as fast and bright as ever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885173</id>
	<title>Like with the CF bulbs, cheap = not good.</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1256664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cheap SSD drives fail more often then good, expensive ones. This is not shocking news. Or at least it shouldn't be. But the vast majority of consumers never look past the capacity and purchase price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheap SSD drives fail more often then good , expensive ones .
This is not shocking news .
Or at least it should n't be .
But the vast majority of consumers never look past the capacity and purchase price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheap SSD drives fail more often then good, expensive ones.
This is not shocking news.
Or at least it shouldn't be.
But the vast majority of consumers never look past the capacity and purchase price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885737</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>valhallaprime</author>
	<datestamp>1256667000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It really depends on the brand of the bulb. I've had a few Philips that were bought in the 90's, used every night dusk till dawn outside, and they lasted 10+ years. In our school dorms, I replaced a few spots in the common area with a few of the older looped (not squared-off) Ikea 11W'ers. Light's are on 24/7/365. 6 of the 8 are at 2+ years now, that's almost 20,000 hours, on -already used- bulbs.</p><p>We replaced all the hall lights in the dorms with 13 watt and 20 watt CFL's, for a total of about 45 bulbs. All GE brand....4 have failed after 18 months of 24/7/365. The rest are still going strong. That's still way above their spec of 8,000hrs IIRC.</p><p>I've used a few FEIT and Lights Across America. One LAA had a "bad failure", where the ballast base actually started smoking. The FEIT's had a pretty wide range of color temp, for being the same model.</p><p>For organizations such as ourselves where we have areas that need to be lit 24/7/365, the savings are very easily calculated. In the 24/7 sockets, with myself and a student worker volunteering our time to purchase and install the bulbs, the cost of the bulb payed for itself in electric savings (city industrial rate, $0.141/kwh) in less than 5 weeks, over the 65W incan floods they replaced. Crazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It really depends on the brand of the bulb .
I 've had a few Philips that were bought in the 90 's , used every night dusk till dawn outside , and they lasted 10 + years .
In our school dorms , I replaced a few spots in the common area with a few of the older looped ( not squared-off ) Ikea 11W'ers .
Light 's are on 24/7/365 .
6 of the 8 are at 2 + years now , that 's almost 20,000 hours , on -already used- bulbs.We replaced all the hall lights in the dorms with 13 watt and 20 watt CFL 's , for a total of about 45 bulbs .
All GE brand....4 have failed after 18 months of 24/7/365 .
The rest are still going strong .
That 's still way above their spec of 8,000hrs IIRC.I 've used a few FEIT and Lights Across America .
One LAA had a " bad failure " , where the ballast base actually started smoking .
The FEIT 's had a pretty wide range of color temp , for being the same model.For organizations such as ourselves where we have areas that need to be lit 24/7/365 , the savings are very easily calculated .
In the 24/7 sockets , with myself and a student worker volunteering our time to purchase and install the bulbs , the cost of the bulb payed for itself in electric savings ( city industrial rate , $ 0.141/kwh ) in less than 5 weeks , over the 65W incan floods they replaced .
Crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really depends on the brand of the bulb.
I've had a few Philips that were bought in the 90's, used every night dusk till dawn outside, and they lasted 10+ years.
In our school dorms, I replaced a few spots in the common area with a few of the older looped (not squared-off) Ikea 11W'ers.
Light's are on 24/7/365.
6 of the 8 are at 2+ years now, that's almost 20,000 hours, on -already used- bulbs.We replaced all the hall lights in the dorms with 13 watt and 20 watt CFL's, for a total of about 45 bulbs.
All GE brand....4 have failed after 18 months of 24/7/365.
The rest are still going strong.
That's still way above their spec of 8,000hrs IIRC.I've used a few FEIT and Lights Across America.
One LAA had a "bad failure", where the ballast base actually started smoking.
The FEIT's had a pretty wide range of color temp, for being the same model.For organizations such as ourselves where we have areas that need to be lit 24/7/365, the savings are very easily calculated.
In the 24/7 sockets, with myself and a student worker volunteering our time to purchase and install the bulbs, the cost of the bulb payed for itself in electric savings (city industrial rate, $0.141/kwh) in less than 5 weeks, over the 65W incan floods they replaced.
Crazy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886437</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Kozz</author>
	<datestamp>1256670060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs, but I've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.<br>I think they are mostly Philips.</p></div><p>Purely anecdotal... back in 2005 my city was offering energy saving credits for taxpayers... you could choose from CFLs, blankets for your water heater, and other things I forget.  We got a big handful of high-quality CFL bulbs (yes, Philips, I believe) and they've been great.  I've taken them with me through two moves since then and have only replaced about half of them.  Not bad for four years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs , but I 've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.I think they are mostly Philips.Purely anecdotal... back in 2005 my city was offering energy saving credits for taxpayers... you could choose from CFLs , blankets for your water heater , and other things I forget .
We got a big handful of high-quality CFL bulbs ( yes , Philips , I believe ) and they 've been great .
I 've taken them with me through two moves since then and have only replaced about half of them .
Not bad for four years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs, but I've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.I think they are mostly Philips.Purely anecdotal... back in 2005 my city was offering energy saving credits for taxpayers... you could choose from CFLs, blankets for your water heater, and other things I forget.
We got a big handful of high-quality CFL bulbs (yes, Philips, I believe) and they've been great.
I've taken them with me through two moves since then and have only replaced about half of them.
Not bad for four years.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886207</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1256668980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store (Lowes or Home Depot, I forget which). The bulb looked like a flood light, but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside.</p><p>The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago, so I assume they were "modern".</p><p>I hated them. They were slow to start, and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes. I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year (maybe 1500 hours on them).</p></div><p>The nVision brand floodlights?  Although their regular lamps are pretty good, I've had a similar problems with their 120w-equivalents floods, they start especially dimly and slowly compared to other CFLs.  I bought 4 bulbs and one failed within a week.  BTW, I believe the pink cast at start mostly comes from the Argon base gas in the bulb.</p><p>Anyway, I've found Phillips CFL floodlights work much, much better.  I recently had one in a main Hallway ceiling, one of the old triple U-tube kind.  It finally burned out, and I discovered the receipt when changing the bulb -- I had kept it as an experiment to see how long it lasted.  Remember Hechinger's hardware stores, that went bankrupt in '99?  I bought the bulb during their bankruptcy sale, that's how long it lasted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store ( Lowes or Home Depot , I forget which ) .
The bulb looked like a flood light , but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside.The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago , so I assume they were " modern " .I hated them .
They were slow to start , and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes .
I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year ( maybe 1500 hours on them ) .The nVision brand floodlights ?
Although their regular lamps are pretty good , I 've had a similar problems with their 120w-equivalents floods , they start especially dimly and slowly compared to other CFLs .
I bought 4 bulbs and one failed within a week .
BTW , I believe the pink cast at start mostly comes from the Argon base gas in the bulb.Anyway , I 've found Phillips CFL floodlights work much , much better .
I recently had one in a main Hallway ceiling , one of the old triple U-tube kind .
It finally burned out , and I discovered the receipt when changing the bulb -- I had kept it as an experiment to see how long it lasted .
Remember Hechinger 's hardware stores , that went bankrupt in '99 ?
I bought the bulb during their bankruptcy sale , that 's how long it lasted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store (Lowes or Home Depot, I forget which).
The bulb looked like a flood light, but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside.The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago, so I assume they were "modern".I hated them.
They were slow to start, and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes.
I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year (maybe 1500 hours on them).The nVision brand floodlights?
Although their regular lamps are pretty good, I've had a similar problems with their 120w-equivalents floods, they start especially dimly and slowly compared to other CFLs.
I bought 4 bulbs and one failed within a week.
BTW, I believe the pink cast at start mostly comes from the Argon base gas in the bulb.Anyway, I've found Phillips CFL floodlights work much, much better.
I recently had one in a main Hallway ceiling, one of the old triple U-tube kind.
It finally burned out, and I discovered the receipt when changing the bulb -- I had kept it as an experiment to see how long it lasted.
Remember Hechinger's hardware stores, that went bankrupt in '99?
I bought the bulb during their bankruptcy sale, that's how long it lasted.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886585</id>
	<title>My OCZ 128GB still works, but it won't boot</title>
	<author>mi\_cuenta</author>
	<datestamp>1256670600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My OCZ 128GB with Windows XP SP3 lasted for 4 months in my Dell laptop, then it stopped booting. After trying to re-load it three times, I gave up and re-installed the original Laptop HD.
<p>
The SSD still works, it but it won't boot. It seems to me that specific boot sectors went bad.
</p><p>
--
Lessons from the masters: Jump-starting your PC will actually burn it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My OCZ 128GB with Windows XP SP3 lasted for 4 months in my Dell laptop , then it stopped booting .
After trying to re-load it three times , I gave up and re-installed the original Laptop HD .
The SSD still works , it but it wo n't boot .
It seems to me that specific boot sectors went bad .
-- Lessons from the masters : Jump-starting your PC will actually burn it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My OCZ 128GB with Windows XP SP3 lasted for 4 months in my Dell laptop, then it stopped booting.
After trying to re-load it three times, I gave up and re-installed the original Laptop HD.
The SSD still works, it but it won't boot.
It seems to me that specific boot sectors went bad.
--
Lessons from the masters: Jump-starting your PC will actually burn it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892515</id>
	<title>You weren't just unlucky.</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1256656860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>or are we just unlucky?</i> </p><p>.
</p><p>One way to find out is to run the numbers. How likely is it that 3 of 8 drives will fail in 4 months or less just by chance, assuming normally healthy drives?</p><p>You can work out the math the hard way, but simulation is faster and easier. I like R for the job:</p><p>

ssdfails=function() {
<br>
<br>	# test hypothesis that three of eight SSD drives failing
<br>	# in four months could happen by chance.
<br>	# Do 10,000 sets of eight drives.
<br>	# Give them a mean life of 48 months with s=12 months
<br>
<br>	a=rnorm(80000,48,12)
<br>	dim(a)=c(8,10000)
<br>
<br>	# mark the tests in which 3 or
<br>	# more drives fail in 4 months or less
<br>
<br>	b=colSums(a&lt;=4)&gt;=3
<br>
<br>	# add up the hits and output the ratio
<br>
<br>	sum(b)/10000
<br>}
<br> <br>&gt; source("C:\\prj\\R\\ssdfails.R")
<br>&gt; ssdfails()
[1] 0

</p><p>Zero of 10,000 trials says that the odds of it happening by chance are infinitesimal. You got crappy drives.</p><p>Maybe a little work for a foregone conclusion, but ain't science fun?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or are we just unlucky ?
. One way to find out is to run the numbers .
How likely is it that 3 of 8 drives will fail in 4 months or less just by chance , assuming normally healthy drives ? You can work out the math the hard way , but simulation is faster and easier .
I like R for the job : ssdfails = function ( ) { # test hypothesis that three of eight SSD drives failing # in four months could happen by chance .
# Do 10,000 sets of eight drives .
# Give them a mean life of 48 months with s = 12 months a = rnorm ( 80000,48,12 ) dim ( a ) = c ( 8,10000 ) # mark the tests in which 3 or # more drives fail in 4 months or less b = colSums ( a = 3 # add up the hits and output the ratio sum ( b ) /10000 } &gt; source ( " C : \ \ prj \ \ R \ \ ssdfails.R " ) &gt; ssdfails ( ) [ 1 ] 0 Zero of 10,000 trials says that the odds of it happening by chance are infinitesimal .
You got crappy drives.Maybe a little work for a foregone conclusion , but ai n't science fun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> or are we just unlucky?
.
One way to find out is to run the numbers.
How likely is it that 3 of 8 drives will fail in 4 months or less just by chance, assuming normally healthy drives?You can work out the math the hard way, but simulation is faster and easier.
I like R for the job:

ssdfails=function() {

	# test hypothesis that three of eight SSD drives failing
	# in four months could happen by chance.
# Do 10,000 sets of eight drives.
# Give them a mean life of 48 months with s=12 months

	a=rnorm(80000,48,12)
	dim(a)=c(8,10000)

