<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_25_1615203</id>
	<title>Low-Power Home Linux Server?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1256490660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>mpol writes <i>"For years I've been using a home server with Linux, but recently I've been having doubts about the electric bill. I'm not touched by the recession yet, but I would like to cut costs, and going from a 100-Watt system to a 30-Watt system would save me 70 bucks a year. The system doesn't need to do much, just apache, imap, ssh and some nfs, but I do prefer to have a full-fledged system, where I can choose what to install on it. I also don't really care if it's a low-power Via or an ARM processor as long as it's cheap. I'm aiming for $300 or less for a full system, which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings. I've been reading about the Western Digital Mybook World Edition, which has an ARM processor but isn't that easy to install Debian on. A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts, so that isn't an option either. Something a bit more than turn-key would be fine, but preferably not a complete hack-job. Adding a temporary CR-ROM or DVD-ROM, or a USB disk with an iso to install from would be nice. Any Slashdotters run nice and cheap low-power Linux systems? What can you recommend?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mpol writes " For years I 've been using a home server with Linux , but recently I 've been having doubts about the electric bill .
I 'm not touched by the recession yet , but I would like to cut costs , and going from a 100-Watt system to a 30-Watt system would save me 70 bucks a year .
The system does n't need to do much , just apache , imap , ssh and some nfs , but I do prefer to have a full-fledged system , where I can choose what to install on it .
I also do n't really care if it 's a low-power Via or an ARM processor as long as it 's cheap .
I 'm aiming for $ 300 or less for a full system , which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings .
I 've been reading about the Western Digital Mybook World Edition , which has an ARM processor but is n't that easy to install Debian on .
A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts , so that is n't an option either .
Something a bit more than turn-key would be fine , but preferably not a complete hack-job .
Adding a temporary CR-ROM or DVD-ROM , or a USB disk with an iso to install from would be nice .
Any Slashdotters run nice and cheap low-power Linux systems ?
What can you recommend ?
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<sentencetext>mpol writes "For years I've been using a home server with Linux, but recently I've been having doubts about the electric bill.
I'm not touched by the recession yet, but I would like to cut costs, and going from a 100-Watt system to a 30-Watt system would save me 70 bucks a year.
The system doesn't need to do much, just apache, imap, ssh and some nfs, but I do prefer to have a full-fledged system, where I can choose what to install on it.
I also don't really care if it's a low-power Via or an ARM processor as long as it's cheap.
I'm aiming for $300 or less for a full system, which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings.
I've been reading about the Western Digital Mybook World Edition, which has an ARM processor but isn't that easy to install Debian on.
A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts, so that isn't an option either.
Something a bit more than turn-key would be fine, but preferably not a complete hack-job.
Adding a temporary CR-ROM or DVD-ROM, or a USB disk with an iso to install from would be nice.
Any Slashdotters run nice and cheap low-power Linux systems?
What can you recommend?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867879</id>
	<title>My Experiences with a VIA-C7-D and OpenSuse</title>
	<author>andrew cooke</author>
	<datestamp>1256475000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I am probably too late to be noticed, but for what it's worth I did exactly this.  My notes are here - <a href="http://www.acooke.org/cute/SystemRefa0.html" title="acooke.org">http://www.acooke.org/cute/SystemRefa0.html</a> [acooke.org]</p><p>In short: it works just fine, and sits (moderately quietly) in the corner, doing its thing.  However, the processor is not really fast enough for desktop, so installing and getting everything working was a little frustrating.  Also, that chip doesn't have automatic throttling support in Linux so I have a bit of a hack (see link).  And the original fan was small and noisy, so I replaced it with a 120mm one.</p><p>My electricity bill dropped by about 1/3 since my main machine, which I use during the day for development work, is off for over half the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I am probably too late to be noticed , but for what it 's worth I did exactly this .
My notes are here - http : //www.acooke.org/cute/SystemRefa0.html [ acooke.org ] In short : it works just fine , and sits ( moderately quietly ) in the corner , doing its thing .
However , the processor is not really fast enough for desktop , so installing and getting everything working was a little frustrating .
Also , that chip does n't have automatic throttling support in Linux so I have a bit of a hack ( see link ) .
And the original fan was small and noisy , so I replaced it with a 120mm one.My electricity bill dropped by about 1/3 since my main machine , which I use during the day for development work , is off for over half the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I am probably too late to be noticed, but for what it's worth I did exactly this.
My notes are here - http://www.acooke.org/cute/SystemRefa0.html [acooke.org]In short: it works just fine, and sits (moderately quietly) in the corner, doing its thing.
However, the processor is not really fast enough for desktop, so installing and getting everything working was a little frustrating.
Also, that chip doesn't have automatic throttling support in Linux so I have a bit of a hack (see link).
And the original fan was small and noisy, so I replaced it with a 120mm one.My electricity bill dropped by about 1/3 since my main machine, which I use during the day for development work, is off for over half the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866207</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1256499840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device?</p></div></blockquote><p>Absolutely TERRIBLE, no question about it.  You'll get much better performance out of the oldest system you can snag off ebay for $20.</p><p>Even if you get one for free, I would recomend NOT using it.  They made some of the most horrendous design decision ever.  First is vastly underpowering the system.  Second is giving it anything more than 10BaseT networking, and advertising it as if there's a snowball's chance in hell it'll be able to utilize it...  Third, is not providing ANY WAY for the end user to access the underlying system, so when the array gets completely hosed for no reason (and it will!  No question.) you can't get in, anywhere, to fix anything, and only a hacked firmware image will save you...  Fourth and perhaps most significantly, is cheaping-out on $1 worth of flash, and instead storing the OS image on the HDDs, leaving it vulnerable to data corruption, and a huge pain in the ass to bootstrap with fresh drives (requiring Windows, or at least WINE to run the firmware updater app).</p><p>I posted on a forum somewhere about all the typos I found in the firmware of my unit...  "ehco" is a good extensive one in the software-raid scripts, ensuring nobody can actually get the reports of a few specific errors, should they occur.  And this is in a commercial product.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What 's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device ? Absolutely TERRIBLE , no question about it .
You 'll get much better performance out of the oldest system you can snag off ebay for $ 20.Even if you get one for free , I would recomend NOT using it .
They made some of the most horrendous design decision ever .
First is vastly underpowering the system .
Second is giving it anything more than 10BaseT networking , and advertising it as if there 's a snowball 's chance in hell it 'll be able to utilize it... Third , is not providing ANY WAY for the end user to access the underlying system , so when the array gets completely hosed for no reason ( and it will !
No question .
) you ca n't get in , anywhere , to fix anything , and only a hacked firmware image will save you... Fourth and perhaps most significantly , is cheaping-out on $ 1 worth of flash , and instead storing the OS image on the HDDs , leaving it vulnerable to data corruption , and a huge pain in the ass to bootstrap with fresh drives ( requiring Windows , or at least WINE to run the firmware updater app ) .I posted on a forum somewhere about all the typos I found in the firmware of my unit... " ehco " is a good extensive one in the software-raid scripts , ensuring nobody can actually get the reports of a few specific errors , should they occur .
And this is in a commercial product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device?Absolutely TERRIBLE, no question about it.
You'll get much better performance out of the oldest system you can snag off ebay for $20.Even if you get one for free, I would recomend NOT using it.
They made some of the most horrendous design decision ever.
First is vastly underpowering the system.
Second is giving it anything more than 10BaseT networking, and advertising it as if there's a snowball's chance in hell it'll be able to utilize it...  Third, is not providing ANY WAY for the end user to access the underlying system, so when the array gets completely hosed for no reason (and it will!
No question.
) you can't get in, anywhere, to fix anything, and only a hacked firmware image will save you...  Fourth and perhaps most significantly, is cheaping-out on $1 worth of flash, and instead storing the OS image on the HDDs, leaving it vulnerable to data corruption, and a huge pain in the ass to bootstrap with fresh drives (requiring Windows, or at least WINE to run the firmware updater app).I posted on a forum somewhere about all the typos I found in the firmware of my unit...  "ehco" is a good extensive one in the software-raid scripts, ensuring nobody can actually get the reports of a few specific errors, should they occur.
And this is in a commercial product.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870133</id>
	<title>Laptop</title>
	<author>mac1235</author>
	<datestamp>1256550120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought my wife a new laptop, upgraded the hard drive in her old one and used that.  Works well!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my wife a new laptop , upgraded the hard drive in her old one and used that .
Works well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my wife a new laptop, upgraded the hard drive in her old one and used that.
Works well!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866083</id>
	<title>Re:Marvell Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256499120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theres's also the OpenRD platform from Marvell: http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/openrd.jsp (If you want something a bit more connectable)</p><p>Personally I use one of these for home lower power duties: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact\_sheet/MPC8315ERDBFS.pdf  But this may be a little drastic for geek/joe as a reasonable amount of software/embedded skill is required to work with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theres 's also the OpenRD platform from Marvell : http : //www.marvell.com/products/embedded \ _processors/developer/kirkwood/openrd.jsp ( If you want something a bit more connectable ) Personally I use one of these for home lower power duties : http : //www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact \ _sheet/MPC8315ERDBFS.pdf But this may be a little drastic for geek/joe as a reasonable amount of software/embedded skill is required to work with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theres's also the OpenRD platform from Marvell: http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/openrd.jsp (If you want something a bit more connectable)Personally I use one of these for home lower power duties: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact\_sheet/MPC8315ERDBFS.pdf  But this may be a little drastic for geek/joe as a reasonable amount of software/embedded skill is required to work with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866451</id>
	<title>Re:Marvell Sheevaplug</title>
	<author>drb\_chimaera</author>
	<datestamp>1256501880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've just recently bought one of these - I've not done much more than install Debian and a LAMP server on it thus far but have come away thoroughly impressed with the kit. All the magical incantations you need to a) set the device up to boot from SD card and b) install debian to said SD card can be found <a href="http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html" title="cyrius.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [cyrius.com]. In my case I needed to follow the instructions to update the u-boot system on the plug, but I presume by now they are shipping with the updated ROM in place.</p><p>Long term I intend to offload torrenting and streaming duties to the plug, attaching it to a NAS for storage... I have a few other ideas in mind additional to this, which may or may not require additional plugs, but at a cost of around &pound;90 it's no great hardship<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just recently bought one of these - I 've not done much more than install Debian and a LAMP server on it thus far but have come away thoroughly impressed with the kit .
All the magical incantations you need to a ) set the device up to boot from SD card and b ) install debian to said SD card can be found here [ cyrius.com ] .
In my case I needed to follow the instructions to update the u-boot system on the plug , but I presume by now they are shipping with the updated ROM in place.Long term I intend to offload torrenting and streaming duties to the plug , attaching it to a NAS for storage... I have a few other ideas in mind additional to this , which may or may not require additional plugs , but at a cost of around   90 it 's no great hardship : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just recently bought one of these - I've not done much more than install Debian and a LAMP server on it thus far but have come away thoroughly impressed with the kit.
All the magical incantations you need to a) set the device up to boot from SD card and b) install debian to said SD card can be found here [cyrius.com].
In my case I needed to follow the instructions to update the u-boot system on the plug, but I presume by now they are shipping with the updated ROM in place.Long term I intend to offload torrenting and streaming duties to the plug, attaching it to a NAS for storage... I have a few other ideas in mind additional to this, which may or may not require additional plugs, but at a cost of around £90 it's no great hardship :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868993</id>
	<title>Buffalo Linkstation pro</title>
	<author>effzee25</author>
	<datestamp>1256490480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically a 600Mhz ARM NAS with linux (2.6.16 kernel iirc) preinstalled. By default the Linux is locked down so that it can only be accessed through Buffalo's WEB UI (driven by the onboard apache server)</p><p>There are straightforward instructions for unlocking the onboard Linux at buffalo.nas-central.org. I've done this and it works like a charm, everything accessed through ssh. Great for running torrents, apache, rsync etc.. on a nice low power box (11W iirc).</p><p>Best advice is pick up a cheap one on ebay (250G model) then upgrade the drive to a 1+TB unit. I've done this with 2 units.</p><p>Without a doubt this is one of the cheapest, simplest and most low power way to get a linux server going. If you want a more feature rich linux distro there are options to install on the buffalos but I've found unlocking the inbuilt linux to be more than sufficient.</p><p>
fz<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically a 600Mhz ARM NAS with linux ( 2.6.16 kernel iirc ) preinstalled .
By default the Linux is locked down so that it can only be accessed through Buffalo 's WEB UI ( driven by the onboard apache server ) There are straightforward instructions for unlocking the onboard Linux at buffalo.nas-central.org .
I 've done this and it works like a charm , everything accessed through ssh .
Great for running torrents , apache , rsync etc.. on a nice low power box ( 11W iirc ) .Best advice is pick up a cheap one on ebay ( 250G model ) then upgrade the drive to a 1 + TB unit .
I 've done this with 2 units.Without a doubt this is one of the cheapest , simplest and most low power way to get a linux server going .
If you want a more feature rich linux distro there are options to install on the buffalos but I 've found unlocking the inbuilt linux to be more than sufficient .
fz : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically a 600Mhz ARM NAS with linux (2.6.16 kernel iirc) preinstalled.
By default the Linux is locked down so that it can only be accessed through Buffalo's WEB UI (driven by the onboard apache server)There are straightforward instructions for unlocking the onboard Linux at buffalo.nas-central.org.
I've done this and it works like a charm, everything accessed through ssh.
Great for running torrents, apache, rsync etc.. on a nice low power box (11W iirc).Best advice is pick up a cheap one on ebay (250G model) then upgrade the drive to a 1+TB unit.
I've done this with 2 units.Without a doubt this is one of the cheapest, simplest and most low power way to get a linux server going.
If you want a more feature rich linux distro there are options to install on the buffalos but I've found unlocking the inbuilt linux to be more than sufficient.
fz :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867543</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>arth1</author>
	<datestamp>1256470620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If reliability isn't a concern, he's not looking for a server, but likely a crash-and-burn NAS device.  So I'd start looking there, and not at servers.</p><p>I just built another home server, to replace an old one that had become too tedious to support, as most stores no longer sold compatible hardware.  And, yes, power consumption was a concern, along with price.<br>I ended up with a system with 4 WD "green" (sales pitch speak for 5400 rpm) drives in RAID 10, and a Core 2 Quad S series CPU (which are far more frugal with power than their non-S counterparts).<br>Reasonable performance, reasonable costs, reasonable predicted reliability, and it's far more power frugal than the old system it replaced.  But no, it wasn't under $300 -- that, I don't think you can get without ditching the minimum reliability/resilience requirements that servers IMHO should have.<br>$300 is what I recommend spending on a couple of good UPSes for the server...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If reliability is n't a concern , he 's not looking for a server , but likely a crash-and-burn NAS device .
So I 'd start looking there , and not at servers.I just built another home server , to replace an old one that had become too tedious to support , as most stores no longer sold compatible hardware .
And , yes , power consumption was a concern , along with price.I ended up with a system with 4 WD " green " ( sales pitch speak for 5400 rpm ) drives in RAID 10 , and a Core 2 Quad S series CPU ( which are far more frugal with power than their non-S counterparts ) .Reasonable performance , reasonable costs , reasonable predicted reliability , and it 's far more power frugal than the old system it replaced .
But no , it was n't under $ 300 -- that , I do n't think you can get without ditching the minimum reliability/resilience requirements that servers IMHO should have. $ 300 is what I recommend spending on a couple of good UPSes for the server.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If reliability isn't a concern, he's not looking for a server, but likely a crash-and-burn NAS device.
So I'd start looking there, and not at servers.I just built another home server, to replace an old one that had become too tedious to support, as most stores no longer sold compatible hardware.
And, yes, power consumption was a concern, along with price.I ended up with a system with 4 WD "green" (sales pitch speak for 5400 rpm) drives in RAID 10, and a Core 2 Quad S series CPU (which are far more frugal with power than their non-S counterparts).Reasonable performance, reasonable costs, reasonable predicted reliability, and it's far more power frugal than the old system it replaced.
But no, it wasn't under $300 -- that, I don't think you can get without ditching the minimum reliability/resilience requirements that servers IMHO should have.$300 is what I recommend spending on a couple of good UPSes for the server...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869873</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256589720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I love the Mini but I think it's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this. A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need, older ones don't. The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use.</p></div><p>Care to give any specifics on why you think this is the case?</p><p>Just curious, because recently, I've been getting news on people that seriously use Mac Minis as servers (<a href="http://www.macminicolo.net/macmini.html" title="macminicolo.net">Mac mini Colocation.net</a> [macminicolo.net]) and Apple now also offers an installation of OS X Server on their build-to-order Mac Mini pages.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I love the Mini but I think it 's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this .
A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need , older ones do n't .
The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use.Care to give any specifics on why you think this is the case ? Just curious , because recently , I 've been getting news on people that seriously use Mac Minis as servers ( Mac mini Colocation.net [ macminicolo.net ] ) and Apple now also offers an installation of OS X Server on their build-to-order Mac Mini pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the Mini but I think it's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this.
A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need, older ones don't.
The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use.Care to give any specifics on why you think this is the case?Just curious, because recently, I've been getting news on people that seriously use Mac Minis as servers (Mac mini Colocation.net [macminicolo.net]) and Apple now also offers an installation of OS X Server on their build-to-order Mac Mini pages.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865757</id>
	<title>Tranquil Barebones Server</title>
	<author>harakh</author>
	<datestamp>1256496780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm planning on getting one of these:</p><p><a href="http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE\_SERVERS.html" title="tranquilpc-shop.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE\_SERVERS.html</a> [tranquilpc-shop.co.uk]</p><p>5 drive-bays, Dual-core Atom, 2GB RAM, nice and silent etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm planning on getting one of these : http : //www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE \ _SERVERS.html [ tranquilpc-shop.co.uk ] 5 drive-bays , Dual-core Atom , 2GB RAM , nice and silent etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm planning on getting one of these:http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE\_SERVERS.html [tranquilpc-shop.co.uk]5 drive-bays, Dual-core Atom, 2GB RAM, nice and silent etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870109</id>
	<title>Re:Atom 330 Desktop/Server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256549820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought an Asrock ION 330 as homeserver a few months ago. I installed Debian Lenny on it without any problems. Standard install and everything is working fine. Power consumption is 23.7 W, measured with a power meter attached to the power plug. The box costed me about 250 Euros</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Asrock ION 330 as homeserver a few months ago .
I installed Debian Lenny on it without any problems .
Standard install and everything is working fine .
Power consumption is 23.7 W , measured with a power meter attached to the power plug .
The box costed me about 250 Euros</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Asrock ION 330 as homeserver a few months ago.
I installed Debian Lenny on it without any problems.
Standard install and everything is working fine.
Power consumption is 23.7 W, measured with a power meter attached to the power plug.
The box costed me about 250 Euros</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868465</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256482980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what kind of power you're looking for, but I run debian with apache, imap, ssh, nfs, and cups on a Linksys NSLU2 with an external USB drive. It ain't lightning quick, but it does a great job, is REALLY inexpensive and only draws ~8 watts of power. (note: this system requires a simple hardware and software hack)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... cheers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what kind of power you 're looking for , but I run debian with apache , imap , ssh , nfs , and cups on a Linksys NSLU2 with an external USB drive .
It ai n't lightning quick , but it does a great job , is REALLY inexpensive and only draws ~ 8 watts of power .
( note : this system requires a simple hardware and software hack ) ... cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what kind of power you're looking for, but I run debian with apache, imap, ssh, nfs, and cups on a Linksys NSLU2 with an external USB drive.
It ain't lightning quick, but it does a great job, is REALLY inexpensive and only draws ~8 watts of power.
(note: this system requires a simple hardware and software hack) ... cheers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865819</id>
	<title>Router + HDD</title>
	<author>CooKiEz</author>
	<datestamp>1256497200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use an Asus WL500-W router with an attached 1TB USB drive. The router costs under $100 and uses 10 watts. You can install Linux on it by uploading new firmware (I use DD-WRT). It runs torrents at all times, with QoS during the day, as well as an nzb client. Apache and Samba are installed and my XP laptop has no issues talking to either of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use an Asus WL500-W router with an attached 1TB USB drive .
The router costs under $ 100 and uses 10 watts .
You can install Linux on it by uploading new firmware ( I use DD-WRT ) .
It runs torrents at all times , with QoS during the day , as well as an nzb client .
Apache and Samba are installed and my XP laptop has no issues talking to either of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use an Asus WL500-W router with an attached 1TB USB drive.
The router costs under $100 and uses 10 watts.
You can install Linux on it by uploading new firmware (I use DD-WRT).
It runs torrents at all times, with QoS during the day, as well as an nzb client.
Apache and Samba are installed and my XP laptop has no issues talking to either of them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865699</id>
	<title>ASROCK ION 330 NETTOP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASROCK ION 330 NETTOP<br>All in One ITX small factor PC. Takes only 30W of power. Some specs:<br>- dual core Intel Atom 330 CPU (1.6GHz)<br>- 2GB RAM, 320GB HDD, DVD, 1000BaseT ethernet<br>- Nvidia ION chipest + HDMI out makes it ideal also for multimedia</p><p>I'm using it as HTPC (Home Theater PC) running Ubuntu Linux + XBMC, but it can be good also as file server.</p><p>I have also some other devices described in this thread (EEE netbook, WRT54G router, DLINK NAS) but in most cases they have disadvantages like: i386 incompatibility, impossible to run mainstream linux distribution, CPUs and system boards are not powerful enough</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASROCK ION 330 NETTOPAll in One ITX small factor PC .
Takes only 30W of power .
Some specs : - dual core Intel Atom 330 CPU ( 1.6GHz ) - 2GB RAM , 320GB HDD , DVD , 1000BaseT ethernet- Nvidia ION chipest + HDMI out makes it ideal also for multimediaI 'm using it as HTPC ( Home Theater PC ) running Ubuntu Linux + XBMC , but it can be good also as file server.I have also some other devices described in this thread ( EEE netbook , WRT54G router , DLINK NAS ) but in most cases they have disadvantages like : i386 incompatibility , impossible to run mainstream linux distribution , CPUs and system boards are not powerful enough</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASROCK ION 330 NETTOPAll in One ITX small factor PC.
Takes only 30W of power.
Some specs:- dual core Intel Atom 330 CPU (1.6GHz)- 2GB RAM, 320GB HDD, DVD, 1000BaseT ethernet- Nvidia ION chipest + HDMI out makes it ideal also for multimediaI'm using it as HTPC (Home Theater PC) running Ubuntu Linux + XBMC, but it can be good also as file server.I have also some other devices described in this thread (EEE netbook, WRT54G router, DLINK NAS) but in most cases they have disadvantages like: i386 incompatibility, impossible to run mainstream linux distribution, CPUs and system boards are not powerful enough</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866299</id>
	<title>Do what datacenters do</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1256500500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Virtualize. If you're anything like me, you have a public web server, a NAS, and a development Linux box. Now obviously you don't want your public web server having any access to your NAS, and you don't want your dev box to be able to screw up either. At the same time, you don't want to have three separate boxes, either. So what do you do? You get a fairly low-end dual core AMD box with lots of RAM (do yourself a favor - get ECC ram, on AMD it doesn't cost that much extra), download and install VMWare ESXi, and run all three machines on one set of hardware. Your idle power draw will be at around 40 watts or so, more than that if you stuff half a dozen hard drives in it (for the thick, juicy, FreeBSD based ZFS NAS), but still WAY less than the power draw of three separate machines. And you don't have to recompile and install everything by hand. And if you need another box, spontaneously, you can just provision yet another VM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virtualize .
If you 're anything like me , you have a public web server , a NAS , and a development Linux box .
Now obviously you do n't want your public web server having any access to your NAS , and you do n't want your dev box to be able to screw up either .
At the same time , you do n't want to have three separate boxes , either .
So what do you do ?
You get a fairly low-end dual core AMD box with lots of RAM ( do yourself a favor - get ECC ram , on AMD it does n't cost that much extra ) , download and install VMWare ESXi , and run all three machines on one set of hardware .
Your idle power draw will be at around 40 watts or so , more than that if you stuff half a dozen hard drives in it ( for the thick , juicy , FreeBSD based ZFS NAS ) , but still WAY less than the power draw of three separate machines .
And you do n't have to recompile and install everything by hand .
And if you need another box , spontaneously , you can just provision yet another VM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virtualize.
If you're anything like me, you have a public web server, a NAS, and a development Linux box.
Now obviously you don't want your public web server having any access to your NAS, and you don't want your dev box to be able to screw up either.
At the same time, you don't want to have three separate boxes, either.
So what do you do?
You get a fairly low-end dual core AMD box with lots of RAM (do yourself a favor - get ECC ram, on AMD it doesn't cost that much extra), download and install VMWare ESXi, and run all three machines on one set of hardware.
Your idle power draw will be at around 40 watts or so, more than that if you stuff half a dozen hard drives in it (for the thick, juicy, FreeBSD based ZFS NAS), but still WAY less than the power draw of three separate machines.
And you don't have to recompile and install everything by hand.
And if you need another box, spontaneously, you can just provision yet another VM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865765</id>
	<title>NSLU2</title>
	<author>idsfa</author>
	<datestamp>1256496840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">NSLU2</a> [wikipedia.org] can be upgraded to debian through purely software upgrades.  The power supply tops out at 10W.

I use one with a 1GB flash drive for web, ssh and file serving (though I use sftp rather than nfs).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also the NSLU2 [ wikipedia.org ] can be upgraded to debian through purely software upgrades .
The power supply tops out at 10W .
I use one with a 1GB flash drive for web , ssh and file serving ( though I use sftp rather than nfs ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also the NSLU2 [wikipedia.org] can be upgraded to debian through purely software upgrades.
The power supply tops out at 10W.
I use one with a 1GB flash drive for web, ssh and file serving (though I use sftp rather than nfs).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866297</id>
	<title>Mybook World</title>
	<author>Cili</author>
	<datestamp>1256500440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Mybook World with Debian Lenny. Installing it was not a problem.</p><p>The processor and memory are really low, but you can have a torrent client or podcatcher.</p><p>I currently have a problem with oom-killer and 15G+ torrents but otherwise it's a great little system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Mybook World with Debian Lenny .
Installing it was not a problem.The processor and memory are really low , but you can have a torrent client or podcatcher.I currently have a problem with oom-killer and 15G + torrents but otherwise it 's a great little system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Mybook World with Debian Lenny.
Installing it was not a problem.The processor and memory are really low, but you can have a torrent client or podcatcher.I currently have a problem with oom-killer and 15G+ torrents but otherwise it's a great little system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867469</id>
	<title>Netbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256469660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a cheap netbook and a USB hub. Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a cheap netbook and a USB hub .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a cheap netbook and a USB hub.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865527</id>
	<title>Via Epia 5000</title>
	<author>robertkeizer</author>
	<datestamp>1256494980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just finished setting up a via epia 5000 - it maxes out at 20watts power and runs a 533mhz cpu. It retails for about $100 US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just finished setting up a via epia 5000 - it maxes out at 20watts power and runs a 533mhz cpu .
It retails for about $ 100 US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just finished setting up a via epia 5000 - it maxes out at 20watts power and runs a 533mhz cpu.
It retails for about $100 US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866995</id>
	<title>Think about what you *really* need...</title>
	<author>aaamr</author>
	<datestamp>1256463840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am in a similar situation... but over the years, I find I am doing less "server" things at home and much prefer to outsource basic functionality like email.</p><p>I used to run my own in house email, web sites, etc... but now use google apps for my domain for most of that.</p><p>I have found a simple QNAP NAS device serves my file sharing (NFS, etc...) needs quite well, and it draws much less power than a full fledged server.</p><p>VMWare or some other virtual machine environment and a lightweight linux distro like Crux serves my needs very well when I need to do some shell scripting or other activities for which a linux environment is necessary.</p><p>In short, over the years as I have used my home environment as a learning and testing environment, I have found the need to run a true server environment has lessened, allowing me more time to focus on other things.</p><p>I used to be a sysadmin at work... and found that I didn't want to be one at home as well!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am in a similar situation... but over the years , I find I am doing less " server " things at home and much prefer to outsource basic functionality like email.I used to run my own in house email , web sites , etc... but now use google apps for my domain for most of that.I have found a simple QNAP NAS device serves my file sharing ( NFS , etc... ) needs quite well , and it draws much less power than a full fledged server.VMWare or some other virtual machine environment and a lightweight linux distro like Crux serves my needs very well when I need to do some shell scripting or other activities for which a linux environment is necessary.In short , over the years as I have used my home environment as a learning and testing environment , I have found the need to run a true server environment has lessened , allowing me more time to focus on other things.I used to be a sysadmin at work... and found that I did n't want to be one at home as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am in a similar situation... but over the years, I find I am doing less "server" things at home and much prefer to outsource basic functionality like email.I used to run my own in house email, web sites, etc... but now use google apps for my domain for most of that.I have found a simple QNAP NAS device serves my file sharing (NFS, etc...) needs quite well, and it draws much less power than a full fledged server.VMWare or some other virtual machine environment and a lightweight linux distro like Crux serves my needs very well when I need to do some shell scripting or other activities for which a linux environment is necessary.In short, over the years as I have used my home environment as a learning and testing environment, I have found the need to run a true server environment has lessened, allowing me more time to focus on other things.I used to be a sysadmin at work... and found that I didn't want to be one at home as well!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</id>
	<title>Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm working on getting a <a href="http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/linkstation-pro-duo" title="buffalotech.com">Buffalo Linkstation Pro Duo</a> [buffalotech.com] set up with Debian Lenny. It's mostly complete, I'm rebuilding the kernel as I type to get USB printer support working. It's very compact and low-power, and has mirrored 500 GB disks, which I think is essential for any home server.</p><p>The downside is that I had to solder on a serial connection in order to get access to uboot (a bootloader similar in concept to GRUB) so I could view early kernel output and diagnose problems, log in if networking didn't come up, etc. If you can find a NAS device which supports a serial console (or at least can use netcat instead), that would be good.</p><p>One thing to be aware of is that you get a lot less CPU power with these low-watt ARM CPUs. The Linkstation Duo is great for fileserving, printing, and light email and webserving duties, but when I installed Gallery and postgres to view my photos over the web, it ran extremely slowly. That's not too surprising given it's a NAS not a full-fledged server, but it's something to keep in mind. You may only need a low-power device for 90\% of your apps, but that last 10\% can use a surprising amount of CPU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm working on getting a Buffalo Linkstation Pro Duo [ buffalotech.com ] set up with Debian Lenny .
It 's mostly complete , I 'm rebuilding the kernel as I type to get USB printer support working .
It 's very compact and low-power , and has mirrored 500 GB disks , which I think is essential for any home server.The downside is that I had to solder on a serial connection in order to get access to uboot ( a bootloader similar in concept to GRUB ) so I could view early kernel output and diagnose problems , log in if networking did n't come up , etc .
If you can find a NAS device which supports a serial console ( or at least can use netcat instead ) , that would be good.One thing to be aware of is that you get a lot less CPU power with these low-watt ARM CPUs .
The Linkstation Duo is great for fileserving , printing , and light email and webserving duties , but when I installed Gallery and postgres to view my photos over the web , it ran extremely slowly .
That 's not too surprising given it 's a NAS not a full-fledged server , but it 's something to keep in mind .
You may only need a low-power device for 90 \ % of your apps , but that last 10 \ % can use a surprising amount of CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm working on getting a Buffalo Linkstation Pro Duo [buffalotech.com] set up with Debian Lenny.
It's mostly complete, I'm rebuilding the kernel as I type to get USB printer support working.
It's very compact and low-power, and has mirrored 500 GB disks, which I think is essential for any home server.The downside is that I had to solder on a serial connection in order to get access to uboot (a bootloader similar in concept to GRUB) so I could view early kernel output and diagnose problems, log in if networking didn't come up, etc.
If you can find a NAS device which supports a serial console (or at least can use netcat instead), that would be good.One thing to be aware of is that you get a lot less CPU power with these low-watt ARM CPUs.
The Linkstation Duo is great for fileserving, printing, and light email and webserving duties, but when I installed Gallery and postgres to view my photos over the web, it ran extremely slowly.
That's not too surprising given it's a NAS not a full-fledged server, but it's something to keep in mind.
You may only need a low-power device for 90\% of your apps, but that last 10\% can use a surprising amount of CPU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865583</id>
	<title>Marvell Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you're after a plug computer ( <a href="http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp" title="marvell.com">http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</a> [marvell.com] ) and just don't know it yet. Super low power, ARM-based system that can (easily)  run debian + an apache stack, along with whatever else (well, within reason) you need. <a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com">http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx</a> [globalscal...logies.com] has it for $99; you can get a European or UK version as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're after a plug computer ( http : //www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [ marvell.com ] ) and just do n't know it yet .
Super low power , ARM-based system that can ( easily ) run debian + an apache stack , along with whatever else ( well , within reason ) you need .
http : //www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx [ globalscal...logies.com ] has it for $ 99 ; you can get a European or UK version as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're after a plug computer ( http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [marvell.com] ) and just don't know it yet.
Super low power, ARM-based system that can (easily)  run debian + an apache stack, along with whatever else (well, within reason) you need.
http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx [globalscal...logies.com] has it for $99; you can get a European or UK version as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871281</id>
	<title>ION</title>
	<author>dmsuperman</author>
	<datestamp>1256565600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take a look at the nvidia ION platform. On newegg you can find a variety of motherboards with built in atom CPUs that require no heatsink fan and HDMI/VGA/DVI output to output to whatever your heart desires. If you can manage to find some of the components laying around your house (perhaps the hard drive) and pick up the case and PSU you could easily accomplish this for under $300. I'm putting together a NAS box using the ikea emu tin as a case and 3x1TB drives for about $360. It'll use about 30-40W, depending on the efficiency of the PSU.

<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;DEPA=0&amp;Order=BESTMATCH&amp;Description=ionitx&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;DEPA=0&amp;Order=BESTMATCH&amp;Description=ionitx&amp;x=0&amp;y=0</a> [newegg.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at the nvidia ION platform .
On newegg you can find a variety of motherboards with built in atom CPUs that require no heatsink fan and HDMI/VGA/DVI output to output to whatever your heart desires .
If you can manage to find some of the components laying around your house ( perhaps the hard drive ) and pick up the case and PSU you could easily accomplish this for under $ 300 .
I 'm putting together a NAS box using the ikea emu tin as a case and 3x1TB drives for about $ 360 .
It 'll use about 30-40W , depending on the efficiency of the PSU .
http : //www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx ? Submit = ENE&amp;DEPA = 0&amp;Order = BESTMATCH&amp;Description = ionitx&amp;x = 0&amp;y = 0 [ newegg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at the nvidia ION platform.
On newegg you can find a variety of motherboards with built in atom CPUs that require no heatsink fan and HDMI/VGA/DVI output to output to whatever your heart desires.
If you can manage to find some of the components laying around your house (perhaps the hard drive) and pick up the case and PSU you could easily accomplish this for under $300.
I'm putting together a NAS box using the ikea emu tin as a case and 3x1TB drives for about $360.
It'll use about 30-40W, depending on the efficiency of the PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;DEPA=0&amp;Order=BESTMATCH&amp;Description=ionitx&amp;x=0&amp;y=0 [newegg.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867995</id>
	<title>Wall wart server</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1256476380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/24/1918217" title="slashdot.org">http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/24/1918217</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Runs linux, 5 watts, $100</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/02/24/1918217 [ slashdot.org ] Runs linux , 5 watts , $ 100</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/24/1918217 [slashdot.org]Runs linux, 5 watts, $100</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865799</id>
	<title>netbook</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1256497080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a fellow who has had a little netbook running as a server for about a year.  I told him he was crazy, since those things weren't designed for 24/7 use, but so far he's proving me wrong.  Will it survive for the 4 years you're looking for?  Ask me in three more years.  I find it amazing that it has done as well as it has so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a fellow who has had a little netbook running as a server for about a year .
I told him he was crazy , since those things were n't designed for 24/7 use , but so far he 's proving me wrong .
Will it survive for the 4 years you 're looking for ?
Ask me in three more years .
I find it amazing that it has done as well as it has so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a fellow who has had a little netbook running as a server for about a year.
I told him he was crazy, since those things weren't designed for 24/7 use, but so far he's proving me wrong.
Will it survive for the 4 years you're looking for?
Ask me in three more years.
I find it amazing that it has done as well as it has so far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869823</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1256588940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it would be closer to $140 a year where I live in the US, and probably most of Europe too.  That's today.  Could skyrocket tomorrow.  Also, the lower power server can hold up much longer on a UPS; has a better chance of riding out an entire power outage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it would be closer to $ 140 a year where I live in the US , and probably most of Europe too .
That 's today .
Could skyrocket tomorrow .
Also , the lower power server can hold up much longer on a UPS ; has a better chance of riding out an entire power outage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it would be closer to $140 a year where I live in the US, and probably most of Europe too.
That's today.
Could skyrocket tomorrow.
Also, the lower power server can hold up much longer on a UPS; has a better chance of riding out an entire power outage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29875257</id>
	<title>low power box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256585340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032</p><p>This is a little bit of an older link, but all you need to add is Memory and HDD.  There might be faster builds now, but you can't beet the price and power consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16856167032This is a little bit of an older link , but all you need to add is Memory and HDD .
There might be faster builds now , but you ca n't beet the price and power consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032This is a little bit of an older link, but all you need to add is Memory and HDD.
There might be faster builds now, but you can't beet the price and power consumption.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29909373</id>
	<title>http://www.tntshoes.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256827080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have I,I am your bright spot Babyphat tracksuit,Adidas Adicolor Shoes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have I,I am your bright spot Babyphat tracksuit,Adidas Adicolor Shoes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have I,I am your bright spot Babyphat tracksuit,Adidas Adicolor Shoes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866091</id>
	<title>Atom</title>
	<author>Bloody Peasant</author>
	<datestamp>1256499180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently bought one of <a href="http://system76.com/product\_info.php?cPath=27&amp;products\_id=95" title="system76.com">these</a> [system76.com] (Meerkat Ion dual core NetTop) and overall I'm fairly pleased with it.  I have not measured how much power it draws, but in terms of low profile and sound level, it's hugely better than its predecessor (a big hulking gazillion-fan Xeon based full size desktop). </p><p>You could save some extra cash by going with the <a href="http://system76.com/product\_info.php?cPath=27&amp;products\_id=91" title="system76.com">lower end model</a> [system76.com] (Atom based).</p><p>In addition to saving money, you get Ubuntu Linux pre-installed, and you support a company that <em>only</em> supplies Linux on its products.</p><p>ObDisclaimer: I have no connection with System76 other than being a satisfied customer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently bought one of these [ system76.com ] ( Meerkat Ion dual core NetTop ) and overall I 'm fairly pleased with it .
I have not measured how much power it draws , but in terms of low profile and sound level , it 's hugely better than its predecessor ( a big hulking gazillion-fan Xeon based full size desktop ) .
You could save some extra cash by going with the lower end model [ system76.com ] ( Atom based ) .In addition to saving money , you get Ubuntu Linux pre-installed , and you support a company that only supplies Linux on its products.ObDisclaimer : I have no connection with System76 other than being a satisfied customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently bought one of these [system76.com] (Meerkat Ion dual core NetTop) and overall I'm fairly pleased with it.
I have not measured how much power it draws, but in terms of low profile and sound level, it's hugely better than its predecessor (a big hulking gazillion-fan Xeon based full size desktop).
You could save some extra cash by going with the lower end model [system76.com] (Atom based).In addition to saving money, you get Ubuntu Linux pre-installed, and you support a company that only supplies Linux on its products.ObDisclaimer: I have no connection with System76 other than being a satisfied customer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867485</id>
	<title>Try an old Dell USFF, like the SX260</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1256469900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have one for operations like print services, occasional recoding, and backup chores. I have another that is the recording end of my digital audio studio. I think I got mine for $60-70 on ebay 2 years ago. Kill-a-watt says ~34W on idle, peaks to 60-65W under full load.  It's a regular old P4-2.4, 512MB RAM, and an IDE laptop drive, and has built in 100bT networking. Nice and small too, though the power brick is hefty.</p><p>If you're looking to save money, consider what is costs to pay for an extra 10W-20W of power over a mini vs. the upfront costs. I figure 131 kWh per year at a 15W average difference. That's right about $10/yr for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have one for operations like print services , occasional recoding , and backup chores .
I have another that is the recording end of my digital audio studio .
I think I got mine for $ 60-70 on ebay 2 years ago .
Kill-a-watt says ~ 34W on idle , peaks to 60-65W under full load .
It 's a regular old P4-2.4 , 512MB RAM , and an IDE laptop drive , and has built in 100bT networking .
Nice and small too , though the power brick is hefty.If you 're looking to save money , consider what is costs to pay for an extra 10W-20W of power over a mini vs. the upfront costs .
I figure 131 kWh per year at a 15W average difference .
That 's right about $ 10/yr for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have one for operations like print services, occasional recoding, and backup chores.
I have another that is the recording end of my digital audio studio.
I think I got mine for $60-70 on ebay 2 years ago.
Kill-a-watt says ~34W on idle, peaks to 60-65W under full load.
It's a regular old P4-2.4, 512MB RAM, and an IDE laptop drive, and has built in 100bT networking.
Nice and small too, though the power brick is hefty.If you're looking to save money, consider what is costs to pay for an extra 10W-20W of power over a mini vs. the upfront costs.
I figure 131 kWh per year at a 15W average difference.
That's right about $10/yr for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29875863</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>koogydelbbog</author>
	<datestamp>1256588220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the checkout box at www.globalscaletechnologies.com lets you get an estimate for shipping. this is what it gave me (posting to London):</p><p>SheevaPlug Dev Kit (UK) &pound;62.17</p><p>Shipping And Tax Estimate<br>Shipping: (FedEx International Priority)    &pound;29.43 (GBP)<br>Tax:    &pound;0.00 (GBP)<br>Total:    &pound;91.60 (GBP)</p><p>but i'm not sure i believe the Tax at 0.00 - i thought anything over &pound;18 or so attracted taxes AND handling fees, some of them very steep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the checkout box at www.globalscaletechnologies.com lets you get an estimate for shipping .
this is what it gave me ( posting to London ) : SheevaPlug Dev Kit ( UK )   62.17Shipping And Tax EstimateShipping : ( FedEx International Priority )   29.43 ( GBP ) Tax :   0.00 ( GBP ) Total :   91.60 ( GBP ) but i 'm not sure i believe the Tax at 0.00 - i thought anything over   18 or so attracted taxes AND handling fees , some of them very steep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the checkout box at www.globalscaletechnologies.com lets you get an estimate for shipping.
this is what it gave me (posting to London):SheevaPlug Dev Kit (UK) £62.17Shipping And Tax EstimateShipping: (FedEx International Priority)    £29.43 (GBP)Tax:    £0.00 (GBP)Total:    £91.60 (GBP)but i'm not sure i believe the Tax at 0.00 - i thought anything over £18 or so attracted taxes AND handling fees, some of them very steep.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867609</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867253</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>Wingsy</author>
	<datestamp>1256466780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better link:</p><p><a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/24/informed\_players\_say\_apples\_mac\_mini\_still\_kickin.html" title="appleinsider.com">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/24/informed\_players\_say\_apples\_mac\_mini\_still\_kickin.html</a> [appleinsider.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better link : http : //www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/24/informed \ _players \ _say \ _apples \ _mac \ _mini \ _still \ _kickin.html [ appleinsider.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better link:http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/24/informed\_players\_say\_apples\_mac\_mini\_still\_kickin.html [appleinsider.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29882337</id>
	<title>accept paypal  jordan 24 shoes ,CL short boot fema</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256649600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; www.tntshoes.com</p><p>we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; All of our product is  best quality, but the price is so cheap, we are selling all  new nike shoes, t-shirt, handbag, hats<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,sunglass.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; we accept paypal as payment service , and offer  free shipping. T-shirt : A&amp;f polo lacoste coogi Bape evisu D&amp;g BBC LRG ed hardy JUICY etc $11-$17free shipping If you are interested please chat with me or email me by , we open a online shipping store, hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached, you will find all we have in our website and the price for them.</p><p>OUR WEBSITE:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  www.tntshoes.comwe are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos .
          All of our product is best quality , but the price is so cheap , we are selling all new nike shoes , t-shirt , handbag , hats ,sunglass .
    we accept paypal as payment service , and offer free shipping .
T-shirt : A&amp;f polo lacoste coogi Bape evisu D&amp;g BBC LRG ed hardy JUICY etc $ 11- $ 17free shipping If you are interested please chat with me or email me by , we open a online shipping store , hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached , you will find all we have in our website and the price for them.OUR WEBSITE :                                                   YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  www.tntshoes.comwe are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos.
          All of our product is  best quality, but the price is so cheap, we are selling all  new nike shoes, t-shirt, handbag, hats ,sunglass.
    we accept paypal as payment service , and offer  free shipping.
T-shirt : A&amp;f polo lacoste coogi Bape evisu D&amp;g BBC LRG ed hardy JUICY etc $11-$17free shipping If you are interested please chat with me or email me by , we open a online shipping store, hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached, you will find all we have in our website and the price for them.OUR WEBSITE:
                                                  YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870595</id>
	<title>Re:Save power in other ways</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1256556840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Replacing with CFLs may not make that much sense actually, at least if you live in an area where you need to heat your home. The "waste" heat from incandescent bulbs goes straight into that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Replacing with CFLs may not make that much sense actually , at least if you live in an area where you need to heat your home .
The " waste " heat from incandescent bulbs goes straight into that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replacing with CFLs may not make that much sense actually, at least if you live in an area where you need to heat your home.
The "waste" heat from incandescent bulbs goes straight into that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865557</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865543</id>
	<title>Atom</title>
	<author>scream at the sky</author>
	<datestamp>1256495040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4933703&amp;CatId=333" title="tigerdirect.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4933703&amp;CatId=333</a> [tigerdirect.ca] <br> <br>
I have a box similar to this one shown, with a pair of 1TB WD Scorpio drives running it, one disk gets used to system partitions and home directories, the other is mounted at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/srv/media. The box provides NFS and SMB shares to 2 desktops, 2 laptops and a Myth TV Box that's hooked up to the 42".<br> <br>
The only thing I haven't been able to do with it so far (time has been a factor, and I haven't been able to research it properly) is DLNA streaming to work properly to the PS3.  Time has been a factor and I haven't really looked that closely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp ? EdpNo = 4933703&amp;CatId = 333 [ tigerdirect.ca ] I have a box similar to this one shown , with a pair of 1TB WD Scorpio drives running it , one disk gets used to system partitions and home directories , the other is mounted at /srv/media .
The box provides NFS and SMB shares to 2 desktops , 2 laptops and a Myth TV Box that 's hooked up to the 42 " .
The only thing I have n't been able to do with it so far ( time has been a factor , and I have n't been able to research it properly ) is DLNA streaming to work properly to the PS3 .
Time has been a factor and I have n't really looked that closely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4933703&amp;CatId=333 [tigerdirect.ca]  
I have a box similar to this one shown, with a pair of 1TB WD Scorpio drives running it, one disk gets used to system partitions and home directories, the other is mounted at /srv/media.
The box provides NFS and SMB shares to 2 desktops, 2 laptops and a Myth TV Box that's hooked up to the 42".
The only thing I haven't been able to do with it so far (time has been a factor, and I haven't been able to research it properly) is DLNA streaming to work properly to the PS3.
Time has been a factor and I haven't really looked that closely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866271</id>
	<title>ALIX on Voyage Linux - 3W at idle</title>
	<author>OpenRemote</author>
	<datestamp>1256500260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The Sheeva Plug mentioned elsewhere is one option.
</p><p>

Another we've had a good experience with are the <a href="http://www.alix-board.de/?gclid=CPT66Kzs2J0CFZaGzAodZz6MGA" title="alix-board.de" rel="nofollow">ALIX boards from PC Engines</a> [alix-board.de]. The ALIX 3D3 board we run is at 3 watts at idle, up to 5W (not including whatever you attach via USB). It runs from CompactFlash and has no fan so keeps the energy down nicely. CPU is AMD Geode. You get serial, WiFi, Ethernet, USB connectivity and VGA port if you need it for a screen.

</p><p>
We've used it with the <a href="http://linux.voyage.hk/" title="voyage.hk" rel="nofollow">Voyage Linux distribution</a> [voyage.hk] (Debian-based) and it's running great. Building from parts the whole box costs you around $200 or less and you get a full-fledged system with which to tinker with. We've got a <a href="http://www.openremote.org/display/orb/OpenRemote+Reference+Implementation+-+Hardware+Bill+of+Materials" title="openremote.org" rel="nofollow">bill of materials online</a> [openremote.org] and <a href="http://www.openremote.org/display/orb/Building+OpenRemote+Hardware+Reference+Implementation" title="openremote.org" rel="nofollow">some build instructions</a> [openremote.org] as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Sheeva Plug mentioned elsewhere is one option .
Another we 've had a good experience with are the ALIX boards from PC Engines [ alix-board.de ] .
The ALIX 3D3 board we run is at 3 watts at idle , up to 5W ( not including whatever you attach via USB ) .
It runs from CompactFlash and has no fan so keeps the energy down nicely .
CPU is AMD Geode .
You get serial , WiFi , Ethernet , USB connectivity and VGA port if you need it for a screen .
We 've used it with the Voyage Linux distribution [ voyage.hk ] ( Debian-based ) and it 's running great .
Building from parts the whole box costs you around $ 200 or less and you get a full-fledged system with which to tinker with .
We 've got a bill of materials online [ openremote.org ] and some build instructions [ openremote.org ] as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The Sheeva Plug mentioned elsewhere is one option.
Another we've had a good experience with are the ALIX boards from PC Engines [alix-board.de].
The ALIX 3D3 board we run is at 3 watts at idle, up to 5W (not including whatever you attach via USB).
It runs from CompactFlash and has no fan so keeps the energy down nicely.
CPU is AMD Geode.
You get serial, WiFi, Ethernet, USB connectivity and VGA port if you need it for a screen.
We've used it with the Voyage Linux distribution [voyage.hk] (Debian-based) and it's running great.
Building from parts the whole box costs you around $200 or less and you get a full-fledged system with which to tinker with.
We've got a bill of materials online [openremote.org] and some build instructions [openremote.org] as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869515</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>rivercity</author>
	<datestamp>1256498340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try  <a href="http://www.tonidoplug.com/" title="tonidoplug.com" rel="nofollow">TonidoPlug</a> [tonidoplug.com] as well. it comes with jaunty pre-installed,samba, web-based torrent client, music streaming app, dlna server, easy file sharing app, p2p workspace and photo sharing. Also dynamic dns to your plug. Nice package -i would say if you are not a DIY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try TonidoPlug [ tonidoplug.com ] as well .
it comes with jaunty pre-installed,samba , web-based torrent client , music streaming app , dlna server , easy file sharing app , p2p workspace and photo sharing .
Also dynamic dns to your plug .
Nice package -i would say if you are not a DIY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try  TonidoPlug [tonidoplug.com] as well.
it comes with jaunty pre-installed,samba, web-based torrent client, music streaming app, dlna server, easy file sharing app, p2p workspace and photo sharing.
Also dynamic dns to your plug.
Nice package -i would say if you are not a DIY.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865931</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865907</id>
	<title>Linksys NSLU2</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1256497800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You might want to consider a Linksys NSLU2. It's a tiny NAS with two USB ports for storage but you can flash Linux to it and make it do whatever you want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to consider a Linksys NSLU2 .
It 's a tiny NAS with two USB ports for storage but you can flash Linux to it and make it do whatever you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to consider a Linksys NSLU2.
It's a tiny NAS with two USB ports for storage but you can flash Linux to it and make it do whatever you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872533</id>
	<title>More Tron fanzines?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256572320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the world really need more Tron fanzine websites?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the world really need more Tron fanzine websites ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the world really need more Tron fanzine websites?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866879</id>
	<title>A netbook</title>
	<author>tom66</author>
	<datestamp>1256462520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consider using a netbook of some kind. Netbooks have low power consumption and will run Linux fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider using a netbook of some kind .
Netbooks have low power consumption and will run Linux fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider using a netbook of some kind.
Netbooks have low power consumption and will run Linux fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865631</id>
	<title>Kurobox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.revogear.com/ Basically a Buffalo External Hard drive enclosure with 128mB of RAM. I use  mine as NFS server, print server, scanner server, DNS, VPN, DHCP server, Slimserver, Haupauge video server, Gallery 1.5 photo server and probably something else I left out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.revogear.com/ Basically a Buffalo External Hard drive enclosure with 128mB of RAM .
I use mine as NFS server , print server , scanner server , DNS , VPN , DHCP server , Slimserver , Haupauge video server , Gallery 1.5 photo server and probably something else I left out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.revogear.com/ Basically a Buffalo External Hard drive enclosure with 128mB of RAM.
I use  mine as NFS server, print server, scanner server, DNS, VPN, DHCP server, Slimserver, Haupauge video server, Gallery 1.5 photo server and probably something else I left out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865773</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have one. It is preloaded with Ubuntu. This is a no-brainer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have one .
It is preloaded with Ubuntu .
This is a no-brainer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have one.
It is preloaded with Ubuntu.
This is a no-brainer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868721</id>
	<title>Android Phone</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1256486040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you asked for Linux. But Android was specifically designed by Google to fork Linux into an OS low power enough to run on little mobile smartphones for hours or days. From what I can see already, Android phones consume much lower power for a given computing load than any PC running Linux.</p><p>Why don't you see if there are already Android apps that do what those old Linux standbys do. If so, maybe Android is for you, depending on which "phone" (some netbooks already run it). And if not, maybe you should port some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you asked for Linux .
But Android was specifically designed by Google to fork Linux into an OS low power enough to run on little mobile smartphones for hours or days .
From what I can see already , Android phones consume much lower power for a given computing load than any PC running Linux.Why do n't you see if there are already Android apps that do what those old Linux standbys do .
If so , maybe Android is for you , depending on which " phone " ( some netbooks already run it ) .
And if not , maybe you should port some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you asked for Linux.
But Android was specifically designed by Google to fork Linux into an OS low power enough to run on little mobile smartphones for hours or days.
From what I can see already, Android phones consume much lower power for a given computing load than any PC running Linux.Why don't you see if there are already Android apps that do what those old Linux standbys do.
If so, maybe Android is for you, depending on which "phone" (some netbooks already run it).
And if not, maybe you should port some.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29905883</id>
	<title>get a powerful machine</title>
	<author>SEAL</author>
	<datestamp>1256744580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not joking on this one.  I have a quad Athlon 3.0ghz performing MythTV duties.  It draws a lot of power when it needs to - for example, commercial flagging HD recordings.  But I have it set up to conserve power when it's idle, which is most of the time.  Two things you'll want to consider:</p><p>1) The easiest thing is to set up powernowd (simplest daemon IMO - but there are a couple alternatives).  It drops the speed of your CPUs when they are idle - in my case from 3.0ghz down to 800Mhz.  This reduces power usage, keeps your machine cooler and has zero impact on service availability.</p><p>2) Depending on what you use the machine for, you may want to set it up sleep most of the time.  Then use wake on LAN, or ACPI / BIOS wakeup functionality so that it powers up on demand.  The BIOS method is useful for things like MythTV that perform a lot of scheduled tasks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not joking on this one .
I have a quad Athlon 3.0ghz performing MythTV duties .
It draws a lot of power when it needs to - for example , commercial flagging HD recordings .
But I have it set up to conserve power when it 's idle , which is most of the time .
Two things you 'll want to consider : 1 ) The easiest thing is to set up powernowd ( simplest daemon IMO - but there are a couple alternatives ) .
It drops the speed of your CPUs when they are idle - in my case from 3.0ghz down to 800Mhz .
This reduces power usage , keeps your machine cooler and has zero impact on service availability.2 ) Depending on what you use the machine for , you may want to set it up sleep most of the time .
Then use wake on LAN , or ACPI / BIOS wakeup functionality so that it powers up on demand .
The BIOS method is useful for things like MythTV that perform a lot of scheduled tasks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not joking on this one.
I have a quad Athlon 3.0ghz performing MythTV duties.
It draws a lot of power when it needs to - for example, commercial flagging HD recordings.
But I have it set up to conserve power when it's idle, which is most of the time.
Two things you'll want to consider:1) The easiest thing is to set up powernowd (simplest daemon IMO - but there are a couple alternatives).
It drops the speed of your CPUs when they are idle - in my case from 3.0ghz down to 800Mhz.
This reduces power usage, keeps your machine cooler and has zero impact on service availability.2) Depending on what you use the machine for, you may want to set it up sleep most of the time.
Then use wake on LAN, or ACPI / BIOS wakeup functionality so that it powers up on demand.
The BIOS method is useful for things like MythTV that perform a lot of scheduled tasks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868285</id>
	<title>Xbox</title>
	<author>Monsuco</author>
	<datestamp>1256480700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how much power an Xbox (original) running Linux consumes? They are low end by today's standards, and if you want a big enough HDD to store things on it is a bit of a pain, but they are inexpensive and can be set up to run headless. True most of the distros are fairly old.
<p>
A softmod isn't that hard to do (assuming you can find the right copy of Mech Assault, Splinter Cell, or 007: Agent Under Fire).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much power an Xbox ( original ) running Linux consumes ?
They are low end by today 's standards , and if you want a big enough HDD to store things on it is a bit of a pain , but they are inexpensive and can be set up to run headless .
True most of the distros are fairly old .
A softmod is n't that hard to do ( assuming you can find the right copy of Mech Assault , Splinter Cell , or 007 : Agent Under Fire ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how much power an Xbox (original) running Linux consumes?
They are low end by today's standards, and if you want a big enough HDD to store things on it is a bit of a pain, but they are inexpensive and can be set up to run headless.
True most of the distros are fairly old.
A softmod isn't that hard to do (assuming you can find the right copy of Mech Assault, Splinter Cell, or 007: Agent Under Fire).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868155</id>
	<title>QNAP</title>
	<author>H0bb3z</author>
	<datestamp>1256478300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a QNAP T-209 Pro II -- its just a NAS device (I have 2x 1T drives in it).  It does a bunch of things I needed, and a bunch more that I didn't. I love it -- it replaced 2 servers in my closet.</p><p>The new 110 draws 36W and allows you to throw in a single drive (200-series houses 2 drives, etc):</p><p>http://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=136</p><p>With the standard free QPKG add-ons it can do everything you listed and more...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a QNAP T-209 Pro II -- its just a NAS device ( I have 2x 1T drives in it ) .
It does a bunch of things I needed , and a bunch more that I did n't .
I love it -- it replaced 2 servers in my closet.The new 110 draws 36W and allows you to throw in a single drive ( 200-series houses 2 drives , etc ) : http : //www.qnap.com/pro \ _detail \ _feature.asp ? p \ _id = 136With the standard free QPKG add-ons it can do everything you listed and more.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a QNAP T-209 Pro II -- its just a NAS device (I have 2x 1T drives in it).
It does a bunch of things I needed, and a bunch more that I didn't.
I love it -- it replaced 2 servers in my closet.The new 110 draws 36W and allows you to throw in a single drive (200-series houses 2 drives, etc):http://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=136With the standard free QPKG add-ons it can do everything you listed and more...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868523</id>
	<title>Power usage?</title>
	<author>Yaleman</author>
	<datestamp>1256483640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">New Mac Mini</a> [apple.com] draws 14W at idle, why not get that?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) It even has a new version with dual hard drives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The New Mac Mini [ apple.com ] draws 14W at idle , why not get that ?
: ) It even has a new version with dual hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The New Mac Mini [apple.com] draws 14W at idle, why not get that?
:) It even has a new version with dual hard drives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866445</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256501760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is similar to what I did.  I used a HP mini with an atom N270 with the 16gig ssd and a 4 gig sd card.  The biggest consumer of the power is the lcd screen.  I set the screen to be off when I close the lid instead of taking it out.  Then I remote in for everything else.  It is a 'server'.  It also totally blows away the server it replaced and uses 1/10th the power.  There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it.  About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit.  But that would require a bit of assembly.  Total cost for this is in the range of 250-350.  Just depends on where he gets the parts.</p><p>There is also a couple of ion boards out there but they would probably draw a bit more power.</p><p>Now the downside to the intel chipset is the Ethernet is 100 instead of 1000.  So if you are looking for a 'home movie' server situation the ion would be a better choice.  Using the MB's instead of laptops also opens you up to the possibility of esata.</p><p>Really it depends on what he is doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is similar to what I did .
I used a HP mini with an atom N270 with the 16gig ssd and a 4 gig sd card .
The biggest consumer of the power is the lcd screen .
I set the screen to be off when I close the lid instead of taking it out .
Then I remote in for everything else .
It is a 'server' .
It also totally blows away the server it replaced and uses 1/10th the power .
There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it .
About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit .
But that would require a bit of assembly .
Total cost for this is in the range of 250-350 .
Just depends on where he gets the parts.There is also a couple of ion boards out there but they would probably draw a bit more power.Now the downside to the intel chipset is the Ethernet is 100 instead of 1000 .
So if you are looking for a 'home movie ' server situation the ion would be a better choice .
Using the MB 's instead of laptops also opens you up to the possibility of esata.Really it depends on what he is doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is similar to what I did.
I used a HP mini with an atom N270 with the 16gig ssd and a 4 gig sd card.
The biggest consumer of the power is the lcd screen.
I set the screen to be off when I close the lid instead of taking it out.
Then I remote in for everything else.
It is a 'server'.
It also totally blows away the server it replaced and uses 1/10th the power.
There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it.
About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit.
But that would require a bit of assembly.
Total cost for this is in the range of 250-350.
Just depends on where he gets the parts.There is also a couple of ion boards out there but they would probably draw a bit more power.Now the downside to the intel chipset is the Ethernet is 100 instead of 1000.
So if you are looking for a 'home movie' server situation the ion would be a better choice.
Using the MB's instead of laptops also opens you up to the possibility of esata.Really it depends on what he is doing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873167</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Pravetz-82</author>
	<datestamp>1256575620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have this and it is absolutely wonderful. </p><p>
It has an internal SATA port with power where you can directly plug-in 2.5" HDD though you will have to provide a fan or some other mean for cooling the HDD, as the convection alone is not enough. I've solved this as I powered a fan from one of the many USB ports and positioned it over the HDD. I've installed Ubuntu ARM port on the 512MB raw flash device on top of a very clever filesystem called UbiFS. You can also install it on the HDD or on USB storage. </p><p>
I get around 30-40MB/s read speed over NFS (5400RPM, Seagate 500GB). I run rtorrent on the box and I get around 2.7~3.0MB/s download speed. I gues with a 7200RPM HDD and NOT using PPPoE for your Internet connection, you can get even better speeds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have this and it is absolutely wonderful .
It has an internal SATA port with power where you can directly plug-in 2.5 " HDD though you will have to provide a fan or some other mean for cooling the HDD , as the convection alone is not enough .
I 've solved this as I powered a fan from one of the many USB ports and positioned it over the HDD .
I 've installed Ubuntu ARM port on the 512MB raw flash device on top of a very clever filesystem called UbiFS .
You can also install it on the HDD or on USB storage .
I get around 30-40MB/s read speed over NFS ( 5400RPM , Seagate 500GB ) .
I run rtorrent on the box and I get around 2.7 ~ 3.0MB/s download speed .
I gues with a 7200RPM HDD and NOT using PPPoE for your Internet connection , you can get even better speeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have this and it is absolutely wonderful.
It has an internal SATA port with power where you can directly plug-in 2.5" HDD though you will have to provide a fan or some other mean for cooling the HDD, as the convection alone is not enough.
I've solved this as I powered a fan from one of the many USB ports and positioned it over the HDD.
I've installed Ubuntu ARM port on the 512MB raw flash device on top of a very clever filesystem called UbiFS.
You can also install it on the HDD or on USB storage.
I get around 30-40MB/s read speed over NFS (5400RPM, Seagate 500GB).
I run rtorrent on the box and I get around 2.7~3.0MB/s download speed.
I gues with a 7200RPM HDD and NOT using PPPoE for your Internet connection, you can get even better speeds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868115</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>richtopia</author>
	<datestamp>1256477940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes you can find a laptop with a broken LCD on ebay or similar.  Lots of things can be broken on a laptop which render it non-functional as a laptop, however still functional as a server (onboard wifi for example).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes you can find a laptop with a broken LCD on ebay or similar .
Lots of things can be broken on a laptop which render it non-functional as a laptop , however still functional as a server ( onboard wifi for example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes you can find a laptop with a broken LCD on ebay or similar.
Lots of things can be broken on a laptop which render it non-functional as a laptop, however still functional as a server (onboard wifi for example).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865853</id>
	<title>Virgin WebPlayer or iOpener</title>
	<author>knarf</author>
	<datestamp>1256497440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a Virgin WebPlayer running as web/mail/file/etc server since 2002. It is still running. It uses about 15 W when the display and backlight has been turned off. I've had it with me on a canoe expedition over the Yukon (from Whitehorse to the Bering strait) running on 2 x 10W solar panels plus a 7Ah 12V battery. Fully charged that battery was enough to keep it running for about 5-6 hours. That was including the 2 20GB notebook drives it contained.</p><p>Of course we're not talking speed-demon here, the Geode GX1@200 MHz is comparable to a Pentium 166. With 128MB (instead of the standard 64 MB) it does most things I want it to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a Virgin WebPlayer running as web/mail/file/etc server since 2002 .
It is still running .
It uses about 15 W when the display and backlight has been turned off .
I 've had it with me on a canoe expedition over the Yukon ( from Whitehorse to the Bering strait ) running on 2 x 10W solar panels plus a 7Ah 12V battery .
Fully charged that battery was enough to keep it running for about 5-6 hours .
That was including the 2 20GB notebook drives it contained.Of course we 're not talking speed-demon here , the Geode GX1 @ 200 MHz is comparable to a Pentium 166 .
With 128MB ( instead of the standard 64 MB ) it does most things I want it to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a Virgin WebPlayer running as web/mail/file/etc server since 2002.
It is still running.
It uses about 15 W when the display and backlight has been turned off.
I've had it with me on a canoe expedition over the Yukon (from Whitehorse to the Bering strait) running on 2 x 10W solar panels plus a 7Ah 12V battery.
Fully charged that battery was enough to keep it running for about 5-6 hours.
That was including the 2 20GB notebook drives it contained.Of course we're not talking speed-demon here, the Geode GX1@200 MHz is comparable to a Pentium 166.
With 128MB (instead of the standard 64 MB) it does most things I want it to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865995</id>
	<title>Used Pentium III Is Probably What You Want</title>
	<author>Bos20k</author>
	<datestamp>1256498580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about a used Pentium III motherboard/CPU from eBay or wherever? That is what I did when I wanted to reduce my watts at home. My old server was a 1GHz Athlon (underclocked 1.4GHz). It did most everything that I needed but was using about 85 watts. It was an improvement over the 200 watt Sun Ultra 60 that it replaced but not good enough.</p><p>Since I don't need much CPU for my home server, I looked up old CPUs to see what had a decent performance per watt. I decided on a Pentium III at about 1GHz which is what I got off eBay. I stuck 1GB of RAM, a PCI to SATA card and two 500GB WD green drives in it. It uses about 45-50 watts idle. The motherboard and CPU cost about $25...</p><p>Most likely, the only way you'll be able to get lower watts than that in a full size system is to spend some $$$ on modern low power hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a used Pentium III motherboard/CPU from eBay or wherever ?
That is what I did when I wanted to reduce my watts at home .
My old server was a 1GHz Athlon ( underclocked 1.4GHz ) .
It did most everything that I needed but was using about 85 watts .
It was an improvement over the 200 watt Sun Ultra 60 that it replaced but not good enough.Since I do n't need much CPU for my home server , I looked up old CPUs to see what had a decent performance per watt .
I decided on a Pentium III at about 1GHz which is what I got off eBay .
I stuck 1GB of RAM , a PCI to SATA card and two 500GB WD green drives in it .
It uses about 45-50 watts idle .
The motherboard and CPU cost about $ 25...Most likely , the only way you 'll be able to get lower watts than that in a full size system is to spend some $ $ $ on modern low power hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a used Pentium III motherboard/CPU from eBay or wherever?
That is what I did when I wanted to reduce my watts at home.
My old server was a 1GHz Athlon (underclocked 1.4GHz).
It did most everything that I needed but was using about 85 watts.
It was an improvement over the 200 watt Sun Ultra 60 that it replaced but not good enough.Since I don't need much CPU for my home server, I looked up old CPUs to see what had a decent performance per watt.
I decided on a Pentium III at about 1GHz which is what I got off eBay.
I stuck 1GB of RAM, a PCI to SATA card and two 500GB WD green drives in it.
It uses about 45-50 watts idle.
The motherboard and CPU cost about $25...Most likely, the only way you'll be able to get lower watts than that in a full size system is to spend some $$$ on modern low power hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865483</id>
	<title>How about a Linksys router or D-Link NAS box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Linksys WRT54G router runs a version of Linux in an open source distribution...<br>Or a D-Link DNS 323 NAS box... there's quite an active hacking community using these boxes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Linksys WRT54G router runs a version of Linux in an open source distribution...Or a D-Link DNS 323 NAS box... there 's quite an active hacking community using these boxes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Linksys WRT54G router runs a version of Linux in an open source distribution...Or a D-Link DNS 323 NAS box... there's quite an active hacking community using these boxes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867031</id>
	<title>Re:How about a Linksys router or D-Link NAS box</title>
	<author>ligaguine</author>
	<datestamp>1256464140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another option is the Linksys NSLU2, if you can find one used.  Lots of community support for this device available here:

<a href="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/" title="nslu2-linux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/</a> [nslu2-linux.org]

I've been running one since 2005 with the Unslung firmware, but I recently upgraded it to a standard Debian 5 install and it's working better than ever.  It's not as fast as the newer NAS devices, but then again it draws less power because of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another option is the Linksys NSLU2 , if you can find one used .
Lots of community support for this device available here : http : //www.nslu2-linux.org/ [ nslu2-linux.org ] I 've been running one since 2005 with the Unslung firmware , but I recently upgraded it to a standard Debian 5 install and it 's working better than ever .
It 's not as fast as the newer NAS devices , but then again it draws less power because of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another option is the Linksys NSLU2, if you can find one used.
Lots of community support for this device available here:

http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ [nslu2-linux.org]

I've been running one since 2005 with the Unslung firmware, but I recently upgraded it to a standard Debian 5 install and it's working better than ever.
It's not as fast as the newer NAS devices, but then again it draws less power because of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867397</id>
	<title>Amahi is the way to go!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256468520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amahi!</p><p>get a nice ITX board, a green HD, and install amahi!<br>its one click software removes the need of a discdrive, or USB for that matter!<br>once installed, you can simply put it headless in the basement, quietly zooming, while everything gets done through its nice an feature rich webinterface!<br>its easy to configure, and easy to maintain! it helped me on my power bill, while still having my whole family enjoying all the best of a home server<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amahi ! get a nice ITX board , a green HD , and install amahi ! its one click software removes the need of a discdrive , or USB for that matter ! once installed , you can simply put it headless in the basement , quietly zooming , while everything gets done through its nice an feature rich webinterface ! its easy to configure , and easy to maintain !
it helped me on my power bill , while still having my whole family enjoying all the best of a home server : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amahi!get a nice ITX board, a green HD, and install amahi!its one click software removes the need of a discdrive, or USB for that matter!once installed, you can simply put it headless in the basement, quietly zooming, while everything gets done through its nice an feature rich webinterface!its easy to configure, and easy to maintain!
it helped me on my power bill, while still having my whole family enjoying all the best of a home server :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868251</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>Monsuco</author>
	<datestamp>1256479920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If he's going to use a linux distro, he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor, or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely.  Then use ssh, vnc, or ard to control the computer remotely.</p></div><p>Heck, a good number of distros don't sleep on lid close by default and just let the screen shut off (though it is getting to be less and less of a pain to get them to when you want them to, most still default to just locking). A netbook (with a USB CD drive when needed) might suit your needs if you set it to just shut the screen off on lid close. Going further a SSD wouldn't be much for storage, but those seem to take essentially no power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If he 's going to use a linux distro , he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor , or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely .
Then use ssh , vnc , or ard to control the computer remotely.Heck , a good number of distros do n't sleep on lid close by default and just let the screen shut off ( though it is getting to be less and less of a pain to get them to when you want them to , most still default to just locking ) .
A netbook ( with a USB CD drive when needed ) might suit your needs if you set it to just shut the screen off on lid close .
Going further a SSD would n't be much for storage , but those seem to take essentially no power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he's going to use a linux distro, he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor, or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely.
Then use ssh, vnc, or ard to control the computer remotely.Heck, a good number of distros don't sleep on lid close by default and just let the screen shut off (though it is getting to be less and less of a pain to get them to when you want them to, most still default to just locking).
A netbook (with a USB CD drive when needed) might suit your needs if you set it to just shut the screen off on lid close.
Going further a SSD wouldn't be much for storage, but those seem to take essentially no power.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870191</id>
	<title>Excito Bubba Server and Bubba 2 w. Debian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256551080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Swedish manfacturer Excito offers a ready made server called Bubba and Bubba 2.<br>They offer it with Debian pre-installed.<br>Here: http://www.excito.com/<br>They still have the first Bubba model on sale (with ARM) for under a hundred euros, and the newer models start at around 200 euros. Fanless design, low noise and temp. They sell them also with no hard drive if you like to install yourself.</p><p>"Bubba Two with 1 TB disk uses about  8-10W of power. This can be compared to a bedside lamp, using something like 25W, or a personal computer, using about 80W with the monitor turned off. Hence; changing your PC server to a Bubba Two actually saves you in the range of 100 EUR every year on the electricity bill alone. Translated to CO2 emmissions, this is more than 300 kg CO2 saved every year.  "</p><p>https://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html<br>Processor<br>Old Bubba Server -    200 MHz ARM9<br>Bubba 2 models -     333 MHz Power PC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Swedish manfacturer Excito offers a ready made server called Bubba and Bubba 2.They offer it with Debian pre-installed.Here : http : //www.excito.com/They still have the first Bubba model on sale ( with ARM ) for under a hundred euros , and the newer models start at around 200 euros .
Fanless design , low noise and temp .
They sell them also with no hard drive if you like to install yourself .
" Bubba Two with 1 TB disk uses about 8-10W of power .
This can be compared to a bedside lamp , using something like 25W , or a personal computer , using about 80W with the monitor turned off .
Hence ; changing your PC server to a Bubba Two actually saves you in the range of 100 EUR every year on the electricity bill alone .
Translated to CO2 emmissions , this is more than 300 kg CO2 saved every year .
" https : //www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.htmlProcessorOld Bubba Server - 200 MHz ARM9Bubba 2 models - 333 MHz Power PC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Swedish manfacturer Excito offers a ready made server called Bubba and Bubba 2.They offer it with Debian pre-installed.Here: http://www.excito.com/They still have the first Bubba model on sale (with ARM) for under a hundred euros, and the newer models start at around 200 euros.
Fanless design, low noise and temp.
They sell them also with no hard drive if you like to install yourself.
"Bubba Two with 1 TB disk uses about  8-10W of power.
This can be compared to a bedside lamp, using something like 25W, or a personal computer, using about 80W with the monitor turned off.
Hence; changing your PC server to a Bubba Two actually saves you in the range of 100 EUR every year on the electricity bill alone.
Translated to CO2 emmissions, this is more than 300 kg CO2 saved every year.
"https://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.htmlProcessorOld Bubba Server -    200 MHz ARM9Bubba 2 models -     333 MHz Power PC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865681</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All I do from my home Linux server is read/write files - mostly from Windows clients, but I have a few Linux clients as well.  Also some very basic MRTG which I usually don't even look at anyways.  One thing I've consistently read about NAS devices is that they won't necessarily have the horsepower to push the network connection on file read/writes to the max.</p><p>What's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All I do from my home Linux server is read/write files - mostly from Windows clients , but I have a few Linux clients as well .
Also some very basic MRTG which I usually do n't even look at anyways .
One thing I 've consistently read about NAS devices is that they wo n't necessarily have the horsepower to push the network connection on file read/writes to the max.What 's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I do from my home Linux server is read/write files - mostly from Windows clients, but I have a few Linux clients as well.
Also some very basic MRTG which I usually don't even look at anyways.
One thing I've consistently read about NAS devices is that they won't necessarily have the horsepower to push the network connection on file read/writes to the max.What's your experience with the speed of files in and out of the Buffalo device?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874721</id>
	<title>Custom NAS Using Chenbro Case and ION Motherboard</title>
	<author>NiK0laI</author>
	<datestamp>1256582940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I put together a custom NAS using a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123114&amp;cm\_re=chenbro-\_-11-123-114-\_-Product" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Chenbro</a> [newegg.com] case and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500030&amp;cm\_re=zotac\_ion-\_-13-500-030-\_-Product" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Zotac Ion motherboard</a> [newegg.com] with Atom 330.  It uses about 30 watts, this case has 2 hot swappable 3.5" hdd bays and an internal 2.5" drive bay for your OS drive.  I'm running it headless with Ubuntu Server, it just sits in my closet, barely puts off any heat.

