<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_10_1334244</id>
	<title>Getting a Classic PC Working After 25 Years?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1247235300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>tunersedge writes <i>"Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984: Epson Equity I personal computer; 512K RAM; 82-key keyboard; 2 (count 'em!, 2) 5.25" floppy disk drives; 13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs); handy on/off switch; healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic; absolutely <em>no</em> software. (My mom ran a pre-school, and they used it to keep records and payroll. I cut my programming teeth on this thing. GW-Basic was my friend. Kings Quest screens took 2 minutes to load when you walked into a new one.) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off, dusted out a little, and plugged it in. It actually fired up! I'm stoked, except the disks we had are missing. What I'm looking to do is either buy some old working disks with whatever I can find (MS-DOS 3.22, GW-Basic, whatever), or try and recreate some using a USB-based floppy drive and some modern software. Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>tunersedge writes " Yesterday I dug out of my parents ' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984 : Epson Equity I personal computer ; 512K RAM ; 82-key keyboard ; 2 ( count 'em ! , 2 ) 5.25 " floppy disk drives ; 13 ' RGB monitor ( with contrast/brightness knobs ) ; handy on/off switch ; healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic ; absolutely no software .
( My mom ran a pre-school , and they used it to keep records and payroll .
I cut my programming teeth on this thing .
GW-Basic was my friend .
Kings Quest screens took 2 minutes to load when you walked into a new one .
) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off , dusted out a little , and plugged it in .
It actually fired up !
I 'm stoked , except the disks we had are missing .
What I 'm looking to do is either buy some old working disks with whatever I can find ( MS-DOS 3.22 , GW-Basic , whatever ) , or try and recreate some using a USB-based floppy drive and some modern software .
Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tunersedge writes "Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984: Epson Equity I personal computer; 512K RAM; 82-key keyboard; 2 (count 'em!, 2) 5.25" floppy disk drives; 13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs); handy on/off switch; healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic; absolutely no software.
(My mom ran a pre-school, and they used it to keep records and payroll.
I cut my programming teeth on this thing.
GW-Basic was my friend.
Kings Quest screens took 2 minutes to load when you walked into a new one.
) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off, dusted out a little, and plugged it in.
It actually fired up!
I'm stoked, except the disks we had are missing.
What I'm looking to do is either buy some old working disks with whatever I can find (MS-DOS 3.22, GW-Basic, whatever), or try and recreate some using a USB-based floppy drive and some modern software.
Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28656027</id>
	<title>Re:What are you guys talking about?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1247228280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why Google when you can ask Slashdot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><a href="http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it-mean-to-cut-your-teeth-on-something.htm" title="wisegeek.com">http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it-mean-to-cut-your-teeth-on-something.htm</a> [wisegeek.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why Google when you can ask Slashdot ...http : //www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it-mean-to-cut-your-teeth-on-something.htm [ wisegeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why Google when you can ask Slashdot ...http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-it-mean-to-cut-your-teeth-on-something.htm [wisegeek.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650439</id>
	<title>Re:Contact Customer Support?</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1247243220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn if that doesn't make sense. Might just be able to resurrect the old Epson (286) pc that someone gave me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn if that does n't make sense .
Might just be able to resurrect the old Epson ( 286 ) pc that someone gave me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn if that doesn't make sense.
Might just be able to resurrect the old Epson (286) pc that someone gave me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649419</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651587</id>
	<title>Still have all my media</title>
	<author>TWX</author>
	<datestamp>1247248500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I still have my MS-DOS 3.3 diskettes (and GWBasic 3.22), MS-DOS 5, MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, Windows 95 upgrade, Windows 98 upgrade, Windows ME upgrade, and Windows 2000 upgrade.
<br> <br>
Why do I keep all of this?  So I can install XP upgrade and have a qualifying product...  Sucks having to install WFW311 in order to get to XP, but hey...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still have my MS-DOS 3.3 diskettes ( and GWBasic 3.22 ) , MS-DOS 5 , MS-DOS 6.22 , Windows 3.11 for Workgroups , Windows 95 upgrade , Windows 98 upgrade , Windows ME upgrade , and Windows 2000 upgrade .
Why do I keep all of this ?
So I can install XP upgrade and have a qualifying product... Sucks having to install WFW311 in order to get to XP , but hey.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still have my MS-DOS 3.3 diskettes (and GWBasic 3.22), MS-DOS 5, MS-DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, Windows 95 upgrade, Windows 98 upgrade, Windows ME upgrade, and Windows 2000 upgrade.
Why do I keep all of this?
So I can install XP upgrade and have a qualifying product...  Sucks having to install WFW311 in order to get to XP, but hey...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651087</id>
	<title>Well its not Franks 2000" TV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But a "13' RGB monitor"...I didn't know anyone made anything big...let alone in 1984, Ray Bradbury eat your heart out...we've had wall tv's for over 25 years.<br>Maybe that should be a 13" RGB monitor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But a " 13 ' RGB monitor " ...I did n't know anyone made anything big...let alone in 1984 , Ray Bradbury eat your heart out...we 've had wall tv 's for over 25 years.Maybe that should be a 13 " RGB monitor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But a "13' RGB monitor"...I didn't know anyone made anything big...let alone in 1984, Ray Bradbury eat your heart out...we've had wall tv's for over 25 years.Maybe that should be a 13" RGB monitor</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28692681</id>
	<title>Re:Yesterdays PC, todays Embedded chip</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1247593380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope. The Equity I was compatible with the chip, but it wasn't supported by Epson.</p><p>Am I the only one who read the easily available service bulletins?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
The Equity I was compatible with the chip , but it was n't supported by Epson.Am I the only one who read the easily available service bulletins ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
The Equity I was compatible with the chip, but it wasn't supported by Epson.Am I the only one who read the easily available service bulletins?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649893</id>
	<title>My 1984 mac works just fine</title>
	<author>edbosanquet</author>
	<datestamp>1247241120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and the boxes of software mean I can play Sim City although without the manual the ancient DRM causes my city to get destroy after 10 minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the boxes of software mean I can play Sim City although without the manual the ancient DRM causes my city to get destroy after 10 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the boxes of software mean I can play Sim City although without the manual the ancient DRM causes my city to get destroy after 10 minutes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649975</id>
	<title>Welcome to teh Retro</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, ignore all of the 'why' and 'useless' remarks. It's obvious that, for whatever reason, you've decided to have fun with your antique computer. As an Apple II collector, I sure as hell sympathize.</p><p>Second, your best bet is to purchase some manner of system disks from eBay. You probably even have ISA slots that could host an IDE controller so you could load a big ole 100-megabyte hard drive full of Sierra warez and maybe even make your own creations with Borland Turbo C. Have patience. Getting all the necessary tools to get antiques running again can take months. But make no mistake, you can get that thing on the Internet and/or running tons of warez off your local network with enough time and elbow grease.</p><p>Enjoy the computing that makes you happy, and remember that Lotus 123 on that beast will probably recalculate a spreadsheet just as fast, if not faster, than Excel running on the very latest dual-Xeon beast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , ignore all of the 'why ' and 'useless ' remarks .
It 's obvious that , for whatever reason , you 've decided to have fun with your antique computer .
As an Apple II collector , I sure as hell sympathize.Second , your best bet is to purchase some manner of system disks from eBay .
You probably even have ISA slots that could host an IDE controller so you could load a big ole 100-megabyte hard drive full of Sierra warez and maybe even make your own creations with Borland Turbo C. Have patience .
Getting all the necessary tools to get antiques running again can take months .
But make no mistake , you can get that thing on the Internet and/or running tons of warez off your local network with enough time and elbow grease.Enjoy the computing that makes you happy , and remember that Lotus 123 on that beast will probably recalculate a spreadsheet just as fast , if not faster , than Excel running on the very latest dual-Xeon beast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, ignore all of the 'why' and 'useless' remarks.
It's obvious that, for whatever reason, you've decided to have fun with your antique computer.
As an Apple II collector, I sure as hell sympathize.Second, your best bet is to purchase some manner of system disks from eBay.
You probably even have ISA slots that could host an IDE controller so you could load a big ole 100-megabyte hard drive full of Sierra warez and maybe even make your own creations with Borland Turbo C. Have patience.
Getting all the necessary tools to get antiques running again can take months.
But make no mistake, you can get that thing on the Internet and/or running tons of warez off your local network with enough time and elbow grease.Enjoy the computing that makes you happy, and remember that Lotus 123 on that beast will probably recalculate a spreadsheet just as fast, if not faster, than Excel running on the very latest dual-Xeon beast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28659109</id>
	<title>Try Arachne</title>
	<author>DearOldDad</author>
	<datestamp>1247318280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you want to use it on the net I might suggest Arachne a browser which runs on early DOS versions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to use it on the net I might suggest Arachne a browser which runs on early DOS versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to use it on the net I might suggest Arachne a browser which runs on early DOS versions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654069</id>
	<title>13' monitor?!?</title>
	<author>Emmef</author>
	<datestamp>1247258940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs)</p></div><p>

13 feet? Wow. I know computers were big in the stoneage...errrr....eighties, but monitors too?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>13 ' RGB monitor ( with contrast/brightness knobs ) 13 feet ?
Wow. I know computers were big in the stoneage...errrr....eighties , but monitors too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs)

