<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_15_1314253</id>
	<title>New Service Converts Torrents Into PNG Images</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247665320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jamie points out that a new web service, <a href="http://www.hid.im/">hid.im</a>, will <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/hidim-converts-torrents-into-png-images-090714/">encode a torrent into a PNG image file</a>, allowing it to be shared easily through forums or image hosting sites. Quoting TorrentFreak:
<i>"We have to admit that the usefulness of the service escaped us when we first discovered the project. So, we contacted Michael Nutt, one of the people running the project to find out what it's all about. 'It is an attempt to make torrents more resilient,' Michael told [us]. 'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file. Many forums will allow uploading images but not other types of files.' Hiding a torrent file inside an image is easy enough. Just select a torrent file stored on your local hard drive and Hid.im will take care the rest. The only limit to the service is that the size of the torrent file cannot exceed 250KB. ... People on the receiving end can decode the images and get the original .torrent file through a Firefox extension or bookmarklet. The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jamie points out that a new web service , hid.im , will encode a torrent into a PNG image file , allowing it to be shared easily through forums or image hosting sites .
Quoting TorrentFreak : " We have to admit that the usefulness of the service escaped us when we first discovered the project .
So , we contacted Michael Nutt , one of the people running the project to find out what it 's all about .
'It is an attempt to make torrents more resilient, ' Michael told [ us ] .
'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file .
Many forums will allow uploading images but not other types of files .
' Hiding a torrent file inside an image is easy enough .
Just select a torrent file stored on your local hard drive and Hid.im will take care the rest .
The only limit to the service is that the size of the torrent file can not exceed 250KB .
... People on the receiving end can decode the images and get the original .torrent file through a Firefox extension or bookmarklet .
The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jamie points out that a new web service, hid.im, will encode a torrent into a PNG image file, allowing it to be shared easily through forums or image hosting sites.
Quoting TorrentFreak:
"We have to admit that the usefulness of the service escaped us when we first discovered the project.
So, we contacted Michael Nutt, one of the people running the project to find out what it's all about.
'It is an attempt to make torrents more resilient,' Michael told [us].
'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file.
Many forums will allow uploading images but not other types of files.
' Hiding a torrent file inside an image is easy enough.
Just select a torrent file stored on your local hard drive and Hid.im will take care the rest.
The only limit to the service is that the size of the torrent file cannot exceed 250KB.
... People on the receiving end can decode the images and get the original .torrent file through a Firefox extension or bookmarklet.
The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703539</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1247672940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the purpose of this is that you can put up a torrent, go to your favourite forum, and say "Hey, here's the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent for (some content)".</p><p>Forums generally provide a means to embed pictures, but not other filetypes, such as torrents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the purpose of this is that you can put up a torrent , go to your favourite forum , and say " Hey , here 's the .torrent for ( some content ) " .Forums generally provide a means to embed pictures , but not other filetypes , such as torrents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the purpose of this is that you can put up a torrent, go to your favourite forum, and say "Hey, here's the .torrent for (some content)".Forums generally provide a means to embed pictures, but not other filetypes, such as torrents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705457</id>
	<title>Doesn't matter if software can detect THIS version</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247682420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>all reputable ones will decline to host those images.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, it's detectable.  But I think a lot of site maintainers have better things to do, than continuously work on the image-that's-not-used-as-an-image format <i>du jour.</i>  If an image file decodes as an image file, then as a programmer <em>I am done worrying about it</em>, except for maybe secondary things, like "does the width cause it to fuck up the layout so that it needs rescaling?"  It doesn't take much to sneak this by <em>me.</em>  And that's not technical incompetence (flame me for my real mistakes (there are lot) but not this); it's just that blocking images based on possible meanings of their pixels, isn't something worth spending <strong>infinite</strong> time on.</p><p>Programmers are not going to play whack-a-mole.  Turn this into whack-a-mole, and you've beaten me.  I whitelist image files that behave like image files.  I am not going to maintain (i.e. spend <em>recurring</em> time on) a blacklist.</p><p>At that point, maybe a human moderator might decide, "This image makes no sense," and see it as spam or something, and delete it.  But that person isn't someone who keeps up with all the latest tech fluff and isn't going to know it's a torrent.  The software <em>could</em> know it's a torrent and explain it to the moderator, but like I said, I'm not going to bother, because once I set down that road, it's a continuous job to keep up, and that's time I could spend doing real work instead.</p><p>If the hosting site doesn't <em>have</em> human moderators that are looking at the images and saying, "I don't get it, this was a discussion thread about lawnmowers, why did some user post a comment containing a picture of random colorful snow?" then it's not going to get blocked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>all reputable ones will decline to host those images.Yes , it 's detectable .
But I think a lot of site maintainers have better things to do , than continuously work on the image-that 's-not-used-as-an-image format du jour .
If an image file decodes as an image file , then as a programmer I am done worrying about it , except for maybe secondary things , like " does the width cause it to fuck up the layout so that it needs rescaling ?
" It does n't take much to sneak this by me .
And that 's not technical incompetence ( flame me for my real mistakes ( there are lot ) but not this ) ; it 's just that blocking images based on possible meanings of their pixels , is n't something worth spending infinite time on.Programmers are not going to play whack-a-mole .
Turn this into whack-a-mole , and you 've beaten me .
I whitelist image files that behave like image files .
I am not going to maintain ( i.e .
spend recurring time on ) a blacklist.At that point , maybe a human moderator might decide , " This image makes no sense , " and see it as spam or something , and delete it .
But that person is n't someone who keeps up with all the latest tech fluff and is n't going to know it 's a torrent .
The software could know it 's a torrent and explain it to the moderator , but like I said , I 'm not going to bother , because once I set down that road , it 's a continuous job to keep up , and that 's time I could spend doing real work instead.If the hosting site does n't have human moderators that are looking at the images and saying , " I do n't get it , this was a discussion thread about lawnmowers , why did some user post a comment containing a picture of random colorful snow ?
" then it 's not going to get blocked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all reputable ones will decline to host those images.Yes, it's detectable.
But I think a lot of site maintainers have better things to do, than continuously work on the image-that's-not-used-as-an-image format du jour.
If an image file decodes as an image file, then as a programmer I am done worrying about it, except for maybe secondary things, like "does the width cause it to fuck up the layout so that it needs rescaling?
"  It doesn't take much to sneak this by me.
And that's not technical incompetence (flame me for my real mistakes (there are lot) but not this); it's just that blocking images based on possible meanings of their pixels, isn't something worth spending infinite time on.Programmers are not going to play whack-a-mole.
Turn this into whack-a-mole, and you've beaten me.
I whitelist image files that behave like image files.
I am not going to maintain (i.e.
spend recurring time on) a blacklist.At that point, maybe a human moderator might decide, "This image makes no sense," and see it as spam or something, and delete it.
But that person isn't someone who keeps up with all the latest tech fluff and isn't going to know it's a torrent.
The software could know it's a torrent and explain it to the moderator, but like I said, I'm not going to bother, because once I set down that road, it's a continuous job to keep up, and that's time I could spend doing real work instead.If the hosting site doesn't have human moderators that are looking at the images and saying, "I don't get it, this was a discussion thread about lawnmowers, why did some user post a comment containing a picture of random colorful snow?
" then it's not going to get blocked.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703451</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703525</id>
	<title>Binaries</title>
	<author>jkxx</author>
	<datestamp>1247672820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll be impressed when they start hiding torrents in EXE files, like with hydan. Bloated installer archives (Nvidia drivers being a good example) should make for nice carriers for this. Or even better, expand to making it possible to hide the info in any kind of file.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be impressed when they start hiding torrents in EXE files , like with hydan .
Bloated installer archives ( Nvidia drivers being a good example ) should make for nice carriers for this .
Or even better , expand to making it possible to hide the info in any kind of file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be impressed when they start hiding torrents in EXE files, like with hydan.
Bloated installer archives (Nvidia drivers being a good example) should make for nice carriers for this.
Or even better, expand to making it possible to hide the info in any kind of file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28710343</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>merreborn</author>
	<datestamp>1247662200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, but the host serving the images doesn't have to have the text.</p><p>This has already happened with rapidshare and other similar services.  Files with obvious names ("New Metallica Album.rar") don't usually last long.  Users have since taken to posting content using increasingly obscure filenames.  They simply post links to these files on other sites, with summaries of what they contain.</p><p>Similarly, you could host a bunch of data-laden images on flickr with completely unhelpful filenames and descriptions, and provide a directory on another site.</p><p>The point is to get a 3rd party service to publicly serve your data for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hosting a bunch of images does n't do any good unless you have a text ( or at least searchable ) description of what you 're downloading.Yes , but the host serving the images does n't have to have the text.This has already happened with rapidshare and other similar services .
Files with obvious names ( " New Metallica Album.rar " ) do n't usually last long .
Users have since taken to posting content using increasingly obscure filenames .
They simply post links to these files on other sites , with summaries of what they contain.Similarly , you could host a bunch of data-laden images on flickr with completely unhelpful filenames and descriptions , and provide a directory on another site.The point is to get a 3rd party service to publicly serve your data for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.Yes, but the host serving the images doesn't have to have the text.This has already happened with rapidshare and other similar services.
Files with obvious names ("New Metallica Album.rar") don't usually last long.
Users have since taken to posting content using increasingly obscure filenames.
They simply post links to these files on other sites, with summaries of what they contain.Similarly, you could host a bunch of data-laden images on flickr with completely unhelpful filenames and descriptions, and provide a directory on another site.The point is to get a 3rd party service to publicly serve your data for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28706335</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>mattstorer</author>
	<datestamp>1247686260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>huh, so the app doesn't even do any form of steganography at all - anyone looking at the image can clearly tell it's not a regular image.

