<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_12_216240</id>
	<title>Swine Flu Kills Obese People Disproportionately</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247389860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:folderol@fancypants.org" rel="nofollow">Philip K Dickhead</a> writes <i>"Bloomberg is reporting that the World Health Organization discovered a single, surprising characteristic that's emerged among swine flu victims who become severely ill: <a href="http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&amp;sid=aM.7Dg3Z\_msI">They are all fat</a>. Infected people with a body mass index greater than 40 suffer respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal. The virus appears to be on a collision course with the obesity epidemic. WHO officials are gathering statistics to confirm and understand this development. 'It's very likely that if we went back retrospectively and looked at people who did poorly during seasonal flu, what would shake out is that obesity would be one of the risks.' Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body's immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO's chronic diseases department in Geneva."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Philip K Dickhead writes " Bloomberg is reporting that the World Health Organization discovered a single , surprising characteristic that 's emerged among swine flu victims who become severely ill : They are all fat .
Infected people with a body mass index greater than 40 suffer respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal .
The virus appears to be on a collision course with the obesity epidemic .
WHO officials are gathering statistics to confirm and understand this development .
'It 's very likely that if we went back retrospectively and looked at people who did poorly during seasonal flu , what would shake out is that obesity would be one of the risks .
' Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic , low-level inflammation that can hamper the body 's immune response and narrow the airways , says Tim Armstrong , a doctor working in the WHO 's chronic diseases department in Geneva .
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<sentencetext>Philip K Dickhead writes "Bloomberg is reporting that the World Health Organization discovered a single, surprising characteristic that's emerged among swine flu victims who become severely ill: They are all fat.
Infected people with a body mass index greater than 40 suffer respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal.
The virus appears to be on a collision course with the obesity epidemic.
WHO officials are gathering statistics to confirm and understand this development.
'It's very likely that if we went back retrospectively and looked at people who did poorly during seasonal flu, what would shake out is that obesity would be one of the risks.
' Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body's immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO's chronic diseases department in Geneva.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670943</id>
	<title>Re:It's not news that fat is harmful</title>
	<author>xlv</author>
	<datestamp>1247403300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So why is this considered news, let alone for nerds?<br>[...]<br>It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well it looks like you changed your mind as you were writing the post as the second paragraph implies you learned something reading the summary...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So why is this considered news , let alone for nerds ? [ .. .
] It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties.Well it looks like you changed your mind as you were writing the post as the second paragraph implies you learned something reading the summary.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why is this considered news, let alone for nerds?[...
]It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties.Well it looks like you changed your mind as you were writing the post as the second paragraph implies you learned something reading the summary...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671045</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>maztuhblastah</author>
	<datestamp>1247404080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered. What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies? How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc. foods?</p></div><p>Maybe I'm showing my age here, but I remember a time when we [as a society] considered adults to be responsible for their own nutritional choices.</p><p>Yes, yes... I know that it's all somehow the fault of a faceless corporation that so many people are fat -- but the truth is, self-control has a lot to do with it too.  It's not hard to eat healthy food even on a budget.  All you have to do is forgo the convenience of having everything prepared for you and be willing to spend 20 minutes shopping for your own ingredients, plus a bit of time each day to prepare yourself meals.  I've managed that very feat for many, many years, including several years as a near-broke college student.</p><p>Sure it's convenient to grab a burger and fries, but it's not any cheaper than preparing your own dinner (it's almost certainly more expensive to buy prepared food than to do your own cooking) and I guarantee it's not as healthy as cooking your own meal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered .
What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies ?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds ' , Wendys ' , etc .
foods ? Maybe I 'm showing my age here , but I remember a time when we [ as a society ] considered adults to be responsible for their own nutritional choices.Yes , yes... I know that it 's all somehow the fault of a faceless corporation that so many people are fat -- but the truth is , self-control has a lot to do with it too .
It 's not hard to eat healthy food even on a budget .
All you have to do is forgo the convenience of having everything prepared for you and be willing to spend 20 minutes shopping for your own ingredients , plus a bit of time each day to prepare yourself meals .
I 've managed that very feat for many , many years , including several years as a near-broke college student.Sure it 's convenient to grab a burger and fries , but it 's not any cheaper than preparing your own dinner ( it 's almost certainly more expensive to buy prepared food than to do your own cooking ) and I guarantee it 's not as healthy as cooking your own meal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.
What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc.
foods?Maybe I'm showing my age here, but I remember a time when we [as a society] considered adults to be responsible for their own nutritional choices.Yes, yes... I know that it's all somehow the fault of a faceless corporation that so many people are fat -- but the truth is, self-control has a lot to do with it too.
It's not hard to eat healthy food even on a budget.
All you have to do is forgo the convenience of having everything prepared for you and be willing to spend 20 minutes shopping for your own ingredients, plus a bit of time each day to prepare yourself meals.
I've managed that very feat for many, many years, including several years as a near-broke college student.Sure it's convenient to grab a burger and fries, but it's not any cheaper than preparing your own dinner (it's almost certainly more expensive to buy prepared food than to do your own cooking) and I guarantee it's not as healthy as cooking your own meal.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669943</id>
	<title>Darwinism is Finally Back!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>After a long stretch of reverse Darwinism, it's good to see natural selection finally culling the herd as it should.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After a long stretch of reverse Darwinism , it 's good to see natural selection finally culling the herd as it should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After a long stretch of reverse Darwinism, it's good to see natural selection finally culling the herd as it should.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670047</id>
	<title>Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>yoursurrogategod</author>
	<datestamp>1247394840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.

What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies?  How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc. foods?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered .
What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies ?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds ' , Wendys ' , etc .
foods ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.
What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc.
foods?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28675085</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>JobyOne</author>
	<datestamp>1247494380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There isn't much of a correlation.  That's exactly the problem with BMI.<br> <br>

I'm a pretty lean guy, with about 9\% body fat, but my BMI consistently hovers right on the border between normal and overweight, just because I'm also denser than most people. If I judged my fitness by BMI and acted accordingly I'd probably wind up hurting my overall fitness and general health by starving myself into losing muscle mass.<br> <br>

I think a lot of people do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't much of a correlation .
That 's exactly the problem with BMI .
I 'm a pretty lean guy , with about 9 \ % body fat , but my BMI consistently hovers right on the border between normal and overweight , just because I 'm also denser than most people .
If I judged my fitness by BMI and acted accordingly I 'd probably wind up hurting my overall fitness and general health by starving myself into losing muscle mass .
I think a lot of people do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't much of a correlation.
That's exactly the problem with BMI.
I'm a pretty lean guy, with about 9\% body fat, but my BMI consistently hovers right on the border between normal and overweight, just because I'm also denser than most people.
If I judged my fitness by BMI and acted accordingly I'd probably wind up hurting my overall fitness and general health by starving myself into losing muscle mass.
I think a lot of people do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671033</id>
	<title>illegal immigrants fast food.</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1247403960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i was never sick when i was fat and i'm never sick when i am thin, i think there are more things than just being fat.

like illegal immigrants working in the fast food industry in America...
and of course poor hygiene control and wages which are too low, a isn't it nice to be a fatty in America?</htmltext>
<tokenext>i was never sick when i was fat and i 'm never sick when i am thin , i think there are more things than just being fat .
like illegal immigrants working in the fast food industry in America.. . and of course poor hygiene control and wages which are too low , a is n't it nice to be a fatty in America ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i was never sick when i was fat and i'm never sick when i am thin, i think there are more things than just being fat.
like illegal immigrants working in the fast food industry in America...
and of course poor hygiene control and wages which are too low, a isn't it nice to be a fatty in America?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670201</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247396040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BMI is an incorrect way to deteremine a persons immunity defense and state. A immunity, white blood and t-cell count is the correct way.</p><p>You can be skinny and have a poor immune system just like you can be fat (not morbidly obese, less then 30lbs over weight) and have an extremely healthy immune system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is an incorrect way to deteremine a persons immunity defense and state .
A immunity , white blood and t-cell count is the correct way.You can be skinny and have a poor immune system just like you can be fat ( not morbidly obese , less then 30lbs over weight ) and have an extremely healthy immune system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is an incorrect way to deteremine a persons immunity defense and state.
A immunity, white blood and t-cell count is the correct way.You can be skinny and have a poor immune system just like you can be fat (not morbidly obese, less then 30lbs over weight) and have an extremely healthy immune system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670591</id>
	<title>Super Lame!!</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1247399820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My only chance is to filter my air through this huge pile of empty pie wrappers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My only chance is to filter my air through this huge pile of empty pie wrappers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My only chance is to filter my air through this huge pile of empty pie wrappers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671421</id>
	<title>How about this for stimulus plan?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247407860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish the government just gave people 100\% rebate on their Gym membership if they actually go and use the gym. It's amazing the results you see after just 3 weeks of regular gym visits.</p><p>Another thing. People have trouble understanding hunger.  You are not "hungry" when you don't feel full. And being actually physically hungry (nothing in your stomach) is about as painful as exercise.  So people  who don't exercise and eat too much probably have very shitty tolerance for pain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish the government just gave people 100 \ % rebate on their Gym membership if they actually go and use the gym .
It 's amazing the results you see after just 3 weeks of regular gym visits.Another thing .
People have trouble understanding hunger .
You are not " hungry " when you do n't feel full .
And being actually physically hungry ( nothing in your stomach ) is about as painful as exercise .
So people who do n't exercise and eat too much probably have very shitty tolerance for pain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish the government just gave people 100\% rebate on their Gym membership if they actually go and use the gym.
It's amazing the results you see after just 3 weeks of regular gym visits.Another thing.
People have trouble understanding hunger.
You are not "hungry" when you don't feel full.
And being actually physically hungry (nothing in your stomach) is about as painful as exercise.
So people  who don't exercise and eat too much probably have very shitty tolerance for pain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673027</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247426040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Try percent body fat instead.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I agree. <a href="http://health.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol.htm/printable" title="howstuffworks.com" rel="nofollow">Healthy person's Low-Density Lipoprotein aka LDL is less than 160.</a> [howstuffworks.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try percent body fat instead .
I agree .
Healthy person 's Low-Density Lipoprotein aka LDL is less than 160 .
[ howstuffworks.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try percent body fat instead.
I agree.
Healthy person's Low-Density Lipoprotein aka LDL is less than 160.
[howstuffworks.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671777</id>
	<title>On the upside...</title>
	<author>rekinom</author>
	<datestamp>1247411040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...could mean a significant decrease in methane emissions, and possibly even a measurable reduction in global warming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic ...could mean a significant decrease in methane emissions , and possibly even a measurable reduction in global warming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic ...could mean a significant decrease in methane emissions, and possibly even a measurable reduction in global warming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672913</id>
	<title>Re:Obesity = Bad general health?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247424540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about "You just got Darwined"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about " You just got Darwined "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about "You just got Darwined"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673117</id>
	<title>Pretty obvious</title>
	<author>Mystery00</author>
	<datestamp>1247427420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Survival of the fittest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Survival of the fittest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Survival of the fittest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669849</id>
	<title>Newsflash</title>
	<author>Mendoksou</author>
	<datestamp>1247393640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obesity is bad for you. More news at 11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obesity is bad for you .
More news at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obesity is bad for you.
More news at 11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672009</id>
	<title>Re:Overweight is symptom, not cause</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1247413380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  I used to ride 100 miles a week on average.   Eat almost entirely vegetarian food which was low in fat.   Rock climb every day during lunch.  And get sick like 5 times a year.</p><p>Now I only ride about 30 miles a week.   Eat fast food every other day.   Drink coffee more regularly and almost never get sick.</p><p>The change?  I stopped spending time around sick people and get more sleep.   School is the perfect storm for illness.  Stress and Exposure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I used to ride 100 miles a week on average .
Eat almost entirely vegetarian food which was low in fat .
Rock climb every day during lunch .
And get sick like 5 times a year.Now I only ride about 30 miles a week .
Eat fast food every other day .
Drink coffee more regularly and almost never get sick.The change ?
I stopped spending time around sick people and get more sleep .
School is the perfect storm for illness .
Stress and Exposure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I used to ride 100 miles a week on average.
Eat almost entirely vegetarian food which was low in fat.
Rock climb every day during lunch.
And get sick like 5 times a year.Now I only ride about 30 miles a week.
Eat fast food every other day.
Drink coffee more regularly and almost never get sick.The change?
I stopped spending time around sick people and get more sleep.
School is the perfect storm for illness.
Stress and Exposure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670393</id>
	<title>Linux users beware!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247397900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Swine Flu was created by Microsoft to rid the world of Linux users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Swine Flu was created by Microsoft to rid the world of Linux users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Swine Flu was created by Microsoft to rid the world of Linux users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670019</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>shadylookin</author>
	<datestamp>1247394660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.  Try percent body fat instead.</p></div><p>for the vast majority of people who aren't body builders it's fine and it's easier to calculate than body fat percentage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead.for the vast majority of people who are n't body builders it 's fine and it 's easier to calculate than body fat percentage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.for the vast majority of people who aren't body builders it's fine and it's easier to calculate than body fat percentage.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672721</id>
	<title>Re:Confuses cause and effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247421480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[quote]Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.[/quote]</p><p>You are unwittingly getting caught in the hype-machine.<br>Swine flu is hardly a serious threat to anyone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill. [ /quote ] You are unwittingly getting caught in the hype-machine.Swine flu is hardly a serious threat to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.[/quote]You are unwittingly getting caught in the hype-machine.Swine flu is hardly a serious threat to anyone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671209</id>
	<title>Re:Darwinism is Finally Back!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247405760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is not funny !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is not funny !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is not funny !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670641</id>
	<title>Re:Overweight is symptom, not cause</title>
	<author>DMUTPeregrine</author>
	<datestamp>1247400180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Capsaicin (the stuff that makes spicy food spicy) doesn't have any known immune-boosting effects, but the reaction to the spice can help clear the sinuses. The increased tear duct activity &amp; mucous production can help loosen mucous in the nose (it's more liquidy). Mexico has poor overall sanitation, so while their food may be helpful in treating the symptoms the risk of contracting a disease is higher.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Capsaicin ( the stuff that makes spicy food spicy ) does n't have any known immune-boosting effects , but the reaction to the spice can help clear the sinuses .
The increased tear duct activity &amp; mucous production can help loosen mucous in the nose ( it 's more liquidy ) .
Mexico has poor overall sanitation , so while their food may be helpful in treating the symptoms the risk of contracting a disease is higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capsaicin (the stuff that makes spicy food spicy) doesn't have any known immune-boosting effects, but the reaction to the spice can help clear the sinuses.
The increased tear duct activity &amp; mucous production can help loosen mucous in the nose (it's more liquidy).
Mexico has poor overall sanitation, so while their food may be helpful in treating the symptoms the risk of contracting a disease is higher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670267</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247396880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correlation does not equal causation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correlation does not equal causation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correlation does not equal causation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671657</id>
	<title>The Swine Flu Pandemic - Fact or Fiction?</title>
	<author>Paul Fernhout</author>
	<datestamp>1247409780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pandemic means spread, not severity. Dr. Mercola suggests concerns about the swine flu may be overblown. See:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx" title="mercola.com">http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx</a> [mercola.com]<br>"To put things into perspective, malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY, and it's considered "a health problem"... But of course, there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... As of June 12, 2009, 74 countries have officially reported 29,669 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection and only 145 deaths in the ENTIRE world from this illness. The United States has had 13217 confirmed cases, and 27 deaths. Mexico has had less cases but still has the majority of the deaths at 108.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... BUT to keep this in perspective the regular flu, not the swine flu, has killed 13,000 in the US since January. But there is strong support that these types of figures are grossly exaggerated to increase vaccine sales. However, the fact remains that the regular flu at this point in time is FAR more dangerous than the swine flu and were you worried about the regular flu before the media started talking this up?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pandemic means spread , not severity .
Dr. Mercola suggests concerns about the swine flu may be overblown .
See :     http : //articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx [ mercola.com ] " To put things into perspective , malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY , and it 's considered " a health problem " ... But of course , there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time ... As of June 12 , 2009 , 74 countries have officially reported 29,669 cases of influenza A ( H1N1 ) infection and only 145 deaths in the ENTIRE world from this illness .
The United States has had 13217 confirmed cases , and 27 deaths .
Mexico has had less cases but still has the majority of the deaths at 108 .
... BUT to keep this in perspective the regular flu , not the swine flu , has killed 13,000 in the US since January .
But there is strong support that these types of figures are grossly exaggerated to increase vaccine sales .
However , the fact remains that the regular flu at this point in time is FAR more dangerous than the swine flu and were you worried about the regular flu before the media started talking this up ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pandemic means spread, not severity.
Dr. Mercola suggests concerns about the swine flu may be overblown.
See:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx [mercola.com]"To put things into perspective, malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY, and it's considered "a health problem"... But of course, there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time ... As of June 12, 2009, 74 countries have officially reported 29,669 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection and only 145 deaths in the ENTIRE world from this illness.
The United States has had 13217 confirmed cases, and 27 deaths.
Mexico has had less cases but still has the majority of the deaths at 108.
... BUT to keep this in perspective the regular flu, not the swine flu, has killed 13,000 in the US since January.
But there is strong support that these types of figures are grossly exaggerated to increase vaccine sales.
However, the fact remains that the regular flu at this point in time is FAR more dangerous than the swine flu and were you worried about the regular flu before the media started talking this up?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673577</id>
	<title>Re:stop using the term swine flu</title>
	<author>bloobloo</author>
	<datestamp>1247477700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Spanish Flu had nothing to do with Spain, yet that's what the 1918-20 outbreak of Influenza A (H1N1) is still commonly called.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Spanish Flu had nothing to do with Spain , yet that 's what the 1918-20 outbreak of Influenza A ( H1N1 ) is still commonly called .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Spanish Flu had nothing to do with Spain, yet that's what the 1918-20 outbreak of Influenza A (H1N1) is still commonly called.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671103</id>
	<title>Convenience itself</title>
	<author>wampus</author>
	<datestamp>1247404620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You gotta give it to nature.  Two birds with one stone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta give it to nature .
Two birds with one stone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta give it to nature.
Two birds with one stone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671565</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1247408940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the purpose is to determine if somebody is fat, then looking at them is probably just as good an indicator. On the other hand, if the intent is to tie the measure to a disease, then these measures probably don't mean anything at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the purpose is to determine if somebody is fat , then looking at them is probably just as good an indicator .
On the other hand , if the intent is to tie the measure to a disease , then these measures probably do n't mean anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the purpose is to determine if somebody is fat, then looking at them is probably just as good an indicator.
On the other hand, if the intent is to tie the measure to a disease, then these measures probably don't mean anything at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670207</id>
	<title>Not all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247396160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Summary: <b>"They are all fat."</b></p><p>Article: <b>"They are fat.</b> [...] In Canada's Manitoba province, three out of five people treated for the new flu strain in intensive care units are obese."</p><p>If this virus killed <em>only</em> fat people that would be astounding. If it kills more than it's share of fat people, that's still interesting (despite all the "being fat is bad duh!" comments here) but less flashy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Summary : " They are all fat .
" Article : " They are fat .
[ ... ] In Canada 's Manitoba province , three out of five people treated for the new flu strain in intensive care units are obese .
" If this virus killed only fat people that would be astounding .
If it kills more than it 's share of fat people , that 's still interesting ( despite all the " being fat is bad duh !
" comments here ) but less flashy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Summary: "They are all fat.
"Article: "They are fat.
[...] In Canada's Manitoba province, three out of five people treated for the new flu strain in intensive care units are obese.
"If this virus killed only fat people that would be astounding.
If it kills more than it's share of fat people, that's still interesting (despite all the "being fat is bad duh!
" comments here) but less flashy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672277</id>
	<title>Re:Wake up too yourselves !!</title>
	<author>justinlee37</author>
	<datestamp>1247415960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>and most doctors who specialise in Obesity <b>make money by encouraging you to pay for their treatment</b> </i> </p><p>Fixed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and most doctors who specialise in Obesity make money by encouraging you to pay for their treatment Fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> and most doctors who specialise in Obesity make money by encouraging you to pay for their treatment  Fixed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673779</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1247480460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the words of my doctor:</p><p>"BMI is mainly useful to diagnose underweight and detect anorexia. For obesity waist measurements are better."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the words of my doctor : " BMI is mainly useful to diagnose underweight and detect anorexia .
For obesity waist measurements are better .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the words of my doctor:"BMI is mainly useful to diagnose underweight and detect anorexia.
For obesity waist measurements are better.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670433</id>
	<title>ACLU to sue..</title>
	<author>devleopard</author>
	<datestamp>1247398440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the virus. For being bigoted. Also on the same docket is the sickle cell case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the virus .
For being bigoted .
Also on the same docket is the sickle cell case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the virus.
For being bigoted.
Also on the same docket is the sickle cell case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28677623</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>BigGar'</author>
	<datestamp>1247504520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not quite true, Noah Steere 6'6 - 350lbs = BMI of 0.4<br>
<a href="http://www.wholefitness.com/biggest-bodybuilder.html" title="wholefitness.com">http://www.wholefitness.com/biggest-bodybuilder.html</a> [wholefitness.com] <br> <br>