	# mark the tests in which 3 or
	# more drives fail in 4 months or less

	b=colSums(a=3

	# add up the hits and output the ratio

	sum(b)/10000
}
 &gt; source("C:\\prj\\R\\ssdfails.R")
&gt; ssdfails()
[1] 0

Zero of 10,000 trials says that the odds of it happening by chance are infinitesimal.
You got crappy drives.Maybe a little work for a foregone conclusion, but ain't science fun?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885183</id>
	<title>One of 7 Transcends</title>
	<author>lcreech</author>
	<datestamp>1256664660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 7 Transcend SATA SSD's, 3 32GB and 4 192GB, one of the 192GB drives is flakey, random bad blocks and file curruption issues of files that had been fine but gone bad and have not been written to since their creation some months ago. I've reloaded it several times but eventually had to remove it from service because of its poor reliability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 7 Transcend SATA SSD 's , 3 32GB and 4 192GB , one of the 192GB drives is flakey , random bad blocks and file curruption issues of files that had been fine but gone bad and have not been written to since their creation some months ago .
I 've reloaded it several times but eventually had to remove it from service because of its poor reliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 7 Transcend SATA SSD's, 3 32GB and 4 192GB, one of the 192GB drives is flakey, random bad blocks and file curruption issues of files that had been fine but gone bad and have not been written to since their creation some months ago.
I've reloaded it several times but eventually had to remove it from service because of its poor reliability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888293</id>
	<title>Intel X25-M G2</title>
	<author>SlideGuitar</author>
	<datestamp>1256634420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel X25-M G2 (80gb) is a transformative computing experience.   Applications boot "instantly".  Of course I don't keep data files on an 80gb ssd drive... that's all over on standard 1TB platter.   Once I upgrade to Win7 with TRIM I'm hoping for performance to be maintained for a good long while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel X25-M G2 ( 80gb ) is a transformative computing experience .
Applications boot " instantly " .
Of course I do n't keep data files on an 80gb ssd drive... that 's all over on standard 1TB platter .
Once I upgrade to Win7 with TRIM I 'm hoping for performance to be maintained for a good long while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel X25-M G2 (80gb) is a transformative computing experience.
Applications boot "instantly".
Of course I don't keep data files on an 80gb ssd drive... that's all over on standard 1TB platter.
Once I upgrade to Win7 with TRIM I'm hoping for performance to be maintained for a good long while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885113</id>
	<title>Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html" title="blogspot.com">http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html</a> [blogspot.com]
<br> <br>
He sorta knows what he's talking about more often than a random average slashdotter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html [ blogspot.com ] He sorta knows what he 's talking about more often than a random average slashdotter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html [blogspot.com]
 
He sorta knows what he's talking about more often than a random average slashdotter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885059</id>
	<title>Early days for consumer SSDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When they've been making the damn things for as long as the spinning-rust disks, we will see. I suspect when they get the flash right and the manufacturing processes and the real-world support with TRIM and such things will get better than they could be with spinning rust. But consumer SSDs are currently behind and if you're actually buying for reliability SSDs are NOT there in the consumer space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When they 've been making the damn things for as long as the spinning-rust disks , we will see .
I suspect when they get the flash right and the manufacturing processes and the real-world support with TRIM and such things will get better than they could be with spinning rust .
But consumer SSDs are currently behind and if you 're actually buying for reliability SSDs are NOT there in the consumer space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they've been making the damn things for as long as the spinning-rust disks, we will see.
I suspect when they get the flash right and the manufacturing processes and the real-world support with TRIM and such things will get better than they could be with spinning rust.
But consumer SSDs are currently behind and if you're actually buying for reliability SSDs are NOT there in the consumer space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885137</id>
	<title>Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1256664480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs, but I've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.<br>I think they are mostly Philips.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs , but I 've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.I think they are mostly Philips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where people have been getting their compact fluorescent bulbs, but I've never experienced one actually wear out since they came on the market.I think they are mostly Philips.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886307</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>1000101</author>
	<datestamp>1256669580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"It's not BS... it just needs some refining. Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch. Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures. Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot."

Except you don't see that up front on the package when you buy it. If the consumer doesn't see that they will expect it to work like a standard bulb.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's not BS... it just needs some refining .
Do n't use CFLs on a dimmer switch .
Do n't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures .
Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot .
" Except you do n't see that up front on the package when you buy it .
If the consumer does n't see that they will expect it to work like a standard bulb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's not BS... it just needs some refining.
Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch.
Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures.
Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.
"

Except you don't see that up front on the package when you buy it.
If the consumer doesn't see that they will expect it to work like a standard bulb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885371</id>
	<title>I can't help you with your SSD issue, but the...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...CFL issue TFA is referring to is pretty clearly a case of PEBLAS</p><p>Problem Exists Between Lamp and Stepladder.</p><p>Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...CFL issue TFA is referring to is pretty clearly a case of PEBLASProblem Exists Between Lamp and Stepladder.Thank you , thank you , I 'm here all week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...CFL issue TFA is referring to is pretty clearly a case of PEBLASProblem Exists Between Lamp and Stepladder.Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886057</id>
	<title>64GB SSD in my Dell Mini 9 Hackintosh died</title>
	<author>lazyforker</author>
	<datestamp>1256668260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I upgraded the stock 8GB in my Dell Mini 9 with a Crucial 64GB half mini-PCIE PATA SSD (Part Number: CT64SSDN100P00).  I bought the SSD in mid-June, and it died mid-Sept.  The drive had ben installed in a Dell Mini 9; I'd installed OS X retail and had been using the device pretty lightly (usually 2-3 hours per week).  No warning signs whatsoever.  At least with my dying HDDs I get errors, bad blocks etc.

<p>Crucial's customer service was excellent but ultimately I had to get a refund since they no longer sell compatible SSD for my machine.

</p><p>My other experience has been with a replacement SSD in my early-2006 Intel Mac Mini. The HDD died (not a bad run - this is my HTPC, jukebox, photo repository etc so it's basically been on almost continuously) and I recently replaced it with a Kingston SSDNow V-Series 64 GB SATA2 2.5" drive.  So far, so good.  Silent, cooler and busier but ask me in 3 years about the reliability.

</p><p>I'm about to upgrade a laptop's HDD with a Crucial SSD - all I've done so far is format the new drive in an external enclosure and copy a large amount of data to the device.  It functioned completely reliably for both hours it was in use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I upgraded the stock 8GB in my Dell Mini 9 with a Crucial 64GB half mini-PCIE PATA SSD ( Part Number : CT64SSDN100P00 ) .
I bought the SSD in mid-June , and it died mid-Sept. The drive had ben installed in a Dell Mini 9 ; I 'd installed OS X retail and had been using the device pretty lightly ( usually 2-3 hours per week ) .
No warning signs whatsoever .
At least with my dying HDDs I get errors , bad blocks etc .
Crucial 's customer service was excellent but ultimately I had to get a refund since they no longer sell compatible SSD for my machine .
My other experience has been with a replacement SSD in my early-2006 Intel Mac Mini .
The HDD died ( not a bad run - this is my HTPC , jukebox , photo repository etc so it 's basically been on almost continuously ) and I recently replaced it with a Kingston SSDNow V-Series 64 GB SATA2 2.5 " drive .
So far , so good .
Silent , cooler and busier but ask me in 3 years about the reliability .
I 'm about to upgrade a laptop 's HDD with a Crucial SSD - all I 've done so far is format the new drive in an external enclosure and copy a large amount of data to the device .
It functioned completely reliably for both hours it was in use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I upgraded the stock 8GB in my Dell Mini 9 with a Crucial 64GB half mini-PCIE PATA SSD (Part Number: CT64SSDN100P00).
I bought the SSD in mid-June, and it died mid-Sept.  The drive had ben installed in a Dell Mini 9; I'd installed OS X retail and had been using the device pretty lightly (usually 2-3 hours per week).
No warning signs whatsoever.
At least with my dying HDDs I get errors, bad blocks etc.
Crucial's customer service was excellent but ultimately I had to get a refund since they no longer sell compatible SSD for my machine.
My other experience has been with a replacement SSD in my early-2006 Intel Mac Mini.
The HDD died (not a bad run - this is my HTPC, jukebox, photo repository etc so it's basically been on almost continuously) and I recently replaced it with a Kingston SSDNow V-Series 64 GB SATA2 2.5" drive.
So far, so good.
Silent, cooler and busier but ask me in 3 years about the reliability.
I'm about to upgrade a laptop's HDD with a Crucial SSD - all I've done so far is format the new drive in an external enclosure and copy a large amount of data to the device.
It functioned completely reliably for both hours it was in use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888665</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Briareos</author>
	<datestamp>1256635920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The page has deteriorated with spam comments so it's now about 3\% article, 7\% on-topic comments and 90\% SPAM, most of which is of the "undecipherable asian characters" variety...</p><p><i>np: The Beatles - A Day In The Life (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band)</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The page has deteriorated with spam comments so it 's now about 3 \ % article , 7 \ % on-topic comments and 90 \ % SPAM , most of which is of the " undecipherable asian characters " variety...np : The Beatles - A Day In The Life ( Sgt .
Pepper 's Lonely Hearts Club Band )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The page has deteriorated with spam comments so it's now about 3\% article, 7\% on-topic comments and 90\% SPAM, most of which is of the "undecipherable asian characters" variety...np: The Beatles - A Day In The Life (Sgt.
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886211</id>
	<title>1 year</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256668980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One year of light use.  The MTBF figures are completely fictitious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One year of light use .
The MTBF figures are completely fictitious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One year of light use.
The MTBF figures are completely fictitious.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885603</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>tonyreadsnews</author>
	<datestamp>1256666400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same here, that last comment made me think the question a bit trollish. This sort of thing happens with all products including incandescent bulbs, but I don't see any mention of that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here , that last comment made me think the question a bit trollish .
This sort of thing happens with all products including incandescent bulbs , but I do n't see any mention of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here, that last comment made me think the question a bit trollish.
This sort of thing happens with all products including incandescent bulbs, but I don't see any mention of that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885395</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1256665560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends a LOT on the quality of wiring and electricity that you have. CF bulbs have integrated electronics to get the power to what is needed to light up. If your house power is running out of spec, they can fail pretty quickly. Since an incandescent bulb has a large range of voltage that it'll respond and light up in, there's no problem with them in places with dirtier power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends a LOT on the quality of wiring and electricity that you have .
CF bulbs have integrated electronics to get the power to what is needed to light up .
If your house power is running out of spec , they can fail pretty quickly .
Since an incandescent bulb has a large range of voltage that it 'll respond and light up in , there 's no problem with them in places with dirtier power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends a LOT on the quality of wiring and electricity that you have.
CF bulbs have integrated electronics to get the power to what is needed to light up.
If your house power is running out of spec, they can fail pretty quickly.
Since an incandescent bulb has a large range of voltage that it'll respond and light up in, there's no problem with them in places with dirtier power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890789</id>
	<title>OCZ 60GB Solid is... Solid...</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256644560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ibought 4 of these last month to do testing... all have been from -10C to +85C (at 10C/min) and from 5\% RH to 95\%, and voltage margining to +/- 10\%, in a CSZ humidity/temperature chamber, and using a variable power supply of my own design.</p><p>Did walking 1's, random patterns, with sequential and random reads and writes... all fine... no problems... 4/4 drives 100\%...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ibought 4 of these last month to do testing... all have been from -10C to + 85C ( at 10C/min ) and from 5 \ % RH to 95 \ % , and voltage margining to + /- 10 \ % , in a CSZ humidity/temperature chamber , and using a variable power supply of my own design.Did walking 1 's , random patterns , with sequential and random reads and writes... all fine... no problems... 4/4 drives 100 \ % .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ibought 4 of these last month to do testing... all have been from -10C to +85C (at 10C/min) and from 5\% RH to 95\%, and voltage margining to +/- 10\%, in a CSZ humidity/temperature chamber, and using a variable power supply of my own design.Did walking 1's, random patterns, with sequential and random reads and writes... all fine... no problems... 4/4 drives 100\%...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29889417</id>
	<title>Review</title>
	<author>MikeURL</author>
	<datestamp>1256638920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guy buys SSD storage for his company without even doing a cursory review of the vendors.  The drives have a high failure rate.  THEN guy starts to do some research.  That is all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guy buys SSD storage for his company without even doing a cursory review of the vendors .
The drives have a high failure rate .
THEN guy starts to do some research .
That is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guy buys SSD storage for his company without even doing a cursory review of the vendors.
The drives have a high failure rate.
THEN guy starts to do some research.
That is all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885751</id>
	<title>Yo0 Fail It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">hype - BSD's pro-hlomosexual Romeo and Juliet and other party 4startling turn</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>hype - BSD 's pro-hlomosexual Romeo and Juliet and other party 4startling turn [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hype - BSD's pro-hlomosexual Romeo and Juliet and other party 4startling turn [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886067</id>
	<title>Intel X25M - one data point - works great!</title>
	<author>Dr. Crash</author>
	<datestamp>1256668260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought an Intel X25-M 160 Gb (MLC) from NewEgg within a month of them becoming<br>available.  I did do the Intel firmware update (from http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;DwnldID=17485 )<br>to get the 8850 firmware within a few days of the update coming out.</p><p>I can say "No problem, it *rocks*".  I can boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Studio in about five seconds from Ubuntu<br>splash to login prompt.  Mac OSX Leopard is similarly fast.</p><p>Of course, I paid something north of $600 for this privilege.  But to me, it's worth it.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Intel X25-M 160 Gb ( MLC ) from NewEgg within a month of them becomingavailable .
I did do the Intel firmware update ( from http : //downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail \ _Desc.aspx ? agr = Y&amp;DwnldID = 17485 ) to get the 8850 firmware within a few days of the update coming out.I can say " No problem , it * rocks * " .
I can boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Studio in about five seconds from Ubuntusplash to login prompt .
Mac OSX Leopard is similarly fast.Of course , I paid something north of $ 600 for this privilege .
But to me , it 's worth it .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Intel X25-M 160 Gb (MLC) from NewEgg within a month of them becomingavailable.
I did do the Intel firmware update (from http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail\_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&amp;DwnldID=17485 )to get the 8850 firmware within a few days of the update coming out.I can say "No problem, it *rocks*".
I can boot Ubuntu 9.04 / Studio in about five seconds from Ubuntusplash to login prompt.
Mac OSX Leopard is similarly fast.Of course, I paid something north of $600 for this privilege.
But to me, it's worth it.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886313</id>
	<title>Re:If you are talking about 3 that failed...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1256669580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A,B,C</p><p>A,B had bad blocks, and then a little while latter B,C failed.</p><p>You are assuming 1 problem per drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A,B,CA,B had bad blocks , and then a little while latter B,C failed.You are assuming 1 problem per drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A,B,CA,B had bad blocks, and then a little while latter B,C failed.You are assuming 1 problem per drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891349</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1256647620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is always some other technology just around the corner. I keep hearing about OLEDs for displays as well, but barring small cellphones they seem to be taking forever to get it to scale up in size and fix the longevity issues.. For indoor illumination for long periods.CFLs are still the best. More lumens/Watt and cheaper.
<p>
If everything was like we hear in these press releases, we would be using portable computers with foldable OLED screens, powered by direct methanol fuel cells, and wireless meshed networks like 4 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is always some other technology just around the corner .
I keep hearing about OLEDs for displays as well , but barring small cellphones they seem to be taking forever to get it to scale up in size and fix the longevity issues.. For indoor illumination for long periods.CFLs are still the best .
More lumens/Watt and cheaper .
If everything was like we hear in these press releases , we would be using portable computers with foldable OLED screens , powered by direct methanol fuel cells , and wireless meshed networks like 4 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is always some other technology just around the corner.
I keep hearing about OLEDs for displays as well, but barring small cellphones they seem to be taking forever to get it to scale up in size and fix the longevity issues.. For indoor illumination for long periods.CFLs are still the best.
More lumens/Watt and cheaper.
If everything was like we hear in these press releases, we would be using portable computers with foldable OLED screens, powered by direct methanol fuel cells, and wireless meshed networks like 4 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890695</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>serbanp</author>
	<datestamp>1256644140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can anyone state with a straight face that the light CCFLs make is as good as the one out of halogens or even incandescents? Reading printed material (you know, books) under CCFL lighting is still straining the eyes, despite all the recent marketing gimmicks ("daylight-like", "natural", "warm" etc).</p><p>Good thing the gov. people came to their senses and, while banning the regular incandescents, will still allow better-efficiency versions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone state with a straight face that the light CCFLs make is as good as the one out of halogens or even incandescents ?
Reading printed material ( you know , books ) under CCFL lighting is still straining the eyes , despite all the recent marketing gimmicks ( " daylight-like " , " natural " , " warm " etc ) .Good thing the gov .
people came to their senses and , while banning the regular incandescents , will still allow better-efficiency versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone state with a straight face that the light CCFLs make is as good as the one out of halogens or even incandescents?
Reading printed material (you know, books) under CCFL lighting is still straining the eyes, despite all the recent marketing gimmicks ("daylight-like", "natural", "warm" etc).Good thing the gov.
people came to their senses and, while banning the regular incandescents, will still allow better-efficiency versions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887739</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256675400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The blog post does not mention a quantitative, rigorous reliability study.  With regards to the topic in question, I don't think it is any more informative than feedback from the random average slashdotter.

