<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_12_2259228</id>
	<title>Major Snow Leopard Bug Said To Delete User Data</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1255348740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>inglishmayjer was one of several readers to send in the news of a major bug in Apple's new OS, 10.6 Snow Leopard, that can <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/snow\_leopard\_data\_eating\_bug/">wipe out all user data</a> for the administrator account. It is said to be triggered &mdash; not every time &mdash; by logging in to the Guest account and then back in to the admin account. Some users are reporting that all settings have been reset and most data is gone. The article links to a number of Apple forum threads up to a month old bemoaning the problem. MacFixIt suggests <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727\_7-10346974-263.html">disabling login on the Guest account</a> and, if you need that functionality, creating a non-administrative account named something like Visitor. (The Guest account is special in that its settings are wiped clean after logout.) CNet reports that Apple has <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021\_3-10373064-260.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1\_3-0-20">acknowledged the bug</a> and is working on a fix.</htmltext>
<tokenext>inglishmayjer was one of several readers to send in the news of a major bug in Apple 's new OS , 10.6 Snow Leopard , that can wipe out all user data for the administrator account .
It is said to be triggered    not every time    by logging in to the Guest account and then back in to the admin account .
Some users are reporting that all settings have been reset and most data is gone .
The article links to a number of Apple forum threads up to a month old bemoaning the problem .
MacFixIt suggests disabling login on the Guest account and , if you need that functionality , creating a non-administrative account named something like Visitor .
( The Guest account is special in that its settings are wiped clean after logout .
) CNet reports that Apple has acknowledged the bug and is working on a fix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>inglishmayjer was one of several readers to send in the news of a major bug in Apple's new OS, 10.6 Snow Leopard, that can wipe out all user data for the administrator account.
It is said to be triggered — not every time — by logging in to the Guest account and then back in to the admin account.
Some users are reporting that all settings have been reset and most data is gone.
The article links to a number of Apple forum threads up to a month old bemoaning the problem.
MacFixIt suggests disabling login on the Guest account and, if you need that functionality, creating a non-administrative account named something like Visitor.
(The Guest account is special in that its settings are wiped clean after logout.
) CNet reports that Apple has acknowledged the bug and is working on a fix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728297</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255366500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are? If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.</i></p><p>I hear this often and it's nonsense. How often do bridges get built to highly variable designs? How often does user sofware make as much money as the construction of a bridge? How much did you pay for your last bridge? Would you like sofware to cost as much?? (Avionics software is built to that level of quality. Care to have your desktop OS cost as much?) How old is the software industry compared to bridge building? How variable are software problems compared to bridge problems? Oh and by the way there have been some catastrophic bridge failures.</p><p>It's a terrible analogy and awful reasoning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers ( Civil , Electrical , Mechanical ) are ?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design , or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed , people head to their local courthouse and sue.I hear this often and it 's nonsense .
How often do bridges get built to highly variable designs ?
How often does user sofware make as much money as the construction of a bridge ?
How much did you pay for your last bridge ?
Would you like sofware to cost as much ? ?
( Avionics software is built to that level of quality .
Care to have your desktop OS cost as much ?
) How old is the software industry compared to bridge building ?
How variable are software problems compared to bridge problems ?
Oh and by the way there have been some catastrophic bridge failures.It 's a terrible analogy and awful reasoning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.I hear this often and it's nonsense.
How often do bridges get built to highly variable designs?
How often does user sofware make as much money as the construction of a bridge?
How much did you pay for your last bridge?
Would you like sofware to cost as much??
(Avionics software is built to that level of quality.
Care to have your desktop OS cost as much?
) How old is the software industry compared to bridge building?
How variable are software problems compared to bridge problems?
Oh and by the way there have been some catastrophic bridge failures.It's a terrible analogy and awful reasoning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728897</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Com2Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1255373760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke.</p></div></blockquote><p>Please tell me you are trolling or just joking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke.Please tell me you are trolling or just joking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke.Please tell me you are trolling or just joking.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726561</id>
	<title>This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it, fortunately. Hopefully they'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.</p><p>Having said that, I'd like to ask the affected people why they weren't backing their systems up. When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it, it's pretty damned stupid to not use it.</p><p>~Philly</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it , fortunately .
Hopefully they 'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.Having said that , I 'd like to ask the affected people why they were n't backing their systems up .
When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it , it 's pretty damned stupid to not use it. ~ Philly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it, fortunately.
Hopefully they'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.Having said that, I'd like to ask the affected people why they weren't backing their systems up.
When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it, it's pretty damned stupid to not use it.~Philly</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727211</id>
	<title>Ha-ha Windows users</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1255357200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can't get a virus or trojans or....hey, where did my data go?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't get a virus or trojans or....hey , where did my data go ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't get a virus or trojans or....hey, where did my data go?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727291</id>
	<title>Re:Hi, I'm a Mac!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255357980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, this bug is not surprising.   if MS were marketing to a technical crowd, the file system would be what they attacked. The file system in Mac OS X does suck a lot.  Copying to USB drives takes forever. Encrypted volumes, with filevault, are very fragile.  Network access is often very slow.  IDisk has a habit of just flaking out.
<p>
To be fair, some of these are things that MS Windows does not do natively, so it is unclear how MS would leverage this error. In any case, since MS seems to market their product on cheapness, not quality, it isn't really an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , this bug is not surprising .
if MS were marketing to a technical crowd , the file system would be what they attacked .
The file system in Mac OS X does suck a lot .
Copying to USB drives takes forever .
Encrypted volumes , with filevault , are very fragile .
Network access is often very slow .
IDisk has a habit of just flaking out .
To be fair , some of these are things that MS Windows does not do natively , so it is unclear how MS would leverage this error .
In any case , since MS seems to market their product on cheapness , not quality , it is n't really an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, this bug is not surprising.
if MS were marketing to a technical crowd, the file system would be what they attacked.
The file system in Mac OS X does suck a lot.
Copying to USB drives takes forever.
Encrypted volumes, with filevault, are very fragile.
Network access is often very slow.
IDisk has a habit of just flaking out.
To be fair, some of these are things that MS Windows does not do natively, so it is unclear how MS would leverage this error.
In any case, since MS seems to market their product on cheapness, not quality, it isn't really an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726859</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not true.</p><p>an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.</p><p>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup (aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).</p><p>I'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions (aka when you're not logged in as an user with admin permissions) and it proceeds to nuke files the user doesn't have "permission" to touch.</p><p>so much for "security"<br>man...just imagine what those aliens could have down in ID4 if Jeff Goldblum had upgraded his mac from Leopard to Snow Leopard and had Guest Account enabled since Leopard....yah....we would've been screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not true.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account " feature " active.funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility ( Time Machine ) failed the last backup ( aka... " set it and forget it " is flawed ) .I 'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions ( aka when you 're not logged in as an user with admin permissions ) and it proceeds to nuke files the user does n't have " permission " to touch.so much for " security " man...just imagine what those aliens could have down in ID4 if Jeff Goldblum had upgraded his mac from Leopard to Snow Leopard and had Guest Account enabled since Leopard....yah....we would 've been screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not true.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup (aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).I'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions (aka when you're not logged in as an user with admin permissions) and it proceeds to nuke files the user doesn't have "permission" to touch.so much for "security"man...just imagine what those aliens could have down in ID4 if Jeff Goldblum had upgraded his mac from Leopard to Snow Leopard and had Guest Account enabled since Leopard....yah....we would've been screwed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728077</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>atheistmonk</author>
	<datestamp>1255364220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like the best way to protect data from its natural predator; the Snow Leopard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the best way to protect data from its natural predator ; the Snow Leopard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like the best way to protect data from its natural predator; the Snow Leopard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728159</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1255364880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see any evidence of apologism or Apple getting a free pass. Whenever Apple screws up, they're instantly on the front page of Slashdot, Digg, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any evidence of apologism or Apple getting a free pass .
Whenever Apple screws up , they 're instantly on the front page of Slashdot , Digg , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any evidence of apologism or Apple getting a free pass.
Whenever Apple screws up, they're instantly on the front page of Slashdot, Digg, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726777</id>
	<title>Data recovery?</title>
	<author>Mistakill</author>
	<datestamp>1255354200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know  there are many data recovery options you can use with Windows drives... but as a Windows user, could someone tell me if theres anything for Macs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know there are many data recovery options you can use with Windows drives... but as a Windows user , could someone tell me if theres anything for Macs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know  there are many data recovery options you can use with Windows drives... but as a Windows user, could someone tell me if theres anything for Macs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727337</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Jeremi</author>
	<datestamp>1255358340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Crash all you want, but never, ever, ever harm, corrupt and by all that's holy, NEVER delete the user's data.</i></p><p>Except that if you are going to guarantee that you'll never corrupt or delete the user's data, then you have to guarantee that your program's behavior is well-defined.  And usually programs that crash are crashing because they contain errors that lead to undefined behavior.</p><p>So if you want to be sure not to corrupt anything, you pretty much aren't allowed to crash either.  (note:  even if your program never writes to the disk, if it's buggy it might be vulnerable to a code injection attack that would cause it to write to the disk...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Crash all you want , but never , ever , ever harm , corrupt and by all that 's holy , NEVER delete the user 's data.Except that if you are going to guarantee that you 'll never corrupt or delete the user 's data , then you have to guarantee that your program 's behavior is well-defined .
And usually programs that crash are crashing because they contain errors that lead to undefined behavior.So if you want to be sure not to corrupt anything , you pretty much are n't allowed to crash either .
( note : even if your program never writes to the disk , if it 's buggy it might be vulnerable to a code injection attack that would cause it to write to the disk... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Crash all you want, but never, ever, ever harm, corrupt and by all that's holy, NEVER delete the user's data.Except that if you are going to guarantee that you'll never corrupt or delete the user's data, then you have to guarantee that your program's behavior is well-defined.
And usually programs that crash are crashing because they contain errors that lead to undefined behavior.So if you want to be sure not to corrupt anything, you pretty much aren't allowed to crash either.
(note:  even if your program never writes to the disk, if it's buggy it might be vulnerable to a code injection attack that would cause it to write to the disk...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728825</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>NateTech</author>
	<datestamp>1255372440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hope and Change!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope and Change !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope and Change!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730401</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255439520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's normally not done, but you should really read a ULAU:</p><p>9. Limitation of Liability.</p><p>I can't seem to quote the rest. The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. filter doesn't like it: "Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING."</p><p>http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's normally not done , but you should really read a ULAU : 9 .
Limitation of Liability.I ca n't seem to quote the rest .
The / .
filter does n't like it : " Filter error : Do n't use so many caps .
It 's like YELLING .
" http : //images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's normally not done, but you should really read a ULAU:9.
Limitation of Liability.I can't seem to quote the rest.
The /.
filter doesn't like it: "Filter error: Don't use so many caps.
It's like YELLING.
"http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726919</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255355100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them..</p></div><p>Never underestimate the power of shiny.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them..Never underestimate the power of shiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them..Never underestimate the power of shiny.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728811</id>
	<title>Re:I don't want to feed the trolls but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255372200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same way that iTunes made it out the door with a new "feature" where it grabs the Play/Pause functionality of any multimedia keys, regardless of what apps are already open and using them. Yes, you read that right. It's actually a feature. I use Cogx for a media player (since Apple refuses to support FLAC/OGG with iTunes), and so Apple's clever strategy to fix that was to force iTunes to open any time I use my media keys. It made it through the 10.6.1 update without being patched, and Apple has made it pretty clear they just don't care about the complaints.</p><p>It's clearly not a bug. It's a feature. And it's pissing me off as a first time Mac owner/user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same way that iTunes made it out the door with a new " feature " where it grabs the Play/Pause functionality of any multimedia keys , regardless of what apps are already open and using them .
Yes , you read that right .
It 's actually a feature .
I use Cogx for a media player ( since Apple refuses to support FLAC/OGG with iTunes ) , and so Apple 's clever strategy to fix that was to force iTunes to open any time I use my media keys .
It made it through the 10.6.1 update without being patched , and Apple has made it pretty clear they just do n't care about the complaints.It 's clearly not a bug .
It 's a feature .
And it 's pissing me off as a first time Mac owner/user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same way that iTunes made it out the door with a new "feature" where it grabs the Play/Pause functionality of any multimedia keys, regardless of what apps are already open and using them.
Yes, you read that right.
It's actually a feature.
I use Cogx for a media player (since Apple refuses to support FLAC/OGG with iTunes), and so Apple's clever strategy to fix that was to force iTunes to open any time I use my media keys.
It made it through the 10.6.1 update without being patched, and Apple has made it pretty clear they just don't care about the complaints.It's clearly not a bug.
It's a feature.
And it's pissing me off as a first time Mac owner/user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726615</id>
	<title>data security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I've come to accept that maybe Macs can get viruses. Possibly.</p><p>But see it doesn't matter because Macs don't NEED viruses! So there!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 've come to accept that maybe Macs can get viruses .
Possibly.But see it does n't matter because Macs do n't NEED viruses !
So there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I've come to accept that maybe Macs can get viruses.
Possibly.But see it doesn't matter because Macs don't NEED viruses!
So there!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726629</id>
	<title>I don't want to feed the trolls but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does something like this make it out of the door?  Is this happening on machines that have been upgraded, on fresh installs, or across all platforms.  It seems like someone somewhere in the R&amp;D and beta phases should have come across this a lot sooner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does something like this make it out of the door ?
Is this happening on machines that have been upgraded , on fresh installs , or across all platforms .
It seems like someone somewhere in the R&amp;D and beta phases should have come across this a lot sooner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does something like this make it out of the door?
Is this happening on machines that have been upgraded, on fresh installs, or across all platforms.
It seems like someone somewhere in the R&amp;D and beta phases should have come across this a lot sooner.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728915</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Imagix</author>
	<datestamp>1255374000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you willing to pay for the proofs of the program's correctness?  And then prove it's correctness in the presence of failing hardware?  Hint: it wouldn't be cheap, nor would it be fast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you willing to pay for the proofs of the program 's correctness ?
And then prove it 's correctness in the presence of failing hardware ?
Hint : it would n't be cheap , nor would it be fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you willing to pay for the proofs of the program's correctness?
And then prove it's correctness in the presence of failing hardware?
Hint: it wouldn't be cheap, nor would it be fast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727901</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255362660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep.  I just recently purchased my first mac to test it out.   It came with Snow Leopard.   Good to know that previous releases weren't this buggy.   I would say it probably isn't as stable as MS Windows (although I don't have much experience with that either) and it certainly is nowhere near as stable as Linux.   Very pretty interface, but needs a lot of work.   Besides being a very attractive looking interface, I can say the TCP/IP stack seems to be near flawless    Hopefully updates will be coming out soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
I just recently purchased my first mac to test it out .
It came with Snow Leopard .
Good to know that previous releases were n't this buggy .
I would say it probably is n't as stable as MS Windows ( although I do n't have much experience with that either ) and it certainly is nowhere near as stable as Linux .
Very pretty interface , but needs a lot of work .
Besides being a very attractive looking interface , I can say the TCP/IP stack seems to be near flawless Hopefully updates will be coming out soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
I just recently purchased my first mac to test it out.
It came with Snow Leopard.
Good to know that previous releases weren't this buggy.
I would say it probably isn't as stable as MS Windows (although I don't have much experience with that either) and it certainly is nowhere near as stable as Linux.
Very pretty interface, but needs a lot of work.
Besides being a very attractive looking interface, I can say the TCP/IP stack seems to be near flawless    Hopefully updates will be coming out soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726665</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729577</id>
	<title>can we trust desktop computing?</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1255427520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this sort of disaster shows that one simply can't trust desktop computing.  You should put your data in the cloud instead, where knowledgeable and careful companies like Microsoft take care of the backups for you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this sort of disaster shows that one simply ca n't trust desktop computing .
You should put your data in the cloud instead , where knowledgeable and careful companies like Microsoft take care of the backups for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this sort of disaster shows that one simply can't trust desktop computing.
You should put your data in the cloud instead, where knowledgeable and careful companies like Microsoft take care of the backups for you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727029</id>
	<title>The reason many things suck these days</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1255355940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because their marketing department runs the rest of the company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because their marketing department runs the rest of the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because their marketing department runs the rest of the company.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29733959</id>
	<title>I just want a stable operating system!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255458240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I just want a stable operating system without bugs or hassles! "</p><p>They kind of look like assholes now, considering the current situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I just want a stable operating system without bugs or hassles !
" They kind of look like assholes now , considering the current situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I just want a stable operating system without bugs or hassles!
"They kind of look like assholes now, considering the current situation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727547</id>
	<title>Re:Hi, I'm a Mac!</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1255359900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually there is a reason why a person logs into a guest account and then later into an administrative account. The guest account can be used to make sure that nothing on the Internet gets installed and that all web browser private data gets deleted when the guest account logs out of Mac OSX. Logging in with the Administrator account after the Guest account would be to install some program found on the web or tweak OSX settings that only an administrator can do like run an OSX software update or something.</p><p>As a programmer sometimes I need different accounts with different profiles to test things out with different settings. It is good to know how a program works for a guest account or an administrator account, or an account with different group policies or file access. That way I can work out my programs to work for all sorts of different type of users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually there is a reason why a person logs into a guest account and then later into an administrative account .
The guest account can be used to make sure that nothing on the Internet gets installed and that all web browser private data gets deleted when the guest account logs out of Mac OSX .
Logging in with the Administrator account after the Guest account would be to install some program found on the web or tweak OSX settings that only an administrator can do like run an OSX software update or something.As a programmer sometimes I need different accounts with different profiles to test things out with different settings .
It is good to know how a program works for a guest account or an administrator account , or an account with different group policies or file access .
That way I can work out my programs to work for all sorts of different type of users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually there is a reason why a person logs into a guest account and then later into an administrative account.
The guest account can be used to make sure that nothing on the Internet gets installed and that all web browser private data gets deleted when the guest account logs out of Mac OSX.
Logging in with the Administrator account after the Guest account would be to install some program found on the web or tweak OSX settings that only an administrator can do like run an OSX software update or something.As a programmer sometimes I need different accounts with different profiles to test things out with different settings.
It is good to know how a program works for a guest account or an administrator account, or an account with different group policies or file access.
That way I can work out my programs to work for all sorts of different type of users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726763</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726543</id>
	<title>Butbutbut...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is Apple! Steve Jobs can do no wrong! I spent $2100 on this machine! Windows sucks... Omg omg omg!!11!!!!1! I need justification... Absolution... Microsoft sucks! I love Apple!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is Apple !
Steve Jobs can do no wrong !
I spent $ 2100 on this machine !
Windows sucks... Omg omg omg ! ! 11 ! ! ! ! 1 !
I need justification... Absolution... Microsoft sucks !
I love Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is Apple!
Steve Jobs can do no wrong!
I spent $2100 on this machine!
Windows sucks... Omg omg omg!!11!!!!1!
I need justification... Absolution... Microsoft sucks!