Though granted he's an anomaly; he is an counter example to your statement of "someone with a BMI over 40 is always fat."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not quite true , Noah Steere 6'6 - 350lbs = BMI of 0.4 http : //www.wholefitness.com/biggest-bodybuilder.html [ wholefitness.com ] Though granted he 's an anomaly ; he is an counter example to your statement of " someone with a BMI over 40 is always fat .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not quite true, Noah Steere 6'6 - 350lbs = BMI of 0.4
http://www.wholefitness.com/biggest-bodybuilder.html [wholefitness.com]  

Though granted he's an anomaly; he is an counter example to your statement of "someone with a BMI over 40 is always fat.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670523</id>
	<title>Re:Darwinism is Finally Back!</title>
	<author>lxs</author>
	<datestamp>1247399220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you implying that a thorough understanding of black holes is essential for the evolutionary success of the species?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you implying that a thorough understanding of black holes is essential for the evolutionary success of the species ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you implying that a thorough understanding of black holes is essential for the evolutionary success of the species?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672139</id>
	<title>Re:It's not news that fat is harmful</title>
	<author>babyrat</author>
	<datestamp>1247414700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I'm in about the best shape I ever have been, since childhood anyway</i></p><p>or at least the best shape since you bought the coveralls...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I 'm in about the best shape I ever have been , since childhood anywayor at least the best shape since you bought the coveralls.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I'm in about the best shape I ever have been, since childhood anywayor at least the best shape since you bought the coveralls...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28688665</id>
	<title>Natural Selection</title>
	<author>darrellt</author>
	<datestamp>1247573400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't this just a classic example of natural selection; survival of the fittest? We all have life choices, the majority of the world's population can choose to eat a more healthy diet and exercise more, but if they choose not to then they have to accept the consequences. Nobody is forced to eat more than their body needs nor to exercise less, it's a personal choice in the main.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this just a classic example of natural selection ; survival of the fittest ?
We all have life choices , the majority of the world 's population can choose to eat a more healthy diet and exercise more , but if they choose not to then they have to accept the consequences .
Nobody is forced to eat more than their body needs nor to exercise less , it 's a personal choice in the main .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this just a classic example of natural selection; survival of the fittest?
We all have life choices, the majority of the world's population can choose to eat a more healthy diet and exercise more, but if they choose not to then they have to accept the consequences.
Nobody is forced to eat more than their body needs nor to exercise less, it's a personal choice in the main.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670193</id>
	<title>It hasn't been found in pigs</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1247396040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This particular flu hasn't been isolated in pigs, or any other animals so far.</p><p><a href="http://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090427.htm" title="oie.int">http://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090427.htm</a> [oie.int]<br>and<br><a href="http://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090611.htm" title="oie.int">http://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090611.htm</a> [oie.int]</p><p>So it's origins are currently unknown.</p><p>e.g.<br><a href="http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/05/14/swine-flu-shock-claim/expert-says-virus-created-in-lab-by-vaccine-scientists.html" title="www.bild.de">http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/05/14/swine-flu-shock-claim/expert-says-virus-created-in-lab-by-vaccine-scientists.html</a> [www.bild.de]</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This particular flu has n't been isolated in pigs , or any other animals so far.http : //www.oie.int/eng/press/en \ _090427.htm [ oie.int ] andhttp : //www.oie.int/eng/press/en \ _090611.htm [ oie.int ] So it 's origins are currently unknown.e.g.http : //www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/05/14/swine-flu-shock-claim/expert-says-virus-created-in-lab-by-vaccine-scientists.html [ www.bild.de ]  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>This particular flu hasn't been isolated in pigs, or any other animals so far.http://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090427.htm [oie.int]andhttp://www.oie.int/eng/press/en\_090611.htm [oie.int]So it's origins are currently unknown.e.g.http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/05/14/swine-flu-shock-claim/expert-says-virus-created-in-lab-by-vaccine-scientists.html [www.bild.de]
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670225</id>
	<title>Not such bad news, since i'm thin</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1247396280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't you hate it if, Swine Flu killed models but left fat people alive.
<p>
In Other news the <a href="http://ozswineflu.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/mortality-rate-stops-falling/" title="wordpress.com">mortality rate of H1N1</a> [wordpress.com] has apparently stablised at 0.45\%
so it not that deadly really.
</p><p>
--
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/The\%20Flu/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Flu Feed</a> [feeddistiller.com] @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't you hate it if , Swine Flu killed models but left fat people alive .
In Other news the mortality rate of H1N1 [ wordpress.com ] has apparently stablised at 0.45 \ % so it not that deadly really .
-- Flu Feed [ feeddistiller.com ] @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't you hate it if, Swine Flu killed models but left fat people alive.
In Other news the mortality rate of H1N1 [wordpress.com] has apparently stablised at 0.45\%
so it not that deadly really.
--

