<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_23_1552237</id>
	<title>Developing Nations Crippled By Broadband Costs</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1256319960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:my/.username@@@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">eldavojohn</a> writes <i>"If you live in the EU, you probably enjoy low broadband costs.  If you live in Finland, <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/14/2229231/-1Mb-Broadband-Access-Becomes-Legal-Right-In-Finland">it's even a legal right</a>.  If you live in the US, you probably pay a moderate cost.  But if you live in the developing world, a <a href="http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE59M08620091023?sp=true">UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim</a>.  Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet &mdash; like online banking and market tools."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " If you live in the EU , you probably enjoy low broadband costs .
If you live in Finland , it 's even a legal right .
If you live in the US , you probably pay a moderate cost .
But if you live in the developing world , a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim .
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet    like online banking and market tools .
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "If you live in the EU, you probably enjoy low broadband costs.
If you live in Finland, it's even a legal right.
If you live in the US, you probably pay a moderate cost.
But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim.
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet — like online banking and market tools.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849447</id>
	<title>Broadband costs can be high in the EU...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256326980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>depending on which country you live in, and in which area of the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>depending on which country you live in , and in which area of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>depending on which country you live in, and in which area of the country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850813</id>
	<title>Re:Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs</title>
	<author>Manywele</author>
	<datestamp>1256289120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're used to dealing with bad transportation and roads, no or spotty electricity, using pit latrines and poor medical care.  Those problems are being worked on and are showing improvement. [Fermi problem: what would it cost to take say, Tanzania, and give it a complete first world infrastructure; highways, paved local roads, sewage treatment, electricity, water, trash pickup?]  Does that mean you think that the rapid expansion of cell networks in Africa and the resulting connectivity is wasted or shouldn't have been done?  Third world residents deserve access to the modern world and broadband is part of that.<br> <br>

As a Peace Corps volunteer in 1999 the internet (very slow shared connection) was 2 days away and cost 1$/hour.  Now it's a couple of hours away from where I lived, half the price and 10x faster.  That needs to keep expanding.  I tried explaining what the internet was to a rural friend.  He had *seen* a phone once 10 years ago.  Now he has one.  The internet needs to go that way.  People deserve access to information.  Hey, maybe they'll start to figure out some of the solutions to their problems themselves instead of relying on people to tell them what to do.<br> <br>

[5 years in the Peace Corps in rural West &amp; East Africa.]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're used to dealing with bad transportation and roads , no or spotty electricity , using pit latrines and poor medical care .
Those problems are being worked on and are showing improvement .
[ Fermi problem : what would it cost to take say , Tanzania , and give it a complete first world infrastructure ; highways , paved local roads , sewage treatment , electricity , water , trash pickup ?
] Does that mean you think that the rapid expansion of cell networks in Africa and the resulting connectivity is wasted or should n't have been done ?
Third world residents deserve access to the modern world and broadband is part of that .
As a Peace Corps volunteer in 1999 the internet ( very slow shared connection ) was 2 days away and cost 1 $ /hour .
Now it 's a couple of hours away from where I lived , half the price and 10x faster .
That needs to keep expanding .
I tried explaining what the internet was to a rural friend .
He had * seen * a phone once 10 years ago .
Now he has one .
The internet needs to go that way .
People deserve access to information .
Hey , maybe they 'll start to figure out some of the solutions to their problems themselves instead of relying on people to tell them what to do .
[ 5 years in the Peace Corps in rural West &amp; East Africa .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're used to dealing with bad transportation and roads, no or spotty electricity, using pit latrines and poor medical care.
Those problems are being worked on and are showing improvement.
[Fermi problem: what would it cost to take say, Tanzania, and give it a complete first world infrastructure; highways, paved local roads, sewage treatment, electricity, water, trash pickup?
]  Does that mean you think that the rapid expansion of cell networks in Africa and the resulting connectivity is wasted or shouldn't have been done?
Third world residents deserve access to the modern world and broadband is part of that.
As a Peace Corps volunteer in 1999 the internet (very slow shared connection) was 2 days away and cost 1$/hour.
Now it's a couple of hours away from where I lived, half the price and 10x faster.
That needs to keep expanding.
I tried explaining what the internet was to a rural friend.
He had *seen* a phone once 10 years ago.
Now he has one.
The internet needs to go that way.
People deserve access to information.
Hey, maybe they'll start to figure out some of the solutions to their problems themselves instead of relying on people to tell them what to do.
[5 years in the Peace Corps in rural West &amp; East Africa.
]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851755</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1256292840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.</p></div></blockquote><p>You'd have better luck using PET bottles.  Even more so if they are silvered on one side or placed on something reflective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.You 'd have better luck using PET bottles .
Even more so if they are silvered on one side or placed on something reflective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.You'd have better luck using PET bottles.
Even more so if they are silvered on one side or placed on something reflective.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849301</id>
	<title>Broadband access does matter</title>
	<author>kingduct</author>
	<datestamp>1256326440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having spent several years living in Ecuador, I can say that broadband access does matter. Just because other things also matter, such as water, food, roads, and whatnot, doesn't mean that one of the key infrastructural elements of communication and creativity in the world today is unimportant. Yes, I believe that the top priorities must be health care and education, since they are the basis of what can be provided to help people improve their lives, but other infrastructural issues are important, and indeed are among the tools that can improve health care and education.</p><p>The real problem however is not costs. The real problem is inequality. This makes the few powerful and they then manipulate prices to their own benefit. Infrastructure is much cheaper to set up, because normal laborers make a fraction of what people in the first-world make, yet the rates for using that infrastructure are much higher in absolute terms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having spent several years living in Ecuador , I can say that broadband access does matter .
Just because other things also matter , such as water , food , roads , and whatnot , does n't mean that one of the key infrastructural elements of communication and creativity in the world today is unimportant .
Yes , I believe that the top priorities must be health care and education , since they are the basis of what can be provided to help people improve their lives , but other infrastructural issues are important , and indeed are among the tools that can improve health care and education.The real problem however is not costs .
The real problem is inequality .
This makes the few powerful and they then manipulate prices to their own benefit .
Infrastructure is much cheaper to set up , because normal laborers make a fraction of what people in the first-world make , yet the rates for using that infrastructure are much higher in absolute terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having spent several years living in Ecuador, I can say that broadband access does matter.
Just because other things also matter, such as water, food, roads, and whatnot, doesn't mean that one of the key infrastructural elements of communication and creativity in the world today is unimportant.
Yes, I believe that the top priorities must be health care and education, since they are the basis of what can be provided to help people improve their lives, but other infrastructural issues are important, and indeed are among the tools that can improve health care and education.The real problem however is not costs.
The real problem is inequality.
This makes the few powerful and they then manipulate prices to their own benefit.
Infrastructure is much cheaper to set up, because normal laborers make a fraction of what people in the first-world make, yet the rates for using that infrastructure are much higher in absolute terms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850835</id>
	<title>Priorities ?</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1256289180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a drought in Ethiopia comparable to the one in 1984 that took 1 million lives<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and you're worried about broadband access ?</p><p>Get a grip, ffs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a drought in Ethiopia comparable to the one in 1984 that took 1 million lives ... and you 're worried about broadband access ? Get a grip , ffs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a drought in Ethiopia comparable to the one in 1984 that took 1 million lives ... and you're worried about broadband access ?Get a grip, ffs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849133</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256325840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer.  It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.</p><p>Reading online about how to farm doesn't do a whole lot to a starving family in Africa.  Internet access is not all that important to most starving people, in fact, I would imagine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution to hunger , as I am aware of , has never been to give them a computer .
It 's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.Reading online about how to farm does n't do a whole lot to a starving family in Africa .
Internet access is not all that important to most starving people , in fact , I would imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer.
It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.Reading online about how to farm doesn't do a whole lot to a starving family in Africa.
Internet access is not all that important to most starving people, in fact, I would imagine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848779</id>
	<title>The EU is a really small place</title>
	<author>lamadude</author>
	<datestamp>1256324520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The EU has half a billion (mostly rich) people living in an area half the size of Australia, this is an ideal situation for broadband development. If you look at just Sudan and DRC together, these are already larger than the 27 member states of the EU combined. I suspect that in Africa, just like everywhere else, relatively wealthy countries with a high population density will have the best broadband connections. (Egypt? South Africa?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU has half a billion ( mostly rich ) people living in an area half the size of Australia , this is an ideal situation for broadband development .
If you look at just Sudan and DRC together , these are already larger than the 27 member states of the EU combined .
I suspect that in Africa , just like everywhere else , relatively wealthy countries with a high population density will have the best broadband connections .
( Egypt ? South Africa ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU has half a billion (mostly rich) people living in an area half the size of Australia, this is an ideal situation for broadband development.
If you look at just Sudan and DRC together, these are already larger than the 27 member states of the EU combined.
I suspect that in Africa, just like everywhere else, relatively wealthy countries with a high population density will have the best broadband connections.
(Egypt? South Africa?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852457</id>
	<title>I know it too well.</title>
	<author>De-Jean7777</author>
	<datestamp>1256297340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Bosnia and Herzegovina you can get flat rate at our only ISP (HT Mostar) that provides ADSL (with fair use clause, which means it's not flat) internet access for over 40 euro with a 512/64 KBits/s connection (it's a mockery to call it broadband), with a 12 month contract minimum or you pay more. RIP-OFF.</p><p>Their advertisements and their behavior make me wanna puke.</p><p>I pay 20  for my 2048/256 KBit/s connection with 5 GiB monthly traffic. Seeing as there are 3 more people using the connection other than me, this is barely enough to have decent use of the internet. This means no internet radio, no YouTube and video, no surfing all you want. The last 10 days I can't even do much besides IM and e-mail since I'm always close to the traffic limit. Sure I could go over the limit and get a a much larger bill.</p><p>The largest flat rate package (again with the fair use policy) costs over 80 euro. Well, that's monopol.</p><p>And no, I don't starve. I have water (most of the time), even though we don't have water supply here (we use large reservoirs and collect rain water). But shit happens and sometimes we run out of water during summer, then we pay someone to get us a cistern of water. Apparently our local government are working on that (yay!). We have food and electricity (most of the time as the infrastructure is a disaster). We aren't dying of starvation like people in Ethiopia, but it is not easy compared to some people in the world who take food, water and electricity for granted.</p><p>Could I live without internet? Probably, but probably not as I'm a computer technologies student.</p><p>But hey, I want to surf the web, be able to update my OS and software, download Linux distributions and (free) games and play them, keep in touch with my relatives over Skype or other communication means (cause it's way cheaper than what the same company that gives us ADSL charges us for telephone), watch video and listen to internet radio, be part of the community, perform any tasks that for college requires internet, download drivers and other stuff, help my friends remotely over internet (e.g. Remote Desktop). I don't need to download gigabytes of music, videos and games, I just don't want to count every megabyte of traffic I spend in fear that I'll go over the limit and will have to pay more.</p><p>Soon Fedora 12 will be released and downloading the Fedora 12 DVD will be a pain, because I can kiss internet access goodbye for most of the month. Let's not mention downloading any extra packages I may need (there are always those) and updating Fedora and other packages over time.</p><p>Developing Nations Crippled By Broandband Costs. Well, duh! We're mostly crippled by those monopolistic opportunistic bastards in government and companies who don't give shit about people and progress as long as they have a comfortable life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Bosnia and Herzegovina you can get flat rate at our only ISP ( HT Mostar ) that provides ADSL ( with fair use clause , which means it 's not flat ) internet access for over 40 euro with a 512/64 KBits/s connection ( it 's a mockery to call it broadband ) , with a 12 month contract minimum or you pay more .
RIP-OFF.Their advertisements and their behavior make me wan na puke.I pay 20 for my 2048/256 KBit/s connection with 5 GiB monthly traffic .
Seeing as there are 3 more people using the connection other than me , this is barely enough to have decent use of the internet .
This means no internet radio , no YouTube and video , no surfing all you want .
The last 10 days I ca n't even do much besides IM and e-mail since I 'm always close to the traffic limit .
Sure I could go over the limit and get a a much larger bill.The largest flat rate package ( again with the fair use policy ) costs over 80 euro .
Well , that 's monopol.And no , I do n't starve .
I have water ( most of the time ) , even though we do n't have water supply here ( we use large reservoirs and collect rain water ) .
But shit happens and sometimes we run out of water during summer , then we pay someone to get us a cistern of water .
Apparently our local government are working on that ( yay ! ) .
We have food and electricity ( most of the time as the infrastructure is a disaster ) .
We are n't dying of starvation like people in Ethiopia , but it is not easy compared to some people in the world who take food , water and electricity for granted.Could I live without internet ?
Probably , but probably not as I 'm a computer technologies student.But hey , I want to surf the web , be able to update my OS and software , download Linux distributions and ( free ) games and play them , keep in touch with my relatives over Skype or other communication means ( cause it 's way cheaper than what the same company that gives us ADSL charges us for telephone ) , watch video and listen to internet radio , be part of the community , perform any tasks that for college requires internet , download drivers and other stuff , help my friends remotely over internet ( e.g .
Remote Desktop ) .
I do n't need to download gigabytes of music , videos and games , I just do n't want to count every megabyte of traffic I spend in fear that I 'll go over the limit and will have to pay more.Soon Fedora 12 will be released and downloading the Fedora 12 DVD will be a pain , because I can kiss internet access goodbye for most of the month .
Let 's not mention downloading any extra packages I may need ( there are always those ) and updating Fedora and other packages over time.Developing Nations Crippled By Broandband Costs .
Well , duh !
We 're mostly crippled by those monopolistic opportunistic bastards in government and companies who do n't give shit about people and progress as long as they have a comfortable life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Bosnia and Herzegovina you can get flat rate at our only ISP (HT Mostar) that provides ADSL (with fair use clause, which means it's not flat) internet access for over 40 euro with a 512/64 KBits/s connection (it's a mockery to call it broadband), with a 12 month contract minimum or you pay more.
RIP-OFF.Their advertisements and their behavior make me wanna puke.I pay 20  for my 2048/256 KBit/s connection with 5 GiB monthly traffic.
Seeing as there are 3 more people using the connection other than me, this is barely enough to have decent use of the internet.
This means no internet radio, no YouTube and video, no surfing all you want.
The last 10 days I can't even do much besides IM and e-mail since I'm always close to the traffic limit.
Sure I could go over the limit and get a a much larger bill.The largest flat rate package (again with the fair use policy) costs over 80 euro.
Well, that's monopol.And no, I don't starve.
I have water (most of the time), even though we don't have water supply here (we use large reservoirs and collect rain water).
But shit happens and sometimes we run out of water during summer, then we pay someone to get us a cistern of water.
Apparently our local government are working on that (yay!).
We have food and electricity (most of the time as the infrastructure is a disaster).
We aren't dying of starvation like people in Ethiopia, but it is not easy compared to some people in the world who take food, water and electricity for granted.Could I live without internet?
Probably, but probably not as I'm a computer technologies student.But hey, I want to surf the web, be able to update my OS and software, download Linux distributions and (free) games and play them, keep in touch with my relatives over Skype or other communication means (cause it's way cheaper than what the same company that gives us ADSL charges us for telephone), watch video and listen to internet radio, be part of the community, perform any tasks that for college requires internet, download drivers and other stuff, help my friends remotely over internet (e.g.
Remote Desktop).
I don't need to download gigabytes of music, videos and games, I just don't want to count every megabyte of traffic I spend in fear that I'll go over the limit and will have to pay more.Soon Fedora 12 will be released and downloading the Fedora 12 DVD will be a pain, because I can kiss internet access goodbye for most of the month.
Let's not mention downloading any extra packages I may need (there are always those) and updating Fedora and other packages over time.Developing Nations Crippled By Broandband Costs.
Well, duh!
We're mostly crippled by those monopolistic opportunistic bastards in government and companies who don't give shit about people and progress as long as they have a comfortable life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29854757</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>mgcarley</author>
	<datestamp>1256327820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To Amartya Sen: Really? Are you sure? I hope you weren't a history major.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To Amartya Sen : Really ?
Are you sure ?
I hope you were n't a history major .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To Amartya Sen: Really?
Are you sure?
I hope you weren't a history major.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848545</id>
	<title>Developing nations: wireless is your friend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nuff said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nuff said.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850123</id>
	<title>ITT: Dumb Americans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256329620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guys, you're making yourself look bad with all this "why don't they build roads and proper houses" bullshit. They already have. You think the people in those offshore call centres sit in mud huts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , you 're making yourself look bad with all this " why do n't they build roads and proper houses " bullshit .
They already have .
You think the people in those offshore call centres sit in mud huts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, you're making yourself look bad with all this "why don't they build roads and proper houses" bullshit.
They already have.
You think the people in those offshore call centres sit in mud huts?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850737</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1256288760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8257153.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">Case in point</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Case in point [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Case in point [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849249</id>
	<title>Ridiculous?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256326260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ridiculously high bandwidth costs"?</p><p>If you're so clever why don't you go and sell them a broadband infrastructure for oh so much cheaper.</p><p>I'm sure once you've built exchanges (and power plants to run them), hired a cable ship to lay submarine fibres in, bought international bandwidth, servers, hired a huge technical support team to keep this running for more than 15 minutes you'll have no problem with selling people high speed broadband for a few dollars a month! right? hey where'd everyone go? it's easy right? we'll get loads of customers! just need to find a really stupid investor... how about the government? Oh wait, they have no money either</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ridiculously high bandwidth costs " ? If you 're so clever why do n't you go and sell them a broadband infrastructure for oh so much cheaper.I 'm sure once you 've built exchanges ( and power plants to run them ) , hired a cable ship to lay submarine fibres in , bought international bandwidth , servers , hired a huge technical support team to keep this running for more than 15 minutes you 'll have no problem with selling people high speed broadband for a few dollars a month !
right ? hey where 'd everyone go ?
it 's easy right ?
we 'll get loads of customers !
just need to find a really stupid investor... how about the government ?
