<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_10_1536218</id>
	<title>Silverlight 3.0 Released, Allows Apps Outside the Browser</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1247246220000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Many different sources are reporting that Microsoft has unleashed the <a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Silverlight\_3\_Arrives\_\_Brings\_Smoother\_Video\_\_Better\_Web\_Apps">third major version of Silverlight</a> to the masses.  With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support, the ability to offload tasks to a GPU, and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.  <i>"Silverlight's video capabilities have always been impressive when compared to Flash, and the new version boasts some new features that should keep the competition with Flash hot. It uses a media broadcasting technology Microsoft calls Smooth Streaming, an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allow. So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD. If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many different sources are reporting that Microsoft has unleashed the third major version of Silverlight to the masses .
With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support , the ability to offload tasks to a GPU , and the ability to run apps outside of the browser .
" Silverlight 's video capabilities have always been impressive when compared to Flash , and the new version boasts some new features that should keep the competition with Flash hot .
It uses a media broadcasting technology Microsoft calls Smooth Streaming , an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allow .
So if you 've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe , you 'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD .
If you 've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service , you 'll see a constrained version of the same video .
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<sentencetext>Many different sources are reporting that Microsoft has unleashed the third major version of Silverlight to the masses.
With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support, the ability to offload tasks to a GPU, and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.
"Silverlight's video capabilities have always been impressive when compared to Flash, and the new version boasts some new features that should keep the competition with Flash hot.
It uses a media broadcasting technology Microsoft calls Smooth Streaming, an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allow.
So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD.
If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652425</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Kurusuki</author>
	<datestamp>1247251980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Netflix uses silverlight for their movie streaming client.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netflix uses silverlight for their movie streaming client .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netflix uses silverlight for their movie streaming client.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28656151</id>
	<title>Re:MSochists....</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1247229240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not really "outside the browser".</p><p>Imagine if your flash could create a new browser window, turn off the menu and toolbars, and resize itself to fill the window. This is what Silverlight is doing. Microsoft calling this "outside the browser" is just misleading marketing hype.</p><p>Microsoft defenders rightly are saying that most people's here perception is wrong. I do see problems with the great ease this allows web sites to look like dialogs from local programs, but nowhere near the danger you think there is from this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not really " outside the browser " .Imagine if your flash could create a new browser window , turn off the menu and toolbars , and resize itself to fill the window .
This is what Silverlight is doing .
Microsoft calling this " outside the browser " is just misleading marketing hype.Microsoft defenders rightly are saying that most people 's here perception is wrong .
I do see problems with the great ease this allows web sites to look like dialogs from local programs , but nowhere near the danger you think there is from this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not really "outside the browser".Imagine if your flash could create a new browser window, turn off the menu and toolbars, and resize itself to fill the window.
This is what Silverlight is doing.
Microsoft calling this "outside the browser" is just misleading marketing hype.Microsoft defenders rightly are saying that most people's here perception is wrong.
I do see problems with the great ease this allows web sites to look like dialogs from local programs, but nowhere near the danger you think there is from this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652891</id>
	<title>Re:Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moonlight is already open source, it doesn't appear to matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight is already open source , it does n't appear to matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight is already open source, it doesn't appear to matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652169</id>
	<title>Feature creep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long before Silverlight adds email support?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long before Silverlight adds email support ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long before Silverlight adds email support?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28669757</id>
	<title>Re:Argh, recursion</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1247393040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So basically after all this time and effort, the current state of the art wonderful new technology is "the thick client"?</i></p><p>Uhh, what makes you call Silverlight a "thick client"?  All the data resides on the remote server.  The application code itself is deployed from there.  All you really have is a client downloading an application that it can then use as a front-end for interacting with the server... kinda like an AJAX app.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically after all this time and effort , the current state of the art wonderful new technology is " the thick client " ? Uhh , what makes you call Silverlight a " thick client " ?
All the data resides on the remote server .
The application code itself is deployed from there .
All you really have is a client downloading an application that it can then use as a front-end for interacting with the server... kinda like an AJAX app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically after all this time and effort, the current state of the art wonderful new technology is "the thick client"?Uhh, what makes you call Silverlight a "thick client"?
All the data resides on the remote server.
The application code itself is deployed from there.
All you really have is a client downloading an application that it can then use as a front-end for interacting with the server... kinda like an AJAX app.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652395</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1247251920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Er what?  How is DirectX a security atrocity?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Er what ?
How is DirectX a security atrocity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er what?
How is DirectX a security atrocity?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651871</id>
	<title>Ogg was supposed to do this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They called it bitrate peeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They called it bitrate peeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They called it bitrate peeling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652075</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight?</p><p>Seriously?</p><p>Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?</p><p>I thought not.  Stop giving Microsoft press every time they "update" their shitty little plugin that no one cares about, and let it die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight ? Seriously ? Anyone ?
Bueller ? Bueller ? I thought not .
Stop giving Microsoft press every time they " update " their shitty little plugin that no one cares about , and let it die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight?Seriously?Anyone?
Bueller?  Bueller?I thought not.
Stop giving Microsoft press every time they "update" their shitty little plugin that no one cares about, and let it die.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652061</id>
	<title>Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the "threat" of Silverlight's assault on the desktop looming, I wonder why Adobe will not open source Flash and all its components. Do they want to procrastinate like SUN did with their Java?</p><p>Seriously, in future, Flash will be in trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the " threat " of Silverlight 's assault on the desktop looming , I wonder why Adobe will not open source Flash and all its components .
Do they want to procrastinate like SUN did with their Java ? Seriously , in future , Flash will be in trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the "threat" of Silverlight's assault on the desktop looming, I wonder why Adobe will not open source Flash and all its components.
Do they want to procrastinate like SUN did with their Java?Seriously, in future, Flash will be in trouble.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28667453</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247415540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's not three-d graphics.  It's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms.</p></div><p>I think you're talking about SL2. SL3 has "proper" perspective 3D graphics, with much of what WPF can do graphically, including hardware acceleration to boot (as mentioned in TFA). To quote the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/overview/top-features/all-features.aspx#Empower" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">official propaganda</a> [microsoft.com]:</p><blockquote><div><p>"Perspective 3D Graphics. Silverlight 3 allows developers and designers to apply content to a 3D plane."</p></div></blockquote><p>P.S. By "worked on" do you mean "developed sites/apps using" or "worked in the team @MS that developed" Silverlight?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not three-d graphics .
It 's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms.I think you 're talking about SL2 .
SL3 has " proper " perspective 3D graphics , with much of what WPF can do graphically , including hardware acceleration to boot ( as mentioned in TFA ) .
To quote the official propaganda [ microsoft.com ] : " Perspective 3D Graphics .
Silverlight 3 allows developers and designers to apply content to a 3D plane. " P.S .
By " worked on " do you mean " developed sites/apps using " or " worked in the team @ MS that developed " Silverlight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not three-d graphics.
It's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms.I think you're talking about SL2.
SL3 has "proper" perspective 3D graphics, with much of what WPF can do graphically, including hardware acceleration to boot (as mentioned in TFA).
To quote the official propaganda [microsoft.com]:"Perspective 3D Graphics.
Silverlight 3 allows developers and designers to apply content to a 3D plane."P.S.
By "worked on" do you mean "developed sites/apps using" or "worked in the team @MS that developed" Silverlight?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652695</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</id>
	<title>DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX?  Aren't there enough security holes already?  If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web?   We should also ban ActiveX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX ?
Are n't there enough security holes already ?
If anything , we should think about banning DirectX from the Web ?
We should also ban ActiveX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX?
Aren't there enough security holes already?
If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web?
We should also ban ActiveX.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651855</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653745</id>
	<title>Re:Ogg was supposed to do this</title>
	<author>Stephan202</author>
	<datestamp>1247257260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>That just doesn't sounds as cool as <em>Smooth Streaming</em>, now does it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That just does n't sounds as cool as Smooth Streaming , now does it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That just doesn't sounds as cool as Smooth Streaming, now does it...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651871</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652359</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't imagine the Linux community will go long without a port of Silverlight as it continues to gain popularity.  Maybe not always up to date or working perfectly, but that's generally the state of things with Linux ports of Windows origin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't imagine the Linux community will go long without a port of Silverlight as it continues to gain popularity .
Maybe not always up to date or working perfectly , but that 's generally the state of things with Linux ports of Windows origin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't imagine the Linux community will go long without a port of Silverlight as it continues to gain popularity.
Maybe not always up to date or working perfectly, but that's generally the state of things with Linux ports of Windows origin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659073</id>
	<title>This is really getting suspicious</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247317680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I try my best not to get paranoid but...</p><p>1) Shockwave, which has state of art design tools is available since 1990s, does the exact same thing and easy enough to use by designers, not developers. Runs under both OS X and Windows. One of its powers is 3d support even extensible with other "engines", online. People even pack it to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.apps to sell the games as some kind of native executables.</p><p>2) Adobe Air, it is there since 2006, there are already working (some even commercial, like earthbrowser) under 3 different operating systems, OS X, Linux, Windows (and *BSD). There is a huge major vendor support including AOL, major record companies, major online services. It can be used, designed completely open source without any kind of questionable licenses and runtimes.</p><p>What exactly causes the tone of submission and people with high IDs "partying" over this release while it is clear that there will be months to clone this technology which won't really be a perfect copy under Linux? Obviously, companies won't really bother with "GTK something layer", they will fire up Visual Studio and code for Windows clients in mind.</p><p>The question is: "Is this the biggest astroturfing ever?" If Slashdot or its parent needs money, let us subscribe or donate. This is really getting something that could mark the end of Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I try my best not to get paranoid but...1 ) Shockwave , which has state of art design tools is available since 1990s , does the exact same thing and easy enough to use by designers , not developers .
Runs under both OS X and Windows .
One of its powers is 3d support even extensible with other " engines " , online .
People even pack it to .exe and .apps to sell the games as some kind of native executables.2 ) Adobe Air , it is there since 2006 , there are already working ( some even commercial , like earthbrowser ) under 3 different operating systems , OS X , Linux , Windows ( and * BSD ) .
There is a huge major vendor support including AOL , major record companies , major online services .
It can be used , designed completely open source without any kind of questionable licenses and runtimes.What exactly causes the tone of submission and people with high IDs " partying " over this release while it is clear that there will be months to clone this technology which wo n't really be a perfect copy under Linux ?
Obviously , companies wo n't really bother with " GTK something layer " , they will fire up Visual Studio and code for Windows clients in mind.The question is : " Is this the biggest astroturfing ever ?
" If Slashdot or its parent needs money , let us subscribe or donate .
This is really getting something that could mark the end of Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I try my best not to get paranoid but...1) Shockwave, which has state of art design tools is available since 1990s, does the exact same thing and easy enough to use by designers, not developers.
Runs under both OS X and Windows.
One of its powers is 3d support even extensible with other "engines", online.
People even pack it to .exe and .apps to sell the games as some kind of native executables.2) Adobe Air, it is there since 2006, there are already working (some even commercial, like earthbrowser) under 3 different operating systems, OS X, Linux, Windows (and *BSD).
There is a huge major vendor support including AOL, major record companies, major online services.
It can be used, designed completely open source without any kind of questionable licenses and runtimes.What exactly causes the tone of submission and people with high IDs "partying" over this release while it is clear that there will be months to clone this technology which won't really be a perfect copy under Linux?
Obviously, companies won't really bother with "GTK something layer", they will fire up Visual Studio and code for Windows clients in mind.The question is: "Is this the biggest astroturfing ever?
" If Slashdot or its parent needs money, let us subscribe or donate.
This is really getting something that could mark the end of Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652407</id>
	<title>Re:Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1247251980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does undercutting the competition by giving away the store do any good?  It <i>might</i> help Flash, but would Flash still help Adobe?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does undercutting the competition by giving away the store do any good ?
It might help Flash , but would Flash still help Adobe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does undercutting the competition by giving away the store do any good?
It might help Flash, but would Flash still help Adobe?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653501</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>malevolentjelly</author>
	<datestamp>1247256300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability. You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim. If they would make the API a public standard (that is not restricted) then people might adapt, if it is any good.</p></div><p>You mean like Moonlight? The free implementation of Silverlight? Silverlight runs in IE, Firefox on Windows, Safari, Firefox on Mac, and Firefox in Linux (x86 and x64) through Moonlight. It's coming to mobile soon, too.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.</p></div><p>What? Why does this matter? It's a cross platform and browser dynamic content plugin, not unlike Flash.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year. A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.</p></div><p>What the Hell are you talking about? This is a new feature release, not a bugfix. Silverlight 1.1 code will run fine in Silverlight 3, etc. This is simply a newer expanded version of the last framework, as Flash 10 was to Flash 9, or 8. Your "well designed platform" model is exactly what Silverlight is doing. It's specifically a "well designed platform."</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they can't keep up with the change that's happening continuously. I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).</p></div><p>You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it's fully documented publicly unlike Flash. I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash can't. You can even play theora videos natively in IE, Safari/Mac, and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY. I would say the technology is quite freeing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.</p></div><p> <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnfa/archive/2007/05/09/the-silverlight-security-model.aspx" title="msdn.com">http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnfa/archive/2007/05/09/the-silverlight-security-model.aspx</a> [msdn.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about : interoperability .
You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim .
If they would make the API a public standard ( that is not restricted ) then people might adapt , if it is any good.You mean like Moonlight ?
The free implementation of Silverlight ?
Silverlight runs in IE , Firefox on Windows , Safari , Firefox on Mac , and Firefox in Linux ( x86 and x64 ) through Moonlight .
It 's coming to mobile soon , too.Now I know , someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users do n't care , but you see , most users also do n't write applications , and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people , you are going nowhere.What ?
Why does this matter ?
It 's a cross platform and browser dynamic content plugin , not unlike Flash.Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year .
A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.What the Hell are you talking about ?
This is a new feature release , not a bugfix .
Silverlight 1.1 code will run fine in Silverlight 3 , etc .
This is simply a newer expanded version of the last framework , as Flash 10 was to Flash 9 , or 8 .
Your " well designed platform " model is exactly what Silverlight is doing .
It 's specifically a " well designed platform .
" Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they ca n't keep up with the change that 's happening continuously .
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development ( see VB , classic ASP and so forth ) .You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it 's fully documented publicly unlike Flash .
I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash ca n't .
You can even play theora videos natively in IE , Safari/Mac , and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY .
I would say the technology is quite freeing.Another thing is , that though the feature list sounds impressive , there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology .
http : //blogs.msdn.com/shawnfa/archive/2007/05/09/the-silverlight-security-model.aspx [ msdn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability.
You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim.
If they would make the API a public standard (that is not restricted) then people might adapt, if it is any good.You mean like Moonlight?
The free implementation of Silverlight?
Silverlight runs in IE, Firefox on Windows, Safari, Firefox on Mac, and Firefox in Linux (x86 and x64) through Moonlight.
