<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_12_1928215</id>
	<title>Is Working For the Gambling Industry a Black Mark?</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255342740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>'I'm a recent university graduate and I have been offered a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry. At first I was very excited about the opportunity, however, a few of my friends have told me that working for the gambling industry will put a permanent black mark on my career as a software developer. I don't know that many people in the industry with experience in hiring. Google has not helped, and everybody else I ask doesn't know. So I'm asking Slashdot. In your experience is this true? When you hire developers, is the fact that they worked for a gambling company a big turn off? Also, I'm currently in the UK, but would like the freedom of working in US or somewhere else later on in life. So experience from anywhere in the world is welcome.'</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes 'I 'm a recent university graduate and I have been offered a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry .
At first I was very excited about the opportunity , however , a few of my friends have told me that working for the gambling industry will put a permanent black mark on my career as a software developer .
I do n't know that many people in the industry with experience in hiring .
Google has not helped , and everybody else I ask does n't know .
So I 'm asking Slashdot .
In your experience is this true ?
When you hire developers , is the fact that they worked for a gambling company a big turn off ?
Also , I 'm currently in the UK , but would like the freedom of working in US or somewhere else later on in life .
So experience from anywhere in the world is welcome .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes 'I'm a recent university graduate and I have been offered a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry.
At first I was very excited about the opportunity, however, a few of my friends have told me that working for the gambling industry will put a permanent black mark on my career as a software developer.
I don't know that many people in the industry with experience in hiring.
Google has not helped, and everybody else I ask doesn't know.
So I'm asking Slashdot.
In your experience is this true?
When you hire developers, is the fact that they worked for a gambling company a big turn off?
Also, I'm currently in the UK, but would like the freedom of working in US or somewhere else later on in life.
So experience from anywhere in the world is welcome.
'</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728709</id>
	<title>US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255371000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in the US, nobody cares.  I would find it difficult to believe it could produce any kind of a black mark.  The only thing that matters is your experience.  Just do what you want to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in the US , nobody cares .
I would find it difficult to believe it could produce any kind of a black mark .
The only thing that matters is your experience .
Just do what you want to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in the US, nobody cares.
I would find it difficult to believe it could produce any kind of a black mark.
The only thing that matters is your experience.
Just do what you want to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726883</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they offered Internet gambling in the US, where it is illegal?  And then at least one of them has the poor sense to enter the country whos laws he is currently violating?  Stupid, stupid, stupid.</p><p>If I set up an Internet-based gun store to sell guns (which is not only legal but protected by the Constitution of the United States) and began selling handguns (or rifles/shotguns to the non-upper class) in the UK, you better believe that the UK authorities would attempt to have me extradited.  Hell, UK courts currently have no problem levying completely absurd fines for libel cases (which have made the UK judiciary the laughing stock of the entire world) for cases in which neither the plaintiff nor the defendant are residents or subjects of the UK.  You've made things so bad that several States have passed laws guaranteeing immunity to UK libel suits for its citizens.  Perhaps the UK could pursue such a solution in this case?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they offered Internet gambling in the US , where it is illegal ?
And then at least one of them has the poor sense to enter the country whos laws he is currently violating ?
Stupid , stupid , stupid.If I set up an Internet-based gun store to sell guns ( which is not only legal but protected by the Constitution of the United States ) and began selling handguns ( or rifles/shotguns to the non-upper class ) in the UK , you better believe that the UK authorities would attempt to have me extradited .
Hell , UK courts currently have no problem levying completely absurd fines for libel cases ( which have made the UK judiciary the laughing stock of the entire world ) for cases in which neither the plaintiff nor the defendant are residents or subjects of the UK .
You 've made things so bad that several States have passed laws guaranteeing immunity to UK libel suits for its citizens .
Perhaps the UK could pursue such a solution in this case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they offered Internet gambling in the US, where it is illegal?
And then at least one of them has the poor sense to enter the country whos laws he is currently violating?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.If I set up an Internet-based gun store to sell guns (which is not only legal but protected by the Constitution of the United States) and began selling handguns (or rifles/shotguns to the non-upper class) in the UK, you better believe that the UK authorities would attempt to have me extradited.
Hell, UK courts currently have no problem levying completely absurd fines for libel cases (which have made the UK judiciary the laughing stock of the entire world) for cases in which neither the plaintiff nor the defendant are residents or subjects of the UK.
You've made things so bad that several States have passed laws guaranteeing immunity to UK libel suits for its citizens.
Perhaps the UK could pursue such a solution in this case?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729393</id>
	<title>The biggest IT employer in Durban...</title>
	<author>LordAndrewSama</author>
	<datestamp>1255424400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... Is this company that makes online gambling software for use around the globe.  Everyone from college wanted to get a programming job from them(straight out of college, haha noone did.  I got a job quickly by sending my CV around to other companies while everyone was pining for their dream job).  It was considered the best place to work in durban for IT.  Anyways, I did have a friend who worked there, and he said it was great for his CV when he moved to JHB, and a nice environment, good pay, etc etc.</p><p>I guess you either get in with a company that wants to take money unscrupulously, or a company that makes gambling games for people to enjoy, and profits like that.  If you go for it, I hope it's the latter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Is this company that makes online gambling software for use around the globe .
Everyone from college wanted to get a programming job from them ( straight out of college , haha noone did .
I got a job quickly by sending my CV around to other companies while everyone was pining for their dream job ) .
It was considered the best place to work in durban for IT .
Anyways , I did have a friend who worked there , and he said it was great for his CV when he moved to JHB , and a nice environment , good pay , etc etc.I guess you either get in with a company that wants to take money unscrupulously , or a company that makes gambling games for people to enjoy , and profits like that .
If you go for it , I hope it 's the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Is this company that makes online gambling software for use around the globe.
Everyone from college wanted to get a programming job from them(straight out of college, haha noone did.
I got a job quickly by sending my CV around to other companies while everyone was pining for their dream job).
It was considered the best place to work in durban for IT.
Anyways, I did have a friend who worked there, and he said it was great for his CV when he moved to JHB, and a nice environment, good pay, etc etc.I guess you either get in with a company that wants to take money unscrupulously, or a company that makes gambling games for people to enjoy, and profits like that.
If you go for it, I hope it's the latter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725787</id>
	<title>I'll go with the other hiring managers here.</title>
	<author>wonderboss</author>
	<datestamp>1255348800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't care much about what business previous
employers are in, unless it is very similar to
mine.  I care if your knowledge and experience
are relevant to my business.

I would also like the idea of your previous
employer being very serious about reliability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care much about what business previous employers are in , unless it is very similar to mine .
I care if your knowledge and experience are relevant to my business .
I would also like the idea of your previous employer being very serious about reliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care much about what business previous
employers are in, unless it is very similar to
mine.
I care if your knowledge and experience
are relevant to my business.
I would also like the idea of your previous
employer being very serious about reliability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729583</id>
	<title>Playboy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255427580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, which modern western person thinks that Playboy is objectionable?</p><p>It has been legitimized for ages, and can be argued it is a cultural icon.</p><p>Hard Core porn would be a different matter, and still, most  people in civilized places (Europe, Japan) would not bat an eyelid, perhaps would find it an amusing career choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , which modern western person thinks that Playboy is objectionable ? It has been legitimized for ages , and can be argued it is a cultural icon.Hard Core porn would be a different matter , and still , most people in civilized places ( Europe , Japan ) would not bat an eyelid , perhaps would find it an amusing career choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, which modern western person thinks that Playboy is objectionable?It has been legitimized for ages, and can be argued it is a cultural icon.Hard Core porn would be a different matter, and still, most  people in civilized places (Europe, Japan) would not bat an eyelid, perhaps would find it an amusing career choice.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729869</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255432200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Interesting'?</p><p>There's no 'Fantasist' option is there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Interesting ' ? There 's no 'Fantasist ' option is there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Interesting'?There's no 'Fantasist' option is there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728591</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1255369620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City. Every Native American Indian tribe in the country has the right to open casinos and judging from the states I've been in recently, it's happening everywhere. Every one of them is loaded with slots and table games. And none of them are run by anyone named Guido.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just Vegas , Reno and Atlantic City .
Every Native American Indian tribe in the country has the right to open casinos and judging from the states I 've been in recently , it 's happening everywhere .
Every one of them is loaded with slots and table games .
And none of them are run by anyone named Guido .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City.
Every Native American Indian tribe in the country has the right to open casinos and judging from the states I've been in recently, it's happening everywhere.
Every one of them is loaded with slots and table games.
And none of them are run by anyone named Guido.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725427</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725491</id>
	<title>It's all in how you present it!</title>
	<author>wdhowellsr</author>
	<datestamp>1255347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've learned over the years that you may have to take jobs that aren't the most socially redeeming as you would hope.  The trick is to make sure your resume is written so as to downplay the company versus the actual coding.  As an example you could say that you had work on statistical analysis of number sequences.<br> <br>
That being said I was offered a job that was described as high volume video streaming over the web.  When I showed up it was a porn video streaming company with multiple cubicles each with it's own actor performing for the camera.  Needless to say I decided to turn them down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've learned over the years that you may have to take jobs that are n't the most socially redeeming as you would hope .
The trick is to make sure your resume is written so as to downplay the company versus the actual coding .
As an example you could say that you had work on statistical analysis of number sequences .
That being said I was offered a job that was described as high volume video streaming over the web .
When I showed up it was a porn video streaming company with multiple cubicles each with it 's own actor performing for the camera .
Needless to say I decided to turn them down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've learned over the years that you may have to take jobs that aren't the most socially redeeming as you would hope.
The trick is to make sure your resume is written so as to downplay the company versus the actual coding.
As an example you could say that you had work on statistical analysis of number sequences.
That being said I was offered a job that was described as high volume video streaming over the web.
When I showed up it was a porn video streaming company with multiple cubicles each with it's own actor performing for the camera.
Needless to say I decided to turn them down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728521</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255368600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're a fucking idiot. Does the term "mark" mean anything to you? Shit, you might as well tell your young blonde daughter with big tits and a heavy lisp that she will make it as an actress in hollywood - if not just for the experience.</p><p>Goddamn, what is it about paid serial killers that turns people on? Let me assure you, they ain't cool, they ain't romantic, they don't follow rules, most of them can't run a business for shit, and if they think you got something they want they will put a knife to your throat and tell you to put a trojan on the system or die. You get to go to prison when it's all said and done, they walk with the money or you get to hide for the rest of your life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a fucking idiot .
Does the term " mark " mean anything to you ?
Shit , you might as well tell your young blonde daughter with big tits and a heavy lisp that she will make it as an actress in hollywood - if not just for the experience.Goddamn , what is it about paid serial killers that turns people on ?
Let me assure you , they ai n't cool , they ai n't romantic , they do n't follow rules , most of them ca n't run a business for shit , and if they think you got something they want they will put a knife to your throat and tell you to put a trojan on the system or die .
You get to go to prison when it 's all said and done , they walk with the money or you get to hide for the rest of your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a fucking idiot.
Does the term "mark" mean anything to you?
Shit, you might as well tell your young blonde daughter with big tits and a heavy lisp that she will make it as an actress in hollywood - if not just for the experience.Goddamn, what is it about paid serial killers that turns people on?
Let me assure you, they ain't cool, they ain't romantic, they don't follow rules, most of them can't run a business for shit, and if they think you got something they want they will put a knife to your throat and tell you to put a trojan on the system or die.
You get to go to prison when it's all said and done, they walk with the money or you get to hide for the rest of your life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725357</id>
	<title>Never heard of it</title>
	<author>mrsam</author>
	<datestamp>1255346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Sounds like an old wife's tale. Never heard of anything like this.
</p><p>
I just remembered that over ten years ago I worked for a company that supplied software for state lotteries. That was many jobs ago, and I don't recall that ever becoming any kind of an issue. And, on my resumes I described that job just like all others on my resume. And, as far as my "career" as a software developer, I am making a few orders of magnitude now, then back then. No complaints about my career -- and in the financial industry to boot, where any sniff of something bad in one's background gets you permanently blackballed.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like an old wife 's tale .
Never heard of anything like this .
I just remembered that over ten years ago I worked for a company that supplied software for state lotteries .
That was many jobs ago , and I do n't recall that ever becoming any kind of an issue .
And , on my resumes I described that job just like all others on my resume .
And , as far as my " career " as a software developer , I am making a few orders of magnitude now , then back then .
No complaints about my career -- and in the financial industry to boot , where any sniff of something bad in one 's background gets you permanently blackballed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Sounds like an old wife's tale.
Never heard of anything like this.
I just remembered that over ten years ago I worked for a company that supplied software for state lotteries.
That was many jobs ago, and I don't recall that ever becoming any kind of an issue.
And, on my resumes I described that job just like all others on my resume.
And, as far as my "career" as a software developer, I am making a few orders of magnitude now, then back then.
No complaints about my career -- and in the financial industry to boot, where any sniff of something bad in one's background gets you permanently blackballed.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726699</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't mind if Guido Van Rossum writes a reference for me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't mind if Guido Van Rossum writes a reference for me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't mind if Guido Van Rossum writes a reference for me...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725367</id>
	<title>Suppose you could go work for a porn site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/26/1758210" title="slashdot.org">http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/26/1758210</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //ask.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 01/11/26/1758210 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/26/1758210 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725955</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>yurtinus</author>
	<datestamp>1255349640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US, but it isn't the worst place you could end up living.</p></div><p>Maybe not the worst, but it's pretty damn close...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US , but it is n't the worst place you could end up living.Maybe not the worst , but it 's pretty damn close.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US, but it isn't the worst place you could end up living.Maybe not the worst, but it's pretty damn close...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725427</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731061</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255444620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A mistake probably means you're not working again<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. ever<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. at least not with your fingers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A mistake probably means you 're not working again .. ever .. at least not with your fingers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A mistake probably means you're not working again .. ever .. at least not with your fingers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725717</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725539</id>
	<title>I rather doubt it</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1255347360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether it is porn or gambling or some other vice, there will be foes of course, but it shouldn't be difficult to deflect any negative questioning with remarks to the effect of the reason you exited the industry being conscience related.</p><p>I once worked for a free news publication with a great deal of "adult services" advertising and was asked about that.  I simply said that it was a bit of a surprise, a shock and was distasteful at times, but eventually I found other work and exited the business.  That seemed to answer the question sufficiently, but who knows for sure... the point is that I was indeed asked about my connection with a morally questionable business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether it is porn or gambling or some other vice , there will be foes of course , but it should n't be difficult to deflect any negative questioning with remarks to the effect of the reason you exited the industry being conscience related.I once worked for a free news publication with a great deal of " adult services " advertising and was asked about that .
I simply said that it was a bit of a surprise , a shock and was distasteful at times , but eventually I found other work and exited the business .
That seemed to answer the question sufficiently , but who knows for sure... the point is that I was indeed asked about my connection with a morally questionable business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether it is porn or gambling or some other vice, there will be foes of course, but it shouldn't be difficult to deflect any negative questioning with remarks to the effect of the reason you exited the industry being conscience related.I once worked for a free news publication with a great deal of "adult services" advertising and was asked about that.
I simply said that it was a bit of a surprise, a shock and was distasteful at times, but eventually I found other work and exited the business.
That seemed to answer the question sufficiently, but who knows for sure... the point is that I was indeed asked about my connection with a morally questionable business.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725435</id>
	<title>It sounds like hyperbole or jealousy</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1255346880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>[quote]a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry[/quote]


Seems to me that the worst thing that could happen is you work for a company called "We hire unreliable louts" or maybe "Bad gambles, Inc".  As you probably can predetermine this, you shouldn't worry about anything that your instincts don't already clue you in on.  Your friends are probably just narrow minded or jealous.  Just make sure that your official job title doesn't hint at bookmaking, card dealing, or something called 'fluffing' and you will be OK.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry [ /quote ] Seems to me that the worst thing that could happen is you work for a company called " We hire unreliable louts " or maybe " Bad gambles , Inc " .
As you probably can predetermine this , you should n't worry about anything that your instincts do n't already clue you in on .
Your friends are probably just narrow minded or jealous .
Just make sure that your official job title does n't hint at bookmaking , card dealing , or something called 'fluffing ' and you will be OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]a software developer position in a company that supplies software to the gambling and betting industry[/quote]


Seems to me that the worst thing that could happen is you work for a company called "We hire unreliable louts" or maybe "Bad gambles, Inc".
As you probably can predetermine this, you shouldn't worry about anything that your instincts don't already clue you in on.
Your friends are probably just narrow minded or jealous.
Just make sure that your official job title doesn't hint at bookmaking, card dealing, or something called 'fluffing' and you will be OK.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725637</id>
	<title>The Value Proposition</title>
	<author>Dr\_Harm</author>
	<datestamp>1255347900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We seem to get a lot of these sorts of questions at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. -- and as someone who interviews and makes hiring decisions, let me tell you about the number one factor for making the call:</p><p> <b>The Value Proposition</b></p><p>At the end of the day, what I'm doing is entering into an agreement where I give you money (and things that cost money, ie. benefits), and you give me your labor.  Your skills and experience and a few other factors (ie. culture fit) alter your "productivity", or how much "labor" I get for my money.  In other words, I am spending my money on you, and I want to make sure I get good "value" for that money.</p><p>As such, I really don't particularly care who you worked for in the past, unless it can be used as some predictor of future performance.  I do care about the skills and experience you have picked up along the way, your personality, your thought-process, etc.</p><p>Occasionally, very occasionally, the "where you used to work" question does become relevant.  If your last job was for a blood-relative, that is going to be a yellow-flag that needs further investigation and verification.  That's probably the most common scenario where it comes into play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We seem to get a lot of these sorts of questions at / .
-- and as someone who interviews and makes hiring decisions , let me tell you about the number one factor for making the call : The Value PropositionAt the end of the day , what I 'm doing is entering into an agreement where I give you money ( and things that cost money , ie .
benefits ) , and you give me your labor .
Your skills and experience and a few other factors ( ie .
culture fit ) alter your " productivity " , or how much " labor " I get for my money .
In other words , I am spending my money on you , and I want to make sure I get good " value " for that money.As such , I really do n't particularly care who you worked for in the past , unless it can be used as some predictor of future performance .
I do care about the skills and experience you have picked up along the way , your personality , your thought-process , etc.Occasionally , very occasionally , the " where you used to work " question does become relevant .
If your last job was for a blood-relative , that is going to be a yellow-flag that needs further investigation and verification .
That 's probably the most common scenario where it comes into play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We seem to get a lot of these sorts of questions at /.
-- and as someone who interviews and makes hiring decisions, let me tell you about the number one factor for making the call: The Value PropositionAt the end of the day, what I'm doing is entering into an agreement where I give you money (and things that cost money, ie.
benefits), and you give me your labor.
Your skills and experience and a few other factors (ie.
culture fit) alter your "productivity", or how much "labor" I get for my money.
In other words, I am spending my money on you, and I want to make sure I get good "value" for that money.As such, I really don't particularly care who you worked for in the past, unless it can be used as some predictor of future performance.
I do care about the skills and experience you have picked up along the way, your personality, your thought-process, etc.Occasionally, very occasionally, the "where you used to work" question does become relevant.
If your last job was for a blood-relative, that is going to be a yellow-flag that needs further investigation and verification.
That's probably the most common scenario where it comes into play.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726043</id>
	<title>Not in the UK..</title>
	<author>chrb</author>
	<datestamp>1255350000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of the British companies doing online gambling have British offices and employees but are actually incorporated in Costa Rica, Panama, Gibraltar, and various other countries with advantageous tax regimes and very little or no regulation. e.g. BetOnSports - Antigua / Costa Rica corporations with UK based holding company, Pokerstars - Costa Rica / Isle of Man; the Isle of Man company appeared after IoM enacted a streamlined deregulation of online gambling which explicitly states it's legal to offer such services to the US at about the same time they introduced 0\% corporation tax, quite a fewer <a href="http://www.gov.im/gambling/licensees/" title="www.gov.im">companies are now based there</a> [www.gov.im], also here's a list for <a href="http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov\_depts/internet\_gaming/internet\_gaming.htm" title="gibraltar.gov.gi">Gibraltar</a> [gibraltar.gov.gi], some big names there include Ladbrokes which is one of the UK's largest gambling operations, and PartyGaming which is one of the largest online poker providers in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of the British companies doing online gambling have British offices and employees but are actually incorporated in Costa Rica , Panama , Gibraltar , and various other countries with advantageous tax regimes and very little or no regulation .
e.g. BetOnSports - Antigua / Costa Rica corporations with UK based holding company , Pokerstars - Costa Rica / Isle of Man ; the Isle of Man company appeared after IoM enacted a streamlined deregulation of online gambling which explicitly states it 's legal to offer such services to the US at about the same time they introduced 0 \ % corporation tax , quite a fewer companies are now based there [ www.gov.im ] , also here 's a list for Gibraltar [ gibraltar.gov.gi ] , some big names there include Ladbrokes which is one of the UK 's largest gambling operations , and PartyGaming which is one of the largest online poker providers in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of the British companies doing online gambling have British offices and employees but are actually incorporated in Costa Rica, Panama, Gibraltar, and various other countries with advantageous tax regimes and very little or no regulation.
e.g. BetOnSports - Antigua / Costa Rica corporations with UK based holding company, Pokerstars - Costa Rica / Isle of Man; the Isle of Man company appeared after IoM enacted a streamlined deregulation of online gambling which explicitly states it's legal to offer such services to the US at about the same time they introduced 0\% corporation tax, quite a fewer companies are now based there [www.gov.im], also here's a list for Gibraltar [gibraltar.gov.gi], some big names there include Ladbrokes which is one of the UK's largest gambling operations, and PartyGaming which is one of the largest online poker providers in the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727409</id>
	<title>if u r not mafia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255358940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>u can't get into the job<br>so just send it<br>and wait for the reject</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>u ca n't get into the jobso just send itand wait for the reject</tokentext>
<sentencetext>u can't get into the jobso just send itand wait for the reject</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729001</id>
	<title>Re:porn?</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1255375800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>If I want to play cards, I can do it everywhere, with my friends for example. No need to throw away large sums of money in the process.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I want to play cards , I can do it everywhere , with my friends for example .
No need to throw away large sums of money in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I want to play cards, I can do it everywhere, with my friends for example.
No need to throw away large sums of money in the process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727305</id>
	<title>more pussy</title>
	<author>jkajala</author>
	<datestamp>1255358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which one sounds better: "I work for insurance company." or... "I work in gambling business.", so go for it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which one sounds better : " I work for insurance company .
" or... " I work in gambling business .
" , so go for it .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which one sounds better: "I work for insurance company.
" or... "I work in gambling business.
", so go for it.
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732933</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1255453620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Totally!  While we're at it, let's beef that up with a few other ethnic and racial stereotypes!<br> <br>

"As long as none of your references are named Dmitri, you should be fine" (eh? eh?  RUSSIANS) <br>
"As long as none of your references are named Deshawn, you should be fine" (black people are scary)<br>
"As long as none of your references have Hussein for a middle name, you should be fine" (goes without saying) <br> <br>

I'm sure you can probably think of some others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally !
While we 're at it , let 's beef that up with a few other ethnic and racial stereotypes !
" As long as none of your references are named Dmitri , you should be fine " ( eh ?
eh ? RUSSIANS ) " As long as none of your references are named Deshawn , you should be fine " ( black people are scary ) " As long as none of your references have Hussein for a middle name , you should be fine " ( goes without saying ) I 'm sure you can probably think of some others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally!
While we're at it, let's beef that up with a few other ethnic and racial stereotypes!
"As long as none of your references are named Dmitri, you should be fine" (eh?
eh?  RUSSIANS) 
"As long as none of your references are named Deshawn, you should be fine" (black people are scary)
"As long as none of your references have Hussein for a middle name, you should be fine" (goes without saying)  

I'm sure you can probably think of some others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725739</id>
	<title>Who cares about a black mark?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255348620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You never have to work again... write in a special "hit the jackpot" sequence, visit all your customers' casinos over a weekend, and skip the country. Oh, and your friends are idiots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You never have to work again... write in a special " hit the jackpot " sequence , visit all your customers ' casinos over a weekend , and skip the country .
Oh , and your friends are idiots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You never have to work again... write in a special "hit the jackpot" sequence, visit all your customers' casinos over a weekend, and skip the country.
Oh, and your friends are idiots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729957</id>
	<title>Re:great experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255433520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your post was marked "funny" but what you say is true. I work in Financial IT for a major international bank and in these parts, experience in the gambling industry is definitely seen as a plus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post was marked " funny " but what you say is true .
I work in Financial IT for a major international bank and in these parts , experience in the gambling industry is definitely seen as a plus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post was marked "funny" but what you say is true.
I work in Financial IT for a major international bank and in these parts, experience in the gambling industry is definitely seen as a plus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726067</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255350240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Highly regulated means, that there are tons of people trying to work around the regulations. Which are usually people who are already doing that everywhere else. Like fixing bets at sports events etc. Never EVER work in that industry. It's basically an arm of the different mafias. And soon you'll find yourself doing other stuff that your moral forbids to do. It's like a slippery slope right into crime life.</p><p>I know, because unfortunately, a friend of mine fell it it. And I nearly too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Highly regulated means , that there are tons of people trying to work around the regulations .
Which are usually people who are already doing that everywhere else .
Like fixing bets at sports events etc .
Never EVER work in that industry .
It 's basically an arm of the different mafias .
And soon you 'll find yourself doing other stuff that your moral forbids to do .
It 's like a slippery slope right into crime life.I know , because unfortunately , a friend of mine fell it it .
And I nearly too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Highly regulated means, that there are tons of people trying to work around the regulations.
Which are usually people who are already doing that everywhere else.
Like fixing bets at sports events etc.
Never EVER work in that industry.
It's basically an arm of the different mafias.
And soon you'll find yourself doing other stuff that your moral forbids to do.
It's like a slippery slope right into crime life.I know, because unfortunately, a friend of mine fell it it.
And I nearly too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725459</id>
	<title>Mark on what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps this is a quaint notion, but:  I'd be more concerned with the black mark on my <i>soul.</i></p><p>That word should mean something to you, regardless of whether you're a materialist physicalist skeptical rationalist naturalistic realistic reductionist scientific atheist or otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps this is a quaint notion , but : I 'd be more concerned with the black mark on my soul.That word should mean something to you , regardless of whether you 're a materialist physicalist skeptical rationalist naturalistic realistic reductionist scientific atheist or otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps this is a quaint notion, but:  I'd be more concerned with the black mark on my soul.That word should mean something to you, regardless of whether you're a materialist physicalist skeptical rationalist naturalistic realistic reductionist scientific atheist or otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728693</id>
	<title>No, it's not a black mark.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255370880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked as a contractor to a company that was involved in gaming and wagering and in no way did it affect what I did after that. Quite the opposite. It was an eye opening experience into how government regulation meets IT.</p><p>Consider, for a moment, problems such as auditing and being able to prove that you're complying with the various regulations. Never mind developing an application to support the thing with shining buttons, there's a whole host of other issues too. It's also 24x7x365 and costs money whenever there is down time.</p><p>The worst problem I have with carrying such experience is with the attitude to testing in that industry vs elsewhere. I've seen rooms of machines wired up in an automatic mode, so that long term behaviour is well understood and within the required regulations.</p><p>And as someone else said, once you've worked "behind the scenes" in this industry, you'll never play again because you'll have a good understanding that it's not really your "luck" from a "random" event resulting in a win, but rather being the lucky one to be in the right place at the right time when the controlling computer decides it is time for a jackpot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked as a contractor to a company that was involved in gaming and wagering and in no way did it affect what I did after that .
Quite the opposite .
It was an eye opening experience into how government regulation meets IT.Consider , for a moment , problems such as auditing and being able to prove that you 're complying with the various regulations .
Never mind developing an application to support the thing with shining buttons , there 's a whole host of other issues too .
It 's also 24x7x365 and costs money whenever there is down time.The worst problem I have with carrying such experience is with the attitude to testing in that industry vs elsewhere .
I 've seen rooms of machines wired up in an automatic mode , so that long term behaviour is well understood and within the required regulations.And as someone else said , once you 've worked " behind the scenes " in this industry , you 'll never play again because you 'll have a good understanding that it 's not really your " luck " from a " random " event resulting in a win , but rather being the lucky one to be in the right place at the right time when the controlling computer decides it is time for a jackpot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked as a contractor to a company that was involved in gaming and wagering and in no way did it affect what I did after that.
Quite the opposite.
It was an eye opening experience into how government regulation meets IT.Consider, for a moment, problems such as auditing and being able to prove that you're complying with the various regulations.
Never mind developing an application to support the thing with shining buttons, there's a whole host of other issues too.
It's also 24x7x365 and costs money whenever there is down time.The worst problem I have with carrying such experience is with the attitude to testing in that industry vs elsewhere.
I've seen rooms of machines wired up in an automatic mode, so that long term behaviour is well understood and within the required regulations.And as someone else said, once you've worked "behind the scenes" in this industry, you'll never play again because you'll have a good understanding that it's not really your "luck" from a "random" event resulting in a win, but rather being the lucky one to be in the right place at the right time when the controlling computer decides it is time for a jackpot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725647</id>
	<title>Maybe...</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1255347960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is your next employer(s) a highly religious zealot?  If so, yes, be concerned.  And not just because they might frown down on your heathenish past!
<br> <br>
Otherwise, why would you ever think it to be bad?  They have high security and confidentiality concerns, what employer would see your experience and involvement with a high-security job as a bad thing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is your next employer ( s ) a highly religious zealot ?
If so , yes , be concerned .
And not just because they might frown down on your heathenish past !
Otherwise , why would you ever think it to be bad ?
They have high security and confidentiality concerns , what employer would see your experience and involvement with a high-security job as a bad thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is your next employer(s) a highly religious zealot?
If so, yes, be concerned.
And not just because they might frown down on your heathenish past!
Otherwise, why would you ever think it to be bad?
They have high security and confidentiality concerns, what employer would see your experience and involvement with a high-security job as a bad thing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727383</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255358760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perfect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729533</id>
	<title>It depends...</title>
	<author>gadders</author>
	<datestamp>1255426680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somewhere like betfair, I would view positively. They're effectively a stock-exchange for sports.</p><p>Some of these flash-based games that encourage poor people to gamble their benefits? I'd personally find it hard to work for them, but wouldn't use it as a black mark in hiring decisions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere like betfair , I would view positively .
They 're effectively a stock-exchange for sports.Some of these flash-based games that encourage poor people to gamble their benefits ?
I 'd personally find it hard to work for them , but would n't use it as a black mark in hiring decisions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere like betfair, I would view positively.
They're effectively a stock-exchange for sports.Some of these flash-based games that encourage poor people to gamble their benefits?
I'd personally find it hard to work for them, but wouldn't use it as a black mark in hiring decisions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726845</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In the gambling industry you're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen. You'll see things and talk with people who've been in low places.</i></p><p>Don't you mean the Finance industry?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the gambling industry you 're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen .
You 'll see things and talk with people who 've been in low places.Do n't you mean the Finance industry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the gambling industry you're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen.
You'll see things and talk with people who've been in low places.Don't you mean the Finance industry?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725469</id>
	<title>Get some new friends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've interviewed many applicants for software engineering positions, and several have had previous positions developing software for gaming machines.  I actually see this as a good thing, because those developers are often more suitable as they have better coding habits and are more aware of solid, robust programming practices due to the stringent requirements placed on gaming machines.</p><p>Get some new friends.  Those friends obviously don't want you to get a job that may elevate you above them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've interviewed many applicants for software engineering positions , and several have had previous positions developing software for gaming machines .
I actually see this as a good thing , because those developers are often more suitable as they have better coding habits and are more aware of solid , robust programming practices due to the stringent requirements placed on gaming machines.Get some new friends .
Those friends obviously do n't want you to get a job that may elevate you above them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've interviewed many applicants for software engineering positions, and several have had previous positions developing software for gaming machines.
I actually see this as a good thing, because those developers are often more suitable as they have better coding habits and are more aware of solid, robust programming practices due to the stringent requirements placed on gaming machines.Get some new friends.
Those friends obviously don't want you to get a job that may elevate you above them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726261</id>
	<title>Are your friends Mormon?</title>
	<author>Rexburg</author>
	<datestamp>1255351200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you should avoid volunteering for Gammy's Bingo night, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you should avoid volunteering for Gammy 's Bingo night , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you should avoid volunteering for Gammy's Bingo night, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731979</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255449240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably even an advantage down there as in the major urban areas most of those states really aren't stereotypical "southern" any longer, especially Texas &amp; Florida...</p><p>While I personally have little interest in gambling, I wouldn't hesitate to work for them, after all a job is a job and if the pay and benefits are above average so much the better, but as the  the above poster stated you might into trouble with some christian fanatics.  I also happen to agree with the above poster in that I would consider that to be a badge of honor and wouldn't take a job with such people even if offered as religious fanaticism of all sorts irks me more than just about anything else in life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably even an advantage down there as in the major urban areas most of those states really are n't stereotypical " southern " any longer , especially Texas &amp; Florida...While I personally have little interest in gambling , I would n't hesitate to work for them , after all a job is a job and if the pay and benefits are above average so much the better , but as the the above poster stated you might into trouble with some christian fanatics .
I also happen to agree with the above poster in that I would consider that to be a badge of honor and would n't take a job with such people even if offered as religious fanaticism of all sorts irks me more than just about anything else in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably even an advantage down there as in the major urban areas most of those states really aren't stereotypical "southern" any longer, especially Texas &amp; Florida...While I personally have little interest in gambling, I wouldn't hesitate to work for them, after all a job is a job and if the pay and benefits are above average so much the better, but as the  the above poster stated you might into trouble with some christian fanatics.
I also happen to agree with the above poster in that I would consider that to be a badge of honor and wouldn't take a job with such people even if offered as religious fanaticism of all sorts irks me more than just about anything else in life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726137</id>
	<title>Only offends a tiny group.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255350720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A Group you probably don't want to work for anyhow; The holier than thou's.