<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123114&amp;cm\_re=chenbro-\_-11-123-114-\_-Product" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123114&amp;cm\_re=chenbro-\_-11-123-114-\_-Product</a> [newegg.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I put together a custom NAS using a Chenbro [ newegg.com ] case and Zotac Ion motherboard [ newegg.com ] with Atom 330 .
It uses about 30 watts , this case has 2 hot swappable 3.5 " hdd bays and an internal 2.5 " drive bay for your OS drive .
I 'm running it headless with Ubuntu Server , it just sits in my closet , barely puts off any heat .
http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16811123114&amp;cm \ _re = chenbro- \ _-11-123-114- \ _-Product [ newegg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put together a custom NAS using a Chenbro [newegg.com] case and Zotac Ion motherboard [newegg.com] with Atom 330.
It uses about 30 watts, this case has 2 hot swappable 3.5" hdd bays and an internal 2.5" drive bay for your OS drive.
I'm running it headless with Ubuntu Server, it just sits in my closet, barely puts off any heat.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811123114&amp;cm\_re=chenbro-\_-11-123-114-\_-Product [newegg.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867821</id>
	<title>system76's nettop</title>
	<author>Trelane</author>
	<datestamp>1256474040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I needed to replace my main server, so I got the System76 dual-core meerkat nettop (http://system76.com/product\_info.php?cPath=27&amp;products\_id=91). It almost certainly uses less power than the old desktop that it replaces, although I don't have any numbers (the powersupply is 84W, according the the above link).

It is easy to get into to fix/upgrade things, and it takes an ordinary desktop drive, so you can get up to 2TB in there atm.  It's also a pretty good size, and stands vertically or horizontally.

I'm very very very happy with it, and their customer service (not needed any support beyond the purchase, so that's all I have to go off of) was better than anywhere else I've been.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I needed to replace my main server , so I got the System76 dual-core meerkat nettop ( http : //system76.com/product \ _info.php ? cPath = 27&amp;products \ _id = 91 ) .
It almost certainly uses less power than the old desktop that it replaces , although I do n't have any numbers ( the powersupply is 84W , according the the above link ) .
It is easy to get into to fix/upgrade things , and it takes an ordinary desktop drive , so you can get up to 2TB in there atm .
It 's also a pretty good size , and stands vertically or horizontally .
I 'm very very very happy with it , and their customer service ( not needed any support beyond the purchase , so that 's all I have to go off of ) was better than anywhere else I 've been .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I needed to replace my main server, so I got the System76 dual-core meerkat nettop (http://system76.com/product\_info.php?cPath=27&amp;products\_id=91).
It almost certainly uses less power than the old desktop that it replaces, although I don't have any numbers (the powersupply is 84W, according the the above link).
It is easy to get into to fix/upgrade things, and it takes an ordinary desktop drive, so you can get up to 2TB in there atm.
It's also a pretty good size, and stands vertically or horizontally.
I'm very very very happy with it, and their customer service (not needed any support beyond the purchase, so that's all I have to go off of) was better than anywhere else I've been.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865551</id>
	<title>Used P3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Compaq low-profile Presario P3. It's tiny (about 3 inches tall and about 12 inches on a side) and consumes very little power - about 20-25 watts.</p><p>1 Ghz CPU, 512 RAM, 100 Mb Ethernet, 250 GB HDD, worth about 20 dollars w/o the HD, been my "mini" server for years now running CentOS 4.</p><p>Tough combo to beat....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Compaq low-profile Presario P3 .
It 's tiny ( about 3 inches tall and about 12 inches on a side ) and consumes very little power - about 20-25 watts.1 Ghz CPU , 512 RAM , 100 Mb Ethernet , 250 GB HDD , worth about 20 dollars w/o the HD , been my " mini " server for years now running CentOS 4.Tough combo to beat... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Compaq low-profile Presario P3.
It's tiny (about 3 inches tall and about 12 inches on a side) and consumes very little power - about 20-25 watts.1 Ghz CPU, 512 RAM, 100 Mb Ethernet, 250 GB HDD, worth about 20 dollars w/o the HD, been my "mini" server for years now running CentOS 4.Tough combo to beat....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868095</id>
	<title>The elephant in the room... Performance</title>
	<author>spagetti\_code</author>
	<datestamp>1256477580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok - so we have had people proposing<br>- buffalo link station<br>- alix boards<br>- sheevaplug<br>- EPIA 5000<br>- WRT54G<br>- Mac Mini<br>among others. The thing these *all* have in common is<br>completely horrible LAN/IO performance. None (except for a mac mini<br>and perhaps the EPIA 5000) can come close to saturating a 100Mb LAN.<br>Certainly only the MacMini has half a chance at making use of a Gb LAN.<br>Remember this guy wants NFS, so one presumes he actually wants<br>to move reasonable files around at a reasonable rate.</p><p>I've got a low cost LAN drive, and get, at best, 2-3MB/s out of<br>it over a 100Mb LAN - about 1/6th what I expected. I turned it into<br>a remote backup drive where the ugly performance is ok.</p><p>So lets rephrase the question: can someone suggest a cheap system<br>( 20MB/sec (which of course requires Gbit LAN).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok - so we have had people proposing- buffalo link station- alix boards- sheevaplug- EPIA 5000- WRT54G- Mac Miniamong others .
The thing these * all * have in common iscompletely horrible LAN/IO performance .
None ( except for a mac miniand perhaps the EPIA 5000 ) can come close to saturating a 100Mb LAN.Certainly only the MacMini has half a chance at making use of a Gb LAN.Remember this guy wants NFS , so one presumes he actually wantsto move reasonable files around at a reasonable rate.I 've got a low cost LAN drive , and get , at best , 2-3MB/s out ofit over a 100Mb LAN - about 1/6th what I expected .
I turned it intoa remote backup drive where the ugly performance is ok.So lets rephrase the question : can someone suggest a cheap system ( 20MB/sec ( which of course requires Gbit LAN ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok - so we have had people proposing- buffalo link station- alix boards- sheevaplug- EPIA 5000- WRT54G- Mac Miniamong others.
The thing these *all* have in common iscompletely horrible LAN/IO performance.
None (except for a mac miniand perhaps the EPIA 5000) can come close to saturating a 100Mb LAN.Certainly only the MacMini has half a chance at making use of a Gb LAN.Remember this guy wants NFS, so one presumes he actually wantsto move reasonable files around at a reasonable rate.I've got a low cost LAN drive, and get, at best, 2-3MB/s out ofit over a 100Mb LAN - about 1/6th what I expected.
I turned it intoa remote backup drive where the ugly performance is ok.So lets rephrase the question: can someone suggest a cheap system( 20MB/sec (which of course requires Gbit LAN).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29882607</id>
	<title>Sanjaya Yogi</title>
	<author>sanjayayogi</author>
	<datestamp>1256651760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The most obvious answer is Marvells SheevaPlug, about $100 US. It uses approximately 5 watts, I have multiple usb hard drives hanging off of a powered 2.0 usb hub, right now I have about 2 Tb hooked up, but it is easy to add or subtract. I run mysql, apache2, with a dyndns account I can access everything from any where. I run a vnc server also which also allow me access to a virtual desktop as the SheevaPlug itself does not have vga output. I never turn it off and it is fanless. I boot debian lenny from a 8 GB SD. I can not believe there is a more energy efficient solution out there at the moment. Very nice.

Check out:

<a href="http://www.openplug.org/" title="openplug.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openplug.org/</a> [openplug.org]
<a href="http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp" title="marvell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</a> [marvell.com]
<a href="http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp" title="marvell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp</a> [marvell.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The most obvious answer is Marvells SheevaPlug , about $ 100 US .
It uses approximately 5 watts , I have multiple usb hard drives hanging off of a powered 2.0 usb hub , right now I have about 2 Tb hooked up , but it is easy to add or subtract .
I run mysql , apache2 , with a dyndns account I can access everything from any where .
I run a vnc server also which also allow me access to a virtual desktop as the SheevaPlug itself does not have vga output .
I never turn it off and it is fanless .
I boot debian lenny from a 8 GB SD .
I can not believe there is a more energy efficient solution out there at the moment .
Very nice .
Check out : http : //www.openplug.org/ [ openplug.org ] http : //www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [ marvell.com ] http : //www.marvell.com/products/embedded \ _processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp [ marvell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most obvious answer is Marvells SheevaPlug, about $100 US.
It uses approximately 5 watts, I have multiple usb hard drives hanging off of a powered 2.0 usb hub, right now I have about 2 Tb hooked up, but it is easy to add or subtract.
I run mysql, apache2, with a dyndns account I can access everything from any where.
I run a vnc server also which also allow me access to a virtual desktop as the SheevaPlug itself does not have vga output.
I never turn it off and it is fanless.
I boot debian lenny from a 8 GB SD.
I can not believe there is a more energy efficient solution out there at the moment.
Very nice.
Check out:

http://www.openplug.org/ [openplug.org]
http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [marvell.com]
http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp [marvell.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867667</id>
	<title>Fonera 2n or any WiFI AP with USB port would do it</title>
	<author>fasuin</author>
	<datestamp>1256472300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why don't you get a fonera2n?
Or any other wifi AP which runs linux and has a USB port?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you get a fonera2n ?
Or any other wifi AP which runs linux and has a USB port ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you get a fonera2n?
Or any other wifi AP which runs linux and has a USB port?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865915</id>
	<title>Synology + Notebook Drives</title>
	<author>mtgstuber</author>
	<datestamp>1256497860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will probably come in a little higher cost than you'd like, but consider getting a Synology NAS box (http://www.synology.com/us/index.php), and a pair of notebook drives.  I've had a home server of one sort or another for years.  Back in the day I had top of the line multiprocessor Compaq server with a full RAID array.  These days I live completely off-grid.  The power draw of that beast would crush me.</p><p>Seeking a better solution I picked up a 207+, and then modified the brackets to take a pair of notebook drives.  I measured it at 12 watts.  It doesn't have much processing power, but I run fetchmail, dovecot, slimserver, and of course file sharing services on it.  It would easily run a web server, though I host my website externally.  I have mine configured with cron to shut down in the at night.  Newer versions have automatic support for starting up and shutting down based on the time.  If you're not hosting a web site, you can save more energy and money.</p><p>For me, running a server without RAID or mirroring isn't an option.  That's one of the reasons I chose this solution.  I use a USB harddisk for occassional backups.  I've never hooked a USB CD-ROM to it, though I don't see any reason you couldn't.  It's running Linux under the covers, and it's relatively easy to cross-compile software for it, or simply use optware (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages?from=Unslung.Packages) to get what you need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will probably come in a little higher cost than you 'd like , but consider getting a Synology NAS box ( http : //www.synology.com/us/index.php ) , and a pair of notebook drives .
I 've had a home server of one sort or another for years .
Back in the day I had top of the line multiprocessor Compaq server with a full RAID array .
These days I live completely off-grid .
The power draw of that beast would crush me.Seeking a better solution I picked up a 207 + , and then modified the brackets to take a pair of notebook drives .
I measured it at 12 watts .
It does n't have much processing power , but I run fetchmail , dovecot , slimserver , and of course file sharing services on it .
It would easily run a web server , though I host my website externally .
I have mine configured with cron to shut down in the at night .
Newer versions have automatic support for starting up and shutting down based on the time .
If you 're not hosting a web site , you can save more energy and money.For me , running a server without RAID or mirroring is n't an option .
That 's one of the reasons I chose this solution .
I use a USB harddisk for occassional backups .
I 've never hooked a USB CD-ROM to it , though I do n't see any reason you could n't .
It 's running Linux under the covers , and it 's relatively easy to cross-compile software for it , or simply use optware ( http : //www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages ? from = Unslung.Packages ) to get what you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will probably come in a little higher cost than you'd like, but consider getting a Synology NAS box (http://www.synology.com/us/index.php), and a pair of notebook drives.
I've had a home server of one sort or another for years.
Back in the day I had top of the line multiprocessor Compaq server with a full RAID array.
These days I live completely off-grid.
The power draw of that beast would crush me.Seeking a better solution I picked up a 207+, and then modified the brackets to take a pair of notebook drives.
I measured it at 12 watts.
It doesn't have much processing power, but I run fetchmail, dovecot, slimserver, and of course file sharing services on it.
It would easily run a web server, though I host my website externally.
I have mine configured with cron to shut down in the at night.
Newer versions have automatic support for starting up and shutting down based on the time.
If you're not hosting a web site, you can save more energy and money.For me, running a server without RAID or mirroring isn't an option.
That's one of the reasons I chose this solution.
I use a USB harddisk for occassional backups.
I've never hooked a USB CD-ROM to it, though I don't see any reason you couldn't.
It's running Linux under the covers, and it's relatively easy to cross-compile software for it, or simply use optware (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages?from=Unslung.Packages) to get what you need.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873863</id>
	<title>ZOTAC IONITX</title>
	<author>HwyXingFrog</author>
	<datestamp>1256579040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's what I'm doing.

Zotac IONITX-A motherboard
 - Wifi
 - comes with 90W Power Brick
 - Dual Core Atom 330
 - HDMI/VGA/DVI/Optic/SPdif
 - 3xSata + 1xESata

Mini-Box M350 Case
 - Super small
 - Well ventilated

Can definitely do a whole system under $300, even cheaper if you go with the IONITX-C.

Then just get a couple sticks of ram, and a laptop sata hard drive and you have a box able to play 1080p videos with NVidia VDPAU and uses under 30W of power.

I own the IONITX-A and the IONITX-C, so many things you can do with it if you decide to scrap it as a server.

I'm really waiting to see what gets released for the ION based netbooks (HP Mini 311 is the only one really available right now), they would be another nice option for a little more money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what I 'm doing .
Zotac IONITX-A motherboard - Wifi - comes with 90W Power Brick - Dual Core Atom 330 - HDMI/VGA/DVI/Optic/SPdif - 3xSata + 1xESata Mini-Box M350 Case - Super small - Well ventilated Can definitely do a whole system under $ 300 , even cheaper if you go with the IONITX-C . Then just get a couple sticks of ram , and a laptop sata hard drive and you have a box able to play 1080p videos with NVidia VDPAU and uses under 30W of power .
I own the IONITX-A and the IONITX-C , so many things you can do with it if you decide to scrap it as a server .
I 'm really waiting to see what gets released for the ION based netbooks ( HP Mini 311 is the only one really available right now ) , they would be another nice option for a little more money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what I'm doing.
Zotac IONITX-A motherboard
 - Wifi
 - comes with 90W Power Brick
 - Dual Core Atom 330
 - HDMI/VGA/DVI/Optic/SPdif
 - 3xSata + 1xESata

Mini-Box M350 Case
 - Super small
 - Well ventilated

Can definitely do a whole system under $300, even cheaper if you go with the IONITX-C.

Then just get a couple sticks of ram, and a laptop sata hard drive and you have a box able to play 1080p videos with NVidia VDPAU and uses under 30W of power.
I own the IONITX-A and the IONITX-C, so many things you can do with it if you decide to scrap it as a server.
I'm really waiting to see what gets released for the ION based netbooks (HP Mini 311 is the only one really available right now), they would be another nice option for a little more money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869817</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini or Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1256588760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mac Mini is very serviceable and I do not dis it.  There is also the comparable Aopen Minis, which is just as well designed, and is easier to slap linux onto:</p><p>Manufacturer: <a href="http://global.aopen.com/Products.aspx?id=74" title="aopen.com">these</a> [aopen.com] <a href="http://vip.aopen.com/products.aspx?id=78" title="aopen.com">and these</a> [aopen.com]</p><p>Buy: <a href="http://store.myaopen.com/" title="myaopen.com">here</a> [myaopen.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac Mini is very serviceable and I do not dis it .
There is also the comparable Aopen Minis , which is just as well designed , and is easier to slap linux onto : Manufacturer : these [ aopen.com ] and these [ aopen.com ] Buy : here [ myaopen.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac Mini is very serviceable and I do not dis it.
There is also the comparable Aopen Minis, which is just as well designed, and is easier to slap linux onto:Manufacturer: these [aopen.com] and these [aopen.com]Buy: here [myaopen.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865725</id>
	<title>thin client</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1256496420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>grab a second hand thin-client from ebay then reflash it with a linux image and use it as a server.  They're cheap.  Typically they are fanless Via c7 or Geodes; so, they're low power.  Do your research first, some use CF cards but others have flash on the circuit board, which makes reflashing them harder.  I've found some of them actually have a 44pin ide header and use a CF card adapter; so, you can plug in a cheap laptop harddrive.  In either case, most of the newer ones will have 4-6 usb ports.</htmltext>
<tokenext>grab a second hand thin-client from ebay then reflash it with a linux image and use it as a server .
They 're cheap .
Typically they are fanless Via c7 or Geodes ; so , they 're low power .
Do your research first , some use CF cards but others have flash on the circuit board , which makes reflashing them harder .
I 've found some of them actually have a 44pin ide header and use a CF card adapter ; so , you can plug in a cheap laptop harddrive .
In either case , most of the newer ones will have 4-6 usb ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>grab a second hand thin-client from ebay then reflash it with a linux image and use it as a server.
They're cheap.
Typically they are fanless Via c7 or Geodes; so, they're low power.
Do your research first, some use CF cards but others have flash on the circuit board, which makes reflashing them harder.
I've found some of them actually have a 44pin ide header and use a CF card adapter; so, you can plug in a cheap laptop harddrive.
In either case, most of the newer ones will have 4-6 usb ports.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866085</id>
	<title>Nokia Server</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1256499120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now that the N900 is about to be released, your old N770, N800, and N810 become just about as useless as a kick stand on a bass boat. They are extremely low power, have USB, and just about any Debian Linux software is available.</p><p>You could plug these into a solar panel, or better yet, take the 48VAC from the phone line that is long been shut off (but is always powered) and convert that to the DC needed to keep the battery charged.</p><p>There is always something satisfying in screwing Verizon et al.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that the N900 is about to be released , your old N770 , N800 , and N810 become just about as useless as a kick stand on a bass boat .
They are extremely low power , have USB , and just about any Debian Linux software is available.You could plug these into a solar panel , or better yet , take the 48VAC from the phone line that is long been shut off ( but is always powered ) and convert that to the DC needed to keep the battery charged.There is always something satisfying in screwing Verizon et al .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that the N900 is about to be released, your old N770, N800, and N810 become just about as useless as a kick stand on a bass boat.
They are extremely low power, have USB, and just about any Debian Linux software is available.You could plug these into a solar panel, or better yet, take the 48VAC from the phone line that is long been shut off (but is always powered) and convert that to the DC needed to keep the battery charged.There is always something satisfying in screwing Verizon et al.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867479</id>
	<title>Check your real server power use</title>
	<author>jvin248</author>
	<datestamp>1256469780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>with a "kill-a-watt" meter or similar.  If the server you have is Pentium 2 or newer it should have good power management already built into it.  When idle I've had P2's (rated at 100 or 200W on the case, that's max output not continuous consumption!) sipping along at 15-20w.  These were stock desktop machines running headless with no extra PCI cards sitting in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>with a " kill-a-watt " meter or similar .
If the server you have is Pentium 2 or newer it should have good power management already built into it .
When idle I 've had P2 's ( rated at 100 or 200W on the case , that 's max output not continuous consumption !
) sipping along at 15-20w .
These were stock desktop machines running headless with no extra PCI cards sitting in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with a "kill-a-watt" meter or similar.
If the server you have is Pentium 2 or newer it should have good power management already built into it.
When idle I've had P2's (rated at 100 or 200W on the case, that's max output not continuous consumption!
) sipping along at 15-20w.
These were stock desktop machines running headless with no extra PCI cards sitting in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868007</id>
	<title>EPIA SN 10000</title>
	<author>baryluk</author>
	<datestamp>1256476500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think "EPIA SN 10000" or "18000" is the best in kind of performance and energy. I was thinking about some MIPS or ARM based boards, like rt433uah, but there are problems with performance and sata ports.

EPIA SN 10000 is standard PC, in really small form factor, and have fanless CPU 1.0GHz, up to 4 GB of ram, 4 sata ports, 2 ethernet ports (one of them is gigabite), audio, ide, compact flash, minipci, and lots of usbs. ANd of course vga. I'm currenlty creating system from it, and mirrored set of 4 caviar green series hard drives + system on compact flash. Eventually i will add one SSD as a kind of cache. All powered prefrebly by ZFS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

All i need now i good and efficient Power Supply for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think " EPIA SN 10000 " or " 18000 " is the best in kind of performance and energy .
I was thinking about some MIPS or ARM based boards , like rt433uah , but there are problems with performance and sata ports .
EPIA SN 10000 is standard PC , in really small form factor , and have fanless CPU 1.0GHz , up to 4 GB of ram , 4 sata ports , 2 ethernet ports ( one of them is gigabite ) , audio , ide , compact flash , minipci , and lots of usbs .
ANd of course vga .
I 'm currenlty creating system from it , and mirrored set of 4 caviar green series hard drives + system on compact flash .
Eventually i will add one SSD as a kind of cache .
All powered prefrebly by ZFS : ) All i need now i good and efficient Power Supply for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think "EPIA SN 10000" or "18000" is the best in kind of performance and energy.
I was thinking about some MIPS or ARM based boards, like rt433uah, but there are problems with performance and sata ports.
EPIA SN 10000 is standard PC, in really small form factor, and have fanless CPU 1.0GHz, up to 4 GB of ram, 4 sata ports, 2 ethernet ports (one of them is gigabite), audio, ide, compact flash, minipci, and lots of usbs.
ANd of course vga.
I'm currenlty creating system from it, and mirrored set of 4 caviar green series hard drives + system on compact flash.
Eventually i will add one SSD as a kind of cache.
All powered prefrebly by ZFS :)

All i need now i good and efficient Power Supply for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870563</id>
	<title>Linutop (8W)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256556360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally for my home server I use a Linutop (<a href="http://www.linutop.com/" title="linutop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linutop.com/</a> [linutop.com]).<br>Makers claim it draws just 8W, but I've added an external disk (haven't mesured how much that uses in total).<br>I installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it and run apache, nfsd, ldap, backup-pc (perl program) plus a number of other small programs.<br>Its a bit slow on the disk access (can't run a home account from the nfs share), but for everything else it works great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally for my home server I use a Linutop ( http : //www.linutop.com/ [ linutop.com ] ) .Makers claim it draws just 8W , but I 've added an external disk ( have n't mesured how much that uses in total ) .I installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it and run apache , nfsd , ldap , backup-pc ( perl program ) plus a number of other small programs.Its a bit slow on the disk access ( ca n't run a home account from the nfs share ) , but for everything else it works great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally for my home server I use a Linutop (http://www.linutop.com/ [linutop.com]).Makers claim it draws just 8W, but I've added an external disk (haven't mesured how much that uses in total).I installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it and run apache, nfsd, ldap, backup-pc (perl program) plus a number of other small programs.Its a bit slow on the disk access (can't run a home account from the nfs share), but for everything else it works great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865813</id>
	<title>Re:Via Epia 5000</title>
	<author>(H)elix1</author>
	<datestamp>1256497200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got one of these running my local subversion repositories and a few other processes.  As a bonus, it is fanless.  One gotcha is it is a i586 CPU, which means distros like Centos and a few others will not install without a bit of extra work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got one of these running my local subversion repositories and a few other processes .
As a bonus , it is fanless .
One gotcha is it is a i586 CPU , which means distros like Centos and a few others will not install without a bit of extra work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got one of these running my local subversion repositories and a few other processes.
As a bonus, it is fanless.
One gotcha is it is a i586 CPU, which means distros like Centos and a few others will not install without a bit of extra work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865759</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Sorny</author>
	<datestamp>1256496780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI@home on my Mini... That is with a bus powered FW external HDD for Time Machine hooked up and not spinning down the disks when idle.</p><p>A Mac Mini uses nowhere near the power you claim, unless you've got a case where both cores, the GPU, the HDD, and the DVD Burner all all running full tilt at once; a pretty tough thing to do with the use described by the submitter, I'd say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI @ home on my Mini... That is with a bus powered FW external HDD for Time Machine hooked up and not spinning down the disks when idle.A Mac Mini uses nowhere near the power you claim , unless you 've got a case where both cores , the GPU , the HDD , and the DVD Burner all all running full tilt at once ; a pretty tough thing to do with the use described by the submitter , I 'd say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI@home on my Mini... That is with a bus powered FW external HDD for Time Machine hooked up and not spinning down the disks when idle.A Mac Mini uses nowhere near the power you claim, unless you've got a case where both cores, the GPU, the HDD, and the DVD Burner all all running full tilt at once; a pretty tough thing to do with the use described by the submitter, I'd say.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871267</id>
	<title>OLPC</title>
	<author>abcjared</author>
	<datestamp>1256565480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can get one...

Small, durable, lowpower...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can get one.. . Small , durable , lowpower.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can get one...

Small, durable, lowpower...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865607</id>
	<title>Mini doesn't use 85W at idle.</title>
	<author>fahrvergnugen</author>
	<datestamp>1256495580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where are you getting 85W for the Mini? Maybe under load it's that high, but at idle it's much less. Apple publishes <a href="http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/Mac-mini\_Environmental\_Report\_20091020.pdf" title="apple.com">power consumption numbers</a> [apple.com] on all their consumer systems, and the mini pulls 13.5W at idle load (aka. "apache, imap, ssh and some nfs."). Not to say you couldn't do even better with some other lower-power ARM- or ATOM-based options on busybox, but for your specs the Mini is certainly a contender.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are you getting 85W for the Mini ?
Maybe under load it 's that high , but at idle it 's much less .
Apple publishes power consumption numbers [ apple.com ] on all their consumer systems , and the mini pulls 13.5W at idle load ( aka .
" apache , imap , ssh and some nfs. " ) .
Not to say you could n't do even better with some other lower-power ARM- or ATOM-based options on busybox , but for your specs the Mini is certainly a contender .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are you getting 85W for the Mini?
Maybe under load it's that high, but at idle it's much less.
Apple publishes power consumption numbers [apple.com] on all their consumer systems, and the mini pulls 13.5W at idle load (aka.
"apache, imap, ssh and some nfs.").
Not to say you couldn't do even better with some other lower-power ARM- or ATOM-based options on busybox, but for your specs the Mini is certainly a contender.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866043</id>
	<title>Foxconn RS233 Barebones....nuff said...</title>
	<author>NRP128</author>
	<datestamp>1256498820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119011&amp;cm\_re=RS-233-\_-56-119-011-\_-Product" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119011&amp;cm\_re=RS-233-\_-56-119-011-\_-Product</a> [newegg.com]</p><p>Basically a netbook in a box, for about $170US (each) i built a pair of small linux servers to handle all my chores...1.6Ghz Atom Procs, 2GB of RAM, 500GB 5400RPM drives.</p><p>The only downside i've found thus far is no gigabit, but they have a single PCI slot if you really need it, gig-e cards are cheap.</p><p>I have 0 complaints thus far, one box has been running since July, another i just brought up last week.  The temperature in my office dropped 5 by turning off the box I replaced, and I went from about 120-130W constant draw to about 60W.</p><p>Its not as good as a Mini as power consumption, but I have two machines, and still have less than even the low-end mini in them in up-front costs.</p><p>I have been working on lowering my power consumption for just over a year now, with a lot of success (reduced my power bill by 20-30\%).  I did a couple of somewhat lame writeups on my website about my server upgrades and the power consumption changes:<br><a href="http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2009/08/01/new-server-pollux/" title="peelman.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2009/08/01/new-server-pollux/</a> [peelman.us]<br><a href="http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2008/10/29/file-server-upgrades/" title="peelman.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2008/10/29/file-server-upgrades/</a> [peelman.us]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16856119011&amp;cm \ _re = RS-233- \ _-56-119-011- \ _-Product [ newegg.com ] Basically a netbook in a box , for about $ 170US ( each ) i built a pair of small linux servers to handle all my chores...1.6Ghz Atom Procs , 2GB of RAM , 500GB 5400RPM drives.The only downside i 've found thus far is no gigabit , but they have a single PCI slot if you really need it , gig-e cards are cheap.I have 0 complaints thus far , one box has been running since July , another i just brought up last week .
The temperature in my office dropped 5 by turning off the box I replaced , and I went from about 120-130W constant draw to about 60W.Its not as good as a Mini as power consumption , but I have two machines , and still have less than even the low-end mini in them in up-front costs.I have been working on lowering my power consumption for just over a year now , with a lot of success ( reduced my power bill by 20-30 \ % ) .
I did a couple of somewhat lame writeups on my website about my server upgrades and the power consumption changes : http : //www.peelman.us/wordpress/2009/08/01/new-server-pollux/ [ peelman.us ] http : //www.peelman.us/wordpress/2008/10/29/file-server-upgrades/ [ peelman.us ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119011&amp;cm\_re=RS-233-\_-56-119-011-\_-Product [newegg.com]Basically a netbook in a box, for about $170US (each) i built a pair of small linux servers to handle all my chores...1.6Ghz Atom Procs, 2GB of RAM, 500GB 5400RPM drives.The only downside i've found thus far is no gigabit, but they have a single PCI slot if you really need it, gig-e cards are cheap.I have 0 complaints thus far, one box has been running since July, another i just brought up last week.
The temperature in my office dropped 5 by turning off the box I replaced, and I went from about 120-130W constant draw to about 60W.Its not as good as a Mini as power consumption, but I have two machines, and still have less than even the low-end mini in them in up-front costs.I have been working on lowering my power consumption for just over a year now, with a lot of success (reduced my power bill by 20-30\%).
I did a couple of somewhat lame writeups on my website about my server upgrades and the power consumption changes:http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2009/08/01/new-server-pollux/ [peelman.us]http://www.peelman.us/wordpress/2008/10/29/file-server-upgrades/ [peelman.us]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866185</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>blacksmith\_tb</author>
	<datestamp>1256499720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the same hardware, I think, but there's also the <a href="http://www.tonido.com/" title="tonido.com" rel="nofollow">TonidoPlug</a> [tonido.com], which costs $99 too, and comes with Jaunty preinstalled, along with some snazzy-looking apps (the roll-your-own OpenID seems groovy).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the same hardware , I think , but there 's also the TonidoPlug [ tonido.com ] , which costs $ 99 too , and comes with Jaunty preinstalled , along with some snazzy-looking apps ( the roll-your-own OpenID seems groovy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the same hardware, I think, but there's also the TonidoPlug [tonido.com], which costs $99 too, and comes with Jaunty preinstalled, along with some snazzy-looking apps (the roll-your-own OpenID seems groovy).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873953</id>
	<title>Check out the Alix series SBCs</title>
	<author>BuffyLyon</author>
	<datestamp>1256579460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty decent system for 5 watts; runs on a Geode so you can run most any x86 Linux distro. There's a slightly modified version of Ubuntu for flash filesystem, although if you're talking about NFS you'll probably want to add a disk. Limited support for that, but you can always use Passports or something like that via USB if you need multiple disks.</p><p>They make great routers, firewalls etc. in the diskless configuration. About $150 for a board, case and power supply, as I recall. NFS performance ain't gonna be great, but it should do it. And they run on 12 +/- a bunch volts, which make battery backup a real breeze.</p><p>For a little more power (in both respects) check out some of the older pizza box workstations or PC rack servers, like the HP 9000/710 or the IBM x300. Depending on processor and number of disks these things can be pretty frugal; getting into the 30 W range should be possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty decent system for 5 watts ; runs on a Geode so you can run most any x86 Linux distro .
There 's a slightly modified version of Ubuntu for flash filesystem , although if you 're talking about NFS you 'll probably want to add a disk .
Limited support for that , but you can always use Passports or something like that via USB if you need multiple disks.They make great routers , firewalls etc .
in the diskless configuration .
About $ 150 for a board , case and power supply , as I recall .
NFS performance ai n't gon na be great , but it should do it .
And they run on 12 + /- a bunch volts , which make battery backup a real breeze.For a little more power ( in both respects ) check out some of the older pizza box workstations or PC rack servers , like the HP 9000/710 or the IBM x300 .
Depending on processor and number of disks these things can be pretty frugal ; getting into the 30 W range should be possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty decent system for 5 watts; runs on a Geode so you can run most any x86 Linux distro.
There's a slightly modified version of Ubuntu for flash filesystem, although if you're talking about NFS you'll probably want to add a disk.
Limited support for that, but you can always use Passports or something like that via USB if you need multiple disks.They make great routers, firewalls etc.
in the diskless configuration.
About $150 for a board, case and power supply, as I recall.
NFS performance ain't gonna be great, but it should do it.
And they run on 12 +/- a bunch volts, which make battery backup a real breeze.For a little more power (in both respects) check out some of the older pizza box workstations or PC rack servers, like the HP 9000/710 or the IBM x300.
Depending on processor and number of disks these things can be pretty frugal; getting into the 30 W range should be possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867437</id>
	<title>Do you have central heating?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256469000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watt per watt, a computer isn't any less efficient putting out heat than any other (electrical) system, so you'd be making up for the "saved" energy otherwise. Of course, if you're in a warm climate (i.e. have to use AC) then your savings will be even greater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watt per watt , a computer is n't any less efficient putting out heat than any other ( electrical ) system , so you 'd be making up for the " saved " energy otherwise .
Of course , if you 're in a warm climate ( i.e .
have to use AC ) then your savings will be even greater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watt per watt, a computer isn't any less efficient putting out heat than any other (electrical) system, so you'd be making up for the "saved" energy otherwise.
Of course, if you're in a warm climate (i.e.
have to use AC) then your savings will be even greater.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867579</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>aphelion\_rock</author>
	<datestamp>1256471220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run my server on an old HP omnibook. I boot up with an external monitor/ kbd / mouse  which allows me to shut the lid once it has booted. It has a 600Mhz processor and 256 Meg ram and runs Damn Small Linux. The power consumption settles down to 17-19 watts after a while and it survives any power glitches due to the built in battery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run my server on an old HP omnibook .
I boot up with an external monitor/ kbd / mouse which allows me to shut the lid once it has booted .
It has a 600Mhz processor and 256 Meg ram and runs Damn Small Linux .
The power consumption settles down to 17-19 watts after a while and it survives any power glitches due to the built in battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run my server on an old HP omnibook.
I boot up with an external monitor/ kbd / mouse  which allows me to shut the lid once it has booted.
It has a 600Mhz processor and 256 Meg ram and runs Damn Small Linux.
The power consumption settles down to 17-19 watts after a while and it survives any power glitches due to the built in battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867133</id>
	<title>Fit-PC</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1256465160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I replaced my NSLU2 with a fit-pc as a home server: v. low wattage (8W) and Ubuntu pre-installed was a big plus for me, after hacking around with the NSLU2. The Fit-PC just works and has a little more processing headroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I replaced my NSLU2 with a fit-pc as a home server : v. low wattage ( 8W ) and Ubuntu pre-installed was a big plus for me , after hacking around with the NSLU2 .
The Fit-PC just works and has a little more processing headroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I replaced my NSLU2 with a fit-pc as a home server: v. low wattage (8W) and Ubuntu pre-installed was a big plus for me, after hacking around with the NSLU2.
The Fit-PC just works and has a little more processing headroom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867213</id>
	<title>Re:So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256466300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to save $70 a year, shave some fat off of your cell phone plan if you have one.. those bastards rake in extra money left and right</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to save $ 70 a year , shave some fat off of your cell phone plan if you have one.. those bastards rake in extra money left and right</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to save $70 a year, shave some fat off of your cell phone plan if you have one.. those bastards rake in extra money left and right</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869009</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1256491020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts....</p><p>Apple's website claims that the new Mac mini they just came on the market with uses only 14 W when idle. They also make a server version for those who don't have the skill or inclination to mess around with Linux. It is easy to setup and administer for those with limited computer skills. The Mac mini is also essentially silent and that may be a consideration.</p><p>Anyone who does have the skill and time, would likely be better off with a cheaper solution. For some people, who do have the skills, their time may be more valuable than the difference in price for a cheap box. Of course, for anyone who posts a lot on Slashdot, time cannot be too valuable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Also , the mac mini draws 110 watts....Apple 's website claims that the new Mac mini they just came on the market with uses only 14 W when idle .
They also make a server version for those who do n't have the skill or inclination to mess around with Linux .
It is easy to setup and administer for those with limited computer skills .
The Mac mini is also essentially silent and that may be a consideration.Anyone who does have the skill and time , would likely be better off with a cheaper solution .
For some people , who do have the skills , their time may be more valuable than the difference in price for a cheap box .
Of course , for anyone who posts a lot on Slashdot , time can not be too valuable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts....Apple's website claims that the new Mac mini they just came on the market with uses only 14 W when idle.
They also make a server version for those who don't have the skill or inclination to mess around with Linux.
It is easy to setup and administer for those with limited computer skills.
The Mac mini is also essentially silent and that may be a consideration.Anyone who does have the skill and time, would likely be better off with a cheaper solution.
For some people, who do have the skills, their time may be more valuable than the difference in price for a cheap box.
Of course, for anyone who posts a lot on Slashdot, time cannot be too valuable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866799</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>Rudolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256461680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>300 dollar? you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that...</i></p><p>Did you read the full question?  The submitter knows it will take 4+ years to break even.</p><p>"... which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>300 dollar ?
you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that...Did you read the full question ?
The submitter knows it will take 4 + years to break even. " .. .
which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300 dollar?
you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that...Did you read the full question?
The submitter knows it will take 4+ years to break even."...
which I could then earn back in about four years through power savings.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29879239</id>
	<title>Get a PogoPlug</title>
	<author>networkr</author>
	<datestamp>1256561700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Neat little device, creates a tunnel so you don't have to fiddle with ports on your router with an account that is included in $99 purchase price.

<a href="http://www.pogoplug.com/" title="pogoplug.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pogoplug.com/</a> [pogoplug.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Neat little device , creates a tunnel so you do n't have to fiddle with ports on your router with an account that is included in $ 99 purchase price .
http : //www.pogoplug.com/ [ pogoplug.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Neat little device, creates a tunnel so you don't have to fiddle with ports on your router with an account that is included in $99 purchase price.
http://www.pogoplug.com/ [pogoplug.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874809</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>lien\_meat</author>
	<datestamp>1256583360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My sister was throwing out a 1.6ghz celeron M based laptop because she bought a new laptop, and the display was broken on the old one (she never bothered to have anyone fix it, even though it wasn't that expensive to fix...).  I just completely removed the screen, since I don't care to use it as a laptop, and fixing it costs money I don't want to spend.  Anyway, I've been running it as a web server/NAS/file server for about 4 months now, and it does really well.  I don't know the numbers for power usage, but I know it's better than the dell thin-client machine with a p3 at 1ghz I was using before.  It's also quicker, as this celeron M is basically a core2 solo...  Can't do much better than free...  Although I would LOVE to get my hands on a sheevaplug.  I just may buy one...</htmltext>
<tokenext>My sister was throwing out a 1.6ghz celeron M based laptop because she bought a new laptop , and the display was broken on the old one ( she never bothered to have anyone fix it , even though it was n't that expensive to fix... ) .
I just completely removed the screen , since I do n't care to use it as a laptop , and fixing it costs money I do n't want to spend .
Anyway , I 've been running it as a web server/NAS/file server for about 4 months now , and it does really well .
I do n't know the numbers for power usage , but I know it 's better than the dell thin-client machine with a p3 at 1ghz I was using before .
It 's also quicker , as this celeron M is basically a core2 solo... Ca n't do much better than free... Although I would LOVE to get my hands on a sheevaplug .
I just may buy one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My sister was throwing out a 1.6ghz celeron M based laptop because she bought a new laptop, and the display was broken on the old one (she never bothered to have anyone fix it, even though it wasn't that expensive to fix...).
I just completely removed the screen, since I don't care to use it as a laptop, and fixing it costs money I don't want to spend.
Anyway, I've been running it as a web server/NAS/file server for about 4 months now, and it does really well.
I don't know the numbers for power usage, but I know it's better than the dell thin-client machine with a p3 at 1ghz I was using before.
It's also quicker, as this celeron M is basically a core2 solo...  Can't do much better than free...  Although I would LOVE to get my hands on a sheevaplug.
I just may buy one...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867561</id>
	<title>D-Link DNS-32x Series</title>
	<author>da3dAlus</author>
	<datestamp>1256470980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can definitely have a full-fledged linux environment on one of the DNS-323 or DNS-321 NAS units from D-Link. Basically you just drop 1 file into your root directory, reboot, and you have telnet access. From there you can pretty much install anything in the repository of pre-compiled binaries. I switched from a 4-bay server tower to this little NAS about a year ago, and I haven't had any issues. I eventually want to get another, though right now I don't have the need. See <a href="http://wiki.dns323.info/" title="dns323.info">http://wiki.dns323.info/</a> [dns323.info] for info.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can definitely have a full-fledged linux environment on one of the DNS-323 or DNS-321 NAS units from D-Link .
Basically you just drop 1 file into your root directory , reboot , and you have telnet access .
From there you can pretty much install anything in the repository of pre-compiled binaries .
I switched from a 4-bay server tower to this little NAS about a year ago , and I have n't had any issues .
I eventually want to get another , though right now I do n't have the need .
See http : //wiki.dns323.info/ [ dns323.info ] for info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can definitely have a full-fledged linux environment on one of the DNS-323 or DNS-321 NAS units from D-Link.
Basically you just drop 1 file into your root directory, reboot, and you have telnet access.
From there you can pretty much install anything in the repository of pre-compiled binaries.
I switched from a 4-bay server tower to this little NAS about a year ago, and I haven't had any issues.
I eventually want to get another, though right now I don't have the need.
See http://wiki.dns323.info/ [dns323.info] for info.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29880591</id>
	<title>MSI Nettop - Atom 330</title>
	<author>ClickWir</author>
	<datestamp>1256575680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MSI Wind Nettop with an Intel Atom 330 dual core processor. You choose the RAM, HDD and Optical drive.</p><p>Perfect for a home server. Even SOHO, it's a great system.</p><p><a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-nettop-dual-core-intel,6846.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-nettop-dual-core-intel,6846.html</a> [tomshardware.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MSI Wind Nettop with an Intel Atom 330 dual core processor .
You choose the RAM , HDD and Optical drive.Perfect for a home server .
Even SOHO , it 's a great system.http : //www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-nettop-dual-core-intel,6846.html [ tomshardware.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSI Wind Nettop with an Intel Atom 330 dual core processor.
You choose the RAM, HDD and Optical drive.Perfect for a home server.
Even SOHO, it's a great system.http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-nettop-dual-core-intel,6846.html [tomshardware.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29875355</id>
	<title>Mac Mini and Airport Extreme</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1256585820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Sheeva plug is something I have looked at and I am still tempted to get.</p><p>The other solution I have in place is a Mac mini with the Airport Extreme. The interesting thing with this combination is that the computer can sleep when not in use and the Airport Extreme can wake it up when there is traffic for the Mac's IP address. The solution can even be made to work wirelessly. This works with Snow Leopard (MacOS X 10.6), but I would interested to know whether this solution can work with Linux and possibly another router?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Sheeva plug is something I have looked at and I am still tempted to get.The other solution I have in place is a Mac mini with the Airport Extreme .
The interesting thing with this combination is that the computer can sleep when not in use and the Airport Extreme can wake it up when there is traffic for the Mac 's IP address .
The solution can even be made to work wirelessly .
This works with Snow Leopard ( MacOS X 10.6 ) , but I would interested to know whether this solution can work with Linux and possibly another router ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Sheeva plug is something I have looked at and I am still tempted to get.The other solution I have in place is a Mac mini with the Airport Extreme.
The interesting thing with this combination is that the computer can sleep when not in use and the Airport Extreme can wake it up when there is traffic for the Mac's IP address.
The solution can even be made to work wirelessly.
This works with Snow Leopard (MacOS X 10.6), but I would interested to know whether this solution can work with Linux and possibly another router?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866151</id>
	<title>Mini.</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1256499540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, a mini doesn't draw about 85 watts.  A mini COULD in THEORY under FULL LOAD draw about 85 watts.  You're very unlikely to keep it fully loaded, so it'll draw a lot less.  It is more expensive, true, but:  If it does stuff an order of magnitude faster than the super-cheap low-end system, that reduces your costs.  Think about "time it takes to rebuild the kernel", and how much that costs, for instance.  Basically, on modern CPUs, speed is often also power efficiency.</p><p>You can spend a ton of time and effort trying to beat this one, or you can get something aimed at solving your problem out of the box.  (BTW, the other candidate I'd recommend, which is nigh-identical, is "a cheap laptop".)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , a mini does n't draw about 85 watts .
A mini COULD in THEORY under FULL LOAD draw about 85 watts .
You 're very unlikely to keep it fully loaded , so it 'll draw a lot less .
It is more expensive , true , but : If it does stuff an order of magnitude faster than the super-cheap low-end system , that reduces your costs .
Think about " time it takes to rebuild the kernel " , and how much that costs , for instance .
Basically , on modern CPUs , speed is often also power efficiency.You can spend a ton of time and effort trying to beat this one , or you can get something aimed at solving your problem out of the box .
( BTW , the other candidate I 'd recommend , which is nigh-identical , is " a cheap laptop " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, a mini doesn't draw about 85 watts.
A mini COULD in THEORY under FULL LOAD draw about 85 watts.
You're very unlikely to keep it fully loaded, so it'll draw a lot less.
It is more expensive, true, but:  If it does stuff an order of magnitude faster than the super-cheap low-end system, that reduces your costs.
Think about "time it takes to rebuild the kernel", and how much that costs, for instance.
Basically, on modern CPUs, speed is often also power efficiency.You can spend a ton of time and effort trying to beat this one, or you can get something aimed at solving your problem out of the box.
(BTW, the other candidate I'd recommend, which is nigh-identical, is "a cheap laptop".
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876987</id>
	<title>HP MediaSmart Server</title>
	<author>tsvenkat</author>
	<datestamp>1256549940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out the HP MediaSmart server. Agreed, it is not linux powered, but hey, 52W is pretty good right ?

Here's some statistics (I googled and found this link) available: <a href="http://www.hanselman.com/blog/PowerConsumptionOfTheHPMediaSmartHPHomeServer.aspx" title="hanselman.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hanselman.com/blog/PowerConsumptionOfTheHPMediaSmartHPHomeServer.aspx</a> [hanselman.com]

-Venkat</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out the HP MediaSmart server .
Agreed , it is not linux powered , but hey , 52W is pretty good right ?
Here 's some statistics ( I googled and found this link ) available : http : //www.hanselman.com/blog/PowerConsumptionOfTheHPMediaSmartHPHomeServer.aspx [ hanselman.com ] -Venkat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out the HP MediaSmart server.
Agreed, it is not linux powered, but hey, 52W is pretty good right ?
Here's some statistics (I googled and found this link) available: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/PowerConsumptionOfTheHPMediaSmartHPHomeServer.aspx [hanselman.com]

-Venkat</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876857</id>
	<title>Lightweight tech for lightweight spec</title>
	<author>Foobar\_</author>
	<datestamp>1256549460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using the same web server I have since 2000 - a Pentium MMX running at 233 MHz with 128 MB of PC133 SDRAM. The hard drives and RAM have been upgraded over the years of course; now it features 320 GB of SATA space thanks to a SATA PCI card. I took out the video card because the system runs headless.</p><p>Power draw with both drives running? 14 watts. 100\% CPU usage? 16 W.</p><p>It serves quite the web page too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using the same web server I have since 2000 - a Pentium MMX running at 233 MHz with 128 MB of PC133 SDRAM .
The hard drives and RAM have been upgraded over the years of course ; now it features 320 GB of SATA space thanks to a SATA PCI card .
I took out the video card because the system runs headless.Power draw with both drives running ?
14 watts .
100 \ % CPU usage ?
16 W.It serves quite the web page too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using the same web server I have since 2000 - a Pentium MMX running at 233 MHz with 128 MB of PC133 SDRAM.
The hard drives and RAM have been upgraded over the years of course; now it features 320 GB of SATA space thanks to a SATA PCI card.
I took out the video card because the system runs headless.Power draw with both drives running?
14 watts.
100\% CPU usage?
16 W.It serves quite the web page too!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874045</id>
	<title>Check out this Atom low-power kit</title>
	<author>default luser</author>
	<datestamp>1256579820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just saw this reviewed on SPCR: <a href="http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610" title="silentpcreview.com">Intel finally released a MiniITX motherboard with an Atom processor and and a mobile 945 chipset</a> [silentpcreview.com]!  Even with a 2.5" hard drive, idle power is less than 10w, and peak power is around 16w.</p><p>The board features Gigabit Ethernet, and if you need 2 NICs there is a PCI slot and a MiniPCIe.  Performance should be plenty for anything server-related (2 SATA), and if you need more drives you can add them via USB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just saw this reviewed on SPCR : Intel finally released a MiniITX motherboard with an Atom processor and and a mobile 945 chipset [ silentpcreview.com ] !
Even with a 2.5 " hard drive , idle power is less than 10w , and peak power is around 16w.The board features Gigabit Ethernet , and if you need 2 NICs there is a PCI slot and a MiniPCIe .
Performance should be plenty for anything server-related ( 2 SATA ) , and if you need more drives you can add them via USB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just saw this reviewed on SPCR: Intel finally released a MiniITX motherboard with an Atom processor and and a mobile 945 chipset [silentpcreview.com]!
Even with a 2.5" hard drive, idle power is less than 10w, and peak power is around 16w.The board features Gigabit Ethernet, and if you need 2 NICs there is a PCI slot and a MiniPCIe.
Performance should be plenty for anything server-related (2 SATA), and if you need more drives you can add them via USB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866669</id>
	<title>Your power costs are probably wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running 3 desktops as servers 24/7 for over a year. Each physical machine runs 6 VMs.</p><p>My entire home (4BR) power bill last month was $54 and in July with A/C running it was $145.  It will dip around $38 in December and I really don't conserve any power beyond turning off things when I'm not in the room. Of that $38, most goes to the fridge, then to the toaster oven, microwave, air drier, coffee maker, HDTVs and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then the computers. Oven, hot water and house heater are gas here.</p><p>I've placed a Kill-a-Watt on each of the PCs. At boot, they use around 80-180W of power for 30-60 seconds, but then each drops to 40W, 50W and 80W (the older E6600 chip with a RAID card and external disk array) steady state. Yawn. Not worth the trouble for $5/month of cost ($60/yr).</p><p>BTW, BensBargains had an Atom processor + MB (with lots of crappy built-in peripherals) for $89 today. You'll have to add a case, OS, cables, and other stuff, so plan another $100 min.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running 3 desktops as servers 24/7 for over a year .
Each physical machine runs 6 VMs.My entire home ( 4BR ) power bill last month was $ 54 and in July with A/C running it was $ 145 .
It will dip around $ 38 in December and I really do n't conserve any power beyond turning off things when I 'm not in the room .
Of that $ 38 , most goes to the fridge , then to the toaster oven , microwave , air drier , coffee maker , HDTVs and ... then the computers .
Oven , hot water and house heater are gas here.I 've placed a Kill-a-Watt on each of the PCs .
At boot , they use around 80-180W of power for 30-60 seconds , but then each drops to 40W , 50W and 80W ( the older E6600 chip with a RAID card and external disk array ) steady state .
Yawn. Not worth the trouble for $ 5/month of cost ( $ 60/yr ) .BTW , BensBargains had an Atom processor + MB ( with lots of crappy built-in peripherals ) for $ 89 today .
You 'll have to add a case , OS , cables , and other stuff , so plan another $ 100 min .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running 3 desktops as servers 24/7 for over a year.
Each physical machine runs 6 VMs.My entire home (4BR) power bill last month was $54 and in July with A/C running it was $145.
It will dip around $38 in December and I really don't conserve any power beyond turning off things when I'm not in the room.
Of that $38, most goes to the fridge, then to the toaster oven, microwave, air drier, coffee maker, HDTVs and ... then the computers.
Oven, hot water and house heater are gas here.I've placed a Kill-a-Watt on each of the PCs.
At boot, they use around 80-180W of power for 30-60 seconds, but then each drops to 40W, 50W and 80W (the older E6600 chip with a RAID card and external disk array) steady state.
Yawn. Not worth the trouble for $5/month of cost ($60/yr).BTW, BensBargains had an Atom processor + MB (with lots of crappy built-in peripherals) for $89 today.
You'll have to add a case, OS, cables, and other stuff, so plan another $100 min.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865477</id>
	<title>Open-Rd</title>
	<author>nukem996</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm doing some ARM development and we use an OpenRD(http://www.open-rd.org/) board to compile and test some apps. It has dual NICs, a ton of USB ports, and an eSATA port. Internally it only has a 4G SATA DOM so you probably want to use some sort of external media. It comes with Debian Lenny installed, but you can install other things. The biggest pain in the ass is dealing with uboot but once you get it working its like a normal PC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm doing some ARM development and we use an OpenRD ( http : //www.open-rd.org/ ) board to compile and test some apps .
It has dual NICs , a ton of USB ports , and an eSATA port .
Internally it only has a 4G SATA DOM so you probably want to use some sort of external media .
It comes with Debian Lenny installed , but you can install other things .
The biggest pain in the ass is dealing with uboot but once you get it working its like a normal PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm doing some ARM development and we use an OpenRD(http://www.open-rd.org/) board to compile and test some apps.
It has dual NICs, a ton of USB ports, and an eSATA port.
Internally it only has a 4G SATA DOM so you probably want to use some sort of external media.
It comes with Debian Lenny installed, but you can install other things.
The biggest pain in the ass is dealing with uboot but once you get it working its like a normal PC.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865837</id>
	<title>Amd geode koulu with Ubuntu factory install</title>
	<author>thegiorgio</author>
	<datestamp>1256497320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got one of these:<br><a href="http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/Works-Everywhere-Appliance.html" title="koolu.com" rel="nofollow">http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/Works-Everywhere-Appliance.html</a> [koolu.com]</p><p>Geode is a bit underpowered but for a file server and torrent daemon, it's plenty enough. Comes with an internal 80gb hdd but can also boot from usb, btw 4 usb ports is really great. Fanless and uses less than 10 watts! It also comes with ubuntu pre installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got one of these : http : //koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/Works-Everywhere-Appliance.html [ koolu.com ] Geode is a bit underpowered but for a file server and torrent daemon , it 's plenty enough .
Comes with an internal 80gb hdd but can also boot from usb , btw 4 usb ports is really great .
Fanless and uses less than 10 watts !
It also comes with ubuntu pre installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got one of these:http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/Works-Everywhere-Appliance.html [koolu.com]Geode is a bit underpowered but for a file server and torrent daemon, it's plenty enough.
Comes with an internal 80gb hdd but can also boot from usb, btw 4 usb ports is really great.
Fanless and uses less than 10 watts!
It also comes with ubuntu pre installed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866093</id>
	<title>Re:ALIX</title>
	<author>dfranks</author>
	<datestamp>1256499180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also use Alix cards and highly recommend them.  They have a 44pin IDE (notebook, 2.5") connector, CF and PCI/mini PCI slots (several versions available).  They run 3-5 watts at 12v and work well with Voyage linux (stripped down debian, ideal for your use).  The Alix cards run between $100 and $130.  You can also add a mini-pci WiFi card for around $25 and use the system as a router/firewall as well (they are available with up to 3 ethernet ports).  Voyage/MadWiFi supports AP mode for the wireless.  The Alix cards are mini-itx or smaller and do not need a fan or heat sink.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also use Alix cards and highly recommend them .
They have a 44pin IDE ( notebook , 2.5 " ) connector , CF and PCI/mini PCI slots ( several versions available ) .
They run 3-5 watts at 12v and work well with Voyage linux ( stripped down debian , ideal for your use ) .
The Alix cards run between $ 100 and $ 130 .
You can also add a mini-pci WiFi card for around $ 25 and use the system as a router/firewall as well ( they are available with up to 3 ethernet ports ) .
Voyage/MadWiFi supports AP mode for the wireless .
The Alix cards are mini-itx or smaller and do not need a fan or heat sink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also use Alix cards and highly recommend them.
They have a 44pin IDE (notebook, 2.5") connector, CF and PCI/mini PCI slots (several versions available).
They run 3-5 watts at 12v and work well with Voyage linux (stripped down debian, ideal for your use).
The Alix cards run between $100 and $130.
You can also add a mini-pci WiFi card for around $25 and use the system as a router/firewall as well (they are available with up to 3 ethernet ports).
Voyage/MadWiFi supports AP mode for the wireless.
The Alix cards are mini-itx or smaller and do not need a fan or heat sink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29917841</id>
	<title>Shuttle X27D</title>
	<author>Misch</author>
	<datestamp>1256816580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.techbargains.com/news\_displayItem.cfm/183193" title="techbargains.com">Shuttle X27D is listed at eWiz for about $170</a> [techbargains.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shuttle X27D is listed at eWiz for about $ 170 [ techbargains.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shuttle X27D is listed at eWiz for about $170 [techbargains.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870215</id>
	<title>Apple TV</title>
	<author>Octatonic</author>
	<datestamp>1256551380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like a lot of people, I've hacked an Apple TV to give me SSH/SFTP.
You can upgrade the HD, install quite a bit.
I run Boxee on it and it is a very flexible media server.