I love Apple!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727959</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255363140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GP also misuses the phrase "begs the question".</p><p>They are either a complete and utter fuckwit, or making an ironic statement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GP also misuses the phrase " begs the question " .They are either a complete and utter fuckwit , or making an ironic statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GP also misuses the phrase "begs the question".They are either a complete and utter fuckwit, or making an ironic statement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727531</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29733317</id>
	<title>Re:APPLE! FIX THIS BUG TOO!</title>
	<author>maccodemonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255455420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Runs faster, better, stronger for me on my two Mac Pros, Macbook and my Macbook Pro, I don't see any messages like that in the logs.

Googling turns up that it's likely a firmware issue with the drives on the new unibody Macbook Pros, which I'm assuming you have. Safari can't lock up the whole system, but a drive issue could, which makes sense. And supposedly Apple is working on a fix.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Runs faster , better , stronger for me on my two Mac Pros , Macbook and my Macbook Pro , I do n't see any messages like that in the logs .
Googling turns up that it 's likely a firmware issue with the drives on the new unibody Macbook Pros , which I 'm assuming you have .
Safari ca n't lock up the whole system , but a drive issue could , which makes sense .
And supposedly Apple is working on a fix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Runs faster, better, stronger for me on my two Mac Pros, Macbook and my Macbook Pro, I don't see any messages like that in the logs.
Googling turns up that it's likely a firmware issue with the drives on the new unibody Macbook Pros, which I'm assuming you have.
Safari can't lock up the whole system, but a drive issue could, which makes sense.
And supposedly Apple is working on a fix.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29753879</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255547940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, I'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got "activated" in a previous patch. </p></div><p>The guest account must be enabled for login for this bug to affect you (the default is for the guest account to be disabled for login, but enabled for data sharing, which wouldn't trigger this bug).  I'm leery about believing your anecdote that a patch enabled this, as my Mac's that had Leopard loaded for two years (and constantly updated with apple supplied patches) never had this account enabled for login.  But your points that this needs to get fixed ASAP are spot on though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , I 'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got " activated " in a previous patch .
The guest account must be enabled for login for this bug to affect you ( the default is for the guest account to be disabled for login , but enabled for data sharing , which would n't trigger this bug ) .
I 'm leery about believing your anecdote that a patch enabled this , as my Mac 's that had Leopard loaded for two years ( and constantly updated with apple supplied patches ) never had this account enabled for login .
But your points that this needs to get fixed ASAP are spot on though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, I'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got "activated" in a previous patch.
The guest account must be enabled for login for this bug to affect you (the default is for the guest account to be disabled for login, but enabled for data sharing, which wouldn't trigger this bug).
I'm leery about believing your anecdote that a patch enabled this, as my Mac's that had Leopard loaded for two years (and constantly updated with apple supplied patches) never had this account enabled for login.
But your points that this needs to get fixed ASAP are spot on though.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726879</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727497</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, I can't finish to understand Mac users. Whenever something happens in Windows, it's Microsoft's fault, whenever something happens in Mac, it's certainly user incompetence. Yet, they rather blame themselves, before admitting something is wrong with the system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I ca n't finish to understand Mac users .
Whenever something happens in Windows , it 's Microsoft 's fault , whenever something happens in Mac , it 's certainly user incompetence .
Yet , they rather blame themselves , before admitting something is wrong with the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I can't finish to understand Mac users.
Whenever something happens in Windows, it's Microsoft's fault, whenever something happens in Mac, it's certainly user incompetence.
Yet, they rather blame themselves, before admitting something is wrong with the system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726865</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727973</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1255363260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fanboys aside, Apple certainly isn't getting a pass from users that are being affected or the general "community" at large.  Lots of them are pissed.  There just aren't very many of them that got affected as far as I can tell.  Fanboys, on the other hand, are fanboys, and I'm not sure if you can say one group of fanboys is more annoying than another.  As one using Linux predominately, Linux fanboys annoy me more than any other, but obviously it's a highly subjective matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fanboys aside , Apple certainly is n't getting a pass from users that are being affected or the general " community " at large .
Lots of them are pissed .
There just are n't very many of them that got affected as far as I can tell .
Fanboys , on the other hand , are fanboys , and I 'm not sure if you can say one group of fanboys is more annoying than another .
As one using Linux predominately , Linux fanboys annoy me more than any other , but obviously it 's a highly subjective matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fanboys aside, Apple certainly isn't getting a pass from users that are being affected or the general "community" at large.
Lots of them are pissed.
There just aren't very many of them that got affected as far as I can tell.
Fanboys, on the other hand, are fanboys, and I'm not sure if you can say one group of fanboys is more annoying than another.
As one using Linux predominately, Linux fanboys annoy me more than any other, but obviously it's a highly subjective matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726837</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728893</id>
	<title>Ahh</title>
	<author>vinson</author>
	<datestamp>1255373640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this is how they were able to save 6GB on every upgrade.  Nice!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is how they were able to save 6GB on every upgrade .
Nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is how they were able to save 6GB on every upgrade.
Nice!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729977</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft's next action . . .</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1255433820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Data Protection? Sounds like another DRM scheme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Data Protection ?
Sounds like another DRM scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Data Protection?
Sounds like another DRM scheme.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728443</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29735423</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>cstacy</author>
	<datestamp>1255464840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?</p></div><p>Yes, because Time Machine is silently deleting user's data, also!</p><p><a href="http://rondam.blogspot.com/2009/09/time-machine-time-bomb.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rondam.blogspot.com/2009/09/time-machine-time-bomb.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p><p>(I am not running Snow Leopard yet, but mentioned this bug to a friend who upgraded and was playing around with hard drives, and indeed, he discovered that he lost most of his backups for the year!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers ? Yes , because Time Machine is silently deleting user 's data , also ! http : //rondam.blogspot.com/2009/09/time-machine-time-bomb.html [ blogspot.com ] ( I am not running Snow Leopard yet , but mentioned this bug to a friend who upgraded and was playing around with hard drives , and indeed , he discovered that he lost most of his backups for the year !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?Yes, because Time Machine is silently deleting user's data, also!http://rondam.blogspot.com/2009/09/time-machine-time-bomb.html [blogspot.com](I am not running Snow Leopard yet, but mentioned this bug to a friend who upgraded and was playing around with hard drives, and indeed, he discovered that he lost most of his backups for the year!
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726855</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is this miraculous automatic backup scheme? The only options I can think of for genuinely automatic backups are either:</p><p>a) Attach an external drive and leave it on<br>b) Online storage</p><p>A is vulnerable to common-cause failures (though still better than nothing - it's what I use and it's saved my arse once already) and B is impractical unless you have a small amount of data or an unusually fast internet connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is this miraculous automatic backup scheme ?
The only options I can think of for genuinely automatic backups are either : a ) Attach an external drive and leave it onb ) Online storageA is vulnerable to common-cause failures ( though still better than nothing - it 's what I use and it 's saved my arse once already ) and B is impractical unless you have a small amount of data or an unusually fast internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is this miraculous automatic backup scheme?
The only options I can think of for genuinely automatic backups are either:a) Attach an external drive and leave it onb) Online storageA is vulnerable to common-cause failures (though still better than nothing - it's what I use and it's saved my arse once already) and B is impractical unless you have a small amount of data or an unusually fast internet connection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29732343</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1255450860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, if this buzz didn't alert me, I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out (luckily I use SuperDuper regularly).</p></div><p>The summary is misleading. Even if you had updated and had used the guest account it would not have wiped your regular account. If you had upgraded and used the guest account and the guest account crashed and the system rebooted and you logged in as admin as the next login, then the bug might have wiped your account, but not every time, just in some instances.</p><p>This is a really bad bug, but only for a very small subset of users who get unlucky.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Guest accounts are setup by default, IIRC.</p></div><p>They are not in Leopard.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug, not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2.</p></div><p>Agreed and I'm sure they're working on it as fast as they can, but so far it is not even clear they have ben able to replicate this edge case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , if this buzz did n't alert me , I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out ( luckily I use SuperDuper regularly ) .The summary is misleading .
Even if you had updated and had used the guest account it would not have wiped your regular account .
If you had upgraded and used the guest account and the guest account crashed and the system rebooted and you logged in as admin as the next login , then the bug might have wiped your account , but not every time , just in some instances.This is a really bad bug , but only for a very small subset of users who get unlucky.Guest accounts are setup by default , IIRC.They are not in Leopard.data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug , not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2.Agreed and I 'm sure they 're working on it as fast as they can , but so far it is not even clear they have ben able to replicate this edge case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, if this buzz didn't alert me, I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out (luckily I use SuperDuper regularly).The summary is misleading.
Even if you had updated and had used the guest account it would not have wiped your regular account.
If you had upgraded and used the guest account and the guest account crashed and the system rebooted and you logged in as admin as the next login, then the bug might have wiped your account, but not every time, just in some instances.This is a really bad bug, but only for a very small subset of users who get unlucky.Guest accounts are setup by default, IIRC.They are not in Leopard.data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug, not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2.Agreed and I'm sure they're working on it as fast as they can, but so far it is not even clear they have ben able to replicate this edge case.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726879</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726865</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I'm defending Microsoft, but if this happened in Windows, people would be at their door with pitchforks and torches.  For sure, no one would be admonishing the users.</p><p>See ya, karma.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I 'm defending Microsoft , but if this happened in Windows , people would be at their door with pitchforks and torches .
For sure , no one would be admonishing the users.See ya , karma .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I'm defending Microsoft, but if this happened in Windows, people would be at their door with pitchforks and torches.
For sure, no one would be admonishing the users.See ya, karma.
:(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727447</id>
	<title>Is not a bug, it is a feature</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's how it frees 7 GB of disk space</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's how it frees 7 GB of disk space</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's how it frees 7 GB of disk space</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728553</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1255369020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I'm defending Microsoft</p></div></blockquote><p>It really annoys me when people feel they have to preface their perfectly logic argument with an apology because they chose <b>not</b> to bash Microsoft within the argument.</p><p>Seriously, make your argument, and don't worry about sounding like you're defending Microsoft. If anyone feels offended, criticizes you of being a troll/shrill/fag/whatever, then big deal. They're not worth having a conversation with anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I 'm defending MicrosoftIt really annoys me when people feel they have to preface their perfectly logic argument with an apology because they chose not to bash Microsoft within the argument.Seriously , make your argument , and do n't worry about sounding like you 're defending Microsoft .
If anyone feels offended , criticizes you of being a troll/shrill/fag/whatever , then big deal .
They 're not worth having a conversation with anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not one for the holy wars and I hate to sound like I'm defending MicrosoftIt really annoys me when people feel they have to preface their perfectly logic argument with an apology because they chose not to bash Microsoft within the argument.Seriously, make your argument, and don't worry about sounding like you're defending Microsoft.
If anyone feels offended, criticizes you of being a troll/shrill/fag/whatever, then big deal.
They're not worth having a conversation with anyway.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728231</id>
	<title>Informative?</title>
	<author>bussdriver</author>
	<datestamp>1255365540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystem. They are implemented as filesystem plug-ins.  USB drives ARE slow; especially when on a slow USB BUS. Me, I have whole USB bus for a time machine SATA drive and it runs as fast as one can expect from that configuration- no complaints.</p><p>2) Encrypted "volumes" are disk images; handled in userspace I believe... they are slower; but then they are software encrypted... I get good performance from not using sparse images; the sparse ones are slower (sparse images split the disk into 8MB files for easy resizing.) Sparse files have hash overhead fetching image files, open/closing overhead for those files,  HFS+ auto-defragging, the 8MB segments is likely not optimally allocated (linear,) and I think it is quite likely the disk cache working twice.</p><p>3) WebDAV generally sucks (iDisk) and I never was a fan of it. still prefer FTP.  FTP and WebDAV are both filesystem plug-ins which causes more trouble than they are worth-- not to mention loads a ton of code into the kernel; risking stability and security. Userspace would make MUCH MORE SENSE; especially since the network is the bottleneck not the userspace.</p><p>4) HFS+ is a fine filesystem. Sure it is old and based on decades old HFS. It works quite well and is stable. It is simple and highly flexible with easy hacks for adding new features. Its biggest problem is the wasted space for small files; but 10.6 fixes that with a hidden database (everything in HFS is a file, including internal structures.)  It can be better; but it is not bad simply because it is old and feature laden.</p><p>--<br>Lets petition Apple to include FuseFS officially in the OS! (then they can move FTP and WebDAV out there and add HTTP, SSH...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystem .
They are implemented as filesystem plug-ins .
USB drives ARE slow ; especially when on a slow USB BUS .
Me , I have whole USB bus for a time machine SATA drive and it runs as fast as one can expect from that configuration- no complaints.2 ) Encrypted " volumes " are disk images ; handled in userspace I believe... they are slower ; but then they are software encrypted... I get good performance from not using sparse images ; the sparse ones are slower ( sparse images split the disk into 8MB files for easy resizing .
) Sparse files have hash overhead fetching image files , open/closing overhead for those files , HFS + auto-defragging , the 8MB segments is likely not optimally allocated ( linear , ) and I think it is quite likely the disk cache working twice.3 ) WebDAV generally sucks ( iDisk ) and I never was a fan of it .
still prefer FTP .
FTP and WebDAV are both filesystem plug-ins which causes more trouble than they are worth-- not to mention loads a ton of code into the kernel ; risking stability and security .
Userspace would make MUCH MORE SENSE ; especially since the network is the bottleneck not the userspace.4 ) HFS + is a fine filesystem .
Sure it is old and based on decades old HFS .
It works quite well and is stable .
It is simple and highly flexible with easy hacks for adding new features .
Its biggest problem is the wasted space for small files ; but 10.6 fixes that with a hidden database ( everything in HFS is a file , including internal structures .
) It can be better ; but it is not bad simply because it is old and feature laden.--Lets petition Apple to include FuseFS officially in the OS !
( then they can move FTP and WebDAV out there and add HTTP , SSH... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystem.
They are implemented as filesystem plug-ins.
USB drives ARE slow; especially when on a slow USB BUS.
Me, I have whole USB bus for a time machine SATA drive and it runs as fast as one can expect from that configuration- no complaints.2) Encrypted "volumes" are disk images; handled in userspace I believe... they are slower; but then they are software encrypted... I get good performance from not using sparse images; the sparse ones are slower (sparse images split the disk into 8MB files for easy resizing.
) Sparse files have hash overhead fetching image files, open/closing overhead for those files,  HFS+ auto-defragging, the 8MB segments is likely not optimally allocated (linear,) and I think it is quite likely the disk cache working twice.3) WebDAV generally sucks (iDisk) and I never was a fan of it.
still prefer FTP.
FTP and WebDAV are both filesystem plug-ins which causes more trouble than they are worth-- not to mention loads a ton of code into the kernel; risking stability and security.
Userspace would make MUCH MORE SENSE; especially since the network is the bottleneck not the userspace.4) HFS+ is a fine filesystem.
Sure it is old and based on decades old HFS.
It works quite well and is stable.
It is simple and highly flexible with easy hacks for adding new features.
Its biggest problem is the wasted space for small files; but 10.6 fixes that with a hidden database (everything in HFS is a file, including internal structures.
)  It can be better; but it is not bad simply because it is old and feature laden.--Lets petition Apple to include FuseFS officially in the OS!
(then they can move FTP and WebDAV out there and add HTTP, SSH...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726879</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it, fortunately. Hopefully they'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm a Leopard user who didn't upgrade as some software that I use everyday is not ready (till December).  However, I'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got "activated" in a previous patch. Now, if this buzz didn't alert me, I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out (luckily I use SuperDuper regularly).
</p><p>
Guest accounts are setup by default, IIRC.  This is bad for Apple... data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug, not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it , fortunately .
Hopefully they 'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.I 'm a Leopard user who did n't upgrade as some software that I use everyday is not ready ( till December ) .
However , I 'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got " activated " in a previous patch .
Now , if this buzz did n't alert me , I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out ( luckily I use SuperDuper regularly ) .
Guest accounts are setup by default , IIRC .
This is bad for Apple... data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug , not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the average user is not very likely to get hit by it, fortunately.
Hopefully they'll have a fix out quickly nonetheless.I'm a Leopard user who didn't upgrade as some software that I use everyday is not ready (till December).
However, I'm fairly saavy with my system but my Guest account got "activated" in a previous patch.
Now, if this buzz didn't alert me, I would have upgraded and been none the wiser when my data got wiped out (luckily I use SuperDuper regularly).
Guest accounts are setup by default, IIRC.
This is bad for Apple... data loss of any magnitude should be a Priority 0 fix right away bug, not something you leave off to sub-dot-release 10.6.2.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729101</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>mikael\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1255377120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I'm a Mac user, I like macs and outside of work I haven't had a Windows machine in a long time (used Linux/*BSD/Solaris/IRIX almost exclusively since 1997) and I have had several serious issues with my macs. That said, in general I have found macs to be a lot less troublesome than the average *nix workstation.</p><p>My biggest issue with macs at the moment is a Safari 4 bug that only seems to manifest itself when using more than one monitor; when scrolling a page the color saturation keeps increasing until I switch to another window, hit cmd-a to select everything on the page or manually select a portion of the page (only selected parts get their saturation reset). Only the visible parts of a page have their saturation increased and hitting space - shift-space to scroll down and up will clear it but it's still highly annoying.</p><p>Another bug I encountered was the Filevault issue when upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5, basically the first time you logged in after upgrading the Filevault volume worked as always but when you logged in the second time it would become unmountable, since I had been using an admin account (with a filevault volume for its home dir) during the whole "upgrade and clean shit up" phase I ended up being locked out to the point where I had to use the console to convert the filevault volume into a sparse disk image so I could transfer some important files off it before doing an "archive and install" of Leopard.</p><p>So yeah, us mac users are well aware of there being issues with our favorite operating system, but just like Linux users and Gamers (read: Windows fanboys) we are willing to overlook these issues because we still consider the operating system we use the one that best suits our needs.</p><p>/Mikael</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'm a Mac user , I like macs and outside of work I have n't had a Windows machine in a long time ( used Linux/ * BSD/Solaris/IRIX almost exclusively since 1997 ) and I have had several serious issues with my macs .
That said , in general I have found macs to be a lot less troublesome than the average * nix workstation.My biggest issue with macs at the moment is a Safari 4 bug that only seems to manifest itself when using more than one monitor ; when scrolling a page the color saturation keeps increasing until I switch to another window , hit cmd-a to select everything on the page or manually select a portion of the page ( only selected parts get their saturation reset ) .
Only the visible parts of a page have their saturation increased and hitting space - shift-space to scroll down and up will clear it but it 's still highly annoying.Another bug I encountered was the Filevault issue when upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5 , basically the first time you logged in after upgrading the Filevault volume worked as always but when you logged in the second time it would become unmountable , since I had been using an admin account ( with a filevault volume for its home dir ) during the whole " upgrade and clean shit up " phase I ended up being locked out to the point where I had to use the console to convert the filevault volume into a sparse disk image so I could transfer some important files off it before doing an " archive and install " of Leopard.So yeah , us mac users are well aware of there being issues with our favorite operating system , but just like Linux users and Gamers ( read : Windows fanboys ) we are willing to overlook these issues because we still consider the operating system we use the one that best suits our needs./Mikael</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'm a Mac user, I like macs and outside of work I haven't had a Windows machine in a long time (used Linux/*BSD/Solaris/IRIX almost exclusively since 1997) and I have had several serious issues with my macs.
