<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_26_1536252</id>
	<title>Canonical Halts Ubuntu CD Free-for-all</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1256581080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes to tell us that Canonical plans on <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/352798/canonical-limits-free-ubuntu-cds">limiting the number of "free Ubuntu CDs"</a> that people can mooch from the company.  The growing popularity of Ubuntu has seen a dramatic increase in the number of CDs being shipped via the free "ShipIt" scheme.  The only people able to take advantage of this program now will be the usual community teams, contributors, and first-time Ubuntu users.  <i>"'While these CDs are often referred to as 'free CDs,' they are of course not free of cost to Canonical. We want to continue this programme, but Ubuntu&rsquo;s growth means that some changes are necessary. Therefore we are adjusting how we handle CD requests to try to find the right balance between availability of CDs and the continued viability of the ShipIt program,' [Canonical's chief operating officer Jane Silber] adds.  Extra CD copies of Ubuntu will still be available for purchase through the Canonical store, although they need to be bought in bulk. Five copies of the open-source operating system will cost &pound;5 exc VAT and shipping."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes to tell us that Canonical plans on limiting the number of " free Ubuntu CDs " that people can mooch from the company .
The growing popularity of Ubuntu has seen a dramatic increase in the number of CDs being shipped via the free " ShipIt " scheme .
The only people able to take advantage of this program now will be the usual community teams , contributors , and first-time Ubuntu users .
" 'While these CDs are often referred to as 'free CDs, ' they are of course not free of cost to Canonical .
We want to continue this programme , but Ubuntu    s growth means that some changes are necessary .
Therefore we are adjusting how we handle CD requests to try to find the right balance between availability of CDs and the continued viability of the ShipIt program, ' [ Canonical 's chief operating officer Jane Silber ] adds .
Extra CD copies of Ubuntu will still be available for purchase through the Canonical store , although they need to be bought in bulk .
Five copies of the open-source operating system will cost   5 exc VAT and shipping .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Barence writes to tell us that Canonical plans on limiting the number of "free Ubuntu CDs" that people can mooch from the company.
The growing popularity of Ubuntu has seen a dramatic increase in the number of CDs being shipped via the free "ShipIt" scheme.
The only people able to take advantage of this program now will be the usual community teams, contributors, and first-time Ubuntu users.
"'While these CDs are often referred to as 'free CDs,' they are of course not free of cost to Canonical.
We want to continue this programme, but Ubuntu’s growth means that some changes are necessary.
Therefore we are adjusting how we handle CD requests to try to find the right balance between availability of CDs and the continued viability of the ShipIt program,' [Canonical's chief operating officer Jane Silber] adds.
Extra CD copies of Ubuntu will still be available for purchase through the Canonical store, although they need to be bought in bulk.
Five copies of the open-source operating system will cost £5 exc VAT and shipping.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876989</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>WillDraven</author>
	<datestamp>1256549940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sort of like this? <a href="http://wubi-installer.org/" title="wubi-installer.org">http://wubi-installer.org/</a> [wubi-installer.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of like this ?
http : //wubi-installer.org/ [ wubi-installer.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of like this?
http://wubi-installer.org/ [wubi-installer.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29891169</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Tribbin</author>
	<datestamp>1256646540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somehow the printed CD was a LOT more convincing for my friends to take it serious and give it a try.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow the printed CD was a LOT more convincing for my friends to take it serious and give it a try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow the printed CD was a LOT more convincing for my friends to take it serious and give it a try.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883515</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>mikechant</author>
	<datestamp>1256656920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Ubuntu LTS is once a year, and another major release every October.</i></p><p>Not quite. LTS is once every two years, the three intermediate releases are non-LTS.</p><p>i.e. 8.04, 10.4 LTS<br>8.10, 9.04, 9.10 non-LTS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu LTS is once a year , and another major release every October.Not quite .
LTS is once every two years , the three intermediate releases are non-LTS.i.e .
8.04 , 10.4 LTS8.10 , 9.04 , 9.10 non-LTS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu LTS is once a year, and another major release every October.Not quite.
LTS is once every two years, the three intermediate releases are non-LTS.i.e.
8.04, 10.4 LTS8.10, 9.04, 9.10 non-LTS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876667</id>
	<title>Re:Old news?</title>
	<author>Seth024</author>
	<datestamp>1256548800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could only order 1 at a time (or send a special request). After it got delivered, you could try to order another one.
Any subsequent orders or special requests always got denied for me though.

I always needed 2 CDs for me, and some more for my friends, but I haven't been able to hand them out for a few years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could only order 1 at a time ( or send a special request ) .
After it got delivered , you could try to order another one .
Any subsequent orders or special requests always got denied for me though .
I always needed 2 CDs for me , and some more for my friends , but I have n't been able to hand them out for a few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could only order 1 at a time (or send a special request).
After it got delivered, you could try to order another one.
Any subsequent orders or special requests always got denied for me though.
I always needed 2 CDs for me, and some more for my friends, but I haven't been able to hand them out for a few years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875297</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875503</id>
	<title>Re:Remember kids...Canonical is a private company</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1256586480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also a tax shelter country that the founder was born and raised in.</p><p>I've always though the Ubuntu folks were particularly generous giving those CD's away. I mean it's not like they were demos or trialware or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also a tax shelter country that the founder was born and raised in.I 've always though the Ubuntu folks were particularly generous giving those CD 's away .
I mean it 's not like they were demos or trialware or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also a tax shelter country that the founder was born and raised in.I've always though the Ubuntu folks were particularly generous giving those CD's away.
I mean it's not like they were demos or trialware or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882113</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256645820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try reading this BBC story it seems you can get it pre-intalled and it is being pushed as try before you install also</p><p>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try reading this BBC story it seems you can get it pre-intalled and it is being pushed as try before you install alsohttp : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try reading this BBC story it seems you can get it pre-intalled and it is being pushed as try before you install alsohttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875197</id>
	<title>Oh no.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean I'm going to have to <b>pay</b> for my beer coasters now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean I 'm going to have to pay for my beer coasters now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean I'm going to have to pay for my beer coasters now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877887</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1256553480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hooking users with deceptive advertising into installing a homemade OS disk on craigslist... Good try, but you need to add a pitch for a foreign lottery/enlargement pills/Nigerian inheritance etc. to fully motivate your target audience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hooking users with deceptive advertising into installing a homemade OS disk on craigslist... Good try , but you need to add a pitch for a foreign lottery/enlargement pills/Nigerian inheritance etc .
to fully motivate your target audience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hooking users with deceptive advertising into installing a homemade OS disk on craigslist... Good try, but you need to add a pitch for a foreign lottery/enlargement pills/Nigerian inheritance etc.
to fully motivate your target audience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883207</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu CD's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256655240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Up to date, like this: http://on-disk.com/product\_info.php/products\_id/838</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Up to date , like this : http : //on-disk.com/product \ _info.php/products \ _id/838</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up to date, like this: http://on-disk.com/product\_info.php/products\_id/838</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875411</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29885825</id>
	<title>Cover CDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256667300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I live (England) there are at least two Monthly Linux mags that include new versions of many distros on their cover disks. So although not free (&pound;5.99) for one magazine, there is a way to get a properly burned, labelled disk, usually with lots of extras too...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I live ( England ) there are at least two Monthly Linux mags that include new versions of many distros on their cover disks .
So although not free (   5.99 ) for one magazine , there is a way to get a properly burned , labelled disk , usually with lots of extras too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I live (England) there are at least two Monthly Linux mags that include new versions of many distros on their cover disks.
So although not free (£5.99) for one magazine, there is a way to get a properly burned, labelled disk, usually with lots of extras too...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29888199</id>
	<title>Re:Slow news day?</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1256634060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That definitely makes it news for nerds, I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That definitely makes it news for nerds , I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That definitely makes it news for nerds, I guess.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875867</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256588280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? Who'd a thunk it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Who 'd a thunk it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Who'd a thunk it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876809</id>
	<title>First one is always free</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1256549280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next, the download will cost. ' well, they are using their own bandwidth ya know'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next , the download will cost .
' well , they are using their own bandwidth ya know'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next, the download will cost.
' well, they are using their own bandwidth ya know'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883757</id>
	<title>Canonical missing the point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256658060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>call the person that applied for the cd a "customer",  have terms and conditions, keep their name and address in a CRM system, include stickers with the cd, it will directly add to business "value".</p><p>PS shipping ain't that much if you can wait and do it in bulk, hell outsource it if you must. cds shouldn't cost much more to distribute than a flyer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>call the person that applied for the cd a " customer " , have terms and conditions , keep their name and address in a CRM system , include stickers with the cd , it will directly add to business " value " .PS shipping ai n't that much if you can wait and do it in bulk , hell outsource it if you must .
cds should n't cost much more to distribute than a flyer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>call the person that applied for the cd a "customer",  have terms and conditions, keep their name and address in a CRM system, include stickers with the cd, it will directly add to business "value".PS shipping ain't that much if you can wait and do it in bulk, hell outsource it if you must.
cds shouldn't cost much more to distribute than a flyer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875637</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1256587200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is about Ubuntu, it's Linux for Humans which often includes morons.</p><p>The free CDs were also great for advocacy. With their sleeves, pictures and artwork they look a lot better to a new or potential user than a shiny just burned CD-R. I have been unable to find the ISO image that actually corresponds to the CD I was shipped in the past, but it could be that I'm not looking hard enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is about Ubuntu , it 's Linux for Humans which often includes morons.The free CDs were also great for advocacy .
With their sleeves , pictures and artwork they look a lot better to a new or potential user than a shiny just burned CD-R. I have been unable to find the ISO image that actually corresponds to the CD I was shipped in the past , but it could be that I 'm not looking hard enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is about Ubuntu, it's Linux for Humans which often includes morons.The free CDs were also great for advocacy.
With their sleeves, pictures and artwork they look a lot better to a new or potential user than a shiny just burned CD-R. I have been unable to find the ISO image that actually corresponds to the CD I was shipped in the past, but it could be that I'm not looking hard enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875313</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881977</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256643180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't trick people into using Ubuntu by calling it an free upgrade for Windows. The user will just get pissed when they can't run application/game X and sour them on the whole experience.</p><p>Show them the benefits AND drawbacks of switching to Ubuntu, and let them decide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't trick people into using Ubuntu by calling it an free upgrade for Windows .
The user will just get pissed when they ca n't run application/game X and sour them on the whole experience.Show them the benefits AND drawbacks of switching to Ubuntu , and let them decide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't trick people into using Ubuntu by calling it an free upgrade for Windows.
The user will just get pissed when they can't run application/game X and sour them on the whole experience.Show them the benefits AND drawbacks of switching to Ubuntu, and let them decide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875371</id>
	<title>The first one is always free</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1256585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once they get you hooked, it's free no longer.  If you want more, you pay, dearly.  Take heed, Hulu fans - it won't be free forever.

<p>

Yes, yes.  I know panderers of proprietary media such as Hulu are not to be compared to the wholly benevolent producers of FLOSS.  The similarity is that promotional tools are simply that, and once sufficient interest has been garnered or they become too expensive, they go away.  I always wondered how long they could support ShipIt, or how long services like Hulu would be free (of charge).  I have the answer to one question, at least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once they get you hooked , it 's free no longer .
If you want more , you pay , dearly .
Take heed , Hulu fans - it wo n't be free forever .
Yes , yes .
I know panderers of proprietary media such as Hulu are not to be compared to the wholly benevolent producers of FLOSS .
The similarity is that promotional tools are simply that , and once sufficient interest has been garnered or they become too expensive , they go away .
I always wondered how long they could support ShipIt , or how long services like Hulu would be free ( of charge ) .
I have the answer to one question , at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once they get you hooked, it's free no longer.
If you want more, you pay, dearly.
Take heed, Hulu fans - it won't be free forever.
Yes, yes.
I know panderers of proprietary media such as Hulu are not to be compared to the wholly benevolent producers of FLOSS.
The similarity is that promotional tools are simply that, and once sufficient interest has been garnered or they become too expensive, they go away.
I always wondered how long they could support ShipIt, or how long services like Hulu would be free (of charge).
I have the answer to one question, at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877813</id>
	<title>Re:Why not start a donation fund for these?</title>
	<author>bvankuik</author>
	<datestamp>1256553180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Obviously, it'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a "one copy per mailing address, per release" rule...."</p><p>If I was Canonical, I'd charge $0.25 cent per CD. This tiny amount keeps the obvious trolls from ordering limitlessly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Obviously , it 'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a " one copy per mailing address , per release " rule.... " If I was Canonical , I 'd charge $ 0.25 cent per CD .
This tiny amount keeps the obvious trolls from ordering limitlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Obviously, it'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a "one copy per mailing address, per release" rule...."If I was Canonical, I'd charge $0.25 cent per CD.
This tiny amount keeps the obvious trolls from ordering limitlessly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875715</id>
	<title>tax sheter country!!</title>
	<author>E IS mC(Square)</author>
	<datestamp>1256587500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;&gt;a tax shelter country
<br> <br>Yeah, man. Parents these days!! I mean, they had to go and give birth to a child in that country <i>just so that</i> when he grows up and creates a company, he will get tax benefits!</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; a tax shelter country Yeah , man .
Parents these days ! !
I mean , they had to go and give birth to a child in that country just so that when he grows up and creates a company , he will get tax benefits !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;a tax shelter country
 Yeah, man.
Parents these days!!
I mean, they had to go and give birth to a child in that country just so that when he grows up and creates a company, he will get tax benefits!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876547</id>
	<title>Flash Drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256548380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a college student, I'm fairly active in promoting Ubuntu in the dorms<br>But what I'd like to see is cheap, Ubuntu branded USB sticks - Who even uses CDs to install anymore... ?</p><p>You have something reusable, and you can reload the stick with a new version if needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a college student , I 'm fairly active in promoting Ubuntu in the dormsBut what I 'd like to see is cheap , Ubuntu branded USB sticks - Who even uses CDs to install anymore... ? You have something reusable , and you can reload the stick with a new version if needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a college student, I'm fairly active in promoting Ubuntu in the dormsBut what I'd like to see is cheap, Ubuntu branded USB sticks - Who even uses CDs to install anymore... ?You have something reusable, and you can reload the stick with a new version if needed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875395</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>noundi</author>
	<datestamp>1256585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it. Gentoo offers the, by far, best community with detailed HOWTO's on almost anything. It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it'll be worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it .
Gentoo offers the , by far , best community with detailed HOWTO 's on almost anything .
It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it 'll be worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it.
Gentoo offers the, by far, best community with detailed HOWTO's on almost anything.
It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it'll be worth it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875219</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882089</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1256645220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Some of us don't have a high speed internet<br>&gt; connection to download the iso.<br><br>*shrug*.  So use wget.  (Yes, it's available for Windows.)  I once downloaded a set of three Mandrake CDs over a dialup connection.  It took a few days, sure, but so does sending things through the mail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Some of us do n't have a high speed internet &gt; connection to download the iso. * shrug * .
So use wget .
( Yes , it 's available for Windows .
) I once downloaded a set of three Mandrake CDs over a dialup connection .
It took a few days , sure , but so does sending things through the mail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Some of us don't have a high speed internet&gt; connection to download the iso.*shrug*.
So use wget.
(Yes, it's available for Windows.
)  I once downloaded a set of three Mandrake CDs over a dialup connection.
It took a few days, sure, but so does sending things through the mail.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882365</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256650020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd charge a single buck for the CD just to discourage people from taking them like all the shrimps at a buffet. People will see it as an interesting option: Windows 7: &gt;100$ - Ubuntu: 1$. I also think that 1$ per copy will cover the transportation and printing costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd charge a single buck for the CD just to discourage people from taking them like all the shrimps at a buffet .
People will see it as an interesting option : Windows 7 : &gt; 100 $ - Ubuntu : 1 $ .
I also think that 1 $ per copy will cover the transportation and printing costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd charge a single buck for the CD just to discourage people from taking them like all the shrimps at a buffet.
People will see it as an interesting option: Windows 7: &gt;100$ - Ubuntu: 1$.
I also think that 1$ per copy will cover the transportation and printing costs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876147</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883635</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the speed of the internet connection is a problem, Ubuntu off of a cd would probably be worse than another distro off of a DVD, because if I remember right a lot of the applications on my Ubuntu system had to be downloaded as packages, which was fine for me since I was downloading the ISO anyway.  Without a fast enough internet connection I would certainly have gone with a DVD, probably Fedora.  Though that being said, most of the packages are small and might be bearable taken one at a time, but I really wouldn't recommend it over a modem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the speed of the internet connection is a problem , Ubuntu off of a cd would probably be worse than another distro off of a DVD , because if I remember right a lot of the applications on my Ubuntu system had to be downloaded as packages , which was fine for me since I was downloading the ISO anyway .
Without a fast enough internet connection I would certainly have gone with a DVD , probably Fedora .
Though that being said , most of the packages are small and might be bearable taken one at a time , but I really would n't recommend it over a modem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the speed of the internet connection is a problem, Ubuntu off of a cd would probably be worse than another distro off of a DVD, because if I remember right a lot of the applications on my Ubuntu system had to be downloaded as packages, which was fine for me since I was downloading the ISO anyway.
Without a fast enough internet connection I would certainly have gone with a DVD, probably Fedora.
Though that being said, most of the packages are small and might be bearable taken one at a time, but I really wouldn't recommend it over a modem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</id>
	<title>Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never got any of the free CDs because I never wanted to wait.  I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never got any of the free CDs because I never wanted to wait .
I guess it was handy for people that could n't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never got any of the free CDs because I never wanted to wait.
I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880493</id>
	<title>The real reason Canonical stopped the free-for-all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256574060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not due to "growing popularity". Ubuntu has been <i>losing</i> mindshare for about a year now to other distros (mostly Debian, Fedora, Arch). The real reason is that there have been organized efforts to have Canonical send massive numbers of free CDs to phony addresses or to people who don't want them. This has been going on for years, and it looks like Canonical finally realized how much money it was costing them. They are a privately-held company which still has never turned a profit, so I don't blame them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not due to " growing popularity " .
Ubuntu has been losing mindshare for about a year now to other distros ( mostly Debian , Fedora , Arch ) .
The real reason is that there have been organized efforts to have Canonical send massive numbers of free CDs to phony addresses or to people who do n't want them .
This has been going on for years , and it looks like Canonical finally realized how much money it was costing them .
They are a privately-held company which still has never turned a profit , so I do n't blame them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not due to "growing popularity".
Ubuntu has been losing mindshare for about a year now to other distros (mostly Debian, Fedora, Arch).
The real reason is that there have been organized efforts to have Canonical send massive numbers of free CDs to phony addresses or to people who don't want them.
This has been going on for years, and it looks like Canonical finally realized how much money it was costing them.
They are a privately-held company which still has never turned a profit, so I don't blame them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875179</id>
	<title>already ordered</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>do you still get it if you ordered it last week?</p><p>e.g. no new requests?</p><p>the form said it was going to be 1-2 weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do you still get it if you ordered it last week ? e.g .
no new requests ? the form said it was going to be 1-2 weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do you still get it if you ordered it last week?e.g.
no new requests?the form said it was going to be 1-2 weeks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875165</id>
	<title>Slow news day?</title>
	<author>Captain Splendid</author>
	<datestamp>1256584980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This FA might better have been held onto for a while, then bundled together with a few others in a "Ubuntu is really popular!" story.<br> <br>

