<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_17_0527203</id>
	<title>Australian Police Plan Wardriving Mission</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247821200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>bfire writes <i>"Police officers in the Australian state of Queensland plan to conduct  a 'wardriving' mission around select towns in an <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/150387,queensland-police-plans-wardriving-mission.aspx">effort to educate citizens to secure their wireless networks</a>. When unsecured networks are found, the Police will pay a friendly visit to the household or small business, informing them of the risks they are exposing themselves to. Officers also hope to return to surveyed areas within a month to see if users have fixed their security settings. The idea is modeled on another campaign where officers walk around railway stations checking cars have been locked, and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>bfire writes " Police officers in the Australian state of Queensland plan to conduct a 'wardriving ' mission around select towns in an effort to educate citizens to secure their wireless networks .
When unsecured networks are found , the Police will pay a friendly visit to the household or small business , informing them of the risks they are exposing themselves to .
Officers also hope to return to surveyed areas within a month to see if users have fixed their security settings .
The idea is modeled on another campaign where officers walk around railway stations checking cars have been locked , and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured .
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<sentencetext>bfire writes "Police officers in the Australian state of Queensland plan to conduct  a 'wardriving' mission around select towns in an effort to educate citizens to secure their wireless networks.
When unsecured networks are found, the Police will pay a friendly visit to the household or small business, informing them of the risks they are exposing themselves to.
Officers also hope to return to surveyed areas within a month to see if users have fixed their security settings.
The idea is modeled on another campaign where officers walk around railway stations checking cars have been locked, and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727267</id>
	<title>Stop being a nutjob and get a hold of yourself!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247827080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me.  What are they implying, that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable?</p></div><p>It is not a threat. It is a fact. If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it, you could be really screwed. In most cases it would probably not be enough to prove that you did the crime and get you a sentence in court but it could still land you a lot of trouble. And it could be used maliciously: Let's say that a co-worker that likes neither you or your boss comes to use your WLAN to harass your boss?</p><p>There are risks in having an open WLAN. Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime, some are about how other people can commit crimes against you. It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?</p></div><p>Then they say "Okay." and go to the next apartment. This isn't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN, it is about educating that "Hey, your WLAN is open. Are you aware of the risks?" Because honestly, there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them, doesn't know how to do it or doesn't even know that it should be done. I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Quite frankly it doesn't seem to be the homeowner's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime,</p></div><p>Same can be said about locking your apartment's door. It isn't a homeowners job, right?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug, if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth.</p></div><p>In some cases the crime can cause a lot more. Perhaps the cops should visit you?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.</p></div><p>Wait, what? Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people shouldn't do. It certainly isn't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me .
What are they implying , that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to /b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable ? It is not a threat .
It is a fact .
If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it , you could be really screwed .
In most cases it would probably not be enough to prove that you did the crime and get you a sentence in court but it could still land you a lot of trouble .
And it could be used maliciously : Let 's say that a co-worker that likes neither you or your boss comes to use your WLAN to harass your boss ? There are risks in having an open WLAN .
Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime , some are about how other people can commit crimes against you .
It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.What if you \ _like \ _ having an open access port , and do n't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email ? Then they say " Okay .
" and go to the next apartment .
This is n't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN , it is about educating that " Hey , your WLAN is open .
Are you aware of the risks ?
" Because honestly , there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them , does n't know how to do it or does n't even know that it should be done .
I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.Quite frankly it does n't seem to be the homeowner 's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime,Same can be said about locking your apartment 's door .
It is n't a homeowners job , right ? especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug , if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth.In some cases the crime can cause a lot more .
Perhaps the cops should visit you ? Come to think about it , it 's not the cops job to prevent crime either.Wait , what ?
Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people should n't do .
It certainly is n't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me.
What are they implying, that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to /b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable?It is not a threat.
It is a fact.
If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it, you could be really screwed.
In most cases it would probably not be enough to prove that you did the crime and get you a sentence in court but it could still land you a lot of trouble.
And it could be used maliciously: Let's say that a co-worker that likes neither you or your boss comes to use your WLAN to harass your boss?There are risks in having an open WLAN.
Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime, some are about how other people can commit crimes against you.
It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?Then they say "Okay.
" and go to the next apartment.
This isn't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN, it is about educating that "Hey, your WLAN is open.
Are you aware of the risks?
" Because honestly, there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them, doesn't know how to do it or doesn't even know that it should be done.
I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.Quite frankly it doesn't seem to be the homeowner's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime,Same can be said about locking your apartment's door.
It isn't a homeowners job, right?especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug, if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth.In some cases the crime can cause a lot more.
Perhaps the cops should visit you?Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.Wait, what?
Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people shouldn't do.
It certainly isn't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727651</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't you know that the evil predators can actually ABDUCT INNOCENT CHILDREN THROUGH UNSECURED WIRELESS?  Every time the police shut down an unsecured access point they're literally preventing billions of rapes and murders.  The only people who could possibly be against this idea are probably the predators who make torture porn of little girls.  God bless these valiant crime fighters who are making the world safe one W.A.P. at a time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you know that the evil predators can actually ABDUCT INNOCENT CHILDREN THROUGH UNSECURED WIRELESS ?
Every time the police shut down an unsecured access point they 're literally preventing billions of rapes and murders .
The only people who could possibly be against this idea are probably the predators who make torture porn of little girls .
God bless these valiant crime fighters who are making the world safe one W.A.P .
at a time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you know that the evil predators can actually ABDUCT INNOCENT CHILDREN THROUGH UNSECURED WIRELESS?
Every time the police shut down an unsecured access point they're literally preventing billions of rapes and murders.
The only people who could possibly be against this idea are probably the predators who make torture porn of little girls.
God bless these valiant crime fighters who are making the world safe one W.A.P.
at a time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727129</id>
	<title>Seems like a nice initiative to me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like this: I don't think this is intruding at all, and is indeed something that most people don't realise the consequences of. Making people aware of something is never bad in my opinion.<br> <br>
I also hope there's room for people who, after being warned, are also free to note that they leave it open on purpose (and as such, won't get a second visit): I like my free hotspots!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like this : I do n't think this is intruding at all , and is indeed something that most people do n't realise the consequences of .
Making people aware of something is never bad in my opinion .
I also hope there 's room for people who , after being warned , are also free to note that they leave it open on purpose ( and as such , wo n't get a second visit ) : I like my free hotspots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like this: I don't think this is intruding at all, and is indeed something that most people don't realise the consequences of.
Making people aware of something is never bad in my opinion.
I also hope there's room for people who, after being warned, are also free to note that they leave it open on purpose (and as such, won't get a second visit): I like my free hotspots!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28739031</id>
	<title>Re:Stop being a nutjob and get a hold of yourself!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247907960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?</p><p>&gt;Then they say "Okay." and go to the next apartment. This isn't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN, it is about educating that "Hey, your<br>&gt;WLAN is open. Are you aware of the risks?" Because honestly, there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them,<br>&gt; doesn't know how to do it or doesn't even know that it should be done. I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.</p><p>Well that's all well and good, except the next apartment might have been "educated" by the cops too.  In Japan, we have the opposite problem.  Most wifi routers are shipped with long random default passwords.  Then there is a sticker or paper with it that has the password.  The owner enters it into his PC and forgets about it.  3 years later when he buys a new PC... "uhm... wth is the password".  Likewise, when you visit their house "Oh, you can use my WiFi..", followed by "Oh it's protected? I forgot... the password is.. uhm.. I don't know... ".  Of you can't even use the wifi of people you know OFFERING to share it with you, it's hard to use a random one from someone you don't know....  And it's not like it's because they decided to lock people out from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; What if you \ _like \ _ having an open access port , and do n't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email ? &gt; Then they say " Okay .
" and go to the next apartment .
This is n't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN , it is about educating that " Hey , your &gt; WLAN is open .
Are you aware of the risks ?
" Because honestly , there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them , &gt; does n't know how to do it or does n't even know that it should be done .
I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.Well that 's all well and good , except the next apartment might have been " educated " by the cops too .
In Japan , we have the opposite problem .
Most wifi routers are shipped with long random default passwords .
Then there is a sticker or paper with it that has the password .
The owner enters it into his PC and forgets about it .
3 years later when he buys a new PC... " uhm... wth is the password " .
Likewise , when you visit their house " Oh , you can use my WiFi.. " , followed by " Oh it 's protected ?
I forgot... the password is.. uhm.. I do n't know... " . Of you ca n't even use the wifi of people you know OFFERING to share it with you , it 's hard to use a random one from someone you do n't know.... And it 's not like it 's because they decided to lock people out from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?&gt;Then they say "Okay.
" and go to the next apartment.
This isn't about them coming to force you protect your WLAN, it is about educating that "Hey, your&gt;WLAN is open.
Are you aware of the risks?
" Because honestly, there are a lot of WLANs that are open because their owner has forgotten to protect them,&gt; doesn't know how to do it or doesn't even know that it should be done.
I would guess that these even outnumber those who leave it open intentionally.Well that's all well and good, except the next apartment might have been "educated" by the cops too.
In Japan, we have the opposite problem.
Most wifi routers are shipped with long random default passwords.
Then there is a sticker or paper with it that has the password.
The owner enters it into his PC and forgets about it.
3 years later when he buys a new PC... "uhm... wth is the password".
Likewise, when you visit their house "Oh, you can use my WiFi..", followed by "Oh it's protected?
I forgot... the password is.. uhm.. I don't know... ".  Of you can't even use the wifi of people you know OFFERING to share it with you, it's hard to use a random one from someone you don't know....  And it's not like it's because they decided to lock people out from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728293</id>
	<title>Re:A waste of Tax Money</title>
	<author>ionix5891</author>
	<datestamp>1247838480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thank you but I like my networks unsecured you insensitive clod</p><p>
&nbsp; now get of my lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thank you but I like my networks unsecured you insensitive clod   now get of my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thank you but I like my networks unsecured you insensitive clod
  now get of my lawn!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727281</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727331</id>
	<title>QLD....</title>
	<author>BiGH-Aus</author>
	<datestamp>1247827860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess not very much is going on in the state of Queensland.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess not very much is going on in the state of Queensland.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess not very much is going on in the state of Queensland.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727171</id>
	<title>Knock, knock...</title>
	<author>ekran</author>
	<datestamp>1247825760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, there are a lot of strange ways this could play out:</p><p>[ knock, knock ]<br>-Do you have the WLAN with the SSID MonkeyTails?<br>-The what, Sir?<br>-Wireless Network?<br>-Oh, for the computer Internet? No, I think ours is called captaincrook.<br>-Okay, that one is safe.<br>-Safe?<br>-Yeah, we are driving around checking for insecure WLANs. Do you know who MonkeyTails are?<br>-I think it's my neighbour.<br>-Ok, thank you.<br>[ knock, knock ]<br>- Hello.<br>- Hello, are you the owner of the WLAN MonkeyTails?<br>- Yes?<br>- It's insecure.<br>- I know.<br>- Well, you should secure it.<br>- No, I don't want to secure it.<br>- You should secure it or pedophiles could use it.<br>- It is an old router that doesn't support encryption.<br>- Well, let us know if you see any pedophiles.<br>- Bye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , there are a lot of strange ways this could play out : [ knock , knock ] -Do you have the WLAN with the SSID MonkeyTails ? -The what , Sir ? -Wireless Network ? -Oh , for the computer Internet ?
No , I think ours is called captaincrook.-Okay , that one is safe.-Safe ? -Yeah , we are driving around checking for insecure WLANs .
Do you know who MonkeyTails are ? -I think it 's my neighbour.-Ok , thank you .
[ knock , knock ] - Hello.- Hello , are you the owner of the WLAN MonkeyTails ? - Yes ? - It 's insecure.- I know.- Well , you should secure it.- No , I do n't want to secure it.- You should secure it or pedophiles could use it.- It is an old router that does n't support encryption.- Well , let us know if you see any pedophiles.- Bye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, there are a lot of strange ways this could play out:[ knock, knock ]-Do you have the WLAN with the SSID MonkeyTails?-The what, Sir?-Wireless Network?-Oh, for the computer Internet?
No, I think ours is called captaincrook.-Okay, that one is safe.-Safe?-Yeah, we are driving around checking for insecure WLANs.
Do you know who MonkeyTails are?-I think it's my neighbour.-Ok, thank you.
[ knock, knock ]- Hello.- Hello, are you the owner of the WLAN MonkeyTails?- Yes?- It's insecure.- I know.- Well, you should secure it.- No, I don't want to secure it.- You should secure it or pedophiles could use it.- It is an old router that doesn't support encryption.- Well, let us know if you see any pedophiles.- Bye.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732979</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1247858880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same deal with my convertible.  After the top got slashed, I just stopped putting the top up when I parked.  The only thing of value in the passenger compartment was the stereo, and that cost less than my insurance deductible.  I still locked to the doors to activate the alarm, since that also triggered if the trunk or hood were opened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same deal with my convertible .
After the top got slashed , I just stopped putting the top up when I parked .
The only thing of value in the passenger compartment was the stereo , and that cost less than my insurance deductible .
I still locked to the doors to activate the alarm , since that also triggered if the trunk or hood were opened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same deal with my convertible.
After the top got slashed, I just stopped putting the top up when I parked.
The only thing of value in the passenger compartment was the stereo, and that cost less than my insurance deductible.
I still locked to the doors to activate the alarm, since that also triggered if the trunk or hood were opened.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28738765</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah I mean if the cops open your car without permission, locked or not, aren't THEY breaking the law?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah I mean if the cops open your car without permission , locked or not , are n't THEY breaking the law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah I mean if the cops open your car without permission, locked or not, aren't THEY breaking the law?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728067</id>
	<title>Leaving notes?</title>
	<author>gencha</author>
	<datestamp>1247837040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, they leave notes on the unlocked cars? Are they like bright red, placed on the windshield and say "This car is unlocked! Please don't steal it!"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they leave notes on the unlocked cars ?
Are they like bright red , placed on the windshield and say " This car is unlocked !
Please do n't steal it !
" ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they leave notes on the unlocked cars?
Are they like bright red, placed on the windshield and say "This car is unlocked!
Please don't steal it!
"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727775</id>
	<title>mynuts won, from unreadably 'hidden' to deleted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247833980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just another step towards your 'reward' robbIE. so long, &amp; gooed luck to you, even though that won't help a bit in how you're remembered/disposed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just another step towards your 'reward ' robbIE .
so long , &amp; gooed luck to you , even though that wo n't help a bit in how you 're remembered/disposed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just another step towards your 'reward' robbIE.
so long, &amp; gooed luck to you, even though that won't help a bit in how you're remembered/disposed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727707</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"? - being stung by crap ISPs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What risks are they exposing themselves to? Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content? How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?</p></div><p>They run the risk of a huge bill from some of the crap ISPs in Australia.</p><p>My parents' <i>had</i> a subscription that gave them a "whopping" 200MB (yes, that's all) per month and after that, they got charged 15c per MB!  Suffice to say, anyone with an open wireless router and a crap plan like that could be facing a huge bill.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What risks are they exposing themselves to ?
Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content ?
How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house ? They run the risk of a huge bill from some of the crap ISPs in Australia.My parents ' had a subscription that gave them a " whopping " 200MB ( yes , that 's all ) per month and after that , they got charged 15c per MB !
Suffice to say , anyone with an open wireless router and a crap plan like that could be facing a huge bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What risks are they exposing themselves to?
Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content?
How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?They run the risk of a huge bill from some of the crap ISPs in Australia.My parents' had a subscription that gave them a "whopping" 200MB (yes, that's all) per month and after that, they got charged 15c per MB!
Suffice to say, anyone with an open wireless router and a crap plan like that could be facing a huge bill.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1247826060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...</p><p>A friend of mine got hit by this, he had an old car which used 2 keys - one to open the door, and one to start the engine... He had lost the door key, but still had the engine one, so he simply left the car unlocked. Being an old, rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen, and he never left anything in it worth stealing either. It wasn't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...A friend of mine got hit by this , he had an old car which used 2 keys - one to open the door , and one to start the engine... He had lost the door key , but still had the engine one , so he simply left the car unlocked .
Being an old , rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen , and he never left anything in it worth stealing either .
It was n't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...A friend of mine got hit by this, he had an old car which used 2 keys - one to open the door, and one to start the engine... He had lost the door key, but still had the engine one, so he simply left the car unlocked.
Being an old, rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen, and he never left anything in it worth stealing either.
It wasn't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28734565</id>
	<title>Re:If I did this, I'd be arrested..</title>
	<author>raju1kabir</author>
	<datestamp>1247822940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be fair, if you did it, 99 times out of 100, they'd say "thank you very much" and that would be the end of it. If, on the other hand, you were that unlucky 1 in 100, it would make the front page of Slashdot. Then a million little nerds would see it and spend the rest of the day posting righteously indignant responses, instead of doing their statistics homework, and they would never learn the difference between hearing a lot about something, and that thing actually being common.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , if you did it , 99 times out of 100 , they 'd say " thank you very much " and that would be the end of it .
