<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_21_2120251</id>
	<title>Some Users Say Win7 Wants To Remove iTunes, Google Toolbar</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1256116980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Foofoobar writes <i>"Due to a strike with the UK's postal system, people in Great Britain are <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/2332251/Windows-7-Released-Early-In-UK">getting copies of Windows 7 early</a> and have already posted their experiences about the install process. Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/windows\_7\_reader\_reviews/">Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar</a> prior to installation."</i> The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Foofoobar writes " Due to a strike with the UK 's postal system , people in Great Britain are getting copies of Windows 7 early and have already posted their experiences about the install process .
Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar prior to installation .
" The article indicates that many of these early users , though , are having better luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foofoobar writes "Due to a strike with the UK's postal system, people in Great Britain are getting copies of Windows 7 early and have already posted their experiences about the install process.
Some have an easy time but others post installs taking 3 hours including Windows asking them to remove iTunes and Google toolbar prior to installation.
" The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829811</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS!</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1256125500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"most successful Windows upgrade" and "disaster" are not mutually exclusive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" most successful Windows upgrade " and " disaster " are not mutually exclusive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"most successful Windows upgrade" and "disaster" are not mutually exclusive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29838425</id>
	<title>upgrade fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256240160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run setup.exe on the DVD and select upgrade.  It tells me I can't continue and have to click 'close' because I have to restart to make 'changes', even though it was still in the 'Collecting Information' phase and I wasn't aware it had made any changes at all.  This is completely counterintitive, anyway.</p><p>So I restart my computer and the first thing that happens is the DVD drive is disabled with 'corrupted' drivers (error code 39 in device manager).  I try to boot the DVD from BIOS and it reports to me that since I started installing from within Vista earlier, I can't install directly from the DVD.  A system restore proves useless.  Of course Microsoft's 'search for a solution' was also useless.</p><p>Eventually I make the last resort of searching on google, and of course there's info on the exact same problem (install Windows 7, oops DVD drive broke) on a third party site, dated Jan 2009.  You'd think with almost a whole year to fix this ridiculously critical issue that Microsoft would get off their lazy asses, but no.  Of course the solution is far too complicated for your average schlub as it involves digging through the registry to delete the fragile UpperFilters and UpperFilters entries, which I recognize as a common solution for trying to fix the rickety, diapildated ASPI stack still failing it up in every Windows since 95.</p><p>Microsoft fails again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run setup.exe on the DVD and select upgrade .
It tells me I ca n't continue and have to click 'close ' because I have to restart to make 'changes ' , even though it was still in the 'Collecting Information ' phase and I was n't aware it had made any changes at all .
This is completely counterintitive , anyway.So I restart my computer and the first thing that happens is the DVD drive is disabled with 'corrupted ' drivers ( error code 39 in device manager ) .
I try to boot the DVD from BIOS and it reports to me that since I started installing from within Vista earlier , I ca n't install directly from the DVD .
A system restore proves useless .
Of course Microsoft 's 'search for a solution ' was also useless.Eventually I make the last resort of searching on google , and of course there 's info on the exact same problem ( install Windows 7 , oops DVD drive broke ) on a third party site , dated Jan 2009 .
You 'd think with almost a whole year to fix this ridiculously critical issue that Microsoft would get off their lazy asses , but no .
Of course the solution is far too complicated for your average schlub as it involves digging through the registry to delete the fragile UpperFilters and UpperFilters entries , which I recognize as a common solution for trying to fix the rickety , diapildated ASPI stack still failing it up in every Windows since 95.Microsoft fails again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run setup.exe on the DVD and select upgrade.
It tells me I can't continue and have to click 'close' because I have to restart to make 'changes', even though it was still in the 'Collecting Information' phase and I wasn't aware it had made any changes at all.
This is completely counterintitive, anyway.So I restart my computer and the first thing that happens is the DVD drive is disabled with 'corrupted' drivers (error code 39 in device manager).
I try to boot the DVD from BIOS and it reports to me that since I started installing from within Vista earlier, I can't install directly from the DVD.
A system restore proves useless.
Of course Microsoft's 'search for a solution' was also useless.Eventually I make the last resort of searching on google, and of course there's info on the exact same problem (install Windows 7, oops DVD drive broke) on a third party site, dated Jan 2009.
You'd think with almost a whole year to fix this ridiculously critical issue that Microsoft would get off their lazy asses, but no.
Of course the solution is far too complicated for your average schlub as it involves digging through the registry to delete the fragile UpperFilters and UpperFilters entries, which I recognize as a common solution for trying to fix the rickety, diapildated ASPI stack still failing it up in every Windows since 95.Microsoft fails again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829129</id>
	<title>Lie about windows to get posted on slashdot</title>
	<author>Useful Wheat</author>
	<datestamp>1256121540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did the poster even read the article? The summary is longer than the sentence that mentions this.</p><p>"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says. "Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar." What does the author say about this horrible, horrible thing? "I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced."</p><p>That's not sarcasm, that's not some biting commentary at microsoft, that is a user who is content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer. This is not an article about how microsoft is afraid of competition and squashes even the slightest attempt at competition, this is about how 3 people were relatively happy with their instillations.</p><p>The poster picked the single most insignificant statement out of context, and made it their headline. I'm not sure if the poster was being ironic, or trying to troll linux fans into reading a pro-microsoft article, but the summary has almost nothing to do with the article.</p><p>The upgrade didn't make you purge your computer of open source software. Windows 7 didn't make you uninstall OO.O, or even Lotus Notes (which really, needs to die). The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the poster even read the article ?
The summary is longer than the sentence that mentions this .
" The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install , " he says .
" Which I did , it was some drivers , iTunes and the Google Toolbar .
" What does the author say about this horrible , horrible thing ?
" I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced .
" That 's not sarcasm , that 's not some biting commentary at microsoft , that is a user who is content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer .
This is not an article about how microsoft is afraid of competition and squashes even the slightest attempt at competition , this is about how 3 people were relatively happy with their instillations.The poster picked the single most insignificant statement out of context , and made it their headline .
I 'm not sure if the poster was being ironic , or trying to troll linux fans into reading a pro-microsoft article , but the summary has almost nothing to do with the article.The upgrade did n't make you purge your computer of open source software .
Windows 7 did n't make you uninstall OO.O , or even Lotus Notes ( which really , needs to die ) .
The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor 's software , it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the poster even read the article?
The summary is longer than the sentence that mentions this.
"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says.
"Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar.
" What does the author say about this horrible, horrible thing?
"I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced.
"That's not sarcasm, that's not some biting commentary at microsoft, that is a user who is content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer.
This is not an article about how microsoft is afraid of competition and squashes even the slightest attempt at competition, this is about how 3 people were relatively happy with their instillations.The poster picked the single most insignificant statement out of context, and made it their headline.
I'm not sure if the poster was being ironic, or trying to troll linux fans into reading a pro-microsoft article, but the summary has almost nothing to do with the article.The upgrade didn't make you purge your computer of open source software.
Windows 7 didn't make you uninstall OO.O, or even Lotus Notes (which really, needs to die).
The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829905</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1256126100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.</p></div><p>You're generalising. I've had:</p><ul>
<li>Servers that have been in continuous operation for 5+ years and have been upgraded over several major version changes.</li><li>A Windows machine from that cleanly upgraded from 98 - NT4 - 2000. (I haven't run Windows on my own hardware since)</li><li>A home computer that has been continuously upgraded from Ubuntu 6.10.</li><li>A Mac laptop that was cleanly upgraded from 10.2 - 10.3 - 10.5</li></ul><p>In fact, while I have on rare occasions found it easier to install afresh than to upgrade, that's been the exception, not the rule.</p><p>The problem is not n00bs who are naive enough not to plan their way through an upgrade. The problem is junior and intermediate geeks who think the sum of their knowledge and experience is all there is. Upgrades require care and attention and planning. Just because it's currently beyond your capacity to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if these people * * REALLY * * believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion , let alone MS Windows , will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards , then they probably should n't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.You 're generalising .
I 've had : Servers that have been in continuous operation for 5 + years and have been upgraded over several major version changes.A Windows machine from that cleanly upgraded from 98 - NT4 - 2000 .
( I have n't run Windows on my own hardware since ) A home computer that has been continuously upgraded from Ubuntu 6.10.A Mac laptop that was cleanly upgraded from 10.2 - 10.3 - 10.5In fact , while I have on rare occasions found it easier to install afresh than to upgrade , that 's been the exception , not the rule.The problem is not n00bs who are naive enough not to plan their way through an upgrade .
The problem is junior and intermediate geeks who think the sum of their knowledge and experience is all there is .
Upgrades require care and attention and planning .
Just because it 's currently beyond your capacity to do it does n't mean it ca n't be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.You're generalising.
I've had:
Servers that have been in continuous operation for 5+ years and have been upgraded over several major version changes.A Windows machine from that cleanly upgraded from 98 - NT4 - 2000.
(I haven't run Windows on my own hardware since)A home computer that has been continuously upgraded from Ubuntu 6.10.A Mac laptop that was cleanly upgraded from 10.2 - 10.3 - 10.5In fact, while I have on rare occasions found it easier to install afresh than to upgrade, that's been the exception, not the rule.The problem is not n00bs who are naive enough not to plan their way through an upgrade.
The problem is junior and intermediate geeks who think the sum of their knowledge and experience is all there is.
Upgrades require care and attention and planning.
Just because it's currently beyond your capacity to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833931</id>
	<title>Re:I refuse to use it.</title>
	<author>nmg196</author>
	<datestamp>1256218140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh? It comes with Explorer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
It comes with Explorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
It comes with Explorer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829141</id>
	<title>Well, whatever it takes, right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, as others have pointed out, I guess it is necessary to make sure it installs correctly. And the article itself seems generally positive.</p><p>And we have a lot to look forever to. I guess you can say Windows is the Titanic of operating systems, completely unsinkable, and by that, I mean virus proof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , as others have pointed out , I guess it is necessary to make sure it installs correctly .
And the article itself seems generally positive.And we have a lot to look forever to .
I guess you can say Windows is the Titanic of operating systems , completely unsinkable , and by that , I mean virus proof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, as others have pointed out, I guess it is necessary to make sure it installs correctly.
And the article itself seems generally positive.And we have a lot to look forever to.
I guess you can say Windows is the Titanic of operating systems, completely unsinkable, and by that, I mean virus proof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829335</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Kelson</author>
	<datestamp>1256122560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it reminds me of upgrading a Linux system that uses third-party repositories.  You always get a warning that some things might not work correctly.</p><p>Now, if it silently uninstalled iTunes, that would be something else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it reminds me of upgrading a Linux system that uses third-party repositories .
You always get a warning that some things might not work correctly.Now , if it silently uninstalled iTunes , that would be something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it reminds me of upgrading a Linux system that uses third-party repositories.
You always get a warning that some things might not work correctly.Now, if it silently uninstalled iTunes, that would be something else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828995</id>
	<title>Summary is Misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA says Windwos7 asks you to remove some drivers and apps and then successfully re-installs them when done. That's not quite what the summary implies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA says Windwos7 asks you to remove some drivers and apps and then successfully re-installs them when done .
That 's not quite what the summary implies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA says Windwos7 asks you to remove some drivers and apps and then successfully re-installs them when done.
That's not quite what the summary implies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829447</id>
	<title>Re:Lie about windows to get posted on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256123160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.</p></div><p>I can even tell you specifically why those 2 programs should be uninstalled then reinstalled after the upgrade. No, it's not because Microsoft's trying to stick it to competitors.</p><p>iTunes messes with your USB stack by installing system-level drivers, and since the whole underlying OS is changing, those drivers will likely not work right after an upgrade for reasons that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who considers themselves 'good with computers'.  The best practice is to let the iTunes installer see that it's installing on Windows 7 and configure the drivers correctly for the new OS.</p><p>Google Toolbar installs differently depending on which version of Internet Explorer it's installing into.   Vista users may be using IE7, whereas Windows 7 comes with IE8.   Technically using the IE7 interfaces to extend IE8 is supported, but it forces some backward-compatibility hacks to be enabled, which slows the entire browser down.  By uninstalling and reinstalling after the upgrade, you get the IE8 version of the Google Toolbar and it runs better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor 's software , it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.I can even tell you specifically why those 2 programs should be uninstalled then reinstalled after the upgrade .
No , it 's not because Microsoft 's trying to stick it to competitors.iTunes messes with your USB stack by installing system-level drivers , and since the whole underlying OS is changing , those drivers will likely not work right after an upgrade for reasons that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who considers themselves 'good with computers' .
The best practice is to let the iTunes installer see that it 's installing on Windows 7 and configure the drivers correctly for the new OS.Google Toolbar installs differently depending on which version of Internet Explorer it 's installing into .
Vista users may be using IE7 , whereas Windows 7 comes with IE8 .
Technically using the IE7 interfaces to extend IE8 is supported , but it forces some backward-compatibility hacks to be enabled , which slows the entire browser down .
By uninstalling and reinstalling after the upgrade , you get the IE8 version of the Google Toolbar and it runs better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upgrade did not purge your computer of competitor's software, it just so happened that those 2 programs needed to be reinstalled.I can even tell you specifically why those 2 programs should be uninstalled then reinstalled after the upgrade.
No, it's not because Microsoft's trying to stick it to competitors.iTunes messes with your USB stack by installing system-level drivers, and since the whole underlying OS is changing, those drivers will likely not work right after an upgrade for reasons that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who considers themselves 'good with computers'.
The best practice is to let the iTunes installer see that it's installing on Windows 7 and configure the drivers correctly for the new OS.Google Toolbar installs differently depending on which version of Internet Explorer it's installing into.
Vista users may be using IE7, whereas Windows 7 comes with IE8.
Technically using the IE7 interfaces to extend IE8 is supported, but it forces some backward-compatibility hacks to be enabled, which slows the entire browser down.
By uninstalling and reinstalling after the upgrade, you get the IE8 version of the Google Toolbar and it runs better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829483</id>
	<title>Great they got it right now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256123400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, the windows malware scanner finally works! yay!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , the windows malware scanner finally works !
yay !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, the windows malware scanner finally works!
yay!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832035</id>
	<title>Re:About iTunes -- from the article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256148360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the case of iTunes, this is probably actually a good thing because of activation.</p><p>Over the years I've maxed the available 5 authorizations iTunes allows on my user account for protected content by forgetting to deauthorize my machines before reinstalling, migrating, etc. Since then, I've been very careful.</p><p>Fortunately, with the advent of iTunes Plus, it's not an issue with most content -- and prior music purchases at least have been since converted to non-protected formats. That said, I do still have some old music video movie purchases that do require activation still. I can't actually think of the last time I've viewed these, though, so their novelty is lost anyhow and I've since practiced more informed consumer purchasing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the case of iTunes , this is probably actually a good thing because of activation.Over the years I 've maxed the available 5 authorizations iTunes allows on my user account for protected content by forgetting to deauthorize my machines before reinstalling , migrating , etc .
Since then , I 've been very careful.Fortunately , with the advent of iTunes Plus , it 's not an issue with most content -- and prior music purchases at least have been since converted to non-protected formats .
That said , I do still have some old music video movie purchases that do require activation still .
I ca n't actually think of the last time I 've viewed these , though , so their novelty is lost anyhow and I 've since practiced more informed consumer purchasing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the case of iTunes, this is probably actually a good thing because of activation.Over the years I've maxed the available 5 authorizations iTunes allows on my user account for protected content by forgetting to deauthorize my machines before reinstalling, migrating, etc.
Since then, I've been very careful.Fortunately, with the advent of iTunes Plus, it's not an issue with most content -- and prior music purchases at least have been since converted to non-protected formats.