That said, in general I have found macs to be a lot less troublesome than the average *nix workstation.My biggest issue with macs at the moment is a Safari 4 bug that only seems to manifest itself when using more than one monitor; when scrolling a page the color saturation keeps increasing until I switch to another window, hit cmd-a to select everything on the page or manually select a portion of the page (only selected parts get their saturation reset).
Only the visible parts of a page have their saturation increased and hitting space - shift-space to scroll down and up will clear it but it's still highly annoying.Another bug I encountered was the Filevault issue when upgrading from 10.4 to 10.5, basically the first time you logged in after upgrading the Filevault volume worked as always but when you logged in the second time it would become unmountable, since I had been using an admin account (with a filevault volume for its home dir) during the whole "upgrade and clean shit up" phase I ended up being locked out to the point where I had to use the console to convert the filevault volume into a sparse disk image so I could transfer some important files off it before doing an "archive and install" of Leopard.So yeah, us mac users are well aware of there being issues with our favorite operating system, but just like Linux users and Gamers (read: Windows fanboys) we are willing to overlook these issues because we still consider the operating system we use the one that best suits our needs./Mikael</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729181</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1255464480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that the 2 year gestation period was supposedly to focus on bug fixing and internal cleanups, one wonders why Snow Leopard is apparently so buggy. It actually shipped with some serious regressions around VPNs that make it nearly unusable for corporate work - now how does something like <i>that</i> get through?</p><p>A few years ago before the iPhone came out, there were rumors that Apple had pulled their best people from MacOS X and put them on the iPhone. The state of Snow Leopard strongly implies that they don't have sufficient manpower to develop two operating systems simultaneously - and given that they are successful and rich, that leads to the question of why not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that the 2 year gestation period was supposedly to focus on bug fixing and internal cleanups , one wonders why Snow Leopard is apparently so buggy .
It actually shipped with some serious regressions around VPNs that make it nearly unusable for corporate work - now how does something like that get through ? A few years ago before the iPhone came out , there were rumors that Apple had pulled their best people from MacOS X and put them on the iPhone .
The state of Snow Leopard strongly implies that they do n't have sufficient manpower to develop two operating systems simultaneously - and given that they are successful and rich , that leads to the question of why not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that the 2 year gestation period was supposedly to focus on bug fixing and internal cleanups, one wonders why Snow Leopard is apparently so buggy.
It actually shipped with some serious regressions around VPNs that make it nearly unusable for corporate work - now how does something like that get through?A few years ago before the iPhone came out, there were rumors that Apple had pulled their best people from MacOS X and put them on the iPhone.
The state of Snow Leopard strongly implies that they don't have sufficient manpower to develop two operating systems simultaneously - and given that they are successful and rich, that leads to the question of why not?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29739919</id>
	<title>Re:Time Machine problem too...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DataRescue II.</p><p>That said, I'm surprised by the bug you encountered - I've attached external disks to new systems many times, said no to the question about Time Machine, and never was the existing data erased.  Weird.</p><p>If there's a possibility that the data wasn't actually erased, but that the HFS+ filesystem was actually corrupted, DiskWarrior is also fantastic.  It won't recover legitimately deleted files, but it will fix corrupted HFS+ filesystems, hardware failure notwithstanding.  Much, much better than Apple's crappy fsck.</p><p>Also, is the Backups.backupdb directory still there by any chance?  If so, I wonder if one or more of the various Time Machine "cookie" or similar files got changed, essentially "unpairing" the backup set from your computer.  Macosxhints.com has lots of info on that stuff so it's fairly easy to fix that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DataRescue II.That said , I 'm surprised by the bug you encountered - I 've attached external disks to new systems many times , said no to the question about Time Machine , and never was the existing data erased .
Weird.If there 's a possibility that the data was n't actually erased , but that the HFS + filesystem was actually corrupted , DiskWarrior is also fantastic .
It wo n't recover legitimately deleted files , but it will fix corrupted HFS + filesystems , hardware failure notwithstanding .
Much , much better than Apple 's crappy fsck.Also , is the Backups.backupdb directory still there by any chance ?
If so , I wonder if one or more of the various Time Machine " cookie " or similar files got changed , essentially " unpairing " the backup set from your computer .
Macosxhints.com has lots of info on that stuff so it 's fairly easy to fix that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DataRescue II.That said, I'm surprised by the bug you encountered - I've attached external disks to new systems many times, said no to the question about Time Machine, and never was the existing data erased.
Weird.If there's a possibility that the data wasn't actually erased, but that the HFS+ filesystem was actually corrupted, DiskWarrior is also fantastic.
It won't recover legitimately deleted files, but it will fix corrupted HFS+ filesystems, hardware failure notwithstanding.
Much, much better than Apple's crappy fsck.Also, is the Backups.backupdb directory still there by any chance?
If so, I wonder if one or more of the various Time Machine "cookie" or similar files got changed, essentially "unpairing" the backup set from your computer.
Macosxhints.com has lots of info on that stuff so it's fairly easy to fix that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727107</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>reSonans</author>
	<datestamp>1255356420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're kidding, but Time Capsule has been upsold in the past for a similar reason.</p><p>Remember Backup.app from the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Mac suite? It was touted as a complete remote backup solution for a couple of years, until Apple changed their tune in Knowledge Base articles and began describing it as a modest service intended for browser bookmarks and user settings. The reason? Restoring files was prone to data loss.</p><p>Time Capsule + Time Machine appeared shortly thereafter, and Apple made a big, intentional splash about how this particular hardware and software combination will keep your data safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're kidding , but Time Capsule has been upsold in the past for a similar reason.Remember Backup.app from the .Mac suite ?
It was touted as a complete remote backup solution for a couple of years , until Apple changed their tune in Knowledge Base articles and began describing it as a modest service intended for browser bookmarks and user settings .
The reason ?
Restoring files was prone to data loss.Time Capsule + Time Machine appeared shortly thereafter , and Apple made a big , intentional splash about how this particular hardware and software combination will keep your data safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're kidding, but Time Capsule has been upsold in the past for a similar reason.Remember Backup.app from the .Mac suite?
It was touted as a complete remote backup solution for a couple of years, until Apple changed their tune in Knowledge Base articles and began describing it as a modest service intended for browser bookmarks and user settings.
The reason?
Restoring files was prone to data loss.Time Capsule + Time Machine appeared shortly thereafter, and Apple made a big, intentional splash about how this particular hardware and software combination will keep your data safe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726783</id>
	<title>Yes, but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does it also delete the smug?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it also delete the smug ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it also delete the smug?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726939</id>
	<title>Hi, I'm a PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255355220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi, I'm a PC and ready for Windows 7</p><p>And I'm a Ma... what were we talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , I 'm a PC and ready for Windows 7And I 'm a Ma... what were we talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, I'm a PC and ready for Windows 7And I'm a Ma... what were we talking about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730261</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Lars T.</author>
	<datestamp>1255437660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, the irony.</p><p>There's an <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5379865/are-apple-time-capsules-short-lived" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">article</a> [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of <a href="http://timecapsuledead.org/" title="timecapsuledead.org" rel="nofollow">time capsules</a> [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days. Not sure if there is any truth to this, but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here.</p></div><p>"The average lifespan shown here is calculated from the registered <b> <i>dead</i> </b> Time Capsules. We don't want to suggest that this lifespan figure is indicative for all Time Capsules."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the irony.There 's an article [ gizmodo.com ] claiming that users of time capsules [ timecapsuledead.org ] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days .
Not sure if there is any truth to this , but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here .
" The average lifespan shown here is calculated from the registered dead Time Capsules .
We do n't want to suggest that this lifespan figure is indicative for all Time Capsules .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the irony.There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.
Not sure if there is any truth to this, but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here.
"The average lifespan shown here is calculated from the registered  dead  Time Capsules.
We don't want to suggest that this lifespan figure is indicative for all Time Capsules.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728251</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>chdig</author>
	<datestamp>1255365840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, you're definitely not a programmer are you?<br> <br>
"bridge must withstand x pounds and last y years" is a pretty straightforward requirement for a bridge.  "Don't go bang and burn down a house" is similarly so for a gadget.  Software, however has a multitude of requirements -- and of different kinds, be it speed, usability, security, interoperability, and on and on.  And that's not even to mention that software is usually expected to do a number of actual tasks for the user.  In the end, an OS has likely millions of requirements and in the case of this article, one of them is, "don't delete the administrator's data when a crash happens while logged into the guest account."  Yep, this is a horrible, awful bug of the worst degree, but hey, it's not like the fanbois won't buy macs because of it.  Not quite the same as a life and death issue, especially since you can back up data, but not your car once its gone over the edge.<br> <br>
But, back to the bridge for a second: most poorly designed roads and bridges are torn down before they fall on their own, and well after they're built.  The individual engineers generally get off scot free for doing bad work that only comes to light years after it was built.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you 're definitely not a programmer are you ?
" bridge must withstand x pounds and last y years " is a pretty straightforward requirement for a bridge .
" Do n't go bang and burn down a house " is similarly so for a gadget .
Software , however has a multitude of requirements -- and of different kinds , be it speed , usability , security , interoperability , and on and on .
And that 's not even to mention that software is usually expected to do a number of actual tasks for the user .
In the end , an OS has likely millions of requirements and in the case of this article , one of them is , " do n't delete the administrator 's data when a crash happens while logged into the guest account .
" Yep , this is a horrible , awful bug of the worst degree , but hey , it 's not like the fanbois wo n't buy macs because of it .
Not quite the same as a life and death issue , especially since you can back up data , but not your car once its gone over the edge .
But , back to the bridge for a second : most poorly designed roads and bridges are torn down before they fall on their own , and well after they 're built .
The individual engineers generally get off scot free for doing bad work that only comes to light years after it was built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you're definitely not a programmer are you?
"bridge must withstand x pounds and last y years" is a pretty straightforward requirement for a bridge.
"Don't go bang and burn down a house" is similarly so for a gadget.
Software, however has a multitude of requirements -- and of different kinds, be it speed, usability, security, interoperability, and on and on.
And that's not even to mention that software is usually expected to do a number of actual tasks for the user.
In the end, an OS has likely millions of requirements and in the case of this article, one of them is, "don't delete the administrator's data when a crash happens while logged into the guest account.
"  Yep, this is a horrible, awful bug of the worst degree, but hey, it's not like the fanbois won't buy macs because of it.
Not quite the same as a life and death issue, especially since you can back up data, but not your car once its gone over the edge.
But, back to the bridge for a second: most poorly designed roads and bridges are torn down before they fall on their own, and well after they're built.
The individual engineers generally get off scot free for doing bad work that only comes to light years after it was built.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728865</id>
	<title>Re:Ha-ha Windows users</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1255373160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We <b>don't need</b> a virus or trojans or...</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't need a virus or trojans or...There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't need a virus or trojans or...There, fixed that for you.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729843</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>simonwalton</author>
	<datestamp>1255431660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sweeping generalisation of all Mac users. You can't have a Mac story on Slashdot without ignorant posts like yours. It's such a pity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweeping generalisation of all Mac users .
You ca n't have a Mac story on Slashdot without ignorant posts like yours .
It 's such a pity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweeping generalisation of all Mac users.
You can't have a Mac story on Slashdot without ignorant posts like yours.
It's such a pity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726487</id>
	<title>Accountability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Apple has acknowledged the bug and is working on a fix."</p><p>That in itself exonerates them, in my view...Microsoft would happily deny the issue until they fixed it, then try to downplay it. At least Apple has owned up to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Apple has acknowledged the bug and is working on a fix .
" That in itself exonerates them , in my view...Microsoft would happily deny the issue until they fixed it , then try to downplay it .
At least Apple has owned up to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Apple has acknowledged the bug and is working on a fix.
"That in itself exonerates them, in my view...Microsoft would happily deny the issue until they fixed it, then try to downplay it.
At least Apple has owned up to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727451</id>
	<title>Re:Guest is denied local login</title>
	<author>je ne sais quoi</author>
	<datestamp>1255359240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a pretty weird idea to have guest account anyway unless it's a terminal computer for public access or unless you were using the computer for some other purpose than it's intent that you'd like to hide (e.g., using a work computer for personal stuff).  What I noticed in TFA was that:<blockquote><div><p>Apparently, Snow Leopard (aka Mac OS X 10.6) has a habit of wiping out "home directories" when a user logs in to a Guest account following an upgrade from Apple's previous operating system: just Leopard (aka Mac OS X 10.5).</p></div></blockquote><p>

Is this right that it only occurs when someone upgraded from 10.5?  I have never trusted upgrading an OS, no matter what platform.  So when I put 10.6 on my laptop, I made a disc image of the drive on a back-up disc, then wiped it, and installed 10.6 fresh.  I do that because I tend systems tend to get filled with a lot of library files, preferences, etc. that they don't necessarily need or want on a new install (it's worse with a registry).  If this is true, yet another reason never to upgrade an OS, always install fresh.<br> <br>P.S.  Don't take this post as being an apologist for Apple, I think they still make a damn fine OS but in recent years they've been getting sloppy and more interested in "teh shiny" than stability and paying attention to their core computer users.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a pretty weird idea to have guest account anyway unless it 's a terminal computer for public access or unless you were using the computer for some other purpose than it 's intent that you 'd like to hide ( e.g. , using a work computer for personal stuff ) .
What I noticed in TFA was that : Apparently , Snow Leopard ( aka Mac OS X 10.6 ) has a habit of wiping out " home directories " when a user logs in to a Guest account following an upgrade from Apple 's previous operating system : just Leopard ( aka Mac OS X 10.5 ) .
Is this right that it only occurs when someone upgraded from 10.5 ?
I have never trusted upgrading an OS , no matter what platform .
So when I put 10.6 on my laptop , I made a disc image of the drive on a back-up disc , then wiped it , and installed 10.6 fresh .
I do that because I tend systems tend to get filled with a lot of library files , preferences , etc .
that they do n't necessarily need or want on a new install ( it 's worse with a registry ) .
If this is true , yet another reason never to upgrade an OS , always install fresh .
P.S. Do n't take this post as being an apologist for Apple , I think they still make a damn fine OS but in recent years they 've been getting sloppy and more interested in " teh shiny " than stability and paying attention to their core computer users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a pretty weird idea to have guest account anyway unless it's a terminal computer for public access or unless you were using the computer for some other purpose than it's intent that you'd like to hide (e.g., using a work computer for personal stuff).
What I noticed in TFA was that:Apparently, Snow Leopard (aka Mac OS X 10.6) has a habit of wiping out "home directories" when a user logs in to a Guest account following an upgrade from Apple's previous operating system: just Leopard (aka Mac OS X 10.5).
Is this right that it only occurs when someone upgraded from 10.5?
I have never trusted upgrading an OS, no matter what platform.
So when I put 10.6 on my laptop, I made a disc image of the drive on a back-up disc, then wiped it, and installed 10.6 fresh.
I do that because I tend systems tend to get filled with a lot of library files, preferences, etc.
that they don't necessarily need or want on a new install (it's worse with a registry).
If this is true, yet another reason never to upgrade an OS, always install fresh.
P.S.  Don't take this post as being an apologist for Apple, I think they still make a damn fine OS but in recent years they've been getting sloppy and more interested in "teh shiny" than stability and paying attention to their core computer users.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726473</id>
	<title>Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728941</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1255374900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.</p></div></blockquote><p>So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards?  Now THAT is some malware...</p></div><p>But they can be saved if during that time they can convince somebody else to use the service. It's the only way to survive the malediction !</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an article [ gizmodo.com ] claiming that users of time capsules [ timecapsuledead.org ] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards ?
Now THAT is some malware...But they can be saved if during that time they can convince somebody else to use the service .
It 's the only way to survive the malediction !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards?
Now THAT is some malware...But they can be saved if during that time they can convince somebody else to use the service.
It's the only way to survive the malediction !
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726837</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a fanboi of any particular OS and use all the major ones at home (Win7, Macbook Pro, Ubuntu, Debian, BSD, etc.). They're just tools and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.</p><p>But this is a serious bug, and based on the past I'm certain there would be many posts from smug Apple fanbois if it had been a Windows bug. I don't use my Guest account either, but that doesn't mean it would have sucked major ass if I had lost all my data because I did. The user could not possibly predict that just using the Guest account would incur this kind of risk.</p><p>It doesn't make sense to be an apologist. I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them. It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too. Get pissed off and help them be better next time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fanboi of any particular OS and use all the major ones at home ( Win7 , Macbook Pro , Ubuntu , Debian , BSD , etc. ) .
They 're just tools and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.But this is a serious bug , and based on the past I 'm certain there would be many posts from smug Apple fanbois if it had been a Windows bug .
I do n't use my Guest account either , but that does n't mean it would have sucked major ass if I had lost all my data because I did .
The user could not possibly predict that just using the Guest account would incur this kind of risk.It does n't make sense to be an apologist .
I can not understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them .
It 's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems , too .
Get pissed off and help them be better next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fanboi of any particular OS and use all the major ones at home (Win7, Macbook Pro, Ubuntu, Debian, BSD, etc.).
They're just tools and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.But this is a serious bug, and based on the past I'm certain there would be many posts from smug Apple fanbois if it had been a Windows bug.
I don't use my Guest account either, but that doesn't mean it would have sucked major ass if I had lost all my data because I did.
The user could not possibly predict that just using the Guest account would incur this kind of risk.It doesn't make sense to be an apologist.
I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.
It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too.
Get pissed off and help them be better next time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728761</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Corbets</author>
	<datestamp>1255371540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.</p></div><p>Because it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.Because it has n't happened to me or anyone I know ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.Because it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727429</id>
	<title>The cloud!</title>
	<author>Gudeldar</author>
	<datestamp>1255359120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If their data had been in the cloud this wouldn't have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh damn never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If their data had been in the cloud this would n't have ... oh damn never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If their data had been in the cloud this wouldn't have ... oh damn never mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729071</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1255376820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are? If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.</p></div></blockquote><p>You can read my other posts to see I'm far from an apple fanboi or apologist, but that day you speak of will come when customers are willing to wait 8-10 years and pay several thousand dollars for their OS. Software perfection is achievable, but it takes a product 10-15 years to reach that state (example: there are MS-DOS accounting tools I've supported in the last 4 years I'd regard as examples of perfection).</p><blockquote><div><p>In the computer world, people just accept that "All my photographs, resume, music, documents, tax returns, whatever" being lost forever is par for the course.</p></div></blockquote><p>Is there a single thing in your life that you hold to that standard? You've lived a sheltered life if so. I've had my car break down on the freeway in the middle of nowhere, I've been on airplanes that have had (minor) inflight problems, and I've lost data to hardware issues and theft. So yes par for the course - which is why I'm paranoid enough to bring things and use things to counter the above to minimize the impact on my life and well being - example: backing my crap up before installing a 1.0 version of an OS onto my PC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers ( Civil , Electrical , Mechanical ) are ?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design , or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed , people head to their local courthouse and sue.You can read my other posts to see I 'm far from an apple fanboi or apologist , but that day you speak of will come when customers are willing to wait 8-10 years and pay several thousand dollars for their OS .
