<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_14_2229231</id>
	<title>1Mb Broadband Access Becomes Legal Right In Finland</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1255521540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Starting next July, every person in Finland will have <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939\_109-10374831-2.html">the right to a one-megabit broadband connection</a>, according to the Ministry of Transport and Communications. Finland is the world's first country to create laws guaranteeing broadband access. The Finnish people are also legally guaranteed a 100Mb broadband connection by the end of 2015."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Starting next July , every person in Finland will have the right to a one-megabit broadband connection , according to the Ministry of Transport and Communications .
Finland is the world 's first country to create laws guaranteeing broadband access .
The Finnish people are also legally guaranteed a 100Mb broadband connection by the end of 2015 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Starting next July, every person in Finland will have the right to a one-megabit broadband connection, according to the Ministry of Transport and Communications.
Finland is the world's first country to create laws guaranteeing broadband access.
The Finnish people are also legally guaranteed a 100Mb broadband connection by the end of 2015.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751605</id>
	<title>Wow.</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1255525440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Reasonable speed access to free porn" has now become a basic human right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Reasonable speed access to free porn " has now become a basic human right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Reasonable speed access to free porn" has now become a basic human right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752371</id>
	<title>Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>CoriolisSTORM</author>
	<datestamp>1255530600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an American living in one of the oft talked about rural areas of America with access to only dial up (which gives me a whopping 28.8k connection due to signal quality), or over priced satellite, I am more than ready for something along this line to be adopted here. At a time when more and more information and services are being distributed over the Internet, it gives us rural people a big disadvantage. For example, I work rotating shifts in a factory and would like to go to college to get a degree eventually. Due to my shift work, a physical classroom is out of the question, admissions would laugh me right out if the campus, but an online program through a local and respected school could help me to get to that goal. An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt;30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data. I promise, if the shoe were on the other foot you'd understand where I'm coming from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American living in one of the oft talked about rural areas of America with access to only dial up ( which gives me a whopping 28.8k connection due to signal quality ) , or over priced satellite , I am more than ready for something along this line to be adopted here .
At a time when more and more information and services are being distributed over the Internet , it gives us rural people a big disadvantage .
For example , I work rotating shifts in a factory and would like to go to college to get a degree eventually .
Due to my shift work , a physical classroom is out of the question , admissions would laugh me right out if the campus , but an online program through a local and respected school could help me to get to that goal .
An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt; 30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data .
I promise , if the shoe were on the other foot you 'd understand where I 'm coming from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American living in one of the oft talked about rural areas of America with access to only dial up (which gives me a whopping 28.8k connection due to signal quality), or over priced satellite, I am more than ready for something along this line to be adopted here.
At a time when more and more information and services are being distributed over the Internet, it gives us rural people a big disadvantage.
For example, I work rotating shifts in a factory and would like to go to college to get a degree eventually.
Due to my shift work, a physical classroom is out of the question, admissions would laugh me right out if the campus, but an online program through a local and respected school could help me to get to that goal.
An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt;30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data.
I promise, if the shoe were on the other foot you'd understand where I'm coming from.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1255530900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751847</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29758967</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>icsx</author>
	<datestamp>1255628460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, this doesn't mean that the 1 Mb is actually *FREE* of charge. They still have to pay for it, it just has to be available for everyone to buy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , this does n't mean that the 1 Mb is actually * FREE * of charge .
They still have to pay for it , it just has to be available for everyone to buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, this doesn't mean that the 1 Mb is actually *FREE* of charge.
They still have to pay for it, it just has to be available for everyone to buy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755749</id>
	<title>Re:This bothers me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255614360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet.</p></div><p>Pray tell, what free Internet? I didn't read anything about that in TFA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What bothers me about this is n't the free internet.Pray tell , what free Internet ?
I did n't read anything about that in TFA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet.Pray tell, what free Internet?
I didn't read anything about that in TFA.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752761</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752395</id>
	<title>As basic as Postal and Library service</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1255530720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my view, Internet access is more important and powerful than the postal and library services combined.  Surely if the government provides those basic services through taxation, a basic Internet communications infrastructure should also.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my view , Internet access is more important and powerful than the postal and library services combined .
Surely if the government provides those basic services through taxation , a basic Internet communications infrastructure should also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my view, Internet access is more important and powerful than the postal and library services combined.
Surely if the government provides those basic services through taxation, a basic Internet communications infrastructure should also.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757359</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1255621560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's he typical US attitude!</p><p>The only problem is that if all the farmers, miners, manufacturing plant workers, etc. who live and work in the country all move into the city and become lawyers and accountants, we won't have any food/metal/oil etc. I'm not sure about you, but I like to eat, so maybe we should give those people out in the country some incentive to stay there and grow our food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's he typical US attitude ! The only problem is that if all the farmers , miners , manufacturing plant workers , etc .
who live and work in the country all move into the city and become lawyers and accountants , we wo n't have any food/metal/oil etc .
I 'm not sure about you , but I like to eat , so maybe we should give those people out in the country some incentive to stay there and grow our food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's he typical US attitude!The only problem is that if all the farmers, miners, manufacturing plant workers, etc.
who live and work in the country all move into the city and become lawyers and accountants, we won't have any food/metal/oil etc.
I'm not sure about you, but I like to eat, so maybe we should give those people out in the country some incentive to stay there and grow our food.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754513</id>
	<title>Cant this be considered as</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255599480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a modern method of insuring the right to information.  Information of course being important in a free-market democracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a modern method of insuring the right to information .
Information of course being important in a free-market democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a modern method of insuring the right to information.
Information of course being important in a free-market democracy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</id>
	<title>Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255526160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone, electricity etc.?</p><p>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone , electricity etc .
? Having said that , I do n't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it 's expensive to provide , and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps wo n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone, electricity etc.
?Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751715</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1255526100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once you've found the time to RTFA you might also want to read up on the differences between legal rights and natural rights. Also might want to throw social rights in there as well, if you believe in those sorts of things.</p><p>It really is good to know from where your various rights descend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you 've found the time to RTFA you might also want to read up on the differences between legal rights and natural rights .
Also might want to throw social rights in there as well , if you believe in those sorts of things.It really is good to know from where your various rights descend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you've found the time to RTFA you might also want to read up on the differences between legal rights and natural rights.
Also might want to throw social rights in there as well, if you believe in those sorts of things.It really is good to know from where your various rights descend.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752775</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255534380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compared to what the idle congress critters get up to around here, I'd say this is a step in the right direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compared to what the idle congress critters get up to around here , I 'd say this is a step in the right direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compared to what the idle congress critters get up to around here, I'd say this is a step in the right direction.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752551</id>
	<title>This is going to cause problems</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1255532220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>carry your buckets of bits back home with you</em> </p><p>In my experience, but buckets are no good.  Everything I've
ever heard of that goes into a bit bucket, doesn't come out.</p><p>How about environmentally-friendly reuseable bit bags?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>carry your buckets of bits back home with you In my experience , but buckets are no good .
Everything I 've ever heard of that goes into a bit bucket , does n't come out.How about environmentally-friendly reuseable bit bags ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> carry your buckets of bits back home with you In my experience, but buckets are no good.
Everything I've
ever heard of that goes into a bit bucket, doesn't come out.How about environmentally-friendly reuseable bit bags?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751641</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752761</id>
	<title>This bothers me</title>
	<author>blockhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1255534260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet.  No, that part is pretty cool.  What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy.  What is a "right?"  When do they start?  Who creates them?</p><p>According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person.  They are endowed to everyone by their Creator.  The distinction here is critical.  Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.  A government cannot give or abolish rights.  A person has rights regardless of what his government says.  A government can only protect or infringe them.</p><p>(That said, a person can abrogate his own rights through the exercise of criminal activity -- this is why governments can licitly infringe on the rights of criminals by imprisoning them.)</p><p>Now, if someone has a right to a broadband connection, that means he has always had this right.  All humans in all times and places have always had the right to a broadband connection, because this right is a part of their nature.  Now, given the fact that broadband connections have not always existed, it's difficult to see how having a broadband connection is an inherent part of human dignity.</p><p>It bothers me that lot of Americans seem a bit fuzzy on the concept of rights and are departing more and more from the Locke-Paine-Jefferson school of thought.  Ask any given sample of Americans about the subject, and I'll bet 95\% of them would say that rights come from the government.  A people who look to their government rather to themselves as a source of their rights is a people cowed by tyranny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What bothers me about this is n't the free internet .
No , that part is pretty cool .
What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy .
What is a " right ?
" When do they start ?
Who creates them ? According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence , rights are inborn into the nature of each person .
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator .
The distinction here is critical .
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government .
A government can not give or abolish rights .
A person has rights regardless of what his government says .
A government can only protect or infringe them .
( That said , a person can abrogate his own rights through the exercise of criminal activity -- this is why governments can licitly infringe on the rights of criminals by imprisoning them .
) Now , if someone has a right to a broadband connection , that means he has always had this right .
All humans in all times and places have always had the right to a broadband connection , because this right is a part of their nature .
Now , given the fact that broadband connections have not always existed , it 's difficult to see how having a broadband connection is an inherent part of human dignity.It bothers me that lot of Americans seem a bit fuzzy on the concept of rights and are departing more and more from the Locke-Paine-Jefferson school of thought .
Ask any given sample of Americans about the subject , and I 'll bet 95 \ % of them would say that rights come from the government .
A people who look to their government rather to themselves as a source of their rights is a people cowed by tyranny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet.
No, that part is pretty cool.
What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy.
What is a "right?
"  When do they start?
Who creates them?According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person.
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator.
The distinction here is critical.
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.
A government cannot give or abolish rights.
A person has rights regardless of what his government says.
A government can only protect or infringe them.
(That said, a person can abrogate his own rights through the exercise of criminal activity -- this is why governments can licitly infringe on the rights of criminals by imprisoning them.
)Now, if someone has a right to a broadband connection, that means he has always had this right.
All humans in all times and places have always had the right to a broadband connection, because this right is a part of their nature.
Now, given the fact that broadband connections have not always existed, it's difficult to see how having a broadband connection is an inherent part of human dignity.It bothers me that lot of Americans seem a bit fuzzy on the concept of rights and are departing more and more from the Locke-Paine-Jefferson school of thought.
Ask any given sample of Americans about the subject, and I'll bet 95\% of them would say that rights come from the government.
A people who look to their government rather to themselves as a source of their rights is a people cowed by tyranny.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754345</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255597320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A right is something that <b>gets someone punished if they try to take it away</b> from you, not an obligation on someone else to <b>respect out of the goodness of their heart</b> </p><p>If your rights <b>don't impose standards of the behavior of</b> someone else you're doing it wrong.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is something that gets someone punished if they try to take it away from you , not an obligation on someone else to respect out of the goodness of their heart If your rights do n't impose standards of the behavior of someone else you 're doing it wrong.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A right is something that gets someone punished if they try to take it away from you, not an obligation on someone else to respect out of the goodness of their heart If your rights don't impose standards of the behavior of someone else you're doing it wrong.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751647</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757445</id>
	<title>Re:This bothers me</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1255621920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure if you noticed, but Finland isn't part of the US. They've been getting on just fine with a government that provides for their people for quite some time now. I'm not going to comment on which way is better, but it is entirely possible to have a different philosophy to that of Jefferson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if you noticed , but Finland is n't part of the US .
They 've been getting on just fine with a government that provides for their people for quite some time now .
I 'm not going to comment on which way is better , but it is entirely possible to have a different philosophy to that of Jefferson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if you noticed, but Finland isn't part of the US.
They've been getting on just fine with a government that provides for their people for quite some time now.
I'm not going to comment on which way is better, but it is entirely possible to have a different philosophy to that of Jefferson.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752761</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757187</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255620900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly with such cheap fast internet, we can safely assume that most hands will not be idle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly with such cheap fast internet , we can safely assume that most hands will not be idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly with such cheap fast internet, we can safely assume that most hands will not be idle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753067</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255536960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The side that's getting a good deal is the side that gets to choose what they buy.</p><p>Nothing is free, you're paying for it one way or another.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The side that 's getting a good deal is the side that gets to choose what they buy.Nothing is free , you 're paying for it one way or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The side that's getting a good deal is the side that gets to choose what they buy.Nothing is free, you're paying for it one way or another.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751847</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751887</id>
	<title>Re:That's for me!  But...</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1255527240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That might be soon enough. Seems global warming is doing it's job, as last winter and a few before that there was maybe couple of weeks with snow - long gone are the &gt;-20c winter days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That might be soon enough .
Seems global warming is doing it 's job , as last winter and a few before that there was maybe couple of weeks with snow - long gone are the &gt; -20c winter days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might be soon enough.
Seems global warming is doing it's job, as last winter and a few before that there was maybe couple of weeks with snow - long gone are the &gt;-20c winter days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755189</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>Sky Cry</author>
	<datestamp>1255609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too much time and not enough to do because they have long solved problems still troubling other countries, like USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too much time and not enough to do because they have long solved problems still troubling other countries , like USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too much time and not enough to do because they have long solved problems still troubling other countries, like USA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752817</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255534740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's retarded.  Everyone wants affordable health care.  What people don't want are a half-assed approach to doing so that is <b>stuck in place for the next 150 years because it is a government-run program.</b></p><p>Think I'm joking about the 150 year part?  There was a telephone tax that was enacted to finance the *War of 1812* that was just (finally) repealed in the last couple of years.</p><p>Fortunately, Obama and the Democrats seem smart enough to realize this, even if you are apparently too stupid to figure it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's retarded .
Everyone wants affordable health care .
What people do n't want are a half-assed approach to doing so that is stuck in place for the next 150 years because it is a government-run program.Think I 'm joking about the 150 year part ?
There was a telephone tax that was enacted to finance the * War of 1812 * that was just ( finally ) repealed in the last couple of years.Fortunately , Obama and the Democrats seem smart enough to realize this , even if you are apparently too stupid to figure it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's retarded.
Everyone wants affordable health care.
What people don't want are a half-assed approach to doing so that is stuck in place for the next 150 years because it is a government-run program.Think I'm joking about the 150 year part?
There was a telephone tax that was enacted to finance the *War of 1812* that was just (finally) repealed in the last couple of years.Fortunately, Obama and the Democrats seem smart enough to realize this, even if you are apparently too stupid to figure it out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752425</id>
	<title>Hear That?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255530960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the sound of 20 Million Australians crying in unison.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the sound of 20 Million Australians crying in unison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the sound of 20 Million Australians crying in unison.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757975</id>
	<title>Rights</title>
	<author>ArmyOfAardvarks</author>
	<datestamp>1255624080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of people have some funny ideas about rights are.
Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness, and 1MB Broadband access?
Oh, Finland, you're doing it wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of people have some funny ideas about rights are .
Life , Liberty , Pursuit of Happiness , and 1MB Broadband access ?
Oh , Finland , you 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of people have some funny ideas about rights are.
Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness, and 1MB Broadband access?
Oh, Finland, you're doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754633</id>
	<title>King Nigger</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255601400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At long last, I can download porn of my fellow niggers quickly and cheaply! To Finland!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At long last , I can download porn of my fellow niggers quickly and cheaply !
To Finland !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At long last, I can download porn of my fellow niggers quickly and cheaply!
To Finland!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29767983</id>
	<title>Re:As basic as Postal and Library service</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255704480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question is, are you willing to pay the cost?<br>As a scandinavian I'd say yes, but my prejudice regarding american citizens is that they, after seeing the price-tag, would answer a resounding no!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is , are you willing to pay the cost ? As a scandinavian I 'd say yes , but my prejudice regarding american citizens is that they , after seeing the price-tag , would answer a resounding no !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is, are you willing to pay the cost?As a scandinavian I'd say yes, but my prejudice regarding american citizens is that they, after seeing the price-tag, would answer a resounding no!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752449</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255531140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>$99 for that, man I would not be able to get my wallet out fast enough. I pay more than that now and have a 40gb cap for 10mb down 1.5 up and that is one of the best value plans around here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 99 for that , man I would not be able to get my wallet out fast enough .
I pay more than that now and have a 40gb cap for 10mb down 1.5 up and that is one of the best value plans around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$99 for that, man I would not be able to get my wallet out fast enough.
I pay more than that now and have a 40gb cap for 10mb down 1.5 up and that is one of the best value plans around here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752331</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1255530420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?</p></div><p>I think of it this way, even with substantial degrees of FAIL most people will at least have some megabits to play with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having said that , I do n't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it 's expensive to provide , and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps wo n't ? I think of it this way , even with substantial degrees of FAIL most people will at least have some megabits to play with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?I think of it this way, even with substantial degrees of FAIL most people will at least have some megabits to play with.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751643</id>
	<title>That's for me!    But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll wait to move there until they establish the right to winters that don't drop below zero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll wait to move there until they establish the right to winters that do n't drop below zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll wait to move there until they establish the right to winters that don't drop below zero.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755453</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255612260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is really crazy, here in Poland we have "free" health care, and almost no one is happy with it.</p><p>Health care is supported by taxes, which have to go all the way up to the government and then all the way down to the particular hospital on every step there is some kind of government official that get's his cut. And more over when one doesn't have to pay for the visit one goes to doctor with e.g. a cold even if it is not necessary. The effect is that there are huge queues. Furthermore doctors often require bribes to provide quality service, this way this so called "free" system is actually paid one, but the taxes stay high.</p><p>I would love to have an insurance system like they have in US, right now more and more people here in my country are getting insurances for private medical centers.</p><p>Please, please, don't go the way of the "free stuff" we've been there and it's not fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really crazy , here in Poland we have " free " health care , and almost no one is happy with it.Health care is supported by taxes , which have to go all the way up to the government and then all the way down to the particular hospital on every step there is some kind of government official that get 's his cut .
And more over when one does n't have to pay for the visit one goes to doctor with e.g .
a cold even if it is not necessary .
The effect is that there are huge queues .
Furthermore doctors often require bribes to provide quality service , this way this so called " free " system is actually paid one , but the taxes stay high.I would love to have an insurance system like they have in US , right now more and more people here in my country are getting insurances for private medical centers.Please , please , do n't go the way of the " free stuff " we 've been there and it 's not fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really crazy, here in Poland we have "free" health care, and almost no one is happy with it.Health care is supported by taxes, which have to go all the way up to the government and then all the way down to the particular hospital on every step there is some kind of government official that get's his cut.
And more over when one doesn't have to pay for the visit one goes to doctor with e.g.
a cold even if it is not necessary.
The effect is that there are huge queues.
Furthermore doctors often require bribes to provide quality service, this way this so called "free" system is actually paid one, but the taxes stay high.I would love to have an insurance system like they have in US, right now more and more people here in my country are getting insurances for private medical centers.Please, please, don't go the way of the "free stuff" we've been there and it's not fun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752289</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1255530120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff"</p></div></blockquote><p>
Because it's the people that pay for any free stuff anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US , the crowds shout " We insist on being free so do n't dare try and give us any stuff " Because it 's the people that pay for any free stuff anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff"
Because it's the people that pay for any free stuff anyway.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751847</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752745</id>
	<title>screw US telcos!</title>
	<author>hydromike2</author>
	<datestamp>1255534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by 2015 if the telcos have their way broadband in the US will be defined as 256kbs, and ill be hitching a ride across the puddle</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by 2015 if the telcos have their way broadband in the US will be defined as 256kbs , and ill be hitching a ride across the puddle</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by 2015 if the telcos have their way broadband in the US will be defined as 256kbs, and ill be hitching a ride across the puddle</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752271</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1255529940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Must be nice.  10 down and I don't even want to think about how much up, 100 GB cap, $79.99.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Must be nice .
10 down and I do n't even want to think about how much up , 100 GB cap , $ 79.99 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must be nice.
10 down and I don't even want to think about how much up, 100 GB cap, $79.99.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752193</id>
	<title>You're mincing words for reasons of political bias</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255529460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is equal access to roads a right? How about waterways? Electricity? Water?</p><p>The internet is just the newest form of a utility. It's an information network that has become completely necessary to anyone in the modern world, just as telephones and televisions were before it.</p><p>When you guarantee that everyone has access to something, the costs per person go down. Way down. Because on many levels, socialization works very, very well, especially where infrastructure is concerned. Businesses have access to larger markets. Quality of life goes up. Everyone benefits, even after the additional costs of investment.</p><p>If you really dislike governments that much, move to somewhere where there isn't a powerful state. You'll also find that there isn't any cheap infrastructure, because there's no entity wealthy enough to provide the initial investment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is equal access to roads a right ?
How about waterways ?
Electricity ? Water ? The internet is just the newest form of a utility .
It 's an information network that has become completely necessary to anyone in the modern world , just as telephones and televisions were before it.When you guarantee that everyone has access to something , the costs per person go down .
Way down .
Because on many levels , socialization works very , very well , especially where infrastructure is concerned .
Businesses have access to larger markets .
Quality of life goes up .
Everyone benefits , even after the additional costs of investment.If you really dislike governments that much , move to somewhere where there is n't a powerful state .
You 'll also find that there is n't any cheap infrastructure , because there 's no entity wealthy enough to provide the initial investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is equal access to roads a right?
How about waterways?
Electricity? Water?The internet is just the newest form of a utility.
It's an information network that has become completely necessary to anyone in the modern world, just as telephones and televisions were before it.When you guarantee that everyone has access to something, the costs per person go down.
Way down.
Because on many levels, socialization works very, very well, especially where infrastructure is concerned.
Businesses have access to larger markets.
Quality of life goes up.
Everyone benefits, even after the additional costs of investment.If you really dislike governments that much, move to somewhere where there isn't a powerful state.
You'll also find that there isn't any cheap infrastructure, because there's no entity wealthy enough to provide the initial investment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754235</id>
	<title>Finland is not the first country</title>
	<author>Maxlor</author>
	<datestamp>1255639260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Other countries have had such legislation for a while now. For example, Switzerland: <a href="http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Breitbandzugang-fuer-alle-Schweizer-162094.html" title="heise.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Breitbandzugang-fuer-alle-Schweizer-162094.html</a> [heise.de] . I'm sure there are more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Other countries have had such legislation for a while now .
For example , Switzerland : http : //www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Breitbandzugang-fuer-alle-Schweizer-162094.html [ heise.de ] .
I 'm sure there are more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other countries have had such legislation for a while now.
For example, Switzerland: http://www.heise.de/netze/meldung/Breitbandzugang-fuer-alle-Schweizer-162094.html [heise.de] .
I'm sure there are more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29758379</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255625820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here in Europe we like that kind of thing, YMMV.</p></div><p>Bread and Circuses.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Europe we like that kind of thing , YMMV.Bread and Circuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Europe we like that kind of thing, YMMV.Bread and Circuses.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751829</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753853</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255547580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tough luck.</p><p>I live in Finland at the moment and get 100/10 Mb for 29e/month (about $43).</p><p>I used to pay 59e/month ($87) for a 10/10 Mb, but moved to a new flat and they got a bit better connections here. We have no "regular" phone connections on the walls, only RJ45 cable holes and that suits me fine. =)<br>Hell, I haven't used dial phones since 1998 and cannot remember who has. (Thank god for the mobile phones).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tough luck.I live in Finland at the moment and get 100/10 Mb for 29e/month ( about $ 43 ) .I used to pay 59e/month ( $ 87 ) for a 10/10 Mb , but moved to a new flat and they got a bit better connections here .
We have no " regular " phone connections on the walls , only RJ45 cable holes and that suits me fine .
= ) Hell , I have n't used dial phones since 1998 and can not remember who has .
( Thank god for the mobile phones ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tough luck.I live in Finland at the moment and get 100/10 Mb for 29e/month (about $43).I used to pay 59e/month ($87) for a 10/10 Mb, but moved to a new flat and they got a bit better connections here.
We have no "regular" phone connections on the walls, only RJ45 cable holes and that suits me fine.
=)Hell, I haven't used dial phones since 1998 and cannot remember who has.
(Thank god for the mobile phones).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755011</id>
	<title>A step forward</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1255607160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone living in Finland, I feel this is a good step forward. 1mb here is considered bottom-tier broadband, but that doesn't mean it's useless, far from it. We have a solid infrastructure where I live (Helsinki), and 100mb has been available for close to a year. I have had a 24mb connection at home through one of the major ISP's for more than a year now. We don't have bandwidth caps, I can use all I want or need. I achieve download speeds pretty close to rated speeds most of the time. And it costs less than 50 bucks/month. The only reason I haven't upgraded to 100mb is it would mean a new ADSL modem (my current one tops out at 24mb) and I honestly can't see a need for something faster. I don't torrent music/movies, just normal usage. Occasionally I download a new Linux distro, but that's about it for my high-bandwidth usage. But even we are behind Sweden in this area, they had 24mb at least 5 years ago, and due to government subsidy they paid only about 1/4th of what I pay today for the same speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone living in Finland , I feel this is a good step forward .
1mb here is considered bottom-tier broadband , but that does n't mean it 's useless , far from it .
We have a solid infrastructure where I live ( Helsinki ) , and 100mb has been available for close to a year .
I have had a 24mb connection at home through one of the major ISP 's for more than a year now .
We do n't have bandwidth caps , I can use all I want or need .
I achieve download speeds pretty close to rated speeds most of the time .
And it costs less than 50 bucks/month .
The only reason I have n't upgraded to 100mb is it would mean a new ADSL modem ( my current one tops out at 24mb ) and I honestly ca n't see a need for something faster .
I do n't torrent music/movies , just normal usage .
Occasionally I download a new Linux distro , but that 's about it for my high-bandwidth usage .
But even we are behind Sweden in this area , they had 24mb at least 5 years ago , and due to government subsidy they paid only about 1/4th of what I pay today for the same speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone living in Finland, I feel this is a good step forward.
1mb here is considered bottom-tier broadband, but that doesn't mean it's useless, far from it.
We have a solid infrastructure where I live (Helsinki), and 100mb has been available for close to a year.
I have had a 24mb connection at home through one of the major ISP's for more than a year now.
We don't have bandwidth caps, I can use all I want or need.
I achieve download speeds pretty close to rated speeds most of the time.
And it costs less than 50 bucks/month.
The only reason I haven't upgraded to 100mb is it would mean a new ADSL modem (my current one tops out at 24mb) and I honestly can't see a need for something faster.
I don't torrent music/movies, just normal usage.
Occasionally I download a new Linux distro, but that's about it for my high-bandwidth usage.
But even we are behind Sweden in this area, they had 24mb at least 5 years ago, and due to government subsidy they paid only about 1/4th of what I pay today for the same speed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752063</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255528560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't even go that far. 640kbps should be enough for anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't even go that far .
640kbps should be enough for anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't even go that far.
640kbps should be enough for anyone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751687</id>
	<title>Re:I understand these modern times and all...</title>
	<author>White Flame</author>
	<datestamp>1255526040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This allows the government to interact with the population online, without anybody having an excuse of no net access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This allows the government to interact with the population online , without anybody having an excuse of no net access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This allows the government to interact with the population online, without anybody having an excuse of no net access.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751631</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752147</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>black3d</author>
	<datestamp>1255529040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no such thing as "rights" except by social definition. You don't get a contract with the universe when you're born. Even the so-called "right to life" is determined by those around you, whether they be abortionists or maurauding barbarians.