That said, I do still have some old music video movie purchases that do require activation still.
I can't actually think of the last time I've viewed these, though, so their novelty is lost anyhow and I've since practiced more informed consumer purchasing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830263</id>
	<title>Re:About iTunes -- from the article</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1256128920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.</i> </p><p>Microsoft isn't the only company that has problems with the Google Toolbar during upgrades.  I've gone through a few Firefox upgrades.  On more than one occasion I've been told that the version of the Google Toolbar that I had installed couldn't be upgraded and that I would have to manually download a newer version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall , it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him .
Microsoft is n't the only company that has problems with the Google Toolbar during upgrades .
I 've gone through a few Firefox upgrades .
On more than one occasion I 've been told that the version of the Google Toolbar that I had installed could n't be upgraded and that I would have to manually download a newer version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.
Microsoft isn't the only company that has problems with the Google Toolbar during upgrades.
I've gone through a few Firefox upgrades.
On more than one occasion I've been told that the version of the Google Toolbar that I had installed couldn't be upgraded and that I would have to manually download a newer version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832519</id>
	<title>no advertisements please</title>
	<author>Ofloo</author>
	<datestamp>1256242740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This might seem ridicules, but I don't see why a company like microsoft should include software that isn't theirs,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. to begin with, I wouldn't want google tool bar to be installed, neither itunes,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I wouldn't want a microsoft replacement either, I just don't want any junk to be installed on my system. Why should I install stuff that I'm not using. I am able to type google.com in my browser and go to itunes if I need it.

I wouldn't want any advertisement of any kind in a system I pay for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This might seem ridicules , but I do n't see why a company like microsoft should include software that is n't theirs , .. to begin with , I would n't want google tool bar to be installed , neither itunes , .. I would n't want a microsoft replacement either , I just do n't want any junk to be installed on my system .
Why should I install stuff that I 'm not using .
I am able to type google.com in my browser and go to itunes if I need it .
I would n't want any advertisement of any kind in a system I pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might seem ridicules, but I don't see why a company like microsoft should include software that isn't theirs, .. to begin with, I wouldn't want google tool bar to be installed, neither itunes, .. I wouldn't want a microsoft replacement either, I just don't want any junk to be installed on my system.
Why should I install stuff that I'm not using.
I am able to type google.com in my browser and go to itunes if I need it.
I wouldn't want any advertisement of any kind in a system I pay for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829061</id>
	<title>Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a crappy, dishonest summary! I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much. Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., <b>but then it reinstalled them!</b> And everything worked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a crappy , dishonest summary !
I despise MS as much as anyone , but this is too much .
Yes , it asked them to remove iTunes , etc. , but then it reinstalled them !
And everything worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a crappy, dishonest summary!
I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much.
Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., but then it reinstalled them!
And everything worked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834089</id>
	<title>Re:Ya well no surprise</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1256219400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really.</p><p>I've been quite happy to bash MS for almost everything they do for more than 15 years now. I'm quite relaxed. If Win7 is a really good product with no major flaws, it would be a first. If they don't show up now, they will show up later. Maybe they've become better at hiding them.</p><p>The people trying to turn the initial positive reviews on their heads are young and stupid. They don't have the experience with hating MS that most of us do. They don't know that MS is expert at disappointing, even if the initial hype is well engineered and the major flaws hidden too deep. Also, they forget that after Vista, it was pretty much impossible to come up with something that wouldn't look good in comparison.</p><p>And hey, after almost 20 years of trying, let's give MS the credit for coming up with a halfway acceptable system, shall we? Where's the joy in hating them if they'd produce only crap? No, the substandard-but-acceptable stuff belongs there, too. It makes the next failure more enjoyable.</p><p>So in summary: No. You are dead wrong. The real, experienced zealots are quite happy to delay satisfaction and wait until the polish has gone and the hype machine died down, and people start to use Win7 for some serious gaming/work. We know that you can make almost any car look good on the test drive. It's the daily use and the first maintainance where you find out if you've been had.</p><p>We'll wait until then. We won't even say "told you so", because that became old with Vista. We'll just smile and shrug.</p><p>And if it never happens, if Win7 turns out to be adequate after all, we'll just shrug and wait for Win8.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really.I 've been quite happy to bash MS for almost everything they do for more than 15 years now .
I 'm quite relaxed .
If Win7 is a really good product with no major flaws , it would be a first .
If they do n't show up now , they will show up later .
Maybe they 've become better at hiding them.The people trying to turn the initial positive reviews on their heads are young and stupid .
They do n't have the experience with hating MS that most of us do .
They do n't know that MS is expert at disappointing , even if the initial hype is well engineered and the major flaws hidden too deep .
Also , they forget that after Vista , it was pretty much impossible to come up with something that would n't look good in comparison.And hey , after almost 20 years of trying , let 's give MS the credit for coming up with a halfway acceptable system , shall we ?
Where 's the joy in hating them if they 'd produce only crap ?
No , the substandard-but-acceptable stuff belongs there , too .
It makes the next failure more enjoyable.So in summary : No .
You are dead wrong .
The real , experienced zealots are quite happy to delay satisfaction and wait until the polish has gone and the hype machine died down , and people start to use Win7 for some serious gaming/work .
We know that you can make almost any car look good on the test drive .
It 's the daily use and the first maintainance where you find out if you 've been had.We 'll wait until then .
We wo n't even say " told you so " , because that became old with Vista .
We 'll just smile and shrug.And if it never happens , if Win7 turns out to be adequate after all , we 'll just shrug and wait for Win8 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.I've been quite happy to bash MS for almost everything they do for more than 15 years now.
I'm quite relaxed.
If Win7 is a really good product with no major flaws, it would be a first.
If they don't show up now, they will show up later.
Maybe they've become better at hiding them.The people trying to turn the initial positive reviews on their heads are young and stupid.
They don't have the experience with hating MS that most of us do.
They don't know that MS is expert at disappointing, even if the initial hype is well engineered and the major flaws hidden too deep.
Also, they forget that after Vista, it was pretty much impossible to come up with something that wouldn't look good in comparison.And hey, after almost 20 years of trying, let's give MS the credit for coming up with a halfway acceptable system, shall we?
Where's the joy in hating them if they'd produce only crap?
No, the substandard-but-acceptable stuff belongs there, too.
It makes the next failure more enjoyable.So in summary: No.
You are dead wrong.
The real, experienced zealots are quite happy to delay satisfaction and wait until the polish has gone and the hype machine died down, and people start to use Win7 for some serious gaming/work.
We know that you can make almost any car look good on the test drive.
It's the daily use and the first maintainance where you find out if you've been had.We'll wait until then.
We won't even say "told you so", because that became old with Vista.
We'll just smile and shrug.And if it never happens, if Win7 turns out to be adequate after all, we'll just shrug and wait for Win8.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833033</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1256207160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if you consider the fact that there is no direct XP &gt; Win7 in-place upgrade path, anyone "upgrading" to Win7 is coming from Vista (which has a direct in-place upgrade path). And as we all know, anyone who is running Vista is fsck'd already. So what's the issue?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>Sarcasm aside, I have done MANY Win7 installs going all the way back to the earliest beta (we are an MS Partner). I learned a LONG time ago that you NEVER upgrade to a new Windows version. It's always backup/wipe/install/restore. I have never had a problem doing this, but I have to say that Win7 is by FAR the easiest OS install I have ever used. And I've installed and worked with practically every major OS over the past 20+ years including many versions of DOS, 16-bit Windows 3.x, 32-bit Windows (9x and NT kernels), BeOS, Solaris and OpenSolaris, many different Linux distros, FreeBSD, FreeNAS and OSX.</p><p>As long as you make sure you have any necessary drivers, Win7 installs are easy. And never do an in-place upgrade on Windows. Ever.</p><p>PS: Please take my Vista comment with a large grain of salt. I've been running Vista SP2 x64 on my main workstation for over half a year now with zero OS issues. When Vista came out, it just plain sucked and was not ready to be released. When SP1 was released, the situation improved dramatically and the poor driver situation at launch had been largely resolved over time. I'm generally pleased with it now, in fact I'm on the fence regarding a Win7 install on that machine, is it really worth the whole backup/wipe/install/restore process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you consider the fact that there is no direct XP &gt; Win7 in-place upgrade path , anyone " upgrading " to Win7 is coming from Vista ( which has a direct in-place upgrade path ) .
And as we all know , anyone who is running Vista is fsck 'd already .
So what 's the issue ?
: PSarcasm aside , I have done MANY Win7 installs going all the way back to the earliest beta ( we are an MS Partner ) .
I learned a LONG time ago that you NEVER upgrade to a new Windows version .
It 's always backup/wipe/install/restore .
I have never had a problem doing this , but I have to say that Win7 is by FAR the easiest OS install I have ever used .
And I 've installed and worked with practically every major OS over the past 20 + years including many versions of DOS , 16-bit Windows 3.x , 32-bit Windows ( 9x and NT kernels ) , BeOS , Solaris and OpenSolaris , many different Linux distros , FreeBSD , FreeNAS and OSX.As long as you make sure you have any necessary drivers , Win7 installs are easy .
And never do an in-place upgrade on Windows .
Ever.PS : Please take my Vista comment with a large grain of salt .
I 've been running Vista SP2 x64 on my main workstation for over half a year now with zero OS issues .
When Vista came out , it just plain sucked and was not ready to be released .
When SP1 was released , the situation improved dramatically and the poor driver situation at launch had been largely resolved over time .
I 'm generally pleased with it now , in fact I 'm on the fence regarding a Win7 install on that machine , is it really worth the whole backup/wipe/install/restore process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you consider the fact that there is no direct XP &gt; Win7 in-place upgrade path, anyone "upgrading" to Win7 is coming from Vista (which has a direct in-place upgrade path).
And as we all know, anyone who is running Vista is fsck'd already.
So what's the issue?
:PSarcasm aside, I have done MANY Win7 installs going all the way back to the earliest beta (we are an MS Partner).
I learned a LONG time ago that you NEVER upgrade to a new Windows version.
It's always backup/wipe/install/restore.
I have never had a problem doing this, but I have to say that Win7 is by FAR the easiest OS install I have ever used.
And I've installed and worked with practically every major OS over the past 20+ years including many versions of DOS, 16-bit Windows 3.x, 32-bit Windows (9x and NT kernels), BeOS, Solaris and OpenSolaris, many different Linux distros, FreeBSD, FreeNAS and OSX.As long as you make sure you have any necessary drivers, Win7 installs are easy.
And never do an in-place upgrade on Windows.
Ever.PS: Please take my Vista comment with a large grain of salt.
I've been running Vista SP2 x64 on my main workstation for over half a year now with zero OS issues.
When Vista came out, it just plain sucked and was not ready to be released.
When SP1 was released, the situation improved dramatically and the poor driver situation at launch had been largely resolved over time.
I'm generally pleased with it now, in fact I'm on the fence regarding a Win7 install on that machine, is it really worth the whole backup/wipe/install/restore process.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29873019</id>
	<title>iTunes works fine. This article is immaterial.</title>
	<author>alichfield</author>
	<datestamp>1256574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I installed Windows 7 without any comment about iTunes. I feel like the Google toolbar is redundant in that all browsers have a built-in search bar at the top, so I did not test it. As with any new OS install, I had to re-install iTunes and it installed without a single hiccup.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Windows 7 without any comment about iTunes .
I feel like the Google toolbar is redundant in that all browsers have a built-in search bar at the top , so I did not test it .
As with any new OS install , I had to re-install iTunes and it installed without a single hiccup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Windows 7 without any comment about iTunes.
I feel like the Google toolbar is redundant in that all browsers have a built-in search bar at the top, so I did not test it.
As with any new OS install, I had to re-install iTunes and it installed without a single hiccup.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29842303</id>
	<title>Hottest Selling The Lastest Version Gucci sweater</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256224860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>(1)We accept paypal.<br>(2)We supply all brand shoes, clothing, fashion accessory and electronic products. Sneakers, tshirts, jeans, hats, mobile,MP4<br>(3)Shipping time: 5-7 working days.<br>Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8<br>Assortment :<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Payment : T/T, PAYPAL, Money Gram<br>Shipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED. Which carrier we used just depends on customer? order quantity.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; OUR WEBSITE:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>          Http : //www.tntshoes.com ( 1 ) We accept paypal .
( 2 ) We supply all brand shoes , clothing , fashion accessory and electronic products .
Sneakers , tshirts , jeans , hats , mobile,MP4 ( 3 ) Shipping time : 5-7 working days.Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8Assortment :       Payment : T/T , PAYPAL , Money GramShipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED .
Which carrier we used just depends on customer ?
order quantity .
      OUR WEBSITE :                                                       YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                               HTTP : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
          Http://www.tntshoes.com(1)We accept paypal.
(2)We supply all brand shoes, clothing, fashion accessory and electronic products.
Sneakers, tshirts, jeans, hats, mobile,MP4(3)Shipping time: 5-7 working days.Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8Assortment :
      Payment : T/T, PAYPAL, Money GramShipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED.
Which carrier we used just depends on customer?
order quantity.
      OUR WEBSITE:
                                                      YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
                                                                              HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831567</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256142060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft.</p></div><p>I agree. I got quite angry with the Net community in general about all the complaints people had about Vista. When I purchased a laptop that was preloaded with Vista for my wife, I booted it up with my XP disc in hand ready to wipe off the "abomination" only to find that so most of what I had read about the OS was a complete lie.</p><p>It was not slow, buggy or so infested with DRM that you couldn't do anything. Even after that I still got caught up in what people said and at one stage I had an argument with the missus about whether she could rip a CD in MP3 format. XP couldn't do it, and with all the supposed extra DRM in Vista I felt sure that it wouldn't work with anything other than WMA format. I was wrong.</p><p>Even just today I came across someone who made the claim that <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1412623&amp;cid=29823061" title="slashdot.org">Windows 7 is NOT as or Faster than XP. PERIOD</a> [slashdot.org] despite TFA clearly showing that this was untrue.</p><p>You are absolutely correct. If you need to lie about about non-existent bad things in Vista, then any the legitimate complaints (eg. network stacks that slow down when any sound is playing) will look suspect too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly , the less I despise Microsoft.I agree .
I got quite angry with the Net community in general about all the complaints people had about Vista .
When I purchased a laptop that was preloaded with Vista for my wife , I booted it up with my XP disc in hand ready to wipe off the " abomination " only to find that so most of what I had read about the OS was a complete lie.It was not slow , buggy or so infested with DRM that you could n't do anything .
Even after that I still got caught up in what people said and at one stage I had an argument with the missus about whether she could rip a CD in MP3 format .
XP could n't do it , and with all the supposed extra DRM in Vista I felt sure that it would n't work with anything other than WMA format .
I was wrong.Even just today I came across someone who made the claim that Windows 7 is NOT as or Faster than XP .
PERIOD [ slashdot.org ] despite TFA clearly showing that this was untrue.You are absolutely correct .
If you need to lie about about non-existent bad things in Vista , then any the legitimate complaints ( eg .
network stacks that slow down when any sound is playing ) will look suspect too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft.I agree.
I got quite angry with the Net community in general about all the complaints people had about Vista.
When I purchased a laptop that was preloaded with Vista for my wife, I booted it up with my XP disc in hand ready to wipe off the "abomination" only to find that so most of what I had read about the OS was a complete lie.It was not slow, buggy or so infested with DRM that you couldn't do anything.
Even after that I still got caught up in what people said and at one stage I had an argument with the missus about whether she could rip a CD in MP3 format.
XP couldn't do it, and with all the supposed extra DRM in Vista I felt sure that it wouldn't work with anything other than WMA format.
I was wrong.Even just today I came across someone who made the claim that Windows 7 is NOT as or Faster than XP.
