<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_19_1844258</id>
	<title>Car Glass Rules Could Impair Cell, GPS and Radio Signals In CA</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1255977960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The California Air Resources Board (CARB) just passed a new regulation that requires glazed glass in automobiles that is supposed to reduce the need to use air conditioning.  The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation <a href="http://www.detnews.com/article/20091010/AUTO01/910100321/1148/+Cool++car+rules+c\%20ould+affect+radios++phones">also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves</a>.  That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded.  Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The California Air Resources Board ( CARB ) just passed a new regulation that requires glazed glass in automobiles that is supposed to reduce the need to use air conditioning .
The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves .
That means radios , satellite radios , GPS , garage door openers , and cell phones will be severely degraded .
Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers , plastic windows , and no air conditioning .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The California Air Resources Board (CARB) just passed a new regulation that requires glazed glass in automobiles that is supposed to reduce the need to use air conditioning.
The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves.
That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded.
Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798697</id>
	<title>If it interferes with EZPass....</title>
	<author>ElmoGonzo</author>
	<datestamp>1255984740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't have an EZPass, but if it relies on this spectrum that would be a serious drawback -- politically speaking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have an EZPass , but if it relies on this spectrum that would be a serious drawback -- politically speaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have an EZPass, but if it relies on this spectrum that would be a serious drawback -- politically speaking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798819</id>
	<title>Did any go to the CARB wbesite...</title>
	<author>pdtp</author>
	<datestamp>1255985100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>and see the nice little FAQ they have.
<a href="http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/coolcarsfaq.pdf" title="ca.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/coolcarsfaq.pdf</a> [ca.gov]

Will my GPS still work?
Yes. Many automobile manufacturers currently equip their vehicles with external antennas to
ensure proper functioning of factory installed GPS devices. For aftermarket GPS devices, deletion
windows, or areas without reflective coatings, will be created in the windshield and the location of
these windows noted in the owner&rsquo;s manual. ARB tests showed that placing the GPS device or the
external antenna within the deletion window allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car
with no reflective glass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and see the nice little FAQ they have .
http : //www.arb.ca.gov/html/coolcarsfaq.pdf [ ca.gov ] Will my GPS still work ?
Yes. Many automobile manufacturers currently equip their vehicles with external antennas to ensure proper functioning of factory installed GPS devices .
For aftermarket GPS devices , deletion windows , or areas without reflective coatings , will be created in the windshield and the location of these windows noted in the owner    s manual .
ARB tests showed that placing the GPS device or the external antenna within the deletion window allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car with no reflective glass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and see the nice little FAQ they have.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/coolcarsfaq.pdf [ca.gov]

Will my GPS still work?
Yes. Many automobile manufacturers currently equip their vehicles with external antennas to
ensure proper functioning of factory installed GPS devices.
For aftermarket GPS devices, deletion
windows, or areas without reflective coatings, will be created in the windshield and the location of
these windows noted in the owner’s manual.
ARB tests showed that placing the GPS device or the
external antenna within the deletion window allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car
with no reflective glass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801967</id>
	<title>What about the new Priuses?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255956240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or should that be Prii? Anyhow they use the solar panel roof to run the A/C unit. Will those have to have the special glass?</p><p>As for GPS? No biggy, your portable unit should (I haven't seen one in a while that didn't) have a port for an external antenna. The real issue will be AM reception if it does lower frequencies, since that really relies on the bar antenna within the radio (which incidentally after market radios suck at receiving compared to factory radios), FM, and after market remote start/alarm systems. The signal may not be completely blocked, but the range will most likely be diminished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or should that be Prii ?
Anyhow they use the solar panel roof to run the A/C unit .
Will those have to have the special glass ? As for GPS ?
No biggy , your portable unit should ( I have n't seen one in a while that did n't ) have a port for an external antenna .
The real issue will be AM reception if it does lower frequencies , since that really relies on the bar antenna within the radio ( which incidentally after market radios suck at receiving compared to factory radios ) , FM , and after market remote start/alarm systems .
The signal may not be completely blocked , but the range will most likely be diminished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or should that be Prii?
Anyhow they use the solar panel roof to run the A/C unit.
Will those have to have the special glass?As for GPS?
No biggy, your portable unit should (I haven't seen one in a while that didn't) have a port for an external antenna.
The real issue will be AM reception if it does lower frequencies, since that really relies on the bar antenna within the radio (which incidentally after market radios suck at receiving compared to factory radios), FM, and after market remote start/alarm systems.
The signal may not be completely blocked, but the range will most likely be diminished.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800535</id>
	<title>I support this wholeheartedly</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1255948740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because I find the inevitable apoplectic reaction from a certain type of person, hilarious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because I find the inevitable apoplectic reaction from a certain type of person , hilarious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because I find the inevitable apoplectic reaction from a certain type of person, hilarious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798119</id>
	<title>If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255982940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I lived in California and I wanted a brand new vehicle then I'd just go to a nearby state to buy one without this bullshit. I wonder if this will have a negative impact on auto sales in the state?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I lived in California and I wanted a brand new vehicle then I 'd just go to a nearby state to buy one without this bullshit .
I wonder if this will have a negative impact on auto sales in the state ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I lived in California and I wanted a brand new vehicle then I'd just go to a nearby state to buy one without this bullshit.
I wonder if this will have a negative impact on auto sales in the state?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799291</id>
	<title>This just in: Car Pooling with the Obese Banned!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255943520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A new study finds that car pooling with more than one obese person in the car increases green house gas emissions. Thousands of Americans forced to walk to work...</htmltext>
<tokenext>A new study finds that car pooling with more than one obese person in the car increases green house gas emissions .
Thousands of Americans forced to walk to work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A new study finds that car pooling with more than one obese person in the car increases green house gas emissions.
Thousands of Americans forced to walk to work...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797795</id>
	<title>Re:You mean ...</title>
	<author>El Gigante de Justic</author>
	<datestamp>1255981860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, instead of meaning people will stop using their phone, they'll probably just fumble around with it more instead to restart their calls.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Or they'll resort to texting which (supposedly) doesn't require as strong of a signal as voice calls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , instead of meaning people will stop using their phone , they 'll probably just fumble around with it more instead to restart their calls .
    Or they 'll resort to texting which ( supposedly ) does n't require as strong of a signal as voice calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, instead of meaning people will stop using their phone, they'll probably just fumble around with it more instead to restart their calls.
    Or they'll resort to texting which (supposedly) doesn't require as strong of a signal as voice calls.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797751</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797819</id>
	<title>If it keeps people from yapping on their cellphone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255981920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say it's a win-win situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say it 's a win-win situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say it's a win-win situation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802765</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255961280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm . . . yes you can. All sorts of 49 state cars are legally sold in CA, and without a penalty. How do you think people are able to buy a VW Beetle diesel in CA, when the car was never originally sold here? There is a very lucrative market shipping cars from FL (for example) to CA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm .
. .
yes you can .
All sorts of 49 state cars are legally sold in CA , and without a penalty .
How do you think people are able to buy a VW Beetle diesel in CA , when the car was never originally sold here ?
There is a very lucrative market shipping cars from FL ( for example ) to CA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm .
. .
yes you can.
All sorts of 49 state cars are legally sold in CA, and without a penalty.
How do you think people are able to buy a VW Beetle diesel in CA, when the car was never originally sold here?
There is a very lucrative market shipping cars from FL (for example) to CA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29805421</id>
	<title>Why do you want to use your cellphone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256035200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you want to use your cellphone in your car?</p><p>You shouldn't be using it while driving. It's worse than being over the drunk driver limit.</p><p>If you've stopped, how about opening the bloody door?</p><p>And all that needs to be done, though this isn't as simple as it sounds I would reckon, is to take the GPS antennae out to the radio antenna sticking out the back of your car.</p><p>And how often do you use your GPS anyway? Don't you know where you're driving?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you want to use your cellphone in your car ? You should n't be using it while driving .
It 's worse than being over the drunk driver limit.If you 've stopped , how about opening the bloody door ? And all that needs to be done , though this is n't as simple as it sounds I would reckon , is to take the GPS antennae out to the radio antenna sticking out the back of your car.And how often do you use your GPS anyway ?
Do n't you know where you 're driving ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you want to use your cellphone in your car?You shouldn't be using it while driving.
It's worse than being over the drunk driver limit.If you've stopped, how about opening the bloody door?And all that needs to be done, though this isn't as simple as it sounds I would reckon, is to take the GPS antennae out to the radio antenna sticking out the back of your car.And how often do you use your GPS anyway?
Don't you know where you're driving?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799871</id>
	<title>Oh noes!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255945620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[1] I don't talk on the phone when I drive, but I sometimes do if my wife is driving.<br>[2] Our cars are 1999 and 2007, and phones and GPSs work perfectly in both of them.<br>[3] If I did get a car with "California glass", I could install a zBoost YX230 mobile cell phone repeater ($179) and a TomTom external antenna ($25). Or splurge and get the $100 RDS-TMC traffic receiver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ 1 ] I do n't talk on the phone when I drive , but I sometimes do if my wife is driving .
[ 2 ] Our cars are 1999 and 2007 , and phones and GPSs work perfectly in both of them .
[ 3 ] If I did get a car with " California glass " , I could install a zBoost YX230 mobile cell phone repeater ( $ 179 ) and a TomTom external antenna ( $ 25 ) .
Or splurge and get the $ 100 RDS-TMC traffic receiver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[1] I don't talk on the phone when I drive, but I sometimes do if my wife is driving.
[2] Our cars are 1999 and 2007, and phones and GPSs work perfectly in both of them.
[3] If I did get a car with "California glass", I could install a zBoost YX230 mobile cell phone repeater ($179) and a TomTom external antenna ($25).
Or splurge and get the $100 RDS-TMC traffic receiver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798707</id>
	<title>hasta la vista...GPS</title>
	<author>Ingcuervo</author>
	<datestamp>1255984800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>definitely the next law should be to re organize the EM spectrum, lets transmit GPs trough Gama rays, lets warm food using visible light, and transmit cellphones on radio waves!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>definitely the next law should be to re organize the EM spectrum , lets transmit GPs trough Gama rays , lets warm food using visible light , and transmit cellphones on radio waves ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>definitely the next law should be to re organize the EM spectrum, lets transmit GPs trough Gama rays, lets warm food using visible light, and transmit cellphones on radio waves!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797751</id>
	<title>You mean ...</title>
	<author>bryanp</author>
	<datestamp>1255981680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... people will have problems using cell phones while driving?</p><p>Oh darn.  That's just horrible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... people will have problems using cell phones while driving ? Oh darn .
That 's just horrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... people will have problems using cell phones while driving?Oh darn.
That's just horrible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799715</id>
	<title>Re:Attention People of California</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1255945080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm trying. However, someone else keeps voting to keep the same bastards in office. I'd also love to start with a fresh constitution that doesn't fill a small book and is more sensible than the current. I'm even ok with just taking the US constitution and use it where possible for the state constitution. But again, someone keeps voting to keep the status quo. Bastards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm trying .
However , someone else keeps voting to keep the same bastards in office .
I 'd also love to start with a fresh constitution that does n't fill a small book and is more sensible than the current .
I 'm even ok with just taking the US constitution and use it where possible for the state constitution .
But again , someone keeps voting to keep the status quo .
Bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm trying.
However, someone else keeps voting to keep the same bastards in office.
I'd also love to start with a fresh constitution that doesn't fill a small book and is more sensible than the current.
I'm even ok with just taking the US constitution and use it where possible for the state constitution.
But again, someone keeps voting to keep the status quo.
Bastards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798589</id>
	<title>Re:You mean ...</title>
	<author>baKanale</author>
	<datestamp>1255984440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I honestly don't know for certain, and I'd really like to hear from someone who knows more about cellphone protocols, but I'd imagine that voice uses a UDP-style protocol and texting uses something like TCP, so if any of the text packets get dropped due to low signal it can keep sending until they get through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly do n't know for certain , and I 'd really like to hear from someone who knows more about cellphone protocols , but I 'd imagine that voice uses a UDP-style protocol and texting uses something like TCP , so if any of the text packets get dropped due to low signal it can keep sending until they get through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I honestly don't know for certain, and I'd really like to hear from someone who knows more about cellphone protocols, but I'd imagine that voice uses a UDP-style protocol and texting uses something like TCP, so if any of the text packets get dropped due to low signal it can keep sending until they get through.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797795</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799183</id>
	<title>Got to love it</title>
	<author>lord\_rotorooter</author>
	<datestamp>1255943160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The bad thing about government regulating any type of technology is that when a newer technology comes along we are stuck with the current laws and regulations.  No doubt these will be highly expensive and susceptible to cracking.  Three years from now we will read about California passing a new law making it illegal for drivers to hang their head out the window due to increased cases of decapitation.  I'm sure Pelosi will have sold her stock in the windshield factory by then...  Hopefully she doesn't invest in anal probes are we'll all be screwed...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bad thing about government regulating any type of technology is that when a newer technology comes along we are stuck with the current laws and regulations .
No doubt these will be highly expensive and susceptible to cracking .
Three years from now we will read about California passing a new law making it illegal for drivers to hang their head out the window due to increased cases of decapitation .
I 'm sure Pelosi will have sold her stock in the windshield factory by then... Hopefully she does n't invest in anal probes are we 'll all be screwed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bad thing about government regulating any type of technology is that when a newer technology comes along we are stuck with the current laws and regulations.
No doubt these will be highly expensive and susceptible to cracking.
Three years from now we will read about California passing a new law making it illegal for drivers to hang their head out the window due to increased cases of decapitation.
I'm sure Pelosi will have sold her stock in the windshield factory by then...  Hopefully she doesn't invest in anal probes are we'll all be screwed...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29804283</id>
	<title>You know...</title>
	<author>ericthughes</author>
	<datestamp>1255975500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your tin foil beanies reflect the "bad rays" as good as any of these new fangled glass things. A big plus is all those black helecopters that CA launched wont be able to read your mind!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your tin foil beanies reflect the " bad rays " as good as any of these new fangled glass things .
A big plus is all those black helecopters that CA launched wont be able to read your mind !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your tin foil beanies reflect the "bad rays" as good as any of these new fangled glass things.
A big plus is all those black helecopters that CA launched wont be able to read your mind!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798173</id>
	<title>Then you know...</title>
	<author>Fuzzums</author>
	<datestamp>1255983120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning."</p><p>Then you know "somebody" in the car glass industry had a very good friend at a high place<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers , plastic windows , and no air conditioning .
" Then you know " somebody " in the car glass industry had a very good friend at a high place : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.
"Then you know "somebody" in the car glass industry had a very good friend at a high place :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798127</id>
	<title>In California?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255982940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoa, wait a minute... short-sighted, ineffectual, over-reaching, burdensome laws... IN CALIFORNIA? As a California native, I am shocked, SHOCKED!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoa , wait a minute... short-sighted , ineffectual , over-reaching , burdensome laws... IN CALIFORNIA ?
As a California native , I am shocked , SHOCKED !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoa, wait a minute... short-sighted, ineffectual, over-reaching, burdensome laws... IN CALIFORNIA?
As a California native, I am shocked, SHOCKED!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801907</id>
	<title>I wonder if it violates FCC rules?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255955880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FCC has rules against blocking cellphone signals, or interfering with radio reception in general.<br>I'm guessing the rules target active blocking rather or active interference, since Stucco houses are legal yet I can't get a TV or radio signal inside mine.<br>Oh well, it was a good thought anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FCC has rules against blocking cellphone signals , or interfering with radio reception in general.I 'm guessing the rules target active blocking rather or active interference , since Stucco houses are legal yet I ca n't get a TV or radio signal inside mine.Oh well , it was a good thought anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FCC has rules against blocking cellphone signals, or interfering with radio reception in general.I'm guessing the rules target active blocking rather or active interference, since Stucco houses are legal yet I can't get a TV or radio signal inside mine.Oh well, it was a good thought anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801029</id>
	<title>This will not eliminate the need for A/C</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255951140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The need for air conditioning comes from several vectors:<br>- sunlight on the roof and other panels, heating the car<br>- sunlight on the glass windows, heating the car<br>- sunlight entering the car and heating the car</p><p>They seem to be focused on the last one of those three. It would seem they have never touched the metal surface of a car that has been in the sunshine all day.</p><p>When I drive with A/C on, I always try to enable it to blow onto the glass (rather than at me) because by cooling the glass windscreen, I'm going a long way to eliminating one of the major sources of heat. For a little while there is hot hair blowing at me but it doesn't take long for the windscreen to cool down and the rest of the car follows pretty quickly after that. Works a hell of a lot better just than blowing cold air at my face/feet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The need for air conditioning comes from several vectors : - sunlight on the roof and other panels , heating the car- sunlight on the glass windows , heating the car- sunlight entering the car and heating the carThey seem to be focused on the last one of those three .
It would seem they have never touched the metal surface of a car that has been in the sunshine all day.When I drive with A/C on , I always try to enable it to blow onto the glass ( rather than at me ) because by cooling the glass windscreen , I 'm going a long way to eliminating one of the major sources of heat .
For a little while there is hot hair blowing at me but it does n't take long for the windscreen to cool down and the rest of the car follows pretty quickly after that .
Works a hell of a lot better just than blowing cold air at my face/feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The need for air conditioning comes from several vectors:- sunlight on the roof and other panels, heating the car- sunlight on the glass windows, heating the car- sunlight entering the car and heating the carThey seem to be focused on the last one of those three.
It would seem they have never touched the metal surface of a car that has been in the sunshine all day.When I drive with A/C on, I always try to enable it to blow onto the glass (rather than at me) because by cooling the glass windscreen, I'm going a long way to eliminating one of the major sources of heat.
For a little while there is hot hair blowing at me but it doesn't take long for the windscreen to cool down and the rest of the car follows pretty quickly after that.
Works a hell of a lot better just than blowing cold air at my face/feet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798749</id>
	<title>Last time I looked,</title>
	<author>Master Moose</author>
	<datestamp>1255984920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My radio antenna was on the outside of my car meaning that this would not interfere with my radio reception.

