<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_20_1833228</id>
	<title>Apple Blurs the Server Line With Mac Mini Server</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1256027760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://slashdot.org/~Toe\%2C+The/" rel="nofollow">Toe, The</a> writes <i>"Today Apple <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143394/2009/10/imac.html">announced</a> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143393/2009/10/whitemacbook.html">several</a> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143395/2009/10/magic\_mouse.html">new</a> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143397/2009/10/appleremote.html">hardware</a> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143398/2009/10/airportupdates.html">offerings</a>, including a new <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143396/2009/10/macmini.html">Mac mini</a>, their (almost-literally) pint-sized desktop computer. In a bizarre twist, they are now also offering a Mac mini <a href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/">with Mac OS X Server bundled in</a>, along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package. Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.' However, with the robust capabilities of <a href="http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/">Snow Leopard Server</a> (a true, if highly GUI-fied, UNIX server), it seems likely to find a niche in small businesses and even enthusiasts' homes. The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing. What the results will be in terms of security, etc. will be... interesting to watch as they develop."</i> El Reg has a <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/20/apple\_hardware\_refresh\_october\_09/">good roundup article</a> of the many announcements; the multi-touch <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/143395/2009/10/magic\_mouse.html">Magic Mouse</a> is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Toe , The writes " Today Apple announced several new hardware offerings , including a new Mac mini , their ( almost-literally ) pint-sized desktop computer .
In a bizarre twist , they are now also offering a Mac mini with Mac OS X Server bundled in , along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package .
Undoubtedly , many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server .
' However , with the robust capabilities of Snow Leopard Server ( a true , if highly GUI-fied , UNIX server ) , it seems likely to find a niche in small businesses and even enthusiasts ' homes .
The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing .
What the results will be in terms of security , etc .
will be... interesting to watch as they develop .
" El Reg has a good roundup article of the many announcements ; the multi-touch Magic Mouse is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Toe, The writes "Today Apple announced several new hardware offerings, including a new Mac mini, their (almost-literally) pint-sized desktop computer.
In a bizarre twist, they are now also offering a Mac mini with Mac OS X Server bundled in, along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.
Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.
' However, with the robust capabilities of Snow Leopard Server (a true, if highly GUI-fied, UNIX server), it seems likely to find a niche in small businesses and even enthusiasts' homes.
The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.
What the results will be in terms of security, etc.
will be... interesting to watch as they develop.
" El Reg has a good roundup article of the many announcements; the multi-touch Magic Mouse is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815537</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1256037180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From playing with a copy of Snow Leopard pretty briefly, I'd say that you can get some of the services up and running without knowing very much.  For example, it's pretty dead simple to get apache running with Apple's supported weblog and wiki software.  I wouldn't think DNS would be any easier for a new sysadmin on OSX.  Either you know how to configure DNS or you don't.  Mail setup seemed pretty easy, except you'll still have to know how to set up the DNS entries for a mail server to get it to be useful.  I couldn't get iChat server to work, but couldn't figure out what the problem was either.
</p><p>The real trick, however, isn't in getting services set up easily.  It's the question of what happens if you want to do something non-standard.  It'd be easy enough to configure an automatic install script for Apache on Linux, for example, if we assume a consistent configuration.  The difficulty in setting these things up usually comes when you ask, "Well what if I want to do something off-the-wall and whacky?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From playing with a copy of Snow Leopard pretty briefly , I 'd say that you can get some of the services up and running without knowing very much .
For example , it 's pretty dead simple to get apache running with Apple 's supported weblog and wiki software .
I would n't think DNS would be any easier for a new sysadmin on OSX .
Either you know how to configure DNS or you do n't .
Mail setup seemed pretty easy , except you 'll still have to know how to set up the DNS entries for a mail server to get it to be useful .
I could n't get iChat server to work , but could n't figure out what the problem was either .
The real trick , however , is n't in getting services set up easily .
It 's the question of what happens if you want to do something non-standard .
It 'd be easy enough to configure an automatic install script for Apache on Linux , for example , if we assume a consistent configuration .
The difficulty in setting these things up usually comes when you ask , " Well what if I want to do something off-the-wall and whacky ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From playing with a copy of Snow Leopard pretty briefly, I'd say that you can get some of the services up and running without knowing very much.
For example, it's pretty dead simple to get apache running with Apple's supported weblog and wiki software.
I wouldn't think DNS would be any easier for a new sysadmin on OSX.
Either you know how to configure DNS or you don't.
Mail setup seemed pretty easy, except you'll still have to know how to set up the DNS entries for a mail server to get it to be useful.
I couldn't get iChat server to work, but couldn't figure out what the problem was either.
The real trick, however, isn't in getting services set up easily.
It's the question of what happens if you want to do something non-standard.
It'd be easy enough to configure an automatic install script for Apache on Linux, for example, if we assume a consistent configuration.
The difficulty in setting these things up usually comes when you ask, "Well what if I want to do something off-the-wall and whacky?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29824275</id>
	<title>Daryll? Is that you ?</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1256144160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) is UNIX [opengroup.org]. Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. looks Daryll Mcbride has found a new job already!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ( for Intel ) is UNIX [ opengroup.org ] .
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.Oh .. looks Daryll Mcbride has found a new job already !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) is UNIX [opengroup.org].
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.Oh .. looks Daryll Mcbride has found a new job already!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816851</id>
	<title>I think the point is low power consumption</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1256044020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the type of server a small organization needs (LDAP directory, mail, even web content etc) you don't need a beefy XServe or Mac Pro. You can get away with Mac Mini and with its really low power consumption. For SOHO outfits that adds toward considerable savings on a yearly basis. Enough to pay for Mac Mini.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the type of server a small organization needs ( LDAP directory , mail , even web content etc ) you do n't need a beefy XServe or Mac Pro .
You can get away with Mac Mini and with its really low power consumption .
For SOHO outfits that adds toward considerable savings on a yearly basis .
Enough to pay for Mac Mini .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the type of server a small organization needs (LDAP directory, mail, even web content etc) you don't need a beefy XServe or Mac Pro.
You can get away with Mac Mini and with its really low power consumption.
For SOHO outfits that adds toward considerable savings on a yearly basis.
Enough to pay for Mac Mini.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814869</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>asdfghjklqwertyuiop</author>
	<datestamp>1256034180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade\_server" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade\_server</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade \ _server [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade\_server [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820989</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256122740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A thousand for a server" WOW! Why didn't anyone think of this ten years ago?? It's amazing how much money can be made on ignorance (of others, of course). A thousand can maybe buy the chassis for a real server! Now you go to a "Genius Bar", you come out so happy with a Mini, you set it up and begin to rely on it and one day it breaks down. Did you have backups? A way to *recover from them*? Oops or, even better, your trusty Mac OS X Server starts acting funny. "It's never done this"... Rebooting doesn't work. Time to call... who? A thousand for a server will buy you enough rope for you to hang yourself with. Hope you work in a country with good unemployment coverage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A thousand for a server " WOW !
Why did n't anyone think of this ten years ago ? ?
It 's amazing how much money can be made on ignorance ( of others , of course ) .
A thousand can maybe buy the chassis for a real server !
Now you go to a " Genius Bar " , you come out so happy with a Mini , you set it up and begin to rely on it and one day it breaks down .
Did you have backups ?
A way to * recover from them * ?
Oops or , even better , your trusty Mac OS X Server starts acting funny .
" It 's never done this " ... Rebooting does n't work .
Time to call... who ? A thousand for a server will buy you enough rope for you to hang yourself with .
Hope you work in a country with good unemployment coverage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A thousand for a server" WOW!
Why didn't anyone think of this ten years ago??
It's amazing how much money can be made on ignorance (of others, of course).
A thousand can maybe buy the chassis for a real server!
Now you go to a "Genius Bar", you come out so happy with a Mini, you set it up and begin to rely on it and one day it breaks down.
Did you have backups?
A way to *recover from them*?
Oops or, even better, your trusty Mac OS X Server starts acting funny.
"It's never done this"... Rebooting doesn't work.
Time to call... who? A thousand for a server will buy you enough rope for you to hang yourself with.
Hope you work in a country with good unemployment coverage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814841</id>
	<title>mod parent up</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1256034120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GP is just out of it.  Visual aesthetics?  The actual beauty of the Mac mini isn't "visual"; quite the contrary - it's that you can stick this thing out of the way and ignore it.  At home I use an old G4 Mac Mini plugged into a projector as my entertainment system -- the box itself is completely out of the way behind a cabinet door; there's no reason to even look at the thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GP is just out of it .
Visual aesthetics ?
The actual beauty of the Mac mini is n't " visual " ; quite the contrary - it 's that you can stick this thing out of the way and ignore it .
At home I use an old G4 Mac Mini plugged into a projector as my entertainment system -- the box itself is completely out of the way behind a cabinet door ; there 's no reason to even look at the thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GP is just out of it.
Visual aesthetics?
The actual beauty of the Mac mini isn't "visual"; quite the contrary - it's that you can stick this thing out of the way and ignore it.
At home I use an old G4 Mac Mini plugged into a projector as my entertainment system -- the box itself is completely out of the way behind a cabinet door; there's no reason to even look at the thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814539</id>
	<title>MythTV</title>
	<author>Nobo</author>
	<datestamp>1256033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In a bizarre twist, they are now also offering a Mac mini with Mac OS X Server bundled in, along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.</p></div><p>Uh.  Hello?  Ideal MythTV box?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a bizarre twist , they are now also offering a Mac mini with Mac OS X Server bundled in , along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.Uh .
Hello ? Ideal MythTV box ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a bizarre twist, they are now also offering a Mac mini with Mac OS X Server bundled in, along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.Uh.
Hello?  Ideal MythTV box?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814601</id>
	<title>Re:A solution in search of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office. People just don't realize that computers are serious business, and should only be operated by <i>experts.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office .
People just do n't realize that computers are serious business , and should only be operated by experts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office.
People just don't realize that computers are serious business, and should only be operated by experts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816031</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>kitserve</author>
	<datestamp>1256039580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never mind development boxes, there are companies that specialise in Mac Mini colocation! I run a couple of these myself (although not colo), they're quiet, don't take up much space, and only draw 20 watts when idling. That said, I use second hand PowerPC Minis with Debian on them, because (as others have also commented) I find the &pound;500 price tag for a new Intel Mini a bit ridiculous.</p><p>I'm kind of curious how they managed to fit two drives in, the ones I've opened up didn't have a great deal of space inside and storage capacity has always been a bit of problem because they only take 2.5 inch drives. While this isn't such a problem now, when I first start using a Mac Mini as a file server a few years back it wasn't possible to get a drive to store all the data I wanted.</p><p>With two drives I imagine there might be a bit of a cooling problem too, after several months of being on continuously the vents start to get a bit dusty - I know that shouldn't be such a problem in a properly managed server environment, but I can't imagine that's the market they're aiming at with this release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never mind development boxes , there are companies that specialise in Mac Mini colocation !
I run a couple of these myself ( although not colo ) , they 're quiet , do n't take up much space , and only draw 20 watts when idling .
That said , I use second hand PowerPC Minis with Debian on them , because ( as others have also commented ) I find the   500 price tag for a new Intel Mini a bit ridiculous.I 'm kind of curious how they managed to fit two drives in , the ones I 've opened up did n't have a great deal of space inside and storage capacity has always been a bit of problem because they only take 2.5 inch drives .
While this is n't such a problem now , when I first start using a Mac Mini as a file server a few years back it was n't possible to get a drive to store all the data I wanted.With two drives I imagine there might be a bit of a cooling problem too , after several months of being on continuously the vents start to get a bit dusty - I know that should n't be such a problem in a properly managed server environment , but I ca n't imagine that 's the market they 're aiming at with this release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind development boxes, there are companies that specialise in Mac Mini colocation!
I run a couple of these myself (although not colo), they're quiet, don't take up much space, and only draw 20 watts when idling.
That said, I use second hand PowerPC Minis with Debian on them, because (as others have also commented) I find the £500 price tag for a new Intel Mini a bit ridiculous.I'm kind of curious how they managed to fit two drives in, the ones I've opened up didn't have a great deal of space inside and storage capacity has always been a bit of problem because they only take 2.5 inch drives.
While this isn't such a problem now, when I first start using a Mac Mini as a file server a few years back it wasn't possible to get a drive to store all the data I wanted.With two drives I imagine there might be a bit of a cooling problem too, after several months of being on continuously the vents start to get a bit dusty - I know that shouldn't be such a problem in a properly managed server environment, but I can't imagine that's the market they're aiming at with this release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819273</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1256058660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.mythic-beasts.com/" title="mythic-beasts.com">Mythic beasts</a> [mythic-beasts.com] have been using Mac-Minis and even Apple TVs for web hosting for years.</p><p>I have never used them myself, but it looks interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mythic beasts [ mythic-beasts.com ] have been using Mac-Minis and even Apple TVs for web hosting for years.I have never used them myself , but it looks interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mythic beasts [mythic-beasts.com] have been using Mac-Minis and even Apple TVs for web hosting for years.I have never used them myself, but it looks interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815727</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10 computers*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10 computers *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 computers*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818515</id>
	<title>Re:2x500GB?</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1256053320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you know? Do you have one? can I just build a bracket for the 1x drive that is equivalent to the 2x model? is the 2x model any taller to make room?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you know ?
Do you have one ?
can I just build a bracket for the 1x drive that is equivalent to the 2x model ?
is the 2x model any taller to make room ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you know?
Do you have one?
can I just build a bracket for the 1x drive that is equivalent to the 2x model?
is the 2x model any taller to make room?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29823931</id>
	<title>what do you think of home servers running on atom?</title>
	<author>marcuz</author>
	<datestamp>1256142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is certainly a nice product this mac mini. However I think there are some better alternatives for many people. For example I am looking for the next Intel Pine Trail platform (due out in January) which will give me enough CPU power (OK, its not great but enough for web server/filesharing and other basic stuff) with even much less energy consumption. I will buy some nice case, put there 2.5" hdd (or SDD to keep things even more cool&amp;quiet&amp;fast+maybe some 2.5"/3.5" for occasionally read data), some memory, maybe some quality network card is an option (if the pine trail mobo will not include some intel low-cpu-utilisation network card). Install my favourite linux distribution (OSX is nice but I don't see a need for it on a small server) and I am done. This will be fanless and with SSD it will be completely silent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is certainly a nice product this mac mini .
However I think there are some better alternatives for many people .
For example I am looking for the next Intel Pine Trail platform ( due out in January ) which will give me enough CPU power ( OK , its not great but enough for web server/filesharing and other basic stuff ) with even much less energy consumption .
I will buy some nice case , put there 2.5 " hdd ( or SDD to keep things even more cool&amp;quiet&amp;fast + maybe some 2.5 " /3.5 " for occasionally read data ) , some memory , maybe some quality network card is an option ( if the pine trail mobo will not include some intel low-cpu-utilisation network card ) .
Install my favourite linux distribution ( OSX is nice but I do n't see a need for it on a small server ) and I am done .
This will be fanless and with SSD it will be completely silent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is certainly a nice product this mac mini.
However I think there are some better alternatives for many people.
For example I am looking for the next Intel Pine Trail platform (due out in January) which will give me enough CPU power (OK, its not great but enough for web server/filesharing and other basic stuff) with even much less energy consumption.
I will buy some nice case, put there 2.5" hdd (or SDD to keep things even more cool&amp;quiet&amp;fast+maybe some 2.5"/3.5" for occasionally read data), some memory, maybe some quality network card is an option (if the pine trail mobo will not include some intel low-cpu-utilisation network card).
Install my favourite linux distribution (OSX is nice but I don't see a need for it on a small server) and I am done.
This will be fanless and with SSD it will be completely silent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814773</id>
	<title>Compared it to the Cobalt Qube..</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1256033880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mac Mini Server goes for a grand, with four gigs of RAM, and 1TB  of disk, Core 2 Duo processor at 2.53Ghz.</p><p>The Cobalt Qube 3 sold for $1149 in 2002 (inflation adjusted, that's about $1367 today), with a 450 Mhz MIPS CPU, 40 gigs of disk, and 32 megs of RAM.</p><p>Looks like Apple's going to pick up a lot of business in the niche that Sun abandoned.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac Mini Server goes for a grand , with four gigs of RAM , and 1TB of disk , Core 2 Duo processor at 2.53Ghz.The Cobalt Qube 3 sold for $ 1149 in 2002 ( inflation adjusted , that 's about $ 1367 today ) , with a 450 Mhz MIPS CPU , 40 gigs of disk , and 32 megs of RAM.Looks like Apple 's going to pick up a lot of business in the niche that Sun abandoned.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac Mini Server goes for a grand, with four gigs of RAM, and 1TB  of disk, Core 2 Duo processor at 2.53Ghz.The Cobalt Qube 3 sold for $1149 in 2002 (inflation adjusted, that's about $1367 today), with a 450 Mhz MIPS CPU, 40 gigs of disk, and 32 megs of RAM.Looks like Apple's going to pick up a lot of business in the niche that Sun abandoned.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815257</id>
	<title>New imacs make the mac pro look even more over pri</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256035740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New imacs make the mac pro look even more over priced pay $1000 more to get smaller HD, much weak video, and less ram. Also why still 9400m in the $1200 imac? and the base mini should have bigger then a 160g and better video then 9400m at $600 and $800. The imcas just keep getting bigger and bigger how about people who don't have room 20inch+ systems to get new hardware.</p><p>also only dual cores in $1200, $1500, $1700 imacs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New imacs make the mac pro look even more over priced pay $ 1000 more to get smaller HD , much weak video , and less ram .
Also why still 9400m in the $ 1200 imac ?
and the base mini should have bigger then a 160g and better video then 9400m at $ 600 and $ 800 .
The imcas just keep getting bigger and bigger how about people who do n't have room 20inch + systems to get new hardware.also only dual cores in $ 1200 , $ 1500 , $ 1700 imacs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New imacs make the mac pro look even more over priced pay $1000 more to get smaller HD, much weak video, and less ram.
Also why still 9400m in the $1200 imac?
and the base mini should have bigger then a 160g and better video then 9400m at $600 and $800.
The imcas just keep getting bigger and bigger how about people who don't have room 20inch+ systems to get new hardware.also only dual cores in $1200, $1500, $1700 imacs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815335</id>
	<title>Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>eh2o</author>
	<datestamp>1256036100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services.  And they could have made space for it by removing a few of the USB ports, 5 USB ports seems kinda overkill for a machine that isn't intended for desktop use.</p><p>FWIW I haven't used OSX Server in a few years but last time I did the GUI config tools were okay but not amazing.  Some of the services were pretty smooth to config, but the hard stuff was still hard.  For example to setup Apache you still pretty much had to be an expert in httpd.conf arcana even though you didn't actually have to edit the files by hand (usually).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server , lets you set up firewalls , remote access and other public-side facing services .
And they could have made space for it by removing a few of the USB ports , 5 USB ports seems kinda overkill for a machine that is n't intended for desktop use.FWIW I have n't used OSX Server in a few years but last time I did the GUI config tools were okay but not amazing .
Some of the services were pretty smooth to config , but the hard stuff was still hard .
For example to setup Apache you still pretty much had to be an expert in httpd.conf arcana even though you did n't actually have to edit the files by hand ( usually ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services.
And they could have made space for it by removing a few of the USB ports, 5 USB ports seems kinda overkill for a machine that isn't intended for desktop use.FWIW I haven't used OSX Server in a few years but last time I did the GUI config tools were okay but not amazing.
Some of the services were pretty smooth to config, but the hard stuff was still hard.
For example to setup Apache you still pretty much had to be an expert in httpd.conf arcana even though you didn't actually have to edit the files by hand (usually).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816663</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Monoman</author>
	<datestamp>1256043180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah like activate the DHCP server and start handing out bogus addresses.  Don't even get me started.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah like activate the DHCP server and start handing out bogus addresses .
Do n't even get me started .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah like activate the DHCP server and start handing out bogus addresses.
Don't even get me started.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814027</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29879423</id>
	<title>wholesale 09 cheap wholesale air ltd force ones sh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256563080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
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<tokenext>Welcome TO Our Website : Http : //www.tntshoes.com           we are a prefession online store , you can see morephotos and price in our website which is show in thephotos .
        we have large brand new t-shirt,shoes,clothing,handbags,sunglasses,hats etc for sale , 100 \ % bestquality but the price is amazing .
Our website is see ourwebsite in the photos attached , if interested pleaseemail me by we .
    OUR WEBSITE : YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cnMSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome TO Our Website:Http://www.tntshoes.com
          we are a prefession online store, you can see morephotos and price in our website which is show in thephotos .
        we have large brand new t-shirt,shoes,clothing,handbags,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, 100\% bestquality but the price is amazing.
Our website is see ourwebsite in the photos attached, if interested pleaseemail me by we .
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822003</id>
	<title>Air Yeezy fusion Shoes Leading the fashion trend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256132220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
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<tokenext>Http : //www.tntshoes.com     We offer kinds of Newest Style Handbag,Brand Handbag,Fashion Handbags,Ladies ' Leather Handbag,Replica Handbag--AmmonOnlineWe ship to worldwide by EMS,TNT,DHL,UPS.We supply you with smooth and fast services , and do dorp shipping.Welcome to visit our factory.Please visit our Website : www.tntshoes.com or products Album,Contact us now , We can send you more details .
      OUR WEBSITE :                                                               YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                           HTTP : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Http://www.tntshoes.com
    We offer kinds of Newest Style Handbag,Brand Handbag,Fashion Handbags,Ladies' Leather Handbag,Replica Handbag--AmmonOnlineWe ship to worldwide by EMS,TNT,DHL,UPS.We supply you with smooth and fast services, and do dorp shipping.Welcome to visit our factory.Please visit our Website:www.tntshoes.com  or products Album,Contact us now, We can send you more details.
      OUR WEBSITE:
                                                              YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
                                                                          HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814343</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1256032500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not all together. If you want an OS/X server this is your cheapest option. As for looks well being small is a nice feature as well as a low power draw. For a SOHO setup it is a plus but frankly it looks like your only choice for a none rackmount OS/X server.<br>Now putting Linux on one seems really odd but to each their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all together .
If you want an OS/X server this is your cheapest option .
As for looks well being small is a nice feature as well as a low power draw .
For a SOHO setup it is a plus but frankly it looks like your only choice for a none rackmount OS/X server.Now putting Linux on one seems really odd but to each their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all together.
If you want an OS/X server this is your cheapest option.
As for looks well being small is a nice feature as well as a low power draw.
For a SOHO setup it is a plus but frankly it looks like your only choice for a none rackmount OS/X server.Now putting Linux on one seems really odd but to each their own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814029</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815359</id>
	<title>Ouch!</title>
	<author>Mr\_Silver</author>
	<datestamp>1256036220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane? When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune. Now the base unit is &pound;500, hardly a drop in the ocean.</p><p>And yet again, nothing headless in the mid-range<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( I can either go for the sexy (but hugely overpriced and underspecced) &pound;649 Mac Mini or jump <i> <b>over &pound;1200</b> </i> to the &pound;1,899 quad core beast. As the idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I'm not interested in the iMacs.</p><p>It's no wonder that some companies (*cough*psystar*cough*) and people are flirting with the idea of a Hackintosh. A &pound;800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane ?
When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune .
Now the base unit is   500 , hardly a drop in the ocean.And yet again , nothing headless in the mid-range : ( I can either go for the sexy ( but hugely overpriced and underspecced )   649 Mac Mini or jump over   1200 to the   1,899 quad core beast .
As the idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I 'm not interested in the iMacs.It 's no wonder that some companies ( * cough * psystar * cough * ) and people are flirting with the idea of a Hackintosh .
A   800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane?
When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune.
Now the base unit is £500, hardly a drop in the ocean.And yet again, nothing headless in the mid-range :( I can either go for the sexy (but hugely overpriced and underspecced) £649 Mac Mini or jump  over £1200  to the £1,899 quad core beast.
As the idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I'm not interested in the iMacs.It's no wonder that some companies (*cough*psystar*cough*) and people are flirting with the idea of a Hackintosh.
A £800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814555</id>
	<title>Re:Only posers would scoff...</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1256033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, my Desktop in college was also a server, in that it hosted an openssh-server as well as apache2 which I often used to grab files stored in my room while I was around campus. I still don't think it really qualified as a server any more than I'd expect this thing to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , my Desktop in college was also a server , in that it hosted an openssh-server as well as apache2 which I often used to grab files stored in my room while I was around campus .
I still do n't think it really qualified as a server any more than I 'd expect this thing to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, my Desktop in college was also a server, in that it hosted an openssh-server as well as apache2 which I often used to grab files stored in my room while I was around campus.
I still don't think it really qualified as a server any more than I'd expect this thing to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815969</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Anubis350</author>
	<datestamp>1256039160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box.  For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux  is pretty braindead simple.  Of course, that *other* OS still doesn't support NFs out of the box.  I mean, I guess you have to give them a little slack, the protocol is only 20 years old....</p></div><p>That said, the *performance* of SL NFS clients is a bit pathetic, even with the locking issues worked around</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box .
For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux is pretty braindead simple .
Of course , that * other * OS still does n't support NFs out of the box .
I mean , I guess you have to give them a little slack , the protocol is only 20 years old....That said , the * performance * of SL NFS clients is a bit pathetic , even with the locking issues worked around</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box.
For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux  is pretty braindead simple.
Of course, that *other* OS still doesn't support NFs out of the box.
I mean, I guess you have to give them a little slack, the protocol is only 20 years old....That said, the *performance* of SL NFS clients is a bit pathetic, even with the locking issues worked around
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817405</id>
	<title>Re:Magic mouse is far from lust-worthy so far...</title>
	<author>GrahamCox</author>
	<datestamp>1256046600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screen zooming is not that useful compared to an application-specific zoom (which you have to code yourself - we use option-scrollwheel). Screen zoom may be more useful to sight-impaired people though, so I'm not saying it has no use.<br> <br>

A least they've removed the stupid, stupid scrollball for scrolling. That thing simply never worked properly after a few weeks of gathering dirt and dust. And opening the mouse to clean it generally broke it, as it was glued together.<br> <br>

