<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_17_144255</id>
	<title>Music Industry Wants a Cut of Pirate Bay Sale</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1247848860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>suraj.sun writes <i>"The music industry will attempt to <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023\_3-10288495-93.html">seize money paid to acquire the Pirate Bay</a>. A couple of weeks back the Global Gaming Factory, a Swedish software company, announced that it would <a href="//news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/30/1233213">acquire the Pirate Bay</a> for $7.8 million. Since then the company has been touting a new business model and even hiring executives, such as Wayne Rosso, the former Grokster president, to legally obtain content from film and music industries. What remains to be seen is how that sale might be affected by attempts by the music industry to collect the <a href="//entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/11/1759241&amp;tid=316">$3.6 million damages</a> that a Swedish court awarded it in April. Alex Jacob, a spokesman for the IFPI, said that the group has always intended to collect the damages award, but now, should the sale go through, music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money."</i> According to CNet, the four original Pirates claim they no longer own the company and that no money from the sale will go to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>suraj.sun writes " The music industry will attempt to seize money paid to acquire the Pirate Bay .
A couple of weeks back the Global Gaming Factory , a Swedish software company , announced that it would acquire the Pirate Bay for $ 7.8 million .
Since then the company has been touting a new business model and even hiring executives , such as Wayne Rosso , the former Grokster president , to legally obtain content from film and music industries .
What remains to be seen is how that sale might be affected by attempts by the music industry to collect the $ 3.6 million damages that a Swedish court awarded it in April .
Alex Jacob , a spokesman for the IFPI , said that the group has always intended to collect the damages award , but now , should the sale go through , music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money .
" According to CNet , the four original Pirates claim they no longer own the company and that no money from the sale will go to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>suraj.sun writes "The music industry will attempt to seize money paid to acquire the Pirate Bay.
A couple of weeks back the Global Gaming Factory, a Swedish software company, announced that it would acquire the Pirate Bay for $7.8 million.
Since then the company has been touting a new business model and even hiring executives, such as Wayne Rosso, the former Grokster president, to legally obtain content from film and music industries.
What remains to be seen is how that sale might be affected by attempts by the music industry to collect the $3.6 million damages that a Swedish court awarded it in April.
Alex Jacob, a spokesman for the IFPI, said that the group has always intended to collect the damages award, but now, should the sale go through, music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money.
" According to CNet, the four original Pirates claim they no longer own the company and that no money from the sale will go to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732655</id>
	<title>Re:Paying to Pirate</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1247857500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I bet they are planning on introducing "paid subscriptions" to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media. Which would be pretty bad</p></div></blockquote><p>So it's basically true that pirates are simply avoiding compensating the creators of a work?</p><p>Man, no one should pay you for doing your day job. You should work for free and like it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet they are planning on introducing " paid subscriptions " to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media .
Which would be pretty badSo it 's basically true that pirates are simply avoiding compensating the creators of a work ? Man , no one should pay you for doing your day job .
You should work for free and like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet they are planning on introducing "paid subscriptions" to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media.
Which would be pretty badSo it's basically true that pirates are simply avoiding compensating the creators of a work?Man, no one should pay you for doing your day job.
You should work for free and like it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733597</id>
	<title>What would have happened if?</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1247861940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was wondering what things would be like today for the music industry, artists, and music lovers if the RIAA had never waged this campaign against filesharing - and napster continued unabated...What do you think?</p><p>Would it be better than it is now? Would it be worse? Would it be the same? Why?</p><p>I guess I think that eventually artists would have gotten involved - and since they aren't multinational corporations, they might not have been as successful at getting the authorities on their side. Some probably would have acted like Lars Ulrich; but ultimately I think more of them would have resorted to interfacing directly with their fans, kind of like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails - but I am curious what other people think.</p><p>*note: I am all for filesharing...I have a massive vinyl and CD collection. I used to have a ton of cassettes too before I transfered the non-replaceable ones to CD and downloaded (without paying a second time I might add) everything I already owned on cassette in MP3 and FLAC versions. I still buy music from time to time, but most of what I donwload are live shows and stuff I already have paid for at least once. If I download something new and end up liking it, then usually I will buy it. So I hate the RIAA, I think they rip off musicians, they exist for one purpose: to protect and enrich the large media conglomerates. They don't give a fuck about artists - only about an artist's ability to produce money for the machine, and if they can get more of the money by extending ownership of master tapes or anything else which fucks the artist, they love doing so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering what things would be like today for the music industry , artists , and music lovers if the RIAA had never waged this campaign against filesharing - and napster continued unabated...What do you think ? Would it be better than it is now ?
Would it be worse ?
Would it be the same ?
Why ? I guess I think that eventually artists would have gotten involved - and since they are n't multinational corporations , they might not have been as successful at getting the authorities on their side .
Some probably would have acted like Lars Ulrich ; but ultimately I think more of them would have resorted to interfacing directly with their fans , kind of like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails - but I am curious what other people think .
* note : I am all for filesharing...I have a massive vinyl and CD collection .
I used to have a ton of cassettes too before I transfered the non-replaceable ones to CD and downloaded ( without paying a second time I might add ) everything I already owned on cassette in MP3 and FLAC versions .
I still buy music from time to time , but most of what I donwload are live shows and stuff I already have paid for at least once .
If I download something new and end up liking it , then usually I will buy it .
So I hate the RIAA , I think they rip off musicians , they exist for one purpose : to protect and enrich the large media conglomerates .
They do n't give a fuck about artists - only about an artist 's ability to produce money for the machine , and if they can get more of the money by extending ownership of master tapes or anything else which fucks the artist , they love doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering what things would be like today for the music industry, artists, and music lovers if the RIAA had never waged this campaign against filesharing - and napster continued unabated...What do you think?Would it be better than it is now?
Would it be worse?
Would it be the same?
Why?I guess I think that eventually artists would have gotten involved - and since they aren't multinational corporations, they might not have been as successful at getting the authorities on their side.
Some probably would have acted like Lars Ulrich; but ultimately I think more of them would have resorted to interfacing directly with their fans, kind of like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails - but I am curious what other people think.
*note: I am all for filesharing...I have a massive vinyl and CD collection.
I used to have a ton of cassettes too before I transfered the non-replaceable ones to CD and downloaded (without paying a second time I might add) everything I already owned on cassette in MP3 and FLAC versions.
I still buy music from time to time, but most of what I donwload are live shows and stuff I already have paid for at least once.
If I download something new and end up liking it, then usually I will buy it.
So I hate the RIAA, I think they rip off musicians, they exist for one purpose: to protect and enrich the large media conglomerates.
They don't give a fuck about artists - only about an artist's ability to produce money for the machine, and if they can get more of the money by extending ownership of master tapes or anything else which fucks the artist, they love doing so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732015</id>
	<title>Re:Not just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale</title>
	<author>Stu1706</author>
	<datestamp>1247854680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Between the cut the government will get for taxes and the cut the music industry will get because of the settlement. That will leave very little for the prior owners.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Between the cut the government will get for taxes and the cut the music industry will get because of the settlement .
That will leave very little for the prior owners .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Between the cut the government will get for taxes and the cut the music industry will get because of the settlement.
That will leave very little for the prior owners.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28734835</id>
	<title>Re:Its not their money.</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1247824020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also surely they cannot intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending.</p></div><p>Actually, following the first conviction they can and have tried to freeze assets to cover the liability. It's not awarded yet, but they can do that while waiting for appeals. It's rather harsh but the alternative of people holding fire sales and moving money abroad is a serious problem too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also surely they can not intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending.Actually , following the first conviction they can and have tried to freeze assets to cover the liability .
It 's not awarded yet , but they can do that while waiting for appeals .
It 's rather harsh but the alternative of people holding fire sales and moving money abroad is a serious problem too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also surely they cannot intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending.Actually, following the first conviction they can and have tried to freeze assets to cover the liability.
It's not awarded yet, but they can do that while waiting for appeals.
It's rather harsh but the alternative of people holding fire sales and moving money abroad is a serious problem too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733395</id>
	<title>Re:Jesus Christ</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1247861100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know that if Obama went on TV on this issue, he likely would be standing next to Biden - and all of the RIAA lawyers he has promoted into the DOJ...He's likely NOT on the "right" side of this issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know that if Obama went on TV on this issue , he likely would be standing next to Biden - and all of the RIAA lawyers he has promoted into the DOJ...He 's likely NOT on the " right " side of this issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that if Obama went on TV on this issue, he likely would be standing next to Biden - and all of the RIAA lawyers he has promoted into the DOJ...He's likely NOT on the "right" side of this issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732617</id>
	<title>Re:I'm confused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Napster. How's that workin out for ya?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Napster .
How 's that workin out for ya ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Napster.
How's that workin out for ya?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28734339</id>
	<title>Let 'em have it</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1247822040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm more than happy to cut you in on the profits.<br> <br>