13 feet?
Wow. I know computers were big in the stoneage...errrr....eighties, but monitors too?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650803</id>
	<title>I hate to be the one to break it to you</title>
	<author>jimbobborg</author>
	<datestamp>1247244600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but there is NO USB PORT ON THIS BOX!!!!!!  And since it's an 8-bit machine, it only has 8-bit ISA ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but there is NO USB PORT ON THIS BOX ! ! ! ! ! !
And since it 's an 8-bit machine , it only has 8-bit ISA ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but there is NO USB PORT ON THIS BOX!!!!!!
And since it's an 8-bit machine, it only has 8-bit ISA ports.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649573</id>
	<title>Yesterdays PC, todays Embedded chip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip. Many people learned embedded programming on these chips, and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world.</p><p>This sounds like a great opportunity to program your own embedded OS for the machine. Get a PROM burner and your favorite compatible compiler and have some fun! You're a programmer, and you cut your teeth on this PC. Learn another aspect of programming with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip .
Many people learned embedded programming on these chips , and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world.This sounds like a great opportunity to program your own embedded OS for the machine .
Get a PROM burner and your favorite compatible compiler and have some fun !
You 're a programmer , and you cut your teeth on this PC .
Learn another aspect of programming with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip.
Many people learned embedded programming on these chips, and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world.This sounds like a great opportunity to program your own embedded OS for the machine.
Get a PROM burner and your favorite compatible compiler and have some fun!
You're a programmer, and you cut your teeth on this PC.
Learn another aspect of programming with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651597</id>
	<title>Impressive...</title>
	<author>onemorechip</author>
	<datestamp>1247248560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to see this 13-foot monitor!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to see this 13-foot monitor !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to see this 13-foot monitor!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28660193</id>
	<title>Windows 2.1</title>
	<author>Richard Kirk</author>
	<datestamp>1247328780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I have Windows 2.1 on about 25 3.25" floppies for an Amstrad system of similar age and spec. I don't think Windows 3.0 was out for a while yet. I have no idea whether the disks still read, but they did about twelve years ago when I got the thing to run. I am sure we could copy that to you, if it did not bring down the Wrath of Miscosoft.
</p><p>
If you really want to go Old-School, I have CP/M on 8" floppies also from MIcrosoft. We don't have the machine that ran those any longer, but they did work.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Windows 2.1 on about 25 3.25 " floppies for an Amstrad system of similar age and spec .
I do n't think Windows 3.0 was out for a while yet .
I have no idea whether the disks still read , but they did about twelve years ago when I got the thing to run .
I am sure we could copy that to you , if it did not bring down the Wrath of Miscosoft .
If you really want to go Old-School , I have CP/M on 8 " floppies also from MIcrosoft .
We do n't have the machine that ran those any longer , but they did work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I have Windows 2.1 on about 25 3.25" floppies for an Amstrad system of similar age and spec.
I don't think Windows 3.0 was out for a while yet.
I have no idea whether the disks still read, but they did about twelve years ago when I got the thing to run.
I am sure we could copy that to you, if it did not bring down the Wrath of Miscosoft.
If you really want to go Old-School, I have CP/M on 8" floppies also from MIcrosoft.
We don't have the machine that ran those any longer, but they did work.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649609</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux requires a 386 or greater for the kernel. Back to square one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux requires a 386 or greater for the kernel .
Back to square one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux requires a 386 or greater for the kernel.
Back to square one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650583</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247243760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>oops, I should have said "not necessarily so fine for finding software on floppy disks that will actually run (due to quality, age and/or wear)".  Meanwhile sofware on CD-ROMs (NOT CD-Rs!!!), if the disks are decently cared for (and quite a collection of DOS software has been avaialable on CD-ROM), can last a long long time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>oops , I should have said " not necessarily so fine for finding software on floppy disks that will actually run ( due to quality , age and/or wear ) " .
Meanwhile sofware on CD-ROMs ( NOT CD-Rs ! ! !
) , if the disks are decently cared for ( and quite a collection of DOS software has been avaialable on CD-ROM ) , can last a long long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oops, I should have said "not necessarily so fine for finding software on floppy disks that will actually run (due to quality, age and/or wear)".
Meanwhile sofware on CD-ROMs (NOT CD-Rs!!!
), if the disks are decently cared for (and quite a collection of DOS software has been avaialable on CD-ROM), can last a long long time.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649825</id>
	<title>It's not that old...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At work we have PC's much older than that, running manufacturing equipment. If any of them break down, I have a whole room full of old PC's that I could simply search for parts. Eventually we'll run out of parts (the equipment need ISA bus to operate), but at this rate, we're good for another 25 years or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At work we have PC 's much older than that , running manufacturing equipment .
If any of them break down , I have a whole room full of old PC 's that I could simply search for parts .
Eventually we 'll run out of parts ( the equipment need ISA bus to operate ) , but at this rate , we 're good for another 25 years or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At work we have PC's much older than that, running manufacturing equipment.
If any of them break down, I have a whole room full of old PC's that I could simply search for parts.
Eventually we'll run out of parts (the equipment need ISA bus to operate), but at this rate, we're good for another 25 years or so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650897</id>
	<title>Re:Bootstrap via serial port?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1247245020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fairly recently I was able to do something similar to this, copy all my old Apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//c floppies to my PC for archiving/access with an Apple ][ emulator. It was some BASIC program that sent the floppy data over RS-232 serial, and worked well. Just noting that this really does work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fairly recently I was able to do something similar to this , copy all my old Apple //c floppies to my PC for archiving/access with an Apple ] [ emulator .
It was some BASIC program that sent the floppy data over RS-232 serial , and worked well .
Just noting that this really does work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fairly recently I was able to do something similar to this, copy all my old Apple //c floppies to my PC for archiving/access with an Apple ][ emulator.
It was some BASIC program that sent the floppy data over RS-232 serial, and worked well.
Just noting that this really does work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650919</id>
	<title>13' RGB montior?</title>
	<author>mastahYee</author>
	<datestamp>1247245080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That monitor must be huge!  Why are they so small now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That monitor must be huge !
Why are they so small now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That monitor must be huge!
Why are they so small now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28655509</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1247224320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor. I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device. Wonder what the resolution is?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</i></p><p>320x240. That's 2.5 dots per inch, or one dot per centimeter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor .
I 'm assuming its some sort of front projection device .
Wonder what the resolution is ?
: ) 320x240. That 's 2.5 dots per inch , or one dot per centimeter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor.
I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device.
Wonder what the resolution is?
:)320x240. That's 2.5 dots per inch, or one dot per centimeter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650035</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1247241720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thrift stores.</p><p>You should check out thrift stores.</p><p>I see 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in those places all the time. Cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thrift stores.You should check out thrift stores.I see 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in those places all the time .
Cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thrift stores.You should check out thrift stores.I see 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in those places all the time.
Cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649501</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True enough - I did the same thing with my ancient Mac Plus. Between Ebay and the dedicated enthusiast forums, I was able to get all the software I needed to get it up and working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True enough - I did the same thing with my ancient Mac Plus .
Between Ebay and the dedicated enthusiast forums , I was able to get all the software I needed to get it up and working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True enough - I did the same thing with my ancient Mac Plus.
Between Ebay and the dedicated enthusiast forums, I was able to get all the software I needed to get it up and working.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652163</id>
	<title>I am still using one!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am reading slashdot on the same machine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am reading slashdot on the same machine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am reading slashdot on the same machine!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649755</id>
	<title>COMPARE IT!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After you get it working, you should definitely compare to a modern-day, name-brand computer!  You can compare specs and then you can do a write up and then you can put it online and then you can post it to slashdot so we can all enjoy how clever and awesome you are!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After you get it working , you should definitely compare to a modern-day , name-brand computer !
You can compare specs and then you can do a write up and then you can put it online and then you can post it to slashdot so we can all enjoy how clever and awesome you are !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After you get it working, you should definitely compare to a modern-day, name-brand computer!
You can compare specs and then you can do a write up and then you can put it online and then you can post it to slashdot so we can all enjoy how clever and awesome you are!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650961</id>
	<title>Still working Compaq Lunchbox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a running Compaq "Lunchbox" style portable computer. It orignially came with a 286 processor, 640K of RAM and a 30 Mb hard drive. It also has a parallel port, RGB monitor port, a monochrome (red) monitor and serial port.</p><p>It was my first. I still love her.</p><p>I wrote a Symantec Q&amp;A program for my father's business which they used for years. I originally kept the computer running to access his archives. We migrated to Access in the 90's. Now I just run it once in a while to remember the days. Also have commodore 64 where I force my kids to play loderunner, donkey kong, and hunchback at the olympics with me.</p><p>There are a lot of computer 'museums' on the net that can help with acquiring working copies of older software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a running Compaq " Lunchbox " style portable computer .
It orignially came with a 286 processor , 640K of RAM and a 30 Mb hard drive .
It also has a parallel port , RGB monitor port , a monochrome ( red ) monitor and serial port.It was my first .
I still love her.I wrote a Symantec Q&amp;A program for my father 's business which they used for years .
I originally kept the computer running to access his archives .
We migrated to Access in the 90 's .
Now I just run it once in a while to remember the days .
Also have commodore 64 where I force my kids to play loderunner , donkey kong , and hunchback at the olympics with me.There are a lot of computer 'museums ' on the net that can help with acquiring working copies of older software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a running Compaq "Lunchbox" style portable computer.
It orignially came with a 286 processor, 640K of RAM and a 30 Mb hard drive.
It also has a parallel port, RGB monitor port, a monochrome (red) monitor and serial port.It was my first.
I still love her.I wrote a Symantec Q&amp;A program for my father's business which they used for years.
I originally kept the computer running to access his archives.
We migrated to Access in the 90's.
Now I just run it once in a while to remember the days.
Also have commodore 64 where I force my kids to play loderunner, donkey kong, and hunchback at the olympics with me.There are a lot of computer 'museums' on the net that can help with acquiring working copies of older software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650629</id>
	<title>The Retr0brite method can de-yellow that case</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247244000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "Retr0brite" method discovered last year could restore the case to its original color.  It counters the bromides and other additives that actually cause the yellowing.  It uses hydrogen peroxide with Oxiclean-type stuff, an extra booster if desired, and UV rays as a catalyst.</p><p><a href="http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/" title="wikispaces.com">http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/</a> [wikispaces.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " Retr0brite " method discovered last year could restore the case to its original color .
It counters the bromides and other additives that actually cause the yellowing .
It uses hydrogen peroxide with Oxiclean-type stuff , an extra booster if desired , and UV rays as a catalyst.http : //retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ [ wikispaces.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "Retr0brite" method discovered last year could restore the case to its original color.
It counters the bromides and other additives that actually cause the yellowing.
It uses hydrogen peroxide with Oxiclean-type stuff, an extra booster if desired, and UV rays as a catalyst.http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ [wikispaces.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650059</id>
	<title>Is it PC-Compatible?</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1247241840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it PC-Compatible?  You can probably download floppy images of DOS 3.3 and use rawrite to make bootable disks.  All you'll need to do is find a "modern" PC that has a traditional floppy controller, and a 5.25" drive.  Chances are, the physical interfaces are the same, so you can use the 5.25" drives from the Epson in your "modern" PC.</p><p>I used this technique 10 years ago when I had access to some ancient TRS-80s in high school.  I hopped onto the internet with my speedy 28.8K modem, downloaded some floppy images of games, and used rawrite to make the disks.</p><p>A little bit of Googling brings up some clues, but if you get stuck, there's always FreeDOS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it PC-Compatible ?
You can probably download floppy images of DOS 3.3 and use rawrite to make bootable disks .
All you 'll need to do is find a " modern " PC that has a traditional floppy controller , and a 5.25 " drive .
Chances are , the physical interfaces are the same , so you can use the 5.25 " drives from the Epson in your " modern " PC.I used this technique 10 years ago when I had access to some ancient TRS-80s in high school .
I hopped onto the internet with my speedy 28.8K modem , downloaded some floppy images of games , and used rawrite to make the disks.A little bit of Googling brings up some clues , but if you get stuck , there 's always FreeDOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it PC-Compatible?
You can probably download floppy images of DOS 3.3 and use rawrite to make bootable disks.
All you'll need to do is find a "modern" PC that has a traditional floppy controller, and a 5.25" drive.
Chances are, the physical interfaces are the same, so you can use the 5.25" drives from the Epson in your "modern" PC.I used this technique 10 years ago when I had access to some ancient TRS-80s in high school.
I hopped onto the internet with my speedy 28.8K modem, downloaded some floppy images of games, and used rawrite to make the disks.A little bit of Googling brings up some clues, but if you get stuck, there's always FreeDOS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650735</id>
	<title>Re:Amstrad PC1512</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1247244360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could have gotten this <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359" title="newegg.com">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359</a> [newegg.com] and put it in the case with a few mods.<br>Might have made a nice little hack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could have gotten this http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16813121359 [ newegg.com ] and put it in the case with a few mods.Might have made a nice little hack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could have gotten this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359 [newegg.com] and put it in the case with a few mods.Might have made a nice little hack.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649533</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650275</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You aren't likely to run Linux on XT hardware, youngster.</p><p>No offense, son, but how old are you exactly?</p><p>Have you ever used an original PC?</p><p>You might want to hit up a secondhand store and pick up a super-old dinosaur of a machine and try to get it running. It could be beneficial to you. Imagine you are 20-something sitting in a meeting with some older IT types and one of them mentions a TRS-80 or their old TI-994A, and you not only can follow some of what they are saying but you have a machine from the same era sitting at home, which you let them know that you bought to get a better understanding about what today's systems come from.</p><p>Now instead of being seen as some snotnose, you are "one of the guys" with potential for advancement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are n't likely to run Linux on XT hardware , youngster.No offense , son , but how old are you exactly ? Have you ever used an original PC ? You might want to hit up a secondhand store and pick up a super-old dinosaur of a machine and try to get it running .
