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	<title>US Videogame Sales Have Biggest Drop In 9 Years</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1247843220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"The recession appears to have finally caught up with the video game market. Sales of video game hardware and software were <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/news/2009/071709-us-video-game-sales-sink.html&amp;pagename=/news/2009/071709-us-video-game-sales-sink.html&amp;pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071709-us-video-game-sales-sink.html&amp;site=printpage">down by around one-third</a> in June compared to the same month last year. After initially showing positive growth as the US slid into recession, the latest figures mark the fourth month of declines and the largest year-on-year decline in almost 9 years. 'The first half of the year has been tough largely due to comparisons against a stellar first half performance last year, but still, this level of decline is certainly going to cause some pain and reflection in the industry,' said Anita Frazier, a games analyst with NPD Group. She added, 'The size of the decline could also point to consumers deferring limited discretionary spending until a big event (must-have new title, hardware price cut) compels them to spend.' The entire video game market in the US was worth $1.2 billion in June, down 31 percent from the same period last year, according to NPD Group."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " The recession appears to have finally caught up with the video game market .
Sales of video game hardware and software were down by around one-third in June compared to the same month last year .
After initially showing positive growth as the US slid into recession , the latest figures mark the fourth month of declines and the largest year-on-year decline in almost 9 years .
'The first half of the year has been tough largely due to comparisons against a stellar first half performance last year , but still , this level of decline is certainly going to cause some pain and reflection in the industry, ' said Anita Frazier , a games analyst with NPD Group .
She added , 'The size of the decline could also point to consumers deferring limited discretionary spending until a big event ( must-have new title , hardware price cut ) compels them to spend .
' The entire video game market in the US was worth $ 1.2 billion in June , down 31 percent from the same period last year , according to NPD Group .
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<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "The recession appears to have finally caught up with the video game market.
Sales of video game hardware and software were down by around one-third in June compared to the same month last year.
After initially showing positive growth as the US slid into recession, the latest figures mark the fourth month of declines and the largest year-on-year decline in almost 9 years.
'The first half of the year has been tough largely due to comparisons against a stellar first half performance last year, but still, this level of decline is certainly going to cause some pain and reflection in the industry,' said Anita Frazier, a games analyst with NPD Group.
She added, 'The size of the decline could also point to consumers deferring limited discretionary spending until a big event (must-have new title, hardware price cut) compels them to spend.
' The entire video game market in the US was worth $1.2 billion in June, down 31 percent from the same period last year, according to NPD Group.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732515</id>
	<title>Re:You know what might help?</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1247856900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Goodness, a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games? Say it ain't so!</p><p>Or would you prefer they overproduce and lose money on the whole deal, crippling their ability to do future releases.</p><p>Niche games are like that precisely because the potential audience is so small. If you are really interested, you need to be ready to go from the start, or you're probably SOL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Goodness , a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games ?
Say it ai n't so ! Or would you prefer they overproduce and lose money on the whole deal , crippling their ability to do future releases.Niche games are like that precisely because the potential audience is so small .
If you are really interested , you need to be ready to go from the start , or you 're probably SOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goodness, a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games?
Say it ain't so!Or would you prefer they overproduce and lose money on the whole deal, crippling their ability to do future releases.Niche games are like that precisely because the potential audience is so small.
If you are really interested, you need to be ready to go from the start, or you're probably SOL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731181</id>
	<title>I get a little tired of this one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247851020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>To me, when someone says this, it implies that they either are unreasonable picky, have a very narrow taste in games, or just haven't done any looking around. If you are the first, well then there's nothing I can do for you. If you are one of those people who has decided that anything less than perfection is failure then you will be continually disappointed in life. That is just how it goes. If you are one of the second people that is fine, but then don't whine about it. If you only like like a narrow selection of games just know that about yourself, and don't say that games "suck" just because they don't all cater to your narrow tastes. In the case of the last kind of person, well then just spend a bit of time on the net doing some research and downloading some demos.</p><p>However, I'll even help you out. Here are some games I have picked up recently that are worth it. Now please note not all of them are new releases, just games that I have recently purchased:</p><p>Street Fighter 4. This is an arcade style fighting game. One of the very best ever. Great visuals, great sound, fun to play, just an all around great game. Supports online play too so you can play vs other people remotely.</p><p>Aztaka. This is a side scrolling action-RPG in the style of Zelda II and such. However it is extremely well done, modern visuals and game play and the like. Also makes very good use of the mouse for various game aspects. It isn't that long, but it is good fun and not too expensive.</p><p>Left4Dead. Zombies and guns, what more do you want? Seriously though the game has excellent gameplay and wonderful coop play. Either with friends (and it has a system making it easy to play with your friends) or with random people or just with computer controlled characters, it is a great shooter.</p><p>Command and Conquer Red Alert 3: Classic Westwood RTS game. It is a fantastic addition to the series. Gameplay is smooth, difficulty curve is good and most of all it is just damn fun. I particularly like the RA game world because it doesn't take itself seriously, it is a goofy take on modern warfare. Also the cutscenes are top notch, they got actors who really did a good job at playing it.</p><p>Assassin's Creed. Sandbox world exploration and melee combat game. As the name implies, you play an assassin. You go around, stab people, climb buildings, hide in bales of hay, and so on. A fairly well done double story line and just flat out fun gameplay.</p><p>Those are five of the more recent purchases I've made that spring to mind. There are plenty more games I can recommend that are a little older (but still in the last year or so). There's also a few that have come out that I've not yet bought because I haven't had the time to play everything I have.</p><p>There are plenty of games out there, you just need to spend some time looking or asking around. Metacritic is a good starting point, they aggregate reviews so you can get a feel for how the response to a game is over all and thus if you maybe want to spend time looking at it more in depth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , when someone says this , it implies that they either are unreasonable picky , have a very narrow taste in games , or just have n't done any looking around .
If you are the first , well then there 's nothing I can do for you .
If you are one of those people who has decided that anything less than perfection is failure then you will be continually disappointed in life .
That is just how it goes .
If you are one of the second people that is fine , but then do n't whine about it .
If you only like like a narrow selection of games just know that about yourself , and do n't say that games " suck " just because they do n't all cater to your narrow tastes .
In the case of the last kind of person , well then just spend a bit of time on the net doing some research and downloading some demos.However , I 'll even help you out .
Here are some games I have picked up recently that are worth it .
Now please note not all of them are new releases , just games that I have recently purchased : Street Fighter 4 .
This is an arcade style fighting game .
One of the very best ever .
Great visuals , great sound , fun to play , just an all around great game .
Supports online play too so you can play vs other people remotely.Aztaka .
This is a side scrolling action-RPG in the style of Zelda II and such .
However it is extremely well done , modern visuals and game play and the like .
Also makes very good use of the mouse for various game aspects .
It is n't that long , but it is good fun and not too expensive.Left4Dead .
Zombies and guns , what more do you want ?
Seriously though the game has excellent gameplay and wonderful coop play .
Either with friends ( and it has a system making it easy to play with your friends ) or with random people or just with computer controlled characters , it is a great shooter.Command and Conquer Red Alert 3 : Classic Westwood RTS game .
It is a fantastic addition to the series .
Gameplay is smooth , difficulty curve is good and most of all it is just damn fun .
I particularly like the RA game world because it does n't take itself seriously , it is a goofy take on modern warfare .
Also the cutscenes are top notch , they got actors who really did a good job at playing it.Assassin 's Creed .
Sandbox world exploration and melee combat game .
As the name implies , you play an assassin .
You go around , stab people , climb buildings , hide in bales of hay , and so on .
A fairly well done double story line and just flat out fun gameplay.Those are five of the more recent purchases I 've made that spring to mind .
There are plenty more games I can recommend that are a little older ( but still in the last year or so ) .
There 's also a few that have come out that I 've not yet bought because I have n't had the time to play everything I have.There are plenty of games out there , you just need to spend some time looking or asking around .
Metacritic is a good starting point , they aggregate reviews so you can get a feel for how the response to a game is over all and thus if you maybe want to spend time looking at it more in depth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, when someone says this, it implies that they either are unreasonable picky, have a very narrow taste in games, or just haven't done any looking around.
If you are the first, well then there's nothing I can do for you.
If you are one of those people who has decided that anything less than perfection is failure then you will be continually disappointed in life.
That is just how it goes.
If you are one of the second people that is fine, but then don't whine about it.
If you only like like a narrow selection of games just know that about yourself, and don't say that games "suck" just because they don't all cater to your narrow tastes.
In the case of the last kind of person, well then just spend a bit of time on the net doing some research and downloading some demos.However, I'll even help you out.
Here are some games I have picked up recently that are worth it.
Now please note not all of them are new releases, just games that I have recently purchased:Street Fighter 4.
This is an arcade style fighting game.
One of the very best ever.
Great visuals, great sound, fun to play, just an all around great game.
Supports online play too so you can play vs other people remotely.Aztaka.
This is a side scrolling action-RPG in the style of Zelda II and such.
However it is extremely well done, modern visuals and game play and the like.
Also makes very good use of the mouse for various game aspects.
It isn't that long, but it is good fun and not too expensive.Left4Dead.
Zombies and guns, what more do you want?
Seriously though the game has excellent gameplay and wonderful coop play.
Either with friends (and it has a system making it easy to play with your friends) or with random people or just with computer controlled characters, it is a great shooter.Command and Conquer Red Alert 3: Classic Westwood RTS game.
It is a fantastic addition to the series.
Gameplay is smooth, difficulty curve is good and most of all it is just damn fun.
I particularly like the RA game world because it doesn't take itself seriously, it is a goofy take on modern warfare.
Also the cutscenes are top notch, they got actors who really did a good job at playing it.Assassin's Creed.
Sandbox world exploration and melee combat game.
As the name implies, you play an assassin.
You go around, stab people, climb buildings, hide in bales of hay, and so on.
A fairly well done double story line and just flat out fun gameplay.Those are five of the more recent purchases I've made that spring to mind.
There are plenty more games I can recommend that are a little older (but still in the last year or so).
There's also a few that have come out that I've not yet bought because I haven't had the time to play everything I have.There are plenty of games out there, you just need to spend some time looking or asking around.
Metacritic is a good starting point, they aggregate reviews so you can get a feel for how the response to a game is over all and thus if you maybe want to spend time looking at it more in depth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730661</id>
	<title>Really?  Are they that expensive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247848980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I don't really think video games are that expensive if you put everything in the right context.  I remember back in the day (1995) that most new video games cost $40 a piece.  Using this <a href="http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation\_calculator.htm" title="bls.gov" rel="nofollow">handy inflation calculator</a> [bls.gov], a new video game should cost $56.61 adjusted for inflation from 1995.  Unlike computer hardware, which follows Moore's law and consistently decreases in price per goodness, the amount of programming required to make a game is roughly constant, so the price of games should roughly follow inflation.<br>
<br>
Or to think about it in a different way, it's a really cheap form of enteratainment if you compute the hourly cost of it.  A typical computer game is worth about 40 hours of entertainment, which means you're paying about $1.50 per hour for a $60 game.  Compared with watcing a movie in theaters or on DVD ($4/hr), or dining out ($15/hr),  or paintball/lasertag ($10/hr+) it's a remarkably inexpensive form of entertainment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really think video games are that expensive if you put everything in the right context .
I remember back in the day ( 1995 ) that most new video games cost $ 40 a piece .
Using this handy inflation calculator [ bls.gov ] , a new video game should cost $ 56.61 adjusted for inflation from 1995 .
Unlike computer hardware , which follows Moore 's law and consistently decreases in price per goodness , the amount of programming required to make a game is roughly constant , so the price of games should roughly follow inflation .
Or to think about it in a different way , it 's a really cheap form of enteratainment if you compute the hourly cost of it .
A typical computer game is worth about 40 hours of entertainment , which means you 're paying about $ 1.50 per hour for a $ 60 game .
Compared with watcing a movie in theaters or on DVD ( $ 4/hr ) , or dining out ( $ 15/hr ) , or paintball/lasertag ( $ 10/hr + ) it 's a remarkably inexpensive form of entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really think video games are that expensive if you put everything in the right context.
I remember back in the day (1995) that most new video games cost $40 a piece.
Using this handy inflation calculator [bls.gov], a new video game should cost $56.61 adjusted for inflation from 1995.
Unlike computer hardware, which follows Moore's law and consistently decreases in price per goodness, the amount of programming required to make a game is roughly constant, so the price of games should roughly follow inflation.
Or to think about it in a different way, it's a really cheap form of enteratainment if you compute the hourly cost of it.
A typical computer game is worth about 40 hours of entertainment, which means you're paying about $1.50 per hour for a $60 game.
Compared with watcing a movie in theaters or on DVD ($4/hr), or dining out ($15/hr),  or paintball/lasertag ($10/hr+) it's a remarkably inexpensive form of entertainment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28736461</id>
	<title>A lot of reasons</title>
	<author>Pitr</author>
	<datestamp>1247834160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There are so many factors here, the recession being the biggie, but it amplifies everything else.  Crappy over priced games are something that sell much worse when you don't have disposable income.  Expensive consoles stop selling, not to mention a huge percentage of the market owns a "next gen" console by now. (I know, it's not "next gen" anymore, get over it)  Those that don't own one probably have at least one friend with each of the big 3.  So you'll get more of the old-school game sharing like before this newfangled internet thing came along and made it so you no longer have to be in the same room as the people you are playing with (as long as you and all your friends go buy a console and a copy of the game each).  And then there's used games...</p><p>So we're told music and movies (and PC games at the least) don't sell because of piracy, and the PSP is dying because of piracy (oh no, not bad design, poor media choices, iffy game selection, etc. etc., but piracy) etc. etc.  Many of the game companies can't get away w/ the same song and dance for Wii/360/PS3 games as they're not pirated on nearly the same scale (maybe 360 games, but AFAIK they can't go on xbox live or they get flagged or something) and take more doing than just downloading a CD patch or key-gen.  Enter the new scapegoat; USED GAMES!  Of COURSE no one will pay $60-70 (I'm in Canada) for a new game when in a couple weeks it'll be half price (Except for Fallout 3... WTF?!?), esp during the aforementioned recession.  What's the solution?  Make games that play for longer, with more re-play value so people don't want to sell them the moment they finish them?  No, let's just talk about it like it's akin to stealing.  Yeehaw!</p><p>When did whinning until someone passed a law for you to block competition or handed you a "bailout" become the way to do business?  What ever happened to succeeding (or failing) on the merrets of your product/service?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are so many factors here , the recession being the biggie , but it amplifies everything else .
Crappy over priced games are something that sell much worse when you do n't have disposable income .
Expensive consoles stop selling , not to mention a huge percentage of the market owns a " next gen " console by now .
( I know , it 's not " next gen " anymore , get over it ) Those that do n't own one probably have at least one friend with each of the big 3 .
So you 'll get more of the old-school game sharing like before this newfangled internet thing came along and made it so you no longer have to be in the same room as the people you are playing with ( as long as you and all your friends go buy a console and a copy of the game each ) .
And then there 's used games...So we 're told music and movies ( and PC games at the least ) do n't sell because of piracy , and the PSP is dying because of piracy ( oh no , not bad design , poor media choices , iffy game selection , etc .
etc. , but piracy ) etc .
etc. Many of the game companies ca n't get away w/ the same song and dance for Wii/360/PS3 games as they 're not pirated on nearly the same scale ( maybe 360 games , but AFAIK they ca n't go on xbox live or they get flagged or something ) and take more doing than just downloading a CD patch or key-gen. Enter the new scapegoat ; USED GAMES !
Of COURSE no one will pay $ 60-70 ( I 'm in Canada ) for a new game when in a couple weeks it 'll be half price ( Except for Fallout 3.. .
WTF ? ! ? ) , esp during the aforementioned recession .
What 's the solution ?
Make games that play for longer , with more re-play value so people do n't want to sell them the moment they finish them ?
No , let 's just talk about it like it 's akin to stealing .
Yeehaw ! When did whinning until someone passed a law for you to block competition or handed you a " bailout " become the way to do business ?
What ever happened to succeeding ( or failing ) on the merrets of your product/service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are so many factors here, the recession being the biggie, but it amplifies everything else.
Crappy over priced games are something that sell much worse when you don't have disposable income.
Expensive consoles stop selling, not to mention a huge percentage of the market owns a "next gen" console by now.
(I know, it's not "next gen" anymore, get over it)  Those that don't own one probably have at least one friend with each of the big 3.
So you'll get more of the old-school game sharing like before this newfangled internet thing came along and made it so you no longer have to be in the same room as the people you are playing with (as long as you and all your friends go buy a console and a copy of the game each).
And then there's used games...So we're told music and movies (and PC games at the least) don't sell because of piracy, and the PSP is dying because of piracy (oh no, not bad design, poor media choices, iffy game selection, etc.
etc., but piracy) etc.
etc.  Many of the game companies can't get away w/ the same song and dance for Wii/360/PS3 games as they're not pirated on nearly the same scale (maybe 360 games, but AFAIK they can't go on xbox live or they get flagged or something) and take more doing than just downloading a CD patch or key-gen.  Enter the new scapegoat; USED GAMES!
Of COURSE no one will pay $60-70 (I'm in Canada) for a new game when in a couple weeks it'll be half price (Except for Fallout 3...
WTF?!?), esp during the aforementioned recession.
What's the solution?
Make games that play for longer, with more re-play value so people don't want to sell them the moment they finish them?
No, let's just talk about it like it's akin to stealing.
Yeehaw!When did whinning until someone passed a law for you to block competition or handed you a "bailout" become the way to do business?
What ever happened to succeeding (or failing) on the merrets of your product/service?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730521</id>
	<title>Not just the recession</title>
	<author>yuna49</author>
	<datestamp>1247848380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The problems discussed in TFA aren't being felt across the entire <a href="http://www.homemediamagazine.com/general/home-entertainment-holding-well-deg-says-16398" title="homemediamagazine.com">home entertainment industry</a> [homemediamagazine.com].  Overall sales of DVD, Blu-ray and digital content fell just 3.9\% in the first half of 2009, though sales of physical media fell more.  Rentals are up over eight percent in the same period.</p><p>High prices and the recent lack of diversity in titles have kept us out of the market for videogames.  We own a PS3, but no PS3 games.  We use it to play DVDs and Blu-rays, and to play our collection of PS2 games.  Every so often we rent a new PS3 game to try it out, but none of them has yet made the case for spending $60.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problems discussed in TFA are n't being felt across the entire home entertainment industry [ homemediamagazine.com ] .
Overall sales of DVD , Blu-ray and digital content fell just 3.9 \ % in the first half of 2009 , though sales of physical media fell more .
Rentals are up over eight percent in the same period.High prices and the recent lack of diversity in titles have kept us out of the market for videogames .
We own a PS3 , but no PS3 games .
We use it to play DVDs and Blu-rays , and to play our collection of PS2 games .
Every so often we rent a new PS3 game to try it out , but none of them has yet made the case for spending $ 60 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problems discussed in TFA aren't being felt across the entire home entertainment industry [homemediamagazine.com].
Overall sales of DVD, Blu-ray and digital content fell just 3.9\% in the first half of 2009, though sales of physical media fell more.
Rentals are up over eight percent in the same period.High prices and the recent lack of diversity in titles have kept us out of the market for videogames.
We own a PS3, but no PS3 games.
We use it to play DVDs and Blu-rays, and to play our collection of PS2 games.
Every so often we rent a new PS3 game to try it out, but none of them has yet made the case for spending $60.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732893</id>
	<title>Re:Innovation?</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1247858400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>" What happened to innovation?"</p><p>There have been some games innovating, esp on the PC with more rare titles like Sins of a Solar Empire and Supreme commander, but the truth is developers inexperience and lack of talent in understanding what makes a game fun is at the root cause of this.</p><p>One can see this by playing the end result.  Empire total war had serious bugs and the AI was a pushover.  Many in the industry have the engineering skills to create games, but no wherewithall about what makes games fun or where to take their franchises (See the many castlevania's that ended up middling to just ok, to downright horrible).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What happened to innovation ?
" There have been some games innovating , esp on the PC with more rare titles like Sins of a Solar Empire and Supreme commander , but the truth is developers inexperience and lack of talent in understanding what makes a game fun is at the root cause of this.One can see this by playing the end result .
Empire total war had serious bugs and the AI was a pushover .
Many in the industry have the engineering skills to create games , but no wherewithall about what makes games fun or where to take their franchises ( See the many castlevania 's that ended up middling to just ok , to downright horrible ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" What happened to innovation?
"There have been some games innovating, esp on the PC with more rare titles like Sins of a Solar Empire and Supreme commander, but the truth is developers inexperience and lack of talent in understanding what makes a game fun is at the root cause of this.One can see this by playing the end result.
Empire total war had serious bugs and the AI was a pushover.
Many in the industry have the engineering skills to create games, but no wherewithall about what makes games fun or where to take their franchises (See the many castlevania's that ended up middling to just ok, to downright horrible).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735303</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1247826720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Sims 3 is probably the most significant thing. That kinda says something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sims 3 is probably the most significant thing .
That kinda says something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sims 3 is probably the most significant thing.
That kinda says something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28906855</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They must account for the games released during that time.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>They must account for the games released during that time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They must account for the games released during that time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732365</id>
	<title>Re:Still Catching Up</title>
	<author>$1uck</author>
	<datestamp>1247856180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You bought Damnation?  I thought the game looked so promising, but the reviews are all pretty unanimous that the game is horrible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You bought Damnation ?
I thought the game looked so promising , but the reviews are all pretty unanimous that the game is horrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You bought Damnation?
I thought the game looked so promising, but the reviews are all pretty unanimous that the game is horrible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731357</id>
	<title>Re:Steam</title>
	<author>ZipR</author>
	<datestamp>1247851980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if online services like steam are included in that. Most articles don't include those, and I don't think that Valve releases sales numbers.  I've bought as many games (or more) than ever, but haven't bought a game in a box in over a year -- because of steam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if online services like steam are included in that .
Most articles do n't include those , and I do n't think that Valve releases sales numbers .
I 've bought as many games ( or more ) than ever , but have n't bought a game in a box in over a year -- because of steam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if online services like steam are included in that.
Most articles don't include those, and I don't think that Valve releases sales numbers.
I've bought as many games (or more) than ever, but haven't bought a game in a box in over a year -- because of steam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731617</id>
	<title>Re:Still Catching Up</title>
	<author>KDingo</author>
	<datestamp>1247853060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still in the middle of playing King's Quest V... and that's *with* a walkthrough  =(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still in the middle of playing King 's Quest V... and that 's * with * a walkthrough = (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still in the middle of playing King's Quest V... and that's *with* a walkthrough  =(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735313</id>
	<title>Re:Innovation?</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1247826840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets.</p></div><p> <tt><br>&gt; look around<br>I don't understand "around"<br>&gt; look at place<br>I don't understand "place"<br>&gt; look<br>You look around you. You can see a tree nearby, and a strange rock on the ground.<br>&gt; pick up rock<br>I don't understand "pick"<br>&gt; get the rock<br>I don't understand "get"<br>&gt; grab the rock<br>I don't understand "the"<br>&gt; grab rock<br>You grab the rock.<br></tt></p><p>And at that point, you start to realize that doing away with presets wasn't as good (or innovative) as you had originally hoped.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets .
&gt; look aroundI do n't understand " around " &gt; look at placeI do n't understand " place " &gt; lookYou look around you .
You can see a tree nearby , and a strange rock on the ground. &gt; pick up rockI do n't understand " pick " &gt; get the rockI do n't understand " get " &gt; grab the rockI do n't understand " the " &gt; grab rockYou grab the rock.And at that point , you start to realize that doing away with presets was n't as good ( or innovative ) as you had originally hoped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets.
&gt; look aroundI don't understand "around"&gt; look at placeI don't understand "place"&gt; lookYou look around you.
You can see a tree nearby, and a strange rock on the ground.&gt; pick up rockI don't understand "pick"&gt; get the rockI don't understand "get"&gt; grab the rockI don't understand "the"&gt; grab rockYou grab the rock.And at that point, you start to realize that doing away with presets wasn't as good (or innovative) as you had originally hoped.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730711</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1247849220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps lessons of the past haven't born the changes in the industry that they ought to have. <i>I'm looking at you, Atari 2600 Pacman and E.T. The Extraterrestrial!!!</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps lessons of the past have n't born the changes in the industry that they ought to have .
I 'm looking at you , Atari 2600 Pacman and E.T .
The Extraterrestrial ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps lessons of the past haven't born the changes in the industry that they ought to have.
I'm looking at you, Atari 2600 Pacman and E.T.
The Extraterrestrial!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730927</id>
	<title>Re:That's easy....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I've been doing the last year is every time I go into a game shop, I go to the chart wall and rule out:</p><p>1. Film tie ins<br>2. Sequels<br>3. Sports games (e.g. Fifa)</p><p>Then you sorta get a chart worth considering (you may want to filter out some of the FPS games too). Actually, here we go, using the top 20 chart from here: <a href="http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php" title="vgchartz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php</a> [vgchartz.com] after filtering the above you have:</p><p>1. Wii Fit<br>2. The Conduit<br>3. BlazBlue: Calamity trigger</p><p>So out of the top 20, you have 3 games that aren't complete rehashes of an old concept, no wonder game sales are down. And I haven't even seen 2 or 3 in action, they may well be just another FPS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I 've been doing the last year is every time I go into a game shop , I go to the chart wall and rule out : 1 .
Film tie ins2 .
Sequels3. Sports games ( e.g .
Fifa ) Then you sorta get a chart worth considering ( you may want to filter out some of the FPS games too ) .
Actually , here we go , using the top 20 chart from here : http : //www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php [ vgchartz.com ] after filtering the above you have : 1 .
Wii Fit2 .
The Conduit3 .
BlazBlue : Calamity triggerSo out of the top 20 , you have 3 games that are n't complete rehashes of an old concept , no wonder game sales are down .
And I have n't even seen 2 or 3 in action , they may well be just another FPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I've been doing the last year is every time I go into a game shop, I go to the chart wall and rule out:1.
Film tie ins2.
Sequels3. Sports games (e.g.
Fifa)Then you sorta get a chart worth considering (you may want to filter out some of the FPS games too).
Actually, here we go, using the top 20 chart from here: http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php [vgchartz.com] after filtering the above you have:1.
Wii Fit2.
The Conduit3.
BlazBlue: Calamity triggerSo out of the top 20, you have 3 games that aren't complete rehashes of an old concept, no wonder game sales are down.
And I haven't even seen 2 or 3 in action, they may well be just another FPS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730477</id>
	<title>No good games!</title>
	<author>Blimey85</author>
	<datestamp>1247848200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can only speak for my wife and I but there just aren't any new titles we want to buy right now. Last game I bought was Fallout 3. Since then I've bought all 4 expansion packs. Next game I was planning on buying was Bioshock 2 but now that's been pushed back. There aren't any other games I'm caring about right now. Between Fallout 3 and Gears of War 2, I'm happy.<br> <br>
Maybe rather than blaming everything on the economy they should compare what came out this time last year to what has come out this year. I spend money when games I want to play are released. No good games = no spent cash. It's that simple. For me at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only speak for my wife and I but there just are n't any new titles we want to buy right now .
Last game I bought was Fallout 3 .
Since then I 've bought all 4 expansion packs .
Next game I was planning on buying was Bioshock 2 but now that 's been pushed back .
There are n't any other games I 'm caring about right now .
Between Fallout 3 and Gears of War 2 , I 'm happy .
Maybe rather than blaming everything on the economy they should compare what came out this time last year to what has come out this year .
I spend money when games I want to play are released .
No good games = no spent cash .
It 's that simple .
For me at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only speak for my wife and I but there just aren't any new titles we want to buy right now.
Last game I bought was Fallout 3.
Since then I've bought all 4 expansion packs.
Next game I was planning on buying was Bioshock 2 but now that's been pushed back.
There aren't any other games I'm caring about right now.
Between Fallout 3 and Gears of War 2, I'm happy.
Maybe rather than blaming everything on the economy they should compare what came out this time last year to what has come out this year.
I spend money when games I want to play are released.
No good games = no spent cash.
It's that simple.
For me at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730913</id>
	<title>Enough with the correlationisnotcausation tag</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1247849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The phrase is a reminder that two events may not be linked, not proof positive that they're not.  You don't measure below-average rainfall during a drought, and then say "Let's keep in mind, other factors could be at play than a drought!"  A drought IS an extended period of reduced rainfall, <i>by definition</i>.  Similarly, there is no question that low sales are linked to a recession, because they define a recession.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The phrase is a reminder that two events may not be linked , not proof positive that they 're not .
You do n't measure below-average rainfall during a drought , and then say " Let 's keep in mind , other factors could be at play than a drought !
" A drought IS an extended period of reduced rainfall , by definition .
Similarly , there is no question that low sales are linked to a recession , because they define a recession .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The phrase is a reminder that two events may not be linked, not proof positive that they're not.
You don't measure below-average rainfall during a drought, and then say "Let's keep in mind, other factors could be at play than a drought!
"  A drought IS an extended period of reduced rainfall, by definition.
Similarly, there is no question that low sales are linked to a recession, because they define a recession.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730735</id>
	<title>Three factors:</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1247849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Drastic increase of DRM disruptiveness and intrusiveness. This makes playing inconvenient.<br>2. Gameplay did not progress at all. I would say it stagnated, which means, no incentive to buy new games. Maybe people are NOT that infatuated with pretty graphics, after all?<br>3. Weak economy.</p><p>These three factors don't just add up, but multiply each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Drastic increase of DRM disruptiveness and intrusiveness .
This makes playing inconvenient.2 .
Gameplay did not progress at all .
I would say it stagnated , which means , no incentive to buy new games .
Maybe people are NOT that infatuated with pretty graphics , after all ? 3 .
Weak economy.These three factors do n't just add up , but multiply each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Drastic increase of DRM disruptiveness and intrusiveness.
This makes playing inconvenient.2.
Gameplay did not progress at all.
I would say it stagnated, which means, no incentive to buy new games.
Maybe people are NOT that infatuated with pretty graphics, after all?3.
Weak economy.These three factors don't just add up, but multiply each other.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732969</id>
	<title>Re:Innovation?</title>
	<author>PeanutButterBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1247858820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happened to innovation? Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same. Where is the cutting edge ? Something new that hasn't been done before ?</p> </div><p>Complaints about lack of innovation in games are hardly innovative.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I think back on earlier rpg's for e.g. The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets. Think of this with today's technology. </p></div><p>Thinking back to earlier games for features to re-tread is hardly innovative.</p><p>See, innovating is not so easy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happened to innovation ?
Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same .
Where is the cutting edge ?
Something new that has n't been done before ?
Complaints about lack of innovation in games are hardly innovative.I think back on earlier rpg 's for e.g .
The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets .
Think of this with today 's technology .
Thinking back to earlier games for features to re-tread is hardly innovative.See , innovating is not so easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happened to innovation?
Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same.
Where is the cutting edge ?
Something new that hasn't been done before ?
Complaints about lack of innovation in games are hardly innovative.I think back on earlier rpg's for e.g.
The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets.
Think of this with today's technology.
Thinking back to earlier games for features to re-tread is hardly innovative.See, innovating is not so easy.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730419</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735253</id>
	<title>Re:Innovation?</title>
	<author>think\_nix</author>
	<datestamp>1247826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>obviously none of the replies have been around since the 80's nuff said</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>obviously none of the replies have been around since the 80 's nuff said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obviously none of the replies have been around since the 80's nuff said</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730587</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247848620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Shitty Games + Shitty Ports + (Expensive Hardware * Greater Failure Rate) + A Dash of crappy backwards compatibility; is exactly what I'm looking for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Shitty Games + Shitty Ports + ( Expensive Hardware * Greater Failure Rate ) + A Dash of crappy backwards compatibility ; is exactly what I 'm looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Shitty Games + Shitty Ports + (Expensive Hardware * Greater Failure Rate) + A Dash of crappy backwards compatibility; is exactly what I'm looking for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732393</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Article says "HARDWARE and software", and then doesn't break them out. Who's buying new consoles now? The market will is probably close to saturated, and certainly on the downhill for console sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Article says " HARDWARE and software " , and then does n't break them out .
Who 's buying new consoles now ?
The market will is probably close to saturated , and certainly on the downhill for console sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article says "HARDWARE and software", and then doesn't break them out.
Who's buying new consoles now?
The market will is probably close to saturated, and certainly on the downhill for console sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730517</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>oneirophrenos</author>
	<datestamp>1247848380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If money is an issue, why not buy the game new, play it through, then sell it for half the price? That way you won't pay too much, you'll give someone else the pleasure of playing the game (for fraction of the cost), and you won't have piles of games cases lying around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If money is an issue , why not buy the game new , play it through , then sell it for half the price ?
That way you wo n't pay too much , you 'll give someone else the pleasure of playing the game ( for fraction of the cost ) , and you wo n't have piles of games cases lying around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If money is an issue, why not buy the game new, play it through, then sell it for half the price?
That way you won't pay too much, you'll give someone else the pleasure of playing the game (for fraction of the cost), and you won't have piles of games cases lying around.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730199</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734299</id>
	<title>The biggest *drop* you say?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247821860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet it was an EA game, wasn't it? ^^</p><p>Quick! Flush it, before it starts to stink!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet it was an EA game , was n't it ?
^ ^ Quick ! Flush it , before it starts to stink !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet it was an EA game, wasn't it?
^^Quick! Flush it, before it starts to stink!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730561</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Haffner</author>
	<datestamp>1247848500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic. If there's a new WoW expansion, new Call of Duty, new Valve shooter title, new SSB, new Halo, etc. titles released in one month, its obvious the next year same month will be down, probably 50-80\%. They must account for the games released during that time. This past June had no significant releases, so it makes sense sales would be down.

