<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_12_0611201</id>
	<title>Cruising Fisherman's Wharf For New Passports' Serial Numbers</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247400120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>schwit1 writes <i>"Fox News has an AP story on a hacker in San Francisco driving around and needing as little as <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531720,00.html">20 minutes to be successful in acquiring a passport number</a>: 'Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians' electronic US passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags. Within an hour, he'd "skimmed" the identifiers of four more of the new, microchipped PASS cards from a distance of 20 feet. ... Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>schwit1 writes " Fox News has an AP story on a hacker in San Francisco driving around and needing as little as 20 minutes to be successful in acquiring a passport number : 'Zipping past Fisherman 's Wharf , his scanner detected , then downloaded to his laptop , the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians ' electronic US passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification , or RFID , tags .
Within an hour , he 'd " skimmed " the identifiers of four more of the new , microchipped PASS cards from a distance of 20 feet .
... Meanwhile , Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow " widespread surveillance of individuals " without their knowledge or consent .
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<sentencetext>schwit1 writes "Fox News has an AP story on a hacker in San Francisco driving around and needing as little as 20 minutes to be successful in acquiring a passport number: 'Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians' electronic US passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags.
Within an hour, he'd "skimmed" the identifiers of four more of the new, microchipped PASS cards from a distance of 20 feet.
... Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667321</id>
	<title>Guess RFID was a dumb choice for passports</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1247414160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The designers should have known, and any RFID system, can
be read without the owner knowing it, making it a security risk.
Bad choice of technology from the outset.
<p>
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<tokenext>The designers should have known , and any RFID system , can be read without the owner knowing it , making it a security risk .
Bad choice of technology from the outset .
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<sentencetext>The designers should have known, and any RFID system, can
be read without the owner knowing it, making it a security risk.
Bad choice of technology from the outset.
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Privacy vs Surveillance [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668905</id>
	<title>Re:thats not a warning...</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1247428980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And when we have an RFID card that you're required to carry at all times... if you're using a public sidewalk or city park, it charges you a "pedestrian tax" based on duration and location. Stores could charge a micropayment for window shopping, and a wear-and-tear payment for walking in the door. The ballpark could charge you a spectator fee based on how long you stood outside peering through that hole in the outfield fence. And so on...</p><p>This all sounds absurd right now, but is perfectly doable... and it's not like absurd has stopped 'em in the past.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And when we have an RFID card that you 're required to carry at all times... if you 're using a public sidewalk or city park , it charges you a " pedestrian tax " based on duration and location .
Stores could charge a micropayment for window shopping , and a wear-and-tear payment for walking in the door .
The ballpark could charge you a spectator fee based on how long you stood outside peering through that hole in the outfield fence .
And so on...This all sounds absurd right now , but is perfectly doable... and it 's not like absurd has stopped 'em in the past .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when we have an RFID card that you're required to carry at all times... if you're using a public sidewalk or city park, it charges you a "pedestrian tax" based on duration and location.
Stores could charge a micropayment for window shopping, and a wear-and-tear payment for walking in the door.
The ballpark could charge you a spectator fee based on how long you stood outside peering through that hole in the outfield fence.
And so on...This all sounds absurd right now, but is perfectly doable... and it's not like absurd has stopped 'em in the past.
:/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668869</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>FearForWings</author>
	<datestamp>1247428740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be fair there is a passport office, and several consulates that issue visas in SF. It's possible the passports didn't even belong to the people carrying them, as it is common to use a third party to get foreign visas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair there is a passport office , and several consulates that issue visas in SF .
It 's possible the passports did n't even belong to the people carrying them , as it is common to use a third party to get foreign visas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair there is a passport office, and several consulates that issue visas in SF.
It's possible the passports didn't even belong to the people carrying them, as it is common to use a third party to get foreign visas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666977</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247409420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.<br>Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is. It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Don't worry, we all fell for it. As long as we learn from it, that is ok.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is .
It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people .
: ) Do n't worry , we all fell for it .
As long as we learn from it , that is ok. : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is.
It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people.
:)Don't worry, we all fell for it.
As long as we learn from it, that is ok. :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</id>
	<title>Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247403840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's strange that politicians and other managers seem to have a totally different idea of the meaning of the word 'security' than other people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's strange that politicians and other managers seem to have a totally different idea of the meaning of the word 'security ' than other people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's strange that politicians and other managers seem to have a totally different idea of the meaning of the word 'security' than other people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28673051</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Thanshin</author>
	<datestamp>1247426340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My version has more sailors involved.</p></div><p>You can say pirates, you're in Slashdot, we won't judge you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My version has more sailors involved.You can say pirates , you 're in Slashdot , we wo n't judge you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My version has more sailors involved.You can say pirates, you're in Slashdot, we won't judge you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667859</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667097</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247411460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just put it in the Microwave for 3 seconds and it will fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just put it in the Microwave for 3 seconds and it will fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just put it in the Microwave for 3 seconds and it will fix it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667289</id>
	<title>Ummm...your cellphone...</title>
	<author>bartwol</author>
	<datestamp>1247413800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if I can get my RF scanning equipment within 20 feet of you, I can get the passport office's unique identifier for you. (Where can I use that identifier besides the passport office?) As a tracking strategy, one scanning device every 20 feet is going to be an expensive grid.<p>

Good thing the whole country's already wired for cellphone service and service providers share connectivity in support of roaming. Lord knows how many people can track your whereabouts right now.</p><p>

Oops...I left my passport at home today.</p><p>

Slashdot...if it's technical, it must be stuff that matters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I can get my RF scanning equipment within 20 feet of you , I can get the passport office 's unique identifier for you .
( Where can I use that identifier besides the passport office ?
) As a tracking strategy , one scanning device every 20 feet is going to be an expensive grid .
Good thing the whole country 's already wired for cellphone service and service providers share connectivity in support of roaming .
Lord knows how many people can track your whereabouts right now .
Oops...I left my passport at home today .
Slashdot...if it 's technical , it must be stuff that matters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I can get my RF scanning equipment within 20 feet of you, I can get the passport office's unique identifier for you.
(Where can I use that identifier besides the passport office?
) As a tracking strategy, one scanning device every 20 feet is going to be an expensive grid.
Good thing the whole country's already wired for cellphone service and service providers share connectivity in support of roaming.
Lord knows how many people can track your whereabouts right now.
Oops...I left my passport at home today.
Slashdot...if it's technical, it must be stuff that matters?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</id>
	<title>Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247409240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.  I don't think this is part of some massive systems to track us.  Unless the U.S. is setting up this massive trackng network on cruise ships and all over foreign countries... I don't think it will suck in much.. unless of course they enjoy getting receiving data from my passport that always reports that I am 1) at home or 2) on my way to the airport.  Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown .
I do n't think this is part of some massive systems to track us .
Unless the U.S. is setting up this massive trackng network on cruise ships and all over foreign countries... I do n't think it will suck in much.. unless of course they enjoy getting receiving data from my passport that always reports that I am 1 ) at home or 2 ) on my way to the airport .
Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.
I don't think this is part of some massive systems to track us.
Unless the U.S. is setting up this massive trackng network on cruise ships and all over foreign countries... I don't think it will suck in much.. unless of course they enjoy getting receiving data from my passport that always reports that I am 1) at home or 2) on my way to the airport.
Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666779</id>
	<title>Poor encryption</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1247405520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Passports use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic\_Access\_Control" title="wikipedia.org">BAC</a> [wikipedia.org] encryption, which is obviously pretty weak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Passports use BAC [ wikipedia.org ] encryption , which is obviously pretty weak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Passports use BAC [wikipedia.org] encryption, which is obviously pretty weak.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28675531</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1247496840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, I dunno, not use friggin' RFID in the first place?  WTF is wrong with mag stripes and bar codes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , I dunno , not use friggin ' RFID in the first place ?
WTF is wrong with mag stripes and bar codes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, I dunno, not use friggin' RFID in the first place?
WTF is wrong with mag stripes and bar codes?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667987</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247420160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.</p></div><p>If you're not actually interested in this issue, why do you even bother to comment?</p><p>I can TELL you're not actually interested, because you don't understand that the primary problem has nothing to do with our government, and has to do with the potential use of RFID tags to safely and clandestinely identify and track American targets in other countries, for purposes like the taking of hostages.</p><p>The government already has vastly easier ways to track Americans using RFID that don't involve passports, which most of us don't carry with us anyway... many footwear manufacturers and basically all tire manufacturers are embedding RFID tags into shoes and tires, respectively, for the purpose of inventory tracking. In particular it should significantly speed up tire recalls, which happen somewhat frequently. Of course, this is also the ideal setup for tracking people and vehicles... You won't be reading anyone's footwear from inside their car, but once shoes and car are associated the two can be correlated backwards to find out where you've been, which is <em>almost</em> as useful as knowing where you are, not least because given sufficient history it can be used to figure out places you're likely to go.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.If you 're not actually interested in this issue , why do you even bother to comment ? I can TELL you 're not actually interested , because you do n't understand that the primary problem has nothing to do with our government , and has to do with the potential use of RFID tags to safely and clandestinely identify and track American targets in other countries , for purposes like the taking of hostages.The government already has vastly easier ways to track Americans using RFID that do n't involve passports , which most of us do n't carry with us anyway... many footwear manufacturers and basically all tire manufacturers are embedding RFID tags into shoes and tires , respectively , for the purpose of inventory tracking .
In particular it should significantly speed up tire recalls , which happen somewhat frequently .
Of course , this is also the ideal setup for tracking people and vehicles... You wo n't be reading anyone 's footwear from inside their car , but once shoes and car are associated the two can be correlated backwards to find out where you 've been , which is almost as useful as knowing where you are , not least because given sufficient history it can be used to figure out places you 're likely to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.If you're not actually interested in this issue, why do you even bother to comment?I can TELL you're not actually interested, because you don't understand that the primary problem has nothing to do with our government, and has to do with the potential use of RFID tags to safely and clandestinely identify and track American targets in other countries, for purposes like the taking of hostages.The government already has vastly easier ways to track Americans using RFID that don't involve passports, which most of us don't carry with us anyway... many footwear manufacturers and basically all tire manufacturers are embedding RFID tags into shoes and tires, respectively, for the purpose of inventory tracking.
In particular it should significantly speed up tire recalls, which happen somewhat frequently.
Of course, this is also the ideal setup for tracking people and vehicles... You won't be reading anyone's footwear from inside their car, but once shoes and car are associated the two can be correlated backwards to find out where you've been, which is almost as useful as knowing where you are, not least because given sufficient history it can be used to figure out places you're likely to go.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668247</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247422620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so... basically, if you just put a rubber band around your passport to keep it closed, the shielding works, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so... basically , if you just put a rubber band around your passport to keep it closed , the shielding works , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so... basically, if you just put a rubber band around your passport to keep it closed, the shielding works, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667689</id>
	<title>Sell them with the sheath</title>
	<author>gurps\_npc</author>
	<datestamp>1247417460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would it be all that hard for the US government to raise the price $5 and include a blocking sheath?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it be all that hard for the US government to raise the price $ 5 and include a blocking sheath ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it be all that hard for the US government to raise the price $5 and include a blocking sheath?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666691</id>
	<title>staying anonymious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i understand its near impossible to get a proper reading if you say have two rfid cards right next to eachother, so just put 1-2 rfid cards with random info between your passport and wallet</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i understand its near impossible to get a proper reading if you say have two rfid cards right next to eachother , so just put 1-2 rfid cards with random info between your passport and wallet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i understand its near impossible to get a proper reading if you say have two rfid cards right next to eachother, so just put 1-2 rfid cards with random info between your passport and wallet</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666731</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>innerweb</author>
	<datestamp>1247404740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the heck do you think they intended the RIFD passports for?  They are meant to be used to track people.  They are working as intended.</p><p>InnerWeb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the heck do you think they intended the RIFD passports for ?
They are meant to be used to track people .
They are working as intended.InnerWeb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the heck do you think they intended the RIFD passports for?
They are meant to be used to track people.