People would still bitch about it being a non-story, but at least some work would have gone into it.  This, however: "Company X makes minor overhead adjustment."  Yawn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This FA might better have been held onto for a while , then bundled together with a few others in a " Ubuntu is really popular !
" story .
People would still bitch about it being a non-story , but at least some work would have gone into it .
This , however : " Company X makes minor overhead adjustment .
" Yawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This FA might better have been held onto for a while, then bundled together with a few others in a "Ubuntu is really popular!
" story.
People would still bitch about it being a non-story, but at least some work would have gone into it.
This, however: "Company X makes minor overhead adjustment.
"  Yawn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879973</id>
	<title>Are you people real?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256568060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These posts are nauseating.</p><p>If there ever was a reality distortion field, it is right here...</p><p>"Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release."  +5 Insightful<br>
&nbsp; - WOW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These posts are nauseating.If there ever was a reality distortion field , it is right here... " Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time , riding off the Win7 release .
" + 5 Insightful   - WOW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These posts are nauseating.If there ever was a reality distortion field, it is right here..."Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release.
"  +5 Insightful
  - WOW</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877103</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1256550360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never used the service mentioned here, but having been in the same boat once, I can say that it's of great value to dial-up users. I remember buying some Linux CD's way back when to avoid the download, and also downloaded ISO's a few times over dial-up, using resuming FTP and starting the transfer and having it go overnight for weeks.</p><p>Downloading a Linux ISO back then felt like as much of a grind as leveling an MMORPG character does now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never used the service mentioned here , but having been in the same boat once , I can say that it 's of great value to dial-up users .
I remember buying some Linux CD 's way back when to avoid the download , and also downloaded ISO 's a few times over dial-up , using resuming FTP and starting the transfer and having it go overnight for weeks.Downloading a Linux ISO back then felt like as much of a grind as leveling an MMORPG character does now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never used the service mentioned here, but having been in the same boat once, I can say that it's of great value to dial-up users.
I remember buying some Linux CD's way back when to avoid the download, and also downloaded ISO's a few times over dial-up, using resuming FTP and starting the transfer and having it go overnight for weeks.Downloading a Linux ISO back then felt like as much of a grind as leveling an MMORPG character does now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875933</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I just used the torrents. This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth."</p><p>Your not sharing the bandwidth. Each Peer is using the same bandwidth if he was getting the bits from you or directly from Canonical.</p><p>It might be better to say you are sharing the file.  And If you want to use Canonical in the sentence you could say people are downloading from me and my Peers instead of Canonical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I just used the torrents .
This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth .
" Your not sharing the bandwidth .
Each Peer is using the same bandwidth if he was getting the bits from you or directly from Canonical.It might be better to say you are sharing the file .
And If you want to use Canonical in the sentence you could say people are downloading from me and my Peers instead of Canonical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I just used the torrents.
This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth.
"Your not sharing the bandwidth.
Each Peer is using the same bandwidth if he was getting the bits from you or directly from Canonical.It might be better to say you are sharing the file.
And If you want to use Canonical in the sentence you could say people are downloading from me and my Peers instead of Canonical.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876399</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256547660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, I never even bothered with CD's.  You can make a live-USB version with minimal effort.  If they really wanted to make it easy for people to install, they'd have a download packaged into a self-extracting executable which also writes a boot-record to the flash drive.  That way even people who don't know how to burn CD's would be able to use it.</p><p>Of course, I suppose that anyone who doesn't know how to burn a CD would probably have a hell of a time trying to figure out how to make the computer boot from USB<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I never even bothered with CD 's .
You can make a live-USB version with minimal effort .
If they really wanted to make it easy for people to install , they 'd have a download packaged into a self-extracting executable which also writes a boot-record to the flash drive .
That way even people who do n't know how to burn CD 's would be able to use it.Of course , I suppose that anyone who does n't know how to burn a CD would probably have a hell of a time trying to figure out how to make the computer boot from USB ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I never even bothered with CD's.
You can make a live-USB version with minimal effort.
If they really wanted to make it easy for people to install, they'd have a download packaged into a self-extracting executable which also writes a boot-record to the flash drive.
That way even people who don't know how to burn CD's would be able to use it.Of course, I suppose that anyone who doesn't know how to burn a CD would probably have a hell of a time trying to figure out how to make the computer boot from USB ....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876813</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1256549280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It occured to me that it would be fun (and possibly significant) to ship ubuntu with a tool to make new ubuntu CDs. Of course you can do that with the built in CD burning tool but I mean making the process a bit more explicit with a prominent menu option (Make new Ubuntu CD) which asks for the install CD, extracts the ISO, burns a new CD ancd optionally prints the official CD label.</p><p>Its the kind of functionality you won't be seeing in Windows 7 any time soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It occured to me that it would be fun ( and possibly significant ) to ship ubuntu with a tool to make new ubuntu CDs .
Of course you can do that with the built in CD burning tool but I mean making the process a bit more explicit with a prominent menu option ( Make new Ubuntu CD ) which asks for the install CD , extracts the ISO , burns a new CD ancd optionally prints the official CD label.Its the kind of functionality you wo n't be seeing in Windows 7 any time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It occured to me that it would be fun (and possibly significant) to ship ubuntu with a tool to make new ubuntu CDs.
Of course you can do that with the built in CD burning tool but I mean making the process a bit more explicit with a prominent menu option (Make new Ubuntu CD) which asks for the install CD, extracts the ISO, burns a new CD ancd optionally prints the official CD label.Its the kind of functionality you won't be seeing in Windows 7 any time soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875305</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875957</id>
	<title>UNetbootin</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1256588640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they offered a quick "Load Installer on CD/USB" program (would take some programmer, what, ten minutes to write something like that?..), I think they'd get a lot more people giving it a try.</p></div><p>Does UNetbootin count?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they offered a quick " Load Installer on CD/USB " program ( would take some programmer , what , ten minutes to write something like that ? . .
) , I think they 'd get a lot more people giving it a try.Does UNetbootin count ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they offered a quick "Load Installer on CD/USB" program (would take some programmer, what, ten minutes to write something like that?..
), I think they'd get a lot more people giving it a try.Does UNetbootin count?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875273</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879591</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256564340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't figured out the ad text yet, but I think a title along the lines of "free upgrade for Windows users" would get people to read the ad.</p><p>Don't forget to mention the incompatibility with their existing apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't figured out the ad text yet , but I think a title along the lines of " free upgrade for Windows users " would get people to read the ad.Do n't forget to mention the incompatibility with their existing apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't figured out the ad text yet, but I think a title along the lines of "free upgrade for Windows users" would get people to read the ad.Don't forget to mention the incompatibility with their existing apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881107</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1256584080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IS there any OS that is moron proof?</p><p>Ubuntu or Mandriva is better than Windows for naive users: the people who find it difficult are Windows "power users" who have spent years learning Window thoroughly at the level of "to do x, click, a, then click b, then click c".</p><p>I can let my six year old daughter install software unsupervised on Linux. If I did that with Windows I would end up with a malware ridden machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IS there any OS that is moron proof ? Ubuntu or Mandriva is better than Windows for naive users : the people who find it difficult are Windows " power users " who have spent years learning Window thoroughly at the level of " to do x , click , a , then click b , then click c " .I can let my six year old daughter install software unsupervised on Linux .
If I did that with Windows I would end up with a malware ridden machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IS there any OS that is moron proof?Ubuntu or Mandriva is better than Windows for naive users: the people who find it difficult are Windows "power users" who have spent years learning Window thoroughly at the level of "to do x, click, a, then click b, then click c".I can let my six year old daughter install software unsupervised on Linux.
If I did that with Windows I would end up with a malware ridden machine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875313</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875757</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is anonymous post to avoid breaking modding (removed "Flamebait" rating from parent).</p><p>Disclaimer: I like Ubuntu and bought the discs for the heck of it.</p><p>Regards,<br>Ruemere</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is anonymous post to avoid breaking modding ( removed " Flamebait " rating from parent ) .Disclaimer : I like Ubuntu and bought the discs for the heck of it.Regards,Ruemere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is anonymous post to avoid breaking modding (removed "Flamebait" rating from parent).Disclaimer: I like Ubuntu and bought the discs for the heck of it.Regards,Ruemere</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875859</id>
	<title>Outdated System is Outdated</title>
	<author>MacGyver2210</author>
	<datestamp>1256588220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>1998 called, they want their software distribution method back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1998 called , they want their software distribution method back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1998 called, they want their software distribution method back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875343</id>
	<title>Surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>running a company by giving everything away free is a bad business model.</htmltext>
<tokenext>running a company by giving everything away free is a bad business model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>running a company by giving everything away free is a bad business model.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877021</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256550060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>not saavy enough to burn their own CDs

<p>What a pompous asshole.  Some of us don't have a high speed internet connection to download the iso.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not saavy enough to burn their own CDs What a pompous asshole .
Some of us do n't have a high speed internet connection to download the iso .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not saavy enough to burn their own CDs

What a pompous asshole.
Some of us don't have a high speed internet connection to download the iso.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875313</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29896357</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1256740980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because, of course, everyohne in the world now has a free high speed internet connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because , of course , everyohne in the world now has a free high speed internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because, of course, everyohne in the world now has a free high speed internet connection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883661</id>
	<title>Re:Make available via outloets like Netflicks?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256657580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you can always get them for your local Library via the Public Software Foundation. Then everyone in your community can have access to it and just check it out of the library. publicsoftwarefoundation.org</p><p>Shipit - 1 free disc = delivered to one person<br>PSF - 1 disc available to thousands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you can always get them for your local Library via the Public Software Foundation .
Then everyone in your community can have access to it and just check it out of the library .
publicsoftwarefoundation.orgShipit - 1 free disc = delivered to one personPSF - 1 disc available to thousands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you can always get them for your local Library via the Public Software Foundation.
Then everyone in your community can have access to it and just check it out of the library.
publicsoftwarefoundation.orgShipit - 1 free disc = delivered to one personPSF - 1 disc available to thousands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878155</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Qu4Z</author>
	<datestamp>1256554620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My browser supports bittorrent downloads in-browser<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br>Admittedly it doesn't support built-in image/video display/playback, so that's a bit of a downside.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(<br>(elinks, for those who are lost)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My browser supports bittorrent downloads in-browser : - ) Admittedly it does n't support built-in image/video display/playback , so that 's a bit of a downside .
: - ( ( elinks , for those who are lost )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My browser supports bittorrent downloads in-browser :-)Admittedly it doesn't support built-in image/video display/playback, so that's a bit of a downside.
:-((elinks, for those who are lost)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875217</id>
	<title>Understandable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, I was amazed they kept it going this long. It's a nice service, but I always thought they should charge a nominal fee to cover costs and shipping, at least. Giving them away for free was a good statement of Canonical's principles, and very much in the spirit of ubuntu (the philosophy), but Ubuntu (the distro) isn't quite a charity and there are better things they could put funds into, I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , I was amazed they kept it going this long .
It 's a nice service , but I always thought they should charge a nominal fee to cover costs and shipping , at least .
Giving them away for free was a good statement of Canonical 's principles , and very much in the spirit of ubuntu ( the philosophy ) , but Ubuntu ( the distro ) is n't quite a charity and there are better things they could put funds into , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, I was amazed they kept it going this long.
It's a nice service, but I always thought they should charge a nominal fee to cover costs and shipping, at least.
Giving them away for free was a good statement of Canonical's principles, and very much in the spirit of ubuntu (the philosophy), but Ubuntu (the distro) isn't quite a charity and there are better things they could put funds into, I think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881299</id>
	<title>decentralize</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1256673720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think Canonical should <i>decentralize</i> Ubuntu CDs distribution. They are number of volunteers in every nation to help them out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Canonical should decentralize Ubuntu CDs distribution .
They are number of volunteers in every nation to help them out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Canonical should decentralize Ubuntu CDs distribution.
They are number of volunteers in every nation to help them out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876323</id>
	<title>Freedom isn't Free.</title>
	<author>iiiears</author>
	<datestamp>1256590500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Found something useful on the web?

Received something valuable?

Contribute something in return.