This is not (necessarily) evidence of a recession. More info is needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic .
If there 's a new WoW expansion , new Call of Duty , new Valve shooter title , new SSB , new Halo , etc .
titles released in one month , its obvious the next year same month will be down , probably 50-80 \ % .
They must account for the games released during that time .
This past June had no significant releases , so it makes sense sales would be down .
This is not ( necessarily ) evidence of a recession .
More info is needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic.
If there's a new WoW expansion, new Call of Duty, new Valve shooter title, new SSB, new Halo, etc.
titles released in one month, its obvious the next year same month will be down, probably 50-80\%.
They must account for the games released during that time.
This past June had no significant releases, so it makes sense sales would be down.
This is not (necessarily) evidence of a recession.
More info is needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735219</id>
	<title>Or flakwolf.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great way to trade games on the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great way to trade games on the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great way to trade games on the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730223</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731297</id>
	<title>Ya</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1247851740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never gotten why people like that comparison metric. I mean I understand wanting to compare to how you did last year but at least to a 6 month rolling average. Games do not come out on rigid schedules, it isn't like "On the 4th day of June each year a massively popular game WILL be released." No, they come out when they are done, particularly in the case of better games. So you have to look at the sales over a period of time, like 6-12 months. If less games are sold for the whole year of 2009 than 2008 then yes, clearly there is a problem for the game industry. However if one month is down, so what? Maybe it just means that something people really want slid a month.</p><p>I know as a gamer I don't go around saying "Ok, it is time to buy my May game," I buy games when one I want comes out and I've got time to play it. That could mean I buy 3 games in a month, or that I buy no games for 3 months. It all depends on what is coming out when, and how my time is looking. Currently, I'm having to hold off on purchasing more games because I have too many, I've got a backlog. I bought games that I haven't yet got around to playing. Did that with Fallout 3. Picked it up not long after release since I love Fallout and it was on special. However, other than playing the intro, I haven't got around to it. Not because I wasn't enjoying it, just because I've been playing other things. However I want to play it, and I will, it is just an issue of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never gotten why people like that comparison metric .
I mean I understand wanting to compare to how you did last year but at least to a 6 month rolling average .
Games do not come out on rigid schedules , it is n't like " On the 4th day of June each year a massively popular game WILL be released .
" No , they come out when they are done , particularly in the case of better games .
So you have to look at the sales over a period of time , like 6-12 months .
If less games are sold for the whole year of 2009 than 2008 then yes , clearly there is a problem for the game industry .
However if one month is down , so what ?
Maybe it just means that something people really want slid a month.I know as a gamer I do n't go around saying " Ok , it is time to buy my May game , " I buy games when one I want comes out and I 've got time to play it .
That could mean I buy 3 games in a month , or that I buy no games for 3 months .
It all depends on what is coming out when , and how my time is looking .
Currently , I 'm having to hold off on purchasing more games because I have too many , I 've got a backlog .
I bought games that I have n't yet got around to playing .
Did that with Fallout 3 .
Picked it up not long after release since I love Fallout and it was on special .
However , other than playing the intro , I have n't got around to it .
Not because I was n't enjoying it , just because I 've been playing other things .
However I want to play it , and I will , it is just an issue of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never gotten why people like that comparison metric.
I mean I understand wanting to compare to how you did last year but at least to a 6 month rolling average.
Games do not come out on rigid schedules, it isn't like "On the 4th day of June each year a massively popular game WILL be released.
" No, they come out when they are done, particularly in the case of better games.
So you have to look at the sales over a period of time, like 6-12 months.
If less games are sold for the whole year of 2009 than 2008 then yes, clearly there is a problem for the game industry.
However if one month is down, so what?
Maybe it just means that something people really want slid a month.I know as a gamer I don't go around saying "Ok, it is time to buy my May game," I buy games when one I want comes out and I've got time to play it.
That could mean I buy 3 games in a month, or that I buy no games for 3 months.
It all depends on what is coming out when, and how my time is looking.
Currently, I'm having to hold off on purchasing more games because I have too many, I've got a backlog.
I bought games that I haven't yet got around to playing.
Did that with Fallout 3.
Picked it up not long after release since I love Fallout and it was on special.
However, other than playing the intro, I haven't got around to it.
Not because I wasn't enjoying it, just because I've been playing other things.
However I want to play it, and I will, it is just an issue of time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730209</id>
	<title>chat</title>
	<author>chatsohbet</author>
	<datestamp>1247847240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>your website very quality
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<tokenext>your website very quality http : //www.sohbetbox.net/ [ sohbetbox.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your website very quality
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730931</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247850000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I concur.  There hasn't been a decent game released in about 5 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I concur .
There has n't been a decent game released in about 5 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I concur.
There hasn't been a decent game released in about 5 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734463</id>
	<title>It can't be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247822580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> That games went up in price as people upgraded consoles, I know im buying all my games used now.  Content has dropped off in quantity as they hope the sequal may make more cash and the sameness of titles is starting to make them all be equally less attractive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That games went up in price as people upgraded consoles , I know im buying all my games used now .
Content has dropped off in quantity as they hope the sequal may make more cash and the sameness of titles is starting to make them all be equally less attractive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That games went up in price as people upgraded consoles, I know im buying all my games used now.
Content has dropped off in quantity as they hope the sequal may make more cash and the sameness of titles is starting to make them all be equally less attractive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730219</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>matazar</author>
	<datestamp>1247847240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah there hasn't been anything good out for a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah there has n't been anything good out for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah there hasn't been anything good out for a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28739721</id>
	<title>Time for a single online access standard?</title>
	<author>MtViewGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247920020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think in the end, since videogames have substantial online components nowadays, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and the biggest game companies like EA and the Japanese game companies should do one very simple thing: create a true <i>unified</i> online access standard for multiplayer games that works regardless of platform.</p><p>Imagine a few years from now you're playing a future version of <i>Madden NFL Football</i> from EA Sports. With a unified online access system, you can create an online account with all your game settings that would work regardless of platform. That means when you create an online profile for <i>Madden NFL</i> on an XBox machine, you can go to a friend's house that has a PlayStation machine and log in to play the game with all your original game settings completely intact, or go to another friend's house to do exactly the same thing with a network-connected future Nintendo Wii variant, or even do it on a PC or Mac with the appropriate hardware/software and broadband Internet connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think in the end , since videogames have substantial online components nowadays , Sony , Microsoft , Nintendo and the biggest game companies like EA and the Japanese game companies should do one very simple thing : create a true unified online access standard for multiplayer games that works regardless of platform.Imagine a few years from now you 're playing a future version of Madden NFL Football from EA Sports .
With a unified online access system , you can create an online account with all your game settings that would work regardless of platform .
That means when you create an online profile for Madden NFL on an XBox machine , you can go to a friend 's house that has a PlayStation machine and log in to play the game with all your original game settings completely intact , or go to another friend 's house to do exactly the same thing with a network-connected future Nintendo Wii variant , or even do it on a PC or Mac with the appropriate hardware/software and broadband Internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think in the end, since videogames have substantial online components nowadays, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and the biggest game companies like EA and the Japanese game companies should do one very simple thing: create a true unified online access standard for multiplayer games that works regardless of platform.Imagine a few years from now you're playing a future version of Madden NFL Football from EA Sports.
With a unified online access system, you can create an online account with all your game settings that would work regardless of platform.
That means when you create an online profile for Madden NFL on an XBox machine, you can go to a friend's house that has a PlayStation machine and log in to play the game with all your original game settings completely intact, or go to another friend's house to do exactly the same thing with a network-connected future Nintendo Wii variant, or even do it on a PC or Mac with the appropriate hardware/software and broadband Internet connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730861</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic.</p></div><p>True. Good statistical analysis has in large part - at least in popular media - yielded to sensational headlines and talking heads.</p><p>An interesting study would be to compare video game release and sales figures (FPS, RPG, online, 'thinking games' like Portal, etc.) with the development of image rendering techniques, hardware advances, and anything else with a supposed effect on video game production or sales.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic.True .
Good statistical analysis has in large part - at least in popular media - yielded to sensational headlines and talking heads.An interesting study would be to compare video game release and sales figures ( FPS , RPG , online , 'thinking games ' like Portal , etc .
) with the development of image rendering techniques , hardware advances , and anything else with a supposed effect on video game production or sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same-month sales in videogames is a useless statistic.True.
Good statistical analysis has in large part - at least in popular media - yielded to sensational headlines and talking heads.An interesting study would be to compare video game release and sales figures (FPS, RPG, online, 'thinking games' like Portal, etc.
) with the development of image rendering techniques, hardware advances, and anything else with a supposed effect on video game production or sales.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730283</id>
	<title>Going back to old games</title>
	<author>tangent3</author>
	<datestamp>1247847420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.</p><p>Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island though</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the lack of decent games ( especially those that are playable under linux or wine ) recently , I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur 's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island though</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island though</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730355</id>
	<title>Well, I'm not stopping!</title>
	<author>Gizzmonic</author>
	<datestamp>1247847720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am unbelievable wealthy and I will continue to buy a lot of games!  The economy?  Pah!  It matters not one whit to me!  Now, fetch me my gold-plated Playstation 3!  While I play the role of "Snake" in Metal Gear Solid 4, you plebes can stick to playing "Snake" on your outdated mobile phones!  Hah, hah, hah!  Worms!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am unbelievable wealthy and I will continue to buy a lot of games !
The economy ?
Pah ! It matters not one whit to me !
Now , fetch me my gold-plated Playstation 3 !
While I play the role of " Snake " in Metal Gear Solid 4 , you plebes can stick to playing " Snake " on your outdated mobile phones !
Hah , hah , hah !
Worms !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am unbelievable wealthy and I will continue to buy a lot of games!
The economy?
Pah!  It matters not one whit to me!
Now, fetch me my gold-plated Playstation 3!
While I play the role of "Snake" in Metal Gear Solid 4, you plebes can stick to playing "Snake" on your outdated mobile phones!
Hah, hah, hah!
Worms!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730703</id>
	<title>Who buys games anymore?!</title>
	<author>jinushaun</author>
	<datestamp>1247849160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Renting or buying used games is a MUCH smarter alternative. Too many games bought to only be played for 3weeks before collecting dust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Renting or buying used games is a MUCH smarter alternative .
Too many games bought to only be played for 3weeks before collecting dust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Renting or buying used games is a MUCH smarter alternative.
Too many games bought to only be played for 3weeks before collecting dust.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730803</id>
	<title>Re:It's "CUE" you dumbfuck</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1247849580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Stop trying so hard.  The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.</p><p>captcha: souped</p></div><p>Nah, there are just so many idiots making the "Piracy is killing our bottom line" excuse that we've decided to make them stand in line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop trying so hard .
The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.captcha : soupedNah , there are just so many idiots making the " Piracy is killing our bottom line " excuse that we 've decided to make them stand in line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop trying so hard.
The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.captcha: soupedNah, there are just so many idiots making the "Piracy is killing our bottom line" excuse that we've decided to make them stand in line.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731155</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1247850960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have recommended Left 4 Dead, an absolutely terriffic 'zombie horror movie' game focused on co-op/multiplayer. Of course, since Left 4 Dead 2 was announced, I'd wait for that, but it's sure to be better than the original.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have recommended Left 4 Dead , an absolutely terriffic 'zombie horror movie ' game focused on co-op/multiplayer .
Of course , since Left 4 Dead 2 was announced , I 'd wait for that , but it 's sure to be better than the original .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have recommended Left 4 Dead, an absolutely terriffic 'zombie horror movie' game focused on co-op/multiplayer.
Of course, since Left 4 Dead 2 was announced, I'd wait for that, but it's sure to be better than the original.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730375</id>
	<title>Re:Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>cashman73</author>
	<datestamp>1247847780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be honest, I don't think piracy is necessarily to blame here. Sure, there are plenty of pirated games out there, but downloading the torrents, installing them, running the cracks, and other stuff, isn't quite as straightforward as downloading a torrent of 15-20 songs on a CD and loading them into iTunes (or whatever you use). The only game I've ever actually "pirated" is Civilization IV, but that's only because the CD that I legitimately purchased got worn out, and I didn't want to deal with the hassle and bureaucracy of replacing it. So I just downloaded a new one. I wouldn't exactly call that real and true "piracy".<p>

