<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_13_1647215</id>
	<title>High-Temp Superconductors To Connect Power Grids</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1255452960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>physburn writes <i>"Somewhere in a triangle between Roswell (UFO) NM, Albuquerque (Left Turn) NM, and Amarillo (Do you know the way?) TX, a <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Superconductor-Electricity-bw-1358093940.html?x=0&amp;.v=1">22.5 square mile triangle of High Temperature Superconductor pipeline is to be built</a>. Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity. The purpose to load-balance and sell electricity between America's three power grids. Previously the Eastern Grid, Western Grid and Texan Grid have been separate, preventing cheap electricity being sold from one end of America to the other. The Tres Amiga Superstation, as it is to be called, will finally connect the three grids. The superstation is also designed to link renewable solar and wind power in the grids, and is to use HTS wire from <a href="http://www.amsc.com/">American Superconductor</a>. Some 23 years after its invention, today HTS comes of age. "</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>physburn writes " Somewhere in a triangle between Roswell ( UFO ) NM , Albuquerque ( Left Turn ) NM , and Amarillo ( Do you know the way ?
) TX , a 22.5 square mile triangle of High Temperature Superconductor pipeline is to be built .
Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity .
The purpose to load-balance and sell electricity between America 's three power grids .
Previously the Eastern Grid , Western Grid and Texan Grid have been separate , preventing cheap electricity being sold from one end of America to the other .
The Tres Amiga Superstation , as it is to be called , will finally connect the three grids .
The superstation is also designed to link renewable solar and wind power in the grids , and is to use HTS wire from American Superconductor .
Some 23 years after its invention , today HTS comes of age .
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<sentencetext>physburn writes "Somewhere in a triangle between Roswell (UFO) NM, Albuquerque (Left Turn) NM, and Amarillo (Do you know the way?
) TX, a 22.5 square mile triangle of High Temperature Superconductor pipeline is to be built.
Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity.
The purpose to load-balance and sell electricity between America's three power grids.
Previously the Eastern Grid, Western Grid and Texan Grid have been separate, preventing cheap electricity being sold from one end of America to the other.
The Tres Amiga Superstation, as it is to be called, will finally connect the three grids.
The superstation is also designed to link renewable solar and wind power in the grids, and is to use HTS wire from American Superconductor.
Some 23 years after its invention, today HTS comes of age.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739519</id>
	<title>Re:And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255440960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported.  The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = (v)i or p = (i/r)i ).  That's not a big problem when you're running a vacuum cleaner (although the wire will ususally get warm).  It's a huge problem when you're talking about moving thousands of amps.  The longer the wire, the more losses there are.  In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.</p></div><p>No.</p><p>The reason sodium may be used (although I've never heard of this before) is because it is the cheapest metal on earth.</p><p>At an electrical conductivity of 57\% that of Aluminum, yet only 36\% as dense, cost per kilogram is about 29\% that of aluminum.</p><p>End result Sodium costs per unit only 30\% that of aluminum.</p><p>If it were practical the power companies would be stringing sodium filled copper pipes instead of aluminum.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported .
The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = ( v ) i or p = ( i/r ) i ) .
That 's not a big problem when you 're running a vacuum cleaner ( although the wire will ususally get warm ) .
It 's a huge problem when you 're talking about moving thousands of amps .
The longer the wire , the more losses there are .
In fact , it 's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil , due to the fact that sodium has a very , very high conductance at normal temperatures.No.The reason sodium may be used ( although I 've never heard of this before ) is because it is the cheapest metal on earth.At an electrical conductivity of 57 \ % that of Aluminum , yet only 36 \ % as dense , cost per kilogram is about 29 \ % that of aluminum.End result Sodium costs per unit only 30 \ % that of aluminum.If it were practical the power companies would be stringing sodium filled copper pipes instead of aluminum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported.
The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = (v)i or p = (i/r)i ).
That's not a big problem when you're running a vacuum cleaner (although the wire will ususally get warm).
It's a huge problem when you're talking about moving thousands of amps.
The longer the wire, the more losses there are.
In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.No.The reason sodium may be used (although I've never heard of this before) is because it is the cheapest metal on earth.At an electrical conductivity of 57\% that of Aluminum, yet only 36\% as dense, cost per kilogram is about 29\% that of aluminum.End result Sodium costs per unit only 30\% that of aluminum.If it were practical the power companies would be stringing sodium filled copper pipes instead of aluminum.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734131</id>
	<title>Re:What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>KillerBob</author>
	<datestamp>1255458960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Won't increasing efficiency lower energy prices? Am I right in thinking that there really isn't any incentive for power companies to do this?</p></div></blockquote><p>You're not right. From TFS/TFA, there's currently no link between the three different power grids. The incentive for the corporations to back this is the potential for them to save money (by buying power from other grids during peak times, rather than building more power plants to make up for the shortfall), and the potential to make money (by selling power to other grids during off-peak hours).</p><p>As an example, TX can sell power to the north during the winter to help cover the increased cost of heating, and they can buy power in the summer to help cover the cost of air conditioning. Also, the East can sell to the West when it's 1am on the East Coast (most people in bed, off-peak hours), but still 10pm in California. Likewise, California can sell to the east when it's 5am there (people are still asleep), but 8am in the east.</p><p>All in all, it should make a *huge* difference for their bottom lines, while also helping the environment by reducing the amount of power that we have to generate.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Wo n't increasing efficiency lower energy prices ?
Am I right in thinking that there really is n't any incentive for power companies to do this ? You 're not right .
From TFS/TFA , there 's currently no link between the three different power grids .
The incentive for the corporations to back this is the potential for them to save money ( by buying power from other grids during peak times , rather than building more power plants to make up for the shortfall ) , and the potential to make money ( by selling power to other grids during off-peak hours ) .As an example , TX can sell power to the north during the winter to help cover the increased cost of heating , and they can buy power in the summer to help cover the cost of air conditioning .
Also , the East can sell to the West when it 's 1am on the East Coast ( most people in bed , off-peak hours ) , but still 10pm in California .
Likewise , California can sell to the east when it 's 5am there ( people are still asleep ) , but 8am in the east.All in all , it should make a * huge * difference for their bottom lines , while also helping the environment by reducing the amount of power that we have to generate .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't increasing efficiency lower energy prices?
Am I right in thinking that there really isn't any incentive for power companies to do this?You're not right.
From TFS/TFA, there's currently no link between the three different power grids.
The incentive for the corporations to back this is the potential for them to save money (by buying power from other grids during peak times, rather than building more power plants to make up for the shortfall), and the potential to make money (by selling power to other grids during off-peak hours).As an example, TX can sell power to the north during the winter to help cover the increased cost of heating, and they can buy power in the summer to help cover the cost of air conditioning.
Also, the East can sell to the West when it's 1am on the East Coast (most people in bed, off-peak hours), but still 10pm in California.
Likewise, California can sell to the east when it's 5am there (people are still asleep), but 8am in the east.All in all, it should make a *huge* difference for their bottom lines, while also helping the environment by reducing the amount of power that we have to generate.
:)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736501</id>
	<title>God, The Name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255426140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        No matter how good an idea this might be naming the critter "Three Amigos" even if disguised with a bit of Spanish may doom it to the level of success suffered by the Steve Martin movie "The Three Amigos". Perhaps a rethink of the name of the project would be wise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No matter how good an idea this might be naming the critter " Three Amigos " even if disguised with a bit of Spanish may doom it to the level of success suffered by the Steve Martin movie " The Three Amigos " .
Perhaps a rethink of the name of the project would be wise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        No matter how good an idea this might be naming the critter "Three Amigos" even if disguised with a bit of Spanish may doom it to the level of success suffered by the Steve Martin movie "The Three Amigos".
Perhaps a rethink of the name of the project would be wise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734483</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255460400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A superconductor has a critical current, if you go above the critical current, the superconductivity breaks down (and you are screwed). The critical current density depends on: material, temperature, and the magnetic field (basically, the critical current decreases when the temperature or magnetic field increases).</p><p>
&nbsp; Since there is always a magnetic field present (the earth magnetic field), there is always a maximum current a superconductor can carry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A superconductor has a critical current , if you go above the critical current , the superconductivity breaks down ( and you are screwed ) .
The critical current density depends on : material , temperature , and the magnetic field ( basically , the critical current decreases when the temperature or magnetic field increases ) .
  Since there is always a magnetic field present ( the earth magnetic field ) , there is always a maximum current a superconductor can carry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A superconductor has a critical current, if you go above the critical current, the superconductivity breaks down (and you are screwed).
The critical current density depends on: material, temperature, and the magnetic field (basically, the critical current decreases when the temperature or magnetic field increases).
  Since there is always a magnetic field present (the earth magnetic field), there is always a maximum current a superconductor can carry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29740651</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>Jimbob The Mighty</author>
	<datestamp>1255450140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Goodl luck getting it up to 88 miles per hour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Goodl luck getting it up to 88 miles per hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goodl luck getting it up to 88 miles per hour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734155</id>
	<title>Re:What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255459020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The incentive is that they get a larger market to sell to.  Currently, the best they can do is meet demand of their own region.  Now, if they have extra capacity and another part of the grid lacks supply, they can make extra money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The incentive is that they get a larger market to sell to .
Currently , the best they can do is meet demand of their own region .
Now , if they have extra capacity and another part of the grid lacks supply , they can make extra money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The incentive is that they get a larger market to sell to.
Currently, the best they can do is meet demand of their own region.
Now, if they have extra capacity and another part of the grid lacks supply, they can make extra money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29747073</id>
	<title>Cool battery</title>
	<author>Hells Ranger</author>
	<datestamp>1255545180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's nice with a system like that is if they make truly connect each section together you get a inductance that carry 15 GW(3*5GW per section). That's useful for load balancing but you can also store that energy in the system.</p><p>Since it's a superconductor you get one freaking huge battery. It's not a lot to run en entire state but it should give a few moment in case of power failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's nice with a system like that is if they make truly connect each section together you get a inductance that carry 15 GW ( 3 * 5GW per section ) .
That 's useful for load balancing but you can also store that energy in the system.Since it 's a superconductor you get one freaking huge battery .
It 's not a lot to run en entire state but it should give a few moment in case of power failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's nice with a system like that is if they make truly connect each section together you get a inductance that carry 15 GW(3*5GW per section).
That's useful for load balancing but you can also store that energy in the system.Since it's a superconductor you get one freaking huge battery.
It's not a lot to run en entire state but it should give a few moment in case of power failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735121</id>
	<title>So what's the superconducting material?</title>
	<author>Dr. Spork</author>
	<datestamp>1255463520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually tried to RTFA and the best clue I found about what this "high temperature superconductor" is was a picture with them showing a liquid nitrogen cooling system. If these superconductors are operating at liquid nitrogen temperatures, I would assume that they have to be of the Type 2 ceramics, almost certainly some sort of copper oxides. However, inside of the nitrogen-cooled envelope was something with many more unlabeled layers, one of which could have been a liquid helium system. (Whenever you use liquid helium, it's wise to surround it with a vacuum and then to surround that with a pipe cooled by liquid nitrogen, so that the helium doesn't absorb much radiated heat from the pipe.)<p>

Does someone have more concrete information on what material they will use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually tried to RTFA and the best clue I found about what this " high temperature superconductor " is was a picture with them showing a liquid nitrogen cooling system .
If these superconductors are operating at liquid nitrogen temperatures , I would assume that they have to be of the Type 2 ceramics , almost certainly some sort of copper oxides .
However , inside of the nitrogen-cooled envelope was something with many more unlabeled layers , one of which could have been a liquid helium system .
( Whenever you use liquid helium , it 's wise to surround it with a vacuum and then to surround that with a pipe cooled by liquid nitrogen , so that the helium does n't absorb much radiated heat from the pipe .
) Does someone have more concrete information on what material they will use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually tried to RTFA and the best clue I found about what this "high temperature superconductor" is was a picture with them showing a liquid nitrogen cooling system.
If these superconductors are operating at liquid nitrogen temperatures, I would assume that they have to be of the Type 2 ceramics, almost certainly some sort of copper oxides.
However, inside of the nitrogen-cooled envelope was something with many more unlabeled layers, one of which could have been a liquid helium system.
(Whenever you use liquid helium, it's wise to surround it with a vacuum and then to surround that with a pipe cooled by liquid nitrogen, so that the helium doesn't absorb much radiated heat from the pipe.
)

Does someone have more concrete information on what material they will use?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733701</id>
	<title>$1 per acre per year --- nice deal!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255457220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Public trust land managed in the public interest.</p><p>Oh ya.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Public trust land managed in the public interest.Oh ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Public trust land managed in the public interest.Oh ya.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735785</id>
	<title>The west is geared HEAVILY for AE</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1255466400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have loads more sun, less clouds, and great geo-thermal potential. The West to the midwest has loads of wind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have loads more sun , less clouds , and great geo-thermal potential .
The West to the midwest has loads of wind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have loads more sun, less clouds, and great geo-thermal potential.
The West to the midwest has loads of wind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733973</id>
	<title>Re:shapes</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1255458300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its a triangle of fat cables in piupes fill of Liquid Nitrogen.
<p>
Here's the <a href="http://www.amsc.com/TresAmigasSuperstation.html" title="amsc.com">Tres Amigas</a> [amsc.com] design, via the AMSC site.
</p><p>
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<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/SuperConductors/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Super Conductor</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its a triangle of fat cables in piupes fill of Liquid Nitrogen .
Here 's the Tres Amigas [ amsc.com ] design , via the AMSC site .
--- Super Conductor [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its a triangle of fat cables in piupes fill of Liquid Nitrogen.
Here's the Tres Amigas [amsc.com] design, via the AMSC site.
---

Super Conductor [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733871</id>
	<title>Re:Where?</title>
	<author>megamerican</author>
	<datestamp>1255457940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The submitter obviously didn't know the way to San Jose and instead of admitting he was wrong changed the song.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The submitter obviously did n't know the way to San Jose and instead of admitting he was wrong changed the song .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The submitter obviously didn't know the way to San Jose and instead of admitting he was wrong changed the song.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737595</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255430040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>5GW or about 4.13 Mr. Fusions. But how many horsepower per rods is that? And how many Libraries of Congress per fortnight? Those would be the kind of useful<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. stats we need to compare it to the airspeed of a laden swallow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>5GW or about 4.13 Mr. Fusions. But how many horsepower per rods is that ?
And how many Libraries of Congress per fortnight ?
Those would be the kind of useful / .
stats we need to compare it to the airspeed of a laden swallow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5GW or about 4.13 Mr. Fusions. But how many horsepower per rods is that?
And how many Libraries of Congress per fortnight?
Those would be the kind of useful /.
stats we need to compare it to the airspeed of a laden swallow.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734621</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>shawnce</author>
	<datestamp>1255460940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What really is needed is LONGER super conducting DC corridors across this country not shorter ones. Use these DC long haul corridors to interconnect various existing AC grids allowing a high level of power distribution/load sharing with lower power transmission losses.</p><p>Anyway ignore the 22 sq miles tag line... This is just three DC trunks going between three AC/DC conversion substations that are connected to each of three existing AC grids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What really is needed is LONGER super conducting DC corridors across this country not shorter ones .
Use these DC long haul corridors to interconnect various existing AC grids allowing a high level of power distribution/load sharing with lower power transmission losses.Anyway ignore the 22 sq miles tag line... This is just three DC trunks going between three AC/DC conversion substations that are connected to each of three existing AC grids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What really is needed is LONGER super conducting DC corridors across this country not shorter ones.
Use these DC long haul corridors to interconnect various existing AC grids allowing a high level of power distribution/load sharing with lower power transmission losses.Anyway ignore the 22 sq miles tag line... This is just three DC trunks going between three AC/DC conversion substations that are connected to each of three existing AC grids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737101</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>mpdolan37</author>
	<datestamp>1255428300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>does this mean that time travel is possible now?  5GW is definately more than 1.21GW</htmltext>
<tokenext>does this mean that time travel is possible now ?
5GW is definately more than 1.21GW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>does this mean that time travel is possible now?
5GW is definately more than 1.21GW</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733811</id>
	<title>I'm a...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255457640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can conduct 3 symphony orchestras at once.</p><p>I'm a super conductor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can conduct 3 symphony orchestras at once.I 'm a super conductor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can conduct 3 symphony orchestras at once.I'm a super conductor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733981</id>
	<title>This is when...</title>
	<author>thered2001</author>
	<datestamp>1255458360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...we find out we aren't all exactly running 60 HZ after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...we find out we are n't all exactly running 60 HZ after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...we find out we aren't all exactly running 60 HZ after all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734299</id>
	<title>Re:Where?</title>
	<author>ptbarnett</author>
	<datestamp>1255459620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't you mean San Jose?</p></div><p>I think the submitter meant "Is this the way?"</p><p>

"(Is this the way to) Amarillo" was recorded by Tony Christie and turned into a big hit in the UK.</p><p>

This YouTube video just added to the popularity:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5y1cNpbYo" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5y1cNpbYo</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't you mean San Jose ? I think the submitter meant " Is this the way ?
" " ( Is this the way to ) Amarillo " was recorded by Tony Christie and turned into a big hit in the UK .
This YouTube video just added to the popularity : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = ZI5y1cNpbYo [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you mean San Jose?I think the submitter meant "Is this the way?
"

"(Is this the way to) Amarillo" was recorded by Tony Christie and turned into a big hit in the UK.
This YouTube video just added to the popularity:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI5y1cNpbYo [youtube.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736373</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1255425540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Meh,  why is that getting flagged as insightful.</p><p>The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure is<br>a) only for the money<br>b) going to ruin the planet<br>c) a target for terrorists<br>d) too late</p><p>is getting really old.</p><p>The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.  Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.  If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.</p><p>BTW,  knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.</p></div><p>Exactly.</p><p>Money issues?  This will provide thousands of jobs, the ability for power systems in remote ares to be built to poewr distant cities, and increase the profitability of the power companies.  It solves issues of where to put power generation systems and could reduce construction (and legal battle) costs by 2/3rds or more.  For every dollar they'll save, you'll be lucky to see $0.50 come off your bill, meaning it;s a LOT more money for them.  THEY WANT THIS and so do we, is that not proof?</p><p>Planetary issues?  This allows us to deploy mass wind, water, and solar systems where we could not due to transmission distances and disconnected grid infrastructure.  now we can access cheap clean energy and give it to anyone instead of building less efficint power plants where the power is needed.  This will be the beginning of the elimination of coal and gas power across most of the land.</p><p>Terrorism?  First it's a proof of concept, and only facilitates a transfer system between other currently completely self sufficient (soft of) systems.  This is a beginning, not a complete system.  Even a terorist strike on this new triangle (which is self redundant btw, requiring 2 seperate coordinated strikes at a minimum, against underground buried cables in what's likely to be a secure area) would not cause more than a few second brownout as the grid rebalanced.  Besides, these cables, do you have ANY idea of their construction???  significant bombardment would have trouble causing radical damage to the cable itself, and you're not getting a bomb inside the secured areas where the interconnect will be.</p><p>Further, being a POC, these cables will be deployed everywhere from this central spoke, creating more nodes in the future, and is the begining of a replacement redundant grid system.  When deployed there will be fewer points of failure than in today's grid, and few if any single points that could take out more than small towns.</p><p>Too late?  Well, late, I'll agree, we should have started deployment 20 years ago when we had the technology.  Oh, wait...  We did, 22 years ago!  Now it;s proven, and being deployed, and will take 30-40 years to completely roll out, at a cost of nearly 10 trillion.  but, it;s not too late...  Too late implies even if we built it, there would be no benefit as we'll have already collapsed.  Yes it;s too late to deploy it in the most cost effective method, and we have a stressed grid, and may need to build a few temporary power plants not necessary if we put a few trillion behind this a while back, but in the end the extra research actually saved us a lot of money, and allowed better long term planning.  This is a 50 year process to replace a grid, not a 3-4 year build out...</p><p>I do propose we back off the electric car bandwagon a bit and spend the money instead on some additional superlines like this, and some more wind farms, and some dotyenergy RFTS fuel manufacturing plants (www.dotyenergy.com) to halt our oil expansion and curb import demand, and give our grid time to grow to actually be able to power those cars, and battery technology time to mature so we'll want to both drive them and pay for them.  People do blow the super grid technology out of proportion.  Most of those people are fed by propoganda and FUD from employees of local power monopolies who will no longer be able to overcharge for power, but i could give a fuck about the greedy minority.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Meh , why is that getting flagged as insightful.The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure isa ) only for the moneyb ) going to ruin the planetc ) a target for terroristsd ) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent .
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what .
If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.BTW , knocking this section out does n't take all 3 grids down.Exactly.Money issues ?