However, working for ASIG, Citigroup. or Enron, now there's a black mark a LARGE group of us turn our noses up at.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Group you probably do n't want to work for anyhow ; The holier than thou 's .
However , working for ASIG , Citigroup .
or Enron , now there 's a black mark a LARGE group of us turn our noses up at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Group you probably don't want to work for anyhow; The holier than thou's.
However, working for ASIG, Citigroup.
or Enron, now there's a black mark a LARGE group of us turn our noses up at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725721</id>
	<title>Re:Yes -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255348500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people."</p><p>So is marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid , statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people .
" So is marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people.
"So is marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730175</id>
	<title>Re:great experience</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1255436580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days, working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities. </i> </p><p>No. Gambling companies know what they are doing, have the math to back up that claim, and they know that they will win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days , working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities .
No. Gambling companies know what they are doing , have the math to back up that claim , and they know that they will win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days, working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities.
No. Gambling companies know what they are doing, have the math to back up that claim, and they know that they will win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730663</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255441680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not in the UK it isn't.. more bodge it and scarper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not in the UK it is n't.. more bodge it and scarper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not in the UK it isn't.. more bodge it and scarper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725489</id>
	<title>Fantasy boss much?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1255347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team.</p></div></blockquote><p>He wouldn't fit on your team anyway.  Unless he's a cuddly toy, a Star Wars figurine or an inflatable woman.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team.He would n't fit on your team anyway .
Unless he 's a cuddly toy , a Star Wars figurine or an inflatable woman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team.He wouldn't fit on your team anyway.
Unless he's a cuddly toy, a Star Wars figurine or an inflatable woman.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725927</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1255349580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like most jobs, in most industries.  Face it, not that many jobs are really all that interesting.  Software development makes a good career for me personally because it's a lot more fun than cleaning toilets or writing TPS reports and pays pretty well.  But it's not that often I get to work on something really interesting to me, though I've definitely put a lot of work into maneuvering my career so I get to work with technologies I prefer and find interesting (i.e. Linux), even if the end application isn't all that interesting.</p><p>If I want to do something genuinely interesting, I do it on my own time at home, where I have the luxury of doing whatever I fancy (within reason and budget).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like most jobs , in most industries .
Face it , not that many jobs are really all that interesting .
Software development makes a good career for me personally because it 's a lot more fun than cleaning toilets or writing TPS reports and pays pretty well .
But it 's not that often I get to work on something really interesting to me , though I 've definitely put a lot of work into maneuvering my career so I get to work with technologies I prefer and find interesting ( i.e .
Linux ) , even if the end application is n't all that interesting.If I want to do something genuinely interesting , I do it on my own time at home , where I have the luxury of doing whatever I fancy ( within reason and budget ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like most jobs, in most industries.
Face it, not that many jobs are really all that interesting.
Software development makes a good career for me personally because it's a lot more fun than cleaning toilets or writing TPS reports and pays pretty well.
But it's not that often I get to work on something really interesting to me, though I've definitely put a lot of work into maneuvering my career so I get to work with technologies I prefer and find interesting (i.e.
Linux), even if the end application isn't all that interesting.If I want to do something genuinely interesting, I do it on my own time at home, where I have the luxury of doing whatever I fancy (within reason and budget).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729203</id>
	<title>It certainly can be.</title>
	<author>LostMyBeaver</author>
	<datestamp>1255464840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many people in HR positions are still actually religious. Many people in policy positions are also religious. There are many religions that look at gambling or contributing to gambling as being a sin.<br><br>While they won't pro-actively think "Hmm... he's been involved in gambling and therefore he's a bastard from the deepest pits of hell", instead it will make at least a subconscious impact on them to see you as an immoral person.<br><br>I would recommend that you avoid the position if possible. I've had friends that have struggled finding work after having been employed by gambling companies that started off legitimate enough, but through changes of management and misappropriation of company resources ended badly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people in HR positions are still actually religious .
Many people in policy positions are also religious .
There are many religions that look at gambling or contributing to gambling as being a sin.While they wo n't pro-actively think " Hmm... he 's been involved in gambling and therefore he 's a bastard from the deepest pits of hell " , instead it will make at least a subconscious impact on them to see you as an immoral person.I would recommend that you avoid the position if possible .
I 've had friends that have struggled finding work after having been employed by gambling companies that started off legitimate enough , but through changes of management and misappropriation of company resources ended badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people in HR positions are still actually religious.
Many people in policy positions are also religious.
There are many religions that look at gambling or contributing to gambling as being a sin.While they won't pro-actively think "Hmm... he's been involved in gambling and therefore he's a bastard from the deepest pits of hell", instead it will make at least a subconscious impact on them to see you as an immoral person.I would recommend that you avoid the position if possible.
I've had friends that have struggled finding work after having been employed by gambling companies that started off legitimate enough, but through changes of management and misappropriation of company resources ended badly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729883</id>
	<title>Depends on where you live</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1255432380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As you're in the UK, I would say that more than likely it is not a negative to work in the gambling industry. However, in some parts of the US, gambling is highly stigmatized and considered a sin. This is especially true in the bible belt (a large chunk of the southeast US) and other more religiously conservative areas of the country. I still remember 20+ years ago in my home state (in the southern US) when they first brought in the state lottery and horse racing, it was not pretty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As you 're in the UK , I would say that more than likely it is not a negative to work in the gambling industry .
However , in some parts of the US , gambling is highly stigmatized and considered a sin .
This is especially true in the bible belt ( a large chunk of the southeast US ) and other more religiously conservative areas of the country .
I still remember 20 + years ago in my home state ( in the southern US ) when they first brought in the state lottery and horse racing , it was not pretty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As you're in the UK, I would say that more than likely it is not a negative to work in the gambling industry.
However, in some parts of the US, gambling is highly stigmatized and considered a sin.
This is especially true in the bible belt (a large chunk of the southeast US) and other more religiously conservative areas of the country.
I still remember 20+ years ago in my home state (in the southern US) when they first brought in the state lottery and horse racing, it was not pretty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726407</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You've just described about 90\% of all jobs.</p></div><p>Or 100\% of all jobs that provide stable income.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've just described about 90 \ % of all jobs.Or 100 \ % of all jobs that provide stable income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've just described about 90\% of all jobs.Or 100\% of all jobs that provide stable income.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729589</id>
	<title>I would say go for it...</title>
	<author>\_Shad0w\_</author>
	<datestamp>1255427640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I was reviewing your application, and you had worked in the gambling industry, my thought process would be along the lines of:

</p><ul>
<li>Has worked in an industry which is heavy regulated.</li><li>Has probably been vetted by the local gambling authority, so most likely reliable.</li><li>The software they worked on has to conform to external standards, most likely requiring that it be as close to zero defect and as error tolerant as you can possibly get.</li></ul><p>
So, all in all, you would be a win.
</p><p>Of course you will also get people who see "but gambling is evil and therefore so are they".  You'll also get the same reaction from other people if they see you've worked in any number of other industries, like pharma or petro-chem.  Right about now there are probably people who consider anything to do with finance to be equal to living in sin with Satan.</p><p>If you spend all your time worrying about how other people will view your previous employers you'll never take any job.  If you're OK with working for them, then go for it.  Personally I'd love to work for VideoBox, because their content delivery network has to be fucking awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was reviewing your application , and you had worked in the gambling industry , my thought process would be along the lines of : Has worked in an industry which is heavy regulated.Has probably been vetted by the local gambling authority , so most likely reliable.The software they worked on has to conform to external standards , most likely requiring that it be as close to zero defect and as error tolerant as you can possibly get .
So , all in all , you would be a win .
Of course you will also get people who see " but gambling is evil and therefore so are they " .
You 'll also get the same reaction from other people if they see you 've worked in any number of other industries , like pharma or petro-chem .
Right about now there are probably people who consider anything to do with finance to be equal to living in sin with Satan.If you spend all your time worrying about how other people will view your previous employers you 'll never take any job .
If you 're OK with working for them , then go for it .
Personally I 'd love to work for VideoBox , because their content delivery network has to be fucking awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was reviewing your application, and you had worked in the gambling industry, my thought process would be along the lines of:


Has worked in an industry which is heavy regulated.Has probably been vetted by the local gambling authority, so most likely reliable.The software they worked on has to conform to external standards, most likely requiring that it be as close to zero defect and as error tolerant as you can possibly get.
So, all in all, you would be a win.
Of course you will also get people who see "but gambling is evil and therefore so are they".
You'll also get the same reaction from other people if they see you've worked in any number of other industries, like pharma or petro-chem.
Right about now there are probably people who consider anything to do with finance to be equal to living in sin with Satan.If you spend all your time worrying about how other people will view your previous employers you'll never take any job.
If you're OK with working for them, then go for it.
Personally I'd love to work for VideoBox, because their content delivery network has to be fucking awesome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727905</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255362780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And he's still right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And he 's still right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And he's still right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728117</id>
	<title>Re:Anything but telemarketing is kind-of ok :-)</title>
	<author>DaMattster</author>
	<datestamp>1255364460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see "telemarketing" in any fashion that doesn't involve stopping them or hunting them down. It's something you try to hide, not something to put on your resume. I want someone with some brains.</p></div><p>
That is an awfully poor assumption to make about someone.  Automatically discounting someone based upon your own personal bias is a great way to overlook someone with talent.  This is something the PHB would do.  I wouldn't be proud of posting something that makes you seem somewhat shallow.  I worked for a telemarketing company and I became an expert, literally overnight with Cisco VoIP telephony and LAN/WAN telecommunications products.  I would argue that my experience was good.  The company I worked for did not behave shadily, I was only laid off after an economic downturn back in 2007.  I would go back in a heartbeat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see " telemarketing " in any fashion that does n't involve stopping them or hunting them down .
It 's something you try to hide , not something to put on your resume .
I want someone with some brains .
That is an awfully poor assumption to make about someone .
Automatically discounting someone based upon your own personal bias is a great way to overlook someone with talent .
This is something the PHB would do .
I would n't be proud of posting something that makes you seem somewhat shallow .
I worked for a telemarketing company and I became an expert , literally overnight with Cisco VoIP telephony and LAN/WAN telecommunications products .
I would argue that my experience was good .
The company I worked for did not behave shadily , I was only laid off after an economic downturn back in 2007 .
I would go back in a heartbeat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see "telemarketing" in any fashion that doesn't involve stopping them or hunting them down.
It's something you try to hide, not something to put on your resume.
I want someone with some brains.
That is an awfully poor assumption to make about someone.
Automatically discounting someone based upon your own personal bias is a great way to overlook someone with talent.
This is something the PHB would do.
I wouldn't be proud of posting something that makes you seem somewhat shallow.
I worked for a telemarketing company and I became an expert, literally overnight with Cisco VoIP telephony and LAN/WAN telecommunications products.
I would argue that my experience was good.
The company I worked for did not behave shadily, I was only laid off after an economic downturn back in 2007.
I would go back in a heartbeat.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726417</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>denalione</author>
	<datestamp>1255352100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in the south in the middle of the Bible Belt and doubt very seriously that it would be a problem.  Granted this is all anecdotal but pretty much any answer on this topic will be:</p><p>1.  Most developer positions are in the bigger cities which are much more cosmopolitan than the rural areas.  Most of the people I've worked for and with were from the west coast, up north or Florida.</p><p>2. While I have met a few fundamentalists in my career its pretty rare.  There ain't a lot of "snake-handlers" doing OO programming.</p><p>3. The Christians I have worked for have been very open about hiring.  They wanted people who could do the job regardless.  The only requirement was that their personal beliefs didn't get in the way of doing the job and cause contention at the office.  I've not seen a problem yet.</p><p>4. Most of the people I know who live in sticks (a lot of my family included) and would be considered "fundies" just because of their association with the Bible Belt would find you interesting and would probably invite you to their weekly poker night.</p><p>5. I think you would have just as much trouble finding a job in the south after working for a gambling concern as you would in the north after working for the Southern Baptist Convention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in the south in the middle of the Bible Belt and doubt very seriously that it would be a problem .
Granted this is all anecdotal but pretty much any answer on this topic will be : 1 .
Most developer positions are in the bigger cities which are much more cosmopolitan than the rural areas .
Most of the people I 've worked for and with were from the west coast , up north or Florida.2 .
While I have met a few fundamentalists in my career its pretty rare .
There ai n't a lot of " snake-handlers " doing OO programming.3 .
The Christians I have worked for have been very open about hiring .
They wanted people who could do the job regardless .
The only requirement was that their personal beliefs did n't get in the way of doing the job and cause contention at the office .
I 've not seen a problem yet.4 .
Most of the people I know who live in sticks ( a lot of my family included ) and would be considered " fundies " just because of their association with the Bible Belt would find you interesting and would probably invite you to their weekly poker night.5 .
I think you would have just as much trouble finding a job in the south after working for a gambling concern as you would in the north after working for the Southern Baptist Convention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in the south in the middle of the Bible Belt and doubt very seriously that it would be a problem.
Granted this is all anecdotal but pretty much any answer on this topic will be:1.
Most developer positions are in the bigger cities which are much more cosmopolitan than the rural areas.
Most of the people I've worked for and with were from the west coast, up north or Florida.2.
While I have met a few fundamentalists in my career its pretty rare.
There ain't a lot of "snake-handlers" doing OO programming.3.
The Christians I have worked for have been very open about hiring.
They wanted people who could do the job regardless.
The only requirement was that their personal beliefs didn't get in the way of doing the job and cause contention at the office.
I've not seen a problem yet.4.
Most of the people I know who live in sticks (a lot of my family included) and would be considered "fundies" just because of their association with the Bible Belt would find you interesting and would probably invite you to their weekly poker night.5.
I think you would have just as much trouble finding a job in the south after working for a gambling concern as you would in the north after working for the Southern Baptist Convention.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725349</id>
	<title>Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>khasim</author>
	<datestamp>1255346580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would it be a black mark?</p><p>If anything, it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.</p><p>As long as none of your references are named Guido, you should be fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would it be a black mark ? If anything , it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.As long as none of your references are named Guido , you should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would it be a black mark?If anything, it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.As long as none of your references are named Guido, you should be fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725505</id>
	<title>not for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked in the gaming industry, and didnt have any problem getting work afterward. My next employer was pleased that I had worked in a highly regulated industry where if our new code caused downtime, we had to explain to a state gaming board about how it happened.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked in the gaming industry , and didnt have any problem getting work afterward .
My next employer was pleased that I had worked in a highly regulated industry where if our new code caused downtime , we had to explain to a state gaming board about how it happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked in the gaming industry, and didnt have any problem getting work afterward.
My next employer was pleased that I had worked in a highly regulated industry where if our new code caused downtime, we had to explain to a state gaming board about how it happened.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728845</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1255372800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's software. How is writing code for banks any less boring? Or for pharmaceutical companies? Or for</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's software .
How is writing code for banks any less boring ?
Or for pharmaceutical companies ?
Or for</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's software.
How is writing code for banks any less boring?
Or for pharmaceutical companies?
Or for</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729155</id>
	<title>I hope you like guido's cooking.....</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1255464120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spaghetti and Fed Balls, followed by a swim at Hoover Dam.  How long can you hold your breath?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spaghetti and Fed Balls , followed by a swim at Hoover Dam .
How long can you hold your breath ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spaghetti and Fed Balls, followed by a swim at Hoover Dam.
How long can you hold your breath?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734267</id>
	<title>Re:Questionable Opportunities</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255459500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not getting a job in Salt Lake is a plus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not getting a job in Salt Lake is a plus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not getting a job in Salt Lake is a plus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725943</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728205</id>
	<title>If it interests you do it</title>
	<author>bcg</author>
	<datestamp>1255365240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am the development coordinator for one of the world's leading wagering software development companies.
<br>
Having a background in industrial automation and other real time software systems, I can tell you that writing software for gaming (especially when it involves racing) is easily of the same order of writing sharemarket trading software. As its essentially what it is - a great big real time bank. Most of the things you would like to do as batch can't be done, as it can be with a bank, as balances and histories need to be available straight away.
<br>
Most of the guys that work for me have masters degrees (I have the full set) and all need a broad experience in a variety of areas to be even able to work here. Every thing you do touches on performance, scalability and reliability.
<br>
If you worry about the morality of it you're probably wound too tight to be working anywhere. And how many of these hiring companies, especially in america, see military service as a moral plus? If the job interests you do it. If it doesn't don't. And if you're any good and want to work in Australia - send me your resume<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
<br>
Cheers,
Brad
<br>
PS. The one thing I have found doing this, having a PhD, is I understand how the guys working on things like the Manhattan project must have felt. Not commenting on the morality or anything of it, but just how little you think of what it is you are actually doing. For example, rarely do you think of it as being horse racing - all you're concentrating on is getting the right prices in the right columns etc. You just don't think too much about the bigger picture. Just something I found interesting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am the development coordinator for one of the world 's leading wagering software development companies .
Having a background in industrial automation and other real time software systems , I can tell you that writing software for gaming ( especially when it involves racing ) is easily of the same order of writing sharemarket trading software .
As its essentially what it is - a great big real time bank .
Most of the things you would like to do as batch ca n't be done , as it can be with a bank , as balances and histories need to be available straight away .
Most of the guys that work for me have masters degrees ( I have the full set ) and all need a broad experience in a variety of areas to be even able to work here .
Every thing you do touches on performance , scalability and reliability .
If you worry about the morality of it you 're probably wound too tight to be working anywhere .
And how many of these hiring companies , especially in america , see military service as a moral plus ?
If the job interests you do it .
If it does n't do n't .
And if you 're any good and want to work in Australia - send me your resume : - ) Cheers , Brad PS .
The one thing I have found doing this , having a PhD , is I understand how the guys working on things like the Manhattan project must have felt .
Not commenting on the morality or anything of it , but just how little you think of what it is you are actually doing .
For example , rarely do you think of it as being horse racing - all you 're concentrating on is getting the right prices in the right columns etc .
You just do n't think too much about the bigger picture .
Just something I found interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am the development coordinator for one of the world's leading wagering software development companies.
Having a background in industrial automation and other real time software systems, I can tell you that writing software for gaming (especially when it involves racing) is easily of the same order of writing sharemarket trading software.
As its essentially what it is - a great big real time bank.
Most of the things you would like to do as batch can't be done, as it can be with a bank, as balances and histories need to be available straight away.
Most of the guys that work for me have masters degrees (I have the full set) and all need a broad experience in a variety of areas to be even able to work here.
Every thing you do touches on performance, scalability and reliability.
If you worry about the morality of it you're probably wound too tight to be working anywhere.
And how many of these hiring companies, especially in america, see military service as a moral plus?
If the job interests you do it.
If it doesn't don't.
And if you're any good and want to work in Australia - send me your resume :-)

Cheers,
Brad

PS.
The one thing I have found doing this, having a PhD, is I understand how the guys working on things like the Manhattan project must have felt.
Not commenting on the morality or anything of it, but just how little you think of what it is you are actually doing.
For example, rarely do you think of it as being horse racing - all you're concentrating on is getting the right prices in the right columns etc.
You just don't think too much about the bigger picture.
Just something I found interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725943</id>
	<title>Questionable Opportunities</title>
	<author>CherniyVolk</author>
	<datestamp>1255349580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are on the very edge of controversy with such a job.  While people in Las Vegas might not think bad, try getting a job in Salt Lake City afterwards.</p><p>OK, suppose Playboy wanted to hire you?  Would you go?  Playboy being somewhat respected, how about Hustler?  They all need IT gurus too.  The fact is, they get them, and some of them stay in those industries forever.  I also know VCs who will fund "pornographic" businesses, but they don't want as little public connection as possible.  It's the whole image of an industry, that people will see in you and this is the issue.  It's sorta like having a neck tattoo; only being associated with gambling maybe you can word your resume as far from fact as possible.  (If I had a job at Playboy, I probably wouldn't say "Playboy" on my generic resume, but "Major Entertainment Company" and outline the technicalities of my job.  At an interview, where they can read my personality and body expression, then I would mention Playboy, in hopes it doesn't sour my image.  On the other hand, none of my work at Hustler would be on my generic resume, unless I was hoping to move to another adult entertainment company like Vivid or MetArt.  You can get locked in quick.</p><p>Gambling is nowhere near as bad as adult entertainment.  I personally wouldn't worry about it.  The head IT guy at the Bellagio in Vegas is probably well respected by most he runs into; and he most certainly has that on his generic resume.</p><p>While a job at Playboy would have every male co-worker at your new job thinking you can get them inside the Playboy mansion.  Having worked on code for slot machines would have every low-life gambler at your new job begging for information on some mysterious backdoor trick to rob Vegas with.  This will probably be your biggest headache having such a job.  Best not tell anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are on the very edge of controversy with such a job .
While people in Las Vegas might not think bad , try getting a job in Salt Lake City afterwards.OK , suppose Playboy wanted to hire you ?
Would you go ?
Playboy being somewhat respected , how about Hustler ?
They all need IT gurus too .
The fact is , they get them , and some of them stay in those industries forever .
I also know VCs who will fund " pornographic " businesses , but they do n't want as little public connection as possible .
It 's the whole image of an industry , that people will see in you and this is the issue .
It 's sorta like having a neck tattoo ; only being associated with gambling maybe you can word your resume as far from fact as possible .
( If I had a job at Playboy , I probably would n't say " Playboy " on my generic resume , but " Major Entertainment Company " and outline the technicalities of my job .
At an interview , where they can read my personality and body expression , then I would mention Playboy , in hopes it does n't sour my image .
On the other hand , none of my work at Hustler would be on my generic resume , unless I was hoping to move to another adult entertainment company like Vivid or MetArt .
You can get locked in quick.Gambling is nowhere near as bad as adult entertainment .
I personally would n't worry about it .
The head IT guy at the Bellagio in Vegas is probably well respected by most he runs into ; and he most certainly has that on his generic resume.While a job at Playboy would have every male co-worker at your new job thinking you can get them inside the Playboy mansion .
Having worked on code for slot machines would have every low-life gambler at your new job begging for information on some mysterious backdoor trick to rob Vegas with .
This will probably be your biggest headache having such a job .
Best not tell anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are on the very edge of controversy with such a job.
While people in Las Vegas might not think bad, try getting a job in Salt Lake City afterwards.OK, suppose Playboy wanted to hire you?
Would you go?
Playboy being somewhat respected, how about Hustler?
They all need IT gurus too.
The fact is, they get them, and some of them stay in those industries forever.
I also know VCs who will fund "pornographic" businesses, but they don't want as little public connection as possible.
It's the whole image of an industry, that people will see in you and this is the issue.
It's sorta like having a neck tattoo; only being associated with gambling maybe you can word your resume as far from fact as possible.
(If I had a job at Playboy, I probably wouldn't say "Playboy" on my generic resume, but "Major Entertainment Company" and outline the technicalities of my job.
At an interview, where they can read my personality and body expression, then I would mention Playboy, in hopes it doesn't sour my image.
On the other hand, none of my work at Hustler would be on my generic resume, unless I was hoping to move to another adult entertainment company like Vivid or MetArt.
You can get locked in quick.Gambling is nowhere near as bad as adult entertainment.
I personally wouldn't worry about it.
The head IT guy at the Bellagio in Vegas is probably well respected by most he runs into; and he most certainly has that on his generic resume.While a job at Playboy would have every male co-worker at your new job thinking you can get them inside the Playboy mansion.
Having worked on code for slot machines would have every low-life gambler at your new job begging for information on some mysterious backdoor trick to rob Vegas with.
This will probably be your biggest headache having such a job.
Best not tell anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727309</id>
	<title>Gaming Experience: I've never had any problems.</title>
	<author>Tharant</author>
	<datestamp>1255358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent the first twelve years of my career working in both the Class II and Class III gaming industries, we don't call it gambling.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>I'm primarily a systems administrator and recently decided to find a job outside of the gaming industry. I had expected to find that employers may be concerned about my past employment. On the contrary, most of the employers I interviewed with seemed to be curious about the industry and many of them thought that my experiences from that industry could be an asset.</p><p>The gaming biz is very fast paced, requires real-time systems, requires massive networks, requires high-speed communication, requires complex databases, extensive code-review, requires extensive documentation and may requires extensive background investigations (for certain positions). There's a lot to learn in the business and it's a great place to cut your teeth, it's also very broad regarding the types of development that're needed and you could find just about any type of development position you'd want.</p><p>Just like any industry, there are both good and bad things about the gaming biz but I've enjoyed my time in the business and may go back to it someday and I'd definitely recommend it to others.</p><p>Also, I know few developers in Vancouver that were in the biz for a couple of years and they had no trouble with transitions to other industries.</p><p>-tharant</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent the first twelve years of my career working in both the Class II and Class III gaming industries , we do n't call it gambling .
: ) I 'm primarily a systems administrator and recently decided to find a job outside of the gaming industry .
I had expected to find that employers may be concerned about my past employment .
On the contrary , most of the employers I interviewed with seemed to be curious about the industry and many of them thought that my experiences from that industry could be an asset.The gaming biz is very fast paced , requires real-time systems , requires massive networks , requires high-speed communication , requires complex databases , extensive code-review , requires extensive documentation and may requires extensive background investigations ( for certain positions ) .
There 's a lot to learn in the business and it 's a great place to cut your teeth , it 's also very broad regarding the types of development that 're needed and you could find just about any type of development position you 'd want.Just like any industry , there are both good and bad things about the gaming biz but I 've enjoyed my time in the business and may go back to it someday and I 'd definitely recommend it to others.Also , I know few developers in Vancouver that were in the biz for a couple of years and they had no trouble with transitions to other industries.-tharant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent the first twelve years of my career working in both the Class II and Class III gaming industries, we don't call it gambling.
:)I'm primarily a systems administrator and recently decided to find a job outside of the gaming industry.
I had expected to find that employers may be concerned about my past employment.
On the contrary, most of the employers I interviewed with seemed to be curious about the industry and many of them thought that my experiences from that industry could be an asset.The gaming biz is very fast paced, requires real-time systems, requires massive networks, requires high-speed communication, requires complex databases, extensive code-review, requires extensive documentation and may requires extensive background investigations (for certain positions).
There's a lot to learn in the business and it's a great place to cut your teeth, it's also very broad regarding the types of development that're needed and you could find just about any type of development position you'd want.Just like any industry, there are both good and bad things about the gaming biz but I've enjoyed my time in the business and may go back to it someday and I'd definitely recommend it to others.Also, I know few developers in Vancouver that were in the biz for a couple of years and they had no trouble with transitions to other industries.-tharant</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734331</id>
	<title>I hope not!</title>
	<author>devlp0</author>
	<datestamp>1255459800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been working for gamblers for the last few years, out in Gibraltar. I started in the dev team of one company, but now run in an infrastructure team of another. I don't have any ambition to go to north America particularly myself, but a colleague of mine has a wife and family living States' side, another colleague is American himself (very loud) - so I presume they would hope not to have entry into USA issues post employment here.