Paypal is just one of the available services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Found something useful on the web ?
Received something valuable ?
Contribute something in return .
Paypal is just one of the available services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Found something useful on the web?
Received something valuable?
Contribute something in return.
Paypal is just one of the available services.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880271</id>
	<title>I liked ShipIt</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1256571540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ShipIt was great. It's not that I ever used the CDs myself, but they were great to give away at LUG meetings, installfests, and other events. There's something to be said for a pressed CD in nice packaging (compared with a burned CD).</p><p>That said, when you've got 30Mbps at home, CDs in the mail seem a bit silly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ShipIt was great .
It 's not that I ever used the CDs myself , but they were great to give away at LUG meetings , installfests , and other events .
There 's something to be said for a pressed CD in nice packaging ( compared with a burned CD ) .That said , when you 've got 30Mbps at home , CDs in the mail seem a bit silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ShipIt was great.
It's not that I ever used the CDs myself, but they were great to give away at LUG meetings, installfests, and other events.
There's something to be said for a pressed CD in nice packaging (compared with a burned CD).That said, when you've got 30Mbps at home, CDs in the mail seem a bit silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875387</id>
	<title>Still value in the CDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I may still end up ordering a set of them...although it'd be easier to justify if it was $5, instead of E.5</p><p>I've recently been experimenting with managing Ubuntu configurations on the systems at work (so much cheaper than RHEL or SLES) for "low importance" servers running IM clients, wikis, or even apache installs that are rarely touched.  Their headless install is a bit...well...hideous and inefficient, but still manageable.  Unlike the Redhat based O/S, I've actually got current enough libraries to be able to compile and run some of the newer applications out there.</p><p>When I first did it, I burned an ISO, and requested a CD set--pressed images are just better.  For $5, I'd rather have high quality media that will still be working in 10 years if one of those servers ever *does* become critical.  Let's face it--even though it's open and free, it's no guarantee the old ISOs will be published or easy to download forever.</p><p>Anybody know what animal they're going to name the Q release after?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I may still end up ordering a set of them...although it 'd be easier to justify if it was $ 5 , instead of E.5I 've recently been experimenting with managing Ubuntu configurations on the systems at work ( so much cheaper than RHEL or SLES ) for " low importance " servers running IM clients , wikis , or even apache installs that are rarely touched .
Their headless install is a bit...well...hideous and inefficient , but still manageable .
Unlike the Redhat based O/S , I 've actually got current enough libraries to be able to compile and run some of the newer applications out there.When I first did it , I burned an ISO , and requested a CD set--pressed images are just better .
For $ 5 , I 'd rather have high quality media that will still be working in 10 years if one of those servers ever * does * become critical .
Let 's face it--even though it 's open and free , it 's no guarantee the old ISOs will be published or easy to download forever.Anybody know what animal they 're going to name the Q release after ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may still end up ordering a set of them...although it'd be easier to justify if it was $5, instead of E.5I've recently been experimenting with managing Ubuntu configurations on the systems at work (so much cheaper than RHEL or SLES) for "low importance" servers running IM clients, wikis, or even apache installs that are rarely touched.
Their headless install is a bit...well...hideous and inefficient, but still manageable.
Unlike the Redhat based O/S, I've actually got current enough libraries to be able to compile and run some of the newer applications out there.When I first did it, I burned an ISO, and requested a CD set--pressed images are just better.
For $5, I'd rather have high quality media that will still be working in 10 years if one of those servers ever *does* become critical.
Let's face it--even though it's open and free, it's no guarantee the old ISOs will be published or easy to download forever.Anybody know what animal they're going to name the Q release after?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880205</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256570760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people download and burn, although first time Linux users need something.  Windows users need a cd burning tool.  Linux users already have a DVD/CD burning program (they also need a burner and blank media, of course).  We are now about 4 days out (I think wide availability on Friday) for the newest Ubuntu 9.10.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people download and burn , although first time Linux users need something .
Windows users need a cd burning tool .
Linux users already have a DVD/CD burning program ( they also need a burner and blank media , of course ) .
We are now about 4 days out ( I think wide availability on Friday ) for the newest Ubuntu 9.10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people download and burn, although first time Linux users need something.
Windows users need a cd burning tool.
Linux users already have a DVD/CD burning program (they also need a burner and blank media, of course).
We are now about 4 days out (I think wide availability on Friday) for the newest Ubuntu 9.10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879419</id>
	<title>Infomercials...</title>
	<author>mathfeel</author>
	<datestamp>1256563080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why don't they just charge a small shipping fee? I think most people would find that reasonable even for something that is "free".
<br> <br>
I am convinced S/H is how those late night infomercial makes $ anyway. "Order now, and we'll send you a second unit absolutely free! Only pay extra shipping and handling".
<br> <br>
Judging by the crap people are willing to buy---and Ubuntu is pretty the opposite of crap---just because of psychology of <b>cheap, but not free</b>, I am surprised people haven't been marketed to this way by Desktop Linux vendor (if there is such thing). Especially with wubi installer you can now try Ubuntu <b>rick free</b> (punt intended).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't they just charge a small shipping fee ?
I think most people would find that reasonable even for something that is " free " .
I am convinced S/H is how those late night infomercial makes $ anyway .
" Order now , and we 'll send you a second unit absolutely free !
Only pay extra shipping and handling " .
Judging by the crap people are willing to buy---and Ubuntu is pretty the opposite of crap---just because of psychology of cheap , but not free , I am surprised people have n't been marketed to this way by Desktop Linux vendor ( if there is such thing ) .
Especially with wubi installer you can now try Ubuntu rick free ( punt intended ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't they just charge a small shipping fee?
I think most people would find that reasonable even for something that is "free".
I am convinced S/H is how those late night infomercial makes $ anyway.
"Order now, and we'll send you a second unit absolutely free!
Only pay extra shipping and handling".
Judging by the crap people are willing to buy---and Ubuntu is pretty the opposite of crap---just because of psychology of cheap, but not free, I am surprised people haven't been marketed to this way by Desktop Linux vendor (if there is such thing).
Especially with wubi installer you can now try Ubuntu rick free (punt intended).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875537</id>
	<title>Re:The first one is always free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, well, they still provide the data for free, just they aren't giving away the media anymore. Considering that the media cost about $0.10 plus shipping, I can't say I blame them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , well , they still provide the data for free , just they are n't giving away the media anymore .
Considering that the media cost about $ 0.10 plus shipping , I ca n't say I blame them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, well, they still provide the data for free, just they aren't giving away the media anymore.
Considering that the media cost about $0.10 plus shipping, I can't say I blame them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877247</id>
	<title>Unfortunate</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1256550960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our local Linux gang has been a good advocate for Ubuntu Linux by ordering these free silkscreened CDs.  Placed next to burned CDs of Fedora, Slack, Gentoo, et al, the Ubuntu CDs always flew off the show-tables at our tech shows (not always purely Linux shows).  And no, we're not a LUG, and Canonical probably won't send us any more CDs, but we would order 100's, and only handed them out if people were really interested in trying Linux.  We would only end up with a handful afterward.  I'm not going to pay to do their marketing.  I may not even burn their CDs to place on the table.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our local Linux gang has been a good advocate for Ubuntu Linux by ordering these free silkscreened CDs .
Placed next to burned CDs of Fedora , Slack , Gentoo , et al , the Ubuntu CDs always flew off the show-tables at our tech shows ( not always purely Linux shows ) .
And no , we 're not a LUG , and Canonical probably wo n't send us any more CDs , but we would order 100 's , and only handed them out if people were really interested in trying Linux .
We would only end up with a handful afterward .
I 'm not going to pay to do their marketing .
I may not even burn their CDs to place on the table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our local Linux gang has been a good advocate for Ubuntu Linux by ordering these free silkscreened CDs.
Placed next to burned CDs of Fedora, Slack, Gentoo, et al, the Ubuntu CDs always flew off the show-tables at our tech shows (not always purely Linux shows).
And no, we're not a LUG, and Canonical probably won't send us any more CDs, but we would order 100's, and only handed them out if people were really interested in trying Linux.
We would only end up with a handful afterward.
I'm not going to pay to do their marketing.
I may not even burn their CDs to place on the table.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875983</id>
	<title>Netbook remix on USB?</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1256588760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing that would be a nice idea would be to sell netbook remix installers on a USB stick. Not everybody knows how to download the file and convert a usb stick into a bootable version.<p>I have 9.10 running off a flash card and everything is working properly - with no email setup, encrypted home, and browser history deleted on exit it's now my internet banking appliance, but I'm getting close to putting it on the HDD too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that would be a nice idea would be to sell netbook remix installers on a USB stick .
Not everybody knows how to download the file and convert a usb stick into a bootable version.I have 9.10 running off a flash card and everything is working properly - with no email setup , encrypted home , and browser history deleted on exit it 's now my internet banking appliance , but I 'm getting close to putting it on the HDD too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that would be a nice idea would be to sell netbook remix installers on a USB stick.
Not everybody knows how to download the file and convert a usb stick into a bootable version.I have 9.10 running off a flash card and everything is working properly - with no email setup, encrypted home, and browser history deleted on exit it's now my internet banking appliance, but I'm getting close to putting it on the HDD too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876107</id>
	<title>Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1256589420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There has got to be some way to install Ubuntu without having to boot from a CD (regardless of whether said CD is obtained by mail or by burning an ISO).</p><p>Why can't there be a software program that is run in Windows, and it creates a partition and a installs a boot loader, so that you can install ubuntu in windows, restart and boot in ubuntu? I know there are already partition makers that run in windows, how hard would it be to put an ubuntu image in a newly made partition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There has got to be some way to install Ubuntu without having to boot from a CD ( regardless of whether said CD is obtained by mail or by burning an ISO ) .Why ca n't there be a software program that is run in Windows , and it creates a partition and a installs a boot loader , so that you can install ubuntu in windows , restart and boot in ubuntu ?
I know there are already partition makers that run in windows , how hard would it be to put an ubuntu image in a newly made partition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has got to be some way to install Ubuntu without having to boot from a CD (regardless of whether said CD is obtained by mail or by burning an ISO).Why can't there be a software program that is run in Windows, and it creates a partition and a installs a boot loader, so that you can install ubuntu in windows, restart and boot in ubuntu?
I know there are already partition makers that run in windows, how hard would it be to put an ubuntu image in a newly made partition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>camperslo</author>
	<datestamp>1256586720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release.</i></p><p>Maybe we can help Ubuntu a bit this week, burning and giving away Ubuntu 9.10 CDs through places like craigslist.</p><p>I haven't figured out the ad text yet, but I think a title along the lines of "free upgrade for Windows users" would get people to read the ad.</p><p>I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing, the ability to dual boot, the included memory tester (something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs), the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software, the great free apps included, the easy of finding adding/removing apps, freedom from registration keys and ads, freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU...  should include something about minimum RAM requirements.  Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games, and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.</p><p>Something simple looking, like a list format might be easily understood?</p><p>A bunch of us working on this could have an impact.</p><p>Ubuntu : The New Efficiency  (an MS slogan that fits Ubuntu much better)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time , riding off the Win7 release.Maybe we can help Ubuntu a bit this week , burning and giving away Ubuntu 9.10 CDs through places like craigslist.I have n't figured out the ad text yet , but I think a title along the lines of " free upgrade for Windows users " would get people to read the ad.I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing , the ability to dual boot , the included memory tester ( something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs ) , the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software , the great free apps included , the easy of finding adding/removing apps , freedom from registration keys and ads , freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU... should include something about minimum RAM requirements .
Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games , and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.Something simple looking , like a list format might be easily understood ? A bunch of us working on this could have an impact.Ubuntu : The New Efficiency ( an MS slogan that fits Ubuntu much better )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release.Maybe we can help Ubuntu a bit this week, burning and giving away Ubuntu 9.10 CDs through places like craigslist.I haven't figured out the ad text yet, but I think a title along the lines of "free upgrade for Windows users" would get people to read the ad.I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing, the ability to dual boot, the included memory tester (something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs), the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software, the great free apps included, the easy of finding adding/removing apps, freedom from registration keys and ads, freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU...  should include something about minimum RAM requirements.
Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games, and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.Something simple looking, like a list format might be easily understood?A bunch of us working on this could have an impact.Ubuntu : The New Efficiency  (an MS slogan that fits Ubuntu much better)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881887</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1256641680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I downloaded many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.isos back in 1999 using download managers (there was no broadband in the dorms at Kunsan AB) I also tried plenty of distros via Cheapbytes, who are still around:</p><p><a href="http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart" title="cheapbytes.com">http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart</a> [cheapbytes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I downloaded many .isos back in 1999 using download managers ( there was no broadband in the dorms at Kunsan AB ) I also tried plenty of distros via Cheapbytes , who are still around : http : //shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart [ cheapbytes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I downloaded many .isos back in 1999 using download managers (there was no broadband in the dorms at Kunsan AB) I also tried plenty of distros via Cheapbytes, who are still around:http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart [cheapbytes.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878451</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing, the ability to dual boot, the included memory tester (something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs), the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software, the great free apps included, the easy of finding adding/removing apps, freedom from registration keys and ads, freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU... should include something about minimum RAM requirements. Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games, and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.</p></div><p>Don't lie - describe!</p><p>"Security Software included"<br>"Thousands of easy to install, <i>legally</i> free apps available"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing , the ability to dual boot , the included memory tester ( something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs ) , the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software , the great free apps included , the easy of finding adding/removing apps , freedom from registration keys and ads , freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU... should include something about minimum RAM requirements .
Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games , and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.Do n't lie - describe !
" Security Software included " " Thousands of easy to install , legally free apps available "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I figured the text could mention the ability to try it before installing, the ability to dual boot, the included memory tester (something that would avoid one of the problems with Win7 installs), the speed boost seen on some machines due to it being leaning and not having the overhead of antivirus software, the great free apps included, the easy of finding adding/removing apps, freedom from registration keys and ads, freedom to copy.... great additional effects/features with a modern GPU... should include something about minimum RAM requirements.
Maybe mention that Mac switchers could keep the old PC around to run Windows games, and be safely used for net access through Ubuntu.Don't lie - describe!
"Security Software included""Thousands of easy to install, legally free apps available"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878027</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Qu4Z</author>
	<datestamp>1256554080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, in my (limited) experience it's the people who aren't capable of burning their own CDs who are the most likely to keep using Linux. Firstly they have rather limited needs out of their computer (now I always run Linux, and I'm a big fan, but you must admit it's easier to convert people who only need a word processor than those used to playing all the latest games on their SLI Windows boxen). Secondly, they haven't really gotten used to Windows, so "I have to look through the menus to find things rather than pressing the shortcut I'm used to" is the default state of affairs for them.<br>So yeah, don't underestimate the power of normal users<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in my ( limited ) experience it 's the people who are n't capable of burning their own CDs who are the most likely to keep using Linux .
Firstly they have rather limited needs out of their computer ( now I always run Linux , and I 'm a big fan , but you must admit it 's easier to convert people who only need a word processor than those used to playing all the latest games on their SLI Windows boxen ) .
Secondly , they have n't really gotten used to Windows , so " I have to look through the menus to find things rather than pressing the shortcut I 'm used to " is the default state of affairs for them.So yeah , do n't underestimate the power of normal users : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in my (limited) experience it's the people who aren't capable of burning their own CDs who are the most likely to keep using Linux.
Firstly they have rather limited needs out of their computer (now I always run Linux, and I'm a big fan, but you must admit it's easier to convert people who only need a word processor than those used to playing all the latest games on their SLI Windows boxen).
Secondly, they haven't really gotten used to Windows, so "I have to look through the menus to find things rather than pressing the shortcut I'm used to" is the default state of affairs for them.So yeah, don't underestimate the power of normal users :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875861</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Hel Toupee</author>
	<datestamp>1256588220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ISO's don't come with stickers.  I need my Ubuntu stickers, dammit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ISO 's do n't come with stickers .
I need my Ubuntu stickers , dammit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ISO's don't come with stickers.
I need my Ubuntu stickers, dammit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29996626</id>
	<title>Re:Why not start a donation fund for these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257445260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with this, several options</p><p>1.  I would be happy to cover cost of postage,  and a few &pound; to cover the cd,  but &pound;5 +</p><p>2. Perhaps they could also give a copy away free when you buy stuff from the store,  as another option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with this , several options1 .
I would be happy to cover cost of postage , and a few   to cover the cd , but   5 + 2 .
Perhaps they could also give a copy away free when you buy stuff from the store , as another option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with this, several options1.
I would be happy to cover cost of postage,  and a few £ to cover the cd,  but £5 +2.
Perhaps they could also give a copy away free when you buy stuff from the store,  as another option.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879527</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>yurtinus</author>
	<datestamp>1256563860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I've learned one thing from Stargate SG1, it's that making any sort of self replicating machine always ends up badly.
<br> <br>
Friends don't let friends develop Von Neumman machines!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 've learned one thing from Stargate SG1 , it 's that making any sort of self replicating machine always ends up badly .
Friends do n't let friends develop Von Neumman machines !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I've learned one thing from Stargate SG1, it's that making any sort of self replicating machine always ends up badly.
Friends don't let friends develop Von Neumman machines!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880619</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256576040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness.</p></div><p>And the next big obstacle is people like you.  As soon as you use words like "Windoze" and the abbreviation "M$", people instantly know your a Linux faggot and don't really want to hear anymore about your alternative Operating System (or lifestyle).  Seriously, grow the fuck up.  You'd be amazed by the results.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of ubuntu 's ( and Linux in general ) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness.And the next big obstacle is people like you .
As soon as you use words like " Windoze " and the abbreviation " M $ " , people instantly know your a Linux faggot and do n't really want to hear anymore about your alternative Operating System ( or lifestyle ) .
Seriously , grow the fuck up .
You 'd be amazed by the results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness.And the next big obstacle is people like you.
As soon as you use words like "Windoze" and the abbreviation "M$", people instantly know your a Linux faggot and don't really want to hear anymore about your alternative Operating System (or lifestyle).
Seriously, grow the fuck up.
You'd be amazed by the results.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875735</id>
	<title>People go crazy for free stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's like their brains snap and they take stuff that they didn't want or need until it became free.  If Canonical charged 10 cents per cd the problem would be solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like their brains snap and they take stuff that they did n't want or need until it became free .
If Canonical charged 10 cents per cd the problem would be solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like their brains snap and they take stuff that they didn't want or need until it became free.
If Canonical charged 10 cents per cd the problem would be solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875519</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1256586540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two hours? It's just a CD isn't it? That takes 18 minutes on my slow connection here. Tops.</p><p>*raises his share ratio to 94\% of upload rate* Here, I hope that helps.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two hours ?
It 's just a CD is n't it ?
That takes 18 minutes on my slow connection here .
Tops. * raises his share ratio to 94 \ % of upload rate * Here , I hope that helps .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two hours?
It's just a CD isn't it?
That takes 18 minutes on my slow connection here.
Tops.*raises his share ratio to 94\% of upload rate* Here, I hope that helps.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877137</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>jcupitt65</author>
	<datestamp>1256550480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
What a good idea. Maybe you should post it on <a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/" title="ubuntu.com">http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/</a> [ubuntu.com]? There's a "submit your idea" link.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a good idea .
Maybe you should post it on http : //brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ [ ubuntu.com ] ?
There 's a " submit your idea " link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
What a good idea.
Maybe you should post it on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ [ubuntu.com]?
There's a "submit your idea" link.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875185</id>
	<title>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release.<br>There's half-a-dozen mainstream news sources that are mentioning Ubuntu in their coverage of Win7, some are even holding it above MS's OS</p><p>Eg.<br><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/kellner-linux-hits-user-nerve/" title="washingtontimes.com">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/kellner-linux-hits-user-nerve/</a> [washingtontimes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time , riding off the Win7 release.There 's half-a-dozen mainstream news sources that are mentioning Ubuntu in their coverage of Win7 , some are even holding it above MS 's OSEg.http : //www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/kellner-linux-hits-user-nerve/ [ washingtontimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time, riding off the Win7 release.There's half-a-dozen mainstream news sources that are mentioning Ubuntu in their coverage of Win7, some are even holding it above MS's OSEg.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/kellner-linux-hits-user-nerve/ [washingtontimes.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877591</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1256552340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Hey, I just got 9.04 working well on my laptop.  (The secret:  "sudo apt-get remove tracker".  It's like having a computer again!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I just got 9.04 working well on my laptop .
( The secret : " sudo apt-get remove tracker " .
It 's like having a computer again !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Hey, I just got 9.04 working well on my laptop.
(The secret:  "sudo apt-get remove tracker".
It's like having a computer again!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29888163</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1256677080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.</p></div><p>It was intended more for those with a download limit, or for stores to give away (I've seen these free CDs in computer stores before).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it was handy for people that could n't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.It was intended more for those with a download limit , or for stores to give away ( I 've seen these free CDs in computer stores before ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it was handy for people that couldn't burn ISOs like most windows users untill they installed an ISO burning program.It was intended more for those with a download limit, or for stores to give away (I've seen these free CDs in computer stores before).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879795</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1256566260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the record, both Vista and Win7 ship with memory testing software on the disc as well. You can also put it on the hard drive and launch it from the boot menu. It's just that (like on the average Linux install) nobody runs it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the record , both Vista and Win7 ship with memory testing software on the disc as well .
You can also put it on the hard drive and launch it from the boot menu .
It 's just that ( like on the average Linux install ) nobody runs it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the record, both Vista and Win7 ship with memory testing software on the disc as well.
You can also put it on the hard drive and launch it from the boot menu.
It's just that (like on the average Linux install) nobody runs it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877239</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1256550900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it's as if no other O/S exists</i> </p><p>The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.</p><p>Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use.</p><p> The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support. He doesn't need to google for a solution. He doesn't need his son-in-law.</p><p>The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.</p><p>The FOSS app for Windows is already there. There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.</p><p>By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the "free" OS is a trivial discount at best. The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.</p><p>Most users want the OS to recede into the background. To be undemanding of their attention as possible.</p><p>That is why geek memes like "Windoze" work to Microsoft's advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it 's as if no other O/S exists The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use .
The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support .
He does n't need to google for a solution .
He does n't need his son-in-law.The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.The FOSS app for Windows is already there .
There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the " free " OS is a trivial discount at best .
The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.Most users want the OS to recede into the background .
To be undemanding of their attention as possible.That is why geek memes like " Windoze " work to Microsoft 's advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it's as if no other O/S exists The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use.
The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support.
He doesn't need to google for a solution.
He doesn't need his son-in-law.The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.The FOSS app for Windows is already there.
There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the "free" OS is a trivial discount at best.
The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.Most users want the OS to recede into the background.
To be undemanding of their attention as possible.That is why geek memes like "Windoze" work to Microsoft's advantage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881023</id>
	<title>What would be nice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256582100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..is if Ubuntu had a version just for starting out that was small enough to download reasonably over dialup. Damn Small Linux and so on various "minis" put out a functional 50 meg distro, so why can't ubuntu put out an "ubuntu ultralite" ISO download version of similar size (code named "shriveled shrew" or "horny hamster"), then people could add to what apps they want on their own time when it is handy for them.</p><p>
&nbsp; 50 megs or so on dialup is tolerable, set it going when you go to bed, get up, probably done or close to it. Of course they would need to be smart enough to include dialup internet connection software, the wvdial with the gui front end, and not just the ethernet.....</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I know up until this year I was on dialup, I never even THOUGHT about downloading a full CD or even worse, a full DVD ISO like Fedora or anything, that's just too nuts. When you are downloading on dialup that about sucks up your bandwith and you can't do much at all while it is progressing (rural dialup is NOT 56k, it is more like 28.8 on a good day, complete with interruptions), so a full week or more to download a full Cd worth? No way. I always ordered linux ISOs except for the minis from a linux ISO reburner service or I got a copy from canonical free.</p><p>
&nbsp; I'd pay two-three bucks for ONE copy of the full sized version mailed in a plain sleeve to save them cash just like the reburner services offer (it might make them a dollar then as well, fair enough, if it was shipped from inside the US), but have no need for five at a minimum (according to the article their option from downloading) for 20 bucks plus shipping from way overseas someplace or whatever the currency conversion rate is today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..is if Ubuntu had a version just for starting out that was small enough to download reasonably over dialup .
Damn Small Linux and so on various " minis " put out a functional 50 meg distro , so why ca n't ubuntu put out an " ubuntu ultralite " ISO download version of similar size ( code named " shriveled shrew " or " horny hamster " ) , then people could add to what apps they want on their own time when it is handy for them .
  50 megs or so on dialup is tolerable , set it going when you go to bed , get up , probably done or close to it .
Of course they would need to be smart enough to include dialup internet connection software , the wvdial with the gui front end , and not just the ethernet.... .       I know up until this year I was on dialup , I never even THOUGHT about downloading a full CD or even worse , a full DVD ISO like Fedora or anything , that 's just too nuts .
When you are downloading on dialup that about sucks up your bandwith and you ca n't do much at all while it is progressing ( rural dialup is NOT 56k , it is more like 28.8 on a good day , complete with interruptions ) , so a full week or more to download a full Cd worth ?
No way .
I always ordered linux ISOs except for the minis from a linux ISO reburner service or I got a copy from canonical free .
  I 'd pay two-three bucks for ONE copy of the full sized version mailed in a plain sleeve to save them cash just like the reburner services offer ( it might make them a dollar then as well , fair enough , if it was shipped from inside the US ) , but have no need for five at a minimum ( according to the article their option from downloading ) for 20 bucks plus shipping from way overseas someplace or whatever the currency conversion rate is today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..is if Ubuntu had a version just for starting out that was small enough to download reasonably over dialup.
Damn Small Linux and so on various "minis" put out a functional 50 meg distro, so why can't ubuntu put out an "ubuntu ultralite" ISO download version of similar size (code named "shriveled shrew" or "horny hamster"), then people could add to what apps they want on their own time when it is handy for them.
  50 megs or so on dialup is tolerable, set it going when you go to bed, get up, probably done or close to it.
Of course they would need to be smart enough to include dialup internet connection software, the wvdial with the gui front end, and not just the ethernet.....
      I know up until this year I was on dialup, I never even THOUGHT about downloading a full CD or even worse, a full DVD ISO like Fedora or anything, that's just too nuts.
When you are downloading on dialup that about sucks up your bandwith and you can't do much at all while it is progressing (rural dialup is NOT 56k, it is more like 28.8 on a good day, complete with interruptions), so a full week or more to download a full Cd worth?
No way.
I always ordered linux ISOs except for the minis from a linux ISO reburner service or I got a copy from canonical free.
  I'd pay two-three bucks for ONE copy of the full sized version mailed in a plain sleeve to save them cash just like the reburner services offer (it might make them a dollar then as well, fair enough, if it was shipped from inside the US), but have no need for five at a minimum (according to the article their option from downloading) for 20 bucks plus shipping from way overseas someplace or whatever the currency conversion rate is today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876767</id>
	<title>It was also handy</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1256549160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was also good for those that wanted an actual pressed copy for archival reasons. And when they offered more then one, it was great to give out to libraries and such. Even if you want to foot the bill, just try dropping off a pack of CDr's with 'kubuntu' written in a sharpie and see how well that works out for you.</p><p>Marketing shouldn't be discounted so lightly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was also good for those that wanted an actual pressed copy for archival reasons .
And when they offered more then one , it was great to give out to libraries and such .
Even if you want to foot the bill , just try dropping off a pack of CDr 's with 'kubuntu ' written in a sharpie and see how well that works out for you.Marketing should n't be discounted so lightly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was also good for those that wanted an actual pressed copy for archival reasons.
And when they offered more then one, it was great to give out to libraries and such.
Even if you want to foot the bill, just try dropping off a pack of CDr's with 'kubuntu' written in a sharpie and see how well that works out for you.Marketing shouldn't be discounted so lightly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878443</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1256556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got several copies the first time they offered them. None of them would boot. I informed them of this and they asked me to do all the bug reporting crap, but never sent me any more copies, so I gave up. I download all my ISOs these days, and Ubuntu isn't among them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got several copies the first time they offered them .
None of them would boot .
I informed them of this and they asked me to do all the bug reporting crap , but never sent me any more copies , so I gave up .
I download all my ISOs these days , and Ubuntu is n't among them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got several copies the first time they offered them.
None of them would boot.
I informed them of this and they asked me to do all the bug reporting crap, but never sent me any more copies, so I gave up.
I download all my ISOs these days, and Ubuntu isn't among them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883829</id>
	<title>Free, as in philanthropy?</title>
	<author>grikdog</author>
	<datestamp>1256658360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download" title="ubuntu.com">http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download</a> [ubuntu.com] <br>
<a href="http://releases.ubuntu.com/" title="ubuntu.com">http://releases.ubuntu.com/</a> [ubuntu.com] <br>
<br>
My only question is, who's out of a job where because Canonical has decided to pinch off a few budding livelihoods?  You could ship the whole operation to Nauru and give 15,000 dead broke former potash farmers something to live for.
<br>
Canonical had lots of competition, including Red Hat and Slackware, that I've used and enjoyed.  I went with Canonical's Ubuntu because of the mystical, up-with-people vibe.  Disappointing news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [ ubuntu.com ] http : //releases.ubuntu.com/ [ ubuntu.com ] My only question is , who 's out of a job where because Canonical has decided to pinch off a few budding livelihoods ?
You could ship the whole operation to Nauru and give 15,000 dead broke former potash farmers something to live for .
Canonical had lots of competition , including Red Hat and Slackware , that I 've used and enjoyed .
I went with Canonical 's Ubuntu because of the mystical , up-with-people vibe .
Disappointing news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [ubuntu.com] 
http://releases.ubuntu.com/ [ubuntu.com] 