I think the real problem is that the game content has just gotten old, repetitive, and has lost its "wow factor". I mean, when Doom and Quake came out in the 90s, we were amazed at the graphics, and the levels, and searching for stuff, and blowing up monsters. But that sort of shoot-em-up mantra gets old after awhile. Plus, we've been promised a hugely awesome Duke Nukem Forever game, and they've hyped that like crazy every 2-3 years, for the past 15 years,... and we've still seen nothing. So if they can't figure out why their sales are dropping, I got nothin' for 'em!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , I do n't think piracy is necessarily to blame here .
Sure , there are plenty of pirated games out there , but downloading the torrents , installing them , running the cracks , and other stuff , is n't quite as straightforward as downloading a torrent of 15-20 songs on a CD and loading them into iTunes ( or whatever you use ) .
The only game I 've ever actually " pirated " is Civilization IV , but that 's only because the CD that I legitimately purchased got worn out , and I did n't want to deal with the hassle and bureaucracy of replacing it .
So I just downloaded a new one .
I would n't exactly call that real and true " piracy " .
I think the real problem is that the game content has just gotten old , repetitive , and has lost its " wow factor " .
I mean , when Doom and Quake came out in the 90s , we were amazed at the graphics , and the levels , and searching for stuff , and blowing up monsters .
But that sort of shoot-em-up mantra gets old after awhile .
Plus , we 've been promised a hugely awesome Duke Nukem Forever game , and they 've hyped that like crazy every 2-3 years , for the past 15 years,... and we 've still seen nothing .
So if they ca n't figure out why their sales are dropping , I got nothin ' for 'em !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, I don't think piracy is necessarily to blame here.
Sure, there are plenty of pirated games out there, but downloading the torrents, installing them, running the cracks, and other stuff, isn't quite as straightforward as downloading a torrent of 15-20 songs on a CD and loading them into iTunes (or whatever you use).
The only game I've ever actually "pirated" is Civilization IV, but that's only because the CD that I legitimately purchased got worn out, and I didn't want to deal with the hassle and bureaucracy of replacing it.
So I just downloaded a new one.
I wouldn't exactly call that real and true "piracy".
I think the real problem is that the game content has just gotten old, repetitive, and has lost its "wow factor".
I mean, when Doom and Quake came out in the 90s, we were amazed at the graphics, and the levels, and searching for stuff, and blowing up monsters.
But that sort of shoot-em-up mantra gets old after awhile.
Plus, we've been promised a hugely awesome Duke Nukem Forever game, and they've hyped that like crazy every 2-3 years, for the past 15 years,... and we've still seen nothing.
So if they can't figure out why their sales are dropping, I got nothin' for 'em!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731681</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1247853360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seconded. Plus if you like a game you may pay it for a while. I just got Oblivion and Morrowind. I have played Morrowind on a friends pc a while ago. I picked up both games and all expansions for $30. For two games with all expansions $30 is a good deal. I still have some old games age of empires and Unreal, Unreal Tournament, others from the late 1990s and early 2000, 2001. These are old. But they work and they cost me time to play not X amount of dollars a month to play.</p><p>Maybe some people are realizing that paying $10-$15 a month on top of the $40-70 a game is too expensive.</p><p>Plus if I do not play these game for 5-6 months I do not feel like I lost something or am not getting my moneys worth out of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seconded .
Plus if you like a game you may pay it for a while .
I just got Oblivion and Morrowind .
I have played Morrowind on a friends pc a while ago .
I picked up both games and all expansions for $ 30 .
For two games with all expansions $ 30 is a good deal .
I still have some old games age of empires and Unreal , Unreal Tournament , others from the late 1990s and early 2000 , 2001 .
These are old .
But they work and they cost me time to play not X amount of dollars a month to play.Maybe some people are realizing that paying $ 10- $ 15 a month on top of the $ 40-70 a game is too expensive.Plus if I do not play these game for 5-6 months I do not feel like I lost something or am not getting my moneys worth out of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seconded.
Plus if you like a game you may pay it for a while.
I just got Oblivion and Morrowind.
I have played Morrowind on a friends pc a while ago.
I picked up both games and all expansions for $30.
For two games with all expansions $30 is a good deal.
I still have some old games age of empires and Unreal, Unreal Tournament, others from the late 1990s and early 2000, 2001.
These are old.
But they work and they cost me time to play not X amount of dollars a month to play.Maybe some people are realizing that paying $10-$15 a month on top of the $40-70 a game is too expensive.Plus if I do not play these game for 5-6 months I do not feel like I lost something or am not getting my moneys worth out of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730569</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>Blimey85</author>
	<datestamp>1247848560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good recent games... or somewhat recent... Fallout 3, Gears of War 2... umm... Call of Duty whatever it's up to now... 4 or 5...<br> <br>
Horde in GOW2 is a lot of fun online. 50 waves of enemies against you and a few buddies. If you get a good team it's great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good recent games... or somewhat recent... Fallout 3 , Gears of War 2... umm... Call of Duty whatever it 's up to now... 4 or 5.. . Horde in GOW2 is a lot of fun online .
50 waves of enemies against you and a few buddies .
If you get a good team it 's great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good recent games... or somewhat recent... Fallout 3, Gears of War 2... umm... Call of Duty whatever it's up to now... 4 or 5... 
Horde in GOW2 is a lot of fun online.
50 waves of enemies against you and a few buddies.
If you get a good team it's great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734345</id>
	<title>Re:Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1247822100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude, if you just played your worn-out Civ IV CD backward it would just run Civ VI instead. Play that enough that will get worn out and you'll be back to Civ IV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , if you just played your worn-out Civ IV CD backward it would just run Civ VI instead .
Play that enough that will get worn out and you 'll be back to Civ IV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, if you just played your worn-out Civ IV CD backward it would just run Civ VI instead.
Play that enough that will get worn out and you'll be back to Civ IV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730301</id>
	<title>Still Catching Up</title>
	<author>A. B3ttik</author>
	<datestamp>1247847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I haven't bought any games recently because I'm still catching up on all the great games that came out recently!
<br> <br>
I'm re-playing FEAR 2.
I'm playing FAR CRY 2 for the first time.
Need to start and finish DAMNATION.
Need to finish the LOST: VIA DOMUS crap-heap.
Recently beat PLANTS vs. ZOMBIES.
All whilst still playing TEAM FORTRESS 2.
<br> <br>
My laundry list for games to buy is long, but I'm waiting until I finish these! I want to play TRINE, I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam, I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO.
<br> <br>
This is actually a great time for games, for me personally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I have n't bought any games recently because I 'm still catching up on all the great games that came out recently !
I 'm re-playing FEAR 2 .
I 'm playing FAR CRY 2 for the first time .
Need to start and finish DAMNATION .
Need to finish the LOST : VIA DOMUS crap-heap .
Recently beat PLANTS vs. ZOMBIES . All whilst still playing TEAM FORTRESS 2 .
My laundry list for games to buy is long , but I 'm waiting until I finish these !
I want to play TRINE , I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam , I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO .
This is actually a great time for games , for me personally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I haven't bought any games recently because I'm still catching up on all the great games that came out recently!
I'm re-playing FEAR 2.
I'm playing FAR CRY 2 for the first time.
Need to start and finish DAMNATION.
Need to finish the LOST: VIA DOMUS crap-heap.
Recently beat PLANTS vs. ZOMBIES.
All whilst still playing TEAM FORTRESS 2.
My laundry list for games to buy is long, but I'm waiting until I finish these!
I want to play TRINE, I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam, I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO.
This is actually a great time for games, for me personally.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731441</id>
	<title>Re:Enough with the correlationisnotcausation tag</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1247852400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, I just spent the last twenty minutes typing up a poignant response to your ignorance of the phrase, but now I don't think you'd understand it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , I just spent the last twenty minutes typing up a poignant response to your ignorance of the phrase , but now I do n't think you 'd understand it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, I just spent the last twenty minutes typing up a poignant response to your ignorance of the phrase, but now I don't think you'd understand it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28737745</id>
	<title>Re:That's easy....</title>
	<author>analog\_line</author>
	<datestamp>1247844660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately, and change the graphics and call it amazing. Bioshock had a good story, but that was like 2 years ago already.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, all Bioshock had was its story, because after the first 20 minutes or so it was pathetically easy, no matter the "difficulty level" and about as scary and suspenseful as the Cliff Notes version of Heart of Darkness.  The story and art direction were its only saving graces, so lucky for them they were especially good ones.</p><p>And as far as "it's been only shooters" I dunno where you pulled that from.  Yeah, I'm sure you could pick a time frame where it's just been shooters that's been released on a particular console, but it's blindness (willful or otherwise) to believe that's the truth across all the consoles.  There's a steady stream of localized RPGs/SRPGs on the PS2, PSP, and DS.  The DS has so many titles coming out for it, hardly any of them shooters, that I can't imagine why you think that's all that's out there, unless you don't consider the DS a "real console".</p></div>
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<tokenext>Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately , and change the graphics and call it amazing .
Bioshock had a good story , but that was like 2 years ago already.Well , all Bioshock had was its story , because after the first 20 minutes or so it was pathetically easy , no matter the " difficulty level " and about as scary and suspenseful as the Cliff Notes version of Heart of Darkness .
The story and art direction were its only saving graces , so lucky for them they were especially good ones.And as far as " it 's been only shooters " I dunno where you pulled that from .
Yeah , I 'm sure you could pick a time frame where it 's just been shooters that 's been released on a particular console , but it 's blindness ( willful or otherwise ) to believe that 's the truth across all the consoles .
There 's a steady stream of localized RPGs/SRPGs on the PS2 , PSP , and DS .
The DS has so many titles coming out for it , hardly any of them shooters , that I ca n't imagine why you think that 's all that 's out there , unless you do n't consider the DS a " real console " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately, and change the graphics and call it amazing.
Bioshock had a good story, but that was like 2 years ago already.Well, all Bioshock had was its story, because after the first 20 minutes or so it was pathetically easy, no matter the "difficulty level" and about as scary and suspenseful as the Cliff Notes version of Heart of Darkness.
The story and art direction were its only saving graces, so lucky for them they were especially good ones.And as far as "it's been only shooters" I dunno where you pulled that from.
Yeah, I'm sure you could pick a time frame where it's just been shooters that's been released on a particular console, but it's blindness (willful or otherwise) to believe that's the truth across all the consoles.
There's a steady stream of localized RPGs/SRPGs on the PS2, PSP, and DS.
The DS has so many titles coming out for it, hardly any of them shooters, that I can't imagine why you think that's all that's out there, unless you don't consider the DS a "real console".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731289</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1247851680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside. It's just not worth it anymore.</p> </div><p>

Every console except perhaps the PS3 (too expensive initial price so I really haven't looked into it much) does too and the 360 is worse than the Wii. By the time you invest $100 into a HD, $100 into a Wi-Fi adapter plus an extra $50 for all the accessories needed to play an online game (not to mention the XBL Gold subscription itself) you have a very, very, very expensive console.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And to add to the cost , so many consoles ( especially the Wii ) require buying extra peripherals , which will also end up going to the wayside .
It 's just not worth it anymore .
Every console except perhaps the PS3 ( too expensive initial price so I really have n't looked into it much ) does too and the 360 is worse than the Wii .
By the time you invest $ 100 into a HD , $ 100 into a Wi-Fi adapter plus an extra $ 50 for all the accessories needed to play an online game ( not to mention the XBL Gold subscription itself ) you have a very , very , very expensive console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside.
It's just not worth it anymore.
Every console except perhaps the PS3 (too expensive initial price so I really haven't looked into it much) does too and the 360 is worse than the Wii.
By the time you invest $100 into a HD, $100 into a Wi-Fi adapter plus an extra $50 for all the accessories needed to play an online game (not to mention the XBL Gold subscription itself) you have a very, very, very expensive console.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735147</id>
	<title>Re:I get a little tired of this one</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1247825820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, but the fact that you're looking for innovation in a sequel, and a Blizzard one at that, doesn't exactly support your position. Go play Sega's Total War series (I recommend Medieval 2) and Stardock's Sins of a Solar Empire, then come back and tell me "RTSes have been done to death".</p><p>As for FPSs, the sheer number of them means that they'll all feel "generic" sooner or later, but I still wouldn't say that Red Orchestra and Unreal Tournament 2004 are "largely the same". Innovative new titles, dunno though, I'm saving my money for Sniper Elite which looks unique but only time will tell if it is so, instead of just Call of Duty with a sniper rifle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but the fact that you 're looking for innovation in a sequel , and a Blizzard one at that , does n't exactly support your position .
Go play Sega 's Total War series ( I recommend Medieval 2 ) and Stardock 's Sins of a Solar Empire , then come back and tell me " RTSes have been done to death " .As for FPSs , the sheer number of them means that they 'll all feel " generic " sooner or later , but I still would n't say that Red Orchestra and Unreal Tournament 2004 are " largely the same " .
Innovative new titles , dunno though , I 'm saving my money for Sniper Elite which looks unique but only time will tell if it is so , instead of just Call of Duty with a sniper rifle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, but the fact that you're looking for innovation in a sequel, and a Blizzard one at that, doesn't exactly support your position.
Go play Sega's Total War series (I recommend Medieval 2) and Stardock's Sins of a Solar Empire, then come back and tell me "RTSes have been done to death".As for FPSs, the sheer number of them means that they'll all feel "generic" sooner or later, but I still wouldn't say that Red Orchestra and Unreal Tournament 2004 are "largely the same".
Innovative new titles, dunno though, I'm saving my money for Sniper Elite which looks unique but only time will tell if it is so, instead of just Call of Duty with a sniper rifle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730495</id>
	<title>Re:Still Catching Up</title>
	<author>arb phd slp</author>
	<datestamp>1247848260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My laundry list for games to buy is long, but I'm waiting until I finish these! I want to play TRINE, I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam, I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO.</p><p>
&nbsp; This is actually a great time for games, for me personally.</p></div><p>I've been on a Virtual Console buying spree, in fact. I'd never played Majora's Mask before so I grabbed that. I'm completely stumped by the Bit.Trip series (so simple and yet so HARD). And I love that Monkey Island and other Lucasarts games are back.<br>New games on a disk in shrinkwrap... not so much lately.</p></div>
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<tokenext>My laundry list for games to buy is long , but I 'm waiting until I finish these !
I want to play TRINE , I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam , I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO .
  This is actually a great time for games , for me personally.I 've been on a Virtual Console buying spree , in fact .
I 'd never played Majora 's Mask before so I grabbed that .
I 'm completely stumped by the Bit.Trip series ( so simple and yet so HARD ) .
And I love that Monkey Island and other Lucasarts games are back.New games on a disk in shrinkwrap... not so much lately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laundry list for games to buy is long, but I'm waiting until I finish these!
I want to play TRINE, I want to buy and re-play all those LUCASARTS games that just came out again on Steam, I want to start another MMO like the new Star Trek Online or Knight of the Old Republic MMO.
  This is actually a great time for games, for me personally.I've been on a Virtual Console buying spree, in fact.
I'd never played Majora's Mask before so I grabbed that.
I'm completely stumped by the Bit.Trip series (so simple and yet so HARD).
And I love that Monkey Island and other Lucasarts games are back.New games on a disk in shrinkwrap... not so much lately.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731489</id>
	<title>Re:Rent</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1247852580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I insisted that we start renting games instead of buying them, but my roomate seems content on spending 60 bucks on a crap game like Transformers 2.</p><p>But then he goes out and grabs Red Faction at the same time, so its like... almost even?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I insisted that we start renting games instead of buying them , but my roomate seems content on spending 60 bucks on a crap game like Transformers 2.But then he goes out and grabs Red Faction at the same time , so its like... almost even ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I insisted that we start renting games instead of buying them, but my roomate seems content on spending 60 bucks on a crap game like Transformers 2.But then he goes out and grabs Red Faction at the same time, so its like... almost even?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731129</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247850900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would totally agree with this. I mean I fit the demographic, I am male, in my 30's now own my own home, car, and I am employed with job security. What is keeping me from buying games. <br>
<br>
Simply 2 things.<br>
1. There are no new games out that sound any fun. <br>
2. Game that are out that I want are DRM loaded and I am waiting for them to come to their senses. <br>
<br>
That's it. Its that simple. There are games I want to buy and play but the DRM keeps me away from buying them they can thank Sony for me not wanting to install DRM crap to screw up my computer. So if you put DRM in it, to prevent piracy, you keep the honest person away not wanting the extra crap. The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought. I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM, bleh.<br>
<br>
I did buy 2 games in the month of June, they were older out of print games put up on Ebay. Why because I wanted to play those games when they came out but at that time something else was going on in my life and I have so far enjoyed those games. <br>
<br>
Also games are becoming less fun and more just wow graphics. I still to this day play the first Age of Empires. It was very strategic and well thought out, the graphics sucked but I wasn't in it for the graphics and some of the games would take 8-10 hours to complete you had the ability to go in create new terrains and random maps was never the same terrain twice, ever, after all these years. The new AOE games, pale in comparison. They have funky cool 3d graphics but the same lands and terrains over and over again. Once you learn a terrain there is no challenge anymore. AOE 1 In the most difficult modes I can still get my ass kicked by the computer once in a while. The new AOE, within a month it is mastered and of no use, so I quit buying those lines. Supposedly there is a new Thief game coming out, and I always loved the Thief lines, this is one of my favorite lines ever. But if they put DRM in it I will not buy it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would totally agree with this .
I mean I fit the demographic , I am male , in my 30 's now own my own home , car , and I am employed with job security .
What is keeping me from buying games .
Simply 2 things .
1. There are no new games out that sound any fun .
2. Game that are out that I want are DRM loaded and I am waiting for them to come to their senses .
That 's it .
Its that simple .
There are games I want to buy and play but the DRM keeps me away from buying them they can thank Sony for me not wanting to install DRM crap to screw up my computer .
So if you put DRM in it , to prevent piracy , you keep the honest person away not wanting the extra crap .
The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought .
I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM , bleh .
I did buy 2 games in the month of June , they were older out of print games put up on Ebay .
Why because I wanted to play those games when they came out but at that time something else was going on in my life and I have so far enjoyed those games .
Also games are becoming less fun and more just wow graphics .
I still to this day play the first Age of Empires .
It was very strategic and well thought out , the graphics sucked but I was n't in it for the graphics and some of the games would take 8-10 hours to complete you had the ability to go in create new terrains and random maps was never the same terrain twice , ever , after all these years .
The new AOE games , pale in comparison .
They have funky cool 3d graphics but the same lands and terrains over and over again .
Once you learn a terrain there is no challenge anymore .
AOE 1 In the most difficult modes I can still get my ass kicked by the computer once in a while .
The new AOE , within a month it is mastered and of no use , so I quit buying those lines .
Supposedly there is a new Thief game coming out , and I always loved the Thief lines , this is one of my favorite lines ever .
But if they put DRM in it I will not buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would totally agree with this.
I mean I fit the demographic, I am male, in my 30's now own my own home, car, and I am employed with job security.
What is keeping me from buying games.
Simply 2 things.
1. There are no new games out that sound any fun.
2. Game that are out that I want are DRM loaded and I am waiting for them to come to their senses.
That's it.
Its that simple.
There are games I want to buy and play but the DRM keeps me away from buying them they can thank Sony for me not wanting to install DRM crap to screw up my computer.
So if you put DRM in it, to prevent piracy, you keep the honest person away not wanting the extra crap.
The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought.
I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM, bleh.
I did buy 2 games in the month of June, they were older out of print games put up on Ebay.
Why because I wanted to play those games when they came out but at that time something else was going on in my life and I have so far enjoyed those games.
Also games are becoming less fun and more just wow graphics.
I still to this day play the first Age of Empires.
It was very strategic and well thought out, the graphics sucked but I wasn't in it for the graphics and some of the games would take 8-10 hours to complete you had the ability to go in create new terrains and random maps was never the same terrain twice, ever, after all these years.
The new AOE games, pale in comparison.
They have funky cool 3d graphics but the same lands and terrains over and over again.
Once you learn a terrain there is no challenge anymore.
AOE 1 In the most difficult modes I can still get my ass kicked by the computer once in a while.
The new AOE, within a month it is mastered and of no use, so I quit buying those lines.
Supposedly there is a new Thief game coming out, and I always loved the Thief lines, this is one of my favorite lines ever.
But if they put DRM in it I will not buy it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731407</id>
	<title>DNAS Error -103</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1247852220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sick of seeing games priced at $59.99. I can wait until they hit ~$30 and buy them then.</p></div><p>How do you work around "DNAS Error -103: This software title is not in service" once the publisher has pulled the plug on, say, a PS2 game's matchmaking servers after a year or two? Or do you stick to single-player or sofa multiplayer? And how long do you expect to wait for Nintendo's <i>Earthbound</i> to become affordable again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sick of seeing games priced at $ 59.99 .
I can wait until they hit ~ $ 30 and buy them then.How do you work around " DNAS Error -103 : This software title is not in service " once the publisher has pulled the plug on , say , a PS2 game 's matchmaking servers after a year or two ?
Or do you stick to single-player or sofa multiplayer ?
And how long do you expect to wait for Nintendo 's Earthbound to become affordable again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sick of seeing games priced at $59.99.
I can wait until they hit ~$30 and buy them then.How do you work around "DNAS Error -103: This software title is not in service" once the publisher has pulled the plug on, say, a PS2 game's matchmaking servers after a year or two?
Or do you stick to single-player or sofa multiplayer?
And how long do you expect to wait for Nintendo's Earthbound to become affordable again?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730265</id>
	<title>wtf</title>
	<author>djupedal</author>
	<datestamp>1247847420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Recession, my ass....try game exchanges, emulators and the iPhone/touch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recession , my ass....try game exchanges , emulators and the iPhone/touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recession, my ass....try game exchanges, emulators and the iPhone/touch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731207</id>
	<title>Re:Steam</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1247851140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't mind using a controller rather than a keyboard (I never really enjoyed using a keyboard), you can find a lot of these games for the 360/PS3 a lot cheaper. You can buy Left 4 Dead for ~$30 used easily if you have a few gaming shops nearby, and same with Fallout 3. The thing I hate about Steam (besides all the things about PC gaming) is the fact that their prices are so expensive. For example, the Orange Box which I can pick up for about $15 costs twice as much, and if you just want to play a certain component it costs almost as much as the collection itelf (Portal, while a pretty fun game, isn't worth $20). About the only benefit is you get the SDK so you can mod some things but thats still $15 more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't mind using a controller rather than a keyboard ( I never really enjoyed using a keyboard ) , you can find a lot of these games for the 360/PS3 a lot cheaper .
You can buy Left 4 Dead for ~ $ 30 used easily if you have a few gaming shops nearby , and same with Fallout 3 .
The thing I hate about Steam ( besides all the things about PC gaming ) is the fact that their prices are so expensive .
For example , the Orange Box which I can pick up for about $ 15 costs twice as much , and if you just want to play a certain component it costs almost as much as the collection itelf ( Portal , while a pretty fun game , is n't worth $ 20 ) .
About the only benefit is you get the SDK so you can mod some things but thats still $ 15 more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't mind using a controller rather than a keyboard (I never really enjoyed using a keyboard), you can find a lot of these games for the 360/PS3 a lot cheaper.
You can buy Left 4 Dead for ~$30 used easily if you have a few gaming shops nearby, and same with Fallout 3.
The thing I hate about Steam (besides all the things about PC gaming) is the fact that their prices are so expensive.
For example, the Orange Box which I can pick up for about $15 costs twice as much, and if you just want to play a certain component it costs almost as much as the collection itelf (Portal, while a pretty fun game, isn't worth $20).
About the only benefit is you get the SDK so you can mod some things but thats still $15 more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730289</id>
	<title>Re:Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>sircastor</author>
	<datestamp>1247847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was just about to say the same thing. Then They'll use it for further argument to fuel their DRM plans, further destroying business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just about to say the same thing .
Then They 'll use it for further argument to fuel their DRM plans , further destroying business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just about to say the same thing.
Then They'll use it for further argument to fuel their DRM plans, further destroying business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730663</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1247848980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow first post was dead on. Games have gone from "made for quality" to "made for quantity/filler/gametime", especially this year it's become more prominent. Is this supposed to be a surprise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow first post was dead on .
Games have gone from " made for quality " to " made for quantity/filler/gametime " , especially this year it 's become more prominent .
Is this supposed to be a surprise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow first post was dead on.
Games have gone from "made for quality" to "made for quantity/filler/gametime", especially this year it's become more prominent.
Is this supposed to be a surprise?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732093</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>insomniac8400</author>
	<datestamp>1247855040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have ghostbusters. But for 60 bucks, it's hard to justify any new game purchase that doesn't have the utility of halo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have ghostbusters .
But for 60 bucks , it 's hard to justify any new game purchase that does n't have the utility of halo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have ghostbusters.
But for 60 bucks, it's hard to justify any new game purchase that doesn't have the utility of halo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730513</id>
	<title>Are they seriously using</title>
	<author>runningman24</author>
	<datestamp>1247848380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>a 1 month sample size?   As a gamer, I can say that I had disposable income this month and wanted new games for my 360, but didn't see anything worth my $60.   I ended up buying some games that came out last year used from Gamestop.

