<article>
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	<title>EFF Warns TI Not To Harass Calculator Hobbyists</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1255436640000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://poncacityweloveyou.com/" rel="nofollow">Ponca City, We love you</a> writes <i>"The EFF has warned Texas Instruments <a href="http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/10/13">not to pursue legal threats against calculator hobbyists who perform modifications</a> to the company's programmable graphing calculators. TI's calculators perform a 'signature check' that allows only approved operating systems to be loaded, but researchers have <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/21/1418256/TI-vs-Calculator-Hackers?from=rss">reverse-engineered signing keys</a>, allowing tinkerers to install custom operating systems and unlock new functionality in the calculators' hardware. In response, TI has unleashed a torrent of demand letters claiming that the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act <a href="http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid56202/">require the hobbyists to take down commentary about and links to the keys</a>. 'This is not about copyright infringement. This is about running your own software on your own device &mdash; a calculator you legally bought,' says EFF Civil Liberties Director Jennifer Granick. 'Yet TI still issued empty legal threats in an attempt to shut down discussion of this legitimate tinkering. Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ponca City , We love you writes " The EFF has warned Texas Instruments not to pursue legal threats against calculator hobbyists who perform modifications to the company 's programmable graphing calculators .
TI 's calculators perform a 'signature check ' that allows only approved operating systems to be loaded , but researchers have reverse-engineered signing keys , allowing tinkerers to install custom operating systems and unlock new functionality in the calculators ' hardware .
In response , TI has unleashed a torrent of demand letters claiming that the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act require the hobbyists to take down commentary about and links to the keys .
'This is not about copyright infringement .
This is about running your own software on your own device    a calculator you legally bought, ' says EFF Civil Liberties Director Jennifer Granick .
'Yet TI still issued empty legal threats in an attempt to shut down discussion of this legitimate tinkering .
Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better , in the best tradition of American innovation .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ponca City, We love you writes "The EFF has warned Texas Instruments not to pursue legal threats against calculator hobbyists who perform modifications to the company's programmable graphing calculators.
TI's calculators perform a 'signature check' that allows only approved operating systems to be loaded, but researchers have reverse-engineered signing keys, allowing tinkerers to install custom operating systems and unlock new functionality in the calculators' hardware.
In response, TI has unleashed a torrent of demand letters claiming that the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act require the hobbyists to take down commentary about and links to the keys.
'This is not about copyright infringement.
This is about running your own software on your own device — a calculator you legally bought,' says EFF Civil Liberties Director Jennifer Granick.
'Yet TI still issued empty legal threats in an attempt to shut down discussion of this legitimate tinkering.
Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739829</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>PrimaryConsult</author>
	<datestamp>1255443120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, like an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal\_number" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Illegal Number</a> [wikipedia.org]...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , like an Illegal Number [ wikipedia.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, like an Illegal Number [wikipedia.org]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29762723</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255602000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators.</p></div><p>Very, VERY bad example. A program that brings (rudimentary) symbolic manipulation to the TI-83+ has been around for eight years now: <a href="http://www.detachedsolutions.com/symbolic/" title="detachedsolutions.com" rel="nofollow">Symbolic</a> [detachedsolutions.com]. Most importantly, it lets you calculate derivatives of functions (but no integrals) and do simplification. This can be installed on ANY 83+, without the need to bypass any security measures.<br>To make your example even worse, Symbolic was created by one of the calculator hobbyists this news article is about.</p><p>RvW<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// Too lazy to create an account</p></div>
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<tokenext>But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83 's that had undocumented , unfair functions ( such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89 ) , the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators.Very , VERY bad example .
A program that brings ( rudimentary ) symbolic manipulation to the TI-83 + has been around for eight years now : Symbolic [ detachedsolutions.com ] .
Most importantly , it lets you calculate derivatives of functions ( but no integrals ) and do simplification .
This can be installed on ANY 83 + , without the need to bypass any security measures.To make your example even worse , Symbolic was created by one of the calculator hobbyists this news article is about.RvW // Too lazy to create an account</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators.Very, VERY bad example.
A program that brings (rudimentary) symbolic manipulation to the TI-83+ has been around for eight years now: Symbolic [detachedsolutions.com].
Most importantly, it lets you calculate derivatives of functions (but no integrals) and do simplification.
This can be installed on ANY 83+, without the need to bypass any security measures.To make your example even worse, Symbolic was created by one of the calculator hobbyists this news article is about.RvW // Too lazy to create an account
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741027</id>
	<title>Re:because TI makes a shitload off of exams</title>
	<author>hardburn</author>
	<datestamp>1255453920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's ultimately TI's problem. In any case, there's hardly any need to reprogram the OS to do that. There's plenty of programs out there you're not supposed to have for the SAT, and they make you clear the memory before taking the test. This only led to a bunch of programs that mimicked the "Clear Memory" screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's ultimately TI 's problem .
In any case , there 's hardly any need to reprogram the OS to do that .
There 's plenty of programs out there you 're not supposed to have for the SAT , and they make you clear the memory before taking the test .
This only led to a bunch of programs that mimicked the " Clear Memory " screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's ultimately TI's problem.
In any case, there's hardly any need to reprogram the OS to do that.
There's plenty of programs out there you're not supposed to have for the SAT, and they make you clear the memory before taking the test.
This only led to a bunch of programs that mimicked the "Clear Memory" screen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29743139</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1255526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh don't you worry about beating "don't copy that floppy" -- the SIIA has released "don't copy that 2," complete with scaremongering tactics that claim you will be thrown in jail for copyright infringement, or if you are a minor, then a SWAT team will chase down your mother and throw her in jail.  Naturally, the SIIA attempts to portray the entire warez community as being greedy and seeking to profit from illegally copying software, reality notwithstanding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh do n't you worry about beating " do n't copy that floppy " -- the SIIA has released " do n't copy that 2 , " complete with scaremongering tactics that claim you will be thrown in jail for copyright infringement , or if you are a minor , then a SWAT team will chase down your mother and throw her in jail .
Naturally , the SIIA attempts to portray the entire warez community as being greedy and seeking to profit from illegally copying software , reality notwithstanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh don't you worry about beating "don't copy that floppy" -- the SIIA has released "don't copy that 2," complete with scaremongering tactics that claim you will be thrown in jail for copyright infringement, or if you are a minor, then a SWAT team will chase down your mother and throw her in jail.
Naturally, the SIIA attempts to portray the entire warez community as being greedy and seeking to profit from illegally copying software, reality notwithstanding.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739617</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1255441740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the EFF lawyers clearly explain in their letter to TI, you are quite wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the EFF lawyers clearly explain in their letter to TI , you are quite wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the EFF lawyers clearly explain in their letter to TI, you are quite wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740567</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>arose</author>
	<datestamp>1255449480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features. nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.</p></div></blockquote><p>
None of that has any relevance to the DMCA...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features .
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical , one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier .
None of that has any relevance to the DMCA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features.
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.
None of that has any relevance to the DMCA...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740275</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>athlon02</author>
	<datestamp>1255447020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're kidding, but the sad thing is that this is probably just company lawyers trying to justify their jobs.  Most TI engineers are likely to not care or love the hacks for the geek factor.  TI ought to capitalize on this, not suppress it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're kidding , but the sad thing is that this is probably just company lawyers trying to justify their jobs .
Most TI engineers are likely to not care or love the hacks for the geek factor .
TI ought to capitalize on this , not suppress it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're kidding, but the sad thing is that this is probably just company lawyers trying to justify their jobs.
Most TI engineers are likely to not care or love the hacks for the geek factor.
TI ought to capitalize on this, not suppress it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741807</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255551720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation"?  I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint."</p></div><p>The one country in the world with the most hardcore software patent policy. I love this flagwaving bullshit. <br>
&nbsp; <br>-But sir, development is constantly being shut down due to patenting and royalty encumbered technology. Funcions that are so basic are patented, functions that in the real world it would be like moving an arm. All of this in our beloved America!<br>-Damn it Johnson! You listen to me and you listen to me good. Look at that flag and tell me you wouldn't die for it. LOOK AT IT!<br>-I... I'm sorry sir, I don't know what got into me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better , in the best tradition of American innovation " ?
I think you misspelled " Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI 's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint .
" The one country in the world with the most hardcore software patent policy .
I love this flagwaving bullshit .
  -But sir , development is constantly being shut down due to patenting and royalty encumbered technology .
Funcions that are so basic are patented , functions that in the real world it would be like moving an arm .
All of this in our beloved America ! -Damn it Johnson !
You listen to me and you listen to me good .
Look at that flag and tell me you would n't die for it .
LOOK AT IT ! -I... I 'm sorry sir , I do n't know what got into me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation"?
I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint.
"The one country in the world with the most hardcore software patent policy.
I love this flagwaving bullshit.
  -But sir, development is constantly being shut down due to patenting and royalty encumbered technology.
Funcions that are so basic are patented, functions that in the real world it would be like moving an arm.
All of this in our beloved America!-Damn it Johnson!
You listen to me and you listen to me good.
Look at that flag and tell me you wouldn't die for it.
LOOK AT IT!-I... I'm sorry sir, I don't know what got into me.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739607</id>
	<title>Re:I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>JohnFen</author>
	<datestamp>1255441680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not flame, just point out that you're wrong according to established law. Courts have clearly ruled a number of times that you can do whatever you want to equipment you legally own. Courts have even ruled that you can reverse-engineer software.</p><p>TI might not like it, but tough cookies. It's not their device once you've purchased it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not flame , just point out that you 're wrong according to established law .
Courts have clearly ruled a number of times that you can do whatever you want to equipment you legally own .
Courts have even ruled that you can reverse-engineer software.TI might not like it , but tough cookies .
It 's not their device once you 've purchased it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not flame, just point out that you're wrong according to established law.
Courts have clearly ruled a number of times that you can do whatever you want to equipment you legally own.
Courts have even ruled that you can reverse-engineer software.TI might not like it, but tough cookies.
It's not their device once you've purchased it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29745979</id>
	<title>What Has TI to Loose?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1255540140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My curiosity lies in the area Assistive Robotics, and TI's graphing calculator looked pretty good at handling external peripherals using LISP.  There are other chips out there that can do the job.  I quite frankly do not understand why TI gets their panties in a twist when people want to buy their products?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My curiosity lies in the area Assistive Robotics , and TI 's graphing calculator looked pretty good at handling external peripherals using LISP .
There are other chips out there that can do the job .
I quite frankly do not understand why TI gets their panties in a twist when people want to buy their products ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My curiosity lies in the area Assistive Robotics, and TI's graphing calculator looked pretty good at handling external peripherals using LISP.
There are other chips out there that can do the job.
I quite frankly do not understand why TI gets their panties in a twist when people want to buy their products?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740289</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well in that case, 0 should be an illegal number.<br>
Arbitrary "copyrightable" number * 0 = 0.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well in that case , 0 should be an illegal number .
Arbitrary " copyrightable " number * 0 = 0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well in that case, 0 should be an illegal number.
Arbitrary "copyrightable" number * 0 = 0.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740083</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255445340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If numbers are not copyrightable then pretty much nothing is copyrightable.</p><p>For instance: That<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.avi file isn't a copy of a movie.  It's a very large binary number!</p><p>All this talk of it being absurd to copyright a number is really just saying that copyright itself is absurd -- because everything can be encoded as a number.  Now, you may be correct in your assessment -- that copyright is absurd -- but my guess is it would be harder to convince the general public or lawmakers of that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If numbers are not copyrightable then pretty much nothing is copyrightable.For instance : That .avi file is n't a copy of a movie .
It 's a very large binary number ! All this talk of it being absurd to copyright a number is really just saying that copyright itself is absurd -- because everything can be encoded as a number .
Now , you may be correct in your assessment -- that copyright is absurd -- but my guess is it would be harder to convince the general public or lawmakers of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If numbers are not copyrightable then pretty much nothing is copyrightable.For instance: That .avi file isn't a copy of a movie.
It's a very large binary number!All this talk of it being absurd to copyright a number is really just saying that copyright itself is absurd -- because everything can be encoded as a number.
Now, you may be correct in your assessment -- that copyright is absurd -- but my guess is it would be harder to convince the general public or lawmakers of that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740643</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>TravisHein</author>
	<datestamp>1255450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems to be the trend for companies to throw the DMCA at anything any time something comes up that outside their original marketing vision or makes them look bad. There should be a top level category to track all these stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to be the trend for companies to throw the DMCA at anything any time something comes up that outside their original marketing vision or makes them look bad .
There should be a top level category to track all these stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to be the trend for companies to throw the DMCA at anything any time something comes up that outside their original marketing vision or makes them look bad.
There should be a top level category to track all these stories.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739541</id>
	<title>Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>kmac06</author>
	<datestamp>1255441080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here. This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA. The law itself is completely unacceptable, but don't blame the company for a bad law, blame the legislators.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here .
This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA .
The law itself is completely unacceptable , but do n't blame the company for a bad law , blame the legislators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here.
This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA.
The law itself is completely unacceptable, but don't blame the company for a bad law, blame the legislators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740009</id>
	<title>Wait for the next version...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255444620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The DMCA is a bad law, but it's not so broad as to say "everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $10 million objects is henceforth illegal."</p><p>Don't worry.  They plan to fix that whenever they get the chance...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The DMCA is a bad law , but it 's not so broad as to say " everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $ 10 million objects is henceforth illegal .
" Do n't worry .
They plan to fix that whenever they get the chance.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The DMCA is a bad law, but it's not so broad as to say "everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $10 million objects is henceforth illegal.
"Don't worry.
They plan to fix that whenever they get the chance...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739751</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Cyberia</author>
	<datestamp>1255442580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm... My opinion is that the hobbyists are just trying to fix some bugs in calculators that the *IAA has been running into.  Like for example, when they calculate damages.  I think the results look similar to this:  3055 songs pirated * 0.99 per song = $309,234,408,345,345,384.94 in damages...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm... My opinion is that the hobbyists are just trying to fix some bugs in calculators that the * IAA has been running into .
Like for example , when they calculate damages .
I think the results look similar to this : 3055 songs pirated * 0.99 per song = $ 309,234,408,345,345,384.94 in damages.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm... My opinion is that the hobbyists are just trying to fix some bugs in calculators that the *IAA has been running into.
Like for example, when they calculate damages.
I think the results look similar to this:  3055 songs pirated * 0.99 per song = $309,234,408,345,345,384.94 in damages...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29745991</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1255540200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities. They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.</i><br>And here the students did the exact opposite: solved the calculator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities .
They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.And here the students did the exact opposite : solved the calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities.
They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.And here the students did the exact opposite: solved the calculator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739659</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>whatthefuck?</p><p>If I buy a TI or anything else, how is that STEALING from the people that made it. they asked for a fair price, I paid. what difference does it make to them what I use it for once they have their money.</p><p>does that mean I can't install linux on my computer without being called a cyberterrorist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>whatthefuck ? If I buy a TI or anything else , how is that STEALING from the people that made it .
they asked for a fair price , I paid .
what difference does it make to them what I use it for once they have their money.does that mean I ca n't install linux on my computer without being called a cyberterrorist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whatthefuck?If I buy a TI or anything else, how is that STEALING from the people that made it.
they asked for a fair price, I paid.
what difference does it make to them what I use it for once they have their money.does that mean I can't install linux on my computer without being called a cyberterrorist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740527</id>
	<title>Wow, heres the good stuff (keys)</title>
	<author>ealbers</author>
	<datestamp>1255449240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TI-83 (Plus):

n=82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0
AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE
83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3
47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F
p=B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD
q=B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB
d=4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7
EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927
6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1
e=11</htmltext>
<tokenext>TI-83 ( Plus ) : n = 82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0 AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE 83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3 47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7 EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 e = 11</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI-83 (Plus):

n=82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0
AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE
83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3
47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F
p=B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD
q=B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB
d=4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7
EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927
6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1
e=11</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740671</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>SuseLover</author>
	<datestamp>1255450380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No. The DMCA reads "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that <b>effectively controls access to a work</b> protected under this title".</p><p>How does TI's signing system do that?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></div><p>It effectively protects access to TI's protected circuitry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
The DMCA reads " No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title " .How does TI 's signing system do that ?
....It effectively protects access to TI 's protected circuitry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
The DMCA reads "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title".How does TI's signing system do that?
....It effectively protects access to TI's protected circuitry.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739671</id>
	<title>Re:I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1255442100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an automotive screwdriver that was sold as an automotive screwdriver, not a...a... window...keeper-open...thing.</p><p>If Sears/Craftsman has a problem with that, tough. Same concept.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an automotive screwdriver that was sold as an automotive screwdriver , not a...a... window...keeper-open...thing.If Sears/Craftsman has a problem with that , tough .
Same concept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an automotive screwdriver that was sold as an automotive screwdriver, not a...a... window...keeper-open...thing.If Sears/Craftsman has a problem with that, tough.
Same concept.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740125</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255445760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Actually, that's not really true. Yes, they are cut from the same die. However, it's very well documented that there are different levels of quality within a batch of CPUs. Lower quality CPUs will die sooner if run at full speed. By selling the low-quality chips from the run downclocked, they produce equally reliable but lower-grade chips.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical , one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier .
Actually , that 's not really true .
Yes , they are cut from the same die .
However , it 's very well documented that there are different levels of quality within a batch of CPUs .
Lower quality CPUs will die sooner if run at full speed .
By selling the low-quality chips from the run downclocked , they produce equally reliable but lower-grade chips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.
Actually, that's not really true.
Yes, they are cut from the same die.
However, it's very well documented that there are different levels of quality within a batch of CPUs.
Lower quality CPUs will die sooner if run at full speed.
By selling the low-quality chips from the run downclocked, they produce equally reliable but lower-grade chips.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739449</id>
	<title>Word to my homies in #TCPA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're all fucking fat.</p><p>Love,</p><p>Netham45</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're all fucking fat.Love,Netham45</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're all fucking fat.Love,Netham45</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739995</id>
	<title>Why does HP care?</title>
	<author>CFD339</author>
	<datestamp>1255444500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone enlighten me here.  I'm trying to figure out the business reason why HP would care about this, and would not want people to buy more of it's calculators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone enlighten me here .
I 'm trying to figure out the business reason why HP would care about this , and would not want people to buy more of it 's calculators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone enlighten me here.
I'm trying to figure out the business reason why HP would care about this, and would not want people to buy more of it's calculators.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740215</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1255446480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</p></div><p>Well cry me a river, why is that the problem of hardware hackers who have already PAID for their devices? If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else's business model then we would be living in a police state already. If the test makers don't want "powerful calculators" used on their exams then why not simply ban all calculators? If they are interested in testing mathematical knowledge rather than rote arithmetic or button pressing ability then why not simply design the test along those lines in the first place and enforce the suggested ban against electronic assistance? Technology is a moving target which will change over time; attempting to fix it in place by law, for whatever reason, is both destructive and counter-productive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The custom OS 's could greatly hurt TI 's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters : the test makers.Well cry me a river , why is that the problem of hardware hackers who have already PAID for their devices ?
If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else 's business model then we would be living in a police state already .
If the test makers do n't want " powerful calculators " used on their exams then why not simply ban all calculators ?
If they are interested in testing mathematical knowledge rather than rote arithmetic or button pressing ability then why not simply design the test along those lines in the first place and enforce the suggested ban against electronic assistance ?
Technology is a moving target which will change over time ; attempting to fix it in place by law , for whatever reason , is both destructive and counter-productive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.Well cry me a river, why is that the problem of hardware hackers who have already PAID for their devices?
If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else's business model then we would be living in a police state already.
If the test makers don't want "powerful calculators" used on their exams then why not simply ban all calculators?
If they are interested in testing mathematical knowledge rather than rote arithmetic or button pressing ability then why not simply design the test along those lines in the first place and enforce the suggested ban against electronic assistance?
Technology is a moving target which will change over time; attempting to fix it in place by law, for whatever reason, is both destructive and counter-productive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740589</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255449720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know almost nothing about the satellite TV system, but I'm fairly certain that it is encryption that you're trying to break not a signature.<br>Trying to break the satellite TV system would be attempting to break the encryption to gain access to the content, which seems to me probably would fall under the DMCA.<br>The distinction is that in the case of the TI calculators you are hacking them to add content, where as with satellite TV system you are hacking it to access content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know almost nothing about the satellite TV system , but I 'm fairly certain that it is encryption that you 're trying to break not a signature.Trying to break the satellite TV system would be attempting to break the encryption to gain access to the content , which seems to me probably would fall under the DMCA.The distinction is that in the case of the TI calculators you are hacking them to add content , where as with satellite TV system you are hacking it to access content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know almost nothing about the satellite TV system, but I'm fairly certain that it is encryption that you're trying to break not a signature.Trying to break the satellite TV system would be attempting to break the encryption to gain access to the content, which seems to me probably would fall under the DMCA.The distinction is that in the case of the TI calculators you are hacking them to add content, where as with satellite TV system you are hacking it to access content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740517</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1255449180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed. On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test. They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker</i></p><p>How about changing the test, or finding some other way to verify the calculators, instead of trying to prevent people from doing interesting things with equipment they own?</p><p><i>That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students. The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</i></p><p>Henceforth known as the lazy luddites. Seriously, get with the program. If your test strategy and regime were created in 1965, it's time to update it. This is no excuse to stiffle innovation.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS , the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS 's existed .
On many standardized tests , including the SATs and ACTs , the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test .
They have a very specific list , based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test takerHow about changing the test , or finding some other way to verify the calculators , instead of trying to prevent people from doing interesting things with equipment they own ? That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students .
The custom OS 's could greatly hurt TI 's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters : the test makers.Henceforth known as the lazy luddites .
Seriously , get with the program .
If your test strategy and regime were created in 1965 , it 's time to update it .
This is no excuse to stiffle innovation .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed.
On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.
They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test takerHow about changing the test, or finding some other way to verify the calculators, instead of trying to prevent people from doing interesting things with equipment they own?That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students.
The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.Henceforth known as the lazy luddites.
Seriously, get with the program.
If your test strategy and regime were created in 1965, it's time to update it.
This is no excuse to stiffle innovation.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740297</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Liberty is a very slippery slope. This is why the enemies of liberty try to avoid any compromise with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Liberty is a very slippery slope .
This is why the enemies of liberty try to avoid any compromise with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Liberty is a very slippery slope.
This is why the enemies of liberty try to avoid any compromise with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29747555</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>jabelli</author>
	<datestamp>1255547220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Next up: Ford suing Mustang owners who get speeding tickets, for "ruining the brand image."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next up : Ford suing Mustang owners who get speeding tickets , for " ruining the brand image .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next up: Ford suing Mustang owners who get speeding tickets, for "ruining the brand image.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740615</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1255449900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices? iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?! EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?</p></div><p>They issued a press release about the calculators.<br>They have done way more than that for the iphone and ipod - <a href="http://www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/7/23" title="eff.org">http://www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/7/23</a> [eff.org]<br>They supported the "Hacking the Xbox" book by using it as a prize for people who donated to the EFF.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices ?
iPhone , XBOX , Wii , NDS , plus loads others ? !
EFF , why are n't you defending user 's rights there ? They issued a press release about the calculators.They have done way more than that for the iphone and ipod - http : //www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/7/23 [ eff.org ] They supported the " Hacking the Xbox " book by using it as a prize for people who donated to the EFF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices?
iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?!
EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?They issued a press release about the calculators.They have done way more than that for the iphone and ipod - http://www.eff.org/press/mentions/2009/7/23 [eff.org]They supported the "Hacking the Xbox" book by using it as a prize for people who donated to the EFF.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740415</id>
	<title>OH, don't forget this one</title>
	<author>ealbers</author>
	<datestamp>1255448160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TI - 89:
prp76 factor: 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</htmltext>
<tokenext>TI - 89 : prp76 factor : 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI - 89:
prp76 factor: 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739747</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1255442520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Communist</i> cyber-terrorists. Who besides <i>elite Chinese cyber-commandos</i> would want to destroy American jobs by giving things away for free?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Communist cyber-terrorists .
Who besides elite Chinese cyber-commandos would want to destroy American jobs by giving things away for free ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Communist cyber-terrorists.
Who besides elite Chinese cyber-commandos would want to destroy American jobs by giving things away for free?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740091</id>
	<title>Then how do you change the law?</title>
	<author>rwade</author>
	<datestamp>1255445400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lawsuits are a convenient way of getting the law changed or at least ruining it for those that abuse it. If one can prove the point that the law is unacceptable by demonstrating it using this case, then the law is unenforceable from that point forward.</p><p>What would you have people do? Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals? How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lawsuits are a convenient way of getting the law changed or at least ruining it for those that abuse it .
If one can prove the point that the law is unacceptable by demonstrating it using this case , then the law is unenforceable from that point forward.What would you have people do ?
Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals ?
How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lawsuits are a convenient way of getting the law changed or at least ruining it for those that abuse it.
If one can prove the point that the law is unacceptable by demonstrating it using this case, then the law is unenforceable from that point forward.What would you have people do?
Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals?
How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740769</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Dwedit</author>
	<datestamp>1255451100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even without hacking the OS, the calculator will run any Z80 assembly language program you can put on the thing.  So there goes your uniformity argument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even without hacking the OS , the calculator will run any Z80 assembly language program you can put on the thing .
So there goes your uniformity argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even without hacking the OS, the calculator will run any Z80 assembly language program you can put on the thing.
So there goes your uniformity argument.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739629</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>JohnFen</author>
	<datestamp>1255441800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which one of those companies is suing people who hack the hardware?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which one of those companies is suing people who hack the hardware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which one of those companies is suing people who hack the hardware?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739573</id>
	<title>because TI makes a shitload off of exams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many people have to buy the overpriced calculators because they are required for an exam.... by required I mean "approved" for use on an exam. Think about it, a calculator costing $100 dollars? What year is it again? If you could program them yourselves suddenly all those "approved" calculators aren't so trustworthy not to solve the exam for students.... although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam isn't testing much...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many people have to buy the overpriced calculators because they are required for an exam.... by required I mean " approved " for use on an exam .
Think about it , a calculator costing $ 100 dollars ?
What year is it again ?
If you could program them yourselves suddenly all those " approved " calculators are n't so trustworthy not to solve the exam for students.... although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam is n't testing much.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many people have to buy the overpriced calculators because they are required for an exam.... by required I mean "approved" for use on an exam.
Think about it, a calculator costing $100 dollars?
What year is it again?
If you could program them yourselves suddenly all those "approved" calculators aren't so trustworthy not to solve the exam for students.... although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam isn't testing much...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739605</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Quasar1999</author>
	<datestamp>1255441680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features. nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.

<br> <br>

TI probably has some features disabled or unavailable in their lower-end models, hack the software, and lo and behold, the actual hardware can probably do most of the same stuff the more expensive model can. I can see why they wouldn't want people *SHARING* this information with the general public.

<br> <br> Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right? I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right? Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features .
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical , one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier .
TI probably has some features disabled or unavailable in their lower-end models , hack the software , and lo and behold , the actual hardware can probably do most of the same stuff the more expensive model can .
I can see why they would n't want people * SHARING * this information with the general public .
Actually , come to think of it , if TI loses on this one , I 'm quite eager to start 'testing ' satellite TV signals again... After all , it 's just some keys used for signing , right ?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money , right ?
Quite the slippery slope , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features.
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.
TI probably has some features disabled or unavailable in their lower-end models, hack the software, and lo and behold, the actual hardware can probably do most of the same stuff the more expensive model can.
I can see why they wouldn't want people *SHARING* this information with the general public.
Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right?
Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29754493</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255599180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess such modification can't be done in less than 60 second, without opening case, without obviously touching to it frequently. so why can't such serious testmakers prepare bunch of rental approved unmodified calculators for tests? put a ID label or bright red paint on it, keep them in a secure large box, pass them over hand to hand, collect all of them back with students' writings, repeat it in every exam. If that costs teachers too much, why can't TI just let people do what they want in a sandbox? give devs a open "user-modified code" certificate, which calc's accept and run, but show something like "NON-APPROVED ROM" on hardware-reset process that can't be faked.</p><p>Oh, and what you've said is based on knowledge that every single unit of approved calculators have same or quite similar limited processing ablility, which is not true. Pick up a Hewlett-Packerd hp 12c Platinum. You see "exam-approved" logos on package, but at very same time it says it's "many times faster than previous model", and "support new features". there're at least 3 different models in what commonly recognized as hp 12c; the original, hp 12c Platinum(w/6502), hp 12c Platinum(w/ARM7), all greatly varies in processing speed, all advertised to have been approved for exams. ARM7 variant, the most recent one, is said to have JTAG port on board, which may be used to reprogram the calculator CPU, with no phisical modification.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess such modification ca n't be done in less than 60 second , without opening case , without obviously touching to it frequently .
so why ca n't such serious testmakers prepare bunch of rental approved unmodified calculators for tests ?
put a ID label or bright red paint on it , keep them in a secure large box , pass them over hand to hand , collect all of them back with students ' writings , repeat it in every exam .