How does 60\% of nothing sound to you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more than happy to cut you in on the profits .
How does 60 \ % of nothing sound to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more than happy to cut you in on the profits.
How does 60\% of nothing sound to you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732899</id>
	<title>Re:Not a big deal</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247858400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, not the worst idea.</p><p>"Dear sirs!</p><p>According to your latest logic, a song is worth 150k USD (for reference, see a few of the verdicts you paid for). So, in response to your claim for 3.6 Million USD, we send you the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files for 50 songs (hey, we feel generous today). You may leech them at your leisure.</p><p>We consider the case settled.</p><p>Regards,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , not the worst idea .
" Dear sirs ! According to your latest logic , a song is worth 150k USD ( for reference , see a few of the verdicts you paid for ) .
So , in response to your claim for 3.6 Million USD , we send you the .torrent files for 50 songs ( hey , we feel generous today ) .
You may leech them at your leisure.We consider the case settled.Regards , ... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, not the worst idea.
"Dear sirs!According to your latest logic, a song is worth 150k USD (for reference, see a few of the verdicts you paid for).
So, in response to your claim for 3.6 Million USD, we send you the .torrent files for 50 songs (hey, we feel generous today).
You may leech them at your leisure.We consider the case settled.Regards, ..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733001</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1247859000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just because someone sued and won doesn't mean its right.  This <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck\_v.\_McDonald's\_Restaurants" title="wikipedia.org">little old grandma</a> [wikipedia.org] won a similar lawsuit.  There are bad laws on the books, when was the last time you heard about a law being removed from the books?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because someone sued and won does n't mean its right .
This little old grandma [ wikipedia.org ] won a similar lawsuit .
There are bad laws on the books , when was the last time you heard about a law being removed from the books ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because someone sued and won doesn't mean its right.
This little old grandma [wikipedia.org] won a similar lawsuit.
There are bad laws on the books, when was the last time you heard about a law being removed from the books?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733385</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>amoeba1911</author>
	<datestamp>1247860980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If my grandma did what the RIAA did, I would have a diamond studded swimming pool and a solid gold humvee. Racketeering is very profitable! Unfortunately for grandma, it's also against the law so she would get caught and thrown in jail. The question is how does RIAA get away with it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If my grandma did what the RIAA did , I would have a diamond studded swimming pool and a solid gold humvee .
Racketeering is very profitable !
Unfortunately for grandma , it 's also against the law so she would get caught and thrown in jail .
The question is how does RIAA get away with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If my grandma did what the RIAA did, I would have a diamond studded swimming pool and a solid gold humvee.
Racketeering is very profitable!
Unfortunately for grandma, it's also against the law so she would get caught and thrown in jail.
The question is how does RIAA get away with it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731875</id>
	<title>which company ?</title>
	<author>dotcomguru</author>
	<datestamp>1247854200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder which company is buying ? google lol - <a href="http://www.directpro.com/" title="directpro.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.directpro.com/</a> [directpro.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder which company is buying ?
google lol - http : //www.directpro.com/ [ directpro.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder which company is buying ?
google lol - http://www.directpro.com/ [directpro.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732705</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>homes32</author>
	<datestamp>1247857680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</p></div><p>as the case is in appeal they have no claim to any money until the appeal is decided.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.as the case is in appeal they have no claim to any money until the appeal is decided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.as the case is in appeal they have no claim to any money until the appeal is decided.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</id>
	<title>They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247854440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).<br> <br>
RIAA sued Piratebay<br>
RIAA won<br>
RIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it<br> <br>

Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.  How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?  Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.  Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.  Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?<br> <br>

Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA ( i know it 's hard , but try ) .
RIAA sued Piratebay RIAA won RIAA want 's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it Now again , ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother .
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit ?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won .
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother .
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won ?
Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).
RIAA sued Piratebay
RIAA won
RIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it 

Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?
Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28735247</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>SheeEttin</author>
	<datestamp>1247826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mixed messaging? Not really. I think it states the RIAA's message pretty clearly: "GIVE US YOUR MONEY!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mixed messaging ?
Not really .
I think it states the RIAA 's message pretty clearly : " GIVE US YOUR MONEY !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mixed messaging?
Not really.
I think it states the RIAA's message pretty clearly: "GIVE US YOUR MONEY!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28737349</id>
	<title>Any PR business guys around?</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247840880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just wonder one thing. How many billions of dollars in public relations did RIAA lose with that ridiculous mp3 case and Pirate Bay case?</p><p>Calculate this way. How many billions of dollars must music industry spend in advertising, donations, public apologies to fix their image and the artists they claim to represent?</p><p>I somehow think it is impossible but I better ask anyway. It must be billions even if it is possible. Way more than couple of millions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just wonder one thing .
How many billions of dollars in public relations did RIAA lose with that ridiculous mp3 case and Pirate Bay case ? Calculate this way .
How many billions of dollars must music industry spend in advertising , donations , public apologies to fix their image and the artists they claim to represent ? I somehow think it is impossible but I better ask anyway .
It must be billions even if it is possible .
Way more than couple of millions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just wonder one thing.
How many billions of dollars in public relations did RIAA lose with that ridiculous mp3 case and Pirate Bay case?Calculate this way.
How many billions of dollars must music industry spend in advertising, donations, public apologies to fix their image and the artists they claim to represent?I somehow think it is impossible but I better ask anyway.
It must be billions even if it is possible.
Way more than couple of millions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732677</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But my grandmother's not a greedy bitch...</p><p>And she never ever tried to sell me a Supertramp "Greatest Hits" CD for $15.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But my grandmother 's not a greedy bitch...And she never ever tried to sell me a Supertramp " Greatest Hits " CD for $ 15 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But my grandmother's not a greedy bitch...And she never ever tried to sell me a Supertramp "Greatest Hits" CD for $15.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732091</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).</p></div><p>I have to admit... this is one of the better points on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. lately.<br>Can't stand RIAA, but they did win and naturally want to collect if they can.</p><p>Still... fcukers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA ( i know it 's hard , but try ) .I have to admit... this is one of the better points on / .
lately.Ca n't stand RIAA , but they did win and naturally want to collect if they can.Still... fcukers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).I have to admit... this is one of the better points on /.
lately.Can't stand RIAA, but they did win and naturally want to collect if they can.Still... fcukers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732555</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone should get a piece of the action</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1247857080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot porn.  Why does everyone forget porn?  Porn is the driving force behind thousands of years of technological and artistic advancement of mankind.  It is most amusing to me that in medical science, people try to "cut the head off of the body" and treat the mind and body as separate items.  Likewise, people constantly try to cut the penis off of the body.  Human sexuality is probably the single most defining aspect of who we are as humans whether of the male or female gender (or somewhere in between), we define ourselves by sexual identity and role and appearance and function.  Our bodies by virtue of our very biochemical make-up sends messages of attraction and arousal to our mind and body on a constant basis.  Porn is but a reflection of our humanity just as all other things are, but I hold that porn is, in fact, a tremendous, controlling and driving portion of ourselves.</p><p>The denial of porn is a costly one as Sony well understands.  Betamax, a superior technology to VHS, was killed by their denial of porn.  No other factor in the demise of Betamax was as significant as the fact that porn was only available on VHS.  Sony nearly made that same mistake with Blu-ray before someone stepped in with a history lesson.  And denying that porn is a huge part of how the internet is used is a rather powerful omission of truth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot porn .
Why does everyone forget porn ?
Porn is the driving force behind thousands of years of technological and artistic advancement of mankind .
It is most amusing to me that in medical science , people try to " cut the head off of the body " and treat the mind and body as separate items .
Likewise , people constantly try to cut the penis off of the body .
Human sexuality is probably the single most defining aspect of who we are as humans whether of the male or female gender ( or somewhere in between ) , we define ourselves by sexual identity and role and appearance and function .
Our bodies by virtue of our very biochemical make-up sends messages of attraction and arousal to our mind and body on a constant basis .
Porn is but a reflection of our humanity just as all other things are , but I hold that porn is , in fact , a tremendous , controlling and driving portion of ourselves.The denial of porn is a costly one as Sony well understands .
Betamax , a superior technology to VHS , was killed by their denial of porn .
No other factor in the demise of Betamax was as significant as the fact that porn was only available on VHS .
Sony nearly made that same mistake with Blu-ray before someone stepped in with a history lesson .
And denying that porn is a huge part of how the internet is used is a rather powerful omission of truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot porn.
Why does everyone forget porn?
Porn is the driving force behind thousands of years of technological and artistic advancement of mankind.
It is most amusing to me that in medical science, people try to "cut the head off of the body" and treat the mind and body as separate items.
Likewise, people constantly try to cut the penis off of the body.
Human sexuality is probably the single most defining aspect of who we are as humans whether of the male or female gender (or somewhere in between), we define ourselves by sexual identity and role and appearance and function.
Our bodies by virtue of our very biochemical make-up sends messages of attraction and arousal to our mind and body on a constant basis.
Porn is but a reflection of our humanity just as all other things are, but I hold that porn is, in fact, a tremendous, controlling and driving portion of ourselves.The denial of porn is a costly one as Sony well understands.
Betamax, a superior technology to VHS, was killed by their denial of porn.
No other factor in the demise of Betamax was as significant as the fact that porn was only available on VHS.
Sony nearly made that same mistake with Blu-ray before someone stepped in with a history lesson.
And denying that porn is a huge part of how the internet is used is a rather powerful omission of truth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28739523</id>
	<title>Re:News flash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247916120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... which they will eat with some fava beans and a nice Chianti...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... which they will eat with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... which they will eat with some fava beans and a nice Chianti...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733071</id>
	<title>Hmm.. I wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247859300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What would happen if they just spent all the money before anybody could get their hands on it? Especially if they spent it all on a ball pit, for disabled children. What would the music industry do then?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What would happen if they just spent all the money before anybody could get their hands on it ?
Especially if they spent it all on a ball pit , for disabled children .
What would the music industry do then ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would happen if they just spent all the money before anybody could get their hands on it?
Especially if they spent it all on a ball pit, for disabled children.
What would the music industry do then?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733243</id>
	<title>Re:question</title>
	<author>amoeba1911</author>
	<datestamp>1247860200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them.</p></div><p>It's about $23,148,855,308,184,500</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them.It 's about $ 23,148,855,308,184,500</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them.It's about $23,148,855,308,184,500
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733121</id>
	<title>Re:Scortched Earth</title>
	<author>molnarcs</author>
	<datestamp>1247859600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You want it?  Here it is.  i'd sooner destroy it than give it away.</p></div><p>
Yeah, that would surely be in line with TPBs and the Pirate Party's general philosophy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want it ?
Here it is .
i 'd sooner destroy it than give it away .
Yeah , that would surely be in line with TPBs and the Pirate Party 's general philosophy : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want it?
Here it is.
i'd sooner destroy it than give it away.
Yeah, that would surely be in line with TPBs and the Pirate Party's general philosophy :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732981</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA &amp; Artists</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247858880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're all over the board. Metallica's drummer Lars Ulrich spouted off about evil pirates (and their popularity and incomes suddenly started shrinking).</p><p>The Offspring wanted to post the entire <i>Original Prankster</i> album on their web site, but their label wouldn't let them. After the group threatened to go indie when their contract expired, the label allowed them to post one song from the album.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're all over the board .
Metallica 's drummer Lars Ulrich spouted off about evil pirates ( and their popularity and incomes suddenly started shrinking ) .The Offspring wanted to post the entire Original Prankster album on their web site , but their label would n't let them .
After the group threatened to go indie when their contract expired , the label allowed them to post one song from the album .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're all over the board.
Metallica's drummer Lars Ulrich spouted off about evil pirates (and their popularity and incomes suddenly started shrinking).The Offspring wanted to post the entire Original Prankster album on their web site, but their label wouldn't let them.
After the group threatened to go indie when their contract expired, the label allowed them to post one song from the album.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732027</id>
	<title>Re:Jesus Christ</title>
	<author>owlnation</author>
	<datestamp>1247854740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place. Set the record straight. No one in America thinks you're doing the Right Thing. Infact most everyone thinks you're doing the wrong thing.</p></div></blockquote><p>