Sorry, my tinfoil hat is still being fitted</htmltext>
<tokenext>My radio antenna was on the outside of my car meaning that this would not interfere with my radio reception .
Sorry , my tinfoil hat is still being fitted</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My radio antenna was on the outside of my car meaning that this would not interfere with my radio reception.
Sorry, my tinfoil hat is still being fitted</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798613</id>
	<title>Why is this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255984500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> surprising considering the kickbacks involved to the people who approved this legislation. Oh wait, sorry, for a minute I though that state governments were uncorrupt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>surprising considering the kickbacks involved to the people who approved this legislation .
Oh wait , sorry , for a minute I though that state governments were uncorrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> surprising considering the kickbacks involved to the people who approved this legislation.
Oh wait, sorry, for a minute I though that state governments were uncorrupt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798803</id>
	<title>Radios?!?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1255985040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, don't most automobile radios have the antenna located OUTSIDE the passenger compartment? If your in-car entertainment system involves a portable radio, then you definitely may be a redneck!<br> <br>
If I recall correctly, it is currently against the law in California to tint the glass in your windshield. Pass this legislation, and both tinted and non-tinted glass will be unlawful. Clearly, this legislation is intended to provide more funding for traffic enforcement -- they can now stop and ticket anyone they choose!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , do n't most automobile radios have the antenna located OUTSIDE the passenger compartment ?
If your in-car entertainment system involves a portable radio , then you definitely may be a redneck !
If I recall correctly , it is currently against the law in California to tint the glass in your windshield .
Pass this legislation , and both tinted and non-tinted glass will be unlawful .
Clearly , this legislation is intended to provide more funding for traffic enforcement -- they can now stop and ticket anyone they choose !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, don't most automobile radios have the antenna located OUTSIDE the passenger compartment?
If your in-car entertainment system involves a portable radio, then you definitely may be a redneck!
If I recall correctly, it is currently against the law in California to tint the glass in your windshield.
Pass this legislation, and both tinted and non-tinted glass will be unlawful.
Clearly, this legislation is intended to provide more funding for traffic enforcement -- they can now stop and ticket anyone they choose!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798961</id>
	<title>On the bright side...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255985580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Electronic eavesdropping might be more difficult.  You can also use half-gauge tin foil hats inside your car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Electronic eavesdropping might be more difficult .
You can also use half-gauge tin foil hats inside your car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electronic eavesdropping might be more difficult.
You can also use half-gauge tin foil hats inside your car.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798627</id>
	<title>CARB</title>
	<author>uberjack</author>
	<datestamp>1255984500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 'B' is for 'Bargain'?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'B ' is for 'Bargain ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'B' is for 'Bargain'?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799957</id>
	<title>I doubt it would obstruct cell signals</title>
	<author>vehicle tracking</author>
	<datestamp>1255946040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our GPS tracking systems use cell signals and they will usually track from inside the trunk of a car.  I doubt the glass would prevent the signal from transmitting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our GPS tracking systems use cell signals and they will usually track from inside the trunk of a car .
I doubt the glass would prevent the signal from transmitting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our GPS tracking systems use cell signals and they will usually track from inside the trunk of a car.
I doubt the glass would prevent the signal from transmitting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799835</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1255945500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've thought the same thing myself, and not just about CARB, but about any state emissions board.<br> <br>I bought an Eagle Talon TSi a few years ago that had an aftermarket air filter in it.  The local DMV wouldn't even test the emissions on the car because it wasn't an &quot;approved&quot; air filter.  OEM or equivalent filters were okay, as was a K&amp;N air filter.  However, any K&amp;N knock-off filter was an &quot;unapproved modification&quot; to the car, and was an automatic fail.  It made no sense to me that a well-maintained car with an aftermarket filter should fail -- even if the emissions were well within spec -- when I knew of people who had cars that passed the visual inspection, but could only pass the emissions test if they added Heet to the tank before the test.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've thought the same thing myself , and not just about CARB , but about any state emissions board .
I bought an Eagle Talon TSi a few years ago that had an aftermarket air filter in it .
The local DMV would n't even test the emissions on the car because it was n't an " approved " air filter .
OEM or equivalent filters were okay , as was a K&amp;N air filter .
However , any K&amp;N knock-off filter was an " unapproved modification " to the car , and was an automatic fail .
It made no sense to me that a well-maintained car with an aftermarket filter should fail -- even if the emissions were well within spec -- when I knew of people who had cars that passed the visual inspection , but could only pass the emissions test if they added Heet to the tank before the test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've thought the same thing myself, and not just about CARB, but about any state emissions board.
I bought an Eagle Talon TSi a few years ago that had an aftermarket air filter in it.
The local DMV wouldn't even test the emissions on the car because it wasn't an "approved" air filter.
OEM or equivalent filters were okay, as was a K&amp;N air filter.
However, any K&amp;N knock-off filter was an "unapproved modification" to the car, and was an automatic fail.
It made no sense to me that a well-maintained car with an aftermarket filter should fail -- even if the emissions were well within spec -- when I knew of people who had cars that passed the visual inspection, but could only pass the emissions test if they added Heet to the tank before the test.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29808597</id>
	<title>Radar Detectors Too</title>
	<author>speedlaw</author>
	<datestamp>1256055600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those of us who like having some defense against revenuers, note that this glass will also block radar detectors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of us who like having some defense against revenuers , note that this glass will also block radar detectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of us who like having some defense against revenuers, note that this glass will also block radar detectors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797835</id>
	<title>We can only hope California goes out of business</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255981980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As all insolvent institutions must, unless someone can come up with legislation that repeals the laws of gravity. Or perhaps that state can start printing money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As all insolvent institutions must , unless someone can come up with legislation that repeals the laws of gravity .
Or perhaps that state can start printing money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As all insolvent institutions must, unless someone can come up with legislation that repeals the laws of gravity.
Or perhaps that state can start printing money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29806175</id>
	<title>Oi.. lobbiests, cant we lob them somewhere else?</title>
	<author>DRACO-</author>
	<datestamp>1256044800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like someone with a new expensive glass technique has their hands in the pockets and perhaps down the pants of someone at CARB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like someone with a new expensive glass technique has their hands in the pockets and perhaps down the pants of someone at CARB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like someone with a new expensive glass technique has their hands in the pockets and perhaps down the pants of someone at CARB</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798335</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255983540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't allow you to do that here in California - you can't just bring a 49 state car here. This state is run by egomaniacs who have no concept of finance.<br>I bet that they didn't even think about whether the cost of the glazed glass pays for the fuel it saves.</p><p>California really does feel like a separate country. They place zero value on personal freedom here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't allow you to do that here in California - you ca n't just bring a 49 state car here .
This state is run by egomaniacs who have no concept of finance.I bet that they did n't even think about whether the cost of the glazed glass pays for the fuel it saves.California really does feel like a separate country .
They place zero value on personal freedom here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't allow you to do that here in California - you can't just bring a 49 state car here.
This state is run by egomaniacs who have no concept of finance.I bet that they didn't even think about whether the cost of the glazed glass pays for the fuel it saves.California really does feel like a separate country.
They place zero value on personal freedom here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798879</id>
	<title>Re:I guess this article had its intended effect...</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1255985280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it change the content of the subject matter, though?  If so, how?</p><p>How would reading this story from, say, the Orlando news change what it says?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it change the content of the subject matter , though ?
If so , how ? How would reading this story from , say , the Orlando news change what it says ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it change the content of the subject matter, though?
If so, how?How would reading this story from, say, the Orlando news change what it says?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797993</id>
	<title>I guess this article had its intended effect...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255982520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has everyone complaining about the stoopid government but did you notice that this was printed in a Detroit newspaper?  Gee, I wonder why people in Detroit would care about a new type of glass in a car window that adds extra cost to a vehicle?  You just got played due to your knee-jerk anti-government attitude.  Regardless of whether you agree with the manufacturers or the government you should realize when you are being manipulated by the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has everyone complaining about the stoopid government but did you notice that this was printed in a Detroit newspaper ?
Gee , I wonder why people in Detroit would care about a new type of glass in a car window that adds extra cost to a vehicle ?
You just got played due to your knee-jerk anti-government attitude .
Regardless of whether you agree with the manufacturers or the government you should realize when you are being manipulated by the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has everyone complaining about the stoopid government but did you notice that this was printed in a Detroit newspaper?
Gee, I wonder why people in Detroit would care about a new type of glass in a car window that adds extra cost to a vehicle?
You just got played due to your knee-jerk anti-government attitude.
Regardless of whether you agree with the manufacturers or the government you should realize when you are being manipulated by the media.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799947</id>
	<title>Re:Attention People of California</title>
	<author>fiannaFailMan</author>
	<datestamp>1255946040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your government is defective.  Huge budget deficits, stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.</p><p>Living here, I vote we rip up the state's constitution and start fresh.  The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge.</p></div><p>I entirely agree. The "assholes currently in charge" are the voters who think they're qualified to micromanage the budget via direct ballot initiative, handed the anti-tax troll minority a veto over tax increases (Prop 13), and promptly turn around and blame the politicians for the mess that the voters have gotten themselves into. After all, it's so much easier to blame the politicians that you voted for than to take responsibility for the batshit insane "initiatives" that you voted for even though you didn't understand half of them.</p><p>Rip up the constitution and start again? Allow me to begin.  How about "direct ballot initiatives are history?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your government is defective .
Huge budget deficits , stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.Living here , I vote we rip up the state 's constitution and start fresh .
The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge.I entirely agree .
The " assholes currently in charge " are the voters who think they 're qualified to micromanage the budget via direct ballot initiative , handed the anti-tax troll minority a veto over tax increases ( Prop 13 ) , and promptly turn around and blame the politicians for the mess that the voters have gotten themselves into .
After all , it 's so much easier to blame the politicians that you voted for than to take responsibility for the batshit insane " initiatives " that you voted for even though you did n't understand half of them.Rip up the constitution and start again ?
Allow me to begin .
How about " direct ballot initiatives are history ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your government is defective.
Huge budget deficits, stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.Living here, I vote we rip up the state's constitution and start fresh.
The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge.I entirely agree.
The "assholes currently in charge" are the voters who think they're qualified to micromanage the budget via direct ballot initiative, handed the anti-tax troll minority a veto over tax increases (Prop 13), and promptly turn around and blame the politicians for the mess that the voters have gotten themselves into.
After all, it's so much easier to blame the politicians that you voted for than to take responsibility for the batshit insane "initiatives" that you voted for even though you didn't understand half of them.Rip up the constitution and start again?
Allow me to begin.
How about "direct ballot initiatives are history?
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799057</id>
	<title>What we all want to know</title>
	<author>Pete Venkman</author>
	<datestamp>1255985940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It blocks EM frequencies, but does it block zombies?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It blocks EM frequencies , but does it block zombies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It blocks EM frequencies, but does it block zombies?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801377</id>
	<title>How about -</title>
	<author>Geminii</author>
	<datestamp>1255953000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about passing a law which mandates that no laws can be passed which mandate the use of a particular product or process, only the desired end result?
</p><p>
In this case, why not pass a law which says that cars must be manufactured to reduce the average use of electricity, aircon gas, or whatever they were on about (or that internal cooling efficiency/effectiveness must be at least a certain minimum)? That way, car makers can either use the special glass, or find other (possibly better) ways to achieve the same ends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about passing a law which mandates that no laws can be passed which mandate the use of a particular product or process , only the desired end result ?
In this case , why not pass a law which says that cars must be manufactured to reduce the average use of electricity , aircon gas , or whatever they were on about ( or that internal cooling efficiency/effectiveness must be at least a certain minimum ) ?
That way , car makers can either use the special glass , or find other ( possibly better ) ways to achieve the same ends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about passing a law which mandates that no laws can be passed which mandate the use of a particular product or process, only the desired end result?
In this case, why not pass a law which says that cars must be manufactured to reduce the average use of electricity, aircon gas, or whatever they were on about (or that internal cooling efficiency/effectiveness must be at least a certain minimum)?
That way, car makers can either use the special glass, or find other (possibly better) ways to achieve the same ends.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29805783</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>NJRoadfan</author>
	<datestamp>1256040540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment, and simply mandate emissions standards.</p></div><p>Which brings up an excellent point. Does CARB actually have the power to mandate this glass? In the US, automobile glazing requirements are govern by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Federal Law always trumps state law and if this actually gets enforced it sets a bad precedent. Next thing you know, CARB will be enforcing bumper standards and airbags all in the name of energy conservation (ok its a stretch, but still). Last I checked CARB was only able to set standards for vehicle tailpipe emissions because the feds. grandfathered them in (CARB existed prior to the EPA's emission standards).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment , and simply mandate emissions standards.Which brings up an excellent point .
Does CARB actually have the power to mandate this glass ?
In the US , automobile glazing requirements are govern by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards ( FMVSS ) .
Federal Law always trumps state law and if this actually gets enforced it sets a bad precedent .
Next thing you know , CARB will be enforcing bumper standards and airbags all in the name of energy conservation ( ok its a stretch , but still ) .
Last I checked CARB was only able to set standards for vehicle tailpipe emissions because the feds .
grandfathered them in ( CARB existed prior to the EPA 's emission standards ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment, and simply mandate emissions standards.Which brings up an excellent point.
Does CARB actually have the power to mandate this glass?
In the US, automobile glazing requirements are govern by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS).
Federal Law always trumps state law and if this actually gets enforced it sets a bad precedent.
Next thing you know, CARB will be enforcing bumper standards and airbags all in the name of energy conservation (ok its a stretch, but still).
Last I checked CARB was only able to set standards for vehicle tailpipe emissions because the feds.
grandfathered them in (CARB existed prior to the EPA's emission standards).
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799033</id>
	<title>Won't work, and here's why...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255985820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the problem with CARB's proposal:</p><p>The air conditioner in your car is NOT like the one in your house. Your home's air conditioner turns on when the temperature gets too high and turns off when it gets too low. The air coming out the vents is always cooled by the same amount, roughly 20 degrees cooler than the outside air.</p><p>But the AC in your car doesn't work this way. When you turn on the AC in your car, you can set the temperature coming out the vents by changing the ratio of air fed from the evaporator coil and the car's heater coil. That's what the little Blue/Red slider does. When the little "AC" light is on, your car's air conditioner is ALWAYS WORKING, always drawing maybe 2 horsepower from your engine. That's maybe 10-15\% of the power you're using at highway-speeds.</p><p>So how is this reflective glass, which may make a 5 difference, supposed to help AT ALL? Since the compressor runs all the time anyway, how is this supposed to make a difference?</p><p>And here's the thing: I see no quantifiable difference in my gas mileage between summer and winter. That's right... NONE. Maybe the lighter traffic during the summer months means I get better MPG, offsetting the  10\% power drain of using the AC. Maybe it's that anything less than 5\% is hard to calculate when you figure your mileage a tank at a time.</p><p>Or maybe it's just that automotive air conditioners leech so little power from your engine that it doesn't really make a difference...</p><p>Either way, it seems like the "no dark paint" proposal and now the "tinted glass" proposal are just CARB trying to look good doing something at the expense of Californians. They've done this over and over, costing Californians BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to no real end... I, for one am sick of it.</p><p>Between the debacle surrounding MTBE's (which put every independent gas station in CA out of business) and forcing farmers to rebuild all their (perfectly functioning) farm equipment, CARB has done nothing positive for this state and has done lots to hurt us.</p><p>Yes, pollution has gone down, but how much of this is because of CARB initiatives and how much is due to rising pollution and fuel economy standards that affect the whole country and have nothing to do with California's stupid rules?</p><p>Pretty soon, the only business left in California will be Hollywood, and with rising prices, even they'll be thinking about going elsewhere...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the problem with CARB 's proposal : The air conditioner in your car is NOT like the one in your house .
Your home 's air conditioner turns on when the temperature gets too high and turns off when it gets too low .
The air coming out the vents is always cooled by the same amount , roughly 20 degrees cooler than the outside air.But the AC in your car does n't work this way .
When you turn on the AC in your car , you can set the temperature coming out the vents by changing the ratio of air fed from the evaporator coil and the car 's heater coil .
That 's what the little Blue/Red slider does .
When the little " AC " light is on , your car 's air conditioner is ALWAYS WORKING , always drawing maybe 2 horsepower from your engine .
That 's maybe 10-15 \ % of the power you 're using at highway-speeds.So how is this reflective glass , which may make a 5 difference , supposed to help AT ALL ?
Since the compressor runs all the time anyway , how is this supposed to make a difference ? And here 's the thing : I see no quantifiable difference in my gas mileage between summer and winter .
That 's right... NONE. Maybe the lighter traffic during the summer months means I get better MPG , offsetting the 10 \ % power drain of using the AC .
Maybe it 's that anything less than 5 \ % is hard to calculate when you figure your mileage a tank at a time.Or maybe it 's just that automotive air conditioners leech so little power from your engine that it does n't really make a difference...Either way , it seems like the " no dark paint " proposal and now the " tinted glass " proposal are just CARB trying to look good doing something at the expense of Californians .
They 've done this over and over , costing Californians BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to no real end... I , for one am sick of it.Between the debacle surrounding MTBE 's ( which put every independent gas station in CA out of business ) and forcing farmers to rebuild all their ( perfectly functioning ) farm equipment , CARB has done nothing positive for this state and has done lots to hurt us.Yes , pollution has gone down , but how much of this is because of CARB initiatives and how much is due to rising pollution and fuel economy standards that affect the whole country and have nothing to do with California 's stupid rules ? Pretty soon , the only business left in California will be Hollywood , and with rising prices , even they 'll be thinking about going elsewhere.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the problem with CARB's proposal:The air conditioner in your car is NOT like the one in your house.
Your home's air conditioner turns on when the temperature gets too high and turns off when it gets too low.
The air coming out the vents is always cooled by the same amount, roughly 20 degrees cooler than the outside air.But the AC in your car doesn't work this way.
When you turn on the AC in your car, you can set the temperature coming out the vents by changing the ratio of air fed from the evaporator coil and the car's heater coil.
That's what the little Blue/Red slider does.
When the little "AC" light is on, your car's air conditioner is ALWAYS WORKING, always drawing maybe 2 horsepower from your engine.
That's maybe 10-15\% of the power you're using at highway-speeds.So how is this reflective glass, which may make a 5 difference, supposed to help AT ALL?
Since the compressor runs all the time anyway, how is this supposed to make a difference?And here's the thing: I see no quantifiable difference in my gas mileage between summer and winter.
That's right... NONE. Maybe the lighter traffic during the summer months means I get better MPG, offsetting the  10\% power drain of using the AC.
Maybe it's that anything less than 5\% is hard to calculate when you figure your mileage a tank at a time.Or maybe it's just that automotive air conditioners leech so little power from your engine that it doesn't really make a difference...Either way, it seems like the "no dark paint" proposal and now the "tinted glass" proposal are just CARB trying to look good doing something at the expense of Californians.
They've done this over and over, costing Californians BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to no real end... I, for one am sick of it.Between the debacle surrounding MTBE's (which put every independent gas station in CA out of business) and forcing farmers to rebuild all their (perfectly functioning) farm equipment, CARB has done nothing positive for this state and has done lots to hurt us.Yes, pollution has gone down, but how much of this is because of CARB initiatives and how much is due to rising pollution and fuel economy standards that affect the whole country and have nothing to do with California's stupid rules?Pretty soon, the only business left in California will be Hollywood, and with rising prices, even they'll be thinking about going elsewhere...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799577</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1255944600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>...I'm wondering if they have to apply it to Motorcycle fairings as well... knowing California, they likely did.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'm wondering if they have to apply it to Motorcycle fairings as well... knowing California , they likely did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'm wondering if they have to apply it to Motorcycle fairings as well... knowing California, they likely did.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798919</id>
	<title>Re:this law brought to you by onstar?</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1255985460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or drive around with a window down with the phone held outside, and the AC on full<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  I would be more pissed if I can't get my GPS to work on the dash.<br>With manufactures already wanting to sell services like on-star, with cell &amp; GPS locked to your car, they likely don't need much of a good excuse to block yours.<br>I would likely replace one window with plain glass and a holder for the phone next to that, blue-tooth the remaining distance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or drive around with a window down with the phone held outside , and the AC on full : ) I would be more pissed if I ca n't get my GPS to work on the dash.With manufactures already wanting to sell services like on-star , with cell &amp; GPS locked to your car , they likely do n't need much of a good excuse to block yours.I would likely replace one window with plain glass and a holder for the phone next to that , blue-tooth the remaining distance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or drive around with a window down with the phone held outside, and the AC on full :)  I would be more pissed if I can't get my GPS to work on the dash.With manufactures already wanting to sell services like on-star, with cell &amp; GPS locked to your car, they likely don't need much of a good excuse to block yours.I would likely replace one window with plain glass and a holder for the phone next to that, blue-tooth the remaining distance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797795</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799113</id>
	<title>Does this mean the antenna</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1255942920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean the antenna thats in stalled on the body of the cars is useless somehow? radio waves don't go through metal? I thought metal was a good radio Wave pickup tool lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean the antenna thats in stalled on the body of the cars is useless somehow ?
radio waves do n't go through metal ?
I thought metal was a good radio Wave pickup tool lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean the antenna thats in stalled on the body of the cars is useless somehow?
radio waves don't go through metal?
I thought metal was a good radio Wave pickup tool lol</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798835</id>
	<title>Hope this stays only in California</title>
	<author>rider\_prider</author>
	<datestamp>1255985160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope this doesn't spread, we need all the heat from the sun we can get up here in Canada,...
Trouble is legislators/regulators tend to follow the leader and not think for themselves.
Using this kind of glass in colder climates would be a big mistake.
For example today at 8 degrees Celsius, my car interior was warm when I got in it a little bit ago, with all frost melted off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope this does n't spread , we need all the heat from the sun we can get up here in Canada,.. . Trouble is legislators/regulators tend to follow the leader and not think for themselves .
Using this kind of glass in colder climates would be a big mistake .
For example today at 8 degrees Celsius , my car interior was warm when I got in it a little bit ago , with all frost melted off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope this doesn't spread, we need all the heat from the sun we can get up here in Canada,...
Trouble is legislators/regulators tend to follow the leader and not think for themselves.
Using this kind of glass in colder climates would be a big mistake.
For example today at 8 degrees Celsius, my car interior was warm when I got in it a little bit ago, with all frost melted off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798081</id>
	<title>It IS simply mandating a standard...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1255982820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its mandating a standard behavior for the glass in the non-visible part of the spectrum, that has a conequesnce of keeping your car from getting so F@#)(*@# hot in the sun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its mandating a standard behavior for the glass in the non-visible part of the spectrum , that has a conequesnce of keeping your car from getting so F @ # ) ( * @ # hot in the sun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its mandating a standard behavior for the glass in the non-visible part of the spectrum, that has a conequesnce of keeping your car from getting so F@#)(*@# hot in the sun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797811</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799771</id>
	<title>How is this going to affect ezpass toll systems?</title>
	<author>midicase</author>
	<datestamp>1255945320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if this is going to affect ezpass toll systems, which use battery powered RFID transponders: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ZPass" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ZPass</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this is going to affect ezpass toll systems , which use battery powered RFID transponders : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ZPass [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this is going to affect ezpass toll systems, which use battery powered RFID transponders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ZPass [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801441</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>Mal-2</author>
	<datestamp>1255953240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To counter this dodge, the fees are VERY steep (and in some cases it is just plain forbidden) if you attempt to bring a car into California and register it with less than 7500 miles on it. Heaven help you if your tags run out on the prior state before you hit 7500 miles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To counter this dodge , the fees are VERY steep ( and in some cases it is just plain forbidden ) if you attempt to bring a car into California and register it with less than 7500 miles on it .
Heaven help you if your tags run out on the prior state before you hit 7500 miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To counter this dodge, the fees are VERY steep (and in some cases it is just plain forbidden) if you attempt to bring a car into California and register it with less than 7500 miles on it.
Heaven help you if your tags run out on the prior state before you hit 7500 miles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29813855</id>
	<title>MTBE</title>
	<author>slew</author>
	<datestamp>1256030940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly this is not funny. The CARB (California air resources board) are the same folks that were responsible for the MTBE fiasco in California which poluted all of our reservoirs in exchange for slightly cleaner air. I don't think it's totally unreasonable to ask what they haven't tested in this new <i> <b>required</b> </i> glass material...</p><p>Hopefully it won't outgas fumes that corrode copper wires or anything like that when baked daily under 100+ deg Farenheit parking lots (wait, that was only untested drywall), but you know what I mean<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)</p><p>Even it <i> <b>only</b> </i> blocked GPS and cell phones, I guess law enforcement has to give up their cell-phone ping tracking evidence gathering scheme.  Civil righters rejoice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly this is not funny .
The CARB ( California air resources board ) are the same folks that were responsible for the MTBE fiasco in California which poluted all of our reservoirs in exchange for slightly cleaner air .
I do n't think it 's totally unreasonable to ask what they have n't tested in this new required glass material...Hopefully it wo n't outgas fumes that corrode copper wires or anything like that when baked daily under 100 + deg Farenheit parking lots ( wait , that was only untested drywall ) , but you know what I mean ; ^ ) Even it only blocked GPS and cell phones , I guess law enforcement has to give up their cell-phone ping tracking evidence gathering scheme .
Civil righters rejoice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly this is not funny.
The CARB (California air resources board) are the same folks that were responsible for the MTBE fiasco in California which poluted all of our reservoirs in exchange for slightly cleaner air.
I don't think it's totally unreasonable to ask what they haven't tested in this new  required  glass material...Hopefully it won't outgas fumes that corrode copper wires or anything like that when baked daily under 100+ deg Farenheit parking lots (wait, that was only untested drywall), but you know what I mean ;^)Even it  only  blocked GPS and cell phones, I guess law enforcement has to give up their cell-phone ping tracking evidence gathering scheme.
Civil righters rejoice?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798067</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798553</id>
	<title>Compulosry in California; illegal in India</title>
	<author>Apoorv Khatreja</author>
	<datestamp>1255984320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And in India, it is illegal to have your car windows tinted black, because a few years ago, a Swiss tourist was raped in a car that had tinted windows and apparently that made it 'difficult' for the cops to know what was going on inside.<br> <br>