If , on the other hand , you were that unlucky 1 in 100 , it would make the front page of Slashdot .
Then a million little nerds would see it and spend the rest of the day posting righteously indignant responses , instead of doing their statistics homework , and they would never learn the difference between hearing a lot about something , and that thing actually being common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, if you did it, 99 times out of 100, they'd say "thank you very much" and that would be the end of it.
If, on the other hand, you were that unlucky 1 in 100, it would make the front page of Slashdot.
Then a million little nerds would see it and spend the rest of the day posting righteously indignant responses, instead of doing their statistics homework, and they would never learn the difference between hearing a lot about something, and that thing actually being common.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727185</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730319</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>raju1kabir</author>
	<datestamp>1247847540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's to stop you from dressing up like a cop and tasering every old grandmother you see?

</p><p>It's illegal to impersonate a cop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's to stop you from dressing up like a cop and tasering every old grandmother you see ?
It 's illegal to impersonate a cop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's to stop you from dressing up like a cop and tasering every old grandmother you see?
It's illegal to impersonate a cop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727281</id>
	<title>A waste of Tax Money</title>
	<author>metrix007</author>
	<datestamp>1247827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand why the Police are doing this, and I think it is a good move. Yes, I am an Australian, and a QLD'er.</p><p>This will let people know who truly do not, and can prevent crimes such as identity theft, downloading illegal stuff etc.</p><p>For the record, operating an insecure wifi AP is not illegal, this is just a helpful initiative.</p><p>The thing is, it is 2009. For the last 5 years at least, most AP's have security enabled by default, or at least as a mandatory step of the setup.</p><p>At the very least, there will be a warning that will be hard to miss.</p><p>For the last 5 years or so, information on this has been forthcoming to people who are not overly technical via:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * TV shows, non technical like 60 minutes or a talk show<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Magazines, including many of which are non tech magazines<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Various websites, including many non tech websites, such as MSN<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Your operating system, such as Windows, OS X or Ubuntu giving you warnings<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * User guides or manuals in very, very, simple to understand language<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Warning stickers on the box or device<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Probably quite a few other avenues as well</p><p>There is very little reason to not be aware of the risks of running an insecure network. All too often it is a case of stupidity, as people do this for the sake of convenience. Nothing is going to change these peoples minds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand why the Police are doing this , and I think it is a good move .
Yes , I am an Australian , and a QLD'er.This will let people know who truly do not , and can prevent crimes such as identity theft , downloading illegal stuff etc.For the record , operating an insecure wifi AP is not illegal , this is just a helpful initiative.The thing is , it is 2009 .
For the last 5 years at least , most AP 's have security enabled by default , or at least as a mandatory step of the setup.At the very least , there will be a warning that will be hard to miss.For the last 5 years or so , information on this has been forthcoming to people who are not overly technical via :         * TV shows , non technical like 60 minutes or a talk show         * Magazines , including many of which are non tech magazines         * Various websites , including many non tech websites , such as MSN         * Your operating system , such as Windows , OS X or Ubuntu giving you warnings         * User guides or manuals in very , very , simple to understand language         * Warning stickers on the box or device         * Probably quite a few other avenues as wellThere is very little reason to not be aware of the risks of running an insecure network .
All too often it is a case of stupidity , as people do this for the sake of convenience .
Nothing is going to change these peoples minds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand why the Police are doing this, and I think it is a good move.
Yes, I am an Australian, and a QLD'er.This will let people know who truly do not, and can prevent crimes such as identity theft, downloading illegal stuff etc.For the record, operating an insecure wifi AP is not illegal, this is just a helpful initiative.The thing is, it is 2009.
For the last 5 years at least, most AP's have security enabled by default, or at least as a mandatory step of the setup.At the very least, there will be a warning that will be hard to miss.For the last 5 years or so, information on this has been forthcoming to people who are not overly technical via:
        * TV shows, non technical like 60 minutes or a talk show
        * Magazines, including many of which are non tech magazines
        * Various websites, including many non tech websites, such as MSN
        * Your operating system, such as Windows, OS X or Ubuntu giving you warnings
        * User guides or manuals in very, very, simple to understand language
        * Warning stickers on the box or device
        * Probably quite a few other avenues as wellThere is very little reason to not be aware of the risks of running an insecure network.
All too often it is a case of stupidity, as people do this for the sake of convenience.
Nothing is going to change these peoples minds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728163</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247837700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.</p></div><p>I guess that's a good idea, assuming you're not doing bong hits when they knock on the door.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business , more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.I guess that 's a good idea , assuming you 're not doing bong hits when they knock on the door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.I guess that's a good idea, assuming you're not doing bong hits when they knock on the door.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727157</id>
	<title>Mac address</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The police maybe able to see my wireless network as unsecured, but unless their mac address is in my router they have no chance of connecting to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The police maybe able to see my wireless network as unsecured , but unless their mac address is in my router they have no chance of connecting to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The police maybe able to see my wireless network as unsecured, but unless their mac address is in my router they have no chance of connecting to it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732413</id>
	<title>Re:Stop being a nutjob and get a hold of yourself!</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1247856360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  It is a fact. If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it, you could be really screwed.</p></div><p>Certainly you need actual incidents to establish something as a "fact". <br> <br>The police do not give a shit about common internet crimes, and they certainly don't give a shit about preventing any crime. This is just a security theater "cyber-initiative" that allows them to pretend to be doing something for their paychecks, though it might have the side-benefit of eliminating anonymity which can be a real nuisance when there is an actual or manufactured crime that needs to be assigned a criminal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a fact .
If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it , you could be really screwed.Certainly you need actual incidents to establish something as a " fact " .
The police do not give a shit about common internet crimes , and they certainly do n't give a shit about preventing any crime .
This is just a security theater " cyber-initiative " that allows them to pretend to be doing something for their paychecks , though it might have the side-benefit of eliminating anonymity which can be a real nuisance when there is an actual or manufactured crime that needs to be assigned a criminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  It is a fact.
If your WLAN is left open and someone commits crimes through it, you could be really screwed.Certainly you need actual incidents to establish something as a "fact".
The police do not give a shit about common internet crimes, and they certainly don't give a shit about preventing any crime.
This is just a security theater "cyber-initiative" that allows them to pretend to be doing something for their paychecks, though it might have the side-benefit of eliminating anonymity which can be a real nuisance when there is an actual or manufactured crime that needs to be assigned a criminal.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730387</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, see, there's \_laws\_ against that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , see , there 's \ _laws \ _ against that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, see, there's \_laws\_ against that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727489</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1247829780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes, things like that are dirty, yes.</p><p>Sometimes, they're just the result of some actual cop doing some actual thinking and coming up with the idea that driving around and warning people that their car is unlocked or their WLAN open may cost X, while the police actions resulting from these problems will cost Y, and X prevent crime instead of always going after the culprits <b>after</b> something bad has already happened. It's not a very pleasing job, that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes , things like that are dirty , yes.Sometimes , they 're just the result of some actual cop doing some actual thinking and coming up with the idea that driving around and warning people that their car is unlocked or their WLAN open may cost X , while the police actions resulting from these problems will cost Y , and X prevent crime instead of always going after the culprits after something bad has already happened .
It 's not a very pleasing job , that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes, things like that are dirty, yes.Sometimes, they're just the result of some actual cop doing some actual thinking and coming up with the idea that driving around and warning people that their car is unlocked or their WLAN open may cost X, while the police actions resulting from these problems will cost Y, and X prevent crime instead of always going after the culprits after something bad has already happened.
It's not a very pleasing job, that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730129</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247846820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The risk is that uninformed users may have insecure computers. An attacker that joins the can attack those computers (or simply pull everything from the public shared folders...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The risk is that uninformed users may have insecure computers .
An attacker that joins the can attack those computers ( or simply pull everything from the public shared folders... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The risk is that uninformed users may have insecure computers.
An attacker that joins the can attack those computers (or simply pull everything from the public shared folders...).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728455</id>
	<title>They are so far behind it's comic!!</title>
	<author>DNX Blandy</author>
	<datestamp>1247839440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Un-secured wireless networks are a problem but so are WEP encrypted networks, they can easily be cracked using the likes of BackTrack 3. WPA and WPA2 encryption is a "bit" better but can also be cracked using either brute-force of dictionary based attacked after a target client has been "force" to re-authenticate via packet de-auth. WEP is a no no and with WPA, you need to use a strong password, nothing obvious<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Un-secured wireless networks are a problem but so are WEP encrypted networks , they can easily be cracked using the likes of BackTrack 3 .
WPA and WPA2 encryption is a " bit " better but can also be cracked using either brute-force of dictionary based attacked after a target client has been " force " to re-authenticate via packet de-auth .
WEP is a no no and with WPA , you need to use a strong password , nothing obvious ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Un-secured wireless networks are a problem but so are WEP encrypted networks, they can easily be cracked using the likes of BackTrack 3.
WPA and WPA2 encryption is a "bit" better but can also be cracked using either brute-force of dictionary based attacked after a target client has been "force" to re-authenticate via packet de-auth.
WEP is a no no and with WPA, you need to use a strong password, nothing obvious ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728797</id>
	<title>I come from a small town</title>
	<author>Trailer Trash</author>
	<datestamp>1247841180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every night at about 2AM, an officer would walk down main street, not sure how far as it was about 2 miles through town, but I'd see him out there checking the doors of each business as he walked.  I don't see how this is so different.  It's actually nice, for me, to see police proactively trying to help people rather than abusing minorities and poor people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every night at about 2AM , an officer would walk down main street , not sure how far as it was about 2 miles through town , but I 'd see him out there checking the doors of each business as he walked .
I do n't see how this is so different .
It 's actually nice , for me , to see police proactively trying to help people rather than abusing minorities and poor people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every night at about 2AM, an officer would walk down main street, not sure how far as it was about 2 miles through town, but I'd see him out there checking the doors of each business as he walked.
I don't see how this is so different.
It's actually nice, for me, to see police proactively trying to help people rather than abusing minorities and poor people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732277</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...the law against impersonating a police officer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the law against impersonating a police officer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the law against impersonating a police officer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728465</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247839560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, well, what's stopping a cop from dressing up as a thief, and then wandering around smashing car windows or punching out door locks like thieves do?  Oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , well , what 's stopping a cop from dressing up as a thief , and then wandering around smashing car windows or punching out door locks like thieves do ?
Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, well, what's stopping a cop from dressing up as a thief, and then wandering around smashing car windows or punching out door locks like thieves do?
Oh wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727757</id>
	<title>Re:Knock, knock...</title>
	<author>ozbird</author>
	<datestamp>1247833800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Change your SSID to "DontTazeMeBro" - it's safer that way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Change your SSID to " DontTazeMeBro " - it 's safer that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change your SSID to "DontTazeMeBro" - it's safer that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729877</id>
	<title>Data  charges in AU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247845680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theres a lot of uninformed posts here, dare i say the majority of posts so far. Obviously most of them are not from people who live in australia and most are not familiar with the dominant ISPs data charges.</p><p>Exibit A: http://www.bigpond.com/internet/plans/cable/plans-and-offers/</p><p>Read the fine print and you will notice the data charges for exceeding your quota. Work it out per GB and its $150 per GB. Sadly the most common users on such internet plans are mum and dads who don't know better.</p><p>Now imagine someone "wardriving" finding your AP and casually downloading a 8GB bluray rip of some sort from usenet or torrent. thats quite a hefty internet bill. Don't doubt that someone could downlaod sometihng so large in such little time - the cable connections from this ISP is 30mbit/sec and not overloaded in the slightest. With 400MB of quota on a 30mbit connection, surely you can see the dangers here. The big ISPs are getting away with it.</p><p>The police are doing people a favor. There is no sinister conspiracy behind it all. They just don't care about busting you for what you are doing on your internet connection. If they wanted to bust you they would sit there and sniff your traffic and move on if they found nothing. They don't need to knock on your door and warn you of anything if they intended on busting you. They would simply knock and tell you to go with them to the station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theres a lot of uninformed posts here , dare i say the majority of posts so far .
Obviously most of them are not from people who live in australia and most are not familiar with the dominant ISPs data charges.Exibit A : http : //www.bigpond.com/internet/plans/cable/plans-and-offers/Read the fine print and you will notice the data charges for exceeding your quota .
Work it out per GB and its $ 150 per GB .
Sadly the most common users on such internet plans are mum and dads who do n't know better.Now imagine someone " wardriving " finding your AP and casually downloading a 8GB bluray rip of some sort from usenet or torrent .
thats quite a hefty internet bill .
Do n't doubt that someone could downlaod sometihng so large in such little time - the cable connections from this ISP is 30mbit/sec and not overloaded in the slightest .
With 400MB of quota on a 30mbit connection , surely you can see the dangers here .
The big ISPs are getting away with it.The police are doing people a favor .
There is no sinister conspiracy behind it all .
They just do n't care about busting you for what you are doing on your internet connection .
If they wanted to bust you they would sit there and sniff your traffic and move on if they found nothing .
They do n't need to knock on your door and warn you of anything if they intended on busting you .
They would simply knock and tell you to go with them to the station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theres a lot of uninformed posts here, dare i say the majority of posts so far.
Obviously most of them are not from people who live in australia and most are not familiar with the dominant ISPs data charges.Exibit A: http://www.bigpond.com/internet/plans/cable/plans-and-offers/Read the fine print and you will notice the data charges for exceeding your quota.
Work it out per GB and its $150 per GB.
Sadly the most common users on such internet plans are mum and dads who don't know better.Now imagine someone "wardriving" finding your AP and casually downloading a 8GB bluray rip of some sort from usenet or torrent.
thats quite a hefty internet bill.
Don't doubt that someone could downlaod sometihng so large in such little time - the cable connections from this ISP is 30mbit/sec and not overloaded in the slightest.
With 400MB of quota on a 30mbit connection, surely you can see the dangers here.
The big ISPs are getting away with it.The police are doing people a favor.
There is no sinister conspiracy behind it all.
They just don't care about busting you for what you are doing on your internet connection.
If they wanted to bust you they would sit there and sniff your traffic and move on if they found nothing.
They don't need to knock on your door and warn you of anything if they intended on busting you.
They would simply knock and tell you to go with them to the station.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28735007</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1247824920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember....Nannies KRudd &amp; Bligh know what's best for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember....Nannies KRudd &amp; Bligh know what 's best for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember....Nannies KRudd &amp; Bligh know what's best for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28733311</id>
	<title>Re:Stop being a nutjob and get a hold of yourself!</title>
	<author>davidsyes</author>
	<datestamp>1247860560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Wait, what? Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people shouldn't do. It certainly isn't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done."</p><p>Reminds me of Guns &amp; Talks:</p><p><a href="http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/guns\_and\_talks.htm" title="lovehkfilm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/guns\_and\_talks.htm</a> [lovehkfilm.com]</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns\_&amp;\_Talks" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns\_&amp;\_Talks</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>In one scene, a pregnant woman asks a visiting detective to ask her cheating husband to not harm her or her fetus. The detective replied, "Lady, we don't ASK criminals not to commit crime. We CATCH them."  hehehe</p><p>-------</p><p>As for the people advocating leaving their ports open, I think it is nice that people are being friendly and all, but, it's not even just protecting the router owner from being abused. Some people obviously leave their routers open just to vacuum up information that isn't their damned business nor right to do so. Modern day digital peeping toms. Obviously, the police can't (or won't) just come right out and say they have (well-founded) suspicious that people are brokering information or just peeping.</p><p>And, let's not forget that the ISPs would LOVE to have everyone subscribed singly/individually by household. Someday, i bet, they'll want it down to the individual. All someone or some industry company has to do is cause the government to issue everyone a device, but compel the use of it as their only sanctioned means of non-work broadband communication. Such a move would probably be more controversial than getting rid of paper/cash in favor of trackable digital transactions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Wait , what ?
Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people should n't do .
It certainly is n't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done .
" Reminds me of Guns &amp; Talks : http : //www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/guns \ _and \ _talks.htm [ lovehkfilm.com ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns \ _&amp; \ _Talks [ wikipedia.org ] In one scene , a pregnant woman asks a visiting detective to ask her cheating husband to not harm her or her fetus .
The detective replied , " Lady , we do n't ASK criminals not to commit crime .
We CATCH them .
" hehehe-------As for the people advocating leaving their ports open , I think it is nice that people are being friendly and all , but , it 's not even just protecting the router owner from being abused .
Some people obviously leave their routers open just to vacuum up information that is n't their damned business nor right to do so .
Modern day digital peeping toms .