While I agree with your sentiment, and note that the RIAA has disgracefully had free reign in the US to do what they want, it is important to note that several of the members of the RIAA have nothing to to with the US. Sony BMG is a German / Japanese company. EMI is British.<br> <br>

So I'm not sure they will care one way or another what Obama thinks or says.<br> <br>

While restricting their ability to run a protection rackets through the courts is good, the only way to really hit them is by not buying their products.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place .
Set the record straight .
No one in America thinks you 're doing the Right Thing .
Infact most everyone thinks you 're doing the wrong thing .
While I agree with your sentiment , and note that the RIAA has disgracefully had free reign in the US to do what they want , it is important to note that several of the members of the RIAA have nothing to to with the US .
Sony BMG is a German / Japanese company .
EMI is British .
So I 'm not sure they will care one way or another what Obama thinks or says .
While restricting their ability to run a protection rackets through the courts is good , the only way to really hit them is by not buying their products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place.
Set the record straight.
No one in America thinks you're doing the Right Thing.
Infact most everyone thinks you're doing the wrong thing.
While I agree with your sentiment, and note that the RIAA has disgracefully had free reign in the US to do what they want, it is important to note that several of the members of the RIAA have nothing to to with the US.
Sony BMG is a German / Japanese company.
EMI is British.
So I'm not sure they will care one way or another what Obama thinks or says.
While restricting their ability to run a protection rackets through the courts is good, the only way to really hit them is by not buying their products.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28744551</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247925000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So who can I sue over this financial economic disaster? Certainly lots of innocent people have lost BIG money and lots of guilty people were made rich by it. Right doesn't make might.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So who can I sue over this financial economic disaster ?
Certainly lots of innocent people have lost BIG money and lots of guilty people were made rich by it .
Right does n't make might .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So who can I sue over this financial economic disaster?
Certainly lots of innocent people have lost BIG money and lots of guilty people were made rich by it.
Right doesn't make might.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28757921</id>
	<title>Re:News flash</title>
	<author>xmvince</author>
	<datestamp>1248112560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL, yeah and I want a cut of some of the shit they are smokin - and i know it aint weed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL , yeah and I want a cut of some of the shit they are smokin - and i know it aint weed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL, yeah and I want a cut of some of the shit they are smokin - and i know it aint weed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732199</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).</p><p>RIAA sued Piratebay</p><p>RIAA won</p><p>RIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it</p><p>Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.  How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?  Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.  Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.  Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?</p><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</p></div><p>Actually, isn't one of the big points of the case that they sued the *makers* of the pirate bay, not the pirate bay itself?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA ( i know it 's hard , but try ) .RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want 's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itNow again , ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother .
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit ?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won .
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother .
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won ? Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.Actually , is n't one of the big points of the case that they sued the * makers * of the pirate bay , not the pirate bay itself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itNow again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.Actually, isn't one of the big points of the case that they sued the *makers* of the pirate bay, not the pirate bay itself?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731599</id>
	<title>They are going to rename it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hall Monitor Baby Pool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hall Monitor Baby Pool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hall Monitor Baby Pool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28734151</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1247821260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>or swap RIAA for say your grandmother</p></div><p>Owww, now I hate my grandmother!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>or swap RIAA for say your grandmotherOwww , now I hate my grandmother !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or swap RIAA for say your grandmotherOwww, now I hate my grandmother!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732447</id>
	<title>Re:Not just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247856540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, no problem. It's an imaginary sale, so I will pay it with imaginary money.<br>Here: <a href="http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/idiocracy\_money.jpg" title="underconsideration.com">http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/idiocracy\_money.jpg</a> [underconsideration.com]<br>Get rich! ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , no problem .
It 's an imaginary sale , so I will pay it with imaginary money.Here : http : //www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/idiocracy \ _money.jpg [ underconsideration.com ] Get rich !
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, no problem.
It's an imaginary sale, so I will pay it with imaginary money.Here: http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/idiocracy\_money.jpg [underconsideration.com]Get rich!
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732279</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When my grandmother <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/19028/20090423/" title="thelocal.se" rel="nofollow">judge shops to get one of its flunkes to preside over the case</a> [thelocal.se], then I'll listen to your argument.</p><p>Now before you say that <a href="http://www.appscout.com/2009/06/swedish\_court\_pirate\_bay\_judge.php" title="appscout.com" rel="nofollow">the court dismissed that claim</a> [appscout.com], notice the last line: "Pirate Bay went on to accuse Judge Eka of commiserating with lawyers for the Motion Picture Association of America and the IFPI." In other words, Fox B says it's OK for Fox A to guard the hen house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When my grandmother judge shops to get one of its flunkes to preside over the case [ thelocal.se ] , then I 'll listen to your argument.Now before you say that the court dismissed that claim [ appscout.com ] , notice the last line : " Pirate Bay went on to accuse Judge Eka of commiserating with lawyers for the Motion Picture Association of America and the IFPI .
" In other words , Fox B says it 's OK for Fox A to guard the hen house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When my grandmother judge shops to get one of its flunkes to preside over the case [thelocal.se], then I'll listen to your argument.Now before you say that the court dismissed that claim [appscout.com], notice the last line: "Pirate Bay went on to accuse Judge Eka of commiserating with lawyers for the Motion Picture Association of America and the IFPI.
" In other words, Fox B says it's OK for Fox A to guard the hen house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733529</id>
	<title>Re:Who downloads music</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1247861640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, how about Albums at minimum compression? Or in lossless formats (at least un-reduced CD quality)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , how about Albums at minimum compression ?
Or in lossless formats ( at least un-reduced CD quality )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, how about Albums at minimum compression?
Or in lossless formats (at least un-reduced CD quality)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733013</id>
	<title>And when are these various governments...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247859060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..so called "justice" authority dweebs going to investigate the music and movie industry for widescale and ongoing racketeering, for collusion and price fixing and so on? What they want for a cheap bit of stamped plastic or a digital download is beyond ludicrous, and is really only explainable by the industry as a whole maintaining the illusion that somehow, especially as regards digital bits transferred on the internet, that there is a "scarcity" of copies that would result in such high prices, which everyone knows is blatantly false.</p><p>Letting them get away with this and legislating technological luddism into law will *really* bite humanity once we have tangible replicator tech down better. This precedent with enforced artificial scarcity and ludicrous "per unit" prices that seek to mimic charges back when it actually took a lot of resources to make additional copies is *nuts*.</p><p>Sure, there are production costs of X for this or that music or movie, but then they fail at making the copies that could be much cheaper "legally" available. A dollar for less than a penny's worth of bandwith for a tune, and not much more for a movie when they want 10 or 20 bucks for a few gigs of data bits transferred down the tubes is blatant price gouging, no way around that, and "regional" pricing and restrictions are even more unfair. It's not only an unfair and quite *stupid* business practice**, but they created a serious adversarial condition with their customers on purpose to pull this off. Economies of scale, selling millions and millions more copies for cheaper, would have basically nipped so called "piracy" in the bud years ago, and maintained profitability at the same time.</p><p>**Having been in both areas professionally before, all I can say is it is THE most chronically drunken and drug abusing industry out there I have ever been exposed to, generally speaking of course. I think that might help explain these stupid decisions they make all the time. It doesn't explain all of it, but a lot of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..so called " justice " authority dweebs going to investigate the music and movie industry for widescale and ongoing racketeering , for collusion and price fixing and so on ?
What they want for a cheap bit of stamped plastic or a digital download is beyond ludicrous , and is really only explainable by the industry as a whole maintaining the illusion that somehow , especially as regards digital bits transferred on the internet , that there is a " scarcity " of copies that would result in such high prices , which everyone knows is blatantly false.Letting them get away with this and legislating technological luddism into law will * really * bite humanity once we have tangible replicator tech down better .
This precedent with enforced artificial scarcity and ludicrous " per unit " prices that seek to mimic charges back when it actually took a lot of resources to make additional copies is * nuts * .Sure , there are production costs of X for this or that music or movie , but then they fail at making the copies that could be much cheaper " legally " available .
A dollar for less than a penny 's worth of bandwith for a tune , and not much more for a movie when they want 10 or 20 bucks for a few gigs of data bits transferred down the tubes is blatant price gouging , no way around that , and " regional " pricing and restrictions are even more unfair .
It 's not only an unfair and quite * stupid * business practice * * , but they created a serious adversarial condition with their customers on purpose to pull this off .
Economies of scale , selling millions and millions more copies for cheaper , would have basically nipped so called " piracy " in the bud years ago , and maintained profitability at the same time .
* * Having been in both areas professionally before , all I can say is it is THE most chronically drunken and drug abusing industry out there I have ever been exposed to , generally speaking of course .
I think that might help explain these stupid decisions they make all the time .
It does n't explain all of it , but a lot of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..so called "justice" authority dweebs going to investigate the music and movie industry for widescale and ongoing racketeering, for collusion and price fixing and so on?
What they want for a cheap bit of stamped plastic or a digital download is beyond ludicrous, and is really only explainable by the industry as a whole maintaining the illusion that somehow, especially as regards digital bits transferred on the internet, that there is a "scarcity" of copies that would result in such high prices, which everyone knows is blatantly false.Letting them get away with this and legislating technological luddism into law will *really* bite humanity once we have tangible replicator tech down better.
This precedent with enforced artificial scarcity and ludicrous "per unit" prices that seek to mimic charges back when it actually took a lot of resources to make additional copies is *nuts*.Sure, there are production costs of X for this or that music or movie, but then they fail at making the copies that could be much cheaper "legally" available.
A dollar for less than a penny's worth of bandwith for a tune, and not much more for a movie when they want 10 or 20 bucks for a few gigs of data bits transferred down the tubes is blatant price gouging, no way around that, and "regional" pricing and restrictions are even more unfair.
It's not only an unfair and quite *stupid* business practice**, but they created a serious adversarial condition with their customers on purpose to pull this off.
Economies of scale, selling millions and millions more copies for cheaper, would have basically nipped so called "piracy" in the bud years ago, and maintained profitability at the same time.
**Having been in both areas professionally before, all I can say is it is THE most chronically drunken and drug abusing industry out there I have ever been exposed to, generally speaking of course.
I think that might help explain these stupid decisions they make all the time.
It doesn't explain all of it, but a lot of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733427</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>u-235-sentinel</author>
	<datestamp>1247861220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).</p><p>Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.  How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?  Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.  Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.  Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>Now swap the supermarket with the RIAA and the grandmother with YOUR grandmother.  Now imagine the RIAA suing YOUR grandmother even though she doesn't own a computer.  How supportive of this are you when they go to court and harass her with a lawsuit?</p><p>Hate them or love them.  They are suing everyone because they need more money.  Innocent or not, someday it could be you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA ( i know it 's hard , but try ) .Now again , ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother .
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit ?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won .
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother .
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won ?
.Now swap the supermarket with the RIAA and the grandmother with YOUR grandmother .
Now imagine the RIAA suing YOUR grandmother even though she does n't own a computer .
How supportive of this are you when they go to court and harass her with a lawsuit ? Hate them or love them .
They are suing everyone because they need more money .