Flu Feed [feeddistiller.com] @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28674759</id>
	<title>Re:Overweight is symptom, not cause</title>
	<author>Faerunner</author>
	<datestamp>1247491920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spicy foods can definitely help with cold symptoms but a flu is a different kind of bug entirely. I've used capsacin (hot pepper!) and garlic in tomato juice (for the vitamin C content) to ward off nasty sinus infections and colds, but it never worked for the last flu I had, except to clear up my nasal passages so I could breathe a little easier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spicy foods can definitely help with cold symptoms but a flu is a different kind of bug entirely .
I 've used capsacin ( hot pepper !
) and garlic in tomato juice ( for the vitamin C content ) to ward off nasty sinus infections and colds , but it never worked for the last flu I had , except to clear up my nasal passages so I could breathe a little easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spicy foods can definitely help with cold symptoms but a flu is a different kind of bug entirely.
I've used capsacin (hot pepper!
) and garlic in tomato juice (for the vitamin C content) to ward off nasty sinus infections and colds, but it never worked for the last flu I had, except to clear up my nasal passages so I could breathe a little easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671639</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>yoursurrogategod</author>
	<datestamp>1247409720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed!  There was a time when you made decisions and slept in the bed that you made (although we're not at a point where we have completely abandoned these values.)</p><p>However, there are other factors.  Such as the fact that subsidies (there was also a time when these did not exist and everyone who got into a business was expected to make or lose depending on the market) do in fact shift prices unfairly.  Subsidizing corn and soy makes certain products cheaper than others, making these alternatives more attractive to healthier options (we humans will often go for what's most satisfactory in the short-term, heart disease doesn't seem too terribly gruesome and quick way to go.)  This is especially the case for those that are poorer (not to blame those folks, but when money is tight, you tend to go for the stuff that will give you more bang for buck, which is why wealthier people tend to have better nutrition.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed !
There was a time when you made decisions and slept in the bed that you made ( although we 're not at a point where we have completely abandoned these values .
) However , there are other factors .
Such as the fact that subsidies ( there was also a time when these did not exist and everyone who got into a business was expected to make or lose depending on the market ) do in fact shift prices unfairly .
Subsidizing corn and soy makes certain products cheaper than others , making these alternatives more attractive to healthier options ( we humans will often go for what 's most satisfactory in the short-term , heart disease does n't seem too terribly gruesome and quick way to go .
) This is especially the case for those that are poorer ( not to blame those folks , but when money is tight , you tend to go for the stuff that will give you more bang for buck , which is why wealthier people tend to have better nutrition .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed!
There was a time when you made decisions and slept in the bed that you made (although we're not at a point where we have completely abandoned these values.
)However, there are other factors.
Such as the fact that subsidies (there was also a time when these did not exist and everyone who got into a business was expected to make or lose depending on the market) do in fact shift prices unfairly.
Subsidizing corn and soy makes certain products cheaper than others, making these alternatives more attractive to healthier options (we humans will often go for what's most satisfactory in the short-term, heart disease doesn't seem too terribly gruesome and quick way to go.
)  This is especially the case for those that are poorer (not to blame those folks, but when money is tight, you tend to go for the stuff that will give you more bang for buck, which is why wealthier people tend to have better nutrition.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670249</id>
	<title>Re:Darwinism is Finally Back!</title>
	<author>Concerned Onlooker</author>
	<datestamp>1247396580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  We've used science to keep people alive that just should have died off a long time ago.  People like Stephen Hawking, for instance.  What a drag on the gene pool he's been.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
We 've used science to keep people alive that just should have died off a long time ago .
People like Stephen Hawking , for instance .
What a drag on the gene pool he 's been .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
We've used science to keep people alive that just should have died off a long time ago.
People like Stephen Hawking, for instance.
What a drag on the gene pool he's been.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670131</id>
	<title>only one thing to say</title>
	<author>gEvil (beta)</author>
	<datestamp>1247395620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got only one thing to say: pigs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got only one thing to say : pigs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got only one thing to say: pigs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670489</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>rm999</author>
	<datestamp>1247398920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree with you; the subsidies the US provides do not encourage a healthy American diet. They have drastically affected the supply/demand for a lot of commodities, like sugar VS corn.</p><p>But to put it into perspective, US subsidies only equal about 15-25 dollars per person per year (it varies every year, as different farm bills are passed), or about 1\% of total food expenditures in the country. Corn and wheat are cheap for several reasons. First, they grow well in the US. Also, the farming system is highly efficient; the sheer magnitude of food that is grown and transported is amazing. For example, a bushel of corn (which I think is around $3.50 right now) weighs 56 pounds. And yes, they are cheap because the US does provide some subsidies, but these subsidies are less than 10\% of the current costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with you ; the subsidies the US provides do not encourage a healthy American diet .
They have drastically affected the supply/demand for a lot of commodities , like sugar VS corn.But to put it into perspective , US subsidies only equal about 15-25 dollars per person per year ( it varies every year , as different farm bills are passed ) , or about 1 \ % of total food expenditures in the country .
Corn and wheat are cheap for several reasons .
First , they grow well in the US .
Also , the farming system is highly efficient ; the sheer magnitude of food that is grown and transported is amazing .
For example , a bushel of corn ( which I think is around $ 3.50 right now ) weighs 56 pounds .
And yes , they are cheap because the US does provide some subsidies , but these subsidies are less than 10 \ % of the current costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with you; the subsidies the US provides do not encourage a healthy American diet.
They have drastically affected the supply/demand for a lot of commodities, like sugar VS corn.But to put it into perspective, US subsidies only equal about 15-25 dollars per person per year (it varies every year, as different farm bills are passed), or about 1\% of total food expenditures in the country.
Corn and wheat are cheap for several reasons.
First, they grow well in the US.
Also, the farming system is highly efficient; the sheer magnitude of food that is grown and transported is amazing.
For example, a bushel of corn (which I think is around $3.50 right now) weighs 56 pounds.
And yes, they are cheap because the US does provide some subsidies, but these subsidies are less than 10\% of the current costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671935</id>
	<title>Re:And cue the fatty bashing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247412720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most people here aren't saying it's morally wrong. Most people here are just saying it's unhealthy. I have no problem with fat people, but you can't deny that obese people are less healthy than more fit people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people here are n't saying it 's morally wrong .
Most people here are just saying it 's unhealthy .
I have no problem with fat people , but you ca n't deny that obese people are less healthy than more fit people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people here aren't saying it's morally wrong.
Most people here are just saying it's unhealthy.
I have no problem with fat people, but you can't deny that obese people are less healthy than more fit people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670077</id>
	<title>Obesity = Bad general health?</title>
	<author>grassy\_knoll</author>
	<datestamp>1247395080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it's not so much that H1N1 affects obese people more than others, but that obesity is a sign of bad health generally?</p><p>If so, then the correlation would be "unhealthy people more likely to develop respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal".</p><p>Doesn't roll off the tongue like "swine flu kills fatties" though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it 's not so much that H1N1 affects obese people more than others , but that obesity is a sign of bad health generally ? If so , then the correlation would be " unhealthy people more likely to develop respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal " .Does n't roll off the tongue like " swine flu kills fatties " though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it's not so much that H1N1 affects obese people more than others, but that obesity is a sign of bad health generally?If so, then the correlation would be "unhealthy people more likely to develop respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal".Doesn't roll off the tongue like "swine flu kills fatties" though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673127</id>
	<title>Doesn't seem like much of a breakthrough</title>
	<author>Qrlx</author>
	<datestamp>1247427600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this really that surprising a revelation?  Don't we already know that being fat is bad for your health?</p><p>Or are we trying to out-evolve the flu here, by using our technological edge to artifically create people so fat in numbers never seen before that they serve as a sort of "leading edge" of the frontier of the genome wars?</p><p>Our Advanced Medical Technology keeps alive not just morbidly obese, but all the outliers who would have died off -- presumably of "natural causes" -- in previous generations.  They are the DEW Line, and the honeypots where future attacks can be contained and analyzed more safely.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this really that surprising a revelation ?
Do n't we already know that being fat is bad for your health ? Or are we trying to out-evolve the flu here , by using our technological edge to artifically create people so fat in numbers never seen before that they serve as a sort of " leading edge " of the frontier of the genome wars ? Our Advanced Medical Technology keeps alive not just morbidly obese , but all the outliers who would have died off -- presumably of " natural causes " -- in previous generations .
They are the DEW Line , and the honeypots where future attacks can be contained and analyzed more safely .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this really that surprising a revelation?
Don't we already know that being fat is bad for your health?Or are we trying to out-evolve the flu here, by using our technological edge to artifically create people so fat in numbers never seen before that they serve as a sort of "leading edge" of the frontier of the genome wars?Our Advanced Medical Technology keeps alive not just morbidly obese, but all the outliers who would have died off -- presumably of "natural causes" -- in previous generations.
They are the DEW Line, and the honeypots where future attacks can be contained and analyzed more safely.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670141</id>
	<title>A reasoned discussion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247395620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be going to be very politically incorrect here, but people that are medically obese suffer a wide variety of ailments. If swine flu is what finally motivates these people to seek and complete treatment, why is this a bad thing? Or shall we continue to scream about the oppression of our right to be fat, forgetting that the virus doesn't give two sh--s either way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be going to be very politically incorrect here , but people that are medically obese suffer a wide variety of ailments .
If swine flu is what finally motivates these people to seek and complete treatment , why is this a bad thing ?
Or shall we continue to scream about the oppression of our right to be fat , forgetting that the virus does n't give two sh--s either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be going to be very politically incorrect here, but people that are medically obese suffer a wide variety of ailments.
If swine flu is what finally motivates these people to seek and complete treatment, why is this a bad thing?
Or shall we continue to scream about the oppression of our right to be fat, forgetting that the virus doesn't give two sh--s either way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670553</id>
	<title>Piggy dies!</title>
	<author>mds820</author>
	<datestamp>1247399400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ahah!  Methinks pigs got sick being disproportionately consumed by fatties and this is their revenge.  The fatty always dies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahah !
Methinks pigs got sick being disproportionately consumed by fatties and this is their revenge .
The fatty always dies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahah!
Methinks pigs got sick being disproportionately consumed by fatties and this is their revenge.
The fatty always dies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670577</id>
	<title>No, they aren't *all* fat.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1247399580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A disproportionate number, yes.  But not all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A disproportionate number , yes .
But not all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A disproportionate number, yes.
But not all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670107</id>
	<title>Karma?</title>
	<author>WoRLoKKeD</author>
	<datestamp>1247395440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, this is just helping back up my ideas. <p>
I previously believed Swine Flu was created by pigs to get revenge for people eating too much bacon. Now it's confirmed. Can I have a Nobel Prize now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , this is just helping back up my ideas .
I previously believed Swine Flu was created by pigs to get revenge for people eating too much bacon .
Now it 's confirmed .
Can I have a Nobel Prize now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, this is just helping back up my ideas.
I previously believed Swine Flu was created by pigs to get revenge for people eating too much bacon.
Now it's confirmed.
Can I have a Nobel Prize now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670015</id>
	<title>Oversensitive, in this case it works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on, the BMI they are recording is over 40 - categorized as "morbidly obese".  The only people not actually very overweight that would hit that would be professional weight lifters...</p><p>For just seeing if someone is a touch overweight it's not a great tool.  But in this case the observation is perfectly valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , the BMI they are recording is over 40 - categorized as " morbidly obese " .
The only people not actually very overweight that would hit that would be professional weight lifters...For just seeing if someone is a touch overweight it 's not a great tool .
But in this case the observation is perfectly valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, the BMI they are recording is over 40 - categorized as "morbidly obese".
The only people not actually very overweight that would hit that would be professional weight lifters...For just seeing if someone is a touch overweight it's not a great tool.
But in this case the observation is perfectly valid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28675767</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>nahdude812</author>
	<datestamp>1247497800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BMI is much easier to measure than \% body fat.  Accurate BMI measurements exist for pretty much every patient, while accurate body fat percentage exists for a very tiny fraction of patients.  It is likely such a low percentage that it's plausible very few to none of the patients with swine flu have a recent value for this on record unless they were specifically involved in a medical study or are a fitness fanatic (neither is likely to be a representative sample).</p><p>The only reasonably simple BFP measurement is NIR, and that requires subjective responses from the patient such as activity level to complete the calculation.  It also typically only measures a single site (such as the bicep), which can lead to a fairly low accuracy rate overall.</p><p>Most patients are not going to want to pay for DXA tests to accurately measure body fat unless it has specific relevance to treating them, and few are willing to undergo a submersion test.</p><p>BMI is not a good predictor (especially on an individual level; which is its typical abuse [such as for insurance calculations]), but it is still relatively effective for the purposes of statistical analysis (the percentage of people with high BMI as a result of substantial exercise vs obesity should be reasonably representative for a sufficient population size).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is much easier to measure than \ % body fat .
Accurate BMI measurements exist for pretty much every patient , while accurate body fat percentage exists for a very tiny fraction of patients .
It is likely such a low percentage that it 's plausible very few to none of the patients with swine flu have a recent value for this on record unless they were specifically involved in a medical study or are a fitness fanatic ( neither is likely to be a representative sample ) .The only reasonably simple BFP measurement is NIR , and that requires subjective responses from the patient such as activity level to complete the calculation .
It also typically only measures a single site ( such as the bicep ) , which can lead to a fairly low accuracy rate overall.Most patients are not going to want to pay for DXA tests to accurately measure body fat unless it has specific relevance to treating them , and few are willing to undergo a submersion test.BMI is not a good predictor ( especially on an individual level ; which is its typical abuse [ such as for insurance calculations ] ) , but it is still relatively effective for the purposes of statistical analysis ( the percentage of people with high BMI as a result of substantial exercise vs obesity should be reasonably representative for a sufficient population size ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is much easier to measure than \% body fat.
Accurate BMI measurements exist for pretty much every patient, while accurate body fat percentage exists for a very tiny fraction of patients.
It is likely such a low percentage that it's plausible very few to none of the patients with swine flu have a recent value for this on record unless they were specifically involved in a medical study or are a fitness fanatic (neither is likely to be a representative sample).The only reasonably simple BFP measurement is NIR, and that requires subjective responses from the patient such as activity level to complete the calculation.
It also typically only measures a single site (such as the bicep), which can lead to a fairly low accuracy rate overall.Most patients are not going to want to pay for DXA tests to accurately measure body fat unless it has specific relevance to treating them, and few are willing to undergo a submersion test.BMI is not a good predictor (especially on an individual level; which is its typical abuse [such as for insurance calculations]), but it is still relatively effective for the purposes of statistical analysis (the percentage of people with high BMI as a result of substantial exercise vs obesity should be reasonably representative for a sufficient population size).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670071</id>
	<title>Sorry not newsworthy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247395020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Newsworthy? Morbid obesity increases chance of death or a serious brush with it for, well gee, just about any disease. High body fat messes with a long list of metabolic processes which have to do with staying alive. Being overweight can be considered a merely symptom of the actual metabolic problems going on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Newsworthy ?
Morbid obesity increases chance of death or a serious brush with it for , well gee , just about any disease .
High body fat messes with a long list of metabolic processes which have to do with staying alive .
Being overweight can be considered a merely symptom of the actual metabolic problems going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newsworthy?
Morbid obesity increases chance of death or a serious brush with it for, well gee, just about any disease.
High body fat messes with a long list of metabolic processes which have to do with staying alive.
Being overweight can be considered a merely symptom of the actual metabolic problems going on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669911</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Bromskloss</author>
	<datestamp>1247393880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.  Try percent body fat instead.</p></div><p>What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead.What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670991</id>
	<title>Given the appearance of pigs...</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247403660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and how really obese people superficially resemble them more than, say, Sylvester Stallone, it stands to reason that a swine flu virus would just feel more at home in an obese human, right?  Hugely fat people have better accommodations for picky little swine flu viruses who don't want a room at Motel 6, they want the honeymoon suite at the Ritz.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and how really obese people superficially resemble them more than , say , Sylvester Stallone , it stands to reason that a swine flu virus would just feel more at home in an obese human , right ?
Hugely fat people have better accommodations for picky little swine flu viruses who do n't want a room at Motel 6 , they want the honeymoon suite at the Ritz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and how really obese people superficially resemble them more than, say, Sylvester Stallone, it stands to reason that a swine flu virus would just feel more at home in an obese human, right?
Hugely fat people have better accommodations for picky little swine flu viruses who don't want a room at Motel 6, they want the honeymoon suite at the Ritz.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670609</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Calithulu</author>
	<datestamp>1247399940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that Waste : Hip ratio and body fat percentage are the only other valid measures. If we got a body fat reading at yearly physicals (the same time that BMI is reported) we'd have better individual models.

</p><p>However, given the low number of people I don't think we have enough of a population with H1N1 yet (though in September we might) to know whether or not the illness is actually killing the obese or if it is killing athletes. Granted it would be difficult as Hell to be in shape and have a BMI of 40+ so perhaps the point is moot.