Software perfection is achievable , but it takes a product 10-15 years to reach that state ( example : there are MS-DOS accounting tools I 've supported in the last 4 years I 'd regard as examples of perfection ) .In the computer world , people just accept that " All my photographs , resume , music , documents , tax returns , whatever " being lost forever is par for the course.Is there a single thing in your life that you hold to that standard ?
You 've lived a sheltered life if so .
I 've had my car break down on the freeway in the middle of nowhere , I 've been on airplanes that have had ( minor ) inflight problems , and I 've lost data to hardware issues and theft .
So yes par for the course - which is why I 'm paranoid enough to bring things and use things to counter the above to minimize the impact on my life and well being - example : backing my crap up before installing a 1.0 version of an OS onto my PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.You can read my other posts to see I'm far from an apple fanboi or apologist, but that day you speak of will come when customers are willing to wait 8-10 years and pay several thousand dollars for their OS.
Software perfection is achievable, but it takes a product 10-15 years to reach that state (example: there are MS-DOS accounting tools I've supported in the last 4 years I'd regard as examples of perfection).In the computer world, people just accept that "All my photographs, resume, music, documents, tax returns, whatever" being lost forever is par for the course.Is there a single thing in your life that you hold to that standard?
You've lived a sheltered life if so.
I've had my car break down on the freeway in the middle of nowhere, I've been on airplanes that have had (minor) inflight problems, and I've lost data to hardware issues and theft.
So yes par for the course - which is why I'm paranoid enough to bring things and use things to counter the above to minimize the impact on my life and well being - example: backing my crap up before installing a 1.0 version of an OS onto my PC.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727315</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255358100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's an article up right now about Sidekick's data loss and the tone of the comments is about the same. I wish people wouldn't erect these straw-hypocrites in every article involving a big brand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an article up right now about Sidekick 's data loss and the tone of the comments is about the same .
I wish people would n't erect these straw-hypocrites in every article involving a big brand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an article up right now about Sidekick's data loss and the tone of the comments is about the same.
I wish people wouldn't erect these straw-hypocrites in every article involving a big brand.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729659</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>linhux</author>
	<datestamp>1255429320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>See ya, karma.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></div><p>I'm reading at +4 and right now there are 7 (or 9, depending on how you count) posts very critical of Apple, while 2 posts are trying to downplay the bug as not a serious issue. So you're not exactly going against the current here...</p><p>I'd say that this community is appropriately critical in this case. No pitchforks, but lots of angry voices (and very few apologists).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>See ya , karma .
: ( I 'm reading at + 4 and right now there are 7 ( or 9 , depending on how you count ) posts very critical of Apple , while 2 posts are trying to downplay the bug as not a serious issue .
So you 're not exactly going against the current here...I 'd say that this community is appropriately critical in this case .
No pitchforks , but lots of angry voices ( and very few apologists ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See ya, karma.
:(I'm reading at +4 and right now there are 7 (or 9, depending on how you count) posts very critical of Apple, while 2 posts are trying to downplay the bug as not a serious issue.
So you're not exactly going against the current here...I'd say that this community is appropriately critical in this case.
No pitchforks, but lots of angry voices (and very few apologists).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29747127</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>DarkEmpath</author>
	<datestamp>1255545420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not a fanboi of any particular OS</p></div></blockquote><p>I <i> <b>am</b> </i> a fanboi of a particular OS, and as a BSD fanboi I need to ask - what the fuck has Apple done to our rock-solid OS?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fanboi of any particular OSI am a fanboi of a particular OS , and as a BSD fanboi I need to ask - what the fuck has Apple done to our rock-solid OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fanboi of any particular OSI  am  a fanboi of a particular OS, and as a BSD fanboi I need to ask - what the fuck has Apple done to our rock-solid OS?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726607</id>
	<title>Apple Admits A Bug!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the bigger part of this story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the bigger part of this story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the bigger part of this story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727651</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255360620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My guess is it would depend how widespread the problem was. There are always Microsoft defenders and attackers on every article, same with Apple defenders and attackers.  In the case of Vista, there was UAC and the "Vista Approved" debacle that almost everyone experienced.  In this case, it seems its only a few people having problems.<br> <br>
Besides, Apple fans are often the hardest on Apple (the screen of my iPod scratched and Apple didn't replace it!).</htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is it would depend how widespread the problem was .
There are always Microsoft defenders and attackers on every article , same with Apple defenders and attackers .
In the case of Vista , there was UAC and the " Vista Approved " debacle that almost everyone experienced .
In this case , it seems its only a few people having problems .
Besides , Apple fans are often the hardest on Apple ( the screen of my iPod scratched and Apple did n't replace it !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is it would depend how widespread the problem was.
There are always Microsoft defenders and attackers on every article, same with Apple defenders and attackers.
In the case of Vista, there was UAC and the "Vista Approved" debacle that almost everyone experienced.
In this case, it seems its only a few people having problems.
Besides, Apple fans are often the hardest on Apple (the screen of my iPod scratched and Apple didn't replace it!
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728569</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255369200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's complete BS. Many Mac users don't think Macs are the greatest computers ever -- completely infallible. Some of us just think that at the end of the day, they're better than the other offerings. And if you read the details, this bug isn't anywhere near as bad as that recent clusterfuck by MS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's complete BS .
Many Mac users do n't think Macs are the greatest computers ever -- completely infallible .
Some of us just think that at the end of the day , they 're better than the other offerings .
And if you read the details , this bug is n't anywhere near as bad as that recent clusterfuck by MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's complete BS.
Many Mac users don't think Macs are the greatest computers ever -- completely infallible.
Some of us just think that at the end of the day, they're better than the other offerings.
And if you read the details, this bug isn't anywhere near as bad as that recent clusterfuck by MS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730257</id>
	<title>OMG</title>
	<author>ThePhilips</author>
	<datestamp>1255437600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> This is a serious regression in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. community: nobody yet quoted <a href="http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html" title="ntk.net">BOFH</a> [ntk.net]...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a serious regression in / .
community : nobody yet quoted BOFH [ ntk.net ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is a serious regression in /.
community: nobody yet quoted BOFH [ntk.net]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726907</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>amasiancrasian</author>
	<datestamp>1255355040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, the irony.</p><p>There's an <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5379865/are-apple-time-capsules-short-lived" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">article</a> [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of <a href="http://timecapsuledead.org/" title="timecapsuledead.org" rel="nofollow">time capsules</a> [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days. Not sure if there is any truth to this, but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the irony.There 's an article [ gizmodo.com ] claiming that users of time capsules [ timecapsuledead.org ] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days .
Not sure if there is any truth to this , but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the irony.There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.
Not sure if there is any truth to this, but it does seem that there is more than one bad apple here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728813</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>EastCoastSurfer</author>
	<datestamp>1255372260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do know you can use any external drive right?  Even average computer users have external drives nowadays and often do manual backups.  TM just automates the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know you can use any external drive right ?
Even average computer users have external drives nowadays and often do manual backups .
TM just automates the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know you can use any external drive right?
Even average computer users have external drives nowadays and often do manual backups.
TM just automates the process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728071</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727169</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255357020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, flaming Apple is an absolute waste of time. The sort of people who buy Apple are convinced (with decent evidence) that Apple is the Greatest Thing Ever, and nothing short of personally experiencing a catastrophic failure like this will convince them otherwise.</p><p>Windows, on the other hand, is generally recognized (with decent evidence) as a total clusterfuck, so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , flaming Apple is an absolute waste of time .
The sort of people who buy Apple are convinced ( with decent evidence ) that Apple is the Greatest Thing Ever , and nothing short of personally experiencing a catastrophic failure like this will convince them otherwise.Windows , on the other hand , is generally recognized ( with decent evidence ) as a total clusterfuck , so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, flaming Apple is an absolute waste of time.
The sort of people who buy Apple are convinced (with decent evidence) that Apple is the Greatest Thing Ever, and nothing short of personally experiencing a catastrophic failure like this will convince them otherwise.Windows, on the other hand, is generally recognized (with decent evidence) as a total clusterfuck, so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726665</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726789</id>
	<title>Time Machine problem too...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in the process of recovering all my data after I had both the drive I was working with and my backup disk go at once.</p><p>I was playing with my primary drive, maybe a little rough, but I figured my time machine backup was solid and I had just updated it before delving into this project.</p><p>Long story short, the time machine backup was erased because the volume was picked up by another OS X installation and when asked if I wanted to use it for Time machine I said no. Then I went to use the backup and it was gone.</p><p>Right now I'm running r-studio to try to recover the data.</p><p>Anyone know any other HFS+ undelete tools?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the process of recovering all my data after I had both the drive I was working with and my backup disk go at once.I was playing with my primary drive , maybe a little rough , but I figured my time machine backup was solid and I had just updated it before delving into this project.Long story short , the time machine backup was erased because the volume was picked up by another OS X installation and when asked if I wanted to use it for Time machine I said no .
Then I went to use the backup and it was gone.Right now I 'm running r-studio to try to recover the data.Anyone know any other HFS + undelete tools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the process of recovering all my data after I had both the drive I was working with and my backup disk go at once.I was playing with my primary drive, maybe a little rough, but I figured my time machine backup was solid and I had just updated it before delving into this project.Long story short, the time machine backup was erased because the volume was picked up by another OS X installation and when asked if I wanted to use it for Time machine I said no.
Then I went to use the backup and it was gone.Right now I'm running r-studio to try to recover the data.Anyone know any other HFS+ undelete tools?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29734215</id>
	<title>BA HA HA HA HA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255459320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps we should divert the funds from bashing MS to QA hey boys?</p><p>Karma's a bitch...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps we should divert the funds from bashing MS to QA hey boys ? Karma 's a bitch.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps we should divert the funds from bashing MS to QA hey boys?Karma's a bitch...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727777</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1255361580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, no one would be the least bit surprised, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , no one would be the least bit surprised , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, no one would be the least bit surprised, either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726865</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726521</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Killer Orca</author>
	<datestamp>1255352760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?</p></div><p>Only if you were an Apple genius doing so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers ? Only if you were an Apple genius doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would I be a bad person if I were to suggest that this would be a perfect time to upsell Time Capsules to worried Snow Leopard customers?Only if you were an Apple genius doing so.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29732215</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Lars T.</author>
	<datestamp>1255450200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>not true.</p><p>an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.</p></div><p>Ohh, would they? <a href="http://images.apple.com/education/docs/it/Apple-ClientManagementWhitePaper.pdf" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">http://images.apple.com/education/docs/it/Apple-ClientManagementWhitePaper.pdf</a> [apple.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Guest Account<br> <br>
New to Leopard is the guest account. It was created in response to the need for an
anonymous user account that can be used in circumstances where user tracking and
logging isn&rsquo;t needed. Good examples of this would be a locked down visitor kiosk, a
kindergarten computer, or other systems that are configured in such a way that an
anonymous user logging in would provide more benefit than possible harm</p></div><p>Yeah, this looks like something most people would have activated.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>not true.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account " feature " active.Ohh , would they ?
http : //images.apple.com/education/docs/it/Apple-ClientManagementWhitePaper.pdf [ apple.com ] Guest Account New to Leopard is the guest account .
It was created in response to the need for an anonymous user account that can be used in circumstances where user tracking and logging isn    t needed .
Good examples of this would be a locked down visitor kiosk , a kindergarten computer , or other systems that are configured in such a way that an anonymous user logging in would provide more benefit than possible harmYeah , this looks like something most people would have activated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not true.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.Ohh, would they?
http://images.apple.com/education/docs/it/Apple-ClientManagementWhitePaper.pdf [apple.com] Guest Account 
New to Leopard is the guest account.
It was created in response to the need for an
anonymous user account that can be used in circumstances where user tracking and
logging isn’t needed.
Good examples of this would be a locked down visitor kiosk, a
kindergarten computer, or other systems that are configured in such a way that an
anonymous user logging in would provide more benefit than possible harmYeah, this looks like something most people would have activated.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727549</id>
	<title>It's a feature!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People were talking about how much hard drive space you could free up after installing Snow Leopard. Well, it's even better! It continues to free up space long after being installed!</p><p>Snow Leopard, never again run out of space (TM)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People were talking about how much hard drive space you could free up after installing Snow Leopard .
Well , it 's even better !
It continues to free up space long after being installed ! Snow Leopard , never again run out of space ( TM )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People were talking about how much hard drive space you could free up after installing Snow Leopard.
Well, it's even better!
It continues to free up space long after being installed!Snow Leopard, never again run out of space (TM)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726559</id>
	<title>A big thank</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to all early adopters for beta testing Snow Leopard for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to all early adopters for beta testing Snow Leopard for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to all early adopters for beta testing Snow Leopard for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727523</id>
	<title>Another showstopping bug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer: I am Apple user and have been since my Apple IIe in 1984. I began using Macs in 1991 and have a lot of experience with them. In other words, I'm not your average user and I'm extra careful with my data and my setup. I create a bootable backup before upgrading, etc.</p><p>When I upgrade to Snow Leopard I installed Rosetta because some of the software I depend upon cannot be run without it. While using this piece of <a href="http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/" title="eastgate.com">amazing and somewhat buggy software</a> [eastgate.com] my screen went blue and I was "spontaneously logged out." I encounter this problem only in the buggy software but I am not the only one experiencing such problems. Apparently there are scores if not hundreds (thousands?) of users affected by this "<a href="http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2136412" title="apple.com">spontaneous log out</a> [apple.com]." No amount of backing up is going to completely protect you if your computer goes tits up for no discernible reason at all.</p><p>I love me some Apple products but I also recognize some of those products have serious QA issues which are not only unaddressed but Apple has not even acknowledged them. Such bugs are not the fault of "extraordinary" users even if we can understand how a very esoteric and hard-to-replicate bugs may not show up in the testing phase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I am Apple user and have been since my Apple IIe in 1984 .
I began using Macs in 1991 and have a lot of experience with them .
In other words , I 'm not your average user and I 'm extra careful with my data and my setup .
I create a bootable backup before upgrading , etc.When I upgrade to Snow Leopard I installed Rosetta because some of the software I depend upon can not be run without it .
While using this piece of amazing and somewhat buggy software [ eastgate.com ] my screen went blue and I was " spontaneously logged out .
" I encounter this problem only in the buggy software but I am not the only one experiencing such problems .
Apparently there are scores if not hundreds ( thousands ?
) of users affected by this " spontaneous log out [ apple.com ] .
" No amount of backing up is going to completely protect you if your computer goes tits up for no discernible reason at all.I love me some Apple products but I also recognize some of those products have serious QA issues which are not only unaddressed but Apple has not even acknowledged them .
Such bugs are not the fault of " extraordinary " users even if we can understand how a very esoteric and hard-to-replicate bugs may not show up in the testing phase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I am Apple user and have been since my Apple IIe in 1984.
I began using Macs in 1991 and have a lot of experience with them.
In other words, I'm not your average user and I'm extra careful with my data and my setup.
I create a bootable backup before upgrading, etc.When I upgrade to Snow Leopard I installed Rosetta because some of the software I depend upon cannot be run without it.
While using this piece of amazing and somewhat buggy software [eastgate.com] my screen went blue and I was "spontaneously logged out.
" I encounter this problem only in the buggy software but I am not the only one experiencing such problems.
Apparently there are scores if not hundreds (thousands?
) of users affected by this "spontaneous log out [apple.com].
" No amount of backing up is going to completely protect you if your computer goes tits up for no discernible reason at all.I love me some Apple products but I also recognize some of those products have serious QA issues which are not only unaddressed but Apple has not even acknowledged them.
Such bugs are not the fault of "extraordinary" users even if we can understand how a very esoteric and hard-to-replicate bugs may not show up in the testing phase.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727357</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255358520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one is playing the holy wars game here.  However, us Mac users and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers, are blaming this on a developer recently hired by Apple, on compassionate ground to support the developer and his family.  Rumors have it that this developer used to work for MS, on the Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is playing the holy wars game here .
However , us Mac users and / .
readers , are blaming this on a developer recently hired by Apple , on compassionate ground to support the developer and his family .
Rumors have it that this developer used to work for MS , on the Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is playing the holy wars game here.
However, us Mac users and /.
readers, are blaming this on a developer recently hired by Apple, on compassionate ground to support the developer and his family.
Rumors have it that this developer used to work for MS, on the Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727175</id>
	<title>Oh man.  Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255357020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If one thing has been burned into my brain
as a programmer, it's this:</p><p>Crash all you want, but never, ever, ever harm,
corrupt and by all that's holy, NEVER delete the
user's data.</p><p>The data is sacred.  The data is life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If one thing has been burned into my brain as a programmer , it 's this : Crash all you want , but never , ever , ever harm , corrupt and by all that 's holy , NEVER delete the user 's data.The data is sacred .
The data is life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one thing has been burned into my brain
as a programmer, it's this:Crash all you want, but never, ever, ever harm,
corrupt and by all that's holy, NEVER delete the
user's data.The data is sacred.
The data is life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727103</id>
	<title>What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1255356420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unix, Linux, Mac, even Windows lovers all agree that the biggest security hole in any operating system is the USER!  Delete the worthless user, and the system will be much more secure!  Mac needs to capitalize on this feature.</p><p>"Your users are compromising your security?  Can't get a handle on all those backdoors?  Now, you can delete the user, AND his data!  Upgrade to OSX 10.666 now."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unix , Linux , Mac , even Windows lovers all agree that the biggest security hole in any operating system is the USER !
Delete the worthless user , and the system will be much more secure !
Mac needs to capitalize on this feature .
" Your users are compromising your security ?
Ca n't get a handle on all those backdoors ?
Now , you can delete the user , AND his data !
Upgrade to OSX 10.666 now .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unix, Linux, Mac, even Windows lovers all agree that the biggest security hole in any operating system is the USER!
Delete the worthless user, and the system will be much more secure!
Mac needs to capitalize on this feature.
"Your users are compromising your security?
Can't get a handle on all those backdoors?
Now, you can delete the user, AND his data!
Upgrade to OSX 10.666 now.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726473</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728037</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1255363920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.</p></div><p>I seriously doubt that. In my experience average users don't even know such a feature exists or care at all about security. They just share a single account with their family and friends and would not see the point of having a separate account for guests.</p><p>The guest account feature is probably used mostly by people who surf porn on the family computer and are moderately savvy about hiding it and by more advanced users who set up a machine for their whole family or who let friends use their machine to look something up. Any feature that is off by default is unlikely to be used by the average user.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions (aka when you're not logged in as an user with admin permissions) and it proceeds to nuke files the user doesn't have "permission" to touch.</p></div><p>Lots of system services have permission to do things the currently logged in user cannot. For example, people logged in as guest users can still see the correct time, despite them having no ability to access the NTP client. That's because the system takes care of business regardless of the user. The problem here is the system, which has access to delete files and change settings the guest user does not, is somehow overzealous i tis cleanup. A similar situation would be an antivirus program running that does not know how to deal with guest accounts that hoses its own permissions and stops working when a guest account logs out. It's not that the guest has permission to mess with the antivirus, just that the OS screws up when the guest account is used for anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account " feature " active.I seriously doubt that .
In my experience average users do n't even know such a feature exists or care at all about security .
They just share a single account with their family and friends and would not see the point of having a separate account for guests.The guest account feature is probably used mostly by people who surf porn on the family computer and are moderately savvy about hiding it and by more advanced users who set up a machine for their whole family or who let friends use their machine to look something up .
