<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_22_1841217</id>
	<title>Court Orders the Pirate Bay To Delete Torrents</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256237400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>lbalbalba writes <i>"A Dutch court ruled today that The Pirate Bay <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-ordered-to-delete-torrents-091022/">has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works</a>. The list is to be provided by BREIN (similair to the RIAA, in Holland), and is similar to the earlier ruling against Mininova. The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>lbalbalba writes " A Dutch court ruled today that The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works .
The list is to be provided by BREIN ( similair to the RIAA , in Holland ) , and is similar to the earlier ruling against Mininova .
The defendants are given three months to comply , if not , they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ( $ 7,500 ) per person , per day .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lbalbalba writes "A Dutch court ruled today that The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works.
The list is to be provided by BREIN (similair to the RIAA, in Holland), and is similar to the earlier ruling against Mininova.
The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840365</id>
	<title>Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256207220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will arrest you for contempt, or refusing to pay.  So if you don't mind going to jail, and being the best martyr eva, don't pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will arrest you for contempt , or refusing to pay .
So if you do n't mind going to jail , and being the best martyr eva , do n't pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will arrest you for contempt, or refusing to pay.
So if you don't mind going to jail, and being the best martyr eva, don't pay.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838695</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking at the amount of corruption in the Seychelles, it can guaranty that the Dutch government must be involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the amount of corruption in the Seychelles , it can guaranty that the Dutch government must be involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the amount of corruption in the Seychelles, it can guaranty that the Dutch government must be involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839481</id>
	<title>They can turn this into an opportunity!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256202420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't RTFA, but that seems like a great deal to me.  Assuming the penalties don't scale or result in arrest, and assuming the Bay cuts its official staff to one person, that's a $2.7 million per year license to distribute unlimited copies of all copyrighted works in existence.  I bet that's a lot less than Apple or other content providers pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't RTFA , but that seems like a great deal to me .
Assuming the penalties do n't scale or result in arrest , and assuming the Bay cuts its official staff to one person , that 's a $ 2.7 million per year license to distribute unlimited copies of all copyrighted works in existence .
I bet that 's a lot less than Apple or other content providers pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't RTFA, but that seems like a great deal to me.
Assuming the penalties don't scale or result in arrest, and assuming the Bay cuts its official staff to one person, that's a $2.7 million per year license to distribute unlimited copies of all copyrighted works in existence.
I bet that's a lot less than Apple or other content providers pay.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839681</id>
	<title>Re:Hurrr</title>
	<author>Kozz</author>
	<datestamp>1256203560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the occasions when I need to find something via BitTorrent that I'm not certain I can find anywhere else, I will check this bookmark:<br><a href="http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/f/torrentsearch.htm" title="about.com">http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/f/torrentsearch.htm</a> [about.com] </p><p>I can't keep up with which torrent sites are up, down, removed or what.  This page usually gives me a fighting chance of finding a functional torrent-related site with the *cough* information I need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the occasions when I need to find something via BitTorrent that I 'm not certain I can find anywhere else , I will check this bookmark : http : //netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/f/torrentsearch.htm [ about.com ] I ca n't keep up with which torrent sites are up , down , removed or what .
This page usually gives me a fighting chance of finding a functional torrent-related site with the * cough * information I need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the occasions when I need to find something via BitTorrent that I'm not certain I can find anywhere else, I will check this bookmark:http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/peersharing/f/torrentsearch.htm [about.com] I can't keep up with which torrent sites are up, down, removed or what.
This page usually gives me a fighting chance of finding a functional torrent-related site with the *cough* information I need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839435</id>
	<title>what the internet needs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256202120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've said this many times but I'll repeat once again, this general purpose net connection stack tcp/ip has to go. In its place a large defined set of protocols can allow broadcast style networking for the internet savvy consumer, and if Microsoft had the lead in engineering this, you can be sure that most computers would be compatible, and Microsoft could also sell "Microsoft Gateway" products to let Apple participate.</p><p>This set of protocols could allow trusted machines to receive properly licensed and authorized content but still filter out other less useful but more dangerous content/extentions like exe's, zips, tar.gz's, bz2, py, and iso's, and additionally any encrypted content, and the major webserver venders would have to outlaw application/octet mime types to regain control of the internet-turned-piracy haven that the thieves like warez groups and gnu have perverted, not to mention all the pornography and child molesting an open internet produces.</p><p>Its time to make the net safe again for our families and businesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've said this many times but I 'll repeat once again , this general purpose net connection stack tcp/ip has to go .
In its place a large defined set of protocols can allow broadcast style networking for the internet savvy consumer , and if Microsoft had the lead in engineering this , you can be sure that most computers would be compatible , and Microsoft could also sell " Microsoft Gateway " products to let Apple participate.This set of protocols could allow trusted machines to receive properly licensed and authorized content but still filter out other less useful but more dangerous content/extentions like exe 's , zips , tar.gz 's , bz2 , py , and iso 's , and additionally any encrypted content , and the major webserver venders would have to outlaw application/octet mime types to regain control of the internet-turned-piracy haven that the thieves like warez groups and gnu have perverted , not to mention all the pornography and child molesting an open internet produces.Its time to make the net safe again for our families and businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've said this many times but I'll repeat once again, this general purpose net connection stack tcp/ip has to go.
In its place a large defined set of protocols can allow broadcast style networking for the internet savvy consumer, and if Microsoft had the lead in engineering this, you can be sure that most computers would be compatible, and Microsoft could also sell "Microsoft Gateway" products to let Apple participate.This set of protocols could allow trusted machines to receive properly licensed and authorized content but still filter out other less useful but more dangerous content/extentions like exe's, zips, tar.gz's, bz2, py, and iso's, and additionally any encrypted content, and the major webserver venders would have to outlaw application/octet mime types to regain control of the internet-turned-piracy haven that the thieves like warez groups and gnu have perverted, not to mention all the pornography and child molesting an open internet produces.Its time to make the net safe again for our families and businesses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842337</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256225280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be. It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else, the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once, seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once.</p> </div><p>This seems to be their new modus operandi. See: ACTA</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be .
It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else , the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once , seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once .
This seems to be their new modus operandi .
See : ACTA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.
It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else, the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once, seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once.
This seems to be their new modus operandi.
See: ACTA
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840205</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1256206380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tb| HE |'|PAB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tb | HE | ' | PAB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tb| HE |'|PAB</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839793</id>
	<title>And In Other News</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1256204160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in other news, King Canute has reportedly just tried to stop the tide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in other news , King Canute has reportedly just tried to stop the tide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in other news, King Canute has reportedly just tried to stop the tide.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839501</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>lenehey</author>
	<datestamp>1256202540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose laws are "just pretend" to you as well.  So the law that says you can't speed should be unenforceable because your car is clearly capable of speeding.  The law that says you can't undress in public should be unenforceable because your clothes are clearly designed to be removable.  Opium, Cocaine, Cannabis, etc. being plants or derived from plants are "infinitely reproduceable" (just plant the seeds to grow more), therefore why should it have any value?  The very idea that something so easy to do should be considered illegal, and therefore be made valuable is preposterous in your world view, but your world view is not really connected to reality, is it?  </p><p>Just because you can easily reproduce information does not mean you should have the right to so so.  Once you take away the right to reproduce the data, your entire argument collapses like the house of cards it is.  Because, while information may be infinitely reproducable, does not make it valueless when the copies are illegal.  In addition, many people feel that the creator of the work should be compensated, not the Comcasts and AT&amp;Ts of the world that merely provide the medium for distribution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose laws are " just pretend " to you as well .
So the law that says you ca n't speed should be unenforceable because your car is clearly capable of speeding .
The law that says you ca n't undress in public should be unenforceable because your clothes are clearly designed to be removable .
Opium , Cocaine , Cannabis , etc .
being plants or derived from plants are " infinitely reproduceable " ( just plant the seeds to grow more ) , therefore why should it have any value ?
The very idea that something so easy to do should be considered illegal , and therefore be made valuable is preposterous in your world view , but your world view is not really connected to reality , is it ?
Just because you can easily reproduce information does not mean you should have the right to so so .
Once you take away the right to reproduce the data , your entire argument collapses like the house of cards it is .
Because , while information may be infinitely reproducable , does not make it valueless when the copies are illegal .
In addition , many people feel that the creator of the work should be compensated , not the Comcasts and AT&amp;Ts of the world that merely provide the medium for distribution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose laws are "just pretend" to you as well.
So the law that says you can't speed should be unenforceable because your car is clearly capable of speeding.
The law that says you can't undress in public should be unenforceable because your clothes are clearly designed to be removable.
Opium, Cocaine, Cannabis, etc.
being plants or derived from plants are "infinitely reproduceable" (just plant the seeds to grow more), therefore why should it have any value?
The very idea that something so easy to do should be considered illegal, and therefore be made valuable is preposterous in your world view, but your world view is not really connected to reality, is it?
Just because you can easily reproduce information does not mean you should have the right to so so.
Once you take away the right to reproduce the data, your entire argument collapses like the house of cards it is.
Because, while information may be infinitely reproducable, does not make it valueless when the copies are illegal.
In addition, many people feel that the creator of the work should be compensated, not the Comcasts and AT&amp;Ts of the world that merely provide the medium for distribution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843413</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>iJusten</author>
	<datestamp>1256329680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi, but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject.
<br> <br>Who did you vote?</htmltext>
<tokenext>EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi , but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject .
Who did you vote ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi, but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject.
Who did you vote?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839631</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838965</id>
	<title>I guess...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256242860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess they'll be ordering Google to stop allowing searches next, followed by Yahoo, followed by...followed by. When will these idiots ever discover a clue?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess they 'll be ordering Google to stop allowing searches next , followed by Yahoo , followed by...followed by .
When will these idiots ever discover a clue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess they'll be ordering Google to stop allowing searches next, followed by Yahoo, followed by...followed by.
When will these idiots ever discover a clue?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839819</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Imrik</author>
	<datestamp>1256204280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about if they get try to get ahead of things and instead say "Users may NOT download from this site."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about if they get try to get ahead of things and instead say " Users may NOT download from this site .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about if they get try to get ahead of things and instead say "Users may NOT download from this site.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842603</id>
	<title>Abandon Ship</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256228820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What.cd</htmltext>
<tokenext>What.cd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What.cd</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839515</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256202660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OH MY GOD SPEED CAMERAS HOW COULD THEY NO FREE COUNTRY HAS SPEED CAMERAS</p><p>Boo fucking hoo sob sob cry cry. Pay the fine you numb prick and next time you're in Switzerland perhaps don't bother driving above the speed limit so much. They get a bit narky about that.</p><p>Who the fuck modded this shit "Informative"? "Moronic" would be better but lacking that "Off-topic" might be OK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OH MY GOD SPEED CAMERAS HOW COULD THEY NO FREE COUNTRY HAS SPEED CAMERASBoo fucking hoo sob sob cry cry .
Pay the fine you numb prick and next time you 're in Switzerland perhaps do n't bother driving above the speed limit so much .
They get a bit narky about that.Who the fuck modded this shit " Informative " ?
" Moronic " would be better but lacking that " Off-topic " might be OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OH MY GOD SPEED CAMERAS HOW COULD THEY NO FREE COUNTRY HAS SPEED CAMERASBoo fucking hoo sob sob cry cry.
Pay the fine you numb prick and next time you're in Switzerland perhaps don't bother driving above the speed limit so much.
They get a bit narky about that.Who the fuck modded this shit "Informative"?
"Moronic" would be better but lacking that "Off-topic" might be OK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838991</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839127</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interestingly, russians cant even write to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. as slashdot's UTF-8 fails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly , russians cant even write to / .
as slashdot 's UTF-8 fails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly, russians cant even write to /.
as slashdot's UTF-8 fails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839401</id>
	<title>Delete and Block - a conflicted ruling</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1256245140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to note... the lawyer for TPB, Ernst-Jan Louwers, has already pointed out that the ruling is a bit conflicting, noting that the torrents must be removed and -remain- removed AND that Dutch citizens should not be allowed access. ( so which is it.. block, or delete?  if they're deleted, they can't be blocked.  If they're blocked, why still delete them?   )</p><p>Furthermore, but this is not noted by TPB lawyer, as the ruling should only pertain to NL, deleting torrents would not fit in with the jurisdiction.<br>This was noted by another laywer, Arnoud Engelfriet, but I'll stress here that I do not think he was acting -as a lawyer giving legal advice- when he made that statement.  Though NL doesn't have the crazy "IANAL! IANAL!!!" bullcrap going on (yet).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to note... the lawyer for TPB , Ernst-Jan Louwers , has already pointed out that the ruling is a bit conflicting , noting that the torrents must be removed and -remain- removed AND that Dutch citizens should not be allowed access .