This will provide thousands of jobs , the ability for power systems in remote ares to be built to poewr distant cities , and increase the profitability of the power companies .
It solves issues of where to put power generation systems and could reduce construction ( and legal battle ) costs by 2/3rds or more .
For every dollar they 'll save , you 'll be lucky to see $ 0.50 come off your bill , meaning it ; s a LOT more money for them .
THEY WANT THIS and so do we , is that not proof ? Planetary issues ?
This allows us to deploy mass wind , water , and solar systems where we could not due to transmission distances and disconnected grid infrastructure .
now we can access cheap clean energy and give it to anyone instead of building less efficint power plants where the power is needed .
This will be the beginning of the elimination of coal and gas power across most of the land.Terrorism ?
First it 's a proof of concept , and only facilitates a transfer system between other currently completely self sufficient ( soft of ) systems .
This is a beginning , not a complete system .
Even a terorist strike on this new triangle ( which is self redundant btw , requiring 2 seperate coordinated strikes at a minimum , against underground buried cables in what 's likely to be a secure area ) would not cause more than a few second brownout as the grid rebalanced .
Besides , these cables , do you have ANY idea of their construction ? ? ?
significant bombardment would have trouble causing radical damage to the cable itself , and you 're not getting a bomb inside the secured areas where the interconnect will be.Further , being a POC , these cables will be deployed everywhere from this central spoke , creating more nodes in the future , and is the begining of a replacement redundant grid system .
When deployed there will be fewer points of failure than in today 's grid , and few if any single points that could take out more than small towns.Too late ?
Well , late , I 'll agree , we should have started deployment 20 years ago when we had the technology .
Oh , wait... We did , 22 years ago !
Now it ; s proven , and being deployed , and will take 30-40 years to completely roll out , at a cost of nearly 10 trillion .
but , it ; s not too late... Too late implies even if we built it , there would be no benefit as we 'll have already collapsed .
Yes it ; s too late to deploy it in the most cost effective method , and we have a stressed grid , and may need to build a few temporary power plants not necessary if we put a few trillion behind this a while back , but in the end the extra research actually saved us a lot of money , and allowed better long term planning .
This is a 50 year process to replace a grid , not a 3-4 year build out...I do propose we back off the electric car bandwagon a bit and spend the money instead on some additional superlines like this , and some more wind farms , and some dotyenergy RFTS fuel manufacturing plants ( www.dotyenergy.com ) to halt our oil expansion and curb import demand , and give our grid time to grow to actually be able to power those cars , and battery technology time to mature so we 'll want to both drive them and pay for them .
People do blow the super grid technology out of proportion .
Most of those people are fed by propoganda and FUD from employees of local power monopolies who will no longer be able to overcharge for power , but i could give a fuck about the greedy minority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh,  why is that getting flagged as insightful.The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure isa) only for the moneyb) going to ruin the planetc) a target for terroristsd) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.
If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.BTW,  knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.Exactly.Money issues?
This will provide thousands of jobs, the ability for power systems in remote ares to be built to poewr distant cities, and increase the profitability of the power companies.
It solves issues of where to put power generation systems and could reduce construction (and legal battle) costs by 2/3rds or more.
For every dollar they'll save, you'll be lucky to see $0.50 come off your bill, meaning it;s a LOT more money for them.
THEY WANT THIS and so do we, is that not proof?Planetary issues?
This allows us to deploy mass wind, water, and solar systems where we could not due to transmission distances and disconnected grid infrastructure.
now we can access cheap clean energy and give it to anyone instead of building less efficint power plants where the power is needed.
This will be the beginning of the elimination of coal and gas power across most of the land.Terrorism?
First it's a proof of concept, and only facilitates a transfer system between other currently completely self sufficient (soft of) systems.
This is a beginning, not a complete system.
Even a terorist strike on this new triangle (which is self redundant btw, requiring 2 seperate coordinated strikes at a minimum, against underground buried cables in what's likely to be a secure area) would not cause more than a few second brownout as the grid rebalanced.
Besides, these cables, do you have ANY idea of their construction???
significant bombardment would have trouble causing radical damage to the cable itself, and you're not getting a bomb inside the secured areas where the interconnect will be.Further, being a POC, these cables will be deployed everywhere from this central spoke, creating more nodes in the future, and is the begining of a replacement redundant grid system.
When deployed there will be fewer points of failure than in today's grid, and few if any single points that could take out more than small towns.Too late?
Well, late, I'll agree, we should have started deployment 20 years ago when we had the technology.
Oh, wait...  We did, 22 years ago!
Now it;s proven, and being deployed, and will take 30-40 years to completely roll out, at a cost of nearly 10 trillion.
but, it;s not too late...  Too late implies even if we built it, there would be no benefit as we'll have already collapsed.
Yes it;s too late to deploy it in the most cost effective method, and we have a stressed grid, and may need to build a few temporary power plants not necessary if we put a few trillion behind this a while back, but in the end the extra research actually saved us a lot of money, and allowed better long term planning.
This is a 50 year process to replace a grid, not a 3-4 year build out...I do propose we back off the electric car bandwagon a bit and spend the money instead on some additional superlines like this, and some more wind farms, and some dotyenergy RFTS fuel manufacturing plants (www.dotyenergy.com) to halt our oil expansion and curb import demand, and give our grid time to grow to actually be able to power those cars, and battery technology time to mature so we'll want to both drive them and pay for them.
People do blow the super grid technology out of proportion.
Most of those people are fed by propoganda and FUD from employees of local power monopolies who will no longer be able to overcharge for power, but i could give a fuck about the greedy minority.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735039</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1255463040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.<br>It has a circuit breaker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.It has a circuit breaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.It has a circuit breaker.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29740139</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Heretic2</author>
	<datestamp>1255445940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Speaking for Texas, ya'll might have blackouts. We'll cut you off long before then.</p></div><p>Speaking of Texas, it's "y'all" OK, "Y'all."  I can understand that like many, you've just moved to this state I was born in, but please get that one right if you intend to continuing living here.  It's important =)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Speaking for Texas , ya 'll might have blackouts .
We 'll cut you off long before then.Speaking of Texas , it 's " y'all " OK , " Y'all .
" I can understand that like many , you 've just moved to this state I was born in , but please get that one right if you intend to continuing living here .
It 's important = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking for Texas, ya'll might have blackouts.
We'll cut you off long before then.Speaking of Texas, it's "y'all" OK, "Y'all.
"  I can understand that like many, you've just moved to this state I was born in, but please get that one right if you intend to continuing living here.
It's important =)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733945</id>
	<title>Uh... Do you know the way...</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1255458240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...to Santa Fe?</p><p>Amarillo doesn't even rhyme!</p><p>What about (Yellow Rose)? That would make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...to Santa Fe ? Amarillo does n't even rhyme ! What about ( Yellow Rose ) ?
That would make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...to Santa Fe?Amarillo doesn't even rhyme!What about (Yellow Rose)?
That would make sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734679</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>imgod2u</author>
	<datestamp>1255461120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll actually get reactance (imaginary part of impedance, specifically inductance in this case), not resistance. But you don't actually lose energy through reactance like you do resistance (no power is converted to heat) unless there's another magnetic field to interfere. So yes, you could put AC through a superconductor. There's just little reason to when you have very little resistance and DC is usually easier to deal with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll actually get reactance ( imaginary part of impedance , specifically inductance in this case ) , not resistance .
But you do n't actually lose energy through reactance like you do resistance ( no power is converted to heat ) unless there 's another magnetic field to interfere .
So yes , you could put AC through a superconductor .
There 's just little reason to when you have very little resistance and DC is usually easier to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll actually get reactance (imaginary part of impedance, specifically inductance in this case), not resistance.
But you don't actually lose energy through reactance like you do resistance (no power is converted to heat) unless there's another magnetic field to interfere.
So yes, you could put AC through a superconductor.
There's just little reason to when you have very little resistance and DC is usually easier to deal with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735597</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255465560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Texas has it's own grid so it doesn't need to be invited into one of the others, it doesn't want to have to depend on any other state.  Part of this is simply a Texan attitude on independence and self-sufficiency, but the reasons stretch back to World War II.  I googled this article that pretty well sums it up.  http://www.slate.com/id/2087133/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Texas has it 's own grid so it does n't need to be invited into one of the others , it does n't want to have to depend on any other state .
Part of this is simply a Texan attitude on independence and self-sufficiency , but the reasons stretch back to World War II .
I googled this article that pretty well sums it up .
http : //www.slate.com/id/2087133/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Texas has it's own grid so it doesn't need to be invited into one of the others, it doesn't want to have to depend on any other state.
Part of this is simply a Texan attitude on independence and self-sufficiency, but the reasons stretch back to World War II.
I googled this article that pretty well sums it up.
http://www.slate.com/id/2087133/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734045</id>
	<title>Perhaps the energy can be harnessed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the high temperature given off by the superconductors can be harnessed to create more energy or heat homes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the high temperature given off by the superconductors can be harnessed to create more energy or heat homes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the high temperature given off by the superconductors can be harnessed to create more energy or heat homes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734111</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1255458840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Central Point of Failure.</p></div><p>Actually, if you read the article, sounds like they're wiring it "delta" as opposed to "wye" so any individual cut merely reroutes around the long way...  And yes I am very well aware that "delta" and "wye" means something very specific w/ regards to three phase power, I was just using the names for topological reference.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Central Point of Failure.Actually , if you read the article , sounds like they 're wiring it " delta " as opposed to " wye " so any individual cut merely reroutes around the long way... And yes I am very well aware that " delta " and " wye " means something very specific w/ regards to three phase power , I was just using the names for topological reference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Central Point of Failure.Actually, if you read the article, sounds like they're wiring it "delta" as opposed to "wye" so any individual cut merely reroutes around the long way...  And yes I am very well aware that "delta" and "wye" means something very specific w/ regards to three phase power, I was just using the names for topological reference.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734927</id>
	<title>Re:Your First Premis Is WRONG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255462380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Europeans like you with your bitches get DAMN old. Next you will be telling Australians that they are no Australia or Oceania, but are Penal Colony # 5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Europeans like you with your bitches get DAMN old .
Next you will be telling Australians that they are no Australia or Oceania , but are Penal Colony # 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europeans like you with your bitches get DAMN old.
Next you will be telling Australians that they are no Australia or Oceania, but are Penal Colony # 5.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734193</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255459200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I drive thru Clovis every now and then, and always stop for fuel. It's a convenient shortcut from central Texas to I-40, which I find preferable to I-10 when doing a TX to SF Bay RV run. Clovis is in pretty dire circumstances, and it's likely to get worse when the Air Force base closes. I doubt this will do much for their job market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive thru Clovis every now and then , and always stop for fuel .
It 's a convenient shortcut from central Texas to I-40 , which I find preferable to I-10 when doing a TX to SF Bay RV run .
Clovis is in pretty dire circumstances , and it 's likely to get worse when the Air Force base closes .
I doubt this will do much for their job market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive thru Clovis every now and then, and always stop for fuel.
It's a convenient shortcut from central Texas to I-40, which I find preferable to I-10 when doing a TX to SF Bay RV run.
Clovis is in pretty dire circumstances, and it's likely to get worse when the Air Force base closes.
I doubt this will do much for their job market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735445</id>
	<title>Renewable renewable renewable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255464960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p>"<i>blah blah blah</i> renewable power <i>blah blah</i> renewable energy <i>blah blah blah blah blah</i> renewable energy <i>blah blah blah</i> renewable energy <i>blah blah blah blah blah</i> renewable energy <i>blah blah blah</i>"</p><p>What, are they going to filter out electricity generated by coal-fired and LNG plants? &lt;supercilious&gt;"Oh, we won't carry <i>that</i> energy..."&lt;/supercilious&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " blah blah blah renewable power blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah " What , are they going to filter out electricity generated by coal-fired and LNG plants ?
" Oh , we wo n't carry that energy... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"blah blah blah renewable power blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah blah blah renewable energy blah blah blah"What, are they going to filter out electricity generated by coal-fired and LNG plants?
"Oh, we won't carry that energy..."</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29742207</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1255513740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a) only for the money</p></div><p>Not sure why this one is lumped in with the rest.  Improvements in infrastructure, generally, <i>are</i> done for the money.  No one builds out bit infrastructure for fun.  It's always done with the expectation of some payback.  In this case, transferring power between grids cheaply lets you do more efficient load balancing, which means you can sell power for the same rate, but buy it (on average) for less and make more profit.  The total power wasted will be lower, so we need to burn less fossil fuels and everyone wins.  This even applies to government-funded infrastructure.  It's done with the aim of increasing trade or production capability, which increases earnings and therefore tax revenue.</p></div>
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<tokenext>a ) only for the moneyNot sure why this one is lumped in with the rest .
Improvements in infrastructure , generally , are done for the money .
No one builds out bit infrastructure for fun .
It 's always done with the expectation of some payback .
In this case , transferring power between grids cheaply lets you do more efficient load balancing , which means you can sell power for the same rate , but buy it ( on average ) for less and make more profit .
The total power wasted will be lower , so we need to burn less fossil fuels and everyone wins .
This even applies to government-funded infrastructure .
It 's done with the aim of increasing trade or production capability , which increases earnings and therefore tax revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a) only for the moneyNot sure why this one is lumped in with the rest.
Improvements in infrastructure, generally, are done for the money.
No one builds out bit infrastructure for fun.
It's always done with the expectation of some payback.
In this case, transferring power between grids cheaply lets you do more efficient load balancing, which means you can sell power for the same rate, but buy it (on average) for less and make more profit.
The total power wasted will be lower, so we need to burn less fossil fuels and everyone wins.
This even applies to government-funded infrastructure.
It's done with the aim of increasing trade or production capability, which increases earnings and therefore tax revenue.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734201</id>
	<title>"Forward Looking Comment"</title>
	<author>adamruck</author>
	<datestamp>1255459200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Found this on the bottom of the article</p><p><i>Any statements in this release about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company, including our expectations regarding the future financial performance of the company and other statements containing the words "believes," "anticipates," "plans," "expects," "will" and similar expressions, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. There are a number of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements. Such factors include: we have a history of operating losses, and we may incur losses in the future; a significant portion of our revenues are derived from a single customer, and a reduction in business with this customer could adversely affect our operating results; adverse changes in domestic and global economic conditions could adversely affect our operating results; changes in exchange rates could adversely affect our results from operations; our common stock may experience extreme market price and volume fluctuations, which may prevent our stockholders from selling our common stock at a profit and could lead to costly litigation against us that could divert our management&rsquo;s attention; if we fail to implement our business strategy, our financial performance and our growth could be materially and adversely affected; we may not realize all of the sales expected from our backlog of orders and contracts; many of our revenue opportunities are dependent upon subcontractors and other business collaborators, and a reduction in orders stemming from these companies could adversely affect our operating results; our products face intense competition, which could limit our ability to acquire or retain customers; our success is dependent upon attracting and retaining qualified personnel and our inability to do so could significantly damage our business and prospects; and our international operations are subject to risks that we do not face in the U.S., which could have an adverse effect on our operating results. Reference is made to these and other factors discussed in the "Risk Factors" section of the company's most recent quarterly or annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, any forward-looking statements included in this press release represent the company's views as of the date of this release. While the company anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause the company's views to change, the company specifically disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as representing the company's views as of any date subsequent to the date this press release is issued.</i></p><p>Makes me wonder...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Found this on the bottom of the articleAny statements in this release about future expectations , plans and prospects for the company , including our expectations regarding the future financial performance of the company and other statements containing the words " believes , " " anticipates , " " plans , " " expects , " " will " and similar expressions , constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 .
There are a number of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements .
Such factors include : we have a history of operating losses , and we may incur losses in the future ; a significant portion of our revenues are derived from a single customer , and a reduction in business with this customer could adversely affect our operating results ; adverse changes in domestic and global economic conditions could adversely affect our operating results ; changes in exchange rates could adversely affect our results from operations ; our common stock may experience extreme market price and volume fluctuations , which may prevent our stockholders from selling our common stock at a profit and could lead to costly litigation against us that could divert our management    s attention ; if we fail to implement our business strategy , our financial performance and our growth could be materially and adversely affected ; we may not realize all of the sales expected from our backlog of orders and contracts ; many of our revenue opportunities are dependent upon subcontractors and other business collaborators , and a reduction in orders stemming from these companies could adversely affect our operating results ; our products face intense competition , which could limit our ability to acquire or retain customers ; our success is dependent upon attracting and retaining qualified personnel and our inability to do so could significantly damage our business and prospects ; and our international operations are subject to risks that we do not face in the U.S. , which could have an adverse effect on our operating results .
Reference is made to these and other factors discussed in the " Risk Factors " section of the company 's most recent quarterly or annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission .
In addition , any forward-looking statements included in this press release represent the company 's views as of the date of this release .
While the company anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause the company 's views to change , the company specifically disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements .
These forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as representing the company 's views as of any date subsequent to the date this press release is issued.Makes me wonder.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Found this on the bottom of the articleAny statements in this release about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company, including our expectations regarding the future financial performance of the company and other statements containing the words "believes," "anticipates," "plans," "expects," "will" and similar expressions, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
There are a number of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements.
Such factors include: we have a history of operating losses, and we may incur losses in the future; a significant portion of our revenues are derived from a single customer, and a reduction in business with this customer could adversely affect our operating results; adverse changes in domestic and global economic conditions could adversely affect our operating results; changes in exchange rates could adversely affect our results from operations; our common stock may experience extreme market price and volume fluctuations, which may prevent our stockholders from selling our common stock at a profit and could lead to costly litigation against us that could divert our management’s attention; if we fail to implement our business strategy, our financial performance and our growth could be materially and adversely affected; we may not realize all of the sales expected from our backlog of orders and contracts; many of our revenue opportunities are dependent upon subcontractors and other business collaborators, and a reduction in orders stemming from these companies could adversely affect our operating results; our products face intense competition, which could limit our ability to acquire or retain customers; our success is dependent upon attracting and retaining qualified personnel and our inability to do so could significantly damage our business and prospects; and our international operations are subject to risks that we do not face in the U.S., which could have an adverse effect on our operating results.
Reference is made to these and other factors discussed in the "Risk Factors" section of the company's most recent quarterly or annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
In addition, any forward-looking statements included in this press release represent the company's views as of the date of this release.
While the company anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause the company's views to change, the company specifically disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements.
These forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as representing the company's views as of any date subsequent to the date this press release is issued.Makes me wonder...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737169</id>
	<title>All these smart folks..</title>
	<author>Sunrun</author>
	<datestamp>1255428480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..and not one "Men&#225;ge &#225; Trois" joke?  Odd, especially considering the project name: TresAmigas (loosely translated: three girlfriends).

Yay, karma-burn...</htmltext>
<tokenext>..and not one " Men   ge   Trois " joke ?
Odd , especially considering the project name : TresAmigas ( loosely translated : three girlfriends ) .
Yay , karma-burn.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..and not one "Menáge á Trois" joke?
Odd, especially considering the project name: TresAmigas (loosely translated: three girlfriends).
Yay, karma-burn...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733595</id>
	<title>Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's enough to power slightly more than four time machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736741</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1255427100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.</p></div><p>Great Scott!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.Great Scott !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.Great Scott!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733671</id>
	<title>Uh.. Roswell?</title>
	<author>JayPee</author>
	<datestamp>1255457100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, Roswell?</p><p>More likely this is going to be the supragrid where the huge alien craft will come to suck our energy away.  (Think "V" The mini-series)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , Roswell ? More likely this is going to be the supragrid where the huge alien craft will come to suck our energy away .
( Think " V " The mini-series )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, Roswell?More likely this is going to be the supragrid where the huge alien craft will come to suck our energy away.
(Think "V" The mini-series)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734079</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Energy is measured in Joules, Watts is a measurement of Power.  it is 5 GW of power, not electricity or energy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Energy is measured in Joules , Watts is a measurement of Power .
it is 5 GW of power , not electricity or energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Energy is measured in Joules, Watts is a measurement of Power.
it is 5 GW of power, not electricity or energy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736617</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255426620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell your therapist that this round of meds, while making you much more coherent overall, hasn't done a damn thing for your dyslexia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell your therapist that this round of meds , while making you much more coherent overall , has n't done a damn thing for your dyslexia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell your therapist that this round of meds, while making you much more coherent overall, hasn't done a damn thing for your dyslexia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29738011</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>Tesla Tank</author>
	<datestamp>1255431660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing I can think of is that the AC transmission lines for the 3 different interconnect aren't all at the same location.  There probably isn't a location where all 3 systems meet, and you need to have access to HVAC lines in order to transfer power to and from each system.  So logical location would be somewhere that is closest to all 3 systems.</p><p>While you're correct that it's cheaper to have shorter superconducting DC lines, they don't seem to be that expensive.  Their website indicates it's on par with HVAC lines: <a href="http://www.amsc.com/products/applications/utilities/superconductorpipeline.html" title="amsc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amsc.com/products/applications/utilities/superconductorpipeline.html</a> [amsc.com]</p><p>A big part of the cost of having DC line is the high efficiency and high voltage power converters to transfer from AC-DC-AC, which you need regardless where the location is.</p><p>And no, you can't get arc that's 5 miles long, that would be quite a sight though.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing I can think of is that the AC transmission lines for the 3 different interconnect are n't all at the same location .