It's coming to mobile soon, too.Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.What?
Why does this matter?
It's a cross platform and browser dynamic content plugin, not unlike Flash.Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year.
A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.What the Hell are you talking about?
This is a new feature release, not a bugfix.
Silverlight 1.1 code will run fine in Silverlight 3, etc.
This is simply a newer expanded version of the last framework, as Flash 10 was to Flash 9, or 8.
Your "well designed platform" model is exactly what Silverlight is doing.
It's specifically a "well designed platform.
"Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they can't keep up with the change that's happening continuously.
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it's fully documented publicly unlike Flash.
I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash can't.
You can even play theora videos natively in IE, Safari/Mac, and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY.
I would say the technology is quite freeing.Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.
http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnfa/archive/2007/05/09/the-silverlight-security-model.aspx [msdn.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652115</id>
	<title>Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>tcopeland</author>
	<datestamp>1247250900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...been impressive when compared to Flash?  Really?  Then why did <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023\_3-10098963-93.html" title="cnet.com">mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash</a> [cnet.com]?   I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess, and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.</p><p>That said, the ability to <a href="http://silverlight.net/samples/sl2/ruby-clock/index.html" title="silverlight.net">write Silverlight apps in Ruby</a> [silverlight.net] is interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...been impressive when compared to Flash ?
Really ? Then why did mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash [ cnet.com ] ?
I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess , and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.That said , the ability to write Silverlight apps in Ruby [ silverlight.net ] is interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...been impressive when compared to Flash?
Really?  Then why did mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash [cnet.com]?
I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess, and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.That said, the ability to write Silverlight apps in Ruby [silverlight.net] is interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658969</id>
	<title>(the newest versions are Intel only)</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1247315580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I'm running AMD dual core. Oh damn!</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 'm running AMD dual core .
Oh damn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I'm running AMD dual core.
Oh damn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652507</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had spent the time it took to write this post, and instead read up on silverlight it would have spared us all from this random guessing game; at which you are not very good at.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had spent the time it took to write this post , and instead read up on silverlight it would have spared us all from this random guessing game ; at which you are not very good at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had spent the time it took to write this post, and instead read up on silverlight it would have spared us all from this random guessing game; at which you are not very good at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659093</id>
	<title>Patent security threat is bigger</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247318040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about "patent atrocity"? I hope nobody will dare to claim DirectX is not patented by Microsoft. It is their "real power", the Windows OS is impossible to give up by gamers because of DirectX games. For example, even if the entire earth says "OS X is better", EA will keep shipping their top selling titles in DirectX. Their "OS X" games are actually Windows executables you know.</p><p>So, the day you get "Moonlight with 3d!" from a camp who is only interested in cloning MS technologies and infecting Linux, you get the "DirectX" patent bomb too. They will probably find a idiot to code a cool app depending on it with no other reason than "it can".</p><p>Not like I can believe they can really clone directx, I am just saying where things are heading with this "me too" technology and monkeys trying to clone it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about " patent atrocity " ?
I hope nobody will dare to claim DirectX is not patented by Microsoft .
It is their " real power " , the Windows OS is impossible to give up by gamers because of DirectX games .
For example , even if the entire earth says " OS X is better " , EA will keep shipping their top selling titles in DirectX .
Their " OS X " games are actually Windows executables you know.So , the day you get " Moonlight with 3d !
" from a camp who is only interested in cloning MS technologies and infecting Linux , you get the " DirectX " patent bomb too .
They will probably find a idiot to code a cool app depending on it with no other reason than " it can " .Not like I can believe they can really clone directx , I am just saying where things are heading with this " me too " technology and monkeys trying to clone it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about "patent atrocity"?
I hope nobody will dare to claim DirectX is not patented by Microsoft.
It is their "real power", the Windows OS is impossible to give up by gamers because of DirectX games.
For example, even if the entire earth says "OS X is better", EA will keep shipping their top selling titles in DirectX.
Their "OS X" games are actually Windows executables you know.So, the day you get "Moonlight with 3d!
" from a camp who is only interested in cloning MS technologies and infecting Linux, you get the "DirectX" patent bomb too.
They will probably find a idiot to code a cool app depending on it with no other reason than "it can".Not like I can believe they can really clone directx, I am just saying where things are heading with this "me too" technology and monkeys trying to clone it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654835</id>
	<title>Silverlight Will Become the Windows Desktop</title>
	<author>deanston</author>
	<datestamp>1247219640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MSFT needs this more than ever. With Windows OS virtually in stand still (pahleez - nothing in Vista 2 is new), WinMo hardly making news, people moving to diverse personal computing environments and devices - This is one technology that can be extended to all systems (desktop, laptop, netbooks, tablets, mobile, set-top boxes) and continue to deliver MSFT based products, especially the future of Azure. I thought it was strange for Google to announce so-called Chrome OS so pre-maturely, but now I can understand. Personally I'll stick with WebKit. All the proprietary plug-ins hopefully will become obsolete.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MSFT needs this more than ever .
With Windows OS virtually in stand still ( pahleez - nothing in Vista 2 is new ) , WinMo hardly making news , people moving to diverse personal computing environments and devices - This is one technology that can be extended to all systems ( desktop , laptop , netbooks , tablets , mobile , set-top boxes ) and continue to deliver MSFT based products , especially the future of Azure .
I thought it was strange for Google to announce so-called Chrome OS so pre-maturely , but now I can understand .
Personally I 'll stick with WebKit .
All the proprietary plug-ins hopefully will become obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSFT needs this more than ever.
With Windows OS virtually in stand still (pahleez - nothing in Vista 2 is new), WinMo hardly making news, people moving to diverse personal computing environments and devices - This is one technology that can be extended to all systems (desktop, laptop, netbooks, tablets, mobile, set-top boxes) and continue to deliver MSFT based products, especially the future of Azure.
I thought it was strange for Google to announce so-called Chrome OS so pre-maturely, but now I can understand.
Personally I'll stick with WebKit.
All the proprietary plug-ins hopefully will become obsolete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659265</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247320500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Failure of Microsoft means a lot philosophically. It would even mean a lot to OS X users who are one of the best Microsoft customers via MS Office and Windows XP/Vista (piracy isn't too popular here).</p><p>That is unless you are one of the types trying to clone their junk and expect respect and prestige from open source community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Failure of Microsoft means a lot philosophically .
It would even mean a lot to OS X users who are one of the best Microsoft customers via MS Office and Windows XP/Vista ( piracy is n't too popular here ) .That is unless you are one of the types trying to clone their junk and expect respect and prestige from open source community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Failure of Microsoft means a lot philosophically.
It would even mean a lot to OS X users who are one of the best Microsoft customers via MS Office and Windows XP/Vista (piracy isn't too popular here).That is unless you are one of the types trying to clone their junk and expect respect and prestige from open source community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655143</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>not already in use</author>
	<datestamp>1247221680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Poor linux users, under-represented minority that we are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>You get what you pay for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Poor linux users , under-represented minority that we are : ) You get what you pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poor linux users, under-represented minority that we are :)You get what you pay for.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659035</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247316960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, there is something called "shockwave" which runs for years, have extensive 3d support both in OpenGL and Direct3D.  It supports Windows, OS X (both PPC and Intel) and the only reason for no linux support was basically lack of interest and needlessly shipping a binary to an open operating system.</p><p>This is not news for people who used web back in 1990s. I don't know why people get so impressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , there is something called " shockwave " which runs for years , have extensive 3d support both in OpenGL and Direct3D .
It supports Windows , OS X ( both PPC and Intel ) and the only reason for no linux support was basically lack of interest and needlessly shipping a binary to an open operating system.This is not news for people who used web back in 1990s .
I do n't know why people get so impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, there is something called "shockwave" which runs for years, have extensive 3d support both in OpenGL and Direct3D.
It supports Windows, OS X (both PPC and Intel) and the only reason for no linux support was basically lack of interest and needlessly shipping a binary to an open operating system.This is not news for people who used web back in 1990s.
I don't know why people get so impressed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653849</id>
	<title>Re:The Light</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247257860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Again, MS is building something better than the people who built it first. (OS, GUI, Office Tools, Chat, Browser, now Flash)</p></div><p>Wow!  It's really getting deep in here.  *dons waders*.  Let's look at comparatively at contemporary examples for the first item in your list.</p><p>Microsoft's first OS was MS-DOS.  Sure, it compared favorably to the operating system it sought to compete with, CP/M, but what about other contemporary OSes?  I mean, it had no multitasking, no decent scripting language, no real memory management support.  No, MS-DOS was pretty much a program loader with a very small API (Int 21h) that provided access to the filesystem.</p><p>Microsoft's second "OS" was a graphical shell with a 16-bit DOS extender, later partially upgraded to a 32-bit DOS extender called "Windows".  The DOS extender was necessary because their first OS was such a schlock piece of crap, it couldn't access any memory beyond 640K, which ought to have been enough for anybody.  It crashed more often than not, and in doing so, left its most lasting legacy, the term 'Blue Screen of Death.'</p><p>Then, after finally realizing their current crop of programmers couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag, they hired a real operating system architect from away from Digital Equipment Corp. named David Cutler, who had written VMS for his former employer, to write them a real OS.  He named his new OS after the old one, adding 1 to each letter (V=W, M=N, S=T, WNT) and so Microsoft marketroids found this out and called it Windows NT.</p><p>After releasing it to a corporate market that pretty much ignored it at first, Microsoft then proceeds to add a bunch of crap from their other "operating systems" to make NT more "user friendly".  Cutler throws his hands up and walks out the door because he just can't take that sh*t no more. As time marches on, Microsoft "new" operating system starts looking more and more like their old "operating system," gaining more and more destabilization.  And the Internet proves that Microsoft still has no idea how to write a secure Internet-worthy operating system.  None of the successive releases become useful until Service Pack 2.</p><p>Finally, just when they start getting something actually workable (Windows XP SP2), they release the bloated, annoying, and somewhat incompatible horrid piece of flopping crap known as Vista.  Everyone hates it, no one buys it, and Microsoft's stock subsequently drops, sending the rest of the tech sector down the toilet with it.</p><p>Yep.  That sounds like an improvement alright.</p><p>Should I continue ripping apart the rest of your festering pile of bullshit?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , MS is building something better than the people who built it first .
( OS , GUI , Office Tools , Chat , Browser , now Flash ) Wow !
It 's really getting deep in here .
* dons waders * .
Let 's look at comparatively at contemporary examples for the first item in your list.Microsoft 's first OS was MS-DOS .
Sure , it compared favorably to the operating system it sought to compete with , CP/M , but what about other contemporary OSes ?
I mean , it had no multitasking , no decent scripting language , no real memory management support .
No , MS-DOS was pretty much a program loader with a very small API ( Int 21h ) that provided access to the filesystem.Microsoft 's second " OS " was a graphical shell with a 16-bit DOS extender , later partially upgraded to a 32-bit DOS extender called " Windows " .
The DOS extender was necessary because their first OS was such a schlock piece of crap , it could n't access any memory beyond 640K , which ought to have been enough for anybody .
It crashed more often than not , and in doing so , left its most lasting legacy , the term 'Blue Screen of Death .
'Then , after finally realizing their current crop of programmers could n't code their way out of a wet paper bag , they hired a real operating system architect from away from Digital Equipment Corp. named David Cutler , who had written VMS for his former employer , to write them a real OS .
He named his new OS after the old one , adding 1 to each letter ( V = W , M = N , S = T , WNT ) and so Microsoft marketroids found this out and called it Windows NT.After releasing it to a corporate market that pretty much ignored it at first , Microsoft then proceeds to add a bunch of crap from their other " operating systems " to make NT more " user friendly " .
Cutler throws his hands up and walks out the door because he just ca n't take that sh * t no more .
As time marches on , Microsoft " new " operating system starts looking more and more like their old " operating system , " gaining more and more destabilization .
And the Internet proves that Microsoft still has no idea how to write a secure Internet-worthy operating system .
None of the successive releases become useful until Service Pack 2.Finally , just when they start getting something actually workable ( Windows XP SP2 ) , they release the bloated , annoying , and somewhat incompatible horrid piece of flopping crap known as Vista .
Everyone hates it , no one buys it , and Microsoft 's stock subsequently drops , sending the rest of the tech sector down the toilet with it.Yep .
That sounds like an improvement alright.Should I continue ripping apart the rest of your festering pile of bullshit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, MS is building something better than the people who built it first.
(OS, GUI, Office Tools, Chat, Browser, now Flash)Wow!
It's really getting deep in here.
*dons waders*.
Let's look at comparatively at contemporary examples for the first item in your list.Microsoft's first OS was MS-DOS.
Sure, it compared favorably to the operating system it sought to compete with, CP/M, but what about other contemporary OSes?
I mean, it had no multitasking, no decent scripting language, no real memory management support.
No, MS-DOS was pretty much a program loader with a very small API (Int 21h) that provided access to the filesystem.Microsoft's second "OS" was a graphical shell with a 16-bit DOS extender, later partially upgraded to a 32-bit DOS extender called "Windows".
The DOS extender was necessary because their first OS was such a schlock piece of crap, it couldn't access any memory beyond 640K, which ought to have been enough for anybody.
It crashed more often than not, and in doing so, left its most lasting legacy, the term 'Blue Screen of Death.
'Then, after finally realizing their current crop of programmers couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag, they hired a real operating system architect from away from Digital Equipment Corp. named David Cutler, who had written VMS for his former employer, to write them a real OS.
He named his new OS after the old one, adding 1 to each letter (V=W, M=N, S=T, WNT) and so Microsoft marketroids found this out and called it Windows NT.After releasing it to a corporate market that pretty much ignored it at first, Microsoft then proceeds to add a bunch of crap from their other "operating systems" to make NT more "user friendly".
Cutler throws his hands up and walks out the door because he just can't take that sh*t no more.
As time marches on, Microsoft "new" operating system starts looking more and more like their old "operating system," gaining more and more destabilization.
And the Internet proves that Microsoft still has no idea how to write a secure Internet-worthy operating system.
None of the successive releases become useful until Service Pack 2.Finally, just when they start getting something actually workable (Windows XP SP2), they release the bloated, annoying, and somewhat incompatible horrid piece of flopping crap known as Vista.
Everyone hates it, no one buys it, and Microsoft's stock subsequently drops, sending the rest of the tech sector down the toilet with it.Yep.