My only question is, who's out of a job where because Canonical has decided to pinch off a few budding livelihoods?
You could ship the whole operation to Nauru and give 15,000 dead broke former potash farmers something to live for.
Canonical had lots of competition, including Red Hat and Slackware, that I've used and enjoyed.
I went with Canonical's Ubuntu because of the mystical, up-with-people vibe.
Disappointing news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875987</id>
	<title>Re:Remember kids...Canonical is a private company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256588820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, they're not a non-profit. Free-software companies are allowed to make money. Choosing to charge a nominal fee for something rather than give it away is not evil.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , they 're not a non-profit .
Free-software companies are allowed to make money .
Choosing to charge a nominal fee for something rather than give it away is not evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, they're not a non-profit.
Free-software companies are allowed to make money.
Choosing to charge a nominal fee for something rather than give it away is not evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882775</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1256652660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.</i></p><p>This is true.</p><p><i>Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use.</i></p><p>This is not true. Look at "Vista Capable."</p><p><i>The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support. He doesn't need to google for a solution. He doesn't need his son-in-law.</i></p><p>This is also not true. It's true that this is the popular perception, but it's not true.</p><p><i>The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.</i></p><p>This is true.</p><p><i>The FOSS app for Windows is already there. There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.</i></p><p>This is not true in any meaningful sense. Try it yourself. Search for "Free CD burner Windows XP." You get pages of garbage. Yes, the application exists, but users are never going to find it. OTOH, no one needs to search for "Free CD burner Ubuntu," because it's already installed.</p><p><i>By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the "free" OS is a trivial discount at best.</i></p><p>This is not remotely true. Are you aware of the retail cost of Windows 7?</p><p><i>The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.</i></p><p>I can see how this may be true.</p><p><i>Most users want the OS to recede into the background. To be undemanding of their attention as possible.</i></p><p>This is true, but is in no way a plus in the Microsoft column. Windows continues to be the neediest and most demanding system on the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.This is true.Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use.This is not true .
Look at " Vista Capable .
" The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support .
He does n't need to google for a solution .
He does n't need his son-in-law.This is also not true .
It 's true that this is the popular perception , but it 's not true.The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.This is true.The FOSS app for Windows is already there .
There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.This is not true in any meaningful sense .
Try it yourself .
Search for " Free CD burner Windows XP .
" You get pages of garbage .
Yes , the application exists , but users are never going to find it .
OTOH , no one needs to search for " Free CD burner Ubuntu , " because it 's already installed.By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the " free " OS is a trivial discount at best.This is not remotely true .
Are you aware of the retail cost of Windows 7 ? The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.I can see how this may be true.Most users want the OS to recede into the background .
To be undemanding of their attention as possible.This is true , but is in no way a plus in the Microsoft column .
Windows continues to be the neediest and most demanding system on the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for the better part of thirty years.This is true.Hardware and software ships as a factory-tested and generally well-balanced system for its intended - advertised - use.This is not true.
Look at "Vista Capable.
"The buyer has a warranty - the toll-free number for support.
He doesn't need to google for a solution.
He doesn't need his son-in-law.This is also not true.
It's true that this is the popular perception, but it's not true.The DIY Linux OS install is never going to happen in numbers which matter.This is true.The FOSS app for Windows is already there.
There is almost nothing of interest in the home and SOHO markets that is uniquely or distinctly Linux.This is not true in any meaningful sense.
Try it yourself.
Search for "Free CD burner Windows XP.
" You get pages of garbage.
Yes, the application exists, but users are never going to find it.
OTOH, no one needs to search for "Free CD burner Ubuntu," because it's already installed.By the time the Linux product hits the retail shelves - with licensed media play and other essentials - the "free" OS is a trivial discount at best.This is not remotely true.
Are you aware of the retail cost of Windows 7?The retailer needs more to justify maintaining a dual inventory and support structure.I can see how this may be true.Most users want the OS to recede into the background.
To be undemanding of their attention as possible.This is true, but is in no way a plus in the Microsoft column.
Windows continues to be the neediest and most demanding system on the market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875397</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Debian, while fun and probably worth the struggle, does need some minor tweaking compared to Ubuntu. I mean, the whole point of Ubuntu is to give the user a desktop-oriented, stabilized Debian Unstable.<br> <br>I've been using Ubuntu 9.10's prerelease for about a month or so and it's been so stable I have no desire to go distro hunting again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Debian , while fun and probably worth the struggle , does need some minor tweaking compared to Ubuntu .
I mean , the whole point of Ubuntu is to give the user a desktop-oriented , stabilized Debian Unstable .
I 've been using Ubuntu 9.10 's prerelease for about a month or so and it 's been so stable I have no desire to go distro hunting again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Debian, while fun and probably worth the struggle, does need some minor tweaking compared to Ubuntu.
I mean, the whole point of Ubuntu is to give the user a desktop-oriented, stabilized Debian Unstable.
I've been using Ubuntu 9.10's prerelease for about a month or so and it's been so stable I have no desire to go distro hunting again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875465</id>
	<title>Re:Probably people abusing the system</title>
	<author>kraemate</author>
	<datestamp>1256586240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stopping the shipping of free CDs is a long overdue but unfortunate move.</p><p>CDs were absolutely the only way to obtain a linux distro for me, and canonical's generous free shipping saved me(and countless others in 3rd world countries) by providing the discs.</p><p>However i have seen enough rampant abuse of this, so much so that i would rather see a few thousand people unable to use linux because they cannot obtain CDs than canonical shutting down because of the greedy unscrupulous jerks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopping the shipping of free CDs is a long overdue but unfortunate move.CDs were absolutely the only way to obtain a linux distro for me , and canonical 's generous free shipping saved me ( and countless others in 3rd world countries ) by providing the discs.However i have seen enough rampant abuse of this , so much so that i would rather see a few thousand people unable to use linux because they can not obtain CDs than canonical shutting down because of the greedy unscrupulous jerks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopping the shipping of free CDs is a long overdue but unfortunate move.CDs were absolutely the only way to obtain a linux distro for me, and canonical's generous free shipping saved me(and countless others in 3rd world countries) by providing the discs.However i have seen enough rampant abuse of this, so much so that i would rather see a few thousand people unable to use linux because they cannot obtain CDs than canonical shutting down because of the greedy unscrupulous jerks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875885</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1256588340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.</p></div><p>Did you miss the part of the summary that said first-time users could still get free CDs? I would suspect that even the average moron could figure out how to burn a disc, or at least get instructions from someone on IRC or the wiki or forums, after using Ubuntu for 6 months.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.Did you miss the part of the summary that said first-time users could still get free CDs ?
I would suspect that even the average moron could figure out how to burn a disc , or at least get instructions from someone on IRC or the wiki or forums , after using Ubuntu for 6 months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.Did you miss the part of the summary that said first-time users could still get free CDs?
I would suspect that even the average moron could figure out how to burn a disc, or at least get instructions from someone on IRC or the wiki or forums, after using Ubuntu for 6 months.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880381</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1256572980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is about Ubuntu, it's Linux for Humans which often includes morons.</p></div><p> Windows, it's the perfect decoration for your home! Permanently closed [source], with a well-defined interface for everybody who does not need to interact with the Windows close to the mechanism. </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs. Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.</p></div><p> s/moron/new user/ If you are going to insult your new disciples before they have a chance to learn, they will be morons, and morons against you. Everybody who has used the GUI only for the last 15 years is going to have FUD with the command line. Everybody who has thought the computer was IE on hardware with PMS (just because they do not know how to caress the box) is going to have difficulty getting to terms with the new environment. How are you going to woo people if you spit on them? </p><p>To address the problem of free CDs would be teaching new users to burn their own with step-by-step instructions. I think a person who has interest in free CDs that take a considerable time to be shipped will have enough interest to burn the discs themselves should they know how, and if they have spare discs at hand. Similarly, a person who wants to distribute CDs to their friends can burn hir own. The problem here is not the technical capability of the users, but the logistics of buying and keeping inventory of the number of discs you have. It is inconvenient. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is about Ubuntu , it 's Linux for Humans which often includes morons .
Windows , it 's the perfect decoration for your home !
Permanently closed [ source ] , with a well-defined interface for everybody who does not need to interact with the Windows close to the mechanism .
Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs .
Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof .
s/moron/new user/ If you are going to insult your new disciples before they have a chance to learn , they will be morons , and morons against you .
Everybody who has used the GUI only for the last 15 years is going to have FUD with the command line .
Everybody who has thought the computer was IE on hardware with PMS ( just because they do not know how to caress the box ) is going to have difficulty getting to terms with the new environment .
How are you going to woo people if you spit on them ?
To address the problem of free CDs would be teaching new users to burn their own with step-by-step instructions .
I think a person who has interest in free CDs that take a considerable time to be shipped will have enough interest to burn the discs themselves should they know how , and if they have spare discs at hand .
Similarly , a person who wants to distribute CDs to their friends can burn hir own .
The problem here is not the technical capability of the users , but the logistics of buying and keeping inventory of the number of discs you have .
It is inconvenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is about Ubuntu, it's Linux for Humans which often includes morons.
Windows, it's the perfect decoration for your home!
Permanently closed [source], with a well-defined interface for everybody who does not need to interact with the Windows close to the mechanism.
Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.
Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.
s/moron/new user/ If you are going to insult your new disciples before they have a chance to learn, they will be morons, and morons against you.
Everybody who has used the GUI only for the last 15 years is going to have FUD with the command line.
Everybody who has thought the computer was IE on hardware with PMS (just because they do not know how to caress the box) is going to have difficulty getting to terms with the new environment.
How are you going to woo people if you spit on them?
To address the problem of free CDs would be teaching new users to burn their own with step-by-step instructions.
I think a person who has interest in free CDs that take a considerable time to be shipped will have enough interest to burn the discs themselves should they know how, and if they have spare discs at hand.
Similarly, a person who wants to distribute CDs to their friends can burn hir own.
The problem here is not the technical capability of the users, but the logistics of buying and keeping inventory of the number of discs you have.
It is inconvenient. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875489</id>
	<title>Offer some Value added options</title>
	<author>PYRILAMPES</author>
	<datestamp>1256586420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Keep the free cdrom thing, add some flyers for Open Source companies or others who would pay for the advertising.(Windows emulators?)
Then
Sell an upgraded USB drive that looks like a Penquin for 5$ plus 10 dollars shipping and handling.
Offer a support contract accessible from a shortcut on the desktop, and Bing! you have a profit from the loss!  No one will want the free cdrom if they could have a penquin USB drive! Bait and Switch!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep the free cdrom thing , add some flyers for Open Source companies or others who would pay for the advertising .
( Windows emulators ?
) Then Sell an upgraded USB drive that looks like a Penquin for 5 $ plus 10 dollars shipping and handling .
Offer a support contract accessible from a shortcut on the desktop , and Bing !
you have a profit from the loss !
No one will want the free cdrom if they could have a penquin USB drive !
Bait and Switch !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep the free cdrom thing, add some flyers for Open Source companies or others who would pay for the advertising.
(Windows emulators?
)
Then
Sell an upgraded USB drive that looks like a Penquin for 5$ plus 10 dollars shipping and handling.
Offer a support contract accessible from a shortcut on the desktop, and Bing!
you have a profit from the loss!
No one will want the free cdrom if they could have a penquin USB drive!
Bait and Switch!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876309</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>dAzED1</author>
	<datestamp>1256590500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or, alternatively, people who lived in rural areas and who didn't have nearby high-speed internet access.  It doesn't have to indicate some sort of insufficiently-technical person.  Just how...difficult...do you think Ubuntu is to use as a desktop anyway?</p><p>At this point, it's far more useful to people who do events where they teach Ubuntu usage and hand out the free CDs.  I've been in a couple groups in the past that would get boxes of the ubuntu cds, and then hand them out at such events.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or , alternatively , people who lived in rural areas and who did n't have nearby high-speed internet access .
It does n't have to indicate some sort of insufficiently-technical person .
Just how...difficult...do you think Ubuntu is to use as a desktop anyway ? At this point , it 's far more useful to people who do events where they teach Ubuntu usage and hand out the free CDs .
I 've been in a couple groups in the past that would get boxes of the ubuntu cds , and then hand them out at such events .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or, alternatively, people who lived in rural areas and who didn't have nearby high-speed internet access.
It doesn't have to indicate some sort of insufficiently-technical person.
Just how...difficult...do you think Ubuntu is to use as a desktop anyway?At this point, it's far more useful to people who do events where they teach Ubuntu usage and hand out the free CDs.
I've been in a couple groups in the past that would get boxes of the ubuntu cds, and then hand them out at such events.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875401</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1256585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sending the CD via post might be good for those on really bad internet connections or with transfer limits that might want to try it out.</p><p>Otherwise the 4-6 weeks wait most likely makes other people to just download or torrent ISO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sending the CD via post might be good for those on really bad internet connections or with transfer limits that might want to try it out.Otherwise the 4-6 weeks wait most likely makes other people to just download or torrent ISO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sending the CD via post might be good for those on really bad internet connections or with transfer limits that might want to try it out.Otherwise the 4-6 weeks wait most likely makes other people to just download or torrent ISO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875359</id>
	<title>Why not start a donation fund for these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would think they'd have some success starting a fund people can optionally donate a few bucks to, to help offset shipping and production costs on the free CDs they send out.  Then simply tell people that if the fund runs dry, shipping of CDs gets halted until more donations are made.</p><p>I suspect the majority of people requesting the free CD are doing so because they're in a situation where downloading and burning the ISO image is too troublesome (limited bandwidth like some corporations have, or someone using satellite broadband where they have a transfer cap before getting charged per K downloaded, etc.).  Asking them to kick a few dollars back into the fund after they install and start using the product doesn't seem like a big deal.</p><p>Obviously, it'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a "one copy per mailing address, per release" rule....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think they 'd have some success starting a fund people can optionally donate a few bucks to , to help offset shipping and production costs on the free CDs they send out .
Then simply tell people that if the fund runs dry , shipping of CDs gets halted until more donations are made.I suspect the majority of people requesting the free CD are doing so because they 're in a situation where downloading and burning the ISO image is too troublesome ( limited bandwidth like some corporations have , or someone using satellite broadband where they have a transfer cap before getting charged per K downloaded , etc. ) .
Asking them to kick a few dollars back into the fund after they install and start using the product does n't seem like a big deal.Obviously , it 'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a " one copy per mailing address , per release " rule... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think they'd have some success starting a fund people can optionally donate a few bucks to, to help offset shipping and production costs on the free CDs they send out.
Then simply tell people that if the fund runs dry, shipping of CDs gets halted until more donations are made.I suspect the majority of people requesting the free CD are doing so because they're in a situation where downloading and burning the ISO image is too troublesome (limited bandwidth like some corporations have, or someone using satellite broadband where they have a transfer cap before getting charged per K downloaded, etc.).
Asking them to kick a few dollars back into the fund after they install and start using the product doesn't seem like a big deal.Obviously, it'd still be a good idea to track addresses and enforce a "one copy per mailing address, per release" rule....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875499</id>
	<title>Make available via outloets like Netflicks?</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1256586420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I sent a suggestion that Canonical make their CDs/DVDs available through outlets like Netflicks for people that want physical media to install, but don't need it to keep (or to burn their own copy).  Let those for-pay outlets take care of media distribution and return via their established infrastructures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I sent a suggestion that Canonical make their CDs/DVDs available through outlets like Netflicks for people that want physical media to install , but do n't need it to keep ( or to burn their own copy ) .
Let those for-pay outlets take care of media distribution and return via their established infrastructures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sent a suggestion that Canonical make their CDs/DVDs available through outlets like Netflicks for people that want physical media to install, but don't need it to keep (or to burn their own copy).
Let those for-pay outlets take care of media distribution and return via their established infrastructures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876319</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256590500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows burns isos...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows burns isos.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows burns isos...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876147</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1256589540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, it is impossible to get something in stores without charging for it. Because the stores will surely charge you for the privilege of having anything in there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , it is impossible to get something in stores without charging for it .
Because the stores will surely charge you for the privilege of having anything in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, it is impossible to get something in stores without charging for it.
Because the stores will surely charge you for the privilege of having anything in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875437</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You damn pirates think you get can everything for free, even things that are free to begin with!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You damn pirates think you get can everything for free , even things that are free to begin with !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You damn pirates think you get can everything for free, even things that are free to begin with!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875345</id>
	<title>Re:Oh no.</title>
	<author>txwikinger-slashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1256585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well.. You can come by one of those many Linux Fests, Linux conventions etc. Chances are good that some Ubuntu members will be handing out CDs there, and you will meet a lot of other like minded people and lots of awesome presentations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well.. You can come by one of those many Linux Fests , Linux conventions etc .
Chances are good that some Ubuntu members will be handing out CDs there , and you will meet a lot of other like minded people and lots of awesome presentations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well.. You can come by one of those many Linux Fests, Linux conventions etc.
Chances are good that some Ubuntu members will be handing out CDs there, and you will meet a lot of other like minded people and lots of awesome presentations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883071</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1256654460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be willing to pay 20$ to send to my boss a brochure and a professional looking Ubuntu CD for him to try.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be willing to pay 20 $ to send to my boss a brochure and a professional looking Ubuntu CD for him to try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be willing to pay 20$ to send to my boss a brochure and a professional looking Ubuntu CD for him to try.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876975</id>
	<title>Re:Oh no.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256549880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just go to any reasonably sized college campus and you can usually find the local Christian youth groups giving out DVDs of exciting fare like "ISLAM, What the West Needs to Know" and pick up a few - these also tend to come in nice packaging, giving you something in which to store your disks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just go to any reasonably sized college campus and you can usually find the local Christian youth groups giving out DVDs of exciting fare like " ISLAM , What the West Needs to Know " and pick up a few - these also tend to come in nice packaging , giving you something in which to store your disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just go to any reasonably sized college campus and you can usually find the local Christian youth groups giving out DVDs of exciting fare like "ISLAM, What the West Needs to Know" and pick up a few - these also tend to come in nice packaging, giving you something in which to store your disks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875411</id>
	<title>Ubuntu CD's</title>
	<author>uneek</author>
	<datestamp>1256586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would happily buy them from Amazon, if Amazon had up to date Ubuntu CD's.   Its especially useful when you need a DVD and don't want to wait</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would happily buy them from Amazon , if Amazon had up to date Ubuntu CD 's .
Its especially useful when you need a DVD and do n't want to wait</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would happily buy them from Amazon, if Amazon had up to date Ubuntu CD's.
Its especially useful when you need a DVD and don't want to wait</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879191</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1256561400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were never for you.  They were for people to give away.</p><p>I used to get packs of 10 or more at a time and used them to introduce people to linux in a "commercial way" I converted many at work this way.</p><p>Sad that they are ending it because of assbags not using it right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were never for you .
They were for people to give away.I used to get packs of 10 or more at a time and used them to introduce people to linux in a " commercial way " I converted many at work this way.Sad that they are ending it because of assbags not using it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were never for you.
They were for people to give away.I used to get packs of 10 or more at a time and used them to introduce people to linux in a "commercial way" I converted many at work this way.Sad that they are ending it because of assbags not using it right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875607</id>
	<title>plus 4, Tr0l7)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">number of FrexeBSD</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>number of FrexeBSD [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>number of FrexeBSD [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875599</id>
	<title>Use Netflix for distribution</title>
	<author>joshhighley</author>
	<datestamp>1256587020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it'd be possible to keep evil-doers from replacing the disks, Linux distros should work with Netflix to distribute ('rent') their install DVDs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 'd be possible to keep evil-doers from replacing the disks , Linux distros should work with Netflix to distribute ( 'rent ' ) their install DVDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it'd be possible to keep evil-doers from replacing the disks, Linux distros should work with Netflix to distribute ('rent') their install DVDs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29940749</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257078720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is quite understandable, the stores need to pay rent and running costs for their shops and don't want to use up valuable shelf space for something that isn't going to make them money. So anything free has to either be paid for by the people who want it their, or it needs to increase sales of other items.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is quite understandable , the stores need to pay rent and running costs for their shops and do n't want to use up valuable shelf space for something that is n't going to make them money .
So anything free has to either be paid for by the people who want it their , or it needs to increase sales of other items .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is quite understandable, the stores need to pay rent and running costs for their shops and don't want to use up valuable shelf space for something that isn't going to make them money.
So anything free has to either be paid for by the people who want it their, or it needs to increase sales of other items.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876147</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880945</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256580660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Title a Craigslist ad for Ubuntu as a "free upgrade for Windows users", and people like me will immediately hit Flag (Prohibited) to indicate the ad as violating the terms of service.</p><p>Ubuntu is clearly a free *alternative* to Windows. You can't claim *upgrade* unless Ubuntu has more features than Windows, has more hardware support than Windows, and runs the same applications and then some vs. Windows. (Hint: running alternative applications but not the exact same applications as Windows is already a fail).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Title a Craigslist ad for Ubuntu as a " free upgrade for Windows users " , and people like me will immediately hit Flag ( Prohibited ) to indicate the ad as violating the terms of service.Ubuntu is clearly a free * alternative * to Windows .
You ca n't claim * upgrade * unless Ubuntu has more features than Windows , has more hardware support than Windows , and runs the same applications and then some vs. Windows. ( Hint : running alternative applications but not the exact same applications as Windows is already a fail ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Title a Craigslist ad for Ubuntu as a "free upgrade for Windows users", and people like me will immediately hit Flag (Prohibited) to indicate the ad as violating the terms of service.Ubuntu is clearly a free *alternative* to Windows.
You can't claim *upgrade* unless Ubuntu has more features than Windows, has more hardware support than Windows, and runs the same applications and then some vs. Windows. (Hint: running alternative applications but not the exact same applications as Windows is already a fail).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880639</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1256576280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But does it run on Linux?</p><p>Seriously, I had very hard time trying NOT to create CD when upgrading Grub multiboot Ubuntu to 9.04. Problem was that Grub would not boot from the ISO image (dd'd into empty partition).</p><p>Actually I gave up, I installed a CD-ROM drive and burned a disk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But does it run on Linux ? Seriously , I had very hard time trying NOT to create CD when upgrading Grub multiboot Ubuntu to 9.04 .
Problem was that Grub would not boot from the ISO image ( dd 'd into empty partition ) .Actually I gave up , I installed a CD-ROM drive and burned a disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does it run on Linux?Seriously, I had very hard time trying NOT to create CD when upgrading Grub multiboot Ubuntu to 9.04.
Problem was that Grub would not boot from the ISO image (dd'd into empty partition).Actually I gave up, I installed a CD-ROM drive and burned a disk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876685</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875219</id>
	<title>Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before Ubuntu I was a Debian user.  I switched to Ubuntu when it was available because I liked the idea of regular stable snapshots from the Unstable Debian branch.</p><p>However, lately I have been getting annoyed with some of the stuff they are doing so I'm thinking of switching back to Debian.  I'm unsure though.  Whatever OS I run, I run to get work done, not to tweak or play around with crap (I got enough of that in the early 90's).  With that in mind Ubuntu makes sense because it's quickly becoming <em>the</em> standard Linux distro which makes it first to get support from software vendors.  So I'm torn on what to do.  What do you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before Ubuntu I was a Debian user .
I switched to Ubuntu when it was available because I liked the idea of regular stable snapshots from the Unstable Debian branch.However , lately I have been getting annoyed with some of the stuff they are doing so I 'm thinking of switching back to Debian .
I 'm unsure though .
Whatever OS I run , I run to get work done , not to tweak or play around with crap ( I got enough of that in the early 90 's ) .
With that in mind Ubuntu makes sense because it 's quickly becoming the standard Linux distro which makes it first to get support from software vendors .
So I 'm torn on what to do .
What do you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before Ubuntu I was a Debian user.
I switched to Ubuntu when it was available because I liked the idea of regular stable snapshots from the Unstable Debian branch.However, lately I have been getting annoyed with some of the stuff they are doing so I'm thinking of switching back to Debian.
I'm unsure though.
Whatever OS I run, I run to get work done, not to tweak or play around with crap (I got enough of that in the early 90's).
With that in mind Ubuntu makes sense because it's quickly becoming the standard Linux distro which makes it first to get support from software vendors.
So I'm torn on what to do.
What do you think?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876665</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1256548800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it. Gentoo offers the, by far, best community with detailed HOWTO's on almost anything. It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it'll be worth it.</p></div><p>I used to be a Gentoo user. The HOWTOs are overblown - in a proper distro you shouldn't need them in the first place, and even when you do, nothing stops you from using a Gentoo HOWTO on, say, Debian (at the point when you need one, handling minor differences between distros will be the least of your troubles).</p><p>The big problem with Gentoo in practice is the permanently semi-broken Portage. I've got sick of having a daily update run end up with a compile failure every second day. Don't even get me started on what happens when they decide to push a new major package version for something that's used by many packages out there.</p><p>I ran Gentoo for about 2 years before switching to Debian. The latter is really it for a geek who doesn't mind messing with config files - you get all the controls at your hands, and also the convenience of binary packages which install quickly. I've never got my system broken by updates either (even though I used "unstable") - in part because apt is quite a bit smarter about dependency breakages than Portage ever was, and I haven't ever seen any other kind of break in Debian repositories.</p><p>I moved to Ubuntu after another year, mostly because I figured I have better things to do with my time  than edit config files - and it still leaves me with the ability to do so, so not like I lose much. About the only thing annoying about Ubuntu was the fact that it was stuck at Eclipse 3.2 in repositories for a long time (with upstream 3 major releases ahead... that's not even funny). But 3.5 is finally in Karmic now.</p><p>As a side note, it's kinda sad that you still need to manually edit ~/.fonts.conf on Karmic to get Firefox to anti-alias text the way you want (since it doesn't pick hinting settings from Gnome, like every other Gtk app does).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it .
Gentoo offers the , by far , best community with detailed HOWTO 's on almost anything .
It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it 'll be worth it.I used to be a Gentoo user .
The HOWTOs are overblown - in a proper distro you should n't need them in the first place , and even when you do , nothing stops you from using a Gentoo HOWTO on , say , Debian ( at the point when you need one , handling minor differences between distros will be the least of your troubles ) .The big problem with Gentoo in practice is the permanently semi-broken Portage .
I 've got sick of having a daily update run end up with a compile failure every second day .
Do n't even get me started on what happens when they decide to push a new major package version for something that 's used by many packages out there.I ran Gentoo for about 2 years before switching to Debian .
The latter is really it for a geek who does n't mind messing with config files - you get all the controls at your hands , and also the convenience of binary packages which install quickly .
I 've never got my system broken by updates either ( even though I used " unstable " ) - in part because apt is quite a bit smarter about dependency breakages than Portage ever was , and I have n't ever seen any other kind of break in Debian repositories.I moved to Ubuntu after another year , mostly because I figured I have better things to do with my time than edit config files - and it still leaves me with the ability to do so , so not like I lose much .
About the only thing annoying about Ubuntu was the fact that it was stuck at Eclipse 3.2 in repositories for a long time ( with upstream 3 major releases ahead... that 's not even funny ) .
But 3.5 is finally in Karmic now.As a side note , it 's kinda sad that you still need to manually edit ~ /.fonts.conf on Karmic to get Firefox to anti-alias text the way you want ( since it does n't pick hinting settings from Gnome , like every other Gtk app does ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Gentoo -- if you have the patience for it.
Gentoo offers the, by far, best community with detailed HOWTO's on almost anything.
It takes a little reading and practice but once you get the hang of it it'll be worth it.I used to be a Gentoo user.
The HOWTOs are overblown - in a proper distro you shouldn't need them in the first place, and even when you do, nothing stops you from using a Gentoo HOWTO on, say, Debian (at the point when you need one, handling minor differences between distros will be the least of your troubles).The big problem with Gentoo in practice is the permanently semi-broken Portage.
I've got sick of having a daily update run end up with a compile failure every second day.
Don't even get me started on what happens when they decide to push a new major package version for something that's used by many packages out there.I ran Gentoo for about 2 years before switching to Debian.
The latter is really it for a geek who doesn't mind messing with config files - you get all the controls at your hands, and also the convenience of binary packages which install quickly.
I've never got my system broken by updates either (even though I used "unstable") - in part because apt is quite a bit smarter about dependency breakages than Portage ever was, and I haven't ever seen any other kind of break in Debian repositories.I moved to Ubuntu after another year, mostly because I figured I have better things to do with my time  than edit config files - and it still leaves me with the ability to do so, so not like I lose much.
About the only thing annoying about Ubuntu was the fact that it was stuck at Eclipse 3.2 in repositories for a long time (with upstream 3 major releases ahead... that's not even funny).
But 3.5 is finally in Karmic now.As a side note, it's kinda sad that you still need to manually edit ~/.fonts.conf on Karmic to get Firefox to anti-alias text the way you want (since it doesn't pick hinting settings from Gnome, like every other Gtk app does).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881449</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256676480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows Vista and Windows 7 have they own ISO burning tool. You only need to double click an ISO file and a DVD burning dialog appears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Vista and Windows 7 have they own ISO burning tool .
You only need to double click an ISO file and a DVD burning dialog appears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Vista and Windows 7 have they own ISO burning tool.
You only need to double click an ISO file and a DVD burning dialog appears.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875273</id>
	<title>Reasonable</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1256585460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is totally reasonable - after all, there are costs involved in sending out "free" disks and those costs can add up at a time when companies are feeling the pinch. More importantly, however, I think they should put a smidge of effort into developing a Windows and Mac client to make putting the installer on a CD or USB drive (or SD card) easier to encourage people to download and install with the equipment they already have. Just this weekend, I installed Ubuntu on my hackintosh (shhh, don't tell Apple) and the process was relatively painless because I'm a smart cookie and can figure a lot of things out with some google searching but I can easily see some people having absolutely no clue how to proceed and being turned off because of the difficulty in the process. If they offered a quick "Load Installer on CD/USB" program (would take some programmer, what, ten minutes to write something like that?..), I think they'd get a lot more people giving it a try.<br> <br>
Yes, I know it's easy for people that know computers but if people want casual users to give it a chance, they need to make it dead easy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is totally reasonable - after all , there are costs involved in sending out " free " disks and those costs can add up at a time when companies are feeling the pinch .
More importantly , however , I think they should put a smidge of effort into developing a Windows and Mac client to make putting the installer on a CD or USB drive ( or SD card ) easier to encourage people to download and install with the equipment they already have .
Just this weekend , I installed Ubuntu on my hackintosh ( shhh , do n't tell Apple ) and the process was relatively painless because I 'm a smart cookie and can figure a lot of things out with some google searching but I can easily see some people having absolutely no clue how to proceed and being turned off because of the difficulty in the process .
If they offered a quick " Load Installer on CD/USB " program ( would take some programmer , what , ten minutes to write something like that ? . .
) , I think they 'd get a lot more people giving it a try .
Yes , I know it 's easy for people that know computers but if people want casual users to give it a chance , they need to make it dead easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is totally reasonable - after all, there are costs involved in sending out "free" disks and those costs can add up at a time when companies are feeling the pinch.
More importantly, however, I think they should put a smidge of effort into developing a Windows and Mac client to make putting the installer on a CD or USB drive (or SD card) easier to encourage people to download and install with the equipment they already have.
Just this weekend, I installed Ubuntu on my hackintosh (shhh, don't tell Apple) and the process was relatively painless because I'm a smart cookie and can figure a lot of things out with some google searching but I can easily see some people having absolutely no clue how to proceed and being turned off because of the difficulty in the process.
If they offered a quick "Load Installer on CD/USB" program (would take some programmer, what, ten minutes to write something like that?..
), I think they'd get a lot more people giving it a try.
Yes, I know it's easy for people that know computers but if people want casual users to give it a chance, they need to make it dead easy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875539</id>
	<title>Re:Oh no.</title>
	<author>HamburglerJones</author>
	<datestamp>1256586660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm new to F/OSS.  Could someone please distinguish "free as in beer" and "free as in beer coaster" for me?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm new to F/OSS .
Could someone please distinguish " free as in beer " and " free as in beer coaster " for me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm new to F/OSS.
Could someone please distinguish "free as in beer" and "free as in beer coaster" for me?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875297</id>
	<title>Old news?</title>
	<author>sajuuk</author>
	<datestamp>1256585520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could have sworn they limited it 2 releases ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could have sworn they limited it 2 releases ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could have sworn they limited it 2 releases ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876029</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>sela</author>
	<datestamp>1256589060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, I would recommend Gentoo to this guy. After all, he did say:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Whatever OS I run, I run to get work done, not to tweak or play around with crap (I got enough of that in the early 90's).</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , I would recommend Gentoo to this guy .
After all , he did say : Whatever OS I run , I run to get work done , not to tweak or play around with crap ( I got enough of that in the early 90 's ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, I would recommend Gentoo to this guy.
After all, he did say:Whatever OS I run, I run to get work done, not to tweak or play around with crap (I got enough of that in the early 90's).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875395</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875785</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Jafafa Hots</author>
	<datestamp>1256587920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.</p></div><p>unlike windows?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.unlike windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.unlike windows?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882221</id>
	<title>This is insane</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1256648100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe that the average Linux Youth isn't given enough pocket money to be able to pick up a big spindle of blank CDs every now and then.  They're not that expensive, and since the introduction of DVDs, 700 mb CDs have become even less so, because they're now not the most popular format.</p><p>You guys should definitely be taking advantage of every free bit torrent tracking site on the planet, if you're not already, as well.  If you're worried about the isos of public torrents being hacked, host the appropriate md5/sha256 sums on Ubuntu's site, and tell people to check that, once they've downloaded the file from isohunt.</p><p>Of all the problems I could see Ubuntu potentially having, distribution logistics should *not* be one of them, with the Internet.</p><p>Hell, tell me who to write to about the issue, and I'll help.  I think Ubuntu sucks more than the average black hole, personally; but the reason why I'd be willing to help is because where it does tend to work very well, is as a gateway drug.  After a person has used Ubuntu for a bit, and begins to understand how awesome UNIX can potentially be without all of Debian's crap, they can then dump Ubuntu and get a better distro; but for FOSS evangelism, Ubuntu is great as an initial foot in the door.</p><p>I'm not interested in making the world safe for Stallman's cult, either; I'm something much more scary (and rare); a BSD zealot.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe that the average Linux Youth is n't given enough pocket money to be able to pick up a big spindle of blank CDs every now and then .
They 're not that expensive , and since the introduction of DVDs , 700 mb CDs have become even less so , because they 're now not the most popular format.You guys should definitely be taking advantage of every free bit torrent tracking site on the planet , if you 're not already , as well .
If you 're worried about the isos of public torrents being hacked , host the appropriate md5/sha256 sums on Ubuntu 's site , and tell people to check that , once they 've downloaded the file from isohunt.Of all the problems I could see Ubuntu potentially having , distribution logistics should * not * be one of them , with the Internet.Hell , tell me who to write to about the issue , and I 'll help .
I think Ubuntu sucks more than the average black hole , personally ; but the reason why I 'd be willing to help is because where it does tend to work very well , is as a gateway drug .
After a person has used Ubuntu for a bit , and begins to understand how awesome UNIX can potentially be without all of Debian 's crap , they can then dump Ubuntu and get a better distro ; but for FOSS evangelism , Ubuntu is great as an initial foot in the door.I 'm not interested in making the world safe for Stallman 's cult , either ; I 'm something much more scary ( and rare ) ; a BSD zealot .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe that the average Linux Youth isn't given enough pocket money to be able to pick up a big spindle of blank CDs every now and then.
They're not that expensive, and since the introduction of DVDs, 700 mb CDs have become even less so, because they're now not the most popular format.You guys should definitely be taking advantage of every free bit torrent tracking site on the planet, if you're not already, as well.
If you're worried about the isos of public torrents being hacked, host the appropriate md5/sha256 sums on Ubuntu's site, and tell people to check that, once they've downloaded the file from isohunt.Of all the problems I could see Ubuntu potentially having, distribution logistics should *not* be one of them, with the Internet.Hell, tell me who to write to about the issue, and I'll help.
I think Ubuntu sucks more than the average black hole, personally; but the reason why I'd be willing to help is because where it does tend to work very well, is as a gateway drug.
After a person has used Ubuntu for a bit, and begins to understand how awesome UNIX can potentially be without all of Debian's crap, they can then dump Ubuntu and get a better distro; but for FOSS evangelism, Ubuntu is great as an initial foot in the door.I'm not interested in making the world safe for Stallman's cult, either; I'm something much more scary (and rare); a BSD zealot.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876459</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>roothog</author>
	<datestamp>1256547960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was a Gentoo user up until yesterday. Used it for six years. Yesterday, I switched to Ubuntu. I just got sick of having to deal with the brokenness of Gentoo. They only reason that there's Gentoo HOWTOs is because even updates often don't work out of the box and require web pages explaining the manual steps that you have to take. The recent upgrade to Xorg comes to mind... I think there were a couple of different pages with instructions that had to be followed if you wanted to upgrade successfully. Even then, something would inevitably fail in the upgrade and require manual investigation. It was honestly fun for a while, and I gained confidence in my understanding of system operation and configuration, but it's not fun any more.</p><p>I realized a while ago that for real HOWTOs, I usually used Ubuntu docs. I only used Gentoo docs when things broke. It also didn't help that gentoo-wiki lost it database somewhere along the way.</p><p>And then packages.gentoo.org was down for *months* a while back. When it came back up, it had lost some of it functionality (searching).</p><p>And the gentoo community is fracturing.</p><p>And while portage is fine, emerge sucks the big one. I've been using the unsupported paludis for some time now.</p><p>Enough was enough. The xorg update was the tipping point for me to give up gentoo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a Gentoo user up until yesterday .
Used it for six years .
Yesterday , I switched to Ubuntu .
I just got sick of having to deal with the brokenness of Gentoo .
They only reason that there 's Gentoo HOWTOs is because even updates often do n't work out of the box and require web pages explaining the manual steps that you have to take .
The recent upgrade to Xorg comes to mind... I think there were a couple of different pages with instructions that had to be followed if you wanted to upgrade successfully .
Even then , something would inevitably fail in the upgrade and require manual investigation .
It was honestly fun for a while , and I gained confidence in my understanding of system operation and configuration , but it 's not fun any more.I realized a while ago that for real HOWTOs , I usually used Ubuntu docs .
I only used Gentoo docs when things broke .
It also did n't help that gentoo-wiki lost it database somewhere along the way.And then packages.gentoo.org was down for * months * a while back .
When it came back up , it had lost some of it functionality ( searching ) .And the gentoo community is fracturing.And while portage is fine , emerge sucks the big one .
I 've been using the unsupported paludis for some time now.Enough was enough .
The xorg update was the tipping point for me to give up gentoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a Gentoo user up until yesterday.
Used it for six years.
Yesterday, I switched to Ubuntu.
I just got sick of having to deal with the brokenness of Gentoo.
They only reason that there's Gentoo HOWTOs is because even updates often don't work out of the box and require web pages explaining the manual steps that you have to take.
The recent upgrade to Xorg comes to mind... I think there were a couple of different pages with instructions that had to be followed if you wanted to upgrade successfully.
Even then, something would inevitably fail in the upgrade and require manual investigation.
It was honestly fun for a while, and I gained confidence in my understanding of system operation and configuration, but it's not fun any more.I realized a while ago that for real HOWTOs, I usually used Ubuntu docs.
I only used Gentoo docs when things broke.
It also didn't help that gentoo-wiki lost it database somewhere along the way.And then packages.gentoo.org was down for *months* a while back.
When it came back up, it had lost some of it functionality (searching).And the gentoo community is fracturing.And while portage is fine, emerge sucks the big one.
I've been using the unsupported paludis for some time now.Enough was enough.
The xorg update was the tipping point for me to give up gentoo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875419</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1256586060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't see a regular user needing just a personal copy waiting.  That said, I have gotten a few to hand out at the local users group a few times, had to make a special request since I needed more than 10, but the requests got granted pretty quickly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see a regular user needing just a personal copy waiting .
That said , I have gotten a few to hand out at the local users group a few times , had to make a special request since I needed more than 10 , but the requests got granted pretty quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see a regular user needing just a personal copy waiting.
That said, I have gotten a few to hand out at the local users group a few times, had to make a special request since I needed more than 10, but the requests got granted pretty quickly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875659</id>
	<title>Re:Make available via outloets like Netflicks?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256587260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would be fine until someone accidentally booted from the Netflicks [sic] DVD and hosed their system because they did not know what they were doing. I doubt they would ever open themselves up to that kind of liability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be fine until someone accidentally booted from the Netflicks [ sic ] DVD and hosed their system because they did not know what they were doing .
I doubt they would ever open themselves up to that kind of liability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be fine until someone accidentally booted from the Netflicks [sic] DVD and hosed their system because they did not know what they were doing.
I doubt they would ever open themselves up to that kind of liability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875339</id>
	<title>Served it's purpose</title>
	<author>Oasiz</author>
	<datestamp>1256585700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The guys must get tons of orders each day and even hoax orders grow exponentially with increased
popularity.