Any feature that is off by default is unlikely to be used by the average user.I 'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions ( aka when you 're not logged in as an user with admin permissions ) and it proceeds to nuke files the user does n't have " permission " to touch.Lots of system services have permission to do things the currently logged in user can not .
For example , people logged in as guest users can still see the correct time , despite them having no ability to access the NTP client .
That 's because the system takes care of business regardless of the user .
The problem here is the system , which has access to delete files and change settings the guest user does not , is somehow overzealous i t is cleanup .
A similar situation would be an antivirus program running that does not know how to deal with guest accounts that hoses its own permissions and stops working when a guest account logs out .
It 's not that the guest has permission to mess with the antivirus , just that the OS screws up when the guest account is used for anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active.I seriously doubt that.
In my experience average users don't even know such a feature exists or care at all about security.
They just share a single account with their family and friends and would not see the point of having a separate account for guests.The guest account feature is probably used mostly by people who surf porn on the family computer and are moderately savvy about hiding it and by more advanced users who set up a machine for their whole family or who let friends use their machine to look something up.
Any feature that is off by default is unlikely to be used by the average user.I'm more amazed that the system ignores user permissions (aka when you're not logged in as an user with admin permissions) and it proceeds to nuke files the user doesn't have "permission" to touch.Lots of system services have permission to do things the currently logged in user cannot.
For example, people logged in as guest users can still see the correct time, despite them having no ability to access the NTP client.
That's because the system takes care of business regardless of the user.
The problem here is the system, which has access to delete files and change settings the guest user does not, is somehow overzealous i tis cleanup.
A similar situation would be an antivirus program running that does not know how to deal with guest accounts that hoses its own permissions and stops working when a guest account logs out.
It's not that the guest has permission to mess with the antivirus, just that the OS screws up when the guest account is used for anything.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729459</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>howlingmadhowie</author>
	<datestamp>1255425000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i'd say the lack of legal accountability for software is a historical accident. if you wanted to, you could say that computers were developed in two areas: firstly very expensive mainframes and workstations from ibm and the like and secondly toy computers from sinclair, commodore, tandy and the rest. with the first class of computer you certainly did get guarantees from the manufacturer that everything would work and you could get on their case if something terrible happened. with the second class this would have seemed ridiculous.<br> <br>

this of course does lead to the ridiculous situation as you described where apple and microsoft vie over the title of the best operating system in the world where in the licensing agreement phrases can be found like "This software is fit to do absolutely nothing.  If you use it and something goes wrong it's your fault".<br> <br>

strangely FOSS seems to strengthen their case,  the ideal of FOSS being that anybody who's sufficiently skilled and patient should be able to roll their own operating system or text editor or whatever oh and here's this stuff someone else made when they sat down one day and tried to write a piece of software for music notation---do with it what you will.  i think if regulation were imposed on software for the home pc market it could turn out to be legally difficult to treat FOSS and proprietary software differently.  certainly if ms or apple were forced to write in their eulas that "this software is an operating system and it promises to fulfill certain requirements *long list of requirements*", their astro-turfers would go crazy discrediting FOSS for not having these clauses in the GPL or whatever license.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'd say the lack of legal accountability for software is a historical accident .
if you wanted to , you could say that computers were developed in two areas : firstly very expensive mainframes and workstations from ibm and the like and secondly toy computers from sinclair , commodore , tandy and the rest .
with the first class of computer you certainly did get guarantees from the manufacturer that everything would work and you could get on their case if something terrible happened .
with the second class this would have seemed ridiculous .
this of course does lead to the ridiculous situation as you described where apple and microsoft vie over the title of the best operating system in the world where in the licensing agreement phrases can be found like " This software is fit to do absolutely nothing .
If you use it and something goes wrong it 's your fault " .
strangely FOSS seems to strengthen their case , the ideal of FOSS being that anybody who 's sufficiently skilled and patient should be able to roll their own operating system or text editor or whatever oh and here 's this stuff someone else made when they sat down one day and tried to write a piece of software for music notation---do with it what you will .
i think if regulation were imposed on software for the home pc market it could turn out to be legally difficult to treat FOSS and proprietary software differently .
certainly if ms or apple were forced to write in their eulas that " this software is an operating system and it promises to fulfill certain requirements * long list of requirements * " , their astro-turfers would go crazy discrediting FOSS for not having these clauses in the GPL or whatever license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'd say the lack of legal accountability for software is a historical accident.
if you wanted to, you could say that computers were developed in two areas: firstly very expensive mainframes and workstations from ibm and the like and secondly toy computers from sinclair, commodore, tandy and the rest.
with the first class of computer you certainly did get guarantees from the manufacturer that everything would work and you could get on their case if something terrible happened.
with the second class this would have seemed ridiculous.
this of course does lead to the ridiculous situation as you described where apple and microsoft vie over the title of the best operating system in the world where in the licensing agreement phrases can be found like "This software is fit to do absolutely nothing.
If you use it and something goes wrong it's your fault".
strangely FOSS seems to strengthen their case,  the ideal of FOSS being that anybody who's sufficiently skilled and patient should be able to roll their own operating system or text editor or whatever oh and here's this stuff someone else made when they sat down one day and tried to write a piece of software for music notation---do with it what you will.
i think if regulation were imposed on software for the home pc market it could turn out to be legally difficult to treat FOSS and proprietary software differently.
certainly if ms or apple were forced to write in their eulas that "this software is an operating system and it promises to fulfill certain requirements *long list of requirements*", their astro-turfers would go crazy discrediting FOSS for not having these clauses in the GPL or whatever license.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727195</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1255357080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.</p></div></blockquote><p>
So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards?  Now THAT is some malware...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an article [ gizmodo.com ] claiming that users of time capsules [ timecapsuledead.org ] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days .
So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards ?
Now THAT is some malware.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an article [gizmodo.com] claiming that users of time capsules [timecapsuledead.org] have a lifespan of 17 months and 17 days.
So people who use that software only live less than a year and a half afterwards?
Now THAT is some malware...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729613</id>
	<title>Re:I don't want to feed the trolls but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255428300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because apple does not have as good a QA dept as companies that produce a decent O/S, like Microsoft.<br>All their QA budget is spent on marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because apple does not have as good a QA dept as companies that produce a decent O/S , like Microsoft.All their QA budget is spent on marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because apple does not have as good a QA dept as companies that produce a decent O/S, like Microsoft.All their QA budget is spent on marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729593</id>
	<title>Re:APPLE! FIX THIS BUG TOO!</title>
	<author>ledow</author>
	<datestamp>1255427640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then, please, please, learn a lesson from this.</p><p>Your money means nothing to this particular company X (ignore it if's Apple or Microsoft or Dell or PC World, it really doesn't matter).  They don't want to fix your problem (assuming you have reported it and following through with all the tech support you are offered).  So stop giving them money, cancel the damn "protection plans" and tell them exactly why.</p><p>I can't stand it when people rant about how much money they've spent with a company in the past and how they aren't getting service for that money.  If you were in a restaurant, you wouldn't tolerate paying for your meal and then waiting an hour for it to arrive.  You'd be demanding your money back and kicking up a fuss.  Kick up a fuss.  Get the problem fixed.  If they aren't interested, *don't give them more money*.</p><p>Before you think I'm just being anti-Apple, I would actually love to own an Apple machine but find them prohibitively expensive and can't justify paying the cost of four or five of my "normal" machines for an Apple machine (yes, I buy cheap shit and yes, sometimes it causes me hassle).  I would love to own one, always play on other people's when I get the chance and even recommend their purchase where appropriate.  But if *any* company didn't give me the service I wanted after paying that amount of money, I'd stop paying them or ask for a refund.  I have done this in the past.  It's why I prefer four or five smaller purchases to one large purchase - I don't lose so much if the service is truly awful and I can invest my next small amount somewhere else.</p><p>Seriously, if you're paying for this stuff - get it fixed.  If it doesn't get fixed, kick up a fuss, demand a refund, and remember this next time you make a purchase.  If people all did this, bad service would be a thing of the past, and I can't work out why people *don't*!  Brand loyalty really is carried to extremes when people forgive past mistakes that affected them greatly at the time.</p><p>Me?  I'm the sort of person who, if pushed far enough, will stand up in a restaurant, announce my dissatisfaction at the top of my voice, tell *everyone* who enters the restaurant about my grievances in the hope it will put them off.  Inevitably a manager will come along at this point and I'll be hastily offered a refund (not credit or another free meal!) and then I WILL NOT set foot in the place again.  If I'm that unhappy with the service, why should I help the business thrive by giving them money?  And the people entering the doorway deserve to know, too (often they walk back out with me and thank me for it!), and I've even *been* one of those people entering in the middle of a grievance.</p><p>Stop helping the company thrive if they aren't providing what they promise.  Silly updates are included in this - chase them down, make them fix it.  You're paying them thousands of dollars in direct profit - they can afford to spend a few of those dollars on taking your calls and sorting your problem out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then , please , please , learn a lesson from this.Your money means nothing to this particular company X ( ignore it if 's Apple or Microsoft or Dell or PC World , it really does n't matter ) .
They do n't want to fix your problem ( assuming you have reported it and following through with all the tech support you are offered ) .
So stop giving them money , cancel the damn " protection plans " and tell them exactly why.I ca n't stand it when people rant about how much money they 've spent with a company in the past and how they are n't getting service for that money .
If you were in a restaurant , you would n't tolerate paying for your meal and then waiting an hour for it to arrive .
You 'd be demanding your money back and kicking up a fuss .
Kick up a fuss .
Get the problem fixed .
If they are n't interested , * do n't give them more money * .Before you think I 'm just being anti-Apple , I would actually love to own an Apple machine but find them prohibitively expensive and ca n't justify paying the cost of four or five of my " normal " machines for an Apple machine ( yes , I buy cheap shit and yes , sometimes it causes me hassle ) .
I would love to own one , always play on other people 's when I get the chance and even recommend their purchase where appropriate .
But if * any * company did n't give me the service I wanted after paying that amount of money , I 'd stop paying them or ask for a refund .
I have done this in the past .
It 's why I prefer four or five smaller purchases to one large purchase - I do n't lose so much if the service is truly awful and I can invest my next small amount somewhere else.Seriously , if you 're paying for this stuff - get it fixed .
If it does n't get fixed , kick up a fuss , demand a refund , and remember this next time you make a purchase .
If people all did this , bad service would be a thing of the past , and I ca n't work out why people * do n't * !
Brand loyalty really is carried to extremes when people forgive past mistakes that affected them greatly at the time.Me ?
I 'm the sort of person who , if pushed far enough , will stand up in a restaurant , announce my dissatisfaction at the top of my voice , tell * everyone * who enters the restaurant about my grievances in the hope it will put them off .
Inevitably a manager will come along at this point and I 'll be hastily offered a refund ( not credit or another free meal !
) and then I WILL NOT set foot in the place again .
If I 'm that unhappy with the service , why should I help the business thrive by giving them money ?
And the people entering the doorway deserve to know , too ( often they walk back out with me and thank me for it !
) , and I 've even * been * one of those people entering in the middle of a grievance.Stop helping the company thrive if they are n't providing what they promise .
Silly updates are included in this - chase them down , make them fix it .
You 're paying them thousands of dollars in direct profit - they can afford to spend a few of those dollars on taking your calls and sorting your problem out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then, please, please, learn a lesson from this.Your money means nothing to this particular company X (ignore it if's Apple or Microsoft or Dell or PC World, it really doesn't matter).
They don't want to fix your problem (assuming you have reported it and following through with all the tech support you are offered).
So stop giving them money, cancel the damn "protection plans" and tell them exactly why.I can't stand it when people rant about how much money they've spent with a company in the past and how they aren't getting service for that money.
If you were in a restaurant, you wouldn't tolerate paying for your meal and then waiting an hour for it to arrive.
You'd be demanding your money back and kicking up a fuss.
Kick up a fuss.
Get the problem fixed.
If they aren't interested, *don't give them more money*.Before you think I'm just being anti-Apple, I would actually love to own an Apple machine but find them prohibitively expensive and can't justify paying the cost of four or five of my "normal" machines for an Apple machine (yes, I buy cheap shit and yes, sometimes it causes me hassle).
I would love to own one, always play on other people's when I get the chance and even recommend their purchase where appropriate.
But if *any* company didn't give me the service I wanted after paying that amount of money, I'd stop paying them or ask for a refund.
I have done this in the past.
It's why I prefer four or five smaller purchases to one large purchase - I don't lose so much if the service is truly awful and I can invest my next small amount somewhere else.Seriously, if you're paying for this stuff - get it fixed.
If it doesn't get fixed, kick up a fuss, demand a refund, and remember this next time you make a purchase.
If people all did this, bad service would be a thing of the past, and I can't work out why people *don't*!
Brand loyalty really is carried to extremes when people forgive past mistakes that affected them greatly at the time.Me?
I'm the sort of person who, if pushed far enough, will stand up in a restaurant, announce my dissatisfaction at the top of my voice, tell *everyone* who enters the restaurant about my grievances in the hope it will put them off.
Inevitably a manager will come along at this point and I'll be hastily offered a refund (not credit or another free meal!
) and then I WILL NOT set foot in the place again.
If I'm that unhappy with the service, why should I help the business thrive by giving them money?
And the people entering the doorway deserve to know, too (often they walk back out with me and thank me for it!
), and I've even *been* one of those people entering in the middle of a grievance.Stop helping the company thrive if they aren't providing what they promise.
Silly updates are included in this - chase them down, make them fix it.
You're paying them thousands of dollars in direct profit - they can afford to spend a few of those dollars on taking your calls and sorting your problem out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29737201</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1255428540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems. There are no issue with Mac, OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women's panties.</i>
<br> <br>
I can't call any of them anything because they are anon cowards.  That's what I was complaining about.  Your cognitive dissonance seems to be that you assume I was in any way defending Apple I wasn't.  I was also questioning the verity of the original article which claimed &gt; 1 months old posts about a product that had only been available less than a month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems .
There are no issue with Mac , OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women 's panties .
I ca n't call any of them anything because they are anon cowards .
That 's what I was complaining about .
Your cognitive dissonance seems to be that you assume I was in any way defending Apple I was n't .
I was also questioning the verity of the original article which claimed &gt; 1 months old posts about a product that had only been available less than a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems.
There are no issue with Mac, OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women's panties.
I can't call any of them anything because they are anon cowards.
That's what I was complaining about.
Your cognitive dissonance seems to be that you assume I was in any way defending Apple I wasn't.
I was also questioning the verity of the original article which claimed &gt; 1 months old posts about a product that had only been available less than a month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29734865</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1255462020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&lt;pedant&gt;<br>The data <b>are</b> sacred. The data <b>are</b> life. "Data" is plural for "datum".<br>&lt;/pedant&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The data are sacred .
The data are life .
" Data " is plural for " datum " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The data are sacred.
The data are life.
"Data" is plural for "datum".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726733</id>
	<title>Very bad bug, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...it's incredibly rare that it strikes, and it has a relatively high threshold of pre-requisites that need to be true before it even has this very low chance of happening at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's incredibly rare that it strikes , and it has a relatively high threshold of pre-requisites that need to be true before it even has this very low chance of happening at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's incredibly rare that it strikes, and it has a relatively high threshold of pre-requisites that need to be true before it even has this very low chance of happening at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728683</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255370640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never underestimate the appearance of someone who actually cares about the products they sell.</p><p>When Apple fucks up, they generally get cut a bit more slack than Microsoft because Apple appears to care about their products more than MS, so neglect and other bad qualities don't spring to mind as much when mistakes are made.<br>I doubt as many people think that this was because Apple didn't care about OS X compared to MS's treatment of Danger/Sidekick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never underestimate the appearance of someone who actually cares about the products they sell.When Apple fucks up , they generally get cut a bit more slack than Microsoft because Apple appears to care about their products more than MS , so neglect and other bad qualities do n't spring to mind as much when mistakes are made.I doubt as many people think that this was because Apple did n't care about OS X compared to MS 's treatment of Danger/Sidekick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never underestimate the appearance of someone who actually cares about the products they sell.When Apple fucks up, they generally get cut a bit more slack than Microsoft because Apple appears to care about their products more than MS, so neglect and other bad qualities don't spring to mind as much when mistakes are made.I doubt as many people think that this was because Apple didn't care about OS X compared to MS's treatment of Danger/Sidekick.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730711</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It doesn't make sense to be an apologist. I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them. It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too. Get pissed off and help them be better next time.</p></div><p>They don't. Hence the story about this and all the griping on the forums.</p><p>While data loss is a major issue, you have to admit that this is a fairly "random" set of prerequisites to trigger this (serious) bug.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't make sense to be an apologist .
I can not understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them .
It 's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems , too .
Get pissed off and help them be better next time.They do n't .
Hence the story about this and all the griping on the forums.While data loss is a major issue , you have to admit that this is a fairly " random " set of prerequisites to trigger this ( serious ) bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't make sense to be an apologist.
I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.
It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too.
Get pissed off and help them be better next time.They don't.
Hence the story about this and all the griping on the forums.While data loss is a major issue, you have to admit that this is a fairly "random" set of prerequisites to trigger this (serious) bug.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727839</id>
	<title>Re:Time Machine problem too...</title>
	<author>broken\_chaos</author>
	<datestamp>1255362060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec" title="cgsecurity.org">PhotoRec</a> [cgsecurity.org] (don't let the name fool you) works for most user data files. It doesn't organise them (just fairly-opaque names like "f12948529.png" or "b29458923.zip"), and picks up a fair amount of garbage (OS files, for example), but it's quite good at getting everything that hasn't been overwritten.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PhotoRec [ cgsecurity.org ] ( do n't let the name fool you ) works for most user data files .
It does n't organise them ( just fairly-opaque names like " f12948529.png " or " b29458923.zip " ) , and picks up a fair amount of garbage ( OS files , for example ) , but it 's quite good at getting everything that has n't been overwritten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PhotoRec [cgsecurity.org] (don't let the name fool you) works for most user data files.
It doesn't organise them (just fairly-opaque names like "f12948529.png" or "b29458923.zip"), and picks up a fair amount of garbage (OS files, for example), but it's quite good at getting everything that hasn't been overwritten.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728281</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255366260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're not giving Apple a free pass, go look at some Mac news sites today to see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're not giving Apple a free pass , go look at some Mac news sites today to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're not giving Apple a free pass, go look at some Mac news sites today to see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726743</id>
	<title>John C. Randolph, why are there so many bugs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>John C. Randolph, I hear that you no longer work for Apple, but I think that you can deliver us some badly-needed facts.</p><p>John, why has Snow Leopard been plagued with so many bugs? We didn't see this with earlier releases of Mac OS X. What has changed to make the recent release so buggy? And these aren't minor issues, either. This bug in particular is quite serious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>John C. Randolph , I hear that you no longer work for Apple , but I think that you can deliver us some badly-needed facts.John , why has Snow Leopard been plagued with so many bugs ?
We did n't see this with earlier releases of Mac OS X. What has changed to make the recent release so buggy ?
And these are n't minor issues , either .
This bug in particular is quite serious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>John C. Randolph, I hear that you no longer work for Apple, but I think that you can deliver us some badly-needed facts.John, why has Snow Leopard been plagued with so many bugs?