If that costs teachers too much , why ca n't TI just let people do what they want in a sandbox ?
give devs a open " user-modified code " certificate , which calc 's accept and run , but show something like " NON-APPROVED ROM " on hardware-reset process that ca n't be faked.Oh , and what you 've said is based on knowledge that every single unit of approved calculators have same or quite similar limited processing ablility , which is not true .
Pick up a Hewlett-Packerd hp 12c Platinum .
You see " exam-approved " logos on package , but at very same time it says it 's " many times faster than previous model " , and " support new features " .
there 're at least 3 different models in what commonly recognized as hp 12c ; the original , hp 12c Platinum ( w/6502 ) , hp 12c Platinum ( w/ARM7 ) , all greatly varies in processing speed , all advertised to have been approved for exams .
ARM7 variant , the most recent one , is said to have JTAG port on board , which may be used to reprogram the calculator CPU , with no phisical modification .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess such modification can't be done in less than 60 second, without opening case, without obviously touching to it frequently.
so why can't such serious testmakers prepare bunch of rental approved unmodified calculators for tests?
put a ID label or bright red paint on it, keep them in a secure large box, pass them over hand to hand, collect all of them back with students' writings, repeat it in every exam.
If that costs teachers too much, why can't TI just let people do what they want in a sandbox?
give devs a open "user-modified code" certificate, which calc's accept and run, but show something like "NON-APPROVED ROM" on hardware-reset process that can't be faked.Oh, and what you've said is based on knowledge that every single unit of approved calculators have same or quite similar limited processing ablility, which is not true.
Pick up a Hewlett-Packerd hp 12c Platinum.
You see "exam-approved" logos on package, but at very same time it says it's "many times faster than previous model", and "support new features".
there're at least 3 different models in what commonly recognized as hp 12c; the original, hp 12c Platinum(w/6502), hp 12c Platinum(w/ARM7), all greatly varies in processing speed, all advertised to have been approved for exams.
ARM7 variant, the most recent one, is said to have JTAG port on board, which may be used to reprogram the calculator CPU, with no phisical modification.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739831</id>
	<title>As Illegal Prime numbers...</title>
	<author>Cliff Stoll</author>
	<datestamp>1255443180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A prime number can represent information which is forbidden to possess.<br>See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal\_prime" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal\_prime</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>This goes back about a decade to the AACS encryption key controversy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A prime number can represent information which is forbidden to possess.See http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal \ _prime [ wikipedia.org ] This goes back about a decade to the AACS encryption key controversy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A prime number can represent information which is forbidden to possess.See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal\_prime [wikipedia.org]This goes back about a decade to the AACS encryption key controversy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740321</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Samah</author>
	<datestamp>1255447500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.</p></div><p>It's been a while since I actually had to do any form of written exam, but for the ones I have done, it was always a requirement that you show HOW you solved the problem rather than just the answer. Unless exams have been nerfed significantly since I last sat one, I can't see you just handing in the answer and getting full (or any) marks for it.</p><p>
I know what you're getting at though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.It 's been a while since I actually had to do any form of written exam , but for the ones I have done , it was always a requirement that you show HOW you solved the problem rather than just the answer .
Unless exams have been nerfed significantly since I last sat one , I ca n't see you just handing in the answer and getting full ( or any ) marks for it .
I know what you 're getting at though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.It's been a while since I actually had to do any form of written exam, but for the ones I have done, it was always a requirement that you show HOW you solved the problem rather than just the answer.
Unless exams have been nerfed significantly since I last sat one, I can't see you just handing in the answer and getting full (or any) marks for it.
I know what you're getting at though.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746117</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1255540740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this business space is important to them then T.I. should create a special series of calculators that are directed at this very market.</p><p>My first thought would be a calculator that is very easy to reflash. So easy in fact that it's automatic. When you walk in to take your test you're forced to plug your calculator into the exam givers flashing unit which positively wipes your device and installs the test takers approved software load. After the exam you are free to reflash it with whatever it is you want.</p><p>This would be an acceptable method of resolving the problem. Threatening lawsuits against your users is not. Restricting the rights of people who have paid for your hardware is not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this business space is important to them then T.I .
should create a special series of calculators that are directed at this very market.My first thought would be a calculator that is very easy to reflash .
So easy in fact that it 's automatic .
When you walk in to take your test you 're forced to plug your calculator into the exam givers flashing unit which positively wipes your device and installs the test takers approved software load .
After the exam you are free to reflash it with whatever it is you want.This would be an acceptable method of resolving the problem .
Threatening lawsuits against your users is not .
Restricting the rights of people who have paid for your hardware is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this business space is important to them then T.I.
should create a special series of calculators that are directed at this very market.My first thought would be a calculator that is very easy to reflash.
So easy in fact that it's automatic.
When you walk in to take your test you're forced to plug your calculator into the exam givers flashing unit which positively wipes your device and installs the test takers approved software load.
After the exam you are free to reflash it with whatever it is you want.This would be an acceptable method of resolving the problem.
Threatening lawsuits against your users is not.
Restricting the rights of people who have paid for your hardware is not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739859</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1255443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here. This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA. The law itself is completely unacceptable, but don't blame the company for a bad law, blame the legislators.</p></div><p>Even if you were correct (and, well, you're not) one can still question the ethics of a company for permitting its attorneys to intimidate others using said bad law. You seem to think that just because a law is on the books that that any use (or misuse) of that law is acceptable. It isn't, and TI's upper management should know that. And if it so happens that they're arrogant and stupid, their legal staff should have so informed them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here .
This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA .
The law itself is completely unacceptable , but do n't blame the company for a bad law , blame the legislators.Even if you were correct ( and , well , you 're not ) one can still question the ethics of a company for permitting its attorneys to intimidate others using said bad law .
You seem to think that just because a law is on the books that that any use ( or misuse ) of that law is acceptable .
It is n't , and TI 's upper management should know that .
And if it so happens that they 're arrogant and stupid , their legal staff should have so informed them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI seems to have a perfectly valid case here.
This seems like a clear breach of the DMCA.
The law itself is completely unacceptable, but don't blame the company for a bad law, blame the legislators.Even if you were correct (and, well, you're not) one can still question the ethics of a company for permitting its attorneys to intimidate others using said bad law.
You seem to think that just because a law is on the books that that any use (or misuse) of that law is acceptable.
It isn't, and TI's upper management should know that.
And if it so happens that they're arrogant and stupid, their legal staff should have so informed them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739845</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255443240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They only defend their gaming console of choice. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They only defend their gaming console of choice .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only defend their gaming console of choice.
^^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739457</id>
	<title>Jailbreaking iPhones?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>someone show apple this news.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>someone show apple this news .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>someone show apple this news.
:/</sentencetext>
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	<title>USE CASIO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255534380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why TI? Has anyone ever used a Casio? Why use key combinations when you have menus!<br>Why use an inferior machine when you have better for the same price?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why TI ?
Has anyone ever used a Casio ?
Why use key combinations when you have menus ! Why use an inferior machine when you have better for the same price ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why TI?
Has anyone ever used a Casio?
Why use key combinations when you have menus!Why use an inferior machine when you have better for the same price?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1255538820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Well... The fact that there is a key in the first place shows they never wanted people changing the software on the calculators.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... The fact that there is a key in the first place shows they never wanted people changing the software on the calculators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... The fact that there is a key in the first place shows they never wanted people changing the software on the calculators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739947</id>
	<title>I noted this recently in another thread.</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1255444020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The "legal list of allowable calculators" is precisely why the scientific calculator development is pretty much stagnant.  I have an HP50G but it is basically a repackaged HP48 with a marginally better screen.  But even the 48G was not allowed in the last math class I took that allowed calculators.</p><p>I started using an HP28S in college back in 1988.  Back then, many teachers did not know what the calculators were capable of.  Of course, I had one professor who did, and in fact LOVED them, and so made the tests that much harder to be used in conjunction with said devices.</p><p>Anyway my point is the calculator manufacturers are definitely in a pickle.  They can't make their calculators too good, or their primary market - college students - can't use them.</p><p>If people can hack the OS of "approved" calculators, you can, as you note, basically sneak in anything in what appears to be a normal calculator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " legal list of allowable calculators " is precisely why the scientific calculator development is pretty much stagnant .
I have an HP50G but it is basically a repackaged HP48 with a marginally better screen .
But even the 48G was not allowed in the last math class I took that allowed calculators.I started using an HP28S in college back in 1988 .
Back then , many teachers did not know what the calculators were capable of .
Of course , I had one professor who did , and in fact LOVED them , and so made the tests that much harder to be used in conjunction with said devices.Anyway my point is the calculator manufacturers are definitely in a pickle .
They ca n't make their calculators too good , or their primary market - college students - ca n't use them.If people can hack the OS of " approved " calculators , you can , as you note , basically sneak in anything in what appears to be a normal calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "legal list of allowable calculators" is precisely why the scientific calculator development is pretty much stagnant.
I have an HP50G but it is basically a repackaged HP48 with a marginally better screen.
But even the 48G was not allowed in the last math class I took that allowed calculators.I started using an HP28S in college back in 1988.
Back then, many teachers did not know what the calculators were capable of.
Of course, I had one professor who did, and in fact LOVED them, and so made the tests that much harder to be used in conjunction with said devices.Anyway my point is the calculator manufacturers are definitely in a pickle.
They can't make their calculators too good, or their primary market - college students - can't use them.If people can hack the OS of "approved" calculators, you can, as you note, basically sneak in anything in what appears to be a normal calculator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740483</id>
	<title>"American" innovation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255448760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah.  Because nobody from any other continent tinkers with electronic goods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
Because nobody from any other continent tinkers with electronic goods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
Because nobody from any other continent tinkers with electronic goods.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Cheap Wholasale Style Jordan Shoes, Coach Bag  Onl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255445280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739769</id>
	<title>TI - Oh just Shut Up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to be such a pain - I think you should stop using any and all free software now! give it all back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to be such a pain - I think you should stop using any and all free software now !
give it all back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to be such a pain - I think you should stop using any and all free software now!
give it all back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740423</id>
	<title>And these!</title>
	<author>ealbers</author>
	<datestamp>1255448220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>prp79 factor: 3226885534240147415018248397410101286362761128614350056368675111071170873486957</htmltext>
<tokenext>prp79 factor : 3226885534240147415018248397410101286362761128614350056368675111071170873486957</tokentext>
<sentencetext>prp79 factor: 3226885534240147415018248397410101286362761128614350056368675111071170873486957</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740295</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1255447140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be illegal to distribute anything at all. Any copyrighted text can be represented by a single very large number. It's a near certainty that any large work is the product of an arbitrary smaller work and some other number (that might or might not also be a copyrighted work).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be illegal to distribute anything at all .
Any copyrighted text can be represented by a single very large number .
It 's a near certainty that any large work is the product of an arbitrary smaller work and some other number ( that might or might not also be a copyrighted work ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be illegal to distribute anything at all.
Any copyrighted text can be represented by a single very large number.
It's a near certainty that any large work is the product of an arbitrary smaller work and some other number (that might or might not also be a copyrighted work).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29743283</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>RavenChild</author>
	<datestamp>1255528200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the site:</p><p><i>*AP and SAT are registered trademarks of the College Board. PSAT is a registered trademark of both the College Board and National Merit Scholarship Corporation, which were not involved in the production of and do not endorse this product. SAT Reasoning Test and SAT Subject Tests are owned trademarks of the College Board, which was not involved in the production of and <b>does not endorse this product.</b> </i> </p><p>Bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the site : * AP and SAT are registered trademarks of the College Board .
PSAT is a registered trademark of both the College Board and National Merit Scholarship Corporation , which were not involved in the production of and do not endorse this product .
SAT Reasoning Test and SAT Subject Tests are owned trademarks of the College Board , which was not involved in the production of and does not endorse this product .
Bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the site:*AP and SAT are registered trademarks of the College Board.
PSAT is a registered trademark of both the College Board and National Merit Scholarship Corporation, which were not involved in the production of and do not endorse this product.
SAT Reasoning Test and SAT Subject Tests are owned trademarks of the College Board, which was not involved in the production of and does not endorse this product.
Bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740271</id>
	<title>Re:TI-84</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1255446960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm. My college classes didn't bother with this rote memorization stuff. You were allowed to bring an index card with all the formulas you could fit onto it. Believe me, it was no guarantee of a grade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm .
My college classes did n't bother with this rote memorization stuff .
You were allowed to bring an index card with all the formulas you could fit onto it .
Believe me , it was no guarantee of a grade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm.
My college classes didn't bother with this rote memorization stuff.
You were allowed to bring an index card with all the formulas you could fit onto it.
Believe me, it was no guarantee of a grade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740743</id>
	<title>Re:As Illegal Prime numbers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255450920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Incidentally, any information, including that which is forbidden to possess, can be represented by a natural number:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G\%C3\%B6del\_numbering" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G\%C3\%B6del\_numbering</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incidentally , any information , including that which is forbidden to possess , can be represented by a natural number : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G \ % C3 \ % B6del \ _numbering [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incidentally, any information, including that which is forbidden to possess, can be represented by a natural number:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G\%C3\%B6del\_numbering [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740249</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1255446840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.</p><p>Not a chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.Not a chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.Not a chance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29754441</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1255598580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator. "</p><p>Then how about going back to slide rules and wrote calculations. Thereby doing away with the problem and guaranteeing more intelligent students that will actually know what they are talking about because they will have to work out the whole problem. Nevermind be better at it through constant practice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator .
" Then how about going back to slide rules and wrote calculations .
Thereby doing away with the problem and guaranteeing more intelligent students that will actually know what they are talking about because they will have to work out the whole problem .
Nevermind be better at it through constant practice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.
"Then how about going back to slide rules and wrote calculations.
Thereby doing away with the problem and guaranteeing more intelligent students that will actually know what they are talking about because they will have to work out the whole problem.