( so which is it.. block , or delete ?
if they 're deleted , they ca n't be blocked .
If they 're blocked , why still delete them ?
) Furthermore , but this is not noted by TPB lawyer , as the ruling should only pertain to NL , deleting torrents would not fit in with the jurisdiction.This was noted by another laywer , Arnoud Engelfriet , but I 'll stress here that I do not think he was acting -as a lawyer giving legal advice- when he made that statement .
Though NL does n't have the crazy " IANAL !
IANAL ! ! ! " bullcrap going on ( yet ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to note... the lawyer for TPB, Ernst-Jan Louwers, has already pointed out that the ruling is a bit conflicting, noting that the torrents must be removed and -remain- removed AND that Dutch citizens should not be allowed access.
( so which is it.. block, or delete?
if they're deleted, they can't be blocked.
If they're blocked, why still delete them?
)Furthermore, but this is not noted by TPB lawyer, as the ruling should only pertain to NL, deleting torrents would not fit in with the jurisdiction.This was noted by another laywer, Arnoud Engelfriet, but I'll stress here that I do not think he was acting -as a lawyer giving legal advice- when he made that statement.
Though NL doesn't have the crazy "IANAL!
IANAL!!!" bullcrap going on (yet).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839205</id>
	<title>Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren</title>
	<author>megamerican</author>
	<datestamp>1256244180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can imagine it now: A torrent of torrent of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can imagine it now : A torrent of torrent of .torrent files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can imagine it now: A torrent of torrent of .torrent files.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838837</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839597</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256203020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>technically copying isn't infinitely reproducible as you can only copy up to the total number of electrons in the universe multiplied by the number of quantum states each electron can be in that can record data.</p><p>So before you copy that floppy, think of the electrons!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>technically copying is n't infinitely reproducible as you can only copy up to the total number of electrons in the universe multiplied by the number of quantum states each electron can be in that can record data.So before you copy that floppy , think of the electrons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>technically copying isn't infinitely reproducible as you can only copy up to the total number of electrons in the universe multiplied by the number of quantum states each electron can be in that can record data.So before you copy that floppy, think of the electrons!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843961</id>
	<title>n0032</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256296020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>toRenTz iS 4 nOObZ</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>toRenTz iS 4 nOObZ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>toRenTz iS 4 nOObZ</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839537</id>
	<title>Re:hits you on head with cold dry baguette</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1256202720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you forgot to sign "Nicolas" which is the most funny part<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>you forgot to sign " Nicolas " which is the most funny part : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you forgot to sign "Nicolas" which is the most funny part :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843665</id>
	<title>Re:Holland and the Netherlands</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1256291100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually common usage outside Nederland (the proper name in dutch) is that Holland = The Netherlands. This is despite the fact that Holland is basically the area defined by the Noord-Holland (North-Holland) and Zuid-Holland (South Holland) regions in Nederland.</p><p>Disclaimer: IANDBIUTLT (I am not Dutch but I used to live there)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually common usage outside Nederland ( the proper name in dutch ) is that Holland = The Netherlands .
This is despite the fact that Holland is basically the area defined by the Noord-Holland ( North-Holland ) and Zuid-Holland ( South Holland ) regions in Nederland.Disclaimer : IANDBIUTLT ( I am not Dutch but I used to live there )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually common usage outside Nederland (the proper name in dutch) is that Holland = The Netherlands.
This is despite the fact that Holland is basically the area defined by the Noord-Holland (North-Holland) and Zuid-Holland (South Holland) regions in Nederland.Disclaimer: IANDBIUTLT (I am not Dutch but I used to live there)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839117</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tabarnac t'as 2 jours pour deleter ca sinon on t'p&#232;te la yeule caliss!<br>-ADISQ</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tabarnac t'as 2 jours pour deleter ca sinon on t'p   te la yeule caliss ! -ADISQ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tabarnac t'as 2 jours pour deleter ca sinon on t'pète la yeule caliss!-ADISQ</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839631</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256203140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.</p><p>It never was meant to be just an economic union, the economic union was just a mean to an end. Just read the Schuman Declaration.<br>The economic union was a mean to an end: To craft a political union, which would render war in Europe impossible.</p><p>&gt; Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.</p><p>Berlusconi is subject to Italian law. <em>Should</em> he not prosecuted, it would hardly an argument against the overreaching powers of the European Union.<br>Besides, his immunity has been <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/sivlio-berlusconi-immunity-law-overturned" title="guardian.co.uk">overturned</a> [guardian.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.It never was meant to be just an economic union , the economic union was just a mean to an end .
Just read the Schuman Declaration.The economic union was a mean to an end : To craft a political union , which would render war in Europe impossible. &gt; Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.Berlusconi is subject to Italian law .
Should he not prosecuted , it would hardly an argument against the overreaching powers of the European Union.Besides , his immunity has been overturned [ guardian.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.It never was meant to be just an economic union, the economic union was just a mean to an end.
Just read the Schuman Declaration.The economic union was a mean to an end: To craft a political union, which would render war in Europe impossible.&gt; Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.Berlusconi is subject to Italian law.
Should he not prosecuted, it would hardly an argument against the overreaching powers of the European Union.Besides, his immunity has been overturned [guardian.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840233</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1256206500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My percents go up to 400 you insensitive clod!<br>
<br>
OK, mixing Spinal Tap and Slashdot memes = Epic Fail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My percents go up to 400 you insensitive clod !
OK , mixing Spinal Tap and Slashdot memes = Epic Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My percents go up to 400 you insensitive clod!
OK, mixing Spinal Tap and Slashdot memes = Epic Fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840387</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1256207340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.</i> </p><p>"Meant to be?"</p><p>The desire for a meaningful European political union can be traced back to the fall of the western Roman empire.</p><p>It is arguably the one great accomplishment of European diplomacy in the twentieth century - and it took two world wars to get there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be .
" Meant to be ?
" The desire for a meaningful European political union can be traced back to the fall of the western Roman empire.It is arguably the one great accomplishment of European diplomacy in the twentieth century - and it took two world wars to get there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.
"Meant to be?
"The desire for a meaningful European political union can be traced back to the fall of the western Roman empire.It is arguably the one great accomplishment of European diplomacy in the twentieth century - and it took two world wars to get there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839667</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1256203380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous</p></div></blockquote><p>value of (something infinitely reproducible) = $0.00<br>gotcha.</p><blockquote><div><p>We are willing to pay for the services rendered, but your prices are ridiculous.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, we know, you think the prices should be $0.00</p><p>Wait, no, that's not what you're saying.  I know, I know.  But let's say they make a movie... the cost of their services to make that movie.. let's put them at $100.  Cheapest damn movie evar.. won't even play in theaters, commercial distribution alone would be more than that, but for sake of fun arguments we'll use $100 instead of the $100,000,0000 that some movies supposedly cost to make.</p><p>Now normally, a movie DVD on release might be.. what.. $15 in the states?  $2.99 in a bargain bin?</p><p>But you've already demonstrated that their prices "are ridiculous".  So if you find $2.99 ridiculous, then how do they get you to pay the $100 for their services?</p><p>Let's face it.  You wouldn't.  You'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $100 for their services, and then get the $0.00 copy from there.  But that somebody sure ain't you.</p><p>This is the the chicken and egg problem that pops up every time when somebody suggests that people are more than happy to pay for services (e.g. pay a singer to sing for them) but not for their infinitely reproducible products (e.g. a CD), because the former is practically always more expensive than the latter.</p><p>Now some of us *might* in fact pay for a private session.. but I think they would tend to be the rich and wealthy, and not the average man.</p><p>I'm not saying many of these products aren't quite ridiculously priced (hence my mention of the bargain bin... I'll take the same movie for 1/5th of the price at the penalty of having to wait a few weeks, thanks), but pricing everything at $0.00 because "$N/infinity = $0.00 by limit" is way at the end of the reasonable spectrum there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterousvalue of ( something infinitely reproducible ) = $ 0.00gotcha.We are willing to pay for the services rendered , but your prices are ridiculous.Yes , we know , you think the prices should be $ 0.00Wait , no , that 's not what you 're saying .
I know , I know .
But let 's say they make a movie... the cost of their services to make that movie.. let 's put them at $ 100 .
Cheapest damn movie evar.. wo n't even play in theaters , commercial distribution alone would be more than that , but for sake of fun arguments we 'll use $ 100 instead of the $ 100,000,0000 that some movies supposedly cost to make.Now normally , a movie DVD on release might be.. what.. $ 15 in the states ?
$ 2.99 in a bargain bin ? But you 've already demonstrated that their prices " are ridiculous " .
So if you find $ 2.99 ridiculous , then how do they get you to pay the $ 100 for their services ? Let 's face it .
You would n't .
You 'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $ 100 for their services , and then get the $ 0.00 copy from there .
But that somebody sure ai n't you.This is the the chicken and egg problem that pops up every time when somebody suggests that people are more than happy to pay for services ( e.g .
pay a singer to sing for them ) but not for their infinitely reproducible products ( e.g .
a CD ) , because the former is practically always more expensive than the latter.Now some of us * might * in fact pay for a private session.. but I think they would tend to be the rich and wealthy , and not the average man.I 'm not saying many of these products are n't quite ridiculously priced ( hence my mention of the bargain bin... I 'll take the same movie for 1/5th of the price at the penalty of having to wait a few weeks , thanks ) , but pricing everything at $ 0.00 because " $ N/infinity = $ 0.00 by limit " is way at the end of the reasonable spectrum there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterousvalue of (something infinitely reproducible) = $0.00gotcha.We are willing to pay for the services rendered, but your prices are ridiculous.Yes, we know, you think the prices should be $0.00Wait, no, that's not what you're saying.
I know, I know.
But let's say they make a movie... the cost of their services to make that movie.. let's put them at $100.
Cheapest damn movie evar.. won't even play in theaters, commercial distribution alone would be more than that, but for sake of fun arguments we'll use $100 instead of the $100,000,0000 that some movies supposedly cost to make.Now normally, a movie DVD on release might be.. what.. $15 in the states?
$2.99 in a bargain bin?But you've already demonstrated that their prices "are ridiculous".
So if you find $2.99 ridiculous, then how do they get you to pay the $100 for their services?Let's face it.
You wouldn't.
You'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $100 for their services, and then get the $0.00 copy from there.
But that somebody sure ain't you.This is the the chicken and egg problem that pops up every time when somebody suggests that people are more than happy to pay for services (e.g.
pay a singer to sing for them) but not for their infinitely reproducible products (e.g.
a CD), because the former is practically always more expensive than the latter.Now some of us *might* in fact pay for a private session.. but I think they would tend to be the rich and wealthy, and not the average man.I'm not saying many of these products aren't quite ridiculously priced (hence my mention of the bargain bin... I'll take the same movie for 1/5th of the price at the penalty of having to wait a few weeks, thanks), but pricing everything at $0.00 because "$N/infinity = $0.00 by limit" is way at the end of the reasonable spectrum there.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839349</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1256244900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but knowing the Dutch, a note like that will actually work.  As long as it doesn't involve bicycles they pretty much obey the rules....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but knowing the Dutch , a note like that will actually work .
As long as it does n't involve bicycles they pretty much obey the rules... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but knowing the Dutch, a note like that will actually work.
As long as it doesn't involve bicycles they pretty much obey the rules....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841897</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256219160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's face it. You wouldn't. You'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $100 for their services, and then get the $0.00 copy from there. But that somebody sure ain't you.</p></div><p>What's wrong with that?</p><p>The creator gets paid $100, which he considers a fair price.</p><p>The person paying the $100 gets a good deal, since otherwise he wouldn't have paid it. He feels strongly enough about this work being created that he's willing to put his own money up.</p><p>The person who waits and gets a copy for free gets to enjoy the work. He doesn't pay any money, but he "pays" by taking the risk that the work won't be made at all. He doesn't feel strongly enough about it to put up his own money, so that risk is acceptable to him.</p><p>So... where's the problem?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's face it .
You would n't .
You 'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $ 100 for their services , and then get the $ 0.00 copy from there .
But that somebody sure ai n't you.What 's wrong with that ? The creator gets paid $ 100 , which he considers a fair price.The person paying the $ 100 gets a good deal , since otherwise he would n't have paid it .
He feels strongly enough about this work being created that he 's willing to put his own money up.The person who waits and gets a copy for free gets to enjoy the work .
He does n't pay any money , but he " pays " by taking the risk that the work wo n't be made at all .