Obviously , the police ca n't ( or wo n't ) just come right out and say they have ( well-founded ) suspicious that people are brokering information or just peeping.And , let 's not forget that the ISPs would LOVE to have everyone subscribed singly/individually by household .
Someday , i bet , they 'll want it down to the individual .
All someone or some industry company has to do is cause the government to issue everyone a device , but compel the use of it as their only sanctioned means of non-work broadband communication .
Such a move would probably be more controversial than getting rid of paper/cash in favor of trackable digital transactions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Wait, what?
Police is supposed to execute the laws which tell what people shouldn't do.
It certainly isn't limited to investigating the wrongs that people have already done.
"Reminds me of Guns &amp; Talks:http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/guns\_and\_talks.htm [lovehkfilm.com]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns\_&amp;\_Talks [wikipedia.org]In one scene, a pregnant woman asks a visiting detective to ask her cheating husband to not harm her or her fetus.
The detective replied, "Lady, we don't ASK criminals not to commit crime.
We CATCH them.
"  hehehe-------As for the people advocating leaving their ports open, I think it is nice that people are being friendly and all, but, it's not even just protecting the router owner from being abused.
Some people obviously leave their routers open just to vacuum up information that isn't their damned business nor right to do so.
Modern day digital peeping toms.
Obviously, the police can't (or won't) just come right out and say they have (well-founded) suspicious that people are brokering information or just peeping.And, let's not forget that the ISPs would LOVE to have everyone subscribed singly/individually by household.
Someday, i bet, they'll want it down to the individual.
All someone or some industry company has to do is cause the government to issue everyone a device, but compel the use of it as their only sanctioned means of non-work broadband communication.
Such a move would probably be more controversial than getting rid of paper/cash in favor of trackable digital transactions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727571</id>
	<title>Find people who donate to charity too</title>
	<author>ConfusedVorlon</author>
	<datestamp>1247830740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People who donate money to charity will lose that money.<br>People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.</p><p>Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People who donate money to charity will lose that money.People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who donate money to charity will lose that money.People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730501</id>
	<title>Re:Knock, knock...</title>
	<author>somenickname</author>
	<datestamp>1247848260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more likely scenario is:</p><p>[knock, knock]<br>- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys<br>- Yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>[knock, knock]<br>- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys<br>- Yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>[knock, knock]<br>- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys<br>- Yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Repeat several thousands times.  Then replace linksys with dlink and repeat again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more likely scenario is : [ knock , knock ] - Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ... [ knock , knock ] - Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ... [ knock , knock ] - Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ...Repeat several thousands times .
Then replace linksys with dlink and repeat again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more likely scenario is:[knock, knock]- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ...[knock, knock]- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ...[knock, knock]- Are you the owner of the SSID linksys- Yes ...Repeat several thousands times.
Then replace linksys with dlink and repeat again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728589</id>
	<title>Fear</title>
	<author>newdarktimes</author>
	<datestamp>1247840160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe geeks in Oz need to start their own campaign. Knock on doors and educate people why everyone should open their router? I recently visited Australia and was amazed at how hard a time I had finding open access points with my ipod. I didn't have a notebook or 3G phone on me, I was backpacking and trying to keep the weight down. The problem is not much better here at home, in Canada. I live in a neighbourhood of dense housing and can see about 20 wifi networks broadcasting, but mine is the only open one. (I call it KarmaNet.) Most connections to it are iphones, and the occasional neighbour that uses it regularly. In the two years I've had it open and uncapped, I've noticed no change in my overall bandwidth consumption.</p><p>Yes, there is a miniscule chance that someone will use it to do something truly nefarious, like posting kiddie porn. This common argument is very lopsided relative to the amount of good it could do to society as a whole if everyone had an open network, even if most had capped public bandwidth to something relatively small.</p><p>Yes, I know it's against most ISP rules. We should be pushing to have laws that force ISPs to remove this clause from TOS agreements. This should be on the agenda of the growing Pirate Parties of the world. It's something the average person can relate to, even if they have no interest in the copyright issues on the current Pirate Party agendas.</p><p>I know I'm preaching to the choir, and I know slashdotters and generally too complacent to actually go door to door and educate people about this (I know I am). Seriously, though, why not bring the subject up with our non-techy friends (many who now own smartphones or other portable wifi devices and can easily relate to how wonderful it would be to not rely on 3G networks). Get people thinking about this "what if" scenario.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe geeks in Oz need to start their own campaign .
Knock on doors and educate people why everyone should open their router ?
I recently visited Australia and was amazed at how hard a time I had finding open access points with my ipod .
I did n't have a notebook or 3G phone on me , I was backpacking and trying to keep the weight down .
The problem is not much better here at home , in Canada .
I live in a neighbourhood of dense housing and can see about 20 wifi networks broadcasting , but mine is the only open one .
( I call it KarmaNet .
) Most connections to it are iphones , and the occasional neighbour that uses it regularly .
In the two years I 've had it open and uncapped , I 've noticed no change in my overall bandwidth consumption.Yes , there is a miniscule chance that someone will use it to do something truly nefarious , like posting kiddie porn .
This common argument is very lopsided relative to the amount of good it could do to society as a whole if everyone had an open network , even if most had capped public bandwidth to something relatively small.Yes , I know it 's against most ISP rules .
We should be pushing to have laws that force ISPs to remove this clause from TOS agreements .
This should be on the agenda of the growing Pirate Parties of the world .
It 's something the average person can relate to , even if they have no interest in the copyright issues on the current Pirate Party agendas.I know I 'm preaching to the choir , and I know slashdotters and generally too complacent to actually go door to door and educate people about this ( I know I am ) .
Seriously , though , why not bring the subject up with our non-techy friends ( many who now own smartphones or other portable wifi devices and can easily relate to how wonderful it would be to not rely on 3G networks ) .
Get people thinking about this " what if " scenario .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe geeks in Oz need to start their own campaign.
Knock on doors and educate people why everyone should open their router?
I recently visited Australia and was amazed at how hard a time I had finding open access points with my ipod.
I didn't have a notebook or 3G phone on me, I was backpacking and trying to keep the weight down.
The problem is not much better here at home, in Canada.
I live in a neighbourhood of dense housing and can see about 20 wifi networks broadcasting, but mine is the only open one.
(I call it KarmaNet.
) Most connections to it are iphones, and the occasional neighbour that uses it regularly.
In the two years I've had it open and uncapped, I've noticed no change in my overall bandwidth consumption.Yes, there is a miniscule chance that someone will use it to do something truly nefarious, like posting kiddie porn.
This common argument is very lopsided relative to the amount of good it could do to society as a whole if everyone had an open network, even if most had capped public bandwidth to something relatively small.Yes, I know it's against most ISP rules.
We should be pushing to have laws that force ISPs to remove this clause from TOS agreements.
This should be on the agenda of the growing Pirate Parties of the world.
It's something the average person can relate to, even if they have no interest in the copyright issues on the current Pirate Party agendas.I know I'm preaching to the choir, and I know slashdotters and generally too complacent to actually go door to door and educate people about this (I know I am).
Seriously, though, why not bring the subject up with our non-techy friends (many who now own smartphones or other portable wifi devices and can easily relate to how wonderful it would be to not rely on 3G networks).
Get people thinking about this "what if" scenario.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729977</id>
	<title>We're here to help</title>
	<author>passim</author>
	<datestamp>1247846160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The police in Queensland must be different from the ones in the rest of the world or...

This is just an update of the 'shake the tree and see what falls out' approach the police have used for years. A pinch of misdirection and a few claims of "proactive public service' gives them the legal means to knock on any door and do a quick eval of the home or business and occupants.

Hmmm, husband seemed a bit dodgy... you see what the neighbors have to say about him, I'll check myfacetube using his network, har har. Remember, after lunch we need to make a couple actual 'security' calls to keep the quota numbers on track.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."I can assure you the Queensland Police is going to do this.  I'll make sure it gets off the ground." - Detective Superintendent Brian Hay of the Queensland Police.


"You are young, life has been good to you. You will learn" - Sweeny Todd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The police in Queensland must be different from the ones in the rest of the world or.. . This is just an update of the 'shake the tree and see what falls out ' approach the police have used for years .
A pinch of misdirection and a few claims of " proactive public service ' gives them the legal means to knock on any door and do a quick eval of the home or business and occupants .
Hmmm , husband seemed a bit dodgy... you see what the neighbors have to say about him , I 'll check myfacetube using his network , har har .
Remember , after lunch we need to make a couple actual 'security ' calls to keep the quota numbers on track .
... " I can assure you the Queensland Police is going to do this .
I 'll make sure it gets off the ground .
" - Detective Superintendent Brian Hay of the Queensland Police .
" You are young , life has been good to you .
You will learn " - Sweeny Todd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The police in Queensland must be different from the ones in the rest of the world or...

This is just an update of the 'shake the tree and see what falls out' approach the police have used for years.
A pinch of misdirection and a few claims of "proactive public service' gives them the legal means to knock on any door and do a quick eval of the home or business and occupants.
Hmmm, husband seemed a bit dodgy... you see what the neighbors have to say about him, I'll check myfacetube using his network, har har.
Remember, after lunch we need to make a couple actual 'security' calls to keep the quota numbers on track.
..."I can assure you the Queensland Police is going to do this.
I'll make sure it gets off the ground.
" - Detective Superintendent Brian Hay of the Queensland Police.
"You are young, life has been good to you.
You will learn" - Sweeny Todd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</id>
	<title>Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1247825280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians. You know, get to know 'your' local police officer and, establish a more social contact with at least one officer whom you can contact in the event of need. Also it would help to remind officers of what their role really is in assisting the public to maintain a civil and orderly society. </p><p> Of course while it might work in Australia, in the US with pepper spray and taser abuse out of control and with 'public' discussions of the effectiveness, legality and use of torture it would likely have the opposite affect and drive an even  greater wedge between 'law enforcement' and the public.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business , more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians .
You know , get to know 'your ' local police officer and , establish a more social contact with at least one officer whom you can contact in the event of need .
Also it would help to remind officers of what their role really is in assisting the public to maintain a civil and orderly society .
Of course while it might work in Australia , in the US with pepper spray and taser abuse out of control and with 'public ' discussions of the effectiveness , legality and use of torture it would likely have the opposite affect and drive an even greater wedge between 'law enforcement ' and the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.
You know, get to know 'your' local police officer and, establish a more social contact with at least one officer whom you can contact in the event of need.
Also it would help to remind officers of what their role really is in assisting the public to maintain a civil and orderly society.
Of course while it might work in Australia, in the US with pepper spray and taser abuse out of control and with 'public' discussions of the effectiveness, legality and use of torture it would likely have the opposite affect and drive an even  greater wedge between 'law enforcement' and the public.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727139</id>
	<title>Irony</title>
	<author>Starlon</author>
	<datestamp>1247825460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of my internships involved installing free and open wireless access points around my university's small town. I always wondered if another student would be taking them all down in the future. Some things are just too good to be true. Although, I hear some homeless are making use of free access points in their own cities. Why would anyone want to take that away? I'm all for free internet, and enjoyed the internship, but something tells it's just not going to last.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my internships involved installing free and open wireless access points around my university 's small town .
I always wondered if another student would be taking them all down in the future .
Some things are just too good to be true .
Although , I hear some homeless are making use of free access points in their own cities .
Why would anyone want to take that away ?
I 'm all for free internet , and enjoyed the internship , but something tells it 's just not going to last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my internships involved installing free and open wireless access points around my university's small town.
I always wondered if another student would be taking them all down in the future.
Some things are just too good to be true.
Although, I hear some homeless are making use of free access points in their own cities.
Why would anyone want to take that away?
I'm all for free internet, and enjoyed the internship, but something tells it's just not going to last.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730993</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>James Skarzinskas</author>
	<datestamp>1247850360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I spy a thinly veiled allegory for DRM?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I spy a thinly veiled allegory for DRM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I spy a thinly veiled allegory for DRM?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730331</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>please post a photo of your wife</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>please post a photo of your wife</tokentext>
<sentencetext>please post a photo of your wife</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730549</id>
	<title>Re:If I did this, I'd be arrested..</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247848500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, yes. When you get caught in your neighbor's garage, it's tresspassing and you'll get arrested. But it's <a href="http://slashdot.org/~sm62704/journal/193372" title="slashdot.org">ok for the cops to "have a look around" your garage</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p>Link is to one of my old journals about the police "having a look around" my garage on Memorial Day, no less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , yes .
When you get caught in your neighbor 's garage , it 's tresspassing and you 'll get arrested .
But it 's ok for the cops to " have a look around " your garage [ slashdot.org ] .Link is to one of my old journals about the police " having a look around " my garage on Memorial Day , no less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, yes.
When you get caught in your neighbor's garage, it's tresspassing and you'll get arrested.
But it's ok for the cops to "have a look around" your garage [slashdot.org].Link is to one of my old journals about the police "having a look around" my garage on Memorial Day, no less.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729623</id>
	<title>Good Initiative for Businesses</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1247844720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From a business standpoint, this actually makes sense as I'm not a network Guru or even an expert and if I were to get a courtesy visit from the local police informing me that there was an unsecured wireless AP on my network, I'd be thankful because the potential cost damage to me is so high. By Law I'm required to comply with the HIPPA (Health Insurance Privacy Portability Act) as I sometimes deal with health records. Fines for violating this act can range from 1k to 100k per violation and the courts decide what constitutes a violation <b>(usually per day)</b>. That can get damn expensive very quickly and wipe you out financially, which is not a risk I'm willing to take. On a related note, as an SMB (small/medium business) I would like to be informed about something like this as it means someone could be accessing my computers (company systems) for what ever purpose they want. How do I ensure that I don't have someone violating the credit card companies new security standards? as they're not yet auditing at this level and such an audit is damn expensive? What about my web host for my online shop. Who's responsible for that Audit? The software vendor, the host or my web master? Who foots the bill for any break in and resulting investigation?</p><p>From a private citizens standpoint, as a common Joe Sixpack user, I'd also appreciate the police telling me that my router is insecure and if they provide me with a leaflet showing how to secure it (most common models in use) it would actually improve things. Hell they could even include information about how to set channels so that wireless routers don't all try to share the same channel in close proximity. This means better actual performance instead of why can't I connect to my router from the living room when it's in the back bedroom type questions. Of course as Joe Sixpack, I'd also be upset that the police are using this to cite me for any obvious violations that may occur at my home if they were to do so and as an American, it would definitely get them shot at and reviled for invasion of our privacy because they're now fishing for evidence to investigate us for crimes, such as those Marijuana plants growing in my living room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a business standpoint , this actually makes sense as I 'm not a network Guru or even an expert and if I were to get a courtesy visit from the local police informing me that there was an unsecured wireless AP on my network , I 'd be thankful because the potential cost damage to me is so high .
By Law I 'm required to comply with the HIPPA ( Health Insurance Privacy Portability Act ) as I sometimes deal with health records .
Fines for violating this act can range from 1k to 100k per violation and the courts decide what constitutes a violation ( usually per day ) .
That can get damn expensive very quickly and wipe you out financially , which is not a risk I 'm willing to take .
On a related note , as an SMB ( small/medium business ) I would like to be informed about something like this as it means someone could be accessing my computers ( company systems ) for what ever purpose they want .
How do I ensure that I do n't have someone violating the credit card companies new security standards ?
as they 're not yet auditing at this level and such an audit is damn expensive ?
What about my web host for my online shop .
Who 's responsible for that Audit ?
The software vendor , the host or my web master ?
Who foots the bill for any break in and resulting investigation ? From a private citizens standpoint , as a common Joe Sixpack user , I 'd also appreciate the police telling me that my router is insecure and if they provide me with a leaflet showing how to secure it ( most common models in use ) it would actually improve things .
Hell they could even include information about how to set channels so that wireless routers do n't all try to share the same channel in close proximity .
This means better actual performance instead of why ca n't I connect to my router from the living room when it 's in the back bedroom type questions .
Of course as Joe Sixpack , I 'd also be upset that the police are using this to cite me for any obvious violations that may occur at my home if they were to do so and as an American , it would definitely get them shot at and reviled for invasion of our privacy because they 're now fishing for evidence to investigate us for crimes , such as those Marijuana plants growing in my living room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a business standpoint, this actually makes sense as I'm not a network Guru or even an expert and if I were to get a courtesy visit from the local police informing me that there was an unsecured wireless AP on my network, I'd be thankful because the potential cost damage to me is so high.
By Law I'm required to comply with the HIPPA (Health Insurance Privacy Portability Act) as I sometimes deal with health records.
Fines for violating this act can range from 1k to 100k per violation and the courts decide what constitutes a violation (usually per day).
That can get damn expensive very quickly and wipe you out financially, which is not a risk I'm willing to take.
On a related note, as an SMB (small/medium business) I would like to be informed about something like this as it means someone could be accessing my computers (company systems) for what ever purpose they want.