They are working as intended.InnerWeb</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667419</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1247415180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Driver's licenses are next. Unless someone has a better explanation for the purpose of passport transmitters, I'd say they are a deliberate step on the slippery slope. "Passport" gets people thinking about foreigners and terrorists and planes!...and then hell, you might as well put them in other ID too. The next step of implanting the tags won't even be necessary, since the occasional camera can compare your face to the database to see if your ID is false. <br> <br> Either that or they're working on satellite tracking to monitor citizens' foreign movements.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Driver 's licenses are next .
Unless someone has a better explanation for the purpose of passport transmitters , I 'd say they are a deliberate step on the slippery slope .
" Passport " gets people thinking about foreigners and terrorists and planes ! ...and then hell , you might as well put them in other ID too .
The next step of implanting the tags wo n't even be necessary , since the occasional camera can compare your face to the database to see if your ID is false .
Either that or they 're working on satellite tracking to monitor citizens ' foreign movements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driver's licenses are next.
Unless someone has a better explanation for the purpose of passport transmitters, I'd say they are a deliberate step on the slippery slope.
"Passport" gets people thinking about foreigners and terrorists and planes!...and then hell, you might as well put them in other ID too.
The next step of implanting the tags won't even be necessary, since the occasional camera can compare your face to the database to see if your ID is false.
Either that or they're working on satellite tracking to monitor citizens' foreign movements.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666827</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>theeddie55</author>
	<datestamp>1247406600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that the RFID shield you reference is entirely different to the passport shielding that video demonstrates to be ineffective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the RFID shield you reference is entirely different to the passport shielding that video demonstrates to be ineffective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the RFID shield you reference is entirely different to the passport shielding that video demonstrates to be ineffective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668637</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>vidarh</author>
	<datestamp>1247426640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the UK one of the largest banks have started adding RFID to their credit cards for small purchases...</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK one of the largest banks have started adding RFID to their credit cards for small purchases.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK one of the largest banks have started adding RFID to their credit cards for small purchases...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668181</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668181</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1247421660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or how about just not using RFID at all? I don't see why passports can't use the same style chip as used widely in credit cards and debit cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or how about just not using RFID at all ?
I do n't see why passports ca n't use the same style chip as used widely in credit cards and debit cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or how about just not using RFID at all?
I don't see why passports can't use the same style chip as used widely in credit cards and debit cards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666885</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</id>
	<title>Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You just need to buy an <a href="http://www.rfid-shield.com/" title="rfid-shield.com">RFID shield</a> [rfid-shield.com] for your passport and you can put your mind at ease.  Unless, of course, you want to worry about how they <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XXaqraF7pI" title="youtube.com">don't work</a> [youtube.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You just need to buy an RFID shield [ rfid-shield.com ] for your passport and you can put your mind at ease .
Unless , of course , you want to worry about how they do n't work [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just need to buy an RFID shield [rfid-shield.com] for your passport and you can put your mind at ease.
Unless, of course, you want to worry about how they don't work [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666885</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>MojoRilla</author>
	<datestamp>1247408100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, people shouldn't have to pay $20 for a way to make this technology safer.  The government should improve their own shielding, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency\_identification#Security\_concerns" title="wikipedia.org">use more secure protocols</a> [wikipedia.org] for RFID transmission.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , people should n't have to pay $ 20 for a way to make this technology safer .
The government should improve their own shielding , and use more secure protocols [ wikipedia.org ] for RFID transmission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, people shouldn't have to pay $20 for a way to make this technology safer.
The government should improve their own shielding, and use more secure protocols [wikipedia.org] for RFID transmission.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247391840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country? Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home.</p></div><p>Here in the Netherlands we have to be able to prove our identity any time the police asks for it. The only way accepted by them is to show your passport, so we officialy HAVE TO carry our passports with us any time we are outside.<br>Thank you America and your 'War on Terror' to give our political creeps an excuse to put that one through our throats!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country ?
Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home.Here in the Netherlands we have to be able to prove our identity any time the police asks for it .
The only way accepted by them is to show your passport , so we officialy HAVE TO carry our passports with us any time we are outside.Thank you America and your 'War on Terror ' to give our political creeps an excuse to put that one through our throats !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country?
Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home.Here in the Netherlands we have to be able to prove our identity any time the police asks for it.
The only way accepted by them is to show your passport, so we officialy HAVE TO carry our passports with us any time we are outside.Thank you America and your 'War on Terror' to give our political creeps an excuse to put that one through our throats!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28674617</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247490720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, but the (old?) article is about passport cards, not passports which do not carry an easy to scan tag. You need to have a public transport card (OV-chipkaart) for that...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but the ( old ?
) article is about passport cards , not passports which do not carry an easy to scan tag .
You need to have a public transport card ( OV-chipkaart ) for that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but the (old?
) article is about passport cards, not passports which do not carry an easy to scan tag.
You need to have a public transport card (OV-chipkaart) for that...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668001</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1247420340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?</p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed.  Mine lives in my safe unless actually required.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.</p></div></blockquote><p>You're new here aren't you?  Conjuring up complex big brother scenarios is practically the entire purpose of Slashdot.  Seriously, I've seen less insane scenarios on actual tinfoil hat sites.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically ? Indeed .
Mine lives in my safe unless actually required .
    Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.You 're new here are n't you ?
Conjuring up complex big brother scenarios is practically the entire purpose of Slashdot .
Seriously , I 've seen less insane scenarios on actual tinfoil hat sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?Indeed.
Mine lives in my safe unless actually required.
  
  Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown.You're new here aren't you?
Conjuring up complex big brother scenarios is practically the entire purpose of Slashdot.
Seriously, I've seen less insane scenarios on actual tinfoil hat sites.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668097</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Svartalf</author>
	<datestamp>1247421000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't say far fetched.</p><p>You wouldn't steal data.  You wouldn't be "singling them out" for direct attack.  You would, though, leave things that would instill terror behind that looked for these passports.</p><p>The video's bogus (It looks too smoke and mirrors for them to have actually DONE the exploit they're talking to...), but the risk is actually very real- especially considering that it'd only cost $500 above the cost of the explosives to set up a car-bomb or similar that wouldn't go off until it saw an American passport that way.  And if you get the passport cards, you don't even have the RFID "shield" they've developed for the regular passports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't say far fetched.You would n't steal data .
You would n't be " singling them out " for direct attack .
You would , though , leave things that would instill terror behind that looked for these passports.The video 's bogus ( It looks too smoke and mirrors for them to have actually DONE the exploit they 're talking to... ) , but the risk is actually very real- especially considering that it 'd only cost $ 500 above the cost of the explosives to set up a car-bomb or similar that would n't go off until it saw an American passport that way .
And if you get the passport cards , you do n't even have the RFID " shield " they 've developed for the regular passports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't say far fetched.You wouldn't steal data.
You wouldn't be "singling them out" for direct attack.
You would, though, leave things that would instill terror behind that looked for these passports.The video's bogus (It looks too smoke and mirrors for them to have actually DONE the exploit they're talking to...), but the risk is actually very real- especially considering that it'd only cost $500 above the cost of the explosives to set up a car-bomb or similar that wouldn't go off until it saw an American passport that way.
And if you get the passport cards, you don't even have the RFID "shield" they've developed for the regular passports.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668651</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247426820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're a foreigner in the US, you better carry your passport AND the Visa slip with you ALL the time, unless you want to spend part of your vacation in custody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're a foreigner in the US , you better carry your passport AND the Visa slip with you ALL the time , unless you want to spend part of your vacation in custody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're a foreigner in the US, you better carry your passport AND the Visa slip with you ALL the time, unless you want to spend part of your vacation in custody.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667999</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667345</id>
	<title>Re:hmmm...</title>
	<author>BlueStrat</author>
	<datestamp>1247414340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!</i></p><p><i>We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the government<br>If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government<br>Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by the government<br>I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government<br>I was educated at public schools funded by the government</i></p><p><i>(just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens) If you would rather not have any of those services, there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them. But these are all different departments of government; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system that hasn't even been proposed is beyond me.</i></p><p>First, I think you're confusing terms here. Some of those things you mention are mandated by the Constitution as *duties* of the *federal* government, and not "entitlements".</p><p>Next, there are the various things you mentioned that are either duties or services provided by local, state, county, or city government which is under more direct control of the local population. Many of those same things are also paid for, and their permissions for the taxes to pay for them, given (or not) by the local populace.</p><p>A universal health plan (at least the ones being considered) are all federal programs, the same kind of federal program as FEMA or Freddie Mac/Fannie May. Imagine how well FEMA did with water distribution in the 'Dome in the aftermath of Katrina, or at how well Fannie May/Freddie Mac were run.</p><p>These are the same type people, and in many cases would be some of the same people (think Congressmen &amp; high-level departmental bureaucrats) that would be in charge of designing and operating a universal health system.</p><p>It will simply be used as a way to drain even more money from the economy for the government to spend and expand it's power and reach, and also as another vector to exert control over the populace.</p><p>Strat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well , then everything would be great ! We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the governmentIf my house is on fire , the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the governmentLaw enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff 's department funded by the governmentI drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the governmentI was educated at public schools funded by the government ( just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens ) If you would rather not have any of those services , there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them .
But these are all different departments of government ; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system that has n't even been proposed is beyond me.First , I think you 're confusing terms here .
Some of those things you mention are mandated by the Constitution as * duties * of the * federal * government , and not " entitlements " .Next , there are the various things you mentioned that are either duties or services provided by local , state , county , or city government which is under more direct control of the local population .
Many of those same things are also paid for , and their permissions for the taxes to pay for them , given ( or not ) by the local populace.A universal health plan ( at least the ones being considered ) are all federal programs , the same kind of federal program as FEMA or Freddie Mac/Fannie May .
Imagine how well FEMA did with water distribution in the 'Dome in the aftermath of Katrina , or at how well Fannie May/Freddie Mac were run.These are the same type people , and in many cases would be some of the same people ( think Congressmen &amp; high-level departmental bureaucrats ) that would be in charge of designing and operating a universal health system.It will simply be used as a way to drain even more money from the economy for the government to spend and expand it 's power and reach , and also as another vector to exert control over the populace.Strat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the governmentIf my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the governmentLaw enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by the governmentI drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the governmentI was educated at public schools funded by the government(just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens) If you would rather not have any of those services, there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them.
But these are all different departments of government; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system that hasn't even been proposed is beyond me.First, I think you're confusing terms here.
Some of those things you mention are mandated by the Constitution as *duties* of the *federal* government, and not "entitlements".Next, there are the various things you mentioned that are either duties or services provided by local, state, county, or city government which is under more direct control of the local population.
Many of those same things are also paid for, and their permissions for the taxes to pay for them, given (or not) by the local populace.A universal health plan (at least the ones being considered) are all federal programs, the same kind of federal program as FEMA or Freddie Mac/Fannie May.
Imagine how well FEMA did with water distribution in the 'Dome in the aftermath of Katrina, or at how well Fannie May/Freddie Mac were run.These are the same type people, and in many cases would be some of the same people (think Congressmen &amp; high-level departmental bureaucrats) that would be in charge of designing and operating a universal health system.It will simply be used as a way to drain even more money from the economy for the government to spend and expand it's power and reach, and also as another vector to exert control over the populace.Strat</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667099</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667095</id>
	<title>RFID Shield company seems clueless</title>
	<author>daryl\_and\_daryl</author>
	<datestamp>1247411400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it interesting that the logo for rfid-shield contains the physical contact layout pattern for a smart card, and not a rfid device, which requires no contact.</p><p>This does not inspire trust in a technology company.</p><p>Who is the marketing genius that came up with this idea ??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it interesting that the logo for rfid-shield contains the physical contact layout pattern for a smart card , and not a rfid device , which requires no contact.This does not inspire trust in a technology company.Who is the marketing genius that came up with this idea ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it interesting that the logo for rfid-shield contains the physical contact layout pattern for a smart card, and not a rfid device, which requires no contact.This does not inspire trust in a technology company.Who is the marketing genius that came up with this idea ?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28673039</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Tuoqui</author>
	<datestamp>1247426280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OR... you could leave your passport at home inside a solid fireproof safe unless you're planning to cross a border.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OR... you could leave your passport at home inside a solid fireproof safe unless you 're planning to cross a border .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OR... you could leave your passport at home inside a solid fireproof safe unless you're planning to cross a border.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666965</id>
	<title>Mine is inside...</title>
	<author>Kindaian</author>
	<datestamp>1247409180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The anti-rfid wallet...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The anti-rfid wallet... ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The anti-rfid wallet... ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666777</id>
	<title>Re:Fighting the wrong battle</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1247405460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, fears will never come to pass until the technology doesn't exist. Then, you have the problem of new technologies replacing it and the fears associated with it with new ones. This keeps going until the fears happen. So, it's probably wise to have the fears and keep them from becoming than to do nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , fears will never come to pass until the technology does n't exist .