Check out <a href="http://www.appletvhacks.net/" title="appletvhacks.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.appletvhacks.net/</a> [appletvhacks.net] for info on what you can do with it.
Max power draw is 48 watts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like a lot of people , I 've hacked an Apple TV to give me SSH/SFTP .
You can upgrade the HD , install quite a bit .
I run Boxee on it and it is a very flexible media server .
Check out http : //www.appletvhacks.net/ [ appletvhacks.net ] for info on what you can do with it .
Max power draw is 48 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like a lot of people, I've hacked an Apple TV to give me SSH/SFTP.
You can upgrade the HD, install quite a bit.
I run Boxee on it and it is a very flexible media server.
Check out http://www.appletvhacks.net/ [appletvhacks.net] for info on what you can do with it.
Max power draw is 48 watts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868731</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>jeremyhu</author>
	<datestamp>1256486220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you actually read the info on the link you posted?  That link shows that it uses 14W at idle and the PS supplies 110W max.  Other sites show the older Mini pulling between 30 and 40W under full load.</p><p>The mini is by far the least power-hungry small factor computer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you actually read the info on the link you posted ?
That link shows that it uses 14W at idle and the PS supplies 110W max .
Other sites show the older Mini pulling between 30 and 40W under full load.The mini is by far the least power-hungry small factor computer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you actually read the info on the link you posted?
That link shows that it uses 14W at idle and the PS supplies 110W max.
Other sites show the older Mini pulling between 30 and 40W under full load.The mini is by far the least power-hungry small factor computer</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865783</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1256496960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had one of these for about two months now and it's amazing. It needs a bit of configuration out of the box to fix some of the odd choices Marvell made in their distribution, but there's two great wikis that support the SheevaPlug so there's plenty of help.  I'd highly recommend it, super low power, very small, and totally open for you to mess with if you'd like.</p><p>I use mine as a media server and rtorrent downloader. It can serve up multiple samba streams at a time without a hitch.  It also has a USB port that I have an external HDD plugged into, though it has its own power plug too (though there are some 2.5 drives that can be powered off USB).</p><p>Definitely get the dev kit, has an SD card slot and serial USB port in addition to the normal USB and ethernet ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had one of these for about two months now and it 's amazing .
It needs a bit of configuration out of the box to fix some of the odd choices Marvell made in their distribution , but there 's two great wikis that support the SheevaPlug so there 's plenty of help .
I 'd highly recommend it , super low power , very small , and totally open for you to mess with if you 'd like.I use mine as a media server and rtorrent downloader .
It can serve up multiple samba streams at a time without a hitch .
It also has a USB port that I have an external HDD plugged into , though it has its own power plug too ( though there are some 2.5 drives that can be powered off USB ) .Definitely get the dev kit , has an SD card slot and serial USB port in addition to the normal USB and ethernet ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had one of these for about two months now and it's amazing.
It needs a bit of configuration out of the box to fix some of the odd choices Marvell made in their distribution, but there's two great wikis that support the SheevaPlug so there's plenty of help.
I'd highly recommend it, super low power, very small, and totally open for you to mess with if you'd like.I use mine as a media server and rtorrent downloader.
It can serve up multiple samba streams at a time without a hitch.
It also has a USB port that I have an external HDD plugged into, though it has its own power plug too (though there are some 2.5 drives that can be powered off USB).Definitely get the dev kit, has an SD card slot and serial USB port in addition to the normal USB and ethernet ports.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868245</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>SplashMyBandit</author>
	<datestamp>1256479860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah. Asus EEE Box. Much cheaper than Mac mini and uses 20 Watts. Runs Ubuntu well (we uses them as cheap boxes for when guests visit us at work). Not really upgradeable though (just disk and RAM).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
Asus EEE Box .
Much cheaper than Mac mini and uses 20 Watts .
Runs Ubuntu well ( we uses them as cheap boxes for when guests visit us at work ) .
Not really upgradeable though ( just disk and RAM ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
Asus EEE Box.
Much cheaper than Mac mini and uses 20 Watts.
Runs Ubuntu well (we uses them as cheap boxes for when guests visit us at work).
Not really upgradeable though (just disk and RAM).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868707</id>
	<title>Old flexATX mobo rebuild!</title>
	<author>Nakarti</author>
	<datestamp>1256485860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mine is a custom construct case, but any atx-based case will do for the old Gateway flexATX or similar ITX boards.<br>I had a 900Mhz PIII on a reclaimed Gateway flexatx with 512sdRAM and a sata controller with 5400rpm 500GB drive, with an old dell sff power supply, 50 watts.<br>I have not metered the rebuild(1u server PSU, itx board, 1.2Ghz) but I imagine it's around the same power.</p><p>IOW: Don't forget the old low-power hardware can still max out 100Mb networks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mine is a custom construct case , but any atx-based case will do for the old Gateway flexATX or similar ITX boards.I had a 900Mhz PIII on a reclaimed Gateway flexatx with 512sdRAM and a sata controller with 5400rpm 500GB drive , with an old dell sff power supply , 50 watts.I have not metered the rebuild ( 1u server PSU , itx board , 1.2Ghz ) but I imagine it 's around the same power.IOW : Do n't forget the old low-power hardware can still max out 100Mb networks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mine is a custom construct case, but any atx-based case will do for the old Gateway flexATX or similar ITX boards.I had a 900Mhz PIII on a reclaimed Gateway flexatx with 512sdRAM and a sata controller with 5400rpm 500GB drive, with an old dell sff power supply, 50 watts.I have not metered the rebuild(1u server PSU, itx board, 1.2Ghz) but I imagine it's around the same power.IOW: Don't forget the old low-power hardware can still max out 100Mb networks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869689</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1256500560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent exposition, to which I would only add that the choice of XFS in the original Buffalo Terastation was ill advised.  You WILL lose all your data at some point if it's not on a UPS, and probably even if it IS on a UPS.  Don't know if they are still using this loser filesystem on their II and II models; I swore I would never use their products again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent exposition , to which I would only add that the choice of XFS in the original Buffalo Terastation was ill advised .
You WILL lose all your data at some point if it 's not on a UPS , and probably even if it IS on a UPS .
Do n't know if they are still using this loser filesystem on their II and II models ; I swore I would never use their products again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent exposition, to which I would only add that the choice of XFS in the original Buffalo Terastation was ill advised.
You WILL lose all your data at some point if it's not on a UPS, and probably even if it IS on a UPS.
Don't know if they are still using this loser filesystem on their II and II models; I swore I would never use their products again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869661</id>
	<title>Don't use published power specs</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1256500260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Measure the power with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1256538688&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">Kill-a-Watt</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>The published power specs are usually some absurdly borderline absolute maximum power supply capability and are not even close to the actual power consumption.</p><p>For example, the Mac Mini I had (Core Duo with Intel video, not the very latest one with Nvidia 9400M) was nowhere near 85 watts - it idled at just about 20 watts.  With the Nvidia, I would estimate no more than 25, 30 at the utmost; almost sure it will be closer to 25.  And it will be idling 99.9\% of the time with this kind of use.  An Aopen Mini will do just as well, and is dead easy to install linux on, and at least as well designed.  I measured mine (Core Duo with Intel video) at 20 watts idle.  They now make fanless industrial Minis that consume even less power.  I've been running a Pentium M mini-ITX 24x7 since 2004 for this type of service; again, it draws 20 watts.  All of these systems are ridiculously quiet, make very low waste heat, and take up very little space if the keyboard/mouse/monitor are not connected (you control them over ssh from your notebook or desktop, you turn them on and off with the power button, which invokes a graceful shutdown via ACPI).</p><p>If you can find a well used 13-14" Pentium M or Core Duo notebook (preferably Intel video which is low power) with a busted display, and are able to install linux using the DB-15 video connector or serial port, you can have a nice system for low bucks.  Once again, I have measured these systems idling with the backlight off, and they are right around 20 watts.  The half decent ones will run a long time 24x7 if they are not stressed, because the fan is barely ticking over.</p><p>I'm looking into some of the ARM stuff now.  It will be substantially less power and still capable of all these kinds of tasks.  I should have this one <a href="http://www.mini-box.com/Samsung-S3C2440A-400MHz?sc=8&amp;category=1130" title="mini-box.com">Mini-2440</a> [mini-box.com] in a couple of days.  It will probably idle below 1 watt with the LCD backlight off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Measure the power with a Kill-a-Watt [ amazon.com ] The published power specs are usually some absurdly borderline absolute maximum power supply capability and are not even close to the actual power consumption.For example , the Mac Mini I had ( Core Duo with Intel video , not the very latest one with Nvidia 9400M ) was nowhere near 85 watts - it idled at just about 20 watts .
With the Nvidia , I would estimate no more than 25 , 30 at the utmost ; almost sure it will be closer to 25 .
And it will be idling 99.9 \ % of the time with this kind of use .
An Aopen Mini will do just as well , and is dead easy to install linux on , and at least as well designed .
I measured mine ( Core Duo with Intel video ) at 20 watts idle .
They now make fanless industrial Minis that consume even less power .
I 've been running a Pentium M mini-ITX 24x7 since 2004 for this type of service ; again , it draws 20 watts .
All of these systems are ridiculously quiet , make very low waste heat , and take up very little space if the keyboard/mouse/monitor are not connected ( you control them over ssh from your notebook or desktop , you turn them on and off with the power button , which invokes a graceful shutdown via ACPI ) .If you can find a well used 13-14 " Pentium M or Core Duo notebook ( preferably Intel video which is low power ) with a busted display , and are able to install linux using the DB-15 video connector or serial port , you can have a nice system for low bucks .
Once again , I have measured these systems idling with the backlight off , and they are right around 20 watts .
The half decent ones will run a long time 24x7 if they are not stressed , because the fan is barely ticking over.I 'm looking into some of the ARM stuff now .
It will be substantially less power and still capable of all these kinds of tasks .
I should have this one Mini-2440 [ mini-box.com ] in a couple of days .
It will probably idle below 1 watt with the LCD backlight off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Measure the power with a Kill-a-Watt [amazon.com]The published power specs are usually some absurdly borderline absolute maximum power supply capability and are not even close to the actual power consumption.For example, the Mac Mini I had (Core Duo with Intel video, not the very latest one with Nvidia 9400M) was nowhere near 85 watts - it idled at just about 20 watts.
With the Nvidia, I would estimate no more than 25, 30 at the utmost; almost sure it will be closer to 25.
And it will be idling 99.9\% of the time with this kind of use.
An Aopen Mini will do just as well, and is dead easy to install linux on, and at least as well designed.
I measured mine (Core Duo with Intel video) at 20 watts idle.
They now make fanless industrial Minis that consume even less power.
I've been running a Pentium M mini-ITX 24x7 since 2004 for this type of service; again, it draws 20 watts.
All of these systems are ridiculously quiet, make very low waste heat, and take up very little space if the keyboard/mouse/monitor are not connected (you control them over ssh from your notebook or desktop, you turn them on and off with the power button, which invokes a graceful shutdown via ACPI).If you can find a well used 13-14" Pentium M or Core Duo notebook (preferably Intel video which is low power) with a busted display, and are able to install linux using the DB-15 video connector or serial port, you can have a nice system for low bucks.
Once again, I have measured these systems idling with the backlight off, and they are right around 20 watts.
The half decent ones will run a long time 24x7 if they are not stressed, because the fan is barely ticking over.I'm looking into some of the ARM stuff now.
It will be substantially less power and still capable of all these kinds of tasks.
I should have this one Mini-2440 [mini-box.com] in a couple of days.
It will probably idle below 1 watt with the LCD backlight off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868311</id>
	<title>ASRock Ion PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256480940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the idea is to have a nice, flashy PC that can be left on the whole time. A plug-based CPU with 640k of RAM doesn't cut it. But this does:<br>http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp?Model=ion\%20330<br>Dual-core Atom, 2-4Gb RAM, lots of IO options, a DVD and no Windows tax. What more could you want?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the idea is to have a nice , flashy PC that can be left on the whole time .
A plug-based CPU with 640k of RAM does n't cut it .
But this does : http : //www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp ? Model = ion \ % 20330Dual-core Atom , 2-4Gb RAM , lots of IO options , a DVD and no Windows tax .
What more could you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the idea is to have a nice, flashy PC that can be left on the whole time.
A plug-based CPU with 640k of RAM doesn't cut it.
But this does:http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp?Model=ion\%20330Dual-core Atom, 2-4Gb RAM, lots of IO options, a DVD and no Windows tax.
What more could you want?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872577</id>
	<title>Fit-PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256572560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could look at the Fit-pc.  According to http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ it only use 6W to 8W</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could look at the Fit-pc .
According to http : //www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ it only use 6W to 8W</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could look at the Fit-pc.
According to http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ it only use 6W to 8W</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866597</id>
	<title>I am doing the same thing and have been for years.</title>
	<author>ujoronen</author>
	<datestamp>1256503080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To save power about 4 years ago used an Asus Terminator C3 as a server to replace some aging HP netservers.  The Via C3 chip is interesting to get set up due to the lack of floating point math, but it did the job and with little power.  I selected components which drew less power.  You don't need a 7200 rpm HD.  After installation, remove the CD drive.  It adds to the current draw, especially at boot.
<br> <br>
Take the 5 and 12V lines from the PC power supply and bring them out the back of the computer and use them to run stuff that normally runs on a wall wart.  The PC has a switch mode power supply which is much more efficient that the simple linear supply in the wall warts.  Better still is the fact that switch mode supplies are at their most efficient at 70-90\% of their rated capacity.  The transformers the wall warts use draw a little power any time they're plugged in, not just when the thing they power is on.
<br> <br>
I fabricated a mount for the Yoggie Soho firewall and Linksys SD-2008 switch and put them in a drive bay.  My cablemodem won't fit, so it sits to the side, also powered by 12V from the power supply.  Also set the BIOS to come on when you need it to, and put it to bed at night.  You will save a lot more with the thing off.  If you remember to shut it down, great, if not, oh well.
<br> <br>
I will eventually switch over to a Intel Atom or ARM architecture, but for right now this works.  My entire system, firewall, switch, cablemodem, and server pulls about 60 watts under use.  It is doubtful I will be able to increase efficiency beyond this sufficiently to merit an upgrade.  It will wait until I have a failure, and something tells me that could be a long wait, but I am thinking of using a netbook like my Samsung NC-10 when I finally do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To save power about 4 years ago used an Asus Terminator C3 as a server to replace some aging HP netservers .
The Via C3 chip is interesting to get set up due to the lack of floating point math , but it did the job and with little power .
I selected components which drew less power .
You do n't need a 7200 rpm HD .
After installation , remove the CD drive .
It adds to the current draw , especially at boot .
Take the 5 and 12V lines from the PC power supply and bring them out the back of the computer and use them to run stuff that normally runs on a wall wart .
The PC has a switch mode power supply which is much more efficient that the simple linear supply in the wall warts .
Better still is the fact that switch mode supplies are at their most efficient at 70-90 \ % of their rated capacity .
The transformers the wall warts use draw a little power any time they 're plugged in , not just when the thing they power is on .
I fabricated a mount for the Yoggie Soho firewall and Linksys SD-2008 switch and put them in a drive bay .
My cablemodem wo n't fit , so it sits to the side , also powered by 12V from the power supply .
Also set the BIOS to come on when you need it to , and put it to bed at night .
You will save a lot more with the thing off .
If you remember to shut it down , great , if not , oh well .
I will eventually switch over to a Intel Atom or ARM architecture , but for right now this works .
My entire system , firewall , switch , cablemodem , and server pulls about 60 watts under use .
It is doubtful I will be able to increase efficiency beyond this sufficiently to merit an upgrade .
It will wait until I have a failure , and something tells me that could be a long wait , but I am thinking of using a netbook like my Samsung NC-10 when I finally do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To save power about 4 years ago used an Asus Terminator C3 as a server to replace some aging HP netservers.
The Via C3 chip is interesting to get set up due to the lack of floating point math, but it did the job and with little power.
I selected components which drew less power.
You don't need a 7200 rpm HD.
After installation, remove the CD drive.
It adds to the current draw, especially at boot.
Take the 5 and 12V lines from the PC power supply and bring them out the back of the computer and use them to run stuff that normally runs on a wall wart.
The PC has a switch mode power supply which is much more efficient that the simple linear supply in the wall warts.
Better still is the fact that switch mode supplies are at their most efficient at 70-90\% of their rated capacity.
The transformers the wall warts use draw a little power any time they're plugged in, not just when the thing they power is on.
I fabricated a mount for the Yoggie Soho firewall and Linksys SD-2008 switch and put them in a drive bay.
My cablemodem won't fit, so it sits to the side, also powered by 12V from the power supply.
Also set the BIOS to come on when you need it to, and put it to bed at night.
You will save a lot more with the thing off.
If you remember to shut it down, great, if not, oh well.
I will eventually switch over to a Intel Atom or ARM architecture, but for right now this works.
My entire system, firewall, switch, cablemodem, and server pulls about 60 watts under use.
It is doubtful I will be able to increase efficiency beyond this sufficiently to merit an upgrade.
It will wait until I have a failure, and something tells me that could be a long wait, but I am thinking of using a netbook like my Samsung NC-10 when I finally do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866989</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>jonsmirl</author>
	<datestamp>1256463780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pogo Plug is a commercialized Sheeva Plug. It may be easier to buy.<br><a href="http://www.pogoplug.com/" title="pogoplug.com">http://www.pogoplug.com/</a> [pogoplug.com]</p><p>Sheeva/Pogo is the best solution to this problem that I am aware of. 5W and $99.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pogo Plug is a commercialized Sheeva Plug .
It may be easier to buy.http : //www.pogoplug.com/ [ pogoplug.com ] Sheeva/Pogo is the best solution to this problem that I am aware of .
5W and $ 99 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pogo Plug is a commercialized Sheeva Plug.
It may be easier to buy.http://www.pogoplug.com/ [pogoplug.com]Sheeva/Pogo is the best solution to this problem that I am aware of.
5W and $99.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866737</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini or Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>jgrahn</author>
	<datestamp>1256504340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I recently went through the same search, two good options show up 1) Get a mac mini. The idle power consumption is 13 watts. You get a dvd rom, intel cpu, video out if you need it etc. It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W. Make sure to not get the older mac mini's, only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Define "older".
My PPC Mac Mini was said to draw ~18W, and it's only slightly warm to the touch.
The external power supply is warmer though -- I wonder if that's included in
the 18W, and how much money Apple spent on making it efficient.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently went through the same search , two good options show up 1 ) Get a mac mini .
The idle power consumption is 13 watts .
You get a dvd rom , intel cpu , video out if you need it etc .
It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W .
Make sure to not get the older mac mini 's , only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage .
Define " older " .
My PPC Mac Mini was said to draw ~ 18W , and it 's only slightly warm to the touch .
The external power supply is warmer though -- I wonder if that 's included in the 18W , and how much money Apple spent on making it efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently went through the same search, two good options show up 1) Get a mac mini.
The idle power consumption is 13 watts.
You get a dvd rom, intel cpu, video out if you need it etc.
It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W.
Make sure to not get the older mac mini's, only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage.
Define "older".
My PPC Mac Mini was said to draw ~18W, and it's only slightly warm to the touch.
The external power supply is warmer though -- I wonder if that's included in
the 18W, and how much money Apple spent on making it efficient.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865545</id>
	<title>SheevaPlug, UD-160A and USB hubs</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1256495040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug</a> [wikipedia.org] runs a 1.2ghz Marvell PXA 270 ARM, and costs $99.</p><p>The <a href="http://plugable.com/products/ud-160-a/" title="plugable.com">UD-160A</a> [plugable.com] gives you a full set of ports (4x USB2, VGA-out, 10/100 Ethernet) thanks to <a href="http://displaylink.org/" title="displaylink.org">DisplayLink</a> [displaylink.org] drivers.  Price: $90-ish.</p><p>If you don't need a screen, you can get away with a 4x USB2 hub ($8) or a 7x USB2 hub ($12) and spang on peripherals as you need.</p><p>Then, if it turns out that you do want a screen after all, you can always go for a <a href="http://www.doublesight.com/product/?idx=53" title="doublesight.com">Doublesight DS-90U</a> [doublesight.com] USB 1024x600 screen, again, using <a href="http://displaylink.org/" title="displaylink.org">DisplayLink</a> [displaylink.org] free software drivers.</p><p>There are plenty of other ARM-based low-power CPUs with at least 512mb of RAM: the beagleboard and the IGEP-v2 go for $100 appx at 600mhz.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug [ wikipedia.org ] runs a 1.2ghz Marvell PXA 270 ARM , and costs $ 99.The UD-160A [ plugable.com ] gives you a full set of ports ( 4x USB2 , VGA-out , 10/100 Ethernet ) thanks to DisplayLink [ displaylink.org ] drivers .
Price : $ 90-ish.If you do n't need a screen , you can get away with a 4x USB2 hub ( $ 8 ) or a 7x USB2 hub ( $ 12 ) and spang on peripherals as you need.Then , if it turns out that you do want a screen after all , you can always go for a Doublesight DS-90U [ doublesight.com ] USB 1024x600 screen , again , using DisplayLink [ displaylink.org ] free software drivers.There are plenty of other ARM-based low-power CPUs with at least 512mb of RAM : the beagleboard and the IGEP-v2 go for $ 100 appx at 600mhz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug [wikipedia.org] runs a 1.2ghz Marvell PXA 270 ARM, and costs $99.The UD-160A [plugable.com] gives you a full set of ports (4x USB2, VGA-out, 10/100 Ethernet) thanks to DisplayLink [displaylink.org] drivers.
Price: $90-ish.If you don't need a screen, you can get away with a 4x USB2 hub ($8) or a 7x USB2 hub ($12) and spang on peripherals as you need.Then, if it turns out that you do want a screen after all, you can always go for a Doublesight DS-90U [doublesight.com] USB 1024x600 screen, again, using DisplayLink [displaylink.org] free software drivers.There are plenty of other ARM-based low-power CPUs with at least 512mb of RAM: the beagleboard and the IGEP-v2 go for $100 appx at 600mhz.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867221</id>
	<title>Intel Atom</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1256466420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here is what I have:<br>
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383</a> [newegg.com] <br>
2gb ram<br>
Plus 2 hard drives in raid 1. <br>
What does it all do? Here's what:<br>
Debian lenny amd64 as the base xen dom0<br>
Debian lenny i686 in domU as a gateway/router running shorewall, squid, dansguardian, psad<br>
Debian lenny i686 in domU as web, smtp, imap, torrent, amule, and various perl web bots, server.<br>
Like I said all of this through xen like here: <a href="http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html" title="shorewall.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html</a> [shorewall.net] <br>
The box with one hard drive drew 38 watts idle and 44 max.  I haven't measured it since I added another hd.<br>
Note that the psu on the box is very old and inefficient.  I am sure a newer one would lower the power draw 5-10watts <br>
Stats here.  Not posting my main website since I normally only come here to troll<br>
<a href="http://christi.ath.cx/stats/" title="christi.ath.cx" rel="nofollow">http://christi.ath.cx/stats/</a> [christi.ath.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is what I have : http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16813121383 [ newegg.com ] 2gb ram Plus 2 hard drives in raid 1 .
What does it all do ?
Here 's what : Debian lenny amd64 as the base xen dom0 Debian lenny i686 in domU as a gateway/router running shorewall , squid , dansguardian , psad Debian lenny i686 in domU as web , smtp , imap , torrent , amule , and various perl web bots , server .
Like I said all of this through xen like here : http : //www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html [ shorewall.net ] The box with one hard drive drew 38 watts idle and 44 max .
I have n't measured it since I added another hd .
Note that the psu on the box is very old and inefficient .
I am sure a newer one would lower the power draw 5-10watts Stats here .
Not posting my main website since I normally only come here to troll http : //christi.ath.cx/stats/ [ christi.ath.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is what I have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383 [newegg.com] 
2gb ram
Plus 2 hard drives in raid 1.
What does it all do?
Here's what:
Debian lenny amd64 as the base xen dom0
Debian lenny i686 in domU as a gateway/router running shorewall, squid, dansguardian, psad
Debian lenny i686 in domU as web, smtp, imap, torrent, amule, and various perl web bots, server.
Like I said all of this through xen like here: http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html [shorewall.net] 
The box with one hard drive drew 38 watts idle and 44 max.
I haven't measured it since I added another hd.
Note that the psu on the box is very old and inefficient.
I am sure a newer one would lower the power draw 5-10watts 
Stats here.
Not posting my main website since I normally only come here to troll
http://christi.ath.cx/stats/ [christi.ath.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868905</id>
	<title>Damn guys, is that all you use your servers for?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256489160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see a bunch of recommendations for low-end hardware that would totally suck for what you typically use a home server for.</p><p>I use my server as the main hub for everything.  It handles VOIP, multiple VM's, media playback to the TV and audio systems, Tor proxy, various VPN proxies, database server, file server, and the list continues.  I couldn't use some underpowered router running Linux or some other BS little machine.</p><p>I would like to save power on that beast though.  Currently I'm running an Opteron 250, 6 hard drives, media encoder card, plus nvidia graphics in it.  Sucks a lot of juice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a bunch of recommendations for low-end hardware that would totally suck for what you typically use a home server for.I use my server as the main hub for everything .
It handles VOIP , multiple VM 's , media playback to the TV and audio systems , Tor proxy , various VPN proxies , database server , file server , and the list continues .
I could n't use some underpowered router running Linux or some other BS little machine.I would like to save power on that beast though .
Currently I 'm running an Opteron 250 , 6 hard drives , media encoder card , plus nvidia graphics in it .
Sucks a lot of juice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a bunch of recommendations for low-end hardware that would totally suck for what you typically use a home server for.I use my server as the main hub for everything.
It handles VOIP, multiple VM's, media playback to the TV and audio systems, Tor proxy, various VPN proxies, database server, file server, and the list continues.
I couldn't use some underpowered router running Linux or some other BS little machine.I would like to save power on that beast though.
Currently I'm running an Opteron 250, 6 hard drives, media encoder card, plus nvidia graphics in it.
Sucks a lot of juice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869541</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>rivercity</author>
	<datestamp>1256498580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out the <a href="http://www.codelathe.com/blog/index.php/2009/09/15/save-hundreds-of-dollars-in-electricity-costs-tonidoplug-roi/" title="codelathe.com" rel="nofollow">codelathe blog </a> [codelathe.com] for sheevaplug power consumption info. Approximately sheevaplug power consumptions costs- $6.57/year vs Desktop PC power cost - $157.68/year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out the codelathe blog [ codelathe.com ] for sheevaplug power consumption info .
Approximately sheevaplug power consumptions costs- $ 6.57/year vs Desktop PC power cost - $ 157.68/year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out the codelathe blog  [codelathe.com] for sheevaplug power consumption info.
Approximately sheevaplug power consumptions costs- $6.57/year vs Desktop PC power cost - $157.68/year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865959</id>
	<title>Johnstown for the best bang for the buck</title>
	<author>RedDirt</author>
	<datestamp>1256498340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get an Intel Johnstown board (Atom N270 - 1.6ghz) for around $110.  RAM will set you back another $20 or so.  The Johnstown board is nice in that it has a built-in PSU and just requires an external 12v brick.  If you don't have one, that's another $20.  For the chassis, it depends on what sort of storage you want to put in it.  Anything that'll hold an ITX board will do, though I like the mini-box cases (an M350 will set you back $40 though it requires the use of laptop drives).  An M300 is more expensive at $60 but allows the use of a single 3.5" drive so you can recycle a hard drive you already own.</p><p>Anyway, I think the best bang for the buck is one of the Intel Mini-ITX boards.  They're inexpensive, capable and familiar.  Be aware that the older Intel boards (Little Falls, Little Falls 2) have no integrated PSUs so that drives their prices up relative to the Johnstown.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get an Intel Johnstown board ( Atom N270 - 1.6ghz ) for around $ 110 .
RAM will set you back another $ 20 or so .
The Johnstown board is nice in that it has a built-in PSU and just requires an external 12v brick .
If you do n't have one , that 's another $ 20 .
For the chassis , it depends on what sort of storage you want to put in it .
Anything that 'll hold an ITX board will do , though I like the mini-box cases ( an M350 will set you back $ 40 though it requires the use of laptop drives ) .
An M300 is more expensive at $ 60 but allows the use of a single 3.5 " drive so you can recycle a hard drive you already own.Anyway , I think the best bang for the buck is one of the Intel Mini-ITX boards .
They 're inexpensive , capable and familiar .
Be aware that the older Intel boards ( Little Falls , Little Falls 2 ) have no integrated PSUs so that drives their prices up relative to the Johnstown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get an Intel Johnstown board (Atom N270 - 1.6ghz) for around $110.
RAM will set you back another $20 or so.
The Johnstown board is nice in that it has a built-in PSU and just requires an external 12v brick.
If you don't have one, that's another $20.
For the chassis, it depends on what sort of storage you want to put in it.
Anything that'll hold an ITX board will do, though I like the mini-box cases (an M350 will set you back $40 though it requires the use of laptop drives).
An M300 is more expensive at $60 but allows the use of a single 3.5" drive so you can recycle a hard drive you already own.Anyway, I think the best bang for the buck is one of the Intel Mini-ITX boards.
They're inexpensive, capable and familiar.
Be aware that the older Intel boards (Little Falls, Little Falls 2) have no integrated PSUs so that drives their prices up relative to the Johnstown.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29888255</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Carnildo</author>
	<datestamp>1256634300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've run Linux servers on variously an Intel Atom (70 watts, including 5 hard drives and a RAID card), a Celeron 433 (40 watts, including two quad-port Ethernet cards), a Pentium MMX 233 (35 watts), and a NSLU2 (8 watts).  If you need CPU power, the Atom is probably your best bet; if you're just shoving static files around, the NSLU2 will work just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've run Linux servers on variously an Intel Atom ( 70 watts , including 5 hard drives and a RAID card ) , a Celeron 433 ( 40 watts , including two quad-port Ethernet cards ) , a Pentium MMX 233 ( 35 watts ) , and a NSLU2 ( 8 watts ) .
If you need CPU power , the Atom is probably your best bet ; if you 're just shoving static files around , the NSLU2 will work just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've run Linux servers on variously an Intel Atom (70 watts, including 5 hard drives and a RAID card), a Celeron 433 (40 watts, including two quad-port Ethernet cards), a Pentium MMX 233 (35 watts), and a NSLU2 (8 watts).
If you need CPU power, the Atom is probably your best bet; if you're just shoving static files around, the NSLU2 will work just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876239</id>
	<title>Power is lower than you think</title>
	<author>rclaw</author>
	<datestamp>1256590140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The power listed on a device such as a computer or a monitor is NOT what the device uses.  It is a design rating of the AC circuitry required by UL or NEC.  The actual power used by a device can be a little as 10\% of the rating.  Measure for yourself.  Put an Ammeter in the line - you will be surprised.

Your power costs are much less than you think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The power listed on a device such as a computer or a monitor is NOT what the device uses .
It is a design rating of the AC circuitry required by UL or NEC .
The actual power used by a device can be a little as 10 \ % of the rating .
Measure for yourself .
Put an Ammeter in the line - you will be surprised .
Your power costs are much less than you think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The power listed on a device such as a computer or a monitor is NOT what the device uses.
It is a design rating of the AC circuitry required by UL or NEC.
The actual power used by a device can be a little as 10\% of the rating.
Measure for yourself.
Put an Ammeter in the line - you will be surprised.
Your power costs are much less than you think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866685</id>
	<title>Old laptop</title>
	<author>mike449</author>
	<datestamp>1256503980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get a decent P3 or Celeron laptop for under $100 (for free if you are lucky). Depending on the CPU, it can draw 15-40W under load. The upside is that usually no hardware tweaking is required at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get a decent P3 or Celeron laptop for under $ 100 ( for free if you are lucky ) .
Depending on the CPU , it can draw 15-40W under load .
The upside is that usually no hardware tweaking is required at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get a decent P3 or Celeron laptop for under $100 (for free if you are lucky).
Depending on the CPU, it can draw 15-40W under load.
The upside is that usually no hardware tweaking is required at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865437</id>
	<title>Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>seanadams.com</author>
	<datestamp>1256494620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where on earth did you get 85? Are you reading that off the power brick? Those figures are meaningless for this purpose - that's the total load the PS is rated to deliver, not the average load at the wall socket.</p><p>The Mac Mini has all the components and power management features of a notebook so it's going to be about as good as you can get. For less money, the FitPC or a second-hand laptop is probably the next best choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where on earth did you get 85 ?
Are you reading that off the power brick ?
Those figures are meaningless for this purpose - that 's the total load the PS is rated to deliver , not the average load at the wall socket.The Mac Mini has all the components and power management features of a notebook so it 's going to be about as good as you can get .
For less money , the FitPC or a second-hand laptop is probably the next best choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where on earth did you get 85?
Are you reading that off the power brick?
Those figures are meaningless for this purpose - that's the total load the PS is rated to deliver, not the average load at the wall socket.The Mac Mini has all the components and power management features of a notebook so it's going to be about as good as you can get.
For less money, the FitPC or a second-hand laptop is probably the next best choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865909</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the Mini power adapter puts out a max of 110w. Under load, the Mini actually draws a lot less:<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.applesource.com.au/mac/soa/Apple-Mac-Mini-2009-/0,2000070803,339295252,00.htm" title="applesource.com.au">http://www.applesource.com.au/mac/soa/Apple-Mac-Mini-2009-/0,2000070803,339295252,00.htm</a> [applesource.com.au] <br> <br>

Just under 30w under load. Might be a bit higher if you have a DVD in there. It draws a lot less juice than the adapter provides.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the Mini power adapter puts out a max of 110w .
Under load , the Mini actually draws a lot less : http : //www.applesource.com.au/mac/soa/Apple-Mac-Mini-2009-/0,2000070803,339295252,00.htm [ applesource.com.au ] Just under 30w under load .
Might be a bit higher if you have a DVD in there .
It draws a lot less juice than the adapter provides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the Mini power adapter puts out a max of 110w.
Under load, the Mini actually draws a lot less: 

http://www.applesource.com.au/mac/soa/Apple-Mac-Mini-2009-/0,2000070803,339295252,00.htm [applesource.com.au]  

Just under 30w under load.
Might be a bit higher if you have a DVD in there.
It draws a lot less juice than the adapter provides.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865469</id>
	<title>Need more information</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A BeagleBoard is well supported by Linux and draws under 1W in typical operation. It supports USB and MMC+ for peripherals and storage, but there's no IDE or SATA so you won't be able to connect it to an array of disks, for example.  For the simple tasks you want it will probably be more than adequate, but when you say 'apache, imap and nfs' that could mean anything; is it just a single user occasionally accessing files, or do you want to host complex web apps for a few thousand visitors?</htmltext>
<tokenext>A BeagleBoard is well supported by Linux and draws under 1W in typical operation .
It supports USB and MMC + for peripherals and storage , but there 's no IDE or SATA so you wo n't be able to connect it to an array of disks , for example .
For the simple tasks you want it will probably be more than adequate , but when you say 'apache , imap and nfs ' that could mean anything ; is it just a single user occasionally accessing files , or do you want to host complex web apps for a few thousand visitors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A BeagleBoard is well supported by Linux and draws under 1W in typical operation.
It supports USB and MMC+ for peripherals and storage, but there's no IDE or SATA so you won't be able to connect it to an array of disks, for example.
For the simple tasks you want it will probably be more than adequate, but when you say 'apache, imap and nfs' that could mean anything; is it just a single user occasionally accessing files, or do you want to host complex web apps for a few thousand visitors?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865493</id>
	<title>Mac Mini power-draw - some actual facts (sorry!)</title>
	<author>mihalis</author>
	<datestamp>1256494860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.goodcleantech.com/2009/03/its\_official\_apple\_mac\_mini\_is.php" title="goodcleantech.com">http://www.goodcleantech.com/2009/03/its\_official\_apple\_mac\_mini\_is.php</a> [goodcleantech.com]</p><p>"The mini uses only 15W while idling in our tests, and a low 34W while running the CineBench benchmark test"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.goodcleantech.com/2009/03/its \ _official \ _apple \ _mac \ _mini \ _is.php [ goodcleantech.com ] " The mini uses only 15W while idling in our tests , and a low 34W while running the CineBench benchmark test "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.goodcleantech.com/2009/03/its\_official\_apple\_mac\_mini\_is.php [goodcleantech.com]"The mini uses only 15W while idling in our tests, and a low 34W while running the CineBench benchmark test"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865633</id>
	<title>why bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>300 dollar? you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that...</htmltext>
<tokenext>300 dollar ?
you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300 dollar?
you could pay the 70 bucks extra for the old system 4 years for that...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870977</id>
	<title>Mac Mini (early or late 2009) uses only 12 Watts</title>
	<author>jas67</author>
	<datestamp>1256562660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 85W figure you are posting is very false.     You probably saw the max power rating of the AC adapter supplied with the earlier G4 (PowerPC) Mac Mini.     The Intel models have a 110W power adapter, but that isn't what they draw most of the time.     I have a couple of early 2009 Mac Mini's, and also have a Kill-a-watt watt meter.     At idle (which a server is going to be run at 90-99\% of the time) the 2009 Mini draws only 12W, and that is with a 500GB (laptop-type 2.5") hard drive, and 4GB  (2x2gb) of DDR3 RAM.    The earlier Intel-based models (2006-2008) had an idle power consumption of about 22W.     Even encoding video with handbrake at 100\% CPU load, the highest I could get the 2009 Mini to draw was 32W.   These figures are for Mac OS X 10.5.x (Leopard).    I don't know what the figures would be for Linux, but probably similar.

All that said, if you want low power consumption in a mainstream (X86 based PC, not specialty ARM or MIPS based NAS hardware), then stick to mobile components.     Look for a motherboard that supports Mobile Core2  Duo, or even older Pentium M mothhboards (cheaper$).     Use mobile hard drives (idle power of 2-3W vs. 9-13W for a desktop drive), and the minimum number of RAM DIMMs (eg, use a single 2GB instead of 2 1GB modules).      I have a file-backup server running an Aopen mobile-core2 duo motherboard with a 2GHz T7200 Core2 Duo processor, 2GB of RAM, a 3ware 9500S hardware RAID controller, and four 1TB hitachi desktar harddrives.    This server consumes 56W at idle.    Not bad, considering the four hard drives.      It only consumes about 8W more than the Buffalo (Linkstation?) ARM-based RAID NAS that I had with the same hard drives.   Unlike the Buffalo, this wasis "normal" PC hardware that is easy to put any modern Linux distro on, and it has a "real" hardware RAID card.    Also, the performance is MUCH better than any ARM-based dedicated NAS system that I've tried.   And, as hardware impoves, I can upgrade any part of this system easily.    Total build price was about $200 plus drives (less than the dedicated RAID NAS systems).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 85W figure you are posting is very false .
You probably saw the max power rating of the AC adapter supplied with the earlier G4 ( PowerPC ) Mac Mini .
The Intel models have a 110W power adapter , but that is n't what they draw most of the time .
I have a couple of early 2009 Mac Mini 's , and also have a Kill-a-watt watt meter .
At idle ( which a server is going to be run at 90-99 \ % of the time ) the 2009 Mini draws only 12W , and that is with a 500GB ( laptop-type 2.5 " ) hard drive , and 4GB ( 2x2gb ) of DDR3 RAM .
The earlier Intel-based models ( 2006-2008 ) had an idle power consumption of about 22W .
Even encoding video with handbrake at 100 \ % CPU load , the highest I could get the 2009 Mini to draw was 32W .
These figures are for Mac OS X 10.5.x ( Leopard ) .
I do n't know what the figures would be for Linux , but probably similar .
All that said , if you want low power consumption in a mainstream ( X86 based PC , not specialty ARM or MIPS based NAS hardware ) , then stick to mobile components .
Look for a motherboard that supports Mobile Core2 Duo , or even older Pentium M mothhboards ( cheaper $ ) .
Use mobile hard drives ( idle power of 2-3W vs. 9-13W for a desktop drive ) , and the minimum number of RAM DIMMs ( eg , use a single 2GB instead of 2 1GB modules ) .
I have a file-backup server running an Aopen mobile-core2 duo motherboard with a 2GHz T7200 Core2 Duo processor , 2GB of RAM , a 3ware 9500S hardware RAID controller , and four 1TB hitachi desktar harddrives .
This server consumes 56W at idle .
Not bad , considering the four hard drives .
It only consumes about 8W more than the Buffalo ( Linkstation ?
) ARM-based RAID NAS that I had with the same hard drives .
Unlike the Buffalo , this wasis " normal " PC hardware that is easy to put any modern Linux distro on , and it has a " real " hardware RAID card .
Also , the performance is MUCH better than any ARM-based dedicated NAS system that I 've tried .
And , as hardware impoves , I can upgrade any part of this system easily .
Total build price was about $ 200 plus drives ( less than the dedicated RAID NAS systems ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 85W figure you are posting is very false.
You probably saw the max power rating of the AC adapter supplied with the earlier G4 (PowerPC) Mac Mini.
The Intel models have a 110W power adapter, but that isn't what they draw most of the time.
I have a couple of early 2009 Mac Mini's, and also have a Kill-a-watt watt meter.
At idle (which a server is going to be run at 90-99\% of the time) the 2009 Mini draws only 12W, and that is with a 500GB (laptop-type 2.5") hard drive, and 4GB  (2x2gb) of DDR3 RAM.
The earlier Intel-based models (2006-2008) had an idle power consumption of about 22W.
Even encoding video with handbrake at 100\% CPU load, the highest I could get the 2009 Mini to draw was 32W.
These figures are for Mac OS X 10.5.x (Leopard).
I don't know what the figures would be for Linux, but probably similar.
All that said, if you want low power consumption in a mainstream (X86 based PC, not specialty ARM or MIPS based NAS hardware), then stick to mobile components.
Look for a motherboard that supports Mobile Core2  Duo, or even older Pentium M mothhboards (cheaper$).
Use mobile hard drives (idle power of 2-3W vs. 9-13W for a desktop drive), and the minimum number of RAM DIMMs (eg, use a single 2GB instead of 2 1GB modules).
I have a file-backup server running an Aopen mobile-core2 duo motherboard with a 2GHz T7200 Core2 Duo processor, 2GB of RAM, a 3ware 9500S hardware RAID controller, and four 1TB hitachi desktar harddrives.
This server consumes 56W at idle.
Not bad, considering the four hard drives.
It only consumes about 8W more than the Buffalo (Linkstation?
) ARM-based RAID NAS that I had with the same hard drives.
Unlike the Buffalo, this wasis "normal" PC hardware that is easy to put any modern Linux distro on, and it has a "real" hardware RAID card.
Also, the performance is MUCH better than any ARM-based dedicated NAS system that I've tried.
And, as hardware impoves, I can upgrade any part of this system easily.
Total build price was about $200 plus drives (less than the dedicated RAID NAS systems).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867289</id>
	<title>Measurements on my Mini Server: 17-25w steady</title>
	<author>david.emery</author>
	<datestamp>1256467200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newer (not newest) 2.0ghz, 120gb hard drive, 4gb RAM, plus an attached FW800 drive.  This is running Snow Leopard Server providing a couple of relatively low-demand websites (about 1 request/sec) and it's also doing some active firewall for my local network.  (I have another Mini that's acting as the file/LDAP server).</p><p>According to my Kill-o-Watt meter, booting up it drew about 25-33 w, and right now it's drawing about 17-25 watts steady-state with a load average of about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.5 and running about 10\%-15\% CPU utilization.</p><p>What that shows is a Mini that isn't doing much isn't consuming much power.  I'll report back more results tomorrow once the machine has run with the Kill-o-Watt for a day.  Then I'll put the Kil-o-Watt on the other server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newer ( not newest ) 2.0ghz , 120gb hard drive , 4gb RAM , plus an attached FW800 drive .
This is running Snow Leopard Server providing a couple of relatively low-demand websites ( about 1 request/sec ) and it 's also doing some active firewall for my local network .
( I have another Mini that 's acting as the file/LDAP server ) .According to my Kill-o-Watt meter , booting up it drew about 25-33 w , and right now it 's drawing about 17-25 watts steady-state with a load average of about .5 and running about 10 \ % -15 \ % CPU utilization.What that shows is a Mini that is n't doing much is n't consuming much power .
I 'll report back more results tomorrow once the machine has run with the Kill-o-Watt for a day .
Then I 'll put the Kil-o-Watt on the other server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newer (not newest) 2.0ghz, 120gb hard drive, 4gb RAM, plus an attached FW800 drive.
This is running Snow Leopard Server providing a couple of relatively low-demand websites (about 1 request/sec) and it's also doing some active firewall for my local network.
(I have another Mini that's acting as the file/LDAP server).According to my Kill-o-Watt meter, booting up it drew about 25-33 w, and right now it's drawing about 17-25 watts steady-state with a load average of about .5 and running about 10\%-15\% CPU utilization.What that shows is a Mini that isn't doing much isn't consuming much power.
I'll report back more results tomorrow once the machine has run with the Kill-o-Watt for a day.
Then I'll put the Kil-o-Watt on the other server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865503</id>
	<title>Use a Dell Mini 9/10v netbook!</title>
	<author>mdeslaur</author>
	<datestamp>1256494860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It comes pre-loaded with Ubuntu.
<br>

More info here:
<br>

<a href="http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/07/dell-mini9-server-and-dell-mini10v.html" title="dustinkirkland.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/07/dell-mini9-server-and-dell-mini10v.html</a> [dustinkirkland.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It comes pre-loaded with Ubuntu .
More info here : http : //blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/07/dell-mini9-server-and-dell-mini10v.html [ dustinkirkland.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It comes pre-loaded with Ubuntu.
More info here:


http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/07/dell-mini9-server-and-dell-mini10v.html [dustinkirkland.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867775</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Swampash</author>
	<datestamp>1256473560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With apache+mysql+php, sshd, samba, and the entire OS X GUI running my Mini draws 16 watts. SIXTEEN.</p><p>In conclusion: original post author on crack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With apache + mysql + php , sshd , samba , and the entire OS X GUI running my Mini draws 16 watts .
SIXTEEN.In conclusion : original post author on crack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With apache+mysql+php, sshd, samba, and the entire OS X GUI running my Mini draws 16 watts.
SIXTEEN.In conclusion: original post author on crack.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865579</id>
	<title>mini ITX C7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try a mini-itx C7 processor and MB combo.</p><p>These processors are typically soldered, but run very cool, and generally fanless.</p><p>I have a VIA-C7 at 1.2Ghz, with a DVD+RW, and 500Gb HD, and the whole system uses only 24W under full load.</p><p>C7's are basically PIII class processors, but have hardware accellerated encryption making them 20-30X faster than even a P4 at AES, MD5, SHA, etc.</p><p>The boards have everything you could possibly want, USB 2.0, Ethernet [GigE], Audio, Video [integrated] , and even a PCI slot.</p><p>at 17mm x 17mm these boards can fit anywhere. DC powered at 12V. Cases and powersupplies will be more expensive due to the size, but well worth it, they can look very nice on even a small desk.</p><p>RAM is a bit limited at 2Gb, but that should do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a mini-itx C7 processor and MB combo.These processors are typically soldered , but run very cool , and generally fanless.I have a VIA-C7 at 1.2Ghz , with a DVD + RW , and 500Gb HD , and the whole system uses only 24W under full load.C7 's are basically PIII class processors , but have hardware accellerated encryption making them 20-30X faster than even a P4 at AES , MD5 , SHA , etc.The boards have everything you could possibly want , USB 2.0 , Ethernet [ GigE ] , Audio , Video [ integrated ] , and even a PCI slot.at 17mm x 17mm these boards can fit anywhere .
DC powered at 12V .
Cases and powersupplies will be more expensive due to the size , but well worth it , they can look very nice on even a small desk.RAM is a bit limited at 2Gb , but that should do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a mini-itx C7 processor and MB combo.These processors are typically soldered, but run very cool, and generally fanless.I have a VIA-C7 at 1.2Ghz, with a DVD+RW, and 500Gb HD, and the whole system uses only 24W under full load.C7's are basically PIII class processors, but have hardware accellerated encryption making them 20-30X faster than even a P4 at AES, MD5, SHA, etc.The boards have everything you could possibly want, USB 2.0, Ethernet [GigE], Audio, Video [integrated] , and even a PCI slot.at 17mm x 17mm these boards can fit anywhere.
DC powered at 12V.
Cases and powersupplies will be more expensive due to the size, but well worth it, they can look very nice on even a small desk.RAM is a bit limited at 2Gb, but that should do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873257</id>
	<title>Acer Aspire Revo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256575920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've just bought an Acer Aspire Revo (2 GB RAM, 160 GB disk, Atom 230 based, 240 euro) that could do this pretty well. It's small and low-power, and runs Ubuntu well. I'm using it as an X terminal (it has decent graphics performance), but it could also be used as a server (won't break any speed records though).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just bought an Acer Aspire Revo ( 2 GB RAM , 160 GB disk , Atom 230 based , 240 euro ) that could do this pretty well .
It 's small and low-power , and runs Ubuntu well .
I 'm using it as an X terminal ( it has decent graphics performance ) , but it could also be used as a server ( wo n't break any speed records though ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just bought an Acer Aspire Revo (2 GB RAM, 160 GB disk, Atom 230 based, 240 euro) that could do this pretty well.
It's small and low-power, and runs Ubuntu well.
I'm using it as an X terminal (it has decent graphics performance), but it could also be used as a server (won't break any speed records though).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868723</id>
	<title>Re:So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>Tesla Tank</author>
	<datestamp>1256486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ontario pretty much has one the cheapest electricity rate in North America.</p><p><a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5\_6\_a.html" title="doe.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5\_6\_a.html</a> [doe.gov]</p><p>Our electricity rate is subsidized by the government.  If we pay for the actual cost of producing electricity, it would be comparable to what other jurisdictions pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ontario pretty much has one the cheapest electricity rate in North America.http : //www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5 \ _6 \ _a.html [ doe.gov ] Our electricity rate is subsidized by the government .
If we pay for the actual cost of producing electricity , it would be comparable to what other jurisdictions pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ontario pretty much has one the cheapest electricity rate in North America.http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5\_6\_a.html [doe.gov]Our electricity rate is subsidized by the government.
If we pay for the actual cost of producing electricity, it would be comparable to what other jurisdictions pay.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868287</id>
	<title>Eeepc is great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256480760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have turned my eeepc 900ha into my "always on" everyday computer at home.  Runs Arch Linux, all the laptop-mode type power tweaks and I turn the LVDS off and I believe it pulls ~9 watts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have turned my eeepc 900ha into my " always on " everyday computer at home .
Runs Arch Linux , all the laptop-mode type power tweaks and I turn the LVDS off and I believe it pulls ~ 9 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have turned my eeepc 900ha into my "always on" everyday computer at home.
Runs Arch Linux, all the laptop-mode type power tweaks and I turn the LVDS off and I believe it pulls ~9 watts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873479</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Johnny O</author>
	<datestamp>1256577000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm currently playing with a Sheeva Plug PC and loving it.  Add whatever storage you want on the USB port.  I "think" it only consumes 2W of  power in real use.</p><p>Sheeva ARM CPU Core<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * 1.2 GHz operation<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * L1 Cache: 16K Instruction + 16K Data<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * L2 Cache: 256KB</p><p>Memory<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * DDR2 400MHz, 16-bit bus<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * 512MB DDR2: 1Gb x8, 4 devices<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * 512MB NAND FLASH: 4Gb x8, direct boot</p><p><a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx</a> [globalscal...logies.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently playing with a Sheeva Plug PC and loving it .
Add whatever storage you want on the USB port .
I " think " it only consumes 2W of power in real use.Sheeva ARM CPU Core         * 1.2 GHz operation         * L1 Cache : 16K Instruction + 16K Data         * L2 Cache : 256KBMemory         * DDR2 400MHz , 16-bit bus         * 512MB DDR2 : 1Gb x8 , 4 devices         * 512MB NAND FLASH : 4Gb x8 , direct boothttp : //www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx [ globalscal...logies.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently playing with a Sheeva Plug PC and loving it.
Add whatever storage you want on the USB port.
I "think" it only consumes 2W of  power in real use.Sheeva ARM CPU Core
        * 1.2 GHz operation
        * L1 Cache: 16K Instruction + 16K Data
        * L2 Cache: 256KBMemory
        * DDR2 400MHz, 16-bit bus
        * 512MB DDR2: 1Gb x8, 4 devices
        * 512MB NAND FLASH: 4Gb x8, direct boothttp://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx [globalscal...logies.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866153</id>
	<title>Atom 330 - Intel Desktop Board D945GCLF2</title>
	<author>DrWilken</author>
	<datestamp>1256499540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about the Intel Desktop Board D945GCLF2?

It's cheap, 64bit, dual-core, supports HT etc... Need I say more?

It replaced my old Dual P3 setup...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

<a href="http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/" title="mini-itx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/</a> [mini-itx.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the Intel Desktop Board D945GCLF2 ?
It 's cheap , 64bit , dual-core , supports HT etc... Need I say more ?
It replaced my old Dual P3 setup... : ) http : //www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/ [ mini-itx.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the Intel Desktop Board D945GCLF2?
It's cheap, 64bit, dual-core, supports HT etc... Need I say more?
It replaced my old Dual P3 setup... :)

http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/ [mini-itx.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868157</id>
	<title>MSI Wind PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256478300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use this for my home server which runs SME server 7.4. e\Webmail, 7 sites, FTP, everything off this little box with a 1TB green drive and 1GB RAM. About 250 dollars total, 35W full load.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use this for my home server which runs SME server 7.4. e \ Webmail , 7 sites , FTP , everything off this little box with a 1TB green drive and 1GB RAM .
About 250 dollars total , 35W full load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use this for my home server which runs SME server 7.4. e\Webmail, 7 sites, FTP, everything off this little box with a 1TB green drive and 1GB RAM.
About 250 dollars total, 35W full load.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865963</id>
	<title>If you think a mac mini uses 85W then</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1256498340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you are not going to find anything that uses 30W, since if the metric is the mini uses 85W then 30W by that metric is about -10W in reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you are not going to find anything that uses 30W , since if the metric is the mini uses 85W then 30W by that metric is about -10W in reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you are not going to find anything that uses 30W, since if the metric is the mini uses 85W then 30W by that metric is about -10W in reality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866813</id>
	<title>Depends on Needs</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1256461920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that my desktop was built to be Quiet and Low Power, I'd say it's easily done. Specs I'm using are a C2D e6300 (65 watt), 3GB ddr2-800, Fanless Geforce 7300GT (could use onboard for less power), onboard audio, 2x Sata Drives and a Sata burner. According to my APC, total draw from it, the monitor, Phone charger and Linksys WRT54G router is Simply look at Micro ATX boards and something like a Celeron or Sempron CPU that's 65 watts (shouldn't be to hard) and you've got the basis for a decent server for less then 300</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that my desktop was built to be Quiet and Low Power , I 'd say it 's easily done .
Specs I 'm using are a C2D e6300 ( 65 watt ) , 3GB ddr2-800 , Fanless Geforce 7300GT ( could use onboard for less power ) , onboard audio , 2x Sata Drives and a Sata burner .
According to my APC , total draw from it , the monitor , Phone charger and Linksys WRT54G router is Simply look at Micro ATX boards and something like a Celeron or Sempron CPU that 's 65 watts ( should n't be to hard ) and you 've got the basis for a decent server for less then 300</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that my desktop was built to be Quiet and Low Power, I'd say it's easily done.
Specs I'm using are a C2D e6300 (65 watt), 3GB ddr2-800, Fanless Geforce 7300GT (could use onboard for less power), onboard audio, 2x Sata Drives and a Sata burner.
According to my APC, total draw from it, the monitor, Phone charger and Linksys WRT54G router is Simply look at Micro ATX boards and something like a Celeron or Sempron CPU that's 65 watts (shouldn't be to hard) and you've got the basis for a decent server for less then 300</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29880431</id>
	<title>Actually the mini IS an option</title>
	<author>Random5</author>
	<datestamp>1256573400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As others have said, the watt rating it says on the box is a peak figure, that is all. Most devices will consume a fraction of that figure most of the time, especially if they're running as an unloaded server with no GUI up. Personally I'd use a laptop but I guess this depends on the amount of storage space you need. My laptop (Core2Duo at about 2ghz off the top of my head) has a 65W power adapter, so 65W is the max it can supply, but this is what it will consume when the screen is on full brightness, processor running at high load etc. When idling with the screen off it'd be around 25-35W, though I haven't measured it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have said , the watt rating it says on the box is a peak figure , that is all .
Most devices will consume a fraction of that figure most of the time , especially if they 're running as an unloaded server with no GUI up .
Personally I 'd use a laptop but I guess this depends on the amount of storage space you need .
My laptop ( Core2Duo at about 2ghz off the top of my head ) has a 65W power adapter , so 65W is the max it can supply , but this is what it will consume when the screen is on full brightness , processor running at high load etc .
When idling with the screen off it 'd be around 25-35W , though I have n't measured it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have said, the watt rating it says on the box is a peak figure, that is all.
Most devices will consume a fraction of that figure most of the time, especially if they're running as an unloaded server with no GUI up.
Personally I'd use a laptop but I guess this depends on the amount of storage space you need.
My laptop (Core2Duo at about 2ghz off the top of my head) has a 65W power adapter, so 65W is the max it can supply, but this is what it will consume when the screen is on full brightness, processor running at high load etc.
When idling with the screen off it'd be around 25-35W, though I haven't measured it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29882751</id>
	<title>Re:Soekris</title>
	<author>pankkake</author>
	<datestamp>1256652600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.pcengines.ch/" title="pcengines.ch" rel="nofollow">PCEngines</a> [pcengines.ch] have similar products, though cheaper and with the ability to use PoE (well, you need a "splitter").</htmltext>
<tokenext>PCEngines [ pcengines.ch ] have similar products , though cheaper and with the ability to use PoE ( well , you need a " splitter " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PCEngines [pcengines.ch] have similar products, though cheaper and with the ability to use PoE (well, you need a "splitter").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867139</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865451</id>
	<title>Mac Mini</title>
	<author>Evro</author>
	<datestamp>1256494680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mentioned a Mac Mini, but what if you put Linux on the Mac Mini and clock it to 500 mhz?  Maybe you can shut down one of the cores somehow to conserve more power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mentioned a Mac Mini , but what if you put Linux on the Mac Mini and clock it to 500 mhz ?
Maybe you can shut down one of the cores somehow to conserve more power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mentioned a Mac Mini, but what if you put Linux on the Mac Mini and clock it to 500 mhz?
Maybe you can shut down one of the cores somehow to conserve more power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872687</id>
	<title>Netbook anyone?</title>
	<author>MisterJones</author>
	<datestamp>1256573160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised that nobody's suggested a netbook yet.  I bought a refurb Asus Eee 900a for about $150 (woot has them pretty frequently, although I got mine from mwave) and then maxed out the RAM and SSD for about $50 more, taking it to 2GB RAM and 16GB SSD.  It has a 9" display that I have set to turn off when I close the lid, but even with the LCD on max brightness it only draws around 12 watts.</p><p>There's a SD card reader built-in that you can install linux from, or use one of the USB ports.  You could hook up an external drive or use the SD card slot for additional storage, but since all I'm doing is network services (ssh, http, tinyproxy, etc) the storage isn't much of a concern.  Going wired instead of wireless would save some power as well.</p><p>Best of all, it has it's own built-in UPS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>I evaluated taking a consumer NAS device and repurposing it, but the hardware specs you can find in a comparable price range aren't nearly as good (except for the drive, obviously).  The SheevaPlug is interesting, but it is nice to have a display and keyboard integrated.  It makes for easier setup and debug when something is going wrong.  Plus, at the time, they were in short supply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised that nobody 's suggested a netbook yet .
I bought a refurb Asus Eee 900a for about $ 150 ( woot has them pretty frequently , although I got mine from mwave ) and then maxed out the RAM and SSD for about $ 50 more , taking it to 2GB RAM and 16GB SSD .
It has a 9 " display that I have set to turn off when I close the lid , but even with the LCD on max brightness it only draws around 12 watts.There 's a SD card reader built-in that you can install linux from , or use one of the USB ports .
You could hook up an external drive or use the SD card slot for additional storage , but since all I 'm doing is network services ( ssh , http , tinyproxy , etc ) the storage is n't much of a concern .
Going wired instead of wireless would save some power as well.Best of all , it has it 's own built-in UPS : ) I evaluated taking a consumer NAS device and repurposing it , but the hardware specs you can find in a comparable price range are n't nearly as good ( except for the drive , obviously ) .
The SheevaPlug is interesting , but it is nice to have a display and keyboard integrated .
It makes for easier setup and debug when something is going wrong .
Plus , at the time , they were in short supply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised that nobody's suggested a netbook yet.
I bought a refurb Asus Eee 900a for about $150 (woot has them pretty frequently, although I got mine from mwave) and then maxed out the RAM and SSD for about $50 more, taking it to 2GB RAM and 16GB SSD.
It has a 9" display that I have set to turn off when I close the lid, but even with the LCD on max brightness it only draws around 12 watts.There's a SD card reader built-in that you can install linux from, or use one of the USB ports.
You could hook up an external drive or use the SD card slot for additional storage, but since all I'm doing is network services (ssh, http, tinyproxy, etc) the storage isn't much of a concern.
Going wired instead of wireless would save some power as well.Best of all, it has it's own built-in UPS :)I evaluated taking a consumer NAS device and repurposing it, but the hardware specs you can find in a comparable price range aren't nearly as good (except for the drive, obviously).
The SheevaPlug is interesting, but it is nice to have a display and keyboard integrated.
It makes for easier setup and debug when something is going wrong.
Plus, at the time, they were in short supply.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866589</id>
	<title>Intel Atom</title>
	<author>dws</author>
	<datestamp>1256503080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wanted the same type of box a year ago, and settled on Intel's D945GCLF2 board, which has a dual core Atom, onboard video, one memory slot, and two SATA plugs. Adding a 2Gb stick, a 500Gb Seagate drive, a generic CD-RW, and a case to put it all in ran just over $300. Runs Ubuntu 8.10 like a champ, and draws 35 watts when spinning the disk. To quiet it down, I replaced the stock northbridge fan with a Zalman passive cooler (instructions <a href="http://www.davewsmith.com/blog/?p=179" title="davewsmith.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [davewsmith.com]).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted the same type of box a year ago , and settled on Intel 's D945GCLF2 board , which has a dual core Atom , onboard video , one memory slot , and two SATA plugs .
Adding a 2Gb stick , a 500Gb Seagate drive , a generic CD-RW , and a case to put it all in ran just over $ 300 .
Runs Ubuntu 8.10 like a champ , and draws 35 watts when spinning the disk .
To quiet it down , I replaced the stock northbridge fan with a Zalman passive cooler ( instructions here [ davewsmith.com ] ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted the same type of box a year ago, and settled on Intel's D945GCLF2 board, which has a dual core Atom, onboard video, one memory slot, and two SATA plugs.
Adding a 2Gb stick, a 500Gb Seagate drive, a generic CD-RW, and a case to put it all in ran just over $300.
Runs Ubuntu 8.10 like a champ, and draws 35 watts when spinning the disk.
To quiet it down, I replaced the stock northbridge fan with a Zalman passive cooler (instructions here [davewsmith.com]).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</id>
	<title>Underclocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't look like you need extensive processing power, so why not just underclock your current server?  That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill.<br><br>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't look like you need extensive processing power , so why not just underclock your current server ?
That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill.Also , the mac mini draws 110 watts http : //store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop \ _mac/family/mac \ _mini ? aid = AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp = BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't look like you need extensive processing power, so why not just underclock your current server?
That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill.Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873927</id>
	<title>I have an xbox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256579400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using an xbox (the old ones) that I got for &pound;6. It has a 733mhz Celeron and 64mb ram. I'm not sure about power usage, but it's not more than my laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using an xbox ( the old ones ) that I got for   6 .
It has a 733mhz Celeron and 64mb ram .
I 'm not sure about power usage , but it 's not more than my laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using an xbox (the old ones) that I got for £6.
It has a 733mhz Celeron and 64mb ram.
I'm not sure about power usage, but it's not more than my laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867733</id>
	<title>Re:New Intel D945GSEJT &amp; PC Engine Alix!!!</title>
	<author>pabs</author>
	<datestamp>1256473140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another satisfied ALIX2D3 here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another satisfied ALIX2D3 here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another satisfied ALIX2D3 here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867169</id>
	<title>BeagleBoard $150. 1.75W. Runs Linux. Very hackable</title>
	<author>PhunkySchtuff</author>
	<datestamp>1256465640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Texas Instruments' <a href="http://beagleboard.org/" title="beagleboard.org">BeagleBoard</a> [beagleboard.org] - it's an OMAP3 (ARM Cortex A8) at 600MHz, has an OpenGL ES capable graphics card (10M polys/sec, HD video) and can run off USB power or DC5V. DVI-D + S-Video for the display and they can boot off either the internal flash or an SD card (cheap storage!)</p><p>They are $150 and run Linux in various flavours or even the free home use version of QNX if you need hard realtime capabilities.</p><p>The design is quite open - check out the <a href="http://beagleboard.org/static/BBSRM\_latest.pdf" title="beagleboard.org">System Reference Manual</a> [beagleboard.org]</p><p>Running off either 5VDC or USB power, it typically uses 350mA, so it's using just 1.75W of power.</p><p>Now, it doesn't have Ethernet built in, but there is an expansion board available that adds this, or there's a USB hub you can get for it with an Ethernet port and you're up and running. Cutting your home server's power usage by a factor of 50 will have a pretty positive ROI.</p><p>Installation is pretty easy, you can download a pre-built image, copy it to the SD card, plug the SD card into the beagleboard and up you boot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Texas Instruments ' BeagleBoard [ beagleboard.org ] - it 's an OMAP3 ( ARM Cortex A8 ) at 600MHz , has an OpenGL ES capable graphics card ( 10M polys/sec , HD video ) and can run off USB power or DC5V .
DVI-D + S-Video for the display and they can boot off either the internal flash or an SD card ( cheap storage !
) They are $ 150 and run Linux in various flavours or even the free home use version of QNX if you need hard realtime capabilities.The design is quite open - check out the System Reference Manual [ beagleboard.org ] Running off either 5VDC or USB power , it typically uses 350mA , so it 's using just 1.75W of power.Now , it does n't have Ethernet built in , but there is an expansion board available that adds this , or there 's a USB hub you can get for it with an Ethernet port and you 're up and running .
Cutting your home server 's power usage by a factor of 50 will have a pretty positive ROI.Installation is pretty easy , you can download a pre-built image , copy it to the SD card , plug the SD card into the beagleboard and up you boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Texas Instruments' BeagleBoard [beagleboard.org] - it's an OMAP3 (ARM Cortex A8) at 600MHz, has an OpenGL ES capable graphics card (10M polys/sec, HD video) and can run off USB power or DC5V.
DVI-D + S-Video for the display and they can boot off either the internal flash or an SD card (cheap storage!
)They are $150 and run Linux in various flavours or even the free home use version of QNX if you need hard realtime capabilities.The design is quite open - check out the System Reference Manual [beagleboard.org]Running off either 5VDC or USB power, it typically uses 350mA, so it's using just 1.75W of power.Now, it doesn't have Ethernet built in, but there is an expansion board available that adds this, or there's a USB hub you can get for it with an Ethernet port and you're up and running.
Cutting your home server's power usage by a factor of 50 will have a pretty positive ROI.Installation is pretty easy, you can download a pre-built image, copy it to the SD card, plug the SD card into the beagleboard and up you boot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868247</id>
	<title>via pico itx</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256479860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>got a coupla logic supply pico itx boards from via.<br>WAAY under 30W and run full linux off a SATA drive with 1GB ram and 1 GHz CPUs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>got a coupla logic supply pico itx boards from via.WAAY under 30W and run full linux off a SATA drive with 1GB ram and 1 GHz CPUs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>got a coupla logic supply pico itx boards from via.WAAY under 30W and run full linux off a SATA drive with 1GB ram and 1 GHz CPUs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866241</id>
	<title>QNAP ts-109 with Debian Lenny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm running one of these with Lenny installed. It's officially supported by Debian so it's a piece of cake to install Lenny on it, although the default software would probably be able to do everything you want. This has a 500MHz arm processor which is a bit weak but there's a newer 1.2GHz version.</p><p>Sleeping mode: 6.6W<br>In operation: 14.4W</p><p>http://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=91</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running one of these with Lenny installed .
It 's officially supported by Debian so it 's a piece of cake to install Lenny on it , although the default software would probably be able to do everything you want .
This has a 500MHz arm processor which is a bit weak but there 's a newer 1.2GHz version.Sleeping mode : 6.6WIn operation : 14.4Whttp : //www.qnap.com/pro \ _detail \ _feature.asp ? p \ _id = 91</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running one of these with Lenny installed.
It's officially supported by Debian so it's a piece of cake to install Lenny on it, although the default software would probably be able to do everything you want.
This has a 500MHz arm processor which is a bit weak but there's a newer 1.2GHz version.Sleeping mode: 6.6WIn operation: 14.4Whttp://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=91</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867973</id>
	<title>Re:Home servers and low power</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1256476200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cablevision Boost service opens port 80 to home users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cablevision Boost service opens port 80 to home users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cablevision Boost service opens port 80 to home users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867041</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866111</id>
	<title>Mac mini - 14 watts @ idle</title>
	<author>cypherz</author>
	<datestamp>1256499300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The newest Mac Mini uses 14 watts when idle. Isn't a home server mostly going to sit around idle?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The newest Mac Mini uses 14 watts when idle .
Is n't a home server mostly going to sit around idle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The newest Mac Mini uses 14 watts when idle.
Isn't a home server mostly going to sit around idle?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869017</id>
	<title>Asus EeeBox</title>
	<author>Argon</author>
	<datestamp>1256491080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the B202 Linux version running Ubuntu as my media PC. Newegg has this for $299 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220012&amp;cm\_re=eee\_box-\_-83-220-012-\_-Product).  I am pretty happy with it as a media device. Super quite and under 20W average power usage (http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/features-green.html). It doesn't do 1080p but (there's a new EB1006 that does). It's not useful as a home server (only 160GB of built-in hard disk). It does have 4 USB ports, so external USB disks is an option (but that will add to the power usage).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the B202 Linux version running Ubuntu as my media PC .
Newegg has this for $ 299 ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16883220012&amp;cm \ _re = eee \ _box- \ _-83-220-012- \ _-Product ) .
I am pretty happy with it as a media device .
Super quite and under 20W average power usage ( http : //event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/features-green.html ) .
It does n't do 1080p but ( there 's a new EB1006 that does ) .
It 's not useful as a home server ( only 160GB of built-in hard disk ) .
It does have 4 USB ports , so external USB disks is an option ( but that will add to the power usage ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the B202 Linux version running Ubuntu as my media PC.
Newegg has this for $299 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220012&amp;cm\_re=eee\_box-\_-83-220-012-\_-Product).
I am pretty happy with it as a media device.
Super quite and under 20W average power usage (http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/eeebox/en/features-green.html).
It doesn't do 1080p but (there's a new EB1006 that does).
It's not useful as a home server (only 160GB of built-in hard disk).
It does have 4 USB ports, so external USB disks is an option (but that will add to the power usage).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865925</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini or Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1256497920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had problems with the nv9400 mini. So I wouldn't recommend them for Linux use.</p><p>The i945 minis I have have been chugging along quite happily though.</p><p>Although any mini is bound to be eclipsed by an Atom/Ion netbook though at this point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had problems with the nv9400 mini .
So I would n't recommend them for Linux use.The i945 minis I have have been chugging along quite happily though.Although any mini is bound to be eclipsed by an Atom/Ion netbook though at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had problems with the nv9400 mini.
So I wouldn't recommend them for Linux use.The i945 minis I have have been chugging along quite happily though.Although any mini is bound to be eclipsed by an Atom/Ion netbook though at this point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867257</id>
	<title>Re:Saving Money...yeah.</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1256466840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's saving $70/year. So the maths is</p><p>$300 + $30/y<br>against<br>$70/y + $30/y</p><p>The $30/y is being spent now, thus it is not an incremental cost in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's saving $ 70/year .
So the maths is $ 300 + $ 30/yagainst $ 70/y + $ 30/yThe $ 30/y is being spent now , thus it is not an incremental cost in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's saving $70/year.
So the maths is$300 + $30/yagainst$70/y + $30/yThe $30/y is being spent now, thus it is not an incremental cost in the future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865429</id>
	<title>PicoITX from VIA</title>
	<author>TheDarkMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1256494560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe something like <a href="http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/pico-itx/" title="via.com.tw" rel="nofollow">this</a> [via.com.tw] solves your problem? With a low-power PSU (on VIA too), you will get a low-power PC with a lot of flexibility</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe something like this [ via.com.tw ] solves your problem ?
With a low-power PSU ( on VIA too ) , you will get a low-power PC with a lot of flexibility</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe something like this [via.com.tw] solves your problem?
With a low-power PSU (on VIA too), you will get a low-power PC with a lot of flexibility</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874127</id>
	<title>Re:Soekris</title>
	<author>fialar</author>
	<datestamp>1256580240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to third the suggestion. I set up OpenBSD on a Soekris Net 5501 as my firewall and it works great as mail/web/firewall/jabber server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to third the suggestion .
I set up OpenBSD on a Soekris Net 5501 as my firewall and it works great as mail/web/firewall/jabber server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to third the suggestion.
I set up OpenBSD on a Soekris Net 5501 as my firewall and it works great as mail/web/firewall/jabber server.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867139</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867791</id>
	<title>i use eee pc as server</title>
	<author>xusch</author>
	<datestamp>1256473800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i got an eee pc HA900 from newegg for around $290 after shipping and california tax. i use it as a 24x7 server. i have been turning it on for 3 months. so far, i have not run into any problems.

it's energy efficient, very quiet, stable, poweful enough. i got windows XP home pre-installed, and a vm running linux as lamp server. i guess you can install linux directly on to the box. i choose windows as base because it comes pre-installed and easier for me to connect to other devices such as printer, wifi router, usb stick, etc. it even has build-in "UPS" (the battery), "Console Terminal" (the keyboard and LCD), and "Surveillance Camara" (webcam). everything works out beautifully so far, and i have no complaints.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i got an eee pc HA900 from newegg for around $ 290 after shipping and california tax .
i use it as a 24x7 server .
i have been turning it on for 3 months .
so far , i have not run into any problems .
it 's energy efficient , very quiet , stable , poweful enough .
i got windows XP home pre-installed , and a vm running linux as lamp server .
i guess you can install linux directly on to the box .
i choose windows as base because it comes pre-installed and easier for me to connect to other devices such as printer , wifi router , usb stick , etc .
it even has build-in " UPS " ( the battery ) , " Console Terminal " ( the keyboard and LCD ) , and " Surveillance Camara " ( webcam ) .
everything works out beautifully so far , and i have no complaints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i got an eee pc HA900 from newegg for around $290 after shipping and california tax.
i use it as a 24x7 server.
i have been turning it on for 3 months.
so far, i have not run into any problems.
it's energy efficient, very quiet, stable, poweful enough.
i got windows XP home pre-installed, and a vm running linux as lamp server.
i guess you can install linux directly on to the box.
i choose windows as base because it comes pre-installed and easier for me to connect to other devices such as printer, wifi router, usb stick, etc.
it even has build-in "UPS" (the battery), "Console Terminal" (the keyboard and LCD), and "Surveillance Camara" (webcam).
everything works out beautifully so far, and i have no complaints.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867127</id>
	<title>Atom 330 Desktop/Server</title>
	<author>jovetoo</author>
	<datestamp>1256465040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am running a system based on an Atom 330 motherboard from Intel. It has 2GB of memory and a 320GB harddisk. I payed about 300 euros for the complete system, but you can probably get it cheaper. The motherboard with cpu was 70 euro.
<p>
I like it because it is powerful enough to do most of my daily computing. It runs an apache, a mailserver and serves as my desktop machine. I use a 1680x1050 Gnome desktop, fullscreen video, browser and email client. It has, in practise, completely replaced my normal (1300 euro) desktop. After I replaced the crappy fan that came with the motherboard it is now perfectly silent.
</p><p>
The whole system, under load, uses 28Watt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am running a system based on an Atom 330 motherboard from Intel .
It has 2GB of memory and a 320GB harddisk .
I payed about 300 euros for the complete system , but you can probably get it cheaper .
The motherboard with cpu was 70 euro .
I like it because it is powerful enough to do most of my daily computing .
It runs an apache , a mailserver and serves as my desktop machine .
I use a 1680x1050 Gnome desktop , fullscreen video , browser and email client .
It has , in practise , completely replaced my normal ( 1300 euro ) desktop .
After I replaced the crappy fan that came with the motherboard it is now perfectly silent .
The whole system , under load , uses 28Watt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am running a system based on an Atom 330 motherboard from Intel.
It has 2GB of memory and a 320GB harddisk.
I payed about 300 euros for the complete system, but you can probably get it cheaper.
The motherboard with cpu was 70 euro.
I like it because it is powerful enough to do most of my daily computing.
It runs an apache, a mailserver and serves as my desktop machine.
I use a 1680x1050 Gnome desktop, fullscreen video, browser and email client.
It has, in practise, completely replaced my normal (1300 euro) desktop.
After I replaced the crappy fan that came with the motherboard it is now perfectly silent.
The whole system, under load, uses 28Watt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865791</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. When you buy because you need a new computer, buy a low-power system that's going to last you while. Don't buy a new system to save money or power. That said, low energy consumption usually results in a system that is easier to cool silently and that may well be a good enough reason to buy new hardware, especially since there are quite a few options available now that didn't exist a couple of years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
When you buy because you need a new computer , buy a low-power system that 's going to last you while .
Do n't buy a new system to save money or power .
That said , low energy consumption usually results in a system that is easier to cool silently and that may well be a good enough reason to buy new hardware , especially since there are quite a few options available now that did n't exist a couple of years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
When you buy because you need a new computer, buy a low-power system that's going to last you while.
Don't buy a new system to save money or power.
That said, low energy consumption usually results in a system that is easier to cool silently and that may well be a good enough reason to buy new hardware, especially since there are quite a few options available now that didn't exist a couple of years ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865633</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866275</id>
	<title>Whiite: Linux in a Wii</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been trying linux debian in my Wii for a while and I can't be more happy. ssh, web server, torrent client, nfs, video player,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>It's a very cheap computer (200&euro;)<br>I don't know exactly how much power it needs but its power supply unit is of 52W.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been trying linux debian in my Wii for a while and I ca n't be more happy .
ssh , web server , torrent client , nfs , video player , ...It 's a very cheap computer ( 200    ) I do n't know exactly how much power it needs but its power supply unit is of 52W .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been trying linux debian in my Wii for a while and I can't be more happy.
ssh, web server, torrent client, nfs, video player, ...It's a very cheap computer (200€)I don't know exactly how much power it needs but its power supply unit is of 52W.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874241</id>
	<title>800Mhz iMAC G3 LCD draws 39w</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256580840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took power measurements of my son's 800Mhz iMAC PPC, running Tiger, and it drew 39 watts.  An Acer 5100 AMD X2 (1.6 Ghz I think) laptop drew 24 watts - not sure if it was running XP or Kubuntu at that moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took power measurements of my son 's 800Mhz iMAC PPC , running Tiger , and it drew 39 watts .
An Acer 5100 AMD X2 ( 1.6 Ghz I think ) laptop drew 24 watts - not sure if it was running XP or Kubuntu at that moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took power measurements of my son's 800Mhz iMAC PPC, running Tiger, and it drew 39 watts.
An Acer 5100 AMD X2 (1.6 Ghz I think) laptop drew 24 watts - not sure if it was running XP or Kubuntu at that moment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866145</id>
	<title>Re:Don't expect ECC RAM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256499480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sure would like to find the same.  Modern VIA CPUs and chipsets support ECC, but it appears no one makes a low cost motherboard with implements support for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sure would like to find the same .
Modern VIA CPUs and chipsets support ECC , but it appears no one makes a low cost motherboard with implements support for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sure would like to find the same.
Modern VIA CPUs and chipsets support ECC, but it appears no one makes a low cost motherboard with implements support for it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865889</id>
	<title>I have built 38 Watt server</title>
	<author>snikulin</author>
	<datestamp>1256497740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wolfdale E7500, G31 mobo (Gigabyte), 1TB green WD HDD, single 1 GB stick, 80+ PSU.<br>
&nbsp; I have used <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-e7200-g31,2039.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [tomshardware.com] article as a guideline.<br>The Wolfdale is very low-power in idle state but delivers oomph when you need it (e.g. HD streaming to HTPC or video-recoding or re-sizing thumbnails in my <a href="http://gallery.menalto.com/" title="menalto.com" rel="nofollow">Gallery</a> [menalto.com]).<br>SUSE/Apache for few years, then when auto-updates broke the system few times in a row, WHS/IIS6.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wolfdale E7500 , G31 mobo ( Gigabyte ) , 1TB green WD HDD , single 1 GB stick , 80 + PSU .
  I have used this [ tomshardware.com ] article as a guideline.The Wolfdale is very low-power in idle state but delivers oomph when you need it ( e.g .
HD streaming to HTPC or video-recoding or re-sizing thumbnails in my Gallery [ menalto.com ] ) .SUSE/Apache for few years , then when auto-updates broke the system few times in a row , WHS/IIS6 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wolfdale E7500, G31 mobo (Gigabyte), 1TB green WD HDD, single 1 GB stick, 80+ PSU.
  I have used this [tomshardware.com] article as a guideline.The Wolfdale is very low-power in idle state but delivers oomph when you need it (e.g.
HD streaming to HTPC or video-recoding or re-sizing thumbnails in my Gallery [menalto.com]).SUSE/Apache for few years, then when auto-updates broke the system few times in a row, WHS/IIS6.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866333</id>
	<title>Pedal Power</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1256500860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a mac mini and hook a bicycle + generator up to it. Runs your server and burns off yesterday's donuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a mac mini and hook a bicycle + generator up to it .
Runs your server and burns off yesterday 's donuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a mac mini and hook a bicycle + generator up to it.
Runs your server and burns off yesterday's donuts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866489</id>
	<title>How cold is it outside?</title>
	<author>grizdog</author>
	<datestamp>1256502180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember, virtually all the electricity you use is being dissipated as heat, and so heating your house.  If you live in a cold place, you aren't wasting that much energy.  If you live in a hot place, you are using quite a bit more, since your air conditioner has to work that much harder to expell all that extra heat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember , virtually all the electricity you use is being dissipated as heat , and so heating your house .
If you live in a cold place , you are n't wasting that much energy .
If you live in a hot place , you are using quite a bit more , since your air conditioner has to work that much harder to expell all that extra heat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember, virtually all the electricity you use is being dissipated as heat, and so heating your house.
If you live in a cold place, you aren't wasting that much energy.
If you live in a hot place, you are using quite a bit more, since your air conditioner has to work that much harder to expell all that extra heat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29918127</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>rphenix</author>
	<datestamp>1256818320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a kurobox Pro (and before that a Kurobox HG) works with regular debian (including the debian installer) no poking around trying to get freelink debian going or having to compile your own kernels anymore.