How do I ensure that I don't have someone violating the credit card companies new security standards?
as they're not yet auditing at this level and such an audit is damn expensive?
What about my web host for my online shop.
Who's responsible for that Audit?
The software vendor, the host or my web master?
Who foots the bill for any break in and resulting investigation?From a private citizens standpoint, as a common Joe Sixpack user, I'd also appreciate the police telling me that my router is insecure and if they provide me with a leaflet showing how to secure it (most common models in use) it would actually improve things.
Hell they could even include information about how to set channels so that wireless routers don't all try to share the same channel in close proximity.
This means better actual performance instead of why can't I connect to my router from the living room when it's in the back bedroom type questions.
Of course as Joe Sixpack, I'd also be upset that the police are using this to cite me for any obvious violations that may occur at my home if they were to do so and as an American, it would definitely get them shot at and reviled for invasion of our privacy because they're now fishing for evidence to investigate us for crimes, such as those Marijuana plants growing in my living room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731545</id>
	<title>Lock and Print</title>
	<author>ElBorba</author>
	<datestamp>1247852760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever you find an unlocked wireless signal it's best practice to lock it down for the owner.<br>Sure, this limits their ability to access it, but you can assume they have access to the reset switch.<br>Whenever possible you can access a network print resource and print the password for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever you find an unlocked wireless signal it 's best practice to lock it down for the owner.Sure , this limits their ability to access it , but you can assume they have access to the reset switch.Whenever possible you can access a network print resource and print the password for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever you find an unlocked wireless signal it's best practice to lock it down for the owner.Sure, this limits their ability to access it, but you can assume they have access to the reset switch.Whenever possible you can access a network print resource and print the password for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727203</id>
	<title>Unsecure WiFi is bad for Police, Bad for ISPs</title>
	<author>hughk</author>
	<datestamp>1247826300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that two of the largest organisations hating the sharing of WiFi access are the police, who don't like the fact that unofficial open access points don't log and the ISPs who hate to think that they are losing a potential customer.</p><p>Some years back in London, a chain of winebars (C&amp;B) offered free access for their customers with no fancy tumbling time code or anything (you, know where they print a code that has a limited validity on the till receipt).. A story appeared in one of the papers about how people were able to 'steal WiFi access' showing the 'security consultant' with a laptop in the city of London demonstrating that there was open WiFi. Yep, because they are standing directly outside that Winebar (out of shot). I have stood there myself, as the bar was too noisy, so I could use Skype over WiFi to contact my SO. This is fairly common practice now, but it disrupts the business models of people like Vodafone or commercial WiFi providers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that two of the largest organisations hating the sharing of WiFi access are the police , who do n't like the fact that unofficial open access points do n't log and the ISPs who hate to think that they are losing a potential customer.Some years back in London , a chain of winebars ( C&amp;B ) offered free access for their customers with no fancy tumbling time code or anything ( you , know where they print a code that has a limited validity on the till receipt ) .. A story appeared in one of the papers about how people were able to 'steal WiFi access ' showing the 'security consultant ' with a laptop in the city of London demonstrating that there was open WiFi .
Yep , because they are standing directly outside that Winebar ( out of shot ) .
I have stood there myself , as the bar was too noisy , so I could use Skype over WiFi to contact my SO .
This is fairly common practice now , but it disrupts the business models of people like Vodafone or commercial WiFi providers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that two of the largest organisations hating the sharing of WiFi access are the police, who don't like the fact that unofficial open access points don't log and the ISPs who hate to think that they are losing a potential customer.Some years back in London, a chain of winebars (C&amp;B) offered free access for their customers with no fancy tumbling time code or anything (you, know where they print a code that has a limited validity on the till receipt).. A story appeared in one of the papers about how people were able to 'steal WiFi access' showing the 'security consultant' with a laptop in the city of London demonstrating that there was open WiFi.
Yep, because they are standing directly outside that Winebar (out of shot).
I have stood there myself, as the bar was too noisy, so I could use Skype over WiFi to contact my SO.
This is fairly common practice now, but it disrupts the business models of people like Vodafone or commercial WiFi providers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732419</id>
	<title>Re:I'm stunned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've lived in small towns where locking your car was unnecessary. Get a few of those around an outlying train station, and you're going to get people who forget to lock the car -- it's just not their habit.</p><p>As for significant magnitude, it doesn't take much to make a 'campaign' worthwhile. Only a handful of reports take up police time. Once a previously safe station starts to generate reports, somebody realizes they can minize the problem by just getting the word out. So an officer makes the rounds during a quiet period of the dayshift. It serves the purpose of a visible patrol, and it gets the word out.</p><p>And, not insignificant at all, it gets officers out doing a pleasant public service among the general public. If you trim your police budget to the point where officers only deal with criminals, then you breed the type of officers that treat everybody as criminals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lived in small towns where locking your car was unnecessary .
Get a few of those around an outlying train station , and you 're going to get people who forget to lock the car -- it 's just not their habit.As for significant magnitude , it does n't take much to make a 'campaign ' worthwhile .
Only a handful of reports take up police time .
Once a previously safe station starts to generate reports , somebody realizes they can minize the problem by just getting the word out .
So an officer makes the rounds during a quiet period of the dayshift .
It serves the purpose of a visible patrol , and it gets the word out.And , not insignificant at all , it gets officers out doing a pleasant public service among the general public .
If you trim your police budget to the point where officers only deal with criminals , then you breed the type of officers that treat everybody as criminals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lived in small towns where locking your car was unnecessary.
Get a few of those around an outlying train station, and you're going to get people who forget to lock the car -- it's just not their habit.As for significant magnitude, it doesn't take much to make a 'campaign' worthwhile.
Only a handful of reports take up police time.
Once a previously safe station starts to generate reports, somebody realizes they can minize the problem by just getting the word out.
So an officer makes the rounds during a quiet period of the dayshift.
It serves the purpose of a visible patrol, and it gets the word out.And, not insignificant at all, it gets officers out doing a pleasant public service among the general public.
If you trim your police budget to the point where officers only deal with criminals, then you breed the type of officers that treat everybody as criminals.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727153</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727919</id>
	<title>Re:Knock, knock...</title>
	<author>jamesh</author>
	<datestamp>1247835540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm changing my SSID to 'impugn', so the conversation goes like this<br>[ knock, knock ]<br>- Hello<br>- Hello, are you the owner of the WLAN 'impugn'<br>- Could you spell that please?<br>- I.. M... P...<br>- Ha ha you said you are Pee</p><p>Or maybe change it to "I'm a stupid cop any I have a big butt and my butt smells" (if only SSID's could be that long), and ask them to repeat it several times</p><p>Or redirect everything to tubgirl</p><p>And so on...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm changing my SSID to 'impugn ' , so the conversation goes like this [ knock , knock ] - Hello- Hello , are you the owner of the WLAN 'impugn'- Could you spell that please ? - I.. M... P...- Ha ha you said you are PeeOr maybe change it to " I 'm a stupid cop any I have a big butt and my butt smells " ( if only SSID 's could be that long ) , and ask them to repeat it several timesOr redirect everything to tubgirlAnd so on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm changing my SSID to 'impugn', so the conversation goes like this[ knock, knock ]- Hello- Hello, are you the owner of the WLAN 'impugn'- Could you spell that please?- I.. M... P...- Ha ha you said you are PeeOr maybe change it to "I'm a stupid cop any I have a big butt and my butt smells" (if only SSID's could be that long), and ask them to repeat it several timesOr redirect everything to tubgirlAnd so on...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727171</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730075</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247846640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty heavy penalties for impersonating an officer. Much worse than what you'd get for just breaking into a car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty heavy penalties for impersonating an officer .
Much worse than what you 'd get for just breaking into a car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty heavy penalties for impersonating an officer.
Much worse than what you'd get for just breaking into a car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730141</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Nyvhek</author>
	<datestamp>1247846880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully the risk of running into the real cops doing the job? (I think impersonating a police officer is usually illegal...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully the risk of running into the real cops doing the job ?
( I think impersonating a police officer is usually illegal... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully the risk of running into the real cops doing the job?
(I think impersonating a police officer is usually illegal...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728447</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Jeeeb</author>
	<datestamp>1247839440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know this is Slashdot and this is a story related to police so one can expect little rational thought and a lot of police=evil and state is controlling you posts, but come on, really, you can't imagine what issues might be associated with running (probably unaware) an open wifi network?<br> <br>
Here's a few for you:<br>
1. Windows systems with open file sharing broadcasting themselves across the network. I.e: the typical home computer. Open WiFi network and anyone can login and access your files.<br>
2. Risk of your network being used for nefarious activities. Most people would be horrified of the idea of someone using their internet connection to download child-pornography or to commit fraud. Police are right open wifi access provides a way to anonymise activity that is illegal and should be stopped.<br>
3. This is Australia - almost all internet connections have download limits. On a good plan you just get shaped you for excessive usage. However, on things like beginner plans while you're charged little for the basic plan, there are huge fees for over-usage. These beginner plans often have limits in the range of 400mb-1gb before excess usage fees kick in. So basically, anyone making use of your internet connection could end up costing you a lot.<br>
4. Why the hell should they use your internet connection without your permission? I think most people would be pissed off with the idea of people using their net connection without their permission.<br> <br>
See a little bit of thought and you can see all sorts of reasons why most people would probably care about the fact that they're running an open wifi network and consider it a service to have the risks explained. But this is slashdot, were voices of contempt for authority, especially police, will drown out logical thought -\_-.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is Slashdot and this is a story related to police so one can expect little rational thought and a lot of police = evil and state is controlling you posts , but come on , really , you ca n't imagine what issues might be associated with running ( probably unaware ) an open wifi network ?
Here 's a few for you : 1 .
Windows systems with open file sharing broadcasting themselves across the network .
I.e : the typical home computer .
Open WiFi network and anyone can login and access your files .
2. Risk of your network being used for nefarious activities .
Most people would be horrified of the idea of someone using their internet connection to download child-pornography or to commit fraud .
Police are right open wifi access provides a way to anonymise activity that is illegal and should be stopped .
3. This is Australia - almost all internet connections have download limits .
On a good plan you just get shaped you for excessive usage .
However , on things like beginner plans while you 're charged little for the basic plan , there are huge fees for over-usage .
These beginner plans often have limits in the range of 400mb-1gb before excess usage fees kick in .
So basically , anyone making use of your internet connection could end up costing you a lot .
4. Why the hell should they use your internet connection without your permission ?
I think most people would be pissed off with the idea of people using their net connection without their permission .
See a little bit of thought and you can see all sorts of reasons why most people would probably care about the fact that they 're running an open wifi network and consider it a service to have the risks explained .
But this is slashdot , were voices of contempt for authority , especially police , will drown out logical thought - \ _- .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is Slashdot and this is a story related to police so one can expect little rational thought and a lot of police=evil and state is controlling you posts, but come on, really, you can't imagine what issues might be associated with running (probably unaware) an open wifi network?
Here's a few for you:
1.
Windows systems with open file sharing broadcasting themselves across the network.
I.e: the typical home computer.
Open WiFi network and anyone can login and access your files.
2. Risk of your network being used for nefarious activities.
Most people would be horrified of the idea of someone using their internet connection to download child-pornography or to commit fraud.
Police are right open wifi access provides a way to anonymise activity that is illegal and should be stopped.
3. This is Australia - almost all internet connections have download limits.
On a good plan you just get shaped you for excessive usage.
However, on things like beginner plans while you're charged little for the basic plan, there are huge fees for over-usage.
These beginner plans often have limits in the range of 400mb-1gb before excess usage fees kick in.
So basically, anyone making use of your internet connection could end up costing you a lot.
4. Why the hell should they use your internet connection without your permission?
I think most people would be pissed off with the idea of people using their net connection without their permission.
See a little bit of thought and you can see all sorts of reasons why most people would probably care about the fact that they're running an open wifi network and consider it a service to have the risks explained.
But this is slashdot, were voices of contempt for authority, especially police, will drown out logical thought -\_-.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727781</id>
	<title>Just me?</title>
	<author>FreakyGreenLeaky</author>
	<datestamp>1247834160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Australian Police Plan <b>Warp drive Mission</b></p> </div><p>woohoo!  finally!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...oh.  argh fuckit, dumb ozzies.  Oh well, at least they know how to play rugby (even though they suck kangaroo bum at cricket).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Australian Police Plan Warp drive Mission woohoo !
finally ! ...oh .
argh fuckit , dumb ozzies .
Oh well , at least they know how to play rugby ( even though they suck kangaroo bum at cricket ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australian Police Plan Warp drive Mission woohoo!
finally! ...oh.
argh fuckit, dumb ozzies.
Oh well, at least they know how to play rugby (even though they suck kangaroo bum at cricket).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730095</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1247846700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing you're probably European, or you mostly drive import cars.</p><p>Most North American cars, (and possibly Australian, too, as they're mostly made by GM and Ford) have been able to be locked from the inside without the key.  Flip the lock switch (or push the button, on the really old cars), close the door, and the car is locked.</p><p>The original Mini from 1959, and a few other early European cars, and most current Asian ones (don't know when they started doing it, though) won't let you do that.  Lock the door from the inside when it's open, and close the door, and the lock disengages.  Some won't even let you move the switch to the lock position when the door is open.</p><p>This second type would be impossible for the police to lock without keys.  The first wouldn't.  I'm guessing that it was one of the first type.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing you 're probably European , or you mostly drive import cars.Most North American cars , ( and possibly Australian , too , as they 're mostly made by GM and Ford ) have been able to be locked from the inside without the key .
Flip the lock switch ( or push the button , on the really old cars ) , close the door , and the car is locked.The original Mini from 1959 , and a few other early European cars , and most current Asian ones ( do n't know when they started doing it , though ) wo n't let you do that .
Lock the door from the inside when it 's open , and close the door , and the lock disengages .
Some wo n't even let you move the switch to the lock position when the door is open.This second type would be impossible for the police to lock without keys .
The first would n't .
I 'm guessing that it was one of the first type .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing you're probably European, or you mostly drive import cars.Most North American cars, (and possibly Australian, too, as they're mostly made by GM and Ford) have been able to be locked from the inside without the key.
Flip the lock switch (or push the button, on the really old cars), close the door, and the car is locked.The original Mini from 1959, and a few other early European cars, and most current Asian ones (don't know when they started doing it, though) won't let you do that.
Lock the door from the inside when it's open, and close the door, and the lock disengages.
Some won't even let you move the switch to the lock position when the door is open.This second type would be impossible for the police to lock without keys.
The first wouldn't.
I'm guessing that it was one of the first type.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28733295</id>
	<title>Re:Sharing WiFi</title>
	<author>Kymermosst</author>
	<datestamp>1247860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>One problem with sharing WiFi is there doesn't seem to be an \_easy\_ way to do it so that your guest's traffic is secure from another guest.</i></p><p>There is some protection available if you use a Cisco access point.</p><p><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/access\_point/12.2\_11\_JA/configuration/guide/s11rf.html#wp1038494" title="cisco.com">Public Secure Packet Forwarding</a> [cisco.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with sharing WiFi is there does n't seem to be an \ _easy \ _ way to do it so that your guest 's traffic is secure from another guest.There is some protection available if you use a Cisco access point.Public Secure Packet Forwarding [ cisco.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with sharing WiFi is there doesn't seem to be an \_easy\_ way to do it so that your guest's traffic is secure from another guest.There is some protection available if you use a Cisco access point.Public Secure Packet Forwarding [cisco.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728453</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727911</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247835480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. As long as it's something good on average, it doesn't matter if it steps over someones rights.</p><p>Sounds a bit authoritarian to me..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
As long as it 's something good on average , it does n't matter if it steps over someones rights.Sounds a bit authoritarian to me. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
As long as it's something good on average, it doesn't matter if it steps over someones rights.Sounds a bit authoritarian to me..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727509</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728969</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>jgardner100</author>
	<datestamp>1247841900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the police are going to walk into your house while you are out and put a wep key on your wireless router for you. They will just point out to the unwashed masses that they aren't qualified to run a wireless network (which is probably true.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the police are going to walk into your house while you are out and put a wep key on your wireless router for you .
They will just point out to the unwashed masses that they are n't qualified to run a wireless network ( which is probably true .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the police are going to walk into your house while you are out and put a wep key on your wireless router for you.
They will just point out to the unwashed masses that they aren't qualified to run a wireless network (which is probably true.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727153</id>
	<title>I'm stunned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.</p></div><p>What? People don't know this in Australia? I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude. I'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question: people don't know this in Australia?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.What ?
People do n't know this in Australia ?
I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude .
I 'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question : people do n't know this in Australia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.What?
People don't know this in Australia?
I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude.