Then , you have the problem of new technologies replacing it and the fears associated with it with new ones .
This keeps going until the fears happen .
So , it 's probably wise to have the fears and keep them from becoming than to do nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, fears will never come to pass until the technology doesn't exist.
Then, you have the problem of new technologies replacing it and the fears associated with it with new ones.
This keeps going until the fears happen.
So, it's probably wise to have the fears and keep them from becoming than to do nothing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669687</id>
	<title>Re:Gosh...</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1247392440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought they should have got the blueray DRM team to do the security for passports too. 8)<br>Interesting how the systems/protections designed to stop you enjoying the freedom of Hollywoods data aren't applied to protecting the security of YOUR data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought they should have got the blueray DRM team to do the security for passports too .
8 ) Interesting how the systems/protections designed to stop you enjoying the freedom of Hollywoods data are n't applied to protecting the security of YOUR data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought they should have got the blueray DRM team to do the security for passports too.
8)Interesting how the systems/protections designed to stop you enjoying the freedom of Hollywoods data aren't applied to protecting the security of YOUR data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666703</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667999</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1247420280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you required to carry your passport with you even when you aren't crossing the border (including international travel at airports)? If not, wouldn't the tracking only show that you're always in your bedroom? And if so, I think that may be a somewhat bigger problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you required to carry your passport with you even when you are n't crossing the border ( including international travel at airports ) ?
If not , would n't the tracking only show that you 're always in your bedroom ?
And if so , I think that may be a somewhat bigger problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you required to carry your passport with you even when you aren't crossing the border (including international travel at airports)?
If not, wouldn't the tracking only show that you're always in your bedroom?
And if so, I think that may be a somewhat bigger problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666731</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668485</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247425260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>No, people shouldn't have to pay $20 for a way to make this technology safer. The government should improve their own shielding, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency\_identification#Security\_concerns" title="wikipedia.org">use more secure protocols</a> [wikipedia.org] for RFID transmission.</i></p><p>People should only be worried about safety from government.  And government shouldn't be using RFID nevermind IDs. It used to be that people in the US could cross the US Mexico border and the US Canadian border, which I've done a number of tymes, without needing a passport.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , people should n't have to pay $ 20 for a way to make this technology safer .
The government should improve their own shielding , and use more secure protocols [ wikipedia.org ] for RFID transmission.People should only be worried about safety from government .
And government should n't be using RFID nevermind IDs .
It used to be that people in the US could cross the US Mexico border and the US Canadian border , which I 've done a number of tymes , without needing a passport .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, people shouldn't have to pay $20 for a way to make this technology safer.
The government should improve their own shielding, and use more secure protocols [wikipedia.org] for RFID transmission.People should only be worried about safety from government.
And government shouldn't be using RFID nevermind IDs.
It used to be that people in the US could cross the US Mexico border and the US Canadian border, which I've done a number of tymes, without needing a passport.
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666767</id>
	<title>Surveillance could be the least of our worries...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247405400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread <b>surveillance</b> of individuals"</p></div></blockquote><p>Worse still, if it can be read once, it could be read twice, for instance to trigger their assassination e.g. with a bomb that would identify its targets based on the RFID (of the passport or <a href="http://www.spychips.com/" title="spychips.com" rel="nofollow">any other of their belongings</a> [spychips.com]).</p><p>Moreover, remote-readable IDs could make it easier e.g. for kidnappers to single out the most promising victims from a crowd.<br>What obstacle would stop determined attackers from getting their hands on this kind of technology? Bigger and more thoroughly guarded things than simple hand-held radio tag scanners are probably being stolen from airports every day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow " widespread surveillance of individuals " Worse still , if it can be read once , it could be read twice , for instance to trigger their assassination e.g .
with a bomb that would identify its targets based on the RFID ( of the passport or any other of their belongings [ spychips.com ] ) .Moreover , remote-readable IDs could make it easier e.g .
for kidnappers to single out the most promising victims from a crowd.What obstacle would stop determined attackers from getting their hands on this kind of technology ?
Bigger and more thoroughly guarded things than simple hand-held radio tag scanners are probably being stolen from airports every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals"Worse still, if it can be read once, it could be read twice, for instance to trigger their assassination e.g.
with a bomb that would identify its targets based on the RFID (of the passport or any other of their belongings [spychips.com]).Moreover, remote-readable IDs could make it easier e.g.
for kidnappers to single out the most promising victims from a crowd.What obstacle would stop determined attackers from getting their hands on this kind of technology?
Bigger and more thoroughly guarded things than simple hand-held radio tag scanners are probably being stolen from airports every day.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667975</id>
	<title>Anti X-Ray Film Bags?</title>
	<author>RotateLeftByte</author>
	<datestamp>1247420100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As they are designed to stop Electomagnetic Radiation coming in then I would guess that they could ork to stop the RFID responses from getting out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As they are designed to stop Electomagnetic Radiation coming in then I would guess that they could ork to stop the RFID responses from getting out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As they are designed to stop Electomagnetic Radiation coming in then I would guess that they could ork to stop the RFID responses from getting out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667095</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667193</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247412900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm Canadian and went to renew my passport on Friday.  My existing passport was still valid for a couple more weeks, but the woman across the desk thought it was expired as her machine didn't read it.  She told me this, and I explained to her with a straight face that maybe that was because I'd microwaved my passport (I hadn't really).
<br> <br>
She didn't get the joke, which was just as well I suppose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm Canadian and went to renew my passport on Friday .
My existing passport was still valid for a couple more weeks , but the woman across the desk thought it was expired as her machine did n't read it .
She told me this , and I explained to her with a straight face that maybe that was because I 'd microwaved my passport ( I had n't really ) .
She did n't get the joke , which was just as well I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm Canadian and went to renew my passport on Friday.
My existing passport was still valid for a couple more weeks, but the woman across the desk thought it was expired as her machine didn't read it.
She told me this, and I explained to her with a straight face that maybe that was because I'd microwaved my passport (I hadn't really).
She didn't get the joke, which was just as well I suppose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666795</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28672915</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247424540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>RFID + Currency = White Money</htmltext>
<tokenext>RFID + Currency = White Money</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RFID + Currency = White Money</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666883</id>
	<title>Passport RFID borders on criminal negligence IMHO</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1247408040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot imagine that even a SINGLE conversation with someone mildly conversant in basic security, no, just having common sense, would not have indicated that uncontrolled ID reading from a distance was a VERY VERY bad idea.  It suggests to me that such a conversation was either not had, someone has a LOT of shares in RFID manufacturing or there is something else behind this rush to promote even more ID theft.</p><p>You can read ID from a distance which means it's now possible to create hidden bombs that lie dormant until there are enough people of a certain nationality nearby, it's possible to clone an identity and I suspect it won't be long before you can edit the biometric, making the theft of your LIFE complete because of "the 'pjuter is always rite" syndrome.</p><p>In the process other associated idiots are building up databases which are unnecessary (it works prefectly without) and which are a reversal of approach - normally your identity is only collected AFTER you have committed a crime, not BEFORE.  You're now guilty until you prove it wasn't you who left a cloned identity behind.  All of that without you noticing someone has been near to your passport, you no longer have control over who sees the data.  Hello girls, welcome to stalking v2.</p><p>Actually, if you want political emotional scare stories, as the EU has now made one passport per person mandatory, it's also "Hello kids, welcome to 'brief your local paedophile'".</p><p>It would be really good if the clowns who dream up such stuff would be the first to suffer the consequences, all of them.  Because I don't think they will learn otherwise - this is causing risk, not fixing identity issues.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/rant</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not imagine that even a SINGLE conversation with someone mildly conversant in basic security , no , just having common sense , would not have indicated that uncontrolled ID reading from a distance was a VERY VERY bad idea .
It suggests to me that such a conversation was either not had , someone has a LOT of shares in RFID manufacturing or there is something else behind this rush to promote even more ID theft.You can read ID from a distance which means it 's now possible to create hidden bombs that lie dormant until there are enough people of a certain nationality nearby , it 's possible to clone an identity and I suspect it wo n't be long before you can edit the biometric , making the theft of your LIFE complete because of " the 'pjuter is always rite " syndrome.In the process other associated idiots are building up databases which are unnecessary ( it works prefectly without ) and which are a reversal of approach - normally your identity is only collected AFTER you have committed a crime , not BEFORE .
You 're now guilty until you prove it was n't you who left a cloned identity behind .
All of that without you noticing someone has been near to your passport , you no longer have control over who sees the data .
Hello girls , welcome to stalking v2.Actually , if you want political emotional scare stories , as the EU has now made one passport per person mandatory , it 's also " Hello kids , welcome to 'brief your local paedophile ' " .It would be really good if the clowns who dream up such stuff would be the first to suffer the consequences , all of them .
Because I do n't think they will learn otherwise - this is causing risk , not fixing identity issues .
/rant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot imagine that even a SINGLE conversation with someone mildly conversant in basic security, no, just having common sense, would not have indicated that uncontrolled ID reading from a distance was a VERY VERY bad idea.
It suggests to me that such a conversation was either not had, someone has a LOT of shares in RFID manufacturing or there is something else behind this rush to promote even more ID theft.You can read ID from a distance which means it's now possible to create hidden bombs that lie dormant until there are enough people of a certain nationality nearby, it's possible to clone an identity and I suspect it won't be long before you can edit the biometric, making the theft of your LIFE complete because of "the 'pjuter is always rite" syndrome.In the process other associated idiots are building up databases which are unnecessary (it works prefectly without) and which are a reversal of approach - normally your identity is only collected AFTER you have committed a crime, not BEFORE.
You're now guilty until you prove it wasn't you who left a cloned identity behind.
All of that without you noticing someone has been near to your passport, you no longer have control over who sees the data.
Hello girls, welcome to stalking v2.Actually, if you want political emotional scare stories, as the EU has now made one passport per person mandatory, it's also "Hello kids, welcome to 'brief your local paedophile'".It would be really good if the clowns who dream up such stuff would be the first to suffer the consequences, all of them.
Because I don't think they will learn otherwise - this is causing risk, not fixing identity issues.
/rant</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669593</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>MisterSchmoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247391840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're absolutely right they don't have to pay $20 to make this technology safer, I think you'll fine a 2c rubber band around the passport will achieve the same thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're absolutely right they do n't have to pay $ 20 to make this technology safer , I think you 'll fine a 2c rubber band around the passport will achieve the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're absolutely right they don't have to pay $20 to make this technology safer, I think you'll fine a 2c rubber band around the passport will achieve the same thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28670431</id>
	<title>Re:These aren't passports</title>
	<author>Solandri</author>
	<datestamp>1247398380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I got my new <a href="http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted\_traveler/nexus\_prog/" title="cbp.gov">Nexus card</a> [cbp.gov] it came with a foil case (looks like fairly thick copper foil) and documentation explaining the case is a security measure to prevent ID theft by remote reading of the RFID tag in the card.  I've waved it in front of the Nexus readers with and without the case, and it works (at least on those readers).  It's actually pretty handy as it's barely bigger than the card, adds almost no thickness, and prevents the card from getting all scratched up like my credit cards.