He does n't feel strongly enough about it to put up his own money , so that risk is acceptable to him.So... where 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's face it.
You wouldn't.
You'd sit back until -somebody- pays that $100 for their services, and then get the $0.00 copy from there.
But that somebody sure ain't you.What's wrong with that?The creator gets paid $100, which he considers a fair price.The person paying the $100 gets a good deal, since otherwise he wouldn't have paid it.
He feels strongly enough about this work being created that he's willing to put his own money up.The person who waits and gets a copy for free gets to enjoy the work.
He doesn't pay any money, but he "pays" by taking the risk that the work won't be made at all.
He doesn't feel strongly enough about it to put up his own money, so that risk is acceptable to him.So... where's the problem?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839301</id>
	<title>WTF?..</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1256244660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wHAT THE fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?</p><p>dON'T YOU KNOW ITS "iNTERNATIONAL cAPS lOCK dAY"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wHAT THE fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ? dO N'T YOU KNOW ITS " iNTERNATIONAL cAPS lOCK dAY " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wHAT THE fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?dON'T YOU KNOW ITS "iNTERNATIONAL cAPS lOCK dAY"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841931</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256219640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Insightful?  Really?  What amounts to "the EU is bad" is insightful?</p><p>Moderators are showing their American libertarian bias, I think.  All the members of the EU agreed to join it, and when they did they agreed to limit their sovereign powers.  People wanting to get out of the EU now is as backward as US states wanting to secede the Union.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Insightful ?
Really ? What amounts to " the EU is bad " is insightful ? Moderators are showing their American libertarian bias , I think .
All the members of the EU agreed to join it , and when they did they agreed to limit their sovereign powers .
People wanting to get out of the EU now is as backward as US states wanting to secede the Union .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insightful?
Really?  What amounts to "the EU is bad" is insightful?Moderators are showing their American libertarian bias, I think.
All the members of the EU agreed to join it, and when they did they agreed to limit their sovereign powers.
People wanting to get out of the EU now is as backward as US states wanting to secede the Union.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843565</id>
	<title>Re:Hurrr</title>
	<author>Matrix2110</author>
	<datestamp>1256289240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>\_\_Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.</p><p>\_That's exactly what will happen...</p><p>Remember the bad old days of Napster's end how people were renaming all their files with strange crypto.</p><p>Reversing the file name was common as well as renaming the file and metadata as coming from the Dave Matthews band.</p><p>I never could figure that last one out.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>\ _ \ _Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content. \ _That 's exactly what will happen...Remember the bad old days of Napster 's end how people were renaming all their files with strange crypto.Reversing the file name was common as well as renaming the file and metadata as coming from the Dave Matthews band.I never could figure that last one out .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>\_\_Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.\_That's exactly what will happen...Remember the bad old days of Napster's end how people were renaming all their files with strange crypto.Reversing the file name was common as well as renaming the file and metadata as coming from the Dave Matthews band.I never could figure that last one out.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840157</id>
	<title>Move servers</title>
	<author>mihajul</author>
	<datestamp>1256206080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should move their servers to a more 'friendy' country like Russia or Iran<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) .

I'd love to see the MPAA go to trial there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should move their servers to a more 'friendy ' country like Russia or Iran : ) .
I 'd love to see the MPAA go to trial there : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should move their servers to a more 'friendy' country like Russia or Iran :) .
I'd love to see the MPAA go to trial there :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839571</id>
	<title>Re:Other inconsistencies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256202900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Three months? Are not most torrents kinda "dead" after that period of time. Just make a script that purges torrents 5 minutes before that then. Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Three months ?
Are not most torrents kinda " dead " after that period of time .
Just make a script that purges torrents 5 minutes before that then .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three months?
Are not most torrents kinda "dead" after that period of time.
Just make a script that purges torrents 5 minutes before that then.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29847165</id>
	<title>Dutch order Swedish?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256318640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A \_Dutch\_ court orders \_Swedish\_ nationals blah-blah-blah... Huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A \ _Dutch \ _ court orders \ _Swedish \ _ nationals blah-blah-blah... Huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A \_Dutch\_ court orders \_Swedish\_ nationals blah-blah-blah... Huh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838883</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>lbalbalba</author>
	<datestamp>1256242500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?</p> </div><p>
They have the authority to determine what happens over in Holland.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just out of curiosity , what jurisdiction do the dutch have ?
They have the authority to determine what happens over in Holland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?
They have the authority to determine what happens over in Holland.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839665</id>
	<title>Re:I guess...</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1256203380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Google receives takedown notices, they take the link down, and replace it with a link to a copy of the letter they received asking them to take the link down.  This letter generally contains the offending URL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Google receives takedown notices , they take the link down , and replace it with a link to a copy of the letter they received asking them to take the link down .
This letter generally contains the offending URL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Google receives takedown notices, they take the link down, and replace it with a link to a copy of the letter they received asking them to take the link down.
This letter generally contains the offending URL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838897</id>
	<title>Re:Other inconsistencies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256242560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that supposed to be a joke, or are you being serious?  Obviously they mean "if 1,000 people download torrent X per day, that's a 5,000,000 euro fine per day".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that supposed to be a joke , or are you being serious ?
Obviously they mean " if 1,000 people download torrent X per day , that 's a 5,000,000 euro fine per day " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that supposed to be a joke, or are you being serious?
Obviously they mean "if 1,000 people download torrent X per day, that's a 5,000,000 euro fine per day".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29848785</id>
	<title>ok</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256324520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so the matrix is now called debbie does dallas,<br>terminator is now called the sound of music<br>independence day is now called honky tonk man</p><p>how do you serve an order?</p><p>debbie does dallas is in contravention of our copyright?, but you didn`t make debbie does dallas, ah!...damn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so the matrix is now called debbie does dallas,terminator is now called the sound of musicindependence day is now called honky tonk manhow do you serve an order ? debbie does dallas is in contravention of our copyright ? , but you didn ` t make debbie does dallas , ah ! ...damn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so the matrix is now called debbie does dallas,terminator is now called the sound of musicindependence day is now called honky tonk manhow do you serve an order?debbie does dallas is in contravention of our copyright?, but you didn`t make debbie does dallas, ah!...damn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838837</id>
	<title>Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torrents!</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1256242260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[...] The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works. The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Translation: start mirroring all the torrents before they're removed. Hmmm, anyone got a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent of these?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works .
The defendants are given three months to comply , if not , they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ( $ 7,500 ) per person , per day .
" Translation : start mirroring all the torrents before they 're removed .
Hmmm , anyone got a .torrent of these ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works.
The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day.
"
Translation: start mirroring all the torrents before they're removed.
Hmmm, anyone got a .torrent of these?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843073</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1256236980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No one is allowed to read this or copy it.  No one at all ever.  Not here.  Not there.  Not in the car.  Not under the bar.  No human being.  No alien life form.  No non-human earthly lifeform at all, especially including cats.  Turn off the computer.  Pick up the gun.  Blow your fucking brains out.
<br> <br>
OK?  Can I be extradited to the United States now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is allowed to read this or copy it .
No one at all ever .
Not here .
Not there .
Not in the car .
Not under the bar .
No human being .
No alien life form .
No non-human earthly lifeform at all , especially including cats .
Turn off the computer .
Pick up the gun .
Blow your fucking brains out .
OK ? Can I be extradited to the United States now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is allowed to read this or copy it.
No one at all ever.
Not here.
Not there.
Not in the car.
Not under the bar.
No human being.
No alien life form.
No non-human earthly lifeform at all, especially including cats.
Turn off the computer.
Pick up the gun.
Blow your fucking brains out.
OK?  Can I be extradited to the United States now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838739</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.</p></div><p>Ce message contrevient aux normes fran&#231;aises d'utilisation d'un m&#233;dium interactif &#224; des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques.  Pri&#232;re de le d&#233;truire imm&#233;diatement, sacrebleu!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; - Nicolas</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something , I 'd tell them to get stuffed.Ce message contrevient aux normes fran   aises d'utilisation d'un m   dium interactif   des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques .
Pri   re de le d   truire imm   diatement , sacrebleu !
    - Nicolas</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.Ce message contrevient aux normes françaises d'utilisation d'un médium interactif à des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques.
Prière de le détruire immédiatement, sacrebleu!
    - Nicolas
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839445</id>
	<title>Thanks Brein</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1256202180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For putting the Netherlands on the world map. I suppose bad publicity is publicity nonetheless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For putting the Netherlands on the world map .
I suppose bad publicity is publicity nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For putting the Netherlands on the world map.
I suppose bad publicity is publicity nonetheless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838961</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256242860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All EU-countries respect and uphold decisions of courts in other countries. If I'm correct, they can fairly easily go get their money in Sweden. They can in Germany and Belgium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All EU-countries respect and uphold decisions of courts in other countries .
If I 'm correct , they can fairly easily go get their money in Sweden .
They can in Germany and Belgium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All EU-countries respect and uphold decisions of courts in other countries.
If I'm correct, they can fairly easily go get their money in Sweden.
They can in Germany and Belgium.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841967</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256220120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>huge LMFAO here as well. soulseek all the way baby</htmltext>
<tokenext>huge LMFAO here as well .
soulseek all the way baby</tokentext>
<sentencetext>huge LMFAO here as well.
soulseek all the way baby</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838583</id>
	<title>Hurrr</title>
	<author>Shikaku</author>
	<datestamp>1256241060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29843527</id>
	<title>Fake evidence i OK in Dutch courts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256288460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was the case were it was proven they have fabricated evidence right? In the form of a fake owners certicate of who owned "Reservella".</p><p>Nice of the court just to skip that part and say "you need to prove who else owns it, otherwise we'll just assume it's you"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was the case were it was proven they have fabricated evidence right ?
In the form of a fake owners certicate of who owned " Reservella " .Nice of the court just to skip that part and say " you need to prove who else owns it , otherwise we 'll just assume it 's you "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was the case were it was proven they have fabricated evidence right?
In the form of a fake owners certicate of who owned "Reservella".Nice of the court just to skip that part and say "you need to prove who else owns it, otherwise we'll just assume it's you"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842281</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>shadowbearer</author>
	<datestamp>1256224680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; For quite a while, now, in the US, justice has belonged to the rich, or those who could make their voices heard longest and loudest. Not to the people.</p><p>
&nbsp; We are successfully exporting this to other countries. For the same reason.</p><p>
&nbsp; Democracy? Don't make me laugh. WRT this subject, it hurts.</p><p>SB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  For quite a while , now , in the US , justice has belonged to the rich , or those who could make their voices heard longest and loudest .
Not to the people .
  We are successfully exporting this to other countries .
For the same reason .
  Democracy ?
Do n't make me laugh .
WRT this subject , it hurts.SB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  For quite a while, now, in the US, justice has belonged to the rich, or those who could make their voices heard longest and loudest.
Not to the people.
  We are successfully exporting this to other countries.
For the same reason.
  Democracy?
Don't make me laugh.
WRT this subject, it hurts.SB</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29849857</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256328660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Grow up retard.<br>Your pathetic pontificating is typical of the hippie bullshit drivel that gets regurgitated by twelve year olds on-line when trying to justify being freeloading leeching scum.</p><p>If you REALLY believe in this bullshit @everything should be like.. free...dude" bullshit, then you would not be happy to leech off everyone paying for this 'old school backwards content', by taking copies of commercial movies for free.</p><p>the only way this is fucking possible is if honest people are happy to pay for that content to be made. Hollywood movies cost millions to make. Pixar isn't some bored bloke who works at walmart in his day job.</p><p>You arrogant retarded children actually try and wave this away by a lot of waffle and sarcasm, but the very entertainment you cram your hard disk's full of is only fucking possible because not everyone is as morally vacuous free loading scum as you.</p><p>I suggest you fucking grow up, get a job, and learn the meaning of a days work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grow up retard.Your pathetic pontificating is typical of the hippie bullshit drivel that gets regurgitated by twelve year olds on-line when trying to justify being freeloading leeching scum.If you REALLY believe in this bullshit @ everything should be like.. free...dude " bullshit , then you would not be happy to leech off everyone paying for this 'old school backwards content ' , by taking copies of commercial movies for free.the only way this is fucking possible is if honest people are happy to pay for that content to be made .
Hollywood movies cost millions to make .