I'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question: people don't know this in Australia?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727921</id>
	<title>Re:Visit Every Residence</title>
	<author>TaoPhoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1247835600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1952 Called. They want their innocence back.</p><p>"I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians."</p><p>I couldn't find your ~ tag. I hope you're kidding.</p><p>I should offer free Go-Fish training to all IT people.</p><p>Lemme see if I have this straight.</p><p>A. Australian Officers visit home *without cause or reason* to "test Wifi".<br>B. <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/15/1251201" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/15/1251201</a> [slashdot.org]<br>Australian Officers begin implementation 3-strikes policy upon discovery of a bad copy of a Ramones mp3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1952 Called .
They want their innocence back .
" I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business , more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians .
" I could n't find your ~ tag .
I hope you 're kidding.I should offer free Go-Fish training to all IT people.Lem me see if I have this straight.A .
Australian Officers visit home * without cause or reason * to " test Wifi " .B .
http : //yro.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/07/15/1251201 [ slashdot.org ] Australian Officers begin implementation 3-strikes policy upon discovery of a bad copy of a Ramones mp3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1952 Called.
They want their innocence back.
"I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.
"I couldn't find your ~ tag.
I hope you're kidding.I should offer free Go-Fish training to all IT people.Lemme see if I have this straight.A.
Australian Officers visit home *without cause or reason* to "test Wifi".B.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/15/1251201 [slashdot.org]Australian Officers begin implementation 3-strikes policy upon discovery of a bad copy of a Ramones mp3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28735665</id>
	<title>The honey pot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247829360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>police....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>police... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>police....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728399</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247839200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...</p></div><p>How exactly? My car can only be locked with both doors already closed. This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out. So if you wanna lock it without keys from outside, you need one window down (which they wouldn't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on).</p><p>Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise. Still an invasion of my property.</p></div><p>try holding the exterior handle in the open position as you close the locked door</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...How exactly ?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed .
This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out .
So if you wan na lock it without keys from outside , you need one window down ( which they would n't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on ) .Plus I do n't want anyone fiddling with my car , good intentions or otherwise .
Still an invasion of my property.try holding the exterior handle in the open position as you close the locked door</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...How exactly?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed.
This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out.
So if you wanna lock it without keys from outside, you need one window down (which they wouldn't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on).Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise.
Still an invasion of my property.try holding the exterior handle in the open position as you close the locked door
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28735847</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>SheeEttin</author>
	<datestamp>1247830440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Impersonating an officer, most likely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Impersonating an officer , most likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Impersonating an officer, most likely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727679</id>
	<title>untolled billions for destructive devices whilst..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the sprayed on 'atmosphere' dissolves into destructive 'weather'. no question the recipe for doom has been followed to the letter.</p><p>as the illusions of security promoted by the greed/fear/ego based minions of man'kind' continue to fail miserably, there'll never be a better (or any) time to consult with your creators, whosoever you perceive them to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the sprayed on 'atmosphere ' dissolves into destructive 'weather' .
no question the recipe for doom has been followed to the letter.as the illusions of security promoted by the greed/fear/ego based minions of man'kind ' continue to fail miserably , there 'll never be a better ( or any ) time to consult with your creators , whosoever you perceive them to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the sprayed on 'atmosphere' dissolves into destructive 'weather'.
no question the recipe for doom has been followed to the letter.as the illusions of security promoted by the greed/fear/ego based minions of man'kind' continue to fail miserably, there'll never be a better (or any) time to consult with your creators, whosoever you perceive them to be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730021</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>mortonda</author>
	<datestamp>1247846400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?</p></div><p>So be a good neighbor, and go over to visit them and set them up to use your secured network!  Unsecured networks can also result in abuses like spam attacks, virus launches, identity theft, not just stealing your bandwidth.</p><p>By letting your neighbors on your unsecured network, you just might be opening them up to password sniffing and identity theft!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you \ _like \ _ having an open access port , and do n't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email ? So be a good neighbor , and go over to visit them and set them up to use your secured network !
Unsecured networks can also result in abuses like spam attacks , virus launches , identity theft , not just stealing your bandwidth.By letting your neighbors on your unsecured network , you just might be opening them up to password sniffing and identity theft !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?So be a good neighbor, and go over to visit them and set them up to use your secured network!
Unsecured networks can also result in abuses like spam attacks, virus launches, identity theft, not just stealing your bandwidth.By letting your neighbors on your unsecured network, you just might be opening them up to password sniffing and identity theft!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728285</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1247838420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you didn't want to discuss your African example, you should have ommitted it.  But I find it to be a good example... because the net effect is not positive.  The food is stolen by warlords, and frees up their resources for other things... like more guns.  There was actually a story about this not to long ago.  The efforts in Somolia are in fact fueling the pirates there..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you did n't want to discuss your African example , you should have ommitted it .
But I find it to be a good example... because the net effect is not positive .
The food is stolen by warlords , and frees up their resources for other things... like more guns .
There was actually a story about this not to long ago .
The efforts in Somolia are in fact fueling the pirates there. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you didn't want to discuss your African example, you should have ommitted it.
But I find it to be a good example... because the net effect is not positive.
The food is stolen by warlords, and frees up their resources for other things... like more guns.
There was actually a story about this not to long ago.
The efforts in Somolia are in fact fueling the pirates there..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727509</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727809</id>
	<title>Re:Mac address</title>
	<author>DTemp</author>
	<datestamp>1247834460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It must be known to the world that 1) not broadcasting your SSID and 2) restricting MAC addresses both do NOTHING for security.  Best to leave your SSID broadcast, not restrict MAC addresses, and actually implement REAL security: WPA2 with a strong key.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It must be known to the world that 1 ) not broadcasting your SSID and 2 ) restricting MAC addresses both do NOTHING for security .
Best to leave your SSID broadcast , not restrict MAC addresses , and actually implement REAL security : WPA2 with a strong key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must be known to the world that 1) not broadcasting your SSID and 2) restricting MAC addresses both do NOTHING for security.
Best to leave your SSID broadcast, not restrict MAC addresses, and actually implement REAL security: WPA2 with a strong key.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728475</id>
	<title>Wardriving in Australia, did anyone else...</title>
	<author>ei4anb</author>
	<datestamp>1247839620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wardriving in Australia, did anyone else read this and think of the supercharged pursuit cars and high speed chases in Mad Max ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wardriving in Australia , did anyone else read this and think of the supercharged pursuit cars and high speed chases in Mad Max ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wardriving in Australia, did anyone else read this and think of the supercharged pursuit cars and high speed chases in Mad Max ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>corsec67</author>
	<datestamp>1247827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, what is to prevent a thief from dressing up in similar clothing to a cop, and then wandering around checking the door locks like these police do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , what is to prevent a thief from dressing up in similar clothing to a cop , and then wandering around checking the door locks like these police do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, what is to prevent a thief from dressing up in similar clothing to a cop, and then wandering around checking the door locks like these police do?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727209</id>
	<title>Re:Mac address</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you serious?<br>I suggest you read the section about mac address security here:<br><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43" title="zdnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43</a> [zdnet.com]</p><p>and then implement WPA (if you actually want real security)</p><p>Your current setup keeps out harmless casual users and lets in easily anyone who might want to use your connection for dodgy/illegal purposes and has the slightest clue what they are doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you serious ? I suggest you read the section about mac address security here : http : //blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php ? p = 43 [ zdnet.com ] and then implement WPA ( if you actually want real security ) Your current setup keeps out harmless casual users and lets in easily anyone who might want to use your connection for dodgy/illegal purposes and has the slightest clue what they are doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you serious?I suggest you read the section about mac address security here:http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43 [zdnet.com]and then implement WPA (if you actually want real security)Your current setup keeps out harmless casual users and lets in easily anyone who might want to use your connection for dodgy/illegal purposes and has the slightest clue what they are doing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28750895</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1248004140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to own a car (never stolen, mind you) that had a window that wouldn't wind all the way up (nor would it wind down). The NSW police put a helpful note in the middle seat of my front bench seat. The only way they could have put it there was to gain entrance to my car. Ironically, my car was never troubled by other 'inquisitive' people.</p><p>PS: I ignored the warning, since I was a flat broke musician at the time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to own a car ( never stolen , mind you ) that had a window that would n't wind all the way up ( nor would it wind down ) .
The NSW police put a helpful note in the middle seat of my front bench seat .
The only way they could have put it there was to gain entrance to my car .
Ironically , my car was never troubled by other 'inquisitive ' people.PS : I ignored the warning , since I was a flat broke musician at the time : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to own a car (never stolen, mind you) that had a window that wouldn't wind all the way up (nor would it wind down).
The NSW police put a helpful note in the middle seat of my front bench seat.
The only way they could have put it there was to gain entrance to my car.
Ironically, my car was never troubled by other 'inquisitive' people.PS: I ignored the warning, since I was a flat broke musician at the time :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28767117</id>
	<title>Re:Stop being a nutjob and get a hold of yourself!</title>
	<author>PMBjornerud</author>
	<datestamp>1248169500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are risks in having an open WLAN. Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime, some are about how other people can commit crimes against you. It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.</p></div><p>My WLAN is secured, but my SSID contains my cell phone number and an invitation for requesting the password.</p><p>Got a message twice from people in need of checking email.</p><p>I'll switch passwords after a week. Should nasty stuff happen, I have their phone number logged and would hand it to the police.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are risks in having an open WLAN .
Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime , some are about how other people can commit crimes against you .
It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.My WLAN is secured , but my SSID contains my cell phone number and an invitation for requesting the password.Got a message twice from people in need of checking email.I 'll switch passwords after a week .
Should nasty stuff happen , I have their phone number logged and would hand it to the police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are risks in having an open WLAN.
Some of them have something to do with you becoming suspected of crime, some are about how other people can commit crimes against you.
It can be argued if the police is the best organization to educate about this or not but police certainly can do it and it is important thing to do.My WLAN is secured, but my SSID contains my cell phone number and an invitation for requesting the password.Got a message twice from people in need of checking email.I'll switch passwords after a week.
Should nasty stuff happen, I have their phone number logged and would hand it to the police.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730069</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1247846580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's illegal......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's illegal..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's illegal......</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28734071</id>
	<title>Re:Mac address</title>
	<author>raju1kabir</author>
	<datestamp>1247864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Um, if your network is unencrypted then anyone can see your MAC address and spoof it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , if your network is unencrypted then anyone can see your MAC address and spoof it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, if your network is unencrypted then anyone can see your MAC address and spoof it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732863</id>
	<title>IP address liability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247858280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a good move to make liable for downloads from their IP....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a good move to make liable for downloads from their IP... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a good move to make liable for downloads from their IP....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728237</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1247838240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I know it's open.  I'm leaving it open.  It's not illegal to host an unsecured connection. Be sure to come back if you have reason to believe any laws are being broken."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I know it 's open .
I 'm leaving it open .
It 's not illegal to host an unsecured connection .
Be sure to come back if you have reason to believe any laws are being broken .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I know it's open.
I'm leaving it open.
It's not illegal to host an unsecured connection.
Be sure to come back if you have reason to believe any laws are being broken.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730699</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1247849160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question, he immediately said "get away from me" before I could even say anything.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Next time, leave the furry costume at home.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question , he immediately said " get away from me " before I could even say anything .
Next time , leave the furry costume at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question, he immediately said "get away from me" before I could even say anything.
Next time, leave the furry costume at home.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728025</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28735761</id>
	<title>The admins LOVE to play games!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247829900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meanwhile, in another part of town, <a href="http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html" title="ex-parrot.com" rel="nofollow">someone with a mean streak will have so much fun with this.</a> [ex-parrot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , in another part of town , someone with a mean streak will have so much fun with this .
[ ex-parrot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, in another part of town, someone with a mean streak will have so much fun with this.
[ex-parrot.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</id>
	<title>yes and..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so what do you think they'll say when I say I do it deliberately ?</p><p>I don't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers. I restrict it to make sure they can't cost me too much and everything I do on it is encrypted via VPN so - meh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so what do you think they 'll say when I say I do it deliberately ? I do n't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers .
I restrict it to make sure they ca n't cost me too much and everything I do on it is encrypted via VPN so - meh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so what do you think they'll say when I say I do it deliberately ?I don't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers.
I restrict it to make sure they can't cost me too much and everything I do on it is encrypted via VPN so - meh!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727973</id>
	<title>Re:A waste of Tax Money</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1247836140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some places need to use WEP to support devices that cannot understand WPA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some places need to use WEP to support devices that can not understand WPA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some places need to use WEP to support devices that cannot understand WPA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727281</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727227</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you know your neighbors, you can quite easily give them the key to access your wireless...<br>Your 60 year old neighbor isn't going to abuse it, your 16yr old neighbor isn't either because you know them and any illegal activity will easily be traced back to them... The evil kiddie fiddler who parks his van round the corner and sits in the back downloading kiddie porn through your connection doesn't know you, and you don't know him, so when the police turn up asking why your connection has been used to download kiddie porn you have nothing to tell them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you know your neighbors , you can quite easily give them the key to access your wireless...Your 60 year old neighbor is n't going to abuse it , your 16yr old neighbor is n't either because you know them and any illegal activity will easily be traced back to them... The evil kiddie fiddler who parks his van round the corner and sits in the back downloading kiddie porn through your connection does n't know you , and you do n't know him , so when the police turn up asking why your connection has been used to download kiddie porn you have nothing to tell them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you know your neighbors, you can quite easily give them the key to access your wireless...Your 60 year old neighbor isn't going to abuse it, your 16yr old neighbor isn't either because you know them and any illegal activity will easily be traced back to them... The evil kiddie fiddler who parks his van round the corner and sits in the back downloading kiddie porn through your connection doesn't know you, and you don't know him, so when the police turn up asking why your connection has been used to download kiddie porn you have nothing to tell them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727693</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't listen to the voices from your dental work.  The police have been testing door locks since their inception.  It's called crime <em>prevention</em>, and it's first and last in Peel's Nine Points:<blockquote><div><p> <a href="http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/laworder/9points.htm" title="historyhome.co.uk">The basic mission for which the police exist is to <em>prevent</em> crime and disorder. [...] The test of police efficiency is the <em>absence</em> of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. </a> [historyhome.co.uk]</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't listen to the voices from your dental work .
The police have been testing door locks since their inception .
It 's called crime prevention , and it 's first and last in Peel 's Nine Points : The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder .
[ ... ] The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder , not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it .
[ historyhome.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't listen to the voices from your dental work.
The police have been testing door locks since their inception.
It's called crime prevention, and it's first and last in Peel's Nine Points: The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
[...] The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
[historyhome.co.uk] 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728151</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?</p> </div><p>One owner has more 'protection' money than the other?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house ?
One owner has more 'protection ' money than the other ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?
One owner has more 'protection' money than the other?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727375</id>
	<title>Open on purpose</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247828400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My AP is open on purpose as I was sick of the compatibility issues and the data protection is negligible. You still need to convince the OpenBSD router that you should be using this network, and good luck sniffing the VPN traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My AP is open on purpose as I was sick of the compatibility issues and the data protection is negligible .
You still need to convince the OpenBSD router that you should be using this network , and good luck sniffing the VPN traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My AP is open on purpose as I was sick of the compatibility issues and the data protection is negligible.
You still need to convince the OpenBSD router that you should be using this network, and good luck sniffing the VPN traffic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727569</id>
	<title>Re:QLD....</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1247830740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We locked up a corrupt politician from the same party as the Government up for seven years today in Queensland.  Can you imagine that happening in the land of Scooter and Chaney?  Having "not much going on" requires a bit of effort and everyone bothering to get off their arse to vote and scaring leaders into honesty.<br> <br>Back to WiFi, one funny thing is a large number of access points have names along the lines of "f* off" and at least have some attempt at security (can't tell if they are WEP or not from just looking from my phone).</htmltext>
<tokenext>We locked up a corrupt politician from the same party as the Government up for seven years today in Queensland .
Can you imagine that happening in the land of Scooter and Chaney ?
Having " not much going on " requires a bit of effort and everyone bothering to get off their arse to vote and scaring leaders into honesty .
Back to WiFi , one funny thing is a large number of access points have names along the lines of " f * off " and at least have some attempt at security ( ca n't tell if they are WEP or not from just looking from my phone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We locked up a corrupt politician from the same party as the Government up for seven years today in Queensland.
Can you imagine that happening in the land of Scooter and Chaney?
Having "not much going on" requires a bit of effort and everyone bothering to get off their arse to vote and scaring leaders into honesty.
Back to WiFi, one funny thing is a large number of access points have names along the lines of "f* off" and at least have some attempt at security (can't tell if they are WEP or not from just looking from my phone).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727331</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732665</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>computational super</author>
	<datestamp>1247857560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down, used for it the better part of a day without noticing.</i>
<p>Hey, that's going to <i>my</i> excuse if I ever get caught, too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down , used for it the better part of a day without noticing .