You would also expect hardware sales for the major consoles to be declining, as they've been out for so many years now.  There's nothing in those numbers that makes linking this to the recession, anything more than a random guess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>a 1 month sample size ?
As a gamer , I can say that I had disposable income this month and wanted new games for my 360 , but did n't see anything worth my $ 60 .
I ended up buying some games that came out last year used from Gamestop .
You would also expect hardware sales for the major consoles to be declining , as they 've been out for so many years now .
There 's nothing in those numbers that makes linking this to the recession , anything more than a random guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a 1 month sample size?
As a gamer, I can say that I had disposable income this month and wanted new games for my 360, but didn't see anything worth my $60.
I ended up buying some games that came out last year used from Gamestop.
You would also expect hardware sales for the major consoles to be declining, as they've been out for so many years now.
There's nothing in those numbers that makes linking this to the recession, anything more than a random guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730865</id>
	<title>Don't Blame Recession</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I would have spent money on games, but there<br>a) aren't any good ones<br>b) the few good ones have too much DRM, or require are Steam style (you don't actually own them, you rent them)<br>Not the recession, the poor gaming companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have spent money on games , but therea ) are n't any good onesb ) the few good ones have too much DRM , or require are Steam style ( you do n't actually own them , you rent them ) Not the recession , the poor gaming companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have spent money on games, but therea) aren't any good onesb) the few good ones have too much DRM, or require are Steam style (you don't actually own them, you rent them)Not the recession, the poor gaming companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733837</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247863020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think the decline is more because, as a group, gamers have better access to reviews and video reviews to which we can determine if a game will be good. Had i looked at a review i would not have picked up Blacksite Area 51, for example. Games just aren't made very well anymore, its more about some flashy gimick now. Its rather sad as i am a dedicated PC gamer over console.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the decline is more because , as a group , gamers have better access to reviews and video reviews to which we can determine if a game will be good .
Had i looked at a review i would not have picked up Blacksite Area 51 , for example .
Games just are n't made very well anymore , its more about some flashy gimick now .
Its rather sad as i am a dedicated PC gamer over console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the decline is more because, as a group, gamers have better access to reviews and video reviews to which we can determine if a game will be good.
Had i looked at a review i would not have picked up Blacksite Area 51, for example.
Games just aren't made very well anymore, its more about some flashy gimick now.
Its rather sad as i am a dedicated PC gamer over console.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730537</id>
	<title>Steam</title>
	<author>Piata</author>
	<datestamp>1247848440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I've started buying all my games off Steam for precisely this reason. I've picked up:</p><ul>
<li>Left 4 Dead for $45. I've played it a lot but wasn't worth the money considering L4D2 is right around the corner and L4D lacks content.</li><li>Empire: Total War for $25. I haven't played it much but it was definitely worth the $25.</li><li>Dawn of War II for $25 and I've played it a lot, probably worth more than $25 which means I'll be much more likely to pick up an expansion should it come along.</li><li>Fallout 3 for $40. This game gets a lot of mileage, so it's worth the money imo. The DLC, not so much.</li></ul><p>I've actually stopped buying games for my Wii because I don't want to shell out $50 for something I may or may not like. There are a lot of games out there and price is the biggest deterrent from trying something new unfortunately and Steam seems to be the only place to get new games at reasonable prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've started buying all my games off Steam for precisely this reason .
I 've picked up : Left 4 Dead for $ 45 .
I 've played it a lot but was n't worth the money considering L4D2 is right around the corner and L4D lacks content.Empire : Total War for $ 25 .
I have n't played it much but it was definitely worth the $ 25.Dawn of War II for $ 25 and I 've played it a lot , probably worth more than $ 25 which means I 'll be much more likely to pick up an expansion should it come along.Fallout 3 for $ 40 .
This game gets a lot of mileage , so it 's worth the money imo .
The DLC , not so much.I 've actually stopped buying games for my Wii because I do n't want to shell out $ 50 for something I may or may not like .
There are a lot of games out there and price is the biggest deterrent from trying something new unfortunately and Steam seems to be the only place to get new games at reasonable prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've started buying all my games off Steam for precisely this reason.
I've picked up:
Left 4 Dead for $45.
I've played it a lot but wasn't worth the money considering L4D2 is right around the corner and L4D lacks content.Empire: Total War for $25.
I haven't played it much but it was definitely worth the $25.Dawn of War II for $25 and I've played it a lot, probably worth more than $25 which means I'll be much more likely to pick up an expansion should it come along.Fallout 3 for $40.
This game gets a lot of mileage, so it's worth the money imo.
The DLC, not so much.I've actually stopped buying games for my Wii because I don't want to shell out $50 for something I may or may not like.
There are a lot of games out there and price is the biggest deterrent from trying something new unfortunately and Steam seems to be the only place to get new games at reasonable prices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731133</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1247850900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Second of all, what good games have come out recently?</p></div></blockquote><p>I like Knights in a Nightmare (KiaN), although it's not for everyone.</p><p>Other than that, crap has and will always be released.</p><blockquote><div><p>And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside. It's just not worth it anymore.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, I just bought a Nintendo DSi after not playing games for years since the original Game Boy/PS1 - Metal Gear Solid 1 being the last game I played.  I'm happy with it, although what got me in again were flash games like dogfight 2/robokill from rocksolidarcade.</p><p>I got out on hiatus because the games weren't fun anymore, and back then it seemed everyone was going into 3D/FPSers that I couldn't control that well and didn't like.  Of course, that wasn't the case, and FPS is still a big chunk of the market -- but things like the DS and flash games are delightful because it's like old school gaming in a way - a lot of the games I choose to play now are pick up and play (except KiaN).  But even back then, there was choice - although the Wii and DS built-in controls make games more intuitive.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Second of all , what good games have come out recently ? I like Knights in a Nightmare ( KiaN ) , although it 's not for everyone.Other than that , crap has and will always be released.And to add to the cost , so many consoles ( especially the Wii ) require buying extra peripherals , which will also end up going to the wayside .
It 's just not worth it anymore.Well , I just bought a Nintendo DSi after not playing games for years since the original Game Boy/PS1 - Metal Gear Solid 1 being the last game I played .
I 'm happy with it , although what got me in again were flash games like dogfight 2/robokill from rocksolidarcade.I got out on hiatus because the games were n't fun anymore , and back then it seemed everyone was going into 3D/FPSers that I could n't control that well and did n't like .
Of course , that was n't the case , and FPS is still a big chunk of the market -- but things like the DS and flash games are delightful because it 's like old school gaming in a way - a lot of the games I choose to play now are pick up and play ( except KiaN ) .
But even back then , there was choice - although the Wii and DS built-in controls make games more intuitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second of all, what good games have come out recently?I like Knights in a Nightmare (KiaN), although it's not for everyone.Other than that, crap has and will always be released.And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside.
It's just not worth it anymore.Well, I just bought a Nintendo DSi after not playing games for years since the original Game Boy/PS1 - Metal Gear Solid 1 being the last game I played.
I'm happy with it, although what got me in again were flash games like dogfight 2/robokill from rocksolidarcade.I got out on hiatus because the games weren't fun anymore, and back then it seemed everyone was going into 3D/FPSers that I couldn't control that well and didn't like.
Of course, that wasn't the case, and FPS is still a big chunk of the market -- but things like the DS and flash games are delightful because it's like old school gaming in a way - a lot of the games I choose to play now are pick up and play (except KiaN).
But even back then, there was choice - although the Wii and DS built-in controls make games more intuitive.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734811</id>
	<title>Re:Games are obviously too cheap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247823900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Uhm, they're already $69.99 in Canada. That's $62 USD before taxes. In my local province the total would be $75 for a new video game. That is less than acceptable pricing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhm , they 're already $ 69.99 in Canada .
That 's $ 62 USD before taxes .
In my local province the total would be $ 75 for a new video game .
That is less than acceptable pricing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhm, they're already $69.99 in Canada.
That's $62 USD before taxes.
In my local province the total would be $75 for a new video game.
That is less than acceptable pricing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731619</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247853060000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm always amazed at the lack of understanding from the Slashdot community in terms of software pricing.  Especially that of modern games.</p><p>Yeah, more games will sell at $30 per copy, but I doubt it would be more than double, which they need to rake in a roughly equal amount of profits.</p><p>Development teams are costing many, many millions of dollars to create these games with rather short shelf lives.  There are plenty of people out there buying games later on, but after a certain threshold of time, the number of used games being sold is almost certainly passing the number of new games being sold; this means that the developer/publisher makes absolutely no money on these resales while places like GameStop make a killing ($10 for your used game, that they mark up to $30-40).</p><p>I can't say I blame the resellers, especially since I eBay my games when I finish them, but I don't blame the publishers for selling their games at the prices either, nor do I blame them for trying to curb reselling from retailers who are clearly profiting significantly off of their work without any reimbursement (as opposed to me, reselling something I own).</p><p>It's easy to say make a great game and it will sell, but everyone knows that in reality that is not always the case.</p><p>With all of that said, I gave up keeping up with having every new release a few years back and I'm glad.  I replaced it with various MMO subscriptions--$10-15 is easily justifiable (to me) compared to having to buy a game every month to stay happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm always amazed at the lack of understanding from the Slashdot community in terms of software pricing .
Especially that of modern games.Yeah , more games will sell at $ 30 per copy , but I doubt it would be more than double , which they need to rake in a roughly equal amount of profits.Development teams are costing many , many millions of dollars to create these games with rather short shelf lives .
There are plenty of people out there buying games later on , but after a certain threshold of time , the number of used games being sold is almost certainly passing the number of new games being sold ; this means that the developer/publisher makes absolutely no money on these resales while places like GameStop make a killing ( $ 10 for your used game , that they mark up to $ 30-40 ) .I ca n't say I blame the resellers , especially since I eBay my games when I finish them , but I do n't blame the publishers for selling their games at the prices either , nor do I blame them for trying to curb reselling from retailers who are clearly profiting significantly off of their work without any reimbursement ( as opposed to me , reselling something I own ) .It 's easy to say make a great game and it will sell , but everyone knows that in reality that is not always the case.With all of that said , I gave up keeping up with having every new release a few years back and I 'm glad .
I replaced it with various MMO subscriptions-- $ 10-15 is easily justifiable ( to me ) compared to having to buy a game every month to stay happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm always amazed at the lack of understanding from the Slashdot community in terms of software pricing.
Especially that of modern games.Yeah, more games will sell at $30 per copy, but I doubt it would be more than double, which they need to rake in a roughly equal amount of profits.Development teams are costing many, many millions of dollars to create these games with rather short shelf lives.
There are plenty of people out there buying games later on, but after a certain threshold of time, the number of used games being sold is almost certainly passing the number of new games being sold; this means that the developer/publisher makes absolutely no money on these resales while places like GameStop make a killing ($10 for your used game, that they mark up to $30-40).I can't say I blame the resellers, especially since I eBay my games when I finish them, but I don't blame the publishers for selling their games at the prices either, nor do I blame them for trying to curb reselling from retailers who are clearly profiting significantly off of their work without any reimbursement (as opposed to me, reselling something I own).It's easy to say make a great game and it will sell, but everyone knows that in reality that is not always the case.With all of that said, I gave up keeping up with having every new release a few years back and I'm glad.
I replaced it with various MMO subscriptions--$10-15 is easily justifiable (to me) compared to having to buy a game every month to stay happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731743</id>
	<title>This is a good attitude to take.</title>
	<author>Rambling Paladin</author>
	<datestamp>1247853660000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what I've been doing for about two years now, and it's been great.  I might not play the newest, "best" thing out there but if it really is as good as purported then I'll get around to it eventually.</p><p>The biggest problem I have with buying new games nowadays is that it's a huge gamble, and there's nothing lost by being patient and getting a clear view of what kind of game you're really getting.</p><p>For a new console game, $60 can get me a lot of fun, sure.  Unless the game is multiplayer-centric though, the game will be just as good six months later and $40 cheaper.  Pretty much any solid, but not blockbuster, game is going to hit that level in a few months.  More to the point, that gives you several months of reviews and opinions - not the fawning initial review from people who may not have finished it, but the opinion of people who have perspective since they played it, then had time to digest it.  There's the further benefit that any critical bugs will either be patched out or known so you can just avoid the game altogether.</p><p>Multiplayer games are an even bigger gamble, because you're relying on the fickle whims of other gamers.  In a bizarre sense, I guess it's like gravity - multiplayer communities for games will dissipate unless there's sufficient mass that it can hold itself together, at which point it's there to stay.  Anything of a lower level will break apart as soon as the next mid-level multiplayer game is released, which with modern shooters seems to be every other week.</p><p>And then we have PC games.  If you buy a bad PC game, you're pretty much out of luck.  Rare is the store that will allow you to return it for anything but another copy of the same game.  DRM prevents you from selling it online once you've activated it, and you have to do that to realize that you don't like it.  There's no way to win except not to play, or to mod the hell out of it until it's the game you're really looking for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what I 've been doing for about two years now , and it 's been great .
I might not play the newest , " best " thing out there but if it really is as good as purported then I 'll get around to it eventually.The biggest problem I have with buying new games nowadays is that it 's a huge gamble , and there 's nothing lost by being patient and getting a clear view of what kind of game you 're really getting.For a new console game , $ 60 can get me a lot of fun , sure .
Unless the game is multiplayer-centric though , the game will be just as good six months later and $ 40 cheaper .
Pretty much any solid , but not blockbuster , game is going to hit that level in a few months .
More to the point , that gives you several months of reviews and opinions - not the fawning initial review from people who may not have finished it , but the opinion of people who have perspective since they played it , then had time to digest it .
There 's the further benefit that any critical bugs will either be patched out or known so you can just avoid the game altogether.Multiplayer games are an even bigger gamble , because you 're relying on the fickle whims of other gamers .
In a bizarre sense , I guess it 's like gravity - multiplayer communities for games will dissipate unless there 's sufficient mass that it can hold itself together , at which point it 's there to stay .
Anything of a lower level will break apart as soon as the next mid-level multiplayer game is released , which with modern shooters seems to be every other week.And then we have PC games .
If you buy a bad PC game , you 're pretty much out of luck .
Rare is the store that will allow you to return it for anything but another copy of the same game .
DRM prevents you from selling it online once you 've activated it , and you have to do that to realize that you do n't like it .
There 's no way to win except not to play , or to mod the hell out of it until it 's the game you 're really looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what I've been doing for about two years now, and it's been great.
I might not play the newest, "best" thing out there but if it really is as good as purported then I'll get around to it eventually.The biggest problem I have with buying new games nowadays is that it's a huge gamble, and there's nothing lost by being patient and getting a clear view of what kind of game you're really getting.For a new console game, $60 can get me a lot of fun, sure.
Unless the game is multiplayer-centric though, the game will be just as good six months later and $40 cheaper.
Pretty much any solid, but not blockbuster, game is going to hit that level in a few months.
More to the point, that gives you several months of reviews and opinions - not the fawning initial review from people who may not have finished it, but the opinion of people who have perspective since they played it, then had time to digest it.
There's the further benefit that any critical bugs will either be patched out or known so you can just avoid the game altogether.Multiplayer games are an even bigger gamble, because you're relying on the fickle whims of other gamers.
In a bizarre sense, I guess it's like gravity - multiplayer communities for games will dissipate unless there's sufficient mass that it can hold itself together, at which point it's there to stay.
Anything of a lower level will break apart as soon as the next mid-level multiplayer game is released, which with modern shooters seems to be every other week.And then we have PC games.
If you buy a bad PC game, you're pretty much out of luck.
Rare is the store that will allow you to return it for anything but another copy of the same game.
DRM prevents you from selling it online once you've activated it, and you have to do that to realize that you don't like it.
There's no way to win except not to play, or to mod the hell out of it until it's the game you're really looking for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730985</id>
	<title>Re:Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>igloonaut</author>
	<datestamp>1247850300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Does anyone have the piracy figures for June, 2009 yet? Considering the average quality of titles this year I wouldn't be surprised if piracy was also down about 31\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone have the piracy figures for June , 2009 yet ?
Considering the average quality of titles this year I would n't be surprised if piracy was also down about 31 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone have the piracy figures for June, 2009 yet?
Considering the average quality of titles this year I wouldn't be surprised if piracy was also down about 31\%.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730409</id>
	<title>Re:chat</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1247847900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression."</p><p>I don't think I've ever seen that web error.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The page you are trying to view can not be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression .
" I do n't think I 've ever seen that web error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression.
"I don't think I've ever seen that web error.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733867</id>
	<title>Re:You know what might help?</title>
	<author>Raptor851</author>
	<datestamp>1247863200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you're talking about AT2 (AT 1 you'd be out of luck, it's been out for a long time) you should have just bought it direct from NIS America's store. Not sure where you saw it for $60 new though, NIS America prices new releases at $39 for ps2, $49 for ps3

www.rosenqueen.com

Hell, I would suggest buying direct from them anyways, tends to be cheaper and have extras bundled with it.

Speaking of which, I think they've come up with a model that works. Their products are fairly niche but they undercut, and lauch $10-$20 cheaper than anyone else, AND they tend to include soundtracks, post cards, or other goodies in the box. I doubt the recession has touched them at all, they've had a few excellent titles lately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're talking about AT2 ( AT 1 you 'd be out of luck , it 's been out for a long time ) you should have just bought it direct from NIS America 's store .
Not sure where you saw it for $ 60 new though , NIS America prices new releases at $ 39 for ps2 , $ 49 for ps3 www.rosenqueen.com Hell , I would suggest buying direct from them anyways , tends to be cheaper and have extras bundled with it .
Speaking of which , I think they 've come up with a model that works .
Their products are fairly niche but they undercut , and lauch $ 10- $ 20 cheaper than anyone else , AND they tend to include soundtracks , post cards , or other goodies in the box .
I doubt the recession has touched them at all , they 've had a few excellent titles lately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're talking about AT2 (AT 1 you'd be out of luck, it's been out for a long time) you should have just bought it direct from NIS America's store.
Not sure where you saw it for $60 new though, NIS America prices new releases at $39 for ps2, $49 for ps3