There probably is n't a location where all 3 systems meet , and you need to have access to HVAC lines in order to transfer power to and from each system .
So logical location would be somewhere that is closest to all 3 systems.While you 're correct that it 's cheaper to have shorter superconducting DC lines , they do n't seem to be that expensive .
Their website indicates it 's on par with HVAC lines : http : //www.amsc.com/products/applications/utilities/superconductorpipeline.html [ amsc.com ] A big part of the cost of having DC line is the high efficiency and high voltage power converters to transfer from AC-DC-AC , which you need regardless where the location is.And no , you ca n't get arc that 's 5 miles long , that would be quite a sight though .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing I can think of is that the AC transmission lines for the 3 different interconnect aren't all at the same location.
There probably isn't a location where all 3 systems meet, and you need to have access to HVAC lines in order to transfer power to and from each system.
So logical location would be somewhere that is closest to all 3 systems.While you're correct that it's cheaper to have shorter superconducting DC lines, they don't seem to be that expensive.
Their website indicates it's on par with HVAC lines: http://www.amsc.com/products/applications/utilities/superconductorpipeline.html [amsc.com]A big part of the cost of having DC line is the high efficiency and high voltage power converters to transfer from AC-DC-AC, which you need regardless where the location is.And no, you can't get arc that's 5 miles long, that would be quite a sight though.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734231</id>
	<title>Re:What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1255459320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It depends.  Enron managed to game the system by taking certain power plants off line for "maintenace" at inopportune times, causing the various grids they were payed to connect to have to trade more energy across their lines.  This was made infamous in the "Grandma eating dogfood" recording between a couple of Enron energy traders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends .
Enron managed to game the system by taking certain power plants off line for " maintenace " at inopportune times , causing the various grids they were payed to connect to have to trade more energy across their lines .
This was made infamous in the " Grandma eating dogfood " recording between a couple of Enron energy traders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends.
Enron managed to game the system by taking certain power plants off line for "maintenace" at inopportune times, causing the various grids they were payed to connect to have to trade more energy across their lines.
This was made infamous in the "Grandma eating dogfood" recording between a couple of Enron energy traders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734851</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255461960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but 4.13 flux-compensator-driven time travels would be easier to imagine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but 4.13 flux-compensator-driven time travels would be easier to imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but 4.13 flux-compensator-driven time travels would be easier to imagine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734007</id>
	<title>Back to the Future</title>
	<author>Jedi Holocron</author>
	<datestamp>1255458420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't think just one giant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean\_time\_machine" title="wikipedia.org">Flux Capacitor</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p><p>Where are the hoverboards?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't think just one giant Flux Capacitor [ wikipedia.org ] ? Where are the hoverboards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't think just one giant Flux Capacitor [wikipedia.org]?Where are the hoverboards?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733929</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh,  why is that getting flagged as insightful.</p><p>The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure is<br>a) only for the money<br>b) going to ruin the planet<br>c) a target for terrorists<br>d) too late</p><p>is getting really old.</p><p>The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.  Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.  If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.</p><p>BTW,  knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , why is that getting flagged as insightful.The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure isa ) only for the moneyb ) going to ruin the planetc ) a target for terroristsd ) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent .
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what .
If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.BTW , knocking this section out does n't take all 3 grids down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh,  why is that getting flagged as insightful.The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure isa) only for the moneyb) going to ruin the planetc) a target for terroristsd) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.
If you want to curl up in a little ball because the terrorists might get you knock yourself out.BTW,  knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734087</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1255458780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The three power grids are out of phase with each other. Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?</p></div><p>Correct.   From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>multiple power transmission lines from each of the Interconnections will feed power into and out of the Tres Amigas SuperStation through multiple AC/DC converters, each connected by DC superconductor cables.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The superconducting material is required because they are using an AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion.  It's very difficult to transmit that much power using direct current without a superconductor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other .
Are they doing a AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC conversion ? Correct .
From TFA : multiple power transmission lines from each of the Interconnections will feed power into and out of the Tres Amigas SuperStation through multiple AC/DC converters , each connected by DC superconductor cables .
The superconducting material is required because they are using an AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC conversion .
It 's very difficult to transmit that much power using direct current without a superconductor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.
Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?Correct.
From TFA:multiple power transmission lines from each of the Interconnections will feed power into and out of the Tres Amigas SuperStation through multiple AC/DC converters, each connected by DC superconductor cables.
The superconducting material is required because they are using an AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion.
It's very difficult to transmit that much power using direct current without a superconductor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733725</id>
	<title>blackouts</title>
	<author>Spazmania</author>
	<datestamp>1255457340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Cause it's not enough to black out just the northeast during a cascade failure; we have to black out all of conus at the same time.</p><p>You're not safe just because your state is an energy exporter. Just like a sudden spike in demand, a sudden huge drop in demand forces generating plants into emergency-safe mode, shutting them down. You're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Cause it 's not enough to black out just the northeast during a cascade failure ; we have to black out all of conus at the same time.You 're not safe just because your state is an energy exporter .
Just like a sudden spike in demand , a sudden huge drop in demand forces generating plants into emergency-safe mode , shutting them down .
You 're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Cause it's not enough to black out just the northeast during a cascade failure; we have to black out all of conus at the same time.You're not safe just because your state is an energy exporter.
Just like a sudden spike in demand, a sudden huge drop in demand forces generating plants into emergency-safe mode, shutting them down.
You're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733633</id>
	<title>Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only hope this could begin to revitalize that area of the country. While I'm not a native, I drove through there a while back and it was terribly, terribly depressing. Run-down houses and empty shops in lots of towns, not a pretty sight.</p><p>Any native New Mexicans who can give us the low-down?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only hope this could begin to revitalize that area of the country .
While I 'm not a native , I drove through there a while back and it was terribly , terribly depressing .
Run-down houses and empty shops in lots of towns , not a pretty sight.Any native New Mexicans who can give us the low-down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only hope this could begin to revitalize that area of the country.
While I'm not a native, I drove through there a while back and it was terribly, terribly depressing.
Run-down houses and empty shops in lots of towns, not a pretty sight.Any native New Mexicans who can give us the low-down?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29742249</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>smallfries</author>
	<datestamp>1255514340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea that any improvement in infrastructure is only for the money is not even a bad thing. I would want infrastructure improvements to save money for the simple reason that we use money as a proxy for resources, and if somebody is going to expend huge amounts of resources on upgrading something then I want it to be more efficient as a result. Of course I would treat safety as a given in any design (that is everything has to meet safety constraints to even be considered by cost effectiveness).</p><p>One disadvantage of seeing markets in everything is that you become aware of the holes. (Sssh don't tell the rabid libertarians on slashdot but markets are not perfect allocators of resources). So while you are correct in that knocking out this section doesn't *currently* take all three grids down I would expect that to remain the case. The idea of connecting the three grids is to increase the size of the market-place - in particular resources that are only available part-time can be sold to a wider market to ensure 100\% usage during those times.</p><p>The problem is that redundancy will be reduced by normal market operations. It's not in my local interest to leave this power station here in Texas idling so that the grid has redundancy. If I'm not getting paid I'll shut it down. In the three smaller markets this wouldn't have happened because I wasn't competing with distant supplies. But once it has happened, if you shut down the interconnect then demand will exceed supply in my area where before it would not. Hence knocking out that section will take the three grids down once market conditions have adapted to expect it being there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea that any improvement in infrastructure is only for the money is not even a bad thing .
I would want infrastructure improvements to save money for the simple reason that we use money as a proxy for resources , and if somebody is going to expend huge amounts of resources on upgrading something then I want it to be more efficient as a result .
Of course I would treat safety as a given in any design ( that is everything has to meet safety constraints to even be considered by cost effectiveness ) .One disadvantage of seeing markets in everything is that you become aware of the holes .
( Sssh do n't tell the rabid libertarians on slashdot but markets are not perfect allocators of resources ) .
So while you are correct in that knocking out this section does n't * currently * take all three grids down I would expect that to remain the case .
The idea of connecting the three grids is to increase the size of the market-place - in particular resources that are only available part-time can be sold to a wider market to ensure 100 \ % usage during those times.The problem is that redundancy will be reduced by normal market operations .
It 's not in my local interest to leave this power station here in Texas idling so that the grid has redundancy .
If I 'm not getting paid I 'll shut it down .
In the three smaller markets this would n't have happened because I was n't competing with distant supplies .
But once it has happened , if you shut down the interconnect then demand will exceed supply in my area where before it would not .
Hence knocking out that section will take the three grids down once market conditions have adapted to expect it being there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea that any improvement in infrastructure is only for the money is not even a bad thing.
I would want infrastructure improvements to save money for the simple reason that we use money as a proxy for resources, and if somebody is going to expend huge amounts of resources on upgrading something then I want it to be more efficient as a result.
Of course I would treat safety as a given in any design (that is everything has to meet safety constraints to even be considered by cost effectiveness).One disadvantage of seeing markets in everything is that you become aware of the holes.
(Sssh don't tell the rabid libertarians on slashdot but markets are not perfect allocators of resources).
So while you are correct in that knocking out this section doesn't *currently* take all three grids down I would expect that to remain the case.
The idea of connecting the three grids is to increase the size of the market-place - in particular resources that are only available part-time can be sold to a wider market to ensure 100\% usage during those times.The problem is that redundancy will be reduced by normal market operations.
It's not in my local interest to leave this power station here in Texas idling so that the grid has redundancy.
If I'm not getting paid I'll shut it down.
In the three smaller markets this wouldn't have happened because I wasn't competing with distant supplies.
But once it has happened, if you shut down the interconnect then demand will exceed supply in my area where before it would not.
Hence knocking out that section will take the three grids down once market conditions have adapted to expect it being there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734097</id>
	<title>Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article mentions a triangle of 8.5Miles per side, but not being used to dealing with large amounts of power.. (pretty much anything over 120V is over my head).. why do the superconducting pipes have to be that long?</p><p>Wouldn't it be cheaper to have the connections closer? or at that level of power, could there really be arc's 5 miles long?  (or are there other issues related to crazy sine wave stuff?)</p><p>And really, I hope someday they decide to build one somewhere else too, like Colorado, or even further north.  Then at least there are multiple points of failure.. (and if anyone gave a crap about texas, they would be invited into one of the other grids already, but obviously they think they are special...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions a triangle of 8.5Miles per side , but not being used to dealing with large amounts of power.. ( pretty much anything over 120V is over my head ) .. why do the superconducting pipes have to be that long ? Would n't it be cheaper to have the connections closer ?
or at that level of power , could there really be arc 's 5 miles long ?
( or are there other issues related to crazy sine wave stuff ?
) And really , I hope someday they decide to build one somewhere else too , like Colorado , or even further north .
Then at least there are multiple points of failure.. ( and if anyone gave a crap about texas , they would be invited into one of the other grids already , but obviously they think they are special... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions a triangle of 8.5Miles per side, but not being used to dealing with large amounts of power.. (pretty much anything over 120V is over my head).. why do the superconducting pipes have to be that long?Wouldn't it be cheaper to have the connections closer?
or at that level of power, could there really be arc's 5 miles long?
(or are there other issues related to crazy sine wave stuff?
)And really, I hope someday they decide to build one somewhere else too, like Colorado, or even further north.
Then at least there are multiple points of failure.. (and if anyone gave a crap about texas, they would be invited into one of the other grids already, but obviously they think they are special...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734027</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1255458480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, Its AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC. SuperConducting Cable always run DC. If you run
alternating current through a superconductor, you'll get resistance (actually
impendence) again.
<p>
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</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/SuperConductors/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">SuperConductor</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Its AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC .
SuperConducting Cable always run DC .
If you run alternating current through a superconductor , you 'll get resistance ( actually impendence ) again .
--- SuperConductor [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Its AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC.
SuperConducting Cable always run DC.
If you run
alternating current through a superconductor, you'll get resistance (actually
impendence) again.
---

SuperConductor [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735553</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1255465440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>0=1+e^i(Alt something);</p></div><p>You could just use degrees and say 0=1+e^180i;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>0 = 1 + e ^ i ( Alt something ) ; You could just use degrees and say 0 = 1 + e ^ 180i ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>0=1+e^i(Alt something);You could just use degrees and say 0=1+e^180i;
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733657</id>
	<title>I know amiga !</title>
	<author>Atreide</author>
	<datestamp>1255456980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure Amiga still rocks !</p><p>Who will build an Atari ST grid ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure Amiga still rocks ! Who will build an Atari ST grid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure Amiga still rocks !Who will build an Atari ST grid ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737433</id>
	<title>Dawn of a new age</title>
	<author>mollog</author>
	<datestamp>1255429440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like this is the dawn of a new age in power transmission. The implications are many and they are huge. A lot of energy is lost in transmission, and a lot of energy was not exploited because distance prohibited cost-effective transmission.<br> <br>

It will take time and experience to work out the details of this technology, but its arrival is pretty important. The impact will feel evolutionary because it will necessarily be implemented in a gradual manner as the technology matures, but the consequences will be revolutionary.<br> <br>

And this is one of the things that the United States can only do locally. Not much of this will be imported. And new sources of energy will be developed to meet the potential markets opened up by superconductor transmission. Mexico, for example, can develop solar generation all along the border to meet American market needs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like this is the dawn of a new age in power transmission .
The implications are many and they are huge .
A lot of energy is lost in transmission , and a lot of energy was not exploited because distance prohibited cost-effective transmission .
It will take time and experience to work out the details of this technology , but its arrival is pretty important .
The impact will feel evolutionary because it will necessarily be implemented in a gradual manner as the technology matures , but the consequences will be revolutionary .
And this is one of the things that the United States can only do locally .
Not much of this will be imported .
And new sources of energy will be developed to meet the potential markets opened up by superconductor transmission .
Mexico , for example , can develop solar generation all along the border to meet American market needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like this is the dawn of a new age in power transmission.
The implications are many and they are huge.
A lot of energy is lost in transmission, and a lot of energy was not exploited because distance prohibited cost-effective transmission.
It will take time and experience to work out the details of this technology, but its arrival is pretty important.
The impact will feel evolutionary because it will necessarily be implemented in a gradual manner as the technology matures, but the consequences will be revolutionary.
And this is one of the things that the United States can only do locally.
Not much of this will be imported.
And new sources of energy will be developed to meet the potential markets opened up by superconductor transmission.
Mexico, for example, can develop solar generation all along the border to meet American market needs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735141</id>
	<title>Dur-head...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1255463640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Central Point of Failure.</p><p>Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.</p></div><p>Meh.  I think they'd get more mileage out of attacking a target people really care about.</p><p>I mean, the reason the attacks in 2001 were effective was because human lives were involved - and the whole thing played out such that we got to watch events unfold on TV.  Taking out a piece of infrastructure wouldn't get the same reaction.  Even if people eventually died from not having power, the reaction would be more like "why the hell haven't we fixed this already?  What's wrong with our leaders?" rather than the kind of trauma we got from the towers collapsing.</p><p>If we were involved in a full-scale war, then infrastructure targets would be worthwhile for our enemies to hit, because each target destroyed would damage our ability to wage war...  and because a full-scale assault would be able to take out enough of them to cause some real damage.  But losing a chunk of the power grid would not be <em>hugely</em> disruptive, and it would be repaired.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists : we have a new target to aim for.Meh .
I think they 'd get more mileage out of attacking a target people really care about.I mean , the reason the attacks in 2001 were effective was because human lives were involved - and the whole thing played out such that we got to watch events unfold on TV .
Taking out a piece of infrastructure would n't get the same reaction .
Even if people eventually died from not having power , the reaction would be more like " why the hell have n't we fixed this already ?
What 's wrong with our leaders ?
" rather than the kind of trauma we got from the towers collapsing.If we were involved in a full-scale war , then infrastructure targets would be worthwhile for our enemies to hit , because each target destroyed would damage our ability to wage war... and because a full-scale assault would be able to take out enough of them to cause some real damage .
But losing a chunk of the power grid would not be hugely disruptive , and it would be repaired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.Meh.
I think they'd get more mileage out of attacking a target people really care about.I mean, the reason the attacks in 2001 were effective was because human lives were involved - and the whole thing played out such that we got to watch events unfold on TV.
Taking out a piece of infrastructure wouldn't get the same reaction.
Even if people eventually died from not having power, the reaction would be more like "why the hell haven't we fixed this already?
What's wrong with our leaders?
" rather than the kind of trauma we got from the towers collapsing.If we were involved in a full-scale war, then infrastructure targets would be worthwhile for our enemies to hit, because each target destroyed would damage our ability to wage war...  and because a full-scale assault would be able to take out enough of them to cause some real damage.
But losing a chunk of the power grid would not be hugely disruptive, and it would be repaired.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735959</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>Ironchew</author>
	<datestamp>1255467120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've lived in the Albuquerque area my whole life, and most buildings aren't empty or run down.  I'd imagine that run-down sections of the state are more visible due to the fact that you can see for miles around driving down the highway.  There's also quite an extreme difference between some of the affluence in the urban areas and the poverty in the reservations (New Mexico has a lot of reservations).  The environment out here is delicate and the economic cycle is expected; aquifers dry up, ore is harder to get to, local farming is as hard as it has ever been up against corporate farming.  Other than that, I don't know how others perceive us.</p><p>We're a part of the United States and most of us do speak English! [/humor]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lived in the Albuquerque area my whole life , and most buildings are n't empty or run down .
I 'd imagine that run-down sections of the state are more visible due to the fact that you can see for miles around driving down the highway .
There 's also quite an extreme difference between some of the affluence in the urban areas and the poverty in the reservations ( New Mexico has a lot of reservations ) .
The environment out here is delicate and the economic cycle is expected ; aquifers dry up , ore is harder to get to , local farming is as hard as it has ever been up against corporate farming .
Other than that , I do n't know how others perceive us.We 're a part of the United States and most of us do speak English !
[ /humor ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lived in the Albuquerque area my whole life, and most buildings aren't empty or run down.
I'd imagine that run-down sections of the state are more visible due to the fact that you can see for miles around driving down the highway.
There's also quite an extreme difference between some of the affluence in the urban areas and the poverty in the reservations (New Mexico has a lot of reservations).
The environment out here is delicate and the economic cycle is expected; aquifers dry up, ore is harder to get to, local farming is as hard as it has ever been up against corporate farming.
Other than that, I don't know how others perceive us.We're a part of the United States and most of us do speak English!
[/humor]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29742087</id>
	<title>Re:I know amiga !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255512420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't a hypercube of Atari TTs work better?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't a hypercube of Atari TTs work better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't a hypercube of Atari TTs work better?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734217</id>
	<title>Where?</title>
	<author>pgn674</author>
	<datestamp>1255459320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those who aren't sure where that triangle is, a <a href="http://www.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s\_d&amp;saddr=Roswell,+NM&amp;daddr=Albuquerque,+NM+to:Amarillo,+TX+to:Roswell,+NM&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;mra=ls&amp;sll=34.33386,-104.24155&amp;sspn=4.825581,7.064209&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;z=7" title="google.com">map</a> [google.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who are n't sure where that triangle is , a map [ google.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who aren't sure where that triangle is, a map [google.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734561</id>
	<title>Tom Jones' Amarillo maybe?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255460700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Is this the way to Amarillo?<br>Ev'ry night I've been huggin' my pillow<br>Dreamin' dreams of Amarillo<br>And sweet Marie who waits for me"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Is this the way to Amarillo ? Ev'ry night I 've been huggin ' my pillowDreamin ' dreams of AmarilloAnd sweet Marie who waits for me "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Is this the way to Amarillo?Ev'ry night I've been huggin' my pillowDreamin' dreams of AmarilloAnd sweet Marie who waits for me"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733831</id>
	<title>A lot of power</title>
	<author>siliconwafer</author>
	<datestamp>1255457760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity.</i></p><p>5GW is a lot of power; to put that into perspective, the entire state of New York uses about 30GW at peak load on a hot summer day; the great power of Niagara Falls gives us about 5GW (Canadian + US generators).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity.5GW is a lot of power ; to put that into perspective , the entire state of New York uses about 30GW at peak load on a hot summer day ; the great power of Niagara Falls gives us about 5GW ( Canadian + US generators ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Each leg of the triangle can carry 5GW of electricity.5GW is a lot of power; to put that into perspective, the entire state of New York uses about 30GW at peak load on a hot summer day; the great power of Niagara Falls gives us about 5GW (Canadian + US generators).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739313</id>
	<title>Re:And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>bertok</author>
	<datestamp>1255439100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.</p></div><p>I can't imagine how that could possibly be true. Sodium is a poor conductor, several times worse than copper. The only three conductors in common industrial use are copper, aluminium where weight matters, or silver where the best possible conductivity is required.</p><p>You must have confused the liquid sodium <i>cooling</i> used in some nuclear reactors with the electrical generation going on at those plants. The sodium itself is only used to transport heat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , it 's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil , due to the fact that sodium has a very , very high conductance at normal temperatures.I ca n't imagine how that could possibly be true .