I have seen a wide angle of work ethics within the gambling industry, some companies being quite strict on software releases and infrastructure changes being rolled out to production, others running along the lines of "free-for-all" changes in production - bless them. So do ask the right questions in interview, otherwise you could find yourself applying Saturday night changes in production<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been working for gamblers for the last few years , out in Gibraltar .
I started in the dev team of one company , but now run in an infrastructure team of another .
I do n't have any ambition to go to north America particularly myself , but a colleague of mine has a wife and family living States ' side , another colleague is American himself ( very loud ) - so I presume they would hope not to have entry into USA issues post employment here .
I have seen a wide angle of work ethics within the gambling industry , some companies being quite strict on software releases and infrastructure changes being rolled out to production , others running along the lines of " free-for-all " changes in production - bless them .
So do ask the right questions in interview , otherwise you could find yourself applying Saturday night changes in production ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been working for gamblers for the last few years, out in Gibraltar.
I started in the dev team of one company, but now run in an infrastructure team of another.
I don't have any ambition to go to north America particularly myself, but a colleague of mine has a wife and family living States' side, another colleague is American himself (very loud) - so I presume they would hope not to have entry into USA issues post employment here.
I have seen a wide angle of work ethics within the gambling industry, some companies being quite strict on software releases and infrastructure changes being rolled out to production, others running along the lines of "free-for-all" changes in production - bless them.
So do ask the right questions in interview, otherwise you could find yourself applying Saturday night changes in production ....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730035</id>
	<title>No black mark at all.</title>
	<author>16Chapel</author>
	<datestamp>1255434660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't really think of any work that someone could have done that would stop me from hiring them - certainly not gambling sites, which I would expect to be entirely above board and close to the cutting edge in terms of experience.  I wouldn't be put off by someone who had experience in the adult industry... that would make me a hypocrit as my wife worked as a sub-editor for Club magazine for 5 years.  It didn't hurt her prospects either - she told me that when she interviewed for her current job (now subbing for a telecomms magazine), the interviewer very seriously looked over her previous work, the Christmas Pussy episode of Club International.<br>
<br>
I guess the thing that would be closest to a black mark would be any kind of enterprise that obviously failed - someone who had worked at Boo.com would have to answer some hard questions (e.g. what were you thinking?), but even then I still wouldn't blame the developers for the ethical / commercial decisions that the bosses had taken.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't really think of any work that someone could have done that would stop me from hiring them - certainly not gambling sites , which I would expect to be entirely above board and close to the cutting edge in terms of experience .
I would n't be put off by someone who had experience in the adult industry... that would make me a hypocrit as my wife worked as a sub-editor for Club magazine for 5 years .
It did n't hurt her prospects either - she told me that when she interviewed for her current job ( now subbing for a telecomms magazine ) , the interviewer very seriously looked over her previous work , the Christmas Pussy episode of Club International .
I guess the thing that would be closest to a black mark would be any kind of enterprise that obviously failed - someone who had worked at Boo.com would have to answer some hard questions ( e.g .
what were you thinking ?
) , but even then I still would n't blame the developers for the ethical / commercial decisions that the bosses had taken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't really think of any work that someone could have done that would stop me from hiring them - certainly not gambling sites, which I would expect to be entirely above board and close to the cutting edge in terms of experience.
I wouldn't be put off by someone who had experience in the adult industry... that would make me a hypocrit as my wife worked as a sub-editor for Club magazine for 5 years.
It didn't hurt her prospects either - she told me that when she interviewed for her current job (now subbing for a telecomms magazine), the interviewer very seriously looked over her previous work, the Christmas Pussy episode of Club International.
I guess the thing that would be closest to a black mark would be any kind of enterprise that obviously failed - someone who had worked at Boo.com would have to answer some hard questions (e.g.
what were you thinking?
), but even then I still wouldn't blame the developers for the ethical / commercial decisions that the bosses had taken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726199</id>
	<title>From Nevada, with Love</title>
	<author>RenoGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1255350960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is entirely untrue.

Living in a state where gambling is legal in the US, I've worked with many, MANY developers who have come out of companies who supply casinos with the software for their systems.  If you can code, and you have the proficiency of, say, a wet piece of bark, yeah, you'll probably not get hired.  However, if you come out of working in the gaming industry (or, "the industry" as we call it in NV) with a gleaming resume, the fact that you can say that you've developed successful systems that are currently live in casino "X" will absolutely shine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is entirely untrue .
Living in a state where gambling is legal in the US , I 've worked with many , MANY developers who have come out of companies who supply casinos with the software for their systems .
If you can code , and you have the proficiency of , say , a wet piece of bark , yeah , you 'll probably not get hired .
However , if you come out of working in the gaming industry ( or , " the industry " as we call it in NV ) with a gleaming resume , the fact that you can say that you 've developed successful systems that are currently live in casino " X " will absolutely shine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is entirely untrue.
Living in a state where gambling is legal in the US, I've worked with many, MANY developers who have come out of companies who supply casinos with the software for their systems.
If you can code, and you have the proficiency of, say, a wet piece of bark, yeah, you'll probably not get hired.
However, if you come out of working in the gaming industry (or, "the industry" as we call it in NV) with a gleaming resume, the fact that you can say that you've developed successful systems that are currently live in casino "X" will absolutely shine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725803</id>
	<title>Anything but telemarketing is kind-of ok :-)</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1255348920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see experience with a gambling site to be an instant disqualifier. Maybe if that's the only kind of site you were involved in it would be, but if it's one of various projects, it shouldn't be big deal.</p><p>The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see "telemarketing" in any fashion that doesn't involve stopping them or hunting them down. It's something you try to hide, not something to put on your resume. I want someone with some brains.</p><p>Also, as an aside: try to avoid going into detail about any activities that are trivial compared to the job you're applying for. Some people seem to think that if they have a 10 page resume padded with irrelevant history, they'll look better. Nope, doesn't work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see experience with a gambling site to be an instant disqualifier .
Maybe if that 's the only kind of site you were involved in it would be , but if it 's one of various projects , it should n't be big deal.The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see " telemarketing " in any fashion that does n't involve stopping them or hunting them down .
It 's something you try to hide , not something to put on your resume .
I want someone with some brains.Also , as an aside : try to avoid going into detail about any activities that are trivial compared to the job you 're applying for .
Some people seem to think that if they have a 10 page resume padded with irrelevant history , they 'll look better .
Nope , does n't work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see experience with a gambling site to be an instant disqualifier.
Maybe if that's the only kind of site you were involved in it would be, but if it's one of various projects, it shouldn't be big deal.The only time a resume gets thrown into the trashcan right away is if I see "telemarketing" in any fashion that doesn't involve stopping them or hunting them down.
It's something you try to hide, not something to put on your resume.
I want someone with some brains.Also, as an aside: try to avoid going into detail about any activities that are trivial compared to the job you're applying for.
Some people seem to think that if they have a 10 page resume padded with irrelevant history, they'll look better.
Nope, doesn't work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727237</id>
	<title>Just do it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255357440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for the the gambling industry.  Its excellent work, fun and you'll learn a lot fast.  It may have a bad sound to it, but in the area I live (Upstate NY, USA), it doesn't affect my chance at a job at all.  Most gaming machines run some form of Unix or Linux, and the companies that make them really put out some top notch products.  Bally's, IGT, Spielo (GTECH) -- to name a few -- make some really solid machines.</p><p>You'll quickly learn to hate bill validators and card readers, but it shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for the the gambling industry .
Its excellent work , fun and you 'll learn a lot fast .
It may have a bad sound to it , but in the area I live ( Upstate NY , USA ) , it does n't affect my chance at a job at all .
Most gaming machines run some form of Unix or Linux , and the companies that make them really put out some top notch products .
Bally 's , IGT , Spielo ( GTECH ) -- to name a few -- make some really solid machines.You 'll quickly learn to hate bill validators and card readers , but it should n't tarnish your reputation at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for the the gambling industry.
Its excellent work, fun and you'll learn a lot fast.
It may have a bad sound to it, but in the area I live (Upstate NY, USA), it doesn't affect my chance at a job at all.
Most gaming machines run some form of Unix or Linux, and the companies that make them really put out some top notch products.
Bally's, IGT, Spielo (GTECH) -- to name a few -- make some really solid machines.You'll quickly learn to hate bill validators and card readers, but it shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29798815</id>
	<title>Re:Don't Worry too much about it</title>
	<author>covertbadger</author>
	<datestamp>1255985100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cryptologic, by any chance? Just curious. I agree with you, incidentally - I have significant experience working for a large, legal, and extremely successful betting operation, and our biggest problem with staff retention is the fact that investment banks keep poaching our developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cryptologic , by any chance ?
Just curious .
I agree with you , incidentally - I have significant experience working for a large , legal , and extremely successful betting operation , and our biggest problem with staff retention is the fact that investment banks keep poaching our developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cryptologic, by any chance?
Just curious.
I agree with you, incidentally - I have significant experience working for a large, legal, and extremely successful betting operation, and our biggest problem with staff retention is the fact that investment banks keep poaching our developers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727223</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255357380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't consider the gambling industry to be run by criminals, the IRS, well, that's another story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't consider the gambling industry to be run by criminals , the IRS , well , that 's another story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't consider the gambling industry to be run by criminals, the IRS, well, that's another story.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725939</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726351</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255351860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The capitol is in Washington DC, l2spell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The capitol is in Washington DC , l2spell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The capitol is in Washington DC, l2spell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725387</id>
	<title>A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In today's economy, a job is a job<br>
Maybe if this, working for the gambling industry, is your concern, you don't really need a job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In today 's economy , a job is a job Maybe if this , working for the gambling industry , is your concern , you do n't really need a job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In today's economy, a job is a job
Maybe if this, working for the gambling industry, is your concern, you don't really need a job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725559</id>
	<title>No - you'll be fine.</title>
	<author>Count Sessine</author>
	<datestamp>1255347480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm in the gaming industry, and I've interviewed and worked with plenty of people who started out writing gambling software. I wouldn't have any problem hiring someone out of that field, and neither would my colleagues and coworkers.

Now, outside of gaming in general, in the world or grown-up software? Not sure about that...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the gaming industry , and I 've interviewed and worked with plenty of people who started out writing gambling software .
I would n't have any problem hiring someone out of that field , and neither would my colleagues and coworkers .
Now , outside of gaming in general , in the world or grown-up software ?
Not sure about that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the gaming industry, and I've interviewed and worked with plenty of people who started out writing gambling software.
I wouldn't have any problem hiring someone out of that field, and neither would my colleagues and coworkers.
Now, outside of gaming in general, in the world or grown-up software?
Not sure about that...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726443</id>
	<title>Oh hell yeah!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255352340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in all of Europe. You already know it, when you find out, that all of them are on some small island with specific tax rules. They are very close to the whole fraud industry.<br>Here in Germany, they were caught more than once, fixing all bets. Even on huge events like soccer &amp; co.</p><p>I think of it as the legal arm of the criminals. And if you are in contact with them, soon you end up doing other things where you have to bend your moral values to the breaking point.<br>I bet if you dig, you can put half of them straight to jail.</p><p>I know this, because I worked with them. And I would keep as far away from them, as you'd do with the mafia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in all of Europe .
You already know it , when you find out , that all of them are on some small island with specific tax rules .
They are very close to the whole fraud industry.Here in Germany , they were caught more than once , fixing all bets .
Even on huge events like soccer &amp; co.I think of it as the legal arm of the criminals .
And if you are in contact with them , soon you end up doing other things where you have to bend your moral values to the breaking point.I bet if you dig , you can put half of them straight to jail.I know this , because I worked with them .
And I would keep as far away from them , as you 'd do with the mafia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in all of Europe.
You already know it, when you find out, that all of them are on some small island with specific tax rules.
They are very close to the whole fraud industry.Here in Germany, they were caught more than once, fixing all bets.
Even on huge events like soccer &amp; co.I think of it as the legal arm of the criminals.
And if you are in contact with them, soon you end up doing other things where you have to bend your moral values to the breaking point.I bet if you dig, you can put half of them straight to jail.I know this, because I worked with them.
And I would keep as far away from them, as you'd do with the mafia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727417</id>
	<title>I think</title>
	<author>ThurstonMoore</author>
	<datestamp>1255359000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it would be better than no experience at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it would be better than no experience at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it would be better than no experience at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728155</id>
	<title>Re:Anything but telemarketing is kind-of ok :-)</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1255364820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually my buddy works in IT in telemarketing, specifically supporting charitable organizations. His job is to maximize hit rates and avoid calling people like you and me at all costs. He actually deals with some challenging IT projects on a daily basis like merges between multiple hundred(s) of million row tables, data validation, historical lookbacks (who and what patterns of people donated in the past), localization (find one gatherer per neighborhood who uses their time to bring in more donations), etc. Trust me neither he, his company, nor their clients want YOU to be called.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually my buddy works in IT in telemarketing , specifically supporting charitable organizations .
His job is to maximize hit rates and avoid calling people like you and me at all costs .
He actually deals with some challenging IT projects on a daily basis like merges between multiple hundred ( s ) of million row tables , data validation , historical lookbacks ( who and what patterns of people donated in the past ) , localization ( find one gatherer per neighborhood who uses their time to bring in more donations ) , etc .
Trust me neither he , his company , nor their clients want YOU to be called .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually my buddy works in IT in telemarketing, specifically supporting charitable organizations.
His job is to maximize hit rates and avoid calling people like you and me at all costs.
He actually deals with some challenging IT projects on a daily basis like merges between multiple hundred(s) of million row tables, data validation, historical lookbacks (who and what patterns of people donated in the past), localization (find one gatherer per neighborhood who uses their time to bring in more donations), etc.
Trust me neither he, his company, nor their clients want YOU to be called.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727347</id>
	<title>No worries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255358460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are lots of neat IT things you can do in the gaming industry.... all sorts of cool applications of CEP, stats and so forth, all of which have great applications in the gaming industry and elsewhere.  If gaming doesn't fit your longer term tastes, there are plenty of applications for the skills you'll learn in finance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are lots of neat IT things you can do in the gaming industry.... all sorts of cool applications of CEP , stats and so forth , all of which have great applications in the gaming industry and elsewhere .
If gaming does n't fit your longer term tastes , there are plenty of applications for the skills you 'll learn in finance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are lots of neat IT things you can do in the gaming industry.... all sorts of cool applications of CEP, stats and so forth, all of which have great applications in the gaming industry and elsewhere.
If gaming doesn't fit your longer term tastes, there are plenty of applications for the skills you'll learn in finance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734889</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>rve</author>
	<datestamp>1255462140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would it be a black mark?</p></div><p>In many states and countries, gambling is illegal or otherwise controlled.</p><p>Over here, gambling is only allowed in government controlled casinos, and all forms of online gambling are illegal.</p><p>Of course you can't stop people from using gambling sites hosted abroad, but such sites are considered criminal organizations. I doubt a programmer would be arrested on conspiracy charges just for having worked on gambling related software, but companies that require a background check might not want to take the risk, if another candidate doesn't have such a shady past.</p><p>Myself, I don't like gambling, so as with everything I don't like, I feel it should be banned<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would it be a black mark ? In many states and countries , gambling is illegal or otherwise controlled.Over here , gambling is only allowed in government controlled casinos , and all forms of online gambling are illegal.Of course you ca n't stop people from using gambling sites hosted abroad , but such sites are considered criminal organizations .
I doubt a programmer would be arrested on conspiracy charges just for having worked on gambling related software , but companies that require a background check might not want to take the risk , if another candidate does n't have such a shady past.Myself , I do n't like gambling , so as with everything I do n't like , I feel it should be banned : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would it be a black mark?In many states and countries, gambling is illegal or otherwise controlled.Over here, gambling is only allowed in government controlled casinos, and all forms of online gambling are illegal.Of course you can't stop people from using gambling sites hosted abroad, but such sites are considered criminal organizations.
I doubt a programmer would be arrested on conspiracy charges just for having worked on gambling related software, but companies that require a background check might not want to take the risk, if another candidate doesn't have such a shady past.Myself, I don't like gambling, so as with everything I don't like, I feel it should be banned :)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727495</id>
	<title>Gambling is a tax for the poor... at math</title>
	<author>edfardos</author>
	<datestamp>1255359540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd work for a legitimate casino that pays taxes and reports income.  Indian or other types of casino's are not legitimate businesses.  Besides, they can descriminate, so unless you're native american your job will never be secure.  It'd raise an eyebrow if I interviewed you.
<p>
--edfardos</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd work for a legitimate casino that pays taxes and reports income .
Indian or other types of casino 's are not legitimate businesses .
Besides , they can descriminate , so unless you 're native american your job will never be secure .
It 'd raise an eyebrow if I interviewed you .
--edfardos</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd work for a legitimate casino that pays taxes and reports income.
Indian or other types of casino's are not legitimate businesses.
Besides, they can descriminate, so unless you're native american your job will never be secure.
It'd raise an eyebrow if I interviewed you.
--edfardos</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725541</id>
	<title>I don't think so</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1255347420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, anecdotal evidence but I do live in Vegas and I worked in a non gaming software company here with people who previously worked for gaming companies and moved on to other jobs without any problems. One of them works for a major military contractor right now, after working for IGT (who makes most of Vegas slot machines) for years. So I don't think it's a problem. I guess it depends on the details. If your job offer is from one of the offshore poker sites or other sites illegal in the USA, it might be a different story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , anecdotal evidence but I do live in Vegas and I worked in a non gaming software company here with people who previously worked for gaming companies and moved on to other jobs without any problems .
One of them works for a major military contractor right now , after working for IGT ( who makes most of Vegas slot machines ) for years .
So I do n't think it 's a problem .
I guess it depends on the details .
If your job offer is from one of the offshore poker sites or other sites illegal in the USA , it might be a different story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, anecdotal evidence but I do live in Vegas and I worked in a non gaming software company here with people who previously worked for gaming companies and moved on to other jobs without any problems.
One of them works for a major military contractor right now, after working for IGT (who makes most of Vegas slot machines) for years.
So I don't think it's a problem.
I guess it depends on the details.
If your job offer is from one of the offshore poker sites or other sites illegal in the USA, it might be a different story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725641</id>
	<title>Good Mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in michigan and if you have a job to place on a resume its a good sign.  At this point in michigan I think they'll accept drug dealer as relevant job experience</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in michigan and if you have a job to place on a resume its a good sign .
At this point in michigan I think they 'll accept drug dealer as relevant job experience</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in michigan and if you have a job to place on a resume its a good sign.
At this point in michigan I think they'll accept drug dealer as relevant job experience</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727503</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may roll those dice, but depending upon your assignment, you may never touch a slot machine again as a customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may roll those dice , but depending upon your assignment , you may never touch a slot machine again as a customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may roll those dice, but depending upon your assignment, you may never touch a slot machine again as a customer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725329</id>
	<title>No.  Its not a black mark.  Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada.  Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing.  However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry.  get out now and do something more interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada .
Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing .
However , its a boring , crappy , narrow-minded industry .
get out now and do something more interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada.
Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing.
However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry.
get out now and do something more interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727739</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>bwcbwc</author>
	<datestamp>1255361280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the reason wages are down is because we let China and India bootstrap themselves into information economies by educating their students. Then they undercut our salaries by using the internet to compete in markets they couldn't otherwise reach. So due to competition, yes the work IS worth less. Sometimes the free market is a bitch, isn't it? Just like for the dairy farmers who have to slaughter their cows because milk prices are so low.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the reason wages are down is because we let China and India bootstrap themselves into information economies by educating their students .
Then they undercut our salaries by using the internet to compete in markets they could n't otherwise reach .
So due to competition , yes the work IS worth less .
Sometimes the free market is a bitch , is n't it ?
Just like for the dairy farmers who have to slaughter their cows because milk prices are so low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the reason wages are down is because we let China and India bootstrap themselves into information economies by educating their students.
Then they undercut our salaries by using the internet to compete in markets they couldn't otherwise reach.
So due to competition, yes the work IS worth less.
Sometimes the free market is a bitch, isn't it?
Just like for the dairy farmers who have to slaughter their cows because milk prices are so low.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729285</id>
	<title>Yes, your instincts are correct</title>
	<author>CompletelyCluless</author>
	<datestamp>1255466040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, your instincts are correct. Gambling sites are seedy and gambling experience will make most grimace. Not just on moral grounds but it also suggests that you were desperate enough to take a job in this industry at some point.  And desperation on resume = bin.

That said we&rsquo;re in deep recession. If you&rsquo;re really stuck take it, keep looking for something better and leave it off your Resume.

But *really* make it short term and avoid normalizing to it like the plague as you risk getting stuck in the industry due to reduced options.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , your instincts are correct .
Gambling sites are seedy and gambling experience will make most grimace .
Not just on moral grounds but it also suggests that you were desperate enough to take a job in this industry at some point .
And desperation on resume = bin .
That said we    re in deep recession .
If you    re really stuck take it , keep looking for something better and leave it off your Resume .
But * really * make it short term and avoid normalizing to it like the plague as you risk getting stuck in the industry due to reduced options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, your instincts are correct.
Gambling sites are seedy and gambling experience will make most grimace.
Not just on moral grounds but it also suggests that you were desperate enough to take a job in this industry at some point.
And desperation on resume = bin.
That said we’re in deep recession.
If you’re really stuck take it, keep looking for something better and leave it off your Resume.
But *really* make it short term and avoid normalizing to it like the plague as you risk getting stuck in the industry due to reduced options.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725845</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>MyDixieWrecked</author>
	<datestamp>1255349100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If anything, it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.</i></p><p>I agree 100\%.</p><p>Much like working in the porn industry (on the tech side, I mean), they [generally] use the latest and greatest of technologies and practices for security. The gambling industry was one of the first to utilize large deployments of quantum random number generators among other, similar technologies.</p><p>Personally, I think that when it comes to quality of experience, I think banks, porn and gambling companies are at the bleeding edge of tech and the exposure to their technologies will make you a better developer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything , it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.I agree 100 \ % .Much like working in the porn industry ( on the tech side , I mean ) , they [ generally ] use the latest and greatest of technologies and practices for security .
The gambling industry was one of the first to utilize large deployments of quantum random number generators among other , similar technologies.Personally , I think that when it comes to quality of experience , I think banks , porn and gambling companies are at the bleeding edge of tech and the exposure to their technologies will make you a better developer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything, it shows that you can work in a highly regulated field that moves a LOT of money around at a LOT of locations with HIGH security.I agree 100\%.Much like working in the porn industry (on the tech side, I mean), they [generally] use the latest and greatest of technologies and practices for security.
The gambling industry was one of the first to utilize large deployments of quantum random number generators among other, similar technologies.Personally, I think that when it comes to quality of experience, I think banks, porn and gambling companies are at the bleeding edge of tech and the exposure to their technologies will make you a better developer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725551</id>
	<title>Not for me...</title>
	<author>chriskenrick</author>
	<datestamp>1255347480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's never been an issue for me, and out of my approximately 15 years in IT, I've spent about 10 of them working for gaming or wagering companies.  If anything, gaming or wagering companies seem to prefer people with experience in that industry, so in effect you are probably creating more opportunities for yourself down the track rather than less.
<br> <br>
Oh, and if you're getting into a highly regulated area such as slots or table games, you'll find that you'll have no choice but to gain skills in careful attention to detail in areas like version control, configuration management, hardware control, and security.  That sort of rigour in those important things will serve you well no matter what your next role.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's never been an issue for me , and out of my approximately 15 years in IT , I 've spent about 10 of them working for gaming or wagering companies .
If anything , gaming or wagering companies seem to prefer people with experience in that industry , so in effect you are probably creating more opportunities for yourself down the track rather than less .
Oh , and if you 're getting into a highly regulated area such as slots or table games , you 'll find that you 'll have no choice but to gain skills in careful attention to detail in areas like version control , configuration management , hardware control , and security .
That sort of rigour in those important things will serve you well no matter what your next role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's never been an issue for me, and out of my approximately 15 years in IT, I've spent about 10 of them working for gaming or wagering companies.
If anything, gaming or wagering companies seem to prefer people with experience in that industry, so in effect you are probably creating more opportunities for yourself down the track rather than less.
Oh, and if you're getting into a highly regulated area such as slots or table games, you'll find that you'll have no choice but to gain skills in careful attention to detail in areas like version control, configuration management, hardware control, and security.
That sort of rigour in those important things will serve you well no matter what your next role.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726715</id>
	<title>The parent is correct.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255353720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Posting anon for obvious reasons...) I spent the past 5 years in the video slot business, working in North America, Russia, South America and Mexico. The quality of engineering I saw was mostly bad (worst in the USA, where security needs really aren't that high compared to other markets, and regulations are routinely flouted). The technical management was as incompetent as you'd expect in any software sector.
</p><p>
But the key thing to remember: At the management level, you are going to rub shoulders with extremely dishonest people. The companies I worked with were riddled with embezzlers and liars. Their scams were often intercontinental and ran to 7 figure thefts (some people I was aware of had stolen 8 figure sums over time). Big money attracts these sort of people like shit attracts flies. Trust your instincts and don't do anything stupid, risky, or with even a hint of double dealing. You won't necessarily be able to figure out who to trust, which can lead to nasty surprises or worse. (It's only a "safe place" if you're very careful and/or lucky.)
</p><p>
At best it might be a thrilling adventure, and you'll have some stories at the end of it, but you'll also have scars, and you'll lose friends (even honest ones), might end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit brought by guys who love lawyers and have unlimited amounts to spend on them. Or, you could end up assaulted or dead (one man I knew was fond of making quite genuine threats to the life and limb of his programming team, to coerce them to go along with his dishonest schemes).
</p><p> If there is one thing I have learned: Criminals have little use for honest people. They neither understand nor tolerate them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Posting anon for obvious reasons... ) I spent the past 5 years in the video slot business , working in North America , Russia , South America and Mexico .
The quality of engineering I saw was mostly bad ( worst in the USA , where security needs really are n't that high compared to other markets , and regulations are routinely flouted ) .
The technical management was as incompetent as you 'd expect in any software sector .
But the key thing to remember : At the management level , you are going to rub shoulders with extremely dishonest people .
The companies I worked with were riddled with embezzlers and liars .
Their scams were often intercontinental and ran to 7 figure thefts ( some people I was aware of had stolen 8 figure sums over time ) .
Big money attracts these sort of people like shit attracts flies .
Trust your instincts and do n't do anything stupid , risky , or with even a hint of double dealing .
You wo n't necessarily be able to figure out who to trust , which can lead to nasty surprises or worse .
( It 's only a " safe place " if you 're very careful and/or lucky .
) At best it might be a thrilling adventure , and you 'll have some stories at the end of it , but you 'll also have scars , and you 'll lose friends ( even honest ones ) , might end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit brought by guys who love lawyers and have unlimited amounts to spend on them .
Or , you could end up assaulted or dead ( one man I knew was fond of making quite genuine threats to the life and limb of his programming team , to coerce them to go along with his dishonest schemes ) .
If there is one thing I have learned : Criminals have little use for honest people .
They neither understand nor tolerate them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Posting anon for obvious reasons...) I spent the past 5 years in the video slot business, working in North America, Russia, South America and Mexico.
The quality of engineering I saw was mostly bad (worst in the USA, where security needs really aren't that high compared to other markets, and regulations are routinely flouted).
The technical management was as incompetent as you'd expect in any software sector.
But the key thing to remember: At the management level, you are going to rub shoulders with extremely dishonest people.
The companies I worked with were riddled with embezzlers and liars.
Their scams were often intercontinental and ran to 7 figure thefts (some people I was aware of had stolen 8 figure sums over time).
Big money attracts these sort of people like shit attracts flies.
Trust your instincts and don't do anything stupid, risky, or with even a hint of double dealing.
You won't necessarily be able to figure out who to trust, which can lead to nasty surprises or worse.
(It's only a "safe place" if you're very careful and/or lucky.
)