If you instead want to discuss what "Should be" a right and what "shouldnt be" a right, feel free to rejoin the conversation. However, our human "rights" are simply what our ruling governing body determines them to be. If the government of Finland has decided 1mbit internet access is a right, then it is just are legitimately a fundamental human right for them as US-constitution based rights are for Americans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no such thing as " rights " except by social definition .
You do n't get a contract with the universe when you 're born .
Even the so-called " right to life " is determined by those around you , whether they be abortionists or maurauding barbarians .
If you instead want to discuss what " Should be " a right and what " shouldnt be " a right , feel free to rejoin the conversation .
However , our human " rights " are simply what our ruling governing body determines them to be .
If the government of Finland has decided 1mbit internet access is a right , then it is just are legitimately a fundamental human right for them as US-constitution based rights are for Americans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no such thing as "rights" except by social definition.
You don't get a contract with the universe when you're born.
Even the so-called "right to life" is determined by those around you, whether they be abortionists or maurauding barbarians.
If you instead want to discuss what "Should be" a right and what "shouldnt be" a right, feel free to rejoin the conversation.
However, our human "rights" are simply what our ruling governing body determines them to be.
If the government of Finland has decided 1mbit internet access is a right, then it is just are legitimately a fundamental human right for them as US-constitution based rights are for Americans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751959</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1255527840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From: Finland Telecom Customer Service Manager</p><p>Dear Sir,</p><p>Your install has been scheduled for next month. Please accept our humble apologies. We are attempting to clear the backlog of new application as soon as possible.</p><p>In the meantime, we hope that the strippers we have sent over to your house will serve your needs until your broadband order is complete. Again, please acept our most sincere apologies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From : Finland Telecom Customer Service ManagerDear Sir,Your install has been scheduled for next month .
Please accept our humble apologies .
We are attempting to clear the backlog of new application as soon as possible.In the meantime , we hope that the strippers we have sent over to your house will serve your needs until your broadband order is complete .
Again , please acept our most sincere apologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From: Finland Telecom Customer Service ManagerDear Sir,Your install has been scheduled for next month.
Please accept our humble apologies.
We are attempting to clear the backlog of new application as soon as possible.In the meantime, we hope that the strippers we have sent over to your house will serve your needs until your broadband order is complete.
Again, please acept our most sincere apologies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751605</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754165</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1255638360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.</i></p><p>Fortunately, some Americans still get that we have a system based on negative reciprocity.  Unfortunately, those who want a system based on positive rights won't go where they can easily get it.  Back to fortunately, such a system will necessarily collapse of its own weight.  Hopefully, when that happens it'll be re-built with more safeguards this time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.Fortunately , some Americans still get that we have a system based on negative reciprocity .
Unfortunately , those who want a system based on positive rights wo n't go where they can easily get it .
Back to fortunately , such a system will necessarily collapse of its own weight .
Hopefully , when that happens it 'll be re-built with more safeguards this time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.Fortunately, some Americans still get that we have a system based on negative reciprocity.
Unfortunately, those who want a system based on positive rights won't go where they can easily get it.
Back to fortunately, such a system will necessarily collapse of its own weight.
Hopefully, when that happens it'll be re-built with more safeguards this time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755565</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Barefoot Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255613280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Lucky them.

Here in NYC, Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan... For a whopping cost of $99.95/month.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Here in Johannesburg the best I can find for $99.95/month is 4 megabit download 512kilobit upload speed with a 5 gigabyte monthly cap.

It seems strange to see people who have insanely fast virtually unlimited cheap internet complaining. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky them .
Here in NYC , Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan... For a whopping cost of $ 99.95/month .
Here in Johannesburg the best I can find for $ 99.95/month is 4 megabit download 512kilobit upload speed with a 5 gigabyte monthly cap .
It seems strange to see people who have insanely fast virtually unlimited cheap internet complaining .
I guess it 's all a matter of perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky them.
Here in NYC, Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan... For a whopping cost of $99.95/month.
Here in Johannesburg the best I can find for $99.95/month is 4 megabit download 512kilobit upload speed with a 5 gigabyte monthly cap.
It seems strange to see people who have insanely fast virtually unlimited cheap internet complaining.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754081</id>
	<title>Re:Right to a broadband connection, minus the cont</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255637280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they don't have the right to an unfiltered connection? In case you didn't know, a filter maintained by Finnish police that's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content, including a website critical of Finland's internet filter:</p><p> <a href="http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html" title="effi.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html</a> [effi.org] </p></div><p>Oh, fortunately the ISP:s have to opt-in to that. I think that there's one big ISP left who's using the list, maybe not even that..</p><p>Greetings from Finland.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they do n't have the right to an unfiltered connection ?
In case you did n't know , a filter maintained by Finnish police that 's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content , including a website critical of Finland 's internet filter : http : //www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html [ effi.org ] Oh , fortunately the ISP : s have to opt-in to that .
I think that there 's one big ISP left who 's using the list , maybe not even that..Greetings from Finland .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they don't have the right to an unfiltered connection?
In case you didn't know, a filter maintained by Finnish police that's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content, including a website critical of Finland's internet filter: http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html [effi.org] Oh, fortunately the ISP:s have to opt-in to that.
I think that there's one big ISP left who's using the list, maybe not even that..Greetings from Finland.
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752549</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757345</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1255621440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish they'd do that here in the US.</p><p>Even better would be if they could make your bandwidth symmetric and stop discriminating against servers.  Seriously, apart from a choked upstream (which btw is a crock of rent-seeking bullshit anyway), why shouldn't you be able to do as you please with your own damn machine as long as you're not breaking the law?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish they 'd do that here in the US.Even better would be if they could make your bandwidth symmetric and stop discriminating against servers .
Seriously , apart from a choked upstream ( which btw is a crock of rent-seeking bullshit anyway ) , why should n't you be able to do as you please with your own damn machine as long as you 're not breaking the law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish they'd do that here in the US.Even better would be if they could make your bandwidth symmetric and stop discriminating against servers.
Seriously, apart from a choked upstream (which btw is a crock of rent-seeking bullshit anyway), why shouldn't you be able to do as you please with your own damn machine as long as you're not breaking the law?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753737</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255546080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Telephone/(a)DSL package is 512 kbps for 65.00 a month.  It sucks.  Its the only ISP we have around our area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Telephone/ ( a ) DSL package is 512 kbps for 65.00 a month .
It sucks .
Its the only ISP we have around our area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Telephone/(a)DSL package is 512 kbps for 65.00 a month.
It sucks.
Its the only ISP we have around our area.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754447</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255598640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Move out of the sticks.</p><p>People leaving in rural areas were also the last to join the telephone and electrical networks as well.</p><p>I'm not supporting you're choice to live far away from what you want.</p><p>I personally want to live on a nice river, upstream of an artificial lake, with a couple acres of land, a dock with a nice bass boat sitting in it ready to go whenever I want.  However, my job requires me to use the Internet all the time to transfer data often enough to make dialup unacceptable.  So my choice, stay employed doing what I do, or move where I want to live.</p><p>You have the same choice, deal with it and shut the fuck up cause I don't want to hear it, or more importantly pay for it.  We don't always get what we want, especially when our wants conflict with each other.</p><p>So there, I have the other shoe on my foot, and I hear where you are coming from and I think its a crock of crap from someone who is a more than a wee bit spoiled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Move out of the sticks.People leaving in rural areas were also the last to join the telephone and electrical networks as well.I 'm not supporting you 're choice to live far away from what you want.I personally want to live on a nice river , upstream of an artificial lake , with a couple acres of land , a dock with a nice bass boat sitting in it ready to go whenever I want .
However , my job requires me to use the Internet all the time to transfer data often enough to make dialup unacceptable .
So my choice , stay employed doing what I do , or move where I want to live.You have the same choice , deal with it and shut the fuck up cause I do n't want to hear it , or more importantly pay for it .
We do n't always get what we want , especially when our wants conflict with each other.So there , I have the other shoe on my foot , and I hear where you are coming from and I think its a crock of crap from someone who is a more than a wee bit spoiled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Move out of the sticks.People leaving in rural areas were also the last to join the telephone and electrical networks as well.I'm not supporting you're choice to live far away from what you want.I personally want to live on a nice river, upstream of an artificial lake, with a couple acres of land, a dock with a nice bass boat sitting in it ready to go whenever I want.
However, my job requires me to use the Internet all the time to transfer data often enough to make dialup unacceptable.
So my choice, stay employed doing what I do, or move where I want to live.You have the same choice, deal with it and shut the fuck up cause I don't want to hear it, or more importantly pay for it.
We don't always get what we want, especially when our wants conflict with each other.So there, I have the other shoe on my foot, and I hear where you are coming from and I think its a crock of crap from someone who is a more than a wee bit spoiled.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752371</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29761827</id>
	<title>A *right* ?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1255598520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was it a right, or just a law passed to mandate people get this?  If they consider it a fundamental human right, they have some real issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was it a right , or just a law passed to mandate people get this ?
If they consider it a fundamental human right , they have some real issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was it a right, or just a law passed to mandate people get this?
If they consider it a fundamental human right, they have some real issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751749</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1255526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can, and they want everyone to have access to this. Finland isn't the USA, they can afford to concern themselves with things that to you must seem derisory. Also, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_access#Internet\_access\_as\_a\_human\_right" title="wikipedia.org">this</a> [wikipedia.org].

</p><p> <i>I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.</i> </p><p>lol what?? What does it have to do with anything? If they're going to make it a right that means everyone is supposed to get it already. I don't see what sort of impact making it into law would have on anything. Are you one of those nutty libertarian guys who's obsessed with taxes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can , and they want everyone to have access to this .
Finland is n't the USA , they can afford to concern themselves with things that to you must seem derisory .
Also , this [ wikipedia.org ] .
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland 's taxes .
lol what ? ?
What does it have to do with anything ?
If they 're going to make it a right that means everyone is supposed to get it already .
I do n't see what sort of impact making it into law would have on anything .
Are you one of those nutty libertarian guys who 's obsessed with taxes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can, and they want everyone to have access to this.
Finland isn't the USA, they can afford to concern themselves with things that to you must seem derisory.
Also, this [wikipedia.org].
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.
lol what??
What does it have to do with anything?
If they're going to make it a right that means everyone is supposed to get it already.
I don't see what sort of impact making it into law would have on anything.
Are you one of those nutty libertarian guys who's obsessed with taxes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752571</id>
	<title>Second Amendment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255532340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could a good alternative to replace the Second Amendment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could a good alternative to replace the Second Amendment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could a good alternative to replace the Second Amendment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751631</id>
	<title>I understand these modern times and all...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but seriously, how is access to a broadband Internet connection a legal right? Somebody please explain this to me, because the article doesn't give any supporting logic.<br> <br>

I need air to breathe, food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep at night. As much as I enjoy working in I.T. for a living, I do not need Internet access to survive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but seriously , how is access to a broadband Internet connection a legal right ?
Somebody please explain this to me , because the article does n't give any supporting logic .
I need air to breathe , food to eat , clothes to wear , and a place to sleep at night .
As much as I enjoy working in I.T .
for a living , I do not need Internet access to survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but seriously, how is access to a broadband Internet connection a legal right?
Somebody please explain this to me, because the article doesn't give any supporting logic.
I need air to breathe, food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep at night.
As much as I enjoy working in I.T.
for a living, I do not need Internet access to survive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752537</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>citizenr</author>
	<datestamp>1255531920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can get 120/20 for $67 in Warsaw.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can get 120/20 for $ 67 in Warsaw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can get 120/20 for $67 in Warsaw.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752595</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>zettabit</author>
	<datestamp>1255532580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know that they voted Socialist Government in right? They wouldn't mind giving their fellow poorer countrymen, women and children the right and the ability to access the wealth of education and information. Honestly I rather the taxes go back people than to a CEOs pocket

You may called "Nanny Statism", the welfare state had strong positive effects to manage poverty in many developed countries, I believe it's a necessity. I maybe bit bias, I live in a country with extremely high taxes and I don't mind the taxes going to social welfare, because I use some of these benefits as well, ie universal health care.
Honestly, under a libertarian government how will the poor survive without welfare? You may say the magic of the free market. But I call it Social Darwinism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know that they voted Socialist Government in right ?
They would n't mind giving their fellow poorer countrymen , women and children the right and the ability to access the wealth of education and information .
Honestly I rather the taxes go back people than to a CEOs pocket You may called " Nanny Statism " , the welfare state had strong positive effects to manage poverty in many developed countries , I believe it 's a necessity .
I maybe bit bias , I live in a country with extremely high taxes and I do n't mind the taxes going to social welfare , because I use some of these benefits as well , ie universal health care .
Honestly , under a libertarian government how will the poor survive without welfare ?
You may say the magic of the free market .
But I call it Social Darwinism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that they voted Socialist Government in right?
They wouldn't mind giving their fellow poorer countrymen, women and children the right and the ability to access the wealth of education and information.
Honestly I rather the taxes go back people than to a CEOs pocket