<br> <br>
I suppose it is interesting nonetheless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The blog post does not mention a quantitative , rigorous reliability study .
With regards to the topic in question , I do n't think it is any more informative than feedback from the random average slashdotter .
I suppose it is interesting nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The blog post does not mention a quantitative, rigorous reliability study.
With regards to the topic in question, I don't think it is any more informative than feedback from the random average slashdotter.
I suppose it is interesting nonetheless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886815</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256671620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot. "</p><p>If you re-read what you wrote perhaps you'll realize that it BS too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot .
" If you re-read what you wrote perhaps you 'll realize that it BS too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.
"If you re-read what you wrote perhaps you'll realize that it BS too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886167</id>
	<title>Silent corruption in USB Flash</title>
	<author>gweihir</author>
	<datestamp>1256668800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not exactly the same, but I have now experienced silent corruption in two out of two flash drives that I git wrong data from. One was not written for some time and the other I destroyed in a continuous overwrite experiment. The real issue is that neither gave any read errors ever. That is very, very bad. I sure hope SSDs are better and at least report errors instead of silently giving you wrong data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not exactly the same , but I have now experienced silent corruption in two out of two flash drives that I git wrong data from .
One was not written for some time and the other I destroyed in a continuous overwrite experiment .
The real issue is that neither gave any read errors ever .
That is very , very bad .
I sure hope SSDs are better and at least report errors instead of silently giving you wrong data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not exactly the same, but I have now experienced silent corruption in two out of two flash drives that I git wrong data from.
One was not written for some time and the other I destroyed in a continuous overwrite experiment.
The real issue is that neither gave any read errors ever.
That is very, very bad.
I sure hope SSDs are better and at least report errors instead of silently giving you wrong data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29889317</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256638560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"It's not BS... it just needs some refining. Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch. Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures. Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot."</i></p><p>Hmmm. Let's compare to my house....<br>No dimmer switches.  Check.  (eliminate 25\% of lights)<br>Poor ventalation.  Check.  Darn.  All those globe lights and integrated fans are out.  There goes another 25\%.  I wonder about can lights?<br>Nothing that is turned off and on a lot.  Check.  There goes 90\%.  The kitchen stays on a lot.  The rest no.</p><p>Okay.  Other than that 90\%, I'm a big fan of CFL's!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's not BS... it just needs some refining .
Do n't use CFLs on a dimmer switch .
Do n't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures .
Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot. " Hmmm .
Let 's compare to my house....No dimmer switches .
Check. ( eliminate 25 \ % of lights ) Poor ventalation .
Check. Darn .
All those globe lights and integrated fans are out .
There goes another 25 \ % .
I wonder about can lights ? Nothing that is turned off and on a lot .
Check. There goes 90 \ % .
The kitchen stays on a lot .
The rest no.Okay .
Other than that 90 \ % , I 'm a big fan of CFL 's !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's not BS... it just needs some refining.
Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch.
Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures.
Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot."Hmmm.
Let's compare to my house....No dimmer switches.
Check.  (eliminate 25\% of lights)Poor ventalation.
Check.  Darn.
All those globe lights and integrated fans are out.
There goes another 25\%.
I wonder about can lights?Nothing that is turned off and on a lot.
Check.  There goes 90\%.
The kitchen stays on a lot.
The rest no.Okay.
Other than that 90\%, I'm a big fan of CFL's!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885489</id>
	<title>just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256665980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the pan</p><p>no toxic mercury, no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on, not nearly as fragile, lasts much longer, nicer white glow, similar very low energy usage...</p><p>but currently, they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is low</p><p><a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/" title="nytimes.com">http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/</a> [nytimes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the panno toxic mercury , no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on , not nearly as fragile , lasts much longer , nicer white glow , similar very low energy usage...but currently , they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is lowhttp : //bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/ [ nytimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the panno toxic mercury, no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on, not nearly as fragile, lasts much longer, nicer white glow, similar very low energy usage...but currently, they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is lowhttp://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/ [nytimes.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886029</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256668140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been looking like crazy, since the guy that remodeled the house I just bought loved Recessed can lights and dimmer switches.  Right now, the only bulbs I see that come close in the LED range cost about $120 each.  The CFL dimmables are crud, their lowest setting is still something like 75\% of max brightness, so they are very bright when the dimmer is all the way down. I need a replacement LED "can light" in the $30 dollar range, before I can do anything about them.  And the ones I have actually seen in that price range are designed for desklights and such, where they don't have to actually throw the light more than 2-3' from the bulb.</p><p>I really, really want to get rid of my old style bulbs, but the payback on 10x $120 bulbs is a very, very long time..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking like crazy , since the guy that remodeled the house I just bought loved Recessed can lights and dimmer switches .
Right now , the only bulbs I see that come close in the LED range cost about $ 120 each .
The CFL dimmables are crud , their lowest setting is still something like 75 \ % of max brightness , so they are very bright when the dimmer is all the way down .
I need a replacement LED " can light " in the $ 30 dollar range , before I can do anything about them .
And the ones I have actually seen in that price range are designed for desklights and such , where they do n't have to actually throw the light more than 2-3 ' from the bulb.I really , really want to get rid of my old style bulbs , but the payback on 10x $ 120 bulbs is a very , very long time. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking like crazy, since the guy that remodeled the house I just bought loved Recessed can lights and dimmer switches.
Right now, the only bulbs I see that come close in the LED range cost about $120 each.
The CFL dimmables are crud, their lowest setting is still something like 75\% of max brightness, so they are very bright when the dimmer is all the way down.
I need a replacement LED "can light" in the $30 dollar range, before I can do anything about them.
And the ones I have actually seen in that price range are designed for desklights and such, where they don't have to actually throw the light more than 2-3' from the bulb.I really, really want to get rid of my old style bulbs, but the payback on 10x $120 bulbs is a very, very long time..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886677</id>
	<title>SSD reliability</title>
	<author>Peter\_JS\_Blue</author>
	<datestamp>1256671020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 4 SSDs, 2 x 128 GB OCZ and 2 x 16GB Samsung</p><p>I get lots of problems with FreeBSD 7.2 on one OCZ (random drive crashes but easy to fix with fsck) but the other OCZ works fine on Ubuntu 8.04</p><p>One of the 16GB SSDs lost a partition a while back when running Fedora 9 needing a complete re-install.</p><p>In summary: SSDs are not particularly reliable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 4 SSDs , 2 x 128 GB OCZ and 2 x 16GB SamsungI get lots of problems with FreeBSD 7.2 on one OCZ ( random drive crashes but easy to fix with fsck ) but the other OCZ works fine on Ubuntu 8.04One of the 16GB SSDs lost a partition a while back when running Fedora 9 needing a complete re-install.In summary : SSDs are not particularly reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 4 SSDs, 2 x 128 GB OCZ and 2 x 16GB SamsungI get lots of problems with FreeBSD 7.2 on one OCZ (random drive crashes but easy to fix with fsck) but the other OCZ works fine on Ubuntu 8.04One of the 16GB SSDs lost a partition a while back when running Fedora 9 needing a complete re-install.In summary: SSDs are not particularly reliable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886277</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've already "burned" through 3 mercury filled CFL's. I don't like the freq at which the lights operate at either as they conflict with the freq of my LCD.  We know that they don't last forever, but if we could just get our ROI out of the damned things, I'd be happy.  Hopefully LED lights will continue to come down in price, so that I can upgrade.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've already " burned " through 3 mercury filled CFL 's .
I do n't like the freq at which the lights operate at either as they conflict with the freq of my LCD .
We know that they do n't last forever , but if we could just get our ROI out of the damned things , I 'd be happy .
Hopefully LED lights will continue to come down in price , so that I can upgrade .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've already "burned" through 3 mercury filled CFL's.
I don't like the freq at which the lights operate at either as they conflict with the freq of my LCD.
We know that they don't last forever, but if we could just get our ROI out of the damned things, I'd be happy.
Hopefully LED lights will continue to come down in price, so that I can upgrade.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886095</id>
	<title>1 out of 10 Dell ATG laptops with Samsung SSD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256668440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I currently administer 10 Dell ATGs with Windows Vista - over a year old now - So far 1 SSD has failed - not even recognizable to the BIOS or any other PC I put it in.  Dell tech support said this was the first time they'd heard of an SSD failing. I dont beleive that given that they advanced replaced it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I currently administer 10 Dell ATGs with Windows Vista - over a year old now - So far 1 SSD has failed - not even recognizable to the BIOS or any other PC I put it in .
Dell tech support said this was the first time they 'd heard of an SSD failing .
I dont beleive that given that they advanced replaced it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I currently administer 10 Dell ATGs with Windows Vista - over a year old now - So far 1 SSD has failed - not even recognizable to the BIOS or any other PC I put it in.
Dell tech support said this was the first time they'd heard of an SSD failing.
I dont beleive that given that they advanced replaced it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886661</id>
	<title>Data recovery?</title>
	<author>A Friendly Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1256670960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When an SSD dies, how do you pull data from it?</p><p>With hard drives, you can pay lots of money and get some stuff back, but can you do that with SSDs? If not, I foresee a lot of problems once SSDs become mainstream because non-IT people never do backups...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When an SSD dies , how do you pull data from it ? With hard drives , you can pay lots of money and get some stuff back , but can you do that with SSDs ?
If not , I foresee a lot of problems once SSDs become mainstream because non-IT people never do backups.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When an SSD dies, how do you pull data from it?With hard drives, you can pay lots of money and get some stuff back, but can you do that with SSDs?
If not, I foresee a lot of problems once SSDs become mainstream because non-IT people never do backups...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29889991</id>
	<title>Don't Buy Cheaply</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256640960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well yes, if you buy a cheap SSD, it has a higher potential of not working. But this is true of most anything where there's cheap versus expensive in a technologies early life. Anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence, you see far less people complaining about the higher quality SSD's dying than you do about the lower quality ones. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. It's really that simple, for now anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well yes , if you buy a cheap SSD , it has a higher potential of not working .
But this is true of most anything where there 's cheap versus expensive in a technologies early life .
Anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence , you see far less people complaining about the higher quality SSD 's dying than you do about the lower quality ones .
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR .
It 's really that simple , for now anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well yes, if you buy a cheap SSD, it has a higher potential of not working.
But this is true of most anything where there's cheap versus expensive in a technologies early life.
Anecdotal evidence versus anecdotal evidence, you see far less people complaining about the higher quality SSD's dying than you do about the lower quality ones.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
It's really that simple, for now anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886907</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256672040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh... that post is from last year...<br>He did update it after 5 months of use <a href="http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/ssd-followup.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/ssd-followup.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh... that post is from last year...He did update it after 5 months of use http : //torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/ssd-followup.html [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh... that post is from last year...He did update it after 5 months of use http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/ssd-followup.html [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890865</id>
	<title>Re:Data recovery?</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256644980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You crack the case open, plug a JTAG reader up to the JTAG port, and you read the data off to an image, and burn the image to a new drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You crack the case open , plug a JTAG reader up to the JTAG port , and you read the data off to an image , and burn the image to a new drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You crack the case open, plug a JTAG reader up to the JTAG port, and you read the data off to an image, and burn the image to a new drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890743</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256644320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.</p></div><p>My father insists this claim is bullcrap. Luckily I don't have to listen to him anymore. I think he's on #8 in just 2 years.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.My father insists this claim is bullcrap .
Luckily I do n't have to listen to him anymore .
I think he 's on # 8 in just 2 years .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.My father insists this claim is bullcrap.
Luckily I don't have to listen to him anymore.
I think he's on #8 in just 2 years.
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885733</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256666940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leaving a CFL turned on for less than 15 minutes at a time lowers the life expectancy.  It's something to do with the inverter not warming up completely, I don't remember exactly.<br>I had several CFLs die within 1-2 years, as opposed to their advertised long life.  I did some research and then changed my usage patterns.  I installed an incandescent in the bathroom for the quick in-and-out.  In the rest of the rooms, I will leave the light on when I leave, then turn it off when I have re-entered and exited the room again.  Since making these changes over 2 years ago, none of the CFLs have died.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leaving a CFL turned on for less than 15 minutes at a time lowers the life expectancy .
It 's something to do with the inverter not warming up completely , I do n't remember exactly.I had several CFLs die within 1-2 years , as opposed to their advertised long life .
I did some research and then changed my usage patterns .
I installed an incandescent in the bathroom for the quick in-and-out .
In the rest of the rooms , I will leave the light on when I leave , then turn it off when I have re-entered and exited the room again .
Since making these changes over 2 years ago , none of the CFLs have died .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leaving a CFL turned on for less than 15 minutes at a time lowers the life expectancy.
It's something to do with the inverter not warming up completely, I don't remember exactly.I had several CFLs die within 1-2 years, as opposed to their advertised long life.
I did some research and then changed my usage patterns.
I installed an incandescent in the bathroom for the quick in-and-out.
In the rest of the rooms, I will leave the light on when I leave, then turn it off when I have re-entered and exited the room again.
Since making these changes over 2 years ago, none of the CFLs have died.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885309</id>
	<title>My SSD died yesterday</title>
	<author>fljmayer</author>
	<datestamp>1256665080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got an OCZ Vertex 5 months and was very happy with the speed increase. Yesterday the laptop blue-screened and wouldn't boot any more. The BIOS test reported a read error. I am waiting for an RMA number from OCZ.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got an OCZ Vertex 5 months and was very happy with the speed increase .
Yesterday the laptop blue-screened and would n't boot any more .
The BIOS test reported a read error .
I am waiting for an RMA number from OCZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an OCZ Vertex 5 months and was very happy with the speed increase.
Yesterday the laptop blue-screened and wouldn't boot any more.
The BIOS test reported a read error.
I am waiting for an RMA number from OCZ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885675</id>
	<title>Windows 7 is SSH friendly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256666760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A moot point maybe since everyone agrees already..</p><p>But I noticed that Windows 7 detects SSD (even in a RAID config with the on-board ICH controller) and automatically turns off defrag on them.</p><p>Nice !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A moot point maybe since everyone agrees already..But I noticed that Windows 7 detects SSD ( even in a RAID config with the on-board ICH controller ) and automatically turns off defrag on them.Nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A moot point maybe since everyone agrees already..But I noticed that Windows 7 detects SSD (even in a RAID config with the on-board ICH controller) and automatically turns off defrag on them.Nice !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885055</id>
	<title>The 60 and 120GB drives</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1256664120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in my everyday desktop are working fine since January, and they are the most used drives of the system, the smaller one being used to boot the system and store programs, the other storing program data and some DBs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in my everyday desktop are working fine since January , and they are the most used drives of the system , the smaller one being used to boot the system and store programs , the other storing program data and some DBs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in my everyday desktop are working fine since January, and they are the most used drives of the system, the smaller one being used to boot the system and store programs, the other storing program data and some DBs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886523</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>SoftwareArtist</author>
	<datestamp>1256670300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I began converting to CFLs about eight years ago, and have been using them almost exclusively for several years.  I have <i>never</i> had a single one burn out, not even the ones I've been using every day for eight years.  Maybe I've just been lucky.  More likely, though, it means my electricity isn't too noisy, that I've been getting good quality bulbs (though most of them are from Costco and Home Depot, which are some of the very cheapest places I've found to get them), or that I actually follow the instructions about not using "non-dimmable" ones on circuits with dimmers or timers.