It could be beneficial to you .
Imagine you are 20-something sitting in a meeting with some older IT types and one of them mentions a TRS-80 or their old TI-994A , and you not only can follow some of what they are saying but you have a machine from the same era sitting at home , which you let them know that you bought to get a better understanding about what today 's systems come from.Now instead of being seen as some snotnose , you are " one of the guys " with potential for advancement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You aren't likely to run Linux on XT hardware, youngster.No offense, son, but how old are you exactly?Have you ever used an original PC?You might want to hit up a secondhand store and pick up a super-old dinosaur of a machine and try to get it running.
It could be beneficial to you.
Imagine you are 20-something sitting in a meeting with some older IT types and one of them mentions a TRS-80 or their old TI-994A, and you not only can follow some of what they are saying but you have a machine from the same era sitting at home, which you let them know that you bought to get a better understanding about what today's systems come from.Now instead of being seen as some snotnose, you are "one of the guys" with potential for advancement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651699</id>
	<title>Re:Contact Customer Support?</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1247249160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can find an old LapLink executable and a serial cable you may be able to do direct PC-PC transfer. the hard part might be getting it set up right on the modern computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can find an old LapLink executable and a serial cable you may be able to do direct PC-PC transfer .
the hard part might be getting it set up right on the modern computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can find an old LapLink executable and a serial cable you may be able to do direct PC-PC transfer.
the hard part might be getting it set up right on the modern computer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649419</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650299</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>zentechno</author>
	<datestamp>1247242680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a bunch of period (ha!) 5.25" disks, from DOS 3.1, and a bunch of utilities, plus games, games, games -- if you get the machine working we can talk about those (see previous post).  I haven't taken a formal inventory, just going from memory, but 'm happy to donate them, but not wanting the quantity and quality of spam posting my email address here can get me, let me know if you're interested and we can see how to get them to you without more 'influx' than this is worth.  Obvious caveat: they haven't been in a computer in at least 15 years.

Now if I only had the cycles to boot that old Encore Multimax (2100 watts!), and could find a home for those PDP-11 parts I'd go to computing karma heaven for sure.  8^)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a bunch of period ( ha !
) 5.25 " disks , from DOS 3.1 , and a bunch of utilities , plus games , games , games -- if you get the machine working we can talk about those ( see previous post ) .
I have n't taken a formal inventory , just going from memory , but 'm happy to donate them , but not wanting the quantity and quality of spam posting my email address here can get me , let me know if you 're interested and we can see how to get them to you without more 'influx ' than this is worth .
Obvious caveat : they have n't been in a computer in at least 15 years .
Now if I only had the cycles to boot that old Encore Multimax ( 2100 watts !
) , and could find a home for those PDP-11 parts I 'd go to computing karma heaven for sure .
8 ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a bunch of period (ha!
) 5.25" disks, from DOS 3.1, and a bunch of utilities, plus games, games, games -- if you get the machine working we can talk about those (see previous post).
I haven't taken a formal inventory, just going from memory, but 'm happy to donate them, but not wanting the quantity and quality of spam posting my email address here can get me, let me know if you're interested and we can see how to get them to you without more 'influx' than this is worth.
Obvious caveat: they haven't been in a computer in at least 15 years.
Now if I only had the cycles to boot that old Encore Multimax (2100 watts!
), and could find a home for those PDP-11 parts I'd go to computing karma heaven for sure.
8^)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652627</id>
	<title>Contiki</title>
	<author>ghostis</author>
	<datestamp>1247252940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could try contiki.</p><p><a href="http://www.sics.se/contiki/" title="www.sics.se">http://www.sics.se/contiki/</a> [www.sics.se]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could try contiki.http : //www.sics.se/contiki/ [ www.sics.se ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could try contiki.http://www.sics.se/contiki/ [www.sics.se]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650363</id>
	<title>20 year old McIntosh story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The other day I found my mom &amp; daughter laughing and playing Yahtzee on an old McIntosh circa 1989. She's a retired school teacher and it seems anyone who wanted were given them back in the day. She still has it plugged in &amp; hooked up to a dot matrix printer.</p><p>It still has a start up disk. God forbid the disk ever gets corrupted? Where will she ever find another one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other day I found my mom &amp; daughter laughing and playing Yahtzee on an old McIntosh circa 1989 .
She 's a retired school teacher and it seems anyone who wanted were given them back in the day .
She still has it plugged in &amp; hooked up to a dot matrix printer.It still has a start up disk .
God forbid the disk ever gets corrupted ?
Where will she ever find another one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other day I found my mom &amp; daughter laughing and playing Yahtzee on an old McIntosh circa 1989.
She's a retired school teacher and it seems anyone who wanted were given them back in the day.
She still has it plugged in &amp; hooked up to a dot matrix printer.It still has a start up disk.
God forbid the disk ever gets corrupted?
Where will she ever find another one?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649613</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>Glonoinha</author>
	<datestamp>1247240040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a thought - unless I'm mistaken, the floppy cable that plugs into a 3.5" drive also fits in a 5.25" drive - and the power connector for regular PATA hard drives also fits the 5.25" floppy drive.  If that is still the case, all he needs to do is put his old 5.25" drive next to a new computer, plug in the cables and fire it up.  Create a boot floppy using the Windows 95 'create a boot floppy' utility or however you make boot floppys now (I have a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.img file of that boot floppy I use to create boot CDs, so it's been a while since I made a boot floppy - format a:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/s maybe?)</p><p>Put the 5.25" drive and your new boot floppy back in and Voila! you are all set.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a thought - unless I 'm mistaken , the floppy cable that plugs into a 3.5 " drive also fits in a 5.25 " drive - and the power connector for regular PATA hard drives also fits the 5.25 " floppy drive .
If that is still the case , all he needs to do is put his old 5.25 " drive next to a new computer , plug in the cables and fire it up .
Create a boot floppy using the Windows 95 'create a boot floppy ' utility or however you make boot floppys now ( I have a .img file of that boot floppy I use to create boot CDs , so it 's been a while since I made a boot floppy - format a : /s maybe ?
) Put the 5.25 " drive and your new boot floppy back in and Voila !
you are all set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a thought - unless I'm mistaken, the floppy cable that plugs into a 3.5" drive also fits in a 5.25" drive - and the power connector for regular PATA hard drives also fits the 5.25" floppy drive.
If that is still the case, all he needs to do is put his old 5.25" drive next to a new computer, plug in the cables and fire it up.
Create a boot floppy using the Windows 95 'create a boot floppy' utility or however you make boot floppys now (I have a .img file of that boot floppy I use to create boot CDs, so it's been a while since I made a boot floppy - format a: /s maybe?
)Put the 5.25" drive and your new boot floppy back in and Voila!
you are all set.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649461</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650559</id>
	<title>uhuh</title>
	<author>todd10k</author>
	<datestamp>1247243640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Parents" basement, suuuuure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Parents " basement , suuuuure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Parents" basement, suuuuure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651809</id>
	<title>Keep us posted on the external 5.25" floppy</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1247249760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has been a quest for a lot of people for some time now.  USB 3.5" floppy drives are a dime a dozen but I haven't found a manufacturer for USB 5.25 floppy drives yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been a quest for a lot of people for some time now .
USB 3.5 " floppy drives are a dime a dozen but I have n't found a manufacturer for USB 5.25 floppy drives yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been a quest for a lot of people for some time now.
USB 3.5" floppy drives are a dime a dozen but I haven't found a manufacturer for USB 5.25 floppy drives yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650409</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247243100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>       This fellow wants a USB connected floppy drive on that old machine. That is asking for a miracle indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This fellow wants a USB connected floppy drive on that old machine .
That is asking for a miracle indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>       This fellow wants a USB connected floppy drive on that old machine.
That is asking for a miracle indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650007</id>
	<title>Visit the Vintage Computing Forum</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ is your friend.  Plenty of help there for old machines.  And if you can't or don't want to get it working, I'm sure someone there will be happy to take it off your hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ is your friend .
Plenty of help there for old machines .
And if you ca n't or do n't want to get it working , I 'm sure someone there will be happy to take it off your hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ is your friend.
Plenty of help there for old machines.
And if you can't or don't want to get it working, I'm sure someone there will be happy to take it off your hands.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28663837</id>
	<title>Re:It's not that old...</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1247311920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At work we have PC's much older than that, running manufacturing equipment. If any of them break down, I have a whole room full of old PC's that I could simply search for parts. Eventually we'll run out of parts (the equipment need ISA bus to operate), but at this rate, we're good for another 25 years or so.</p></div><p>I manage IT at a manufacturer as well, and have come across this same issue.</p><p>Too many manufacturing machines use old PCs for their controllers due to two main reasons, one exactly as you mentioned (ISA slots), and two is timing issues with faster CPUs.</p><p>My solution has been a more modern computer, dosbox (or worst case vmware), and a USB to ISA Slot adapter such as <a href="http://www.arstech.com/item-USB-2-0-to-ISA-card-3-connectors-usb2isax3.html" title="arstech.com">this guy</a> [arstech.com]</p><p>You then get all the benifits of having a visualization/abstraction layer between the old software, and more modern hardware.</p><p>With dosbox, you can limit CPU type and speed down to the hertz, and with a choice of running the translation drivers on the host (So the emulator accesses the hosts "isa bus" directly) or in the emulator itself (If the software is win95 or better based, this is a more direct option.. But if it is DOS based, it is easier to not mess with USB DOS support and do it on the host)</p><p>The trick is to do the scripting yourself for the 'behind the scenes' work, like booting into the visualization layer then into the software automatically and 'full screen', so you will not need to retrain your engineers on how it operates; and then provide a method to 'pause' the virtual machine, perform a backup, and continue processing at times when the machine is down or in your normal scheduled downtime.  Backing up the entire virtual environment over to your usual file storage SAN/NAS, then over to your backup solution with all the other machines is a huge time saver.  Most of those older machines either did not support networking in hardware, or was such an old OS/App combo that I would never attempt to put them on our LAN.</p><p>Now granted, if your hardware is under a support contract, you are probably forbidden from making such a change.  But as you stated that you maintain your own replacement parts stock, I'll assume that is not something you have, or not an option (as is our case for most of the older 2nd hand machines)</p></div>
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<tokenext>At work we have PC 's much older than that , running manufacturing equipment .
If any of them break down , I have a whole room full of old PC 's that I could simply search for parts .
Eventually we 'll run out of parts ( the equipment need ISA bus to operate ) , but at this rate , we 're good for another 25 years or so.I manage IT at a manufacturer as well , and have come across this same issue.Too many manufacturing machines use old PCs for their controllers due to two main reasons , one exactly as you mentioned ( ISA slots ) , and two is timing issues with faster CPUs.My solution has been a more modern computer , dosbox ( or worst case vmware ) , and a USB to ISA Slot adapter such as this guy [ arstech.com ] You then get all the benifits of having a visualization/abstraction layer between the old software , and more modern hardware.With dosbox , you can limit CPU type and speed down to the hertz , and with a choice of running the translation drivers on the host ( So the emulator accesses the hosts " isa bus " directly ) or in the emulator itself ( If the software is win95 or better based , this is a more direct option.. But if it is DOS based , it is easier to not mess with USB DOS support and do it on the host ) The trick is to do the scripting yourself for the 'behind the scenes ' work , like booting into the visualization layer then into the software automatically and 'full screen ' , so you will not need to retrain your engineers on how it operates ; and then provide a method to 'pause ' the virtual machine , perform a backup , and continue processing at times when the machine is down or in your normal scheduled downtime .
Backing up the entire virtual environment over to your usual file storage SAN/NAS , then over to your backup solution with all the other machines is a huge time saver .
Most of those older machines either did not support networking in hardware , or was such an old OS/App combo that I would never attempt to put them on our LAN.Now granted , if your hardware is under a support contract , you are probably forbidden from making such a change .
But as you stated that you maintain your own replacement parts stock , I 'll assume that is not something you have , or not an option ( as is our case for most of the older 2nd hand machines )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At work we have PC's much older than that, running manufacturing equipment.
If any of them break down, I have a whole room full of old PC's that I could simply search for parts.
Eventually we'll run out of parts (the equipment need ISA bus to operate), but at this rate, we're good for another 25 years or so.I manage IT at a manufacturer as well, and have come across this same issue.Too many manufacturing machines use old PCs for their controllers due to two main reasons, one exactly as you mentioned (ISA slots), and two is timing issues with faster CPUs.My solution has been a more modern computer, dosbox (or worst case vmware), and a USB to ISA Slot adapter such as this guy [arstech.com]You then get all the benifits of having a visualization/abstraction layer between the old software, and more modern hardware.With dosbox, you can limit CPU type and speed down to the hertz, and with a choice of running the translation drivers on the host (So the emulator accesses the hosts "isa bus" directly) or in the emulator itself (If the software is win95 or better based, this is a more direct option.. But if it is DOS based, it is easier to not mess with USB DOS support and do it on the host)The trick is to do the scripting yourself for the 'behind the scenes' work, like booting into the visualization layer then into the software automatically and 'full screen', so you will not need to retrain your engineers on how it operates; and then provide a method to 'pause' the virtual machine, perform a backup, and continue processing at times when the machine is down or in your normal scheduled downtime.
Backing up the entire virtual environment over to your usual file storage SAN/NAS, then over to your backup solution with all the other machines is a huge time saver.
Most of those older machines either did not support networking in hardware, or was such an old OS/App combo that I would never attempt to put them on our LAN.Now granted, if your hardware is under a support contract, you are probably forbidden from making such a change.
But as you stated that you maintain your own replacement parts stock, I'll assume that is not something you have, or not an option (as is our case for most of the older 2nd hand machines)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653047</id>
	<title>I have if needed</title>
	<author>heroshima</author>
	<datestamp>1247254380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have some dos 3.x on 5.25 floppy in my workshop, err  dungeon thats it dungeon , I also have a rather large box 12/14/6 of 5.25 with various programs and games id be glad to send out.  I just hate to throw away good floppy's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some dos 3.x on 5.25 floppy in my workshop , err dungeon thats it dungeon , I also have a rather large box 12/14/6 of 5.25 with various programs and games id be glad to send out .
I just hate to throw away good floppy 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some dos 3.x on 5.25 floppy in my workshop, err  dungeon thats it dungeon , I also have a rather large box 12/14/6 of 5.25 with various programs and games id be glad to send out.
I just hate to throw away good floppy's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650473</id>
	<title>Run linux on it!</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1247243340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://elks.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://elks.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //elks.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://elks.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650141</id>
	<title>I did the same with an Apple ][E</title>
	<author>darthcamaro</author>
	<datestamp>1247242080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually not that long ago, i dug out my old Apple IIe and got it to boot up.