PERIOD [slashdot.org] despite TFA clearly showing that this was untrue.You are absolutely correct.
If you need to lie about about non-existent bad things in Vista, then any the legitimate complaints (eg.
network stacks that slow down when any sound is playing) will look suspect too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29839911</id>
	<title>Yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256204640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It asked me to remove Google Toolbar too.  The simple solution?  I didn't do what it asked.  Upgrade still went smoothly.  Frankly I don't even remember installing Google Toolbar, though, so I'll be researching just where it came from when I get home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It asked me to remove Google Toolbar too .
The simple solution ?
I did n't do what it asked .
Upgrade still went smoothly .
Frankly I do n't even remember installing Google Toolbar , though , so I 'll be researching just where it came from when I get home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It asked me to remove Google Toolbar too.
The simple solution?
I didn't do what it asked.
Upgrade still went smoothly.
Frankly I don't even remember installing Google Toolbar, though, so I'll be researching just where it came from when I get home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830643</id>
	<title>Early?</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1256131680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had it for a week or two now. Just installed it on bare metal yesterday (as opposed to a VM).</p><p>Apparently MSDN Academic Alliance gets it just as early.</p><p>My biggest issue is: <i>eight gigs</i>? Really?</p><p>Other than that, it does seem to be an improvement over XP, so far. And fresh installs are almost always better than upgrades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had it for a week or two now .
Just installed it on bare metal yesterday ( as opposed to a VM ) .Apparently MSDN Academic Alliance gets it just as early.My biggest issue is : eight gigs ?
Really ? Other than that , it does seem to be an improvement over XP , so far .
And fresh installs are almost always better than upgrades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had it for a week or two now.
Just installed it on bare metal yesterday (as opposed to a VM).Apparently MSDN Academic Alliance gets it just as early.My biggest issue is: eight gigs?
Really?Other than that, it does seem to be an improvement over XP, so far.
And fresh installs are almost always better than upgrades.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831323</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1256139060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are wrong, it is only Windows that has this problem, because of the registery and dll mess.</p><p>NO OTHER OS has this problem. Because they are designed better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are wrong , it is only Windows that has this problem , because of the registery and dll mess.NO OTHER OS has this problem .
Because they are designed better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are wrong, it is only Windows that has this problem, because of the registery and dll mess.NO OTHER OS has this problem.
Because they are designed better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831123</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>p.rican</author>
	<datestamp>1256136420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to say the same thing about the review and I assumed you must be new here but then I saw  your user id.......never mind......carry on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to say the same thing about the review and I assumed you must be new here but then I saw your user id.......never mind......carry on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to say the same thing about the review and I assumed you must be new here but then I saw  your user id.......never mind......carry on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831083</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1256135940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots</i></p><p>Look like?</p><p>(Note: I got rid of the "with an agenda" part after seeing their disastrous attempts to improve the site over the last year, and their stalwart refusal to read or fix bug reports.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes Slashdot look like it 's run by a bunch of idiotsLook like ?
( Note : I got rid of the " with an agenda " part after seeing their disastrous attempts to improve the site over the last year , and their stalwart refusal to read or fix bug reports .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiotsLook like?
(Note: I got rid of the "with an agenda" part after seeing their disastrous attempts to improve the site over the last year, and their stalwart refusal to read or fix bug reports.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831651</id>
	<title>FSF's take on the subject</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256143080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://windows7sins.org/" title="windows7sins.org" rel="nofollow">http://windows7sins.org/</a> [windows7sins.org]</p><p>They make some good points.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //windows7sins.org/ [ windows7sins.org ] They make some good points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://windows7sins.org/ [windows7sins.org]They make some good points.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830537</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256130840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You could make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in Windows</p></div><p>OS X doesn't have a perfect record in this regard either...users that have installed haxies have routinely had even more serious problems in the past when upgrading to a new version of OS X. Microsoft at least gets points for identifying major software that could cause problems and building warnings into the install process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in WindowsOS X does n't have a perfect record in this regard either...users that have installed haxies have routinely had even more serious problems in the past when upgrading to a new version of OS X. Microsoft at least gets points for identifying major software that could cause problems and building warnings into the install process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in WindowsOS X doesn't have a perfect record in this regard either...users that have installed haxies have routinely had even more serious problems in the past when upgrading to a new version of OS X. Microsoft at least gets points for identifying major software that could cause problems and building warnings into the install process.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829495</id>
	<title>No problems here...  Old versions maybe?</title>
	<author>Anonymous Freak</author>
	<datestamp>1256123400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>eh, I had no problems with the latest versions of both iTunes and Google Desktop (which includes Google Toolbar.)</p><p>Maybe they had older versions?</p><p>Heck, I had more compatibility issues upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>eh , I had no problems with the latest versions of both iTunes and Google Desktop ( which includes Google Toolbar .
) Maybe they had older versions ? Heck , I had more compatibility issues upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eh, I had no problems with the latest versions of both iTunes and Google Desktop (which includes Google Toolbar.
)Maybe they had older versions?Heck, I had more compatibility issues upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829691</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, FFS!</title>
	<author>bendodge</author>
	<datestamp>1256124720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You missed the point.<br>iTunes got reinstalled. Google Toolbar didn't. That's the real story here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the point.iTunes got reinstalled .
Google Toolbar did n't .
That 's the real story here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the point.iTunes got reinstalled.
Google Toolbar didn't.
That's the real story here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829017</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829935</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1256126340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any point</i></p><p>FYI, DVD Player should have come in the Apps folder on the first machine you bought that shipped with a DVD-ROM drive.  Apps are never deleted as part of the migration process so I think something else was involved.</p><p>Although, when you run install disks and do a clean (erase &amp;) install, sometimes apps and drivers are not installed if not needed - you won't get the photobooth app or camera drivers when you install tiger on a mac mini for example.  If you then cloned that hard drive to another mac that had a camera, you'd have to somehow reinstall those drivers and apps.  The DVD player app is not installed in a clean install on a mac that doesn't have a DVD ROM drive. (but the drivers are installed)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any pointFYI , DVD Player should have come in the Apps folder on the first machine you bought that shipped with a DVD-ROM drive .
Apps are never deleted as part of the migration process so I think something else was involved.Although , when you run install disks and do a clean ( erase &amp; ) install , sometimes apps and drivers are not installed if not needed - you wo n't get the photobooth app or camera drivers when you install tiger on a mac mini for example .
If you then cloned that hard drive to another mac that had a camera , you 'd have to somehow reinstall those drivers and apps .
The DVD player app is not installed in a clean install on a mac that does n't have a DVD ROM drive .
( but the drivers are installed )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any pointFYI, DVD Player should have come in the Apps folder on the first machine you bought that shipped with a DVD-ROM drive.
Apps are never deleted as part of the migration process so I think something else was involved.Although, when you run install disks and do a clean (erase &amp;) install, sometimes apps and drivers are not installed if not needed - you won't get the photobooth app or camera drivers when you install tiger on a mac mini for example.
If you then cloned that hard drive to another mac that had a camera, you'd have to somehow reinstall those drivers and apps.
The DVD player app is not installed in a clean install on a mac that doesn't have a DVD ROM drive.
(but the drivers are installed)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830005</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256126940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen several different versions of iTunes cause BSODs, break CD burning/reading, and much more on XP and Vista both.</p><p>A music player causing BSODs?</p><p>WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen several different versions of iTunes cause BSODs , break CD burning/reading , and much more on XP and Vista both.A music player causing BSODs ? WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen several different versions of iTunes cause BSODs, break CD burning/reading, and much more on XP and Vista both.A music player causing BSODs?WTF?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831103</id>
	<title>Attractive! Artful Dodger Jean And Babyphat tracks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256136300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>Hi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos<br>we have large brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, 300000\% best quality with the amazing price. please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website, if interested, please email me by  Http://www.tntshoes.com   or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products,</p><p>
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<tokenext>Http : //www.tntshoes.comHi friend , we are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe have large brand new shoes,clothing , handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale , 300000 \ % best quality with the amazing price .
please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website , if interested , please email me by Http : //www.tntshoes.com or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products ,   OUR WEBSITE :                                                           Http : //www.tntshoes.com                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Http://www.tntshoes.comHi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe have large brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, 300000\% best quality with the amazing price.
please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website, if interested, please email me by  Http://www.tntshoes.com   or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products,
  OUR WEBSITE:
                                                          Http://www.tntshoes.com
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828973</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>Kratisto</author>
	<datestamp>1256120820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows 7 recognizes how bad iTunes is?  Even XP can't do that!  I'm switching right now... Where'd I put my MSDNAA login?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 recognizes how bad iTunes is ?
Even XP ca n't do that !
I 'm switching right now... Where 'd I put my MSDNAA login ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 recognizes how bad iTunes is?
Even XP can't do that!
I'm switching right now... Where'd I put my MSDNAA login?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830051</id>
	<title>Re:About iTunes -- from the article</title>
	<author>DevStar</author>
	<datestamp>1256127300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not that suspicious.  It asked me to uninstall SQL Server 2008 and MagicDisc.  I uninstalled Magic Disk, but SQL Server I decided to roll the dice on, because it is a pain getting it set back up the way I like it on my dev box.  A month or so later, no problems (I'm on MSDN).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that suspicious .
It asked me to uninstall SQL Server 2008 and MagicDisc .
I uninstalled Magic Disk , but SQL Server I decided to roll the dice on , because it is a pain getting it set back up the way I like it on my dev box .
A month or so later , no problems ( I 'm on MSDN ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that suspicious.
It asked me to uninstall SQL Server 2008 and MagicDisc.
I uninstalled Magic Disk, but SQL Server I decided to roll the dice on, because it is a pain getting it set back up the way I like it on my dev box.
A month or so later, no problems (I'm on MSDN).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829013</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828953</id>
	<title>Sounds good to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway. If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime, I'd be a happy camper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway .
If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime , I 'd be a happy camper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes and Google Toolbar are annoyances anyway.
If they could permanently get rid of Quicktime, I'd be a happy camper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831999</id>
	<title>Also seems to be blocking iTunes from start menu</title>
	<author>devhen</author>
	<datestamp>1256147760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminded me of something that has been puzzling me for weeks now since installing Windows 7... No matter how many times I click on iTunes from Start &gt; All Programs it WILL NOT show up in the Start menu's main list of most commonly used programs. Its a constant reminder of M$'s evil ways as it takes several clicks to open iTunes...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminded me of something that has been puzzling me for weeks now since installing Windows 7... No matter how many times I click on iTunes from Start &gt; All Programs it WILL NOT show up in the Start menu 's main list of most commonly used programs .
Its a constant reminder of M $ 's evil ways as it takes several clicks to open iTunes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminded me of something that has been puzzling me for weeks now since installing Windows 7... No matter how many times I click on iTunes from Start &gt; All Programs it WILL NOT show up in the Start menu's main list of most commonly used programs.
Its a constant reminder of M$'s evil ways as it takes several clicks to open iTunes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829017</id>
	<title>Oh, FFS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says. "Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar. After that the whole thing was automatic, I just left it sitting there... At the end of it, Windows put back the drivers I removed, and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there. I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced."</p></div></blockquote><p>Yep - a disaster in the making.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install , " he says .
" Which I did , it was some drivers , iTunes and the Google Toolbar .
After that the whole thing was automatic , I just left it sitting there... At the end of it , Windows put back the drivers I removed , and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration , my library and apps were all there .
I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced .
" Yep - a disaster in the making .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"The upgrade process gave me a list of about 5 programs to un-install," he says.
"Which I did, it was some drivers, iTunes and the Google Toolbar.
After that the whole thing was automatic, I just left it sitting there... At the end of it, Windows put back the drivers I removed, and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.
I have to say that is about the most successful Windows upgrade I have ever personally experienced.
"Yep - a disaster in the making.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829247</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1256122200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes you could make that claim.</p><p>But some parts of iTunes don't run in user-space.</p><p>Apple Mobile Device runs as a service as does Bonjour.</p><p>Its this device driver that needs to go (temporarily) and the system needs a reboot with it gone (in true Microsoft fashion).</p><p>After the upgrade, when you re-install iTunes, the Apple Mobile drivers will be subordinate to the new Windows 7 Device  Stage, and all will be well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes you could make that claim.But some parts of iTunes do n't run in user-space.Apple Mobile Device runs as a service as does Bonjour.Its this device driver that needs to go ( temporarily ) and the system needs a reboot with it gone ( in true Microsoft fashion ) .After the upgrade , when you re-install iTunes , the Apple Mobile drivers will be subordinate to the new Windows 7 Device Stage , and all will be well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes you could make that claim.But some parts of iTunes don't run in user-space.Apple Mobile Device runs as a service as does Bonjour.Its this device driver that needs to go (temporarily) and the system needs a reboot with it gone (in true Microsoft fashion).After the upgrade, when you re-install iTunes, the Apple Mobile drivers will be subordinate to the new Windows 7 Device  Stage, and all will be well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830419</id>
	<title>So how many reboots are required?</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1256130000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True story: I recently got a new computer and set it up for dual booting Windows/linux. It took me more time and more restarts to get Windows working normally even though the computer actually came with windows preinstalled and i had to instal linux from scratch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True story : I recently got a new computer and set it up for dual booting Windows/linux .
It took me more time and more restarts to get Windows working normally even though the computer actually came with windows preinstalled and i had to instal linux from scratch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True story: I recently got a new computer and set it up for dual booting Windows/linux.
It took me more time and more restarts to get Windows working normally even though the computer actually came with windows preinstalled and i had to instal linux from scratch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834669</id>
	<title>iTunes=Garbage anyways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256223540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>iTunes is a piece of Apple bloatware.
Even to this day on Vista Ultimate 64 SP2 with the newest iTunes, it still freezes my whole computer anytime it tries to play music.  I use it solely to sync my iPod these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes is a piece of Apple bloatware .
Even to this day on Vista Ultimate 64 SP2 with the newest iTunes , it still freezes my whole computer anytime it tries to play music .
I use it solely to sync my iPod these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes is a piece of Apple bloatware.
Even to this day on Vista Ultimate 64 SP2 with the newest iTunes, it still freezes my whole computer anytime it tries to play music.
I use it solely to sync my iPod these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831983</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1256147640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.</p></div><p>You know, you're right!  In fact I think all this Microsoft bashing is a secret plot hatched by Microsoft to increase sympathy towards the company!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes Slashdot look like it 's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda , and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.You know , you 're right !
In fact I think all this Microsoft bashing is a secret plot hatched by Microsoft to increase sympathy towards the company !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.You know, you're right!
In fact I think all this Microsoft bashing is a secret plot hatched by Microsoft to increase sympathy towards the company!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829097</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You <i>could</i> make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in Windows as a whole.  I recently upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard, which turned all the core parts of my operating system from 32 bits to 64 bits...  I did have a few bits of third party software stop working after that.  None of them affected overall system stability, though...  And definitely not the install.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in Windows as a whole .
I recently upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard , which turned all the core parts of my operating system from 32 bits to 64 bits... I did have a few bits of third party software stop working after that .
None of them affected overall system stability , though... And definitely not the install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could make the case that the fact that misbehaving user-space software could theoretically interfere with the upgrade process points to a deep design flaw in Windows as a whole.
I recently upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard, which turned all the core parts of my operating system from 32 bits to 64 bits...  I did have a few bits of third party software stop working after that.