Boy, talk about irony.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And in India , it is illegal to have your car windows tinted black , because a few years ago , a Swiss tourist was raped in a car that had tinted windows and apparently that made it 'difficult ' for the cops to know what was going on inside .
Boy , talk about irony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in India, it is illegal to have your car windows tinted black, because a few years ago, a Swiss tourist was raped in a car that had tinted windows and apparently that made it 'difficult' for the cops to know what was going on inside.
Boy, talk about irony.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29803531</id>
	<title>Fact check please!</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1255967400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After reading the story all I can find is speculation. Is there any facts present that this actually reduces radio frequencies? And if so what is the frequency range?</p><p>I want to know the range because currently inside of my vehicle I pick up a lot of 34.7 ghz and the last thing I want is to have my windows reduce those signals. Buying a good external antenna costs a lot.</p><p>So, does anyone know the freq range? Does this news story have any facts present at all to it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading the story all I can find is speculation .
Is there any facts present that this actually reduces radio frequencies ?
And if so what is the frequency range ? I want to know the range because currently inside of my vehicle I pick up a lot of 34.7 ghz and the last thing I want is to have my windows reduce those signals .
Buying a good external antenna costs a lot.So , does anyone know the freq range ?
Does this news story have any facts present at all to it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading the story all I can find is speculation.
Is there any facts present that this actually reduces radio frequencies?
And if so what is the frequency range?I want to know the range because currently inside of my vehicle I pick up a lot of 34.7 ghz and the last thing I want is to have my windows reduce those signals.
Buying a good external antenna costs a lot.So, does anyone know the freq range?
Does this news story have any facts present at all to it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29827349</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1256156820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're going to mod me as a troll, when you can google for "John Holdren sterilze" and you'll find exactly what I'm talking about. The green movement and the environmental movement are dangerous because there are powerful people there that firmly believe people are the problem, and there should be less of them on this planet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're going to mod me as a troll , when you can google for " John Holdren sterilze " and you 'll find exactly what I 'm talking about .
The green movement and the environmental movement are dangerous because there are powerful people there that firmly believe people are the problem , and there should be less of them on this planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're going to mod me as a troll, when you can google for "John Holdren sterilze" and you'll find exactly what I'm talking about.
The green movement and the environmental movement are dangerous because there are powerful people there that firmly believe people are the problem, and there should be less of them on this planet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797811</id>
	<title>CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255981860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment, and simply mandate emissions standards. Who cares why your car gets good or shitty mileage? Let's just see them have mandated emissions and, if necessary, mileage; we already have both, of course. But at the same time, the CARB has done amazing things for California's air quality; there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff. Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we're not done here, yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment , and simply mandate emissions standards .
Who cares why your car gets good or shitty mileage ?
Let 's just see them have mandated emissions and , if necessary , mileage ; we already have both , of course .
But at the same time , the CARB has done amazing things for California 's air quality ; there 's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff .
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we 're not done here , yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CARB should be barred from mandating equipment, and simply mandate emissions standards.
Who cares why your car gets good or shitty mileage?
Let's just see them have mandated emissions and, if necessary, mileage; we already have both, of course.
But at the same time, the CARB has done amazing things for California's air quality; there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we're not done here, yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798357</id>
	<title>STATIST ALERT!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255983660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who does not automatically blame the government for everything, divisionbyzero, you hereby stand accused of being a statist of the worst sort.  How do you plead?  I will assume guilty, since you are a statist and cannot be expected to think as rationally as me.  So you are a guilty statist.... the punishment for this is to read The Fountainhead a thousand times.  We cannot have anyone questioning the fundamental rights of corporations around here!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who does not automatically blame the government for everything , divisionbyzero , you hereby stand accused of being a statist of the worst sort .
How do you plead ?
I will assume guilty , since you are a statist and can not be expected to think as rationally as me .
So you are a guilty statist.... the punishment for this is to read The Fountainhead a thousand times .
We can not have anyone questioning the fundamental rights of corporations around here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who does not automatically blame the government for everything, divisionbyzero, you hereby stand accused of being a statist of the worst sort.
How do you plead?
I will assume guilty, since you are a statist and cannot be expected to think as rationally as me.
So you are a guilty statist.... the punishment for this is to read The Fountainhead a thousand times.
We cannot have anyone questioning the fundamental rights of corporations around here!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801157</id>
	<title>A Lot of Unfounded Speculation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255951800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mistrust for government judgment may be founded but the effects covered in the article is all speculation. It has several quotes with "may produce" or "may cause". There is no reference to any documented research. Well, the claim that it may cure cancer is about as well founded. In terms of frequency, any of the applications mentioned for possible degradation are several order of magnitudes away from even the low end the infrared range. The highest one, GPS, is less than two gigahertz; infrared is in the mid-terahertz range. It should be straightforward to separate them. Garmin's supposed testing consisted of what?</p><p>The automakers have to object to anything that may add to cost; they gain by making it sound like the regulations are the sole reason that the price of the car increases and nothing to lose. Hence, they will.</p><p>The idea of absorbing rather than reflecting is not a good one. With absorption, the window itself will rise in temperature and contribute to interior warming by both radiation and conduction. Reflection is better although reflected sunshine may blind other drivers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mistrust for government judgment may be founded but the effects covered in the article is all speculation .
It has several quotes with " may produce " or " may cause " .
There is no reference to any documented research .
Well , the claim that it may cure cancer is about as well founded .
In terms of frequency , any of the applications mentioned for possible degradation are several order of magnitudes away from even the low end the infrared range .
The highest one , GPS , is less than two gigahertz ; infrared is in the mid-terahertz range .
It should be straightforward to separate them .
Garmin 's supposed testing consisted of what ? The automakers have to object to anything that may add to cost ; they gain by making it sound like the regulations are the sole reason that the price of the car increases and nothing to lose .
Hence , they will.The idea of absorbing rather than reflecting is not a good one .
With absorption , the window itself will rise in temperature and contribute to interior warming by both radiation and conduction .
Reflection is better although reflected sunshine may blind other drivers ; ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mistrust for government judgment may be founded but the effects covered in the article is all speculation.
It has several quotes with "may produce" or "may cause".
There is no reference to any documented research.
Well, the claim that it may cure cancer is about as well founded.
In terms of frequency, any of the applications mentioned for possible degradation are several order of magnitudes away from even the low end the infrared range.
The highest one, GPS, is less than two gigahertz; infrared is in the mid-terahertz range.
It should be straightforward to separate them.
Garmin's supposed testing consisted of what?The automakers have to object to anything that may add to cost; they gain by making it sound like the regulations are the sole reason that the price of the car increases and nothing to lose.
Hence, they will.The idea of absorbing rather than reflecting is not a good one.
With absorption, the window itself will rise in temperature and contribute to interior warming by both radiation and conduction.
Reflection is better although reflected sunshine may blind other drivers ;^)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798601</id>
	<title>Define severly:</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1255984440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded</p></div><p>Radios, Satellite Radios use external antenna.  So strike that  over hyped issue.</p><p>GPS can as well use external antennas.</p><p>Garage door openers need a range of only 8 to 12 feet.</p><p>Put the cell phone down.  You shouldn't talking while driving anyway, And cells work in elevators, they will work in cars.</p><p>So one out of 4 complaints here is valid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That means radios , satellite radios , GPS , garage door openers , and cell phones will be severely degradedRadios , Satellite Radios use external antenna .
So strike that over hyped issue.GPS can as well use external antennas.Garage door openers need a range of only 8 to 12 feet.Put the cell phone down .
You should n't talking while driving anyway , And cells work in elevators , they will work in cars.So one out of 4 complaints here is valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degradedRadios, Satellite Radios use external antenna.
So strike that  over hyped issue.GPS can as well use external antennas.Garage door openers need a range of only 8 to 12 feet.Put the cell phone down.
You shouldn't talking while driving anyway, And cells work in elevators, they will work in cars.So one out of 4 complaints here is valid.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799463</id>
	<title>Surprising?</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1255944180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must not be very familiar with California...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must not be very familiar with California.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must not be very familiar with California...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29830183</id>
	<title>Passive repeaters</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1256128260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what?  Car manufacturers can just include a passive repeater.  It's not a big deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what ?
Car manufacturers can just include a passive repeater .
It 's not a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what?
Car manufacturers can just include a passive repeater.
It's not a big deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29804277</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255975440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oddly enough, my primary vehicle is a 49 state car that I owned before I moved to CA and had no problems registering here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oddly enough , my primary vehicle is a 49 state car that I owned before I moved to CA and had no problems registering here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oddly enough, my primary vehicle is a 49 state car that I owned before I moved to CA and had no problems registering here.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800107</id>
	<title>About time they blocked cell phones in cars</title>
	<author>WillAffleckUW</author>
	<datestamp>1255946760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you people talking on cell phones are endangering we pedestrians, cyclists, motorbike riders, and our kids.</p><p>So I'm glad they're blocking you from using cell phones that aren't tied into a cars own bluetooth vehicle rebroadcast.</p><p>Using a cell phone in a car, or texting on your blackberry, is the same as having downed EIGHT SHOTS OF VODKA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you people talking on cell phones are endangering we pedestrians , cyclists , motorbike riders , and our kids.So I 'm glad they 're blocking you from using cell phones that are n't tied into a cars own bluetooth vehicle rebroadcast.Using a cell phone in a car , or texting on your blackberry , is the same as having downed EIGHT SHOTS OF VODKA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you people talking on cell phones are endangering we pedestrians, cyclists, motorbike riders, and our kids.So I'm glad they're blocking you from using cell phones that aren't tied into a cars own bluetooth vehicle rebroadcast.Using a cell phone in a car, or texting on your blackberry, is the same as having downed EIGHT SHOTS OF VODKA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799167</id>
	<title>And they wonder why their economy is in the toilet</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1255943100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the state of California believes they need to regulate negative externalities resulting from the operation of internal combustion engines, then they should tax the operation of internal combustion engines across the board.</p><p>Instead, we have an authoritarian government telling us what light bulbs we can screw in, what size of televisions we can own, and now the brand of auto glass we use.</p><p>What we have here is government singling out specific groups, behaviors, and industries with coercive power in a manner that is anathema to individual liberty.</p><p>Economic liberty is a civil liberty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the state of California believes they need to regulate negative externalities resulting from the operation of internal combustion engines , then they should tax the operation of internal combustion engines across the board.Instead , we have an authoritarian government telling us what light bulbs we can screw in , what size of televisions we can own , and now the brand of auto glass we use.What we have here is government singling out specific groups , behaviors , and industries with coercive power in a manner that is anathema to individual liberty.Economic liberty is a civil liberty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the state of California believes they need to regulate negative externalities resulting from the operation of internal combustion engines, then they should tax the operation of internal combustion engines across the board.Instead, we have an authoritarian government telling us what light bulbs we can screw in, what size of televisions we can own, and now the brand of auto glass we use.What we have here is government singling out specific groups, behaviors, and industries with coercive power in a manner that is anathema to individual liberty.Economic liberty is a civil liberty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798549</id>
	<title>That's not how car air conditioners work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255984320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the huge majority of cars, air conditioners work by either being on or off.  When they are on, the compressor puts a small but constant load on the engine.  A separate electric blower fan blows all of the air over the cooling coils.    Your temperature control knob just mixes in warm outside air with the cold air from the air conditioner to achieve the desired temperature.   The car air conditioner uses no more energy running on full blast than it does running on low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the huge majority of cars , air conditioners work by either being on or off .
When they are on , the compressor puts a small but constant load on the engine .
A separate electric blower fan blows all of the air over the cooling coils .
Your temperature control knob just mixes in warm outside air with the cold air from the air conditioner to achieve the desired temperature .
The car air conditioner uses no more energy running on full blast than it does running on low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the huge majority of cars, air conditioners work by either being on or off.
When they are on, the compressor puts a small but constant load on the engine.
A separate electric blower fan blows all of the air over the cooling coils.
Your temperature control knob just mixes in warm outside air with the cold air from the air conditioner to achieve the desired temperature.
The car air conditioner uses no more energy running on full blast than it does running on low.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798867</id>
	<title>Using cells while driving in CA is already banned.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255985280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... so who cares if it blocks the signal?  The only thing that it would really impair would be a dash mounted GPS unit (which would suck admittedly), but you have to wonder how hard it would be to get an external antenna for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... so who cares if it blocks the signal ?
The only thing that it would really impair would be a dash mounted GPS unit ( which would suck admittedly ) , but you have to wonder how hard it would be to get an external antenna for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... so who cares if it blocks the signal?
The only thing that it would really impair would be a dash mounted GPS unit (which would suck admittedly), but you have to wonder how hard it would be to get an external antenna for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801351</id>
	<title>Re:If CARB wants us to save fuel..</title>
	<author>AaronW</author>
	<datestamp>1255952880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they actually did try and get rid of ethanol since it usually only helps old cars. They showed that the new gasoline formulations were better and produced less pollution but the use of an oxygenate is mandated by the federal government (think of all those corn growing states). MTBE was banned after it was shown it tends to leak from tanks and pollute groundwater and the alternative was ethanol. As I understand it, the oxygenates only really help carborated cars anyway, and there's not many of those on the road any more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they actually did try and get rid of ethanol since it usually only helps old cars .
They showed that the new gasoline formulations were better and produced less pollution but the use of an oxygenate is mandated by the federal government ( think of all those corn growing states ) .
MTBE was banned after it was shown it tends to leak from tanks and pollute groundwater and the alternative was ethanol .
As I understand it , the oxygenates only really help carborated cars anyway , and there 's not many of those on the road any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they actually did try and get rid of ethanol since it usually only helps old cars.
They showed that the new gasoline formulations were better and produced less pollution but the use of an oxygenate is mandated by the federal government (think of all those corn growing states).
MTBE was banned after it was shown it tends to leak from tanks and pollute groundwater and the alternative was ethanol.
As I understand it, the oxygenates only really help carborated cars anyway, and there's not many of those on the road any more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800279</id>
	<title>Can use an external antenna</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1255947480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The glass blocks cell signals? Cell phone antennas are weak anyway. You can buy external antennas that mount on your card (like police use) and either re-broadcast inside the vehicle or plug directly in (if your phone has a plug).</p><p>Wilson Electronics is one manufacturer of this kind of equipment. (My company is a dealer.)</p><p>Honestly I'd like to see vehicle manufacturers give an option to have this kind of equipment built in to a vehicle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The glass blocks cell signals ?
Cell phone antennas are weak anyway .
You can buy external antennas that mount on your card ( like police use ) and either re-broadcast inside the vehicle or plug directly in ( if your phone has a plug ) .Wilson Electronics is one manufacturer of this kind of equipment .
( My company is a dealer .
) Honestly I 'd like to see vehicle manufacturers give an option to have this kind of equipment built in to a vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The glass blocks cell signals?
Cell phone antennas are weak anyway.
You can buy external antennas that mount on your card (like police use) and either re-broadcast inside the vehicle or plug directly in (if your phone has a plug).Wilson Electronics is one manufacturer of this kind of equipment.
(My company is a dealer.
)Honestly I'd like to see vehicle manufacturers give an option to have this kind of equipment built in to a vehicle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798067</id>
	<title>BTW</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1255982760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you know that some of that old glazing material was Abseto in old homes... I wonder what crap they want put on our windows now; that in 30 years we'll find out causes cancer, autism, allergies, Liberal Rage Disorder, NIMBY Rightwing Syndrome, a taste for Bud Light, and a yearing for Married With Children reruns...</p><p>I am a firm beliver in colored glass+copper foil+lead with two sheets of clear wire reinforced safety glass on the outside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you know that some of that old glazing material was Abseto in old homes... I wonder what crap they want put on our windows now ; that in 30 years we 'll find out causes cancer , autism , allergies , Liberal Rage Disorder , NIMBY Rightwing Syndrome , a taste for Bud Light , and a yearing for Married With Children reruns...I am a firm beliver in colored glass + copper foil + lead with two sheets of clear wire reinforced safety glass on the outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you know that some of that old glazing material was Abseto in old homes... I wonder what crap they want put on our windows now; that in 30 years we'll find out causes cancer, autism, allergies, Liberal Rage Disorder, NIMBY Rightwing Syndrome, a taste for Bud Light, and a yearing for Married With Children reruns...I am a firm beliver in colored glass+copper foil+lead with two sheets of clear wire reinforced safety glass on the outside.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798367</id>
	<title>Move to force consumers to use Car Industry Soln</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255983660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This looks like a move by the car industry to force consumers to use their solution for cell phone and GPS.</p><p>That is a major market for companies like GM.</p><p>If they could force, via legislation, that occupants would have to use the cell phone/GPS installed in the car that would be a MAJOR revenue source for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This looks like a move by the car industry to force consumers to use their solution for cell phone and GPS.That is a major market for companies like GM.If they could force , via legislation , that occupants would have to use the cell phone/GPS installed in the car that would be a MAJOR revenue source for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This looks like a move by the car industry to force consumers to use their solution for cell phone and GPS.That is a major market for companies like GM.If they could force, via legislation, that occupants would have to use the cell phone/GPS installed in the car that would be a MAJOR revenue source for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798011</id>
	<title>Department of Redundancy Department</title>
	<author>R2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1255982520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glazed glass?</p><p>On a more pertinent note, this is what happens when you move away from a performance spec - instead of just saying "Fuel efficiency shall be X" and letting the makers figure out how to do it, they feel compelled to tell the makers HOW to get better mileage - with expected results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glazed glass ? On a more pertinent note , this is what happens when you move away from a performance spec - instead of just saying " Fuel efficiency shall be X " and letting the makers figure out how to do it , they feel compelled to tell the makers HOW to get better mileage - with expected results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glazed glass?On a more pertinent note, this is what happens when you move away from a performance spec - instead of just saying "Fuel efficiency shall be X" and letting the makers figure out how to do it, they feel compelled to tell the makers HOW to get better mileage - with expected results.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798123</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1255982940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff. Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we're not done here, yet.</i> <br> <br>Perhaps John Holdren is right, and we just need to sterilize the drinking water. Lets start with California, because obviously people = pollution, therefore we should just get rid of people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff .
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we 're not done here , yet .
Perhaps John Holdren is right , and we just need to sterilize the drinking water .
Lets start with California , because obviously people = pollution , therefore we should just get rid of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem... but we're not done here, yet.
Perhaps John Holdren is right, and we just need to sterilize the drinking water.
Lets start with California, because obviously people = pollution, therefore we should just get rid of people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799297</id>
	<title>I don't see a problem, even with Jeeps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255943520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After all, even Jeeps come with AC and anything to reduce the amount of heat getting into the car during the summer is a help. It might even reduce the fading and cracking that all plastic dashboards develop over the years from ultraviolet radiation. Besides -- isn't cell phone use while driving illegal now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , even Jeeps come with AC and anything to reduce the amount of heat getting into the car during the summer is a help .
It might even reduce the fading and cracking that all plastic dashboards develop over the years from ultraviolet radiation .
Besides -- is n't cell phone use while driving illegal now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, even Jeeps come with AC and anything to reduce the amount of heat getting into the car during the summer is a help.
It might even reduce the fading and cracking that all plastic dashboards develop over the years from ultraviolet radiation.
Besides -- isn't cell phone use while driving illegal now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798273</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1255983420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, what your car emits, I have to breathe.</p><p>Secondly, the reason they're mandating this is because the EPA doesn't take into account the energy to cool down a car that's been sitting in the sun when it assigns MPG ratings, so manufacturers have little incentive to reduce that problem, even though you have to burn a lot of extra energy to cool the car down when you get in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , what your car emits , I have to breathe.Secondly , the reason they 're mandating this is because the EPA does n't take into account the energy to cool down a car that 's been sitting in the sun when it assigns MPG ratings , so manufacturers have little incentive to reduce that problem , even though you have to burn a lot of extra energy to cool the car down when you get in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, what your car emits, I have to breathe.Secondly, the reason they're mandating this is because the EPA doesn't take into account the energy to cool down a car that's been sitting in the sun when it assigns MPG ratings, so manufacturers have little incentive to reduce that problem, even though you have to burn a lot of extra energy to cool the car down when you get in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799331</id>
	<title>Where are  your ideas?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255943640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised at much of the reaction to this topic. Slashdot is supposed to be home to a lot of good technical minds. So why is the dominant reaction to this article a general anti-government knee jerk? This is an engineering problem. Maybe there's a way to block the heating effects of light (very high frequency) while minimizing the attenuation of (much lower) radio frequencies.