I've also been impressed by the improvement in quality over that time.  Modern CFLs truly come on instantly with no flicker (though it does take about a minute for them to reach full brightness), and I can't tell the difference between the light they produce and that from incandescents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I began converting to CFLs about eight years ago , and have been using them almost exclusively for several years .
I have never had a single one burn out , not even the ones I 've been using every day for eight years .
Maybe I 've just been lucky .
More likely , though , it means my electricity is n't too noisy , that I 've been getting good quality bulbs ( though most of them are from Costco and Home Depot , which are some of the very cheapest places I 've found to get them ) , or that I actually follow the instructions about not using " non-dimmable " ones on circuits with dimmers or timers .
I 've also been impressed by the improvement in quality over that time .
Modern CFLs truly come on instantly with no flicker ( though it does take about a minute for them to reach full brightness ) , and I ca n't tell the difference between the light they produce and that from incandescents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I began converting to CFLs about eight years ago, and have been using them almost exclusively for several years.
I have never had a single one burn out, not even the ones I've been using every day for eight years.
Maybe I've just been lucky.
More likely, though, it means my electricity isn't too noisy, that I've been getting good quality bulbs (though most of them are from Costco and Home Depot, which are some of the very cheapest places I've found to get them), or that I actually follow the instructions about not using "non-dimmable" ones on circuits with dimmers or timers.
I've also been impressed by the improvement in quality over that time.
Modern CFLs truly come on instantly with no flicker (though it does take about a minute for them to reach full brightness), and I can't tell the difference between the light they produce and that from incandescents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885935</id>
	<title>How apropos.</title>
	<author>198348726583297634</author>
	<datestamp>1256667720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a Patriot 64gb SSD in a small, low-traffic Ubuntu server (several services were running but no specific tuning options were set) that died this weekend.  Sunday afternoon, several Apache processes pegged the CPU at 100\% between them (load average climbed steadily up to 40ish, and I was unable to start or kill anything else).  Thinking that one of my users had written some bad PHP, I rebooted the machine.  It wouldn't restart (Grub loading...please wait...).  Booting into System Rescue CD, the partitions on the SSD were detected, but none could be mounted due to bad sectors all throughout.  dd\_rescue was able to retrieve the important data (that which hadn't been backed up..), but the time/money spent bringing the server back online seemed a totally unnecessary hassle.  SSDs were supposed to be reliable (no moving parts, right??), but I'm definitely going to wait for a few years before buying another.  The drive was less than a year old.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a Patriot 64gb SSD in a small , low-traffic Ubuntu server ( several services were running but no specific tuning options were set ) that died this weekend .
Sunday afternoon , several Apache processes pegged the CPU at 100 \ % between them ( load average climbed steadily up to 40ish , and I was unable to start or kill anything else ) .
Thinking that one of my users had written some bad PHP , I rebooted the machine .
It would n't restart ( Grub loading...please wait... ) .
Booting into System Rescue CD , the partitions on the SSD were detected , but none could be mounted due to bad sectors all throughout .
dd \ _rescue was able to retrieve the important data ( that which had n't been backed up.. ) , but the time/money spent bringing the server back online seemed a totally unnecessary hassle .
SSDs were supposed to be reliable ( no moving parts , right ? ?
) , but I 'm definitely going to wait for a few years before buying another .
The drive was less than a year old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a Patriot 64gb SSD in a small, low-traffic Ubuntu server (several services were running but no specific tuning options were set) that died this weekend.
Sunday afternoon, several Apache processes pegged the CPU at 100\% between them (load average climbed steadily up to 40ish, and I was unable to start or kill anything else).
Thinking that one of my users had written some bad PHP, I rebooted the machine.
It wouldn't restart (Grub loading...please wait...).
Booting into System Rescue CD, the partitions on the SSD were detected, but none could be mounted due to bad sectors all throughout.
dd\_rescue was able to retrieve the important data (that which hadn't been backed up..), but the time/money spent bringing the server back online seemed a totally unnecessary hassle.
SSDs were supposed to be reliable (no moving parts, right??
), but I'm definitely going to wait for a few years before buying another.
The drive was less than a year old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885921</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the pan</p><p>no toxic mercury, no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on, not nearly as fragile, lasts much longer, nicer white glow, similar very low energy usage...</p><p>but currently, they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is low</p><p> <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/" title="nytimes.com">http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/</a> [nytimes.com] </p></div><p>Sorry, I replaced all my incandescents more then 4 years ago and was really happy with the results.  Still not happy with the cost of the LEDs. So just go ahead a replace those incandescent lights and wait on the LEDs. I will still be cheaper in the long run.</p><p>And if you're thinking the LEDs don't contain toxic materials; you should do a little research on GaAs and other environmentally friendly semi-conductors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the panno toxic mercury , no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on , not nearly as fragile , lasts much longer , nicer white glow , similar very low energy usage...but currently , they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is low http : //bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/ [ nytimes.com ] Sorry , I replaced all my incandescents more then 4 years ago and was really happy with the results .
Still not happy with the cost of the LEDs .
So just go ahead a replace those incandescent lights and wait on the LEDs .
I will still be cheaper in the long run.And if you 're thinking the LEDs do n't contain toxic materials ; you should do a little research on GaAs and other environmentally friendly semi-conductors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LED bulbs are going to render CFL bulbs a flash in the panno toxic mercury, no 30 second wait to dim up completely after turn on, not nearly as fragile, lasts much longer, nicer white glow, similar very low energy usage...but currently, they are a little pricey and their lighting wattage is low http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/coming-soon-a-40-watt-led-light-bulb/ [nytimes.com] Sorry, I replaced all my incandescents more then 4 years ago and was really happy with the results.
Still not happy with the cost of the LEDs.
So just go ahead a replace those incandescent lights and wait on the LEDs.
I will still be cheaper in the long run.And if you're thinking the LEDs don't contain toxic materials; you should do a little research on GaAs and other environmentally friendly semi-conductors.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885391</id>
	<title>hmmm, that's not so good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i was going to build myself a HTPC with a 30GB OCZ drive, but i think i'll leave it a bit longer if this is the case..</p><p>built a few dinky machines running a non-live, non-journal, filesystem off of 4/8GB compact flash cards in CF to IDE converters, and occasionally, scsi to ide, then ide to CF adapters... no page file or defragmentation malarky either. still going fine a year or two later. from either sandisk extreme2/3, or no-name "speedy" branded cards.</p><p>maybe the size increase, increases the possibility of a duff cell or three?</p><p>nearly went SSD for my laptop's drive upgrade, but went for 500GB 7200rpm "rusty rotator" instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i was going to build myself a HTPC with a 30GB OCZ drive , but i think i 'll leave it a bit longer if this is the case..built a few dinky machines running a non-live , non-journal , filesystem off of 4/8GB compact flash cards in CF to IDE converters , and occasionally , scsi to ide , then ide to CF adapters... no page file or defragmentation malarky either .
still going fine a year or two later .
from either sandisk extreme2/3 , or no-name " speedy " branded cards.maybe the size increase , increases the possibility of a duff cell or three ? nearly went SSD for my laptop 's drive upgrade , but went for 500GB 7200rpm " rusty rotator " instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i was going to build myself a HTPC with a 30GB OCZ drive, but i think i'll leave it a bit longer if this is the case..built a few dinky machines running a non-live, non-journal, filesystem off of 4/8GB compact flash cards in CF to IDE converters, and occasionally, scsi to ide, then ide to CF adapters... no page file or defragmentation malarky either.
still going fine a year or two later.
from either sandisk extreme2/3, or no-name "speedy" branded cards.maybe the size increase, increases the possibility of a duff cell or three?nearly went SSD for my laptop's drive upgrade, but went for 500GB 7200rpm "rusty rotator" instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888023</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256676540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the rate they're going, we'll be waiting a while.  How long have LED lights been "just around the corner"?  5 years?  And they're still ridiculously expensive and dim and essentially useless for anything but really focused applications like flashlights!</p><p>I'll just keep buying mid-range CFLs; by the time they burn out LEDs might be worth considering.  Actually, come to think of it, that's what I thought when I started buying CFLs 6 years ago (only had 1 burn out since then)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the rate they 're going , we 'll be waiting a while .
How long have LED lights been " just around the corner " ?
5 years ?
And they 're still ridiculously expensive and dim and essentially useless for anything but really focused applications like flashlights ! I 'll just keep buying mid-range CFLs ; by the time they burn out LEDs might be worth considering .
Actually , come to think of it , that 's what I thought when I started buying CFLs 6 years ago ( only had 1 burn out since then ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the rate they're going, we'll be waiting a while.
How long have LED lights been "just around the corner"?
5 years?
And they're still ridiculously expensive and dim and essentially useless for anything but really focused applications like flashlights!I'll just keep buying mid-range CFLs; by the time they burn out LEDs might be worth considering.
Actually, come to think of it, that's what I thought when I started buying CFLs 6 years ago (only had 1 burn out since then)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885333</id>
	<title>What products?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So one of the first things I did was learn about SSDs by reading some of the articles on AndDTech. I am running an OCZ at home for about a month or two and it's been great so far. I made sure to reflash the firmware first before doing anything. At work we run a EMC SAN that uses SSD's. The I/O on it is amazing and as far as I know there have been no failures on it.</p><p>http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So one of the first things I did was learn about SSDs by reading some of the articles on AndDTech .
I am running an OCZ at home for about a month or two and it 's been great so far .
I made sure to reflash the firmware first before doing anything .
At work we run a EMC SAN that uses SSD 's .
The I/O on it is amazing and as far as I know there have been no failures on it.http : //www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx ? i = 3531</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So one of the first things I did was learn about SSDs by reading some of the articles on AndDTech.
I am running an OCZ at home for about a month or two and it's been great so far.
I made sure to reflash the firmware first before doing anything.
At work we run a EMC SAN that uses SSD's.
The I/O on it is amazing and as far as I know there have been no failures on it.http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29896799</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>GottMitUns</author>
	<datestamp>1256742780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you are describing is about 90\% of common usage!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you are describing is about 90 \ % of common usage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you are describing is about 90\% of common usage!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887031</id>
	<title>Stock SSD on an EEE 1000 40G</title>
	<author>CFBMoo1</author>
	<datestamp>1256672520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Over a year and no problems. It sits on my desk when I'm at work cranking out streaming music and video running Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix with an ext2 file system since I heard journal file systems put more wear on them. I've yet to have any real problems at this point. Also do some web surfing and even used it to do a few days work when my work PC was down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Over a year and no problems .
It sits on my desk when I 'm at work cranking out streaming music and video running Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix with an ext2 file system since I heard journal file systems put more wear on them .
I 've yet to have any real problems at this point .
Also do some web surfing and even used it to do a few days work when my work PC was down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over a year and no problems.
It sits on my desk when I'm at work cranking out streaming music and video running Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix with an ext2 file system since I heard journal file systems put more wear on them.
I've yet to have any real problems at this point.
Also do some web surfing and even used it to do a few days work when my work PC was down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885781</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>spinkham</author>
	<datestamp>1256667120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, don't use in rooms with showers.<br>I use CFL, and the ones in dry rooms last a long time, but the ones I put in my bathrooms kept dying.  Humidity shortening the life of CFLs is a known problem.<br>I've since switched to halogen bulbs in the bathroom and they work better for me with some power savings over normal incandescents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , do n't use in rooms with showers.I use CFL , and the ones in dry rooms last a long time , but the ones I put in my bathrooms kept dying .
Humidity shortening the life of CFLs is a known problem.I 've since switched to halogen bulbs in the bathroom and they work better for me with some power savings over normal incandescents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, don't use in rooms with showers.I use CFL, and the ones in dry rooms last a long time, but the ones I put in my bathrooms kept dying.
Humidity shortening the life of CFLs is a known problem.I've since switched to halogen bulbs in the bathroom and they work better for me with some power savings over normal incandescents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885423</id>
	<title>haha</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1256665680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice troll.</p><p>You link to a story that has nothing to do with the question. Man, this is sloppy even for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. 'editors'.</p><p>The article is using examples of incorrectly manufactured bulbs that fail to spread FUD.<br>I couldn't help but notice they don't compare it to the failure rate of cheap incandesents.</p><p>I have never replaced an IFL and I have been replacing my non-dimming regular bulbs for over 5 years and have only replaced one, and that was because I put it in a dimmer to see what would happen.</p><p>Guess what? it's a personal anecdote, and not data; much like that article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice troll.You link to a story that has nothing to do with the question .
Man , this is sloppy even for / .
'editors'.The article is using examples of incorrectly manufactured bulbs that fail to spread FUD.I could n't help but notice they do n't compare it to the failure rate of cheap incandesents.I have never replaced an IFL and I have been replacing my non-dimming regular bulbs for over 5 years and have only replaced one , and that was because I put it in a dimmer to see what would happen.Guess what ?
it 's a personal anecdote , and not data ; much like that article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice troll.You link to a story that has nothing to do with the question.
Man, this is sloppy even for /.
'editors'.The article is using examples of incorrectly manufactured bulbs that fail to spread FUD.I couldn't help but notice they don't compare it to the failure rate of cheap incandesents.I have never replaced an IFL and I have been replacing my non-dimming regular bulbs for over 5 years and have only replaced one, and that was because I put it in a dimmer to see what would happen.Guess what?
it's a personal anecdote, and not data; much like that article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29893095</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is SSH friendly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256662560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; putty windoze\_7\_box<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>Network Error. Connection Refused</p><p>*Scratches head*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; putty windoze \ _7 \ _box...Network Error .
Connection Refused * Scratches head *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; putty windoze\_7\_box...Network Error.
Connection Refused*Scratches head*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885675</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885175</id>
	<title>Reminds me of...</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1256664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like you are unfamiliar with what a product warranty is for.  Complex products (especially new ones) are going to fail at a pretty good rate.  If it breaks, get it replaced.  This serves you (you get a new, working one) and the vendor (they get to figure out why it broke and avoid it in the future.)</p><p>I could dig up a dozen recent "reviews" of traditional hard drives where the reviewer claimed an outrageous failure rate.  Yep, magnetic platter disks just aren't ready for prime time, just like compact fluorescent light bulbs.  Better go back to a gas lamp and a punch card, those sure are reliable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you are unfamiliar with what a product warranty is for .
Complex products ( especially new ones ) are going to fail at a pretty good rate .
If it breaks , get it replaced .
This serves you ( you get a new , working one ) and the vendor ( they get to figure out why it broke and avoid it in the future .
) I could dig up a dozen recent " reviews " of traditional hard drives where the reviewer claimed an outrageous failure rate .
Yep , magnetic platter disks just are n't ready for prime time , just like compact fluorescent light bulbs .
Better go back to a gas lamp and a punch card , those sure are reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you are unfamiliar with what a product warranty is for.
Complex products (especially new ones) are going to fail at a pretty good rate.
If it breaks, get it replaced.
This serves you (you get a new, working one) and the vendor (they get to figure out why it broke and avoid it in the future.
)I could dig up a dozen recent "reviews" of traditional hard drives where the reviewer claimed an outrageous failure rate.
Yep, magnetic platter disks just aren't ready for prime time, just like compact fluorescent light bulbs.
Better go back to a gas lamp and a punch card, those sure are reliable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885849</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Websense blocks that here,<p><div class="quote"><p>Content blocked by your organization<br>
<br>
Reason: This Websense category is filtered: Sex.<br>
URL: <a href="http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html" title="blogspot.com">http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p> </div><p>WTF?!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Websense blocks that here,Content blocked by your organization Reason : This Websense category is filtered : Sex .
URL : http : //torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html [ blogspot.com ] WTF ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Websense blocks that here,Content blocked by your organization