At best it might be a thrilling adventure, and you'll have some stories at the end of it, but you'll also have scars, and you'll lose friends (even honest ones), might end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit brought by guys who love lawyers and have unlimited amounts to spend on them.
Or, you could end up assaulted or dead (one man I knew was fond of making quite genuine threats to the life and limb of his programming team, to coerce them to go along with his dishonest schemes).
If there is one thing I have learned: Criminals have little use for honest people.
They neither understand nor tolerate them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728357</id>
	<title>Why would it be?</title>
	<author>upuv</author>
	<datestamp>1255367100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one really cares,</p><p>If you are working for a legit business and doing quality work that is all that people care about. There are always some personality types that are going to take offence.</p><p>Gambling Job  pisses people off with strong opinions on morality.<br>Miltary job pisses off peace lovers.<br>Government job brands you as lazy and un-coroperative.<br>Tax Office job pisses of your mother and everyone else.<br>Transit employee brands you as a unionist and lazy<br>Tobaco brands you as a selfish evil abuser.<br>etc.</p><p>There is always something.</p><p>Guess what.  Do good work.  Have something to show for your time.  And you will not have issues with future employment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one really cares,If you are working for a legit business and doing quality work that is all that people care about .
There are always some personality types that are going to take offence.Gambling Job pisses people off with strong opinions on morality.Miltary job pisses off peace lovers.Government job brands you as lazy and un-coroperative.Tax Office job pisses of your mother and everyone else.Transit employee brands you as a unionist and lazyTobaco brands you as a selfish evil abuser.etc.There is always something.Guess what .
Do good work .
Have something to show for your time .
And you will not have issues with future employment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one really cares,If you are working for a legit business and doing quality work that is all that people care about.
There are always some personality types that are going to take offence.Gambling Job  pisses people off with strong opinions on morality.Miltary job pisses off peace lovers.Government job brands you as lazy and un-coroperative.Tax Office job pisses of your mother and everyone else.Transit employee brands you as a unionist and lazyTobaco brands you as a selfish evil abuser.etc.There is always something.Guess what.
Do good work.
Have something to show for your time.
And you will not have issues with future employment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29740973</id>
	<title>They told me that about porn.</title>
	<author>NerdENerd</author>
	<datestamp>1255453380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My first programming job was with a porn company.
A lot of people told me that it was a career move that would get me stuck in the porn industry.
After about six months I was sick of the job and started looking for a new job.
When I got an interview with a bank for an Internet Banking role I told them exactly what I did for the last company minus what the content we were distributing was.
Nobody ever asked me in the interview what sort of sites I was developing, just my technical experience.
Once I had the job for a few months I told the people I worked with at the bank what my last roles was and they all kind of had a giggle at it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My first programming job was with a porn company .
A lot of people told me that it was a career move that would get me stuck in the porn industry .
After about six months I was sick of the job and started looking for a new job .
When I got an interview with a bank for an Internet Banking role I told them exactly what I did for the last company minus what the content we were distributing was .
Nobody ever asked me in the interview what sort of sites I was developing , just my technical experience .
Once I had the job for a few months I told the people I worked with at the bank what my last roles was and they all kind of had a giggle at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first programming job was with a porn company.
A lot of people told me that it was a career move that would get me stuck in the porn industry.
After about six months I was sick of the job and started looking for a new job.
When I got an interview with a bank for an Internet Banking role I told them exactly what I did for the last company minus what the content we were distributing was.
Nobody ever asked me in the interview what sort of sites I was developing, just my technical experience.
Once I had the job for a few months I told the people I worked with at the bank what my last roles was and they all kind of had a giggle at it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732197</id>
	<title>One Caution</title>
	<author>ibm1130</author>
	<datestamp>1255450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a number of others have pointed out you'll probably learn a lot about high security applications and I don't think there's any sort of black mark associated with such employment going forward. However if you enjoy gambling in Vegas you might want to consider that the gaming regulators take a very dim view of people associated with the technical side of the industry showing up in casinos While I lived in Silicon Valley I took courses at local colleges and universities. Two of my instructors mentioned they weren't allowed to go to Vegas casinos because they had been employed by a gaming machine manufacturer and the Nevada gaming regulators ( decades before ) respectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a number of others have pointed out you 'll probably learn a lot about high security applications and I do n't think there 's any sort of black mark associated with such employment going forward .
However if you enjoy gambling in Vegas you might want to consider that the gaming regulators take a very dim view of people associated with the technical side of the industry showing up in casinos While I lived in Silicon Valley I took courses at local colleges and universities .
Two of my instructors mentioned they were n't allowed to go to Vegas casinos because they had been employed by a gaming machine manufacturer and the Nevada gaming regulators ( decades before ) respectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a number of others have pointed out you'll probably learn a lot about high security applications and I don't think there's any sort of black mark associated with such employment going forward.
However if you enjoy gambling in Vegas you might want to consider that the gaming regulators take a very dim view of people associated with the technical side of the industry showing up in casinos While I lived in Silicon Valley I took courses at local colleges and universities.
Two of my instructors mentioned they weren't allowed to go to Vegas casinos because they had been employed by a gaming machine manufacturer and the Nevada gaming regulators ( decades before ) respectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29741253</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255457100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>delve into the minds of HR types</p></div><p>Error: File Not Found.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>delve into the minds of HR typesError : File Not Found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>delve into the minds of HR typesError: File Not Found.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725947</id>
	<title>Selling ED Hardy :Handbags For Female,Jacket For M</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255349640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>    Http://www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
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<tokenext>Http : //www.tntshoes.com           09 new Jordanating shoes , basketball shoes , new style shoes , brand sports shoes , Air Retro , accept paypal ports shoes,Basketball shoes,Sports shoes Accept PAYPALSize for MEN&amp;WOMEN Basketball shoes size for men : $ 28- $ 33   OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725439</id>
	<title>Now I'm really confused</title>
	<author>abbynormal brain</author>
	<datestamp>1255346940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Based on this answer of "yes", I would be under the impression that ANY software development company would be overjoyed to hire you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...given that the qualifications are "screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people".</p><p>Speaking of which<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I have to go and pick up my copy of Windows Vista.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on this answer of " yes " , I would be under the impression that ANY software development company would be overjoyed to hire you ...given that the qualifications are " screwing money out of stupid , statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people " .Speaking of which ... I have to go and pick up my copy of Windows Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on this answer of "yes", I would be under the impression that ANY software development company would be overjoyed to hire you ...given that the qualifications are "screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people".Speaking of which ... I have to go and pick up my copy of Windows Vista.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729395</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>tthomas48</author>
	<datestamp>1255424460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rich tend to lose the most during recessions <i>on paper</i>, due to most of their wealth being in stocks.</p><p>Taking out of account the fact that you think losing more = losing more total dollars, rather than losing a percentage of one's income. You seem to be stuck in the "averages tell me something useful" realm of economics 101.</p><p>Regardless, this psychological shock to the very rich tends to make them do irrational things to try to prop up their paper worth such as firing employees at businesses that are doing just fine, thus causing the businesses to work poorly, and adding workers to the unemployment queue which in turn increases their payroll taxes, thus reducing the likelihood they'll hire in the near future. GM's a great example of a company finely run by economics 101 standards.</p><p>Most of the rich are emotional apes of average intelligence just like the rest of us, who have gotten very, very lucky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rich tend to lose the most during recessions on paper , due to most of their wealth being in stocks.Taking out of account the fact that you think losing more = losing more total dollars , rather than losing a percentage of one 's income .
You seem to be stuck in the " averages tell me something useful " realm of economics 101.Regardless , this psychological shock to the very rich tends to make them do irrational things to try to prop up their paper worth such as firing employees at businesses that are doing just fine , thus causing the businesses to work poorly , and adding workers to the unemployment queue which in turn increases their payroll taxes , thus reducing the likelihood they 'll hire in the near future .
GM 's a great example of a company finely run by economics 101 standards.Most of the rich are emotional apes of average intelligence just like the rest of us , who have gotten very , very lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rich tend to lose the most during recessions on paper, due to most of their wealth being in stocks.Taking out of account the fact that you think losing more = losing more total dollars, rather than losing a percentage of one's income.
You seem to be stuck in the "averages tell me something useful" realm of economics 101.Regardless, this psychological shock to the very rich tends to make them do irrational things to try to prop up their paper worth such as firing employees at businesses that are doing just fine, thus causing the businesses to work poorly, and adding workers to the unemployment queue which in turn increases their payroll taxes, thus reducing the likelihood they'll hire in the near future.
GM's a great example of a company finely run by economics 101 standards.Most of the rich are emotional apes of average intelligence just like the rest of us, who have gotten very, very lucky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725599</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the gambling industry you're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen.  You'll see things and talk with people who've been in low places.</p><p>Those people will be your managers.</p><p>Do it.  Especially if you're young.  You'll be learning so much from such a safe place.</p><p>I'd hire you just to hear your stories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the gambling industry you 're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen .
You 'll see things and talk with people who 've been in low places.Those people will be your managers.Do it .
Especially if you 're young .
You 'll be learning so much from such a safe place.I 'd hire you just to hear your stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the gambling industry you're going to be around some people who rub elbows with some real cuthroat businessmen.
You'll see things and talk with people who've been in low places.Those people will be your managers.Do it.
Especially if you're young.
You'll be learning so much from such a safe place.I'd hire you just to hear your stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725615</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry. get out now and do something more interesting</p></div></blockquote><p>You've just described about 90\% of all jobs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , its a boring , crappy , narrow-minded industry .
get out now and do something more interestingYou 've just described about 90 \ % of all jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry.
get out now and do something more interestingYou've just described about 90\% of all jobs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725699</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255348320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for.</p> </div><p>Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good.  In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage.  You probably do this automatically, but if you think someone is lying or cheating in their interview process that should definitely rule them out, even if they are technically able to "do the job"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for .
Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good .
In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage .
You probably do this automatically , but if you think someone is lying or cheating in their interview process that should definitely rule them out , even if they are technically able to " do the job "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for.
Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good.
In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage.
You probably do this automatically, but if you think someone is lying or cheating in their interview process that should definitely rule them out, even if they are technically able to "do the job"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726333</id>
	<title>I'm in gaming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255351680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's software, like any other software.  Gaming machines have many appendages; bill collectors, card readers, button panels, touchscreen, various media, battery monitors, host system (back-end) communication, networking, etc.  They're big animals.  There are existing standards bodies and laboratories that will vet your work according to various specifications.</p><p>I suppose the sales and marketing side might be shady on occasion but you're not going to see that because you don't know jack about gaming so no one from the front office will want to talk to you.  Gaming has it's own vernacular and noobs are only interesting when they're playing.</p><p>It's a growth industry.  Easier for states to take a cut of gaming money than crank up taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's software , like any other software .
Gaming machines have many appendages ; bill collectors , card readers , button panels , touchscreen , various media , battery monitors , host system ( back-end ) communication , networking , etc .
They 're big animals .
There are existing standards bodies and laboratories that will vet your work according to various specifications.I suppose the sales and marketing side might be shady on occasion but you 're not going to see that because you do n't know jack about gaming so no one from the front office will want to talk to you .
Gaming has it 's own vernacular and noobs are only interesting when they 're playing.It 's a growth industry .
Easier for states to take a cut of gaming money than crank up taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's software, like any other software.
Gaming machines have many appendages; bill collectors, card readers, button panels, touchscreen, various media, battery monitors, host system (back-end) communication, networking, etc.
They're big animals.
There are existing standards bodies and laboratories that will vet your work according to various specifications.I suppose the sales and marketing side might be shady on occasion but you're not going to see that because you don't know jack about gaming so no one from the front office will want to talk to you.
Gaming has it's own vernacular and noobs are only interesting when they're playing.It's a growth industry.
Easier for states to take a cut of gaming money than crank up taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725437</id>
	<title>Yes and No</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1255346940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anything can be a black mark if the person hiring dislikes it. There is nothing particularly unique about gambling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything can be a black mark if the person hiring dislikes it .
There is nothing particularly unique about gambling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything can be a black mark if the person hiring dislikes it.
There is nothing particularly unique about gambling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725695</id>
	<title>Black Mark</title>
	<author>hardihoot</author>
	<datestamp>1255348260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say go for it.  You could end up in Atlantic City, New Jersey in one of Donald Trump's hotels.  You would be New York City and Washington DC about 3 hours away.  The cultural experience would be quite remarkable I think.

Then again, you might end up on a riverboat on the Mississippi river having to work in a cramped cubicle below the waterline.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say go for it .
You could end up in Atlantic City , New Jersey in one of Donald Trump 's hotels .
You would be New York City and Washington DC about 3 hours away .
The cultural experience would be quite remarkable I think .
Then again , you might end up on a riverboat on the Mississippi river having to work in a cramped cubicle below the waterline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say go for it.
You could end up in Atlantic City, New Jersey in one of Donald Trump's hotels.
You would be New York City and Washington DC about 3 hours away.
The cultural experience would be quite remarkable I think.
Then again, you might end up on a riverboat on the Mississippi river having to work in a cramped cubicle below the waterline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725717</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1255348440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Why would it be a black mark?</i>

</p><p>It would around here, in a lot of places. One of the developers I used to work with interviewed at a company that had a banner that read "God Supervises This Office" in the lobby.

</p><p>Outside southern red states including, ironically, one or two with a healthy gaming industry, it would probably be an advantage.  It means you can work in high security areas around a lot of money, don't have any felonies in your background and can work in an environment that's not particularly tolerant of mistakes.

</p><p>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would it be a black mark ?
It would around here , in a lot of places .
One of the developers I used to work with interviewed at a company that had a banner that read " God Supervises This Office " in the lobby .
Outside southern red states including , ironically , one or two with a healthy gaming industry , it would probably be an advantage .
It means you can work in high security areas around a lot of money , do n't have any felonies in your background and can work in an environment that 's not particularly tolerant of mistakes .
Personally , if a right wing , dogmatic , Bible-thumping company owner did n't want to hire me I 'd consider that a badge of honor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why would it be a black mark?
It would around here, in a lot of places.
One of the developers I used to work with interviewed at a company that had a banner that read "God Supervises This Office" in the lobby.
Outside southern red states including, ironically, one or two with a healthy gaming industry, it would probably be an advantage.
It means you can work in high security areas around a lot of money, don't have any felonies in your background and can work in an environment that's not particularly tolerant of mistakes.
Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731717</id>
	<title>No way would it reflect badly.</title>
	<author>JohnPombrio</author>
	<datestamp>1255448220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> At HP, I would repair the equipment folks would be writing to the firmware and software to gambling machines in Rhode Island. This was in a corporate park far away from any casinos. They wore the usual work office apparel and unless I looked at the equipment of asked them what they were doing, I would NEVER be able to tell that they were working on slots. Small teams, good camaraderie, good working environment, and no impossible deadlines.
  Hell, just tell the next recruiter that you were working on random number generators!</htmltext>
<tokenext>At HP , I would repair the equipment folks would be writing to the firmware and software to gambling machines in Rhode Island .
This was in a corporate park far away from any casinos .
They wore the usual work office apparel and unless I looked at the equipment of asked them what they were doing , I would NEVER be able to tell that they were working on slots .
Small teams , good camaraderie , good working environment , and no impossible deadlines .
Hell , just tell the next recruiter that you were working on random number generators !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> At HP, I would repair the equipment folks would be writing to the firmware and software to gambling machines in Rhode Island.
This was in a corporate park far away from any casinos.
They wore the usual work office apparel and unless I looked at the equipment of asked them what they were doing, I would NEVER be able to tell that they were working on slots.
Small teams, good camaraderie, good working environment, and no impossible deadlines.
Hell, just tell the next recruiter that you were working on random number generators!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732053</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1255449540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it depends.</p><p>As others have said, if it's shady like one of those offshore Internet gambling companies or anything not quite legal - yeah it'll be a black mark.</p><p>If it's connected with the big Las Vegas casinos, or other casinos that are fully legal and HEAVILY regulated, you not only should be fine, but knowing the reputation such institutions have for security, it is likely going to be a significant positive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it depends.As others have said , if it 's shady like one of those offshore Internet gambling companies or anything not quite legal - yeah it 'll be a black mark.If it 's connected with the big Las Vegas casinos , or other casinos that are fully legal and HEAVILY regulated , you not only should be fine , but knowing the reputation such institutions have for security , it is likely going to be a significant positive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it depends.As others have said, if it's shady like one of those offshore Internet gambling companies or anything not quite legal - yeah it'll be a black mark.If it's connected with the big Las Vegas casinos, or other casinos that are fully legal and HEAVILY regulated, you not only should be fine, but knowing the reputation such institutions have for security, it is likely going to be a significant positive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731875</id>
	<title>Think about</title>
	<author>aunt edna</author>
	<datestamp>1255448880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the company you'd be keeping.<br>I think that, generally, the ethos in a firm is passed down by its founders. Witness, for instance, the large accountancy firms (came to the fore via their 19th century predations.)</p><p>Give them a miss, I vote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the company you 'd be keeping.I think that , generally , the ethos in a firm is passed down by its founders .
Witness , for instance , the large accountancy firms ( came to the fore via their 19th century predations .
) Give them a miss , I vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the company you'd be keeping.I think that, generally, the ethos in a firm is passed down by its founders.
Witness, for instance, the large accountancy firms (came to the fore via their 19th century predations.
)Give them a miss, I vote.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729027</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, what?</title>
	<author>Ash Vince</author>
	<datestamp>1255376220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good. In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage.</p></div><p>This is actually very relevant to the original posters question. One of my friends recently went back to work in the gambling industry at a company he had worked for previously. Even though he had several years prior experience at the same company he still had to go through a mountain of security check including contacting all the employers he had worked for in the interim since he left the first place. Working at a company that runs a high value website involving large amounts of money is only going to help your CV in the UK. In the states you might have to be a bit more vague, but until he gets there this job will be damn good on his CV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good .
In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage.This is actually very relevant to the original posters question .
One of my friends recently went back to work in the gambling industry at a company he had worked for previously .
Even though he had several years prior experience at the same company he still had to go through a mountain of security check including contacting all the employers he had worked for in the interim since he left the first place .
Working at a company that runs a high value website involving large amounts of money is only going to help your CV in the UK .
In the states you might have to be a bit more vague , but until he gets there this job will be damn good on his CV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generally the amount of damage a new hire can do is much more than the amount of good.
In most companies an intelligent employee can find ways to steal millions from the company or at least cause that much damage.This is actually very relevant to the original posters question.
One of my friends recently went back to work in the gambling industry at a company he had worked for previously.
Even though he had several years prior experience at the same company he still had to go through a mountain of security check including contacting all the employers he had worked for in the interim since he left the first place.
Working at a company that runs a high value website involving large amounts of money is only going to help your CV in the UK.
In the states you might have to be a bit more vague, but until he gets there this job will be damn good on his CV.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728023</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, what?</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1255363740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really the number of people who would see working for a gambling industry as your job as a black mark. Is probably the same as the people who saw that you worked for a consulting firm, or a bank, or even a Not-for-profit as a black mark.</p><p>Gambling you will be a black mark for either Religious conservatives or ultra liberal don't let people do stupid things groups.<br>Consulting means you are a union buster so the left wing pro Union people see you as a threat.<br>Bank well right now banks are evil why didn't you software tell those people that these mortgages will fail.  And why didn't it play a siren when it did.<br>Not-for-profit you must be one of them long hair hippies who must have no idea how real business works.</p><p>I know a lot of people who worked for a lot of distasteful companies. Why? they needed the money and the distasteful companies tend to pay better.  Most do offer some good or service that actually helps the general population even though there may be side effects that don't</p><p>With the exception of Google most companies what skilled people to do the work they don't care for their political standing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really the number of people who would see working for a gambling industry as your job as a black mark .
Is probably the same as the people who saw that you worked for a consulting firm , or a bank , or even a Not-for-profit as a black mark.Gambling you will be a black mark for either Religious conservatives or ultra liberal do n't let people do stupid things groups.Consulting means you are a union buster so the left wing pro Union people see you as a threat.Bank well right now banks are evil why did n't you software tell those people that these mortgages will fail .
And why did n't it play a siren when it did.Not-for-profit you must be one of them long hair hippies who must have no idea how real business works.I know a lot of people who worked for a lot of distasteful companies .
Why ? they needed the money and the distasteful companies tend to pay better .
Most do offer some good or service that actually helps the general population even though there may be side effects that don'tWith the exception of Google most companies what skilled people to do the work they do n't care for their political standing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really the number of people who would see working for a gambling industry as your job as a black mark.
Is probably the same as the people who saw that you worked for a consulting firm, or a bank, or even a Not-for-profit as a black mark.Gambling you will be a black mark for either Religious conservatives or ultra liberal don't let people do stupid things groups.Consulting means you are a union buster so the left wing pro Union people see you as a threat.Bank well right now banks are evil why didn't you software tell those people that these mortgages will fail.
And why didn't it play a siren when it did.Not-for-profit you must be one of them long hair hippies who must have no idea how real business works.I know a lot of people who worked for a lot of distasteful companies.
Why? they needed the money and the distasteful companies tend to pay better.
Most do offer some good or service that actually helps the general population even though there may be side effects that don'tWith the exception of Google most companies what skilled people to do the work they don't care for their political standing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29776873</id>
	<title>NOW U Will Sell 09 Newest Sell Armani sweater   ma</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255787640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
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&nbsp; 1)free shipping<br>
&nbsp; 2)competitive price<br>
&nbsp; 3)any size available<br>
&nbsp; 4)accept the paypal</p><p>
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<tokenext>      Http : //www.tntshoes.com bis the wholesale for many kinds of fashion shoes , like the nike,jordan,prama,adidas , also including the jeans,shirts,bags,hat and the decorations .
All the products are free shipping , and the the price is competitive , and also can accept the paypal payment.,after the payment , can ship within short time .
  1 ) free shipping   2 ) competitive price   3 ) any size available   4 ) accept the paypal     OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                   Http : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
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      Http://www.tntshoes.com bis the wholesale for many kinds of fashion shoes, like the nike,jordan,prama,adidas, also including the jeans,shirts,bags,hat and the decorations.
All the products are free shipping, and the the price is competitive, and also can accept the paypal payment.,after the payment, can ship within short time.
  1)free shipping
  2)competitive price
  3)any size available
  4)accept the paypal
    OUR WEBSITE:
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
                                                                  Http://www.tntshoes.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727339</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1255358400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to disagree. I had an employer that was outwardly a bible-thumper but was as crooked as the day is long.</p><p><i>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.<br>Reply to This</i></p><p>And are we to assume that you've never encountered a left wing, dogmatic, Clinton/Obama groupie wannabe?</p><p>Dogmatic people are a pain in the ass no matter what side they come down on.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to disagree .
I had an employer that was outwardly a bible-thumper but was as crooked as the day is long.Personally , if a right wing , dogmatic , Bible-thumping company owner did n't want to hire me I 'd consider that a badge of honor.Reply to ThisAnd are we to assume that you 've never encountered a left wing , dogmatic , Clinton/Obama groupie wannabe ? Dogmatic people are a pain in the ass no matter what side they come down on.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to disagree.
I had an employer that was outwardly a bible-thumper but was as crooked as the day is long.Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.Reply to ThisAnd are we to assume that you've never encountered a left wing, dogmatic, Clinton/Obama groupie wannabe?Dogmatic people are a pain in the ass no matter what side they come down on.LK</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725717</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726139</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255350720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guido came asking about you, says he doesn't appreciate you disrespecting him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guido came asking about you , says he does n't appreciate you disrespecting him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guido came asking about you, says he doesn't appreciate you disrespecting him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730031</id>
	<title>Re:Uh, what?</title>
	<author>st0nes</author>
	<datestamp>1255434540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for</p></div></blockquote><p>

Precisely.  I started off working in the horse-racing racing industry, then a lottery and scratch card operator, then cellphone networks and retailers, now I'm with a major drug dealer.  The drug dealer gave me a hairy eyeball over the cellphone networks, not the gambling outfits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for Precisely .
I started off working in the horse-racing racing industry , then a lottery and scratch card operator , then cellphone networks and retailers , now I 'm with a major drug dealer .
The drug dealer gave me a hairy eyeball over the cellphone networks , not the gambling outfits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for

Precisely.
I started off working in the horse-racing racing industry, then a lottery and scratch card operator, then cellphone networks and retailers, now I'm with a major drug dealer.
The drug dealer gave me a hairy eyeball over the cellphone networks, not the gambling outfits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726125</id>
	<title>Exactly like working for a Bank</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255350600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well with the CDO amd other 'Financial Engineering' what is the difference</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well with the CDO amd other 'Financial Engineering ' what is the difference</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well with the CDO amd other 'Financial Engineering' what is the difference</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725871</id>
	<title>I never noticed any stigma attached.</title>
	<author>Psyko</author>
	<datestamp>1255349220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having spent close to 10 years working in Gaming Systems (back end accounting, marketing &amp; reporting systems, real time concurrent data collection for 4-5k+ nodes), I don't think there's really a stigma attached at least here in the us. I've never worked at casino property directly though, staying more with the companies that provide them software/hardware.</p><p>I've worked as an FTE and as a contractor for a couple of the larger international players in the space and I think overall it was good experience, casino marketing can be a moral issue for you as you're essentially trying to get people to give you their money praying on their hopes that they can get something for nothing, but that's how all gambling works.</p><p>I've since moved out of that industry, from there to direct marketing &amp; data mining/warehousing from there into ecommerce focused, and now onto commercial services (printing, transaction management etc).</p><p>I saw a couple people point out travel, depending on what your specific role is and who you're working for you can pretty much end up anywhere. Just in North America, from Indian gaming, to Riverboat gaming &amp; established "legalized gaming zones (ie. Vegas, AC etc) and state run (Winnipeg/Quebec/Sudbury) you could end up all over the continent, then internationally there's large markets in europe, asia, australia, even south africa.</p><p>I say go for it. You'll learn some things and collect a check, just like any other job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having spent close to 10 years working in Gaming Systems ( back end accounting , marketing &amp; reporting systems , real time concurrent data collection for 4-5k + nodes ) , I do n't think there 's really a stigma attached at least here in the us .
I 've never worked at casino property directly though , staying more with the companies that provide them software/hardware.I 've worked as an FTE and as a contractor for a couple of the larger international players in the space and I think overall it was good experience , casino marketing can be a moral issue for you as you 're essentially trying to get people to give you their money praying on their hopes that they can get something for nothing , but that 's how all gambling works.I 've since moved out of that industry , from there to direct marketing &amp; data mining/warehousing from there into ecommerce focused , and now onto commercial services ( printing , transaction management etc ) .I saw a couple people point out travel , depending on what your specific role is and who you 're working for you can pretty much end up anywhere .
Just in North America , from Indian gaming , to Riverboat gaming &amp; established " legalized gaming zones ( ie .
Vegas , AC etc ) and state run ( Winnipeg/Quebec/Sudbury ) you could end up all over the continent , then internationally there 's large markets in europe , asia , australia , even south africa.I say go for it .
You 'll learn some things and collect a check , just like any other job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having spent close to 10 years working in Gaming Systems (back end accounting, marketing &amp; reporting systems, real time concurrent data collection for 4-5k+ nodes), I don't think there's really a stigma attached at least here in the us.
I've never worked at casino property directly though, staying more with the companies that provide them software/hardware.I've worked as an FTE and as a contractor for a couple of the larger international players in the space and I think overall it was good experience, casino marketing can be a moral issue for you as you're essentially trying to get people to give you their money praying on their hopes that they can get something for nothing, but that's how all gambling works.I've since moved out of that industry, from there to direct marketing &amp; data mining/warehousing from there into ecommerce focused, and now onto commercial services (printing, transaction management etc).I saw a couple people point out travel, depending on what your specific role is and who you're working for you can pretty much end up anywhere.
Just in North America, from Indian gaming, to Riverboat gaming &amp; established "legalized gaming zones (ie.
Vegas, AC etc) and state run (Winnipeg/Quebec/Sudbury) you could end up all over the continent, then internationally there's large markets in europe, asia, australia, even south africa.I say go for it.
You'll learn some things and collect a check, just like any other job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726273</id>
	<title>The gambling industry is huge</title>
	<author>josmith42</author>
	<datestamp>1255351320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
You shouldn't have a problem getting another job outside the gambling industry.  However, even if you did,  the gambling industry is HUGE.  From the experience you get at this job, your knowledge of the industry will make you attractive to future employers.

</p><p>
Also, if you don't have a problem working in the gambling industry, you probably don't want to work for any future employer who does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should n't have a problem getting another job outside the gambling industry .
However , even if you did , the gambling industry is HUGE .
From the experience you get at this job , your knowledge of the industry will make you attractive to future employers .
Also , if you do n't have a problem working in the gambling industry , you probably do n't want to work for any future employer who does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You shouldn't have a problem getting another job outside the gambling industry.
However, even if you did,  the gambling industry is HUGE.
From the experience you get at this job, your knowledge of the industry will make you attractive to future employers.
Also, if you don't have a problem working in the gambling industry, you probably don't want to work for any future employer who does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728291</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1255366440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Posting to undo mis-moderation... we really need a way to correct/undo a mod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting to undo mis-moderation... we really need a way to correct/undo a mod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting to undo mis-moderation... we really need a way to correct/undo a mod.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728509</id>
	<title>Black Mark on your SOUL</title>
	<author>RileyBryan</author>
	<datestamp>1255368540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked in the gaming industry for two years and found that feeling partially responsible for completely fucking people over and selling false hope and abusing peoples addictive personalities left me feeling like a true piece of shit. There are great opportunities to to learn and grow in this industry, but if you want your life's work to be more than the abuse of human nature for profit then go somewhere else- thats what I did, and it was my best career move yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked in the gaming industry for two years and found that feeling partially responsible for completely fucking people over and selling false hope and abusing peoples addictive personalities left me feeling like a true piece of shit .
There are great opportunities to to learn and grow in this industry , but if you want your life 's work to be more than the abuse of human nature for profit then go somewhere else- thats what I did , and it was my best career move yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked in the gaming industry for two years and found that feeling partially responsible for completely fucking people over and selling false hope and abusing peoples addictive personalities left me feeling like a true piece of shit.
There are great opportunities to to learn and grow in this industry, but if you want your life's work to be more than the abuse of human nature for profit then go somewhere else- thats what I did, and it was my best career move yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725837</id>
	<title>Don't Worry too much about it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255349040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>As somebody who DID work as a systems administrator for a publicly traded, Canadian based company that supplies software to the online gambling industry I can say that unless you're an executive it will have no bearing on your future employment any more than working for an 'evil' defence contractor or such will.  Sure, you'd have a hard time getting a job at amnesty international after working for BEA, but the experience you'll get will open more doors elsewhere.  The company had far more trouble hiring people who were willing to work for the company, in fact.  Though in Canada 'online gambling' had a much more negative connotation than it does in England, where betting shops are everywhere.

<br> <br>The experience I got was very worthwhile.  I got to travel to interesting locations to setup the servers.  Places like Curacao in the Caribbean, Malta, Ireland, the netherlands (we did work for the government casinos there, in fact), etc.  I started out in a very jr position, but moved up extremely quickly because I was capable and they had a hard time finding good people who were willing to work for them.  This gave me Sr-level quality within 2 years.  I've since moved on, but I would do it again in a second.  It's not been a black mark on me at all and people are usually curious about it.  Because of complex legal and national regulations, the accountants also were in a similar position.  They had a lot of trouble getting quality accountants, so they had to get more Jr. ones who moved up fast.