Pixar is n't some bored bloke who works at walmart in his day job.You arrogant retarded children actually try and wave this away by a lot of waffle and sarcasm , but the very entertainment you cram your hard disk 's full of is only fucking possible because not everyone is as morally vacuous free loading scum as you.I suggest you fucking grow up , get a job , and learn the meaning of a days work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grow up retard.Your pathetic pontificating is typical of the hippie bullshit drivel that gets regurgitated by twelve year olds on-line when trying to justify being freeloading leeching scum.If you REALLY believe in this bullshit @everything should be like.. free...dude" bullshit, then you would not be happy to leech off everyone paying for this 'old school backwards content', by taking copies of commercial movies for free.the only way this is fucking possible is if honest people are happy to pay for that content to be made.
Hollywood movies cost millions to make.
Pixar isn't some bored bloke who works at walmart in his day job.You arrogant retarded children actually try and wave this away by a lot of waffle and sarcasm, but the very entertainment you cram your hard disk's full of is only fucking possible because not everyone is as morally vacuous free loading scum as you.I suggest you fucking grow up, get a job, and learn the meaning of a days work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839697</id>
	<title>in the middle of the ocean</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256203620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the value of water is not very much</p><p>on the internet, i can give you, or someone in johannesburg, or someone in novosibirsk, any amount of my bits that they want</p><p>the internet is the ocean. media content is water</p><p>its simple economics: supply meets demand, and determines a price. with infinite supply. cost is zero. there is no ability, via any legal means, to modify this simple economic truth</p><p>"Just don't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this "valueless" content that you love to download so much."</p><p>this is baseless panic</p><p>#1: who said we are getting quality now? i've seen $10,000 dollar movies that were much better than $100,000,000 movies. i've seen a guy in coffeeshop deliver more moving songs than mindless pop i've heard. i've read better books written by authors from eras where no intellectual property protections existed than pulp where the author received a million dollar contract before the book was written</p><p>#2: why do people create art? to get paid? they do it out of passion. well, most do. certainly, some do it only for money (see #1 above). fact: if it were legally enforced in an alternate universe that no artist ever be allowed to get a penny for anything they ever made, even if people were throwing cash at them and armed police were preventing the artist from picking it up the cash, guess what: people would still create art. ask any high school kid why he picked up a guitar: to get a girl's pants. FAME. or even, believe it or not, simply for the love of the art. why did the first proto-human draw a stick figure on a cave wall or beat a drum? because he wanted economic consideration?</p><p>#3: anything meatspace will still result in cash. the musician who distributes his mp3s for free, thereby getting a fan base, will sell tickets to his next concert. television, then the vcr, then the dvd, now the internet: it was all supposed to destroy the movie theatre. it hasn't. movies will still sell tickets even if their dvd market is $0. jk rowling could get $0 for her books and still be very rich: speaking engagements, personalized content, hollywood scripts, toylines, media endorsements, advertising, etc</p><p>the point? if all of intellectual property laws were erased, we would see an INCREASE in cultural output and quality, without the laws getting in the way of artists attempting to create art (and running into interference from the great grandson of a guy who wrote a song he wants to use on a soundtrack, etc), and without distributors telling us what to watch/ read/ listen to (internet sites devoted to rating output would do that instead)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the value of water is not very muchon the internet , i can give you , or someone in johannesburg , or someone in novosibirsk , any amount of my bits that they wantthe internet is the ocean .
media content is waterits simple economics : supply meets demand , and determines a price .
with infinite supply .
cost is zero .
there is no ability , via any legal means , to modify this simple economic truth " Just do n't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this " valueless " content that you love to download so much .
" this is baseless panic # 1 : who said we are getting quality now ?
i 've seen $ 10,000 dollar movies that were much better than $ 100,000,000 movies .
i 've seen a guy in coffeeshop deliver more moving songs than mindless pop i 've heard .
i 've read better books written by authors from eras where no intellectual property protections existed than pulp where the author received a million dollar contract before the book was written # 2 : why do people create art ?
to get paid ?
they do it out of passion .
well , most do .
certainly , some do it only for money ( see # 1 above ) .
fact : if it were legally enforced in an alternate universe that no artist ever be allowed to get a penny for anything they ever made , even if people were throwing cash at them and armed police were preventing the artist from picking it up the cash , guess what : people would still create art .
ask any high school kid why he picked up a guitar : to get a girl 's pants .
FAME. or even , believe it or not , simply for the love of the art .
why did the first proto-human draw a stick figure on a cave wall or beat a drum ?
because he wanted economic consideration ? # 3 : anything meatspace will still result in cash .
the musician who distributes his mp3s for free , thereby getting a fan base , will sell tickets to his next concert .
television , then the vcr , then the dvd , now the internet : it was all supposed to destroy the movie theatre .
it has n't .
movies will still sell tickets even if their dvd market is $ 0 .
jk rowling could get $ 0 for her books and still be very rich : speaking engagements , personalized content , hollywood scripts , toylines , media endorsements , advertising , etcthe point ?
if all of intellectual property laws were erased , we would see an INCREASE in cultural output and quality , without the laws getting in the way of artists attempting to create art ( and running into interference from the great grandson of a guy who wrote a song he wants to use on a soundtrack , etc ) , and without distributors telling us what to watch/ read/ listen to ( internet sites devoted to rating output would do that instead )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the value of water is not very muchon the internet, i can give you, or someone in johannesburg, or someone in novosibirsk, any amount of my bits that they wantthe internet is the ocean.
media content is waterits simple economics: supply meets demand, and determines a price.
with infinite supply.
cost is zero.
there is no ability, via any legal means, to modify this simple economic truth"Just don't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this "valueless" content that you love to download so much.
"this is baseless panic#1: who said we are getting quality now?
i've seen $10,000 dollar movies that were much better than $100,000,000 movies.
i've seen a guy in coffeeshop deliver more moving songs than mindless pop i've heard.
i've read better books written by authors from eras where no intellectual property protections existed than pulp where the author received a million dollar contract before the book was written#2: why do people create art?
to get paid?
they do it out of passion.
well, most do.
certainly, some do it only for money (see #1 above).
fact: if it were legally enforced in an alternate universe that no artist ever be allowed to get a penny for anything they ever made, even if people were throwing cash at them and armed police were preventing the artist from picking it up the cash, guess what: people would still create art.
ask any high school kid why he picked up a guitar: to get a girl's pants.
FAME. or even, believe it or not, simply for the love of the art.
why did the first proto-human draw a stick figure on a cave wall or beat a drum?
because he wanted economic consideration?#3: anything meatspace will still result in cash.
the musician who distributes his mp3s for free, thereby getting a fan base, will sell tickets to his next concert.
television, then the vcr, then the dvd, now the internet: it was all supposed to destroy the movie theatre.
it hasn't.
movies will still sell tickets even if their dvd market is $0.
jk rowling could get $0 for her books and still be very rich: speaking engagements, personalized content, hollywood scripts, toylines, media endorsements, advertising, etcthe point?
if all of intellectual property laws were erased, we would see an INCREASE in cultural output and quality, without the laws getting in the way of artists attempting to create art (and running into interference from the great grandson of a guy who wrote a song he wants to use on a soundtrack, etc), and without distributors telling us what to watch/ read/ listen to (internet sites devoted to rating output would do that instead)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839787</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256204100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever tried to use a forum in russian? Reading and writing aren't that hard thanks to google translate, but try getting past a russian captcha.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever tried to use a forum in russian ?
Reading and writing are n't that hard thanks to google translate , but try getting past a russian captcha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever tried to use a forum in russian?
Reading and writing aren't that hard thanks to google translate, but try getting past a russian captcha.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</id>
	<title>As I've said before.</title>
	<author>neo</author>
	<datestamp>1256243640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not property and you, sir, are not an intellectual.</p><p>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous and flies in the face of call macro economic theory.  Infinite supply results in infinitesimal value.</p><p>Eventually people will realize that what is being called intellectual property is actually the result of a service, then we will all be happier.</p><p>I want to pay the person who provided the service, but pretending that something ethereal is property is not the way to do it.</p><p>It is simple to create copies, people will continue to do it and the companies who fight it will lose potential customers.</p><p>Wake up.</p><p>We are willing to pay for the services rendered, but your prices are ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not property and you , sir , are not an intellectual.The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous and flies in the face of call macro economic theory .
Infinite supply results in infinitesimal value.Eventually people will realize that what is being called intellectual property is actually the result of a service , then we will all be happier.I want to pay the person who provided the service , but pretending that something ethereal is property is not the way to do it.It is simple to create copies , people will continue to do it and the companies who fight it will lose potential customers.Wake up.We are willing to pay for the services rendered , but your prices are ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not property and you, sir, are not an intellectual.The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous and flies in the face of call macro economic theory.
Infinite supply results in infinitesimal value.Eventually people will realize that what is being called intellectual property is actually the result of a service, then we will all be happier.I want to pay the person who provided the service, but pretending that something ethereal is property is not the way to do it.It is simple to create copies, people will continue to do it and the companies who fight it will lose potential customers.Wake up.We are willing to pay for the services rendered, but your prices are ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842233</id>
	<title>Re:Holland and the Netherlands</title>
	<author>Rocketship Underpant</author>
	<datestamp>1256224200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>English speakers use "Holland" to refer to the whole country, just like they call the USA "America" and the old USSR "Russia".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>English speakers use " Holland " to refer to the whole country , just like they call the USA " America " and the old USSR " Russia " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>English speakers use "Holland" to refer to the whole country, just like they call the USA "America" and the old USSR "Russia".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842929</id>
	<title>Misinformation</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1256234220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation about copyright law in the Netherlands, some of it actually spread by BREIN. Most people I've talked to actually believe downloading copyrighted works is illegal and the colloquial phrase for this is "illegal downloading". This myth is happily propagated by BREIN, even though, according to the actual law, downloading music and videos is legal. Apparently, a minister going on air stating this hasn't impressed anyone.</p><p>In this case of BREIN vs. TPB, the report I heard on the radio actually stated that "The Pirate Bay is a website that hosts copyrighted works". Now, I suppose that, technically, \_any\_ website hosts copyrighted works (if I write a webpage, I get copyright on that), but the way most people interpret this, and the way it is probably intended to be interpreted, is that TPB would host the actual media files - music and movies - which, to my knowledge, is not and never has been the case. In other words, more misinformation.</p><p>Now, I am all for the rule of law, so if the law says we are not allowed to do certain things with certain works, then I believe we shouldn't do those things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and if we still want to do them, we should get the law changed, first. So I am all for organizations like BREIN that protect the legal rights of copyright holders. But please, let's be open and clear about what is actually happening. Downloading music and movies is \_not\_ illegal in the Netherlands, and The Pirate Bay is \_not\_ hosting music and movies. Claiming those things is just spreading FUD, and I sincerely hope BREIN gets punished for it - they of all organizations should know better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , there is a lot of misinformation about copyright law in the Netherlands , some of it actually spread by BREIN .
Most people I 've talked to actually believe downloading copyrighted works is illegal and the colloquial phrase for this is " illegal downloading " .
This myth is happily propagated by BREIN , even though , according to the actual law , downloading music and videos is legal .
Apparently , a minister going on air stating this has n't impressed anyone.In this case of BREIN vs. TPB , the report I heard on the radio actually stated that " The Pirate Bay is a website that hosts copyrighted works " .
Now , I suppose that , technically , \ _any \ _ website hosts copyrighted works ( if I write a webpage , I get copyright on that ) , but the way most people interpret this , and the way it is probably intended to be interpreted , is that TPB would host the actual media files - music and movies - which , to my knowledge , is not and never has been the case .
In other words , more misinformation.Now , I am all for the rule of law , so if the law says we are not allowed to do certain things with certain works , then I believe we should n't do those things ... and if we still want to do them , we should get the law changed , first .
So I am all for organizations like BREIN that protect the legal rights of copyright holders .
But please , let 's be open and clear about what is actually happening .
Downloading music and movies is \ _not \ _ illegal in the Netherlands , and The Pirate Bay is \ _not \ _ hosting music and movies .
Claiming those things is just spreading FUD , and I sincerely hope BREIN gets punished for it - they of all organizations should know better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation about copyright law in the Netherlands, some of it actually spread by BREIN.
Most people I've talked to actually believe downloading copyrighted works is illegal and the colloquial phrase for this is "illegal downloading".
This myth is happily propagated by BREIN, even though, according to the actual law, downloading music and videos is legal.
Apparently, a minister going on air stating this hasn't impressed anyone.In this case of BREIN vs. TPB, the report I heard on the radio actually stated that "The Pirate Bay is a website that hosts copyrighted works".
Now, I suppose that, technically, \_any\_ website hosts copyrighted works (if I write a webpage, I get copyright on that), but the way most people interpret this, and the way it is probably intended to be interpreted, is that TPB would host the actual media files - music and movies - which, to my knowledge, is not and never has been the case.