Oh wait , they have no money either</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ridiculously high bandwidth costs"?If you're so clever why don't you go and sell them a broadband infrastructure for oh so much cheaper.I'm sure once you've built exchanges (and power plants to run them), hired a cable ship to lay submarine fibres in, bought international bandwidth, servers, hired a huge technical support team to keep this running for more than 15 minutes you'll have no problem with selling people high speed broadband for a few dollars a month!
right? hey where'd everyone go?
it's easy right?
we'll get loads of customers!
just need to find a really stupid investor... how about the government?
Oh wait, they have no money either</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29855219</id>
	<title>Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne</title>
	<author>batje14</author>
	<datestamp>1256382840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Absolutely correct.<br> <br>

Africa is all about m-banking at the moment. It's extremely popular,all mobile operators are rolling it out:
<a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539444/606272/-/rv5n6h/-/index.html" title="businessdailyafrica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539444/606272/-/rv5n6h/-/index.html</a> [businessdailyafrica.com] <br> <br>

Next step would definitly be online banking, as in, not tied to a mobile operator, using (much cheaper) IP than mobile connections, and if the banks can finally get serious, proper banks running it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely correct .
Africa is all about m-banking at the moment .
It 's extremely popular,all mobile operators are rolling it out : http : //www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539444/606272/-/rv5n6h/-/index.html [ businessdailyafrica.com ] Next step would definitly be online banking , as in , not tied to a mobile operator , using ( much cheaper ) IP than mobile connections , and if the banks can finally get serious , proper banks running it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely correct.
Africa is all about m-banking at the moment.
It's extremely popular,all mobile operators are rolling it out:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539444/606272/-/rv5n6h/-/index.html [businessdailyafrica.com]  

Next step would definitly be online banking, as in, not tied to a mobile operator, using (much cheaper) IP than mobile connections, and if the banks can finally get serious, proper banks running it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29858085</id>
	<title>Re:This is undertandable...</title>
	<author>BoppreH</author>
	<datestamp>1256410620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What?<br> <br>"Developing nations" is a pretty loose term. I do live in a "developing nation" and I'm yet to see any city WITHOUT addresses.<br> <br>It's troubling to see such a claim being modded +5 Insightful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
" Developing nations " is a pretty loose term .
I do live in a " developing nation " and I 'm yet to see any city WITHOUT addresses .
It 's troubling to see such a claim being modded + 5 Insightful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
"Developing nations" is a pretty loose term.
I do live in a "developing nation" and I'm yet to see any city WITHOUT addresses.
It's troubling to see such a claim being modded +5 Insightful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848939</id>
	<title>It's a right allright...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256325060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay.. so the 1Mb broadband right is a law in Finland.</p><p>But I for one am pissed at the price differences between regions. If you live in the vicinity of a moderately sized Finnish city, you might get 30Mb cable connection for about 35 euros per month. Move just 90 kilometers to a smaller town, and you get a 1Mb DSL for 50 euros per month. The consumer can't do anything because usually the smaller cities only have one service provider. The provider can pretty much do anything with the pricing.</p><p>How's that fair or cheap? Is this a problem in other countries also?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay.. so the 1Mb broadband right is a law in Finland.But I for one am pissed at the price differences between regions .
If you live in the vicinity of a moderately sized Finnish city , you might get 30Mb cable connection for about 35 euros per month .
Move just 90 kilometers to a smaller town , and you get a 1Mb DSL for 50 euros per month .
The consumer ca n't do anything because usually the smaller cities only have one service provider .
The provider can pretty much do anything with the pricing.How 's that fair or cheap ?
Is this a problem in other countries also ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay.. so the 1Mb broadband right is a law in Finland.But I for one am pissed at the price differences between regions.
If you live in the vicinity of a moderately sized Finnish city, you might get 30Mb cable connection for about 35 euros per month.
Move just 90 kilometers to a smaller town, and you get a 1Mb DSL for 50 euros per month.
The consumer can't do anything because usually the smaller cities only have one service provider.
The provider can pretty much do anything with the pricing.How's that fair or cheap?
Is this a problem in other countries also?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853693</id>
	<title>Crippled in the USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256310000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are cities of moderate size (100,000 residents) in the US where there are no decent, cheap solutons for broadband access. Albany, the capitol of New York State, has only cable modems available, and they're slow, unreliable, and expensive. Yet the suburbs of the city of had FiOS for some time. The problem is income disparities - in NYS, poorer zip codes are deprived of DSL while middle class an rich neighborhoods are showered with FiOS. Yet the politicians continue to let Verizon do whatever it wants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are cities of moderate size ( 100,000 residents ) in the US where there are no decent , cheap solutons for broadband access .
Albany , the capitol of New York State , has only cable modems available , and they 're slow , unreliable , and expensive .
Yet the suburbs of the city of had FiOS for some time .
The problem is income disparities - in NYS , poorer zip codes are deprived of DSL while middle class an rich neighborhoods are showered with FiOS .
Yet the politicians continue to let Verizon do whatever it wants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are cities of moderate size (100,000 residents) in the US where there are no decent, cheap solutons for broadband access.
Albany, the capitol of New York State, has only cable modems available, and they're slow, unreliable, and expensive.
Yet the suburbs of the city of had FiOS for some time.
The problem is income disparities - in NYS, poorer zip codes are deprived of DSL while middle class an rich neighborhoods are showered with FiOS.
Yet the politicians continue to let Verizon do whatever it wants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853253</id>
	<title>Ridiculously high broadband costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256304900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess that includes Australia then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that includes Australia then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that includes Australia then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849679</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1256327880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>So once you have security, stability, access to medicine, and clean drinking water (as well as housing, plentiful food, and your specific transportation needs met), by your logic you should be denied internet access purely due to the country you live in?</p><p>Or do you just mean the entire country you live in is required to have all of those things before anyone can have broadband?</p><p>Just curious is all</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.So once you have security , stability , access to medicine , and clean drinking water ( as well as housing , plentiful food , and your specific transportation needs met ) , by your logic you should be denied internet access purely due to the country you live in ? Or do you just mean the entire country you live in is required to have all of those things before anyone can have broadband ? Just curious is all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.So once you have security, stability, access to medicine, and clean drinking water (as well as housing, plentiful food, and your specific transportation needs met), by your logic you should be denied internet access purely due to the country you live in?Or do you just mean the entire country you live in is required to have all of those things before anyone can have broadband?Just curious is all
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849365</id>
	<title>Education?</title>
	<author>cf18</author>
	<datestamp>1256326680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about education as a productive use of broadband?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about education as a productive use of broadband ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about education as a productive use of broadband?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849239</id>
	<title>you need broadband for... online banking ?</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1256326200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think there is some confusion between "broadband" and "internet access".</p><p>Step one is Internet Access, 56k modem or GSM/EDGE speeds, which allow you to do 99\% of the useful thinks you can do on the web (Youtube and gaming are NOT in that category of useful things, online banking, forums, websites, email, IM are)</p><p>Step two, broadband, I see as more of a luxury / convenience thing.</p><p>To me, the real cut off should be  NOT between broadband vs narrow-band, but between permanent connection + unmetered access vs dial-up + pay for use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there is some confusion between " broadband " and " internet access " .Step one is Internet Access , 56k modem or GSM/EDGE speeds , which allow you to do 99 \ % of the useful thinks you can do on the web ( Youtube and gaming are NOT in that category of useful things , online banking , forums , websites , email , IM are ) Step two , broadband , I see as more of a luxury / convenience thing.To me , the real cut off should be NOT between broadband vs narrow-band , but between permanent connection + unmetered access vs dial-up + pay for use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there is some confusion between "broadband" and "internet access".Step one is Internet Access, 56k modem or GSM/EDGE speeds, which allow you to do 99\% of the useful thinks you can do on the web (Youtube and gaming are NOT in that category of useful things, online banking, forums, websites, email, IM are)Step two, broadband, I see as more of a luxury / convenience thing.To me, the real cut off should be  NOT between broadband vs narrow-band, but between permanent connection + unmetered access vs dial-up + pay for use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850517</id>
	<title>Content Bloat Management</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1256331180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just get rid of <b>unnecessary graphics</b> on their webpages and they don't really need "full" broadband. Most of the stuff moving over the web is useless eye-candy or gimmicky JavaScript junk. To do basic stuff requires very little bandwidth (by today's standards) if they simply design web-pages right.</p><p>True, international commerce-related info may still be bloated. I've been pondering the idea of a graphics-off-friendly browser addon. Most pages can be browsed with the graphics off if one could choose which graphics to keep activated, such as "image" buttons. Once you mark a page appropriately, then it either only loads those graphics you previously selected as necessary (usually for navigation), or gets them from cache.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just get rid of unnecessary graphics on their webpages and they do n't really need " full " broadband .
Most of the stuff moving over the web is useless eye-candy or gimmicky JavaScript junk .
To do basic stuff requires very little bandwidth ( by today 's standards ) if they simply design web-pages right.True , international commerce-related info may still be bloated .
I 've been pondering the idea of a graphics-off-friendly browser addon .
Most pages can be browsed with the graphics off if one could choose which graphics to keep activated , such as " image " buttons .
Once you mark a page appropriately , then it either only loads those graphics you previously selected as necessary ( usually for navigation ) , or gets them from cache .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just get rid of unnecessary graphics on their webpages and they don't really need "full" broadband.
Most of the stuff moving over the web is useless eye-candy or gimmicky JavaScript junk.
To do basic stuff requires very little bandwidth (by today's standards) if they simply design web-pages right.True, international commerce-related info may still be bloated.
I've been pondering the idea of a graphics-off-friendly browser addon.
Most pages can be browsed with the graphics off if one could choose which graphics to keep activated, such as "image" buttons.
Once you mark a page appropriately, then it either only loads those graphics you previously selected as necessary (usually for navigation), or gets them from cache.
     </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849833</id>
	<title>Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne</title>
	<author>ap7</author>
	<datestamp>1256328540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being dismissive is easy. But online banking improves productivity, especially in rural areas where banks cannot afford to set up branches to serve a few customers. Online banking also eliminates the need to go to the bank. Simply visit the cybercafe and conduct transactions. It is not the luxury that people make it out to be, once they realize how useful it can be.</p><p>It is the same with cellphones - they were a luxury earlier. But now, they are necessities in rural areas too. Run a search for Reuters Market Light to see how they have made the cellphone a way of helping farmers earn more money and improve crop production.</p><p>Better availability of broadband can open up a new world for rural communities, give them better access to information. There is nothing wrong with striving for better broadband. Other basic needs and the internet are not mutually exclusive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being dismissive is easy .
But online banking improves productivity , especially in rural areas where banks can not afford to set up branches to serve a few customers .
Online banking also eliminates the need to go to the bank .
Simply visit the cybercafe and conduct transactions .
It is not the luxury that people make it out to be , once they realize how useful it can be.It is the same with cellphones - they were a luxury earlier .
But now , they are necessities in rural areas too .
Run a search for Reuters Market Light to see how they have made the cellphone a way of helping farmers earn more money and improve crop production.Better availability of broadband can open up a new world for rural communities , give them better access to information .
There is nothing wrong with striving for better broadband .
Other basic needs and the internet are not mutually exclusive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being dismissive is easy.
But online banking improves productivity, especially in rural areas where banks cannot afford to set up branches to serve a few customers.
Online banking also eliminates the need to go to the bank.
Simply visit the cybercafe and conduct transactions.
It is not the luxury that people make it out to be, once they realize how useful it can be.It is the same with cellphones - they were a luxury earlier.
But now, they are necessities in rural areas too.
Run a search for Reuters Market Light to see how they have made the cellphone a way of helping farmers earn more money and improve crop production.Better availability of broadband can open up a new world for rural communities, give them better access to information.
There is nothing wrong with striving for better broadband.
Other basic needs and the internet are not mutually exclusive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848919</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>TBoon</author>
	<datestamp>1256324940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So why does a friend of mine, living in one of the largest cities in Tanzania have to pay several hundred USD a month for a 1-2 mbit DSL connection, with a 20gb cap. Going past that limit costs 10 USD per gigabyte. Not exactly an "isolated area".</htmltext>
<tokenext>So why does a friend of mine , living in one of the largest cities in Tanzania have to pay several hundred USD a month for a 1-2 mbit DSL connection , with a 20gb cap .
Going past that limit costs 10 USD per gigabyte .
Not exactly an " isolated area " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why does a friend of mine, living in one of the largest cities in Tanzania have to pay several hundred USD a month for a 1-2 mbit DSL connection, with a 20gb cap.
Going past that limit costs 10 USD per gigabyte.
Not exactly an "isolated area".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850791</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>TorKlingberg</author>
	<datestamp>1256289000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do we get this every time there is something about developing countries? Not everyone in every developing country is starving. Communications are very important to development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do we get this every time there is something about developing countries ?
Not everyone in every developing country is starving .
Communications are very important to development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do we get this every time there is something about developing countries?
Not everyone in every developing country is starving.
Communications are very important to development.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853145</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>promythyus</author>
	<datestamp>1256303760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>screw you, I have a whole 1.5mbit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>screw you , I have a whole 1.5mbit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>screw you, I have a whole 1.5mbit...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29895663</id>
	<title>Why do you need broadband?</title>
	<author>pacinpm</author>
	<datestamp>1256737620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To effectively communicate or do online banking all you need is 33k modem. You don't need broadband. Let them start from lower lever first if they can't afford watching YouTube in HD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To effectively communicate or do online banking all you need is 33k modem .
You do n't need broadband .
Let them start from lower lever first if they ca n't afford watching YouTube in HD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To effectively communicate or do online banking all you need is 33k modem.
You don't need broadband.
Let them start from lower lever first if they can't afford watching YouTube in HD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851663</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>hcdejong</author>
	<datestamp>1256292300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are several comments along these lines, but TFA has a point. Broadband access means access to business opportunities and information, both essential to get a developing nation out of the hole they're in. Forget universal access, if even a fraction of the population can get broadband at decent prices it'll have a huge knock-on effect.</p><p>Also, the parent suggests everyone in developing nations lives without security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water, which is simply not true. The hellholes are the places we keep hearing about, but mostly, developing nations are just that: <i>developing</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are several comments along these lines , but TFA has a point .
Broadband access means access to business opportunities and information , both essential to get a developing nation out of the hole they 're in .
Forget universal access , if even a fraction of the population can get broadband at decent prices it 'll have a huge knock-on effect.Also , the parent suggests everyone in developing nations lives without security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water , which is simply not true .
The hellholes are the places we keep hearing about , but mostly , developing nations are just that : developing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are several comments along these lines, but TFA has a point.
Broadband access means access to business opportunities and information, both essential to get a developing nation out of the hole they're in.
Forget universal access, if even a fraction of the population can get broadband at decent prices it'll have a huge knock-on effect.Also, the parent suggests everyone in developing nations lives without security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water, which is simply not true.
The hellholes are the places we keep hearing about, but mostly, developing nations are just that: developing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850249</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1256330220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stories about developing nations always invite these silly comments.  The fact is, economic development is always very closely tied to the ability to communicate.  Always has been.  And developing nations are not going to go through every obsolete technology (pony express, telegraph, manually switched copper network...) that we did; there is no economic basis for doing so.  You could argue they should get a cellphone network before Internet, but these days they are one in the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stories about developing nations always invite these silly comments .
The fact is , economic development is always very closely tied to the ability to communicate .
Always has been .
And developing nations are not going to go through every obsolete technology ( pony express , telegraph , manually switched copper network... ) that we did ; there is no economic basis for doing so .
You could argue they should get a cellphone network before Internet , but these days they are one in the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stories about developing nations always invite these silly comments.
The fact is, economic development is always very closely tied to the ability to communicate.
Always has been.
And developing nations are not going to go through every obsolete technology (pony express, telegraph, manually switched copper network...) that we did; there is no economic basis for doing so.
You could argue they should get a cellphone network before Internet, but these days they are one in the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851167</id>
	<title>American savages</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256290320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While America circles the bowl, blowing trillions on saving failed banks and failed wars, the African continent has nowhere to go but up. A 2\% per year increase in GDP is looking mighty fine compared to Western nations backsliding into tent cities and soup kitchens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While America circles the bowl , blowing trillions on saving failed banks and failed wars , the African continent has nowhere to go but up .
A 2 \ % per year increase in GDP is looking mighty fine compared to Western nations backsliding into tent cities and soup kitchens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While America circles the bowl, blowing trillions on saving failed banks and failed wars, the African continent has nowhere to go but up.
A 2\% per year increase in GDP is looking mighty fine compared to Western nations backsliding into tent cities and soup kitchens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848543</id>
	<title>Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Broadband access, of course.  I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848679</id>
	<title>This is undertandable...</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1256324220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...You know why? Because for most developing nations, entire major cities are unplanned (read unmapped).</p><p>All they do when one is looking for directions is to say something to the effect..."Just near that big tower...behind the <i>"Kofeko"</i> market.</p><p>And I know because I am originally from one of those developing nations. The concept of an address does not exist. In fact, I had to think hard and ask my family what I should put on the visa application forms as an address before coming to these United States.</p><p>Nuff said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...You know why ?
Because for most developing nations , entire major cities are unplanned ( read unmapped ) .All they do when one is looking for directions is to say something to the effect... " Just near that big tower...behind the " Kofeko " market.And I know because I am originally from one of those developing nations .
The concept of an address does not exist .
In fact , I had to think hard and ask my family what I should put on the visa application forms as an address before coming to these United States.Nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...You know why?
Because for most developing nations, entire major cities are unplanned (read unmapped).All they do when one is looking for directions is to say something to the effect..."Just near that big tower...behind the "Kofeko" market.And I know because I am originally from one of those developing nations.
The concept of an address does not exist.
In fact, I had to think hard and ask my family what I should put on the visa application forms as an address before coming to these United States.Nuff said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849805</id>
	<title>clear glass?</title>
	<author>JLavezzo</author>
	<datestamp>1256328360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If UV light is good for drinking water, then why does the CDC recommend against making sun tea?  Mmmmm, Alcaligenes viscolactis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If UV light is good for drinking water , then why does the CDC recommend against making sun tea ?
Mmmmm , Alcaligenes viscolactis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If UV light is good for drinking water, then why does the CDC recommend against making sun tea?