Sodium is a poor conductor , several times worse than copper .
The only three conductors in common industrial use are copper , aluminium where weight matters , or silver where the best possible conductivity is required.You must have confused the liquid sodium cooling used in some nuclear reactors with the electrical generation going on at those plants .
The sodium itself is only used to transport heat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.I can't imagine how that could possibly be true.
Sodium is a poor conductor, several times worse than copper.
The only three conductors in common industrial use are copper, aluminium where weight matters, or silver where the best possible conductivity is required.You must have confused the liquid sodium cooling used in some nuclear reactors with the electrical generation going on at those plants.
The sodium itself is only used to transport heat.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734743</id>
	<title>Our Roswell neighbors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255461540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course someone thought this through! The superconducting pipe leads directly to a hangar at Roswell. Meet your new electrical overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course someone thought this through !
The superconducting pipe leads directly to a hangar at Roswell .
Meet your new electrical overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course someone thought this through!
The superconducting pipe leads directly to a hangar at Roswell.
Meet your new electrical overlords.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29752631</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255533000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assemble an away team. Make it so. Oh wait, I forgot, I'm an Anonymous Coward. Nevermind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assemble an away team .
Make it so .
Oh wait , I forgot , I 'm an Anonymous Coward .
Nevermind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assemble an away team.
Make it so.
Oh wait, I forgot, I'm an Anonymous Coward.
Nevermind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735183</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1255463820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why I come to slashdot!  A technical article with the right units!  5 GW of electricity.  Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW.  Now, that's useful!</p></div><p>They got the electrical units right, but I think they messed up on the units of area.  I mean, a <em>triangle</em> with 22.5 <em>square</em> miles in it?  How are you gonna fill a triangle with squares?  You need <em>triangle</em> miles...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I come to slashdot !
A technical article with the right units !
5 GW of electricity .
Not 100,000 volts of electricity , not 50,000 Amps of electricity , but 5 GW .
Now , that 's useful ! They got the electrical units right , but I think they messed up on the units of area .
I mean , a triangle with 22.5 square miles in it ?
How are you gon na fill a triangle with squares ?
You need triangle miles.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I come to slashdot!
A technical article with the right units!
5 GW of electricity.
Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW.
Now, that's useful!They got the electrical units right, but I think they messed up on the units of area.
I mean, a triangle with 22.5 square miles in it?
How are you gonna fill a triangle with squares?
You need triangle miles...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734767</id>
	<title>Technical questions</title>
	<author>DrVomact</author>
	<datestamp>1255461600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure is
a) only for the money
b) going to ruin the planet
c) a target for terrorists
d) too late</p><p>is getting really old.</p><p>The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.  Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>
How about this criticism: poorly described technology from a dubious source.</p><p>
First of all, I don't think this interconnect is intended to prevent one of the three major grids going down...if that were to happen, you'd want to <em>disconnect</em> the other two pronto so they don't go down with it. This is being sold as a way to efficiently move cheap electricity to places that need it and are willing to buy it. The article refers to it as a "renewable energy market hub". That's fine, in principle (and who dares oppose anything with the word "renewable" in it?).</p><p>
But how does it work? There's generalities about how electrical transmissions and interconnects between the major power grids work, but nothing really about the superconducting cable, and why it's better than regular cable. That's not too surprising, if you consider that this is "financial news" aimed at getting people to buy stock in this exciting new venture. What's more disturbing is that when you follow the link to the company that's supposed to be doing this wonderful thing&mdash;American Superconductor&mdash;you don't get any better answers to these questions.
</p><p>
You do realize that we're not talking about <em>room temperature</em> superconductors here, right? "High temperature superconductors" is a relative term. Unless they have indeed invented something totally new and kept it totally secret, what we're talking about is a <strong>pipeline carrying liquid nitrogen</strong> with some superconducting tape wrapped around it. (See, for example, <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=6&amp;ved=0CBwQFjAF&amp;url=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.ultera.net\%2Fdocuments\%2FUltera\%2520-\%2520HTS\%2520white\%2520paper.pdf&amp;ei=AbfUSvPWLYrSNdXpiZQD&amp;usg=AFQjCNEC9Rm\_ZMGAqVfqFuVZoOnTHq7zrg" title="google.com">this more informative article from another company selling the same thing</a> [google.com]. (PDF!)
</p><p>
One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor is consumed by the coolant system. The article doesn't say exactly how long these superconducting conduits will be, and it seems you still need AC/DC/AC conversion, so what's the real gain over using regular cables, especially if we're only talking a mile or so?</p><p>
It's also not clear just who is paying for this project. Is it the State of Oklahoma? The US Government (in "stimulation" mode)? Is it a private venture? Is it really a done and financed deal? This is a most unsatisfactory article, and I think some cynicism is warranted.</p><p>
<strong>Disclaimer</strong>: The fact that I am a Texan and intend to give up my megawatts only if you pry them from my cold, dead fingers has not in the least influenced my position on this matter.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure is a ) only for the money b ) going to ruin the planet c ) a target for terrorists d ) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent .
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what .
.. . How about this criticism : poorly described technology from a dubious source .
First of all , I do n't think this interconnect is intended to prevent one of the three major grids going down...if that were to happen , you 'd want to disconnect the other two pronto so they do n't go down with it .
This is being sold as a way to efficiently move cheap electricity to places that need it and are willing to buy it .
The article refers to it as a " renewable energy market hub " .
That 's fine , in principle ( and who dares oppose anything with the word " renewable " in it ? ) .
But how does it work ?
There 's generalities about how electrical transmissions and interconnects between the major power grids work , but nothing really about the superconducting cable , and why it 's better than regular cable .
That 's not too surprising , if you consider that this is " financial news " aimed at getting people to buy stock in this exciting new venture .
What 's more disturbing is that when you follow the link to the company that 's supposed to be doing this wonderful thing    American Superconductor    you do n't get any better answers to these questions .
You do realize that we 're not talking about room temperature superconductors here , right ?
" High temperature superconductors " is a relative term .
Unless they have indeed invented something totally new and kept it totally secret , what we 're talking about is a pipeline carrying liquid nitrogen with some superconducting tape wrapped around it .
( See , for example , this more informative article from another company selling the same thing [ google.com ] .
( PDF ! ) One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor is consumed by the coolant system .
The article does n't say exactly how long these superconducting conduits will be , and it seems you still need AC/DC/AC conversion , so what 's the real gain over using regular cables , especially if we 're only talking a mile or so ?
It 's also not clear just who is paying for this project .
Is it the State of Oklahoma ?
The US Government ( in " stimulation " mode ) ?
Is it a private venture ?
Is it really a done and financed deal ?
This is a most unsatisfactory article , and I think some cynicism is warranted .
Disclaimer : The fact that I am a Texan and intend to give up my megawatts only if you pry them from my cold , dead fingers has not in the least influenced my position on this matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...The current cynicism that any improvement in infrastructure is
a) only for the money
b) going to ruin the planet
c) a target for terrorists
d) too lateis getting really old.The proposal allows for better distribution of power generation across the continent.
Even if it was a target for terrorism so what.
...
How about this criticism: poorly described technology from a dubious source.
First of all, I don't think this interconnect is intended to prevent one of the three major grids going down...if that were to happen, you'd want to disconnect the other two pronto so they don't go down with it.
This is being sold as a way to efficiently move cheap electricity to places that need it and are willing to buy it.
The article refers to it as a "renewable energy market hub".
That's fine, in principle (and who dares oppose anything with the word "renewable" in it?).
But how does it work?
There's generalities about how electrical transmissions and interconnects between the major power grids work, but nothing really about the superconducting cable, and why it's better than regular cable.
That's not too surprising, if you consider that this is "financial news" aimed at getting people to buy stock in this exciting new venture.
What's more disturbing is that when you follow the link to the company that's supposed to be doing this wonderful thing—American Superconductor—you don't get any better answers to these questions.
You do realize that we're not talking about room temperature superconductors here, right?
"High temperature superconductors" is a relative term.
Unless they have indeed invented something totally new and kept it totally secret, what we're talking about is a pipeline carrying liquid nitrogen with some superconducting tape wrapped around it.
(See, for example, this more informative article from another company selling the same thing [google.com].
(PDF!)

One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor is consumed by the coolant system.
The article doesn't say exactly how long these superconducting conduits will be, and it seems you still need AC/DC/AC conversion, so what's the real gain over using regular cables, especially if we're only talking a mile or so?
It's also not clear just who is paying for this project.
Is it the State of Oklahoma?
The US Government (in "stimulation" mode)?
Is it a private venture?
Is it really a done and financed deal?
This is a most unsatisfactory article, and I think some cynicism is warranted.
Disclaimer: The fact that I am a Texan and intend to give up my megawatts only if you pry them from my cold, dead fingers has not in the least influenced my position on this matter.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733639</id>
	<title>Where?</title>
	<author>Eevee</author>
	<datestamp>1255456980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Amarillo (Do you know the way?)</p></div></blockquote><p>Don't you mean <a href="http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/burt+bacharach/do+you+know+the+way+to+san+jose\_20025964.html" title="lyricsfreak.com">San Jose</a> [lyricsfreak.com]?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Amarillo ( Do you know the way ?
) Do n't you mean San Jose [ lyricsfreak.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Amarillo (Do you know the way?
)Don't you mean San Jose [lyricsfreak.com]?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734143</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>evanbd</author>
	<datestamp>1255458960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.  Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?  It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.</p></div><p>Yes, they are.  The superconducting cables are running high-voltage DC.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other .
Are they doing a AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC conversion ?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.Yes , they are .
The superconducting cables are running high-voltage DC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.
Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.Yes, they are.
The superconducting cables are running high-voltage DC.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733649</id>
	<title>Tres Amiga</title>
	<author>The Yuckinator</author>
	<datestamp>1255456980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lucky Day: Wherever there is injustice, you will find us.<br>Ned Nederlander: Wherever there is suffering, we'll be there.<br>Dusty Bottoms: Wherever liberty is threatened, you will find...<br>Lucky Day, Ned Nederlander, Dusty Bottoms: The Three Amigos!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky Day : Wherever there is injustice , you will find us.Ned Nederlander : Wherever there is suffering , we 'll be there.Dusty Bottoms : Wherever liberty is threatened , you will find...Lucky Day , Ned Nederlander , Dusty Bottoms : The Three Amigos !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky Day: Wherever there is injustice, you will find us.Ned Nederlander: Wherever there is suffering, we'll be there.Dusty Bottoms: Wherever liberty is threatened, you will find...Lucky Day, Ned Nederlander, Dusty Bottoms: The Three Amigos!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735611</id>
	<title>Re:isnt this going backwards?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1255465620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To add to the previous postings...</p><p>Power can also rarely be generated where it is used.  Solar/wind/tidal sources can only be used where you have strong sunlight, reliable winds, or access to the ocean.  And land useful for renewable sources is at a severe premium in a lot of areas.  Microgeneration is great, don't get me wrong, but it's not going to be an optimal solution in a lot of cases.  Putting a solar panel on the roof of my house in Maine isn't terribly useful.  First, I live at a fairly high latitude, and second, I live in a pine forest and maybe get 6 hours of sunlight per day (maximum, in the height of summer) on my roof.  That solar cell could arguably generate twice or three times the amount of power in an open field somewhere significantly south of me, so there's little point in wasting solar panels by putting one on my roof.</p><p>Energy, and especially renewable energy, will by its nature have to cover some distance, and with the distance comes loss (through resistance).  Superconductors change some of that, by offering a way to move electricity significant distances with lower losses.</p><p>So in addition to the sporadic generation of almost all renewable sources (even tidal forces have slack periods several times a day) you also have the geographic diversity of generation technologies forcing us to think about moving power around more efficiently.  Renewables need the freedom to be used at 100\% of their capacity when they are available, but to have some sort of backup plan when they are not.  The larger the combined grid, the more we can play the averages and ensure that someone is using all the renewables we can generate and not wasting their capacity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To add to the previous postings...Power can also rarely be generated where it is used .
Solar/wind/tidal sources can only be used where you have strong sunlight , reliable winds , or access to the ocean .
And land useful for renewable sources is at a severe premium in a lot of areas .
Microgeneration is great , do n't get me wrong , but it 's not going to be an optimal solution in a lot of cases .
Putting a solar panel on the roof of my house in Maine is n't terribly useful .
First , I live at a fairly high latitude , and second , I live in a pine forest and maybe get 6 hours of sunlight per day ( maximum , in the height of summer ) on my roof .
That solar cell could arguably generate twice or three times the amount of power in an open field somewhere significantly south of me , so there 's little point in wasting solar panels by putting one on my roof.Energy , and especially renewable energy , will by its nature have to cover some distance , and with the distance comes loss ( through resistance ) .
Superconductors change some of that , by offering a way to move electricity significant distances with lower losses.So in addition to the sporadic generation of almost all renewable sources ( even tidal forces have slack periods several times a day ) you also have the geographic diversity of generation technologies forcing us to think about moving power around more efficiently .
Renewables need the freedom to be used at 100 \ % of their capacity when they are available , but to have some sort of backup plan when they are not .
The larger the combined grid , the more we can play the averages and ensure that someone is using all the renewables we can generate and not wasting their capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To add to the previous postings...Power can also rarely be generated where it is used.
Solar/wind/tidal sources can only be used where you have strong sunlight, reliable winds, or access to the ocean.
And land useful for renewable sources is at a severe premium in a lot of areas.
Microgeneration is great, don't get me wrong, but it's not going to be an optimal solution in a lot of cases.
Putting a solar panel on the roof of my house in Maine isn't terribly useful.
First, I live at a fairly high latitude, and second, I live in a pine forest and maybe get 6 hours of sunlight per day (maximum, in the height of summer) on my roof.
That solar cell could arguably generate twice or three times the amount of power in an open field somewhere significantly south of me, so there's little point in wasting solar panels by putting one on my roof.Energy, and especially renewable energy, will by its nature have to cover some distance, and with the distance comes loss (through resistance).
Superconductors change some of that, by offering a way to move electricity significant distances with lower losses.So in addition to the sporadic generation of almost all renewable sources (even tidal forces have slack periods several times a day) you also have the geographic diversity of generation technologies forcing us to think about moving power around more efficiently.
Renewables need the freedom to be used at 100\% of their capacity when they are available, but to have some sort of backup plan when they are not.
The larger the combined grid, the more we can play the averages and ensure that someone is using all the renewables we can generate and not wasting their capacity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29740141</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>budgenator</author>
	<datestamp>1255445940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No bullshit I was just about to hit the submit button an a slashdot post when the power went out, I thought "shit I knew I should have bought that UPS" but what had happened was the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast\_Blackout\_of\_2003" title="wikipedia.org">Northeast Blackout of 2003</a> [wikipedia.org]. I was right on the western edge of it, driving 12 miles west everything had power; in short 55,000,000 people without electricity for 3 days, the sky was actually dark at night and I was disappointed when the power came back on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No bullshit I was just about to hit the submit button an a slashdot post when the power went out , I thought " shit I knew I should have bought that UPS " but what had happened was the Northeast Blackout of 2003 [ wikipedia.org ] .
I was right on the western edge of it , driving 12 miles west everything had power ; in short 55,000,000 people without electricity for 3 days , the sky was actually dark at night and I was disappointed when the power came back on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No bullshit I was just about to hit the submit button an a slashdot post when the power went out, I thought "shit I knew I should have bought that UPS" but what had happened was the Northeast Blackout of 2003 [wikipedia.org].
I was right on the western edge of it, driving 12 miles west everything had power; in short 55,000,000 people without electricity for 3 days, the sky was actually dark at night and I was disappointed when the power came back on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734959</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255462560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Speaking for Texas, ya'll might have blackouts. We'll cut you off long before then.
<br>
<br>
In all seriousness though, I went to a meeting a few years back (shortly after moving to Texas, in fact) that included a representative from Reliant Energy (one of the big Texas power companies). The meeting was over Y2K and what sort of a threat it posed (read: even back then they knew it was all media hype), but one thing stuck out to me: the Reliant guy said that if things got bad for some reason and the rest of the country was blacking out, Texas wouldn't hesitate to cut the lines to the rest of the country since the Texas power grid is self-sufficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking for Texas , ya 'll might have blackouts .
We 'll cut you off long before then .
In all seriousness though , I went to a meeting a few years back ( shortly after moving to Texas , in fact ) that included a representative from Reliant Energy ( one of the big Texas power companies ) .
The meeting was over Y2K and what sort of a threat it posed ( read : even back then they knew it was all media hype ) , but one thing stuck out to me : the Reliant guy said that if things got bad for some reason and the rest of the country was blacking out , Texas would n't hesitate to cut the lines to the rest of the country since the Texas power grid is self-sufficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking for Texas, ya'll might have blackouts.
We'll cut you off long before then.
In all seriousness though, I went to a meeting a few years back (shortly after moving to Texas, in fact) that included a representative from Reliant Energy (one of the big Texas power companies).
The meeting was over Y2K and what sort of a threat it posed (read: even back then they knew it was all media hype), but one thing stuck out to me: the Reliant guy said that if things got bad for some reason and the rest of the country was blacking out, Texas wouldn't hesitate to cut the lines to the rest of the country since the Texas power grid is self-sufficient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29741033</id>
	<title>Re:A lot of power</title>
	<author>ap7</author>
	<datestamp>1255453980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To put that into perspective, the entire state of Maharashtra in India (population approx 150 million), uses somewhere arond 15 gigawatts of power on a hot summer day. This includes the city of Mumbai, known as the financial capital of India.</p><p>Ofcourse, the power plants in the state are rarely able to supply above 11 gigawatts, so load shedding is conducted, some areas switched off for several hours daily to prevent taking the entire grid down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To put that into perspective , the entire state of Maharashtra in India ( population approx 150 million ) , uses somewhere arond 15 gigawatts of power on a hot summer day .
This includes the city of Mumbai , known as the financial capital of India.Ofcourse , the power plants in the state are rarely able to supply above 11 gigawatts , so load shedding is conducted , some areas switched off for several hours daily to prevent taking the entire grid down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To put that into perspective, the entire state of Maharashtra in India (population approx 150 million), uses somewhere arond 15 gigawatts of power on a hot summer day.
This includes the city of Mumbai, known as the financial capital of India.Ofcourse, the power plants in the state are rarely able to supply above 11 gigawatts, so load shedding is conducted, some areas switched off for several hours daily to prevent taking the entire grid down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733983</id>
	<title>What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>ssbssb</author>
	<datestamp>1255458360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Won't increasing efficiency lower energy prices? Am I right in thinking that there really isn't any incentive for power companies to do this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't increasing efficiency lower energy prices ?
Am I right in thinking that there really is n't any incentive for power companies to do this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't increasing efficiency lower energy prices?
Am I right in thinking that there really isn't any incentive for power companies to do this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734277</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>DesertJazz</author>
	<datestamp>1255459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'm not exactly sure where they're putting that in, but it sounds like you're discussing a lot of the reservation areas.  That is still unlikely to improve.  Since, in most of the tribes, you're not allowed to buy the property (just rent it for a dollar/100years) people aren't willing to build and repair on buildings that they don't even technically own.  It would be almost like throwing away money at that point for them.  It sounds like a pretty rural part of the state where they're putting this though, may not even be reservation land involved here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not exactly sure where they 're putting that in , but it sounds like you 're discussing a lot of the reservation areas .
That is still unlikely to improve .
Since , in most of the tribes , you 're not allowed to buy the property ( just rent it for a dollar/100years ) people are n't willing to build and repair on buildings that they do n't even technically own .
It would be almost like throwing away money at that point for them .
It sounds like a pretty rural part of the state where they 're putting this though , may not even be reservation land involved here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not exactly sure where they're putting that in, but it sounds like you're discussing a lot of the reservation areas.
That is still unlikely to improve.