You may called "Nanny Statism", the welfare state had strong positive effects to manage poverty in many developed countries, I believe it's a necessity.
I maybe bit bias, I live in a country with extremely high taxes and I don't mind the taxes going to social welfare, because I use some of these benefits as well, ie universal health care.
Honestly, under a libertarian government how will the poor survive without welfare?
You may say the magic of the free market.
But I call it Social Darwinism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754827</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Akral</author>
	<datestamp>1255604640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What this means is that nobody can cut you off for whatever reason.<br>If you do not pay for the broadband, then can sue you, then can claim damages, but they can not cut your internet line.<br>You can download terabytes of illegal porn, and they absolutely must not break your internet connection.</p><p>Just like wattery supply. It is a basic human right. As is internet in Finland, from now on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What this means is that nobody can cut you off for whatever reason.If you do not pay for the broadband , then can sue you , then can claim damages , but they can not cut your internet line.You can download terabytes of illegal porn , and they absolutely must not break your internet connection.Just like wattery supply .
It is a basic human right .
As is internet in Finland , from now on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What this means is that nobody can cut you off for whatever reason.If you do not pay for the broadband, then can sue you, then can claim damages, but they can not cut your internet line.You can download terabytes of illegal porn, and they absolutely must not break your internet connection.Just like wattery supply.
It is a basic human right.
As is internet in Finland, from now on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752523</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1255531800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh?</p><p>The 100M is <b>a plan for 2015</b>. There is, apparently, no price limit (my 8/1M is about 40 euros).</p><p>So you get 6 times more "bang" for about 65\% more "buck".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ? The 100M is a plan for 2015 .
There is , apparently , no price limit ( my 8/1M is about 40 euros ) .So you get 6 times more " bang " for about 65 \ % more " buck " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?The 100M is a plan for 2015.
There is, apparently, no price limit (my 8/1M is about 40 euros).So you get 6 times more "bang" for about 65\% more "buck".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752511</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255531740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The gist of the matter is that the "right" part of post is quite a strong word in the US, not so in some other coutries. The political language is also a different animal from the legal one. The submitters story is about commercially available service levels, not anything similar to human rights. It is basically legislation controlling markets for telecommunication services. Furthermore, I personally have never heard about the 100 Mbps availability by 2015 guarantee before. I guess slashdot has become my main source about Finnish politics. No wonder I didn't vote the last time..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The gist of the matter is that the " right " part of post is quite a strong word in the US , not so in some other coutries .
The political language is also a different animal from the legal one .
The submitters story is about commercially available service levels , not anything similar to human rights .
It is basically legislation controlling markets for telecommunication services .
Furthermore , I personally have never heard about the 100 Mbps availability by 2015 guarantee before .
I guess slashdot has become my main source about Finnish politics .
No wonder I did n't vote the last time. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The gist of the matter is that the "right" part of post is quite a strong word in the US, not so in some other coutries.
The political language is also a different animal from the legal one.
The submitters story is about commercially available service levels, not anything similar to human rights.
It is basically legislation controlling markets for telecommunication services.
Furthermore, I personally have never heard about the 100 Mbps availability by 2015 guarantee before.
I guess slashdot has become my main source about Finnish politics.
No wonder I didn't vote the last time..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751641</id>
	<title>But what does this actually mean?</title>
	<author>Mr. Roadkill</author>
	<datestamp>1255525680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the convenience of your own home, or similar to the right to access clean drinking water you find in some places?<br> <br>
The wording is something to the effect of no household being more than 2 kilometres from a high-speed connection. Are we talking about a pipe to the house, or having to line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the convenience of your own home , or similar to the right to access clean drinking water you find in some places ?
The wording is something to the effect of no household being more than 2 kilometres from a high-speed connection .
Are we talking about a pipe to the house , or having to line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the convenience of your own home, or similar to the right to access clean drinking water you find in some places?
The wording is something to the effect of no household being more than 2 kilometres from a high-speed connection.
Are we talking about a pipe to the house, or having to line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752171</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1255529280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone, electricity etc.?</p><p>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?</p></div><p>Lots of things, trust me, the more bandwidth people can get access to, the more uses people will find. Imagine streaming blu-ray quality films to your lounge room over the internet? That's one example and there will be many others.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone , electricity etc .
? Having said that , I do n't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it 's expensive to provide , and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps wo n't ? Lots of things , trust me , the more bandwidth people can get access to , the more uses people will find .
Imagine streaming blu-ray quality films to your lounge room over the internet ?
That 's one example and there will be many others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this just an extension of the universal service obligations commonly associated with telephone, electricity etc.
?Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?Lots of things, trust me, the more bandwidth people can get access to, the more uses people will find.
Imagine streaming blu-ray quality films to your lounge room over the internet?
That's one example and there will be many others.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755195</id>
	<title>Re:Right to everything else?</title>
	<author>metaconcept</author>
	<datestamp>1255609380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working, a right to house despite not paying rent,</p></div><p>You're welcome! Enjoy.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.</p></div><p>Slavery is a different kettle of fish, don't you think?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Screw work, it is for suckers, I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it!</p></div><p>Again, enjoy. I hope you recover some motivation soon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working , a right to house despite not paying rent,You 're welcome !
Enjoy.a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.Slavery is a different kettle of fish , do n't you think ? Screw work , it is for suckers , I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it ! Again , enjoy .
I hope you recover some motivation soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working, a right to house despite not paying rent,You're welcome!
Enjoy.a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.Slavery is a different kettle of fish, don't you think?Screw work, it is for suckers, I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it!Again, enjoy.
I hope you recover some motivation soon.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752739</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29759801</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255632060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a solution to your problem.  Move.  If you don't like life in the country (which of course inherently involves less access to certain privileges) then get out.  Nobody is forcing you to live in a place without access to certain resources, and for that reason the government should not force the rest of us to pay for the resources to come to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a solution to your problem .
Move. If you do n't like life in the country ( which of course inherently involves less access to certain privileges ) then get out .
Nobody is forcing you to live in a place without access to certain resources , and for that reason the government should not force the rest of us to pay for the resources to come to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a solution to your problem.
Move.  If you don't like life in the country (which of course inherently involves less access to certain privileges) then get out.
Nobody is forcing you to live in a place without access to certain resources, and for that reason the government should not force the rest of us to pay for the resources to come to you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752371</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753421</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Lars512</author>
	<datestamp>1255541940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A right is something that cannot be taken from you, not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.</p><p>If your rights are an imposition on someone else you're doing it wrong.</p></div><p>This sounds like a nice theoretical distinction, but people in many countries consider health care, education and other basic "impositions on others" to be the rights of all individuals. I know where I'd prefer to live.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is something that can not be taken from you , not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.If your rights are an imposition on someone else you 're doing it wrong.This sounds like a nice theoretical distinction , but people in many countries consider health care , education and other basic " impositions on others " to be the rights of all individuals .
I know where I 'd prefer to live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A right is something that cannot be taken from you, not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.If your rights are an imposition on someone else you're doing it wrong.This sounds like a nice theoretical distinction, but people in many countries consider health care, education and other basic "impositions on others" to be the rights of all individuals.
I know where I'd prefer to live.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751647</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754385</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255597920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's because of the population density. NY is almost completely empty compared to northern Finland</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because of the population density .
NY is almost completely empty compared to northern Finland</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because of the population density.
NY is almost completely empty compared to northern Finland</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29805153</id>
	<title>it says france</title>
	<author>KingBenny</author>
	<datestamp>1256031360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>made internet access a legal right but forgets to mention the three strikess bill which has alledgedly been broken twice alreaedy at least by N. Sarkozy himself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ? bit of a contradiction in there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Good news for the finnish tho. GO FINLAND</htmltext>
<tokenext>made internet access a legal right but forgets to mention the three strikess bill which has alledgedly been broken twice alreaedy at least by N. Sarkozy himself ... ? bit of a contradiction in there ... Good news for the finnish tho .
GO FINLAND</tokentext>
<sentencetext>made internet access a legal right but forgets to mention the three strikess bill which has alledgedly been broken twice alreaedy at least by N. Sarkozy himself ... ? bit of a contradiction in there ... Good news for the finnish tho.
GO FINLAND</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754489</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>negge</author>
	<datestamp>1255599120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Finland, you get a 110/5 Mbit (Euro)DOCSiS3.0 connection for a not-so-whopping 45,00 &euro; a month. That includes a Cisco gigabit cable modem and free setup fee. Also, if you're a customer at Welho, you can get a 1Mbit 3G dongle for just 1&euro; for the first two months. You can cancel the contract after just one month so you basically get free 3G Internet access for two months.</p><p>Last time I checked my speed at <a href="http://www.speedtest.net/" title="speedtest.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.speedtest.net/</a> [speedtest.net] I got 106.5Mbps down and about 4.4Mbps up, so you're not getting completely fooled.</p><p>Also, on the Netalyzr test, basically every single checkbox is green, so they're not doing any blocking of any kind (except the usual SMTP and SMB port blocks).</p><p>This connection is available to anyone who has cable TV in their home, which in the capital region amounts to almost everyone.</p><p>Also, in Finland, no ISP whatsoever blocks, caps or shapes any of your traffic. The speeds are the same whether it's at 5 P.M or 5 A.M. In fact, most people are not even aware of that this happens quite frequently in other countries around the globe.</p><p>All in all,<br>God bless Finland</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Finland , you get a 110/5 Mbit ( Euro ) DOCSiS3.0 connection for a not-so-whopping 45,00    a month .
That includes a Cisco gigabit cable modem and free setup fee .
Also , if you 're a customer at Welho , you can get a 1Mbit 3G dongle for just 1    for the first two months .
You can cancel the contract after just one month so you basically get free 3G Internet access for two months.Last time I checked my speed at http : //www.speedtest.net/ [ speedtest.net ] I got 106.5Mbps down and about 4.4Mbps up , so you 're not getting completely fooled.Also , on the Netalyzr test , basically every single checkbox is green , so they 're not doing any blocking of any kind ( except the usual SMTP and SMB port blocks ) .This connection is available to anyone who has cable TV in their home , which in the capital region amounts to almost everyone.Also , in Finland , no ISP whatsoever blocks , caps or shapes any of your traffic .
The speeds are the same whether it 's at 5 P.M or 5 A.M. In fact , most people are not even aware of that this happens quite frequently in other countries around the globe.All in all,God bless Finland</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Finland, you get a 110/5 Mbit (Euro)DOCSiS3.0 connection for a not-so-whopping 45,00 € a month.
That includes a Cisco gigabit cable modem and free setup fee.
Also, if you're a customer at Welho, you can get a 1Mbit 3G dongle for just 1€ for the first two months.
You can cancel the contract after just one month so you basically get free 3G Internet access for two months.Last time I checked my speed at http://www.speedtest.net/ [speedtest.net] I got 106.5Mbps down and about 4.4Mbps up, so you're not getting completely fooled.Also, on the Netalyzr test, basically every single checkbox is green, so they're not doing any blocking of any kind (except the usual SMTP and SMB port blocks).This connection is available to anyone who has cable TV in their home, which in the capital region amounts to almost everyone.Also, in Finland, no ISP whatsoever blocks, caps or shapes any of your traffic.
The speeds are the same whether it's at 5 P.M or 5 A.M. In fact, most people are not even aware of that this happens quite frequently in other countries around the globe.All in all,God bless Finland</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754733</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>linhux</author>
	<datestamp>1255602900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pay &euro;55.50 per month - about $82.30 - for 100/5 Mbps, using the most common cable provider in the Helsinki metropolitan area (Welho). So while it's cheaper here, it's not by orders of magnitude. (I'm sure there are cheaper providers available, but these are the kind of prices most people are subject to.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay    55.50 per month - about $ 82.30 - for 100/5 Mbps , using the most common cable provider in the Helsinki metropolitan area ( Welho ) .
So while it 's cheaper here , it 's not by orders of magnitude .
( I 'm sure there are cheaper providers available , but these are the kind of prices most people are subject to .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay €55.50 per month - about $82.30 - for 100/5 Mbps, using the most common cable provider in the Helsinki metropolitan area (Welho).
So while it's cheaper here, it's not by orders of magnitude.
(I'm sure there are cheaper providers available, but these are the kind of prices most people are subject to.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752181</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1255529340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the hell are you drivelling about?? Redistribution of the fruits of productive labor?!? Where the hell is that coming from? This is about ensuring that most (not all, RTFA for details) people in the country can have access to broadband. No idea what you understood, but you're not the only puzzlewit around here who got it all wrong and started raving and ranting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell are you drivelling about ? ?
Redistribution of the fruits of productive labor ? ! ?
Where the hell is that coming from ?
This is about ensuring that most ( not all , RTFA for details ) people in the country can have access to broadband .
No idea what you understood , but you 're not the only puzzlewit around here who got it all wrong and started raving and ranting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell are you drivelling about??
Redistribution of the fruits of productive labor?!?
Where the hell is that coming from?
This is about ensuring that most (not all, RTFA for details) people in the country can have access to broadband.
No idea what you understood, but you're not the only puzzlewit around here who got it all wrong and started raving and ranting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</id>
	<title>Idle hands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politicians with too much time and not enough to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians with too much time and not enough to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians with too much time and not enough to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754517</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255599540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder when you guys will learn that its not free and you're actually paying for it while at the same time giving up control to someone else who has no real interest in being efficient.</p><p>I'm not really against healthcare reform in America, but your comment</p><blockquote><div><p>Keep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!</p></div></blockquote><p>is exactly the problem.  If they keep giving you free stuff, you'll bring the government down anyway, and yourself with it.</p><p>We'll stick with being free and taking responsibility for ourselves, you go ahead and expect someone else to spoon feed you everything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder when you guys will learn that its not free and you 're actually paying for it while at the same time giving up control to someone else who has no real interest in being efficient.I 'm not really against healthcare reform in America , but your commentKeep giving us free stuff or we 'll bring you down ! is exactly the problem .
If they keep giving you free stuff , you 'll bring the government down anyway , and yourself with it.We 'll stick with being free and taking responsibility for ourselves , you go ahead and expect someone else to spoon feed you everything .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder when you guys will learn that its not free and you're actually paying for it while at the same time giving up control to someone else who has no real interest in being efficient.I'm not really against healthcare reform in America, but your commentKeep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!is exactly the problem.
If they keep giving you free stuff, you'll bring the government down anyway, and yourself with it.We'll stick with being free and taking responsibility for ourselves, you go ahead and expect someone else to spoon feed you everything ...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751847</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751583</id>
	<title>Bastards!</title>
	<author>Ovspec</author>
	<datestamp>1255525200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bastards! I still only have 215 kbit internet!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bastards !
I still only have 215 kbit internet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bastards!
I still only have 215 kbit internet!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751937</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1255527660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No clue if this was part of the rationale, but I'd consider the internet a tool for both speech and assembly.  It'd rather difficult to carry on a conversation or assemble if you're not using the same communication tools as everyone else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No clue if this was part of the rationale , but I 'd consider the internet a tool for both speech and assembly .
It 'd rather difficult to carry on a conversation or assemble if you 're not using the same communication tools as everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No clue if this was part of the rationale, but I'd consider the internet a tool for both speech and assembly.
It'd rather difficult to carry on a conversation or assemble if you're not using the same communication tools as everyone else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752281</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>yndrd1984</author>
	<datestamp>1255530000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have.</i> </p><p>

So, if 'society' decides that we should no longer speak freely, that right disappears?  And if 'society' decides that we should all have the right to our own space shuttle (or anything else imaginable), then it should be provided to us for free?  And finally, if I can get 'society' to think that we should all have the right to kill off a particular group, or anything else abhorrent, then that's all fine and dandy?</p><p>