None of them affected overall system stability, though...  And definitely not the install.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29835121</id>
	<title>XP still the best MS OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256226240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XP is still the more solid os that MS has ever put out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XP is still the more solid os that MS has ever put out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XP is still the more solid os that MS has ever put out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832891</id>
	<title>Re:Ya well no surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256205000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>The MS haters are running scared right now.</em> </p><p>Haters? You really need to get out more, you're sounding just like a marketing parasite trying to marginalize alternative points of view that don't happen to follow the One-True-Way (tm).</p><p>And this content free piece of drivel was mod'ed up to +5. Gee, I wonder how that happened?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The MS haters are running scared right now .
Haters ? You really need to get out more , you 're sounding just like a marketing parasite trying to marginalize alternative points of view that do n't happen to follow the One-True-Way ( tm ) .And this content free piece of drivel was mod'ed up to + 5 .
Gee , I wonder how that happened ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The MS haters are running scared right now.
Haters? You really need to get out more, you're sounding just like a marketing parasite trying to marginalize alternative points of view that don't happen to follow the One-True-Way (tm).And this content free piece of drivel was mod'ed up to +5.
Gee, I wonder how that happened?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830049</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831369</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256139540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not a logical way to go about it.  Yes, many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'ers (including those silly people in charge) can over do it.  This does not make the legitimate arguments against Microsoft any less true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not a logical way to go about it .
Yes , many / .
'ers ( including those silly people in charge ) can over do it .
This does not make the legitimate arguments against Microsoft any less true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not a logical way to go about it.
Yes, many /.
'ers (including those silly people in charge) can over do it.
This does not make the legitimate arguments against Microsoft any less true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829537</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>gumbi west</author>
	<datestamp>1256123700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have upgraded from Mac OS 9.0, to 9.1, to 9.2, to OS X 10.1, to 10.2, to 10.3, to 10.4. I then bought a new Intel mac computer and did a install on top of the PPC install by first using Apple's migration tool and then the install tool (their selected order). It was only at that time that I had to do a clean install, and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any point along the way (DVDs weren't really something that computers were expected to play out of the box in 2000 when I bought the first mac). But other than that, everything worked great, I used the computer for several weeks before I tried to play a DVD and discovered the problem. Even then, no format step, it just did a clean install and then moved all my files back into place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have upgraded from Mac OS 9.0 , to 9.1 , to 9.2 , to OS X 10.1 , to 10.2 , to 10.3 , to 10.4 .
I then bought a new Intel mac computer and did a install on top of the PPC install by first using Apple 's migration tool and then the install tool ( their selected order ) .
It was only at that time that I had to do a clean install , and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any point along the way ( DVDs were n't really something that computers were expected to play out of the box in 2000 when I bought the first mac ) .
But other than that , everything worked great , I used the computer for several weeks before I tried to play a DVD and discovered the problem .
Even then , no format step , it just did a clean install and then moved all my files back into place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have upgraded from Mac OS 9.0, to 9.1, to 9.2, to OS X 10.1, to 10.2, to 10.3, to 10.4.
I then bought a new Intel mac computer and did a install on top of the PPC install by first using Apple's migration tool and then the install tool (their selected order).
It was only at that time that I had to do a clean install, and the reason is that DVD player was never installed at any point along the way (DVDs weren't really something that computers were expected to play out of the box in 2000 when I bought the first mac).
But other than that, everything worked great, I used the computer for several weeks before I tried to play a DVD and discovered the problem.
Even then, no format step, it just did a clean install and then moved all my files back into place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831733</id>
	<title>How about using it yourself first?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256144220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All I see is a bunch of speculation and a whole lot of lack of empircal data in the majority of these posts. Have you installed Win 7 yet? I have, I'm one of those goofballs that got the House Party kit with the Steve Ballmer signed Win 7 Ultimate copy (they should have put a sound chip in it like those greeting cards that played DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, *SCREAM* when I opened it). As an experiment, I decided to do an upgrade install from Vista Home Premium instead of a clean install just to see what would happen. Guess what? It went flawlessly (although it took about 3 hours). Did it ask me to deauthorize iTunes? Yep. Did it tell me I should uninstall it? Nope. I can't comment on the Google toolbar as I don't have it installed. My Win 7 isn't some downloaded copy, RC, beta or whatever, this is the real deal so this should end the speculation on what an actual retail copy will do in this situation. It also broke NONE of the software on my machine, no broken codecs, no non-working hardware, nothing (and believe me, I've got a lot of stuff on it). The one single issue I had from the upgrade was HP not providing updated MediaSmart Menu software on their website at the time (the software still worked, just not the on-screen menu). The updated software was posted to their website a few days later, over a week before Oct 22nd, problem solved. I've got a long history with FreeBSD, I've got a long history with Windows, I've got a long history with Linux. They've ALL been an upgrade nightmare at times so let's not point that finger. A clean install is likely a better choice than an upgrade but sometimes it's just not feasible so the guy in one of the previous posts saying people who do upgrade installs shouldn't be allowed near computers is just not living in the real world.</p><p>This is a non-story followed by a bunch of speculative comments by a bunch of currently-non-users of Win 7.</p><p>p.s. I think the story might be incorrect in regards to iTunes, I know a few people who've done upgrade installs and in every single case iTunes was recommended to be de-authorized, not uninstalled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All I see is a bunch of speculation and a whole lot of lack of empircal data in the majority of these posts .
Have you installed Win 7 yet ?
I have , I 'm one of those goofballs that got the House Party kit with the Steve Ballmer signed Win 7 Ultimate copy ( they should have put a sound chip in it like those greeting cards that played DEVELOPERS , DEVELOPERS , * SCREAM * when I opened it ) .
As an experiment , I decided to do an upgrade install from Vista Home Premium instead of a clean install just to see what would happen .
Guess what ?
It went flawlessly ( although it took about 3 hours ) .
Did it ask me to deauthorize iTunes ?
Yep. Did it tell me I should uninstall it ?
Nope. I ca n't comment on the Google toolbar as I do n't have it installed .
My Win 7 is n't some downloaded copy , RC , beta or whatever , this is the real deal so this should end the speculation on what an actual retail copy will do in this situation .
It also broke NONE of the software on my machine , no broken codecs , no non-working hardware , nothing ( and believe me , I 've got a lot of stuff on it ) .
The one single issue I had from the upgrade was HP not providing updated MediaSmart Menu software on their website at the time ( the software still worked , just not the on-screen menu ) .
The updated software was posted to their website a few days later , over a week before Oct 22nd , problem solved .
I 've got a long history with FreeBSD , I 've got a long history with Windows , I 've got a long history with Linux .
They 've ALL been an upgrade nightmare at times so let 's not point that finger .
A clean install is likely a better choice than an upgrade but sometimes it 's just not feasible so the guy in one of the previous posts saying people who do upgrade installs should n't be allowed near computers is just not living in the real world.This is a non-story followed by a bunch of speculative comments by a bunch of currently-non-users of Win 7.p.s .
I think the story might be incorrect in regards to iTunes , I know a few people who 've done upgrade installs and in every single case iTunes was recommended to be de-authorized , not uninstalled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I see is a bunch of speculation and a whole lot of lack of empircal data in the majority of these posts.
Have you installed Win 7 yet?
I have, I'm one of those goofballs that got the House Party kit with the Steve Ballmer signed Win 7 Ultimate copy (they should have put a sound chip in it like those greeting cards that played DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, *SCREAM* when I opened it).
As an experiment, I decided to do an upgrade install from Vista Home Premium instead of a clean install just to see what would happen.
Guess what?
It went flawlessly (although it took about 3 hours).
Did it ask me to deauthorize iTunes?
Yep. Did it tell me I should uninstall it?
Nope. I can't comment on the Google toolbar as I don't have it installed.
My Win 7 isn't some downloaded copy, RC, beta or whatever, this is the real deal so this should end the speculation on what an actual retail copy will do in this situation.
It also broke NONE of the software on my machine, no broken codecs, no non-working hardware, nothing (and believe me, I've got a lot of stuff on it).
The one single issue I had from the upgrade was HP not providing updated MediaSmart Menu software on their website at the time (the software still worked, just not the on-screen menu).
The updated software was posted to their website a few days later, over a week before Oct 22nd, problem solved.
I've got a long history with FreeBSD, I've got a long history with Windows, I've got a long history with Linux.
They've ALL been an upgrade nightmare at times so let's not point that finger.
A clean install is likely a better choice than an upgrade but sometimes it's just not feasible so the guy in one of the previous posts saying people who do upgrade installs shouldn't be allowed near computers is just not living in the real world.This is a non-story followed by a bunch of speculative comments by a bunch of currently-non-users of Win 7.p.s.
I think the story might be incorrect in regards to iTunes, I know a few people who've done upgrade installs and in every single case iTunes was recommended to be de-authorized, not uninstalled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829803</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1256125440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'upgrade' from XP formats the hard drive. Your files may be there but none of your applications will be. From XP, there is no over the top install to get to win 7. From vista, yea there is. Most people I know are going to backup and do a clean install anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'upgrade ' from XP formats the hard drive .
Your files may be there but none of your applications will be .
From XP , there is no over the top install to get to win 7 .
From vista , yea there is .
Most people I know are going to backup and do a clean install anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'upgrade' from XP formats the hard drive.
Your files may be there but none of your applications will be.
From XP, there is no over the top install to get to win 7.
From vista, yea there is.
Most people I know are going to backup and do a clean install anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828949</id>
	<title>Windows Upgrades</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you upgrade Windows on top of another installation you are in for a bad time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you upgrade Windows on top of another installation you are in for a bad time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you upgrade Windows on top of another installation you are in for a bad time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830027</id>
	<title>You probably mean "Owing to a strike ..."</title>
	<author>einarw</author>
	<datestamp>1256127120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You probably mean "Owing to a strike<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You probably mean " Owing to a strike ... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You probably mean "Owing to a strike ..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1256123160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much.</p></div></blockquote><p>For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft. If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten, why does Slashdot feel the need to lie? It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I despise MS as much as anyone , but this is too much.For me , the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly , the less I despise Microsoft .
If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten , why does Slashdot feel the need to lie ?
It makes Slashdot look like it 's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda , and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I despise MS as much as anyone, but this is too much.For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft.
If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten, why does Slashdot feel the need to lie?
It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829503</id>
	<title>iTunes is evil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256123460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason, Apple decided to use their own USB driver; one not exactly known for it's stability, evidently. Yes, Apple would rather risk your system instability than use a standard tried &amp; tested driver to write files to any iPod. That'll be why Windows 7 doesn't like it I expect.</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+BSOD" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+BSOD</a> [google.com]</p><p>Sometimes I wonder if Apple make PCs crash deliberately to fuel their ad-war</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason , Apple decided to use their own USB driver ; one not exactly known for it 's stability , evidently .
Yes , Apple would rather risk your system instability than use a standard tried &amp; tested driver to write files to any iPod .
That 'll be why Windows 7 does n't like it I expect.http : //www.google.com/search ? q = itunes + BSOD [ google.com ] Sometimes I wonder if Apple make PCs crash deliberately to fuel their ad-war</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason, Apple decided to use their own USB driver; one not exactly known for it's stability, evidently.
Yes, Apple would rather risk your system instability than use a standard tried &amp; tested driver to write files to any iPod.
That'll be why Windows 7 doesn't like it I expect.http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+BSOD [google.com]Sometimes I wonder if Apple make PCs crash deliberately to fuel their ad-war</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833457</id>
	<title>Open Office</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1256212740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8317005.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">an article on the BBC site</a> [bbc.co.uk], the Windows 7 upgrade procedure also advises that Open Office is uninstalled.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to an article on the BBC site [ bbc.co.uk ] , the Windows 7 upgrade procedure also advises that Open Office is uninstalled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to an article on the BBC site [bbc.co.uk], the Windows 7 upgrade procedure also advises that Open Office is uninstalled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830549</id>
	<title>Windowblinds &amp; iTunes resolved!</title>
	<author>bigdonthedj</author>
	<datestamp>1256131020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ran into this. It was telling me that I had to de-authorize my computer in iTunes and uninstall it. I just did the de-authorization and re-enabled it after the upgrade was done. The main ssue I had was that it REQUIRED that Windowblinds be removed. This drove me nuts as I uninstalled it, removed all mention of it in the registry, and deleted every file I could find in relation to it. Even after doing all of this the installer told me I still needed to uninstall Windowblinds. After no help from Stardock, I uninstalled the entire Object Desktop suite. It seems that the My Colors has a bit of Windowblinds built in and needed to be removed. This was a Stardock problem. The systerm skinning is done a bit diffferently in 7. I also had to uninstall Fences. I thought that would be safe to leave on dfor the upgrade. I was wrong. It caused explorer.exe to crash and restart at 10 second intervals. Turned out tha all I needed to do was to uninstall Fences and reinstall it from scratch. It now works perfectly. I am also using the Keyboard Launchpad from Stardock with no problem as well. I hope my nightmare of upgrading helps some of you. I am using 64bit Ultimate. If anyone needs any help feel free to cotact me directly at 'win7help at 2muchh8red dot com'.

Good luck, everybody!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into this .
It was telling me that I had to de-authorize my computer in iTunes and uninstall it .
I just did the de-authorization and re-enabled it after the upgrade was done .
The main ssue I had was that it REQUIRED that Windowblinds be removed .
This drove me nuts as I uninstalled it , removed all mention of it in the registry , and deleted every file I could find in relation to it .
Even after doing all of this the installer told me I still needed to uninstall Windowblinds .
After no help from Stardock , I uninstalled the entire Object Desktop suite .
It seems that the My Colors has a bit of Windowblinds built in and needed to be removed .
This was a Stardock problem .
The systerm skinning is done a bit diffferently in 7 .
I also had to uninstall Fences .
I thought that would be safe to leave on dfor the upgrade .
I was wrong .
It caused explorer.exe to crash and restart at 10 second intervals .
Turned out tha all I needed to do was to uninstall Fences and reinstall it from scratch .
It now works perfectly .
I am also using the Keyboard Launchpad from Stardock with no problem as well .
I hope my nightmare of upgrading helps some of you .
I am using 64bit Ultimate .
If anyone needs any help feel free to cotact me directly at 'win7help at 2muchh8red dot com' .
Good luck , everybody !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into this.
It was telling me that I had to de-authorize my computer in iTunes and uninstall it.
I just did the de-authorization and re-enabled it after the upgrade was done.
The main ssue I had was that it REQUIRED that Windowblinds be removed.
This drove me nuts as I uninstalled it, removed all mention of it in the registry, and deleted every file I could find in relation to it.
Even after doing all of this the installer told me I still needed to uninstall Windowblinds.
After no help from Stardock, I uninstalled the entire Object Desktop suite.
It seems that the My Colors has a bit of Windowblinds built in and needed to be removed.
This was a Stardock problem.
The systerm skinning is done a bit diffferently in 7.
I also had to uninstall Fences.
I thought that would be safe to leave on dfor the upgrade.
I was wrong.
It caused explorer.exe to crash and restart at 10 second intervals.
Turned out tha all I needed to do was to uninstall Fences and reinstall it from scratch.
It now works perfectly.
I am also using the Keyboard Launchpad from Stardock with no problem as well.
I hope my nightmare of upgrading helps some of you.
I am using 64bit Ultimate.
If anyone needs any help feel free to cotact me directly at 'win7help at 2muchh8red dot com'.
Good luck, everybody!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831101</id>
	<title>I keep seeing comments....</title>
	<author>p.rican</author>
	<datestamp>1256136300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>saying that I should be backing up my data, wipe the hard drive and do a complete install from scratch. For some people (like me) this may be cost-prohibitive.... I might only want to shell out for the Win7 upgrade and not the full retail install package. I've been very fortunate (and spoiled) because I've been using Linux and/or BSD for years which are much more fairly priced, if not free.