<br> <br>
Do the passport cards not come with these foil sheaths?  Or is this just a matter of people ignoring instructions and not using the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I got my new Nexus card [ cbp.gov ] it came with a foil case ( looks like fairly thick copper foil ) and documentation explaining the case is a security measure to prevent ID theft by remote reading of the RFID tag in the card .
I 've waved it in front of the Nexus readers with and without the case , and it works ( at least on those readers ) .
It 's actually pretty handy as it 's barely bigger than the card , adds almost no thickness , and prevents the card from getting all scratched up like my credit cards .
Do the passport cards not come with these foil sheaths ?
Or is this just a matter of people ignoring instructions and not using the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I got my new Nexus card [cbp.gov] it came with a foil case (looks like fairly thick copper foil) and documentation explaining the case is a security measure to prevent ID theft by remote reading of the RFID tag in the card.
I've waved it in front of the Nexus readers with and without the case, and it works (at least on those readers).
It's actually pretty handy as it's barely bigger than the card, adds almost no thickness, and prevents the card from getting all scratched up like my credit cards.
Do the passport cards not come with these foil sheaths?
Or is this just a matter of people ignoring instructions and not using the case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668015</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669741</id>
	<title>Re:Passport RFID borders on criminal negligence IM</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247392860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote about RFID landmines <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1115609&amp;cid=26726619" title="slashdot.org">here</a> [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, about five years ago.</p><p>It's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem.  And it's cheap:  I don't know what RFID standard passports are using, but various readers on Ebay don't seem to creep much above the $50 mark.  Add a microcontroller and some code (which, of course, can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations), along with a little supporting hardware, and you've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than, say, $200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person.</p><p>That $200 isn't much money at all, even for a third-world organization, for an attack which is nearly guaranteed to kill one or more civilians of any country which institutes standardized RFID identification.  And the best part is, they get to pick and choose which country is the enemy this week when deploying the things.</p><p>I, for one, am not very happy about this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote about RFID landmines here [ slashdot.org ] on Slashdot , about five years ago.It 's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem .
And it 's cheap : I do n't know what RFID standard passports are using , but various readers on Ebay do n't seem to creep much above the $ 50 mark .
Add a microcontroller and some code ( which , of course , can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations ) , along with a little supporting hardware , and you 've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than , say , $ 200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person.That $ 200 is n't much money at all , even for a third-world organization , for an attack which is nearly guaranteed to kill one or more civilians of any country which institutes standardized RFID identification .
And the best part is , they get to pick and choose which country is the enemy this week when deploying the things.I , for one , am not very happy about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote about RFID landmines here [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, about five years ago.It's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem.
And it's cheap:  I don't know what RFID standard passports are using, but various readers on Ebay don't seem to creep much above the $50 mark.
Add a microcontroller and some code (which, of course, can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations), along with a little supporting hardware, and you've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than, say, $200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person.That $200 isn't much money at all, even for a third-world organization, for an attack which is nearly guaranteed to kill one or more civilians of any country which institutes standardized RFID identification.
And the best part is, they get to pick and choose which country is the enemy this week when deploying the things.I, for one, am not very happy about this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668309</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>HiThere</author>
	<datestamp>1247423520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In many countries, yes, you are required to carry your passport.  The US may be one of those countries.  (N.B.:  Just because you can substitute some other form of ID, e.g. driver's license, doesn't mean that a non-resident can do the same.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In many countries , yes , you are required to carry your passport .
The US may be one of those countries .
( N.B. : Just because you can substitute some other form of ID , e.g .
driver 's license , does n't mean that a non-resident can do the same .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many countries, yes, you are required to carry your passport.
The US may be one of those countries.
(N.B.:  Just because you can substitute some other form of ID, e.g.
driver's license, doesn't mean that a non-resident can do the same.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667999</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668609</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1247426400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Or how about just not using RFID at all?</i> <br> <br>Especially given that where passports are typically used it's important to ensure that you are reading the right passport and using RFIDs are vulnerable to a fairly simple denial of service attack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or how about just not using RFID at all ?
Especially given that where passports are typically used it 's important to ensure that you are reading the right passport and using RFIDs are vulnerable to a fairly simple denial of service attack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or how about just not using RFID at all?
Especially given that where passports are typically used it's important to ensure that you are reading the right passport and using RFIDs are vulnerable to a fairly simple denial of service attack.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668181</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667859</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>kamapuaa</author>
	<datestamp>1247418720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's even stranger that Slashdot has a totally different idea of the meaning of "cruising Fisherman's Wharf" than I do.  My version has more sailors involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's even stranger that Slashdot has a totally different idea of the meaning of " cruising Fisherman 's Wharf " than I do .
My version has more sailors involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's even stranger that Slashdot has a totally different idea of the meaning of "cruising Fisherman's Wharf" than I do.
My version has more sailors involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666739</id>
	<title>Cruising for what????</title>
	<author>iMac Were</author>
	<datestamp>1247404920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I cruise around the docks I'm looking for something that has 69 in it, but I'm not interested in passport numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I cruise around the docks I 'm looking for something that has 69 in it , but I 'm not interested in passport numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I cruise around the docks I'm looking for something that has 69 in it, but I'm not interested in passport numbers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667947</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>MasterNetHead</author>
	<datestamp>1247419800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of us carry driver's licenses around 24/7 already. Its not too much of a stretch to imagine being required to carry your passport too, but even more likely is having RFIDs added to our driver's licenses.

Not that I'm a conspiracy nut or anything, this just stinks of precedent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of us carry driver 's licenses around 24/7 already .
Its not too much of a stretch to imagine being required to carry your passport too , but even more likely is having RFIDs added to our driver 's licenses .
Not that I 'm a conspiracy nut or anything , this just stinks of precedent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of us carry driver's licenses around 24/7 already.
Its not too much of a stretch to imagine being required to carry your passport too, but even more likely is having RFIDs added to our driver's licenses.
Not that I'm a conspiracy nut or anything, this just stinks of precedent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28670145</id>
	<title>Metallized Shielding Bags</title>
	<author>process</author>
	<datestamp>1247395680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Metallized shielding bags, the ones computer components often are delivered in.</p><p>You ought to have some lying around, right?</p><p>Note that not all anti-static bags are shielded, but usually the ones for RAM and HD have a metal film that effectively creates a faraday cage.</p><p>They're the shiny ones.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>I learned this when working with RFID used for registering cars passing at tollbooths, the chips and their containers needed to be shielded for transportation to a POS that was on the other side of a tollbooth.</p><p>Better for sticking your passport in, less practical for hats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Metallized shielding bags , the ones computer components often are delivered in.You ought to have some lying around , right ? Note that not all anti-static bags are shielded , but usually the ones for RAM and HD have a metal film that effectively creates a faraday cage.They 're the shiny ones .
; ) I learned this when working with RFID used for registering cars passing at tollbooths , the chips and their containers needed to be shielded for transportation to a POS that was on the other side of a tollbooth.Better for sticking your passport in , less practical for hats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Metallized shielding bags, the ones computer components often are delivered in.You ought to have some lying around, right?Note that not all anti-static bags are shielded, but usually the ones for RAM and HD have a metal film that effectively creates a faraday cage.They're the shiny ones.
;)I learned this when working with RFID used for registering cars passing at tollbooths, the chips and their containers needed to be shielded for transportation to a POS that was on the other side of a tollbooth.Better for sticking your passport in, less practical for hats.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667421</id>
	<title>Removal/blocking</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1247415180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I need to get a passport soon, but this issue kind of concerns me - people who think those of us who are concerned are being overly paranoid just don't get it - just because there isn't anything disturbing happening with these things right now at this moment (that we know of) doesn't mean that we know things will remain copacetic in the future...Once the apparatus for widespread monitoring/tracking is in place, it's in place - it isn't a good or a bad thing, it's a tool that can be used in either manner.</p><p>I have heard about RFID shields, but have heard various concerns about their effectiveness.</p><p>I am wondering how these passports are actually constructed. Could the tag be removed when you don't want it there and re-inserted when you need it there?</p><p>Then again, some people may feel it's stupid to worry about such a thing when you carry a cell phone that has a GPS chip in it, and there may be some truth to that; only, my cell phone can be turned off and doesn't come directly from a government and it's not mandated that I carry it for identification when I travel internationally..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I need to get a passport soon , but this issue kind of concerns me - people who think those of us who are concerned are being overly paranoid just do n't get it - just because there is n't anything disturbing happening with these things right now at this moment ( that we know of ) does n't mean that we know things will remain copacetic in the future...Once the apparatus for widespread monitoring/tracking is in place , it 's in place - it is n't a good or a bad thing , it 's a tool that can be used in either manner.I have heard about RFID shields , but have heard various concerns about their effectiveness.I am wondering how these passports are actually constructed .
Could the tag be removed when you do n't want it there and re-inserted when you need it there ? Then again , some people may feel it 's stupid to worry about such a thing when you carry a cell phone that has a GPS chip in it , and there may be some truth to that ; only , my cell phone can be turned off and does n't come directly from a government and it 's not mandated that I carry it for identification when I travel internationally. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I need to get a passport soon, but this issue kind of concerns me - people who think those of us who are concerned are being overly paranoid just don't get it - just because there isn't anything disturbing happening with these things right now at this moment (that we know of) doesn't mean that we know things will remain copacetic in the future...Once the apparatus for widespread monitoring/tracking is in place, it's in place - it isn't a good or a bad thing, it's a tool that can be used in either manner.I have heard about RFID shields, but have heard various concerns about their effectiveness.I am wondering how these passports are actually constructed.
Could the tag be removed when you don't want it there and re-inserted when you need it there?Then again, some people may feel it's stupid to worry about such a thing when you carry a cell phone that has a GPS chip in it, and there may be some truth to that; only, my cell phone can be turned off and doesn't come directly from a government and it's not mandated that I carry it for identification when I travel internationally..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28681957</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>tsa</author>
	<datestamp>1247476800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on, that's ridiculous. You can blame Anerica for a lot of things, but not this. Blame our own politicians (I'm Dutch too) who try to solve every problem with more suppression and threats of severe punishments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on , that 's ridiculous .
You can blame Anerica for a lot of things , but not this .
Blame our own politicians ( I 'm Dutch too ) who try to solve every problem with more suppression and threats of severe punishments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, that's ridiculous.
You can blame Anerica for a lot of things, but not this.
Blame our own politicians (I'm Dutch too) who try to solve every problem with more suppression and threats of severe punishments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669151</id>
	<title>Re:Gosh...</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1247431020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who said anything about being "in charge of [your] healthcare"?  The government is simply going to provide another insurance option.  So if you don't trust them, you're free to use a private insurance provider.  It's entirely up to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who said anything about being " in charge of [ your ] healthcare " ?
The government is simply going to provide another insurance option .
So if you do n't trust them , you 're free to use a private insurance provider .
It 's entirely up to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who said anything about being "in charge of [your] healthcare"?
The government is simply going to provide another insurance option.
So if you don't trust them, you're free to use a private insurance provider.
It's entirely up to you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668747</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1247427780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?</p></div><p>Why does it have to be domestically? The person in TFA lived in the U.S., so he tried his experiment in a convenient local tourist area. But if they can read your passport from 20 feet away in San Francisco, they can do the same in Beijing, Moscow, or Caracas, too. And nobody has tried to read a passport that's locked inside a typical hotel safe yet, either -- what if that were possible?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically ? Why does it have to be domestically ?
The person in TFA lived in the U.S. , so he tried his experiment in a convenient local tourist area .
But if they can read your passport from 20 feet away in San Francisco , they can do the same in Beijing , Moscow , or Caracas , too .
And nobody has tried to read a passport that 's locked inside a typical hotel safe yet , either -- what if that were possible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?Why does it have to be domestically?
The person in TFA lived in the U.S., so he tried his experiment in a convenient local tourist area.
But if they can read your passport from 20 feet away in San Francisco, they can do the same in Beijing, Moscow, or Caracas, too.