probably overwrites all 8 bits of each red, green, and blue color channel with the payload.  if you want the app to actually hide the torrent, you have to take a regular PNG, and overwrite only the least N significant bits of each color channel with the payload.  the more bits you overwrite, the more payload you can store, but eventually (overwriting around 4 or 5 bits per color channel) the image begins to get all grainy and you can pretty easily tell there's something going on with it.  overwriting all 8 bits generates an image like the example linked to in parent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>huh , so the app does n't even do any form of steganography at all - anyone looking at the image can clearly tell it 's not a regular image .
probably overwrites all 8 bits of each red , green , and blue color channel with the payload .
if you want the app to actually hide the torrent , you have to take a regular PNG , and overwrite only the least N significant bits of each color channel with the payload .
the more bits you overwrite , the more payload you can store , but eventually ( overwriting around 4 or 5 bits per color channel ) the image begins to get all grainy and you can pretty easily tell there 's something going on with it .
overwriting all 8 bits generates an image like the example linked to in parent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>huh, so the app doesn't even do any form of steganography at all - anyone looking at the image can clearly tell it's not a regular image.
probably overwrites all 8 bits of each red, green, and blue color channel with the payload.
if you want the app to actually hide the torrent, you have to take a regular PNG, and overwrite only the least N significant bits of each color channel with the payload.
the more bits you overwrite, the more payload you can store, but eventually (overwriting around 4 or 5 bits per color channel) the image begins to get all grainy and you can pretty easily tell there's something going on with it.
overwriting all 8 bits generates an image like the example linked to in parent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702807</id>
	<title>wait wait wait...</title>
	<author>Rooked\_One</author>
	<datestamp>1247669100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?<br> <br>I'm just utterly shocked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out " the man " and get away with it ?
I 'm just utterly shocked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?
I'm just utterly shocked.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702783</id>
	<title>The race is on...</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1247668980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
<b>The.Black.Hole.1979.dvdrip.xvid.torrent -&gt; goatse.png</b> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you know you want to.<br> <br>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The.Black.Hole.1979.dvdrip.xvid.torrent - &gt; goatse.png ... you know you want to .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The.Black.Hole.1979.dvdrip.xvid.torrent -&gt; goatse.png  ... you know you want to.
.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703217</id>
	<title>The REAL Da Vinci Code</title>
	<author>Blixinator</author>
	<datestamp>1247671260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Take a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.png of the Mona Lisa and convert it to a torrent and it downloads several thousand hours of voice notes by Da Vinci... and porn</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a .png of the Mona Lisa and convert it to a torrent and it downloads several thousand hours of voice notes by Da Vinci... and porn</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a .png of the Mona Lisa and convert it to a torrent and it downloads several thousand hours of voice notes by Da Vinci... and porn</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28716555</id>
	<title>Way to do it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247758500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the moment people are afraid that companies can track them down using IP logs, contacting ISPs to obtain their details and then trying to sue. But that could easily change if someone came up with a worm which participates in p2p sharing on infected machines and imitates various p2p clients.</p><p>It would give really strong argument to people trying to defend themselves from these companies, by saying they had infection.</p><p>What do you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the moment people are afraid that companies can track them down using IP logs , contacting ISPs to obtain their details and then trying to sue .
But that could easily change if someone came up with a worm which participates in p2p sharing on infected machines and imitates various p2p clients.It would give really strong argument to people trying to defend themselves from these companies , by saying they had infection.What do you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the moment people are afraid that companies can track them down using IP logs, contacting ISPs to obtain their details and then trying to sue.
But that could easily change if someone came up with a worm which participates in p2p sharing on infected machines and imitates various p2p clients.It would give really strong argument to people trying to defend themselves from these companies, by saying they had infection.What do you think?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704419</id>
	<title>Re:Good for small torrents maybe, but...</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1247677860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who can't determine whether you're trying to be funny or if you're just being confused?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who ca n't determine whether you 're trying to be funny or if you 're just being confused ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who can't determine whether you're trying to be funny or if you're just being confused?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703423</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703455</id>
	<title>Re:Just make sure your image hosting site...</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1247672400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the content will be affected by tag modifications.</p><p>These are pretty small images (one of the samples is 380x32) so rescaling isn't going to happen unless it's a deliberate attack on this technique. But there are far easier attacks if you're explicitly trying to block this exact technique.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the content will be affected by tag modifications.These are pretty small images ( one of the samples is 380x32 ) so rescaling is n't going to happen unless it 's a deliberate attack on this technique .
But there are far easier attacks if you 're explicitly trying to block this exact technique .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the content will be affected by tag modifications.These are pretty small images (one of the samples is 380x32) so rescaling isn't going to happen unless it's a deliberate attack on this technique.
But there are far easier attacks if you're explicitly trying to block this exact technique.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702815</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702793</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1247669040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No "steganography" tag yet?</p><p>Slashdot, I'm disappointed in you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No " steganography " tag yet ? Slashdot , I 'm disappointed in you .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No "steganography" tag yet?Slashdot, I'm disappointed in you.
:P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703191</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1247671200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's still a valid PNG, so it shouldn't crash IE when you open it. Based on the examples then it looks ugly as hell (it's more "render the file as-is but interpret as RGBA colours in a PNG" than "discretely hide the important data in some way" ala Spore's creature photos), but it is still an image.</p><p>That said, I wouldn't trust some versions of IE not to choke on standard 32-bit PNGs anyway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's still a valid PNG , so it should n't crash IE when you open it .
Based on the examples then it looks ugly as hell ( it 's more " render the file as-is but interpret as RGBA colours in a PNG " than " discretely hide the important data in some way " ala Spore 's creature photos ) , but it is still an image.That said , I would n't trust some versions of IE not to choke on standard 32-bit PNGs anyway : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's still a valid PNG, so it shouldn't crash IE when you open it.
Based on the examples then it looks ugly as hell (it's more "render the file as-is but interpret as RGBA colours in a PNG" than "discretely hide the important data in some way" ala Spore's creature photos), but it is still an image.That said, I wouldn't trust some versions of IE not to choke on standard 32-bit PNGs anyway :D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703005</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703717</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>Fross</author>
	<datestamp>1247674140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's open source, go for it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's open source , go for it .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's open source, go for it.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704155</id>
	<title>Re:Why not rob a bank instead?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247676600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be a welcome change from the banks robbing us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be a welcome change from the banks robbing us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be a welcome change from the banks robbing us.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28711137</id>
	<title>Steps to prevent trivial decoding by adversaries?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247667420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As mentioned by others, what are potentially reasonable methods for keying the input data to prevent trivial decoding, while providing decent usability?</p><p>One half assed way would be encoding using the DNS name of the intended image hosting service as a kind of salt, which would allow the firefox plugin to quickly pick up the salt based on the URL, but that wouldn't really help prevent the image hoster from decoding the image, only when the image is stored on an unintended server with a different DNS name. To preent the original image hoster from doing trivial decoding, there would have be some sort of contextual separation of the salt/key, maybe a comment tag or field which contains the actual text key. I suppose for a firefox plugin, right click an image to activate the plugin, and then you would be prompted to select a section of text for the key.</p><p>Another related idea is being able to use a preexisting image and modify/distort it. The problem with this is there would need to be a reference unmodified image to detect and determine the distortions and reverse them to decode the data. Because of the payload size issue, it would have to be a fairly large image to begin with, which is somewhat unattractive.</p><p>Host-proof hosting concepts really are hard to implement in reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As mentioned by others , what are potentially reasonable methods for keying the input data to prevent trivial decoding , while providing decent usability ? One half assed way would be encoding using the DNS name of the intended image hosting service as a kind of salt , which would allow the firefox plugin to quickly pick up the salt based on the URL , but that would n't really help prevent the image hoster from decoding the image , only when the image is stored on an unintended server with a different DNS name .
To preent the original image hoster from doing trivial decoding , there would have be some sort of contextual separation of the salt/key , maybe a comment tag or field which contains the actual text key .
I suppose for a firefox plugin , right click an image to activate the plugin , and then you would be prompted to select a section of text for the key.Another related idea is being able to use a preexisting image and modify/distort it .
The problem with this is there would need to be a reference unmodified image to detect and determine the distortions and reverse them to decode the data .
Because of the payload size issue , it would have to be a fairly large image to begin with , which is somewhat unattractive.Host-proof hosting concepts really are hard to implement in reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As mentioned by others, what are potentially reasonable methods for keying the input data to prevent trivial decoding, while providing decent usability?One half assed way would be encoding using the DNS name of the intended image hosting service as a kind of salt, which would allow the firefox plugin to quickly pick up the salt based on the URL, but that wouldn't really help prevent the image hoster from decoding the image, only when the image is stored on an unintended server with a different DNS name.
To preent the original image hoster from doing trivial decoding, there would have be some sort of contextual separation of the salt/key, maybe a comment tag or field which contains the actual text key.
I suppose for a firefox plugin, right click an image to activate the plugin, and then you would be prompted to select a section of text for the key.Another related idea is being able to use a preexisting image and modify/distort it.
The problem with this is there would need to be a reference unmodified image to detect and determine the distortions and reverse them to decode the data.
Because of the payload size issue, it would have to be a fairly large image to begin with, which is somewhat unattractive.Host-proof hosting concepts really are hard to implement in reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704601</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>Divide By Zero</author>
	<datestamp>1247678820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They say if you stare at it long enough, you can see a sailboat in some weird 3D, but I'm not convinced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They say if you stare at it long enough , you can see a sailboat in some weird 3D , but I 'm not convinced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They say if you stare at it long enough, you can see a sailboat in some weird 3D, but I'm not convinced.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705069</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247680980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&lt;img src="image.png" alt="associated text"/&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext></tokentext>
<sentencetext></sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703167</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703201</id>
	<title>PNG vs JPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>OMG, who uses PNG files?! The compression routine is rubbish!</p></div></blockquote><p>
Who cares about this small difference in file size? PNG is compressing images <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable\_Network\_Graphics" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">lossless</a> [wikipedia.org], supports alpha transparency and you do not have to worry about copyrighted parts of the implementation (it's free not just as in beer). Who cares if the files might be (but must not) 10\% larger? Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)
</p><p>
Kind regards,<br>
-S</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , who uses PNG files ? !
The compression routine is rubbish !
Who cares about this small difference in file size ?
PNG is compressing images lossless [ wikipedia.org ] , supports alpha transparency and you do not have to worry about copyrighted parts of the implementation ( it 's free not just as in beer ) .
Who cares if the files might be ( but must not ) 10 \ % larger ?
Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefit ; ) Kind regards , -S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, who uses PNG files?!
The compression routine is rubbish!
Who cares about this small difference in file size?
PNG is compressing images lossless [wikipedia.org], supports alpha transparency and you do not have to worry about copyrighted parts of the implementation (it's free not just as in beer).
Who cares if the files might be (but must not) 10\% larger?
Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefit ;)