That sounds like an improvement alright.Should I continue ripping apart the rest of your festering pile of bullshit?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652603</id>
	<title>Competition is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even when that competition comes from Microsoft. We all complain - and justly so - about Microsoft's monopolistic behavior; but Adobe's "software monopoly" has allowed it to continue releasing bloated crapware across most of its product line. Flash seems to be the biggest pig in the pen, too, in terms of resources needed for what it does.</p><p>Flash's one big plus, as I see it, is its wider cross-platform availability; but given Adobe's past behavior with regards to Apple, it would not be surprising to see Adobe drop Linux support with little notice.</p><p>I don't really trust Microsoft; but having suffered through the bloat and bugginess of CS4, I say more power to them in this case. I hope Silverlight starts to make some significant headway against Flash. I'd like to see it reach (and stabilize at) somewhere around 20-40 percent of Flash's current market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even when that competition comes from Microsoft .
We all complain - and justly so - about Microsoft 's monopolistic behavior ; but Adobe 's " software monopoly " has allowed it to continue releasing bloated crapware across most of its product line .
Flash seems to be the biggest pig in the pen , too , in terms of resources needed for what it does.Flash 's one big plus , as I see it , is its wider cross-platform availability ; but given Adobe 's past behavior with regards to Apple , it would not be surprising to see Adobe drop Linux support with little notice.I do n't really trust Microsoft ; but having suffered through the bloat and bugginess of CS4 , I say more power to them in this case .
I hope Silverlight starts to make some significant headway against Flash .
I 'd like to see it reach ( and stabilize at ) somewhere around 20-40 percent of Flash 's current market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even when that competition comes from Microsoft.
We all complain - and justly so - about Microsoft's monopolistic behavior; but Adobe's "software monopoly" has allowed it to continue releasing bloated crapware across most of its product line.
Flash seems to be the biggest pig in the pen, too, in terms of resources needed for what it does.Flash's one big plus, as I see it, is its wider cross-platform availability; but given Adobe's past behavior with regards to Apple, it would not be surprising to see Adobe drop Linux support with little notice.I don't really trust Microsoft; but having suffered through the bloat and bugginess of CS4, I say more power to them in this case.
I hope Silverlight starts to make some significant headway against Flash.
I'd like to see it reach (and stabilize at) somewhere around 20-40 percent of Flash's current market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654533</id>
	<title>Extend?</title>
	<author>RobBebop</author>
	<datestamp>1247217960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<p>So now the MSFT has embraced a Flash-like technology, does this count as "extending" it?

</p><p>I trust Adobe slightly less than I trust Microsoft, but it seems like there is an "extinguish" in store for the near future.

</p><p>Are there any Open Source vector-based web-development tools that could replace or compete with either of these formats/tools?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now the MSFT has embraced a Flash-like technology , does this count as " extending " it ?
I trust Adobe slightly less than I trust Microsoft , but it seems like there is an " extinguish " in store for the near future .
Are there any Open Source vector-based web-development tools that could replace or compete with either of these formats/tools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So now the MSFT has embraced a Flash-like technology, does this count as "extending" it?
I trust Adobe slightly less than I trust Microsoft, but it seems like there is an "extinguish" in store for the near future.
Are there any Open Source vector-based web-development tools that could replace or compete with either of these formats/tools?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654023</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1247258700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Silverlight does not expose Direct3D API to the sandboxed code. It's merely an underlying technology used to render the graphics (and it is true for all versions of Silverlight on Windows). There's nothing insecure about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight does not expose Direct3D API to the sandboxed code .
It 's merely an underlying technology used to render the graphics ( and it is true for all versions of Silverlight on Windows ) .
There 's nothing insecure about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight does not expose Direct3D API to the sandboxed code.
It's merely an underlying technology used to render the graphics (and it is true for all versions of Silverlight on Windows).
There's nothing insecure about that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652695</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not three-d graphics.  It's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms.  You can make something look like it's flipping in or out, and you can do sprites, but you can't make a fully three-d game (that is, you can't rotate something around with bits sticking out).</p><p>Why not?  Because this approach gets you a bunch of cool effects without the pain of real 3D programming.</p><p>(Disclaimer: I worked on silverlight)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not three-d graphics .
It 's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms .
You can make something look like it 's flipping in or out , and you can do sprites , but you ca n't make a fully three-d game ( that is , you ca n't rotate something around with bits sticking out ) .Why not ?
Because this approach gets you a bunch of cool effects without the pain of real 3D programming .
( Disclaimer : I worked on silverlight )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not three-d graphics.
It's layered two-d graphics with interesting transforms.
You can make something look like it's flipping in or out, and you can do sprites, but you can't make a fully three-d game (that is, you can't rotate something around with bits sticking out).Why not?
Because this approach gets you a bunch of cool effects without the pain of real 3D programming.
(Disclaimer: I worked on silverlight)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28660863</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247332860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A) Why would you want a security atrocity like graphics (including vector font rendering)? Aren't there enough security holes already? If anything, we should think about banning graphics from the Web? We should also ban JavaScript.</p><p>B) Why would you want a security atrocity like a markup language? Aren't there enough security holes already? If anything, we should think about banning markup languages from the Web? We should also ban layouting.</p><p>Conclusion) It's not about the technology. It's about implementing a proper API.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) Why would you want a security atrocity like graphics ( including vector font rendering ) ?
Are n't there enough security holes already ?
If anything , we should think about banning graphics from the Web ?
We should also ban JavaScript.B ) Why would you want a security atrocity like a markup language ?
Are n't there enough security holes already ?
If anything , we should think about banning markup languages from the Web ?
We should also ban layouting.Conclusion ) It 's not about the technology .
It 's about implementing a proper API .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) Why would you want a security atrocity like graphics (including vector font rendering)?
Aren't there enough security holes already?
If anything, we should think about banning graphics from the Web?
We should also ban JavaScript.B) Why would you want a security atrocity like a markup language?
Aren't there enough security holes already?
If anything, we should think about banning markup languages from the Web?
We should also ban layouting.Conclusion) It's not about the technology.
It's about implementing a proper API.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28656495</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>Dragonshed</author>
	<datestamp>1247232240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Major League Baseball Advanced Media totally botched the transition not once, but twice. When switching from Flash to Silverlight last year their new Silverlight-based streaming player didn't work, leaving paying customers without service for days. This year they decided to switched back to a Flash-based player ON OPENING DAY. Unfortunately, the new player doesn't work either, and in many ways was worse than the silverlight player, requiring additional installation plugins for HD capabilities, and left these same paying customers without the opening day experience they're paying for two years in a row.</p><p>Also I'm sure politics played a role too.</p><p>MLB 2008<br><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/144035/mlbs\_web\_video\_strikes\_out\_on\_opening\_day.html" title="pcworld.com">http://www.pcworld.com/article/144035/mlbs\_web\_video\_strikes\_out\_on\_opening\_day.html</a> [pcworld.com]</p><p>MLB 2009<br><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/major-league-baseball-str\_b\_185158.html" title="huffingtonpost.com">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/major-league-baseball-str\_b\_185158.html</a> [huffingtonpost.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Major League Baseball Advanced Media totally botched the transition not once , but twice .
When switching from Flash to Silverlight last year their new Silverlight-based streaming player did n't work , leaving paying customers without service for days .
This year they decided to switched back to a Flash-based player ON OPENING DAY .
Unfortunately , the new player does n't work either , and in many ways was worse than the silverlight player , requiring additional installation plugins for HD capabilities , and left these same paying customers without the opening day experience they 're paying for two years in a row.Also I 'm sure politics played a role too.MLB 2008http : //www.pcworld.com/article/144035/mlbs \ _web \ _video \ _strikes \ _out \ _on \ _opening \ _day.html [ pcworld.com ] MLB 2009http : //www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/major-league-baseball-str \ _b \ _185158.html [ huffingtonpost.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Major League Baseball Advanced Media totally botched the transition not once, but twice.
When switching from Flash to Silverlight last year their new Silverlight-based streaming player didn't work, leaving paying customers without service for days.
This year they decided to switched back to a Flash-based player ON OPENING DAY.
Unfortunately, the new player doesn't work either, and in many ways was worse than the silverlight player, requiring additional installation plugins for HD capabilities, and left these same paying customers without the opening day experience they're paying for two years in a row.Also I'm sure politics played a role too.MLB 2008http://www.pcworld.com/article/144035/mlbs\_web\_video\_strikes\_out\_on\_opening\_day.html [pcworld.com]MLB 2009http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/major-league-baseball-str\_b\_185158.html [huffingtonpost.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658743</id>
	<title>Re:The Light</title>
	<author>Alistair Hutton</author>
	<datestamp>1247309640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Silverlight, although not widely used yet (less than 5\% of market), is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $1499 set of programs for development.</i>
<p>
What?  You can produce<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.SWFs with free tools.  For instance (and this is not the only one) the Adobe Flex SDK allows you to produce SWFs and it is totally free (and open source I believe).
</p><p>
I can only assume the parent post is astroturf to spread so blatant a lie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight , although not widely used yet ( less than 5 \ % of market ) , is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $ 1499 set of programs for development .
What ? You can produce .SWFs with free tools .
For instance ( and this is not the only one ) the Adobe Flex SDK allows you to produce SWFs and it is totally free ( and open source I believe ) .
I can only assume the parent post is astroturf to spread so blatant a lie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight, although not widely used yet (less than 5\% of market), is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $1499 set of programs for development.
What?  You can produce .SWFs with free tools.
For instance (and this is not the only one) the Adobe Flex SDK allows you to produce SWFs and it is totally free (and open source I believe).
I can only assume the parent post is astroturf to spread so blatant a lie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652071</id>
	<title>Fris.t stop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>= 1400 NetBSD 8evel in our gay</htmltext>
<tokenext>= 1400 NetBSD 8evel in our gay</tokentext>
<sentencetext>= 1400 NetBSD 8evel in our gay</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653001</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247254200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wether it runs in or out of the browser, silverlight is still in the same sandbox.  I don't believe there will be any significant security difference between the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wether it runs in or out of the browser , silverlight is still in the same sandbox .
I do n't believe there will be any significant security difference between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wether it runs in or out of the browser, silverlight is still in the same sandbox.
I don't believe there will be any significant security difference between the two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652555</id>
	<title>Re:Linux? Microsoft anti-competitive move?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why should MS support their competition? Why don't you Linux whiners develop your own "integrated set of application programming tools for creating compelling applications, content, and video for every possible audience"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should MS support their competition ?
Why do n't you Linux whiners develop your own " integrated set of application programming tools for creating compelling applications , content , and video for every possible audience " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should MS support their competition?
Why don't you Linux whiners develop your own "integrated set of application programming tools for creating compelling applications, content, and video for every possible audience"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654301</id>
	<title>Re:H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>miguel</author>
	<datestamp>1247216880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moonlight will have H.264, but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight will have H.264 , but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight will have H.264, but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28656211</id>
	<title>Some misleading stuff, other information</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1247229720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Smooth Streaming, an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allow</i></p><p>Though this works pretty well, the marketing description is <i>extremely</i> misleading. There is not "one" video stream. Instead the source video has been pre-encoded at several different qualities, into different files on the source, and these are switched between (I think glitchless-switching is a bit tricky so they deserve some credit there). This all according to the Microsoft representatives at NAB where they were demoing this. This does not work for live video due to the delay (it also would require multiple encoder cards). Switching according to their demo app is about once per second in very regular periods.</p><p>Another mystery is that "silverlight 1" is actually Javascript and not<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net. This makes me very mystified as to how Mono could have anything to do with Silverlight 1 working at all, when in fact it should only help Silverlight 2 and that is in much worse shape than Silverlight 1. Any explanation for this?</p><p>The NAB booth prominantly displayed that SIlverlight 3.0 video was cross-platform with "Windows, OS/X, Linux" listed by name. Interesting, but this was a booth directed at video professionals. The Microsoft rep said they are doing zero about supporting Moonlight but that "the Novell people will be working on it soon".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smooth Streaming , an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allowThough this works pretty well , the marketing description is extremely misleading .
There is not " one " video stream .
Instead the source video has been pre-encoded at several different qualities , into different files on the source , and these are switched between ( I think glitchless-switching is a bit tricky so they deserve some credit there ) .
This all according to the Microsoft representatives at NAB where they were demoing this .
This does not work for live video due to the delay ( it also would require multiple encoder cards ) .
Switching according to their demo app is about once per second in very regular periods.Another mystery is that " silverlight 1 " is actually Javascript and not .net .
This makes me very mystified as to how Mono could have anything to do with Silverlight 1 working at all , when in fact it should only help Silverlight 2 and that is in much worse shape than Silverlight 1 .
Any explanation for this ? The NAB booth prominantly displayed that SIlverlight 3.0 video was cross-platform with " Windows , OS/X , Linux " listed by name .
Interesting , but this was a booth directed at video professionals .
The Microsoft rep said they are doing zero about supporting Moonlight but that " the Novell people will be working on it soon " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smooth Streaming, an adaptive technology for playing the same H.264 video stream at the highest bitrate the device and its bandwidth limitations will allowThough this works pretty well, the marketing description is extremely misleading.
There is not "one" video stream.
Instead the source video has been pre-encoded at several different qualities, into different files on the source, and these are switched between (I think glitchless-switching is a bit tricky so they deserve some credit there).
This all according to the Microsoft representatives at NAB where they were demoing this.
This does not work for live video due to the delay (it also would require multiple encoder cards).
Switching according to their demo app is about once per second in very regular periods.Another mystery is that "silverlight 1" is actually Javascript and not .net.
This makes me very mystified as to how Mono could have anything to do with Silverlight 1 working at all, when in fact it should only help Silverlight 2 and that is in much worse shape than Silverlight 1.
Any explanation for this?The NAB booth prominantly displayed that SIlverlight 3.0 video was cross-platform with "Windows, OS/X, Linux" listed by name.
Interesting, but this was a booth directed at video professionals.
The Microsoft rep said they are doing zero about supporting Moonlight but that "the Novell people will be working on it soon".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654483</id>
	<title>Re:Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>AppleOSuX</author>
	<datestamp>1247217600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, what would really kill Microsoft is if Adobe decided to integrate C# into Flash.</p><p>Remember how upset Microsoft got when some small company demonstrated a program that compiled C# winforms projects into a Flash program? The *immediately* bought that company and killed the technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , what would really kill Microsoft is if Adobe decided to integrate C # into Flash.Remember how upset Microsoft got when some small company demonstrated a program that compiled C # winforms projects into a Flash program ?
The * immediately * bought that company and killed the technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, what would really kill Microsoft is if Adobe decided to integrate C# into Flash.Remember how upset Microsoft got when some small company demonstrated a program that compiled C# winforms projects into a Flash program?
The *immediately* bought that company and killed the technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653525</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1247256360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my opinion, Flash is only marginally better. If yours isn't one of the platforms supported by Macromedia, you're still SOL. It just happens to be that Macromedia supports more platforms than Microsoft.</p><p>On the other hand, I have the impression that, if you want to or need to use open source software (e.g. because your platform isn't supported by the closed-source implementation), you're better off with Silverlight. Not to knock the hard work of the folks developing open source Flash players, but I've never been impressed by their quality or compatibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion , Flash is only marginally better .