Also, in your mind, what's the difference between 'rights' and 'what the government does for you'?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have .
So , if 'society ' decides that we should no longer speak freely , that right disappears ?
And if 'society ' decides that we should all have the right to our own space shuttle ( or anything else imaginable ) , then it should be provided to us for free ?
And finally , if I can get 'society ' to think that we should all have the right to kill off a particular group , or anything else abhorrent , then that 's all fine and dandy ?
Also , in your mind , what 's the difference between 'rights ' and 'what the government does for you ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have.
So, if 'society' decides that we should no longer speak freely, that right disappears?
And if 'society' decides that we should all have the right to our own space shuttle (or anything else imaginable), then it should be provided to us for free?
And finally, if I can get 'society' to think that we should all have the right to kill off a particular group, or anything else abhorrent, then that's all fine and dandy?
Also, in your mind, what's the difference between 'rights' and 'what the government does for you'?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751675</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>imamac</author>
	<datestamp>1255525860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People have a "right" to anything they want.  Didn't you know that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>People have a " right " to anything they want .
Did n't you know that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have a "right" to anything they want.
Didn't you know that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751605</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752675</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255533420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>amazing and depressing.<br>what can we do? (not rhetorical)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>amazing and depressing.what can we do ?
( not rhetorical )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>amazing and depressing.what can we do?
(not rhetorical)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753035</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>DesScorp</author>
	<datestamp>1255536660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.</p></div><p>Why should it be? The whole idea of limited government is that the government is <i>limited</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.Why should it be ?
The whole idea of limited government is that the government is limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been pretty amazing over the last few months watching Americans demand that the government NOT guarantee them affordable health care.Why should it be?
The whole idea of limited government is that the government is limited.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752661</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>HebrewToYou</author>
	<datestamp>1255533360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some folks believe that the <b>Federal</b> government is incapable of properly "reforming" health care / health insurance in this country.  I would much prefer that each state attempt to tackle reform on their own, much like Massachusetts has done.  That allows people to vote with their feet should they not agree with policy they firmly disagree with.
<br> <br>
Personally, I think a lot of good would come from simply allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines and from common sense tort reform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some folks believe that the Federal government is incapable of properly " reforming " health care / health insurance in this country .
I would much prefer that each state attempt to tackle reform on their own , much like Massachusetts has done .
That allows people to vote with their feet should they not agree with policy they firmly disagree with .
Personally , I think a lot of good would come from simply allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines and from common sense tort reform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some folks believe that the Federal government is incapable of properly "reforming" health care / health insurance in this country.
I would much prefer that each state attempt to tackle reform on their own, much like Massachusetts has done.
That allows people to vote with their feet should they not agree with policy they firmly disagree with.
Personally, I think a lot of good would come from simply allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines and from common sense tort reform.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752407</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29769365</id>
	<title>Re:That's for me! But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255711680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They aren't greater than -20C..... They must make peesicles all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't greater than -20C..... They must make peesicles all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't greater than -20C..... They must make peesicles all the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751887</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751879</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255527180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA and get back to us before going off on some "gubermint taxes are all evil" rant.  Awaiting your apology</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA and get back to us before going off on some " gubermint taxes are all evil " rant .
Awaiting your apology</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA and get back to us before going off on some "gubermint taxes are all evil" rant.
Awaiting your apology</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29760079</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255633260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here Shaw offers 25/2 Mbps for $96 for residential service while my business plan offers 15/1 Mbps tops and costs $109...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here Shaw offers 25/2 Mbps for $ 96 for residential service while my business plan offers 15/1 Mbps tops and costs $ 109.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here Shaw offers 25/2 Mbps for $96 for residential service while my business plan offers 15/1 Mbps tops and costs $109...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753145</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>Zorque</author>
	<datestamp>1255537860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, at least they're helping their constituents rather than finding excuses to take away their rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , at least they 're helping their constituents rather than finding excuses to take away their rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, at least they're helping their constituents rather than finding excuses to take away their rights.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753069</id>
	<title>A GOOD SIGHT</title>
	<author>brian786</author>
	<datestamp>1255536960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi, i am brian.Thank's for sharing this post.This is very helpful and informative material.Good post and keep it up.website are always helpful one way in the other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.That's cool stuff.Anyways <a href="http://www.itildumps.com/" title="itildumps.com" rel="nofollow">itil exam</a> [itildumps.com] a good way to get started to renoute your dreams into the world of realty.
Thank's
Brian</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , i am brian.Thank 's for sharing this post.This is very helpful and informative material.Good post and keep it up.website are always helpful one way in the other .That 's cool stuff.Anyways itil exam [ itildumps.com ] a good way to get started to renoute your dreams into the world of realty .
Thank 's Brian</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, i am brian.Thank's for sharing this post.This is very helpful and informative material.Good post and keep it up.website are always helpful one way in the other .That's cool stuff.Anyways itil exam [itildumps.com] a good way to get started to renoute your dreams into the world of realty.
Thank's
Brian</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755669</id>
	<title>Right?  Don't you mean entitlement?</title>
	<author>Zobeid</author>
	<datestamp>1255613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that word means what you think it means.</p><p>A right is a legal protection from the power of the government.  So, if you have a "right" to a broadband internet connection, that just means the government can't take your broadband away from you.  Which is, I've got to say, something I've not heard about being a problem in the USA neither.</p><p>By analogy, the "right to keep and bear arms" doesn't mean the government is required to start issuing rifles and ammo to the populace.  It just means if you've got one, they can't take it from you.</p><p>An entitlement, on the other hand, is something that somebody is obligated to give you.  In this case, it seems that the government of Finland is going to pay for stringing cables all over the country -- except for "about 2,000 (households) in far-flung corners of the country", as per the article.  Actually, the article is sort of vague about exactly who pays for what. . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that word means what you think it means.A right is a legal protection from the power of the government .
So , if you have a " right " to a broadband internet connection , that just means the government ca n't take your broadband away from you .
Which is , I 've got to say , something I 've not heard about being a problem in the USA neither.By analogy , the " right to keep and bear arms " does n't mean the government is required to start issuing rifles and ammo to the populace .
It just means if you 've got one , they ca n't take it from you.An entitlement , on the other hand , is something that somebody is obligated to give you .
In this case , it seems that the government of Finland is going to pay for stringing cables all over the country -- except for " about 2,000 ( households ) in far-flung corners of the country " , as per the article .
Actually , the article is sort of vague about exactly who pays for what .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that word means what you think it means.A right is a legal protection from the power of the government.
So, if you have a "right" to a broadband internet connection, that just means the government can't take your broadband away from you.
Which is, I've got to say, something I've not heard about being a problem in the USA neither.By analogy, the "right to keep and bear arms" doesn't mean the government is required to start issuing rifles and ammo to the populace.
It just means if you've got one, they can't take it from you.An entitlement, on the other hand, is something that somebody is obligated to give you.
In this case, it seems that the government of Finland is going to pay for stringing cables all over the country -- except for "about 2,000 (households) in far-flung corners of the country", as per the article.
Actually, the article is sort of vague about exactly who pays for what.
. .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754343</id>
	<title>Re:Right to a broadband connection, minus the cont</title>
	<author>Gaygirlie</author>
	<datestamp>1255597320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just tried all the links myself and they work just fine and peachy. As said, the filter is not mandatory and I am personally not aware of a single ISP who did actually use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just tried all the links myself and they work just fine and peachy .
As said , the filter is not mandatory and I am personally not aware of a single ISP who did actually use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just tried all the links myself and they work just fine and peachy.
As said, the filter is not mandatory and I am personally not aware of a single ISP who did actually use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752549</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755507</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>wall0159</author>
	<datestamp>1255612620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no need for property rights - as evidenced by the numerous hunter-gatherer societies that used to roam the world quite happily. However, by providing property rights, societies and economies become much more efficient (because people reap the rewards of their labour, and can pass on those fruits to their heirs).</p><p>Maybe similarly, by guaranteeing internet rights, Finland hopes to encourage a similar increase in efficiency and productivity, thereby giving Finland a big leg-up in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no need for property rights - as evidenced by the numerous hunter-gatherer societies that used to roam the world quite happily .
However , by providing property rights , societies and economies become much more efficient ( because people reap the rewards of their labour , and can pass on those fruits to their heirs ) .Maybe similarly , by guaranteeing internet rights , Finland hopes to encourage a similar increase in efficiency and productivity , thereby giving Finland a big leg-up in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no need for property rights - as evidenced by the numerous hunter-gatherer societies that used to roam the world quite happily.
However, by providing property rights, societies and economies become much more efficient (because people reap the rewards of their labour, and can pass on those fruits to their heirs).Maybe similarly, by guaranteeing internet rights, Finland hopes to encourage a similar increase in efficiency and productivity, thereby giving Finland a big leg-up in the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752153</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255529100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well done. Enjoy your shit broadband you American cunt, How many tens of billions did your telecoms corps pocket for not providing fast universal internet connections?</p><p>Hope you enjoyed that little piece of gubment sponsored corruption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well done .
Enjoy your shit broadband you American cunt , How many tens of billions did your telecoms corps pocket for not providing fast universal internet connections ? Hope you enjoyed that little piece of gubment sponsored corruption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well done.
Enjoy your shit broadband you American cunt, How many tens of billions did your telecoms corps pocket for not providing fast universal internet connections?Hope you enjoyed that little piece of gubment sponsored corruption.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752083</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Aris Katsaris</author>
	<datestamp>1255528740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really think you understand where negative rights end?  Imagine the person who buys all the property around your home and fordids you to cross into his property. Let's see how well your "right to travel" works then.</p><p>If you consider property to be a "negative right", then certain other negative rights become merely theoretical and can be violated in practice by people owning the air you breathe, and the earth you walk upon. Even freedom of speech can be violated in the name of "intellectual property".</p><p>The distinction between positive and negative rights is to some extent arbitrary, as even the hardest core of negative rights need be protected and supported with positive rights that will ensure that other people won't abuse *their* negative rights.</p><p>Liberty is violated in practice when Equality is absent. Equality is violated in practice when Solidarity is absent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really think you understand where negative rights end ?
Imagine the person who buys all the property around your home and fordids you to cross into his property .
Let 's see how well your " right to travel " works then.If you consider property to be a " negative right " , then certain other negative rights become merely theoretical and can be violated in practice by people owning the air you breathe , and the earth you walk upon .
Even freedom of speech can be violated in the name of " intellectual property " .The distinction between positive and negative rights is to some extent arbitrary , as even the hardest core of negative rights need be protected and supported with positive rights that will ensure that other people wo n't abuse * their * negative rights.Liberty is violated in practice when Equality is absent .
Equality is violated in practice when Solidarity is absent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really think you understand where negative rights end?
Imagine the person who buys all the property around your home and fordids you to cross into his property.
Let's see how well your "right to travel" works then.If you consider property to be a "negative right", then certain other negative rights become merely theoretical and can be violated in practice by people owning the air you breathe, and the earth you walk upon.
Even freedom of speech can be violated in the name of "intellectual property".The distinction between positive and negative rights is to some extent arbitrary, as even the hardest core of negative rights need be protected and supported with positive rights that will ensure that other people won't abuse *their* negative rights.Liberty is violated in practice when Equality is absent.
Equality is violated in practice when Solidarity is absent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751921</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753899</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255548180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Finland Telecom Customer Service Manager,</p><p>Your apologies are accepted. Actually, could you delay my install for an additional month or two?</p><p>Kind regards,<br>A very satisfied customer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Finland Telecom Customer Service Manager,Your apologies are accepted .
Actually , could you delay my install for an additional month or two ? Kind regards,A very satisfied customer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Finland Telecom Customer Service Manager,Your apologies are accepted.
Actually, could you delay my install for an additional month or two?Kind regards,A very satisfied customer</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751959</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29759535</id>
	<title>Americans have slow Internet because...</title>
	<author>viridari</author>
	<datestamp>1255630980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...ISP's have zero incentive to offer anything better. The bandwidth that I have available to me right now is actually <b>less</b> than what I was getting ten years ago in a different metropolitan market. If an ISP has a local/regional monopoly, and there is no competing option for 100Mbps synchronous rates, then they will continue to gouge us for the equivalent of a shared cocktail straw.

</p><p>The last mile network is key. Separate the ISP services from the network connectivity. Make the last mile network fast, and encourage an environment where many ISP's can peer with the last mile network &amp; compete for customers on level ground. Then you'll see real change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...ISP 's have zero incentive to offer anything better .
The bandwidth that I have available to me right now is actually less than what I was getting ten years ago in a different metropolitan market .
If an ISP has a local/regional monopoly , and there is no competing option for 100Mbps synchronous rates , then they will continue to gouge us for the equivalent of a shared cocktail straw .
The last mile network is key .
Separate the ISP services from the network connectivity .
Make the last mile network fast , and encourage an environment where many ISP 's can peer with the last mile network &amp; compete for customers on level ground .
Then you 'll see real change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...ISP's have zero incentive to offer anything better.
The bandwidth that I have available to me right now is actually less than what I was getting ten years ago in a different metropolitan market.
If an ISP has a local/regional monopoly, and there is no competing option for 100Mbps synchronous rates, then they will continue to gouge us for the equivalent of a shared cocktail straw.
The last mile network is key.
Separate the ISP services from the network connectivity.
Make the last mile network fast, and encourage an environment where many ISP's can peer with the last mile network &amp; compete for customers on level ground.
Then you'll see real change.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</id>
	<title>Lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lucky them.</p><p>Here in NYC, Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan...  For a whopping cost of $99.95/month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky them.Here in NYC , Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan... For a whopping cost of $ 99.95/month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky them.Here in NYC, Time Warner just released a 50/5 Mb DOCSIS 3.0 plan...  For a whopping cost of $99.95/month.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757199</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>moose\_hp</author>
	<datestamp>1255620960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You never been in Finland.
<br> <br>
At least in Tampere, Finland, pretty much the majority of women DO LOOK like the hot sorority house, it was heaven.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You never been in Finland .
At least in Tampere , Finland , pretty much the majority of women DO LOOK like the hot sorority house , it was heaven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You never been in Finland.
At least in Tampere, Finland, pretty much the majority of women DO LOOK like the hot sorority house, it was heaven.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752587</id>
	<title>Time to move...</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1255532520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time to move to Finland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to move to Finland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to move to Finland.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752027</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255528380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare"<br><br>Hmmm . . . . I can't find anything about those in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Maybe you meant legal or civil rights instead of inalienable ('unalienable' being the term used in the document).<br><br>Need does not create a right. And remember, if government made the law to give you a particular "right", then government can just as easily take it away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" basic inalienable rights like food , shelter , clothing , and adequate healthcare " Hmmm .
. .
. I ca n't find anything about those in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution .
Maybe you meant legal or civil rights instead of inalienable ( 'unalienable ' being the term used in the document ) .Need does not create a right .
And remember , if government made the law to give you a particular " right " , then government can just as easily take it away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare"Hmmm .
. .
. I can't find anything about those in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.
Maybe you meant legal or civil rights instead of inalienable ('unalienable' being the term used in the document).Need does not create a right.
And remember, if government made the law to give you a particular "right", then government can just as easily take it away.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751635</id>
	<title>This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare.  But a right to have internet access?  I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.  While a noble idea, it is utopian.  If people want internet access there are forums like libraries which provide the access free of charge.  I do not mind paying taxes to support basic inalienable rights, but when it comes to these extras, I have to draw the line.  I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives.  I'll admit, I did not RTFA this time but the mere mention of internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food , shelter , clothing , and adequate healthcare .
But a right to have internet access ?
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland 's taxes .
While a noble idea , it is utopian .
If people want internet access there are forums like libraries which provide the access free of charge .
I do not mind paying taxes to support basic inalienable rights , but when it comes to these extras , I have to draw the line .
I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives .
I 'll admit , I did not RTFA this time but the mere mention of internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare.
But a right to have internet access?
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.
While a noble idea, it is utopian.
If people want internet access there are forums like libraries which provide the access free of charge.
I do not mind paying taxes to support basic inalienable rights, but when it comes to these extras, I have to draw the line.
I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives.
I'll admit, I did not RTFA this time but the mere mention of internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753481</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255542840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's always the option of cellular internet.  Yes...its pricey...and reception may be an issue, but is a hell of a lot faster than dial-up and its portable.  I know several people who live in rural areas and are roughly happy with it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...just a thought...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's always the option of cellular internet .
Yes...its pricey...and reception may be an issue , but is a hell of a lot faster than dial-up and its portable .
I know several people who live in rural areas and are roughly happy with it .
...just a thought.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's always the option of cellular internet.
Yes...its pricey...and reception may be an issue, but is a hell of a lot faster than dial-up and its portable.
I know several people who live in rural areas and are roughly happy with it.
...just a thought...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752371</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754805</id>
	<title>Re:This bothers me</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1255604280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person. They are endowed to everyone by their Creator. The distinction here is critical. Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.</p></div><p>Rights are not inborn.  The definition of a right is, ideally, something without which, human society cannot exist at all.  Under that definition, life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness certainly apply.</p><p>Education doesn't.  Healthcare arguably does.  If we get to the point of removing scarcity, food ideally does.</p><p>Jefferson, however, was an elitist, a racist, and a homophobe, who primarily got his material from the ancient Romans and Greeks.  He upheld some ideas which are worth keeping, and said ideas might be worth reverence.  The man himself, however, fairly certainly isn't.</p></div>
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<tokenext>According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence , rights are inborn into the nature of each person .
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator .
The distinction here is critical .
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.Rights are not inborn .
The definition of a right is , ideally , something without which , human society can not exist at all .
Under that definition , life , liberty , and the persuit of happiness certainly apply.Education does n't .
Healthcare arguably does .
If we get to the point of removing scarcity , food ideally does.Jefferson , however , was an elitist , a racist , and a homophobe , who primarily got his material from the ancient Romans and Greeks .
He upheld some ideas which are worth keeping , and said ideas might be worth reverence .
The man himself , however , fairly certainly is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person.
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator.
The distinction here is critical.
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.Rights are not inborn.
The definition of a right is, ideally, something without which, human society cannot exist at all.
Under that definition, life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness certainly apply.Education doesn't.
Healthcare arguably does.
If we get to the point of removing scarcity, food ideally does.Jefferson, however, was an elitist, a racist, and a homophobe, who primarily got his material from the ancient Romans and Greeks.
He upheld some ideas which are worth keeping, and said ideas might be worth reverence.
The man himself, however, fairly certainly isn't.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752437</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255531020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Troll-Fu is strong in this one.  Modded up to a +4 interesting, he was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Troll-Fu is strong in this one .
Modded up to a + 4 interesting , he was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Troll-Fu is strong in this one.
Modded up to a +4 interesting, he was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753733</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1255545960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude....we aren't free to take water through an airport checkpoint over here.  How can ANYTHING you hear out of America amaze you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude....we are n't free to take water through an airport checkpoint over here .
How can ANYTHING you hear out of America amaze you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude....we aren't free to take water through an airport checkpoint over here.
How can ANYTHING you hear out of America amaze you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752737</id>
	<title>Pedantry</title>
	<author>barakn</author>
	<datestamp>1255534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems like a tremendous waste of resources to provide everyone with a broadband connection and then cap them at a megabit.  A lot of people could probably reach the cap within, well, a second.  A few intrepid soles might switch back to reading email with Pine to stretch their megabit out.  After losing millions of sales because everyone uses text-based web browsers for a day before going internet-dark, IKEA will underwrite a more reasonable broadband solution that provides a megabit PER SECOND.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like a tremendous waste of resources to provide everyone with a broadband connection and then cap them at a megabit .
A lot of people could probably reach the cap within , well , a second .
A few intrepid soles might switch back to reading email with Pine to stretch their megabit out .
After losing millions of sales because everyone uses text-based web browsers for a day before going internet-dark , IKEA will underwrite a more reasonable broadband solution that provides a megabit PER SECOND .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like a tremendous waste of resources to provide everyone with a broadband connection and then cap them at a megabit.
A lot of people could probably reach the cap within, well, a second.
A few intrepid soles might switch back to reading email with Pine to stretch their megabit out.
After losing millions of sales because everyone uses text-based web browsers for a day before going internet-dark, IKEA will underwrite a more reasonable broadband solution that provides a megabit PER SECOND.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753089</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>eh2o</author>
	<datestamp>1255537140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We should take care to differentiate between what the media is payed to spout-off, those who have been trained to regurgitate what the TV tells them, and what ordinary Americans actually think if you ask them for an honest opinion without spinning the context.</p><p>What we are hearing right now is the old money interests talking, not the American people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We should take care to differentiate between what the media is payed to spout-off , those who have been trained to regurgitate what the TV tells them , and what ordinary Americans actually think if you ask them for an honest opinion without spinning the context.What we are hearing right now is the old money interests talking , not the American people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should take care to differentiate between what the media is payed to spout-off, those who have been trained to regurgitate what the TV tells them, and what ordinary Americans actually think if you ask them for an honest opinion without spinning the context.What we are hearing right now is the old money interests talking, not the American people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29756111</id>
	<title>WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GARBAGE!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255616400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GARBAGE!!!</p><p>WITH THAT MODEL, THEY'LL SURELY BE INCREASING TAXES ACCROSS THE BOARD!!!</p><p>THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUING TO TAKE MORE AND MORE OF THEIR EARNED INCOME!!!!!!</p><p>THIS NET NEUTRALITY GARBAGE IS TOO COSTLY!!!</p><p>Impeach all democrats.</p><p>Remove the czars.</p><p>repeal all bills passed into law since the innaguration.</p><p>no amnesty for illegal aliens, there already criminals - they entered illegally.</p><p>no taxpayer funded healthcare plan - i dont want to pay for all the idiot, moron democrats.</p><p>no more bailouts and no more stimulus - they don't work.</p><p>stop printing money and monitizing our currency.</p><p>start paying down the deficit.  use every bit of every salary of every democrat to pay down the debt.</p><p>tax only democrats - let them pay for the idiotic programs only the democrats want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GARBAGE ! !
! WITH THAT MODEL , THEY 'LL SURELY BE INCREASING TAXES ACCROSS THE BOARD ! !
! THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUING TO TAKE MORE AND MORE OF THEIR EARNED INCOME ! ! ! ! !
! THIS NET NEUTRALITY GARBAGE IS TOO COSTLY ! !
! Impeach all democrats.Remove the czars.repeal all bills passed into law since the innaguration.no amnesty for illegal aliens , there already criminals - they entered illegally.no taxpayer funded healthcare plan - i dont want to pay for all the idiot , moron democrats.no more bailouts and no more stimulus - they do n't work.stop printing money and monitizing our currency.start paying down the deficit .
use every bit of every salary of every democrat to pay down the debt.tax only democrats - let them pay for the idiotic programs only the democrats want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GARBAGE!!
!WITH THAT MODEL, THEY'LL SURELY BE INCREASING TAXES ACCROSS THE BOARD!!
!THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUING TO TAKE MORE AND MORE OF THEIR EARNED INCOME!!!!!
!THIS NET NEUTRALITY GARBAGE IS TOO COSTLY!!
!Impeach all democrats.Remove the czars.repeal all bills passed into law since the innaguration.no amnesty for illegal aliens, there already criminals - they entered illegally.no taxpayer funded healthcare plan - i dont want to pay for all the idiot, moron democrats.no more bailouts and no more stimulus - they don't work.stop printing money and monitizing our currency.start paying down the deficit.
use every bit of every salary of every democrat to pay down the debt.tax only democrats - let them pay for the idiotic programs only the democrats want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753925</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>house5150</author>
	<datestamp>1255548480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I sit here an american in the uk watching a great news story about how the everyone in the uk is guaranteed a H1N1 vaccine and think that is awesome, i wish we had that in the us... oh wait the rest of the story is that apparently there are 2 different vaccines, one that is tested on pregnant women, and one that is not(which is also apparently not WHO approved) and you have not say in which one you get, even if you are pregnant, it is what ever the doctor has... sounds like a great plan, i would rather pay and know what i get....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I sit here an american in the uk watching a great news story about how the everyone in the uk is guaranteed a H1N1 vaccine and think that is awesome , i wish we had that in the us... oh wait the rest of the story is that apparently there are 2 different vaccines , one that is tested on pregnant women , and one that is not ( which is also apparently not WHO approved ) and you have not say in which one you get , even if you are pregnant , it is what ever the doctor has... sounds like a great plan , i would rather pay and know what i get... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sit here an american in the uk watching a great news story about how the everyone in the uk is guaranteed a H1N1 vaccine and think that is awesome, i wish we had that in the us... oh wait the rest of the story is that apparently there are 2 different vaccines, one that is tested on pregnant women, and one that is not(which is also apparently not WHO approved) and you have not say in which one you get, even if you are pregnant, it is what ever the doctor has... sounds like a great plan, i would rather pay and know what i get....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755365</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>lyml</author>
	<datestamp>1255611360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This IS the Nordic women we're talking about. I'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.</p><p>No honestly, do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs? I swear every picture I've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus.</p></div><p>No, fat and/or unattractive girls are shot on sight, for the good of the genepool.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This IS the Nordic women we 're talking about .
I 'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.No honestly , do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs ?
I swear every picture I 've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus.No , fat and/or unattractive girls are shot on sight , for the good of the genepool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This IS the Nordic women we're talking about.
I'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.No honestly, do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs?
I swear every picture I've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus.No, fat and/or unattractive girls are shot on sight, for the good of the genepool.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753587</id>
	<title>Re:Right to a broadband connection, minus the cont</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255544340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So long as services like I2P and Tor are not illegal, people can access and provide otherwise filtered content.</p><p><a href="http://www.i2p2.de/" title="i2p2.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.i2p2.de/</a> [i2p2.de]<br><a href="https://www.torproject.org/" title="torproject.org" rel="nofollow">https://www.torproject.org/</a> [torproject.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as services like I2P and Tor are not illegal , people can access and provide otherwise filtered content.http : //www.i2p2.de/ [ i2p2.de ] https : //www.torproject.org/ [ torproject.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as services like I2P and Tor are not illegal, people can access and provide otherwise filtered content.http://www.i2p2.de/ [i2p2.de]https://www.torproject.org/ [torproject.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29765455</id>
	<title>Re:This bothers me</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1255623060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet. No, that part is pretty cool. What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy. What is a "right?" When do they start? Who creates them?</p></div><p>Do you mean literally? Basically, a society agrees ( not consciously, but at some point in the past ) on what the "rights" are, and claim they go back to the beginning of time, are ordained from God, or are natural and self-evident.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person. They are endowed to everyone by their Creator. The distinction here is critical. Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government. A government cannot give or abolish rights. A person has rights regardless of what his government says. A government can only protect or infringe them.</p></div><p>I don't know if you know this, but Finland is not Britain or the US, and is not part of the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition. They have their own body of law and conception of rights. One of them that you might find quaint and disturbing, but feels quite right and self-evident to Scandinavians* is called <a href="http://www.visitfinland.com/web/guest/finland-guide/about-finland/nature/everymans-rights" title="visitfinland.com">"jokamiehenoikeus"</a> [visitfinland.com] ( <i>Every-man's Right</i> ): the freedom to travel anywhere, at any time, even on someone else's private property -- and camp, swim, boat, fish, pick berries or mushrooms, even hunt -- as long as you share some of the meat of any kills you make with the owners of the land.
<br> <br>Everyman's Right goes back into pre-history. Much older than Locke, Paine, or Jefferson.<br> <br>
Actually, while researching this for this post, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom\_to\_roam" title="wikipedia.org">wikipedia says</a> [wikipedia.org] that a similar right exists in Britain, so there is a tradition of it in Anglo-Saxon law. If laws are endowed by the Creator, and are eternal, as you seem to imply ( if we have a right to broadband now, we must have had it in the past, which means that rights are eternal ), why do you think the Founding Fathers neglected to mention this God-given self-evident right? Too obvious?<br> <br>What's interesting is that wikipedia claims that feudalism and serfdom in continental Europe led to the gradual erosion of Everyman's Right. Since this economic order never really took hold in Scandinavia, people were free to enjoy their God-given rights, while their brethren were being deprived of their natural rights by the concept of... private property?
<br> <br>Anywho the point I'm trying to make is that if you want to complain about Americans being fuzzy on their understanding of rights in the Anglo-Saxon tradition, don't use the rights of Finland as an example. That reasoning is a little bit fuzzy in and of itself.
* Some Finns will claim that they are not Scandinavian. It's a whole discussion unto itself.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What bothers me about this is n't the free internet .
No , that part is pretty cool .
What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy .
What is a " right ?
" When do they start ?
Who creates them ? Do you mean literally ?
Basically , a society agrees ( not consciously , but at some point in the past ) on what the " rights " are , and claim they go back to the beginning of time , are ordained from God , or are natural and self-evident.According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence , rights are inborn into the nature of each person .
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator .
The distinction here is critical .
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government .
A government can not give or abolish rights .
A person has rights regardless of what his government says .
A government can only protect or infringe them.I do n't know if you know this , but Finland is not Britain or the US , and is not part of the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition .
They have their own body of law and conception of rights .
One of them that you might find quaint and disturbing , but feels quite right and self-evident to Scandinavians * is called " jokamiehenoikeus " [ visitfinland.com ] ( Every-man 's Right ) : the freedom to travel anywhere , at any time , even on someone else 's private property -- and camp , swim , boat , fish , pick berries or mushrooms , even hunt -- as long as you share some of the meat of any kills you make with the owners of the land .
Everyman 's Right goes back into pre-history .
Much older than Locke , Paine , or Jefferson .
Actually , while researching this for this post , wikipedia says [ wikipedia.org ] that a similar right exists in Britain , so there is a tradition of it in Anglo-Saxon law .
If laws are endowed by the Creator , and are eternal , as you seem to imply ( if we have a right to broadband now , we must have had it in the past , which means that rights are eternal ) , why do you think the Founding Fathers neglected to mention this God-given self-evident right ?
Too obvious ?
What 's interesting is that wikipedia claims that feudalism and serfdom in continental Europe led to the gradual erosion of Everyman 's Right .
Since this economic order never really took hold in Scandinavia , people were free to enjoy their God-given rights , while their brethren were being deprived of their natural rights by the concept of... private property ?
Anywho the point I 'm trying to make is that if you want to complain about Americans being fuzzy on their understanding of rights in the Anglo-Saxon tradition , do n't use the rights of Finland as an example .
That reasoning is a little bit fuzzy in and of itself .
* Some Finns will claim that they are not Scandinavian .
It 's a whole discussion unto itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What bothers me about this isn't the free internet.
No, that part is pretty cool.
What bothers me is the underlying political philosophy.
What is a "right?
" When do they start?
Who creates them?Do you mean literally?
Basically, a society agrees ( not consciously, but at some point in the past ) on what the "rights" are, and claim they go back to the beginning of time, are ordained from God, or are natural and self-evident.According to what Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence, rights are inborn into the nature of each person.
They are endowed to everyone by their Creator.
The distinction here is critical.
Rights are inherent in the nature of the human being and an integral part of human dignity -- they are not given by a government.
A government cannot give or abolish rights.
A person has rights regardless of what his government says.
A government can only protect or infringe them.I don't know if you know this, but Finland is not Britain or the US, and is not part of the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition.
They have their own body of law and conception of rights.
One of them that you might find quaint and disturbing, but feels quite right and self-evident to Scandinavians* is called "jokamiehenoikeus" [visitfinland.com] ( Every-man's Right ): the freedom to travel anywhere, at any time, even on someone else's private property -- and camp, swim, boat, fish, pick berries or mushrooms, even hunt -- as long as you share some of the meat of any kills you make with the owners of the land.
Everyman's Right goes back into pre-history.
Much older than Locke, Paine, or Jefferson.
Actually, while researching this for this post, wikipedia says [wikipedia.org] that a similar right exists in Britain, so there is a tradition of it in Anglo-Saxon law.
If laws are endowed by the Creator, and are eternal, as you seem to imply ( if we have a right to broadband now, we must have had it in the past, which means that rights are eternal ), why do you think the Founding Fathers neglected to mention this God-given self-evident right?
Too obvious?
What's interesting is that wikipedia claims that feudalism and serfdom in continental Europe led to the gradual erosion of Everyman's Right.
Since this economic order never really took hold in Scandinavia, people were free to enjoy their God-given rights, while their brethren were being deprived of their natural rights by the concept of... private property?
Anywho the point I'm trying to make is that if you want to complain about Americans being fuzzy on their understanding of rights in the Anglo-Saxon tradition, don't use the rights of Finland as an example.
That reasoning is a little bit fuzzy in and of itself.
* Some Finns will claim that they are not Scandinavian.
It's a whole discussion unto itself.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751847</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255527000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare. But a right to have internet access?</i></p><p>The way I see it is that if you take your list of inalienable rights and classify them as "human rights", you can classify health care, internet access, etc. as "societal rights" (those rights granted by the state for their citizens).</p><p><i>internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrong</i></p><p>Do you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US, or Liberalism, generally?    Either way, I don't think that term is useful or productive, especially when the context here is Finland.</p><p>In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff", while in Europe, it's "Keep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!"   Left-wing?  Perhaps.  But I suspect one side is getting a good deal, while the other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, what's the state of broadband in the US?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food , shelter , clothing , and adequate healthcare .
But a right to have internet access ? The way I see it is that if you take your list of inalienable rights and classify them as " human rights " , you can classify health care , internet access , etc .
as " societal rights " ( those rights granted by the state for their citizens ) .internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrongDo you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US , or Liberalism , generally ?
Either way , I do n't think that term is useful or productive , especially when the context here is Finland.In the US , the crowds shout " We insist on being free so do n't dare try and give us any stuff " , while in Europe , it 's " Keep giving us free stuff or we 'll bring you down !
" Left-wing ?
Perhaps. But I suspect one side is getting a good deal , while the other ... well , what 's the state of broadband in the US ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare.
But a right to have internet access?The way I see it is that if you take your list of inalienable rights and classify them as "human rights", you can classify health care, internet access, etc.
as "societal rights" (those rights granted by the state for their citizens).internet access being a right is an example of liberalism gone horribly wrongDo you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US, or Liberalism, generally?
Either way, I don't think that term is useful or productive, especially when the context here is Finland.In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff", while in Europe, it's "Keep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!
"   Left-wing?
Perhaps.  But I suspect one side is getting a good deal, while the other ... well, what's the state of broadband in the US?
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754237</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>dropadrop</author>
	<datestamp>1255639260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in Finland. I have a 100/10 connection (FCP to the basement, ethernet to the apartment). There seems to be some kind of misconfiguration though, resulting in 100/100. I just happen to have the bill in front of me, it's 31,27&euro;/month (no caps). However if I did not happen to have the FCP in the basement I would be paying about the same for a 8/1 adsl.