Kind regards,
-S
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703963</id>
	<title>I'm waiting for larger file support</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1247675640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>250k? Instead of images, they should move to a file that's naturally larger and gives them more room to work... like movies! I can't wait until one movie is hidden inside another. Like I can download "The Fast and the Furious" but it's actually got "3:10 to Yuma" inside. Then maybe they can make a VLC plugin so when I open the container movie I see the hidden movie instead.</p><p>Somebody quick, <a href="http://yoyodawgdawg.com/pics/yo-dawg-forks.jpg" title="yoyodawgdawg.com">get XZibit on this right away!</a> [yoyodawgdawg.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>250k ?
Instead of images , they should move to a file that 's naturally larger and gives them more room to work... like movies !
I ca n't wait until one movie is hidden inside another .
Like I can download " The Fast and the Furious " but it 's actually got " 3 : 10 to Yuma " inside .
Then maybe they can make a VLC plugin so when I open the container movie I see the hidden movie instead.Somebody quick , get XZibit on this right away !
[ yoyodawgdawg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>250k?
Instead of images, they should move to a file that's naturally larger and gives them more room to work... like movies!
I can't wait until one movie is hidden inside another.
Like I can download "The Fast and the Furious" but it's actually got "3:10 to Yuma" inside.
Then maybe they can make a VLC plugin so when I open the container movie I see the hidden movie instead.Somebody quick, get XZibit on this right away!
[yoyodawgdawg.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703781</id>
	<title>Off Topic Sig Correction</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1247674500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no way to send PMs here AFAICT, so here goes:</p><p>- Censorship is obscene.</p><p>Show goatse to your children, and let me know how that goes for you.  i hope you don't have children.  Or, make it your computer wall paper at work.</p><p>- Patriotism is bigotry.</p><p>Which would mean that loving your family is bigotry.  Patriotism is nothing like bigotry (or racism).  Bigotry and racism are about fear.  Patriotism is about pride and love.  Some people take patriotism too far and into the realm of nationalism, patriotism's evil little brother.  Don't confuse the two.</p><p>- Slashdot 2.0 sucks.</p><p>Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such.  Try something more adult, like... "I don't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y".</p><p>And no, i won't be reading your whiny ass response.  Try to learn and grow.  Maybe be a bit less cynical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way to send PMs here AFAICT , so here goes : - Censorship is obscene.Show goatse to your children , and let me know how that goes for you .
i hope you do n't have children .
Or , make it your computer wall paper at work.- Patriotism is bigotry.Which would mean that loving your family is bigotry .
Patriotism is nothing like bigotry ( or racism ) .
Bigotry and racism are about fear .
Patriotism is about pride and love .
Some people take patriotism too far and into the realm of nationalism , patriotism 's evil little brother .
Do n't confuse the two.- Slashdot 2.0 sucks.Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such .
Try something more adult , like... " I do n't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y " .And no , i wo n't be reading your whiny ass response .
Try to learn and grow .
Maybe be a bit less cynical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way to send PMs here AFAICT, so here goes:- Censorship is obscene.Show goatse to your children, and let me know how that goes for you.
i hope you don't have children.
Or, make it your computer wall paper at work.- Patriotism is bigotry.Which would mean that loving your family is bigotry.
Patriotism is nothing like bigotry (or racism).
Bigotry and racism are about fear.
Patriotism is about pride and love.
Some people take patriotism too far and into the realm of nationalism, patriotism's evil little brother.
Don't confuse the two.- Slashdot 2.0 sucks.Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such.
Try something more adult, like... "I don't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y".And no, i won't be reading your whiny ass response.
Try to learn and grow.
Maybe be a bit less cynical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703429</id>
	<title>*WHOOSH*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be the joke, going over your head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be the joke , going over your head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be the joke, going over your head.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28716291</id>
	<title>Captcha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247757240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine image hosting sites will have a hell of a time if you encrypt the torrent portion and add the key to the image. Imagine slapping a captcha on the image which is used to decode the contents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine image hosting sites will have a hell of a time if you encrypt the torrent portion and add the key to the image .
Imagine slapping a captcha on the image which is used to decode the contents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine image hosting sites will have a hell of a time if you encrypt the torrent portion and add the key to the image.
Imagine slapping a captcha on the image which is used to decode the contents.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704897</id>
	<title>Re:WARNING! Your toddlers might violate a Patent!</title>
	<author>glodime</author>
	<datestamp>1247680380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>WARNING! Your toddlers might violate a Patent! <a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/22yk38" title="tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/22yk38</a> [tinyurl.com] </p></div><p>My parents have evidence of my prior art dating back to the mid 1980s on VHS-C. I'd show you but the cassette adapter is broken.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WARNING !
Your toddlers might violate a Patent !
http : //preview.tinyurl.com/22yk38 [ tinyurl.com ] My parents have evidence of my prior art dating back to the mid 1980s on VHS-C. I 'd show you but the cassette adapter is broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WARNING!
Your toddlers might violate a Patent!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/22yk38 [tinyurl.com] My parents have evidence of my prior art dating back to the mid 1980s on VHS-C. I'd show you but the cassette adapter is broken.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702937</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703733</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1247674200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'primary' version is a bookmarklet (they built a Firefox plugin because the Firefox file save dialog won't accept a nice filename for the torrent). The core functionality is 250 lines (sort of, much of it is whitespace or other noise):</p><p><a href="http://github.com/mnutt/hid.im/blob/ce9750f16c2e12f8f93e97ea7f73edb0e302b22e/public/javascripts/read\_png.js" title="github.com" rel="nofollow">http://github.com/mnutt/hid.im/blob/ce9750f16c2e12f8f93e97ea7f73edb0e302b22e/public/javascripts/read\_png.js</a> [github.com]</p><p>So I would think that the availability of tools will be pretty good if the concept catches on much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'primary ' version is a bookmarklet ( they built a Firefox plugin because the Firefox file save dialog wo n't accept a nice filename for the torrent ) .
The core functionality is 250 lines ( sort of , much of it is whitespace or other noise ) : http : //github.com/mnutt/hid.im/blob/ce9750f16c2e12f8f93e97ea7f73edb0e302b22e/public/javascripts/read \ _png.js [ github.com ] So I would think that the availability of tools will be pretty good if the concept catches on much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'primary' version is a bookmarklet (they built a Firefox plugin because the Firefox file save dialog won't accept a nice filename for the torrent).
The core functionality is 250 lines (sort of, much of it is whitespace or other noise):http://github.com/mnutt/hid.im/blob/ce9750f16c2e12f8f93e97ea7f73edb0e302b22e/public/javascripts/read\_png.js [github.com]So I would think that the availability of tools will be pretty good if the concept catches on much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704883</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>gknoy</author>
	<datestamp>1247680260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was a very interesting article you linked to -- thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a very interesting article you linked to -- thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a very interesting article you linked to -- thanks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704035</id>
	<title>Mod peers up</title>
	<author>AlpineR</author>
	<datestamp>1247675940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seven informative responses and not a mod point to spend. Maybe every logged in user should get a half mod point to spend every day. If two of those seven spent a tenth as long modding as talking, the misunderstanding would be corrected and closed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seven informative responses and not a mod point to spend .
Maybe every logged in user should get a half mod point to spend every day .
If two of those seven spent a tenth as long modding as talking , the misunderstanding would be corrected and closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seven informative responses and not a mod point to spend.
Maybe every logged in user should get a half mod point to spend every day.
If two of those seven spent a tenth as long modding as talking, the misunderstanding would be corrected and closed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703005</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702937</id>
	<title>Won't work well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents inside (it shouldn't be hard, just try to decode the torrent, and if you succeed, reject the image). Or alternatively, to implement software which destroys the included torrent before putting the image online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents inside ( it should n't be hard , just try to decode the torrent , and if you succeed , reject the image ) .
Or alternatively , to implement software which destroys the included torrent before putting the image online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents inside (it shouldn't be hard, just try to decode the torrent, and if you succeed, reject the image).
Or alternatively, to implement software which destroys the included torrent before putting the image online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703321</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1247671800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if only there was user contributed website that contained listings of most media content!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if only there was user contributed website that contained listings of most media content !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if only there was user contributed website that contained listings of most media content!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705003</id>
	<title>What's the point of .torrent files?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247680800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can put my ed2k and magnet links right in here. No problem at all.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>ed2k://|file|[DivX - ENG] Monty Python And The Holy Grail 1975.avi|734478336|DD25EDAE3F63726F19C9B86CE4F117DE|/</p><p>What a great technology from... 2000! ^^</p><p>In my opinion, BitTorrent was a huge step backwards. Imagine if Bram Cohen had created some darknet (which would be the logical next step) with the same success instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can put my ed2k and magnet links right in here .
No problem at all .
: ) ed2k : // | file | [ DivX - ENG ] Monty Python And The Holy Grail 1975.avi | 734478336 | DD25EDAE3F63726F19C9B86CE4F117DE | /What a great technology from... 2000 ! ^ ^ In my opinion , BitTorrent was a huge step backwards .
Imagine if Bram Cohen had created some darknet ( which would be the logical next step ) with the same success instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can put my ed2k and magnet links right in here.
No problem at all.
:)ed2k://|file|[DivX - ENG] Monty Python And The Holy Grail 1975.avi|734478336|DD25EDAE3F63726F19C9B86CE4F117DE|/What a great technology from... 2000! ^^In my opinion, BitTorrent was a huge step backwards.
Imagine if Bram Cohen had created some darknet (which would be the logical next step) with the same success instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703177</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work well</title>
	<author>Smidge204</author>
	<datestamp>1247671140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't destroy the torrent before putting the image online, because it's not steganography. You're not embedding the torrent data in an existing image, you're converting the torrent data into a visual representation.</p><p>The images just look like random colored patterns when viewed normally.<br>=Smidge=</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't destroy the torrent before putting the image online , because it 's not steganography .
You 're not embedding the torrent data in an existing image , you 're converting the torrent data into a visual representation.The images just look like random colored patterns when viewed normally. = Smidge =</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't destroy the torrent before putting the image online, because it's not steganography.
You're not embedding the torrent data in an existing image, you're converting the torrent data into a visual representation.The images just look like random colored patterns when viewed normally.=Smidge=</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705183</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247681400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make it yourself, fucko</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make it yourself , fucko</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make it yourself, fucko</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702927</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704389</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247677800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone can then use slashdot's search feature</p></div></blockquote><p>I take it you've never actually tried to use slashdot's search function.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone can then use slashdot 's search featureI take it you 've never actually tried to use slashdot 's search function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone can then use slashdot's search featureI take it you've never actually tried to use slashdot's search function.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703451</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707649</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247649180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"...a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn."</i></p><p>That is the solution.</p><p>The image shows you what's on the torrent.  You can't list it as a specific band or album in the text or tags, but you can tag the post as "music, rock, metal" then use your eyes, just like you always do, to find what you are looking for.  Search for a movie, you search for the year and genre, then eye-ball the results and see if you find the corresponding movie poster image, or a still that is from the movie torrent itself so you can see the quality.  You may be able to put the title as a grapic in the image that you can see.</p><p>This way, the torrents are hidden from specific, direct text based web searches yet still relatively easy to find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...a picture of the band 's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn .
" That is the solution.The image shows you what 's on the torrent .
You ca n't list it as a specific band or album in the text or tags , but you can tag the post as " music , rock , metal " then use your eyes , just like you always do , to find what you are looking for .
Search for a movie , you search for the year and genre , then eye-ball the results and see if you find the corresponding movie poster image , or a still that is from the movie torrent itself so you can see the quality .
You may be able to put the title as a grapic in the image that you can see.This way , the torrents are hidden from specific , direct text based web searches yet still relatively easy to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn.
"That is the solution.The image shows you what's on the torrent.
You can't list it as a specific band or album in the text or tags, but you can tag the post as "music, rock, metal" then use your eyes, just like you always do, to find what you are looking for.
Search for a movie, you search for the year and genre, then eye-ball the results and see if you find the corresponding movie poster image, or a still that is from the movie torrent itself so you can see the quality.
You may be able to put the title as a grapic in the image that you can see.This way, the torrents are hidden from specific, direct text based web searches yet still relatively easy to find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28711341</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1247669100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>        If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site. all reputable ones will decline to host those images. the torrents might be legal ones, but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why not?  Any image hosting site that accepts any image that someone uploads to it is already full of copyright violations as it stands now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site .
all reputable ones will decline to host those images .
the torrents might be legal ones , but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods.Why not ?
Any image hosting site that accepts any image that someone uploads to it is already full of copyright violations as it stands now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site.
all reputable ones will decline to host those images.
the torrents might be legal ones, but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods.Why not?
Any image hosting site that accepts any image that someone uploads to it is already full of copyright violations as it stands now.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703079</id>
	<title>Alternatively</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247670600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't you just use the comments section of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.tif file instead?  At least then the picture could still look like kittens instead of a broken magic eye.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't you just use the comments section of a .tif file instead ?
At least then the picture could still look like kittens instead of a broken magic eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't you just use the comments section of a .tif file instead?
At least then the picture could still look like kittens instead of a broken magic eye.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705371</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1247682060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file.</i></p><p>It's not a lie - the images are valid PNG images. Look at them - they look like random color noise - but they are perfectly renderable, spec-compliant PNG images of random noise. (torrent data)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata , and I do n't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file.It 's not a lie - the images are valid PNG images .
Look at them - they look like random color noise - but they are perfectly renderable , spec-compliant PNG images of random noise .
( torrent data )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file.It's not a lie - the images are valid PNG images.
Look at them - they look like random color noise - but they are perfectly renderable, spec-compliant PNG images of random noise.
(torrent data)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704395</id>
	<title>How about torrent hosting?</title>
	<author>iYk6</author>
	<datestamp>1247677800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this solution seem worthless to anybody else? It is less convenient to the users who have to download it, and it is full of potential problems, such as image hosting sites scanning their images for stuff like this and banning them, or simply resizing or compressing the images, and therefore corrupting the hidden data.</p><p>This solution is less convenient than the current one, which is to upload a torrent to a torrent hosting service, such as TPB or MiniNova, and then providing a link.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this solution seem worthless to anybody else ?
It is less convenient to the users who have to download it , and it is full of potential problems , such as image hosting sites scanning their images for stuff like this and banning them , or simply resizing or compressing the images , and therefore corrupting the hidden data.This solution is less convenient than the current one , which is to upload a torrent to a torrent hosting service , such as TPB or MiniNova , and then providing a link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this solution seem worthless to anybody else?
It is less convenient to the users who have to download it, and it is full of potential problems, such as image hosting sites scanning their images for stuff like this and banning them, or simply resizing or compressing the images, and therefore corrupting the hidden data.This solution is less convenient than the current one, which is to upload a torrent to a torrent hosting service, such as TPB or MiniNova, and then providing a link.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703787</id>
	<title>Similar to Spore</title>
	<author>kevmatic</author>
	<datestamp>1247674500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this, but Spore Creation files are PNGs with a picture of the creation, with the data needed to create it in the game hidden in the alpha channel.

This scheme, obviously, just generates a blurry group of pixels, but I wonder if you could change it somehow so the png looks like its contents... Like text of what's in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm suprised no-one has mentioned this , but Spore Creation files are PNGs with a picture of the creation , with the data needed to create it in the game hidden in the alpha channel .
This scheme , obviously , just generates a blurry group of pixels , but I wonder if you could change it somehow so the png looks like its contents... Like text of what 's in the .torrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this, but Spore Creation files are PNGs with a picture of the creation, with the data needed to create it in the game hidden in the alpha channel.
This scheme, obviously, just generates a blurry group of pixels, but I wonder if you could change it somehow so the png looks like its contents... Like text of what's in the .torrent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703363</id>
	<title>4chan banned similiar images</title>
	<author>Pingh</author>
	<datestamp>1247671920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A while ago it was a common thread on 4chan to have torrents hidden within rar files appended to jpgs.
This lead to massive amount of virus infected files being uploaded.

4chan banned images that it could detect rar headers within.

I can imagine similar practices would be up and about on other image boards as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A while ago it was a common thread on 4chan to have torrents hidden within rar files appended to jpgs .
This lead to massive amount of virus infected files being uploaded .
4chan banned images that it could detect rar headers within .
I can imagine similar practices would be up and about on other image boards as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A while ago it was a common thread on 4chan to have torrents hidden within rar files appended to jpgs.
This lead to massive amount of virus infected files being uploaded.
4chan banned images that it could detect rar headers within.
I can imagine similar practices would be up and about on other image boards as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28715429</id>
	<title>Yo dawg</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247752980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard you like pr0n so I put pr0n in your pr0n, so you can watch pr0n while you download pr0n.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard you like pr0n so I put pr0n in your pr0n , so you can watch pr0n while you download pr0n .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard you like pr0n so I put pr0n in your pr0n, so you can watch pr0n while you download pr0n.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28751237</id>
	<title>Simpler and easier solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1248007740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just post the output of 'gpg -a --store  something.torrent'. On forum will block ascii text</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just post the output of 'gpg -a --store something.torrent' .
On forum will block ascii text</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just post the output of 'gpg -a --store  something.torrent'.
On forum will block ascii text</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704145</id>
	<title>Er.. wha? What use is this?</title>
	<author>brunes69</author>
	<datestamp>1247676540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do these guys even know how Bittorrent works? A<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file is useless without a tracker. What tracker are these files using? Whatever THAT host is, why isn't it just hosting the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do these guys even know how Bittorrent works ?
A .torrent file is useless without a tracker .
What tracker are these files using ?
Whatever THAT host is , why is n't it just hosting the .torrent files ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do these guys even know how Bittorrent works?
A .torrent file is useless without a tracker.
What tracker are these files using?
Whatever THAT host is, why isn't it just hosting the .torrent files?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703889</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1247675160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd think it's a bit smaller than the original torrent, too... some torrents can get quite large. Can anyone check that?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent's are filtered where I'm at.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd think it 's a bit smaller than the original torrent , too... some torrents can get quite large .
Can anyone check that ?
.torrent 's are filtered where I 'm at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd think it's a bit smaller than the original torrent, too... some torrents can get quite large.
Can anyone check that?
.torrent's are filtered where I'm at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704339</id>
	<title>Re:4chan banned similiar images</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247677440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In cmd: (assuming pic.jpeg and file.rar in the current working directory, otherwise specify path)</p><p>copy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b pic.jpeg + file.rar output.jpeg</p><p>where pic.jpeg is your source pic, file.rar is the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rar file you create in which your 'hidden' files are, and output.jpeg will be a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.jpeg file, which when executed will open in your picture manager, but when opened with WinRAR, will reveal the contents of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rar file you added.</p><p>copy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/? in cmd says that the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b flag is for indicating a binary file, so I guess it doesn't mess up the extension headers when you combine files. I haven't gotten around to finding a bash equivalent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In cmd : ( assuming pic.jpeg and file.rar in the current working directory , otherwise specify path ) copy /b pic.jpeg + file.rar output.jpegwhere pic.jpeg is your source pic , file.rar is the .rar file you create in which your 'hidden ' files are , and output.jpeg will be a .jpeg file , which when executed will open in your picture manager , but when opened with WinRAR , will reveal the contents of the .rar file you added.copy / ?
in cmd says that the /b flag is for indicating a binary file , so I guess it does n't mess up the extension headers when you combine files .
I have n't gotten around to finding a bash equivalent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In cmd: (assuming pic.jpeg and file.rar in the current working directory, otherwise specify path)copy /b pic.jpeg + file.rar output.jpegwhere pic.jpeg is your source pic, file.rar is the .rar file you create in which your 'hidden' files are, and output.jpeg will be a .jpeg file, which when executed will open in your picture manager, but when opened with WinRAR, will reveal the contents of the .rar file you added.copy /?
in cmd says that the /b flag is for indicating a binary file, so I guess it doesn't mess up the extension headers when you combine files.
I haven't gotten around to finding a bash equivalent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703451</id>
	<title>Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>goombah99</author>
	<datestamp>1247672340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It won't work as intended but not for the reason you say.  Regardless of whether it's steganongrphyically encoded or not, this is just  amtter of detectability to the eye.</p><p>let's work through the logic:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site.  all reputable ones will decline to host those images.  the torrents might be legal ones, but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; if the encoding is done is some way that while a firefox plugin can easily recover a code that represents a torrent but you can't tell from the code if it is a torrent (without say actually trying it out)  then you will have to have some other signifier that the image contains a valid torrent and the identity of what the torrent contains (so you can search for what you want).  ANd again the image sites will decline to host those.</p><p>so you might as well just post hex encoded torrents and their plain language desciptions right to slashdot in the comments or in your journal.  Anyone can then use slashdot's search feature or for that matter google with a site:slashdot.org search term to find them.</p><p>so it seems like this has no value as a means of hosting torrents.</p><p>Now it does have two uses one legitimate and one not.  it could be just a conveinet way to pass around a torrent assoiciated with an image all in one handy container (kind of like a bussiness card printed on a mini-cd).  nd it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent.  e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn.  ("oh the irony,  I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent.  wink wink")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't work as intended but not for the reason you say .
Regardless of whether it 's steganongrphyically encoded or not , this is just amtter of detectability to the eye.let 's work through the logic :         If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site .
all reputable ones will decline to host those images .
the torrents might be legal ones , but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods .
      if the encoding is done is some way that while a firefox plugin can easily recover a code that represents a torrent but you ca n't tell from the code if it is a torrent ( without say actually trying it out ) then you will have to have some other signifier that the image contains a valid torrent and the identity of what the torrent contains ( so you can search for what you want ) .
ANd again the image sites will decline to host those.so you might as well just post hex encoded torrents and their plain language desciptions right to slashdot in the comments or in your journal .
Anyone can then use slashdot 's search feature or for that matter google with a site : slashdot.org search term to find them.so it seems like this has no value as a means of hosting torrents.Now it does have two uses one legitimate and one not .
it could be just a conveinet way to pass around a torrent assoiciated with an image all in one handy container ( kind of like a bussiness card printed on a mini-cd ) .
nd it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent .
e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band 's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn .
( " oh the irony , I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent .
wink wink " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't work as intended but not for the reason you say.
Regardless of whether it's steganongrphyically encoded or not, this is just  amtter of detectability to the eye.let's work through the logic:
        If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site.
all reputable ones will decline to host those images.
the torrents might be legal ones, but the image hosting sites will not see it valuable to their bussiness model to offer a service which might be hosting links to tainted goods.
      if the encoding is done is some way that while a firefox plugin can easily recover a code that represents a torrent but you can't tell from the code if it is a torrent (without say actually trying it out)  then you will have to have some other signifier that the image contains a valid torrent and the identity of what the torrent contains (so you can search for what you want).
ANd again the image sites will decline to host those.so you might as well just post hex encoded torrents and their plain language desciptions right to slashdot in the comments or in your journal.
Anyone can then use slashdot's search feature or for that matter google with a site:slashdot.org search term to find them.so it seems like this has no value as a means of hosting torrents.Now it does have two uses one legitimate and one not.
it could be just a conveinet way to pass around a torrent assoiciated with an image all in one handy container (kind of like a bussiness card printed on a mini-cd).
nd it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent.
e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn.
("oh the irony,  I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent.
wink wink")</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703005</id>
	<title>Bad metadata</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247670120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to <i>lie</i> in the metadata for a file.  It's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user, and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app.  This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata , and I do n't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file .
It 's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user , and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app .
This just seems like asking for more problems , as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file.
It's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user, and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app.
This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703723</id>
	<title>full rounded pr0n</title>
	<author>uncanny</author>
	<datestamp>1247674200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So now, what this is telling me is that you can post porn videos INSIDE porn pictures?