If yours is n't one of the platforms supported by Macromedia , you 're still SOL .
It just happens to be that Macromedia supports more platforms than Microsoft.On the other hand , I have the impression that , if you want to or need to use open source software ( e.g .
because your platform is n't supported by the closed-source implementation ) , you 're better off with Silverlight .
Not to knock the hard work of the folks developing open source Flash players , but I 've never been impressed by their quality or compatibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion, Flash is only marginally better.
If yours isn't one of the platforms supported by Macromedia, you're still SOL.
It just happens to be that Macromedia supports more platforms than Microsoft.On the other hand, I have the impression that, if you want to or need to use open source software (e.g.
because your platform isn't supported by the closed-source implementation), you're better off with Silverlight.
Not to knock the hard work of the folks developing open source Flash players, but I've never been impressed by their quality or compatibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651855</id>
	<title>3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247249880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3D graphics support does sound interesting, specially when thinking how many flash games there are out but how they lack better graphics. Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3D graphics support does sound interesting , specially when thinking how many flash games there are out but how they lack better graphics .
Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3D graphics support does sound interesting, specially when thinking how many flash games there are out but how they lack better graphics.
Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652757</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1247253420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We aren't speaking about the average driver. We are speaking about the guiness book world records champion of car crashing. The one that created not one, but several industries categories to mitigate and try to prevent how badly specifically it crash and how much innocent casualties it provokes.<br><br>Now it took a new car, and will start driving again in the highways, promising again as every time before that will not crash, ever. Is so weird to start wondering if will crash again?</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are n't speaking about the average driver .
We are speaking about the guiness book world records champion of car crashing .
The one that created not one , but several industries categories to mitigate and try to prevent how badly specifically it crash and how much innocent casualties it provokes.Now it took a new car , and will start driving again in the highways , promising again as every time before that will not crash , ever .
Is so weird to start wondering if will crash again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We aren't speaking about the average driver.
We are speaking about the guiness book world records champion of car crashing.
The one that created not one, but several industries categories to mitigate and try to prevent how badly specifically it crash and how much innocent casualties it provokes.Now it took a new car, and will start driving again in the highways, promising again as every time before that will not crash, ever.
Is so weird to start wondering if will crash again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652353</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1247251740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What difference does running in a browser make?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What difference does running in a browser make ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What difference does running in a browser make?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653687</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>gintoki</author>
	<datestamp>1247256960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you got that slightly wrong....celebrating with a party when windows dies (not likely) is not being a nerd/geek. We call that being a fanboy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you got that slightly wrong....celebrating with a party when windows dies ( not likely ) is not being a nerd/geek .
We call that being a fanboy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you got that slightly wrong....celebrating with a party when windows dies (not likely) is not being a nerd/geek.
We call that being a fanboy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654539</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247218020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.</p><p>They've even caught up with Silverlight 3.0.</p><p><a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-24-1.html" title="tirania.org" rel="nofollow">http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-24-1.html</a> [tirania.org]</p><p>Fraking trolls....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes.They 've even caught up with Silverlight 3.0.http : //tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-24-1.html [ tirania.org ] Fraking trolls... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.They've even caught up with Silverlight 3.0.http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-24-1.html [tirania.org]Fraking trolls....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653043</id>
	<title>Re:H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247254380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excel produces CSV files which work with Linux.  Word produces RTF files that work with Linux!  Who says Microsoft doesn't embrace open standards..   Ok that was sarcastic....  Really the strategy Microsoft pursues is to make a very pathetic subset of features available to competing platforms via badly implemented or minimal standards, but if you want to upgrade to "real" computing you have to use all Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excel produces CSV files which work with Linux .
Word produces RTF files that work with Linux !
Who says Microsoft does n't embrace open standards.. Ok that was sarcastic.... Really the strategy Microsoft pursues is to make a very pathetic subset of features available to competing platforms via badly implemented or minimal standards , but if you want to upgrade to " real " computing you have to use all Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excel produces CSV files which work with Linux.
Word produces RTF files that work with Linux!
Who says Microsoft doesn't embrace open standards..   Ok that was sarcastic....  Really the strategy Microsoft pursues is to make a very pathetic subset of features available to competing platforms via badly implemented or minimal standards, but if you want to upgrade to "real" computing you have to use all Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653191</id>
	<title>Re:Linux? Microsoft anti-competitive move?</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1247255040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Their history of anti-competitive suits, fines, and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows.</i>
</p><p>Can you provide an example of Microsoft preventing another company's software from running on Windows ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their history of anti-competitive suits , fines , and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows .
Can you provide an example of Microsoft preventing another company 's software from running on Windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Their history of anti-competitive suits, fines, and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows.
Can you provide an example of Microsoft preventing another company's software from running on Windows ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651887</id>
	<title>Hey! I like my "dinky"!</title>
	<author>S7urm</author>
	<datestamp>1247250120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>............oh wait</p><p>your referring to a cellphone aren't you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>............oh waityour referring to a cellphone are n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>............oh waityour referring to a cellphone aren't you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653077</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1247254560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully.</i></p><p>Like... what?</p><p>If I download a SWF file to my desktop, and run it by double-clicking it, is it somehow less secure than if I run it in a browser?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully.Like... what ? If I download a SWF file to my desktop , and run it by double-clicking it , is it somehow less secure than if I run it in a browser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully.Like... what?If I download a SWF file to my desktop, and run it by double-clicking it, is it somehow less secure than if I run it in a browser?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28681979</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support (if you can install it)</title>
	<author>emailandthings</author>
	<datestamp>1247476860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>bah... POS!

Message ID: 1512

Silverlight installation failed because upgrading Silverlight for Developers requires the latest Silverlight for Developers installer.

If you are not a developer and want to avoid this error in the future, follow these steps:

    * Close your browser.
    * Uninstall Silverlight by following the Silverlight Uninstall Instructions.
    * Download and install the latest version of Silverlight.</htmltext>
<tokenext>bah... POS ! Message ID : 1512 Silverlight installation failed because upgrading Silverlight for Developers requires the latest Silverlight for Developers installer .
If you are not a developer and want to avoid this error in the future , follow these steps : * Close your browser .
* Uninstall Silverlight by following the Silverlight Uninstall Instructions .
* Download and install the latest version of Silverlight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bah... POS!

Message ID: 1512

Silverlight installation failed because upgrading Silverlight for Developers requires the latest Silverlight for Developers installer.
If you are not a developer and want to avoid this error in the future, follow these steps:

    * Close your browser.
* Uninstall Silverlight by following the Silverlight Uninstall Instructions.
* Download and install the latest version of Silverlight.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658827</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>m1xram</author>
	<datestamp>1247311680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, would rather see a cross platform standards compliant &lt;video&gt; tag. Mostly because there is no Direct/Active X in any of my boxes and partly because it would be better for all web sites to work the same with all browsers. That's probably too much to hope for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , would rather see a cross platform standards compliant tag .
Mostly because there is no Direct/Active X in any of my boxes and partly because it would be better for all web sites to work the same with all browsers .
That 's probably too much to hope for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, would rather see a cross platform standards compliant  tag.
Mostly because there is no Direct/Active X in any of my boxes and partly because it would be better for all web sites to work the same with all browsers.
That's probably too much to hope for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653155</id>
	<title>MSochists....</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1247254920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There must be a group of masochists over at MS.  Apps outside the browser?  Are they insane.  I'm sure the sample exploit code is already out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There must be a group of masochists over at MS. Apps outside the browser ?
Are they insane .
I 'm sure the sample exploit code is already out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must be a group of masochists over at MS.  Apps outside the browser?
Are they insane.
I'm sure the sample exploit code is already out there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655163</id>
	<title>But again, what about Silverlight?</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1247221800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nevermind Moonlight, even Silverlight can't keep up with itself.  The OS X version isn't even in sync.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nevermind Moonlight , even Silverlight ca n't keep up with itself .
The OS X version is n't even in sync .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nevermind Moonlight, even Silverlight can't keep up with itself.
The OS X version isn't even in sync.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658087</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>hullabalucination</author>
	<datestamp>1247254560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Moonlight is always hot on their heels [tirania.org].</p></div></blockquote><p>I've got Moonlight 1.0.1 installed with Firefox 3.5 on Fedora and so far, I've not been able to find a single Silverlight/Moonlight demo which will work, even when I go to a Moonlight 1.0-specific demo site.</p><p>Most things just display that silly "Install Microsoft(R) Silverlight(TM)" button. Other demos don't even get that far.</p><p>Impressive. Truly impressive.</p><p>\_ \_ \_</p><p> <i>I'd horse whip you, but I don't have a horse!<br>
&mdash;Groucho Marx</i> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels [ tirania.org ] .I 've got Moonlight 1.0.1 installed with Firefox 3.5 on Fedora and so far , I 've not been able to find a single Silverlight/Moonlight demo which will work , even when I go to a Moonlight 1.0-specific demo site.Most things just display that silly " Install Microsoft ( R ) Silverlight ( TM ) " button .
Other demos do n't even get that far.Impressive .
Truly impressive. \ _ \ _ \ _ I 'd horse whip you , but I do n't have a horse !
   Groucho Marx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels [tirania.org].I've got Moonlight 1.0.1 installed with Firefox 3.5 on Fedora and so far, I've not been able to find a single Silverlight/Moonlight demo which will work, even when I go to a Moonlight 1.0-specific demo site.Most things just display that silly "Install Microsoft(R) Silverlight(TM)" button.
Other demos don't even get that far.Impressive.
Truly impressive.\_ \_ \_ I'd horse whip you, but I don't have a horse!
—Groucho Marx 
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652795</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do a search on "netflix tearing".... If all movies would just limit their object movement and panning to the vertical plane Silverlight would be perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do a search on " netflix tearing " .... If all movies would just limit their object movement and panning to the vertical plane Silverlight would be perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do a search on "netflix tearing".... If all movies would just limit their object movement and panning to the vertical plane Silverlight would be perfect.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28660783</id>
	<title>Real Player all over again?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247332440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD. If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video.</p></div><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but i distinctively remember that being a feature of the Real Server and Real Player, back in the days before videos were piped trough Flash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if you 've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe , you 'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD .
If you 've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service , you 'll see a constrained version of the same video.Correct me if I 'm wrong , but i distinctively remember that being a feature of the Real Server and Real Player , back in the days before videos were piped trough Flash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD.
If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video.Correct me if I'm wrong, but i distinctively remember that being a feature of the Real Server and Real Player, back in the days before videos were piped trough Flash.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652691</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of <b>undressed</b> issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.</p></div><p> <i>undressed</i> issues? Cool!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing is , that though the feature list sounds impressive , there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology .
undressed issues ?
Cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.
undressed issues?
Cool!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651937</id>
	<title>Linux? Microsoft anti-competitive move?</title>
	<author>rlh100</author>
	<datestamp>1247250300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it run under Linux (not Moonlight) and if so is it not a trash port that is wonky with poor performance?</p><p>If it does not run under Linux could this be considered an anti-competitive move by Microsoft to keep Linux out of the desktop or netbook market?</p><p>Inquiring minds want to know</p><p>RLH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it run under Linux ( not Moonlight ) and if so is it not a trash port that is wonky with poor performance ? If it does not run under Linux could this be considered an anti-competitive move by Microsoft to keep Linux out of the desktop or netbook market ? Inquiring minds want to knowRLH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it run under Linux (not Moonlight) and if so is it not a trash port that is wonky with poor performance?If it does not run under Linux could this be considered an anti-competitive move by Microsoft to keep Linux out of the desktop or netbook market?Inquiring minds want to knowRLH</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652409</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1247251980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose, if you only read the sentence and then never bother to look into how SL handles this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose , if you only read the sentence and then never bother to look into how SL handles this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose, if you only read the sentence and then never bother to look into how SL handles this...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659235</id>
	<title>Re:Some actually do</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247320080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That page you reference requires Silverlight and it doesn't work under PPC.</p><p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx?reason=macPPC&amp;v=2.0" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx?reason=macPPC&amp;v=2.0</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>Not just that, idiots still keep publishing Webkit incompatible pages.  Microsoft logo is exactly on "Privacy Policy" text.</p><p>Do you know how easy to make a major media company to "support" your product? Give its IT manager some money under the table, give free servers, give a entire fscking grid for free. Right under this story "related items" you will see companies gave up Silverlight because of its horrible performance.</p><p>It is not racing with "VLC media plugin", it is racing or daring to race with THIS</p><p>"72\% of online videos are viewed worldwide using Adobe Flash technology, making it the #1 technology for video on the web.*<br>99\% of Internet-enabled desktops can view content compatible with Adobe Flash Player." (Adobe)</p><p>And the only actual, working, supported plugin is coded for Windows. In this age when people asks the very same desktop apps on their smart phones, iphone. They can't even support PowerPC, their code is tied to i386 and Windows in this ARM/MIPS/OS X/Linux/BSD circus.</p><p>Let me tell the unfortunate truth. There is no money to spend in media industry to Microsoft's another "Me too" junk. People had their lesson with Windows Media while converting millions of hours to h264 later. Silverlight is only interesting to some idiots who thinks they can get a job at MS as if Ballmer reads slashdot comments and browses some stupid open source sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That page you reference requires Silverlight and it does n't work under PPC.http : //www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx ? reason = macPPC&amp;v = 2.0 [ microsoft.com ] Not just that , idiots still keep publishing Webkit incompatible pages .
Microsoft logo is exactly on " Privacy Policy " text.Do you know how easy to make a major media company to " support " your product ?
Give its IT manager some money under the table , give free servers , give a entire fscking grid for free .
Right under this story " related items " you will see companies gave up Silverlight because of its horrible performance.It is not racing with " VLC media plugin " , it is racing or daring to race with THIS " 72 \ % of online videos are viewed worldwide using Adobe Flash technology , making it the # 1 technology for video on the web .
* 99 \ % of Internet-enabled desktops can view content compatible with Adobe Flash Player .
" ( Adobe ) And the only actual , working , supported plugin is coded for Windows .
In this age when people asks the very same desktop apps on their smart phones , iphone .
They ca n't even support PowerPC , their code is tied to i386 and Windows in this ARM/MIPS/OS X/Linux/BSD circus.Let me tell the unfortunate truth .
There is no money to spend in media industry to Microsoft 's another " Me too " junk .
People had their lesson with Windows Media while converting millions of hours to h264 later .
Silverlight is only interesting to some idiots who thinks they can get a job at MS as if Ballmer reads slashdot comments and browses some stupid open source sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That page you reference requires Silverlight and it doesn't work under PPC.http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx?reason=macPPC&amp;v=2.0 [microsoft.com]Not just that, idiots still keep publishing Webkit incompatible pages.
Microsoft logo is exactly on "Privacy Policy" text.Do you know how easy to make a major media company to "support" your product?