I wonder how its battery life will compare? The wireless Mighty Mouse needed a recharge of its two AA Li-Mn cells once a week, which was very inconvenient. Might Mouse must be the worst Apple mouse ever, and that's saying something. I gave up on mine and went back to a simple multi-button USB mouse that I bought in 2000 and is still going strong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screen zooming is not that useful compared to an application-specific zoom ( which you have to code yourself - we use option-scrollwheel ) .
Screen zoom may be more useful to sight-impaired people though , so I 'm not saying it has no use .
A least they 've removed the stupid , stupid scrollball for scrolling .
That thing simply never worked properly after a few weeks of gathering dirt and dust .
And opening the mouse to clean it generally broke it , as it was glued together .
I wonder how its battery life will compare ?
The wireless Mighty Mouse needed a recharge of its two AA Li-Mn cells once a week , which was very inconvenient .
Might Mouse must be the worst Apple mouse ever , and that 's saying something .
I gave up on mine and went back to a simple multi-button USB mouse that I bought in 2000 and is still going strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screen zooming is not that useful compared to an application-specific zoom (which you have to code yourself - we use option-scrollwheel).
Screen zoom may be more useful to sight-impaired people though, so I'm not saying it has no use.
A least they've removed the stupid, stupid scrollball for scrolling.
That thing simply never worked properly after a few weeks of gathering dirt and dust.
And opening the mouse to clean it generally broke it, as it was glued together.
I wonder how its battery life will compare?
The wireless Mighty Mouse needed a recharge of its two AA Li-Mn cells once a week, which was very inconvenient.
Might Mouse must be the worst Apple mouse ever, and that's saying something.
I gave up on mine and went back to a simple multi-button USB mouse that I bought in 2000 and is still going strong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814847</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29823989</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>ashpool7</author>
	<datestamp>1256142840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the flip side, if you are used to messing with the config files and get agitated when you want to do something not supported by the GUI, that will be the last time you see it.  Server Admin has a nasty habit of undoing your clever configurations and not reading unset  "defaults" (ie: DAV not defined, so off, right?  Wrong.  GUI defaults to on).  If you don't know any better, and what's exposed via the interface is enough for you, then sure, it's great.  If you do know better about the capabilities of the software.... look elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the flip side , if you are used to messing with the config files and get agitated when you want to do something not supported by the GUI , that will be the last time you see it .
Server Admin has a nasty habit of undoing your clever configurations and not reading unset " defaults " ( ie : DAV not defined , so off , right ?
Wrong. GUI defaults to on ) .
If you do n't know any better , and what 's exposed via the interface is enough for you , then sure , it 's great .
If you do know better about the capabilities of the software.... look elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the flip side, if you are used to messing with the config files and get agitated when you want to do something not supported by the GUI, that will be the last time you see it.
Server Admin has a nasty habit of undoing your clever configurations and not reading unset  "defaults" (ie: DAV not defined, so off, right?
Wrong.  GUI defaults to on).
If you don't know any better, and what's exposed via the interface is enough for you, then sure, it's great.
If you do know better about the capabilities of the software.... look elsewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819169</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256058000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely... dual nic is a must in a server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely... dual nic is a must in a server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely... dual nic is a must in a server.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814963</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Moridineas</author>
	<datestamp>1256034600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you know if it's possible to simulate open directory on linux(etc)?</p><p>I work in a mixed environment too, with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs. Would like to unify the two if I could.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know if it 's possible to simulate open directory on linux ( etc ) ? I work in a mixed environment too , with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs .
Would like to unify the two if I could .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you know if it's possible to simulate open directory on linux(etc)?I work in a mixed environment too, with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs.
Would like to unify the two if I could.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815979</id>
	<title>Re:Snow Leopard is not a "true UNIX"</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1256039220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) is UNIX [opengroup.org]. Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.</i> </p><p>You're an idiot and a pedantic cretin for even bringing this up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ( for Intel ) is UNIX [ opengroup.org ] .
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not .
You 're an idiot and a pedantic cretin for even bringing this up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) is UNIX [opengroup.org].
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.
You're an idiot and a pedantic cretin for even bringing this up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816761</id>
	<title>Re:Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>phillymjs</author>
	<datestamp>1256043660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have another Mac, you can share its DVD drive across the network. CD/DVD sharing is built into OS X 10.6, and I think it was in 10.5 also. Apple also makes the software available to share a drive from a Windows PC. It even works for booting and OS reinstallation.</p><p>Likewise, if you have another Mac with firewire, you can also use its DVD drive via firewire target mode.</p><p>Or, if you're old-fashioned, any external USB or firewire DVD drive will most likely work.</p><p>~Philly</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have another Mac , you can share its DVD drive across the network .
CD/DVD sharing is built into OS X 10.6 , and I think it was in 10.5 also .
Apple also makes the software available to share a drive from a Windows PC .
It even works for booting and OS reinstallation.Likewise , if you have another Mac with firewire , you can also use its DVD drive via firewire target mode.Or , if you 're old-fashioned , any external USB or firewire DVD drive will most likely work. ~ Philly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have another Mac, you can share its DVD drive across the network.
CD/DVD sharing is built into OS X 10.6, and I think it was in 10.5 also.
Apple also makes the software available to share a drive from a Windows PC.
It even works for booting and OS reinstallation.Likewise, if you have another Mac with firewire, you can also use its DVD drive via firewire target mode.Or, if you're old-fashioned, any external USB or firewire DVD drive will most likely work.~Philly</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814059</id>
	<title>Servers are by activity not size</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Servers are a computer role, not the size of the box.  Would you say a router running Linux and serving files is a server?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Servers are a computer role , not the size of the box .
Would you say a router running Linux and serving files is a server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Servers are a computer role, not the size of the box.
Would you say a router running Linux and serving files is a server?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814203</id>
	<title>Bravo  to the Mac Mini Server</title>
	<author>dUN82</author>
	<datestamp>1256032080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go and check out how much a so called 'windows home server' cost and is like on the market, what's the argument here? Mac mini server is a brilliant idea, and it is what a lot of mac mini users is doing with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go and check out how much a so called 'windows home server ' cost and is like on the market , what 's the argument here ?
Mac mini server is a brilliant idea , and it is what a lot of mac mini users is doing with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go and check out how much a so called 'windows home server' cost and is like on the market, what's the argument here?
Mac mini server is a brilliant idea, and it is what a lot of mac mini users is doing with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822137</id>
	<title>Mac mini Server is almost perfect</title>
	<author>jocknerd</author>
	<datestamp>1256133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could use more memory. Maxes out at 4GB. But the bigger missing feature, in my opinion, is the lack of a eSATA port. Connecting external drives via FW800 or USB 2.0 is not ideal for a server. If Apple could fit one or two eSATA ports on the back of the mini, it would be awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could use more memory .
Maxes out at 4GB .
But the bigger missing feature , in my opinion , is the lack of a eSATA port .
Connecting external drives via FW800 or USB 2.0 is not ideal for a server .
If Apple could fit one or two eSATA ports on the back of the mini , it would be awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could use more memory.
Maxes out at 4GB.
But the bigger missing feature, in my opinion, is the lack of a eSATA port.
Connecting external drives via FW800 or USB 2.0 is not ideal for a server.
If Apple could fit one or two eSATA ports on the back of the mini, it would be awesome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822823</id>
	<title>Re:Blurred Lines?</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1256136960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>What kind of server has audio jacks, mini dvi ports, fire wire ports, and mini display ports?</i>
</p><p>One that does light duty as a file/print/email server while also connected to a TV/audio system for PVR purposes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of server has audio jacks , mini dvi ports , fire wire ports , and mini display ports ?
One that does light duty as a file/print/email server while also connected to a TV/audio system for PVR purposes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What kind of server has audio jacks, mini dvi ports, fire wire ports, and mini display ports?
One that does light duty as a file/print/email server while also connected to a TV/audio system for PVR purposes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814847</id>
	<title>Magic mouse is far from lust-worthy so far...</title>
	<author>MadCow42</author>
	<datestamp>1256034120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; <i> the multi-touch Magic Mouse is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale.</i></p><p>It seems like a half-assed implementation of multi-touch so far.  Example:  you need a keyboard shortcut to use it for zoom.  Why the hell wouldn't they just use "pinch" like on their other multi-touch systems?  I smell another epic fail in the world of Apple mice.</p><p>The mini-server is interesting though... and I'm already lusting after the 27" quad-core i7.  Having video-IN on the 27" is impressive, and negates some of the planned-obsolesence of such a huge monitor while making it also a potential bridge to AV systems.</p><p>MadCow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; the multi-touch Magic Mouse is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale.It seems like a half-assed implementation of multi-touch so far .
Example : you need a keyboard shortcut to use it for zoom .
Why the hell would n't they just use " pinch " like on their other multi-touch systems ?
I smell another epic fail in the world of Apple mice.The mini-server is interesting though... and I 'm already lusting after the 27 " quad-core i7 .
Having video-IN on the 27 " is impressive , and negates some of the planned-obsolesence of such a huge monitor while making it also a potential bridge to AV systems.MadCow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;  the multi-touch Magic Mouse is right up there on the techno-lust-inspiration scale.It seems like a half-assed implementation of multi-touch so far.
Example:  you need a keyboard shortcut to use it for zoom.
Why the hell wouldn't they just use "pinch" like on their other multi-touch systems?
I smell another epic fail in the world of Apple mice.The mini-server is interesting though... and I'm already lusting after the 27" quad-core i7.
Having video-IN on the 27" is impressive, and negates some of the planned-obsolesence of such a huge monitor while making it also a potential bridge to AV systems.MadCow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814585</id>
	<title>5400 RPM Drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some ways this is very cool, but the drives are 5400 RPM and I don't think are server rated. (In other words, this is not really "server class" - but 3 or 4 of them racked together might be.</p><p>Please note, BTW, that X Server is not quite the same as Mac OS X. Close, but not the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some ways this is very cool , but the drives are 5400 RPM and I do n't think are server rated .
( In other words , this is not really " server class " - but 3 or 4 of them racked together might be.Please note , BTW , that X Server is not quite the same as Mac OS X. Close , but not the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some ways this is very cool, but the drives are 5400 RPM and I don't think are server rated.
(In other words, this is not really "server class" - but 3 or 4 of them racked together might be.Please note, BTW, that X Server is not quite the same as Mac OS X. Close, but not the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819175</id>
	<title>Where's the ECC memory?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256058060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This mac mini server has plain non-ECC RAM, right?  If so, that's lame and not worth using as a server.</p><p>Disappointingly close to being useful, but it's just pretty junk after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This mac mini server has plain non-ECC RAM , right ?
If so , that 's lame and not worth using as a server.Disappointingly close to being useful , but it 's just pretty junk after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This mac mini server has plain non-ECC RAM, right?
If so, that's lame and not worth using as a server.Disappointingly close to being useful, but it's just pretty junk after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814833</id>
	<title>Just, whatever you do...</title>
	<author>arhhook</author>
	<datestamp>1256034060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't use the Guest Account!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't use the Guest Account !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't use the Guest Account!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822059</id>
	<title>Re:Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256132760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The default configuration for the mighty mouse is for both mouse "buttons" to be configured to trigger the "primary button".  Are you sure you didn't just forget to reconfigure it so right mouse button is "secondary button"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The default configuration for the mighty mouse is for both mouse " buttons " to be configured to trigger the " primary button " .
Are you sure you did n't just forget to reconfigure it so right mouse button is " secondary button " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The default configuration for the mighty mouse is for both mouse "buttons" to be configured to trigger the "primary button".
Are you sure you didn't just forget to reconfigure it so right mouse button is "secondary button"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814399</id>
	<title>Snow Leopard is not a "true UNIX"</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1256032620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Snow Leopard Server (a true, if highly GUI-fied, UNIX server)</p></div><p>That's not true. The UNIX trademark is handled by the Open Group. Only if they say it's UNIX, it's UNIX. Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) <a href="http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3555.htm" title="opengroup.org" rel="nofollow">is UNIX</a> [opengroup.org]. Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not. The Server version also doesn't have a certification.</p><p>Sure, it's Unix-like. It might even comply with the Single Unix Specification. But it's not a true UNIX until the Open Group says it is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopard Server ( a true , if highly GUI-fied , UNIX server ) That 's not true .
The UNIX trademark is handled by the Open Group .
Only if they say it 's UNIX , it 's UNIX .
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ( for Intel ) is UNIX [ opengroup.org ] .
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not .
The Server version also does n't have a certification.Sure , it 's Unix-like .
It might even comply with the Single Unix Specification .
But it 's not a true UNIX until the Open Group says it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Snow Leopard Server (a true, if highly GUI-fied, UNIX server)That's not true.
The UNIX trademark is handled by the Open Group.
Only if they say it's UNIX, it's UNIX.
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (for Intel) is UNIX [opengroup.org].
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard is not.
The Server version also doesn't have a certification.Sure, it's Unix-like.
It might even comply with the Single Unix Specification.
But it's not a true UNIX until the Open Group says it is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814755</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>asdfghjklqwertyuiop</author>
	<datestamp>1256033880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've seen offices that don't have 20 whole square feet of closet to put phone equipment, modems, wiring, punch down panels? Really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've seen offices that do n't have 20 whole square feet of closet to put phone equipment , modems , wiring , punch down panels ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've seen offices that don't have 20 whole square feet of closet to put phone equipment, modems, wiring, punch down panels?
Really?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29825837</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1256150700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room.</i>
</p><p>Standard 1U rackmount servers have density at least as good (and generally better).  Blades have (depending on vendor) up to 60\% better density than that.
</p><p>Not to mention real server hardware having vastly better cooling dynamics, substantially longer warranty, remote access and management tools and actually being designed to run 24/7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room .
Standard 1U rackmount servers have density at least as good ( and generally better ) .
Blades have ( depending on vendor ) up to 60 \ % better density than that .
Not to mention real server hardware having vastly better cooling dynamics , substantially longer warranty , remote access and management tools and actually being designed to run 24/7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room.
Standard 1U rackmount servers have density at least as good (and generally better).
Blades have (depending on vendor) up to 60\% better density than that.
Not to mention real server hardware having vastly better cooling dynamics, substantially longer warranty, remote access and management tools and actually being designed to run 24/7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815719</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>yttrstein</author>
	<datestamp>1256038080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.  The attractive thing about this package is its small size and cost.  Setting up a mail server for a small business suddenly means not having to hire an expensive hourly consultant (or worse, hire an expensive salaried administrator).  It also enables the existence of small, cheap remote administration consoles in larger organizations which are tied to OS X server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
The attractive thing about this package is its small size and cost .
Setting up a mail server for a small business suddenly means not having to hire an expensive hourly consultant ( or worse , hire an expensive salaried administrator ) .
It also enables the existence of small , cheap remote administration consoles in larger organizations which are tied to OS X server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
The attractive thing about this package is its small size and cost.
Setting up a mail server for a small business suddenly means not having to hire an expensive hourly consultant (or worse, hire an expensive salaried administrator).
It also enables the existence of small, cheap remote administration consoles in larger organizations which are tied to OS X server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817039</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1256044800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The other big advantage being power consumption, as these minis are really easy on the juice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The other big advantage being power consumption , as these minis are really easy on the juice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other big advantage being power consumption, as these minis are really easy on the juice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815455</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1256036640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you know if it's possible to simulate open directory on linux(etc)?</p><p>I work in a mixed environment too, with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs. Would like to unify the two if I could.</p></div><p>Have Samba use LDAP as the backend if it's not already, configure it to synchronise Unix and Samba passwords and you can have your macs authenticate directly against LDAP.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know if it 's possible to simulate open directory on linux ( etc ) ? I work in a mixed environment too , with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs .
Would like to unify the two if I could.Have Samba use LDAP as the backend if it 's not already , configure it to synchronise Unix and Samba passwords and you can have your macs authenticate directly against LDAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you know if it's possible to simulate open directory on linux(etc)?I work in a mixed environment too, with a Samba domain server for the PCs and no directory services for the Macs.
Would like to unify the two if I could.Have Samba use LDAP as the backend if it's not already, configure it to synchronise Unix and Samba passwords and you can have your macs authenticate directly against LDAP.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817117</id>
	<title>Re:Only posers would scoff...</title>
	<author>Trecares</author>
	<datestamp>1256045220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a Mac Mini when they first came out to use as an server. That turned out to be a bad idea. It was significantly slower than the older PowerPC based system that it was going to replace. It took forever to do anything, and we maxed out the configurable equipment. So we had to return the Mini. I think the hard drive was the primary bottleneck.</p><p>I see that this comes with 5400 RPM hard drives which are not exactly quick, not quick enough IMO. The latency sucks, and throughput will not be as good as a bigger unit. It may be okay for the personal server market, but I do not have high expectations for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a Mac Mini when they first came out to use as an server .
That turned out to be a bad idea .
It was significantly slower than the older PowerPC based system that it was going to replace .
It took forever to do anything , and we maxed out the configurable equipment .
So we had to return the Mini .
I think the hard drive was the primary bottleneck.I see that this comes with 5400 RPM hard drives which are not exactly quick , not quick enough IMO .
The latency sucks , and throughput will not be as good as a bigger unit .
It may be okay for the personal server market , but I do not have high expectations for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a Mac Mini when they first came out to use as an server.
That turned out to be a bad idea.
It was significantly slower than the older PowerPC based system that it was going to replace.
It took forever to do anything, and we maxed out the configurable equipment.
So we had to return the Mini.
I think the hard drive was the primary bottleneck.I see that this comes with 5400 RPM hard drives which are not exactly quick, not quick enough IMO.
The latency sucks, and throughput will not be as good as a bigger unit.
It may be okay for the personal server market, but I do not have high expectations for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821299</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>CountBrass</author>
	<datestamp>1256126640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do you have to "jump over &amp;pound;1200 to the &amp;pound;1,899 quad core beast"? Why not jump &amp;pound;300 to the &amp;pound;949 21.5" 3.06GHz 'base' model iMac?<br><br>But that wouldn't have worked as a troll would it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you have to " jump over   1200 to the   1,899 quad core beast " ?
Why not jump   300 to the   949 21.5 " 3.06GHz 'base ' model iMac ? But that would n't have worked as a troll would it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you have to "jump over £1200 to the £1,899 quad core beast"?
Why not jump £300 to the £949 21.5" 3.06GHz 'base' model iMac?But that wouldn't have worked as a troll would it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814673</id>
	<title>Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1256033580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For small business purposes, Microsoft server offerings are horrid.  Windows Server OEM price! is $800, and then there is the whole "client access liscence" crap where until you pay even more if you want more than 5 computers to talk to your server!</p><p>This, on the other hand, is a complete system for $1000, thats silent (so you can have it in your office, suprisingly important!), doesn't have client access liscence crap, and can support a bunch of windows systems as well as macs for file sharing, email, calendaring if you want to use Mozilla rather than Outlook, etc etc etc....  Don't have enough storage for your liking?  Simply add a 4 TB external USB array for $800...</p><p>Its a really brutal product to deal with if you are Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For small business purposes , Microsoft server offerings are horrid .
Windows Server OEM price !
is $ 800 , and then there is the whole " client access liscence " crap where until you pay even more if you want more than 5 computers to talk to your server ! This , on the other hand , is a complete system for $ 1000 , thats silent ( so you can have it in your office , suprisingly important !
) , does n't have client access liscence crap , and can support a bunch of windows systems as well as macs for file sharing , email , calendaring if you want to use Mozilla rather than Outlook , etc etc etc.... Do n't have enough storage for your liking ?
Simply add a 4 TB external USB array for $ 800...Its a really brutal product to deal with if you are Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For small business purposes, Microsoft server offerings are horrid.
Windows Server OEM price!
is $800, and then there is the whole "client access liscence" crap where until you pay even more if you want more than 5 computers to talk to your server!This, on the other hand, is a complete system for $1000, thats silent (so you can have it in your office, suprisingly important!
), doesn't have client access liscence crap, and can support a bunch of windows systems as well as macs for file sharing, email, calendaring if you want to use Mozilla rather than Outlook, etc etc etc....  Don't have enough storage for your liking?
Simply add a 4 TB external USB array for $800...Its a really brutal product to deal with if you are Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816793</id>
	<title>Physical aspects matter for small companies</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1256043840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A server is not a physical manifestation. It's the services it provides that matter.</i></p><p>Spoken like someone with a data center.</p><p>For the rest of us, a server is a box that has to sit in someone's office, or even at home in a corner out of the way.</p><p>The smaller, and quieter, the better.  The services it offers are of course important but so is everyday being-out-of-the way, and also easy to reach to manage.  Something you can easily stuff on a bookshelf is very handy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A server is not a physical manifestation .
It 's the services it provides that matter.Spoken like someone with a data center.For the rest of us , a server is a box that has to sit in someone 's office , or even at home in a corner out of the way.The smaller , and quieter , the better .
The services it offers are of course important but so is everyday being-out-of-the way , and also easy to reach to manage .
Something you can easily stuff on a bookshelf is very handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A server is not a physical manifestation.
It's the services it provides that matter.Spoken like someone with a data center.For the rest of us, a server is a box that has to sit in someone's office, or even at home in a corner out of the way.The smaller, and quieter, the better.
The services it offers are of course important but so is everyday being-out-of-the way, and also easy to reach to manage.
Something you can easily stuff on a bookshelf is very handy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817529</id>
	<title>high availability</title>
	<author>chocolatetrumpet</author>
	<datestamp>1256047320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the mac mini server would take off if apple made it very easy to cluster them into a high availability environment. Imagine just being able to add them to an office environment for increased capacity and redundancy. Apple is very good at making things easy to set up.</p><p>"Mac OS X Server has found the following servers:<br>o add to high availability cluster?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the mac mini server would take off if apple made it very easy to cluster them into a high availability environment .
Imagine just being able to add them to an office environment for increased capacity and redundancy .
Apple is very good at making things easy to set up .
" Mac OS X Server has found the following servers : o add to high availability cluster ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the mac mini server would take off if apple made it very easy to cluster them into a high availability environment.
Imagine just being able to add them to an office environment for increased capacity and redundancy.
Apple is very good at making things easy to set up.
"Mac OS X Server has found the following servers:o add to high availability cluster?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819801</id>
	<title>Re:Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256063700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to change the mouse settings so that it will interpret pressure on the right as being a right-click. Look in system preferences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to change the mouse settings so that it will interpret pressure on the right as being a right-click .
Look in system preferences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to change the mouse settings so that it will interpret pressure on the right as being a right-click.
Look in system preferences.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814615</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814131</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>sarahbau</author>
	<datestamp>1256031900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get the regular mini. Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive, when OS X Server costs $500 on its own. I think it's an interesting package. Not everyone needs a Mac Pro or XServe for a server. The mini is plenty for a small scale server, and OS X Server is easy to set up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it , you might as well get the regular mini .
Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $ 100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive , when OS X Server costs $ 500 on its own .
I think it 's an interesting package .
Not everyone needs a Mac Pro or XServe for a server .
The mini is plenty for a small scale server , and OS X Server is easy to set up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get the regular mini.
Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive, when OS X Server costs $500 on its own.
I think it's an interesting package.
Not everyone needs a Mac Pro or XServe for a server.
The mini is plenty for a small scale server, and OS X Server is easy to set up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816125</id>
	<title>Mac mini cluster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256040180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make a cluster.  Like the saying goes, never underestimate the calculating capacity of a closet full of Mac minis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make a cluster .
Like the saying goes , never underestimate the calculating capacity of a closet full of Mac minis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make a cluster.
Like the saying goes, never underestimate the calculating capacity of a closet full of Mac minis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814695</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive"</p><p>A caveat: the server does not have an optical drive (that's where they stuffed the other HD).  Still a good deal, just not quite as good as on first glance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $ 100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive " A caveat : the server does not have an optical drive ( that 's where they stuffed the other HD ) .
Still a good deal , just not quite as good as on first glance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive"A caveat: the server does not have an optical drive (that's where they stuffed the other HD).
Still a good deal, just not quite as good as on first glance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814131</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815191</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>rsmoody</author>
	<datestamp>1256035440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I HAVE SEEN plenty of uses for this.  I did IT at a small news paper and when I first started, we had 3 or 4 Ruby iMacs acting in server roles.  They were finally replaced with MacMini's.  However, these did not require OSX Server for their purpose, but for tasks such as moving wire streams, file conversions, getting files to and from the image adjustment servers, etc. they really were perfect for the task.  For instance, we setup an old dual G5 for a file server role for dropping articles with OSX Server...if and when that system dies, the need for a rack-mount server or MacPro is over-kill for 80 or so users, MacMini however...perfect.  There are many light duty server roles like this that a Mini running OSX Server would be useful and cost effective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I HAVE SEEN plenty of uses for this .
I did IT at a small news paper and when I first started , we had 3 or 4 Ruby iMacs acting in server roles .
They were finally replaced with MacMini 's .
However , these did not require OSX Server for their purpose , but for tasks such as moving wire streams , file conversions , getting files to and from the image adjustment servers , etc .
they really were perfect for the task .
For instance , we setup an old dual G5 for a file server role for dropping articles with OSX Server...if and when that system dies , the need for a rack-mount server or MacPro is over-kill for 80 or so users , MacMini however...perfect .
There are many light duty server roles like this that a Mini running OSX Server would be useful and cost effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I HAVE SEEN plenty of uses for this.
I did IT at a small news paper and when I first started, we had 3 or 4 Ruby iMacs acting in server roles.
They were finally replaced with MacMini's.
However, these did not require OSX Server for their purpose, but for tasks such as moving wire streams, file conversions, getting files to and from the image adjustment servers, etc.
they really were perfect for the task.
For instance, we setup an old dual G5 for a file server role for dropping articles with OSX Server...if and when that system dies, the need for a rack-mount server or MacPro is over-kill for 80 or so users, MacMini however...perfect.
There are many light duty server roles like this that a Mini running OSX Server would be useful and cost effective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814023</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822949</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1256137500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people, and those are the ones that will need expandable machines. A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer. Instead, I'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros, which have actually gone up in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors. And, unfortunately, we'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets.</i>
</p><p>Quite seriously, you should consider getting them iMacs instead of Mac Pros, then find others who need new screens.  Seriously.  I just replaced several G5 towers with new iMacs, and the folks got new and slightly larger screens in the process.  They were thrilled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people , and those are the ones that will need expandable machines .
A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer .
Instead , I 'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros , which have actually gone up in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors .
And , unfortunately , we 'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets .
Quite seriously , you should consider getting them iMacs instead of Mac Pros , then find others who need new screens .
Seriously. I just replaced several G5 towers with new iMacs , and the folks got new and slightly larger screens in the process .
They were thrilled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people, and those are the ones that will need expandable machines.
A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer.
Instead, I'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros, which have actually gone up in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors.
And, unfortunately, we'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets.
Quite seriously, you should consider getting them iMacs instead of Mac Pros, then find others who need new screens.
Seriously.  I just replaced several G5 towers with new iMacs, and the folks got new and slightly larger screens in the process.
They were thrilled.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819495</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820497</id>
	<title>Re:We've been using a Mac Mini as a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256116440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VMWare on a first-generation Mac Mini? That's a good trick. When did they bring out the PPC version of VMWare?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VMWare on a first-generation Mac Mini ?
That 's a good trick .
When did they bring out the PPC version of VMWare ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VMWare on a first-generation Mac Mini?
That's a good trick.
When did they bring out the PPC version of VMWare?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816905</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815983</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1256039280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mac Mini price is about what it was when they first came out, at least in USD.  I know it's pricier across the pond but I imagine the old prices were pricier as well.  If you can spend 800 pounds and you want a headless mac just get an older used Mac Pro - there's no reason you need the "latest and greatest" if your preference is a "mid-range" box.  You might take another look at the new iMacs, though; they have video in which means you don't have built-in obsolescence in the monitors anymore.  Nothing revolutionary in these new Mac products but definitely some nice changes across the board; now if they would only add a firewire port to the Macbook....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac Mini price is about what it was when they first came out , at least in USD .
I know it 's pricier across the pond but I imagine the old prices were pricier as well .
If you can spend 800 pounds and you want a headless mac just get an older used Mac Pro - there 's no reason you need the " latest and greatest " if your preference is a " mid-range " box .
You might take another look at the new iMacs , though ; they have video in which means you do n't have built-in obsolescence in the monitors anymore .
Nothing revolutionary in these new Mac products but definitely some nice changes across the board ; now if they would only add a firewire port to the Macbook... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac Mini price is about what it was when they first came out, at least in USD.
I know it's pricier across the pond but I imagine the old prices were pricier as well.
If you can spend 800 pounds and you want a headless mac just get an older used Mac Pro - there's no reason you need the "latest and greatest" if your preference is a "mid-range" box.
You might take another look at the new iMacs, though; they have video in which means you don't have built-in obsolescence in the monitors anymore.
Nothing revolutionary in these new Mac products but definitely some nice changes across the board; now if they would only add a firewire port to the Macbook....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815359</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814063</id>
	<title>Mac fanboys get trolled</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lol the snow leopard melts in his own shit.</p><p>My macbook nano wheel just got scratched and my non removable battery won't charge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol the snow leopard melts in his own shit.My macbook nano wheel just got scratched and my non removable battery wo n't charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol the snow leopard melts in his own shit.My macbook nano wheel just got scratched and my non removable battery won't charge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820483</id>
	<title>Website hosting on mac mini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256116140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I host my website on a mac mini, and in fact manage a few mac minis as dedicated servers. They make pretty good machines for web hosting, due to low power consumption, and the fact you can fit about 8 in 3U of rackspace/</p><p>Photo:<br><a href="http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Macmini-rack.jpg" title="exotica.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Macmini-rack.jpg</a> [exotica.org.uk]</p><p>Not running OSX mind, but Debian. More info on <a href="http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/ExoticA:Hosting" title="exotica.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/ExoticA:Hosting</a> [exotica.org.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I host my website on a mac mini , and in fact manage a few mac minis as dedicated servers .
They make pretty good machines for web hosting , due to low power consumption , and the fact you can fit about 8 in 3U of rackspace/Photo : http : //www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File : Macmini-rack.jpg [ exotica.org.uk ] Not running OSX mind , but Debian .
More info on http : //www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/ExoticA : Hosting [ exotica.org.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I host my website on a mac mini, and in fact manage a few mac minis as dedicated servers.
They make pretty good machines for web hosting, due to low power consumption, and the fact you can fit about 8 in 3U of rackspace/Photo:http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Macmini-rack.jpg [exotica.org.uk]Not running OSX mind, but Debian.
More info on http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/ExoticA:Hosting [exotica.org.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814719</id>
	<title>Blurred Lines?</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1256033760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets get this straight. There are no blurred lines here. This is a desktop box running a server OS. There are no blurred lines here. This is absolutely not data center level hardware. What kind of server has audio jacks, mini dvi ports, fire wire ports, and mini display ports? Just because I can run Linux, MySQL, and Apache on a mini-ITX system doesn't mean that said system is all of a sudden going to start showing up in data centers. Lets make this very clear... This is a desktop system running a server OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets get this straight .
There are no blurred lines here .
This is a desktop box running a server OS .
There are no blurred lines here .
This is absolutely not data center level hardware .
What kind of server has audio jacks , mini dvi ports , fire wire ports , and mini display ports ?
Just because I can run Linux , MySQL , and Apache on a mini-ITX system does n't mean that said system is all of a sudden going to start showing up in data centers .
Lets make this very clear... This is a desktop system running a server OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets get this straight.
There are no blurred lines here.
This is a desktop box running a server OS.
There are no blurred lines here.
This is absolutely not data center level hardware.
What kind of server has audio jacks, mini dvi ports, fire wire ports, and mini display ports?
Just because I can run Linux, MySQL, and Apache on a mini-ITX system doesn't mean that said system is all of a sudden going to start showing up in data centers.
Lets make this very clear... This is a desktop system running a server OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814935</id>
	<title>Third Parties have been doing this for years.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>macminicolo.net has been selling the service to host mac mini's in a data center for a while with macos server on them. Idea was for lower traffic setups they would be fine. Mind you they didn't have internal mirrors drives like the new one does but they have been doing it since the g4 minis. All apple did was remove the optical drive and throw a second notebook drive in instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>macminicolo.net has been selling the service to host mac mini 's in a data center for a while with macos server on them .
Idea was for lower traffic setups they would be fine .
Mind you they did n't have internal mirrors drives like the new one does but they have been doing it since the g4 minis .
All apple did was remove the optical drive and throw a second notebook drive in instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>macminicolo.net has been selling the service to host mac mini's in a data center for a while with macos server on them.
Idea was for lower traffic setups they would be fine.
Mind you they didn't have internal mirrors drives like the new one does but they have been doing it since the g4 minis.
All apple did was remove the optical drive and throw a second notebook drive in instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815313</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256035980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks.  For light server roles, the Atom CPU is fine.  Works for me!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it , you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks .
For light server roles , the Atom CPU is fine .
Works for me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks.
For light server roles, the Atom CPU is fine.
Works for me!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820741</id>
	<title>Definition of a Server</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1256119740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.'</p></div><p>I call something a 'server' if it is providing one or more services to other computers. It has nothing to do with the hardware or operating system used.</p><p>I've often redeployed old 'desktop' computers in server roles. At that point they become 'servers', whether or not they sport features like high speed, large capacity or redundancy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Undoubtedly , many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server .
'I call something a 'server ' if it is providing one or more services to other computers .
It has nothing to do with the hardware or operating system used.I 've often redeployed old 'desktop ' computers in server roles .
At that point they become 'servers ' , whether or not they sport features like high speed , large capacity or redundancy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.
'I call something a 'server' if it is providing one or more services to other computers.
It has nothing to do with the hardware or operating system used.I've often redeployed old 'desktop' computers in server roles.
At that point they become 'servers', whether or not they sport features like high speed, large capacity or redundancy.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817535</id>
	<title>APPL up nearly 5\% today</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256047380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I neither use nor particularly like their products, but damn, it's a <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">good day</a> [google.com] to be an Apple shareholder!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I neither use nor particularly like their products , but damn , it 's a good day [ google.com ] to be an Apple shareholder !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I neither use nor particularly like their products, but damn, it's a good day [google.com] to be an Apple shareholder!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819549</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>LoudMusic</author>
	<datestamp>1256061120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"<i>The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.</i>"</p><p>...call me skeptical on that one.</p></div><p>Where I regularly support such skepticism, I went through the setup on an XServe years ago (single G5 CPU - years ago!) and it was indeed fairly simple. I can only imagine they've gotten much better with age and significantly more features as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing .
" ...call me skeptical on that one.Where I regularly support such skepticism , I went through the setup on an XServe years ago ( single G5 CPU - years ago !
) and it was indeed fairly simple .
I can only imagine they 've gotten much better with age and significantly more features as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.
"...call me skeptical on that one.Where I regularly support such skepticism, I went through the setup on an XServe years ago (single G5 CPU - years ago!
) and it was indeed fairly simple.
I can only imagine they've gotten much better with age and significantly more features as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814945</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1256034540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well is that really fair?  As someone who lives in a cramped NYC and keeps a home server, having one that's small and energy efficient but relatively robust sounds like a good deal, regardless of aesthetics.  I'm sure there are even small businesses who have the same priorities, who need a workable server they can stick in some corner or even on someone's desk without taking up too much space, making too much noise, or looking too ungodly awful.  There are plenty of businesses that need some kind of server but don't want to buy a whole rack and build an entire datacenter.
</p><p>What's more, if you have need of an OSX server specifically, this is much cheaper than buying an xServe or Mac Pro.  With this solution, you basically get to trade your DVD drive for a second hard drive, and they throw in a copy of OSX server to boot.  It may not be the solution you're looking for, but I think it's a pretty good idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well is that really fair ?
As someone who lives in a cramped NYC and keeps a home server , having one that 's small and energy efficient but relatively robust sounds like a good deal , regardless of aesthetics .
I 'm sure there are even small businesses who have the same priorities , who need a workable server they can stick in some corner or even on someone 's desk without taking up too much space , making too much noise , or looking too ungodly awful .
There are plenty of businesses that need some kind of server but do n't want to buy a whole rack and build an entire datacenter .
What 's more , if you have need of an OSX server specifically , this is much cheaper than buying an xServe or Mac Pro .
With this solution , you basically get to trade your DVD drive for a second hard drive , and they throw in a copy of OSX server to boot .
It may not be the solution you 're looking for , but I think it 's a pretty good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well is that really fair?
As someone who lives in a cramped NYC and keeps a home server, having one that's small and energy efficient but relatively robust sounds like a good deal, regardless of aesthetics.
I'm sure there are even small businesses who have the same priorities, who need a workable server they can stick in some corner or even on someone's desk without taking up too much space, making too much noise, or looking too ungodly awful.
There are plenty of businesses that need some kind of server but don't want to buy a whole rack and build an entire datacenter.
What's more, if you have need of an OSX server specifically, this is much cheaper than buying an xServe or Mac Pro.
With this solution, you basically get to trade your DVD drive for a second hard drive, and they throw in a copy of OSX server to boot.
It may not be the solution you're looking for, but I think it's a pretty good idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819835</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256064360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the constant complaining about the lack of a mid-range headless option has been going on for years (and not without some merit), what many seem to overlook is that you don't throw away your computer when you upgrade (unless you're upgrading because the old one died a horrible death and is past warranty).  Generally you either repurpose it or (more commonly with non-slashdot types) sell the old machine and buy a shiny new one.  Selling an iMac will generally fetch more on ebay than a similar headless model, and the difference subsidizes the new iMac purchase.</p><p>Thus, someone upgrading from iMac to iMac will not often complain that they are "paying to replace their monitor" (not to mention the fact that it's actually upgrading the monitor in most cases) any more than someone selling a used car and buying a new car will complain about paying for new tires instead of just using their old ones (apologies for the car analogy).  This obviously only applies if the monitor is your only complaint, if you just can't live without the latest video card then obviously it's Mac Pro or non-Apple (well, ok, non-Apple if you want the latest latest).</p><p>And besides, if you already have a stand alone monitor and buy an iMac, you can use it as a second monitor and your friends will think you're 1337 (assuming you have any friends).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the constant complaining about the lack of a mid-range headless option has been going on for years ( and not without some merit ) , what many seem to overlook is that you do n't throw away your computer when you upgrade ( unless you 're upgrading because the old one died a horrible death and is past warranty ) .
Generally you either repurpose it or ( more commonly with non-slashdot types ) sell the old machine and buy a shiny new one .
Selling an iMac will generally fetch more on ebay than a similar headless model , and the difference subsidizes the new iMac purchase.Thus , someone upgrading from iMac to iMac will not often complain that they are " paying to replace their monitor " ( not to mention the fact that it 's actually upgrading the monitor in most cases ) any more than someone selling a used car and buying a new car will complain about paying for new tires instead of just using their old ones ( apologies for the car analogy ) .
This obviously only applies if the monitor is your only complaint , if you just ca n't live without the latest video card then obviously it 's Mac Pro or non-Apple ( well , ok , non-Apple if you want the latest latest ) .And besides , if you already have a stand alone monitor and buy an iMac , you can use it as a second monitor and your friends will think you 're 1337 ( assuming you have any friends ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the constant complaining about the lack of a mid-range headless option has been going on for years (and not without some merit), what many seem to overlook is that you don't throw away your computer when you upgrade (unless you're upgrading because the old one died a horrible death and is past warranty).
Generally you either repurpose it or (more commonly with non-slashdot types) sell the old machine and buy a shiny new one.
Selling an iMac will generally fetch more on ebay than a similar headless model, and the difference subsidizes the new iMac purchase.Thus, someone upgrading from iMac to iMac will not often complain that they are "paying to replace their monitor" (not to mention the fact that it's actually upgrading the monitor in most cases) any more than someone selling a used car and buying a new car will complain about paying for new tires instead of just using their old ones (apologies for the car analogy).
This obviously only applies if the monitor is your only complaint, if you just can't live without the latest video card then obviously it's Mac Pro or non-Apple (well, ok, non-Apple if you want the latest latest).And besides, if you already have a stand alone monitor and buy an iMac, you can use it as a second monitor and your friends will think you're 1337 (assuming you have any friends).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816905</id>
	<title>We've been using a Mac Mini as a server...</title>
	<author>litewoheat</author>
	<datestamp>1256044260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>We use a first generation Mac Mini in my office to do nightly builds of both our MacOS and Windows software. The windows builds run on VM Ware. Its not uncommon for the build machine to be running 100\% CPU for hours at a time. It hasn't been rebooted in months. We've been doing this with the same machine for over three years. Its wonderful. Never had a problem...</htmltext>
<tokenext>We use a first generation Mac Mini in my office to do nightly builds of both our MacOS and Windows software .
The windows builds run on VM Ware .
Its not uncommon for the build machine to be running 100 \ % CPU for hours at a time .
It has n't been rebooted in months .
We 've been doing this with the same machine for over three years .
Its wonderful .
Never had a problem.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We use a first generation Mac Mini in my office to do nightly builds of both our MacOS and Windows software.
The windows builds run on VM Ware.
Its not uncommon for the build machine to be running 100\% CPU for hours at a time.
It hasn't been rebooted in months.
We've been doing this with the same machine for over three years.
Its wonderful.
Never had a problem...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816397</id>
	<title>Good idea</title>
	<author>engele</author>
	<datestamp>1256041800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've already put my order in for two if them. We need a test machine to deploy our upgrade to Snow Leopard Server (on an xserve), and this is the perfect candidate. I may also use them as hot swappable backup servers if they will boot the server images we have. In the past we have not done this due to expense.