</p><p>For example, my bodyfat percentage is 20\% but my BMI is 30.3. So apparently I am not a part-time athlete but am instead obese according to the CDC. By their standards the virus might have an increased effect on me, though I am in no way overweight. Once we have a higher population of people with that have been diagnosed statistical outliers like myself should just disappear in the results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that Waste : Hip ratio and body fat percentage are the only other valid measures .
If we got a body fat reading at yearly physicals ( the same time that BMI is reported ) we 'd have better individual models .
However , given the low number of people I do n't think we have enough of a population with H1N1 yet ( though in September we might ) to know whether or not the illness is actually killing the obese or if it is killing athletes .
Granted it would be difficult as Hell to be in shape and have a BMI of 40 + so perhaps the point is moot .
For example , my bodyfat percentage is 20 \ % but my BMI is 30.3 .
So apparently I am not a part-time athlete but am instead obese according to the CDC .
By their standards the virus might have an increased effect on me , though I am in no way overweight .
Once we have a higher population of people with that have been diagnosed statistical outliers like myself should just disappear in the results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that Waste : Hip ratio and body fat percentage are the only other valid measures.
If we got a body fat reading at yearly physicals (the same time that BMI is reported) we'd have better individual models.
However, given the low number of people I don't think we have enough of a population with H1N1 yet (though in September we might) to know whether or not the illness is actually killing the obese or if it is killing athletes.
Granted it would be difficult as Hell to be in shape and have a BMI of 40+ so perhaps the point is moot.
For example, my bodyfat percentage is 20\% but my BMI is 30.3.
So apparently I am not a part-time athlete but am instead obese according to the CDC.
By their standards the virus might have an increased effect on me, though I am in no way overweight.
Once we have a higher population of people with that have been diagnosed statistical outliers like myself should just disappear in the results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670039</id>
	<title>Re:This is just wrong...</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1247394840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>seriously, that's funny... but i have to say, the only "informative" thing about your post for me is that you noticed it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously , that 's funny... but i have to say , the only " informative " thing about your post for me is that you noticed it ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously, that's funny... but i have to say, the only "informative" thing about your post for me is that you noticed it ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669865</id>
	<title>No worries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247393700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm perfectly happy eating nachos and playing WoW in my safe seclusion, far from the public entity known as The Swine Flu Epidemic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm perfectly happy eating nachos and playing WoW in my safe seclusion , far from the public entity known as The Swine Flu Epidemic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm perfectly happy eating nachos and playing WoW in my safe seclusion, far from the public entity known as The Swine Flu Epidemic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671115</id>
	<title>Re:Not such bad news, since i'm thin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Spanish Flu of 1918, which was a H1N1 strain as well and killed more people than WWI, came in two waves, the first starting in spring with a low lethality and the second bad one in August.</p><p>If this one evolves in a similar pattern the worst might be yet to come, I however think that even in that case modern medicine and communication will save us from the worst.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Spanish Flu of 1918 , which was a H1N1 strain as well and killed more people than WWI , came in two waves , the first starting in spring with a low lethality and the second bad one in August.If this one evolves in a similar pattern the worst might be yet to come , I however think that even in that case modern medicine and communication will save us from the worst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Spanish Flu of 1918, which was a H1N1 strain as well and killed more people than WWI, came in two waves, the first starting in spring with a low lethality and the second bad one in August.If this one evolves in a similar pattern the worst might be yet to come, I however think that even in that case modern medicine and communication will save us from the worst.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669851</id>
	<title>Shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247393640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Protect Stallman at all costs!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Protect Stallman at all costs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Protect Stallman at all costs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671193</id>
	<title>The WHO's Nikki Shindo nailed it...</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247405580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... when she describes it as "a <b>huge</b> problem".  I wonder if she moonlights doing stand-up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... when she describes it as " a huge problem " .
I wonder if she moonlights doing stand-up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... when she describes it as "a huge problem".
I wonder if she moonlights doing stand-up?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669875</id>
	<title>This is just wrong...</title>
	<author>glitch23</author>
	<datestamp>1247393700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Morbid obesity is one of the most common findings turning up in severely ill patients," said Nikki Shindo, who is leading the investigation of swine flu patients at the WHO in Geneva. "It's a <b>huge</b> problem."</p></div><p>That is just wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Morbid obesity is one of the most common findings turning up in severely ill patients , " said Nikki Shindo , who is leading the investigation of swine flu patients at the WHO in Geneva .
" It 's a huge problem .
" That is just wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Morbid obesity is one of the most common findings turning up in severely ill patients," said Nikki Shindo, who is leading the investigation of swine flu patients at the WHO in Geneva.
"It's a huge problem.
"That is just wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670059</id>
	<title>Re:This is just wrong...</title>
	<author>T-Kir</author>
	<datestamp>1247394960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like you got the skinny on the whole situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you got the skinny on the whole situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you got the skinny on the whole situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670285</id>
	<title>Re:This is just wrong...</title>
	<author>univalue</author>
	<datestamp>1247397000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those insensitive clods.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those insensitive clods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those insensitive clods.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673331</id>
	<title>Flat or Slim, Health is Better</title>
	<author>sophialxw</author>
	<datestamp>1247517240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some ladies are on diet crazy without considering the body health, they are ruining their life.
<a href="http://www.lifting-anchor.com/" title="lifting-anchor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifting-anchor.com/</a> [lifting-anchor.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some ladies are on diet crazy without considering the body health , they are ruining their life .
http : //www.lifting-anchor.com/ [ lifting-anchor.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some ladies are on diet crazy without considering the body health, they are ruining their life.
http://www.lifting-anchor.com/ [lifting-anchor.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669989</id>
	<title>Overweight is symptom, not cause</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This surprises me not at all - people who are overweight generally are not eating that well, and also not exercising a lot.</p><p>I've been lucky to have a good metabolism and never really had weight issues.  But I used to drink a ton of soda, and not eat that great... I was having combing down with the cold and flu multiple times per year.</p><p>Now I'm eating much better, drinking mostly water, and exercising a few times a week.  I get at most about one cold a year now, and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.</p><p>One aspect of the flu I did think was odd was how so many cases were in Mexico... when I feel like I'm perhaps going to get a cold, I often eat spicy food and it seems to knock it out of me.  I would think they have a lot spicier stuff in most Mexican's diets than elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This surprises me not at all - people who are overweight generally are not eating that well , and also not exercising a lot.I 've been lucky to have a good metabolism and never really had weight issues .
But I used to drink a ton of soda , and not eat that great... I was having combing down with the cold and flu multiple times per year.Now I 'm eating much better , drinking mostly water , and exercising a few times a week .
I get at most about one cold a year now , and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.One aspect of the flu I did think was odd was how so many cases were in Mexico... when I feel like I 'm perhaps going to get a cold , I often eat spicy food and it seems to knock it out of me .
I would think they have a lot spicier stuff in most Mexican 's diets than elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This surprises me not at all - people who are overweight generally are not eating that well, and also not exercising a lot.I've been lucky to have a good metabolism and never really had weight issues.
But I used to drink a ton of soda, and not eat that great... I was having combing down with the cold and flu multiple times per year.Now I'm eating much better, drinking mostly water, and exercising a few times a week.
I get at most about one cold a year now, and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.One aspect of the flu I did think was odd was how so many cases were in Mexico... when I feel like I'm perhaps going to get a cold, I often eat spicy food and it seems to knock it out of me.
I would think they have a lot spicier stuff in most Mexican's diets than elsewhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673681</id>
	<title>Re:This is just wrong...</title>
	<author>TimSSG</author>
	<datestamp>1247479320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please, just the fats.<br>
Tim S.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , just the fats .
Tim S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, just the fats.
Tim S.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28674573</id>
	<title>Re:Not all</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1247490360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed... to me this just seems really basic. Eating well and having a healthy metabolism are very important to maintaining the immune system. Even in the office where I work, the bigger people are the ones who catch every little cold and bug that goes around. Overweight = less healthy = more severely affected by illnesses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed... to me this just seems really basic .
Eating well and having a healthy metabolism are very important to maintaining the immune system .
Even in the office where I work , the bigger people are the ones who catch every little cold and bug that goes around .
Overweight = less healthy = more severely affected by illnesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed... to me this just seems really basic.
Eating well and having a healthy metabolism are very important to maintaining the immune system.
Even in the office where I work, the bigger people are the ones who catch every little cold and bug that goes around.
Overweight = less healthy = more severely affected by illnesses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672477</id>
	<title>The sky is falling...</title>
	<author>alaffin</author>
	<datestamp>1247418540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really.  Did anyone, even the submitter, read the article?  Stupid question in these parts, but come on - this is science.  We're nerds.  Where's the critical thinking people?  First off, they are not all fat.  The only numbers they quote in the article is 3 of 5 seriously ill people in Manitoba who are obese.  60\% != 100\%.  Not by a long shot.  The article goes on to say that the evidence is anecdotal and cites the very specious fact that the first two people to die of swine flu in Europe were from Scotland and Scotland is the most obese country in Europe.  Lovely.  That evidence can also be used to support my theory, which is that swine flu only affects peoples with difficult to understand accents.  Manitobans, Mexicans, the Scottish and children from New York.  And while I'm at it <a href="http://xkcd.com/552/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">correllation does not imply causation</a> [xkcd.com].  Although they mention it briefly in the article they downplay it as much as possible.  To say nothing about stuff like sample size.  But hey, what the hell.  Who needs stuff like science!  What's that ever done for us?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really .
Did anyone , even the submitter , read the article ?
Stupid question in these parts , but come on - this is science .
We 're nerds .
Where 's the critical thinking people ?
First off , they are not all fat .
The only numbers they quote in the article is 3 of 5 seriously ill people in Manitoba who are obese .
60 \ % ! = 100 \ % .
Not by a long shot .
The article goes on to say that the evidence is anecdotal and cites the very specious fact that the first two people to die of swine flu in Europe were from Scotland and Scotland is the most obese country in Europe .
Lovely. That evidence can also be used to support my theory , which is that swine flu only affects peoples with difficult to understand accents .
Manitobans , Mexicans , the Scottish and children from New York .
And while I 'm at it correllation does not imply causation [ xkcd.com ] .
Although they mention it briefly in the article they downplay it as much as possible .
To say nothing about stuff like sample size .
But hey , what the hell .
Who needs stuff like science !
What 's that ever done for us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really.
Did anyone, even the submitter, read the article?
Stupid question in these parts, but come on - this is science.
We're nerds.
Where's the critical thinking people?
First off, they are not all fat.
The only numbers they quote in the article is 3 of 5 seriously ill people in Manitoba who are obese.
60\% != 100\%.
Not by a long shot.
The article goes on to say that the evidence is anecdotal and cites the very specious fact that the first two people to die of swine flu in Europe were from Scotland and Scotland is the most obese country in Europe.
Lovely.  That evidence can also be used to support my theory, which is that swine flu only affects peoples with difficult to understand accents.
Manitobans, Mexicans, the Scottish and children from New York.
And while I'm at it correllation does not imply causation [xkcd.com].
Although they mention it briefly in the article they downplay it as much as possible.
To say nothing about stuff like sample size.
But hey, what the hell.
Who needs stuff like science!
What's that ever done for us?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670711</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>FullBandwidth</author>
	<datestamp>1247400900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree - the fact that BMI was used at all in the so-called "study" means it has zero credibility and apparently wasn't performed by anyone with a medical or epidemiological background. There is no science at all behind BMI - read Devlin's history of it (linked in slashdot about two weeks ago) at www.maa.org/devlin</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree - the fact that BMI was used at all in the so-called " study " means it has zero credibility and apparently was n't performed by anyone with a medical or epidemiological background .
There is no science at all behind BMI - read Devlin 's history of it ( linked in slashdot about two weeks ago ) at www.maa.org/devlin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree - the fact that BMI was used at all in the so-called "study" means it has zero credibility and apparently wasn't performed by anyone with a medical or epidemiological background.
There is no science at all behind BMI - read Devlin's history of it (linked in slashdot about two weeks ago) at www.maa.org/devlin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671335</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247407020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the problem has more to do with eating things never meant to be considered food. But, we live in a fast-paced society, and it's easier to buy certain things rather than making it ourselves. And of course, government and businesses will cater to our desires to a certain extent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the problem has more to do with eating things never meant to be considered food .
But , we live in a fast-paced society , and it 's easier to buy certain things rather than making it ourselves .
And of course , government and businesses will cater to our desires to a certain extent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the problem has more to do with eating things never meant to be considered food.
But, we live in a fast-paced society, and it's easier to buy certain things rather than making it ourselves.
And of course, government and businesses will cater to our desires to a certain extent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670047</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669973</id>
	<title>Swine flu kills porkers</title>
	<author>bitemykarma</author>
	<datestamp>1247394360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't that redundant?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that redundant ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that redundant?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673555</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1247477220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No correlation exist</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No correlation exist</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No correlation exist</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670231</id>
	<title>Re:Overweight is symptom, not cause</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1247396400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Now I'm eating much better, drinking mostly water, and exercising a few times a week. I get at most about one cold a year now, and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.</i></p><p>I too have been through years without so much as a sniffle, and had years where I've been struck down repeatedly by colds and flus. It hasn't correlated with what I ate. Correlation isn't causation is overused on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. but in this case I think it's appropriate. That doesn't mean that you're wasting your time eating and drinking better. In the long run it will probably make you live longer and healthier. It's just your use of colds and flu as an indicator that I find completely bogus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'm eating much better , drinking mostly water , and exercising a few times a week .
I get at most about one cold a year now , and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.I too have been through years without so much as a sniffle , and had years where I 've been struck down repeatedly by colds and flus .
It has n't correlated with what I ate .
Correlation is n't causation is overused on / .
but in this case I think it 's appropriate .
That does n't mean that you 're wasting your time eating and drinking better .
In the long run it will probably make you live longer and healthier .
It 's just your use of colds and flu as an indicator that I find completely bogus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'm eating much better, drinking mostly water, and exercising a few times a week.
I get at most about one cold a year now, and even that is not as bad as the worst of the colds I used to get.I too have been through years without so much as a sniffle, and had years where I've been struck down repeatedly by colds and flus.
It hasn't correlated with what I ate.
Correlation isn't causation is overused on /.
but in this case I think it's appropriate.
That doesn't mean that you're wasting your time eating and drinking better.
In the long run it will probably make you live longer and healthier.
It's just your use of colds and flu as an indicator that I find completely bogus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670269</id>
	<title>And cue the fatty bashing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247396880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here they come out of the woodwork, those who like to improve their low self-esteem by bashing on fat people.  I'm sure we'll get plenty of quotes of the laws of thermodynamics and the like.  Anyone want to place bets?</p><p>But while you're sitting on your high horse, you might want to go read something like \_The End of Overeating\_ so that instead of just assuming fat people are morally inferior you might get a clue about what's *really* going on out there.  Just a thought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here they come out of the woodwork , those who like to improve their low self-esteem by bashing on fat people .
I 'm sure we 'll get plenty of quotes of the laws of thermodynamics and the like .