mind boggling!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So now , what this is telling me is that you can post porn videos INSIDE porn pictures ?
mind boggling !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now, what this is telling me is that you can post porn videos INSIDE porn pictures?
mind boggling!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707581</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247648760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Already has been done but never released about 3 years ago. I was alpha testing a bittorrent client for a friend that loaded torrents that looked like pictures. He also had a separate tool just like you described to do the same thing. I told him that it was great that even people that can't read will be able to use his client but he never finished the client. I guess he recognized that there is no need for hiding bittorrent files inside of pictures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Already has been done but never released about 3 years ago .
I was alpha testing a bittorrent client for a friend that loaded torrents that looked like pictures .
He also had a separate tool just like you described to do the same thing .
I told him that it was great that even people that ca n't read will be able to use his client but he never finished the client .
I guess he recognized that there is no need for hiding bittorrent files inside of pictures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Already has been done but never released about 3 years ago.
I was alpha testing a bittorrent client for a friend that loaded torrents that looked like pictures.
He also had a separate tool just like you described to do the same thing.
I told him that it was great that even people that can't read will be able to use his client but he never finished the client.
I guess he recognized that there is no need for hiding bittorrent files inside of pictures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703747</id>
	<title>Forums can use it too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247674320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't a forum owner scan all uploaded images for torrents using the same technology?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't a forum owner scan all uploaded images for torrents using the same technology ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't a forum owner scan all uploaded images for torrents using the same technology?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703093</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1247670660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not steganography. It's an explicit PNG encoding of a torrent file. It's not a PNG of a kitten with a torrent hidden within so a casual viewer wouldn't realise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not steganography .
It 's an explicit PNG encoding of a torrent file .
It 's not a PNG of a kitten with a torrent hidden within so a casual viewer would n't realise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not steganography.
It's an explicit PNG encoding of a torrent file.
It's not a PNG of a kitten with a torrent hidden within so a casual viewer wouldn't realise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704355</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1247677560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How did you get that ghostly omage of Steve Ballmer in there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How did you get that ghostly omage of Steve Ballmer in there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did you get that ghostly omage of Steve Ballmer in there?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703345</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like #competitivegeekbaiting escaped Twitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like # competitivegeekbaiting escaped Twitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like #competitivegeekbaiting escaped Twitter.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703139</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>wexsessa</author>
	<datestamp>1247670960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OMG, who uses PNG files?! The compression routine is rubbish! I'm going to use this technology, but I'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them. When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download, they'll quickly move over to my way of thinking.</p><p>Those of us that need lossless compression, but we use SuperPNG, which has better compression.</p><p>The conversion to JPEG might be a disappointment - my gut feel says this torrent trick won't work if the data are altered by JPEG's lossy compression.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , who uses PNG files ? !
The compression routine is rubbish !
I 'm going to use this technology , but I 'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them .
When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download , they 'll quickly move over to my way of thinking.Those of us that need lossless compression , but we use SuperPNG , which has better compression.The conversion to JPEG might be a disappointment - my gut feel says this torrent trick wo n't work if the data are altered by JPEG 's lossy compression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, who uses PNG files?!
The compression routine is rubbish!
I'm going to use this technology, but I'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them.
When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download, they'll quickly move over to my way of thinking.Those of us that need lossless compression, but we use SuperPNG, which has better compression.The conversion to JPEG might be a disappointment - my gut feel says this torrent trick won't work if the data are altered by JPEG's lossy compression.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703527</id>
	<title>Why limit it to torrents?</title>
	<author>Steve S</author>
	<datestamp>1247672880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I built a utility that can be used for the same purpose back in april.  http://cosmodro.me/blog/2009/apr/11/smuggle-improved/<br>It's a small flash movie that can encode files into pngs and decode them back.  It's not limited to torrents, so you can encode any file that's less than about 16MB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I built a utility that can be used for the same purpose back in april .
http : //cosmodro.me/blog/2009/apr/11/smuggle-improved/It 's a small flash movie that can encode files into pngs and decode them back .
It 's not limited to torrents , so you can encode any file that 's less than about 16MB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built a utility that can be used for the same purpose back in april.
http://cosmodro.me/blog/2009/apr/11/smuggle-improved/It's a small flash movie that can encode files into pngs and decode them back.
It's not limited to torrents, so you can encode any file that's less than about 16MB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703423</id>
	<title>Good for small torrents maybe, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most torrent files for feature length 1080p releases, especially those with DTS sound, are quite a bit larger than 250kB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most torrent files for feature length 1080p releases , especially those with DTS sound , are quite a bit larger than 250kB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most torrent files for feature length 1080p releases, especially those with DTS sound, are quite a bit larger than 250kB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703459</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading. Without context, warehoused information is useless. And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still <a href="http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php" title="sooke.bc.ca">colored bits</a> [sooke.bc.ca].</p></div><p>That was my initial reaction as well.</p><p>Instead of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file you've got a PNG, but I'm not sure how much that helps anyone.</p><p>I don't think the complaint was ever that the information contained in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file was somehow infringing copyright or breaking laws...  I believe the argument has been made that there's nothing actually copyrighted/illegal in the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file itself, and judging from the results of recent court cases that argument doesn't seem to be working terribly well.  The PNG still contains the same information as the torrent...  Still enables you to download the same files...  Would, therefor, still be vulnerable to the same lawsuits and takedown notices - wouldn't it?</p><p>It isn't a text file, so it might be harder to locate the incriminating evidence with a simple text search...  But you'll need to indicate what's contained in the file somewhere, or nobody is going to know what they're downloading.  You'll still need a searchable index, or a header on the forum post, or at least a line or two of text saying what the picture gets you.</p><p>So...  How is this actually better than a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hosting a bunch of images does n't do any good unless you have a text ( or at least searchable ) description of what you 're downloading .
Without context , warehoused information is useless .
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information ( that is , they 're still colored bits [ sooke.bc.ca ] .That was my initial reaction as well.Instead of a .torrent file you 've got a PNG , but I 'm not sure how much that helps anyone.I do n't think the complaint was ever that the information contained in the .torrent file was somehow infringing copyright or breaking laws... I believe the argument has been made that there 's nothing actually copyrighted/illegal in the .torrent file itself , and judging from the results of recent court cases that argument does n't seem to be working terribly well .
The PNG still contains the same information as the torrent... Still enables you to download the same files... Would , therefor , still be vulnerable to the same lawsuits and takedown notices - would n't it ? It is n't a text file , so it might be harder to locate the incriminating evidence with a simple text search... But you 'll need to indicate what 's contained in the file somewhere , or nobody is going to know what they 're downloading .
You 'll still need a searchable index , or a header on the forum post , or at least a line or two of text saying what the picture gets you.So... How is this actually better than a .torrent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.
Without context, warehoused information is useless.
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still colored bits [sooke.bc.ca].That was my initial reaction as well.Instead of a .torrent file you've got a PNG, but I'm not sure how much that helps anyone.I don't think the complaint was ever that the information contained in the .torrent file was somehow infringing copyright or breaking laws...  I believe the argument has been made that there's nothing actually copyrighted/illegal in the .torrent file itself, and judging from the results of recent court cases that argument doesn't seem to be working terribly well.
The PNG still contains the same information as the torrent...  Still enables you to download the same files...  Would, therefor, still be vulnerable to the same lawsuits and takedown notices - wouldn't it?It isn't a text file, so it might be harder to locate the incriminating evidence with a simple text search...  But you'll need to indicate what's contained in the file somewhere, or nobody is going to know what they're downloading.
You'll still need a searchable index, or a header on the forum post, or at least a line or two of text saying what the picture gets you.So...  How is this actually better than a .torrent?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703921</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1247675340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try lzip instead, you can get close to 100\% compression that way, depending on how you specify the command line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try lzip instead , you can get close to 100 \ % compression that way , depending on how you specify the command line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try lzip instead, you can get close to 100\% compression that way, depending on how you specify the command line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703219</id>
	<title>Re:The race is on...</title>
	<author>bishiraver</author>
	<datestamp>1247671320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't really work. This isn't true steganography; it just generates an image based on the torrent file. tag should be "!steganography" not "steganography"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't really work .
This is n't true steganography ; it just generates an image based on the torrent file .
tag should be " ! steganography " not " steganography "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't really work.
This isn't true steganography; it just generates an image based on the torrent file.
tag should be "!steganography" not "steganography"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703263</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1247671500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they <em>do</em> create a valid PNG image. So if IE crashes on trying to show that image, it must be an IE bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they do create a valid PNG image .
So if IE crashes on trying to show that image , it must be an IE bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they do create a valid PNG image.
So if IE crashes on trying to show that image, it must be an IE bug.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703457</id>
	<title>Even better ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the images involved are on RIAA etc websites - just a thought. mind you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the images involved are on RIAA etc websites - just a thought .
mind you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the images involved are on RIAA etc websites - just a thought.
mind you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703673</id>
	<title>Re:PNG vs JPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247673900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They see me trollin', they hatin'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They see me trollin ' , they hatin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They see me trollin', they hatin'...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702977</id>
	<title>PNGs?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OMG, who uses PNG files?! The compression routine is rubbish! I'm going to use this technology, but I'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them. When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download, they'll quickly move over to my way of thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , who uses PNG files ? !
The compression routine is rubbish !
I 'm going to use this technology , but I 'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them .
When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download , they 'll quickly move over to my way of thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, who uses PNG files?!
The compression routine is rubbish!
I'm going to use this technology, but I'm going to convert the files to JPEG before I upload them.
When people see how much smaller the file is that they have to download, they'll quickly move over to my way of thinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705889</id>
	<title>Use GIF. No 250K limit</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1247684040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can concatenate anything onto the end of a GIF image and still have a valid file without any limit on payload size. The classic example is to append a zip file which keeps its "headers" at the end of the file and doesn't measure any offsets from the beginning. This allows you to attach anything to a GIF without having to have special tools to extract the payload.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can concatenate anything onto the end of a GIF image and still have a valid file without any limit on payload size .
The classic example is to append a zip file which keeps its " headers " at the end of the file and does n't measure any offsets from the beginning .
This allows you to attach anything to a GIF without having to have special tools to extract the payload .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can concatenate anything onto the end of a GIF image and still have a valid file without any limit on payload size.
The classic example is to append a zip file which keeps its "headers" at the end of the file and doesn't measure any offsets from the beginning.
This allows you to attach anything to a GIF without having to have special tools to extract the payload.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703299</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>terrukallan</author>
	<datestamp>1247671680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, these actually are png images.  They can be handled by any software that is capable of working with png images.  This is not (as many seem to think) simply changing the extension of torrent files, or attaching a torrent as some sort of metadata to an image.
<p>Instead, what they're doing here is encoding the data contained in a torrent file as valid image data.  I'm not sure exactly what technique they're using, but the process is essentially analogous (though surely more complex) to treating each bit as a black/white pixel indicator.  Given some agreed upon dimensions for the image (either width or height, doesn't matter which) this gives you a black and white bitmap which could then be encoded as a png.
</p><p>Clearly what they are doing is more complex since their images are color (and they may be relying on specifics of the way png images are formatted), but the basic idea is the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , these actually are png images .
They can be handled by any software that is capable of working with png images .
This is not ( as many seem to think ) simply changing the extension of torrent files , or attaching a torrent as some sort of metadata to an image .
Instead , what they 're doing here is encoding the data contained in a torrent file as valid image data .
I 'm not sure exactly what technique they 're using , but the process is essentially analogous ( though surely more complex ) to treating each bit as a black/white pixel indicator .
Given some agreed upon dimensions for the image ( either width or height , does n't matter which ) this gives you a black and white bitmap which could then be encoded as a png .
Clearly what they are doing is more complex since their images are color ( and they may be relying on specifics of the way png images are formatted ) , but the basic idea is the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, these actually are png images.
They can be handled by any software that is capable of working with png images.
This is not (as many seem to think) simply changing the extension of torrent files, or attaching a torrent as some sort of metadata to an image.
Instead, what they're doing here is encoding the data contained in a torrent file as valid image data.
I'm not sure exactly what technique they're using, but the process is essentially analogous (though surely more complex) to treating each bit as a black/white pixel indicator.
Given some agreed upon dimensions for the image (either width or height, doesn't matter which) this gives you a black and white bitmap which could then be encoded as a png.
Clearly what they are doing is more complex since their images are color (and they may be relying on specifics of the way png images are formatted), but the basic idea is the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703283</id>
	<title>Just use MAGNET uris</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both Azureus and uTorrent support it, maybe even more. For example in uTorrent, right click any torrent and choose "Copy Magnet URI" and use it in Open Location dialog. The torrent file is downloaded thru DHT network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Azureus and uTorrent support it , maybe even more .
For example in uTorrent , right click any torrent and choose " Copy Magnet URI " and use it in Open Location dialog .
The torrent file is downloaded thru DHT network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Azureus and uTorrent support it, maybe even more.
For example in uTorrent, right click any torrent and choose "Copy Magnet URI" and use it in Open Location dialog.
The torrent file is downloaded thru DHT network.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28706877</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>MattXBlack</author>
	<datestamp>1247688660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about turning it into a CAPTCHA? The only way to detect and decode the torrent file is to type the code that is shown in the PNG. The code could be written over a screenshot of whatever creative commons/public domain film the torrent points to, and the filename is something like charlie\_chaplin\_the\_champion\_screenshot.png?