Hey , that 's going to my excuse if I ever get caught , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down, used for it the better part of a day without noticing.
Hey, that's going to my excuse if I ever get caught, too!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729551</id>
	<title>Call me synical but...</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1247844480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the first thing I thought when reading this article was this was a great opportunity for the cops to plant drugs. (Car part not Wi-Fi).<br>
The second thing I thought about was not how to secure my wi-fi but how I could pester the cops with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the first thing I thought when reading this article was this was a great opportunity for the cops to plant drugs .
( Car part not Wi-Fi ) .
The second thing I thought about was not how to secure my wi-fi but how I could pester the cops with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the first thing I thought when reading this article was this was a great opportunity for the cops to plant drugs.
(Car part not Wi-Fi).
The second thing I thought about was not how to secure my wi-fi but how I could pester the cops with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729609</id>
	<title>Kindness to Strangers</title>
	<author>bap</author>
	<datestamp>1247844720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next they'll send plainclothes policemen to people's doors to ask for a glass of water, or to see if there's an unsecured spigot on the outside of the house.  And if they find this sort of freely available water, they'll give them a stern talking-to.  Because it(*) all starts with kindness to strangers!</p><p>(*) "It" being civilization: the biblical command to be kind to strangers, and the custom in the middle east to give water to travelers, date to prehistory are are literally the basis of our civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next they 'll send plainclothes policemen to people 's doors to ask for a glass of water , or to see if there 's an unsecured spigot on the outside of the house .
And if they find this sort of freely available water , they 'll give them a stern talking-to .
Because it ( * ) all starts with kindness to strangers !
( * ) " It " being civilization : the biblical command to be kind to strangers , and the custom in the middle east to give water to travelers , date to prehistory are are literally the basis of our civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next they'll send plainclothes policemen to people's doors to ask for a glass of water, or to see if there's an unsecured spigot on the outside of the house.
And if they find this sort of freely available water, they'll give them a stern talking-to.
Because it(*) all starts with kindness to strangers!
(*) "It" being civilization: the biblical command to be kind to strangers, and the custom in the middle east to give water to travelers, date to prehistory are are literally the basis of our civilization.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>ubrgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247827680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; <i>I don't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers</i> <br> <br>
I must need coffee. I misread this as "I don't mind sharing my <b>wife</b> with complete strangers."</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I do n't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers I must need coffee .
I misread this as " I do n't mind sharing my wife with complete strangers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I don't mind sharing my wifi with complete strangers  
I must need coffee.
I misread this as "I don't mind sharing my wife with complete strangers.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728171</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1247837820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How exactly? My car can only be locked with both doors already closed.</i></p><p>Uhh...  It wasn't your car that was locked?</p><p>WTF?  Have you never seen other cars before?  Most don't have this feature at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How exactly ?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed.Uhh... It was n't your car that was locked ? WTF ?
Have you never seen other cars before ?
Most do n't have this feature at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How exactly?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed.Uhh...  It wasn't your car that was locked?WTF?
Have you never seen other cars before?
Most don't have this feature at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730407</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247847900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Photos?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Photos ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Photos?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727925</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1247835600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Belgium when you move, the local cop will make a visit when you moved. This is to see if you live where you say you live. This can go from just knocking on your door and say hello to actually walk around and see if you live there, not just rent the place as a fake address.</p><p>A friend of mine had a nice chat and some coffee with the guy.</p><p>For me it took some three months and he really looked if I lived there, because each time he could I worked or was in another country and when I could he was not available. So he might have thought I was just renting the place with nothing in it, so e.g. debt collectors can not take away my stuff, while in reality I was living in a mansion.</p><p>In another town, my local cop was somebody who I often shared a beer with. And when I had a ticket, I just gave him the money and he would do the rest. He then would put the proof of payment in my mailbox. That way I did not need to go to the post office and buy the stamps. The system is now changed and I can pay directly via my bank.</p><p>In those days, the local cops would get the first beer free in the pub and payed for everything after that. I liked it, because I knew they knew what was going on in their neighborhood and so what if they where sometimes drunk. It showed the rest they were people as well and made the distance much smaller.</p><p>But then in Belgium drinking is not something that is frowned upon and the result is that we have the world largest brewery company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Belgium when you move , the local cop will make a visit when you moved .
This is to see if you live where you say you live .
This can go from just knocking on your door and say hello to actually walk around and see if you live there , not just rent the place as a fake address.A friend of mine had a nice chat and some coffee with the guy.For me it took some three months and he really looked if I lived there , because each time he could I worked or was in another country and when I could he was not available .
So he might have thought I was just renting the place with nothing in it , so e.g .
debt collectors can not take away my stuff , while in reality I was living in a mansion.In another town , my local cop was somebody who I often shared a beer with .
And when I had a ticket , I just gave him the money and he would do the rest .
He then would put the proof of payment in my mailbox .
That way I did not need to go to the post office and buy the stamps .
The system is now changed and I can pay directly via my bank.In those days , the local cops would get the first beer free in the pub and payed for everything after that .
I liked it , because I knew they knew what was going on in their neighborhood and so what if they where sometimes drunk .
It showed the rest they were people as well and made the distance much smaller.But then in Belgium drinking is not something that is frowned upon and the result is that we have the world largest brewery company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Belgium when you move, the local cop will make a visit when you moved.
This is to see if you live where you say you live.
This can go from just knocking on your door and say hello to actually walk around and see if you live there, not just rent the place as a fake address.A friend of mine had a nice chat and some coffee with the guy.For me it took some three months and he really looked if I lived there, because each time he could I worked or was in another country and when I could he was not available.
So he might have thought I was just renting the place with nothing in it, so e.g.
debt collectors can not take away my stuff, while in reality I was living in a mansion.In another town, my local cop was somebody who I often shared a beer with.
And when I had a ticket, I just gave him the money and he would do the rest.
He then would put the proof of payment in my mailbox.
That way I did not need to go to the post office and buy the stamps.
The system is now changed and I can pay directly via my bank.In those days, the local cops would get the first beer free in the pub and payed for everything after that.
I liked it, because I knew they knew what was going on in their neighborhood and so what if they where sometimes drunk.
It showed the rest they were people as well and made the distance much smaller.But then in Belgium drinking is not something that is frowned upon and the result is that we have the world largest brewery company.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728013</id>
	<title>Mad Max!!</title>
	<author>Mipsalawishus</author>
	<datestamp>1247836560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doh, guess I should RTFA first....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doh , guess I should RTFA first... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doh, guess I should RTFA first....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731335</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247851920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.</i><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and collect evidence.  Remember, to every cop you are a potential perp.  There is no reason to ever agree to speak to a cop without a lawyer present.  Further explanation is provided by a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik#" title="youtube.com">law professor</a> [youtube.com] and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE#" title="youtube.com">police officer</a> [youtube.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business , more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians .
...and collect evidence .
Remember , to every cop you are a potential perp .
There is no reason to ever agree to speak to a cop without a lawyer present .
Further explanation is provided by a law professor [ youtube.com ] and police officer [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.
...and collect evidence.
Remember, to every cop you are a potential perp.
There is no reason to ever agree to speak to a cop without a lawyer present.
Further explanation is provided by a law professor [youtube.com] and police officer [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727949</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247835900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of stopping <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hEGTQQ4q10cPodWLIPuuG8WNSMVA" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">attacks on students</a> [google.com], Australian police is busy finding cars with unlocked doors. Nice priorities!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of stopping attacks on students [ google.com ] , Australian police is busy finding cars with unlocked doors .
Nice priorities !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of stopping attacks on students [google.com], Australian police is busy finding cars with unlocked doors.
Nice priorities!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728205</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>msormune</author>
	<datestamp>1247838000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Would you mind sharing the wifi with complete strangers, IF you could be prosecuted if the stranger makes a crime through your access point? Because that's the reality in many parts of the world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you mind sharing the wifi with complete strangers , IF you could be prosecuted if the stranger makes a crime through your access point ?
Because that 's the reality in many parts of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Would you mind sharing the wifi with complete strangers, IF you could be prosecuted if the stranger makes a crime through your access point?
Because that's the reality in many parts of the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728023</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>hodet</author>
	<datestamp>1247836620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"...Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise. Still an invasion of my property."</i>
<br> <br>
umm....then lock your doors.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...Plus I do n't want anyone fiddling with my car , good intentions or otherwise .
Still an invasion of my property .
" umm....then lock your doors .
: -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise.
Still an invasion of my property.
"
 
umm....then lock your doors.
:-/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28736737</id>
	<title>s/police/fire</title>
	<author>Nethead</author>
	<datestamp>1247836080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this much different from the fire department going around and asking if you have fresh batteries in your smoke detectors?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this much different from the fire department going around and asking if you have fresh batteries in your smoke detectors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this much different from the fire department going around and asking if you have fresh batteries in your smoke detectors?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28739917</id>
	<title>Re:Find people who donate to charity too</title>
	<author>MozzleyOne</author>
	<datestamp>1247923380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.</p><p>Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss.</p></div><p>Where is this Australian ISP which offers unlimited traffic... I understand other countries have uncapped internet, but Australian's will almost always be losing by giving away their traffic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss.Where is this Australian ISP which offers unlimited traffic... I understand other countries have uncapped internet , but Australian 's will almost always be losing by giving away their traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who donate some of their bandwidth to passing surfers probably lose nothing.Surely the police should be concentrating on the cases where there is a more significant danger of loss.Where is this Australian ISP which offers unlimited traffic... I understand other countries have uncapped internet, but Australian's will almost always be losing by giving away their traffic.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28750861</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Petrushka</author>
	<datestamp>1248003840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>so what do you think they'll say when I say I do it deliberately ?</p></div><p>Vanishingly few people in Australia would do that, as plans in Oz normally have a monthly cap. Take a look <a href="http://www.bigpond.com/internet/plans/cable/plans-and-offers/" title="bigpond.com">here</a> [bigpond.com], for example: the cheapest plan allows you 200 MB (yes, <i>mega</i>bytes) of data transfer <i>per month</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>so what do you think they 'll say when I say I do it deliberately ? Vanishingly few people in Australia would do that , as plans in Oz normally have a monthly cap .
Take a look here [ bigpond.com ] , for example : the cheapest plan allows you 200 MB ( yes , megabytes ) of data transfer per month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so what do you think they'll say when I say I do it deliberately ?Vanishingly few people in Australia would do that, as plans in Oz normally have a monthly cap.
Take a look here [bigpond.com], for example: the cheapest plan allows you 200 MB (yes, megabytes) of data transfer per month.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729433</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247843820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the fourth amendment to the US Constitution applies to Australians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the fourth amendment to the US Constitution applies to Australians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the fourth amendment to the US Constitution applies to Australians.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</id>
	<title>Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"checking cars have been locked, and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured."</p><p>So, as a criminal, the police have saved me the trouble of having to work out which cars are unlocked by flagging them up for me?</p><p>Slightly more on topic, is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia? What if I'm just being helpful, will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" checking cars have been locked , and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured .
" So , as a criminal , the police have saved me the trouble of having to work out which cars are unlocked by flagging them up for me ? Slightly more on topic , is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia ?
What if I 'm just being helpful , will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"checking cars have been locked, and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.
"So, as a criminal, the police have saved me the trouble of having to work out which cars are unlocked by flagging them up for me?Slightly more on topic, is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia?
What if I'm just being helpful, will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</id>
	<title>I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me.  What are they implying, that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable?  What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?  Quite frankly it doesn't seem to be the homeowner's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime, especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug, if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth.  Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.<br>
<br>
So, who exactly is this benefiting?  My guess would be whoever provides ISP service has been hitting up their political puppets... after all, your 60 year old neighbor should get with the times and start paying $100 a month for internet access like all the other good citizens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me .
What are they implying , that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to /b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable ?
What if you \ _like \ _ having an open access port , and do n't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email ?
Quite frankly it does n't seem to be the homeowner 's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime , especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug , if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth .
Come to think about it , it 's not the cops job to prevent crime either .
So , who exactly is this benefiting ?
My guess would be whoever provides ISP service has been hitting up their political puppets... after all , your 60 year old neighbor should get with the times and start paying $ 100 a month for internet access like all the other good citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like some kind of pseudo threat to me.
What are they implying, that if some criminal uses their open access port to post goat porn to /b/ the home owner is going to be criminally liable?
What if you \_like\_ having an open access port, and don't mind if your elderly neighbors use it occasionally to check their email?
Quite frankly it doesn't seem to be the homeowner's job to lock the world down in order to prevent crime, especially crime that can be remedied by pulling a plug, if it ever actually causes the homeowner to lose bandwidth.
Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.
So, who exactly is this benefiting?
My guess would be whoever provides ISP service has been hitting up their political puppets... after all, your 60 year old neighbor should get with the times and start paying $100 a month for internet access like all the other good citizens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728249</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>generic.individual</author>
	<datestamp>1247838300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise. Still an invasion of my property.</p></div><p>

Exactly. It's even worse to think of a bored beat cop coming to my door, glancing into my house and feeling me out when I open the door, all in the name of him "friendly" "educating" me about my wireless security.<br> <br>

Why not just stop by and give a "friendly" "education" on anything else that isn't illegal and they feel I am doing wrong? LIke, say, "educate" me about my front lawn's landscaping, or say my political veiws.<br> <br>

I don't think I am alone in the slashdot crowd for wanting to cops to stay the f*** away from me until a law is being broken. Is that too much to ask?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus I do n't want anyone fiddling with my car , good intentions or otherwise .
Still an invasion of my property .
Exactly. It 's even worse to think of a bored beat cop coming to my door , glancing into my house and feeling me out when I open the door , all in the name of him " friendly " " educating " me about my wireless security .
Why not just stop by and give a " friendly " " education " on anything else that is n't illegal and they feel I am doing wrong ?
LIke , say , " educate " me about my front lawn 's landscaping , or say my political veiws .
I do n't think I am alone in the slashdot crowd for wanting to cops to stay the f * * * away from me until a law is being broken .
Is that too much to ask ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise.
Still an invasion of my property.
Exactly. It's even worse to think of a bored beat cop coming to my door, glancing into my house and feeling me out when I open the door, all in the name of him "friendly" "educating" me about my wireless security.
Why not just stop by and give a "friendly" "education" on anything else that isn't illegal and they feel I am doing wrong?
LIke, say, "educate" me about my front lawn's landscaping, or say my political veiws.
I don't think I am alone in the slashdot crowd for wanting to cops to stay the f*** away from me until a law is being broken.
Is that too much to ask?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28732205</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1247855580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They do the car check in the paring lot I use. When they do it, they leave a note on every car. Mine noted that I was using an anti-theft device (Club) but didn't comment on the fact that my Jeep has no door locks.<br>
This in my third vehicle with a soft top so I am quite used to walking away without locking anything. It is fun from time to time, to throw a "Don't forget to lock it" over my shoulder at the passenger as I get out. Their look of confusion is priceless.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do the car check in the paring lot I use .
When they do it , they leave a note on every car .
Mine noted that I was using an anti-theft device ( Club ) but did n't comment on the fact that my Jeep has no door locks .
This in my third vehicle with a soft top so I am quite used to walking away without locking anything .
It is fun from time to time , to throw a " Do n't forget to lock it " over my shoulder at the passenger as I get out .
Their look of confusion is priceless .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do the car check in the paring lot I use.
When they do it, they leave a note on every car.
Mine noted that I was using an anti-theft device (Club) but didn't comment on the fact that my Jeep has no door locks.
This in my third vehicle with a soft top so I am quite used to walking away without locking anything.
It is fun from time to time, to throw a "Don't forget to lock it" over my shoulder at the passenger as I get out.
Their look of confusion is priceless.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728439</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247839380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Misplaced optimism?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Misplaced optimism ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Misplaced optimism?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728837</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247841360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the risk of someone leeching our connection.  In Australia, unlike the rest of the world, all internet plans have a monthly download quota.  Go over this quota and you are either shaped or charged huge excess fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the risk of someone leeching our connection .
In Australia , unlike the rest of the world , all internet plans have a monthly download quota .
Go over this quota and you are either shaped or charged huge excess fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the risk of someone leeching our connection.
In Australia, unlike the rest of the world, all internet plans have a monthly download quota.
Go over this quota and you are either shaped or charged huge excess fees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729721</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247845140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used to live in Qld, and no, they put a note on *every* car they check.</p><p>It's more like a report card, mine had all the good boxes ticked, car locked, no valuables in sight, no money in sight, etc. One of the few things the police do that actually makes you think they're worthwhile, there should be more of this sort of pro-active thing where no one gets in actual trouble from the police.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used to live in Qld , and no , they put a note on * every * car they check.It 's more like a report card , mine had all the good boxes ticked , car locked , no valuables in sight , no money in sight , etc .