Give its IT manager some money under the table, give free servers, give a entire fscking grid for free.
Right under this story "related items" you will see companies gave up Silverlight because of its horrible performance.It is not racing with "VLC media plugin", it is racing or daring to race with THIS"72\% of online videos are viewed worldwide using Adobe Flash technology, making it the #1 technology for video on the web.
*99\% of Internet-enabled desktops can view content compatible with Adobe Flash Player.
" (Adobe)And the only actual, working, supported plugin is coded for Windows.
In this age when people asks the very same desktop apps on their smart phones, iphone.
They can't even support PowerPC, their code is tied to i386 and Windows in this ARM/MIPS/OS X/Linux/BSD circus.Let me tell the unfortunate truth.
There is no money to spend in media industry to Microsoft's another "Me too" junk.
People had their lesson with Windows Media while converting millions of hours to h264 later.
Silverlight is only interesting to some idiots who thinks they can get a job at MS as if Ballmer reads slashdot comments and browses some stupid open source sites.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652863</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine.</p><p>Develop for the lowest common denominator, and things will work on both platforms.  Also consider that not all Silverlight users will be using 3.0 immediately after its release.</p><p>HTML5 will be released soon, but likely won't be implemented in the wild for another 3-4 years until most users are running supported browsers.  CSS existed for several years before it was considered "safe" to use on a production site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine.Develop for the lowest common denominator , and things will work on both platforms .
Also consider that not all Silverlight users will be using 3.0 immediately after its release.HTML5 will be released soon , but likely wo n't be implemented in the wild for another 3-4 years until most users are running supported browsers .
CSS existed for several years before it was considered " safe " to use on a production site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine.Develop for the lowest common denominator, and things will work on both platforms.
Also consider that not all Silverlight users will be using 3.0 immediately after its release.HTML5 will be released soon, but likely won't be implemented in the wild for another 3-4 years until most users are running supported browsers.
CSS existed for several years before it was considered "safe" to use on a production site.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652723</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1247253240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No.  Not too many people.  I mean, who watches the Olympics?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Not too many people .
I mean , who watches the Olympics ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Not too many people.
I mean, who watches the Olympics?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652075</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652565</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>repka</author>
	<datestamp>1247252640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web?   We should also ban ActiveX.</p></div><p>And flash, and flash!!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...with other Adobe products</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything , we should think about banning DirectX from the Web ?
We should also ban ActiveX.And flash , and flash ! ! !
...with other Adobe products</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web?
We should also ban ActiveX.And flash, and flash!!!
...with other Adobe products
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653091</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>slack\_justyb</author>
	<datestamp>1247254560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>that if new version of moonlight can't keep up with the updated version of silverlight...</p></div><p>
God bless you man.  However, I doubt anybody in the Mono camp would listen to you.  In fact, here recently, they'll take anyone not bowing before the almighty Mono platform up to the stake to burn.
<br> <br>
But flames aside, this is the core reason why de Icaza is way on the wrong foot with his platform.  All it does is show people why the Linux platform is not the best platform to develop on, it's always five or six steps behind MS on everything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>that if new version of moonlight ca n't keep up with the updated version of silverlight.. . God bless you man .
However , I doubt anybody in the Mono camp would listen to you .
In fact , here recently , they 'll take anyone not bowing before the almighty Mono platform up to the stake to burn .
But flames aside , this is the core reason why de Icaza is way on the wrong foot with his platform .
All it does is show people why the Linux platform is not the best platform to develop on , it 's always five or six steps behind MS on everything .NET .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that if new version of moonlight can't keep up with the updated version of silverlight...
God bless you man.
However, I doubt anybody in the Mono camp would listen to you.
In fact, here recently, they'll take anyone not bowing before the almighty Mono platform up to the stake to burn.
But flames aside, this is the core reason why de Icaza is way on the wrong foot with his platform.
All it does is show people why the Linux platform is not the best platform to develop on, it's always five or six steps behind MS on everything .NET.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652897</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247253840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...been impressive when compared to Flash?  Really?  Then why did <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023\_3-10098963-93.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash</a> [cnet.com]?   I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess, and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.</p><p>That said, the ability to <a href="http://silverlight.net/samples/sl2/ruby-clock/index.html" title="silverlight.net" rel="nofollow">write Silverlight apps in Ruby</a> [silverlight.net] is interesting.</p></div><p>Because so many more people already have flash installed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...been impressive when compared to Flash ?
Really ? Then why did mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash [ cnet.com ] ?
I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess , and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.That said , the ability to write Silverlight apps in Ruby [ silverlight.net ] is interesting.Because so many more people already have flash installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...been impressive when compared to Flash?
Really?  Then why did mlb.com switch from Silverlight to Flash [cnet.com]?
I remember when they did this - I had unsubscribed because the Silverlight player was such a mess, and I went back and signed up for the rest of the season.That said, the ability to write Silverlight apps in Ruby [silverlight.net] is interesting.Because so many more people already have flash installed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653789</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>arse maker</author>
	<datestamp>1247257500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Definately, we should never leave our homes.. its dangerous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Definately , we should never leave our homes.. its dangerous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definately, we should never leave our homes.. its dangerous!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658375</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247345880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm 95\% sure he's confusing DirectX with ActiveX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm 95 \ % sure he 's confusing DirectX with ActiveX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm 95\% sure he's confusing DirectX with ActiveX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651879</id>
	<title>And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>PrescriptionWarning</author>
	<datestamp>1247250120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think one of the most reasonable concerns against the rising usage of silverlight, and therefore the need for moonlight for linux, is that if new version of moonlight can't keep up with the updated version of silverlight then its not the multiplatform wonder that it should be to be competitive with flash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think one of the most reasonable concerns against the rising usage of silverlight , and therefore the need for moonlight for linux , is that if new version of moonlight ca n't keep up with the updated version of silverlight then its not the multiplatform wonder that it should be to be competitive with flash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think one of the most reasonable concerns against the rising usage of silverlight, and therefore the need for moonlight for linux, is that if new version of moonlight can't keep up with the updated version of silverlight then its not the multiplatform wonder that it should be to be competitive with flash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653827</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>arse maker</author>
	<datestamp>1247257740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol</p><p>Microsoft started the software industry. Even if you hate them, who cares?</p><p>Ignore them. What sort of empty person cares so much about the failure of company they dont like?</p><p>BG has never come over and ass raped you.. yet</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lolMicrosoft started the software industry .
Even if you hate them , who cares ? Ignore them .
What sort of empty person cares so much about the failure of company they dont like ? BG has never come over and ass raped you.. yet</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lolMicrosoft started the software industry.
Even if you hate them, who cares?Ignore them.
What sort of empty person cares so much about the failure of company they dont like?BG has never come over and ass raped you.. yet</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652319</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Moonlight is always <a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-24-1.html" title="tirania.org" rel="nofollow">hot on their heels</a> [tirania.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels [ tirania.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels [tirania.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28666213</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1247395080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Moonlight is always hot on their heels.</p></div></blockquote><p>Only for as long as MS chooses to let them follow.</p><p>The existence of Moonlight is entirely at the discretion and whim of Microsoft.</p><p>Been there, done that.  No thanks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels.Only for as long as MS chooses to let them follow.The existence of Moonlight is entirely at the discretion and whim of Microsoft.Been there , done that .
No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight is always hot on their heels.Only for as long as MS chooses to let them follow.The existence of Moonlight is entirely at the discretion and whim of Microsoft.Been there, done that.
No thanks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28657303</id>
	<title>No offline installer for Silverlight Tools?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm interested in trying out Silverlight for the first time, so I downloaded the SDK and of course that does nothing by itself. So I read a bit more and it said to uninstall the SDK and get Silverlight Tools as an addon for Visual Web Developer. So I installed VWD and then tried installing the tools. Unfortunately the 32MB Silverlight Tools installer just sits there trying to connect to a non-existent internet.</p><p>Has anyone found an OFFLINE installer so I can actually see what the fuss is about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm interested in trying out Silverlight for the first time , so I downloaded the SDK and of course that does nothing by itself .
So I read a bit more and it said to uninstall the SDK and get Silverlight Tools as an addon for Visual Web Developer .
So I installed VWD and then tried installing the tools .
Unfortunately the 32MB Silverlight Tools installer just sits there trying to connect to a non-existent internet.Has anyone found an OFFLINE installer so I can actually see what the fuss is about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm interested in trying out Silverlight for the first time, so I downloaded the SDK and of course that does nothing by itself.
So I read a bit more and it said to uninstall the SDK and get Silverlight Tools as an addon for Visual Web Developer.
So I installed VWD and then tried installing the tools.
Unfortunately the 32MB Silverlight Tools installer just sits there trying to connect to a non-existent internet.Has anyone found an OFFLINE installer so I can actually see what the fuss is about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653459</id>
	<title>Re:H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247256120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason is that they transfer the license with the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.dll's that decode the video. These dll's are free as in beer and obviously only suited for x86. So Moonlight cannot rely on them because of its GPL nature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason is that they transfer the license with the .dll 's that decode the video .
These dll 's are free as in beer and obviously only suited for x86 .
So Moonlight can not rely on them because of its GPL nature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason is that they transfer the license with the .dll's that decode the video.
These dll's are free as in beer and obviously only suited for x86.
So Moonlight cannot rely on them because of its GPL nature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654981</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>18\_Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1247220600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's because it was a crappily designed PLAYER. The underlying video technology was fine, but whoever created that player really screwed it up. My former company was able to make some very cool Silverlight 2.0 players.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because it was a crappily designed PLAYER .
The underlying video technology was fine , but whoever created that player really screwed it up .
My former company was able to make some very cool Silverlight 2.0 players .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because it was a crappily designed PLAYER.
The underlying video technology was fine, but whoever created that player really screwed it up.
My former company was able to make some very cool Silverlight 2.0 players.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655325</id>
	<title>http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight</title>
	<author>Kickasso</author>
	<datestamp>1247222820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Currently support for Silverlight 2.0 is in pre-Alpha stage</p></div></blockquote><p>
Sigh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently support for Silverlight 2.0 is in pre-Alpha stage Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently support for Silverlight 2.0 is in pre-Alpha stage
Sigh.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28657809</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247249040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VB and classic ASP were abominations. I think everybody here can agree that they deserve the cold treatment they're getting now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VB and classic ASP were abominations .
I think everybody here can agree that they deserve the cold treatment they 're getting now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VB and classic ASP were abominations.
I think everybody here can agree that they deserve the cold treatment they're getting now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654351</id>
	<title>My first thought:</title>
	<author>DigitalSorceress</author>
	<datestamp>1247217120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will turn out well....</p><p>Seriously, I realize I'm being a curmudgeon, but I've thus far completely avoided Silverlight. This new development just reinforces my feelings that I made the right move.</p><p>Time will tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will turn out well....Seriously , I realize I 'm being a curmudgeon , but I 've thus far completely avoided Silverlight .
This new development just reinforces my feelings that I made the right move.Time will tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will turn out well....Seriously, I realize I'm being a curmudgeon, but I've thus far completely avoided Silverlight.
This new development just reinforces my feelings that I made the right move.Time will tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652237</id>
	<title>H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>reginaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1247251320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The one step up I see that Silverlight 3 has is licensing for H.264 codecs.  Microsoft has the deep pockets to purchase licensing such as this.  <br> <br>

It is interesting that Moonlight is not currently pursuing H.264, which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one step up I see that Silverlight 3 has is licensing for H.264 codecs .
Microsoft has the deep pockets to purchase licensing such as this .
It is interesting that Moonlight is not currently pursuing H.264 , which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one step up I see that Silverlight 3 has is licensing for H.264 codecs.
Microsoft has the deep pockets to purchase licensing such as this.
It is interesting that Moonlight is not currently pursuing H.264, which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655417</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1247223540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability.</i> <p>
That may be how the Internet looks to the geek.</p><p> But there are a growing number of "gated communities" that simply use the net as a connecting link:</p><p> Steam. Netflix. YouTube, MySpace, WoW and so on.</p><p>
<i>Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.</i> </p><p>
Until your boss gives you your marching orders.</p><p>
Market share matters to him because that is what keeps his company and his clients in business.</p><p> If he needs Flash or Silverlight to remain competitive so be it.</p><p>
<i>I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).</i> </p><p>
It interests me that the geek who trumpets the least show of innovation and experimentation elsewhere expects Microsoft to remain static.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about : interoperability .
That may be how the Internet looks to the geek .
But there are a growing number of " gated communities " that simply use the net as a connecting link : Steam .
Netflix. YouTube , MySpace , WoW and so on .
Now I know , someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users do n't care , but you see , most users also do n't write applications , and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people , you are going nowhere .
Until your boss gives you your marching orders .
Market share matters to him because that is what keeps his company and his clients in business .
If he needs Flash or Silverlight to remain competitive so be it .
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development ( see VB , classic ASP and so forth ) .
It interests me that the geek who trumpets the least show of innovation and experimentation elsewhere expects Microsoft to remain static .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability.
That may be how the Internet looks to the geek.
But there are a growing number of "gated communities" that simply use the net as a connecting link: Steam.
Netflix. YouTube, MySpace, WoW and so on.
Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.
Until your boss gives you your marching orders.
Market share matters to him because that is what keeps his company and his clients in business.
If he needs Flash or Silverlight to remain competitive so be it.
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).
It interests me that the geek who trumpets the least show of innovation and experimentation elsewhere expects Microsoft to remain static.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652393</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My linux-based PVR can't run Netflix on demand because it's silverlight-based</p></div></blockquote><p>Virtualbox running windows does it for me. Not sure how you'd set that up on a PVR, but I watch netflix in using Linux on a desktop that way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My linux-based PVR ca n't run Netflix on demand because it 's silverlight-basedVirtualbox running windows does it for me .
Not sure how you 'd set that up on a PVR , but I watch netflix in using Linux on a desktop that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My linux-based PVR can't run Netflix on demand because it's silverlight-basedVirtualbox running windows does it for me.
Not sure how you'd set that up on a PVR, but I watch netflix in using Linux on a desktop that way.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652247</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1247251320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... that will add nothing new, etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Did you actually even read the summary? It listed lots of new features that dont exist in Flash, so I dont think it "doesn't add anything new".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... that will add nothing new , etc .
...Did you actually even read the summary ?
It listed lots of new features that dont exist in Flash , so I dont think it " does n't add anything new " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that will add nothing new, etc.
...Did you actually even read the summary?
It listed lots of new features that dont exist in Flash, so I dont think it "doesn't add anything new".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652073</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>Delusion\_</author>
	<datestamp>1247250780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to think Silverlight was unnecessary and not useful to me.  Then I found Visifire and have had to admit, whether or not Visifire could have been done in Flash isn't so much relevant to me as the fact that this is very useful software to me, and if that means installing Silverlight, so be it.  I don't use it for web usage (I'm using it to create static images, not live graphs), so whether Silverlight has a future as a general web platform isn't an issue for me.</p><p>Having said that, I suspect it won't, just because Flash is such a juggernaut, for all its flaws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to think Silverlight was unnecessary and not useful to me .