I found some tutorials online (and a YouTube vid or two) and now it's running Gentoo

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAYmlVWHNs" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAYmlVWHNs</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually not that long ago , i dug out my old Apple IIe and got it to boot up .
I found some tutorials online ( and a YouTube vid or two ) and now it 's running Gentoo http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 0EAYmlVWHNs [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually not that long ago, i dug out my old Apple IIe and got it to boot up.
I found some tutorials online (and a YouTube vid or two) and now it's running Gentoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAYmlVWHNs [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650879</id>
	<title>local computer clubs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247244900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try a local computer club.  They tend to be filled with crazy old packrats who talk a lot but don't really know much for all their years, and have all kinds of stuff dating back to the 80s piled ceiling-high.  Plus, no lives, so they have time to talk about it or go hunting through their stuff for obscure parts you might need.  They're basically the Slashdot forums of real life *rimshot*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a local computer club .
They tend to be filled with crazy old packrats who talk a lot but do n't really know much for all their years , and have all kinds of stuff dating back to the 80s piled ceiling-high .
Plus , no lives , so they have time to talk about it or go hunting through their stuff for obscure parts you might need .
They 're basically the Slashdot forums of real life * rimshot *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a local computer club.
They tend to be filled with crazy old packrats who talk a lot but don't really know much for all their years, and have all kinds of stuff dating back to the 80s piled ceiling-high.
Plus, no lives, so they have time to talk about it or go hunting through their stuff for obscure parts you might need.
They're basically the Slashdot forums of real life *rimshot*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651383</id>
	<title>Motivation!</title>
	<author>FlyingGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247247240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I went digging around in the garage and found my IBM-PC (8088 64K RAM - Green Screen two 360K floppies ) and I figured I would see if the damn thing would even power on.  Un-boxed it, hooked up the original keyboard and display plugged in the power cord for the cpu and display and thought for a minute...  Hit the monitor power switch and after a few seconds or static crackle I saw a raster line.  Then I hit the power for the CPU.  The fan started to whir, the drives looked for disks sequentially, then up popped ROM basic!</p><p>Fine little machine that IBM-PC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I went digging around in the garage and found my IBM-PC ( 8088 64K RAM - Green Screen two 360K floppies ) and I figured I would see if the damn thing would even power on .
Un-boxed it , hooked up the original keyboard and display plugged in the power cord for the cpu and display and thought for a minute... Hit the monitor power switch and after a few seconds or static crackle I saw a raster line .
Then I hit the power for the CPU .
The fan started to whir , the drives looked for disks sequentially , then up popped ROM basic ! Fine little machine that IBM-PC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I went digging around in the garage and found my IBM-PC (8088 64K RAM - Green Screen two 360K floppies ) and I figured I would see if the damn thing would even power on.
Un-boxed it, hooked up the original keyboard and display plugged in the power cord for the cpu and display and thought for a minute...  Hit the monitor power switch and after a few seconds or static crackle I saw a raster line.
Then I hit the power for the CPU.
The fan started to whir, the drives looked for disks sequentially, then up popped ROM basic!Fine little machine that IBM-PC</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650017</id>
	<title>On an Olivetti philos</title>
	<author>Theluiss</author>
	<datestamp>1247241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've done it with an Olivetti philos colo 45, It's a notebook quite aged, I've installed Slackware without graphical interface and it runs quite good, look for an old version of slackware, like slack 7 that's still on diskettes, I've had some trouble installing, but with a few googling you can find you way, by the way I have to say there were win95 on the machine and it ran quite good even with that.
Anyway I think it's always astonishing resurrecting an old machine,
good work man!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done it with an Olivetti philos colo 45 , It 's a notebook quite aged , I 've installed Slackware without graphical interface and it runs quite good , look for an old version of slackware , like slack 7 that 's still on diskettes , I 've had some trouble installing , but with a few googling you can find you way , by the way I have to say there were win95 on the machine and it ran quite good even with that .
Anyway I think it 's always astonishing resurrecting an old machine , good work man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done it with an Olivetti philos colo 45, It's a notebook quite aged, I've installed Slackware without graphical interface and it runs quite good, look for an old version of slackware, like slack 7 that's still on diskettes, I've had some trouble installing, but with a few googling you can find you way, by the way I have to say there were win95 on the machine and it ran quite good even with that.
Anyway I think it's always astonishing resurrecting an old machine,
good work man!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649473</id>
	<title>Never tried that, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1247239500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never tried to resurrect a "PC" that old.  I did try to resurrect a 1981 Osborne 1, though, as well as an old Kaypro, both predating the "PC" by a yiddle.  CP/M, yeah baby!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never tried to resurrect a " PC " that old .
I did try to resurrect a 1981 Osborne 1 , though , as well as an old Kaypro , both predating the " PC " by a yiddle .
CP/M , yeah baby !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never tried to resurrect a "PC" that old.
I did try to resurrect a 1981 Osborne 1, though, as well as an old Kaypro, both predating the "PC" by a yiddle.
CP/M, yeah baby!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649553</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>eBay is fine for obtaining a supply of disks, but not necessarily so fine for finding software.  However, see <a href="http://www.freedos.org/" title="freedos.org" rel="nofollow">the FreeDOS site</a> [freedos.org] for a likely operating system.  That software should allow you to connect a CD-ROM drive (again eBay can be your friend), after which you should be able to find all sorts of DOS software you can run (eBay, again!).</htmltext>
<tokenext>eBay is fine for obtaining a supply of disks , but not necessarily so fine for finding software .
However , see the FreeDOS site [ freedos.org ] for a likely operating system .
That software should allow you to connect a CD-ROM drive ( again eBay can be your friend ) , after which you should be able to find all sorts of DOS software you can run ( eBay , again !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eBay is fine for obtaining a supply of disks, but not necessarily so fine for finding software.
However, see the FreeDOS site [freedos.org] for a likely operating system.
That software should allow you to connect a CD-ROM drive (again eBay can be your friend), after which you should be able to find all sorts of DOS software you can run (eBay, again!
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650395</id>
	<title>Re:What are you guys talking about?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I went to school for programming, and I've only been out for a year, so I'm still pretty new to all this. But what on Earth does "Cut your teeth" mean?</p></div><p>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=\%22cut+your+teath\%22</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to school for programming , and I 've only been out for a year , so I 'm still pretty new to all this .
But what on Earth does " Cut your teeth " mean ? http : //lmgtfy.com/ ? q = \ % 22cut + your + teath \ % 22</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to school for programming, and I've only been out for a year, so I'm still pretty new to all this.
But what on Earth does "Cut your teeth" mean?http://lmgtfy.com/?q=\%22cut+your+teath\%22
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650301</id>
	<title>Retro mod</title>
	<author>erogenizer</author>
	<datestamp>1247242680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use the case for a retro mod.

1) Pop in a top notch main board / graphics and set the start up sound to the 5 1/4 seek and read.
2) Take it to a LAN party and make some wagers.
3) Profit

Be sure to wear a pocket protector and high waters or they will see right through you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use the case for a retro mod .
1 ) Pop in a top notch main board / graphics and set the start up sound to the 5 1/4 seek and read .
2 ) Take it to a LAN party and make some wagers .
3 ) Profit Be sure to wear a pocket protector and high waters or they will see right through you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use the case for a retro mod.
1) Pop in a top notch main board / graphics and set the start up sound to the 5 1/4 seek and read.
2) Take it to a LAN party and make some wagers.
3) Profit