I had a PPC xserve die a few years ago due to a big surge at our data center and was able to recover using an old imac for a few weeks while we sorted out the mess. Transparent to our users except in performance, but mostly unnoticed. To have a hot swappable server that can be powered on with the touch of a button if something in your main server fails is awesome.

Also this allows us to safely tweak our sites and services in a test environment that was cost prohibitive before. The ability to set up and deploy directory services, a web site, etc. for under 1k is pretty damn cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've already put my order in for two if them .
We need a test machine to deploy our upgrade to Snow Leopard Server ( on an xserve ) , and this is the perfect candidate .
I may also use them as hot swappable backup servers if they will boot the server images we have .
In the past we have not done this due to expense .
I had a PPC xserve die a few years ago due to a big surge at our data center and was able to recover using an old imac for a few weeks while we sorted out the mess .
Transparent to our users except in performance , but mostly unnoticed .
To have a hot swappable server that can be powered on with the touch of a button if something in your main server fails is awesome .
Also this allows us to safely tweak our sites and services in a test environment that was cost prohibitive before .
The ability to set up and deploy directory services , a web site , etc .
for under 1k is pretty damn cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've already put my order in for two if them.
We need a test machine to deploy our upgrade to Snow Leopard Server (on an xserve), and this is the perfect candidate.
I may also use them as hot swappable backup servers if they will boot the server images we have.
In the past we have not done this due to expense.
I had a PPC xserve die a few years ago due to a big surge at our data center and was able to recover using an old imac for a few weeks while we sorted out the mess.
Transparent to our users except in performance, but mostly unnoticed.
To have a hot swappable server that can be powered on with the touch of a button if something in your main server fails is awesome.
Also this allows us to safely tweak our sites and services in a test environment that was cost prohibitive before.
The ability to set up and deploy directory services, a web site, etc.
for under 1k is pretty damn cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822151</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Gdiscenza</author>
	<datestamp>1256133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Converting a Mac Mini to dual (or more) ethernet is simple, just add a USB to Ethernet connector.

Most outward-facing connections are slower than Fast Ethernet, so there is little chance of overwhelming the USB controller.

Dedicate the onboard ethernet connector to the internal network, and OS X Server is plenty happy to firewall from USB ethernet to internal, and it will even let you set up a DMZ, if you wanted to buy 2 USB to ethernet connectors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Converting a Mac Mini to dual ( or more ) ethernet is simple , just add a USB to Ethernet connector .
Most outward-facing connections are slower than Fast Ethernet , so there is little chance of overwhelming the USB controller .
Dedicate the onboard ethernet connector to the internal network , and OS X Server is plenty happy to firewall from USB ethernet to internal , and it will even let you set up a DMZ , if you wanted to buy 2 USB to ethernet connectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Converting a Mac Mini to dual (or more) ethernet is simple, just add a USB to Ethernet connector.
Most outward-facing connections are slower than Fast Ethernet, so there is little chance of overwhelming the USB controller.
Dedicate the onboard ethernet connector to the internal network, and OS X Server is plenty happy to firewall from USB ethernet to internal, and it will even let you set up a DMZ, if you wanted to buy 2 USB to ethernet connectors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816573</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256042820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this machine more like the HP MediaSmart Home Server?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this machine more like the HP MediaSmart Home Server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this machine more like the HP MediaSmart Home Server?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814545</id>
	<title>Goodbye lin-sux!  And good riddance!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, I can eliminate the last vestiges of crappy open sores software from my home network.  This is pretty much the death of Linux in what few end user roles it has ever held.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , I can eliminate the last vestiges of crappy open sores software from my home network .
This is pretty much the death of Linux in what few end user roles it has ever held .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, I can eliminate the last vestiges of crappy open sores software from my home network.
This is pretty much the death of Linux in what few end user roles it has ever held.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816439</id>
	<title>Re:2x500GB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256041980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't put a second drive inside of it, BUT if 1 TB 2.5" drives ever come out, you can certainly swap for the original one.
<br> <br>
However, you can just use firewire drives.  In my experience firewire drives hooked to a Mac boot faster than the internal drive.  If you want RAID, you can do it with external drives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't put a second drive inside of it , BUT if 1 TB 2.5 " drives ever come out , you can certainly swap for the original one .
However , you can just use firewire drives .
In my experience firewire drives hooked to a Mac boot faster than the internal drive .
If you want RAID , you can do it with external drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't put a second drive inside of it, BUT if 1 TB 2.5" drives ever come out, you can certainly swap for the original one.
However, you can just use firewire drives.
In my experience firewire drives hooked to a Mac boot faster than the internal drive.
If you want RAID, you can do it with external drives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814265</id>
	<title>only one thing missing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256032260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Software worth runnning on the cute lil' box<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Software worth runnning on the cute lil ' box : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software worth runnning on the cute lil' box :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816983</id>
	<title>Re:Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>dogmatixpsych</author>
	<datestamp>1256044560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the flip side, what's our fascination with mouse buttons? I appreciate a good mouse with multiple buttons (Apple's mice IMO are not that ergonomic, at least not like I prefer) but who's to say that this new mouse is not better.<br> <br>
I love the finger gestures on my MacBook trackpad. I have the hardest time going back to Windows laptops and using their trackpads. The same could be true with this new mouse. It could really be great - or it could be awful.<br> <br>
In any case, it will work like a two-button mouse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the flip side , what 's our fascination with mouse buttons ?
I appreciate a good mouse with multiple buttons ( Apple 's mice IMO are not that ergonomic , at least not like I prefer ) but who 's to say that this new mouse is not better .
I love the finger gestures on my MacBook trackpad .
I have the hardest time going back to Windows laptops and using their trackpads .
The same could be true with this new mouse .
It could really be great - or it could be awful .
In any case , it will work like a two-button mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the flip side, what's our fascination with mouse buttons?
I appreciate a good mouse with multiple buttons (Apple's mice IMO are not that ergonomic, at least not like I prefer) but who's to say that this new mouse is not better.
I love the finger gestures on my MacBook trackpad.
I have the hardest time going back to Windows laptops and using their trackpads.
The same could be true with this new mouse.
It could really be great - or it could be awful.
In any case, it will work like a two-button mouse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29823727</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>YouWantFriesWithThat</author>
	<datestamp>1256141460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hmm.  i haven't noticed my negatives getting any larger in the last couple years...</htmltext>
<tokenext>hmm .
i have n't noticed my negatives getting any larger in the last couple years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmm.
i haven't noticed my negatives getting any larger in the last couple years...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814157</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814645</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1256033460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, I believe that. When you don't have the assistance of someone that actually knows what they're doing (ie: you have no idea what you're doing), then everything will seem perfectly fine until you realize your emails aren't going out or  your ftp users can't connect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I believe that .
When you do n't have the assistance of someone that actually knows what they 're doing ( ie : you have no idea what you 're doing ) , then everything will seem perfectly fine until you realize your emails are n't going out or your ftp users ca n't connect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I believe that.
When you don't have the assistance of someone that actually knows what they're doing (ie: you have no idea what you're doing), then everything will seem perfectly fine until you realize your emails aren't going out or  your ftp users can't connect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815369</id>
	<title>Re:A solution in search of a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256036220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office.</p></div><p>When an ex-employee has deleted all their files, the back-ups they thought they had turn out to be bogus, and their mail server is blacklisted by Gmail and Hotmail for spam, they'll wish it had, if only because that would be covered by their insurance.</p><p>Every aspect of a business demands some attention to detail, but it's clear by now that data and its flow is critical everywhere. You should know enough to properly manage it, pay someone who does, or go back to a computer-free office, where the huge stacks of paper provide some incidental security and easily accessible aggregation. Without computers you'll lose out to everyone who can set up an effective IT infrastructure, but you'll be better off than if you just hobbled together some technology and tried to do work with it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office.When an ex-employee has deleted all their files , the back-ups they thought they had turn out to be bogus , and their mail server is blacklisted by Gmail and Hotmail for spam , they 'll wish it had , if only because that would be covered by their insurance.Every aspect of a business demands some attention to detail , but it 's clear by now that data and its flow is critical everywhere .
You should know enough to properly manage it , pay someone who does , or go back to a computer-free office , where the huge stacks of paper provide some incidental security and easily accessible aggregation .
Without computers you 'll lose out to everyone who can set up an effective IT infrastructure , but you 'll be better off than if you just hobbled together some technology and tried to do work with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, any non-technical person setting one of these things up is going to feel real stupid when the server blows up and kills everyone in their office.When an ex-employee has deleted all their files, the back-ups they thought they had turn out to be bogus, and their mail server is blacklisted by Gmail and Hotmail for spam, they'll wish it had, if only because that would be covered by their insurance.Every aspect of a business demands some attention to detail, but it's clear by now that data and its flow is critical everywhere.
You should know enough to properly manage it, pay someone who does, or go back to a computer-free office, where the huge stacks of paper provide some incidental security and easily accessible aggregation.
Without computers you'll lose out to everyone who can set up an effective IT infrastructure, but you'll be better off than if you just hobbled together some technology and tried to do work with it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814601</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818253</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256051760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the same.</p><p>I can sort of understand having a wireless NIC, but why would I want so many USB ports and Bluetooth? I would keep two of the USB's and trade all the rest for dual GigE interfaces in a blink of an eye.</p><p>But then I realized that Apple didn't want to create a whole new product. They just replaced the black plastic inner frame for one that fits a HD in the place of the optical drive. Oh, and the outer casing misses the (unused) optical drive opening. Aside from that, it's the very same Mac Mini with a server OS pre-installed.</p><p>If the Mini still uses a PCI Express Mini Card for wireless, you can swap it for this (or a similar card, as this one doesn't appear to work): http://www.globalamericaninc.com/p1507790/1507790\_-\_\_Mini-PCI\_Express\_Dual\_Gigabit\_LAN\_Module/product\_info.html</p><p>If you place the Minis on their side, I am sure you can fit 7 or 8 of them in only 4RUs. Combine them with a NAS with hot swappable SATA drives (maybe this one: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204129083&amp;SearchEngine=CJchannelintelligence&amp;SearchTerm=204129083&amp;Type=CJ) and you have a SMB solution that should work quite well. You can even have an OD replica if the master fails. The NAS would be great for user home directories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the same.I can sort of understand having a wireless NIC , but why would I want so many USB ports and Bluetooth ?
I would keep two of the USB 's and trade all the rest for dual GigE interfaces in a blink of an eye.But then I realized that Apple did n't want to create a whole new product .
They just replaced the black plastic inner frame for one that fits a HD in the place of the optical drive .
Oh , and the outer casing misses the ( unused ) optical drive opening .
Aside from that , it 's the very same Mac Mini with a server OS pre-installed.If the Mini still uses a PCI Express Mini Card for wireless , you can swap it for this ( or a similar card , as this one does n't appear to work ) : http : //www.globalamericaninc.com/p1507790/1507790 \ _- \ _ \ _Mini-PCI \ _Express \ _Dual \ _Gigabit \ _LAN \ _Module/product \ _info.htmlIf you place the Minis on their side , I am sure you can fit 7 or 8 of them in only 4RUs .
Combine them with a NAS with hot swappable SATA drives ( maybe this one : http : //www.buy.com/retail/product.asp ? sku = 204129083&amp;SearchEngine = CJchannelintelligence&amp;SearchTerm = 204129083&amp;Type = CJ ) and you have a SMB solution that should work quite well .
You can even have an OD replica if the master fails .
The NAS would be great for user home directories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the same.I can sort of understand having a wireless NIC, but why would I want so many USB ports and Bluetooth?
I would keep two of the USB's and trade all the rest for dual GigE interfaces in a blink of an eye.But then I realized that Apple didn't want to create a whole new product.
They just replaced the black plastic inner frame for one that fits a HD in the place of the optical drive.
Oh, and the outer casing misses the (unused) optical drive opening.
Aside from that, it's the very same Mac Mini with a server OS pre-installed.If the Mini still uses a PCI Express Mini Card for wireless, you can swap it for this (or a similar card, as this one doesn't appear to work): http://www.globalamericaninc.com/p1507790/1507790\_-\_\_Mini-PCI\_Express\_Dual\_Gigabit\_LAN\_Module/product\_info.htmlIf you place the Minis on their side, I am sure you can fit 7 or 8 of them in only 4RUs.
Combine them with a NAS with hot swappable SATA drives (maybe this one: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204129083&amp;SearchEngine=CJchannelintelligence&amp;SearchTerm=204129083&amp;Type=CJ) and you have a SMB solution that should work quite well.
You can even have an OD replica if the master fails.
The NAS would be great for user home directories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815355</id>
	<title>Business??? scoff...</title>
	<author>jjoelc</author>
	<datestamp>1256036160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Businesses may scoff, other than the really small or home based type... but I think this is Apple's "in" to the home based server market. Set it up in your living room along with your AppleTV, connect it to your router along with your work and personal computers, serve all your media, all you mail, all your everything to all your house.