<p>
The only thing keeping me from getting a copy of Win 7 is cost. If I'm going to do the install it would be with Win 7 Professional at a minimum which I think is retailing for ~$140-$190 right now. That's a lot of scratch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>saying that I should be backing up my data , wipe the hard drive and do a complete install from scratch .
For some people ( like me ) this may be cost-prohibitive.... I might only want to shell out for the Win7 upgrade and not the full retail install package .
I 've been very fortunate ( and spoiled ) because I 've been using Linux and/or BSD for years which are much more fairly priced , if not free .
The only thing keeping me from getting a copy of Win 7 is cost .
If I 'm going to do the install it would be with Win 7 Professional at a minimum which I think is retailing for ~ $ 140- $ 190 right now .
That 's a lot of scratch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>saying that I should be backing up my data, wipe the hard drive and do a complete install from scratch.
For some people (like me) this may be cost-prohibitive.... I might only want to shell out for the Win7 upgrade and not the full retail install package.
I've been very fortunate (and spoiled) because I've been using Linux and/or BSD for years which are much more fairly priced, if not free.
The only thing keeping me from getting a copy of Win 7 is cost.
If I'm going to do the install it would be with Win 7 Professional at a minimum which I think is retailing for ~$140-$190 right now.
That's a lot of scratch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29837717</id>
	<title>For once, Microsoft does the right thing</title>
	<author>ArmyOfAardvarks</author>
	<datestamp>1256237160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any application that automatically gets installed if you click through a wizard too quickly should be treated like a virus.
iTunes and GoogleToolbar are two such applications.
Good for Microsoft.
Remove this trash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any application that automatically gets installed if you click through a wizard too quickly should be treated like a virus .
iTunes and GoogleToolbar are two such applications .
Good for Microsoft .
Remove this trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any application that automatically gets installed if you click through a wizard too quickly should be treated like a virus.
iTunes and GoogleToolbar are two such applications.
Good for Microsoft.
Remove this trash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829779</id>
	<title>Aggh!</title>
	<author>nmg196</author>
	<datestamp>1256125320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never been so angry about a Slashdot story submission before! The article is saying how WELL the windows 7 installation went and the article summary is pretty much a total misquote!</p><p>I hated Vista, but Windows 7 is a fantastic operating system and a massive improvement over either Vista or XP and and stupid articles like this just make Slashdot itself look stupid - not Microsoft.  I've heard almost no complaints about Win 7 from anyone (not even in the press and very little even on slashdot!)  and it's clear that MS have put a hell of a lot of effort into ensuring Windows 7 really does do what people want it to do.</p><p>It also highlights how stupid some people are if they think that installing an OS of a totally different version over the top of an old installation is a good idea. Only a complete newbie idiot with minimal knowledge of computers would actually think this is a good idea.  That goes for all OSs - not just Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never been so angry about a Slashdot story submission before !
The article is saying how WELL the windows 7 installation went and the article summary is pretty much a total misquote ! I hated Vista , but Windows 7 is a fantastic operating system and a massive improvement over either Vista or XP and and stupid articles like this just make Slashdot itself look stupid - not Microsoft .
I 've heard almost no complaints about Win 7 from anyone ( not even in the press and very little even on slashdot !
) and it 's clear that MS have put a hell of a lot of effort into ensuring Windows 7 really does do what people want it to do.It also highlights how stupid some people are if they think that installing an OS of a totally different version over the top of an old installation is a good idea .
Only a complete newbie idiot with minimal knowledge of computers would actually think this is a good idea .
That goes for all OSs - not just Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never been so angry about a Slashdot story submission before!
The article is saying how WELL the windows 7 installation went and the article summary is pretty much a total misquote!I hated Vista, but Windows 7 is a fantastic operating system and a massive improvement over either Vista or XP and and stupid articles like this just make Slashdot itself look stupid - not Microsoft.
I've heard almost no complaints about Win 7 from anyone (not even in the press and very little even on slashdot!
)  and it's clear that MS have put a hell of a lot of effort into ensuring Windows 7 really does do what people want it to do.It also highlights how stupid some people are if they think that installing an OS of a totally different version over the top of an old installation is a good idea.
Only a complete newbie idiot with minimal knowledge of computers would actually think this is a good idea.
That goes for all OSs - not just Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829507</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>KiloByte</author>
	<datestamp>1256123460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, an OS which can't handle upgrades without a clean install is pretty worthless.  Have you tried something with a real packaging system?</p><p>I've heard that Red Hat and FreeBSD have sometimes troubles with upgrades as well, but as a long-time Debian user, I never noticed any large-scale troubles.  Nothing is perfect, but issues are limited to single programs -- like, PostgreSQL failed in its upgrade from 8.1 to 8.3 on every single setup I managed so I had to do full dumps/restores.  In general, system upgrades work fine -- there's a server which had potato-&gt;woody-&gt;sarge-&gt;lenny without a single breakage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , an OS which ca n't handle upgrades without a clean install is pretty worthless .
Have you tried something with a real packaging system ? I 've heard that Red Hat and FreeBSD have sometimes troubles with upgrades as well , but as a long-time Debian user , I never noticed any large-scale troubles .
Nothing is perfect , but issues are limited to single programs -- like , PostgreSQL failed in its upgrade from 8.1 to 8.3 on every single setup I managed so I had to do full dumps/restores .
In general , system upgrades work fine -- there 's a server which had potato- &gt; woody- &gt; sarge- &gt; lenny without a single breakage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, an OS which can't handle upgrades without a clean install is pretty worthless.
Have you tried something with a real packaging system?I've heard that Red Hat and FreeBSD have sometimes troubles with upgrades as well, but as a long-time Debian user, I never noticed any large-scale troubles.
Nothing is perfect, but issues are limited to single programs -- like, PostgreSQL failed in its upgrade from 8.1 to 8.3 on every single setup I managed so I had to do full dumps/restores.
In general, system upgrades work fine -- there's a server which had potato-&gt;woody-&gt;sarge-&gt;lenny without a single breakage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829015</id>
	<title>Summary is misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary is rather misleading about the required removal of iTunes and the Google Toolbar as the article does say that Windows reinstalled them as part of the upgrade process.

Let's not try to find a bogeyman where one doesn't exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is rather misleading about the required removal of iTunes and the Google Toolbar as the article does say that Windows reinstalled them as part of the upgrade process .
Let 's not try to find a bogeyman where one does n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is rather misleading about the required removal of iTunes and the Google Toolbar as the article does say that Windows reinstalled them as part of the upgrade process.
Let's not try to find a bogeyman where one doesn't exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830675</id>
	<title>SURPRISED Armani Sweater,Air Max Shoes,DG Jean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256131980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  Welcome TO Our Website: Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
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<tokenext>Welcome TO Our Website : Http : //www.tntshoes.com     We are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoshi our website is see our website in the photos attached , we are a online shopping discount store , pls find the more photos and the price for our product in our website , if you are interested please email me by we take paypal as payment , .
Sunglass : lv , dior , D&amp;G channeletc $ 15-35 free shipping.we have large of brand new shoes,clothing , handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale , all of ourproduct are 100 \ % best quality with the amazing price .
  OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Welcome TO Our Website: Http://www.tntshoes.com
    We are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoshi our website is see our website in the photos attached, we are a online shopping discount store, pls find the more photos and the price for our product in our website, if you are interested please email me by we take paypal as payment, .
Sunglass: lv, dior, D&amp;G channeletc $15-35 free shipping.we have large of brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, all of ourproduct are 100\% best quality with the amazing price.
  OUR WEBSITE:
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831465</id>
	<title>Re:One more /. non Issue here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256140860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot loosing credibility?  Hahaha.</p><p>I won't say you just made my day because that'd be admitting I have an incredibly boring life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot loosing credibility ?
Hahaha.I wo n't say you just made my day because that 'd be admitting I have an incredibly boring life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot loosing credibility?
Hahaha.I won't say you just made my day because that'd be admitting I have an incredibly boring life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833759</id>
	<title>No command line</title>
	<author>Shotgun</author>
	<datestamp>1256216820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To bad they don't have a command like where they could just stop the install and warn the user that their computer might explode from having the unsupported software of a competitor installed.</p><p>Oh, how I long for the good old days (circa 1994 or so).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To bad they do n't have a command like where they could just stop the install and warn the user that their computer might explode from having the unsupported software of a competitor installed.Oh , how I long for the good old days ( circa 1994 or so ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To bad they don't have a command like where they could just stop the install and warn the user that their computer might explode from having the unsupported software of a competitor installed.Oh, how I long for the good old days (circa 1994 or so).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29842323</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1256225100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but Windows Media Player even deletes the files for you in Windows 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but Windows Media Player even deletes the files for you in Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but Windows Media Player even deletes the files for you in Windows 7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29836137</id>
	<title>Wha??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256230560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well lets get something straight, the long install times and asking to remove toolbars indicated UPGRADE installations, which at best are spotty and not recommended.  If you are doing an upgrade, obviously it will be slower, as it's migrating your files and settings to the new install.</p><p>A clean install is quick and painless.  I did find that the RC installed quicker than the Signature ultimate, but it was no where close to 3 hours, try less than 1 mostly because of a slow reading optical drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well lets get something straight , the long install times and asking to remove toolbars indicated UPGRADE installations , which at best are spotty and not recommended .
If you are doing an upgrade , obviously it will be slower , as it 's migrating your files and settings to the new install.A clean install is quick and painless .
I did find that the RC installed quicker than the Signature ultimate , but it was no where close to 3 hours , try less than 1 mostly because of a slow reading optical drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well lets get something straight, the long install times and asking to remove toolbars indicated UPGRADE installations, which at best are spotty and not recommended.
If you are doing an upgrade, obviously it will be slower, as it's migrating your files and settings to the new install.A clean install is quick and painless.
I did find that the RC installed quicker than the Signature ultimate, but it was no where close to 3 hours, try less than 1 mostly because of a slow reading optical drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830269</id>
	<title>I refuse to use it.</title>
	<author>B5\_geek</author>
	<datestamp>1256128980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I will not install or run win7 until there is a 3rd party alternative or a MS patch that gives me explorer back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I will not install or run win7 until there is a 3rd party alternative or a MS patch that gives me explorer back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will not install or run win7 until there is a 3rd party alternative or a MS patch that gives me explorer back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828967</id>
	<title>Not sure the title is correct...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the 2 examples, I'd say it's just asking to get rid of trouble-causing software.</p><p>iTunes for Windows is maximum bloatware with questionable value...</p><p>Toolbars (from anyone) should never be installed.... (this includes Office Toolbars from Microsoft as well)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the 2 examples , I 'd say it 's just asking to get rid of trouble-causing software.iTunes for Windows is maximum bloatware with questionable value...Toolbars ( from anyone ) should never be installed.... ( this includes Office Toolbars from Microsoft as well ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the 2 examples, I'd say it's just asking to get rid of trouble-causing software.iTunes for Windows is maximum bloatware with questionable value...Toolbars (from anyone) should never be installed.... (this includes Office Toolbars from Microsoft as well)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830049</id>
	<title>Ya well no surprise</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1256127300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The MS haters are running scared right now. Windows 7 seems to be getting extremely favourable press overall, and the public is highly interested in it. Apparently on Amazon UK, Windows 7 preorders are not the highest for any product they've ever sold, a Harry Potter book holding the previous record. <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5386553/windows-7-amazon-preorders-beat-even-harry-potter" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/5386553/windows-7-amazon-preorders-beat-even-harry-potter</a> [gizmodo.com]</p><p>Thus it isn't a surprise we are seeing zealots step up the FUD machine and try to spin anything they can as Windows 7 being bad. They are worried that people are going to like it and use it and Microsoft will continue to maintain a position of dominance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The MS haters are running scared right now .
Windows 7 seems to be getting extremely favourable press overall , and the public is highly interested in it .
Apparently on Amazon UK , Windows 7 preorders are not the highest for any product they 've ever sold , a Harry Potter book holding the previous record .
http : //gizmodo.com/5386553/windows-7-amazon-preorders-beat-even-harry-potter [ gizmodo.com ] Thus it is n't a surprise we are seeing zealots step up the FUD machine and try to spin anything they can as Windows 7 being bad .
They are worried that people are going to like it and use it and Microsoft will continue to maintain a position of dominance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MS haters are running scared right now.
Windows 7 seems to be getting extremely favourable press overall, and the public is highly interested in it.
Apparently on Amazon UK, Windows 7 preorders are not the highest for any product they've ever sold, a Harry Potter book holding the previous record.
http://gizmodo.com/5386553/windows-7-amazon-preorders-beat-even-harry-potter [gizmodo.com]Thus it isn't a surprise we are seeing zealots step up the FUD machine and try to spin anything they can as Windows 7 being bad.
They are worried that people are going to like it and use it and Microsoft will continue to maintain a position of dominance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834497</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>tuppe666</author>
	<datestamp>1256222220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WOW. I read fanatics; fanboy; apolgist; troll. And yet you manage to bash everything from FSF; pulseaudio; GPL to the FSF.
<p>
The fun think is pulseaudio is a fantastic case in point. I read that thread, it was very little to with those crass names you call people. People prefer features over stability, and the software stack you have referred to as Linux has moved forward so fast in the last four years its frightening. Many of those features have been the choice between working over stability...and I am one of those people.
</p><p>
Foss has had an excellent track record for evolution rather than revolution, and judging from what you have said from Vista to Windows 7 the same in true of proprietary software. I would argue that due to regular releases Foss suffers from it less.
</p><p>
The harsh reality is this evolution has paid off for me. I am enjoying pulseaudio; compiz on an intel chipset, and been hit by the regressions in the past, but not everyone's experience has been as good, and by good I mean working. These technologies today are greatly improved and I mean working for more people, but it is still not 100\%.
</p><p>
As for your Defence of Microsoft bringing out a new OS. It does not make Microsoft better in my eyes when Microsoft still act like an abuse Monopolist. DRM and Activation are still here, and I prefer GPL to an overreaching agreement to spy on me.
</p><p>
I think its somewhat sad that in these forums people don't talk about facts but change the topic by calling people name whether its sexism to defend mono or fanaticism to defend an OS. Lets stick to facts and talk about technology, rather than abuse name calling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WOW .
I read fanatics ; fanboy ; apolgist ; troll .
And yet you manage to bash everything from FSF ; pulseaudio ; GPL to the FSF .
The fun think is pulseaudio is a fantastic case in point .
I read that thread , it was very little to with those crass names you call people .
People prefer features over stability , and the software stack you have referred to as Linux has moved forward so fast in the last four years its frightening .
Many of those features have been the choice between working over stability...and I am one of those people .
Foss has had an excellent track record for evolution rather than revolution , and judging from what you have said from Vista to Windows 7 the same in true of proprietary software .
I would argue that due to regular releases Foss suffers from it less .
The harsh reality is this evolution has paid off for me .
I am enjoying pulseaudio ; compiz on an intel chipset , and been hit by the regressions in the past , but not everyone 's experience has been as good , and by good I mean working .
These technologies today are greatly improved and I mean working for more people , but it is still not 100 \ % .
As for your Defence of Microsoft bringing out a new OS .
It does not make Microsoft better in my eyes when Microsoft still act like an abuse Monopolist .
DRM and Activation are still here , and I prefer GPL to an overreaching agreement to spy on me .
I think its somewhat sad that in these forums people do n't talk about facts but change the topic by calling people name whether its sexism to defend mono or fanaticism to defend an OS .
Lets stick to facts and talk about technology , rather than abuse name calling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WOW.
I read fanatics; fanboy; apolgist; troll.
And yet you manage to bash everything from FSF; pulseaudio; GPL to the FSF.
The fun think is pulseaudio is a fantastic case in point.
I read that thread, it was very little to with those crass names you call people.
People prefer features over stability, and the software stack you have referred to as Linux has moved forward so fast in the last four years its frightening.