Reason: This Websense category is filtered: Sex.
URL: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html [blogspot.com] WTF?
!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29899565</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>pdbaby</author>
	<datestamp>1256754180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LEDs are good if for functional lighting but the light makes everything look very fake (which make them unpleasant to read by, for instance) - they have a very low colour rendering index (there's a more eloquent description of this at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED\_bulb#Remaining\_problems" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED\_bulb#Remaining\_problems</a> [wikipedia.org]).</htmltext>
<tokenext>LEDs are good if for functional lighting but the light makes everything look very fake ( which make them unpleasant to read by , for instance ) - they have a very low colour rendering index ( there 's a more eloquent description of this at http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED \ _bulb # Remaining \ _problems [ wikipedia.org ] ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LEDs are good if for functional lighting but the light makes everything look very fake (which make them unpleasant to read by, for instance) - they have a very low colour rendering index (there's a more eloquent description of this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED\_bulb#Remaining\_problems [wikipedia.org]).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888393</id>
	<title>SSD For Great Love</title>
	<author>srussell</author>
	<datestamp>1256634840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208431" title="newegg.com">Transcend 64GB</a> [newegg.com] SSD (ca. $200, PATA -- not high-end, definitely) in my laptop for 10 months.  It's on all the time, except when I suspend it for transportation.  It is running Ubuntu, and I've got a current uptime of 30 days.  I'm a software developer; I download and install betas of OpenOffice, I upgrade Netbeans and Eclipse regularly, update and build software (including one work project that's over 1GB built), and generally trash the hard drive.  I haven't had any trouble with it, at all.
</p><p>
I also installed an OCZ 64GB SATA SSD in my wife's laptop since mid-June (so,  4.5 months).  Hers is more often in sleep mode than in use, since she has a separate, work, laptop.  She uses it for writing, homework, browsing, and so on -- light duty.  No problems there, either.
</p><p>
Neither laptop is configured to run<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/log or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/tmp in RAM, or anything fancy.  Both are configured with ext3 (although mine has a BTRFS partition, for play) with normal journalling.
</p><p>
I'm happy with mine.  I don't notice the speed increase, if there is any; I mostly went this route to (a) reduce the heat, (b) reduce power consumption, and (c) reduce noise.  My wife's Acer Timeline is particularly silent, as the CPU fan never comes on.  I don't know if I'd put SSDs in my server; HDs are too ridiculously cheap, and I don't need extra speed for my modest music/file/web server uses.  But, so far, I've been entirely satisfied with their reliability.
</p><p>
I <em>do</em> back both machines up nightly, just in case.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running a Transcend 64GB [ newegg.com ] SSD ( ca .
$ 200 , PATA -- not high-end , definitely ) in my laptop for 10 months .
It 's on all the time , except when I suspend it for transportation .
It is running Ubuntu , and I 've got a current uptime of 30 days .
I 'm a software developer ; I download and install betas of OpenOffice , I upgrade Netbeans and Eclipse regularly , update and build software ( including one work project that 's over 1GB built ) , and generally trash the hard drive .
I have n't had any trouble with it , at all .
I also installed an OCZ 64GB SATA SSD in my wife 's laptop since mid-June ( so , 4.5 months ) .
Hers is more often in sleep mode than in use , since she has a separate , work , laptop .
She uses it for writing , homework , browsing , and so on -- light duty .
No problems there , either .
Neither laptop is configured to run /var/log or /tmp in RAM , or anything fancy .
Both are configured with ext3 ( although mine has a BTRFS partition , for play ) with normal journalling .
I 'm happy with mine .
I do n't notice the speed increase , if there is any ; I mostly went this route to ( a ) reduce the heat , ( b ) reduce power consumption , and ( c ) reduce noise .
My wife 's Acer Timeline is particularly silent , as the CPU fan never comes on .
I do n't know if I 'd put SSDs in my server ; HDs are too ridiculously cheap , and I do n't need extra speed for my modest music/file/web server uses .
But , so far , I 've been entirely satisfied with their reliability .
I do back both machines up nightly , just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running a Transcend 64GB [newegg.com] SSD (ca.
$200, PATA -- not high-end, definitely) in my laptop for 10 months.
It's on all the time, except when I suspend it for transportation.
It is running Ubuntu, and I've got a current uptime of 30 days.
I'm a software developer; I download and install betas of OpenOffice, I upgrade Netbeans and Eclipse regularly, update and build software (including one work project that's over 1GB built), and generally trash the hard drive.
I haven't had any trouble with it, at all.
I also installed an OCZ 64GB SATA SSD in my wife's laptop since mid-June (so,  4.5 months).
Hers is more often in sleep mode than in use, since she has a separate, work, laptop.
She uses it for writing, homework, browsing, and so on -- light duty.
No problems there, either.
Neither laptop is configured to run /var/log or /tmp in RAM, or anything fancy.
Both are configured with ext3 (although mine has a BTRFS partition, for play) with normal journalling.
I'm happy with mine.
I don't notice the speed increase, if there is any; I mostly went this route to (a) reduce the heat, (b) reduce power consumption, and (c) reduce noise.
My wife's Acer Timeline is particularly silent, as the CPU fan never comes on.
I don't know if I'd put SSDs in my server; HDs are too ridiculously cheap, and I don't need extra speed for my modest music/file/web server uses.
But, so far, I've been entirely satisfied with their reliability.
I do back both machines up nightly, just in case.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885319</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>NotQuiteReal</author>
	<datestamp>1256665140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store (Lowes or Home Depot, I forget which). The bulb looked like a flood light, but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside.
<br>
<br>
The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago, so I assume they were "modern".
<br>
<br>
I hated them. They were slow to start, and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes. I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year (maybe 1500 hours on them).
<br>
<br>
To be fair, I do have some regular CFL bulbs behind a couch that come on fast, run cool and look fine.
<br>
<br>
I think the CFL Hate comes from a couple of directions, first, some may have had bad experiences like me (or just not like the quality of the light). The other reason for the hate is just the idea that they may be mandated, and the ensuing slippery slope arguments that follow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store ( Lowes or Home Depot , I forget which ) .
The bulb looked like a flood light , but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside .
The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago , so I assume they were " modern " .
I hated them .
They were slow to start , and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes .
I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year ( maybe 1500 hours on them ) .
To be fair , I do have some regular CFL bulbs behind a couch that come on fast , run cool and look fine .
I think the CFL Hate comes from a couple of directions , first , some may have had bad experiences like me ( or just not like the quality of the light ) .
The other reason for the hate is just the idea that they may be mandated , and the ensuing slippery slope arguments that follow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought some flood-light type bulb replacements from a big box store (Lowes or Home Depot, I forget which).
The bulb looked like a flood light, but you could see it was just a curly CFL inside.
The bulbs were purchased about 18 months ago, so I assume they were "modern".
I hated them.
They were slow to start, and had a terrible pink cast to them until they warmed up over 5 to 10 minutes.
I was both surprised and glad that they lasted less than a year (maybe 1500 hours on them).
To be fair, I do have some regular CFL bulbs behind a couch that come on fast, run cool and look fine.
I think the CFL Hate comes from a couple of directions, first, some may have had bad experiences like me (or just not like the quality of the light).
The other reason for the hate is just the idea that they may be mandated, and the ensuing slippery slope arguments that follow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885041</id>
	<title>Don't Defrag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make sure you turn of the scheduler for defragging in Windows or whatever OS you are using.  Defragging those types of drives will effectively kill them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure you turn of the scheduler for defragging in Windows or whatever OS you are using .
Defragging those types of drives will effectively kill them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure you turn of the scheduler for defragging in Windows or whatever OS you are using.
Defragging those types of drives will effectively kill them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885235</id>
	<title>An interesting reference.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As silly as it is, I learned a lot from CFLs.  I really wanted them to be great...and they are...now.  When they were first introduced, Sam's Club was the first place I found them at a semi-affordable price.  I bought a ton of them and replaced everything in my house that wasn't on a dimmer.  I replaced them all again inside of 6 months as they all died.  Fast-forward a few years to the present.  I was at Sam's the other day and noticed that they have LED based incandescent/CFL replacements!!!!  I stopped myself as I was picking up a few packs.  "At least find some reviews first", I told myself.  So I did.  Same crap, different decade.  They'll eventually be good and affordable.  Right now they're neither...just new and cool.  I suspect SSD's are the same.  Cool.  New.  Nifty.  Whatever.  In a few years, I'll buy one when a TB SSD is cheaper than a TB platter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As silly as it is , I learned a lot from CFLs .
I really wanted them to be great...and they are...now .
When they were first introduced , Sam 's Club was the first place I found them at a semi-affordable price .
I bought a ton of them and replaced everything in my house that was n't on a dimmer .
I replaced them all again inside of 6 months as they all died .
Fast-forward a few years to the present .
I was at Sam 's the other day and noticed that they have LED based incandescent/CFL replacements ! ! ! !
I stopped myself as I was picking up a few packs .
" At least find some reviews first " , I told myself .
So I did .
Same crap , different decade .
They 'll eventually be good and affordable .
Right now they 're neither...just new and cool .
I suspect SSD 's are the same .
Cool. New .
Nifty. Whatever .
In a few years , I 'll buy one when a TB SSD is cheaper than a TB platter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As silly as it is, I learned a lot from CFLs.
I really wanted them to be great...and they are...now.
When they were first introduced, Sam's Club was the first place I found them at a semi-affordable price.
I bought a ton of them and replaced everything in my house that wasn't on a dimmer.
I replaced them all again inside of 6 months as they all died.
Fast-forward a few years to the present.
I was at Sam's the other day and noticed that they have LED based incandescent/CFL replacements!!!!
I stopped myself as I was picking up a few packs.
"At least find some reviews first", I told myself.
So I did.
Same crap, different decade.
They'll eventually be good and affordable.
Right now they're neither...just new and cool.
I suspect SSD's are the same.
Cool.  New.
Nifty.  Whatever.
In a few years, I'll buy one when a TB SSD is cheaper than a TB platter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887863</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>vsny</author>
	<datestamp>1256675940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the anecdotal evidence just in these comments alone, CFL clearly have a very large distribution of failures.  Maybe the MTF is accurate but the distribution or log-sigma is very large.  I have had 4 fail within weeks and they are used 'appropriately'.  I have never had incandescents fail in this way.
<br> <br>
Yes I may have cheap bulbs.  But they still have a long rated MTTF values listed on the box.
<br> <br>
Sure, maybe the ones that do last will survive several million hours.  I can say nothing about the MTTF, but clearly there is a very large distribution of failures which suggest very high early-failure rates.  You really need to see the failure distribution statistics to determine how they came up with these lifetime numbers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the anecdotal evidence just in these comments alone , CFL clearly have a very large distribution of failures .
Maybe the MTF is accurate but the distribution or log-sigma is very large .
I have had 4 fail within weeks and they are used 'appropriately' .
I have never had incandescents fail in this way .
Yes I may have cheap bulbs .
But they still have a long rated MTTF values listed on the box .
Sure , maybe the ones that do last will survive several million hours .
I can say nothing about the MTTF , but clearly there is a very large distribution of failures which suggest very high early-failure rates .
You really need to see the failure distribution statistics to determine how they came up with these lifetime numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the anecdotal evidence just in these comments alone, CFL clearly have a very large distribution of failures.
Maybe the MTF is accurate but the distribution or log-sigma is very large.
I have had 4 fail within weeks and they are used 'appropriately'.
I have never had incandescents fail in this way.
Yes I may have cheap bulbs.
But they still have a long rated MTTF values listed on the box.
Sure, maybe the ones that do last will survive several million hours.
I can say nothing about the MTTF, but clearly there is a very large distribution of failures which suggest very high early-failure rates.
You really need to see the failure distribution statistics to determine how they came up with these lifetime numbers.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887809</id>
	<title>My experience...</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1256675700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought the CT128M225 from Crucial, and even though I haven't had any failures, I'm not using the drive to it's full ability.</p><p>Getting fully functional firmware hasn't happened yet. They finally implemented TRIM under Windows 7, but it reduced write speeds in half. I'm currently running a version of the firmware that is known to have issues, but I've turned off certain functions under Windows 7 and haven't had any data corruption problems.</p><p>I figure another year and the firmware will be golden.</p><p>At that point it would be interesting to see statistics of DOAs of SSDs and the old platter tech.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought the CT128M225 from Crucial , and even though I have n't had any failures , I 'm not using the drive to it 's full ability.Getting fully functional firmware has n't happened yet .
They finally implemented TRIM under Windows 7 , but it reduced write speeds in half .
I 'm currently running a version of the firmware that is known to have issues , but I 've turned off certain functions under Windows 7 and have n't had any data corruption problems.I figure another year and the firmware will be golden.At that point it would be interesting to see statistics of DOAs of SSDs and the old platter tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought the CT128M225 from Crucial, and even though I haven't had any failures, I'm not using the drive to it's full ability.Getting fully functional firmware hasn't happened yet.
They finally implemented TRIM under Windows 7, but it reduced write speeds in half.
I'm currently running a version of the firmware that is known to have issues, but I've turned off certain functions under Windows 7 and haven't had any data corruption problems.I figure another year and the firmware will be golden.At that point it would be interesting to see statistics of DOAs of SSDs and the old platter tech.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885065</id>
	<title>Manufacturers / Drive Info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can you at least tell us which 3 of your 8 drives failed ?  Perhaps there is some similarity in controller or Flash memory used?<br> <br>
FWIW, I have 2 of the Intel Drives and 1 OCZ drive and I haven't seen any problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you at least tell us which 3 of your 8 drives failed ?
Perhaps there is some similarity in controller or Flash memory used ?
FWIW , I have 2 of the Intel Drives and 1 OCZ drive and I have n't seen any problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you at least tell us which 3 of your 8 drives failed ?
Perhaps there is some similarity in controller or Flash memory used?
FWIW, I have 2 of the Intel Drives and 1 OCZ drive and I haven't seen any problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885259</id>
	<title>BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256664960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that, in reality, have turned out to be BS!"</p></div></blockquote><p>Bad troll.  I read the fine article linked in this claim.  The claims are not BS... there have just been problems with the supply-chain doing cost-cutting, and with people using cheap CFLs inappropriately.  It's important to note that the Energy Star ratings board has been retesting CFLs and revoking use of the label for CFLs that fail to meet the standard.<br> <br>It's not BS... it just needs some refining.  Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch.  Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures.  Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.  <br> <br>A little bit of consumer education goes a long way... but unfortunately so does FUD like the submitter's.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that , in reality , have turned out to be BS !