I still have the old 5.10 discs around that
introduced me and my friend to Ubuntu.
But now with the increased internet connections and quick downloads speeds you can get it very fast and even use 'in-windows' installers in case you do not have a cd/usb stick to put the installer in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The guys must get tons of orders each day and even hoax orders grow exponentially with increased popularity .
I still have the old 5.10 discs around that introduced me and my friend to Ubuntu .
But now with the increased internet connections and quick downloads speeds you can get it very fast and even use 'in-windows ' installers in case you do not have a cd/usb stick to put the installer in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guys must get tons of orders each day and even hoax orders grow exponentially with increased
popularity.
I still have the old 5.10 discs around that
introduced me and my friend to Ubuntu.
But now with the increased internet connections and quick downloads speeds you can get it very fast and even use 'in-windows' installers in case you do not have a cd/usb stick to put the installer in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876081</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256589240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No OS is one size fits all, so a little tweaking is inevitable.  Debian is intended for everyone, so it's fairly easy to get set up the way you want it, and then forget about forever.  Ubuntu is targeted towards the lowest common denominator, so if your needs are different from most you might have a little more hassle getting it the way you want it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No OS is one size fits all , so a little tweaking is inevitable .
Debian is intended for everyone , so it 's fairly easy to get set up the way you want it , and then forget about forever .
Ubuntu is targeted towards the lowest common denominator , so if your needs are different from most you might have a little more hassle getting it the way you want it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No OS is one size fits all, so a little tweaking is inevitable.
Debian is intended for everyone, so it's fairly easy to get set up the way you want it, and then forget about forever.
Ubuntu is targeted towards the lowest common denominator, so if your needs are different from most you might have a little more hassle getting it the way you want it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875219</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879909</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1256567340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dual boot is really a PITA unless you're hardly ever switching between OS's.</p><p>You're better off running a VM such as VirtualBox (free &amp; recommended) in Windows and installing Ubuntu in that. You don't need to burn an Ubuntu CD image to install it - VirtualBox will let you mount the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso file directly to a virtual CD drive. I'm sure most other VMs support this too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dual boot is really a PITA unless you 're hardly ever switching between OS 's.You 're better off running a VM such as VirtualBox ( free &amp; recommended ) in Windows and installing Ubuntu in that .
You do n't need to burn an Ubuntu CD image to install it - VirtualBox will let you mount the .iso file directly to a virtual CD drive .
I 'm sure most other VMs support this too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dual boot is really a PITA unless you're hardly ever switching between OS's.You're better off running a VM such as VirtualBox (free &amp; recommended) in Windows and installing Ubuntu in that.
You don't need to burn an Ubuntu CD image to install it - VirtualBox will let you mount the .iso file directly to a virtual CD drive.
I'm sure most other VMs support this too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882363</id>
	<title>Ad Frank is still shipping free music CDs</title>
	<author>rcharbon</author>
	<datestamp>1256650020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can still get <a href="http://y42k.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/ad-frank-will-send-you-his-new-cd-for-free/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Ad Frank's latest album on CD for free</a> [wordpress.com].  How come a guy with a box of CDs in his basement can do this, but Ubuntu can't?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can still get Ad Frank 's latest album on CD for free [ wordpress.com ] .
How come a guy with a box of CDs in his basement can do this , but Ubuntu ca n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can still get Ad Frank's latest album on CD for free [wordpress.com].
How come a guy with a box of CDs in his basement can do this, but Ubuntu can't?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875737</id>
	<title>Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Smivs</author>
	<datestamp>1256587620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness. You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it's as if no other O/S exists. What Canonical really need to try to do (and I appreciate that this would not be without cost) is get the CD's in the stores so that punters buying a new computer will see it as a viable alternative to M$ products. Ideally, of course it would be nice if manufacturers could offer it pre-installed across their ranges as well. Also, as many people are hugely suspicious of anything 'free' and anything 'new', packaging it with a (sensibly priced) support service might be another way of 'selling' Linux to the masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of ubuntu 's ( and Linux in general ) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness .
You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it 's as if no other O/S exists .
What Canonical really need to try to do ( and I appreciate that this would not be without cost ) is get the CD 's in the stores so that punters buying a new computer will see it as a viable alternative to M $ products .
Ideally , of course it would be nice if manufacturers could offer it pre-installed across their ranges as well .
Also , as many people are hugely suspicious of anything 'free ' and anything 'new ' , packaging it with a ( sensibly priced ) support service might be another way of 'selling ' Linux to the masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness.
You go to a computer store and everything on offer is pre-loaded with windoze...it's as if no other O/S exists.
What Canonical really need to try to do (and I appreciate that this would not be without cost) is get the CD's in the stores so that punters buying a new computer will see it as a viable alternative to M$ products.
Ideally, of course it would be nice if manufacturers could offer it pre-installed across their ranges as well.
Also, as many people are hugely suspicious of anything 'free' and anything 'new', packaging it with a (sensibly priced) support service might be another way of 'selling' Linux to the masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878721</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>jeffeb3</author>
	<datestamp>1256558280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Red Hat used to be sold in stores, for $99, and that included some service time.  I've also seen howto books include the distro they describe (I have one with SuSe 9.3 cost about $20). The problem is that they get out of date so fast.  Ubuntu LTS is once a year, and another major release every October.  Suse was on 10.2 when I bought that book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Red Hat used to be sold in stores , for $ 99 , and that included some service time .
I 've also seen howto books include the distro they describe ( I have one with SuSe 9.3 cost about $ 20 ) .
The problem is that they get out of date so fast .
Ubuntu LTS is once a year , and another major release every October .
Suse was on 10.2 when I bought that book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Red Hat used to be sold in stores, for $99, and that included some service time.
I've also seen howto books include the distro they describe (I have one with SuSe 9.3 cost about $20).
The problem is that they get out of date so fast.
Ubuntu LTS is once a year, and another major release every October.
Suse was on 10.2 when I bought that book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877823</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>GoochOwnsYou</author>
	<datestamp>1256553240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually the first time I heard of Ubuntu was when someone at uni was handing them out. I was a SuSE user at the time and have been using Ubuntu ever since. About a year later I ordered from ShipIt 50 CD's and distributed them around both uni and work and yes in the process got some people who "only knew Windows" to switch. <br> <br>