www.rosenqueen.com

Hell, I would suggest buying direct from them anyways, tends to be cheaper and have extras bundled with it.
Speaking of which, I think they've come up with a model that works.
Their products are fairly niche but they undercut, and lauch $10-$20 cheaper than anyone else, AND they tend to include soundtracks, post cards, or other goodies in the box.
I doubt the recession has touched them at all, they've had a few excellent titles lately.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Careful what you wish for</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking further would invariably produce "it's the pesky pirates".</p><p>It's a very human trait to look for the culprit outside of oneself. I.e. it's pirates. Not that I make sequels of games nobody wanted in the first place or that customers don't accept the rental system (aka SecuRom) DRM.</p><p>Produce games that people want and stop including crippling DRM that people loathe and they will buy. I just recently bought a few old games for a total of less than 50 bucks. Yes, on Steam, and yes, it's a bit hypocritical to rant about rented games when buying from Steam. But Steam offers pretty much what I want at the "price" of having it tied to my account. I can accept that. That's about as much DRM as I can live with. I don't resell games. But I expect my games to work whenever and however I want them to. Steam offers that.</p><p>Gimme what I want and I'll buy. Don't and I won't. Simple as that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking further would invariably produce " it 's the pesky pirates " .It 's a very human trait to look for the culprit outside of oneself .
I.e. it 's pirates .
Not that I make sequels of games nobody wanted in the first place or that customers do n't accept the rental system ( aka SecuRom ) DRM.Produce games that people want and stop including crippling DRM that people loathe and they will buy .
I just recently bought a few old games for a total of less than 50 bucks .
Yes , on Steam , and yes , it 's a bit hypocritical to rant about rented games when buying from Steam .
But Steam offers pretty much what I want at the " price " of having it tied to my account .
I can accept that .
That 's about as much DRM as I can live with .
I do n't resell games .
But I expect my games to work whenever and however I want them to .
Steam offers that.Gim me what I want and I 'll buy .
Do n't and I wo n't .
Simple as that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking further would invariably produce "it's the pesky pirates".It's a very human trait to look for the culprit outside of oneself.
I.e. it's pirates.
Not that I make sequels of games nobody wanted in the first place or that customers don't accept the rental system (aka SecuRom) DRM.Produce games that people want and stop including crippling DRM that people loathe and they will buy.
I just recently bought a few old games for a total of less than 50 bucks.
Yes, on Steam, and yes, it's a bit hypocritical to rant about rented games when buying from Steam.
But Steam offers pretty much what I want at the "price" of having it tied to my account.
I can accept that.
That's about as much DRM as I can live with.
I don't resell games.
But I expect my games to work whenever and however I want them to.
Steam offers that.Gimme what I want and I'll buy.
Don't and I won't.
Simple as that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735641</id>
	<title>The Conduit is good!</title>
	<author>Teckla</author>
	<datestamp>1247829120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>June was a dry month for video gaming. Not many good games were released (except for Infamous).</p></div><p>I own a Wii because I have a family and thought it would be the most family friendly game console (I think I was right).</p><p>That being said, I've been wanting adult games for the Wii badly (for myself), and I'm not talking about games that have been ported to the Wii as an afterthought. In June, <a href="http://www.conduitgame.com/index\_us.html" title="conduitgame.com"> <i>The Conduit</i> </a> [conduitgame.com] came out, and I'm really, really enjoying it. The controls are surprisingly good, and you're hearing this from a mouse/keyboard fanatic!</p><p> <i>The Conduit</i> was written specifically for the Wii and the Wii controller and it shows. It's a very good game. Highly recommended.</p></div>
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<tokenext>June was a dry month for video gaming .
Not many good games were released ( except for Infamous ) .I own a Wii because I have a family and thought it would be the most family friendly game console ( I think I was right ) .That being said , I 've been wanting adult games for the Wii badly ( for myself ) , and I 'm not talking about games that have been ported to the Wii as an afterthought .
In June , The Conduit [ conduitgame.com ] came out , and I 'm really , really enjoying it .
The controls are surprisingly good , and you 're hearing this from a mouse/keyboard fanatic !
The Conduit was written specifically for the Wii and the Wii controller and it shows .
It 's a very good game .
Highly recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>June was a dry month for video gaming.
Not many good games were released (except for Infamous).I own a Wii because I have a family and thought it would be the most family friendly game console (I think I was right).That being said, I've been wanting adult games for the Wii badly (for myself), and I'm not talking about games that have been ported to the Wii as an afterthought.
In June,  The Conduit  [conduitgame.com] came out, and I'm really, really enjoying it.
The controls are surprisingly good, and you're hearing this from a mouse/keyboard fanatic!
The Conduit was written specifically for the Wii and the Wii controller and it shows.
It's a very good game.
Highly recommended.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28849829</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1248784200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><strong>I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles. With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just thinking lately , I worry about the future of consoles .
With PC DRM , the general consensus is that PCs ca n't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable .
It made me wonder</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles.
With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable.
It made me wonder</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733703</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247862420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree with that. Games that are 50 or more dollars are too much. In the past they would say it was cost of sistribution. BS.... Valve's Steam network is selling Left4Dead for 40 dollars. I went to Wal-Mart and bought it for 29 dollars, bought it home and inputed it to my Steam account and presto... the same game for less. Target and other big box retailers have a similar price for the same game. So when software distribution gets a good fix, just like digital music distribution, and stops basing their price on a artificially derived supply and demand equation then perhaps things will change. After all, the only supply that you have for digital distribution is bandwidth and server storage space which is cheap these days. The other thing is that there are many indie games coming out that are wonderfully playable and entertaining for far less. Just my two cents....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree with that .
Games that are 50 or more dollars are too much .
In the past they would say it was cost of sistribution .
BS.... Valve 's Steam network is selling Left4Dead for 40 dollars .
I went to Wal-Mart and bought it for 29 dollars , bought it home and inputed it to my Steam account and presto... the same game for less .
Target and other big box retailers have a similar price for the same game .
So when software distribution gets a good fix , just like digital music distribution , and stops basing their price on a artificially derived supply and demand equation then perhaps things will change .
After all , the only supply that you have for digital distribution is bandwidth and server storage space which is cheap these days .
The other thing is that there are many indie games coming out that are wonderfully playable and entertaining for far less .
Just my two cents... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree with that.
Games that are 50 or more dollars are too much.
In the past they would say it was cost of sistribution.
BS.... Valve's Steam network is selling Left4Dead for 40 dollars.
I went to Wal-Mart and bought it for 29 dollars, bought it home and inputed it to my Steam account and presto... the same game for less.
Target and other big box retailers have a similar price for the same game.
So when software distribution gets a good fix, just like digital music distribution, and stops basing their price on a artificially derived supply and demand equation then perhaps things will change.
After all, the only supply that you have for digital distribution is bandwidth and server storage space which is cheap these days.
The other thing is that there are many indie games coming out that are wonderfully playable and entertaining for far less.
Just my two cents....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730419</id>
	<title>Innovation?</title>
	<author>think\_nix</author>
	<datestamp>1247847960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>seriously<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'm not surprised. What happened to innovation? Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same. Where is the cutting edge ? Something new that hasn't been done before ? A must have, giving the player full control of the virtual world . I think back on earlier rpg's for e.g. The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets. Think of this with today's technology. In the end its not really the development studios its the damn publishers and other companies funding development studios so they can have their ads on startup screens and rape the profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously ... I 'm not surprised .
What happened to innovation ?
Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same .
Where is the cutting edge ?
Something new that has n't been done before ?
A must have , giving the player full control of the virtual world .
I think back on earlier rpg 's for e.g .
The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets .
Think of this with today 's technology .
In the end its not really the development studios its the damn publishers and other companies funding development studios so they can have their ads on startup screens and rape the profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously ... I'm not surprised.
What happened to innovation?
Most games now are all sequels to previous games with better graphics or newer engines than the previous release and the principal is still the same.
Where is the cutting edge ?
Something new that hasn't been done before ?
A must have, giving the player full control of the virtual world .
I think back on earlier rpg's for e.g.
The player was actually allowed to input text instead of choosing from some stupid presets.
Think of this with today's technology.
In the end its not really the development studios its the damn publishers and other companies funding development studios so they can have their ads on startup screens and rape the profits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732509</id>
	<title>Re:That's easy....</title>
	<author>Brian Feldman</author>
	<datestamp>1247856840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would rather like to see how well the independent game producers are doing in comparison.  I've only played two big studio computer games in the last year: <i>Mirror's Edge</i> and <i>Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning</i>.  In comparison, I play independent games moreso.  <i>Braid</i>, <i>Dyson</i>, <i>Plants vs Zombies</i> and <i>Trine</i> have provided me a lot of entertainment lately and the most expensive among them is only $30.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would rather like to see how well the independent game producers are doing in comparison .
I 've only played two big studio computer games in the last year : Mirror 's Edge and Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning .
In comparison , I play independent games moreso .
Braid , Dyson , Plants vs Zombies and Trine have provided me a lot of entertainment lately and the most expensive among them is only $ 30 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would rather like to see how well the independent game producers are doing in comparison.
I've only played two big studio computer games in the last year: Mirror's Edge and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning.
In comparison, I play independent games moreso.
Braid, Dyson, Plants vs Zombies and Trine have provided me a lot of entertainment lately and the most expensive among them is only $30.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730245</id>
	<title>Recession</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1247847360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>With 1.5 million forced house-sales in the US one should be able to imagine that people have less money to spend on more critical things, like food. So I am not really suprised with this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With 1.5 million forced house-sales in the US one should be able to imagine that people have less money to spend on more critical things , like food .
So I am not really suprised with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With 1.5 million forced house-sales in the US one should be able to imagine that people have less money to spend on more critical things, like food.
So I am not really suprised with this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28740003</id>
	<title>Re:I get a little tired of this one</title>
	<author>MogNuts</author>
	<datestamp>1247924760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would support your OP, and disagree with you, for a different reason. The reason he feels there aren't any good games left is because there is nothing new or original. Yes there are new stories, graphics, etc., but they're still all the same game. I looked at a video of Prototype's gameplay. I was thinking to myself that this is just another 3D platformer--that was done with every 3D game before it. Yes there are new elements, etc., but once you have played about 20 games with the same setup, it's the same. What I mean is: play Mario 64, then play Psychonauts, then Ratchet &amp; Clank, then Hulk: Ultimate Destruction (or whatever it's called). Notice a pattern? After about 20 of these, you realize it's the same game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would support your OP , and disagree with you , for a different reason .
The reason he feels there are n't any good games left is because there is nothing new or original .
Yes there are new stories , graphics , etc. , but they 're still all the same game .
I looked at a video of Prototype 's gameplay .
I was thinking to myself that this is just another 3D platformer--that was done with every 3D game before it .
Yes there are new elements , etc. , but once you have played about 20 games with the same setup , it 's the same .
What I mean is : play Mario 64 , then play Psychonauts , then Ratchet &amp; Clank , then Hulk : Ultimate Destruction ( or whatever it 's called ) .
Notice a pattern ?
After about 20 of these , you realize it 's the same game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would support your OP, and disagree with you, for a different reason.
The reason he feels there aren't any good games left is because there is nothing new or original.
Yes there are new stories, graphics, etc., but they're still all the same game.
I looked at a video of Prototype's gameplay.
I was thinking to myself that this is just another 3D platformer--that was done with every 3D game before it.
Yes there are new elements, etc., but once you have played about 20 games with the same setup, it's the same.
What I mean is: play Mario 64, then play Psychonauts, then Ratchet &amp; Clank, then Hulk: Ultimate Destruction (or whatever it's called).
Notice a pattern?
After about 20 of these, you realize it's the same game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730259</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's *about time*. Maybe now we'll see Nintendo initiate a price cut on their hardware. But boy, it's really amazing to see how long it's taken for people to limit their spending on video games. They really seem to value their entertainment a lot more than I realized. Perhaps video game entertainment has become so immersive that in the minds of people stressed by the economy and life in general, video game escapism has become almost a necessity. I could be wrong, but I know that for myself they've always provided a great place to retreat while I sorted out my thoughts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's * about time * .
Maybe now we 'll see Nintendo initiate a price cut on their hardware .
But boy , it 's really amazing to see how long it 's taken for people to limit their spending on video games .
They really seem to value their entertainment a lot more than I realized .
Perhaps video game entertainment has become so immersive that in the minds of people stressed by the economy and life in general , video game escapism has become almost a necessity .
I could be wrong , but I know that for myself they 've always provided a great place to retreat while I sorted out my thoughts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's *about time*.
Maybe now we'll see Nintendo initiate a price cut on their hardware.
But boy, it's really amazing to see how long it's taken for people to limit their spending on video games.
They really seem to value their entertainment a lot more than I realized.
Perhaps video game entertainment has become so immersive that in the minds of people stressed by the economy and life in general, video game escapism has become almost a necessity.
I could be wrong, but I know that for myself they've always provided a great place to retreat while I sorted out my thoughts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731463</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247852460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, they should look further than the current economic situation. It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.</p></div><p>Except for the people who are highly unemployed are in their core demographic?  I and the middle-aged lifer with a family is probably buying fewer games, too.</p><p>So I don't know.  Sure, to be successful in business, you have to work to get your sales regardless, but you also have to be conscious of the context that your operating in.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Also , they should look further than the current economic situation .
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.Except for the people who are highly unemployed are in their core demographic ?
I and the middle-aged lifer with a family is probably buying fewer games , too.So I do n't know .
Sure , to be successful in business , you have to work to get your sales regardless , but you also have to be conscious of the context that your operating in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, they should look further than the current economic situation.
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.Except for the people who are highly unemployed are in their core demographic?
I and the middle-aged lifer with a family is probably buying fewer games, too.So I don't know.
Sure, to be successful in business, you have to work to get your sales regardless, but you also have to be conscious of the context that your operating in.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730241</id>
	<title>That's easy....</title>
	<author>HerculesMO</author>
	<datestamp>1247847360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the games that are coming out, suck.</p><p>Plain and simple. The problem with developers is that they are confusing great technology with great games. They can go hand in hand, but largely speaking -- games need story, innovation, depth. I played Defcon a few years back and was amazed at what innovation was put into such a small game.</p><p>Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately, and change the graphics and call it amazing. Bioshock had a good story, but that was like 2 years ago already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the games that are coming out , suck.Plain and simple .
The problem with developers is that they are confusing great technology with great games .
They can go hand in hand , but largely speaking -- games need story , innovation , depth .
I played Defcon a few years back and was amazed at what innovation was put into such a small game.Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately , and change the graphics and call it amazing .
Bioshock had a good story , but that was like 2 years ago already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the games that are coming out, suck.Plain and simple.
The problem with developers is that they are confusing great technology with great games.
They can go hand in hand, but largely speaking -- games need story, innovation, depth.
I played Defcon a few years back and was amazed at what innovation was put into such a small game.Too bad the only thing developers do is give us some form of a shooter lately, and change the graphics and call it amazing.
Bioshock had a good story, but that was like 2 years ago already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732165</id>
	<title>Re:I get a little tired of this one</title>
	<author>HerculesMO</author>
	<datestamp>1247855400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Street Fighter 4 is the same game it was, just a bit newer. I own it, but it's not revolutionary. It's just another Street Fighter. Fun for sure, but it gets boring with the unlock system they have, and Xbox Live matchups are retarded because it breaks all the time.</p><p>Left 4 Dead I love, but again -- that's a bit older now. It has some things that make it pretty unique, but with only 4 campaigns to play... it gets boring quickly also. There's also no fluid story to it, which would have been nice to have as well, given the fact that it's about a zombie infestation kind of like that movie, 30 days later.</p><p>Haven't played Aztaka but I'll take a look.</p><p>Command and Conquer... ever since they dropped Kari Wuhrer and her huge boobs for Tanya, I lost interest. I loved the original Red Alert though, but again -- it's a rehash of a typical RTS. I find Starcraft far more engaging to this day.</p><p>Assasin's Creed has horrendous controls on the Xbox. You need 10 fingers on each hand to play that game, I feel like I'm a contortionist. It's a nice game, has some good visuals, but all in all -- it is reminiscent of "Thief" and "Hitman", and "Max Payne", games I enjoy on their own.</p><p>Again... I want different types of games, not the same game rehashed in a new way. RTSes have been done to death. When will somebody reinvent the genre? Maybe Blizzard with Starcraft 2... FPSes have been done to death also, I've played every iteration of them and they are largely the same.</p><p>Defcon for example, is a game that was NEVER done like it was. It was totally and utterly unique. Another one was Portal, which was amazing and fun, and challenging. I'm not saying that other games aren't fun -- most games are fun for a time, but they usually encompass newer technology to show you better versions of the same old thing. I'm looking for a game that encompasses new technology to do things that you've never seen done in a game.</p><p>Starcraft 2 I'm waiting on, Mortal Online (it's a rehash of Ultima Online in 3D, or so I hope it is), and Global Agenda which is really Team Fortress MMO. Aside from that, there's nothing on the brink of release that excites me. Maybe Rage from id Software, but I don't know when that's coming out. But id's games are usually tech demos anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Street Fighter 4 is the same game it was , just a bit newer .
I own it , but it 's not revolutionary .
It 's just another Street Fighter .
Fun for sure , but it gets boring with the unlock system they have , and Xbox Live matchups are retarded because it breaks all the time.Left 4 Dead I love , but again -- that 's a bit older now .
It has some things that make it pretty unique , but with only 4 campaigns to play... it gets boring quickly also .
There 's also no fluid story to it , which would have been nice to have as well , given the fact that it 's about a zombie infestation kind of like that movie , 30 days later.Have n't played Aztaka but I 'll take a look.Command and Conquer... ever since they dropped Kari Wuhrer and her huge boobs for Tanya , I lost interest .
I loved the original Red Alert though , but again -- it 's a rehash of a typical RTS .
I find Starcraft far more engaging to this day.Assasin 's Creed has horrendous controls on the Xbox .
You need 10 fingers on each hand to play that game , I feel like I 'm a contortionist .
It 's a nice game , has some good visuals , but all in all -- it is reminiscent of " Thief " and " Hitman " , and " Max Payne " , games I enjoy on their own.Again... I want different types of games , not the same game rehashed in a new way .
RTSes have been done to death .
When will somebody reinvent the genre ?
Maybe Blizzard with Starcraft 2... FPSes have been done to death also , I 've played every iteration of them and they are largely the same.Defcon for example , is a game that was NEVER done like it was .
It was totally and utterly unique .
Another one was Portal , which was amazing and fun , and challenging .
I 'm not saying that other games are n't fun -- most games are fun for a time , but they usually encompass newer technology to show you better versions of the same old thing .
I 'm looking for a game that encompasses new technology to do things that you 've never seen done in a game.Starcraft 2 I 'm waiting on , Mortal Online ( it 's a rehash of Ultima Online in 3D , or so I hope it is ) , and Global Agenda which is really Team Fortress MMO .
Aside from that , there 's nothing on the brink of release that excites me .
Maybe Rage from id Software , but I do n't know when that 's coming out .
But id 's games are usually tech demos anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Street Fighter 4 is the same game it was, just a bit newer.
I own it, but it's not revolutionary.
It's just another Street Fighter.
Fun for sure, but it gets boring with the unlock system they have, and Xbox Live matchups are retarded because it breaks all the time.Left 4 Dead I love, but again -- that's a bit older now.
It has some things that make it pretty unique, but with only 4 campaigns to play... it gets boring quickly also.
There's also no fluid story to it, which would have been nice to have as well, given the fact that it's about a zombie infestation kind of like that movie, 30 days later.Haven't played Aztaka but I'll take a look.Command and Conquer... ever since they dropped Kari Wuhrer and her huge boobs for Tanya, I lost interest.
I loved the original Red Alert though, but again -- it's a rehash of a typical RTS.
I find Starcraft far more engaging to this day.Assasin's Creed has horrendous controls on the Xbox.
You need 10 fingers on each hand to play that game, I feel like I'm a contortionist.
It's a nice game, has some good visuals, but all in all -- it is reminiscent of "Thief" and "Hitman", and "Max Payne", games I enjoy on their own.Again... I want different types of games, not the same game rehashed in a new way.
RTSes have been done to death.
When will somebody reinvent the genre?
Maybe Blizzard with Starcraft 2... FPSes have been done to death also, I've played every iteration of them and they are largely the same.Defcon for example, is a game that was NEVER done like it was.
It was totally and utterly unique.
Another one was Portal, which was amazing and fun, and challenging.
I'm not saying that other games aren't fun -- most games are fun for a time, but they usually encompass newer technology to show you better versions of the same old thing.
I'm looking for a game that encompasses new technology to do things that you've never seen done in a game.Starcraft 2 I'm waiting on, Mortal Online (it's a rehash of Ultima Online in 3D, or so I hope it is), and Global Agenda which is really Team Fortress MMO.
Aside from that, there's nothing on the brink of release that excites me.
Maybe Rage from id Software, but I don't know when that's coming out.
But id's games are usually tech demos anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733031</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>microbee</author>
	<datestamp>1247859060000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Wait until November. Modern Warfare 2, BioShock 2, on yeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Wait until November .
Modern Warfare 2 , BioShock 2 , on yeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Wait until November.
Modern Warfare 2, BioShock 2, on yeah.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28806935</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1248450060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought. I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM, bleh.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I'm exactly the same.  I have every other GTA on my shelf, and I've always massively looked forward to the latest version being released.  I was gutted when I found out that not only was the game full of SecuROM DRM, but you had to register for the MS "Games for Windows" thing as well.  So I didn't buy the game, nor did I pirate it, I simply haven't played it and probably won't ever play it either.  Very disappointed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought .
I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM , bleh .
I 'm exactly the same .
I have every other GTA on my shelf , and I 've always massively looked forward to the latest version being released .
I was gutted when I found out that not only was the game full of SecuROM DRM , but you had to register for the MS " Games for Windows " thing as well .
So I did n't buy the game , nor did I pirate it , I simply have n't played it and probably wo n't ever play it either .
Very disappointed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latest Grand Theft Auto was the first one of the GTA series I never bought.
I wanted to buy it and I hate to leave that line behind but DRM, bleh.
I'm exactly the same.
I have every other GTA on my shelf, and I've always massively looked forward to the latest version being released.
I was gutted when I found out that not only was the game full of SecuROM DRM, but you had to register for the MS "Games for Windows" thing as well.
So I didn't buy the game, nor did I pirate it, I simply haven't played it and probably won't ever play it either.
Very disappointed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733247</id>
	<title>Re:Enough with the correlationisnotcausation tag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there's a correlation, the two events <i>are</i> linked:  The correlation is the linkage.  What "correlation is not causation" is a reminder of is that just because two things are linked, that doesn't mean that one causes the other.</p><p>That said, I'm no great fan of the tag, either.  It's almost as useless as the typoinsummary one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there 's a correlation , the two events are linked : The correlation is the linkage .
What " correlation is not causation " is a reminder of is that just because two things are linked , that does n't mean that one causes the other.That said , I 'm no great fan of the tag , either .
It 's almost as useless as the typoinsummary one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's a correlation, the two events are linked:  The correlation is the linkage.
What "correlation is not causation" is a reminder of is that just because two things are linked, that doesn't mean that one causes the other.That said, I'm no great fan of the tag, either.
It's almost as useless as the typoinsummary one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28738579</id>
	<title>Re:Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and then the pirates will turn around and say "it's not our fault, our actions don't hurt anyone". It's easier to blame crappy game design rather than piracy. Of course, crappy game design doesn't seem to stop them going so far as to break the law to get themselves a copy of the so-called "crappy" game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and then the pirates will turn around and say " it 's not our fault , our actions do n't hurt anyone " .
It 's easier to blame crappy game design rather than piracy .
Of course , crappy game design does n't seem to stop them going so far as to break the law to get themselves a copy of the so-called " crappy " game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and then the pirates will turn around and say "it's not our fault, our actions don't hurt anyone".
It's easier to blame crappy game design rather than piracy.
Of course, crappy game design doesn't seem to stop them going so far as to break the law to get themselves a copy of the so-called "crappy" game.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28739907</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1247923260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you should tell these game companies why you didn't buy their games, and that you would have otherwise...<br>If sales drop, they will just claim you pirated it and push for even more intrusive DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you should tell these game companies why you did n't buy their games , and that you would have otherwise...If sales drop , they will just claim you pirated it and push for even more intrusive DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you should tell these game companies why you didn't buy their games, and that you would have otherwise...If sales drop, they will just claim you pirated it and push for even more intrusive DRM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730175</id>
	<title>Surprisingly Level Headed Analysis</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1247847120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I'm glad to see <i>someone's</i> correlating a drop in sales with the recession.  If the history of the MPAA/RIAA is any indication, the game industry will claim OMG Piratez! and ask congress to pass whatever bill they want to make it punishable by death to pirate a game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm glad to see someone 's correlating a drop in sales with the recession .
If the history of the MPAA/RIAA is any indication , the game industry will claim OMG Piratez !
and ask congress to pass whatever bill they want to make it punishable by death to pirate a game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm glad to see someone's correlating a drop in sales with the recession.
If the history of the MPAA/RIAA is any indication, the game industry will claim OMG Piratez!
and ask congress to pass whatever bill they want to make it punishable by death to pirate a game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730391</id>
	<title>Rent</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1247847840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many there are like me who started renting games due to so many disappointing releases. Gamefly has saved me far more than it costs with games I might have bought and wound up not enjoying. I've been buying more used games as well. And I'm not even suffering to any real extent from the current economy. It's purely the result of too many "Holy crap, I spent $60 on this turd?" reactions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many there are like me who started renting games due to so many disappointing releases .
Gamefly has saved me far more than it costs with games I might have bought and wound up not enjoying .
I 've been buying more used games as well .
And I 'm not even suffering to any real extent from the current economy .
It 's purely the result of too many " Holy crap , I spent $ 60 on this turd ?
" reactions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many there are like me who started renting games due to so many disappointing releases.
Gamefly has saved me far more than it costs with games I might have bought and wound up not enjoying.
I've been buying more used games as well.
And I'm not even suffering to any real extent from the current economy.
It's purely the result of too many "Holy crap, I spent $60 on this turd?
" reactions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730199</id>
	<title>yeah...</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1247847180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Money's tight.  And honestly, I'm sick of seeing games priced at $59.99.  I can wait until they hit ~$30 and buy them then.  I'm long past the time when I HAD to have a game as soon as it releases.</p><p>So yeah.  Lower the price of the games at initial launch, you'll make more sales....IMNHAAO (in my not humble at all opinion)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Money 's tight .
And honestly , I 'm sick of seeing games priced at $ 59.99 .
I can wait until they hit ~ $ 30 and buy them then .
I 'm long past the time when I HAD to have a game as soon as it releases.So yeah .
Lower the price of the games at initial launch , you 'll make more sales....IMNHAAO ( in my not humble at all opinion )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Money's tight.
And honestly, I'm sick of seeing games priced at $59.99.
I can wait until they hit ~$30 and buy them then.
I'm long past the time when I HAD to have a game as soon as it releases.So yeah.
Lower the price of the games at initial launch, you'll make more sales....IMNHAAO (in my not humble at all opinion)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734133</id>
	<title>Re:Buying used games?</title>
	<author>El\_Muerte\_TDS</author>
	<datestamp>1247821200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NPD doesn't track:<br>- PC game sales by retail anymore (they used to)<br>- digital distribution of PC games (i.e. steam/impulse/d2d/...)<br>- digital distribution of PSN/WiiWare/XBLA<br>- various online retailers</p><p>So... once again... it's statistics, damned statistics, and lies</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NPD does n't track : - PC game sales by retail anymore ( they used to ) - digital distribution of PC games ( i.e .
steam/impulse/d2d/... ) - digital distribution of PSN/WiiWare/XBLA- various online retailersSo... once again... it 's statistics , damned statistics , and lies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NPD doesn't track:- PC game sales by retail anymore (they used to)- digital distribution of PC games (i.e.
steam/impulse/d2d/...)- digital distribution of PSN/WiiWare/XBLA- various online retailersSo... once again... it's statistics, damned statistics, and lies</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731381</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>elashish14</author>
	<datestamp>1247852100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In response to most of above responses, the drift that I'm getting is that singular games don't sell anymore. Video gaming is a social activity. Video game marketers need to develop a niche or a community around their game that many people will enjoy. This is why I still play Melee - because it's a community game. The same goes for old classics like CS and WoW. Pardon my ignorance but I'm not well-versed in the on-goings of modern game releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In response to most of above responses , the drift that I 'm getting is that singular games do n't sell anymore .
Video gaming is a social activity .
Video game marketers need to develop a niche or a community around their game that many people will enjoy .
This is why I still play Melee - because it 's a community game .
The same goes for old classics like CS and WoW .
Pardon my ignorance but I 'm not well-versed in the on-goings of modern game releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In response to most of above responses, the drift that I'm getting is that singular games don't sell anymore.
Video gaming is a social activity.
Video game marketers need to develop a niche or a community around their game that many people will enjoy.
This is why I still play Melee - because it's a community game.
The same goes for old classics like CS and WoW.
Pardon my ignorance but I'm not well-versed in the on-goings of modern game releases.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730185</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>DarksideDaveOR</author>
	<datestamp>1247847120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Nah, I'm sure there's been at least some decrease in impulse buying, even by people with no reason to worry beyond "the economy is bad."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , I 'm sure there 's been at least some decrease in impulse buying , even by people with no reason to worry beyond " the economy is bad .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, I'm sure there's been at least some decrease in impulse buying, even by people with no reason to worry beyond "the economy is bad.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731217</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247851200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But it does make sense videogames are effected economically on the tail-end of the boom-bust curve vs lets say the chip industry.
<br>
Cause games are at the very end of the manufacturing process, a lot happens before a game is release (a lot even before s/w development starts).
<br>
And that games require free time is important too--and most of us had a lot of free time lately in this recession...</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it does make sense videogames are effected economically on the tail-end of the boom-bust curve vs lets say the chip industry .
Cause games are at the very end of the manufacturing process , a lot happens before a game is release ( a lot even before s/w development starts ) .
And that games require free time is important too--and most of us had a lot of free time lately in this recession.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it does make sense videogames are effected economically on the tail-end of the boom-bust curve vs lets say the chip industry.
Cause games are at the very end of the manufacturing process, a lot happens before a game is release (a lot even before s/w development starts).
And that games require free time is important too--and most of us had a lot of free time lately in this recession...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731031</id>
	<title>Statistics *groan*</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1247850480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any drop/gain will be the biggest drop/gain in X $time\_unit.  Markets cannot expand indefinitely, eventually there is a saturation.  They will also go up and down.  Statistics are not inherently meaningful.  Trends usually break.  Do they count sales of monthly subscriptions as sales?  People are buying some games over and over and over and over and over and over.  The more MMOs there are, the less NEW games people will buy.</p><p>Wednesday i was older than i've ever been!  Stop the presses! i've been getting older every day for 34 years going.  Analysts wonder how much longer this unprecedented aging can continue.</p><p>Video Game Makers,</p><p>Consider making your games less expensive, more re-playable and more interesting.  With the monstrous processing power and high def TVs and monitors and other wizbang input systems... this should be easy.</p><p>Here's another thought: be grateful that your sales are as good as they are.  Money is tight for most families. If you're turning a profit at all, you should be grateful, not bitchy that you're not making as much as last year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any drop/gain will be the biggest drop/gain in X $ time \ _unit .
Markets can not expand indefinitely , eventually there is a saturation .
They will also go up and down .
Statistics are not inherently meaningful .
Trends usually break .
Do they count sales of monthly subscriptions as sales ?
People are buying some games over and over and over and over and over and over .
The more MMOs there are , the less NEW games people will buy.Wednesday i was older than i 've ever been !
Stop the presses !
i 've been getting older every day for 34 years going .
Analysts wonder how much longer this unprecedented aging can continue.Video Game Makers,Consider making your games less expensive , more re-playable and more interesting .
With the monstrous processing power and high def TVs and monitors and other wizbang input systems... this should be easy.Here 's another thought : be grateful that your sales are as good as they are .
Money is tight for most families .
If you 're turning a profit at all , you should be grateful , not bitchy that you 're not making as much as last year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any drop/gain will be the biggest drop/gain in X $time\_unit.
Markets cannot expand indefinitely, eventually there is a saturation.
They will also go up and down.
Statistics are not inherently meaningful.
Trends usually break.
Do they count sales of monthly subscriptions as sales?
People are buying some games over and over and over and over and over and over.
The more MMOs there are, the less NEW games people will buy.Wednesday i was older than i've ever been!
Stop the presses!
i've been getting older every day for 34 years going.
Analysts wonder how much longer this unprecedented aging can continue.Video Game Makers,Consider making your games less expensive, more re-playable and more interesting.
With the monstrous processing power and high def TVs and monitors and other wizbang input systems... this should be easy.Here's another thought: be grateful that your sales are as good as they are.
Money is tight for most families.
If you're turning a profit at all, you should be grateful, not bitchy that you're not making as much as last year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731203</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>SketchOfNight</author>
	<datestamp>1247851140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been saying this for years - If they'd lower the prices they would net more sales at release and lessen the sales of resellers.</p><p>$40 would be a much more approachable entry level price. $30 would be amazing, but will probably never happen. This $60-$70 business has got to stop or it will drive sales into the ground. Why would anyone want to spend that much money on something they can't guarantee they'll enjoy, may not work properly, and can't even return to any sane retailer?</p><p>If they present games in a more impulse-buy friendly fashion, they will see sales increase.</p><p>It would also help if they would get back to making games worth playing, but that's a whole 'nother topic...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been saying this for years - If they 'd lower the prices they would net more sales at release and lessen the sales of resellers. $ 40 would be a much more approachable entry level price .
$ 30 would be amazing , but will probably never happen .
This $ 60- $ 70 business has got to stop or it will drive sales into the ground .
Why would anyone want to spend that much money on something they ca n't guarantee they 'll enjoy , may not work properly , and ca n't even return to any sane retailer ? If they present games in a more impulse-buy friendly fashion , they will see sales increase.It would also help if they would get back to making games worth playing , but that 's a whole 'nother topic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been saying this for years - If they'd lower the prices they would net more sales at release and lessen the sales of resellers.$40 would be a much more approachable entry level price.
$30 would be amazing, but will probably never happen.
This $60-$70 business has got to stop or it will drive sales into the ground.
Why would anyone want to spend that much money on something they can't guarantee they'll enjoy, may not work properly, and can't even return to any sane retailer?If they present games in a more impulse-buy friendly fashion, they will see sales increase.It would also help if they would get back to making games worth playing, but that's a whole 'nother topic...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730719</id>
	<title>Circumstantial</title>
	<author>MalikyeMoon</author>
	<datestamp>1247849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't about the "economic recession".  The decline in video game sales from last June to this June can be explained easily by the following:

- Last June people were still buying a new system (this year is another year further from their inception).  I bought a PS3 for the first time last year for example.

- This year there is a HUGE absence of new, quality titles available right now.  Most people are waiting for the large flood of games that are being released this coming fall/winter.  This is usually the case seasonally, but this June seems dryer than last.

- Last year the Guitar Hero/RB craze was still going strong, and since the "newness" has worn off quite a bit by now, so as the demand for $150-200 accessory packages.

They were lucky to be doing as well as they were last June.  They are still making a fair buck.  People traditionally play fewer games in the summer do to:  wanting to be outdoors instead of turning into mushrooms, vacations, sports, etc.  This isn't time to cry "the industry is way down due to the recession".  Just wait for the holiday season with:  Diablo 3, Aion, Batman:Darkham Asylum, Rock Band:  Beatles, and a ton of others being released.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't about the " economic recession " .
The decline in video game sales from last June to this June can be explained easily by the following : - Last June people were still buying a new system ( this year is another year further from their inception ) .
I bought a PS3 for the first time last year for example .
- This year there is a HUGE absence of new , quality titles available right now .
Most people are waiting for the large flood of games that are being released this coming fall/winter .
This is usually the case seasonally , but this June seems dryer than last .
- Last year the Guitar Hero/RB craze was still going strong , and since the " newness " has worn off quite a bit by now , so as the demand for $ 150-200 accessory packages .
They were lucky to be doing as well as they were last June .
They are still making a fair buck .
People traditionally play fewer games in the summer do to : wanting to be outdoors instead of turning into mushrooms , vacations , sports , etc .
This is n't time to cry " the industry is way down due to the recession " .
Just wait for the holiday season with : Diablo 3 , Aion , Batman : Darkham Asylum , Rock Band : Beatles , and a ton of others being released .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't about the "economic recession".
The decline in video game sales from last June to this June can be explained easily by the following:

- Last June people were still buying a new system (this year is another year further from their inception).
I bought a PS3 for the first time last year for example.
- This year there is a HUGE absence of new, quality titles available right now.
Most people are waiting for the large flood of games that are being released this coming fall/winter.
This is usually the case seasonally, but this June seems dryer than last.
- Last year the Guitar Hero/RB craze was still going strong, and since the "newness" has worn off quite a bit by now, so as the demand for $150-200 accessory packages.
They were lucky to be doing as well as they were last June.
They are still making a fair buck.
People traditionally play fewer games in the summer do to:  wanting to be outdoors instead of turning into mushrooms, vacations, sports, etc.
This isn't time to cry "the industry is way down due to the recession".
Just wait for the holiday season with:  Diablo 3, Aion, Batman:Darkham Asylum, Rock Band:  Beatles, and a ton of others being released.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732021</id>
	<title>The piracy argument is sort of legitimate</title>
	<author>wernox1987</author>
	<datestamp>1247854740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Bannerbomb hack for the Wii really caught on in May.  If you are even a little tech savvy you can pretty easily use a soft mod to play burned disks.  If you are really crafty, you can play them via a USB attached HDD.

That had to have an impact on games like Tiger Woods 10.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Bannerbomb hack for the Wii really caught on in May .
If you are even a little tech savvy you can pretty easily use a soft mod to play burned disks .
If you are really crafty , you can play them via a USB attached HDD .
That had to have an impact on games like Tiger Woods 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Bannerbomb hack for the Wii really caught on in May.
If you are even a little tech savvy you can pretty easily use a soft mod to play burned disks.
If you are really crafty, you can play them via a USB attached HDD.
That had to have an impact on games like Tiger Woods 10.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730139</id>
	<title>No good games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247846880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>June was a dry month for video gaming.  Not many good games were released (except for Infamous).</htmltext>
<tokenext>June was a dry month for video gaming .
Not many good games were released ( except for Infamous ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>June was a dry month for video gaming.
Not many good games were released (except for Infamous).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734499</id>
	<title>The nail in the coffin</title>
	<author>steelcaress</author>
	<datestamp>1247822760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is likely the nail in the coffin.  After the PS2 and Xbox were released, PC games were almost released as an afterthought, and a great many games were "ported" over to the PC, usually lame translations.

I used to thank the day M$ became the giant in the playground so I didn't have to bemoan the fact that a fun-looking game was released for Amiga or Atari, and not for my platform.

Nowadays I really want PC gaming to return with a vengeance, as most PS games bore me (the ones I've played can't keep my attention long enough to justify even a rental) and PC is still my platform of choice for games.  Yeah, just try and mod Morrowind on an Xbox!

This slump in sales, I fear, will be the catalyst for making even fewer PC games than we do already, and most of the developer dollars will be thrown towards a console that I do not own or intend to own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is likely the nail in the coffin .
After the PS2 and Xbox were released , PC games were almost released as an afterthought , and a great many games were " ported " over to the PC , usually lame translations .
I used to thank the day M $ became the giant in the playground so I did n't have to bemoan the fact that a fun-looking game was released for Amiga or Atari , and not for my platform .
Nowadays I really want PC gaming to return with a vengeance , as most PS games bore me ( the ones I 've played ca n't keep my attention long enough to justify even a rental ) and PC is still my platform of choice for games .
Yeah , just try and mod Morrowind on an Xbox !
This slump in sales , I fear , will be the catalyst for making even fewer PC games than we do already , and most of the developer dollars will be thrown towards a console that I do not own or intend to own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is likely the nail in the coffin.
After the PS2 and Xbox were released, PC games were almost released as an afterthought, and a great many games were "ported" over to the PC, usually lame translations.
I used to thank the day M$ became the giant in the playground so I didn't have to bemoan the fact that a fun-looking game was released for Amiga or Atari, and not for my platform.
Nowadays I really want PC gaming to return with a vengeance, as most PS games bore me (the ones I've played can't keep my attention long enough to justify even a rental) and PC is still my platform of choice for games.
Yeah, just try and mod Morrowind on an Xbox!
This slump in sales, I fear, will be the catalyst for making even fewer PC games than we do already, and most of the developer dollars will be thrown towards a console that I do not own or intend to own.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28738059</id>
	<title>Books are a dollar at Goodwill</title>
	<author>RazorSharp</author>
	<datestamp>1247848740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have hundreds, most of which are classics.</p><p>Imagine in just ten or twenty years the games you pay $60 a piece for will be bought by someone like me at Goodwill for $1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have hundreds , most of which are classics.Imagine in just ten or twenty years the games you pay $ 60 a piece for will be bought by someone like me at Goodwill for $ 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have hundreds, most of which are classics.Imagine in just ten or twenty years the games you pay $60 a piece for will be bought by someone like me at Goodwill for $1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730887</id>
	<title>Take your pick</title>
	<author>netruner</author>
	<datestamp>1247849820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a recession, people are out of work (despite what some think, food and shelter <i>are</i> more important than gaming).  Few good games have been released, (it's about the plotline, not how big you can draw the imaginary gun).  MMORPGs supply ongoing gaming experience for a low, flat rate per month.<br> <br>
I realize that these are hard problems to fix, but the "silver bullet / soundbite" method appeals to the sheeple that follow the loudest voice that keeps its words small.  So we're bound to hear from casual or even non-gamers how piracy and used game stores are the source of these woes.<br> <br>
Accept it - adapt and overcome.  Figure out how to rebut these claims - keep your words small and your voice loud.  Repetition never hurts either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a recession , people are out of work ( despite what some think , food and shelter are more important than gaming ) .
Few good games have been released , ( it 's about the plotline , not how big you can draw the imaginary gun ) .
MMORPGs supply ongoing gaming experience for a low , flat rate per month .
I realize that these are hard problems to fix , but the " silver bullet / soundbite " method appeals to the sheeple that follow the loudest voice that keeps its words small .
So we 're bound to hear from casual or even non-gamers how piracy and used game stores are the source of these woes .
Accept it - adapt and overcome .
Figure out how to rebut these claims - keep your words small and your voice loud .
Repetition never hurts either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a recession, people are out of work (despite what some think, food and shelter are more important than gaming).
Few good games have been released, (it's about the plotline, not how big you can draw the imaginary gun).
MMORPGs supply ongoing gaming experience for a low, flat rate per month.
I realize that these are hard problems to fix, but the "silver bullet / soundbite" method appeals to the sheeple that follow the loudest voice that keeps its words small.
So we're bound to hear from casual or even non-gamers how piracy and used game stores are the source of these woes.
Accept it - adapt and overcome.
Figure out how to rebut these claims - keep your words small and your voice loud.
Repetition never hurts either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730533</id>
	<title>Re:Games are obviously too cheap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247848440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's already started. The UK CoD6 is going to be listed at 55 UKP for the standard edition, that's almost $90 at today's exchange rate! They're blaming the exchange rate, but that's bogus. 1.6:1 is pretty good from UK's perspective, and that's ignoring their crystal ball predictions. The game isn't out until the holiday season.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already started .
The UK CoD6 is going to be listed at 55 UKP for the standard edition , that 's almost $ 90 at today 's exchange rate !
They 're blaming the exchange rate , but that 's bogus .
1.6 : 1 is pretty good from UK 's perspective , and that 's ignoring their crystal ball predictions .
The game is n't out until the holiday season .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's already started.
The UK CoD6 is going to be listed at 55 UKP for the standard edition, that's almost $90 at today's exchange rate!
They're blaming the exchange rate, but that's bogus.
1.6:1 is pretty good from UK's perspective, and that's ignoring their crystal ball predictions.
The game isn't out until the holiday season.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730233</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730829</id>
	<title>Maybe...just maybe...</title>
	<author>Drakin020</author>
	<datestamp>1247849640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has something to do with the fact that developers continue to charge $60 for a game that's the exact same thing as the first version but with better graphics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has something to do with the fact that developers continue to charge $ 60 for a game that 's the exact same thing as the first version but with better graphics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has something to do with the fact that developers continue to charge $60 for a game that's the exact same thing as the first version but with better graphics.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730815</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well only console games are priced so high, pc games cost less!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well only console games are priced so high , pc games cost less !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well only console games are priced so high, pc games cost less!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730793</id>
	<title>It's the quality of the games...</title>
	<author>Organic Brain Damage</author>
	<datestamp>1247849520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...stupid.  I recently picked up HL2 Orange Box.  It does NOT work on 3 machines, one 3 years old, two new this year.  Steam just downloads and downloads forever over 22 mbps cable connection and the game never starts.

I also just picked up Neverwinter Nights 2.  It needs to patch for about 5 hours before it's playable.  I tried the unpatched before patching.  The game deadends easily and crashes frequently and runs really slow.  I feel sorry for the folks who bought this back when it was new and had to wait for the patches.

Even if the games worked as designed, the general design of games is so poor when it comes to playability that playing them has become boring.  So, when money is tight, people quickly figure out what's necessary and what's not necessary and broken crappy games at $40, $50 or $60 are simply not necessary.  Expect sales to continue to decline.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...stupid .
I recently picked up HL2 Orange Box .
It does NOT work on 3 machines , one 3 years old , two new this year .
Steam just downloads and downloads forever over 22 mbps cable connection and the game never starts .
I also just picked up Neverwinter Nights 2 .
It needs to patch for about 5 hours before it 's playable .
I tried the unpatched before patching .
The game deadends easily and crashes frequently and runs really slow .
I feel sorry for the folks who bought this back when it was new and had to wait for the patches .
Even if the games worked as designed , the general design of games is so poor when it comes to playability that playing them has become boring .
So , when money is tight , people quickly figure out what 's necessary and what 's not necessary and broken crappy games at $ 40 , $ 50 or $ 60 are simply not necessary .
Expect sales to continue to decline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...stupid.
I recently picked up HL2 Orange Box.
It does NOT work on 3 machines, one 3 years old, two new this year.
Steam just downloads and downloads forever over 22 mbps cable connection and the game never starts.
I also just picked up Neverwinter Nights 2.
It needs to patch for about 5 hours before it's playable.
I tried the unpatched before patching.
The game deadends easily and crashes frequently and runs really slow.
I feel sorry for the folks who bought this back when it was new and had to wait for the patches.
Even if the games worked as designed, the general design of games is so poor when it comes to playability that playing them has become boring.
So, when money is tight, people quickly figure out what's necessary and what's not necessary and broken crappy games at $40, $50 or $60 are simply not necessary.
Expect sales to continue to decline.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730649</id>
	<title>Re:Games are obviously too cheap</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1247848920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10 years ago the price was $70-80 for a game if not more.  If I hadn't tossed the boxes for some of the games I had from back then I'd scan them.  Some games like like Independence War, MechWarrior(1-4), BG/BG2 PS:Torment and the like you'd see a sticker price of $69.99-78.99</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10 years ago the price was $ 70-80 for a game if not more .
If I had n't tossed the boxes for some of the games I had from back then I 'd scan them .
Some games like like Independence War , MechWarrior ( 1-4 ) , BG/BG2 PS : Torment and the like you 'd see a sticker price of $ 69.99-78.99</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 years ago the price was $70-80 for a game if not more.
If I hadn't tossed the boxes for some of the games I had from back then I'd scan them.
Some games like like Independence War, MechWarrior(1-4), BG/BG2 PS:Torment and the like you'd see a sticker price of $69.99-78.99</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730233</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730225</id>
	<title>Why I don't buy video games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize that the issues are probably mostly economic (lack of capital both to produce and buy games), but here's my spiel: I just don't see the point. First of all, the games shouldn't be <i>that</i> expensive to produce. At &gt;$50 a pop, if I find that I don't like it, it's just a waste of money. Maybe if prices came down, I'd experiment more. But now, I'm more than happy to buy games that are a few years old to save $20 when I know that I'm only going to play it for a month or so.</p><p>Second of all, what good games have come out recently? I realize that it's a hugely subjective topic (I recall a topic on Slashdot a few weeks ago on graphics and video games), but honestly, all I want in a game is good gameplay and a nice multiplayer environment. And all my friends play nothing but Melee, I don't see why I'd bother playing anything else. That's how it usually ends up anyways; no matter how many games I have, Ijust end up playing one over and over again while the others gather dust. So why bother buying?</p><p>And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside. It's just not worth it anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize that the issues are probably mostly economic ( lack of capital both to produce and buy games ) , but here 's my spiel : I just do n't see the point .
First of all , the games should n't be that expensive to produce .
At &gt; $ 50 a pop , if I find that I do n't like it , it 's just a waste of money .
Maybe if prices came down , I 'd experiment more .
But now , I 'm more than happy to buy games that are a few years old to save $ 20 when I know that I 'm only going to play it for a month or so.Second of all , what good games have come out recently ?
I realize that it 's a hugely subjective topic ( I recall a topic on Slashdot a few weeks ago on graphics and video games ) , but honestly , all I want in a game is good gameplay and a nice multiplayer environment .
And all my friends play nothing but Melee , I do n't see why I 'd bother playing anything else .
That 's how it usually ends up anyways ; no matter how many games I have , Ijust end up playing one over and over again while the others gather dust .
So why bother buying ? And to add to the cost , so many consoles ( especially the Wii ) require buying extra peripherals , which will also end up going to the wayside .
It 's just not worth it anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize that the issues are probably mostly economic (lack of capital both to produce and buy games), but here's my spiel: I just don't see the point.
First of all, the games shouldn't be that expensive to produce.
At &gt;$50 a pop, if I find that I don't like it, it's just a waste of money.
Maybe if prices came down, I'd experiment more.
But now, I'm more than happy to buy games that are a few years old to save $20 when I know that I'm only going to play it for a month or so.Second of all, what good games have come out recently?
I realize that it's a hugely subjective topic (I recall a topic on Slashdot a few weeks ago on graphics and video games), but honestly, all I want in a game is good gameplay and a nice multiplayer environment.
And all my friends play nothing but Melee, I don't see why I'd bother playing anything else.
That's how it usually ends up anyways; no matter how many games I have, Ijust end up playing one over and over again while the others gather dust.
So why bother buying?And to add to the cost, so many consoles (especially the Wii) require buying extra peripherals, which will also end up going to the wayside.
It's just not worth it anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731777</id>
	<title>Re:Going back to old games</title>
	<author>Segisaurus</author>
	<datestamp>1247853780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also pulled out Diablo 2:LOD in the past month to play with friends.  We're having a blast.  We also started playing BOARD GAMES!!! How old school, right.  Not monopoly style games, but <a href="http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/15987" title="boardgamegeek.com" rel="nofollow">Arkham Horror</a> [boardgamegeek.com].   We got this for about $20 on sale.  We get so into it we lose track of the time.  I can't remember the last Video game that did that to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also pulled out Diablo 2 : LOD in the past month to play with friends .
We 're having a blast .
We also started playing BOARD GAMES ! ! !
How old school , right .
Not monopoly style games , but Arkham Horror [ boardgamegeek.com ] .
We got this for about $ 20 on sale .
We get so into it we lose track of the time .
I ca n't remember the last Video game that did that to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also pulled out Diablo 2:LOD in the past month to play with friends.
We're having a blast.
We also started playing BOARD GAMES!!!
How old school, right.
Not monopoly style games, but Arkham Horror [boardgamegeek.com].
We got this for about $20 on sale.
We get so into it we lose track of the time.
I can't remember the last Video game that did that to me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730283</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733559</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>tonyreadsnews</author>
	<datestamp>1247861760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In that case, why not just get a Gamefly subscription. Half price of a game is at least 2 months subscription.<br>Also, why sell it for half price? You could probably hock it on ebay for 60-80\% retail value. Or trade it for a different one at switchgames.com.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case , why not just get a Gamefly subscription .
Half price of a game is at least 2 months subscription.Also , why sell it for half price ?
You could probably hock it on ebay for 60-80 \ % retail value .
Or trade it for a different one at switchgames.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case, why not just get a Gamefly subscription.
Half price of a game is at least 2 months subscription.Also, why sell it for half price?
You could probably hock it on ebay for 60-80\% retail value.
Or trade it for a different one at switchgames.com.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730939</id>
	<title>Re:Buying used games?</title>
	<author>megamerican</author>
	<datestamp>1247850000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps everyone has been playing the oldest MMO for free with no subscription called <i>Outside?</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps everyone has been playing the oldest MMO for free with no subscription called Outside ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps everyone has been playing the oldest MMO for free with no subscription called Outside?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730223</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730397</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh, I wait till Newegg or GoGamer has them for $25 or less or if Impuse has a good sale..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , I wait till Newegg or GoGamer has them for $ 25 or less or if Impuse has a good sale. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, I wait till Newegg or GoGamer has them for $25 or less or if Impuse has a good sale..</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731107</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>G33kGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247850840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if a significant portion of the gamer population did you what did, its not really much of a loss for them.