Innocent or not , someday it could be you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA - or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.
How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?
Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?
.Now swap the supermarket with the RIAA and the grandmother with YOUR grandmother.
Now imagine the RIAA suing YOUR grandmother even though she doesn't own a computer.
How supportive of this are you when they go to court and harass her with a lawsuit?Hate them or love them.
They are suing everyone because they need more money.
Innocent or not, someday it could be you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731737</id>
	<title>question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please explain why anyone would pay money for a customer base that doesn't like to pay money for media?</p><p>Also $3.6m seems pretty cheap, here in the US I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please explain why anyone would pay money for a customer base that does n't like to pay money for media ? Also $ 3.6m seems pretty cheap , here in the US I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please explain why anyone would pay money for a customer base that doesn't like to pay money for media?Also $3.6m seems pretty cheap, here in the US I lost track of how many trillions of dollars the RIAA insists everyone owes them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732179</id>
	<title>Scortched Earth</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1247855400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If i were tPB guys, i would have deleted everything, including the backups and burned all the remaining hardware and swag.  You want it?  Here it is.  i'd sooner destroy it than give it away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If i were tPB guys , i would have deleted everything , including the backups and burned all the remaining hardware and swag .
You want it ?
Here it is .
i 'd sooner destroy it than give it away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If i were tPB guys, i would have deleted everything, including the backups and burned all the remaining hardware and swag.
You want it?
Here it is.
i'd sooner destroy it than give it away.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732269</id>
	<title>They want a cut of everything.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247855820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't mean they will get it. ^^</p><p>Film at 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't mean they will get it .
^ ^ Film at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't mean they will get it.
^^Film at 11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28735123</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1247825580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>don't bother, logic never works with RIAA shills.  mother, grandmother, they will kneecap them both.</htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't bother , logic never works with RIAA shills .
mother , grandmother , they will kneecap them both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't bother, logic never works with RIAA shills.
mother, grandmother, they will kneecap them both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732925</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1247858580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, no. Just because they won a rigged court case doesn't mean they're entitled to the "settlement". I hope TPB succeeds in screwing them out of the cash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , no .
Just because they won a rigged court case does n't mean they 're entitled to the " settlement " .
I hope TPB succeeds in screwing them out of the cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, no.
Just because they won a rigged court case doesn't mean they're entitled to the "settlement".
I hope TPB succeeds in screwing them out of the cash.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731771</id>
	<title>Re:I'm confused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the bay ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the bay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the bay ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731623</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28735249</id>
	<title>Re:What will happen to the tracker?</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1247826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I came across this recently, though I haven't used it yet.</p><p><a href="http://openbittorrent.com/" title="openbittorrent.com">http://openbittorrent.com/</a> [openbittorrent.com]</p><p>An open tracker, and they don't know what they are tracking since they don't host the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I came across this recently , though I have n't used it yet.http : //openbittorrent.com/ [ openbittorrent.com ] An open tracker , and they do n't know what they are tracking since they do n't host the .torrent files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I came across this recently, though I haven't used it yet.http://openbittorrent.com/ [openbittorrent.com]An open tracker, and they don't know what they are tracking since they don't host the .torrent files.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733055</id>
	<title>Your grandmother is a monster!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247859180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If my grandma acted like the RIAA I would condemn her too...</p><p>Are you saying that if your grandmother ran around like a mobster abusing the law to bludgeon people who don't have the money to defend themselves in this country's fsked up courts you would be ok with that because she's your grandma?  If so you are either immorally loyal or a poster child for Might-Makes-Right when you are the one with might.</p><p>Either way I can't respect your argument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If my grandma acted like the RIAA I would condemn her too...Are you saying that if your grandmother ran around like a mobster abusing the law to bludgeon people who do n't have the money to defend themselves in this country 's fsked up courts you would be ok with that because she 's your grandma ?
If so you are either immorally loyal or a poster child for Might-Makes-Right when you are the one with might.Either way I ca n't respect your argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If my grandma acted like the RIAA I would condemn her too...Are you saying that if your grandmother ran around like a mobster abusing the law to bludgeon people who don't have the money to defend themselves in this country's fsked up courts you would be ok with that because she's your grandma?
If so you are either immorally loyal or a poster child for Might-Makes-Right when you are the one with might.Either way I can't respect your argument.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732939</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247858640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its civil disobedience. As my deceased Step-dad said, "those are man's laws", not "Gods laws".  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa\_Parks" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Rosa Parks</a> [wikipedia.org] broke the law and it changed! I would attend any rally denouncing the RIAA. Just tell me where. Its the twinkie syndrome. (citation needed)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its civil disobedience .
As my deceased Step-dad said , " those are man 's laws " , not " Gods laws " .
Rosa Parks [ wikipedia.org ] broke the law and it changed !
I would attend any rally denouncing the RIAA .
Just tell me where .
Its the twinkie syndrome .
( citation needed )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its civil disobedience.
As my deceased Step-dad said, "those are man's laws", not "Gods laws".
Rosa Parks [wikipedia.org] broke the law and it changed!
I would attend any rally denouncing the RIAA.
Just tell me where.
Its the twinkie syndrome.
(citation needed)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732723</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1247857740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</p></div><p>Sorry, no.</p><p>According to your logic, someone convicted in, say, a chinese, iranian or afghanistan/Taliban court deserves to get whatever it is (death, probably). Ignore your hatred for these regimes for a moment! The prosecutors won a lawsuit and they should get to execute the punishment they won.</p><p>Taint spreads. In this case, from the case to the debt owed. It is still unjust, end of story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.Sorry , no.According to your logic , someone convicted in , say , a chinese , iranian or afghanistan/Taliban court deserves to get whatever it is ( death , probably ) .
Ignore your hatred for these regimes for a moment !
The prosecutors won a lawsuit and they should get to execute the punishment they won.Taint spreads .
In this case , from the case to the debt owed .
It is still unjust , end of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.Sorry, no.According to your logic, someone convicted in, say, a chinese, iranian or afghanistan/Taliban court deserves to get whatever it is (death, probably).
Ignore your hatred for these regimes for a moment!
The prosecutors won a lawsuit and they should get to execute the punishment they won.Taint spreads.
In this case, from the case to the debt owed.
It is still unjust, end of story.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732329</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).</p><p>Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?</p> </div><p>Ignoring for a moment my hatred for RIAA/MPAA, it's not such a bad thing. Thinking about it, if I ignored my hatred for Pol Pot for a moment, he probably could appear to be quite a nice guy--until I stopped ignoring my hatred for him, of course. Now where were we?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA ( i know it 's hard , but try ) .Now again , ignore your hatred of the RIAA ... How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit ?
Ignoring for a moment my hatred for RIAA/MPAA , it 's not such a bad thing .
Thinking about it , if I ignored my hatred for Pol Pot for a moment , he probably could appear to be quite a nice guy--until I stopped ignoring my hatred for him , of course .
Now where were we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignore for a moment your hatred for RIAA/MPAA (i know it's hard, but try).Now again, ignore your hatred of the RIAA ... How is this such a bad thing that the RIAA wants the money they won in a lawsuit?
Ignoring for a moment my hatred for RIAA/MPAA, it's not such a bad thing.
Thinking about it, if I ignored my hatred for Pol Pot for a moment, he probably could appear to be quite a nice guy--until I stopped ignoring my hatred for him, of course.
Now where were we?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731575</id>
	<title>Paying to Pirate</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1247852940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet they are planning on introducing "paid subscriptions" to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media. Which would be pretty bad, since why the hell would I pay to torrent if I could pay for Usenet access and download anything I want at decent speeds?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet they are planning on introducing " paid subscriptions " to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media .
Which would be pretty bad , since why the hell would I pay to torrent if I could pay for Usenet access and download anything I want at decent speeds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet they are planning on introducing "paid subscriptions" to cover the money needed to please the owners of the media.
Which would be pretty bad, since why the hell would I pay to torrent if I could pay for Usenet access and download anything I want at decent speeds?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28737707</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Pokey.Clyde</author>
	<datestamp>1247844300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I don't disagree with you, just let me congratulate you on Godwinning a thread about TPB and the RIAA!</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I do n't disagree with you , just let me congratulate you on Godwinning a thread about TPB and the RIAA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I don't disagree with you, just let me congratulate you on Godwinning a thread about TPB and the RIAA!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732469</id>
	<title>Re:Jesus Christ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama's not available at this time. He's touring a slave outpost in Ghana.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama 's not available at this time .
He 's touring a slave outpost in Ghana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama's not available at this time.
He's touring a slave outpost in Ghana.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732941</id>
	<title>Re:question</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247858640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Numerous surveys show that pirates buy far more music than non-pirates. The "people who pirate music won't buy it" is a myth perpetrated by the lying bastards in the RIAA and IFPI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Numerous surveys show that pirates buy far more music than non-pirates .
The " people who pirate music wo n't buy it " is a myth perpetrated by the lying bastards in the RIAA and IFPI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Numerous surveys show that pirates buy far more music than non-pirates.
The "people who pirate music won't buy it" is a myth perpetrated by the lying bastards in the RIAA and IFPI.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731551</id>
	<title>Not just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247852820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't want  just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale; they want a cut of your salary for the music they think you should have bought. And they think that amount should increase each year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't want just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale ; they want a cut of your salary for the music they think you should have bought .
And they think that amount should increase each year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't want  just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale; they want a cut of your salary for the music they think you should have bought.
And they think that amount should increase each year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731505</id>
	<title>Jesus Christ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247852640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place. Set the record straight. No one in America thinks you're doing the Right Thing. Infact most everyone thinks you're doing the wrong thing.</p><p>I'm speaking generally about the RIAA's whole epic journey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place .
Set the record straight .
No one in America thinks you 're doing the Right Thing .
Infact most everyone thinks you 're doing the wrong thing.I 'm speaking generally about the RIAA 's whole epic journey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need Obama on national television to verbally put these guys in their place.
Set the record straight.
No one in America thinks you're doing the Right Thing.
Infact most everyone thinks you're doing the wrong thing.I'm speaking generally about the RIAA's whole epic journey.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732931</id>
	<title>Re:Similarly...</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247858580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? 'cause the law says so?</p><p>If the law is faulty, following it makes you wrong, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
'cause the law says so ? If the law is faulty , following it makes you wrong , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
'cause the law says so?If the law is faulty, following it makes you wrong, too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733079</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>steelcaress</author>
	<datestamp>1247859360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that assumes that the judicial system works.  That also assumes that the RIAA played fair instead of fast and loose with the facts.  Time has shown that one of these two statements is sometimes true, but bothe of these statements are never true.