Be sure to wear a pocket protector and high waters or they will see right through you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650851</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1247244780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Well it's not *that* old, it's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Well, some people need about 128K more, which should be enough for anybody.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it 's not * that * old , it 's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram.. . Well , some people need about 128K more , which should be enough for anybody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it's not *that* old, it's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram...
Well, some people need about 128K more, which should be enough for anybody.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652285</id>
	<title>I have an identical one.</title>
	<author>technos</author>
	<datestamp>1247251500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it *was* identical spec when new. The case has been missing since the late '90's, the 8088 is now a NEC V20, the clock speed is now ~17MHz, and the parallel port has a resistor based DAC free-soldered onto it, but it still runs. I use a single density 3 1/2 floppy to boot FreeDOS and then run a terminal emulator, though it has also run Minix, Xenix and Linux over the years.</p><p>If you have trouble getting FreeDOS to run, I still have the original EPSON DOS disk images somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it * was * identical spec when new .
The case has been missing since the late '90 's , the 8088 is now a NEC V20 , the clock speed is now ~ 17MHz , and the parallel port has a resistor based DAC free-soldered onto it , but it still runs .
I use a single density 3 1/2 floppy to boot FreeDOS and then run a terminal emulator , though it has also run Minix , Xenix and Linux over the years.If you have trouble getting FreeDOS to run , I still have the original EPSON DOS disk images somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it *was* identical spec when new.
The case has been missing since the late '90's, the 8088 is now a NEC V20, the clock speed is now ~17MHz, and the parallel port has a resistor based DAC free-soldered onto it, but it still runs.
I use a single density 3 1/2 floppy to boot FreeDOS and then run a terminal emulator, though it has also run Minix, Xenix and Linux over the years.If you have trouble getting FreeDOS to run, I still have the original EPSON DOS disk images somewhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650061</id>
	<title>Wated Effort</title>
	<author>mwiley</author>
	<datestamp>1247241840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did this a while back and after spending countless hours messing with it and finally getting it to work I asked myself "now what?" and put it back in the box!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did this a while back and after spending countless hours messing with it and finally getting it to work I asked myself " now what ?
" and put it back in the box !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did this a while back and after spending countless hours messing with it and finally getting it to work I asked myself "now what?
" and put it back in the box!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649589</id>
	<title>TRS-80</title>
	<author>192939495969798999</author>
	<datestamp>1247239980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a TRS-80 working but try to find the BIG floppies for it, and you're headed to eBay and similar places quite a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a TRS-80 working but try to find the BIG floppies for it , and you 're headed to eBay and similar places quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a TRS-80 working but try to find the BIG floppies for it, and you're headed to eBay and similar places quite a bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649793</id>
	<title>I have experince with this.</title>
	<author>Zombie Ryushu</author>
	<datestamp>1247240820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to upgrade the RAM to 640 KB. Generally Radio Shack has some SIPPs you can add to the motherboard to add the last 128 KB.</p><p>You will need to find a Double density 3.5 floppy drive with a Card edge adaptor. This will allow you to use double density 3.5 floppies in the computer. (High Density will not work.)</p><p>You can network this be getting an 8-bit NIC that has a BNC and AUI port, then adding an AUI to UTP tranciever, but you can't use DHCP with it. The WATTCP stack for Dos will require a static IP.</p><p>If the video card is in an ISA slot, (and some times even it it isn't.) get a 16 bit ISA Trident VGA Card. This will give you VGA, EGA and CGA support. You can then plug the Computer into a standard monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to upgrade the RAM to 640 KB .
Generally Radio Shack has some SIPPs you can add to the motherboard to add the last 128 KB.You will need to find a Double density 3.5 floppy drive with a Card edge adaptor .
This will allow you to use double density 3.5 floppies in the computer .
( High Density will not work .
) You can network this be getting an 8-bit NIC that has a BNC and AUI port , then adding an AUI to UTP tranciever , but you ca n't use DHCP with it .
The WATTCP stack for Dos will require a static IP.If the video card is in an ISA slot , ( and some times even it it is n't .
) get a 16 bit ISA Trident VGA Card .
This will give you VGA , EGA and CGA support .
You can then plug the Computer into a standard monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to upgrade the RAM to 640 KB.
Generally Radio Shack has some SIPPs you can add to the motherboard to add the last 128 KB.You will need to find a Double density 3.5 floppy drive with a Card edge adaptor.
This will allow you to use double density 3.5 floppies in the computer.
(High Density will not work.
)You can network this be getting an 8-bit NIC that has a BNC and AUI port, then adding an AUI to UTP tranciever, but you can't use DHCP with it.
The WATTCP stack for Dos will require a static IP.If the video card is in an ISA slot, (and some times even it it isn't.
) get a 16 bit ISA Trident VGA Card.
This will give you VGA, EGA and CGA support.
You can then plug the Computer into a standard monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650109</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1247242020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think it quite compares to Frank's 2000 inch TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it quite compares to Frank 's 2000 inch TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it quite compares to Frank's 2000 inch TV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651575</id>
	<title>Re:FreeDOS</title>
	<author>Fatalv</author>
	<datestamp>1247248440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you mean: <p><div class="quote"><p>NetBSD probably would boot on this machine.</p></div><p> It's been powering my 25 year old toaster for years!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you mean : NetBSD probably would boot on this machine .
It 's been powering my 25 year old toaster for years !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you mean: NetBSD probably would boot on this machine.
It's been powering my 25 year old toaster for years!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650653</id>
	<title>get an amiga !</title>
	<author>yossarianuk</author>
	<datestamp>1247244120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why bother with the PC is was rubbish at the time - Get an amiga...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother with the PC is was rubbish at the time - Get an amiga.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother with the PC is was rubbish at the time - Get an amiga...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651257</id>
	<title>been done</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1247246640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i heard of this other guy that pulled something like that off once, but i can't seem to remember his name... was it Jacob? Jessie? Justin? not sure... anyway i think he died a while ago, but i think he left some notes in this book his dad supposedly wrote, though it was published anonymously, so no one's really sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i heard of this other guy that pulled something like that off once , but i ca n't seem to remember his name... was it Jacob ?
Jessie ? Justin ?
not sure... anyway i think he died a while ago , but i think he left some notes in this book his dad supposedly wrote , though it was published anonymously , so no one 's really sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i heard of this other guy that pulled something like that off once, but i can't seem to remember his name... was it Jacob?
Jessie? Justin?
not sure... anyway i think he died a while ago, but i think he left some notes in this book his dad supposedly wrote, though it was published anonymously, so no one's really sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654653</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247218560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Me, I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machines</p></div><p>Radio Shack Model I.  At school.  Uphill.  Snow.  Both ways.  Barefoot.  Was thankful.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Me , I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machinesRadio Shack Model I. At school .
Uphill. Snow .
Both ways .
Barefoot. Was thankful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me, I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machinesRadio Shack Model I.  At school.
Uphill.  Snow.
Both ways.
Barefoot.  Was thankful.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650321</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's right, and in fact the old 360k/1.2Mb 5.25" drives are still supported by modern motherboards, since the floppy cable standard never changed. You will still find the option in your BIOS if your motherboard has a floppy cable socket, which it probably does.</p><p>Ironically, SATA has helped to keep this dinosaur standard alive, as the easiest way to install Windows XP on a SATA disk is to use a floppy drive to load the required SATA drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's right , and in fact the old 360k/1.2Mb 5.25 " drives are still supported by modern motherboards , since the floppy cable standard never changed .
You will still find the option in your BIOS if your motherboard has a floppy cable socket , which it probably does.Ironically , SATA has helped to keep this dinosaur standard alive , as the easiest way to install Windows XP on a SATA disk is to use a floppy drive to load the required SATA drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's right, and in fact the old 360k/1.2Mb 5.25" drives are still supported by modern motherboards, since the floppy cable standard never changed.
You will still find the option in your BIOS if your motherboard has a floppy cable socket, which it probably does.Ironically, SATA has helped to keep this dinosaur standard alive, as the easiest way to install Windows XP on a SATA disk is to use a floppy drive to load the required SATA drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650349</id>
	<title>Another IBM PC Compatible</title>
	<author>linebackn</author>
	<datestamp>1247242860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This looks like a more or less standard boring old IBM PC compatible computer. There are truckloads of great old DOS programs floating around out there if you look around (although sadly most people only feel inclined to preserve games, not utilities and such)</p><p>Probably the easiest thing to do is connect a 360k drive to a somewhat more "modern" networked computer that has an internal floppy disk controller, and write disk images or files directly to it. One hint though, do not write 360k floppies with a 1.2mb 5.25" drive, they usually won't work due to differences in the size of the magnetic track written. If you need 5.25 floppy disks, you can usually find them on eBay - heck there are still 8" disks and punch cards floating around!</p><p>That system might be able to run up to MS/PC DOS 6.22 or perhaps even FreeDOS, but if there is no hard drive you probably would be best served with DOS 2.x or 3.x, they take up less disk space and memory.</p><p>There are various other OSes for 8088/8086 IBM PC compatibles (CP/M 86, and Xenix come to mind) as well as GUI shells (Visi-On, GEM, GEOS, and Windows 1.0 through 3.0) but most of the useful stuff for that class of machine is for plain old DOS.</p><p>If you are looking to add hardware, there is also plenty of old ISA stuff floating around on eBay. You might be able to add a 720k 3.5" floppy drive (check the physical bay size and connector compatibility) or a 1.4mb drive using an ISA controller card with a BIOS. 8-bit MFM/RLL hard drives and controllers, I'm sure I have even seen 8-bit IDE controllers before. There are ISA VGA cards that will work in 8 bit ISA systems (often they look like 16-bit cards but will still fit and operate in an 8-bit slot)</p><p>Anyway, lots of options but not as unique as TI-99/4a, Apple II, TRS-80 or such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This looks like a more or less standard boring old IBM PC compatible computer .
There are truckloads of great old DOS programs floating around out there if you look around ( although sadly most people only feel inclined to preserve games , not utilities and such ) Probably the easiest thing to do is connect a 360k drive to a somewhat more " modern " networked computer that has an internal floppy disk controller , and write disk images or files directly to it .
One hint though , do not write 360k floppies with a 1.2mb 5.25 " drive , they usually wo n't work due to differences in the size of the magnetic track written .
If you need 5.25 floppy disks , you can usually find them on eBay - heck there are still 8 " disks and punch cards floating around ! That system might be able to run up to MS/PC DOS 6.22 or perhaps even FreeDOS , but if there is no hard drive you probably would be best served with DOS 2.x or 3.x , they take up less disk space and memory.There are various other OSes for 8088/8086 IBM PC compatibles ( CP/M 86 , and Xenix come to mind ) as well as GUI shells ( Visi-On , GEM , GEOS , and Windows 1.0 through 3.0 ) but most of the useful stuff for that class of machine is for plain old DOS.If you are looking to add hardware , there is also plenty of old ISA stuff floating around on eBay .
You might be able to add a 720k 3.5 " floppy drive ( check the physical bay size and connector compatibility ) or a 1.4mb drive using an ISA controller card with a BIOS .
8-bit MFM/RLL hard drives and controllers , I 'm sure I have even seen 8-bit IDE controllers before .
There are ISA VGA cards that will work in 8 bit ISA systems ( often they look like 16-bit cards but will still fit and operate in an 8-bit slot ) Anyway , lots of options but not as unique as TI-99/4a , Apple II , TRS-80 or such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This looks like a more or less standard boring old IBM PC compatible computer.
There are truckloads of great old DOS programs floating around out there if you look around (although sadly most people only feel inclined to preserve games, not utilities and such)Probably the easiest thing to do is connect a 360k drive to a somewhat more "modern" networked computer that has an internal floppy disk controller, and write disk images or files directly to it.
One hint though, do not write 360k floppies with a 1.2mb 5.25" drive, they usually won't work due to differences in the size of the magnetic track written.
If you need 5.25 floppy disks, you can usually find them on eBay - heck there are still 8" disks and punch cards floating around!That system might be able to run up to MS/PC DOS 6.22 or perhaps even FreeDOS, but if there is no hard drive you probably would be best served with DOS 2.x or 3.x, they take up less disk space and memory.There are various other OSes for 8088/8086 IBM PC compatibles (CP/M 86, and Xenix come to mind) as well as GUI shells (Visi-On, GEM, GEOS, and Windows 1.0 through 3.0) but most of the useful stuff for that class of machine is for plain old DOS.If you are looking to add hardware, there is also plenty of old ISA stuff floating around on eBay.
You might be able to add a 720k 3.5" floppy drive (check the physical bay size and connector compatibility) or a 1.4mb drive using an ISA controller card with a BIOS.
8-bit MFM/RLL hard drives and controllers, I'm sure I have even seen 8-bit IDE controllers before.
There are ISA VGA cards that will work in 8 bit ISA systems (often they look like 16-bit cards but will still fit and operate in an 8-bit slot)Anyway, lots of options but not as unique as TI-99/4a, Apple II, TRS-80 or such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650677</id>
	<title>old equipment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247244180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About the best use for that old machine would be a dumb terminal for to attach to a unix/linux box or for electronics projects host.</p><p>ebay craigslist are so so.<br>resale shops, garage sales, and swap meets might be a better way to go. you might be surprised to find that many other people have some of those old relics also. Just ask around. Freedos and using 3 1/2 inch drives might be the way to do. you can use dhcp with wattcp. I have used it many times for ghost software clients.<br>Minix might work on that old machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About the best use for that old machine would be a dumb terminal for to attach to a unix/linux box or for electronics projects host.ebay craigslist are so so.resale shops , garage sales , and swap meets might be a better way to go .
you might be surprised to find that many other people have some of those old relics also .
Just ask around .
Freedos and using 3 1/2 inch drives might be the way to do .
you can use dhcp with wattcp .
I have used it many times for ghost software clients.Minix might work on that old machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About the best use for that old machine would be a dumb terminal for to attach to a unix/linux box or for electronics projects host.ebay craigslist are so so.resale shops, garage sales, and swap meets might be a better way to go.
you might be surprised to find that many other people have some of those old relics also.
Just ask around.
Freedos and using 3 1/2 inch drives might be the way to do.
you can use dhcp with wattcp.
I have used it many times for ghost software clients.Minix might work on that old machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650425</id>
	<title>MC Double Def DP Sayz</title>
	<author>Daswolfen</author>
	<datestamp>1247243100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>D-D-D-D-Don't copy that floopy.</p><p>Word to your motherboard.</p><p>I'm outta here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>D-D-D-D-Do n't copy that floopy.Word to your motherboard.I 'm outta here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>D-D-D-D-Don't copy that floopy.Word to your motherboard.I'm outta here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649517</id>
	<title>Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>T-BoneX</author>
	<datestamp>1247239680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool, it is very educational to work with old computer's</p><p>Nice things to do:<br>- add extra ram by using an ISA memory expansion card (up to 2MB !!!), running windows 3.0 would then be possible !<br>- 200mb+ IDE/MFM drive (the latter where mostly smaller though and a bit hard to get)<br>- ISA VGA card<br>- ISA Soundblaster<br>- ISA ethernetcard<br>- run Arachne and surf the WEB !!!!!!!!!!!!, heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>- a lot more upgrade options, FPU etc.. etc..</p><p>Greetings and Enjoy and good luck hunting down Dos software</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool , it is very educational to work with old computer'sNice things to do : - add extra ram by using an ISA memory expansion card ( up to 2MB ! ! !
) , running windows 3.0 would then be possible ! - 200mb + IDE/MFM drive ( the latter where mostly smaller though and a bit hard to get ) - ISA VGA card- ISA Soundblaster- ISA ethernetcard- run Arachne and surf the WEB ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
! , heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot : ) - a lot more upgrade options , FPU etc.. etc..Greetings and Enjoy and good luck hunting down Dos software</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool, it is very educational to work with old computer'sNice things to do:- add extra ram by using an ISA memory expansion card (up to 2MB !!!
), running windows 3.0 would then be possible !- 200mb+ IDE/MFM drive (the latter where mostly smaller though and a bit hard to get)- ISA VGA card- ISA Soundblaster- ISA ethernetcard- run Arachne and surf the WEB !!!!!!!!!!!
!, heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot :)- a lot more upgrade options, FPU etc.. etc..Greetings and Enjoy and good luck hunting down Dos software</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651267</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>ei4anb</author>
	<datestamp>1247246700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you can download a boot floppy image from <a href="http://www.bootdisk.com/" title="bootdisk.com">http://www.bootdisk.com/</a> [bootdisk.com]
The floppy drives of that era often had a rubber drive belt. Check if the rubber has perished or become brittle. Also some had to be calibrated from time to time as the motor speed control was prone to drift. The process was to shine a strobe light (a flourescent tube may do) on the calibration pattern on the drive spindle (looks like a dart board) and ajust the speed till it appears to stop.<p>Yes, you can connect the drive to a recent PC (a few years old would be better as floppy drives are uncommon now). The power connector is the same as modern HDD but the data connector has changed. In 1984 floppy drives the cable connector plugged onto the edge of the PCB. Get the cable on eBay. </p><p>Epson made well engineered PCs, I have an Epson PX-8 from 1984 (laptop running CP/M) still working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can download a boot floppy image from http : //www.bootdisk.com/ [ bootdisk.com ] The floppy drives of that era often had a rubber drive belt .
Check if the rubber has perished or become brittle .
Also some had to be calibrated from time to time as the motor speed control was prone to drift .
The process was to shine a strobe light ( a flourescent tube may do ) on the calibration pattern on the drive spindle ( looks like a dart board ) and ajust the speed till it appears to stop.Yes , you can connect the drive to a recent PC ( a few years old would be better as floppy drives are uncommon now ) .
The power connector is the same as modern HDD but the data connector has changed .
In 1984 floppy drives the cable connector plugged onto the edge of the PCB .
Get the cable on eBay .
Epson made well engineered PCs , I have an Epson PX-8 from 1984 ( laptop running CP/M ) still working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can download a boot floppy image from http://www.bootdisk.com/ [bootdisk.com]
The floppy drives of that era often had a rubber drive belt.
Check if the rubber has perished or become brittle.
Also some had to be calibrated from time to time as the motor speed control was prone to drift.
The process was to shine a strobe light (a flourescent tube may do) on the calibration pattern on the drive spindle (looks like a dart board) and ajust the speed till it appears to stop.Yes, you can connect the drive to a recent PC (a few years old would be better as floppy drives are uncommon now).
The power connector is the same as modern HDD but the data connector has changed.
In 1984 floppy drives the cable connector plugged onto the edge of the PCB.
Get the cable on eBay.
Epson made well engineered PCs, I have an Epson PX-8 from 1984 (laptop running CP/M) still working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649927</id>
	<title>Re:Contact Customer Support?</title>
	<author>Col. Panic</author>
	<datestamp>1247241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>imagine the tech receiving this tech support call. "hi, i'd like to get the original software that came with my system.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... 1984.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... hello?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>imagine the tech receiving this tech support call .
" hi , i 'd like to get the original software that came with my system .
... 1984 .
... hello ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>imagine the tech receiving this tech support call.
"hi, i'd like to get the original software that came with my system.
... 1984.
... hello?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650171</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1247242200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, can't do that.</p><p>But... It could run the elks kernel with the regular gnu tools on top of it.<br><a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , ca n't do that.But... It could run the elks kernel with the regular gnu tools on top of it.http : //sourceforge.net/projects/elks/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, can't do that.But... It could run the elks kernel with the regular gnu tools on top of it.http://sourceforge.net/projects/elks/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649437</id>
	<title>Just admit it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984: Epson Equity I personal computer</p></div><p>Just admit it, it was under your bed wasn't it? At least now it's on that thing you call a table.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yesterday I dug out of my parents ' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984 : Epson Equity I personal computerJust admit it , it was under your bed was n't it ?
At least now it 's on that thing you call a table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a PC they had bought brand new in 1984: Epson Equity I personal computerJust admit it, it was under your bed wasn't it?
At least now it's on that thing you call a table.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649687</id>
	<title>Still have the manuals...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=14213</p><p>Gotta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I'm thinking that might actually work...</p><p>I wonder what standard the internal HDD uses? I don't think ATA-1 showed up until '86 or 87... I was thinking you could pull the drive and plunk an image down onto it, but that might not be a viable option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp ? oid = 14213Gotta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I 'm thinking that might actually work...I wonder what standard the internal HDD uses ?
I do n't think ATA-1 showed up until '86 or 87... I was thinking you could pull the drive and plunk an image down onto it , but that might not be a viable option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=14213Gotta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I'm thinking that might actually work...I wonder what standard the internal HDD uses?
I don't think ATA-1 showed up until '86 or 87... I was thinking you could pull the drive and plunk an image down onto it, but that might not be a viable option.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649369</id>
	<title>resurrection of a compaq 286e</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i found some old dos disks at a friend's house</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i found some old dos disks at a friend 's house</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i found some old dos disks at a friend's house</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650459</id>
	<title>Re:Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1247243280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another fun thing to do with a computer like this:</p><p>Wait for the next big local electronics-oriented flea market - take it there, stick a sign on it marked "Free, or best offer" and go wander off in the hope that some poor slob will think it looks like a fun machine and take it off your hands...</p><p>I mean, seriously, consider just how much of a piece of junk the thing is...  You can pimp it out with all kinds of old surplus ISA hardware (which is getting harder to find, BTW, since the bus has long since been eliminated from modern PCs) but it's still going to be a piece of junk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another fun thing to do with a computer like this : Wait for the next big local electronics-oriented flea market - take it there , stick a sign on it marked " Free , or best offer " and go wander off in the hope that some poor slob will think it looks like a fun machine and take it off your hands...I mean , seriously , consider just how much of a piece of junk the thing is... You can pimp it out with all kinds of old surplus ISA hardware ( which is getting harder to find , BTW , since the bus has long since been eliminated from modern PCs ) but it 's still going to be a piece of junk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another fun thing to do with a computer like this:Wait for the next big local electronics-oriented flea market - take it there, stick a sign on it marked "Free, or best offer" and go wander off in the hope that some poor slob will think it looks like a fun machine and take it off your hands...I mean, seriously, consider just how much of a piece of junk the thing is...  You can pimp it out with all kinds of old surplus ISA hardware (which is getting harder to find, BTW, since the bus has long since been eliminated from modern PCs) but it's still going to be a piece of junk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650137</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1247242080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's probably just a card edge connector with the same pins, same pinout.  It shouldn't be hard to get a cable with both connectors on it.  Very few floppies ever had non-standard connectors, the 5 1/4" had the card edge and the 3 1/2" had the pins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's probably just a card edge connector with the same pins , same pinout .
It should n't be hard to get a cable with both connectors on it .
Very few floppies ever had non-standard connectors , the 5 1/4 " had the card edge and the 3 1/2 " had the pins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's probably just a card edge connector with the same pins, same pinout.
It shouldn't be hard to get a cable with both connectors on it.
Very few floppies ever had non-standard connectors, the 5 1/4" had the card edge and the 3 1/2" had the pins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652763</id>
	<title>Re:Yesterdays PC, todays Embedded chip</title>
	<author>Gordonjcp</author>
	<datestamp>1247253480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need an EPROM burner, because there's already a boot ROM in the machine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>Just write a simple OS to run from bare metal.  You can use DOS to develop it, and then boot off a floppy to test your funky new OS.  A simple machine code monitor would be an evening's work.  If you spent a week of evenings, you could write your own port of Forth and then you can have some proper fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need an EPROM burner , because there 's already a boot ROM in the machine ; - ) Just write a simple OS to run from bare metal .
You can use DOS to develop it , and then boot off a floppy to test your funky new OS .
A simple machine code monitor would be an evening 's work .
If you spent a week of evenings , you could write your own port of Forth and then you can have some proper fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need an EPROM burner, because there's already a boot ROM in the machine ;-)Just write a simple OS to run from bare metal.
You can use DOS to develop it, and then boot off a floppy to test your funky new OS.
A simple machine code monitor would be an evening's work.
If you spent a week of evenings, you could write your own port of Forth and then you can have some proper fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649593</id>
	<title>Do a hardware upgrade!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will probably be the best upgrade you have ever done!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will probably be the best upgrade you have ever done !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will probably be the best upgrade you have ever done!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649991</id>
	<title>I have one of these...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, an Equity I+, anyway.  I don't remember what the "+" means.  I know mine has the Hercules card and high res mono monitor.  Probably dead.</p><p>Issues you'll run into:

</p><ul> <li> <p>360k floppies can't be written on a 1.2MB floppy drive and then read in a 360k drive, generally.  You're best bet to write floppies that can be read by the 360k drive is to move the drive to a newer PC (something with an ISA bus probably has 5.25" floppy connectors) and image them there.</p></li>

<li> <p>Floppy disks don't last very long, so any stashes you might locate are unlikely to be readable.  Maybe if they've been stored under ideal conditions the whole time.</p><p>I tried to archive the contents of my old floppies associated with this machine 10-15 years ago, and I couldn't scrape all the bits off.  I lost the WordStar executable, sadly.  (I may have gotten good OS install floppy images, though.)</p></li>

<li> <p>I don't know if the BIOS can handle newer hardware, like a 720k or 1.2MB floppy drive, or an IDE controller.  If you have the MFM controller, you could transplant that into a newer ISA machine and image the hard drive from there.</p></li> </ul><p>I would be willing to sell you mine if it would help, but the machine is worthless.  Unless a museum is willing to pay you to assemble and ship it to them, I would leave it on ice for another decade or two.  (I guess that's what I'm doing, although more out of laziness than planning.)</p><p>If you do get the machine running, you can set the MS-DOS console to the serial port.  Then if you can find an ancient Kermit or something you can transfer files to a real computer without trying to find an Ethernet card and drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , an Equity I + , anyway .
I do n't remember what the " + " means .
I know mine has the Hercules card and high res mono monitor .
Probably dead.Issues you 'll run into : 360k floppies ca n't be written on a 1.2MB floppy drive and then read in a 360k drive , generally .
You 're best bet to write floppies that can be read by the 360k drive is to move the drive to a newer PC ( something with an ISA bus probably has 5.25 " floppy connectors ) and image them there .
Floppy disks do n't last very long , so any stashes you might locate are unlikely to be readable .
Maybe if they 've been stored under ideal conditions the whole time.I tried to archive the contents of my old floppies associated with this machine 10-15 years ago , and I could n't scrape all the bits off .
I lost the WordStar executable , sadly .
( I may have gotten good OS install floppy images , though .
) I do n't know if the BIOS can handle newer hardware , like a 720k or 1.2MB floppy drive , or an IDE controller .
If you have the MFM controller , you could transplant that into a newer ISA machine and image the hard drive from there .
I would be willing to sell you mine if it would help , but the machine is worthless .
Unless a museum is willing to pay you to assemble and ship it to them , I would leave it on ice for another decade or two .
( I guess that 's what I 'm doing , although more out of laziness than planning .
) If you do get the machine running , you can set the MS-DOS console to the serial port .
Then if you can find an ancient Kermit or something you can transfer files to a real computer without trying to find an Ethernet card and drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, an Equity I+, anyway.
I don't remember what the "+" means.
I know mine has the Hercules card and high res mono monitor.
Probably dead.Issues you'll run into:

  360k floppies can't be written on a 1.2MB floppy drive and then read in a 360k drive, generally.
You're best bet to write floppies that can be read by the 360k drive is to move the drive to a newer PC (something with an ISA bus probably has 5.25" floppy connectors) and image them there.
Floppy disks don't last very long, so any stashes you might locate are unlikely to be readable.
Maybe if they've been stored under ideal conditions the whole time.I tried to archive the contents of my old floppies associated with this machine 10-15 years ago, and I couldn't scrape all the bits off.
I lost the WordStar executable, sadly.
(I may have gotten good OS install floppy images, though.
)

 I don't know if the BIOS can handle newer hardware, like a 720k or 1.2MB floppy drive, or an IDE controller.
If you have the MFM controller, you could transplant that into a newer ISA machine and image the hard drive from there.
I would be willing to sell you mine if it would help, but the machine is worthless.
Unless a museum is willing to pay you to assemble and ship it to them, I would leave it on ice for another decade or two.
(I guess that's what I'm doing, although more out of laziness than planning.
)If you do get the machine running, you can set the MS-DOS console to the serial port.
Then if you can find an ancient Kermit or something you can transfer files to a real computer without trying to find an Ethernet card and drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653861</id>
	<title>But will it run ...</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1247257920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX" title="wikipedia.org">Minix</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Minix [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Minix [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649547</id>
	<title>Disks?</title>
	<author>sepelester</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.bootdisk.com/" title="bootdisk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bootdisk.com/</a> [bootdisk.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.bootdisk.com/ [ bootdisk.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.bootdisk.com/ [bootdisk.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651741</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>stevied</author>
	<datestamp>1247249340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'd need <a href="http://elks.sourceforge.net/introduction.html" title="sourceforge.net">ELKS</a> [sourceforge.net] on a pre-386 machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd need ELKS [ sourceforge.net ] on a pre-386 machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd need ELKS [sourceforge.net] on a pre-386 machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651629</id>
	<title>qnx2</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1247248740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can find old copies of QNX2 around, it would run on this machine - with multiple virtual consoles and almost unix-y shell, a C compiler and up to around 64 processes(tasks).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can find old copies of QNX2 around , it would run on this machine - with multiple virtual consoles and almost unix-y shell , a C compiler and up to around 64 processes ( tasks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can find old copies of QNX2 around, it would run on this machine - with multiple virtual consoles and almost unix-y shell, a C compiler and up to around 64 processes(tasks).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649455</id>
	<title>Not going to be easy</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1247239440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps using FreeDOS might help.  You could create boot disks if you still have a 5 1/4" spare drive  and put it in a modern computer.  Good luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps using FreeDOS might help .
You could create boot disks if you still have a 5 1/4 " spare drive and put it in a modern computer .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps using FreeDOS might help.
You could create boot disks if you still have a 5 1/4" spare drive  and put it in a modern computer.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649751</id>
	<title>Ask an old guy</title>
	<author>madfilipino</author>
	<datestamp>1247240640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you need to do is think old.
<br> <br>
There are some 8 bit ISA network cards and 8 bit SCSI cards.  Now to find an old SCSI hard drive (really old Macintosh).  As for floppy drives, buy a 3.5" floppy (Fry's Electronics), a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter, and drop it in there.
<br> <br>
Look around Goodwill or Salvation Army, they might have some stuff in there.  Same with some older churches; they usually have shit sitting in a dark room gathering dust because some grandma willed it to the church.
<br> <br>
As for the operating system, if you have an MSDN subscription, you can download DOS 6.22, or go FreeDOS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you need to do is think old .
There are some 8 bit ISA network cards and 8 bit SCSI cards .
Now to find an old SCSI hard drive ( really old Macintosh ) .
As for floppy drives , buy a 3.5 " floppy ( Fry 's Electronics ) , a 5.25 " to 3.5 " adapter , and drop it in there .
Look around Goodwill or Salvation Army , they might have some stuff in there .
Same with some older churches ; they usually have shit sitting in a dark room gathering dust because some grandma willed it to the church .
As for the operating system , if you have an MSDN subscription , you can download DOS 6.22 , or go FreeDOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you need to do is think old.
There are some 8 bit ISA network cards and 8 bit SCSI cards.
Now to find an old SCSI hard drive (really old Macintosh).
As for floppy drives, buy a 3.5" floppy (Fry's Electronics), a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter, and drop it in there.
Look around Goodwill or Salvation Army, they might have some stuff in there.
Same with some older churches; they usually have shit sitting in a dark room gathering dust because some grandma willed it to the church.
As for the operating system, if you have an MSDN subscription, you can download DOS 6.22, or go FreeDOS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651709</id>
	<title>Modern DOS will work</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1247249220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the system has some funky ROM (like Tandy used that locked in a specific OS) there's no reason not to use a modern DOS. I still have a working XT and 286, and they both run M$DOS 6.00 -- it's MUCH faster than the older versions and a lot more capable, and is extremely stable (my very busy 286 routinely ran for up to *two years* between reboots). M$DOS7 from Win9x is the same as  M$DOS6 but adds FAT32 support, and would work just as well. I presume one of the free DOS replacements, like FreeDOS, would also work.</p><p>The standard MSCDEX and Mouse drivers (v8.20 is best) should also work. You can get USB-to-some-other-port gadgets -- try cablenbits.com or tekgems.com, both are reliable vendors and carry all manner of oddball connectors and adapters.</p><p>What was the question again?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the system has some funky ROM ( like Tandy used that locked in a specific OS ) there 's no reason not to use a modern DOS .
I still have a working XT and 286 , and they both run M $ DOS 6.00 -- it 's MUCH faster than the older versions and a lot more capable , and is extremely stable ( my very busy 286 routinely ran for up to * two years * between reboots ) .
M $ DOS7 from Win9x is the same as M $ DOS6 but adds FAT32 support , and would work just as well .
I presume one of the free DOS replacements , like FreeDOS , would also work.The standard MSCDEX and Mouse drivers ( v8.20 is best ) should also work .
You can get USB-to-some-other-port gadgets -- try cablenbits.com or tekgems.com , both are reliable vendors and carry all manner of oddball connectors and adapters.What was the question again ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the system has some funky ROM (like Tandy used that locked in a specific OS) there's no reason not to use a modern DOS.
I still have a working XT and 286, and they both run M$DOS 6.00 -- it's MUCH faster than the older versions and a lot more capable, and is extremely stable (my very busy 286 routinely ran for up to *two years* between reboots).
M$DOS7 from Win9x is the same as  M$DOS6 but adds FAT32 support, and would work just as well.
I presume one of the free DOS replacements, like FreeDOS, would also work.The standard MSCDEX and Mouse drivers (v8.20 is best) should also work.
You can get USB-to-some-other-port gadgets -- try cablenbits.com or tekgems.com, both are reliable vendors and carry all manner of oddball connectors and adapters.What was the question again?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649521</id>
	<title>Weird Stuff, store in CA may have your disks</title>
	<author>b1gp0pp4</author>
	<datestamp>1247239740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a store called "Weird Stuff" in california that would probably have some old disks.  They have literally hundreds and hundreds of old old stuff.  I can't really explain it all here, but try googling the store, give them a call, and let 'em look for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a store called " Weird Stuff " in california that would probably have some old disks .
They have literally hundreds and hundreds of old old stuff .
I ca n't really explain it all here , but try googling the store , give them a call , and let 'em look for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a store called "Weird Stuff" in california that would probably have some old disks.
They have literally hundreds and hundreds of old old stuff.
I can't really explain it all here, but try googling the store, give them a call, and let 'em look for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652331</id>
	<title>resurrect ??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still use It everyday.<br>Now get off my lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still use It everyday.Now get off my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still use It everyday.Now get off my lawn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649479</id>
	<title>5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1247239500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Replace the 5.25" floppy disk drives with 3 1/2 inch and download DOS from some site. As to what you can run on it, you may have better luck with one of the smaller Linux distros, like <a href="http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/" title="damnsmalllinux.org" rel="nofollow">Damn Small Linux</a> [damnsmalllinux.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Replace the 5.25 " floppy disk drives with 3 1/2 inch and download DOS from some site .
As to what you can run on it , you may have better luck with one of the smaller Linux distros , like Damn Small Linux [ damnsmalllinux.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Replace the 5.25" floppy disk drives with 3 1/2 inch and download DOS from some site.
As to what you can run on it, you may have better luck with one of the smaller Linux distros, like Damn Small Linux [damnsmalllinux.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28665841</id>
	<title>Re:Still have the manuals...</title>
	<author>Yeechang Lee</author>
	<datestamp>1247429100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Gotta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I'm thinking that might actually work...</p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed. As I pulled up the list of computers (under "Home Entertainment|Other Products|Desktop Computers"), I thought to myself "No way will the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epson\_QX-10" title="wikipedia.org">QX-10</a> [wikipedia.org] be listed." It was! Then, as I clicked on the <a href="http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV\_UseBVCookie=yes&amp;infoType=Doc&amp;oid=14165" title="epson.com">PDF manual</a> [epson.com] I thought "Surely it'll be a completely-scanned, no-text version." On the contrary, it's a real PDF document with searchable text, internal links, and even the original line drawings. Astounding! Kudos to Epson America.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Got ta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I 'm thinking that might actually work...Indeed .
As I pulled up the list of computers ( under " Home Entertainment | Other Products | Desktop Computers " ) , I thought to myself " No way will the QX-10 [ wikipedia.org ] be listed .
" It was !
Then , as I clicked on the PDF manual [ epson.com ] I thought " Surely it 'll be a completely-scanned , no-text version .
" On the contrary , it 's a real PDF document with searchable text , internal links , and even the original line drawings .
Astounding ! Kudos to Epson America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gotta hand it to Epson for their corporate memory and support abilities... Someone else mentioned contacting them to try and get your hands on some disks but now I'm thinking that might actually work...Indeed.
As I pulled up the list of computers (under "Home Entertainment|Other Products|Desktop Computers"), I thought to myself "No way will the QX-10 [wikipedia.org] be listed.
" It was!
Then, as I clicked on the PDF manual [epson.com] I thought "Surely it'll be a completely-scanned, no-text version.
" On the contrary, it's a real PDF document with searchable text, internal links, and even the original line drawings.
Astounding! Kudos to Epson America.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649687</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649545</id>
	<title>This might help...</title>
	<author>drakaan</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic...</p></div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/" title="wikispaces.com">This</a> [wikispaces.com] might help with that part of the restoration (cheap and DIY)...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic... This [ wikispaces.com ] might help with that part of the restoration ( cheap and DIY ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...healthy 25-year-old yellowed plastic... This [wikispaces.com] might help with that part of the restoration (cheap and DIY)...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650387</id>
	<title>Put an IDE controller in it!</title>
	<author>hypethetica</author>
	<datestamp>1247242980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some fellow geeks and I are working on a *new* 8 bit ISA IDE controller for vintage machines just like yours.
<br>
Details are here:
<a href="http://wiki.vintage-computer.com/index.php?title=XTIDE\_project/" title="vintage-computer.com" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.vintage-computer.com/index.php?title=XTIDE\_project/</a> [vintage-computer.com]
<br>
It will be available toward the end of the summer, hopefully, and will allow you to install HDD's up to 137G!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some fellow geeks and I are working on a * new * 8 bit ISA IDE controller for vintage machines just like yours .
Details are here : http : //wiki.vintage-computer.com/index.php ? title = XTIDE \ _project/ [ vintage-computer.com ] It will be available toward the end of the summer , hopefully , and will allow you to install HDD 's up to 137G !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some fellow geeks and I are working on a *new* 8 bit ISA IDE controller for vintage machines just like yours.
Details are here:
http://wiki.vintage-computer.com/index.php?title=XTIDE\_project/ [vintage-computer.com]

It will be available toward the end of the summer, hopefully, and will allow you to install HDD's up to 137G!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650741</id>
	<title>Tips from a retro geek</title>
	<author>Murpster</author>
	<datestamp>1247244360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never seen the point in old PCs myself since they're just wimpy Intel systems... but I do a lot with old Amiga, Commodore, Atari and other machines.