Many of those features have been the choice between working over stability...and I am one of those people.
Foss has had an excellent track record for evolution rather than revolution, and judging from what you have said from Vista to Windows 7 the same in true of proprietary software.
I would argue that due to regular releases Foss suffers from it less.
The harsh reality is this evolution has paid off for me.
I am enjoying pulseaudio; compiz on an intel chipset, and been hit by the regressions in the past, but not everyone's experience has been as good, and by good I mean working.
These technologies today are greatly improved and I mean working for more people, but it is still not 100\%.
As for your Defence of Microsoft bringing out a new OS.
It does not make Microsoft better in my eyes when Microsoft still act like an abuse Monopolist.
DRM and Activation are still here, and I prefer GPL to an overreaching agreement to spy on me.
I think its somewhat sad that in these forums people don't talk about facts but change the topic by calling people name whether its sexism to defend mono or fanaticism to defend an OS.
Lets stick to facts and talk about technology, rather than abuse name calling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829647</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256124480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the good news: your system now has tons of junk scattered around that will never be removed (thanks in large part to broken software, and unnoticed files).</p><p>My clean install was noticeably peppier than my upgrade.</p><p>I <i>could</i> make the case that this is Leopard's fault, but I won't go there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the good news : your system now has tons of junk scattered around that will never be removed ( thanks in large part to broken software , and unnoticed files ) .My clean install was noticeably peppier than my upgrade.I could make the case that this is Leopard 's fault , but I wo n't go there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the good news: your system now has tons of junk scattered around that will never be removed (thanks in large part to broken software, and unnoticed files).My clean install was noticeably peppier than my upgrade.I could make the case that this is Leopard's fault, but I won't go there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831671</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1256143440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.</p></div></blockquote><p>

The deficiencies of Itunes seems to be a reoccurring theme in this thread so I have to ask, why do people continue to buy products that require it?<br> <br>

I said goodbye to Apple, the ipod and Itunes 5 years ago and havent looked back, since then I've had Creative's, Irivers and Cowons that all connected using MSC so I had no trouble moving music from my Linux or Windows PC's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Second , iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack , and it needs to go .
The deficiencies of Itunes seems to be a reoccurring theme in this thread so I have to ask , why do people continue to buy products that require it ?
I said goodbye to Apple , the ipod and Itunes 5 years ago and havent looked back , since then I 've had Creative 's , Irivers and Cowons that all connected using MSC so I had no trouble moving music from my Linux or Windows PC 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.
The deficiencies of Itunes seems to be a reoccurring theme in this thread so I have to ask, why do people continue to buy products that require it?
I said goodbye to Apple, the ipod and Itunes 5 years ago and havent looked back, since then I've had Creative's, Irivers and Cowons that all connected using MSC so I had no trouble moving music from my Linux or Windows PC's.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831749</id>
	<title>Fits with what Microsoft started with Vista</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256144400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This actually makes alot of sense considering what Microsoft started with Vista. For example, Sp1 wouldnt show up under Windows Update under Vista unless all drivers were updated to the latest certified versions. Even if you attempted to install it yourself through the forced IT Pro download it'd disable old, known to bork drivers (and yes, this did happen with a few wireless and audio drivers) but it'd then attempt to snag the latest driver on restart.</p><p>Since iTunes in my experience has caused a shit ton of issues with disabling CD/DVD drives (very, very common actually) as well as a significant amount of USB related issues Im not suprised that they're asking you to uninstall it upon an upgrade. Granted, there shouldnt be any serious issues going from Vista to Win7 but better safe than sorry. Considering that just about every Apple app seems to suck on Windows or cause serious issues down the line, Im happier too with the machines I have to support to just see iTunes die in a fire. Ahem. Anyways.</p><p>Googles toolbar seems stranger to block however do all versions of the toolbar install the updater or check for updates regularly? Honestly dont know so cant say either way but it wouldnt suprise me if most copies of the toolbar are older and cause issues with IE8 (which comes on Win7 but not Vista) vs. IE7. Hell, most older toolbars cause issues with IE8. Thankfully, Microsoft seems to be getting better at proactively blocking/alerting you to bad toolbars but you still run into alot of really ODD issues that can be fixed by disabling all toolbars and adding back until you find the one, random ass toolbar or addin thats causing crashes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This actually makes alot of sense considering what Microsoft started with Vista .
For example , Sp1 wouldnt show up under Windows Update under Vista unless all drivers were updated to the latest certified versions .
Even if you attempted to install it yourself through the forced IT Pro download it 'd disable old , known to bork drivers ( and yes , this did happen with a few wireless and audio drivers ) but it 'd then attempt to snag the latest driver on restart.Since iTunes in my experience has caused a shit ton of issues with disabling CD/DVD drives ( very , very common actually ) as well as a significant amount of USB related issues Im not suprised that they 're asking you to uninstall it upon an upgrade .
Granted , there shouldnt be any serious issues going from Vista to Win7 but better safe than sorry .
Considering that just about every Apple app seems to suck on Windows or cause serious issues down the line , Im happier too with the machines I have to support to just see iTunes die in a fire .
Ahem. Anyways.Googles toolbar seems stranger to block however do all versions of the toolbar install the updater or check for updates regularly ?
Honestly dont know so cant say either way but it wouldnt suprise me if most copies of the toolbar are older and cause issues with IE8 ( which comes on Win7 but not Vista ) vs. IE7. Hell , most older toolbars cause issues with IE8 .
Thankfully , Microsoft seems to be getting better at proactively blocking/alerting you to bad toolbars but you still run into alot of really ODD issues that can be fixed by disabling all toolbars and adding back until you find the one , random ass toolbar or addin thats causing crashes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This actually makes alot of sense considering what Microsoft started with Vista.
For example, Sp1 wouldnt show up under Windows Update under Vista unless all drivers were updated to the latest certified versions.
Even if you attempted to install it yourself through the forced IT Pro download it'd disable old, known to bork drivers (and yes, this did happen with a few wireless and audio drivers) but it'd then attempt to snag the latest driver on restart.Since iTunes in my experience has caused a shit ton of issues with disabling CD/DVD drives (very, very common actually) as well as a significant amount of USB related issues Im not suprised that they're asking you to uninstall it upon an upgrade.
Granted, there shouldnt be any serious issues going from Vista to Win7 but better safe than sorry.
Considering that just about every Apple app seems to suck on Windows or cause serious issues down the line, Im happier too with the machines I have to support to just see iTunes die in a fire.
Ahem. Anyways.Googles toolbar seems stranger to block however do all versions of the toolbar install the updater or check for updates regularly?
Honestly dont know so cant say either way but it wouldnt suprise me if most copies of the toolbar are older and cause issues with IE8 (which comes on Win7 but not Vista) vs. IE7. Hell, most older toolbars cause issues with IE8.
Thankfully, Microsoft seems to be getting better at proactively blocking/alerting you to bad toolbars but you still run into alot of really ODD issues that can be fixed by disabling all toolbars and adding back until you find the one, random ass toolbar or addin thats causing crashes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829209</id>
	<title>Compatibility?</title>
	<author>holiggan</author>
	<datestamp>1256122020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I play a bit of devil's advocate? My guess is that the need to remove iTunes and Google toolbar might be related to compatibility issues (i.e., the version that the users have currently not being the "latest" one, or the one "100\%" compatible with 7). Without any more concret info, like the version number for iTunes of all the machines involved, if 7 "demands" diferent things with the same version installed, etc, we can't really be sure what's the issue here, and assume it's for the best for the users (not having potentialy incompatible software installed on 7).</p><p>Now before someone says "but I've been using iTunes 2.0 with 7 since forever!!", well, I'm just speculating as much as the next guy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) Afterall, this is Slashdot, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I play a bit of devil 's advocate ?
My guess is that the need to remove iTunes and Google toolbar might be related to compatibility issues ( i.e. , the version that the users have currently not being the " latest " one , or the one " 100 \ % " compatible with 7 ) .
Without any more concret info , like the version number for iTunes of all the machines involved , if 7 " demands " diferent things with the same version installed , etc , we ca n't really be sure what 's the issue here , and assume it 's for the best for the users ( not having potentialy incompatible software installed on 7 ) .Now before someone says " but I 've been using iTunes 2.0 with 7 since forever ! !
" , well , I 'm just speculating as much as the next guy : ) Afterall , this is Slashdot , right ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I play a bit of devil's advocate?
My guess is that the need to remove iTunes and Google toolbar might be related to compatibility issues (i.e., the version that the users have currently not being the "latest" one, or the one "100\%" compatible with 7).
Without any more concret info, like the version number for iTunes of all the machines involved, if 7 "demands" diferent things with the same version installed, etc, we can't really be sure what's the issue here, and assume it's for the best for the users (not having potentialy incompatible software installed on 7).Now before someone says "but I've been using iTunes 2.0 with 7 since forever!!
", well, I'm just speculating as much as the next guy :) Afterall, this is Slashdot, right?
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831297</id>
	<title>Re:iTunes is evil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256138760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iTunes has certainly caused its fair share of havoc on my otherwise perfectly sound XP install. Just like a bad partner it absolutely refuses to be anywhere but on top at all times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes has certainly caused its fair share of havoc on my otherwise perfectly sound XP install .
Just like a bad partner it absolutely refuses to be anywhere but on top at all times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes has certainly caused its fair share of havoc on my otherwise perfectly sound XP install.
Just like a bad partner it absolutely refuses to be anywhere but on top at all times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829023</id>
	<title>Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1256121000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've no plans to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP whatsoever but if people are being asked to remove iTunes and Google Toolbar, this implies they are using an "install over the top" upgrade method, rather than "backup, format and install from new".</p><p>And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've no plans to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP whatsoever but if people are being asked to remove iTunes and Google Toolbar , this implies they are using an " install over the top " upgrade method , rather than " backup , format and install from new " .And if these people * * REALLY * * believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion , let alone MS Windows , will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards , then they probably should n't be anywhere near a computer in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've no plans to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP whatsoever but if people are being asked to remove iTunes and Google Toolbar, this implies they are using an "install over the top" upgrade method, rather than "backup, format and install from new".And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829777</id>
	<title>Some Users Say</title>
	<author>Cur8or</author>
	<datestamp>1256125320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext> Some Users Say they want to remove Win7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some Users Say they want to remove Win7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Some Users Say they want to remove Win7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829013</id>
	<title>About iTunes -- from the article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the a quote from the article of a user who found that Windows 7 asked that the user uninstall iTunes:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.</p></div><p>While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.</p><p>I will note that many users had significant difficulties with using non-Apple software after upgrading to Snow Leopard.</p><p>I myself have had significant difficulties using already installed software after upgrading various shared libraries via ports on FreeBSD.</p><p>I would suggest that these issues are along the lines of what Microsoft was doing when it asked the user to uninstall iTunes and the Google Toolbar.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the a quote from the article of a user who found that Windows 7 asked that the user uninstall iTunes : ...and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration , my library and apps were all there.While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall , it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.I will note that many users had significant difficulties with using non-Apple software after upgrading to Snow Leopard.I myself have had significant difficulties using already installed software after upgrading various shared libraries via ports on FreeBSD.I would suggest that these issues are along the lines of what Microsoft was doing when it asked the user to uninstall iTunes and the Google Toolbar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the a quote from the article of a user who found that Windows 7 asked that the user uninstall iTunes: ...and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.While I agree it is suspicious that iTunes and the Google Toolbar were the only applications that Windows 7 ask that particular user to uninstall, it should be made clear that Windows 7 did not impede the user from using that software or foist a MS application on him.I will note that many users had significant difficulties with using non-Apple software after upgrading to Snow Leopard.I myself have had significant difficulties using already installed software after upgrading various shared libraries via ports on FreeBSD.I would suggest that these issues are along the lines of what Microsoft was doing when it asked the user to uninstall iTunes and the Google Toolbar.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830137</id>
	<title>Maybe I'm just stupid but</title>
	<author>Veretax</author>
	<datestamp>1256128020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is the google toolbar even an issue if IE 8 allows you to select google as a browser engine just like you can with Fire Fox now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the google toolbar even an issue if IE 8 allows you to select google as a browser engine just like you can with Fire Fox now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the google toolbar even an issue if IE 8 allows you to select google as a browser engine just like you can with Fire Fox now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832413</id>
	<title>Re:About iTunes -- from the article</title>
	<author>Lennie</author>
	<datestamp>1256154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe that's why their is now a Debian/kFreeBSD. So upgrades are easier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe that 's why their is now a Debian/kFreeBSD .
So upgrades are easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe that's why their is now a Debian/kFreeBSD.
So upgrades are easier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829013</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832561</id>
	<title>FUD, Damned FUD, and anti-MS-FUD</title>
	<author>RobbieCrash</author>
	<datestamp>1256243580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you try to install iTunes 6 on Vista, Vista whines. If you try to use Netscape 4, the internet doesn't work.

This is the same fucking thing. Any version of the Google Toolbar or iTunes &gt;7 works fine on Windows 7. If people can't be bothered to update their software, I don't see how this is a strike against Windows.

When you upgrade kernels in Linux you get notified that some software won't work properly. What's the difference?

It's not just Google/Apple/Linux apps that get a "this app isn't gonna work dude" warning. I was warned about SMAC, Pharaoh, Fallout 1 and 2 and Civ 4 when I upgraded. Are Firaxis, Sierra, Interplay/Black Isle and 2K Games in direct competition with MS?

Fuck off. This headline and the entire gist of the article is just as much baseless FUD as the anti-Linux horse shit that MS puts out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you try to install iTunes 6 on Vista , Vista whines .
If you try to use Netscape 4 , the internet does n't work .
This is the same fucking thing .
Any version of the Google Toolbar or iTunes &gt; 7 works fine on Windows 7 .
If people ca n't be bothered to update their software , I do n't see how this is a strike against Windows .
When you upgrade kernels in Linux you get notified that some software wo n't work properly .
What 's the difference ?
It 's not just Google/Apple/Linux apps that get a " this app is n't gon na work dude " warning .
I was warned about SMAC , Pharaoh , Fallout 1 and 2 and Civ 4 when I upgraded .
Are Firaxis , Sierra , Interplay/Black Isle and 2K Games in direct competition with MS ?
Fuck off .
This headline and the entire gist of the article is just as much baseless FUD as the anti-Linux horse shit that MS puts out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you try to install iTunes 6 on Vista, Vista whines.
If you try to use Netscape 4, the internet doesn't work.
This is the same fucking thing.
Any version of the Google Toolbar or iTunes &gt;7 works fine on Windows 7.
If people can't be bothered to update their software, I don't see how this is a strike against Windows.
When you upgrade kernels in Linux you get notified that some software won't work properly.
What's the difference?
It's not just Google/Apple/Linux apps that get a "this app isn't gonna work dude" warning.
I was warned about SMAC, Pharaoh, Fallout 1 and 2 and Civ 4 when I upgraded.
Are Firaxis, Sierra, Interplay/Black Isle and 2K Games in direct competition with MS?
Fuck off.
This headline and the entire gist of the article is just as much baseless FUD as the anti-Linux horse shit that MS puts out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834299</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1256220840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and the system needs a reboot with it gone (in true Microsoft fashion).</p></div><p>True Fedora and Ubuntu fashion too! I use Fedora Core 11 at work and Ubuntu 9.04 at home and they require reboots after security updates ALL the time.  And don't get me started on the kernel update Fedora pushed out that panics my system every boot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the system needs a reboot with it gone ( in true Microsoft fashion ) .True Fedora and Ubuntu fashion too !
I use Fedora Core 11 at work and Ubuntu 9.04 at home and they require reboots after security updates ALL the time .