Nevermind be better at it through constant practice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739899</id>
	<title>5138008</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"All I wanted to do was program in pictures of boobies rather than type 5138008..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All I wanted to do was program in pictures of boobies rather than type 5138008... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"All I wanted to do was program in pictures of boobies rather than type 5138008..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740553</id>
	<title>Don't forget the Ti-89 keys</title>
	<author>ealbers</author>
	<datestamp>1255449420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TI-89:

prp76 factor: 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</htmltext>
<tokenext>TI-89 : prp76 factor : 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI-89:

prp76 factor: 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740711</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1255450740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TI had the chance to avoid that by allowing unsigned software to load but giving a visible warning that it was doing so.. Then students could show that they were running the standard vendor firmware and all would be right with the world. Had they done that, the homebrew hackers would have no motivation to derive the key, that would have been a lot of work for little payoff.</p><p>But they insisted on clutching the thing as tightly as they could, so the key was derived. They have very little chance of stuffing the djinn back in the bottle now.</p><p>Since this isn't about copyright at all, TI and their lawyers should be heavily sanctioned as called for in the DMCA. The DMCA was not ever intended to protect a sales bullet point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TI had the chance to avoid that by allowing unsigned software to load but giving a visible warning that it was doing so.. Then students could show that they were running the standard vendor firmware and all would be right with the world .
Had they done that , the homebrew hackers would have no motivation to derive the key , that would have been a lot of work for little payoff.But they insisted on clutching the thing as tightly as they could , so the key was derived .
They have very little chance of stuffing the djinn back in the bottle now.Since this is n't about copyright at all , TI and their lawyers should be heavily sanctioned as called for in the DMCA .
The DMCA was not ever intended to protect a sales bullet point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI had the chance to avoid that by allowing unsigned software to load but giving a visible warning that it was doing so.. Then students could show that they were running the standard vendor firmware and all would be right with the world.
Had they done that, the homebrew hackers would have no motivation to derive the key, that would have been a lot of work for little payoff.But they insisted on clutching the thing as tightly as they could, so the key was derived.
They have very little chance of stuffing the djinn back in the bottle now.Since this isn't about copyright at all, TI and their lawyers should be heavily sanctioned as called for in the DMCA.
The DMCA was not ever intended to protect a sales bullet point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29742909</id>
	<title>The public key subject of copyright???</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1255524360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright. "</p><p>If it is a *public* key it is meant to be copied.</p><p>In any case a key is just a number, how the heck can you copyright a single number in isolation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright .
" If it is a * public * key it is meant to be copied.In any case a key is just a number , how the heck can you copyright a single number in isolation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.
"If it is a *public* key it is meant to be copied.In any case a key is just a number, how the heck can you copyright a single number in isolation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740543</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255449300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having just completed a bachelors in pure math, I think I can say you don't need a calculator to test math or science knowledge for 99\% of things. The rest is actually about how to get computer to do the work so whats the point of restricting to a shitty calculator like this? My TI-83 had programs (written by me) that could solve every problem I had in high school (except maybe proof based geometry problems and I didn't need it in calculus).</p><p>It's not helping students learn and is unnecessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having just completed a bachelors in pure math , I think I can say you do n't need a calculator to test math or science knowledge for 99 \ % of things .
The rest is actually about how to get computer to do the work so whats the point of restricting to a shitty calculator like this ?
My TI-83 had programs ( written by me ) that could solve every problem I had in high school ( except maybe proof based geometry problems and I did n't need it in calculus ) .It 's not helping students learn and is unnecessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having just completed a bachelors in pure math, I think I can say you don't need a calculator to test math or science knowledge for 99\% of things.
The rest is actually about how to get computer to do the work so whats the point of restricting to a shitty calculator like this?
My TI-83 had programs (written by me) that could solve every problem I had in high school (except maybe proof based geometry problems and I didn't need it in calculus).It's not helping students learn and is unnecessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739717</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1255442340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a bad question, despite the flaming and/or dismissive replies.</p><p>My guess is that they feel like they have a better chance of winning if TI calls their bluff about calculators than if Nintendo did about Wiis, since the "it's only for teh P1Rasee!" argument is pretty much inapplicable.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a bad question , despite the flaming and/or dismissive replies.My guess is that they feel like they have a better chance of winning if TI calls their bluff about calculators than if Nintendo did about Wiis , since the " it 's only for teh P1Rasee !
" argument is pretty much inapplicable .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a bad question, despite the flaming and/or dismissive replies.My guess is that they feel like they have a better chance of winning if TI calls their bluff about calculators than if Nintendo did about Wiis, since the "it's only for teh P1Rasee!
" argument is pretty much inapplicable.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29742105</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Aim Here</author>
	<datestamp>1255512600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the EFF acts primarily through legal activity in the US, and in the TI case, it's threatening to defend hobbyists against a tsunami of bogus DMCA takedowns.</p><p>Whereas the other instances you cite are using technological methods to prevent modders. Nintendo did take down a homebrew device in Japan, but not in the US. Apple just kicks out anyone it doesn't like from the App store. Obnoxious DRM isn't actually illegal, unfortunately, so the EFF doesn't really have the tools to fight it. When the device makers start firing off lawsuits and/or wrongheaded DMCA takedowns, then the EFF might be able to take an interest.</p><p>If you need lawyers to fight lawsuits relating to Your Rights Online, then you might call in the EFF. If you just need technical workarounds for all the DRM in your devices, then it's a job for DVD Jon...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the EFF acts primarily through legal activity in the US , and in the TI case , it 's threatening to defend hobbyists against a tsunami of bogus DMCA takedowns.Whereas the other instances you cite are using technological methods to prevent modders .
Nintendo did take down a homebrew device in Japan , but not in the US .
Apple just kicks out anyone it does n't like from the App store .
Obnoxious DRM is n't actually illegal , unfortunately , so the EFF does n't really have the tools to fight it .
When the device makers start firing off lawsuits and/or wrongheaded DMCA takedowns , then the EFF might be able to take an interest.If you need lawyers to fight lawsuits relating to Your Rights Online , then you might call in the EFF .
If you just need technical workarounds for all the DRM in your devices , then it 's a job for DVD Jon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the EFF acts primarily through legal activity in the US, and in the TI case, it's threatening to defend hobbyists against a tsunami of bogus DMCA takedowns.Whereas the other instances you cite are using technological methods to prevent modders.
Nintendo did take down a homebrew device in Japan, but not in the US.
Apple just kicks out anyone it doesn't like from the App store.
Obnoxious DRM isn't actually illegal, unfortunately, so the EFF doesn't really have the tools to fight it.
When the device makers start firing off lawsuits and/or wrongheaded DMCA takedowns, then the EFF might be able to take an interest.If you need lawyers to fight lawsuits relating to Your Rights Online, then you might call in the EFF.
If you just need technical workarounds for all the DRM in your devices, then it's a job for DVD Jon...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739551</id>
	<title>TI-84</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1255441200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh man, the TI-84's are great.</p><p>Thought not considered hacking, me and my mates have found the best use for these small powerhouses.  Since both Honors Chemistry and Honors Trig require extensive memorization of theorems and things a like, we load them all onto the calculators and then on the exams it looks like we're solving equations, as opposed to cheating<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Some would argue this should be posted as AC, but posting as AC is for pussies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh man , the TI-84 's are great.Thought not considered hacking , me and my mates have found the best use for these small powerhouses .
Since both Honors Chemistry and Honors Trig require extensive memorization of theorems and things a like , we load them all onto the calculators and then on the exams it looks like we 're solving equations , as opposed to cheating : ) Some would argue this should be posted as AC , but posting as AC is for pussies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh man, the TI-84's are great.Thought not considered hacking, me and my mates have found the best use for these small powerhouses.
Since both Honors Chemistry and Honors Trig require extensive memorization of theorems and things a like, we load them all onto the calculators and then on the exams it looks like we're solving equations, as opposed to cheating :)Some would argue this should be posted as AC, but posting as AC is for pussies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746387</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255541940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Modded you hilarious!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Modded you hilarious !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modded you hilarious!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740357</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TI can EABOD. You shouldn't be able to use any program-able calculator on the ACT or SAT. There is a reason that the FE (fundamentals of engineering) exams allow only specific calculators. The TI-8x and 9X series are really shitty netbooks.</p><p>FE Exam calcs.</p><p>Casio:      All fx-115 models. Any Casio calculator must contain fx-115 in its model name.<br>Hewlett Packard:     The HP 33s and HP 35s models, but no others.<br>Texas Instruments:     All TI-30X and TI-36X models. Any Texas Instruments calculator must contain either TI-30X or TI-36X in its model name.</p><p>None of these is programmable and they cost around $15. Buy the Casio, it's teh best of the lot esp. if you do a lot of imaginary math (e.g. Electrical Engineering)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TI can EABOD .
You should n't be able to use any program-able calculator on the ACT or SAT .
There is a reason that the FE ( fundamentals of engineering ) exams allow only specific calculators .
The TI-8x and 9X series are really shitty netbooks.FE Exam calcs.Casio : All fx-115 models .
Any Casio calculator must contain fx-115 in its model name.Hewlett Packard : The HP 33s and HP 35s models , but no others.Texas Instruments : All TI-30X and TI-36X models .
Any Texas Instruments calculator must contain either TI-30X or TI-36X in its model name.None of these is programmable and they cost around $ 15 .
Buy the Casio , it 's teh best of the lot esp .
if you do a lot of imaginary math ( e.g .
Electrical Engineering )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TI can EABOD.
You shouldn't be able to use any program-able calculator on the ACT or SAT.
There is a reason that the FE (fundamentals of engineering) exams allow only specific calculators.
The TI-8x and 9X series are really shitty netbooks.FE Exam calcs.Casio:      All fx-115 models.
Any Casio calculator must contain fx-115 in its model name.Hewlett Packard:     The HP 33s and HP 35s models, but no others.Texas Instruments:     All TI-30X and TI-36X models.
Any Texas Instruments calculator must contain either TI-30X or TI-36X in its model name.None of these is programmable and they cost around $15.
Buy the Casio, it's teh best of the lot esp.
if you do a lot of imaginary math (e.g.
Electrical Engineering)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739455</id>
	<title>Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation"?  I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better , in the best tradition of American innovation " ?
I think you misspelled " Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI 's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hobbyists are taking their own tools and making them better, in the best tradition of American innovation"?
I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740869</id>
	<title>Re:I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>fatalGlory</author>
	<datestamp>1255452240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe even closer to the point, I have a Nintendo Wii Remote, but I don't own a Wii.  Yet I still have <a href="http://www.resplect.com/xwii" title="resplect.com" rel="nofollow">some great uses</a> [resplect.com] for it.  It's also a cheap infra-red camera, which has some interesting applications.  So really, there's a market being tapped that Nintendo might never have intended to tap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe even closer to the point , I have a Nintendo Wii Remote , but I do n't own a Wii .
Yet I still have some great uses [ resplect.com ] for it .
It 's also a cheap infra-red camera , which has some interesting applications .
So really , there 's a market being tapped that Nintendo might never have intended to tap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe even closer to the point, I have a Nintendo Wii Remote, but I don't own a Wii.
Yet I still have some great uses [resplect.com] for it.
It's also a cheap infra-red camera, which has some interesting applications.
So really, there's a market being tapped that Nintendo might never have intended to tap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739655</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>TheRealMindChild</author>
	<datestamp>1255441980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, with the iPhone, hacking the phone means you can pirate software... and the XBox. And the Wii. And the Nintendo DS. What software is for sale that you can install on your TI calculator? None.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , with the iPhone , hacking the phone means you can pirate software... and the XBox .
And the Wii .
And the Nintendo DS .
What software is for sale that you can install on your TI calculator ?
None .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, with the iPhone, hacking the phone means you can pirate software... and the XBox.
And the Wii.
And the Nintendo DS.
What software is for sale that you can install on your TI calculator?
None.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29744847</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1255535580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Fuses' haven't been 'Fuses' in years.  As a general rule they are still referred to as fuses, but its generally just NVRAM or the like representing those 'fuses'.</p><p>Virtually all 'fuses' can be reprogrammed now days with a proper chip programmer.</p><p>Its possible in some cases to design a circuit capable of changing its own fuses although in most cases the device needs to be 'offline' during the procedure so changing fuses on a processor or ram requires that you are using some other device during the reprogramming.</p><p>I don't think anything has had a truely one time programmable fuse for at least 10 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Fuses ' have n't been 'Fuses ' in years .
As a general rule they are still referred to as fuses , but its generally just NVRAM or the like representing those 'fuses'.Virtually all 'fuses ' can be reprogrammed now days with a proper chip programmer.Its possible in some cases to design a circuit capable of changing its own fuses although in most cases the device needs to be 'offline ' during the procedure so changing fuses on a processor or ram requires that you are using some other device during the reprogramming.I do n't think anything has had a truely one time programmable fuse for at least 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Fuses' haven't been 'Fuses' in years.
As a general rule they are still referred to as fuses, but its generally just NVRAM or the like representing those 'fuses'.Virtually all 'fuses' can be reprogrammed now days with a proper chip programmer.Its possible in some cases to design a circuit capable of changing its own fuses although in most cases the device needs to be 'offline' during the procedure so changing fuses on a processor or ram requires that you are using some other device during the reprogramming.I don't think anything has had a truely one time programmable fuse for at least 10 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739721</id>
	<title>How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Myria</author>
	<datestamp>1255442460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The numbers they are distributing are the prime factors of the RSA key used by the calculators.  The factors were determined by a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General\_number\_field\_sieve" title="wikipedia.org">general number field sieve</a> [wikipedia.org] calculation; this was effective because the keys are only 512 bits long.</p><p>The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.  However, the prime factors were never copied from TI - they were mathematically determined from the modulus.  Attacking them because they distribute numbers mathematically derived from a copyrighted number is new legal territory.</p><p>If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves "derivative works" in the copyright sense, it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators.  For one thing, it would be illegal to distribute SHA-1 hashes of copyrighted material without permission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The numbers they are distributing are the prime factors of the RSA key used by the calculators .
The factors were determined by a general number field sieve [ wikipedia.org ] calculation ; this was effective because the keys are only 512 bits long.The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright .
However , the prime factors were never copied from TI - they were mathematically determined from the modulus .
Attacking them because they distribute numbers mathematically derived from a copyrighted number is new legal territory.If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves " derivative works " in the copyright sense , it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators .
For one thing , it would be illegal to distribute SHA-1 hashes of copyrighted material without permission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The numbers they are distributing are the prime factors of the RSA key used by the calculators.
The factors were determined by a general number field sieve [wikipedia.org] calculation; this was effective because the keys are only 512 bits long.The public key itself - the modulus - might be subject to copyright.
However, the prime factors were never copied from TI - they were mathematically determined from the modulus.