Disks - you can find cheap newly made floppies in older formats (5.15" or 3.5" in double or single density). Search around or ask on <a href="http://www.vintage-computer.com/" title="vintage-computer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vintage-computer.com/</a> [vintage-computer.com] forums or some of the good Amiga oriented web forums, you'll get a ton of sources depending on where you live. Many sources in the US and Europe. Avoid buying old/reused floppies if possible, and copy as much of your old disks to new disks as you can. You can probably find an old IDE controller for it easily too. Remember old hard drives are less reliable so do backups often.

OS - you can find old MSDOS disks on ebay I'm sure. You may also want to consider the free clone FreeDOS.

Yellowing - there's some peroxide based cream someone came up with to restore color to yellowed plastic. See <a href="http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/" title="wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow">http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/</a> [wikispaces.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never seen the point in old PCs myself since they 're just wimpy Intel systems... but I do a lot with old Amiga , Commodore , Atari and other machines .
Disks - you can find cheap newly made floppies in older formats ( 5.15 " or 3.5 " in double or single density ) .
Search around or ask on http : //www.vintage-computer.com/ [ vintage-computer.com ] forums or some of the good Amiga oriented web forums , you 'll get a ton of sources depending on where you live .
Many sources in the US and Europe .
Avoid buying old/reused floppies if possible , and copy as much of your old disks to new disks as you can .
You can probably find an old IDE controller for it easily too .
Remember old hard drives are less reliable so do backups often .
OS - you can find old MSDOS disks on ebay I 'm sure .
You may also want to consider the free clone FreeDOS .
Yellowing - there 's some peroxide based cream someone came up with to restore color to yellowed plastic .
See http : //retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ [ wikispaces.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never seen the point in old PCs myself since they're just wimpy Intel systems... but I do a lot with old Amiga, Commodore, Atari and other machines.
Disks - you can find cheap newly made floppies in older formats (5.15" or 3.5" in double or single density).
Search around or ask on http://www.vintage-computer.com/ [vintage-computer.com] forums or some of the good Amiga oriented web forums, you'll get a ton of sources depending on where you live.
Many sources in the US and Europe.
Avoid buying old/reused floppies if possible, and copy as much of your old disks to new disks as you can.
You can probably find an old IDE controller for it easily too.
Remember old hard drives are less reliable so do backups often.
OS - you can find old MSDOS disks on ebay I'm sure.
You may also want to consider the free clone FreeDOS.
Yellowing - there's some peroxide based cream someone came up with to restore color to yellowed plastic.
See http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ [wikispaces.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28656609</id>
	<title>wow that is big..</title>
	<author>glitch23</author>
	<datestamp>1247233320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs);</p> </div><p>Holy shit! My big screen LCD isn't even that big. How expensive was THAT?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>13 ' RGB monitor ( with contrast/brightness knobs ) ; Holy shit !
My big screen LCD is n't even that big .
How expensive was THAT ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>13' RGB monitor (with contrast/brightness knobs); Holy shit!
My big screen LCD isn't even that big.
How expensive was THAT?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651307</id>
	<title>Party crashed, and X-Wing was the first bad guest</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1247246880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped, kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a (previously fun) private party with a few of his friends.</i></p><p>Yes, that was about as close to a Matrix-like time-blip as I've ever experienced.  (Of course, I was young and it didn't take much to surprise me).</p><p>But there was this really neat period where Commodore in particular was doing some really interesting things.  Then suddenly the universe went entirely PC.  --It really came home when Lucasarts released the very first X-Wing simulator exclusively for PC.  I knew several people who radically changed their lives around so as to play that game, one of whom dropped a couple thousand on a top-end (386?) and never looked back.  That was also around the time when Commodore began its terminal nose-dive.  (I remember reading long ago, but simply cannot find any breath of it now, that a handful of ex-government spooks got involved in Commodore shortly before the whole shop crashed and the next Amiga hit the skids before release.  I'd love to know the full story on that someday!)</p><p>The biggest shift I noticed, almost immediately, was that hardware development rocketed forward while "cleverness" began to lag.  --That is, with a machine like an old Tandy Color Computer, the time between hardware updates was so long and the state of the hardware that everybody used was so uniform and stable that in order to gain an increase in performance, people had to really work to understand their system.  As a result, every year saw faster and more brilliant bits of software emerge for essentially the same machine.  By the end of the product cycle on any of these closed systems, like the Color Computer or the Amiga, the performance being squeezed out of them was really amazing.  --I mean, humans are really awesome that way; when given limitations and a desire to surpass them, they really begin to glow.  Heck, some of those computers had very limited color pallets, and yet through interlacing schemes and such, extra colors were brought into being.  I read how another guy on an old Apple ][ system had managed to double the absolute and finite resolution of certain screen graphics using some clever trick, eliciting ooohs and ahhhs from the industry.</p><p>With the shift to PCs and the endless hardware upgrade, I feel as though programmers have never really been able to settle down and really grow powerful in their craft.  When you look at the demo scene, at what kinds of astonishing things can be achieved in as little as 4Kb on a modern machine, I sometimes wish that hardware development would completely halt for ten years or so just to see how far we could actually take these computers of ours.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped , kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a ( previously fun ) private party with a few of his friends.Yes , that was about as close to a Matrix-like time-blip as I 've ever experienced .
( Of course , I was young and it did n't take much to surprise me ) .But there was this really neat period where Commodore in particular was doing some really interesting things .
Then suddenly the universe went entirely PC .
--It really came home when Lucasarts released the very first X-Wing simulator exclusively for PC .
I knew several people who radically changed their lives around so as to play that game , one of whom dropped a couple thousand on a top-end ( 386 ?
) and never looked back .
That was also around the time when Commodore began its terminal nose-dive .
( I remember reading long ago , but simply can not find any breath of it now , that a handful of ex-government spooks got involved in Commodore shortly before the whole shop crashed and the next Amiga hit the skids before release .
I 'd love to know the full story on that someday !
) The biggest shift I noticed , almost immediately , was that hardware development rocketed forward while " cleverness " began to lag .
--That is , with a machine like an old Tandy Color Computer , the time between hardware updates was so long and the state of the hardware that everybody used was so uniform and stable that in order to gain an increase in performance , people had to really work to understand their system .
As a result , every year saw faster and more brilliant bits of software emerge for essentially the same machine .
By the end of the product cycle on any of these closed systems , like the Color Computer or the Amiga , the performance being squeezed out of them was really amazing .
--I mean , humans are really awesome that way ; when given limitations and a desire to surpass them , they really begin to glow .
Heck , some of those computers had very limited color pallets , and yet through interlacing schemes and such , extra colors were brought into being .
I read how another guy on an old Apple ] [ system had managed to double the absolute and finite resolution of certain screen graphics using some clever trick , eliciting ooohs and ahhhs from the industry.With the shift to PCs and the endless hardware upgrade , I feel as though programmers have never really been able to settle down and really grow powerful in their craft .
When you look at the demo scene , at what kinds of astonishing things can be achieved in as little as 4Kb on a modern machine , I sometimes wish that hardware development would completely halt for ten years or so just to see how far we could actually take these computers of ours.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped, kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a (previously fun) private party with a few of his friends.Yes, that was about as close to a Matrix-like time-blip as I've ever experienced.
(Of course, I was young and it didn't take much to surprise me).But there was this really neat period where Commodore in particular was doing some really interesting things.
Then suddenly the universe went entirely PC.
--It really came home when Lucasarts released the very first X-Wing simulator exclusively for PC.
I knew several people who radically changed their lives around so as to play that game, one of whom dropped a couple thousand on a top-end (386?
) and never looked back.
That was also around the time when Commodore began its terminal nose-dive.
(I remember reading long ago, but simply cannot find any breath of it now, that a handful of ex-government spooks got involved in Commodore shortly before the whole shop crashed and the next Amiga hit the skids before release.
I'd love to know the full story on that someday!
)The biggest shift I noticed, almost immediately, was that hardware development rocketed forward while "cleverness" began to lag.
--That is, with a machine like an old Tandy Color Computer, the time between hardware updates was so long and the state of the hardware that everybody used was so uniform and stable that in order to gain an increase in performance, people had to really work to understand their system.
As a result, every year saw faster and more brilliant bits of software emerge for essentially the same machine.
By the end of the product cycle on any of these closed systems, like the Color Computer or the Amiga, the performance being squeezed out of them was really amazing.
--I mean, humans are really awesome that way; when given limitations and a desire to surpass them, they really begin to glow.
Heck, some of those computers had very limited color pallets, and yet through interlacing schemes and such, extra colors were brought into being.
I read how another guy on an old Apple ][ system had managed to double the absolute and finite resolution of certain screen graphics using some clever trick, eliciting ooohs and ahhhs from the industry.With the shift to PCs and the endless hardware upgrade, I feel as though programmers have never really been able to settle down and really grow powerful in their craft.
When you look at the demo scene, at what kinds of astonishing things can be achieved in as little as 4Kb on a modern machine, I sometimes wish that hardware development would completely halt for ten years or so just to see how far we could actually take these computers of ours.-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651197</id>
	<title>Case Restoration</title>
	<author>secondhand\_Buddah</author>
	<datestamp>1247246280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a group who found a way to easily restore that ageing yellow plastic. I think the use hydrogen peroxide. I'm too lazy to Google it right now, but if you are interested in a full resotration this is possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a group who found a way to easily restore that ageing yellow plastic .
I think the use hydrogen peroxide .
I 'm too lazy to Google it right now , but if you are interested in a full resotration this is possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a group who found a way to easily restore that ageing yellow plastic.
I think the use hydrogen peroxide.
I'm too lazy to Google it right now, but if you are interested in a full resotration this is possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28686305</id>
	<title>I've got some memory for sale... LET'S DEAL!!</title>
	<author>richtech</author>
	<datestamp>1247504100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, I've still got some 512kb memory sticks for sale. I'll even consider selling them at rock bottom 1/2 of 1984's original introduction price. Do we have a deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , I 've still got some 512kb memory sticks for sale .
I 'll even consider selling them at rock bottom 1/2 of 1984 's original introduction price .
Do we have a deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, I've still got some 512kb memory sticks for sale.
I'll even consider selling them at rock bottom 1/2 of 1984's original introduction price.
Do we have a deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651943</id>
	<title>Similar machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a similar machine sitting in my parents' basement, almost spec for spec identical to the one in the summary. Far as I know, it still works.<br>I'd get in touch with the people at FreeDOS (www.freedos.org) and see if they have floppy images you can use. Or see if you can find a copy of DOS 3.1 on eBay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a similar machine sitting in my parents ' basement , almost spec for spec identical to the one in the summary .
Far as I know , it still works.I 'd get in touch with the people at FreeDOS ( www.freedos.org ) and see if they have floppy images you can use .
Or see if you can find a copy of DOS 3.1 on eBay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a similar machine sitting in my parents' basement, almost spec for spec identical to the one in the summary.
Far as I know, it still works.I'd get in touch with the people at FreeDOS (www.freedos.org) and see if they have floppy images you can use.
Or see if you can find a copy of DOS 3.1 on eBay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649955</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No wireless .
Less space than a nomad .
Lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No wireless.
Less space than a nomad.
Lame.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651055</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not gonna work if it's an XT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not gon na work if it 's an XT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not gonna work if it's an XT</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657611</id>
	<title>Re:Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Cool, it is very educational to work with old computer's</p></div><p>Work with old computer's <i>what</i>?  Dude, finish your sentence... don't leave us hanging here!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool , it is very educational to work with old computer'sWork with old computer 's what ?
Dude , finish your sentence... do n't leave us hanging here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool, it is very educational to work with old computer'sWork with old computer's what?
Dude, finish your sentence... don't leave us hanging here!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653655</id>
	<title>DubLi?</title>
	<author>Niubi</author>
	<datestamp>1247256840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try DubLi's shopping mall, you should be able to find what you need there, and the prices are guaranteed to be the lowest on the internet, so you won't have anything to lose!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try DubLi 's shopping mall , you should be able to find what you need there , and the prices are guaranteed to be the lowest on the internet , so you wo n't have anything to lose !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try DubLi's shopping mall, you should be able to find what you need there, and the prices are guaranteed to be the lowest on the internet, so you won't have anything to lose!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28655229</id>
	<title>Re:Bootstrap via serial port?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1247222340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's a REALLY original machine, it should have a BASIC ROM that will come up if it can't boot anythings else. If so it would be possible to hand enter a bootstrap to read the serial to a disk sector by sector. Alas, that's fairly unlikely. The Apple has a much more versatile ROM that the PCs ever did. It's going to require either the floppy, an appropriately formatted HD, or a custom bootrom on an ISA card.</p><p>The latter might provide the best hack value, just hook int13 and use the serial port as a link to a custom floppy over serial server app running on a more modern machine. The only value in that would be hobby/entertainment or self-training to help NASA retrieve their old data should they ever get a budget.</p><p>Sometimes it was really nice having a simple machine language monitor and such in ROM on the Apple][.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's a REALLY original machine , it should have a BASIC ROM that will come up if it ca n't boot anythings else .
If so it would be possible to hand enter a bootstrap to read the serial to a disk sector by sector .
Alas , that 's fairly unlikely .
The Apple has a much more versatile ROM that the PCs ever did .
It 's going to require either the floppy , an appropriately formatted HD , or a custom bootrom on an ISA card.The latter might provide the best hack value , just hook int13 and use the serial port as a link to a custom floppy over serial server app running on a more modern machine .
The only value in that would be hobby/entertainment or self-training to help NASA retrieve their old data should they ever get a budget.Sometimes it was really nice having a simple machine language monitor and such in ROM on the Apple ] [ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's a REALLY original machine, it should have a BASIC ROM that will come up if it can't boot anythings else.
If so it would be possible to hand enter a bootstrap to read the serial to a disk sector by sector.
Alas, that's fairly unlikely.
The Apple has a much more versatile ROM that the PCs ever did.
It's going to require either the floppy, an appropriately formatted HD, or a custom bootrom on an ISA card.The latter might provide the best hack value, just hook int13 and use the serial port as a link to a custom floppy over serial server app running on a more modern machine.
The only value in that would be hobby/entertainment or self-training to help NASA retrieve their old data should they ever get a budget.Sometimes it was really nice having a simple machine language monitor and such in ROM on the Apple][.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650865</id>
	<title>Find a like minded group of people</title>
	<author>DigitalDreg</author>
	<datestamp>1247244840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of online communities devoted to restoring and operating vintage machines.  The formats vary - the top two that I know of are Vintage-computer.com and the ClassicCmp mailing list.</p><p>Mike</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of online communities devoted to restoring and operating vintage machines .
The formats vary - the top two that I know of are Vintage-computer.com and the ClassicCmp mailing list.Mike</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of online communities devoted to restoring and operating vintage machines.
The formats vary - the top two that I know of are Vintage-computer.com and the ClassicCmp mailing list.Mike</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652297</id>
	<title>Yeah</title>
	<author>Mr\_Mirsal</author>
	<datestamp>1247251560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a DEC MicroVAX running OpenBSD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a DEC MicroVAX running OpenBSD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a DEC MicroVAX running OpenBSD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650003</id>
	<title>Why resurrect it?</title>
	<author>GerardAtJob</author>
	<datestamp>1247241540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a few old computers... and let me tell you one thing : IT ONLY TAKE SPACES IN YOUR HOUSE lol.. I'm about to dump them all lol or sell it via ebay... BUT</p><p>You have a few choices :<br>1- Sell it<br>2- Search for someone who have msdos installation disk (I have thoses... even win3.1 and they still works)<br>3a- Search for an old floppy drive... they're a few adaptor to plug them into your USB drive... cost ~20-30 bucks (Ex: <a href="http://techgage.com/article/vantec\_sataide\_to\_usb\_adapter/" title="techgage.com" rel="nofollow">http://techgage.com/article/vantec\_sataide\_to\_usb\_adapter/</a> [techgage.com]  )<br>3b- Download an MS-DOS boot disk... you only need to format C:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/S or SYS C: you know... (If my memory is good lol) (Ex: <a href="http://freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml" title="freepctech.com" rel="nofollow">http://freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml</a> [freepctech.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you have an HD lol</p><p>Have fun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a few old computers... and let me tell you one thing : IT ONLY TAKE SPACES IN YOUR HOUSE lol.. I 'm about to dump them all lol or sell it via ebay... BUTYou have a few choices : 1- Sell it2- Search for someone who have msdos installation disk ( I have thoses... even win3.1 and they still works ) 3a- Search for an old floppy drive... they 're a few adaptor to plug them into your USB drive... cost ~ 20-30 bucks ( Ex : http : //techgage.com/article/vantec \ _sataide \ _to \ _usb \ _adapter/ [ techgage.com ] ) 3b- Download an MS-DOS boot disk... you only need to format C : /S or SYS C : you know... ( If my memory is good lol ) ( Ex : http : //freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml [ freepctech.com ] ... if you have an HD lolHave fun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a few old computers... and let me tell you one thing : IT ONLY TAKE SPACES IN YOUR HOUSE lol.. I'm about to dump them all lol or sell it via ebay... BUTYou have a few choices :1- Sell it2- Search for someone who have msdos installation disk (I have thoses... even win3.1 and they still works)3a- Search for an old floppy drive... they're a few adaptor to plug them into your USB drive... cost ~20-30 bucks (Ex: http://techgage.com/article/vantec\_sataide\_to\_usb\_adapter/ [techgage.com]  )3b- Download an MS-DOS boot disk... you only need to format C: /S or SYS C: you know... (If my memory is good lol) (Ex: http://freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml [freepctech.com] ... if you have an HD lolHave fun</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649895</id>
	<title>Re:Yesterdays PC, todays Embedded chip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip. Many people learned embedded programming on these chips, and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Equity I has an NEC V20 chip.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip .
Many people learned embedded programming on these chips , and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world .
Actually , I 'm pretty sure the Equity I has an NEC V20 chip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm assuming this is either an 8088 or 8086 chip.
Many people learned embedded programming on these chips, and there are probably millions of them in use in embedded systems around the world.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the Equity I has an NEC V20 chip.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649573</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650013</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1247241600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or PirateBay... (hurry, hurry, before all the users desert it and the cheque clears, leaving a clueless company with the most expensive URL in history...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or PirateBay... ( hurry , hurry , before all the users desert it and the cheque clears , leaving a clueless company with the most expensive URL in history... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or PirateBay... (hurry, hurry, before all the users desert it and the cheque clears, leaving a clueless company with the most expensive URL in history...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651427</id>
	<title>Was a Commodore VIC20/64 and Apple ][ teen myself</title>
	<author>AppleTwoGuru</author>
	<datestamp>1247247420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still have my Commodore Computers. I fired them up about 5 years ago, and I can STILL read my floppy disks from ages ago even with the 1541 (1 or 2) 5-1/4" disk drives that are suppose to be prone to head-alignment issues (I keep them stored with the head-protectors in place and I try to keep the disks away from magnetic sources.)</p><p>I bought some Apple ]['s in the past 10 years, so I can see my assembly language programs. (remember call -768 or call -936, or in#6 or pr#6?)</p><p>If I could, I'd get an Amiga today. The reason why you don't see new Amigas around is because Bill Gates made sure the Amiga market would die by 1995 and REMAIN dead. Because he wanted to make sure he could get Windows 95 out to the masses, unchallenged, because Windows 95 could easily be overthrown and outperformed. Bill Gates and company did not make anything better than what was already out, so he had to KILL the competition through blackmail, covert backdoor deals, encourage dishonesty in competitor companies, and litigate companies and products out of existence. In retrospect, it wasn't until Windows XP that Microsoft and PC suppliers could almost "catch up" to the Amiga. So with the Amiga gone and unable to be redeveloped effectively (still to this day), Bill Gates leveled (ie: demolished in a very unethical and lawless way - but you pay off your Congressmen, and your wishes become the law) the existing playing field and rebuilt the playing field around Microsoft. The Amiga, by 1990, had VGA graphics, a sound synthesizer chip, an IDE hard drive interface, a hard drive, modular memory, a 32-bit True Pre-emptive Multi-tasking operating system, a Graphics User Interface, and the most popular accessory that sold very well for it was the Video Toaster. By 1995, most PCs had these basic features (Microsoft was still struggling with the OS, it was not true pre-emptive nor true 32-bit. Some parts are still not 32-bit until Windows 7 - It takes this long for a company like Microsoft to implement 1990 technology?)  And, about 5 years ago, well after the demise of the Amiga, someone hooked up an IOMEGA SCSI ZIP disk to it, and guess what. because SCSI was an established standard and the specs were open, the Amiga could implement and use the ZIP disk to the fullest extent, even though the ZIP disk was created well after development and production stopped on the Amiga. Now that is a powerful computer. try developing the computer now. The technology is still around. But you can't because all the parts that make up the Amiga were carefully and strategically divided amongst various companies that are indirectly paid off to KEEP it divided so that IT WILL NEVER be developed AGAIN! All this evil done onto the people of the world by Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still have my Commodore Computers .
I fired them up about 5 years ago , and I can STILL read my floppy disks from ages ago even with the 1541 ( 1 or 2 ) 5-1/4 " disk drives that are suppose to be prone to head-alignment issues ( I keep them stored with the head-protectors in place and I try to keep the disks away from magnetic sources .
) I bought some Apple ] [ 's in the past 10 years , so I can see my assembly language programs .
( remember call -768 or call -936 , or in # 6 or pr # 6 ?
) If I could , I 'd get an Amiga today .
The reason why you do n't see new Amigas around is because Bill Gates made sure the Amiga market would die by 1995 and REMAIN dead .
Because he wanted to make sure he could get Windows 95 out to the masses , unchallenged , because Windows 95 could easily be overthrown and outperformed .
Bill Gates and company did not make anything better than what was already out , so he had to KILL the competition through blackmail , covert backdoor deals , encourage dishonesty in competitor companies , and litigate companies and products out of existence .
In retrospect , it was n't until Windows XP that Microsoft and PC suppliers could almost " catch up " to the Amiga .
So with the Amiga gone and unable to be redeveloped effectively ( still to this day ) , Bill Gates leveled ( ie : demolished in a very unethical and lawless way - but you pay off your Congressmen , and your wishes become the law ) the existing playing field and rebuilt the playing field around Microsoft .
The Amiga , by 1990 , had VGA graphics , a sound synthesizer chip , an IDE hard drive interface , a hard drive , modular memory , a 32-bit True Pre-emptive Multi-tasking operating system , a Graphics User Interface , and the most popular accessory that sold very well for it was the Video Toaster .
By 1995 , most PCs had these basic features ( Microsoft was still struggling with the OS , it was not true pre-emptive nor true 32-bit .
Some parts are still not 32-bit until Windows 7 - It takes this long for a company like Microsoft to implement 1990 technology ?
) And , about 5 years ago , well after the demise of the Amiga , someone hooked up an IOMEGA SCSI ZIP disk to it , and guess what .
because SCSI was an established standard and the specs were open , the Amiga could implement and use the ZIP disk to the fullest extent , even though the ZIP disk was created well after development and production stopped on the Amiga .
Now that is a powerful computer .
try developing the computer now .
The technology is still around .
But you ca n't because all the parts that make up the Amiga were carefully and strategically divided amongst various companies that are indirectly paid off to KEEP it divided so that IT WILL NEVER be developed AGAIN !
All this evil done onto the people of the world by Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still have my Commodore Computers.
I fired them up about 5 years ago, and I can STILL read my floppy disks from ages ago even with the 1541 (1 or 2) 5-1/4" disk drives that are suppose to be prone to head-alignment issues (I keep them stored with the head-protectors in place and I try to keep the disks away from magnetic sources.
)I bought some Apple ]['s in the past 10 years, so I can see my assembly language programs.
(remember call -768 or call -936, or in#6 or pr#6?
)If I could, I'd get an Amiga today.
The reason why you don't see new Amigas around is because Bill Gates made sure the Amiga market would die by 1995 and REMAIN dead.
Because he wanted to make sure he could get Windows 95 out to the masses, unchallenged, because Windows 95 could easily be overthrown and outperformed.
Bill Gates and company did not make anything better than what was already out, so he had to KILL the competition through blackmail, covert backdoor deals, encourage dishonesty in competitor companies, and litigate companies and products out of existence.
In retrospect, it wasn't until Windows XP that Microsoft and PC suppliers could almost "catch up" to the Amiga.
So with the Amiga gone and unable to be redeveloped effectively (still to this day), Bill Gates leveled (ie: demolished in a very unethical and lawless way - but you pay off your Congressmen, and your wishes become the law) the existing playing field and rebuilt the playing field around Microsoft.
The Amiga, by 1990, had VGA graphics, a sound synthesizer chip, an IDE hard drive interface, a hard drive, modular memory, a 32-bit True Pre-emptive Multi-tasking operating system, a Graphics User Interface, and the most popular accessory that sold very well for it was the Video Toaster.
By 1995, most PCs had these basic features (Microsoft was still struggling with the OS, it was not true pre-emptive nor true 32-bit.
Some parts are still not 32-bit until Windows 7 - It takes this long for a company like Microsoft to implement 1990 technology?
)  And, about 5 years ago, well after the demise of the Amiga, someone hooked up an IOMEGA SCSI ZIP disk to it, and guess what.
because SCSI was an established standard and the specs were open, the Amiga could implement and use the ZIP disk to the fullest extent, even though the ZIP disk was created well after development and production stopped on the Amiga.
Now that is a powerful computer.
try developing the computer now.
The technology is still around.
But you can't because all the parts that make up the Amiga were carefully and strategically divided amongst various companies that are indirectly paid off to KEEP it divided so that IT WILL NEVER be developed AGAIN!
All this evil done onto the people of the world by Microsoft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649827</id>
	<title>Vintage Computing</title>
	<author>orsty3001</author>
	<datestamp>1247240940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.vintagecomputing.com/forum/" title="vintagecomputing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vintagecomputing.com/forum/</a> [vintagecomputing.com]