Then I found Visifire and have had to admit , whether or not Visifire could have been done in Flash is n't so much relevant to me as the fact that this is very useful software to me , and if that means installing Silverlight , so be it .
I do n't use it for web usage ( I 'm using it to create static images , not live graphs ) , so whether Silverlight has a future as a general web platform is n't an issue for me.Having said that , I suspect it wo n't , just because Flash is such a juggernaut , for all its flaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to think Silverlight was unnecessary and not useful to me.
Then I found Visifire and have had to admit, whether or not Visifire could have been done in Flash isn't so much relevant to me as the fact that this is very useful software to me, and if that means installing Silverlight, so be it.
I don't use it for web usage (I'm using it to create static images, not live graphs), so whether Silverlight has a future as a general web platform isn't an issue for me.Having said that, I suspect it won't, just because Flash is such a juggernaut, for all its flaws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652739</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1247253300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe has yet to release a stable 64b Flash player for Linux. So Flash isn't a multiplatform wonder, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe has yet to release a stable 64b Flash player for Linux .
So Flash is n't a multiplatform wonder , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe has yet to release a stable 64b Flash player for Linux.
So Flash isn't a multiplatform wonder, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652455</id>
	<title>Re:Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take it you don't have a vested interest in developing web based apps? Silverlight helps make tasks that were previously very complicated, into something much easier to handle.</p><p>More importantly, Silverlight is getting attention in the corporate world, from companies who are looking to develop their Intranet (what I do for a living). They often demand comprehensive graphing, hierarchy visualizations, streaming quarterly calls, etc... tasks that were previously "challenging" to implement with Flash or JavaScript. With Silverlight these tasks are much easier, and therefore cheaper, to develop, which has been netting me a lot more contracts of late.</p><p>Stereotypes are fatal in the business world, just because Microsoft does not make a top notch OS (I'm writing this on a Linux box) does not mean you should immediately invalidate all of their products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it you do n't have a vested interest in developing web based apps ?
Silverlight helps make tasks that were previously very complicated , into something much easier to handle.More importantly , Silverlight is getting attention in the corporate world , from companies who are looking to develop their Intranet ( what I do for a living ) .
They often demand comprehensive graphing , hierarchy visualizations , streaming quarterly calls , etc... tasks that were previously " challenging " to implement with Flash or JavaScript .
With Silverlight these tasks are much easier , and therefore cheaper , to develop , which has been netting me a lot more contracts of late.Stereotypes are fatal in the business world , just because Microsoft does not make a top notch OS ( I 'm writing this on a Linux box ) does not mean you should immediately invalidate all of their products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it you don't have a vested interest in developing web based apps?
Silverlight helps make tasks that were previously very complicated, into something much easier to handle.More importantly, Silverlight is getting attention in the corporate world, from companies who are looking to develop their Intranet (what I do for a living).
They often demand comprehensive graphing, hierarchy visualizations, streaming quarterly calls, etc... tasks that were previously "challenging" to implement with Flash or JavaScript.
With Silverlight these tasks are much easier, and therefore cheaper, to develop, which has been netting me a lot more contracts of late.Stereotypes are fatal in the business world, just because Microsoft does not make a top notch OS (I'm writing this on a Linux box) does not mean you should immediately invalidate all of their products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652005</id>
	<title>Oh yeah!</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1247250540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Woohoo party!  Wait,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...has Mono's Moonlight even caught up with Silverlight 2.0 yet?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Nope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Woohoo party !
Wait , ...has Mono 's Moonlight even caught up with Silverlight 2.0 yet ?
..Nope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Woohoo party!
Wait, ...has Mono's Moonlight even caught up with Silverlight 2.0 yet?
..Nope.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653841</id>
	<title>Re:Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247257800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flex SDK is Open Source...</p><p>http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200704/042607Flex.html</p><p>From the article: <i>"The open source Flex SDK and documentation will be available under the Mozilla Public License (MPL)."</i> </p><p>Flex compiles as a swf and is viewed via player flash player or projector. I am failing to see this as not being an open source of flash.</p><p>Is it not flash because you don't have a timeline taking up valuable IDE space? All the timeline does is give the "creative minded graphics person" a way to understand event-driven development so that they don't have to dilute their "creative essence" with real functional knowledge.</p><p>And I can be honest and say, if you want to create fruity little movies animated in flash, then flex is not for you and you should be force to fork over money for clogging the interwebs with crap..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flex SDK is Open Source...http : //www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200704/042607Flex.htmlFrom the article : " The open source Flex SDK and documentation will be available under the Mozilla Public License ( MPL ) .
" Flex compiles as a swf and is viewed via player flash player or projector .
I am failing to see this as not being an open source of flash.Is it not flash because you do n't have a timeline taking up valuable IDE space ?
All the timeline does is give the " creative minded graphics person " a way to understand event-driven development so that they do n't have to dilute their " creative essence " with real functional knowledge.And I can be honest and say , if you want to create fruity little movies animated in flash , then flex is not for you and you should be force to fork over money for clogging the interwebs with crap. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flex SDK is Open Source...http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200704/042607Flex.htmlFrom the article: "The open source Flex SDK and documentation will be available under the Mozilla Public License (MPL).
" Flex compiles as a swf and is viewed via player flash player or projector.
I am failing to see this as not being an open source of flash.Is it not flash because you don't have a timeline taking up valuable IDE space?
All the timeline does is give the "creative minded graphics person" a way to understand event-driven development so that they don't have to dilute their "creative essence" with real functional knowledge.And I can be honest and say, if you want to create fruity little movies animated in flash, then flex is not for you and you should be force to fork over money for clogging the interwebs with crap..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652557</id>
	<title>Re:H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>Ardaen</author>
	<datestamp>1247252580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation.</p></div><p>That would be consistent with their business strategy. So the answer is probably "Yes, they are gimping the implimentation of thier silverlight system that runs on competing platforms by implimenting features requiring incompatible licensing rather than using one of the less expensive alternatives."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation.That would be consistent with their business strategy .
So the answer is probably " Yes , they are gimping the implimentation of thier silverlight system that runs on competing platforms by implimenting features requiring incompatible licensing rather than using one of the less expensive alternatives .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which makes me wonder if MS is purposely gimping their linux/unix implementation.That would be consistent with their business strategy.
So the answer is probably "Yes, they are gimping the implimentation of thier silverlight system that runs on competing platforms by implimenting features requiring incompatible licensing rather than using one of the less expensive alternatives.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652189</id>
	<title>The Light</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't walk towards the Light. Run.</p><p>Silverlight, although not widely used yet (less than 5\% of market), is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $1499 set of programs for development.</p><p>Again, MS is building something better than the people who built it first. (OS, GUI, Office Tools, Chat, Browser, now Flash)</p><p>MS is not a Monopoly by accident. They are a Monopoly by improvement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't walk towards the Light .
Run.Silverlight , although not widely used yet ( less than 5 \ % of market ) , is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $ 1499 set of programs for development.Again , MS is building something better than the people who built it first .
( OS , GUI , Office Tools , Chat , Browser , now Flash ) MS is not a Monopoly by accident .
They are a Monopoly by improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't walk towards the Light.
Run.Silverlight, although not widely used yet (less than 5\% of market), is great and innovative compared to Flash which itself now requires a $1499 set of programs for development.Again, MS is building something better than the people who built it first.
(OS, GUI, Office Tools, Chat, Browser, now Flash)MS is not a Monopoly by accident.
They are a Monopoly by improvement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653151</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1247254860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see the need for better graphics in those games.</p><p>The lack of "shiny" graphics means that in order to sell (the goal of all of those games) you have to make a really good and captivating game. How will games like Bejewled be improved by better graphics?</p><p>Make the graphics "better" and you'll cut off a large number of potential players, simply because their computer won't be able to play those graphics</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the need for better graphics in those games.The lack of " shiny " graphics means that in order to sell ( the goal of all of those games ) you have to make a really good and captivating game .
How will games like Bejewled be improved by better graphics ? Make the graphics " better " and you 'll cut off a large number of potential players , simply because their computer wo n't be able to play those graphics</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the need for better graphics in those games.The lack of "shiny" graphics means that in order to sell (the goal of all of those games) you have to make a really good and captivating game.
How will games like Bejewled be improved by better graphics?Make the graphics "better" and you'll cut off a large number of potential players, simply because their computer won't be able to play those graphics</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654759</id>
	<title>Re:Feature creep</title>
	<author>davidbrit2</author>
	<datestamp>1247219160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the second bullet-point down from "feeding the fish while you're away".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the second bullet-point down from " feeding the fish while you 're away " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the second bullet-point down from "feeding the fish while you're away".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653851</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1247257860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX? Aren't there enough security holes already? If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web? We should also ban ActiveX."</p><p>Pretty much my thoughts as soon as I saw the title.  "Allows apps" summarizes the problem - Windows already grants to many permissions, to easily, to to many applications.  Win7 (and Vista, too, I guess) improves on the old lack of security, but here we are trying to introduce more vulnerabilities.</p><p>I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a stick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX ?
Are n't there enough security holes already ?
If anything , we should think about banning DirectX from the Web ?
We should also ban ActiveX .
" Pretty much my thoughts as soon as I saw the title .
" Allows apps " summarizes the problem - Windows already grants to many permissions , to easily , to to many applications .
Win7 ( and Vista , too , I guess ) improves on the old lack of security , but here we are trying to introduce more vulnerabilities.I 'd rather poke myself in the eye with a stick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why would you want a security atrocity like DirectX?
Aren't there enough security holes already?
If anything, we should think about banning DirectX from the Web?
We should also ban ActiveX.
"Pretty much my thoughts as soon as I saw the title.
"Allows apps" summarizes the problem - Windows already grants to many permissions, to easily, to to many applications.
Win7 (and Vista, too, I guess) improves on the old lack of security, but here we are trying to introduce more vulnerabilities.I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a stick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652177</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652199</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1247251200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is more like running the apps on your desktop when you doubleclick the icon, like Flash players can do already. It doesn't mean all Silverlight apps on websites or even on your computer suddenly gets access to all your files and stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is more like running the apps on your desktop when you doubleclick the icon , like Flash players can do already .
It does n't mean all Silverlight apps on websites or even on your computer suddenly gets access to all your files and stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is more like running the apps on your desktop when you doubleclick the icon, like Flash players can do already.
It doesn't mean all Silverlight apps on websites or even on your computer suddenly gets access to all your files and stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655797</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247226360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I tried to install Silverlight 2 on an Intel Mac (at work), the installer didn't work because it said that it didn't support PPC machines. Microsoft fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I tried to install Silverlight 2 on an Intel Mac ( at work ) , the installer did n't work because it said that it did n't support PPC machines .
Microsoft fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I tried to install Silverlight 2 on an Intel Mac (at work), the installer didn't work because it said that it didn't support PPC machines.
Microsoft fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653599</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1247256660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do that already.  I sit on my couch with a laptop, start X11VNC on my PVR's TV display, start VNC Viewer on the laptop, start up VMWare on the PVR, start up XP in VMWare, connect the virtual sound card, full-screen VMWare, launch firefox, full-screen firefox, then close VNC Viewer on the laptop.  It's completely ridiculous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do that already .
I sit on my couch with a laptop , start X11VNC on my PVR 's TV display , start VNC Viewer on the laptop , start up VMWare on the PVR , start up XP in VMWare , connect the virtual sound card , full-screen VMWare , launch firefox , full-screen firefox , then close VNC Viewer on the laptop .
It 's completely ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do that already.
I sit on my couch with a laptop, start X11VNC on my PVR's TV display, start VNC Viewer on the laptop, start up VMWare on the PVR, start up XP in VMWare, connect the virtual sound card, full-screen VMWare, launch firefox, full-screen firefox, then close VNC Viewer on the laptop.
It's completely ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653039</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247254380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You sir, are a moron.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You sir , are a moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sir, are a moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652275</id>
	<title>Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>Seth Kriticos</author>
	<datestamp>1247251500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability. You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim. If they would make the API a public standard (that is not restricted) then people might adapt, if it is any good.<br><br>Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.<br><br>Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year. A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.<br><br>Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they can't keep up with the change that's happening continuously. I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).<br><br>Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about : interoperability .
You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim .
If they would make the API a public standard ( that is not restricted ) then people might adapt , if it is any good.Now I know , someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users do n't care , but you see , most users also do n't write applications , and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people , you are going nowhere.Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year .
A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they ca n't keep up with the change that 's happening continuously .
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development ( see VB , classic ASP and so forth ) .Another thing is , that though the feature list sounds impressive , there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..I still think that Microsoft did not understand what the Internet is about: interoperability.
You can create whatever nice framework you want - as long as it is not supported by many systems the adoption rate will be slim.
If they would make the API a public standard (that is not restricted) then people might adapt, if it is any good.Now I know, someone will surely insist that the Windows platform still has the majority of the market share and most users don't care, but you see, most users also don't write applications, and as long as you try to feed BS to the later group of people, you are going nowhere.Another thing is I see is that the Silverlight frameworks seems to have some severe design issues as it is necessary to bring out a new version seemingly every half year.
A well designed platform would try to get the basics right in the first few iterations and then add libraries to it that provide more functionality without having to do a 180 on the whole basic coding.Guess this will even turn down Microsoft sympathising developers as they can't keep up with the change that's happening continuously.
I mean many people are fed up that everything Microsoft does is obsolete in three years time and you can start anew with learning and development (see VB, classic ASP and so forth).Another thing is, that though the feature list sounds impressive, there are a lot of undressed issues like security that is a very important one with this kind of networked technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658431</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe its time to get a better OS then, one that can actually do stuff? Isnt the point of an OS to support other more interesting apps that allow you the user to do stuff. If your OS is so restrictive that you cant run all the apps you want to then, sorry but its shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe its time to get a better OS then , one that can actually do stuff ?
Isnt the point of an OS to support other more interesting apps that allow you the user to do stuff .
If your OS is so restrictive that you cant run all the apps you want to then , sorry but its shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe its time to get a better OS then, one that can actually do stuff?
Isnt the point of an OS to support other more interesting apps that allow you the user to do stuff.
If your OS is so restrictive that you cant run all the apps you want to then, sorry but its shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653889</id>
	<title>Re:Argh, recursion</title>
	<author>arse maker</author>
	<datestamp>1247258040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, for sure. Its not like the technology has changed over time.</p><p>Im still touching my as400 and getting hard.</p><p>Its a glorious age of mainframes that will never end!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , for sure .
Its not like the technology has changed over time.Im still touching my as400 and getting hard.Its a glorious age of mainframes that will never end !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, for sure.