Attacking them because they distribute numbers mathematically derived from a copyrighted number is new legal territory.If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves "derivative works" in the copyright sense, it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators.
For one thing, it would be illegal to distribute SHA-1 hashes of copyrighted material without permission.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739621</id>
	<title>Streisand Effect</title>
	<author>cosm</author>
	<datestamp>1255441740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>When will companies realize that kicking and screaming about an issue they can't legitimatize will kick them in the testicles? Will T.I. really lose oodles of greenbacks because Joe geek likes to mod his calculator to play Mario or run Linux or watch porn (last item questionable). I highly doubt people hacking their calculators will cut into revenue, if anything it will increase it by bolstering interest in the extended possibilities of their products.  <br> Technophiles do not like to buy equipment they are legally castrated for modding or learning about the inner-workings. <br> <br> When profit is valued more than satisfaction of customers...oh wait..*status quo* *status quo*. <br> <br>The answer to the original question lies our government and legal system's ability to cease giving them the fucking pacifier every time they cry wolf.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will companies realize that kicking and screaming about an issue they ca n't legitimatize will kick them in the testicles ?
Will T.I .
really lose oodles of greenbacks because Joe geek likes to mod his calculator to play Mario or run Linux or watch porn ( last item questionable ) .
I highly doubt people hacking their calculators will cut into revenue , if anything it will increase it by bolstering interest in the extended possibilities of their products .
Technophiles do not like to buy equipment they are legally castrated for modding or learning about the inner-workings .
When profit is valued more than satisfaction of customers...oh wait.. * status quo * * status quo * .
The answer to the original question lies our government and legal system 's ability to cease giving them the fucking pacifier every time they cry wolf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will companies realize that kicking and screaming about an issue they can't legitimatize will kick them in the testicles?
Will T.I.
really lose oodles of greenbacks because Joe geek likes to mod his calculator to play Mario or run Linux or watch porn (last item questionable).
I highly doubt people hacking their calculators will cut into revenue, if anything it will increase it by bolstering interest in the extended possibilities of their products.
Technophiles do not like to buy equipment they are legally castrated for modding or learning about the inner-workings.
When profit is valued more than satisfaction of customers...oh wait..*status quo* *status quo*.
The answer to the original question lies our government and legal system's ability to cease giving them the fucking pacifier every time they cry wolf.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740707</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255450680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean like:<br><a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/iphone-developers-support-effs-dmca-exemption-jail" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/iphone-developers-support-effs-dmca-exemption-jail</a> [eff.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like : http : //www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/iphone-developers-support-effs-dmca-exemption-jail [ eff.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like:http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/iphone-developers-support-effs-dmca-exemption-jail [eff.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746171</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1255541040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your satellite reference doesn't apply here for many reasons but I'll give you two.</p><p>First because the signals are encrypted and you're breaking that encryption in order to receive them. This is clearly a DMCA violation.</p><p>Second, you're modifying your satellite receiver to receive access to a service for which you are not paying for. This is clearly illegal as a Theft of Service. How is this anything like the calculator issue being discussed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your satellite reference does n't apply here for many reasons but I 'll give you two.First because the signals are encrypted and you 're breaking that encryption in order to receive them .
This is clearly a DMCA violation.Second , you 're modifying your satellite receiver to receive access to a service for which you are not paying for .
This is clearly illegal as a Theft of Service .
How is this anything like the calculator issue being discussed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your satellite reference doesn't apply here for many reasons but I'll give you two.First because the signals are encrypted and you're breaking that encryption in order to receive them.
This is clearly a DMCA violation.Second, you're modifying your satellite receiver to receive access to a service for which you are not paying for.
This is clearly illegal as a Theft of Service.
How is this anything like the calculator issue being discussed?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739935</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well since the TV signals are copyright protected content, hacking the protection for that content would clearly be covered by the DMCA. Woof. That was the sound of your strawman going up in flames.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well since the TV signals are copyright protected content , hacking the protection for that content would clearly be covered by the DMCA .
Woof. That was the sound of your strawman going up in flames .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well since the TV signals are copyright protected content, hacking the protection for that content would clearly be covered by the DMCA.
Woof. That was the sound of your strawman going up in flames.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746255</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1255541280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else's business model then we would be living in a police state already.</i></p><p>If?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else 's business model then we would be living in a police state already.If ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we had a law against every activity which might damage somebody else's business model then we would be living in a police state already.If?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739757</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>SCPRedMage</author>
	<datestamp>1255442640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that, to my understanding, the DMCA applies to copyrighted material and copyright protection systems.  I doubt that TI actually copyrighted the signing key, and even if they did they'd have a hard time proving that this a violation, considering that they (the hobbyists) didn't have an original to copy to begin with.  In other words, can the result of a calculation be considered copyright-able?
<br> <br>
The "copyright protection system"  angle doesn't work, either, on account of this system quite clearly NOT being created to protect copyrighted material.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that , to my understanding , the DMCA applies to copyrighted material and copyright protection systems .
I doubt that TI actually copyrighted the signing key , and even if they did they 'd have a hard time proving that this a violation , considering that they ( the hobbyists ) did n't have an original to copy to begin with .
In other words , can the result of a calculation be considered copyright-able ?
The " copyright protection system " angle does n't work , either , on account of this system quite clearly NOT being created to protect copyrighted material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that, to my understanding, the DMCA applies to copyrighted material and copyright protection systems.
I doubt that TI actually copyrighted the signing key, and even if they did they'd have a hard time proving that this a violation, considering that they (the hobbyists) didn't have an original to copy to begin with.
In other words, can the result of a calculation be considered copyright-able?
The "copyright protection system"  angle doesn't work, either, on account of this system quite clearly NOT being created to protect copyrighted material.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741093</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255454700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...or watch porn</p></div><p>At least on HP calculators, the grayscale image quality is surprisingly good...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...or watch pornAt least on HP calculators , the grayscale image quality is surprisingly good.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...or watch pornAt least on HP calculators, the grayscale image quality is surprisingly good...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29754599</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255600860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All numbers are then going to become illegal because any number can be derived mathematically from a copyrighted number. See this : http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All numbers are then going to become illegal because any number can be derived mathematically from a copyrighted number .
See this : http : //offsystem.sourceforge.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All numbers are then going to become illegal because any number can be derived mathematically from a copyrighted number.
See this : http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746231</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1255541160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So require that the calculator be verified to contain the original OS before allowing it into the test. There are many ways to do this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So require that the calculator be verified to contain the original OS before allowing it into the test .
There are many ways to do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So require that the calculator be verified to contain the original OS before allowing it into the test.
There are many ways to do this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740247</id>
	<title>Re:because TI makes a shitload off of exams</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1255446780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I agree with your point about certifying calculators for tests. However, I feel obliged to stick up for my HP 50g calc, which cost just upwards of $100. 21st Century or not, I think it's an awesome little machine. Yes, you can buy an entire laptop for $300, but it wouldn't be as portable and you'd still need to find software for it to handle symbolic algebra. Programmable calculators are purpose-built devices. True, an iPod Touch could probably handle all the math given the right software package, but IMHO its UI still wouldn't be as friendly as a calculator full of nice, responsive buttons. No matter how many clock cycles your CPU runs at, it's still going to be easier to push one button than to type SQRT(). Plus, RPN is fast as hell once you learn it (and it doesn't take long), and teaching the calculator to perform the rote tricks you run through everyday is a geek joy.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam isn't testing much...</p></div><p>Exactly. When you're confronted with a diagram labeled with a few figures, it doesn't really matter how many formulas your calculator knows -- if you don't know which number plugs in where, you're toast. And that's just basic math; the idea that a programmable calculator will ace a chemistry exam for you is laughable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I agree with your point about certifying calculators for tests .
However , I feel obliged to stick up for my HP 50g calc , which cost just upwards of $ 100 .
21st Century or not , I think it 's an awesome little machine .
Yes , you can buy an entire laptop for $ 300 , but it would n't be as portable and you 'd still need to find software for it to handle symbolic algebra .
Programmable calculators are purpose-built devices .
True , an iPod Touch could probably handle all the math given the right software package , but IMHO its UI still would n't be as friendly as a calculator full of nice , responsive buttons .
No matter how many clock cycles your CPU runs at , it 's still going to be easier to push one button than to type SQRT ( ) .
Plus , RPN is fast as hell once you learn it ( and it does n't take long ) , and teaching the calculator to perform the rote tricks you run through everyday is a geek joy.although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam is n't testing much...Exactly .
When you 're confronted with a diagram labeled with a few figures , it does n't really matter how many formulas your calculator knows -- if you do n't know which number plugs in where , you 're toast .
And that 's just basic math ; the idea that a programmable calculator will ace a chemistry exam for you is laughable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I agree with your point about certifying calculators for tests.
However, I feel obliged to stick up for my HP 50g calc, which cost just upwards of $100.
21st Century or not, I think it's an awesome little machine.
Yes, you can buy an entire laptop for $300, but it wouldn't be as portable and you'd still need to find software for it to handle symbolic algebra.
Programmable calculators are purpose-built devices.
True, an iPod Touch could probably handle all the math given the right software package, but IMHO its UI still wouldn't be as friendly as a calculator full of nice, responsive buttons.
No matter how many clock cycles your CPU runs at, it's still going to be easier to push one button than to type SQRT().
Plus, RPN is fast as hell once you learn it (and it doesn't take long), and teaching the calculator to perform the rote tricks you run through everyday is a geek joy.although honestly if a calculator can solve the exam then probably the exam isn't testing much...Exactly.
When you're confronted with a diagram labeled with a few figures, it doesn't really matter how many formulas your calculator knows -- if you don't know which number plugs in where, you're toast.
And that's just basic math; the idea that a programmable calculator will ace a chemistry exam for you is laughable.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739851</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>arhhook</author>
	<datestamp>1255443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves "derivative works" in the copyright sense, it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators.</p></div><p>09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0</p><p>What?</p><p>09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves " derivative works " in the copyright sense , it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators.09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0What ? 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If numbers derived from a calculation on a copyrightable number are themselves "derivative works" in the copyright sense, it would cause far-reaching problems well beyond calculators.09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0What?09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739897</id>
	<title>You don't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. The argument about the AACS key was not that the number itself was copyrighted, but rather that the number was the means to circumvent the protection measures controlling access to a copyrighted work. Thus, distribution of the number was a violation of the DMCA.</p><p>I'm not aware of anyone claiming that the number itself was copyrighted. Some people have suggested that line of argument in this case, but if TI really wanted to pursue this in court, they'd have to register the signing key with the copyright office (you have to do this prior to starting litigation). I'd really like to see them try to register a small number!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
The argument about the AACS key was not that the number itself was copyrighted , but rather that the number was the means to circumvent the protection measures controlling access to a copyrighted work .
Thus , distribution of the number was a violation of the DMCA.I 'm not aware of anyone claiming that the number itself was copyrighted .
Some people have suggested that line of argument in this case , but if TI really wanted to pursue this in court , they 'd have to register the signing key with the copyright office ( you have to do this prior to starting litigation ) .
I 'd really like to see them try to register a small number !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
The argument about the AACS key was not that the number itself was copyrighted, but rather that the number was the means to circumvent the protection measures controlling access to a copyrighted work.
Thus, distribution of the number was a violation of the DMCA.I'm not aware of anyone claiming that the number itself was copyrighted.
Some people have suggested that line of argument in this case, but if TI really wanted to pursue this in court, they'd have to register the signing key with the copyright office (you have to do this prior to starting litigation).
I'd really like to see them try to register a small number!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740809</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1255451520000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right? I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right? Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?</p></div><p>That is perfectly legal as long as your 'testing' involves transmitting your own signal into the receiver and convincing it that it should display it. Much as the TI hobbiests are loading their own firmware and convincing the hardware to run it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Actually , come to think of it , if TI loses on this one , I 'm quite eager to start 'testing ' satellite TV signals again... After all , it 's just some keys used for signing , right ?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money , right ?
Quite the slippery slope , is n't it ? That is perfectly legal as long as your 'testing ' involves transmitting your own signal into the receiver and convincing it that it should display it .
Much as the TI hobbiests are loading their own firmware and convincing the hardware to run it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right?
Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?That is perfectly legal as long as your 'testing' involves transmitting your own signal into the receiver and convincing it that it should display it.
Much as the TI hobbiests are loading their own firmware and convincing the hardware to run it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740541</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1255449300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really fail to see how their flawed business model (a business model based of the supposed security of a 512-bit RSA key) is any of my problem.  Furthermore, I <i>really</i> fail to see how their flawed business model should have any bearing what so ever with that rights I have with my hardware.</p><p>To be perfectly blunt, I don't give a shit how bad it is for them, I have the right to load software of my chosing on my hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really fail to see how their flawed business model ( a business model based of the supposed security of a 512-bit RSA key ) is any of my problem .
Furthermore , I really fail to see how their flawed business model should have any bearing what so ever with that rights I have with my hardware.To be perfectly blunt , I do n't give a shit how bad it is for them , I have the right to load software of my chosing on my hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really fail to see how their flawed business model (a business model based of the supposed security of a 512-bit RSA key) is any of my problem.
Furthermore, I really fail to see how their flawed business model should have any bearing what so ever with that rights I have with my hardware.To be perfectly blunt, I don't give a shit how bad it is for them, I have the right to load software of my chosing on my hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29743699</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255530780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last I heard, Wiis have always been sold above the cost of manufacturing.  Also, you don't need special hardware to modify your Wii.  I installed the homebrew app with nothing more than an SD card and my computer.  Granted, I think the latest update to the Wii removed the most convenient method to install the homebrew application, but there are still a handful of ways to get it on the Wii without any hardware modifications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I heard , Wiis have always been sold above the cost of manufacturing .
Also , you do n't need special hardware to modify your Wii .
I installed the homebrew app with nothing more than an SD card and my computer .
Granted , I think the latest update to the Wii removed the most convenient method to install the homebrew application , but there are still a handful of ways to get it on the Wii without any hardware modifications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I heard, Wiis have always been sold above the cost of manufacturing.
Also, you don't need special hardware to modify your Wii.
I installed the homebrew app with nothing more than an SD card and my computer.
Granted, I think the latest update to the Wii removed the most convenient method to install the homebrew application, but there are still a handful of ways to get it on the Wii without any hardware modifications.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29747785</id>
	<title>Make something to check it then</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1255548180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of attempting to prevent modding (losing fight), Ti should create a device that test makers can use to quickly check if a calculator is not standard.  Plug it in, and it analyzes the calculator as it boots up, etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of attempting to prevent modding ( losing fight ) , Ti should create a device that test makers can use to quickly check if a calculator is not standard .