They get the first batch of buyers at $59.99, and once it gets around $30.00 they get another sales boost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if a significant portion of the gamer population did you what did , its not really much of a loss for them .
They get the first batch of buyers at $ 59.99 , and once it gets around $ 30.00 they get another sales boost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if a significant portion of the gamer population did you what did, its not really much of a loss for them.
They get the first batch of buyers at $59.99, and once it gets around $30.00 they get another sales boost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732061</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>tixxit</author>
	<datestamp>1247854920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I the only one that thinks $60 is reasonable? Game development costs have only gone up, while the increases in game prices have stayed well below inflation. A movie costs $20 to buy. It entertains you for an hour and a half to 2 hours. A game, hopefully, will provide entertainment for considerably longer. I play most games I buy for at least 15+ hours; some CONSIDERABLY longer. Also, given how publishers have been doing, they really aren't rolling in the dough (for the most part). If you want to see a lot of good games, then game development has to remain profitable. An, no just because you sell the game for half price, does not mean you will sell double (though it is possible). Playing a game requires a much bigger investment in time then money. The amount of games people buy is probably limited most by how often they play them. I probably buy 3 or 4 games a year. $200/year really isn't breaking the bank for me and I would not buy more games if they were $30, I wouldn't have the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that thinks $ 60 is reasonable ?
Game development costs have only gone up , while the increases in game prices have stayed well below inflation .
A movie costs $ 20 to buy .
It entertains you for an hour and a half to 2 hours .
A game , hopefully , will provide entertainment for considerably longer .
I play most games I buy for at least 15 + hours ; some CONSIDERABLY longer .
Also , given how publishers have been doing , they really are n't rolling in the dough ( for the most part ) .
If you want to see a lot of good games , then game development has to remain profitable .
An , no just because you sell the game for half price , does not mean you will sell double ( though it is possible ) .
Playing a game requires a much bigger investment in time then money .
The amount of games people buy is probably limited most by how often they play them .
I probably buy 3 or 4 games a year .
$ 200/year really is n't breaking the bank for me and I would not buy more games if they were $ 30 , I would n't have the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that thinks $60 is reasonable?
Game development costs have only gone up, while the increases in game prices have stayed well below inflation.
A movie costs $20 to buy.
It entertains you for an hour and a half to 2 hours.
A game, hopefully, will provide entertainment for considerably longer.
I play most games I buy for at least 15+ hours; some CONSIDERABLY longer.
Also, given how publishers have been doing, they really aren't rolling in the dough (for the most part).
If you want to see a lot of good games, then game development has to remain profitable.
An, no just because you sell the game for half price, does not mean you will sell double (though it is possible).
Playing a game requires a much bigger investment in time then money.
The amount of games people buy is probably limited most by how often they play them.
I probably buy 3 or 4 games a year.
$200/year really isn't breaking the bank for me and I would not buy more games if they were $30, I wouldn't have the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730733</id>
	<title>Perhaps the EVO Can Help The Market</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1247849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hang out with mostly college kids and I have to say that very few of them are wiling or capable to spend $60 on a given title. Even the latest OMGWTFAWESOME titles that have massive cult fanbases (I'm looking at you Halo) can't garner as many sales on a reputation alone when the sequels are just half-assed remakes of the original. As other slashdotters have mentioned, prices are just too high for the crap we are being sold these days.
<br> <br>
That being said, I wonder if <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/03/evo-linux-game-console-now-up-for-pre-order/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">The EVO</a> [engadget.com] can make any headway in this market since, according to that article, games should be roughly $20.00. Start offering gamers a chance to have a new title for the price of a used one and XBox, Nintendo, and Sony may wake up and realize that there is a new kid on the block. Of course, that is assuming that word about the evo gets spread around the population in general.
<br> <br>
Cheers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hang out with mostly college kids and I have to say that very few of them are wiling or capable to spend $ 60 on a given title .
Even the latest OMGWTFAWESOME titles that have massive cult fanbases ( I 'm looking at you Halo ) ca n't garner as many sales on a reputation alone when the sequels are just half-assed remakes of the original .
As other slashdotters have mentioned , prices are just too high for the crap we are being sold these days .
That being said , I wonder if The EVO [ engadget.com ] can make any headway in this market since , according to that article , games should be roughly $ 20.00 .
Start offering gamers a chance to have a new title for the price of a used one and XBox , Nintendo , and Sony may wake up and realize that there is a new kid on the block .
Of course , that is assuming that word about the evo gets spread around the population in general .
Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hang out with mostly college kids and I have to say that very few of them are wiling or capable to spend $60 on a given title.
Even the latest OMGWTFAWESOME titles that have massive cult fanbases (I'm looking at you Halo) can't garner as many sales on a reputation alone when the sequels are just half-assed remakes of the original.
As other slashdotters have mentioned, prices are just too high for the crap we are being sold these days.
That being said, I wonder if The EVO [engadget.com] can make any headway in this market since, according to that article, games should be roughly $20.00.
Start offering gamers a chance to have a new title for the price of a used one and XBox, Nintendo, and Sony may wake up and realize that there is a new kid on the block.
Of course, that is assuming that word about the evo gets spread around the population in general.
Cheers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733567</id>
	<title>Re:You know what might help?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247861820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're talking about Ar tonelico 2, it might be due to the unavoidable crash bug in the next to last boss's attacks.  NISA really screwed up AT2.  They even have kanji and Japanese popping up in one part of the localization that could have been caught on a single playthrough of the game. It's an unskippable event!</p><p>If you're talking about Ar tonelico 1, that came out ages ago. It's a niche genre, you can't expect<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/too/ many copies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're talking about Ar tonelico 2 , it might be due to the unavoidable crash bug in the next to last boss 's attacks .
NISA really screwed up AT2 .
They even have kanji and Japanese popping up in one part of the localization that could have been caught on a single playthrough of the game .
It 's an unskippable event ! If you 're talking about Ar tonelico 1 , that came out ages ago .
It 's a niche genre , you ca n't expect /too/ many copies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're talking about Ar tonelico 2, it might be due to the unavoidable crash bug in the next to last boss's attacks.
NISA really screwed up AT2.
They even have kanji and Japanese popping up in one part of the localization that could have been caught on a single playthrough of the game.
It's an unskippable event!If you're talking about Ar tonelico 1, that came out ages ago.
It's a niche genre, you can't expect /too/ many copies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730641</id>
	<title>There are good games!</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1247848920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a gamer, and there are plenty of good games out there. (Note: Good, not great, but Great games are very hard to come by).