" Bad troll .
I read the fine article linked in this claim .
The claims are not BS... there have just been problems with the supply-chain doing cost-cutting , and with people using cheap CFLs inappropriately .
It 's important to note that the Energy Star ratings board has been retesting CFLs and revoking use of the label for CFLs that fail to meet the standard .
It 's not BS... it just needs some refining .
Do n't use CFLs on a dimmer switch .
Do n't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures .
Do n't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot .
A little bit of consumer education goes a long way... but unfortunately so does FUD like the submitter 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's starting to remind me of the claims about long-lifetime compact fluorescent light bulbs that, in reality, have turned out to be BS!
"Bad troll.
I read the fine article linked in this claim.
The claims are not BS... there have just been problems with the supply-chain doing cost-cutting, and with people using cheap CFLs inappropriately.
It's important to note that the Energy Star ratings board has been retesting CFLs and revoking use of the label for CFLs that fail to meet the standard.
It's not BS... it just needs some refining.
Don't use CFLs on a dimmer switch.
Don't use them in poorly ventilated enclosures.
Don't use CFLs in fixtures you turn off and on a lot.
A little bit of consumer education goes a long way... but unfortunately so does FUD like the submitter's.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29891495</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 is SSH friendly</title>
	<author>Spykk</author>
	<datestamp>1256648280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Windows 7 is SSH friendly</p> </div><p>
Putty still works, then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is SSH friendly Putty still works , then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is SSH friendly 
Putty still works, then?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890697</id>
	<title>Re:Like with the CF bulbs, cheap = not good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256644140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dislike the comments which generally say: "you get what you pay for"</p><p>Because the poster paid for new hard drives that should last longer then 4 months. To suggest that this is acceptable (on average) for new SSD drives at any cost is ridiculous.</p><p>I don't ask my buddy how much he paid for his car when it completely stops working while still under warranty. Instead I think that maybe there is something wrong with the way that company is putting together their car and/or how they preform quality control for their production.</p><p>For SSD you pay for things like larger size, faster speed, connection type and longer warranty, etc.</p><p>You don't have to pay for a product that will work. That is a given.<br>Also, you don't have to pay extra to expect a product to last as long as the warranty. This is also a given.<br>
&nbsp; * unless you happen to be selling the XBox from Microsoft.</p><p>This guy is getting broken drives over what he calls "normal usage". The cheapest of all SSD should offer that as a minimum.</p><p>Please stop suggesting that it is the consumers fault for not throwing more money at the problem before the problem was known.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dislike the comments which generally say : " you get what you pay for " Because the poster paid for new hard drives that should last longer then 4 months .
To suggest that this is acceptable ( on average ) for new SSD drives at any cost is ridiculous.I do n't ask my buddy how much he paid for his car when it completely stops working while still under warranty .
Instead I think that maybe there is something wrong with the way that company is putting together their car and/or how they preform quality control for their production.For SSD you pay for things like larger size , faster speed , connection type and longer warranty , etc.You do n't have to pay for a product that will work .
That is a given.Also , you do n't have to pay extra to expect a product to last as long as the warranty .
This is also a given .
  * unless you happen to be selling the XBox from Microsoft.This guy is getting broken drives over what he calls " normal usage " .
The cheapest of all SSD should offer that as a minimum.Please stop suggesting that it is the consumers fault for not throwing more money at the problem before the problem was known .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dislike the comments which generally say: "you get what you pay for"Because the poster paid for new hard drives that should last longer then 4 months.
To suggest that this is acceptable (on average) for new SSD drives at any cost is ridiculous.I don't ask my buddy how much he paid for his car when it completely stops working while still under warranty.
Instead I think that maybe there is something wrong with the way that company is putting together their car and/or how they preform quality control for their production.For SSD you pay for things like larger size, faster speed, connection type and longer warranty, etc.You don't have to pay for a product that will work.
That is a given.Also, you don't have to pay extra to expect a product to last as long as the warranty.
This is also a given.
  * unless you happen to be selling the XBox from Microsoft.This guy is getting broken drives over what he calls "normal usage".
The cheapest of all SSD should offer that as a minimum.Please stop suggesting that it is the consumers fault for not throwing more money at the problem before the problem was known.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885809</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you use a cheap CFL "inappropriately"? What, there's a special way to screw it in?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you use a cheap CFL " inappropriately " ?
What , there 's a special way to screw it in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you use a cheap CFL "inappropriately"?
What, there's a special way to screw it in?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892691</id>
	<title>Currently dealing with an OCZ Verte 60GB SSD prob</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny this should come up at this time.  I just took my first SSD out for a spin as a test set up for a new generation of 3D CADing stations at the office.  The short of it is after an uneventful OS install and the installation of all our company software the drive up and crapped out, completely hosing the data in the process.  The file system and all data is completely gone.</p><p>Apparently this is a fairly widespread occurence, complete and unrecoverable loss of data.  I was advised by the manufacturer (OCZ) that I needed to update my firmware to 1.4, which came out very recently.  And also a recommendation to up the southbridge voltage on the mobo.  They are claiming that "nvidia and AMD chipsets" are "quirky".  Check out OCZ and Intel service forums for many more stories like mine.</p><p>Yes this was just one event, but it was also my only experience with SSD besides my EEEpc (no problem whatsoever...2 years strong)  But I am not the only person to have troubles, and the problem I had could have been devastating under non-test circumstances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny this should come up at this time .
I just took my first SSD out for a spin as a test set up for a new generation of 3D CADing stations at the office .
The short of it is after an uneventful OS install and the installation of all our company software the drive up and crapped out , completely hosing the data in the process .
The file system and all data is completely gone.Apparently this is a fairly widespread occurence , complete and unrecoverable loss of data .
I was advised by the manufacturer ( OCZ ) that I needed to update my firmware to 1.4 , which came out very recently .
And also a recommendation to up the southbridge voltage on the mobo .
They are claiming that " nvidia and AMD chipsets " are " quirky " .
Check out OCZ and Intel service forums for many more stories like mine.Yes this was just one event , but it was also my only experience with SSD besides my EEEpc ( no problem whatsoever...2 years strong ) But I am not the only person to have troubles , and the problem I had could have been devastating under non-test circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny this should come up at this time.
I just took my first SSD out for a spin as a test set up for a new generation of 3D CADing stations at the office.
The short of it is after an uneventful OS install and the installation of all our company software the drive up and crapped out, completely hosing the data in the process.
The file system and all data is completely gone.Apparently this is a fairly widespread occurence, complete and unrecoverable loss of data.
I was advised by the manufacturer (OCZ) that I needed to update my firmware to 1.4, which came out very recently.
And also a recommendation to up the southbridge voltage on the mobo.
They are claiming that "nvidia and AMD chipsets" are "quirky".
Check out OCZ and Intel service forums for many more stories like mine.Yes this was just one event, but it was also my only experience with SSD besides my EEEpc (no problem whatsoever...2 years strong)  But I am not the only person to have troubles, and the problem I had could have been devastating under non-test circumstances.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892157</id>
	<title>Sounds like bad luck to me</title>
	<author>rebelwarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1256653500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't bought any SSD drives yet (waiting for prices to go down), but I've been using compact florescent bulbs for years now and I've never gotten one bad one. Granted, I haven't had to buy all that many since they last so damn long, but still, if that's the comparison, there's nothing wrong with SSD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't bought any SSD drives yet ( waiting for prices to go down ) , but I 've been using compact florescent bulbs for years now and I 've never gotten one bad one .
Granted , I have n't had to buy all that many since they last so damn long , but still , if that 's the comparison , there 's nothing wrong with SSD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't bought any SSD drives yet (waiting for prices to go down), but I've been using compact florescent bulbs for years now and I've never gotten one bad one.
Granted, I haven't had to buy all that many since they last so damn long, but still, if that's the comparison, there's nothing wrong with SSD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29892567</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1256657280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, the mercury part is true, but irrelevent, the amount they contain really isn't that important outside of waste disposal, you get more from eating Atlantic Salmon.</p><p>30 second wait to brighten?  Either stop using them in your freezer or stop buying the cheapest ones in the store.</p><p>White light out of an LED where blue is horribly hard to produce?  Your definition of white and mine are different I think.</p><p>Not saying that LEDs are going to take over, but your reasoning and evidence is more than slightly flawed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , the mercury part is true , but irrelevent , the amount they contain really is n't that important outside of waste disposal , you get more from eating Atlantic Salmon.30 second wait to brighten ?
Either stop using them in your freezer or stop buying the cheapest ones in the store.White light out of an LED where blue is horribly hard to produce ?
Your definition of white and mine are different I think.Not saying that LEDs are going to take over , but your reasoning and evidence is more than slightly flawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, the mercury part is true, but irrelevent, the amount they contain really isn't that important outside of waste disposal, you get more from eating Atlantic Salmon.30 second wait to brighten?
Either stop using them in your freezer or stop buying the cheapest ones in the store.White light out of an LED where blue is horribly hard to produce?
Your definition of white and mine are different I think.Not saying that LEDs are going to take over, but your reasoning and evidence is more than slightly flawed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886949</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256672220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CFLs are marketed as a replacement bulb yet you're suggesting they should not be used as one.  Original CFLs were failure in design and technology.</p><p>same with SSD: some here suggest that perhaps people are writing to them to often so they fail?</p><p>car analogy: if CV joint fails does it mean that one should not turn as often?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CFLs are marketed as a replacement bulb yet you 're suggesting they should not be used as one .
Original CFLs were failure in design and technology.same with SSD : some here suggest that perhaps people are writing to them to often so they fail ? car analogy : if CV joint fails does it mean that one should not turn as often ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CFLs are marketed as a replacement bulb yet you're suggesting they should not be used as one.
Original CFLs were failure in design and technology.same with SSD: some here suggest that perhaps people are writing to them to often so they fail?car analogy: if CV joint fails does it mean that one should not turn as often?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886827</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>pete-classic</author>
	<datestamp>1256671620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many <em>individual</em> bulbs fail to fulfill the claims.  Spending many times as much on a replacement (over an incandescent) under the theory that it will last for years, only to have it fail after a few months is very disheartening.  The reasons aren't very important to the consumer.</p><p>The technology on the whole isn't BS, but I have had more than one BS experience with it.</p><p>Perhaps you and I saw different materials, but when the initial push for CFLs came down. The emphasis was on how it was a direct replacement for incandescents, which is certainly BS, even by your own description.</p><p>Out of about twenty bulbs in my apartment, there are only three that are good candidates for CFLs by your criteria.  I actually use them almost everywhere, but they fail early and offer poor light in most of them.</p><p>You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  The reality, as I see it, is that CFLs offer a great deal of advantage in very limited circumstances, and a much lesser advantage in most practical circumstances.  The problem is that they're marketed (by the manufacturers, retailers, environmental groups, and the government) as if the optimal advantage can be achieved merely by installing them, which is manifestly untrue.</p><p>This concept is also known as bullshit.</p><p>-Peter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many individual bulbs fail to fulfill the claims .
Spending many times as much on a replacement ( over an incandescent ) under the theory that it will last for years , only to have it fail after a few months is very disheartening .
The reasons are n't very important to the consumer.The technology on the whole is n't BS , but I have had more than one BS experience with it.Perhaps you and I saw different materials , but when the initial push for CFLs came down .
The emphasis was on how it was a direct replacement for incandescents , which is certainly BS , even by your own description.Out of about twenty bulbs in my apartment , there are only three that are good candidates for CFLs by your criteria .
I actually use them almost everywhere , but they fail early and offer poor light in most of them.You ca n't have your cake and eat it , too .
The reality , as I see it , is that CFLs offer a great deal of advantage in very limited circumstances , and a much lesser advantage in most practical circumstances .
The problem is that they 're marketed ( by the manufacturers , retailers , environmental groups , and the government ) as if the optimal advantage can be achieved merely by installing them , which is manifestly untrue.This concept is also known as bullshit.-Peter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many individual bulbs fail to fulfill the claims.
Spending many times as much on a replacement (over an incandescent) under the theory that it will last for years, only to have it fail after a few months is very disheartening.
The reasons aren't very important to the consumer.The technology on the whole isn't BS, but I have had more than one BS experience with it.Perhaps you and I saw different materials, but when the initial push for CFLs came down.
The emphasis was on how it was a direct replacement for incandescents, which is certainly BS, even by your own description.Out of about twenty bulbs in my apartment, there are only three that are good candidates for CFLs by your criteria.
I actually use them almost everywhere, but they fail early and offer poor light in most of them.You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
The reality, as I see it, is that CFLs offer a great deal of advantage in very limited circumstances, and a much lesser advantage in most practical circumstances.
The problem is that they're marketed (by the manufacturers, retailers, environmental groups, and the government) as if the optimal advantage can be achieved merely by installing them, which is manifestly untrue.This concept is also known as bullshit.-Peter</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885547</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>i.am.delf</author>
	<datestamp>1256666160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also bought a 80gb Intel SSD.  I agree that it absolutely lives up to the hype.  I use it day in and day out on my desktop since March 2009.  I have been running Windows 7 beta through release on it.  I have had zero problems and zero performance degradation so far.  I run games and I run normal productivity software.  Nothing fancy, but it does see about 10 hours per day of use.