Mmmmm, Alcaligenes viscolactis.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849387</id>
	<title>Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1256326800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>is online banking.</p></div><p>This is an issue that affects everyone. My bank is running a promotion. I get free checking if I pay my Nigerian associates using their online "automatic bill pay" option. But, alas, the royal family is using dial-up, and I have to send my checks by USPS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is online banking.This is an issue that affects everyone .
My bank is running a promotion .
I get free checking if I pay my Nigerian associates using their online " automatic bill pay " option .
But , alas , the royal family is using dial-up , and I have to send my checks by USPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is online banking.This is an issue that affects everyone.
My bank is running a promotion.
I get free checking if I pay my Nigerian associates using their online "automatic bill pay" option.
But, alas, the royal family is using dial-up, and I have to send my checks by USPS.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848579</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849191</id>
	<title>Don't have banking? News to me.</title>
	<author>quietwalker</author>
	<datestamp>1256326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I write software for banks for a living.  Web, mobile, voice, atm, teller, whatever.  As far as my industry has indicated, these developing nations rely on cell phones for the majority of their banking, and anyone with enough money to care about banking will likely use a cell phone for that purpose - at least for common daily usage.  There are people out there who have to rely on a hand-crank generator or pay a vendor to charge their phone - they have no access to electricity, but you'll note, they STILL have a cell phone.</p><p>Even in developing nations, cell phones are incredibly pervasive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I write software for banks for a living .
Web , mobile , voice , atm , teller , whatever .
As far as my industry has indicated , these developing nations rely on cell phones for the majority of their banking , and anyone with enough money to care about banking will likely use a cell phone for that purpose - at least for common daily usage .
There are people out there who have to rely on a hand-crank generator or pay a vendor to charge their phone - they have no access to electricity , but you 'll note , they STILL have a cell phone.Even in developing nations , cell phones are incredibly pervasive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I write software for banks for a living.
Web, mobile, voice, atm, teller, whatever.
As far as my industry has indicated, these developing nations rely on cell phones for the majority of their banking, and anyone with enough money to care about banking will likely use a cell phone for that purpose - at least for common daily usage.
There are people out there who have to rely on a hand-crank generator or pay a vendor to charge their phone - they have no access to electricity, but you'll note, they STILL have a cell phone.Even in developing nations, cell phones are incredibly pervasive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849677</id>
	<title>What's wrong with dialup or GSM/CDMA?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256327880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone else started with dialup, why can't they?</p><p>Further, cell phones are so prevalent in some developing countries even the bums have them. Why not use the wireless infrastructure?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone else started with dialup , why ca n't they ? Further , cell phones are so prevalent in some developing countries even the bums have them .
Why not use the wireless infrastructure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone else started with dialup, why can't they?Further, cell phones are so prevalent in some developing countries even the bums have them.
Why not use the wireless infrastructure?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848877</id>
	<title>Priority?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1256324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I lived in what we euphemistically called a 'developing nation' would I not be more concerned with things like food for my family and adequate housing in my community and less concerned with things like connecting to my bank via the web or updating my Facebook status? I can think of no absolute basic (i.e. food, water, shelter) that is, as yet, a broadband-only option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I lived in what we euphemistically called a 'developing nation ' would I not be more concerned with things like food for my family and adequate housing in my community and less concerned with things like connecting to my bank via the web or updating my Facebook status ?
I can think of no absolute basic ( i.e .
food , water , shelter ) that is , as yet , a broadband-only option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I lived in what we euphemistically called a 'developing nation' would I not be more concerned with things like food for my family and adequate housing in my community and less concerned with things like connecting to my bank via the web or updating my Facebook status?
I can think of no absolute basic (i.e.
food, water, shelter) that is, as yet, a broadband-only option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850275</id>
	<title>Re:you need broadband for... online banking ?</title>
	<author>mariushm</author>
	<datestamp>1256330280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It probably costs more to pull the copper wire for telephone lines compared to fiber optics. Copper WILL be stolen and sold to get money for food, fiber is kind of pointless to steal as no recycle center will pay for it.</p><p>You could literally pull fiber to a town neighborhood and from there you could just use regular utp cable and second / third hand utp switches or hubs. It will be probably cheaper compared to modems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It probably costs more to pull the copper wire for telephone lines compared to fiber optics .
Copper WILL be stolen and sold to get money for food , fiber is kind of pointless to steal as no recycle center will pay for it.You could literally pull fiber to a town neighborhood and from there you could just use regular utp cable and second / third hand utp switches or hubs .
It will be probably cheaper compared to modems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It probably costs more to pull the copper wire for telephone lines compared to fiber optics.
Copper WILL be stolen and sold to get money for food, fiber is kind of pointless to steal as no recycle center will pay for it.You could literally pull fiber to a town neighborhood and from there you could just use regular utp cable and second / third hand utp switches or hubs.
It will be probably cheaper compared to modems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849239</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29855903</id>
	<title>Rubbish</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1256392500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This whole topic seems to be slanted towards capitalism being the only true way to enlightenment. I disagree. What people here are arguing for is the right to become a wage slave for some huge corporation, probably located overseas. Why ?<br> <br>You can't have any of the modern "conveniences" without paying somebody else for the privilege. Online banking ? That assumes that a central banking organisation is a good thing. I disagree, they are all corrupt in one way or another, and lead to the publics wealth being funnelled into private hands. Good transport links ? So you have to pay taxes to support a government who pay private companies to produce roads so that you can buy cars from private companies and buy oil and gas from private companies to power those cars which you never needed in the past. Why would a rural farmer need to transport produce further afield ? To make more profit ? Why ? Because it's being forced upon him. If he's happy growing enough food for the local people and gets a good return on that, it is pure greed to try and make more. Rich != happy.<br> <br>But of course this is a US site so I'll be called a troll, modded flamebait and otherwise argued into the ground by people who believe that the debating system you practised at school is actually a legitimate way of discussing things. It's not. You have to step away from the ideology and work from the ground up. I hate having to work. I am prepared to do it to get what I need, but to be forced to take part just to enable a third party to get even richer is not part of the deal. Broadband for developing nations ? Listen to yourselves. Maybe you think that because you have to do it, so should everybody else. Hardly freedom is it ?<br> <br>You might argue that we need services like police to keep some kind of order, and that has to be paid for. Yes, we do need policing, but surely the cost of providing the police should be met by those who commit crime ? Unless you follow that method, you end up with the situation we are seeing now, where police are becoming more about prevention than cure, and because they're so entrenched, they become the executors of government will instead of our servants. If all criminals had to pay for their deeds instead of being fed, educated and watered at public expense, maybe there would be less criminals. Ideally the police force would gradually dwindle and become a part of history. Instead, they are growing, and not because of a rise in crime, just because of a rise in criminal statutes. And what causes that rise ? We do, by demanding the government DO SOMETHING about every little nitpick that affects our perceived profit making ability. <br> <br>Money isn't evil, the love of money is, and capitalism is the love of money for its own sake. You have to accumulate more of it or you aren't a good little capitalist. That is wrong. And to commercially impose the same set of twisted rules on developing countries is wrong. The US is supposed to stand for freedom, but instead it's imposing their definition of freedom on other countries. And contrary to popular belief, the US way is not the best so far. It's not even the best at the moment. People like Mugabe are the ultimate capitalists. They want it all for themselves and fuck everybody else. Is that a good economic model ? Most billionaires will claim that they don't do it for the money, it's all about "keeping score" they say. Unfortunately, that implies that the higher the score the better you are. So it is definitively about accumulation of as much money as you can get. Are we all doomed to become ferengi whether we like it or not ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole topic seems to be slanted towards capitalism being the only true way to enlightenment .
I disagree .
What people here are arguing for is the right to become a wage slave for some huge corporation , probably located overseas .
Why ?
You ca n't have any of the modern " conveniences " without paying somebody else for the privilege .
Online banking ?
That assumes that a central banking organisation is a good thing .
I disagree , they are all corrupt in one way or another , and lead to the publics wealth being funnelled into private hands .
Good transport links ?
So you have to pay taxes to support a government who pay private companies to produce roads so that you can buy cars from private companies and buy oil and gas from private companies to power those cars which you never needed in the past .
Why would a rural farmer need to transport produce further afield ?
To make more profit ?
Why ?
Because it 's being forced upon him .
If he 's happy growing enough food for the local people and gets a good return on that , it is pure greed to try and make more .
Rich ! = happy .
But of course this is a US site so I 'll be called a troll , modded flamebait and otherwise argued into the ground by people who believe that the debating system you practised at school is actually a legitimate way of discussing things .
It 's not .
You have to step away from the ideology and work from the ground up .
I hate having to work .
I am prepared to do it to get what I need , but to be forced to take part just to enable a third party to get even richer is not part of the deal .
Broadband for developing nations ?
Listen to yourselves .
Maybe you think that because you have to do it , so should everybody else .
Hardly freedom is it ?
You might argue that we need services like police to keep some kind of order , and that has to be paid for .
Yes , we do need policing , but surely the cost of providing the police should be met by those who commit crime ?
Unless you follow that method , you end up with the situation we are seeing now , where police are becoming more about prevention than cure , and because they 're so entrenched , they become the executors of government will instead of our servants .
If all criminals had to pay for their deeds instead of being fed , educated and watered at public expense , maybe there would be less criminals .
Ideally the police force would gradually dwindle and become a part of history .
Instead , they are growing , and not because of a rise in crime , just because of a rise in criminal statutes .
And what causes that rise ?
We do , by demanding the government DO SOMETHING about every little nitpick that affects our perceived profit making ability .
Money is n't evil , the love of money is , and capitalism is the love of money for its own sake .
You have to accumulate more of it or you are n't a good little capitalist .
That is wrong .
And to commercially impose the same set of twisted rules on developing countries is wrong .
The US is supposed to stand for freedom , but instead it 's imposing their definition of freedom on other countries .
And contrary to popular belief , the US way is not the best so far .
It 's not even the best at the moment .
People like Mugabe are the ultimate capitalists .
They want it all for themselves and fuck everybody else .
Is that a good economic model ?
Most billionaires will claim that they do n't do it for the money , it 's all about " keeping score " they say .
Unfortunately , that implies that the higher the score the better you are .
So it is definitively about accumulation of as much money as you can get .
Are we all doomed to become ferengi whether we like it or not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole topic seems to be slanted towards capitalism being the only true way to enlightenment.
I disagree.
What people here are arguing for is the right to become a wage slave for some huge corporation, probably located overseas.
Why ?
You can't have any of the modern "conveniences" without paying somebody else for the privilege.
Online banking ?
That assumes that a central banking organisation is a good thing.
I disagree, they are all corrupt in one way or another, and lead to the publics wealth being funnelled into private hands.
Good transport links ?
So you have to pay taxes to support a government who pay private companies to produce roads so that you can buy cars from private companies and buy oil and gas from private companies to power those cars which you never needed in the past.
Why would a rural farmer need to transport produce further afield ?
To make more profit ?
Why ?
Because it's being forced upon him.
If he's happy growing enough food for the local people and gets a good return on that, it is pure greed to try and make more.
Rich != happy.
But of course this is a US site so I'll be called a troll, modded flamebait and otherwise argued into the ground by people who believe that the debating system you practised at school is actually a legitimate way of discussing things.
It's not.
You have to step away from the ideology and work from the ground up.
I hate having to work.
I am prepared to do it to get what I need, but to be forced to take part just to enable a third party to get even richer is not part of the deal.
Broadband for developing nations ?
Listen to yourselves.
Maybe you think that because you have to do it, so should everybody else.
Hardly freedom is it ?
You might argue that we need services like police to keep some kind of order, and that has to be paid for.
Yes, we do need policing, but surely the cost of providing the police should be met by those who commit crime ?
Unless you follow that method, you end up with the situation we are seeing now, where police are becoming more about prevention than cure, and because they're so entrenched, they become the executors of government will instead of our servants.
If all criminals had to pay for their deeds instead of being fed, educated and watered at public expense, maybe there would be less criminals.
Ideally the police force would gradually dwindle and become a part of history.
Instead, they are growing, and not because of a rise in crime, just because of a rise in criminal statutes.
And what causes that rise ?
We do, by demanding the government DO SOMETHING about every little nitpick that affects our perceived profit making ability.
Money isn't evil, the love of money is, and capitalism is the love of money for its own sake.
You have to accumulate more of it or you aren't a good little capitalist.
That is wrong.
And to commercially impose the same set of twisted rules on developing countries is wrong.
The US is supposed to stand for freedom, but instead it's imposing their definition of freedom on other countries.
And contrary to popular belief, the US way is not the best so far.
It's not even the best at the moment.
People like Mugabe are the ultimate capitalists.
They want it all for themselves and fuck everybody else.
Is that a good economic model ?
Most billionaires will claim that they don't do it for the money, it's all about "keeping score" they say.
Unfortunately, that implies that the higher the score the better you are.
So it is definitively about accumulation of as much money as you can get.
Are we all doomed to become ferengi whether we like it or not ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849237</id>
	<title>Use Cache Servers</title>
	<author>hasanen</author>
	<datestamp>1256326200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in Baghdad and bandwidth here is very very expensive as it comes from VSAT terminals , 1024/512 link costs more than $3000USD/month.
As a temporary solution , I started integrating Squid Cache Servers for ISPs , and I am thinking about building a city wide cache network using ICP (Internet Cache Protocol), normally the request hit ratio is more than $40 , with some servers it is 60\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Baghdad and bandwidth here is very very expensive as it comes from VSAT terminals , 1024/512 link costs more than $ 3000USD/month .
As a temporary solution , I started integrating Squid Cache Servers for ISPs , and I am thinking about building a city wide cache network using ICP ( Internet Cache Protocol ) , normally the request hit ratio is more than $ 40 , with some servers it is 60 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Baghdad and bandwidth here is very very expensive as it comes from VSAT terminals , 1024/512 link costs more than $3000USD/month.
As a temporary solution , I started integrating Squid Cache Servers for ISPs , and I am thinking about building a city wide cache network using ICP (Internet Cache Protocol), normally the request hit ratio is more than $40 , with some servers it is 60\%.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849443</id>
	<title>You Fail it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256326980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hand...don't but I'd rather hear the 8umbers. The the reaper BSD's name on the jar of Are looking very BSD sux0rs. What so that you don't that should be</htmltext>
<tokenext>hand...do n't but I 'd rather hear the 8umbers .
The the reaper BSD 's name on the jar of Are looking very BSD sux0rs .
What so that you do n't that should be</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hand...don't but I'd rather hear the 8umbers.
The the reaper BSD's name on the jar of Are looking very BSD sux0rs.
What so that you don't that should be</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849657</id>
	<title>Came to say this</title>
	<author>SilverJets</author>
	<datestamp>1256327820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Came to say this exact thing.   Some countries look like they are trying to jump too far ahead while they don't even have the basics covered.  If you can't reliably deliver food to your people or provide basic health and medical services the last frickin' thing you and they need is internet access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Came to say this exact thing .
Some countries look like they are trying to jump too far ahead while they do n't even have the basics covered .
If you ca n't reliably deliver food to your people or provide basic health and medical services the last frickin ' thing you and they need is internet access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came to say this exact thing.
Some countries look like they are trying to jump too far ahead while they don't even have the basics covered.
If you can't reliably deliver food to your people or provide basic health and medical services the last frickin' thing you and they need is internet access.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848579</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848843</id>
	<title>Wasn't so long ago access cost by the hour in U.S.</title>
	<author>WillAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1256324760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I first started using AOL 18 years and 1 month ago, it was $8 / hour in business hours, plus long distance charges --- $4 during non-business hours after the first free 5 or 10 hours each month (and one paid the long distance charges regardless).</p><p>Granted, most people were in a metropolitan area w/ a local connect #, but still, bills could easily get into the hundreds of dollars per month.</p><p>Once the infrastructure is built and paid for, costs can come down, but one needs the early adopters to pay to run the copper and set up the connections &amp;c.</p><p>William</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I first started using AOL 18 years and 1 month ago , it was $ 8 / hour in business hours , plus long distance charges --- $ 4 during non-business hours after the first free 5 or 10 hours each month ( and one paid the long distance charges regardless ) .Granted , most people were in a metropolitan area w/ a local connect # , but still , bills could easily get into the hundreds of dollars per month.Once the infrastructure is built and paid for , costs can come down , but one needs the early adopters to pay to run the copper and set up the connections &amp;c.William</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I first started using AOL 18 years and 1 month ago, it was $8 / hour in business hours, plus long distance charges --- $4 during non-business hours after the first free 5 or 10 hours each month (and one paid the long distance charges regardless).Granted, most people were in a metropolitan area w/ a local connect #, but still, bills could easily get into the hundreds of dollars per month.Once the infrastructure is built and paid for, costs can come down, but one needs the early adopters to pay to run the copper and set up the connections &amp;c.William</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851095</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>WML MUNSON</author>
	<datestamp>1256290140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broadband access, of course.  I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>Those problems, which you sarcastically imply are more important than Broadband access here in the developing world, are all almost exclusively the result of inadequate education and mass communication.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.Those problems , which you sarcastically imply are more important than Broadband access here in the developing world , are all almost exclusively the result of inadequate education and mass communication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.Those problems, which you sarcastically imply are more important than Broadband access here in the developing world, are all almost exclusively the result of inadequate education and mass communication.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848543</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849597</id>
	<title>Define "Productive"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256327580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <i> porn </i></p><p>There, fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying ... porn There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying ...  porn There, fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849083</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256325660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They seem to be doing okay in Nigeria......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They seem to be doing okay in Nigeria..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They seem to be doing okay in Nigeria......</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850757</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1256288820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer. It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.</i></p><p>Or perhaps get rid of the lame government (which may mean getting rid of the lame culture that supports the lame government).</p><p>As Amartya Sen pointed out  "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution to hunger , as I am aware of , has never been to give them a computer .
It 's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.Or perhaps get rid of the lame government ( which may mean getting rid of the lame culture that supports the lame government ) .As Amartya Sen pointed out " No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer.
It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.Or perhaps get rid of the lame government (which may mean getting rid of the lame culture that supports the lame government).As Amartya Sen pointed out  "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851333</id>
	<title>Australia a developing country?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1256291040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who ever knew that Australia was a developing country! Broadband costs here are killer. Oh and we're slipping backwards when it comes to trasnport, health care, employment and education.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who ever knew that Australia was a developing country !