It was more than anything a way to get people to promote the distro when most people would have just glanced over the name and not give it a second thought.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the first time I heard of Ubuntu was when someone at uni was handing them out .
I was a SuSE user at the time and have been using Ubuntu ever since .
About a year later I ordered from ShipIt 50 CD 's and distributed them around both uni and work and yes in the process got some people who " only knew Windows " to switch .
It was more than anything a way to get people to promote the distro when most people would have just glanced over the name and not give it a second thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the first time I heard of Ubuntu was when someone at uni was handing them out.
I was a SuSE user at the time and have been using Ubuntu ever since.
About a year later I ordered from ShipIt 50 CD's and distributed them around both uni and work and yes in the process got some people who "only knew Windows" to switch.
It was more than anything a way to get people to promote the distro when most people would have just glanced over the name and not give it a second thought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876049</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256589120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps in honor of Windows 7's release they should have a limited time offer of one Ubuntu CD for $7<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps in honor of Windows 7 's release they should have a limited time offer of one Ubuntu CD for $ 7 : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps in honor of Windows 7's release they should have a limited time offer of one Ubuntu CD for $7 :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879885</id>
	<title>Re:Why not start a donation fund for these?</title>
	<author>Spit</author>
	<datestamp>1256567040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could just take the OpenBSD approach and produce installation media with instruction booklet to sell. I buy it to support the project even though I rarely use it to install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could just take the OpenBSD approach and produce installation media with instruction booklet to sell .
I buy it to support the project even though I rarely use it to install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could just take the OpenBSD approach and produce installation media with instruction booklet to sell.
I buy it to support the project even though I rarely use it to install.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875359</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881891</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256641800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>To the OP: Were you able to upgrade xorg in the past few weeks without needing to read web pages and take manual steps? Have you had to change any use flags in the past 3 months because packages that once built now refused to build without changes to USE? I've had these problems, and I consider these "playing around with crap" well after an initial system installation.</p></div><p>If you're referring to 7.4 I'm still on 7.2. Since the community has shrunk vastly I accept that new packages take longer than usual to stabilize. I'm in no hurry to update my software, but I understand those who are. <b>If the GP truly only wants to "do some work", I hardly see the need to upgrade to the latest packages continuously -- unless for security reasons.</b> </p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To the OP : Were you able to upgrade xorg in the past few weeks without needing to read web pages and take manual steps ?
Have you had to change any use flags in the past 3 months because packages that once built now refused to build without changes to USE ?
I 've had these problems , and I consider these " playing around with crap " well after an initial system installation.If you 're referring to 7.4 I 'm still on 7.2 .
Since the community has shrunk vastly I accept that new packages take longer than usual to stabilize .
I 'm in no hurry to update my software , but I understand those who are .
If the GP truly only wants to " do some work " , I hardly see the need to upgrade to the latest packages continuously -- unless for security reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To the OP: Were you able to upgrade xorg in the past few weeks without needing to read web pages and take manual steps?
Have you had to change any use flags in the past 3 months because packages that once built now refused to build without changes to USE?
I've had these problems, and I consider these "playing around with crap" well after an initial system installation.If you're referring to 7.4 I'm still on 7.2.
Since the community has shrunk vastly I accept that new packages take longer than usual to stabilize.
I'm in no hurry to update my software, but I understand those who are.
If the GP truly only wants to "do some work", I hardly see the need to upgrade to the latest packages continuously -- unless for security reasons. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875349</id>
	<title>Remember kids...Canonical is a private company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...not a non-profit.  It's also incorporated in <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=tax+shelter+isle+of+mann" title="google.com">a tax shelter country</a> [google.com].