Anyone want to place bets ? But while you 're sitting on your high horse , you might want to go read something like \ _The End of Overeating \ _ so that instead of just assuming fat people are morally inferior you might get a clue about what 's * really * going on out there .
Just a thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here they come out of the woodwork, those who like to improve their low self-esteem by bashing on fat people.
I'm sure we'll get plenty of quotes of the laws of thermodynamics and the like.
Anyone want to place bets?But while you're sitting on your high horse, you might want to go read something like \_The End of Overeating\_ so that instead of just assuming fat people are morally inferior you might get a clue about what's *really* going on out there.
Just a thought.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670485</id>
	<title>stop using the term swine flu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247398920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the term itself is misleading, the virus strand might have originated from swine, but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs.  The proper term should be Influenza A (H1N1)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the term itself is misleading , the virus strand might have originated from swine , but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs .
The proper term should be Influenza A ( H1N1 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the term itself is misleading, the virus strand might have originated from swine, but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs.
The proper term should be Influenza A (H1N1)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671725</id>
	<title>point of information</title>
	<author>fishbowl</author>
	<datestamp>1247410440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything kills obese people disproportionately.  Heart attacks, liver disease, cancer, pneumonia, you name it.   Flu is just one more thing, and Swine Flu is just one more flu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything kills obese people disproportionately .
Heart attacks , liver disease , cancer , pneumonia , you name it .
Flu is just one more thing , and Swine Flu is just one more flu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything kills obese people disproportionately.
Heart attacks, liver disease, cancer, pneumonia, you name it.
Flu is just one more thing, and Swine Flu is just one more flu.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28691747</id>
	<title>Re:stop using the term swine flu</title>
	<author>ukyoCE</author>
	<datestamp>1247589420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The name isn't misleading, it's a name.  As long as it uniquely identifies something (in this case a flu outbreak) it's a good name.  H1N1 does NOT uniquely identify this particular outbreak.</p><p>Since the name Swine Flu is already widely used and recognized, it would be stupid and futile to try to make up some other name to replace it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The name is n't misleading , it 's a name .
As long as it uniquely identifies something ( in this case a flu outbreak ) it 's a good name .
H1N1 does NOT uniquely identify this particular outbreak.Since the name Swine Flu is already widely used and recognized , it would be stupid and futile to try to make up some other name to replace it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The name isn't misleading, it's a name.
As long as it uniquely identifies something (in this case a flu outbreak) it's a good name.
H1N1 does NOT uniquely identify this particular outbreak.Since the name Swine Flu is already widely used and recognized, it would be stupid and futile to try to make up some other name to replace it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669843</id>
	<title>Finally!! A Cure For Obesity!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247393640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just cough on a fat person.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just cough on a fat person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just cough on a fat person.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670161</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Broken scope</author>
	<datestamp>1247395740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BMI is a perfectly equitable measure for a society which predominantly sedentary, however it has been misused and abused on a regular basis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a perfectly equitable measure for a society which predominantly sedentary , however it has been misused and abused on a regular basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a perfectly equitable measure for a society which predominantly sedentary, however it has been misused and abused on a regular basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670117</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>antifoidulus</author>
	<datestamp>1247395500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, in all cases.  Meaning measuring BMI isn't necessarily useful for an individual(esp. very short and very tall individuals), however for macro evaluations of a population's obesity rate BMI can be very useful, largely because its incredibly simple(and cheap) to measure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , in all cases .
Meaning measuring BMI is n't necessarily useful for an individual ( esp .
very short and very tall individuals ) , however for macro evaluations of a population 's obesity rate BMI can be very useful , largely because its incredibly simple ( and cheap ) to measure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, in all cases.
Meaning measuring BMI isn't necessarily useful for an individual(esp.
very short and very tall individuals), however for macro evaluations of a population's obesity rate BMI can be very useful, largely because its incredibly simple(and cheap) to measure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28674975</id>
	<title>It is a good trending tool.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1247493780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, if you are fat (and you know if you are) BMI gives you a trending tool about how your weight is doing.</p><p>It is simple and straight forward to measure, and it related to your size and structure.</p><p>so it may be an imperfect tool, but it is a useful one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , if you are fat ( and you know if you are ) BMI gives you a trending tool about how your weight is doing.It is simple and straight forward to measure , and it related to your size and structure.so it may be an imperfect tool , but it is a useful one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, if you are fat (and you know if you are) BMI gives you a trending tool about how your weight is doing.It is simple and straight forward to measure, and it related to your size and structure.so it may be an imperfect tool, but it is a useful one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671401</id>
	<title>umm here piggy piggy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247407800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>*Swine* Flu. you know for those who shit where they eat [on earth].</htmltext>
<tokenext>* Swine * Flu .
you know for those who shit where they eat [ on earth ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*Swine* Flu.
you know for those who shit where they eat [on earth].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670597</id>
	<title>Re:Confuses cause and effect</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1247399820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.  If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.</p></div><p>At one point I lost 10 pounds after being hospitalized for a week or two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill. If you are seriously ill , you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone , steroids and other drugs.At one point I lost 10 pounds after being hospitalized for a week or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.  If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.At one point I lost 10 pounds after being hospitalized for a week or two.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28674053</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247484420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.  Try percent body fat instead.</p></div><p>What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat?</p></div><p>r = 0.7</p><p>So it's about right 70\% of the time, wrong 30\%.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead.What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat ? r = 0.7So it 's about right 70 \ % of the time , wrong 30 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.What is the correlation between BMI and fraction body fat?r = 0.7So it's about right 70\% of the time, wrong 30\%.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672765</id>
	<title>actually, if it kills fat people</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1247422380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>swine flu is the perfect thing to call it</p><p>swine as in human oinkers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>swine flu is the perfect thing to call itswine as in human oinkers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>swine flu is the perfect thing to call itswine as in human oinkers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671517</id>
	<title>Re:Not such bad news, since i'm thin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247408640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of the cases diagnosed, which is a figure many orders of magnitude smaller than the people infected.<br>It has about the same prognosis as being exposed to pneumonia bacteria. Everyone is, only people with compromised immune systems die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of the cases diagnosed , which is a figure many orders of magnitude smaller than the people infected.It has about the same prognosis as being exposed to pneumonia bacteria .
Everyone is , only people with compromised immune systems die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of the cases diagnosed, which is a figure many orders of magnitude smaller than the people infected.It has about the same prognosis as being exposed to pneumonia bacteria.
Everyone is, only people with compromised immune systems die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669931</id>
	<title>Makes Sense</title>
	<author>PingPongBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1247394000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not for no reason are the fat known as porkers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not for no reason are the fat known as porkers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not for no reason are the fat known as porkers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670195</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Quothz</author>
	<datestamp>1247396040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.  Try percent body fat instead.</p></div><p>Bogus, no; misleading, sometimes. Someone with a BMI over 40 is <i>always</i> fat, however. Even a 7-foot tall, heavily-muscled man cannot achieve that without huge rolls of fat or a stomach full of ball bearings.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead.Bogus , no ; misleading , sometimes .
Someone with a BMI over 40 is always fat , however .
Even a 7-foot tall , heavily-muscled man can not achieve that without huge rolls of fat or a stomach full of ball bearings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.Bogus, no; misleading, sometimes.
Someone with a BMI over 40 is always fat, however.
Even a 7-foot tall, heavily-muscled man cannot achieve that without huge rolls of fat or a stomach full of ball bearings.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669967</id>
	<title>It's not news that fat is harmful</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247394240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So why is this considered news, let alone for nerds? I understand the nerd appeal all too well, although crawling under my truck to install my lift kit (half done so far, my back is killing me dead) led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I'm in about the best shape I ever have been, since childhood anyway.</p><p>It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties. I wonder if there's any benefit to those secretions, perhaps helping you live through winters or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why is this considered news , let alone for nerds ?
I understand the nerd appeal all too well , although crawling under my truck to install my lift kit ( half done so far , my back is killing me dead ) led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I 'm in about the best shape I ever have been , since childhood anyway.It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties .
I wonder if there 's any benefit to those secretions , perhaps helping you live through winters or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why is this considered news, let alone for nerds?
I understand the nerd appeal all too well, although crawling under my truck to install my lift kit (half done so far, my back is killing me dead) led to the realization that I can fit into my coveralls again... so I'm in about the best shape I ever have been, since childhood anyway.It is interesting to me however that fat cells secrete nasties.
I wonder if there's any benefit to those secretions, perhaps helping you live through winters or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670707</id>
	<title>Re:It's called "swine flu" for a reason ...</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247400900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the same token, I found the subject/headline a bit ironic. It sounds to me like the swine flu kills obese people <em>proportionally</em>. The article even discusses approximately what the proportions are, and about what proportions you have to have to qualify (usually due to pro-portioning at the buffet...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the same token , I found the subject/headline a bit ironic .
It sounds to me like the swine flu kills obese people proportionally .
The article even discusses approximately what the proportions are , and about what proportions you have to have to qualify ( usually due to pro-portioning at the buffet... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the same token, I found the subject/headline a bit ironic.
It sounds to me like the swine flu kills obese people proportionally.
The article even discusses approximately what the proportions are, and about what proportions you have to have to qualify (usually due to pro-portioning at the buffet...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670191</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1247396040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BMI is a good measure of a population as a whole, but not necessarily applicable to individuals. Body fat is a better measure, but is significantly more difficult to measure accurately, and accurate methods are not economical for regular (semi-weekly) tracking of your condition.</p><p>It is, sadly, fairly accurate for most people (I'm presuming better than 80\%), but it has been modified for many reasons.  Most people would say that (as of a year ago) my BMI of ~27 was far from obese  (6'-0", 202lbs, 35"-36" waist).  I was not in good physical shape, but was moderately healthy and I ate reasonably well (for an American). I was incredulous of my obese status.  Now, over a decade ago, that was considered normal. About ten years ago, I became "borderline".  Four or five years ago, I was reclassified as obese.  As I understand it, the traditional BMI crossover from normal to obese was 27.2, but that's "too hard a number to remember" so they (WHO, I think) changed it to 25 so that the health care professionals could remember the right number easier. I feel feel sorry for all the doctors and nurses who can't seem to memorize a number of equal difficulty to their area code.</p><p>About 8 months ago I started working out. Slowly. In those 8 months, I've dropped 15 pounds, increased my stamina to swimming a mile twice a week, and do light lifting (my 7 year old likes to sit on my back and have me do push ups). I'm still overweight by BMI standards...and I've realized that I \_am\_ still a bit overweight. I've still got a roll around my middle that's not exactly attractive. An "ideal" weight for me, I think, would put me close to 180, or a BMI around 24.5.  When I drop another 7 lbs (prob 8 lbs of fat and add a lb of muscle), I'll be pretty happy. My wife's Wii Fit wants me to be 162 (BMI-22). 162lbs would likely take some hard training and I'd be back to doing triathlons on a regular basis (which I did at 195lbs 15 years ago). At 40, that's not going to happen.<br>almost certainly overweight. If you're over a BMI of 25 and you think you're in such good shape that BMI is bullshit, you probably know your body fat percentage, so BMI doesn't matter since you have a better index.</p><p>Sadly (for most people), the BMI is a valid statistical tool for judging populations. It's taken me almost a year to open my eyes and realize that I fall withing the typical body type demographic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a good measure of a population as a whole , but not necessarily applicable to individuals .
Body fat is a better measure , but is significantly more difficult to measure accurately , and accurate methods are not economical for regular ( semi-weekly ) tracking of your condition.It is , sadly , fairly accurate for most people ( I 'm presuming better than 80 \ % ) , but it has been modified for many reasons .
Most people would say that ( as of a year ago ) my BMI of ~ 27 was far from obese ( 6'-0 " , 202lbs , 35 " -36 " waist ) .
I was not in good physical shape , but was moderately healthy and I ate reasonably well ( for an American ) .
I was incredulous of my obese status .
Now , over a decade ago , that was considered normal .
About ten years ago , I became " borderline " .
Four or five years ago , I was reclassified as obese .
As I understand it , the traditional BMI crossover from normal to obese was 27.2 , but that 's " too hard a number to remember " so they ( WHO , I think ) changed it to 25 so that the health care professionals could remember the right number easier .
I feel feel sorry for all the doctors and nurses who ca n't seem to memorize a number of equal difficulty to their area code.About 8 months ago I started working out .
Slowly. In those 8 months , I 've dropped 15 pounds , increased my stamina to swimming a mile twice a week , and do light lifting ( my 7 year old likes to sit on my back and have me do push ups ) .
I 'm still overweight by BMI standards...and I 've realized that I \ _am \ _ still a bit overweight .
I 've still got a roll around my middle that 's not exactly attractive .
An " ideal " weight for me , I think , would put me close to 180 , or a BMI around 24.5 .
When I drop another 7 lbs ( prob 8 lbs of fat and add a lb of muscle ) , I 'll be pretty happy .
My wife 's Wii Fit wants me to be 162 ( BMI-22 ) .
162lbs would likely take some hard training and I 'd be back to doing triathlons on a regular basis ( which I did at 195lbs 15 years ago ) .
At 40 , that 's not going to happen.almost certainly overweight .
If you 're over a BMI of 25 and you think you 're in such good shape that BMI is bullshit , you probably know your body fat percentage , so BMI does n't matter since you have a better index.Sadly ( for most people ) , the BMI is a valid statistical tool for judging populations .
It 's taken me almost a year to open my eyes and realize that I fall withing the typical body type demographic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a good measure of a population as a whole, but not necessarily applicable to individuals.
Body fat is a better measure, but is significantly more difficult to measure accurately, and accurate methods are not economical for regular (semi-weekly) tracking of your condition.It is, sadly, fairly accurate for most people (I'm presuming better than 80\%), but it has been modified for many reasons.
Most people would say that (as of a year ago) my BMI of ~27 was far from obese  (6'-0", 202lbs, 35"-36" waist).
I was not in good physical shape, but was moderately healthy and I ate reasonably well (for an American).
I was incredulous of my obese status.
Now, over a decade ago, that was considered normal.
About ten years ago, I became "borderline".
Four or five years ago, I was reclassified as obese.
As I understand it, the traditional BMI crossover from normal to obese was 27.2, but that's "too hard a number to remember" so they (WHO, I think) changed it to 25 so that the health care professionals could remember the right number easier.
I feel feel sorry for all the doctors and nurses who can't seem to memorize a number of equal difficulty to their area code.About 8 months ago I started working out.
Slowly. In those 8 months, I've dropped 15 pounds, increased my stamina to swimming a mile twice a week, and do light lifting (my 7 year old likes to sit on my back and have me do push ups).
I'm still overweight by BMI standards...and I've realized that I \_am\_ still a bit overweight.
I've still got a roll around my middle that's not exactly attractive.
An "ideal" weight for me, I think, would put me close to 180, or a BMI around 24.5.
When I drop another 7 lbs (prob 8 lbs of fat and add a lb of muscle), I'll be pretty happy.
My wife's Wii Fit wants me to be 162 (BMI-22).
162lbs would likely take some hard training and I'd be back to doing triathlons on a regular basis (which I did at 195lbs 15 years ago).
At 40, that's not going to happen.almost certainly overweight.
If you're over a BMI of 25 and you think you're in such good shape that BMI is bullshit, you probably know your body fat percentage, so BMI doesn't matter since you have a better index.Sadly (for most people), the BMI is a valid statistical tool for judging populations.
It's taken me almost a year to open my eyes and realize that I fall withing the typical body type demographic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28689029</id>
	<title>Unlucky America</title>
	<author>DanJ\_UK</author>
	<datestamp>1247577300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unlucky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlucky.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671135</id>
	<title>Re:Obesity = Bad general health?</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1247404920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>fast food industry is really not to blame again?
with their illegal workers and 3$ an hour jobs? how strange people come work when their sick....