Broadband costs here are killer .
Oh and we 're slipping backwards when it comes to trasnport , health care , employment and education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who ever knew that Australia was a developing country!
Broadband costs here are killer.
Oh and we're slipping backwards when it comes to trasnport, health care, employment and education.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849563</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1256327460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read a story a while ago about how copper is worth enough that telephone companies had their cables stolen all the time. The cost of constantly replacing your infrastructure could also affect costs..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read a story a while ago about how copper is worth enough that telephone companies had their cables stolen all the time .
The cost of constantly replacing your infrastructure could also affect costs. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read a story a while ago about how copper is worth enough that telephone companies had their cables stolen all the time.
The cost of constantly replacing your infrastructure could also affect costs..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849045</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>parallel\_prankster</author>
	<datestamp>1256325480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is also something more to than just weak infrastructure and that is weak implementation. This may be due to inexperience, corruption, ignorance, etc.
I would imagine in developing nations/developed nations, once a project is started, they use the best tech, knowledge from previous projects etc to the fullest degree coupled with the fact that such nations are also less likely to be corrupt, the project itself proceeds faster and ends faster resulting in lower costs that can be pushed to the customer. On the other side, in India for example when they started to build the indigenous aircraft, they missed their deadline by 5 years, its still not done ( supposed to be done by 2004 I think) and  overshot their budget by a few billion dollars. Its just an example of how projects are handled differently in different nations.  Such inefficient execution can also increase the price of the end product.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is also something more to than just weak infrastructure and that is weak implementation .
This may be due to inexperience , corruption , ignorance , etc .
I would imagine in developing nations/developed nations , once a project is started , they use the best tech , knowledge from previous projects etc to the fullest degree coupled with the fact that such nations are also less likely to be corrupt , the project itself proceeds faster and ends faster resulting in lower costs that can be pushed to the customer .
On the other side , in India for example when they started to build the indigenous aircraft , they missed their deadline by 5 years , its still not done ( supposed to be done by 2004 I think ) and overshot their budget by a few billion dollars .
Its just an example of how projects are handled differently in different nations .
Such inefficient execution can also increase the price of the end product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is also something more to than just weak infrastructure and that is weak implementation.
This may be due to inexperience, corruption, ignorance, etc.
I would imagine in developing nations/developed nations, once a project is started, they use the best tech, knowledge from previous projects etc to the fullest degree coupled with the fact that such nations are also less likely to be corrupt, the project itself proceeds faster and ends faster resulting in lower costs that can be pushed to the customer.
On the other side, in India for example when they started to build the indigenous aircraft, they missed their deadline by 5 years, its still not done ( supposed to be done by 2004 I think) and  overshot their budget by a few billion dollars.
Its just an example of how projects are handled differently in different nations.
Such inefficient execution can also increase the price of the end product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849371</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>toppavak</author>
	<datestamp>1256326680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It depends on what aspect of development you refer to. This report obviously refers to the kind of development the middle classes of countries such as India, China and Brazil are looking at. They've come out of poverty, have food, safe water, housing and security. They are literate (both technically and otherwise), mostly college educated and now need opportunities to engage the international marketplace in a more meaningful manner as well as the infrastructure to support access to a more democratized version of entrepreneurship that we see in the developed world.<br> <br>Yes, these countries still have tremendous poverty and inequality, thank you for pointing that out for the umpteenth billion time. But the reality is that in addition to the poverty is a middle class that is literally several times the size of the entire United States that is discovering that their aspirations and capabilities are starting to strain the infrastructure available to them to do something more productive and more fundamentally satisfying. Empowering and inspiring this group of people will do far more for poverty and corruption in the developing world than the direct aid or paternalistic development the western world typically engages in. This is the key demographic that will create jobs and drive growth in their own countries. Couple this with a strong and free press (from personal experience I at least know India has this), increasing social awareness and an increase in financial means and you have a very powerful recipe to subsequently help bring additional hundreds of millions out of poverty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on what aspect of development you refer to .
This report obviously refers to the kind of development the middle classes of countries such as India , China and Brazil are looking at .
They 've come out of poverty , have food , safe water , housing and security .
They are literate ( both technically and otherwise ) , mostly college educated and now need opportunities to engage the international marketplace in a more meaningful manner as well as the infrastructure to support access to a more democratized version of entrepreneurship that we see in the developed world .
Yes , these countries still have tremendous poverty and inequality , thank you for pointing that out for the umpteenth billion time .
But the reality is that in addition to the poverty is a middle class that is literally several times the size of the entire United States that is discovering that their aspirations and capabilities are starting to strain the infrastructure available to them to do something more productive and more fundamentally satisfying .
Empowering and inspiring this group of people will do far more for poverty and corruption in the developing world than the direct aid or paternalistic development the western world typically engages in .
This is the key demographic that will create jobs and drive growth in their own countries .
Couple this with a strong and free press ( from personal experience I at least know India has this ) , increasing social awareness and an increase in financial means and you have a very powerful recipe to subsequently help bring additional hundreds of millions out of poverty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on what aspect of development you refer to.
This report obviously refers to the kind of development the middle classes of countries such as India, China and Brazil are looking at.
They've come out of poverty, have food, safe water, housing and security.
They are literate (both technically and otherwise), mostly college educated and now need opportunities to engage the international marketplace in a more meaningful manner as well as the infrastructure to support access to a more democratized version of entrepreneurship that we see in the developed world.
Yes, these countries still have tremendous poverty and inequality, thank you for pointing that out for the umpteenth billion time.
But the reality is that in addition to the poverty is a middle class that is literally several times the size of the entire United States that is discovering that their aspirations and capabilities are starting to strain the infrastructure available to them to do something more productive and more fundamentally satisfying.
Empowering and inspiring this group of people will do far more for poverty and corruption in the developing world than the direct aid or paternalistic development the western world typically engages in.
This is the key demographic that will create jobs and drive growth in their own countries.
Couple this with a strong and free press (from personal experience I at least know India has this), increasing social awareness and an increase in financial means and you have a very powerful recipe to subsequently help bring additional hundreds of millions out of poverty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848579</id>
	<title>'cause what the developing world desperately needs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256323980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>is online banking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>is online banking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is online banking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849213</id>
	<title>On Average.....</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1256326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Less than half the population of the planet has ready access to electricity, phones, adequate nutrition, clean water, and health care. That's due to developing nations having far more inadequacies per capita than developed.</p><p>You're not wrong as in incorrect, you're wrong as in assuming your priorities matter to the people in those countries, because they can't eat bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Less than half the population of the planet has ready access to electricity , phones , adequate nutrition , clean water , and health care .
That 's due to developing nations having far more inadequacies per capita than developed.You 're not wrong as in incorrect , you 're wrong as in assuming your priorities matter to the people in those countries , because they ca n't eat bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less than half the population of the planet has ready access to electricity, phones, adequate nutrition, clean water, and health care.
That's due to developing nations having far more inadequacies per capita than developed.You're not wrong as in incorrect, you're wrong as in assuming your priorities matter to the people in those countries, because they can't eat bandwidth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849385</id>
	<title>enjoying productive use of the internet</title>
	<author>allcoolnameswheretak</author>
	<datestamp>1256326740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"&mdash; like online banking and market tools."</p><p>and porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>"    like online banking and market tools .
" and porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"— like online banking and market tools.
"and porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850493</id>
	<title>What is "ridiculously high"? "Affordable"?</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1256331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly does "ridiculously high" mean? Is there a definition, or is it more of <a href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jphillips/2009/10/19/what-is-pornographic-what-is-hip/" title="breitbart.com">"I know it, when I see it"</a> [breitbart.com] kind of thing?

</p><p>And what is there to do, if, indeed, the costs (rather than the deplorable thirst for profit) make something too expensive to buy?

</p><p>Does United States get to publish a "study" describing establishing a base on the Moon as "ridiculously expensive"? Can we then shame the rest of humanity into paying for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly does " ridiculously high " mean ?
Is there a definition , or is it more of " I know it , when I see it " [ breitbart.com ] kind of thing ?
And what is there to do , if , indeed , the costs ( rather than the deplorable thirst for profit ) make something too expensive to buy ?
Does United States get to publish a " study " describing establishing a base on the Moon as " ridiculously expensive " ?
Can we then shame the rest of humanity into paying for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly does "ridiculously high" mean?
Is there a definition, or is it more of "I know it, when I see it" [breitbart.com] kind of thing?
And what is there to do, if, indeed, the costs (rather than the deplorable thirst for profit) make something too expensive to buy?
Does United States get to publish a "study" describing establishing a base on the Moon as "ridiculously expensive"?
Can we then shame the rest of humanity into paying for it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848839</id>
	<title>Re: online banking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How else is my friend the King Abu Molabi Tiberius of Nigeria meant to provide me with my share of his inheritance? Perhaps the state of internet access over there is why I still haven't heard back from him?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How else is my friend the King Abu Molabi Tiberius of Nigeria meant to provide me with my share of his inheritance ?
Perhaps the state of internet access over there is why I still have n't heard back from him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How else is my friend the King Abu Molabi Tiberius of Nigeria meant to provide me with my share of his inheritance?
Perhaps the state of internet access over there is why I still haven't heard back from him?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850953</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1256289600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!"</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah, same thing happened to me when I first discovered Craigslist.</p><p>That was a crazy weekend...  I love the internet!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hey , Unbooboo....I 'm starving , naked and wet....but , man , I 'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds ! !
" Yeah , same thing happened to me when I first discovered Craigslist.That was a crazy weekend... I love the internet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!
"Yeah, same thing happened to me when I first discovered Craigslist.That was a crazy weekend...  I love the internet!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29856439</id>
	<title>yes, this is a real problem in Africa</title>
	<author>ReqTimeOut</author>
	<datestamp>1256397480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm writing from an East African country where we are paying $500 for WIMAX monthly after being tortured by a big telecoms inability to implement ASDL an Internet services with any degree of customer or technical service.

First of all, I wanted to mention that if you care about this at all, come volunteer in Africa in technology support.  Some of the more idealistic suggestions on this thread such as the wireless mesh network need a critical mass of IT people to create the idea that community IT is possible.  Otherwise, people just will use half-baked service companies and stagnant telecom based ISPs who never clean up their act or run a decent network. Also,  the shortage of technicians is driving up the costs just as much as the shortage of customers.  We recently switched to a WIMAX network and $250 was what we paid (after hefty discount) for a two hour wiring between antennae and router.

Of course, computer services aren't important as food and basic infrastructure.  However, where will those improvements come without development of some kind or another. These days information technology has a supporting role in most other development work.  For example, at my volunteer in a developing African nation, we are too small and short-staffed to host mails servers in our New York and East African offices.  So we use a managed web mail solution. When our Internet connectivity is hosed, staff can't work.


Bandwidth is not the only  obstacle to getting people to participate in knowledge economies.  There are many rip-offs.  In 2008, in my area, you could pay $300 for a highly used Pentium 111. Yet another problem we are facing is a lack of exposure to FOSS ideas.  Therefore most of the user population is using cracked Windows and the scene is malware laden.  Hard to take advantage of any bandwidth when the whole country is probably a bot-net.

In short, yes bandwidth costs are a real problem inhibiting development.  Many people in the continent feel improving the IT situation is a valid and real goal which requires more human resources.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm writing from an East African country where we are paying $ 500 for WIMAX monthly after being tortured by a big telecoms inability to implement ASDL an Internet services with any degree of customer or technical service .
First of all , I wanted to mention that if you care about this at all , come volunteer in Africa in technology support .
Some of the more idealistic suggestions on this thread such as the wireless mesh network need a critical mass of IT people to create the idea that community IT is possible .
Otherwise , people just will use half-baked service companies and stagnant telecom based ISPs who never clean up their act or run a decent network .
Also , the shortage of technicians is driving up the costs just as much as the shortage of customers .
We recently switched to a WIMAX network and $ 250 was what we paid ( after hefty discount ) for a two hour wiring between antennae and router .
Of course , computer services are n't important as food and basic infrastructure .
However , where will those improvements come without development of some kind or another .
These days information technology has a supporting role in most other development work .
For example , at my volunteer in a developing African nation , we are too small and short-staffed to host mails servers in our New York and East African offices .
So we use a managed web mail solution .
When our Internet connectivity is hosed , staff ca n't work .
Bandwidth is not the only obstacle to getting people to participate in knowledge economies .
There are many rip-offs .
In 2008 , in my area , you could pay $ 300 for a highly used Pentium 111 .
Yet another problem we are facing is a lack of exposure to FOSS ideas .
Therefore most of the user population is using cracked Windows and the scene is malware laden .
Hard to take advantage of any bandwidth when the whole country is probably a bot-net .
In short , yes bandwidth costs are a real problem inhibiting development .
Many people in the continent feel improving the IT situation is a valid and real goal which requires more human resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm writing from an East African country where we are paying $500 for WIMAX monthly after being tortured by a big telecoms inability to implement ASDL an Internet services with any degree of customer or technical service.
First of all, I wanted to mention that if you care about this at all, come volunteer in Africa in technology support.
Some of the more idealistic suggestions on this thread such as the wireless mesh network need a critical mass of IT people to create the idea that community IT is possible.
Otherwise, people just will use half-baked service companies and stagnant telecom based ISPs who never clean up their act or run a decent network.
Also,  the shortage of technicians is driving up the costs just as much as the shortage of customers.
We recently switched to a WIMAX network and $250 was what we paid (after hefty discount) for a two hour wiring between antennae and router.
Of course, computer services aren't important as food and basic infrastructure.
However, where will those improvements come without development of some kind or another.
These days information technology has a supporting role in most other development work.
For example, at my volunteer in a developing African nation, we are too small and short-staffed to host mails servers in our New York and East African offices.
So we use a managed web mail solution.
When our Internet connectivity is hosed, staff can't work.
Bandwidth is not the only  obstacle to getting people to participate in knowledge economies.
There are many rip-offs.
In 2008, in my area, you could pay $300 for a highly used Pentium 111.
Yet another problem we are facing is a lack of exposure to FOSS ideas.
Therefore most of the user population is using cracked Windows and the scene is malware laden.
Hard to take advantage of any bandwidth when the whole country is probably a bot-net.
In short, yes bandwidth costs are a real problem inhibiting development.
Many people in the continent feel improving the IT situation is a valid and real goal which requires more human resources.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850055</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>ap7</author>
	<datestamp>1256329440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if you have all of the above? Broadband still remains ridiculously expensive. On this very page, I see an advertisement by an Indian telco service provider offering a massive 512 kbps for almost 30 dollars a month! And remember that those 30 dollars go much farther in India than they do in the US.</p><p>Prices for higher bandwidths are way out of reach for most people. And these high speeds are only available select cities. State owned telco BSNL charges than 130 dollars a month for 1 mbps limited to mere 27 GB data transfer!</p><p>In rural areas, it is far worse. You can even forget about decent dial up. Thankfully, cellphone providers are slowly changing this. EDGE is available in a lot of rural areas now and so is CDMA 1x. So rural areas end up getting better speeds through wireless networks than they can by telephone lines. But wireless internet is much more expensive.</p><p>Developing countries are not merely a mass of starving poor sick people. They have large bustling cities that generate the money to build facilities in rural areas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you have all of the above ?
Broadband still remains ridiculously expensive .
On this very page , I see an advertisement by an Indian telco service provider offering a massive 512 kbps for almost 30 dollars a month !
And remember that those 30 dollars go much farther in India than they do in the US.Prices for higher bandwidths are way out of reach for most people .
And these high speeds are only available select cities .
State owned telco BSNL charges than 130 dollars a month for 1 mbps limited to mere 27 GB data transfer ! In rural areas , it is far worse .
You can even forget about decent dial up .
Thankfully , cellphone providers are slowly changing this .
EDGE is available in a lot of rural areas now and so is CDMA 1x .
So rural areas end up getting better speeds through wireless networks than they can by telephone lines .
But wireless internet is much more expensive.Developing countries are not merely a mass of starving poor sick people .
They have large bustling cities that generate the money to build facilities in rural areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you have all of the above?
Broadband still remains ridiculously expensive.
On this very page, I see an advertisement by an Indian telco service provider offering a massive 512 kbps for almost 30 dollars a month!
And remember that those 30 dollars go much farther in India than they do in the US.Prices for higher bandwidths are way out of reach for most people.
And these high speeds are only available select cities.
State owned telco BSNL charges than 130 dollars a month for 1 mbps limited to mere 27 GB data transfer!In rural areas, it is far worse.
You can even forget about decent dial up.
Thankfully, cellphone providers are slowly changing this.
EDGE is available in a lot of rural areas now and so is CDMA 1x.
So rural areas end up getting better speeds through wireless networks than they can by telephone lines.
But wireless internet is much more expensive.Developing countries are not merely a mass of starving poor sick people.
They have large bustling cities that generate the money to build facilities in rural areas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850513</id>
	<title>Which developing nations do you refer to?</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1256331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools."</i></p><p>There are different levels of development, you know. Do you really think that someone who is starving and has no idea what a computer is for (apart from the kids who play starcraft in internet cafes) needs online banking? What, are those banks starting to accept cows, goats and chickens as deposits? Does a bank really cares about those whole $50 the village managed to save last year? You can pay someone to stand in line for you at the bank, and they will gladly stand there all day for a dollar. And then you think they will open an account? No, that dollar is going straight to the liquor store... or whatever vice is fashionable in their neighborhood.</p><p>I LIVE in the "developing world" and know whereof I speak. Those who have money - those who drive the economies, even of these small or poor countries, can afford internet at any price, by satellite or whatever. But Poor Joe Average, well no, he can't afford the internet. And he'd have no idea what to do with it. There's a whole learning curve him and the rest of the population have to go through. But learning takes time and money, and if you're on the verge of starvation, you don't HAVE time and money. You keep doing what you always did.</p><p>Lack of internet is not "holding people back". Lack of EDUCATION is, education to get them more productive at whatever it is they do, more efficient, less wasteful of time and resources. THEN they start making money. However someone is still going to have to sew your bras and socks and shirts, someone is going to have to poison himself in the factory making cheap goods for the "developed world", and someone is always going to have to be on the bottom. Though exactly who gets to be on the bottom changes from time to time... kinda like sex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools .
" There are different levels of development , you know .
Do you really think that someone who is starving and has no idea what a computer is for ( apart from the kids who play starcraft in internet cafes ) needs online banking ?
What , are those banks starting to accept cows , goats and chickens as deposits ?
Does a bank really cares about those whole $ 50 the village managed to save last year ?
You can pay someone to stand in line for you at the bank , and they will gladly stand there all day for a dollar .
And then you think they will open an account ?
No , that dollar is going straight to the liquor store... or whatever vice is fashionable in their neighborhood.I LIVE in the " developing world " and know whereof I speak .
Those who have money - those who drive the economies , even of these small or poor countries , can afford internet at any price , by satellite or whatever .
But Poor Joe Average , well no , he ca n't afford the internet .
And he 'd have no idea what to do with it .
There 's a whole learning curve him and the rest of the population have to go through .
But learning takes time and money , and if you 're on the verge of starvation , you do n't HAVE time and money .
You keep doing what you always did.Lack of internet is not " holding people back " .
Lack of EDUCATION is , education to get them more productive at whatever it is they do , more efficient , less wasteful of time and resources .
THEN they start making money .
However someone is still going to have to sew your bras and socks and shirts , someone is going to have to poison himself in the factory making cheap goods for the " developed world " , and someone is always going to have to be on the bottom .
Though exactly who gets to be on the bottom changes from time to time... kinda like sex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools.
"There are different levels of development, you know.
Do you really think that someone who is starving and has no idea what a computer is for (apart from the kids who play starcraft in internet cafes) needs online banking?
What, are those banks starting to accept cows, goats and chickens as deposits?
Does a bank really cares about those whole $50 the village managed to save last year?
You can pay someone to stand in line for you at the bank, and they will gladly stand there all day for a dollar.
And then you think they will open an account?
No, that dollar is going straight to the liquor store... or whatever vice is fashionable in their neighborhood.I LIVE in the "developing world" and know whereof I speak.
Those who have money - those who drive the economies, even of these small or poor countries, can afford internet at any price, by satellite or whatever.
But Poor Joe Average, well no, he can't afford the internet.
And he'd have no idea what to do with it.
There's a whole learning curve him and the rest of the population have to go through.
But learning takes time and money, and if you're on the verge of starvation, you don't HAVE time and money.
You keep doing what you always did.Lack of internet is not "holding people back".
Lack of EDUCATION is, education to get them more productive at whatever it is they do, more efficient, less wasteful of time and resources.
THEN they start making money.
However someone is still going to have to sew your bras and socks and shirts, someone is going to have to poison himself in the factory making cheap goods for the "developed world", and someone is always going to have to be on the bottom.
Though exactly who gets to be on the bottom changes from time to time... kinda like sex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849405</id>
	<title>STOP searching solutions!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1256326860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You haven't even found the real cause! No, cost is no cause. It's a symptom. The real cause is what you get, when you trace it all the way back, until there is no way of tracing it back any further.</p><p>I bet $100, that you will come out at the actions of the WTO. (Notoriously known for keeping levels artificially out of balance. At the profit of those, who are the most powerful in the WTO. You know who.)</p><p>Of course, in the time <em>between</em> searching for that cause, you can look for options that circumvent the problems at the most widest level possible. Like making it possible for the people there, to create their own, completely independent broadband net from next to no money.</p><p>That's yet <em>another</em> reason, why the OLPC project was such a great idea (independent of its execution). One OLPC with a proper Linux installation, and fast long-distance WLAN/WiMax per town, could suffice. Count the people in all developing nations with high bandwidth costs, divide by 1000, and you have a rough estimate for the number of computers you'd need. Then do the rest, just like every other successful charity organization. Make one of those stupid charity festivals. They might be stupid, but they raise large sums of good money in short times. And with being the single most helpful charity plan in the whole wide world (because you don't give fish, but teach how to fish), you have the chances on your side.</p><p>Oh, and if you're an engineer: Come up with a really really cheap broadband tower and system, that can basically be built out of trash and by a non-expert. If you do that, you are good with all social urges to help others, for the rest of your life. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have n't even found the real cause !
No , cost is no cause .
It 's a symptom .
The real cause is what you get , when you trace it all the way back , until there is no way of tracing it back any further.I bet $ 100 , that you will come out at the actions of the WTO .
( Notoriously known for keeping levels artificially out of balance .
At the profit of those , who are the most powerful in the WTO .
You know who .
) Of course , in the time between searching for that cause , you can look for options that circumvent the problems at the most widest level possible .
Like making it possible for the people there , to create their own , completely independent broadband net from next to no money.That 's yet another reason , why the OLPC project was such a great idea ( independent of its execution ) .
One OLPC with a proper Linux installation , and fast long-distance WLAN/WiMax per town , could suffice .
Count the people in all developing nations with high bandwidth costs , divide by 1000 , and you have a rough estimate for the number of computers you 'd need .
Then do the rest , just like every other successful charity organization .
Make one of those stupid charity festivals .
They might be stupid , but they raise large sums of good money in short times .
And with being the single most helpful charity plan in the whole wide world ( because you do n't give fish , but teach how to fish ) , you have the chances on your side.Oh , and if you 're an engineer : Come up with a really really cheap broadband tower and system , that can basically be built out of trash and by a non-expert .
If you do that , you are good with all social urges to help others , for the rest of your life .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You haven't even found the real cause!
No, cost is no cause.
It's a symptom.
The real cause is what you get, when you trace it all the way back, until there is no way of tracing it back any further.I bet $100, that you will come out at the actions of the WTO.
(Notoriously known for keeping levels artificially out of balance.
At the profit of those, who are the most powerful in the WTO.
You know who.
)Of course, in the time between searching for that cause, you can look for options that circumvent the problems at the most widest level possible.
Like making it possible for the people there, to create their own, completely independent broadband net from next to no money.That's yet another reason, why the OLPC project was such a great idea (independent of its execution).
One OLPC with a proper Linux installation, and fast long-distance WLAN/WiMax per town, could suffice.
Count the people in all developing nations with high bandwidth costs, divide by 1000, and you have a rough estimate for the number of computers you'd need.
Then do the rest, just like every other successful charity organization.
Make one of those stupid charity festivals.
They might be stupid, but they raise large sums of good money in short times.
And with being the single most helpful charity plan in the whole wide world (because you don't give fish, but teach how to fish), you have the chances on your side.Oh, and if you're an engineer: Come up with a really really cheap broadband tower and system, that can basically be built out of trash and by a non-expert.
If you do that, you are good with all social urges to help others, for the rest of your life.
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848667</id>
	<title>Chiming in from Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The broadband is everywhere, yes, but to actually get any features you need you're going to have to pay.<br>Want a static IPv4 ip? No problem, it's available for business subscriptions that cost you twice or three times as much. Want an IPv6 subnet? Sure.. but it'll cost you. How about upload bandwidth that doesn't suck? Go ahead, but it'll double the price and you'll have to use a different technique.</p><p>I have two static internet connections (not counting 3G) at home for that reason: ADSL2+ (24M/3M) with a small IPv4 subnet and a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/64 IPv6 for every day stuff, and a VDSL2 (100/64M) for hosting anything bigger than a two megabyte image *with a dynamic ip*. If you wanted to have a fat pipe with any of the features users actually need you have to pay hundreds of euros for a decent symmetric SHDSL connection.</p><p>For anyone curious the ADSL2+ line costs me 80EUR a month from a smaller enthusiast ISP and the VDSL2 60 eur/month from a big known ISP. I wish they'd offer something usable at lower price<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p><p>Also I know no ISP that offers fiber to home (they say "fiber" but it means fiber to your block and then DSL/cable from there to you), unless you pay really big.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The broadband is everywhere , yes , but to actually get any features you need you 're going to have to pay.Want a static IPv4 ip ?
No problem , it 's available for business subscriptions that cost you twice or three times as much .
Want an IPv6 subnet ?
Sure.. but it 'll cost you .
How about upload bandwidth that does n't suck ?
Go ahead , but it 'll double the price and you 'll have to use a different technique.I have two static internet connections ( not counting 3G ) at home for that reason : ADSL2 + ( 24M/3M ) with a small IPv4 subnet and a /64 IPv6 for every day stuff , and a VDSL2 ( 100/64M ) for hosting anything bigger than a two megabyte image * with a dynamic ip * .
If you wanted to have a fat pipe with any of the features users actually need you have to pay hundreds of euros for a decent symmetric SHDSL connection.For anyone curious the ADSL2 + line costs me 80EUR a month from a smaller enthusiast ISP and the VDSL2 60 eur/month from a big known ISP .
I wish they 'd offer something usable at lower price : - ( Also I know no ISP that offers fiber to home ( they say " fiber " but it means fiber to your block and then DSL/cable from there to you ) , unless you pay really big .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The broadband is everywhere, yes, but to actually get any features you need you're going to have to pay.Want a static IPv4 ip?
No problem, it's available for business subscriptions that cost you twice or three times as much.
Want an IPv6 subnet?
Sure.. but it'll cost you.
How about upload bandwidth that doesn't suck?
Go ahead, but it'll double the price and you'll have to use a different technique.I have two static internet connections (not counting 3G) at home for that reason: ADSL2+ (24M/3M) with a small IPv4 subnet and a /64 IPv6 for every day stuff, and a VDSL2 (100/64M) for hosting anything bigger than a two megabyte image *with a dynamic ip*.
If you wanted to have a fat pipe with any of the features users actually need you have to pay hundreds of euros for a decent symmetric SHDSL connection.For anyone curious the ADSL2+ line costs me 80EUR a month from a smaller enthusiast ISP and the VDSL2 60 eur/month from a big known ISP.
I wish they'd offer something usable at lower price :-(Also I know no ISP that offers fiber to home (they say "fiber" but it means fiber to your block and then DSL/cable from there to you), unless you pay really big.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848725</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah..don't forget food and shelter too.<p>
"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah..do n't forget food and shelter too .
" Hey , Unbooboo....I 'm starving , naked and wet....but , man , I 'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah..don't forget food and shelter too.
"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29863351</id>
	<title>Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1256470440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>for e.g. in India there is <a href="http://tr.im/kJHv" title="tr.im" rel="nofollow">no</a> [tr.im] corruption free delivery system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>for e.g .
in India there is no [ tr.im ] corruption free delivery system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for e.g.
in India there is no [tr.im] corruption free delivery system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850167</id>
	<title>Re:Priority?</title>
	<author>tabrnaker</author>
	<datestamp>1256329860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>sustainable housing design from natural materials, permaculture, water purification.  A lot of this info comes in the form of huge video packages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>sustainable housing design from natural materials , permaculture , water purification .
A lot of this info comes in the form of huge video packages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sustainable housing design from natural materials, permaculture, water purification.
A lot of this info comes in the form of huge video packages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848813</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1256324640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>Like many information technologies, broadband access reduces the cost and increases the usefulness of basic utilities: Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks). Access to medical care is also improved by Broadband access, allowing doctors to telecommute, and rapidly research and connect with collegues who may be in remote locations. Clean drinking water, even, can be helped by broadband access -- the distribution of knowledge on how to build low-cost water purification systems. For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.Like many information technologies , broadband access reduces the cost and increases the usefulness of basic utilities : Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster , more tamper-proof , and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices ( such as checks ) .
Access to medical care is also improved by Broadband access , allowing doctors to telecommute , and rapidly research and connect with collegues who may be in remote locations .
Clean drinking water , even , can be helped by broadband access -- the distribution of knowledge on how to build low-cost water purification systems .
For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.Like many information technologies, broadband access reduces the cost and increases the usefulness of basic utilities: Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks).
Access to medical care is also improved by Broadband access, allowing doctors to telecommute, and rapidly research and connect with collegues who may be in remote locations.
Clean drinking water, even, can be helped by broadband access -- the distribution of knowledge on how to build low-cost water purification systems.
For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848715</id>
	<title>Yes...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...just like Nigeria...</p><p>Perhaps we should send them some money... you know so they can pay for broadband... I hear the initial investment will pay back something like 10000\%!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...just like Nigeria...Perhaps we should send them some money... you know so they can pay for broadband... I hear the initial investment will pay back something like 10000 \ % !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...just like Nigeria...Perhaps we should send them some money... you know so they can pay for broadband... I hear the initial investment will pay back something like 10000\%!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850607</id>
	<title>Re:Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256331480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some broadband use can be a substitute for road travel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some broadband use can be a substitute for road travel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some broadband use can be a substitute for road travel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852499</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Zak3056</author>
	<datestamp>1256297760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks).</p></div></blockquote><p>I think by "security" the GP meant, "not being the subject of genocide," more than "not being the subject of identity theft."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster , more tamper-proof , and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices ( such as checks ) .I think by " security " the GP meant , " not being the subject of genocide , " more than " not being the subject of identity theft .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks).I think by "security" the GP meant, "not being the subject of genocide," more than "not being the subject of identity theft.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848959</id>
	<title>Serving content</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1256325120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least here in Uruguay costs for housing content are extremely high compared with the developed world. I remember last decade when the "standard" connection for 64kbps output was like US$2k. And things didnt improved a lot in the following years. This year finally you could get an affordable (as in US$200/mo) to get a fixed IP (adsl) with 4M/512K connection, but other kinds of (non-adsl) connections could be far more expensive.<br><br>And if that is the situation here, don't want to think how bad is in other less developed countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least here in Uruguay costs for housing content are extremely high compared with the developed world .
I remember last decade when the " standard " connection for 64kbps output was like US $ 2k .
And things didnt improved a lot in the following years .
This year finally you could get an affordable ( as in US $ 200/mo ) to get a fixed IP ( adsl ) with 4M/512K connection , but other kinds of ( non-adsl ) connections could be far more expensive.And if that is the situation here , do n't want to think how bad is in other less developed countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least here in Uruguay costs for housing content are extremely high compared with the developed world.
I remember last decade when the "standard" connection for 64kbps output was like US$2k.
And things didnt improved a lot in the following years.
This year finally you could get an affordable (as in US$200/mo) to get a fixed IP (adsl) with 4M/512K connection, but other kinds of (non-adsl) connections could be far more expensive.And if that is the situation here, don't want to think how bad is in other less developed countries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849749</id>
	<title>How many people in developing countires...</title>
	<author>rnturn</author>
	<datestamp>1256328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... even have enough money and a computer to even be able to <i>do</i> online banking? I imagine they're <i>far</i> more interested in having potable water, something to eat, and a roof over their heads before they even think about needing a computer or a broadband connection.

</p><p>Geez. The folks that come up with these studies need to get out a little more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... even have enough money and a computer to even be able to do online banking ?
I imagine they 're far more interested in having potable water , something to eat , and a roof over their heads before they even think about needing a computer or a broadband connection .
Geez. The folks that come up with these studies need to get out a little more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... even have enough money and a computer to even be able to do online banking?
I imagine they're far more interested in having potable water, something to eat, and a roof over their heads before they even think about needing a computer or a broadband connection.
Geez. The folks that come up with these studies need to get out a little more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850755</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256288820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude I live in a developing country, and contrary to popular (Western) belief, we have decent security, health care, food, shelter, clean drinking water and quite good infrastructure in general. You might think my country is an exception, but I tend to believe otherwise, there are many other countries out there who are not poor enough to be considered as third-world, and too poor to be considered as developed. The thing is those countries are struggling to develop, and poor internet access, amongst others is quite an obstacle. My country is small, so forget mass-agriculture or mass-industrialization. We are trying to develop sectors such as Tourism, BPO  and Financial Services. Hence the need for good internet access!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude I live in a developing country , and contrary to popular ( Western ) belief , we have decent security , health care , food , shelter , clean drinking water and quite good infrastructure in general .
You might think my country is an exception , but I tend to believe otherwise , there are many other countries out there who are not poor enough to be considered as third-world , and too poor to be considered as developed .
The thing is those countries are struggling to develop , and poor internet access , amongst others is quite an obstacle .
My country is small , so forget mass-agriculture or mass-industrialization .
We are trying to develop sectors such as Tourism , BPO and Financial Services .
Hence the need for good internet access !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude I live in a developing country, and contrary to popular (Western) belief, we have decent security, health care, food, shelter, clean drinking water and quite good infrastructure in general.
You might think my country is an exception, but I tend to believe otherwise, there are many other countries out there who are not poor enough to be considered as third-world, and too poor to be considered as developed.
The thing is those countries are struggling to develop, and poor internet access, amongst others is quite an obstacle.
My country is small, so forget mass-agriculture or mass-industrialization.
We are trying to develop sectors such as Tourism, BPO  and Financial Services.