In other words, more misinformation.Now, I am all for the rule of law, so if the law says we are not allowed to do certain things with certain works, then I believe we shouldn't do those things ... and if we still want to do them, we should get the law changed, first.
So I am all for organizations like BREIN that protect the legal rights of copyright holders.
But please, let's be open and clear about what is actually happening.
Downloading music and movies is \_not\_ illegal in the Netherlands, and The Pirate Bay is \_not\_ hosting music and movies.
Claiming those things is just spreading FUD, and I sincerely hope BREIN gets punished for it - they of all organizations should know better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839507</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1256202600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People still use ThePirateBay? LOL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People still use ThePirateBay ?
LOL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People still use ThePirateBay?
LOL</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839051</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1256243340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - . ,      !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>                  - .
, !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
                  - .
,      !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838739</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839141</id>
	<title>link to Magnet URI's instead</title>
	<author>Danathar</author>
	<datestamp>1256243880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although that get's rid of the actual torrent files they could theoretically just have Magnet URI's on the site. I wonder if they could get away with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although that get 's rid of the actual torrent files they could theoretically just have Magnet URI 's on the site .
I wonder if they could get away with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although that get's rid of the actual torrent files they could theoretically just have Magnet URI's on the site.
I wonder if they could get away with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838639</id>
	<title>Other inconsistencies</title>
	<author>Bovius</author>
	<datestamp>1256241360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day.</i>
<br> <br>
<b>Per person</b>, per day? So in other words, if two of the three guys gets "laid off", they are reducing the grievousness of the offense by two thirds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The defendants are given three months to comply , if not , they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ( $ 7,500 ) per person , per day .
Per person , per day ?
So in other words , if two of the three guys gets " laid off " , they are reducing the grievousness of the offense by two thirds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day.
Per person, per day?
So in other words, if two of the three guys gets "laid off", they are reducing the grievousness of the offense by two thirds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29849635</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Five Bucks!</author>
	<datestamp>1256327760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By using Windows or any other software, I am using a service, since the 0s and 1s on my hard drive have no intrinsic value. So if I'm not buying the code... I must be paying for the privilege of using the code. Licensing...</p><p>And no one likes that either.</p><p>Maybe people just don't like to spend money!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By using Windows or any other software , I am using a service , since the 0s and 1s on my hard drive have no intrinsic value .
So if I 'm not buying the code... I must be paying for the privilege of using the code .
Licensing...And no one likes that either.Maybe people just do n't like to spend money !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By using Windows or any other software, I am using a service, since the 0s and 1s on my hard drive have no intrinsic value.
So if I'm not buying the code... I must be paying for the privilege of using the code.
Licensing...And no one likes that either.Maybe people just don't like to spend money!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842919</id>
	<title>Meh...</title>
	<author>Nabeel\_co</author>
	<datestamp>1256234100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it really matter? All illegal downloads are moving to direct private HTTP servers or FTP servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it really matter ?
All illegal downloads are moving to direct private HTTP servers or FTP servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it really matter?
All illegal downloads are moving to direct private HTTP servers or FTP servers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842191</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>DesScorp</author>
	<datestamp>1256223660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"<b>It's not property and you, sir, are not an intellectual.</b>"</p><p>I have no idea whether he is or not, but you're wrong. The law says it's property, and makes no regard for how easily reproducible it is. You can stomp your feet and exclaim otherwise... you can spout macro-economic theory all day long... but copyrighted matierals, including copies of such matierial, bet it physical or digital, are considered property.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's not property and you , sir , are not an intellectual .
" I have no idea whether he is or not , but you 're wrong .
The law says it 's property , and makes no regard for how easily reproducible it is .
You can stomp your feet and exclaim otherwise... you can spout macro-economic theory all day long... but copyrighted matierals , including copies of such matierial , bet it physical or digital , are considered property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's not property and you, sir, are not an intellectual.
"I have no idea whether he is or not, but you're wrong.
The law says it's property, and makes no regard for how easily reproducible it is.
You can stomp your feet and exclaim otherwise... you can spout macro-economic theory all day long... but copyrighted matierals, including copies of such matierial, bet it physical or digital, are considered property.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840181</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256206200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ouch did you had to remind me of that? This is relevant, tax laws in Mexico are like copyright laws in the US, they get passed into law without any public consideration and usually *against* all public opinion. Democracy here is a joke, short of an armed conflict I don't think there's any hope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ouch did you had to remind me of that ?
This is relevant , tax laws in Mexico are like copyright laws in the US , they get passed into law without any public consideration and usually * against * all public opinion .
Democracy here is a joke , short of an armed conflict I do n't think there 's any hope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ouch did you had to remind me of that?
This is relevant, tax laws in Mexico are like copyright laws in the US, they get passed into law without any public consideration and usually *against* all public opinion.
Democracy here is a joke, short of an armed conflict I don't think there's any hope.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838945</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29947426</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257097980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree the EU was a means to an end, but the end was actually to create a political and economic blog large enough to rival north America. Ideally with Germany and France in the pilot seat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree the EU was a means to an end , but the end was actually to create a political and economic blog large enough to rival north America .
Ideally with Germany and France in the pilot seat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree the EU was a means to an end, but the end was actually to create a political and economic blog large enough to rival north America.
Ideally with Germany and France in the pilot seat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839631</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838983</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No fair, I don't speak Russian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No fair , I do n't speak Russian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No fair, I don't speak Russian.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838739</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839935</id>
	<title>The solution is clear</title>
	<author>Crashspeeder</author>
	<datestamp>1256204820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TPB needs to buy a plot of land somewhere, declare it a country, establish a governing body and be out of reach of all these different jurisdictions that cave under the pressure of the MPAA, RIAA, and their international equivalents.  I'd gladly pay a handsome fee to move to such a country if they promised it wouldn't be rife with real life crime.  I guess that's just be being idealistic though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TPB needs to buy a plot of land somewhere , declare it a country , establish a governing body and be out of reach of all these different jurisdictions that cave under the pressure of the MPAA , RIAA , and their international equivalents .
I 'd gladly pay a handsome fee to move to such a country if they promised it would n't be rife with real life crime .
I guess that 's just be being idealistic though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TPB needs to buy a plot of land somewhere, declare it a country, establish a governing body and be out of reach of all these different jurisdictions that cave under the pressure of the MPAA, RIAA, and their international equivalents.
I'd gladly pay a handsome fee to move to such a country if they promised it wouldn't be rife with real life crime.
I guess that's just be being idealistic though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839159</id>
	<title>Copyright a list of copyright materials?</title>
	<author>j-stroy</author>
	<datestamp>1256243940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I publish a list of titles of copyright materials, I can copyright it, and then prevent people from sharing that list?<br> <br>

In other news, is there a torrent of those torrents I can download?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I publish a list of titles of copyright materials , I can copyright it , and then prevent people from sharing that list ?
In other news , is there a torrent of those torrents I can download ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I publish a list of titles of copyright materials, I can copyright it, and then prevent people from sharing that list?
In other news, is there a torrent of those torrents I can download?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841349</id>
	<title>Re:Holland and the Netherlands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256213580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bull,<br>that we also have Provinces called North-Holland and South-Holland do not remove the fact that Holland has been synanymous to 'The Netherlands' for the last, oh, thousand years.</p><p>That said, the netherlands doesnt consist of much more than N/S Holland, some subjugated -ex belgians and the Frysians who we keep around solely for their gasfields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bull,that we also have Provinces called North-Holland and South-Holland do not remove the fact that Holland has been synanymous to 'The Netherlands ' for the last , oh , thousand years.That said , the netherlands doesnt consist of much more than N/S Holland , some subjugated -ex belgians and the Frysians who we keep around solely for their gasfields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bull,that we also have Provinces called North-Holland and South-Holland do not remove the fact that Holland has been synanymous to 'The Netherlands' for the last, oh, thousand years.That said, the netherlands doesnt consist of much more than N/S Holland, some subjugated -ex belgians and the Frysians who we keep around solely for their gasfields.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838815</id>
	<title>Solution</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1256242140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In that case, they should link to links to copyrighted works.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>All kidding aside, this is so far the best response to piracy I've seen yet.  It *almost* makes sense.  Since they can't go after the people actually committing the crime, they order the informants to stop informing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case , they should link to links to copyrighted works .
: - ) All kidding aside , this is so far the best response to piracy I 've seen yet .
It * almost * makes sense .
Since they ca n't go after the people actually committing the crime , they order the informants to stop informing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case, they should link to links to copyrighted works.
:-)All kidding aside, this is so far the best response to piracy I've seen yet.
It *almost* makes sense.
Since they can't go after the people actually committing the crime, they order the informants to stop informing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838685</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1256241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget to put a disclaimer on your site saying "Dutch users may NOT download from this site."  That'll fix their little red wagon.</p><p>I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say that's at least 300\% certain to prevent the dutch from having any juristiction.  Incidentally, I am also not a guy who does stuff with numbers and percents for his job.</p><p>By the way, due to libel laws, this post may not legally be read in England.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget to put a disclaimer on your site saying " Dutch users may NOT download from this site .
" That 'll fix their little red wagon.I mean , I 'm not a lawyer , but I 'd say that 's at least 300 \ % certain to prevent the dutch from having any juristiction .
Incidentally , I am also not a guy who does stuff with numbers and percents for his job.By the way , due to libel laws , this post may not legally be read in England .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget to put a disclaimer on your site saying "Dutch users may NOT download from this site.
"  That'll fix their little red wagon.I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say that's at least 300\% certain to prevent the dutch from having any juristiction.
Incidentally, I am also not a guy who does stuff with numbers and percents for his job.By the way, due to libel laws, this post may not legally be read in England.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838707</id>
	<title>I take it the courts will be deleting too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take it that the courts will be deleting the information on the link too, since that order is just a human-parseable version of the same link to the offending data as the one on the pirate bay.</p><p>If not, I assume that the court will pay a fine of 5000 euros per day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it that the courts will be deleting the information on the link too , since that order is just a human-parseable version of the same link to the offending data as the one on the pirate bay.If not , I assume that the court will pay a fine of 5000 euros per day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it that the courts will be deleting the information on the link too, since that order is just a human-parseable version of the same link to the offending data as the one on the pirate bay.If not, I assume that the court will pay a fine of 5000 euros per day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839289</id>
	<title>Copyright claims</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1256244540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does BREIN have explicit permission from all the owners of the products in that list of torrents to act on their behalf in copyright matters, or are they breaking copyright law by unfairly asserting that right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does BREIN have explicit permission from all the owners of the products in that list of torrents to act on their behalf in copyright matters , or are they breaking copyright law by unfairly asserting that right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does BREIN have explicit permission from all the owners of the products in that list of torrents to act on their behalf in copyright matters, or are they breaking copyright law by unfairly asserting that right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842363</id>
	<title>I know this doesn't belong here...</title>
	<author>NemosomeN</author>
	<datestamp>1256225580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But I have, for some reason or another, been completely incapable of finding a torrent for "The Informant!".  I've found tons of fakes/virus-laden files, but none that are legit, and nothing on The Pirate Bay (Which MUST delete torrents for being forgeries, because I've never found a fraudulent torrent on the site).  Am I just doing something wrong? I have never had trouble finding a movie before, ever.  Trouble downloading, yes, but I can always at least find an unseeded download.  I know this is offtopic, but I'm at the point where I'm willing to burn karma to figure out why this is true, and it's not because it's a shitty movie, because I can find shitty movies fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I have , for some reason or another , been completely incapable of finding a torrent for " The Informant ! " .
I 've found tons of fakes/virus-laden files , but none that are legit , and nothing on The Pirate Bay ( Which MUST delete torrents for being forgeries , because I 've never found a fraudulent torrent on the site ) .
Am I just doing something wrong ?
I have never had trouble finding a movie before , ever .
Trouble downloading , yes , but I can always at least find an unseeded download .
I know this is offtopic , but I 'm at the point where I 'm willing to burn karma to figure out why this is true , and it 's not because it 's a shitty movie , because I can find shitty movies fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I have, for some reason or another, been completely incapable of finding a torrent for "The Informant!".
I've found tons of fakes/virus-laden files, but none that are legit, and nothing on The Pirate Bay (Which MUST delete torrents for being forgeries, because I've never found a fraudulent torrent on the site).
Am I just doing something wrong?
I have never had trouble finding a movie before, ever.
Trouble downloading, yes, but I can always at least find an unseeded download.