And nobody has tried to read a passport that's locked inside a typical hotel safe yet, either -- what if that were possible?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669461</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>paimin</author>
	<datestamp>1247390700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried to watch the vid, but that dude's lips freak me out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to watch the vid , but that dude 's lips freak me out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to watch the vid, but that dude's lips freak me out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667415</id>
	<title>Okay..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247415120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It says it grabbed the "Serial number" - not all the passport information.<br>Is the serial number even the same thing as the passport number, or is it just the serial number of the RFID chip?</p><p>Is that even necessarily a passport? Could it be something else using similar RFID technology they picked up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It says it grabbed the " Serial number " - not all the passport information.Is the serial number even the same thing as the passport number , or is it just the serial number of the RFID chip ? Is that even necessarily a passport ?
Could it be something else using similar RFID technology they picked up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It says it grabbed the "Serial number" - not all the passport information.Is the serial number even the same thing as the passport number, or is it just the serial number of the RFID chip?Is that even necessarily a passport?
Could it be something else using similar RFID technology they picked up?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28671465</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1247408280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They are meant to be used to track people."</p><p>To be honest I'm not really sure why they would really bother with arphids to track people.  The way its going everyone is carrying cell phones and those are a lot easier to track and track remotely than arphids and people carry them all the time without even thinking about which isn't true for passports.  arphids might be a bit easier for close proximity identification, but it doesn't seem very reliable to me.</p><p>Cory Doctorow's Create Commons book <a href="http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/" title="craphound.com">Little Brother</a> [craphound.com] is a not so fictional account of assorted abuses by the Department of Homeland Security.  DHS tracking people with arphids in BART passes and toll passes in cars is one of the plot lines.  It won this years Prometheus award(Libertarian Sci/Fi).  Its not exactly a work of great literature. He ripped it out in a relatively short period of time and it could have used more work. But its kind of an entertaining read for geeks and a reminder how out of control the American government has been since 9/11. The book is also FREE.  The ideas of XNet and Paranoid Linux are priceless. Adhoc WiFi may be the only way to have a free Internet where Big Brother isn't watching your every move.</p><p>One does have to wonder why the NSA is building giant new data centers in San Antonia and Utah and expanding the existing one in Maryland.  They seem to be ramping up to eavesdrop on a LOT more of something.  I'm also wondering what this secret program Cheney was running in the CIA was all about since it appears it wasn't the torture or the already leaked NSA domestic spying program.   If you think the Democrats and Obama wont be just as bad about trampling our civil liberties as Bush/Cheney you are very naive.</p><p>Will computers liberate us or enslave us.  Paradoxically, probably both at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They are meant to be used to track people .
" To be honest I 'm not really sure why they would really bother with arphids to track people .
The way its going everyone is carrying cell phones and those are a lot easier to track and track remotely than arphids and people carry them all the time without even thinking about which is n't true for passports .
arphids might be a bit easier for close proximity identification , but it does n't seem very reliable to me.Cory Doctorow 's Create Commons book Little Brother [ craphound.com ] is a not so fictional account of assorted abuses by the Department of Homeland Security .
DHS tracking people with arphids in BART passes and toll passes in cars is one of the plot lines .
It won this years Prometheus award ( Libertarian Sci/Fi ) .
Its not exactly a work of great literature .
He ripped it out in a relatively short period of time and it could have used more work .
But its kind of an entertaining read for geeks and a reminder how out of control the American government has been since 9/11 .
The book is also FREE .
The ideas of XNet and Paranoid Linux are priceless .
Adhoc WiFi may be the only way to have a free Internet where Big Brother is n't watching your every move.One does have to wonder why the NSA is building giant new data centers in San Antonia and Utah and expanding the existing one in Maryland .
They seem to be ramping up to eavesdrop on a LOT more of something .
I 'm also wondering what this secret program Cheney was running in the CIA was all about since it appears it was n't the torture or the already leaked NSA domestic spying program .
If you think the Democrats and Obama wont be just as bad about trampling our civil liberties as Bush/Cheney you are very naive.Will computers liberate us or enslave us .
Paradoxically , probably both at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They are meant to be used to track people.
"To be honest I'm not really sure why they would really bother with arphids to track people.
The way its going everyone is carrying cell phones and those are a lot easier to track and track remotely than arphids and people carry them all the time without even thinking about which isn't true for passports.
arphids might be a bit easier for close proximity identification, but it doesn't seem very reliable to me.Cory Doctorow's Create Commons book Little Brother [craphound.com] is a not so fictional account of assorted abuses by the Department of Homeland Security.
DHS tracking people with arphids in BART passes and toll passes in cars is one of the plot lines.
It won this years Prometheus award(Libertarian Sci/Fi).
Its not exactly a work of great literature.
He ripped it out in a relatively short period of time and it could have used more work.
But its kind of an entertaining read for geeks and a reminder how out of control the American government has been since 9/11.
The book is also FREE.
The ideas of XNet and Paranoid Linux are priceless.
Adhoc WiFi may be the only way to have a free Internet where Big Brother isn't watching your every move.One does have to wonder why the NSA is building giant new data centers in San Antonia and Utah and expanding the existing one in Maryland.
They seem to be ramping up to eavesdrop on a LOT more of something.
I'm also wondering what this secret program Cheney was running in the CIA was all about since it appears it wasn't the torture or the already leaked NSA domestic spying program.
If you think the Democrats and Obama wont be just as bad about trampling our civil liberties as Bush/Cheney you are very naive.Will computers liberate us or enslave us.
Paradoxically, probably both at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668015</id>
	<title>These aren't passports</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247420400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to clarify, these are passport cards which are a hard plastic card that can only be used to travel between Canada the US and Mexico. The "Real" passports also have an rfid in them but they have a faraday cage built into the cover so they can only be picked up when opened.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to clarify , these are passport cards which are a hard plastic card that can only be used to travel between Canada the US and Mexico .
The " Real " passports also have an rfid in them but they have a faraday cage built into the cover so they can only be picked up when opened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to clarify, these are passport cards which are a hard plastic card that can only be used to travel between Canada the US and Mexico.
The "Real" passports also have an rfid in them but they have a faraday cage built into the cover so they can only be picked up when opened.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666719</id>
	<title>Legislators have no idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politicians have zero education, training in IT, they will buy into ideas pitched by lobbyists in order to secure rich government contracts for certain businesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians have zero education , training in IT , they will buy into ideas pitched by lobbyists in order to secure rich government contracts for certain businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians have zero education, training in IT, they will buy into ideas pitched by lobbyists in order to secure rich government contracts for certain businesses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667145</id>
	<title>Here, let me fix that for you</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1247412360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID <i> <b>because</b> </i> its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.</p></div><p>Fixed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID because its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow " widespread surveillance of individuals " without their knowledge or consent.Fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID  because  its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.Fixed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28671419</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247407860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe your country's real problem is people like you who are unwilling to take responsibility for what your own government does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe your country 's real problem is people like you who are unwilling to take responsibility for what your own government does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe your country's real problem is people like you who are unwilling to take responsibility for what your own government does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667703</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1247417580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You just need to buy an RFID shield for your passport and you can put your mind at ease. Unless, of course, you want to worry about how they don't work.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Thanks for the interesting links!
</p><p>
As others have noted, your analysis isn't quite correct. For those who don't want to watch the whole video in your second link, here's a summary of what it says. It demonstrates a security vulnerability. The vulnerability does not involve theft of data, because there's encryption built into the passport. What it demonstrates is that if you leave your passport open by half an inch, the built-in shielding doesn't work as well, with the result that from a range of 6 inches, it's possible to detect the fact that the passport is there, and that it's a US passport rather than some other country's. (Actually they didn't really demonstrate selectivity by nationality, but they claim it's possible.) They say this exposes US tourists in foreign countries to a risk of violence targeted specifically against Americans. They demonstrate the risk by hanging a dummy from a clothesline, with a passport attached to the dummy, open half an inch. They pull it along the clothesline past an explosive device with a detector, which explodes when the passport comes within 6 inches of the detector. They also demonstrate an improved shielding system they devised, which prevents detection even when the passport is open half an inch.
</p><p>
Your first link is a company that sells Faraday-cage wallets for $20.
</p><p>
So my analysis would be as follows:
</p><ol>
<li> I'm sure the Faraday-cage wallets work fine, because they're based on solid physical principles. However, $20 is kind of a lot of money to pay for what is essentially 10 cents worth of aluminum foil.</li>
<li> In the case of a US passport, the Faraday-cage wallet isn't necessary. You're better off just getting a binder clip to hold your passport shut, so that it won't accidentally open by half an inch while it's on your person.</li>
<li> The binder clip should be cheap and 100\% effective protection against the farfetched threat in the video. But the threat in the video <i>is</i> farfetched, because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists. Like they speak English. And they dress like Americans. And they carry cameras. And some of them follow tour guides who explain, loudly, in English, the local sightseeing attractions.</li>
<li> There are other things you might be carrying around that could have RFID, e.g., credit cards, cafeteria debit cards, or employee ID cards. A Faraday cage of some type might be a useful thing to protect these, but I'd need a lot more analysis to know whether the effort was worth it. How do I know which items in my wallet do have RFID built in? Are they encrypted? What are the possible exploits for each item?</li>
</ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just need to buy an RFID shield for your passport and you can put your mind at ease .
Unless , of course , you want to worry about how they do n't work .
Thanks for the interesting links !
As others have noted , your analysis is n't quite correct .
For those who do n't want to watch the whole video in your second link , here 's a summary of what it says .
It demonstrates a security vulnerability .
The vulnerability does not involve theft of data , because there 's encryption built into the passport .
What it demonstrates is that if you leave your passport open by half an inch , the built-in shielding does n't work as well , with the result that from a range of 6 inches , it 's possible to detect the fact that the passport is there , and that it 's a US passport rather than some other country 's .
( Actually they did n't really demonstrate selectivity by nationality , but they claim it 's possible .
) They say this exposes US tourists in foreign countries to a risk of violence targeted specifically against Americans .
They demonstrate the risk by hanging a dummy from a clothesline , with a passport attached to the dummy , open half an inch .
They pull it along the clothesline past an explosive device with a detector , which explodes when the passport comes within 6 inches of the detector .
They also demonstrate an improved shielding system they devised , which prevents detection even when the passport is open half an inch .
Your first link is a company that sells Faraday-cage wallets for $ 20 .
So my analysis would be as follows : I 'm sure the Faraday-cage wallets work fine , because they 're based on solid physical principles .
However , $ 20 is kind of a lot of money to pay for what is essentially 10 cents worth of aluminum foil .
In the case of a US passport , the Faraday-cage wallet is n't necessary .
You 're better off just getting a binder clip to hold your passport shut , so that it wo n't accidentally open by half an inch while it 's on your person .
The binder clip should be cheap and 100 \ % effective protection against the farfetched threat in the video .
But the threat in the video is farfetched , because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists .
Like they speak English .
And they dress like Americans .
And they carry cameras .
And some of them follow tour guides who explain , loudly , in English , the local sightseeing attractions .
There are other things you might be carrying around that could have RFID , e.g. , credit cards , cafeteria debit cards , or employee ID cards .
A Faraday cage of some type might be a useful thing to protect these , but I 'd need a lot more analysis to know whether the effort was worth it .
How do I know which items in my wallet do have RFID built in ?
Are they encrypted ?
What are the possible exploits for each item ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just need to buy an RFID shield for your passport and you can put your mind at ease.
Unless, of course, you want to worry about how they don't work.
Thanks for the interesting links!
As others have noted, your analysis isn't quite correct.
For those who don't want to watch the whole video in your second link, here's a summary of what it says.
It demonstrates a security vulnerability.
The vulnerability does not involve theft of data, because there's encryption built into the passport.
What it demonstrates is that if you leave your passport open by half an inch, the built-in shielding doesn't work as well, with the result that from a range of 6 inches, it's possible to detect the fact that the passport is there, and that it's a US passport rather than some other country's.
(Actually they didn't really demonstrate selectivity by nationality, but they claim it's possible.
) They say this exposes US tourists in foreign countries to a risk of violence targeted specifically against Americans.