One of the few things the police do that actually makes you think they 're worthwhile , there should be more of this sort of pro-active thing where no one gets in actual trouble from the police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used to live in Qld, and no, they put a note on *every* car they check.It's more like a report card, mine had all the good boxes ticked, car locked, no valuables in sight, no money in sight, etc.
One of the few things the police do that actually makes you think they're worthwhile, there should be more of this sort of pro-active thing where no one gets in actual trouble from the police.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730855</id>
	<title>Turn off that SSID beacon you retard!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247849700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turn off that SSID beacon you retard!  Create a public dark-net.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn off that SSID beacon you retard !
Create a public dark-net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn off that SSID beacon you retard!
Create a public dark-net.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728357</id>
	<title>I hope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247838960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope their laptop is secured tightly.  My router is open but if your MAC isn't in an approved list, automated scripts try to install as many exploits as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope their laptop is secured tightly .
My router is open but if your MAC is n't in an approved list , automated scripts try to install as many exploits as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope their laptop is secured tightly.
My router is open but if your MAC isn't in an approved list, automated scripts try to install as many exploits as possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727455</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>xouumalperxe</author>
	<datestamp>1247829240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Slightly more on topic, is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia? What if I'm just being helpful, will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point?</p></div><p>Presumably, if you tell them you're aware of the risks but are just being helpful they won't bother you again. But that'd make too much sense...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slightly more on topic , is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia ?
What if I 'm just being helpful , will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point ? Presumably , if you tell them you 're aware of the risks but are just being helpful they wo n't bother you again .
But that 'd make too much sense.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slightly more on topic, is there a law against leaving your network open in Australia?
What if I'm just being helpful, will they continue to badger me until I lock down my access point?Presumably, if you tell them you're aware of the risks but are just being helpful they won't bother you again.
But that'd make too much sense...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729063</id>
	<title>Re:I'm stunned</title>
	<author>novakreo</author>
	<datestamp>1247842320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.</p></div><p>What? People don't know this in Australia? I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude. I'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question: people don't know this in Australia?</p></div><p>No, people don't know this in <em>Queensland</em>. Queensland is our answer to both Florida and Alabama.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.What ?
People do n't know this in Australia ?
I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude .
I 'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question : people do n't know this in Australia ? No , people do n't know this in Queensland .
Queensland is our answer to both Florida and Alabama .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and leaving notes warning people of the dangers involved with leaving their vehicles unsecured.What?
People don't know this in Australia?
I mean if it came to become a campaign the problem must have been of significant magnitude.
I'm not trying to flamebait here but back to my question: people don't know this in Australia?No, people don't know this in Queensland.
Queensland is our answer to both Florida and Alabama.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727153</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28738329</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>chris.evans</author>
	<datestamp>1247852460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please secure your wife, from public access. The next door neighboor is an 3ll3t31s+ h4x0r...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please secure your wife , from public access .
The next door neighboor is an 3ll3t31s + h4x0r.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please secure your wife, from public access.
The next door neighboor is an 3ll3t31s+ h4x0r...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28733283</id>
	<title>Re:If I did this, I'd be arrested..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to access or use a WiFi network to know that it is open (unauthenticated access.)</p><p>Checkout netstumbler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to access or use a WiFi network to know that it is open ( unauthenticated access .
) Checkout netstumbler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to access or use a WiFi network to know that it is open (unauthenticated access.
)Checkout netstumbler.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28734985</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>demonlapin</author>
	<datestamp>1247824860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would never let a police officer - on duty or off - into my home unless they had a warrant or it was a crime scene. Ever.  Why on earth would you?<br> <br>Just because the police are a necessary evil does not mean they are not evil.  Just better than the alternative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would never let a police officer - on duty or off - into my home unless they had a warrant or it was a crime scene .
Ever. Why on earth would you ?
Just because the police are a necessary evil does not mean they are not evil .
Just better than the alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would never let a police officer - on duty or off - into my home unless they had a warrant or it was a crime scene.
Ever.  Why on earth would you?
Just because the police are a necessary evil does not mean they are not evil.
Just better than the alternative.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727541</id>
	<title>Re:I'm stunned</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247830440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people don't know about it and don't even think about it. First of all they're happy that their WiFi works so fine for them, without hassle. That it works just as well for others doesn't even cross their mind.</p><p>Security is an alien concept to them. When I pointed out the problem that someone could use their AP I got a bewildered look and the question "now why would anyone do that? They have their own wireless, why use mine?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people do n't know about it and do n't even think about it .
First of all they 're happy that their WiFi works so fine for them , without hassle .
That it works just as well for others does n't even cross their mind.Security is an alien concept to them .
When I pointed out the problem that someone could use their AP I got a bewildered look and the question " now why would anyone do that ?
They have their own wireless , why use mine ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people don't know about it and don't even think about it.
First of all they're happy that their WiFi works so fine for them, without hassle.
That it works just as well for others doesn't even cross their mind.Security is an alien concept to them.
When I pointed out the problem that someone could use their AP I got a bewildered look and the question "now why would anyone do that?
They have their own wireless, why use mine?
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727153</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727833</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247834700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to have a LeBaron convertible.  When I first got it, I used to always lock it.  One day, I discovered that criminals will happily cut into a top to unlock a door.  Nothing inside the car was worth more than my deductible (plus the hassle of actually getting the top replaced), so I stopped locking it entirely.  Thankfully, no pigs ever bothered to lock it for me.</p><p>On the other hand, the criminals still sometimes assumed it was locked and broke a window once to break into my unlocked car.</p><p>Locking a car only keeps non-criminals out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to have a LeBaron convertible .
When I first got it , I used to always lock it .
One day , I discovered that criminals will happily cut into a top to unlock a door .
Nothing inside the car was worth more than my deductible ( plus the hassle of actually getting the top replaced ) , so I stopped locking it entirely .
Thankfully , no pigs ever bothered to lock it for me.On the other hand , the criminals still sometimes assumed it was locked and broke a window once to break into my unlocked car.Locking a car only keeps non-criminals out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to have a LeBaron convertible.
When I first got it, I used to always lock it.
One day, I discovered that criminals will happily cut into a top to unlock a door.
Nothing inside the car was worth more than my deductible (plus the hassle of actually getting the top replaced), so I stopped locking it entirely.
Thankfully, no pigs ever bothered to lock it for me.On the other hand, the criminals still sometimes assumed it was locked and broke a window once to break into my unlocked car.Locking a car only keeps non-criminals out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731005</id>
	<title>Good Job.</title>
	<author>spicyed</author>
	<datestamp>1247850420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WEP is soo hard to break into.</htmltext>
<tokenext>WEP is soo hard to break into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WEP is soo hard to break into.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731529</id>
	<title>Who are they REALLY working for?</title>
	<author>FreakerSFX</author>
	<datestamp>1247852700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is totally to remove the defence of an open wireless network for filesharers.  The Australians were already considering legislation to "protect copyright holders" more stringently and this is simply playing into their hands.</p><p>I can't believe that any police force has enough time on their hands to focus on this instead of real crime issues.  How many people die from open wireless networks?</p><p>This is so stupid - clearly their force needs to be downsized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is totally to remove the defence of an open wireless network for filesharers .
The Australians were already considering legislation to " protect copyright holders " more stringently and this is simply playing into their hands.I ca n't believe that any police force has enough time on their hands to focus on this instead of real crime issues .
How many people die from open wireless networks ? This is so stupid - clearly their force needs to be downsized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is totally to remove the defence of an open wireless network for filesharers.
The Australians were already considering legislation to "protect copyright holders" more stringently and this is simply playing into their hands.I can't believe that any police force has enough time on their hands to focus on this instead of real crime issues.
How many people die from open wireless networks?This is so stupid - clearly their force needs to be downsized.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728453</id>
	<title>Sharing WiFi</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1247839440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One problem with sharing WiFi is there doesn't seem to be an \_easy\_ way to do it so that your guest's traffic is secure from another guest.<br><br>I believe that if you use a passphrase that's shared, you need to figure out a way to get the passphrase to the users. But IIRC all the users sharing that passphrase can in theory decrypt each other's stuff.<br><br>For protection against that, you need to do something like create a dummy WPA account. But you'd still have the problem of getting the credentials to the users. Perhaps Windows+OSX+Desktop Linux could get together and standardize on something by default.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with sharing WiFi is there does n't seem to be an \ _easy \ _ way to do it so that your guest 's traffic is secure from another guest.I believe that if you use a passphrase that 's shared , you need to figure out a way to get the passphrase to the users .
But IIRC all the users sharing that passphrase can in theory decrypt each other 's stuff.For protection against that , you need to do something like create a dummy WPA account .
But you 'd still have the problem of getting the credentials to the users .
Perhaps Windows + OSX + Desktop Linux could get together and standardize on something by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with sharing WiFi is there doesn't seem to be an \_easy\_ way to do it so that your guest's traffic is secure from another guest.I believe that if you use a passphrase that's shared, you need to figure out a way to get the passphrase to the users.
But IIRC all the users sharing that passphrase can in theory decrypt each other's stuff.For protection against that, you need to do something like create a dummy WPA account.
But you'd still have the problem of getting the credentials to the users.
Perhaps Windows+OSX+Desktop Linux could get together and standardize on something by default.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727165</id>
	<title>wardriving</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>so.. they will start mad max like gangs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>so.. they will start mad max like gangs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so.. they will start mad max like gangs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728863</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>sortius\_nod</author>
	<datestamp>1247841480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been doing this for years... except replace knock on door with polite text document on desktop and you'll see what I'm saying.</p><p>Seriously though, if a house or BUSINESS has unsecured wireless, that's the least of their worries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing this for years... except replace knock on door with polite text document on desktop and you 'll see what I 'm saying.Seriously though , if a house or BUSINESS has unsecured wireless , that 's the least of their worries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing this for years... except replace knock on door with polite text document on desktop and you'll see what I'm saying.Seriously though, if a house or BUSINESS has unsecured wireless, that's the least of their worries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728139</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>cthulu\_mt</author>
	<datestamp>1247837520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Feeding the starving children only lets them live long enough to breed more starving children.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Feeding the starving children only lets them live long enough to breed more starving children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feeding the starving children only lets them live long enough to breed more starving children.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727509</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727509</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1247829960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And because in one unlikely, rare event the thing doesn't work out, that means?</p><p>Everything has its downsides. Heck, feeding starving children in Africa probably creates a few fatalities (overeating, getting sick, or being killed when the sack of rice falls on you, whatever). It's just that the net effect is positive.(*)</p><p>(*) let's not discuss the Africa example, I know that in some cases it's not positive, local economy and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And because in one unlikely , rare event the thing does n't work out , that means ? Everything has its downsides .
Heck , feeding starving children in Africa probably creates a few fatalities ( overeating , getting sick , or being killed when the sack of rice falls on you , whatever ) .
It 's just that the net effect is positive .
( * ) ( * ) let 's not discuss the Africa example , I know that in some cases it 's not positive , local economy and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And because in one unlikely, rare event the thing doesn't work out, that means?Everything has its downsides.
Heck, feeding starving children in Africa probably creates a few fatalities (overeating, getting sick, or being killed when the sack of rice falls on you, whatever).
It's just that the net effect is positive.
(*)(*) let's not discuss the Africa example, I know that in some cases it's not positive, local economy and all that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729219</id>
	<title>Re:Find people who donate to charity too</title>
	<author>Locklin</author>
	<datestamp>1247842920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many of the people with open networks are not "donating access," but simply ignorant of the risks. Gaining access to the WLAN means bypassing the hardware firewall protecting most people's old, unpatched windows machines, windows shares, etc.  Education is valuable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of the people with open networks are not " donating access , " but simply ignorant of the risks .
Gaining access to the WLAN means bypassing the hardware firewall protecting most people 's old , unpatched windows machines , windows shares , etc .
Education is valuable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of the people with open networks are not "donating access," but simply ignorant of the risks.
Gaining access to the WLAN means bypassing the hardware firewall protecting most people's old, unpatched windows machines, windows shares, etc.
Education is valuable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247834340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...</p></div><p>How exactly? My car can only be locked with both doors already closed. This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out. So if you wanna lock it without keys from outside, you need one window down (which they wouldn't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on).</p><p>Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise. Still an invasion of my property.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...How exactly ?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed .
This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out .
So if you wan na lock it without keys from outside , you need one window down ( which they would n't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on ) .Plus I do n't want anyone fiddling with my car , good intentions or otherwise .
Still an invasion of my property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the police also lock the cars as well as putting notes on them...How exactly?
My car can only be locked with both doors already closed.
This is a safety to make it impossible for you to be locked out.
So if you wanna lock it without keys from outside, you need one window down (which they wouldn't be able to as the electric motors require the ignition to be on).Plus I don't want anyone fiddling with my car, good intentions or otherwise.
Still an invasion of my property.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728283</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1247838420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you tried locking your doors from the inside and when you close the driver's side door make sure you hold the door handle up as you shut it.  This is what some auto makers implemented as a way to keep you from locking yourself out before keyless entry was near standard equipment.  Having to physically have the door handle open is a last reminder to make sure keys are in hand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried locking your doors from the inside and when you close the driver 's side door make sure you hold the door handle up as you shut it .
This is what some auto makers implemented as a way to keep you from locking yourself out before keyless entry was near standard equipment .
Having to physically have the door handle open is a last reminder to make sure keys are in hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried locking your doors from the inside and when you close the driver's side door make sure you hold the door handle up as you shut it.
This is what some auto makers implemented as a way to keep you from locking yourself out before keyless entry was near standard equipment.
Having to physically have the door handle open is a last reminder to make sure keys are in hand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28729299</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247843280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I disagree. (BTW, you gotta read these funny things on <a href="http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/17-08/by\_open\_wifi" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">wired.)</a> [wired.com] <br>

Reading your past articles I assumed your were "in the biz", but perhaps I was wrong.<br>

IMHO, police are human. They profile every time they blink. Racial, men/women, bias, looking for work, spotty coverage. Where the police go, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White\_flight" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">white flight</a> [wikipedia.org] ensues. <br> <br>

They[police] need to stay put and let us call them. Have an anonymous iPhone app that citizens use to record crime and submit as evidence. What we do is none of their business. If it ain't bothering someone, it ain't a crime. The police never witness anything except speeding, and that will soon be covered by smart-road technology.<br>
<br>
--------------------<br>
Heres a positive step. Submit a speedlimit.<br>
<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Open speedlimits</a> [wikispeedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
( BTW , you got ta read these funny things on wired .
) [ wired.com ] Reading your past articles I assumed your were " in the biz " , but perhaps I was wrong .
IMHO , police are human .
They profile every time they blink .
Racial , men/women , bias , looking for work , spotty coverage .
Where the police go , white flight [ wikipedia.org ] ensues .
They [ police ] need to stay put and let us call them .
Have an anonymous iPhone app that citizens use to record crime and submit as evidence .
What we do is none of their business .
If it ai n't bothering someone , it ai n't a crime .
The police never witness anything except speeding , and that will soon be covered by smart-road technology .
-------------------- Heres a positive step .
Submit a speedlimit .
Open speedlimits [ wikispeedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
(BTW, you gotta read these funny things on wired.
) [wired.com] 

Reading your past articles I assumed your were "in the biz", but perhaps I was wrong.
IMHO, police are human.
They profile every time they blink.
Racial, men/women, bias, looking for work, spotty coverage.
Where the police go, white flight [wikipedia.org] ensues.
They[police] need to stay put and let us call them.
Have an anonymous iPhone app that citizens use to record crime and submit as evidence.
What we do is none of their business.
If it ain't bothering someone, it ain't a crime.
The police never witness anything except speeding, and that will soon be covered by smart-road technology.
--------------------
Heres a positive step.
Submit a speedlimit.
Open speedlimits [wikispeedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731759</id>
	<title>New SSID</title>
	<author>schlick</author>
	<datestamp>1247853720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I lived there I'd be changing my SSID to "Fuck off pigs"</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Knock Knock Knock....   "Right, What's all this then?!?!"</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I lived there I 'd be changing my SSID to " Fuck off pigs " ... Knock Knock Knock.... " Right , What 's all this then ? ! ? !
"  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I lived there I'd be changing my SSID to "Fuck off pigs" ... Knock Knock Knock....   "Right, What's all this then?!?!
"
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727437</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>shird</author>
	<datestamp>1247829120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thieves can check if the cars are unlocked just as easily. Not to mention the notes can easily be left folded on the seat and not visible to passers by.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thieves can check if the cars are unlocked just as easily .
Not to mention the notes can easily be left folded on the seat and not visible to passers by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thieves can check if the cars are unlocked just as easily.