I use it to run asterisk for our home phone, backup server, samba to host network files etc.. works great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a kurobox Pro ( and before that a Kurobox HG ) works with regular debian ( including the debian installer ) no poking around trying to get freelink debian going or having to compile your own kernels anymore .
I use it to run asterisk for our home phone , backup server , samba to host network files etc.. works great : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a kurobox Pro (and before that a Kurobox HG) works with regular debian (including the debian installer) no poking around trying to get freelink debian going or having to compile your own kernels anymore.
I use it to run asterisk for our home phone, backup server, samba to host network files etc.. works great :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866233</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a big fan of the Soekris Engineering embedded devices: http://www.soekris.com/</p><p>They feature AMD Geode CPU's, and are extremely flexible. You have to install linux via netboot on the lower end models - but that's childsplay compared to some of the other suggestions on here.</p><p>The net5501-70 runs $300, and features 500 Mhz CPU, 512 Mbyte SDRAM, 4 Ethernet, 2 serial, USB connector, CF socket, IDE&amp;SATA connector, 1 Mini-PCI socket, 3.3V PCI connector.</p><p>Runs silent, cheap, and powerful enough for what you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a big fan of the Soekris Engineering embedded devices : http : //www.soekris.com/They feature AMD Geode CPU 's , and are extremely flexible .
You have to install linux via netboot on the lower end models - but that 's childsplay compared to some of the other suggestions on here.The net5501-70 runs $ 300 , and features 500 Mhz CPU , 512 Mbyte SDRAM , 4 Ethernet , 2 serial , USB connector , CF socket , IDE&amp;SATA connector , 1 Mini-PCI socket , 3.3V PCI connector.Runs silent , cheap , and powerful enough for what you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a big fan of the Soekris Engineering embedded devices: http://www.soekris.com/They feature AMD Geode CPU's, and are extremely flexible.
You have to install linux via netboot on the lower end models - but that's childsplay compared to some of the other suggestions on here.The net5501-70 runs $300, and features 500 Mhz CPU, 512 Mbyte SDRAM, 4 Ethernet, 2 serial, USB connector, CF socket, IDE&amp;SATA connector, 1 Mini-PCI socket, 3.3V PCI connector.Runs silent, cheap, and powerful enough for what you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866693</id>
	<title>Architecture/OS Consistency</title>
	<author>archer, the</author>
	<datestamp>1256504100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently replaced my file server for two reasons. 1) Age. 2) It was a different architecture (PowerPC) than my workstations, which means I needed two different update procedures. I switched to an Atom based system (MSI Wind Nettop). Now, if I update one workstation or the server, the updates get cached and used to update the remaining systems. Further, it's the same command to update any system: yum update. It's slightly out of the power and price envelopes, but it saves significant time on administration. Getting something low-power is nice, but make sure you aren't significantly increasing your admin time or bandwidth requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently replaced my file server for two reasons .
1 ) Age .
2 ) It was a different architecture ( PowerPC ) than my workstations , which means I needed two different update procedures .
I switched to an Atom based system ( MSI Wind Nettop ) .
Now , if I update one workstation or the server , the updates get cached and used to update the remaining systems .
Further , it 's the same command to update any system : yum update .
It 's slightly out of the power and price envelopes , but it saves significant time on administration .
Getting something low-power is nice , but make sure you are n't significantly increasing your admin time or bandwidth requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently replaced my file server for two reasons.
1) Age.
2) It was a different architecture (PowerPC) than my workstations, which means I needed two different update procedures.
I switched to an Atom based system (MSI Wind Nettop).
Now, if I update one workstation or the server, the updates get cached and used to update the remaining systems.
Further, it's the same command to update any system: yum update.
It's slightly out of the power and price envelopes, but it saves significant time on administration.
Getting something low-power is nice, but make sure you aren't significantly increasing your admin time or bandwidth requirements.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865917</id>
	<title>MyBookWorld + ipkg=near complete linux experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using my mybook world as a home server for almost a year now. It's pretty much what you need for a home server since you can install ipkg to add software from repositories. It's cheap, simple and more or less what you want. The package system ipkg is easy and works like debian/ubuntu repositories. There are quite a lot of packages available just a single command away<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>More info at http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ and http://martin.hinner.info/mybook/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using my mybook world as a home server for almost a year now .
It 's pretty much what you need for a home server since you can install ipkg to add software from repositories .
It 's cheap , simple and more or less what you want .
The package system ipkg is easy and works like debian/ubuntu repositories .
There are quite a lot of packages available just a single command away ; ) More info at http : //mybookworld.wikidot.com/ and http : //martin.hinner.info/mybook/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using my mybook world as a home server for almost a year now.
It's pretty much what you need for a home server since you can install ipkg to add software from repositories.
It's cheap, simple and more or less what you want.
The package system ipkg is easy and works like debian/ubuntu repositories.
There are quite a lot of packages available just a single command away ;)More info at http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ and http://martin.hinner.info/mybook/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867497</id>
	<title>NSLU2</title>
	<author>karolus</author>
	<datestamp>1256470020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NSLU2 Arm based, linux powered

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>NSLU2 Arm based , linux powered http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NSLU2 Arm based, linux powered

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867495</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256469960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll second the FitPC-- though it's pretty underpowered, for my purposes, home security monitoring &amp; asterisk &amp; apache for interface, it works fine.   My main reason for getting it initially was because it has onboard VGA and can drive a monitor or projector-- I bought it to drive a projector with a slideshow for an art installation, and since have been using it as my always-on home monitoring system.   It'll run Linux or XP.  I've since found that for my original purpose for using it, can be just about as well served via a $35 (eBay) chinese-made media player with VGA out and a 2.5" SATA drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll second the FitPC-- though it 's pretty underpowered , for my purposes , home security monitoring &amp; asterisk &amp; apache for interface , it works fine .
My main reason for getting it initially was because it has onboard VGA and can drive a monitor or projector-- I bought it to drive a projector with a slideshow for an art installation , and since have been using it as my always-on home monitoring system .
It 'll run Linux or XP .
I 've since found that for my original purpose for using it , can be just about as well served via a $ 35 ( eBay ) chinese-made media player with VGA out and a 2.5 " SATA drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll second the FitPC-- though it's pretty underpowered, for my purposes, home security monitoring &amp; asterisk &amp; apache for interface, it works fine.
My main reason for getting it initially was because it has onboard VGA and can drive a monitor or projector-- I bought it to drive a projector with a slideshow for an art installation, and since have been using it as my always-on home monitoring system.
It'll run Linux or XP.
I've since found that for my original purpose for using it, can be just about as well served via a $35 (eBay) chinese-made media player with VGA out and a 2.5" SATA drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866507</id>
	<title>my experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Currently I have a P3-933 with a passively-cooled Radeon 9200 and a 2.5" HDD running 24/7. It eats ~28W at idle, 45W running folding@home, and ~57W running a 3D game. Using onboard Intel graphics instead of a video card saves 5-10W. The 2.5" HDD saves a few W compared to a 3.5" drive, SSD might also be a good option.</p><p>Of course, one can do better than an old 180nm Pentium 3. Now we have the Atom, which is frugal but not too quick, the Pentium M which is quicker and hungrier (22W at normal voltage, similar to the above-mentioned P3), low voltage versions of the Core/Core 2, AMD's Turion or 45W Athlon X2 and Athlon II X2. These CPUs can all switch multipliers and voltages on the fly to reduce power (although I'm not sure how well the ability is supported under Linux).</p><p>Not sure what form-factor you're looking for but grabbing a cheap Pentium M motherboard off of $AUCTION\_SITE with integrated graphics might be the most cost-effective route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently I have a P3-933 with a passively-cooled Radeon 9200 and a 2.5 " HDD running 24/7 .
It eats ~ 28W at idle , 45W running folding @ home , and ~ 57W running a 3D game .
Using onboard Intel graphics instead of a video card saves 5-10W .
The 2.5 " HDD saves a few W compared to a 3.5 " drive , SSD might also be a good option.Of course , one can do better than an old 180nm Pentium 3 .
Now we have the Atom , which is frugal but not too quick , the Pentium M which is quicker and hungrier ( 22W at normal voltage , similar to the above-mentioned P3 ) , low voltage versions of the Core/Core 2 , AMD 's Turion or 45W Athlon X2 and Athlon II X2 .
These CPUs can all switch multipliers and voltages on the fly to reduce power ( although I 'm not sure how well the ability is supported under Linux ) .Not sure what form-factor you 're looking for but grabbing a cheap Pentium M motherboard off of $ AUCTION \ _SITE with integrated graphics might be the most cost-effective route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently I have a P3-933 with a passively-cooled Radeon 9200 and a 2.5" HDD running 24/7.
It eats ~28W at idle, 45W running folding@home, and ~57W running a 3D game.
Using onboard Intel graphics instead of a video card saves 5-10W.
The 2.5" HDD saves a few W compared to a 3.5" drive, SSD might also be a good option.Of course, one can do better than an old 180nm Pentium 3.
Now we have the Atom, which is frugal but not too quick, the Pentium M which is quicker and hungrier (22W at normal voltage, similar to the above-mentioned P3), low voltage versions of the Core/Core 2, AMD's Turion or 45W Athlon X2 and Athlon II X2.
These CPUs can all switch multipliers and voltages on the fly to reduce power (although I'm not sure how well the ability is supported under Linux).Not sure what form-factor you're looking for but grabbing a cheap Pentium M motherboard off of $AUCTION\_SITE with integrated graphics might be the most cost-effective route.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865511</id>
	<title>So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if going to a new system would save $70 a year, how much would a new system cost?  $300?  So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off.  My advice?  Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it's not really that cost effective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if going to a new system would save $ 70 a year , how much would a new system cost ?
$ 300 ? So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off .
My advice ?
Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it 's not really that cost effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if going to a new system would save $70 a year, how much would a new system cost?
$300?  So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off.
My advice?
Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it's not really that cost effective.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869023</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini or Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>tknd</author>
	<datestamp>1256491140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't agree with option 1. He said under $300 and Mac Minis go for much higher than that even for the older ones.

</p><p>His best option is laptop hardware or wait for a netbook deal. Personally I prefer the netbook since there's so many of them, the hardware is generally supported by linux, the power draw will be very low, and it is easy to find a replacement. The netbook will also have keyboard, mouse, and display included where as with a mini you would have to ssh in or connect external devices. With the netbook you pretty much just plug it in, configure, and you're off. No other crap attached.

</p><p>The only good uses of the mini IMO are a home theatre system or for the sake of having actual mac hardware to run osx. For a home server I think it is way over priced. And yes, I own a mini as well as a netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't agree with option 1 .
He said under $ 300 and Mac Minis go for much higher than that even for the older ones .
His best option is laptop hardware or wait for a netbook deal .
Personally I prefer the netbook since there 's so many of them , the hardware is generally supported by linux , the power draw will be very low , and it is easy to find a replacement .
The netbook will also have keyboard , mouse , and display included where as with a mini you would have to ssh in or connect external devices .
With the netbook you pretty much just plug it in , configure , and you 're off .
No other crap attached .
The only good uses of the mini IMO are a home theatre system or for the sake of having actual mac hardware to run osx .
For a home server I think it is way over priced .
And yes , I own a mini as well as a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't agree with option 1.
He said under $300 and Mac Minis go for much higher than that even for the older ones.
His best option is laptop hardware or wait for a netbook deal.
Personally I prefer the netbook since there's so many of them, the hardware is generally supported by linux, the power draw will be very low, and it is easy to find a replacement.
The netbook will also have keyboard, mouse, and display included where as with a mini you would have to ssh in or connect external devices.
With the netbook you pretty much just plug it in, configure, and you're off.
No other crap attached.
The only good uses of the mini IMO are a home theatre system or for the sake of having actual mac hardware to run osx.
For a home server I think it is way over priced.
And yes, I own a mini as well as a netbook.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865705</id>
	<title>very old link</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://totl.net/Spud/" title="totl.net" rel="nofollow">http://totl.net/Spud/</a> [totl.net]</p><p>These guys did it and it's powered only by potatoes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //totl.net/Spud/ [ totl.net ] These guys did it and it 's powered only by potatoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://totl.net/Spud/ [totl.net]These guys did it and it's powered only by potatoes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871751</id>
	<title>Linksys NSLU2</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1256568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An old linksys NSLU2 that's been reflashed to run either Debian or OpeNSLUg would probably meet your needs.  They are very hackable and can be had for like $20 on ebay easily.  It's about the size of a paperback book, has ethernet and a couple USB ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An old linksys NSLU2 that 's been reflashed to run either Debian or OpeNSLUg would probably meet your needs .
They are very hackable and can be had for like $ 20 on ebay easily .
It 's about the size of a paperback book , has ethernet and a couple USB ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An old linksys NSLU2 that's been reflashed to run either Debian or OpeNSLUg would probably meet your needs.
They are very hackable and can be had for like $20 on ebay easily.
It's about the size of a paperback book, has ethernet and a couple USB ports.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865971</id>
	<title>QNAP TS-109 PRO whit debian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recommend the QNAP TS-109 PRO, I have it here and it works perfectly, it uses 14W of power, has an 500MHz ARM possessor and its fan-less, falls under the price-tag to.<br>Installing debian on it was very easy following a guide on Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend the QNAP TS-109 PRO , I have it here and it works perfectly , it uses 14W of power , has an 500MHz ARM possessor and its fan-less , falls under the price-tag to.Installing debian on it was very easy following a guide on Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend the QNAP TS-109 PRO, I have it here and it works perfectly, it uses 14W of power, has an 500MHz ARM possessor and its fan-less, falls under the price-tag to.Installing debian on it was very easy following a guide on Internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866455</id>
	<title>Bifferboard</title>
	<author>xiox</author>
	<datestamp>1256501880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://bifferos.bizhat.com/" title="bizhat.com">Bifferboard</a> [bizhat.com] - 1W power consumption, USB and ethernet - only 29 GBP. Runs standard x86 distributions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bifferboard [ bizhat.com ] - 1W power consumption , USB and ethernet - only 29 GBP .
Runs standard x86 distributions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bifferboard [bizhat.com] - 1W power consumption, USB and ethernet - only 29 GBP.
Runs standard x86 distributions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872649</id>
	<title>What I use</title>
	<author>Linnerd</author>
	<datestamp>1256572980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As low power Linux Gateways/Websever I'm using the ASUS EeeBox (cf.<br><a href="http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ" title="asus.com" rel="nofollow">http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ</a> [asus.com] -<br>Atom 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, 160G Disk, LAN, WLAN, USB)<br>It uses about 20-30W and with an external DVD drive attached you can install any current Linux x86 distribution on it.<br>Plus: you can get it without windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As low power Linux Gateways/Websever I 'm using the ASUS EeeBox ( cf.http : //usa.asus.com/product.aspx ? P \ _ID = QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ [ asus.com ] -Atom 1.6GHz , 2GB RAM , 160G Disk , LAN , WLAN , USB ) It uses about 20-30W and with an external DVD drive attached you can install any current Linux x86 distribution on it.Plus : you can get it without windows ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As low power Linux Gateways/Websever I'm using the ASUS EeeBox (cf.http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ [asus.com] -Atom 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, 160G Disk, LAN, WLAN, USB)It uses about 20-30W and with an external DVD drive attached you can install any current Linux x86 distribution on it.Plus: you can get it without windows ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865403</id>
	<title>X86 ok?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you looked into AMD Athlon 64 Neo or an Intel ION system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you looked into AMD Athlon 64 Neo or an Intel ION system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you looked into AMD Athlon 64 Neo or an Intel ION system?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872519</id>
	<title>Acer Revo</title>
	<author>PhilipJLewis</author>
	<datestamp>1256572260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used an Acer Revo Intel Atom based nettop. It sucks about 20-30W... I use it as my main desktop which also runs samba, bind, dhcpd, ssh, dovecot and postfix. Works a treat with Fedora11. I had exactly the same motivations and now am saving around $150 per year. The system cost me around $270 including extra 2GB DRAM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used an Acer Revo Intel Atom based nettop .
It sucks about 20-30W... I use it as my main desktop which also runs samba , bind , dhcpd , ssh , dovecot and postfix .
Works a treat with Fedora11 .
I had exactly the same motivations and now am saving around $ 150 per year .
The system cost me around $ 270 including extra 2GB DRAM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used an Acer Revo Intel Atom based nettop.
It sucks about 20-30W... I use it as my main desktop which also runs samba, bind, dhcpd, ssh, dovecot and postfix.
Works a treat with Fedora11.
I had exactly the same motivations and now am saving around $150 per year.
The system cost me around $270 including extra 2GB DRAM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865863</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>messner\_007</author>
	<datestamp>1256497500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing to watch out:<br>
<br>
I tried this with two laptops, and you have to keep the lid open, because processor overheats otherwise.<br>
<br>
This is bad for the space it occupies and for the dust that keeps raining on the keyboard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>
<br>
With lid open, it works great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing to watch out : I tried this with two laptops , and you have to keep the lid open , because processor overheats otherwise .
This is bad for the space it occupies and for the dust that keeps raining on the keyboard .. . With lid open , it works great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing to watch out:

I tried this with two laptops, and you have to keep the lid open, because processor overheats otherwise.
This is bad for the space it occupies and for the dust that keeps raining on the keyboard ...

With lid open, it works great.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865609</id>
	<title>my experience</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1256495580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I started off with a linksys nslu2 -- slug -- reflashed with debian. Those are 266 Mhz ARM (mine was dumbed down to 133 and I didn't ever get around to performing the surgery required to bump it back up) with 32M ram, 2 usb ports, and an ethernet (10MBit?) port.  The RAM was too limited, so I replaced it with a qnap 409 (256M Ram, ~512Mhz ARM) RAID box with 4 SATA slots, 3 USB ports, and a 100MBit ethernet port.  That was reflashed with debian as well and I love it.
<p>
Newer stuff to consider: <a href="http://qnap.com/pro\_detail\_hardware.asp?p\_id=127" title="qnap.com" rel="nofollow">qnap 419</a> [qnap.com] (1.2 ghz arm), <a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-2-globalscale-technologies-products.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com" rel="nofollow">openRD client</a> [globalscal...logies.com] (1.2 ghz arm), <a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-2-globalscale-technologies-products.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com" rel="nofollow">sheevaplug</a> [globalscal...logies.com] (the walwart computer)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started off with a linksys nslu2 -- slug -- reflashed with debian .
Those are 266 Mhz ARM ( mine was dumbed down to 133 and I did n't ever get around to performing the surgery required to bump it back up ) with 32M ram , 2 usb ports , and an ethernet ( 10MBit ?
) port .
The RAM was too limited , so I replaced it with a qnap 409 ( 256M Ram , ~ 512Mhz ARM ) RAID box with 4 SATA slots , 3 USB ports , and a 100MBit ethernet port .
That was reflashed with debian as well and I love it .
Newer stuff to consider : qnap 419 [ qnap.com ] ( 1.2 ghz arm ) , openRD client [ globalscal...logies.com ] ( 1.2 ghz arm ) , sheevaplug [ globalscal...logies.com ] ( the walwart computer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started off with a linksys nslu2 -- slug -- reflashed with debian.
Those are 266 Mhz ARM (mine was dumbed down to 133 and I didn't ever get around to performing the surgery required to bump it back up) with 32M ram, 2 usb ports, and an ethernet (10MBit?
) port.
The RAM was too limited, so I replaced it with a qnap 409 (256M Ram, ~512Mhz ARM) RAID box with 4 SATA slots, 3 USB ports, and a 100MBit ethernet port.
That was reflashed with debian as well and I love it.
Newer stuff to consider: qnap 419 [qnap.com] (1.2 ghz arm), openRD client [globalscal...logies.com] (1.2 ghz arm), sheevaplug [globalscal...logies.com] (the walwart computer)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29882473</id>
	<title>Realy small (power and size) system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256650740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to think realy minimal: I'm using a Micronix PV6270 system which is a PC/104 based system with a 533Mhz processor running SSH and some custom software for data logging in an appartment. Uses 2200mA@5V = 11Watt. A small flash "harddisk" for the logging. In total it's powered by a 15W powersupply. It's also realy small, 90x96mm and "roughly" 40mm high. It has VGA out (not that I ever use it), PS/2, serial ports, ethernet plus USB which i've connected a wlan module to. Oh, and it runs Ubuntu also (but you have to compile a 486 compatible kernel yourself).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to think realy minimal : I 'm using a Micronix PV6270 system which is a PC/104 based system with a 533Mhz processor running SSH and some custom software for data logging in an appartment .
Uses 2200mA @ 5V = 11Watt .
A small flash " harddisk " for the logging .
In total it 's powered by a 15W powersupply .
It 's also realy small , 90x96mm and " roughly " 40mm high .
It has VGA out ( not that I ever use it ) , PS/2 , serial ports , ethernet plus USB which i 've connected a wlan module to .
Oh , and it runs Ubuntu also ( but you have to compile a 486 compatible kernel yourself ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to think realy minimal: I'm using a Micronix PV6270 system which is a PC/104 based system with a 533Mhz processor running SSH and some custom software for data logging in an appartment.
Uses 2200mA@5V = 11Watt.
A small flash "harddisk" for the logging.
In total it's powered by a 15W powersupply.
It's also realy small, 90x96mm and "roughly" 40mm high.
It has VGA out (not that I ever use it), PS/2, serial ports, ethernet plus USB which i've connected a wlan module to.
Oh, and it runs Ubuntu also (but you have to compile a 486 compatible kernel yourself).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867041</id>
	<title>Home servers and low power</title>
	<author>bradbury</author>
	<datestamp>1256464200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm interested in how you are running a home server if it is serving to the Internet (presumably via apache).  My ISP Verizon (!#\%&amp;X!) [1] seems to have a policy of filtering incoming requests to "home" machines on port 80 (for normal HTTP).  Have you switched to serving on an alternate port or is your ISP less restrictive?</p><p>My second suggestion (before you go the alternate hardware route) would be to switch your Linux installation to use the "ondemand" CPU scheduler.  For the Pentium IV machine I am running this reduced the wall outlet CPU consumption was ~25 W (to around 105W).  Still not the reduction you are seeking but a place to start.</p><p>1. Verizon seems to consider "home servers" to require a higher priced "business" class DSL service.  On alternate HTTP ports the search bots will find your server fine though you will not rise high in the search results rankings unless you find ways to get the URLs with the alternate port #'s into circulation.  I wonder how much power Verizon consumes/wastes on port filtering?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm interested in how you are running a home server if it is serving to the Internet ( presumably via apache ) .
My ISP Verizon ( ! # \ % &amp;X !
) [ 1 ] seems to have a policy of filtering incoming requests to " home " machines on port 80 ( for normal HTTP ) .
Have you switched to serving on an alternate port or is your ISP less restrictive ? My second suggestion ( before you go the alternate hardware route ) would be to switch your Linux installation to use the " ondemand " CPU scheduler .
For the Pentium IV machine I am running this reduced the wall outlet CPU consumption was ~ 25 W ( to around 105W ) .
Still not the reduction you are seeking but a place to start.1 .
Verizon seems to consider " home servers " to require a higher priced " business " class DSL service .
On alternate HTTP ports the search bots will find your server fine though you will not rise high in the search results rankings unless you find ways to get the URLs with the alternate port # 's into circulation .
I wonder how much power Verizon consumes/wastes on port filtering ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm interested in how you are running a home server if it is serving to the Internet (presumably via apache).
My ISP Verizon (!#\%&amp;X!
) [1] seems to have a policy of filtering incoming requests to "home" machines on port 80 (for normal HTTP).
Have you switched to serving on an alternate port or is your ISP less restrictive?My second suggestion (before you go the alternate hardware route) would be to switch your Linux installation to use the "ondemand" CPU scheduler.
For the Pentium IV machine I am running this reduced the wall outlet CPU consumption was ~25 W (to around 105W).
Still not the reduction you are seeking but a place to start.1.
Verizon seems to consider "home servers" to require a higher priced "business" class DSL service.
On alternate HTTP ports the search bots will find your server fine though you will not rise high in the search results rankings unless you find ways to get the URLs with the alternate port #'s into circulation.
I wonder how much power Verizon consumes/wastes on port filtering?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867135</id>
	<title>AppleTV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256465160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use an AppleTV running linux. The biggest downsides are 1 usb port and only 100 mbps ethernet. The fact that the hard drive is only PATA gets annoying too. But it's absolutely silent and really easy on the electricity bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use an AppleTV running linux .
The biggest downsides are 1 usb port and only 100 mbps ethernet .
The fact that the hard drive is only PATA gets annoying too .
But it 's absolutely silent and really easy on the electricity bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use an AppleTV running linux.
The biggest downsides are 1 usb port and only 100 mbps ethernet.
The fact that the hard drive is only PATA gets annoying too.
But it's absolutely silent and really easy on the electricity bill.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872607</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Calyth</author>
	<datestamp>1256572740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It isn't so much that underclocking will give you the benefits, but undervolting.</p><p>Power, if I could remember the damn equation through this cold, is depending on voltage^3.</p><p>Lowering the frequency will allow you to use less volts to keep the transistor stable. Underclock, and lower the voltage, test the stability. Find a undervolted value that you like, cook it with a stress test for 24 hours or so, and then watch the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't so much that underclocking will give you the benefits , but undervolting.Power , if I could remember the damn equation through this cold , is depending on voltage ^ 3.Lowering the frequency will allow you to use less volts to keep the transistor stable .
Underclock , and lower the voltage , test the stability .
Find a undervolted value that you like , cook it with a stress test for 24 hours or so , and then watch the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't so much that underclocking will give you the benefits, but undervolting.Power, if I could remember the damn equation through this cold, is depending on voltage^3.Lowering the frequency will allow you to use less volts to keep the transistor stable.
Underclock, and lower the voltage, test the stability.
Find a undervolted value that you like, cook it with a stress test for 24 hours or so, and then watch the difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29885867</id>
	<title>Re:So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256667480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But at an average of 6c / kWh</i><br>When looking at the cost of electricity consumption with a view to deciding if it's worth saving it you should be looking at not the average cost but the marginal cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But at an average of 6c / kWhWhen looking at the cost of electricity consumption with a view to deciding if it 's worth saving it you should be looking at not the average cost but the marginal cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But at an average of 6c / kWhWhen looking at the cost of electricity consumption with a view to deciding if it's worth saving it you should be looking at not the average cost but the marginal cost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866381</id>
	<title>Apple TV</title>
	<author>openright</author>
	<datestamp>1256501340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Apple TV draws 25-35 watts and Ubuntu can run on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple TV draws 25-35 watts and Ubuntu can run on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple TV draws 25-35 watts and Ubuntu can run on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869835</id>
	<title>second hand EEEPC 700</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256589120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this was the smallest, back of the unit says it draws 22W, it has an older but quite credible celeron processor, just open it up, stick a 2 gig ram, run a server distribution of linux eg ubuntu 9.4, just install the packages you want, three USB ports can be loaded up with external drives, its a good low wattage server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this was the smallest , back of the unit says it draws 22W , it has an older but quite credible celeron processor , just open it up , stick a 2 gig ram , run a server distribution of linux eg ubuntu 9.4 , just install the packages you want , three USB ports can be loaded up with external drives , its a good low wattage server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this was the smallest, back of the unit says it draws 22W, it has an older but quite credible celeron processor, just open it up, stick a 2 gig ram, run a server distribution of linux eg ubuntu 9.4, just install the packages you want, three USB ports can be loaded up with external drives, its a good low wattage server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867215</id>
	<title>Look at portables - Netbooks</title>
	<author>TheNetAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1256466300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want low power, look at any of the Netbook and low power 'portable' market devices.</p><p>They run on a few Watts compared to something even like a Mini-ATX or Mac Mini desktop solution.</p><p>Pick an OS that knows how to handle the device's power management - some distributions suck at this, and some are smooth as butter. (Use something like Windows7 -trial copy- to baseline the power usage to help pick a distribution that gets close to what Windows7 does with power usage or beats it, as it is a good all around consumer baseline OS that does try to manage every power management trick in the book.)</p><p>You can even stick to a bland x86 architecture, making things a lot easier for you.</p><p>If you pick a netbook or low end laptop, use USB 'selective suspend' devices for storage, DVD/CDROM, etc. Also some of the low end power efficient laptops have eSATA, ExpressCard, etc.</p><p>Low power is what these devices were designed to do.  (One caveat, make sure they have a 'smart' AC adapter, if not, the AC adapter will not cycle down, and so all the laptop side power saving won't have as dramatic gain.)</p><p>PS for a Server, a low end laptop is rather smart, as it can be folded away on your bookshelf next to your hub out of the way, and they also have built in battery backup for power outages and smart shutdown/restart - perfect for servers.</p><p>Good Luck...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want low power , look at any of the Netbook and low power 'portable ' market devices.They run on a few Watts compared to something even like a Mini-ATX or Mac Mini desktop solution.Pick an OS that knows how to handle the device 's power management - some distributions suck at this , and some are smooth as butter .
( Use something like Windows7 -trial copy- to baseline the power usage to help pick a distribution that gets close to what Windows7 does with power usage or beats it , as it is a good all around consumer baseline OS that does try to manage every power management trick in the book .
) You can even stick to a bland x86 architecture , making things a lot easier for you.If you pick a netbook or low end laptop , use USB 'selective suspend ' devices for storage , DVD/CDROM , etc .
Also some of the low end power efficient laptops have eSATA , ExpressCard , etc.Low power is what these devices were designed to do .
( One caveat , make sure they have a 'smart ' AC adapter , if not , the AC adapter will not cycle down , and so all the laptop side power saving wo n't have as dramatic gain .
) PS for a Server , a low end laptop is rather smart , as it can be folded away on your bookshelf next to your hub out of the way , and they also have built in battery backup for power outages and smart shutdown/restart - perfect for servers.Good Luck.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want low power, look at any of the Netbook and low power 'portable' market devices.They run on a few Watts compared to something even like a Mini-ATX or Mac Mini desktop solution.Pick an OS that knows how to handle the device's power management - some distributions suck at this, and some are smooth as butter.
(Use something like Windows7 -trial copy- to baseline the power usage to help pick a distribution that gets close to what Windows7 does with power usage or beats it, as it is a good all around consumer baseline OS that does try to manage every power management trick in the book.
)You can even stick to a bland x86 architecture, making things a lot easier for you.If you pick a netbook or low end laptop, use USB 'selective suspend' devices for storage, DVD/CDROM, etc.
Also some of the low end power efficient laptops have eSATA, ExpressCard, etc.Low power is what these devices were designed to do.
(One caveat, make sure they have a 'smart' AC adapter, if not, the AC adapter will not cycle down, and so all the laptop side power saving won't have as dramatic gain.
)PS for a Server, a low end laptop is rather smart, as it can be folded away on your bookshelf next to your hub out of the way, and they also have built in battery backup for power outages and smart shutdown/restart - perfect for servers.Good Luck...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867067</id>
	<title>Thin clients...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256464440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had an old P3 laptop I used for just this, and it pulled 25 Watts.  It was getting flakey, and I replaced it with a Wyse 9455XL thin client -- actually a pretty standard fanless MiniITX Via system.  I added a 4GB CF card for a disk, and it pulls 12 Watts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had an old P3 laptop I used for just this , and it pulled 25 Watts .
It was getting flakey , and I replaced it with a Wyse 9455XL thin client -- actually a pretty standard fanless MiniITX Via system .
I added a 4GB CF card for a disk , and it pulls 12 Watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had an old P3 laptop I used for just this, and it pulled 25 Watts.
It was getting flakey, and I replaced it with a Wyse 9455XL thin client -- actually a pretty standard fanless MiniITX Via system.
I added a 4GB CF card for a disk, and it pulls 12 Watts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867091</id>
	<title>MSNTV2</title>
	<author>Shadyman</author>
	<datestamp>1256464680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm running a Linux-loaded MSNTV2, and with an IDE hard drive. At 100\% CPU, it peaks at 15W.<br> <br>

It takes a bit of hardware hacking, but if you're into that kind of thing, see <a href="http://www.toc2rta.com/index.php/?q=node/2" title="toc2rta.com">MSNTV2 Linux Port</a> [toc2rta.com] and <a href="http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/856" title="erroraccessdenied.com">MSNTV2 Boot Tutorial</a> [erroraccessdenied.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running a Linux-loaded MSNTV2 , and with an IDE hard drive .
At 100 \ % CPU , it peaks at 15W .
It takes a bit of hardware hacking , but if you 're into that kind of thing , see MSNTV2 Linux Port [ toc2rta.com ] and MSNTV2 Boot Tutorial [ erroraccessdenied.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running a Linux-loaded MSNTV2, and with an IDE hard drive.
At 100\% CPU, it peaks at 15W.
It takes a bit of hardware hacking, but if you're into that kind of thing, see MSNTV2 Linux Port [toc2rta.com] and MSNTV2 Boot Tutorial [erroraccessdenied.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29877703</id>
	<title>Get an alix</title>
	<author>nikolag</author>
	<datestamp>1256552760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So many replays, but I can't see the right one. Here is my configuration:</p><p>Motherboard: Alix1C (ITX board 500MHz AMD Geode processor, 256MB RAM, Alix1D  is currently in production). board has two serial ports, parallel port, several USB ports, LAN, PCI, mPCI, 4 audio ports, keyboard/mice port, 44pin ATa port, and CF card slot, and other...</p><p>Power supply: 12V, 1.25A, idle consumption 5W plus 2-3W for HDD (Hitachi 30Gb 2.5" ATA HDD), pluged directly into board.  See <a href="http://www.pcengines.ch/" title="pcengines.ch" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcengines.ch/</a> [pcengines.ch] for more info. I tested board from -10 to +50 degrees Celsius, works like a charm for two years non-stop now.</p><p>One PCI SATA controler, with two 1TB HDD, and 12V 2A + 5V 2A power supply, fanless. HDD's take about 30-35W together (haven't measured it).<br>I placed all that in one old ITX case, and right now I have replaced original power suppply with two fanless "brickl" PSUs. Case is ventilated with one 120mm fan, running on 5V.</p><p>Ubuntu LTS is installed, running services: Teamspeak, ftp, www, mysql (for WIKI and other things), DC hub (for local network), DC client, Open2300 meteo station software (see <a href="http://www.pljusak.hr/" title="pljusak.hr" rel="nofollow">http://www.pljusak.hr/</a> [pljusak.hr] and <a href="http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Open2300/WebHome" title="lavrsen.dk" rel="nofollow">http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Open2300/WebHome</a> [lavrsen.dk] ), samba, and some others.<br>I was just reassembling it yesterday... ( <a href="http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004006.JPG" title="vallisaurea.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004006.JPG</a> [vallisaurea.net] and <a href="http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004008.JPG" title="vallisaurea.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004008.JPG</a> [vallisaurea.net] )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So many replays , but I ca n't see the right one .
Here is my configuration : Motherboard : Alix1C ( ITX board 500MHz AMD Geode processor , 256MB RAM , Alix1D is currently in production ) .
board has two serial ports , parallel port , several USB ports , LAN , PCI , mPCI , 4 audio ports , keyboard/mice port , 44pin ATa port , and CF card slot , and other...Power supply : 12V , 1.25A , idle consumption 5W plus 2-3W for HDD ( Hitachi 30Gb 2.5 " ATA HDD ) , pluged directly into board .
See http : //www.pcengines.ch/ [ pcengines.ch ] for more info .
I tested board from -10 to + 50 degrees Celsius , works like a charm for two years non-stop now.One PCI SATA controler , with two 1TB HDD , and 12V 2A + 5V 2A power supply , fanless .
HDD 's take about 30-35W together ( have n't measured it ) .I placed all that in one old ITX case , and right now I have replaced original power suppply with two fanless " brickl " PSUs .
Case is ventilated with one 120mm fan , running on 5V.Ubuntu LTS is installed , running services : Teamspeak , ftp , www , mysql ( for WIKI and other things ) , DC hub ( for local network ) , DC client , Open2300 meteo station software ( see http : //www.pljusak.hr/ [ pljusak.hr ] and http : //www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Open2300/WebHome [ lavrsen.dk ] ) , samba , and some others.I was just reassembling it yesterday... ( http : //www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004006.JPG [ vallisaurea.net ] and http : //www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004008.JPG [ vallisaurea.net ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many replays, but I can't see the right one.
Here is my configuration:Motherboard: Alix1C (ITX board 500MHz AMD Geode processor, 256MB RAM, Alix1D  is currently in production).
board has two serial ports, parallel port, several USB ports, LAN, PCI, mPCI, 4 audio ports, keyboard/mice port, 44pin ATa port, and CF card slot, and other...Power supply: 12V, 1.25A, idle consumption 5W plus 2-3W for HDD (Hitachi 30Gb 2.5" ATA HDD), pluged directly into board.
See http://www.pcengines.ch/ [pcengines.ch] for more info.
I tested board from -10 to +50 degrees Celsius, works like a charm for two years non-stop now.One PCI SATA controler, with two 1TB HDD, and 12V 2A + 5V 2A power supply, fanless.
HDD's take about 30-35W together (haven't measured it).I placed all that in one old ITX case, and right now I have replaced original power suppply with two fanless "brickl" PSUs.
Case is ventilated with one 120mm fan, running on 5V.Ubuntu LTS is installed, running services: Teamspeak, ftp, www, mysql (for WIKI and other things), DC hub (for local network), DC client, Open2300 meteo station software (see http://www.pljusak.hr/ [pljusak.hr] and http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Open2300/WebHome [lavrsen.dk] ), samba, and some others.I was just reassembling it yesterday... ( http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004006.JPG [vallisaurea.net] and http://www.vallisaurea.net/staro/webcam/S5004008.JPG [vallisaurea.net] )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865821</id>
	<title>What do you want to do?</title>
	<author>DrogMan</author>
	<datestamp>1256497200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A MiniITX Via 1GHz processor will run at about 15 watts, but if you want less, look for 500MHz AMD Geode boards (ALIX). 4 watts. The savings comes from not having an graphics hardware - it's rs232. They're fantastic little boards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A MiniITX Via 1GHz processor will run at about 15 watts , but if you want less , look for 500MHz AMD Geode boards ( ALIX ) .
4 watts .
The savings comes from not having an graphics hardware - it 's rs232 .
They 're fantastic little boards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A MiniITX Via 1GHz processor will run at about 15 watts, but if you want less, look for 500MHz AMD Geode boards (ALIX).
4 watts.
The savings comes from not having an graphics hardware - it's rs232.
They're fantastic little boards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870279</id>
	<title>I use a Thin Client</title>
	<author>unixwars</author>
	<datestamp>1256552040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got me one of these <a href="http://unixwars.com/2009/02/19/fattening-up-a-thin-client/" title="unixwars.com" rel="nofollow">http://unixwars.com/2009/02/19/fattening-up-a-thin-client/</a> [unixwars.com] for under 75$. I just added an internal HDD for downloads. It has plenty of power and uses standard x86 code, so no problem with the upgrades.
It draws from 18 to 27W. Not as little as the ARM alternative, though.
It is also fanless, and has a printer and 3 USB HDDs attached through USB, Gigabit Ethernet and has a PCI slot in case you need eSata or whatever.

I've been very happy with it so far.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got me one of these http : //unixwars.com/2009/02/19/fattening-up-a-thin-client/ [ unixwars.com ] for under 75 $ .
I just added an internal HDD for downloads .
It has plenty of power and uses standard x86 code , so no problem with the upgrades .
It draws from 18 to 27W .
Not as little as the ARM alternative , though .
It is also fanless , and has a printer and 3 USB HDDs attached through USB , Gigabit Ethernet and has a PCI slot in case you need eSata or whatever .
I 've been very happy with it so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got me one of these http://unixwars.com/2009/02/19/fattening-up-a-thin-client/ [unixwars.com] for under 75$.
I just added an internal HDD for downloads.
It has plenty of power and uses standard x86 code, so no problem with the upgrades.
It draws from 18 to 27W.
Not as little as the ARM alternative, though.
It is also fanless, and has a printer and 3 USB HDDs attached through USB, Gigabit Ethernet and has a PCI slot in case you need eSata or whatever.
I've been very happy with it so far.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29878983</id>
	<title>ClearOS on Lex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256559960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use ClearOS 5.1 on small fanless boxes from Lex or CappuccinoPC. They pull about 15 Watts of power and have multiple NICs so I can run various firewall, file server, content filtration, web server, and database applications. My needs are light and the system works well with a light OS that is easy enough for my mom to administer the sites list UI for the content filter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use ClearOS 5.1 on small fanless boxes from Lex or CappuccinoPC .
They pull about 15 Watts of power and have multiple NICs so I can run various firewall , file server , content filtration , web server , and database applications .
My needs are light and the system works well with a light OS that is easy enough for my mom to administer the sites list UI for the content filter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use ClearOS 5.1 on small fanless boxes from Lex or CappuccinoPC.
They pull about 15 Watts of power and have multiple NICs so I can run various firewall, file server, content filtration, web server, and database applications.
My needs are light and the system works well with a light OS that is easy enough for my mom to administer the sites list UI for the content filter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865587</id>
	<title>My computer just let out with a shudder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be careful about mentioning 30 watt power supplies. My whole system just got withdrawal shakes even thinking about it. I had to open a few more apps and max out the CPU just to calm it down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be careful about mentioning 30 watt power supplies .
My whole system just got withdrawal shakes even thinking about it .
I had to open a few more apps and max out the CPU just to calm it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be careful about mentioning 30 watt power supplies.
My whole system just got withdrawal shakes even thinking about it.
I had to open a few more apps and max out the CPU just to calm it down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867405</id>
	<title>Run it on Linux with the power optimizations on</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256468640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like to run mine on the best h<a href="http://www.amahi.org/" title="amahi.org" rel="nofollow">Amahi</a> [amahi.org] (http://www.amahi.org), on an Atom system with all the power management optimizations on: cpuspeed, no X (headless), disk power management tuned nicely. And also I run it well ventilated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like to run mine on the best hAmahi [ amahi.org ] ( http : //www.amahi.org ) , on an Atom system with all the power management optimizations on : cpuspeed , no X ( headless ) , disk power management tuned nicely .
And also I run it well ventilated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like to run mine on the best hAmahi [amahi.org] (http://www.amahi.org), on an Atom system with all the power management optimizations on: cpuspeed, no X (headless), disk power management tuned nicely.
And also I run it well ventilated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865923</id>
	<title>Bubba</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a Bubba http://www.excito.com/ - I've had the original Bubba server for 2 years and it's still ticking along beautifully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Bubba http : //www.excito.com/ - I 've had the original Bubba server for 2 years and it 's still ticking along beautifully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Bubba http://www.excito.com/ - I've had the original Bubba server for 2 years and it's still ticking along beautifully.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870221</id>
	<title>Linkstation Pro Giga Bit</title>
	<author>neurosine</author>
	<datestamp>1256551500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using Freelink: <a href="http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php?title=Category:FreeLink" title="nas-central.org" rel="nofollow">http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php?title=Category:FreeLink</a> [nas-central.org]
on my LS Pro for a couple of years now with no hassle. I replaced the 500GB SATA with a 750GB, I get about 12MB/s throughput and unless it loses power, no issues. Then I just have to like, push the power button.
I also have Webmin installed so it's easy to add services. The modification requires some technical skills, but there are step by step instructions for the process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Freelink : http : //buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php ? title = Category : FreeLink [ nas-central.org ] on my LS Pro for a couple of years now with no hassle .
I replaced the 500GB SATA with a 750GB , I get about 12MB/s throughput and unless it loses power , no issues .
Then I just have to like , push the power button .
I also have Webmin installed so it 's easy to add services .
The modification requires some technical skills , but there are step by step instructions for the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Freelink: http://buffalo.nas-central.org/index.php?title=Category:FreeLink [nas-central.org]
on my LS Pro for a couple of years now with no hassle.
I replaced the 500GB SATA with a 750GB, I get about 12MB/s throughput and unless it loses power, no issues.
Then I just have to like, push the power button.
I also have Webmin installed so it's easy to add services.
The modification requires some technical skills, but there are step by step instructions for the process.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868355</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256481480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe one of the atom 330s modles? if you want a media server as well then go with an ION model.  the mini is total and complete overkill for what your trying to do</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe one of the atom 330s modles ?
if you want a media server as well then go with an ION model .
the mini is total and complete overkill for what your trying to do</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe one of the atom 330s modles?
if you want a media server as well then go with an ION model.
the mini is total and complete overkill for what your trying to do</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29962166</id>
	<title>an atom based nettop</title>
	<author>3demi</author>
	<datestamp>1257254820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>I have an atom based nettop (eeebox 202 from asus<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ) it make virtually no noise and use very low power.</p><p>the CPU (atom 1.6ghz) could be seen a slow but is perfect for ma use:</p><p>i have installed on it a linux distribustion and it provide me this services:<br>- file server (samba/nfs)<br>- apache server<br>- video playback with XBMC, as the box is attached behind my TV on the vesa support. (max 720p)</p><p>if you need better video performance there is new version of the box based on ATI or nvidia chipsets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,I have an atom based nettop ( eeebox 202 from asus : http : //usa.asus.com/product.aspx ? P \ _ID = QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ ) it make virtually no noise and use very low power.the CPU ( atom 1.6ghz ) could be seen a slow but is perfect for ma use : i have installed on it a linux distribustion and it provide me this services : - file server ( samba/nfs ) - apache server- video playback with XBMC , as the box is attached behind my TV on the vesa support .
( max 720p ) if you need better video performance there is new version of the box based on ATI or nvidia chipsets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,I have an atom based nettop (eeebox 202 from asus :http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P\_ID=QUObl5lSRQQ3lSqJ) it make virtually no noise and use very low power.the CPU (atom 1.6ghz) could be seen a slow but is perfect for ma use:i have installed on it a linux distribustion and it provide me this services:- file server (samba/nfs)- apache server- video playback with XBMC, as the box is attached behind my TV on the vesa support.
(max 720p)if you need better video performance there is new version of the box based on ATI or nvidia chipsets.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865839</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't look like you need extensive processing power, so why not just underclock your current server? That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill.</p></div><p> assuming your servers power saving functions work with the underclocked settings during the idle time. Wouldn't it be nice if the processor manufacturers would release the processors with individual shmoo plots? Process variability could be then considered not as threat to the marketing but an opportunity to create more value for the whole "ecosystem". Let the customer make the compromises they want</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't look like you need extensive processing power , so why not just underclock your current server ?
That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill .
assuming your servers power saving functions work with the underclocked settings during the idle time .
Would n't it be nice if the processor manufacturers would release the processors with individual shmoo plots ?
Process variability could be then considered not as threat to the marketing but an opportunity to create more value for the whole " ecosystem " .
Let the customer make the compromises they want</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't look like you need extensive processing power, so why not just underclock your current server?
That alone will save you a pretty penny on your bill.
assuming your servers power saving functions work with the underclocked settings during the idle time.
Wouldn't it be nice if the processor manufacturers would release the processors with individual shmoo plots?
Process variability could be then considered not as threat to the marketing but an opportunity to create more value for the whole "ecosystem".
Let the customer make the compromises they want
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865735</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm actually running an old P3 machine, and it idles around 30w, but today I would have gone for a VIA or Atom solution.</p><p>It all depends on what you want to do and how much computing power you need.</p><p>Don't forget that disks and other items also require some power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually running an old P3 machine , and it idles around 30w , but today I would have gone for a VIA or Atom solution.It all depends on what you want to do and how much computing power you need.Do n't forget that disks and other items also require some power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually running an old P3 machine, and it idles around 30w, but today I would have gone for a VIA or Atom solution.It all depends on what you want to do and how much computing power you need.Don't forget that disks and other items also require some power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870681</id>
	<title>Fonera 2.0n</title>
	<author>alexandre\_ganso</author>
	<datestamp>1256558280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, take a look at the developers' blog of the fonera. Besides, it's a 802.11n router.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , take a look at the developers ' blog of the fonera .
Besides , it 's a 802.11n router .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, take a look at the developers' blog of the fonera.
Besides, it's a 802.11n router.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872593</id>
	<title>There's cheap and then there's stupid cheap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256572620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So have any of you Einsteins done the calculations on how much its going to cost you for your hardware expenditures vs the energy savings?  The ones of you that have and think your saving money did you include the billing of your time in the equation?    I wonder how many of you will end up blowing money down the drain so that you can have the perception of cost savings when you could have reasonable cost with a normal system without all the tinkering and extra cost outlay.  This whole question is great for the stupid cheap people out there.  What are you guys going to do next?  Buy a 20K car so you can save 2mpg and save all that money on gas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So have any of you Einsteins done the calculations on how much its going to cost you for your hardware expenditures vs the energy savings ?
The ones of you that have and think your saving money did you include the billing of your time in the equation ?
I wonder how many of you will end up blowing money down the drain so that you can have the perception of cost savings when you could have reasonable cost with a normal system without all the tinkering and extra cost outlay .
This whole question is great for the stupid cheap people out there .
What are you guys going to do next ?
Buy a 20K car so you can save 2mpg and save all that money on gas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So have any of you Einsteins done the calculations on how much its going to cost you for your hardware expenditures vs the energy savings?
The ones of you that have and think your saving money did you include the billing of your time in the equation?
I wonder how many of you will end up blowing money down the drain so that you can have the perception of cost savings when you could have reasonable cost with a normal system without all the tinkering and extra cost outlay.
This whole question is great for the stupid cheap people out there.
What are you guys going to do next?
Buy a 20K car so you can save 2mpg and save all that money on gas?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866047</id>
	<title>Readynas Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netgear's Readynas Duo would probably work for you.  It probably has everything you are looking for baked in, including root access. I've added a subversion repository to mine but don't find a need to modify it further.  You can usually use Debian's sparc packages on it directly without any trouble.  Goes for $250 without any drives on amazon.  Power supply is 60W, but is typically uses about 35W.  Also has a power saving mode which should lower that further.  Check it out:</p><p>http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netgear 's Readynas Duo would probably work for you .
It probably has everything you are looking for baked in , including root access .
I 've added a subversion repository to mine but do n't find a need to modify it further .
You can usually use Debian 's sparc packages on it directly without any trouble .
Goes for $ 250 without any drives on amazon .
Power supply is 60W , but is typically uses about 35W .
Also has a power saving mode which should lower that further .
Check it out : http : //netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netgear's Readynas Duo would probably work for you.
It probably has everything you are looking for baked in, including root access.
I've added a subversion repository to mine but don't find a need to modify it further.
You can usually use Debian's sparc packages on it directly without any trouble.
Goes for $250 without any drives on amazon.
Power supply is 60W, but is typically uses about 35W.
Also has a power saving mode which should lower that further.
Check it out:http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867609</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Pvt\_Ryan</author>
	<datestamp>1256471700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where can i get a sheevaplug in the UK? <br>
The sites linked above are charging &pound;60 in postage. Which is stupid considering the plug is &pound;60.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where can i get a sheevaplug in the UK ?
The sites linked above are charging   60 in postage .
Which is stupid considering the plug is   60 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where can i get a sheevaplug in the UK?
The sites linked above are charging £60 in postage.
Which is stupid considering the plug is £60.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867707</id>
	<title>douggack</title>
	<author>douggack</author>
	<datestamp>1256472720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have done two different ones, so far.  The first is (over-) documented here:  <a href="http://dgack.selfip.com/server/Server2008.php" title="selfip.com" rel="nofollow">http://dgack.selfip.com/server/Server2008.php</a> [selfip.com] .  It works O.K., if a bit slow.  The second one is an Intel Atom 330 (with Intel mobo), 2 gigs of ram, etc.  It's a 60\% faster clock rate, and dual core (with hyperthreading, it looks like 4 cores in Fedora system monitor.) it's a lot healthier.  Either one works fine, and can be done for near your target cost.  Look at directron.com, and mwave.com for bits and pieces.  The Via is rated at about 4 watts, the Intel at about 7, so the power savings are definitely there.