We didn't see this with earlier releases of Mac OS X. What has changed to make the recent release so buggy?
And these aren't minor issues, either.
This bug in particular is quite serious.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726599</id>
	<title>Guess they never tested that function...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha! That's what you get for using OSX people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
That 's what you get for using OSX people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
That's what you get for using OSX people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729333</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft's next action . . .</title>
	<author>Guy Harris</author>
	<datestamp>1255466760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MS's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform...</p></div><p> <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1899" title="apple.com">They already have</a> [apple.com].  Which one would you like?  Windows XP or Windows Vista (or, probably, Windows 7)?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS 's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform... They already have [ apple.com ] .
Which one would you like ?
Windows XP or Windows Vista ( or , probably , Windows 7 ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform... They already have [apple.com].
Which one would you like?
Windows XP or Windows Vista (or, probably, Windows 7)?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727293</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1255357980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, of course.  They're only counting dead drives.  The ones that didn't fail don't get counted.  Also, it's far less disturbing when you know that they were introduced roughly 20 months ago, and the vast majority weren't sold in the first three months of availability.</p><p>Further, I'm quite disappointed in your wording.  I was expecting to see an article about buried bomb shelters having inadequate supplies or ventilation or something, and people trying to live in them long term after buying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , of course .
They 're only counting dead drives .
The ones that did n't fail do n't get counted .
Also , it 's far less disturbing when you know that they were introduced roughly 20 months ago , and the vast majority were n't sold in the first three months of availability.Further , I 'm quite disappointed in your wording .
I was expecting to see an article about buried bomb shelters having inadequate supplies or ventilation or something , and people trying to live in them long term after buying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, of course.
They're only counting dead drives.
The ones that didn't fail don't get counted.
Also, it's far less disturbing when you know that they were introduced roughly 20 months ago, and the vast majority weren't sold in the first three months of availability.Further, I'm quite disappointed in your wording.
I was expecting to see an article about buried bomb shelters having inadequate supplies or ventilation or something, and people trying to live in them long term after buying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727961</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1255363200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup <b>(aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).</b> </p></div><p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron\_Popeil" title="wikipedia.org">Ron Popeil</a> [wikipedia.org] is deeply saddened.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility ( Time Machine ) failed the last backup ( aka... " set it and forget it " is flawed ) .
Ron Popeil [ wikipedia.org ] is deeply saddened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup (aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).
Ron Popeil [wikipedia.org] is deeply saddened.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728975</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>GaryPatterson</author>
	<datestamp>1255375500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sod that for a joke.</p><p>If I lost all my data again due to an Apple bug, I'd be furious.</p><p>I know, it's happened to me before. Back in the day I had the all-in-one black PowerMac 5500/250 (PPC 603e machine) and there was a system software version that caused the entire hard drive to become unreadable.</p><p>The only solution was to reformat and start again.</p><p>The first time taught me all about backing up. The second time made me seriously consider other hardware vendors. It didn't happen a third time (yay) and the years since have been so trouble-free that I'm happy to write those experiences off now.</p><p>Apple's phone support line had no better advice than 'we're working on a system patch so keep backing up!' Worst and most useless advice ever, couldn't tell me what triggers the failure or when it would be fixed, and back then system patches came every few years in the form of major system updates.</p><p>The belief that Apple users are unthinking drones who lap up everything they're presented with and thank Apple for the opportunity is exactly as accurate as the belief that Windows users are socially retarded geeks who believe anything from Redmond is great, or that Linux users are uber hackers who can't imagine aesthetics, let alone implement them.</p><p>You're pandering to one of those stereotypes, but it's weak and unrealistic, and I'm fairly sure you know that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sod that for a joke.If I lost all my data again due to an Apple bug , I 'd be furious.I know , it 's happened to me before .
Back in the day I had the all-in-one black PowerMac 5500/250 ( PPC 603e machine ) and there was a system software version that caused the entire hard drive to become unreadable.The only solution was to reformat and start again.The first time taught me all about backing up .
The second time made me seriously consider other hardware vendors .
It did n't happen a third time ( yay ) and the years since have been so trouble-free that I 'm happy to write those experiences off now.Apple 's phone support line had no better advice than 'we 're working on a system patch so keep backing up !
' Worst and most useless advice ever , could n't tell me what triggers the failure or when it would be fixed , and back then system patches came every few years in the form of major system updates.The belief that Apple users are unthinking drones who lap up everything they 're presented with and thank Apple for the opportunity is exactly as accurate as the belief that Windows users are socially retarded geeks who believe anything from Redmond is great , or that Linux users are uber hackers who ca n't imagine aesthetics , let alone implement them.You 're pandering to one of those stereotypes , but it 's weak and unrealistic , and I 'm fairly sure you know that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sod that for a joke.If I lost all my data again due to an Apple bug, I'd be furious.I know, it's happened to me before.
Back in the day I had the all-in-one black PowerMac 5500/250 (PPC 603e machine) and there was a system software version that caused the entire hard drive to become unreadable.The only solution was to reformat and start again.The first time taught me all about backing up.
The second time made me seriously consider other hardware vendors.
It didn't happen a third time (yay) and the years since have been so trouble-free that I'm happy to write those experiences off now.Apple's phone support line had no better advice than 'we're working on a system patch so keep backing up!
' Worst and most useless advice ever, couldn't tell me what triggers the failure or when it would be fixed, and back then system patches came every few years in the form of major system updates.The belief that Apple users are unthinking drones who lap up everything they're presented with and thank Apple for the opportunity is exactly as accurate as the belief that Windows users are socially retarded geeks who believe anything from Redmond is great, or that Linux users are uber hackers who can't imagine aesthetics, let alone implement them.You're pandering to one of those stereotypes, but it's weak and unrealistic, and I'm fairly sure you know that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727371</id>
	<title>Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1255358640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?  If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.</p><p>In the computer world, people just accept that "All my photographs, resume, music, documents, tax returns, whatever" being lost forever is par for the course.</p><p>How do you measure the value of data?  You can't assign $/KB of data, as one couldn't equate a 20MB Stephen King unpublished manuscript to be equivalent to 4 hi-res pictures of my wife's flower garden.  However, I'm not a fan or Stephen King, but my wife loves her flower garden.</p><p>Should computers (or electric devices in general) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says, </p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Not guaranteed to maintain data integrity, always back up your data. Use at your own risk."</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers ( Civil , Electrical , Mechanical ) are ?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design , or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed , people head to their local courthouse and sue.In the computer world , people just accept that " All my photographs , resume , music , documents , tax returns , whatever " being lost forever is par for the course.How do you measure the value of data ?
You ca n't assign $ /KB of data , as one could n't equate a 20MB Stephen King unpublished manuscript to be equivalent to 4 hi-res pictures of my wife 's flower garden .
However , I 'm not a fan or Stephen King , but my wife loves her flower garden.Should computers ( or electric devices in general ) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says , " Not guaranteed to maintain data integrity , always back up your data .
Use at your own risk .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.In the computer world, people just accept that "All my photographs, resume, music, documents, tax returns, whatever" being lost forever is par for the course.How do you measure the value of data?
You can't assign $/KB of data, as one couldn't equate a 20MB Stephen King unpublished manuscript to be equivalent to 4 hi-res pictures of my wife's flower garden.
However, I'm not a fan or Stephen King, but my wife loves her flower garden.Should computers (or electric devices in general) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says, "Not guaranteed to maintain data integrity, always back up your data.
Use at your own risk.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727395</id>
	<title>Opportunity</title>
	<author>wasabi2k</author>
	<datestamp>1255358880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I imagine now would be a really great time to start advertising OS X UnDelete! Recover Deleted Files!

Great opportunity for either a systems tools vendor or someone pushing malware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine now would be a really great time to start advertising OS X UnDelete !
Recover Deleted Files !
Great opportunity for either a systems tools vendor or someone pushing malware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine now would be a really great time to start advertising OS X UnDelete!
Recover Deleted Files!
Great opportunity for either a systems tools vendor or someone pushing malware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728803</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>NateTech</author>
	<datestamp>1255372020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So buy a $50 USB drive.  Time Machine doesn't need Time Capsule to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So buy a $ 50 USB drive .
Time Machine does n't need Time Capsule to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So buy a $50 USB drive.
Time Machine doesn't need Time Capsule to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727515</id>
	<title>Its not a bug: its a feature</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Besides that, you didnt really want all that data anyways.<br>You will be much happier without it.</p><p>And all you people who didnt back up, its your fault, you hear me?<br>You get this great software for free and you expect it to be bug free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides that , you didnt really want all that data anyways.You will be much happier without it.And all you people who didnt back up , its your fault , you hear me ? You get this great software for free and you expect it to be bug free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides that, you didnt really want all that data anyways.You will be much happier without it.And all you people who didnt back up, its your fault, you hear me?You get this great software for free and you expect it to be bug free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726989</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255355520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if there is any truth to that, then mine is defective!    I want my money back!</p><p>It's been running since 2008.03!  It's now 2009.10, so it should have failed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh wait, there is goes.  Nevermind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if there is any truth to that , then mine is defective !
I want my money back ! It 's been running since 2008.03 !
It 's now 2009.10 , so it should have failed ... oh wait , there is goes .
Nevermind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if there is any truth to that, then mine is defective!
I want my money back!It's been running since 2008.03!
It's now 2009.10, so it should have failed ... oh wait, there is goes.
Nevermind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727673</id>
	<title>Hi, I'm data on a Mac hard drive..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255360740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and I'm Mac OSX. As you know, Mac OSX is the most stable, safe OS around, isn't that right, Mac Data?</p><p>Yes!. All I want to say is LNJHBKJQ*&amp;*&amp;O$\_!#HNKJDLW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and I 'm Mac OSX .
As you know , Mac OSX is the most stable , safe OS around , is n't that right , Mac Data ? Yes ! .
All I want to say is LNJHBKJQ * &amp; * &amp;O $ \ _ ! # HNKJDLW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and I'm Mac OSX.
As you know, Mac OSX is the most stable, safe OS around, isn't that right, Mac Data?Yes!.
All I want to say is LNJHBKJQ*&amp;*&amp;O$\_!#HNKJDLW</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728579</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255369440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?</i></p><p>When you start paying $100,000 for an operating system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers ( Civil , Electrical , Mechanical ) are ? When you start paying $ 100,000 for an operating system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?When you start paying $100,000 for an operating system?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726627</id>
	<title>Mac OS stole naming convention</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mac OS stole naming convention from Ubuntu.</p><p>Gay Cheetah<br>Gay Puma<br>Gay Jaguar<br>Gay Panther<br>Gay Tiger<br>Gay Leopard<br>Gay Snow leopard</p><p>Ok so maybe it's not that similar after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac OS stole naming convention from Ubuntu.Gay CheetahGay PumaGay JaguarGay PantherGay TigerGay LeopardGay Snow leopardOk so maybe it 's not that similar after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac OS stole naming convention from Ubuntu.Gay CheetahGay PumaGay JaguarGay PantherGay TigerGay LeopardGay Snow leopardOk so maybe it's not that similar after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726613</id>
	<title>Expected behavior</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the Mac community, guests are expected to clean up after fucking you in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Mac community , guests are expected to clean up after fucking you in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Mac community, guests are expected to clean up after fucking you in the ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726785</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean unfortunately. App&pound;e is evil, even more so than Micro$oft. The sooner people realize it, the better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean unfortunately .
App   e is evil , even more so than Micro $ oft .
The sooner people realize it , the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean unfortunately.
App£e is evil, even more so than Micro$oft.
The sooner people realize it, the better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726693</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>Kamokazi</author>
	<datestamp>1255353660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That <a href="http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/time-capsule-failures-lead-to-opening-of-virtual-cemetery.ars" title="arstechnica.com">may not be a very good idea</a> [arstechnica.com] either...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That may not be a very good idea [ arstechnica.com ] either.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That may not be a very good idea [arstechnica.com] either...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29732521</id>
	<title>Re:Guest is denied local login</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1255451760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine, I would create a limited account for that purpose alone.</p></div><p>That sounds like a lot of work and hard to get right. Before Apple implemented a guest account, I had a limited rights account on the machine in my living room so people at parties and frineds who were over could check their mail or look something up without any security risk. Creating a properly restricted account is non-trivial. When Apple created it for me, they did a better job locking it down than I did and built a nice process to wipe the data every time, so one of my guests could not leave a trojan or keylogger for another. It's  lot easier and safer than creating a new account every tie and them manually deleting it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine , I would create a limited account for that purpose alone.That sounds like a lot of work and hard to get right .
Before Apple implemented a guest account , I had a limited rights account on the machine in my living room so people at parties and frineds who were over could check their mail or look something up without any security risk .
Creating a properly restricted account is non-trivial .
When Apple created it for me , they did a better job locking it down than I did and built a nice process to wipe the data every time , so one of my guests could not leave a trojan or keylogger for another .
It 's lot easier and safer than creating a new account every tie and them manually deleting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine, I would create a limited account for that purpose alone.That sounds like a lot of work and hard to get right.
Before Apple implemented a guest account, I had a limited rights account on the machine in my living room so people at parties and frineds who were over could check their mail or look something up without any security risk.
Creating a properly restricted account is non-trivial.
When Apple created it for me, they did a better job locking it down than I did and built a nice process to wipe the data every time, so one of my guests could not leave a trojan or keylogger for another.
It's  lot easier and safer than creating a new account every tie and them manually deleting it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728163</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255364940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>whoa there cowboy.<br> <br>
Maybe I'm completely mistaken, but unless you're still using fat, a program should never be able to corrupt your filesystem such that it's not recoverable. Even more, in Windows since Vista, no program will crash the computer -- driver errors yes, but userland programs? nope.  Now, I've seen many a mac crash from buggy software over the past while, but no Windows program.  And if they do, corruption cannot happen, because the filesystem should be recoverable -- be it mac, linux or windowz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>whoa there cowboy .
Maybe I 'm completely mistaken , but unless you 're still using fat , a program should never be able to corrupt your filesystem such that it 's not recoverable .
Even more , in Windows since Vista , no program will crash the computer -- driver errors yes , but userland programs ?
nope. Now , I 've seen many a mac crash from buggy software over the past while , but no Windows program .
And if they do , corruption can not happen , because the filesystem should be recoverable -- be it mac , linux or windowz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whoa there cowboy.
Maybe I'm completely mistaken, but unless you're still using fat, a program should never be able to corrupt your filesystem such that it's not recoverable.
Even more, in Windows since Vista, no program will crash the computer -- driver errors yes, but userland programs?
nope.  Now, I've seen many a mac crash from buggy software over the past while, but no Windows program.
And if they do, corruption cannot happen, because the filesystem should be recoverable -- be it mac, linux or windowz.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727027</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>MBCook</author>
	<datestamp>1255355940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup (aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).</p></div></blockquote><p>That's why time machine has a little icon you can show in your menu bar that shows if the last backup failed.</p><blockquote><div><p>an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" active</p></div></blockquote><p>From what I've read, this only happens with guest accounts created under Leopard, not guest accounts created under Snow Leopard. You'd have to upgrade, which last I read only 20\% of users had. Then you take the percentage that uses guest accounts....
</p><p>I really like Time Machine, but I do have two faults with it. The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke. "Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you, *tinyfont* once you buy an extra drive */tinyfont*'.
</p><p>Second, Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up. I'd <b>really</b> like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that. If a file changed, but the fileystem data says it hasn't been modified... I'd like a way to see that or be warned.
</p><p>On the subject of the article though... yeah... this is a pretty nasty bug, especially since any unprivileged user (the definition of a guest) could trigger it if your system was vulnerable.</p></div>
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<tokenext>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility ( Time Machine ) failed the last backup ( aka... " set it and forget it " is flawed ) .That 's why time machine has a little icon you can show in your menu bar that shows if the last backup failed.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account " feature " activeFrom what I 've read , this only happens with guest accounts created under Leopard , not guest accounts created under Snow Leopard .
You 'd have to upgrade , which last I read only 20 \ % of users had .
Then you take the percentage that uses guest accounts... . I really like Time Machine , but I do have two faults with it .
The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke .
" Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you , * tinyfont * once you buy an extra drive * /tinyfont * ' .
Second , Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up .
I 'd really like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that .
If a file changed , but the fileystem data says it has n't been modified... I 'd like a way to see that or be warned .
On the subject of the article though... yeah... this is a pretty nasty bug , especially since any unprivileged user ( the definition of a guest ) could trigger it if your system was vulnerable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>funny thing is....a friend of mine later found out that the backup utility (Time Machine) failed the last backup (aka..."set it and forget it" is flawed).That's why time machine has a little icon you can show in your menu bar that shows if the last backup failed.an average user is more likely to get hit by it as they are more likely to have the Guest account "feature" activeFrom what I've read, this only happens with guest accounts created under Leopard, not guest accounts created under Snow Leopard.
You'd have to upgrade, which last I read only 20\% of users had.
Then you take the percentage that uses guest accounts....
I really like Time Machine, but I do have two faults with it.
The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke.
"Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you, *tinyfont* once you buy an extra drive */tinyfont*'.
Second, Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up.
I'd really like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that.
If a file changed, but the fileystem data says it hasn't been modified... I'd like a way to see that or be warned.
On the subject of the article though... yeah... this is a pretty nasty bug, especially since any unprivileged user (the definition of a guest) could trigger it if your system was vulnerable.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728529</id>
	<title>Re:Can you take legal action?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255368720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are? If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.</p></div></blockquote><p>When consumers are willing to wait (much) longer, pay (much) more, and/or get (much) less powerful software for the "not warranted for any particular purpose" to be removed from the license text. Don't hold your breath.

</p><p>It's entirely possible to make software that is rock-solid and that people will legally stand behind. But something has to be sacrificed to do so, and I don't imagine consumers will want that trade-off any time soon for the software on their desktop. Rather, people just complain about software developers not taking responsibility without really understanding what that would mean. It's like the old adage - good, fast, cheap, pick any two (if you're lucky). Unless the developers are just incompetent (which theoretically in non-monopolies the market will correct), it's hard to improve in one way without sacrificing something else. Software development is cumulative, so there's some hope of improvement over time - essentially you can mitigate the sacrifice of development speed through reuse - but that only takes you so far.</p><blockquote><div><p>Should computers (or electric devices in general) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says,</p></div> </blockquote><p>What difference would it make? I think that it's common knowledge that you should take backups. Would putting that in warning label form make it more likely for people to actually do so?</p></div>
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<tokenext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers ( Civil , Electrical , Mechanical ) are ?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design , or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed , people head to their local courthouse and sue.When consumers are willing to wait ( much ) longer , pay ( much ) more , and/or get ( much ) less powerful software for the " not warranted for any particular purpose " to be removed from the license text .
Do n't hold your breath .
It 's entirely possible to make software that is rock-solid and that people will legally stand behind .
But something has to be sacrificed to do so , and I do n't imagine consumers will want that trade-off any time soon for the software on their desktop .
Rather , people just complain about software developers not taking responsibility without really understanding what that would mean .
It 's like the old adage - good , fast , cheap , pick any two ( if you 're lucky ) .