I know this is offtopic, but I'm at the point where I'm willing to burn karma to figure out why this is true, and it's not because it's a shitty movie, because I can find shitty movies fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839915</id>
	<title>An apt comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256204700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quoth Stallman:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Oracle is facing an obvious conflict of interest  the continued development of a powerful, feature rich free alternative [MySQL] to its core product.</p></div><p>I'm speechless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quoth Stallman : Oracle is facing an obvious conflict of interest the continued development of a powerful , feature rich free alternative [ MySQL ] to its core product.I 'm speechless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quoth Stallman:Oracle is facing an obvious conflict of interest  the continued development of a powerful, feature rich free alternative [MySQL] to its core product.I'm speechless.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839775</id>
	<title>Remove torrents?</title>
	<author>GSwarthout</author>
	<datestamp>1256204040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But torrents are what Pirate Bay is all about!   You can't infringe on their right to be a distributor of torrents.  You just can't.  What about their business model?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But torrents are what Pirate Bay is all about !
You ca n't infringe on their right to be a distributor of torrents .
You just ca n't .
What about their business model ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But torrents are what Pirate Bay is all about!
You can't infringe on their right to be a distributor of torrents.
You just can't.
What about their business model?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839019</id>
	<title>Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like this idea.  Can a torrent that is merely a collection of other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files be hosted?</p><p>It's like, I don't have movie X, or a list of places to get movie X, but here's a list of places that host a list of places to get movie X.  Can they persecute a chain of inference?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like this idea .
Can a torrent that is merely a collection of other .torrent files be hosted ? It 's like , I do n't have movie X , or a list of places to get movie X , but here 's a list of places that host a list of places to get movie X. Can they persecute a chain of inference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like this idea.
Can a torrent that is merely a collection of other .torrent files be hosted?It's like, I don't have movie X, or a list of places to get movie X, but here's a list of places that host a list of places to get movie X.  Can they persecute a chain of inference?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838837</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839415</id>
	<title>thePirateBay.com is dead</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1256202060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>long live diePiratenbucht.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>long live diePiratenbucht.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>long live diePiratenbucht.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839163</id>
	<title>Possible Defense: ...But Google is doing it too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why can't thepiratebay use "but Google is doing it too" as a defense for why aren't they suing the biggest player?  I mean its like they are extorting the little guy who can't defend himself to prove a point instead of attacking Google which actually has the legal might to defend itself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't thepiratebay use " but Google is doing it too " as a defense for why are n't they suing the biggest player ?
I mean its like they are extorting the little guy who ca n't defend himself to prove a point instead of attacking Google which actually has the legal might to defend itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't thepiratebay use "but Google is doing it too" as a defense for why aren't they suing the biggest player?
I mean its like they are extorting the little guy who can't defend himself to prove a point instead of attacking Google which actually has the legal might to defend itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838955</id>
	<title>Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement?</title>
	<author>Coren22</author>
	<datestamp>1256242860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sudo bring me some cake</p><p>sudo hurry up</p><p>sumo flattened</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sudo bring me some cakesudo hurry upsumo flattened</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sudo bring me some cakesudo hurry upsumo flattened</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840693</id>
	<title>Re:List</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256208960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're posting a list of artists to be removed from TPB, and I'mma let you finish, but Beyonce had the best torrent of all time.  OF ALL TIME!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're posting a list of artists to be removed from TPB , and I'mma let you finish , but Beyonce had the best torrent of all time .
OF ALL TIME !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're posting a list of artists to be removed from TPB, and I'mma let you finish, but Beyonce had the best torrent of all time.
OF ALL TIME!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838991</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1256243100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have unpaid Swiss traffic ticket. It's all in German except the laconic phrase in English "pay the fine 60F" or whatever Fahrenheit the are using as currency. No photo of my vehicle breaking the law.</p><p>Swiss Nazis have actually cameras installed on major freeways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have unpaid Swiss traffic ticket .
It 's all in German except the laconic phrase in English " pay the fine 60F " or whatever Fahrenheit the are using as currency .
No photo of my vehicle breaking the law.Swiss Nazis have actually cameras installed on major freeways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have unpaid Swiss traffic ticket.
It's all in German except the laconic phrase in English "pay the fine 60F" or whatever Fahrenheit the are using as currency.
No photo of my vehicle breaking the law.Swiss Nazis have actually cameras installed on major freeways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839063</id>
	<title>Isn't it all copyrighted?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works</p></div><p>Is there *anything* on TPB that's in the Public Domain?  Since *everything* is copyrighted when it's created, what use is it including this in the summary?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted worksIs there * anything * on TPB that 's in the Public Domain ?
Since * everything * is copyrighted when it 's created , what use is it including this in the summary ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted worksIs there *anything* on TPB that's in the Public Domain?
Since *everything* is copyrighted when it's created, what use is it including this in the summary?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839563</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256202840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sigh.  I doubt you've ever taken an economics course.  Infinite supply has no value?  Have you ever heard of consumer surplus?  Perhaps you are thinking of zero marginal cost...  But firms must price above their *average* cost or they lose money.  The common term for this is "return on investment."  Without it, people don't *make* investments.</p><p>Calling it "property" doesn't mean people think it's a tangible thing; instead, it gives you a set of legal rights including the right to exclude others.  We could get rid of that right with tangible things too, like real estate.  We (humans) have tried getting rid of those rights WRT tangible property.  It didn't go so well.  See also: communism.  That doesn't mean information isn't different; it's a non-rivalrous good.  But they're similar in the sense that *creation* is rivalrous (read: not free).</p><p>I agree they'll probably never stop it.  I'd also agree that there are *some* benefits; with zero marginal cost, someone who gets X without paying receives a benefit.  If everyone did this, the producer would receive zero revenue, eventually figure this out, and stop producing.  What would you have them set the price at?  A fair rate of return?  Well them how do you account for the risk that some investments will have negative returns?  Perhaps they could charge everyone exactly what it's worth to them, so that you can have X for a lower price.  Then everyone's consumer surplus becomes producer surplus.  It's a difficult problem; nobody has a perfect solution.</p><p>I know it's not as much fun, but you might want to actually learn *something* about the problem before you form such a strong opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sigh .
I doubt you 've ever taken an economics course .
Infinite supply has no value ?
Have you ever heard of consumer surplus ?
Perhaps you are thinking of zero marginal cost... But firms must price above their * average * cost or they lose money .
The common term for this is " return on investment .
" Without it , people do n't * make * investments.Calling it " property " does n't mean people think it 's a tangible thing ; instead , it gives you a set of legal rights including the right to exclude others .
We could get rid of that right with tangible things too , like real estate .
We ( humans ) have tried getting rid of those rights WRT tangible property .
It did n't go so well .
See also : communism .
That does n't mean information is n't different ; it 's a non-rivalrous good .
But they 're similar in the sense that * creation * is rivalrous ( read : not free ) .I agree they 'll probably never stop it .
I 'd also agree that there are * some * benefits ; with zero marginal cost , someone who gets X without paying receives a benefit .
If everyone did this , the producer would receive zero revenue , eventually figure this out , and stop producing .
What would you have them set the price at ?
A fair rate of return ?
Well them how do you account for the risk that some investments will have negative returns ?
Perhaps they could charge everyone exactly what it 's worth to them , so that you can have X for a lower price .
Then everyone 's consumer surplus becomes producer surplus .
It 's a difficult problem ; nobody has a perfect solution.I know it 's not as much fun , but you might want to actually learn * something * about the problem before you form such a strong opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sigh.
I doubt you've ever taken an economics course.
Infinite supply has no value?
Have you ever heard of consumer surplus?
Perhaps you are thinking of zero marginal cost...  But firms must price above their *average* cost or they lose money.
The common term for this is "return on investment.
"  Without it, people don't *make* investments.Calling it "property" doesn't mean people think it's a tangible thing; instead, it gives you a set of legal rights including the right to exclude others.
We could get rid of that right with tangible things too, like real estate.
We (humans) have tried getting rid of those rights WRT tangible property.
It didn't go so well.
See also: communism.
That doesn't mean information isn't different; it's a non-rivalrous good.
But they're similar in the sense that *creation* is rivalrous (read: not free).I agree they'll probably never stop it.
I'd also agree that there are *some* benefits; with zero marginal cost, someone who gets X without paying receives a benefit.
If everyone did this, the producer would receive zero revenue, eventually figure this out, and stop producing.
What would you have them set the price at?
A fair rate of return?
Well them how do you account for the risk that some investments will have negative returns?
Perhaps they could charge everyone exactly what it's worth to them, so that you can have X for a lower price.
Then everyone's consumer surplus becomes producer surplus.
It's a difficult problem; nobody has a perfect solution.I know it's not as much fun, but you might want to actually learn *something* about the problem before you form such a strong opinion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839113</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838613</id>
	<title>So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?</p><p>I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just out of curiosity , what jurisdiction do the dutch have ? I 'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something , I 'd tell them to get stuffed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29844013</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1256296740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having now lived in the EU for a few years now, its really not what it appears like in the media. Most countries only follow some of the EU rules, and each country seems to ignore a difference set of rules. Really the EU is not as overreaching as they appear.<br> <br>
A good example is the way the UK run there boarder. You would think that a EU passport is not good enough to get into that part of EU sometimes with the question and things they ask and even seem prepared to turn you away if they think you are looking for work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having now lived in the EU for a few years now , its really not what it appears like in the media .
Most countries only follow some of the EU rules , and each country seems to ignore a difference set of rules .
Really the EU is not as overreaching as they appear .
A good example is the way the UK run there boarder .
You would think that a EU passport is not good enough to get into that part of EU sometimes with the question and things they ask and even seem prepared to turn you away if they think you are looking for work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having now lived in the EU for a few years now, its really not what it appears like in the media.
Most countries only follow some of the EU rules, and each country seems to ignore a difference set of rules.
Really the EU is not as overreaching as they appear.
A good example is the way the UK run there boarder.
You would think that a EU passport is not good enough to get into that part of EU sometimes with the question and things they ask and even seem prepared to turn you away if they think you are looking for work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839377</id>
	<title>Delete the torrents?</title>
	<author>interval1066</author>
	<datestamp>1256244960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What good is that going to do? Might as well bail out a boat with a hole the size of your bucket.<br>I suppose the RIAA in the Netherlands is rejoicing and clinking glasses to toast the demise of media piracy and a return to healthy profitability. Heh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What good is that going to do ?
Might as well bail out a boat with a hole the size of your bucket.I suppose the RIAA in the Netherlands is rejoicing and clinking glasses to toast the demise of media piracy and a return to healthy profitability .
Heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good is that going to do?
Might as well bail out a boat with a hole the size of your bucket.I suppose the RIAA in the Netherlands is rejoicing and clinking glasses to toast the demise of media piracy and a return to healthy profitability.
Heh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29844713</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1256304600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I refuse to accept that rule.Quotations mark the contained text as unmodified strings. Putting your punctuation inside because of some silly prehistoric custom... changes the contained text, making the quotes irrelevant and incorrect.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I refuse to accept that rule.Quotations mark the contained text as unmodified strings .
Putting your punctuation inside because of some silly prehistoric custom... changes the contained text , making the quotes irrelevant and incorrect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I refuse to accept that rule.Quotations mark the contained text as unmodified strings.
Putting your punctuation inside because of some silly prehistoric custom... changes the contained text, making the quotes irrelevant and incorrect.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838725</id>
	<title>Re:Hurrr</title>
	<author>fluffy99</author>
	<datestamp>1256241780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.</p></div><p>That's exactly what will happen, as well as new categories will be created to get around the areas that are to be blocked for Dutch users. This does set the precedent that if a site is notified of torrents for copyright infringing materials that they must remove them. This sounds perfectly fair, so long as the person complaining is the legitimate copyright holder and they point to a specific torrent.  Afterall, you can't claim ignorance about the torrents if you have been notified.  It also puts a burden on the copyright holder to monitor the site for infringing torrents and not the site owners.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.That 's exactly what will happen , as well as new categories will be created to get around the areas that are to be blocked for Dutch users .
This does set the precedent that if a site is notified of torrents for copyright infringing materials that they must remove them .
This sounds perfectly fair , so long as the person complaining is the legitimate copyright holder and they point to a specific torrent .
Afterall , you ca n't claim ignorance about the torrents if you have been notified .
It also puts a burden on the copyright holder to monitor the site for infringing torrents and not the site owners .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.That's exactly what will happen, as well as new categories will be created to get around the areas that are to be blocked for Dutch users.
This does set the precedent that if a site is notified of torrents for copyright infringing materials that they must remove them.
This sounds perfectly fair, so long as the person complaining is the legitimate copyright holder and they point to a specific torrent.
Afterall, you can't claim ignorance about the torrents if you have been notified.