Its not like the technology has changed over time.Im still touching my as400 and getting hard.Its a glorious age of mainframes that will never end!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659245</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247320260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what exactly makes it different from this besides being Windows only?</p><p><a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/" title="adobe.com">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/</a> [adobe.com]</p><p>BTW thanks for your Disclaimer, you have ethics unlike some commenters on this (and several other) recent Slashdot stories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what exactly makes it different from this besides being Windows only ? http : //www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/ [ adobe.com ] BTW thanks for your Disclaimer , you have ethics unlike some commenters on this ( and several other ) recent Slashdot stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what exactly makes it different from this besides being Windows only?http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/features/ [adobe.com]BTW thanks for your Disclaimer, you have ethics unlike some commenters on this (and several other) recent Slashdot stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655239</id>
	<title>Your head is up your ass. you eat necro-farts</title>
	<author>Saysys</author>
	<datestamp>1247222400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Folks... the title I used is a TROLL
<br> <br>
Saying "i think MS doesn't need to worry about linux compatibility" is NOT A TROLL.
<br> <br>
Get your heads out of your asses and stop censoring dissenting opinions.
<br> <br>
Nah, just joking, no doubt that the community thrives when we repress the demonic idea that the year of Liniux on the Desktop will never come.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Folks... the title I used is a TROLL Saying " i think MS does n't need to worry about linux compatibility " is NOT A TROLL .
Get your heads out of your asses and stop censoring dissenting opinions .
Nah , just joking , no doubt that the community thrives when we repress the demonic idea that the year of Liniux on the Desktop will never come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Folks... the title I used is a TROLL
 
Saying "i think MS doesn't need to worry about linux compatibility" is NOT A TROLL.
Get your heads out of your asses and stop censoring dissenting opinions.
Nah, just joking, no doubt that the community thrives when we repress the demonic idea that the year of Liniux on the Desktop will never come.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652079</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654169</id>
	<title>Yeah, but..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247259420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD. If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... And there damn well better be a way to turn off that behaviour. Where does ANYONE BUT ME get off deciding that I would rather sacrifice quality than speed? I would not. I'd watch it at 1080p no matter how long it took to buffer. I'm not a whiny little bitch who needs the video to start playing immediately.</p><p>Or... does Silverlight not buffer because then the client has the stream in memory which can then be manipulated in any number of tasty ways (DRM)? This is likely the real reason for eliminating choice here.</p><p>Hey MS, think of this... a 'Watch in Low Quality' button.... and a "'Watch in HD' button! Shit! Same benefits, more choice, no code updates to Silverlight required... what the fuck are you idiots doing in Redmond?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So if you 've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe , you 'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD .
If you 've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service , you 'll see a constrained version of the same video .
" .... And there damn well better be a way to turn off that behaviour .
Where does ANYONE BUT ME get off deciding that I would rather sacrifice quality than speed ?
I would not .
I 'd watch it at 1080p no matter how long it took to buffer .
I 'm not a whiny little bitch who needs the video to start playing immediately.Or... does Silverlight not buffer because then the client has the stream in memory which can then be manipulated in any number of tasty ways ( DRM ) ?
This is likely the real reason for eliminating choice here.Hey MS , think of this... a 'Watch in Low Quality ' button.... and a " 'Watch in HD ' button !
Shit ! Same benefits , more choice , no code updates to Silverlight required... what the fuck are you idiots doing in Redmond ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So if you've got a fast computer with an HD monitor and a wide open pipe, you'll see super high quality video at up to full 1080p HD.
If you've got a dinky smartphone with mid-level data service, you'll see a constrained version of the same video.
" .... And there damn well better be a way to turn off that behaviour.
Where does ANYONE BUT ME get off deciding that I would rather sacrifice quality than speed?
I would not.
I'd watch it at 1080p no matter how long it took to buffer.
I'm not a whiny little bitch who needs the video to start playing immediately.Or... does Silverlight not buffer because then the client has the stream in memory which can then be manipulated in any number of tasty ways (DRM)?
This is likely the real reason for eliminating choice here.Hey MS, think of this... a 'Watch in Low Quality' button.... and a "'Watch in HD' button!
Shit! Same benefits, more choice, no code updates to Silverlight required... what the fuck are you idiots doing in Redmond?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654231</id>
	<title>Sounds familiar.</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1247216520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser. </i></p><p>Sounds like a virus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser .
Sounds like a virus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.
Sounds like a virus?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652505</id>
	<title>I would call it a hypercompetitive move</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1247252400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Silverlight is interesting because it provides a markup that can be thought of us as a sort of an HTML 5.  If Silverlight is widely adopted in the Windows world, then there's not going to be much of an impetus to have browsers other than to download applications for Windows with.  So Microsoft is not competing against Flash per se, as much as they are competing against Google Chrome and ChromeOS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silverlight is interesting because it provides a markup that can be thought of us as a sort of an HTML 5 .
If Silverlight is widely adopted in the Windows world , then there 's not going to be much of an impetus to have browsers other than to download applications for Windows with .
So Microsoft is not competing against Flash per se , as much as they are competing against Google Chrome and ChromeOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silverlight is interesting because it provides a markup that can be thought of us as a sort of an HTML 5.
If Silverlight is widely adopted in the Windows world, then there's not going to be much of an impetus to have browsers other than to download applications for Windows with.
So Microsoft is not competing against Flash per se, as much as they are competing against Google Chrome and ChromeOS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651937</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28660833</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247332620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one, (and as a game designer) think that that lack of graphics is a good thing. If forces designers to make their games about creativity, good mechanics and a nice story again, instead of just adding bling-bling to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one , ( and as a game designer ) think that that lack of graphics is a good thing .
If forces designers to make their games about creativity , good mechanics and a nice story again , instead of just adding bling-bling to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one, (and as a game designer) think that that lack of graphics is a good thing.
If forces designers to make their games about creativity, good mechanics and a nice story again, instead of just adding bling-bling to them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655245</id>
	<title>Quake Live?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247222460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about Quake Live?  It's not dependent on DirectX and it supposedly works quite well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about Quake Live ?
It 's not dependent on DirectX and it supposedly works quite well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about Quake Live?
It's not dependent on DirectX and it supposedly works quite well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28657313</id>
	<title>Because it worked out so well</title>
	<author>Kevin108</author>
	<datestamp>1247241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The last time MS gave a browser the ability to run applications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time MS gave a browser the ability to run applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time MS gave a browser the ability to run applications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652539</id>
	<title>Some actually do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight? Seriously? Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller? I thought not.  Stop giving Microsoft press every time they "update" their shitty little plugin that no one cares about, and let it die.</p></div><p>I wouldn't say that <a href="http://silverlight.net/Showcase/" title="silverlight.net">nobody</a> [silverlight.net] uses it, exactly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight ?
Seriously ? Anyone ?
Bueller ? Bueller ?
I thought not .
Stop giving Microsoft press every time they " update " their shitty little plugin that no one cares about , and let it die.I would n't say that nobody [ silverlight.net ] uses it , exactly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone outside of Microsoft use Silverlight?
Seriously? Anyone?
Bueller?  Bueller?
I thought not.
Stop giving Microsoft press every time they "update" their shitty little plugin that no one cares about, and let it die.I wouldn't say that nobody [silverlight.net] uses it, exactly.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652075</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652079</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont think multiplatform (or the lack of it) actually does a lot in competition sense. There is a Mac version of Silverlight too, and linux is quite minority market. Main problem for Silverlight is how to get more sites use it instead of Flash, and this is where the advanced features and good developing tools come in and I think MS understands that seeing how they keep developing them all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont think multiplatform ( or the lack of it ) actually does a lot in competition sense .
There is a Mac version of Silverlight too , and linux is quite minority market .
Main problem for Silverlight is how to get more sites use it instead of Flash , and this is where the advanced features and good developing tools come in and I think MS understands that seeing how they keep developing them all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont think multiplatform (or the lack of it) actually does a lot in competition sense.
There is a Mac version of Silverlight too, and linux is quite minority market.
Main problem for Silverlight is how to get more sites use it instead of Flash, and this is where the advanced features and good developing tools come in and I think MS understands that seeing how they keep developing them all the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28659125</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247318460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell with your 64bit flash plugin really. Not only it exists at Adobe Labs, it is so stupid to demand a 64bit web browser plugin that even Microsoft hides their 64bit IE in Start Menu where "32bit" is at their Dock clone under Windows 7 RC 64bit.</p><p>Flash is at its 10th generation and has to support massive amount of operating systems, hardware architectures and even TV sets in some cases while maintaining full backwards compatibility down to its original "future splash" incarnation. It is not some "hey I coded super cool new version of my app using ruby but it won't be backwards compatible." toy.</p><p>Silverlight doesn't only exist on Linux, it doesn't exist on anything other than Windows and x86. It was coded just couple of years ago so it is easy to click that Visual Studio thing to make it 64bit.</p><p>My phones run Flash, what the heck you talk about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell with your 64bit flash plugin really .
Not only it exists at Adobe Labs , it is so stupid to demand a 64bit web browser plugin that even Microsoft hides their 64bit IE in Start Menu where " 32bit " is at their Dock clone under Windows 7 RC 64bit.Flash is at its 10th generation and has to support massive amount of operating systems , hardware architectures and even TV sets in some cases while maintaining full backwards compatibility down to its original " future splash " incarnation .
It is not some " hey I coded super cool new version of my app using ruby but it wo n't be backwards compatible .
" toy.Silverlight does n't only exist on Linux , it does n't exist on anything other than Windows and x86 .
It was coded just couple of years ago so it is easy to click that Visual Studio thing to make it 64bit.My phones run Flash , what the heck you talk about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell with your 64bit flash plugin really.
Not only it exists at Adobe Labs, it is so stupid to demand a 64bit web browser plugin that even Microsoft hides their 64bit IE in Start Menu where "32bit" is at their Dock clone under Windows 7 RC 64bit.Flash is at its 10th generation and has to support massive amount of operating systems, hardware architectures and even TV sets in some cases while maintaining full backwards compatibility down to its original "future splash" incarnation.
It is not some "hey I coded super cool new version of my app using ruby but it won't be backwards compatible.
" toy.Silverlight doesn't only exist on Linux, it doesn't exist on anything other than Windows and x86.
It was coded just couple of years ago so it is easy to click that Visual Studio thing to make it 64bit.My phones run Flash, what the heck you talk about?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652739</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652593</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1247252700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Downloaded Silverlight apps run with the same permissions as embedded ones, meaning no filesystem access etc. The only difference is that they can use the function keys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Downloaded Silverlight apps run with the same permissions as embedded ones , meaning no filesystem access etc .
The only difference is that they can use the function keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Downloaded Silverlight apps run with the same permissions as embedded ones, meaning no filesystem access etc.
The only difference is that they can use the function keys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28656251</id>
	<title>Re:H.264 licensing</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1247230080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Moonlight will have H.264, but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0</p><p>You do realize that this is why you have failed.  The only point(?) of Moonlight is to allow Linux/Unix users to access Silverlight content.  So how many sites are still using Silverlight 1.0?  And you might get 2.0 out the door and be working on 3.0 before Microsoft releases 4.0.  Chasing the taillights of a corporation with an unlimited development budget is a losing game.  If they aren't going to give you guys an inside track (under NDA perhaps?) so that you can release within a few months of a new 'upstream' release there isn't a lot of point to the effort.  Or am I missing something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Moonlight will have H.264 , but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0You do realize that this is why you have failed .
The only point ( ?
) of Moonlight is to allow Linux/Unix users to access Silverlight content .
So how many sites are still using Silverlight 1.0 ?
And you might get 2.0 out the door and be working on 3.0 before Microsoft releases 4.0 .
Chasing the taillights of a corporation with an unlimited development budget is a losing game .
If they are n't going to give you guys an inside track ( under NDA perhaps ?
) so that you can release within a few months of a new 'upstream ' release there is n't a lot of point to the effort .
Or am I missing something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Moonlight will have H.264, but we are working towards our first beta of Moonlight 2.0You do realize that this is why you have failed.
The only point(?
) of Moonlight is to allow Linux/Unix users to access Silverlight content.
So how many sites are still using Silverlight 1.0?
And you might get 2.0 out the door and be working on 3.0 before Microsoft releases 4.0.
Chasing the taillights of a corporation with an unlimited development budget is a losing game.
If they aren't going to give you guys an inside track (under NDA perhaps?
) so that you can release within a few months of a new 'upstream' release there isn't a lot of point to the effort.
Or am I missing something?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654301</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653783</id>
	<title>Re:The Light</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1247257500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear, hear. It's a pity you posted as AC, because your post deserves being modded up.</p><p>I may not fully agree with your list, but I agree with the gist of your post. Microsoft is full of really smart people and they do create good and useful products. They got where they are at least in part because their products were better than the competition's, and at least in part because their products were cheaper than the competition's. And, as far as I can see, they're still playing that game. Sure, not everything they make is great. Sure, I may prefer to run different software. But that doesn't mean we should go and deny the benefits that Microsoft's products do offer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear , hear .
It 's a pity you posted as AC , because your post deserves being modded up.I may not fully agree with your list , but I agree with the gist of your post .
Microsoft is full of really smart people and they do create good and useful products .
They got where they are at least in part because their products were better than the competition 's , and at least in part because their products were cheaper than the competition 's .
And , as far as I can see , they 're still playing that game .
Sure , not everything they make is great .
Sure , I may prefer to run different software .
But that does n't mean we should go and deny the benefits that Microsoft 's products do offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear, hear.
It's a pity you posted as AC, because your post deserves being modded up.I may not fully agree with your list, but I agree with the gist of your post.
Microsoft is full of really smart people and they do create good and useful products.
They got where they are at least in part because their products were better than the competition's, and at least in part because their products were cheaper than the competition's.
And, as far as I can see, they're still playing that game.
Sure, not everything they make is great.
Sure, I may prefer to run different software.