They demonstrate the risk by hanging a dummy from a clothesline, with a passport attached to the dummy, open half an inch.
They pull it along the clothesline past an explosive device with a detector, which explodes when the passport comes within 6 inches of the detector.
They also demonstrate an improved shielding system they devised, which prevents detection even when the passport is open half an inch.
Your first link is a company that sells Faraday-cage wallets for $20.
So my analysis would be as follows:

 I'm sure the Faraday-cage wallets work fine, because they're based on solid physical principles.
However, $20 is kind of a lot of money to pay for what is essentially 10 cents worth of aluminum foil.
In the case of a US passport, the Faraday-cage wallet isn't necessary.
You're better off just getting a binder clip to hold your passport shut, so that it won't accidentally open by half an inch while it's on your person.
The binder clip should be cheap and 100\% effective protection against the farfetched threat in the video.
But the threat in the video is farfetched, because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists.
Like they speak English.
And they dress like Americans.
And they carry cameras.
And some of them follow tour guides who explain, loudly, in English, the local sightseeing attractions.
There are other things you might be carrying around that could have RFID, e.g., credit cards, cafeteria debit cards, or employee ID cards.
A Faraday cage of some type might be a useful thing to protect these, but I'd need a lot more analysis to know whether the effort was worth it.
How do I know which items in my wallet do have RFID built in?
Are they encrypted?
What are the possible exploits for each item?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666911</id>
	<title>So what does work?</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1247408580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If these RFID shields don't work, does anyone know something that does?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If these RFID shields do n't work , does anyone know something that does ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If these RFID shields don't work, does anyone know something that does?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668989</id>
	<title>Re:hmmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247429580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by <b>the government </b> </i></p><p>That is one of the few purposes of the federal government.</p><p><i>If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government<br>
Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by the government<br>
I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government<br>
I was educated at public schools funded by the government</i> </p><p>Yea, by local and state governments.  Property tax pays, or should pay, for primary and secondary education, fire protection, and law enforcement.  Road building and maintenance should be paid for with tax on miles driven.</p><p><i>But these are all different departments of government</i></p><p>Almost all of which are not authorized by the <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html" title="usconstitution.net">Constitution of the USA</a> [usconstitution.net].  The Constitution is not a list of things the government must do but is a limit on what it can do.  If it does not authorize something the federal government can not do it.  The <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am10" title="usconstitution.net">10th Amendment - Powers of the States and People</a> [usconstitution.net] even states that, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the government That is one of the few purposes of the federal government.If my house is on fire , the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff 's department funded by the government I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government I was educated at public schools funded by the government Yea , by local and state governments .
Property tax pays , or should pay , for primary and secondary education , fire protection , and law enforcement .
Road building and maintenance should be paid for with tax on miles driven.But these are all different departments of governmentAlmost all of which are not authorized by the Constitution of the USA [ usconstitution.net ] .
The Constitution is not a list of things the government must do but is a limit on what it can do .
If it does not authorize something the federal government can not do it .
The 10th Amendment - Powers of the States and People [ usconstitution.net ] even states that , " The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution , nor prohibited by it to the States , are reserved to the States respectively , or to the people .
" Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the government  That is one of the few purposes of the federal government.If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government
Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by the government
I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government
I was educated at public schools funded by the government Yea, by local and state governments.
Property tax pays, or should pay, for primary and secondary education, fire protection, and law enforcement.
Road building and maintenance should be paid for with tax on miles driven.But these are all different departments of governmentAlmost all of which are not authorized by the Constitution of the USA [usconstitution.net].
The Constitution is not a list of things the government must do but is a limit on what it can do.
If it does not authorize something the federal government can not do it.
The 10th Amendment - Powers of the States and People [usconstitution.net] even states that, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
"

Falcon</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668027</id>
	<title>Re:So what does work?</title>
	<author>smaddox</author>
	<datestamp>1247420520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aluminum foil, and enough to be sure.<br>.<br>(Why does firefox's spellcheck only have the British spelling of 'aluminium'?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aluminum foil , and enough to be sure.. ( Why does firefox 's spellcheck only have the British spelling of 'aluminium ' ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aluminum foil, and enough to be sure..(Why does firefox's spellcheck only have the British spelling of 'aluminium'?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667081</id>
	<title>I wonder..</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1247411160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If these were passports or passport cards ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Most people here don't carry their passport around with them all the time.. However those new cheapo passport cards (for Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda) are much smaller and more portable and I can see people keeping them in their wallet.</p><p>I realize that both are vulnerable.. Sadly I have to get a passport renewal in 2010, and not looking forward to having a chipped one. I'll be getting the full one again (can see the point in limiting travel possibilities)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I wonder what percentage of passports are the cheaper one ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If these were passports or passport cards ?
.. Most people here do n't carry their passport around with them all the time.. However those new cheapo passport cards ( for Canada , Mexico , the Caribbean , and Bermuda ) are much smaller and more portable and I can see people keeping them in their wallet.I realize that both are vulnerable.. Sadly I have to get a passport renewal in 2010 , and not looking forward to having a chipped one .
I 'll be getting the full one again ( can see the point in limiting travel possibilities ) .. I wonder what percentage of passports are the cheaper one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If these were passports or passport cards ?
.. Most people here don't carry their passport around with them all the time.. However those new cheapo passport cards (for Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda) are much smaller and more portable and I can see people keeping them in their wallet.I realize that both are vulnerable.. Sadly I have to get a passport renewal in 2010, and not looking forward to having a chipped one.
I'll be getting the full one again (can see the point in limiting travel possibilities) .. I wonder what percentage of passports are the cheaper one ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28672907</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247424360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, America is clearly to blame for the actions of your govt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , America is clearly to blame for the actions of your govt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, America is clearly to blame for the actions of your govt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666867</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247407560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could be that the defective design is a feature - a calculated one that the good guys will get a greater advantage than the bad guys. Such as demanding a passport when there is a run on a financial institution or ration queue.<br>The trouble is bad guys and illegals already know this and how to shield properly against more than one frequency/sigint.<br>As arrival and boarding lists are already pre-processed, bullshit claims of efficiency and whatever are crap.</p><p>The scheme fails, in that countries of interest will never go for RFID, where they run a trade surplus of money and other repatriations, hence the fingerprinting and such. Bottom line: there is no cost/benefit for Americans, its just a hare brain scheme that somehow got out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could be that the defective design is a feature - a calculated one that the good guys will get a greater advantage than the bad guys .
Such as demanding a passport when there is a run on a financial institution or ration queue.The trouble is bad guys and illegals already know this and how to shield properly against more than one frequency/sigint.As arrival and boarding lists are already pre-processed , bullshit claims of efficiency and whatever are crap.The scheme fails , in that countries of interest will never go for RFID , where they run a trade surplus of money and other repatriations , hence the fingerprinting and such .
Bottom line : there is no cost/benefit for Americans , its just a hare brain scheme that somehow got out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could be that the defective design is a feature - a calculated one that the good guys will get a greater advantage than the bad guys.
Such as demanding a passport when there is a run on a financial institution or ration queue.The trouble is bad guys and illegals already know this and how to shield properly against more than one frequency/sigint.As arrival and boarding lists are already pre-processed, bullshit claims of efficiency and whatever are crap.The scheme fails, in that countries of interest will never go for RFID, where they run a trade surplus of money and other repatriations, hence the fingerprinting and such.
Bottom line: there is no cost/benefit for Americans, its just a hare brain scheme that somehow got out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667003</id>
	<title>Re:Gosh...</title>
	<author>MeatBag PussRocket</author>
	<datestamp>1247409840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>truly spectacular care is in Europe these days, sadly the US healthcare system has defeated itself due to the cost of doing business here for most physicians. What America has is the \_perception\_ of good healthcare, however, just because sombody has a specialist for every ailment doesn't mean they're getting remotely good healthcare. in the US there are typically around 12 Doctors involved in the average Americans healthcare. have you ever been to a doctors office? do you know how busy- especially a decent specialist- is? do you think any of them really know \_any\_ of their patients well from a physicians standpoint? more to the point, do you think these doctors actually communicate? i know theres a lot of citation needed for a post like that but i'm too burned out on the issue to gather the facts, having worked in the medical field as a healthcare professional for a while i've seen firsthand the fiasco that is the US heathcare system. sorry folks, you arent getting "the best healthcare in the world" not even close. in fact</p><p><a href="http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html" title="photius.com">http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html</a> [photius.com]</p><p>the US fares pretty abysmally.</p><p>while its true the above WHO report does have a slight bias to social medicine due to cost being factored in (which isnt a bad thing) there is no denying that the outcomes for patients in the US are certainly not world class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>truly spectacular care is in Europe these days , sadly the US healthcare system has defeated itself due to the cost of doing business here for most physicians .
What America has is the \ _perception \ _ of good healthcare , however , just because sombody has a specialist for every ailment does n't mean they 're getting remotely good healthcare .
in the US there are typically around 12 Doctors involved in the average Americans healthcare .
have you ever been to a doctors office ?
do you know how busy- especially a decent specialist- is ?
do you think any of them really know \ _any \ _ of their patients well from a physicians standpoint ?
more to the point , do you think these doctors actually communicate ?
i know theres a lot of citation needed for a post like that but i 'm too burned out on the issue to gather the facts , having worked in the medical field as a healthcare professional for a while i 've seen firsthand the fiasco that is the US heathcare system .
sorry folks , you arent getting " the best healthcare in the world " not even close .
in facthttp : //www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html [ photius.com ] the US fares pretty abysmally.while its true the above WHO report does have a slight bias to social medicine due to cost being factored in ( which isnt a bad thing ) there is no denying that the outcomes for patients in the US are certainly not world class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>truly spectacular care is in Europe these days, sadly the US healthcare system has defeated itself due to the cost of doing business here for most physicians.
What America has is the \_perception\_ of good healthcare, however, just because sombody has a specialist for every ailment doesn't mean they're getting remotely good healthcare.
in the US there are typically around 12 Doctors involved in the average Americans healthcare.
have you ever been to a doctors office?
do you know how busy- especially a decent specialist- is?
do you think any of them really know \_any\_ of their patients well from a physicians standpoint?
more to the point, do you think these doctors actually communicate?
i know theres a lot of citation needed for a post like that but i'm too burned out on the issue to gather the facts, having worked in the medical field as a healthcare professional for a while i've seen firsthand the fiasco that is the US heathcare system.
sorry folks, you arent getting "the best healthcare in the world" not even close.
in facthttp://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html [photius.com]the US fares pretty abysmally.while its true the above WHO report does have a slight bias to social medicine due to cost being factored in (which isnt a bad thing) there is no denying that the outcomes for patients in the US are certainly not world class.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668253</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>beckett</author>
	<datestamp>1247422680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'm just surprised Americans have passports at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm just surprised Americans have passports at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm just surprised Americans have passports at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667389</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247414880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the Youtube link. I noticed a few minutes into the video that Napoleon Dynamite seems to be working as a security consultant now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the Youtube link .
I noticed a few minutes into the video that Napoleon Dynamite seems to be working as a security consultant now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the Youtube link.
I noticed a few minutes into the video that Napoleon Dynamite seems to be working as a security consultant now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667889</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Seawitch</author>
	<datestamp>1247419140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NO!  What is strange is the lack of foresight there is in this blog!  The article is talking about a passport CARD!  The first step towards a National ID card and you all missed it.  Geeks you may be but wise you are not!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NO !
What is strange is the lack of foresight there is in this blog !
The article is talking about a passport CARD !
The first step towards a National ID card and you all missed it .
Geeks you may be but wise you are not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO!
What is strange is the lack of foresight there is in this blog!
The article is talking about a passport CARD!
The first step towards a National ID card and you all missed it.
Geeks you may be but wise you are not!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666793</id>
	<title>thats not a warning...</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1247405580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thats a endorsement for continual increase in use.</p><p>I wonder how long it will take before credit companies, homeland security and other rfid pushers join forces to create a implantable credit card/passport/whatever-service-you-can-think-of rfid chip. For your own protection and convenience, honest...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thats a endorsement for continual increase in use.I wonder how long it will take before credit companies , homeland security and other rfid pushers join forces to create a implantable credit card/passport/whatever-service-you-can-think-of rfid chip .