It also puts a burden on the copyright holder to monitor the site for infringing torrents and not the site owners.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839353</id>
	<title>Time to extend laws to other locations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256244900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So...a judge has issued an order to delete content on a website not hosted in his country, for a law that doesn't exist... and is totally legal in the nation what it is hosted...?</p><p>From the jurisdiction of the supreme court of my living room--I'd like to offer a reward of $0.25 who enforces my decision to have the judge deleted.</p><p>Don't worry, no trial is needed in the principality of Anonymous Coward--random evidence, and the presentations of anyone are sufficient and permitted by my rules of evidence.  You may notice my opinion changes from day to day, and even post to post.  But hey--that's a fickle legal system for you.</p><p>What's that you say, the laws of my living room don't apply in another country?  Maybe he should have thought of that before he overextended his own authority...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So...a judge has issued an order to delete content on a website not hosted in his country , for a law that does n't exist... and is totally legal in the nation what it is hosted... ? From the jurisdiction of the supreme court of my living room--I 'd like to offer a reward of $ 0.25 who enforces my decision to have the judge deleted.Do n't worry , no trial is needed in the principality of Anonymous Coward--random evidence , and the presentations of anyone are sufficient and permitted by my rules of evidence .
You may notice my opinion changes from day to day , and even post to post .
But hey--that 's a fickle legal system for you.What 's that you say , the laws of my living room do n't apply in another country ?
Maybe he should have thought of that before he overextended his own authority.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So...a judge has issued an order to delete content on a website not hosted in his country, for a law that doesn't exist... and is totally legal in the nation what it is hosted...?From the jurisdiction of the supreme court of my living room--I'd like to offer a reward of $0.25 who enforces my decision to have the judge deleted.Don't worry, no trial is needed in the principality of Anonymous Coward--random evidence, and the presentations of anyone are sufficient and permitted by my rules of evidence.
You may notice my opinion changes from day to day, and even post to post.
But hey--that's a fickle legal system for you.What's that you say, the laws of my living room don't apply in another country?
Maybe he should have thought of that before he overextended his own authority...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839133</id>
	<title>hide accessibility?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256243820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comply, but with a caveat.</p><p>Let users upload torrent links, have them not searchable on the piratebay website itself, but let google index the piratebay. Thus if you search for a torrent, It shows up in google, but NOT AT the thepiratebay. org/.... url specifically. If you try going to the <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/path-to-torrent" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">http://thepiratebay.org/path-to-torrent</a> [thepiratebay.org], it dead ends to a 404 error or something... Thus, google actually becomes the torrent 'server'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comply , but with a caveat.Let users upload torrent links , have them not searchable on the piratebay website itself , but let google index the piratebay .
Thus if you search for a torrent , It shows up in google , but NOT AT the thepiratebay .
org/.... url specifically .
If you try going to the http : //thepiratebay.org/path-to-torrent [ thepiratebay.org ] , it dead ends to a 404 error or something... Thus , google actually becomes the torrent 'server' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comply, but with a caveat.Let users upload torrent links, have them not searchable on the piratebay website itself, but let google index the piratebay.
Thus if you search for a torrent, It shows up in google, but NOT AT the thepiratebay.
org/.... url specifically.
If you try going to the http://thepiratebay.org/path-to-torrent [thepiratebay.org], it dead ends to a 404 error or something... Thus, google actually becomes the torrent 'server'.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29847441</id>
	<title>Re:Solution</title>
	<author>TheQuantumShift</author>
	<datestamp>1256319840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm still fuzzy on how they can't go after the uploaders. Most torrent clients show IP's and seed ratios. Connect some super torrent client to a database and start collecting info. Let it run for a few months and they would probably have enough to start suing the top seeders. I would think super popular torrent sites would be their best weapon...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still fuzzy on how they ca n't go after the uploaders .
Most torrent clients show IP 's and seed ratios .
Connect some super torrent client to a database and start collecting info .
Let it run for a few months and they would probably have enough to start suing the top seeders .
I would think super popular torrent sites would be their best weapon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still fuzzy on how they can't go after the uploaders.
Most torrent clients show IP's and seed ratios.
Connect some super torrent client to a database and start collecting info.
Let it run for a few months and they would probably have enough to start suing the top seeders.
I would think super popular torrent sites would be their best weapon...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838815</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841225</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256212560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Only the copyright holders may download torrents of copyrighted works."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Only the copyright holders may download torrents of copyrighted works .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Only the copyright holders may download torrents of copyrighted works.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841985</id>
	<title>What if you're only one quarter Dutch?</title>
	<author>Feanturi</author>
	<datestamp>1256220240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does it still work, just really slow? What would be the ideal mix of the other 3/4 of your nationality to get the best connection under those circumstances?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it still work , just really slow ?
What would be the ideal mix of the other 3/4 of your nationality to get the best connection under those circumstances ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it still work, just really slow?
What would be the ideal mix of the other 3/4 of your nationality to get the best connection under those circumstances?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839723</id>
	<title>Holland and the Netherlands</title>
	<author>Fuzzums</author>
	<datestamp>1256203800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holland : The Netherlands =&gt; California : The USA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holland : The Netherlands = &gt; California : The USA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holland : The Netherlands =&gt; California : The USA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841421</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1256214060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous</i> </p><p>Is that a 100 Euro note I see in your hand?</p><p> Since it has no value, may I have it, please?</p><p>Our computers slipped a cog and erased $100,000 - perhaps twice that or more - from your New York accounts.</p><p>We don't really know. But not to worry.</p><p>It was, after all, no more than a string of ones and zeros in the database - no more than a ghostly entry in a phantom ledger.</p><p>Strange to think that one of own accountants received an accidental credit of $15 million that day.</p><p>Property is a real or intangible object whose ownership is defined and defended by the state.</p><p>I haven't the least idea of how an industrial - much less a post-industrial - economy is supposed to function without the extraordinary convenience and security that trade in intangible property provides.</p><p>It is easy and cheap for the geek to make <b>his</b> copy.</p><p> Easy and cheap if you ignore the enormous economic and technical infrastructure that makes it possible.</p><p>For him - but not for everyone.</p><p>The geek is too often dishonest about the cost of production and marketing - and the price he is willing to pay.</p><p>2008 saw the release of three movies with extraordinary geek-cred:</p><p> Iron Man, The Dark Knight and Wall-E. Production costs alone $150-$200 million dollars each.</p><p>The return from Pirate Bay: $0.</p><p>The geek is too often dishonest about the consequences of <b>not</b> paying:</p><p>Production simply shifts to serve the needs and values of those who <b>will</b> pay.</p><p>Pixar has sequels to Toy Story and Cars in the works.</p><p> Pixar didn't have to risk a dime on Wall-E - and there is no other studio in the West that could have pulled it off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous Is that a 100 Euro note I see in your hand ?
Since it has no value , may I have it , please ? Our computers slipped a cog and erased $ 100,000 - perhaps twice that or more - from your New York accounts.We do n't really know .
But not to worry.It was , after all , no more than a string of ones and zeros in the database - no more than a ghostly entry in a phantom ledger.Strange to think that one of own accountants received an accidental credit of $ 15 million that day.Property is a real or intangible object whose ownership is defined and defended by the state.I have n't the least idea of how an industrial - much less a post-industrial - economy is supposed to function without the extraordinary convenience and security that trade in intangible property provides.It is easy and cheap for the geek to make his copy .
Easy and cheap if you ignore the enormous economic and technical infrastructure that makes it possible.For him - but not for everyone.The geek is too often dishonest about the cost of production and marketing - and the price he is willing to pay.2008 saw the release of three movies with extraordinary geek-cred : Iron Man , The Dark Knight and Wall-E. Production costs alone $ 150- $ 200 million dollars each.The return from Pirate Bay : $ 0.The geek is too often dishonest about the consequences of not paying : Production simply shifts to serve the needs and values of those who will pay.Pixar has sequels to Toy Story and Cars in the works .
Pixar did n't have to risk a dime on Wall-E - and there is no other studio in the West that could have pulled it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous Is that a 100 Euro note I see in your hand?
Since it has no value, may I have it, please?Our computers slipped a cog and erased $100,000 - perhaps twice that or more - from your New York accounts.We don't really know.
But not to worry.It was, after all, no more than a string of ones and zeros in the database - no more than a ghostly entry in a phantom ledger.Strange to think that one of own accountants received an accidental credit of $15 million that day.Property is a real or intangible object whose ownership is defined and defended by the state.I haven't the least idea of how an industrial - much less a post-industrial - economy is supposed to function without the extraordinary convenience and security that trade in intangible property provides.It is easy and cheap for the geek to make his copy.
Easy and cheap if you ignore the enormous economic and technical infrastructure that makes it possible.For him - but not for everyone.The geek is too often dishonest about the cost of production and marketing - and the price he is willing to pay.2008 saw the release of three movies with extraordinary geek-cred: Iron Man, The Dark Knight and Wall-E. Production costs alone $150-$200 million dollars each.The return from Pirate Bay: $0.The geek is too often dishonest about the consequences of not paying:Production simply shifts to serve the needs and values of those who will pay.Pixar has sequels to Toy Story and Cars in the works.
Pixar didn't have to risk a dime on Wall-E - and there is no other studio in the West that could have pulled it off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839601</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't it all copyrighted?</title>
	<author>genner</author>
	<datestamp>1256203080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works</p></div><p>Is there *anything* on TPB that's in the Public Domain?  Since *everything* is copyrighted when it's created, what use is it including this in the summary?</p></div><p>Yes there is. Copyrights (eventually) expire afterall.......unless your Disney.

<a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4037506/The\_Killer\_Shrews\_-\_Public\_Domain" title="thepiratebay.org">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4037506/The\_Killer\_Shrews\_-\_Public\_Domain</a> [thepiratebay.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted worksIs there * anything * on TPB that 's in the Public Domain ?
Since * everything * is copyrighted when it 's created , what use is it including this in the summary ? Yes there is .
Copyrights ( eventually ) expire afterall.......unless your Disney .
http : //thepiratebay.org/torrent/4037506/The \ _Killer \ _Shrews \ _- \ _Public \ _Domain [ thepiratebay.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted worksIs there *anything* on TPB that's in the Public Domain?
Since *everything* is copyrighted when it's created, what use is it including this in the summary?Yes there is.
Copyrights (eventually) expire afterall.......unless your Disney.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4037506/The\_Killer\_Shrews\_-\_Public\_Domain [thepiratebay.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838697</id>
	<title>Finally a use for my 3TB array</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What will I do with 3TB of Brianna Banks movies anyways?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What will I do with 3TB of Brianna Banks movies anyways ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will I do with 3TB of Brianna Banks movies anyways?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29841075</id>
	<title>Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256211600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe by arresting the owners and putting them in jail? While their servers are "untouchable", unless the owners moved to some old soviet state too, they are still very touchable!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe by arresting the owners and putting them in jail ?
While their servers are " untouchable " , unless the owners moved to some old soviet state too , they are still very touchable !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe by arresting the owners and putting them in jail?
While their servers are "untouchable", unless the owners moved to some old soviet state too, they are still very touchable!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842811</id>
	<title>Re:The solution is clear</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1256232060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too true. I think if TPB asked for donations, they'd get a fortune - even if the "country" was only large enough to house the building their servers are stored in.  I virtually never use TPB to get torrents, but I'd gladly give them $20 to help them out for what they stand for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too true .
I think if TPB asked for donations , they 'd get a fortune - even if the " country " was only large enough to house the building their servers are stored in .
I virtually never use TPB to get torrents , but I 'd gladly give them $ 20 to help them out for what they stand for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too true.
I think if TPB asked for donations, they'd get a fortune - even if the "country" was only large enough to house the building their servers are stored in.
I virtually never use TPB to get torrents, but I'd gladly give them $20 to help them out for what they stand for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838673</id>
	<title>List</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PB should publish said list when they get it: It will be interesting to see which artists get mad when they realize they aren't being "protected', and who gets mad when they realize their publishers are suing their costumer base in their name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PB should publish said list when they get it : It will be interesting to see which artists get mad when they realize they are n't being " protected ' , and who gets mad when they realize their publishers are suing their costumer base in their name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PB should publish said list when they get it: It will be interesting to see which artists get mad when they realize they aren't being "protected', and who gets mad when they realize their publishers are suing their costumer base in their name.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839381</id>
	<title>To quote Dylan...</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1256245020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well let me ask you one question: Is your money that good? Oh, will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could?</p><p>I think you will find, when your death takes its toll: All the money you made will never buy back your soul.</p><p>And I hope that you die - and your death will come soon - I'll follow your casket by the pale afternoon...</p><p>And I'll watch while you're lowered, down to your deathbed. And I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're dead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well let me ask you one question : Is your money that good ?