But that doesn't mean we should go and deny the benefits that Microsoft's products do offer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652189</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652433</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>ioErr</author>
	<datestamp>1247252040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mac version of Silverlight only works on Intel Macs, where Flash works on both PPC and Intel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mac version of Silverlight only works on Intel Macs , where Flash works on both PPC and Intel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mac version of Silverlight only works on Intel Macs, where Flash works on both PPC and Intel.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</id>
	<title>Security problems with a MS product?  nah.</title>
	<author>Serilleous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.</p></div><p>It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.It seems to me like this offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious vulnerabilities if it is not handled very very carefully.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28666987</id>
	<title>Misread topic.</title>
	<author>UrduBlake</author>
	<datestamp>1247409600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did anyone else read it as "Silverlight 3.0 released, allows ads outside the browser?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone else read it as " Silverlight 3.0 released , allows ads outside the browser ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone else read it as "Silverlight 3.0 released, allows ads outside the browser?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28661019</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247333940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mooning, of course:</p><p>(  Y  )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mooning , of course : ( Y )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mooning, of course:(  Y  )</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653243</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>miguel</author>
	<datestamp>1247255160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They understand that quite well.</p><p>Which is why Microsoft has given us access to all of their test suites for Silverlight and the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET runtime used in Silverlight to ensure that Moonlight is compatible with their implementation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They understand that quite well.Which is why Microsoft has given us access to all of their test suites for Silverlight and the .NET runtime used in Silverlight to ensure that Moonlight is compatible with their implementation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They understand that quite well.Which is why Microsoft has given us access to all of their test suites for Silverlight and the .NET runtime used in Silverlight to ensure that Moonlight is compatible with their implementation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652701</id>
	<title>Argh, recursion</title>
	<author>shish</author>
	<datestamp>1247253180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So basically after all this time and effort, the current state of the art wonderful new technology is "the thick client"? Colour me unimpressed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/

</p><p>People really need to stop being amazed every time the paradigm switches from thin client to thick and back, only each time with more abstraction layers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically after all this time and effort , the current state of the art wonderful new technology is " the thick client " ?
Colour me unimpressed : -/ People really need to stop being amazed every time the paradigm switches from thin client to thick and back , only each time with more abstraction layers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically after all this time and effort, the current state of the art wonderful new technology is "the thick client"?
Colour me unimpressed :-/

People really need to stop being amazed every time the paradigm switches from thin client to thick and back, only each time with more abstraction layers...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652097</id>
	<title>Re:Security problems with a MS product? nah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you have something specific in mind or just spewing standard zealot bullshit? I'm thinking the latter since your statement sounds just like a government sponsored generic warning...</p><p>"Driving while intoxicated offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious car accidents if it is not handled very very carefully."</p><p>Feh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you have something specific in mind or just spewing standard zealot bullshit ?
I 'm thinking the latter since your statement sounds just like a government sponsored generic warning... " Driving while intoxicated offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious car accidents if it is not handled very very carefully .
" Feh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you have something specific in mind or just spewing standard zealot bullshit?
I'm thinking the latter since your statement sounds just like a government sponsored generic warning..."Driving while intoxicated offers a remarkable opportunity for some very serious car accidents if it is not handled very very carefully.
"Feh!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651905</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28651925</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1247250240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More crap from MS that nobody cares about, that people will hate, that will lead to lock in, that will add nothing new, etc.</p><p>I am not the geeky/nerdy person that will throw parties whenever there's a new AmaroK release or something, but when Windows dies I will celebrate it with a party!</p><p>C'mon Microsoft Yes Man (C)(TM)(R). Mod me down. Make my day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More crap from MS that nobody cares about , that people will hate , that will lead to lock in , that will add nothing new , etc.I am not the geeky/nerdy person that will throw parties whenever there 's a new AmaroK release or something , but when Windows dies I will celebrate it with a party ! C'mon Microsoft Yes Man ( C ) ( TM ) ( R ) .
Mod me down .
Make my day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More crap from MS that nobody cares about, that people will hate, that will lead to lock in, that will add nothing new, etc.I am not the geeky/nerdy person that will throw parties whenever there's a new AmaroK release or something, but when Windows dies I will celebrate it with a party!C'mon Microsoft Yes Man (C)(TM)(R).
Mod me down.
Make my day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652265</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Too bad "we" doesn't include "me."  My linux-based PVR can't run Netflix on demand because it's silverlight-based, so that's my main association with the technology.  Hulu is also linking out to broadcaster's own incompatible streaming sites rather than hosting stuff itself.  I fear we are returning to the bad old days of a few years ago when a lot of multimedia on the web was incompatible with linux.  Poor linux users, under-represented minority that we are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too .
Too bad " we " does n't include " me .
" My linux-based PVR ca n't run Netflix on demand because it 's silverlight-based , so that 's my main association with the technology .
Hulu is also linking out to broadcaster 's own incompatible streaming sites rather than hosting stuff itself .
I fear we are returning to the bad old days of a few years ago when a lot of multimedia on the web was incompatible with linux .
Poor linux users , under-represented minority that we are : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we start to see DirectX like games directly in web browser too.
Too bad "we" doesn't include "me.
"  My linux-based PVR can't run Netflix on demand because it's silverlight-based, so that's my main association with the technology.
Hulu is also linking out to broadcaster's own incompatible streaming sites rather than hosting stuff itself.
I fear we are returning to the bad old days of a few years ago when a lot of multimedia on the web was incompatible with linux.
Poor linux users, under-represented minority that we are :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28658629</id>
	<title>YouTube will never use SilverLight</title>
	<author>WhiteFluffyChest</author>
	<datestamp>1247307840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The worlds biggest movie web site YouTube will never use Silverlight cause Google will never use Microsoft's Technology.</p><p>Because of this, and also because Microsoft have a bad reputation with web standards, I don't think Silverlight will ever take off.</p><p>I have said this in earlier posts, but obviously time will tell.</p><p>I think Silverlight is a powerful technology, but because it is from Microsoft, is closed source and doesn't support Linux, it will fail.</p><p>Poweful technology alone is not what it takes to succeed on the web, cause the web is also a community!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The worlds biggest movie web site YouTube will never use Silverlight cause Google will never use Microsoft 's Technology.Because of this , and also because Microsoft have a bad reputation with web standards , I do n't think Silverlight will ever take off.I have said this in earlier posts , but obviously time will tell.I think Silverlight is a powerful technology , but because it is from Microsoft , is closed source and does n't support Linux , it will fail.Poweful technology alone is not what it takes to succeed on the web , cause the web is also a community !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worlds biggest movie web site YouTube will never use Silverlight cause Google will never use Microsoft's Technology.Because of this, and also because Microsoft have a bad reputation with web standards, I don't think Silverlight will ever take off.I have said this in earlier posts, but obviously time will tell.I think Silverlight is a powerful technology, but because it is from Microsoft, is closed source and doesn't support Linux, it will fail.Poweful technology alone is not what it takes to succeed on the web, cause the web is also a community!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28660885</id>
	<title>Re:Ogg was supposed to do this</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247332980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real Player / Real Server were already doing it at the beginning of the decade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real Player / Real Server were already doing it at the beginning of the decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real Player / Real Server were already doing it at the beginning of the decade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653967</id>
	<title>Meh!</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1247258460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't \_want\_ to see the best quality that my connection and system load can spare at any given instant, I want the best quality available so I can store it locally and transcode it to a less cpu-intensive format if necessary.</p><p>Basically, set up an FTP server and fill it with quality clips and let the fricken end-user worry about how to view it once he has it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't \ _want \ _ to see the best quality that my connection and system load can spare at any given instant , I want the best quality available so I can store it locally and transcode it to a less cpu-intensive format if necessary.Basically , set up an FTP server and fill it with quality clips and let the fricken end-user worry about how to view it once he has it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't \_want\_ to see the best quality that my connection and system load can spare at any given instant, I want the best quality available so I can store it locally and transcode it to a less cpu-intensive format if necessary.Basically, set up an FTP server and fill it with quality clips and let the fricken end-user worry about how to view it once he has it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653277</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>Dotren</author>
	<datestamp>1247255400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where are my mod points when I need them?  Someone please mod this up informative.</p><p>I really do hope they eventually add some sort of official 3D support (seems like I've seen someone implement a 3D engine into Silverlight somehow).  Then again, perhaps we should wait and try to get rid of DirectX and OpenGL and try to get the card makers to create a full common API on the GPU first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are my mod points when I need them ?
Someone please mod this up informative.I really do hope they eventually add some sort of official 3D support ( seems like I 've seen someone implement a 3D engine into Silverlight somehow ) .
Then again , perhaps we should wait and try to get rid of DirectX and OpenGL and try to get the card makers to create a full common API on the GPU first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are my mod points when I need them?
Someone please mod this up informative.I really do hope they eventually add some sort of official 3D support (seems like I've seen someone implement a 3D engine into Silverlight somehow).
Then again, perhaps we should wait and try to get rid of DirectX and OpenGL and try to get the card makers to create a full common API on the GPU first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652909</id>
	<title>Re:Silverlight's video capabilities have always...</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1247253900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netflix's Silverlight player has always worked just fine for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netflix 's Silverlight player has always worked just fine for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netflix's Silverlight player has always worked just fine for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652171</id>
	<title>No "whatcanpossiblygowrong" tag?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support, the ability to offload tasks to a GPU, <b>and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.</b></p></div> </blockquote><p>Silverlight running apps outside of the sandbox? Yeah, I'm downloading this right away.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support , the ability to offload tasks to a GPU , and the ability to run apps outside of the browser .
Silverlight running apps outside of the sandbox ?
Yeah , I 'm downloading this right away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With 3.0 we see things like better 3D graphics support, the ability to offload tasks to a GPU, and the ability to run apps outside of the browser.
Silverlight running apps outside of the sandbox?
Yeah, I'm downloading this right away.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28654755</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds nice, but..</title>
	<author>nschubach</author>
	<datestamp>1247219100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean like Moonlight? The free implementation of Silverlight? Silverlight runs in IE, Firefox on Windows, Safari, Firefox on Mac, and Firefox in Linux (x86 and x64) through Moonlight. It's coming to mobile soon, too.</p></div><p>So Moonlight supports all of Silverlight 3's features?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it's fully documented publicly unlike Flash. I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash can't. You can even play theora videos natively in IE, Safari/Mac, and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY. I would say the technology is quite freeing.</p></div><p>You can develop Flash apps in vim as well.  It's been available for some time actually.  <a href="http://asantoso.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/flex-3-sdk-command-line-development-with-example-on-linux/" title="wordpress.com">Flex3 SDK can compile Actionscript files into a SWF file.</a> [wordpress.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like Moonlight ?
The free implementation of Silverlight ?
Silverlight runs in IE , Firefox on Windows , Safari , Firefox on Mac , and Firefox in Linux ( x86 and x64 ) through Moonlight .
It 's coming to mobile soon , too.So Moonlight supports all of Silverlight 3 's features ? You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it 's fully documented publicly unlike Flash .
I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash ca n't .
You can even play theora videos natively in IE , Safari/Mac , and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY .
I would say the technology is quite freeing.You can develop Flash apps in vim as well .
It 's been available for some time actually .
Flex3 SDK can compile Actionscript files into a SWF file .
[ wordpress.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like Moonlight?
The free implementation of Silverlight?
Silverlight runs in IE, Firefox on Windows, Safari, Firefox on Mac, and Firefox in Linux (x86 and x64) through Moonlight.
It's coming to mobile soon, too.So Moonlight supports all of Silverlight 3's features?You can write silverlight apps in vim and run them in a fully opensourced plugin in firefox on linux... it's fully documented publicly unlike Flash.
I have linux hacker friends who do just this because silverlight/moonlight can be developed without expensive tools and flash can't.
You can even play theora videos natively in IE, Safari/Mac, and Firefox/Linux with it TODAY.
I would say the technology is quite freeing.You can develop Flash apps in vim as well.
It's been available for some time actually.
Flex3 SDK can compile Actionscript files into a SWF file.
[wordpress.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28655547</id>
	<title>Out, then in , the out of the browser again?</title>
	<author>nobodyman</author>
	<datestamp>1247224560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been out of the loop re: windows development, so I apologize in advance.  But I had thought that Silverlight was a browser-based implementation of WPF (XAML+.NET), WPF being the new way to develop windows desktop apps.   So the fact that Silverlight can run outside of the browser makes me wonder </p><ul> <li>if your targeting a desktop app, why not use WPF?</li><li>Is WPF being phased out?  Should it be?</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been out of the loop re : windows development , so I apologize in advance .
But I had thought that Silverlight was a browser-based implementation of WPF ( XAML + .NET ) , WPF being the new way to develop windows desktop apps .
So the fact that Silverlight can run outside of the browser makes me wonder if your targeting a desktop app , why not use WPF ? Is WPF being phased out ?
Should it be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been out of the loop re: windows development, so I apologize in advance.
But I had thought that Silverlight was a browser-based implementation of WPF (XAML+.NET), WPF being the new way to develop windows desktop apps.
So the fact that Silverlight can run outside of the browser makes me wonder  if your targeting a desktop app, why not use WPF?Is WPF being phased out?
Should it be?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653905</id>
	<title>Re:DirectX on WebApps?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247258160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why want DirectX?  People want their games.  And how many PCs have been taken over because of an exploit with their sound card or video card?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why want DirectX ?
People want their games .
And how many PCs have been taken over because of an exploit with their sound card or video card ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why want DirectX?
People want their games.
And how many PCs have been taken over because of an exploit with their sound card or video card?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653049</id>
	<title>Re:And where exactly is moonlight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247254380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess this doesn't count?</p><p>http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess this does n't count ? http : //labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess this doesn't count?http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28666525</id>
	<title>Re:3D graphics support</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1247401500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Virtualbox running windows does it for me.</p></div></blockquote><p>Wait, so I should use virtualization software to run a *second* OS on top of my primary OS so I can use a plugin in a web browser so I can see cute but meaningless graphics and annoying ads?</p><p>No comment.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Virtualbox running windows does it for me.Wait , so I should use virtualization software to run a * second * OS on top of my primary OS so I can use a plugin in a web browser so I can see cute but meaningless graphics and annoying ads ? No comment .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virtualbox running windows does it for me.Wait, so I should use virtualization software to run a *second* OS on top of my primary OS so I can use a plugin in a web browser so I can see cute but meaningless graphics and annoying ads?No comment.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652499</id>
	<title>Re:Linux? Microsoft anti-competitive move?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>microsoft has no obligation to port programs to other OS's.  Their history of anti-competitive suits, fines, and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>microsoft has no obligation to port programs to other OS 's .
Their history of anti-competitive suits , fines , and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>microsoft has no obligation to port programs to other OS's.
Their history of anti-competitive suits, fines, and complaints relates to keeping other companies from running software on Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28653203</id>
	<title>Re:Why won't Adobe open source Flash?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247255100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another moron who thinks everything will be okay if you open source your code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another moron who thinks everything will be okay if you open source your code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another moron who thinks everything will be okay if you open source your code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1536218.28652607</id>
	<title>Hot!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oooh, the competition for video between Flash and Silverlight is "hot"! Using that word to describe the competition would only make sense if you are</p><p>a) A nerd<br>or<br>b) An online porn enthusiast.</p><p>But I repeat myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oooh , the competition for video between Flash and Silverlight is " hot " !
Using that word to describe the competition would only make sense if you area ) A nerdorb ) An online porn enthusiast.But I repeat myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oooh, the competition for video between Flash and Silverlight is "hot"!
Using that word to describe the competition would only make sense if you area) A nerdorb) An online porn enthusiast.But I repeat myself.</sentencetext>
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