Plug it in , and it analyzes the calculator as it boots up , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of attempting to prevent modding (losing fight), Ti should create a device that test makers can use to quickly check if a calculator is not standard.
Plug it in, and it analyzes the calculator as it boots up, etc...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29744831</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1255535520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, generally speaking the alternative OS that you load onto the iPhone, Xbox, Wii, NDS, etc are all modified versions of the console's native software, or generally otherwise use some other copyrighted material (Linux boxes excluded).  For example, a lot of the new DSi karts have to masquerade as a copyrighted, trademarked game to get past the system protection.  The iPhone is just a modified version of the iPhone's native, copyrighted software.</p><p>But hacking your TI is a completely clean case.  The OS is being replaced, it can't be used to play otherwise inaccessible pirated content, the "homebrew" community for TI calculators is <a href="http://www.ticalc.org/" title="ticalc.org">huge and well documented</a> [ticalc.org].  Essentially, it's a perfect case unpolluted by other copyright questions.  The judge would just be setting a precedent: "Do you have the right to load a different OS on your hardware than the one it shipped with?"  Period.  It's actually a brilliant tactic, that can then be applied like a tool to other cases.  I really hope this one doesn't get settled, and we get a hard-and-fast ruling on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , generally speaking the alternative OS that you load onto the iPhone , Xbox , Wii , NDS , etc are all modified versions of the console 's native software , or generally otherwise use some other copyrighted material ( Linux boxes excluded ) .
For example , a lot of the new DSi karts have to masquerade as a copyrighted , trademarked game to get past the system protection .
The iPhone is just a modified version of the iPhone 's native , copyrighted software.But hacking your TI is a completely clean case .
The OS is being replaced , it ca n't be used to play otherwise inaccessible pirated content , the " homebrew " community for TI calculators is huge and well documented [ ticalc.org ] .
Essentially , it 's a perfect case unpolluted by other copyright questions .
The judge would just be setting a precedent : " Do you have the right to load a different OS on your hardware than the one it shipped with ?
" Period .
It 's actually a brilliant tactic , that can then be applied like a tool to other cases .
I really hope this one does n't get settled , and we get a hard-and-fast ruling on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, generally speaking the alternative OS that you load onto the iPhone, Xbox, Wii, NDS, etc are all modified versions of the console's native software, or generally otherwise use some other copyrighted material (Linux boxes excluded).
For example, a lot of the new DSi karts have to masquerade as a copyrighted, trademarked game to get past the system protection.
The iPhone is just a modified version of the iPhone's native, copyrighted software.But hacking your TI is a completely clean case.
The OS is being replaced, it can't be used to play otherwise inaccessible pirated content, the "homebrew" community for TI calculators is huge and well documented [ticalc.org].
Essentially, it's a perfect case unpolluted by other copyright questions.
The judge would just be setting a precedent: "Do you have the right to load a different OS on your hardware than the one it shipped with?
"  Period.
It's actually a brilliant tactic, that can then be applied like a tool to other cases.
I really hope this one doesn't get settled, and we get a hard-and-fast ruling on it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29744501</id>
	<title>Re:Here are da Keyz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255534200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're probably only freaking out because back in the 60's, they probably used a similar technique to prevent modification to the software controlling launch codes on ICBMs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're probably only freaking out because back in the 60 's , they probably used a similar technique to prevent modification to the software controlling launch codes on ICBMs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're probably only freaking out because back in the 60's, they probably used a similar technique to prevent modification to the software controlling launch codes on ICBMs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739887</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>muffen</author>
	<datestamp>1255443540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices? iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?! EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Hacking or modding any of the consoles you listed will allow you to run copied games. You can see why the companies making the console (and apart from Wii selling the consoles at a loss) doesn't like the modding. However, you can't really claim that you are selling a TI calculator at a loss hoping to make the additional money from software sales, nor can you really claim that hacking the calculator makes you loose any money.
<br> <br>
Say what you will about homebrews etc, I think the vast majority who has a chipped Wii is using it to play copied games. I don't think the vast majority of TI calculator owners use it to pirate anything.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices ?
iPhone , XBOX , Wii , NDS , plus loads others ? !
EFF , why are n't you defending user 's rights there ?
Hacking or modding any of the consoles you listed will allow you to run copied games .
You can see why the companies making the console ( and apart from Wii selling the consoles at a loss ) does n't like the modding .
However , you ca n't really claim that you are selling a TI calculator at a loss hoping to make the additional money from software sales , nor can you really claim that hacking the calculator makes you loose any money .
Say what you will about homebrews etc , I think the vast majority who has a chipped Wii is using it to play copied games .
I do n't think the vast majority of TI calculator owners use it to pirate anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices?
iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?!
EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?
Hacking or modding any of the consoles you listed will allow you to run copied games.
You can see why the companies making the console (and apart from Wii selling the consoles at a loss) doesn't like the modding.
However, you can't really claim that you are selling a TI calculator at a loss hoping to make the additional money from software sales, nor can you really claim that hacking the calculator makes you loose any money.
Say what you will about homebrews etc, I think the vast majority who has a chipped Wii is using it to play copied games.
I don't think the vast majority of TI calculator owners use it to pirate anything.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739589</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1255441560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. The DMCA reads "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that <b>effectively controls access to a work</b> protected under this title".</p><p>How does TI's signing system do that? The TI system just prevents people from loading a new OS onto devices that they already own. It doesn't protect access to work.</p><p>The DMCA is a bad law, but it's not so broad as to say "everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $10 million objects is henceforth illegal."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
The DMCA reads " No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title " .How does TI 's signing system do that ?
The TI system just prevents people from loading a new OS onto devices that they already own .
It does n't protect access to work.The DMCA is a bad law , but it 's not so broad as to say " everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $ 10 million objects is henceforth illegal .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
The DMCA reads "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title".How does TI's signing system do that?
The TI system just prevents people from loading a new OS onto devices that they already own.
It doesn't protect access to work.The DMCA is a bad law, but it's not so broad as to say "everything to which a technology company with a market capitalization of over $10 million objects is henceforth illegal.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739643</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if it was THE LAW that if you could not use a wrench in anyway but as directed by the manufacturer would it still be perfectly valid for WRENCH COMPANY to sue anyone they see using it as a doorstop, or anyone who glues a rubber ball onto the end and calls it a mallet?</p><p>If the law is wrong, then it's also wrong to take advantage of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if it was THE LAW that if you could not use a wrench in anyway but as directed by the manufacturer would it still be perfectly valid for WRENCH COMPANY to sue anyone they see using it as a doorstop , or anyone who glues a rubber ball onto the end and calls it a mallet ? If the law is wrong , then it 's also wrong to take advantage of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if it was THE LAW that if you could not use a wrench in anyway but as directed by the manufacturer would it still be perfectly valid for WRENCH COMPANY to sue anyone they see using it as a doorstop, or anyone who glues a rubber ball onto the end and calls it a mallet?If the law is wrong, then it's also wrong to take advantage of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741089</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1255454640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed.</p></div><p>Prove it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.</p></div><p>So we can't have custom OS's because of sloppiness on the part of the administrators of these standardized tests? It's also a niche market.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus, a calculator created in 1999?</p></div><p>Because they already paid the design costs and there's a need for the functionality of the Ti-83 plus.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</p></div><p>The solution is for test makers to provide secure calculators (which TI probably could provide at a considerable discount) at test time. Anything else is sloppiness on the part of the test administrators and provides yet another avenue for cheating.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS , the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS 's existed.Prove it.On many standardized tests , including the SATs and ACTs , the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.So we ca n't have custom OS 's because of sloppiness on the part of the administrators of these standardized tests ?
It 's also a niche market.Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus , a calculator created in 1999 ? Because they already paid the design costs and there 's a need for the functionality of the Ti-83 plus.The custom OS 's could greatly hurt TI 's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters : the test makers.The solution is for test makers to provide secure calculators ( which TI probably could provide at a considerable discount ) at test time .
Anything else is sloppiness on the part of the test administrators and provides yet another avenue for cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed.Prove it.On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.So we can't have custom OS's because of sloppiness on the part of the administrators of these standardized tests?
It's also a niche market.Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus, a calculator created in 1999?Because they already paid the design costs and there's a need for the functionality of the Ti-83 plus.The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.The solution is for test makers to provide secure calculators (which TI probably could provide at a considerable discount) at test time.
Anything else is sloppiness on the part of the test administrators and provides yet another avenue for cheating.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740535</id>
	<title>Re:I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1255449300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform.</p></div><p>Reverse engineering is <em>always</em> allowed unless a contract is place to restrict some activities. It doesn't matter if the device in question was designed for accessibility or not. The only potential issue is with patent violations for disseminating information gleaned from reverse engineering. In this case that won't happen since the only thing being shared are the crypto. keys which can't be protected as a form of IP.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform.Reverse engineering is always allowed unless a contract is place to restrict some activities .
It does n't matter if the device in question was designed for accessibility or not .
The only potential issue is with patent violations for disseminating information gleaned from reverse engineering .
In this case that wo n't happen since the only thing being shared are the crypto .
keys which ca n't be protected as a form of IP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform.Reverse engineering is always allowed unless a contract is place to restrict some activities.
It doesn't matter if the device in question was designed for accessibility or not.
The only potential issue is with patent violations for disseminating information gleaned from reverse engineering.
In this case that won't happen since the only thing being shared are the crypto.
keys which can't be protected as a form of IP.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29778473</id>
	<title>Re:TI-84</title>
	<author>TheStonepedo</author>
	<datestamp>1255803300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you graduate from high school and begin taking tests at a college level you may find that your TI-84 is far more complex than the calculators allowed in exams.<br>All physics, chemistry, and engineering exams I took in college allowed the TI-30XA or an equivalent approved by the professor.<br>A well-written test takes exactly long enough to complete that a students who knows the material will barely finish in time and students who smuggle in cheat sheets will run out of time while reading them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you graduate from high school and begin taking tests at a college level you may find that your TI-84 is far more complex than the calculators allowed in exams.All physics , chemistry , and engineering exams I took in college allowed the TI-30XA or an equivalent approved by the professor.A well-written test takes exactly long enough to complete that a students who knows the material will barely finish in time and students who smuggle in cheat sheets will run out of time while reading them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you graduate from high school and begin taking tests at a college level you may find that your TI-84 is far more complex than the calculators allowed in exams.All physics, chemistry, and engineering exams I took in college allowed the TI-30XA or an equivalent approved by the professor.A well-written test takes exactly long enough to complete that a students who knows the material will barely finish in time and students who smuggle in cheat sheets will run out of time while reading them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29743339</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Crock23A</author>
	<datestamp>1255528500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree.  Rather than bully these people, TI should be asking to see their resumes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Rather than bully these people , TI should be asking to see their resumes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Rather than bully these people, TI should be asking to see their resumes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739545</id>
	<title>I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>Trip6</author>
	<datestamp>1255441080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform.  It was sold as an end user product with documented functionality as described in the user's manual.  Sure enough, when the hacks disable their machines TI will get the support call.  Most slashdotters will probably flame me for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform .
It was sold as an end user product with documented functionality as described in the user 's manual .
Sure enough , when the hacks disable their machines TI will get the support call .
Most slashdotters will probably flame me for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The product was not sold as a computer or development platform.
It was sold as an end user product with documented functionality as described in the user's manual.
Sure enough, when the hacks disable their machines TI will get the support call.
Most slashdotters will probably flame me for this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740817</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Programs ALREADY exist for symbolic derivation (Look up "Symbolic". It's very good.) You don't need to hack the OS for that, you can install it a hardware interrupt. Custom OSs are almost entirely useless on tests, because they replace all the nifty math functions in the normal OS with another, almost certainly harder to use and less useful set of abilities. Plus a calculator running a custom OS, built from scratch, would have a very different looking interface, and would be much easier to detect than installing a program on the stock OS. You can already write custom OSes for the 83+, you just have to run a hack to get the hardware to run it. Being able to sign a custom OS just makes it easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Programs ALREADY exist for symbolic derivation ( Look up " Symbolic " .
It 's very good .
) You do n't need to hack the OS for that , you can install it a hardware interrupt .
Custom OSs are almost entirely useless on tests , because they replace all the nifty math functions in the normal OS with another , almost certainly harder to use and less useful set of abilities .
Plus a calculator running a custom OS , built from scratch , would have a very different looking interface , and would be much easier to detect than installing a program on the stock OS .
You can already write custom OSes for the 83 + , you just have to run a hack to get the hardware to run it .
Being able to sign a custom OS just makes it easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Programs ALREADY exist for symbolic derivation (Look up "Symbolic".
It's very good.
) You don't need to hack the OS for that, you can install it a hardware interrupt.
Custom OSs are almost entirely useless on tests, because they replace all the nifty math functions in the normal OS with another, almost certainly harder to use and less useful set of abilities.
Plus a calculator running a custom OS, built from scratch, would have a very different looking interface, and would be much easier to detect than installing a program on the stock OS.
You can already write custom OSes for the 83+, you just have to run a hack to get the hardware to run it.
Being able to sign a custom OS just makes it easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739559</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint."</p></div><p>Now we just need to spice thay message up with a flavorful rap.<br>"Don't tinker with your pocket thinker"<br>"It's not cool to mod your calc in school"<br>etc</p><p>/I know it'll never compare to "don't copy that floppy" but it's a start.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you misspelled " Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI 's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint .
" Now we just need to spice thay message up with a flavorful rap .
" Do n't tinker with your pocket thinker " " It 's not cool to mod your calc in school " etc/I know it 'll never compare to " do n't copy that floppy " but it 's a start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you misspelled "Pirates and cyber-terrorists are stealing money from TI's hardworking engineers at virtual gunpoint.
"Now we just need to spice thay message up with a flavorful rap.
"Don't tinker with your pocket thinker""It's not cool to mod your calc in school"etc/I know it'll never compare to "don't copy that floppy" but it's a start.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740327</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1255447560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't worry about "fairness". Those who understand the maths aren't disadvantaged by variations in the capabilities of calculators, and those who depend on a particular calculator's capabilities alone don't understand the maths in the first place.
<p>
The real question has to be: if the teachers are worried about powerful calculators biasing the test results, why don't they work a bit harder and give tests which
need real understanding?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't worry about " fairness " .
Those who understand the maths are n't disadvantaged by variations in the capabilities of calculators , and those who depend on a particular calculator 's capabilities alone do n't understand the maths in the first place .