The RIAA has
1) Consistently misrepresented facts as to lost sales
2) Consistently overvalued their losses as pertains to a single defendant
3) Consistently asked for secrecy to cover up their lies above, citing trade secrets.

A lawsuit won by those means should not be rewarded -- it should instead be punished</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that assumes that the judicial system works .
That also assumes that the RIAA played fair instead of fast and loose with the facts .
Time has shown that one of these two statements is sometimes true , but bothe of these statements are never true .
The RIAA has 1 ) Consistently misrepresented facts as to lost sales 2 ) Consistently overvalued their losses as pertains to a single defendant 3 ) Consistently asked for secrecy to cover up their lies above , citing trade secrets .
A lawsuit won by those means should not be rewarded -- it should instead be punished</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that assumes that the judicial system works.
That also assumes that the RIAA played fair instead of fast and loose with the facts.
Time has shown that one of these two statements is sometimes true, but bothe of these statements are never true.
The RIAA has
1) Consistently misrepresented facts as to lost sales
2) Consistently overvalued their losses as pertains to a single defendant
3) Consistently asked for secrecy to cover up their lies above, citing trade secrets.
A lawsuit won by those means should not be rewarded -- it should instead be punished</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732539</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1247857020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.</p></div><p>Great! So I can put the RIAA in an old folks home and get power of attorney over them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.Great !
So I can put the RIAA in an old folks home and get power of attorney over them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or swap RIAA for say your grandmother.Great!
So I can put the RIAA in an old folks home and get power of attorney over them?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731749</id>
	<title>Not a big deal</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1247853660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$3.6 million?  If each song is worth like $150k, what is that, like 25 songs?  Just send the RIAA a coupon for a free download of <i>Thriller</i> and <i>The Wall</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 3.6 million ?
If each song is worth like $ 150k , what is that , like 25 songs ?
Just send the RIAA a coupon for a free download of Thriller and The Wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$3.6 million?
If each song is worth like $150k, what is that, like 25 songs?
Just send the RIAA a coupon for a free download of Thriller and The Wall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733475</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1247861460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I could go on"</p><p>No you can't. You Godwin'd. All done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I could go on " No you ca n't .
You Godwin 'd .
All done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I could go on"No you can't.
You Godwin'd.
All done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28735671</id>
	<title>Re:Similarly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247829360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear god! I hope this post was meant to be a piss-take?!</p><p>You don't really think there was a man called <i>Braveheart</i> do you? Do you actually think a landowner, a nobleman himself, nephew the sheriff of Ayrshire hand to hand his wife (which I wasn't aware he even had by the way) over to any Englishmen?</p><p>We Scots had a shite time of it from the English for hundreds of years - but sensationalist, glorified crap like that film have done nothing to serve us and have inspired nowt but xenophobia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear god !
I hope this post was meant to be a piss-take ?
! You do n't really think there was a man called Braveheart do you ?
Do you actually think a landowner , a nobleman himself , nephew the sheriff of Ayrshire hand to hand his wife ( which I was n't aware he even had by the way ) over to any Englishmen ? We Scots had a shite time of it from the English for hundreds of years - but sensationalist , glorified crap like that film have done nothing to serve us and have inspired nowt but xenophobia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear god!
I hope this post was meant to be a piss-take?
!You don't really think there was a man called Braveheart do you?
Do you actually think a landowner, a nobleman himself, nephew the sheriff of Ayrshire hand to hand his wife (which I wasn't aware he even had by the way) over to any Englishmen?We Scots had a shite time of it from the English for hundreds of years - but sensationalist, glorified crap like that film have done nothing to serve us and have inspired nowt but xenophobia.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731729</id>
	<title>Easy Money</title>
	<author>Caue</author>
	<datestamp>1247853540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since I never downloaded any music from the internet *cough* I should be rewarded as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I never downloaded any music from the internet * cough * I should be rewarded as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I never downloaded any music from the internet *cough* I should be rewarded as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732295</id>
	<title>Similarly...</title>
	<author>gerf</author>
	<datestamp>1247855940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hate them or love them, the English nobles were entitled to First Night with Scottish women.  Braveheart and his wife did not follow the law, and she paid the price after being found guilty.  According to your logic, there is no moral argument once a government makes a ruling.
</p><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won and they should get what they are owed...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate them or love them , the English nobles were entitled to First Night with Scottish women .
Braveheart and his wife did not follow the law , and she paid the price after being found guilty .
According to your logic , there is no moral argument once a government makes a ruling .
Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won and they should get what they are owed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate them or love them, the English nobles were entitled to First Night with Scottish women.
Braveheart and his wife did not follow the law, and she paid the price after being found guilty.
According to your logic, there is no moral argument once a government makes a ruling.
Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won and they should get what they are owed...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731537</id>
	<title>I got lucky!</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1247852760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a good thing I  pirated a copy of the Pirate Bay, otherwise my money would end up going to the music industry!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a good thing I pirated a copy of the Pirate Bay , otherwise my money would end up going to the music industry !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a good thing I  pirated a copy of the Pirate Bay, otherwise my money would end up going to the music industry!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733865</id>
	<title>Re:Paying to Pirate</title>
	<author>Trahloc</author>
	<datestamp>1247863200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, few people are opposed to compensating creators directly.  It's indirectly via known bad vectors like the XXAA's.  Besides, what have they done to earn compensation for when someone downloads a *nix distro off tpb?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , few people are opposed to compensating creators directly .
It 's indirectly via known bad vectors like the XXAA 's .
Besides , what have they done to earn compensation for when someone downloads a * nix distro off tpb ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, few people are opposed to compensating creators directly.
It's indirectly via known bad vectors like the XXAA's.
Besides, what have they done to earn compensation for when someone downloads a *nix distro off tpb?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732303</id>
	<title>Not at all</title>
	<author>-kyz</author>
	<datestamp>1247855940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The IFPI sued the Pirate Bay, not the MPAA.</p><p>The IFPI won an initial judgement. There are still a whole boatload of appeals to go before the Pirate Bay is required to give any money to the IFPI.</p><p>But the IFPI don't really want reparations; what they <i>do</i> want is for millions of people to give up pirating music. In order to do that, they have to give all those people the impression that they will be <b>mercilessly crushed by the law</b> if they dare infringe copyrights.</p><p>That's why the personal friend of the music industry (the judge) hit them with a huge initial fine, and the entire news media (owned by the same people who own the music industry) disseminated the fact of the huge fine as widely as the could muster.</p><p>At the end of the day, it's not really about the Pirate Bay. It's about YOU, the average consumer. The IFPI are driven by a need to control you. If they can't make you love them, they'll make you <b>fear</b> them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The IFPI sued the Pirate Bay , not the MPAA.The IFPI won an initial judgement .
There are still a whole boatload of appeals to go before the Pirate Bay is required to give any money to the IFPI.But the IFPI do n't really want reparations ; what they do want is for millions of people to give up pirating music .
In order to do that , they have to give all those people the impression that they will be mercilessly crushed by the law if they dare infringe copyrights.That 's why the personal friend of the music industry ( the judge ) hit them with a huge initial fine , and the entire news media ( owned by the same people who own the music industry ) disseminated the fact of the huge fine as widely as the could muster.At the end of the day , it 's not really about the Pirate Bay .
It 's about YOU , the average consumer .
The IFPI are driven by a need to control you .
If they ca n't make you love them , they 'll make you fear them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The IFPI sued the Pirate Bay, not the MPAA.The IFPI won an initial judgement.
There are still a whole boatload of appeals to go before the Pirate Bay is required to give any money to the IFPI.But the IFPI don't really want reparations; what they do want is for millions of people to give up pirating music.
In order to do that, they have to give all those people the impression that they will be mercilessly crushed by the law if they dare infringe copyrights.That's why the personal friend of the music industry (the judge) hit them with a huge initial fine, and the entire news media (owned by the same people who own the music industry) disseminated the fact of the huge fine as widely as the could muster.At the end of the day, it's not really about the Pirate Bay.
It's about YOU, the average consumer.
The IFPI are driven by a need to control you.
If they can't make you love them, they'll make you fear them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732239</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>OutSourcingIsTreason</author>
	<datestamp>1247855700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well what if granny planted an obviously biased judge who found for her and as a result the case is being appealed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well what if granny planted an obviously biased judge who found for her and as a result the case is being appealed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well what if granny planted an obviously biased judge who found for her and as a result the case is being appealed?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732171</id>
	<title>Who downloads music</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF but why would you bother with bittorrent for mp3's. It makes more sense that the movie industry would want a cut, or even the software industry. I mean really what's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF but why would you bother with bittorrent for mp3 's .
It makes more sense that the movie industry would want a cut , or even the software industry .
I mean really what 's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF but why would you bother with bittorrent for mp3's.
It makes more sense that the movie industry would want a cut, or even the software industry.
I mean really what's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731503</id>
	<title>News flash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247852640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731661</id>
	<title>Its not their money.</title>
	<author>wjh31</author>
	<datestamp>1247853300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"should the sale go through, music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money."
<br> <br>
But from <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/20364/20090630/" title="thelocal.se">http://www.thelocal.se/20364/20090630/</a> [thelocal.se] in the linked<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article:
<br> <br>
"...the money would not reach their pockets.
<br> <br>
Rather, he said, the money would be used to create a fund to develop other internet projects."
<br> <br>
Also surely they cannot intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" should the sale go through , music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money .
" But from http : //www.thelocal.se/20364/20090630/ [ thelocal.se ] in the linked / .
article : " ...the money would not reach their pockets .
Rather , he said , the money would be used to create a fund to develop other internet projects .
" Also surely they can not intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"should the sale go through, music execs know that the original Pirate Bay operators have access to the money.
"
 
But from http://www.thelocal.se/20364/20090630/ [thelocal.se] in the linked /.
article:
 
"...the money would not reach their pockets.
Rather, he said, the money would be used to create a fund to develop other internet projects.
"
 