The code wouldn't even have to be that well distorted, as I'm sure most image sites don't have the same computing resources that spammer have to break these things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about turning it into a CAPTCHA ?
The only way to detect and decode the torrent file is to type the code that is shown in the PNG .
The code could be written over a screenshot of whatever creative commons/public domain film the torrent points to , and the filename is something like charlie \ _chaplin \ _the \ _champion \ _screenshot.png ?
The code would n't even have to be that well distorted , as I 'm sure most image sites do n't have the same computing resources that spammer have to break these things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about turning it into a CAPTCHA?
The only way to detect and decode the torrent file is to type the code that is shown in the PNG.
The code could be written over a screenshot of whatever creative commons/public domain film the torrent points to, and the filename is something like charlie\_chaplin\_the\_champion\_screenshot.png?
The code wouldn't even have to be that well distorted, as I'm sure most image sites don't have the same computing resources that spammer have to break these things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703611</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>BeardedChimp</author>
	<datestamp>1247673480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In fact sod the torrent altogether, I'm going to turn my films in to a series of animated GIFs and post them instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact sod the torrent altogether , I 'm going to turn my films in to a series of animated GIFs and post them instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact sod the torrent altogether, I'm going to turn my films in to a series of animated GIFs and post them instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703293</id>
	<title>secret in secret</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if this would be useful if the torrent data was also encrypted with your own secret key and then converted to an image.<br>Only the person with the secret key could then decode the image to find teh filez.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...or a we just chasing our own tail?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this would be useful if the torrent data was also encrypted with your own secret key and then converted to an image.Only the person with the secret key could then decode the image to find teh filez .
...or a we just chasing our own tail ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this would be useful if the torrent data was also encrypted with your own secret key and then converted to an image.Only the person with the secret key could then decode the image to find teh filez.
...or a we just chasing our own tail?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28708183</id>
	<title>Re:Junk Tech</title>
	<author>swilver</author>
	<datestamp>1247651880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps.  But one can also include error correction information in the image, allowing even partial or damaged images to reconstruct the torrent file.  Assuming of course it is not damaged beyond recognition or cropped too much (but I doubt such image hosting sites would live long).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps .
But one can also include error correction information in the image , allowing even partial or damaged images to reconstruct the torrent file .
Assuming of course it is not damaged beyond recognition or cropped too much ( but I doubt such image hosting sites would live long ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps.
But one can also include error correction information in the image, allowing even partial or damaged images to reconstruct the torrent file.
Assuming of course it is not damaged beyond recognition or cropped too much (but I doubt such image hosting sites would live long).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705917</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1247684160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"let's work through the logic:"</p><p>Which isn't really, but just your opinion.</p><p>"If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site."</p><p>Duh, the whole point is you can put it on a website.</p><p>"If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site. all reputable ones will decline to host those images."</p><p>In your opinion. How would they know that it is?<br>Ah, so they have to hire programmers to write code to determine<br>if its a picture or not?<br>And so they ban version1, then the pictures morph to version2, and when they ban that they morph to version 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 10000.</p><p>Far more likely they are going to say, a picture is a picture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" let 's work through the logic : " Which is n't really , but just your opinion .
" If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site .
" Duh , the whole point is you can put it on a website .
" If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site .
all reputable ones will decline to host those images .
" In your opinion .
How would they know that it is ? Ah , so they have to hire programmers to write code to determineif its a picture or not ? And so they ban version1 , then the pictures morph to version2 , and when they ban that they morph to version 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 10000.Far more likely they are going to say , a picture is a picture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"let's work through the logic:"Which isn't really, but just your opinion.
"If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site.
"Duh, the whole point is you can put it on a website.
"If a firefox plugin and retreive the torrent then so can any image hosting site.
all reputable ones will decline to host those images.
"In your opinion.
How would they know that it is?Ah, so they have to hire programmers to write code to determineif its a picture or not?And so they ban version1, then the pictures morph to version2, and when they ban that they morph to version 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and 10000.Far more likely they are going to say, a picture is a picture.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703451</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28709139</id>
	<title>Thanks a lot asshole</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247656020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You just wiped my buddy's mind!</p><p>- Hiro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You just wiped my buddy 's mind ! - Hiro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just wiped my buddy's mind!- Hiro</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28712259</id>
	<title>goombah99: time to grow up</title>
	<author>ChrisCampbell47</author>
	<datestamp>1247676660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK OK, I won't mod him down like I was going to.  But JESUS CHRIST goombah99, take a extra minute and proofread your post next time and fix all the errors!  There's apparently something of value in there, but trying to read it makes my brain bleed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK OK , I wo n't mod him down like I was going to .
But JESUS CHRIST goombah99 , take a extra minute and proofread your post next time and fix all the errors !
There 's apparently something of value in there , but trying to read it makes my brain bleed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK OK, I won't mod him down like I was going to.
But JESUS CHRIST goombah99, take a extra minute and proofread your post next time and fix all the errors!
There's apparently something of value in there, but trying to read it makes my brain bleed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704013</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703839</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work well</title>
	<author>Dhalka226</author>
	<datestamp>1247674860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents inside</p></div></blockquote><p>I'd certainly need to be required--by law--to do that if I were the owner of any sort of image hosting website.  "Try to decode the torrent" means time and computing power on my side, and for absolutely no benefit to me or my business.  In fact rejecting images is actually bad for my business; it's actively pushing users away, all for the benefit of some mega-corp that isn't me and that frankly I don't care about.

</p><p>I wouldn't be particularly worried about a lawsuit.  If people are essentially using steganography to hide torrents in images hosted with me, the RIAA would be extremely hard-pressed to show that I'm somehow involved in whatever piracy goes on merely by not going out of my way to scan the images on their behalf.