The real question has to be : if the teachers are worried about powerful calculators biasing the test results , why do n't they work a bit harder and give tests which need real understanding ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't worry about "fairness".
Those who understand the maths aren't disadvantaged by variations in the capabilities of calculators, and those who depend on a particular calculator's capabilities alone don't understand the maths in the first place.
The real question has to be: if the teachers are worried about powerful calculators biasing the test results, why don't they work a bit harder and give tests which
need real understanding?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739791</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1255442880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is that bad legal strategy? You don't sue Microsoft over their entire business model, you defend hobbyists from vexatious litigation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is that bad legal strategy ?
You do n't sue Microsoft over their entire business model , you defend hobbyists from vexatious litigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is that bad legal strategy?
You don't sue Microsoft over their entire business model, you defend hobbyists from vexatious litigation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29745935</id>
	<title>Profits down?  Sue your customers!</title>
	<author>ACMENEWSLLC</author>
	<datestamp>1255540020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so what's likely really going on is that the device has a fixed cost and they sell the same device with different feature sets (software) at different prices.</p><p>Hobbyist have figured out how to buy the cheaper device and load the more expensive software, right?</p><p>If not, then WTF?   TI's making the same profit on the device weather it was tinkered with or not.  Learn from LinkSys.  The WRT54G was being hacked to install DDWRT.  LinkSys saw the value in this.  When they released a new version of the WRT54G which no longer had the capacity for DDWRT, they released the WRT54GL aimed specifically at loading up DDWRT.</p><p>Embrace you customers, don't sue them!   I realize suing them looks good on the books, and the 1 year term CEO can take the bonus and run before the long term results hit.  But thinking like that will destroy a company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so what 's likely really going on is that the device has a fixed cost and they sell the same device with different feature sets ( software ) at different prices.Hobbyist have figured out how to buy the cheaper device and load the more expensive software , right ? If not , then WTF ?
TI 's making the same profit on the device weather it was tinkered with or not .
Learn from LinkSys .
The WRT54G was being hacked to install DDWRT .
LinkSys saw the value in this .
When they released a new version of the WRT54G which no longer had the capacity for DDWRT , they released the WRT54GL aimed specifically at loading up DDWRT.Embrace you customers , do n't sue them !
I realize suing them looks good on the books , and the 1 year term CEO can take the bonus and run before the long term results hit .
But thinking like that will destroy a company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so what's likely really going on is that the device has a fixed cost and they sell the same device with different feature sets (software) at different prices.Hobbyist have figured out how to buy the cheaper device and load the more expensive software, right?If not, then WTF?
TI's making the same profit on the device weather it was tinkered with or not.
Learn from LinkSys.
The WRT54G was being hacked to install DDWRT.
LinkSys saw the value in this.
When they released a new version of the WRT54G which no longer had the capacity for DDWRT, they released the WRT54GL aimed specifically at loading up DDWRT.Embrace you customers, don't sue them!
I realize suing them looks good on the books, and the 1 year term CEO can take the bonus and run before the long term results hit.
But thinking like that will destroy a company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740303</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>arogier</author>
	<datestamp>1255447260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If someone wants their TI-89 to operate under the rule that 2+2=5 or that pi=3, it is only righteous for them to do math as their whims dictate.  Peforming non-arithmetic addition should be something someone only needs to switch the operating system to accomplish.  Asking someone to create chips to accomplish the task sets the bar for prank calculators artificially high.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone wants their TI-89 to operate under the rule that 2 + 2 = 5 or that pi = 3 , it is only righteous for them to do math as their whims dictate .
Peforming non-arithmetic addition should be something someone only needs to switch the operating system to accomplish .
Asking someone to create chips to accomplish the task sets the bar for prank calculators artificially high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone wants their TI-89 to operate under the rule that 2+2=5 or that pi=3, it is only righteous for them to do math as their whims dictate.
Peforming non-arithmetic addition should be something someone only needs to switch the operating system to accomplish.
Asking someone to create chips to accomplish the task sets the bar for prank calculators artificially high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740189</id>
	<title>big misunderstanding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255446240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read the headline as <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8FW2AqY8l8" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">TI the rapper</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the headline as TI the rapper [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the headline as TI the rapper [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29747209</id>
	<title>This is a good point</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1255545780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back in the mists of prehistoric time, when I was a physics undergrad, we obviously took a lot of math and physics. Like 6 semesters of math, and god only knows how many physics courses. Somehow, we got by without ever needing a calculator - I didn't even own one. I'm not really sure why we need to use calculators during exams nowadays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the mists of prehistoric time , when I was a physics undergrad , we obviously took a lot of math and physics .
Like 6 semesters of math , and god only knows how many physics courses .
Somehow , we got by without ever needing a calculator - I did n't even own one .
I 'm not really sure why we need to use calculators during exams nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the mists of prehistoric time, when I was a physics undergrad, we obviously took a lot of math and physics.
Like 6 semesters of math, and god only knows how many physics courses.
Somehow, we got by without ever needing a calculator - I didn't even own one.
I'm not really sure why we need to use calculators during exams nowadays.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739615</id>
	<title>Re:I can see TI's point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Computer" and "development platform" are fancy words for "calculator" and "programmable calculator", respectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Computer " and " development platform " are fancy words for " calculator " and " programmable calculator " , respectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Computer" and "development platform" are fancy words for "calculator" and "programmable calculator", respectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29742905</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255524300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please explain how these folks that have legally purchased their calculators are pirates, and stealing money from TI?  How is what they are doing different than buing a computer that has Vista/Windows 7 installed, wiping it and installing Linux (or whatever OS they choose?)  How is it different that running your own computer with a BIOS that you have modified?  Neither if these things are illegal nor are they immoral in any way.   The same applies to the folks modifying the Os on their TI calculators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please explain how these folks that have legally purchased their calculators are pirates , and stealing money from TI ?
How is what they are doing different than buing a computer that has Vista/Windows 7 installed , wiping it and installing Linux ( or whatever OS they choose ?
) How is it different that running your own computer with a BIOS that you have modified ?
Neither if these things are illegal nor are they immoral in any way .
The same applies to the folks modifying the Os on their TI calculators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please explain how these folks that have legally purchased their calculators are pirates, and stealing money from TI?
How is what they are doing different than buing a computer that has Vista/Windows 7 installed, wiping it and installing Linux (or whatever OS they choose?
)  How is it different that running your own computer with a BIOS that you have modified?
Neither if these things are illegal nor are they immoral in any way.
The same applies to the folks modifying the Os on their TI calculators.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739885</id>
	<title>What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>matzahboy</author>
	<datestamp>1255443540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed.

On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test. They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker. All ti-83's are allowed on either test for example.

But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators.

Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus, a calculator created in 1999? Certainly hardware abilities and processor speeds have greatly increased in the last 10 years. The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities. They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator. When browsing calculators at education.ti.com, each calculator has a page called "exam acceptance" (ex. <a href="http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us\_ti83p.html?bid=2" title="ti.com" rel="nofollow">http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us\_ti83p.html?bid=2</a> [ti.com]). That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students.

The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS , the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS 's existed .
On many standardized tests , including the SATs and ACTs , the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test .
They have a very specific list , based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker .
All ti-83 's are allowed on either test for example .
But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83 's that had undocumented , unfair functions ( such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89 ) , the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators .
Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus , a calculator created in 1999 ?
Certainly hardware abilities and processor speeds have greatly increased in the last 10 years .
The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities .
They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator .
When browsing calculators at education.ti.com , each calculator has a page called " exam acceptance " ( ex .
http : //education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us \ _ti83p.html ? bid = 2 [ ti.com ] ) .
That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students .
The custom OS 's could greatly hurt TI 's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters : the test makers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although a Ti-83 can definitely be enhanced by a custom OS, the usefulness of a Ti-83 would greatly decrease for students if custom OS's existed.
On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.
They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker.
All ti-83's are allowed on either test for example.
But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators.
Why do you think TI still sells the Ti-83 plus, a calculator created in 1999?
Certainly hardware abilities and processor speeds have greatly increased in the last 10 years.
The reason is that test makers will not accept calculators with very powerful abilities.
They want the student to solve the problem and not the calculator.
When browsing calculators at education.ti.com, each calculator has a page called "exam acceptance" (ex.
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us\_ti83p.html?bid=2 [ti.com]).
That is because TI sells a large number of its calculators to students.
The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29755153</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Life2Death</author>
	<datestamp>1255609020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like TI is just disabling stuff in software to separate the versions.</p><p>When I was in highschool and they forced you to have a TI86 or whatever, I went out and got a palm pilot for $50 less, color screen. Then I went and got some top shelf software for it, $29. I could write basic (compiled even) programs, play games in color, and my calculator was faster and more powerful than those massive desk size TI's that have a color screen. Also having a touch screen is bar none. It just was "right" for graphing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like TI is just disabling stuff in software to separate the versions.When I was in highschool and they forced you to have a TI86 or whatever , I went out and got a palm pilot for $ 50 less , color screen .
Then I went and got some top shelf software for it , $ 29 .
I could write basic ( compiled even ) programs , play games in color , and my calculator was faster and more powerful than those massive desk size TI 's that have a color screen .
Also having a touch screen is bar none .
It just was " right " for graphing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like TI is just disabling stuff in software to separate the versions.When I was in highschool and they forced you to have a TI86 or whatever, I went out and got a palm pilot for $50 less, color screen.
Then I went and got some top shelf software for it, $29.
I could write basic (compiled even) programs, play games in color, and my calculator was faster and more powerful than those massive desk size TI's that have a color screen.
Also having a touch screen is bar none.
It just was "right" for graphing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29746913</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255544460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test. They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker. All ti-83's are allowed on either test for example...But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators...</p></div><p>The TI-89 IS allowed on the SAT and ACT already. The only one that isnt is the 92 and voyager. ie a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...On many standardized tests , including the SATs and ACTs , the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test .
They have a very specific list , based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker .
All ti-83 's are allowed on either test for example...But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83 's that had undocumented , unfair functions ( such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89 ) , the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators...The TI-89 IS allowed on the SAT and ACT already .
The only one that isnt is the 92 and voyager .
ie a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.
They have a very specific list, based on which ones they think are not too powerful and would give an unfair advantage to a test taker.
All ti-83's are allowed on either test for example...But if the makers of the test knew that people could have ti-83's that had undocumented, unfair functions (such as symbolic algebraic solving as in the ti-89), the test makers would most likely disallow these calculators...The TI-89 IS allowed on the SAT and ACT already.
The only one that isnt is the 92 and voyager.
ie a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740991</id>
	<title>Re:Then how do you change the law?</title>
	<author>hardburn</author>
	<datestamp>1255453620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What would you have people do? Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals? How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone?</p></div><p>It can actually get you pretty far. Congresscritters don't get as much mail as you'd think. Sure, they'll be a deluge for hotbutton issues, but there's a lot more going on in Congress than what gets on CNN. One letter on a given issue, provided it has proper capitalization and has at least been run through a spell checker, can go a long way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What would you have people do ?
Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals ?
How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone ? It can actually get you pretty far .
Congresscritters do n't get as much mail as you 'd think .
Sure , they 'll be a deluge for hotbutton issues , but there 's a lot more going on in Congress than what gets on CNN .
One letter on a given issue , provided it has proper capitalization and has at least been run through a spell checker , can go a long way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would you have people do?
Write desperate missives to their congressmen imploring on them how ridiculous this law is in theory using hypotheticals?
How far do you think that has ever gotten anyone?It can actually get you pretty far.
Congresscritters don't get as much mail as you'd think.
Sure, they'll be a deluge for hotbutton issues, but there's a lot more going on in Congress than what gets on CNN.
One letter on a given issue, provided it has proper capitalization and has at least been run through a spell checker, can go a long way.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740155</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1255446060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.<br></i><br>If this were really truly a threat, then just provide the same calculator for everyone at the test.  Calculators aren't that expensive.  Ban bringing your own calculator into the test, and collect the calculator at the end of the test.  Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On many standardized tests , including the SATs and ACTs , the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.If this were really truly a threat , then just provide the same calculator for everyone at the test .
Calculators are n't that expensive .
Ban bringing your own calculator into the test , and collect the calculator at the end of the test .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On many standardized tests, including the SATs and ACTs, the tests specify which calculators are permitted for the test.If this were really truly a threat, then just provide the same calculator for everyone at the test.
Calculators aren't that expensive.
Ban bringing your own calculator into the test, and collect the calculator at the end of the test.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29750257</id>
	<title>Another brick in the wall...</title>
	<author>Snufu</author>
	<datestamp>1255516080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Hey, TI<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...leave our hacks alone!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hey , TI ...leave our hacks alone !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hey, TI ...leave our hacks alone!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29753985</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255549380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the solution is to run a program on the same calculator that computes the prime factors and operates on a data set that might (or not) also run as an OS.  Such a program, with a hint for a starting point might finish quickly 'nuf.
<br>
Then folk can quibble about how much of a hint is too much since RSA already gives hints...
greater than 1 and less than N hints are allowed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the solution is to run a program on the same calculator that computes the prime factors and operates on a data set that might ( or not ) also run as an OS .
Such a program , with a hint for a starting point might finish quickly 'nuf .
Then folk can quibble about how much of a hint is too much since RSA already gives hints.. . greater than 1 and less than N hints are allowed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the solution is to run a program on the same calculator that computes the prime factors and operates on a data set that might (or not) also run as an OS.
Such a program, with a hint for a starting point might finish quickly 'nuf.
Then folk can quibble about how much of a hint is too much since RSA already gives hints...
greater than 1 and less than N hints are allowed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741041</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255454040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29747871</id>
	<title>Re:You don't</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1255548600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the trouble I have with the ability to copyright digital media. The data on CD is just a long number; that's why it's called "digital". It's only numbers. How long does a number have to be before you can copyright it?</p><p>I've often wondered what PI taken to the farthest decimal place we've gotten to would sound like if you played it back as a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.wav file?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the trouble I have with the ability to copyright digital media .
The data on CD is just a long number ; that 's why it 's called " digital " .
It 's only numbers .
How long does a number have to be before you can copyright it ? I 've often wondered what PI taken to the farthest decimal place we 've gotten to would sound like if you played it back as a .wav file ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the trouble I have with the ability to copyright digital media.
The data on CD is just a long number; that's why it's called "digital".
It's only numbers.