Sounds like a fun challenge to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised at much of the reaction to this topic .
Slashdot is supposed to be home to a lot of good technical minds .
So why is the dominant reaction to this article a general anti-government knee jerk ?
This is an engineering problem .
Maybe there 's a way to block the heating effects of light ( very high frequency ) while minimizing the attenuation of ( much lower ) radio frequencies .
Sounds like a fun challenge to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised at much of the reaction to this topic.
Slashdot is supposed to be home to a lot of good technical minds.
So why is the dominant reaction to this article a general anti-government knee jerk?
This is an engineering problem.
Maybe there's a way to block the heating effects of light (very high frequency) while minimizing the attenuation of (much lower) radio frequencies.
Sounds like a fun challenge to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802589</id>
	<title>Re:Did any go to the CARB wbesite...</title>
	<author>jay2003</author>
	<datestamp>1255960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read their FAQ.  It's pretty obvious to me that CARB is going to break or at least substantially degrade E911 service:

</p><p> <i>Will my GPS still work?</i> <br>
for aftermarket GPS devices, deletion windows, or areas without reflective coatings, will be created in the windshield and the location of  these windows noted in the owner's manual.  ARB tests showed that <b>placing the GPS device or the external antenna within the deletion window</b> allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car  with no reflective glass.

</p><p> <i>Will E911 service on my cell phone be compromised by reflective glass? </i> <br>
E911 uses a combination of cell phone and GPS technology to direct emergency personnel to your location.  <b>Although ARB staff did not test E911 technology directly</b>, cell phone and GPS navigation  technology were tested separately and found to work in vehicles with reflective glass.  As a result,  staff does not expect E911 to be adversely affected by the Cool Cars regulation.

</p><p>So, E911 will work if I hold my phone up to the deletion window?  That sounds great for emergency situations, say after a car crash.  After an accident people are in shock so they are not going to think about holding their phone up to a deletion window so 911 knows where they are, that is if they are even able.

</p><p>Is it too much to ask that CARB actually test E911?  They tested cell phone use on one vehicle with wrap around reflective glass so it is absurd to say the know the impact of reflective glass on vehicles since there are many types of vehicles they did not test.