</p><p>Maybe they'd be able to buy themselves such a law, but that's what it would take.  My business' job is not to support the RIAA.  (Hypothetically, of course.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents insideI 'd certainly need to be required--by law--to do that if I were the owner of any sort of image hosting website .
" Try to decode the torrent " means time and computing power on my side , and for absolutely no benefit to me or my business .
In fact rejecting images is actually bad for my business ; it 's actively pushing users away , all for the benefit of some mega-corp that is n't me and that frankly I do n't care about .
I would n't be particularly worried about a lawsuit .
If people are essentially using steganography to hide torrents in images hosted with me , the RIAA would be extremely hard-pressed to show that I 'm somehow involved in whatever piracy goes on merely by not going out of my way to scan the images on their behalf .
Maybe they 'd be able to buy themselves such a law , but that 's what it would take .
My business ' job is not to support the RIAA .
( Hypothetically , of course .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All sites hosting images will just be required to filter for those images which have torrents insideI'd certainly need to be required--by law--to do that if I were the owner of any sort of image hosting website.
"Try to decode the torrent" means time and computing power on my side, and for absolutely no benefit to me or my business.
In fact rejecting images is actually bad for my business; it's actively pushing users away, all for the benefit of some mega-corp that isn't me and that frankly I don't care about.
I wouldn't be particularly worried about a lawsuit.
If people are essentially using steganography to hide torrents in images hosted with me, the RIAA would be extremely hard-pressed to show that I'm somehow involved in whatever piracy goes on merely by not going out of my way to scan the images on their behalf.
Maybe they'd be able to buy themselves such a law, but that's what it would take.
My business' job is not to support the RIAA.
(Hypothetically, of course.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702937</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28723805</id>
	<title>life on the chans is good</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1247743620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sweet, now on 4chan (and 12chan) not only will CP be hidden in a torrent, but a torrent will be hidden in CP...</p><p>life is good</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sweet , now on 4chan ( and 12chan ) not only will CP be hidden in a torrent , but a torrent will be hidden in CP...life is good</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sweet, now on 4chan (and 12chan) not only will CP be hidden in a torrent, but a torrent will be hidden in CP...life is good</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703721</id>
	<title>!steganography</title>
	<author>Chris Pimlott</author>
	<datestamp>1247674200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This must be a different use of "hiding" that I'm aware of, which apparently means 'make it blatantly obvious that this image is encoding something'.  The point of steganography is that the image doesn't appear to have any hidden data in it.</p><p>So I suppose there might be some use for this, but it's not about to fool any hosting provider that dislikes torrents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This must be a different use of " hiding " that I 'm aware of , which apparently means 'make it blatantly obvious that this image is encoding something' .
The point of steganography is that the image does n't appear to have any hidden data in it.So I suppose there might be some use for this , but it 's not about to fool any hosting provider that dislikes torrents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This must be a different use of "hiding" that I'm aware of, which apparently means 'make it blatantly obvious that this image is encoding something'.
The point of steganography is that the image doesn't appear to have any hidden data in it.So I suppose there might be some use for this, but it's not about to fool any hosting provider that dislikes torrents.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704501</id>
	<title>Re:Off Topic Sig Correction</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247678340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such. Try something more adult, like... "I don't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y".</i></p><p>You are an overreactive and offtopic ass.  How's that for fact?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such .
Try something more adult , like... " I do n't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y " .You are an overreactive and offtopic ass .
How 's that for fact ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opinions are not facts and should not be expressed as such.
Try something more adult, like... "I don't like Slashdot 2.0 because of X and Y".You are an overreactive and offtopic ass.
How's that for fact?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703781</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702927</id>
	<title>Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1247669640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers."</p><p>Ok, ok, I do understand that a browser plugin adds some convenience, but how about a stand-alone version (native executable, or maybe something like a Java, Python, Perl, or Lisp program [which would be cross-platform]), which I can just run either as a GUI, or even a command line. . .</p><p>png2torrent in.png out.torrent</p><p>(heck, the original torrent filename might be stored in the png, so you might only need to specify the input file, and optionally an output path/filename if you want to change the name or extract to a different directory).</p><p>Maybe a drag-and-drop icon on the desktop - drag the png to the icon, and it automatically creates the torrent on the desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers .
" Ok , ok , I do understand that a browser plugin adds some convenience , but how about a stand-alone version ( native executable , or maybe something like a Java , Python , Perl , or Lisp program [ which would be cross-platform ] ) , which I can just run either as a GUI , or even a command line .
. .png2torrent in.png out.torrent ( heck , the original torrent filename might be stored in the png , so you might only need to specify the input file , and optionally an output path/filename if you want to change the name or extract to a different directory ) .Maybe a drag-and-drop icon on the desktop - drag the png to the icon , and it automatically creates the torrent on the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The code is entirely open source and Michael Nutt told us that they are hoping for people to contribute to it by creating additional decoders supported by other browsers.
"Ok, ok, I do understand that a browser plugin adds some convenience, but how about a stand-alone version (native executable, or maybe something like a Java, Python, Perl, or Lisp program [which would be cross-platform]), which I can just run either as a GUI, or even a command line.
. .png2torrent in.png out.torrent(heck, the original torrent filename might be stored in the png, so you might only need to specify the input file, and optionally an output path/filename if you want to change the name or extract to a different directory).Maybe a drag-and-drop icon on the desktop - drag the png to the icon, and it automatically creates the torrent on the desktop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702913</id>
	<title>How completely and utterly useless.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How completely and utterly useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How completely and utterly useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How completely and utterly useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704185</id>
	<title>Invert-Trick</title>
	<author>allcoolnameswheretak</author>
	<datestamp>1247676780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you encode a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent into a PNG, invert the colors in Photoshop and decode the image back again, you get the torrent download and save alot of bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you encode a .torrent into a PNG , invert the colors in Photoshop and decode the image back again , you get the torrent download and save alot of bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you encode a .torrent into a PNG, invert the colors in Photoshop and decode the image back again, you get the torrent download and save alot of bandwidth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703245</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>duguk</author>
	<datestamp>1247671440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not lying - it IS actually an image, it just so happens to contain other data, if you look at it the right way. Try reading up on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography" title="wikipedia.org">Steganography</a> [wikipedia.org] and hopefully you'll understand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not lying - it IS actually an image , it just so happens to contain other data , if you look at it the right way .
Try reading up on Steganography [ wikipedia.org ] and hopefully you 'll understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not lying - it IS actually an image, it just so happens to contain other data, if you look at it the right way.
Try reading up on Steganography [wikipedia.org] and hopefully you'll understand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703005</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703129</id>
	<title>Re:Why not rob a bank instead?</title>
	<author>MightyYar</author>
	<datestamp>1247670960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have compassion for you, the anonymous internet troll. We pirate so that you can troll us with something other than the GNAA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have compassion for you , the anonymous internet troll .
We pirate so that you can troll us with something other than the GNAA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have compassion for you, the anonymous internet troll.
We pirate so that you can troll us with something other than the GNAA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702839</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703175</id>
	<title>Excellent, it's open source.</title>
	<author>BlueKitties</author>
	<datestamp>1247671140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm half tempted to pop it open myself and add a feature that inserts a text description into the encoded PNG. Really, I don't think it would be too hard (hell, it could just have a few flag bits that tell the interpreter how much of the image needs to be cropped to remove the description.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm half tempted to pop it open myself and add a feature that inserts a text description into the encoded PNG .
Really , I do n't think it would be too hard ( hell , it could just have a few flag bits that tell the interpreter how much of the image needs to be cropped to remove the description .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm half tempted to pop it open myself and add a feature that inserts a text description into the encoded PNG.
Really, I don't think it would be too hard (hell, it could just have a few flag bits that tell the interpreter how much of the image needs to be cropped to remove the description.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</id>
	<title>An example..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247670180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's an <a href="http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2166/ooo310win32.png" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">example</a> [imageshack.us]. It's the OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 win32 torrent taken from the OO.o site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's an example [ imageshack.us ] .
It 's the OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 win32 torrent taken from the OO.o site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's an example [imageshack.us].
It's the OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 win32 torrent taken from the OO.o site.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703199</id>
	<title>IE6 FTW!</title>
	<author>wangahrah</author>
	<datestamp>1247671260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lack of transparency support for your PNGs won't let those bastards see through the image to your thinly veiled P2P activity!  Looks like IE6 just won the browser war.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of transparency support for your PNGs wo n't let those bastards see through the image to your thinly veiled P2P activity !
Looks like IE6 just won the browser war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of transparency support for your PNGs won't let those bastards see through the image to your thinly veiled P2P activity!
Looks like IE6 just won the browser war.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707239</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatively</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1247690460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude, all magic eyes are broken. Never once have I managed to get those things to work for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , all magic eyes are broken .
Never once have I managed to get those things to work for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, all magic eyes are broken.
Never once have I managed to get those things to work for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707693</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247649360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point is that you can send the images through skype, imageshack, or even a forum. I don't know how this got a +5...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point is that you can send the images through skype , imageshack , or even a forum .
I do n't know how this got a + 5.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point is that you can send the images through skype, imageshack, or even a forum.
I don't know how this got a +5...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703185</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>omnichad</author>
	<datestamp>1247671200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like this?<br>
&nbsp; <br>MIME-Version: 1.0</p><p>Content-Type: application/x-bittorrent</p><p>d8:announce30:http://tracker.prq.to/announce13:announce-listll30:http://tracker.prq.to/announceel44:http://vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel40:http://tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel45:http://open.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceee7:comment30:---   www.Yestorrent.com   ---13:comment.utf-830:---   www.Yestorrent.com   ---10:created by13:BitComet/0.9613:creation datei1237154572e8:encoding5:UTF-84:infod5:filesld6:lengthi5478058e4:pathl6:Sample25:devise-meteop2.sample.avieed6:lengthi731465728e4:pathl18:devise-meteop2.avieed6:lengthi11395e4:pathl18:devise-meteop2.nfoeee4:name47:Meteor.Path.To.Destruction.Part2.R5.XviD-DEViSE12:piece lengthi1048576e6:pieces14060:=&#226;oe&#194;)&#194;zy1&#195;&#203;oe&#195;s&#226;&#239;$&#198;'&#226;"&#195;&#226;&#166;&#203;s&#194;&yen;&#226;&#203;&#226;zh&#194;&#226;&#226;&#195;&#195;"&#194;&#195;&#166;&#195;\%!+&#195;&#195;&#188;&#194;}?&amp;B&#195;9#&#226;&#194;c?\_A!&#195;&yen;&#195;&#195;SOt&#226;&#195;&#203;z&#194;&#226;OB&#195;&yen;&#226;&yen;6@&#195;&yen;zB&#203;}R)'vEV&#226;Kat&#195;&#226;oe&#194;&#226;&#195;&#195;oe&#226;&#195;&#169;&#195;&#195;&#188;+&#226;o&#226;--S-[&#194;<br>0&#195;$lT&#195;'&#195;&#195;&#194;2T&#194;&#197;&#195;(TM)N&#194;&#226;oe&#194;&#195;(TM)&#226;\&#195;"G&#195;&#197;"&#195;"<br>&#195;&#226;L&#195;&#195;'&#194;&#195;"`&#226;"^&#197;&#226;&#203;&#226;6o&#226;&#195;'6&#195;#&#195;&#226;&#166;&#195;L&#195;LsZn&#195;&#194;lL&#195;&#169;N&#195;&#195;&#226;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like this ?
  MIME-Version : 1.0Content-Type : application/x-bittorrentd8 : announce30 : http : //tracker.prq.to/announce13 : announce-listll30 : http : //tracker.prq.to/announceel44 : http : //vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel40 : http : //tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceel45 : http : //open.tracker.thepiratebay.org/announceee7 : comment30 : --- www.Yestorrent.com ---13 : comment.utf-830 : --- www.Yestorrent.com ---10 : created by13 : BitComet/0.9613 : creation datei1237154572e8 : encoding5 : UTF-84 : infod5 : filesld6 : lengthi5478058e4 : pathl6 : Sample25 : devise-meteop2.sample.avieed6 : lengthi731465728e4 : pathl18 : devise-meteop2.avieed6 : lengthi11395e4 : pathl18 : devise-meteop2.nfoeee4 : name47 : Meteor.Path.To.Destruction.Part2.R5.XviD-DEViSE12 : piece lengthi1048576e6 : pieces14060 : =   oe   )   zy1     oe   s     $   '   "         s           zh           "         \ % ! +         } ? &amp;B   9 #     c ? \ _A !         SOt       z     OB         6 @     zB   } R ) 'vEV   Kat     oe         oe             +   o   --S- [   0   $ lT   '       2T       ( TM ) N     oe     ( TM )   \   " G     "   "     L     '     " `   " ^         6o     '6   #         L   LsZn     lL     N      </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like this?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704543</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247678520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is anyone else looking at all the typos in the parent's message trying to figure out if there's a message hidden? Typos (not including cases):</p><p>steganongrphyically amtter retreive bussiness desciptions conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumn</p><p>Including cases:</p><p>steganongrphyically amtter let's retreive all the bussiness if ANd so desciptions slashdot slashdot's so conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumn oh google</p><p>I deliberately left out a few things that I'd rather assign to casual error, however given these I find it less likely that there is an ingeniously hidden message, and more likely the poster will cry upon reading this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is anyone else looking at all the typos in the parent 's message trying to figure out if there 's a message hidden ?
Typos ( not including cases ) : steganongrphyically amtter retreive bussiness desciptions conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumnIncluding cases : steganongrphyically amtter let 's retreive all the bussiness if ANd so desciptions slashdot slashdot 's so conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumn oh googleI deliberately left out a few things that I 'd rather assign to casual error , however given these I find it less likely that there is an ingeniously hidden message , and more likely the poster will cry upon reading this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is anyone else looking at all the typos in the parent's message trying to figure out if there's a message hidden?
Typos (not including cases):steganongrphyically amtter retreive bussiness desciptions conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumnIncluding cases:steganongrphyically amtter let's retreive all the bussiness if ANd so desciptions slashdot slashdot's so conveinet assoiciated bussiness nd Metalica almbum albumn oh googleI deliberately left out a few things that I'd rather assign to casual error, however given these I find it less likely that there is an ingeniously hidden message, and more likely the poster will cry upon reading this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703443</id>
	<title>Re:PNG vs JPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefit</p></div><p>I think the lossless versus lossy bit was the crux of the joke. Converting the torrents to jpeg would lossily compress the torrent, thus breaking it upon decompression.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefitI think the lossless versus lossy bit was the crux of the joke .
Converting the torrents to jpeg would lossily compress the torrent , thus breaking it upon decompression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you realize it is lossless you might even see a benefitI think the lossless versus lossy bit was the crux of the joke.
Converting the torrents to jpeg would lossily compress the torrent, thus breaking it upon decompression.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28713275</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>PMBjornerud</author>
	<datestamp>1247686260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent.  e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn.  ("oh the irony,  I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent.  wink wink")</p></div><p>That would be steganography.</p><p>According to TFA, Hid.im pictures look like this: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/images/hidim.jpg" title="torrentfreak.com">http://torrentfreak.com/images/hidim.jpg</a> [torrentfreak.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent .
e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band 's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn .
( " oh the irony , I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent .
wink wink " ) That would be steganography.According to TFA , Hid.im pictures look like this : http : //torrentfreak.com/images/hidim.jpg [ torrentfreak.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it could be a way for someone to establish plausible deniability that they were posting a torrent.
e.g. a blog post deploring the loss of revenue for Metalica with a picture of the band's latest almbum that happens to hide a torrent for that albumn.
("oh the irony,  I just grabbed that image off google images and little did I know that particular one held a torrent.
wink wink")That would be steganography.According to TFA, Hid.im pictures look like this: http://torrentfreak.com/images/hidim.jpg [torrentfreak.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702909</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously you have never visited 4chan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously you have never visited 4chan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously you have never visited 4chan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704969</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent, it's open source.</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1247680680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems like a better method would be to just have the interpreter read the data by spiraling in from the outer edge.  At some point there's a signal to stop, and the rest (e.g. middle) of the image can be whatever.  So, effectively you could have an image that describes the torrent with a border around it that encodes the data.  Perhaps even reduce the data density so the border more or less appears to be a solid color.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like a better method would be to just have the interpreter read the data by spiraling in from the outer edge .
At some point there 's a signal to stop , and the rest ( e.g .
middle ) of the image can be whatever .
So , effectively you could have an image that describes the torrent with a border around it that encodes the data .
Perhaps even reduce the data density so the border more or less appears to be a solid color .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like a better method would be to just have the interpreter read the data by spiraling in from the outer edge.
At some point there's a signal to stop, and the rest (e.g.
middle) of the image can be whatever.
So, effectively you could have an image that describes the torrent with a border around it that encodes the data.
Perhaps even reduce the data density so the border more or less appears to be a solid color.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704249</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247677080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you encode it such that you can only find out that it's a torrent if you convert it back, and they take it down, then you have proff that they had in their posession the torrent. MPAA can just upload a ton of images, and wait for the "We're guilty" takedowns and then sue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you encode it such that you can only find out that it 's a torrent if you convert it back , and they take it down , then you have proff that they had in their posession the torrent .
MPAA can just upload a ton of images , and wait for the " We 're guilty " takedowns and then sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you encode it such that you can only find out that it's a torrent if you convert it back, and they take it down, then you have proff that they had in their posession the torrent.
MPAA can just upload a ton of images, and wait for the "We're guilty" takedowns and then sue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702791</id>
	<title>If I were a congressman, what would I do?</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247669040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I still think the solution is to change TPB to a TpayB. Allow us to pay $1 for a movie and allow studios to save face and jump in. More hiding like this will just put the Congressmen in action to filter. If this path is chosen, we will all be living in wifi-caves before long.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still think the solution is to change TPB to a TpayB .
Allow us to pay $ 1 for a movie and allow studios to save face and jump in .
More hiding like this will just put the Congressmen in action to filter .
If this path is chosen , we will all be living in wifi-caves before long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still think the solution is to change TPB to a TpayB.
Allow us to pay $1 for a movie and allow studios to save face and jump in.
More hiding like this will just put the Congressmen in action to filter.
If this path is chosen, we will all be living in wifi-caves before long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703875</id>
	<title>Re:Good for small torrents maybe, but...</title>
	<author>dave420</author>
	<datestamp>1247675040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the size of the files listed in the torrent doesn't make a difference to the filesize.  The number of trackers, nodes, and piece size (etc.), however, does.  I just downloaded a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file describing an 8GB 1080p movie, and it was 41KB in size.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the size of the files listed in the torrent does n't make a difference to the filesize .
The number of trackers , nodes , and piece size ( etc .
) , however , does .
I just downloaded a .torrent file describing an 8GB 1080p movie , and it was 41KB in size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the size of the files listed in the torrent doesn't make a difference to the filesize.
The number of trackers, nodes, and piece size (etc.
), however, does.
I just downloaded a .torrent file describing an 8GB 1080p movie, and it was 41KB in size.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705827</id>
	<title>How about StegTorrent</title>
	<author>ccool</author>
	<datestamp>1247683860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Parent is correct, also, a little software based on steghide does exactly what is mentionned here...  It would be just a matter of putting everything in a firefox extension and you could have something much better than hid.im (although it is a good idea)<br>
<br>
I really like the idea where, instead of a blob of color with no real meaning, you could use a representative image, like a movie-poster image...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Parent is correct , also , a little software based on steghide does exactly what is mentionned here... It would be just a matter of putting everything in a firefox extension and you could have something much better than hid.im ( although it is a good idea ) I really like the idea where , instead of a blob of color with no real meaning , you could use a representative image , like a movie-poster image.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent is correct, also, a little software based on steghide does exactly what is mentionned here...  It would be just a matter of putting everything in a firefox extension and you could have something much better than hid.im (although it is a good idea)