<br> <br>The executives had far more trouble after leaving, though they also ran the company rather poorly.  In fact I'd say that the worst part was having to work with/for some people that I would consider less than high caliber.  Because of this, I became the go-to guy to fix poor decisions made from incompetence at the CTO and director level.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As somebody who DID work as a systems administrator for a publicly traded , Canadian based company that supplies software to the online gambling industry I can say that unless you 're an executive it will have no bearing on your future employment any more than working for an 'evil ' defence contractor or such will .
Sure , you 'd have a hard time getting a job at amnesty international after working for BEA , but the experience you 'll get will open more doors elsewhere .
The company had far more trouble hiring people who were willing to work for the company , in fact .
Though in Canada 'online gambling ' had a much more negative connotation than it does in England , where betting shops are everywhere .
The experience I got was very worthwhile .
I got to travel to interesting locations to setup the servers .
Places like Curacao in the Caribbean , Malta , Ireland , the netherlands ( we did work for the government casinos there , in fact ) , etc .
I started out in a very jr position , but moved up extremely quickly because I was capable and they had a hard time finding good people who were willing to work for them .
This gave me Sr-level quality within 2 years .
I 've since moved on , but I would do it again in a second .
It 's not been a black mark on me at all and people are usually curious about it .
Because of complex legal and national regulations , the accountants also were in a similar position .
They had a lot of trouble getting quality accountants , so they had to get more Jr. ones who moved up fast .
The executives had far more trouble after leaving , though they also ran the company rather poorly .
In fact I 'd say that the worst part was having to work with/for some people that I would consider less than high caliber .
Because of this , I became the go-to guy to fix poor decisions made from incompetence at the CTO and director level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As somebody who DID work as a systems administrator for a publicly traded, Canadian based company that supplies software to the online gambling industry I can say that unless you're an executive it will have no bearing on your future employment any more than working for an 'evil' defence contractor or such will.
Sure, you'd have a hard time getting a job at amnesty international after working for BEA, but the experience you'll get will open more doors elsewhere.
The company had far more trouble hiring people who were willing to work for the company, in fact.
Though in Canada 'online gambling' had a much more negative connotation than it does in England, where betting shops are everywhere.
The experience I got was very worthwhile.
I got to travel to interesting locations to setup the servers.
Places like Curacao in the Caribbean, Malta, Ireland, the netherlands (we did work for the government casinos there, in fact), etc.
I started out in a very jr position, but moved up extremely quickly because I was capable and they had a hard time finding good people who were willing to work for them.
This gave me Sr-level quality within 2 years.
I've since moved on, but I would do it again in a second.
It's not been a black mark on me at all and people are usually curious about it.
Because of complex legal and national regulations, the accountants also were in a similar position.
They had a lot of trouble getting quality accountants, so they had to get more Jr. ones who moved up fast.
The executives had far more trouble after leaving, though they also ran the company rather poorly.
In fact I'd say that the worst part was having to work with/for some people that I would consider less than high caliber.
Because of this, I became the go-to guy to fix poor decisions made from incompetence at the CTO and director level.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732663</id>
	<title>I work in gaming</title>
	<author>Kevria</author>
	<datestamp>1255452360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know plenty of ex-coworkers who transitioned from writing software for the gaming industry into other industries.  It has never been a black mark that I have been able to detect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know plenty of ex-coworkers who transitioned from writing software for the gaming industry into other industries .
It has never been a black mark that I have been able to detect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know plenty of ex-coworkers who transitioned from writing software for the gaming industry into other industries.
It has never been a black mark that I have been able to detect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725915</id>
	<title>What you *do* or where you do it</title>
	<author>yurtinus</author>
	<datestamp>1255349520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While different companies may look differently on resumes, gambling related jobs aren't really respected any more or less than any other profession. IGT is based in my town, and nobody cares as much about the name of the company as the experience there -- actually the software guys I know at IGT are well enough respected among their peers. Experience in IT is still experience in IT. Embedded programming is the same for a slot machine as it is for a kiosk or microwave oven (though with *much* more process and regulation).
<br> <br>
You may run into biased recruiters who object to you working at a gaming company, but there are biases against damn near every industry out there (webmaster selling alcohol, system engineer building cigarette rolling machines, etcetc). All in all, it's better to get *some* experience in a potentially objectionable industry than none at all. If you're working with gaming machines you'll come out with good embedded systems knowledge. For a gaming website (or pretty much any IT related gaming job) you'll get a pretty decent security background (or so I imagine). Most important for any of these however is you'll get experience dealing with a regulated industry which will have its own processes and assorted red tape. This can be great if you move to other regulated industries down the road (banking, defense).
<br> <br>
Nobody can say for certain that *any* job won't effect you later on. There are pitfalls in any industry, shady companies and fly by night operations are everywhere. Be smart and do some research into the company that is hiring you regardless of what they build. If it's not something you object to, you are probably OK. Most folks don't consider gambling something especially terrible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While different companies may look differently on resumes , gambling related jobs are n't really respected any more or less than any other profession .
IGT is based in my town , and nobody cares as much about the name of the company as the experience there -- actually the software guys I know at IGT are well enough respected among their peers .
Experience in IT is still experience in IT .
Embedded programming is the same for a slot machine as it is for a kiosk or microwave oven ( though with * much * more process and regulation ) .
You may run into biased recruiters who object to you working at a gaming company , but there are biases against damn near every industry out there ( webmaster selling alcohol , system engineer building cigarette rolling machines , etcetc ) .
All in all , it 's better to get * some * experience in a potentially objectionable industry than none at all .
If you 're working with gaming machines you 'll come out with good embedded systems knowledge .
For a gaming website ( or pretty much any IT related gaming job ) you 'll get a pretty decent security background ( or so I imagine ) .
Most important for any of these however is you 'll get experience dealing with a regulated industry which will have its own processes and assorted red tape .
This can be great if you move to other regulated industries down the road ( banking , defense ) .
Nobody can say for certain that * any * job wo n't effect you later on .
There are pitfalls in any industry , shady companies and fly by night operations are everywhere .
Be smart and do some research into the company that is hiring you regardless of what they build .
If it 's not something you object to , you are probably OK. Most folks do n't consider gambling something especially terrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While different companies may look differently on resumes, gambling related jobs aren't really respected any more or less than any other profession.
IGT is based in my town, and nobody cares as much about the name of the company as the experience there -- actually the software guys I know at IGT are well enough respected among their peers.
Experience in IT is still experience in IT.
Embedded programming is the same for a slot machine as it is for a kiosk or microwave oven (though with *much* more process and regulation).
You may run into biased recruiters who object to you working at a gaming company, but there are biases against damn near every industry out there (webmaster selling alcohol, system engineer building cigarette rolling machines, etcetc).
All in all, it's better to get *some* experience in a potentially objectionable industry than none at all.
If you're working with gaming machines you'll come out with good embedded systems knowledge.
For a gaming website (or pretty much any IT related gaming job) you'll get a pretty decent security background (or so I imagine).
Most important for any of these however is you'll get experience dealing with a regulated industry which will have its own processes and assorted red tape.
This can be great if you move to other regulated industries down the road (banking, defense).
Nobody can say for certain that *any* job won't effect you later on.
There are pitfalls in any industry, shady companies and fly by night operations are everywhere.
Be smart and do some research into the company that is hiring you regardless of what they build.
If it's not something you object to, you are probably OK. Most folks don't consider gambling something especially terrible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730709</id>
	<title>Gambling to Intel</title>
	<author>gryf</author>
	<datestamp>1255442220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never worked for a company involved for gambling, but my father did. After many years working for a company that did security related work for slot machines, my father then moved to Intel. Largely to reduce time spent traveling IIRC. There should be no reason to be concerned. As mentioned elsewhere, the gambling industry has a high customer standard for security so it's more like a positive point to have experience there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never worked for a company involved for gambling , but my father did .
After many years working for a company that did security related work for slot machines , my father then moved to Intel .
Largely to reduce time spent traveling IIRC .
There should be no reason to be concerned .
As mentioned elsewhere , the gambling industry has a high customer standard for security so it 's more like a positive point to have experience there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never worked for a company involved for gambling, but my father did.
After many years working for a company that did security related work for slot machines, my father then moved to Intel.
Largely to reduce time spent traveling IIRC.
There should be no reason to be concerned.
As mentioned elsewhere, the gambling industry has a high customer standard for security so it's more like a positive point to have experience there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726799</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255354320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.</p></div></blockquote><p>Around here, I'd consider it an opportunity to collect unemployment again.  A few years ago I had one job offer rescinded when someone remembered seeing me on TV talking about gay rights issues.  A couple months ago I got a job at a place where God is in item 1 of the company's 4-part mission statement, and every formal staff meeting opens with a prayer or an inspirational Bible verse.  I won't close my eyes, but I've decided that it's a good idea to bow my head when everyone else does, so they see me raising it again as they open their eyes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , if a right wing , dogmatic , Bible-thumping company owner did n't want to hire me I 'd consider that a badge of honor.Around here , I 'd consider it an opportunity to collect unemployment again .
A few years ago I had one job offer rescinded when someone remembered seeing me on TV talking about gay rights issues .
A couple months ago I got a job at a place where God is in item 1 of the company 's 4-part mission statement , and every formal staff meeting opens with a prayer or an inspirational Bible verse .
I wo n't close my eyes , but I 've decided that it 's a good idea to bow my head when everyone else does , so they see me raising it again as they open their eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.Around here, I'd consider it an opportunity to collect unemployment again.
A few years ago I had one job offer rescinded when someone remembered seeing me on TV talking about gay rights issues.
A couple months ago I got a job at a place where God is in item 1 of the company's 4-part mission statement, and every formal staff meeting opens with a prayer or an inspirational Bible verse.
I won't close my eyes, but I've decided that it's a good idea to bow my head when everyone else does, so they see me raising it again as they open their eyes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725939</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>dasherjan</author>
	<datestamp>1255349580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that the reason a lot of people consider it a black mark is because of the mob connection to it from the "old" days. For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime. When some potential employers (granted the older ones mostly) see that you worked for the gaming industry. They wonder if you are really trustworthy. Though I think today the corporations are starting to change that perception some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that the reason a lot of people consider it a black mark is because of the mob connection to it from the " old " days .
For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime .
When some potential employers ( granted the older ones mostly ) see that you worked for the gaming industry .
They wonder if you are really trustworthy .
Though I think today the corporations are starting to change that perception some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that the reason a lot of people consider it a black mark is because of the mob connection to it from the "old" days.
For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime.
When some potential employers (granted the older ones mostly) see that you worked for the gaming industry.
They wonder if you are really trustworthy.
Though I think today the corporations are starting to change that perception some.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730219</id>
	<title>It's all in how you put it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255437060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may work in the gambling industry, but you write down Broad-spectre Public Risk Management on your resume, dummy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may work in the gambling industry , but you write down Broad-spectre Public Risk Management on your resume , dummy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may work in the gambling industry, but you write down Broad-spectre Public Risk Management on your resume, dummy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726877</id>
	<title>CybScryb</title>
	<author>cybscryb</author>
	<datestamp>1255354800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who lives in Las Vegas and spent the obligatory tour of duty in a casino upon moving here, the only problem might be that a casino generally will only acknowledge your employment and dates of employment.  Other than that, you need to collect letters of commendation and recommendation and keep your personal files and you'll be just fine.

Although I will say that the stress level is less and life is more enjoyable and healthy out of the gaming industry.  Less smoke now that I'm working for UNLV and better hours overall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who lives in Las Vegas and spent the obligatory tour of duty in a casino upon moving here , the only problem might be that a casino generally will only acknowledge your employment and dates of employment .
Other than that , you need to collect letters of commendation and recommendation and keep your personal files and you 'll be just fine .
Although I will say that the stress level is less and life is more enjoyable and healthy out of the gaming industry .
Less smoke now that I 'm working for UNLV and better hours overall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who lives in Las Vegas and spent the obligatory tour of duty in a casino upon moving here, the only problem might be that a casino generally will only acknowledge your employment and dates of employment.
Other than that, you need to collect letters of commendation and recommendation and keep your personal files and you'll be just fine.
Although I will say that the stress level is less and life is more enjoyable and healthy out of the gaming industry.
Less smoke now that I'm working for UNLV and better hours overall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726027</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1255349940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know, if I got a reference from someone named Guido saying "hire this guy", that's a pretty good reference<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know , if I got a reference from someone named Guido saying " hire this guy " , that 's a pretty good reference : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know, if I got a reference from someone named Guido saying "hire this guy", that's a pretty good reference :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726397</id>
	<title>Anything can be a black mark.</title>
	<author>jrhawk42</author>
	<datestamp>1255352040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sadly w/ some HR people anything can be seen as a black mark.  Even things you can't change like your name.

Something like gambling probably has a higher rate of hitting people's radar due to it's "shady reputation", but you also have to think about yourself.  Would you want to work for a company that wouldn't hire an incompetent worker over one that had worked for a gambling software company?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly w/ some HR people anything can be seen as a black mark .
Even things you ca n't change like your name .
Something like gambling probably has a higher rate of hitting people 's radar due to it 's " shady reputation " , but you also have to think about yourself .
Would you want to work for a company that would n't hire an incompetent worker over one that had worked for a gambling software company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly w/ some HR people anything can be seen as a black mark.
Even things you can't change like your name.
Something like gambling probably has a higher rate of hitting people's radar due to it's "shady reputation", but you also have to think about yourself.
Would you want to work for a company that wouldn't hire an incompetent worker over one that had worked for a gambling software company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725313</id>
	<title>porn?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what about adult websites dev/design/building/hosting.  gambling on the resume can't be worse then porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about adult websites dev/design/building/hosting .
gambling on the resume ca n't be worse then porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about adult websites dev/design/building/hosting.
gambling on the resume can't be worse then porn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728585</id>
	<title>Definitely not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255369560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be more inclined to LIKE the fact you've had experience working in the gaming industry - the metrics and security around the gaming industry gives developers (in many cases, certainly not all) a lot of insight that they would definitely not get from many other industries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be more inclined to LIKE the fact you 've had experience working in the gaming industry - the metrics and security around the gaming industry gives developers ( in many cases , certainly not all ) a lot of insight that they would definitely not get from many other industries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be more inclined to LIKE the fact you've had experience working in the gaming industry - the metrics and security around the gaming industry gives developers (in many cases, certainly not all) a lot of insight that they would definitely not get from many other industries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725507</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>spartacus\_prime</author>
	<datestamp>1255347240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a lovely code you've got there.  It would be a shame if anything...happened to it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a lovely code you 've got there .
It would be a shame if anything...happened to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a lovely code you've got there.
It would be a shame if anything...happened to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727917</id>
	<title>Yes, but not because they are gambling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255362840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked in the gambling industry, and lots of people did recognise the "curse" of working in the industry. It can make it harder to move back into other fields.</p><p>However, this is not simply because it's gambling (hence, immoral, bad, etc...) -- it's because the gambling industry is renowned for lagging behind best practice in software engineering by 1-2 decades...</p><p>I had to work pretty hard to prove my skills were up to date after leaving, and had to take a 30\% pay-cut and drop a rung of seniority to get out...</p><p>Same goes for artists - gambling artists are stereotyped as being stuck in the one style, having no flexibility. They can find it hard to move on as well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked in the gambling industry , and lots of people did recognise the " curse " of working in the industry .
It can make it harder to move back into other fields.However , this is not simply because it 's gambling ( hence , immoral , bad , etc... ) -- it 's because the gambling industry is renowned for lagging behind best practice in software engineering by 1-2 decades...I had to work pretty hard to prove my skills were up to date after leaving , and had to take a 30 \ % pay-cut and drop a rung of seniority to get out...Same goes for artists - gambling artists are stereotyped as being stuck in the one style , having no flexibility .
They can find it hard to move on as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked in the gambling industry, and lots of people did recognise the "curse" of working in the industry.
It can make it harder to move back into other fields.However, this is not simply because it's gambling (hence, immoral, bad, etc...) -- it's because the gambling industry is renowned for lagging behind best practice in software engineering by 1-2 decades...I had to work pretty hard to prove my skills were up to date after leaving, and had to take a 30\% pay-cut and drop a rung of seniority to get out...Same goes for artists - gambling artists are stereotyped as being stuck in the one style, having no flexibility.
They can find it hard to move on as well...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728005</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255363620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> What you really meant to say is corporate PR=B$ public relation firms are trying to changed the image. Gambling ain't gambling when one side of the equation has the odds wildly tilted in the favour, that's just losing for the mug punter. You end up with a black mark because of that inherent deceit and that deceits inevitable draws corrupt exploitative people to it (people that believe in honesty and integrity will generally avoid that whole industry). </p><p> When you profit by the harm caused by an industry and the gambling industry cause a huge amount of harm to the industry, your greed reflects your personal desire for enrichment regardless of the impact on others, so your reputation is tainted, and in competitive situation where your qualifications and experience equals some else's competing for that same position, you will likely lose at the subconscious decision making level. </p><p> For those that are driven by the greed in support of the gambling industry, either equal the odds and you can gamble along with punters or your just a pack of cheats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you really meant to say is corporate PR = B $ public relation firms are trying to changed the image .
Gambling ai n't gambling when one side of the equation has the odds wildly tilted in the favour , that 's just losing for the mug punter .
You end up with a black mark because of that inherent deceit and that deceits inevitable draws corrupt exploitative people to it ( people that believe in honesty and integrity will generally avoid that whole industry ) .
When you profit by the harm caused by an industry and the gambling industry cause a huge amount of harm to the industry , your greed reflects your personal desire for enrichment regardless of the impact on others , so your reputation is tainted , and in competitive situation where your qualifications and experience equals some else 's competing for that same position , you will likely lose at the subconscious decision making level .
For those that are driven by the greed in support of the gambling industry , either equal the odds and you can gamble along with punters or your just a pack of cheats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What you really meant to say is corporate PR=B$ public relation firms are trying to changed the image.
Gambling ain't gambling when one side of the equation has the odds wildly tilted in the favour, that's just losing for the mug punter.
You end up with a black mark because of that inherent deceit and that deceits inevitable draws corrupt exploitative people to it (people that believe in honesty and integrity will generally avoid that whole industry).
When you profit by the harm caused by an industry and the gambling industry cause a huge amount of harm to the industry, your greed reflects your personal desire for enrichment regardless of the impact on others, so your reputation is tainted, and in competitive situation where your qualifications and experience equals some else's competing for that same position, you will likely lose at the subconscious decision making level.
For those that are driven by the greed in support of the gambling industry, either equal the odds and you can gamble along with punters or your just a pack of cheats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725517</id>
	<title>Depends how you put it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's rephrase this.  You are considering working on web-based financial applications in a highly regulated sector.  I'll give you a quick guess at the ratio of people with those skills that are needed vs available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's rephrase this .
You are considering working on web-based financial applications in a highly regulated sector .
I 'll give you a quick guess at the ratio of people with those skills that are needed vs available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's rephrase this.
You are considering working on web-based financial applications in a highly regulated sector.
I'll give you a quick guess at the ratio of people with those skills that are needed vs available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29790855</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>gd23ka</author>
	<datestamp>1255895040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Things people worry about it wouldn't even occur to me that people might potentially take offense if I worked for the gaming industry,<br>maybe implementing Gaming Standards Association standards (learn how backend systems at the casino talk to slot machines)<br>
&nbsp; <a href="http://www.gamingstandards.com/index.php?page=standards/free\_downloads\_standards" title="gamingstandards.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gamingstandards.com/index.php?page=standards/free\_downloads\_standards</a> [gamingstandards.com]</p><p>People might not agree with gambling per se, but the technology that is behind the operations of a casino is top of the line and kick<br>ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Things people worry about it would n't even occur to me that people might potentially take offense if I worked for the gaming industry,maybe implementing Gaming Standards Association standards ( learn how backend systems at the casino talk to slot machines )   http : //www.gamingstandards.com/index.php ? page = standards/free \ _downloads \ _standards [ gamingstandards.com ] People might not agree with gambling per se , but the technology that is behind the operations of a casino is top of the line and kickass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things people worry about it wouldn't even occur to me that people might potentially take offense if I worked for the gaming industry,maybe implementing Gaming Standards Association standards (learn how backend systems at the casino talk to slot machines)
  http://www.gamingstandards.com/index.php?page=standards/free\_downloads\_standards [gamingstandards.com]People might not agree with gambling per se, but the technology that is behind the operations of a casino is top of the line and kickass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726177</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255350840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In today's economy</p></div><p>Everybody who uses that excuse, should be shot on sight.</p><p>- Hey, normally I don't like being raped for money. But in today's economy...<br>- I am a slave and work for $2 an hour. But in today's economy...<br>- But in today's economy you have to accept everything and anything. Be a nice slave. Because... "in today's economy..."</p><p>And the reason we have such a bad economy in the first place, IS that everybody is just playing along in the big fraud game where we are on the paying end.<br>So your solution for losing everything, is to lose even more? Including the last bit of dignity you had left??</p><p>Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a economic crisis!<br>The money did not go *poof*. It went away from you, and in the pockets of others. There's always someone profiting from something like that.<br>Money is worth less, but goods (like gold) aren't.<br>Salaries are lower, compared to the prices of goods, but work is not worth less.<br>The difference goes straight into the pockets of a few. It gets transformed to goods. So the difference grows even bigger.</p><p>But it only works if you use their money. Their money that gets worth less and less compared to work and goods.<br>So worth with goods instead, as much as possible. Don't play their game. You can only lose.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In today 's economyEverybody who uses that excuse , should be shot on sight.- Hey , normally I do n't like being raped for money .
But in today 's economy...- I am a slave and work for $ 2 an hour .
But in today 's economy...- But in today 's economy you have to accept everything and anything .
Be a nice slave .
Because... " in today 's economy... " And the reason we have such a bad economy in the first place , IS that everybody is just playing along in the big fraud game where we are on the paying end.So your solution for losing everything , is to lose even more ?
Including the last bit of dignity you had left ?
? Repeat after me : There is no such thing as a economic crisis ! The money did not go * poof * .
It went away from you , and in the pockets of others .
There 's always someone profiting from something like that.Money is worth less , but goods ( like gold ) are n't.Salaries are lower , compared to the prices of goods , but work is not worth less.The difference goes straight into the pockets of a few .
It gets transformed to goods .
So the difference grows even bigger.But it only works if you use their money .
Their money that gets worth less and less compared to work and goods.So worth with goods instead , as much as possible .
Do n't play their game .
You can only lose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In today's economyEverybody who uses that excuse, should be shot on sight.- Hey, normally I don't like being raped for money.
But in today's economy...- I am a slave and work for $2 an hour.
But in today's economy...- But in today's economy you have to accept everything and anything.
Be a nice slave.
Because... "in today's economy..."And the reason we have such a bad economy in the first place, IS that everybody is just playing along in the big fraud game where we are on the paying end.So your solution for losing everything, is to lose even more?
Including the last bit of dignity you had left?
?Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a economic crisis!The money did not go *poof*.
It went away from you, and in the pockets of others.
There's always someone profiting from something like that.Money is worth less, but goods (like gold) aren't.Salaries are lower, compared to the prices of goods, but work is not worth less.The difference goes straight into the pockets of a few.
It gets transformed to goods.
So the difference grows even bigger.But it only works if you use their money.
Their money that gets worth less and less compared to work and goods.So worth with goods instead, as much as possible.
Don't play their game.
You can only lose.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732819</id>
	<title>Gambling should be fairly respectable ...</title>
	<author>Rambo Tribble</author>
	<datestamp>1255453080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... at least compared to something really questionable, like banking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... at least compared to something really questionable , like banking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... at least compared to something really questionable, like banking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729391</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>TheMCP</author>
	<datestamp>1255424400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moreover, it not only shows those things, but if you had gambling industry experience and good references from it and you came to me and outright said "This demonstrates that I am trustworthy and have experience with high security software handling large dollar volume," I would take you *more* seriously as a job candidate, not less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , it not only shows those things , but if you had gambling industry experience and good references from it and you came to me and outright said " This demonstrates that I am trustworthy and have experience with high security software handling large dollar volume , " I would take you * more * seriously as a job candidate , not less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moreover, it not only shows those things, but if you had gambling industry experience and good references from it and you came to me and outright said "This demonstrates that I am trustworthy and have experience with high security software handling large dollar volume," I would take you *more* seriously as a job candidate, not less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725369</id>
	<title>Yes -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people.  A large chunk of those people do not, whatever slashdot groupthink may sometimes seem to say, deserve it (there is no groupthink, just random bunch of nerds).

You will be earning money from other people's suffering.  Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid , statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people .
A large chunk of those people do not , whatever slashdot groupthink may sometimes seem to say , deserve it ( there is no groupthink , just random bunch of nerds ) .
You will be earning money from other people 's suffering .
Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gambling is about screwing money out of stupid, statistically illiterate and not entirely mentally stable people.
A large chunk of those people do not, whatever slashdot groupthink may sometimes seem to say, deserve it (there is no groupthink, just random bunch of nerds).
You will be earning money from other people's suffering.
Doing it for long or doing it often is not a sign of a person I want on my team.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730919</id>
	<title>...its a great job.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Im in the industry myself and make 3D games for the one and only 3D (opengl) casino on the interwebs.</p><p>Its more fun then making regular games in that way your customers are adults and not a bunch of nagging kiddies and you get to interact with them on a 'normal' basis.</p><p>PS W're hiring too!!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Im in the industry myself and make 3D games for the one and only 3D ( opengl ) casino on the interwebs.Its more fun then making regular games in that way your customers are adults and not a bunch of nagging kiddies and you get to interact with them on a 'normal ' basis.PS W 're hiring too ! ! !
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im in the industry myself and make 3D games for the one and only 3D (opengl) casino on the interwebs.Its more fun then making regular games in that way your customers are adults and not a bunch of nagging kiddies and you get to interact with them on a 'normal' basis.PS W're hiring too!!!
:p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29733807</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1255457640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but the line for those jobs is tens of thousands of applicants long right now.  If he's the type of person debating taking a job in an industry he's unsure about, he probably doesn't stand out enough for that 10\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but the line for those jobs is tens of thousands of applicants long right now .
If he 's the type of person debating taking a job in an industry he 's unsure about , he probably does n't stand out enough for that 10 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but the line for those jobs is tens of thousands of applicants long right now.
If he's the type of person debating taking a job in an industry he's unsure about, he probably doesn't stand out enough for that 10\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29741941</id>
	<title>Why leave the UK?</title>
	<author>rolandw</author>
	<datestamp>1255510920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not worried about recruiting people who may have experience working in the gambling industry - in fact that would probably be a good thing. I'm more worried that you are thinking of leaving the UK. We find it hard to recruit really good juniors in the UK (small firm, not well known but with some great work and based smack in the centre of London) so why do you want to leave? You must be better than most - you already read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not worried about recruiting people who may have experience working in the gambling industry - in fact that would probably be a good thing .
I 'm more worried that you are thinking of leaving the UK .
We find it hard to recruit really good juniors in the UK ( small firm , not well known but with some great work and based smack in the centre of London ) so why do you want to leave ?
You must be better than most - you already read / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not worried about recruiting people who may have experience working in the gambling industry - in fact that would probably be a good thing.
I'm more worried that you are thinking of leaving the UK.
We find it hard to recruit really good juniors in the UK (small firm, not well known but with some great work and based smack in the centre of London) so why do you want to leave?
You must be better than most - you already read /.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725691</id>
	<title>Try this ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255348200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine yourself, some day in the future, working at the company of your dreams.  You're talking with your new colleagues, and one asks you, "So where did you work?"  You tell them: "I worked for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>."  If I felt that the work was honest and that the company wasn't corrupt, I don't see why I would feel ashamed telling them this.  So, in my opinion, you'll probably be fine.</p><p>It would be different, I think, if you had worked at a porn company, but that's just my general feeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine yourself , some day in the future , working at the company of your dreams .
You 're talking with your new colleagues , and one asks you , " So where did you work ?
" You tell them : " I worked for .
" If I felt that the work was honest and that the company was n't corrupt , I do n't see why I would feel ashamed telling them this .
So , in my opinion , you 'll probably be fine.It would be different , I think , if you had worked at a porn company , but that 's just my general feeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine yourself, some day in the future, working at the company of your dreams.
You're talking with your new colleagues, and one asks you, "So where did you work?
"  You tell them: "I worked for .
"  If I felt that the work was honest and that the company wasn't corrupt, I don't see why I would feel ashamed telling them this.
So, in my opinion, you'll probably be fine.It would be different, I think, if you had worked at a porn company, but that's just my general feeling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726937</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1255355160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you think the tech industry holds comdex, defcon, and other IT shows in Las Vegas?</p><p>On the other hand after living in Vegas for many years, I can tell you that the gambling industry does not really think much of IT people as customers.  In Las Vegas the guys that go to comdex (defcon) have a bad rep among the casinos. It seems IT people are flush with cash, cheap, and not willing to gamble much because they know the frigen systems are rigged against them. The biggest strike they have against them is they do not tip well.</p><p>You would likely have less of black mark on your carrier than if you where a waitress in Vegas and then tried to get job in some other part of the U.S.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think the tech industry holds comdex , defcon , and other IT shows in Las Vegas ? On the other hand after living in Vegas for many years , I can tell you that the gambling industry does not really think much of IT people as customers .
In Las Vegas the guys that go to comdex ( defcon ) have a bad rep among the casinos .
It seems IT people are flush with cash , cheap , and not willing to gamble much because they know the frigen systems are rigged against them .
The biggest strike they have against them is they do not tip well.You would likely have less of black mark on your carrier than if you where a waitress in Vegas and then tried to get job in some other part of the U.S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think the tech industry holds comdex, defcon, and other IT shows in Las Vegas?On the other hand after living in Vegas for many years, I can tell you that the gambling industry does not really think much of IT people as customers.
In Las Vegas the guys that go to comdex (defcon) have a bad rep among the casinos.
It seems IT people are flush with cash, cheap, and not willing to gamble much because they know the frigen systems are rigged against them.
The biggest strike they have against them is they do not tip well.You would likely have less of black mark on your carrier than if you where a waitress in Vegas and then tried to get job in some other part of the U.S.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726923</id>
	<title>You have a job offer in this economy?</title>
	<author>PinchDuck</author>
	<datestamp>1255355160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take it. Wondering if a completely legal industry is a "black mark" in some future hiring manager's book is far too much navel gazing. You have to be pragmatic, hire on with this company, and take the opportunity as far as you can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take it .
Wondering if a completely legal industry is a " black mark " in some future hiring manager 's book is far too much navel gazing .
You have to be pragmatic , hire on with this company , and take the opportunity as far as you can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take it.
Wondering if a completely legal industry is a "black mark" in some future hiring manager's book is far too much navel gazing.
You have to be pragmatic, hire on with this company, and take the opportunity as far as you can.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725659</id>
	<title>Take what you can get</title>
	<author>kroby</author>
	<datestamp>1255348080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IGT in Reno Nevada was one of the top recruiters for hardware and software engineers at my university.  There is nothing wrong with working for them, but most graduating students had a bit of a stigma against it just because it was everybody's fallback plan.  That, and working there is like a college reunion when half their employees are from the same school.