</p><p>CARB should be be sued in federal court for interfering with FCC mandates for E911.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read their FAQ .
It 's pretty obvious to me that CARB is going to break or at least substantially degrade E911 service : Will my GPS still work ?
for aftermarket GPS devices , deletion windows , or areas without reflective coatings , will be created in the windshield and the location of these windows noted in the owner 's manual .
ARB tests showed that placing the GPS device or the external antenna within the deletion window allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car with no reflective glass .
Will E911 service on my cell phone be compromised by reflective glass ?
E911 uses a combination of cell phone and GPS technology to direct emergency personnel to your location .
Although ARB staff did not test E911 technology directly , cell phone and GPS navigation technology were tested separately and found to work in vehicles with reflective glass .
As a result , staff does not expect E911 to be adversely affected by the Cool Cars regulation .
So , E911 will work if I hold my phone up to the deletion window ?
That sounds great for emergency situations , say after a car crash .
After an accident people are in shock so they are not going to think about holding their phone up to a deletion window so 911 knows where they are , that is if they are even able .
Is it too much to ask that CARB actually test E911 ?
They tested cell phone use on one vehicle with wrap around reflective glass so it is absurd to say the know the impact of reflective glass on vehicles since there are many types of vehicles they did not test .
CARB should be be sued in federal court for interfering with FCC mandates for E911 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read their FAQ.
It's pretty obvious to me that CARB is going to break or at least substantially degrade E911 service:

 Will my GPS still work?
for aftermarket GPS devices, deletion windows, or areas without reflective coatings, will be created in the windshield and the location of  these windows noted in the owner's manual.
ARB tests showed that placing the GPS device or the external antenna within the deletion window allows the device to operate as effectively as in a car  with no reflective glass.
Will E911 service on my cell phone be compromised by reflective glass?
E911 uses a combination of cell phone and GPS technology to direct emergency personnel to your location.
Although ARB staff did not test E911 technology directly, cell phone and GPS navigation  technology were tested separately and found to work in vehicles with reflective glass.
As a result,  staff does not expect E911 to be adversely affected by the Cool Cars regulation.
So, E911 will work if I hold my phone up to the deletion window?
That sounds great for emergency situations, say after a car crash.
After an accident people are in shock so they are not going to think about holding their phone up to a deletion window so 911 knows where they are, that is if they are even able.
Is it too much to ask that CARB actually test E911?
They tested cell phone use on one vehicle with wrap around reflective glass so it is absurd to say the know the impact of reflective glass on vehicles since there are many types of vehicles they did not test.
CARB should be be sued in federal court for interfering with FCC mandates for E911.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799841</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255945560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The part that worries me is that the signals from GPS anklets are blocked too.  Kind of defeats the laws about tracking offenders.</p><p>Supposedly Japan looked at this emission-blocking glass and gave up on the idea because it had too many drawbacks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The part that worries me is that the signals from GPS anklets are blocked too .
Kind of defeats the laws about tracking offenders.Supposedly Japan looked at this emission-blocking glass and gave up on the idea because it had too many drawbacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part that worries me is that the signals from GPS anklets are blocked too.
Kind of defeats the laws about tracking offenders.Supposedly Japan looked at this emission-blocking glass and gave up on the idea because it had too many drawbacks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798781</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>IndigoDarkwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1255984980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But at the same time, the CARB has done amazing things for California's air quality; there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff. Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem...</p></div><p>Getting rid of CARB, because it has obviously succeeded in its mission and is no longer useful at this point in time?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But at the same time , the CARB has done amazing things for California 's air quality ; there 's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff .
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem...Getting rid of CARB , because it has obviously succeeded in its mission and is no longer useful at this point in time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But at the same time, the CARB has done amazing things for California's air quality; there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.
Which highlights the NEXT phase of the problem...Getting rid of CARB, because it has obviously succeeded in its mission and is no longer useful at this point in time?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800063</id>
	<title>Ugh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255946580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This gets chalked up with the idea of painting all roads and roofs white.</p><p>Man-made climate change is nothing more than mass hysteria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This gets chalked up with the idea of painting all roads and roofs white.Man-made climate change is nothing more than mass hysteria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This gets chalked up with the idea of painting all roads and roofs white.Man-made climate change is nothing more than mass hysteria.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797841</id>
	<title>Hmm I wonder ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255981980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that I smell a market for some bendy bit of wire that sits on the outside of the car and funnels the radio waves to the inside compartment .  I might call it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <p>
[places pinky finger to mouth]</p><p>
An<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Aerial !!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that I smell a market for some bendy bit of wire that sits on the outside of the car and funnels the radio waves to the inside compartment .
I might call it .. . [ places pinky finger to mouth ] An .. Aerial ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that I smell a market for some bendy bit of wire that sits on the outside of the car and funnels the radio waves to the inside compartment .
I might call it ... 
[places pinky finger to mouth]
An .. Aerial !!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799695</id>
	<title>What is your point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255944960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded."</p><p>What is your point here? Many cars have external antenna's to boost the signal. And that is better for your health too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p><p>You should be very happy to live up there!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" That means radios , satellite radios , GPS , garage door openers , and cell phones will be severely degraded .
" What is your point here ?
Many cars have external antenna 's to boost the signal .
And that is better for your health too : ) .You should be very happy to live up there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded.
"What is your point here?
Many cars have external antenna's to boost the signal.
And that is better for your health too :).You should be very happy to live up there!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800049</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>Blain</author>
	<datestamp>1255946580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Remembering a 60s-ish science fiction story about pollution, and they called pollution from China "the Dragon's Breath," and, when that reached the West Coast, it meant that the world was basically done.<br><br>Hadn't heard the Dragon's Breath was here, though.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remembering a 60s-ish science fiction story about pollution , and they called pollution from China " the Dragon 's Breath , " and , when that reached the West Coast , it meant that the world was basically done.Had n't heard the Dragon 's Breath was here , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remembering a 60s-ish science fiction story about pollution, and they called pollution from China "the Dragon's Breath," and, when that reached the West Coast, it meant that the world was basically done.Hadn't heard the Dragon's Breath was here, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797811</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798691</id>
	<title>The law of unintended consequences</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1255984740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Put this glass in all cars, and people will then need to open their windows and/or sunroof to make a cell phone call or use their GPS. And of course, they then will have to crank up the A/C to compensate for the open windows! (Yes, I have driven convertibles with top down and heater on at the same time. Not the A/C, though.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Put this glass in all cars , and people will then need to open their windows and/or sunroof to make a cell phone call or use their GPS .
And of course , they then will have to crank up the A/C to compensate for the open windows !
( Yes , I have driven convertibles with top down and heater on at the same time .
Not the A/C , though .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put this glass in all cars, and people will then need to open their windows and/or sunroof to make a cell phone call or use their GPS.
And of course, they then will have to crank up the A/C to compensate for the open windows!
(Yes, I have driven convertibles with top down and heater on at the same time.
Not the A/C, though.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29803923</id>
	<title>I'll bet Arnold is behind this</title>
	<author>budgenator</author>
	<datestamp>1255971060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as it's one way to get Maria off that damned phone in the car!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as it 's one way to get Maria off that damned phone in the car !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as it's one way to get Maria off that damned phone in the car!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799321</id>
	<title>I don't care...</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1255943580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ride a motorcycle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br> <br>
(and I don't live in CA)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ride a motorcycle ; ) ( and I do n't live in CA )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ride a motorcycle ;) 
(and I don't live in CA)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29804023</id>
	<title>Driving.</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1255972020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't you be DRIVING YOUR CAR instead of worrying about what radio station you can hear or when that meeting is at work?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't you be DRIVING YOUR CAR instead of worrying about what radio station you can hear or when that meeting is at work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't you be DRIVING YOUR CAR instead of worrying about what radio station you can hear or when that meeting is at work?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800441</id>
	<title>CARB = Unchecked Oligarchy</title>
	<author>IHC Navistar</author>
	<datestamp>1255948200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CARB is the *ONLY* reason I keep my old diesel truck. The only other reason other than CARB is the fact that my truck simply will not die. It smokes (just legally), lacks expensive pollution control, is exempt from regulations restricting performance parts, and can easily be converted from 'polluting' (Ringelmann #2 or greater. I crank it up to #5 if I'm feeling especially vindictive) to 'legal' (Ringelmann #1 or less) whenever someone reports me to CARB for an "Excessively Smoking Vehicle". And yes, that is legal, just in case you were wondering. For all you Liberals out there screaming "Bloody murder!", think of this as a PROTEST in the form of civil disobedience against an unjust authority. Your types seem to be familiar with that, yet you can't seem to recognize one whenever they pop up and rear their ugly heads.</p><p>CARB has the authority to impose regulation at will. This coupled with the fact that despite the lead "scientist" for one of its new diesel regulations FAKED HIS CREDENTIALS yet they still voted for the new rules, shows that they are so corrupt and inept that even open fraud among their own is not enough to stop them. The fact that CARB will not allow fraud among one of its own to impede their decisions is reason enough to strip them of their authority to impose rules without a vote among those that they are regulating. This is akin to Congress acting without public votes or support, but with Congress Critters being appointed by the President for indefinite terms, and not voted into office by the people. Imagine how well *that* would go over.....</p><p>CARB's at-will regulation, willful disregard of internal corruption, and unchecked power over the citizenry is reason enough to strip them of their regulatory powers. However, CARB *should* be reduced to an advisory body, composed of TRUE SCIENTISTS that study proposed regulatory ideas for their effect, and advise voters to approve or disapprove proposed regulations. CARB is currently an Oligarchy; They propose and impose whatever regulations that they see fit at will, and the citizenry is required by law to follow those regulations under threat of penalty, be it a massive fine or imprisonment or BOTH.</p><p>Oh, and if any CARB sympathizers are reading this: NEENER NEENER NEE-NER! YOU CAN'T TOUCH ME! I'M POLLUTING AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME! SMOG CHECK? MAKE ME! GO AHEAD AND TRY!</p><p>Ahhhhh, juvenile moments are so refreshing.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CARB is the * ONLY * reason I keep my old diesel truck .
The only other reason other than CARB is the fact that my truck simply will not die .
It smokes ( just legally ) , lacks expensive pollution control , is exempt from regulations restricting performance parts , and can easily be converted from 'polluting ' ( Ringelmann # 2 or greater .
I crank it up to # 5 if I 'm feeling especially vindictive ) to 'legal ' ( Ringelmann # 1 or less ) whenever someone reports me to CARB for an " Excessively Smoking Vehicle " .
And yes , that is legal , just in case you were wondering .
For all you Liberals out there screaming " Bloody murder !
" , think of this as a PROTEST in the form of civil disobedience against an unjust authority .
Your types seem to be familiar with that , yet you ca n't seem to recognize one whenever they pop up and rear their ugly heads.CARB has the authority to impose regulation at will .
This coupled with the fact that despite the lead " scientist " for one of its new diesel regulations FAKED HIS CREDENTIALS yet they still voted for the new rules , shows that they are so corrupt and inept that even open fraud among their own is not enough to stop them .
The fact that CARB will not allow fraud among one of its own to impede their decisions is reason enough to strip them of their authority to impose rules without a vote among those that they are regulating .
This is akin to Congress acting without public votes or support , but with Congress Critters being appointed by the President for indefinite terms , and not voted into office by the people .
Imagine how well * that * would go over.....CARB 's at-will regulation , willful disregard of internal corruption , and unchecked power over the citizenry is reason enough to strip them of their regulatory powers .
However , CARB * should * be reduced to an advisory body , composed of TRUE SCIENTISTS that study proposed regulatory ideas for their effect , and advise voters to approve or disapprove proposed regulations .
CARB is currently an Oligarchy ; They propose and impose whatever regulations that they see fit at will , and the citizenry is required by law to follow those regulations under threat of penalty , be it a massive fine or imprisonment or BOTH.Oh , and if any CARB sympathizers are reading this : NEENER NEENER NEE-NER !
YOU CA N'T TOUCH ME !
I 'M POLLUTING AND YOU CA N'T STOP ME !
SMOG CHECK ?
MAKE ME !
GO AHEAD AND TRY ! Ahhhhh , juvenile moments are so refreshing.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CARB is the *ONLY* reason I keep my old diesel truck.
The only other reason other than CARB is the fact that my truck simply will not die.
It smokes (just legally), lacks expensive pollution control, is exempt from regulations restricting performance parts, and can easily be converted from 'polluting' (Ringelmann #2 or greater.
I crank it up to #5 if I'm feeling especially vindictive) to 'legal' (Ringelmann #1 or less) whenever someone reports me to CARB for an "Excessively Smoking Vehicle".
And yes, that is legal, just in case you were wondering.
For all you Liberals out there screaming "Bloody murder!
", think of this as a PROTEST in the form of civil disobedience against an unjust authority.
Your types seem to be familiar with that, yet you can't seem to recognize one whenever they pop up and rear their ugly heads.CARB has the authority to impose regulation at will.
This coupled with the fact that despite the lead "scientist" for one of its new diesel regulations FAKED HIS CREDENTIALS yet they still voted for the new rules, shows that they are so corrupt and inept that even open fraud among their own is not enough to stop them.
The fact that CARB will not allow fraud among one of its own to impede their decisions is reason enough to strip them of their authority to impose rules without a vote among those that they are regulating.
This is akin to Congress acting without public votes or support, but with Congress Critters being appointed by the President for indefinite terms, and not voted into office by the people.
Imagine how well *that* would go over.....CARB's at-will regulation, willful disregard of internal corruption, and unchecked power over the citizenry is reason enough to strip them of their regulatory powers.
However, CARB *should* be reduced to an advisory body, composed of TRUE SCIENTISTS that study proposed regulatory ideas for their effect, and advise voters to approve or disapprove proposed regulations.
CARB is currently an Oligarchy; They propose and impose whatever regulations that they see fit at will, and the citizenry is required by law to follow those regulations under threat of penalty, be it a massive fine or imprisonment or BOTH.Oh, and if any CARB sympathizers are reading this: NEENER NEENER NEE-NER!
YOU CAN'T TOUCH ME!
I'M POLLUTING AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME!
SMOG CHECK?
MAKE ME!
GO AHEAD AND TRY!Ahhhhh, juvenile moments are so refreshing.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802873</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1255962240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I moved to Cali years ago, I had to pay a penalty for my 49 states emission car that always beat CA's standards handily.  I live in IL and I can't buy a NE/CA emissions vehicle even though I am willing to pay for it.   Which makes less sense?</p><p>Illinois is run by the chicago mob, everything you said about CA applies here in spades!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I moved to Cali years ago , I had to pay a penalty for my 49 states emission car that always beat CA 's standards handily .
I live in IL and I ca n't buy a NE/CA emissions vehicle even though I am willing to pay for it .
Which makes less sense ? Illinois is run by the chicago mob , everything you said about CA applies here in spades !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I moved to Cali years ago, I had to pay a penalty for my 49 states emission car that always beat CA's standards handily.
I live in IL and I can't buy a NE/CA emissions vehicle even though I am willing to pay for it.
Which makes less sense?Illinois is run by the chicago mob, everything you said about CA applies here in spades!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29803043</id>
	<title>Hey Arnold...</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1255963620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have already invented a solution to this problem that doesn't block radios, cellphones and GPS.<br>Its called Window Tinting and it seems to work fine in most places on this planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have already invented a solution to this problem that does n't block radios , cellphones and GPS.Its called Window Tinting and it seems to work fine in most places on this planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have already invented a solution to this problem that doesn't block radios, cellphones and GPS.Its called Window Tinting and it seems to work fine in most places on this planet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29797747</id>
	<title>! surprising</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1255981620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.'"</p></div></blockquote><p>You must be new to bureaucracies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers , plastic windows , and no air conditioning .
' " You must be new to bureaucracies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.
'"You must be new to bureaucracies.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798987</id>
	<title>I've noticed this with a new Nissan</title>
	<author>Guysmiley777</author>
	<datestamp>1255985700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently bought a new car, a 2008 Nissan, and I noticed that the RF gate opener to get into my parking lot at work doesn't function now either. It works like the Tolltag / EZ pass badges where the card is not powered and is detected by an RFID like transceiver, now I have to roll down my window and wave the pass around like a moron to get in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently bought a new car , a 2008 Nissan , and I noticed that the RF gate opener to get into my parking lot at work does n't function now either .
It works like the Tolltag / EZ pass badges where the card is not powered and is detected by an RFID like transceiver , now I have to roll down my window and wave the pass around like a moron to get in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently bought a new car, a 2008 Nissan, and I noticed that the RF gate opener to get into my parking lot at work doesn't function now either.
It works like the Tolltag / EZ pass badges where the card is not powered and is detected by an RFID like transceiver, now I have to roll down my window and wave the pass around like a moron to get in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798915</id>
	<title>simple solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255985460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves.</p></div><p>There is a simple solution for this, it's called an exterior antenna.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves.There is a simple solution for this , it 's called an exterior antenna .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves.There is a simple solution for this, it's called an exterior antenna.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29803047</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255963620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought my current car in 2007, a particular little convertible that was in high demand (waited months for it actually), you couldn't buy it without california emission standards.</p><p>It was a line item on the sticker, but not optional or anything like that, I wasn't exactly car shopping so I didn't notice if other cars had it or not, I just kind of assumed they sold cars to that spec everywhere now to make things easier.</p><p>I don't really have a problem with it, its better for the environment and all that and its of almost no notice to me.  I realize I could strip a few things off and get a few more HP, but its not worth the effort without more upgrades.</p><p>The point to all this is, myself being almost anti-environmental (I just really hate environmentalist twits, not the environment), and I think CA Emissions are a good thing, considering the air quality out there, I wouldn't bitch to much if I were you, the loss of freedom on your car is liable to add a few years to your life.</p><p>If you dont like it, which I can understand your point, even if not this particular point, you can vote differently, or leave.  Plenty of other places are much more lax in their restrictions and nanny laws.  If everyone there wants it that way, its your problem, not theirs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my current car in 2007 , a particular little convertible that was in high demand ( waited months for it actually ) , you could n't buy it without california emission standards.It was a line item on the sticker , but not optional or anything like that , I was n't exactly car shopping so I did n't notice if other cars had it or not , I just kind of assumed they sold cars to that spec everywhere now to make things easier.I do n't really have a problem with it , its better for the environment and all that and its of almost no notice to me .
I realize I could strip a few things off and get a few more HP , but its not worth the effort without more upgrades.The point to all this is , myself being almost anti-environmental ( I just really hate environmentalist twits , not the environment ) , and I think CA Emissions are a good thing , considering the air quality out there , I would n't bitch to much if I were you , the loss of freedom on your car is liable to add a few years to your life.If you dont like it , which I can understand your point , even if not this particular point , you can vote differently , or leave .
Plenty of other places are much more lax in their restrictions and nanny laws .
If everyone there wants it that way , its your problem , not theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my current car in 2007, a particular little convertible that was in high demand (waited months for it actually), you couldn't buy it without california emission standards.It was a line item on the sticker, but not optional or anything like that, I wasn't exactly car shopping so I didn't notice if other cars had it or not, I just kind of assumed they sold cars to that spec everywhere now to make things easier.I don't really have a problem with it, its better for the environment and all that and its of almost no notice to me.
I realize I could strip a few things off and get a few more HP, but its not worth the effort without more upgrades.The point to all this is, myself being almost anti-environmental (I just really hate environmentalist twits, not the environment), and I think CA Emissions are a good thing, considering the air quality out there, I wouldn't bitch to much if I were you, the loss of freedom on your car is liable to add a few years to your life.If you dont like it, which I can understand your point, even if not this particular point, you can vote differently, or leave.
Plenty of other places are much more lax in their restrictions and nanny laws.
If everyone there wants it that way, its your problem, not theirs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798047</id>
	<title>Surprising</title>
	<author>c</author>
	<datestamp>1255982700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even<br>&gt; for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and<br>&gt; no air conditioning.</p><p>The alternative would be to leave a loophole in a rule intended to be followed by automotive corporations. Historically, that hasn't worked out so well.</p><p>c.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even &gt; for jeeps that have soft covers , plastic windows , and &gt; no air conditioning.The alternative would be to leave a loophole in a rule intended to be followed by automotive corporations .
Historically , that has n't worked out so well.c .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even&gt; for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and&gt; no air conditioning.The alternative would be to leave a loophole in a rule intended to be followed by automotive corporations.
Historically, that hasn't worked out so well.c.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802057</id>
	<title>Re:Did any go to the CARB wbesite...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That FAQ answers almost every objection that's been raised in the other posts.<br>Folks should really read that FAQ and stop whining so much...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That FAQ answers almost every objection that 's been raised in the other posts.Folks should really read that FAQ and stop whining so much.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That FAQ answers almost every objection that's been raised in the other posts.Folks should really read that FAQ and stop whining so much...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798819</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799141</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>shadowofwind</author>
	<datestamp>1255942980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.</p></div><p>???  You can not see east L.A. from where you live, apparently.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff. ? ? ?
You can not see east L.A. from where you live , apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.???
You can not see east L.A. from where you live, apparently.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798655</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1255984560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I'm all for environmental regulations, but they have be structured correctly. Mandate results, not particular technologies.</p><p>Remember the ban on incandescent light bulbs? It wasn't a ban on a particular technology, but a mandate for a certain level of efficiency. Manufacturers <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/07/0716247" title="slashdot.org">stepped up to the plate</a> [slashdot.org] and did what nobody expected: gave us improved incandescent bulbs that met the specifications! That's how it <b>should</b> work.</p><p>It'd be really easy to quantify the benefit that's expected from Low-E glass, too: just mandate minimum reflective over certain frequency ranges and let manufacturers figure out how to achieve it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I 'm all for environmental regulations , but they have be structured correctly .
Mandate results , not particular technologies.Remember the ban on incandescent light bulbs ?
It was n't a ban on a particular technology , but a mandate for a certain level of efficiency .
Manufacturers stepped up to the plate [ slashdot.org ] and did what nobody expected : gave us improved incandescent bulbs that met the specifications !
That 's how it should work.It 'd be really easy to quantify the benefit that 's expected from Low-E glass , too : just mandate minimum reflective over certain frequency ranges and let manufacturers figure out how to achieve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I'm all for environmental regulations, but they have be structured correctly.
Mandate results, not particular technologies.Remember the ban on incandescent light bulbs?
It wasn't a ban on a particular technology, but a mandate for a certain level of efficiency.
Manufacturers stepped up to the plate [slashdot.org] and did what nobody expected: gave us improved incandescent bulbs that met the specifications!
That's how it should work.It'd be really easy to quantify the benefit that's expected from Low-E glass, too: just mandate minimum reflective over certain frequency ranges and let manufacturers figure out how to achieve it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798631</id>
	<title>WTF ?</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1255984560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is "glazed glass" ? Is that glass that has glass in it ? <br>
<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;num=20&amp;q=glazed&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=cr\%3DcountryUK\%7CcountryGB" title="google.co.uk">http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;num=20&amp;q=glazed&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=cr\%3DcountryUK\%7CcountryGB</a> [google.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is " glazed glass " ?
Is that glass that has glass in it ?
http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? hl = en&amp;num = 20&amp;q = glazed&amp;btnG = Search&amp;meta = cr \ % 3DcountryUK \ % 7CcountryGB [ google.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is "glazed glass" ?
Is that glass that has glass in it ?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;num=20&amp;q=glazed&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=cr\%3DcountryUK\%7CcountryGB [google.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29815183</id>
	<title>Aerodynamics or Fractal Antennas?</title>
	<author>jriskin</author>
	<datestamp>1256035440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this really only effects devices that already don't have external antennas e.g. cell phones, aftermarket GPS devices and Radar Detectors. As soon as an automaker is required to include this, they'll also need to include a repeater for cellphones. Most cars will probably have built in GPS by the time this goes through, so that just leaves radar detectors, which will need external pickups.</p><p>For some reason I'm picturing cars with 3-4 different antenna nubs sticking out for cell, gps, fm, am, radar, satellite radio, etc... canceling out any real benefits.</p><p>Or alternatively, cheap fractal antennas with passive or active repeaters (although I would imagine active would ruin GPS timing).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this really only effects devices that already do n't have external antennas e.g .
cell phones , aftermarket GPS devices and Radar Detectors .
As soon as an automaker is required to include this , they 'll also need to include a repeater for cellphones .
Most cars will probably have built in GPS by the time this goes through , so that just leaves radar detectors , which will need external pickups.For some reason I 'm picturing cars with 3-4 different antenna nubs sticking out for cell , gps , fm , am , radar , satellite radio , etc... canceling out any real benefits.Or alternatively , cheap fractal antennas with passive or active repeaters ( although I would imagine active would ruin GPS timing ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this really only effects devices that already don't have external antennas e.g.
cell phones, aftermarket GPS devices and Radar Detectors.
As soon as an automaker is required to include this, they'll also need to include a repeater for cellphones.
Most cars will probably have built in GPS by the time this goes through, so that just leaves radar detectors, which will need external pickups.For some reason I'm picturing cars with 3-4 different antenna nubs sticking out for cell, gps, fm, am, radar, satellite radio, etc... canceling out any real benefits.Or alternatively, cheap fractal antennas with passive or active repeaters (although I would imagine active would ruin GPS timing).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799607</id>
	<title>If CARB wants us to save fuel..</title>
	<author>kpainter</author>
	<datestamp>1255944720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They would get rid of Ethanol.  My mileage is always better when I fill up in Nevada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They would get rid of Ethanol .
My mileage is always better when I fill up in Nevada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They would get rid of Ethanol.
My mileage is always better when I fill up in Nevada.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29805267</id>
	<title>Re:Did any go to the CARB wbesite...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256033280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also wrong. As someone else mentioned, the GPS receiver needs a full view of the sky.</p><p>I've been a passenger in one of these cars (virtually all french cars (Citro&#235;n, Peugeot,...) have had this kind of wind shield for several years). The "hole" where the coating is missing is where the rear view mirror is located, and thus useless. The side windows are supposed to be uncoated, but even when holding the receiver near the window, it still takes a long time to get a usable signal. This is when driving in the country with no buildings blocking the signal. I wouldn't expect any signal at all between buildings that only allow signals from straight above, combined with windows that only allows signal from a narrow angle to the side.</p><p>In my own car, I quickly get a full signal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also wrong .
As someone else mentioned , the GPS receiver needs a full view of the sky.I 've been a passenger in one of these cars ( virtually all french cars ( Citro   n , Peugeot,... ) have had this kind of wind shield for several years ) .
The " hole " where the coating is missing is where the rear view mirror is located , and thus useless .
The side windows are supposed to be uncoated , but even when holding the receiver near the window , it still takes a long time to get a usable signal .
This is when driving in the country with no buildings blocking the signal .
I would n't expect any signal at all between buildings that only allow signals from straight above , combined with windows that only allows signal from a narrow angle to the side.In my own car , I quickly get a full signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also wrong.
As someone else mentioned, the GPS receiver needs a full view of the sky.I've been a passenger in one of these cars (virtually all french cars (Citroën, Peugeot,...) have had this kind of wind shield for several years).
The "hole" where the coating is missing is where the rear view mirror is located, and thus useless.
The side windows are supposed to be uncoated, but even when holding the receiver near the window, it still takes a long time to get a usable signal.
This is when driving in the country with no buildings blocking the signal.
I wouldn't expect any signal at all between buildings that only allow signals from straight above, combined with windows that only allows signal from a narrow angle to the side.In my own car, I quickly get a full signal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799999</id>
	<title>don't worry</title>
	<author>z-j-y</author>
	<datestamp>1255946340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you can always move out of california.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can always move out of california .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can always move out of california.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29805249</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>Degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1256033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd argue that the intelligent regulation would be to mandate some sort of cooling based on internal temperature differential.  Once passenger compartment gets to be some percentage hotter than the outside air, the cooling mechanism kicks in to bring the internal temp to parity with the external temp.</p><p>1) Instead of mandating which technology to use, you are mandating results.  The free market (and the engineers that work in them) will eventually figure out the best solution.  (I think a little exhaust fan that runs off the battery would do it, although you can already get the Toyota Prius with a $3,000 option to add solar cells to the roof to run the fan and charge the battery).</p><p>2) Has to potential to stop heat death from infants / animals left in sealed passenger compartments.</p><p>3) The idea that glass will keep the car cool is only good for a <b>very</b> small percentage of trips.  That it is enough to matter is a stupid idea.</p><p>Seriously: how much heat had to build up that you are wasting a <b>significant</b> amount of gasoline to cool the car down?</p><p>That is a rhetorical question, as I live in California's Central Valley.  It gets so hot here, that jokes are: "You know you're from Fresno when people with black cars or upholstery are assumed to be from out-of-town."  "You know you're from Fresno when you think someone driving wearing oven mitts is clever." "You know you're from Fresno when you discover, in July, it only takes two fingers to drive your car."  "You know you're from Fresno when the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance." "You know you're from Fresno when you can say 115 degrees without fainting."  (There are many more, though they probably pertain as well to Phoenix as to Fresno).</p><p>Anyway - yes, I've driven the car when it is OMG hot, and the airco had to work far longer to cool down the car.  On a normal hot day, the car takes 5 - 10 minutes to cool down. On the OMG hot days, it takes 15 - 30 minutes to cool down.</p><p>A) The OMG hot days only happen 20 days a year (about 5\%).</p><p>B) The OMG hot car happens when you leave your car out in the sun ALL DAY.  While at work, or you aren't smart enough to put the car in the garage, whatever - the car has to sit in the hot sun for HOURS to get so hot that the airco has the heat overload problem.</p><p>This glass isn't some magic that reverses the laws of thermodynamics.  If you leave the car out in the sun for HOURS, it is still going to get OMFG hot.  It may take longer with the new glass, but it will still happen.</p><p>So the real case for this 'solution' only solves the problem where the car was first cool AND THEN goes out into the OMG heat (5\% of the days) AND THEN only stays in the heat a short enough time that the delaying factor of the new glass matters.</p><p>Way to swat a fly with a sledgehammer CARB.  You are a bunch of dolts on a power trip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd argue that the intelligent regulation would be to mandate some sort of cooling based on internal temperature differential .
Once passenger compartment gets to be some percentage hotter than the outside air , the cooling mechanism kicks in to bring the internal temp to parity with the external temp.1 ) Instead of mandating which technology to use , you are mandating results .
The free market ( and the engineers that work in them ) will eventually figure out the best solution .
( I think a little exhaust fan that runs off the battery would do it , although you can already get the Toyota Prius with a $ 3,000 option to add solar cells to the roof to run the fan and charge the battery ) .2 ) Has to potential to stop heat death from infants / animals left in sealed passenger compartments.3 ) The idea that glass will keep the car cool is only good for a very small percentage of trips .
That it is enough to matter is a stupid idea.Seriously : how much heat had to build up that you are wasting a significant amount of gasoline to cool the car down ? That is a rhetorical question , as I live in California 's Central Valley .
It gets so hot here , that jokes are : " You know you 're from Fresno when people with black cars or upholstery are assumed to be from out-of-town .
" " You know you 're from Fresno when you think someone driving wearing oven mitts is clever .
" " You know you 're from Fresno when you discover , in July , it only takes two fingers to drive your car .
" " You know you 're from Fresno when the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance .
" " You know you 're from Fresno when you can say 115 degrees without fainting .
" ( There are many more , though they probably pertain as well to Phoenix as to Fresno ) .Anyway - yes , I 've driven the car when it is OMG hot , and the airco had to work far longer to cool down the car .
On a normal hot day , the car takes 5 - 10 minutes to cool down .
On the OMG hot days , it takes 15 - 30 minutes to cool down.A ) The OMG hot days only happen 20 days a year ( about 5 \ % ) .B ) The OMG hot car happens when you leave your car out in the sun ALL DAY .
While at work , or you are n't smart enough to put the car in the garage , whatever - the car has to sit in the hot sun for HOURS to get so hot that the airco has the heat overload problem.This glass is n't some magic that reverses the laws of thermodynamics .
If you leave the car out in the sun for HOURS , it is still going to get OMFG hot .
It may take longer with the new glass , but it will still happen.So the real case for this 'solution ' only solves the problem where the car was first cool AND THEN goes out into the OMG heat ( 5 \ % of the days ) AND THEN only stays in the heat a short enough time that the delaying factor of the new glass matters.Way to swat a fly with a sledgehammer CARB .
You are a bunch of dolts on a power trip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd argue that the intelligent regulation would be to mandate some sort of cooling based on internal temperature differential.
Once passenger compartment gets to be some percentage hotter than the outside air, the cooling mechanism kicks in to bring the internal temp to parity with the external temp.1) Instead of mandating which technology to use, you are mandating results.
The free market (and the engineers that work in them) will eventually figure out the best solution.
(I think a little exhaust fan that runs off the battery would do it, although you can already get the Toyota Prius with a $3,000 option to add solar cells to the roof to run the fan and charge the battery).2) Has to potential to stop heat death from infants / animals left in sealed passenger compartments.3) The idea that glass will keep the car cool is only good for a very small percentage of trips.
That it is enough to matter is a stupid idea.Seriously: how much heat had to build up that you are wasting a significant amount of gasoline to cool the car down?That is a rhetorical question, as I live in California's Central Valley.
It gets so hot here, that jokes are: "You know you're from Fresno when people with black cars or upholstery are assumed to be from out-of-town.
"  "You know you're from Fresno when you think someone driving wearing oven mitts is clever.
" "You know you're from Fresno when you discover, in July, it only takes two fingers to drive your car.
"  "You know you're from Fresno when the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance.
" "You know you're from Fresno when you can say 115 degrees without fainting.
"  (There are many more, though they probably pertain as well to Phoenix as to Fresno).Anyway - yes, I've driven the car when it is OMG hot, and the airco had to work far longer to cool down the car.
On a normal hot day, the car takes 5 - 10 minutes to cool down.
On the OMG hot days, it takes 15 - 30 minutes to cool down.A) The OMG hot days only happen 20 days a year (about 5\%).B) The OMG hot car happens when you leave your car out in the sun ALL DAY.
While at work, or you aren't smart enough to put the car in the garage, whatever - the car has to sit in the hot sun for HOURS to get so hot that the airco has the heat overload problem.This glass isn't some magic that reverses the laws of thermodynamics.
If you leave the car out in the sun for HOURS, it is still going to get OMFG hot.
It may take longer with the new glass, but it will still happen.So the real case for this 'solution' only solves the problem where the car was first cool AND THEN goes out into the OMG heat (5\% of the days) AND THEN only stays in the heat a short enough time that the delaying factor of the new glass matters.Way to swat a fly with a sledgehammer CARB.
You are a bunch of dolts on a power trip.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799689</id>
	<title>Yes, but does this mean that we don't have to wear</title>
	<author>the\_rajah</author>
	<datestamp>1255944960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>our tinfoil hats when we're in the new cars? Sounds like a big plus to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>our tinfoil hats when we 're in the new cars ?
Sounds like a big plus to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our tinfoil hats when we're in the new cars?
Sounds like a big plus to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799629</id>
	<title>Brought to you by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255944780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brought to you by the same morons who wanted to ban dark colored vehicles.  Nuff said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brought to you by the same morons who wanted to ban dark colored vehicles .
Nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brought to you by the same morons who wanted to ban dark colored vehicles.
Nuff said.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798239</id>
	<title>Hence raising California's albedo.....</title>
	<author>magbottle</author>
	<datestamp>1255983300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>making even more likely to attract alien invasion....</p><p>"garble garble...Ooooooh....shiny"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>making even more likely to attract alien invasion.... " garble garble...Ooooooh....shiny "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>making even more likely to attract alien invasion...."garble garble...Ooooooh....shiny"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799853</id>
	<title>Lawsuit waiting to happen</title>
	<author>TechnologyResource</author>
	<datestamp>1255945620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens when someone is trapped inside their vehicle and can't call 911 for help?  This is a lawsuit waiting to happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when someone is trapped inside their vehicle and ca n't call 911 for help ?
This is a lawsuit waiting to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when someone is trapped inside their vehicle and can't call 911 for help?
This is a lawsuit waiting to happen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799447</id>
	<title>Re:If I lived in Cali...</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1255944120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you ever move to California, do exactly that.  Then try to register it as a resident.</p><p>I've never lived in California, but I have a hard time believing they would allow such a loophole.  I expect the conversation would go something like this:</p><p>You: "Hi, I just bought a car and I'd like to register it, please."<br>DMV:  "Great.  Congrats.  So let's see the paperwork, please."  (shuffles paperwork).  "Hmm, you a resident of California?"<br>You:  "Yes"<br>DMV:  "OK, you are aware that you needed to buy the California package as a resident of California for a car you intend to use here, right?"<br>You: "Yes, that's why I drove across state lines, to avoid that and California's use tax on vehicles."<br>DMV:  "Ah, I think we have the problem sorted!  OK, great, we can register that for you.  Just take it to a local shop and pay the extra $250 for the gear we require, plus of course $1000 labor to install it, and please be aware this probably voids your warranty, though that's between you and the auto manufacturer.  Then, remit the California use taxes that a California dealer would have been aware of and withheld for you, as opposed to the Nevada use taxes you paid which I'm sure Nevada is thrilled for the donation you just gave them."</p><p>All you'd be doing is driving across state lines and, in effect, donating a second dose use tax to another state and upgrading the vaseline with expensive sand.</p><p>When I moved from Tax-Free New Hampshire to Kentucky some years back, I had to pay use tax on the Kelly Blue Book value of all of the cars I "imported" into Kentucky, even though the cars were purchased BEFORE I WAS A RESIDENT and I had paid all of the fees (only none of them were called "use tax") when I purchased the vehicles originally.  The total came to well over two thousand dollars for a 4-year-old car and a 2-year-old car.</p><p>When I moved to Maine, I had to show proof of payment of that use tax to Kentucky and, as a new resident, I was allowed a one-time exemption for my two vehicles since I had paid Use Tax in another state whose rate was as high as or higher than Maine's.  If Kentucky's had been lower, I would have been on the hook for the difference.  I was also informed that if I purchased a car outside the state once I became a resident, I'd have to pay full Maine use tax.  Fortunately, Kentucky and Maine have "reciprocal agreements" in place, because if I'd moved to some states I would have owed use taxes all over again.</p><p>Neither of my cars had the California Package, which Maine requires, but I was still allowed to import them because they were not purchased in Maine and I was not a resident at the time of purchase, so the law did not apply to me.  However, I would have trouble registering a new car purchased in another state if it lacked that package.</p><p>Better option:  Don't move to California.  Or declare your legal residence as Florida and register your cars there, then buy a mailstop address there.  IANAL, so that may or may not be technically legal in your state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ever move to California , do exactly that .
Then try to register it as a resident.I 've never lived in California , but I have a hard time believing they would allow such a loophole .
I expect the conversation would go something like this : You : " Hi , I just bought a car and I 'd like to register it , please .
" DMV : " Great .
Congrats. So let 's see the paperwork , please .
" ( shuffles paperwork ) .
" Hmm , you a resident of California ?
" You : " Yes " DMV : " OK , you are aware that you needed to buy the California package as a resident of California for a car you intend to use here , right ?
" You : " Yes , that 's why I drove across state lines , to avoid that and California 's use tax on vehicles .
" DMV : " Ah , I think we have the problem sorted !
OK , great , we can register that for you .
Just take it to a local shop and pay the extra $ 250 for the gear we require , plus of course $ 1000 labor to install it , and please be aware this probably voids your warranty , though that 's between you and the auto manufacturer .
Then , remit the California use taxes that a California dealer would have been aware of and withheld for you , as opposed to the Nevada use taxes you paid which I 'm sure Nevada is thrilled for the donation you just gave them .
" All you 'd be doing is driving across state lines and , in effect , donating a second dose use tax to another state and upgrading the vaseline with expensive sand.When I moved from Tax-Free New Hampshire to Kentucky some years back , I had to pay use tax on the Kelly Blue Book value of all of the cars I " imported " into Kentucky , even though the cars were purchased BEFORE I WAS A RESIDENT and I had paid all of the fees ( only none of them were called " use tax " ) when I purchased the vehicles originally .
The total came to well over two thousand dollars for a 4-year-old car and a 2-year-old car.When I moved to Maine , I had to show proof of payment of that use tax to Kentucky and , as a new resident , I was allowed a one-time exemption for my two vehicles since I had paid Use Tax in another state whose rate was as high as or higher than Maine 's .
If Kentucky 's had been lower , I would have been on the hook for the difference .
I was also informed that if I purchased a car outside the state once I became a resident , I 'd have to pay full Maine use tax .
Fortunately , Kentucky and Maine have " reciprocal agreements " in place , because if I 'd moved to some states I would have owed use taxes all over again.Neither of my cars had the California Package , which Maine requires , but I was still allowed to import them because they were not purchased in Maine and I was not a resident at the time of purchase , so the law did not apply to me .
However , I would have trouble registering a new car purchased in another state if it lacked that package.Better option : Do n't move to California .
Or declare your legal residence as Florida and register your cars there , then buy a mailstop address there .
IANAL , so that may or may not be technically legal in your state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you ever move to California, do exactly that.
Then try to register it as a resident.I've never lived in California, but I have a hard time believing they would allow such a loophole.
I expect the conversation would go something like this:You: "Hi, I just bought a car and I'd like to register it, please.
"DMV:  "Great.
Congrats.  So let's see the paperwork, please.
"  (shuffles paperwork).
"Hmm, you a resident of California?
"You:  "Yes"DMV:  "OK, you are aware that you needed to buy the California package as a resident of California for a car you intend to use here, right?
"You: "Yes, that's why I drove across state lines, to avoid that and California's use tax on vehicles.
"DMV:  "Ah, I think we have the problem sorted!
OK, great, we can register that for you.
Just take it to a local shop and pay the extra $250 for the gear we require, plus of course $1000 labor to install it, and please be aware this probably voids your warranty, though that's between you and the auto manufacturer.
Then, remit the California use taxes that a California dealer would have been aware of and withheld for you, as opposed to the Nevada use taxes you paid which I'm sure Nevada is thrilled for the donation you just gave them.
"All you'd be doing is driving across state lines and, in effect, donating a second dose use tax to another state and upgrading the vaseline with expensive sand.When I moved from Tax-Free New Hampshire to Kentucky some years back, I had to pay use tax on the Kelly Blue Book value of all of the cars I "imported" into Kentucky, even though the cars were purchased BEFORE I WAS A RESIDENT and I had paid all of the fees (only none of them were called "use tax") when I purchased the vehicles originally.
The total came to well over two thousand dollars for a 4-year-old car and a 2-year-old car.When I moved to Maine, I had to show proof of payment of that use tax to Kentucky and, as a new resident, I was allowed a one-time exemption for my two vehicles since I had paid Use Tax in another state whose rate was as high as or higher than Maine's.
If Kentucky's had been lower, I would have been on the hook for the difference.
I was also informed that if I purchased a car outside the state once I became a resident, I'd have to pay full Maine use tax.
Fortunately, Kentucky and Maine have "reciprocal agreements" in place, because if I'd moved to some states I would have owed use taxes all over again.Neither of my cars had the California Package, which Maine requires, but I was still allowed to import them because they were not purchased in Maine and I was not a resident at the time of purchase, so the law did not apply to me.
However, I would have trouble registering a new car purchased in another state if it lacked that package.Better option:  Don't move to California.
Or declare your legal residence as Florida and register your cars there, then buy a mailstop address there.
IANAL, so that may or may not be technically legal in your state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801681</id>
	<title>Wireless repeaters?</title>
	<author>kimgkimg</author>
	<datestamp>1255954680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think they just created a new market...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they just created a new market.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they just created a new market...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802811</id>
	<title>California May Ban Black Cars</title>
	<author>Coolhand2120</author>
	<datestamp>1255961640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're already talking about banning dark color cars:
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/26/AR2009032603316.html" title="washingtonpost.com">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/26/AR2009032603316.html</a> [washingtonpost.com]
<br>
While at the same time mandating that we only use darker color paints:
<a href="http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/draft\_regs\_coolcars\_032709.pdf" title="ca.gov">http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/draft\_regs\_coolcars\_032709.pdf</a> [ca.gov]
<br>
<br>
My big problem with all this behavior legislation is that I want a black sports car because it makes me happy, and I'm willing to pay a lot of extra money in order to get it.  The government of a free country should not stop that pursuit.  The stupid car is <i>supposed</i> to get poor MPG!  It's a damn race car!  And it's black because black is the best color and I'll keep driving black race cars until they make a darker color race car.  It costs <i>me</i> more money not <i>you</i>.  So stay the hell outa my business!</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're already talking about banning dark color cars : http : //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/26/AR2009032603316.html [ washingtonpost.com ] While at the same time mandating that we only use darker color paints : http : //www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/draft \ _regs \ _coolcars \ _032709.pdf [ ca.gov ] My big problem with all this behavior legislation is that I want a black sports car because it makes me happy , and I 'm willing to pay a lot of extra money in order to get it .
The government of a free country should not stop that pursuit .
The stupid car is supposed to get poor MPG !
It 's a damn race car !
And it 's black because black is the best color and I 'll keep driving black race cars until they make a darker color race car .
It costs me more money not you .
So stay the hell outa my business !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're already talking about banning dark color cars:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/26/AR2009032603316.html [washingtonpost.com]