With that in mind it only take a cursory review of SSD articles to find that not all SSDs are created equal.  Many are really crap because of bad controllers or flash cells that were not designed for use in an SSD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also bought a 80gb Intel SSD .
I agree that it absolutely lives up to the hype .
I use it day in and day out on my desktop since March 2009 .
I have been running Windows 7 beta through release on it .
I have had zero problems and zero performance degradation so far .
I run games and I run normal productivity software .
Nothing fancy , but it does see about 10 hours per day of use .
With that in mind it only take a cursory review of SSD articles to find that not all SSDs are created equal .
Many are really crap because of bad controllers or flash cells that were not designed for use in an SSD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also bought a 80gb Intel SSD.
I agree that it absolutely lives up to the hype.
I use it day in and day out on my desktop since March 2009.
I have been running Windows 7 beta through release on it.
I have had zero problems and zero performance degradation so far.
I run games and I run normal productivity software.
Nothing fancy, but it does see about 10 hours per day of use.
With that in mind it only take a cursory review of SSD articles to find that not all SSDs are created equal.
Many are really crap because of bad controllers or flash cells that were not designed for use in an SSD.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885015</id>
	<title>Same type of experience here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256663880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have avoided investing any money into those types of drives for that very reason.  As a small business owner I see customer units come in that make use of those types of devices and I see a lot of failure.  I'm still being patient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have avoided investing any money into those types of drives for that very reason .
As a small business owner I see customer units come in that make use of those types of devices and I see a lot of failure .
I 'm still being patient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have avoided investing any money into those types of drives for that very reason.
As a small business owner I see customer units come in that make use of those types of devices and I see a lot of failure.
I'm still being patient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885477</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>hamburgler007</author>
	<datestamp>1256665920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Definitely depends on the brand you get, the quality and lifespan of the bulb can vary dramatically.  If you get the cheap ones from home despot, they last a good amount of time, but they take forever to reach their full brightness.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely depends on the brand you get , the quality and lifespan of the bulb can vary dramatically .
If you get the cheap ones from home despot , they last a good amount of time , but they take forever to reach their full brightness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely depends on the brand you get, the quality and lifespan of the bulb can vary dramatically.
If you get the cheap ones from home despot, they last a good amount of time, but they take forever to reach their full brightness.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29888707</id>
	<title>Re:just wait for LED bulbs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256636040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A current cool white Cree MC-E LED can maintain a luminous flux of up to 730 lumens, that's about the same as a 60 watt (non-halogen) incandescent lamp. Still it requires less than 15W at this current. High-powered LEDs indeed have many advantages over CFLs. Some more that you didn't mention:</p><p>They are *better* dimmable than incandescent lamps (this requires smart electronics though, you can't just use a potentiometer) because they run more efficient when underpowered instead of less. Running an incandescant lamp at 20\% of the rated brightness will still require 50\% or so of the rated power. Running an LED at 20\% of the rated brightness will often require significantly *less* than 20\% of the rated power.<br>No wear even when switched on and off extremely rapidly.<br>Gradual degradation instead of spontaneous failure. It was nice to have a replacement bulb with you everywhere you took your maglite, but LEDs make this unnecessary.<br>Compared to CFLs: Slower to change hue (this is important when used as screen backlights).<br>Takes up much less volume (the Cree Xlamp chip in some of my flashlights is indeed *tiny* but able to pump out up to 180 lumens).</p><p>However it should be pointed out that there are huge quality differences between LED models as well. There is simply no way a no-name LED with plastic lens made in China will be able to output a useful amount of light after 50,000 hours, all bold claims to the contrary notwithstanding. E.g. the chip for a white LED emits some UV radiation that in the long term causes the plastic to cloud (sunlight aggravates the problem, obviously). A higher quality and much more expensive LED with a glass lens will not suffer from this problem.</p><p>Now what was the article all about?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A current cool white Cree MC-E LED can maintain a luminous flux of up to 730 lumens , that 's about the same as a 60 watt ( non-halogen ) incandescent lamp .
Still it requires less than 15W at this current .
High-powered LEDs indeed have many advantages over CFLs .
Some more that you did n't mention : They are * better * dimmable than incandescent lamps ( this requires smart electronics though , you ca n't just use a potentiometer ) because they run more efficient when underpowered instead of less .
Running an incandescant lamp at 20 \ % of the rated brightness will still require 50 \ % or so of the rated power .
Running an LED at 20 \ % of the rated brightness will often require significantly * less * than 20 \ % of the rated power.No wear even when switched on and off extremely rapidly.Gradual degradation instead of spontaneous failure .
It was nice to have a replacement bulb with you everywhere you took your maglite , but LEDs make this unnecessary.Compared to CFLs : Slower to change hue ( this is important when used as screen backlights ) .Takes up much less volume ( the Cree Xlamp chip in some of my flashlights is indeed * tiny * but able to pump out up to 180 lumens ) .However it should be pointed out that there are huge quality differences between LED models as well .
There is simply no way a no-name LED with plastic lens made in China will be able to output a useful amount of light after 50,000 hours , all bold claims to the contrary notwithstanding .
E.g. the chip for a white LED emits some UV radiation that in the long term causes the plastic to cloud ( sunlight aggravates the problem , obviously ) .
A higher quality and much more expensive LED with a glass lens will not suffer from this problem.Now what was the article all about ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A current cool white Cree MC-E LED can maintain a luminous flux of up to 730 lumens, that's about the same as a 60 watt (non-halogen) incandescent lamp.
Still it requires less than 15W at this current.
High-powered LEDs indeed have many advantages over CFLs.
Some more that you didn't mention:They are *better* dimmable than incandescent lamps (this requires smart electronics though, you can't just use a potentiometer) because they run more efficient when underpowered instead of less.
Running an incandescant lamp at 20\% of the rated brightness will still require 50\% or so of the rated power.
Running an LED at 20\% of the rated brightness will often require significantly *less* than 20\% of the rated power.No wear even when switched on and off extremely rapidly.Gradual degradation instead of spontaneous failure.
It was nice to have a replacement bulb with you everywhere you took your maglite, but LEDs make this unnecessary.Compared to CFLs: Slower to change hue (this is important when used as screen backlights).Takes up much less volume (the Cree Xlamp chip in some of my flashlights is indeed *tiny* but able to pump out up to 180 lumens).However it should be pointed out that there are huge quality differences between LED models as well.
There is simply no way a no-name LED with plastic lens made in China will be able to output a useful amount of light after 50,000 hours, all bold claims to the contrary notwithstanding.
E.g. the chip for a white LED emits some UV radiation that in the long term causes the plastic to cloud (sunlight aggravates the problem, obviously).
A higher quality and much more expensive LED with a glass lens will not suffer from this problem.Now what was the article all about?
;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886241</id>
	<title>Possible ground loop issues?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256669220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work for a company that bought a bunch of Dell Mini 9 laptops with SSDs to use for field reprogramming of microcontrolled electrical equipment in the field.  It worked great in the lab but failed in the field.  The SSDs would suddenly be "wiped" with the OS gone.  We eventually gave up on using them, but some investigation did indicate that there was a ground loop between the laptop and the electrical device.  The same problem never happened on any of the regular disk drive laptops that we were also using.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a company that bought a bunch of Dell Mini 9 laptops with SSDs to use for field reprogramming of microcontrolled electrical equipment in the field .
It worked great in the lab but failed in the field .
The SSDs would suddenly be " wiped " with the OS gone .
We eventually gave up on using them , but some investigation did indicate that there was a ground loop between the laptop and the electrical device .
The same problem never happened on any of the regular disk drive laptops that we were also using .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a company that bought a bunch of Dell Mini 9 laptops with SSDs to use for field reprogramming of microcontrolled electrical equipment in the field.
It worked great in the lab but failed in the field.
The SSDs would suddenly be "wiped" with the OS gone.
We eventually gave up on using them, but some investigation did indicate that there was a ground loop between the laptop and the electrical device.
The same problem never happened on any of the regular disk drive laptops that we were also using.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887811</id>
	<title>waiting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256675700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As evidenced by the multitude of failures of USB "flash drives" I will not be using SSD anytime soon.  I will probably consider Intel and OCZ brand SSDs toward the end of next year, but just as a boot drive.  The data arrays in my servers in my data center will continue to be hard drives for probably about 3-5 more years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As evidenced by the multitude of failures of USB " flash drives " I will not be using SSD anytime soon .
I will probably consider Intel and OCZ brand SSDs toward the end of next year , but just as a boot drive .
The data arrays in my servers in my data center will continue to be hard drives for probably about 3-5 more years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As evidenced by the multitude of failures of USB "flash drives" I will not be using SSD anytime soon.
I will probably consider Intel and OCZ brand SSDs toward the end of next year, but just as a boot drive.
The data arrays in my servers in my data center will continue to be hard drives for probably about 3-5 more years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885567</id>
	<title>No problems</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256666220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had one on my notebook computer for 1 1/2 years so far with daily usage, no problem whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had one on my notebook computer for 1 1/2 years so far with daily usage , no problem whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had one on my notebook computer for 1 1/2 years so far with daily usage, no problem whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885941</id>
	<title>Long Lifetime CFL "BS"</title>
	<author>MadCat221</author>
	<datestamp>1256667780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you think the long lifetime of CFLs is "BS", then the problem is not the bulbs, it's the shoddy wiring in the building.  They're sensitive to that.  You don't call the canary a useless bird in the coal mine when it keels over.