</p><p>So it's not just about being in Finland, or the capital. If the people planning the building (or making later decisions) are not forward thinking you will end up paying the same for a lot less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in Finland .
I have a 100/10 connection ( FCP to the basement , ethernet to the apartment ) .
There seems to be some kind of misconfiguration though , resulting in 100/100 .
I just happen to have the bill in front of me , it 's 31,27    /month ( no caps ) .
However if I did not happen to have the FCP in the basement I would be paying about the same for a 8/1 adsl .
So it 's not just about being in Finland , or the capital .
If the people planning the building ( or making later decisions ) are not forward thinking you will end up paying the same for a lot less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in Finland.
I have a 100/10 connection (FCP to the basement, ethernet to the apartment).
There seems to be some kind of misconfiguration though, resulting in 100/100.
I just happen to have the bill in front of me, it's 31,27€/month (no caps).
However if I did not happen to have the FCP in the basement I would be paying about the same for a 8/1 adsl.
So it's not just about being in Finland, or the capital.
If the people planning the building (or making later decisions) are not forward thinking you will end up paying the same for a lot less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752591</id>
	<title>Re:Good to see</title>
	<author>negRo\_slim</author>
	<datestamp>1255532580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>that our <b>~75\%</b> tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection!!</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.worldwide-tax.com/finland/finland\_tax.asp" title="worldwide-tax.com">In Finland Taxation of an individual's income is progressive. In other words, the higher the income, the higher the rate of tax payable. In 2009 the income tax rate (national tax) for an individual is between 7\%-30.5\%. In addition to direct taxation there is also municipal tax in Finland. This tax is payable by an individual on his or her income and it fluctuates between 16\% - 21\% depending on the municipal authority.</a> [worldwide-tax.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>that our ~ 75 \ % tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection ! !
In Finland Taxation of an individual 's income is progressive .
In other words , the higher the income , the higher the rate of tax payable .
In 2009 the income tax rate ( national tax ) for an individual is between 7 \ % -30.5 \ % .
In addition to direct taxation there is also municipal tax in Finland .
This tax is payable by an individual on his or her income and it fluctuates between 16 \ % - 21 \ % depending on the municipal authority .
[ worldwide-tax.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that our ~75\% tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection!!
In Finland Taxation of an individual's income is progressive.
In other words, the higher the income, the higher the rate of tax payable.
In 2009 the income tax rate (national tax) for an individual is between 7\%-30.5\%.
In addition to direct taxation there is also municipal tax in Finland.
This tax is payable by an individual on his or her income and it fluctuates between 16\% - 21\% depending on the municipal authority.
[worldwide-tax.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755559</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255613220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He means, liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms.</p></div><p>How the hell is that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">liberalism</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He means , liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms.How the hell is that liberalism [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He means, liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms.How the hell is that liberalism [wikipedia.org]?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753789</id>
	<title>And in India</title>
	<author>MegaBitzz</author>
	<datestamp>1255546800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have the right to dream about such stuff as a long term possibility - it might happen in a few years (read centuries).<p>

If you see anything faster than 512K, it is NOT available in your area (I live right between the head office of MS India and NIIT - a very large software company) and have exactly ONE provider able to give me a connection - and it's a government run "I-would-give-you-service-if-I-understood-this-darn-technology-thing" provider that charges me $20/month (they reduced the charges from $24/month yesterday) and works almost 25 days a month!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have the right to dream about such stuff as a long term possibility - it might happen in a few years ( read centuries ) .
If you see anything faster than 512K , it is NOT available in your area ( I live right between the head office of MS India and NIIT - a very large software company ) and have exactly ONE provider able to give me a connection - and it 's a government run " I-would-give-you-service-if-I-understood-this-darn-technology-thing " provider that charges me $ 20/month ( they reduced the charges from $ 24/month yesterday ) and works almost 25 days a month !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have the right to dream about such stuff as a long term possibility - it might happen in a few years (read centuries).
If you see anything faster than 512K, it is NOT available in your area (I live right between the head office of MS India and NIIT - a very large software company) and have exactly ONE provider able to give me a connection - and it's a government run "I-would-give-you-service-if-I-understood-this-darn-technology-thing" provider that charges me $20/month (they reduced the charges from $24/month yesterday) and works almost 25 days a month!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757659</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>careysub</author>
	<datestamp>1255622880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are absolutely correct - this is simply a commitment to provide a universal service to the public to support a modern economy and society: like K-12 education, decent roads, clean water, electricity, mail service, access to phone service and TV signals, sewage and trash disposal, police protection, fire department protection, etc., etc.</p><p>After reading TFA I think the author did a bad job in reporting, using United States hot-button political lingo to frame decisions made overseas to provide specific levels of universal service access for the Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely correct - this is simply a commitment to provide a universal service to the public to support a modern economy and society : like K-12 education , decent roads , clean water , electricity , mail service , access to phone service and TV signals , sewage and trash disposal , police protection , fire department protection , etc. , etc.After reading TFA I think the author did a bad job in reporting , using United States hot-button political lingo to frame decisions made overseas to provide specific levels of universal service access for the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely correct - this is simply a commitment to provide a universal service to the public to support a modern economy and society: like K-12 education, decent roads, clean water, electricity, mail service, access to phone service and TV signals, sewage and trash disposal, police protection, fire department protection, etc., etc.After reading TFA I think the author did a bad job in reporting, using United States hot-button political lingo to frame decisions made overseas to provide specific levels of universal service access for the Internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752531</id>
	<title>Re:That's for me! But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255531860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I hear this one a lot, it is simply not true. Southern Finland had a few months of snow last winter, one month the winter before that, and a few months the winter before that one (07-08). -20c winter days never really happened in southern Finland either.</p><p>see www.fmi.fi for the facts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I hear this one a lot , it is simply not true .
Southern Finland had a few months of snow last winter , one month the winter before that , and a few months the winter before that one ( 07-08 ) .
-20c winter days never really happened in southern Finland either.see www.fmi.fi for the facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I hear this one a lot, it is simply not true.
Southern Finland had a few months of snow last winter, one month the winter before that, and a few months the winter before that one (07-08).
-20c winter days never really happened in southern Finland either.see www.fmi.fi for the facts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751947</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1255527780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, nothing like writing about an article when you didn't even read the headline of the article in question. "Right to broadband" sounds so much better than "right to access to broadband" when writing a flame about nanny states.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , nothing like writing about an article when you did n't even read the headline of the article in question .
" Right to broadband " sounds so much better than " right to access to broadband " when writing a flame about nanny states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, nothing like writing about an article when you didn't even read the headline of the article in question.
"Right to broadband" sounds so much better than "right to access to broadband" when writing a flame about nanny states.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754425</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>risom</author>
	<datestamp>1255598400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A right is something that cannot be taken from you</p></div><p>Interesting - by that definition there are no rights at all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<br><br>
A right ist something granted by a force more powerful (e.g. a government) than the individual. There is no such thing as natural rights.
<br><br>
(Of course arguing about definitions is moot, my point is just to show another possible view on the subject - one that obviously fits more to scandinavian and less to liberalist ideology.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is something that can not be taken from youInteresting - by that definition there are no rights at all : ) A right ist something granted by a force more powerful ( e.g .
a government ) than the individual .
There is no such thing as natural rights .
( Of course arguing about definitions is moot , my point is just to show another possible view on the subject - one that obviously fits more to scandinavian and less to liberalist ideology .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A right is something that cannot be taken from youInteresting - by that definition there are no rights at all :)

A right ist something granted by a force more powerful (e.g.
a government) than the individual.
There is no such thing as natural rights.
(Of course arguing about definitions is moot, my point is just to show another possible view on the subject - one that obviously fits more to scandinavian and less to liberalist ideology.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752301</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255530180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Incorrect.  ALL rights involve obligations, otherwise you're not talking about rights.</p><p>Your right to free speech involves obligations of tolerance...  Etc, etc.</p><p>Recommended reading to get you up to speed on the relevant logic: Crimes Against Logic by Jamie Whyte</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incorrect .
ALL rights involve obligations , otherwise you 're not talking about rights.Your right to free speech involves obligations of tolerance... Etc , etc.Recommended reading to get you up to speed on the relevant logic : Crimes Against Logic by Jamie Whyte</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incorrect.
ALL rights involve obligations, otherwise you're not talking about rights.Your right to free speech involves obligations of tolerance...  Etc, etc.Recommended reading to get you up to speed on the relevant logic: Crimes Against Logic by Jamie Whyte</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752671</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>SecurityGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1255533360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, bullshit.</p><p>The state doesn't have anything to give.  In the US, the crowds you imagine that oppose this sort of thing are saying "Don't take stuff from us, waste part of it on needless bureaucracy, then give the remainder back!"</p><p>Where exactly do you think all your "free stuff" comes from, anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , bullshit.The state does n't have anything to give .
In the US , the crowds you imagine that oppose this sort of thing are saying " Do n't take stuff from us , waste part of it on needless bureaucracy , then give the remainder back !
" Where exactly do you think all your " free stuff " comes from , anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, bullshit.The state doesn't have anything to give.
In the US, the crowds you imagine that oppose this sort of thing are saying "Don't take stuff from us, waste part of it on needless bureaucracy, then give the remainder back!
"Where exactly do you think all your "free stuff" comes from, anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752695</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255533600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that backwards? A right is something that can be taken away from you, but can not be given. For instance, you do not have the right to a house (someone else has to have provided the house), but you do have the right to own the house. Likewise someone can take you right to life, but they can't then give it back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that backwards ?
A right is something that can be taken away from you , but can not be given .
For instance , you do not have the right to a house ( someone else has to have provided the house ) , but you do have the right to own the house .
Likewise someone can take you right to life , but they ca n't then give it back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that backwards?
A right is something that can be taken away from you, but can not be given.
For instance, you do not have the right to a house (someone else has to have provided the house), but you do have the right to own the house.
Likewise someone can take you right to life, but they can't then give it back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29764733</id>
	<title>Every Finn already has broadband, pretty much</title>
	<author>Tempsi</author>
	<datestamp>1255614840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This law is not really about providing each citizen with broadband access, it's more about guaranteeing that the access is not TAKEN AWAY from people who already have it..

The thing is, maintaining physical phone lines in rural areas is expensive, and phone companies want to get rid of them. This law guarantees at least a reasonable wireless broadband option in that scenario.

As it is now, DSL is available almost everywhere, including many rural areas. Cities of course have even more options like cable and fibre.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This law is not really about providing each citizen with broadband access , it 's more about guaranteeing that the access is not TAKEN AWAY from people who already have it. . The thing is , maintaining physical phone lines in rural areas is expensive , and phone companies want to get rid of them .
This law guarantees at least a reasonable wireless broadband option in that scenario .
As it is now , DSL is available almost everywhere , including many rural areas .
Cities of course have even more options like cable and fibre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This law is not really about providing each citizen with broadband access, it's more about guaranteeing that the access is not TAKEN AWAY from people who already have it..