Hence the need for good internet access!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852967</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1256302080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>But <em>apart</em> from that, what have the romans ever done for us?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.But apart from that , what have the romans ever done for us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.But apart from that, what have the romans ever done for us?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850185</id>
	<title>developing nations and USA crippled</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1256329920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't we count ourselves as crippled by broadband costs?</p><p>We are, compared to some of the developed nations of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't we count ourselves as crippled by broadband costs ? We are , compared to some of the developed nations of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't we count ourselves as crippled by broadband costs?We are, compared to some of the developed nations of the world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853539</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1256308080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broadband access, of course.  I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>[<em>I replied to this once already, but for some reason, slashdot truncated my response. Here's the full deal....</em>]</p><p>How can you contact the police or the doctor if you don't have working comms? How can you get access to better education without distance learning? How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others?</p><p>Communications is infrastructure. While it's not the only piece of the puzzle, it's a critical, fundamental one. Also, communications breeds wealth. I've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu, considered a Least Developed Country by the UN. In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation, teledensity (phones per population) has tripled. National cellular coverage has increased from about 20\% of the population to nearly 80\%. The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over 1\%. Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2\%.</p><p>For a more comprehensive look at the correlation between improved telecoms infrastructure and economic growth, take a look at the <a href="http://www.pacificsurvey.org/" title="pacificsurvey.org">Pacific Economic Survey for 2008</a> [pacificsurvey.org]. It has some very well-presented data that deals with this issue on a regional basis.</p><p>The UN report is correct, as far as it goes, but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is, the greatest impact happens when people have <em>any access at all</em> to basic communications. Living as I do in a country with some of the highest Internet fees in the world (USD 55 for 128Kbps to USD 500 for 1Mbps), I've learned the hard way how to keep in touch using only a nominal Internet connection. For most people here, their only choice is GPRS mobile service available at USD 4/MB (total upload/download).</p><p>Is high cost Internet a hindrance? Unquestionably. Is it a priority? You bet your boots. This country recently faced a tsunami warning, is heading into hurricane season and has a volcano that's recently been upgraded to level 2 (no earth shattering kaboom yet, but needs watching). The only way the people close to the volcano were able to get a warning out was via HF radio to a nearby island, which relayed the warning to the national capital. Given that there's a lake in the caldera separated by only 2 metres of stone from the magma chamber, the potential for a Krakatoa-scale event is quite high. You can bet that people want to know when this vocano stirs, but communications infrastructure is so poor that the explosion/tidal wave would reach us before the warning did.</p><p>I write a weekly column about these things for a national newspaper, so I can speak with some assurance when I tell you that improving communications saves lives. In fact, where the volcano is concerned, this is an issue that affects people throughout the Pacific, from Japan and Australia to the western US and Canada.</p><p>(I'd link to my blog, but our Internet service here is so poor that it's offline right at the moment.)</p><p>We don't have huge issues with hunger here, and there's virtually no homelessness, but health and education are significant problems. Most of the development work in these two sectors is predicated on improving communications. Even economic interests admit that they need adequate comms in order to work at all. The linchpin of the National Bank of Vanuatu's rural finance scheme is a mobile phone-based finance system coupled with increased rural presence. Each new office is accompanied by its own VSAT terminal in order to function. The Bank is far-sighted enough to have signed agreements sharing that data stream with other information services in order to maximise community benefit.</p><p>To sum up: Without solid communications infrastructure, development is rendered many times more difficult than it should be. Improving access to information networks is something the entire world should be investing in, if only out of enlightened self-interest.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water .
[ I replied to this once already , but for some reason , slashdot truncated my response .
Here 's the full deal.... ] How can you contact the police or the doctor if you do n't have working comms ?
How can you get access to better education without distance learning ?
How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others ? Communications is infrastructure .
While it 's not the only piece of the puzzle , it 's a critical , fundamental one .
Also , communications breeds wealth .
I 've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu , considered a Least Developed Country by the UN .
In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation , teledensity ( phones per population ) has tripled .
National cellular coverage has increased from about 20 \ % of the population to nearly 80 \ % .
The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over 1 \ % .
Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2 \ % .For a more comprehensive look at the correlation between improved telecoms infrastructure and economic growth , take a look at the Pacific Economic Survey for 2008 [ pacificsurvey.org ] .
It has some very well-presented data that deals with this issue on a regional basis.The UN report is correct , as far as it goes , but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is , the greatest impact happens when people have any access at all to basic communications .
Living as I do in a country with some of the highest Internet fees in the world ( USD 55 for 128Kbps to USD 500 for 1Mbps ) , I 've learned the hard way how to keep in touch using only a nominal Internet connection .
For most people here , their only choice is GPRS mobile service available at USD 4/MB ( total upload/download ) .Is high cost Internet a hindrance ?
Unquestionably. Is it a priority ?
You bet your boots .
This country recently faced a tsunami warning , is heading into hurricane season and has a volcano that 's recently been upgraded to level 2 ( no earth shattering kaboom yet , but needs watching ) .
The only way the people close to the volcano were able to get a warning out was via HF radio to a nearby island , which relayed the warning to the national capital .
Given that there 's a lake in the caldera separated by only 2 metres of stone from the magma chamber , the potential for a Krakatoa-scale event is quite high .
You can bet that people want to know when this vocano stirs , but communications infrastructure is so poor that the explosion/tidal wave would reach us before the warning did.I write a weekly column about these things for a national newspaper , so I can speak with some assurance when I tell you that improving communications saves lives .
In fact , where the volcano is concerned , this is an issue that affects people throughout the Pacific , from Japan and Australia to the western US and Canada .
( I 'd link to my blog , but our Internet service here is so poor that it 's offline right at the moment .
) We do n't have huge issues with hunger here , and there 's virtually no homelessness , but health and education are significant problems .
Most of the development work in these two sectors is predicated on improving communications .
Even economic interests admit that they need adequate comms in order to work at all .
The linchpin of the National Bank of Vanuatu 's rural finance scheme is a mobile phone-based finance system coupled with increased rural presence .
Each new office is accompanied by its own VSAT terminal in order to function .
The Bank is far-sighted enough to have signed agreements sharing that data stream with other information services in order to maximise community benefit.To sum up : Without solid communications infrastructure , development is rendered many times more difficult than it should be .
Improving access to information networks is something the entire world should be investing in , if only out of enlightened self-interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.
[I replied to this once already, but for some reason, slashdot truncated my response.
Here's the full deal....]How can you contact the police or the doctor if you don't have working comms?
How can you get access to better education without distance learning?
How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others?Communications is infrastructure.
While it's not the only piece of the puzzle, it's a critical, fundamental one.
Also, communications breeds wealth.
I've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu, considered a Least Developed Country by the UN.
In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation, teledensity (phones per population) has tripled.
National cellular coverage has increased from about 20\% of the population to nearly 80\%.
The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over 1\%.
Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2\%.For a more comprehensive look at the correlation between improved telecoms infrastructure and economic growth, take a look at the Pacific Economic Survey for 2008 [pacificsurvey.org].
It has some very well-presented data that deals with this issue on a regional basis.The UN report is correct, as far as it goes, but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is, the greatest impact happens when people have any access at all to basic communications.
Living as I do in a country with some of the highest Internet fees in the world (USD 55 for 128Kbps to USD 500 for 1Mbps), I've learned the hard way how to keep in touch using only a nominal Internet connection.
For most people here, their only choice is GPRS mobile service available at USD 4/MB (total upload/download).Is high cost Internet a hindrance?
Unquestionably. Is it a priority?
You bet your boots.
This country recently faced a tsunami warning, is heading into hurricane season and has a volcano that's recently been upgraded to level 2 (no earth shattering kaboom yet, but needs watching).
The only way the people close to the volcano were able to get a warning out was via HF radio to a nearby island, which relayed the warning to the national capital.
Given that there's a lake in the caldera separated by only 2 metres of stone from the magma chamber, the potential for a Krakatoa-scale event is quite high.
You can bet that people want to know when this vocano stirs, but communications infrastructure is so poor that the explosion/tidal wave would reach us before the warning did.I write a weekly column about these things for a national newspaper, so I can speak with some assurance when I tell you that improving communications saves lives.
In fact, where the volcano is concerned, this is an issue that affects people throughout the Pacific, from Japan and Australia to the western US and Canada.
(I'd link to my blog, but our Internet service here is so poor that it's offline right at the moment.
)We don't have huge issues with hunger here, and there's virtually no homelessness, but health and education are significant problems.
Most of the development work in these two sectors is predicated on improving communications.
Even economic interests admit that they need adequate comms in order to work at all.
The linchpin of the National Bank of Vanuatu's rural finance scheme is a mobile phone-based finance system coupled with increased rural presence.
Each new office is accompanied by its own VSAT terminal in order to function.
The Bank is far-sighted enough to have signed agreements sharing that data stream with other information services in order to maximise community benefit.To sum up: Without solid communications infrastructure, development is rendered many times more difficult than it should be.
Improving access to information networks is something the entire world should be investing in, if only out of enlightened self-interest.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853071</id>
	<title>Then you move to Canada</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1256303040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>and get the same cost as you had in a developing world</p><p>YUP SCREWED UP YOUR ARSE IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and get the same cost as you had in a developing worldYUP SCREWED UP YOUR ARSE IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and get the same cost as you had in a developing worldYUP SCREWED UP YOUR ARSE IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848553</id>
	<title>Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here is the thing, in developing and third-world nations the infrastructure simply isn't there. Most of the time their countries are located in hostile terrain, either they are isolated by mountains, the sea, have extreme climates, have a corrupt government that doesn't want to help its people, or the people simply live in remote areas. Just look at rural America, there are lots of places where the best you can get is cell phone internet speeds, and a lot of these people live just a mile or two outside of a town. Think of how bigger of a challenge this is where you have people who live many miles from any major town, are dirt poor, and you have to cross hostile terrain. Thats how its like in most of these countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is the thing , in developing and third-world nations the infrastructure simply is n't there .
Most of the time their countries are located in hostile terrain , either they are isolated by mountains , the sea , have extreme climates , have a corrupt government that does n't want to help its people , or the people simply live in remote areas .
Just look at rural America , there are lots of places where the best you can get is cell phone internet speeds , and a lot of these people live just a mile or two outside of a town .
Think of how bigger of a challenge this is where you have people who live many miles from any major town , are dirt poor , and you have to cross hostile terrain .
Thats how its like in most of these countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is the thing, in developing and third-world nations the infrastructure simply isn't there.
Most of the time their countries are located in hostile terrain, either they are isolated by mountains, the sea, have extreme climates, have a corrupt government that doesn't want to help its people, or the people simply live in remote areas.
Just look at rural America, there are lots of places where the best you can get is cell phone internet speeds, and a lot of these people live just a mile or two outside of a town.
Think of how bigger of a challenge this is where you have people who live many miles from any major town, are dirt poor, and you have to cross hostile terrain.
Thats how its like in most of these countries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849189</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>Beeelow</author>
	<datestamp>1256326020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think those people have more important things to think about than what's the latest and greatest news on Slashdot 2.0.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think those people have more important things to think about than what 's the latest and greatest news on Slashdot 2.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think those people have more important things to think about than what's the latest and greatest news on Slashdot 2.0.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849673</id>
	<title>It is after all, a developing nation</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1256327880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet &mdash; like online banking and market tools."</i> <br> <br>I don't want to sound like a meanie, but by definition, that <b>is</b> a developing nation. We all had to start somewhere and <i>develop</i> into what we are today.<br> <br>Someone needs to stop thinking broadband is a right. Its not. TV isn't. Radio isn't. You aren't born with a right to broadband internet access.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you live in the developing world , a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim .
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet    like online banking and market tools .
" I do n't want to sound like a meanie , but by definition , that is a developing nation .
We all had to start somewhere and develop into what we are today .
Someone needs to stop thinking broadband is a right .
Its not .
TV is n't .
Radio is n't .
You are n't born with a right to broadband internet access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim.
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet — like online banking and market tools.
"  I don't want to sound like a meanie, but by definition, that is a developing nation.
We all had to start somewhere and develop into what we are today.
Someone needs to stop thinking broadband is a right.
Its not.
TV isn't.
Radio isn't.
You aren't born with a right to broadband internet access.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848689</id>
	<title>Why jump right to broadband?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Why don't they just use dial-up like we all did 15 years ago.  If they don't have a functional telephone infrastructure then maybe that's a problem they should address first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't they just use dial-up like we all did 15 years ago .
If they do n't have a functional telephone infrastructure then maybe that 's a problem they should address first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't they just use dial-up like we all did 15 years ago.
If they don't have a functional telephone infrastructure then maybe that's a problem they should address first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849897</id>
	<title>Good ol' false dichotomy</title>
	<author>JLavezzo</author>
	<datestamp>1256328840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Why can't we have all of that?</p><p>Development is not homogeneous.  Some people may still be subsistence farmers with little access to clean water.  150 miles away, someone in a city may have running water, electricity and an office job.  But her business is hampered by astronomical communication costs. Her business profits provide tax revenue to the government.  If tax revenues go up, the government can do things like improve the roads to the farmer's town so he can get more crops to market and not be a subsistence farmer anymore an just be a farmer who can afford school fees for his children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't we have all of that ? Development is not homogeneous .
Some people may still be subsistence farmers with little access to clean water .
150 miles away , someone in a city may have running water , electricity and an office job .
But her business is hampered by astronomical communication costs .
Her business profits provide tax revenue to the government .
If tax revenues go up , the government can do things like improve the roads to the farmer 's town so he can get more crops to market and not be a subsistence farmer anymore an just be a farmer who can afford school fees for his children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't we have all of that?Development is not homogeneous.
Some people may still be subsistence farmers with little access to clean water.
150 miles away, someone in a city may have running water, electricity and an office job.
But her business is hampered by astronomical communication costs.
Her business profits provide tax revenue to the government.
If tax revenues go up, the government can do things like improve the roads to the farmer's town so he can get more crops to market and not be a subsistence farmer anymore an just be a farmer who can afford school fees for his children.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849173</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1256325960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</i></p><p>Strangely enough, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications\_in\_Somalia" title="wikipedia.org">Somalia is touted</a> [wikipedia.org] to have one of the most advanced telecommunications industry in Africa.</p><p>Apparently when there is no corrupt government (or any government worth mentioning) or regulatory body (FCC) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.</p><p>Of course during the anarchy most of the copper why was torn down and sold as scrap by looters so wireless was the only alternative and many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.</p><p>That said... Between the angry warlords and Islamic militias... I wouldn't move there for the wireless and broad band systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.Strangely enough , Somalia is touted [ wikipedia.org ] to have one of the most advanced telecommunications industry in Africa.Apparently when there is no corrupt government ( or any government worth mentioning ) or regulatory body ( FCC ) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.Of course during the anarchy most of the copper why was torn down and sold as scrap by looters so wireless was the only alternative and many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.That said... Between the angry warlords and Islamic militias... I would n't move there for the wireless and broad band systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.Strangely enough, Somalia is touted [wikipedia.org] to have one of the most advanced telecommunications industry in Africa.Apparently when there is no corrupt government (or any government worth mentioning) or regulatory body (FCC) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.Of course during the anarchy most of the copper why was torn down and sold as scrap by looters so wireless was the only alternative and many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.That said... Between the angry warlords and Islamic militias... I wouldn't move there for the wireless and broad band systems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852307</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1256296320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broadband access, of course.  I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.</p></div><p>How can you contact the doctor if you don't have working comms? How can you get access to better education without distance learning? How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others?</p><p>Communications is infrastructure. While it's not the only piece of the puzzle, it's a critical, fundamental one. Also, communications breeds wealth. I've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu, considered a Least Developed Country by the UN. In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation, teledensity (phones per population) has tripled. National cellular coverage has increased from about 20\% of the population to nearly 80\%. The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over1\%. Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2\%</p><p>The report is correct, as far as it goes, but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is, the greatest impact</p></div>
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<tokenext>Broadband access , of course .
I 'd imagine that narrowly edged out security , stability , access to medical care , and clean drinking water.How can you contact the doctor if you do n't have working comms ?
How can you get access to better education without distance learning ?
How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others ? Communications is infrastructure .
While it 's not the only piece of the puzzle , it 's a critical , fundamental one .
Also , communications breeds wealth .
I 've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu , considered a Least Developed Country by the UN .
In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation , teledensity ( phones per population ) has tripled .
National cellular coverage has increased from about 20 \ % of the population to nearly 80 \ % .
The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over1 \ % .
Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2 \ % The report is correct , as far as it goes , but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is , the greatest impact</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband access, of course.
I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.How can you contact the doctor if you don't have working comms?
How can you get access to better education without distance learning?
How can you advocate for better sanitation unless you have some means to contact others?Communications is infrastructure.
While it's not the only piece of the puzzle, it's a critical, fundamental one.
Also, communications breeds wealth.
I've been helping out a little with a national telecommunications strategy in Vanuatu, considered a Least Developed Country by the UN.
In a little over a year since we implemented telecoms market liberalisation, teledensity (phones per population) has tripled.
National cellular coverage has increased from about 20\% of the population to nearly 80\%.
The government of Vanuatu estimates that this has lead to an increased in GDP of over1\%.
Papua New Guinea estimates the impact for them at over 2\%The report is correct, as far as it goes, but it neglects the fact that the biggest leap is from zero to one - that is, the greatest impact
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29858741</id>
	<title>Re:This is undertandable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256415300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Does your cousin happen to be a Nigerian prince?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does your cousin happen to be a Nigerian prince ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does your cousin happen to be a Nigerian prince?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29856657</id>
	<title>On the "bigger problems"</title>
	<author>KingAlanI</author>
	<datestamp>1256399460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, most of these countries have a lot of other, bigger, problems.<br>But to totally ignore "small" problems because you're so focused on the "big" problems - as a general rule, that doesn't make sense. Heck, because they're "smaller", you might just be able to handle them, whereas you wouldn't be able to get *anything* done on the big problems due to to *their* size.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , most of these countries have a lot of other , bigger , problems.But to totally ignore " small " problems because you 're so focused on the " big " problems - as a general rule , that does n't make sense .
Heck , because they 're " smaller " , you might just be able to handle them , whereas you would n't be able to get * anything * done on the big problems due to to * their * size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, most of these countries have a lot of other, bigger, problems.But to totally ignore "small" problems because you're so focused on the "big" problems - as a general rule, that doesn't make sense.
Heck, because they're "smaller", you might just be able to handle them, whereas you wouldn't be able to get *anything* done on the big problems due to to *their* size.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849653</id>
	<title>Oh Please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256327820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Again, this is code for Marxist redistribution of wealth. There will always be developed countries and there will always be 3rd world countries. Nobody has the right to a certain standard of living. The United States went from a small developing nation to a world superpower. Why, hard work and inginuity. China is doing the same now. We are not responsible for every 3rd world toilet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , this is code for Marxist redistribution of wealth .
There will always be developed countries and there will always be 3rd world countries .
Nobody has the right to a certain standard of living .
The United States went from a small developing nation to a world superpower .
Why , hard work and inginuity .
China is doing the same now .
We are not responsible for every 3rd world toilet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, this is code for Marxist redistribution of wealth.
There will always be developed countries and there will always be 3rd world countries.
Nobody has the right to a certain standard of living.
The United States went from a small developing nation to a world superpower.
Why, hard work and inginuity.
China is doing the same now.