I think the bottom line is, if it is the best offer you have then you should take it.  Fresh graduates do not usually have the luxury to pick and choose their first job; you need experience before you can do that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IGT in Reno Nevada was one of the top recruiters for hardware and software engineers at my university .
There is nothing wrong with working for them , but most graduating students had a bit of a stigma against it just because it was everybody 's fallback plan .
That , and working there is like a college reunion when half their employees are from the same school .
I think the bottom line is , if it is the best offer you have then you should take it .
Fresh graduates do not usually have the luxury to pick and choose their first job ; you need experience before you can do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IGT in Reno Nevada was one of the top recruiters for hardware and software engineers at my university.
There is nothing wrong with working for them, but most graduating students had a bit of a stigma against it just because it was everybody's fallback plan.
That, and working there is like a college reunion when half their employees are from the same school.
I think the bottom line is, if it is the best offer you have then you should take it.
Fresh graduates do not usually have the luxury to pick and choose their first job; you need experience before you can do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731343</id>
	<title>I work in Gambling</title>
	<author>John Jamieson</author>
	<datestamp>1255446360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After my schooling my first job was programming full time for a Lottery.  I was there many years and has not caused me any problems, in fact, it is a good niche.</p><p>Since then, I have done contracts in other fields, and no one has EVER mentioned "gambling".</p><p>People tend to develop areas that they work in(due to specialized market skills), and I work now tend to work in Lotteries, Bank Trading systems and Mortgages.  (all rather similar)   So you don't have to worry that you will be locked in the Gaming/Lottery field.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After my schooling my first job was programming full time for a Lottery .
I was there many years and has not caused me any problems , in fact , it is a good niche.Since then , I have done contracts in other fields , and no one has EVER mentioned " gambling " .People tend to develop areas that they work in ( due to specialized market skills ) , and I work now tend to work in Lotteries , Bank Trading systems and Mortgages .
( all rather similar ) So you do n't have to worry that you will be locked in the Gaming/Lottery field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After my schooling my first job was programming full time for a Lottery.
I was there many years and has not caused me any problems, in fact, it is a good niche.Since then, I have done contracts in other fields, and no one has EVER mentioned "gambling".People tend to develop areas that they work in(due to specialized market skills), and I work now tend to work in Lotteries, Bank Trading systems and Mortgages.
(all rather similar)   So you don't have to worry that you will be locked in the Gaming/Lottery field.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726991</id>
	<title>Go For It</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1255355580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> You should be fine as long as the next company you apply to doesn't have a god addict in the HR department.  If that's the case, the company's probably doomed anyway, and you're better off not working there. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should be fine as long as the next company you apply to does n't have a god addict in the HR department .
If that 's the case , the company 's probably doomed anyway , and you 're better off not working there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> You should be fine as long as the next company you apply to doesn't have a god addict in the HR department.
If that's the case, the company's probably doomed anyway, and you're better off not working there. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728567</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255369200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It depends on what industries you work in. I work in security and my history of working within the gambling industry is DEFINITELY considered a black mark. It gets flagged by secuity audits and security clearance organisations as something to followup closely and usually results in annoying and expensive delays while they do more thorough background checks (even though my record is perfectly clean). So yeah it can be a black mark on your career.

Incidently it may be high security in casinos etc, but the online industry is a disgrace with extremely low quality security being almost universal. Hell many of the big ones still use email as a means to send credit card details for verification.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on what industries you work in .
I work in security and my history of working within the gambling industry is DEFINITELY considered a black mark .
It gets flagged by secuity audits and security clearance organisations as something to followup closely and usually results in annoying and expensive delays while they do more thorough background checks ( even though my record is perfectly clean ) .
So yeah it can be a black mark on your career .
Incidently it may be high security in casinos etc , but the online industry is a disgrace with extremely low quality security being almost universal .
Hell many of the big ones still use email as a means to send credit card details for verification .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on what industries you work in.
I work in security and my history of working within the gambling industry is DEFINITELY considered a black mark.
It gets flagged by secuity audits and security clearance organisations as something to followup closely and usually results in annoying and expensive delays while they do more thorough background checks (even though my record is perfectly clean).
So yeah it can be a black mark on your career.
Incidently it may be high security in casinos etc, but the online industry is a disgrace with extremely low quality security being almost universal.
Hell many of the big ones still use email as a means to send credit card details for verification.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731199</id>
	<title>Oh noes! Teh gamblin!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255445400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will we ever stop getting our moral cues from the Victorian era?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will we ever stop getting our moral cues from the Victorian era ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will we ever stop getting our moral cues from the Victorian era?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726389</id>
	<title>Let Me Help Find Out, by Controlled Experiment</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1255351980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Name the company, and I'll see if I can get a job there. Then, after I get a job there, after a while, I will then start to look for another job while still working at this place.   After the results are in, I can then submit my findings to here at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Name the company , and I 'll see if I can get a job there .
Then , after I get a job there , after a while , I will then start to look for another job while still working at this place .
After the results are in , I can then submit my findings to here at /. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Name the company, and I'll see if I can get a job there.
Then, after I get a job there, after a while, I will then start to look for another job while still working at this place.
After the results are in, I can then submit my findings to here at /..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729951</id>
	<title>UK Bookies?</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1255433400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you kidding? Jump at the chance to work for one of the big boys: Ladbrokes, Will Hill, Stan James, Bet365, Paddy Power... the list of players goes on and on.<br><br>There is no stigma. Everyone likes a gamble. Most of us are not addicted to it and only place 50p bets.<br><br>I'd love to work for one of them. The maths alone fascinates me.<br><br>The worse of them all is the government sponsored lottery. Stay away, stay away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding ?
Jump at the chance to work for one of the big boys : Ladbrokes , Will Hill , Stan James , Bet365 , Paddy Power... the list of players goes on and on.There is no stigma .
Everyone likes a gamble .
Most of us are not addicted to it and only place 50p bets.I 'd love to work for one of them .
The maths alone fascinates me.The worse of them all is the government sponsored lottery .
Stay away , stay away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding?
Jump at the chance to work for one of the big boys: Ladbrokes, Will Hill, Stan James, Bet365, Paddy Power... the list of players goes on and on.There is no stigma.
Everyone likes a gamble.
Most of us are not addicted to it and only place 50p bets.I'd love to work for one of them.
The maths alone fascinates me.The worse of them all is the government sponsored lottery.
Stay away, stay away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725307</id>
	<title>Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More of a roll of the dice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More of a roll of the dice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More of a roll of the dice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725467</id>
	<title>Maybe.</title>
	<author>chrb</author>
	<datestamp>1255347000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>British, working in the gambling industry, and possibly wanting to visit the US in the future? Why don't you ask <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/30/betonsports-boss-changes-guilty-plea-in-us" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">David Carruthers</a> [guardian.co.uk], <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news169483275.html" title="physorg.com" rel="nofollow">Gary Kaplan</a> [physorg.com] how that worked out for them?</p><p>(To be fair, they were the guys at the top and I haven't heard of any lower level staff being arrested, but still, I doubt US immigration would look too kindly on it if you ever were to apply for a green card.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>British , working in the gambling industry , and possibly wanting to visit the US in the future ?
Why do n't you ask David Carruthers [ guardian.co.uk ] , Gary Kaplan [ physorg.com ] how that worked out for them ?
( To be fair , they were the guys at the top and I have n't heard of any lower level staff being arrested , but still , I doubt US immigration would look too kindly on it if you ever were to apply for a green card .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>British, working in the gambling industry, and possibly wanting to visit the US in the future?
Why don't you ask David Carruthers [guardian.co.uk], Gary Kaplan [physorg.com] how that worked out for them?
(To be fair, they were the guys at the top and I haven't heard of any lower level staff being arrested, but still, I doubt US immigration would look too kindly on it if you ever were to apply for a green card.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730435</id>
	<title>show me a moral industry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255439820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Show me a moral industry and I'll show you one that isn't pursuing capitalistic virtues.</p><p>I'm a software developer for a company that supplies software for the betting industry.  It is far and away the best job I've ever had.</p><p>I get to work with fascinating technologies (ATL / WTL / C++ / DirectShow / DirectX ) and it's \_great\_ experience if I ever decide I want to move on elsewhere.</p><p>I would estimate that a very large proportion of IT graduates in the UK end up in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET jobs, writing (boring) websites.</p><p>I have also worked for a really \_big\_ "moral" multi-national.  I won't mention who, but they claim they invented the CPU.  That job was on the other hand, the least interesting job I ever had.  It was all VB/SQL/ASP and you weren't allowed to use techologies that weren't "approved" by the powers that be, the idea being that its cheaper to replace programmers if they all write in VB.</p><p>My experience of coding in the UK has led me to conclude - go for the startups as they have the best pay, the best technologies and the best people to work with.  And forget about your morals, you're a capitalist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Show me a moral industry and I 'll show you one that is n't pursuing capitalistic virtues.I 'm a software developer for a company that supplies software for the betting industry .
It is far and away the best job I 've ever had.I get to work with fascinating technologies ( ATL / WTL / C + + / DirectShow / DirectX ) and it 's \ _great \ _ experience if I ever decide I want to move on elsewhere.I would estimate that a very large proportion of IT graduates in the UK end up in .NET jobs , writing ( boring ) websites.I have also worked for a really \ _big \ _ " moral " multi-national .
I wo n't mention who , but they claim they invented the CPU .
That job was on the other hand , the least interesting job I ever had .
It was all VB/SQL/ASP and you were n't allowed to use techologies that were n't " approved " by the powers that be , the idea being that its cheaper to replace programmers if they all write in VB.My experience of coding in the UK has led me to conclude - go for the startups as they have the best pay , the best technologies and the best people to work with .
And forget about your morals , you 're a capitalist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Show me a moral industry and I'll show you one that isn't pursuing capitalistic virtues.I'm a software developer for a company that supplies software for the betting industry.
It is far and away the best job I've ever had.I get to work with fascinating technologies (ATL / WTL / C++ / DirectShow / DirectX ) and it's \_great\_ experience if I ever decide I want to move on elsewhere.I would estimate that a very large proportion of IT graduates in the UK end up in .NET jobs, writing (boring) websites.I have also worked for a really \_big\_ "moral" multi-national.
I won't mention who, but they claim they invented the CPU.
That job was on the other hand, the least interesting job I ever had.
It was all VB/SQL/ASP and you weren't allowed to use techologies that weren't "approved" by the powers that be, the idea being that its cheaper to replace programmers if they all write in VB.My experience of coding in the UK has led me to conclude - go for the startups as they have the best pay, the best technologies and the best people to work with.
And forget about your morals, you're a capitalist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725657</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255348080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As long as none of your references are named Guido, you should be fine.</p></div><p>I guess Python isn't used much in the gambling industry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as none of your references are named Guido , you should be fine.I guess Python is n't used much in the gambling industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as none of your references are named Guido, you should be fine.I guess Python isn't used much in the gambling industry.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728919</id>
	<title>I would hire you</title>
	<author>Samarian Hillbilly</author>
	<datestamp>1255374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why the gambling industry would be a problem. Working for malware/spyware/spam distributors or other gray areas is. I'd probably include porn industry as well because most of those sites serve malware as well.  Working for the games industry looks great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why the gambling industry would be a problem .
Working for malware/spyware/spam distributors or other gray areas is .
I 'd probably include porn industry as well because most of those sites serve malware as well .
Working for the games industry looks great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why the gambling industry would be a problem.
Working for malware/spyware/spam distributors or other gray areas is.
I'd probably include porn industry as well because most of those sites serve malware as well.
Working for the games industry looks great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725317</id>
	<title>Personally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I've never heard of this. But do you really want to gamble with your career?
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/rimshot</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 've never heard of this .
But do you really want to gamble with your career ?
/rimshot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I've never heard of this.
But do you really want to gamble with your career?
/rimshot</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726201</id>
	<title>Heh, Probably Will Get You a Better Job</title>
	<author>techsoldaten</author>
	<datestamp>1255350960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have lived in Las Vegas and become good friends with people in various IT positions in the gambling industry. These people hold jobs ranging from IT infrastructure and security, to developing computerized games, to enforcement and regulation with the Nevada Gaming Commission. I have also lived and worked in Washington DC as an IT contractor, for the government and defense agencies, and have quite a few friends there.

At the risk of starting an East Coast / West Coast debate: if anything, the people working in the gaming industry are smarter, sharper, and more attuned to potential problems with a technology package than their DC counterparts. They are less willing to accept defects in a product, more interested in understanding testing procedures and making sure they make sense, and possess a kind of intensity around getting the most out of whatever platform they are working on.

For example, I know a few people who design video slot machines for Bally's. The hardware for video slots machines is tightly regulated, consisting of a set of components that is probably less powerful than what you have in your mobile phone. All of the software they write is in C, not C++ or C sharp, it is in C. They write their software so that it can be tested and get every bit of performance out of those machines they possibly can. They understand regulations for how to develop games and work within those strictures without complaining. When there is a change, they are implementing them the first day they possibly can.