The thing is, maintaining physical phone lines in rural areas is expensive, and phone companies want to get rid of them.
This law guarantees at least a reasonable wireless broadband option in that scenario.
As it is now, DSL is available almost everywhere, including many rural areas.
Cities of course have even more options like cable and fibre.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753055</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Neffirithion</author>
	<datestamp>1255536900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too bad it has a 40GB/month cap</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad it has a 40GB/month cap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad it has a 40GB/month cap</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753647</id>
	<title>Re:Pedantry</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1255544880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Read up on the unique not-for-profit and for-profit corporations who 'own' IKEA.<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA</a> [wikipedia.org] <br>
"everyone" does not get it.  If your selling broadband in Finland it will be at 1Mb +.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read up on the unique not-for-profit and for-profit corporations who 'own ' IKEA .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA [ wikipedia.org ] " everyone " does not get it .
If your selling broadband in Finland it will be at 1Mb + .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read up on the unique not-for-profit and for-profit corporations who 'own' IKEA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA [wikipedia.org] 
"everyone" does not get it.
If your selling broadband in Finland it will be at 1Mb +.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751713</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1255526100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have.  That may well require someone else to provide it for you, but that cost should be born fairly by society as a whole.  By your definition nothing is a right-  anything can be taken, including your life if someone wishes to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have .
That may well require someone else to provide it for you , but that cost should be born fairly by society as a whole .
By your definition nothing is a right- anything can be taken , including your life if someone wishes to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A right is an ability or status that society thinks everyone should have.
That may well require someone else to provide it for you, but that cost should be born fairly by society as a whole.
By your definition nothing is a right-  anything can be taken, including your life if someone wishes to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753141</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255537800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you would be against a "right to education" then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you would be against a " right to education " then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you would be against a "right to education" then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751819</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>black3d</author>
	<datestamp>1255526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to go back to fundamental existeance-based rights, the "freedom of speech" is also an artificial construct, which denies my basic human "right" to bash over the head anyone whom I don't like. In truth, all "rights" are a social agreement by which we can try and live in peace. Others in these comments talk about "right to shelter", whereas such a concept doesn't exist in primal society. You can construct your own shelter, and try and use it, as long as you're able fend off anyone else who'll come and try to take it.</p><p>As societal values shift, so does the implication of these socially-given "rights", which is why "Freedom of Speech", originally intended and implemented in social contract as a means of allowing people to express their own values and beliefs without fear of lethal repercussion, is now considered by most to mean "Freedom to invasively force my opinion on other people who don't care to hear it."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to go back to fundamental existeance-based rights , the " freedom of speech " is also an artificial construct , which denies my basic human " right " to bash over the head anyone whom I do n't like .
In truth , all " rights " are a social agreement by which we can try and live in peace .
Others in these comments talk about " right to shelter " , whereas such a concept does n't exist in primal society .
You can construct your own shelter , and try and use it , as long as you 're able fend off anyone else who 'll come and try to take it.As societal values shift , so does the implication of these socially-given " rights " , which is why " Freedom of Speech " , originally intended and implemented in social contract as a means of allowing people to express their own values and beliefs without fear of lethal repercussion , is now considered by most to mean " Freedom to invasively force my opinion on other people who do n't care to hear it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to go back to fundamental existeance-based rights, the "freedom of speech" is also an artificial construct, which denies my basic human "right" to bash over the head anyone whom I don't like.
In truth, all "rights" are a social agreement by which we can try and live in peace.
Others in these comments talk about "right to shelter", whereas such a concept doesn't exist in primal society.
You can construct your own shelter, and try and use it, as long as you're able fend off anyone else who'll come and try to take it.As societal values shift, so does the implication of these socially-given "rights", which is why "Freedom of Speech", originally intended and implemented in social contract as a means of allowing people to express their own values and beliefs without fear of lethal repercussion, is now considered by most to mean "Freedom to invasively force my opinion on other people who don't care to hear it.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751805</id>
	<title>Re:But what does this actually mean?</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1255526700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like the postal service or water company or electric company, they will have to roll out "something" to all.<br>
If not the gov finds another corp who will<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>
Rewire the  Digital Loop Carriers (RIM) and its fine.<br>
If its new, FTTN, FTTH to meet basic law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like the postal service or water company or electric company , they will have to roll out " something " to all .
If not the gov finds another corp who will : ) Rewire the Digital Loop Carriers ( RIM ) and its fine .
If its new , FTTN , FTTH to meet basic law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like the postal service or water company or electric company, they will have to roll out "something" to all.
If not the gov finds another corp who will :)
Rewire the  Digital Loop Carriers (RIM) and its fine.
If its new, FTTN, FTTH to meet basic law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752539</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>sten ben</author>
	<datestamp>1255531980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope, it has nothing to do with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">liberalism</a> [wikipedia.org].
<br> <br>
And, no it won't raise their taxes. It might raise their broadband bills a bit, but given that they pay about $35/month for 100/100Mb/s they probably wont bitch too much about it. You see that's how this kind of regulation works. Law tells commerce to do something. Commerce does it and profits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , it has nothing to do with liberalism [ wikipedia.org ] .
And , no it wo n't raise their taxes .
It might raise their broadband bills a bit , but given that they pay about $ 35/month for 100/100Mb/s they probably wont bitch too much about it .
You see that 's how this kind of regulation works .
Law tells commerce to do something .
Commerce does it and profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, it has nothing to do with liberalism [wikipedia.org].
And, no it won't raise their taxes.
It might raise their broadband bills a bit, but given that they pay about $35/month for 100/100Mb/s they probably wont bitch too much about it.
You see that's how this kind of regulation works.
Law tells commerce to do something.
Commerce does it and profits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751905</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255527420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, you are aware that the US government has regulations requiring telephone access to everyone, right? This seems similar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , you are aware that the US government has regulations requiring telephone access to everyone , right ?
This seems similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, you are aware that the US government has regulations requiring telephone access to everyone, right?
This seems similar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754815</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255604460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt;30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data.</i>

<p>Not sure how distance learning is typically organised in the US, but in the UK, the Open University is in the habit of physically mailing out videotapes. Actually they send DVDs now, I think, but I've got a stack of old astrophysics VHS tapes somewhere. From the comp. sci. courses I've been taking lately, heaps of CD-ROMs. I need an internet connection to submit assignments but I could easily do it over dialup. If I didn't have 20Mb cable, anyway. And they'll still take them by post if all else fails.

</p><p>Back in the elder days, they used to broadcast their lectures on TV, in the small hours when regular programming was switched off; students would record them and watch them at a more reasonable hour. Many an insomniac remembers the badly dressed guy with a massive beard explaining vector calculus at three in the morning; the same goes for comatose policemen hallucinating a 1970s nightmare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt; 30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data .
Not sure how distance learning is typically organised in the US , but in the UK , the Open University is in the habit of physically mailing out videotapes .
Actually they send DVDs now , I think , but I 've got a stack of old astrophysics VHS tapes somewhere .
From the comp .
sci. courses I 've been taking lately , heaps of CD-ROMs .
I need an internet connection to submit assignments but I could easily do it over dialup .
If I did n't have 20Mb cable , anyway .
And they 'll still take them by post if all else fails .
Back in the elder days , they used to broadcast their lectures on TV , in the small hours when regular programming was switched off ; students would record them and watch them at a more reasonable hour .
Many an insomniac remembers the badly dressed guy with a massive beard explaining vector calculus at three in the morning ; the same goes for comatose policemen hallucinating a 1970s nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An online college course is not an option when it takes &gt;30 minutes to load a 10 second video or when you have to split a 50 mb download over 5 nights to get the data.
Not sure how distance learning is typically organised in the US, but in the UK, the Open University is in the habit of physically mailing out videotapes.
Actually they send DVDs now, I think, but I've got a stack of old astrophysics VHS tapes somewhere.
From the comp.
sci. courses I've been taking lately, heaps of CD-ROMs.
I need an internet connection to submit assignments but I could easily do it over dialup.
If I didn't have 20Mb cable, anyway.
And they'll still take them by post if all else fails.
Back in the elder days, they used to broadcast their lectures on TV, in the small hours when regular programming was switched off; students would record them and watch them at a more reasonable hour.
Many an insomniac remembers the badly dressed guy with a massive beard explaining vector calculus at three in the morning; the same goes for comatose policemen hallucinating a 1970s nightmare.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29756305</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255617120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's better than what the are legislating for broadband in Australia or Canada these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's better than what the are legislating for broadband in Australia or Canada these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's better than what the are legislating for broadband in Australia or Canada these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29757807</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255623420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure you got it wrong it is expensive to provide.<br>In my country (Bulgaria, also in EU) nearly the entire residential internet access is provided by LAN. Yes, the service was sloppy initially (6-7 years ago), and you are not in your own vlan, but nowadays you could get 20mbps internet over 100mbps LAN with no bandwidth cap for 9 EUR/month or as low as 5 UER/month if you pay 12 moths up front (vat included). On the other side I also use cable (cable tv, docsys internet) with 15mpbs/1.5mbps and no cap for 23 EUR/month (vat included). I have an old pc as a router - p233mmx which runs 24x7, does load-balancing and fail-over and probably uses about 5-7 EUR/month for electricity. On the LAN i get about 10 hours of downtime each month, but on the cable I get up to 5\% packet loss at times (usually within 0.5\%). So as seen from practice it is not impossible.</p><p>I was working in a telco and if you go with the standard telco stuff - LL/fibre, CPE, SLA, etc the price would be at least 60 EUR/month for 1mbps and you have to pay between 140 EUR to 700 EUR installation fee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure you got it wrong it is expensive to provide.In my country ( Bulgaria , also in EU ) nearly the entire residential internet access is provided by LAN .
Yes , the service was sloppy initially ( 6-7 years ago ) , and you are not in your own vlan , but nowadays you could get 20mbps internet over 100mbps LAN with no bandwidth cap for 9 EUR/month or as low as 5 UER/month if you pay 12 moths up front ( vat included ) .
On the other side I also use cable ( cable tv , docsys internet ) with 15mpbs/1.5mbps and no cap for 23 EUR/month ( vat included ) .
I have an old pc as a router - p233mmx which runs 24x7 , does load-balancing and fail-over and probably uses about 5-7 EUR/month for electricity .
On the LAN i get about 10 hours of downtime each month , but on the cable I get up to 5 \ % packet loss at times ( usually within 0.5 \ % ) .
So as seen from practice it is not impossible.I was working in a telco and if you go with the standard telco stuff - LL/fibre , CPE , SLA , etc the price would be at least 60 EUR/month for 1mbps and you have to pay between 140 EUR to 700 EUR installation fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure you got it wrong it is expensive to provide.In my country (Bulgaria, also in EU) nearly the entire residential internet access is provided by LAN.
Yes, the service was sloppy initially (6-7 years ago), and you are not in your own vlan, but nowadays you could get 20mbps internet over 100mbps LAN with no bandwidth cap for 9 EUR/month or as low as 5 UER/month if you pay 12 moths up front (vat included).
On the other side I also use cable (cable tv, docsys internet) with 15mpbs/1.5mbps and no cap for 23 EUR/month (vat included).
I have an old pc as a router - p233mmx which runs 24x7, does load-balancing and fail-over and probably uses about 5-7 EUR/month for electricity.
On the LAN i get about 10 hours of downtime each month, but on the cable I get up to 5\% packet loss at times (usually within 0.5\%).
So as seen from practice it is not impossible.I was working in a telco and if you go with the standard telco stuff - LL/fibre, CPE, SLA, etc the price would be at least 60 EUR/month for 1mbps and you have to pay between 140 EUR to 700 EUR installation fee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753085</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1255537140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, yes and no. I know that here in Australia, reasonable telephone access is (or, at least, was) a legal right, be it a phone in your home, or the payphone down the street. Telephone access doesn't grow on trees, yet it forms the basis for our communications, including our contact with emergency services.</p><p>Now, it is possible for someone to remove that right, but being a <i>legal</i> right, whoever did could be liable for the repercussions of such actions.</p><p>Besides, being from Australia, I don't really believe in rights being "inalienable". I think these rights can always be removed through intimidation, physical surgery, or even just a good old-fashioned murder. Sure there are some rights more fundamental than others, but it always seemed like an artificial distinction to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , yes and no .
I know that here in Australia , reasonable telephone access is ( or , at least , was ) a legal right , be it a phone in your home , or the payphone down the street .
Telephone access does n't grow on trees , yet it forms the basis for our communications , including our contact with emergency services.Now , it is possible for someone to remove that right , but being a legal right , whoever did could be liable for the repercussions of such actions.Besides , being from Australia , I do n't really believe in rights being " inalienable " .
I think these rights can always be removed through intimidation , physical surgery , or even just a good old-fashioned murder .
Sure there are some rights more fundamental than others , but it always seemed like an artificial distinction to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, yes and no.
I know that here in Australia, reasonable telephone access is (or, at least, was) a legal right, be it a phone in your home, or the payphone down the street.
Telephone access doesn't grow on trees, yet it forms the basis for our communications, including our contact with emergency services.Now, it is possible for someone to remove that right, but being a legal right, whoever did could be liable for the repercussions of such actions.Besides, being from Australia, I don't really believe in rights being "inalienable".
I think these rights can always be removed through intimidation, physical surgery, or even just a good old-fashioned murder.
Sure there are some rights more fundamental than others, but it always seemed like an artificial distinction to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752743</id>
	<title>It's not free as in beer!</title>
	<author>hydrofi</author>
	<datestamp>1255534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like correct some misunderstandings that several readers seem to have after reading the article title. This does NOT mean that every Finn will be getting a government-financed 1Mbit broadband starting next July (doh..) but rather it's something of an obligation to the government imposed by itself on itself, to provide every single address in Finland (including the extremely rural Northern villages in Lapland) with the <b>readiness</b> to start using a moderate broadband connection by next July. The customers will definitely still have to pay their TelCo of choice a monthly fee for providing the actual service (actually, I personaly just renewed my contract with the Telco for 24 months - I guess they would have said if broadband was going to be a free commodity by next year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p><p>The assumed logic behind this is, that as more and more of government functions and media are moving from physical media to the Internet, the technical readiness to access the Internet from one's home should be a civil right, just like running water, a telephone line and snail mail delivery. After this, the government can start moving more of its stuff to the Internet (e.g. some tax-money financed television content produced by the national broadcaster is already available only on-line), and they can rest easy that no one will file a complaint that a broadband Internet access is something of a luxury product (like it was in the early 90's), or that the government is giving priority to the South where broadband access was a few years back more abundant.</p><p>Of course, in practice 1Mb connections have been available in all urbanized and even less-urbanized areas for several years. I think this law will simply mean that the government will pay the TelCos some subsidies to build the last-mile cable even in the far, rural North, and in the very few Southern villages that are still without 1Mb broadband cables.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like correct some misunderstandings that several readers seem to have after reading the article title .
This does NOT mean that every Finn will be getting a government-financed 1Mbit broadband starting next July ( doh.. ) but rather it 's something of an obligation to the government imposed by itself on itself , to provide every single address in Finland ( including the extremely rural Northern villages in Lapland ) with the readiness to start using a moderate broadband connection by next July .
The customers will definitely still have to pay their TelCo of choice a monthly fee for providing the actual service ( actually , I personaly just renewed my contract with the Telco for 24 months - I guess they would have said if broadband was going to be a free commodity by next year : ) .The assumed logic behind this is , that as more and more of government functions and media are moving from physical media to the Internet , the technical readiness to access the Internet from one 's home should be a civil right , just like running water , a telephone line and snail mail delivery .
After this , the government can start moving more of its stuff to the Internet ( e.g .
some tax-money financed television content produced by the national broadcaster is already available only on-line ) , and they can rest easy that no one will file a complaint that a broadband Internet access is something of a luxury product ( like it was in the early 90 's ) , or that the government is giving priority to the South where broadband access was a few years back more abundant.Of course , in practice 1Mb connections have been available in all urbanized and even less-urbanized areas for several years .
I think this law will simply mean that the government will pay the TelCos some subsidies to build the last-mile cable even in the far , rural North , and in the very few Southern villages that are still without 1Mb broadband cables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like correct some misunderstandings that several readers seem to have after reading the article title.
This does NOT mean that every Finn will be getting a government-financed 1Mbit broadband starting next July (doh..) but rather it's something of an obligation to the government imposed by itself on itself, to provide every single address in Finland (including the extremely rural Northern villages in Lapland) with the readiness to start using a moderate broadband connection by next July.
The customers will definitely still have to pay their TelCo of choice a monthly fee for providing the actual service (actually, I personaly just renewed my contract with the Telco for 24 months - I guess they would have said if broadband was going to be a free commodity by next year :).The assumed logic behind this is, that as more and more of government functions and media are moving from physical media to the Internet, the technical readiness to access the Internet from one's home should be a civil right, just like running water, a telephone line and snail mail delivery.
After this, the government can start moving more of its stuff to the Internet (e.g.
some tax-money financed television content produced by the national broadcaster is already available only on-line), and they can rest easy that no one will file a complaint that a broadband Internet access is something of a luxury product (like it was in the early 90's), or that the government is giving priority to the South where broadband access was a few years back more abundant.Of course, in practice 1Mb connections have been available in all urbanized and even less-urbanized areas for several years.
I think this law will simply mean that the government will pay the TelCos some subsidies to build the last-mile cable even in the far, rural North, and in the very few Southern villages that are still without 1Mb broadband cables.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752283</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>schon</author>
	<datestamp>1255530060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare. But a right to have internet access? I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.</p></div><p>Because having food, shelter and clothing declared as rights all mean increased taxes, right?</p><p>Oh, wait..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food , shelter , clothing , and adequate healthcare .
But a right to have internet access ?
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland 's taxes.Because having food , shelter and clothing declared as rights all mean increased taxes , right ? Oh , wait. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand basic inalienable rights like food, shelter, clothing, and adequate healthcare.
But a right to have internet access?
I can only imagine what this will do to Finland's taxes.Because having food, shelter and clothing declared as rights all mean increased taxes, right?Oh, wait..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755237</id>
	<title>Re:That's for me!  But...</title>
	<author>tincho\_uy</author>
	<datestamp>1255609860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We actually have those. We just use Kelvins to measure them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>We actually have those .
We just use Kelvins to measure them : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We actually have those.
We just use Kelvins to measure them :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755611</id>
	<title>They'll all die of dehydration</title>
	<author>hessian</author>
	<datestamp>1255613520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too much porn in the winter months can do that.</p><p>But Finland does other things well:</p><p>* Beherit<br>* Demigod<br>* Belial<br>* Demilich<br>* Amorphis<br>* Sentenced<br>* Adramelech</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too much porn in the winter months can do that.But Finland does other things well : * Beherit * Demigod * Belial * Demilich * Amorphis * Sentenced * Adramelech</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too much porn in the winter months can do that.But Finland does other things well:* Beherit* Demigod* Belial* Demilich* Amorphis* Sentenced* Adramelech</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753027</id>
	<title>Re:But what does this actually mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255536600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with you</p></div><p>that's some serious latency.  probably not good for streaming media.  better use bittorrent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with youthat 's some serious latency .
probably not good for streaming media .
better use bittorrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>line up to use the communal pump and carry your buckets of bits back home with youthat's some serious latency.
probably not good for streaming media.
better use bittorrent.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751993</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255528080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives.</p></div></blockquote><p>If you truly believe that, then you'd bare [sic] the responsibility for your failure to take advantage of the free education you were offered through high school?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives.If you truly believe that , then you 'd bare [ sic ] the responsibility for your failure to take advantage of the free education you were offered through high school ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I am also not an advocate of free education above high school as I believe the onus is on the individual to take and bare some responsibility on their own lives.If you truly believe that, then you'd bare [sic] the responsibility for your failure to take advantage of the free education you were offered through high school?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753127</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>daemonenwind</author>
	<datestamp>1255537740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is a good deal to get things for free.</p><p>But economists tell us, there is no free lunch.</p><p>Politicians show us, government cannot give anyone anything, without first taking it away from someone else, and then skimming off the top.</p><p>It is a terrible deal to be forced by the full power of a national government to pay for everyone else's "free" things.</p><p>So you see, it's not free.  You just used the government to rob someone else.</p><p>Here's the ultimate question:<br>How long can you rob someone before they stop bothering to get any more money for you to steal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a good deal to get things for free.But economists tell us , there is no free lunch.Politicians show us , government can not give anyone anything , without first taking it away from someone else , and then skimming off the top.It is a terrible deal to be forced by the full power of a national government to pay for everyone else 's " free " things.So you see , it 's not free .
You just used the government to rob someone else.Here 's the ultimate question : How long can you rob someone before they stop bothering to get any more money for you to steal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a good deal to get things for free.But economists tell us, there is no free lunch.Politicians show us, government cannot give anyone anything, without first taking it away from someone else, and then skimming off the top.It is a terrible deal to be forced by the full power of a national government to pay for everyone else's "free" things.So you see, it's not free.
You just used the government to rob someone else.Here's the ultimate question:How long can you rob someone before they stop bothering to get any more money for you to steal?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29766195</id>
	<title>Disaster.</title>
	<author>Sean</author>
	<datestamp>1255635180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will guarantee internet will suck in Finland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will guarantee internet will suck in Finland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will guarantee internet will suck in Finland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753047</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>Flozzin</author>
	<datestamp>1255536780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the country is that bad may I suggest moving? Or will you just say you don't have the money? Just because something makes life more convenient doesn't mean it should be a right. You are choosing to live in the country. If you can't afford to move, get a better job. I live in a city and am able to make it just fine with no college degree( I am working on one ). Look for options they are there. But you won't see them if you are wallowing in self pity.