We are not responsible for every 3rd world toilet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852281</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256296080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You underestimate the usefulness of broadband.... It's a pity that you have become so complacent. Sweeping generalisations is one of the symptoms....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You underestimate the usefulness of broadband.... It 's a pity that you have become so complacent .
Sweeping generalisations is one of the symptoms... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You underestimate the usefulness of broadband.... It's a pity that you have become so complacent.
Sweeping generalisations is one of the symptoms....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848543</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849067</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>debrain</author>
	<datestamp>1256325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Incidental to your post, one theme of Jeffrey Sach's book "The End of Poverty" is that the lack of infrastructure in the developing and especially the subsistent populations of the world is in no small part a result of the lack of population density (i.e. rurality). I think your post accords with this conclusion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incidental to your post , one theme of Jeffrey Sach 's book " The End of Poverty " is that the lack of infrastructure in the developing and especially the subsistent populations of the world is in no small part a result of the lack of population density ( i.e .
rurality ) . I think your post accords with this conclusion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incidental to your post, one theme of Jeffrey Sach's book "The End of Poverty" is that the lack of infrastructure in the developing and especially the subsistent populations of the world is in no small part a result of the lack of population density (i.e.
rurality). I think your post accords with this conclusion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848553</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29858215</id>
	<title>Re:Chiming in from Finland</title>
	<author>will\_die</author>
	<datestamp>1256411520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better then Germany, I pay around 60EUR for 2M up and down.  The only thing cheap is that I could upgrade to 16M for around 10EUR more, if it was available in my area.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better then Germany , I pay around 60EUR for 2M up and down .
The only thing cheap is that I could upgrade to 16M for around 10EUR more , if it was available in my area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better then Germany, I pay around 60EUR for 2M up and down.
The only thing cheap is that I could upgrade to 16M for around 10EUR more, if it was available in my area.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849275</id>
	<title>OGMAB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256326380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like you can't do online banking via touch-tone phone?  I used to do that back in the Dark Ages; these days, even developing countries have mobile phone networks, where you can do your banking and market research by text message.  Sorry, someone is just trying to scare us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like you ca n't do online banking via touch-tone phone ?
I used to do that back in the Dark Ages ; these days , even developing countries have mobile phone networks , where you can do your banking and market research by text message .
Sorry , someone is just trying to scare us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like you can't do online banking via touch-tone phone?
I used to do that back in the Dark Ages; these days, even developing countries have mobile phone networks, where you can do your banking and market research by text message.
Sorry, someone is just trying to scare us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850267</id>
	<title>(Wireless) Mesh networking</title>
	<author>Casandro</author>
	<datestamp>1256330220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well when corporations and governments are corrupt, the best way to go is obviously to install (wireless) mesh networking equipment. Essentially you need a few people who can install the alternative firmware onto cheap wireless routers and set an IP-Address. The rest of the people now just need to put those routers in convenient places. As a bonus feature, you could add simple single chip serial terminals into the case and make cheap and tiny internet terminals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well when corporations and governments are corrupt , the best way to go is obviously to install ( wireless ) mesh networking equipment .
Essentially you need a few people who can install the alternative firmware onto cheap wireless routers and set an IP-Address .
The rest of the people now just need to put those routers in convenient places .
As a bonus feature , you could add simple single chip serial terminals into the case and make cheap and tiny internet terminals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well when corporations and governments are corrupt, the best way to go is obviously to install (wireless) mesh networking equipment.
Essentially you need a few people who can install the alternative firmware onto cheap wireless routers and set an IP-Address.
The rest of the people now just need to put those routers in convenient places.
As a bonus feature, you could add simple single chip serial terminals into the case and make cheap and tiny internet terminals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851909</id>
	<title>Re:Chiming in from Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256293620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3M up is upload bandwidth that sucks?  On DSL, no less.</p><p>Nice problem to have.</p><p>The absolute fastest DSL I can get around here is 16M/1M.  Most of them are only 800k up.<br>And this is with the biggest DSL provider in this half of the country.</p><p>Cable comes in marginally quicker, but that 100/64 that you're running is simply not available to anybody around here, for any price.<br>I'd love it if it was, because then I could host my own CD images for my diagnostic software.  But...not going to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3M up is upload bandwidth that sucks ?
On DSL , no less.Nice problem to have.The absolute fastest DSL I can get around here is 16M/1M .
Most of them are only 800k up.And this is with the biggest DSL provider in this half of the country.Cable comes in marginally quicker , but that 100/64 that you 're running is simply not available to anybody around here , for any price.I 'd love it if it was , because then I could host my own CD images for my diagnostic software .
But...not going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3M up is upload bandwidth that sucks?
On DSL, no less.Nice problem to have.The absolute fastest DSL I can get around here is 16M/1M.
Most of them are only 800k up.And this is with the biggest DSL provider in this half of the country.Cable comes in marginally quicker, but that 100/64 that you're running is simply not available to anybody around here, for any price.I'd love it if it was, because then I could host my own CD images for my diagnostic software.
But...not going to happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29854601</id>
	<title>Mexican Telecomm Tax</title>
	<author>courcoul</author>
	<datestamp>1256325540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And let's not forget the current Mexican Administration, hellbent on establishing a special tax on all telecommunications: cell and landline telephony, internet access, the works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And let 's not forget the current Mexican Administration , hellbent on establishing a special tax on all telecommunications : cell and landline telephony , internet access , the works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And let's not forget the current Mexican Administration, hellbent on establishing a special tax on all telecommunications: cell and landline telephony, internet access, the works.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849107</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>postbigbang</author>
	<datestamp>1256325780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consider an alternate solution that's a comparatively cheap: broadband via mobiles/cellphone technology is perhaps easier to implement. The backhaul costs are lower, oversubscription is a potential problem, but it's been shown that the leap from no phones to mobiles is easier than supporting landlines investments. As people can start to afford shared PCs, netbooks, etc., speeds like EDGE, UMTS, even GPRS aren't untennable. Although oversubscription can slow things down, by that point others are seeking (and paying for) faster alternatives, like DSL, cable, and T's and D's.</p><p>Yes, food and water and clothing and medical are certainly necessary, but developing nations can get a lot of wireless bandwidth that's commercially driven by demand with less capex through wireless "broadband" deployments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider an alternate solution that 's a comparatively cheap : broadband via mobiles/cellphone technology is perhaps easier to implement .
The backhaul costs are lower , oversubscription is a potential problem , but it 's been shown that the leap from no phones to mobiles is easier than supporting landlines investments .
As people can start to afford shared PCs , netbooks , etc. , speeds like EDGE , UMTS , even GPRS are n't untennable .
Although oversubscription can slow things down , by that point others are seeking ( and paying for ) faster alternatives , like DSL , cable , and T 's and D 's.Yes , food and water and clothing and medical are certainly necessary , but developing nations can get a lot of wireless bandwidth that 's commercially driven by demand with less capex through wireless " broadband " deployments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider an alternate solution that's a comparatively cheap: broadband via mobiles/cellphone technology is perhaps easier to implement.
The backhaul costs are lower, oversubscription is a potential problem, but it's been shown that the leap from no phones to mobiles is easier than supporting landlines investments.
As people can start to afford shared PCs, netbooks, etc., speeds like EDGE, UMTS, even GPRS aren't untennable.
Although oversubscription can slow things down, by that point others are seeking (and paying for) faster alternatives, like DSL, cable, and T's and D's.Yes, food and water and clothing and medical are certainly necessary, but developing nations can get a lot of wireless bandwidth that's commercially driven by demand with less capex through wireless "broadband" deployments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850071</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>queazocotal</author>
	<datestamp>1256329440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it doesn't.</p><p>Dialup works just fine for accessing bank site, or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if they're properly coded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it does n't.Dialup works just fine for accessing bank site , or ... if they 're properly coded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it doesn't.Dialup works just fine for accessing bank site, or ... if they're properly coded.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849481</id>
	<title>Re:The solution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256327100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And on the plus side the use of Pigeon.net can assist with starvation issues as well!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And on the plus side the use of Pigeon.net can assist with starvation issues as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And on the plus side the use of Pigeon.net can assist with starvation issues as well!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848551</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29854223</id>
	<title>In Colombia</title>
	<author>Moe1975</author>
	<datestamp>1256318760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am paying the equivalent of $50 USD per month for 2 Mbps ADSL - and I consider myself lucky that the quality is decent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am paying the equivalent of $ 50 USD per month for 2 Mbps ADSL - and I consider myself lucky that the quality is decent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am paying the equivalent of $50 USD per month for 2 Mbps ADSL - and I consider myself lucky that the quality is decent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851003</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1256289840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get 250k, and the fastest (and most insanely expensive) ADSL plan here is 8MB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get 250k , and the fastest ( and most insanely expensive ) ADSL plan here is 8MB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get 250k, and the fastest (and most insanely expensive) ADSL plan here is 8MB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849283</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849359</id>
	<title>Wealth distribution...</title>
	<author>SebaSOFT</author>
	<datestamp>1256326680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever corporations realize that a good resource distribution leads to a bigger ammount of clients, they will start developing the countries themselves, because a non-poor people is a better customer than a poor one. In the developing countries, many people still harvest their food, and not buying it from the nearest Wal-Mart, get it?</p><p>MOAR CUSTOMERS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever corporations realize that a good resource distribution leads to a bigger ammount of clients , they will start developing the countries themselves , because a non-poor people is a better customer than a poor one .
In the developing countries , many people still harvest their food , and not buying it from the nearest Wal-Mart , get it ? MOAR CUSTOMERS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever corporations realize that a good resource distribution leads to a bigger ammount of clients, they will start developing the countries themselves, because a non-poor people is a better customer than a poor one.
In the developing countries, many people still harvest their food, and not buying it from the nearest Wal-Mart, get it?MOAR CUSTOMERS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851943</id>
	<title>WTF? Really? On-line Banking?</title>
	<author>holophrastic</author>
	<datestamp>1256293860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, the complaint isn't food, water, safety, nor health.  It's on-line banking.</p><p>No wonder broadband access is so expensive -- I can't fathom how I'd implement an internet banking integration to my mattress.  How would you go through quality assurance to test for bed-bugs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , the complaint is n't food , water , safety , nor health .
It 's on-line banking.No wonder broadband access is so expensive -- I ca n't fathom how I 'd implement an internet banking integration to my mattress .
How would you go through quality assurance to test for bed-bugs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, the complaint isn't food, water, safety, nor health.
It's on-line banking.No wonder broadband access is so expensive -- I can't fathom how I'd implement an internet banking integration to my mattress.
How would you go through quality assurance to test for bed-bugs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850039</id>
	<title>In Thailand</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1256329380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the phone and stringing wire and cable costs more because of the climate, the ground tends to flood a lot and won't hold the poles, and the economy is so bad that the technology costs a lot.</p><p>My Thai in-laws had ISDN 128K BPS speed but paid a lot for it, and only had the USB interface to it. I wondered why they didn't have DSL or Cable modems, but it seems ISDN is cheaper and uses the ordinary phone lines.</p><p>Most Thai people have cell phones because the land near them won't take on ordinary phone lines and cell phones are cheaper than the land based phone. But something like an iPhone or Blackberry costs them like $900USD or almost 30,000 Thai Bhat. Not because they are being price gouged, but because the economy is so bad that technology costs more there. The cost of computers, game consoles, cell phones, DVD players, TV sets, etc are all high because of that. But food and clothes are cheap because they are not technology based and produced by native farms and companies. The technology made by native companies is usually cheaper than technology from foreign companies, but the iPhone, Blackberry, etc are all foreign made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the phone and stringing wire and cable costs more because of the climate , the ground tends to flood a lot and wo n't hold the poles , and the economy is so bad that the technology costs a lot.My Thai in-laws had ISDN 128K BPS speed but paid a lot for it , and only had the USB interface to it .
I wondered why they did n't have DSL or Cable modems , but it seems ISDN is cheaper and uses the ordinary phone lines.Most Thai people have cell phones because the land near them wo n't take on ordinary phone lines and cell phones are cheaper than the land based phone .
But something like an iPhone or Blackberry costs them like $ 900USD or almost 30,000 Thai Bhat .
Not because they are being price gouged , but because the economy is so bad that technology costs more there .
The cost of computers , game consoles , cell phones , DVD players , TV sets , etc are all high because of that .
But food and clothes are cheap because they are not technology based and produced by native farms and companies .
The technology made by native companies is usually cheaper than technology from foreign companies , but the iPhone , Blackberry , etc are all foreign made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the phone and stringing wire and cable costs more because of the climate, the ground tends to flood a lot and won't hold the poles, and the economy is so bad that the technology costs a lot.My Thai in-laws had ISDN 128K BPS speed but paid a lot for it, and only had the USB interface to it.
I wondered why they didn't have DSL or Cable modems, but it seems ISDN is cheaper and uses the ordinary phone lines.Most Thai people have cell phones because the land near them won't take on ordinary phone lines and cell phones are cheaper than the land based phone.
But something like an iPhone or Blackberry costs them like $900USD or almost 30,000 Thai Bhat.
Not because they are being price gouged, but because the economy is so bad that technology costs more there.
The cost of computers, game consoles, cell phones, DVD players, TV sets, etc are all high because of that.
But food and clothes are cheap because they are not technology based and produced by native farms and companies.
The technology made by native companies is usually cheaper than technology from foreign companies, but the iPhone, Blackberry, etc are all foreign made.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848551</id>
	<title>The solution...</title>
	<author>The Grim Reefer2</author>
	<datestamp>1256323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">Pigeon net.</a> [bbc.co.uk]  Apparently a carrier pigeon is faster as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pigeon net .
[ bbc.co.uk ] Apparently a carrier pigeon is faster as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Pigeon net.
[bbc.co.uk]  Apparently a carrier pigeon is faster as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849187</id>
	<title>cellphones replace much of this in Africa...</title>
	<author>kj\_kabaje</author>
	<datestamp>1256326020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That'd be why telecos are gearing up for big business including cellular banking in Africa <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p07s01-woaf.html" title="csmonitor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p07s01-woaf.html</a> [csmonitor.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 'd be why telecos are gearing up for big business including cellular banking in Africa http : //www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p07s01-woaf.html [ csmonitor.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That'd be why telecos are gearing up for big business including cellular banking in Africa http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p07s01-woaf.html [csmonitor.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848871</id>
	<title>In Mexico we just got a tax on Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in mexico no only is expensive, we just recived from the morons in the congress a new tax for Internet services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in mexico no only is expensive , we just recived from the morons in the congress a new tax for Internet services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in mexico no only is expensive, we just recived from the morons in the congress a new tax for Internet services.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849135</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256325840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, the subject is "heres the thing". WTF kind of summary is that? How about "Infrastructure isn't there". Learn to summarize your posts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , the subject is " heres the thing " .
WTF kind of summary is that ?
How about " Infrastructure is n't there " .
Learn to summarize your posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, the subject is "heres the thing".
WTF kind of summary is that?
How about "Infrastructure isn't there".
Learn to summarize your posts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848553</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851513</id>
	<title>Key word: "Productive"</title>
	<author>PeanutButterBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1256291700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point here isn't the irony of delivering broadband to lost pygmy tribes with no indoor plumbing.</p><p>Hasn't anyone noticed that to use the internet efficiently for even mundane tasks it requires more and more processing power and bandwith?  I wouldn't pay for broadband either, since I rarely use the web for video, gaming or large image downloads -- I could easily get by with dial-up and my PowerBook G4. Heck, I was using a circa 1998 Thinkpad two years ago.  But both machines became an increasing hassle to use <i>even for basic browsing of primarily text sites</i> due to the ton of gimmicky overhead in the form of useless bells and whistles and un-optimized content.</p><p>I agree that people in the 3rd world probably have larger priorities than high-speed internet.  But certainly the internet is a tool that they could benefit from, and the sad fact of the matter is that without high-speed, an increasing portion of the internet is functionally inaccessible.  That is a legitimately dire state of affairs, IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point here is n't the irony of delivering broadband to lost pygmy tribes with no indoor plumbing.Has n't anyone noticed that to use the internet efficiently for even mundane tasks it requires more and more processing power and bandwith ?
I would n't pay for broadband either , since I rarely use the web for video , gaming or large image downloads -- I could easily get by with dial-up and my PowerBook G4 .
Heck , I was using a circa 1998 Thinkpad two years ago .
But both machines became an increasing hassle to use even for basic browsing of primarily text sites due to the ton of gimmicky overhead in the form of useless bells and whistles and un-optimized content.I agree that people in the 3rd world probably have larger priorities than high-speed internet .
But certainly the internet is a tool that they could benefit from , and the sad fact of the matter is that without high-speed , an increasing portion of the internet is functionally inaccessible .
That is a legitimately dire state of affairs , IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point here isn't the irony of delivering broadband to lost pygmy tribes with no indoor plumbing.Hasn't anyone noticed that to use the internet efficiently for even mundane tasks it requires more and more processing power and bandwith?
I wouldn't pay for broadband either, since I rarely use the web for video, gaming or large image downloads -- I could easily get by with dial-up and my PowerBook G4.
Heck, I was using a circa 1998 Thinkpad two years ago.
But both machines became an increasing hassle to use even for basic browsing of primarily text sites due to the ton of gimmicky overhead in the form of useless bells and whistles and un-optimized content.I agree that people in the 3rd world probably have larger priorities than high-speed internet.
But certainly the internet is a tool that they could benefit from, and the sad fact of the matter is that without high-speed, an increasing portion of the internet is functionally inaccessible.
That is a legitimately dire state of affairs, IMO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849111</id>
	<title>Obviously</title>
	<author>Akoman</author>
	<datestamp>1256325780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is clear that the petit bourgeois of the developing world are having difficulty. How are they to manage their bank accounts or find the lowest cost maid service? They live lives that lack basic necessities like online shopping and right-wing blogs! It is vital that we act to improve the lives of those whom we have so much in common with!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is clear that the petit bourgeois of the developing world are having difficulty .
How are they to manage their bank accounts or find the lowest cost maid service ?
They live lives that lack basic necessities like online shopping and right-wing blogs !
It is vital that we act to improve the lives of those whom we have so much in common with !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is clear that the petit bourgeois of the developing world are having difficulty.