nobody here, wonders why America is the ONLY capitalist country in the world without even basic health care for all..</htmltext>
<tokenext>fast food industry is really not to blame again ?
with their illegal workers and 3 $ an hour jobs ?
how strange people come work when their sick... . nobody here , wonders why America is the ONLY capitalist country in the world without even basic health care for all. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fast food industry is really not to blame again?
with their illegal workers and 3$ an hour jobs?
how strange people come work when their sick....

nobody here, wonders why America is the ONLY capitalist country in the world without even basic health care for all..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669941</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually in this case it's a perfectly valid way of looking at it. BMI was created for statistical analysis. And that's what it's being used for.<br> <br>

With the relatively small number of people that have died as a result of the  H1N1 it's much easier to detect whether or not it's accurate for the group. But when doing models of how this is likely to shape out, the BMI is a perfectly legitimate way of doing it. The only other measure that's reasonable to consider is the waste to hip ratio, and that's not really designed for this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually in this case it 's a perfectly valid way of looking at it .
BMI was created for statistical analysis .
And that 's what it 's being used for .
With the relatively small number of people that have died as a result of the H1N1 it 's much easier to detect whether or not it 's accurate for the group .
But when doing models of how this is likely to shape out , the BMI is a perfectly legitimate way of doing it .
The only other measure that 's reasonable to consider is the waste to hip ratio , and that 's not really designed for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually in this case it's a perfectly valid way of looking at it.
BMI was created for statistical analysis.
And that's what it's being used for.
With the relatively small number of people that have died as a result of the  H1N1 it's much easier to detect whether or not it's accurate for the group.
But when doing models of how this is likely to shape out, the BMI is a perfectly legitimate way of doing it.
The only other measure that's reasonable to consider is the waste to hip ratio, and that's not really designed for this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670055</id>
	<title>Confuses cause and effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.  If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.  And as a result, of course you have a poor body mass index. Its a miracle you are even alive.  Swine flu comes along and is the final straw, your body can't take another illness.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill. If you are seriously ill , you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone , steroids and other drugs .
And as a result , of course you have a poor body mass index .
Its a miracle you are even alive .
Swine flu comes along and is the final straw , your body ca n't take another illness .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Swine flu is a serious thread to people who are already chronically ill.  If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.
And as a result, of course you have a poor body mass index.
Its a miracle you are even alive.
Swine flu comes along and is the final straw, your body can't take another illness.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670531</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1247399280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For figuring out if someone is obese? Yes, it's a poor indicator.</p><p>But we're not trying to determine whether one is obese. We're trying to find a pattern for "Who is most likely to get horribly sick from swine flu". Apparently, BMI is a reasonably good predictor of this.</p><p>Though I agree that there will likely be a better correlation with those that have high \% body fat than high BMI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For figuring out if someone is obese ?
Yes , it 's a poor indicator.But we 're not trying to determine whether one is obese .
We 're trying to find a pattern for " Who is most likely to get horribly sick from swine flu " .
Apparently , BMI is a reasonably good predictor of this.Though I agree that there will likely be a better correlation with those that have high \ % body fat than high BMI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For figuring out if someone is obese?
Yes, it's a poor indicator.But we're not trying to determine whether one is obese.
We're trying to find a pattern for "Who is most likely to get horribly sick from swine flu".
Apparently, BMI is a reasonably good predictor of this.Though I agree that there will likely be a better correlation with those that have high \% body fat than high BMI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670407</id>
	<title>Genius!</title>
	<author>jaypifer</author>
	<datestamp>1247398080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28675393</id>
	<title>Flu Tracker Map</title>
	<author>wesborgmandvm</author>
	<datestamp>1247496120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This website is tracking H1N1 using Google maps: <a href="http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/" title="rhizalabs.com" rel="nofollow">http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/</a> [rhizalabs.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This website is tracking H1N1 using Google maps : http : //flutracker.rhizalabs.com/ [ rhizalabs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This website is tracking H1N1 using Google maps: http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/ [rhizalabs.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673261</id>
	<title>Re:Wake up too yourselves !!</title>
	<author>TheDugong</author>
	<datestamp>1247516100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Excuses, excuses. A load of crap. You just took the easy option end of story. If there was a famine would you not be able to lose weight? No. You eat too much and exercise too little. End of.
<br> <br>
Just over two years ago I was 96kgs = BMI 31. Being saddened greatly by this I joined my local gym which has cheap personal-ish training. 6 months of 3x30min sessions a week later I had lost between 6-11 kgs. I cannot remember exactly) as I was more concerned with general fitness. At this time I also started cycling the 16km/10 mile round trip to work (with ~250M of climbing there and 50M back) as well. This definitely got me down to 85kgs, so there is your 10kgs, Plus one more.
<br> <br>
Just over a year ago my place of work moved so I now have a 50km/32 mile round trip which I cycle almost every day. I have been hovering between 75-76kgs BMI ~= 24 for the past 3 weeks or so. This includes going from 80kgs in late November back up to 85kgs until I started to get rid of that again in January.
<br> <br>
So... I am less than 4/5s of the man I used to be with very little help.
<br> <br>
You could say that the PT was "a help", but he did not force me to go to the gym and did not force me to do what he told me to do while I was there. Nobody forces me to cycle - in fact most people seem to want to force me off the road with their cars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(.
<br> <br>
I also eat loads (of good stuff) and rarely feel hungry. The ride means I can eat between 1000-1500 calories extra *a day* without putting on weight and it takes me about the same time as driving my car to work through rush hour traffic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuses , excuses .
A load of crap .
You just took the easy option end of story .
If there was a famine would you not be able to lose weight ?
No. You eat too much and exercise too little .
End of .
Just over two years ago I was 96kgs = BMI 31 .
Being saddened greatly by this I joined my local gym which has cheap personal-ish training .
6 months of 3x30min sessions a week later I had lost between 6-11 kgs .
I can not remember exactly ) as I was more concerned with general fitness .
At this time I also started cycling the 16km/10 mile round trip to work ( with ~ 250M of climbing there and 50M back ) as well .
This definitely got me down to 85kgs , so there is your 10kgs , Plus one more .
Just over a year ago my place of work moved so I now have a 50km/32 mile round trip which I cycle almost every day .
I have been hovering between 75-76kgs BMI ~ = 24 for the past 3 weeks or so .
This includes going from 80kgs in late November back up to 85kgs until I started to get rid of that again in January .
So... I am less than 4/5s of the man I used to be with very little help .
You could say that the PT was " a help " , but he did not force me to go to the gym and did not force me to do what he told me to do while I was there .
Nobody forces me to cycle - in fact most people seem to want to force me off the road with their cars : ( .
I also eat loads ( of good stuff ) and rarely feel hungry .
The ride means I can eat between 1000-1500 calories extra * a day * without putting on weight and it takes me about the same time as driving my car to work through rush hour traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuses, excuses.
A load of crap.
You just took the easy option end of story.
If there was a famine would you not be able to lose weight?
No. You eat too much and exercise too little.
End of.
Just over two years ago I was 96kgs = BMI 31.
Being saddened greatly by this I joined my local gym which has cheap personal-ish training.
6 months of 3x30min sessions a week later I had lost between 6-11 kgs.
I cannot remember exactly) as I was more concerned with general fitness.
At this time I also started cycling the 16km/10 mile round trip to work (with ~250M of climbing there and 50M back) as well.
This definitely got me down to 85kgs, so there is your 10kgs, Plus one more.
Just over a year ago my place of work moved so I now have a 50km/32 mile round trip which I cycle almost every day.
I have been hovering between 75-76kgs BMI ~= 24 for the past 3 weeks or so.
This includes going from 80kgs in late November back up to 85kgs until I started to get rid of that again in January.
So... I am less than 4/5s of the man I used to be with very little help.
You could say that the PT was "a help", but he did not force me to go to the gym and did not force me to do what he told me to do while I was there.
Nobody forces me to cycle - in fact most people seem to want to force me off the road with their cars :(.
I also eat loads (of good stuff) and rarely feel hungry.
The ride means I can eat between 1000-1500 calories extra *a day* without putting on weight and it takes me about the same time as driving my car to work through rush hour traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671141</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"what would shake out"...<br>How very scientific. Is the person who said that a scientist? Unbelievable.</p><p>Swine flu is a load of bullshit - there is no such thing - only NORMAL flu. There is 'pandemic', no 'epidemic', just renaming conventional flu as some kind if 'deadly' virus, to make billions of dollars for the scum in the government and their cronies in the 'vaccine' industry. Read Dr.Hadwen's speeches on the fraud of Jenner and 'vaccines'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" what would shake out " ...How very scientific .
Is the person who said that a scientist ?
Unbelievable.Swine flu is a load of bullshit - there is no such thing - only NORMAL flu .
There is 'pandemic ' , no 'epidemic ' , just renaming conventional flu as some kind if 'deadly ' virus , to make billions of dollars for the scum in the government and their cronies in the 'vaccine ' industry .
Read Dr.Hadwen 's speeches on the fraud of Jenner and 'vaccines'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"what would shake out"...How very scientific.
Is the person who said that a scientist?
Unbelievable.Swine flu is a load of bullshit - there is no such thing - only NORMAL flu.
There is 'pandemic', no 'epidemic', just renaming conventional flu as some kind if 'deadly' virus, to make billions of dollars for the scum in the government and their cronies in the 'vaccine' industry.
Read Dr.Hadwen's speeches on the fraud of Jenner and 'vaccines'...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670791</id>
	<title>Re:A reasoned discussion</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1247401800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that treatment would be?</p><p>So far the best they have is exercise 3 times more than people who are naturally thin and disregard the 3rd strongest human drive. (where first is breathing and second is drinking). </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that treatment would be ? So far the best they have is exercise 3 times more than people who are naturally thin and disregard the 3rd strongest human drive .
( where first is breathing and second is drinking ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that treatment would be?So far the best they have is exercise 3 times more than people who are naturally thin and disregard the 3rd strongest human drive.
(where first is breathing and second is drinking). </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669847</id>
	<title>Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>EQ</author>
	<datestamp>1247393640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.  Try percent body fat instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670349</id>
	<title>Hold on a sec, Captain Obvious</title>
	<author>brusk</author>
	<datestamp>1247397600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What isn't clear from TFA, and seems to be the crux of whether this is a story or not, is whether this particular flu is affecting obese people disproportionately <b>as compared to similar influenzas</b>. If all strains of flu have the same pattern and are more severe (by whatever measure) in obese people, then there's nothing interesting here. If, on the other hand, the correlation between BMI and severity is much higher for this H1N1, that's a potential clue, one that might tell us something about (a) how this particular virus works, which could be useful in developing treatments for everyone, and/or (b) how obesity affects immune response, which could be helpful in the treatment of other infectious diseases. But, alas, TFA gives only anecdotal evidence so we can't even speculate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is n't clear from TFA , and seems to be the crux of whether this is a story or not , is whether this particular flu is affecting obese people disproportionately as compared to similar influenzas .
If all strains of flu have the same pattern and are more severe ( by whatever measure ) in obese people , then there 's nothing interesting here .
If , on the other hand , the correlation between BMI and severity is much higher for this H1N1 , that 's a potential clue , one that might tell us something about ( a ) how this particular virus works , which could be useful in developing treatments for everyone , and/or ( b ) how obesity affects immune response , which could be helpful in the treatment of other infectious diseases .
But , alas , TFA gives only anecdotal evidence so we ca n't even speculate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What isn't clear from TFA, and seems to be the crux of whether this is a story or not, is whether this particular flu is affecting obese people disproportionately as compared to similar influenzas.
If all strains of flu have the same pattern and are more severe (by whatever measure) in obese people, then there's nothing interesting here.
If, on the other hand, the correlation between BMI and severity is much higher for this H1N1, that's a potential clue, one that might tell us something about (a) how this particular virus works, which could be useful in developing treatments for everyone, and/or (b) how obesity affects immune response, which could be helpful in the treatment of other infectious diseases.
But, alas, TFA gives only anecdotal evidence so we can't even speculate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673417</id>
	<title>That explains why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247518260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That explains why it is called the American Flu in some other countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That explains why it is called the American Flu in some other countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That explains why it is called the American Flu in some other countries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671001</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>3doghouse</author>
	<datestamp>1247403780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Subsidies stink, but corn and soy... McDonald's and Wendy's...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Subsidies stink , but corn and soy... McDonald 's and Wendy 's.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Subsidies stink, but corn and soy... McDonald's and Wendy's...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673609</id>
	<title>irony: pig flu spreading to pig-like humans</title>
	<author>thecaem</author>
	<datestamp>1247478480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>finally! a cure for the cellulose of epic portions!</htmltext>
<tokenext>finally !
a cure for the cellulose of epic portions !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finally!
a cure for the cellulose of epic portions!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671871</id>
	<title>Re:Genius!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247412180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans!</p></div><p>Well, at least they're targeting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans ! Well , at least they 're targeting / .
readers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly this is a terrorist act targeting Americans!Well, at least they're targeting /.
readers
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670357</id>
	<title>I have one word for it........</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247397660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Darwin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Darwin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Darwin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28676031</id>
	<title>Re:Confuses cause and effect</title>
	<author>LizardKing</author>
	<datestamp>1247498880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.</i> </p><p>I've got TB, but I'm still working and got to the gym three to four times a week. Despite that, if I get swine flu it will likely kill me as the medication I'm taking impairs my immune system. So, I'm seriously ill (without completing the course of medication I'd likely be dead in twelve months), but definitely not bed ridden. Similar for many others with immune systems impaired by illness or event from nothing more than a bad diet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are seriously ill , you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone , steroids and other drugs .
I 've got TB , but I 'm still working and got to the gym three to four times a week .
Despite that , if I get swine flu it will likely kill me as the medication I 'm taking impairs my immune system .
So , I 'm seriously ill ( without completing the course of medication I 'd likely be dead in twelve months ) , but definitely not bed ridden .
Similar for many others with immune systems impaired by illness or event from nothing more than a bad diet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If you are seriously ill, you are likely bed ridden and pumped with cortizone, steroids and other drugs.
I've got TB, but I'm still working and got to the gym three to four times a week.
Despite that, if I get swine flu it will likely kill me as the medication I'm taking impairs my immune system.
So, I'm seriously ill (without completing the course of medication I'd likely be dead in twelve months), but definitely not bed ridden.
Similar for many others with immune systems impaired by illness or event from nothing more than a bad diet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28682953</id>
	<title>BEST NEWS IVE HEARD ALL DAY</title>
	<author>xmvince</author>
	<datestamp>1247480940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe there is a god?