Since, in most of the tribes, you're not allowed to buy the property (just rent it for a dollar/100years) people aren't willing to build and repair on buildings that they don't even technically own.
It would be almost like throwing away money at that point for them.
It sounds like a pretty rural part of the state where they're putting this though, may not even be reservation land involved here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735243</id>
	<title>Sodium was used because it's CHEAP and LIGHT...</title>
	<author>Ellis D. Tripp</author>
	<datestamp>1255464060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>, not because of spectacular electrical properties. The obvious problem with moisture reactivity, as well as the less obvious problem of making secure electrical connections to such a soft material greatly limited its use, however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>, not because of spectacular electrical properties .
The obvious problem with moisture reactivity , as well as the less obvious problem of making secure electrical connections to such a soft material greatly limited its use , however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>, not because of spectacular electrical properties.
The obvious problem with moisture reactivity, as well as the less obvious problem of making secure electrical connections to such a soft material greatly limited its use, however.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739581</id>
	<title>Re:What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1255441500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>It's simpler than that and has benefits on a daily basis.  The big problem in electricity distribution is the peaks.  With different time zones on a grid you can handle the peaks from places where there is far less load.  It also gets your eggs out of one basket, so low rainfall  and other factors become less of a problem and it makes location dependant generation sources (eg. tidal) or time dependant sources (eg. solar thermal) a lot more viable.  There are apparently many headaches from large AC grids that make large north-south grids a losing prospect, but with east-west grids you don't need enormous amounts of generating capacity sitting idle most of the time just to cover the peaks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's simpler than that and has benefits on a daily basis .
The big problem in electricity distribution is the peaks .
With different time zones on a grid you can handle the peaks from places where there is far less load .
It also gets your eggs out of one basket , so low rainfall and other factors become less of a problem and it makes location dependant generation sources ( eg .
tidal ) or time dependant sources ( eg .
solar thermal ) a lot more viable .
There are apparently many headaches from large AC grids that make large north-south grids a losing prospect , but with east-west grids you do n't need enormous amounts of generating capacity sitting idle most of the time just to cover the peaks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's simpler than that and has benefits on a daily basis.
The big problem in electricity distribution is the peaks.
With different time zones on a grid you can handle the peaks from places where there is far less load.
It also gets your eggs out of one basket, so low rainfall  and other factors become less of a problem and it makes location dependant generation sources (eg.
tidal) or time dependant sources (eg.
solar thermal) a lot more viable.
There are apparently many headaches from large AC grids that make large north-south grids a losing prospect, but with east-west grids you don't need enormous amounts of generating capacity sitting idle most of the time just to cover the peaks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733837</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255457760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Central Point of Failure.</p><p>Attention terrorists: we have a new target to aim for.</p></div><p>The USA's infrastructure is full of bottlenecks and chokepoints.<br>Internet/phone/gas/power, airlines, stock markets, highways, warehouses, ports, payment processing, etc etc etc.</p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A23689-2003Jul7?language=printer" title="washingtonpost.com">This article comes to mind</a> [washingtonpost.com]:<br><i>"Classify my dissertation? Crap. Does this mean I have to redo my PhD?" he said. "They're worried about national security. I'm worried about getting my degree." For academics, there always has been the imperative to publish or perish. In Gorman's case, there's a new concern: publish and perish.</i></p><p>He eventually got his PHD and started a GIS company called FortiusOne.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists : we have a new target to aim for.The USA 's infrastructure is full of bottlenecks and chokepoints.Internet/phone/gas/power , airlines , stock markets , highways , warehouses , ports , payment processing , etc etc etc.This article comes to mind [ washingtonpost.com ] : " Classify my dissertation ?
Crap. Does this mean I have to redo my PhD ?
" he said .
" They 're worried about national security .
I 'm worried about getting my degree .
" For academics , there always has been the imperative to publish or perish .
In Gorman 's case , there 's a new concern : publish and perish.He eventually got his PHD and started a GIS company called FortiusOne .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists: we have a new target to aim for.The USA's infrastructure is full of bottlenecks and chokepoints.Internet/phone/gas/power, airlines, stock markets, highways, warehouses, ports, payment processing, etc etc etc.This article comes to mind [washingtonpost.com]:"Classify my dissertation?
Crap. Does this mean I have to redo my PhD?
" he said.
"They're worried about national security.
I'm worried about getting my degree.
" For academics, there always has been the imperative to publish or perish.
In Gorman's case, there's a new concern: publish and perish.He eventually got his PHD and started a GIS company called FortiusOne.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734795</id>
	<title>Re:Uh... Do you know the way...</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1255461720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you never heard <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is\_This\_the\_Way\_to\_Amarillo" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is\_This\_the\_Way\_to\_Amarillo</a> [wikipedia.org] either then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you never heard http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is \ _This \ _the \ _Way \ _to \ _Amarillo [ wikipedia.org ] either then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you never heard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is\_This\_the\_Way\_to\_Amarillo [wikipedia.org] either then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29751089</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255521060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grew up about 3 miles from where this is planned and it is quite nice country.  Lots of ranchers, and now dairies.  You shouldn't worry about BGH anymore, these cows will get their mutations the natural way!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up about 3 miles from where this is planned and it is quite nice country .
Lots of ranchers , and now dairies .
You should n't worry about BGH anymore , these cows will get their mutations the natural way !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up about 3 miles from where this is planned and it is quite nice country.
Lots of ranchers, and now dairies.
You shouldn't worry about BGH anymore, these cows will get their mutations the natural way!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736955</id>
	<title>That's awesome...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1255427880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, when 3 big corporations like this converge and get together to better control the problematics of that industry, only one good thing can happen, make more money..by raising the prices in agreement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , when 3 big corporations like this converge and get together to better control the problematics of that industry , only one good thing can happen , make more money..by raising the prices in agreement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, when 3 big corporations like this converge and get together to better control the problematics of that industry, only one good thing can happen, make more money..by raising the prices in agreement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736283</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255425120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Superconductors break down in large enough magnetic fields.  A larger current generates a stronger magnetic field.  So too much current and it stops superconducting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Superconductors break down in large enough magnetic fields .
A larger current generates a stronger magnetic field .
So too much current and it stops superconducting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Superconductors break down in large enough magnetic fields.
A larger current generates a stronger magnetic field.
So too much current and it stops superconducting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734367</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>mog007</author>
	<datestamp>1255459980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps the components which are plugged in at either end of the superconductor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the components which are plugged in at either end of the superconductor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the components which are plugged in at either end of the superconductor?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735189</id>
	<title>Re:What is the motivation for power companies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255463820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Likewise, California can sell to the east when it's 5am there (people are still asleep), but 8am in the east.</p><p>Not going to work here in the Northeast..  I'm sure I remember when I was at Niagra Falls, they explained that during Off-Peak hours, Niagra Falls uses their extra power to pump water into a reservoir that they then need to drain to meet the demand during on-peak hours..  So they are already running at pretty close to 100\% output 24/7..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Likewise , California can sell to the east when it 's 5am there ( people are still asleep ) , but 8am in the east.Not going to work here in the Northeast.. I 'm sure I remember when I was at Niagra Falls , they explained that during Off-Peak hours , Niagra Falls uses their extra power to pump water into a reservoir that they then need to drain to meet the demand during on-peak hours.. So they are already running at pretty close to 100 \ % output 24/7. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Likewise, California can sell to the east when it's 5am there (people are still asleep), but 8am in the east.Not going to work here in the Northeast..  I'm sure I remember when I was at Niagra Falls, they explained that during Off-Peak hours, Niagra Falls uses their extra power to pump water into a reservoir that they then need to drain to meet the demand during on-peak hours..  So they are already running at pretty close to 100\% output 24/7..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736055</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1255467420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....Naiive question, but what limits the capacity of superconductor?....</p><p>The magnetic field it is in or generates. Anytime you have an electric current, you have associated with it a magnetic field. Add some value of magnetic field, the superconducting wire becomes an ordinary wire with resistance, which quickly burns out unless the power is shut off immediately.</p><p>At the CERN LHC they use lots of superconducting wire wound into coils to make powerful magnets that have no losses. Another thing that quenches, that is making non superconducting, is a higher temperature. In these magnets, the superconductor is kept at 4.2 K. Presumably, the superconducting wires remain superconducting at a higher temperature for these proposed power lines. Keeping everything superconducting, especially where conductors are joined, is still an art more than a science. It was a bad joint that cost the spectacular failure at the startup of the LHC.</p><p>To transmit 5 GW, will require both high voltages and high currents. To transmit 10,000 amperes at 500,000 V is a nontrivial engineering problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....Naiive question , but what limits the capacity of superconductor ? ....The magnetic field it is in or generates .
Anytime you have an electric current , you have associated with it a magnetic field .
Add some value of magnetic field , the superconducting wire becomes an ordinary wire with resistance , which quickly burns out unless the power is shut off immediately.At the CERN LHC they use lots of superconducting wire wound into coils to make powerful magnets that have no losses .
Another thing that quenches , that is making non superconducting , is a higher temperature .
In these magnets , the superconductor is kept at 4.2 K. Presumably , the superconducting wires remain superconducting at a higher temperature for these proposed power lines .
Keeping everything superconducting , especially where conductors are joined , is still an art more than a science .
It was a bad joint that cost the spectacular failure at the startup of the LHC.To transmit 5 GW , will require both high voltages and high currents .
To transmit 10,000 amperes at 500,000 V is a nontrivial engineering problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....Naiive question, but what limits the capacity of superconductor?....The magnetic field it is in or generates.
Anytime you have an electric current, you have associated with it a magnetic field.
Add some value of magnetic field, the superconducting wire becomes an ordinary wire with resistance, which quickly burns out unless the power is shut off immediately.At the CERN LHC they use lots of superconducting wire wound into coils to make powerful magnets that have no losses.
Another thing that quenches, that is making non superconducting, is a higher temperature.
In these magnets, the superconductor is kept at 4.2 K. Presumably, the superconducting wires remain superconducting at a higher temperature for these proposed power lines.
Keeping everything superconducting, especially where conductors are joined, is still an art more than a science.
It was a bad joint that cost the spectacular failure at the startup of the LHC.To transmit 5 GW, will require both high voltages and high currents.
To transmit 10,000 amperes at 500,000 V is a nontrivial engineering problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734181</id>
	<title>Re:blackouts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255459140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play.</p></div><p>Luckily the interchange is only 5 GW... which only requires maybe one percent of the eastern and western plants to generate.  TX on the other hand is probably screwed, that is probably like 5/6 their generating capacity (Don't really know, but how many plants can little ole TX have, anyway?)</p></div>
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<tokenext>You 're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play.Luckily the interchange is only 5 GW... which only requires maybe one percent of the eastern and western plants to generate .
TX on the other hand is probably screwed , that is probably like 5/6 their generating capacity ( Do n't really know , but how many plants can little ole TX have , anyway ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're safe only if your part of the grid neither imports nor exports more than a small percentage of the total power in play.Luckily the interchange is only 5 GW... which only requires maybe one percent of the eastern and western plants to generate.
TX on the other hand is probably screwed, that is probably like 5/6 their generating capacity (Don't really know, but how many plants can little ole TX have, anyway?
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736587</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1255426500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, they did take out about half of new england, including large portions of canada several years ago.  However, that was not a grid issue, but a computer communication issue, and that's been fixed and made far more redundant.  It was an accident of coincidence that allowed improperly timed alarms to cascade through a communication network that shut the grid down because it thought it was fighting off electric backpressure and trying top prevent a feedback that would have blown transformers and possibly generators, and then the other system that tried to account for the lack in sudden power availability also alarmed and could not cope, and went down.</p><p>That communication issue was identified (as well as a few other case scenarios they realized were also possible) and the systems were reprogrammed and upgraded.</p><p>The chance of such a mass grid failure is rediculously low now.  the bigger the interconencted grid is, especially including HVDC superconducting long range lines, the less of a chance of faiure there is as localized issues can be readily handled by power stations hundreds of miles away.  The big deal was the next power station down the line could not handle a wide area outage, and then itself went down.  If we're not relying on the poewr station down the street, but can draw from across the nation, that's a non-issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they did take out about half of new england , including large portions of canada several years ago .
However , that was not a grid issue , but a computer communication issue , and that 's been fixed and made far more redundant .
It was an accident of coincidence that allowed improperly timed alarms to cascade through a communication network that shut the grid down because it thought it was fighting off electric backpressure and trying top prevent a feedback that would have blown transformers and possibly generators , and then the other system that tried to account for the lack in sudden power availability also alarmed and could not cope , and went down.That communication issue was identified ( as well as a few other case scenarios they realized were also possible ) and the systems were reprogrammed and upgraded.The chance of such a mass grid failure is rediculously low now .
the bigger the interconencted grid is , especially including HVDC superconducting long range lines , the less of a chance of faiure there is as localized issues can be readily handled by power stations hundreds of miles away .
The big deal was the next power station down the line could not handle a wide area outage , and then itself went down .
If we 're not relying on the poewr station down the street , but can draw from across the nation , that 's a non-issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they did take out about half of new england, including large portions of canada several years ago.
However, that was not a grid issue, but a computer communication issue, and that's been fixed and made far more redundant.
It was an accident of coincidence that allowed improperly timed alarms to cascade through a communication network that shut the grid down because it thought it was fighting off electric backpressure and trying top prevent a feedback that would have blown transformers and possibly generators, and then the other system that tried to account for the lack in sudden power availability also alarmed and could not cope, and went down.That communication issue was identified (as well as a few other case scenarios they realized were also possible) and the systems were reprogrammed and upgraded.The chance of such a mass grid failure is rediculously low now.
the bigger the interconencted grid is, especially including HVDC superconducting long range lines, the less of a chance of faiure there is as localized issues can be readily handled by power stations hundreds of miles away.
The big deal was the next power station down the line could not handle a wide area outage, and then itself went down.
If we're not relying on the poewr station down the street, but can draw from across the nation, that's a non-issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734149</id>
	<title>Amarillo by propagation speed</title>
	<author>turtleshadow</author>
	<datestamp>1255459020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amarillo by propagation speed, I buzz at San Antone<br>Everything that Ive got is just what I turn on.<br>When that Renewable Energy is high in that Texas sky<br>Ill be pumping it to county fair.<br>Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.</p><p>Took my amps in Houston, broke my conductivity in Santa Fe<br>Lost my Giga watts from resistance somewhere along the way<br>Well Ill be sell'n for peak when they pull that gate,<br>And Im hoping that regulator aint blind.</p><p>Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillos on my mind.</p><p>Amarillo by propagation speed, I buzz at San Antone.<br>Everything that Ive got is just what I turn on.<br>I cost a dime, but what I got is mine.<br>I aint rich, but lord Im reasonably priced.</p><p>Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.<br>Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amarillo by propagation speed , I buzz at San AntoneEverything that Ive got is just what I turn on.When that Renewable Energy is high in that Texas skyIll be pumping it to county fair.Amarillo by propagation speed , amarillo Ill be there.Took my amps in Houston , broke my conductivity in Santa FeLost my Giga watts from resistance somewhere along the wayWell Ill be sell'n for peak when they pull that gate,And Im hoping that regulator aint blind.Amarillo by propagation speed , amarillos on my mind.Amarillo by propagation speed , I buzz at San Antone.Everything that Ive got is just what I turn on.I cost a dime , but what I got is mine.I aint rich , but lord Im reasonably priced.Amarillo by propagation speed , amarillo Ill be there.Amarillo by propagation speed , amarillo Ill be there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amarillo by propagation speed, I buzz at San AntoneEverything that Ive got is just what I turn on.When that Renewable Energy is high in that Texas skyIll be pumping it to county fair.Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.Took my amps in Houston, broke my conductivity in Santa FeLost my Giga watts from resistance somewhere along the wayWell Ill be sell'n for peak when they pull that gate,And Im hoping that regulator aint blind.Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillos on my mind.Amarillo by propagation speed, I buzz at San Antone.Everything that Ive got is just what I turn on.I cost a dime, but what I got is mine.I aint rich, but lord Im reasonably priced.Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.Amarillo by propagation speed, amarillo Ill be there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734505</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Giometrix</author>
	<datestamp>1255460460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Central Point of Failure.</p><p>Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.</p></div><p>Maybe I'm missing something, but if this new thing failed wouldn't the system just degrade to what it currently is today?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists : we have a new target to aim for.Maybe I 'm missing something , but if this new thing failed would n't the system just degrade to what it currently is today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.Maybe I'm missing something, but if this new thing failed wouldn't the system just degrade to what it currently is today?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733855</id>
	<title>Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>insecuritiez</author>
	<datestamp>1255457880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.  Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?  It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other .
Are they doing a AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC conversion ?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.
Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734281</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1255459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Naiive question, but what limits the capacity of superconductor?  With no resistance, therefore no overheating, what stops it from being able to carry even more?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Naiive question , but what limits the capacity of superconductor ?
With no resistance , therefore no overheating , what stops it from being able to carry even more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Naiive question, but what limits the capacity of superconductor?
With no resistance, therefore no overheating, what stops it from being able to carry even more?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733629</id>
	<title>What could possibly go wrong?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh boy, so now <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/15/1758216/DHS-To-Review-Report-On-US-Power-Grid-Vulnerability?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> this</a> [slashdot.org] can be the whole country if it is done right.   I mean, wrong.  Errr, you know what I mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh boy , so now this [ slashdot.org ] can be the whole country if it is done right .
I mean , wrong .
Errr , you know what I mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh boy, so now  this [slashdot.org] can be the whole country if it is done right.
I mean, wrong.
Errr, you know what I mean.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734983</id>
	<title>Re:isnt this going backwards?</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1255462800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the big problems with 'renewable energy' is that production tends to be sporadic.  The wind doesn't always blow.  The sun doesn't always shine.  The way around that is to interconnect large numbers of different power sources together to minimize the fluctuations and to allow loads to increase or decrease.  The way you do that is with interconnects between individual grids. <br> <br>
This is just a big interconnect.  We need more interconnects and a 'smarter grid' if small to medium source generation projects are going to do anything to materially reduce fossil fuel burning for power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the big problems with 'renewable energy ' is that production tends to be sporadic .
The wind does n't always blow .
The sun does n't always shine .
The way around that is to interconnect large numbers of different power sources together to minimize the fluctuations and to allow loads to increase or decrease .
The way you do that is with interconnects between individual grids .
This is just a big interconnect .
We need more interconnects and a 'smarter grid ' if small to medium source generation projects are going to do anything to materially reduce fossil fuel burning for power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the big problems with 'renewable energy' is that production tends to be sporadic.
The wind doesn't always blow.
The sun doesn't always shine.
The way around that is to interconnect large numbers of different power sources together to minimize the fluctuations and to allow loads to increase or decrease.
The way you do that is with interconnects between individual grids.
This is just a big interconnect.
We need more interconnects and a 'smarter grid' if small to medium source generation projects are going to do anything to materially reduce fossil fuel burning for power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29738875</id>
	<title>Doomed by grammar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255435980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After reading the synopsis, I thought this project was sure to be doomed.  "Tres amiga" which translates to "Three friend" is grammatically incorrect.  But when I clicked through to the article on Yahoo!, that article correctly specified the project's name as "Tres amigas."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading the synopsis , I thought this project was sure to be doomed .
" Tres amiga " which translates to " Three friend " is grammatically incorrect .
But when I clicked through to the article on Yahoo ! , that article correctly specified the project 's name as " Tres amigas .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading the synopsis, I thought this project was sure to be doomed.
"Tres amiga" which translates to "Three friend" is grammatically incorrect.
But when I clicked through to the article on Yahoo!, that article correctly specified the project's name as "Tres amigas.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735751</id>
	<title>how many ZPM can it handle?</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1255466280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how many ZPM can it handle?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how many ZPM can it handle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how many ZPM can it handle?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734397</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1255460100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has there ever been an instance of an <i>entire</i> regional grid going out?  I mean it certainly made the news when a large portion of California had rolling blackouts, so I'm just assuming that if the entire Western Grid went out, I would have heard of it, and I haven't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has there ever been an instance of an entire regional grid going out ?
I mean it certainly made the news when a large portion of California had rolling blackouts , so I 'm just assuming that if the entire Western Grid went out , I would have heard of it , and I have n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has there ever been an instance of an entire regional grid going out?
I mean it certainly made the news when a large portion of California had rolling blackouts, so I'm just assuming that if the entire Western Grid went out, I would have heard of it, and I haven't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733631</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733697</id>
	<title>Your First Premis Is WRONG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255457220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is No America. There is Canada. There is the United States of America. There is Mexico.</p><p>Stupid Gringos.</p><p>Yours In Petrograd,<br>Hector Burrito</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is No America .
There is Canada .
There is the United States of America .