Not to mention the notes can easily be left folded on the seat and not visible to passers by.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727345</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1247828100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Being an old, rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen, and he never left anything in it worth stealing either. It wasn't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it.</p></div></blockquote><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...for his own safety?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Being an old , rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen , and he never left anything in it worth stealing either .
It was n't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it .
...for his own safety ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being an old, rusty and totally worthless looking vehicle it never got stolen, and he never left anything in it worth stealing either.
It wasn't a problem until the cops came along and locked him out of it.
...for his own safety?
;)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727889</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>SnapShot</author>
	<datestamp>1247835300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  I like being able to check my email from my laptop around the city -- sitting outside at the park or at a cafe that doesn't offer wifi -- and I like to return the favor.  Leaving wifi open (within reason) is just being a good neighbor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I like being able to check my email from my laptop around the city -- sitting outside at the park or at a cafe that does n't offer wifi -- and I like to return the favor .
Leaving wifi open ( within reason ) is just being a good neighbor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I like being able to check my email from my laptop around the city -- sitting outside at the park or at a cafe that doesn't offer wifi -- and I like to return the favor.
Leaving wifi open (within reason) is just being a good neighbor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727185</id>
	<title>If I did this, I'd be arrested..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So when a kid demonstrates he can access his school's network or a customer demonstrates that he can get free calls from a phone system, they will be thrown out of school for 'hacking' or arrested for 'theft of service'. But when the police do it, it's fine?</p><p>Whats happening here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So when a kid demonstrates he can access his school 's network or a customer demonstrates that he can get free calls from a phone system , they will be thrown out of school for 'hacking ' or arrested for 'theft of service' .
But when the police do it , it 's fine ? Whats happening here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when a kid demonstrates he can access his school's network or a customer demonstrates that he can get free calls from a phone system, they will be thrown out of school for 'hacking' or arrested for 'theft of service'.
But when the police do it, it's fine?Whats happening here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28752937</id>
	<title>We need the RIAA doing this.</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1248025080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leaving your internet connection open should be a crime because you're making it availasble for child pornographers and terrorists!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leaving your internet connection open should be a crime because you 're making it availasble for child pornographers and terrorists !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leaving your internet connection open should be a crime because you're making it availasble for child pornographers and terrorists!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727261</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's a good service that they are providing.</p><p>What if someone uses your open connection to upload/download child porn? How do you plan on proving that it wasn't you? In this (unlikely) scenario the authorities will most likely get a search warrant and pay you a visit - they won't (or shouldn't) find anything, but having to explain to all your neighbours that they are wrongfully looking for child porn wouldn't be fun - true or not everyone that finds out about it won't consider it a "laughing" matter.</p><p>If you want to share your connection (as I have setup at various friends places) create a private key, share that with the people you trust and also get their MAC addresses for that little extra lock down - this works well for my friends living in units and sharing a single connection with other people within the building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's a good service that they are providing.What if someone uses your open connection to upload/download child porn ?
How do you plan on proving that it was n't you ?
In this ( unlikely ) scenario the authorities will most likely get a search warrant and pay you a visit - they wo n't ( or should n't ) find anything , but having to explain to all your neighbours that they are wrongfully looking for child porn would n't be fun - true or not everyone that finds out about it wo n't consider it a " laughing " matter.If you want to share your connection ( as I have setup at various friends places ) create a private key , share that with the people you trust and also get their MAC addresses for that little extra lock down - this works well for my friends living in units and sharing a single connection with other people within the building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's a good service that they are providing.What if someone uses your open connection to upload/download child porn?
How do you plan on proving that it wasn't you?
In this (unlikely) scenario the authorities will most likely get a search warrant and pay you a visit - they won't (or shouldn't) find anything, but having to explain to all your neighbours that they are wrongfully looking for child porn wouldn't be fun - true or not everyone that finds out about it won't consider it a "laughing" matter.If you want to share your connection (as I have setup at various friends places) create a private key, share that with the people you trust and also get their MAC addresses for that little extra lock down - this works well for my friends living in units and sharing a single connection with other people within the building.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727671</id>
	<title>Re:I smell something sinister</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.</i></p><p>WTF? Of course it is, doofus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come to think about it , it 's not the cops job to prevent crime either.WTF ?
Of course it is , doofus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come to think about it, it's not the cops job to prevent crime either.WTF?
Of course it is, doofus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727639</id>
	<title>Good initiative</title>
	<author>fenring</author>
	<datestamp>1247831940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's a good campaign. After all, how much money and time do you think it takes to cover a neighborhood? A couple of officers could probably do this in a few days.<br>
Nobody said it's illegal and they are not constraining anyone to "secure" their AP. It's just like a patrol passes by and they see you are in some kind of trouble. It's their job to stop and ask if you need any assistance. If somebody wants to keep their wireless open, it will probably cost them a couple of minutes to talk to the police and explain their point of view. On the other hand, if someone is unaware that their internet connection could be used by anyone, I think it's pretty much worth it.<br>
And, if anything, it's just a visit from your friendly police officer. They should do it more often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's a good campaign .
After all , how much money and time do you think it takes to cover a neighborhood ?
A couple of officers could probably do this in a few days .
Nobody said it 's illegal and they are not constraining anyone to " secure " their AP .
It 's just like a patrol passes by and they see you are in some kind of trouble .
It 's their job to stop and ask if you need any assistance .
If somebody wants to keep their wireless open , it will probably cost them a couple of minutes to talk to the police and explain their point of view .
On the other hand , if someone is unaware that their internet connection could be used by anyone , I think it 's pretty much worth it .
And , if anything , it 's just a visit from your friendly police officer .
They should do it more often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's a good campaign.
After all, how much money and time do you think it takes to cover a neighborhood?
A couple of officers could probably do this in a few days.
Nobody said it's illegal and they are not constraining anyone to "secure" their AP.
It's just like a patrol passes by and they see you are in some kind of trouble.
It's their job to stop and ask if you need any assistance.
If somebody wants to keep their wireless open, it will probably cost them a couple of minutes to talk to the police and explain their point of view.
On the other hand, if someone is unaware that their internet connection could be used by anyone, I think it's pretty much worth it.
And, if anything, it's just a visit from your friendly police officer.
They should do it more often.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728743</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247840880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, I don't have valuables in the car; if I have to temporarily (e.g. shopping) I'll keep valuables in the trunk. Locking the doors to a vehicle with nothing inside to steal is stupid, they'll just break the wondow to get in and you'll have a $200 window repair.</p><p>If the cops did that here I'd raise hell about it, and loudly. The cops have even LESS right to touch my car than anyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , I do n't have valuables in the car ; if I have to temporarily ( e.g .
shopping ) I 'll keep valuables in the trunk .
Locking the doors to a vehicle with nothing inside to steal is stupid , they 'll just break the wondow to get in and you 'll have a $ 200 window repair.If the cops did that here I 'd raise hell about it , and loudly .
The cops have even LESS right to touch my car than anyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, I don't have valuables in the car; if I have to temporarily (e.g.
shopping) I'll keep valuables in the trunk.
Locking the doors to a vehicle with nothing inside to steal is stupid, they'll just break the wondow to get in and you'll have a $200 window repair.If the cops did that here I'd raise hell about it, and loudly.
The cops have even LESS right to touch my car than anyone else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730379</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247847780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I must need coffee. I misread this as "I don't mind sharing my wife with complete strangers."</i></p><p>Sounds to me like you need to get laid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must need coffee .
I misread this as " I do n't mind sharing my wife with complete strangers .
" Sounds to me like you need to get laid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must need coffee.
I misread this as "I don't mind sharing my wife with complete strangers.
"Sounds to me like you need to get laid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727285</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>bronney</author>
	<datestamp>1247827320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>never ever talk to a police officer, nothing good will come out of it. Just speak Klingon and ignore them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>never ever talk to a police officer , nothing good will come out of it .
Just speak Klingon and ignore them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>never ever talk to a police officer, nothing good will come out of it.
Just speak Klingon and ignore them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727111</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727271</id>
	<title>What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1247827140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What risks are they exposing themselves to? Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content? How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?
<br> <br>
I think I would warn the cops about the "risks" of coming to my home and harassing me...</htmltext>
<tokenext>What risks are they exposing themselves to ?
Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content ?
How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house ?
I think I would warn the cops about the " risks " of coming to my home and harassing me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What risks are they exposing themselves to?
Does Australia hold carriers responsible for content?
How would a residential open WiFi differ from the free WiFi at a coffee house?
I think I would warn the cops about the "risks" of coming to my home and harassing me...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727703</id>
	<title>This is actually badly needed...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in southern suburbs of brisbane and there are no less than 6 open wifis in my area. All of them have completely default settings, default SSID's and everything. On some of them people have their whole c: driver shared... Usually i print to their printers letting them know, but there are so many I just stopped doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in southern suburbs of brisbane and there are no less than 6 open wifis in my area .
All of them have completely default settings , default SSID 's and everything .
On some of them people have their whole c : driver shared... Usually i print to their printers letting them know , but there are so many I just stopped doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in southern suburbs of brisbane and there are no less than 6 open wifis in my area.
All of them have completely default settings, default SSID's and everything.
On some of them people have their whole c: driver shared... Usually i print to their printers letting them know, but there are so many I just stopped doing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28747245</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1248012900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Naa. You just should go out more often. ^^</p><p>How about taking a day off?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Naa .
You just should go out more often .
^ ^ How about taking a day off ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Naa.
You just should go out more often.
^^How about taking a day off?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727295</id>
	<title>You may be a nutjob....</title>
	<author>PinkyDead</author>
	<datestamp>1247827440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but I agree with you.</p><p>Who the hell are "unnamed corporate partners"?  And why are the police doing anything at their behest?</p><p>I'm not usually paranoid, but something is rotten in the state of Queensland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but I agree with you.Who the hell are " unnamed corporate partners " ?
And why are the police doing anything at their behest ? I 'm not usually paranoid , but something is rotten in the state of Queensland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but I agree with you.Who the hell are "unnamed corporate partners"?
And why are the police doing anything at their behest?I'm not usually paranoid, but something is rotten in the state of Queensland.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727127</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728869</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>JTsyo</author>
	<datestamp>1247841480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you don't know about is the cops that follow afterward to see if anyone is looking at the notes the first set of cops left behind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you do n't know about is the cops that follow afterward to see if anyone is looking at the notes the first set of cops left behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you don't know about is the cops that follow afterward to see if anyone is looking at the notes the first set of cops left behind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728777</id>
	<title>Bizarre Aussie laws</title>
	<author>RHaddon</author>
	<datestamp>1247841060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember when living in Australia in 2005 they introduced a new law in New South Wales that meant you could be fined for leaving your car unlocked!

Australia is very guilty of being a 'Nanny State'</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember when living in Australia in 2005 they introduced a new law in New South Wales that meant you could be fined for leaving your car unlocked !
Australia is very guilty of being a 'Nanny State'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember when living in Australia in 2005 they introduced a new law in New South Wales that meant you could be fined for leaving your car unlocked!
Australia is very guilty of being a 'Nanny State'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727465</id>
	<title>Re:yes and..?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247829420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would you want your next-door neighbor hammering away in bed with your wifi ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you want your next-door neighbor hammering away in bed with your wifi ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you want your next-door neighbor hammering away in bed with your wifi ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727315</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727451</id>
	<title>What an economy Australia must have.</title>
	<author>Badass Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1247829240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It sounds like their police departments are over funded. Maybe they can come and unlock cars for people who lock their keys in.  Or help configure my neighbor's wireless router so we can all share and save money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like their police departments are over funded .
Maybe they can come and unlock cars for people who lock their keys in .
Or help configure my neighbor 's wireless router so we can all share and save money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like their police departments are over funded.
Maybe they can come and unlock cars for people who lock their keys in.
Or help configure my neighbor's wireless router so we can all share and save money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727747</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>JohnnyBGod</author>
	<datestamp>1247833500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, but I'm seeing tons of replies to this and I can't believe no one has asked this question: HOW do the police lock the cars? They'd need keys, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , but I 'm seeing tons of replies to this and I ca n't believe no one has asked this question : HOW do the police lock the cars ?
They 'd need keys , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, but I'm seeing tons of replies to this and I can't believe no one has asked this question: HOW do the police lock the cars?
They'd need keys, no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728025</id>
	<title>Re:Visist Every Residence</title>
	<author>hab136</author>
	<datestamp>1247836620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.</p></div></blockquote><p>The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question, he immediately said "get away from me" before I could even say anything.  He was doing paperwork, FYI.</p><p>I really wish police officers would act as part the community, interacting with us, instead of acting as a separate society, above and over us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business , more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question , he immediately said " get away from me " before I could even say anything .
He was doing paperwork , FYI.I really wish police officers would act as part the community , interacting with us , instead of acting as a separate society , above and over us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also like the idea of police officers visiting every home and place of business, more as a social visit and to establish better ties between the police and civilians.The last time I approached a police officer in public to ask a question, he immediately said "get away from me" before I could even say anything.
He was doing paperwork, FYI.I really wish police officers would act as part the community, interacting with us, instead of acting as a separate society, above and over us.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727115</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28730313</id>
	<title>What exactly are they going to tell these people?</title>
	<author>yuna49</author>
	<datestamp>1247847540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've browsed this whole thread and not once did I see any discussion of what the police might tell this random Australian citizen who has an open wifi router.  "Gee, we think it would be a good idea if you protected that?"  Well, okay, but how?  Will they be carrying instructions for securing all major brands of routers?  What about the wifi hardware on the client computers?  Will they bring along a friendly geek to help the person fix their wifi?  Most people with open wifi didn't choose to make it work that way, they just never bothered to secure it and probably didn't know how.  Will a kindly visit by the Queensland police suddenly improve their network administrative skills?</p><p>Oh, and will they suggest using WPA over WEP?  How about long, mixed alphameric pass phrases? How will they answer the citizen who says, "Thank you, officer, I never knew my wifi was vulnerable.  What should I do to fix it?  Can you help?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've browsed this whole thread and not once did I see any discussion of what the police might tell this random Australian citizen who has an open wifi router .
" Gee , we think it would be a good idea if you protected that ?
" Well , okay , but how ?
Will they be carrying instructions for securing all major brands of routers ?
What about the wifi hardware on the client computers ?
Will they bring along a friendly geek to help the person fix their wifi ?
Most people with open wifi did n't choose to make it work that way , they just never bothered to secure it and probably did n't know how .
Will a kindly visit by the Queensland police suddenly improve their network administrative skills ? Oh , and will they suggest using WPA over WEP ?
How about long , mixed alphameric pass phrases ?
How will they answer the citizen who says , " Thank you , officer , I never knew my wifi was vulnerable .
What should I do to fix it ?
Can you help ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've browsed this whole thread and not once did I see any discussion of what the police might tell this random Australian citizen who has an open wifi router.
"Gee, we think it would be a good idea if you protected that?
"  Well, okay, but how?
Will they be carrying instructions for securing all major brands of routers?
What about the wifi hardware on the client computers?
Will they bring along a friendly geek to help the person fix their wifi?
Most people with open wifi didn't choose to make it work that way, they just never bothered to secure it and probably didn't know how.
Will a kindly visit by the Queensland police suddenly improve their network administrative skills?Oh, and will they suggest using WPA over WEP?
How about long, mixed alphameric pass phrases?
How will they answer the citizen who says, "Thank you, officer, I never knew my wifi was vulnerable.
What should I do to fix it?
Can you help?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28731173</id>
	<title>Re:What "risks"???</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1247851020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Watch out, Fox News pointed out the dangers of nintedo DS having wireless <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpgUPNSRPI" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpgUPNSRPI</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch out , Fox News pointed out the dangers of nintedo DS having wireless http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = orpgUPNSRPI [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch out, Fox News pointed out the dangers of nintedo DS having wireless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orpgUPNSRPI [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727651</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28728807</id>
	<title>Re:Aiding and Abetting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247841180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only do I leave mine open, but I actually changed the SSID to my address. (Probably unnecessary, since the antenna doesn't reach further than one house in either direction, but eh.) My neighbor, on the other hand, his unsecured network is called "linksys" and he probably doesn't intend for it to be unsecured. I've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down, used for it the better part of a day without noticing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only do I leave mine open , but I actually changed the SSID to my address .
( Probably unnecessary , since the antenna does n't reach further than one house in either direction , but eh .
) My neighbor , on the other hand , his unsecured network is called " linksys " and he probably does n't intend for it to be unsecured .
I 've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down , used for it the better part of a day without noticing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only do I leave mine open, but I actually changed the SSID to my address.
(Probably unnecessary, since the antenna doesn't reach further than one house in either direction, but eh.
) My neighbor, on the other hand, his unsecured network is called "linksys" and he probably doesn't intend for it to be unsecured.
I've actually accidentally connected to it when my connection went down, used for it the better part of a day without noticing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_0527203.28727151</id>
	<title>thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
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