And do n't get me started on the kernel update Fedora pushed out that panics my system every boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the system needs a reboot with it gone (in true Microsoft fashion).True Fedora and Ubuntu fashion too!
I use Fedora Core 11 at work and Ubuntu 9.04 at home and they require reboots after security updates ALL the time.
And don't get me started on the kernel update Fedora pushed out that panics my system every boot.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831067</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>rhizome</author>
	<datestamp>1256135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.</i></p><p>Sure it's "legitimate," but consider the possibility that Slashdot is narcissistic in this regard. They've identified so much with an anti-Microsoft perspective that they are stuck with being critical even if Microsoft improves. Their identity comes before anything else, and they are pathologically driven to post submissions such as this one in order to protect The Slashdot at all costs. In other words, par for the course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.Sure it 's " legitimate , " but consider the possibility that Slashdot is narcissistic in this regard .
They 've identified so much with an anti-Microsoft perspective that they are stuck with being critical even if Microsoft improves .
Their identity comes before anything else , and they are pathologically driven to post submissions such as this one in order to protect The Slashdot at all costs .
In other words , par for the course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.Sure it's "legitimate," but consider the possibility that Slashdot is narcissistic in this regard.
They've identified so much with an anti-Microsoft perspective that they are stuck with being critical even if Microsoft improves.
Their identity comes before anything else, and they are pathologically driven to post submissions such as this one in order to protect The Slashdot at all costs.
In other words, par for the course.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29838767</id>
	<title>It's for the best, really -</title>
	<author>Progman3K</author>
	<datestamp>1256241900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the upgrade was truly better, it would un-install Windows and install Linux!</p><p>I know it's tired, but it's true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the upgrade was truly better , it would un-install Windows and install Linux ! I know it 's tired , but it 's true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the upgrade was truly better, it would un-install Windows and install Linux!I know it's tired, but it's true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829865</id>
	<title>Its true</title>
	<author>ebursley</author>
	<datestamp>1256125920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>During my testing of Win7 RTM a month ago, I performed an upgrade of Vista Ultimate to Win7 Ultimate. I had to remove iTunes, my Anti-virus software, VMWare Workstation prior to the upgrade. I was however able to reinstall them after the successful upgrade. The upgrade did take about 3 hours though.
I also lost all of my Windows Vista Ultimate features, such as Dream Scene and some games that came with Vista Ultimate like Texas Hold'em</htmltext>
<tokenext>During my testing of Win7 RTM a month ago , I performed an upgrade of Vista Ultimate to Win7 Ultimate .
I had to remove iTunes , my Anti-virus software , VMWare Workstation prior to the upgrade .
I was however able to reinstall them after the successful upgrade .
The upgrade did take about 3 hours though .
I also lost all of my Windows Vista Ultimate features , such as Dream Scene and some games that came with Vista Ultimate like Texas Hold'em</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During my testing of Win7 RTM a month ago, I performed an upgrade of Vista Ultimate to Win7 Ultimate.
I had to remove iTunes, my Anti-virus software, VMWare Workstation prior to the upgrade.
I was however able to reinstall them after the successful upgrade.
The upgrade did take about 3 hours though.
I also lost all of my Windows Vista Ultimate features, such as Dream Scene and some games that came with Vista Ultimate like Texas Hold'em</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29832755</id>
	<title>Re:Ya well no surprise</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1256203320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The MS haters are running scared right now.</p></div></blockquote><p>Most of us MS haters have just wanted to see better MS products right back from before they showed us they couldn't even get "ping" right and made something so broken you could use it to crash machines on the net.<br>Most of us MS haters have shelled out significant amounts of money into MS pockets unlike the warez using MS fanboys out there.<br>You've got it wrong, we WANT to see better MS products out there becuase we all get roped into trying to fix steaming piles of malware no matter what platform we normally work on.<br>We really just hate the history of incredibly stupid choices giving broken software and gaping security holes (eg. wide open ports listening to do the bidding of any virus, active-x and hundreds of other easy malware vectors over the years).<br>Besides, Microsoft don't even rate on any sort of scale of evil that has Adobe (jailing critics) or Macrovision let alone Blackwater.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The MS haters are running scared right now.Most of us MS haters have just wanted to see better MS products right back from before they showed us they could n't even get " ping " right and made something so broken you could use it to crash machines on the net.Most of us MS haters have shelled out significant amounts of money into MS pockets unlike the warez using MS fanboys out there.You 've got it wrong , we WANT to see better MS products out there becuase we all get roped into trying to fix steaming piles of malware no matter what platform we normally work on.We really just hate the history of incredibly stupid choices giving broken software and gaping security holes ( eg .
wide open ports listening to do the bidding of any virus , active-x and hundreds of other easy malware vectors over the years ) .Besides , Microsoft do n't even rate on any sort of scale of evil that has Adobe ( jailing critics ) or Macrovision let alone Blackwater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MS haters are running scared right now.Most of us MS haters have just wanted to see better MS products right back from before they showed us they couldn't even get "ping" right and made something so broken you could use it to crash machines on the net.Most of us MS haters have shelled out significant amounts of money into MS pockets unlike the warez using MS fanboys out there.You've got it wrong, we WANT to see better MS products out there becuase we all get roped into trying to fix steaming piles of malware no matter what platform we normally work on.We really just hate the history of incredibly stupid choices giving broken software and gaping security holes (eg.
wide open ports listening to do the bidding of any virus, active-x and hundreds of other easy malware vectors over the years).Besides, Microsoft don't even rate on any sort of scale of evil that has Adobe (jailing critics) or Macrovision let alone Blackwater.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830049</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831075</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1256135820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft. If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten, why does Slashdot feel the need to lie? It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.</p></div><p>Truthfully, I've been trying to understand why the delusional, pro-Linux groupthink has become so bad around here, recently.</p><p>Granted, there's always been some of it to a greater or lesser degree, but in the past, Slashdot used to be somewhat self-correcting; you'd get a blatant Linux or FSF fanboy making one of their usual insane statements, but then you'd get someone else exposing the first poster as nuts and putting them in their place.</p><p>Now, it never happens.  The recent thread about Pulseaudio was a fantastic case in point; despite the number of people who've reported problems with it, the apologist developers and supporting trolls were out in force, and were also supported by people with mod points.  The official stance was that Pulse was fine, there was nothing wrong with it, and if there was a problem, it was downstream's fault, so we should all just shut up, enjoy this miraculous innovation in Linux audio, and worship the tireless devs for bringing it to us.</p><p>And again, with the recent IBM/Ubuntu thread.  Not only were my statements refuted, they were then down moderated Troll or Flamebait as well.  The fanboys without mod points bombard you with ad hominem, and then the fanboys *with* points downmod your supposedly baseless post into oblivion, in order to ensure that it never sees the light of day.</p><p>The worst case of this was when I also suggested PostgreSQL as an alternative to MySQL.  That got modded down to -1; the GPL fanatics are absolutely terrified of anyone using BSD licensed software; the BSD license is seen as a lethal threat, that must be stopped at all costs.</p><p>You really are deeply pathetic, Linux community.  Normally when people report problems, the sane thing to do is to actually listen to said feedback, and try and improve.  The Stallman-inspired (and make no mistake, I know exactly where the above toxicity originates from) strategy, however, is to do exactly the opposite.  Continue to engage in abject denial, bury any dissent that appears, and if possible, silence the dissenter.</p><p>Now go ahead; mod me down, like good monkies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly , the less I despise Microsoft .
If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten , why does Slashdot feel the need to lie ?
It makes Slashdot look like it 's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda , and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.Truthfully , I 've been trying to understand why the delusional , pro-Linux groupthink has become so bad around here , recently.Granted , there 's always been some of it to a greater or lesser degree , but in the past , Slashdot used to be somewhat self-correcting ; you 'd get a blatant Linux or FSF fanboy making one of their usual insane statements , but then you 'd get someone else exposing the first poster as nuts and putting them in their place.Now , it never happens .
The recent thread about Pulseaudio was a fantastic case in point ; despite the number of people who 've reported problems with it , the apologist developers and supporting trolls were out in force , and were also supported by people with mod points .
The official stance was that Pulse was fine , there was nothing wrong with it , and if there was a problem , it was downstream 's fault , so we should all just shut up , enjoy this miraculous innovation in Linux audio , and worship the tireless devs for bringing it to us.And again , with the recent IBM/Ubuntu thread .
Not only were my statements refuted , they were then down moderated Troll or Flamebait as well .
The fanboys without mod points bombard you with ad hominem , and then the fanboys * with * points downmod your supposedly baseless post into oblivion , in order to ensure that it never sees the light of day.The worst case of this was when I also suggested PostgreSQL as an alternative to MySQL .
That got modded down to -1 ; the GPL fanatics are absolutely terrified of anyone using BSD licensed software ; the BSD license is seen as a lethal threat , that must be stopped at all costs.You really are deeply pathetic , Linux community .
Normally when people report problems , the sane thing to do is to actually listen to said feedback , and try and improve .
The Stallman-inspired ( and make no mistake , I know exactly where the above toxicity originates from ) strategy , however , is to do exactly the opposite .
Continue to engage in abject denial , bury any dissent that appears , and if possible , silence the dissenter.Now go ahead ; mod me down , like good monkies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, the more Slashdot bashes Microsoft unfairly, the less I despise Microsoft.
If Microsoft is supposedly so rotten, why does Slashdot feel the need to lie?
It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda, and makes me question how much of the bashing of MS is legitimate.Truthfully, I've been trying to understand why the delusional, pro-Linux groupthink has become so bad around here, recently.Granted, there's always been some of it to a greater or lesser degree, but in the past, Slashdot used to be somewhat self-correcting; you'd get a blatant Linux or FSF fanboy making one of their usual insane statements, but then you'd get someone else exposing the first poster as nuts and putting them in their place.Now, it never happens.
The recent thread about Pulseaudio was a fantastic case in point; despite the number of people who've reported problems with it, the apologist developers and supporting trolls were out in force, and were also supported by people with mod points.
The official stance was that Pulse was fine, there was nothing wrong with it, and if there was a problem, it was downstream's fault, so we should all just shut up, enjoy this miraculous innovation in Linux audio, and worship the tireless devs for bringing it to us.And again, with the recent IBM/Ubuntu thread.
Not only were my statements refuted, they were then down moderated Troll or Flamebait as well.
The fanboys without mod points bombard you with ad hominem, and then the fanboys *with* points downmod your supposedly baseless post into oblivion, in order to ensure that it never sees the light of day.The worst case of this was when I also suggested PostgreSQL as an alternative to MySQL.
That got modded down to -1; the GPL fanatics are absolutely terrified of anyone using BSD licensed software; the BSD license is seen as a lethal threat, that must be stopped at all costs.You really are deeply pathetic, Linux community.
Normally when people report problems, the sane thing to do is to actually listen to said feedback, and try and improve.
The Stallman-inspired (and make no mistake, I know exactly where the above toxicity originates from) strategy, however, is to do exactly the opposite.
Continue to engage in abject denial, bury any dissent that appears, and if possible, silence the dissenter.Now go ahead; mod me down, like good monkies.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29837553</id>
	<title>Win 64 and WIn 32 machines</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1256236560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My desktop is 64 bit, my laptop is 32 bit.<br> <br>

I ordered Windows 7 Home Premium.  I didn't see a 64 bit vs a 32 bit version. Does the one Windows 7 Home Premium support 64 bit and 32 bit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My desktop is 64 bit , my laptop is 32 bit .
I ordered Windows 7 Home Premium .
I did n't see a 64 bit vs a 32 bit version .
Does the one Windows 7 Home Premium support 64 bit and 32 bit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My desktop is 64 bit, my laptop is 32 bit.
I ordered Windows 7 Home Premium.
I didn't see a 64 bit vs a 32 bit version.
Does the one Windows 7 Home Premium support 64 bit and 32 bit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833673</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>Ed Avis</author>
	<datestamp>1256215980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, 'cos reinstalling Windows for the nth time is such a productive and fun way to spend your life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , 'cos reinstalling Windows for the nth time is such a productive and fun way to spend your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, 'cos reinstalling Windows for the nth time is such a productive and fun way to spend your life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828965</id>
	<title>You can add them back...</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1256120760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, this obviously applies only to upgrades.</p><p>Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.</p><p>After Win7 is installed you can add it back, and not lose any of your music.</p><p>Don't make a big deal out of Microsoft trying to remove the effects of misbehaved software corrupting the install.</p><p>There is no issue here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , this obviously applies only to upgrades.Second , iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack , and it needs to go.After Win7 is installed you can add it back , and not lose any of your music.Do n't make a big deal out of Microsoft trying to remove the effects of misbehaved software corrupting the install.There is no issue here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, this obviously applies only to upgrades.Second, iTunes does horrible things to your USB stack, and it needs to go.After Win7 is installed you can add it back, and not lose any of your music.Don't make a big deal out of Microsoft trying to remove the effects of misbehaved software corrupting the install.There is no issue here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830993</id>
	<title>Hah!</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1256134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hah! And they say that Microsoft can't do anything right!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hah !
And they say that Microsoft ca n't do anything right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hah!
And they say that Microsoft can't do anything right!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829747</id>
	<title>Upgrade does not support 32 to 64 bit</title>
	<author>SFWind</author>
	<datestamp>1256125140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Users should consider upgrading to x64 of Windows 7. When you upgrade from 32 bit Windows XP and provided your hardware supports it you shuld install 64 bit OS. Yet one more reason not to upgrade. User state migration tool will greatly improve your experience and in the process you can install 64 bit OS. Download it form here:
<a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722032(WS.10).aspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722032(WS.10).aspx</a> [microsoft.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Users should consider upgrading to x64 of Windows 7 .
When you upgrade from 32 bit Windows XP and provided your hardware supports it you shuld install 64 bit OS .
Yet one more reason not to upgrade .
User state migration tool will greatly improve your experience and in the process you can install 64 bit OS .
Download it form here : http : //technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722032 ( WS.10 ) .aspx [ microsoft.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Users should consider upgrading to x64 of Windows 7.
When you upgrade from 32 bit Windows XP and provided your hardware supports it you shuld install 64 bit OS.
Yet one more reason not to upgrade.
User state migration tool will greatly improve your experience and in the process you can install 64 bit OS.
Download it form here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722032(WS.10).aspx [microsoft.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829859</id>
	<title>Better luck</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1256125860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.</p></div><p>Windows refused to install in those cases?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article indicates that many of these early users , though , are having better luck.Windows refused to install in those cases ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article indicates that many of these early users, though, are having better luck.Windows refused to install in those cases?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29836229</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1256231040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mac OS X.  Updgrades from 10.3 -&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.4 -&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.5 -&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.6 ALL worked flawlessly.</p><p>Maybe your las sentence should be "they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a Windows computer in the first place'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac OS X. Updgrades from 10.3 - &gt; .4 - &gt; .5 - &gt; .6 ALL worked flawlessly.Maybe your las sentence should be " they probably should n't be anywhere near a Windows computer in the first place' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac OS X.  Updgrades from 10.3 -&gt; .4 -&gt; .5 -&gt; .6 ALL worked flawlessly.Maybe your las sentence should be "they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a Windows computer in the first place'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829021</id>
	<title>OMFG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh my God, Windows actually warns you that some apps you have installed could be incompatible with version 7 and suggests that they be removed.  Is there no end to the evil that Redmond does?</p><p>That's all sarcasm for you more literal-minded folks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh my God , Windows actually warns you that some apps you have installed could be incompatible with version 7 and suggests that they be removed .
Is there no end to the evil that Redmond does ? That 's all sarcasm for you more literal-minded folks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh my God, Windows actually warns you that some apps you have installed could be incompatible with version 7 and suggests that they be removed.