America is full of opportunity. You just need to be self motivated to go and get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the country is that bad may I suggest moving ?
Or will you just say you do n't have the money ?
Just because something makes life more convenient does n't mean it should be a right .
You are choosing to live in the country .
If you ca n't afford to move , get a better job .
I live in a city and am able to make it just fine with no college degree ( I am working on one ) .
Look for options they are there .
But you wo n't see them if you are wallowing in self pity .
America is full of opportunity .
You just need to be self motivated to go and get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the country is that bad may I suggest moving?
Or will you just say you don't have the money?
Just because something makes life more convenient doesn't mean it should be a right.
You are choosing to live in the country.
If you can't afford to move, get a better job.
I live in a city and am able to make it just fine with no college degree( I am working on one ).
Look for options they are there.
But you won't see them if you are wallowing in self pity.
America is full of opportunity.
You just need to be self motivated to go and get it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752371</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753851</id>
	<title>Is there a reliable source?</title>
	<author>apdyck</author>
	<datestamp>1255547580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone found a reliable source for this information? I searched around the Finnish Government web site and found nothing about it at all! I'd like to see some confirmation from, say, a Government office before I really trust that this will be law!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone found a reliable source for this information ?
I searched around the Finnish Government web site and found nothing about it at all !
I 'd like to see some confirmation from , say , a Government office before I really trust that this will be law !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone found a reliable source for this information?
I searched around the Finnish Government web site and found nothing about it at all!
I'd like to see some confirmation from, say, a Government office before I really trust that this will be law!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29776721</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>MathiasRav</author>
	<datestamp>1255784700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?</p></div><p>And surely, 1 Mbps will be enough for anyone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having said that , I do n't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it 's expensive to provide , and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps wo n't ? And surely , 1 Mbps will be enough for anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having said that, I don't really see the need for 100 Mbps internet access for everyone - it's expensive to provide, and what very important services does it provide that 1 Mbps won't?And surely, 1 Mbps will be enough for anyone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752629</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1255533000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a problem that rural areas getting empty - people are moving into cities.</p><p>This law is to counter that movement. 1M is not enough for telecommuting, for example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a problem that rural areas getting empty - people are moving into cities.This law is to counter that movement .
1M is not enough for telecommuting , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a problem that rural areas getting empty - people are moving into cities.This law is to counter that movement.
1M is not enough for telecommuting, for example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755033</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255607460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because 1 Mbps isn't enough for real time 1080p/i delivery over an internet connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because 1 Mbps is n't enough for real time 1080p/i delivery over an internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because 1 Mbps isn't enough for real time 1080p/i delivery over an internet connection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752071</id>
	<title>Re:Lucky</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1255528620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really?  Here in Ohio you can get 15 Mb/s for $57 a month from Time Warner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Here in Ohio you can get 15 Mb/s for $ 57 a month from Time Warner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Here in Ohio you can get 15 Mb/s for $57 a month from Time Warner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752169</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>Aris Katsaris</author>
	<datestamp>1255529220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's easy to defend the rights to freedom of speech or of assembly. Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one's existence. "</p><p>Hardly. You're merely accustomed to rights only referring to issues of Liberty.<br>Here in Europe we are also accustomed to rights referring also to matters of Equality, and social Solidarity as well.</p><p>A right to broadband access (even if it meant publically provided free broadband access) is no different conceptually than a right to a public free education - a right pertaining to Social Solidarity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's easy to defend the rights to freedom of speech or of assembly .
Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one 's existence .
" Hardly. You 're merely accustomed to rights only referring to issues of Liberty.Here in Europe we are also accustomed to rights referring also to matters of Equality , and social Solidarity as well.A right to broadband access ( even if it meant publically provided free broadband access ) is no different conceptually than a right to a public free education - a right pertaining to Social Solidarity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's easy to defend the rights to freedom of speech or of assembly.
Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one's existence.
"Hardly. You're merely accustomed to rights only referring to issues of Liberty.Here in Europe we are also accustomed to rights referring also to matters of Equality, and social Solidarity as well.A right to broadband access (even if it meant publically provided free broadband access) is no different conceptually than a right to a public free education - a right pertaining to Social Solidarity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753301</id>
	<title>And I have the right to have babies!!</title>
	<author>otis wildflower</author>
	<datestamp>1255539960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you oppress me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you oppress me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you oppress me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755587</id>
	<title>Re:As basic as Postal and Library service</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255613400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and then goverment communication can get routed to my gmail!?  I never check my paper mail and I'm always worried I'll find a jury duty notice in there when I check it every other month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and then goverment communication can get routed to my gmail ! ?
I never check my paper mail and I 'm always worried I 'll find a jury duty notice in there when I check it every other month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and then goverment communication can get routed to my gmail!?
I never check my paper mail and I'm always worried I'll find a jury duty notice in there when I check it every other month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751623</id>
	<title>Good to see</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255525500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that our ~75\% tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that our ~ 75 \ % tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that our ~75\% tax rate is funding the worthwhile entitlement of blazing 1Mb/s connection!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752347</id>
	<title>Re:That's for me! But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255530480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I understand, the coldest year was 1998.  It's been getting cooler of late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I understand , the coldest year was 1998 .
It 's been getting cooler of late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I understand, the coldest year was 1998.
It's been getting cooler of late.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752739</id>
	<title>Right to everything else?</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1255534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When do they pass the law for the right to everything else, I mean I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working, a right to house despite not paying rent, a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.</p><p>Screw work, it is for suckers, I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When do they pass the law for the right to everything else , I mean I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working , a right to house despite not paying rent , a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.Screw work , it is for suckers , I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When do they pass the law for the right to everything else, I mean I would like a right to a paycheck despite not working, a right to house despite not paying rent, a right to a signifigant other provided to me by the state of the gender of my choosing.Screw work, it is for suckers, I want to play video games all day and make the state pay for it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751691</id>
	<title>Right?</title>
	<author>ScentCone</author>
	<datestamp>1255526040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's easy to defend the <i>rights</i> to freedom of speech or of assembly. Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one's existence. But the right to broadband? Especially to a specific amount of bandwidth? Complete nonsense. What this really means is that the person getting the bandwidth has the power of government, with its ability to jail those that don't pay the appropriate taxes, to make bandwidth-providing slaves out of one group of people, so that another group can have the "right" to a service used (at that data rate) primarily by personal users for entertainment.
<br> <br>
So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor, and more Nanny Statism. Of course. And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a "right," this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to defend the rights to freedom of speech or of assembly .
Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one 's existence .
But the right to broadband ?
Especially to a specific amount of bandwidth ?
Complete nonsense .
What this really means is that the person getting the bandwidth has the power of government , with its ability to jail those that do n't pay the appropriate taxes , to make bandwidth-providing slaves out of one group of people , so that another group can have the " right " to a service used ( at that data rate ) primarily by personal users for entertainment .
So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor , and more Nanny Statism .
Of course .
And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a " right , " this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to defend the rights to freedom of speech or of assembly.
Those can be rationally derived from the fact of one's existence.
But the right to broadband?
Especially to a specific amount of bandwidth?
Complete nonsense.
What this really means is that the person getting the bandwidth has the power of government, with its ability to jail those that don't pay the appropriate taxes, to make bandwidth-providing slaves out of one group of people, so that another group can have the "right" to a service used (at that data rate) primarily by personal users for entertainment.
So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor, and more Nanny Statism.
Of course.
And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a "right," this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755677</id>
	<title>dumbass hypocrisy</title>
	<author>windex82</author>
	<datestamp>1255613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My roommate said to me the other day he thought that broadband should be provided by the government in the US.  This made my blood boil as he is completely against any kind of governmental health care.</p><p>Before moving in with him I was under the impression he was also into home security as he owned a few handguns, taken many defensive courses, goes out to the obstacle course 6-12 times a year, etc.  The first weekend he lets in a door to door security system sales person and procedes to show them around the place to point out all entrances to the home, what times we are at work, etc...</p><p>I surely hope other republicans aren't this stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My roommate said to me the other day he thought that broadband should be provided by the government in the US .
This made my blood boil as he is completely against any kind of governmental health care.Before moving in with him I was under the impression he was also into home security as he owned a few handguns , taken many defensive courses , goes out to the obstacle course 6-12 times a year , etc .
The first weekend he lets in a door to door security system sales person and procedes to show them around the place to point out all entrances to the home , what times we are at work , etc...I surely hope other republicans are n't this stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My roommate said to me the other day he thought that broadband should be provided by the government in the US.
This made my blood boil as he is completely against any kind of governmental health care.Before moving in with him I was under the impression he was also into home security as he owned a few handguns, taken many defensive courses, goes out to the obstacle course 6-12 times a year, etc.
The first weekend he lets in a door to door security system sales person and procedes to show them around the place to point out all entrances to the home, what times we are at work, etc...I surely hope other republicans aren't this stupid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752691</id>
	<title>TANSTAAFL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255533540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>what are the costs</htmltext>
<tokenext>what are the costs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what are the costs</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751647</id>
	<title>Not a right</title>
	<author>JefftheCpE</author>
	<datestamp>1255525680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A right is something that cannot be taken from you, not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.</p><p>If your rights are an imposition on someone else you're doing it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A right is something that can not be taken from you , not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.If your rights are an imposition on someone else you 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A right is something that cannot be taken from you, not an obligation on someone else to provide something to you.If your rights are an imposition on someone else you're doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754431</id>
	<title>Re:Idle hands</title>
	<author>risom</author>
	<datestamp>1255598520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should take a look at the state of Finlands economy - there is indeed not much else to do there as most things work just fine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should take a look at the state of Finlands economy - there is indeed not much else to do there as most things work just fine : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should take a look at the state of Finlands economy - there is indeed not much else to do there as most things work just fine :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751651</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754649</id>
	<title>Switzerland, not Finland</title>
	<author>kingturkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255601580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems Switzerland beat Finland to it: <a href="http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/14/finland-becomes-the-first-country-to-make-broadband-a-legal-right.html" title="intomobile.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/14/finland-becomes-the-first-country-to-make-broadband-a-legal-right.html</a> [intomobile.com] (scroll down to the update).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems Switzerland beat Finland to it : http : //www.intomobile.com/2009/10/14/finland-becomes-the-first-country-to-make-broadband-a-legal-right.html [ intomobile.com ] ( scroll down to the update ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems Switzerland beat Finland to it: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/14/finland-becomes-the-first-country-to-make-broadband-a-legal-right.html [intomobile.com] (scroll down to the update).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754205</id>
	<title>UK same silly idea on the horizon</title>
	<author>sce7mjm</author>
	<datestamp>1255638900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The uk are trying to roll out 2Mb broad band for everybody. This sounds like a good thing until you try using the internet on 512kb which almost every building in the uk can receive even those right at the end of a line. It is also perfectly useable for youtube etc. I think this is purely a subsidising scheme for the telecoms company ( cough bt cough ) to upgrade all it's lines. Effectively the users pay for the service and give the company that supply the service the funds to create the service that allows them to charge them at a higher rate whether they need it or not. (Just try getting 512kb broadband in a built up area theses days...possible but I bet you'll end up on a 2Mb package anyway). All a bit useless really if the house owners don't have a laptop / desktop that will work in the next 5 years ( due to vista and xp no doubt not being supported and unable to display the latest<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net advertising schemes that most websites are covered in). So the next great idea? Free laptops for everybody! Paid for by the tax payer! <br> <br>If I want a laptop and broadband I'll buy one. If somebody is on the dole and can't get a laptop. Help them get a job dont keep giving them free handouts so they can buy a massive telly an xbox a wii and play online so they can sit on thier bum not looking for jobs whilst still getting job seekers allowance.<br>
<br>