For your own protection and convenience , honest.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thats a endorsement for continual increase in use.I wonder how long it will take before credit companies, homeland security and other rfid pushers join forces to create a implantable credit card/passport/whatever-service-you-can-think-of rfid chip.
For your own protection and convenience, honest...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667539</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247416320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried that with a cancelled RFID credit card.</p><p>In 3 seconds it had already let out smoke.</p><p>One second later (literally) I stopped the microwave.  The card had a VERY visible "melt" ring where the RFID antenna was and was damaged enough it would not read in my CC reader anymore.</p><p>Don't do this with anything you care about.  A rubber mallet is more effective and leaves fewer traces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried that with a cancelled RFID credit card.In 3 seconds it had already let out smoke.One second later ( literally ) I stopped the microwave .
The card had a VERY visible " melt " ring where the RFID antenna was and was damaged enough it would not read in my CC reader anymore.Do n't do this with anything you care about .
A rubber mallet is more effective and leaves fewer traces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried that with a cancelled RFID credit card.In 3 seconds it had already let out smoke.One second later (literally) I stopped the microwave.
The card had a VERY visible "melt" ring where the RFID antenna was and was damaged enough it would not read in my CC reader anymore.Don't do this with anything you care about.
A rubber mallet is more effective and leaves fewer traces.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666795</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667701</id>
	<title>Easy fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247417520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrap your passport in aluminium foil.<br>Just do not walk thru the metal detector with that. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjXkOplqrWo)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrap your passport in aluminium foil.Just do not walk thru the metal detector with that .
( http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = sjXkOplqrWo )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrap your passport in aluminium foil.Just do not walk thru the metal detector with that.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjXkOplqrWo)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668693</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247427180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country? Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country ?
Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the Hell carries their passport around all day in their home country?
Most of the time I imagine it would be sitting in a safe place at home.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28672671</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247420880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.<br>Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is. It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Don't worry, we all fell for it. As long as we learn from it, that is ok.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Are you saying you'll</p><p>"get on my knees and pray....<br>
&nbsp; We don't get fooled again!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is .
It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people .
: ) Do n't worry , we all fell for it .
As long as we learn from it , that is ok. : ) Are you saying you 'll " get on my knees and pray... .   We do n't get fooled again !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You act as if they were interested in your security at all.Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is.
It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people.
:)Don't worry, we all fell for it.
As long as we learn from it, that is ok. :)Are you saying you'll"get on my knees and pray....
  We don't get fooled again!
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28681425</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1247517900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True.</p><p>&gt; its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-<br>&gt; tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals"<br>&gt; without their knowledge or consent.'"</p><p>Gubmint:  Oh, noes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True. &gt; its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio- &gt; tagged IDs have the potential to allow " widespread surveillance of individuals " &gt; without their knowledge or consent .
' " Gubmint : Oh , noes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True.&gt; its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-&gt; tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals"&gt; without their knowledge or consent.
'"Gubmint:  Oh, noes!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667855</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Svartalf</author>
	<datestamp>1247418660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only problem I have is that while Flexilis may have a good point, the video you linked to is rubbish as far as proving their point.  It could just as easily have been a rigged thing for their "demo".  They needed to show things just a bit better than that- it's all smoke and mirrors with it as it is now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only problem I have is that while Flexilis may have a good point , the video you linked to is rubbish as far as proving their point .
It could just as easily have been a rigged thing for their " demo " .
They needed to show things just a bit better than that- it 's all smoke and mirrors with it as it is now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only problem I have is that while Flexilis may have a good point, the video you linked to is rubbish as far as proving their point.
It could just as easily have been a rigged thing for their "demo".
They needed to show things just a bit better than that- it's all smoke and mirrors with it as it is now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28673617</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1247478540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I strongly suggest you take a good hard look at the current crop of politicians you have elected (and re-elected) in Holland. The right-wing moralistic (for Holland) types that are leading the Government coalition on a second term now are half the reason why I personally left Holland.</p><p>The other half are the <b>huge</b> taxes and <b>scant</b> public service - in the last couple of years everything has been privatized but taxes stayed at Sweden-like levels.</p><p>In the last decade Holland has been adopting the Anglo-Saxon model (privatizing everything - politicians call it "liberalizing") so going in the direction of a surveillance-society is hardly surprising.</p><p>PS: I'm not dutch but I live in Holland for almost 9 years. I started by admiring the dutch and their society and from my point of view the place has been slowly sliding towards a "control-society" like what you see in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I strongly suggest you take a good hard look at the current crop of politicians you have elected ( and re-elected ) in Holland .
The right-wing moralistic ( for Holland ) types that are leading the Government coalition on a second term now are half the reason why I personally left Holland.The other half are the huge taxes and scant public service - in the last couple of years everything has been privatized but taxes stayed at Sweden-like levels.In the last decade Holland has been adopting the Anglo-Saxon model ( privatizing everything - politicians call it " liberalizing " ) so going in the direction of a surveillance-society is hardly surprising.PS : I 'm not dutch but I live in Holland for almost 9 years .
I started by admiring the dutch and their society and from my point of view the place has been slowly sliding towards a " control-society " like what you see in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I strongly suggest you take a good hard look at the current crop of politicians you have elected (and re-elected) in Holland.
The right-wing moralistic (for Holland) types that are leading the Government coalition on a second term now are half the reason why I personally left Holland.The other half are the huge taxes and scant public service - in the last couple of years everything has been privatized but taxes stayed at Sweden-like levels.In the last decade Holland has been adopting the Anglo-Saxon model (privatizing everything - politicians call it "liberalizing") so going in the direction of a surveillance-society is hardly surprising.PS: I'm not dutch but I live in Holland for almost 9 years.
I started by admiring the dutch and their society and from my point of view the place has been slowly sliding towards a "control-society" like what you see in the UK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666795</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>darkitecture</author>
	<datestamp>1247405640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could, you know, stick the thing in the microwave for ten seconds.<br>
<br>
Enough to zap the chip, not enough to toast the paperwork.<br>
<br>
Done and done, job well done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could , you know , stick the thing in the microwave for ten seconds .
Enough to zap the chip , not enough to toast the paperwork .
Done and done , job well done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could, you know, stick the thing in the microwave for ten seconds.
Enough to zap the chip, not enough to toast the paperwork.
Done and done, job well done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666703</id>
	<title>Gosh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be <i>great</i>!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well , then everything would be great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28671225</id>
	<title>Re:Gosh...</title>
	<author>autophile</author>
	<datestamp>1247405940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!</p></div></blockquote><p>...

</p><p>You want Homeland Security to be in charge of health care?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well , then everything would be great ! .. .
You want Homeland Security to be in charge of health care ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!...
You want Homeland Security to be in charge of health care?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667463</id>
	<title>tourists</title>
	<author>4d3fect</author>
	<datestamp>1247415720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet another reason --as if you NEEDED another reason-- to stay out of that hellhole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another reason --as if you NEEDED another reason-- to stay out of that hellhole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another reason --as if you NEEDED another reason-- to stay out of that hellhole.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669971</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1247394300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their idea of 'security' seems to be defined as "A conceptual medium by which masses of people may be persuaded to embrace a proposed idea."</p><p>Scary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their idea of 'security ' seems to be defined as " A conceptual medium by which masses of people may be persuaded to embrace a proposed idea .
" Scary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their idea of 'security' seems to be defined as "A conceptual medium by which masses of people may be persuaded to embrace a proposed idea.
"Scary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28674705</id>
	<title>Re:Poor encryption</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1247491320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is about US passport card. Real passports don't have an easy to read out serial number - or at least the country should have disabled the default serial number. The RFID tag (used as identification and for anti-collision with other cards) is set to random instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is about US passport card .
Real passports do n't have an easy to read out serial number - or at least the country should have disabled the default serial number .
The RFID tag ( used as identification and for anti-collision with other cards ) is set to random instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is about US passport card.
Real passports don't have an easy to read out serial number - or at least the country should have disabled the default serial number.
The RFID tag (used as identification and for anti-collision with other cards) is set to random instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666779</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668553</id>
	<title>Re:So what does work?</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247425860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If these RFID shields don't work, does anyone know something that does?</i></p><p>An oven does.  But the paper may get burned.  Someone above suggested a rubber mallet, which I think is better</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If these RFID shields do n't work , does anyone know something that does ? An oven does .
But the paper may get burned .
Someone above suggested a rubber mallet , which I think is better Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If these RFID shields don't work, does anyone know something that does?An oven does.
But the paper may get burned.
Someone above suggested a rubber mallet, which I think is better

Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667743</id>
	<title>'even though' should read 'because'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247417880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent." -&gt; 'even though'?!  Should read 'because'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Meanwhile , Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow " widespread surveillance of individuals " without their knowledge or consent .
" - &gt; 'even though ' ? !
Should read 'because' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.
" -&gt; 'even though'?!
Should read 'because'.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28671671</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1247409840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to Wikipedia U.S. passports were redesigned to build in shielding so I'm wondering if this person was reading U.S. passports before the design, passports from elsewhere or the redesign didn't work:</p><p>"In 2006, RFID tags were included in new US passports. The US produced 10 million passports in 2005, and it has been estimated that 13 million will be produced in 2006. The chips inlays produced by Smartrac will store the same information that is printed within the passport and will also include a digital picture of the owner.[11] The US State Department initially stated the chips could only be read from a distance of 10 cm (4 in), but after widespread criticism and a clear demonstration that special equipment can read the test passports from 10 meters (33 ft) away, the passports were designed to incorporate a thin metal lining to make it more difficult for unauthorized readers to "skim" information when the passport is closed. The department will also implement Basic Access Control (BAC), which functions as a Personal Identification Number (PIN) in the form of characters printed on the passport data page. Before a passport's tag can be read, this PIN must be entered into an RFID reader. The BAC also enables the encryption of any communication between the chip and interrogator"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to Wikipedia U.S. passports were redesigned to build in shielding so I 'm wondering if this person was reading U.S. passports before the design , passports from elsewhere or the redesign did n't work : " In 2006 , RFID tags were included in new US passports .
The US produced 10 million passports in 2005 , and it has been estimated that 13 million will be produced in 2006 .
The chips inlays produced by Smartrac will store the same information that is printed within the passport and will also include a digital picture of the owner .
[ 11 ] The US State Department initially stated the chips could only be read from a distance of 10 cm ( 4 in ) , but after widespread criticism and a clear demonstration that special equipment can read the test passports from 10 meters ( 33 ft ) away , the passports were designed to incorporate a thin metal lining to make it more difficult for unauthorized readers to " skim " information when the passport is closed .
The department will also implement Basic Access Control ( BAC ) , which functions as a Personal Identification Number ( PIN ) in the form of characters printed on the passport data page .
Before a passport 's tag can be read , this PIN must be entered into an RFID reader .
The BAC also enables the encryption of any communication between the chip and interrogator "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to Wikipedia U.S. passports were redesigned to build in shielding so I'm wondering if this person was reading U.S. passports before the design, passports from elsewhere or the redesign didn't work:"In 2006, RFID tags were included in new US passports.
The US produced 10 million passports in 2005, and it has been estimated that 13 million will be produced in 2006.
The chips inlays produced by Smartrac will store the same information that is printed within the passport and will also include a digital picture of the owner.
[11] The US State Department initially stated the chips could only be read from a distance of 10 cm (4 in), but after widespread criticism and a clear demonstration that special equipment can read the test passports from 10 meters (33 ft) away, the passports were designed to incorporate a thin metal lining to make it more difficult for unauthorized readers to "skim" information when the passport is closed.
The department will also implement Basic Access Control (BAC), which functions as a Personal Identification Number (PIN) in the form of characters printed on the passport data page.
Before a passport's tag can be read, this PIN must be entered into an RFID reader.