Doug</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have done two different ones , so far .
The first is ( over- ) documented here : http : //dgack.selfip.com/server/Server2008.php [ selfip.com ] .
It works O.K. , if a bit slow .
The second one is an Intel Atom 330 ( with Intel mobo ) , 2 gigs of ram , etc .
It 's a 60 \ % faster clock rate , and dual core ( with hyperthreading , it looks like 4 cores in Fedora system monitor .
) it 's a lot healthier .
Either one works fine , and can be done for near your target cost .
Look at directron.com , and mwave.com for bits and pieces .
The Via is rated at about 4 watts , the Intel at about 7 , so the power savings are definitely there .
Doug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have done two different ones, so far.
The first is (over-) documented here:  http://dgack.selfip.com/server/Server2008.php [selfip.com] .
It works O.K., if a bit slow.
The second one is an Intel Atom 330 (with Intel mobo), 2 gigs of ram, etc.
It's a 60\% faster clock rate, and dual core (with hyperthreading, it looks like 4 cores in Fedora system monitor.
) it's a lot healthier.
Either one works fine, and can be done for near your target cost.
Look at directron.com, and mwave.com for bits and pieces.
The Via is rated at about 4 watts, the Intel at about 7, so the power savings are definitely there.
Doug</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868361</id>
	<title>Go industrial</title>
	<author>thoglette</author>
	<datestamp>1256481600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go industrial - get something like the Moxa UC-7400 (18W, all solid state, small, no temperature issues)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; No fan noise, either</p><p>See <a href="http://www.moxa.com/Product/UC-7400.htm" title="moxa.com">http://www.moxa.com/Product/UC-7400.htm</a> [moxa.com]</p><p>(Yes, I've got one sitting on my desk.  I could sell you one but the postage would be prohibitive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go industrial - get something like the Moxa UC-7400 ( 18W , all solid state , small , no temperature issues )     No fan noise , eitherSee http : //www.moxa.com/Product/UC-7400.htm [ moxa.com ] ( Yes , I 've got one sitting on my desk .
I could sell you one but the postage would be prohibitive : - ) .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go industrial - get something like the Moxa UC-7400 (18W, all solid state, small, no temperature issues)
    No fan noise, eitherSee http://www.moxa.com/Product/UC-7400.htm [moxa.com](Yes, I've got one sitting on my desk.
I could sell you one but the postage would be prohibitive :-).
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868313</id>
	<title>AMD 4850e or 5050e</title>
	<author>xororand</author>
	<datestamp>1256480940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can build a cheap x86\_64 system that uses about 25 Watts idle with an AMD X2 4850e CPU (2x 2.5 GHz) and an nForce 630a chipset. Unfortunately that CPU isn't easily available anymore but as far as I know, AMD has only recently released a successor.</p><p>My 4850e system uses about 40 Watts idle but that includes:<br>- 2 spinning 3,5" hard drives<br>- Onboard gigabit ethernet<br>- 100 MBit/s PCI ethernet card<br>- WiFi PCI card</p><p>The power supply is a relatively cheap one from BeQuiet with 80\%+ efficiency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can build a cheap x86 \ _64 system that uses about 25 Watts idle with an AMD X2 4850e CPU ( 2x 2.5 GHz ) and an nForce 630a chipset .
Unfortunately that CPU is n't easily available anymore but as far as I know , AMD has only recently released a successor.My 4850e system uses about 40 Watts idle but that includes : - 2 spinning 3,5 " hard drives- Onboard gigabit ethernet- 100 MBit/s PCI ethernet card- WiFi PCI cardThe power supply is a relatively cheap one from BeQuiet with 80 \ % + efficiency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can build a cheap x86\_64 system that uses about 25 Watts idle with an AMD X2 4850e CPU (2x 2.5 GHz) and an nForce 630a chipset.
Unfortunately that CPU isn't easily available anymore but as far as I know, AMD has only recently released a successor.My 4850e system uses about 40 Watts idle but that includes:- 2 spinning 3,5" hard drives- Onboard gigabit ethernet- 100 MBit/s PCI ethernet card- WiFi PCI cardThe power supply is a relatively cheap one from BeQuiet with 80\%+ efficiency.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866383</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1256501400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Definitely get the dev kit, has an SD card slot and serial USB port</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah, those are much better than parallel USB ports.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely get the dev kit , has an SD card slot and serial USB portYeah , those are much better than parallel USB ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely get the dev kit, has an SD card slot and serial USB portYeah, those are much better than parallel USB ports.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865783</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865627</id>
	<title>fit-pc2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just bought a <a href="http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main\_Page" title="fit-pc2.com" rel="nofollow">fit-PC2</a> [fit-pc2.com] (linux) with semi-intentions to do what you're wanting to do.
It's pretty nice, I've been booting from USB into fedora 11 but haven't got the poulsbo chipset video working, yet.
Of all the gadgets I have fooled with (not a large number) this one installs 'normal' linux distros much better, except for the video driver (google poulsbo).
It draws 8w max when it's bttw and you can get one for just over US$300 at amazon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just bought a fit-PC2 [ fit-pc2.com ] ( linux ) with semi-intentions to do what you 're wanting to do .
It 's pretty nice , I 've been booting from USB into fedora 11 but have n't got the poulsbo chipset video working , yet .
Of all the gadgets I have fooled with ( not a large number ) this one installs 'normal ' linux distros much better , except for the video driver ( google poulsbo ) .
It draws 8w max when it 's bttw and you can get one for just over US $ 300 at amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just bought a fit-PC2 [fit-pc2.com] (linux) with semi-intentions to do what you're wanting to do.
It's pretty nice, I've been booting from USB into fedora 11 but haven't got the poulsbo chipset video working, yet.
Of all the gadgets I have fooled with (not a large number) this one installs 'normal' linux distros much better, except for the video driver (google poulsbo).
It draws 8w max when it's bttw and you can get one for just over US$300 at amazon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870945</id>
	<title>sheeva plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256562300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp" title="marvell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</a> [marvell.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [ marvell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp [marvell.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865547</id>
	<title>Charity For Free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.charityforfree.com/" title="charityforfree.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.charityforfree.com/</a> [charityforfree.com] - Please help poor children around the world. Donate by completing a simple survey which generates money for charity! It costs you NOTHING! Only a little bit of your time! Thanks for help.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.charityforfree.com/ [ charityforfree.com ] - Please help poor children around the world .
Donate by completing a simple survey which generates money for charity !
It costs you NOTHING !
Only a little bit of your time !
Thanks for help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.charityforfree.com/ [charityforfree.com] - Please help poor children around the world.
Donate by completing a simple survey which generates money for charity!
It costs you NOTHING!
Only a little bit of your time!
Thanks for help.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29891609</id>
	<title>FRITZBOX</title>
	<author>yooy</author>
	<datestamp>1256649120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Use the Fritzbox <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRITZ!Box" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRITZ!Box</a> [wikipedia.org]
with this hack <a href="http://trac.freetz.org/" title="freetz.org" rel="nofollow">http://trac.freetz.org/</a> [freetz.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use the Fritzbox http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRITZ ! Box [ wikipedia.org ] with this hack http : //trac.freetz.org/ [ freetz.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Use the Fritzbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRITZ!Box [wikipedia.org]
with this hack http://trac.freetz.org/ [freetz.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866341</id>
	<title>What about hardware consolidation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you considered using Xen, using dom0 for your desktop and then running your server in a domU?</p><p>Or do you turn your desktop off when not in use to save power?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you considered using Xen , using dom0 for your desktop and then running your server in a domU ? Or do you turn your desktop off when not in use to save power ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you considered using Xen, using dom0 for your desktop and then running your server in a domU?Or do you turn your desktop off when not in use to save power?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869713</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>fnj</author>
	<datestamp>1256587320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) As others have noted, the Mini won't come ANYWHERE NEAR this much power in this kind of use.  Figure on 20 watts, 30 at the utmost.</p><p>2) I have run tests with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1256540330&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">Kill-a-Watt</a> [amazon.com] on various speedstep capable systems, in every case finding that when idle, whether it is running at max or min clock makes next to no difference at all!  Linux will very effectively use C states and will be halted almost all the time in this kind of service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) As others have noted , the Mini wo n't come ANYWHERE NEAR this much power in this kind of use .
Figure on 20 watts , 30 at the utmost.2 ) I have run tests with a Kill-a-Watt [ amazon.com ] on various speedstep capable systems , in every case finding that when idle , whether it is running at max or min clock makes next to no difference at all !
Linux will very effectively use C states and will be halted almost all the time in this kind of service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) As others have noted, the Mini won't come ANYWHERE NEAR this much power in this kind of use.
Figure on 20 watts, 30 at the utmost.2) I have run tests with a Kill-a-Watt [amazon.com] on various speedstep capable systems, in every case finding that when idle, whether it is running at max or min clock makes next to no difference at all!
Linux will very effectively use C states and will be halted almost all the time in this kind of service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29941651</id>
	<title>find an old PC with a PIII</title>
	<author>datadefender</author>
	<datestamp>1257091140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use an old PC with a PIII at 900Mhz. Added a SATA controller and a 500GB SATA Disk. The thing runs OpenSuse 10.3 since 2 years 24/7 and I measure a constant power consumption of 35 Watts. It runs a LAMP stack + Samba. We are very happy with this configuration</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use an old PC with a PIII at 900Mhz .
Added a SATA controller and a 500GB SATA Disk .
The thing runs OpenSuse 10.3 since 2 years 24/7 and I measure a constant power consumption of 35 Watts .
It runs a LAMP stack + Samba .
We are very happy with this configuration</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use an old PC with a PIII at 900Mhz.
Added a SATA controller and a 500GB SATA Disk.
The thing runs OpenSuse 10.3 since 2 years 24/7 and I measure a constant power consumption of 35 Watts.
It runs a LAMP stack + Samba.
We are very happy with this configuration</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866923</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Tjp($)pjT</author>
	<datestamp>1256462940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>At idle I get about 12 watts to 14 watts (PPC vs Intel) for mac mini's on our APC monitored power controller. We watch closely as we only have a 2KW budget for the rack with all the equipment considered. Peak I have seen about 40 from a PPC and 65 or so from an Intel</htmltext>
<tokenext>At idle I get about 12 watts to 14 watts ( PPC vs Intel ) for mac mini 's on our APC monitored power controller .
We watch closely as we only have a 2KW budget for the rack with all the equipment considered .
Peak I have seen about 40 from a PPC and 65 or so from an Intel</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At idle I get about 12 watts to 14 watts (PPC vs Intel) for mac mini's on our APC monitored power controller.
We watch closely as we only have a 2KW budget for the rack with all the equipment considered.
Peak I have seen about 40 from a PPC and 65 or so from an Intel</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870581</id>
	<title>70 Bucks!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256556660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hell, I spend less than that almost every Friday night of the year, you poor bastard you. That's fucking less than 20 cents a day...are you an English teacher or something?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I spend less than that almost every Friday night of the year , you poor bastard you .
That 's fucking less than 20 cents a day...are you an English teacher or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I spend less than that almost every Friday night of the year, you poor bastard you.
That's fucking less than 20 cents a day...are you an English teacher or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865505</id>
	<title>scrounge an old laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have said use a linksys router or an old pda, but when you say apache/NFS it sounds like you want a hard disk.  If the amount of data is less than a few GB you can of course use a flash card instead.  Hmm, in that case a PDA may be enough.  Or a gumstix board (gumstix.com) or beagle board (www.beagleboard.org) if you want to get a bit fancy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have said use a linksys router or an old pda , but when you say apache/NFS it sounds like you want a hard disk .
If the amount of data is less than a few GB you can of course use a flash card instead .
Hmm , in that case a PDA may be enough .
Or a gumstix board ( gumstix.com ) or beagle board ( www.beagleboard.org ) if you want to get a bit fancy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have said use a linksys router or an old pda, but when you say apache/NFS it sounds like you want a hard disk.
If the amount of data is less than a few GB you can of course use a flash card instead.
Hmm, in that case a PDA may be enough.
Or a gumstix board (gumstix.com) or beagle board (www.beagleboard.org) if you want to get a bit fancy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865777</id>
	<title>New Intel D945GSEJT &amp; PC Engine Alix!!!</title>
	<author>niko9</author>
	<datestamp>1256496960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel just released the D945GSEJT Atom board. This is not the same boards that used to older 945 chipsets. The older boards needed a fan on the chipset for it sucked up almost 20 watts!! The new board is mini-itx so it should fit in just about any case and runs on a single 12 volt coaxial plug so no need for a buly ATX PSU.</p><p>A nice review here: <a href="http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610" title="silentpcreview.com">http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610</a> [silentpcreview.com]</p><p>I also use, and am a big fan of the PC Engines Alix boards: <a href="http://www.pcengines.ch/" title="pcengines.ch">http://www.pcengines.ch/</a> [pcengines.ch] You have several board styles to choose from. You can install Voyage Linux (Debian based and keep APT!!) on a compact flash with a simple installation (specifically for ALIX) script: <a href="http://linux.voyage.hk/" title="voyage.hk">http://linux.voyage.hk/</a> [voyage.hk]</p><p>My alix, which I use as a USB music server, draws a measly 3 watts (Kill-A-Watt meter) when playing FLAC files. You can attach a low power USB hard disk for added storage if you want to run NFS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel just released the D945GSEJT Atom board .
This is not the same boards that used to older 945 chipsets .
The older boards needed a fan on the chipset for it sucked up almost 20 watts ! !
The new board is mini-itx so it should fit in just about any case and runs on a single 12 volt coaxial plug so no need for a buly ATX PSU.A nice review here : http : //www.silentpcreview.com/Intel \ _D945GSEJT \ _with \ _Morex \ _T1610 [ silentpcreview.com ] I also use , and am a big fan of the PC Engines Alix boards : http : //www.pcengines.ch/ [ pcengines.ch ] You have several board styles to choose from .
You can install Voyage Linux ( Debian based and keep APT ! !
) on a compact flash with a simple installation ( specifically for ALIX ) script : http : //linux.voyage.hk/ [ voyage.hk ] My alix , which I use as a USB music server , draws a measly 3 watts ( Kill-A-Watt meter ) when playing FLAC files .
You can attach a low power USB hard disk for added storage if you want to run NFS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel just released the D945GSEJT Atom board.
This is not the same boards that used to older 945 chipsets.
The older boards needed a fan on the chipset for it sucked up almost 20 watts!!
The new board is mini-itx so it should fit in just about any case and runs on a single 12 volt coaxial plug so no need for a buly ATX PSU.A nice review here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610 [silentpcreview.com]I also use, and am a big fan of the PC Engines Alix boards: http://www.pcengines.ch/ [pcengines.ch] You have several board styles to choose from.
You can install Voyage Linux (Debian based and keep APT!!
) on a compact flash with a simple installation (specifically for ALIX) script: http://linux.voyage.hk/ [voyage.hk]My alix, which I use as a USB music server, draws a measly 3 watts (Kill-A-Watt meter) when playing FLAC files.
You can attach a low power USB hard disk for added storage if you want to run NFS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866973</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>madbavarian</author>
	<datestamp>1256463420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second the laptop idea.  My athlon-64 laptop running 64-bit linux sitting around lightly loaded takes about 15 watts as measured by the "kill-a-watt" power meter.  I've often thought it would make more sense to run it as the server and save ~$200/year.</p><p>Watts<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 47    compaq dv5000z laptop (bios, booting)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 22    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, yum update, login screen, 1Ghz w. ath0 ubiquiti card)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 18    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, idle, login screen, 1Ghz, ath0 ubiquiti card)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 15    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, idle, login screen, 1Ghz, screen blanked, ath0 ubiquiti card)</p><p>(Yes, these measurements are from many years ago.  I expect similar or slightly better numbers for fedora-11/12.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second the laptop idea .
My athlon-64 laptop running 64-bit linux sitting around lightly loaded takes about 15 watts as measured by the " kill-a-watt " power meter .
I 've often thought it would make more sense to run it as the server and save ~ $ 200/year.Watts     47 compaq dv5000z laptop ( bios , booting )     22 compaq dv5000z laptop ( fc5 , yum update , login screen , 1Ghz w. ath0 ubiquiti card )     18 compaq dv5000z laptop ( fc5 , idle , login screen , 1Ghz , ath0 ubiquiti card )     15 compaq dv5000z laptop ( fc5 , idle , login screen , 1Ghz , screen blanked , ath0 ubiquiti card ) ( Yes , these measurements are from many years ago .
I expect similar or slightly better numbers for fedora-11/12 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second the laptop idea.
My athlon-64 laptop running 64-bit linux sitting around lightly loaded takes about 15 watts as measured by the "kill-a-watt" power meter.
I've often thought it would make more sense to run it as the server and save ~$200/year.Watts
    47    compaq dv5000z laptop (bios, booting)
    22    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, yum update, login screen, 1Ghz w. ath0 ubiquiti card)
    18    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, idle, login screen, 1Ghz, ath0 ubiquiti card)
    15    compaq dv5000z laptop (fc5, idle, login screen, 1Ghz, screen blanked, ath0 ubiquiti card)(Yes, these measurements are from many years ago.
I expect similar or slightly better numbers for fedora-11/12.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874995</id>
	<title>Re:Not what I intended, but works well as a server</title>
	<author>columbus</author>
	<datestamp>1256584140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Second this.</p><p>I picked up a 500GB Worldbook off of e-bay for $70 USD.  I installed Debian on it, and yes, it's a pain.  I had to disassemble the device, remove the hard drive &amp; plug it in to another computer.</p><p>But your requirements are pretty modest.  You could get what you want without doing a full OS reinstall.There is a small hacking community centered around this device<br><a href="http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ssh-enable" title="wikidot.com" rel="nofollow">http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ssh-enable</a> [wikidot.com]</p><p>Getting an ssh server up and running is pretty easy.  Getting nfs up and running is marked as 'difficult' but I didn't find it that hard.  You can get a webserver up and running pretty easy (but it's lighthttpd instead of apache).  imap isn't a stock install, but you can get it after enabling some repositories for gumstix (which are compatible)<br><a href="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Gumstix" title="nslu2-linux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Gumstix</a> [nslu2-linux.org]</p><p>You could do all of this without overwriting any of the stock western digital software.  No disassembly.  No soldering.  No repartitioning.  No messing around with the bootloader.  All software hacking.  Everything over the ethernet port.  This is the approach I'd recommend.</p><p>It's nice and compact and it runs at about 15W.</p><p>ps.  Note that there is a performance boost to be had in wiping the disk and installing Debian.  The software that western digital puts in there is pretty crappy.  There are some MioNet java and perl processes that usually eat up about 30\% of your system resources.  A clean Debian install runs much faster.  But hey, it's only got 32MB of Ram, so it's never going to run that fast anyway</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Second this.I picked up a 500GB Worldbook off of e-bay for $ 70 USD .
I installed Debian on it , and yes , it 's a pain .
I had to disassemble the device , remove the hard drive &amp; plug it in to another computer.But your requirements are pretty modest .
You could get what you want without doing a full OS reinstall.There is a small hacking community centered around this devicehttp : //mybookworld.wikidot.com/ssh-enable [ wikidot.com ] Getting an ssh server up and running is pretty easy .
Getting nfs up and running is marked as 'difficult ' but I did n't find it that hard .
You can get a webserver up and running pretty easy ( but it 's lighthttpd instead of apache ) .
imap is n't a stock install , but you can get it after enabling some repositories for gumstix ( which are compatible ) http : //www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Gumstix [ nslu2-linux.org ] You could do all of this without overwriting any of the stock western digital software .
No disassembly .
No soldering .
No repartitioning .
No messing around with the bootloader .
All software hacking .
Everything over the ethernet port .
This is the approach I 'd recommend.It 's nice and compact and it runs at about 15W.ps .
Note that there is a performance boost to be had in wiping the disk and installing Debian .
The software that western digital puts in there is pretty crappy .
There are some MioNet java and perl processes that usually eat up about 30 \ % of your system resources .
A clean Debian install runs much faster .
But hey , it 's only got 32MB of Ram , so it 's never going to run that fast anyway</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second this.I picked up a 500GB Worldbook off of e-bay for $70 USD.
I installed Debian on it, and yes, it's a pain.
I had to disassemble the device, remove the hard drive &amp; plug it in to another computer.But your requirements are pretty modest.
You could get what you want without doing a full OS reinstall.There is a small hacking community centered around this devicehttp://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ssh-enable [wikidot.com]Getting an ssh server up and running is pretty easy.
Getting nfs up and running is marked as 'difficult' but I didn't find it that hard.
You can get a webserver up and running pretty easy (but it's lighthttpd instead of apache).
imap isn't a stock install, but you can get it after enabling some repositories for gumstix (which are compatible)http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Gumstix [nslu2-linux.org]You could do all of this without overwriting any of the stock western digital software.
No disassembly.
No soldering.
No repartitioning.
No messing around with the bootloader.
All software hacking.
Everything over the ethernet port.
This is the approach I'd recommend.It's nice and compact and it runs at about 15W.ps.
Note that there is a performance boost to be had in wiping the disk and installing Debian.
The software that western digital puts in there is pretty crappy.
There are some MioNet java and perl processes that usually eat up about 30\% of your system resources.
A clean Debian install runs much faster.
But hey, it's only got 32MB of Ram, so it's never going to run that fast anyway</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868725</id>
	<title>11 Watts idle, 18 on full load</title>
	<author>jeremybar</author>
	<datestamp>1256486100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I built the following, I measured 11 watts during idle, 18 on full load. -- Case: Antec IS 300-65 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case -- Motherboard: JetWay JNF94-270-LF Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz Intel 945GSE Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo -- RAM: G.SKILL 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory Model F2-4200CL4S-2GBSQ -- $267.97 on New Egg.  Used an existing PCI Ethernet board and hard drive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I built the following , I measured 11 watts during idle , 18 on full load .
-- Case : Antec IS 300-65 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case -- Motherboard : JetWay JNF94-270-LF Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz Intel 945GSE Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo -- RAM : G.SKILL 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 ( PC2 4200 ) Laptop Memory Model F2-4200CL4S-2GBSQ -- $ 267.97 on New Egg .
Used an existing PCI Ethernet board and hard drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built the following, I measured 11 watts during idle, 18 on full load.
-- Case: Antec IS 300-65 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case -- Motherboard: JetWay JNF94-270-LF Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz Intel 945GSE Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo -- RAM: G.SKILL 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory Model F2-4200CL4S-2GBSQ -- $267.97 on New Egg.
Used an existing PCI Ethernet board and hard drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868159</id>
	<title>EFIKA-MX</title>
	<author>dammy</author>
	<datestamp>1256478300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>EFIKA-MX Dev is currently out at $249  <a href="http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika" title="genesi-usa.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika</a> [genesi-usa.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>EFIKA-MX Dev is currently out at $ 249 http : //www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika [ genesi-usa.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EFIKA-MX Dev is currently out at $249  http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika [genesi-usa.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865617</id>
	<title>Technologic Systems' ts-7800</title>
	<author>erikscott</author>
	<datestamp>1256495640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using a TS-7800 from <a href="http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800" title="embeddedarm.com" rel="nofollow">Technologic Systems</a> [embeddedarm.com] for a few months, running it off of solar panels.  It draws 4 watts and has half a gig of flash on board and an SD card socket.  It runs cool without even so much as a heatsink, let alone a fan.  Gig-E, 10 serial ports, 6 A/D, more digital I/O than I could even use, and USB.  Runs Debian.  Buy the development kit - the slight extra cost is worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using a TS-7800 from Technologic Systems [ embeddedarm.com ] for a few months , running it off of solar panels .
It draws 4 watts and has half a gig of flash on board and an SD card socket .
It runs cool without even so much as a heatsink , let alone a fan .
Gig-E , 10 serial ports , 6 A/D , more digital I/O than I could even use , and USB .
Runs Debian .
Buy the development kit - the slight extra cost is worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using a TS-7800 from Technologic Systems [embeddedarm.com] for a few months, running it off of solar panels.
It draws 4 watts and has half a gig of flash on board and an SD card socket.
It runs cool without even so much as a heatsink, let alone a fan.
Gig-E, 10 serial ports, 6 A/D, more digital I/O than I could even use, and USB.
Runs Debian.
Buy the development kit - the slight extra cost is worth it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865453</id>
	<title>Marvell Sheevaplug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been thinking of getting one of these for similar purposes:

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug</a> [wikipedia.org]

You'll probably need to hook up an USB drive, and what not, but still seems intriguing. They claim 2.3W idle power consumption, with no attached devices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been thinking of getting one of these for similar purposes : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug [ wikipedia.org ] You 'll probably need to hook up an USB drive , and what not , but still seems intriguing .
They claim 2.3W idle power consumption , with no attached devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been thinking of getting one of these for similar purposes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug [wikipedia.org]

You'll probably need to hook up an USB drive, and what not, but still seems intriguing.
They claim 2.3W idle power consumption, with no attached devices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866319</id>
	<title>ASUS Eee Box PC B202</title>
	<author>pradeepsekar</author>
	<datestamp>1256500680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ASUS Eee Box PC B202 runs Ubuntu Server like a dream. Have configured it as a PDC for my Windows Boxes, and trying to get Free Radius working for my Wifi network. Have got BIND, Squid running to provide the caching I need. Have not got started with the filtering, but thats the next stop after Free Radius. And VPN so that I can get back into home when I am travelling. Syslogd will also be nice to log my Internet Traffic. But that would be all I require. (My backups are on a DNS 323, so I dont plan messing with it. Anyway, this Eee box has only 160GB, hardly enough for the task at hand)

It sits as a headless box in a corner and I just SSH in when I need it. Pretty, and pretty impressive for the small box it is. Atom N270, 1GB RAM is enough for what I do - CPU hardly ever spikes beyond 10-15\%, and RAM is more like 25\% peak that I have seen when I am logged in and swap does not really get touched.

I have only one wish - a distro where all this is preconfigured or works out of the box...</htmltext>
<tokenext>ASUS Eee Box PC B202 runs Ubuntu Server like a dream .
Have configured it as a PDC for my Windows Boxes , and trying to get Free Radius working for my Wifi network .
Have got BIND , Squid running to provide the caching I need .
Have not got started with the filtering , but thats the next stop after Free Radius .
And VPN so that I can get back into home when I am travelling .
Syslogd will also be nice to log my Internet Traffic .
But that would be all I require .
( My backups are on a DNS 323 , so I dont plan messing with it .
Anyway , this Eee box has only 160GB , hardly enough for the task at hand ) It sits as a headless box in a corner and I just SSH in when I need it .
Pretty , and pretty impressive for the small box it is .
Atom N270 , 1GB RAM is enough for what I do - CPU hardly ever spikes beyond 10-15 \ % , and RAM is more like 25 \ % peak that I have seen when I am logged in and swap does not really get touched .
I have only one wish - a distro where all this is preconfigured or works out of the box.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASUS Eee Box PC B202 runs Ubuntu Server like a dream.
Have configured it as a PDC for my Windows Boxes, and trying to get Free Radius working for my Wifi network.
Have got BIND, Squid running to provide the caching I need.
Have not got started with the filtering, but thats the next stop after Free Radius.
And VPN so that I can get back into home when I am travelling.
Syslogd will also be nice to log my Internet Traffic.
But that would be all I require.
(My backups are on a DNS 323, so I dont plan messing with it.
Anyway, this Eee box has only 160GB, hardly enough for the task at hand)

It sits as a headless box in a corner and I just SSH in when I need it.
Pretty, and pretty impressive for the small box it is.
Atom N270, 1GB RAM is enough for what I do - CPU hardly ever spikes beyond 10-15\%, and RAM is more like 25\% peak that I have seen when I am logged in and swap does not really get touched.
I have only one wish - a distro where all this is preconfigured or works out of the box...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865693</id>
	<title>Back to individual components</title>
	<author>fgaliegue</author>
	<datestamp>1256496180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* you want lots of RAM (high buffer cache);<br>* you want a CPU with good cpufreq support (any ACPI-compliant CPU will do);<br>* you want SSD (yes, they're expensive, but the cost of a simple seek is far less than rotating platter disks, and in case your machine just wakes up, SSD has close to zero seek time);<br>* you want a kernel compiled with "ondemand" CPU frequency governor as the default;<br>* you DO NOT want "drowsy ACPI states" (sure, it saves power, but you want to SSH in: if the machine's not there, what's the point? WOL won't help, that's my experience with it - either the machine is constantly up or it's down long enough before it answers that it turns out highly frustrating);<br>* you want a hardware router in front of your machine, with packet filtering ability (this router will do preliminary packet filtering before said packets even reach your machine - and see above).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* you want lots of RAM ( high buffer cache ) ; * you want a CPU with good cpufreq support ( any ACPI-compliant CPU will do ) ; * you want SSD ( yes , they 're expensive , but the cost of a simple seek is far less than rotating platter disks , and in case your machine just wakes up , SSD has close to zero seek time ) ; * you want a kernel compiled with " ondemand " CPU frequency governor as the default ; * you DO NOT want " drowsy ACPI states " ( sure , it saves power , but you want to SSH in : if the machine 's not there , what 's the point ?
WOL wo n't help , that 's my experience with it - either the machine is constantly up or it 's down long enough before it answers that it turns out highly frustrating ) ; * you want a hardware router in front of your machine , with packet filtering ability ( this router will do preliminary packet filtering before said packets even reach your machine - and see above ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* you want lots of RAM (high buffer cache);* you want a CPU with good cpufreq support (any ACPI-compliant CPU will do);* you want SSD (yes, they're expensive, but the cost of a simple seek is far less than rotating platter disks, and in case your machine just wakes up, SSD has close to zero seek time);* you want a kernel compiled with "ondemand" CPU frequency governor as the default;* you DO NOT want "drowsy ACPI states" (sure, it saves power, but you want to SSH in: if the machine's not there, what's the point?
WOL won't help, that's my experience with it - either the machine is constantly up or it's down long enough before it answers that it turns out highly frustrating);* you want a hardware router in front of your machine, with packet filtering ability (this router will do preliminary packet filtering before said packets even reach your machine - and see above).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866755</id>
	<title>Linksys NSLU2</title>
	<author>sprintkayak</author>
	<datestamp>1256461320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Linksys NSLU2 is a home file server which uses USB disks and can be easily flashed with a couple different linux versions. I ran mine with 4 disks in RAID5 and SAMBA, but I'm pretty sure Apache was available as well. It's not very fast and I think the ethernet is 10 base, but it was really easy to set up and I found it reliable.<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Storage-Link-Drives-NSLU2/dp/B0001FSCZO/" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Storage-Link-Drives-NSLU2/dp/B0001FSCZO/</a> [amazon.com]<br><a href="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/" title="nslu2-linux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/</a> [nslu2-linux.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Linksys NSLU2 is a home file server which uses USB disks and can be easily flashed with a couple different linux versions .
I ran mine with 4 disks in RAID5 and SAMBA , but I 'm pretty sure Apache was available as well .
It 's not very fast and I think the ethernet is 10 base , but it was really easy to set up and I found it reliable.http : //www.amazon.com/Linksys-Storage-Link-Drives-NSLU2/dp/B0001FSCZO/ [ amazon.com ] http : //www.nslu2-linux.org/ [ nslu2-linux.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Linksys NSLU2 is a home file server which uses USB disks and can be easily flashed with a couple different linux versions.
I ran mine with 4 disks in RAID5 and SAMBA, but I'm pretty sure Apache was available as well.
It's not very fast and I think the ethernet is 10 base, but it was really easy to set up and I found it reliable.http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Storage-Link-Drives-NSLU2/dp/B0001FSCZO/ [amazon.com]http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ [nslu2-linux.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865563</id>
	<title>Smallest Linux server</title>
	<author>chx1975</author>
	<datestamp>1256495220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yoggie  Open Firewall SOHO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yoggie Open Firewall SOHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yoggie  Open Firewall SOHO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29904563</id>
	<title>Wrong Part #</title>
	<author>ErikTheRed</author>
	<datestamp>1256735520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoops - it's a SuperServer 5015A-H (see <a href="http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.cfm?typ=H" title="supermicro.com">http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.cfm?typ=H</a> [supermicro.com]). Stupid me didn't copy/paste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoops - it 's a SuperServer 5015A-H ( see http : //www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.cfm ? typ = H [ supermicro.com ] ) .
Stupid me did n't copy/paste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoops - it's a SuperServer 5015A-H (see http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.cfm?typ=H [supermicro.com]).
Stupid me didn't copy/paste.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867333</id>
	<title>MSI Wind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256467860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This gets you close. It's the same setup I have:</p><p>* MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Barebone ($135)<br>* Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB ($85)<br>* Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 ($45)<br>* SanDisk Extreme III 8GB Compact Flash ($55)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This gets you close .
It 's the same setup I have : * MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Barebone ( $ 135 ) * Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB ( $ 85 ) * Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 ( $ 45 ) * SanDisk Extreme III 8GB Compact Flash ( $ 55 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This gets you close.
It's the same setup I have:* MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Barebone ($135)* Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB ($85)* Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 ($45)* SanDisk Extreme III 8GB Compact Flash ($55)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865857</id>
	<title>Not what I intended, but works well as a server</title>
	<author>mattbee</author>
	<datestamp>1256497440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a Western Digital MyBook network drive which is basically a little ARM board with 32MB memory.  It is intended just to serve up some windows shares over a network.  But you can run a simple program to enable ssh access, install a package manager and start installing other software on it - mine runs a few cron jobs to download files, as well as being a print server through its spare USB port.  I'm not sure how far it could be pushed given how little memory it has, but I'm sure a bit of email &amp; NFS wouldn't be beyond it if you're not fussy about speed.</p><p>Power and cost were only a bit more than the drive itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a Western Digital MyBook network drive which is basically a little ARM board with 32MB memory .
It is intended just to serve up some windows shares over a network .
But you can run a simple program to enable ssh access , install a package manager and start installing other software on it - mine runs a few cron jobs to download files , as well as being a print server through its spare USB port .
I 'm not sure how far it could be pushed given how little memory it has , but I 'm sure a bit of email &amp; NFS would n't be beyond it if you 're not fussy about speed.Power and cost were only a bit more than the drive itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a Western Digital MyBook network drive which is basically a little ARM board with 32MB memory.
It is intended just to serve up some windows shares over a network.
But you can run a simple program to enable ssh access, install a package manager and start installing other software on it - mine runs a few cron jobs to download files, as well as being a print server through its spare USB port.
I'm not sure how far it could be pushed given how little memory it has, but I'm sure a bit of email &amp; NFS wouldn't be beyond it if you're not fussy about speed.Power and cost were only a bit more than the drive itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865487</id>
	<title>nettop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got worried about this about a year ago.  So, I bought one of those MSI wind nettop barebones systems.  They are based on the Intel Atom, so it is fairly low power. I picked the single-core model in order to reduce power usage.  Then I bought a pen drive and a compact flash card and an SDHC card.  I put the compact flash card on the connector on the motherboard.  This puts it on the IDE channel.  I put the SDHC card into the SDHC reader on the front panel of the machine.  I put the pen drive on a USB port.  I set up a 3-way striped software raid situation and ended up with a relatively cheap, relatively fast 32 GB partition.  I think that probably saved a bit of energy over installing a hard drive.  It runs Linux and is pretty quick and I think pretty low power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got worried about this about a year ago .
So , I bought one of those MSI wind nettop barebones systems .
They are based on the Intel Atom , so it is fairly low power .
I picked the single-core model in order to reduce power usage .
Then I bought a pen drive and a compact flash card and an SDHC card .
I put the compact flash card on the connector on the motherboard .
This puts it on the IDE channel .
I put the SDHC card into the SDHC reader on the front panel of the machine .
I put the pen drive on a USB port .
I set up a 3-way striped software raid situation and ended up with a relatively cheap , relatively fast 32 GB partition .
I think that probably saved a bit of energy over installing a hard drive .
It runs Linux and is pretty quick and I think pretty low power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got worried about this about a year ago.
So, I bought one of those MSI wind nettop barebones systems.
They are based on the Intel Atom, so it is fairly low power.
I picked the single-core model in order to reduce power usage.
Then I bought a pen drive and a compact flash card and an SDHC card.
I put the compact flash card on the connector on the motherboard.
This puts it on the IDE channel.
I put the SDHC card into the SDHC reader on the front panel of the machine.
I put the pen drive on a USB port.
I set up a 3-way striped software raid situation and ended up with a relatively cheap, relatively fast 32 GB partition.
I think that probably saved a bit of energy over installing a hard drive.
It runs Linux and is pretty quick and I think pretty low power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29900853</id>
	<title>I had the same thought; this is what i bought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256759220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My system runs at less than 30 W with a Gigabyte GA-230D board (Atom chipset), WD 500 GB Green, 2 GB RAM, Advance PC ITX 3903B chassis. It finally ended up costing a bit more than $300, probably $350.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My system runs at less than 30 W with a Gigabyte GA-230D board ( Atom chipset ) , WD 500 GB Green , 2 GB RAM , Advance PC ITX 3903B chassis .
It finally ended up costing a bit more than $ 300 , probably $ 350 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My system runs at less than 30 W with a Gigabyte GA-230D board (Atom chipset), WD 500 GB Green, 2 GB RAM, Advance PC ITX 3903B chassis.
It finally ended up costing a bit more than $300, probably $350.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866549</id>
	<title>Mac Mini makes a great low-power server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts</p><p>On the contrary, my 2009 Mac Mini C2D draws 15 W idle and 30 W playing HD content as measured by a Kill-A-Watt. The Shuttle X27D I have at work with an Atom 330 draws 30 W doing absolutely nothing. If you remove the optical drive and install a second hard disk, the Mac Mini makes a fantastic low-power server. You can get a refurbished Mac Mini and save some coin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; A Mac Mini draws about 85 WattsOn the contrary , my 2009 Mac Mini C2D draws 15 W idle and 30 W playing HD content as measured by a Kill-A-Watt .
The Shuttle X27D I have at work with an Atom 330 draws 30 W doing absolutely nothing .
If you remove the optical drive and install a second hard disk , the Mac Mini makes a fantastic low-power server .
You can get a refurbished Mac Mini and save some coin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;A Mac Mini draws about 85 WattsOn the contrary, my 2009 Mac Mini C2D draws 15 W idle and 30 W playing HD content as measured by a Kill-A-Watt.
The Shuttle X27D I have at work with an Atom 330 draws 30 W doing absolutely nothing.
If you remove the optical drive and install a second hard disk, the Mac Mini makes a fantastic low-power server.
You can get a refurbished Mac Mini and save some coin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867259</id>
	<title>Does Linux support Apple's IP passing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256466900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Linux supports the IP passing protocol Apple added in Snow Leopard, and you are willing to get an Apple router, that could save quite a bit of power.</p><p>Basically, the way it works is that when a machine goes to sleep, it can pass its IP address to the router. If anyone tries to connect to that IP address, the router wakes the sleeping server, passes back the IP address, and the server can process the request.</p><p>This should be great for a home server, allowing the server to spend most of its time asleep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Linux supports the IP passing protocol Apple added in Snow Leopard , and you are willing to get an Apple router , that could save quite a bit of power.Basically , the way it works is that when a machine goes to sleep , it can pass its IP address to the router .
If anyone tries to connect to that IP address , the router wakes the sleeping server , passes back the IP address , and the server can process the request.This should be great for a home server , allowing the server to spend most of its time asleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Linux supports the IP passing protocol Apple added in Snow Leopard, and you are willing to get an Apple router, that could save quite a bit of power.Basically, the way it works is that when a machine goes to sleep, it can pass its IP address to the router.
If anyone tries to connect to that IP address, the router wakes the sleeping server, passes back the IP address, and the server can process the request.This should be great for a home server, allowing the server to spend most of its time asleep.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29880165</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256570220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy cow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy cow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy cow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866207</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866573</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>whosmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1256502960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also have a Sheeva plug; it has a drobo attached and is serving 2TB of nonsense over AFP, SMB, and NFS to my various devices.  It also runs openvpn (UDP port 53!) bind9 for recursion, and a couple other things.  It doesn't have much internal storage but it does have an SD card slot. I have a 2GB SD card mounted as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr which helps a lot with all the packages I have installed.  It comes with Ubuntu but you'll need to install another kernel or re-compile for NFS support unless the newer ones have already corrected this oversight.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also have a Sheeva plug ; it has a drobo attached and is serving 2TB of nonsense over AFP , SMB , and NFS to my various devices .
It also runs openvpn ( UDP port 53 !
) bind9 for recursion , and a couple other things .
It does n't have much internal storage but it does have an SD card slot .
I have a 2GB SD card mounted as /usr which helps a lot with all the packages I have installed .
It comes with Ubuntu but you 'll need to install another kernel or re-compile for NFS support unless the newer ones have already corrected this oversight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also have a Sheeva plug; it has a drobo attached and is serving 2TB of nonsense over AFP, SMB, and NFS to my various devices.
It also runs openvpn (UDP port 53!
) bind9 for recursion, and a couple other things.
It doesn't have much internal storage but it does have an SD card slot.
I have a 2GB SD card mounted as /usr which helps a lot with all the packages I have installed.
It comes with Ubuntu but you'll need to install another kernel or re-compile for NFS support unless the newer ones have already corrected this oversight.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866899</id>
	<title>try OpenSolaris</title>
	<author>toxygen01</author>
	<datestamp>1256462760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would recommend you OpenSolaris as ZFS can do compression on the fly what could save you some more bucks<br> (in terms of hw or electricity if you avoid buying bigger hdds) <br>
it does all you require and with one or two line commands to enable it.<br>
for me it was definitely way to go...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would recommend you OpenSolaris as ZFS can do compression on the fly what could save you some more bucks ( in terms of hw or electricity if you avoid buying bigger hdds ) it does all you require and with one or two line commands to enable it .
for me it was definitely way to go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would recommend you OpenSolaris as ZFS can do compression on the fly what could save you some more bucks (in terms of hw or electricity if you avoid buying bigger hdds) 
it does all you require and with one or two line commands to enable it.
for me it was definitely way to go...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865651</id>
	<title>Jetway w/ VIA</title>
	<author>wytcld</author>
	<datestamp>1256495880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Been running a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107055" title="newegg.com">Jetway VIA box</a> [newegg.com] for about six months in a home server role - just added ram, a big cheap HD, and Ubuntu. Installed the OS over the LAN with PXE. Works just fine so far. Meets your budget. Haven't tested actual power draw though. It's small, reasonably quiet - an internal fan for the CPU but the power supply is a fanless external brick. No Ubuntu compatibility hitches at all, so Debian should be fine too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Been running a Jetway VIA box [ newegg.com ] for about six months in a home server role - just added ram , a big cheap HD , and Ubuntu .
Installed the OS over the LAN with PXE .
Works just fine so far .
Meets your budget .
Have n't tested actual power draw though .
It 's small , reasonably quiet - an internal fan for the CPU but the power supply is a fanless external brick .
No Ubuntu compatibility hitches at all , so Debian should be fine too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been running a Jetway VIA box [newegg.com] for about six months in a home server role - just added ram, a big cheap HD, and Ubuntu.
Installed the OS over the LAN with PXE.
Works just fine so far.
Meets your budget.
Haven't tested actual power draw though.
It's small, reasonably quiet - an internal fan for the CPU but the power supply is a fanless external brick.
No Ubuntu compatibility hitches at all, so Debian should be fine too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867793</id>
	<title>cheap MIPS alternatives - Mikrotik and Ubiquity</title>
	<author>stabele</author>
	<datestamp>1256473800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are also cheap alternatives based on 680MHz MIPS CPU (all overclockable to 800MHz):
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.ubnt.com/products/rspro.php" title="ubnt.com" rel="nofollow">RouterStation Pro</a> [ubnt.com] - 128MB RAM,16MB flash,4xGb ethernet,USB 2.0
<br>
<a href="http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=52" title="routerboard.com" rel="nofollow">Mikrotik RoutBoard RB450G</a> [routerboard.com] - 256MB RAM,512MB Flash,microSD card slot,5x Gb ethernet (for hdd you can use some cheap Gb AoE box like <a href="http://www.xpcgear.com/me747gk.html" title="xpcgear.com" rel="nofollow">Welland</a> [xpcgear.com])
<br>
<a href="http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=37" title="routerboard.com" rel="nofollow">Mikrotik RoutBoard RB433AH</a> [routerboard.com] - 128RAM,64MB Flash,microSD card slot,3x 10/100 ethernet, 3x microPCI
<br>
<br>

All can run OpenWRT or Debian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are also cheap alternatives based on 680MHz MIPS CPU ( all overclockable to 800MHz ) : RouterStation Pro [ ubnt.com ] - 128MB RAM,16MB flash,4xGb ethernet,USB 2.0 Mikrotik RoutBoard RB450G [ routerboard.com ] - 256MB RAM,512MB Flash,microSD card slot,5x Gb ethernet ( for hdd you can use some cheap Gb AoE box like Welland [ xpcgear.com ] ) Mikrotik RoutBoard RB433AH [ routerboard.com ] - 128RAM,64MB Flash,microSD card slot,3x 10/100 ethernet , 3x microPCI All can run OpenWRT or Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are also cheap alternatives based on 680MHz MIPS CPU (all overclockable to 800MHz):


RouterStation Pro [ubnt.com] - 128MB RAM,16MB flash,4xGb ethernet,USB 2.0

Mikrotik RoutBoard RB450G [routerboard.com] - 256MB RAM,512MB Flash,microSD card slot,5x Gb ethernet (for hdd you can use some cheap Gb AoE box like Welland [xpcgear.com])

Mikrotik RoutBoard RB433AH [routerboard.com] - 128RAM,64MB Flash,microSD card slot,3x 10/100 ethernet, 3x microPCI



All can run OpenWRT or Debian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866517</id>
	<title>Get an Atom with gigabit ethernet!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up this: Intel BOXD945GCLF2 Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard</p><p>$80 + $10(1GBddr2 ) + hard drive + a case and psu you have around the house and there you go</p><p>Dual-Core atom with SMT, I use it for ssh, svn, ftp, dns cache, torrents, file server.  Also, *Gigabit Ethernet!!!*  I get 45MB/s on it, so I store all my music, videos, and torrents.</p><p>it's about 40 watts i think.  Ironically, the chipset puts out most of the heat because it's a shitty old 945, but still worth it IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up this : Intel BOXD945GCLF2 Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard $ 80 + $ 10 ( 1GBddr2 ) + hard drive + a case and psu you have around the house and there you goDual-Core atom with SMT , I use it for ssh , svn , ftp , dns cache , torrents , file server .
Also , * Gigabit Ethernet ! ! !
* I get 45MB/s on it , so I store all my music , videos , and torrents.it 's about 40 watts i think .
Ironically , the chipset puts out most of the heat because it 's a shitty old 945 , but still worth it IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up this: Intel BOXD945GCLF2 Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard$80 + $10(1GBddr2 ) + hard drive + a case and psu you have around the house and there you goDual-Core atom with SMT, I use it for ssh, svn, ftp, dns cache, torrents, file server.
Also, *Gigabit Ethernet!!!
*  I get 45MB/s on it, so I store all my music, videos, and torrents.it's about 40 watts i think.
Ironically, the chipset puts out most of the heat because it's a shitty old 945, but still worth it IMO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29882211</id>
	<title>Not saving much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256647800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, not that huge of a return on this unless your planning on running the machine for the next 100 years, with zero downtime and the cost of energy stays the same.</p><p>You'll only be saving $700 every 10 years. That being said, at $70 a year, 100 years of use would only save $7000</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , not that huge of a return on this unless your planning on running the machine for the next 100 years , with zero downtime and the cost of energy stays the same.You 'll only be saving $ 700 every 10 years .
That being said , at $ 70 a year , 100 years of use would only save $ 7000</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, not that huge of a return on this unless your planning on running the machine for the next 100 years, with zero downtime and the cost of energy stays the same.You'll only be saving $700 every 10 years.
That being said, at $70 a year, 100 years of use would only save $7000</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874243</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Phreakiture</author>
	<datestamp>1256580840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am extremely pleased with my LInux box.  I have an Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard, which is a Mini-ITX and comes pre-populated with an Atom 330 processor, 1.6GHz, Dual core.  My system ends up using around 43W (actually measured) when both cores are running full-out; 42W otherwise.  There is also a single-core version available on the D945GCLF motherboard, which uses an Atom 230 clocked at the same rate (1.6GHz).  I imagine that if I were to remove the optical drive and use a laptop HDD (or even a thumb drive) in place of the 3.5", 7200 RPM drive that I am using, that I could probably get that down into the 30ish watt range.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am extremely pleased with my LInux box .
I have an Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard , which is a Mini-ITX and comes pre-populated with an Atom 330 processor , 1.6GHz , Dual core .
My system ends up using around 43W ( actually measured ) when both cores are running full-out ; 42W otherwise .
There is also a single-core version available on the D945GCLF motherboard , which uses an Atom 230 clocked at the same rate ( 1.6GHz ) .
I imagine that if I were to remove the optical drive and use a laptop HDD ( or even a thumb drive ) in place of the 3.5 " , 7200 RPM drive that I am using , that I could probably get that down into the 30ish watt range .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am extremely pleased with my LInux box.
I have an Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard, which is a Mini-ITX and comes pre-populated with an Atom 330 processor, 1.6GHz, Dual core.
My system ends up using around 43W (actually measured) when both cores are running full-out; 42W otherwise.
There is also a single-core version available on the D945GCLF motherboard, which uses an Atom 230 clocked at the same rate (1.6GHz).
I imagine that if I were to remove the optical drive and use a laptop HDD (or even a thumb drive) in place of the 3.5", 7200 RPM drive that I am using, that I could probably get that down into the 30ish watt range.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866605</id>
	<title>SuperMicro 5015A-H</title>
	<author>ErikTheRed</author>
	<datestamp>1256503140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just put together a SuperMicro 5014A-H 1U server (dual-core 1.6GHz Intel Atom processor) with two 320GB 2.5" hard drives (in a RAID-1 configuration) and an 8-port Digium card (AEX800) for Asterisk use. Aside from the Digium card (which was inherited from another server), the total cost of parts including tax and delivery was under $500. The system runs Asterisk, Samba, Apache, PostFix, and Dovecot and does so consuming  (according to Kill-A-Watt) roughly 40 watts of power. It's also reasonably quiet and compact. The only downside is that the chassis was designed to hold one 3.5" HDD, and the adapter they sell for it makes it impossible to use anything larger than a half-height PCIe card, so mounting the two 2.5" drives required some drilling new mounting holes - no big deal, but something that should have been foreseen by SuperMicro.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just put together a SuperMicro 5014A-H 1U server ( dual-core 1.6GHz Intel Atom processor ) with two 320GB 2.5 " hard drives ( in a RAID-1 configuration ) and an 8-port Digium card ( AEX800 ) for Asterisk use .
Aside from the Digium card ( which was inherited from another server ) , the total cost of parts including tax and delivery was under $ 500 .
The system runs Asterisk , Samba , Apache , PostFix , and Dovecot and does so consuming ( according to Kill-A-Watt ) roughly 40 watts of power .
It 's also reasonably quiet and compact .
The only downside is that the chassis was designed to hold one 3.5 " HDD , and the adapter they sell for it makes it impossible to use anything larger than a half-height PCIe card , so mounting the two 2.5 " drives required some drilling new mounting holes - no big deal , but something that should have been foreseen by SuperMicro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just put together a SuperMicro 5014A-H 1U server (dual-core 1.6GHz Intel Atom processor) with two 320GB 2.5" hard drives (in a RAID-1 configuration) and an 8-port Digium card (AEX800) for Asterisk use.
Aside from the Digium card (which was inherited from another server), the total cost of parts including tax and delivery was under $500.
The system runs Asterisk, Samba, Apache, PostFix, and Dovecot and does so consuming  (according to Kill-A-Watt) roughly 40 watts of power.
It's also reasonably quiet and compact.
The only downside is that the chassis was designed to hold one 3.5" HDD, and the adapter they sell for it makes it impossible to use anything larger than a half-height PCIe card, so mounting the two 2.5" drives required some drilling new mounting holes - no big deal, but something that should have been foreseen by SuperMicro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866531</id>
	<title>Re:Via Epia 5000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also have one for 4 years - always on. My only "complaint" are the usb 1.1 ports - too slow for transfering video files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also have one for 4 years - always on .
My only " complaint " are the usb 1.1 ports - too slow for transfering video files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also have one for 4 years - always on.
My only "complaint" are the usb 1.1 ports - too slow for transfering video files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867881</id>
	<title>Synology Diskstation</title>
	<author>Andy0000</author>
	<datestamp>1256475000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS109+/spec.php" title="synology.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS109+/spec.php</a> [synology.com]

Check out the specs on this product. It takes up to a 2 tb sata hd, has mail, web, and runs php. It uses only 21w during use. I purchased the 409+ for its raid5 capability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.synology.com/us/products/DS109 + /spec.php [ synology.com ] Check out the specs on this product .
It takes up to a 2 tb sata hd , has mail , web , and runs php .
It uses only 21w during use .
I purchased the 409 + for its raid5 capability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.synology.com/us/products/DS109+/spec.php [synology.com]

Check out the specs on this product.
It takes up to a 2 tb sata hd, has mail, web, and runs php.
It uses only 21w during use.
I purchased the 409+ for its raid5 capability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865685</id>
	<title>Laptop or Equivalent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really cannot beat a laptop for the sub-30 watt range in terms of compute power and actual power consumption. The Mac Mini, as mentioned by many above, idles at about 12-13W (in my experience) and has about 4x the compute power of a dual core atom board, which idles at nearly twice as much. I can't say for sure, but being essentially a laptop shoved in a 6x6x3 box, I suspect you'd get similar power usage from (m)any other comparable systems.</p><p>It's really a question of how low you want to go. If 13W on average is not too high and you want the ability to spike to many times the amount of work that can be done at that wattage, a laptop/mini is the way to go. If you want consistent, seriously low power utilization with limited CPU power, you're going to need an ARM, Geode, or other embedded processor.</p><p>I spent quite a while looking into mini-itx boards, Atoms, VIA cpus, etc, and in the end found that a laptop or mini beats all of those options both in power consumption at idle and maximum potential performance. The only way you'll go lower is with something embedded, and then you're giving up much functionality, a large amount of performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really can not beat a laptop for the sub-30 watt range in terms of compute power and actual power consumption .
The Mac Mini , as mentioned by many above , idles at about 12-13W ( in my experience ) and has about 4x the compute power of a dual core atom board , which idles at nearly twice as much .
I ca n't say for sure , but being essentially a laptop shoved in a 6x6x3 box , I suspect you 'd get similar power usage from ( m ) any other comparable systems.It 's really a question of how low you want to go .
If 13W on average is not too high and you want the ability to spike to many times the amount of work that can be done at that wattage , a laptop/mini is the way to go .
If you want consistent , seriously low power utilization with limited CPU power , you 're going to need an ARM , Geode , or other embedded processor.I spent quite a while looking into mini-itx boards , Atoms , VIA cpus , etc , and in the end found that a laptop or mini beats all of those options both in power consumption at idle and maximum potential performance .
The only way you 'll go lower is with something embedded , and then you 're giving up much functionality , a large amount of performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really cannot beat a laptop for the sub-30 watt range in terms of compute power and actual power consumption.
The Mac Mini, as mentioned by many above, idles at about 12-13W (in my experience) and has about 4x the compute power of a dual core atom board, which idles at nearly twice as much.
I can't say for sure, but being essentially a laptop shoved in a 6x6x3 box, I suspect you'd get similar power usage from (m)any other comparable systems.It's really a question of how low you want to go.
If 13W on average is not too high and you want the ability to spike to many times the amount of work that can be done at that wattage, a laptop/mini is the way to go.
If you want consistent, seriously low power utilization with limited CPU power, you're going to need an ARM, Geode, or other embedded processor.I spent quite a while looking into mini-itx boards, Atoms, VIA cpus, etc, and in the end found that a laptop or mini beats all of those options both in power consumption at idle and maximum potential performance.
The only way you'll go lower is with something embedded, and then you're giving up much functionality, a large amount of performance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29891961</id>
	<title>selling woman   suit and hoody .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256651460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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<tokenext>welcome to view our store.1 ) best price and excellent quality products.2 ) More product pictures are available on our website.3 ) We can supply 100 \ % safe door to door shipping services.4 ) Small trial orders is accepted.5 ) The goods are shipped by air express , such as EMS , UPS , TNT , DHL , and FDEX...6 ) The shipping time is in 5- 7 business days .7 ) The quality is excellent .8 ) These shoes on the website are in stock now9 ) We accept paypal + + + aaa quality .
                  welcme to contact us for more infomation about our products.OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                   Http : //www.tntshoes.com                                                                      </tokentext>
<sentencetext>  welcome to view our store.1)best price and excellent quality  products.2) More product pictures are available on our website.3) We can supply 100\% safe door to door shipping services.4) Small trial orders is accepted.5) The goods are shipped by air express, such as EMS, UPS, TNT, DHL, and FDEX...6) The shipping time is in 5- 7 business days .7) The quality is excellent .8) These shoes on the website are in stock now9) We accept paypal +++aaa quality .
                  welcme to contact us for more infomation about our products.OUR WEBSITE:
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865919</id>
	<title>How about a QNAP TS-119</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=112</p><p>Its not as cheap as a SheevaPlug, but it has 512MB DDR-RAM and 1200GHz ARM9</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //qnap.com/pro \ _detail \ _feature.asp ? p \ _id = 112Its not as cheap as a SheevaPlug , but it has 512MB DDR-RAM and 1200GHz ARM9</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=112Its not as cheap as a SheevaPlug, but it has 512MB DDR-RAM and 1200GHz ARM9</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867499</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>david.given</author>
	<datestamp>1256470020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I've got one of these. They're awesome. My home server runs off one. When I switched away from a Shuttle PC to a SheevaPlug the power consumption went down from 100W to 35W --- and that's including ADSL box, wireless router, home made SSD, external hard drives, UPS, USB hubs, etc.

<p>My setup hosts my email, serves my website, acts as my firewall and router, manages all my backups, is my main ssh-able headless server for doing command-line stuff, proxies stuff for me from when I'm working away from home, etc. I basically treat it as a Real Server, and it copes just fine. I'm using Postfix, Spey and DProbe for SMTP email, Dovecot for IMAP serving, and thttpd for web serving; bits of my website use servlets, and I'm using the Winstone servlet container for that. Alas, it's not brilliant at Java, since nobody's done a decent JIT for ARM yet, but it'll still respond to requests in a couple of hundred milliseconds.

</p><p>However, all is not totally rosy with the SheevaPlug: it's connectivity sucks, as you get <i>one</i> (1) USB 2.0 port. I have six hard drives plugged into this and frequently hit USB bandwidth limitations. (Four of the hard drives are a home-made SSD made up of USB keys. RAID-5 basically does not work because of bandwidth limits --- 500kB/s write!)

</p><p>You may want to look at the OpenRD instead, which is the same chip in a bigger box with more ports --- two Ethernet ports, multiple USB, video, etc. But it's a lot more expensive. I can forgive a lot for $100.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I 've got one of these .
They 're awesome .
My home server runs off one .
When I switched away from a Shuttle PC to a SheevaPlug the power consumption went down from 100W to 35W --- and that 's including ADSL box , wireless router , home made SSD , external hard drives , UPS , USB hubs , etc .
My setup hosts my email , serves my website , acts as my firewall and router , manages all my backups , is my main ssh-able headless server for doing command-line stuff , proxies stuff for me from when I 'm working away from home , etc .
I basically treat it as a Real Server , and it copes just fine .
I 'm using Postfix , Spey and DProbe for SMTP email , Dovecot for IMAP serving , and thttpd for web serving ; bits of my website use servlets , and I 'm using the Winstone servlet container for that .
Alas , it 's not brilliant at Java , since nobody 's done a decent JIT for ARM yet , but it 'll still respond to requests in a couple of hundred milliseconds .
However , all is not totally rosy with the SheevaPlug : it 's connectivity sucks , as you get one ( 1 ) USB 2.0 port .
I have six hard drives plugged into this and frequently hit USB bandwidth limitations .
( Four of the hard drives are a home-made SSD made up of USB keys .
RAID-5 basically does not work because of bandwidth limits --- 500kB/s write !
) You may want to look at the OpenRD instead , which is the same chip in a bigger box with more ports --- two Ethernet ports , multiple USB , video , etc .
But it 's a lot more expensive .
I can forgive a lot for $ 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I've got one of these.
They're awesome.
My home server runs off one.
When I switched away from a Shuttle PC to a SheevaPlug the power consumption went down from 100W to 35W --- and that's including ADSL box, wireless router, home made SSD, external hard drives, UPS, USB hubs, etc.
My setup hosts my email, serves my website, acts as my firewall and router, manages all my backups, is my main ssh-able headless server for doing command-line stuff, proxies stuff for me from when I'm working away from home, etc.
I basically treat it as a Real Server, and it copes just fine.
I'm using Postfix, Spey and DProbe for SMTP email, Dovecot for IMAP serving, and thttpd for web serving; bits of my website use servlets, and I'm using the Winstone servlet container for that.
Alas, it's not brilliant at Java, since nobody's done a decent JIT for ARM yet, but it'll still respond to requests in a couple of hundred milliseconds.
However, all is not totally rosy with the SheevaPlug: it's connectivity sucks, as you get one (1) USB 2.0 port.
I have six hard drives plugged into this and frequently hit USB bandwidth limitations.
(Four of the hard drives are a home-made SSD made up of USB keys.
RAID-5 basically does not work because of bandwidth limits --- 500kB/s write!
)

You may want to look at the OpenRD instead, which is the same chip in a bigger box with more ports --- two Ethernet ports, multiple USB, video, etc.
But it's a lot more expensive.
I can forgive a lot for $100.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866197</id>
	<title>Reframe the question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256499840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd suggest you re-visit your assumption on the amount of $ you'd save (and for that matter, the *real* power usage of the existing machine, as opposed to just the 'rated capacity' of its PS) before going on a quest for a replacement machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest you re-visit your assumption on the amount of $ you 'd save ( and for that matter , the * real * power usage of the existing machine , as opposed to just the 'rated capacity ' of its PS ) before going on a quest for a replacement machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest you re-visit your assumption on the amount of $ you'd save (and for that matter, the *real* power usage of the existing machine, as opposed to just the 'rated capacity' of its PS) before going on a quest for a replacement machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872617</id>
	<title>Cappucino PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256572740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.cappuccinopc.com/light-c7.asp</p><p>I have run the older version of this with Debian and a 2GB flash drive for the last 4 years. No moving parts and it has run without issue the entire time. Highly recommend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.cappuccinopc.com/light-c7.aspI have run the older version of this with Debian and a 2GB flash drive for the last 4 years .
No moving parts and it has run without issue the entire time .
Highly recommend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.cappuccinopc.com/light-c7.aspI have run the older version of this with Debian and a 2GB flash drive for the last 4 years.
No moving parts and it has run without issue the entire time.
Highly recommend.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871565</id>
	<title>small Intel Atom server</title>
	<author>ErpLand</author>
	<datestamp>1256567400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This looks perfect for you: <a href="http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610" title="silentpcreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610</a> [silentpcreview.com]</p><p>Around 12W idle, 16W peak - small, cheap, efficient and simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This looks perfect for you : http : //www.silentpcreview.com/Intel \ _D945GSEJT \ _with \ _Morex \ _T1610 [ silentpcreview.com ] Around 12W idle , 16W peak - small , cheap , efficient and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This looks perfect for you: http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel\_D945GSEJT\_with\_Morex\_T1610 [silentpcreview.com]Around 12W idle, 16W peak - small, cheap, efficient and simple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869895</id>
	<title>Viglen MPC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256590020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..runs at 10W and is fairly popular with home automation people. 400Mhz AMD Geode + 80gb HD + 1/2Gb RAM and a number of USB ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..runs at 10W and is fairly popular with home automation people .
400Mhz AMD Geode + 80gb HD + 1/2Gb RAM and a number of USB ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..runs at 10W and is fairly popular with home automation people.
400Mhz AMD Geode + 80gb HD + 1/2Gb RAM and a number of USB ports.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866391</id>
	<title>Re:New Intel D945GSEJT &amp; PC Engine Alix!!!</title>
	<author>Nicolas Pillot</author>
	<datestamp>1256501400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using a pcengines' alix 2D3 as a dedicated firewall / router and AP (with a mini-pci athereos card with 2 antennas).</p><p>Runs debian, very stable and with an external USB 1TB drive, acts as webserver/fileserver and all.</p><p>Draws a merely 3-to-10W depending on the wireless/disk/cpu activity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using a pcengines ' alix 2D3 as a dedicated firewall / router and AP ( with a mini-pci athereos card with 2 antennas ) .Runs debian , very stable and with an external USB 1TB drive , acts as webserver/fileserver and all.Draws a merely 3-to-10W depending on the wireless/disk/cpu activity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using a pcengines' alix 2D3 as a dedicated firewall / router and AP (with a mini-pci athereos card with 2 antennas).Runs debian, very stable and with an external USB 1TB drive, acts as webserver/fileserver and all.Draws a merely 3-to-10W depending on the wireless/disk/cpu activity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873015</id>
	<title>FitPC version 1</title>
	<author>Phred T. Magnificent</author>
	<datestamp>1256574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm running the FitPC v1, which is advertised as operating in 5 watts.  Mine has FreeBSD on it, but you can get them with Ubuntu preinstalled if you prefer.  I've had OpenBSD on mine before, too, so I can verify that that also works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running the FitPC v1 , which is advertised as operating in 5 watts .
Mine has FreeBSD on it , but you can get them with Ubuntu preinstalled if you prefer .
I 've had OpenBSD on mine before , too , so I can verify that that also works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running the FitPC v1, which is advertised as operating in 5 watts.
Mine has FreeBSD on it, but you can get them with Ubuntu preinstalled if you prefer.
I've had OpenBSD on mine before, too, so I can verify that that also works.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866021</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>thadmiller</author>
	<datestamp>1256498700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to second the Buffalo Linkstation solution.  The LS-XHL model has a 1.2 GHz ARM CPU, 256MB RAM, and the 1 TB model is available from NewEgg for around $220 (they also make a 1.5 TB and 2 TB).  I did have to take the drive out and hook it up to a desktop running Ubuntu for part of the install, but I didn't need to solder anything.  I have Debian Lenny running on the NAS with AMP, Samba, OpenSSH, Webmin, and TorrentFlux for normal operation.  I also have LXDE accessed via TightVNC with various desktop apps (aMule, gtk-gnutella, etc).</p><p>End result is a $220 box, with a 1 TB drive, using approximately 15-watts that sits quietly on a shelf, and does everything I want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to second the Buffalo Linkstation solution .
The LS-XHL model has a 1.2 GHz ARM CPU , 256MB RAM , and the 1 TB model is available from NewEgg for around $ 220 ( they also make a 1.5 TB and 2 TB ) .
I did have to take the drive out and hook it up to a desktop running Ubuntu for part of the install , but I did n't need to solder anything .
I have Debian Lenny running on the NAS with AMP , Samba , OpenSSH , Webmin , and TorrentFlux for normal operation .
I also have LXDE accessed via TightVNC with various desktop apps ( aMule , gtk-gnutella , etc ) .End result is a $ 220 box , with a 1 TB drive , using approximately 15-watts that sits quietly on a shelf , and does everything I want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to second the Buffalo Linkstation solution.
The LS-XHL model has a 1.2 GHz ARM CPU, 256MB RAM, and the 1 TB model is available from NewEgg for around $220 (they also make a 1.5 TB and 2 TB).
I did have to take the drive out and hook it up to a desktop running Ubuntu for part of the install, but I didn't need to solder anything.
I have Debian Lenny running on the NAS with AMP, Samba, OpenSSH, Webmin, and TorrentFlux for normal operation.
I also have LXDE accessed via TightVNC with various desktop apps (aMule, gtk-gnutella, etc).End result is a $220 box, with a 1 TB drive, using approximately 15-watts that sits quietly on a shelf, and does everything I want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868783</id>
	<title>FitPC-2 rocks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256487000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just picked up a FitPC 2 ( http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ ).  It's around $350 from Amazon with a hard drive and Ubuntu pre-loaded.  So far I'm loving it.  I will end up using this as my HTPC with an external hard drive.  I may get another (or one of the SheevaPlugs) for a general file server and network router.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just picked up a FitPC 2 ( http : //www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ ) .
It 's around $ 350 from Amazon with a hard drive and Ubuntu pre-loaded .
So far I 'm loving it .
I will end up using this as my HTPC with an external hard drive .
I may get another ( or one of the SheevaPlugs ) for a general file server and network router .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just picked up a FitPC 2 ( http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ ).
It's around $350 from Amazon with a hard drive and Ubuntu pre-loaded.
So far I'm loving it.
I will end up using this as my HTPC with an external hard drive.
I may get another (or one of the SheevaPlugs) for a general file server and network router.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865831</id>
	<title>In defense of the Mac Mini</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1256497320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mac Mini's power supply maxes out at 85W but it uses much, much less than that. I just used my <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/" title="thinkgeek.com">Kill-A-Watt</a> [thinkgeek.com] to verify that my 1.25 GHz G4 uses less than 20W when logged in and looking at localhost in Safari. The Intels are comparable.</p><p>I have an original Mini that has been serving apache (with php and mysql), ssh, afp, and other things 24/7/365 since a month after it was released--coming up on 4 years now--with OS X. AFAIK they take Linux just fine and that shouldn't make much (if any) difference in the power usage. Original G4s can be had for ~$200 used, used Intels are around $400, and of course new ones start at $600.</p><p>More info:<br><a href="http://www.dssw.co.uk/sleepcentre/threads/mac\_mini\_power\_consumption.html" title="dssw.co.uk">http://www.dssw.co.uk/sleepcentre/threads/mac\_mini\_power\_consumption.html</a> [dssw.co.uk]<br><a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-mini,978-7.html" title="tomshardware.com">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-mini,978-7.html</a> [tomshardware.com]<br><a href="http://www.macintouch.com/macmini05.html#jan25" title="macintouch.com">http://www.macintouch.com/macmini05.html#jan25</a> [macintouch.com]<br>and these guys: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468" title="apple.com">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468</a> [apple.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac Mini 's power supply maxes out at 85W but it uses much , much less than that .
I just used my Kill-A-Watt [ thinkgeek.com ] to verify that my 1.25 GHz G4 uses less than 20W when logged in and looking at localhost in Safari .
The Intels are comparable.I have an original Mini that has been serving apache ( with php and mysql ) , ssh , afp , and other things 24/7/365 since a month after it was released--coming up on 4 years now--with OS X. AFAIK they take Linux just fine and that should n't make much ( if any ) difference in the power usage .
Original G4s can be had for ~ $ 200 used , used Intels are around $ 400 , and of course new ones start at $ 600.More info : http : //www.dssw.co.uk/sleepcentre/threads/mac \ _mini \ _power \ _consumption.html [ dssw.co.uk ] http : //www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-mini,978-7.html [ tomshardware.com ] http : //www.macintouch.com/macmini05.html # jan25 [ macintouch.com ] and these guys : http : //support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac Mini's power supply maxes out at 85W but it uses much, much less than that.
I just used my Kill-A-Watt [thinkgeek.com] to verify that my 1.25 GHz G4 uses less than 20W when logged in and looking at localhost in Safari.
The Intels are comparable.I have an original Mini that has been serving apache (with php and mysql), ssh, afp, and other things 24/7/365 since a month after it was released--coming up on 4 years now--with OS X. AFAIK they take Linux just fine and that shouldn't make much (if any) difference in the power usage.
Original G4s can be had for ~$200 used, used Intels are around $400, and of course new ones start at $600.More info:http://www.dssw.co.uk/sleepcentre/threads/mac\_mini\_power\_consumption.html [dssw.co.uk]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-mini,978-7.html [tomshardware.com]http://www.macintouch.com/macmini05.html#jan25 [macintouch.com]and these guys: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [apple.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866327</id>
	<title>Re:Don't expect ECC RAM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.mpl.ch/t24a0.html</p><p>maybe?<br>but there are no prices...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.mpl.ch/t24a0.htmlmaybe ? but there are no prices.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.mpl.ch/t24a0.htmlmaybe?but there are no prices...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865789</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872915</id>
	<title>Marvell plug computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256574420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about this one with a RAM disk (I used a USB-connected 80 GB HDD)?</p><p>http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/marvell-offers/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about this one with a RAM disk ( I used a USB-connected 80 GB HDD ) ? http : //www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/marvell-offers/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about this one with a RAM disk (I used a USB-connected 80 GB HDD)?http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/marvell-offers/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866457</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>psnINsplPL</author>
	<datestamp>1256501940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI@home on my Mini...</p></div><p>Wow what number of operations per second does that support?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI @ home on my Mini...Wow what number of operations per second does that support ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get a whopping 35 Watts used running SETI@home on my Mini...Wow what number of operations per second does that support?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865461</id>
	<title>Laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>An old laptop will probably give you the lowest power for the cheapest cost.

It doesn't sound like reliability or performance is your main concern.

You can disassemble it and take out the LCD to save a couple more watts if you want, but a typical laptop draws between 10-20 watts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An old laptop will probably give you the lowest power for the cheapest cost .
It does n't sound like reliability or performance is your main concern .
You can disassemble it and take out the LCD to save a couple more watts if you want , but a typical laptop draws between 10-20 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An old laptop will probably give you the lowest power for the cheapest cost.
It doesn't sound like reliability or performance is your main concern.
You can disassemble it and take out the LCD to save a couple more watts if you want, but a typical laptop draws between 10-20 watts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867679</id>
	<title>Re:How about a Linksys router or D-Link NAS box</title>
	<author>paul248</author>
	<datestamp>1256472360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The WRT54G is crap, because it only has 2MB of flash.  This has been the case for <i>years</i>.  Why do people keep recommending it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The WRT54G is crap , because it only has 2MB of flash .
This has been the case for years .
Why do people keep recommending it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The WRT54G is crap, because it only has 2MB of flash.
This has been the case for years.
Why do people keep recommending it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868999</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>NickPresta</author>
	<datestamp>1256490660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 for this.