While at the same time mandating that we only use darker color paints:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/draft\_regs\_coolcars\_032709.pdf [ca.gov]


My big problem with all this behavior legislation is that I want a black sports car because it makes me happy, and I'm willing to pay a lot of extra money in order to get it.
The government of a free country should not stop that pursuit.
The stupid car is supposed to get poor MPG!
It's a damn race car!
And it's black because black is the best color and I'll keep driving black race cars until they make a darker color race car.
It costs me more money not you.
So stay the hell outa my business!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800299</id>
	<title>Re:CARB, necessary evil</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1255947600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed - we as consumers have the right to use however much energy we decide to purchase.</p><p>"There's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff."<br>Our air quality tests don't differentiate where its home-grown pollution or Chinese pollution. We Californians are having to pay for Chinese pollution! We lose our jobs to Chinese labor, and are children are put in harms way from Chinese manufacturing practices.</p><p>Additionally, there are other ramifications to this glass:<br>- Special glass means an increase in manufacturing costs, which means an increase in cost to the consumer,<br>- Higher price tag on the car due to special glass means higher CA registrations fees<br>- Special glass means glass repairs will be more costly to glass repair companies now that they will have to stock more than one type of glass<br>- Special glass means the glass repair will be more costly to the consumer, thus the poorer consumers will drive longer with glass that is damaged and possibly obstructs their view or causes the Heating/AC system to run ineffitiently</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed - we as consumers have the right to use however much energy we decide to purchase .
" There 's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff .
" Our air quality tests do n't differentiate where its home-grown pollution or Chinese pollution .
We Californians are having to pay for Chinese pollution !
We lose our jobs to Chinese labor , and are children are put in harms way from Chinese manufacturing practices.Additionally , there are other ramifications to this glass : - Special glass means an increase in manufacturing costs , which means an increase in cost to the consumer,- Higher price tag on the car due to special glass means higher CA registrations fees- Special glass means glass repairs will be more costly to glass repair companies now that they will have to stock more than one type of glass- Special glass means the glass repair will be more costly to the consumer , thus the poorer consumers will drive longer with glass that is damaged and possibly obstructs their view or causes the Heating/AC system to run ineffitiently</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed - we as consumers have the right to use however much energy we decide to purchase.
"There's more Chinese pollution in LA now than the local stuff.
"Our air quality tests don't differentiate where its home-grown pollution or Chinese pollution.
We Californians are having to pay for Chinese pollution!
We lose our jobs to Chinese labor, and are children are put in harms way from Chinese manufacturing practices.Additionally, there are other ramifications to this glass:- Special glass means an increase in manufacturing costs, which means an increase in cost to the consumer,- Higher price tag on the car due to special glass means higher CA registrations fees- Special glass means glass repairs will be more costly to glass repair companies now that they will have to stock more than one type of glass- Special glass means the glass repair will be more costly to the consumer, thus the poorer consumers will drive longer with glass that is damaged and possibly obstructs their view or causes the Heating/AC system to run ineffitiently</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799187</id>
	<title>Re:I guess this article had its intended effect...</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1255943160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're going to be complaining too when you're paying more for your next car. Automakers might not be happy about the prospect but not because they're the ones paying for it. They will just pass the cost onto the consumer. They're concerned because higher prices will mean fewer sales.</p><p>And what's unusual about this being printed in a Detroit newspaper? This directly affects the auto industry and obviously people in the industry are the ones most interested in this news. It's not a conspiracy, it's common sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're going to be complaining too when you 're paying more for your next car .
Automakers might not be happy about the prospect but not because they 're the ones paying for it .
They will just pass the cost onto the consumer .
They 're concerned because higher prices will mean fewer sales.And what 's unusual about this being printed in a Detroit newspaper ?
This directly affects the auto industry and obviously people in the industry are the ones most interested in this news .
It 's not a conspiracy , it 's common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're going to be complaining too when you're paying more for your next car.
Automakers might not be happy about the prospect but not because they're the ones paying for it.
They will just pass the cost onto the consumer.
They're concerned because higher prices will mean fewer sales.And what's unusual about this being printed in a Detroit newspaper?
This directly affects the auto industry and obviously people in the industry are the ones most interested in this news.
It's not a conspiracy, it's common sense.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802629</id>
	<title>Re:Did any go to the CARB wbesite...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, since the GPS needs to 'see' the sats its listening too, that would require that the 'deletion window' have a completely unobstructed view of the entire sky<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I guess this deletion window is a little bubble on the roof or something?</p><p>Its rather silly to trust stuff you find like that on a website promoting the thing.  They will NEVER point out the downsides and will ALWAYS downplay those downsides, sometimes to the point of being completely misleading.</p><p>Fortunately, even though its metal, enough signal will still get through the roof to keep your GPS working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , since the GPS needs to 'see ' the sats its listening too , that would require that the 'deletion window ' have a completely unobstructed view of the entire sky ... I guess this deletion window is a little bubble on the roof or something ? Its rather silly to trust stuff you find like that on a website promoting the thing .
They will NEVER point out the downsides and will ALWAYS downplay those downsides , sometimes to the point of being completely misleading.Fortunately , even though its metal , enough signal will still get through the roof to keep your GPS working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, since the GPS needs to 'see' the sats its listening too, that would require that the 'deletion window' have a completely unobstructed view of the entire sky ... I guess this deletion window is a little bubble on the roof or something?Its rather silly to trust stuff you find like that on a website promoting the thing.
They will NEVER point out the downsides and will ALWAYS downplay those downsides, sometimes to the point of being completely misleading.Fortunately, even though its metal, enough signal will still get through the roof to keep your GPS working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798387</id>
	<title>Worth it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255983720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p>Air conditioning burns more gasoline and contributes to greenhouse gas emissions. California says its regulation will save 700,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2020, which is equivalent to taking 140,000 cars off the road for a year.</p><p>140,000 cars off the road...in a state with pop. 36M?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Air conditioning burns more gasoline and contributes to greenhouse gas emissions .
California says its regulation will save 700,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2020 , which is equivalent to taking 140,000 cars off the road for a year.140,000 cars off the road...in a state with pop .
36M ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Air conditioning burns more gasoline and contributes to greenhouse gas emissions.
California says its regulation will save 700,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2020, which is equivalent to taking 140,000 cars off the road for a year.140,000 cars off the road...in a state with pop.
36M?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798227</id>
	<title>Attention People of California</title>
	<author>grasshoppa</author>
	<datestamp>1255983300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your government is defective.  Huge budget deficits, stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.</p><p>Living here, I vote we rip up the state's constitution and start fresh.  The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your government is defective .
Huge budget deficits , stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.Living here , I vote we rip up the state 's constitution and start fresh .
The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your government is defective.
Huge budget deficits, stealing from local cities and counties and flawed regulations being rammed through the legislative process.Living here, I vote we rip up the state's constitution and start fresh.
The first step is ousting the assholes currently in charge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802515</id>
	<title>awl bee bawk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255959480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy friking shiznits! get me out of this friking state jeeze outlaw black cars ti this. Why cant we get rid of these f#$ktards!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy friking shiznits !
get me out of this friking state jeeze outlaw black cars ti this .
Why cant we get rid of these f # $ ktards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy friking shiznits!
get me out of this friking state jeeze outlaw black cars ti this.
Why cant we get rid of these f#$ktards!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29804201</id>
	<title>Misses the point - reception is outside (!)</title>
	<author>giladpn</author>
	<datestamp>1255974540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reception for things like radios is a EXTERNAL antenna on the car. Same is true if you've properly installed a stand for your mobile phone.