There is Mexico.Stupid Gringos.Yours In Petrograd,Hector Burrito</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is No America.
There is Canada.
There is the United States of America.
There is Mexico.Stupid Gringos.Yours In Petrograd,Hector Burrito</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733683</id>
	<title>shapes</title>
	<author>orgelspieler</author>
	<datestamp>1255457160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me get this straight: it will be a square, triangle, pipeline? Are you sure it's not a series of tubes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this straight : it will be a square , triangle , pipeline ?
Are you sure it 's not a series of tubes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this straight: it will be a square, triangle, pipeline?
Are you sure it's not a series of tubes?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734329</id>
	<title>isnt this going backwards?</title>
	<author>SolarStorm</author>
	<datestamp>1255459800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isnt this going backwards with so much research being done to distributed renwable energy systems?  We are creating a central point of failure or an alien magnetic launch pad.  Think about wrapping those super conductors in a coil?  I would rather see these dollars spent creating more solar/wind/wave/tide/thermal/etc farms in a distributed system where the brown outs are occuring. By creating these types of farms, the overall cost of creating more decreases as more companies are willing to research and manufacture the components because now there is a market.

As a research project on super conducting it is probably a good project. And I admit my 5 min of research qualifies me only as highly informed, not an expert.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Isnt this going backwards with so much research being done to distributed renwable energy systems ?
We are creating a central point of failure or an alien magnetic launch pad .
Think about wrapping those super conductors in a coil ?
I would rather see these dollars spent creating more solar/wind/wave/tide/thermal/etc farms in a distributed system where the brown outs are occuring .
By creating these types of farms , the overall cost of creating more decreases as more companies are willing to research and manufacture the components because now there is a market .
As a research project on super conducting it is probably a good project .
And I admit my 5 min of research qualifies me only as highly informed , not an expert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isnt this going backwards with so much research being done to distributed renwable energy systems?
We are creating a central point of failure or an alien magnetic launch pad.
Think about wrapping those super conductors in a coil?
I would rather see these dollars spent creating more solar/wind/wave/tide/thermal/etc farms in a distributed system where the brown outs are occuring.
By creating these types of farms, the overall cost of creating more decreases as more companies are willing to research and manufacture the components because now there is a market.
As a research project on super conducting it is probably a good project.
And I admit my 5 min of research qualifies me only as highly informed, not an expert.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734699</id>
	<title>Re:Uh... Do you know the way...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255461300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, i thought it was a "Rent" reference, in which case Santa Fe is correct..</p><p>you know.. tumble weeds.. prairie dogss...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , i thought it was a " Rent " reference , in which case Santa Fe is correct..you know.. tumble weeds.. prairie dogss.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, i thought it was a "Rent" reference, in which case Santa Fe is correct..you know.. tumble weeds.. prairie dogss...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733945</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733635</id>
	<title>Hoping for a lower bill</title>
	<author>madwheel</author>
	<datestamp>1255456920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe one day my electric bill will go down and I can leave all of my computers running...  By then SRP will have raised the rates anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe one day my electric bill will go down and I can leave all of my computers running... By then SRP will have raised the rates anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe one day my electric bill will go down and I can leave all of my computers running...  By then SRP will have raised the rates anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734019</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.  Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?  It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.</p></div><p>Sure, they just have to redirect the power flow through the plasma conduits, and make sure that the phase discriminator is in focus before it hits the main deflector.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other .
Are they doing a AC- &gt; DC- &gt; AC conversion ?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.Sure , they just have to redirect the power flow through the plasma conduits , and make sure that the phase discriminator is in focus before it hits the main deflector .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The three power grids are out of phase with each other.
Are they doing a AC-&gt;DC-&gt;AC conversion?
It was my understanding that the biggest technical hurdle to connecting the grids was the difficult problem of shifting the phase of one grid to another.Sure, they just have to redirect the power flow through the plasma conduits, and make sure that the phase discriminator is in focus before it hits the main deflector.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735419</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>LoRdTAW</author>
	<datestamp>1255464780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent. Now we can go into the future and kick Higgs Boson's ass for going back in time and sabotaging the LHC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent .
Now we can go into the future and kick Higgs Boson 's ass for going back in time and sabotaging the LHC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent.
Now we can go into the future and kick Higgs Boson's ass for going back in time and sabotaging the LHC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734439</id>
	<title>Re:Your First Premis Is WRONG</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1255460220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if you are going to go all anal on this, at least freak out using correct information.<br> <br>
There is Canada. There is the United States of America. There is the <b>United Mexican States</b>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you are going to go all anal on this , at least freak out using correct information .
There is Canada .
There is the United States of America .
There is the United Mexican States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you are going to go all anal on this, at least freak out using correct information.
There is Canada.
There is the United States of America.
There is the United Mexican States.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736185</id>
	<title>I don't care for the name much.</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1255424700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tres Amigas?  This is the U.S., not Mexico. Let's give it an English name, please.
<br> <br>
I mean, come on. I have nothing against Spanish in particular, but it's a U.S. facility, let's give it a U.S. name. Otherwise, why not call the new trade center in New York "El Stupido"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tres Amigas ?
This is the U.S. , not Mexico .
Let 's give it an English name , please .
I mean , come on .
I have nothing against Spanish in particular , but it 's a U.S. facility , let 's give it a U.S. name. Otherwise , why not call the new trade center in New York " El Stupido " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tres Amigas?
This is the U.S., not Mexico.
Let's give it an English name, please.
I mean, come on.
I have nothing against Spanish in particular, but it's a U.S. facility, let's give it a U.S. name. Otherwise, why not call the new trade center in New York "El Stupido"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736569</id>
	<title>Re:And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>goodmanj</author>
	<datestamp>1255426380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Overall good points, but the anecdote about using sodium for power plant bus bars is ridiculous.</p><p>Aluminum has <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=compare+conductivity+of+aluminum+and+sodium" title="wolframalpha.com">twice</a> [wolframalpha.com] the conductivity of sodium.  A bus bar made of aluminum the weight of a city bus (14 tonnes) takes about 434 gigajoules of energy to smelt: that's about half an hour's worth of power from a 500-MW power plant.</p><p>I don't actually know how heavy these bus bars are, I used the weight of a city bus for pun value, the point is the energy cost of the materials is negligible compared to the power output.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Overall good points , but the anecdote about using sodium for power plant bus bars is ridiculous.Aluminum has twice [ wolframalpha.com ] the conductivity of sodium .
A bus bar made of aluminum the weight of a city bus ( 14 tonnes ) takes about 434 gigajoules of energy to smelt : that 's about half an hour 's worth of power from a 500-MW power plant.I do n't actually know how heavy these bus bars are , I used the weight of a city bus for pun value , the point is the energy cost of the materials is negligible compared to the power output .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Overall good points, but the anecdote about using sodium for power plant bus bars is ridiculous.Aluminum has twice [wolframalpha.com] the conductivity of sodium.
A bus bar made of aluminum the weight of a city bus (14 tonnes) takes about 434 gigajoules of energy to smelt: that's about half an hour's worth of power from a 500-MW power plant.I don't actually know how heavy these bus bars are, I used the weight of a city bus for pun value, the point is the energy cost of the materials is negligible compared to the power output.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733793</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1255457580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the 2nd-gen machines run on mere garbage</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the 2nd-gen machines run on mere garbage</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the 2nd-gen machines run on mere garbage</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734491</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1255460400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lived there for 7 years in the 90s. Discovered that "New Mexico" was spanish for "eternal poverty." Discovered that my well paid job in San Francisco brought minimum wage in NM. Still, the place is pretty. Good place to visit and commune with nature. At the moment though, the economy is a notch above third world and so was the wealth distribution (i.e. a few rich white folks, a lot of poor white and mexican folks). Santa Fe has this, particularly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lived there for 7 years in the 90s .
Discovered that " New Mexico " was spanish for " eternal poverty .
" Discovered that my well paid job in San Francisco brought minimum wage in NM .
Still , the place is pretty .
Good place to visit and commune with nature .
At the moment though , the economy is a notch above third world and so was the wealth distribution ( i.e .
a few rich white folks , a lot of poor white and mexican folks ) .
Santa Fe has this , particularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lived there for 7 years in the 90s.
Discovered that "New Mexico" was spanish for "eternal poverty.
" Discovered that my well paid job in San Francisco brought minimum wage in NM.
Still, the place is pretty.
Good place to visit and commune with nature.
At the moment though, the economy is a notch above third world and so was the wealth distribution (i.e.
a few rich white folks, a lot of poor white and mexican folks).
Santa Fe has this, particularly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737459</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>bth</author>
	<datestamp>1255429560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The superconductor's cable carrier limits its capacity so not as interrupt the TV signals of its neighbors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The superconductor 's cable carrier limits its capacity so not as interrupt the TV signals of its neighbors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The superconductor's cable carrier limits its capacity so not as interrupt the TV signals of its neighbors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734281</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734897</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255462200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a bad project but I too have to wonder why not copper.  Also texas having it's own power grid has kept it exempt from a lot of federal regulation in the past, if they are all linked it's interstate commerce again, I have to wonder if this could be more trouble than it's worth for texas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a bad project but I too have to wonder why not copper .
Also texas having it 's own power grid has kept it exempt from a lot of federal regulation in the past , if they are all linked it 's interstate commerce again , I have to wonder if this could be more trouble than it 's worth for texas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a bad project but I too have to wonder why not copper.
Also texas having it's own power grid has kept it exempt from a lot of federal regulation in the past, if they are all linked it's interstate commerce again, I have to wonder if this could be more trouble than it's worth for texas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733929</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734979</id>
	<title>Re:Where?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255462800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe you're looking for lyrics from the popular country western song "Amarillo by morning" by George Strait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe you 're looking for lyrics from the popular country western song " Amarillo by morning " by George Strait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe you're looking for lyrics from the popular country western song "Amarillo by morning" by George Strait.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734759</id>
	<title>Re:"Forward Looking Comment"</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1255461600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's standard U.S. legal boilerplate. Financial filings that talk about the future are required to carry similar language.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's standard U.S. legal boilerplate .
Financial filings that talk about the future are required to carry similar language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's standard U.S. legal boilerplate.
Financial filings that talk about the future are required to carry similar language.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734443</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255460220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why I come to slashdot! A technical article with the right units! 5 GW of electricity. Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW. Now, that's useful!</p></div><p>And none of that non-sense revisionist crap making an established standard of "GW" into "GiW" either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I come to slashdot !
A technical article with the right units !
5 GW of electricity .
Not 100,000 volts of electricity , not 50,000 Amps of electricity , but 5 GW .
Now , that 's useful ! And none of that non-sense revisionist crap making an established standard of " GW " into " GiW " either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I come to slashdot!
A technical article with the right units!
5 GW of electricity.
Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW.
Now, that's useful!And none of that non-sense revisionist crap making an established standard of "GW" into "GiW" either.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734297</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>belthize</author>
	<datestamp>1255459620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Native and current resident.   New Mexico is no different than the rest of the states.  The rural areas are seeing a steady migration out, the urban areas are seeing a steady migration in.</p><p>Some areas like Farmington (North west) or Artesia, Roswell, Carlsbad (east side) are highly susceptible to boom/bust natural gas/oil cycles.   Areas like Albuquerque are chugging right along and were hit about the national average by the recent recession.  Most of the state is agricultural and is slowly sliding into oblivion like the rest of the nation's non corporate-run agriculture though not merely so hard hit as the wheat belt region.</p><p>The current governor is a bit of a twit at times but he's done a decent job getting some higher tech interest in NM.  The combination of alternative energy as both a producer of energy and producer of materials,  light rail interconnect for Rio Grande corridor and of course the space port may end up putting NM in an promising position.</p><p>The state isn't overly rich in resources/industry and agriculture is not a money making proposition for any state/country.  The state's future is either in energy or tech or it's doomed to a tail end of the pack future much like most other low pop poor states.</p><p>In short I think you've overstated the destitute nature of the state compared to most other comparable states.  On the other hand I agree that this newest venture is yet another energy/tech venture within the state which is needed or your observation regarding the state may be prophetically accurate.</p><p>Then again all the above it's pretty much true for the nation as a whole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Native and current resident .
New Mexico is no different than the rest of the states .
The rural areas are seeing a steady migration out , the urban areas are seeing a steady migration in.Some areas like Farmington ( North west ) or Artesia , Roswell , Carlsbad ( east side ) are highly susceptible to boom/bust natural gas/oil cycles .
Areas like Albuquerque are chugging right along and were hit about the national average by the recent recession .
Most of the state is agricultural and is slowly sliding into oblivion like the rest of the nation 's non corporate-run agriculture though not merely so hard hit as the wheat belt region.The current governor is a bit of a twit at times but he 's done a decent job getting some higher tech interest in NM .
The combination of alternative energy as both a producer of energy and producer of materials , light rail interconnect for Rio Grande corridor and of course the space port may end up putting NM in an promising position.The state is n't overly rich in resources/industry and agriculture is not a money making proposition for any state/country .
The state 's future is either in energy or tech or it 's doomed to a tail end of the pack future much like most other low pop poor states.In short I think you 've overstated the destitute nature of the state compared to most other comparable states .
On the other hand I agree that this newest venture is yet another energy/tech venture within the state which is needed or your observation regarding the state may be prophetically accurate.Then again all the above it 's pretty much true for the nation as a whole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Native and current resident.
New Mexico is no different than the rest of the states.
The rural areas are seeing a steady migration out, the urban areas are seeing a steady migration in.Some areas like Farmington (North west) or Artesia, Roswell, Carlsbad (east side) are highly susceptible to boom/bust natural gas/oil cycles.
Areas like Albuquerque are chugging right along and were hit about the national average by the recent recession.
Most of the state is agricultural and is slowly sliding into oblivion like the rest of the nation's non corporate-run agriculture though not merely so hard hit as the wheat belt region.The current governor is a bit of a twit at times but he's done a decent job getting some higher tech interest in NM.
The combination of alternative energy as both a producer of energy and producer of materials,  light rail interconnect for Rio Grande corridor and of course the space port may end up putting NM in an promising position.The state isn't overly rich in resources/industry and agriculture is not a money making proposition for any state/country.
The state's future is either in energy or tech or it's doomed to a tail end of the pack future much like most other low pop poor states.In short I think you've overstated the destitute nature of the state compared to most other comparable states.
On the other hand I agree that this newest venture is yet another energy/tech venture within the state which is needed or your observation regarding the state may be prophetically accurate.Then again all the above it's pretty much true for the nation as a whole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734745</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>Guspaz</author>
	<datestamp>1255461540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better question is, wouldn't it be cheaper to just use normal wires?</p><p>HydroQuebec's 735kV lines can carry 2GW each at a distance of up to 1000KM (power consumed in Montreal is produced ~1000KM north).</p><p>Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit? I really doubt it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better question is , would n't it be cheaper to just use normal wires ? HydroQuebec 's 735kV lines can carry 2GW each at a distance of up to 1000KM ( power consumed in Montreal is produced ~ 1000KM north ) .Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit ?
I really doubt it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better question is, wouldn't it be cheaper to just use normal wires?HydroQuebec's 735kV lines can carry 2GW each at a distance of up to 1000KM (power consumed in Montreal is produced ~1000KM north).Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit?
I really doubt it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734363</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1255459980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>BTW, knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.</i></p><p>You mean it doesn't <i>necessarily</i> take all 3 grids down, if it's not designed to.</p><p>Well, I <i>would</i> design it to.  And I would have a big switch where one setting was "America On" and the other would say "America Off".  And it would be on the outside of the fence.</p><p>Which is probably why they never let me design anything.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , knocking this section out does n't take all 3 grids down.You mean it does n't necessarily take all 3 grids down , if it 's not designed to.Well , I would design it to .
And I would have a big switch where one setting was " America On " and the other would say " America Off " .
And it would be on the outside of the fence.Which is probably why they never let me design anything .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, knocking this section out doesn't take all 3 grids down.You mean it doesn't necessarily take all 3 grids down, if it's not designed to.Well, I would design it to.
And I would have a big switch where one setting was "America On" and the other would say "America Off".
And it would be on the outside of the fence.Which is probably why they never let me design anything.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733617</id>
	<title>Four words:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Central Point of Failure.</p><p>Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists : we have a new target to aim for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Central Point of Failure.Attention terrorists:  we have a new target to aim for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735093</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1255463400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or one gaming machine running Crysis on Vista.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or one gaming machine running Crysis on Vista .
      --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or one gaming machine running Crysis on Vista.
      --- Mr. DOS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736395</id>
	<title>Re:isnt this going backwards?</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1255425720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A while ago there was an article on here about how across the US there was more than enough power for the whole country, and the fact that the wind is always blowing somewhere. This could be the first step to completely renewable power in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A while ago there was an article on here about how across the US there was more than enough power for the whole country , and the fact that the wind is always blowing somewhere .
This could be the first step to completely renewable power in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A while ago there was an article on here about how across the US there was more than enough power for the whole country, and the fact that the wind is always blowing somewhere.
This could be the first step to completely renewable power in the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734769</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>KUHurdler</author>
	<datestamp>1255461660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;quote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>Great Scott!!!</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.Great Scott ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's enough to power slightly more than four time machines.Great Scott!!
!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734135</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>SoupGuru</author>
	<datestamp>1255458960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would really really hope someone else thought of that while they were designing the thing and put some basic protection in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would really really hope someone else thought of that while they were designing the thing and put some basic protection in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would really really hope someone else thought of that while they were designing the thing and put some basic protection in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734709</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>thetartanavenger</author>
	<datestamp>1255461360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right. Cascading failures can (and probably will) occur in any system (see 4th November 2006 European Blackout among others), the real question is whether or not connecting the three systems will make the system more stable/manageable. Peaks occur in power usage at varying points throughout the day, mostly in the evening due to heating/lighting etc just before people go to bed. Thanks to the different timezones across the states, this will make these peaks will occur more spread out making power generation easier to predict and hence more stable and easier to manage.</p><p>If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism. Should one power station fail, there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery, and again a more stable grid. This is not the case here however, being DC, no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure. This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.</p><p>I may be naive in saying this next point, however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country. Say it's a windy day at a wind farm, now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy, and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right .
Cascading failures can ( and probably will ) occur in any system ( see 4th November 2006 European Blackout among others ) , the real question is whether or not connecting the three systems will make the system more stable/manageable .
Peaks occur in power usage at varying points throughout the day , mostly in the evening due to heating/lighting etc just before people go to bed .
Thanks to the different timezones across the states , this will make these peaks will occur more spread out making power generation easier to predict and hence more stable and easier to manage.If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism .
Should one power station fail , there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery , and again a more stable grid .
This is not the case here however , being DC , no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure .
This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.I may be naive in saying this next point , however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country .
Say it 's a windy day at a wind farm , now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy , and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right.
Cascading failures can (and probably will) occur in any system (see 4th November 2006 European Blackout among others), the real question is whether or not connecting the three systems will make the system more stable/manageable.
Peaks occur in power usage at varying points throughout the day, mostly in the evening due to heating/lighting etc just before people go to bed.
Thanks to the different timezones across the states, this will make these peaks will occur more spread out making power generation easier to predict and hence more stable and easier to manage.If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism.
Should one power station fail, there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery, and again a more stable grid.
This is not the case here however, being DC, no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure.
This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.I may be naive in saying this next point, however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country.
Say it's a windy day at a wind farm, now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy, and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734407</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255460100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Less likely to ahve any black outs. In fact, the whole fake rolling blackout thing Enron did wouldn't be possible had this been set up becasue the state would ahve more avenues to get power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Less likely to ahve any black outs .
In fact , the whole fake rolling blackout thing Enron did would n't be possible had this been set up becasue the state would ahve more avenues to get power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less likely to ahve any black outs.
In fact, the whole fake rolling blackout thing Enron did wouldn't be possible had this been set up becasue the state would ahve more avenues to get power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734067</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>Telecommando</author>
	<datestamp>1255458720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, the lines are DC with converters at each node that connects to the indivuidual grids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the lines are DC with converters at each node that connects to the indivuidual grids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the lines are DC with converters at each node that connects to the indivuidual grids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733953</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except not really, since all three grids are perfectly capable of running independently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except not really , since all three grids are perfectly capable of running independently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except not really, since all three grids are perfectly capable of running independently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734501</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255460460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Electromagnetic fields, like the ones created by the current, disable the superconductivity if they're sufficiently strong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Electromagnetic fields , like the ones created by the current , disable the superconductivity if they 're sufficiently strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electromagnetic fields, like the ones created by the current, disable the superconductivity if they're sufficiently strong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734417</id>
	<title>Re:A lot of power</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1255460160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or to put it another way, it's enough to power your time machine *four times*!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or to put it another way , it 's enough to power your time machine * four times * !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or to put it another way, it's enough to power your time machine *four times*!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29740825</id>
	<title>Re:I know amiga !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255451700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it does.</p><p>If there wasn't a description up there, I would have swore they ripped off that name from the local access cable channel. When the information scrollers or local programming isn't on, there's usually a Workbench 1.3 screen on Lake County Community Channel 17. (And this is still true even after all these years and going through at least two other cable networks before becoming Comcastic.) I'm pretty sure they have more than one Amiga to keep what uptime that they do have. Three seems very likely. Considering that it has some cheesy qualities remniscent of some ol' UHF channels I'm sure the "Superstation" moniker applies as well.</p><p>Of course whenever the ST grid comes up, they'll have to follow Atarian tradition of the late '80s and early '90s and do an acronym or other catchy name that starts with ST. Probably something like STars or STorm or whatever...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it does.If there was n't a description up there , I would have swore they ripped off that name from the local access cable channel .