Also surely they cannot intervene to collect the awarded money when there is still an appeal pending.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28738469</id>
	<title>Butterfly in a Coffee Mug</title>
	<author>orngjce223</author>
	<datestamp>1247855280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that the *AAs are trying to catch a butterfly in a coffee mug here.  It's impossible, and everyone knows it, but they still prefer to flail around like this than give up and acknowledge that the market has changed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that the * AAs are trying to catch a butterfly in a coffee mug here .
It 's impossible , and everyone knows it , but they still prefer to flail around like this than give up and acknowledge that the market has changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that the *AAs are trying to catch a butterfly in a coffee mug here.
It's impossible, and everyone knows it, but they still prefer to flail around like this than give up and acknowledge that the market has changed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732229</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won. Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother. Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Because my mother didn't win anything. My <i>grand</i>mother won the lawsuit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won .
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother .
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won ?
Because my mother did n't win anything .
My grandmother won the lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket and won.
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.
Why would you object to your mother trying to claim the money she won?
Because my mother didn't win anything.
My grandmother won the lawsuit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732695</id>
	<title>I don't get it</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1247857680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, taking out of the equation the emotional responses of 'those bastards', but legally why wouldn't they? In fact, is it not now the responsibility of the buying company to aquire all debts so aren't they now directly on the hook for it? Aren't debts and liabilities part of what you buy as if they were assets that come along with the company?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , taking out of the equation the emotional responses of 'those bastards ' , but legally why would n't they ?
In fact , is it not now the responsibility of the buying company to aquire all debts so are n't they now directly on the hook for it ?
Are n't debts and liabilities part of what you buy as if they were assets that come along with the company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, taking out of the equation the emotional responses of 'those bastards', but legally why wouldn't they?
In fact, is it not now the responsibility of the buying company to aquire all debts so aren't they now directly on the hook for it?
Aren't debts and liabilities part of what you buy as if they were assets that come along with the company?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731623</id>
	<title>I'm confused</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1247853060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If you liked free music, you're going to LOVE paying for it!"</p><p>Is this making sense to anyone? What is the Pirate Bay without the pirates?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you liked free music , you 're going to LOVE paying for it !
" Is this making sense to anyone ?
What is the Pirate Bay without the pirates ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you liked free music, you're going to LOVE paying for it!
"Is this making sense to anyone?
What is the Pirate Bay without the pirates?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731651</id>
	<title>Re:I'm confused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disney World.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disney World .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disney World.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732241</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>IgnoramusMaximus</author>
	<datestamp>1247855700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</p></div></blockquote><p>The central flaw in any such "legalistic" arguments is an unspoken assumption that winning a lawsuit makes one "right" by definition. Well then, instead of your biased substitution of a "grandmother" for the RIAA, let's try some others:
</p><p>"The NAZIs accused a man of being a "subversive" Jew, a NAZI court agreed (yes they did have "lawsuits" in some of these cases), NAZIs won (no surprise there), NAZIs want their Jew before he runs off to somewhere they can't get him and all of his possessions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..." or try this, closer to home: "A slave escaped a Southern plantation and manages to make his way to Canada, the plantation owner finds out that his escape was helped by someone with US holdings, he sues that person, he wins, and now wants his money before the person in question tries to run off with the money...."
</p><p>I could go on, but this should be enough to show you the basic truth: "legal" and "right" are not necessarily (and in recent years, increasingly ever more rarely) the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.The central flaw in any such " legalistic " arguments is an unspoken assumption that winning a lawsuit makes one " right " by definition .
Well then , instead of your biased substitution of a " grandmother " for the RIAA , let 's try some others : " The NAZIs accused a man of being a " subversive " Jew , a NAZI court agreed ( yes they did have " lawsuits " in some of these cases ) , NAZIs won ( no surprise there ) , NAZIs want their Jew before he runs off to somewhere they ca n't get him and all of his possessions ... " or try this , closer to home : " A slave escaped a Southern plantation and manages to make his way to Canada , the plantation owner finds out that his escape was helped by someone with US holdings , he sues that person , he wins , and now wants his money before the person in question tries to run off with the money.... " I could go on , but this should be enough to show you the basic truth : " legal " and " right " are not necessarily ( and in recent years , increasingly ever more rarely ) the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.The central flaw in any such "legalistic" arguments is an unspoken assumption that winning a lawsuit makes one "right" by definition.
Well then, instead of your biased substitution of a "grandmother" for the RIAA, let's try some others:
"The NAZIs accused a man of being a "subversive" Jew, a NAZI court agreed (yes they did have "lawsuits" in some of these cases), NAZIs won (no surprise there), NAZIs want their Jew before he runs off to somewhere they can't get him and all of his possessions ..." or try this, closer to home: "A slave escaped a Southern plantation and manages to make his way to Canada, the plantation owner finds out that his escape was helped by someone with US holdings, he sues that person, he wins, and now wants his money before the person in question tries to run off with the money...."
I could go on, but this should be enough to show you the basic truth: "legal" and "right" are not necessarily (and in recent years, increasingly ever more rarely) the same.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732963</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247858760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they sue Pirate Bay into oblivion for enabling illegal music downloading...</p><p>Pirate Bay gets bought out and decides to go Legit...</p><p>So they then sue the bejesus out of Legit Pirate Bay, effectively putting it out of business...</p><p>Repeat.</p><p>Seems like mixed messaging to me. I understand their rational for doing it (the owners of Pirate Bay actually making a profit from what the RIAA feel are ill gotten gains), but I don't think they are really looking at the big picture.</p><p>Not that I am surprised at all.</p><p>As much lobby money as they might have, people grow up and eventually vote, at which point they are fcsked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they sue Pirate Bay into oblivion for enabling illegal music downloading...Pirate Bay gets bought out and decides to go Legit...So they then sue the bejesus out of Legit Pirate Bay , effectively putting it out of business...Repeat.Seems like mixed messaging to me .
I understand their rational for doing it ( the owners of Pirate Bay actually making a profit from what the RIAA feel are ill gotten gains ) , but I do n't think they are really looking at the big picture.Not that I am surprised at all.As much lobby money as they might have , people grow up and eventually vote , at which point they are fcsked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they sue Pirate Bay into oblivion for enabling illegal music downloading...Pirate Bay gets bought out and decides to go Legit...So they then sue the bejesus out of Legit Pirate Bay, effectively putting it out of business...Repeat.Seems like mixed messaging to me.
I understand their rational for doing it (the owners of Pirate Bay actually making a profit from what the RIAA feel are ill gotten gains), but I don't think they are really looking at the big picture.Not that I am surprised at all.As much lobby money as they might have, people grow up and eventually vote, at which point they are fcsked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732009</id>
	<title>Re:Not just a cut of the Pirate Bay sale</title>
	<author>Freetardo Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1247854680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this part of the new Obama stimulus plan?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this part of the new Obama stimulus plan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this part of the new Obama stimulus plan?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732293</id>
	<title>A better example of this is SCO</title>
	<author>StevenMaurer</author>
	<datestamp>1247855940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Novell sued SCO for the money SCO got in licensing their own products<br>Novell won<br>Novell wants their money before SCO tries to "sell" their assets to a buyer that is nothing but a sham front company for SCO.</p><p>According to groklaw, this is exactly what is going on right now.</p><p>The thing about the law is that it is supposed to operate equally for everybody.  And it actually does - when all the parties are rich.   For whatever else you want to believe, the PirateBay is not poor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Novell sued SCO for the money SCO got in licensing their own productsNovell wonNovell wants their money before SCO tries to " sell " their assets to a buyer that is nothing but a sham front company for SCO.According to groklaw , this is exactly what is going on right now.The thing about the law is that it is supposed to operate equally for everybody .
And it actually does - when all the parties are rich .
For whatever else you want to believe , the PirateBay is not poor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Novell sued SCO for the money SCO got in licensing their own productsNovell wonNovell wants their money before SCO tries to "sell" their assets to a buyer that is nothing but a sham front company for SCO.According to groklaw, this is exactly what is going on right now.The thing about the law is that it is supposed to operate equally for everybody.
And it actually does - when all the parties are rich.
For whatever else you want to believe, the PirateBay is not poor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731781</id>
	<title>RIAA &amp; Artists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never heard from any big name musical groups where their position is with the RIAA, I mean are the big artists in agreement with what the RIAA is attempting here. Maybe I am just ignorant, but can somebody clarify this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never heard from any big name musical groups where their position is with the RIAA , I mean are the big artists in agreement with what the RIAA is attempting here .
Maybe I am just ignorant , but can somebody clarify this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never heard from any big name musical groups where their position is with the RIAA, I mean are the big artists in agreement with what the RIAA is attempting here.
Maybe I am just ignorant, but can somebody clarify this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731571</id>
	<title>Corporations want more money</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1247852880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(whether or not they legitimately earned it)</p><p>Informational film at 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( whether or not they legitimately earned it ) Informational film at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(whether or not they legitimately earned it)Informational film at 11.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733019</id>
	<title>Re:Who downloads music</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1247859060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Getting whole discographies, or downloading a mix-folder (like a mix-tape but larger).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting whole discographies , or downloading a mix-folder ( like a mix-tape but larger ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting whole discographies, or downloading a mix-folder (like a mix-tape but larger).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28743073</id>
	<title>Re:What will happen to the tracker?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247908440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openbittorrent is run by The Pirate Bay guys (not the new pirate bay). They had the same IP addresses as The Pirate Bay guys when it first started (maybe they still do).</p><p>Also, The Pirate Bay wasn't owned directly by the guys involved. It is owned by some other company and has been for a while. So, it's that company that's getting the money. Hence, reports that the guys who were sued and lost will never see the money are true. However, they have some kind of agreement with this company to set up things like this openbittorrent tracker and a couple other things... I'm surprised no one knows about this around here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openbittorrent is run by The Pirate Bay guys ( not the new pirate bay ) .
They had the same IP addresses as The Pirate Bay guys when it first started ( maybe they still do ) .Also , The Pirate Bay was n't owned directly by the guys involved .
It is owned by some other company and has been for a while .
So , it 's that company that 's getting the money .
Hence , reports that the guys who were sued and lost will never see the money are true .
However , they have some kind of agreement with this company to set up things like this openbittorrent tracker and a couple other things... I 'm surprised no one knows about this around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openbittorrent is run by The Pirate Bay guys (not the new pirate bay).
They had the same IP addresses as The Pirate Bay guys when it first started (maybe they still do).Also, The Pirate Bay wasn't owned directly by the guys involved.
It is owned by some other company and has been for a while.
So, it's that company that's getting the money.
Hence, reports that the guys who were sued and lost will never see the money are true.
However, they have some kind of agreement with this company to set up things like this openbittorrent tracker and a couple other things... I'm surprised no one knows about this around here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733491</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247861520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RIAA = American</p><p>Pirate Bay = Swedish</p><p>Your grandmother: "Stupid twat".</p><p>It's not a hard concept. Despite what you may believe, US laws do no apply to the rest of the world, at least until the companies telling Congress what laws they want successfully bribe other countries. Comprendre?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA = AmericanPirate Bay = SwedishYour grandmother : " Stupid twat " .It 's not a hard concept .
Despite what you may believe , US laws do no apply to the rest of the world , at least until the companies telling Congress what laws they want successfully bribe other countries .
Comprendre ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA = AmericanPirate Bay = SwedishYour grandmother: "Stupid twat".It's not a hard concept.
Despite what you may believe, US laws do no apply to the rest of the world, at least until the companies telling Congress what laws they want successfully bribe other countries.
Comprendre?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733181</id>
	<title>Re:Who downloads music</title>
	<author>The Moof</author>
	<datestamp>1247859900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Individual mp3's, no, it doesn't make sense, there are better protocols/networks out there for that.
Entire albums, on the other hand, fall into bittorrent's area quite well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Individual mp3 's , no , it does n't make sense , there are better protocols/networks out there for that .
Entire albums , on the other hand , fall into bittorrent 's area quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Individual mp3's, no, it doesn't make sense, there are better protocols/networks out there for that.
Entire albums, on the other hand, fall into bittorrent's area quite well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732171</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732819</id>
	<title>Re:News flash</title>
	<author>Migraineman</author>
	<datestamp>1247858100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Their crappy algorithmic "music" has driven me to drink.  Does my alcoholism require a performance royalty to the RIAA?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well .
Their crappy algorithmic " music " has driven me to drink .
Does my alcoholism require a performance royalty to the RIAA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The music industry wants a cut of your liver as well.
Their crappy algorithmic "music" has driven me to drink.
Does my alcoholism require a performance royalty to the RIAA?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732635</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1247857440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.</p></div><p>You've fallen for one of the classic blunders.  You've confused legality with morality.