I WISH I could gain weight! Been 150 pounds forever</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe there is a god ?
I WISH I could gain weight !
Been 150 pounds forever</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe there is a god?
I WISH I could gain weight!
Been 150 pounds forever</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672803</id>
	<title>BMI is perfectly valid</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1247422740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because its easy to come by. percent body fat is a lot harder to measure. the point is to get a meaningful number in front of people to help them control their weight as easily as possible. an overly anal retentive emphasis on a marginally more exact measurement, arrived at through a much harder measurement process, is obviously stupid</p><p>if you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger, of course BMI has no meaning. but if you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger, you are obviously way fucking more into your percent body fat and a proper measurement of such. no one muscular is going to see a high BMI and go "i'm fat", so please: stop being overly anal retentive for the sake of moronic grandstanding</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because its easy to come by .
percent body fat is a lot harder to measure .
the point is to get a meaningful number in front of people to help them control their weight as easily as possible .
an overly anal retentive emphasis on a marginally more exact measurement , arrived at through a much harder measurement process , is obviously stupidif you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger , of course BMI has no meaning .
but if you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger , you are obviously way fucking more into your percent body fat and a proper measurement of such .
no one muscular is going to see a high BMI and go " i 'm fat " , so please : stop being overly anal retentive for the sake of moronic grandstanding</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because its easy to come by.
percent body fat is a lot harder to measure.
the point is to get a meaningful number in front of people to help them control their weight as easily as possible.
an overly anal retentive emphasis on a marginally more exact measurement, arrived at through a much harder measurement process, is obviously stupidif you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger, of course BMI has no meaning.
but if you have the build of arnold schwarzenegger, you are obviously way fucking more into your percent body fat and a proper measurement of such.
no one muscular is going to see a high BMI and go "i'm fat", so please: stop being overly anal retentive for the sake of moronic grandstanding</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28678119</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>daveywest</author>
	<datestamp>1247506020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As part of a weight loss initiative, the local hospital offered body fat tests for only $50.  You must be under 300 pounds just to take the test.  I know someone who wishes she could just find out what her body fat percentage is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As part of a weight loss initiative , the local hospital offered body fat tests for only $ 50 .
You must be under 300 pounds just to take the test .
I know someone who wishes she could just find out what her body fat percentage is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As part of a weight loss initiative, the local hospital offered body fat tests for only $50.
You must be under 300 pounds just to take the test.
I know someone who wishes she could just find out what her body fat percentage is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670779</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>plasmacutter</author>
	<datestamp>1247401680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.</p><p>What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies?  How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc. foods?</p></div><p>It would cause famine whenever the climate so much as sneezed, because over-production is the only way to get around that, but it will not happen without subsidies.</p><p>On the other hand, if the government mandated a larger fraction (larger than current) of this extra food be shipped overseas for aid or stored for a catastrophe it would have the same effect you're looking for without putting the US under threat of famine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies ?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds ' , Wendys ' , etc .
foods ? It would cause famine whenever the climate so much as sneezed , because over-production is the only way to get around that , but it will not happen without subsidies.On the other hand , if the government mandated a larger fraction ( larger than current ) of this extra food be shipped overseas for aid or stored for a catastrophe it would have the same effect you 're looking for without putting the US under threat of famine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes you wonder just how much this nations spends annually on corn and soy subsidies and just how much we will pay in the future as more and more people become sickly due to the low price of the poor nutrition that they are often offered.What if we got rid of those agricultural subsidies?
How will that affect the cost of McDonalds', Wendys', etc.
foods?It would cause famine whenever the climate so much as sneezed, because over-production is the only way to get around that, but it will not happen without subsidies.On the other hand, if the government mandated a larger fraction (larger than current) of this extra food be shipped overseas for aid or stored for a catastrophe it would have the same effect you're looking for without putting the US under threat of famine.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670275</id>
	<title>"Swine" flu targets the obese?</title>
	<author>ZosX</author>
	<datestamp>1247396880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes the jokes just write themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671439</id>
	<title>Wake up too yourselves !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247408100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay so all you smart people think its easy to lose weight and Fat people are poorly motivated losers.</p><p>You need to think again I personally had surgery to help with this issue ( So yeah I tried hard ) and most doctors who specialise in Obesity will tell you Human beings will never lose more than around 10KG without some kind of help.</p><p>I suggest that you don't deserve an opinion if you have never been overwieght by more than 10\% your body wieght as basically you have no idea how hard exercises is for someone who is morbidly obese. Now i'm not giveing anyone a free pass but don't comment unless you been there because to be honest with you normal/thin people have absolutley no idea about the issues involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay so all you smart people think its easy to lose weight and Fat people are poorly motivated losers.You need to think again I personally had surgery to help with this issue ( So yeah I tried hard ) and most doctors who specialise in Obesity will tell you Human beings will never lose more than around 10KG without some kind of help.I suggest that you do n't deserve an opinion if you have never been overwieght by more than 10 \ % your body wieght as basically you have no idea how hard exercises is for someone who is morbidly obese .
Now i 'm not giveing anyone a free pass but do n't comment unless you been there because to be honest with you normal/thin people have absolutley no idea about the issues involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay so all you smart people think its easy to lose weight and Fat people are poorly motivated losers.You need to think again I personally had surgery to help with this issue ( So yeah I tried hard ) and most doctors who specialise in Obesity will tell you Human beings will never lose more than around 10KG without some kind of help.I suggest that you don't deserve an opinion if you have never been overwieght by more than 10\% your body wieght as basically you have no idea how hard exercises is for someone who is morbidly obese.
Now i'm not giveing anyone a free pass but don't comment unless you been there because to be honest with you normal/thin people have absolutley no idea about the issues involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671389</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1247407680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANAF, but isn't the point of subsidies to pay people to make LESS food, thus driving UP prices?  Or at least some subsidies.  Things like tax breaks make it cheaper to grow food (or not grow food as the case may be - the more land you can buy the more food you can not grow and thus the more you can be paid to not grow it).  No, this post doesn't make any sense, but I didn't invent the USDA and the tax code...</p><p>Without subsidies the cost of food could go either up or down.  There are factors that would push it both ways.  Somebody who knows more about this stuff could probably say for sure which way it would go.</p><p>The reason your cheeseburgers are so cheap aren't really subsidies, but the invention of fertilizer and farm equipment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAF , but is n't the point of subsidies to pay people to make LESS food , thus driving UP prices ?
Or at least some subsidies .
Things like tax breaks make it cheaper to grow food ( or not grow food as the case may be - the more land you can buy the more food you can not grow and thus the more you can be paid to not grow it ) .
No , this post does n't make any sense , but I did n't invent the USDA and the tax code...Without subsidies the cost of food could go either up or down .
There are factors that would push it both ways .
Somebody who knows more about this stuff could probably say for sure which way it would go.The reason your cheeseburgers are so cheap are n't really subsidies , but the invention of fertilizer and farm equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAF, but isn't the point of subsidies to pay people to make LESS food, thus driving UP prices?
Or at least some subsidies.
Things like tax breaks make it cheaper to grow food (or not grow food as the case may be - the more land you can buy the more food you can not grow and thus the more you can be paid to not grow it).
No, this post doesn't make any sense, but I didn't invent the USDA and the tax code...Without subsidies the cost of food could go either up or down.
There are factors that would push it both ways.
Somebody who knows more about this stuff could probably say for sure which way it would go.The reason your cheeseburgers are so cheap aren't really subsidies, but the invention of fertilizer and farm equipment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670445</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247398620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There aren't correlation. BMI is the relation between your weight and the square of your tall. Muscle weighs more than fat, because of this somebody can have more than a 25 BMI and not be obese.<br>On the other hand fraction body fat is, obviously, the fraction of your weight that is fat.</p><p>Sincerely, sorry for my English. I hope nobody want to kill me before this comment...0:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are n't correlation .
BMI is the relation between your weight and the square of your tall .
Muscle weighs more than fat , because of this somebody can have more than a 25 BMI and not be obese.On the other hand fraction body fat is , obviously , the fraction of your weight that is fat.Sincerely , sorry for my English .
I hope nobody want to kill me before this comment...0 : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There aren't correlation.
BMI is the relation between your weight and the square of your tall.
Muscle weighs more than fat, because of this somebody can have more than a 25 BMI and not be obese.On the other hand fraction body fat is, obviously, the fraction of your weight that is fat.Sincerely, sorry for my English.
I hope nobody want to kill me before this comment...0:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670215</id>
	<title>FUD?</title>
	<author>Lilo-x</author>
	<datestamp>1247396220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is just FUD around swine flu</p><p>this isn't disproportionally to other flus, if you are over weight when you are ill with respiratory problems it is fact you will have more complications and a higher chance of death.</p><p>1) eat burgers<br>2) get fat<br>3) catch flu<br>4) disproportionally die<br>5) profit??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is just FUD around swine fluthis is n't disproportionally to other flus , if you are over weight when you are ill with respiratory problems it is fact you will have more complications and a higher chance of death.1 ) eat burgers2 ) get fat3 ) catch flu4 ) disproportionally die5 ) profit ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is just FUD around swine fluthis isn't disproportionally to other flus, if you are over weight when you are ill with respiratory problems it is fact you will have more complications and a higher chance of death.1) eat burgers2) get fat3) catch flu4) disproportionally die5) profit?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670511</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247399160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those fast food chains generally import their meat from 3rd world countries don't they? I'm not sure if getting rid of subsidaries would do ANYTHING to them other than make them import even more stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those fast food chains generally import their meat from 3rd world countries do n't they ?
I 'm not sure if getting rid of subsidaries would do ANYTHING to them other than make them import even more stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those fast food chains generally import their meat from 3rd world countries don't they?
I'm not sure if getting rid of subsidaries would do ANYTHING to them other than make them import even more stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670273</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1247396880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure. Try percent body fat instead.</p></div><p>I generally agree that body fat percent is way more sensible, but at BMI of 40, we're talking about evident obesity. That, or phenomenal muscle mass, which wasn't the case here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure .
Try percent body fat instead.I generally agree that body fat percent is way more sensible , but at BMI of 40 , we 're talking about evident obesity .
That , or phenomenal muscle mass , which was n't the case here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BMI is a bogus and misleading measure.
Try percent body fat instead.I generally agree that body fat percent is way more sensible, but at BMI of 40, we're talking about evident obesity.
That, or phenomenal muscle mass, which wasn't the case here.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28672999</id>
	<title>Re:And cue the fatty bashing</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1247425740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I weighed 70kgs (140lbs) as an 18 year old, 130kgs (260lbs) as a 22 year old then worked like crazy and weighed 80kgs (160) as a 25 year old.</p><p>So I'll call fatties fat if I wish.</p><p>And I know! There's *nothing* worse than a reformed fatty or reformed smoker - which I am as well (I'm like a double barrelled shot gun of moral superiority these days!).</p><p>And yes my horse *is* very tall, thanks for asking...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I weighed 70kgs ( 140lbs ) as an 18 year old , 130kgs ( 260lbs ) as a 22 year old then worked like crazy and weighed 80kgs ( 160 ) as a 25 year old.So I 'll call fatties fat if I wish.And I know !
There 's * nothing * worse than a reformed fatty or reformed smoker - which I am as well ( I 'm like a double barrelled shot gun of moral superiority these days !
) .And yes my horse * is * very tall , thanks for asking.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I weighed 70kgs (140lbs) as an 18 year old, 130kgs (260lbs) as a 22 year old then worked like crazy and weighed 80kgs (160) as a 25 year old.So I'll call fatties fat if I wish.And I know!
There's *nothing* worse than a reformed fatty or reformed smoker - which I am as well (I'm like a double barrelled shot gun of moral superiority these days!
).And yes my horse *is* very tall, thanks for asking...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28674733</id>
	<title>Re:stop using the term swine flu</title>
	<author>Grim Leaper</author>
	<datestamp>1247491560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the term itself is misleading, the virus strand might have originated from swine, but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs.  The proper term should be Influenza A (H1N1)</p></div><p> <i>Swine flu</i> : two syllables[1]
<br>
<i>Influenza A (H1N1)</i>: nine syllables
</p><p>
Concise usually beats accurate.  Such is life.
</p><p>
[1] Give or take.  I'll never understand diphthongs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the term itself is misleading , the virus strand might have originated from swine , but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs .
The proper term should be Influenza A ( H1N1 ) Swine flu : two syllables [ 1 ] Influenza A ( H1N1 ) : nine syllables Concise usually beats accurate .
Such is life .
[ 1 ] Give or take .
I 'll never understand diphthongs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the term itself is misleading, the virus strand might have originated from swine, but the current flu has nothing to do with pigs.
The proper term should be Influenza A (H1N1) Swine flu : two syllables[1]

Influenza A (H1N1): nine syllables

Concise usually beats accurate.
Such is life.
[1] Give or take.
I'll never understand diphthongs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669961</id>
	<title>Yes, that's you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Put down that nacho.  Now!
</p><p>
Hm... How many fatsos does it take to make a pig fly?
</p><p>
Makes me hungry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put down that nacho .
Now ! Hm... How many fatsos does it take to make a pig fly ?
Makes me hungry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Put down that nacho.
Now!