Oh , will it buy you forgiveness ?
Do you think that it could ? I think you will find , when your death takes its toll : All the money you made will never buy back your soul.And I hope that you die - and your death will come soon - I 'll follow your casket by the pale afternoon...And I 'll watch while you 're lowered , down to your deathbed .
And I 'll stand over your grave till I 'm sure that you 're dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well let me ask you one question: Is your money that good?
Oh, will it buy you forgiveness?
Do you think that it could?I think you will find, when your death takes its toll: All the money you made will never buy back your soul.And I hope that you die - and your death will come soon - I'll follow your casket by the pale afternoon...And I'll watch while you're lowered, down to your deathbed.
And I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're dead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838841</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256242260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This has nothing to do with "EU law". This is Dutch law. Try again, kthxbai.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has nothing to do with " EU law " .
This is Dutch law .
Try again , kthxbai .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has nothing to do with "EU law".
This is Dutch law.
Try again, kthxbai.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838945</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256242860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lo que opinen o digan ustedes me importa un carajo, siempre y cuando paguen los pinches impuestos</p><p>- Felipe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lo que opinen o digan ustedes me importa un carajo , siempre y cuando paguen los pinches impuestos- Felipe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lo que opinen o digan ustedes me importa un carajo, siempre y cuando paguen los pinches impuestos- Felipe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840207</id>
	<title>Ok, comply by deleting ALL trackers after 90 days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256206380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Joy. Another ruling written by people who understand nothing about the technology, or the data being shared.</p><p>How about this: Simply delete ALL trackers older than 90 days. Voila, compliant with the ruling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Joy .
Another ruling written by people who understand nothing about the technology , or the data being shared.How about this : Simply delete ALL trackers older than 90 days .
Voila , compliant with the ruling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joy.
Another ruling written by people who understand nothing about the technology, or the data being shared.How about this: Simply delete ALL trackers older than 90 days.
Voila, compliant with the ruling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839175</id>
	<title>Re:So... the dutch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256244000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Je t'aime !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Je t'aime !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Je t'aime !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839371</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256244960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens if they remove the torrents from their server. Another server then hosts those files and TPB link to those files?</p><p>They would not be hosting any illegal content. Only linking to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens if they remove the torrents from their server .
Another server then hosts those files and TPB link to those files ? They would not be hosting any illegal content .
Only linking to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens if they remove the torrents from their server.
Another server then hosts those files and TPB link to those files?They would not be hosting any illegal content.
Only linking to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29853713</id>
	<title>Re:EU law</title>
	<author>Yokaze</author>
	<datestamp>1256310240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi, but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject.</p><p>The liberal party block tried a issue a statement which reprimanded the lack of freedom of expression in Italy due to the Berlusconi imperium.<br>What would the effects of that be, and what had that to do with the pending legal proceedings of Mr Berlusconi, besides the person himself?<br>Nothing and none.</p><p>&gt; Who did you vote?</p><p>As long it isn't Berlusconi, what would it matter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi , but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject.The liberal party block tried a issue a statement which reprimanded the lack of freedom of expression in Italy due to the Berlusconi imperium.What would the effects of that be , and what had that to do with the pending legal proceedings of Mr Berlusconi , besides the person himself ? Nothing and none. &gt; Who did you vote ? As long it is n't Berlusconi , what would it matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; EU Parliament tried to do something about Berlusconi, but the parties on the right blocked all declarations on the subject.The liberal party block tried a issue a statement which reprimanded the lack of freedom of expression in Italy due to the Berlusconi imperium.What would the effects of that be, and what had that to do with the pending legal proceedings of Mr Berlusconi, besides the person himself?Nothing and none.&gt; Who did you vote?As long it isn't Berlusconi, what would it matter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838747</id>
	<title>Jurisdiction?  Enforcement?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well that's all fine and dandy that the court orders them to do this.  I hereby order them to bring me a cake on my birthday, too.  What more authority does the Dutch court have than I?  Even more importantly, perhaps, how do they intend to enforce the court order, even if they do have jurisdiction?  I thought there was an article recently that TPB had moved their operations to some "untouchable" hosting facility somewhere.  This is not like an international case against a large and established company with substantial assets in a particular location that can be seized to pay a judgment.  These guys are as close to anonymous as you can get and still be an actual legal entity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well that 's all fine and dandy that the court orders them to do this .
I hereby order them to bring me a cake on my birthday , too .
What more authority does the Dutch court have than I ?
Even more importantly , perhaps , how do they intend to enforce the court order , even if they do have jurisdiction ?
I thought there was an article recently that TPB had moved their operations to some " untouchable " hosting facility somewhere .
This is not like an international case against a large and established company with substantial assets in a particular location that can be seized to pay a judgment .
These guys are as close to anonymous as you can get and still be an actual legal entity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well that's all fine and dandy that the court orders them to do this.
I hereby order them to bring me a cake on my birthday, too.
What more authority does the Dutch court have than I?
Even more importantly, perhaps, how do they intend to enforce the court order, even if they do have jurisdiction?
I thought there was an article recently that TPB had moved their operations to some "untouchable" hosting facility somewhere.
This is not like an international case against a large and established company with substantial assets in a particular location that can be seized to pay a judgment.
These guys are as close to anonymous as you can get and still be an actual legal entity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29838723</id>
	<title>EU law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256241720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be. It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else, the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once, seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once.
</p><p>The EU powers happily cooperate, EU law should rule all citizens except those in power as was made clear today when Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.
</p><p>Seems hosting a torrent in another country is bad. Controlling all media in another country, that is that others country business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be .
It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else , the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once , seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once .
The EU powers happily cooperate , EU law should rule all citizens except those in power as was made clear today when Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes .
Seems hosting a torrent in another country is bad .
Controlling all media in another country , that is that others country business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be.
It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else, the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once, seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once.
The EU powers happily cooperate, EU law should rule all citizens except those in power as was made clear today when Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.
Seems hosting a torrent in another country is bad.
Controlling all media in another country, that is that others country business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839351</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256244900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This post should be modded funny.  So, by your analysis any array of binary content has no value?  I'm sure you'll get tons of modding from the rest of the Slashdotters out there who download software, music, and movies for free rather than paying the programmers, artists, and producers who created them.  Just don't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this "valueless" content that you love to download so much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This post should be modded funny .
So , by your analysis any array of binary content has no value ?
I 'm sure you 'll get tons of modding from the rest of the Slashdotters out there who download software , music , and movies for free rather than paying the programmers , artists , and producers who created them .
Just do n't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this " valueless " content that you love to download so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post should be modded funny.
So, by your analysis any array of binary content has no value?
I'm sure you'll get tons of modding from the rest of the Slashdotters out there who download software, music, and movies for free rather than paying the programmers, artists, and producers who created them.
Just don't start crying about quality when fewer people are willing to take risks creating this "valueless" content that you love to download so much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839131</id>
	<title>Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement?</title>
	<author>spyfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1256243820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as they live in the EU the Dutch authorities can get them. Other member states will simply carry out the court ruling, i.e. collecting the fines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they live in the EU the Dutch authorities can get them .
Other member states will simply carry out the court ruling , i.e .
collecting the fines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they live in the EU the Dutch authorities can get them.
Other member states will simply carry out the court ruling, i.e.
collecting the fines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29842239</id>
	<title>Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256224260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with being a human with a flesh-and-blood body that resides in time-and-space is that governments with monopolies on the use of force within 2d jurisdictions mapped onto the 3d-sphere you inhabit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... will occasionally use guns or tasers and handcuffs to herd you into metal boxes. Regardless of your principles.</p><p>You can toy with the system for however long you toy with it. But realize that: in the world of asymmetric force that sovereign immunity confers upon the counter-party that you are are toying with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... when you lose, it can be very bad for your meat-puppet and its happiness for a long long time...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with being a human with a flesh-and-blood body that resides in time-and-space is that governments with monopolies on the use of force within 2d jurisdictions mapped onto the 3d-sphere you inhabit ... will occasionally use guns or tasers and handcuffs to herd you into metal boxes .
Regardless of your principles.You can toy with the system for however long you toy with it .
But realize that : in the world of asymmetric force that sovereign immunity confers upon the counter-party that you are are toying with ... when you lose , it can be very bad for your meat-puppet and its happiness for a long long time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with being a human with a flesh-and-blood body that resides in time-and-space is that governments with monopolies on the use of force within 2d jurisdictions mapped onto the 3d-sphere you inhabit ... will occasionally use guns or tasers and handcuffs to herd you into metal boxes.
Regardless of your principles.You can toy with the system for however long you toy with it.
But realize that: in the world of asymmetric force that sovereign immunity confers upon the counter-party that you are are toying with ... when you lose, it can be very bad for your meat-puppet and its happiness for a long long time...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29839235</id>
	<title>hits you on head with cold dry baguette</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1256244300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ce message contrevient aux normes fran&#231;aises d'utilisation d'un m&#233;dium interactif &#224; des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques.  Pri&#232;re de le d&#233;truire imm&#233;diatement, sacrebleu!</p><p>
  - Nicolas</p></div><p>This message violates the standards of French use of interactive medium for anti-patriotic propaganda. Please destroy it immediately.<br> <br>Am I close?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ce message contrevient aux normes fran   aises d'utilisation d'un m   dium interactif   des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques .
Pri   re de le d   truire imm   diatement , sacrebleu !
- NicolasThis message violates the standards of French use of interactive medium for anti-patriotic propaganda .
Please destroy it immediately .
Am I close ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ce message contrevient aux normes françaises d'utilisation d'un médium interactif à des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques.
Prière de le détruire immédiatement, sacrebleu!
- NicolasThis message violates the standards of French use of interactive medium for anti-patriotic propaganda.
Please destroy it immediately.
Am I close?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_22_1841217.29840529</id>
	<title>Re:As I've said before.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256208000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually do think there should be value to say a movie of transformers.  Why?  IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE otherwise.  And if it had been, it would have been the cheesiest fan produced work and an insult to the storyline.  If you don't like it, then why don't you accept that this is going to push content producers to lock up their content.  As in, if I were a movie maker, and all you freeloaders wanted to download something free, I would get to the point where I would stop selling dvd content and have the only way to watch be in the theater.  No digital content period.  Anything digitally reproduced is automatically a copyright violation.  After that.  Zip.  Didn't see it?  Too bad!  All you slashdotters are hilariously hypocritical.  You'll cry like spoiled children when programming jobs are shipped overseas, because all your "binary work" that you think of as valuable is getting thrown to the lowest bidder.  Then when something that cost millions of dollars to produce is sold to you for 10-20$ you think it should be given to you for practically nothing?  At least be consistent slashdotters.  Otherwise, see you in India.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually do think there should be value to say a movie of transformers .
Why ? IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE otherwise .
And if it had been , it would have been the cheesiest fan produced work and an insult to the storyline .
If you do n't like it , then why do n't you accept that this is going to push content producers to lock up their content .
As in , if I were a movie maker , and all you freeloaders wanted to download something free , I would get to the point where I would stop selling dvd content and have the only way to watch be in the theater .
No digital content period .
Anything digitally reproduced is automatically a copyright violation .
After that .
Zip. Did n't see it ?
Too bad !
All you slashdotters are hilariously hypocritical .
You 'll cry like spoiled children when programming jobs are shipped overseas , because all your " binary work " that you think of as valuable is getting thrown to the lowest bidder .
Then when something that cost millions of dollars to produce is sold to you for 10-20 $ you think it should be given to you for practically nothing ?
At least be consistent slashdotters .
Otherwise , see you in India .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually do think there should be value to say a movie of transformers.
Why?  IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE otherwise.
And if it had been, it would have been the cheesiest fan produced work and an insult to the storyline.
If you don't like it, then why don't you accept that this is going to push content producers to lock up their content.
As in, if I were a movie maker, and all you freeloaders wanted to download something free, I would get to the point where I would stop selling dvd content and have the only way to watch be in the theater.
No digital content period.
Anything digitally reproduced is automatically a copyright violation.
After that.
Zip.  Didn't see it?
Too bad!
All you slashdotters are hilariously hypocritical.
You'll cry like spoiled children when programming jobs are shipped overseas, because all your "binary work" that you think of as valuable is getting thrown to the lowest bidder.
Then when something that cost millions of dollars to produce is sold to you for 10-20$ you think it should be given to you for practically nothing?
At least be consistent slashdotters.
Otherwise, see you in India.</sentencetext>
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