Unless the developers are just incompetent ( which theoretically in non-monopolies the market will correct ) , it 's hard to improve in one way without sacrificing something else .
Software development is cumulative , so there 's some hope of improvement over time - essentially you can mitigate the sacrifice of development speed through reuse - but that only takes you so far.Should computers ( or electric devices in general ) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says , What difference would it make ?
I think that it 's common knowledge that you should take backups .
Would putting that in warning label form make it more likely for people to actually do so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will software/computer/IT companies be held to the same standards that other engineers (Civil, Electrical, Mechanical) are?
If a bridge is built and it collapses due to a poor design, or a gadget catches fire or brakes are poorly designed, people head to their local courthouse and sue.When consumers are willing to wait (much) longer, pay (much) more, and/or get (much) less powerful software for the "not warranted for any particular purpose" to be removed from the license text.
Don't hold your breath.
It's entirely possible to make software that is rock-solid and that people will legally stand behind.
But something has to be sacrificed to do so, and I don't imagine consumers will want that trade-off any time soon for the software on their desktop.
Rather, people just complain about software developers not taking responsibility without really understanding what that would mean.
It's like the old adage - good, fast, cheap, pick any two (if you're lucky).
Unless the developers are just incompetent (which theoretically in non-monopolies the market will correct), it's hard to improve in one way without sacrificing something else.
Software development is cumulative, so there's some hope of improvement over time - essentially you can mitigate the sacrifice of development speed through reuse - but that only takes you so far.Should computers (or electric devices in general) with persistent storage carry a huge warning label on them that says, What difference would it make?
I think that it's common knowledge that you should take backups.
Would putting that in warning label form make it more likely for people to actually do so?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728605</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Arctic Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1255369800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the story's title was "Major Windows 7 Bug Said To Delete User Data", the story would have 1000+ comments by now, most of them bashing Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the story 's title was " Major Windows 7 Bug Said To Delete User Data " , the story would have 1000 + comments by now , most of them bashing Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the story's title was "Major Windows 7 Bug Said To Delete User Data", the story would have 1000+ comments by now, most of them bashing Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729435</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>vague disclaimer</author>
	<datestamp>1255424880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.</i> <p>


What? As opposed to the complete silence you get on Slashdot, as illustrated in - ooh, I dunno...this thread...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article .
What ? As opposed to the complete silence you get on Slashdot , as illustrated in - ooh , I dunno...this thread... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.
What? As opposed to the complete silence you get on Slashdot, as illustrated in - ooh, I dunno...this thread...?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727171</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1255357020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet that Mozy would have gone in that direction if they hadn't been swallowed by EMC which knows nothing about running a consumer organization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet that Mozy would have gone in that direction if they had n't been swallowed by EMC which knows nothing about running a consumer organization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet that Mozy would have gone in that direction if they hadn't been swallowed by EMC which knows nothing about running a consumer organization.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29737507</id>
	<title>mac's new ad?</title>
	<author>prozaker</author>
	<datestamp>1255429740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hi I'm a mac, and I'm a pc.
<br>
Hi there pc, what do u have there? *looks towards some guy in a suit with a folder with papers * <br>
<br>
some files... and you? <br>
<br>
*guy shredding papers* uhm what?</htmltext>
<tokenext>hi I 'm a mac , and I 'm a pc .
Hi there pc , what do u have there ?
* looks towards some guy in a suit with a folder with papers * some files... and you ?
* guy shredding papers * uhm what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hi I'm a mac, and I'm a pc.
Hi there pc, what do u have there?
*looks towards some guy in a suit with a folder with papers * 

some files... and you?
*guy shredding papers* uhm what?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727933</id>
	<title>This isn't a bug...  It's iClean!</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1255362960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steve Jobs clearly intended for this to happen, as it's called iClean and is a service whereby the clutter of the Administrative account is eliminated.  You do not need any functionality or data beyond which Apple already supplies, so in an effort to keep your computer healthy iClean will auto-scrub your account.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Jobs clearly intended for this to happen , as it 's called iClean and is a service whereby the clutter of the Administrative account is eliminated .
You do not need any functionality or data beyond which Apple already supplies , so in an effort to keep your computer healthy iClean will auto-scrub your account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Jobs clearly intended for this to happen, as it's called iClean and is a service whereby the clutter of the Administrative account is eliminated.
You do not need any functionality or data beyond which Apple already supplies, so in an effort to keep your computer healthy iClean will auto-scrub your account.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726829</id>
	<title>Guest is denied local login</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1255354500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>by default, so you have to go out of your way to enable it. I would not do it, if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine, I would create a limited account for that purpose alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>by default , so you have to go out of your way to enable it .
I would not do it , if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine , I would create a limited account for that purpose alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by default, so you have to go out of your way to enable it.
I would not do it, if really wanted to allow someone limited local access to the machine, I would create a limited account for that purpose alone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727531</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Torrance</author>
	<datestamp>1255359780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel compelled to correct your signature:</p><p>I believe it's "for all <strong>intents and purposes</strong>", which would make more sense too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel compelled to correct your signature : I believe it 's " for all intents and purposes " , which would make more sense too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel compelled to correct your signature:I believe it's "for all intents and purposes", which would make more sense too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728699</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255370940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shut the fuck up you piece of shit Apple apologist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shut the fuck up you piece of shit Apple apologist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shut the fuck up you piece of shit Apple apologist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727477</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Jeremi</author>
	<datestamp>1255359360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> The fact that [Time Machine] requires a separate drive is something of a joke</i></p><p>It actually doesn't require a second drive... you can have it back to up another partition on the same drive.  It will warn you that you're about to do something stupid, but it will let you do it if you really want to.</p><p>I trust that it's clear why backing up your data to another partition on the same drive is generally a dumb thing to do.</p><p><i>Second, Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up. I'd really like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that. If a file changed, but the fileystem data says it hasn't been modified... I'd like a way to see that or be warned.</i></p><p>According to an article I read (that I can no longer find on line<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:^( ), Time Machine works by having a daemon that runs continuously and is notified whenever a file is created or written to.  That daemon merely maintains the set of "dirty files" in the file system; when it comes time for Time Machine to do its thing, Time Machine grabs the dirty-files-set from the daemon and copies just those files over to the backup, then tells the daemon to clear its list of dirty files.</p><p>So Time Machine isn't actually "scanning your drive", it's just copying a list of known-changed files over.  Presumably if they were to add scanning for drive corruption, it would make things much slower than they are now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that [ Time Machine ] requires a separate drive is something of a jokeIt actually does n't require a second drive... you can have it back to up another partition on the same drive .
It will warn you that you 're about to do something stupid , but it will let you do it if you really want to.I trust that it 's clear why backing up your data to another partition on the same drive is generally a dumb thing to do.Second , Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up .
I 'd really like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that .
If a file changed , but the fileystem data says it has n't been modified... I 'd like a way to see that or be warned.According to an article I read ( that I can no longer find on line : ^ ( ) , Time Machine works by having a daemon that runs continuously and is notified whenever a file is created or written to .
That daemon merely maintains the set of " dirty files " in the file system ; when it comes time for Time Machine to do its thing , Time Machine grabs the dirty-files-set from the daemon and copies just those files over to the backup , then tells the daemon to clear its list of dirty files.So Time Machine is n't actually " scanning your drive " , it 's just copying a list of known-changed files over .
Presumably if they were to add scanning for drive corruption , it would make things much slower than they are now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The fact that [Time Machine] requires a separate drive is something of a jokeIt actually doesn't require a second drive... you can have it back to up another partition on the same drive.
It will warn you that you're about to do something stupid, but it will let you do it if you really want to.I trust that it's clear why backing up your data to another partition on the same drive is generally a dumb thing to do.Second, Time Machine is always scanning my drive checking if it needs to back things up.
I'd really like it to try to scan for silent corruption while doing that.
If a file changed, but the fileystem data says it hasn't been modified... I'd like a way to see that or be warned.According to an article I read (that I can no longer find on line :^( ), Time Machine works by having a daemon that runs continuously and is notified whenever a file is created or written to.
That daemon merely maintains the set of "dirty files" in the file system; when it comes time for Time Machine to do its thing, Time Machine grabs the dirty-files-set from the daemon and copies just those files over to the backup, then tells the daemon to clear its list of dirty files.So Time Machine isn't actually "scanning your drive", it's just copying a list of known-changed files over.
Presumably if they were to add scanning for drive corruption, it would make things much slower than they are now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728671</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255370520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This does happen in Vista.  When the OS tries to do a "Startup Repair" on a failed HD, it sometimes deletes what's left of the user's profile data.  (I've seen it happen twice, personally).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does happen in Vista .
When the OS tries to do a " Startup Repair " on a failed HD , it sometimes deletes what 's left of the user 's profile data .
( I 've seen it happen twice , personally ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This does happen in Vista.
When the OS tries to do a "Startup Repair" on a failed HD, it sometimes deletes what's left of the user's profile data.
(I've seen it happen twice, personally).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727047</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255356060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys</p></div></blockquote><p>

Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems. There are no issue with Mac, OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women's panties.<br> <br>

Guest or permission limited accounts are necessary for anyone who take security seriously. I use them on my Linux and Windows home boxes and at work if you cant qualify for a permission limited domain account you dont get on. The point of a guest account is to limit the amount of damage a user can do, frankly if you're not using a guest account then you're doing it wrong, especially if you let others use your machine. No matter on what OS this is it is a pretty serious bug.<br> <br>

It never ceases to amaze me that Mac fanboys can never admit to a bug no matter how serious (I guess it does contradict the "just works" thing but still) and yet continually berate MS and Linux for the tiniest of errors. Bugs happen and need to be fixed, no-one is immune to this and you only make a problem 10 times worse by denying it. But I've no doubt the Mac fanboys have labelled me a "hater" and "MS fanboy" and are furiously typing in their replies whilst trying not to get spittle on their keyboards.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I 'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems .
There are no issue with Mac , OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women 's panties .
Guest or permission limited accounts are necessary for anyone who take security seriously .
I use them on my Linux and Windows home boxes and at work if you cant qualify for a permission limited domain account you dont get on .
The point of a guest account is to limit the amount of damage a user can do , frankly if you 're not using a guest account then you 're doing it wrong , especially if you let others use your machine .
No matter on what OS this is it is a pretty serious bug .
It never ceases to amaze me that Mac fanboys can never admit to a bug no matter how serious ( I guess it does contradict the " just works " thing but still ) and yet continually berate MS and Linux for the tiniest of errors .
Bugs happen and need to be fixed , no-one is immune to this and you only make a problem 10 times worse by denying it .
But I 've no doubt the Mac fanboys have labelled me a " hater " and " MS fanboy " and are furiously typing in their replies whilst trying not to get spittle on their keyboards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys

Because cognitive dissonance is far superior to actually facing problems.
There are no issue with Mac, OS X or any apple product and anyone who says anything to the contrary is a lair and a drunkard who wears women's panties.
Guest or permission limited accounts are necessary for anyone who take security seriously.
I use them on my Linux and Windows home boxes and at work if you cant qualify for a permission limited domain account you dont get on.
The point of a guest account is to limit the amount of damage a user can do, frankly if you're not using a guest account then you're doing it wrong, especially if you let others use your machine.
No matter on what OS this is it is a pretty serious bug.
It never ceases to amaze me that Mac fanboys can never admit to a bug no matter how serious (I guess it does contradict the "just works" thing but still) and yet continually berate MS and Linux for the tiniest of errors.
Bugs happen and need to be fixed, no-one is immune to this and you only make a problem 10 times worse by denying it.
But I've no doubt the Mac fanboys have labelled me a "hater" and "MS fanboy" and are furiously typing in their replies whilst trying not to get spittle on their keyboards.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726565</id>
	<title>Re:Oh.</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1255353000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That <i>does</i> reek of tinfoil hats, but you shouldn't have to have a serious concern to adopt a backup strategy - timecapsule or otherwise.</p><p>That being said, we have yet to see a single person raise this complaint where I work.  When one comes in it'll get my full attention and we'll find out why it's happening.</p><p>Speculating somewhat wildly since I don't have a specimen to examine, it probably has to do with the deletion of the temp data from the guest session.  Seeing users manage to disconnect their home folder from their account has been seen before, and causes everything to appear to "go away", but it's all just in another folder.  Major inconvenience to fix (or bring it to us) but nothing is <i>lost</i>.  So I'm interested to know if this is a problem of data hiding or truly being erased.  Though since it's related to the guest account I'm suspecting data loss as previously described.</p><p>Getting back to time capsule though, I don't like it myself (rsync me baby) but our customers have been very happy with it and it's saved their bacon on dozens of failed hard drives we've had to (warranty) replace.  Even if only used for a backup, a $170 1TB HD sure beats a $2,500 bill from drivesavers or total recall etc.  I'm amazed other companies (dell etc) don't bundle some sort of backup software.  They're all using the same HDs as apple so it's not like anyone is more or less proof against HD failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That does reek of tinfoil hats , but you should n't have to have a serious concern to adopt a backup strategy - timecapsule or otherwise.That being said , we have yet to see a single person raise this complaint where I work .
When one comes in it 'll get my full attention and we 'll find out why it 's happening.Speculating somewhat wildly since I do n't have a specimen to examine , it probably has to do with the deletion of the temp data from the guest session .
Seeing users manage to disconnect their home folder from their account has been seen before , and causes everything to appear to " go away " , but it 's all just in another folder .
Major inconvenience to fix ( or bring it to us ) but nothing is lost .
So I 'm interested to know if this is a problem of data hiding or truly being erased .
Though since it 's related to the guest account I 'm suspecting data loss as previously described.Getting back to time capsule though , I do n't like it myself ( rsync me baby ) but our customers have been very happy with it and it 's saved their bacon on dozens of failed hard drives we 've had to ( warranty ) replace .
Even if only used for a backup , a $ 170 1TB HD sure beats a $ 2,500 bill from drivesavers or total recall etc .
I 'm amazed other companies ( dell etc ) do n't bundle some sort of backup software .
They 're all using the same HDs as apple so it 's not like anyone is more or less proof against HD failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That does reek of tinfoil hats, but you shouldn't have to have a serious concern to adopt a backup strategy - timecapsule or otherwise.That being said, we have yet to see a single person raise this complaint where I work.
When one comes in it'll get my full attention and we'll find out why it's happening.Speculating somewhat wildly since I don't have a specimen to examine, it probably has to do with the deletion of the temp data from the guest session.
Seeing users manage to disconnect their home folder from their account has been seen before, and causes everything to appear to "go away", but it's all just in another folder.
Major inconvenience to fix (or bring it to us) but nothing is lost.
So I'm interested to know if this is a problem of data hiding or truly being erased.
Though since it's related to the guest account I'm suspecting data loss as previously described.Getting back to time capsule though, I don't like it myself (rsync me baby) but our customers have been very happy with it and it's saved their bacon on dozens of failed hard drives we've had to (warranty) replace.
Even if only used for a backup, a $170 1TB HD sure beats a $2,500 bill from drivesavers or total recall etc.
I'm amazed other companies (dell etc) don't bundle some sort of backup software.
They're all using the same HDs as apple so it's not like anyone is more or less proof against HD failure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729007</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1255375920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Windows, on the other hand, is generally recognized (with decent evidence) as a total clusterfuck, so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts.</p></div></blockquote><p>When I did Acrobat technical support (and InDesign tech support) for Adobe back when it was in the US - I don't recall a single patch, OS upgrade or anything released by Microsoft that ever broke our programs (in any major way). The only exception was 64 bit Windows where the Adobe PDF printer driver didn't work until Acrobat 8.1 was released. All techs at the time had to support both Windows and Mac (I had a Mac Pro, G5 and a Dell T5400 on my desk).</p><p>Apple repeatedly broke our apps whether it was network file locking, launching, printing (one bug I noticed they have yet to fix is printing to custom page sizes - I haven't tested this in snow leopard admittedly). I don't think there was a single dot release that didn't affect at least one of our products in some negative way where we had to release a patch to fix a problem - sometimes very quickly.</p><p>One thing is clear - Microsoft took quality assurance and compatibility far more seriously than Apple ever did, and they took the platform compatibility bugs very serious unlike RADAR which is essentially a black hole.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Windows , on the other hand , is generally recognized ( with decent evidence ) as a total clusterfuck , so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts.When I did Acrobat technical support ( and InDesign tech support ) for Adobe back when it was in the US - I do n't recall a single patch , OS upgrade or anything released by Microsoft that ever broke our programs ( in any major way ) .
The only exception was 64 bit Windows where the Adobe PDF printer driver did n't work until Acrobat 8.1 was released .
All techs at the time had to support both Windows and Mac ( I had a Mac Pro , G5 and a Dell T5400 on my desk ) .Apple repeatedly broke our apps whether it was network file locking , launching , printing ( one bug I noticed they have yet to fix is printing to custom page sizes - I have n't tested this in snow leopard admittedly ) .
I do n't think there was a single dot release that did n't affect at least one of our products in some negative way where we had to release a patch to fix a problem - sometimes very quickly.One thing is clear - Microsoft took quality assurance and compatibility far more seriously than Apple ever did , and they took the platform compatibility bugs very serious unlike RADAR which is essentially a black hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows, on the other hand, is generally recognized (with decent evidence) as a total clusterfuck, so reminding that they could get Linux for free instead of putting up with that shit is actually likely to net some converts.When I did Acrobat technical support (and InDesign tech support) for Adobe back when it was in the US - I don't recall a single patch, OS upgrade or anything released by Microsoft that ever broke our programs (in any major way).
The only exception was 64 bit Windows where the Adobe PDF printer driver didn't work until Acrobat 8.1 was released.
All techs at the time had to support both Windows and Mac (I had a Mac Pro, G5 and a Dell T5400 on my desk).Apple repeatedly broke our apps whether it was network file locking, launching, printing (one bug I noticed they have yet to fix is printing to custom page sizes - I haven't tested this in snow leopard admittedly).
I don't think there was a single dot release that didn't affect at least one of our products in some negative way where we had to release a patch to fix a problem - sometimes very quickly.One thing is clear - Microsoft took quality assurance and compatibility far more seriously than Apple ever did, and they took the platform compatibility bugs very serious unlike RADAR which is essentially a black hole.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728593</id>
	<title>Re:Apple....</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1255369620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them. It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too. Get pissed off and help them be better next time.</p></div><p>Wait a bug that has affected about 100 reported users is on the front page of Slashdot and a dozen other tech news sites and that's what you call being given a free pass? Are you insane?</p><p>Seriously it sucks that this bug exists and I'd be pissed as hell if it happened to me but I don't understand how you can claim this is a major bug and Apple is being given a free pass. This affects users who are in the 20\% or so using snow leopard who are also in the subset that they upgraded from Leopard and the further subset that had a guest account enabled under leopard and the subset of that that had a crash while using a guest account and rebooted and opened an admin account. And for that small subset, it does not even happen consistently. That's a pretty unusual and edge case bug, only notable because the results are so devastating. It's probably a lot less common than people who lose their data because of a catastrophic hard drive failure. And it's being billed as a major failure an Apple's part. That's just one of those bugs that QA is unlikely to have found, even if they're being thorough. Getting pissed at Apple won't do much good other than to make Apple developers decide users and the press are unreasonable and there's no point in trying, since any weird edge case bug will be get them as much bad press as if they had a major easily detectable bug.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I can not understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them .