<p>To anyone who has been paying attention to the increased commercial activity from Canonical and commercial bundling (first Landscape, which advertises itself via your shell logins...now all the "cloud" BS in the current beta, like the storage plan), this shouldn't be a surprise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...not a non-profit .
It 's also incorporated in a tax shelter country [ google.com ] .
To anyone who has been paying attention to the increased commercial activity from Canonical and commercial bundling ( first Landscape , which advertises itself via your shell logins...now all the " cloud " BS in the current beta , like the storage plan ) , this should n't be a surprise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...not a non-profit.
It's also incorporated in a tax shelter country [google.com].
To anyone who has been paying attention to the increased commercial activity from Canonical and commercial bundling (first Landscape, which advertises itself via your shell logins...now all the "cloud" BS in the current beta, like the storage plan), this shouldn't be a surprise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875163</id>
	<title>Probably people abusing the system</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1256584920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I once got flamed on <a href="http://www.slickdeals.net/" title="slickdeals.net" rel="nofollow">Slick Deals</a> [slickdeals.net] for asking people to show restraint and common sense after someone posted a deal for a free CD from Project Gutenburg.  People were ordering tons of disks as if they were getting some special deal.  I don't blame Canonical at all for placing limits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I once got flamed on Slick Deals [ slickdeals.net ] for asking people to show restraint and common sense after someone posted a deal for a free CD from Project Gutenburg .
People were ordering tons of disks as if they were getting some special deal .
I do n't blame Canonical at all for placing limits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once got flamed on Slick Deals [slickdeals.net] for asking people to show restraint and common sense after someone posted a deal for a free CD from Project Gutenburg.
People were ordering tons of disks as if they were getting some special deal.
I don't blame Canonical at all for placing limits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876419</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>supersloshy</author>
	<datestamp>1256547720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wubi? <a href="http://wubi-installer.org/" title="wubi-installer.org" rel="nofollow">http://wubi-installer.org/</a> [wubi-installer.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wubi ?
http : //wubi-installer.org/ [ wubi-installer.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wubi?
http://wubi-installer.org/ [wubi-installer.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</id>
	<title>Just torrent it</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1256585460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just used the torrents. This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just used the torrents .
This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just used the torrents.
This way I get a disk in under two hours and shared the bandwidth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29882669</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu seems to have hit the big time</title>
	<author>arkarumba</author>
	<datestamp>1256652240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't say: "not having the overhead of antivirus software"<br>It has been drummed into the masses that they need virus protection and it will just confuse them.<br>Instead say: "virus protection included" - well Linux does protect you from viruses</p><p>Also, the masses may be suspect of "freedom to copy."  Perhaps just make it look like the free CDs on magazine covers like "4GB of free software"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't say : " not having the overhead of antivirus software " It has been drummed into the masses that they need virus protection and it will just confuse them.Instead say : " virus protection included " - well Linux does protect you from virusesAlso , the masses may be suspect of " freedom to copy .
" Perhaps just make it look like the free CDs on magazine covers like " 4GB of free software "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't say: "not having the overhead of antivirus software"It has been drummed into the masses that they need virus protection and it will just confuse them.Instead say: "virus protection included" - well Linux does protect you from virusesAlso, the masses may be suspect of "freedom to copy.
"  Perhaps just make it look like the free CDs on magazine covers like "4GB of free software"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876483</id>
	<title>scratched</title>
	<author>bzipitidoo</author>
	<datestamp>1256548020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ordered a few Ubuntu CDs some time ago.  They came in cardboard sleeves with flaps, and the edge of the flap was tucked in and touching the surface.  Arrived with half the CDs unreadable thanks to the thick secant line of scratches from being shipped like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ordered a few Ubuntu CDs some time ago .
They came in cardboard sleeves with flaps , and the edge of the flap was tucked in and touching the surface .
Arrived with half the CDs unreadable thanks to the thick secant line of scratches from being shipped like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ordered a few Ubuntu CDs some time ago.
They came in cardboard sleeves with flaps, and the edge of the flap was tucked in and touching the surface.
Arrived with half the CDs unreadable thanks to the thick secant line of scratches from being shipped like that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881129</id>
	<title>Only send CDs to people with dial up</title>
	<author>Logic Worshipper</author>
	<datestamp>1256584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they ran a quick speed test before sending you the CD, to see if you were on dial up, then sent you a free CD if you're using a dial up internet connection, but not if you have high speed internet. Assuming your IP is somewhere around where you're asking them to send the CD, if you're on dial up, they'll send you a free CD.  If you're not on dial up, you pay for the shipping and the media.  Hell, maybe they could even use a map of what kind of internet is available where, and if you're address is somewhere high speed internet isn't available, they'll still send you a free CD.  They have your address, so you can only fake so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they ran a quick speed test before sending you the CD , to see if you were on dial up , then sent you a free CD if you 're using a dial up internet connection , but not if you have high speed internet .
Assuming your IP is somewhere around where you 're asking them to send the CD , if you 're on dial up , they 'll send you a free CD .
If you 're not on dial up , you pay for the shipping and the media .
Hell , maybe they could even use a map of what kind of internet is available where , and if you 're address is somewhere high speed internet is n't available , they 'll still send you a free CD .
They have your address , so you can only fake so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they ran a quick speed test before sending you the CD, to see if you were on dial up, then sent you a free CD if you're using a dial up internet connection, but not if you have high speed internet.
Assuming your IP is somewhere around where you're asking them to send the CD, if you're on dial up, they'll send you a free CD.
If you're not on dial up, you pay for the shipping and the media.
Hell, maybe they could even use a map of what kind of internet is available where, and if you're address is somewhere high speed internet isn't available, they'll still send you a free CD.
They have your address, so you can only fake so much.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877297</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>uncle slacky</author>
	<datestamp>1256551080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is:</p><p><a href="http://wubi-installer.org/" title="wubi-installer.org" rel="nofollow">http://wubi-installer.org/</a> [wubi-installer.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is : http : //wubi-installer.org/ [ wubi-installer.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is:http://wubi-installer.org/ [wubi-installer.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876107</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881011</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>wisty</author>
	<datestamp>1256581920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By morons, do you mean "Windows experts with no Linux experience", or "Complete beginners who just want to surf the net"?</p><p>Once the internet works, Ubuntu is fine for complete technophobes. It only gets to be high maintenance why you try to do interesting things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By morons , do you mean " Windows experts with no Linux experience " , or " Complete beginners who just want to surf the net " ? Once the internet works , Ubuntu is fine for complete technophobes .
It only gets to be high maintenance why you try to do interesting things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By morons, do you mean "Windows experts with no Linux experience", or "Complete beginners who just want to surf the net"?Once the internet works, Ubuntu is fine for complete technophobes.
It only gets to be high maintenance why you try to do interesting things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875785</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878337</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1256555580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awareness</p></div></blockquote><p>Recently I was watching a free-to-air TV channel we have in Australia called GO. I noticed however that the station ID had changed slightly. Normally it's just the GO logo bouncing around the inside of a small room, with lots of colourful effects and whatnot. Now... it's the GO logo bounding around the same room along with the WINDOWS LOGO bouncing around the room too!</p><p>FFS - how can Linux compete in mindshare when Microsoft has enough money to change the advertisements for TV stations?</p><p>On the other hand, I shouldn't be surprised. They like to advertise Bing a lot and their website is <a href="http://go.ninemsn.com.au/" title="ninemsn.com.au">http://go.ninemsn.com.au/</a> [ninemsn.com.au] , so it's obvious who their partners are.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of ubuntu 's ( and Linux in general ) main obstacles is the lack of public awarenessRecently I was watching a free-to-air TV channel we have in Australia called GO .
I noticed however that the station ID had changed slightly .
Normally it 's just the GO logo bouncing around the inside of a small room , with lots of colourful effects and whatnot .
Now... it 's the GO logo bounding around the same room along with the WINDOWS LOGO bouncing around the room too ! FFS - how can Linux compete in mindshare when Microsoft has enough money to change the advertisements for TV stations ? On the other hand , I should n't be surprised .
They like to advertise Bing a lot and their website is http : //go.ninemsn.com.au/ [ ninemsn.com.au ] , so it 's obvious who their partners are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of ubuntu's (and Linux in general) main obstacles is the lack of public awarenessRecently I was watching a free-to-air TV channel we have in Australia called GO.
I noticed however that the station ID had changed slightly.
Normally it's just the GO logo bouncing around the inside of a small room, with lots of colourful effects and whatnot.
Now... it's the GO logo bounding around the same room along with the WINDOWS LOGO bouncing around the room too!FFS - how can Linux compete in mindshare when Microsoft has enough money to change the advertisements for TV stations?On the other hand, I shouldn't be surprised.
They like to advertise Bing a lot and their website is http://go.ninemsn.com.au/ [ninemsn.com.au] , so it's obvious who their partners are.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875737</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876501</id>
	<title>The real cost of free CDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256548080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in high school, several hundred AOL floppy disks were shipped to the school unsolicited. No more trips to Office Depot to buy boxes of floppy disks. To this day, nobody knows why they were shipped, although I suspect that some moron teacher signed up for it.</p><p>Fast forward, and I did a 3-year stint as the sysadmin for my old high school. In a cruel twist of fate, I wound up with several hundred Ubuntu CDs of all flavors [32-bit, 64-bit, PowerPC...] shipped to the school unsolicited. No clue who requested them; once again, I suspect some moron teacher.</p><p>Most of them wound up deep in a cabinet. I tried giving them away, but there was little interest--unlike the AOL floppy disks of old, they're not free portable storage media. For a very reason, I'm probably glad students didn't start swiping them like hotcakes:</p><p>My principal was a moron, and he thought his goal was to make everyone "happy", no matter what the cost. He once promised a parent a free home computer, and sent me on a county-wide wild goose chase for a donated/unwanted computer with no asset tag--just so I could install Windows 2000 on it and give said parent a "free" computer that probably cost the school district close to $100 in the time I spent on the damn thing. Not to mention said parent calling me trying to squeeze tech support out of me--I'm surprised the damn principal didn't try to make me go to their home.</p><p>That being said, can you imagine the backlash if a student wiped their family computer's hard drive, installed Ubuntu, and it was found out the CD came from a box I had set out for the taking? They would have had my head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in high school , several hundred AOL floppy disks were shipped to the school unsolicited .
No more trips to Office Depot to buy boxes of floppy disks .
To this day , nobody knows why they were shipped , although I suspect that some moron teacher signed up for it.Fast forward , and I did a 3-year stint as the sysadmin for my old high school .
In a cruel twist of fate , I wound up with several hundred Ubuntu CDs of all flavors [ 32-bit , 64-bit , PowerPC... ] shipped to the school unsolicited .
No clue who requested them ; once again , I suspect some moron teacher.Most of them wound up deep in a cabinet .
I tried giving them away , but there was little interest--unlike the AOL floppy disks of old , they 're not free portable storage media .
For a very reason , I 'm probably glad students did n't start swiping them like hotcakes : My principal was a moron , and he thought his goal was to make everyone " happy " , no matter what the cost .
He once promised a parent a free home computer , and sent me on a county-wide wild goose chase for a donated/unwanted computer with no asset tag--just so I could install Windows 2000 on it and give said parent a " free " computer that probably cost the school district close to $ 100 in the time I spent on the damn thing .
Not to mention said parent calling me trying to squeeze tech support out of me--I 'm surprised the damn principal did n't try to make me go to their home.That being said , can you imagine the backlash if a student wiped their family computer 's hard drive , installed Ubuntu , and it was found out the CD came from a box I had set out for the taking ?
They would have had my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in high school, several hundred AOL floppy disks were shipped to the school unsolicited.
No more trips to Office Depot to buy boxes of floppy disks.
To this day, nobody knows why they were shipped, although I suspect that some moron teacher signed up for it.Fast forward, and I did a 3-year stint as the sysadmin for my old high school.
In a cruel twist of fate, I wound up with several hundred Ubuntu CDs of all flavors [32-bit, 64-bit, PowerPC...] shipped to the school unsolicited.
No clue who requested them; once again, I suspect some moron teacher.Most of them wound up deep in a cabinet.
I tried giving them away, but there was little interest--unlike the AOL floppy disks of old, they're not free portable storage media.
For a very reason, I'm probably glad students didn't start swiping them like hotcakes:My principal was a moron, and he thought his goal was to make everyone "happy", no matter what the cost.
He once promised a parent a free home computer, and sent me on a county-wide wild goose chase for a donated/unwanted computer with no asset tag--just so I could install Windows 2000 on it and give said parent a "free" computer that probably cost the school district close to $100 in the time I spent on the damn thing.
Not to mention said parent calling me trying to squeeze tech support out of me--I'm surprised the damn principal didn't try to make me go to their home.That being said, can you imagine the backlash if a student wiped their family computer's hard drive, installed Ubuntu, and it was found out the CD came from a box I had set out for the taking?
They would have had my head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875523</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1256586600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just installed 9.04 this weekend!  I didn't bother burning a copy.  I just pointed VMware at the ISO and it installed it on the VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just installed 9.04 this weekend !
I did n't bother burning a copy .
I just pointed VMware at the ISO and it installed it on the VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just installed 9.04 this weekend!
I didn't bother burning a copy.
I just pointed VMware at the ISO and it installed it on the VM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875305</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876269</id>
	<title>Re:Probably people abusing the system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256590320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ask your LoCo team if they can provide you with a disc (it'll likely be burned, but that doesn't matter).  They can even ship you an alternate CD, so you can upgrade instead of reinstall every six months/two years.</p><p><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList</a> [ubuntu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask your LoCo team if they can provide you with a disc ( it 'll likely be burned , but that does n't matter ) .
They can even ship you an alternate CD , so you can upgrade instead of reinstall every six months/two years.https : //wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [ ubuntu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask your LoCo team if they can provide you with a disc (it'll likely be burned, but that doesn't matter).
They can even ship you an alternate CD, so you can upgrade instead of reinstall every six months/two years.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [ubuntu.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875465</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880283</id>
	<title>Re:Probably people abusing the system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256571720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could send copies to libraries, people could check them out.  Some people might not mind making a spare copy for the library in case the first gets damaged (media is so cheap, I wouldn't mind making 3 or 4 free copies for the local library --if they would have them--).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could send copies to libraries , people could check them out .
Some people might not mind making a spare copy for the library in case the first gets damaged ( media is so cheap , I would n't mind making 3 or 4 free copies for the local library --if they would have them-- ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could send copies to libraries, people could check them out.
Some people might not mind making a spare copy for the library in case the first gets damaged (media is so cheap, I wouldn't mind making 3 or 4 free copies for the local library --if they would have them--).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875465</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876671</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>fluffy99</author>
	<datestamp>1256548800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt it's an issue with burning an ISO.  If you can't figure that out, then probably wouldn't be trying to use Linux.  They are most handy for those with crappy internet connections that don't want to tie up the phone for 3 days trying to download it.  Of course if you're in that boat, you probably can't keep up with the windows or linux updates either.</p><p>It's the guys who like to have an official copy in their hand, that could download it who were perhaps abusing the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it 's an issue with burning an ISO .
If you ca n't figure that out , then probably would n't be trying to use Linux .
They are most handy for those with crappy internet connections that do n't want to tie up the phone for 3 days trying to download it .
Of course if you 're in that boat , you probably ca n't keep up with the windows or linux updates either.It 's the guys who like to have an official copy in their hand , that could download it who were perhaps abusing the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it's an issue with burning an ISO.
If you can't figure that out, then probably wouldn't be trying to use Linux.
They are most handy for those with crappy internet connections that don't want to tie up the phone for 3 days trying to download it.
Of course if you're in that boat, you probably can't keep up with the windows or linux updates either.It's the guys who like to have an official copy in their hand, that could download it who were perhaps abusing the system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877555</id>
	<title>store looks pretty good</title>
	<author>Michael Wardle</author>
	<datestamp>1256552160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't even know they had a <a href="https://shop.canonical.com/" title="canonical.com">store</a> [canonical.com] until I saw this article.</p><p>It looks pretty good.  There's a bunch of stuff, including a <a href="https://shop.canonical.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=33" title="canonical.com">nice polo</a> [canonical.com], a <a href="https://shop.canonical.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=541" title="canonical.com">Karmic Koala t-shirt</a> [canonical.com], as well as <a href="https://shop.canonical.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=537" title="canonical.com">CDs</a> [canonical.com], <a href="https://shop.canonical.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=125" title="canonical.com">stickers</a> [canonical.com], etc, etc.</p><p>The CDs are only $1.50 each, so I won't mind buying them if I have to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't even know they had a store [ canonical.com ] until I saw this article.It looks pretty good .
There 's a bunch of stuff , including a nice polo [ canonical.com ] , a Karmic Koala t-shirt [ canonical.com ] , as well as CDs [ canonical.com ] , stickers [ canonical.com ] , etc , etc.The CDs are only $ 1.50 each , so I wo n't mind buying them if I have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't even know they had a store [canonical.com] until I saw this article.It looks pretty good.
There's a bunch of stuff, including a nice polo [canonical.com], a Karmic Koala t-shirt [canonical.com], as well as CDs [canonical.com], stickers [canonical.com], etc, etc.The CDs are only $1.50 each, so I won't mind buying them if I have to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878569</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1256557320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My best friend used to live in a house about 4KM away from the nearest telephone exchange. No broadband, dialup connects at 9.6-16.4kbit.