SOP for businesses, sure. Geeks everywhere have been doing it for years. Does your grandmother have a home server? She will, and Apple wants to be there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Businesses may scoff , other than the really small or home based type... but I think this is Apple 's " in " to the home based server market .
Set it up in your living room along with your AppleTV , connect it to your router along with your work and personal computers , serve all your media , all you mail , all your everything to all your house .
SOP for businesses , sure .
Geeks everywhere have been doing it for years .
Does your grandmother have a home server ?
She will , and Apple wants to be there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Businesses may scoff, other than the really small or home based type... but I think this is Apple's "in" to the home based server market.
Set it up in your living room along with your AppleTV, connect it to your router along with your work and personal computers, serve all your media, all you mail, all your everything to all your house.
SOP for businesses, sure.
Geeks everywhere have been doing it for years.
Does your grandmother have a home server?
She will, and Apple wants to be there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815899</id>
	<title>2x500GB?</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1256038800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not 640GB of 750GB drives? Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $300.</p><p>All in all I am happy that the Mac Mini got an update. But I was hoping for a slightly cheaper one. While it is true that I would find it difficult to find a non-Apple Core 2 Duo system that is small and still under $600, I was hoping for some Good Enough(tm) computing out of Apple.</p><p>At least they didn't abandon the Mac Mini, which is something many of us were wondering for the past couple of years.</p><p>Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there? A $599 Mac Mini + $100 drive seems like a better deal than a $999 Mac Mini. (Why do I need two drives? I don't know, RAID-0 maybe?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not 640GB of 750GB drives ?
Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $ 300.All in all I am happy that the Mac Mini got an update .
But I was hoping for a slightly cheaper one .
While it is true that I would find it difficult to find a non-Apple Core 2 Duo system that is small and still under $ 600 , I was hoping for some Good Enough ( tm ) computing out of Apple.At least they did n't abandon the Mac Mini , which is something many of us were wondering for the past couple of years.Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there ?
A $ 599 Mac Mini + $ 100 drive seems like a better deal than a $ 999 Mac Mini .
( Why do I need two drives ?
I do n't know , RAID-0 maybe ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not 640GB of 750GB drives?
Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $300.All in all I am happy that the Mac Mini got an update.
But I was hoping for a slightly cheaper one.
While it is true that I would find it difficult to find a non-Apple Core 2 Duo system that is small and still under $600, I was hoping for some Good Enough(tm) computing out of Apple.At least they didn't abandon the Mac Mini, which is something many of us were wondering for the past couple of years.Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there?
A $599 Mac Mini + $100 drive seems like a better deal than a $999 Mac Mini.
(Why do I need two drives?
I don't know, RAID-0 maybe?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815857</id>
	<title>Re:Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To a real Mac geek, the lack of a DVD drive is not an issue.  Hint: Macs can boot from an attached Firewire device (iPod (1st or 2nd generation had a firewire connector), DVD, external hard drive enclosure, etc)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To a real Mac geek , the lack of a DVD drive is not an issue .
Hint : Macs can boot from an attached Firewire device ( iPod ( 1st or 2nd generation had a firewire connector ) , DVD , external hard drive enclosure , etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To a real Mac geek, the lack of a DVD drive is not an issue.
Hint: Macs can boot from an attached Firewire device (iPod (1st or 2nd generation had a firewire connector), DVD, external hard drive enclosure, etc)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816843</id>
	<title>two hard drives somehow stuffed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256044020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm no dvd drive.. so its pretty simple how they did it.</p><p>But they ship with a DVD disk?  How about the OS installer on a USB flash drive instead?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm no dvd drive.. so its pretty simple how they did it.But they ship with a DVD disk ?
How about the OS installer on a USB flash drive instead ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm no dvd drive.. so its pretty simple how they did it.But they ship with a DVD disk?
How about the OS installer on a USB flash drive instead?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815885</id>
	<title>Re:Only posers would scoff...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> You cannot look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server'.</i></p><p>Does it have row upon row of flashing LEDs ?<br>If yes, it's a server.</p><p>More importantly, does it go 'PING'?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server'.Does it have row upon row of flashing LEDs ? If yes , it 's a server.More importantly , does it go 'PING ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You cannot look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server'.Does it have row upon row of flashing LEDs ?If yes, it's a server.More importantly, does it go 'PING'?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819017</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>mister\_dave</author>
	<datestamp>1256056620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane? When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune. Now the base unit is &pound;500, hardly a drop in the ocean.</p></div></blockquote><p>It is odd. When the MacMini was launched, using a PPC, it was priced to compete with celeron boxes. Then when Apple moved  to Intel chips, they moved the MacMini to a different price bracket rather than use celerons. I daresay they had their reasons, but I'm with you, I think it leaves a hole in their lineup.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane ?
When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune .
Now the base unit is   500 , hardly a drop in the ocean.It is odd .
When the MacMini was launched , using a PPC , it was priced to compete with celeron boxes .
Then when Apple moved to Intel chips , they moved the MacMini to a different price bracket rather than use celerons .
I daresay they had their reasons , but I 'm with you , I think it leaves a hole in their lineup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that thinks that the pricing for the Mac Mini has gone a little insane?
When they first came out they were for people who wanted to dip their toes into the Apple world but without spending a small fortune.
Now the base unit is £500, hardly a drop in the ocean.It is odd.
When the MacMini was launched, using a PPC, it was priced to compete with celeron boxes.
Then when Apple moved  to Intel chips, they moved the MacMini to a different price bracket rather than use celerons.
I daresay they had their reasons, but I'm with you, I think it leaves a hole in their lineup.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815433</id>
	<title>Re:Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>John Whitley</author>
	<datestamp>1256036520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple's page on the <a href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/" title="apple.com">Mac Mini Server</a> [apple.com] specifically references the USB SuperDrive for the Macbook Air, but I presume that other USB (or Firewire?) drive solutions would work as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's page on the Mac Mini Server [ apple.com ] specifically references the USB SuperDrive for the Macbook Air , but I presume that other USB ( or Firewire ?
) drive solutions would work as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's page on the Mac Mini Server [apple.com] specifically references the USB SuperDrive for the Macbook Air, but I presume that other USB (or Firewire?
) drive solutions would work as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820217</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>david.emery</author>
	<datestamp>1256156220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...call me skeptical on that one."</p><p>OK, you're skeptical.  But I've done it.  I installed Snow Leopard Server on a Mini, and set-up time, given a proper DNS entry and connecting to an existing Open Directory LDAP server was under 10 minutes, including configuring my 3 websites that are hosted on a total of 10 different domains (through the IP address assigned by my external ISP)</p><p>Additionally I'm running a 3rd party software router/security solution and so far this has been rock-solid, with a few minor link errors I introduced when I followed a new convention on where I located each webserver's files.</p><p>dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...call me skeptical on that one .
" OK , you 're skeptical .
But I 've done it .
I installed Snow Leopard Server on a Mini , and set-up time , given a proper DNS entry and connecting to an existing Open Directory LDAP server was under 10 minutes , including configuring my 3 websites that are hosted on a total of 10 different domains ( through the IP address assigned by my external ISP ) Additionally I 'm running a 3rd party software router/security solution and so far this has been rock-solid , with a few minor link errors I introduced when I followed a new convention on where I located each webserver 's files.dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...call me skeptical on that one.
"OK, you're skeptical.
But I've done it.
I installed Snow Leopard Server on a Mini, and set-up time, given a proper DNS entry and connecting to an existing Open Directory LDAP server was under 10 minutes, including configuring my 3 websites that are hosted on a total of 10 different domains (through the IP address assigned by my external ISP)Additionally I'm running a 3rd party software router/security solution and so far this has been rock-solid, with a few minor link errors I introduced when I followed a new convention on where I located each webserver's files.dave</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814193</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256032080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not so much about the looks (a Mac Mini doesn't even look that good, I mean, it's just a white box), but the size! You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not so much about the looks ( a Mac Mini does n't even look that good , I mean , it 's just a white box ) , but the size !
You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not so much about the looks (a Mac Mini doesn't even look that good, I mean, it's just a white box), but the size!
You can cramp LOADS of those things in a small space and have massive storage and crunching power without needing an entire room.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816637</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>gumbi west</author>
	<datestamp>1256043120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when does any Apple do a video port check?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when does any Apple do a video port check ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when does any Apple do a video port check?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815975</id>
	<title>Thats why I built a hackintosh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256039220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I needed the storage capacity for the multimedia the mac is so good at handling. My hackintosh is a champ with 3 TB of harddrive space for my photos, 8 gigs of ram.  Its been super reliable and was $1100 Dollars, the price of a high spec mini.</p><p>I've seen a lot of photographers leave apple because of this lack of affordable mid level machine (4 so far). You can get a windows  machine that can easily power through photos for $800-$1000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I needed the storage capacity for the multimedia the mac is so good at handling .
My hackintosh is a champ with 3 TB of harddrive space for my photos , 8 gigs of ram .
Its been super reliable and was $ 1100 Dollars , the price of a high spec mini.I 've seen a lot of photographers leave apple because of this lack of affordable mid level machine ( 4 so far ) .
You can get a windows machine that can easily power through photos for $ 800- $ 1000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I needed the storage capacity for the multimedia the mac is so good at handling.
My hackintosh is a champ with 3 TB of harddrive space for my photos, 8 gigs of ram.
Its been super reliable and was $1100 Dollars, the price of a high spec mini.I've seen a lot of photographers leave apple because of this lack of affordable mid level machine (4 so far).
You can get a windows  machine that can easily power through photos for $800-$1000.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815297</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256035920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So in other words, you're paying more for not having a CD drive, but another hard drive. And I hope they disable the video port check that wouldn't allow the MacMini to boot with out a monitor.<br> <br>
Interestingly for a CPU that doesn't come with an internal CD drive, they promote it with <a href="http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/server\_hero\_20091020.png" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">this image</a> [apple.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>So in other words , you 're paying more for not having a CD drive , but another hard drive .
And I hope they disable the video port check that would n't allow the MacMini to boot with out a monitor .
Interestingly for a CPU that does n't come with an internal CD drive , they promote it with this image [ apple.com ] : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in other words, you're paying more for not having a CD drive, but another hard drive.
And I hope they disable the video port check that wouldn't allow the MacMini to boot with out a monitor.
Interestingly for a CPU that doesn't come with an internal CD drive, they promote it with this image [apple.com] :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815111</id>
	<title>Scoff at the idea of a mac-mini server???</title>
	<author>l0ungeb0y</author>
	<datestamp>1256035200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I only wish they'd had this and the dual HD feature sooner!</p><p>I went out and Mac-Mini and Snow Leopard Server the week Snow Leopard came out and can't think of a better option for a home-media server<br>that offers cool features like a Mail and iCal Server, PodCasting, rounded out with a nice suite of admin tools and takes all of 20 minutes to install and configure.</p><p>Of course, I'm sure a horde of *nix and windows freaks will are ready to tell me why I'm wrong and could get far better for much le$$.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I only wish they 'd had this and the dual HD feature sooner ! I went out and Mac-Mini and Snow Leopard Server the week Snow Leopard came out and ca n't think of a better option for a home-media serverthat offers cool features like a Mail and iCal Server , PodCasting , rounded out with a nice suite of admin tools and takes all of 20 minutes to install and configure.Of course , I 'm sure a horde of * nix and windows freaks will are ready to tell me why I 'm wrong and could get far better for much le $ $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only wish they'd had this and the dual HD feature sooner!I went out and Mac-Mini and Snow Leopard Server the week Snow Leopard came out and can't think of a better option for a home-media serverthat offers cool features like a Mail and iCal Server, PodCasting, rounded out with a nice suite of admin tools and takes all of 20 minutes to install and configure.Of course, I'm sure a horde of *nix and windows freaks will are ready to tell me why I'm wrong and could get far better for much le$$.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29824341</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>zonker</author>
	<datestamp>1256144400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have another Mac in the house it's very easy to share a CD/DVD drive to the server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have another Mac in the house it 's very easy to share a CD/DVD drive to the server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have another Mac in the house it's very easy to share a CD/DVD drive to the server.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814843</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1256034120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I can tell, your question boils down to "Can an email server be configured?"</p><p>The answer to that, obviously, is yes.  Implementing the features you want (or don't want) is a function of reading the documentation for the software you intend to use, and configuring things accordingly.</p><p>What software Slackware or Ubuntu includes by default (whether that's Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, etc.), and how the OS and/or the included email software happens to be configured, is irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I can tell , your question boils down to " Can an email server be configured ?
" The answer to that , obviously , is yes .
Implementing the features you want ( or do n't want ) is a function of reading the documentation for the software you intend to use , and configuring things accordingly.What software Slackware or Ubuntu includes by default ( whether that 's Sendmail , Exim , Postfix , etc .
) , and how the OS and/or the included email software happens to be configured , is irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I can tell, your question boils down to "Can an email server be configured?
"The answer to that, obviously, is yes.
Implementing the features you want (or don't want) is a function of reading the documentation for the software you intend to use, and configuring things accordingly.What software Slackware or Ubuntu includes by default (whether that's Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, etc.
), and how the OS and/or the included email software happens to be configured, is irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814595</id>
	<title>Now they just need iPhoto server.</title>
	<author>jhfry</author>
	<datestamp>1256033220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine a small home/workgroup server like this, but with iPhoto support so that everyone can share a photo database.</p><p>OSX server includes an iCalendar server, Address Book server, Mail Server, iChat server... so they have every other server component that a Mac Centric office would need, why no iPhoto server?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine a small home/workgroup server like this , but with iPhoto support so that everyone can share a photo database.OSX server includes an iCalendar server , Address Book server , Mail Server , iChat server... so they have every other server component that a Mac Centric office would need , why no iPhoto server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine a small home/workgroup server like this, but with iPhoto support so that everyone can share a photo database.OSX server includes an iCalendar server, Address Book server, Mail Server, iChat server... so they have every other server component that a Mac Centric office would need, why no iPhoto server?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815211</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>brantondaveperson</author>
	<datestamp>1256035560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are people, alot of people, me included, for whom 'just a white box' is pretty much the pinnacle of looking good. It's in the finish and the details. In this instance, it's not quite a white box. It's curved on the sides, appears to float off the surface it's placed on. It has brushed aluminium sides and a slightly translucent white top.</p><p>It really does look really nice. Nothing to do with RDF's or whatever other kinds of mental retardation some people will doubtless accuse me of. No it's actually genuinely lovely to look at. And I'm going to buy one and I don't care what you say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are people , alot of people , me included , for whom 'just a white box ' is pretty much the pinnacle of looking good .
It 's in the finish and the details .
In this instance , it 's not quite a white box .
It 's curved on the sides , appears to float off the surface it 's placed on .
It has brushed aluminium sides and a slightly translucent white top.It really does look really nice .
Nothing to do with RDF 's or whatever other kinds of mental retardation some people will doubtless accuse me of .
No it 's actually genuinely lovely to look at .
And I 'm going to buy one and I do n't care what you say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are people, alot of people, me included, for whom 'just a white box' is pretty much the pinnacle of looking good.
It's in the finish and the details.
In this instance, it's not quite a white box.
It's curved on the sides, appears to float off the surface it's placed on.
It has brushed aluminium sides and a slightly translucent white top.It really does look really nice.
Nothing to do with RDF's or whatever other kinds of mental retardation some people will doubtless accuse me of.
No it's actually genuinely lovely to look at.
And I'm going to buy one and I don't care what you say.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814603</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1256033280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, I love how the small form factor is small enough to keep on a desk but heavy enough that all my papers I put underneath it won't just go flying away. I've always wanted a pearl white paper weight with connectors on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , I love how the small form factor is small enough to keep on a desk but heavy enough that all my papers I put underneath it wo n't just go flying away .
I 've always wanted a pearl white paper weight with connectors on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, I love how the small form factor is small enough to keep on a desk but heavy enough that all my papers I put underneath it won't just go flying away.
I've always wanted a pearl white paper weight with connectors on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818495</id>
	<title>Kown what you are doing?</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1256053200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.<i> <br>
<br>
The question is, would you host any content at a company that has this kind of "policy" (eg: to not know what they do...)? Also, what is the need of some graphical point and click desktop interface in a server?</i></i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing .
The question is , would you host any content at a company that has this kind of " policy " ( eg : to not know what they do... ) ?
Also , what is the need of some graphical point and click desktop interface in a server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.
The question is, would you host any content at a company that has this kind of "policy" (eg: to not know what they do...)?
Also, what is the need of some graphical point and click desktop interface in a server?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816181</id>
	<title>That's not a server</title>
	<author>themadplasterer</author>
	<datestamp>1256040420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But does the mini come with rails?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>But does the mini come with rails ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does the mini come with rails?
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29839971</id>
	<title>I like it; may get it.</title>
	<author>romanval</author>
	<datestamp>1256205060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We're an 8 person print shop with all Macs (not just design/prepress, but accounting, receptionist... everyone)-- The mini server certainly look appealing,  Here's why:<br>
<br>
1. Full AFP compatibility:  When you're an all mac shop you need it.   There's no time to mess with Netatalk settings if you're getting random disconnects and stuff.   Other servers may give you fits if you enter filenames with \"/?*| in them (all of these are legit mac filename characters.)  <br>
<br>
2. Searching for filenames on a mac sever is very quick, since the server keeps all filenames under a b-tree (using HFS+).   When searching a Linux or SMB server, the mac has to traverses the entire directory tree to search for files, which takes excruciatingly long when you have almost half a million files on the server. <br>
<br>
3. A SOHO business is going to have very few employees, one of which is going to be the 'computer guy', but not a full time I.T. professional. (I'm a print shop guy first, web developer 2nd, and IT guy a distant third.).   That's exactly the target market for this server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're an 8 person print shop with all Macs ( not just design/prepress , but accounting , receptionist... everyone ) -- The mini server certainly look appealing , Here 's why : 1 .
Full AFP compatibility : When you 're an all mac shop you need it .
There 's no time to mess with Netatalk settings if you 're getting random disconnects and stuff .
Other servers may give you fits if you enter filenames with \ " / ?
* | in them ( all of these are legit mac filename characters .
) 2 .
Searching for filenames on a mac sever is very quick , since the server keeps all filenames under a b-tree ( using HFS + ) .
When searching a Linux or SMB server , the mac has to traverses the entire directory tree to search for files , which takes excruciatingly long when you have almost half a million files on the server .
3. A SOHO business is going to have very few employees , one of which is going to be the 'computer guy ' , but not a full time I.T .
professional. ( I 'm a print shop guy first , web developer 2nd , and IT guy a distant third. ) .
That 's exactly the target market for this server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're an 8 person print shop with all Macs (not just design/prepress, but accounting, receptionist... everyone)-- The mini server certainly look appealing,  Here's why:

1.
Full AFP compatibility:  When you're an all mac shop you need it.
There's no time to mess with Netatalk settings if you're getting random disconnects and stuff.
Other servers may give you fits if you enter filenames with \"/?
*| in them (all of these are legit mac filename characters.
)  

2.
Searching for filenames on a mac sever is very quick, since the server keeps all filenames under a b-tree (using HFS+).
When searching a Linux or SMB server, the mac has to traverses the entire directory tree to search for files, which takes excruciatingly long when you have almost half a million files on the server.
3. A SOHO business is going to have very few employees, one of which is going to be the 'computer guy', but not a full time I.T.
professional. (I'm a print shop guy first, web developer 2nd, and IT guy a distant third.).
That's exactly the target market for this server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818411</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1256052660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a bit more than your cheap PC box, yes, but it's made out of notebook parts.  That's important when you're running it as a small office server that a) has to be on all the time because it's a server but b) doesn't do much a lot of the time.</p><p>The thing uses about as much power as a CFL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit more than your cheap PC box , yes , but it 's made out of notebook parts .
That 's important when you 're running it as a small office server that a ) has to be on all the time because it 's a server but b ) does n't do much a lot of the time.The thing uses about as much power as a CFL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit more than your cheap PC box, yes, but it's made out of notebook parts.
That's important when you're running it as a small office server that a) has to be on all the time because it's a server but b) doesn't do much a lot of the time.The thing uses about as much power as a CFL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814809</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please - The only thing this "server" is going to do is stimulate the rectum of iFags.</p><p>Think you're safe from viruses? Let's see how you like AIDS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please - The only thing this " server " is going to do is stimulate the rectum of iFags.Think you 're safe from viruses ?
Let 's see how you like AIDS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please - The only thing this "server" is going to do is stimulate the rectum of iFags.Think you're safe from viruses?
Let's see how you like AIDS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817593</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256047800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't hate me because I'm pretty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't hate me because I 'm pretty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't hate me because I'm pretty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814637</id>
	<title>This is a wonderful product for the small business</title>
	<author>cyberworm</author>
	<datestamp>1256033400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this reminds me of NT Small Business Server edition from so long ago (does it even exist anymore?)
I know this is going to sound like MS bashing (which isn't my intent), but I would dare say that this is what MS was trying to do with SBS, but done right and easily packed into a nice little box.

The only drawback I can see is at the end user point and no superdrive/dvd/cd for re-installing the whole OS if needed.  Granted there are many ways either via target disk, disk image, remote desktop, etc but a lot of those functions are exactly intuitive to most people who may see this as a sort of turnkey solution to their small business needs.  Hopefully they will be knowledgeable enough to hire someone to setup/troubleshoot the system when needed.

Working with OS X Server, I can see some great advantages for those running an apple based environment.  We're a small business and a while back we went with an Xserve to meet our requirements.  It was a bit overkill (it still is) but the expectation is that it will last a hell of a long time with minimal maintenance.  Which, knock on wood, it has.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this reminds me of NT Small Business Server edition from so long ago ( does it even exist anymore ?
) I know this is going to sound like MS bashing ( which is n't my intent ) , but I would dare say that this is what MS was trying to do with SBS , but done right and easily packed into a nice little box .
The only drawback I can see is at the end user point and no superdrive/dvd/cd for re-installing the whole OS if needed .
Granted there are many ways either via target disk , disk image , remote desktop , etc but a lot of those functions are exactly intuitive to most people who may see this as a sort of turnkey solution to their small business needs .
Hopefully they will be knowledgeable enough to hire someone to setup/troubleshoot the system when needed .
Working with OS X Server , I can see some great advantages for those running an apple based environment .
We 're a small business and a while back we went with an Xserve to meet our requirements .
It was a bit overkill ( it still is ) but the expectation is that it will last a hell of a long time with minimal maintenance .
Which , knock on wood , it has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this reminds me of NT Small Business Server edition from so long ago (does it even exist anymore?
)
I know this is going to sound like MS bashing (which isn't my intent), but I would dare say that this is what MS was trying to do with SBS, but done right and easily packed into a nice little box.
The only drawback I can see is at the end user point and no superdrive/dvd/cd for re-installing the whole OS if needed.
Granted there are many ways either via target disk, disk image, remote desktop, etc but a lot of those functions are exactly intuitive to most people who may see this as a sort of turnkey solution to their small business needs.
Hopefully they will be knowledgeable enough to hire someone to setup/troubleshoot the system when needed.
Working with OS X Server, I can see some great advantages for those running an apple based environment.
We're a small business and a while back we went with an Xserve to meet our requirements.
It was a bit overkill (it still is) but the expectation is that it will last a hell of a long time with minimal maintenance.
Which, knock on wood, it has.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817191</id>
	<title>Re:Good be great</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1256045580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you mad? If you want to host email and http, get a coloed box or some managed hosting. Way cheaper than the telco's plan and more reliable too. Also, you won't have to deal with crappy bandwidth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you mad ?
If you want to host email and http , get a coloed box or some managed hosting .
Way cheaper than the telco 's plan and more reliable too .
Also , you wo n't have to deal with crappy bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you mad?
If you want to host email and http, get a coloed box or some managed hosting.
Way cheaper than the telco's plan and more reliable too.
Also, you won't have to deal with crappy bandwidth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814691</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL, "backed by a large company" "even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS". Wow, just wow. Hands up who thinks Apple is going to offer ANY support to someone running a BSD/Linux on a Mac Mini Server?!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL , " backed by a large company " " even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS " .
Wow , just wow .
Hands up who thinks Apple is going to offer ANY support to someone running a BSD/Linux on a Mac Mini Server ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL, "backed by a large company" "even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS".
Wow, just wow.
Hands up who thinks Apple is going to offer ANY support to someone running a BSD/Linux on a Mac Mini Server?!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819917</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>DurendalMac</author>
	<datestamp>1256065440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It may not be that easy, but OS X Server is infinitely easier to manage than Win 2k3 ever was, that's for damned sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may not be that easy , but OS X Server is infinitely easier to manage than Win 2k3 ever was , that 's for damned sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may not be that easy, but OS X Server is infinitely easier to manage than Win 2k3 ever was, that's for damned sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815485</id>
	<title>Bought something similar a week ago</title>
	<author>david.emery</author>
	<datestamp>1256036820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been running OS X Server in a SOHO situation for several years, including hosting some websites, LDAP-based network login, OS X Mobile accounts on laptops (laptop synchs when it's back in the home network) and file sharing.</p><p>Last week I got a new low-end Mini and a copy of Snow Leopard Server, at about the same cost as the new product.  My Mini is only 2.0ghz, compared to 2.5ghz, and has only 1, 120gb, disk drive vs the 2x 500gb drives.  But those drives are 5400rpm, and you give up the optical drive for the second hard drive.  My big disappointment with this (besides it coming out a week after I bought something a bit less capable) is that I think they should have added at least one and preferably 2 eSATA ports (and given up 2 USB ports.)</p><p>I'm looking forward to trying out the Wiki server, and also the new 'connect to home' facility that is something like a very simplified VPN, that's new in Snow Leopard Server.</p><p>Administering Snow Leopard Server is very little like handling Unix servers, with one exception.  You still need to pore through logfiles for security issues, etc.  But the late Leopard Server (X.5.6 or so) and now Snow Leopard server "server preferences" are likely to provide a relatively knowledgeable user with the ability to set up a functional server in, literally, 10 minutes (voice of experience...)  That's assuming you have a DNS that provides domain name/IP mapping, and you're doing simple LDAP or already have an LDAP server (including Active Directory, but I don't have any experience with AD or mixed Windows/Mac integration.)</p><p>Clearly this is not for someone who needs computational power in a server.  But a pair of servers, using a shared (NAS) disk, and some sort of mechanism that can do hot-backup/rollover at the edge, could be a very workable relatively high-reliability situation for someone.  But more importantly, I think this is a very attractive product for small offices, particularly with some sort of FW800 or NAS RAID mirrored/redundant disk enclosure.</p><p>Oh, and someone asked how you do an install without an optical drive in the server:  "There's more than one way to do this."  MacOS provides remote disk (this was developed for the MacBook Air), so you slide your install DVD into another Mac with an optical drive and active remote disk.  OR, you can use Firewire Target mode (one of the great Mac tricks of all time.)  This is how I loaded my Leopard server double-density DVD onto an old G5 that did not have a double density DVD drive.  I stuck it in my MacBook Pro, then rebooted the MBP into Firewire Target mode.  I used a (FW800 - great performance) cable to plug that machine into the G5.  All of the MBP's drives, including the DVD in the optical drive, mounted on the G5.  Basically Target mode turns your Mac into the equivalent of an external disk enclosure for all drives/volumes on that machine.  This is also super-cool for backup.  I have an eSATA enclosure and a ExpressCard34 eSATA adapter for the MBP.  I can do drive-dump level backups by putting the Mini into Firewire Target mode and then disk-dumping drive images onto my eSATA enclosure.  (The eSATA enclosure is left over from that G5, which had a hardware RAID eSATA card in it.  I was sorry to give that particular card up, it worked pretty well.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been running OS X Server in a SOHO situation for several years , including hosting some websites , LDAP-based network login , OS X Mobile accounts on laptops ( laptop synchs when it 's back in the home network ) and file sharing.Last week I got a new low-end Mini and a copy of Snow Leopard Server , at about the same cost as the new product .
My Mini is only 2.0ghz , compared to 2.5ghz , and has only 1 , 120gb , disk drive vs the 2x 500gb drives .
But those drives are 5400rpm , and you give up the optical drive for the second hard drive .
My big disappointment with this ( besides it coming out a week after I bought something a bit less capable ) is that I think they should have added at least one and preferably 2 eSATA ports ( and given up 2 USB ports .
) I 'm looking forward to trying out the Wiki server , and also the new 'connect to home ' facility that is something like a very simplified VPN , that 's new in Snow Leopard Server.Administering Snow Leopard Server is very little like handling Unix servers , with one exception .
You still need to pore through logfiles for security issues , etc .
But the late Leopard Server ( X.5.6 or so ) and now Snow Leopard server " server preferences " are likely to provide a relatively knowledgeable user with the ability to set up a functional server in , literally , 10 minutes ( voice of experience... ) That 's assuming you have a DNS that provides domain name/IP mapping , and you 're doing simple LDAP or already have an LDAP server ( including Active Directory , but I do n't have any experience with AD or mixed Windows/Mac integration .
) Clearly this is not for someone who needs computational power in a server .
But a pair of servers , using a shared ( NAS ) disk , and some sort of mechanism that can do hot-backup/rollover at the edge , could be a very workable relatively high-reliability situation for someone .
But more importantly , I think this is a very attractive product for small offices , particularly with some sort of FW800 or NAS RAID mirrored/redundant disk enclosure.Oh , and someone asked how you do an install without an optical drive in the server : " There 's more than one way to do this .
" MacOS provides remote disk ( this was developed for the MacBook Air ) , so you slide your install DVD into another Mac with an optical drive and active remote disk .
OR , you can use Firewire Target mode ( one of the great Mac tricks of all time .
) This is how I loaded my Leopard server double-density DVD onto an old G5 that did not have a double density DVD drive .
I stuck it in my MacBook Pro , then rebooted the MBP into Firewire Target mode .
I used a ( FW800 - great performance ) cable to plug that machine into the G5 .
All of the MBP 's drives , including the DVD in the optical drive , mounted on the G5 .
Basically Target mode turns your Mac into the equivalent of an external disk enclosure for all drives/volumes on that machine .
This is also super-cool for backup .
I have an eSATA enclosure and a ExpressCard34 eSATA adapter for the MBP .
I can do drive-dump level backups by putting the Mini into Firewire Target mode and then disk-dumping drive images onto my eSATA enclosure .
( The eSATA enclosure is left over from that G5 , which had a hardware RAID eSATA card in it .
I was sorry to give that particular card up , it worked pretty well .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been running OS X Server in a SOHO situation for several years, including hosting some websites, LDAP-based network login, OS X Mobile accounts on laptops (laptop synchs when it's back in the home network) and file sharing.Last week I got a new low-end Mini and a copy of Snow Leopard Server, at about the same cost as the new product.
My Mini is only 2.0ghz, compared to 2.5ghz, and has only 1, 120gb, disk drive vs the 2x 500gb drives.
But those drives are 5400rpm, and you give up the optical drive for the second hard drive.
My big disappointment with this (besides it coming out a week after I bought something a bit less capable) is that I think they should have added at least one and preferably 2 eSATA ports (and given up 2 USB ports.
)I'm looking forward to trying out the Wiki server, and also the new 'connect to home' facility that is something like a very simplified VPN, that's new in Snow Leopard Server.Administering Snow Leopard Server is very little like handling Unix servers, with one exception.
You still need to pore through logfiles for security issues, etc.
But the late Leopard Server (X.5.6 or so) and now Snow Leopard server "server preferences" are likely to provide a relatively knowledgeable user with the ability to set up a functional server in, literally, 10 minutes (voice of experience...)  That's assuming you have a DNS that provides domain name/IP mapping, and you're doing simple LDAP or already have an LDAP server (including Active Directory, but I don't have any experience with AD or mixed Windows/Mac integration.
)Clearly this is not for someone who needs computational power in a server.
But a pair of servers, using a shared (NAS) disk, and some sort of mechanism that can do hot-backup/rollover at the edge, could be a very workable relatively high-reliability situation for someone.
But more importantly, I think this is a very attractive product for small offices, particularly with some sort of FW800 or NAS RAID mirrored/redundant disk enclosure.Oh, and someone asked how you do an install without an optical drive in the server:  "There's more than one way to do this.
"  MacOS provides remote disk (this was developed for the MacBook Air), so you slide your install DVD into another Mac with an optical drive and active remote disk.
OR, you can use Firewire Target mode (one of the great Mac tricks of all time.
)  This is how I loaded my Leopard server double-density DVD onto an old G5 that did not have a double density DVD drive.
I stuck it in my MacBook Pro, then rebooted the MBP into Firewire Target mode.
I used a (FW800 - great performance) cable to plug that machine into the G5.
All of the MBP's drives, including the DVD in the optical drive, mounted on the G5.
Basically Target mode turns your Mac into the equivalent of an external disk enclosure for all drives/volumes on that machine.
This is also super-cool for backup.
I have an eSATA enclosure and a ExpressCard34 eSATA adapter for the MBP.
I can do drive-dump level backups by putting the Mini into Firewire Target mode and then disk-dumping drive images onto my eSATA enclosure.
(The eSATA enclosure is left over from that G5, which had a hardware RAID eSATA card in it.
I was sorry to give that particular card up, it worked pretty well.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814027</id>
	<title>Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.</i>"<p>...call me skeptical on that one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing .
" ...call me skeptical on that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The almost completely guided setup process means that people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing.
"...call me skeptical on that one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814955</id>
	<title>Re:Snow Leopard is not a "true UNIX"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How's Aunt Flo?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's Aunt Flo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's Aunt Flo?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814175</id>
	<title>Re:Servers are by activity not size</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1256032020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly, What is a server but a glorified workstation that runs a service of some sort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , What is a server but a glorified workstation that runs a service of some sort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, What is a server but a glorified workstation that runs a service of some sort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814885</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1256034300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know where you have been for the past ten years, but the time of putting beige boxes in the back rooms and praying hat they don' break down is over with.  Servers are now serious business, and the aesthetics matter because it is often related to reliability, TCO, and overhead.  Servers now require real-estate, which costs money, power, which costs money, and cooling, which costs money.  What is more, downtime costs money.  On a personal note, the server room I use follows the philosophy of 'who cares about aesthetics'.   It is impossible to work, takes forever to get things fixed, and generally is pain.  I can imagine how much nicer it would be just to have neat stacks of mac minis.
<p>
I think that is the issue.  What if one wants a server and all one has is a telephone closet.  For 1K you can put a mini in there and probably won't need to worry about power, cooling, whatever.  A thousand for a server.  Back in the olden days, when I was putting the first servers in a MS Windows environment, the machines cost at lest twice that much, and were unreliable.  Today, a growing business could probably live for a while just adding more servers.  And at that price, one could keep an extra around.  You now, a redundant array of mac minis.
</p><p>
I am not saying that I can imagine a real case where a mini server would make sense.  I am just saying that discounting things like aesthetics and design in a what is clearly meant to be SOHO server is rather silly.  Not everyone has the funds to hire an MSCE to run a server, has the need for a rack solution, or the ability to set up a *nix server from scratch.  In reality, I can't imagine how this would be better than outsourcing, but I can appreciate how this is one of Apples cleaver ideas.  I suspect MS might be pushing their xbox server next month</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where you have been for the past ten years , but the time of putting beige boxes in the back rooms and praying hat they don ' break down is over with .
Servers are now serious business , and the aesthetics matter because it is often related to reliability , TCO , and overhead .
Servers now require real-estate , which costs money , power , which costs money , and cooling , which costs money .
What is more , downtime costs money .
On a personal note , the server room I use follows the philosophy of 'who cares about aesthetics' .
It is impossible to work , takes forever to get things fixed , and generally is pain .
I can imagine how much nicer it would be just to have neat stacks of mac minis .
I think that is the issue .
What if one wants a server and all one has is a telephone closet .
For 1K you can put a mini in there and probably wo n't need to worry about power , cooling , whatever .
A thousand for a server .
Back in the olden days , when I was putting the first servers in a MS Windows environment , the machines cost at lest twice that much , and were unreliable .
Today , a growing business could probably live for a while just adding more servers .
And at that price , one could keep an extra around .
You now , a redundant array of mac minis .
I am not saying that I can imagine a real case where a mini server would make sense .
I am just saying that discounting things like aesthetics and design in a what is clearly meant to be SOHO server is rather silly .
Not everyone has the funds to hire an MSCE to run a server , has the need for a rack solution , or the ability to set up a * nix server from scratch .
In reality , I ca n't imagine how this would be better than outsourcing , but I can appreciate how this is one of Apples cleaver ideas .
I suspect MS might be pushing their xbox server next month</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where you have been for the past ten years, but the time of putting beige boxes in the back rooms and praying hat they don' break down is over with.
Servers are now serious business, and the aesthetics matter because it is often related to reliability, TCO, and overhead.
Servers now require real-estate, which costs money, power, which costs money, and cooling, which costs money.
What is more, downtime costs money.
On a personal note, the server room I use follows the philosophy of 'who cares about aesthetics'.
It is impossible to work, takes forever to get things fixed, and generally is pain.
I can imagine how much nicer it would be just to have neat stacks of mac minis.
I think that is the issue.
What if one wants a server and all one has is a telephone closet.
For 1K you can put a mini in there and probably won't need to worry about power, cooling, whatever.
A thousand for a server.
Back in the olden days, when I was putting the first servers in a MS Windows environment, the machines cost at lest twice that much, and were unreliable.
Today, a growing business could probably live for a while just adding more servers.
And at that price, one could keep an extra around.
You now, a redundant array of mac minis.
I am not saying that I can imagine a real case where a mini server would make sense.
I am just saying that discounting things like aesthetics and design in a what is clearly meant to be SOHO server is rather silly.
Not everyone has the funds to hire an MSCE to run a server, has the need for a rack solution, or the ability to set up a *nix server from scratch.
In reality, I can't imagine how this would be better than outsourcing, but I can appreciate how this is one of Apples cleaver ideas.
I suspect MS might be pushing their xbox server next month</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820255</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>david.emery</author>
	<datestamp>1256156700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A DLink Fast Ethernet USB 2.0 DUB-E100 adapter (among others) works without any driver installation under Snow Leopard (same chipset as used in the MacBook Air's ethernet adapter, apparently...)  See <a href="http://www.sustworks.com/" title="sustworks.com">http://www.sustworks.com/</a> [sustworks.com] for a discussion of using Ethernet USB adapters on MacOS.</p><p>I'm running Sustworks' IPNetRouter on my new Mini right now.  Onboard GigE talks to the local LAN and the USB 2 Ethernet adapter talks to the firewall router and the outside world.</p><p>Somewhere around MacOS X.5.6 Server they introduced a new low configuration option that I used on this latest server.  As mentioned in an earlier post, I had my new server and its 3 websites up and running in about 10 minutes total time (given an external DNS &amp; Open Directory server on my network.  I did not test a completely standalone installation.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A DLink Fast Ethernet USB 2.0 DUB-E100 adapter ( among others ) works without any driver installation under Snow Leopard ( same chipset as used in the MacBook Air 's ethernet adapter , apparently... ) See http : //www.sustworks.com/ [ sustworks.com ] for a discussion of using Ethernet USB adapters on MacOS.I 'm running Sustworks ' IPNetRouter on my new Mini right now .
Onboard GigE talks to the local LAN and the USB 2 Ethernet adapter talks to the firewall router and the outside world.Somewhere around MacOS X.5.6 Server they introduced a new low configuration option that I used on this latest server .
As mentioned in an earlier post , I had my new server and its 3 websites up and running in about 10 minutes total time ( given an external DNS &amp; Open Directory server on my network .
I did not test a completely standalone installation .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A DLink Fast Ethernet USB 2.0 DUB-E100 adapter (among others) works without any driver installation under Snow Leopard (same chipset as used in the MacBook Air's ethernet adapter, apparently...)  See http://www.sustworks.com/ [sustworks.com] for a discussion of using Ethernet USB adapters on MacOS.I'm running Sustworks' IPNetRouter on my new Mini right now.
Onboard GigE talks to the local LAN and the USB 2 Ethernet adapter talks to the firewall router and the outside world.Somewhere around MacOS X.5.6 Server they introduced a new low configuration option that I used on this latest server.
As mentioned in an earlier post, I had my new server and its 3 websites up and running in about 10 minutes total time (given an external DNS &amp; Open Directory server on my network.
I did not test a completely standalone installation.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814941</id>
	<title>The end of the world is near!</title>
	<author>slushdork</author>
	<datestamp>1256034480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the <a href="http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">Apple</a> [apple.com] website on the Magic Mouse:

<p>

<i>Magic Mouse functions as a <b>two-button mouse</b> when you enable Secondary Click in System Preferences. Left-handed users can reassign left and right click, as well.</i>

</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...oh, and <a href="http://bash.org/?901460" title="bash.org" rel="nofollow">Ob. Bash</a> [bash.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Apple [ apple.com ] website on the Magic Mouse : Magic Mouse functions as a two-button mouse when you enable Secondary Click in System Preferences .
Left-handed users can reassign left and right click , as well .
...oh , and Ob .
Bash [ bash.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Apple [apple.com] website on the Magic Mouse:



Magic Mouse functions as a two-button mouse when you enable Secondary Click in System Preferences.
Left-handed users can reassign left and right click, as well.
...oh, and Ob.
Bash [bash.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814871</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>PhunkySchtuff</author>
	<datestamp>1256034240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mac OS X Server 10.6 has pretty decent security on it's mail services, however with some tweaking I'm sure you can turn some of this off. From memory, you can easily allow unauthenticated SMTP from the local subnet, but not from the internet at large.</p><p><a href="http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/mail-services.html" title="apple.com">http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/mail-services.html</a> [apple.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac OS X Server 10.6 has pretty decent security on it 's mail services , however with some tweaking I 'm sure you can turn some of this off .
From memory , you can easily allow unauthenticated SMTP from the local subnet , but not from the internet at large.http : //www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/mail-services.html [ apple.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac OS X Server 10.6 has pretty decent security on it's mail services, however with some tweaking I'm sure you can turn some of this off.
From memory, you can easily allow unauthenticated SMTP from the local subnet, but not from the internet at large.http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/mail-services.html [apple.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814801</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been wanting a 2ed OSX server to use as a OD replicate.  Most of I don't have pointed at LDAP is pointed at a RADIUS server which is pointed at the OD/LDAP.  Linux, BSD, Applications, and authentication for most of two different wide area educational networks across the state.  I had planed on buying the better mini, a server license, and then sticking at another one of our POPs once 10.6 had been out and I upgraded my primary OSX server.  I don't need it to do everything my main OSX Server dose, just a few important things like an OD replicate and VPN. (All my other really important stuff like DNS is already distributed between different POPs across the state.)  If the NOC blows up staff can VPN into the Mini from home to get critical tasks done.</p><p>I know I could use OpenLDAP, replication, etc, etc, but with a staff of less then 20 people, half of which are MACs, OSX server has been a great SMB product fit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been wanting a 2ed OSX server to use as a OD replicate .
Most of I do n't have pointed at LDAP is pointed at a RADIUS server which is pointed at the OD/LDAP .
Linux , BSD , Applications , and authentication for most of two different wide area educational networks across the state .
I had planed on buying the better mini , a server license , and then sticking at another one of our POPs once 10.6 had been out and I upgraded my primary OSX server .
I do n't need it to do everything my main OSX Server dose , just a few important things like an OD replicate and VPN .
( All my other really important stuff like DNS is already distributed between different POPs across the state .
) If the NOC blows up staff can VPN into the Mini from home to get critical tasks done.I know I could use OpenLDAP , replication , etc , etc , but with a staff of less then 20 people , half of which are MACs , OSX server has been a great SMB product fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been wanting a 2ed OSX server to use as a OD replicate.
Most of I don't have pointed at LDAP is pointed at a RADIUS server which is pointed at the OD/LDAP.
Linux, BSD, Applications, and authentication for most of two different wide area educational networks across the state.
I had planed on buying the better mini, a server license, and then sticking at another one of our POPs once 10.6 had been out and I upgraded my primary OSX server.
I don't need it to do everything my main OSX Server dose, just a few important things like an OD replicate and VPN.
(All my other really important stuff like DNS is already distributed between different POPs across the state.
)  If the NOC blows up staff can VPN into the Mini from home to get critical tasks done.I know I could use OpenLDAP, replication, etc, etc, but with a staff of less then 20 people, half of which are MACs, OSX server has been a great SMB product fit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817713</id>
	<title>!scoffworthy</title>
	<author>vga\_init</author>
	<datestamp>1256048520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.'</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>I really don't see what there is to scoff at; there used to be a time when personal computers could not even run Unix!  Personal computers today are far more powerful than mainframe servers used to be not too long ago, and you're going to tell me I can't use a Mac Mini as a server?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Undoubtedly , many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server .
' I really do n't see what there is to scoff at ; there used to be a time when personal computers could not even run Unix !
Personal computers today are far more powerful than mainframe servers used to be not too long ago , and you 're going to tell me I ca n't use a Mac Mini as a server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.
' I really don't see what there is to scoff at; there used to be a time when personal computers could not even run Unix!
Personal computers today are far more powerful than mainframe servers used to be not too long ago, and you're going to tell me I can't use a Mac Mini as a server?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814185</id>
	<title>How easy is it to set up an open relay mail server</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1256032020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...on one of these.  If it's a no-brainer, point-and-click affair I'm in.  I've got this Xerox copier that is a fantastic B&amp;W scanner - the problem is that they only allow scanning to email. And the email server can't require any authentication. I'm not kidding. The first time I set it up the Xerox s/w support guy walked me through getting it connected, verifying the old exchange box I used would take an unauthenticated telnet session to send an email. When that machine died, I decided I could by a new scanner for less than a MS Exchange license (it was tied to the dead pc). I tried ubuntu and slack on a small box, but couldn't quite get the two to talk.</p><p>For $500, I might try again.</p><p>(FWIW, the scanner can do 20-30 sheets a minute, and also does 11x17 duplex and mixed originals...not you're run-of-the-mill $200 AIO machine)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...on one of these .
If it 's a no-brainer , point-and-click affair I 'm in .
I 've got this Xerox copier that is a fantastic B&amp;W scanner - the problem is that they only allow scanning to email .
And the email server ca n't require any authentication .
I 'm not kidding .
The first time I set it up the Xerox s/w support guy walked me through getting it connected , verifying the old exchange box I used would take an unauthenticated telnet session to send an email .
When that machine died , I decided I could by a new scanner for less than a MS Exchange license ( it was tied to the dead pc ) .
I tried ubuntu and slack on a small box , but could n't quite get the two to talk.For $ 500 , I might try again .
( FWIW , the scanner can do 20-30 sheets a minute , and also does 11x17 duplex and mixed originals...not you 're run-of-the-mill $ 200 AIO machine )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...on one of these.
If it's a no-brainer, point-and-click affair I'm in.
I've got this Xerox copier that is a fantastic B&amp;W scanner - the problem is that they only allow scanning to email.
And the email server can't require any authentication.
I'm not kidding.
The first time I set it up the Xerox s/w support guy walked me through getting it connected, verifying the old exchange box I used would take an unauthenticated telnet session to send an email.
When that machine died, I decided I could by a new scanner for less than a MS Exchange license (it was tied to the dead pc).
I tried ubuntu and slack on a small box, but couldn't quite get the two to talk.For $500, I might try again.
(FWIW, the scanner can do 20-30 sheets a minute, and also does 11x17 duplex and mixed originals...not you're run-of-the-mill $200 AIO machine)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814115</id>
	<title>Only posers would scoff...</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1256031840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.'</p></div><p>I'm not familiar with this exact device, but the premise of the statement is rife with inexperience.  You cannot look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server'.  It may not be a 'good server', but 'server' is certainly possible based on this simple test:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Does it primarily offer services to people using another machine for their interface?</p><p>If yes, 'server'.</p><p>If yes, but someone is using it as an interface, that's 'server being used as an interface'.  (Which is bad, by the way.)</p><p>If no, not primarily, that's 'workstation with shares'.  (Also bad, but less so.)</p><p>Its all about the purpose, not the form factor.  Lets not forget, the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server' I was ever asked to admin.</p><p>Stay around long enough, and you'll soon be able to say the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Undoubtedly , many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server .
'I 'm not familiar with this exact device , but the premise of the statement is rife with inexperience .
You can not look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server' .
It may not be a 'good server ' , but 'server ' is certainly possible based on this simple test :           Does it primarily offer services to people using another machine for their interface ? If yes , 'server'.If yes , but someone is using it as an interface , that 's 'server being used as an interface' .
( Which is bad , by the way .
) If no , not primarily , that 's 'workstation with shares' .
( Also bad , but less so .
) Its all about the purpose , not the form factor .
Lets not forget , the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server ' I was ever asked to admin.Stay around long enough , and you 'll soon be able to say the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Undoubtedly, many in the IT community will scoff at the thought of calling such a device a 'server.
'I'm not familiar with this exact device, but the premise of the statement is rife with inexperience.
You cannot look at the physical characteristics of a thing and say 'that is not a server'.
It may not be a 'good server', but 'server' is certainly possible based on this simple test:
          Does it primarily offer services to people using another machine for their interface?If yes, 'server'.If yes, but someone is using it as an interface, that's 'server being used as an interface'.
(Which is bad, by the way.
)If no, not primarily, that's 'workstation with shares'.
(Also bad, but less so.
)Its all about the purpose, not the form factor.
Lets not forget, the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server' I was ever asked to admin.Stay around long enough, and you'll soon be able to say the same.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814485</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>DavidDK</author>
	<datestamp>1256032920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really simple, they have a nice UI for this:  <a href="http://imgur.com/FjHtQ.png" title="imgur.com" rel="nofollow">screen shot</a> [imgur.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really simple , they have a nice UI for this : screen shot [ imgur.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really simple, they have a nice UI for this:  screen shot [imgur.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817311</id>
	<title>Re:Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>Toe, The</author>
	<datestamp>1256046180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is this series of tubes... Programs can travel over them right into your machine.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is this series of tubes... Programs can travel over them right into your machine .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is this series of tubes... Programs can travel over them right into your machine.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814471</id>
	<title>Good be great</title>
	<author>cppmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1256032920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Heck for a tiny little 6 person company like mine this thing could be great. Only one problem... the local telco hates the idea of competition and thus blocks low ports so as to keep small companies from cost effectively hosting in house.&nbsp; Sure the D&amp;E sales guy said he could offer me a static ip for $1200+ a month but still not allowed to host on ports 25 or 80 and hey their $25/month IIS + Exchange hosting with no uptime guarantee is such a great deal right so why don't I do that? So as much as I'd like to bring things in house I think we'll have to keep using keep using Dreamhost.<br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck for a tiny little 6 person company like mine this thing could be great .
Only one problem... the local telco hates the idea of competition and thus blocks low ports so as to keep small companies from cost effectively hosting in house.   Sure the D&amp;E sales guy said he could offer me a static ip for $ 1200 + a month but still not allowed to host on ports 25 or 80 and hey their $ 25/month IIS + Exchange hosting with no uptime guarantee is such a great deal right so why do n't I do that ?
So as much as I 'd like to bring things in house I think we 'll have to keep using keep using Dreamhost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck for a tiny little 6 person company like mine this thing could be great.
Only one problem... the local telco hates the idea of competition and thus blocks low ports so as to keep small companies from cost effectively hosting in house.  Sure the D&amp;E sales guy said he could offer me a static ip for $1200+ a month but still not allowed to host on ports 25 or 80 and hey their $25/month IIS + Exchange hosting with no uptime guarantee is such a great deal right so why don't I do that?
So as much as I'd like to bring things in house I think we'll have to keep using keep using Dreamhost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816085</id>
	<title>It makes sense since it is being used like that</title>
	<author>Bender Unit 22</author>
	<datestamp>1256039880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are already using Mini's as servers, there are co-lo's that offer Mac Mini's as "servers". Others are using them as display servers for overhead screens in their commandcenter with their OS X based system.(saw an article somewhere about some police command center that used a OS X based system)<br>So there is many places where you already can find racks of Mac Minis today so I'd say there is a demand for server minis with RAID disks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are already using Mini 's as servers , there are co-lo 's that offer Mac Mini 's as " servers " .
Others are using them as display servers for overhead screens in their commandcenter with their OS X based system .
( saw an article somewhere about some police command center that used a OS X based system ) So there is many places where you already can find racks of Mac Minis today so I 'd say there is a demand for server minis with RAID disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are already using Mini's as servers, there are co-lo's that offer Mac Mini's as "servers".
Others are using them as display servers for overhead screens in their commandcenter with their OS X based system.
(saw an article somewhere about some police command center that used a OS X based system)So there is many places where you already can find racks of Mac Minis today so I'd say there is a demand for server minis with RAID disks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817141</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>KillerBob</author>
	<datestamp>1256045340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>A caveat: the server does not have an optical drive (that's where they stuffed the other HD). Still a good deal, just not quite as good as on first glance.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's not actually that much of a hinderance. None of my servers have an optical drive, either. When I need to load something from CD, I have a USB Blu-Ray drive that I can cannibalize from my HTPC for the purpose.</p><p>I can see a definite market for this, too. I built a super-server a year and a half ago (you know the type, multipe physical CPU's representing 8 logical cores, 16GB of RAM, multiple terabytes of storage, running half a dozen virtual machines, each one having its own set of services, in order to present a complete framework, etc.), but other than that, the overwhelming majority of the servers I run/administrate would do just fine with Mac Mini hardware. They're small purpose-built servers whose primary design goal beyond its actual purpose is power efficiency. At home, for example, I have a small file server. It serves up MP3's and videos to my HTPCs. It also has a network share drive for saving/sharing documents between computers on the network. Beyond that, it's also got a small MySQL/Apache/PHP implementation, and I use it to test web pages when I'm designing them... I just save/work on the files on the appropriate folder on the network drive, and they're live to the internal network immediately. This system is low end... aside from the hard drive (which is as big as I could get in the system), it's running a Via C7 1.5GHz, with 2GB of RAM. I could very easily replace that system with a Mac Mini.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A caveat : the server does not have an optical drive ( that 's where they stuffed the other HD ) .
Still a good deal , just not quite as good as on first glance.That 's not actually that much of a hinderance .
None of my servers have an optical drive , either .
When I need to load something from CD , I have a USB Blu-Ray drive that I can cannibalize from my HTPC for the purpose.I can see a definite market for this , too .
I built a super-server a year and a half ago ( you know the type , multipe physical CPU 's representing 8 logical cores , 16GB of RAM , multiple terabytes of storage , running half a dozen virtual machines , each one having its own set of services , in order to present a complete framework , etc .
) , but other than that , the overwhelming majority of the servers I run/administrate would do just fine with Mac Mini hardware .
They 're small purpose-built servers whose primary design goal beyond its actual purpose is power efficiency .
At home , for example , I have a small file server .
It serves up MP3 's and videos to my HTPCs .
It also has a network share drive for saving/sharing documents between computers on the network .
Beyond that , it 's also got a small MySQL/Apache/PHP implementation , and I use it to test web pages when I 'm designing them... I just save/work on the files on the appropriate folder on the network drive , and they 're live to the internal network immediately .
This system is low end... aside from the hard drive ( which is as big as I could get in the system ) , it 's running a Via C7 1.5GHz , with 2GB of RAM .
I could very easily replace that system with a Mac Mini .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A caveat: the server does not have an optical drive (that's where they stuffed the other HD).
Still a good deal, just not quite as good as on first glance.That's not actually that much of a hinderance.
None of my servers have an optical drive, either.
When I need to load something from CD, I have a USB Blu-Ray drive that I can cannibalize from my HTPC for the purpose.I can see a definite market for this, too.
I built a super-server a year and a half ago (you know the type, multipe physical CPU's representing 8 logical cores, 16GB of RAM, multiple terabytes of storage, running half a dozen virtual machines, each one having its own set of services, in order to present a complete framework, etc.
), but other than that, the overwhelming majority of the servers I run/administrate would do just fine with Mac Mini hardware.
They're small purpose-built servers whose primary design goal beyond its actual purpose is power efficiency.
At home, for example, I have a small file server.
It serves up MP3's and videos to my HTPCs.
It also has a network share drive for saving/sharing documents between computers on the network.
Beyond that, it's also got a small MySQL/Apache/PHP implementation, and I use it to test web pages when I'm designing them... I just save/work on the files on the appropriate folder on the network drive, and they're live to the internal network immediately.
This system is low end... aside from the hard drive (which is as big as I could get in the system), it's running a Via C7 1.5GHz, with 2GB of RAM.
I could very easily replace that system with a Mac Mini.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814835</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1256034120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's about as easy as setting up Sendmail (or whatever your favorite MTA is) to do that on a Linux box. And you don't need OS X Server to do it, if you already know how to set up Sendmail. Just set it up to only accept connections from the copier's IP address, without requiring authentication, then have it forward mail to your real server.
</p><p>The difference is that you can't re-compile MSexchange on whatever Unix-like OS you prefer, even if you were willing to pay money to Redmond.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about as easy as setting up Sendmail ( or whatever your favorite MTA is ) to do that on a Linux box .
And you do n't need OS X Server to do it , if you already know how to set up Sendmail .
Just set it up to only accept connections from the copier 's IP address , without requiring authentication , then have it forward mail to your real server .
The difference is that you ca n't re-compile MSexchange on whatever Unix-like OS you prefer , even if you were willing to pay money to Redmond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about as easy as setting up Sendmail (or whatever your favorite MTA is) to do that on a Linux box.
And you don't need OS X Server to do it, if you already know how to set up Sendmail.
Just set it up to only accept connections from the copier's IP address, without requiring authentication, then have it forward mail to your real server.
The difference is that you can't re-compile MSexchange on whatever Unix-like OS you prefer, even if you were willing to pay money to Redmond.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29833053</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256207520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you heard of 802.1q?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you heard of 802.1q ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you heard of 802.1q?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814229</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>GlassHeart</author>
	<datestamp>1256032200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, because its small size and quiet operation are purely aesthetic features. I hope you realize that this makes a competent source control and/or build server for a small development team, such as one that builds iPhone apps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because its small size and quiet operation are purely aesthetic features .
I hope you realize that this makes a competent source control and/or build server for a small development team , such as one that builds iPhone apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because its small size and quiet operation are purely aesthetic features.
I hope you realize that this makes a competent source control and/or build server for a small development team, such as one that builds iPhone apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29830835</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256133420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backup is easy too.</p><p>Just boot from an external HD, and make a bootable backup to a second partition on the external HD with software like Carbon Copy Cloner.<br>If the mini fails - then ANY mac in your network - as long as its Intel, will be able to become a backup server until its fixed.</p><p>I have been using a Mini running a 10 Client copy of 10.5 Server for a while.   Had I known this was going to come out I wouldn't have upgraded it two months ago.</p><p>I use it as a demo, running a website or two, controlling the home network and as an added benefit - as its a home network - I have a copy of iTunes running on Startup that can stream music to any other computer running iTunes in the house - or I can use my iPhone to start music playing to the Airport Express behind the TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backup is easy too.Just boot from an external HD , and make a bootable backup to a second partition on the external HD with software like Carbon Copy Cloner.If the mini fails - then ANY mac in your network - as long as its Intel , will be able to become a backup server until its fixed.I have been using a Mini running a 10 Client copy of 10.5 Server for a while .
Had I known this was going to come out I would n't have upgraded it two months ago.I use it as a demo , running a website or two , controlling the home network and as an added benefit - as its a home network - I have a copy of iTunes running on Startup that can stream music to any other computer running iTunes in the house - or I can use my iPhone to start music playing to the Airport Express behind the TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backup is easy too.Just boot from an external HD, and make a bootable backup to a second partition on the external HD with software like Carbon Copy Cloner.If the mini fails - then ANY mac in your network - as long as its Intel, will be able to become a backup server until its fixed.I have been using a Mini running a 10 Client copy of 10.5 Server for a while.
Had I known this was going to come out I wouldn't have upgraded it two months ago.I use it as a demo, running a website or two, controlling the home network and as an added benefit - as its a home network - I have a copy of iTunes running on Startup that can stream music to any other computer running iTunes in the house - or I can use my iPhone to start music playing to the Airport Express behind the TV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816095</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>spazimodo</author>
	<datestamp>1256040000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless your small business gets free IT support, I'm not sure how you can claim Microsoft's offerings are overpriced. SBS retails at $600 with 5 CALs, OEM is cheaper. Service ends up being the major cost regardless of platform and much as it pains me to give props to Microsoft, SBS runs pretty darn well.</p><p>I would never run a Mac server at this point because it can't be virtualized. For a small business virtualization is a godsend (your server is no longer tied to a particular piece of hardware.) The fact that Apple is still obsessed with their sexy hardware suggests to me that they're about to miss the biggest change in IT in quite a while.</p><p>Now a small server appliance that's simply a bridge to "Other People's Servers" (i.e. cloud computing hype) and you have something - that may be the direction they'll go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless your small business gets free IT support , I 'm not sure how you can claim Microsoft 's offerings are overpriced .
SBS retails at $ 600 with 5 CALs , OEM is cheaper .
Service ends up being the major cost regardless of platform and much as it pains me to give props to Microsoft , SBS runs pretty darn well.I would never run a Mac server at this point because it ca n't be virtualized .
For a small business virtualization is a godsend ( your server is no longer tied to a particular piece of hardware .
) The fact that Apple is still obsessed with their sexy hardware suggests to me that they 're about to miss the biggest change in IT in quite a while.Now a small server appliance that 's simply a bridge to " Other People 's Servers " ( i.e .
cloud computing hype ) and you have something - that may be the direction they 'll go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless your small business gets free IT support, I'm not sure how you can claim Microsoft's offerings are overpriced.
SBS retails at $600 with 5 CALs, OEM is cheaper.
Service ends up being the major cost regardless of platform and much as it pains me to give props to Microsoft, SBS runs pretty darn well.I would never run a Mac server at this point because it can't be virtualized.
For a small business virtualization is a godsend (your server is no longer tied to a particular piece of hardware.
) The fact that Apple is still obsessed with their sexy hardware suggests to me that they're about to miss the biggest change in IT in quite a while.Now a small server appliance that's simply a bridge to "Other People's Servers" (i.e.
cloud computing hype) and you have something - that may be the direction they'll go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814651</id>
	<title>Why scoff at calling this a server?</title>
	<author>Britz</author>
	<datestamp>1256033460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This Mac mini has more power than most servers had a couple years ago. Is a HTPC serving all your multimedia needs in your home (mp3s, videos, pictures) a server, or do you also need to use it as a file server? Microsoft has been advertising the concept of a home server for a couple years. What is blurred here?<br>I got a 10 year old dsl router from ebay for 5 bucks to use as a print server. 10 of those things would have less computing power than my last cellphone (my current one actually has the same computing power as my last computer). And I call it a server.</p><p>Has the guy who wrote this ever typed anything into a command line?</p><p>However, with the robust capabilities of my butt I will surely find a niche on my couch...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This Mac mini has more power than most servers had a couple years ago .
Is a HTPC serving all your multimedia needs in your home ( mp3s , videos , pictures ) a server , or do you also need to use it as a file server ?
Microsoft has been advertising the concept of a home server for a couple years .
What is blurred here ? I got a 10 year old dsl router from ebay for 5 bucks to use as a print server .
10 of those things would have less computing power than my last cellphone ( my current one actually has the same computing power as my last computer ) .
And I call it a server.Has the guy who wrote this ever typed anything into a command line ? However , with the robust capabilities of my butt I will surely find a niche on my couch.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This Mac mini has more power than most servers had a couple years ago.
Is a HTPC serving all your multimedia needs in your home (mp3s, videos, pictures) a server, or do you also need to use it as a file server?
Microsoft has been advertising the concept of a home server for a couple years.
What is blurred here?I got a 10 year old dsl router from ebay for 5 bucks to use as a print server.
10 of those things would have less computing power than my last cellphone (my current one actually has the same computing power as my last computer).
And I call it a server.Has the guy who wrote this ever typed anything into a command line?However, with the robust capabilities of my butt I will surely find a niche on my couch...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814211</id>
	<title>Great Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256032140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the idea of a Mac Mini server for many tasks. If you just need a server for directory, file, and print stuff, this is a damn good idea, especially if you're constrained for space. Even if you're not, most small offices don't have huge IT setups... many just use a business-grade cable or DSL connection with a small router. This is the perfect kind of server for that kind of small office setup. I don't think Apple anticipates anyone running heavy SQL on this or anything. This is also a good way to test the waters to see how much of a market there really is for OSX Server. Bravo to Apple on this one. It's a few more bucks than a PC equivalent (no surprise there), but a typically elegant-while-useful idea that Apple is sometimes famous for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the idea of a Mac Mini server for many tasks .