There is an impossible level of efficiency with these guys and I would hire any of them in a heartbeat.
M</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have lived in Las Vegas and become good friends with people in various IT positions in the gambling industry .
These people hold jobs ranging from IT infrastructure and security , to developing computerized games , to enforcement and regulation with the Nevada Gaming Commission .
I have also lived and worked in Washington DC as an IT contractor , for the government and defense agencies , and have quite a few friends there .
At the risk of starting an East Coast / West Coast debate : if anything , the people working in the gaming industry are smarter , sharper , and more attuned to potential problems with a technology package than their DC counterparts .
They are less willing to accept defects in a product , more interested in understanding testing procedures and making sure they make sense , and possess a kind of intensity around getting the most out of whatever platform they are working on .
For example , I know a few people who design video slot machines for Bally 's .
The hardware for video slots machines is tightly regulated , consisting of a set of components that is probably less powerful than what you have in your mobile phone .
All of the software they write is in C , not C + + or C sharp , it is in C. They write their software so that it can be tested and get every bit of performance out of those machines they possibly can .
They understand regulations for how to develop games and work within those strictures without complaining .
When there is a change , they are implementing them the first day they possibly can .
There is an impossible level of efficiency with these guys and I would hire any of them in a heartbeat .
M</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have lived in Las Vegas and become good friends with people in various IT positions in the gambling industry.
These people hold jobs ranging from IT infrastructure and security, to developing computerized games, to enforcement and regulation with the Nevada Gaming Commission.
I have also lived and worked in Washington DC as an IT contractor, for the government and defense agencies, and have quite a few friends there.
At the risk of starting an East Coast / West Coast debate: if anything, the people working in the gaming industry are smarter, sharper, and more attuned to potential problems with a technology package than their DC counterparts.
They are less willing to accept defects in a product, more interested in understanding testing procedures and making sure they make sense, and possess a kind of intensity around getting the most out of whatever platform they are working on.
For example, I know a few people who design video slot machines for Bally's.
The hardware for video slots machines is tightly regulated, consisting of a set of components that is probably less powerful than what you have in your mobile phone.
All of the software they write is in C, not C++ or C sharp, it is in C. They write their software so that it can be tested and get every bit of performance out of those machines they possibly can.
They understand regulations for how to develop games and work within those strictures without complaining.
When there is a change, they are implementing them the first day they possibly can.
There is an impossible level of efficiency with these guys and I would hire any of them in a heartbeat.
M</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726229</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>glwtta</author>
	<datestamp>1255351080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>You've just described about 90\% of all jobs.</i>
<br> <br>
The advice still applies - that other 10\% does exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've just described about 90 \ % of all jobs .
The advice still applies - that other 10 \ % does exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've just described about 90\% of all jobs.
The advice still applies - that other 10\% does exist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726107</id>
	<title>No!</title>
	<author>Sean</author>
	<datestamp>1255350480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as they are successful and know how to write quality software it is absolutely not a black mark. There is nothing wrong with internet gambling. If you're interested in a career working with large networked applications then gambling is a great place to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they are successful and know how to write quality software it is absolutely not a black mark .
There is nothing wrong with internet gambling .
If you 're interested in a career working with large networked applications then gambling is a great place to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they are successful and know how to write quality software it is absolutely not a black mark.
There is nothing wrong with internet gambling.
If you're interested in a career working with large networked applications then gambling is a great place to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725487</id>
	<title>No.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You will be earning money from other people's suffering</i></p><p>But...do you know what would happen if all the casinos in America closed their doors?  Their clients would open their own gambling clubs.</p><p>People <i>want</i> to gamble.  Its not like the casinos force the people through the door or anything.  The demand for the service (however stupid it may be) is very high.</p><p>In fact, if you try to force people to stop gambling, they just break the law and do it illegally.  They want to gamble <i>that badly</i>.</p><p>So I think you are wrong in blaming the player's desires on those who provide the games.  They are just responding to market forces, like everyone else does.</p><p>I might see why it would be wrong to "push" gambling on to people.  But simply providing a place really isn't evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You will be earning money from other people 's sufferingBut...do you know what would happen if all the casinos in America closed their doors ?
Their clients would open their own gambling clubs.People want to gamble .
Its not like the casinos force the people through the door or anything .
The demand for the service ( however stupid it may be ) is very high.In fact , if you try to force people to stop gambling , they just break the law and do it illegally .
They want to gamble that badly.So I think you are wrong in blaming the player 's desires on those who provide the games .
They are just responding to market forces , like everyone else does.I might see why it would be wrong to " push " gambling on to people .
But simply providing a place really is n't evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You will be earning money from other people's sufferingBut...do you know what would happen if all the casinos in America closed their doors?
Their clients would open their own gambling clubs.People want to gamble.
Its not like the casinos force the people through the door or anything.
The demand for the service (however stupid it may be) is very high.In fact, if you try to force people to stop gambling, they just break the law and do it illegally.
They want to gamble that badly.So I think you are wrong in blaming the player's desires on those who provide the games.
They are just responding to market forces, like everyone else does.I might see why it would be wrong to "push" gambling on to people.
But simply providing a place really isn't evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726293</id>
	<title>jeeezus</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1255351440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So instead of putting YOUR balls on the line, you want to get us to take the blame when you fail. I would guess that the very act of posting this on slashdot disqualifies you from the position, or at least from the intelligent employers short list. You are worried about gambling your future by working for a gambling company. Think about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of putting YOUR balls on the line , you want to get us to take the blame when you fail .
I would guess that the very act of posting this on slashdot disqualifies you from the position , or at least from the intelligent employers short list .
You are worried about gambling your future by working for a gambling company .
Think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of putting YOUR balls on the line, you want to get us to take the blame when you fail.
I would guess that the very act of posting this on slashdot disqualifies you from the position, or at least from the intelligent employers short list.
You are worried about gambling your future by working for a gambling company.
Think about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726249</id>
	<title>Can't speak for the industry in general...</title>
	<author>steppin\_razor\_LA</author>
	<datestamp>1255351200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but it doesn't sound to me like this is something that would be a "black mark".</p><p>While there are plenty of people out there who find gambling distasteful, working for a software engineernig firm that sells software the gambling industry doesn't seem like it would be worth of causing taint.</p><p>BTW, my recollection is that the many of the online gambling companies split up development and operations into separate legal entities (i.e. you might work for a SE firm that sells to the gambling industry, but the reality could be that you only have 1 client or that all clients are owned by the same person).</p><p>Assuming that that is true, I doubt most people are even aware of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but it does n't sound to me like this is something that would be a " black mark " .While there are plenty of people out there who find gambling distasteful , working for a software engineernig firm that sells software the gambling industry does n't seem like it would be worth of causing taint.BTW , my recollection is that the many of the online gambling companies split up development and operations into separate legal entities ( i.e .
you might work for a SE firm that sells to the gambling industry , but the reality could be that you only have 1 client or that all clients are owned by the same person ) .Assuming that that is true , I doubt most people are even aware of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but it doesn't sound to me like this is something that would be a "black mark".While there are plenty of people out there who find gambling distasteful, working for a software engineernig firm that sells software the gambling industry doesn't seem like it would be worth of causing taint.BTW, my recollection is that the many of the online gambling companies split up development and operations into separate legal entities (i.e.
you might work for a SE firm that sells to the gambling industry, but the reality could be that you only have 1 client or that all clients are owned by the same person).Assuming that that is true, I doubt most people are even aware of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727129</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255356660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext> <p>Try doing some research on economics before you speak next time. </p><p>The rich tend to lose the most during recessions, due to most of their wealth being in stocks. That's why it has been shown many times throughout history that the wealth gap shrinks after recessions because stocks lose so much value and many people sell what they had instead of holding it because they are worried about losing ALL of the money in stocks. </p><p>Secondly, as businesses lose money, they lay people off (or go bankrupt) which means less people have jobs and so on. When people stop having money coming in, they can't pay bills. When they can't pay bills (wait for it!) the person they owe money to loses money . That's why we're in this mess - people bought more than they could afford and then started defaulting on bills, due to the defaults companies laid people off, defaults increased  - add to that people then being afraid to spend money due to fear of losing their job, and it spiraled to where we are now (though we are slowly recovering). </p><p>All you did in your post was show a complete ignorance of Economics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try doing some research on economics before you speak next time .
The rich tend to lose the most during recessions , due to most of their wealth being in stocks .
That 's why it has been shown many times throughout history that the wealth gap shrinks after recessions because stocks lose so much value and many people sell what they had instead of holding it because they are worried about losing ALL of the money in stocks .
Secondly , as businesses lose money , they lay people off ( or go bankrupt ) which means less people have jobs and so on .
When people stop having money coming in , they ca n't pay bills .
When they ca n't pay bills ( wait for it !
) the person they owe money to loses money .
That 's why we 're in this mess - people bought more than they could afford and then started defaulting on bills , due to the defaults companies laid people off , defaults increased - add to that people then being afraid to spend money due to fear of losing their job , and it spiraled to where we are now ( though we are slowly recovering ) .
All you did in your post was show a complete ignorance of Economics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Try doing some research on economics before you speak next time.
The rich tend to lose the most during recessions, due to most of their wealth being in stocks.
That's why it has been shown many times throughout history that the wealth gap shrinks after recessions because stocks lose so much value and many people sell what they had instead of holding it because they are worried about losing ALL of the money in stocks.
Secondly, as businesses lose money, they lay people off (or go bankrupt) which means less people have jobs and so on.
When people stop having money coming in, they can't pay bills.
When they can't pay bills (wait for it!
) the person they owe money to loses money .
That's why we're in this mess - people bought more than they could afford and then started defaulting on bills, due to the defaults companies laid people off, defaults increased  - add to that people then being afraid to spend money due to fear of losing their job, and it spiraled to where we are now (though we are slowly recovering).
All you did in your post was show a complete ignorance of Economics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726315</id>
	<title>It could be worse</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1255351560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you could be working for a bank !</p><p>Joke aside, I don't think it would hurt you any. I've been part of the hiring process at one of my ex-employers, and we definitely didn't care where the experience was coming from, as long as it was there.</p><p>Furthermore, if a future prospective employer is idiot/bigoted enough to blacklist people who once worked in the gaming industry, regardless of what they did there... will you really want to work for them anyway ?</p><p>On the other hand, don't get suckered by the flashing lights and bling-bling sounds<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is the actual job any good ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you could be working for a bank ! Joke aside , I do n't think it would hurt you any .
I 've been part of the hiring process at one of my ex-employers , and we definitely did n't care where the experience was coming from , as long as it was there.Furthermore , if a future prospective employer is idiot/bigoted enough to blacklist people who once worked in the gaming industry , regardless of what they did there... will you really want to work for them anyway ? On the other hand , do n't get suckered by the flashing lights and bling-bling sounds ... is the actual job any good ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you could be working for a bank !Joke aside, I don't think it would hurt you any.
I've been part of the hiring process at one of my ex-employers, and we definitely didn't care where the experience was coming from, as long as it was there.Furthermore, if a future prospective employer is idiot/bigoted enough to blacklist people who once worked in the gaming industry, regardless of what they did there... will you really want to work for them anyway ?On the other hand, don't get suckered by the flashing lights and bling-bling sounds ... is the actual job any good ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727093</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255356300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i wish they'd replace dealers with robots. dealers are dicks. when i play blackjack, i always end up with some snooty-ass dealer who looks at me like an idiot any time i get a losing hand. i'm like "hey guy if you're so good at blackjack then why are you dealing?"</p><p>give me video blackjack any day</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i wish they 'd replace dealers with robots .
dealers are dicks .
when i play blackjack , i always end up with some snooty-ass dealer who looks at me like an idiot any time i get a losing hand .
i 'm like " hey guy if you 're so good at blackjack then why are you dealing ?
" give me video blackjack any day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i wish they'd replace dealers with robots.
dealers are dicks.
when i play blackjack, i always end up with some snooty-ass dealer who looks at me like an idiot any time i get a losing hand.
i'm like "hey guy if you're so good at blackjack then why are you dealing?
"give me video blackjack any day</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725427</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732719</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1255452660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>agreed. you'll also end up with advanced knowledge about RNG which is very important for security.<br>I'm with parent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>agreed .
you 'll also end up with advanced knowledge about RNG which is very important for security.I 'm with parent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>agreed.
you'll also end up with advanced knowledge about RNG which is very important for security.I'm with parent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726811</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734169</id>
	<title>Two things</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255459080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) No, it's not a bad mark.</p><p>2) your friends are idiots wouldn't bother to bury in the desert.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) No , it 's not a bad mark.2 ) your friends are idiots would n't bother to bury in the desert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) No, it's not a bad mark.2) your friends are idiots wouldn't bother to bury in the desert.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29855615</id>
	<title>Wholesale Afflictionn T-shirt in Lowest Price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256389080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>www.tntshoes.com</p><p>
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<tokenext>www.tntshoes.com     Professional LEATHER OEM exporter manufactureOver 800 bag workersOver 10 years ' export experiencesOver 20 years'experience in the bag filedHandbags are our specialityOur market is the export marketCustomer service is our top priorityWarmly welcome foreign businessThe exhibition we attend every year1 : Asian Pacific Leather Fair2 : China Import and Export Commodities FairTop quality !
Competitive Price !
Prompt delivery !
( Wholesale lady/fashion/women/brand/leather/designer/handbags/ handbag/bag/bags/wallet/wallets/purses/purse/luggage/shopping bag ( OEM ) )             OUR WEBSITE :                                                             YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                           HTTP : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.tntshoes.com
    Professional  LEATHER OEM  exporter  manufactureOver 800 bag workersOver 10 years' export experiencesOver 20 years'experience in the bag filedHandbags are our specialityOur market is the export marketCustomer service is our top priorityWarmly welcome foreign businessThe exhibition we attend every year1:Asian Pacific Leather Fair2:China Import and Export Commodities  FairTop quality !
Competitive Price !
Prompt delivery !
( Wholesale lady/fashion/women/brand/leather/designer/handbags/ handbag/bag/bags/wallet/wallets/purses/purse/luggage/shopping bag(OEM) )
            OUR WEBSITE:
                                                            YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
                                                                          HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725427</id>
	<title>Big NO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My first job after college was in the gaming industry.  It has NOT been a black mark on my record, in fact, quite the opposite, it led to my next three jobs and was a factor in the fourth and fifth because another programmer from the same company was also contracting there at the time.</p><p>What it did do, though, was set the start of a pattern for me that I've been unable to escape:  1 to 2 year positions at small companies contracting.  I suspect that if you're going to work for Bally Midway or some other such big slot machine company, that wouldn't be a problem- but table gaming software even 10 years after the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com I first worked for is still very much in it's infancy, we're not about to replace dealers with robots and just about tech you put into the pit is going to be somewhat hackable or vulnerable to everything from card counting to spilled alcoholic drinks they insist on comping the players with to keep them playing, so it's kind of a tough business to get into.  I'm glad I escaped.</p><p>Having said that- in this economy a RCG can't pick and choose- you MUST take the first thing that comes along- so go ahead and go for it.  Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US, but it isn't the worst place you could end up living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first job after college was in the gaming industry .
It has NOT been a black mark on my record , in fact , quite the opposite , it led to my next three jobs and was a factor in the fourth and fifth because another programmer from the same company was also contracting there at the time.What it did do , though , was set the start of a pattern for me that I 've been unable to escape : 1 to 2 year positions at small companies contracting .
I suspect that if you 're going to work for Bally Midway or some other such big slot machine company , that would n't be a problem- but table gaming software even 10 years after the .com I first worked for is still very much in it 's infancy , we 're not about to replace dealers with robots and just about tech you put into the pit is going to be somewhat hackable or vulnerable to everything from card counting to spilled alcoholic drinks they insist on comping the players with to keep them playing , so it 's kind of a tough business to get into .
I 'm glad I escaped.Having said that- in this economy a RCG ca n't pick and choose- you MUST take the first thing that comes along- so go ahead and go for it .
Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US , but it is n't the worst place you could end up living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first job after college was in the gaming industry.
It has NOT been a black mark on my record, in fact, quite the opposite, it led to my next three jobs and was a factor in the fourth and fifth because another programmer from the same company was also contracting there at the time.What it did do, though, was set the start of a pattern for me that I've been unable to escape:  1 to 2 year positions at small companies contracting.
I suspect that if you're going to work for Bally Midway or some other such big slot machine company, that wouldn't be a problem- but table gaming software even 10 years after the .com I first worked for is still very much in it's infancy, we're not about to replace dealers with robots and just about tech you put into the pit is going to be somewhat hackable or vulnerable to everything from card counting to spilled alcoholic drinks they insist on comping the players with to keep them playing, so it's kind of a tough business to get into.
I'm glad I escaped.Having said that- in this economy a RCG can't pick and choose- you MUST take the first thing that comes along- so go ahead and go for it.
Vegas may be the suicide capitol of the US, but it isn't the worst place you could end up living.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725323</id>
	<title>Uh, what?</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1255346520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for. If that's software development then that means I'm looking for education, experience, and successfully completed projects. I really can't delve into the minds of HR types so I guess they might hold it against you in the more conservative parts of the country, but they are generally used as a glorified GREP from what I have seen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for .
If that 's software development then that means I 'm looking for education , experience , and successfully completed projects .
I really ca n't delve into the minds of HR types so I guess they might hold it against you in the more conservative parts of the country , but they are generally used as a glorified GREP from what I have seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, as a hiring manager I care if you can do the job I am hiring you for.
If that's software development then that means I'm looking for education, experience, and successfully completed projects.
I really can't delve into the minds of HR types so I guess they might hold it against you in the more conservative parts of the country, but they are generally used as a glorified GREP from what I have seen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726023</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255349940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked as an ME for a slot machine company.  Same as any other job.  It was completely reputable and I never ran into anyone shady.  It was more of a video game development environment then a seedy gambling company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked as an ME for a slot machine company .
Same as any other job .
It was completely reputable and I never ran into anyone shady .
It was more of a video game development environment then a seedy gambling company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked as an ME for a slot machine company.
Same as any other job.
It was completely reputable and I never ran into anyone shady.
It was more of a video game development environment then a seedy gambling company.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727263</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>mhkohne</author>
	<datestamp>1255357740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't conceive of why working in the gambling industry would be a mark against you. It wouldn't make sense. You're either good at writing software or you aren't, it really doesn't matter what industry. The only possible downside is that it's not a large industry, so you probably can't make a lifetime out of working in the same industry. But so what? So far, in the last 17 years, I've worked in the medical equipment field (EEG monitors, blood pressure monitors), industrial non-medical ultrasound (one project in the fish farming industry, one in the lumber industry), the petroleum retail industry (credit card interfaces for gas stations), the cable TV industry (software for video on demand systems), the video test equipment industry (windows device drivers for custom cards) and then back to petroleum retail.</p><p>No one who wants to hire good software people is going to care. No one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't conceive of why working in the gambling industry would be a mark against you .
It would n't make sense .
You 're either good at writing software or you are n't , it really does n't matter what industry .
The only possible downside is that it 's not a large industry , so you probably ca n't make a lifetime out of working in the same industry .
But so what ?
So far , in the last 17 years , I 've worked in the medical equipment field ( EEG monitors , blood pressure monitors ) , industrial non-medical ultrasound ( one project in the fish farming industry , one in the lumber industry ) , the petroleum retail industry ( credit card interfaces for gas stations ) , the cable TV industry ( software for video on demand systems ) , the video test equipment industry ( windows device drivers for custom cards ) and then back to petroleum retail.No one who wants to hire good software people is going to care .
No one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't conceive of why working in the gambling industry would be a mark against you.
It wouldn't make sense.
You're either good at writing software or you aren't, it really doesn't matter what industry.
The only possible downside is that it's not a large industry, so you probably can't make a lifetime out of working in the same industry.
But so what?
So far, in the last 17 years, I've worked in the medical equipment field (EEG monitors, blood pressure monitors), industrial non-medical ultrasound (one project in the fish farming industry, one in the lumber industry), the petroleum retail industry (credit card interfaces for gas stations), the cable TV industry (software for video on demand systems), the video test equipment industry (windows device drivers for custom cards) and then back to petroleum retail.No one who wants to hire good software people is going to care.
No one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725495</id>
	<title>I doubt it would be a problem</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1255347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a manager in an engineering firm (think the pointy-haired boss, but less clueless) - although we don't do software development, we occasionally have the need for code analysts. I think it's highly unlikely that experience with a gambling firm would be disqualifying. If you know your stuff, you should be good to go. Just list the official company name (which probably doesn't scream "we do gambling") on your resume, and focus on the technology you actually use and are familiar with. You should be fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a manager in an engineering firm ( think the pointy-haired boss , but less clueless ) - although we do n't do software development , we occasionally have the need for code analysts .
I think it 's highly unlikely that experience with a gambling firm would be disqualifying .
If you know your stuff , you should be good to go .
Just list the official company name ( which probably does n't scream " we do gambling " ) on your resume , and focus on the technology you actually use and are familiar with .
You should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a manager in an engineering firm (think the pointy-haired boss, but less clueless) - although we don't do software development, we occasionally have the need for code analysts.
I think it's highly unlikely that experience with a gambling firm would be disqualifying.
If you know your stuff, you should be good to go.
Just list the official company name (which probably doesn't scream "we do gambling") on your resume, and focus on the technology you actually use and are familiar with.
You should be fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730361</id>
	<title>No problems in Chile</title>
	<author>BassKnight</author>
	<datestamp>1255438860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A friend of mine worked as a programmer for a company that sells gambling machines with clients in Peru and Austria AFAIK. A few months ago he resigned and went to a non-gambling related company (for a better salary) without problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine worked as a programmer for a company that sells gambling machines with clients in Peru and Austria AFAIK .
A few months ago he resigned and went to a non-gambling related company ( for a better salary ) without problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine worked as a programmer for a company that sells gambling machines with clients in Peru and Austria AFAIK.
A few months ago he resigned and went to a non-gambling related company (for a better salary) without problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729019</id>
	<title>Gambling is an addiction like alcoholism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255376100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Search for "gambling addiction" to see tons of stuff out there explaining what gambling means for weak people and their families.</p><p>If you are a good programmer you can be good at anything and you will surely become something important in your life whatever you do. But do you really want to get involved in the gambling industry?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Search for " gambling addiction " to see tons of stuff out there explaining what gambling means for weak people and their families.If you are a good programmer you can be good at anything and you will surely become something important in your life whatever you do .
But do you really want to get involved in the gambling industry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Search for "gambling addiction" to see tons of stuff out there explaining what gambling means for weak people and their families.If you are a good programmer you can be good at anything and you will surely become something important in your life whatever you do.
But do you really want to get involved in the gambling industry?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730715</id>
	<title>No issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm late on the thread but I worked for 7 years in the gaming industry.  I now work for a U.S. Federal Agency and was sought by them because of the skills I learned at that job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm late on the thread but I worked for 7 years in the gaming industry .
I now work for a U.S. Federal Agency and was sought by them because of the skills I learned at that job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm late on the thread but I worked for 7 years in the gaming industry.
I now work for a U.S. Federal Agency and was sought by them because of the skills I learned at that job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729597</id>
	<title>Gold has lost vaule in real terms.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255427760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When inflation is considered, gold has not kept its value. You would be better off having put your money in a savings account at 3\% pa 30 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When inflation is considered , gold has not kept its value .
You would be better off having put your money in a savings account at 3 \ % pa 30 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When inflation is considered, gold has not kept its value.
You would be better off having put your money in a savings account at 3\% pa 30 years ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727455</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kinds who are hiring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kinds who are hiring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kinds who are hiring.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725353</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29729085</id>
	<title>What will be your difference?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255376940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One person can make a difference. What difference in the world you will be making while working on a gambling company?</p><p>What will be your contribution to a human cause?</p><p>Imagine you are to die in a year or two (it may happen with everyone). What people will say about you? This? "He helped a gambling scam to cheat people big time of their money with his excellent scripts."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One person can make a difference .
What difference in the world you will be making while working on a gambling company ? What will be your contribution to a human cause ? Imagine you are to die in a year or two ( it may happen with everyone ) .
What people will say about you ?
This ? " He helped a gambling scam to cheat people big time of their money with his excellent scripts .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One person can make a difference.
What difference in the world you will be making while working on a gambling company?What will be your contribution to a human cause?Imagine you are to die in a year or two (it may happen with everyone).
What people will say about you?
This? "He helped a gambling scam to cheat people big time of their money with his excellent scripts.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726345</id>
	<title>Re:porn?</title>
	<author>roguetrick</author>
	<datestamp>1255351740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Porn is a hot button topic with many people.  You got one side that hates it for religious and reactionary reasons.  You got another side that hates it for the objectification of the individuals involved, and how it reflects across the population.  You'd hope that someone making hiring decisions would not take stances outside of the ethics of the industry and the norms of the organization, but I doubt that happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Porn is a hot button topic with many people .
You got one side that hates it for religious and reactionary reasons .
You got another side that hates it for the objectification of the individuals involved , and how it reflects across the population .
You 'd hope that someone making hiring decisions would not take stances outside of the ethics of the industry and the norms of the organization , but I doubt that happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Porn is a hot button topic with many people.
You got one side that hates it for religious and reactionary reasons.
You got another side that hates it for the objectification of the individuals involved, and how it reflects across the population.
You'd hope that someone making hiring decisions would not take stances outside of the ethics of the industry and the norms of the organization, but I doubt that happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726811</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>markov23</author>
	<datestamp>1255354320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think there is any black mark -  actually when it comes to writing secure code -- this industry is well ahead of other industries.   I probably hired 70 developers at my last company and I wouldn't hesitate to hire someone from the gambling industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think there is any black mark - actually when it comes to writing secure code -- this industry is well ahead of other industries .
I probably hired 70 developers at my last company and I would n't hesitate to hire someone from the gambling industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think there is any black mark -  actually when it comes to writing secure code -- this industry is well ahead of other industries.
I probably hired 70 developers at my last company and I wouldn't hesitate to hire someone from the gambling industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730887</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255443420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rich might have lost more actual money (or value to be more precise) but thats cause they had more in the first place. So much more that even after losing a larger proportion, they still have more left than the poor do. While the rich might lose their 2nd house or car - the poor cant afford to heat their home that winter.</p><p>Try thinking about how wealth actually works before assuming you lost 'more' mate. The value of money isn't in the numbers.</p><p>Oh and by the way - debtors are the first paid during bankruptcies - they almost always get their cash back due to asset sales and like. The poor schmoes that were fired after 30 years of loyal service, to try and keep the company afloat (the company now being 3 very well off merchant bankers) are the ones that have literally lost everything.</p><p>All your post did was show a total ignorance of reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rich might have lost more actual money ( or value to be more precise ) but thats cause they had more in the first place .
So much more that even after losing a larger proportion , they still have more left than the poor do .
While the rich might lose their 2nd house or car - the poor cant afford to heat their home that winter.Try thinking about how wealth actually works before assuming you lost 'more ' mate .
The value of money is n't in the numbers.Oh and by the way - debtors are the first paid during bankruptcies - they almost always get their cash back due to asset sales and like .
The poor schmoes that were fired after 30 years of loyal service , to try and keep the company afloat ( the company now being 3 very well off merchant bankers ) are the ones that have literally lost everything.All your post did was show a total ignorance of reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rich might have lost more actual money (or value to be more precise) but thats cause they had more in the first place.
So much more that even after losing a larger proportion, they still have more left than the poor do.
While the rich might lose their 2nd house or car - the poor cant afford to heat their home that winter.Try thinking about how wealth actually works before assuming you lost 'more' mate.
The value of money isn't in the numbers.Oh and by the way - debtors are the first paid during bankruptcies - they almost always get their cash back due to asset sales and like.
The poor schmoes that were fired after 30 years of loyal service, to try and keep the company afloat (the company now being 3 very well off merchant bankers) are the ones that have literally lost everything.All your post did was show a total ignorance of reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726413</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255352040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only thing that can be said for the other 10\%, is that they're not all three.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing that can be said for the other 10 \ % , is that they 're not all three .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing that can be said for the other 10\%, is that they're not all three.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725353</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would it be?  I started my software career in porn, and it worked out well for me.  What kind of employer cares what industry you've developed software for in the past?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would it be ?
I started my software career in porn , and it worked out well for me .
What kind of employer cares what industry you 've developed software for in the past ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would it be?
I started my software career in porn, and it worked out well for me.
What kind of employer cares what industry you've developed software for in the past?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727079</id>
	<title>Re:Yes -</title>
	<author>rakslice</author>
	<datestamp>1255356240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what line of work are you in? =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what line of work are you in ?
= )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what line of work are you in?
=)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29742251</id>
	<title>be careful because its an addictive job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255514340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problem is that because online gambling pays so much and there are so many fools in it just taking the big wage you are grouped together with those.<br>Once people get into the online gaming industry its very hard to go back to a normal job where you get low wages and have to be competent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem is that because online gambling pays so much and there are so many fools in it just taking the big wage you are grouped together with those.Once people get into the online gaming industry its very hard to go back to a normal job where you get low wages and have to be competent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem is that because online gambling pays so much and there are so many fools in it just taking the big wage you are grouped together with those.Once people get into the online gaming industry its very hard to go back to a normal job where you get low wages and have to be competent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727489</id>
	<title>Poor stereotype</title>
	<author>mveloso</author>
	<datestamp>1255359420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I've heard from the nuke guys, the nuclear weapons industry is full of the highly religious. They feel that their religion makes them more careful and conscientious about their work, and I'd agree.</p><p>If you believe in that stuff, all of us are doing god's work (whether the g is upper or lower case), and that the extra precision and code tightness that you'd learn in the gambling industry would benefit everyone.</p><p>It's you, not the religious, that has the problem. I'm not very religious myself, but they are for the most part better developers than the non-religious in many ways. They definitely are more open-minded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've heard from the nuke guys , the nuclear weapons industry is full of the highly religious .
They feel that their religion makes them more careful and conscientious about their work , and I 'd agree.If you believe in that stuff , all of us are doing god 's work ( whether the g is upper or lower case ) , and that the extra precision and code tightness that you 'd learn in the gambling industry would benefit everyone.It 's you , not the religious , that has the problem .
I 'm not very religious myself , but they are for the most part better developers than the non-religious in many ways .
They definitely are more open-minded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've heard from the nuke guys, the nuclear weapons industry is full of the highly religious.
They feel that their religion makes them more careful and conscientious about their work, and I'd agree.If you believe in that stuff, all of us are doing god's work (whether the g is upper or lower case), and that the extra precision and code tightness that you'd learn in the gambling industry would benefit everyone.It's you, not the religious, that has the problem.
I'm not very religious myself, but they are for the most part better developers than the non-religious in many ways.
They definitely are more open-minded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29733795</id>
	<title>I moved from the gambling industry to "normal"</title>
	<author>Mike\_EE\_U\_of\_I</author>
	<datestamp>1255457580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done it.  I wrote a bunch of books on horse racing (and still sell selections).  After that, I was offered (and accepted) a position at a top consumer information provider (one of the three companies that provide your credit reports).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The gambling past I had was a HUGE positive.  My books were how they found me, and many people asked about my experiences in the gambling world.  From a career point of view, getting involved in the gambling industry was nothing but a positive, wound up making me much more popular and well known in the little division where I worked, and landed me a higher paying job than I otherwise would have had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done it .
I wrote a bunch of books on horse racing ( and still sell selections ) .
After that , I was offered ( and accepted ) a position at a top consumer information provider ( one of the three companies that provide your credit reports ) .
    The gambling past I had was a HUGE positive .
My books were how they found me , and many people asked about my experiences in the gambling world .
From a career point of view , getting involved in the gambling industry was nothing but a positive , wound up making me much more popular and well known in the little division where I worked , and landed me a higher paying job than I otherwise would have had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done it.
I wrote a bunch of books on horse racing (and still sell selections).
After that, I was offered (and accepted) a position at a top consumer information provider (one of the three companies that provide your credit reports).
    The gambling past I had was a HUGE positive.
My books were how they found me, and many people asked about my experiences in the gambling world.
From a career point of view, getting involved in the gambling industry was nothing but a positive, wound up making me much more popular and well known in the little division where I worked, and landed me a higher paying job than I otherwise would have had.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725711</id>
	<title>great experience</title>
	<author>sohp</author>
	<datestamp>1255348380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days, working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities.  Next stop: WALL STREET!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days , working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities .
Next stop : WALL STREET !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way banks and other financial services companies operate these days, working in gambling would be a GREAT introduction to the world of credit default swaps and mortgage-backed securities.
Next stop: WALL STREET!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29797359</id>
	<title>Been There.  Done That</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1255980000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends.  Does the company have games Nevada/New Jersey licensed?  That's a tier 1 job in the gaming industry.  Steady work.<br>Tier 2 is Indian gaming.  There are a bunch of game companies at this level that aren't the big-three.  Working for these guys can be good but it'll be much more entrepreneurial environment.  Lack of resources, lack of a reputation outside gaming too.</p><p>*Some* gaming industry software is very tough coding.  Most is graphics/compliance/device interface programming.  You probably won't get to the hard stuff for a long time.  But it can be very steady work with interesting problems.</p><p>Finally, the gaming industry is a big silo with three gigantic companies owning most of the industry, not very many links outside and weak generalized brand awareness.  (Oracle vs. IGT) A smart company *outside* of gaming that has the slightest clue would snatch you up in a minute.  But, most HR departments aren't that smart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends .
Does the company have games Nevada/New Jersey licensed ?
That 's a tier 1 job in the gaming industry .
Steady work.Tier 2 is Indian gaming .
There are a bunch of game companies at this level that are n't the big-three .
Working for these guys can be good but it 'll be much more entrepreneurial environment .
Lack of resources , lack of a reputation outside gaming too .
* Some * gaming industry software is very tough coding .
Most is graphics/compliance/device interface programming .
You probably wo n't get to the hard stuff for a long time .
But it can be very steady work with interesting problems.Finally , the gaming industry is a big silo with three gigantic companies owning most of the industry , not very many links outside and weak generalized brand awareness .
( Oracle vs. IGT ) A smart company * outside * of gaming that has the slightest clue would snatch you up in a minute .
But , most HR departments are n't that smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends.
Does the company have games Nevada/New Jersey licensed?
That's a tier 1 job in the gaming industry.
Steady work.Tier 2 is Indian gaming.
There are a bunch of game companies at this level that aren't the big-three.
Working for these guys can be good but it'll be much more entrepreneurial environment.
Lack of resources, lack of a reputation outside gaming too.
*Some* gaming industry software is very tough coding.
Most is graphics/compliance/device interface programming.
You probably won't get to the hard stuff for a long time.
But it can be very steady work with interesting problems.Finally, the gaming industry is a big silo with three gigantic companies owning most of the industry, not very many links outside and weak generalized brand awareness.
(Oracle vs. IGT) A smart company *outside* of gaming that has the slightest clue would snatch you up in a minute.
But, most HR departments aren't that smart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726289</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255351380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a lie. Of course you can pic and choose. But you need a high feeling of self-value, and make them believe in it. Basice sales knowledge.</p><p>And stop using that "in this economy" shit. There is no crisis. There is no problem. It's only in our heads. It only works as long as you play it. So don't play it.<br>There are tons of booming industries. Even if it's just the fraudulent industry of pulling off money from governments and people through creating a "crisis" that does not affect oneself.<br>Someone is always profiting. That one always has big money to spend. And someone always gets that big money.<br>BE. THAT. ONE.</p><p>The rest is sales and working on you connections.</p><p>I have no fear of any "recession" anymore. I see a situation. That situation is neither good nor bad. It just is what it is. I simply make the best out of it. And I fight harder than anyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a lie .
Of course you can pic and choose .
But you need a high feeling of self-value , and make them believe in it .
Basice sales knowledge.And stop using that " in this economy " shit .
There is no crisis .
There is no problem .
It 's only in our heads .
It only works as long as you play it .
So do n't play it.There are tons of booming industries .
Even if it 's just the fraudulent industry of pulling off money from governments and people through creating a " crisis " that does not affect oneself.Someone is always profiting .
That one always has big money to spend .
And someone always gets that big money.BE .
THAT. ONE.The rest is sales and working on you connections.I have no fear of any " recession " anymore .
I see a situation .
That situation is neither good nor bad .
It just is what it is .
I simply make the best out of it .
And I fight harder than anyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a lie.
Of course you can pic and choose.
But you need a high feeling of self-value, and make them believe in it.
Basice sales knowledge.And stop using that "in this economy" shit.
There is no crisis.
There is no problem.
It's only in our heads.
It only works as long as you play it.
So don't play it.There are tons of booming industries.
Even if it's just the fraudulent industry of pulling off money from governments and people through creating a "crisis" that does not affect oneself.Someone is always profiting.
That one always has big money to spend.
And someone always gets that big money.BE.
THAT. ONE.The rest is sales and working on you connections.I have no fear of any "recession" anymore.
I see a situation.
That situation is neither good nor bad.
It just is what it is.
I simply make the best out of it.
And I fight harder than anyone else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730059</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255434900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the US maybe: you lot have a giant fucking stick up your ass about gambling, for some reason. In the EU (the questioner is in the UK) the industry is mature, regulated and respectable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US maybe : you lot have a giant fucking stick up your ass about gambling , for some reason .
In the EU ( the questioner is in the UK ) the industry is mature , regulated and respectable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US maybe: you lot have a giant fucking stick up your ass about gambling, for some reason.
In the EU (the questioner is in the UK) the industry is mature, regulated and respectable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29726183</id>
	<title>Gray market work</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1255350840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  Let me give you some first hand experience about the gray market transition.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Find a company name that is legitimately associated with the company you are working with, yet doesn't scream "GAMBLING".  Use that name for any out-of-industry contacts you have.   For example, if you work for offshore\_gambling.com, but your company does have web\_host\_and\_dev.com, associate yourself with that.  Use the email.  Put that on your resume.  When you step away from the industry, never reference the gray market industry.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Most future employers don't even bother contact old employers.  For the exceptions, it is very useful to ensure that there is (and will be) provisions where someone can verify your employment.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I just lost out on probably the best job possibility that I've ever been presented with.  As part of that job, it required a very in depth background check (yes, the most in depth background check possible).  I didn't get the job because two employers were unavailable to verify my employment history.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; One was a perfectly legitimate mainstream company, who failed to verify anything.  The investigator failed to find the business (strike 1).</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The second was an gray market (adult) company.  Unfortunately, due to the company shutting down operations, none of the old offices were available to verify my employment, and my best guess for a verifier failed. ("sorry, never heard of that company").</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Mainstream or gray market doesn't matter.  It's a matter of the verifiability of your employment, should the need arise later.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Unfortunately for me, I had told anyone that worked under me that I could be contacted directly to verify their employment.  They were given honest reviews, simply avoiding the gray market part of the answers.  Since I was the person now being verified, there was no one left to give the honest yet politically correct sanitized review.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; So, it doesn't matter if you're working in a mainstream industry, or a gray market industry, you can always get bitten by a failure to verify in your future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me give you some first hand experience about the gray market transition .
    Find a company name that is legitimately associated with the company you are working with , yet does n't scream " GAMBLING " .
Use that name for any out-of-industry contacts you have .
For example , if you work for offshore \ _gambling.com , but your company does have web \ _host \ _and \ _dev.com , associate yourself with that .
Use the email .
Put that on your resume .
When you step away from the industry , never reference the gray market industry .
    Most future employers do n't even bother contact old employers .
For the exceptions , it is very useful to ensure that there is ( and will be ) provisions where someone can verify your employment .
    I just lost out on probably the best job possibility that I 've ever been presented with .
As part of that job , it required a very in depth background check ( yes , the most in depth background check possible ) .
I did n't get the job because two employers were unavailable to verify my employment history .
    One was a perfectly legitimate mainstream company , who failed to verify anything .
The investigator failed to find the business ( strike 1 ) .
    The second was an gray market ( adult ) company .
Unfortunately , due to the company shutting down operations , none of the old offices were available to verify my employment , and my best guess for a verifier failed .
( " sorry , never heard of that company " ) .
    Mainstream or gray market does n't matter .
It 's a matter of the verifiability of your employment , should the need arise later .
    Unfortunately for me , I had told anyone that worked under me that I could be contacted directly to verify their employment .
They were given honest reviews , simply avoiding the gray market part of the answers .
Since I was the person now being verified , there was no one left to give the honest yet politically correct sanitized review .
    So , it does n't matter if you 're working in a mainstream industry , or a gray market industry , you can always get bitten by a failure to verify in your future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Let me give you some first hand experience about the gray market transition.
    Find a company name that is legitimately associated with the company you are working with, yet doesn't scream "GAMBLING".
Use that name for any out-of-industry contacts you have.
For example, if you work for offshore\_gambling.com, but your company does have web\_host\_and\_dev.com, associate yourself with that.
Use the email.
Put that on your resume.
When you step away from the industry, never reference the gray market industry.
    Most future employers don't even bother contact old employers.
For the exceptions, it is very useful to ensure that there is (and will be) provisions where someone can verify your employment.
    I just lost out on probably the best job possibility that I've ever been presented with.
As part of that job, it required a very in depth background check (yes, the most in depth background check possible).
I didn't get the job because two employers were unavailable to verify my employment history.
    One was a perfectly legitimate mainstream company, who failed to verify anything.
The investigator failed to find the business (strike 1).
    The second was an gray market (adult) company.
Unfortunately, due to the company shutting down operations, none of the old offices were available to verify my employment, and my best guess for a verifier failed.
("sorry, never heard of that company").
    Mainstream or gray market doesn't matter.
It's a matter of the verifiability of your employment, should the need arise later.
    Unfortunately for me, I had told anyone that worked under me that I could be contacted directly to verify their employment.
They were given honest reviews, simply avoiding the gray market part of the answers.
Since I was the person now being verified, there was no one left to give the honest yet politically correct sanitized review.
    So, it doesn't matter if you're working in a mainstream industry, or a gray market industry, you can always get bitten by a failure to verify in your future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728649</id>
	<title>Statistical strengths</title>
	<author>cmdotter</author>
	<datestamp>1255370160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't have a bias per-se. I'd assume that you'd be able to prove that your time there increased your abilities in statistical analysis, understanding human traits (and how they affect statistics) and pseudo random number generation.</p><p>In fact, if you failed to 'wow' me on those three points, then your time at a gambling location was seriously wasted because they're all good topics to be getting your teeth into.</p><p>If you could prove yourself in those areas, you'd obviously have no problem doing any other job IMHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't have a bias per-se .
I 'd assume that you 'd be able to prove that your time there increased your abilities in statistical analysis , understanding human traits ( and how they affect statistics ) and pseudo random number generation.In fact , if you failed to 'wow ' me on those three points , then your time at a gambling location was seriously wasted because they 're all good topics to be getting your teeth into.If you could prove yourself in those areas , you 'd obviously have no problem doing any other job IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't have a bias per-se.
I'd assume that you'd be able to prove that your time there increased your abilities in statistical analysis, understanding human traits (and how they affect statistics) and pseudo random number generation.In fact, if you failed to 'wow' me on those three points, then your time at a gambling location was seriously wasted because they're all good topics to be getting your teeth into.If you could prove yourself in those areas, you'd obviously have no problem doing any other job IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734977</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>cartman94501</author>
	<datestamp>1255462740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is biased. Plenty of people are named Guido, and most of them are not attached to organized crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is biased .
Plenty of people are named Guido , and most of them are not attached to organized crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is biased.
Plenty of people are named Guido, and most of them are not attached to organized crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727509</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BTW, the money actually did go *poof*.  It wasn't real in the first place, hence the term *bubble*.  Everything just became significantly less leveraged, which actually reduced the amount of available money that was propping up unsupportable housing prices.</p><p>But, hey, in today's economy, who's really keeping score anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , the money actually did go * poof * .
It was n't real in the first place , hence the term * bubble * .
Everything just became significantly less leveraged , which actually reduced the amount of available money that was propping up unsupportable housing prices.But , hey , in today 's economy , who 's really keeping score anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, the money actually did go *poof*.
It wasn't real in the first place, hence the term *bubble*.
Everything just became significantly less leveraged, which actually reduced the amount of available money that was propping up unsupportable housing prices.But, hey, in today's economy, who's really keeping score anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725917</id>
	<title>Black mark? Pffft.</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1255349520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't worked in the gambling industry myself, but based on what I've read about its extreme computing requirements, I'd be very interested in seeing a resume from someone who had worked in it. The same goes for parts of the online porn industry for much the same reason. Both are very technically challenging environments and are often leaders in innovation. Their achievements aren't lauded as much as they might be if the subject matter wasn't so unseemly in the minds of many, but at the end of the day, data is data.</p><p>I'd recommend going for it. Even at its worst, it's nowhere near as disreputable as, let's say, being on the development team for MS Access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't worked in the gambling industry myself , but based on what I 've read about its extreme computing requirements , I 'd be very interested in seeing a resume from someone who had worked in it .
The same goes for parts of the online porn industry for much the same reason .
Both are very technically challenging environments and are often leaders in innovation .
Their achievements are n't lauded as much as they might be if the subject matter was n't so unseemly in the minds of many , but at the end of the day , data is data.I 'd recommend going for it .
Even at its worst , it 's nowhere near as disreputable as , let 's say , being on the development team for MS Access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't worked in the gambling industry myself, but based on what I've read about its extreme computing requirements, I'd be very interested in seeing a resume from someone who had worked in it.
The same goes for parts of the online porn industry for much the same reason.
Both are very technically challenging environments and are often leaders in innovation.
Their achievements aren't lauded as much as they might be if the subject matter wasn't so unseemly in the minds of many, but at the end of the day, data is data.I'd recommend going for it.
Even at its worst, it's nowhere near as disreputable as, let's say, being on the development team for MS Access.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728337</id>
	<title>three things..</title>
	<author>v4vijayakumar</author>
	<datestamp>1255366920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. gambling<br>
2. liquor<br>
3. movies<br>

generates income for government.