The complaints here aren't about the RIAA's legal rights.  The persistent discussion on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is whether the law is just.  This seems rather natural, given that the entire case exists due to millions of dollars of RIAA lobbying in the US resulting in political pressure on Sweden.

If the RIAA paid enough senators to made it illegal for your grandma to hum songs, then sued her, would you still stand by the statement that they "should get what they are owed" just because the law says so?  Maybe you and I have different definitions of "should."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.You 've fallen for one of the classic blunders .
You 've confused legality with morality .
The complaints here are n't about the RIAA 's legal rights .
The persistent discussion on / .
is whether the law is just .
This seems rather natural , given that the entire case exists due to millions of dollars of RIAA lobbying in the US resulting in political pressure on Sweden .
If the RIAA paid enough senators to made it illegal for your grandma to hum songs , then sued her , would you still stand by the statement that they " should get what they are owed " just because the law says so ?
Maybe you and I have different definitions of " should .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate them - love them - or be indifferent - but they won a lawsuit and they should get what they are owed...and in this case its about 3.2 million.You've fallen for one of the classic blunders.
You've confused legality with morality.
The complaints here aren't about the RIAA's legal rights.
The persistent discussion on /.
is whether the law is just.
This seems rather natural, given that the entire case exists due to millions of dollars of RIAA lobbying in the US resulting in political pressure on Sweden.
If the RIAA paid enough senators to made it illegal for your grandma to hum songs, then sued her, would you still stand by the statement that they "should get what they are owed" just because the law says so?
Maybe you and I have different definitions of "should.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733911</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247863440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RIAA sued Piratebay<br>RIAA won<br>RIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it</p></div><p>Except RIAA haven't won, yet.  The law suit is still in appeal.  RIAA won if and only if the court decided and Pirate Bay didn't appeal.  As it stand, I would assume the company that bought Pirate Bay would've bought the lawsuit on too.  If anything, RIAA should go after the new owner.</p><p>iANAL.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want 's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itExcept RIAA have n't won , yet .
The law suit is still in appeal .
RIAA won if and only if the court decided and Pirate Bay did n't appeal .
As it stand , I would assume the company that bought Pirate Bay would 've bought the lawsuit on too .
If anything , RIAA should go after the new owner.iANAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itExcept RIAA haven't won, yet.
The law suit is still in appeal.
RIAA won if and only if the court decided and Pirate Bay didn't appeal.
As it stand, I would assume the company that bought Pirate Bay would've bought the lawsuit on too.
If anything, RIAA should go after the new owner.iANAL.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733621</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1247862060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish people would return to thinking with their heads, instead of with their attorneys.
<br>:/</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish people would return to thinking with their heads , instead of with their attorneys .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish people would return to thinking with their heads, instead of with their attorneys.
:/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732227</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>LandDolphin</author>
	<datestamp>1247855640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What?  No pitchfork and torch? Might I ask why you hate freedom?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
No pitchfork and torch ?
Might I ask why you hate freedom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
No pitchfork and torch?
Might I ask why you hate freedom?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731673</id>
	<title>Re:I'm confused</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1247853360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey now, Napster converted to a pay model and it worked great for them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey now , Napster converted to a pay model and it worked great for them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey now, Napster converted to a pay model and it worked great for them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731985</id>
	<title>Mr, Pot? Meet Mr. Kettle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247854560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who's calling whom a pirate?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 's calling whom a pirate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who's calling whom a pirate?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732371</id>
	<title>Music Industry Wants a Cut of the Booty!</title>
	<author>gubers33</author>
	<datestamp>1247856180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously is anyone besides me sick and tired of the music industry begging and asking for money from everyone. I swear they would want a cut of a homeless guy's shopping cart full of cans if they found out he downloaded a song before he was homeless. It is getting rediculous everyday on Slashdot there is something new they want a cut from or want money from. Yet the RIAA won't show anyone their earnings books. Next we are going to hear Obama downloaded a song illegally from the White House and the Music Industry will want a cut of Fort Knox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously is anyone besides me sick and tired of the music industry begging and asking for money from everyone .
I swear they would want a cut of a homeless guy 's shopping cart full of cans if they found out he downloaded a song before he was homeless .
It is getting rediculous everyday on Slashdot there is something new they want a cut from or want money from .
Yet the RIAA wo n't show anyone their earnings books .
Next we are going to hear Obama downloaded a song illegally from the White House and the Music Industry will want a cut of Fort Knox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously is anyone besides me sick and tired of the music industry begging and asking for money from everyone.
I swear they would want a cut of a homeless guy's shopping cart full of cans if they found out he downloaded a song before he was homeless.
It is getting rediculous everyday on Slashdot there is something new they want a cut from or want money from.
Yet the RIAA won't show anyone their earnings books.
Next we are going to hear Obama downloaded a song illegally from the White House and the Music Industry will want a cut of Fort Knox.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28740661</id>
	<title>Re:Who downloads music</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247931000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I mean really what's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files.</i>