If you just need a server for directory , file , and print stuff , this is a damn good idea , especially if you 're constrained for space .
Even if you 're not , most small offices do n't have huge IT setups... many just use a business-grade cable or DSL connection with a small router .
This is the perfect kind of server for that kind of small office setup .
I do n't think Apple anticipates anyone running heavy SQL on this or anything .
This is also a good way to test the waters to see how much of a market there really is for OSX Server .
Bravo to Apple on this one .
It 's a few more bucks than a PC equivalent ( no surprise there ) , but a typically elegant-while-useful idea that Apple is sometimes famous for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the idea of a Mac Mini server for many tasks.
If you just need a server for directory, file, and print stuff, this is a damn good idea, especially if you're constrained for space.
Even if you're not, most small offices don't have huge IT setups... many just use a business-grade cable or DSL connection with a small router.
This is the perfect kind of server for that kind of small office setup.
I don't think Apple anticipates anyone running heavy SQL on this or anything.
This is also a good way to test the waters to see how much of a market there really is for OSX Server.
Bravo to Apple on this one.
It's a few more bucks than a PC equivalent (no surprise there), but a typically elegant-while-useful idea that Apple is sometimes famous for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29824187</id>
	<title>yep, put a few resistors on a halogen psu ...</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1256143740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, just hook it up on any high performance halogen psu with a few resistors in serie<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any happening accidents!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , just hook it up on any high performance halogen psu with a few resistors in serie ...disclaimer : I 'm not responsible for any happening accidents !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, just hook it up on any high performance halogen psu with a few resistors in serie ...disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any happening accidents!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814423</id>
	<title>I've done this for years....</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256032740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I put OS 10.4-Server (10-Client version) on a Mac Mini back in 2006 and continued to pick up used mac minis for less than $200 each to play around with Xgrid.  Eventually I moved the server over to an old dual core PowerMac G4 tower and used all the Mac Minis as render nodes, but it was a fun little project and worked extremely well for rendering blender, compressor, and Final Cut projects.  I even put screamernet II on them for lightwave rendering as well.  I had about $4500 invested in the project, the price of a decent Macpro, and had a distributed rendering grid.</p><p>With the release of some tools like Xgrid Lite, there wasn't the need to go with the full blown Server version of OSX in OS 10.5 or 10.6. Everything I needed could be downloaded with the xserve remote admin kit and a default install of OSX.</p><p>But for the year or more I used the Mac Mini as a home server, it worked extremely well.  It just sat on the bookshelf and frankly I just ignored it 90\% of the time because it did exactly what it needed.  I'd log in every month or so to do updates, etc. But it was pretty much turn on and forget.  Plus it didn't suck down as much power as the PowerMac.  Something I learned once I moved out of an apartment with the utilities included and into my house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I put OS 10.4-Server ( 10-Client version ) on a Mac Mini back in 2006 and continued to pick up used mac minis for less than $ 200 each to play around with Xgrid .
Eventually I moved the server over to an old dual core PowerMac G4 tower and used all the Mac Minis as render nodes , but it was a fun little project and worked extremely well for rendering blender , compressor , and Final Cut projects .
I even put screamernet II on them for lightwave rendering as well .
I had about $ 4500 invested in the project , the price of a decent Macpro , and had a distributed rendering grid.With the release of some tools like Xgrid Lite , there was n't the need to go with the full blown Server version of OSX in OS 10.5 or 10.6 .
Everything I needed could be downloaded with the xserve remote admin kit and a default install of OSX.But for the year or more I used the Mac Mini as a home server , it worked extremely well .
It just sat on the bookshelf and frankly I just ignored it 90 \ % of the time because it did exactly what it needed .
I 'd log in every month or so to do updates , etc .
But it was pretty much turn on and forget .
Plus it did n't suck down as much power as the PowerMac .
Something I learned once I moved out of an apartment with the utilities included and into my house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put OS 10.4-Server (10-Client version) on a Mac Mini back in 2006 and continued to pick up used mac minis for less than $200 each to play around with Xgrid.
Eventually I moved the server over to an old dual core PowerMac G4 tower and used all the Mac Minis as render nodes, but it was a fun little project and worked extremely well for rendering blender, compressor, and Final Cut projects.
I even put screamernet II on them for lightwave rendering as well.
I had about $4500 invested in the project, the price of a decent Macpro, and had a distributed rendering grid.With the release of some tools like Xgrid Lite, there wasn't the need to go with the full blown Server version of OSX in OS 10.5 or 10.6.
Everything I needed could be downloaded with the xserve remote admin kit and a default install of OSX.But for the year or more I used the Mac Mini as a home server, it worked extremely well.
It just sat on the bookshelf and frankly I just ignored it 90\% of the time because it did exactly what it needed.
I'd log in every month or so to do updates, etc.
But it was pretty much turn on and forget.
Plus it didn't suck down as much power as the PowerMac.
Something I learned once I moved out of an apartment with the utilities included and into my house.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815891</id>
	<title>Open relay without helping spammers?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1256038800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't want to set up an open relay unless you want to help spammers. You want to set up an IP-address-authenticated relay. Instead of using SMTP AUTH, allow only approved IP addresses to relay mail, and then only to approved recipients. Then your DHCP server would detect your scanner's MAC address and give it an approved IP address. How would a spammer exploit that setup?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't want to set up an open relay unless you want to help spammers .
You want to set up an IP-address-authenticated relay .
Instead of using SMTP AUTH , allow only approved IP addresses to relay mail , and then only to approved recipients .
Then your DHCP server would detect your scanner 's MAC address and give it an approved IP address .
How would a spammer exploit that setup ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't want to set up an open relay unless you want to help spammers.
You want to set up an IP-address-authenticated relay.
Instead of using SMTP AUTH, allow only approved IP addresses to relay mail, and then only to approved recipients.
Then your DHCP server would detect your scanner's MAC address and give it an approved IP address.
How would a spammer exploit that setup?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821137</id>
	<title>Re:Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1256124660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>netboot, boot from firewire, boot from USB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>netboot , boot from firewire , boot from USB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>netboot, boot from firewire, boot from USB.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815535</id>
	<title>DC Power</title>
	<author>inio</author>
	<datestamp>1256037120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is interesting for people considering a DC-powered server room.  The Mini uses 18.5V DC with an external AC-DC converter.  No hardware modifications required to run off a DC supply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is interesting for people considering a DC-powered server room .
The Mini uses 18.5V DC with an external AC-DC converter .
No hardware modifications required to run off a DC supply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is interesting for people considering a DC-powered server room.
The Mini uses 18.5V DC with an external AC-DC converter.
No hardware modifications required to run off a DC supply.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817275</id>
	<title>Re:Only posers would scoff... (reply from OP)</title>
	<author>Toe, The</author>
	<datestamp>1256046000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked in IT for over a decade, and it's not my experience or lack thereof that made me say that some may scoff.</p><p>Some may. And will. A lot of IT people are very opinionated, particularly about what is and isn't "good enough" to qualify for their definitions.</p><p>Heck, a lot of IT people still don't take any Macs seriously at all (even now when they're Intel boxes running UNIX). I used to administer a room full of Macs providing a full suite of services to a corporation... and had people telling me I didn't have any *servers* because Macs are graphics machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked in IT for over a decade , and it 's not my experience or lack thereof that made me say that some may scoff.Some may .
And will .
A lot of IT people are very opinionated , particularly about what is and is n't " good enough " to qualify for their definitions.Heck , a lot of IT people still do n't take any Macs seriously at all ( even now when they 're Intel boxes running UNIX ) .
I used to administer a room full of Macs providing a full suite of services to a corporation... and had people telling me I did n't have any * servers * because Macs are graphics machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked in IT for over a decade, and it's not my experience or lack thereof that made me say that some may scoff.Some may.
And will.
A lot of IT people are very opinionated, particularly about what is and isn't "good enough" to qualify for their definitions.Heck, a lot of IT people still don't take any Macs seriously at all (even now when they're Intel boxes running UNIX).
I used to administer a room full of Macs providing a full suite of services to a corporation... and had people telling me I didn't have any *servers* because Macs are graphics machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814157</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Professional Photographers need massive server space as a photo have become 50 - 80 meg each</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Professional Photographers need massive server space as a photo have become 50 - 80 meg each</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Professional Photographers need massive server space as a photo have become 50 - 80 meg each
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814867</id>
	<title>Re:12.5mm drives? Teardown? DP audio?</title>
	<author>thogard</author>
	<datestamp>1256034180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Notice it has no CD slot?  I'm guessing they just stacked the disks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Notice it has no CD slot ?
I 'm guessing they just stacked the disks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Notice it has no CD slot?
I'm guessing they just stacked the disks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29834393</id>
	<title>Re:We've been using a Mac Mini as a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256221500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Liar liar pants on fire.<br>The first generation Mac Mini was PPC.<br>VMware does not run on PPC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Liar liar pants on fire.The first generation Mac Mini was PPC.VMware does not run on PPC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Liar liar pants on fire.The first generation Mac Mini was PPC.VMware does not run on PPC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815701</id>
	<title>Re:Only posers would scoff...</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1256037960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lets not forget, the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server' I was ever asked to admin.</p></div><p>That, or you're just really happy to see me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets not forget , the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server ' I was ever asked to admin.That , or you 're just really happy to see me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets not forget, the cell phone in my pocket is more powerful than the first 'server' I was ever asked to admin.That, or you're just really happy to see me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816907</id>
	<title>Cost?</title>
	<author>eav</author>
	<datestamp>1256044260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does cost/gig compare with other servers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does cost/gig compare with other servers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does cost/gig compare with other servers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821479</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>rinoid</author>
	<datestamp>1256128080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ability to utilize a remote CD/DVD drive for installation on a Mac without optical has been around for year or so... since the Air was released IIRC.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote\_Install\_Mac\_OS\_X" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote\_Install\_Mac\_OS\_X</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ability to utilize a remote CD/DVD drive for installation on a Mac without optical has been around for year or so... since the Air was released IIRC .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote \ _Install \ _Mac \ _OS \ _X [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ability to utilize a remote CD/DVD drive for installation on a Mac without optical has been around for year or so... since the Air was released IIRC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote\_Install\_Mac\_OS\_X [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815007</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1256034780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The enterprise Xerox stuff I've been managing for the last 4 years (2 leases so far, 2 different deploys) have all been able to do authenticated SMTP
</p><p>Thing is, most environments manage their SMTP by only allowing sends from certain IP spaces or hosts, at least insofar as I have seen.  Unless you're doing SMTP between LANs on the public internet from your scanner/copier/printer, I don't see how that'd be an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The enterprise Xerox stuff I 've been managing for the last 4 years ( 2 leases so far , 2 different deploys ) have all been able to do authenticated SMTP Thing is , most environments manage their SMTP by only allowing sends from certain IP spaces or hosts , at least insofar as I have seen .
Unless you 're doing SMTP between LANs on the public internet from your scanner/copier/printer , I do n't see how that 'd be an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The enterprise Xerox stuff I've been managing for the last 4 years (2 leases so far, 2 different deploys) have all been able to do authenticated SMTP
Thing is, most environments manage their SMTP by only allowing sends from certain IP spaces or hosts, at least insofar as I have seen.
Unless you're doing SMTP between LANs on the public internet from your scanner/copier/printer, I don't see how that'd be an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819341</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>initdeep</author>
	<datestamp>1256059260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually this would be the dell equivalent:<br><a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/desktops/desktop-studio-hybrid/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-studio-hybrid&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~ck=mn" title="dell.com">http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/desktops/desktop-studio-hybrid/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-studio-hybrid&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~ck=mn</a> [dell.com]</p><p>and i hacked one to hold two hdd's easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually this would be the dell equivalent : http : //www.dell.com/us/en/home/desktops/desktop-studio-hybrid/pd.aspx ? refid = desktop-studio-hybrid&amp;s = dhs&amp;cs = 19&amp; ~ ck = mn [ dell.com ] and i hacked one to hold two hdd 's easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually this would be the dell equivalent:http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/desktops/desktop-studio-hybrid/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-studio-hybrid&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=19&amp;~ck=mn [dell.com]and i hacked one to hold two hdd's easily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29833969</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1256218560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks.  For light server roles, the Atom CPU is fine.  Works for me!</p></div><p>NSLU2 works for me...and oh, GET OFF MY LAWN!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it , you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks .
For light server roles , the Atom CPU is fine .
Works for me ! NSLU2 works for me...and oh , GET OFF MY LAWN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to put Debian or Ubuntu on it, you might as well get an Asus Eee Box and save yourself several hundred bucks.
For light server roles, the Atom CPU is fine.
Works for me!NSLU2 works for me...and oh, GET OFF MY LAWN!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816191</id>
	<title>4 years late for me</title>
	<author>bussdriver</author>
	<datestamp>1256040480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I built 4 tiny quite capable servers from large lunch boxes and VIA EPIA. I crammed in a good intel server PCI board in there and ran it from 12V power bricks-- redundant too!  (its DC, just wire in parallel add diodes.)  I ran openBSD on them.  hardware SSL acceleration made up for the slower cpus; although, openBSD had issues with a freebsd nfs server not resovled until I retired them. PLENTY fast if you depend on NAS.  I wanted to use Apple's minis because they were great-- but only had 1 ethernet connection.  I might have used their OS...</p><p>Mini servers is a good idea!  totally overkill for many tasks... DNS, email, web server... if you have larger loads, then get a bigger box... or make a cluster that still uses less power; that is, if you care about heat and power usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I built 4 tiny quite capable servers from large lunch boxes and VIA EPIA .
I crammed in a good intel server PCI board in there and ran it from 12V power bricks-- redundant too !
( its DC , just wire in parallel add diodes .
) I ran openBSD on them .
hardware SSL acceleration made up for the slower cpus ; although , openBSD had issues with a freebsd nfs server not resovled until I retired them .
PLENTY fast if you depend on NAS .
I wanted to use Apple 's minis because they were great-- but only had 1 ethernet connection .
I might have used their OS...Mini servers is a good idea !
totally overkill for many tasks... DNS , email , web server... if you have larger loads , then get a bigger box... or make a cluster that still uses less power ; that is , if you care about heat and power usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built 4 tiny quite capable servers from large lunch boxes and VIA EPIA.
I crammed in a good intel server PCI board in there and ran it from 12V power bricks-- redundant too!
(its DC, just wire in parallel add diodes.
)  I ran openBSD on them.
hardware SSL acceleration made up for the slower cpus; although, openBSD had issues with a freebsd nfs server not resovled until I retired them.
PLENTY fast if you depend on NAS.
I wanted to use Apple's minis because they were great-- but only had 1 ethernet connection.
I might have used their OS...Mini servers is a good idea!
totally overkill for many tasks... DNS, email, web server... if you have larger loads, then get a bigger box... or make a cluster that still uses less power; that is, if you care about heat and power usage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815323</id>
	<title>And it will only cost...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256036040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your unborn child.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:3</p><p>Get a PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your unborn child .
: 3Get a PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your unborn child.
:3Get a PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814085</id>
	<title>*GASP* serve content from a Mac Mini?!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fkn hell. Yes, it's doable, you dumb, inefficient, wasteful "enterprise class" f****ts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fkn hell .
Yes , it 's doable , you dumb , inefficient , wasteful " enterprise class " f * * * * ts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fkn hell.
Yes, it's doable, you dumb, inefficient, wasteful "enterprise class" f****ts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814277</id>
	<title>Where'd they fit in that second drive?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1256032260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Answer - by not including the DVD drive in the box.</p><p>I think this could be a useful little box for most of the sorts of things people set up home servers to do. At least they are using the 5400rpm drives instead of the 4200rpm versions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer - by not including the DVD drive in the box.I think this could be a useful little box for most of the sorts of things people set up home servers to do .
At least they are using the 5400rpm drives instead of the 4200rpm versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer - by not including the DVD drive in the box.I think this could be a useful little box for most of the sorts of things people set up home servers to do.
At least they are using the 5400rpm drives instead of the 4200rpm versions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816337</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory quote in accordance with social norm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256041440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is a knife: http://www.erik.co.uk/ans/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is a knife : http : //www.erik.co.uk/ans/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is a knife: http://www.erik.co.uk/ans/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818853</id>
	<title>This is awesome and just what I need</title>
	<author>bikehorn</author>
	<datestamp>1256055540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>At my work this would be just ideal. We are a medium sized electrical contracting company(I am an electrician, not an IT person and we don't have one on staff, but there is a company on retainer should anything go wrong) with about 65 people on the payroll. At our office/warehouse we have one server that sits in a mess of wires and a variety of workstations. All our computers are aging Win XP machines which are clunky, occupy space and electrically inefficient. The server handles email, file serving, backups and maybe the website...I don't know if we host it ourselves or have it hosted elsewhere. In a year or two we are going to be due for an upgrade and due to as the level of dissatisfaction with Simply Accounting increases I feel tempted to suggest switching our office entirely to Macs running MoneyWorks Gold. We would retain one Windows computer to run our estimating and bidding software, Accubid and BidWinner Plus.
<br>
<br>
This mini server would complete the picture and do it without requiring a server closet...which is good because we don't have the room for one. We don't need or want massive processing power...we want compactness, reliability and energy efficiency. Our server is mounted on the wall of a warehouse room where we store large quantities of wiring, tools and other supplies, and as we are short on space this would be very welcome. I imagine the reduced frustration would increase our productivity and make management a lot easier without needing to call up the IT company all the time. We install a lot of renewable energy equipment so energy consciousness in our own office is something we pay attention to. People who scoff at this thing simply don't work with or see applications where this would be a perfect drop-in solution. Apple is once again offering something that nobody else is capable of and I am glad they have paid attention to something a lot of people need but cannot otherwise find. At my company Linux is not even remotely an option, so fanboys can go pound sand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At my work this would be just ideal .
We are a medium sized electrical contracting company ( I am an electrician , not an IT person and we do n't have one on staff , but there is a company on retainer should anything go wrong ) with about 65 people on the payroll .
At our office/warehouse we have one server that sits in a mess of wires and a variety of workstations .
All our computers are aging Win XP machines which are clunky , occupy space and electrically inefficient .
The server handles email , file serving , backups and maybe the website...I do n't know if we host it ourselves or have it hosted elsewhere .
In a year or two we are going to be due for an upgrade and due to as the level of dissatisfaction with Simply Accounting increases I feel tempted to suggest switching our office entirely to Macs running MoneyWorks Gold .
We would retain one Windows computer to run our estimating and bidding software , Accubid and BidWinner Plus .
This mini server would complete the picture and do it without requiring a server closet...which is good because we do n't have the room for one .
We do n't need or want massive processing power...we want compactness , reliability and energy efficiency .
Our server is mounted on the wall of a warehouse room where we store large quantities of wiring , tools and other supplies , and as we are short on space this would be very welcome .
I imagine the reduced frustration would increase our productivity and make management a lot easier without needing to call up the IT company all the time .
We install a lot of renewable energy equipment so energy consciousness in our own office is something we pay attention to .
People who scoff at this thing simply do n't work with or see applications where this would be a perfect drop-in solution .
Apple is once again offering something that nobody else is capable of and I am glad they have paid attention to something a lot of people need but can not otherwise find .
At my company Linux is not even remotely an option , so fanboys can go pound sand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my work this would be just ideal.
We are a medium sized electrical contracting company(I am an electrician, not an IT person and we don't have one on staff, but there is a company on retainer should anything go wrong) with about 65 people on the payroll.
At our office/warehouse we have one server that sits in a mess of wires and a variety of workstations.
All our computers are aging Win XP machines which are clunky, occupy space and electrically inefficient.
The server handles email, file serving, backups and maybe the website...I don't know if we host it ourselves or have it hosted elsewhere.
In a year or two we are going to be due for an upgrade and due to as the level of dissatisfaction with Simply Accounting increases I feel tempted to suggest switching our office entirely to Macs running MoneyWorks Gold.
We would retain one Windows computer to run our estimating and bidding software, Accubid and BidWinner Plus.
This mini server would complete the picture and do it without requiring a server closet...which is good because we don't have the room for one.
We don't need or want massive processing power...we want compactness, reliability and energy efficiency.
Our server is mounted on the wall of a warehouse room where we store large quantities of wiring, tools and other supplies, and as we are short on space this would be very welcome.
I imagine the reduced frustration would increase our productivity and make management a lot easier without needing to call up the IT company all the time.
We install a lot of renewable energy equipment so energy consciousness in our own office is something we pay attention to.
People who scoff at this thing simply don't work with or see applications where this would be a perfect drop-in solution.
Apple is once again offering something that nobody else is capable of and I am glad they have paid attention to something a lot of people need but cannot otherwise find.
At my company Linux is not even remotely an option, so fanboys can go pound sand.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819301</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256059020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone forgets about shared calendaring.  I mean, it took years for affordable shared calendaring to come to linux and that only because Apple's Darwin Calendar Server is an open source project, it has been only about a year since DCS has been in repositories.  Even still, configing DCS on a linux box isn't as immediately accessible as setting it up with OS X Server.  For examples, see my homepage.  Anyway, hardware isn't the only consideration -- start you're comparison after setting up a system with MS server products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone forgets about shared calendaring .
I mean , it took years for affordable shared calendaring to come to linux and that only because Apple 's Darwin Calendar Server is an open source project , it has been only about a year since DCS has been in repositories .
Even still , configing DCS on a linux box is n't as immediately accessible as setting it up with OS X Server .
For examples , see my homepage .
Anyway , hardware is n't the only consideration -- start you 're comparison after setting up a system with MS server products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone forgets about shared calendaring.
I mean, it took years for affordable shared calendaring to come to linux and that only because Apple's Darwin Calendar Server is an open source project, it has been only about a year since DCS has been in repositories.
Even still, configing DCS on a linux box isn't as immediately accessible as setting it up with OS X Server.
For examples, see my homepage.
Anyway, hardware isn't the only consideration -- start you're comparison after setting up a system with MS server products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29824169</id>
	<title>This is a great product</title>
	<author>SoulRider</author>
	<datestamp>1256143620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its a perfect server for a small office (say 5-10 people) or as a home server. Heck cluster a few and they would make a nice render farm for a smaller design studio or advertising firm.  I doubt I would try to run a fortune 500 company off of a farm of these though.  But my guess is Apple going for the low cost solution for consumers and small businesses with this anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its a perfect server for a small office ( say 5-10 people ) or as a home server .
Heck cluster a few and they would make a nice render farm for a smaller design studio or advertising firm .
I doubt I would try to run a fortune 500 company off of a farm of these though .
But my guess is Apple going for the low cost solution for consumers and small businesses with this anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its a perfect server for a small office (say 5-10 people) or as a home server.
Heck cluster a few and they would make a nice render farm for a smaller design studio or advertising firm.
I doubt I would try to run a fortune 500 company off of a farm of these though.
But my guess is Apple going for the low cost solution for consumers and small businesses with this anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815821</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...or you could buy a PC with linux and have the same thing for under $600</htmltext>
<tokenext>...or you could buy a PC with linux and have the same thing for under $ 600</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or you could buy a PC with linux and have the same thing for under $600</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814023</id>
	<title>I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Especially if you have other Macs in your office, you can leave OS X on it and have a nice little small office server. You could also throw Debian or Ubuntu on it and use it as you see fit.<br> <br>