As for your remote-control for opening the parking gate, that is so short range I doubt it will be affected (and you can always open the window).

Sorry, this alarmist report sounds like nonsense to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reception for things like radios is a EXTERNAL antenna on the car .
Same is true if you 've properly installed a stand for your mobile phone .
As for your remote-control for opening the parking gate , that is so short range I doubt it will be affected ( and you can always open the window ) .
Sorry , this alarmist report sounds like nonsense to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reception for things like radios is a EXTERNAL antenna on the car.
Same is true if you've properly installed a stand for your mobile phone.
As for your remote-control for opening the parking gate, that is so short range I doubt it will be affected (and you can always open the window).
Sorry, this alarmist report sounds like nonsense to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799557</id>
	<title>CARB is synonymous to SCO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255944540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CARB "scientists" aren't really considered as scientists by real scientists.<br>Shoot, even one of the "scientists" from CARB <a href="http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/apr/25/lz1ed25top192452-air-board-knew/?uniontrib" title="signonsandiego.com">faked his credentials</a> [signonsandiego.com].</p><p>CARB's also behind MTBE which nationally was mandated by the Federal Clean Air Act of 1990 but was predated by California's own state law, California Clean Air Act of 1988.<br>And as early as 1986, there was a scientific report that stated that MTBE was a "bad cookie" (finding the exact copy is a tad difficult but it is referred by the USGS in a <a href="http://sd.water.usgs.gov/nawqa/pubs/ofr/ofr95.456/ofr.html" title="usgs.gov">1993 report</a> [usgs.gov])</p><p>A major local (to the Bay Area) opponent to CARB is <a href="http://www.kgoradio.com/sectional.asp?id=33179" title="kgoradio.com">Dr. Bill Wattenburg</a> [kgoradio.com] (an older version of his site is <a href="http://www.kgoam810.com/djadditionalinformation.asp?djid=3552" title="kgoam810.com">here</a> [kgoam810.com])</p><p>And apparently, CARB wants to require <a href="http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/draft\_regs\_coolcars\_032709.pdf" title="ca.gov">particular" paints</a> [ca.gov] (PDF) and barring any scientific/engineering breakthrough, that probably means dark colored cars (black, dark blues, etc.)</p><p>And dang, CARB's budget for <a href="http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/StateAgencyBudgets/3890/3900/department.html" title="ca.gov">2009-2010 is over 600 million</a> [ca.gov], just the imagine how many teachers would have been spared lay-offs...or how many professors, TAs, faculty at UC/CSU schools would have been spared from furloughs.</p><p>Not to forget the <a href="http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/030038.html" title="signonsandiego.com">CARB vs Diesel fiasco</a> [signonsandiego.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CARB " scientists " are n't really considered as scientists by real scientists.Shoot , even one of the " scientists " from CARB faked his credentials [ signonsandiego.com ] .CARB 's also behind MTBE which nationally was mandated by the Federal Clean Air Act of 1990 but was predated by California 's own state law , California Clean Air Act of 1988.And as early as 1986 , there was a scientific report that stated that MTBE was a " bad cookie " ( finding the exact copy is a tad difficult but it is referred by the USGS in a 1993 report [ usgs.gov ] ) A major local ( to the Bay Area ) opponent to CARB is Dr. Bill Wattenburg [ kgoradio.com ] ( an older version of his site is here [ kgoam810.com ] ) And apparently , CARB wants to require particular " paints [ ca.gov ] ( PDF ) and barring any scientific/engineering breakthrough , that probably means dark colored cars ( black , dark blues , etc .
) And dang , CARB 's budget for 2009-2010 is over 600 million [ ca.gov ] , just the imagine how many teachers would have been spared lay-offs...or how many professors , TAs , faculty at UC/CSU schools would have been spared from furloughs.Not to forget the CARB vs Diesel fiasco [ signonsandiego.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CARB "scientists" aren't really considered as scientists by real scientists.Shoot, even one of the "scientists" from CARB faked his credentials [signonsandiego.com].CARB's also behind MTBE which nationally was mandated by the Federal Clean Air Act of 1990 but was predated by California's own state law, California Clean Air Act of 1988.And as early as 1986, there was a scientific report that stated that MTBE was a "bad cookie" (finding the exact copy is a tad difficult but it is referred by the USGS in a 1993 report [usgs.gov])A major local (to the Bay Area) opponent to CARB is Dr. Bill Wattenburg [kgoradio.com] (an older version of his site is here [kgoam810.com])And apparently, CARB wants to require particular" paints [ca.gov] (PDF) and barring any scientific/engineering breakthrough, that probably means dark colored cars (black, dark blues, etc.
)And dang, CARB's budget for 2009-2010 is over 600 million [ca.gov], just the imagine how many teachers would have been spared lay-offs...or how many professors, TAs, faculty at UC/CSU schools would have been spared from furloughs.Not to forget the CARB vs Diesel fiasco [signonsandiego.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29804197</id>
	<title>RFID Chips blocked by this glass??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255974480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will these windows block the RFID chips that these same sort of bureaucrats will later mandate we have implanted in us for tracking purposes? Seems like they are causing a new problem for future bureaucrats to solve. LOL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will these windows block the RFID chips that these same sort of bureaucrats will later mandate we have implanted in us for tracking purposes ?
Seems like they are causing a new problem for future bureaucrats to solve .
LOL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will these windows block the RFID chips that these same sort of bureaucrats will later mandate we have implanted in us for tracking purposes?
Seems like they are causing a new problem for future bureaucrats to solve.
LOL</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798595</id>
	<title>Ban Air Conditioning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255984440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lighter car. Less fuel consumption. No CFCs. Fewer people going on useless trips. Old air-conditioned cars will eventually become collectors items.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lighter car .
Less fuel consumption .
No CFCs .
Fewer people going on useless trips .
Old air-conditioned cars will eventually become collectors items .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lighter car.
Less fuel consumption.
No CFCs.
Fewer people going on useless trips.
Old air-conditioned cars will eventually become collectors items.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29801045</id>
	<title>Re:Attention People of California</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1255951200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best thing Schwarzenegger ever got passed was the  bill to have districts redrawn by a panel of independent judges, not the legislature.  That alone will begin getting the assholes out.<br> <br>
Although it should be noted that California has term limits, and they haven't really helped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing Schwarzenegger ever got passed was the bill to have districts redrawn by a panel of independent judges , not the legislature .
That alone will begin getting the assholes out .
Although it should be noted that California has term limits , and they have n't really helped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing Schwarzenegger ever got passed was the  bill to have districts redrawn by a panel of independent judges, not the legislature.
That alone will begin getting the assholes out.
Although it should be noted that California has term limits, and they haven't really helped.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798653</id>
	<title>Rules on implimenting legislation</title>
	<author>Froze</author>
	<datestamp>1255984560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Never regulate the means, only the end result.<br>2. All legislation must specify a metric by which an implementation may be measured to be compatible with desired result.</p><p>Thats is it. Follow those rules and a huge amount of f#$\%^ red tape will be avoided.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Never regulate the means , only the end result.2 .
All legislation must specify a metric by which an implementation may be measured to be compatible with desired result.Thats is it .
Follow those rules and a huge amount of f # $ \ % ^ red tape will be avoided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Never regulate the means, only the end result.2.
All legislation must specify a metric by which an implementation may be measured to be compatible with desired result.Thats is it.
Follow those rules and a huge amount of f#$\%^ red tape will be avoided.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800381</id>
	<title>What about my HERF gun?</title>
	<author>ichbineinneuben</author>
	<datestamp>1255947960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will this attenuate my HERF gun?  I'm gonna miss the sight of cell phone drivers spinning off the road with a handful of melting plastic...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this attenuate my HERF gun ?
I 'm gon na miss the sight of cell phone drivers spinning off the road with a handful of melting plastic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this attenuate my HERF gun?
I'm gonna miss the sight of cell phone drivers spinning off the road with a handful of melting plastic...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800241</id>
	<title>Calm down, the glass works great!</title>
	<author>Something Witty Here</author>
	<datestamp>1255947360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My VW has special glass that prevents the interior from<br>heating up and it works *great*.  Park the thing on blacktop<br>all day in the hot summer sun and the interior barely gets<br>warm at all.  Orders of magnitude more comfortable than cars<br>with regular glass.  I assume the glass is low-e although VW<br>didn't describe it as such.</p><p>The glass is no darker than normal factory tinted glass.<br>The garage door opener remote works fine.</p><p>For those of you whining about the heavy hand of government,<br>there are many far worse problems than requiring decent<br>glass in cars.  Many of these problems are discussed in<br>slashdot so you ought to be aware of them.</p><p>&gt; we do not have thermostatic regulators on cars that vary<br>&gt; the work of the compressors</p><p>Maybe yours doesn't but mine does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My VW has special glass that prevents the interior fromheating up and it works * great * .
Park the thing on blacktopall day in the hot summer sun and the interior barely getswarm at all .
Orders of magnitude more comfortable than carswith regular glass .
I assume the glass is low-e although VWdid n't describe it as such.The glass is no darker than normal factory tinted glass.The garage door opener remote works fine.For those of you whining about the heavy hand of government,there are many far worse problems than requiring decentglass in cars .
Many of these problems are discussed inslashdot so you ought to be aware of them. &gt; we do not have thermostatic regulators on cars that vary &gt; the work of the compressorsMaybe yours does n't but mine does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My VW has special glass that prevents the interior fromheating up and it works *great*.
Park the thing on blacktopall day in the hot summer sun and the interior barely getswarm at all.
Orders of magnitude more comfortable than carswith regular glass.
I assume the glass is low-e although VWdidn't describe it as such.The glass is no darker than normal factory tinted glass.The garage door opener remote works fine.For those of you whining about the heavy hand of government,there are many far worse problems than requiring decentglass in cars.
Many of these problems are discussed inslashdot so you ought to be aware of them.&gt; we do not have thermostatic regulators on cars that vary&gt; the work of the compressorsMaybe yours doesn't but mine does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798339</id>
	<title>Re:I guess this article had its intended effect...</title>
	<author>thered2001</author>
	<datestamp>1255983600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was covered in Car &amp; Driver a couple months ago (before it passed.) At the time, I seem to recall it was only going to be required for dark-colored cars. Or was it that dark-colored cars were also going to be banned or surcharged? (Damn, it sucks to get old and have an afternoon vodka-drinking habit.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was covered in Car &amp; Driver a couple months ago ( before it passed .
) At the time , I seem to recall it was only going to be required for dark-colored cars .
Or was it that dark-colored cars were also going to be banned or surcharged ?
( Damn , it sucks to get old and have an afternoon vodka-drinking habit .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was covered in Car &amp; Driver a couple months ago (before it passed.
) At the time, I seem to recall it was only going to be required for dark-colored cars.
Or was it that dark-colored cars were also going to be banned or surcharged?
(Damn, it sucks to get old and have an afternoon vodka-drinking habit.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802585</id>
	<title>Re:BTW</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you know that when Asbestos is used in that process it no longer is dangerous as it has changed structures at the molecular level?</p><p>Were you trying to be funny, it looks like it toward the end, but starting out with a completely unrelated false statement kind of ruins it unless its clear.</p><p>Or maybe I just w000shed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you know that when Asbestos is used in that process it no longer is dangerous as it has changed structures at the molecular level ? Were you trying to be funny , it looks like it toward the end , but starting out with a completely unrelated false statement kind of ruins it unless its clear.Or maybe I just w000shed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you know that when Asbestos is used in that process it no longer is dangerous as it has changed structures at the molecular level?Were you trying to be funny, it looks like it toward the end, but starting out with a completely unrelated false statement kind of ruins it unless its clear.Or maybe I just w000shed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29799201</id>
	<title>surprising?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255943220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing about the evil ways of CARB is ever surprising.  What's funny is that all of this could be avoided if they'd just let us tint the windows instead of using it as an excuse to rob us on the streets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing about the evil ways of CARB is ever surprising .
What 's funny is that all of this could be avoided if they 'd just let us tint the windows instead of using it as an excuse to rob us on the streets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing about the evil ways of CARB is ever surprising.
What's funny is that all of this could be avoided if they'd just let us tint the windows instead of using it as an excuse to rob us on the streets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29800827</id>
	<title>Much ado about nothing</title>
	<author>scollard</author>
	<datestamp>1255949940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Mercedes already has glass like that and it doesn't pose a problem with any of those electronic gadgets. Plus, there is a couple of "clear" areas on the windscreen where you can stick the antenna's if needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Mercedes already has glass like that and it does n't pose a problem with any of those electronic gadgets .
Plus , there is a couple of " clear " areas on the windscreen where you can stick the antenna 's if needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Mercedes already has glass like that and it doesn't pose a problem with any of those electronic gadgets.
Plus, there is a couple of "clear" areas on the windscreen where you can stick the antenna's if needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29803119</id>
	<title>re: Problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255964100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am confused how this made it past even the loose quality control at Slashdot...  Let's see....</p><p>"radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded."</p><p>1. Radios, no... 99.9\% of cars have external antennas...<br>2. Satellite Radios... hmm this is a bit redundant, since radios were also mentioned, but typically these have external antennas as well, and can certainly be fitted with them.<br>3. GPS... this almost always is external in an y GPS built into the car.<br>4. Garage door openers... well in the worst case, you can hold this out the window... plus "degraded" doesn't really make sense here, either it works, or it doesn't.<br>5. Cell Phones... all I can say is thank god.  The driver shouldn't be talking on the phone, and really the passengers probably don't need to be either.  But, you could always open the windows, or realize that many hands free kits have external antennas that feed in.</p><p>I would be much more worried about Easy-Pass or ETC type systems, but they are like the garage door opener, in that they work or don't work.<br>There is also the issue of the "data module" GSM/3G modems in Lexus/Prius, etc., but those are also<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. external.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am confused how this made it past even the loose quality control at Slashdot... Let 's see.... " radios , satellite radios , GPS , garage door openers , and cell phones will be severely degraded. " 1 .
Radios , no... 99.9 \ % of cars have external antennas...2 .
Satellite Radios... hmm this is a bit redundant , since radios were also mentioned , but typically these have external antennas as well , and can certainly be fitted with them.3 .
GPS... this almost always is external in an y GPS built into the car.4 .
Garage door openers... well in the worst case , you can hold this out the window... plus " degraded " does n't really make sense here , either it works , or it does n't.5 .
Cell Phones... all I can say is thank god .
The driver should n't be talking on the phone , and really the passengers probably do n't need to be either .
But , you could always open the windows , or realize that many hands free kits have external antennas that feed in.I would be much more worried about Easy-Pass or ETC type systems , but they are like the garage door opener , in that they work or do n't work.There is also the issue of the " data module " GSM/3G modems in Lexus/Prius , etc. , but those are also .. external .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am confused how this made it past even the loose quality control at Slashdot...  Let's see...."radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded."1.
Radios, no... 99.9\% of cars have external antennas...2.
Satellite Radios... hmm this is a bit redundant, since radios were also mentioned, but typically these have external antennas as well, and can certainly be fitted with them.3.
GPS... this almost always is external in an y GPS built into the car.4.
Garage door openers... well in the worst case, you can hold this out the window... plus "degraded" doesn't really make sense here, either it works, or it doesn't.5.
Cell Phones... all I can say is thank god.
The driver shouldn't be talking on the phone, and really the passengers probably don't need to be either.
But, you could always open the windows, or realize that many hands free kits have external antennas that feed in.I would be much more worried about Easy-Pass or ETC type systems, but they are like the garage door opener, in that they work or don't work.There is also the issue of the "data module" GSM/3G modems in Lexus/Prius, etc., but those are also .. external.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798061</id>
	<title>Quick Solution</title>
	<author>mtxmorph</author>
	<datestamp>1255982700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Roll down the windows?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Roll down the windows ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roll down the windows?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29802603</id>
	<title>Re:Attention People of California</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255960080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first step is ousting the morons who voted those people in.</p><p>Nice of you to blame it on someone else, but as a citizen of CA, you're more to blame than the ones in charge.  Citizens put them there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first step is ousting the morons who voted those people in.Nice of you to blame it on someone else , but as a citizen of CA , you 're more to blame than the ones in charge .
Citizens put them there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first step is ousting the morons who voted those people in.Nice of you to blame it on someone else, but as a citizen of CA, you're more to blame than the ones in charge.
Citizens put them there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_19_1844258.29798711</id>
	<title>Blocks Radar Detector too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255984800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Curious if this new coating also interferes with radar detectors?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Curious if this new coating also interferes with radar detectors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curious if this new coating also interferes with radar detectors?</sentencetext>
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