<p>It's not 1998, and we're not using Napster over 56 kilobit dialup connections any more. We have multi-megabit download capacities, and hard disks in the terabyte range, and torrent sites have long since gone beyond carrying whole albums for download, instead now offering complete compilations of an artist's entire back catalogue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean really what 's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files .
It 's not 1998 , and we 're not using Napster over 56 kilobit dialup connections any more .
We have multi-megabit download capacities , and hard disks in the terabyte range , and torrent sites have long since gone beyond carrying whole albums for download , instead now offering complete compilations of an artist 's entire back catalogue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean really what's the use of using torrents for 5 meg files.
It's not 1998, and we're not using Napster over 56 kilobit dialup connections any more.
We have multi-megabit download capacities, and hard disks in the terabyte range, and torrent sites have long since gone beyond carrying whole albums for download, instead now offering complete compilations of an artist's entire back catalogue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732999</id>
	<title>Re:Similarly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247859000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides" title="straightdope.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides</a> [straightdope.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides [ straightdope.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides [straightdope.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733101</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247859480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You offer no context or substance as to why 1 party was suing another party, which makes your argument invalid.</p><p>Just saying 1 party won a civil case over another party doesn't mean squat to me unless I know what the case is about.</p><p>In this case, RIAA vs. PirateBay, yes the RIAA won.<br>Do I agree with the verdict? No.<br>Do I expect the RIAA to go after any money the court has ruled in their favor? Yes.<br>Do I expect TPB to appeal the ruling? Yes.<br>Should the RIAA receive any funds from the sale of TPB if no funds go to the members of TPB, when the ruling and fines are stated against the individuals? No.</p><p>Yes, we're splitting hairs here, but as the RIAA's case was entirely built upon such things so why should either side get leverage?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You offer no context or substance as to why 1 party was suing another party , which makes your argument invalid.Just saying 1 party won a civil case over another party does n't mean squat to me unless I know what the case is about.In this case , RIAA vs. PirateBay , yes the RIAA won.Do I agree with the verdict ?
No.Do I expect the RIAA to go after any money the court has ruled in their favor ?
Yes.Do I expect TPB to appeal the ruling ?
Yes.Should the RIAA receive any funds from the sale of TPB if no funds go to the members of TPB , when the ruling and fines are stated against the individuals ?
No.Yes , we 're splitting hairs here , but as the RIAA 's case was entirely built upon such things so why should either side get leverage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You offer no context or substance as to why 1 party was suing another party, which makes your argument invalid.Just saying 1 party won a civil case over another party doesn't mean squat to me unless I know what the case is about.In this case, RIAA vs. PirateBay, yes the RIAA won.Do I agree with the verdict?
No.Do I expect the RIAA to go after any money the court has ruled in their favor?
Yes.Do I expect TPB to appeal the ruling?
Yes.Should the RIAA receive any funds from the sale of TPB if no funds go to the members of TPB, when the ruling and fines are stated against the individuals?
No.Yes, we're splitting hairs here, but as the RIAA's case was entirely built upon such things so why should either side get leverage?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732961</id>
	<title>Stupid to Buy</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1247858760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a really stupid purchase in the first place. Just how hard will it be to set-up The Pirate Bay II in competition?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a really stupid purchase in the first place .
Just how hard will it be to set-up The Pirate Bay II in competition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a really stupid purchase in the first place.
Just how hard will it be to set-up The Pirate Bay II in competition?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732207</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA &amp; Artists</title>
	<author>HaZardman27</author>
	<datestamp>1247855580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't think of their names right now (because it's not music which I would listen to), but I know there are a few pretty large groups out there giving their albums away for free; not sure if it's a fan service or if it's in response to all the crap the RIAA puts listeners through.  Then there's ***holes like  Gene Simmons from Kiss who go as far as to <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506\_3-9973662-17.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">openly state their hatred</a> [cnet.com], not even dislike, for today's young people for downloading music.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't think of their names right now ( because it 's not music which I would listen to ) , but I know there are a few pretty large groups out there giving their albums away for free ; not sure if it 's a fan service or if it 's in response to all the crap the RIAA puts listeners through .
Then there 's * * * holes like Gene Simmons from Kiss who go as far as to openly state their hatred [ cnet.com ] , not even dislike , for today 's young people for downloading music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't think of their names right now (because it's not music which I would listen to), but I know there are a few pretty large groups out there giving their albums away for free; not sure if it's a fan service or if it's in response to all the crap the RIAA puts listeners through.
Then there's ***holes like  Gene Simmons from Kiss who go as far as to openly state their hatred [cnet.com], not even dislike, for today's young people for downloading music.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28736467</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1247834220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RIAA sued Piratebay<br>RIAA won<br>RIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with it</p></div><p>You sure?<br>I don't know the specifics of Swedish law, but in other countries, the court case isn't over until it is over.  An appeal by definition means it is not over.<br>I too would assume the RIAA is owed Nothing until the court case is finished and over with.</p><p>So because at this point partially through the trial, the last thing said so far was that the RIAA is owed money, does not mean in any way that will be the outcome of the court case.  It may, but it may not.</p><p>Otherwise, what is the point of having appeals at all if you can't use them to appeal?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want 's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itYou sure ? I do n't know the specifics of Swedish law , but in other countries , the court case is n't over until it is over .
An appeal by definition means it is not over.I too would assume the RIAA is owed Nothing until the court case is finished and over with.So because at this point partially through the trial , the last thing said so far was that the RIAA is owed money , does not mean in any way that will be the outcome of the court case .
It may , but it may not.Otherwise , what is the point of having appeals at all if you ca n't use them to appeal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RIAA sued PiratebayRIAA wonRIAA want's their money before Piratebay tries to run off with itYou sure?I don't know the specifics of Swedish law, but in other countries, the court case isn't over until it is over.
An appeal by definition means it is not over.I too would assume the RIAA is owed Nothing until the court case is finished and over with.So because at this point partially through the trial, the last thing said so far was that the RIAA is owed money, does not mean in any way that will be the outcome of the court case.
It may, but it may not.Otherwise, what is the point of having appeals at all if you can't use them to appeal?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731919</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA &amp; Artists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247854320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess it depends on how you classify "big name", but Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) and David Draiman (Disturbed) are two names that immediately pop out as being vociferously against the current state of the music industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it depends on how you classify " big name " , but Trent Reznor ( Nine Inch Nails ) and David Draiman ( Disturbed ) are two names that immediately pop out as being vociferously against the current state of the music industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it depends on how you classify "big name", but Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) and David Draiman (Disturbed) are two names that immediately pop out as being vociferously against the current state of the music industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733565</id>
	<title>What will happen to the tracker?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a torrent up to try and help mirror some large content (<a href="http://blenderunderground.com/2008/10/11/field-agents-mirror-blender-underground-resources/" title="blenderunderground.com">Blender Underground's "Blender Basics"</a> [blenderunderground.com]) - It's using the Pirate Bay as a tracker, as they seem to be reliable.</p><p>Is that likely to change?</p><p>Are there any alternatives? Does anyone know of a good, speedy tracker that has a low risk of shutdown (preferrably a moderated, or legal-only one)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a torrent up to try and help mirror some large content ( Blender Underground 's " Blender Basics " [ blenderunderground.com ] ) - It 's using the Pirate Bay as a tracker , as they seem to be reliable.Is that likely to change ? Are there any alternatives ?
Does anyone know of a good , speedy tracker that has a low risk of shutdown ( preferrably a moderated , or legal-only one ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a torrent up to try and help mirror some large content (Blender Underground's "Blender Basics" [blenderunderground.com]) - It's using the Pirate Bay as a tracker, as they seem to be reliable.Is that likely to change?Are there any alternatives?
Does anyone know of a good, speedy tracker that has a low risk of shutdown (preferrably a moderated, or legal-only one)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731629</id>
	<title>A 4 step program...</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1247853120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Create torrent tracker that carries pirate torrents<br>
2. Relentlessly self-promote<br>
3. Find high profile buyer suckered into 'capturing the audience' while dodging the criminal case judgment<br>
4. Profit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Create torrent tracker that carries pirate torrents 2 .
Relentlessly self-promote 3 .
Find high profile buyer suckered into 'capturing the audience ' while dodging the criminal case judgment 4 .
Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Create torrent tracker that carries pirate torrents
2.
Relentlessly self-promote
3.
Find high profile buyer suckered into 'capturing the audience' while dodging the criminal case judgment
4.
Profit!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28733003</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247859000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>swap RIAA for say your grandmother</i></p><p>I wish I could, my grandmother's dead. I'd be far happier if Grandma were alive and the RIAA was dead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>swap RIAA for say your grandmotherI wish I could , my grandmother 's dead .
I 'd be far happier if Grandma were alive and the RIAA was dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>swap RIAA for say your grandmotherI wish I could, my grandmother's dead.
I'd be far happier if Grandma were alive and the RIAA was dead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28731547</id>
	<title>Me too!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247852760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For all my "contributions" over the years, I deserve a cut.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all my " contributions " over the years , I deserve a cut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all my "contributions" over the years, I deserve a cut.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28734489</id>
	<title>Re:Paying to Pirate</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1247822700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting they found some suckers to do another Napster deal.  Taking a former pirate site's name and turning it into a subscription site worked SO well in that case, didn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting they found some suckers to do another Napster deal .
Taking a former pirate site 's name and turning it into a subscription site worked SO well in that case , did n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting they found some suckers to do another Napster deal.
Taking a former pirate site's name and turning it into a subscription site worked SO well in that case, didn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732337</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>javacowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247856060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So collect it from the new owners of the company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So collect it from the new owners of the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So collect it from the new owners of the company.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732367</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me help you out with this:<blockquote><div><p> Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket['s] <b>former owners</b> and won. Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother. Why would you object to your [grand]mother trying to claim the money she won?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Not to mention that my grandmother lives in a different country than zed supermarket...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me help you out with this : Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket [ 's ] former owners and won .
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother .
Why would you object to your [ grand ] mother trying to claim the money she won ?
Not to mention that my grandmother lives in a different country than zed supermarket.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me help you out with this: Imagine your grandmother sued the local supermarket['s] former owners and won.
Now the supermarket is trying to sell itself and figure out a way to not pay your grandmother.
Why would you object to your [grand]mother trying to claim the money she won?
Not to mention that my grandmother lives in a different country than zed supermarket...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732343</id>
	<title>Everyone should get a piece of the action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the music industry feels it's entitled to a piece of the Pirate Bay pie, what of the other industries that are affected, where is their share? Movie studios, Television studios, Book publishers, Anime production companies, Comic book studios, Game developers, Software Application developers and Porn studios; all need to be included in on their cut of the proceeds.</p><p>Does anyone actually know how much music is pirated as compared to these other media? I'd have imagined that at the start of the P2P thing (when everyone had a 56K modem) that it would be mostly music due to smaller file sizes, but given the penetration of high speed broadband connections I should think that music only makes up a small portion of all media that's pirated nowadays.</p><p>And yet, why is it that it's the music industry always seems to be the first to swim along when they smell blood? What is it about their corporate culture that makes them so greedy and litigation-happy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the music industry feels it 's entitled to a piece of the Pirate Bay pie , what of the other industries that are affected , where is their share ?
Movie studios , Television studios , Book publishers , Anime production companies , Comic book studios , Game developers , Software Application developers and Porn studios ; all need to be included in on their cut of the proceeds.Does anyone actually know how much music is pirated as compared to these other media ?
I 'd have imagined that at the start of the P2P thing ( when everyone had a 56K modem ) that it would be mostly music due to smaller file sizes , but given the penetration of high speed broadband connections I should think that music only makes up a small portion of all media that 's pirated nowadays.And yet , why is it that it 's the music industry always seems to be the first to swim along when they smell blood ?
What is it about their corporate culture that makes them so greedy and litigation-happy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the music industry feels it's entitled to a piece of the Pirate Bay pie, what of the other industries that are affected, where is their share?
Movie studios, Television studios, Book publishers, Anime production companies, Comic book studios, Game developers, Software Application developers and Porn studios; all need to be included in on their cut of the proceeds.Does anyone actually know how much music is pirated as compared to these other media?
I'd have imagined that at the start of the P2P thing (when everyone had a 56K modem) that it would be mostly music due to smaller file sizes, but given the penetration of high speed broadband connections I should think that music only makes up a small portion of all media that's pirated nowadays.And yet, why is it that it's the music industry always seems to be the first to swim along when they smell blood?
What is it about their corporate culture that makes them so greedy and litigation-happy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_144255.28732285</id>
	<title>Re:They want money</title>
	<author>loganrapp</author>
	<datestamp>1247855880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. Once the ruling's come down, you abide by it.

This certainly looks to me like an attempt to circumvent what they owe the RIAA. And I <i>hate</i> the RIAA, but they do owe them. That's how it's how it works - you lose a dispute, you pay the price. If you think the dispute was lost unfairly, you appeal.

And if you want to look at it in more pragmatic terms for the PB people - don't look like you're trying to subvert the system when you're trying to appeal within it. That's just stupid and helping you lose your appeal before you file it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Once the ruling 's come down , you abide by it .
This certainly looks to me like an attempt to circumvent what they owe the RIAA .
And I hate the RIAA , but they do owe them .
That 's how it 's how it works - you lose a dispute , you pay the price .
If you think the dispute was lost unfairly , you appeal .
And if you want to look at it in more pragmatic terms for the PB people - do n't look like you 're trying to subvert the system when you 're trying to appeal within it .
That 's just stupid and helping you lose your appeal before you file it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Once the ruling's come down, you abide by it.
This certainly looks to me like an attempt to circumvent what they owe the RIAA.
And I hate the RIAA, but they do owe them.
That's how it's how it works - you lose a dispute, you pay the price.
If you think the dispute was lost unfairly, you appeal.
And if you want to look at it in more pragmatic terms for the PB people - don't look like you're trying to subvert the system when you're trying to appeal within it.
That's just stupid and helping you lose your appeal before you file it.</sentencetext>
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