The small form factor would make it easy for a developer to keep one on the (literal) desktop alongside a workstation. Personally, I'd use virtualization instead, but others may prefer having a physical box to play with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially if you have other Macs in your office , you can leave OS X on it and have a nice little small office server .
You could also throw Debian or Ubuntu on it and use it as you see fit .
The small form factor would make it easy for a developer to keep one on the ( literal ) desktop alongside a workstation .
Personally , I 'd use virtualization instead , but others may prefer having a physical box to play with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially if you have other Macs in your office, you can leave OS X on it and have a nice little small office server.
You could also throw Debian or Ubuntu on it and use it as you see fit.
The small form factor would make it easy for a developer to keep one on the (literal) desktop alongside a workstation.
Personally, I'd use virtualization instead, but others may prefer having a physical box to play with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815083</id>
	<title>Re:Snow Leopard is not a "true UNIX"</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1256035080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Score: -3 (Pedantic)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Score : -3 ( Pedantic )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Score: -3 (Pedantic)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816845</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1256044020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, for those that want to fit 12 rather powerful, but cool machines into a 2U rack.  Even my most purpose built server's standards, 24 cores in 2U is fairly good going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , for those that want to fit 12 rather powerful , but cool machines into a 2U rack .
Even my most purpose built server 's standards , 24 cores in 2U is fairly good going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, for those that want to fit 12 rather powerful, but cool machines into a 2U rack.
Even my most purpose built server's standards, 24 cores in 2U is fairly good going.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814429</id>
	<title>Spammers everywhere...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256032740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...are thanking you for that question.<br> <br>
If these catch on, and are too easily left as open relays, we'll see shortly after a spike in development of botnet software for Snow Leopard.  Considering how many of these will likely be left on 24x7, they would be ideal mail relay zombies for botnet operators and spammers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...are thanking you for that question .
If these catch on , and are too easily left as open relays , we 'll see shortly after a spike in development of botnet software for Snow Leopard .
Considering how many of these will likely be left on 24x7 , they would be ideal mail relay zombies for botnet operators and spammers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...are thanking you for that question.
If these catch on, and are too easily left as open relays, we'll see shortly after a spike in development of botnet software for Snow Leopard.
Considering how many of these will likely be left on 24x7, they would be ideal mail relay zombies for botnet operators and spammers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820093</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>iamacat</author>
	<datestamp>1256067360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The purpose of RAID is to a) enable hot swapping of physically failed drives and b) enable higher read throughput than is provided by already decent individual drives. Neither of these purposes will be served here, as hot swapping would involve lots of security screw drivers and unsafe electric work and you don't go for performance with notebook drives. You could use RAID-0 if you envision a need for individual files greater than 500GB, but in this case you might as well get an external drive.</p><p>RAID is not very useful for backup, as it does not protect against malware, bugs and user errors. In addition, the remaining drive of a RAID array is much more likely to fail during rebuilding the mirror than at some random time as it has been through exactly the same usage pattern as the other drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The purpose of RAID is to a ) enable hot swapping of physically failed drives and b ) enable higher read throughput than is provided by already decent individual drives .
Neither of these purposes will be served here , as hot swapping would involve lots of security screw drivers and unsafe electric work and you do n't go for performance with notebook drives .
You could use RAID-0 if you envision a need for individual files greater than 500GB , but in this case you might as well get an external drive.RAID is not very useful for backup , as it does not protect against malware , bugs and user errors .
In addition , the remaining drive of a RAID array is much more likely to fail during rebuilding the mirror than at some random time as it has been through exactly the same usage pattern as the other drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The purpose of RAID is to a) enable hot swapping of physically failed drives and b) enable higher read throughput than is provided by already decent individual drives.
Neither of these purposes will be served here, as hot swapping would involve lots of security screw drivers and unsafe electric work and you don't go for performance with notebook drives.
You could use RAID-0 if you envision a need for individual files greater than 500GB, but in this case you might as well get an external drive.RAID is not very useful for backup, as it does not protect against malware, bugs and user errors.
In addition, the remaining drive of a RAID array is much more likely to fail during rebuilding the mirror than at some random time as it has been through exactly the same usage pattern as the other drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814047</id>
	<title>12.5mm drives? Teardown? DP audio?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really interested to see a teardown of this guy.</p><p>12.5mm 2.5" drives?</p><p>and waiting for DisplayPort audio to be enabled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really interested to see a teardown of this guy.12.5mm 2.5 " drives ? and waiting for DisplayPort audio to be enabled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really interested to see a teardown of this guy.12.5mm 2.5" drives?and waiting for DisplayPort audio to be enabled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815421</id>
	<title>Duck!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256036460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fanboys are here... and they have mod points!<br>
I've never seen so many posts going down to negative in such few seconds.<br>
Seriously, Let me ask again. Is this server, 'rackable'? How many Us? What rack mount standard does it follow?<br> <br>Yet they came and modded you down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fanboys are here... and they have mod points !
I 've never seen so many posts going down to negative in such few seconds .
Seriously , Let me ask again .
Is this server , 'rackable ' ?
How many Us ?
What rack mount standard does it follow ?
Yet they came and modded you down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fanboys are here... and they have mod points!
I've never seen so many posts going down to negative in such few seconds.
Seriously, Let me ask again.
Is this server, 'rackable'?
How many Us?
What rack mount standard does it follow?
Yet they came and modded you down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814029</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820637</id>
	<title>I was very excited but...</title>
	<author>swehack</author>
	<datestamp>1256118180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>then i noticed that instead of having two gigabit ethernet ports on a box that could act as an excellent router they chose to put in TWO ports for display options and FIVE usb ports.</p><p>Seems to me like they only took the Mac Mini chassis, put in new disk options and slapped on Mac OS X Server.</p><p>Also how will Xsan work with Xgrid when there's no fibre option?</p><p>Seems like clustering these would be awesome but i would also like a distributed filesystem to go with that, please.</p><p>Very cool idea and i would get one without hesitation if it had two gigabit ethernet ports. For clustering though i would prefer to have a fibre option too, even if it would jack up the price significantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>then i noticed that instead of having two gigabit ethernet ports on a box that could act as an excellent router they chose to put in TWO ports for display options and FIVE usb ports.Seems to me like they only took the Mac Mini chassis , put in new disk options and slapped on Mac OS X Server.Also how will Xsan work with Xgrid when there 's no fibre option ? Seems like clustering these would be awesome but i would also like a distributed filesystem to go with that , please.Very cool idea and i would get one without hesitation if it had two gigabit ethernet ports .
For clustering though i would prefer to have a fibre option too , even if it would jack up the price significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then i noticed that instead of having two gigabit ethernet ports on a box that could act as an excellent router they chose to put in TWO ports for display options and FIVE usb ports.Seems to me like they only took the Mac Mini chassis, put in new disk options and slapped on Mac OS X Server.Also how will Xsan work with Xgrid when there's no fibre option?Seems like clustering these would be awesome but i would also like a distributed filesystem to go with that, please.Very cool idea and i would get one without hesitation if it had two gigabit ethernet ports.
For clustering though i would prefer to have a fibre option too, even if it would jack up the price significantly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814975</id>
	<title>Without an optical drive ...</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1256034660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Um, without an optical drive, how would you update that machine or do a reinstall? Do you have to buy an external optical drive - and keyboard, mouse and monitor for that purpose? Login from another Apple machine? <p>It looks great and everything, but I'm a bit funny - I like to see how the practical things are done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , without an optical drive , how would you update that machine or do a reinstall ?
Do you have to buy an external optical drive - and keyboard , mouse and monitor for that purpose ?
Login from another Apple machine ?
It looks great and everything , but I 'm a bit funny - I like to see how the practical things are done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, without an optical drive, how would you update that machine or do a reinstall?
Do you have to buy an external optical drive - and keyboard, mouse and monitor for that purpose?
Login from another Apple machine?
It looks great and everything, but I'm a bit funny - I like to see how the practical things are done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821345</id>
	<title>Re:Duck!</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1256127060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The also-to-be-modded-down answer to that is "not natively" as in, there's no railkits or cable guides. You can of course dump them on plates, probably four in 2U, or maybe 8 in 3U, I'm not sure.<br><br>However, while 'rackmountable' is nice (no uncabling to open up a box is win), my main concern is the absense of dual power supplies and multiple, preferrably independent ethernet ports for bonding.<br><br>For a small business, this might be just the thing, but you're not putting them in *my* server room.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The also-to-be-modded-down answer to that is " not natively " as in , there 's no railkits or cable guides .
You can of course dump them on plates , probably four in 2U , or maybe 8 in 3U , I 'm not sure.However , while 'rackmountable ' is nice ( no uncabling to open up a box is win ) , my main concern is the absense of dual power supplies and multiple , preferrably independent ethernet ports for bonding.For a small business , this might be just the thing , but you 're not putting them in * my * server room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The also-to-be-modded-down answer to that is "not natively" as in, there's no railkits or cable guides.
You can of course dump them on plates, probably four in 2U, or maybe 8 in 3U, I'm not sure.However, while 'rackmountable' is nice (no uncabling to open up a box is win), my main concern is the absense of dual power supplies and multiple, preferrably independent ethernet ports for bonding.For a small business, this might be just the thing, but you're not putting them in *my* server room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816773</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>MojoStan</author>
	<datestamp>1256043720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And yet again, nothing headless in the mid-range</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>the idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I'm not interested in the iMacs.</p></div><p>I also dislike Apple's lack of choice in the mid-range (all-in-ones only), but the new 27-inch iMac lessens one major drawback a bit by adding a Mini DisplayPort <b>input</b> port. So that nice 27-inch display, which can have a longer useful life than the rest of the computer, can be re-used by another computer that can output a DisplayPort signal (DisplayPort outputs will probably be commonplace by then).
</p><p>
Note that converting from HDMI/DVI output to DisplayPort input requires a complicated adapter (unlike DisplayPort outputs).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet again , nothing headless in the mid-rangethe idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I 'm not interested in the iMacs.I also dislike Apple 's lack of choice in the mid-range ( all-in-ones only ) , but the new 27-inch iMac lessens one major drawback a bit by adding a Mini DisplayPort input port .
So that nice 27-inch display , which can have a longer useful life than the rest of the computer , can be re-used by another computer that can output a DisplayPort signal ( DisplayPort outputs will probably be commonplace by then ) .
Note that converting from HDMI/DVI output to DisplayPort input requires a complicated adapter ( unlike DisplayPort outputs ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet again, nothing headless in the mid-rangethe idea of paying to replace your monitor every time Apple make your old product obsolete sounds a little absurd to me - I'm not interested in the iMacs.I also dislike Apple's lack of choice in the mid-range (all-in-ones only), but the new 27-inch iMac lessens one major drawback a bit by adding a Mini DisplayPort input port.
So that nice 27-inch display, which can have a longer useful life than the rest of the computer, can be re-used by another computer that can output a DisplayPort signal (DisplayPort outputs will probably be commonplace by then).
Note that converting from HDMI/DVI output to DisplayPort input requires a complicated adapter (unlike DisplayPort outputs).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814181</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1256032020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Small offices might need that.  I have seen offices that are designed to look real slick. However there is a bulky PC as a server in the corner.  If you have a nice Mac Mini on a desk or behind a flat screen doing the work for the small office.  Hey it would be worth it  as for a small business your appearance is very important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Small offices might need that .
I have seen offices that are designed to look real slick .
However there is a bulky PC as a server in the corner .
If you have a nice Mac Mini on a desk or behind a flat screen doing the work for the small office .
Hey it would be worth it as for a small business your appearance is very important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Small offices might need that.
I have seen offices that are designed to look real slick.
However there is a bulky PC as a server in the corner.
If you have a nice Mac Mini on a desk or behind a flat screen doing the work for the small office.
Hey it would be worth it  as for a small business your appearance is very important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816855</id>
	<title>Mini Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256044080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember reading an article in the last year that suggested that the only reason why Apple was keeping the mini around was because admins were buying it up as a server solution (I think it may have been on Wired.com).  If so, it makes since that Apple is offering this built-in solution while still keeping it around for the small niche it fills in the consumer market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading an article in the last year that suggested that the only reason why Apple was keeping the mini around was because admins were buying it up as a server solution ( I think it may have been on Wired.com ) .
If so , it makes since that Apple is offering this built-in solution while still keeping it around for the small niche it fills in the consumer market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading an article in the last year that suggested that the only reason why Apple was keeping the mini around was because admins were buying it up as a server solution (I think it may have been on Wired.com).
If so, it makes since that Apple is offering this built-in solution while still keeping it around for the small niche it fills in the consumer market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814149</id>
	<title>Obligatory quote in accordance with social norms</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1256031900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not a knife.. THIS is a knife (pulling out Kabar-based server)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not a knife.. THIS is a knife ( pulling out Kabar-based server )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not a knife.. THIS is a knife (pulling out Kabar-based server)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29822847</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1256137080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services.</i>
</p><p>I'd rather have a dedicated firewall than one which is also used for data storage, personally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server , lets you set up firewalls , remote access and other public-side facing services .
I 'd rather have a dedicated firewall than one which is also used for data storage , personally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services.
I'd rather have a dedicated firewall than one which is also used for data storage, personally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814985</id>
	<title>Development server</title>
	<author>gilesjuk</author>
	<datestamp>1256034720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ideal for a development server for those wanting to get familiar with OSX Server.</p><p>There are a few openings for OSX Server skills, mainly in the iPhone operator arena as visual voicemail apparently is served from it (hence why only specific operators have the feature).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ideal for a development server for those wanting to get familiar with OSX Server.There are a few openings for OSX Server skills , mainly in the iPhone operator arena as visual voicemail apparently is served from it ( hence why only specific operators have the feature ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ideal for a development server for those wanting to get familiar with OSX Server.There are a few openings for OSX Server skills, mainly in the iPhone operator arena as visual voicemail apparently is served from it (hence why only specific operators have the feature).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819323</id>
	<title>I dunno... I'm interested</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1256059200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm like you - I love my Microsoft Intellimice, but this new magic mouse piques my interest. It's almost like a trackpad on top of a mouse. It looks like it will take some getting used to, but it's the first Apple mouse in forever that I'm curious to try.</p><p>I'm definitely going to replace my aging G4 tower (I was waiting for the quad core) with that shiny new 27" iMac, but I think I might wander over to the Apple store near my work and play with one of those mice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm like you - I love my Microsoft Intellimice , but this new magic mouse piques my interest .
It 's almost like a trackpad on top of a mouse .
It looks like it will take some getting used to , but it 's the first Apple mouse in forever that I 'm curious to try.I 'm definitely going to replace my aging G4 tower ( I was waiting for the quad core ) with that shiny new 27 " iMac , but I think I might wander over to the Apple store near my work and play with one of those mice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm like you - I love my Microsoft Intellimice, but this new magic mouse piques my interest.
It's almost like a trackpad on top of a mouse.
It looks like it will take some getting used to, but it's the first Apple mouse in forever that I'm curious to try.I'm definitely going to replace my aging G4 tower (I was waiting for the quad core) with that shiny new 27" iMac, but I think I might wander over to the Apple store near my work and play with one of those mice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818565</id>
	<title>Re:I've done this for years....</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1256053620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mine sits under my TV and acts as a file server, SSH box if I need to bounce something through it, VPN server if I don't want my e-mail traveling over public wifi or something and a PVR that records (over firewire) from the cable box then compresses to highdef h264, all scheduled by iCal events.  All while sipping power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mine sits under my TV and acts as a file server , SSH box if I need to bounce something through it , VPN server if I do n't want my e-mail traveling over public wifi or something and a PVR that records ( over firewire ) from the cable box then compresses to highdef h264 , all scheduled by iCal events .
All while sipping power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mine sits under my TV and acts as a file server, SSH box if I need to bounce something through it, VPN server if I don't want my e-mail traveling over public wifi or something and a PVR that records (over firewire) from the cable box then compresses to highdef h264, all scheduled by iCal events.
All while sipping power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814225</id>
	<title>A solution in search of a problem</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1256032140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing</p></div><p>
I have never in my experiences encountered that problem; someone who wanted a server but didn't want it to be set up by a knowledgable person - or even worse wanted to set it up themselves without knowing what they were doing.<br> <br>
I know I for one would never want to board an aircraft being piloted by someone with a similarly cavalier attitude towards working knowledge.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing I have never in my experiences encountered that problem ; someone who wanted a server but did n't want it to be set up by a knowledgable person - or even worse wanted to set it up themselves without knowing what they were doing .
I know I for one would never want to board an aircraft being piloted by someone with a similarly cavalier attitude towards working knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people can set up relatively sophisticated services without the assistance of someone who actually knows what they are doing
I have never in my experiences encountered that problem; someone who wanted a server but didn't want it to be set up by a knowledgable person - or even worse wanted to set it up themselves without knowing what they were doing.
I know I for one would never want to board an aircraft being piloted by someone with a similarly cavalier attitude towards working knowledge.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814317</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256032380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an admin on a mix mac/linux network(well, we do have to support 4 pcs, but only grudingly), I would say that Apple's tools are pretty nice, and have progressed immensely during the lifespan of Leopard(Tigers Open Directory was buggy as hell, Leopard has been pretty rock solid), the GUIs actually work really well UNTIL something goes wrong.  Then trying to wade through the mish-mash of manual configs vs. gui configs(not to mention you don't really know what the GUI is doing) trying to track down the problem is a real mess.<br> <br>
Overall, if you  want centralized logins at your mac-centric organization I would definitely recommend a Mac Server, largely because LDAP config on Linux still isn't quite as simple as it is on a mac, but for everything else(web, database, file shares etc.) I would go Linux.<br> <br>
The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box.  For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux  is pretty braindead simple.  Of course, that *other* OS still doesn't support NFs out of the box.  I mean, I guess you have to give them a little slack, the protocol is only 20 years old....</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an admin on a mix mac/linux network ( well , we do have to support 4 pcs , but only grudingly ) , I would say that Apple 's tools are pretty nice , and have progressed immensely during the lifespan of Leopard ( Tigers Open Directory was buggy as hell , Leopard has been pretty rock solid ) , the GUIs actually work really well UNTIL something goes wrong .
Then trying to wade through the mish-mash of manual configs vs. gui configs ( not to mention you do n't really know what the GUI is doing ) trying to track down the problem is a real mess .
Overall , if you want centralized logins at your mac-centric organization I would definitely recommend a Mac Server , largely because LDAP config on Linux still is n't quite as simple as it is on a mac , but for everything else ( web , database , file shares etc .
) I would go Linux .
The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box .
For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux is pretty braindead simple .
Of course , that * other * OS still does n't support NFs out of the box .
I mean , I guess you have to give them a little slack , the protocol is only 20 years old... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an admin on a mix mac/linux network(well, we do have to support 4 pcs, but only grudingly), I would say that Apple's tools are pretty nice, and have progressed immensely during the lifespan of Leopard(Tigers Open Directory was buggy as hell, Leopard has been pretty rock solid), the GUIs actually work really well UNTIL something goes wrong.
Then trying to wade through the mish-mash of manual configs vs. gui configs(not to mention you don't really know what the GUI is doing) trying to track down the problem is a real mess.
Overall, if you  want centralized logins at your mac-centric organization I would definitely recommend a Mac Server, largely because LDAP config on Linux still isn't quite as simple as it is on a mac, but for everything else(web, database, file shares etc.
) I would go Linux.
The nice thing about the mac clients is that they support most of these technologies out of the box.
For instance sharing NFS between macs and Linux  is pretty braindead simple.
Of course, that *other* OS still doesn't support NFs out of the box.
I mean, I guess you have to give them a little slack, the protocol is only 20 years old....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820829</id>
	<title>Re:We've been using a Mac Mini as a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256121060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Its wonderful. Never had a problem...</p></div><p>Your carrier seems to have dropped out there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its wonderful .
Never had a problem...Your carrier seems to have dropped out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its wonderful.
Never had a problem...Your carrier seems to have dropped out there.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816197</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256040540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on your requirements, afaict the eeebox only supports a single internal hard drive (and I don't think it has esata or firewire either so you are left with shitty USB if you want a second drive for raid). This new server mini supports two hard drives (the previous gen mini could also be hacked to support this but it's nice that apple have made it official). The mini also has a much better processor (which you say is not important to you, fair enough doesn't mean it isn't important to anyone)</p><p>In terms of bang per cubic centimeter the mac mini is pretty hard to beat.</p><p>As always there are trade-offs, the eeebox is small and cheap but not powerful. The mini is small and reasonably powerful but not particularly cheap. A bottom of the range dell vostro has a price comparable to the eeebox and specs comparable to the base model mini but isn't small.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on your requirements , afaict the eeebox only supports a single internal hard drive ( and I do n't think it has esata or firewire either so you are left with shitty USB if you want a second drive for raid ) .
This new server mini supports two hard drives ( the previous gen mini could also be hacked to support this but it 's nice that apple have made it official ) .
The mini also has a much better processor ( which you say is not important to you , fair enough does n't mean it is n't important to anyone ) In terms of bang per cubic centimeter the mac mini is pretty hard to beat.As always there are trade-offs , the eeebox is small and cheap but not powerful .
The mini is small and reasonably powerful but not particularly cheap .
A bottom of the range dell vostro has a price comparable to the eeebox and specs comparable to the base model mini but is n't small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on your requirements, afaict the eeebox only supports a single internal hard drive (and I don't think it has esata or firewire either so you are left with shitty USB if you want a second drive for raid).
This new server mini supports two hard drives (the previous gen mini could also be hacked to support this but it's nice that apple have made it official).
The mini also has a much better processor (which you say is not important to you, fair enough doesn't mean it isn't important to anyone)In terms of bang per cubic centimeter the mac mini is pretty hard to beat.As always there are trade-offs, the eeebox is small and cheap but not powerful.
The mini is small and reasonably powerful but not particularly cheap.
A bottom of the range dell vostro has a price comparable to the eeebox and specs comparable to the base model mini but isn't small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814221</id>
	<title>Welcome to the party...</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1256032140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh. Some of us already use boxes like this (or actual minis) in this sort of capacity.</p><p>Once you install a robust OS on a bit of hardware, the whole desktop/server distinction is entirely arbitrary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh .
Some of us already use boxes like this ( or actual minis ) in this sort of capacity.Once you install a robust OS on a bit of hardware , the whole desktop/server distinction is entirely arbitrary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh.
Some of us already use boxes like this (or actual minis) in this sort of capacity.Once you install a robust OS on a bit of hardware, the whole desktop/server distinction is entirely arbitrary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821861</id>
	<title>Re:Real shot is at Microsoft for small business...</title>
	<author>Deviant</author>
	<datestamp>1256131260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is one step ahead of you - price for Server 2008 R2 Foundation is ~$150 (only available OEM bundled with cheap new servers from Dell and HP) and is limited to 15 users/logins and has no CALs. Otherwise it is full Server 2008 with all the trimmings.<br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/foundation.aspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/foundation.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>Granted, if you go over that many users in AD it turns itself off apparently - but 15 users would cover the sort of office that would be going with this. Or a desktop running Linux. Somebody at Microsoft was thinking and wanted to protect their market in the lower end.</p><p>You know there are alternatives when MS makes Server 2008 R2 avail for 15\% it's normal price for =15 user shops...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is one step ahead of you - price for Server 2008 R2 Foundation is ~ $ 150 ( only available OEM bundled with cheap new servers from Dell and HP ) and is limited to 15 users/logins and has no CALs .
Otherwise it is full Server 2008 with all the trimmings.http : //www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/foundation.aspx [ microsoft.com ] Granted , if you go over that many users in AD it turns itself off apparently - but 15 users would cover the sort of office that would be going with this .
Or a desktop running Linux .
Somebody at Microsoft was thinking and wanted to protect their market in the lower end.You know there are alternatives when MS makes Server 2008 R2 avail for 15 \ % it 's normal price for = 15 user shops.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is one step ahead of you - price for Server 2008 R2 Foundation is ~$150 (only available OEM bundled with cheap new servers from Dell and HP) and is limited to 15 users/logins and has no CALs.
Otherwise it is full Server 2008 with all the trimmings.http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/foundation.aspx [microsoft.com]Granted, if you go over that many users in AD it turns itself off apparently - but 15 users would cover the sort of office that would be going with this.
Or a desktop running Linux.
Somebody at Microsoft was thinking and wanted to protect their market in the lower end.You know there are alternatives when MS makes Server 2008 R2 avail for 15\% it's normal price for =15 user shops...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816815</id>
	<title>I HATE the last mouse; this one however</title>
	<author>bussdriver</author>
	<datestamp>1256043900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This mouse is what I've wanted for YEARS now! Don't know about you, but I've wished for a trackpad stuck on a mouse for over a decade!</p><p>I HATE the previous apple mice... except the 90s ones-- they make good garage door openers.</p><p>I've got beyond the mouse button phase; in the late 90s I had a 6 button mouse and I had it set for multiple apps too. It was hard on my hand and didn't free me from heavy simultaneous keyboard use. Power users use the keyboard; I am perfectly fine just 1 button. I use the scroll wheels but i do not like to heavily use them. Most of the time I use the keyboard whenever it is possible to be productive.</p><p>The thinner the mouse the better as far as I'm concerned. I have a largely 1 cm high mouse now. I often use portable mice as well.  I use my fingers and minimize movement on my wrists; the large normal mice are too hard on my wrists; I also don't try to point moving my arm so my mice are really fast in the inch of space it moves within.</p><p>If this mouse clicks properly, I'll buy one-- if it works like the previous mouse then I'll have to hope they don't have a silly patent on the trackpad idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This mouse is what I 've wanted for YEARS now !
Do n't know about you , but I 've wished for a trackpad stuck on a mouse for over a decade ! I HATE the previous apple mice... except the 90s ones-- they make good garage door openers.I 've got beyond the mouse button phase ; in the late 90s I had a 6 button mouse and I had it set for multiple apps too .
It was hard on my hand and did n't free me from heavy simultaneous keyboard use .
Power users use the keyboard ; I am perfectly fine just 1 button .
I use the scroll wheels but i do not like to heavily use them .
Most of the time I use the keyboard whenever it is possible to be productive.The thinner the mouse the better as far as I 'm concerned .
I have a largely 1 cm high mouse now .
I often use portable mice as well .
I use my fingers and minimize movement on my wrists ; the large normal mice are too hard on my wrists ; I also do n't try to point moving my arm so my mice are really fast in the inch of space it moves within.If this mouse clicks properly , I 'll buy one-- if it works like the previous mouse then I 'll have to hope they do n't have a silly patent on the trackpad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This mouse is what I've wanted for YEARS now!
Don't know about you, but I've wished for a trackpad stuck on a mouse for over a decade!I HATE the previous apple mice... except the 90s ones-- they make good garage door openers.I've got beyond the mouse button phase; in the late 90s I had a 6 button mouse and I had it set for multiple apps too.
It was hard on my hand and didn't free me from heavy simultaneous keyboard use.
Power users use the keyboard; I am perfectly fine just 1 button.
I use the scroll wheels but i do not like to heavily use them.
Most of the time I use the keyboard whenever it is possible to be productive.The thinner the mouse the better as far as I'm concerned.
I have a largely 1 cm high mouse now.
I often use portable mice as well.
I use my fingers and minimize movement on my wrists; the large normal mice are too hard on my wrists; I also don't try to point moving my arm so my mice are really fast in the inch of space it moves within.If this mouse clicks properly, I'll buy one-- if it works like the previous mouse then I'll have to hope they don't have a silly patent on the trackpad idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29825017</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256147520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plug in a USB NIC?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plug in a USB NIC ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plug in a USB NIC?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814615</id>
	<title>Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1256033280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple continues their damned war against mouse buttons.</p><p>I have two Macs, and both of them have Microsoft's low end optical mouse connected... the best product Microsoft have put their name on since Xenix. I tried using the Mighty Mouse, and I've tried getting used to the two-finger tap on my Macbook Pro, and they just don't work for me. For example, I hold my mouse in three fingers, with two fingers resting on the buttons. I press with my middle or index finger, to click. On the Mighty Mouse this results in it being interpreted as a left click no matter which one I apply pressure with. On this mouse... who knows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple continues their damned war against mouse buttons.I have two Macs , and both of them have Microsoft 's low end optical mouse connected... the best product Microsoft have put their name on since Xenix .
I tried using the Mighty Mouse , and I 've tried getting used to the two-finger tap on my Macbook Pro , and they just do n't work for me .
For example , I hold my mouse in three fingers , with two fingers resting on the buttons .
I press with my middle or index finger , to click .
On the Mighty Mouse this results in it being interpreted as a left click no matter which one I apply pressure with .
On this mouse... who knows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple continues their damned war against mouse buttons.I have two Macs, and both of them have Microsoft's low end optical mouse connected... the best product Microsoft have put their name on since Xenix.
I tried using the Mighty Mouse, and I've tried getting used to the two-finger tap on my Macbook Pro, and they just don't work for me.
For example, I hold my mouse in three fingers, with two fingers resting on the buttons.
I press with my middle or index finger, to click.
On the Mighty Mouse this results in it being interpreted as a left click no matter which one I apply pressure with.
On this mouse... who knows?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814697</id>
	<title>Server Farm</title>
	<author>googlesmith123</author>
	<datestamp>1256033700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mac mini is already in use in server farms. Apparently it's size and low power consumption make it a good candidate in a server farm. Check it out yourself:<br> <br>http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/13019/Mac+Mini+Server+Farm.html</htmltext>
<tokenext>The mac mini is already in use in server farms .
Apparently it 's size and low power consumption make it a good candidate in a server farm .
Check it out yourself : http : //www.dannychoo.com/post/en/13019/Mac + Mini + Server + Farm.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mac mini is already in use in server farms.
Apparently it's size and low power consumption make it a good candidate in a server farm.
Check it out yourself: http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/13019/Mac+Mini+Server+Farm.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815795</id>
	<title>Re:Duck!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Seriously, Let me ask again. Is this server, 'rackable'? How many Us? What rack mount standard does it follow?"</i></p><p>Yes, 1U-macMini, macMini standards. Only an <b>IDIOT</b> (oops, sorry, that must be you) would think that this is designed for the conventional server rack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Seriously , Let me ask again .
Is this server , 'rackable ' ?
How many Us ?
What rack mount standard does it follow ?
" Yes , 1U-macMini , macMini standards .
Only an IDIOT ( oops , sorry , that must be you ) would think that this is designed for the conventional server rack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Seriously, Let me ask again.
Is this server, 'rackable'?
How many Us?
What rack mount standard does it follow?
"Yes, 1U-macMini, macMini standards.
Only an IDIOT (oops, sorry, that must be you) would think that this is designed for the conventional server rack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814245</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>jhfry</author>
	<datestamp>1256032200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am certainly no Mac fanboi... In fact my only Mac runs Linux.  But I can just imaging a simple plug-and-play file server that damn near sets itself up, has some redundancy, has built in monitoring and alerting, and hopefully integrates directly with Time Machine so that you can configure a simple backup system with versioning.</p><p>If this works as well as Apple's products have been known to do, it should save a lot of people a lot of headaches when it comes to backup and recovery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am certainly no Mac fanboi... In fact my only Mac runs Linux .
But I can just imaging a simple plug-and-play file server that damn near sets itself up , has some redundancy , has built in monitoring and alerting , and hopefully integrates directly with Time Machine so that you can configure a simple backup system with versioning.If this works as well as Apple 's products have been known to do , it should save a lot of people a lot of headaches when it comes to backup and recovery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am certainly no Mac fanboi... In fact my only Mac runs Linux.
But I can just imaging a simple plug-and-play file server that damn near sets itself up, has some redundancy, has built in monitoring and alerting, and hopefully integrates directly with Time Machine so that you can configure a simple backup system with versioning.If this works as well as Apple's products have been known to do, it should save a lot of people a lot of headaches when it comes to backup and recovery.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820293</id>
	<title>Re:We've been using a Mac Mini as a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256157000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess that by "first generation" you mean "second generation" ?  Otherwise, I'd like to know how to install and run VMWare on a G4 cpu !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that by " first generation " you mean " second generation " ?
Otherwise , I 'd like to know how to install and run VMWare on a G4 cpu !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that by "first generation" you mean "second generation" ?
Otherwise, I'd like to know how to install and run VMWare on a G4 cpu !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815817</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256038440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just don't see a use for this other than for artist types who already are drinking the Kool-Aid.  For less money someone can build a much more flexible piece of hardware, so the only real reason to buy this is for the OS.  I doubt if someone buying this for the trademark Apple "idiot proof" OS, that they are in a position to really be making server decisions anyway.  This will end up being something interesting for people who use Macs already and need a storage server or something, but probably not much more.</p><p>Look at what you are getting for about $1000 or more:<br>2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor<br>4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM<br>Dual 500GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drives</p><p>Not exactly impressive as anything more than a storage server or simple media server.  Might as well just build twice the machine for 1/2 the price yourself if you are knowledgeable enough to manage your own production server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't see a use for this other than for artist types who already are drinking the Kool-Aid .