Is there no end to the evil that Redmond does?That's all sarcasm for you more literal-minded folks...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829967</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Frosty Piss</author>
	<datestamp>1256126520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have to understand: The "story" was accepted by Timothy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to understand : The " story " was accepted by Timothy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to understand: The "story" was accepted by Timothy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29833589</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1256214960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't get confused just because a bunch of idiots jump on the bandwagon.  That doesn't mean that the bandwagon is wrong, just that there are some idiots on it.  Every good cause has some misguided idiots that -think- they are helping, but they are really hurting the cause.</p><p>Microsoft still does plenty of underhanded things, but they are starting to get lost in the noise of all the idiots screaming about things that don't matter.</p><p>The idiots don't make me stop watching Microsoft, but they are starting to make me stop watching Slashdot.  (And let's face it, Digg and Fark are completely pointless except for entertainment.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get confused just because a bunch of idiots jump on the bandwagon .
That does n't mean that the bandwagon is wrong , just that there are some idiots on it .
Every good cause has some misguided idiots that -think- they are helping , but they are really hurting the cause.Microsoft still does plenty of underhanded things , but they are starting to get lost in the noise of all the idiots screaming about things that do n't matter.The idiots do n't make me stop watching Microsoft , but they are starting to make me stop watching Slashdot .
( And let 's face it , Digg and Fark are completely pointless except for entertainment .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get confused just because a bunch of idiots jump on the bandwagon.
That doesn't mean that the bandwagon is wrong, just that there are some idiots on it.
Every good cause has some misguided idiots that -think- they are helping, but they are really hurting the cause.Microsoft still does plenty of underhanded things, but they are starting to get lost in the noise of all the idiots screaming about things that don't matter.The idiots don't make me stop watching Microsoft, but they are starting to make me stop watching Slashdot.
(And let's face it, Digg and Fark are completely pointless except for entertainment.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834943</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256225340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make some points, but what about pulse audio? You people always criticize Linux for not having a uniform audio interface (among other things), so what *is* your problem with pulse audio? Don't work? Send a patch or bug report, help the devs.</p><p>If MS had something like Pulseaudio they would've pushed it, there'd be no discussion on what is the best low-level approach OSS or Alsa and other details and everyone would just use it. This is one of those things that's a strength of open-source (freedom, even anarchy) which sometimes comes out as weakness (indecisiveness, API unstability).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make some points , but what about pulse audio ?
You people always criticize Linux for not having a uniform audio interface ( among other things ) , so what * is * your problem with pulse audio ?
Do n't work ?
Send a patch or bug report , help the devs.If MS had something like Pulseaudio they would 've pushed it , there 'd be no discussion on what is the best low-level approach OSS or Alsa and other details and everyone would just use it .
This is one of those things that 's a strength of open-source ( freedom , even anarchy ) which sometimes comes out as weakness ( indecisiveness , API unstability ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make some points, but what about pulse audio?
You people always criticize Linux for not having a uniform audio interface (among other things), so what *is* your problem with pulse audio?
Don't work?
Send a patch or bug report, help the devs.If MS had something like Pulseaudio they would've pushed it, there'd be no discussion on what is the best low-level approach OSS or Alsa and other details and everyone would just use it.
This is one of those things that's a strength of open-source (freedom, even anarchy) which sometimes comes out as weakness (indecisiveness, API unstability).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831075</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29838561</id>
	<title>Everything's fine here</title>
	<author>adrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256240940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit on my cheapo two-year-old Dell desktop (AMD 3600 x2, 4 GB RAM, GeForce 7300LE) and it is running beautifully.  I had to wipe the drive since I had the 32-bit Release Candidate Installed, but that was painless.  I just copied my user folder to an external drive, formatted the hard drive, did a clean install and then copied my stuff back.  The install only took about 10 minutes!  Copying my stuff back and forth was actually the most time-consuming part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit on my cheapo two-year-old Dell desktop ( AMD 3600 x2 , 4 GB RAM , GeForce 7300LE ) and it is running beautifully .
I had to wipe the drive since I had the 32-bit Release Candidate Installed , but that was painless .
I just copied my user folder to an external drive , formatted the hard drive , did a clean install and then copied my stuff back .
The install only took about 10 minutes !
Copying my stuff back and forth was actually the most time-consuming part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit on my cheapo two-year-old Dell desktop (AMD 3600 x2, 4 GB RAM, GeForce 7300LE) and it is running beautifully.
I had to wipe the drive since I had the 32-bit Release Candidate Installed, but that was painless.
I just copied my user folder to an external drive, formatted the hard drive, did a clean install and then copied my stuff back.
The install only took about 10 minutes!
Copying my stuff back and forth was actually the most time-consuming part.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29834799</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256224500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Now go ahead; mod me down, like good monkies.</p><p>Funny you got modded up so much that it (almost?) disproves your whole conspiracy theory.</p><p>To me, a Linux user (not fanboy), it seems actually the opposite, there weren't so many people nagging about the Linux favoritism on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in the past, so your number must have increased.</p><p>Not that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. doesn't suck these days, but that's mainly because of people like you that I don't read it anymore as much as I did, because there's always going to be some MS-fanboy wining about the Linux conspiracy... So it's all the perspective, I guess.</p><p>Also, you evidence is anecdotal at best, so to counter that, I'm a PostgreSQL user to, because it had/has a more complete SQL feature set. See that's the evidence that not every pro-opensource user on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is against BSD (why should we, BSD = open source).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Now go ahead ; mod me down , like good monkies.Funny you got modded up so much that it ( almost ?
) disproves your whole conspiracy theory.To me , a Linux user ( not fanboy ) , it seems actually the opposite , there were n't so many people nagging about the Linux favoritism on / .
in the past , so your number must have increased.Not that / .
does n't suck these days , but that 's mainly because of people like you that I do n't read it anymore as much as I did , because there 's always going to be some MS-fanboy wining about the Linux conspiracy... So it 's all the perspective , I guess.Also , you evidence is anecdotal at best , so to counter that , I 'm a PostgreSQL user to , because it had/has a more complete SQL feature set .
See that 's the evidence that not every pro-opensource user on / .
is against BSD ( why should we , BSD = open source ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Now go ahead; mod me down, like good monkies.Funny you got modded up so much that it (almost?
) disproves your whole conspiracy theory.To me, a Linux user (not fanboy), it seems actually the opposite, there weren't so many people nagging about the Linux favoritism on /.
in the past, so your number must have increased.Not that /.
doesn't suck these days, but that's mainly because of people like you that I don't read it anymore as much as I did, because there's always going to be some MS-fanboy wining about the Linux conspiracy... So it's all the perspective, I guess.Also, you evidence is anecdotal at best, so to counter that, I'm a PostgreSQL user to, because it had/has a more complete SQL feature set.
See that's the evidence that not every pro-opensource user on /.
is against BSD (why should we, BSD = open source).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831075</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830647</id>
	<title>Re:You can add them back...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256131800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iTunes is damned far from user-space software. It installs all sorts of bad kernel mode stuff. It's the only music player that I've ever seen cause a BSOD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iTunes is damned far from user-space software .
It installs all sorts of bad kernel mode stuff .
It 's the only music player that I 've ever seen cause a BSOD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iTunes is damned far from user-space software.
It installs all sorts of bad kernel mode stuff.
It's the only music player that I've ever seen cause a BSOD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829097</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29839633</id>
	<title>Uninstall?</title>
	<author>samdu</author>
	<datestamp>1256203200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should be installing this to a clean hard drive. Not upgrading, anyway. Have these people never installed a Windows operating system before?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should be installing this to a clean hard drive .
Not upgrading , anyway .
Have these people never installed a Windows operating system before ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should be installing this to a clean hard drive.
Not upgrading, anyway.
Have these people never installed a Windows operating system before?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29831127</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>tonycheese</author>
	<datestamp>1256136540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Absolutely agree with this, you summed up my feelings quite well. On top of that, this insane theory that every single statement supporting Microsoft is made by a "shill", it's just annoying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely agree with this , you summed up my feelings quite well .
On top of that , this insane theory that every single statement supporting Microsoft is made by a " shill " , it 's just annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely agree with this, you summed up my feelings quite well.
On top of that, this insane theory that every single statement supporting Microsoft is made by a "shill", it's just annoying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829457</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829845</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1256125800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.</p></div><p>Now that's not quite true. I've got the "cooker" test versions of Mandriva on my machine, and whilst most other people wipe a machine to test the cooker stuff, I test how a LOT of ex-Windows users would install an update of their OS, by clicking "update" instead of wiping and a fresh install. This way, I can see what applications break, and see if there are any work-arounds I can find myself, or suggest the package maintainer to run a test for a condition that might not have been tested for. I hope that people such as myself make it easier for these kind of "unsophisticated" users to have a working system, and not a borked one.<br>
<br>
Just because YOU know how to wipe and install a new OS, it doesn't mean the whole world does.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if these people * * REALLY * * believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion , let alone MS Windows , will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards , then they probably should n't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.Now that 's not quite true .
I 've got the " cooker " test versions of Mandriva on my machine , and whilst most other people wipe a machine to test the cooker stuff , I test how a LOT of ex-Windows users would install an update of their OS , by clicking " update " instead of wiping and a fresh install .
This way , I can see what applications break , and see if there are any work-arounds I can find myself , or suggest the package maintainer to run a test for a condition that might not have been tested for .
I hope that people such as myself make it easier for these kind of " unsophisticated " users to have a working system , and not a borked one .
Just because YOU know how to wipe and install a new OS , it does n't mean the whole world does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if these people **REALLY** believe that upgrading any OS in this fashion, let alone MS Windows, will end up giving them a nice clean install afterwards, then they probably shouldn't be anywhere near a computer in the first place.Now that's not quite true.
I've got the "cooker" test versions of Mandriva on my machine, and whilst most other people wipe a machine to test the cooker stuff, I test how a LOT of ex-Windows users would install an update of their OS, by clicking "update" instead of wiping and a fresh install.
This way, I can see what applications break, and see if there are any work-arounds I can find myself, or suggest the package maintainer to run a test for a condition that might not have been tested for.
I hope that people such as myself make it easier for these kind of "unsophisticated" users to have a working system, and not a borked one.
Just because YOU know how to wipe and install a new OS, it doesn't mean the whole world does.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829303</id>
	<title>One more /. non Issue here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256122380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm definitely not a windows fan(or user). I'm totally a Linux guy, but it seams there's no issue here. The only issue I see is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. loosing credibility with this kind of  stories. A major version change of operating system should be installed by a clean install and only morons upgrade. It's only natural that in the process of a new installation Windows tries to uninstall shitty software that mess with the core of the system.</p><p>Windows has plenty of real issues to bash about without this kind of shit.</p><p>If I was some windows user or Fan I would say: "If this is the kind of arguments<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has against windows all the other windows stories must be non-issues also"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm definitely not a windows fan ( or user ) .
I 'm totally a Linux guy , but it seams there 's no issue here .
The only issue I see is / .
loosing credibility with this kind of stories .
A major version change of operating system should be installed by a clean install and only morons upgrade .
It 's only natural that in the process of a new installation Windows tries to uninstall shitty software that mess with the core of the system.Windows has plenty of real issues to bash about without this kind of shit.If I was some windows user or Fan I would say : " If this is the kind of arguments / .
has against windows all the other windows stories must be non-issues also "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm definitely not a windows fan(or user).
I'm totally a Linux guy, but it seams there's no issue here.
The only issue I see is /.
loosing credibility with this kind of  stories.
A major version change of operating system should be installed by a clean install and only morons upgrade.
It's only natural that in the process of a new installation Windows tries to uninstall shitty software that mess with the core of the system.Windows has plenty of real issues to bash about without this kind of shit.If I was some windows user or Fan I would say: "If this is the kind of arguments /.
has against windows all the other windows stories must be non-issues also"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829385</id>
	<title>Re:Lie about windows to get posted on slashdot</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1256122860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, but I can't resist...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computer</p></div><p>I wish I could figure out how to instill Windows into my computer.  Maybe even infuse it with Windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , but I ca n't resist...content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computerI wish I could figure out how to instill Windows into my computer .
Maybe even infuse it with Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, but I can't resist...content with his instillation of Windows 7 on a computerI wish I could figure out how to instill Windows into my computer.
Maybe even infuse it with Windows.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29830991</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>Leebert</author>
	<datestamp>1256134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agenda</p></div><p>Yep, that about sums it up.</p><p>Slashdot:  Idiots with an agenda, since 1997.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes Slashdot look like it 's run by a bunch of idiots with an agendaYep , that about sums it up.Slashdot : Idiots with an agenda , since 1997. : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes Slashdot look like it's run by a bunch of idiots with an agendaYep, that about sums it up.Slashdot:  Idiots with an agenda, since 1997. :)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829007</id>
	<title>From TFA...</title>
	<author>golden age villain</author>
	<datestamp>1256120940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"At the end of it, Windows put back the drivers I removed, and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" At the end of it , Windows put back the drivers I removed , and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration , my library and apps were all there .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"At the end of it, Windows put back the drivers I removed, and I reinstalled iTunes which worked fine without any configuration, my library and apps were all there.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29851189</id>
	<title>Re:Just One Observation...</title>
	<author>rjstanford</author>
	<datestamp>1256290380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Upgrades require care and attention and planning. Just because it's currently beyond your capacity to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.</p></div></blockquote><p>OS upgrades are advertising that they "just work."  That's why people buy upgrade discs, after all.  If they won't work without care, attention, and planning, then they shouldn't be advertised as such.  That's their whole reason to exist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upgrades require care and attention and planning .
Just because it 's currently beyond your capacity to do it does n't mean it ca n't be done.OS upgrades are advertising that they " just work .
" That 's why people buy upgrade discs , after all .
If they wo n't work without care , attention , and planning , then they should n't be advertised as such .
That 's their whole reason to exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upgrades require care and attention and planning.
Just because it's currently beyond your capacity to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.OS upgrades are advertising that they "just work.
"  That's why people buy upgrade discs, after all.
If they won't work without care, attention, and planning, then they shouldn't be advertised as such.
That's their whole reason to exist.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829643</id>
	<title>Re:Crappy Summary</title>
	<author>zn0k</author>
	<datestamp>1256124480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., but then it reinstalled them!</p></div></blockquote><p>It didn't. It re-installed the 5 drivers that were also removed. The user had to manually re-install iTunes.</p><p>Not that that scenario is a catastrophe, either. Just saying.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it asked them to remove iTunes , etc. , but then it reinstalled them ! It did n't .
It re-installed the 5 drivers that were also removed .
The user had to manually re-install iTunes.Not that that scenario is a catastrophe , either .
Just saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it asked them to remove iTunes, etc., but then it reinstalled them!It didn't.
It re-installed the 5 drivers that were also removed.
The user had to manually re-install iTunes.Not that that scenario is a catastrophe, either.
Just saying.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29829107</id>
	<title>Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A) Only upgrade installs<br>
B) The 7 installer detects known incompatible software and asks you to uninstall it, making it very clear that it's going to do so.
<br> <br>
This is a non-story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) Only upgrade installs B ) The 7 installer detects known incompatible software and asks you to uninstall it , making it very clear that it 's going to do so .
This is a non-story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) Only upgrade installs
B) The 7 installer detects known incompatible software and asks you to uninstall it, making it very clear that it's going to do so.
This is a non-story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_21_2120251.29828977</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256120820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they didn't do this we would be reading about how the upgrade breaks competitor's software. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they did n't do this we would be reading about how the upgrade breaks competitor 's software .
Damned if you do , damned if you do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they didn't do this we would be reading about how the upgrade breaks competitor's software.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.</sentencetext>
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