Hm... How many fatsos does it take to make a pig fly?
Makes me hungry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28678399</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247507040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just incorrect bullshit. Muscles is denser than fat, and so it's easier to raise your BMI number with muscle than with fat. Over 40 is not "always fat". You can be over 40 with a body fat percentage under 10 percent. That's not fat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just incorrect bullshit .
Muscles is denser than fat , and so it 's easier to raise your BMI number with muscle than with fat .
Over 40 is not " always fat " .
You can be over 40 with a body fat percentage under 10 percent .
That 's not fat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just incorrect bullshit.
Muscles is denser than fat, and so it's easier to raise your BMI number with muscle than with fat.
Over 40 is not "always fat".
You can be over 40 with a body fat percentage under 10 percent.
That's not fat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670257</id>
	<title>Re:Darwinism is Finally Back!</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1247396640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you intended to say evolution rather than Darwinism.  Darwinism implies a social policy of letting evolution run its course in human society unhindered rather then the natural process of evolution itself. Darwin probably would not have supported such a policy himself.</p><p>I also take issue with your implied assertion that the process has been running in reverse.  I don't think the process can run in reverse.  The fittest always are more successful at procreation than the unfit.  Its a matter of being fit for the particular situation.  It so happens that I and again I would suppose you based on your comment don't approve of the results.  Sadly I think living in our society makes a your typical lard ass perfectly fit or at least no less fit as a result of their obesity.</p><p>Now if some new forms of disease we can't easily and cheaply treat start attacking people with more fat cells then the obese will again be less fit in the new situation, and we probably will see a trend to slimmer folks again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you intended to say evolution rather than Darwinism .
Darwinism implies a social policy of letting evolution run its course in human society unhindered rather then the natural process of evolution itself .
Darwin probably would not have supported such a policy himself.I also take issue with your implied assertion that the process has been running in reverse .
I do n't think the process can run in reverse .
The fittest always are more successful at procreation than the unfit .
Its a matter of being fit for the particular situation .
It so happens that I and again I would suppose you based on your comment do n't approve of the results .
Sadly I think living in our society makes a your typical lard ass perfectly fit or at least no less fit as a result of their obesity.Now if some new forms of disease we ca n't easily and cheaply treat start attacking people with more fat cells then the obese will again be less fit in the new situation , and we probably will see a trend to slimmer folks again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you intended to say evolution rather than Darwinism.
Darwinism implies a social policy of letting evolution run its course in human society unhindered rather then the natural process of evolution itself.
Darwin probably would not have supported such a policy himself.I also take issue with your implied assertion that the process has been running in reverse.
I don't think the process can run in reverse.
The fittest always are more successful at procreation than the unfit.
Its a matter of being fit for the particular situation.
It so happens that I and again I would suppose you based on your comment don't approve of the results.
Sadly I think living in our society makes a your typical lard ass perfectly fit or at least no less fit as a result of their obesity.Now if some new forms of disease we can't easily and cheaply treat start attacking people with more fat cells then the obese will again be less fit in the new situation, and we probably will see a trend to slimmer folks again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669845</id>
	<title>Well... yeh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247393640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Being obese is pretty much an invitation for all sorts of problems.  I love my steak, fries, chocolate, soda and burgers, I just eat them once every other week in small quantities.

It helps when I think of baby carrots and apples as snacks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Being obese is pretty much an invitation for all sorts of problems .
I love my steak , fries , chocolate , soda and burgers , I just eat them once every other week in small quantities .
It helps when I think of baby carrots and apples as snacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being obese is pretty much an invitation for all sorts of problems.
I love my steak, fries, chocolate, soda and burgers, I just eat them once every other week in small quantities.
It helps when I think of baby carrots and apples as snacks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670153</id>
	<title>someone had to say it...</title>
	<author>tpjunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1247395680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>God hates fats!</htmltext>
<tokenext>God hates fats !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God hates fats!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671887</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>xtal</author>
	<datestamp>1247412300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fast food's dangers are overblown, the propensity to overeat is not.</p><p>Various times in my life I basically live off McDonalds, Wendys, and coffee, and beer for weeks at a time. I'm too lazy to manage groceries while working 12-14 hours a day, and when I come home, I want to sleep.</p><p>I'm not fat. If anything I am skinny. (165-170lb, 6'2). My cardio is good. My blood chemistry is fine. I get a extensive medical every two years. No problems.</p><p>Fast food is cheap and tasty.. just don't eat too much.</p><p>As far as agricultural subsidies go, you need to make it worthwhile for farmers to produce crops for national security reasons. It's a real bad idea to let the markets run those things, and this is a view widely accepted by economists. YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fast food 's dangers are overblown , the propensity to overeat is not.Various times in my life I basically live off McDonalds , Wendys , and coffee , and beer for weeks at a time .
I 'm too lazy to manage groceries while working 12-14 hours a day , and when I come home , I want to sleep.I 'm not fat .
If anything I am skinny .
( 165-170lb , 6'2 ) .
My cardio is good .
My blood chemistry is fine .
I get a extensive medical every two years .
No problems.Fast food is cheap and tasty.. just do n't eat too much.As far as agricultural subsidies go , you need to make it worthwhile for farmers to produce crops for national security reasons .
It 's a real bad idea to let the markets run those things , and this is a view widely accepted by economists .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fast food's dangers are overblown, the propensity to overeat is not.Various times in my life I basically live off McDonalds, Wendys, and coffee, and beer for weeks at a time.
I'm too lazy to manage groceries while working 12-14 hours a day, and when I come home, I want to sleep.I'm not fat.
If anything I am skinny.
(165-170lb, 6'2).
My cardio is good.
My blood chemistry is fine.
I get a extensive medical every two years.
No problems.Fast food is cheap and tasty.. just don't eat too much.As far as agricultural subsidies go, you need to make it worthwhile for farmers to produce crops for national security reasons.
It's a real bad idea to let the markets run those things, and this is a view widely accepted by economists.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673667</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247479200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nature seems to be correcting itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nature seems to be correcting itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nature seems to be correcting itself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670413</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of subsidies</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1247398140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not very much. The actual ingredients aren't that big a chunk of the overall cost of prepared food.</p><p>Some sort of estimate is possible; assume McDonald's pays $3 a pound for beef (I expect they pay quite a bit less than this, $3 is close to the retail price for 80/20, which is apparently what they use). Assume that they make each regular hamburger with 1/10 of a pound of meat (it is probably closer to 1/12) and the cost of the most expensive ingredient is $0.30. Double the price of beef and the cost of the burger goes up $0.30 (at most, probably less).</p><p>So how does the price of corn effect the price of beef? It looks like 20 pounds of corn for 1 pound of beef is a nice safe high estimate of the amount of corn involved, so at $0.066 per pound of corn (56 pounds per bushel, $3.67 per bushel, the July), each pound of beef consumes about $1.30 of corn. So if the price of corn tripled, the $3 beef might then cost $5.60, pushing the price of the burger up $0.26.</p><p>That's probably a pretty simplistic view of how the different parts are interrelated, but I don't think it is completely ridiculous, and there is a good chance that it is an overestimate (because I tried really hard to make it an overestimate).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not very much .
The actual ingredients are n't that big a chunk of the overall cost of prepared food.Some sort of estimate is possible ; assume McDonald 's pays $ 3 a pound for beef ( I expect they pay quite a bit less than this , $ 3 is close to the retail price for 80/20 , which is apparently what they use ) .
Assume that they make each regular hamburger with 1/10 of a pound of meat ( it is probably closer to 1/12 ) and the cost of the most expensive ingredient is $ 0.30 .
Double the price of beef and the cost of the burger goes up $ 0.30 ( at most , probably less ) .So how does the price of corn effect the price of beef ?
It looks like 20 pounds of corn for 1 pound of beef is a nice safe high estimate of the amount of corn involved , so at $ 0.066 per pound of corn ( 56 pounds per bushel , $ 3.67 per bushel , the July ) , each pound of beef consumes about $ 1.30 of corn .
So if the price of corn tripled , the $ 3 beef might then cost $ 5.60 , pushing the price of the burger up $ 0.26.That 's probably a pretty simplistic view of how the different parts are interrelated , but I do n't think it is completely ridiculous , and there is a good chance that it is an overestimate ( because I tried really hard to make it an overestimate ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not very much.
The actual ingredients aren't that big a chunk of the overall cost of prepared food.Some sort of estimate is possible; assume McDonald's pays $3 a pound for beef (I expect they pay quite a bit less than this, $3 is close to the retail price for 80/20, which is apparently what they use).
Assume that they make each regular hamburger with 1/10 of a pound of meat (it is probably closer to 1/12) and the cost of the most expensive ingredient is $0.30.
Double the price of beef and the cost of the burger goes up $0.30 (at most, probably less).So how does the price of corn effect the price of beef?
It looks like 20 pounds of corn for 1 pound of beef is a nice safe high estimate of the amount of corn involved, so at $0.066 per pound of corn (56 pounds per bushel, $3.67 per bushel, the July), each pound of beef consumes about $1.30 of corn.
So if the price of corn tripled, the $3 beef might then cost $5.60, pushing the price of the burger up $0.26.That's probably a pretty simplistic view of how the different parts are interrelated, but I don't think it is completely ridiculous, and there is a good chance that it is an overestimate (because I tried really hard to make it an overestimate).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670119</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247395560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, but one would probably know whether one's high BMI is due to much muscle or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but one would probably know whether one 's high BMI is due to much muscle or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but one would probably know whether one's high BMI is due to much muscle or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28671977</id>
	<title>This just reminds me of another reason...</title>
	<author>RavenousBlack</author>
	<datestamp>1247413080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...why I don't understand how people don't believe in natural selection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...why I do n't understand how people do n't believe in natural selection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...why I don't understand how people don't believe in natural selection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670599</id>
	<title>Volumetrics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247399880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dr Barbara Rolls. No BS, no magic, no fads, no pills. Just eating right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dr Barbara Rolls .
No BS , no magic , no fads , no pills .
Just eating right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dr Barbara Rolls.
No BS, no magic, no fads, no pills.
Just eating right.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28673573</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1247477640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok - I'm not going to argue that 40 in BMI is anything but obese, so in the extremities of the scale, BMI can be a valid measurement.</p><p>However, when you start to look at BMI around 30, you'll have to ignore the BMI results.</p><p>I've got a BMI of 29.something, but a bodyfat of 17\%. A doctor told me to lose 25kg, which would give a good BMI, but an unhealty bodyfat percentage.</p><p>For extremities, BMI can be used as indications of over/underweight, 15-30, not at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok - I 'm not going to argue that 40 in BMI is anything but obese , so in the extremities of the scale , BMI can be a valid measurement.However , when you start to look at BMI around 30 , you 'll have to ignore the BMI results.I 've got a BMI of 29.something , but a bodyfat of 17 \ % .
A doctor told me to lose 25kg , which would give a good BMI , but an unhealty bodyfat percentage.For extremities , BMI can be used as indications of over/underweight , 15-30 , not at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok - I'm not going to argue that 40 in BMI is anything but obese, so in the extremities of the scale, BMI can be a valid measurement.However, when you start to look at BMI around 30, you'll have to ignore the BMI results.I've got a BMI of 29.something, but a bodyfat of 17\%.
A doctor told me to lose 25kg, which would give a good BMI, but an unhealty bodyfat percentage.For extremities, BMI can be used as indications of over/underweight, 15-30, not at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670129</id>
	<title>It's called "swine flu" for a reason ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247395620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It kills people who eat like pigs.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It kills people who eat like pigs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It kills people who eat like pigs.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28669875</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28678117</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>spectro</author>
	<datestamp>1247506020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body's immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO's chronic diseases department in Geneva.</i>"
<p>
[Citation Needed] Where is the peer-reviewed study proving this assertion?
</p><p>
Doctors have the tendency of coming up with big pieces of bullshit out their asses without any scientific proof for them... they recommended the food pyramid without being able to prove the dogma that "a high-carb, low fat diet reduces body fat and cholesterol".
</p><p>
Doctors all over the world keep saying "fat is evil" without any proof when recent studies of human metabolism are showing the human body seems to function better on a high-fat, low-carb diet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic , low-level inflammation that can hamper the body 's immune response and narrow the airways , says Tim Armstrong , a doctor working in the WHO 's chronic diseases department in Geneva .
" [ Citation Needed ] Where is the peer-reviewed study proving this assertion ?
Doctors have the tendency of coming up with big pieces of bullshit out their asses without any scientific proof for them... they recommended the food pyramid without being able to prove the dogma that " a high-carb , low fat diet reduces body fat and cholesterol " .
Doctors all over the world keep saying " fat is evil " without any proof when recent studies of human metabolism are showing the human body seems to function better on a high-fat , low-carb diet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body's immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO's chronic diseases department in Geneva.
"

[Citation Needed] Where is the peer-reviewed study proving this assertion?
Doctors have the tendency of coming up with big pieces of bullshit out their asses without any scientific proof for them... they recommended the food pyramid without being able to prove the dogma that "a high-carb, low fat diet reduces body fat and cholesterol".
Doctors all over the world keep saying "fat is evil" without any proof when recent studies of human metabolism are showing the human body seems to function better on a high-fat, low-carb diet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670957</id>
	<title>"...Disproportionally"</title>
	<author>SunnySideLeft</author>
	<datestamp>1247403420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So...as opposed to just killing them it kills them, takes their money and calls them names?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So...as opposed to just killing them it kills them , takes their money and calls them names ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So...as opposed to just killing them it kills them, takes their money and calls them names?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_216240.28670229</id>
	<title>Re:Dammit, BMI != fat in all cases</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1247396400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=waist" title="reference.com">waist</a> [reference.com].</p><p>Waste to intake ratio <i>might</i> actually be be another way to chart it. We'd have to do it, to find out.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean waist [ reference.com ] .Waste to intake ratio might actually be be another way to chart it .
We 'd have to do it , to find out .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean waist [reference.com].Waste to intake ratio might actually be be another way to chart it.
We'd have to do it, to find out.
;)</sentencetext>
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