The BAC also enables the encryption of any communication between the chip and interrogator"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28674077</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247484780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What nonsense. I spent a year in Amsterdam and never carried my passport. I was stopped by an officer for a bike fine once and showed a student ID (all I had with me), and I'm not even a Dutch citizen! This is an obvious exaggeration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What nonsense .
I spent a year in Amsterdam and never carried my passport .
I was stopped by an officer for a bike fine once and showed a student ID ( all I had with me ) , and I 'm not even a Dutch citizen !
This is an obvious exaggeration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What nonsense.
I spent a year in Amsterdam and never carried my passport.
I was stopped by an officer for a bike fine once and showed a student ID (all I had with me), and I'm not even a Dutch citizen!
This is an obvious exaggeration.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667411</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder..</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1247415120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people do carry passports and ID-whatever around all the time.<br>
Some are concerned with the lack of care taken while implementing what others wanted.<br>
Why not distribute tin-foil envelopes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people do carry passports and ID-whatever around all the time .
Some are concerned with the lack of care taken while implementing what others wanted .
Why not distribute tin-foil envelopes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people do carry passports and ID-whatever around all the time.
Some are concerned with the lack of care taken while implementing what others wanted.
Why not distribute tin-foil envelopes?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667081</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667547</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247416440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WIred magazine did a test on the RFID chips, they found a hammer was the best way to secure them. Thats right beat it to death. The passport is still valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WIred magazine did a test on the RFID chips , they found a hammer was the best way to secure them .
Thats right beat it to death .
The passport is still valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WIred magazine did a test on the RFID chips, they found a hammer was the best way to secure them.
Thats right beat it to death.
The passport is still valid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666865</id>
	<title>hurf durf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247407560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wrap it in tinfoil or brass screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wrap it in tinfoil or brass screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wrap it in tinfoil or brass screen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668251</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Dr Tall</author>
	<datestamp>1247422680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But the threat in the video is farfetched, because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists.</p></div><p>
I don't think the author is making the claim that RFID is the best way to ID Americans. I agree with you that there are much better ways for a <i>human</i> to ID an American. But what about an explosive device, as shown in the video? Modern terrorists use remote explosives to time an attack for most destruction and/or destruction of Americans as opposed to sympathetic locals. <br> <br>It would be much easier to build a device that will only blow up if X number of Americans are in its kill range. This device could be constructed, dropped, and forgotten about. This means you have no risk of being caught once you plant the device. Sure it could make plenty of collateral damage, but it would always get at least X Americans along with it. The author's claim is that faulty RFID shielding on passports makes this possible to do. I don't have a cost analysis, so perhaps it is still farfetched, but for the right price I think this would be a very practical exploit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the threat in the video is farfetched , because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists .
I do n't think the author is making the claim that RFID is the best way to ID Americans .
I agree with you that there are much better ways for a human to ID an American .
But what about an explosive device , as shown in the video ?
Modern terrorists use remote explosives to time an attack for most destruction and/or destruction of Americans as opposed to sympathetic locals .
It would be much easier to build a device that will only blow up if X number of Americans are in its kill range .
This device could be constructed , dropped , and forgotten about .
This means you have no risk of being caught once you plant the device .
Sure it could make plenty of collateral damage , but it would always get at least X Americans along with it .
The author 's claim is that faulty RFID shielding on passports makes this possible to do .
I do n't have a cost analysis , so perhaps it is still farfetched , but for the right price I think this would be a very practical exploit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the threat in the video is farfetched, because there are much easier ways of finding American tourists.
I don't think the author is making the claim that RFID is the best way to ID Americans.
I agree with you that there are much better ways for a human to ID an American.
But what about an explosive device, as shown in the video?
Modern terrorists use remote explosives to time an attack for most destruction and/or destruction of Americans as opposed to sympathetic locals.
It would be much easier to build a device that will only blow up if X number of Americans are in its kill range.
This device could be constructed, dropped, and forgotten about.
This means you have no risk of being caught once you plant the device.
Sure it could make plenty of collateral damage, but it would always get at least X Americans along with it.
The author's claim is that faulty RFID shielding on passports makes this possible to do.
I don't have a cost analysis, so perhaps it is still farfetched, but for the right price I think this would be a very practical exploit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668579</id>
	<title>Re:Big Brother Concerns?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247426160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many frequent business travelers who as a matter of course always have their passports with them. It's NOT intuitive, but it's common.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many frequent business travelers who as a matter of course always have their passports with them .
It 's NOT intuitive , but it 's common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many frequent business travelers who as a matter of course always have their passports with them.
It's NOT intuitive, but it's common.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669223</id>
	<title>Re:These aren't passports</title>
	<author>jpallas</author>
	<datestamp>1247431680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only are PASS cards not passports, but they use a completely different technology.

This story is pretty much debunked at <a href="http://www.rfidjournal.com/blog/entry/4615" title="rfidjournal.com">http://www.rfidjournal.com/blog/entry/4615</a> [rfidjournal.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only are PASS cards not passports , but they use a completely different technology .
This story is pretty much debunked at http : //www.rfidjournal.com/blog/entry/4615 [ rfidjournal.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only are PASS cards not passports, but they use a completely different technology.
This story is pretty much debunked at http://www.rfidjournal.com/blog/entry/4615 [rfidjournal.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28668015</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28667099</id>
	<title>hmmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247411460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!</p></div><p>
We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by <b>the government</b> <br>
If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by <b>the government</b> <br>
Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by <b>the government</b> <br>
I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by <b>the government</b> <br>
I was educated at public schools funded by <b>the government</b> <br> <br>
(just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens)
If you would rather not have any of those services, there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them.  But these are all different departments of government; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system <i>that hasn't even been proposed</i> is beyond me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well , then everything would be great !
We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the government If my house is on fire , the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff 's department funded by the government I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government I was educated at public schools funded by the government ( just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens ) If you would rather not have any of those services , there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them .
But these are all different departments of government ; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system that has n't even been proposed is beyond me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only these same people who secured my passport were in charge of my healthcare as well, then everything would be great!
We live in a country that is protected by a military funded by the government 
If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by the government 
Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by the government 
I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by the government 
I was educated at public schools funded by the government  
(just to name a few government services that are entitled to US citizens)
If you would rather not have any of those services, there may be countries on other continents where you can opt to not have them.
But these are all different departments of government; why you would assume that any of them - or the department in charge of passports - would be connected to a health care system that hasn't even been proposed is beyond me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28700577</id>
	<title>Re:Passport RFID borders on criminal negligence IM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247598240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem. And it's cheap: I don't know what RFID standard passports are using, but various readers on Ebay don't seem to creep much above the $50 mark. Add a microcontroller and some code (which, of course, can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations), along with a little supporting hardware, and you've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than, say, $200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person.</i> </p><p>Dead on. And, if you can get the trigger to go off remotely, you get great savings by reusing much of the hardware.</p><p>Just set the main stuff up (buried) at a distance from the IED. Use thin enough wires and you can just kick or brush some dust over them.</p><p>You are aware, are you not, that khaki, the color of many military uniforms in times past, is the Afghan word for "dust". What better way to keep looking snappy than to make your uniforms out of material the same color as what's blowing all over them in the wind? Perfect camo for uniforms and wires.</p><p>Heh, captcha = commando</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem .
And it 's cheap : I do n't know what RFID standard passports are using , but various readers on Ebay do n't seem to creep much above the $ 50 mark .
Add a microcontroller and some code ( which , of course , can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations ) , along with a little supporting hardware , and you 've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than , say , $ 200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person .
Dead on .
And , if you can get the trigger to go off remotely , you get great savings by reusing much of the hardware.Just set the main stuff up ( buried ) at a distance from the IED .
Use thin enough wires and you can just kick or brush some dust over them.You are aware , are you not , that khaki , the color of many military uniforms in times past , is the Afghan word for " dust " .
What better way to keep looking snappy than to make your uniforms out of material the same color as what 's blowing all over them in the wind ?
Perfect camo for uniforms and wires.Heh , captcha = commando</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's nice to see that someone else besides me is sufficiently realistic to understand that this can be a real problem.
And it's cheap: I don't know what RFID standard passports are using, but various readers on Ebay don't seem to creep much above the $50 mark.
Add a microcontroller and some code (which, of course, can be open-sourced amongst other terrorist organizations), along with a little supporting hardware, and you've got yourself a trigger for a device for less than, say, $200 and a few days/weeks of study by an aptly-minded person.
Dead on.
And, if you can get the trigger to go off remotely, you get great savings by reusing much of the hardware.Just set the main stuff up (buried) at a distance from the IED.
Use thin enough wires and you can just kick or brush some dust over them.You are aware, are you not, that khaki, the color of many military uniforms in times past, is the Afghan word for "dust".
What better way to keep looking snappy than to make your uniforms out of material the same color as what's blowing all over them in the wind?
Perfect camo for uniforms and wires.Heh, captcha = commando</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669741</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666781</id>
	<title>WHAT!?</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1247405520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean that RFID actually works!?<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, but do we really need it in passports and identification cards?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean that RFID actually works ! ?
Yes , but do we really need it in passports and identification cards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean that RFID actually works!?
Yes, but do we really need it in passports and identification cards?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666757</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to worry about...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247405280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>newfag</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>newfag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>newfag</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666701</id>
	<title>Fighting the wrong battle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That RFID, coupled with other technologies, could make people trackable without their knowledge or consent.</p></div><p>People already are easilt trackable. CCTV coupled with facial recognition is a far more effective way to follow an individual than relying on a web of RFID sensors, needed one every 20 feet. This is especially true when the RFID sniffing is so easily defeated - keep your passport under your tinfoil hat. (To be fair, face recog. is also pretty easy to fool: fale beard and dark glasses, anyone?)
</p><p>
However, keep up the paranoia, guys One day all your fears might just come to pass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That RFID , coupled with other technologies , could make people trackable without their knowledge or consent.People already are easilt trackable .
CCTV coupled with facial recognition is a far more effective way to follow an individual than relying on a web of RFID sensors , needed one every 20 feet .
This is especially true when the RFID sniffing is so easily defeated - keep your passport under your tinfoil hat .
( To be fair , face recog .
is also pretty easy to fool : fale beard and dark glasses , anyone ?
) However , keep up the paranoia , guys One day all your fears might just come to pass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That RFID, coupled with other technologies, could make people trackable without their knowledge or consent.People already are easilt trackable.
CCTV coupled with facial recognition is a far more effective way to follow an individual than relying on a web of RFID sensors, needed one every 20 feet.
This is especially true when the RFID sniffing is so easily defeated - keep your passport under your tinfoil hat.
(To be fair, face recog.
is also pretty easy to fool: fale beard and dark glasses, anyone?
)

However, keep up the paranoia, guys One day all your fears might just come to pass.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28673917</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247482260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope, driver's license is also a valid form of ID, or a european ID card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , driver 's license is also a valid form of ID , or a european ID card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, driver's license is also a valid form of ID, or a european ID card.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669595</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28669793</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>idji</author>
	<datestamp>1247393160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I flew to Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow 2 weeks ago. There was a separate queue for "e-Passports" so I lined up.
They still put my passport through the scanner - which left me wondering why they bothered to have the special queue at all.

PS. When I flew out the next day the lady at passport control was very friendly and smiling - made me almost forget where I was!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I flew to Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow 2 weeks ago .
There was a separate queue for " e-Passports " so I lined up .
They still put my passport through the scanner - which left me wondering why they bothered to have the special queue at all .
PS. When I flew out the next day the lady at passport control was very friendly and smiling - made me almost forget where I was !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I flew to Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow 2 weeks ago.
There was a separate queue for "e-Passports" so I lined up.
They still put my passport through the scanner - which left me wondering why they bothered to have the special queue at all.
PS. When I flew out the next day the lady at passport control was very friendly and smiling - made me almost forget where I was!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28666667</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0611201.28671237</id>
	<title>Re:Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247406060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It helps secure THE GOVERNMENT, not the subjects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It helps secure THE GOVERNMENT , not the subjects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It helps secure THE GOVERNMENT, not the subjects.</sentencetext>
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