When the information scrollers or local programming is n't on , there 's usually a Workbench 1.3 screen on Lake County Community Channel 17 .
( And this is still true even after all these years and going through at least two other cable networks before becoming Comcastic .
) I 'm pretty sure they have more than one Amiga to keep what uptime that they do have .
Three seems very likely .
Considering that it has some cheesy qualities remniscent of some ol ' UHF channels I 'm sure the " Superstation " moniker applies as well.Of course whenever the ST grid comes up , they 'll have to follow Atarian tradition of the late '80s and early '90s and do an acronym or other catchy name that starts with ST. Probably something like STars or STorm or whatever.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it does.If there wasn't a description up there, I would have swore they ripped off that name from the local access cable channel.
When the information scrollers or local programming isn't on, there's usually a Workbench 1.3 screen on Lake County Community Channel 17.
(And this is still true even after all these years and going through at least two other cable networks before becoming Comcastic.
) I'm pretty sure they have more than one Amiga to keep what uptime that they do have.
Three seems very likely.
Considering that it has some cheesy qualities remniscent of some ol' UHF channels I'm sure the "Superstation" moniker applies as well.Of course whenever the ST grid comes up, they'll have to follow Atarian tradition of the late '80s and early '90s and do an acronym or other catchy name that starts with ST. Probably something like STars or STorm or whatever...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733977</id>
	<title>Superconductor</title>
	<author>Steve Baker</author>
	<datestamp>1255458360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we can build Gatling Lasers on our units, and we're one step closer to Fusion Power!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we can build Gatling Lasers on our units , and we 're one step closer to Fusion Power !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we can build Gatling Lasers on our units, and we're one step closer to Fusion Power!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736707</id>
	<title>Re:Uh.. Roswell?</title>
	<author>Sprouticus</author>
	<datestamp>1255426980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thats just silly. Any aliens that come have plenty of energy reservres. How else did they get here. Now WATEr....thats a different story. If you remember, the rsouse being stolen in 'V' was water.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thats just silly .
Any aliens that come have plenty of energy reservres .
How else did they get here .
Now WATEr....thats a different story .
If you remember , the rsouse being stolen in 'V ' was water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thats just silly.
Any aliens that come have plenty of energy reservres.
How else did they get here.
Now WATEr....thats a different story.
If you remember, the rsouse being stolen in 'V' was water.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734393</id>
	<title>Re:And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1255460040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported.  The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = (v)i or p = (i/r)i ).  That's not a big problem when you're running a vacuum cleaner (although the wire will ususally get warm).  It's a huge problem when you're talking about moving thousands of amps.  The longer the wire, the more losses there are.  In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.<br>
<br>
That's why electric companies sink so much money into transformers.  You step up the electricity to high voltage / low current for transmission, then back to low voltage / high current for consumption.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported .
The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = ( v ) i or p = ( i/r ) i ) .
That 's not a big problem when you 're running a vacuum cleaner ( although the wire will ususally get warm ) .
It 's a huge problem when you 're talking about moving thousands of amps .
The longer the wire , the more losses there are .
In fact , it 's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil , due to the fact that sodium has a very , very high conductance at normal temperatures .
That 's why electric companies sink so much money into transformers .
You step up the electricity to high voltage / low current for transmission , then back to low voltage / high current for consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need superconducters because of the amount of current that will be transported.
The loss across the wire increases with the square of the current ( p = (v)i or p = (i/r)i ).
That's not a big problem when you're running a vacuum cleaner (although the wire will ususally get warm).
It's a huge problem when you're talking about moving thousands of amps.
The longer the wire, the more losses there are.
In fact, it's common for the main conductors coming out of power plants to be made of pure sodium metal submerged in oil, due to the fact that sodium has a very, very high conductance at normal temperatures.
That's why electric companies sink so much money into transformers.
You step up the electricity to high voltage / low current for transmission, then back to low voltage / high current for consumption.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734339</id>
	<title>Re:A lot of power</title>
	<author>Mousit</author>
	<datestamp>1255459860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It really depends on where you look, to be honest, and surprisingly the state of New York isn't necessarily all that huge as you might think.  It's not even ranked second or third in energy usage.<br>
<br>
To add to your perspective, the state of Texas produces and consumes--by a wide margin for both--far more electrity than any other state or territory in the United States.  Full summer peaks can reach average state-wide usages of around 97GW.<br>
<br>
That's especially impressive to me considering the Texas grid is almost isolated, so it can't easily call in outside power from other states like New York can.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It really depends on where you look , to be honest , and surprisingly the state of New York is n't necessarily all that huge as you might think .
It 's not even ranked second or third in energy usage .
To add to your perspective , the state of Texas produces and consumes--by a wide margin for both--far more electrity than any other state or territory in the United States .
Full summer peaks can reach average state-wide usages of around 97GW .
That 's especially impressive to me considering the Texas grid is almost isolated , so it ca n't easily call in outside power from other states like New York can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really depends on where you look, to be honest, and surprisingly the state of New York isn't necessarily all that huge as you might think.
It's not even ranked second or third in energy usage.
To add to your perspective, the state of Texas produces and consumes--by a wide margin for both--far more electrity than any other state or territory in the United States.
Full summer peaks can reach average state-wide usages of around 97GW.
That's especially impressive to me considering the Texas grid is almost isolated, so it can't easily call in outside power from other states like New York can.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735221</id>
	<title>Re:And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>makers78</author>
	<datestamp>1255463940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Minor correction, your power equation is incorrect:<br>Voltage: V = I * R<br>Power: P = I * V<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -- or --<br>P = I * I * R = I^2 * R</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Minor correction , your power equation is incorrect : Voltage : V = I * RPower : P = I * V     -- or --P = I * I * R = I ^ 2 * R</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minor correction, your power equation is incorrect:Voltage: V = I * RPower: P = I * V
    -- or --P = I * I * R = I^2 * R</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733815</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1255457640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. And the only reason the terrorists haven't done anything yet is the sheer amount of available targets - so many that they cannot decide which one to aim for first<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:rolleyes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
And the only reason the terrorists have n't done anything yet is the sheer amount of available targets - so many that they can not decide which one to aim for first : rolleyes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
And the only reason the terrorists haven't done anything yet is the sheer amount of available targets - so many that they cannot decide which one to aim for first :rolleyes</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739037</id>
	<title>Re:Modify the phase variance</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1255437120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget that AC signals produce a magnetic field!</p><p>This is a huge problem for some newer particle accelerator designs, which produce their accelerating gradient using a standing RF wave inside a hollow low-temperature (niobium) superconductor.  Depending upon the superconductor's surface topography (along with a few other factors), various hot-spots might be produced that raise the temperature high enough that the accelerator begins to behave like a normal conductor (which, as we in the business say, is "really bad")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget that AC signals produce a magnetic field ! This is a huge problem for some newer particle accelerator designs , which produce their accelerating gradient using a standing RF wave inside a hollow low-temperature ( niobium ) superconductor .
Depending upon the superconductor 's surface topography ( along with a few other factors ) , various hot-spots might be produced that raise the temperature high enough that the accelerator begins to behave like a normal conductor ( which , as we in the business say , is " really bad " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that AC signals produce a magnetic field!This is a huge problem for some newer particle accelerator designs, which produce their accelerating gradient using a standing RF wave inside a hollow low-temperature (niobium) superconductor.
Depending upon the superconductor's surface topography (along with a few other factors), various hot-spots might be produced that raise the temperature high enough that the accelerator begins to behave like a normal conductor (which, as we in the business say, is "really bad")</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739103</id>
	<title>Re:I know amiga !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255437600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And, will the Atari ST grid have a built-in MIDI interface!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And , will the Atari ST grid have a built-in MIDI interface !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, will the Atari ST grid have a built-in MIDI interface!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734797</id>
	<title>1.21 giggawatts</title>
	<author>uslinux.net</author>
	<datestamp>1255461720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we can go back in time four times!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we can go back in time four times !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we can go back in time four times!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733631</id>
	<title>Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255456920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a great thing, but the cynical part (85.6\%) of me wonders if this means we'll now be able to have national blackouts rather than just regional ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a great thing , but the cynical part ( 85.6 \ % ) of me wonders if this means we 'll now be able to have national blackouts rather than just regional ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a great thing, but the cynical part (85.6\%) of me wonders if this means we'll now be able to have national blackouts rather than just regional ones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735393</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1255464720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit?</i></p><p>No, conventional high voltage lines would be much cheaper, and the loads they are talking about are moderate at best, especially over such short distances.  The need for AC/DC/AC conversion to do phase matching does make HTS connections plausible, but the proposal still smells:  These guys are getting a sweetheart land deal and the fingerprints of government infrastructure contracts are all over it.  Under those circumstances you (for a certain value of "you", which does not include taxpayers, power producers or power consumers) want it to be as expensive as possible, because that's how you suck the maximum amount out of the public trough.</p><p>I'd love to be non-cynical about this, but the odds of the engineering use of superconductors in this case being economically justified look pretty small.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit ? No , conventional high voltage lines would be much cheaper , and the loads they are talking about are moderate at best , especially over such short distances .
The need for AC/DC/AC conversion to do phase matching does make HTS connections plausible , but the proposal still smells : These guys are getting a sweetheart land deal and the fingerprints of government infrastructure contracts are all over it .
Under those circumstances you ( for a certain value of " you " , which does not include taxpayers , power producers or power consumers ) want it to be as expensive as possible , because that 's how you suck the maximum amount out of the public trough.I 'd love to be non-cynical about this , but the odds of the engineering use of superconductors in this case being economically justified look pretty small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would building three 735kV lines really cost more than building a superconductive conduit?No, conventional high voltage lines would be much cheaper, and the loads they are talking about are moderate at best, especially over such short distances.
The need for AC/DC/AC conversion to do phase matching does make HTS connections plausible, but the proposal still smells:  These guys are getting a sweetheart land deal and the fingerprints of government infrastructure contracts are all over it.
Under those circumstances you (for a certain value of "you", which does not include taxpayers, power producers or power consumers) want it to be as expensive as possible, because that's how you suck the maximum amount out of the public trough.I'd love to be non-cynical about this, but the odds of the engineering use of superconductors in this case being economically justified look pretty small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734659</id>
	<title>Bigger, better, faster, more...</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1255461060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A continent-wide black-out will bring huge economies of scale...</htmltext>
<tokenext>A continent-wide black-out will bring huge economies of scale.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A continent-wide black-out will bring huge economies of scale...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736047</id>
	<title>Re:Five jiggawatts?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255467420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, the mods are freaking <i>morons</i> today.  While P and GP are without a doubt off-topic, they are hardly trolls.<br>
<br>
This, however, is clearly flamebait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , the mods are freaking morons today .
While P and GP are without a doubt off-topic , they are hardly trolls .
This , however , is clearly flamebait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, the mods are freaking morons today.
While P and GP are without a doubt off-topic, they are hardly trolls.
This, however, is clearly flamebait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736883</id>
	<title>Re:Why 22 sq miles?</title>
	<author>jeffstar</author>
	<datestamp>1255427580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and hydroquebec's 735kV lines also get affected by solar storms leading to grid instability and are the reason no other grids are connected to it except by DC.  Hydroquebec had done a lot of interesting things though, they have named all their assets (lines, switches, etc) random strings so there is no confusion as to exactly which you are referring to. people can't memorize circuits and line numbers by pattern and then accidentally refer to the wrong one.</p><p><i>However, it wasn&rsquo;t until the HydroQuebec Power Grid blackout in Quebec, Canada, in March of 1989 that the world truly realized the extent to which solar storms can impact the economy. The solar storm induced a nine-hour blackout which affected 6 million customers and ultimately cost this power company more than $10 million &mdash; putting the cost of this disaster in the same category as hurricanes and earthquakes (and this does not include the estimated cost to its customers, which was in the tens &mdash; if not hundreds &mdash; of millions of dollars) (Windows to the Universe Team, 2000). Additionally, Public Service Electric and Gas in New Jersey suffered serious damage to two of its transformers. It cost PSE&amp;G eight million to replace the transformers and the cost of replacement energy during the time the transformers were taken out of service was approximately $16.8 million, so the net cost for PSE&amp;G was over $24 million. Together, this single space weather storm cost Hydro Quebec and PSE&amp;G more than $30 million. Comprehensive real-time protective space weather prediction services could have significantly reduced damages and costs. Hydro-Quebec&rsquo;s solution to the blackout was to install devices that block solar storms created geomagnetically-induced currents from traveling through its transmission lines. Unfortunately, this solution is extremely complex and expensive ($1.2 billion) (Quinn, 2000).</i></p><p><i>It was soon realized that the key to protecting vulnerable high tech systems is the ability to forecast solar storms and to take appropriate measures to avoid (or at least minimize) potential damage before they strike the Earth.</i></p><p><i>Thanks to data from new sensors and improved forecast models, NOAA&rsquo;s SEC forecasters were able to alert electric power customers 40 minutes before a solar storm hit the Earth on May 2, 1998. In response, electric power utilities were able to successfully divert power and increase safety margins on certain parts of the grid to avoid stress on the power system.</i></p><p><i>Researchers have found that local electricity prices in the northeast increase in response to the regionalized effects of solar storms. Specifically, in research supported by the National Science Foundation, Forbes and St. Cyr (2004) note that space weather disrupts the system that transmits the power from where it is generated to where it is distributed to customers. In examining the determinants of the real-time electricity price in the market over the period June 1, 2000, through Dec. 31, 2001, they concluded that solar storms (over this period) increased the wholesale price of electricity by approximately 3.7 percent or approximately $500 million over the 19 month sample period.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and hydroquebec 's 735kV lines also get affected by solar storms leading to grid instability and are the reason no other grids are connected to it except by DC .
Hydroquebec had done a lot of interesting things though , they have named all their assets ( lines , switches , etc ) random strings so there is no confusion as to exactly which you are referring to .
people ca n't memorize circuits and line numbers by pattern and then accidentally refer to the wrong one.However , it wasn    t until the HydroQuebec Power Grid blackout in Quebec , Canada , in March of 1989 that the world truly realized the extent to which solar storms can impact the economy .
The solar storm induced a nine-hour blackout which affected 6 million customers and ultimately cost this power company more than $ 10 million    putting the cost of this disaster in the same category as hurricanes and earthquakes ( and this does not include the estimated cost to its customers , which was in the tens    if not hundreds    of millions of dollars ) ( Windows to the Universe Team , 2000 ) .
Additionally , Public Service Electric and Gas in New Jersey suffered serious damage to two of its transformers .
It cost PSE&amp;G eight million to replace the transformers and the cost of replacement energy during the time the transformers were taken out of service was approximately $ 16.8 million , so the net cost for PSE&amp;G was over $ 24 million .
Together , this single space weather storm cost Hydro Quebec and PSE&amp;G more than $ 30 million .
Comprehensive real-time protective space weather prediction services could have significantly reduced damages and costs .
Hydro-Quebec    s solution to the blackout was to install devices that block solar storms created geomagnetically-induced currents from traveling through its transmission lines .
Unfortunately , this solution is extremely complex and expensive ( $ 1.2 billion ) ( Quinn , 2000 ) .It was soon realized that the key to protecting vulnerable high tech systems is the ability to forecast solar storms and to take appropriate measures to avoid ( or at least minimize ) potential damage before they strike the Earth.Thanks to data from new sensors and improved forecast models , NOAA    s SEC forecasters were able to alert electric power customers 40 minutes before a solar storm hit the Earth on May 2 , 1998 .
In response , electric power utilities were able to successfully divert power and increase safety margins on certain parts of the grid to avoid stress on the power system.Researchers have found that local electricity prices in the northeast increase in response to the regionalized effects of solar storms .
Specifically , in research supported by the National Science Foundation , Forbes and St. Cyr ( 2004 ) note that space weather disrupts the system that transmits the power from where it is generated to where it is distributed to customers .
In examining the determinants of the real-time electricity price in the market over the period June 1 , 2000 , through Dec. 31 , 2001 , they concluded that solar storms ( over this period ) increased the wholesale price of electricity by approximately 3.7 percent or approximately $ 500 million over the 19 month sample period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and hydroquebec's 735kV lines also get affected by solar storms leading to grid instability and are the reason no other grids are connected to it except by DC.
Hydroquebec had done a lot of interesting things though, they have named all their assets (lines, switches, etc) random strings so there is no confusion as to exactly which you are referring to.
people can't memorize circuits and line numbers by pattern and then accidentally refer to the wrong one.However, it wasn’t until the HydroQuebec Power Grid blackout in Quebec, Canada, in March of 1989 that the world truly realized the extent to which solar storms can impact the economy.
The solar storm induced a nine-hour blackout which affected 6 million customers and ultimately cost this power company more than $10 million — putting the cost of this disaster in the same category as hurricanes and earthquakes (and this does not include the estimated cost to its customers, which was in the tens — if not hundreds — of millions of dollars) (Windows to the Universe Team, 2000).
Additionally, Public Service Electric and Gas in New Jersey suffered serious damage to two of its transformers.
It cost PSE&amp;G eight million to replace the transformers and the cost of replacement energy during the time the transformers were taken out of service was approximately $16.8 million, so the net cost for PSE&amp;G was over $24 million.
Together, this single space weather storm cost Hydro Quebec and PSE&amp;G more than $30 million.
Comprehensive real-time protective space weather prediction services could have significantly reduced damages and costs.
Hydro-Quebec’s solution to the blackout was to install devices that block solar storms created geomagnetically-induced currents from traveling through its transmission lines.
Unfortunately, this solution is extremely complex and expensive ($1.2 billion) (Quinn, 2000).It was soon realized that the key to protecting vulnerable high tech systems is the ability to forecast solar storms and to take appropriate measures to avoid (or at least minimize) potential damage before they strike the Earth.Thanks to data from new sensors and improved forecast models, NOAA’s SEC forecasters were able to alert electric power customers 40 minutes before a solar storm hit the Earth on May 2, 1998.
In response, electric power utilities were able to successfully divert power and increase safety margins on certain parts of the grid to avoid stress on the power system.Researchers have found that local electricity prices in the northeast increase in response to the regionalized effects of solar storms.
Specifically, in research supported by the National Science Foundation, Forbes and St. Cyr (2004) note that space weather disrupts the system that transmits the power from where it is generated to where it is distributed to customers.
In examining the determinants of the real-time electricity price in the market over the period June 1, 2000, through Dec. 31, 2001, they concluded that solar storms (over this period) increased the wholesale price of electricity by approximately 3.7 percent or approximately $500 million over the 19 month sample period.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734435</id>
	<title>It's bullshit</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1255460220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anything you find as a "forward-looking" press release on Yahoo finance is pretty dependable to be bullshit.  In fact, there's probably a penny stock being run up right now using this press release as the bogus basis for such a run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything you find as a " forward-looking " press release on Yahoo finance is pretty dependable to be bullshit .
In fact , there 's probably a penny stock being run up right now using this press release as the bogus basis for such a run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything you find as a "forward-looking" press release on Yahoo finance is pretty dependable to be bullshit.
In fact, there's probably a penny stock being run up right now using this press release as the bogus basis for such a run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29735401</id>
	<title>Re:Where?</title>
	<author>weffew...</author>
	<datestamp>1255464780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't the real question, "what does the US Military want to do with 5GW of power at Holloman afb?"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</p><p>Conspiracy theories to the ready...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the real question , " what does the US Military want to do with 5GW of power at Holloman afb ?
" : o ) Conspiracy theories to the ready.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the real question, "what does the US Military want to do with 5GW of power at Holloman afb?
" :o)Conspiracy theories to the ready...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733911</id>
	<title>Re:Your First Premis Is WRONG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see how that can be confusing seeing as how language is completely static and the majority of the world refers to both South and North America together when using the words "America" and "American".<br> <br>

Those damn United Statesmans, thinking they can refer to their own country however they please.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see how that can be confusing seeing as how language is completely static and the majority of the world refers to both South and North America together when using the words " America " and " American " .