I really like the idea where, instead of a blob of color with no real meaning, you could use a representative image, like a movie-poster image...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703317</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatively</title>
	<author>terrukallan</author>
	<datestamp>1247671800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A fair number of message boards only allow for a certain subset of image formats to be uploaded.  In my experience, png is nearly always one of those.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.tif is not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A fair number of message boards only allow for a certain subset of image formats to be uploaded .
In my experience , png is nearly always one of those .
.tif is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fair number of message boards only allow for a certain subset of image formats to be uploaded.
In my experience, png is nearly always one of those.
.tif is not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703079</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704649</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>jcwayne</author>
	<datestamp>1247679060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28716493</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247758200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But JPEG is lossy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But JPEG is lossy .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But JPEG is lossy.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704415</id>
	<title>example</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1247677860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>site one lists all the images torrents , site two off somewhere else has images<br>all done via stealthy lil trips<br>who knows what else is done this way. HAHA, add some encryption over the actual file and for the torrent and what do you have. Pre-COLD-WAR you'd get fried for doing this kinda stuff under the munitions act.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>site one lists all the images torrents , site two off somewhere else has imagesall done via stealthy lil tripswho knows what else is done this way .
HAHA , add some encryption over the actual file and for the torrent and what do you have .
Pre-COLD-WAR you 'd get fried for doing this kinda stuff under the munitions act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>site one lists all the images torrents , site two off somewhere else has imagesall done via stealthy lil tripswho knows what else is done this way.
HAHA, add some encryption over the actual file and for the torrent and what do you have.
Pre-COLD-WAR you'd get fried for doing this kinda stuff under the munitions act.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705053</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247680920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is probably what uuencode is for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is probably what uuencode is for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is probably what uuencode is for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707067</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1247689560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a sketch of a command line version in python:</p><p><a href="http://pastebin.com/f36d1639b" title="pastebin.com" rel="nofollow">http://pastebin.com/f36d1639b</a> [pastebin.com]</p><p>No error checking, not well tested, I forgot to use the filename given in the torrent as the output file instead of the shorter name I was using to simply comparisons, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a sketch of a command line version in python : http : //pastebin.com/f36d1639b [ pastebin.com ] No error checking , not well tested , I forgot to use the filename given in the torrent as the output file instead of the shorter name I was using to simply comparisons , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a sketch of a command line version in python:http://pastebin.com/f36d1639b [pastebin.com]No error checking, not well tested, I forgot to use the filename given in the torrent as the output file instead of the shorter name I was using to simply comparisons, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704013</id>
	<title>Re:Why not just use slashdot instead?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247675880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parent is wise. It would be easy for any image hosting site to detect something like this. They would just have to scan it as they receive it. Nobody wins when you just encode it using a simple straightforward and one-time algorithm.</p><p>What the authors need to do is provide some sort of key to decoding the torrent file. Instead of creating an entire image of it, they should instead take a standard image, and use some cypher method that would slightly distort the it (blur, stretch, etc.) in some way that would allow recovery of the torrent data. Then it wouldn't be obvious to the naked eye and you could just post the information necessary to decode the information from some other location. But is this worth the effort when torrents are still easy to find? Probably not yet, but in the future it may be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parent is wise .
It would be easy for any image hosting site to detect something like this .
They would just have to scan it as they receive it .
Nobody wins when you just encode it using a simple straightforward and one-time algorithm.What the authors need to do is provide some sort of key to decoding the torrent file .
Instead of creating an entire image of it , they should instead take a standard image , and use some cypher method that would slightly distort the it ( blur , stretch , etc .
) in some way that would allow recovery of the torrent data .
Then it would n't be obvious to the naked eye and you could just post the information necessary to decode the information from some other location .
But is this worth the effort when torrents are still easy to find ?
Probably not yet , but in the future it may be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent is wise.
It would be easy for any image hosting site to detect something like this.
They would just have to scan it as they receive it.
Nobody wins when you just encode it using a simple straightforward and one-time algorithm.What the authors need to do is provide some sort of key to decoding the torrent file.
Instead of creating an entire image of it, they should instead take a standard image, and use some cypher method that would slightly distort the it (blur, stretch, etc.
) in some way that would allow recovery of the torrent data.
Then it wouldn't be obvious to the naked eye and you could just post the information necessary to decode the information from some other location.
But is this worth the effort when torrents are still easy to find?
Probably not yet, but in the future it may be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703849</id>
	<title>Re:PNGs?!</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1247674920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>instead of difficult compression algorithms, I've a better solution for embedding text information in ascii porn.  I'll share it as soon as the patent is granted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>instead of difficult compression algorithms , I 've a better solution for embedding text information in ascii porn .
I 'll share it as soon as the patent is granted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>instead of difficult compression algorithms, I've a better solution for embedding text information in ascii porn.
I'll share it as soon as the patent is granted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702949</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're trying to post torrents into a web board that won't let you, wouldn't it be easier to encode the torrent to ASCII somehow?  Say, MIME or yEnc?  I mean, you want people to find the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent, so there's no point in hiding it with steganography.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're trying to post torrents into a web board that wo n't let you , would n't it be easier to encode the torrent to ASCII somehow ?
Say , MIME or yEnc ?
I mean , you want people to find the .torrent , so there 's no point in hiding it with steganography .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're trying to post torrents into a web board that won't let you, wouldn't it be easier to encode the torrent to ASCII somehow?
Say, MIME or yEnc?
I mean, you want people to find the .torrent, so there's no point in hiding it with steganography.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703333</id>
	<title>what does this do that</title>
	<author>kickedfortrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1247671800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>ren *.torrent *.png
<br> <br>
wouldnt?
<br> <br>
(on windows...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>ren * .torrent * .png wouldnt ?
( on windows... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ren *.torrent *.png
 
wouldnt?
(on windows...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702959</id>
	<title>Re:wait wait wait...</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1247669820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?</i></p><p>I believe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_minor\_characters\_in\_Firefly#Mr.\_Universe" title="wikipedia.org">Mr. Universe</a> [wikipedia.org] expressed those very sentiments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out " the man " and get away with it ? I believe Mr. Universe [ wikipedia.org ] expressed those very sentiments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?I believe Mr. Universe [wikipedia.org] expressed those very sentiments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703171</id>
	<title>Re:wait wait wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?</p><p>I'm just utterly shocked.</p></div><p>Oh just wait, PNG's won't be around much longer.<br>Remember folks, when PNG's are outlawed only outlaws will have PNG's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out " the man " and get away with it ? I 'm just utterly shocked.Oh just wait , PNG 's wo n't be around much longer.Remember folks , when PNG 's are outlawed only outlaws will have PNG 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you mean the pirates are going to continue to beat out "the man" and get away with it?I'm just utterly shocked.Oh just wait, PNG's won't be around much longer.Remember folks, when PNG's are outlawed only outlaws will have PNG's.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703605</id>
	<title>Re:PNG vs JPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247673420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoooosh!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoooosh ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoooosh!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704833</id>
	<title>Re:Why limit it to torrents?</title>
	<author>soniCron88</author>
	<datestamp>1247680080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fun thing to do with this: convert a raw audio waveform to PNG with his tool, then convert it to JPG (with some modest compression), then back to waveform.<br> <br>