It 's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems , too .
Get pissed off and help them be better next time.Wait a bug that has affected about 100 reported users is on the front page of Slashdot and a dozen other tech news sites and that 's what you call being given a free pass ?
Are you insane ? Seriously it sucks that this bug exists and I 'd be pissed as hell if it happened to me but I do n't understand how you can claim this is a major bug and Apple is being given a free pass .
This affects users who are in the 20 \ % or so using snow leopard who are also in the subset that they upgraded from Leopard and the further subset that had a guest account enabled under leopard and the subset of that that had a crash while using a guest account and rebooted and opened an admin account .
And for that small subset , it does not even happen consistently .
That 's a pretty unusual and edge case bug , only notable because the results are so devastating .
It 's probably a lot less common than people who lose their data because of a catastrophic hard drive failure .
And it 's being billed as a major failure an Apple 's part .
That 's just one of those bugs that QA is unlikely to have found , even if they 're being thorough .
Getting pissed at Apple wo n't do much good other than to make Apple developers decide users and the press are unreasonable and there 's no point in trying , since any weird edge case bug will be get them as much bad press as if they had a major easily detectable bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot understand why Apple seems to get a free pass from their user community when this sort of thing happens to them.
It's not enough to point out that the other developers have problems, too.
Get pissed off and help them be better next time.Wait a bug that has affected about 100 reported users is on the front page of Slashdot and a dozen other tech news sites and that's what you call being given a free pass?
Are you insane?Seriously it sucks that this bug exists and I'd be pissed as hell if it happened to me but I don't understand how you can claim this is a major bug and Apple is being given a free pass.
This affects users who are in the 20\% or so using snow leopard who are also in the subset that they upgraded from Leopard and the further subset that had a guest account enabled under leopard and the subset of that that had a crash while using a guest account and rebooted and opened an admin account.
And for that small subset, it does not even happen consistently.
That's a pretty unusual and edge case bug, only notable because the results are so devastating.
It's probably a lot less common than people who lose their data because of a catastrophic hard drive failure.
And it's being billed as a major failure an Apple's part.
That's just one of those bugs that QA is unlikely to have found, even if they're being thorough.
Getting pissed at Apple won't do much good other than to make Apple developers decide users and the press are unreasonable and there's no point in trying, since any weird edge case bug will be get them as much bad press as if they had a major easily detectable bug.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728787</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>NateTech</author>
	<datestamp>1255371960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh, I see you've never used Outlook...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh , I see you 've never used Outlook.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh, I see you've never used Outlook...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726665</id>
	<title>not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from the article<br>"Snow Leopard has been plagued with bugs since its release, including problems with the Finder hanging or crashing, incompatibility with certain apps, and the AirPort connection dropping"<br>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from the article " Snow Leopard has been plagued with bugs since its release , including problems with the Finder hanging or crashing , incompatibility with certain apps , and the AirPort connection dropping " wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from the article"Snow Leopard has been plagued with bugs since its release, including problems with the Finder hanging or crashing, incompatibility with certain apps, and the AirPort connection dropping"wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726931</id>
	<title>It's great...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255355160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to be a PC.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Life without walls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to be a PC .
: ) Life without walls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to be a PC.
:)Life without walls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29738147</id>
	<title>BBC</title>
	<author>peterpi</author>
	<datestamp>1255432200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The BBC is also reporting it <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">here</a> [bbc.co.uk].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC is also reporting it here [ bbc.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The BBC is also reporting it here [bbc.co.uk].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730167</id>
	<title>Turn off the guest account</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255436520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Guest account should ALWAYS be disabled on your Mac and as a matter of fact on ANY OS. It's a matter of security. The easiest way to hack a system is with a guest account.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Guest account should ALWAYS be disabled on your Mac and as a matter of fact on ANY OS .
It 's a matter of security .
The easiest way to hack a system is with a guest account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Guest account should ALWAYS be disabled on your Mac and as a matter of fact on ANY OS.
It's a matter of security.
The easiest way to hack a system is with a guest account.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726517</id>
	<title>Hi, I'm a Mac!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and I'm prone to alzheimers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and I 'm prone to alzheimers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and I'm prone to alzheimers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728471</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255367940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I really like Time Machine, but I do have two faults with it. The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke. "Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you, *tinyfont* once you buy an extra drive */tinyfont*'. "</p><p>Yeah, I wish I could back up my data to the same drive it's already on. Then when the drive fails I can replace it and restore my data from the failed... er, wait... D'oh!</p><p>Not too many frequent flier miles on that geek card, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I really like Time Machine , but I do have two faults with it .
The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke .
" Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you , * tinyfont * once you buy an extra drive * /tinyfont * ' .
" Yeah , I wish I could back up my data to the same drive it 's already on .
Then when the drive fails I can replace it and restore my data from the failed... er , wait... D'oh ! Not too many frequent flier miles on that geek card , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I really like Time Machine, but I do have two faults with it.
The fact that it requires a separate drive is something of a joke.
"Every mac comes with automatic backup software that takes care of everything for you, *tinyfont* once you buy an extra drive */tinyfont*'.
"Yeah, I wish I could back up my data to the same drive it's already on.
Then when the drive fails I can replace it and restore my data from the failed... er, wait... D'oh!Not too many frequent flier miles on that geek card, eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729343</id>
	<title>Waiting for the RoughlyDrafted spin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how the guy at Roughlydrafted will explain that this is an excellent new feature of OS X what you cannot find in Vista.</p><p>Wait I just saw that he already has an exclusive report !</p><p>Exclusive: Pink Danger leaks from Microsoft&rsquo;s Windows Phone</p><p>Err, never mind....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the guy at Roughlydrafted will explain that this is an excellent new feature of OS X what you can not find in Vista.Wait I just saw that he already has an exclusive report ! Exclusive : Pink Danger leaks from Microsoft    s Windows PhoneErr , never mind... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the guy at Roughlydrafted will explain that this is an excellent new feature of OS X what you cannot find in Vista.Wait I just saw that he already has an exclusive report !Exclusive: Pink Danger leaks from Microsoft’s Windows PhoneErr, never mind....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29742275</id>
	<title>Re:Well..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255514640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you...</p></div><p>This would have been even funnier if it was the first post.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you...This would have been even funnier if it was the first post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you...This would have been even funnier if it was the first post.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29736143</id>
	<title>Re:Informative?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255424580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; 1) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystem</p><p>USB flash drives use whatever filesystem you format on them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; 1 ) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystemUSB flash drives use whatever filesystem you format on them /AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; 1) USB flash drives use FAT16 or FAT32 not a Mac OS X filesystemUSB flash drives use whatever filesystem you format on them /AC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726763</id>
	<title>Re:Hi, I'm a Mac!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... and I'm prone to alzheimers!</p></div><p>You're also logging into to multiple accounts to create the bug, so you might be prone to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative\_identity\_disorder" title="wikipedia.org">something else</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and I 'm prone to alzheimers ! You 're also logging into to multiple accounts to create the bug , so you might be prone to something else [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and I'm prone to alzheimers!You're also logging into to multiple accounts to create the bug, so you might be prone to something else [wikipedia.org].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727583</id>
	<title>Re:Oh man. Nightmare.</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1255360140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed!</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/story/09/10/11/0335210/Server-Failure-Destroys-Sidekick-Users-Backup-Data" title="slashdot.org">T-Mobile Sidekick user data got deleted as well.</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>I cannot stress this enough, back up your user data often. Even back up data on your mobile devices and cell phones for they can be deleted as well. Even bugs in Mac OSX can delete user data, and even on a Mac it can have a hard drive failure and wipe out your data. Backing up user data should be a part of everyone's daily if not at least weekly routines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed ! T-Mobile Sidekick user data got deleted as well .
[ slashdot.org ] I can not stress this enough , back up your user data often .
Even back up data on your mobile devices and cell phones for they can be deleted as well .
Even bugs in Mac OSX can delete user data , and even on a Mac it can have a hard drive failure and wipe out your data .
Backing up user data should be a part of everyone 's daily if not at least weekly routines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed!T-Mobile Sidekick user data got deleted as well.
[slashdot.org]I cannot stress this enough, back up your user data often.
Even back up data on your mobile devices and cell phones for they can be deleted as well.
Even bugs in Mac OSX can delete user data, and even on a Mac it can have a hard drive failure and wipe out your data.
Backing up user data should be a part of everyone's daily if not at least weekly routines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726547</id>
	<title>Cockroaches</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. are everywhere today trying to distract from the Danger episode!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. are everywhere today trying to distract from the Danger episode !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. are everywhere today trying to distract from the Danger episode!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728071</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1255364220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having said that, I'd like to ask the affected people why they weren't backing their systems up. When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it, it's pretty damned stupid to not use it.</p></div><p>Time Capsule - $299.00</p><p>That's pretty significant incentive for the average user to not make use of it. The procedure is not turn on and forget, but buy an expensive external hard drive, plug that in, then turn it on and forget. Most people don't want to shell out all the extra money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having said that , I 'd like to ask the affected people why they were n't backing their systems up .
When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it , it 's pretty damned stupid to not use it.Time Capsule - $ 299.00That 's pretty significant incentive for the average user to not make use of it .
The procedure is not turn on and forget , but buy an expensive external hard drive , plug that in , then turn it on and forget .
Most people do n't want to shell out all the extra money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having said that, I'd like to ask the affected people why they weren't backing their systems up.
When your system comes with a backup utility that you can literally turn on and forget about until you need it, it's pretty damned stupid to not use it.Time Capsule - $299.00That's pretty significant incentive for the average user to not make use of it.
The procedure is not turn on and forget, but buy an expensive external hard drive, plug that in, then turn it on and forget.
Most people don't want to shell out all the extra money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726887</id>
	<title>Re:This is a bad bug, yes, but...</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1255354920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking around on the net all I can find is 6 users complaining about this. Since the issue is so rare it can not be reproduced easily and therefor will be hard to fix, if it is a real issue at all.</p><p>Isn't it amazing when 1 or 2 people complain about something today it is immediately news?</p><p>Don't get me wrong. If it is an issue it does need to be fixed. It is important for that alone but regardless I'm sure there will be more news articles about this issue than actual people effected in the end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking around on the net all I can find is 6 users complaining about this .
Since the issue is so rare it can not be reproduced easily and therefor will be hard to fix , if it is a real issue at all.Is n't it amazing when 1 or 2 people complain about something today it is immediately news ? Do n't get me wrong .
If it is an issue it does need to be fixed .
It is important for that alone but regardless I 'm sure there will be more news articles about this issue than actual people effected in the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking around on the net all I can find is 6 users complaining about this.
Since the issue is so rare it can not be reproduced easily and therefor will be hard to fix, if it is a real issue at all.Isn't it amazing when 1 or 2 people complain about something today it is immediately news?Don't get me wrong.
If it is an issue it does need to be fixed.
It is important for that alone but regardless I'm sure there will be more news articles about this issue than actual people effected in the end.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29739917</id>
	<title>Gucci sweater woman,Air Max 2009  man shoes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>Hi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos<br>we take paypal as payment, . shoes Nike jordan1-23 $28-42 free shiping. hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached, we are a online shopping mall, we have all kinds of brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, all of our product is best quality but the price is so cheap. You can find the more photos and the price for our product in our website, if interested please email me by we are selling all brand new handbag,</p><p>OUR WEBSITE:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>          Http : //www.tntshoes.comHi friend , we are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe take paypal as payment , .
shoes Nike jordan1-23 $ 28-42 free shiping .
hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached , we are a online shopping mall , we have all kinds of brand new shoes,clothing , handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale , all of our product is best quality but the price is so cheap .
You can find the more photos and the price for our product in our website , if interested please email me by we are selling all brand new handbag,OUR WEBSITE :                                                             Http : //www.tntshoes.com                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com    </tokentext>
<sentencetext>
          Http://www.tntshoes.comHi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe take paypal as payment, .
shoes Nike jordan1-23 $28-42 free shiping.
hellow our website is see our website in the photos attached, we are a online shopping mall, we have all kinds of brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, all of our product is best quality but the price is so cheap.
You can find the more photos and the price for our product in our website, if interested please email me by we are selling all brand new handbag,OUR WEBSITE:
                                                            Http://www.tntshoes.com
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730787</id>
	<title>Macfag status?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.suregottold.com/t/lyEywDjEL4v7uFnpS-iEQqouNagL2yWSIRt-aUI8jQU" title="suregottold.com" rel="nofollow">Told.</a> [suregottold.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Told .
[ suregottold.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Told.
[suregottold.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29730319</id>
	<title>It just works.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255438500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well...it just works assuming you don't want to use the built in functionality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well...it just works assuming you do n't want to use the built in functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well...it just works assuming you don't want to use the built in functionality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29726701</id>
	<title>Apple....</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1255353660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys out to get their cockroach bites while the getting is good.  I've never used the guest account and I always disable it so this is likely not a problem for me.  Also I wonder if the "more than a month old complaints" are actually in the developer forums because the retail version won't pass a month until later this month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I 'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys out to get their cockroach bites while the getting is good .
I 've never used the guest account and I always disable it so this is likely not a problem for me .
Also I wonder if the " more than a month old complaints " are actually in the developer forums because the retail version wo n't pass a month until later this month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well since the only apparent critics are anon cowards I'll just assume that they are all MS fan boys out to get their cockroach bites while the getting is good.
I've never used the guest account and I always disable it so this is likely not a problem for me.
Also I wonder if the "more than a month old complaints" are actually in the developer forums because the retail version won't pass a month until later this month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29727037</id>
	<title>Well..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255356060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did say that Snow Leopard frees up an extra 7GB for you...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728443</id>
	<title>Microsoft's next action . . .</title>
	<author>Tanman</author>
	<datestamp>1255367700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform, then market it as Windows Data Protection Edition.</p><p>har har. yeah yeah yeah.  It's late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS 's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform , then market it as Windows Data Protection Edition.har har .
yeah yeah yeah .
It 's late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS's next action should be to compile a version of Windows that works on the Mac platform, then market it as Windows Data Protection Edition.har har.
yeah yeah yeah.
It's late.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29728539</id>
	<title>Re:not the only problem with the leopard</title>
	<author>MedeaMelana</author>
	<datestamp>1255368840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.</p></div><p>I wonder why people always comment on how many flames MS would receive rather than writing a direct flame.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.I wonder why people always comment on how many flames MS would receive rather than writing a direct flame .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wonder how many 100s of posts flaming MS we would get if this was a vista article.I wonder why people always comment on how many flames MS would receive rather than writing a direct flame.
:-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_2259228.29729089</id>
	<title>APPLE! FIX THIS BUG TOO!</title>
	<author>gd23ka</author>
	<datestamp>1255376940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever since I got MacOS 10.6 "Slow Leopard" my OSX experience with Safari has SUCKED.<br>Every so often Safari freezes up the whole system for up to half a minute</p><p>Check this syslog:</p><p>Oct 12 16:57:51 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:22.553759, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NO<br>Oct 12 17:10:35 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:6.630163, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NO<br>Oct 12 17:16:29 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: Periodic CFURLCache Insert stats (iters: 369) - Tx time:0.003914, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NO, Size of cache-file: 167206912, Num of Failures: 2<br>Oct 12 17:40:45 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:16.382989, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NO</p><p>People have been complaining about that for more than a month now. Hey I just supported your asses by getting<br>a $2800 Macbook Pro and I \_paid\_ for the 10.6 upgrade for my old MBP, what do I need to do to get this fixed,<br>do I have to buy a time machine or get a MobileMe subscription (WTF should I pay to sync to my ipod touch? Oh did<br>I mention I got a 16Gb ipod touch a while ago too!)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. and come to think of it I have gotten applecare protection plans for everything<br>I bought from you guys, that's a whooping $350 bucks for a macbook, and it's also those little things that count<br>like you making me shell out an extra $29 for a display adaptor because you chose to go with some weird-ass standard<br>nobody has heard of before...</p><p>You OWE me to fix this bug, buddy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever since I got MacOS 10.6 " Slow Leopard " my OSX experience with Safari has SUCKED.Every so often Safari freezes up the whole system for up to half a minuteCheck this syslog : Oct 12 16 : 57 : 51 un2803-09 Safari [ 18145 ] : INSERT-HANG-DETECTED : Tx time : 22.553759 , # of Inserts : 1 , # of bytes written : 5 , Did shrink : NOOct 12 17 : 10 : 35 un2803-09 Safari [ 18145 ] : INSERT-HANG-DETECTED : Tx time : 6.630163 , # of Inserts : 1 , # of bytes written : 5 , Did shrink : NOOct 12 17 : 16 : 29 un2803-09 Safari [ 18145 ] : Periodic CFURLCache Insert stats ( iters : 369 ) - Tx time : 0.003914 , # of Inserts : 1 , # of bytes written : 5 , Did shrink : NO , Size of cache-file : 167206912 , Num of Failures : 2Oct 12 17 : 40 : 45 un2803-09 Safari [ 18145 ] : INSERT-HANG-DETECTED : Tx time : 16.382989 , # of Inserts : 1 , # of bytes written : 5 , Did shrink : NOPeople have been complaining about that for more than a month now .
Hey I just supported your asses by gettinga $ 2800 Macbook Pro and I \ _paid \ _ for the 10.6 upgrade for my old MBP , what do I need to do to get this fixed,do I have to buy a time machine or get a MobileMe subscription ( WTF should I pay to sync to my ipod touch ?
Oh didI mention I got a 16Gb ipod touch a while ago too !
) .. and come to think of it I have gotten applecare protection plans for everythingI bought from you guys , that 's a whooping $ 350 bucks for a macbook , and it 's also those little things that countlike you making me shell out an extra $ 29 for a display adaptor because you chose to go with some weird-ass standardnobody has heard of before...You OWE me to fix this bug , buddy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever since I got MacOS 10.6 "Slow Leopard" my OSX experience with Safari has SUCKED.Every so often Safari freezes up the whole system for up to half a minuteCheck this syslog:Oct 12 16:57:51 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:22.553759, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NOOct 12 17:10:35 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:6.630163, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NOOct 12 17:16:29 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: Periodic CFURLCache Insert stats (iters: 369) - Tx time:0.003914, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NO, Size of cache-file: 167206912, Num of Failures: 2Oct 12 17:40:45 un2803-09 Safari[18145]: INSERT-HANG-DETECTED: Tx time:16.382989, # of Inserts: 1, # of bytes written: 5, Did shrink: NOPeople have been complaining about that for more than a month now.
Hey I just supported your asses by gettinga $2800 Macbook Pro and I \_paid\_ for the 10.6 upgrade for my old MBP, what do I need to do to get this fixed,do I have to buy a time machine or get a MobileMe subscription (WTF should I pay to sync to my ipod touch?
Oh didI mention I got a 16Gb ipod touch a while ago too!
) .. and come to think of it I have gotten applecare protection plans for everythingI bought from you guys, that's a whooping $350 bucks for a macbook, and it's also those little things that countlike you making me shell out an extra $29 for a display adaptor because you chose to go with some weird-ass standardnobody has heard of before...You OWE me to fix this bug, buddy.</sentencetext>
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