How long does a number have to be before you can copyright it?I've often wondered what PI taken to the farthest decimal place we've gotten to would sound like if you played it back as a .wav file?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739577</id>
	<title>Mind probe in time for Christmas</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1255441440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once TI backs down, others will smolder. Then I can finally modify my Tektronix 465 scope to become a mind probe. Once its calibrated of course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once TI backs down , others will smolder .
Then I can finally modify my Tektronix 465 scope to become a mind probe .
Once its calibrated of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once TI backs down, others will smolder.
Then I can finally modify my Tektronix 465 scope to become a mind probe.
Once its calibrated of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29755729</id>
	<title>5 bucks works from me.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1255614300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i frequently donate to eff through paypal. even tho my donations are not regular and small, i think every bit counts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i frequently donate to eff through paypal .
even tho my donations are not regular and small , i think every bit counts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i frequently donate to eff through paypal.
even tho my donations are not regular and small, i think every bit counts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29745877</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1255539720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this has to do with TI maintaining their monopoly on the educational market.  TI calculators are just about the only ones high-school math teachers support.  Those teachers need to know that the calculators in their classrooms don't have extra programs that would help a kid cheat on a test.  That's easy enough to check with the default TI OS.  If the OS has been replaced, all bets are off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this has to do with TI maintaining their monopoly on the educational market .
TI calculators are just about the only ones high-school math teachers support .
Those teachers need to know that the calculators in their classrooms do n't have extra programs that would help a kid cheat on a test .
That 's easy enough to check with the default TI OS .
If the OS has been replaced , all bets are off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this has to do with TI maintaining their monopoly on the educational market.
TI calculators are just about the only ones high-school math teachers support.
Those teachers need to know that the calculators in their classrooms don't have extra programs that would help a kid cheat on a test.
That's easy enough to check with the default TI OS.
If the OS has been replaced, all bets are off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29743519</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1255529640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test.</p></div><p> Easier for the test makers to just specify that only calculators that can't be updated (or otherwise programmed to any great extent) can be used. At the level we're talking, students should be doing the complicated stuff themselves any so that they know what the the elaborate devices are doing for them later on in life.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test .
Easier for the test makers to just specify that only calculators that ca n't be updated ( or otherwise programmed to any great extent ) can be used .
At the level we 're talking , students should be doing the complicated stuff themselves any so that they know what the the elaborate devices are doing for them later on in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One idea is for the test makers to force test takers to use school issued calculators for the duration of the test.
Easier for the test makers to just specify that only calculators that can't be updated (or otherwise programmed to any great extent) can be used.
At the level we're talking, students should be doing the complicated stuff themselves any so that they know what the the elaborate devices are doing for them later on in life.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29742075</id>
	<title>Re:How do you copyright factors of a number?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255512300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aha! I spot a YADS-PALM!</p><p>Yet Another Disingenious Slashbot Posting About Legal Matters.</p><p>Consider this: Any stream of binary data, such as oh say the VOB files from a DVD, can be seen as comprising one extremely long integer.</p><p>Do you \_really\_ think that any sane judge or jury would accept an excuse of "I'm just distributing a number mathematically derived from another (copyrighted) number" from a guy selling e.g. DivX-encoded rips of copyrighted DVDs?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aha !
I spot a YADS-PALM ! Yet Another Disingenious Slashbot Posting About Legal Matters.Consider this : Any stream of binary data , such as oh say the VOB files from a DVD , can be seen as comprising one extremely long integer.Do you \ _really \ _ think that any sane judge or jury would accept an excuse of " I 'm just distributing a number mathematically derived from another ( copyrighted ) number " from a guy selling e.g .
DivX-encoded rips of copyrighted DVDs ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aha!
I spot a YADS-PALM!Yet Another Disingenious Slashbot Posting About Legal Matters.Consider this: Any stream of binary data, such as oh say the VOB files from a DVD, can be seen as comprising one extremely long integer.Do you \_really\_ think that any sane judge or jury would accept an excuse of "I'm just distributing a number mathematically derived from another (copyrighted) number" from a guy selling e.g.
DivX-encoded rips of copyrighted DVDs?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740057</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255445160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's nothing disabled or unavailable. The calculators are miniature computers. The higher-end models simply run different software. Now, since the TI-89 series uses a 68000 and the TI-83 Plus series uses a Z80, you won't be able to get anywhere, but if you want to write the features in yourself, go for it. You don't need to change the OS either to do this. You can write an application that interfaces with the existing OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing disabled or unavailable .
The calculators are miniature computers .
The higher-end models simply run different software .
Now , since the TI-89 series uses a 68000 and the TI-83 Plus series uses a Z80 , you wo n't be able to get anywhere , but if you want to write the features in yourself , go for it .
You do n't need to change the OS either to do this .
You can write an application that interfaces with the existing OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing disabled or unavailable.
The calculators are miniature computers.
The higher-end models simply run different software.
Now, since the TI-89 series uses a 68000 and the TI-83 Plus series uses a Z80, you won't be able to get anywhere, but if you want to write the features in yourself, go for it.
You don't need to change the OS either to do this.
You can write an application that interfaces with the existing OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29744903</id>
	<title>Re:Here are da Keyz</title>
	<author>Whispers\_in\_the\_dark</author>
	<datestamp>1255535820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amazing!  That's the same combination I have on my luggage!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing !
That 's the same combination I have on my luggage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing!
That's the same combination I have on my luggage!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739497</id>
	<title>RPN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they are afraid someone will write a decent RPN code for their calc?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they are afraid someone will write a decent RPN code for their calc ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they are afraid someone will write a decent RPN code for their calc?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29741237</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features. nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.</p></div><p>Sometimes there's a valid reason to do this. Semiconductor manufacturing involves fickle processes and wafers are expensive. So when a chip comes off the line and fails testing on some of its cores/pipelines/cache, it makes more sense to disable the faulty bits and sell the chip for a lower price rather than throw it out completely (see http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce\_6800\_unlocking/ for an example).</p><p>You see this all the time with analog chips. Often components will be put into "bins" of varying grade, with the grades being sold for different prices (eg. see http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1154,C1004,C1013,P37595). Often the higher grades are slightly better performing (can withstand higher temperatures, lower noise etc.). Sometimes you can get lucky and get an exceptionally well performing low-grade part.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features .
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical , one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.Sometimes there 's a valid reason to do this .
Semiconductor manufacturing involves fickle processes and wafers are expensive .
So when a chip comes off the line and fails testing on some of its cores/pipelines/cache , it makes more sense to disable the faulty bits and sell the chip for a lower price rather than throw it out completely ( see http : //www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce \ _6800 \ _unlocking/ for an example ) .You see this all the time with analog chips .
Often components will be put into " bins " of varying grade , with the grades being sold for different prices ( eg .
see http : //www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp ? navId = H0,C1,C1154,C1004,C1013,P37595 ) .
Often the higher grades are slightly better performing ( can withstand higher temperatures , lower noise etc. ) .
Sometimes you can get lucky and get an exceptionally well performing low-grade part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features.
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.Sometimes there's a valid reason to do this.
Semiconductor manufacturing involves fickle processes and wafers are expensive.
So when a chip comes off the line and fails testing on some of its cores/pipelines/cache, it makes more sense to disable the faulty bits and sell the chip for a lower price rather than throw it out completely (see http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce\_6800\_unlocking/ for an example).You see this all the time with analog chips.
Often components will be put into "bins" of varying grade, with the grades being sold for different prices (eg.
see http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1154,C1004,C1013,P37595).
Often the higher grades are slightly better performing (can withstand higher temperatures, lower noise etc.).
Sometimes you can get lucky and get an exceptionally well performing low-grade part.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739861</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>X.25</author>
	<datestamp>1255443420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right? I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right? Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?</i></p><p>Yes. Finding keys on smartcards in order to watch TV program you haven't paid for is the same as finding keys on a calculator so you can put your software on it.</p><p>Man, you are a fucking genius.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , come to think of it , if TI loses on this one , I 'm quite eager to start 'testing ' satellite TV signals again... After all , it 's just some keys used for signing , right ?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money , right ?
Quite the slippery slope , is n't it ? Yes .
Finding keys on smartcards in order to watch TV program you have n't paid for is the same as finding keys on a calculator so you can put your software on it.Man , you are a fucking genius .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, come to think of it, if TI loses on this one, I'm quite eager to start 'testing' satellite TV signals again... After all, it's just some keys used for signing, right?
I purchased my hardware receiver for money, right?
Quite the slippery slope, isn't it?Yes.
Finding keys on smartcards in order to watch TV program you haven't paid for is the same as finding keys on a calculator so you can put your software on it.Man, you are a fucking genius.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739473</id>
	<title>Uh, why just TI?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices?  iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?!  EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices ?
iPhone , XBOX , Wii , NDS , plus loads others ? !
EFF , why are n't you defending user 's rights there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all the similar crap that goes on with other devices?
iPhone, XBOX, Wii, NDS, plus loads others?!
EFF, why aren't you defending user's rights there?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740401</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>Arker</author>
	<datestamp>1255448100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You show a good reason why TI would *like* to be able to prohibit me from modifying *my* calculator.

You do not show any legal, moral, or ethical reason why their desire is not simply one of millions of impractical fancies. "If wishes were horses the beggars would ride."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You show a good reason why TI would * like * to be able to prohibit me from modifying * my * calculator .
You do not show any legal , moral , or ethical reason why their desire is not simply one of millions of impractical fancies .
" If wishes were horses the beggars would ride .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You show a good reason why TI would *like* to be able to prohibit me from modifying *my* calculator.
You do not show any legal, moral, or ethical reason why their desire is not simply one of millions of impractical fancies.
"If wishes were horses the beggars would ride.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740163</id>
	<title>Re:What about the need for uniformity?</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1255446060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Sucks to be TI. I'm sure they'll survive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The custom OS 's could greatly hurt TI 's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters : the test makers .
Sucks to be TI .
I 'm sure they 'll survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The custom OS's could greatly hurt TI's reputation in the eyes of its biggest supporters: the test makers.
Sucks to be TI.
I'm sure they'll survive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739613</id>
	<title>Re:Nonsense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how is it pirating? its like installing linux on your computer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is it pirating ?
its like installing linux on your computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is it pirating?
its like installing linux on your computer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29740397</id>
	<title>Here are da Keyz</title>
	<author>ealbers</author>
	<datestamp>1255448100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here are the three keys:
TI-83 (Plus):
n=82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0
AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE
83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3
47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F
p=B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD
q=B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB
d=4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7
EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927
6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1
e=11
TI-84 (Plus):
prp77 factor: 67070508990537181066342707695603050521324524613874331879259881495826493920589
prp78 factor: 186923771200711284770368041572205320486346816476524340240220962467860568859381
n=EF5FEF0B0AB6E22731C17539658B2E91E53A59BF8E00FCC81D05758F26C1791CD35AF6101B1E35
43AC3E78FD8BB8F37FC8FE85601C502EABC9132CEAD4711CB1
p=94489014C63CC9E1E1ADB192DBBDD1F78F90A630DA9C86EFC4CBCA44E5B4D54D
q=19D431AF2794229620B884E3750D622D1C74F2E4569DC15486FC8D5A3BCDFE2F5
d=2A3E1B2010F318D9BD7C7E19300980B055A0E2A9554B77E7142E23CDF7C7CA13C233A3D462FDFC
968B1F9CEAF2AC2CF305147992AD9E834192ACEBB517DB9941
e=11</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are the three keys : TI-83 ( Plus ) : n = 82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0 AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE 83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3 47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7 EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 e = 11 TI-84 ( Plus ) : prp77 factor : 67070508990537181066342707695603050521324524613874331879259881495826493920589 prp78 factor : 186923771200711284770368041572205320486346816476524340240220962467860568859381 n = EF5FEF0B0AB6E22731C17539658B2E91E53A59BF8E00FCC81D05758F26C1791CD35AF6101B1E35 43AC3E78FD8BB8F37FC8FE85601C502EABC9132CEAD4711CB1 p = 94489014C63CC9E1E1ADB192DBBDD1F78F90A630DA9C86EFC4CBCA44E5B4D54D q = 19D431AF2794229620B884E3750D622D1C74F2E4569DC15486FC8D5A3BCDFE2F5 d = 2A3E1B2010F318D9BD7C7E19300980B055A0E2A9554B77E7142E23CDF7C7CA13C233A3D462FDFC 968B1F9CEAF2AC2CF305147992AD9E834192ACEBB517DB9941 e = 11</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are the three keys:
TI-83 (Plus):
n=82EF4009ED7CAC2A5EE12B5F8E8AD9A0
AB9CC9F4F3E44B7E8BF2D57A2F2BEACE
83424E1CFF0D2A5A7E2E53CB926D61F3
47DFAA4B35B205B5881CEB40B328E58F
p=B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD
q=B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB
d=4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7
EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927
6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1
e=11
TI-84 (Plus):
prp77 factor: 67070508990537181066342707695603050521324524613874331879259881495826493920589
prp78 factor: 186923771200711284770368041572205320486346816476524340240220962467860568859381
n=EF5FEF0B0AB6E22731C17539658B2E91E53A59BF8E00FCC81D05758F26C1791CD35AF6101B1E35
43AC3E78FD8BB8F37FC8FE85601C502EABC9132CEAD4711CB1
p=94489014C63CC9E1E1ADB192DBBDD1F78F90A630DA9C86EFC4CBCA44E5B4D54D
q=19D431AF2794229620B884E3750D622D1C74F2E4569DC15486FC8D5A3BCDFE2F5
d=2A3E1B2010F318D9BD7C7E19300980B055A0E2A9554B77E7142E23CDF7C7CA13C233A3D462FDFC
968B1F9CEAF2AC2CF305147992AD9E834192ACEBB517DB9941
e=11</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_2330247.29739687</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features. nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.</p></div> </blockquote><p>That's why those types of things are done with fuses, so that's it's virtually impossible to re-enable features that have been fused out. It's certainly impossible to do purely in software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features .
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical , one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier .
That 's why those types of things are done with fuses , so that 's it 's virtually impossible to re-enable features that have been fused out .
It 's certainly impossible to do purely in software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sorts of companies produce the exact same hardware and then have a registry bit/flag hidden somewhere to enable the more expensive features.
nVidia and their Quadro cards comes to mind... Or Intel and their underclock/overclock crap... the chips are identical, one is stamped with a different number and frozen at a different multiplier.
That's why those types of things are done with fuses, so that's it's virtually impossible to re-enable features that have been fused out.
It's certainly impossible to do purely in software.
	</sentencetext>
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