My plug runs Subversion, Bugzilla, and rTorrent. It also serves as my SSH gateway to my internal network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 for this .
My plug runs Subversion , Bugzilla , and rTorrent .
It also serves as my SSH gateway to my internal network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 for this.
My plug runs Subversion, Bugzilla, and rTorrent.
It also serves as my SSH gateway to my internal network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866621</id>
	<title>Pcengines alix !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can run an alix1d from pcengines (http://www.pcengines.ch/alix1d.htm), 500MHZ AMD geode CPU (fan less) with 256mb RAM. Only 5w with a 2.5 HDD....<br>see http://www.own3d.ch/this\_server.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can run an alix1d from pcengines ( http : //www.pcengines.ch/alix1d.htm ) , 500MHZ AMD geode CPU ( fan less ) with 256mb RAM .
Only 5w with a 2.5 HDD....see http : //www.own3d.ch/this \ _server.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can run an alix1d from pcengines (http://www.pcengines.ch/alix1d.htm), 500MHZ AMD geode CPU (fan less) with 256mb RAM.
Only 5w with a 2.5 HDD....see http://www.own3d.ch/this\_server.html</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870351</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>l0b0</author>
	<datestamp>1256553120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After using a fitPC for the last three years as an Apache + SSL + Subversion (and recently, rsync backup) server, I'll give it a big thumbs up. The only maintenance work since installing Ubuntu Server has been the occasional <tt>sudo apt-get update &amp;&amp; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade &amp;&amp; sudo shutdown -r now</tt>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After using a fitPC for the last three years as an Apache + SSL + Subversion ( and recently , rsync backup ) server , I 'll give it a big thumbs up .
The only maintenance work since installing Ubuntu Server has been the occasional sudo apt-get update &amp;&amp; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade &amp;&amp; sudo shutdown -r now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After using a fitPC for the last three years as an Apache + SSL + Subversion (and recently, rsync backup) server, I'll give it a big thumbs up.
The only maintenance work since installing Ubuntu Server has been the occasional sudo apt-get update &amp;&amp; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade &amp;&amp; sudo shutdown -r now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867841</id>
	<title>Mini ITX Rules (ish) !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256474340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im running a mini ITX system comprising of a Mini ITX board and two 1TB WD Green Power drives. The system is easily fast enough as a web and file server and runs for hours from my old UPS when the power goes down!<br>Advantges: Quiet, Cool and uses alot less power!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im running a mini ITX system comprising of a Mini ITX board and two 1TB WD Green Power drives .
The system is easily fast enough as a web and file server and runs for hours from my old UPS when the power goes down ! Advantges : Quiet , Cool and uses alot less power !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im running a mini ITX system comprising of a Mini ITX board and two 1TB WD Green Power drives.
The system is easily fast enough as a web and file server and runs for hours from my old UPS when the power goes down!Advantges: Quiet, Cool and uses alot less power!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867151</id>
	<title>Asus Eee?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256465400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a pretty simple question to answer. Any cheapo PC will do.</p><p>I run a wall mounted Asus Eee PC (forgot the exact model name, 901?)</p><p>Ubuntu Server 8.10, Uptime:</p><p>22:06:20 up 253 days, 10:45,  4 users,  load average: 1.44, 1.32, 1.19</p><p>Running:<br>Apache<br>Rtorrent<br>Lighttpd<br>Samba<br>Ntpd<br>Mumble</p><p>Connected to this is an 1TB external USB2 HDD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a pretty simple question to answer .
Any cheapo PC will do.I run a wall mounted Asus Eee PC ( forgot the exact model name , 901 ?
) Ubuntu Server 8.10 , Uptime : 22 : 06 : 20 up 253 days , 10 : 45 , 4 users , load average : 1.44 , 1.32 , 1.19Running : ApacheRtorrentLighttpdSambaNtpdMumbleConnected to this is an 1TB external USB2 HDD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a pretty simple question to answer.
Any cheapo PC will do.I run a wall mounted Asus Eee PC (forgot the exact model name, 901?
)Ubuntu Server 8.10, Uptime:22:06:20 up 253 days, 10:45,  4 users,  load average: 1.44, 1.32, 1.19Running:ApacheRtorrentLighttpdSambaNtpdMumbleConnected to this is an 1TB external USB2 HDD</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865969</id>
	<title>Via Artigo A2000</title>
	<author>grumling</author>
	<datestamp>1256498400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just put a FreeNAS together with the Artigo A2000 barebones PC. It ended up being a little more than $400 using 2X 1.5TB drives (mirrored), but fairly simple to get going, small and quiet. With a GigE switch and old WRT54gs in use as an access point, it pulls 35W at idle and about 50W or so under load. It runs the Via C7-D at 1.5GHz, and has an internal CF slot that you can load an OS on easily. File transfers are nothing to write home about, but acceptable (and much better than the Linksys NAS200 I should have checked reviews on before buying!). The only problem I've had is that the power connector looses contact easily if you move the box around.</p><p>If you already have drives, I think it would be a good way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just put a FreeNAS together with the Artigo A2000 barebones PC .
It ended up being a little more than $ 400 using 2X 1.5TB drives ( mirrored ) , but fairly simple to get going , small and quiet .
With a GigE switch and old WRT54gs in use as an access point , it pulls 35W at idle and about 50W or so under load .
It runs the Via C7-D at 1.5GHz , and has an internal CF slot that you can load an OS on easily .
File transfers are nothing to write home about , but acceptable ( and much better than the Linksys NAS200 I should have checked reviews on before buying ! ) .
The only problem I 've had is that the power connector looses contact easily if you move the box around.If you already have drives , I think it would be a good way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just put a FreeNAS together with the Artigo A2000 barebones PC.
It ended up being a little more than $400 using 2X 1.5TB drives (mirrored), but fairly simple to get going, small and quiet.
With a GigE switch and old WRT54gs in use as an access point, it pulls 35W at idle and about 50W or so under load.
It runs the Via C7-D at 1.5GHz, and has an internal CF slot that you can load an OS on easily.
File transfers are nothing to write home about, but acceptable (and much better than the Linksys NAS200 I should have checked reviews on before buying!).
The only problem I've had is that the power connector looses contact easily if you move the box around.If you already have drives, I think it would be a good way to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865865</id>
	<title>VIA C7</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1256497560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul> <li>Jetway Versa J7F4K1G2E (1.2Ghz C7, dual gigE) - $150</li><li> <a href="http://www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-with-picoPSU-90-and-60W-adapter" title="mini-box.com">M350 enclosure<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/w 60W adapter</a> [mini-box.com] - $75</li><li>1GB DDR2-667 - $30</li><li> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136314" title="newegg.com">500GB 2.5" SATA hdd</a> [newegg.com] - $90</li></ul><p>I get $345 ($405 if I use a 750GB hdd). I think a good low-power system with the right combination of features is hard to get for under $300 new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jetway Versa J7F4K1G2E ( 1.2Ghz C7 , dual gigE ) - $ 150 M350 enclosure /w 60W adapter [ mini-box.com ] - $ 751GB DDR2-667 - $ 30 500GB 2.5 " SATA hdd [ newegg.com ] - $ 90I get $ 345 ( $ 405 if I use a 750GB hdd ) .
I think a good low-power system with the right combination of features is hard to get for under $ 300 new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Jetway Versa J7F4K1G2E (1.2Ghz C7, dual gigE) - $150 M350 enclosure /w 60W adapter [mini-box.com] - $751GB DDR2-667 - $30 500GB 2.5" SATA hdd [newegg.com] - $90I get $345 ($405 if I use a 750GB hdd).
I think a good low-power system with the right combination of features is hard to get for under $300 new.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870295</id>
	<title>Laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256552340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using old Thinkpad X31 as general purpose server. Fits nicely to the bookself and with 1.6GHz Pentium-M is more than powerful enough for everything I need. Don't know about exact power consumption, but I doubt it's anywhere near 30watts even under full load. Added bonus is that server keeps running even if there is a blackout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using old Thinkpad X31 as general purpose server .
Fits nicely to the bookself and with 1.6GHz Pentium-M is more than powerful enough for everything I need .
Do n't know about exact power consumption , but I doubt it 's anywhere near 30watts even under full load .
Added bonus is that server keeps running even if there is a blackout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using old Thinkpad X31 as general purpose server.
Fits nicely to the bookself and with 1.6GHz Pentium-M is more than powerful enough for everything I need.
Don't know about exact power consumption, but I doubt it's anywhere near 30watts even under full load.
Added bonus is that server keeps running even if there is a blackout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866807</id>
	<title>Nettop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256461920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's what you after, cheap, low power but otherwise a modern computer.<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's what you after , cheap , low power but otherwise a modern computer.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's what you after, cheap, low power but otherwise a modern computer.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867093</id>
	<title>Acer Aspire Revo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256464680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try the Revo, eso. The new dual core Atom 330; it has an HDMI output as well. Around UK&pound;150.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try the Revo , eso .
The new dual core Atom 330 ; it has an HDMI output as well .
Around UK   150 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try the Revo, eso.
The new dual core Atom 330; it has an HDMI output as well.
Around UK£150.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866839</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>POTSandPANS</author>
	<datestamp>1256462160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put a meter on it, I bet you find it draws way less than the rated power.</p><p>People also tend to forget that waste energy isn't actually gone. </p><p>For example, If you have 10x 100 watt incandescent light bulbs in your home, turning them off will save you 1000 watts, right? Wrong. Your heating system will need to work a little bit more to make up the that "waste" heat from the incandescent bulbs. Of course in summer, this is reversed because you have waste heat AND your A/C is working to get rid of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put a meter on it , I bet you find it draws way less than the rated power.People also tend to forget that waste energy is n't actually gone .
For example , If you have 10x 100 watt incandescent light bulbs in your home , turning them off will save you 1000 watts , right ?
Wrong. Your heating system will need to work a little bit more to make up the that " waste " heat from the incandescent bulbs .
Of course in summer , this is reversed because you have waste heat AND your A/C is working to get rid of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put a meter on it, I bet you find it draws way less than the rated power.People also tend to forget that waste energy isn't actually gone.
For example, If you have 10x 100 watt incandescent light bulbs in your home, turning them off will save you 1000 watts, right?
Wrong. Your heating system will need to work a little bit more to make up the that "waste" heat from the incandescent bulbs.
Of course in summer, this is reversed because you have waste heat AND your A/C is working to get rid of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866171</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>zerosomething</author>
	<datestamp>1256499660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the Mini but I think it's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this. A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need, older ones don't. The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use. I use a Mini my self because it's what I know and I want the video capabilities but there are cheeper ways to go. The laptop route is a good one because you get automatic battery backup for power failures. Also the DC power input would be easier to wire into a solar power support system. It's also potentially more efficient to keep everything DC no need to for DC to AC inverters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the Mini but I think it 's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this .
A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need , older ones do n't .
The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use .
I use a Mini my self because it 's what I know and I want the video capabilities but there are cheeper ways to go .
The laptop route is a good one because you get automatic battery backup for power failures .
Also the DC power input would be easier to wire into a solar power support system .
It 's also potentially more efficient to keep everything DC no need to for DC to AC inverters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the Mini but I think it's overkill and maybe not robust enough for this.
A Mini also has lots of GPU you likely will not need, older ones don't.
The hard drive may also not be robust enough for continuous use.
I use a Mini my self because it's what I know and I want the video capabilities but there are cheeper ways to go.
The laptop route is a good one because you get automatic battery backup for power failures.
Also the DC power input would be easier to wire into a solar power support system.
It's also potentially more efficient to keep everything DC no need to for DC to AC inverters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865437</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867193</id>
	<title>Mybook World Edition</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1256465940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't see this mentioned in the other comments, but scratch the Mybook World Edition.  It's the slowest thing ever.</p><p>On the surface, things look good:  Enough RAM and CPU to be useful, a lot of space, nearly meaningless power consumption, gigabit network, easily hackable, convection cooled, nearly silent...</p><p>There's just one problem:  The network interface is so poorly implemented that it can, at best, push 3-4 megabytes per second before the CPU pegs at 100\%.  Accordingly, since the throughput is CPU-bound, running anything else on the box has an immediate and noticeable impact on speeds.</p><p>After a few months of tinkering with it trying to make it suck less, I found that the best use for my 1TB Mybook World Edition NAS was to strip the drive out of the enclosure, put it into a real PC, and throw the rest away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't see this mentioned in the other comments , but scratch the Mybook World Edition .
It 's the slowest thing ever.On the surface , things look good : Enough RAM and CPU to be useful , a lot of space , nearly meaningless power consumption , gigabit network , easily hackable , convection cooled , nearly silent...There 's just one problem : The network interface is so poorly implemented that it can , at best , push 3-4 megabytes per second before the CPU pegs at 100 \ % .
Accordingly , since the throughput is CPU-bound , running anything else on the box has an immediate and noticeable impact on speeds.After a few months of tinkering with it trying to make it suck less , I found that the best use for my 1TB Mybook World Edition NAS was to strip the drive out of the enclosure , put it into a real PC , and throw the rest away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't see this mentioned in the other comments, but scratch the Mybook World Edition.
It's the slowest thing ever.On the surface, things look good:  Enough RAM and CPU to be useful, a lot of space, nearly meaningless power consumption, gigabit network, easily hackable, convection cooled, nearly silent...There's just one problem:  The network interface is so poorly implemented that it can, at best, push 3-4 megabytes per second before the CPU pegs at 100\%.
Accordingly, since the throughput is CPU-bound, running anything else on the box has an immediate and noticeable impact on speeds.After a few months of tinkering with it trying to make it suck less, I found that the best use for my 1TB Mybook World Edition NAS was to strip the drive out of the enclosure, put it into a real PC, and throw the rest away.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874015</id>
	<title>Re:Via Epia 5000</title>
	<author>Crayon Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1256579700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May I point out that there's no need to be a masoqist?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) For $100 you can get a Celeron from the Conroe-L family which will idle at 8W and push 25W in full load and a regular mATX board with 4xSATA, Gigabit and builtin video card. Add a bit of used DDR2 (256MB should about do it), any old case with room for 4 HDD's, an extra cooling fan, an old CF card and a CF-IDE adapter, and you shouldn't pass the $100 mark. This baby should run Linux software RAID like a champion.</p><p>Point being, you don't need to torture yourself with 500 MHz when you can do 1.5GHz. If you want to go cheap, regular commodity hardware is still the best way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May I point out that there 's no need to be a masoqist ?
: ) For $ 100 you can get a Celeron from the Conroe-L family which will idle at 8W and push 25W in full load and a regular mATX board with 4xSATA , Gigabit and builtin video card .
Add a bit of used DDR2 ( 256MB should about do it ) , any old case with room for 4 HDD 's , an extra cooling fan , an old CF card and a CF-IDE adapter , and you should n't pass the $ 100 mark .
This baby should run Linux software RAID like a champion.Point being , you do n't need to torture yourself with 500 MHz when you can do 1.5GHz .
If you want to go cheap , regular commodity hardware is still the best way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I point out that there's no need to be a masoqist?
:) For $100 you can get a Celeron from the Conroe-L family which will idle at 8W and push 25W in full load and a regular mATX board with 4xSATA, Gigabit and builtin video card.
Add a bit of used DDR2 (256MB should about do it), any old case with room for 4 HDD's, an extra cooling fan, an old CF card and a CF-IDE adapter, and you shouldn't pass the $100 mark.
This baby should run Linux software RAID like a champion.Point being, you don't need to torture yourself with 500 MHz when you can do 1.5GHz.
If you want to go cheap, regular commodity hardware is still the best way to go.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865589</id>
	<title>LEX mini PCs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at http://www.lex.com.tw. Lex has got many small systems which run perfectly Linux and OpenBSD. Some of them are fanless - the alu case doubles as cooling block for the CPU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at http : //www.lex.com.tw .
Lex has got many small systems which run perfectly Linux and OpenBSD .
Some of them are fanless - the alu case doubles as cooling block for the CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at http://www.lex.com.tw.
Lex has got many small systems which run perfectly Linux and OpenBSD.
Some of them are fanless - the alu case doubles as cooling block for the CPU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872589</id>
	<title>Check out norhtech.com</title>
	<author>Medievalist</author>
	<datestamp>1256572620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This company seems to be pretty dedicated to making what you want.</p><p><a href="http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.html" title="norhtec.com">http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.html</a> [norhtec.com]</p><p>I'm impressed that they can supply low-power consumption home video and audio rigs that are completely fanless.  They can support wireless connectivity, too, although personally I like nice fast private hard-wiring and have installed it throughout my home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This company seems to be pretty dedicated to making what you want.http : //www.norhtec.com/products/index.html [ norhtec.com ] I 'm impressed that they can supply low-power consumption home video and audio rigs that are completely fanless .
They can support wireless connectivity , too , although personally I like nice fast private hard-wiring and have installed it throughout my home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This company seems to be pretty dedicated to making what you want.http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.html [norhtec.com]I'm impressed that they can supply low-power consumption home video and audio rigs that are completely fanless.
They can support wireless connectivity, too, although personally I like nice fast private hard-wiring and have installed it throughout my home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870287</id>
	<title>Re:Bubba|TWO NAS server</title>
	<author>p\_ni\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1256552160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a comment on this, Bubba|TWO uses 7-11W operating, depending on which disk that is fitted.
If I calculate the "saved money" on the electricity bill correctly that would save you another $20/year.

It comes with Debian installed and root access is not limited.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/PA, Excito developer</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a comment on this , Bubba | TWO uses 7-11W operating , depending on which disk that is fitted .
If I calculate the " saved money " on the electricity bill correctly that would save you another $ 20/year .
It comes with Debian installed and root access is not limited .
/PA , Excito developer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a comment on this, Bubba|TWO uses 7-11W operating, depending on which disk that is fitted.
If I calculate the "saved money" on the electricity bill correctly that would save you another $20/year.
It comes with Debian installed and root access is not limited.
/PA, Excito developer</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866063</id>
	<title>Bubba</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try out a Bubba, it comes preinstalled with Debian.</p><p>http://www.excito.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try out a Bubba , it comes preinstalled with Debian.http : //www.excito.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try out a Bubba, it comes preinstalled with Debian.http://www.excito.com/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870223</id>
	<title>Fit-PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256551500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.fit-pc.com/</p><p>I have the first model, 5W max and it's an x86 architecture. Not as cheap as the Sheevaplug, though.</p><p>The last one seems *very* attractive, even as a media center.</p><p>Ciao,<br>D.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.fit-pc.com/I have the first model , 5W max and it 's an x86 architecture .
Not as cheap as the Sheevaplug , though.The last one seems * very * attractive , even as a media center.Ciao,D .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.fit-pc.com/I have the first model, 5W max and it's an x86 architecture.
Not as cheap as the Sheevaplug, though.The last one seems *very* attractive, even as a media center.Ciao,D.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867713</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1256472840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep. I highly recommend picking up a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001" title="newegg.com">Kill-A-Watt</a> [newegg.com] and measuring your electronics.</p><p>My NAS is an old VIA C7 board. It consumes about 45 watts.</p><p>This is with... 4x SATA HDD + 2xPATA HDD</p><p>It's a cruddy Jetway board - the onboard SATA doesn't seem to be supported properly. If I had to do it again, with newer parts, I'd probably go Atom or Ion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
I highly recommend picking up a Kill-A-Watt [ newegg.com ] and measuring your electronics.My NAS is an old VIA C7 board .
It consumes about 45 watts.This is with... 4x SATA HDD + 2xPATA HDDIt 's a cruddy Jetway board - the onboard SATA does n't seem to be supported properly .
If I had to do it again , with newer parts , I 'd probably go Atom or Ion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
I highly recommend picking up a Kill-A-Watt [newegg.com] and measuring your electronics.My NAS is an old VIA C7 board.
It consumes about 45 watts.This is with... 4x SATA HDD + 2xPATA HDDIt's a cruddy Jetway board - the onboard SATA doesn't seem to be supported properly.
If I had to do it again, with newer parts, I'd probably go Atom or Ion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869995</id>
	<title>Atom 330</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256548320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We did a similar upgrade and went for an Atom based mini itx based solution.  We used a dual core 330, but I'm sure that a single core will do just fine for your application.  For our system, we retained our old HD but had to get new RAM, case and a low profile network card, all for comfortably under $300.  We are running OpenBSD and using it as an email server, firewall and print server with no issues at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We did a similar upgrade and went for an Atom based mini itx based solution .
We used a dual core 330 , but I 'm sure that a single core will do just fine for your application .
For our system , we retained our old HD but had to get new RAM , case and a low profile network card , all for comfortably under $ 300 .
We are running OpenBSD and using it as an email server , firewall and print server with no issues at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We did a similar upgrade and went for an Atom based mini itx based solution.
We used a dual core 330, but I'm sure that a single core will do just fine for your application.
For our system, we retained our old HD but had to get new RAM, case and a low profile network card, all for comfortably under $300.
We are running OpenBSD and using it as an email server, firewall and print server with no issues at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866097</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>camperslo</author>
	<datestamp>1256499180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts</i></p><p>I'd be surprised if it actually uses that much.  The figures shown on consumer products for power consumption seem to be peak or maximum, not nominal figures.  Using a meter such as the Kill-a-watt will likely show significantly less consumption.  (read Watts, not VA)</p><p><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001&amp;nm\_mc=OTC-Froogle&amp;cm\_mmc=OTC-Froogle-\_-Electronic+Gadgets-\_-P3+International-\_-82715001" title="newegg.com">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001&amp;nm\_mc=OTC-Froogle&amp;cm\_mmc=OTC-Froogle-\_-Electronic+Gadgets-\_-P3+International-\_-82715001</a> [newegg.com]</p><p>A few years ago I built a desktop using a E6300 Core 2 Duo overclocked to 2.25 Ghz. With added Ethernet and Firewire cards, and typical optical and hard drives, consumption measures only 82 Watts. (tested while doing video compression)  Components were selected with energy use in mind.  It helped to use basic ICH7/GMA950 graphics.</p><p>Clearly the Minis still use much more energy than some alternatives suggested here, but for a true picture of power savings measured consumption is needed.  It would be interesting to results at different clock rates.</p><p>At aa 13 cents a kwh above baseline rate, I figure it costs roughly $1. per month for every 10 Watts of continuous (24 hr) load.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , the mac mini draws 110 wattsI 'd be surprised if it actually uses that much .
The figures shown on consumer products for power consumption seem to be peak or maximum , not nominal figures .
Using a meter such as the Kill-a-watt will likely show significantly less consumption .
( read Watts , not VA ) http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16882715001&amp;nm \ _mc = OTC-Froogle&amp;cm \ _mmc = OTC-Froogle- \ _-Electronic + Gadgets- \ _-P3 + International- \ _-82715001 [ newegg.com ] A few years ago I built a desktop using a E6300 Core 2 Duo overclocked to 2.25 Ghz .
With added Ethernet and Firewire cards , and typical optical and hard drives , consumption measures only 82 Watts .
( tested while doing video compression ) Components were selected with energy use in mind .
It helped to use basic ICH7/GMA950 graphics.Clearly the Minis still use much more energy than some alternatives suggested here , but for a true picture of power savings measured consumption is needed .
It would be interesting to results at different clock rates.At aa 13 cents a kwh above baseline rate , I figure it costs roughly $ 1 .
per month for every 10 Watts of continuous ( 24 hr ) load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, the mac mini draws 110 wattsI'd be surprised if it actually uses that much.
The figures shown on consumer products for power consumption seem to be peak or maximum, not nominal figures.
Using a meter such as the Kill-a-watt will likely show significantly less consumption.
(read Watts, not VA)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001&amp;nm\_mc=OTC-Froogle&amp;cm\_mmc=OTC-Froogle-\_-Electronic+Gadgets-\_-P3+International-\_-82715001 [newegg.com]A few years ago I built a desktop using a E6300 Core 2 Duo overclocked to 2.25 Ghz.
With added Ethernet and Firewire cards, and typical optical and hard drives, consumption measures only 82 Watts.
(tested while doing video compression)  Components were selected with energy use in mind.
It helped to use basic ICH7/GMA950 graphics.Clearly the Minis still use much more energy than some alternatives suggested here, but for a true picture of power savings measured consumption is needed.
It would be interesting to results at different clock rates.At aa 13 cents a kwh above baseline rate, I figure it costs roughly $1.
per month for every 10 Watts of continuous (24 hr) load.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866049</id>
	<title>Asrock ION 330</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Asrock ION 330 seems like a good choice. DVD burner, 320gb harddisk, intel atom + nvidia ion. Uses about 30 - 35W, even under load. Installing Ubuntu or Debian on it is very easy. You can even play full HD content on it if you so desire. All in one package for around $300 - $350. And it looks good in your living room too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Asrock ION 330 seems like a good choice .
DVD burner , 320gb harddisk , intel atom + nvidia ion .
Uses about 30 - 35W , even under load .
Installing Ubuntu or Debian on it is very easy .
You can even play full HD content on it if you so desire .
All in one package for around $ 300 - $ 350 .
And it looks good in your living room too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Asrock ION 330 seems like a good choice.
DVD burner, 320gb harddisk, intel atom + nvidia ion.
Uses about 30 - 35W, even under load.
Installing Ubuntu or Debian on it is very easy.
You can even play full HD content on it if you so desire.
All in one package for around $300 - $350.
And it looks good in your living room too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872465</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Beacon11</author>
	<datestamp>1256572020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I definitely recommend Sheeva. I'm using mine as a streaming media server. I used to just use a well-built desktop Linux system, but now I'm using the Sheeva Plug with an SDHC card containing all my music and it uses less power than my desktop turned OFF (my desktop pulls about 5 W of phantom power, whereas the Sheeva runs at MAYBE 4-5 W depending on load). Can't beat it, and there are a ton of prebuilt images for it. I even have Hamachi on there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I definitely recommend Sheeva .
I 'm using mine as a streaming media server .
I used to just use a well-built desktop Linux system , but now I 'm using the Sheeva Plug with an SDHC card containing all my music and it uses less power than my desktop turned OFF ( my desktop pulls about 5 W of phantom power , whereas the Sheeva runs at MAYBE 4-5 W depending on load ) .
Ca n't beat it , and there are a ton of prebuilt images for it .
I even have Hamachi on there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I definitely recommend Sheeva.
I'm using mine as a streaming media server.
I used to just use a well-built desktop Linux system, but now I'm using the Sheeva Plug with an SDHC card containing all my music and it uses less power than my desktop turned OFF (my desktop pulls about 5 W of phantom power, whereas the Sheeva runs at MAYBE 4-5 W depending on load).
Can't beat it, and there are a ton of prebuilt images for it.
I even have Hamachi on there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865787</id>
	<title>Core2 Duo Mobile is an option</title>
	<author>TheHaven</author>
	<datestamp>1256496960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm currently running an MSI Fuzzy GM965 board with an intel core 2 mobile (T8300) in a Sugo SG05 chassis. 4 gigs or RAM and 1 x TB 3.5 WD Green drive gives a total Wattage of 35 idle. A little over what you wanted but it idles at 1200MHz and scales to 2400 when required.

This is in the process of replacing my old server that pulls 230Watts constantly (Opteron 246 with 2GB RAM) so likewise I'm hoping to save a decent ammount on my electricity bill.

My only gripe with the system is that the bios in the MSI is shocking, try and run an external graphics card in the system and the bios does not let you turn off the internal one. You then get to play the "which graphics source gets detected first" game as that then becomes the default. I've ended up just sticking to the internal which is fine for a server purpose but rules this out as a desktop replacement anytime soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently running an MSI Fuzzy GM965 board with an intel core 2 mobile ( T8300 ) in a Sugo SG05 chassis .
4 gigs or RAM and 1 x TB 3.5 WD Green drive gives a total Wattage of 35 idle .
A little over what you wanted but it idles at 1200MHz and scales to 2400 when required .
This is in the process of replacing my old server that pulls 230Watts constantly ( Opteron 246 with 2GB RAM ) so likewise I 'm hoping to save a decent ammount on my electricity bill .
My only gripe with the system is that the bios in the MSI is shocking , try and run an external graphics card in the system and the bios does not let you turn off the internal one .
You then get to play the " which graphics source gets detected first " game as that then becomes the default .
I 've ended up just sticking to the internal which is fine for a server purpose but rules this out as a desktop replacement anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently running an MSI Fuzzy GM965 board with an intel core 2 mobile (T8300) in a Sugo SG05 chassis.
4 gigs or RAM and 1 x TB 3.5 WD Green drive gives a total Wattage of 35 idle.
A little over what you wanted but it idles at 1200MHz and scales to 2400 when required.
This is in the process of replacing my old server that pulls 230Watts constantly (Opteron 246 with 2GB RAM) so likewise I'm hoping to save a decent ammount on my electricity bill.
My only gripe with the system is that the bios in the MSI is shocking, try and run an external graphics card in the system and the bios does not let you turn off the internal one.
You then get to play the "which graphics source gets detected first" game as that then becomes the default.
I've ended up just sticking to the internal which is fine for a server purpose but rules this out as a desktop replacement anytime soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865931</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1256498100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget the <a href="http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspx" title="globalscal...logies.com">OpenRD</a> [globalscal...logies.com]</p><p>Same chip, but in a larger form factor to bring out the rest of the connectors: 7 USB, 2 Gb ethernet, VGA, audio, serial, &amp; esata.</p><p>It's 250 instead of only 99, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget the OpenRD [ globalscal...logies.com ] Same chip , but in a larger form factor to bring out the rest of the connectors : 7 USB , 2 Gb ethernet , VGA , audio , serial , &amp; esata.It 's 250 instead of only 99 , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget the OpenRD [globalscal...logies.com]Same chip, but in a larger form factor to bring out the rest of the connectors: 7 USB, 2 Gb ethernet, VGA, audio, serial, &amp; esata.It's 250 instead of only 99, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868587</id>
	<title>MSI Wind PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256484240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had the following running since March with zero issues or disappointments. It's my LAMP server running wordpress and ssh access. I just performed an upgrade to CentOS 5.4 with no issues. Also, installed webmin without external access. However, I still can connect to the webmin interface from the internet when I use ssh to tunnel my web traffic.</p><p>The prices are reflective of when I purchased the system in March 2009.</p><p>MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Black Barebone - Retail<br>Model #:Wind PC<br>Item #:N82E16856167032<br>Return Policy:Limited Replacement Only Return Policy<br>In Stock<br>$134.99</p><p>Western Digital Caviar Green WD5000AADS 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive - OEM<br>Model #:WD5000AADS<br>Item #:N82E16822136358<br>In Stock<br>$54.99</p><p>Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory Model KVR533D2S4/2G - Retail<br>Model #:KVR533D2S4/2G<br>Item #:N82E16820134317<br>Return Policy:Memory Standard Return Policy<br>In Stock<br>$25.49</p><p>Subtotal: $215.47</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had the following running since March with zero issues or disappointments .
It 's my LAMP server running wordpress and ssh access .
I just performed an upgrade to CentOS 5.4 with no issues .
Also , installed webmin without external access .
However , I still can connect to the webmin interface from the internet when I use ssh to tunnel my web traffic.The prices are reflective of when I purchased the system in March 2009.MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Black Barebone - RetailModel # : Wind PCItem # : N82E16856167032Return Policy : Limited Replacement Only Return PolicyIn Stock $ 134.99Western Digital Caviar Green WD5000AADS 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 " Hard Drive - OEMModel # : WD5000AADSItem # : N82E16822136358In Stock $ 54.99Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 ( PC2 4200 ) Laptop Memory Model KVR533D2S4/2G - RetailModel # : KVR533D2S4/2GItem # : N82E16820134317Return Policy : Memory Standard Return PolicyIn Stock $ 25.49Subtotal : $ 215.47</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had the following running since March with zero issues or disappointments.
It's my LAMP server running wordpress and ssh access.
I just performed an upgrade to CentOS 5.4 with no issues.
Also, installed webmin without external access.
However, I still can connect to the webmin interface from the internet when I use ssh to tunnel my web traffic.The prices are reflective of when I purchased the system in March 2009.MSI Wind PC Intel 945GC Black Barebone - RetailModel #:Wind PCItem #:N82E16856167032Return Policy:Limited Replacement Only Return PolicyIn Stock$134.99Western Digital Caviar Green WD5000AADS 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive - OEMModel #:WD5000AADSItem #:N82E16822136358In Stock$54.99Kingston 2GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Laptop Memory Model KVR533D2S4/2G - RetailModel #:KVR533D2S4/2GItem #:N82E16820134317Return Policy:Memory Standard Return PolicyIn Stock$25.49Subtotal: $215.47</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29896205</id>
	<title>70 bucks a YEAR??</title>
	<author>jschmitz</author>
	<datestamp>1256740500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>70 bucks a YEAR??? So you are going to buy another server which will cost at least a grand to save 70 dollars a year? what am I missing here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>70 bucks a YEAR ? ? ?
So you are going to buy another server which will cost at least a grand to save 70 dollars a year ?
what am I missing here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>70 bucks a YEAR???
So you are going to buy another server which will cost at least a grand to save 70 dollars a year?
what am I missing here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866055</id>
	<title>Loaded vs idle power usage</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1256498940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While the loaded power is 85W on a Mac Mini, the idle power might be a lot less.  The <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468" title="apple.com">Apple quoted idle usage power</a> [apple.com] is about 13W for the newest model and up to 32W for the first model.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the loaded power is 85W on a Mac Mini , the idle power might be a lot less .
The Apple quoted idle usage power [ apple.com ] is about 13W for the newest model and up to 32W for the first model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the loaded power is 85W on a Mac Mini, the idle power might be a lot less.
The Apple quoted idle usage power [apple.com] is about 13W for the newest model and up to 32W for the first model.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865549</id>
	<title>who are we turning the kids' education over to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>none other than the most notorious crook since john gotti.<br><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091025/ap\_on\_re\_us/us\_bill\_gates\_education\_influence/print" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091025/ap\_on\_re\_us/us\_bill\_gates\_education\_influence/print</a> [yahoo.com]</p><p>what the heck, they can't be any worse off?</p><p>kudos to linux et al, finally addressing the wireless issue, which helps us with disposing of any remaining payper liesense bugwear stations in our<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.org.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>none other than the most notorious crook since john gotti.http : //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091025/ap \ _on \ _re \ _us/us \ _bill \ _gates \ _education \ _influence/print [ yahoo.com ] what the heck , they ca n't be any worse off ? kudos to linux et al , finally addressing the wireless issue , which helps us with disposing of any remaining payper liesense bugwear stations in our .org .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>none other than the most notorious crook since john gotti.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091025/ap\_on\_re\_us/us\_bill\_gates\_education\_influence/print [yahoo.com]what the heck, they can't be any worse off?kudos to linux et al, finally addressing the wireless issue, which helps us with disposing of any remaining payper liesense bugwear stations in our .org.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874597</id>
	<title>Atom 330</title>
	<author>prochobo</author>
	<datestamp>1256582400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using an Atom 330, 1GB, 2x 1.5 TB 5400RPM drives, 1 PCI Gigabit NIC, Power PC &amp; Cooling 510 (a little overkill<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P).</p><p>Actual total power usage is ~65 watts according to a kill-a-watt meter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using an Atom 330 , 1GB , 2x 1.5 TB 5400RPM drives , 1 PCI Gigabit NIC , Power PC &amp; Cooling 510 ( a little overkill ; P ) .Actual total power usage is ~ 65 watts according to a kill-a-watt meter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using an Atom 330, 1GB, 2x 1.5 TB 5400RPM drives, 1 PCI Gigabit NIC, Power PC &amp; Cooling 510 (a little overkill ;P).Actual total power usage is ~65 watts according to a kill-a-watt meter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867449</id>
	<title>What about old hardware?</title>
	<author>david\_craig</author>
	<datestamp>1256469120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was given a Sparcstation 5 a few years ago that I have running faithfully as a home server and it draws less than 70 watts.  It runs DNS, squid, OpenVPN and a few other things quite well (its running OpenBSD, but you could just as easily put Linux on there).  You could pick up a similarly aged system that would have a low power requirement from ebay for well under $300.  It's also better for the environment to re-use something that someone else would have otherwise thrown away than to buy something new.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was given a Sparcstation 5 a few years ago that I have running faithfully as a home server and it draws less than 70 watts .
It runs DNS , squid , OpenVPN and a few other things quite well ( its running OpenBSD , but you could just as easily put Linux on there ) .
You could pick up a similarly aged system that would have a low power requirement from ebay for well under $ 300 .
It 's also better for the environment to re-use something that someone else would have otherwise thrown away than to buy something new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was given a Sparcstation 5 a few years ago that I have running faithfully as a home server and it draws less than 70 watts.
It runs DNS, squid, OpenVPN and a few other things quite well (its running OpenBSD, but you could just as easily put Linux on there).
You could pick up a similarly aged system that would have a low power requirement from ebay for well under $300.
It's also better for the environment to re-use something that someone else would have otherwise thrown away than to buy something new.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868349</id>
	<title>PBX PC - Intel Atom 330, 1GB, 30GB SSD, Mini-ITX</title>
	<author>JakFrost</author>
	<datestamp>1256481420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>Phone System PBX Project</b> </p><p>I had to build such a full-fledged system but one that had to be dependable, reliable, small, quiet, unobtrusive, long lasting, cool running, low-power, well performing, be built of standard parts, and be able to accept one PCI or PCIe expansion card for the telephone TDM interface for incoming FXO lines.</p><p>I'm in the process of setting up a phone system PBX with up to 4-incoming telephone lines and a phone menu system to provide basic business information (e.g. hours, address, directions, information, etc.) for a friend's business and also offer the standard features such as voice mail, faxing, internal analog extensions, VoIP capability for future expansion, customization, etc. built on Linux using <a href="http://www.elastix.org/" title="elastix.org" rel="nofollow">Elastix</a> [elastix.org] that is based on <a href="http://www.asterisk.org/" title="asterisk.org" rel="nofollow">Asterisk</a> [asterisk.org] PBX.</p><p>

<a href="http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9543234" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Wishlist - PBX PC - Intel Atom 330, 1GB DDR2 667, OCZ Agility 30GB SSD, 120mm Fan, Apex Mini-ITX</a> [newegg.com] - $316.94 USD

</p><p> <b>Form Factor - Mini-ITX</b> </p><p>I checked out my favorite hardware review site <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/" title="anandtech.com" rel="nofollow">AnandTech</a> [anandtech.com] and read a number of articles about the new Mini-ITX form factor motherboards that came out to get an introduction to the form factor and expectations.</p><p> <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3630" title="anandtech.com" rel="nofollow">AnandTech.com - Two New Ions: ASUS AT3N7A-I and ASRock Ion 330</a> [anandtech.com] </p><p> <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dual-core-atom-330,2141.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">TomsHardware.com - Does Intel's Dual-Core Atom Improve Efficiency?</a> [tomshardware.com] </p><p>I read the articles with a lot of interest but when I looked at the prices of these Ion based motherboard with well performing graphics chips I found that I wasn't interested in paying so much for a feature that would not be used very much in a server type PBX system.  Also some of these systems didn't have any PCI expansion slots so they were no good for my PBX type project.</p><p> <b>Processor - Intel Atom 330</b> </p><p>So I turned to look at other Mini-ITX based offerings and came across the good 'ol Intel Atom motherboards.  I found the Intel Atom 230, 270 based boards to be a little low performing in many of the benchmark results that I saw but that the dual core Intel Atom 330 chip was doing quite well for only a few dollars more and very little increase in power.  I looked at the offerings at my favorite retailer, Newegg and saw a nice list of choices.</p><p> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&amp;N=2010200446+1075720949&amp;QksAutoSuggestion=&amp;ShowDeactivatedMark=False&amp;Configurator=&amp;Subcategory=446&amp;description=&amp;Ntk=&amp;CFG=&amp;SpeTabStoreType=&amp;srchInDesc=" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Motherboards, Motherboard / CPU / VGA Combo - Mini ITX</a> [newegg.com] </p><p>I started my process of filtering so I ignored low powered systems that came with VIA C7 chips and the Intel Atom 230 chips.  I came up with these three choices.</p><p> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186184" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Foxconn 45CSX Intel Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail</a> [newegg.com] - $69.99 USD</p><p> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Intel BOXD945GCLF2D Intel Atom processor 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail</a> [newegg.com] - $79.99 USD</p><p> <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">ASUS AT3GC-I Intel Atom 330 479 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail</a> [newegg.com] - $89.99</p><p> <b>Motherboard - Intel D945GCLF2</b> </p><p>Out of these choices, I wasn't too thrilled with a Foxconn built motherboard because I had no experience with this company for any hardware.  I wasn't so sure that the extra money spent on the Asus motherboard is really going to offer anything at all, so the choice went down to Intel because I wanted reliability for a system that was being built for someone else.  I read a few good review of the Intel motherboard below.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Phone System PBX Project I had to build such a full-fledged system but one that had to be dependable , reliable , small , quiet , unobtrusive , long lasting , cool running , low-power , well performing , be built of standard parts , and be able to accept one PCI or PCIe expansion card for the telephone TDM interface for incoming FXO lines.I 'm in the process of setting up a phone system PBX with up to 4-incoming telephone lines and a phone menu system to provide basic business information ( e.g .
hours , address , directions , information , etc .
) for a friend 's business and also offer the standard features such as voice mail , faxing , internal analog extensions , VoIP capability for future expansion , customization , etc .
built on Linux using Elastix [ elastix.org ] that is based on Asterisk [ asterisk.org ] PBX .
Wishlist - PBX PC - Intel Atom 330 , 1GB DDR2 667 , OCZ Agility 30GB SSD , 120mm Fan , Apex Mini-ITX [ newegg.com ] - $ 316.94 USD Form Factor - Mini-ITX I checked out my favorite hardware review site AnandTech [ anandtech.com ] and read a number of articles about the new Mini-ITX form factor motherboards that came out to get an introduction to the form factor and expectations .
AnandTech.com - Two New Ions : ASUS AT3N7A-I and ASRock Ion 330 [ anandtech.com ] TomsHardware.com - Does Intel 's Dual-Core Atom Improve Efficiency ?
[ tomshardware.com ] I read the articles with a lot of interest but when I looked at the prices of these Ion based motherboard with well performing graphics chips I found that I was n't interested in paying so much for a feature that would not be used very much in a server type PBX system .
Also some of these systems did n't have any PCI expansion slots so they were no good for my PBX type project .
Processor - Intel Atom 330 So I turned to look at other Mini-ITX based offerings and came across the good 'ol Intel Atom motherboards .
I found the Intel Atom 230 , 270 based boards to be a little low performing in many of the benchmark results that I saw but that the dual core Intel Atom 330 chip was doing quite well for only a few dollars more and very little increase in power .
I looked at the offerings at my favorite retailer , Newegg and saw a nice list of choices .
Motherboards , Motherboard / CPU / VGA Combo - Mini ITX [ newegg.com ] I started my process of filtering so I ignored low powered systems that came with VIA C7 chips and the Intel Atom 230 chips .
I came up with these three choices .
Foxconn 45CSX Intel Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [ newegg.com ] - $ 69.99 USD Intel BOXD945GCLF2D Intel Atom processor 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [ newegg.com ] - $ 79.99 USD ASUS AT3GC-I Intel Atom 330 479 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [ newegg.com ] - $ 89.99 Motherboard - Intel D945GCLF2 Out of these choices , I was n't too thrilled with a Foxconn built motherboard because I had no experience with this company for any hardware .
I was n't so sure that the extra money spent on the Asus motherboard is really going to offer anything at all , so the choice went down to Intel because I wanted reliability for a system that was being built for someone else .
I read a few good review of the Intel motherboard below .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Phone System PBX Project I had to build such a full-fledged system but one that had to be dependable, reliable, small, quiet, unobtrusive, long lasting, cool running, low-power, well performing, be built of standard parts, and be able to accept one PCI or PCIe expansion card for the telephone TDM interface for incoming FXO lines.I'm in the process of setting up a phone system PBX with up to 4-incoming telephone lines and a phone menu system to provide basic business information (e.g.
hours, address, directions, information, etc.
) for a friend's business and also offer the standard features such as voice mail, faxing, internal analog extensions, VoIP capability for future expansion, customization, etc.
built on Linux using Elastix [elastix.org] that is based on Asterisk [asterisk.org] PBX.
Wishlist - PBX PC - Intel Atom 330, 1GB DDR2 667, OCZ Agility 30GB SSD, 120mm Fan, Apex Mini-ITX [newegg.com] - $316.94 USD

 Form Factor - Mini-ITX I checked out my favorite hardware review site AnandTech [anandtech.com] and read a number of articles about the new Mini-ITX form factor motherboards that came out to get an introduction to the form factor and expectations.
AnandTech.com - Two New Ions: ASUS AT3N7A-I and ASRock Ion 330 [anandtech.com]  TomsHardware.com - Does Intel's Dual-Core Atom Improve Efficiency?
[tomshardware.com] I read the articles with a lot of interest but when I looked at the prices of these Ion based motherboard with well performing graphics chips I found that I wasn't interested in paying so much for a feature that would not be used very much in a server type PBX system.
Also some of these systems didn't have any PCI expansion slots so they were no good for my PBX type project.
Processor - Intel Atom 330 So I turned to look at other Mini-ITX based offerings and came across the good 'ol Intel Atom motherboards.
I found the Intel Atom 230, 270 based boards to be a little low performing in many of the benchmark results that I saw but that the dual core Intel Atom 330 chip was doing quite well for only a few dollars more and very little increase in power.
I looked at the offerings at my favorite retailer, Newegg and saw a nice list of choices.
Motherboards, Motherboard / CPU / VGA Combo - Mini ITX [newegg.com] I started my process of filtering so I ignored low powered systems that came with VIA C7 chips and the Intel Atom 230 chips.
I came up with these three choices.
Foxconn 45CSX Intel Atom 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [newegg.com] - $69.99 USD Intel BOXD945GCLF2D Intel Atom processor 330 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [newegg.com] - $79.99 USD ASUS AT3GC-I Intel Atom 330 479 Intel 945GC Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo - Retail [newegg.com] - $89.99 Motherboard - Intel D945GCLF2 Out of these choices, I wasn't too thrilled with a Foxconn built motherboard because I had no experience with this company for any hardware.
I wasn't so sure that the extra money spent on the Asus motherboard is really going to offer anything at all, so the choice went down to Intel because I wanted reliability for a system that was being built for someone else.
I read a few good review of the Intel motherboard below.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29877445</id>
	<title>where did you get the 85w for the mac mini?</title>
	<author>telvox</author>
	<datestamp>1256551740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>our company did a lot of research into low power pc and ended up with the mac mini, our test shows about 21-25w while being used.  That's from the kill-a-watt attached to the machine and using it in a 24 hour setting.  Just wondering where you go the 85w number from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>our company did a lot of research into low power pc and ended up with the mac mini , our test shows about 21-25w while being used .
That 's from the kill-a-watt attached to the machine and using it in a 24 hour setting .
Just wondering where you go the 85w number from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our company did a lot of research into low power pc and ended up with the mac mini, our test shows about 21-25w while being used.
That's from the kill-a-watt attached to the machine and using it in a 24 hour setting.
Just wondering where you go the 85w number from.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865611</id>
	<title>Mac Mini power draw</title>
	<author>michael\_cain</author>
	<datestamp>1256495580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts, so that isn't an option either.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Measuring the power draw of my (admittedly four years old) Mini, I have trouble getting it up to 65 watts. And when not doing anything in particular, it fairly quickly drops off into the 15-20 watt range. Averaged over the whole day, it comes in pretty close to your 30-watt target. But even the minimum configuration costs much more than you want to spend, new. I would also comment that I have been regularly frustrated when porting assorted software packages to OSX; I find myself doing more and more "UNIX" things in a VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts , so that is n't an option either .
Measuring the power draw of my ( admittedly four years old ) Mini , I have trouble getting it up to 65 watts .
And when not doing anything in particular , it fairly quickly drops off into the 15-20 watt range .
Averaged over the whole day , it comes in pretty close to your 30-watt target .
But even the minimum configuration costs much more than you want to spend , new .
I would also comment that I have been regularly frustrated when porting assorted software packages to OSX ; I find myself doing more and more " UNIX " things in a VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Mac Mini draws about 85 Watts, so that isn't an option either.
Measuring the power draw of my (admittedly four years old) Mini, I have trouble getting it up to 65 watts.
And when not doing anything in particular, it fairly quickly drops off into the 15-20 watt range.
Averaged over the whole day, it comes in pretty close to your 30-watt target.
But even the minimum configuration costs much more than you want to spend, new.
I would also comment that I have been regularly frustrated when porting assorted software packages to OSX; I find myself doing more and more "UNIX" things in a VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870533</id>
	<title>Re:Atom 330 Desktop/Server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256555580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too run an atom 330 with ubuntu server, using the MSI Wind Nettop 100 barebones computer. I stuck in two 1 tb drives, using a converter for the cdrom to fit my second hdd. I've measured this to run 35w under load, and since I had the hdd's previously the rest of the machine cost me only $200. (I believe it was 140 for the nettop, $20 for the 2gb ram, $15 for the overpriced 5.25" converter all from newegg)</p><p>I also went further when I had bought the system to figure out that it costs me less than $4 a month to run it 24/7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too run an atom 330 with ubuntu server , using the MSI Wind Nettop 100 barebones computer .
I stuck in two 1 tb drives , using a converter for the cdrom to fit my second hdd .
I 've measured this to run 35w under load , and since I had the hdd 's previously the rest of the machine cost me only $ 200 .
( I believe it was 140 for the nettop , $ 20 for the 2gb ram , $ 15 for the overpriced 5.25 " converter all from newegg ) I also went further when I had bought the system to figure out that it costs me less than $ 4 a month to run it 24/7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too run an atom 330 with ubuntu server, using the MSI Wind Nettop 100 barebones computer.
I stuck in two 1 tb drives, using a converter for the cdrom to fit my second hdd.
I've measured this to run 35w under load, and since I had the hdd's previously the rest of the machine cost me only $200.
(I believe it was 140 for the nettop, $20 for the 2gb ram, $15 for the overpriced 5.25" converter all from newegg)I also went further when I had bought the system to figure out that it costs me less than $4 a month to run it 24/7.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865497</id>
	<title>eeebox</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1256494860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am using a eeebox at home as a file/web server and to do music and video in my living room.
The first models B202 uses around 30W of power and doesnot make much noise (eay less than my fridge). There is no optical drive. It can not render full HD but 720p can still be done.</p><p>It may not be what you are looking for, but I think it is a faire reference point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am using a eeebox at home as a file/web server and to do music and video in my living room .
The first models B202 uses around 30W of power and doesnot make much noise ( eay less than my fridge ) .
There is no optical drive .
It can not render full HD but 720p can still be done.It may not be what you are looking for , but I think it is a faire reference point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am using a eeebox at home as a file/web server and to do music and video in my living room.
The first models B202 uses around 30W of power and doesnot make much noise (eay less than my fridge).
There is no optical drive.
It can not render full HD but 720p can still be done.It may not be what you are looking for, but I think it is a faire reference point.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865753</id>
	<title>Dell Studio Hybrid</title>
	<author>joelgrimes</author>
	<datestamp>1256496720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running a Dell Studio Hybrid for 6 months. They're assembled from laptop parts so they're very low power. It's completely silent. It has a fan but I've never heard it. It's about the size of a mac mini and starts about $100 less. Looks very inconspicuous in the living room - more like stereo equipment than a computer.</p><p>I couldn't compare speed between it and the mac mini, but mine is running windows 7 (because I couldn't get Ubuntu to send sound through the HDMI to the TV) and 2 instances of Ubuntu simultaneously under Sun's Virtualbox and I've never had a speed problem except some sketchiness when running the blu-ray dvd player (regular dvd is fine, Hulu is fine).</p><p>It comes with a wireless keyboard and mouse that has a pretty good range - I use it from across the living room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running a Dell Studio Hybrid for 6 months .
They 're assembled from laptop parts so they 're very low power .
It 's completely silent .
It has a fan but I 've never heard it .
It 's about the size of a mac mini and starts about $ 100 less .
Looks very inconspicuous in the living room - more like stereo equipment than a computer.I could n't compare speed between it and the mac mini , but mine is running windows 7 ( because I could n't get Ubuntu to send sound through the HDMI to the TV ) and 2 instances of Ubuntu simultaneously under Sun 's Virtualbox and I 've never had a speed problem except some sketchiness when running the blu-ray dvd player ( regular dvd is fine , Hulu is fine ) .It comes with a wireless keyboard and mouse that has a pretty good range - I use it from across the living room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running a Dell Studio Hybrid for 6 months.
They're assembled from laptop parts so they're very low power.
It's completely silent.
It has a fan but I've never heard it.
It's about the size of a mac mini and starts about $100 less.
Looks very inconspicuous in the living room - more like stereo equipment than a computer.I couldn't compare speed between it and the mac mini, but mine is running windows 7 (because I couldn't get Ubuntu to send sound through the HDMI to the TV) and 2 instances of Ubuntu simultaneously under Sun's Virtualbox and I've never had a speed problem except some sketchiness when running the blu-ray dvd player (regular dvd is fine, Hulu is fine).It comes with a wireless keyboard and mouse that has a pretty good range - I use it from across the living room.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873757</id>
	<title>ASUS WL-520gU</title>
	<author>jomcty</author>
	<datestamp>1256578440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another worthy option is an <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320023&amp;Tpk=wl-520gu" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">ASUS WL-520gU</a> [newegg.com] flashed with Teddy\_Bear's wonderful <a href="http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60185" title="linksysinfo.org" rel="nofollow">Tomato ND USB Mod</a> [linksysinfo.org]. Plug a USB drive in and Bob's your Uncle!<br>
<br>
With built-in SAMBA/FTP/Print services, rock solid QoS support and many more features this combo is solid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another worthy option is an ASUS WL-520gU [ newegg.com ] flashed with Teddy \ _Bear 's wonderful Tomato ND USB Mod [ linksysinfo.org ] .
Plug a USB drive in and Bob 's your Uncle !
With built-in SAMBA/FTP/Print services , rock solid QoS support and many more features this combo is solid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another worthy option is an ASUS WL-520gU [newegg.com] flashed with Teddy\_Bear's wonderful Tomato ND USB Mod [linksysinfo.org].
Plug a USB drive in and Bob's your Uncle!
With built-in SAMBA/FTP/Print services, rock solid QoS support and many more features this combo is solid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865779</id>
	<title>atom  barebones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consider one of there:</p><p><a href="http://www.foxconnchannel.com/en-us/product/Barebones/series.aspx?platform\_id=en-gb0000003&amp;platform\_name=Barebone+" title="foxconnchannel.com">atom barebones </a> [foxconnchannel.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider one of there : atom barebones [ foxconnchannel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider one of there:atom barebones  [foxconnchannel.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872235</id>
	<title>Get a refurbished Mac mini.</title>
	<author>Domini</author>
	<datestamp>1256571000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your assumed power consumption of the mini sounds a bit like a maximum to me... it's more around 30W.</p><p>As for the price... I'm willing to sell my old single core for around $300 one day when I get the server model.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your assumed power consumption of the mini sounds a bit like a maximum to me... it 's more around 30W.As for the price... I 'm willing to sell my old single core for around $ 300 one day when I get the server model .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your assumed power consumption of the mini sounds a bit like a maximum to me... it's more around 30W.As for the price... I'm willing to sell my old single core for around $300 one day when I get the server model.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867431</id>
	<title>3.3V Small Enough?</title>
	<author>tunapez</author>
	<datestamp>1256468940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting device called the <a href="http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xport-pro.html" title="lantronix.com">Lantronix XPort Pro</a> [lantronix.com]. Claims to be the world's smallest linux network server. Don't know if it's functional enough to fit your needs. I love the Sheeva(mentioned numerous times earlier) and would be hard pressed to trade it in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting device called the Lantronix XPort Pro [ lantronix.com ] .
Claims to be the world 's smallest linux network server .
Do n't know if it 's functional enough to fit your needs .
I love the Sheeva ( mentioned numerous times earlier ) and would be hard pressed to trade it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting device called the Lantronix XPort Pro [lantronix.com].
Claims to be the world's smallest linux network server.
Don't know if it's functional enough to fit your needs.
I love the Sheeva(mentioned numerous times earlier) and would be hard pressed to trade it in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29877337</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256551200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you missed the part where the OP said he wanted something that wasn't a complete hack job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you missed the part where the OP said he wanted something that was n't a complete hack job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you missed the part where the OP said he wanted something that wasn't a complete hack job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29880409</id>
	<title>eepc as energy efficient home server?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256573220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have thought about using my eepc.700 It's keyboard, slow response, and smail screen make it less than ideal for desktop applications, but it has more memory a faster processor and almost as much storage space as my celeron medicino that I've been running for years. It also has long battery life which acts as a back up battery. Anyone using an eeepc as a home server?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have thought about using my eepc.700 It 's keyboard , slow response , and smail screen make it less than ideal for desktop applications , but it has more memory a faster processor and almost as much storage space as my celeron medicino that I 've been running for years .
It also has long battery life which acts as a back up battery .
Anyone using an eeepc as a home server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have thought about using my eepc.700 It's keyboard, slow response, and smail screen make it less than ideal for desktop applications, but it has more memory a faster processor and almost as much storage space as my celeron medicino that I've been running for years.
It also has long battery life which acts as a back up battery.
Anyone using an eeepc as a home server?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865815</id>
	<title>Acer Aspire Revo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$200 on amazon shipped.  Upgrade the RAM if you want but 120GB HD is probably enough.  Very low power consumption and virtually silent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 200 on amazon shipped .
Upgrade the RAM if you want but 120GB HD is probably enough .
Very low power consumption and virtually silent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$200 on amazon shipped.
Upgrade the RAM if you want but 120GB HD is probably enough.
Very low power consumption and virtually silent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870029</id>
	<title>Re:Bubba|TWO NAS server</title>
	<author>fallberg</author>
	<datestamp>1256548800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Bubba|Two at home. It is excellent. I use it with both a Drobo and SW RAID5 and although it is no number-cruncher it is capable enough to serve HD movie content through SMB as well as running Squeeze center and other nice server apps just fine. It is also small and silent just as advertised.
And since it allows root access through SSH, you can do pretty much anything you want with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Bubba | Two at home .
It is excellent .
I use it with both a Drobo and SW RAID5 and although it is no number-cruncher it is capable enough to serve HD movie content through SMB as well as running Squeeze center and other nice server apps just fine .
It is also small and silent just as advertised .
And since it allows root access through SSH , you can do pretty much anything you want with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Bubba|Two at home.
It is excellent.
I use it with both a Drobo and SW RAID5 and although it is no number-cruncher it is capable enough to serve HD movie content through SMB as well as running Squeeze center and other nice server apps just fine.
It is also small and silent just as advertised.
And since it allows root access through SSH, you can do pretty much anything you want with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865711</id>
	<title>Asus EEE or other netbook</title>
	<author>redelm</author>
	<datestamp>1256496360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a general (not compute) server, I'd recommend just using an inexpensive nettop like the Asus EEE.  I measure (Kill-o-watt meter) mine at 14W.  If you need more than SD cards for storage, get a USB external HD.  Or you could try some hacked NAS.</p><p>The nice thing about the nettop is you can take it with you if you want, or use it as a full machine my plugging in LCD monitor, kbd, and mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a general ( not compute ) server , I 'd recommend just using an inexpensive nettop like the Asus EEE .
I measure ( Kill-o-watt meter ) mine at 14W .
If you need more than SD cards for storage , get a USB external HD .
Or you could try some hacked NAS.The nice thing about the nettop is you can take it with you if you want , or use it as a full machine my plugging in LCD monitor , kbd , and mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a general (not compute) server, I'd recommend just using an inexpensive nettop like the Asus EEE.
I measure (Kill-o-watt meter) mine at 14W.
If you need more than SD cards for storage, get a USB external HD.
Or you could try some hacked NAS.The nice thing about the nettop is you can take it with you if you want, or use it as a full machine my plugging in LCD monitor, kbd, and mouse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867275</id>
	<title>Save $70 a year...</title>
	<author>recklez</author>
	<datestamp>1256467140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>really? And you think the recession did not touch you yet? I bet you could find a million ways to earn $70 within a year instead. I guess that would be too easy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>really ?
And you think the recession did not touch you yet ?
I bet you could find a million ways to earn $ 70 within a year instead .
I guess that would be too easy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really?
And you think the recession did not touch you yet?
I bet you could find a million ways to earn $70 within a year instead.
I guess that would be too easy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870487</id>
	<title>VIA C-7 Original power-sipper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256554800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out the VIA C-7 chips.  It sips power at ~25W under load, and still manages to serve files to 4 other systems.  The 6 Hard-drives I have spinning in the case for my RAID array more then make up for the power savings from the chip and board.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out the VIA C-7 chips .
It sips power at ~ 25W under load , and still manages to serve files to 4 other systems .
The 6 Hard-drives I have spinning in the case for my RAID array more then make up for the power savings from the chip and board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out the VIA C-7 chips.
It sips power at ~25W under load, and still manages to serve files to 4 other systems.
The 6 Hard-drives I have spinning in the case for my RAID array more then make up for the power savings from the chip and board.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866245</id>
	<title>Mobile parts are what you're looking for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was looking for something like this about a year ago to use as a router. Wound up finding one of these on Ebay for about $75:</p><p><a href="http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&amp;maincat\_no=1&amp;prod\_no=225" title="msi.com" rel="nofollow">http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&amp;maincat\_no=1&amp;prod\_no=225</a> [msi.com]</p><p>Socket M, mobile chipset. The whole thing wound up at around $250 with a CF card instead of a hard drive. It's fanless, completely silent, and my Kill-A-Watt says it's using about 24 watts. Way more stable than the typical junk router to boot - I've only rebooted it once in the last year and that was for an upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was looking for something like this about a year ago to use as a router .
Wound up finding one of these on Ebay for about $ 75 : http : //us.msi.com/index.php ? func = proddesc&amp;maincat \ _no = 1&amp;prod \ _no = 225 [ msi.com ] Socket M , mobile chipset .
The whole thing wound up at around $ 250 with a CF card instead of a hard drive .
It 's fanless , completely silent , and my Kill-A-Watt says it 's using about 24 watts .
Way more stable than the typical junk router to boot - I 've only rebooted it once in the last year and that was for an upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was looking for something like this about a year ago to use as a router.
Wound up finding one of these on Ebay for about $75:http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&amp;maincat\_no=1&amp;prod\_no=225 [msi.com]Socket M, mobile chipset.
The whole thing wound up at around $250 with a CF card instead of a hard drive.
It's fanless, completely silent, and my Kill-A-Watt says it's using about 24 watts.
Way more stable than the typical junk router to boot - I've only rebooted it once in the last year and that was for an upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866115</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1256499300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mac mini might draw a max 110W.  That's not the idle power usage.  Apple quotes that as 13W.  Max is if everything is running like CPU, graphics, HD, networking, etc. all at once.  Also the power might be sized higher than the Mac mini would actually ever use.   Since the power supply is not easily replaceable on the Mac mini, Apple might have sized the power supply for to allow for decent margin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The mac mini might draw a max 110W .
That 's not the idle power usage .
Apple quotes that as 13W .
Max is if everything is running like CPU , graphics , HD , networking , etc .
all at once .
Also the power might be sized higher than the Mac mini would actually ever use .
Since the power supply is not easily replaceable on the Mac mini , Apple might have sized the power supply for to allow for decent margin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mac mini might draw a max 110W.
That's not the idle power usage.
Apple quotes that as 13W.
Max is if everything is running like CPU, graphics, HD, networking, etc.
all at once.
Also the power might be sized higher than the Mac mini would actually ever use.
Since the power supply is not easily replaceable on the Mac mini, Apple might have sized the power supply for to allow for decent margin.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865603</id>
	<title>Bubba|TWO NAS server</title>
	<author>jomcty</author>
	<datestamp>1256495520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out the <a href="http://excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html" title="excito.com" rel="nofollow">Bubba|Two Server</a> [excito.com].  Its a PowerPC-based NAS running Debian Etch with with 2 x 1Gb ethernet ports, 2 x USB and 2 x eSATA ports.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out the Bubba | Two Server [ excito.com ] .
Its a PowerPC-based NAS running Debian Etch with with 2 x 1Gb ethernet ports , 2 x USB and 2 x eSATA ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out the Bubba|Two Server [excito.com].
Its a PowerPC-based NAS running Debian Etch with with 2 x 1Gb ethernet ports, 2 x USB and 2 x eSATA ports.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866649</id>
	<title>Consider the Fit-PC slim?</title>
	<author>rilister</author>
	<datestamp>1256503620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up one of these:<br><a href="http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc1/whats-new.html" title="fit-pc.com">http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc1/whats-new.html</a> [fit-pc.com]<br>for $200. It's running Ubuntu 8.04 with LXDE pretty reasonably and being an excellent Squeezebox Server. Peaks at 5W and is fanless, so it's virtually silent.<br>Previously I used an old laptop, but the fan whine drove me nuts and it was sucking 15-20W even at idle.<br>The 330Gb Hard drive cost me an extra $150 and it only works with parallel ATA, but worth a look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up one of these : http : //www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc1/whats-new.html [ fit-pc.com ] for $ 200 .
It 's running Ubuntu 8.04 with LXDE pretty reasonably and being an excellent Squeezebox Server .
Peaks at 5W and is fanless , so it 's virtually silent.Previously I used an old laptop , but the fan whine drove me nuts and it was sucking 15-20W even at idle.The 330Gb Hard drive cost me an extra $ 150 and it only works with parallel ATA , but worth a look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up one of these:http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc1/whats-new.html [fit-pc.com]for $200.
It's running Ubuntu 8.04 with LXDE pretty reasonably and being an excellent Squeezebox Server.
Peaks at 5W and is fanless, so it's virtually silent.Previously I used an old laptop, but the fan whine drove me nuts and it was sucking 15-20W even at idle.The 330Gb Hard drive cost me an extra $150 and it only works with parallel ATA, but worth a look.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867423</id>
	<title>Re:Don't expect ECC RAM</title>
	<author>HalfFlat</author>
	<datestamp>1256468880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I, too, would love to learn of some low-power fanless ECC-backed small servers.
The closest I found was an experimental MV78100 (ARM) based board that serves
<a href="http://www.linux-arm.org/Main/LinuxArmOrg" title="linux-arm.org">LinuxArmOrg</a> [linux-arm.org], which
according to <a href="http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2009/09/07/LinuxApacheOnARMProcessors.aspx" title="mvdirona.com">a
recent blog entry</a> [mvdirona.com] is using ECC RAM.
</p><p>
A <a href="http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/default,date,2009-10-07.aspx" title="mvdirona.com">later post</a> [mvdirona.com] by the same author points out that Atom just doesn't support ECC
at all, making it a poor choice for server applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I , too , would love to learn of some low-power fanless ECC-backed small servers .
The closest I found was an experimental MV78100 ( ARM ) based board that serves LinuxArmOrg [ linux-arm.org ] , which according to a recent blog entry [ mvdirona.com ] is using ECC RAM .
A later post [ mvdirona.com ] by the same author points out that Atom just does n't support ECC at all , making it a poor choice for server applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I, too, would love to learn of some low-power fanless ECC-backed small servers.
The closest I found was an experimental MV78100 (ARM) based board that serves
LinuxArmOrg [linux-arm.org], which
according to a
recent blog entry [mvdirona.com] is using ECC RAM.
A later post [mvdirona.com] by the same author points out that Atom just doesn't support ECC
at all, making it a poor choice for server applications.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868793</id>
	<title>Re:PicoITX from VIA</title>
	<author>vu2lid</author>
	<datestamp>1256487180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use one of the older motherboards from VIA (VIA PC-1 PC2500 uses C7 CPU - FlexATX - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA\_pc-1\_Initiative" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA\_pc-1\_Initiative</a> [wikipedia.org] ) with a minibox M3ATX ( <a href="http://www.mini-box.com/M3-ATX-DC-DC-ATX-Automotive-Computer-car-PC-Power-Supply" title="mini-box.com">http://www.mini-box.com/M3-ATX-DC-DC-ATX-Automotive-Computer-car-PC-Power-Supply</a> [mini-box.com] ) powersupply to run the whole system from battery (13.8V DC). The system uses a microdrive/SSD for booting with a standard Debian X86 install.</p><p>With 2G RAM power consumption is approximately 25W. It handles remote desktop, webserver, live multiple VOIP audio streams,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... with a lot of reserve power left. This is a remote unattended system (no physical access) - It has been running almost continuously for the past more than 2 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use one of the older motherboards from VIA ( VIA PC-1 PC2500 uses C7 CPU - FlexATX - http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA \ _pc-1 \ _Initiative [ wikipedia.org ] ) with a minibox M3ATX ( http : //www.mini-box.com/M3-ATX-DC-DC-ATX-Automotive-Computer-car-PC-Power-Supply [ mini-box.com ] ) powersupply to run the whole system from battery ( 13.8V DC ) .
The system uses a microdrive/SSD for booting with a standard Debian X86 install.With 2G RAM power consumption is approximately 25W .
It handles remote desktop , webserver , live multiple VOIP audio streams , ... with a lot of reserve power left .
This is a remote unattended system ( no physical access ) - It has been running almost continuously for the past more than 2 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use one of the older motherboards from VIA (VIA PC-1 PC2500 uses C7 CPU - FlexATX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA\_pc-1\_Initiative [wikipedia.org] ) with a minibox M3ATX ( http://www.mini-box.com/M3-ATX-DC-DC-ATX-Automotive-Computer-car-PC-Power-Supply [mini-box.com] ) powersupply to run the whole system from battery (13.8V DC).
The system uses a microdrive/SSD for booting with a standard Debian X86 install.With 2G RAM power consumption is approximately 25W.
It handles remote desktop, webserver, live multiple VOIP audio streams, ... with a lot of reserve power left.
This is a remote unattended system (no physical access) - It has been running almost continuously for the past more than 2 years.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865807</id>
	<title>NSLU2 embedded solution: ~$225 new</title>
	<author>N0NCE</author>
	<datestamp>1256497140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.nslu2-linux.org/" title="nslu2-linux.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nslu2-linux.org/</a> [nslu2-linux.org]
<br> <br>
New device: ~$110<br>
New 320 GB 2.5" HardDrive: ~$90<br>
New 2.5" HD Carrier: ~$25<br>
<br>
Total: ~$225, AND good binary support</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.nslu2-linux.org/ [ nslu2-linux.org ] New device : ~ $ 110 New 320 GB 2.5 " HardDrive : ~ $ 90 New 2.5 " HD Carrier : ~ $ 25 Total : ~ $ 225 , AND good binary support</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ [nslu2-linux.org]
 