The CD shipping was a great idea for some people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My best friend used to live in a house about 4KM away from the nearest telephone exchange .
No broadband , dialup connects at 9.6-16.4kbit .
The CD shipping was a great idea for some people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My best friend used to live in a house about 4KM away from the nearest telephone exchange.
No broadband, dialup connects at 9.6-16.4kbit.
The CD shipping was a great idea for some people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29883045</id>
	<title>Can Quick Ship offer Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256654400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quick Ship already ships Xubuntu, opesSUSE, Fedora, and Debian. We pay the shipping on the free discs but thats cheaper than buying one from Canonical. http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Quick\_Ship\_Free\_Disc\_Service</p><p>The page says "We are expecting this minimal cost of acquisition to help prevent wasted discs that often occur in other free disc services"</p><p>I have asked if they will start shipping free Ubuntu cds. Anyone else want to ask? maybe we can convince them if enough people ask? https://on-disk.com/contact\_us.php</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quick Ship already ships Xubuntu , opesSUSE , Fedora , and Debian .
We pay the shipping on the free discs but thats cheaper than buying one from Canonical .
http : //on-disk.com/cms/index.php ? wiki = Quick \ _Ship \ _Free \ _Disc \ _ServiceThe page says " We are expecting this minimal cost of acquisition to help prevent wasted discs that often occur in other free disc services " I have asked if they will start shipping free Ubuntu cds .
Anyone else want to ask ?
maybe we can convince them if enough people ask ?
https : //on-disk.com/contact \ _us.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick Ship already ships Xubuntu, opesSUSE, Fedora, and Debian.
We pay the shipping on the free discs but thats cheaper than buying one from Canonical.
http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=Quick\_Ship\_Free\_Disc\_ServiceThe page says "We are expecting this minimal cost of acquisition to help prevent wasted discs that often occur in other free disc services"I have asked if they will start shipping free Ubuntu cds.
Anyone else want to ask?
maybe we can convince them if enough people ask?
https://on-disk.com/contact\_us.php</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875889</id>
	<title>Re:Just torrent it</title>
	<author>porkThreeWays</author>
	<datestamp>1256588400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised no one has written a small flash or java applet for downloading torrents. This way, they could use the power of bit torrent with the ease of a web browser for distribution. Even better, they should also make it available as an executable with a small open source cd burning program that is basically scripted to just say "place a blank CD in your cd burner" and burn the ISO. The biggest issue I've seen with beginners trying to install linux has been for them to actually download the iso and burn it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised no one has written a small flash or java applet for downloading torrents .
This way , they could use the power of bit torrent with the ease of a web browser for distribution .
Even better , they should also make it available as an executable with a small open source cd burning program that is basically scripted to just say " place a blank CD in your cd burner " and burn the ISO .
The biggest issue I 've seen with beginners trying to install linux has been for them to actually download the iso and burn it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised no one has written a small flash or java applet for downloading torrents.
This way, they could use the power of bit torrent with the ease of a web browser for distribution.
Even better, they should also make it available as an executable with a small open source cd burning program that is basically scripted to just say "place a blank CD in your cd burner" and burn the ISO.
The biggest issue I've seen with beginners trying to install linux has been for them to actually download the iso and burn it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29880989</id>
	<title>Ubuntu should outsource the distrubution</title>
	<author>BradMajors</author>
	<datestamp>1256581500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems Ubuntu considers giving their customers what they want, which is CDs, is too much trouble. Fine, let someone else do it.</p><p>There are lots of other companies who are more than willing to sell Ubuntu CDs for two or three dollars.  Ubuntu should provide the CD artwork to other companies for free, get out of the business of distributing CDs completely (so that other companies do not have unfair competition), and let these other companies provide Ubuntu customers what they want, CDs at a very low price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems Ubuntu considers giving their customers what they want , which is CDs , is too much trouble .
Fine , let someone else do it.There are lots of other companies who are more than willing to sell Ubuntu CDs for two or three dollars .
Ubuntu should provide the CD artwork to other companies for free , get out of the business of distributing CDs completely ( so that other companies do not have unfair competition ) , and let these other companies provide Ubuntu customers what they want , CDs at a very low price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems Ubuntu considers giving their customers what they want, which is CDs, is too much trouble.
Fine, let someone else do it.There are lots of other companies who are more than willing to sell Ubuntu CDs for two or three dollars.
Ubuntu should provide the CD artwork to other companies for free, get out of the business of distributing CDs completely (so that other companies do not have unfair competition), and let these other companies provide Ubuntu customers what they want, CDs at a very low price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878793</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>anexkahn</author>
	<datestamp>1256558760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ordered the free cd's once...but by the time I received them I had forgotten about them and a new version had already come out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ordered the free cd 's once...but by the time I received them I had forgotten about them and a new version had already come out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ordered the free cd's once...but by the time I received them I had forgotten about them and a new version had already come out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29878073</id>
	<title>Re:Get it in the stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256554320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but not the computer stores. Get it into places like Target, Walmart, etc. Put it at the registers for not much- between $1 and $5 maybe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but not the computer stores .
Get it into places like Target , Walmart , etc .
Put it at the registers for not much- between $ 1 and $ 5 maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but not the computer stores.
Get it into places like Target, Walmart, etc.
Put it at the registers for not much- between $1 and $5 maybe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876685</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>bahstid</author>
	<datestamp>1256548860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just in case my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, and seeing as its the second comment I've seen along these lines, <a href="http://wubi-installer.org/" title="wubi-installer.org"> here you go</a> [wubi-installer.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just in case my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning , and seeing as its the second comment I 've seen along these lines , here you go [ wubi-installer.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just in case my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, and seeing as its the second comment I've seen along these lines,  here you go [wubi-installer.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875305</id>
	<title>9.10 is really nice</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1256585580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have it running on my old D610, it's very nice.  They have improved the software center, a lot.  Much faster and easier to use.  Imported all my settings and desktop from 9.04, no problems.  Boot up seems about the same to me, but overall it seems faster.  The default theme is very nice and the fonts are clear and legible.

</p><p>Overall I like it a lot.  Good timing for release of 9.10, too.  If you're going to change everything, might as well try something else first.  What do you have to lose?

</p><p>It's reasonable for them to limit disk copies.  It's not like someone couldn't make as many of their own copies as they wish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have it running on my old D610 , it 's very nice .
They have improved the software center , a lot .
Much faster and easier to use .
Imported all my settings and desktop from 9.04 , no problems .
Boot up seems about the same to me , but overall it seems faster .
The default theme is very nice and the fonts are clear and legible .
Overall I like it a lot .
Good timing for release of 9.10 , too .
If you 're going to change everything , might as well try something else first .
What do you have to lose ?
It 's reasonable for them to limit disk copies .
It 's not like someone could n't make as many of their own copies as they wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have it running on my old D610, it's very nice.
They have improved the software center, a lot.
Much faster and easier to use.
Imported all my settings and desktop from 9.04, no problems.
Boot up seems about the same to me, but overall it seems faster.
The default theme is very nice and the fonts are clear and legible.
Overall I like it a lot.
Good timing for release of 9.10, too.
If you're going to change everything, might as well try something else first.
What do you have to lose?
It's reasonable for them to limit disk copies.
It's not like someone couldn't make as many of their own copies as they wish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875185</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876187</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Locutus</author>
	<datestamp>1256589900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used the shipit CDs to hand out to users who were interested in trying it and although I'd not done it, had though of sending a CD to the Mayors IT person, County IT person and head of the school district. The stamped CD and printed sleeve would be seen as less of a threat if they weren't sure what it was. As opposed to ISO burned CDs and home made labels and sleeves.<br><br>good to see they've not given it up entirely.<br><br>LoB</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used the shipit CDs to hand out to users who were interested in trying it and although I 'd not done it , had though of sending a CD to the Mayors IT person , County IT person and head of the school district .
The stamped CD and printed sleeve would be seen as less of a threat if they were n't sure what it was .
As opposed to ISO burned CDs and home made labels and sleeves.good to see they 've not given it up entirely.LoB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used the shipit CDs to hand out to users who were interested in trying it and although I'd not done it, had though of sending a CD to the Mayors IT person, County IT person and head of the school district.
The stamped CD and printed sleeve would be seen as less of a threat if they weren't sure what it was.
As opposed to ISO burned CDs and home made labels and sleeves.good to see they've not given it up entirely.LoB</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876105</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>jfrankmbl</author>
	<datestamp>1256589360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The free CDs are also great for people who don't have broadband or limited broadband coverage.  Some satellite ISPs put a very small limit (just a couple hundred MB) on how much you can download per 24 hours without your speeds getting severely throttled.
<p>
Also, for people like my mother, who is obsessive about filing away hard copies of EVERYTHING, even if a copy is readily available, having a free copy sent to her made her much happier with installing it.
</p><p>
I think it's good for them to limit it to 1 per user (maybe reset it every few releases?) But I am also happy they are trying to maintain this as removing EVERY obstacle (how do i use this "tornado downloader", how do i burn a disk, etc) from a new user makes them much more likely to try your system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The free CDs are also great for people who do n't have broadband or limited broadband coverage .
Some satellite ISPs put a very small limit ( just a couple hundred MB ) on how much you can download per 24 hours without your speeds getting severely throttled .
Also , for people like my mother , who is obsessive about filing away hard copies of EVERYTHING , even if a copy is readily available , having a free copy sent to her made her much happier with installing it .
I think it 's good for them to limit it to 1 per user ( maybe reset it every few releases ?
) But I am also happy they are trying to maintain this as removing EVERY obstacle ( how do i use this " tornado downloader " , how do i burn a disk , etc ) from a new user makes them much more likely to try your system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The free CDs are also great for people who don't have broadband or limited broadband coverage.
Some satellite ISPs put a very small limit (just a couple hundred MB) on how much you can download per 24 hours without your speeds getting severely throttled.
Also, for people like my mother, who is obsessive about filing away hard copies of EVERYTHING, even if a copy is readily available, having a free copy sent to her made her much happier with installing it.
I think it's good for them to limit it to 1 per user (maybe reset it every few releases?
) But I am also happy they are trying to maintain this as removing EVERY obstacle (how do i use this "tornado downloader", how do i burn a disk, etc) from a new user makes them much more likely to try your system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881559</id>
	<title>Re:Why do we need CDs at all?</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1256635500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I understand this correctly, Wubi runs as an application in the windows environment, which means it still has all the windows bloat in it and then it adds the Ubuntu kernel on top of all that.</p><p>I was hoping that one could install a separate version of Ubuntu that runs directly on the hardware (i.e., no virtual machines) on a different partition, but perform the installation while in windows. So that you load windows, run an ubuntu installer, restart and see a bootloader that lets you load into ubuntu on a brand new partition.</p><p>But mister darthwader above explained why this is difficult to achieve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I understand this correctly , Wubi runs as an application in the windows environment , which means it still has all the windows bloat in it and then it adds the Ubuntu kernel on top of all that.I was hoping that one could install a separate version of Ubuntu that runs directly on the hardware ( i.e. , no virtual machines ) on a different partition , but perform the installation while in windows .
So that you load windows , run an ubuntu installer , restart and see a bootloader that lets you load into ubuntu on a brand new partition.But mister darthwader above explained why this is difficult to achieve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I understand this correctly, Wubi runs as an application in the windows environment, which means it still has all the windows bloat in it and then it adds the Ubuntu kernel on top of all that.I was hoping that one could install a separate version of Ubuntu that runs directly on the hardware (i.e., no virtual machines) on a different partition, but perform the installation while in windows.
So that you load windows, run an ubuntu installer, restart and see a bootloader that lets you load into ubuntu on a brand new partition.But mister darthwader above explained why this is difficult to achieve.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876685</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876025</id>
	<title>This once again proves the old adage...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1256589060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Freedom isn't free"...</p><p>(It costs $1.05...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Freedom is n't free " ... ( It costs $ 1.05... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Freedom isn't free"...(It costs $1.05...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29876101</id>
	<title>Gee....</title>
	<author>Hasai</author>
	<datestamp>1256589360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....What a wonderful problem to have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....What a wonderful problem to have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....What a wonderful problem to have.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875313</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.  Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs .
Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to sound snarky...but the free ISOs were great for those who were not saavy enough to burn their own CDs.
Then again...most of these people might not like Linux since its not totally moron proof.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29881623</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256636580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because Microsoft likes to give people a choice, rather than forcing hundreds of sub-standard apps that all do (a poor job at) the same thing. But it's nice to see you promote increasing pre-installed Linux bloatware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because Microsoft likes to give people a choice , rather than forcing hundreds of sub-standard apps that all do ( a poor job at ) the same thing .
But it 's nice to see you promote increasing pre-installed Linux bloatware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because Microsoft likes to give people a choice, rather than forcing hundreds of sub-standard apps that all do (a poor job at) the same thing.
But it's nice to see you promote increasing pre-installed Linux bloatware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29877599</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>urnbuckets</author>
	<datestamp>1256552400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow really, giving away things that cost money isn't a sensible business model?

I kid!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow really , giving away things that cost money is n't a sensible business model ?
I kid !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow really, giving away things that cost money isn't a sensible business model?
I kid!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875337</id>
	<title>Re:Oh no.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not at all. You can still get <a href="http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46168/indows\_7\_Beta\_1\_32\_Bit-\_cdcovers\_cc\_-cd1\_\_1\_.jpg" title="maximumpc.com" rel="nofollow">these</a> [maximumpc.com] for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not at all .
You can still get these [ maximumpc.com ] for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not at all.
You can still get these [maximumpc.com] for free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29879037</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu or Debian?</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1256560260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You just suggested the opposite of what he wanted... Gentoo is <i>great</i> if you want to learn a whole lot about Linux fast, because you're going to have to know to get it working.</p><p>Yes, the community is great. I'm very happy with the time I spent on Gentoo but I wouldn't recommend it except for two cases - support of hardware from the bleeding edge kernel branches (the original reason I used it was for TV tuners), and learning a lot about the innards of Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You just suggested the opposite of what he wanted... Gentoo is great if you want to learn a whole lot about Linux fast , because you 're going to have to know to get it working.Yes , the community is great .
I 'm very happy with the time I spent on Gentoo but I would n't recommend it except for two cases - support of hardware from the bleeding edge kernel branches ( the original reason I used it was for TV tuners ) , and learning a lot about the innards of Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just suggested the opposite of what he wanted... Gentoo is great if you want to learn a whole lot about Linux fast, because you're going to have to know to get it working.Yes, the community is great.
I'm very happy with the time I spent on Gentoo but I wouldn't recommend it except for two cases - support of hardware from the bleeding edge kernel branches (the original reason I used it was for TV tuners), and learning a lot about the innards of Linux.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875669</id>
	<title>Re:Make available via outloets like Netflicks?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256587380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is an excellent idea. Make it so.</p><p>1. Put Ubuntu on Netflix.<br>2. Advertise "add Ubuntu to your Netflix queue!" during the super bowl.<br>3. Gain 1e6 new users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an excellent idea .
Make it so.1 .
Put Ubuntu on Netflix.2 .
Advertise " add Ubuntu to your Netflix queue !
" during the super bowl.3 .
Gain 1e6 new users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an excellent idea.
Make it so.1.
Put Ubuntu on Netflix.2.
Advertise "add Ubuntu to your Netflix queue!
" during the super bowl.3.
Gain 1e6 new users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875499</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875413</id>
	<title>Stickers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But then... where will we get our stickers?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But then... where will we get our stickers ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then... where will we get our stickers?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_26_1536252.29875587</id>
	<title>Re:Well just download the ISO.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256586840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always downloaded the, but I also wanted a CD with the ubuntu look to it this time. Oh well, guess it's back to burned copies and uNetbootin for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always downloaded the , but I also wanted a CD with the ubuntu look to it this time .
Oh well , guess it 's back to burned copies and uNetbootin for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always downloaded the, but I also wanted a CD with the ubuntu look to it this time.
Oh well, guess it's back to burned copies and uNetbootin for me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Bandwidth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256584980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>With available bandwidth, this isnt surprising.  At least it is still free to those who havent received a disc in the past.</p><p>I've never had much trouble downloading it and burning it for friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With available bandwidth , this isnt surprising .
At least it is still free to those who havent received a disc in the past.I 've never had much trouble downloading it and burning it for friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With available bandwidth, this isnt surprising.
At least it is still free to those who havent received a disc in the past.I've never had much trouble downloading it and burning it for friends.</sentencetext>
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