There just aren't that many new game releases right now. Most of them are waiting until it is closer to the holiday shopping season. I know I'm saving up for Halo:ODST and Left 4 dead 2 before I make a new purchase. Yes, the economy has hit me, but I still want to consume new games!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a gamer , and there are plenty of good games out there .
( Note : Good , not great , but Great games are very hard to come by ) .
There just are n't that many new game releases right now .
Most of them are waiting until it is closer to the holiday shopping season .
I know I 'm saving up for Halo : ODST and Left 4 dead 2 before I make a new purchase .
Yes , the economy has hit me , but I still want to consume new games !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a gamer, and there are plenty of good games out there.
(Note: Good, not great, but Great games are very hard to come by).
There just aren't that many new game releases right now.
Most of them are waiting until it is closer to the holiday shopping season.
I know I'm saving up for Halo:ODST and Left 4 dead 2 before I make a new purchase.
Yes, the economy has hit me, but I still want to consume new games!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731117</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>MogNuts</author>
	<datestamp>1247850840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles. With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable. It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more. When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed. I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later. And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*. But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN? Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional. And you can only get it from one source. I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released. Makes you wonder. In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5). But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just thinking lately , I worry about the future of consoles .
With PC DRM , the general consensus is that PCs ca n't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable .
It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more .
When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN , we 're screwed .
I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later .
And one can still find patches or a patched PC game * somewhere * .
But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN ?
Forget it , pre-patched they 're broken and non-functional .
And you can only get it from one source .
I 'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released .
Makes you wonder .
In the console world , 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle ( 1 cycle is typically 5 ) .
But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in * 7 years * ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just thinking lately, I worry about the future of consoles.
With PC DRM, the general consensus is that PCs can't play games years later because most likely the DRM servers are unavailable.
It made me wonder--and now I worry about the console even more.
When MS/Sony decide to pull the plug on patch support for games on XBOX Live/PSN, we're screwed.
I can still play FF 1 or Dragon Warrior on my NES almost 3 decades later.
And one can still find patches or a patched PC game *somewhere*.
But Oblivion or GTA4 without patches from Live/PSN?
Forget it, pre-patched they're broken and non-functional.
And you can only get it from one source.
I'm very curious as to how Sony/MS will handle legacy hardware/games when new consoles are released.
Makes you wonder.
In the console world, 7 years is barely more than 1 console cycle (1 cycle is typically 5).
But do you think MS/Sony will still provide patch servers in *7 years*?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731171</id>
	<title>You know what might help?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247851020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a suggestion...</p><p>Try selling the fucking games for more than 45 minutes.</p><p>Seriously, instead of the normal price-dropping sequence, one thing I'm seeing a lot lately (mostly in niche games) is, after the really SHORT period where no one buys a game for $60, they just stop shipping it entirely!</p><p>A few months ago, I actually paid $65 for a USED copy of Ar Tonelico since I'd missed news of its release and no one had it! Not gamestop, not amazon... it's nuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a suggestion...Try selling the fucking games for more than 45 minutes.Seriously , instead of the normal price-dropping sequence , one thing I 'm seeing a lot lately ( mostly in niche games ) is , after the really SHORT period where no one buys a game for $ 60 , they just stop shipping it entirely ! A few months ago , I actually paid $ 65 for a USED copy of Ar Tonelico since I 'd missed news of its release and no one had it !
Not gamestop , not amazon... it 's nuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a suggestion...Try selling the fucking games for more than 45 minutes.Seriously, instead of the normal price-dropping sequence, one thing I'm seeing a lot lately (mostly in niche games) is, after the really SHORT period where no one buys a game for $60, they just stop shipping it entirely!A few months ago, I actually paid $65 for a USED copy of Ar Tonelico since I'd missed news of its release and no one had it!
Not gamestop, not amazon... it's nuts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28733951</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>amohat</author>
	<datestamp>1247863620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I waited for Spore to come out for years but when it dropped the news were rife with terrible DRM issues so I avoided it. Not even gonna torrent it, even tho folks already cracked the hell out of it.</p><p>The way i see it, if they don't want me to play their games, I'm not going to argue with them. There are endless other things for me to spend my time and money on, those motherfuckers just look at me funny and I'm gone. I'm not going to risk my computer on some bullshit.</p><p>Same goes for movies...is it just me or is it easier and more rewarding than ever to just walk away from what used to be compelling purchases?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I waited for Spore to come out for years but when it dropped the news were rife with terrible DRM issues so I avoided it .
Not even gon na torrent it , even tho folks already cracked the hell out of it.The way i see it , if they do n't want me to play their games , I 'm not going to argue with them .
There are endless other things for me to spend my time and money on , those motherfuckers just look at me funny and I 'm gone .
I 'm not going to risk my computer on some bullshit.Same goes for movies...is it just me or is it easier and more rewarding than ever to just walk away from what used to be compelling purchases ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I waited for Spore to come out for years but when it dropped the news were rife with terrible DRM issues so I avoided it.
Not even gonna torrent it, even tho folks already cracked the hell out of it.The way i see it, if they don't want me to play their games, I'm not going to argue with them.
There are endless other things for me to spend my time and money on, those motherfuckers just look at me funny and I'm gone.
I'm not going to risk my computer on some bullshit.Same goes for movies...is it just me or is it easier and more rewarding than ever to just walk away from what used to be compelling purchases?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730277</id>
	<title>It's "CUE" you dumbfuck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop trying so hard.  The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.</p><p>captcha: souped</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop trying so hard .
The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.captcha : souped</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop trying so hard.
The word with the obvious spelling is the right choice.captcha: souped</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730599</id>
	<title>I've been buying more...</title>
	<author>Mango Fett</author>
	<datestamp>1247848680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found the recession to actually cause me to buy more games.  Here's the kicker - I rarely buy them at $59.99 at release (maybe 1 per month, down from 4-6 across PC, 360, Wii, PS3, PSP, DS). So, I'm spending less on games, but playing more.</p><p>Considering the typical game release lifecycle:</p><p>1.  Hype game months before release<br>2.  Fanboys proclaim it the next big thing<br>3.  Release game<br>4.  Lukewarm community reception<br>5.  Fanboy revolt/denial - "the game is great, you have to know how to play it"<br>6.  Play for 5-10 days<br>7.  Game is all but abandoned on-line.<br>8.  GOTO 2</p><p>What I'm doing is hitting up games on the cheap.  Say I'm mildly interested in a game, but it's not a ZOMG GOTTA HAVE NOW!!!, I've just learned a bit of patience and will get it on a price drop.  It's amazing how a middle of the road game can be a bad experience at $60, but a decent play at  $20(FEAR 2 for example).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found the recession to actually cause me to buy more games .
Here 's the kicker - I rarely buy them at $ 59.99 at release ( maybe 1 per month , down from 4-6 across PC , 360 , Wii , PS3 , PSP , DS ) .
So , I 'm spending less on games , but playing more.Considering the typical game release lifecycle : 1 .
Hype game months before release2 .
Fanboys proclaim it the next big thing3 .
Release game4 .
Lukewarm community reception5 .
Fanboy revolt/denial - " the game is great , you have to know how to play it " 6 .
Play for 5-10 days7 .
Game is all but abandoned on-line.8 .
GOTO 2What I 'm doing is hitting up games on the cheap .
Say I 'm mildly interested in a game , but it 's not a ZOMG GOT TA HAVE NOW ! !
! , I 've just learned a bit of patience and will get it on a price drop .
It 's amazing how a middle of the road game can be a bad experience at $ 60 , but a decent play at $ 20 ( FEAR 2 for example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found the recession to actually cause me to buy more games.
Here's the kicker - I rarely buy them at $59.99 at release (maybe 1 per month, down from 4-6 across PC, 360, Wii, PS3, PSP, DS).
So, I'm spending less on games, but playing more.Considering the typical game release lifecycle:1.
Hype game months before release2.
Fanboys proclaim it the next big thing3.
Release game4.
Lukewarm community reception5.
Fanboy revolt/denial - "the game is great, you have to know how to play it"6.
Play for 5-10 days7.
Game is all but abandoned on-line.8.
GOTO 2What I'm doing is hitting up games on the cheap.
Say I'm mildly interested in a game, but it's not a ZOMG GOTTA HAVE NOW!!
!, I've just learned a bit of patience and will get it on a price drop.
It's amazing how a middle of the road game can be a bad experience at $60, but a decent play at  $20(FEAR 2 for example).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730751</id>
	<title>PRICE increases during recession?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Canada the latest games are now $69.99 CDN each. Raising the prices to these extremes during tougher economic times simply hurts sales. I have refused to buy any new game over $59.99 CDN not because I don't think the games are great, but simply because as a consumer, I can no longer justify this much for a game. There is an economic limit and I'm sure that game prices have now passed the profit maximization point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Canada the latest games are now $ 69.99 CDN each .
Raising the prices to these extremes during tougher economic times simply hurts sales .
I have refused to buy any new game over $ 59.99 CDN not because I do n't think the games are great , but simply because as a consumer , I can no longer justify this much for a game .
There is an economic limit and I 'm sure that game prices have now passed the profit maximization point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Canada the latest games are now $69.99 CDN each.
Raising the prices to these extremes during tougher economic times simply hurts sales.
I have refused to buy any new game over $59.99 CDN not because I don't think the games are great, but simply because as a consumer, I can no longer justify this much for a game.
There is an economic limit and I'm sure that game prices have now passed the profit maximization point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28735109</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1247825520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, they should look further than the current economic situation. It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.</p></div><p>That's always been the case in a "down economy." Those of us who were around for the dot-com crash in the late 90s/early 2000s will remember tons of companies citing "bad market timing" and an "inability to raise more capital in the climate." While this may have been the case for a few unfortunate startups, it was mostly just that they were poorly executed ideas or just poor ideas.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>People will always seek to reassign blame, nothing new there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , they should look further than the current economic situation .
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.That 's always been the case in a " down economy .
" Those of us who were around for the dot-com crash in the late 90s/early 2000s will remember tons of companies citing " bad market timing " and an " inability to raise more capital in the climate .
" While this may have been the case for a few unfortunate startups , it was mostly just that they were poorly executed ideas or just poor ideas .
: ) People will always seek to reassign blame , nothing new there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, they should look further than the current economic situation.
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.That's always been the case in a "down economy.
" Those of us who were around for the dot-com crash in the late 90s/early 2000s will remember tons of companies citing "bad market timing" and an "inability to raise more capital in the climate.
" While this may have been the case for a few unfortunate startups, it was mostly just that they were poorly executed ideas or just poor ideas.
:)People will always seek to reassign blame, nothing new there.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28738867</id>
	<title>wrong</title>
	<author>slashdotjunker</author>
	<datestamp>1247948100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The answer is very simple. A lot of great games have come out recently and people are spending more time at work. This leads to a backlog of games waiting to be enjoyed. The game companies have realized this, so they held back on some of their releases.
<br> <br>
The videogame world is not coming to an end. Game companies are not stupid.
<br> <br>
Also, many posters are incorrectly assuming that the recession will negatively impact games. Many are also trying to link this to the "high" price of games. This is very wrong.
<br> <br>
Games are cheap. They really are cheap. Spoiler alert: I'll repeat this one more time before this post is done. In terms of dollars per hour of entertainment it's hard to beat a video game. This makes games the cheaper, low class alternative to premium entertainment.
<br> <br>
In a recession people flock to cheaper alternatives. The correct analogy is entertainment:food as videogame:fastfood. In a recession more people eat fast food, and more people buy video games. We saw exactly this behaviour when the recession hit.
<br> <br>
I almost forgot. Games are cheap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is very simple .
A lot of great games have come out recently and people are spending more time at work .
This leads to a backlog of games waiting to be enjoyed .
The game companies have realized this , so they held back on some of their releases .
The videogame world is not coming to an end .
Game companies are not stupid .
Also , many posters are incorrectly assuming that the recession will negatively impact games .
Many are also trying to link this to the " high " price of games .
This is very wrong .
Games are cheap .
They really are cheap .
Spoiler alert : I 'll repeat this one more time before this post is done .
In terms of dollars per hour of entertainment it 's hard to beat a video game .
This makes games the cheaper , low class alternative to premium entertainment .
In a recession people flock to cheaper alternatives .
The correct analogy is entertainment : food as videogame : fastfood .
In a recession more people eat fast food , and more people buy video games .
We saw exactly this behaviour when the recession hit .
I almost forgot .
Games are cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is very simple.
A lot of great games have come out recently and people are spending more time at work.
This leads to a backlog of games waiting to be enjoyed.
The game companies have realized this, so they held back on some of their releases.
The videogame world is not coming to an end.
Game companies are not stupid.
Also, many posters are incorrectly assuming that the recession will negatively impact games.
Many are also trying to link this to the "high" price of games.
This is very wrong.
Games are cheap.
They really are cheap.
Spoiler alert: I'll repeat this one more time before this post is done.
In terms of dollars per hour of entertainment it's hard to beat a video game.
This makes games the cheaper, low class alternative to premium entertainment.
In a recession people flock to cheaper alternatives.
The correct analogy is entertainment:food as videogame:fastfood.
In a recession more people eat fast food, and more people buy video games.
We saw exactly this behaviour when the recession hit.
I almost forgot.
Games are cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730207</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1247847240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just June?  My GameFly queue was empty for about 4 months.  June is when they started releasing games I'd play again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just June ?
My GameFly queue was empty for about 4 months .
June is when they started releasing games I 'd play again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just June?
My GameFly queue was empty for about 4 months.
June is when they started releasing games I'd play again!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730597</id>
	<title>bah</title>
	<author>pgag45</author>
	<datestamp>1247848680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>summer months are always down time for video games... especially with no recent hardware/consoles released in the past 2 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>summer months are always down time for video games... especially with no recent hardware/consoles released in the past 2 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>summer months are always down time for video games... especially with no recent hardware/consoles released in the past 2 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730171</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>thedonger</author>
	<datestamp>1247847120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, after reading the summary I though, If the video game industry needs sales of crap in order to be profitable, maybe the lesson should be <em>make better games</em>.</p><p>Also, they should look further than the current economic situation. It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , after reading the summary I though , If the video game industry needs sales of crap in order to be profitable , maybe the lesson should be make better games.Also , they should look further than the current economic situation .
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, after reading the summary I though, If the video game industry needs sales of crap in order to be profitable, maybe the lesson should be make better games.Also, they should look further than the current economic situation.
It is getting too easy for people to site that as the cause for decline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731881</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>bill\_kress</author>
	<datestamp>1247854200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$30 is pretty much my limit--so I play a lot on my DS now which has nearly all its games in the 20-35 range.</p><p>Also I'm sure some people are just messing with their iPhone.</p><p>I'm not saying that they compare in quality or graphics or anything--more that graphics are overrated.  Currently I'm playing "Dark Spire", virtually NO graphics, old school wizardry style game.  Runs about $20 in game stores and comes with a music sound track.  Why the hell not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 30 is pretty much my limit--so I play a lot on my DS now which has nearly all its games in the 20-35 range.Also I 'm sure some people are just messing with their iPhone.I 'm not saying that they compare in quality or graphics or anything--more that graphics are overrated .
Currently I 'm playing " Dark Spire " , virtually NO graphics , old school wizardry style game .
Runs about $ 20 in game stores and comes with a music sound track .
Why the hell not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$30 is pretty much my limit--so I play a lot on my DS now which has nearly all its games in the 20-35 range.Also I'm sure some people are just messing with their iPhone.I'm not saying that they compare in quality or graphics or anything--more that graphics are overrated.
Currently I'm playing "Dark Spire", virtually NO graphics, old school wizardry style game.
Runs about $20 in game stores and comes with a music sound track.
Why the hell not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730421</id>
	<title>Re:Going back to old games</title>
	<author>Dotren</author>
	<datestamp>1247847960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.</p><p>Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island though</p></div><p>Yep, I dug out Diablo II again the other day and even bought the digital download for the LoD expansion since I can't seem to find my damn jewel case and key anywhere (even though I have several of the actual CDs.. Blizzard jewel cases are always the ones that disappear for some reason).</p><p>On a side note, I probably would not have bought that copy of LoD if the new battlenet account and purchasing system wasn't in place.  Valve and Blizzard are my heroes right now for Steam and Battlenet, respectively, and for recognizing that purchasing the game once is enough and for allowing us to keep our game keys online and download the client whenever we wish.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the lack of decent games ( especially those that are playable under linux or wine ) recently , I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur 's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island thoughYep , I dug out Diablo II again the other day and even bought the digital download for the LoD expansion since I ca n't seem to find my damn jewel case and key anywhere ( even though I have several of the actual CDs.. Blizzard jewel cases are always the ones that disappear for some reason ) .On a side note , I probably would not have bought that copy of LoD if the new battlenet account and purchasing system was n't in place .
Valve and Blizzard are my heroes right now for Steam and Battlenet , respectively , and for recognizing that purchasing the game once is enough and for allowing us to keep our game keys online and download the client whenever we wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island thoughYep, I dug out Diablo II again the other day and even bought the digital download for the LoD expansion since I can't seem to find my damn jewel case and key anywhere (even though I have several of the actual CDs.. Blizzard jewel cases are always the ones that disappear for some reason).On a side note, I probably would not have bought that copy of LoD if the new battlenet account and purchasing system wasn't in place.
Valve and Blizzard are my heroes right now for Steam and Battlenet, respectively, and for recognizing that purchasing the game once is enough and for allowing us to keep our game keys online and download the client whenever we wish.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730593</id>
	<title>Re:Going back to old games</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1247848620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.</p><p>Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island though</p></div><p>You know the first chapter of the new Monkey Island is out already, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the lack of decent games ( especially those that are playable under linux or wine ) recently , I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur 's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island thoughYou know the first chapter of the new Monkey Island is out already , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the lack of decent games (especially those that are playable under linux or wine) recently, I found myself digging out Diablo 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 to play.Waiting on Diablo 3 and the new Monkey Island thoughYou know the first chapter of the new Monkey Island is out already, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732747</id>
	<title>Re:You know what might help?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ye, I'm having a hard time buying some DS games from 2008. I checked dozens of shops and they are out of stock everywhere. However, one of those shops will try to hunt them down... So, I ordered 3 different ones there in Mai and I only got one so far. The shop is still trying to get a hold of the other 2. Amazon.com supposedly got them, but hey aren't allowed to sell them to me due to export restrictions. (It's also out of stock in the usual import shops.)</p><p>It's fucking stupid, really. What's wrong with my money, Nintendo? Any other line of business happily takes it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ye , I 'm having a hard time buying some DS games from 2008 .
I checked dozens of shops and they are out of stock everywhere .
However , one of those shops will try to hunt them down... So , I ordered 3 different ones there in Mai and I only got one so far .
The shop is still trying to get a hold of the other 2 .
Amazon.com supposedly got them , but hey are n't allowed to sell them to me due to export restrictions .
( It 's also out of stock in the usual import shops .
) It 's fucking stupid , really .
What 's wrong with my money , Nintendo ?
Any other line of business happily takes it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ye, I'm having a hard time buying some DS games from 2008.
I checked dozens of shops and they are out of stock everywhere.
However, one of those shops will try to hunt them down... So, I ordered 3 different ones there in Mai and I only got one so far.
The shop is still trying to get a hold of the other 2.
Amazon.com supposedly got them, but hey aren't allowed to sell them to me due to export restrictions.
(It's also out of stock in the usual import shops.
)It's fucking stupid, really.
What's wrong with my money, Nintendo?
Any other line of business happily takes it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730715</id>
	<title>mmo?</title>
	<author>bjornlevi</author>
	<datestamp>1247849280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>are they tallying the MMOs in this too?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... as well as the micropayment model some games have?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... news item worthless without the reference to the data they use to calculate these results.</htmltext>
<tokenext>are they tallying the MMOs in this too ?
... as well as the micropayment model some games have ?
... news item worthless without the reference to the data they use to calculate these results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are they tallying the MMOs in this too?
... as well as the micropayment model some games have?
... news item worthless without the reference to the data they use to calculate these results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28731167</id>
	<title>SERIOUSLY!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247851020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at these TERRIBLE games from June...would you consider any of these blockbuster games? Not I.</p><p>FTA</p><p>1) Prototype, Xbox 360, 419,900 units<br>2) UFC 2009: Undisputed, Xbox 360, 338,300 units<br>3) EA Sports Active Bundle, Wii, 289,100 units<br>4) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10, Wii, 272,400 units<br>5) Wii Fit, Wii, 271,600 units<br>6) Night Fight Round 2, Xbox 360, 260,800 units<br>7) Night Fight Round 2, PlayStation 3, 210,300 units<br>8) Mario Kart with Wheel, Wii, 202,100 units<br>9) Red Faction Guerrilla, Xbox 360, 199,400 units<br>10) Infamous, PlayStation 3, 192,700 units.</p><p>GAMES FROM JUNE 2008!!!</p><p>Metal Gear Solid 4 - 774,600 + PS3 Bundle consoles sold!!!<br>Guitar Hero Aerosmith - 570,000<br>GTA 4 - Alot...</p><p>This article is ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at these TERRIBLE games from June...would you consider any of these blockbuster games ?
Not I.FTA1 ) Prototype , Xbox 360 , 419,900 units2 ) UFC 2009 : Undisputed , Xbox 360 , 338,300 units3 ) EA Sports Active Bundle , Wii , 289,100 units4 ) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 , Wii , 272,400 units5 ) Wii Fit , Wii , 271,600 units6 ) Night Fight Round 2 , Xbox 360 , 260,800 units7 ) Night Fight Round 2 , PlayStation 3 , 210,300 units8 ) Mario Kart with Wheel , Wii , 202,100 units9 ) Red Faction Guerrilla , Xbox 360 , 199,400 units10 ) Infamous , PlayStation 3 , 192,700 units.GAMES FROM JUNE 2008 ! !
! Metal Gear Solid 4 - 774,600 + PS3 Bundle consoles sold ! !
! Guitar Hero Aerosmith - 570,000GTA 4 - Alot...This article is ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at these TERRIBLE games from June...would you consider any of these blockbuster games?
Not I.FTA1) Prototype, Xbox 360, 419,900 units2) UFC 2009: Undisputed, Xbox 360, 338,300 units3) EA Sports Active Bundle, Wii, 289,100 units4) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10, Wii, 272,400 units5) Wii Fit, Wii, 271,600 units6) Night Fight Round 2, Xbox 360, 260,800 units7) Night Fight Round 2, PlayStation 3, 210,300 units8) Mario Kart with Wheel, Wii, 202,100 units9) Red Faction Guerrilla, Xbox 360, 199,400 units10) Infamous, PlayStation 3, 192,700 units.GAMES FROM JUNE 2008!!
!Metal Gear Solid 4 - 774,600 + PS3 Bundle consoles sold!!
!Guitar Hero Aerosmith - 570,000GTA 4 - Alot...This article is ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730801</id>
	<title>Probably because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably because last June we had the release of Metal Gear Solid 4, as well as a very expensive, but popular with the casual crowd, Guitar Hero World Tour.  With Grand Theft Auto 4 and Wii Fit launching close to June, that probably affected the sales as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably because last June we had the release of Metal Gear Solid 4 , as well as a very expensive , but popular with the casual crowd , Guitar Hero World Tour .
With Grand Theft Auto 4 and Wii Fit launching close to June , that probably affected the sales as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably because last June we had the release of Metal Gear Solid 4, as well as a very expensive, but popular with the casual crowd, Guitar Hero World Tour.
With Grand Theft Auto 4 and Wii Fit launching close to June, that probably affected the sales as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730223</id>
	<title>Buying used games?</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1247847300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't believe NPD keeps track of used game sales, and a lot of gamers will be turning to Gamestop, Ebay, and Amazon to pick up used games there instead of buying them new.  I've personally been buying more used and even selling a bit of my collection as there seems to be a lot of buyers out there (and of course, more sellers).</p><p>Games are too expensive to keep buying new.  I let the suckers do that for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe NPD keeps track of used game sales , and a lot of gamers will be turning to Gamestop , Ebay , and Amazon to pick up used games there instead of buying them new .
I 've personally been buying more used and even selling a bit of my collection as there seems to be a lot of buyers out there ( and of course , more sellers ) .Games are too expensive to keep buying new .
I let the suckers do that for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe NPD keeps track of used game sales, and a lot of gamers will be turning to Gamestop, Ebay, and Amazon to pick up used games there instead of buying them new.
I've personally been buying more used and even selling a bit of my collection as there seems to be a lot of buyers out there (and of course, more sellers).Games are too expensive to keep buying new.
I let the suckers do that for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730621</id>
	<title>Re:No good games</title>
	<author>arb phd slp</author>
	<datestamp>1247848800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry Games Industry, but I'm all set right now. I've got a list of games I'm waiting on, but the only thing released recently that I want is Ghostbusters (and it's not a "must-have on launch day" purchase).</p><p>* Ghostbusters (Not worth the full price to me right now)<br>* TIger Woods 10 for Wii (weather is nice, I'm playing real golf, thanks)</p><p>...and I'm waiting on<br>* Rock Band Beatles<br>* Metroid Prime Trilogy special edition (Yes, I'll gladly rebuy games I already own with the Wii controls)<br>* Scribblenauts DS (This, I'll buy on launch day!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry Games Industry , but I 'm all set right now .
I 've got a list of games I 'm waiting on , but the only thing released recently that I want is Ghostbusters ( and it 's not a " must-have on launch day " purchase ) .
* Ghostbusters ( Not worth the full price to me right now ) * TIger Woods 10 for Wii ( weather is nice , I 'm playing real golf , thanks ) ...and I 'm waiting on * Rock Band Beatles * Metroid Prime Trilogy special edition ( Yes , I 'll gladly rebuy games I already own with the Wii controls ) * Scribblenauts DS ( This , I 'll buy on launch day !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry Games Industry, but I'm all set right now.
I've got a list of games I'm waiting on, but the only thing released recently that I want is Ghostbusters (and it's not a "must-have on launch day" purchase).
* Ghostbusters (Not worth the full price to me right now)* TIger Woods 10 for Wii (weather is nice, I'm playing real golf, thanks)...and I'm waiting on* Rock Band Beatles* Metroid Prime Trilogy special edition (Yes, I'll gladly rebuy games I already own with the Wii controls)* Scribblenauts DS (This, I'll buy on launch day!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730567</id>
	<title>not the recession</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1247848560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure that folks are being more careful spending their dollars these days.  If the economy goes to hell and you've got less money to spend you won't be throwing it away on crap.  But the problem isn't really that the economy has gone to hell, it's that there's just a glut of crap to buy.</p><p>It seems to me that very few video games are actually worth their price these days.  You pay &gt;$50 for a game with good games have been released this year?</p><p>Plus you've got the vendor lock-in...  Gotta buy your console for $300ish...  Then you're looking for games that run on that console...  And then something good will come out that's exclusive to some other console...  So you're looking at a real price of $350 to play that exclusive game (unless you already bought every console there is)...</p><p>I don't think the problem is that people don't have enough money to buy video games.  I think the problem is that people are finding better ways to entertain themselves.  Maybe they're replaying old games...  Maybe they're milking an MMOG subscription...  Maybe they're renting movies...  Maybe they're reading books...  Maybe they're just hanging out...  Whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that folks are being more careful spending their dollars these days .
If the economy goes to hell and you 've got less money to spend you wo n't be throwing it away on crap .
But the problem is n't really that the economy has gone to hell , it 's that there 's just a glut of crap to buy.It seems to me that very few video games are actually worth their price these days .
You pay &gt; $ 50 for a game with good games have been released this year ? Plus you 've got the vendor lock-in... Got ta buy your console for $ 300ish... Then you 're looking for games that run on that console... And then something good will come out that 's exclusive to some other console... So you 're looking at a real price of $ 350 to play that exclusive game ( unless you already bought every console there is ) ...I do n't think the problem is that people do n't have enough money to buy video games .
I think the problem is that people are finding better ways to entertain themselves .
Maybe they 're replaying old games... Maybe they 're milking an MMOG subscription... Maybe they 're renting movies... Maybe they 're reading books... Maybe they 're just hanging out... Whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that folks are being more careful spending their dollars these days.
If the economy goes to hell and you've got less money to spend you won't be throwing it away on crap.
But the problem isn't really that the economy has gone to hell, it's that there's just a glut of crap to buy.It seems to me that very few video games are actually worth their price these days.
You pay &gt;$50 for a game with good games have been released this year?Plus you've got the vendor lock-in...  Gotta buy your console for $300ish...  Then you're looking for games that run on that console...  And then something good will come out that's exclusive to some other console...  So you're looking at a real price of $350 to play that exclusive game (unless you already bought every console there is)...I don't think the problem is that people don't have enough money to buy video games.
I think the problem is that people are finding better ways to entertain themselves.
Maybe they're replaying old games...  Maybe they're milking an MMOG subscription...  Maybe they're renting movies...  Maybe they're reading books...  Maybe they're just hanging out...  Whatever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730233</id>
	<title>Games are obviously too cheap</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1247847300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long before they raise prices to $70-80 and up? I mean, it's obviously the best, no, the only way to make more money. Oh yes. The only way indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long before they raise prices to $ 70-80 and up ?
I mean , it 's obviously the best , no , the only way to make more money .
Oh yes .
The only way indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long before they raise prices to $70-80 and up?
I mean, it's obviously the best, no, the only way to make more money.
Oh yes.
The only way indeed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28732959</id>
	<title>Re:You know what might help?</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1247858760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Goodness, a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games? Say it ain't so!</p></div><p>Saying "<i>Extremely</i> niche" is overstating things a bit. As recently as last generation, JRPGs were a really REALLY large niche (and they're not even a niche in Japan, which is unsurprising given what the J stands for).</p><p>Although the sibling posts point out a lot of the change: most of them are moving to handhelds (Mostly DS, a few, like Atlus to PSP) and Squeenix has ramped down its output considerably.</p><p>But yeah, it's a big fuck you to the one group who would probably still buy their games if they didn't blow $50M on wizz-bang photorealistic graphics that ate into the profit margin.</p><p>OTOH, maybe it's more expensive to get a decent story, which we do generally want.</p><p>Although... that never stopped Final Fantasy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Goodness , a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games ?
Say it ai n't so ! Saying " Extremely niche " is overstating things a bit .
As recently as last generation , JRPGs were a really REALLY large niche ( and they 're not even a niche in Japan , which is unsurprising given what the J stands for ) .Although the sibling posts point out a lot of the change : most of them are moving to handhelds ( Mostly DS , a few , like Atlus to PSP ) and Squeenix has ramped down its output considerably.But yeah , it 's a big fuck you to the one group who would probably still buy their games if they did n't blow $ 50M on wizz-bang photorealistic graphics that ate into the profit margin.OTOH , maybe it 's more expensive to get a decent story , which we do generally want.Although... that never stopped Final Fantasy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goodness, a short sale period and high secondhand prices on extremely niche games?
Say it ain't so!Saying "Extremely niche" is overstating things a bit.
As recently as last generation, JRPGs were a really REALLY large niche (and they're not even a niche in Japan, which is unsurprising given what the J stands for).Although the sibling posts point out a lot of the change: most of them are moving to handhelds (Mostly DS, a few, like Atlus to PSP) and Squeenix has ramped down its output considerably.But yeah, it's a big fuck you to the one group who would probably still buy their games if they didn't blow $50M on wizz-bang photorealistic graphics that ate into the profit margin.OTOH, maybe it's more expensive to get a decent story, which we do generally want.Although... that never stopped Final Fantasy.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28739853</id>
	<title>The reasons...</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1247922360000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously this big drop in sales has nothing to do with the fact relatively few games, and very few decent ones have been released recently. Nor could it possibly have anything to do with the global financial situation...<br>No, obviously PIRATES are to blame and as such we need stricter laws, tougher punishments and increasingly onerous drm schemes to ensure the video game industry fat cats can continue to enjoy unrealistically high profit margins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously this big drop in sales has nothing to do with the fact relatively few games , and very few decent ones have been released recently .
Nor could it possibly have anything to do with the global financial situation...No , obviously PIRATES are to blame and as such we need stricter laws , tougher punishments and increasingly onerous drm schemes to ensure the video game industry fat cats can continue to enjoy unrealistically high profit margins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously this big drop in sales has nothing to do with the fact relatively few games, and very few decent ones have been released recently.
Nor could it possibly have anything to do with the global financial situation...No, obviously PIRATES are to blame and as such we need stricter laws, tougher punishments and increasingly onerous drm schemes to ensure the video game industry fat cats can continue to enjoy unrealistically high profit margins.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28734771</id>
	<title>Re:I get a little tired of this one</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1247823780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd caution people about getting Left4Dead at this point. I got it back in December and I've gotten my money's worth out of it, but the sequel is due out this holdiay season. If you can wait until January you should be able to catch L4D2 for 1/2 off (at least if they follow the pattern set by TF2 and L4D). Even so, if you have a group of friends to frequently play with you should get enough out of the game before the sequel is out.<br> <br>

As far as the game itself, the heart and soul of the game is the multiplayer versus. The campaigns are fun but especially with a group of friends versus is consistently something to look forward to. Sure, on paper L4D may not look to have a lot of replay with 6 guns, 5 special infected and 4 maps but it never gets boring to work with your zombie team to set up an ambush or to lead the survivors in a mad dash through the horde. The randomization through the "director" works great to keep script strategies from dominating, and I'm looking forward to how it evolves in the sequel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd caution people about getting Left4Dead at this point .
I got it back in December and I 've gotten my money 's worth out of it , but the sequel is due out this holdiay season .
If you can wait until January you should be able to catch L4D2 for 1/2 off ( at least if they follow the pattern set by TF2 and L4D ) .
Even so , if you have a group of friends to frequently play with you should get enough out of the game before the sequel is out .
As far as the game itself , the heart and soul of the game is the multiplayer versus .
The campaigns are fun but especially with a group of friends versus is consistently something to look forward to .
Sure , on paper L4D may not look to have a lot of replay with 6 guns , 5 special infected and 4 maps but it never gets boring to work with your zombie team to set up an ambush or to lead the survivors in a mad dash through the horde .
The randomization through the " director " works great to keep script strategies from dominating , and I 'm looking forward to how it evolves in the sequel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd caution people about getting Left4Dead at this point.
I got it back in December and I've gotten my money's worth out of it, but the sequel is due out this holdiay season.
If you can wait until January you should be able to catch L4D2 for 1/2 off (at least if they follow the pattern set by TF2 and L4D).
Even so, if you have a group of friends to frequently play with you should get enough out of the game before the sequel is out.
As far as the game itself, the heart and soul of the game is the multiplayer versus.
The campaigns are fun but especially with a group of friends versus is consistently something to look forward to.
Sure, on paper L4D may not look to have a lot of replay with 6 guns, 5 special infected and 4 maps but it never gets boring to work with your zombie team to set up an ambush or to lead the survivors in a mad dash through the horde.
The randomization through the "director" works great to keep script strategies from dominating, and I'm looking forward to how it evolves in the sequel.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730177</id>
	<title>Queue "Piracy" reasoning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch.. this will turn into a big "See?  Piracy is ruining the gaming business" blamefest...  It's easier to blame piracy rather than crappy game design..  Of course, I'm sure the economy is playing a part as well.  Although, from what I've read, people are reluctant to give up their hobbies, even in the face of a bad economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch.. this will turn into a big " See ?
Piracy is ruining the gaming business " blamefest... It 's easier to blame piracy rather than crappy game design.. Of course , I 'm sure the economy is playing a part as well .
Although , from what I 've read , people are reluctant to give up their hobbies , even in the face of a bad economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch.. this will turn into a big "See?
Piracy is ruining the gaming business" blamefest...  It's easier to blame piracy rather than crappy game design..  Of course, I'm sure the economy is playing a part as well.
Although, from what I've read, people are reluctant to give up their hobbies, even in the face of a bad economy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1316233.28730921</id>
	<title>Re:yeah...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just this week Steam offered a package of old/ancient games for 50 bucks. In the fold things like Bioshock, Prey, CivCity, Railroad Tycoon 2 and 3, the XCom series, Pirates, Civ III and IV and a few more. Each and every single game a gem. An aged gem, granted, but they're still a hell lot of fun and they still provide a lot of enjoyment and entertainment.</p><p>50 bucks bought me about 20 games. At least 10 of them games that I'd prefer over many of the current releases any time, and certainly providing me with more hours of entertainment than any current game I could have bought for those 50 bucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just this week Steam offered a package of old/ancient games for 50 bucks .
In the fold things like Bioshock , Prey , CivCity , Railroad Tycoon 2 and 3 , the XCom series , Pirates , Civ III and IV and a few more .
Each and every single game a gem .
An aged gem , granted , but they 're still a hell lot of fun and they still provide a lot of enjoyment and entertainment.50 bucks bought me about 20 games .
At least 10 of them games that I 'd prefer over many of the current releases any time , and certainly providing me with more hours of entertainment than any current game I could have bought for those 50 bucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just this week Steam offered a package of old/ancient games for 50 bucks.
In the fold things like Bioshock, Prey, CivCity, Railroad Tycoon 2 and 3, the XCom series, Pirates, Civ III and IV and a few more.
Each and every single game a gem.
An aged gem, granted, but they're still a hell lot of fun and they still provide a lot of enjoyment and entertainment.50 bucks bought me about 20 games.
At least 10 of them games that I'd prefer over many of the current releases any time, and certainly providing me with more hours of entertainment than any current game I could have bought for those 50 bucks.</sentencetext>
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