New device: ~$110
New 320 GB 2.5" HardDrive: ~$90
New 2.5" HD Carrier: ~$25

Total: ~$225, AND good binary support</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866785</id>
	<title>Fit-PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256461620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fit-PC will do everything you want at about 5W.<br>The old version has been on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. before and of course you can google for more info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fit-PC will do everything you want at about 5W.The old version has been on / .
before and of course you can google for more info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fit-PC will do everything you want at about 5W.The old version has been on /.
before and of course you can google for more info.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865557</id>
	<title>Save power in other ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would bet that your 100 watt server running 24/7 is just a small fraction or your overall usage.
<p>
Save money in other places first, have you replaced all your light bulbs with CFL's yet?  You won't notice the difference between a 100 watt incandescent and the equivelant 24 watt CFL, but you probably will notice the difference between a 100 and 30 watt server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would bet that your 100 watt server running 24/7 is just a small fraction or your overall usage .
Save money in other places first , have you replaced all your light bulbs with CFL 's yet ?
You wo n't notice the difference between a 100 watt incandescent and the equivelant 24 watt CFL , but you probably will notice the difference between a 100 and 30 watt server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would bet that your 100 watt server running 24/7 is just a small fraction or your overall usage.
Save money in other places first, have you replaced all your light bulbs with CFL's yet?
You won't notice the difference between a 100 watt incandescent and the equivelant 24 watt CFL, but you probably will notice the difference between a 100 and 30 watt server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867351</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1256468100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you can physically disconnect the most power hungry part of the monitor....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you can physically disconnect the most power hungry part of the monitor... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you can physically disconnect the most power hungry part of the monitor....</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870369</id>
	<title>Slimline desktop</title>
	<author>mutu310</author>
	<datestamp>1256553360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try looking for an old slimline desktop PC from eBay. Some have very low specs. I personally bought 12 of these when I found them at a real bargain price. The model I have is IBM Netvista A40p, I bought them for around $35 each (including shipping from Germany) and they have 1GHz and 256MB RAM. I guess when saving is what you want, buying new hardware kind of defies the point. These do the trick, and their usage is low (when I did some tests I saw around 25W usage).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try looking for an old slimline desktop PC from eBay .
Some have very low specs .
I personally bought 12 of these when I found them at a real bargain price .
The model I have is IBM Netvista A40p , I bought them for around $ 35 each ( including shipping from Germany ) and they have 1GHz and 256MB RAM .
I guess when saving is what you want , buying new hardware kind of defies the point .
These do the trick , and their usage is low ( when I did some tests I saw around 25W usage ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try looking for an old slimline desktop PC from eBay.
Some have very low specs.
I personally bought 12 of these when I found them at a real bargain price.
The model I have is IBM Netvista A40p, I bought them for around $35 each (including shipping from Germany) and they have 1GHz and 256MB RAM.
I guess when saving is what you want, buying new hardware kind of defies the point.
These do the trick, and their usage is low (when I did some tests I saw around 25W usage).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867053</id>
	<title>Check your current power consumption first</title>
	<author>Fencepost</author>
	<datestamp>1256464320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're talking about dropping from 100W down to 30, but what if you're really only consuming 45 regularly right now? Is it worth it for a 15W drop in consumption?<br><br>There are a huge number of posts in here talking about the Mac Mini and peak vs normal draw, but they're missing the point that *YOUR* normal draw may be much lower than you think, and there may be power saving features that you're not using that could lower it further. For example, if you're running DD-WRT or another aftermarket firmware on your router, you may be able to set things up to power your system down and use Wake On LAN to wake the system up remotely when you need it.<br><br>Of course, if you're using one of those routers with USB support you may be able to attach your external storage to it, though you may actually lose some power management features depending on how you do it and expect to have a much more limited range of capabilities.<br><br>A Kill-A-Watt or a good UPS should both be able to give you some idea of your current draw.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're talking about dropping from 100W down to 30 , but what if you 're really only consuming 45 regularly right now ?
Is it worth it for a 15W drop in consumption ? There are a huge number of posts in here talking about the Mac Mini and peak vs normal draw , but they 're missing the point that * YOUR * normal draw may be much lower than you think , and there may be power saving features that you 're not using that could lower it further .
For example , if you 're running DD-WRT or another aftermarket firmware on your router , you may be able to set things up to power your system down and use Wake On LAN to wake the system up remotely when you need it.Of course , if you 're using one of those routers with USB support you may be able to attach your external storage to it , though you may actually lose some power management features depending on how you do it and expect to have a much more limited range of capabilities.A Kill-A-Watt or a good UPS should both be able to give you some idea of your current draw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're talking about dropping from 100W down to 30, but what if you're really only consuming 45 regularly right now?
Is it worth it for a 15W drop in consumption?There are a huge number of posts in here talking about the Mac Mini and peak vs normal draw, but they're missing the point that *YOUR* normal draw may be much lower than you think, and there may be power saving features that you're not using that could lower it further.
For example, if you're running DD-WRT or another aftermarket firmware on your router, you may be able to set things up to power your system down and use Wake On LAN to wake the system up remotely when you need it.Of course, if you're using one of those routers with USB support you may be able to attach your external storage to it, though you may actually lose some power management features depending on how you do it and expect to have a much more limited range of capabilities.A Kill-A-Watt or a good UPS should both be able to give you some idea of your current draw.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866983</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>madbavarian</author>
	<datestamp>1256463600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never had a problem with the lid closed as long as I put the laptop on end with the exhaust port facing up.  You do want to allow convection to cool the thing.  Keeping it flat with the lid closed is going to be the worst possible orientation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never had a problem with the lid closed as long as I put the laptop on end with the exhaust port facing up .
You do want to allow convection to cool the thing .
Keeping it flat with the lid closed is going to be the worst possible orientation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never had a problem with the lid closed as long as I put the laptop on end with the exhaust port facing up.
You do want to allow convection to cool the thing.
Keeping it flat with the lid closed is going to be the worst possible orientation.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865515</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is Apples's spec on the power usage: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468" title="apple.com">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468</a> [apple.com]</p><p>I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.</p><p>Fit-PC2 (Intel Atom) uses only 6W at idle, 8W full load.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is Apples 's spec on the power usage : http : //support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [ apple.com ] I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.Fit-PC2 ( Intel Atom ) uses only 6W at idle , 8W full load .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is Apples's spec on the power usage: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [apple.com]I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.Fit-PC2 (Intel Atom) uses only 6W at idle, 8W full load.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873373</id>
	<title>mini-itx atom system</title>
	<author>marros</author>
	<datestamp>1256576400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just pieced together a dual-core atom 1.6 GHz system with 2 GB Ram, 160GB 2.5" drive and an ASUS case with external power supply. The PS unit will only draw 60 watts at max, and so at idle, would much less than this. It doesn't have an optical drive or wireless, but as an asterisk server and NAS box (with 7 USB ports, I can add as much temp space as necessary), it rocks and I have put Fedora 11 on it. All for $300 CDN.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just pieced together a dual-core atom 1.6 GHz system with 2 GB Ram , 160GB 2.5 " drive and an ASUS case with external power supply .
The PS unit will only draw 60 watts at max , and so at idle , would much less than this .
It does n't have an optical drive or wireless , but as an asterisk server and NAS box ( with 7 USB ports , I can add as much temp space as necessary ) , it rocks and I have put Fedora 11 on it .
All for $ 300 CDN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just pieced together a dual-core atom 1.6 GHz system with 2 GB Ram, 160GB 2.5" drive and an ASUS case with external power supply.
The PS unit will only draw 60 watts at max, and so at idle, would much less than this.
It doesn't have an optical drive or wireless, but as an asterisk server and NAS box (with 7 USB ports, I can add as much temp space as necessary), it rocks and I have put Fedora 11 on it.
All for $300 CDN.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866329</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>TeknoHog</author>
	<datestamp>1256500860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seconded, I have a <a href="http://iki.fi/teknohog/hardware/kasj/" title="iki.fi">Linkstation Live running Gentoo</a> [iki.fi].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seconded , I have a Linkstation Live running Gentoo [ iki.fi ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seconded, I have a Linkstation Live running Gentoo [iki.fi].</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866655</id>
	<title>What level of performance do you expect?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1256503740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an AMD Geode LX 800-based system (DT168) which I got from eBay. It's got a 1GB flash and IIRC 3xUSB2. I get real-world 7MBps over 100baseTx using Samba, XFS, MyBook 1TB. It's got 512MB RAM which is enough for "most" tasks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an AMD Geode LX 800-based system ( DT168 ) which I got from eBay .
It 's got a 1GB flash and IIRC 3xUSB2 .
I get real-world 7MBps over 100baseTx using Samba , XFS , MyBook 1TB .
It 's got 512MB RAM which is enough for " most " tasks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an AMD Geode LX 800-based system (DT168) which I got from eBay.
It's got a 1GB flash and IIRC 3xUSB2.
I get real-world 7MBps over 100baseTx using Samba, XFS, MyBook 1TB.
It's got 512MB RAM which is enough for "most" tasks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867039</id>
	<title>PC Engine Alix 2d3</title>
	<author>BuGless</author>
	<datestamp>1256464140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can recommend the Alix boards.  They are very well designed and draw 3 Watt on average, 5 Watt peak at 100\% CPU.  I've used them with Voyage, which works very well, and I'm in the process of releasing an alix-customised Debian distribution which will provide a richer environment than Voyage, yet still provides facilities as fall-back flash and network boot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can recommend the Alix boards .
They are very well designed and draw 3 Watt on average , 5 Watt peak at 100 \ % CPU .
I 've used them with Voyage , which works very well , and I 'm in the process of releasing an alix-customised Debian distribution which will provide a richer environment than Voyage , yet still provides facilities as fall-back flash and network boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can recommend the Alix boards.
They are very well designed and draw 3 Watt on average, 5 Watt peak at 100\% CPU.
I've used them with Voyage, which works very well, and I'm in the process of releasing an alix-customised Debian distribution which will provide a richer environment than Voyage, yet still provides facilities as fall-back flash and network boot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865463</id>
	<title>Turn off your server and hold your breath</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Splitter!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Splitter !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Splitter!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872917</id>
	<title>Forget the Mac Mini, this is what U want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256574420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At 8Watts max. this is what you need.  http://www.fit-pc.com/web/</p><p>Too cool!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 8Watts max .
this is what you need .
http : //www.fit-pc.com/web/Too cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 8Watts max.
this is what you need.
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/Too cool!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876449</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256547960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great indeed.  I run mine with a WD Passport drive, which spins itself down.  When spun down, my system draws very little power, is cool to the touch, and is totally silent.  Total cost, about $200.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great indeed .
I run mine with a WD Passport drive , which spins itself down .
When spun down , my system draws very little power , is cool to the touch , and is totally silent .
Total cost , about $ 200 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great indeed.
I run mine with a WD Passport drive, which spins itself down.
When spun down, my system draws very little power, is cool to the touch, and is totally silent.
Total cost, about $200.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868487</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256483220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it. About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit.</p></div><p>That board draws 35 WATTS when idle, because it doesn't have mobile chipsets.</p><p>But I second an Atom as server idea.  A laptop with screen off and idle draws ~6 watts and the fan doesn't run (audibly, it might be spinning say 500-1k rpm), includes a UPS, built-in screen, and can be used for other things if you travel, etc). An Atom nettop would be even better since it's designed to be left on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it .
About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit.That board draws 35 WATTS when idle , because it does n't have mobile chipsets.But I second an Atom as server idea .
A laptop with screen off and idle draws ~ 6 watts and the fan does n't run ( audibly , it might be spinning say 500-1k rpm ) , includes a UPS , built-in screen , and can be used for other things if you travel , etc ) .
An Atom nettop would be even better since it 's designed to be left on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is also a intel board that has the 330 on it.
About the same power draw and dual proc and 64 bit.That board draws 35 WATTS when idle, because it doesn't have mobile chipsets.But I second an Atom as server idea.
A laptop with screen off and idle draws ~6 watts and the fan doesn't run (audibly, it might be spinning say 500-1k rpm), includes a UPS, built-in screen, and can be used for other things if you travel, etc).
An Atom nettop would be even better since it's designed to be left on.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866525</id>
	<title>Bubba home server from Excito</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My father uses a Bubba home server from http://www.excito.com , I've tried it and it has some nice features:<br>* It is shipped as a turnkey ready system that is built around an ARM processor a Debian distribution.<br>* It has the standard set of features like fileserver, print server, bit torrent slave, firewall etc. out of the box.<br>* Excito hasn&rsquo;t placed any restrictions to what you can do with the software; you can replace the distribution that it is shipped with or customize it through a root shell.<br>* It is quiet! The HDD is the only source of noise (and it can be shipped with SSD).<br>* Good looking in my opinion. It is a discreet black box with the same "soft touch" paint as on ThinkPads.</p><p>I have been looking for a low power server too but decided to not go with the Bubba since I would like to have a video output. I&rsquo;m looking at the Intel D945GSEJT Atom board &ndash; it does not have a fan and can be powered with a 12 V power supply (e.g. no ATX PSU needed).</p><p>If full-HD video is desirable I would have a look at some boards with Nvidia ION chipsets. I know that Asus and Zotac builds Atom + ION boards, but I haven&rsquo;t looked in to it myself.</p><p>So, my recommendations are:<br>* Bubba for a turnkey ready system.<br>* Intel Atom board for the hacker.<br>* Atom board with ION chipset for the media centre.</p><p>Good luck with your server!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My father uses a Bubba home server from http : //www.excito.com , I 've tried it and it has some nice features : * It is shipped as a turnkey ready system that is built around an ARM processor a Debian distribution .
* It has the standard set of features like fileserver , print server , bit torrent slave , firewall etc .
out of the box .
* Excito hasn    t placed any restrictions to what you can do with the software ; you can replace the distribution that it is shipped with or customize it through a root shell .
* It is quiet !
The HDD is the only source of noise ( and it can be shipped with SSD ) .
* Good looking in my opinion .
It is a discreet black box with the same " soft touch " paint as on ThinkPads.I have been looking for a low power server too but decided to not go with the Bubba since I would like to have a video output .
I    m looking at the Intel D945GSEJT Atom board    it does not have a fan and can be powered with a 12 V power supply ( e.g .
no ATX PSU needed ) .If full-HD video is desirable I would have a look at some boards with Nvidia ION chipsets .
I know that Asus and Zotac builds Atom + ION boards , but I haven    t looked in to it myself.So , my recommendations are : * Bubba for a turnkey ready system .
* Intel Atom board for the hacker .
* Atom board with ION chipset for the media centre.Good luck with your server !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father uses a Bubba home server from http://www.excito.com , I've tried it and it has some nice features:* It is shipped as a turnkey ready system that is built around an ARM processor a Debian distribution.
* It has the standard set of features like fileserver, print server, bit torrent slave, firewall etc.
out of the box.
* Excito hasn’t placed any restrictions to what you can do with the software; you can replace the distribution that it is shipped with or customize it through a root shell.
* It is quiet!
The HDD is the only source of noise (and it can be shipped with SSD).
* Good looking in my opinion.
It is a discreet black box with the same "soft touch" paint as on ThinkPads.I have been looking for a low power server too but decided to not go with the Bubba since I would like to have a video output.
I’m looking at the Intel D945GSEJT Atom board – it does not have a fan and can be powered with a 12 V power supply (e.g.
no ATX PSU needed).If full-HD video is desirable I would have a look at some boards with Nvidia ION chipsets.
I know that Asus and Zotac builds Atom + ION boards, but I haven’t looked in to it myself.So, my recommendations are:* Bubba for a turnkey ready system.
* Intel Atom board for the hacker.
* Atom board with ION chipset for the media centre.Good luck with your server!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866623</id>
	<title>Re:So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if going to a new system would save $70 a year, how much would a new system cost?  $300?  So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off.  My advice?  Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it's not really that cost effective.</p></div><p>I think it might be cost effective.  It looks to me like this is a tax free, guaranteed 23\% return on investment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if going to a new system would save $ 70 a year , how much would a new system cost ?
$ 300 ? So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off .
My advice ?
Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it 's not really that cost effective.I think it might be cost effective .
It looks to me like this is a tax free , guaranteed 23 \ % return on investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if going to a new system would save $70 a year, how much would a new system cost?
$300?  So it would take 4 yrs just to pay off.
My advice?
Go with a old p3 laptop with external USB drives or forget the whole thing because it's not really that cost effective.I think it might be cost effective.
It looks to me like this is a tax free, guaranteed 23\% return on investment.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867011</id>
	<title>solar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256464020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 2 low power servers running.  One is a Mac mini with regular MacOS X with a few extra apps running as a file server, web server, and a few other fucntions.  The other is an EeeBox running CentOS 4.7 as a DHCP, DNS, &amp; NIS server.  The Mac uses very little power (~15w idle, ~60w average) unless heavily taxed.  The Eee uses much less running the Atom processor, and the itty bitty power supply.</p><p>Either way, or even instead of these boxen you could run a standard PC... Just buy a single high power solar panel and have no power bill at all.  (The panel will pay for itself over time.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 2 low power servers running .
One is a Mac mini with regular MacOS X with a few extra apps running as a file server , web server , and a few other fucntions .
The other is an EeeBox running CentOS 4.7 as a DHCP , DNS , &amp; NIS server .
The Mac uses very little power ( ~ 15w idle , ~ 60w average ) unless heavily taxed .
The Eee uses much less running the Atom processor , and the itty bitty power supply.Either way , or even instead of these boxen you could run a standard PC... Just buy a single high power solar panel and have no power bill at all .
( The panel will pay for itself over time .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 2 low power servers running.
One is a Mac mini with regular MacOS X with a few extra apps running as a file server, web server, and a few other fucntions.
The other is an EeeBox running CentOS 4.7 as a DHCP, DNS, &amp; NIS server.
The Mac uses very little power (~15w idle, ~60w average) unless heavily taxed.
The Eee uses much less running the Atom processor, and the itty bitty power supply.Either way, or even instead of these boxen you could run a standard PC... Just buy a single high power solar panel and have no power bill at all.
(The panel will pay for itself over time.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872203</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256570940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>25-30w is what I get from my UPS when I turn the mini on and actually use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>25-30w is what I get from my UPS when I turn the mini on and actually use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>25-30w is what I get from my UPS when I turn the mini on and actually use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865909</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866379</id>
	<title>Solar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256501340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read about "green" data centers, but has anyone tried solar panels for a SOHO?  The costs are half from 2 years ago, and still falling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read about " green " data centers , but has anyone tried solar panels for a SOHO ?
The costs are half from 2 years ago , and still falling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read about "green" data centers, but has anyone tried solar panels for a SOHO?
The costs are half from 2 years ago, and still falling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866123</id>
	<title>NEW Apple Mini Server Edition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256499360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Apple Insider has an inside look and comparison of the new Apple Mini Server -- http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/24/inside\_apples\_new\_mac\_mini\_server.html -- compares to PC (windows) based server solutions noting initial costs compared to added server costs but does not really compare to Linux. Not exactly in the price range of that but might be easier for a home administrator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple Insider has an inside look and comparison of the new Apple Mini Server -- http : //www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/24/inside \ _apples \ _new \ _mac \ _mini \ _server.html -- compares to PC ( windows ) based server solutions noting initial costs compared to added server costs but does not really compare to Linux .
Not exactly in the price range of that but might be easier for a home administrator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple Insider has an inside look and comparison of the new Apple Mini Server -- http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/24/inside\_apples\_new\_mac\_mini\_server.html -- compares to PC (windows) based server solutions noting initial costs compared to added server costs but does not really compare to Linux.
Not exactly in the price range of that but might be easier for a home administrator.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865867</id>
	<title>Get a netbook</title>
	<author>grotgrot</author>
	<datestamp>1256497560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netbooks currently go for $300 and are low power.  As a bonus they have a builtin screen and keyboard (obviating the need for a KVM) and also have a builtin UPS (aka battery).  Use small bus powered external USB drives for extra storage.  You can even make them a router/firewall/access point since they have wired and wireless interfaces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks currently go for $ 300 and are low power .
As a bonus they have a builtin screen and keyboard ( obviating the need for a KVM ) and also have a builtin UPS ( aka battery ) .
Use small bus powered external USB drives for extra storage .
You can even make them a router/firewall/access point since they have wired and wireless interfaces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks currently go for $300 and are low power.
As a bonus they have a builtin screen and keyboard (obviating the need for a KVM) and also have a builtin UPS (aka battery).
Use small bus powered external USB drives for extra storage.
You can even make them a router/firewall/access point since they have wired and wireless interfaces.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866809</id>
	<title>Saving Money...yeah.</title>
	<author>Anarchduke</author>
	<datestamp>1256461920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Okay, so lets look at this plan of yours to save money.<br>
You are going to spend $300 on a low power webserver in order to save you seventy dollars per year on your electricity bill.  You will still be spending approximately $30 per year on your new low powered webserver.<br>
<br>
So, 300 + 30/yr after 7 years is 510 dollars<br> <br>
The savings of 70/yr after 7 years is 490 dollars.<br> <br>

After seven years of having a lower powered webserver, you will still be spending more money on your solution than on your problem.  If you that concerned about saving money, you might just turn off your webserver.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , so lets look at this plan of yours to save money .
You are going to spend $ 300 on a low power webserver in order to save you seventy dollars per year on your electricity bill .
You will still be spending approximately $ 30 per year on your new low powered webserver .
So , 300 + 30/yr after 7 years is 510 dollars The savings of 70/yr after 7 years is 490 dollars .
After seven years of having a lower powered webserver , you will still be spending more money on your solution than on your problem .
If you that concerned about saving money , you might just turn off your webserver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, so lets look at this plan of yours to save money.
You are going to spend $300 on a low power webserver in order to save you seventy dollars per year on your electricity bill.
You will still be spending approximately $30 per year on your new low powered webserver.
So, 300 + 30/yr after 7 years is 510 dollars 
The savings of 70/yr after 7 years is 490 dollars.
After seven years of having a lower powered webserver, you will still be spending more money on your solution than on your problem.
If you that concerned about saving money, you might just turn off your webserver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866417</id>
	<title>Two hard drives?</title>
	<author>larien</author>
	<datestamp>1256501640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be honest, I've looked at a lot of these low power systems, but almost all of them run only a single hard disk.  As the main point of these servers is for file serving, it seems remiss to not have some kind of mirroring of disks.  Anyone got a good solution which supports two (or more) hard drives?</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , I 've looked at a lot of these low power systems , but almost all of them run only a single hard disk .
As the main point of these servers is for file serving , it seems remiss to not have some kind of mirroring of disks .
Anyone got a good solution which supports two ( or more ) hard drives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, I've looked at a lot of these low power systems, but almost all of them run only a single hard disk.
As the main point of these servers is for file serving, it seems remiss to not have some kind of mirroring of disks.
Anyone got a good solution which supports two (or more) hard drives?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865661</id>
	<title>amd geode or intel atom boards would fit...</title>
	<author>Ruede</author>
	<datestamp>1256495940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>amd geode is really slow but takes about 5 - 10 watts. i use it as a router and want to put more stuff on it soon.</p><p>intel atom takes up to 40 watts iirc but is kinda fast compared to amd geode. also there is a big variety of boards out there. some are shipped with a pci-e16x slot - you could add a raid controller or something like that...</p><p>also the atom boards with the nvidia ION brand can do HDTV playback - so it would also be applicable as a media center...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>amd geode is really slow but takes about 5 - 10 watts .
i use it as a router and want to put more stuff on it soon.intel atom takes up to 40 watts iirc but is kinda fast compared to amd geode .
also there is a big variety of boards out there .
some are shipped with a pci-e16x slot - you could add a raid controller or something like that...also the atom boards with the nvidia ION brand can do HDTV playback - so it would also be applicable as a media center.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>amd geode is really slow but takes about 5 - 10 watts.
i use it as a router and want to put more stuff on it soon.intel atom takes up to 40 watts iirc but is kinda fast compared to amd geode.
also there is a big variety of boards out there.
some are shipped with a pci-e16x slot - you could add a raid controller or something like that...also the atom boards with the nvidia ION brand can do HDTV playback - so it would also be applicable as a media center...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866583</id>
	<title>NetTop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just get a NetTop:</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just get a NetTop : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just get a NetTop:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871557</id>
	<title>save money AND be green!</title>
	<author>capsteve</author>
	<datestamp>1256567280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>re-use and older system.
<p>
sure, it lacks the sexiness of the shivaplug/microclient/terrastation/etc, but you would get much more value for a similar cost by re-using slightly older technology. more than likely you'll have  a faster CPU capable of heavy lifting, the choice of boot media (cdrom, floppy, CF, usb, HDD), the ablity to install you favorite distro, and hardware expansion won't be as difficult as it will with these compact systems.
</p><p>
TCO includes service and repair, not just initial purchase and operating expenses.
how easy is it to purchase a replacement PS of a shivaplug?
how quickly can you get that replacement component shipped to you?
</p><p>
build an ulgy box, and hide it in your closet/basement/attic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>re-use and older system .
sure , it lacks the sexiness of the shivaplug/microclient/terrastation/etc , but you would get much more value for a similar cost by re-using slightly older technology .
more than likely you 'll have a faster CPU capable of heavy lifting , the choice of boot media ( cdrom , floppy , CF , usb , HDD ) , the ablity to install you favorite distro , and hardware expansion wo n't be as difficult as it will with these compact systems .
TCO includes service and repair , not just initial purchase and operating expenses .
how easy is it to purchase a replacement PS of a shivaplug ?
how quickly can you get that replacement component shipped to you ?
build an ulgy box , and hide it in your closet/basement/attic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>re-use and older system.
sure, it lacks the sexiness of the shivaplug/microclient/terrastation/etc, but you would get much more value for a similar cost by re-using slightly older technology.
more than likely you'll have  a faster CPU capable of heavy lifting, the choice of boot media (cdrom, floppy, CF, usb, HDD), the ablity to install you favorite distro, and hardware expansion won't be as difficult as it will with these compact systems.
TCO includes service and repair, not just initial purchase and operating expenses.
how easy is it to purchase a replacement PS of a shivaplug?
how quickly can you get that replacement component shipped to you?
build an ulgy box, and hide it in your closet/basement/attic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29874139</id>
	<title>ROI for 75 bucks?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256580300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that in the 4 years it will take to return on your investment, you'll probably either:</p><p>1) No longer be concerned about $75 a year because the economy is decent again<br>OR<br>2) No longer be concerned about "power" because nobody has electric anymore, and our country is in shambles, with people stabbing each other for food.</p><p>Just a thought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that in the 4 years it will take to return on your investment , you 'll probably either : 1 ) No longer be concerned about $ 75 a year because the economy is decent againOR2 ) No longer be concerned about " power " because nobody has electric anymore , and our country is in shambles , with people stabbing each other for food.Just a thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that in the 4 years it will take to return on your investment, you'll probably either:1) No longer be concerned about $75 a year because the economy is decent againOR2) No longer be concerned about "power" because nobody has electric anymore, and our country is in shambles, with people stabbing each other for food.Just a thought.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867139</id>
	<title>Soekris</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1256465220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.soekris.com/" title="soekris.com">Soekris Engineering</a> [soekris.com] makes some great low-power hardware in your price range.  They use AMD Geode processors.  I have a net4526 as a home router, and according to my Kill-A-Watt, it uses about 1W on average, in a "diskless" setup (boots from CF card, and runs most things from RAMdisk).  They're designed to operate primarily over the serial port.  The net5501, which we have at few of at work, are basically the speed of a Pentium II.  Not bad for such a low-power device.  I run OpenBSD on mine, and we have FreeBSD on a couple at work (FreeBSD has drivers for the Sangoma E1/T1 card), but according to their website you can run Linux on it as well.  The newer ones even have temperature and voltage sensors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Soekris Engineering [ soekris.com ] makes some great low-power hardware in your price range .
They use AMD Geode processors .
I have a net4526 as a home router , and according to my Kill-A-Watt , it uses about 1W on average , in a " diskless " setup ( boots from CF card , and runs most things from RAMdisk ) .
They 're designed to operate primarily over the serial port .
The net5501 , which we have at few of at work , are basically the speed of a Pentium II .
Not bad for such a low-power device .
I run OpenBSD on mine , and we have FreeBSD on a couple at work ( FreeBSD has drivers for the Sangoma E1/T1 card ) , but according to their website you can run Linux on it as well .
The newer ones even have temperature and voltage sensors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soekris Engineering [soekris.com] makes some great low-power hardware in your price range.
They use AMD Geode processors.
I have a net4526 as a home router, and according to my Kill-A-Watt, it uses about 1W on average, in a "diskless" setup (boots from CF card, and runs most things from RAMdisk).
They're designed to operate primarily over the serial port.
The net5501, which we have at few of at work, are basically the speed of a Pentium II.
Not bad for such a low-power device.
I run OpenBSD on mine, and we have FreeBSD on a couple at work (FreeBSD has drivers for the Sangoma E1/T1 card), but according to their website you can run Linux on it as well.
The newer ones even have temperature and voltage sensors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865531</id>
	<title>Mac Mini or Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>IceFox</author>
	<datestamp>1256494980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently went through the same search, two good options show up

1) Get a mac mini.  The idle power consumption is 13 watts.  You get a dvd rom, intel cpu, video out if you need it etc.  It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W.  Make sure to not get the older mac mini's, only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage.  And as a bonus at the end you have a mac you can resell.

2) Get a Sheeva Plug.  It only costs $99 and only draws 5 Watts of power.  It is arm.  I myself simply put a usb stick in it loaded up debian and have been happy ever sense (So I am running at 5.5 W).  Silent, low power draw.  Downside it that it takes 10 minutes to setup and you can't just plugin a monitor and drop in a install cd you have to drop an install image in a sd or usb stick, but there are helpful webpages people have made showing you step by step how to do this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently went through the same search , two good options show up 1 ) Get a mac mini .
The idle power consumption is 13 watts .
You get a dvd rom , intel cpu , video out if you need it etc .
It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W .
Make sure to not get the older mac mini 's , only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage .
And as a bonus at the end you have a mac you can resell .
2 ) Get a Sheeva Plug .
It only costs $ 99 and only draws 5 Watts of power .
It is arm .
I myself simply put a usb stick in it loaded up debian and have been happy ever sense ( So I am running at 5.5 W ) .
Silent , low power draw .
Downside it that it takes 10 minutes to setup and you ca n't just plugin a monitor and drop in a install cd you have to drop an install image in a sd or usb stick , but there are helpful webpages people have made showing you step by step how to do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently went through the same search, two good options show up

1) Get a mac mini.
The idle power consumption is 13 watts.
You get a dvd rom, intel cpu, video out if you need it etc.
It costs more and the high cpu usage is 110W.
Make sure to not get the older mac mini's, only the ones starting I believe last January had the low idle watt usage.
And as a bonus at the end you have a mac you can resell.
2) Get a Sheeva Plug.
It only costs $99 and only draws 5 Watts of power.
It is arm.
I myself simply put a usb stick in it loaded up debian and have been happy ever sense (So I am running at 5.5 W).
Silent, low power draw.
Downside it that it takes 10 minutes to setup and you can't just plugin a monitor and drop in a install cd you have to drop an install image in a sd or usb stick, but there are helpful webpages people have made showing you step by step how to do this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866015</id>
	<title>If you can get it somewhere (eBay?): Qube</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1256498700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt\_Qube" title="wikipedia.org">Cobalt Qube</a> [wikipedia.org] Software-wise, it has easily one of the best management interfaces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cobalt Qube [ wikipedia.org ] Software-wise , it has easily one of the best management interfaces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cobalt Qube [wikipedia.org] Software-wise, it has easily one of the best management interfaces.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868411</id>
	<title>Netbook</title>
	<author>fluffman86</author>
	<datestamp>1256482260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a Dell Mini, or some other netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Dell Mini , or some other netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Dell Mini, or some other netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868043</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>SmartSsa</author>
	<datestamp>1256476860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The power ratings listed on PSUs are the MAXIMUM they can safely draw without melting.  The mac mini in practice draws nowhere near that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The power ratings listed on PSUs are the MAXIMUM they can safely draw without melting .
The mac mini in practice draws nowhere near that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The power ratings listed on PSUs are the MAXIMUM they can safely draw without melting.
The mac mini in practice draws nowhere near that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866671</id>
	<title>QNAP 219p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a QNAP 219 P.  It runs Linux,, has support out of the box for many servers including apache, mysql, imap, pop.  Additional support for qpkg packages basically means that the world is your oyster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a QNAP 219 P. It runs Linux, , has support out of the box for many servers including apache , mysql , imap , pop .
Additional support for qpkg packages basically means that the world is your oyster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a QNAP 219 P.  It runs Linux,, has support out of the box for many servers including apache, mysql, imap, pop.
Additional support for qpkg packages basically means that the world is your oyster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865423</id>
	<title>Go with the Digi-Comp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp\_I" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp\_I</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp \ _I [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp\_I [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867393</id>
	<title>No one's mentioned the Fit-PC?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256468520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like amazon is out of the 500 gHz ($200) but the 1.1 is now at $250  I've seen gentoo/ubuntu/windows running one... only 5 or 6W!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like amazon is out of the 500 gHz ( $ 200 ) but the 1.1 is now at $ 250 I 've seen gentoo/ubuntu/windows running one... only 5 or 6W !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like amazon is out of the 500 gHz ($200) but the 1.1 is now at $250  I've seen gentoo/ubuntu/windows running one... only 5 or 6W!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867195</id>
	<title>Here's what I did - under 30 W, wireless, 1.5TB</title>
	<author>bmullan</author>
	<datestamp>1256466000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<a href="http://bmullan.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/a-bit-off-topic-but-worth-mentioning/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Take 1 shoebox, 3-500GB mini-USB drives, Open Mesh Wireless, 2 SheevaPlug ARM computers.</a> [wordpress.com]
All of that consumes approx. 30 Watts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take 1 shoebox , 3-500GB mini-USB drives , Open Mesh Wireless , 2 SheevaPlug ARM computers .
[ wordpress.com ] All of that consumes approx .
30 Watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Take 1 shoebox, 3-500GB mini-USB drives, Open Mesh Wireless, 2 SheevaPlug ARM computers.
[wordpress.com]
All of that consumes approx.
30 Watts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868273</id>
	<title>Re:Why a server?</title>
	<author>RedK</author>
	<datestamp>1256480580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A server is useful precisely because I don't need to leave my computers plugged in and on all the time.  And if I want something off my girl's laptop and she took with her, I would be screwed.  I have 3 servers running presently, doing various chores.  500W power supply ?  Why do you need a top of the line PC as a server ?  I run a UltraSparc II box from 1994 with all its original parts still running.  If you're not geek enough to have the need for a home server, don't bother reading a thread about those who do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A server is useful precisely because I do n't need to leave my computers plugged in and on all the time .
And if I want something off my girl 's laptop and she took with her , I would be screwed .
I have 3 servers running presently , doing various chores .
500W power supply ?
Why do you need a top of the line PC as a server ?
I run a UltraSparc II box from 1994 with all its original parts still running .
If you 're not geek enough to have the need for a home server , do n't bother reading a thread about those who do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A server is useful precisely because I don't need to leave my computers plugged in and on all the time.
And if I want something off my girl's laptop and she took with her, I would be screwed.
I have 3 servers running presently, doing various chores.
500W power supply ?
Why do you need a top of the line PC as a server ?
I run a UltraSparc II box from 1994 with all its original parts still running.
If you're not geek enough to have the need for a home server, don't bother reading a thread about those who do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865559</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876141</id>
	<title>Re:How about a Linksys router or D-Link NAS box</title>
	<author>pyrr</author>
	<datestamp>1256589540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There have been several revisions of the WRT54G/GS/GL. The older versions with plenty of memory to run a basic server out of the router can still be found. Perhaps it's a testament to just how bad CompUSA's pricing model was, but I found a bunch of WRT54GSv3s with the most memory any version had been equipped with just about a year before they closed their doors. They were expensive for a new, revised WRT54GS, but an excellent deal for the older version. I cleared the store out of their stale routers, using a couple, giving a couple away to friends and family, and making a tidy profit on the rest. They had up to 32MB of storage and 32MB of memory. Not too bad. Though some of the REALLY old, pre-Cisco ones apparently had unused headers for USB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been several revisions of the WRT54G/GS/GL .
The older versions with plenty of memory to run a basic server out of the router can still be found .
Perhaps it 's a testament to just how bad CompUSA 's pricing model was , but I found a bunch of WRT54GSv3s with the most memory any version had been equipped with just about a year before they closed their doors .
They were expensive for a new , revised WRT54GS , but an excellent deal for the older version .
I cleared the store out of their stale routers , using a couple , giving a couple away to friends and family , and making a tidy profit on the rest .
They had up to 32MB of storage and 32MB of memory .
Not too bad .
Though some of the REALLY old , pre-Cisco ones apparently had unused headers for USB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been several revisions of the WRT54G/GS/GL.
The older versions with plenty of memory to run a basic server out of the router can still be found.
Perhaps it's a testament to just how bad CompUSA's pricing model was, but I found a bunch of WRT54GSv3s with the most memory any version had been equipped with just about a year before they closed their doors.
They were expensive for a new, revised WRT54GS, but an excellent deal for the older version.
I cleared the store out of their stale routers, using a couple, giving a couple away to friends and family, and making a tidy profit on the rest.
They had up to 32MB of storage and 32MB of memory.
Not too bad.
Though some of the REALLY old, pre-Cisco ones apparently had unused headers for USB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867679</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870983</id>
	<title>ASRock ion330</title>
	<author>DarkRat</author>
	<datestamp>1256562720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using an AsRock ion330 as homeserver/HTPC. It's small, quiet and has the capability to play HD videos.
Uses about 30 watts thanks to Atom 330 and nVidia Ion</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using an AsRock ion330 as homeserver/HTPC .
It 's small , quiet and has the capability to play HD videos .
Uses about 30 watts thanks to Atom 330 and nVidia Ion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using an AsRock ion330 as homeserver/HTPC.
It's small, quiet and has the capability to play HD videos.
Uses about 30 watts thanks to Atom 330 and nVidia Ion</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866065</id>
	<title>Re:ALIX</title>
	<author>Vuojo</author>
	<datestamp>1256499000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My firewall currently runs M0n0wall on ALIX board and it has worked perfectly for me. This is the board I used: <a href="http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm" title="pcengines.ch" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm</a> [pcengines.ch]</htmltext>
<tokenext>My firewall currently runs M0n0wall on ALIX board and it has worked perfectly for me .
This is the board I used : http : //www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm [ pcengines.ch ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My firewall currently runs M0n0wall on ALIX board and it has worked perfectly for me.
This is the board I used: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm [pcengines.ch]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865481</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867605</id>
	<title>Re:NSLU2</title>
	<author>rubies</author>
	<datestamp>1256471640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Me too.</p><p>Mine's got two disks on it though - a boot disk running ext3 (also where incoming torrents go) and a 1tb external drive that's formatted NTFS.</p><p>Using debian and ntfs-3g, mostly used to run Wizd and samba to serve media to a couple of playstation 2's in the kids bedrooms and an old Neuston mc-500 in the lounge room, as well as file storage for the laptops.  These boxes have replaced satellite TV for us.</p><p>The good:  it's running debian so there is lots of software available, and even if you can't get it as a package it'll compile without problems.<br>The bad:  Network file performance is woeful, but for something that idles at less than a watt I'm not complaining.  If you need something on or off there in a hurry, just unmount the NTFS disk and plug it into anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me too.Mine 's got two disks on it though - a boot disk running ext3 ( also where incoming torrents go ) and a 1tb external drive that 's formatted NTFS.Using debian and ntfs-3g , mostly used to run Wizd and samba to serve media to a couple of playstation 2 's in the kids bedrooms and an old Neuston mc-500 in the lounge room , as well as file storage for the laptops .
These boxes have replaced satellite TV for us.The good : it 's running debian so there is lots of software available , and even if you ca n't get it as a package it 'll compile without problems.The bad : Network file performance is woeful , but for something that idles at less than a watt I 'm not complaining .
If you need something on or off there in a hurry , just unmount the NTFS disk and plug it into anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me too.Mine's got two disks on it though - a boot disk running ext3 (also where incoming torrents go) and a 1tb external drive that's formatted NTFS.Using debian and ntfs-3g, mostly used to run Wizd and samba to serve media to a couple of playstation 2's in the kids bedrooms and an old Neuston mc-500 in the lounge room, as well as file storage for the laptops.
These boxes have replaced satellite TV for us.The good:  it's running debian so there is lots of software available, and even if you can't get it as a package it'll compile without problems.The bad:  Network file performance is woeful, but for something that idles at less than a watt I'm not complaining.
If you need something on or off there in a hurry, just unmount the NTFS disk and plug it into anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865765</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867329</id>
	<title>Plug Pc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256467800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Marvell plug PC! $99.00</p><p>http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Marvell plug PC !
$ 99.00http : //www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marvell plug PC!
$99.00http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29986224</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are after a server have you looked at the Excito Bubba?  Small 7-12W power consumption, no fan, runs Linux and comes with a bundle of software (mail, web, uPnP, bitTorrent etc).  I have been running the original version (with Via 100Mhz and 64Mb Ram) for a couple of years with no problems at all - quiet, very small and configurable ( if a little slow - current versions are faster ).</p><p>The latest technical specs are here:<br>http://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are after a server have you looked at the Excito Bubba ?
Small 7-12W power consumption , no fan , runs Linux and comes with a bundle of software ( mail , web , uPnP , bitTorrent etc ) .
I have been running the original version ( with Via 100Mhz and 64Mb Ram ) for a couple of years with no problems at all - quiet , very small and configurable ( if a little slow - current versions are faster ) .The latest technical specs are here : http : //www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are after a server have you looked at the Excito Bubba?
Small 7-12W power consumption, no fan, runs Linux and comes with a bundle of software (mail, web, uPnP, bitTorrent etc).
I have been running the original version (with Via 100Mhz and 64Mb Ram) for a couple of years with no problems at all - quiet, very small and configurable ( if a little slow - current versions are faster ).The latest technical specs are here:http://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29899591</id>
	<title>EEE box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256754300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an eee box as a tiny server for a year. It's rox with a low power consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an eee box as a tiny server for a year .
It 's rox with a low power consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an eee box as a tiny server for a year.
It's rox with a low power consumption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866935</id>
	<title>Power Supply of current Computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256463060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much power does the existing server draw when it's idling?  Try measuring the power draw if you haven't done so already, it might not be as bad as you think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much power does the existing server draw when it 's idling ?
Try measuring the power draw if you have n't done so already , it might not be as bad as you think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much power does the existing server draw when it's idling?
Try measuring the power draw if you haven't done so already, it might not be as bad as you think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29879167</id>
	<title>worms in them Apples</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256561220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>do all of you work for Apple?  Get paid to put this tripe in hear name dropping a product that you probably are selling?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do all of you work for Apple ?
Get paid to put this tripe in hear name dropping a product that you probably are selling ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do all of you work for Apple?
Get paid to put this tripe in hear name dropping a product that you probably are selling?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865935</id>
	<title>Been there done that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wanted to semi-retire my quadcore and only power it up for MythTV and other heavy lifting.</p><p>I picked up an MSI Wind? Dual-core atom for $120 (on sale), $30 for 2GB RAM and another $50 for 250GB HDD....it consumes 30W max.</p><p>You may want to consider a Shiva plug, however there is no video out nor sound card. The lack of a sound card was the deal-breaker for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted to semi-retire my quadcore and only power it up for MythTV and other heavy lifting.I picked up an MSI Wind ?
Dual-core atom for $ 120 ( on sale ) , $ 30 for 2GB RAM and another $ 50 for 250GB HDD....it consumes 30W max.You may want to consider a Shiva plug , however there is no video out nor sound card .
The lack of a sound card was the deal-breaker for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted to semi-retire my quadcore and only power it up for MythTV and other heavy lifting.I picked up an MSI Wind?
Dual-core atom for $120 (on sale), $30 for 2GB RAM and another $50 for 250GB HDD....it consumes 30W max.You may want to consider a Shiva plug, however there is no video out nor sound card.
The lack of a sound card was the deal-breaker for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866099</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256499180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, and the amount of time he'd waste probably isn't even worth 70 bucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , and the amount of time he 'd waste probably is n't even worth 70 bucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, and the amount of time he'd waste probably isn't even worth 70 bucks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865789</id>
	<title>Don't expect ECC RAM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been looking for the same thing for a long time, except I want to have ECC RAM on a machine that runs 24/7 and shuttles files back and forth. Apparently, there is no such product (Not mini-pc, not Atom-anything, not notebooks, etc).  I've ended up using one of those cheap Dell T100 series machines (ECC RAM, but only two drives supported) that you can pick up during a dell promotion. It draws 50W at idle.<br> <br>
Does anyone know of \_any\_ low power solution that uses ECC RAM?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking for the same thing for a long time , except I want to have ECC RAM on a machine that runs 24/7 and shuttles files back and forth .
Apparently , there is no such product ( Not mini-pc , not Atom-anything , not notebooks , etc ) .
I 've ended up using one of those cheap Dell T100 series machines ( ECC RAM , but only two drives supported ) that you can pick up during a dell promotion .
It draws 50W at idle .
Does anyone know of \ _any \ _ low power solution that uses ECC RAM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking for the same thing for a long time, except I want to have ECC RAM on a machine that runs 24/7 and shuttles files back and forth.
Apparently, there is no such product (Not mini-pc, not Atom-anything, not notebooks, etc).
I've ended up using one of those cheap Dell T100 series machines (ECC RAM, but only two drives supported) that you can pick up during a dell promotion.
It draws 50W at idle.
Does anyone know of \_any\_ low power solution that uses ECC RAM?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867907</id>
	<title>QNAP NAS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256475480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone tried the QNAP NAS servers? - like this one http://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=112 . I have heard that the SheevaPlug cannot do simultaneous connections from multiple machines? Is that correct or have I heard wrong? Or isn't it a problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone tried the QNAP NAS servers ?
- like this one http : //www.qnap.com/pro \ _detail \ _feature.asp ? p \ _id = 112 .
I have heard that the SheevaPlug can not do simultaneous connections from multiple machines ?
Is that correct or have I heard wrong ?
Or is n't it a problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone tried the QNAP NAS servers?
- like this one http://www.qnap.com/pro\_detail\_feature.asp?p\_id=112 .
I have heard that the SheevaPlug cannot do simultaneous connections from multiple machines?
Is that correct or have I heard wrong?
Or isn't it a problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867689</id>
	<title>Yawarra</title>
	<author>mattcen</author>
	<datestamp>1256472480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've not tried this myself, but we use these Yawarra boxes (http://www.yawarra.com.au/hw-alix.php), which are slightly more expensive than you may be looking for, but could be worth looking at. We've used them at work a couple of times, and if I remember correctly we had success installing Debian Lenny on them, but Ubuntu I think had a kernel issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not tried this myself , but we use these Yawarra boxes ( http : //www.yawarra.com.au/hw-alix.php ) , which are slightly more expensive than you may be looking for , but could be worth looking at .
We 've used them at work a couple of times , and if I remember correctly we had success installing Debian Lenny on them , but Ubuntu I think had a kernel issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not tried this myself, but we use these Yawarra boxes (http://www.yawarra.com.au/hw-alix.php), which are slightly more expensive than you may be looking for, but could be worth looking at.
We've used them at work a couple of times, and if I remember correctly we had success installing Debian Lenny on them, but Ubuntu I think had a kernel issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869813</id>
	<title>Synology worth a look?</title>
	<author>AliasMarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1256588700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you checked the Synology NAS boxes? <a href="http://www.synology.com/us/index.php" title="synology.com">http://www.synology.com/us/index.php</a> [synology.com]
<br> <br>
One of them may be suitable, if you're just planning on having a Linux file server with some extras, and don't need to install your own *nix or arcane packages. We have a DS-209 with two 500GB disks in RAID1. On our 100Mbit LAN at home, it typically gets read/write speeds of 6-8MBps, which is about 40-50\% of the theoretical bandwidth. It has an UPS interface for safe shutdown when our UPS is nearly drained.
<br> <br>
You can install some add-on packages, and enable several services in addition to just file serving on most Synology NAS units, such as web server, photo server, download/torrent redirection, scheduled backup to external drive, and media server functions. You can also enable ssh (and telnet &amp; ftp) and log in to do additional configuration, although the web-based administration interface is quite OK. Of course, it's advisable to limit outside access to services via your firewall. We also prevent the NAS from calling home...
<br> <br>
Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with Synology, except as a mostly satisfied customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you checked the Synology NAS boxes ?
http : //www.synology.com/us/index.php [ synology.com ] One of them may be suitable , if you 're just planning on having a Linux file server with some extras , and do n't need to install your own * nix or arcane packages .
We have a DS-209 with two 500GB disks in RAID1 .
On our 100Mbit LAN at home , it typically gets read/write speeds of 6-8MBps , which is about 40-50 \ % of the theoretical bandwidth .
It has an UPS interface for safe shutdown when our UPS is nearly drained .
You can install some add-on packages , and enable several services in addition to just file serving on most Synology NAS units , such as web server , photo server , download/torrent redirection , scheduled backup to external drive , and media server functions .
You can also enable ssh ( and telnet &amp; ftp ) and log in to do additional configuration , although the web-based administration interface is quite OK. Of course , it 's advisable to limit outside access to services via your firewall .
We also prevent the NAS from calling home.. . Disclaimer : I have nothing to do with Synology , except as a mostly satisfied customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you checked the Synology NAS boxes?
http://www.synology.com/us/index.php [synology.com]
 
One of them may be suitable, if you're just planning on having a Linux file server with some extras, and don't need to install your own *nix or arcane packages.
We have a DS-209 with two 500GB disks in RAID1.
On our 100Mbit LAN at home, it typically gets read/write speeds of 6-8MBps, which is about 40-50\% of the theoretical bandwidth.
It has an UPS interface for safe shutdown when our UPS is nearly drained.
You can install some add-on packages, and enable several services in addition to just file serving on most Synology NAS units, such as web server, photo server, download/torrent redirection, scheduled backup to external drive, and media server functions.
You can also enable ssh (and telnet &amp; ftp) and log in to do additional configuration, although the web-based administration interface is quite OK. Of course, it's advisable to limit outside access to services via your firewall.
We also prevent the NAS from calling home...
 
Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with Synology, except as a mostly satisfied customer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866081</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>BrianRoach</author>
	<datestamp>1256499120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking the same thing.</p><p>It's like buying a new car with higher fuel economy (only) to save money on gas.</p><p>Keeping the old, presumably paid for vehicle is cheaper (unless you drive 100k miles a  year and own a Range Rover, I suppose).</p><p>(Yeah yeah<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I know, car analogy. But I was trying to explain this math to someone the other day who was going to buy a new car that gets 30mpg while theirs gets 22mpg, is paid off, and in fine condition).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking the same thing.It 's like buying a new car with higher fuel economy ( only ) to save money on gas.Keeping the old , presumably paid for vehicle is cheaper ( unless you drive 100k miles a year and own a Range Rover , I suppose ) .
( Yeah yeah ... I know , car analogy .
But I was trying to explain this math to someone the other day who was going to buy a new car that gets 30mpg while theirs gets 22mpg , is paid off , and in fine condition ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking the same thing.It's like buying a new car with higher fuel economy (only) to save money on gas.Keeping the old, presumably paid for vehicle is cheaper (unless you drive 100k miles a  year and own a Range Rover, I suppose).
(Yeah yeah ... I know, car analogy.
But I was trying to explain this math to someone the other day who was going to buy a new car that gets 30mpg while theirs gets 22mpg, is paid off, and in fine condition).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866205</id>
	<title>Intel Atom</title>
	<author>bu1137</author>
	<datestamp>1256499840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got the following box:
<ul>
<li>Intel D945GSEJT <a href="http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm" title="intel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm</a> [intel.com] </li><li>500 GB laptop harddisk</li><li>2 GB RAM</li><li>12V PSU</li></ul><p>

Eats about 10 watts on idle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got the following box : Intel D945GSEJT http : //www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm [ intel.com ] 500 GB laptop harddisk2 GB RAM12V PSU Eats about 10 watts on idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got the following box:

Intel D945GSEJT http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm [intel.com] 500 GB laptop harddisk2 GB RAM12V PSU

Eats about 10 watts on idle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866817</id>
	<title>Bubba II: 7Watts, Silent, Sexy?</title>
	<author>jvarsoke</author>
	<datestamp>1256461980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went from an old 300W system down to a 7W Bubba II from <a href="http://www.excito.com/" title="excito.com" rel="nofollow">Excito</a> [excito.com]. Runs debian and all that entails. Also has a nice WebUI interface for most services (which I've never used). Comes in a few HD configurations. Other than the HD it is completely silent. It's also nice looking, if that matters.</p><p>Probably the only thing I wish it had was a sound-card.</p><p>I've been using this for a year and have loved it. Perfect for my needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went from an old 300W system down to a 7W Bubba II from Excito [ excito.com ] .
Runs debian and all that entails .
Also has a nice WebUI interface for most services ( which I 've never used ) .
Comes in a few HD configurations .
Other than the HD it is completely silent .
It 's also nice looking , if that matters.Probably the only thing I wish it had was a sound-card.I 've been using this for a year and have loved it .
Perfect for my needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went from an old 300W system down to a 7W Bubba II from Excito [excito.com].
Runs debian and all that entails.
Also has a nice WebUI interface for most services (which I've never used).
Comes in a few HD configurations.
Other than the HD it is completely silent.
It's also nice looking, if that matters.Probably the only thing I wish it had was a sound-card.I've been using this for a year and have loved it.
Perfect for my needs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867475</id>
	<title>XBOX</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256469780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Recycle an old xbox. Not to be confused with the newer xbox360.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recycle an old xbox .
Not to be confused with the newer xbox360 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recycle an old xbox.
Not to be confused with the newer xbox360.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871217</id>
	<title>Fit-PC</title>
	<author>TheDawgLives</author>
	<datestamp>1256565120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a <a href="http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc1/whats-new.html" title="fit-pc.com">Fit-PC</a> [fit-pc.com] for my home Linux server. It came with Ubuntu and Gentoo installed. It uses 6W and easily handles my e-mail, DNS, ssh, apache, and file-serving needs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a Fit-PC [ fit-pc.com ] for my home Linux server .
It came with Ubuntu and Gentoo installed .
It uses 6W and easily handles my e-mail , DNS , ssh , apache , and file-serving needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a Fit-PC [fit-pc.com] for my home Linux server.
It came with Ubuntu and Gentoo installed.
It uses 6W and easily handles my e-mail, DNS, ssh, apache, and file-serving needs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867189</id>
	<title>Try a netbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256465880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know netbooks are overkill (screen and all), but they use surprisingly little power. My Dell Mini 9 pulls ~7W when idle, and ~11W when 100\% CPU and network I/O is running. Use a large SSD and a 32GB SD card, and you have a respectable server. Has a built-in UPS with your battery, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know netbooks are overkill ( screen and all ) , but they use surprisingly little power .
My Dell Mini 9 pulls ~ 7W when idle , and ~ 11W when 100 \ % CPU and network I/O is running .
Use a large SSD and a 32GB SD card , and you have a respectable server .
Has a built-in UPS with your battery , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know netbooks are overkill (screen and all), but they use surprisingly little power.
My Dell Mini 9 pulls ~7W when idle, and ~11W when 100\% CPU and network I/O is running.
Use a large SSD and a 32GB SD card, and you have a respectable server.
Has a built-in UPS with your battery, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868309</id>
	<title>Re:Via Epia 5000</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1256480880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an earlier fanless via box (ebox 3 - I got the big one with enough room for a parallel port and a laptop drive) - it's run very well for more than three years including on days when the room temperature was above 35C.  The case is solid thick aluminium and looks like a BBQ grill.  Even with 256M memory it runs win2k fairly well and linux quite well.<br>Suppliers of industrial computer gear can provide similar systems, or even smaller things like the Yawarra ones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an earlier fanless via box ( ebox 3 - I got the big one with enough room for a parallel port and a laptop drive ) - it 's run very well for more than three years including on days when the room temperature was above 35C .
The case is solid thick aluminium and looks like a BBQ grill .
Even with 256M memory it runs win2k fairly well and linux quite well.Suppliers of industrial computer gear can provide similar systems , or even smaller things like the Yawarra ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an earlier fanless via box (ebox 3 - I got the big one with enough room for a parallel port and a laptop drive) - it's run very well for more than three years including on days when the room temperature was above 35C.
The case is solid thick aluminium and looks like a BBQ grill.
Even with 256M memory it runs win2k fairly well and linux quite well.Suppliers of industrial computer gear can provide similar systems, or even smaller things like the Yawarra ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867303</id>
	<title>AsRock iON 330</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256467380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not under 300$, it is 349$<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856158007" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856158007</a> [newegg.com]</p><p>26W at idle, 38W with processors at 100\% and GPU 100\%</p><p>Read reviews over the net, especially this one: <a href="http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=3727&amp;Itemid=1" title="missingremote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=3727&amp;Itemid=1</a> [missingremote.com]</p><p>Fully decode at 1080p through hardware (CPU around 5-10\%).</p><p>Disclaimer: I have one! It's great</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not under 300 $ , it is 349 $ http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16856158007 [ newegg.com ] 26W at idle , 38W with processors at 100 \ % and GPU 100 \ % Read reviews over the net , especially this one : http : //www.missingremote.com/index.php ? option = com \ _content&amp;task = view&amp;id = 3727&amp;Itemid = 1 [ missingremote.com ] Fully decode at 1080p through hardware ( CPU around 5-10 \ % ) .Disclaimer : I have one !
It 's great</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not under 300$, it is 349$http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856158007 [newegg.com]26W at idle, 38W with processors at 100\% and GPU 100\%Read reviews over the net, especially this one: http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=3727&amp;Itemid=1 [missingremote.com]Fully decode at 1080p through hardware (CPU around 5-10\%).Disclaimer: I have one!
It's great</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867869</id>
	<title>Fanless Minimal System with Gentoo</title>
	<author>ashmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1256474700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm running a fanless pc with an intel atom and a case that doubles as a heat sink. Actually most intel atom based mini boxes would suffice - I chose this one simply because I wanted it to be a router as well and its got the dual ethernet ports on the back. You don't need a netbook - they're basically the same thing with a monitor and the monitor is completely redundant for this sort of thing - just means you'll be installing far more than is necessary.</p><p>On mine I've got gentoo running with only a minimal set of packages:</p><p>ssh, apache, mysql, php, svn server, dokuwiki, samba, nfs, iptables and redmine.</p><p>- Fanless box with low wattage -&gt; low power<br>- Intel atom -&gt; compatibility problems a little easier than with some other cpus.<br>- Minimal -&gt; easy to maintain.<br>- Gentoo -&gt; can continually update, dont have to worry about re-installing when the next big release comes along.</p><p>It's brilliant, stacks in my bookshelf like just another book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running a fanless pc with an intel atom and a case that doubles as a heat sink .
Actually most intel atom based mini boxes would suffice - I chose this one simply because I wanted it to be a router as well and its got the dual ethernet ports on the back .
You do n't need a netbook - they 're basically the same thing with a monitor and the monitor is completely redundant for this sort of thing - just means you 'll be installing far more than is necessary.On mine I 've got gentoo running with only a minimal set of packages : ssh , apache , mysql , php , svn server , dokuwiki , samba , nfs , iptables and redmine.- Fanless box with low wattage - &gt; low power- Intel atom - &gt; compatibility problems a little easier than with some other cpus.- Minimal - &gt; easy to maintain.- Gentoo - &gt; can continually update , dont have to worry about re-installing when the next big release comes along.It 's brilliant , stacks in my bookshelf like just another book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running a fanless pc with an intel atom and a case that doubles as a heat sink.
Actually most intel atom based mini boxes would suffice - I chose this one simply because I wanted it to be a router as well and its got the dual ethernet ports on the back.
You don't need a netbook - they're basically the same thing with a monitor and the monitor is completely redundant for this sort of thing - just means you'll be installing far more than is necessary.On mine I've got gentoo running with only a minimal set of packages:ssh, apache, mysql, php, svn server, dokuwiki, samba, nfs, iptables and redmine.- Fanless box with low wattage -&gt; low power- Intel atom -&gt; compatibility problems a little easier than with some other cpus.- Minimal -&gt; easy to maintain.- Gentoo -&gt; can continually update, dont have to worry about re-installing when the next big release comes along.It's brilliant, stacks in my bookshelf like just another book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866795</id>
	<title>Fit-PC with Turnkey Linux</title>
	<author>ambanmba</author>
	<datestamp>1256461680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run 5 small sites on a single Fit-PC (http://www.fit-pc.com/) running Tunrkey Linux (http://www.turnkeylinux.org/).

Instead of a HD, I've installed a CF card using a CF to IDE adapter, so the setup is completely solid state.

The server has no fan, is not much bigger than a deck of cards and has been quietly working away at 3W for the past year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run 5 small sites on a single Fit-PC ( http : //www.fit-pc.com/ ) running Tunrkey Linux ( http : //www.turnkeylinux.org/ ) .
Instead of a HD , I 've installed a CF card using a CF to IDE adapter , so the setup is completely solid state .
The server has no fan , is not much bigger than a deck of cards and has been quietly working away at 3W for the past year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run 5 small sites on a single Fit-PC (http://www.fit-pc.com/) running Tunrkey Linux (http://www.turnkeylinux.org/).
Instead of a HD, I've installed a CF card using a CF to IDE adapter, so the setup is completely solid state.
The server has no fan, is not much bigger than a deck of cards and has been quietly working away at 3W for the past year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870395</id>
	<title>Running a server on VIA for years</title>
	<author>DeBaas</author>
	<datestamp>1256553720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running a mini server on a VIA mainboard (C3 533) for years now (started I think in 2003). Last year I upgraded to a VIA C7 because I happened to have one laying around and I wanted to start using a SATA hard drive. A few things to take into account:<br>- the hard drive is usually the real power drain. 2.5 inch models are much more power efficient<br>- spent money on an efficient powersupply!</p><p>As for the power usage, I suspect you get the best results if you run it from a USB stick and add a harddrive for storage that you keep spinned down for most of the time. I.e. keep the active torrents and such on the USB drive and move the files to the large disk to store them when they are no longer active. Laptopmodetools will power the drive down for you.</p><p>On the C3 I used gentoo but I switched to Ubuntu server along with the switch to the C7.</p><p>Via offers quite a few fanless mainboards. That seems nice and quiet. Unfortenately most cases use small and therefor noisy fans. I ended up cutting a big hole in my case and put a 12cm fan on there (with an added anti dust filter). Now you can hardly hear it. I still aim to test if I can safely work without a fan when I separate the harddrive fully from the case. Both the mainboard and the drive should be able to work without a fan, but if you put them both in a case, the temperature gets to hot for the CPU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running a mini server on a VIA mainboard ( C3 533 ) for years now ( started I think in 2003 ) .
Last year I upgraded to a VIA C7 because I happened to have one laying around and I wanted to start using a SATA hard drive .
A few things to take into account : - the hard drive is usually the real power drain .
2.5 inch models are much more power efficient- spent money on an efficient powersupply ! As for the power usage , I suspect you get the best results if you run it from a USB stick and add a harddrive for storage that you keep spinned down for most of the time .
I.e. keep the active torrents and such on the USB drive and move the files to the large disk to store them when they are no longer active .
Laptopmodetools will power the drive down for you.On the C3 I used gentoo but I switched to Ubuntu server along with the switch to the C7.Via offers quite a few fanless mainboards .
That seems nice and quiet .
Unfortenately most cases use small and therefor noisy fans .
I ended up cutting a big hole in my case and put a 12cm fan on there ( with an added anti dust filter ) .
Now you can hardly hear it .
I still aim to test if I can safely work without a fan when I separate the harddrive fully from the case .
Both the mainboard and the drive should be able to work without a fan , but if you put them both in a case , the temperature gets to hot for the CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running a mini server on a VIA mainboard (C3 533) for years now (started I think in 2003).
Last year I upgraded to a VIA C7 because I happened to have one laying around and I wanted to start using a SATA hard drive.
A few things to take into account:- the hard drive is usually the real power drain.
2.5 inch models are much more power efficient- spent money on an efficient powersupply!As for the power usage, I suspect you get the best results if you run it from a USB stick and add a harddrive for storage that you keep spinned down for most of the time.
I.e. keep the active torrents and such on the USB drive and move the files to the large disk to store them when they are no longer active.
Laptopmodetools will power the drive down for you.On the C3 I used gentoo but I switched to Ubuntu server along with the switch to the C7.Via offers quite a few fanless mainboards.
That seems nice and quiet.
Unfortenately most cases use small and therefor noisy fans.
I ended up cutting a big hole in my case and put a 12cm fan on there (with an added anti dust filter).
Now you can hardly hear it.
I still aim to test if I can safely work without a fan when I separate the harddrive fully from the case.
Both the mainboard and the drive should be able to work without a fan, but if you put them both in a case, the temperature gets to hot for the CPU.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865763</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Headworx</author>
	<datestamp>1256496840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree, nothing beats Sheeva... I have two servers running on this platform... One gathers information from weather sensors - some 30 of them, the other one is running Ubuntu 9.04 as a FTP/Web server for periodically changing content... Pretty impressive performance for $99 and 7 Watts...