For less money someone can build a much more flexible piece of hardware , so the only real reason to buy this is for the OS .
I doubt if someone buying this for the trademark Apple " idiot proof " OS , that they are in a position to really be making server decisions anyway .
This will end up being something interesting for people who use Macs already and need a storage server or something , but probably not much more.Look at what you are getting for about $ 1000 or more : 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor4GB ( two 2GB SO-DIMMs ) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAMDual 500GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drivesNot exactly impressive as anything more than a storage server or simple media server .
Might as well just build twice the machine for 1/2 the price yourself if you are knowledgeable enough to manage your own production server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't see a use for this other than for artist types who already are drinking the Kool-Aid.
For less money someone can build a much more flexible piece of hardware, so the only real reason to buy this is for the OS.
I doubt if someone buying this for the trademark Apple "idiot proof" OS, that they are in a position to really be making server decisions anyway.
This will end up being something interesting for people who use Macs already and need a storage server or something, but probably not much more.Look at what you are getting for about $1000 or more:2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAMDual 500GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drivesNot exactly impressive as anything more than a storage server or simple media server.
Might as well just build twice the machine for 1/2 the price yourself if you are knowledgeable enough to manage your own production server.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819457</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1256060220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services. </i></p><p>Odds are most small offices can't max out their Internet connection with 802.11n.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server , lets you set up firewalls , remote access and other public-side facing services .
Odds are most small offices ca n't max out their Internet connection with 802.11n .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dual ethernet is pretty much a standard feature for a small office server, lets you set up firewalls, remote access and other public-side facing services.
Odds are most small offices can't max out their Internet connection with 802.11n.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815395</id>
	<title>Zero-button mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256036340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People always joked about it.  Here it is.  And it isn't even April yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People always joked about it .
Here it is .
And it is n't even April yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People always joked about it.
Here it is.
And it isn't even April yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814153</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256031900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are other factors worth considering....  low power usage, form factor (you cram a lot of these in a rack), its backed by a large company.  Even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS, its the best choice because Dell and HP don't have comparable offerings</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are other factors worth considering.... low power usage , form factor ( you cram a lot of these in a rack ) , its backed by a large company .
Even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS , its the best choice because Dell and HP do n't have comparable offerings</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are other factors worth considering....  low power usage, form factor (you cram a lot of these in a rack), its backed by a large company.
Even if you plan to run BSD or Linux as your OS, its the best choice because Dell and HP don't have comparable offerings</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814029</id>
	<title>For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1256031600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>that focuses primarily on the visual aesthetics of the physical box that it's housed in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that focuses primarily on the visual aesthetics of the physical box that it 's housed in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that focuses primarily on the visual aesthetics of the physical box that it's housed in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814467</id>
	<title>Apple &amp; BTO are frenemies</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1256032860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, they don't give you the option to use the slower CPU with the mini server option, or give you the option to use SSDs. I'd also like to see an eSATA port and a 2nd ethernet port, for the server build, anyway. Perhaps an Xserve mini? It'll be interesting to see these once they're updated with Core i5/i7 processors. At least they have decent discrete graphics now. Are the CPUs still soldered in, though?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , they do n't give you the option to use the slower CPU with the mini server option , or give you the option to use SSDs .
I 'd also like to see an eSATA port and a 2nd ethernet port , for the server build , anyway .
Perhaps an Xserve mini ?
It 'll be interesting to see these once they 're updated with Core i5/i7 processors .
At least they have decent discrete graphics now .
Are the CPUs still soldered in , though ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, they don't give you the option to use the slower CPU with the mini server option, or give you the option to use SSDs.
I'd also like to see an eSATA port and a 2nd ethernet port, for the server build, anyway.
Perhaps an Xserve mini?
It'll be interesting to see these once they're updated with Core i5/i7 processors.
At least they have decent discrete graphics now.
Are the CPUs still soldered in, though?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820089</id>
	<title>server class?</title>
	<author>spiracle</author>
	<datestamp>1256067300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does it have any server-class hardware?  e.g. ECC ram?  If not, it shouldn't really be called a server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it have any server-class hardware ?
e.g. ECC ram ?
If not , it should n't really be called a server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it have any server-class hardware?
e.g. ECC ram?
If not, it shouldn't really be called a server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817987</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>clf8</author>
	<datestamp>1256050260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, with the 27" iMac you can actually use that as an external monitor.  So, you could get yourself an iMac and use it until it's obsolete, then use it merely as a display.  Not quite sure if/how you would switch between internal/external source (maybe a KVM switch could work), but you could then turn the iMac into a server when you upgrade to whatever next.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , with the 27 " iMac you can actually use that as an external monitor .
So , you could get yourself an iMac and use it until it 's obsolete , then use it merely as a display .
Not quite sure if/how you would switch between internal/external source ( maybe a KVM switch could work ) , but you could then turn the iMac into a server when you upgrade to whatever next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, with the 27" iMac you can actually use that as an external monitor.
So, you could get yourself an iMac and use it until it's obsolete, then use it merely as a display.
Not quite sure if/how you would switch between internal/external source (maybe a KVM switch could work), but you could then turn the iMac into a server when you upgrade to whatever next.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817729</id>
	<title>Old news to those who know</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1256048580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple did not do this because they are trying to gain new customers.  They did it because existing Apple customers already have been doing this for a long time.</p><p>Putting OSX Server onto little Mac Minis has been going on for a long time.  People strap them to the back of plasma TVs, use them in point-of-sale, put them in kiosk boxes that use a modem for remote administration, or use them for a test server on their desk.  Let's face it, I don't want to put a rack mount 1U XServe on my desk when I could just use a Mac Mini and basically get the same software features on much MUCH cheaper hardware.</p><p>That is why people want OSX Server on the Mac Mini;  dev/testing, kiosks, and other rough-environment deployments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple did not do this because they are trying to gain new customers .
They did it because existing Apple customers already have been doing this for a long time.Putting OSX Server onto little Mac Minis has been going on for a long time .
People strap them to the back of plasma TVs , use them in point-of-sale , put them in kiosk boxes that use a modem for remote administration , or use them for a test server on their desk .
Let 's face it , I do n't want to put a rack mount 1U XServe on my desk when I could just use a Mac Mini and basically get the same software features on much MUCH cheaper hardware.That is why people want OSX Server on the Mac Mini ; dev/testing , kiosks , and other rough-environment deployments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple did not do this because they are trying to gain new customers.
They did it because existing Apple customers already have been doing this for a long time.Putting OSX Server onto little Mac Minis has been going on for a long time.
People strap them to the back of plasma TVs, use them in point-of-sale, put them in kiosk boxes that use a modem for remote administration, or use them for a test server on their desk.
Let's face it, I don't want to put a rack mount 1U XServe on my desk when I could just use a Mac Mini and basically get the same software features on much MUCH cheaper hardware.That is why people want OSX Server on the Mac Mini;  dev/testing, kiosks, and other rough-environment deployments.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29820925</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1256122140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In that format, they're close to build price - I want a small, portable server that can be moved around easily if we have to change offices/apartment/studios again as happens a lot and that I can keep an eye on - I also like having a low power footprint. And I like not paying for colo for something that spends half its time being a mailbox.</p><p>The two hard drives cost about 120$ each. This motherboard for slightly bigger (one inch) is about 150, the cpu goes from 100 to 200 depending on whether I go for regular c2d or c2d mobile - I'd rather go with the second. RAM, Wifi, Bluetooth add about 100-200. And then money for a case, power, etc, which in mini-itx formats seems like this package could run 150-ish. I have long build part lists because I want to do light and low-power, and the mac mini was always the computer I built against because it's easy to go over when you're shopping for mini-itx sized parts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In that format , they 're close to build price - I want a small , portable server that can be moved around easily if we have to change offices/apartment/studios again as happens a lot and that I can keep an eye on - I also like having a low power footprint .
And I like not paying for colo for something that spends half its time being a mailbox.The two hard drives cost about 120 $ each .
This motherboard for slightly bigger ( one inch ) is about 150 , the cpu goes from 100 to 200 depending on whether I go for regular c2d or c2d mobile - I 'd rather go with the second .
RAM , Wifi , Bluetooth add about 100-200 .
And then money for a case , power , etc , which in mini-itx formats seems like this package could run 150-ish .
I have long build part lists because I want to do light and low-power , and the mac mini was always the computer I built against because it 's easy to go over when you 're shopping for mini-itx sized parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that format, they're close to build price - I want a small, portable server that can be moved around easily if we have to change offices/apartment/studios again as happens a lot and that I can keep an eye on - I also like having a low power footprint.
And I like not paying for colo for something that spends half its time being a mailbox.The two hard drives cost about 120$ each.
This motherboard for slightly bigger (one inch) is about 150, the cpu goes from 100 to 200 depending on whether I go for regular c2d or c2d mobile - I'd rather go with the second.
RAM, Wifi, Bluetooth add about 100-200.
And then money for a case, power, etc, which in mini-itx formats seems like this package could run 150-ish.
I have long build part lists because I want to do light and low-power, and the mac mini was always the computer I built against because it's easy to go over when you're shopping for mini-itx sized parts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815003</id>
	<title>Re:Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1256034780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mouse sounds kind of cool and I hope it has PC support.  Perhaps the touch interface will be customizable so that you can configure the touch zones so it works like a normal 3 button mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mouse sounds kind of cool and I hope it has PC support .
Perhaps the touch interface will be customizable so that you can configure the touch zones so it works like a normal 3 button mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mouse sounds kind of cool and I hope it has PC support.
Perhaps the touch interface will be customizable so that you can configure the touch zones so it works like a normal 3 button mouse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29821077</id>
	<title>Re:2x500GB?</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256124000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there?</i><br>On the previous model it could be done with the right adaptors (you had to sacrifice the optical drive just like the server mini does) but it's a bit messy. Google "ifixit 1TB mini" for details. I suspect the new refresh of the desktop model will be the same (but we will have to wait until someone tears it down to know for sure).</p><p><i>A $599 Mac Mini + $100 drive seems like a better deal than a $999 Mac Mini.</i><br>The $599 mini only comes with a 160GB hard drive though, it also comes with a slower processor and less ram. If you compare the server model to the desktop model with the 500GB drive and the same processor and ram it's only $100 more.</p><p><i>Why not 640GB of 750GB drives? Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $300.</i><br>I'm pretty sure the mini needs 2.5 inch 9.5mm high drives (though I haven't seen anyone tear down this new model yet). If i'm right that rules out the 750GB and 1TB drives. 640GB drives a possibility though afaict. I've noticed in general apple doesn't like to ship the biggest drives on the market, maybe they can't get them in sufficiant quantity or somthing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there ? On the previous model it could be done with the right adaptors ( you had to sacrifice the optical drive just like the server mini does ) but it 's a bit messy .
Google " ifixit 1TB mini " for details .
I suspect the new refresh of the desktop model will be the same ( but we will have to wait until someone tears it down to know for sure ) .A $ 599 Mac Mini + $ 100 drive seems like a better deal than a $ 999 Mac Mini.The $ 599 mini only comes with a 160GB hard drive though , it also comes with a slower processor and less ram .
If you compare the server model to the desktop model with the 500GB drive and the same processor and ram it 's only $ 100 more.Why not 640GB of 750GB drives ?
Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $ 300.I 'm pretty sure the mini needs 2.5 inch 9.5mm high drives ( though I have n't seen anyone tear down this new model yet ) .
If i 'm right that rules out the 750GB and 1TB drives .
640GB drives a possibility though afaict .
I 've noticed in general apple does n't like to ship the biggest drives on the market , maybe they ca n't get them in sufficiant quantity or somthing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Question - anyone with the 1 hdd version of the new Mac Mini know if it is possible to mount a second drive in there?On the previous model it could be done with the right adaptors (you had to sacrifice the optical drive just like the server mini does) but it's a bit messy.
Google "ifixit 1TB mini" for details.
I suspect the new refresh of the desktop model will be the same (but we will have to wait until someone tears it down to know for sure).A $599 Mac Mini + $100 drive seems like a better deal than a $999 Mac Mini.The $599 mini only comes with a 160GB hard drive though, it also comes with a slower processor and less ram.
If you compare the server model to the desktop model with the 500GB drive and the same processor and ram it's only $100 more.Why not 640GB of 750GB drives?
Two 750GB drives can be had for a little over $300.I'm pretty sure the mini needs 2.5 inch 9.5mm high drives (though I haven't seen anyone tear down this new model yet).
If i'm right that rules out the 750GB and 1TB drives.
640GB drives a possibility though afaict.
I've noticed in general apple doesn't like to ship the biggest drives on the market, maybe they can't get them in sufficiant quantity or somthing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814569</id>
	<title>Unfortunately it only has one ethernet jack</title>
	<author>antifoidulus</author>
	<datestamp>1256033160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>which is probably the biggest thing wrong with the server machine.  A lot of servers that we run use both jacks that standard in all rackmountables.  I guess you could use the wifi or buy an ethernet USB dongle.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>which is probably the biggest thing wrong with the server machine .
A lot of servers that we run use both jacks that standard in all rackmountables .
I guess you could use the wifi or buy an ethernet USB dongle.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which is probably the biggest thing wrong with the server machine.
A lot of servers that we run use both jacks that standard in all rackmountables.
I guess you could use the wifi or buy an ethernet USB dongle.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814967</id>
	<title>Re:Snow Leopard is not a "true UNIX"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if apple hasn't gotten around to paying for some joke certification by some retarded company to make money, so be it.</p><p>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck... well, thats good enough for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if apple has n't gotten around to paying for some joke certification by some retarded company to make money , so be it.If it looks like a duck , swims like a duck... well , thats good enough for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if apple hasn't gotten around to paying for some joke certification by some retarded company to make money, so be it.If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck... well, thats good enough for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816981</id>
	<title>Re:How easy is it to set up an open relay mail ser</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256044560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same with our Xerox copiers.  I think the the OP has more issues that the Mac server is not going to resolve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same with our Xerox copiers .
I think the the OP has more issues that the Mac server is not going to resolve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same with our Xerox copiers.
I think the the OP has more issues that the Mac server is not going to resolve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819361</id>
	<title>Re:Dual NIC woulda been nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256059440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can add a usb ethernet port via macbook air...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can add a usb ethernet port via macbook air.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can add a usb ethernet port via macbook air...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816179</id>
	<title>Big deal - I've been doing this for years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256040420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see what the big deal is. I've been using a Mac Mini G4 as a server for more than 3 years. It doesn't even need X Server on it. Mine has been faithfully serving as a Apache HTTPD/PostgreSQL/Tomcat/Postfix/SFTP and music/file server just fine - and with only one HD too (which had to be replaced after 2 years) and only 1GB of RAM.  Sometimes I even hook up an external HD and have even MORE space available. Oh my!!</p><p>Mine just sits on a bookshelf, headless, and I use ARD as and if necessary. I'm an Apple fan, but there is no news on this one - I dunno why anyone could be excited about it, especially at the price. Go get a used Mini for less than half the cost and use it for the exact same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see what the big deal is .
I 've been using a Mac Mini G4 as a server for more than 3 years .
It does n't even need X Server on it .
Mine has been faithfully serving as a Apache HTTPD/PostgreSQL/Tomcat/Postfix/SFTP and music/file server just fine - and with only one HD too ( which had to be replaced after 2 years ) and only 1GB of RAM .
Sometimes I even hook up an external HD and have even MORE space available .
Oh my !
! Mine just sits on a bookshelf , headless , and I use ARD as and if necessary .
I 'm an Apple fan , but there is no news on this one - I dunno why anyone could be excited about it , especially at the price .
Go get a used Mini for less than half the cost and use it for the exact same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see what the big deal is.
I've been using a Mac Mini G4 as a server for more than 3 years.
It doesn't even need X Server on it.
Mine has been faithfully serving as a Apache HTTPD/PostgreSQL/Tomcat/Postfix/SFTP and music/file server just fine - and with only one HD too (which had to be replaced after 2 years) and only 1GB of RAM.
Sometimes I even hook up an external HD and have even MORE space available.
Oh my!
!Mine just sits on a bookshelf, headless, and I use ARD as and if necessary.
I'm an Apple fan, but there is no news on this one - I dunno why anyone could be excited about it, especially at the price.
Go get a used Mini for less than half the cost and use it for the exact same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815013</id>
	<title>Two hard drives "somehow stuffed" into it?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1256034780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[...] along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.</p></div></blockquote><p>What do you mean "somehow stuffed"? The Mac mini uses (and has always used) 2.5" drives. If you remove the optical drive there is enough room for two hard drives.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.What do you mean " somehow stuffed " ?
The Mac mini uses ( and has always used ) 2.5 " drives .
If you remove the optical drive there is enough room for two hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] along with a two hard drives somehow stuffed into the tiny package.What do you mean "somehow stuffed"?
The Mac mini uses (and has always used) 2.5" drives.
If you remove the optical drive there is enough room for two hard drives.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29817063</id>
	<title>Re:For those who need a server...</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1256044920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good luck with that - it'll cack from the heat in 6 months. Get a rack server in someone else's datacenter if you need density.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck with that - it 'll cack from the heat in 6 months .
Get a rack server in someone else 's datacenter if you need density .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck with that - it'll cack from the heat in 6 months.
Get a rack server in someone else's datacenter if you need density.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816003</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256039340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive, when OS X Server costs $500 on its own.</i><br>I think the server model is the only way to get the mini with two hard drives instead of an optical drive. I consider raid to be an important feature for servers (yes I know raid isn't perfect and shouldn't be used as a substitute for backup but realisitically there is a limit to how often backups will actually get done so it's good to have something to cover the time since the last one) so it may be worth it even if you don't plan to use the supplied OS.</p><p>I wonder how apple has done the second hard drive, unfortunately I can't seem to find a teardown of this machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $ 100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive , when OS X Server costs $ 500 on its own.I think the server model is the only way to get the mini with two hard drives instead of an optical drive .
I consider raid to be an important feature for servers ( yes I know raid is n't perfect and should n't be used as a substitute for backup but realisitically there is a limit to how often backups will actually get done so it 's good to have something to cover the time since the last one ) so it may be worth it even if you do n't plan to use the supplied OS.I wonder how apple has done the second hard drive , unfortunately I ca n't seem to find a teardown of this machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the value is that the Mac mini Server is only $100 more than the standard mini equipped with a single 500 GB drive, when OS X Server costs $500 on its own.I think the server model is the only way to get the mini with two hard drives instead of an optical drive.
I consider raid to be an important feature for servers (yes I know raid isn't perfect and shouldn't be used as a substitute for backup but realisitically there is a limit to how often backups will actually get done so it's good to have something to cover the time since the last one) so it may be worth it even if you don't plan to use the supplied OS.I wonder how apple has done the second hard drive, unfortunately I can't seem to find a teardown of this machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815689</id>
	<title>iTunes Media Server</title>
	<author>bachnit37</author>
	<datestamp>1256037960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me preface this by saying I am not an XServe genius.  So my question would be...  Can XServe act as an iTunes media server?  Could the kids access HandBraked DVD's on the AppleTV in the basement and the AppleTV in the living room?  Can I access my music in my study above the garage as well as the kitchen?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me preface this by saying I am not an XServe genius .
So my question would be... Can XServe act as an iTunes media server ?
Could the kids access HandBraked DVD 's on the AppleTV in the basement and the AppleTV in the living room ?
Can I access my music in my study above the garage as well as the kitchen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me preface this by saying I am not an XServe genius.
So my question would be...  Can XServe act as an iTunes media server?
Could the kids access HandBraked DVD's on the AppleTV in the basement and the AppleTV in the living room?
Can I access my music in my study above the garage as well as the kitchen?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814309</id>
	<title>Since when does size have anything to do with it?</title>
	<author>Max Romantschuk</author>
	<datestamp>1256032380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A server is not a physical manifestation. It's the services it provides that matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A server is not a physical manifestation .
It 's the services it provides that matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A server is not a physical manifestation.
It's the services it provides that matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816097</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256040000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to check your exchange rate.<br>The &pound; is worth a lot less now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to check your exchange rate.The   is worth a lot less now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to check your exchange rate.The £ is worth a lot less now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818419</id>
	<title>Re:Passive-aggressive mice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256052660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What bugs me more is not the fact that the mouse has only one "button", but rather that clicking the button appears to require one to lift the finger up to tap the mouse's touch-sentitive surface (rather than simply pressing down).</p><p>Not only does this gesture seem unnatural, but the lack of tactile feedback from the mouse button click is troubling. In effect, this mouse has all the disadvantages of a multitouch interface, but few of the advantages (pinching, rotating, etc.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What bugs me more is not the fact that the mouse has only one " button " , but rather that clicking the button appears to require one to lift the finger up to tap the mouse 's touch-sentitive surface ( rather than simply pressing down ) .Not only does this gesture seem unnatural , but the lack of tactile feedback from the mouse button click is troubling .
In effect , this mouse has all the disadvantages of a multitouch interface , but few of the advantages ( pinching , rotating , etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What bugs me more is not the fact that the mouse has only one "button", but rather that clicking the button appears to require one to lift the finger up to tap the mouse's touch-sentitive surface (rather than simply pressing down).Not only does this gesture seem unnatural, but the lack of tactile feedback from the mouse button click is troubling.
In effect, this mouse has all the disadvantages of a multitouch interface, but few of the advantages (pinching, rotating, etc.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815435</id>
	<title>Re:I can see plenty of uses for it.</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1256036520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it might possibly be worth it to you to spend the extra $100 just for the second hard drive.  On the other hand, I've never tried to install Debian on a mini without using the DVD drive, so I'm not sure how that would go.  Worst case scenario, you might have to use a USB key to install, but for all I know, Apple's support for booting from another computer's DVD drive might work with a non-Apple OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it might possibly be worth it to you to spend the extra $ 100 just for the second hard drive .
On the other hand , I 've never tried to install Debian on a mini without using the DVD drive , so I 'm not sure how that would go .
Worst case scenario , you might have to use a USB key to install , but for all I know , Apple 's support for booting from another computer 's DVD drive might work with a non-Apple OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it might possibly be worth it to you to spend the extra $100 just for the second hard drive.
On the other hand, I've never tried to install Debian on a mini without using the DVD drive, so I'm not sure how that would go.
Worst case scenario, you might have to use a USB key to install, but for all I know, Apple's support for booting from another computer's DVD drive might work with a non-Apple OS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29815513</id>
	<title>Core i3/i5 mini may come with suck build intel vid</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1256037000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Core i3/i5 mini may come with suck build intel video if they make one same thing for the $1200 imac. half the video speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Core i3/i5 mini may come with suck build intel video if they make one same thing for the $ 1200 imac .
half the video speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Core i3/i5 mini may come with suck build intel video if they make one same thing for the $1200 imac.
half the video speed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29814915</id>
	<title>Re:Bold claim...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256034360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be.  You should play with Snow Leopard Server.  The App Store (not in production yet) if flippin' amazing.  Need a fully managed Asterisk box?  Click...click click click.  Done.  No kidding.  Full mgt. interface integration and the whole ball of wax.  Same goes for all of your services (XMPP, video broadcast, IM, and so on...).  It is is SBSOHO dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be .
You should play with Snow Leopard Server .
The App Store ( not in production yet ) if flippin ' amazing .
Need a fully managed Asterisk box ?
Click...click click click .
Done. No kidding .
Full mgt .
interface integration and the whole ball of wax .
Same goes for all of your services ( XMPP , video broadcast , IM , and so on... ) .
It is is SBSOHO dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be.
You should play with Snow Leopard Server.
The App Store (not in production yet) if flippin' amazing.
Need a fully managed Asterisk box?
Click...click click click.
Done.  No kidding.
Full mgt.
interface integration and the whole ball of wax.
Same goes for all of your services (XMPP, video broadcast, IM, and so on...).
It is is SBSOHO dream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819495</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>RESPAWN</author>
	<datestamp>1256060580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A &pound;800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people.</i></p><p>That it would.  Although those aren't the people that Apple are looking for.  If they provide a mid-range headless system, then why would people buy iMacs?  A mid-range machine would eat into the (likely very profitable) iMac sales.  Those that need more "oomph" than the mini have to buy an iMac -- and what a great value it is!  Why look!  You get both a computer and a monitor for that price!</p><p>And those that absolutely have to have an expandable machine are forced to step up to the Mac Pros, and they certainly aren't cheap.  Apple makes you pay dearly for that privilege.</p><p>Apple has priced themselves out of the commodity market, and that's exactly their strategy.  Macs are seen as chic, cool, and exclusive -- a luxury item.  Sure, you can buy this cheap PC that will get the job done, but if you want to look cool while doing it, spend a little more for that Mac and be the envy of all of your friends.*  Putting out a box that would compete toe to toe with a PC, which is exactly what an expandable &pound;800 machine would do, would dilute their whole corporate image.  They try very hard not to compete with PCs on an apples to apples basis, and that strategy seems to be working very well for them.</p><p>Mind you, I'm not defending them.  I'm an IT director in an advertising and communications agency where I have to deal with the reality of owning and operating Macs on a daily basis.  I'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people, and those are the ones that will need expandable machines.  A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer.  Instead, I'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros, which have actually gone <i>up</i> in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors.  And, unfortunately, we'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets.  So, while I can't defend their marketing and pricing strategy, I can certainly understand and even respect it.</p><p>*Note: I had a very hard time not making the obvious car analogy.  I'll let the readers make that analogy on their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A   800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people.That it would .
Although those are n't the people that Apple are looking for .
If they provide a mid-range headless system , then why would people buy iMacs ?
A mid-range machine would eat into the ( likely very profitable ) iMac sales .
Those that need more " oomph " than the mini have to buy an iMac -- and what a great value it is !
Why look !
You get both a computer and a monitor for that price ! And those that absolutely have to have an expandable machine are forced to step up to the Mac Pros , and they certainly are n't cheap .
Apple makes you pay dearly for that privilege.Apple has priced themselves out of the commodity market , and that 's exactly their strategy .
Macs are seen as chic , cool , and exclusive -- a luxury item .
Sure , you can buy this cheap PC that will get the job done , but if you want to look cool while doing it , spend a little more for that Mac and be the envy of all of your friends .
* Putting out a box that would compete toe to toe with a PC , which is exactly what an expandable   800 machine would do , would dilute their whole corporate image .
They try very hard not to compete with PCs on an apples to apples basis , and that strategy seems to be working very well for them.Mind you , I 'm not defending them .
I 'm an IT director in an advertising and communications agency where I have to deal with the reality of owning and operating Macs on a daily basis .
I 'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people , and those are the ones that will need expandable machines .
A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer .
Instead , I 'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros , which have actually gone up in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors .
And , unfortunately , we 'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets .
So , while I ca n't defend their marketing and pricing strategy , I can certainly understand and even respect it .
* Note : I had a very hard time not making the obvious car analogy .
I 'll let the readers make that analogy on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A £800 mid-range headless box from Apple would surely hit the sweet spot for quite a lot of people.That it would.
Although those aren't the people that Apple are looking for.
If they provide a mid-range headless system, then why would people buy iMacs?
A mid-range machine would eat into the (likely very profitable) iMac sales.
Those that need more "oomph" than the mini have to buy an iMac -- and what a great value it is!
Why look!
You get both a computer and a monitor for that price!And those that absolutely have to have an expandable machine are forced to step up to the Mac Pros, and they certainly aren't cheap.
Apple makes you pay dearly for that privilege.Apple has priced themselves out of the commodity market, and that's exactly their strategy.
Macs are seen as chic, cool, and exclusive -- a luxury item.
Sure, you can buy this cheap PC that will get the job done, but if you want to look cool while doing it, spend a little more for that Mac and be the envy of all of your friends.
*  Putting out a box that would compete toe to toe with a PC, which is exactly what an expandable £800 machine would do, would dilute their whole corporate image.
They try very hard not to compete with PCs on an apples to apples basis, and that strategy seems to be working very well for them.Mind you, I'm not defending them.
I'm an IT director in an advertising and communications agency where I have to deal with the reality of owning and operating Macs on a daily basis.
I'm looking at a desktop refresh in the next 18 months for our art people, and those are the ones that will need expandable machines.
A headless desktop priced less than or even similar to an iMac would be a no brainer.
Instead, I'm stuck looking at the cost of Mac Pros, which have actually gone up in price over the past year with the introduction of the Nehalem processors.
And, unfortunately, we'll buy them because our art directors are exactly the kind of customers that Apple targets.
So, while I can't defend their marketing and pricing strategy, I can certainly understand and even respect it.
*Note: I had a very hard time not making the obvious car analogy.
I'll let the readers make that analogy on their own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29816957</id>
	<title>Re:Ouch!</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1256044500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was quite happy with my iMac G5. When the Intel switch happened I thought of buying a new one. When the word of the Hackintosh came out, I was more tempted to wait out and build my own. Now its nice that the iMacs seem to have IPS panels (which you'll have to pay a pretty penny for now unless you luck in with Dell). I could get a really nice i5 or i7 system with a considerably better video card, RAM and hard drive and the 12\% sales tax where I live for the base price of the iMac w/o tax. And I'll have an expandable system.</p><p>And I can avoid paying for 3 yr Apple care - since if my motherboard breaks down after anytime after Applecare, I'll probably owe $500 to have it replaced at. PC? I can get a new one for $100 (or less).</p><p>If I weren't an enthusiast computer user, I'd pay the premium for the iMac. As it is, I don't want to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was quite happy with my iMac G5 .
When the Intel switch happened I thought of buying a new one .
When the word of the Hackintosh came out , I was more tempted to wait out and build my own .
Now its nice that the iMacs seem to have IPS panels ( which you 'll have to pay a pretty penny for now unless you luck in with Dell ) .
I could get a really nice i5 or i7 system with a considerably better video card , RAM and hard drive and the 12 \ % sales tax where I live for the base price of the iMac w/o tax .
And I 'll have an expandable system.And I can avoid paying for 3 yr Apple care - since if my motherboard breaks down after anytime after Applecare , I 'll probably owe $ 500 to have it replaced at .
PC ? I can get a new one for $ 100 ( or less ) .If I were n't an enthusiast computer user , I 'd pay the premium for the iMac .
As it is , I do n't want to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was quite happy with my iMac G5.
When the Intel switch happened I thought of buying a new one.
When the word of the Hackintosh came out, I was more tempted to wait out and build my own.
Now its nice that the iMacs seem to have IPS panels (which you'll have to pay a pretty penny for now unless you luck in with Dell).
I could get a really nice i5 or i7 system with a considerably better video card, RAM and hard drive and the 12\% sales tax where I live for the base price of the iMac w/o tax.
And I'll have an expandable system.And I can avoid paying for 3 yr Apple care - since if my motherboard breaks down after anytime after Applecare, I'll probably owe $500 to have it replaced at.
PC? I can get a new one for $100 (or less).If I weren't an enthusiast computer user, I'd pay the premium for the iMac.
As it is, I don't want to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29818791</id>
	<title>Re:Blurred Lines?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1256055180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, let's see.  Do you know what servers were, for years?  It was the box on someone's desk, running some software that served files, web pages, whatever.  They definitely did have audio jacks.  No mini DVI ports though, just VGA (usually).  Then someone decided to put the server in a closet somewhere so it wouldn't get messed around with so much, and Joe could still work even if a bunch of people wanted stuff off that server.  Only later did <i>many</i> servers lose their ports, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , let 's see .
Do you know what servers were , for years ?
It was the box on someone 's desk , running some software that served files , web pages , whatever .
They definitely did have audio jacks .
No mini DVI ports though , just VGA ( usually ) .
Then someone decided to put the server in a closet somewhere so it would n't get messed around with so much , and Joe could still work even if a bunch of people wanted stuff off that server .
Only later did many servers lose their ports , monitors , keyboards , mice , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, let's see.
Do you know what servers were, for years?
It was the box on someone's desk, running some software that served files, web pages, whatever.
They definitely did have audio jacks.
No mini DVI ports though, just VGA (usually).
Then someone decided to put the server in a closet somewhere so it wouldn't get messed around with so much, and Joe could still work even if a bunch of people wanted stuff off that server.
Only later did many servers lose their ports, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_20_1833228.29819265</id>
	<title>Re:Blurred Lines?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256058660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't I just run cheap hardware for the cpus and use "enterprise class" networking combined with replication/failover to get the reliability?</p><p>The same thing happened with storage wrt raid.  It is already happening at big datacenters.</p><p>Enterprise is a system level thing.  Individual pieces don't matter as long as the system is designed to deal with the limitations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't I just run cheap hardware for the cpus and use " enterprise class " networking combined with replication/failover to get the reliability ? The same thing happened with storage wrt raid .
It is already happening at big datacenters.Enterprise is a system level thing .
Individual pieces do n't matter as long as the system is designed to deal with the limitations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't I just run cheap hardware for the cpus and use "enterprise class" networking combined with replication/failover to get the reliability?The same thing happened with storage wrt raid.
It is already happening at big datacenters.Enterprise is a system level thing.
Individual pieces don't matter as long as the system is designed to deal with the limitations.</sentencetext>
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