Obviously, it's not going to sound wonderful, anymore, but it's a fun experiment in lossy compression in the audio domain. (Albeit a wholly inefficient and crappy one, but fun!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fun thing to do with this : convert a raw audio waveform to PNG with his tool , then convert it to JPG ( with some modest compression ) , then back to waveform .
Obviously , it 's not going to sound wonderful , anymore , but it 's a fun experiment in lossy compression in the audio domain .
( Albeit a wholly inefficient and crappy one , but fun !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fun thing to do with this: convert a raw audio waveform to PNG with his tool, then convert it to JPG (with some modest compression), then back to waveform.
Obviously, it's not going to sound wonderful, anymore, but it's a fun experiment in lossy compression in the audio domain.
(Albeit a wholly inefficient and crappy one, but fun!
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703527</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28707623</id>
	<title>Might still be useful</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247649000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would let you host them anonymously on freenet without the trouble of how to run a regular tracker on there.</p><p>There you can post descriptions to your hearts content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would let you host them anonymously on freenet without the trouble of how to run a regular tracker on there.There you can post descriptions to your hearts content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would let you host them anonymously on freenet without the trouble of how to run a regular tracker on there.There you can post descriptions to your hearts content.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703535</id>
	<title>Re:PNG vs JPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247672940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was being <i>ironic</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was being ironic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was being ironic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703181</id>
	<title>Re:wait wait wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well the software is open source. So it shouldn't take too long for forums to be able to filter out files made in this fashion fairly simply. They just need a filter on their upload that uses the decoding function and checks to see if it returns readable text and then block the upload.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the software is open source .
So it should n't take too long for forums to be able to filter out files made in this fashion fairly simply .
They just need a filter on their upload that uses the decoding function and checks to see if it returns readable text and then block the upload .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the software is open source.
So it shouldn't take too long for forums to be able to filter out files made in this fashion fairly simply.
They just need a filter on their upload that uses the decoding function and checks to see if it returns readable text and then block the upload.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703707</id>
	<title>Not really steganography...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247674080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steganography hides data in an innocuous-looking "carrier" signal; e.g., a photo from your vacation; it's about hiding in plain sight.  These images are not pictures of anything, and very obviously represent just a bunch of bits shoved into an image.  It's the difference between a spy sending the message "So, I hear the Yankees won the other day" to communicate "assassinate the prime minister" to his partner, and sending the message "ENCRYPTED: XLAIHOIUHLEGDHGDLHSLKJHDGS" to his partner.  The former avoids suspicion; the latter arouses it.</p><p>Better would be to just shove the torrents into some "reserved" or "metadata" portion of the image format, say somewhere in the header, or after the last byte of the image data (or similar; I'm not super familiar with the implementation details of these formats).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steganography hides data in an innocuous-looking " carrier " signal ; e.g. , a photo from your vacation ; it 's about hiding in plain sight .
These images are not pictures of anything , and very obviously represent just a bunch of bits shoved into an image .
It 's the difference between a spy sending the message " So , I hear the Yankees won the other day " to communicate " assassinate the prime minister " to his partner , and sending the message " ENCRYPTED : XLAIHOIUHLEGDHGDLHSLKJHDGS " to his partner .
The former avoids suspicion ; the latter arouses it.Better would be to just shove the torrents into some " reserved " or " metadata " portion of the image format , say somewhere in the header , or after the last byte of the image data ( or similar ; I 'm not super familiar with the implementation details of these formats ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steganography hides data in an innocuous-looking "carrier" signal; e.g., a photo from your vacation; it's about hiding in plain sight.
These images are not pictures of anything, and very obviously represent just a bunch of bits shoved into an image.
It's the difference between a spy sending the message "So, I hear the Yankees won the other day" to communicate "assassinate the prime minister" to his partner, and sending the message "ENCRYPTED: XLAIHOIUHLEGDHGDLHSLKJHDGS" to his partner.
The former avoids suspicion; the latter arouses it.Better would be to just shove the torrents into some "reserved" or "metadata" portion of the image format, say somewhere in the header, or after the last byte of the image data (or similar; I'm not super familiar with the implementation details of these formats).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703799</id>
	<title>Re:Won't work well</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1247674620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run a small Internet forum supported solely from member donations.  We allow image attachments.  The forum software we use is old, but the community is used to it and frankly it works fine for our purposes.  If we were required to filter images for possible torrents hidden inside it would likely require that we:  1) Change forum software - a big time sink and something that would possibly cost us money or 2) Require us to invest in some sort of torrent filtering software (again time to set up and money to purchase).  If we didn't buy this, we would risk being sued over people posting torrent-loaded images to our forum.  If we did buy it, we would risk having to shut down due to overwhelming expense.  (Of course, this is ignoring Safe Harbor laws which Big Content Owners would like to see vanish.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run a small Internet forum supported solely from member donations .
We allow image attachments .
The forum software we use is old , but the community is used to it and frankly it works fine for our purposes .
If we were required to filter images for possible torrents hidden inside it would likely require that we : 1 ) Change forum software - a big time sink and something that would possibly cost us money or 2 ) Require us to invest in some sort of torrent filtering software ( again time to set up and money to purchase ) .
If we did n't buy this , we would risk being sued over people posting torrent-loaded images to our forum .
If we did buy it , we would risk having to shut down due to overwhelming expense .
( Of course , this is ignoring Safe Harbor laws which Big Content Owners would like to see vanish .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run a small Internet forum supported solely from member donations.
We allow image attachments.
The forum software we use is old, but the community is used to it and frankly it works fine for our purposes.
If we were required to filter images for possible torrents hidden inside it would likely require that we:  1) Change forum software - a big time sink and something that would possibly cost us money or 2) Require us to invest in some sort of torrent filtering software (again time to set up and money to purchase).
If we didn't buy this, we would risk being sued over people posting torrent-loaded images to our forum.
If we did buy it, we would risk having to shut down due to overwhelming expense.
(Of course, this is ignoring Safe Harbor laws which Big Content Owners would like to see vanish.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702937</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703785</id>
	<title>Why bother to hide it at all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247674500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the process creates works of intrinsic art of themselves, new works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the process creates works of intrinsic art of themselves , new works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the process creates works of intrinsic art of themselves, new works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703451</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28708129</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>swilver</author>
	<datestamp>1247651520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Insightful?</p><p>Even if it WAS an invalid PNG file, if IE crashed because of that then you have much bigger problems to worry about (hint: such "crashes" are exactly the thing hackers exploit to gain access to your machine).  IE should not crash on any invalid data it is fed, that includes images, HTML, bad javascripting, and so on.  If a bad image file crashes IE, then it is possible hackers could craft an image file that doesn't crash IE but may do something nasty instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Insightful ? Even if it WAS an invalid PNG file , if IE crashed because of that then you have much bigger problems to worry about ( hint : such " crashes " are exactly the thing hackers exploit to gain access to your machine ) .
IE should not crash on any invalid data it is fed , that includes images , HTML , bad javascripting , and so on .
If a bad image file crashes IE , then it is possible hackers could craft an image file that does n't crash IE but may do something nasty instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insightful?Even if it WAS an invalid PNG file, if IE crashed because of that then you have much bigger problems to worry about (hint: such "crashes" are exactly the thing hackers exploit to gain access to your machine).
IE should not crash on any invalid data it is fed, that includes images, HTML, bad javascripting, and so on.
If a bad image file crashes IE, then it is possible hackers could craft an image file that doesn't crash IE but may do something nasty instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703005</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702815</id>
	<title>Just make sure your image hosting site...</title>
	<author>lobiusmoop</author>
	<datestamp>1247669160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>doesn't re-scale or tag your uploaded images first!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>does n't re-scale or tag your uploaded images first !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doesn't re-scale or tag your uploaded images first!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702801</id>
	<title>Still limited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading. Without context, warehoused information is useless. And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still <a href="http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php" title="sooke.bc.ca">colored bits</a> [sooke.bc.ca].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hosting a bunch of images does n't do any good unless you have a text ( or at least searchable ) description of what you 're downloading .
Without context , warehoused information is useless .
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information ( that is , they 're still colored bits [ sooke.bc.ca ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.
Without context, warehoused information is useless.
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still colored bits [sooke.bc.ca].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28706637</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>afxgrin</author>
	<datestamp>1247687640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Firefox 3.5 plugin doesn't work under Linux.  It saves exactly 0 bytes for all files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Firefox 3.5 plugin does n't work under Linux .
It saves exactly 0 bytes for all files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Firefox 3.5 plugin doesn't work under Linux.
It saves exactly 0 bytes for all files.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704403</id>
	<title>Re:4chan banned similiar images</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1247677800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't get it, appending anything to a JPG is only useful if a) the recipient is aware of that and b) wants to open the rar for what's inside. I fail to see how that's a virus infection risk otherwise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it , appending anything to a JPG is only useful if a ) the recipient is aware of that and b ) wants to open the rar for what 's inside .
I fail to see how that 's a virus infection risk otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it, appending anything to a JPG is only useful if a) the recipient is aware of that and b) wants to open the rar for what's inside.
I fail to see how that's a virus infection risk otherwise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703965</id>
	<title>Junk Tech</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1247675640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>MAFIAA</em>: We'll sue torrent hosters.</p><p><em>Web Site Operators</em>: Make sure to convert all images that are uploaded and embed a stenographic message of "This image has been processed by (web site name here)"</p><p><em>Result</em>: The Encoded torrent info is destroyed due to the subsequent stenography applied to the image.</p><p>I expect that code to be in drupal and damn near every CMS within the next month to avoid the MAFIAA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MAFIAA : We 'll sue torrent hosters.Web Site Operators : Make sure to convert all images that are uploaded and embed a stenographic message of " This image has been processed by ( web site name here ) " Result : The Encoded torrent info is destroyed due to the subsequent stenography applied to the image.I expect that code to be in drupal and damn near every CMS within the next month to avoid the MAFIAA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MAFIAA: We'll sue torrent hosters.Web Site Operators: Make sure to convert all images that are uploaded and embed a stenographic message of "This image has been processed by (web site name here)"Result: The Encoded torrent info is destroyed due to the subsequent stenography applied to the image.I expect that code to be in drupal and damn near every CMS within the next month to avoid the MAFIAA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702839</id>
	<title>Why not rob a bank instead?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And find ways to get aways with it.</p><p>huh?<br>huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And find ways to get aways with it.huh ? huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And find ways to get aways with it.huh?huh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702905</id>
	<title>Does that mean...</title>
	<author>EricX2</author>
	<datestamp>1247669520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can download all of my pirated torrents and view pr0n in one convenient step? If so, this is one brilliant Nutt!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can download all of my pirated torrents and view pr0n in one convenient step ?
If so , this is one brilliant Nutt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can download all of my pirated torrents and view pr0n in one convenient step?
If so, this is one brilliant Nutt!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703827</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1247674740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to make that work someone would also have to invent a Text and Associated Image Peruser client and also a standard Peruser protocol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to make that work someone would also have to invent a Text and Associated Image Peruser client and also a standard Peruser protocol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to make that work someone would also have to invent a Text and Associated Image Peruser client and also a standard Peruser protocol.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703167</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702929</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247669640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading. Without context, warehoused information is useless. And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still colored bits [sooke.bc.ca].</p></div><p>Hence the suggestion in the summary:</p><blockquote><div><p> 'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file. Many <strong>forums will allow uploading images</strong> but not other types of files.'</p></div> </blockquote><p>(empasis mine)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hosting a bunch of images does n't do any good unless you have a text ( or at least searchable ) description of what you 're downloading .
Without context , warehoused information is useless .
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information ( that is , they 're still colored bits [ sooke.bc.ca ] .Hence the suggestion in the summary : 'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file .
Many forums will allow uploading images but not other types of files .
' ( empasis mine )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.
Without context, warehoused information is useless.
And these PNG files are just different representations of the same quasi-legal information (that is, they're still colored bits [sooke.bc.ca].Hence the suggestion in the summary: 'The difference is that you no longer need an indexing site to host your torrent file.
Many forums will allow uploading images but not other types of files.
' (empasis mine)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703325</id>
	<title>RARJPG?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247671800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it's detected by forum though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it 's detected by forum though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it's detected by forum though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28725971</id>
	<title>Uh, QR code?</title>
	<author>mykro76</author>
	<datestamp>1247763240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has nobody heard of them?

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR\_Code" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR\_Code</a> [wikipedia.org]

An established standard for encoding text as an image.

Bonus is - any current smart phone with the right app can recognise qrcodes.

There's dozens of open source libraries to encode and decode them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has nobody heard of them ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR \ _Code [ wikipedia.org ] An established standard for encoding text as an image .
Bonus is - any current smart phone with the right app can recognise qrcodes .
There 's dozens of open source libraries to encode and decode them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has nobody heard of them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR\_Code [wikipedia.org]

An established standard for encoding text as an image.
Bonus is - any current smart phone with the right app can recognise qrcodes.
There's dozens of open source libraries to encode and decode them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703519</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1247672820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to <i>lie</i> in the metadata for a file.  It's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user, and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app.  This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.</p></div><p>I know, I know...  This is Slashdot, nobody reads the article.  But could you at least <i>read</i> the summary?</p><p>They aren't re-naming a file.  They aren't just dropping the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent extension and replacing it with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.png  The resulting file isn't going to run any malicious code or do anything bizzarre.</p><p>They're encoding the bits of the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file in a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.png image.  It actually creates an image.  Looks like some kind of abstract/modern art kind of thing...  Blocks of bright colors.  You could open it with any graphics program...  Set it as your wallpaper...  Send it off to WalMart to be printed on photo paper...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata , and I do n't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file .
It 's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user , and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app .
This just seems like asking for more problems , as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.I know , I know... This is Slashdot , nobody reads the article .
But could you at least read the summary ? They are n't re-naming a file .
They are n't just dropping the .torrent extension and replacing it with .png The resulting file is n't going to run any malicious code or do anything bizzarre.They 're encoding the bits of the .torrent file in a .png image .
It actually creates an image .
Looks like some kind of abstract/modern art kind of thing... Blocks of bright colors .
You could open it with any graphics program... Set it as your wallpaper... Send it off to WalMart to be printed on photo paper.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Filename extensions are a form of metadata, and I don't think it sets a good precedent to lie in the metadata for a file.
It's bad enough that we have Windows hiding filename extensions from the user, and encouraging people to just double-click on a file to launch the associated app.
This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.I know, I know...  This is Slashdot, nobody reads the article.
But could you at least read the summary?They aren't re-naming a file.
They aren't just dropping the .torrent extension and replacing it with .png  The resulting file isn't going to run any malicious code or do anything bizzarre.They're encoding the bits of the .torrent file in a .png image.
It actually creates an image.
Looks like some kind of abstract/modern art kind of thing...  Blocks of bright colors.
You could open it with any graphics program...  Set it as your wallpaper...  Send it off to WalMart to be printed on photo paper...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703167</id>
	<title>Re:Still limited</title>
	<author>tooyoung</author>
	<datestamp>1247671140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading. Without context, warehoused information is useless.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yes, someone should invent a method for posting images on the internet and associating text with them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hosting a bunch of images does n't do any good unless you have a text ( or at least searchable ) description of what you 're downloading .
Without context , warehoused information is useless .
Yes , someone should invent a method for posting images on the internet and associating text with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hosting a bunch of images doesn't do any good unless you have a text (or at least searchable) description of what you're downloading.
Without context, warehoused information is useless.
Yes, someone should invent a method for posting images on the internet and associating text with them.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28709981</id>
	<title>qr code instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247660220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A better option would be to encode the torrent's magnet URL into a QR code and the distribute that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A better option would be to encode the torrent 's magnet URL into a QR code and the distribute that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better option would be to encode the torrent's magnet URL into a QR code and the distribute that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705767</id>
	<title>Re:Why browser plugins?</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1247683560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this gains traction I expect BT clients to support these images directly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this gains traction I expect BT clients to support these images directly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this gains traction I expect BT clients to support these images directly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702927</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703187</id>
	<title>Re:Bad metadata</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1247671200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure where you're getting all this from? If the PNG file is a valid PNG file, it's not lying in the metadata. It's perfectly correct - and actually, it would by lying to label it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent in this form, since it isn't a valid torrent file.</p><p><i>This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.</i></p><p>Why would IE crash? IE would display the PNG file. But if you fed an encoded file to your torrent application, it wouldn't know what to do with it.</p><p>(And as an aside, even if the file is invalid, the application shouldn't really crash...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure where you 're getting all this from ?
If the PNG file is a valid PNG file , it 's not lying in the metadata .
It 's perfectly correct - and actually , it would by lying to label it .torrent in this form , since it is n't a valid torrent file.This just seems like asking for more problems , as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.Why would IE crash ?
IE would display the PNG file .
But if you fed an encoded file to your torrent application , it would n't know what to do with it .
( And as an aside , even if the file is invalid , the application should n't really crash... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure where you're getting all this from?
If the PNG file is a valid PNG file, it's not lying in the metadata.
It's perfectly correct - and actually, it would by lying to label it .torrent in this form, since it isn't a valid torrent file.This just seems like asking for more problems, as people try to double-click on mjthriller.png and it launches - and crashes - IE.Why would IE crash?
IE would display the PNG file.
But if you fed an encoded file to your torrent application, it wouldn't know what to do with it.
(And as an aside, even if the file is invalid, the application shouldn't really crash...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28705949</id>
	<title>Re:What?</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1247684280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steganography?  This article has nothing to do with the prehistoric writings of a stegosaurus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steganography ?
This article has nothing to do with the prehistoric writings of a stegosaurus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steganography?
This article has nothing to do with the prehistoric writings of a stegosaurus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28702793</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28704445</id>
	<title>Re:An example..</title>
	<author>shawnce</author>
	<datestamp>1247678100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I squint my eyes and try focus behind the image I think a see a tea pot... or maybe two whales humping? Cool 3D effect!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I squint my eyes and try focus behind the image I think a see a tea pot... or maybe two whales humping ?
Cool 3D effect !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I squint my eyes and try focus behind the image I think a see a tea pot... or maybe two whales humping?
Cool 3D effect!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703011</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1314253.28703769</id>
	<title>Why worry about the torrents?</title>
	<author>fishbowl</author>
	<datestamp>1247674440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And not worry about the *transport?*</p><p>The Torrent file is just a little bit of text information, but what about the actual transfer, where huge amounts of data are transferred with the endpoints just flapping in the breeze, waiting for some authority figure to take notice?  This is the 21st century.  Shouldn't some cryptographic scheme be in place making it impossible for things like governments and XXAA's to take any interest in what goes on in the torrent transfer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And not worry about the * transport ?
* The Torrent file is just a little bit of text information , but what about the actual transfer , where huge amounts of data are transferred with the endpoints just flapping in the breeze , waiting for some authority figure to take notice ?
This is the 21st century .
Should n't some cryptographic scheme be in place making it impossible for things like governments and XXAA 's to take any interest in what goes on in the torrent transfer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And not worry about the *transport?
*The Torrent file is just a little bit of text information, but what about the actual transfer, where huge amounts of data are transferred with the endpoints just flapping in the breeze, waiting for some authority figure to take notice?
This is the 21st century.
Shouldn't some cryptographic scheme be in place making it impossible for things like governments and XXAA's to take any interest in what goes on in the torrent transfer?</sentencetext>
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