<a href="http://headworx.slupik.com/2009/09/sheeva-plugcomputer.html" title="slupik.com" rel="nofollow">http://headworx.slupik.com/2009/09/sheeva-plugcomputer.html</a> [slupik.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , nothing beats Sheeva... I have two servers running on this platform... One gathers information from weather sensors - some 30 of them , the other one is running Ubuntu 9.04 as a FTP/Web server for periodically changing content... Pretty impressive performance for $ 99 and 7 Watts.. . http : //headworx.slupik.com/2009/09/sheeva-plugcomputer.html [ slupik.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, nothing beats Sheeva... I have two servers running on this platform... One gathers information from weather sensors - some 30 of them, the other one is running Ubuntu 9.04 as a FTP/Web server for periodically changing content... Pretty impressive performance for $99 and 7 Watts...

http://headworx.slupik.com/2009/09/sheeva-plugcomputer.html [slupik.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867979</id>
	<title>My Solution</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1256476200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Intel Atom 330 (dual-core, 64-bit) CPU + motherboard: $80<br>2. 1TB low-power disk: $80<br>3. 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 667: $30<br>4. Crappy mini-tower case: $30<br>5. Ubuntu Server: free!</p><p>Total price is in the neighbourhood of $220. Best bang for your buck, period. If I ever feel like putting Arch, Gentoo, or FreeBSD on it, the dual-core CPU will make building packages a breeze. The machine I built runs around 35W whilst doing nothing and a lot of that can be knocked off by spinning down the disk when idle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Intel Atom 330 ( dual-core , 64-bit ) CPU + motherboard : $ 802 .
1TB low-power disk : $ 803 .
1GB 240-Pin DDR2 667 : $ 304 .
Crappy mini-tower case : $ 305 .
Ubuntu Server : free ! Total price is in the neighbourhood of $ 220 .
Best bang for your buck , period .
If I ever feel like putting Arch , Gentoo , or FreeBSD on it , the dual-core CPU will make building packages a breeze .
The machine I built runs around 35W whilst doing nothing and a lot of that can be knocked off by spinning down the disk when idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Intel Atom 330 (dual-core, 64-bit) CPU + motherboard: $802.
1TB low-power disk: $803.
1GB 240-Pin DDR2 667: $304.
Crappy mini-tower case: $305.
Ubuntu Server: free!Total price is in the neighbourhood of $220.
Best bang for your buck, period.
If I ever feel like putting Arch, Gentoo, or FreeBSD on it, the dual-core CPU will make building packages a breeze.
The machine I built runs around 35W whilst doing nothing and a lot of that can be knocked off by spinning down the disk when idle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873957</id>
	<title>Re:New Intel D945GSEJT &amp; PC Engine Alix!!!</title>
	<author>mpol</author>
	<datestamp>1256579520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks.<br>I've been advised to check out Alix boards as well, when my submission was still hanging in the air. I have looked at them and they seem a bit cheaper then Soekris boxes. Right now I'm in the process of buying an Alix board together with a small case and a 20 Gb disk. I can always upgrade that disk later on, or add an usb disk if I want to. I'm buying the complete system here in Holland for 138 Euro, so that's quite cheap. It comes with vga and 100Mbit nic, which should be good enough. If I upgrade the disk, it will cost me an additional 50 Euro for a 250 Gb disk (2,5").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks.I 've been advised to check out Alix boards as well , when my submission was still hanging in the air .
I have looked at them and they seem a bit cheaper then Soekris boxes .
Right now I 'm in the process of buying an Alix board together with a small case and a 20 Gb disk .
I can always upgrade that disk later on , or add an usb disk if I want to .
I 'm buying the complete system here in Holland for 138 Euro , so that 's quite cheap .
It comes with vga and 100Mbit nic , which should be good enough .
If I upgrade the disk , it will cost me an additional 50 Euro for a 250 Gb disk ( 2,5 " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks.I've been advised to check out Alix boards as well, when my submission was still hanging in the air.
I have looked at them and they seem a bit cheaper then Soekris boxes.
Right now I'm in the process of buying an Alix board together with a small case and a 20 Gb disk.
I can always upgrade that disk later on, or add an usb disk if I want to.
I'm buying the complete system here in Holland for 138 Euro, so that's quite cheap.
It comes with vga and 100Mbit nic, which should be good enough.
If I upgrade the disk, it will cost me an additional 50 Euro for a 250 Gb disk (2,5").</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865801</id>
	<title>Re:Via Epia 5000 another vote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256497080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have one set up too. With no disk (CF card on a CF-IDE adapter) it's as slow as a dog for loading programs, but only uses 13Watts. Plus it's completely silent. So long as you have enough RAM to keep all your apps resident, their response times won't be too bad. Plus writes to cache help speed things up - so long as your electricity supply is reliable.
<p>
Not great for surfing, or HD video but a home server is generally just passing data around and leaves the compute intensive stuff to the users' PCs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have one set up too .
With no disk ( CF card on a CF-IDE adapter ) it 's as slow as a dog for loading programs , but only uses 13Watts .
Plus it 's completely silent .
So long as you have enough RAM to keep all your apps resident , their response times wo n't be too bad .
Plus writes to cache help speed things up - so long as your electricity supply is reliable .
Not great for surfing , or HD video but a home server is generally just passing data around and leaves the compute intensive stuff to the users ' PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have one set up too.
With no disk (CF card on a CF-IDE adapter) it's as slow as a dog for loading programs, but only uses 13Watts.
Plus it's completely silent.
So long as you have enough RAM to keep all your apps resident, their response times won't be too bad.
Plus writes to cache help speed things up - so long as your electricity supply is reliable.
Not great for surfing, or HD video but a home server is generally just passing data around and leaves the compute intensive stuff to the users' PCs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865655</id>
	<title>LINUTOP uses 8W and comes with Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29872059</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Coren22</author>
	<datestamp>1256570220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Serial USB as in you can connect to a serial terminal with another computer connected on the usb plug.  It is a USB B port, not a USB A port.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Serial USB as in you can connect to a serial terminal with another computer connected on the usb plug .
It is a USB B port , not a USB A port .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Serial USB as in you can connect to a serial terminal with another computer connected on the usb plug.
It is a USB B port, not a USB A port.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865525</id>
	<title>Mac Mini power usage</title>
	<author>techmuse</author>
	<datestamp>1256494980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That sounds rather high for the Mini.  Apple claims <a href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html" title="apple.com">http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html</a> [apple.com] that the new mini uses  14 Watts when idle.  Typical laptops use 30-40 Watts or less when idle.</p><p>Your best bets are probably the Mac Mini, or another computer with an ultra low voltage desktop chip, an ARM processor, or a low voltage mobile processor.  Laptops would be particularly good.  Use an SSD instead of a hard drive.  Use enough memory to cache your files so you don't have to keep hitting the drive, but don't use more than that, because memory takes power too.  Don't use a display.  Don't hook up unneeded devices to it - they draw power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds rather high for the Mini .
Apple claims http : //www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html [ apple.com ] that the new mini uses 14 Watts when idle .
Typical laptops use 30-40 Watts or less when idle.Your best bets are probably the Mac Mini , or another computer with an ultra low voltage desktop chip , an ARM processor , or a low voltage mobile processor .
Laptops would be particularly good .
Use an SSD instead of a hard drive .
Use enough memory to cache your files so you do n't have to keep hitting the drive , but do n't use more than that , because memory takes power too .
Do n't use a display .
Do n't hook up unneeded devices to it - they draw power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds rather high for the Mini.
Apple claims http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html [apple.com] that the new mini uses  14 Watts when idle.
Typical laptops use 30-40 Watts or less when idle.Your best bets are probably the Mac Mini, or another computer with an ultra low voltage desktop chip, an ARM processor, or a low voltage mobile processor.
Laptops would be particularly good.
Use an SSD instead of a hard drive.
Use enough memory to cache your files so you don't have to keep hitting the drive, but don't use more than that, because memory takes power too.
Don't use a display.
Don't hook up unneeded devices to it - they draw power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870471</id>
	<title>low-power barebone anyone?</title>
	<author>mutrax</author>
	<datestamp>1256554620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To quote myself in a discussion I had on Ubuntuforums....</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I use/sold a lot of linux home servers</p><p>The hardware is a shuttle k45 barebone with 1 Gb ram and a low power intel cpu and 2 identical disks ( from 500Gb to 2Tb each).</p><p>I run hardy 8.04 on them. I set up software raid 1 (/ and swap part).<br>-ssh shell and webmin for administration<br>-samba for file sharing<br>-mediatomb/ampache for music streaming to pc/console<br>-imap mail server with postfix/dovecot to make mail accesible evrywhere<br>-with cronjobs I handle automatic backups &amp; auto shutdown from 23:55 to 7:30 (powersave)<br>-I'm in the middle of trying to get funambol running for phone/calendar<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/mai syncing</p><p>There's a steep learning curve if you're only used to windows systems, but these systems out perform windows by price (licensing costs), flexibility (wat can't be achieved?) and stability (viruses? crashes?)</p><p>I access the severs features from the outside via my dd-wrt enabled router that runs dns and a vpn server.</p><p>If you want to know more I'd be glad to go more into specifics.<br>This servers uses at minimum 35 watt (according to shuttle). But a average server with 2x 1Tb and celeron processor uses 55 watts in my experience.</p></div><p>This setup did the trick multiple times for me... Yearly usage of 330kWh, due to auto shutdown/restart at night and "green" components.... and no hard hacking exotic HW</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To quote myself in a discussion I had on Ubuntuforums....I use/sold a lot of linux home serversThe hardware is a shuttle k45 barebone with 1 Gb ram and a low power intel cpu and 2 identical disks ( from 500Gb to 2Tb each ) .I run hardy 8.04 on them .
I set up software raid 1 ( / and swap part ) .-ssh shell and webmin for administration-samba for file sharing-mediatomb/ampache for music streaming to pc/console-imap mail server with postfix/dovecot to make mail accesible evrywhere-with cronjobs I handle automatic backups &amp; auto shutdown from 23 : 55 to 7 : 30 ( powersave ) -I 'm in the middle of trying to get funambol running for phone/calendar /mai syncingThere 's a steep learning curve if you 're only used to windows systems , but these systems out perform windows by price ( licensing costs ) , flexibility ( wat ca n't be achieved ?
) and stability ( viruses ?
crashes ? ) I access the severs features from the outside via my dd-wrt enabled router that runs dns and a vpn server.If you want to know more I 'd be glad to go more into specifics.This servers uses at minimum 35 watt ( according to shuttle ) .
But a average server with 2x 1Tb and celeron processor uses 55 watts in my experience.This setup did the trick multiple times for me... Yearly usage of 330kWh , due to auto shutdown/restart at night and " green " components.... and no hard hacking exotic HW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To quote myself in a discussion I had on Ubuntuforums....I use/sold a lot of linux home serversThe hardware is a shuttle k45 barebone with 1 Gb ram and a low power intel cpu and 2 identical disks ( from 500Gb to 2Tb each).I run hardy 8.04 on them.
I set up software raid 1 (/ and swap part).-ssh shell and webmin for administration-samba for file sharing-mediatomb/ampache for music streaming to pc/console-imap mail server with postfix/dovecot to make mail accesible evrywhere-with cronjobs I handle automatic backups &amp; auto shutdown from 23:55 to 7:30 (powersave)-I'm in the middle of trying to get funambol running for phone/calendar /mai syncingThere's a steep learning curve if you're only used to windows systems, but these systems out perform windows by price (licensing costs), flexibility (wat can't be achieved?
) and stability (viruses?
crashes?)I access the severs features from the outside via my dd-wrt enabled router that runs dns and a vpn server.If you want to know more I'd be glad to go more into specifics.This servers uses at minimum 35 watt (according to shuttle).
But a average server with 2x 1Tb and celeron processor uses 55 watts in my experience.This setup did the trick multiple times for me... Yearly usage of 330kWh, due to auto shutdown/restart at night and "green" components.... and no hard hacking exotic HW
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867961</id>
	<title>Have you considered a virtual machine?</title>
	<author>bartwol</author>
	<datestamp>1256476020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had the same power concern and similar application/performance expectations. At the same time, I had a Windows desktop machine that was powered up 24x7 for other reasons. So I added some extra RAM to the Windows box, put VMWare Server (free as in beer) on it, and then installed my favorite Linux distro on the VM. My virtual Linux server works like a charm, and in a manner of speaking, consumes no electrical power. Highly recommended.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the same power concern and similar application/performance expectations .
At the same time , I had a Windows desktop machine that was powered up 24x7 for other reasons .
So I added some extra RAM to the Windows box , put VMWare Server ( free as in beer ) on it , and then installed my favorite Linux distro on the VM .
My virtual Linux server works like a charm , and in a manner of speaking , consumes no electrical power .
Highly recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the same power concern and similar application/performance expectations.
At the same time, I had a Windows desktop machine that was powered up 24x7 for other reasons.
So I added some extra RAM to the Windows box, put VMWare Server (free as in beer) on it, and then installed my favorite Linux distro on the VM.
My virtual Linux server works like a charm, and in a manner of speaking, consumes no electrical power.
Highly recommended.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869521</id>
	<title>Lenovo NetTops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could give the Lenovo IdeaCentre Q100 a look. Its said to use less than 14 watts electricity when idle. And I'm sure Lenovo's hardware is good with Linux..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could give the Lenovo IdeaCentre Q100 a look .
Its said to use less than 14 watts electricity when idle .
And I 'm sure Lenovo 's hardware is good with Linux. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could give the Lenovo IdeaCentre Q100 a look.
Its said to use less than 14 watts electricity when idle.
And I'm sure Lenovo's hardware is good with Linux..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866665</id>
	<title>Dual core Atom w.GE D945GSE brd w intgr DC power</title>
	<author>Glasswire</author>
	<datestamp>1256503800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out <a href="http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d945gsejt" title="logicsupply.com">Intel D945GSEJT Johnstown Mainboard</a> [logicsupply.com] Dual core Atom, low power fanless, doesn't need power supply (jack in back goes right to power brick) and gig ethernet for about $118.  Very low profile Mini-ITX board, works well in <a href="http://www.logicsupply.com/products/m350" title="logicsupply.com">$39 mini-case</a> [logicsupply.com].  I've been using this combination for all sorts of things esp storage servers ( Try <a href="http://www.openfiler.com/community/download" title="openfiler.com"> OpenFiler </a> [openfiler.com] Linux-based or <a href="http://freenas.org/" title="freenas.org"> FreeNAS </a> [freenas.org] BSD-based FOSS NAS solutions )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Intel D945GSEJT Johnstown Mainboard [ logicsupply.com ] Dual core Atom , low power fanless , does n't need power supply ( jack in back goes right to power brick ) and gig ethernet for about $ 118 .
Very low profile Mini-ITX board , works well in $ 39 mini-case [ logicsupply.com ] .
I 've been using this combination for all sorts of things esp storage servers ( Try OpenFiler [ openfiler.com ] Linux-based or FreeNAS [ freenas.org ] BSD-based FOSS NAS solutions )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Intel D945GSEJT Johnstown Mainboard [logicsupply.com] Dual core Atom, low power fanless, doesn't need power supply (jack in back goes right to power brick) and gig ethernet for about $118.
Very low profile Mini-ITX board, works well in $39 mini-case [logicsupply.com].
I've been using this combination for all sorts of things esp storage servers ( Try  OpenFiler  [openfiler.com] Linux-based or  FreeNAS  [freenas.org] BSD-based FOSS NAS solutions )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866339</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a Cobalt RaQ 2 (Sun), rocksteady. I runs standard Debian. Uses almost no power, certainly less than 35 Watt, because that is the limit of it's power supply (PS). Supports PATA, scsi, boasts two NIC's, a serial port, 256 MB of ram and some more....</p><p>Drawbacks: slow networking, a second HD will probably overstress the PS, little calculating power, although that is relative looking at it's age...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a Cobalt RaQ 2 ( Sun ) , rocksteady .
I runs standard Debian .
Uses almost no power , certainly less than 35 Watt , because that is the limit of it 's power supply ( PS ) .
Supports PATA , scsi , boasts two NIC 's , a serial port , 256 MB of ram and some more....Drawbacks : slow networking , a second HD will probably overstress the PS , little calculating power , although that is relative looking at it 's age.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a Cobalt RaQ 2 (Sun), rocksteady.
I runs standard Debian.
Uses almost no power, certainly less than 35 Watt, because that is the limit of it's power supply (PS).
Supports PATA, scsi, boasts two NIC's, a serial port, 256 MB of ram and some more....Drawbacks: slow networking, a second HD will probably overstress the PS, little calculating power, although that is relative looking at it's age...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865417</id>
	<title>Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256494440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a Sheeva plug its 5W and it looks like an adapter.<br>http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Sheeva plug its 5W and it looks like an adapter.http : //www.marvell.com/products/embedded \ _processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Sheeva plug its 5W and it looks like an adapter.http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded\_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868833</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>avicarmi</author>
	<datestamp>1256487660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>latest Mac Mini Server ($999 with the server software, 2.53GHz, Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 1TB disk, but no optical) draws 14W at idle according to apple it even lower processor's speed between keystrokes...</p><p><a href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html</a> [apple.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Efficient power supply.</p><p>Mac mini includes a highly efficient power supply that reduces the amount of power wasted when bringing electricity from the wall to your computer. Lower power consumption reduces energy bills and lessens the environmental impact of greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.<br>Advanced power management.</p><p>Unlike a lot of Windows-based PC systems, Mac mini uses energy-efficient hardware components that work hand in hand with the operating system to conserve power. Mac OS X spins down hard drives and activates sleep mode. And it balances tasks across both central processors and graphics processors. Mac OS X never misses a power-saving opportunity, no matter how small. It even regulates the processor between keystrokes, reducing power between the letters you type. That&rsquo;s just one of many ways Apple manages small amounts of power that add up to big savings.</p><p>Mac mini is a great example of Apple&rsquo;s energy-efficient design philosophy. It uses less than 14 watts of power when idle &mdash; that&rsquo;s something no other desktop computer can do.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>latest Mac Mini Server ( $ 999 with the server software , 2.53GHz , Core 2 Duo , 4GB RAM , 1TB disk , but no optical ) draws 14W at idle according to apple it even lower processor 's speed between keystrokes...http : //www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html [ apple.com ] Efficient power supply.Mac mini includes a highly efficient power supply that reduces the amount of power wasted when bringing electricity from the wall to your computer .
Lower power consumption reduces energy bills and lessens the environmental impact of greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.Advanced power management.Unlike a lot of Windows-based PC systems , Mac mini uses energy-efficient hardware components that work hand in hand with the operating system to conserve power .
Mac OS X spins down hard drives and activates sleep mode .
And it balances tasks across both central processors and graphics processors .
Mac OS X never misses a power-saving opportunity , no matter how small .
It even regulates the processor between keystrokes , reducing power between the letters you type .
That    s just one of many ways Apple manages small amounts of power that add up to big savings.Mac mini is a great example of Apple    s energy-efficient design philosophy .
It uses less than 14 watts of power when idle    that    s something no other desktop computer can do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>latest Mac Mini Server ($999 with the server software, 2.53GHz, Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 1TB disk, but no optical) draws 14W at idle according to apple it even lower processor's speed between keystrokes...http://www.apple.com/macmini/environment.html [apple.com] Efficient power supply.Mac mini includes a highly efficient power supply that reduces the amount of power wasted when bringing electricity from the wall to your computer.
Lower power consumption reduces energy bills and lessens the environmental impact of greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.Advanced power management.Unlike a lot of Windows-based PC systems, Mac mini uses energy-efficient hardware components that work hand in hand with the operating system to conserve power.
Mac OS X spins down hard drives and activates sleep mode.
And it balances tasks across both central processors and graphics processors.
Mac OS X never misses a power-saving opportunity, no matter how small.
It even regulates the processor between keystrokes, reducing power between the letters you type.
That’s just one of many ways Apple manages small amounts of power that add up to big savings.Mac mini is a great example of Apple’s energy-efficient design philosophy.
It uses less than 14 watts of power when idle — that’s something no other desktop computer can do.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868807</id>
	<title>Re:The elephant in the room... Performance</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1256487300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A fair question.  If your requirement for a "file server" is simply serving files, then a low-power device may work just fine.  For anything more, they're a bad choice.</p><p>I'm a big fan of Soekris boards.  While I can load one up to function as a firewall and router, in addition to providing mail, DNS, DHCP, IMAP, web, file (Samba and NFS), etc. services and get perfectly adequate and reliable performance, I don't.</p><p>For me, a file server, even in a SOHO environment, suggests multiple drives and RAID, among other things.  That translates into an "inexpensive server", not a cheap, low-power device.</p><p>I suspect most people offering up suggestions have a collection of image or mp3 files (and maybe that once-every-six-months backup of other computers or devices).  For them, performance isn't much of an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A fair question .
If your requirement for a " file server " is simply serving files , then a low-power device may work just fine .
For anything more , they 're a bad choice.I 'm a big fan of Soekris boards .
While I can load one up to function as a firewall and router , in addition to providing mail , DNS , DHCP , IMAP , web , file ( Samba and NFS ) , etc .
services and get perfectly adequate and reliable performance , I do n't.For me , a file server , even in a SOHO environment , suggests multiple drives and RAID , among other things .
That translates into an " inexpensive server " , not a cheap , low-power device.I suspect most people offering up suggestions have a collection of image or mp3 files ( and maybe that once-every-six-months backup of other computers or devices ) .
For them , performance is n't much of an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fair question.
If your requirement for a "file server" is simply serving files, then a low-power device may work just fine.
For anything more, they're a bad choice.I'm a big fan of Soekris boards.
While I can load one up to function as a firewall and router, in addition to providing mail, DNS, DHCP, IMAP, web, file (Samba and NFS), etc.
services and get perfectly adequate and reliable performance, I don't.For me, a file server, even in a SOHO environment, suggests multiple drives and RAID, among other things.
That translates into an "inexpensive server", not a cheap, low-power device.I suspect most people offering up suggestions have a collection of image or mp3 files (and maybe that once-every-six-months backup of other computers or devices).
For them, performance isn't much of an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865559</id>
	<title>Why a server?</title>
	<author>cpct0</author>
	<datestamp>1256495220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We went from having 2 computers with a server and a laptop to having 2 laptops, a base station and no cables. With today's 1TB 2.5 HDD and easy sharing through wireless N, it's relatively simple, efficient and in the past 3 years, we saved a crapload of money since we don't even come near a 500W power supply recent towers (nearly) require. When we wish to have access to our data from home without our computers, we leave them open and they are shared through our router. Otherwise, we have our computer with us, so we don't need to connect to them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>However, for your question, most vendors have small busyboxes with potential to plug a 2.5" USB-powerede external HDD, with hacking potential for more. If you want more (as you advertise), go to your local cheap used hardware store, get a netbook someone got tired of, and put additional HD. It should solve your problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We went from having 2 computers with a server and a laptop to having 2 laptops , a base station and no cables .
With today 's 1TB 2.5 HDD and easy sharing through wireless N , it 's relatively simple , efficient and in the past 3 years , we saved a crapload of money since we do n't even come near a 500W power supply recent towers ( nearly ) require .
When we wish to have access to our data from home without our computers , we leave them open and they are shared through our router .
Otherwise , we have our computer with us , so we do n't need to connect to them ; ) However , for your question , most vendors have small busyboxes with potential to plug a 2.5 " USB-powerede external HDD , with hacking potential for more .
If you want more ( as you advertise ) , go to your local cheap used hardware store , get a netbook someone got tired of , and put additional HD .
It should solve your problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We went from having 2 computers with a server and a laptop to having 2 laptops, a base station and no cables.
With today's 1TB 2.5 HDD and easy sharing through wireless N, it's relatively simple, efficient and in the past 3 years, we saved a crapload of money since we don't even come near a 500W power supply recent towers (nearly) require.
When we wish to have access to our data from home without our computers, we leave them open and they are shared through our router.
Otherwise, we have our computer with us, so we don't need to connect to them ;)However, for your question, most vendors have small busyboxes with potential to plug a 2.5" USB-powerede external HDD, with hacking potential for more.
If you want more (as you advertise), go to your local cheap used hardware store, get a netbook someone got tired of, and put additional HD.
It should solve your problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866263</id>
	<title>Re:So it's $70 a year....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256500140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure where he lives, but he's getting ripped off on his power rates.  I live in Ontario which is mostly nuclear.  I pay 5.6c / kWh base then jumps to 6.5 c after a certain amount of usage (this will change when time of day rates kick in).  But at an average of 6c / kWh, it only costs about $52 for me to run 100W year round.
</p><p>So here, to cut that to 30W would only save $37 per year.  Doesn't make any sense to spend $300 to save $37.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure where he lives , but he 's getting ripped off on his power rates .
I live in Ontario which is mostly nuclear .
I pay 5.6c / kWh base then jumps to 6.5 c after a certain amount of usage ( this will change when time of day rates kick in ) .
But at an average of 6c / kWh , it only costs about $ 52 for me to run 100W year round .
So here , to cut that to 30W would only save $ 37 per year .
Does n't make any sense to spend $ 300 to save $ 37 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure where he lives, but he's getting ripped off on his power rates.
I live in Ontario which is mostly nuclear.
I pay 5.6c / kWh base then jumps to 6.5 c after a certain amount of usage (this will change when time of day rates kick in).
But at an average of 6c / kWh, it only costs about $52 for me to run 100W year round.
So here, to cut that to 30W would only save $37 per year.
Doesn't make any sense to spend $300 to save $37.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876887</id>
	<title>Netbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256549580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes I know netbooks are intended to surf the net, but they do a pretty good job serving too. I have a Dell Mini9 (readily available for $199 new) running as a home entertainment/web server. It's running a N270 (1.6GHz atom) with 8GB SSD. I got a 16GB SDHC card for about 30 bucks, and occasionally have an external HD plugged in. I don't serve video so usually 16GB is enough.<br>It draws 12 watts under load (downloading the new ubuntu image at about 800KB/s while decoding xvid video/AC3 sound to a 32" TV while feeding a vnc session and a couple of bash shells performing various maintenance tasks), and about 9-10 without load. I haven't actually tested it with screen turned off, but can only assume it draws even less. This is with the USB bus powering a hub, a bluetooth dongle (voip and internet sharing with my really old pda), a wireless mouse/keyboard combo, and an external laptop pad with fan. The fan is actually not necessary if you want silence, since Mini9 uses fanless design. It doesn't run all that hot, but figured if the fan increases lifespan by even 2 months over 3 years then the extra $3 of electricity I paid will have been worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes I know netbooks are intended to surf the net , but they do a pretty good job serving too .
I have a Dell Mini9 ( readily available for $ 199 new ) running as a home entertainment/web server .
It 's running a N270 ( 1.6GHz atom ) with 8GB SSD .
I got a 16GB SDHC card for about 30 bucks , and occasionally have an external HD plugged in .
I do n't serve video so usually 16GB is enough.It draws 12 watts under load ( downloading the new ubuntu image at about 800KB/s while decoding xvid video/AC3 sound to a 32 " TV while feeding a vnc session and a couple of bash shells performing various maintenance tasks ) , and about 9-10 without load .
I have n't actually tested it with screen turned off , but can only assume it draws even less .
This is with the USB bus powering a hub , a bluetooth dongle ( voip and internet sharing with my really old pda ) , a wireless mouse/keyboard combo , and an external laptop pad with fan .
The fan is actually not necessary if you want silence , since Mini9 uses fanless design .
It does n't run all that hot , but figured if the fan increases lifespan by even 2 months over 3 years then the extra $ 3 of electricity I paid will have been worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes I know netbooks are intended to surf the net, but they do a pretty good job serving too.
I have a Dell Mini9 (readily available for $199 new) running as a home entertainment/web server.
It's running a N270 (1.6GHz atom) with 8GB SSD.
I got a 16GB SDHC card for about 30 bucks, and occasionally have an external HD plugged in.
I don't serve video so usually 16GB is enough.It draws 12 watts under load (downloading the new ubuntu image at about 800KB/s while decoding xvid video/AC3 sound to a 32" TV while feeding a vnc session and a couple of bash shells performing various maintenance tasks), and about 9-10 without load.
I haven't actually tested it with screen turned off, but can only assume it draws even less.
This is with the USB bus powering a hub, a bluetooth dongle (voip and internet sharing with my really old pda), a wireless mouse/keyboard combo, and an external laptop pad with fan.
The fan is actually not necessary if you want silence, since Mini9 uses fanless design.
It doesn't run all that hot, but figured if the fan increases lifespan by even 2 months over 3 years then the extra $3 of electricity I paid will have been worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29869357</id>
	<title>Re:Atom 330 Desktop/Server</title>
	<author>ChenHaw</author>
	<datestamp>1256496480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got the same board as you.  I'm looking for a good casing to fit it with a 2.5" 12oGB SATA HDD.  I think another option for low power server would be AMD Sempron on AMD ATI m-ATX motherboard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got the same board as you .
I 'm looking for a good casing to fit it with a 2.5 " 12oGB SATA HDD .
I think another option for low power server would be AMD Sempron on AMD ATI m-ATX motherboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got the same board as you.
I'm looking for a good casing to fit it with a 2.5" 12oGB SATA HDD.
I think another option for low power server would be AMD Sempron on AMD ATI m-ATX motherboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865943</id>
	<title>A couple random tips</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1256498280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been into low-power conventional computers for a while. You can buy an old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPAQ\_(desktop\_computer)" title="wikipedia.org">Compaq iPaq</a> [wikipedia.org] (the computer, not the PDA) for almost nothing ($10-$50 in speeds from 500 MHz Celeron to 1 GHz PIII) and they'll use 30W at idle and under light use. They come in "legacy" (serial, parallel) versions and "legacy-free" (USB only) versions. They have a bay that can hold a CD, floppy, or no drive. (Compatible with Armada laptops from the same era.) So beware that if you buy a used one it might come with no optical drive so shop carefully.</p><p>A <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=hp\%20slimline&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" title="google.com">slimline HP</a> [google.com] will also use about 30W and is a little newer and faster--the one I had was a 1.6 GHz Celeron with a DVD burner (could be a 2nd HDD instead) and SATA hard drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been into low-power conventional computers for a while .
You can buy an old Compaq iPaq [ wikipedia.org ] ( the computer , not the PDA ) for almost nothing ( $ 10- $ 50 in speeds from 500 MHz Celeron to 1 GHz PIII ) and they 'll use 30W at idle and under light use .
They come in " legacy " ( serial , parallel ) versions and " legacy-free " ( USB only ) versions .
They have a bay that can hold a CD , floppy , or no drive .
( Compatible with Armada laptops from the same era .
) So beware that if you buy a used one it might come with no optical drive so shop carefully.A slimline HP [ google.com ] will also use about 30W and is a little newer and faster--the one I had was a 1.6 GHz Celeron with a DVD burner ( could be a 2nd HDD instead ) and SATA hard drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been into low-power conventional computers for a while.
You can buy an old Compaq iPaq [wikipedia.org] (the computer, not the PDA) for almost nothing ($10-$50 in speeds from 500 MHz Celeron to 1 GHz PIII) and they'll use 30W at idle and under light use.
They come in "legacy" (serial, parallel) versions and "legacy-free" (USB only) versions.
They have a bay that can hold a CD, floppy, or no drive.
(Compatible with Armada laptops from the same era.
) So beware that if you buy a used one it might come with no optical drive so shop carefully.A slimline HP [google.com] will also use about 30W and is a little newer and faster--the one I had was a 1.6 GHz Celeron with a DVD burner (could be a 2nd HDD instead) and SATA hard drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866427</id>
	<title>Bubba</title>
	<author>DaveAtWorkAnnoyingly</author>
	<datestamp>1256501640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a couple of these:

<a href="http://www.excito.com/" title="excito.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.excito.com/</a> [excito.com] and they are excellent. However, after reading these posts, i'm also going to buy some of those plug servers. Never have too many servers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a couple of these : http : //www.excito.com/ [ excito.com ] and they are excellent .
However , after reading these posts , i 'm also going to buy some of those plug servers .
Never have too many servers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a couple of these:

http://www.excito.com/ [excito.com] and they are excellent.
However, after reading these posts, i'm also going to buy some of those plug servers.
Never have too many servers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865671</id>
	<title>5 minutes to install debian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It just takes minutes to install debian lenny on the arm laptop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It just takes minutes to install debian lenny on the arm laptop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It just takes minutes to install debian lenny on the arm laptop</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866843</id>
	<title>Mac Mini Intel, get it right, 20 watts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256462220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife has a mac mini intel 1.83GHz Core2 Duo with the gma950, 4 gigs ram, using wifi, 320 gig 5400 rpm drive and it takes 20 watts, the 20" viewsonic monitor takes 57 watts.  Total power for the PC and monitor is 77 watts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife has a mac mini intel 1.83GHz Core2 Duo with the gma950 , 4 gigs ram , using wifi , 320 gig 5400 rpm drive and it takes 20 watts , the 20 " viewsonic monitor takes 57 watts .
Total power for the PC and monitor is 77 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife has a mac mini intel 1.83GHz Core2 Duo with the gma950, 4 gigs ram, using wifi, 320 gig 5400 rpm drive and it takes 20 watts, the 20" viewsonic monitor takes 57 watts.
Total power for the PC and monitor is 77 watts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867251</id>
	<title>Soekris Engineering</title>
	<author>FreeBSD evangelist</author>
	<datestamp>1256466780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm running FreeBSD on one of these.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://www.soekris.com/shop/product\_info.php?products\_id=85" title="soekris.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.soekris.com/shop/product\_info.php?products\_id=85</a> [soekris.com]</p><p>These things are bullet-proof.  You'll want the HDD mounting kit ($10) to install a 2.5" laptop drive.  That will be the only moving part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running FreeBSD on one of these .
    https : //www.soekris.com/shop/product \ _info.php ? products \ _id = 85 [ soekris.com ] These things are bullet-proof .
You 'll want the HDD mounting kit ( $ 10 ) to install a 2.5 " laptop drive .
That will be the only moving part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running FreeBSD on one of these.
    https://www.soekris.com/shop/product\_info.php?products\_id=85 [soekris.com]These things are bullet-proof.
You'll want the HDD mounting kit ($10) to install a 2.5" laptop drive.
That will be the only moving part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29870593</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256556840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Memory is also an issue - with image rescaling, it's quite likely it's the issue that's biting you.  That said, ARMs can come with and without FPUs and image rescaling might well use FP (who writes optimised integer apps, nowadays?) so that could also be why it's so slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Memory is also an issue - with image rescaling , it 's quite likely it 's the issue that 's biting you .
That said , ARMs can come with and without FPUs and image rescaling might well use FP ( who writes optimised integer apps , nowadays ?
) so that could also be why it 's so slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Memory is also an issue - with image rescaling, it's quite likely it's the issue that's biting you.
That said, ARMs can come with and without FPUs and image rescaling might well use FP (who writes optimised integer apps, nowadays?
) so that could also be why it's so slow.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866985</id>
	<title>Use WOL</title>
	<author>JSmooth</author>
	<datestamp>1256463600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I setup a home server (print, file, ftp, smtp, on-demand packet sniffing, etc) on a 2GB MSI Wind Nettop.  This is a barebones PC and uses only 35Watts peak.  With HDD, RAM, etc total cost was $350.00</p><p>The coolest part is the "server" spends most of its time asleep (S3).  When someone in the house needs to print, access files, etc they have an icon that sends a magic packet to wake the server.  The server will then stay on as long as needed (based on CPU Util + 10 minutes)  and then go back to sleep.  Be doing this for 2+ years (old higher watt computer previously) and this solution works great for us.</p><p>-Joe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I setup a home server ( print , file , ftp , smtp , on-demand packet sniffing , etc ) on a 2GB MSI Wind Nettop .
This is a barebones PC and uses only 35Watts peak .
With HDD , RAM , etc total cost was $ 350.00The coolest part is the " server " spends most of its time asleep ( S3 ) .
When someone in the house needs to print , access files , etc they have an icon that sends a magic packet to wake the server .
The server will then stay on as long as needed ( based on CPU Util + 10 minutes ) and then go back to sleep .
Be doing this for 2 + years ( old higher watt computer previously ) and this solution works great for us.-Joe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I setup a home server (print, file, ftp, smtp, on-demand packet sniffing, etc) on a 2GB MSI Wind Nettop.
This is a barebones PC and uses only 35Watts peak.
With HDD, RAM, etc total cost was $350.00The coolest part is the "server" spends most of its time asleep (S3).
When someone in the house needs to print, access files, etc they have an icon that sends a magic packet to wake the server.
The server will then stay on as long as needed (based on CPU Util + 10 minutes)  and then go back to sleep.
Be doing this for 2+ years (old higher watt computer previously) and this solution works great for us.-Joe</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867149</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>ozbird</author>
	<datestamp>1256465340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get an Asus Eee Box.  I have the original B202 - it's effectively a Eee PC laptop in a thin client case, but with some minor differences (e.g. Gb ethernet instead of 100Mb.)  Later versions have better graphics (aimed at the media PC market), but that's overkill for a server role.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get an Asus Eee Box .
I have the original B202 - it 's effectively a Eee PC laptop in a thin client case , but with some minor differences ( e.g .
Gb ethernet instead of 100Mb .
) Later versions have better graphics ( aimed at the media PC market ) , but that 's overkill for a server role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get an Asus Eee Box.
I have the original B202 - it's effectively a Eee PC laptop in a thin client case, but with some minor differences (e.g.
Gb ethernet instead of 100Mb.
)  Later versions have better graphics (aimed at the media PC market), but that's overkill for a server role.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865461</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867441</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1256469060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget going to passive heatsinks (I just glue them on with a fat bead of epoxy around a dot of thermal paste, chisel off with a screwdriver if you want them back when disposing of the old system) and reducing the fan speed on the power supply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget going to passive heatsinks ( I just glue them on with a fat bead of epoxy around a dot of thermal paste , chisel off with a screwdriver if you want them back when disposing of the old system ) and reducing the fan speed on the power supply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget going to passive heatsinks (I just glue them on with a fat bead of epoxy around a dot of thermal paste, chisel off with a screwdriver if you want them back when disposing of the old system) and reducing the fan speed on the power supply.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868421</id>
	<title>Soekris 5501</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1256482380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>500 MHz AMD Geode, 512 MB RAM, 4 100 MB ethernet, 1 SATA port, 2 USB 2.0</p><p>5 watts</p><p>Runs linux like a champ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>500 MHz AMD Geode , 512 MB RAM , 4 100 MB ethernet , 1 SATA port , 2 USB 2.05 wattsRuns linux like a champ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>500 MHz AMD Geode, 512 MB RAM, 4 100 MB ethernet, 1 SATA port, 2 USB 2.05 wattsRuns linux like a champ.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868195</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>bconway</author>
	<datestamp>1256478900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts <a href="http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN" title="apple.com">http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN</a> [apple.com]</p> </div><p>Maximum. Mostly-idle use runs at 13W, which spanks an Atom in power/performance.

<a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468" title="apple.com">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468</a> [apple.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , the mac mini draws 110 watts http : //store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop \ _mac/family/mac \ _mini ? aid = AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp = BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN [ apple.com ] Maximum .
Mostly-idle use runs at 13W , which spanks an Atom in power/performance .
http : //support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN [apple.com] Maximum.
Mostly-idle use runs at 13W, which spanks an Atom in power/performance.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [apple.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865397</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865977</id>
	<title>BeagleBoard</title>
	<author>Bootarn</author>
	<datestamp>1256498460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about a <a href="http://beagleboard.org/" title="beagleboard.org">BeagleBoard</a> [beagleboard.org]?</p><p>You can connect an external drive over USB2.0. I couldn't find its wattage on the page, but it should be pretty low. Its's $149 and can be powered over USB. I've seen it run the ARM version of Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a BeagleBoard [ beagleboard.org ] ? You can connect an external drive over USB2.0 .
I could n't find its wattage on the page , but it should be pretty low .
Its 's $ 149 and can be powered over USB .
I 've seen it run the ARM version of Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a BeagleBoard [beagleboard.org]?You can connect an external drive over USB2.0.
I couldn't find its wattage on the page, but it should be pretty low.
Its's $149 and can be powered over USB.
I've seen it run the ARM version of Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865629</id>
	<title>Zotac Ionitx</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256495700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3562&amp;p=12" title="anandtech.com">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3562&amp;p=12</a> [anandtech.com]</p><p>According to this article, it's between 25-30W, and it fits into any standard Mini-ITX case. Couple it with a low power hard disk or CF drive and it'll be very power efficient. It's also possible to run it completely passively cooled, and if you wanted to use it as a media frontend, it'd be more than capable. You can even get a version that comes with it's own external power brick rather than a PSU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx ? i = 3562&amp;p = 12 [ anandtech.com ] According to this article , it 's between 25-30W , and it fits into any standard Mini-ITX case .
Couple it with a low power hard disk or CF drive and it 'll be very power efficient .
It 's also possible to run it completely passively cooled , and if you wanted to use it as a media frontend , it 'd be more than capable .
You can even get a version that comes with it 's own external power brick rather than a PSU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3562&amp;p=12 [anandtech.com]According to this article, it's between 25-30W, and it fits into any standard Mini-ITX case.
Couple it with a low power hard disk or CF drive and it'll be very power efficient.
It's also possible to run it completely passively cooled, and if you wanted to use it as a media frontend, it'd be more than capable.
You can even get a version that comes with it's own external power brick rather than a PSU.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866877</id>
	<title>Cobalt Qube2</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256462520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a Cobalt Qube2, add a second hard drive, install NetBSD or Debian and you are ready to go and they look awesome</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a Cobalt Qube2 , add a second hard drive , install NetBSD or Debian and you are ready to go and they look awesome</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a Cobalt Qube2, add a second hard drive, install NetBSD or Debian and you are ready to go and they look awesome</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867285</id>
	<title>90 Wt with 7 SATA drives</title>
	<author>egork</author>
	<datestamp>1256467200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an Athlon 64 with 7 drives installed and it all consumes only 90 Wt according to the UPS meter. With one drive this would probably go down to 60 Wt or lower. I am not sure it is worth it cutting this down to 30 Wt and loosing all the flexibility that there is with a standard Ubuntu install. An experiment with Linksys NSL demonstrated that it is too much overhead configuring it and making sure everything works. I have lost just too much time, to make out for that energy save.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an Athlon 64 with 7 drives installed and it all consumes only 90 Wt according to the UPS meter .
With one drive this would probably go down to 60 Wt or lower .
I am not sure it is worth it cutting this down to 30 Wt and loosing all the flexibility that there is with a standard Ubuntu install .
An experiment with Linksys NSL demonstrated that it is too much overhead configuring it and making sure everything works .
I have lost just too much time , to make out for that energy save .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an Athlon 64 with 7 drives installed and it all consumes only 90 Wt according to the UPS meter.
With one drive this would probably go down to 60 Wt or lower.
I am not sure it is worth it cutting this down to 30 Wt and loosing all the flexibility that there is with a standard Ubuntu install.
An experiment with Linksys NSL demonstrated that it is too much overhead configuring it and making sure everything works.
I have lost just too much time, to make out for that energy save.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866625</id>
	<title>TermTek 3350,3370, and 3880?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256503380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TermTek makes a nice line of 'Thin clients' (read full fledged computers sans hdd, coaster-drives and fans). I've found that the TK-3350 I had worked great. Nice quiet little boxes. (plug)I got mine from http://www.disklessworkstations.com/<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.(/plug)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TermTek makes a nice line of 'Thin clients ' ( read full fledged computers sans hdd , coaster-drives and fans ) .
I 've found that the TK-3350 I had worked great .
Nice quiet little boxes .
( plug ) I got mine from http : //www.disklessworkstations.com/ .
( /plug )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TermTek makes a nice line of 'Thin clients' (read full fledged computers sans hdd, coaster-drives and fans).
I've found that the TK-3350 I had worked great.
Nice quiet little boxes.
(plug)I got mine from http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ .
(/plug)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867819</id>
	<title>Re:Jetway w/ Atom, Vortex86</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256474040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running Slackware on a Jetway with an Atom 330 and a 4-port SATA daughterboard as my fileserver for a few months :<br>http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard\_view.asp?productid=573&amp;proname=NC92-330-LF<br>Haven't measured the power usage (I'm currently spinning 4 SATA and 2 PATA drives in it) but my monthly power bill seemed to come down about $10 after I replaced the AthonXP I was using. I only wish I could have used more RAM. I've seen some new ION-based boards with two RAM slots.<br>If you can fit all your needs into a single 2.5" (or 1.8" with adapter) drive managed by a 586-compatible CPU, there's the Norhtech Microclient Jr DX  and/or  DMP ebox-3300 (same machine, AFAIK). My Microclient Jr DX with two NICs and a CF card draws 5 watts, with occasional spikes to 6 watts.<br>http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.html<br>http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3300.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running Slackware on a Jetway with an Atom 330 and a 4-port SATA daughterboard as my fileserver for a few months : http : //www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard \ _view.asp ? productid = 573&amp;proname = NC92-330-LFHave n't measured the power usage ( I 'm currently spinning 4 SATA and 2 PATA drives in it ) but my monthly power bill seemed to come down about $ 10 after I replaced the AthonXP I was using .
I only wish I could have used more RAM .
I 've seen some new ION-based boards with two RAM slots.If you can fit all your needs into a single 2.5 " ( or 1.8 " with adapter ) drive managed by a 586-compatible CPU , there 's the Norhtech Microclient Jr DX and/or DMP ebox-3300 ( same machine , AFAIK ) .
My Microclient Jr DX with two NICs and a CF card draws 5 watts , with occasional spikes to 6 watts.http : //www.norhtec.com/products/index.htmlhttp : //www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3300.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running Slackware on a Jetway with an Atom 330 and a 4-port SATA daughterboard as my fileserver for a few months :http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard\_view.asp?productid=573&amp;proname=NC92-330-LFHaven't measured the power usage (I'm currently spinning 4 SATA and 2 PATA drives in it) but my monthly power bill seemed to come down about $10 after I replaced the AthonXP I was using.
I only wish I could have used more RAM.
I've seen some new ION-based boards with two RAM slots.If you can fit all your needs into a single 2.5" (or 1.8" with adapter) drive managed by a 586-compatible CPU, there's the Norhtech Microclient Jr DX  and/or  DMP ebox-3300 (same machine, AFAIK).
My Microclient Jr DX with two NICs and a CF card draws 5 watts, with occasional spikes to 6 watts.http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.htmlhttp://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3300.htm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866033</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256498760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That's not too surprising given it's a NAS not a full-fledged server</p></div></blockquote><p>No shit, sherlock.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not too surprising given it 's a NAS not a full-fledged serverNo shit , sherlock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not too surprising given it's a NAS not a full-fledged serverNo shit, sherlock.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873203</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>xkcdFan1011011101111</author>
	<datestamp>1256575740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We use a mac mini for an autonomous submarine.</p><p>Running two cores at full speed processing firewire camera feeds in real time and logging video to the hard drive, we still don't top 45 watts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We use a mac mini for an autonomous submarine.Running two cores at full speed processing firewire camera feeds in real time and logging video to the hard drive , we still do n't top 45 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We use a mac mini for an autonomous submarine.Running two cores at full speed processing firewire camera feeds in real time and logging video to the hard drive, we still don't top 45 watts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866903</id>
	<title>Re:Linkstation Pro Duo</title>
	<author>easyTree</author>
	<datestamp>1256462760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it really worth buying some new kit whose sole purpose is to save money when, towards the end of it's lifetime, you will just about have saved the money you spent to buy it? How about saving yourself the time and not doing it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really worth buying some new kit whose sole purpose is to save money when , towards the end of it 's lifetime , you will just about have saved the money you spent to buy it ?
How about saving yourself the time and not doing it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really worth buying some new kit whose sole purpose is to save money when, towards the end of it's lifetime, you will just about have saved the money you spent to buy it?
How about saving yourself the time and not doing it?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867389</id>
	<title>Re:How about a Linksys router or D-Link NAS box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256468520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open wrt als you refered, is verry good for routing services - but not so good for replacing a real fileserver...</p><p>if you want that - you'd be better of getting some kind of via nano, or how about a intel atom 330 (dual core),</p><p>to save power with the atom i did a undervolt and underclock once to make it a dualcore 800mhz cpu - running slackware linux it ran fine...</p><p>if you want a really home server - try clackconnect (you should buy it to heve a real deal - its not worth mutch if you dont imho)... or you can try amahi.org</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open wrt als you refered , is verry good for routing services - but not so good for replacing a real fileserver...if you want that - you 'd be better of getting some kind of via nano , or how about a intel atom 330 ( dual core ) ,to save power with the atom i did a undervolt and underclock once to make it a dualcore 800mhz cpu - running slackware linux it ran fine...if you want a really home server - try clackconnect ( you should buy it to heve a real deal - its not worth mutch if you dont imho ) ... or you can try amahi.org</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open wrt als you refered, is verry good for routing services - but not so good for replacing a real fileserver...if you want that - you'd be better of getting some kind of via nano, or how about a intel atom 330 (dual core),to save power with the atom i did a undervolt and underclock once to make it a dualcore 800mhz cpu - running slackware linux it ran fine...if you want a really home server - try clackconnect (you should buy it to heve a real deal - its not worth mutch if you dont imho)... or you can try amahi.org</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29873923</id>
	<title>Re:Zotac Ionitx</title>
	<author>HwyXingFrog</author>
	<datestamp>1256579340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I love mine, 1080p works awesome with XBMC in Linux running Ubuntu 9.04.

IONITX-A with the Wifi built in is nice too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I love mine , 1080p works awesome with XBMC in Linux running Ubuntu 9.04 .
IONITX-A with the Wifi built in is nice too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I love mine, 1080p works awesome with XBMC in Linux running Ubuntu 9.04.
IONITX-A with the Wifi built in is nice too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868413</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>mibus</author>
	<datestamp>1256482260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Fit-PC2 (Intel Atom) uses only 6W at idle, 8W full load.</p></div></blockquote><p>Another thumbs-up for the Fit-PC2 here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fit-PC2 ( Intel Atom ) uses only 6W at idle , 8W full load.Another thumbs-up for the Fit-PC2 here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fit-PC2 (Intel Atom) uses only 6W at idle, 8W full load.Another thumbs-up for the Fit-PC2 here.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865851</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>lopgok</author>
	<datestamp>1256497440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I built a bittorent server using an old pentium III M chip. It uses 17 watts AC at idle, including an external 2.5 inch hard drive. The upside is it is very quiet, low power, and can run any distro. The only downside is it doesn't have ECC memory, but as far as I know, no laptop does, and neither do any very low power computer. It has a dvd drive, and thanks to a notebook card, USB2. It doesn't have gigabit ethernet, but it supports a standard PS/2 keyboard, mouse, and VGA external video, so I can use a KVM switch to control it.
<br> <br>
You can read about my quest for a low power bittorrent server at <a href="http://www.weasel.com/comp\_server.html#bit2" title="weasel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.weasel.com/comp\_server.html#bit2</a> [weasel.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I built a bittorent server using an old pentium III M chip .
It uses 17 watts AC at idle , including an external 2.5 inch hard drive .
The upside is it is very quiet , low power , and can run any distro .
The only downside is it does n't have ECC memory , but as far as I know , no laptop does , and neither do any very low power computer .
It has a dvd drive , and thanks to a notebook card , USB2 .
It does n't have gigabit ethernet , but it supports a standard PS/2 keyboard , mouse , and VGA external video , so I can use a KVM switch to control it .
You can read about my quest for a low power bittorrent server at http : //www.weasel.com/comp \ _server.html # bit2 [ weasel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built a bittorent server using an old pentium III M chip.
It uses 17 watts AC at idle, including an external 2.5 inch hard drive.
The upside is it is very quiet, low power, and can run any distro.
The only downside is it doesn't have ECC memory, but as far as I know, no laptop does, and neither do any very low power computer.
It has a dvd drive, and thanks to a notebook card, USB2.
It doesn't have gigabit ethernet, but it supports a standard PS/2 keyboard, mouse, and VGA external video, so I can use a KVM switch to control it.
You can read about my quest for a low power bittorrent server at http://www.weasel.com/comp\_server.html#bit2 [weasel.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865529</id>
	<title>SheevaPlug, Open-RD, Beagleboard</title>
	<author>joib</author>
	<datestamp>1256494980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. and certainly others too. Lots of exciting hardware available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. and certainly others too .
Lots of exciting hardware available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. and certainly others too.
Lots of exciting hardware available.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865481</id>
	<title>ALIX</title>
	<author>starkadder</author>
	<datestamp>1256494740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I use one of these ALIX board with a 500 MHZ Geode processor:

<a href="http://www.netgate.com/product\_info.php?cPath=60\_84&amp;products\_id=673" title="netgate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.netgate.com/product\_info.php?cPath=60\_84&amp;products\_id=673</a> [netgate.com]

Uses less electricity than a night light!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use one of these ALIX board with a 500 MHZ Geode processor : http : //www.netgate.com/product \ _info.php ? cPath = 60 \ _84&amp;products \ _id = 673 [ netgate.com ] Uses less electricity than a night light !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I use one of these ALIX board with a 500 MHZ Geode processor:

http://www.netgate.com/product\_info.php?cPath=60\_84&amp;products\_id=673 [netgate.com]

Uses less electricity than a night light!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866543</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also own one, cost effective, makes no sound at all which is a huge plus for me, works great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also own one , cost effective , makes no sound at all which is a huge plus for me , works great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also own one, cost effective, makes no sound at all which is a huge plus for me, works great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29871543</id>
	<title>Re:Underclocking</title>
	<author>fgouget</author>
	<datestamp>1256567220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts <a href="http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN</a> [apple.com]</p> </div><p>Here's the consumption data for my Mac Mini which has a 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo and 1GB of RAM (measurements taken with a Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000):
</p><ul>
<li>off: 1.1W, 9.1VA, 0.13 cos Phi</li>
<li>suspended: 2.2W, 10.6VA, 0.22 cos Phi</li>
<li>idle: 19.7W, 28.5VA, 0.92 cos Phi</li>
<li>100\% CPU load + disc activity (compilation): 43.3W, 46VA, 0.94 cos Phi</li>
</ul><p>So as you can see the full load power consumption is nowhere near the 110W you quote.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , the mac mini draws 110 watts http : //store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop \ _mac/family/mac \ _mini ? aid = AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp = BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN [ apple.com ] Here 's the consumption data for my Mac Mini which has a 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo and 1GB of RAM ( measurements taken with a Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000 ) : off : 1.1W , 9.1VA , 0.13 cos Phi suspended : 2.2W , 10.6VA , 0.22 cos Phi idle : 19.7W , 28.5VA , 0.92 cos Phi 100 \ % CPU load + disc activity ( compilation ) : 43.3W , 46VA , 0.94 cos Phi So as you can see the full load power consumption is nowhere near the 110W you quote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, the mac mini draws 110 watts http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop\_mac/family/mac\_mini?aid=AIC-NAUS-K2-BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN&amp;cp=BUYNOW-MACMINI-DESIGN [apple.com] Here's the consumption data for my Mac Mini which has a 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo and 1GB of RAM (measurements taken with a Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000):

off: 1.1W, 9.1VA, 0.13 cos Phi
suspended: 2.2W, 10.6VA, 0.22 cos Phi
idle: 19.7W, 28.5VA, 0.92 cos Phi
100\% CPU load + disc activity (compilation): 43.3W, 46VA, 0.94 cos Phi
So as you can see the full load power consumption is nowhere near the 110W you quote.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868201</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256479020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, bang / (watts * $), an old laptop is your best bet. Lots of times, they get decommisioned when their batteries don't hold the charge they used to - but are often satisfactory for a short UPS of 5-10 minutes. You can get one that has a damaged screen, and do setup with a VGA monitor attached. But it really depends on how much storage space you need. If you need a great deal, then an old laptop may not be the best way to go, because it won't likely support SATA drives. You can get 250GB EIDE laptop drives, but the cost is high per GB storage. If you use a USB hard drive, your power savings are thrown away. You can probably get an "adequate" laptop (p3-600, 512mb, 20gb) for well under a hundred bucks on ebay. But if that's too much, ask around - I've found lots of friends who are willing to give away their "old" laptops for the asking.</p><p>Other than that, I'd suggest a sheeva plug device. They're pretty nice, but limited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , bang / ( watts * $ ) , an old laptop is your best bet .
Lots of times , they get decommisioned when their batteries do n't hold the charge they used to - but are often satisfactory for a short UPS of 5-10 minutes .
You can get one that has a damaged screen , and do setup with a VGA monitor attached .
But it really depends on how much storage space you need .
If you need a great deal , then an old laptop may not be the best way to go , because it wo n't likely support SATA drives .
You can get 250GB EIDE laptop drives , but the cost is high per GB storage .
If you use a USB hard drive , your power savings are thrown away .
You can probably get an " adequate " laptop ( p3-600 , 512mb , 20gb ) for well under a hundred bucks on ebay .
But if that 's too much , ask around - I 've found lots of friends who are willing to give away their " old " laptops for the asking.Other than that , I 'd suggest a sheeva plug device .
They 're pretty nice , but limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, bang / (watts * $), an old laptop is your best bet.
Lots of times, they get decommisioned when their batteries don't hold the charge they used to - but are often satisfactory for a short UPS of 5-10 minutes.
You can get one that has a damaged screen, and do setup with a VGA monitor attached.
But it really depends on how much storage space you need.
If you need a great deal, then an old laptop may not be the best way to go, because it won't likely support SATA drives.
You can get 250GB EIDE laptop drives, but the cost is high per GB storage.
If you use a USB hard drive, your power savings are thrown away.
You can probably get an "adequate" laptop (p3-600, 512mb, 20gb) for well under a hundred bucks on ebay.
But if that's too much, ask around - I've found lots of friends who are willing to give away their "old" laptops for the asking.Other than that, I'd suggest a sheeva plug device.
They're pretty nice, but limited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868275</id>
	<title>Intel Atom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256480580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might consider putting together a system based on the Intel D945GCLF2D board that has an integrated Atom CPU. Alternatively some companies (Acer and Asus for example) do sell desktops based on that board. It's the same basic configuration in most netbooks. I've run Ubuntu on it with no problems so I presume Debian will do fine as well.<br>See http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D-overview.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might consider putting together a system based on the Intel D945GCLF2D board that has an integrated Atom CPU .
Alternatively some companies ( Acer and Asus for example ) do sell desktops based on that board .
It 's the same basic configuration in most netbooks .
I 've run Ubuntu on it with no problems so I presume Debian will do fine as well.See http : //www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D-overview.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might consider putting together a system based on the Intel D945GCLF2D board that has an integrated Atom CPU.
Alternatively some companies (Acer and Asus for example) do sell desktops based on that board.
It's the same basic configuration in most netbooks.
I've run Ubuntu on it with no problems so I presume Debian will do fine as well.See http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D/D945GCLF2-D945GCLF2D-overview.htm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29877687</id>
	<title>Netgear ReadyNAS DUO</title>
	<author>doseas</author>
	<datestamp>1256552760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use the Netgear ReadyNAS DUO (http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx), which is discounted to about USD$270 for a single 1TB drive configuration.  I added a second 1TB drive in a RAID 10 configuration, bringing the total to about $320.

The unit draws about 35W, but can be put into disk spindown mode or powered up at specific times.

It is a Sparc-based CPU and includes a slightly modified version of Debian Sarge.  There is a supported add-on that gives SSH access to the box. I've fully enabled FTP &amp; HTTPS access.  Squeezebox and other standards are supported.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use the Netgear ReadyNAS DUO ( http : //netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx ) , which is discounted to about USD $ 270 for a single 1TB drive configuration .
I added a second 1TB drive in a RAID 10 configuration , bringing the total to about $ 320 .
The unit draws about 35W , but can be put into disk spindown mode or powered up at specific times .
It is a Sparc-based CPU and includes a slightly modified version of Debian Sarge .
There is a supported add-on that gives SSH access to the box .
I 've fully enabled FTP &amp; HTTPS access .
Squeezebox and other standards are supported .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use the Netgear ReadyNAS DUO (http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASDuo/RND2000.aspx), which is discounted to about USD$270 for a single 1TB drive configuration.
I added a second 1TB drive in a RAID 10 configuration, bringing the total to about $320.
The unit draws about 35W, but can be put into disk spindown mode or powered up at specific times.
It is a Sparc-based CPU and includes a slightly modified version of Debian Sarge.
There is a supported add-on that gives SSH access to the box.
I've fully enabled FTP &amp; HTTPS access.
Squeezebox and other standards are supported.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865885</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>DamonHD</author>
	<datestamp>1256497740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The SheevaPlug is great: I've come down from over 600W for a rack of Solaris servers via 18W for a Linux laptop to now under 4W for a SheevaPlug (all quiet/typical consumption) to provide the same services, see:</p><p><a href="http://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-SheevaPlug-setup.html" title="earth.org.uk">http://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-SheevaPlug-setup.html</a> [earth.org.uk]</p><p>(Served off the plug indeed...)</p><p>I've reduced the consumption so much that the plug now runs entirely off-grid from a small array of solar PV panels (under 200Wp) with a small (12V, 40Ah) battery to cover nights and very dull days...</p><p>Rgds</p><p>Damon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The SheevaPlug is great : I 've come down from over 600W for a rack of Solaris servers via 18W for a Linux laptop to now under 4W for a SheevaPlug ( all quiet/typical consumption ) to provide the same services , see : http : //www.earth.org.uk/note-on-SheevaPlug-setup.html [ earth.org.uk ] ( Served off the plug indeed... ) I 've reduced the consumption so much that the plug now runs entirely off-grid from a small array of solar PV panels ( under 200Wp ) with a small ( 12V , 40Ah ) battery to cover nights and very dull days...RgdsDamon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The SheevaPlug is great: I've come down from over 600W for a rack of Solaris servers via 18W for a Linux laptop to now under 4W for a SheevaPlug (all quiet/typical consumption) to provide the same services, see:http://www.earth.org.uk/note-on-SheevaPlug-setup.html [earth.org.uk](Served off the plug indeed...)I've reduced the consumption so much that the plug now runs entirely off-grid from a small array of solar PV panels (under 200Wp) with a small (12V, 40Ah) battery to cover nights and very dull days...RgdsDamon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866305</id>
	<title>Mac mini doesn't use anything like that</title>
	<author>johnw</author>
	<datestamp>1256500560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>85W for a Mac mini?  Nothing like that.  I tested an old one a few weeks back and it pulled less than 20W.  The latest ones claim rather less (can't remember the figures, but look at Apple's web site if you want to know).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>85W for a Mac mini ?
Nothing like that .
I tested an old one a few weeks back and it pulled less than 20W .
The latest ones claim rather less ( ca n't remember the figures , but look at Apple 's web site if you want to know ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>85W for a Mac mini?
Nothing like that.
I tested an old one a few weeks back and it pulled less than 20W.
The latest ones claim rather less (can't remember the figures, but look at Apple's web site if you want to know).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29885639</id>
	<title>Via processor (~20W) ~$100</title>
	<author>nitin.madan</author>
	<datestamp>1256666580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a C7 VIA processor board, a GB of ram . The peak power usage is 20W, idle power is 5 W. The CPU has built in sha1/sha2 support for encryption.
Its 1.5GHz. The cost of the complete "hack job"; board/ram/enclosure/power was $120.

I am using an external hdd to boot up linux - works great with my TV too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a C7 VIA processor board , a GB of ram .
The peak power usage is 20W , idle power is 5 W. The CPU has built in sha1/sha2 support for encryption .
Its 1.5GHz .
The cost of the complete " hack job " ; board/ram/enclosure/power was $ 120 .
I am using an external hdd to boot up linux - works great with my TV too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a C7 VIA processor board, a GB of ram .
The peak power usage is 20W, idle power is 5 W. The CPU has built in sha1/sha2 support for encryption.
Its 1.5GHz.
The cost of the complete "hack job"; board/ram/enclosure/power was $120.
I am using an external hdd to boot up linux - works great with my TV too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867089</id>
	<title>Re:Home servers and low power</title>
	<author>aaamr</author>
	<datestamp>1256464680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find a provider that will let you run what you want.  They are out there if you look.</p><p>I ditched the big 2 providers (Rogers, Bell) here in Toronto 7 years ago, and haven't looked back.</p><p>I get a static IP, no port restrictions, and excellent tech support when I need it... the kind where you get to talk to a human being who is knowledgable and will call you back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find a provider that will let you run what you want .
They are out there if you look.I ditched the big 2 providers ( Rogers , Bell ) here in Toronto 7 years ago , and have n't looked back.I get a static IP , no port restrictions , and excellent tech support when I need it... the kind where you get to talk to a human being who is knowledgable and will call you back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find a provider that will let you run what you want.
They are out there if you look.I ditched the big 2 providers (Rogers, Bell) here in Toronto 7 years ago, and haven't looked back.I get a static IP, no port restrictions, and excellent tech support when I need it... the kind where you get to talk to a human being who is knowledgable and will call you back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29875909</id>
	<title>Re:Mac Mini idles at 13 watts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256588460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here is Apples's spec on the power usage: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468</a> [apple.com] </p><p>I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.</p></div><p>Oh you have fallen for the mised out zero as well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... those sales types will do anything to sell something even more so when it comes to all this darn apple trash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is Apples 's spec on the power usage : http : //support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [ apple.com ] I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.Oh you have fallen for the mised out zero as well : - ) ... those sales types will do anything to sell something even more so when it comes to all this darn apple trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is Apples's spec on the power usage: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3468 [apple.com] I have confirmed 13W on a recent model using a kill-a-watt meter.Oh you have fallen for the mised out zero as well :-) ... those sales types will do anything to sell something even more so when it comes to all this darn apple trash.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868105</id>
	<title>Re:Sheeva Plug</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1256477760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sheeva is great, I get about 10Mb/s transfers to it as a file server. The only thing you do need to realize going into it is that there is no fpu on it, resulting in like a 20x hit if you try to run anything that wants floating point math.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sheeva is great , I get about 10Mb/s transfers to it as a file server .
The only thing you do need to realize going into it is that there is no fpu on it , resulting in like a 20x hit if you try to run anything that wants floating point math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sheeva is great, I get about 10Mb/s transfers to it as a file server.
The only thing you do need to realize going into it is that there is no fpu on it, resulting in like a 20x hit if you try to run anything that wants floating point math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29868037</id>
	<title>Skip some Latte's and get a life!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256476860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For one server?  Are you kidding me?</p><p>Skip a premium coffee each week and help your health, don't waste your time worrying about $70 a year on electricity.</p><p>Now if you had 300-5,000 servers?  Yeah, going from 100w to 30w would make a big difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For one server ?
Are you kidding me ? Skip a premium coffee each week and help your health , do n't waste your time worrying about $ 70 a year on electricity.Now if you had 300-5,000 servers ?
Yeah , going from 100w to 30w would make a big difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one server?
Are you kidding me?Skip a premium coffee each week and help your health, don't waste your time worrying about $70 a year on electricity.Now if you had 300-5,000 servers?
Yeah, going from 100w to 30w would make a big difference.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865843</id>
	<title>Re:Laptop</title>
	<author>loupgarou21</author>
	<datestamp>1256497380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If he's going to use a linux distro, he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor, or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely.  Then use ssh, vnc, or ard to control the computer remotely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If he 's going to use a linux distro , he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor , or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely .
Then use ssh , vnc , or ard to control the computer remotely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he's going to use a linux distro, he can use vbetool to turn off the monitor, or apple laptops will let you turn off the screen completely.
Then use ssh, vnc, or ard to control the computer remotely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29876177</id>
	<title>Industrial wireless bridges</title>
	<author>pyrr</author>
	<datestamp>1256589840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some industrial wireless bridges that are a bit behind the times and therefore dropping in price might be worth looking into, some were rather sophisticated, especially the ones built behind flatpanel antennae. I have one laying around that has a PCMCIA slot in it for the wireless card, when I tested it for functionality, it seemed pretty robust though I don't know all the specs on it. Even if they don't have things like USB or flash storage connectors built onto the boards, sometimes there are headers for a hacker to solder additional functionality on! Oh, and they're generally rather low power consumption, being designed to be powered-over-ethernet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some industrial wireless bridges that are a bit behind the times and therefore dropping in price might be worth looking into , some were rather sophisticated , especially the ones built behind flatpanel antennae .
I have one laying around that has a PCMCIA slot in it for the wireless card , when I tested it for functionality , it seemed pretty robust though I do n't know all the specs on it .
Even if they do n't have things like USB or flash storage connectors built onto the boards , sometimes there are headers for a hacker to solder additional functionality on !
Oh , and they 're generally rather low power consumption , being designed to be powered-over-ethernet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some industrial wireless bridges that are a bit behind the times and therefore dropping in price might be worth looking into, some were rather sophisticated, especially the ones built behind flatpanel antennae.
I have one laying around that has a PCMCIA slot in it for the wireless card, when I tested it for functionality, it seemed pretty robust though I don't know all the specs on it.
Even if they don't have things like USB or flash storage connectors built onto the boards, sometimes there are headers for a hacker to solder additional functionality on!
Oh, and they're generally rather low power consumption, being designed to be powered-over-ethernet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865719</id>
	<title>QNap Turbostation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256496360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>check out <a href="http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/" title="cyrius.com" rel="nofollow">www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/</a> [cyrius.com] for this. Especially the TS-109 has good power specs (14W under load), and there is a Debian Howto on the referenced page. The system has a 500MHz ARM cpu. Its newer sibling, the TS-119 has a 1.2 GHz cpu but I couldn't find power specs for it (only that is has a 36W power supply).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>check out www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/ [ cyrius.com ] for this .
Especially the TS-109 has good power specs ( 14W under load ) , and there is a Debian Howto on the referenced page .
The system has a 500MHz ARM cpu .
Its newer sibling , the TS-119 has a 1.2 GHz cpu but I could n't find power specs for it ( only that is has a 36W power supply ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>check out www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/qnap/ [cyrius.com] for this.
Especially the TS-109 has good power specs (14W under load), and there is a Debian Howto on the referenced page.
The system has a 500MHz ARM cpu.
Its newer sibling, the TS-119 has a 1.2 GHz cpu but I couldn't find power specs for it (only that is has a 36W power supply).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29865893</id>
	<title>There are lots of options beyond x86</title>
	<author>chaoskitty</author>
	<datestamp>1256497740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are some of the machines I run:</p><p>Cobalt Raq2 with 250 MHz MIPS processor, 256 megs of memory, and 500 gig hard drive - about 30 watts.<br>Mac mini, 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 gigs, 500 gig hard drive - about 20 watts when doing stuff (it maxes out at about 35 watts when the CPUs are pegged).<br>Quadra 605 (yes, I like classics), 40 MHz m68040, 132 megs of memory, 250 gig hard drive, about 22 watts.</p><p>If you want REALLY low power, pick up a Jornada 728 or the likes. It takes THREE watts (the meter shows four watts momentarily now and then), with a 206 MHz StrongARM, 64 megs of memory, and a 16 gig CF card. However, this doesn't help if you want to do lots of file hosting, but I figured it was worth a mention because it takes so little power. I run several Jornadas (including the 690, which uses SH3 processor) as DNS servers running BIND.</p><p>The one that might match your requirements best, though, is a Plextor PX-EH25L and the like. You can put in whatever size hard drive you like, and if you want, you can even get the new low power 5900 RPM drives which take half the power of a typical hard drive. It has 64 megs of memory, a 266 MHz SH4 processor, and two USB 2 ports which can be used with a CD or DVD drive, a second ethernet, more storage, or whatever you want to connect. With an inefficient 7200 RPM drive, it takes less than 20 watts (15 to 18), plus it is incredibly small and so far it's been completely stable.</p><p>Note that on all of these machines I run NetBSD because I prefer having one consistent OS across all of my architectures, but if you don't mind maintaining a different version of GNU/Linux for whichever you get, you'll be happy with any of the lower power devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some of the machines I run : Cobalt Raq2 with 250 MHz MIPS processor , 256 megs of memory , and 500 gig hard drive - about 30 watts.Mac mini , 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo , 4 gigs , 500 gig hard drive - about 20 watts when doing stuff ( it maxes out at about 35 watts when the CPUs are pegged ) .Quadra 605 ( yes , I like classics ) , 40 MHz m68040 , 132 megs of memory , 250 gig hard drive , about 22 watts.If you want REALLY low power , pick up a Jornada 728 or the likes .
It takes THREE watts ( the meter shows four watts momentarily now and then ) , with a 206 MHz StrongARM , 64 megs of memory , and a 16 gig CF card .
However , this does n't help if you want to do lots of file hosting , but I figured it was worth a mention because it takes so little power .
I run several Jornadas ( including the 690 , which uses SH3 processor ) as DNS servers running BIND.The one that might match your requirements best , though , is a Plextor PX-EH25L and the like .
You can put in whatever size hard drive you like , and if you want , you can even get the new low power 5900 RPM drives which take half the power of a typical hard drive .
It has 64 megs of memory , a 266 MHz SH4 processor , and two USB 2 ports which can be used with a CD or DVD drive , a second ethernet , more storage , or whatever you want to connect .
With an inefficient 7200 RPM drive , it takes less than 20 watts ( 15 to 18 ) , plus it is incredibly small and so far it 's been completely stable.Note that on all of these machines I run NetBSD because I prefer having one consistent OS across all of my architectures , but if you do n't mind maintaining a different version of GNU/Linux for whichever you get , you 'll be happy with any of the lower power devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are some of the machines I run:Cobalt Raq2 with 250 MHz MIPS processor, 256 megs of memory, and 500 gig hard drive - about 30 watts.Mac mini, 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4 gigs, 500 gig hard drive - about 20 watts when doing stuff (it maxes out at about 35 watts when the CPUs are pegged).Quadra 605 (yes, I like classics), 40 MHz m68040, 132 megs of memory, 250 gig hard drive, about 22 watts.If you want REALLY low power, pick up a Jornada 728 or the likes.
It takes THREE watts (the meter shows four watts momentarily now and then), with a 206 MHz StrongARM, 64 megs of memory, and a 16 gig CF card.
However, this doesn't help if you want to do lots of file hosting, but I figured it was worth a mention because it takes so little power.
I run several Jornadas (including the 690, which uses SH3 processor) as DNS servers running BIND.The one that might match your requirements best, though, is a Plextor PX-EH25L and the like.
You can put in whatever size hard drive you like, and if you want, you can even get the new low power 5900 RPM drives which take half the power of a typical hard drive.
It has 64 megs of memory, a 266 MHz SH4 processor, and two USB 2 ports which can be used with a CD or DVD drive, a second ethernet, more storage, or whatever you want to connect.
With an inefficient 7200 RPM drive, it takes less than 20 watts (15 to 18), plus it is incredibly small and so far it's been completely stable.Note that on all of these machines I run NetBSD because I prefer having one consistent OS across all of my architectures, but if you don't mind maintaining a different version of GNU/Linux for whichever you get, you'll be happy with any of the lower power devices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29866491</id>
	<title>Re:why bother</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256502180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This.</p><p>Unless your current system is slurping down 1000 Watts and killing kittens, don't worry about upgrading. In four years time you'll have to start swapping out failing components anyway (Motherboard, Harddrives, RAM etc), in which case you'll be due for a upgrade anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This.Unless your current system is slurping down 1000 Watts and killing kittens , do n't worry about upgrading .
In four years time you 'll have to start swapping out failing components anyway ( Motherboard , Harddrives , RAM etc ) , in which case you 'll be due for a upgrade anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.Unless your current system is slurping down 1000 Watts and killing kittens, don't worry about upgrading.
In four years time you'll have to start swapping out failing components anyway (Motherboard, Harddrives, RAM etc), in which case you'll be due for a upgrade anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_25_1615203.29867585</id>
	<title>Definitely consider the BeagleBoard for $150</title>
	<author>Nettech47</author>
	<datestamp>1256471460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://beagleboard.org/" title="beagleboard.org" rel="nofollow">http://beagleboard.org/</a> [beagleboard.org]

Definitely consider the BeagleBoard for $150, especially if you are into building a custom low-power Linux box. Open-Source hardware, draws 2 watts. A little overkill with DVI-D / S-VID output ports, and currently only USB, but the price is right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //beagleboard.org/ [ beagleboard.org ] Definitely consider the BeagleBoard for $ 150 , especially if you are into building a custom low-power Linux box .
Open-Source hardware , draws 2 watts .
A little overkill with DVI-D / S-VID output ports , and currently only USB , but the price is right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://beagleboard.org/ [beagleboard.org]

Definitely consider the BeagleBoard for $150, especially if you are into building a custom low-power Linux box.
Open-Source hardware, draws 2 watts.
A little overkill with DVI-D / S-VID output ports, and currently only USB, but the price is right.</sentencetext>
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