I've had the same two solar-spectrum bulbs in two of my room lights for two years and counting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think the long lifetime of CFLs is " BS " , then the problem is not the bulbs , it 's the shoddy wiring in the building .
They 're sensitive to that .
You do n't call the canary a useless bird in the coal mine when it keels over .
I 've had the same two solar-spectrum bulbs in two of my room lights for two years and counting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think the long lifetime of CFLs is "BS", then the problem is not the bulbs, it's the shoddy wiring in the building.
They're sensitive to that.
You don't call the canary a useless bird in the coal mine when it keels over.
I've had the same two solar-spectrum bulbs in two of my room lights for two years and counting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885801</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1256667180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, a lot of people get crap stuff from Wal-Mart or so. Philips actually makes good stuff. I have some Philips LED spotlights and although they are expensive ($30/bulb) they are great (about the same as a halogen) and they last while I have heard many stories about people getting $5-10 bulbs that are blue, don't give off any light and burn out in less than a year.</p><p>It's always the crappy companies that give new technology a bad rap. The same goes for smartphones, a lot of people I know don't like smartphones because their capabilities are grossly overstated (Blackberry, Symbian and other locked phones) and slow (Windows Mobile) while they don't have many of the apps that are touted by the carriers (unless you pay $10/app + over-the-top data charges like paying for individual e-mails received). However Android phones and the iPhone has changed a lot of that but people can't try the good ones out because they're locked to a crappy carrier with 2 year contracts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , a lot of people get crap stuff from Wal-Mart or so .
Philips actually makes good stuff .
I have some Philips LED spotlights and although they are expensive ( $ 30/bulb ) they are great ( about the same as a halogen ) and they last while I have heard many stories about people getting $ 5-10 bulbs that are blue , do n't give off any light and burn out in less than a year.It 's always the crappy companies that give new technology a bad rap .
The same goes for smartphones , a lot of people I know do n't like smartphones because their capabilities are grossly overstated ( Blackberry , Symbian and other locked phones ) and slow ( Windows Mobile ) while they do n't have many of the apps that are touted by the carriers ( unless you pay $ 10/app + over-the-top data charges like paying for individual e-mails received ) .
However Android phones and the iPhone has changed a lot of that but people ca n't try the good ones out because they 're locked to a crappy carrier with 2 year contracts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, a lot of people get crap stuff from Wal-Mart or so.
Philips actually makes good stuff.
I have some Philips LED spotlights and although they are expensive ($30/bulb) they are great (about the same as a halogen) and they last while I have heard many stories about people getting $5-10 bulbs that are blue, don't give off any light and burn out in less than a year.It's always the crappy companies that give new technology a bad rap.
The same goes for smartphones, a lot of people I know don't like smartphones because their capabilities are grossly overstated (Blackberry, Symbian and other locked phones) and slow (Windows Mobile) while they don't have many of the apps that are touted by the carriers (unless you pay $10/app + over-the-top data charges like paying for individual e-mails received).
However Android phones and the iPhone has changed a lot of that but people can't try the good ones out because they're locked to a crappy carrier with 2 year contracts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885897</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have to agree.</p><p>I've been using CFLs for 8 years and have yet to replace a bulb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have to agree.I 've been using CFLs for 8 years and have yet to replace a bulb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have to agree.I've been using CFLs for 8 years and have yet to replace a bulb.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885341</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256665260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I have yet to replace any of mine either, and there are some that I've turned on and off several times a day for years now.  A lot of the evidence in that article sounds pretty circumstantial.  The only thing I'd take at face value was the RPI testing, which found that 80\% of the bulbs lived up to their advertising.</p><p>As far as SSDs go, I bought a very cheap 32GB drive off eBay from some Shanghai-based reseller.  It was primarily an experiment, and a way to keep my old Thinkpad X40 relevant for another year or two.  So far it's lasted half a year, so if it continues for another 6 months or longer I'll consider the experiment successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I have yet to replace any of mine either , and there are some that I 've turned on and off several times a day for years now .
A lot of the evidence in that article sounds pretty circumstantial .
The only thing I 'd take at face value was the RPI testing , which found that 80 \ % of the bulbs lived up to their advertising.As far as SSDs go , I bought a very cheap 32GB drive off eBay from some Shanghai-based reseller .
It was primarily an experiment , and a way to keep my old Thinkpad X40 relevant for another year or two .
So far it 's lasted half a year , so if it continues for another 6 months or longer I 'll consider the experiment successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I have yet to replace any of mine either, and there are some that I've turned on and off several times a day for years now.
A lot of the evidence in that article sounds pretty circumstantial.
The only thing I'd take at face value was the RPI testing, which found that 80\% of the bulbs lived up to their advertising.As far as SSDs go, I bought a very cheap 32GB drive off eBay from some Shanghai-based reseller.
It was primarily an experiment, and a way to keep my old Thinkpad X40 relevant for another year or two.
So far it's lasted half a year, so if it continues for another 6 months or longer I'll consider the experiment successful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29886663</id>
	<title>Re:One of 7 Transcends</title>
	<author>quercus.aeternam</author>
	<datestamp>1256670960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't happen to have that bad drive around do you?</p><p>I'm in the market for a bad sata ssd or two.</p><p>As an aside, I suspect a fair number of people are.  Specifically, just about anyone using ZFS can hook up a 'bad' ssd as a read cache.  Cached data is checksummed before being used, so unless there are performance issues, it's all good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't happen to have that bad drive around do you ? I 'm in the market for a bad sata ssd or two.As an aside , I suspect a fair number of people are .
Specifically , just about anyone using ZFS can hook up a 'bad ' ssd as a read cache .
Cached data is checksummed before being used , so unless there are performance issues , it 's all good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't happen to have that bad drive around do you?I'm in the market for a bad sata ssd or two.As an aside, I suspect a fair number of people are.
Specifically, just about anyone using ZFS can hook up a 'bad' ssd as a read cache.
Cached data is checksummed before being used, so unless there are performance issues, it's all good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29887009</id>
	<title>Re:Linus says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256672400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a random average slashdotter, you insensitive clod.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a random average slashdotter , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a random average slashdotter, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29890407</id>
	<title>pointless subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256642760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bought a Corsair x64 but I couldnt install windows or format it. It shows up in windows and SMART is reporting fine conditions but it seems you cant write anything to it. Sending it back for a replacement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bought a Corsair x64 but I couldnt install windows or format it .
It shows up in windows and SMART is reporting fine conditions but it seems you cant write anything to it .
Sending it back for a replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bought a Corsair x64 but I couldnt install windows or format it.
It shows up in windows and SMART is reporting fine conditions but it seems you cant write anything to it.
Sending it back for a replacement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885287</id>
	<title>Re:Why the CF bulb hate?</title>
	<author>scorp1us</author>
	<datestamp>1256665020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had one catastrophic bulb failure - the glass actually burned up or something. Big brown stain on it and it ceased to function suddenly.</p><p>Aside from that every bulb I've had coming up on 3 years now  is still in commission or was decommissioned for a higher intensity bulb. I am now up to using 120w equiv (30w) bulbs. in some places. 100w equiv in others, and 60w (13w) for outside nighttime lighting. Even exposed to the elements (in a housing) these bulbs still last a long time.</p><p>I was really surprised recently to pick up 2 100w for $4.56 combined.<br>I really like the "nvision" brand - they seem to fit better and last fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had one catastrophic bulb failure - the glass actually burned up or something .
Big brown stain on it and it ceased to function suddenly.Aside from that every bulb I 've had coming up on 3 years now is still in commission or was decommissioned for a higher intensity bulb .
I am now up to using 120w equiv ( 30w ) bulbs .
in some places .
100w equiv in others , and 60w ( 13w ) for outside nighttime lighting .
Even exposed to the elements ( in a housing ) these bulbs still last a long time.I was really surprised recently to pick up 2 100w for $ 4.56 combined.I really like the " nvision " brand - they seem to fit better and last fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had one catastrophic bulb failure - the glass actually burned up or something.
Big brown stain on it and it ceased to function suddenly.Aside from that every bulb I've had coming up on 3 years now  is still in commission or was decommissioned for a higher intensity bulb.
I am now up to using 120w equiv (30w) bulbs.
in some places.
100w equiv in others, and 60w (13w) for outside nighttime lighting.
Even exposed to the elements (in a housing) these bulbs still last a long time.I was really surprised recently to pick up 2 100w for $4.56 combined.I really like the "nvision" brand - they seem to fit better and last fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_27_1559248.29885951</id>
	<title>Re:BS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I switched my entire house to CFL's three years ago.  Since then, I've one ONE fail - and it was in an enclosed can light over a shower.  I'd say that there ARE good quality bulbs out there, but they cost more than a buck or two each.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I switched my entire house to CFL 's three years ago .
Since then , I 've one ONE fail - and it was in an enclosed can light over a shower .
I 'd say that there ARE good quality bulbs out there , but they cost more than a buck or two each .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I switched my entire house to CFL's three years ago.
Since then, I've one ONE fail - and it was in an enclosed can light over a shower.
I'd say that there ARE good quality bulbs out there, but they cost more than a buck or two each.</sentencetext>
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