(read that in a story, anyone remember that story)</htmltext>
<tokenext>1. gambling 2. liquor 3. movies generates income for government .
( read that in a story , anyone remember that story )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. gambling
2. liquor
3. movies

generates income for government.
(read that in a story, anyone remember that story)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731353</id>
	<title>big turn off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255446420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, work experience in the gambling industry is a big turn off. For potential job candidates, my turn ons are puppy dogs, sunsets, and long walks on the beach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , work experience in the gambling industry is a big turn off .
For potential job candidates , my turn ons are puppy dogs , sunsets , and long walks on the beach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, work experience in the gambling industry is a big turn off.
For potential job candidates, my turn ons are puppy dogs, sunsets, and long walks on the beach.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725371</id>
	<title>Not as bad as playboy / other porn fields</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1255346640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not as bad as playboy / other porn fields.</p><p>and Gambling is bigger on security tech then most other places even most of the us gov.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not as bad as playboy / other porn fields.and Gambling is bigger on security tech then most other places even most of the us gov .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not as bad as playboy / other porn fields.and Gambling is bigger on security tech then most other places even most of the us gov.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29806733</id>
	<title>ED Jacket,Bape Air Shoes,BOSS Skirt fashion enjoy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256048280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Http://www.tntshoes.com<br>Hi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photos<br>we have large brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, 300000\% best quality with the amazing price. please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website, if interested, please email me by  Http://www.tntshoes.com or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products,</p><p>
&nbsp; OUR WEBSITE:<br>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Http : //www.tntshoes.comHi friend , we are a prefession online store , you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe have large brand new shoes,clothing , handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale , 300000 \ % best quality with the amazing price .
please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website , if interested , please email me by Http : //www.tntshoes.com or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products ,   OUR WEBSITE :                                                           Http : //www.tntshoes.com                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Http://www.tntshoes.comHi friend, we are a prefession online store, you can see more photos and price in our website which is show in the photoswe have large brand new shoes,clothing, handbag,sunglasses,hats etc for sale, 300000\% best quality with the amazing price.
please look at the pictures and the price of our product in our website, if interested, please email me by  Http://www.tntshoes.com or place the order directly via our website please see below of the price list of some products,
  OUR WEBSITE:
                                                          Http://www.tntshoes.com
                                                        YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728987</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>SQL Error</author>
	<datestamp>1255375680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a economic crisis!<br>The money did not go *poof*. It went away from you, and in the pockets of others. There's always someone profiting from something like that.</p></div></blockquote><p>Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong.</p><p>It's not a zero-sum game.  Everyone can win, but by the same token, everyone can lose.</p><p>If I break a window, the asset value of that window is <i>lost</i>, no matter what economic "stimulus" there might appear to be from my having to pay for a new window.</p><p>The money really did go *poof*.  Money does that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Repeat after me : There is no such thing as a economic crisis ! The money did not go * poof * .
It went away from you , and in the pockets of others .
There 's always someone profiting from something like that.Wrong , wrong , wrongity wrong.It 's not a zero-sum game .
Everyone can win , but by the same token , everyone can lose.If I break a window , the asset value of that window is lost , no matter what economic " stimulus " there might appear to be from my having to pay for a new window.The money really did go * poof * .
Money does that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a economic crisis!The money did not go *poof*.
It went away from you, and in the pockets of others.
There's always someone profiting from something like that.Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong.It's not a zero-sum game.
Everyone can win, but by the same token, everyone can lose.If I break a window, the asset value of that window is lost, no matter what economic "stimulus" there might appear to be from my having to pay for a new window.The money really did go *poof*.
Money does that.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29728439</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255367700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.</p></div><p>And you can proudly wear that badge of honor while you're standing in the dole queue!</p><p>The hiring managers who consider working for a betting company a sign of poor personal ethics don't care whether Slashdot or the lauded liberal left think "conservatives are horrible" or "then you must be a right wing Bible thumper".  You can whine and make unprofessional bitchy comments about the company owner all you like; you're still not hired.  And the more you whine, the more they'll just think "I'm glad I didn't hire that whiner!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , if a right wing , dogmatic , Bible-thumping company owner did n't want to hire me I 'd consider that a badge of honor.And you can proudly wear that badge of honor while you 're standing in the dole queue ! The hiring managers who consider working for a betting company a sign of poor personal ethics do n't care whether Slashdot or the lauded liberal left think " conservatives are horrible " or " then you must be a right wing Bible thumper " .
You can whine and make unprofessional bitchy comments about the company owner all you like ; you 're still not hired .
And the more you whine , the more they 'll just think " I 'm glad I did n't hire that whiner !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor.And you can proudly wear that badge of honor while you're standing in the dole queue!The hiring managers who consider working for a betting company a sign of poor personal ethics don't care whether Slashdot or the lauded liberal left think "conservatives are horrible" or "then you must be a right wing Bible thumper".
You can whine and make unprofessional bitchy comments about the company owner all you like; you're still not hired.
And the more you whine, the more they'll just think "I'm glad I didn't hire that whiner!
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725717</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29734807</id>
	<title>my personal opinion</title>
	<author>Max\_W</author>
	<datestamp>1255461720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK. Some folks write that it would not be a Black Mark, some that it would be.</p><p>Probably for some it would be, for some not.</p><p>As for me, personally, in my opinion, it would definitely be a big black mark. I would probably never tell you this in your face if I will have to work with you in one team.</p><p>But, frankly, I would never consider you a part of a fair world, part of a goodness. Never ever. You will be in my opinion a part of force of darkness and evil.</p><p>I do not argue that this opinion is correct for everyone. It is just the way I feel about it.</p><p>As Gandhi wrote: "Be the change you want to see in the world." What change will you be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK. Some folks write that it would not be a Black Mark , some that it would be.Probably for some it would be , for some not.As for me , personally , in my opinion , it would definitely be a big black mark .
I would probably never tell you this in your face if I will have to work with you in one team.But , frankly , I would never consider you a part of a fair world , part of a goodness .
Never ever .
You will be in my opinion a part of force of darkness and evil.I do not argue that this opinion is correct for everyone .
It is just the way I feel about it.As Gandhi wrote : " Be the change you want to see in the world .
" What change will you be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK. Some folks write that it would not be a Black Mark, some that it would be.Probably for some it would be, for some not.As for me, personally, in my opinion, it would definitely be a big black mark.
I would probably never tell you this in your face if I will have to work with you in one team.But, frankly, I would never consider you a part of a fair world, part of a goodness.
Never ever.
You will be in my opinion a part of force of darkness and evil.I do not argue that this opinion is correct for everyone.
It is just the way I feel about it.As Gandhi wrote: "Be the change you want to see in the world.
" What change will you be?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29732161</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255449960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who's ignorant?  The rich are also the first to regain wealth as the economy recovers.  Relatively speaking, they maintain their economic positions quite well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's ignorant ?
The rich are also the first to regain wealth as the economy recovers .
Relatively speaking , they maintain their economic positions quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's ignorant?
The rich are also the first to regain wealth as the economy recovers.
Relatively speaking, they maintain their economic positions quite well.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725993</id>
	<title>It depends</title>
	<author>zulux</author>
	<datestamp>1255349820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honesty mode, and only speaking for me:</p><p>If you're clean cut, articulate and not at all slimy -  then it will be a good thing to have gambling experience.</p><p>If you're even remotely suspicious looking, it will hinder you as it will give seemingly tangible evidence that you *may* by a risk.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p><p>That said, I did hire someone who worked at at offshore gabling site, and the stories were awesome. He came across as someone who I could trust - so that made the hire easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honesty mode , and only speaking for me : If you 're clean cut , articulate and not at all slimy - then it will be a good thing to have gambling experience.If you 're even remotely suspicious looking , it will hinder you as it will give seemingly tangible evidence that you * may * by a risk .
..That said , I did hire someone who worked at at offshore gabling site , and the stories were awesome .
He came across as someone who I could trust - so that made the hire easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honesty mode, and only speaking for me:If you're clean cut, articulate and not at all slimy -  then it will be a good thing to have gambling experience.If you're even remotely suspicious looking, it will hinder you as it will give seemingly tangible evidence that you *may* by a risk.
..That said, I did hire someone who worked at at offshore gabling site, and the stories were awesome.
He came across as someone who I could trust - so that made the hire easy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29743621</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1255530360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime.</i></p><p>Well, it largely is.  I mean, they write the laws, and then they exempt themselves so that they can have odds that private casinos would not legally be allowed to have.  In may places they outlaw any competition.  But its good because its used to fund eductation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime.Well , it largely is .
I mean , they write the laws , and then they exempt themselves so that they can have odds that private casinos would not legally be allowed to have .
In may places they outlaw any competition .
But its good because its used to fund eductation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For whatever reason people associate the entire gaming industry with organized crime.Well, it largely is.
I mean, they write the laws, and then they exempt themselves so that they can have odds that private casinos would not legally be allowed to have.
In may places they outlaw any competition.
But its good because its used to fund eductation.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730183</id>
	<title>Seeing responses strengthens it....</title>
	<author>poofmeisterp</author>
	<datestamp>1255436640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's quite like a lot of events in the Human life time:</p><p>1.  If you take a chance at things turning out well, you may succeed or lose, and people will like and dislike you, depending on their tendencies.</p><p>2.  If you don't take a chance, you may be missing out on a possibly great opportunity, or may have avoided a bad opportunity.  Either way, you will feel "this way or that" about the outcome.  Depends on what you find out about it later and/or how much you think about it.</p><p>Conclusion:</p><p>If you listen to your brain when the right hemisphere interacts with the left and gives you that "warning" indicator, there is a reason, based on your knowledge and life experience.  If you go after something that you feel may be of a threat to you, then you will always be worried that there is a possible negative outcome on the horizon, regardless of the current conditions.  Opposed to that concept, if you "go with your gut instinct" and don't take the opportunity, you will also be concerned that you missed something that may have been the best career choice in life.<br>The best choice (IMHO and based on my near-death) is to live life and ignore the "what ifs."  Go with your gut instincts and spend time, but not too much time, solving analytical issues that may provide you with better answers as your life matures.</p><p>Something's nagging you right now to be concerned about this being a possible threat.  That means (again, IMHO) that this one isn't for you.  Keep looking, but don't stop learning.  It may change in the future, or may not.</p><p>Wow, the whole concept in and of itself is a gamble.  You know what I mean<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite like a lot of events in the Human life time : 1 .
If you take a chance at things turning out well , you may succeed or lose , and people will like and dislike you , depending on their tendencies.2 .
If you do n't take a chance , you may be missing out on a possibly great opportunity , or may have avoided a bad opportunity .
Either way , you will feel " this way or that " about the outcome .
Depends on what you find out about it later and/or how much you think about it.Conclusion : If you listen to your brain when the right hemisphere interacts with the left and gives you that " warning " indicator , there is a reason , based on your knowledge and life experience .
If you go after something that you feel may be of a threat to you , then you will always be worried that there is a possible negative outcome on the horizon , regardless of the current conditions .
Opposed to that concept , if you " go with your gut instinct " and do n't take the opportunity , you will also be concerned that you missed something that may have been the best career choice in life.The best choice ( IMHO and based on my near-death ) is to live life and ignore the " what ifs .
" Go with your gut instincts and spend time , but not too much time , solving analytical issues that may provide you with better answers as your life matures.Something 's nagging you right now to be concerned about this being a possible threat .
That means ( again , IMHO ) that this one is n't for you .
Keep looking , but do n't stop learning .
It may change in the future , or may not.Wow , the whole concept in and of itself is a gamble .
You know what I mean : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite like a lot of events in the Human life time:1.
If you take a chance at things turning out well, you may succeed or lose, and people will like and dislike you, depending on their tendencies.2.
If you don't take a chance, you may be missing out on a possibly great opportunity, or may have avoided a bad opportunity.
Either way, you will feel "this way or that" about the outcome.
Depends on what you find out about it later and/or how much you think about it.Conclusion:If you listen to your brain when the right hemisphere interacts with the left and gives you that "warning" indicator, there is a reason, based on your knowledge and life experience.
If you go after something that you feel may be of a threat to you, then you will always be worried that there is a possible negative outcome on the horizon, regardless of the current conditions.
Opposed to that concept, if you "go with your gut instinct" and don't take the opportunity, you will also be concerned that you missed something that may have been the best career choice in life.The best choice (IMHO and based on my near-death) is to live life and ignore the "what ifs.
"  Go with your gut instincts and spend time, but not too much time, solving analytical issues that may provide you with better answers as your life matures.Something's nagging you right now to be concerned about this being a possible threat.
That means (again, IMHO) that this one isn't for you.
Keep looking, but don't stop learning.
It may change in the future, or may not.Wow, the whole concept in and of itself is a gamble.
You know what I mean :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727525</id>
	<title>In New Zealand</title>
	<author>ukoda</author>
	<datestamp>1255359660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here in New Zealand it would only be a problem for a small number of bigots but for the most part is likely to be positive.  In my case it has clearly been a good thing.  When I worked for the TAB (horse racing) it required high quality audited code, which looks good on a CV.  When I worked for a casino I had be police interview and certified as a reputable citizen which is also good on a CV, and I always thought I was certifiable<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in New Zealand it would only be a problem for a small number of bigots but for the most part is likely to be positive .
In my case it has clearly been a good thing .
When I worked for the TAB ( horse racing ) it required high quality audited code , which looks good on a CV .
When I worked for a casino I had be police interview and certified as a reputable citizen which is also good on a CV , and I always thought I was certifiable ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in New Zealand it would only be a problem for a small number of bigots but for the most part is likely to be positive.
In my case it has clearly been a good thing.
When I worked for the TAB (horse racing) it required high quality audited code, which looks good on a CV.
When I worked for a casino I had be police interview and certified as a reputable citizen which is also good on a CV, and I always thought I was certifiable ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725483</id>
	<title>No personal experience, just an opinion</title>
	<author>AdamInParadise</author>
	<datestamp>1255347120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you worked for an "established" company, i.e. a brick&amp;mortar casino or a maker of slot machines, it should not be a problem. I'm sure that the gambling industry faces lots of interesting challenges (i.e. random number generation, security, following regulations...) Now, if you worked in the shadier side of the industry (online "casinos", "yOu already W0N 1ooo dollrs" emails and the like), well, that could be a problem with many potential employers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you worked for an " established " company , i.e .
a brick&amp;mortar casino or a maker of slot machines , it should not be a problem .
I 'm sure that the gambling industry faces lots of interesting challenges ( i.e .
random number generation , security , following regulations... ) Now , if you worked in the shadier side of the industry ( online " casinos " , " yOu already W0N 1ooo dollrs " emails and the like ) , well , that could be a problem with many potential employers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you worked for an "established" company, i.e.
a brick&amp;mortar casino or a maker of slot machines, it should not be a problem.
I'm sure that the gambling industry faces lots of interesting challenges (i.e.
random number generation, security, following regulations...) Now, if you worked in the shadier side of the industry (online "casinos", "yOu already W0N 1ooo dollrs" emails and the like), well, that could be a problem with many potential employers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29731473</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that a highly regulated industry?</title>
	<author>n1ckml007</author>
	<datestamp>1255447020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally I would take a reference from <b>Guido</b> van Rossum any day!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I would take a reference from Guido van Rossum any day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I would take a reference from Guido van Rossum any day!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727997</id>
	<title>Re:Not a black mark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255363560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only thing to be careful of is the company poker game!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing to be careful of is the company poker game !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing to be careful of is the company poker game!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29730193</id>
	<title>You'll be fine</title>
	<author>MartynH</author>
	<datestamp>1255436760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have worked in the Gambling industry for about 3.5 years now (I'm 30 - got out of uni in 2001) and if nothing else I've found that it's helped my career.  I'm getting job offers from a wide range of different industries (investment banks, indie software houses, startups, big name search engines etc).

Obviously personal mileage may vary and it depends on who you work for (my current company is a big named betting exchange), but I certainly can't see any 'black mark' being applied to you because of it.  Just make sure the company you work for is legal and above board or the whole USA thing may be an issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have worked in the Gambling industry for about 3.5 years now ( I 'm 30 - got out of uni in 2001 ) and if nothing else I 've found that it 's helped my career .
I 'm getting job offers from a wide range of different industries ( investment banks , indie software houses , startups , big name search engines etc ) .
Obviously personal mileage may vary and it depends on who you work for ( my current company is a big named betting exchange ) , but I certainly ca n't see any 'black mark ' being applied to you because of it .
Just make sure the company you work for is legal and above board or the whole USA thing may be an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have worked in the Gambling industry for about 3.5 years now (I'm 30 - got out of uni in 2001) and if nothing else I've found that it's helped my career.
I'm getting job offers from a wide range of different industries (investment banks, indie software houses, startups, big name search engines etc).
Obviously personal mileage may vary and it depends on who you work for (my current company is a big named betting exchange), but I certainly can't see any 'black mark' being applied to you because of it.
Just make sure the company you work for is legal and above board or the whole USA thing may be an issue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725763</id>
	<title>Re:No. Its not a black mark. Its a bad industry</title>
	<author>frosty\_tsm</author>
	<datestamp>1255348740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada.  Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing.  However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry.  get out now and do something more interesting.</p></div><p>"These are tough times. Hard to find yourself work. A man can get a job, he might not look too close at what that job is."<br> <br>

(Firefly quote, but I remember it applying to me once before)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada .
Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing .
However , its a boring , crappy , narrow-minded industry .
get out now and do something more interesting .
" These are tough times .
Hard to find yourself work .
A man can get a job , he might not look too close at what that job is .
" ( Firefly quote , but I remember it applying to me once before )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the Gaming Industry in Nevada.
Its not a black-mark on your resume from any societal/value thing.
However, its a boring, crappy, narrow-minded industry.
get out now and do something more interesting.
"These are tough times.
Hard to find yourself work.
A man can get a job, he might not look too close at what that job is.
" 

(Firefly quote, but I remember it applying to me once before)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727535</id>
	<title>Re:A job is a job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255359840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could do with a little insight into economics as well.</p><p>The reason we hit those high points when the economy is "up" is because of all the fictitious money being created, through loans, etc.</p><p>When someone pays, say, 10k down on a 1000k mortgage, they get the loan and the property. Somebody gets paid 1000k for the property. The 1000k does not exist, it was created via some paperwork. So now, there is this big hunk of money that was created out of thin air being spent, etc. Now when the person who got the loan defaults, in a game of musical chairs - whoever was sitting on that loan hoping to collect payments loses "money." Rinse and repeat a few million times, and you have an economy going "up" for a while, when the money is being created out of thin air, then it spirals "down" because some of the gamblers who tried to make a percentage on that "money" got stuck with a losing hand.</p><p>Its all a house of cards made of bullshit and news bites. Credit ratings and loans. Its how American capitalism works, and it is seriously flawed. The rich do not lose more than anybody else when things go "down" they simply lose some make believe money that didn't exist to begin with, stocks are NOT money. They are chips in a poker game. Just because some billionaire loses some chips in a poker game doesn't mean he no longer owns his yacht, mansion or fancy cars now does it? When people have their pay cut, they LOSE money. When some stock goes down a percentage, nobody loses money, the chips simply lose some POTENTIAL value, not actual value.</p><p>Get a clue, and stop trying to be a middle class real estate speculator, the world will thank you for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could do with a little insight into economics as well.The reason we hit those high points when the economy is " up " is because of all the fictitious money being created , through loans , etc.When someone pays , say , 10k down on a 1000k mortgage , they get the loan and the property .
Somebody gets paid 1000k for the property .
The 1000k does not exist , it was created via some paperwork .
So now , there is this big hunk of money that was created out of thin air being spent , etc .
Now when the person who got the loan defaults , in a game of musical chairs - whoever was sitting on that loan hoping to collect payments loses " money .
" Rinse and repeat a few million times , and you have an economy going " up " for a while , when the money is being created out of thin air , then it spirals " down " because some of the gamblers who tried to make a percentage on that " money " got stuck with a losing hand.Its all a house of cards made of bullshit and news bites .
Credit ratings and loans .
Its how American capitalism works , and it is seriously flawed .
The rich do not lose more than anybody else when things go " down " they simply lose some make believe money that did n't exist to begin with , stocks are NOT money .
They are chips in a poker game .
Just because some billionaire loses some chips in a poker game does n't mean he no longer owns his yacht , mansion or fancy cars now does it ?
When people have their pay cut , they LOSE money .
When some stock goes down a percentage , nobody loses money , the chips simply lose some POTENTIAL value , not actual value.Get a clue , and stop trying to be a middle class real estate speculator , the world will thank you for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could do with a little insight into economics as well.The reason we hit those high points when the economy is "up" is because of all the fictitious money being created, through loans, etc.When someone pays, say, 10k down on a 1000k mortgage, they get the loan and the property.
Somebody gets paid 1000k for the property.
The 1000k does not exist, it was created via some paperwork.
So now, there is this big hunk of money that was created out of thin air being spent, etc.
Now when the person who got the loan defaults, in a game of musical chairs - whoever was sitting on that loan hoping to collect payments loses "money.
" Rinse and repeat a few million times, and you have an economy going "up" for a while, when the money is being created out of thin air, then it spirals "down" because some of the gamblers who tried to make a percentage on that "money" got stuck with a losing hand.Its all a house of cards made of bullshit and news bites.
Credit ratings and loans.
Its how American capitalism works, and it is seriously flawed.
The rich do not lose more than anybody else when things go "down" they simply lose some make believe money that didn't exist to begin with, stocks are NOT money.
They are chips in a poker game.
Just because some billionaire loses some chips in a poker game doesn't mean he no longer owns his yacht, mansion or fancy cars now does it?
When people have their pay cut, they LOSE money.
When some stock goes down a percentage, nobody loses money, the chips simply lose some POTENTIAL value, not actual value.Get a clue, and stop trying to be a middle class real estate speculator, the world will thank you for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725841</id>
	<title>Re:Big NO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255349040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah! Damn right you would hire someone working for the sex industry. I tell you something guys: I worked for the sex industry and you will not get rid of the moral questions involved. Every day you are confronted with ugly content and dirty stuff, and best of all you cannot even tell someone WHAT exactly you are working. I would never ever make that move again. Its st least as immoral as gambling. People get addicted to sex as they get to gamling, there is no difference in it.</p><p>To all those sex-businesses out there: You all have some nice portal an nice blogfarms and nice cutting edge SEO and nice partnerprograms and all the like. But you know what, I would not recommend any one having at least some braincells thinking straight to your industry.</p><p>The gambling or sex industry are low hanging fruits. Sure they want to hire, because they have such a braindead business, that some capable people can make a difference. I would never ever do it again, it will even by chance ruin your sexlife if you had one.</p><p>There are many problems out there searching for a nice solution. DO NOT FIX WHAT's NOT BROKEN: NO SEX INDUSTRY, NO GAMBLING!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah !
Damn right you would hire someone working for the sex industry .
I tell you something guys : I worked for the sex industry and you will not get rid of the moral questions involved .
Every day you are confronted with ugly content and dirty stuff , and best of all you can not even tell someone WHAT exactly you are working .
I would never ever make that move again .
Its st least as immoral as gambling .
People get addicted to sex as they get to gamling , there is no difference in it.To all those sex-businesses out there : You all have some nice portal an nice blogfarms and nice cutting edge SEO and nice partnerprograms and all the like .
But you know what , I would not recommend any one having at least some braincells thinking straight to your industry.The gambling or sex industry are low hanging fruits .
Sure they want to hire , because they have such a braindead business , that some capable people can make a difference .
I would never ever do it again , it will even by chance ruin your sexlife if you had one.There are many problems out there searching for a nice solution .
DO NOT FIX WHAT 's NOT BROKEN : NO SEX INDUSTRY , NO GAMBLING !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah!
Damn right you would hire someone working for the sex industry.
I tell you something guys: I worked for the sex industry and you will not get rid of the moral questions involved.
Every day you are confronted with ugly content and dirty stuff, and best of all you cannot even tell someone WHAT exactly you are working.
I would never ever make that move again.
Its st least as immoral as gambling.
People get addicted to sex as they get to gamling, there is no difference in it.To all those sex-businesses out there: You all have some nice portal an nice blogfarms and nice cutting edge SEO and nice partnerprograms and all the like.
But you know what, I would not recommend any one having at least some braincells thinking straight to your industry.The gambling or sex industry are low hanging fruits.
Sure they want to hire, because they have such a braindead business, that some capable people can make a difference.
I would never ever do it again, it will even by chance ruin your sexlife if you had one.There are many problems out there searching for a nice solution.
DO NOT FIX WHAT's NOT BROKEN: NO SEX INDUSTRY, NO GAMBLING!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29725501</id>
	<title>Hell yes it is.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255347180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When we hire we look for web application development experience, database experience etc., if you're coming in from a gaming dev. background we might assume you can program, but we definitely assume you will need 9-18 months in the position until your developing at the same speed as the rest of us because you lack familiarity with the common problems and APIs. So when we secure a work contract with a client and need people to start ASAP, we need people who are already skilled up in the same problem domain.</p><p>But there's something else too, how interesting is an ex gaming programmer going to find working on boring business apps? Do we really want to take the risk on hiring them when they haven't yet proven they can handle the tedium of business apps?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When we hire we look for web application development experience , database experience etc. , if you 're coming in from a gaming dev .
background we might assume you can program , but we definitely assume you will need 9-18 months in the position until your developing at the same speed as the rest of us because you lack familiarity with the common problems and APIs .
So when we secure a work contract with a client and need people to start ASAP , we need people who are already skilled up in the same problem domain.But there 's something else too , how interesting is an ex gaming programmer going to find working on boring business apps ?
Do we really want to take the risk on hiring them when they have n't yet proven they can handle the tedium of business apps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When we hire we look for web application development experience, database experience etc., if you're coming in from a gaming dev.
background we might assume you can program, but we definitely assume you will need 9-18 months in the position until your developing at the same speed as the rest of us because you lack familiarity with the common problems and APIs.
So when we secure a work contract with a client and need people to start ASAP, we need people who are already skilled up in the same problem domain.But there's something else too, how interesting is an ex gaming programmer going to find working on boring business apps?
Do we really want to take the risk on hiring them when they haven't yet proven they can handle the tedium of business apps?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_12_1928215.29727847</id>
	<title>I work in the gaming industry</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1255362180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in the gaming industry for the last 8 years currently as a programmer, just like you at a place where gambling operations are legal. Before working as a programmer I worked as a sysadmin and for a year as a manager (with technical duties too). I have a formal college degree and I pay taxes and report my income. So does the company where I have a full time consultant (oxymoron??) deal.</p><p>What I see this far is that there are good and bad guys in the industry. While I consider casinos a total scam (even the honest ones) sports betting operations are usually a lot better. Also credit vs post-up operations differ a lot from each other post up ones being more problematic (charge backs, books does not want to pay, legal problems with US gamblers, etc).</p><p>About the US concern: our company does not accept US bettors' money, is completely legal here and so writing programs (or maintaining them) is not illegal by any standards. I see more contacts and work in the industry than at any other workplace this far. Everyone knows everyone and if you are willing to do and can take a little stress here and there you will have people wanting to hire you left and right. Mostly from the gaming industry though.</p><p>There is a movie with a quote "Where there is gambling there are criminals", and take this as an advice. There are people in the industry I do not want to talk to, do not want to be seen with, do not want to know and feel extremely uncomfortable around. Not necessarily criminals, but people whose behavior is not compatible with my standards, but then again I saw upper management at the largest computer manufacturer's IT/Middleware division who did not behave much better than that.</p><p>So... my bet (pun intended) is that you have to look at the environment and the people you will have to work with/for and make a decision. Also find out about what sites/services they run and google the hell out of it. If you see that there are payout complaints and similar issues; RUN.<br>I once worked at a place where it became evident that they were ripping people off, I quit after the next paycheck.</p><p>Oh, consider that at gaming operations you might have to deal with extreme paranoia if you are anywhere near their data (financial or player info). You do not want to steal and email out their player list or do something similarly stupid. Be clear about not wanting to see any data or make sure you follow protocol near data. If you are tempted to "prove that their security sucks" either make sure they know your are about to demonstrate something or do not do it. Trust me on that one.....</p><p>Soooo.. this is my 5c of advice, just use common sense and if you see something wrong just pack your stuff and go somewhere else.<br>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the gaming industry for the last 8 years currently as a programmer , just like you at a place where gambling operations are legal .
Before working as a programmer I worked as a sysadmin and for a year as a manager ( with technical duties too ) .
I have a formal college degree and I pay taxes and report my income .
So does the company where I have a full time consultant ( oxymoron ? ?
) deal.What I see this far is that there are good and bad guys in the industry .
While I consider casinos a total scam ( even the honest ones ) sports betting operations are usually a lot better .
Also credit vs post-up operations differ a lot from each other post up ones being more problematic ( charge backs , books does not want to pay , legal problems with US gamblers , etc ) .About the US concern : our company does not accept US bettors ' money , is completely legal here and so writing programs ( or maintaining them ) is not illegal by any standards .
I see more contacts and work in the industry than at any other workplace this far .
Everyone knows everyone and if you are willing to do and can take a little stress here and there you will have people wanting to hire you left and right .
Mostly from the gaming industry though.There is a movie with a quote " Where there is gambling there are criminals " , and take this as an advice .
There are people in the industry I do not want to talk to , do not want to be seen with , do not want to know and feel extremely uncomfortable around .
Not necessarily criminals , but people whose behavior is not compatible with my standards , but then again I saw upper management at the largest computer manufacturer 's IT/Middleware division who did not behave much better than that.So... my bet ( pun intended ) is that you have to look at the environment and the people you will have to work with/for and make a decision .
Also find out about what sites/services they run and google the hell out of it .
If you see that there are payout complaints and similar issues ; RUN.I once worked at a place where it became evident that they were ripping people off , I quit after the next paycheck.Oh , consider that at gaming operations you might have to deal with extreme paranoia if you are anywhere near their data ( financial or player info ) .
You do not want to steal and email out their player list or do something similarly stupid .
Be clear about not wanting to see any data or make sure you follow protocol near data .
If you are tempted to " prove that their security sucks " either make sure they know your are about to demonstrate something or do not do it .
Trust me on that one.....Soooo.. this is my 5c of advice , just use common sense and if you see something wrong just pack your stuff and go somewhere else.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the gaming industry for the last 8 years currently as a programmer, just like you at a place where gambling operations are legal.
Before working as a programmer I worked as a sysadmin and for a year as a manager (with technical duties too).
I have a formal college degree and I pay taxes and report my income.
So does the company where I have a full time consultant (oxymoron??
) deal.What I see this far is that there are good and bad guys in the industry.
While I consider casinos a total scam (even the honest ones) sports betting operations are usually a lot better.
Also credit vs post-up operations differ a lot from each other post up ones being more problematic (charge backs, books does not want to pay, legal problems with US gamblers, etc).About the US concern: our company does not accept US bettors' money, is completely legal here and so writing programs (or maintaining them) is not illegal by any standards.
I see more contacts and work in the industry than at any other workplace this far.
Everyone knows everyone and if you are willing to do and can take a little stress here and there you will have people wanting to hire you left and right.
Mostly from the gaming industry though.There is a movie with a quote "Where there is gambling there are criminals", and take this as an advice.
There are people in the industry I do not want to talk to, do not want to be seen with, do not want to know and feel extremely uncomfortable around.
Not necessarily criminals, but people whose behavior is not compatible with my standards, but then again I saw upper management at the largest computer manufacturer's IT/Middleware division who did not behave much better than that.So... my bet (pun intended) is that you have to look at the environment and the people you will have to work with/for and make a decision.
Also find out about what sites/services they run and google the hell out of it.
If you see that there are payout complaints and similar issues; RUN.I once worked at a place where it became evident that they were ripping people off, I quit after the next paycheck.Oh, consider that at gaming operations you might have to deal with extreme paranoia if you are anywhere near their data (financial or player info).
You do not want to steal and email out their player list or do something similarly stupid.
Be clear about not wanting to see any data or make sure you follow protocol near data.
If you are tempted to "prove that their security sucks" either make sure they know your are about to demonstrate something or do not do it.
Trust me on that one.....Soooo.. this is my 5c of advice, just use common sense and if you see something wrong just pack your stuff and go somewhere else.Cheers
	</sentencetext>
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