How are they to manage their bank accounts or find the lowest cost maid service?
They live lives that lack basic necessities like online shopping and right-wing blogs!
It is vital that we act to improve the lives of those whom we have so much in common with!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29854833</id>
	<title>Re:Chiming in from Finland</title>
	<author>mgcarley</author>
	<datestamp>1256416140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why do you need a static IP again? And why do you need IPv6? Let's face it: COMMON users don't use that stuff - of course you're going to have to pay extra for it.</p><p>I used to have 24Mbits at home (in Kruununhaka) and 100Mbits at my office (in Pasila, then Kamppi). I never had a problem, and people receiving files from me rarely had speeds sufficient to warrant me needing more upload speed.</p><p>ADSL2+ is limited in upload speed by the technology itself, as is VDSL2 - hardly the providers fault.</p><p>If I got offered a job in Finland (and didn't have to deal with shitty immigration), I'd move back in a heartbeat (I'm THAT desperate for decent Broadband).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why do you need a static IP again ?
And why do you need IPv6 ?
Let 's face it : COMMON users do n't use that stuff - of course you 're going to have to pay extra for it.I used to have 24Mbits at home ( in Kruununhaka ) and 100Mbits at my office ( in Pasila , then Kamppi ) .
I never had a problem , and people receiving files from me rarely had speeds sufficient to warrant me needing more upload speed.ADSL2 + is limited in upload speed by the technology itself , as is VDSL2 - hardly the providers fault.If I got offered a job in Finland ( and did n't have to deal with shitty immigration ) , I 'd move back in a heartbeat ( I 'm THAT desperate for decent Broadband ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why do you need a static IP again?
And why do you need IPv6?
Let's face it: COMMON users don't use that stuff - of course you're going to have to pay extra for it.I used to have 24Mbits at home (in Kruununhaka) and 100Mbits at my office (in Pasila, then Kamppi).
I never had a problem, and people receiving files from me rarely had speeds sufficient to warrant me needing more upload speed.ADSL2+ is limited in upload speed by the technology itself, as is VDSL2 - hardly the providers fault.If I got offered a job in Finland (and didn't have to deal with shitty immigration), I'd move back in a heartbeat (I'm THAT desperate for decent Broadband).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849283</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1256326380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast? That's pretty minimum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast ?
That 's pretty minimum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast?
That's pretty minimum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849065</id>
	<title>Re:Development crippled by what?</title>
	<author>Beeelow</author>
	<datestamp>1256325540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly.  Anyone remember dial-up?  Not too long ago we got along just fine with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Anyone remember dial-up ?
Not too long ago we got along just fine with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Anyone remember dial-up?
Not too long ago we got along just fine with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848711</id>
	<title>Release the blinders...</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1256324340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools.</p></div><p>Online banking and market tools does not need broadband. Also, productivity tools are not the main use of the internet, contrary to what many "industry analysts" would tell you. And lastly, the United States is <i>not</i> a single market. Increasingly large segments of this country have fallen to third-world status, and some of our states, if they were independent countries, would qualify for foreign aid from many countries. Especially those where industry has failed, such as Detroit, MI, or most of the southern states which continue to rely on federal tax dollars to subsidize public works projects because the infrastructure has either degraded or has not been built. Fights over water resources are intensifying in some states, for example.</p><p>The United States' is significantly behind even some so-called "third world" countries because our corporations have exclusive rights to the data pipes and they are placing more and more restrictions on them daily. There is an erroneous assumption that the market will pressure them to upgrade, or that it's lagging because of a recession, or regulatory costs, etc. Those things might even be true, but they are not the main reason broadband access in the United States is so pitiful: It's because of exclusive contracts with the municipalities and a very few large companies that own those licenses. With no competition, there has never been an incentive to invest in an upgrade. Therefore, while other countries enjoy a competitive atmosphere, the United States does not. We are being outpaced by countries which have state-owned utilities -- China, for example, has a significantly more advanced cell phone network than the United States, and its citizens pay less on average. It is a profit center for the government and upgrades are routinely planned and executed there.</p><p>Simply put, in the United States, broadband has stalled because we've combined all the problems with capitalism (monopolies, boom-bust cycles, etc.) with a state-owned system (slow/no growth, not cost effective). Since the dot com bubble burst, no new investment has been made in infrastructure. Some people on so-called "broadband" connections have been so rate-limited or bandwidth-limited that in some cases dialup or satellite provides a more attractive alternative by price-point.</p></div>
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<tokenext>But if you live in the developing world , a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim .
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools.Online banking and market tools does not need broadband .
Also , productivity tools are not the main use of the internet , contrary to what many " industry analysts " would tell you .
And lastly , the United States is not a single market .
Increasingly large segments of this country have fallen to third-world status , and some of our states , if they were independent countries , would qualify for foreign aid from many countries .
Especially those where industry has failed , such as Detroit , MI , or most of the southern states which continue to rely on federal tax dollars to subsidize public works projects because the infrastructure has either degraded or has not been built .
Fights over water resources are intensifying in some states , for example.The United States ' is significantly behind even some so-called " third world " countries because our corporations have exclusive rights to the data pipes and they are placing more and more restrictions on them daily .
There is an erroneous assumption that the market will pressure them to upgrade , or that it 's lagging because of a recession , or regulatory costs , etc .
Those things might even be true , but they are not the main reason broadband access in the United States is so pitiful : It 's because of exclusive contracts with the municipalities and a very few large companies that own those licenses .
With no competition , there has never been an incentive to invest in an upgrade .
Therefore , while other countries enjoy a competitive atmosphere , the United States does not .
We are being outpaced by countries which have state-owned utilities -- China , for example , has a significantly more advanced cell phone network than the United States , and its citizens pay less on average .
It is a profit center for the government and upgrades are routinely planned and executed there.Simply put , in the United States , broadband has stalled because we 've combined all the problems with capitalism ( monopolies , boom-bust cycles , etc .
) with a state-owned system ( slow/no growth , not cost effective ) .
Since the dot com bubble burst , no new investment has been made in infrastructure .
Some people on so-called " broadband " connections have been so rate-limited or bandwidth-limited that in some cases dialup or satellite provides a more attractive alternative by price-point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim.
Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools.Online banking and market tools does not need broadband.
Also, productivity tools are not the main use of the internet, contrary to what many "industry analysts" would tell you.
And lastly, the United States is not a single market.
Increasingly large segments of this country have fallen to third-world status, and some of our states, if they were independent countries, would qualify for foreign aid from many countries.
Especially those where industry has failed, such as Detroit, MI, or most of the southern states which continue to rely on federal tax dollars to subsidize public works projects because the infrastructure has either degraded or has not been built.
Fights over water resources are intensifying in some states, for example.The United States' is significantly behind even some so-called "third world" countries because our corporations have exclusive rights to the data pipes and they are placing more and more restrictions on them daily.
There is an erroneous assumption that the market will pressure them to upgrade, or that it's lagging because of a recession, or regulatory costs, etc.
Those things might even be true, but they are not the main reason broadband access in the United States is so pitiful: It's because of exclusive contracts with the municipalities and a very few large companies that own those licenses.
With no competition, there has never been an incentive to invest in an upgrade.
Therefore, while other countries enjoy a competitive atmosphere, the United States does not.
We are being outpaced by countries which have state-owned utilities -- China, for example, has a significantly more advanced cell phone network than the United States, and its citizens pay less on average.
It is a profit center for the government and upgrades are routinely planned and executed there.Simply put, in the United States, broadband has stalled because we've combined all the problems with capitalism (monopolies, boom-bust cycles, etc.
) with a state-owned system (slow/no growth, not cost effective).
Since the dot com bubble burst, no new investment has been made in infrastructure.
Some people on so-called "broadband" connections have been so rate-limited or bandwidth-limited that in some cases dialup or satellite provides a more attractive alternative by price-point.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853825</id>
	<title>Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1256312040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having access to credit is an incredibly powerful tool.  I couldn't have gotten through school without credit.  I got a loan online to pay for college.   If I was starting a business, opening a line of credit would be a very high priority in my business plan.    Microlending is being recognized as a significant opportunity to fight poverty.</p><p>While we often use the internet for youtube and forums there is an incredible wealth of knowledge on the internet.  I learned more about my profession from the internet than in college.   I found the internet more educational than college, while in college.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having access to credit is an incredibly powerful tool .
I could n't have gotten through school without credit .
I got a loan online to pay for college .
If I was starting a business , opening a line of credit would be a very high priority in my business plan .
Microlending is being recognized as a significant opportunity to fight poverty.While we often use the internet for youtube and forums there is an incredible wealth of knowledge on the internet .
I learned more about my profession from the internet than in college .
I found the internet more educational than college , while in college .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having access to credit is an incredibly powerful tool.
I couldn't have gotten through school without credit.
I got a loan online to pay for college.
If I was starting a business, opening a line of credit would be a very high priority in my business plan.
Microlending is being recognized as a significant opportunity to fight poverty.While we often use the internet for youtube and forums there is an incredible wealth of knowledge on the internet.
I learned more about my profession from the internet than in college.
I found the internet more educational than college, while in college.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848593</id>
	<title>your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.</p><p>INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.<br>You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.</p><p>CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER<br>Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat</p><p>HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.</p><p>FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.</p><p>MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.<br>Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger !
If handled properly , your apeman will give years of valuable , if reluctant , service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model .
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration , i.e .
chained together .
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it , and do n't even think about taking that chain off , ever .
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them .
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud .
House niggers work best as standalone units , but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape .
At this stage , your nigger can also be given a name .
Most owners use the same names over and over , since niggers become confused by too much data .
Rufus , Rastus , Remus , Toby , Carslisle , Carlton , Hey-You ! -Yes-you ! , Yeller , Blackstar , and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger .
If your nigger is a ho , it should be called Latrelle , L'Tanya , or Jemima .
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke .
Pearl , Blossom , and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes .
These names go straight over your nigger 's head , by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error , your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords .
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - " muh dick " being the most popular .
However , others make barking , yelping , yapping noises and appear to be in some pain , so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger 's tongue .
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least , you wo n't hear it complaining anywhere near as much .
Niggers have nothing interesting to say , anyway .
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons ( yours , mine , and that of women , not the nigger 's ) .
This is strongly recommended , and frankly , it 's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars .
Make sure , however , that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through .
The rule of thumb is , four niggers per square yard of cage .
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers .
You can site a nigger cage anywhere , even on soft ground .
Do n't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage .
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they 're not about to now .
In any case , your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape .
As long as the free food holds out , your nigger is living better than it did in Africa , so it will stay put .
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage , as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken , corn bread , and watermelon .
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly does n't deserve it .
Instead , feed it on porridge with salt , and creek water .
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields , other niggers , etc .
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat , but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day .
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer , since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives .
He reports he does n't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result .
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work , since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained .
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton .
You really would .
Coffee beans ?
Do n't ask .
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very , very averse to work of any kind .
The nigger 's most</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger!
If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model.
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e.
chained together.
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever.
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them.
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud.
House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape.
At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name.
Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data.
Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger.
If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima.
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke.
Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes.
These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords.
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular.
However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue.
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much.
Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway.
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's).
This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars.
Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through.
The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage.
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers.
You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground.
Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage.
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now.
In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape.
As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put.
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon.
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it.
Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water.
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc.
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day.
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives.
He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result.
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained.
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton.
You really would.
Coffee beans?
Don't ask.
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind.
The nigger's most</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849273</id>
	<title>How about paved roads</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256326380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure the capital city of Burkina Faso (you ARE aware of that country, right?) <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&amp;q=burkina+faso&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;safe=images&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Burkina+Faso&amp;ll=12.366832,-1.530662&amp;spn=0.033745,0.038581&amp;t=h&amp;z=15" title="google.com">largely lacks paved roads</a> [google.com] for reasons other than lack of broadband internet.</p><p>Yes, the fast flow of free/cheap/vast information is helpful. Remember: it's a luxury, not a human right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure the capital city of Burkina Faso ( you ARE aware of that country , right ?
) largely lacks paved roads [ google.com ] for reasons other than lack of broadband internet.Yes , the fast flow of free/cheap/vast information is helpful .
Remember : it 's a luxury , not a human right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure the capital city of Burkina Faso (you ARE aware of that country, right?
) largely lacks paved roads [google.com] for reasons other than lack of broadband internet.Yes, the fast flow of free/cheap/vast information is helpful.
Remember: it's a luxury, not a human right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29851147</id>
	<title>Re:Chiming in from Finland</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1256290260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This situation you describe is the same as in the US, except for the part about pervasive broadband.  We don't have that.  Certainly isn't a "right".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This situation you describe is the same as in the US , except for the part about pervasive broadband .
We do n't have that .
Certainly is n't a " right " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This situation you describe is the same as in the US, except for the part about pervasive broadband.
We don't have that.
Certainly isn't a "right".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849105</id>
	<title>Well welcome to the monkey house...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mebbe we should introduce some type of cap &amp; trade bullshit so that we can raise the broadband capabilities of the "developing nations" while handicapping the developed nations. That would only be fair. In fact, I volunteer to be the Handicapper General.</p><p>- Harrison Bergeron</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mebbe we should introduce some type of cap &amp; trade bullshit so that we can raise the broadband capabilities of the " developing nations " while handicapping the developed nations .
That would only be fair .
In fact , I volunteer to be the Handicapper General.- Harrison Bergeron</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mebbe we should introduce some type of cap &amp; trade bullshit so that we can raise the broadband capabilities of the "developing nations" while handicapping the developed nations.
That would only be fair.
In fact, I volunteer to be the Handicapper General.- Harrison Bergeron</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29853105</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256303460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a software company that sells highly specialized software. One of our customer is in Egypt. They have the best LAN we've ever seen. All fiberoptics. Cheaper than ordering many times what you need of CAT5. Apparently they can't even trust their *sysadmins* not to pinch the stuff...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a software company that sells highly specialized software .
One of our customer is in Egypt .
They have the best LAN we 've ever seen .
All fiberoptics .
Cheaper than ordering many times what you need of CAT5 .
Apparently they ca n't even trust their * sysadmins * not to pinch the stuff.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a software company that sells highly specialized software.
One of our customer is in Egypt.
They have the best LAN we've ever seen.
All fiberoptics.
Cheaper than ordering many times what you need of CAT5.
Apparently they can't even trust their *sysadmins* not to pinch the stuff...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849563</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29850529</id>
	<title>Re:Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1256331180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just a minor point, but wouldn't it be better in the long term to put in data lines (fiber or copper) at the same time as the other utilities? If you're putting in water and sewage pipes or hanging power lines, shouldn't it cost nearly nothing extra to also install a couple fiber lines while you're already there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a minor point , but would n't it be better in the long term to put in data lines ( fiber or copper ) at the same time as the other utilities ?
If you 're putting in water and sewage pipes or hanging power lines , should n't it cost nearly nothing extra to also install a couple fiber lines while you 're already there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a minor point, but wouldn't it be better in the long term to put in data lines (fiber or copper) at the same time as the other utilities?
If you're putting in water and sewage pipes or hanging power lines, shouldn't it cost nearly nothing extra to also install a couple fiber lines while you're already there?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848907</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848495</id>
	<title>How wide is it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256323740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Monty Wideanus's anus is soooo wide that even when 15 blue whale penises are stuck in his ass he doesn't feel them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Monty Wideanus 's anus is soooo wide that even when 15 blue whale penises are stuck in his ass he does n't feel them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monty Wideanus's anus is soooo wide that even when 15 blue whale penises are stuck in his ass he doesn't feel them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29849349</id>
	<title>Re:Heres the thing...</title>
	<author>kingduct</author>
	<datestamp>1256326620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Latin America is majority urban, and most people in rural areas still are relatively close to cities. The remote areas, such as the Amazon, have the lowest population density. Your statement just isn't true, at least in that region.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Latin America is majority urban , and most people in rural areas still are relatively close to cities .
The remote areas , such as the Amazon , have the lowest population density .
Your statement just is n't true , at least in that region .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Latin America is majority urban, and most people in rural areas still are relatively close to cities.
The remote areas, such as the Amazon, have the lowest population density.
Your statement just isn't true, at least in that region.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848553</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29852963</id>
	<title>Re:This is undertandable...</title>
	<author>grokcode</author>
	<datestamp>1256302020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This doesn't have anything to do with getting broadband access. If the electrical company (assuming you have electricity) can find you to hook you up, why wouldn't the broadband company be able to do the same?</p><p>My "address" translated to English is "100 meters north and 50 meters west of Bar Renur" or I could use any other variation that allows people to find me based on landmarks they are likely to know: "400 meters north and 50 meters west of the town center."  And yes I have broadband.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't have anything to do with getting broadband access .
If the electrical company ( assuming you have electricity ) can find you to hook you up , why would n't the broadband company be able to do the same ? My " address " translated to English is " 100 meters north and 50 meters west of Bar Renur " or I could use any other variation that allows people to find me based on landmarks they are likely to know : " 400 meters north and 50 meters west of the town center .
" And yes I have broadband .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't have anything to do with getting broadband access.
If the electrical company (assuming you have electricity) can find you to hook you up, why wouldn't the broadband company be able to do the same?My "address" translated to English is "100 meters north and 50 meters west of Bar Renur" or I could use any other variation that allows people to find me based on landmarks they are likely to know: "400 meters north and 50 meters west of the town center.
"  And yes I have broadband.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848679</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_23_1552237.29848907</id>
	<title>Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is news?  Basic transport is a more important aspect to everyday life in these places.  They are not going to have well-planned highway systems or electrical grids.  And you want broadband?  Build roads, water pipelines, sewer systems and power lines first.  Then you can focus on broadband.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is news ?
Basic transport is a more important aspect to everyday life in these places .
They are not going to have well-planned highway systems or electrical grids .
And you want broadband ?
Build roads , water pipelines , sewer systems and power lines first .
Then you can focus on broadband .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is news?
Basic transport is a more important aspect to everyday life in these places.
They are not going to have well-planned highway systems or electrical grids.
And you want broadband?
Build roads, water pipelines, sewer systems and power lines first.
Then you can focus on broadband.</sentencetext>
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