Sorry just realised I was ranting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The uk are trying to roll out 2Mb broad band for everybody .
This sounds like a good thing until you try using the internet on 512kb which almost every building in the uk can receive even those right at the end of a line .
It is also perfectly useable for youtube etc .
I think this is purely a subsidising scheme for the telecoms company ( cough bt cough ) to upgrade all it 's lines .
Effectively the users pay for the service and give the company that supply the service the funds to create the service that allows them to charge them at a higher rate whether they need it or not .
( Just try getting 512kb broadband in a built up area theses days...possible but I bet you 'll end up on a 2Mb package anyway ) .
All a bit useless really if the house owners do n't have a laptop / desktop that will work in the next 5 years ( due to vista and xp no doubt not being supported and unable to display the latest .Net advertising schemes that most websites are covered in ) .
So the next great idea ?
Free laptops for everybody !
Paid for by the tax payer !
If I want a laptop and broadband I 'll buy one .
If somebody is on the dole and ca n't get a laptop .
Help them get a job dont keep giving them free handouts so they can buy a massive telly an xbox a wii and play online so they can sit on thier bum not looking for jobs whilst still getting job seekers allowance .
Sorry just realised I was ranting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The uk are trying to roll out 2Mb broad band for everybody.
This sounds like a good thing until you try using the internet on 512kb which almost every building in the uk can receive even those right at the end of a line.
It is also perfectly useable for youtube etc.
I think this is purely a subsidising scheme for the telecoms company ( cough bt cough ) to upgrade all it's lines.
Effectively the users pay for the service and give the company that supply the service the funds to create the service that allows them to charge them at a higher rate whether they need it or not.
(Just try getting 512kb broadband in a built up area theses days...possible but I bet you'll end up on a 2Mb package anyway).
All a bit useless really if the house owners don't have a laptop / desktop that will work in the next 5 years ( due to vista and xp no doubt not being supported and unable to display the latest .Net advertising schemes that most websites are covered in).
So the next great idea?
Free laptops for everybody!
Paid for by the tax payer!
If I want a laptop and broadband I'll buy one.
If somebody is on the dole and can't get a laptop.
Help them get a job dont keep giving them free handouts so they can buy a massive telly an xbox a wii and play online so they can sit on thier bum not looking for jobs whilst still getting job seekers allowance.
Sorry just realised I was ranting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754635</id>
	<title>Re:Right to a broadband connection, minus the cont</title>
	<author>Fluffy Bunnies</author>
	<datestamp>1255601400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What good is the internet if they don't have the right to a private connection? blah blah blah Echelon</p><p>Look, I've run into that filter exactly once, which caused me to shrug and move on. It blocks child porn, some regular porn that looks like it might be child porn, and some guy's blog that contains a list of everything that is blocked. Yes, there is an ideological problem there, and yes, Finland isn't perfect. But are you seriously raising the question over whether having a broadband connection is any good if you can't access, what, a few hundred non-free porn sites and a single whiny blog?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What good is the internet if they do n't have the right to a private connection ?
blah blah blah EchelonLook , I 've run into that filter exactly once , which caused me to shrug and move on .
It blocks child porn , some regular porn that looks like it might be child porn , and some guy 's blog that contains a list of everything that is blocked .
Yes , there is an ideological problem there , and yes , Finland is n't perfect .
But are you seriously raising the question over whether having a broadband connection is any good if you ca n't access , what , a few hundred non-free porn sites and a single whiny blog ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good is the internet if they don't have the right to a private connection?
blah blah blah EchelonLook, I've run into that filter exactly once, which caused me to shrug and move on.
It blocks child porn, some regular porn that looks like it might be child porn, and some guy's blog that contains a list of everything that is blocked.
Yes, there is an ideological problem there, and yes, Finland isn't perfect.
But are you seriously raising the question over whether having a broadband connection is any good if you can't access, what, a few hundred non-free porn sites and a single whiny blog?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752105</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>Djupblue</author>
	<datestamp>1255528800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>640Kb Blah bla blah...</htmltext>
<tokenext>640Kb Blah bla blah.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>640Kb Blah bla blah...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751829</id>
	<title>Re:Right?</title>
	<author>RalphSleigh</author>
	<datestamp>1255526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor, and more Nanny Statism. Of course. And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a "right," this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next.</p></div><p>Here in Europe we like that kind of thing, YMMV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor , and more Nanny Statism .
Of course .
And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a " right , " this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next.Here in Europe we like that kind of thing , YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this new right is just yet another form of redistribution of the fruits of productive labor, and more Nanny Statism.
Of course.
And when you make getting the use of a dermatologist or an allergist a "right," this is exactly the sort of thing that comes next.Here in Europe we like that kind of thing, YMMV.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751747</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>(My) first post, from Finland. It doesn't seem that this connection is supposed to be FREE - just that some companies are obliged to provide such connections (at least 1 mbps, the local definition of "broadband") throughout the country. In other words, you would still have to pay for it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any mention of there being no charge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( My ) first post , from Finland .
It does n't seem that this connection is supposed to be FREE - just that some companies are obliged to provide such connections ( at least 1 mbps , the local definition of " broadband " ) throughout the country .
In other words , you would still have to pay for it .
Correct me if I 'm wrong , but I have n't seen any mention of there being no charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(My) first post, from Finland.
It doesn't seem that this connection is supposed to be FREE - just that some companies are obliged to provide such connections (at least 1 mbps, the local definition of "broadband") throughout the country.
In other words, you would still have to pay for it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any mention of there being no charge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752549</id>
	<title>Right to a broadband connection, minus the content</title>
	<author>Adrian Lopez</author>
	<datestamp>1255532160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they don't have the right to an unfiltered connection? In case you didn't know, a filter maintained by Finnish police that's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content, including a website critical of Finland's internet filter:</p><p><a href="http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html" title="effi.org">http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html</a> [effi.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they do n't have the right to an unfiltered connection ?
In case you did n't know , a filter maintained by Finnish police that 's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content , including a website critical of Finland 's internet filter : http : //www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html [ effi.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What good is the right to a broadband connection if they don't have the right to an unfiltered connection?
In case you didn't know, a filter maintained by Finnish police that's supposed to block child pornography also blocks other content, including a website critical of Finland's internet filter:http://www.effi.org/blog/kai-2008-02-18.html [effi.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29755061</id>
	<title>Re:Right to a broadband connection, minus the cont</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1255607820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please check the date on that article. All of the sites that were claimed to be blocked, are no longer blocked (I know, I checked them all just now, and I live in Finland). Yes, there were some problems in the beginning when they implemented the filtering. And I absolutely do not agree that filtering should be allowed on the net. But I can say truthfully, I have never seen a site actually blocked by this filtering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please check the date on that article .
All of the sites that were claimed to be blocked , are no longer blocked ( I know , I checked them all just now , and I live in Finland ) .
Yes , there were some problems in the beginning when they implemented the filtering .
And I absolutely do not agree that filtering should be allowed on the net .
But I can say truthfully , I have never seen a site actually blocked by this filtering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please check the date on that article.
All of the sites that were claimed to be blocked, are no longer blocked (I know, I checked them all just now, and I live in Finland).
Yes, there were some problems in the beginning when they implemented the filtering.
And I absolutely do not agree that filtering should be allowed on the net.
But I can say truthfully, I have never seen a site actually blocked by this filtering.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753117</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1255537560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This IS the Nordic women we're talking about. I'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.</p><p>No honestly, do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs? I swear every picture I've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This IS the Nordic women we 're talking about .
I 'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.No honestly , do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs ?
I swear every picture I 've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This IS the Nordic women we're talking about.
I'm sure even a bumbling slashdotter could land something decent.No honestly, do you guys have fat unattractive girls over there that no one photographs?
I swear every picture I've seen taken in Sweden or Finland looks like the hot sorority house on campus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751667</id>
	<title>Re:I understand these modern times and all...</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1255525860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I need air to breathe, food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep at night.</i> </p><p>If you live in Finland you'll probably also want some means of warming your dwelling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I need air to breathe , food to eat , clothes to wear , and a place to sleep at night .
If you live in Finland you 'll probably also want some means of warming your dwelling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I need air to breathe, food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep at night.
If you live in Finland you'll probably also want some means of warming your dwelling.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753537</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>Rick17JJ</author>
	<datestamp>1255543800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was stuck with 26.4K dial-up, until about 3 years ago, here in Arizona.  The local telephone lines were not good enough for 28.8 K, 32 K, or 56 K dial-up.  I could not get cable or DSL either. That would be understandable if I were a rancher out in the middle of nowhere, but I actually live on the edge of a small city.<br><br>Back then, I had taken several classes at a Junior College, in which much of the required study material was available online.  The online study material had lots of graphics and was very slow to download on 26.4K dial-up.  Well, I did at least have the option of making the 4 mile drive over to the college and using one of their computers instead.<br><br>Several years ago, I noticed a several mile long ditch being dug from the nearest small windowless telephone building to the next nearest such small windowless telephone building.  I could see that they were installing several miles of conduit, from one building to the other, in the ditch.  I asked a telephone employee, working nearby, if they were upgrading the system to where DSL (or at least 56K dial-up) would be available.   He said that they had just finished installing a new switch in the building, which should soon make DSL possible, but were waiting for the power supply to be upgraded to the quality required by new switch needed.<br><br>About a year after they finished, DSL did eventually became available.  I now  have a 1.5Mb/800K DSL connection. I am quite happy with 1.5 Mb DSL, but living less than 1/2 a mile from their brand new switch, I am surprised that they did not offer the option of an even higher speed.  But, for what I do online, I would probably rarely be able to tell the difference, even if it were faster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was stuck with 26.4K dial-up , until about 3 years ago , here in Arizona .
The local telephone lines were not good enough for 28.8 K , 32 K , or 56 K dial-up .
I could not get cable or DSL either .
That would be understandable if I were a rancher out in the middle of nowhere , but I actually live on the edge of a small city.Back then , I had taken several classes at a Junior College , in which much of the required study material was available online .
The online study material had lots of graphics and was very slow to download on 26.4K dial-up .
Well , I did at least have the option of making the 4 mile drive over to the college and using one of their computers instead.Several years ago , I noticed a several mile long ditch being dug from the nearest small windowless telephone building to the next nearest such small windowless telephone building .
I could see that they were installing several miles of conduit , from one building to the other , in the ditch .
I asked a telephone employee , working nearby , if they were upgrading the system to where DSL ( or at least 56K dial-up ) would be available .
He said that they had just finished installing a new switch in the building , which should soon make DSL possible , but were waiting for the power supply to be upgraded to the quality required by new switch needed.About a year after they finished , DSL did eventually became available .
I now have a 1.5Mb/800K DSL connection .
I am quite happy with 1.5 Mb DSL , but living less than 1/2 a mile from their brand new switch , I am surprised that they did not offer the option of an even higher speed .
But , for what I do online , I would probably rarely be able to tell the difference , even if it were faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was stuck with 26.4K dial-up, until about 3 years ago, here in Arizona.
The local telephone lines were not good enough for 28.8 K, 32 K, or 56 K dial-up.
I could not get cable or DSL either.
That would be understandable if I were a rancher out in the middle of nowhere, but I actually live on the edge of a small city.Back then, I had taken several classes at a Junior College, in which much of the required study material was available online.
The online study material had lots of graphics and was very slow to download on 26.4K dial-up.
Well, I did at least have the option of making the 4 mile drive over to the college and using one of their computers instead.Several years ago, I noticed a several mile long ditch being dug from the nearest small windowless telephone building to the next nearest such small windowless telephone building.
I could see that they were installing several miles of conduit, from one building to the other, in the ditch.
I asked a telephone employee, working nearby, if they were upgrading the system to where DSL (or at least 56K dial-up) would be available.
He said that they had just finished installing a new switch in the building, which should soon make DSL possible, but were waiting for the power supply to be upgraded to the quality required by new switch needed.About a year after they finished, DSL did eventually became available.
I now  have a 1.5Mb/800K DSL connection.
I am quite happy with 1.5 Mb DSL, but living less than 1/2 a mile from their brand new switch, I am surprised that they did not offer the option of an even higher speed.
But, for what I do online, I would probably rarely be able to tell the difference, even if it were faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29753741</id>
	<title>Re:This bothers me</title>
	<author>Eskarel</author>
	<datestamp>1255546140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments do not grant rights, people do. All governments function because the people believe they have the right to do so, even dictatorships. If your army doesn't believe you should rule, you don't. If your people are willing to die to prevent you from ruling, you can't.</p><p>Most of the time these "granted" rights are just extensions of the right to equal treatment. People don't necessarily have a fundamental right to broadband, but if people who live in city X can have broadband at a reasonable price, and that broadband provides them with an advantage, then people in city Y should have the same ability to get broadband at a reasonable price.</p><p>This isn't free broadband, it's guaranteeing service to less profitable areas to prevent creating a second class of citizens. Most societies need the people who live in the rural areas to do what they're doing(usually growing the food the rest of us eat). To deny those people the same access to information that the rest of us have simply because of where they live is the problem, not the access in and of itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments do not grant rights , people do .
All governments function because the people believe they have the right to do so , even dictatorships .
If your army does n't believe you should rule , you do n't .
If your people are willing to die to prevent you from ruling , you ca n't.Most of the time these " granted " rights are just extensions of the right to equal treatment .
People do n't necessarily have a fundamental right to broadband , but if people who live in city X can have broadband at a reasonable price , and that broadband provides them with an advantage , then people in city Y should have the same ability to get broadband at a reasonable price.This is n't free broadband , it 's guaranteeing service to less profitable areas to prevent creating a second class of citizens .
Most societies need the people who live in the rural areas to do what they 're doing ( usually growing the food the rest of us eat ) .
To deny those people the same access to information that the rest of us have simply because of where they live is the problem , not the access in and of itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments do not grant rights, people do.
All governments function because the people believe they have the right to do so, even dictatorships.
If your army doesn't believe you should rule, you don't.
If your people are willing to die to prevent you from ruling, you can't.Most of the time these "granted" rights are just extensions of the right to equal treatment.
People don't necessarily have a fundamental right to broadband, but if people who live in city X can have broadband at a reasonable price, and that broadband provides them with an advantage, then people in city Y should have the same ability to get broadband at a reasonable price.This isn't free broadband, it's guaranteeing service to less profitable areas to prevent creating a second class of citizens.
Most societies need the people who live in the rural areas to do what they're doing(usually growing the food the rest of us eat).
To deny those people the same access to information that the rest of us have simply because of where they live is the problem, not the access in and of itself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752667</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255533360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's pretty amazing that people can't see through that BS to understand that costs will go up, quality will go down and rationing will be the result</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's pretty amazing that people ca n't see through that BS to understand that costs will go up , quality will go down and rationing will be the result</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's pretty amazing that people can't see through that BS to understand that costs will go up, quality will go down and rationing will be the result</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754835</id>
	<title>Re:Not a right</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1255604700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, if 'society' decides that we should no longer speak freely, that right disappears?</p></div><p>Read Judge Dredd.  Society does not cease to exist outright when the right to freedom of speech is lost.  That does not, mind you, mean that I am advocating fascism.</p><p>What I am saying is that by my own definition, while certainly highly desirable, freedom of speech is an indirect rather than direct right, in the sense that removal of said right, in and of itself, does not automatically guarantee the loss of human life, but it could be said subsequent loss of human life will generally (but not always) occur when freedom of speech is removed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if 'society ' decides that we should no longer speak freely , that right disappears ? Read Judge Dredd .
Society does not cease to exist outright when the right to freedom of speech is lost .
That does not , mind you , mean that I am advocating fascism.What I am saying is that by my own definition , while certainly highly desirable , freedom of speech is an indirect rather than direct right , in the sense that removal of said right , in and of itself , does not automatically guarantee the loss of human life , but it could be said subsequent loss of human life will generally ( but not always ) occur when freedom of speech is removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if 'society' decides that we should no longer speak freely, that right disappears?Read Judge Dredd.
Society does not cease to exist outright when the right to freedom of speech is lost.
That does not, mind you, mean that I am advocating fascism.What I am saying is that by my own definition, while certainly highly desirable, freedom of speech is an indirect rather than direct right, in the sense that removal of said right, in and of itself, does not automatically guarantee the loss of human life, but it could be said subsequent loss of human life will generally (but not always) occur when freedom of speech is removed.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29752305</id>
	<title>Re:This is crazy</title>
	<author>kz45</author>
	<datestamp>1255530180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Do you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US, or Liberalism, generally? Either way, I don't think that term is useful or productive, especially when the context here is Finland."</p><p>He means, liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms.  Sure, you may be able to get great broadband in Finland after this passes, but people from the working class will be left without another choice because they are forced to pay for it with taxes.</p><p>Many people in Sweden, Finland, and Norway (and any other country with ridiculously high taxes) can barely save any money because the majority of it (majority = &gt;60\%) is taken and used toward taxes.  This isn't freedom to me.  I would like the freedom to spend the money that I earn in any way that I see fit.</p><p>"In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff", while in Europe, it's "Keep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!" Left-wing? Perhaps. But I suspect one side is getting a good deal, while the other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, what's the state of broadband in the US?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)"</p><p>Pretty damn good if you ask me.  I have had broadband here in the US since '97.  You can get it in pretty much every city for an affordable price.</p><p>I suppose when most of your paycheck is going to the government, your priorities are a little different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Do you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US , or Liberalism , generally ?
Either way , I do n't think that term is useful or productive , especially when the context here is Finland .
" He means , liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms .
Sure , you may be able to get great broadband in Finland after this passes , but people from the working class will be left without another choice because they are forced to pay for it with taxes.Many people in Sweden , Finland , and Norway ( and any other country with ridiculously high taxes ) can barely save any money because the majority of it ( majority = &gt; 60 \ % ) is taken and used toward taxes .
This is n't freedom to me .
I would like the freedom to spend the money that I earn in any way that I see fit .
" In the US , the crowds shout " We insist on being free so do n't dare try and give us any stuff " , while in Europe , it 's " Keep giving us free stuff or we 'll bring you down !
" Left-wing ?
Perhaps. But I suspect one side is getting a good deal , while the other ... well , what 's the state of broadband in the US ?
; - ) " Pretty damn good if you ask me .
I have had broadband here in the US since '97 .
You can get it in pretty much every city for an affordable price.I suppose when most of your paycheck is going to the government , your priorities are a little different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Do you mean liberalism as defined by the various political parties and interest groups in the US, or Liberalism, generally?
Either way, I don't think that term is useful or productive, especially when the context here is Finland.
"He means, liberalism as in the government forcing another program on its people that will eat away at their freedoms.
Sure, you may be able to get great broadband in Finland after this passes, but people from the working class will be left without another choice because they are forced to pay for it with taxes.Many people in Sweden, Finland, and Norway (and any other country with ridiculously high taxes) can barely save any money because the majority of it (majority = &gt;60\%) is taken and used toward taxes.
This isn't freedom to me.
I would like the freedom to spend the money that I earn in any way that I see fit.
"In the US, the crowds shout "We insist on being free so don't dare try and give us any stuff", while in Europe, it's "Keep giving us free stuff or we'll bring you down!
" Left-wing?
Perhaps. But I suspect one side is getting a good deal, while the other ... well, what's the state of broadband in the US?
;-)"Pretty damn good if you ask me.
I have had broadband here in the US since '97.
You can get it in pretty much every city for an affordable price.I suppose when most of your paycheck is going to the government, your priorities are a little different.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754651</id>
	<title>This is pretexting</title>
	<author>Fizzl</author>
	<datestamp>1255601580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a national TV license fee in Finland which everyone who owns a TV has to pay. It has been customary that large part of the population does not pay the fee despite owning a TV. It's a national sport to tell the license inspectors to fuck off because they have no right to enter your home to find he TV unless you give them permission.<br>However, nowadays, increasingly large part of the population, including me, does not own a TV and welcome the impotent and frustrated inspectors to peek behind the curtains and sample your laundry basket in search of the elusive television.</p><p>SO!</p><p>Now there's plans to impose a "Media license", mandatory to every house hold no matter what. Sounds unfair? Have to pay some kind of license for nothing you have control over? No way to avoid? Which provides you with nothing you want? So thinks majority of the population. No-one wants this shit but everyone assumes it will be strong armed through the legislation by YLE, the national state owned "public service" TV and radio network, who is presumed to get all the benefits of this new fee.</p><p>Pretext!</p><p>This legislation seems to be pretexting to provide a mandatory service for the mandatory fee. What if I don't need or want the shitty 1MB mandatory tube? No matter, it is provided, so pay up or we'll break your legs.<br>Well, shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a national TV license fee in Finland which everyone who owns a TV has to pay .
It has been customary that large part of the population does not pay the fee despite owning a TV .
It 's a national sport to tell the license inspectors to fuck off because they have no right to enter your home to find he TV unless you give them permission.However , nowadays , increasingly large part of the population , including me , does not own a TV and welcome the impotent and frustrated inspectors to peek behind the curtains and sample your laundry basket in search of the elusive television.SO ! Now there 's plans to impose a " Media license " , mandatory to every house hold no matter what .
Sounds unfair ?
Have to pay some kind of license for nothing you have control over ?
No way to avoid ?
Which provides you with nothing you want ?
So thinks majority of the population .
No-one wants this shit but everyone assumes it will be strong armed through the legislation by YLE , the national state owned " public service " TV and radio network , who is presumed to get all the benefits of this new fee.Pretext ! This legislation seems to be pretexting to provide a mandatory service for the mandatory fee .
What if I do n't need or want the shitty 1MB mandatory tube ?
No matter , it is provided , so pay up or we 'll break your legs.Well , shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a national TV license fee in Finland which everyone who owns a TV has to pay.
It has been customary that large part of the population does not pay the fee despite owning a TV.
It's a national sport to tell the license inspectors to fuck off because they have no right to enter your home to find he TV unless you give them permission.However, nowadays, increasingly large part of the population, including me, does not own a TV and welcome the impotent and frustrated inspectors to peek behind the curtains and sample your laundry basket in search of the elusive television.SO!Now there's plans to impose a "Media license", mandatory to every house hold no matter what.
Sounds unfair?
Have to pay some kind of license for nothing you have control over?
No way to avoid?
Which provides you with nothing you want?
So thinks majority of the population.
No-one wants this shit but everyone assumes it will be strong armed through the legislation by YLE, the national state owned "public service" TV and radio network, who is presumed to get all the benefits of this new fee.Pretext!This legislation seems to be pretexting to provide a mandatory service for the mandatory fee.
What if I don't need or want the shitty 1MB mandatory tube?
No matter, it is provided, so pay up or we'll break your legs.Well, shit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754169</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we sign up in the US?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255638420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People have shoes in rural America?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People have shoes in rural America ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have shoes in rural America?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29751921</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1255527540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really understand a "right" to "adequate healthcare"?  What might be the limit to this "right"?  I mean, does a 100 year old person have as much of a "right" to some organ replacement surgery or expensive cancer drugs as a 6 year old?  What constitutes "adequate" care?  Is there any "right" to quality of life or freedom or recreation, or just a "right" to life itself and working for it's perpetual extension?</p><p>I mean, I understand exactly where negative rights end.  The right to freedom of speech, to religion, liberty, to self-defense and travel.  They all have the same, very reasonable limit.  And if by right to "healthcare", you mean the right to ingest whatever poisons you think will enhance or extend your life, great.  Go for it.  But somehow I don't think that's what you mean.  I think you mean you'd like the "right" to force others to provide you with healthcare, the positive "right" to healthcare.</p><p>So I'll tell you what the limit is:  there is no limit.  It's simply retarded, and ill-thought-out.  A "right" to healthcare would just ensure that 90\% of people are drafted into working to provide each other with infinite lifespans.  We all spend our time working to fill the world with the elderly and infirm.  It's absolutely not an endeavour in which I will willingly participate.  It's a dystopia of weak, short-sighted, selfish fools imposing their stupidity on each other.</p><p>So if you truly value your health, don't even think of imposing your vision of health on me.  I am already healthier than the vast majority of the proponents of a "right" to healthcare ever will be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really understand a " right " to " adequate healthcare " ?
What might be the limit to this " right " ?
I mean , does a 100 year old person have as much of a " right " to some organ replacement surgery or expensive cancer drugs as a 6 year old ?
What constitutes " adequate " care ?
Is there any " right " to quality of life or freedom or recreation , or just a " right " to life itself and working for it 's perpetual extension ? I mean , I understand exactly where negative rights end .
The right to freedom of speech , to religion , liberty , to self-defense and travel .
They all have the same , very reasonable limit .
And if by right to " healthcare " , you mean the right to ingest whatever poisons you think will enhance or extend your life , great .
Go for it .
But somehow I do n't think that 's what you mean .
I think you mean you 'd like the " right " to force others to provide you with healthcare , the positive " right " to healthcare.So I 'll tell you what the limit is : there is no limit .
It 's simply retarded , and ill-thought-out .
A " right " to healthcare would just ensure that 90 \ % of people are drafted into working to provide each other with infinite lifespans .
We all spend our time working to fill the world with the elderly and infirm .
It 's absolutely not an endeavour in which I will willingly participate .
It 's a dystopia of weak , short-sighted , selfish fools imposing their stupidity on each other.So if you truly value your health , do n't even think of imposing your vision of health on me .
I am already healthier than the vast majority of the proponents of a " right " to healthcare ever will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really understand a "right" to "adequate healthcare"?
What might be the limit to this "right"?
I mean, does a 100 year old person have as much of a "right" to some organ replacement surgery or expensive cancer drugs as a 6 year old?
What constitutes "adequate" care?
Is there any "right" to quality of life or freedom or recreation, or just a "right" to life itself and working for it's perpetual extension?I mean, I understand exactly where negative rights end.
The right to freedom of speech, to religion, liberty, to self-defense and travel.
They all have the same, very reasonable limit.
And if by right to "healthcare", you mean the right to ingest whatever poisons you think will enhance or extend your life, great.
Go for it.
But somehow I don't think that's what you mean.
I think you mean you'd like the "right" to force others to provide you with healthcare, the positive "right" to healthcare.So I'll tell you what the limit is:  there is no limit.
It's simply retarded, and ill-thought-out.
A "right" to healthcare would just ensure that 90\% of people are drafted into working to provide each other with infinite lifespans.
We all spend our time working to fill the world with the elderly and infirm.
It's absolutely not an endeavour in which I will willingly participate.
It's a dystopia of weak, short-sighted, selfish fools imposing their stupidity on each other.So if you truly value your health, don't even think of imposing your vision of health on me.
I am already healthier than the vast majority of the proponents of a "right" to healthcare ever will be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_2229231.29754403</id>
	<title>Re:Universal service obligations</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255598100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'expense' is mostly artificial.  Laying the lines costs money.  Going from 5mb to a few gb is a relatively trivial expense if theres already copper in the ground.  Got fibre?  The sky is the limit.  The upgrade cost once the cable is laid is dirt cheap as the technology the supports it can do things faster on the same wire/fibre.</p><p>Copper isn't a great upgrade path, but its certainly doable, fiber is far easier.</p><p>By 2015, 100MB sounds about like a fair offering in a sane environment, the technology is already well beyond whats needed to provide it.</p><p>With that said, I certainly don't see it as a requirement.  Of course, I think considering Internet access or even telephone access something that should be considered a right is just completely off the silly scale, so i may not be the best gauge to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'expense ' is mostly artificial .
Laying the lines costs money .
Going from 5mb to a few gb is a relatively trivial expense if theres already copper in the ground .
Got fibre ?
The sky is the limit .
The upgrade cost once the cable is laid is dirt cheap as the technology the supports it can do things faster on the same wire/fibre.Copper is n't a great upgrade path , but its certainly doable , fiber is far easier.By 2015 , 100MB sounds about like a fair offering in a sane environment , the technology is already well beyond whats needed to provide it.With that said , I certainly do n't see it as a requirement .
Of course , I think considering Internet access or even telephone access something that should be considered a right is just completely off the silly scale , so i may not be the best gauge to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'expense' is mostly artificial.
Laying the lines costs money.
Going from 5mb to a few gb is a relatively trivial expense if theres already copper in the ground.
Got fibre?
The sky is the limit.
The upgrade cost once the cable is laid is dirt cheap as the technology the supports it can do things faster on the same wire/fibre.Copper isn't a great upgrade path, but its certainly doable, fiber is far easier.By 2015, 100MB sounds about like a fair offering in a sane environment, the technology is already well beyond whats needed to provide it.With that said, I certainly don't see it as a requirement.
Of course, I think considering Internet access or even telephone access something that should be considered a right is just completely off the silly scale, so i may not be the best gauge to use.</sentencetext>
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