Those damn United Statesmans , thinking they can refer to their own country however they please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see how that can be confusing seeing as how language is completely static and the majority of the world refers to both South and North America together when using the words "America" and "American".
Those damn United Statesmans, thinking they can refer to their own country however they please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734183</id>
	<title>Re:I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1255459140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's enough to power THREE flux capacitors at once!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's enough to power THREE flux capacitors at once !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's enough to power THREE flux capacitors at once!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737149</id>
	<title>Texas' power grid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255428420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>(and if anyone gave a crap about texas, they would be invited into one of the other grids already, but obviously they think they are special...)</i></p><p>We *are* special. We've always rejected offers in the past to "join" with the other power grids. Our grid is the best, and most robust of the three. No major blackouts, rolling or otherwise, ever in our history with the exception of localized damage due to weather-related incidents. We've always had the generating capacity to satisfy all our demand in the past with plenty of reserve capacity, and now with all the wind turbine farms being built all over the state, we have such a large surplus capacity that we have to sell it to someone.</p><p>You came off in your snide remark as if Texas somehow needed to get electricity from the other grids, but the reality is completely opposite... that it's the other grids that'll be sucking off our grid whatever we desire to sell to them from our surplus capacity. This new hub is merely the "???" right before the "Profit".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( and if anyone gave a crap about texas , they would be invited into one of the other grids already , but obviously they think they are special... ) We * are * special .
We 've always rejected offers in the past to " join " with the other power grids .
Our grid is the best , and most robust of the three .
No major blackouts , rolling or otherwise , ever in our history with the exception of localized damage due to weather-related incidents .
We 've always had the generating capacity to satisfy all our demand in the past with plenty of reserve capacity , and now with all the wind turbine farms being built all over the state , we have such a large surplus capacity that we have to sell it to someone.You came off in your snide remark as if Texas somehow needed to get electricity from the other grids , but the reality is completely opposite... that it 's the other grids that 'll be sucking off our grid whatever we desire to sell to them from our surplus capacity .
This new hub is merely the " ? ? ?
" right before the " Profit " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(and if anyone gave a crap about texas, they would be invited into one of the other grids already, but obviously they think they are special...)We *are* special.
We've always rejected offers in the past to "join" with the other power grids.
Our grid is the best, and most robust of the three.
No major blackouts, rolling or otherwise, ever in our history with the exception of localized damage due to weather-related incidents.
We've always had the generating capacity to satisfy all our demand in the past with plenty of reserve capacity, and now with all the wind turbine farms being built all over the state, we have such a large surplus capacity that we have to sell it to someone.You came off in your snide remark as if Texas somehow needed to get electricity from the other grids, but the reality is completely opposite... that it's the other grids that'll be sucking off our grid whatever we desire to sell to them from our surplus capacity.
This new hub is merely the "???
" right before the "Profit".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29739847</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1255443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does connecting three previously (more or less) independent power grids produce a single point of failure?  If you blow up this thing you end up with... what exists now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does connecting three previously ( more or less ) independent power grids produce a single point of failure ?
If you blow up this thing you end up with... what exists now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does connecting three previously (more or less) independent power grids produce a single point of failure?
If you blow up this thing you end up with... what exists now.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736735</id>
	<title>Re:blackouts</title>
	<author>jeffstar</author>
	<datestamp>1255427100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>welcome to the real world, where building the perfect system costs more than it is worth and there are physical limitations to what is possible!</p><p>What \% change would you expect the system to be able to handle? Generators are physical spinning machines with inertia, and the mechanical source turning them can also have inertia.  You can't stop them on a dime, that power has to go somewhere.</p><p>Take one of the 17 generators at the hoover dam. 2GW total capacity there, maybe 111 MW per  machine.<br>Power = head x flow x 9.81<br>111 MW = 221m x flow x 9.81<br>you have 51,000 litres per second of water moving through the turbine.</p><p>That water is going through the turbine at 85mph and can't be stopped instantly if there is a sudden huge drop in demand.</p><p>When the electrical load on a generator drops suddenly and the mechanical power in doesn't change, the machine accelerates. If it accelerates indefinitely it flies to pieces, so yeah, they shut them down if they accelerate past a certain speed.</p><p>I know electricity seems like an on/off perfect thing where you can plug in whatever you want where ever you want and it just works, but that is only because what you are plugging in is insignificantly small compared to what is powering it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>welcome to the real world , where building the perfect system costs more than it is worth and there are physical limitations to what is possible ! What \ % change would you expect the system to be able to handle ?
Generators are physical spinning machines with inertia , and the mechanical source turning them can also have inertia .
You ca n't stop them on a dime , that power has to go somewhere.Take one of the 17 generators at the hoover dam .
2GW total capacity there , maybe 111 MW per machine.Power = head x flow x 9.81111 MW = 221m x flow x 9.81you have 51,000 litres per second of water moving through the turbine.That water is going through the turbine at 85mph and ca n't be stopped instantly if there is a sudden huge drop in demand.When the electrical load on a generator drops suddenly and the mechanical power in does n't change , the machine accelerates .
If it accelerates indefinitely it flies to pieces , so yeah , they shut them down if they accelerate past a certain speed.I know electricity seems like an on/off perfect thing where you can plug in whatever you want where ever you want and it just works , but that is only because what you are plugging in is insignificantly small compared to what is powering it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>welcome to the real world, where building the perfect system costs more than it is worth and there are physical limitations to what is possible!What \% change would you expect the system to be able to handle?
Generators are physical spinning machines with inertia, and the mechanical source turning them can also have inertia.
You can't stop them on a dime, that power has to go somewhere.Take one of the 17 generators at the hoover dam.
2GW total capacity there, maybe 111 MW per  machine.Power = head x flow x 9.81111 MW = 221m x flow x 9.81you have 51,000 litres per second of water moving through the turbine.That water is going through the turbine at 85mph and can't be stopped instantly if there is a sudden huge drop in demand.When the electrical load on a generator drops suddenly and the mechanical power in doesn't change, the machine accelerates.
If it accelerates indefinitely it flies to pieces, so yeah, they shut them down if they accelerate past a certain speed.I know electricity seems like an on/off perfect thing where you can plug in whatever you want where ever you want and it just works, but that is only because what you are plugging in is insignificantly small compared to what is powering it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733607</id>
	<title>I love slashdot.</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1255456800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why I come to slashdot!  A technical article with the right units!  5 GW of electricity.  Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW.  Now, that's useful!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I come to slashdot !
A technical article with the right units !
5 GW of electricity .
Not 100,000 volts of electricity , not 50,000 Amps of electricity , but 5 GW .
Now , that 's useful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I come to slashdot!
A technical article with the right units!
5 GW of electricity.
Not 100,000 volts of electricity, not 50,000 Amps of electricity, but 5 GW.
Now, that's useful!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734507</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>othermatt</author>
	<datestamp>1255460460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to dig up the article as to not quote specs out of my ass... but, as of yet, I can't find it... I found someone else referencing something fairly similar to what I read.</p><p>Blah blah blah... Anyway, what I remembered reading was that if we covered roughly 10\% of Nevada's land area (the other post I found claimed it was 10\% of Nevada's Federal land, so even less) with Solar Thermal collectors, we could roughly meet the current contiguous US energy demand. Now, I remember not being able to find out whether they took transmission losses (among other things) into that figure, so that's why I said roughly.</p><p>So, since the interconnect is happening in Sun Central, I could envision good things happening in that area in the way of business and industry since it's also the logical place to build sizable Solar Thermal plants.</p><p>Here's to hoping we plan to move towards the future.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I tried to dig up the article as to not quote specs out of my ass... but , as of yet , I ca n't find it... I found someone else referencing something fairly similar to what I read.Blah blah blah... Anyway , what I remembered reading was that if we covered roughly 10 \ % of Nevada 's land area ( the other post I found claimed it was 10 \ % of Nevada 's Federal land , so even less ) with Solar Thermal collectors , we could roughly meet the current contiguous US energy demand .
Now , I remember not being able to find out whether they took transmission losses ( among other things ) into that figure , so that 's why I said roughly.So , since the interconnect is happening in Sun Central , I could envision good things happening in that area in the way of business and industry since it 's also the logical place to build sizable Solar Thermal plants.Here 's to hoping we plan to move towards the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to dig up the article as to not quote specs out of my ass... but, as of yet, I can't find it... I found someone else referencing something fairly similar to what I read.Blah blah blah... Anyway, what I remembered reading was that if we covered roughly 10\% of Nevada's land area (the other post I found claimed it was 10\% of Nevada's Federal land, so even less) with Solar Thermal collectors, we could roughly meet the current contiguous US energy demand.
Now, I remember not being able to find out whether they took transmission losses (among other things) into that figure, so that's why I said roughly.So, since the interconnect is happening in Sun Central, I could envision good things happening in that area in the way of business and industry since it's also the logical place to build sizable Solar Thermal plants.Here's to hoping we plan to move towards the future.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734125</id>
	<title>And this couldn't be done with copper because</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1255458900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...</p><p>Just wondering why superconductors suddenly make this feasable. 20 square miles just doesn't resolve to a very big number when looking at the length of the wire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Just wondering why superconductors suddenly make this feasable .
20 square miles just does n't resolve to a very big number when looking at the length of the wire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Just wondering why superconductors suddenly make this feasable.
20 square miles just doesn't resolve to a very big number when looking at the length of the wire.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29733857</id>
	<title>Re:Four words:</title>
	<author>Deosyne</author>
	<datestamp>1255457940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh no, they've disabled our ability to sell electricity from one grid to another!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh no , they 've disabled our ability to sell electricity from one grid to another !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh no, they've disabled our ability to sell electricity from one grid to another!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29740463</id>
	<title>Re:Very nice, but...</title>
	<author>budgenator</author>
	<datestamp>1255448640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism. Should one power station fail, there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery, and again a more stable grid. This is not the case here however, being DC, no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure. This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.</p><p>I may be naive in saying this next point, however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country. Say it's a windy day at a wind farm, now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy, and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead.</p></div><p>The inverters will automatically synchronize with the existing grid frequency and phase, this is robust technology, it is even used in wind turbines to allow them to sync with the grid no matter how fast the turbine is spinning. Also I think your under-estimating the enormity of the system it will basically allow power to flow from the East coast of North America to the West coast. For example the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems\_powerline\_crossing" title="wikipedia.org">Ems powerline crossing</a> [wikipedia.org] consists of 2 389KV circuits; in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast\_Blackout\_of\_2003#Sequence\_of\_events" title="wikipedia.org">Northeast Blackout of 2003</a> [wikipedia.org] we lost 10 345KV lines, 2 240KV lines and about 20 138KV lines.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism .
Should one power station fail , there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery , and again a more stable grid .
This is not the case here however , being DC , no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure .
This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.I may be naive in saying this next point , however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country .
Say it 's a windy day at a wind farm , now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy , and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead.The inverters will automatically synchronize with the existing grid frequency and phase , this is robust technology , it is even used in wind turbines to allow them to sync with the grid no matter how fast the turbine is spinning .
Also I think your under-estimating the enormity of the system it will basically allow power to flow from the East coast of North America to the West coast .
For example the Ems powerline crossing [ wikipedia.org ] consists of 2 389KV circuits ; in the Northeast Blackout of 2003 [ wikipedia.org ] we lost 10 345KV lines , 2 240KV lines and about 20 138KV lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it were an AC connection it would allow for more distributed automatic load-frequency mechanism.
Should one power station fail, there will be more power stations available across the board to ramp up their generation resulting in a faster recovery, and again a more stable grid.
This is not the case here however, being DC, no standard distributed load frequency mechanism exists making it harder for the other grids to rescue the one with the failure.
This does however reduce the risk of a cascading failure.I may be naive in saying this next point, however it should hopefully make electricity cheaper by allowing it to be used from the cheapest source available across the country.
Say it's a windy day at a wind farm, now the whole country will be able to benefit from the cheaper energy, and on a calm day the standard sources can be used instead.The inverters will automatically synchronize with the existing grid frequency and phase, this is robust technology, it is even used in wind turbines to allow them to sync with the grid no matter how fast the turbine is spinning.
Also I think your under-estimating the enormity of the system it will basically allow power to flow from the East coast of North America to the West coast.
For example the Ems powerline crossing [wikipedia.org] consists of 2 389KV circuits; in the Northeast Blackout of 2003 [wikipedia.org] we lost 10 345KV lines, 2 240KV lines and about 20 138KV lines.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734845</id>
	<title>Re:Uh.. Roswell?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255461960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yes there it is! It's coming across the golden gate!<br>This is a live picture from San Francisco!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes there it is !
It 's coming across the golden gate ! This is a live picture from San Francisco !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes there it is!
It's coming across the golden gate!This is a live picture from San Francisco!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734399</id>
	<title>Regulation, not technology drives this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255460100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The article does not make clear the regulatory status of this interconnect other than to say application has been made to the FERC (the US federal regulator of transmission).   Historically, the Electrical Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) has scrupulously avoided interconnection with other electric grids specifically to avoid becoming subject to regulation by the FERC (interconnection outside of Texas ==&gt; interstate commerce in electricity ==&gt; federal regulation).  Tres Amiga LLC appears to be trying to finesse this by making the inter-tie DC only and thus avoiding the AC synchronization of ERCOT with the rest of the world.  The technology to interconnect ERCOT has existed for 50+ years; it is primarily the Texans who don't want the federales messin' with their 'lecticity that have prevented the ERCOT interconnection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article does not make clear the regulatory status of this interconnect other than to say application has been made to the FERC ( the US federal regulator of transmission ) .
Historically , the Electrical Reliability Council of Texas ( ERCOT ) has scrupulously avoided interconnection with other electric grids specifically to avoid becoming subject to regulation by the FERC ( interconnection outside of Texas = = &gt; interstate commerce in electricity = = &gt; federal regulation ) .
Tres Amiga LLC appears to be trying to finesse this by making the inter-tie DC only and thus avoiding the AC synchronization of ERCOT with the rest of the world .
The technology to interconnect ERCOT has existed for 50 + years ; it is primarily the Texans who do n't want the federales messin ' with their 'lecticity that have prevented the ERCOT interconnection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article does not make clear the regulatory status of this interconnect other than to say application has been made to the FERC (the US federal regulator of transmission).
Historically, the Electrical Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) has scrupulously avoided interconnection with other electric grids specifically to avoid becoming subject to regulation by the FERC (interconnection outside of Texas ==&gt; interstate commerce in electricity ==&gt; federal regulation).
Tres Amiga LLC appears to be trying to finesse this by making the inter-tie DC only and thus avoiding the AC synchronization of ERCOT with the rest of the world.
The technology to interconnect ERCOT has existed for 50+ years; it is primarily the Texans who don't want the federales messin' with their 'lecticity that have prevented the ERCOT interconnection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29736425</id>
	<title>Re:Technical questions</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1255425840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor...</p><p>Power equals volts times amps and to transmit 5 GW requires lots of both. If you go up in voltage, then you have insulation challenges. Large currents produce tremendous I^2R heat losses. To build a conventional transmission line capable of transmitting that kind of power over even a few miles is nearly impossible technologically.</p><p>If this superconductor can carry a large current, cooling it with liquid nitrogen is well within current technology. Liquid nitrogen is cheap and readily available. On the other hand, if it has to be cooled with liquid helium, such as the magnets in the LHC, that even is still doable, but at considerably higher expense.</p><p>The problem with renewable energy, is that it is intermittent and usually available in places where there are not too many customers. This means that the energy has to be transported to its users. Electricity is hard to store and transmit, it has to be generated as consumed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor...Power equals volts times amps and to transmit 5 GW requires lots of both .
If you go up in voltage , then you have insulation challenges .
Large currents produce tremendous I ^ 2R heat losses .
To build a conventional transmission line capable of transmitting that kind of power over even a few miles is nearly impossible technologically.If this superconductor can carry a large current , cooling it with liquid nitrogen is well within current technology .
Liquid nitrogen is cheap and readily available .
On the other hand , if it has to be cooled with liquid helium , such as the magnets in the LHC , that even is still doable , but at considerably higher expense.The problem with renewable energy , is that it is intermittent and usually available in places where there are not too many customers .
This means that the energy has to be transported to its users .
Electricity is hard to store and transmit , it has to be generated as consumed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...One major issue right off the bat is how much of the efficiency gained by using the superconductor...Power equals volts times amps and to transmit 5 GW requires lots of both.
If you go up in voltage, then you have insulation challenges.
Large currents produce tremendous I^2R heat losses.
To build a conventional transmission line capable of transmitting that kind of power over even a few miles is nearly impossible technologically.If this superconductor can carry a large current, cooling it with liquid nitrogen is well within current technology.
Liquid nitrogen is cheap and readily available.
On the other hand, if it has to be cooled with liquid helium, such as the magnets in the LHC, that even is still doable, but at considerably higher expense.The problem with renewable energy, is that it is intermittent and usually available in places where there are not too many customers.
This means that the energy has to be transported to its users.
Electricity is hard to store and transmit, it has to be generated as consumed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734755</id>
	<title>Re:Let's hope it brings new life to New Mexico</title>
	<author>Admiral\_Grinder</author>
	<datestamp>1255461600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I haven't lived there in some time (10 years), but the area is still going strong.  The part you stop at is probably along the highway that runs through there.  That area has been on the decline for some time as new development has shifted to the north end of town.  The towns population is 30,000 which if the base does close, wouldn't spell the end of the town.  At that size, most of the economy is generated in the town itself and not from the base.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't lived there in some time ( 10 years ) , but the area is still going strong .
The part you stop at is probably along the highway that runs through there .
That area has been on the decline for some time as new development has shifted to the north end of town .
The towns population is 30,000 which if the base does close , would n't spell the end of the town .
At that size , most of the economy is generated in the town itself and not from the base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't lived there in some time (10 years), but the area is still going strong.
The part you stop at is probably along the highway that runs through there.
That area has been on the decline for some time as new development has shifted to the north end of town.
The towns population is 30,000 which if the base does close, wouldn't spell the end of the town.
At that size, most of the economy is generated in the town itself and not from the base.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29741921</id>
	<title>We already ship vastly more than 5GW</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1255553700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Far further than the 5-10 miles this connector is talking about using copper, or aluminium.<br>Most of the energy losses are at the power station not in the wires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Far further than the 5-10 miles this connector is talking about using copper , or aluminium.Most of the energy losses are at the power station not in the wires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Far further than the 5-10 miles this connector is talking about using copper, or aluminium.Most of the energy losses are at the power station not in the wires.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734869</id>
	<title>Re:blackouts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255462020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't really know, but how many plants can little ole TX have, anyway?</p></div><p>A lot more than you might think.  Wikipedia fails me for the numbers, but Texas is fairly self-sufficient when it comes to energy production.  They're also tied into the Mexican power grid.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't really know , but how many plants can little ole TX have , anyway ? A lot more than you might think .
Wikipedia fails me for the numbers , but Texas is fairly self-sufficient when it comes to energy production .
They 're also tied into the Mexican power grid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't really know, but how many plants can little ole TX have, anyway?A lot more than you might think.
Wikipedia fails me for the numbers, but Texas is fairly self-sufficient when it comes to energy production.
They're also tied into the Mexican power grid.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29734855</id>
	<title>Re:blackouts</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1255461960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only there was a way of preventing surges from doing this.  Perhaps a "box" with some things that might "break" if the power load becomes too great.  That would protect both ends of the circuit, and prevent frying the line.  Heck, that might be handy to install in my own house, right where the power mains come in....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only there was a way of preventing surges from doing this .
Perhaps a " box " with some things that might " break " if the power load becomes too great .
That would protect both ends of the circuit , and prevent frying the line .
Heck , that might be handy to install in my own house , right where the power mains come in... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only there was a way of preventing surges from doing this.
Perhaps a "box" with some things that might "break" if the power load becomes too great.
That would protect both ends of the circuit, and prevent frying the line.
Heck, that might be handy to install in my own house, right where the power mains come in....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_1647215.29737749</id>
	<title>Re:Technical questions</title>
	<author>Captain Segfault</author>
	<datestamp>1255430640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note that superconductors are, in a way, inherently <i>easier</i> to cool, because they don't generate resistive heat. All you need to do is cool them enough to take away the heat they gain from the environment, which you can mitigate with insulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that superconductors are , in a way , inherently easier to cool , because they do n't generate resistive heat .
All you need to do is cool them enough to take away the heat they gain from the environment , which you can mitigate with insulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that superconductors are, in a way, inherently easier to cool, because they don't generate resistive heat.
All you need to do is cool them enough to take away the heat they gain from the environment, which you can mitigate with insulation.</sentencetext>
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