These guys have a lot of experience with knowing where old stuff is today and keeping stuff like that working.

One of thousands of places to check out online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.vintagecomputing.com/forum/ [ vintagecomputing.com ] These guys have a lot of experience with knowing where old stuff is today and keeping stuff like that working .
One of thousands of places to check out online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.vintagecomputing.com/forum/ [vintagecomputing.com]

These guys have a lot of experience with knowing where old stuff is today and keeping stuff like that working.
One of thousands of places to check out online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28683079</id>
	<title>I assume..</title>
	<author>xmvince</author>
	<datestamp>1247481420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume you mean DOS 6.22?

Why would you use 3.22?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume you mean DOS 6.22 ?
Why would you use 3.22 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume you mean DOS 6.22?
Why would you use 3.22?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649813</id>
	<title>ELKS and Movitz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi

Try out ELKS <a href="http://elks.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://elks.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net] and Movitz LISP kernel <a href="http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/" title="common-lisp.net" rel="nofollow">http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/</a> [common-lisp.net] on your machine. Both are excellent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi Try out ELKS http : //elks.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] and Movitz LISP kernel http : //common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ [ common-lisp.net ] on your machine .
Both are excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi

Try out ELKS http://elks.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] and Movitz LISP kernel http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ [common-lisp.net] on your machine.
Both are excellent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651169</id>
	<title>Typo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247246220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> 13' RGB monitor</p> </div><p>I didn't know that there were 13 feet wide monitors 25 years ago!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>13 ' RGB monitor I did n't know that there were 13 feet wide monitors 25 years ago !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 13' RGB monitor I didn't know that there were 13 feet wide monitors 25 years ago!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650199</id>
	<title>True story</title>
	<author>Stavr0</author>
	<datestamp>1247242320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once scored an old Apple ][ clone for $5 at a yard sale.  Thing was fully loaded, 80column, centronics printer interface, 2 floppies...  but no software.<p>
Turned to usenet - comp.sys.apple2 - to beg for someone to mail me a DOS3.3 disk. Someone did send me a floppy over the mail. That was all I needed, I could then use an Ap2PC cable to move images back onto floppies. Maybe a slashdotter in your hometown can make you one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once scored an old Apple ] [ clone for $ 5 at a yard sale .
Thing was fully loaded , 80column , centronics printer interface , 2 floppies... but no software .
Turned to usenet - comp.sys.apple2 - to beg for someone to mail me a DOS3.3 disk .
Someone did send me a floppy over the mail .
That was all I needed , I could then use an Ap2PC cable to move images back onto floppies .
Maybe a slashdotter in your hometown can make you one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once scored an old Apple ][ clone for $5 at a yard sale.
Thing was fully loaded, 80column, centronics printer interface, 2 floppies...  but no software.
Turned to usenet - comp.sys.apple2 - to beg for someone to mail me a DOS3.3 disk.
Someone did send me a floppy over the mail.
That was all I needed, I could then use an Ap2PC cable to move images back onto floppies.
Maybe a slashdotter in your hometown can make you one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650977</id>
	<title>a suggestion.</title>
	<author>nomaan</author>
	<datestamp>1247245260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>VIRTUALIZE IT   (/scream)</htmltext>
<tokenext>VIRTUALIZE IT ( /scream )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VIRTUALIZE IT   (/scream)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649435</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And 640K?  Now you're just being ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And 640K ?
Now you 're just being ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And 640K?
Now you're just being ridiculous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649375</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649733</id>
	<title>trash 80</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 1979 TRS-80 model 1 still works. As does my '81 CoCo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 1979 TRS-80 model 1 still works .
As does my '81 CoCo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 1979 TRS-80 model 1 still works.
As does my '81 CoCo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653307</id>
	<title>Re:FreeDOS</title>
	<author>NewWorldDan</author>
	<datestamp>1247255520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, that's a good point about the HDD.  It shouldn't be too difficult to find a MFM drive and controller on ebay or what not.  If you need to format it, load up debug and g=c800:5.  That's something I haven't needed to know in 16+ years.  Perfectly good brain cells wasted on that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , that 's a good point about the HDD .
It should n't be too difficult to find a MFM drive and controller on ebay or what not .
If you need to format it , load up debug and g = c800 : 5 .
That 's something I have n't needed to know in 16 + years .
Perfectly good brain cells wasted on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, that's a good point about the HDD.
It shouldn't be too difficult to find a MFM drive and controller on ebay or what not.
If you need to format it, load up debug and g=c800:5.
That's something I haven't needed to know in 16+ years.
Perfectly good brain cells wasted on that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652117</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>kimgkimg</author>
	<datestamp>1247250900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, what a luxury.  The Radioshack TRS-80 I have in the garage has 16K of RAM (and that was the upgraded version from 4K).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , what a luxury .
The Radioshack TRS-80 I have in the garage has 16K of RAM ( and that was the upgraded version from 4K ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, what a luxury.
The Radioshack TRS-80 I have in the garage has 16K of RAM (and that was the upgraded version from 4K).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649375</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649947</id>
	<title>You can probably find DOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On an Abandonware site somewhere...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On an Abandonware site somewhere.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On an Abandonware site somewhere...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650191</id>
	<title>Resurrected an old 386sx packard bell, never again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had on old 386sx (didn't belong to me originally).  I decided to try to make something out of it.  I maxed out the ram, which meant buying VERY expensive cache chips (total cost &gt;$80).  At the end of the day, I had a very nice, very slow machine.  The Oak video on it could do 800x600 at 256 colors, but that was all.  Granted, for that time period, it was typical, but not something I would have purchased.
<p>
Given that people will pretty much give you their old P4 boxes nowadays, I don't think I'll ever go through this exercise again (I still have the machine btw).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had on old 386sx ( did n't belong to me originally ) .
I decided to try to make something out of it .
I maxed out the ram , which meant buying VERY expensive cache chips ( total cost &gt; $ 80 ) .
At the end of the day , I had a very nice , very slow machine .
The Oak video on it could do 800x600 at 256 colors , but that was all .
Granted , for that time period , it was typical , but not something I would have purchased .
Given that people will pretty much give you their old P4 boxes nowadays , I do n't think I 'll ever go through this exercise again ( I still have the machine btw ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had on old 386sx (didn't belong to me originally).
I decided to try to make something out of it.
I maxed out the ram, which meant buying VERY expensive cache chips (total cost &gt;$80).
At the end of the day, I had a very nice, very slow machine.
The Oak video on it could do 800x600 at 256 colors, but that was all.
Granted, for that time period, it was typical, but not something I would have purchased.
Given that people will pretty much give you their old P4 boxes nowadays, I don't think I'll ever go through this exercise again (I still have the machine btw).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657765</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1247247840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the bad</p></div><p>Yep, the only reason MS-DOS was even created in the first place (actually bought from SCP) was that DR refused IBM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the badYep , the only reason MS-DOS was even created in the first place ( actually bought from SCP ) was that DR refused IBM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the badYep, the only reason MS-DOS was even created in the first place (actually bought from SCP) was that DR refused IBM.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649661</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652525</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>wfstanle</author>
	<datestamp>1247252460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why?  He's probably doing it as a hobby.    He didn't say he intended to use it for every day computing. It is similar to someone restoring a vintage car.  You wouldn't take a model T Ford on the freeway or use it for everyday transportation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
He 's probably doing it as a hobby .
He did n't say he intended to use it for every day computing .
It is similar to someone restoring a vintage car .
You would n't take a model T Ford on the freeway or use it for everyday transportation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
He's probably doing it as a hobby.
He didn't say he intended to use it for every day computing.
It is similar to someone restoring a vintage car.
You wouldn't take a model T Ford on the freeway or use it for everyday transportation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649661</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650911</id>
	<title>Re:It's not that old...</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1247245020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep an eye out for the BIOS ROMs degrading. Some EPROMS of that age will start 'forgetting' the odd bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep an eye out for the BIOS ROMs degrading .
Some EPROMS of that age will start 'forgetting ' the odd bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep an eye out for the BIOS ROMs degrading.
Some EPROMS of that age will start 'forgetting' the odd bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649825</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652219</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I wonder how much that thing weighs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I wonder how much that thing weighs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I wonder how much that thing weighs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657127</id>
	<title>Old kit that keeps on giving</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247238900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome, so I'm not the only one!  I recently decided to resurrect my 25yo Atari 2600 games console and my 20yo C-64... both *still work*!  Amazing.  Fair dinkum, do you think today's technology would fair as well?  If you stuck a PS3 in a cupboard for 20 years, or your hopped up games PC?  Most of my early burnt CDs and many of my original IBM 1.2/1.44MB PC floppy disks died a long time ago.  But those sweet low density ~354K C-64 floppy disks are still going strong.  Ahh nostalgia, they don't make them like they used to!</p><p>How many other slashdotters still have their original computers from the 80's they cut their teeth on (I'm angling to the 30+ age audience here)?  I'd always meant to have a retro gaming gig, and now that its my 100000th birthday (oh yes, its binary) the stars are correctly aligned to make it happen.  Ahh yes so lame, yet so cool.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome , so I 'm not the only one !
I recently decided to resurrect my 25yo Atari 2600 games console and my 20yo C-64... both * still work * !
Amazing. Fair dinkum , do you think today 's technology would fair as well ?
If you stuck a PS3 in a cupboard for 20 years , or your hopped up games PC ?
Most of my early burnt CDs and many of my original IBM 1.2/1.44MB PC floppy disks died a long time ago .
But those sweet low density ~ 354K C-64 floppy disks are still going strong .
Ahh nostalgia , they do n't make them like they used to ! How many other slashdotters still have their original computers from the 80 's they cut their teeth on ( I 'm angling to the 30 + age audience here ) ?
I 'd always meant to have a retro gaming gig , and now that its my 100000th birthday ( oh yes , its binary ) the stars are correctly aligned to make it happen .
Ahh yes so lame , yet so cool .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome, so I'm not the only one!
I recently decided to resurrect my 25yo Atari 2600 games console and my 20yo C-64... both *still work*!
Amazing.  Fair dinkum, do you think today's technology would fair as well?
If you stuck a PS3 in a cupboard for 20 years, or your hopped up games PC?
Most of my early burnt CDs and many of my original IBM 1.2/1.44MB PC floppy disks died a long time ago.
But those sweet low density ~354K C-64 floppy disks are still going strong.
Ahh nostalgia, they don't make them like they used to!How many other slashdotters still have their original computers from the 80's they cut their teeth on (I'm angling to the 30+ age audience here)?
I'd always meant to have a retro gaming gig, and now that its my 100000th birthday (oh yes, its binary) the stars are correctly aligned to make it happen.
Ahh yes so lame, yet so cool.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650843</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>timberwolf753</author>
	<datestamp>1247244780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is correct.  That is actually where i got the last edition of OS/2 Warp for 5 bucks.  Now i wish i had a usb floppy to make floppy images and mess around with it in a virtual machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is correct .
That is actually where i got the last edition of OS/2 Warp for 5 bucks .
Now i wish i had a usb floppy to make floppy images and mess around with it in a virtual machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is correct.
That is actually where i got the last edition of OS/2 Warp for 5 bucks.
Now i wish i had a usb floppy to make floppy images and mess around with it in a virtual machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649717</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just make sure that you get a double density (720K) 3 1/2" drive and matching DD floppys. High density (1.44M) drives usually don't work with older XT-style floppy controllers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just make sure that you get a double density ( 720K ) 3 1/2 " drive and matching DD floppys .
High density ( 1.44M ) drives usually do n't work with older XT-style floppy controllers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just make sure that you get a double density (720K) 3 1/2" drive and matching DD floppys.
High density (1.44M) drives usually don't work with older XT-style floppy controllers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28659477</id>
	<title>But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247323200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>does it run linux ?!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>does it run linux ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>does it run linux ?!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649555</id>
	<title>Impressive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor.  I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device.  Wonder what the resolution is?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor .
I 'm assuming its some sort of front projection device .
Wonder what the resolution is ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor.
I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device.
Wonder what the resolution is?
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650945</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Anne Honime</author>
	<datestamp>1247245140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I Completely agree with you. My first exposure to computers back in the early 80's was on a CP/M-68K system, which became mine after some convoluted circumstances, and in the meantime I had a PC at home. After I acquired the CP/M system, I barely ever switched the PC on again and I kept my CP/M system well into the 90's. As a matter of fact, when I tried a couple of years ago to power on again both systems, the PC blew a cap and is now written off, whereas my Sord M68 still goes strong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I Completely agree with you .
My first exposure to computers back in the early 80 's was on a CP/M-68K system , which became mine after some convoluted circumstances , and in the meantime I had a PC at home .
After I acquired the CP/M system , I barely ever switched the PC on again and I kept my CP/M system well into the 90 's .
As a matter of fact , when I tried a couple of years ago to power on again both systems , the PC blew a cap and is now written off , whereas my Sord M68 still goes strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Completely agree with you.
My first exposure to computers back in the early 80's was on a CP/M-68K system, which became mine after some convoluted circumstances, and in the meantime I had a PC at home.
After I acquired the CP/M system, I barely ever switched the PC on again and I kept my CP/M system well into the 90's.
As a matter of fact, when I tried a couple of years ago to power on again both systems, the PC blew a cap and is now written off, whereas my Sord M68 still goes strong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650221</id>
	<title>Bootstrap via serial port?</title>
	<author>Smidge204</author>
	<datestamp>1247242380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, this may not help but then again it might...</p><p>I dug up an old Laser 128 (Apple II compatible) with no working software and was able to get it working using the following method. I don't know if your machine has a compatible feature, though.</p><p><a href="http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/bootstrap.html#Starting\_from\_bare\_metal" title="sourceforge.net">http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/bootstrap.html#Starting\_from\_bare\_metal</a> [sourceforge.net]</p><p>In short: using a second machine (In my case, running Win98) and a homebrew serial cable, configure the machine to be revived to treat serial port input as keyboard input, then keyboard input direct into memory (like a DEBUG prompt) - If you can do that then the rest of the procedure might actually work with compatible software.</p><p>The support machine "types" the software directly into the host machine's memory and executes it. In the link above, you start with a ProDOS image which then gets written to disk so you can boot the machine normally.<br>=Smidge=</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , this may not help but then again it might...I dug up an old Laser 128 ( Apple II compatible ) with no working software and was able to get it working using the following method .
I do n't know if your machine has a compatible feature , though.http : //adtpro.sourceforge.net/bootstrap.html # Starting \ _from \ _bare \ _metal [ sourceforge.net ] In short : using a second machine ( In my case , running Win98 ) and a homebrew serial cable , configure the machine to be revived to treat serial port input as keyboard input , then keyboard input direct into memory ( like a DEBUG prompt ) - If you can do that then the rest of the procedure might actually work with compatible software.The support machine " types " the software directly into the host machine 's memory and executes it .
In the link above , you start with a ProDOS image which then gets written to disk so you can boot the machine normally. = Smidge =</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, this may not help but then again it might...I dug up an old Laser 128 (Apple II compatible) with no working software and was able to get it working using the following method.
I don't know if your machine has a compatible feature, though.http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/bootstrap.html#Starting\_from\_bare\_metal [sourceforge.net]In short: using a second machine (In my case, running Win98) and a homebrew serial cable, configure the machine to be revived to treat serial port input as keyboard input, then keyboard input direct into memory (like a DEBUG prompt) - If you can do that then the rest of the procedure might actually work with compatible software.The support machine "types" the software directly into the host machine's memory and executes it.
In the link above, you start with a ProDOS image which then gets written to disk so you can boot the machine normally.=Smidge=</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649899</id>
	<title>Re:Amstrad PC1512</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247241180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a shame.  You could at least have put it on Craigslist for $20 and let someone give it a good home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a shame .
You could at least have put it on Craigslist for $ 20 and let someone give it a good home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a shame.
You could at least have put it on Craigslist for $20 and let someone give it a good home.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649533</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654199</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247216400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or piratebay, emule, or TONS of old shareware sites that are still out there, like umich.edu</p><p>Software is the least of your problems with older hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or piratebay , emule , or TONS of old shareware sites that are still out there , like umich.eduSoftware is the least of your problems with older hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or piratebay, emule, or TONS of old shareware sites that are still out there, like umich.eduSoftware is the least of your problems with older hardware.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650775</id>
	<title>Vetusware may be of help</title>
	<author>KC7GR</author>
	<datestamp>1247244540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the site www.vetusware.com -- It's a site dedicated to archiving "abandonware," software from companies which either no longer exist or have long since discontinued a given product.</p><p>There's another site at www.bitsavers.org -- they may be of help as well, even if they don't have what you need listed. Drop 'em a note if they don't.</p><p>Happy resurrecting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the site www.vetusware.com -- It 's a site dedicated to archiving " abandonware , " software from companies which either no longer exist or have long since discontinued a given product.There 's another site at www.bitsavers.org -- they may be of help as well , even if they do n't have what you need listed .
Drop 'em a note if they do n't.Happy resurrecting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the site www.vetusware.com -- It's a site dedicated to archiving "abandonware," software from companies which either no longer exist or have long since discontinued a given product.There's another site at www.bitsavers.org -- they may be of help as well, even if they don't have what you need listed.
Drop 'em a note if they don't.Happy resurrecting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650245</id>
	<title>Epson Equity!</title>
	<author>syrinx</author>
	<datestamp>1247242500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grew up on a Epson Equity too. (I think we had the "I+", not just the "I". Maybe the "+" was that it came with a hard drive? 20 megabytes, bitches.)</p><p>My parents sold it when we got a new 386, though, so no chance of digging it out of their basement for me.</p><p>I wish you luck. As others have said, the Epson site still has the manuals, which I've found on other occasions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up on a Epson Equity too .
( I think we had the " I + " , not just the " I " .
Maybe the " + " was that it came with a hard drive ?
20 megabytes , bitches .
) My parents sold it when we got a new 386 , though , so no chance of digging it out of their basement for me.I wish you luck .
As others have said , the Epson site still has the manuals , which I 've found on other occasions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up on a Epson Equity too.
(I think we had the "I+", not just the "I".
Maybe the "+" was that it came with a hard drive?
20 megabytes, bitches.
)My parents sold it when we got a new 386, though, so no chance of digging it out of their basement for me.I wish you luck.
As others have said, the Epson site still has the manuals, which I've found on other occasions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654185</id>
	<title>Re:What are you guys talking about?</title>
	<author>Weasel Boy</author>
	<datestamp>1247259480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Cut your teeth" is a term from the pre-industrial era, when only master craftsmen could design and build mechanical equipment.  The masters worked with entire gear trains, apprentices were put to work polishing the metal plates from which gears were made, and journeymen made the gears.  In order to graduate from apprentice to journeyman, you had to design and fabricate your own tooth-cutting bit and make a gear.  If it meshed with the gears the established journeymen were making, you qualified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Cut your teeth " is a term from the pre-industrial era , when only master craftsmen could design and build mechanical equipment .
The masters worked with entire gear trains , apprentices were put to work polishing the metal plates from which gears were made , and journeymen made the gears .
In order to graduate from apprentice to journeyman , you had to design and fabricate your own tooth-cutting bit and make a gear .
If it meshed with the gears the established journeymen were making , you qualified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Cut your teeth" is a term from the pre-industrial era, when only master craftsmen could design and build mechanical equipment.
The masters worked with entire gear trains, apprentices were put to work polishing the metal plates from which gears were made, and journeymen made the gears.
In order to graduate from apprentice to journeyman, you had to design and fabricate your own tooth-cutting bit and make a gear.
If it meshed with the gears the established journeymen were making, you qualified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28656425</id>
	<title>I'll trade you.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1247231520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Give me the 13' monitor, and I'll hook you up with whatever 360K floppy disks you want.  I've got PC-DOS 3.3 (two disks), GWBASIC, WordWriter, Lotus 123, UED, PC Tools, XTetris, and Caddiehack Golf CGA Tour.  Oh, and I've got a 5.25" floppy drive that'll work with your modern PC, so you can create your own disks from downloaded images using dd or rawrite or whatever.  You can have it all in exchange for the thirteen-foot monitor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me the 13 ' monitor , and I 'll hook you up with whatever 360K floppy disks you want .
I 've got PC-DOS 3.3 ( two disks ) , GWBASIC , WordWriter , Lotus 123 , UED , PC Tools , XTetris , and Caddiehack Golf CGA Tour .
Oh , and I 've got a 5.25 " floppy drive that 'll work with your modern PC , so you can create your own disks from downloaded images using dd or rawrite or whatever .
You can have it all in exchange for the thirteen-foot monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me the 13' monitor, and I'll hook you up with whatever 360K floppy disks you want.
I've got PC-DOS 3.3 (two disks), GWBASIC, WordWriter, Lotus 123, UED, PC Tools, XTetris, and Caddiehack Golf CGA Tour.
Oh, and I've got a 5.25" floppy drive that'll work with your modern PC, so you can create your own disks from downloaded images using dd or rawrite or whatever.
You can have it all in exchange for the thirteen-foot monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650761</id>
	<title>Re:Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>pegr</author>
	<datestamp>1247244480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have DOS, if nothing else than for BIOS flashing.  200mb drive?  Nope, BIOS limitations will keep you at 32mb or under.  Unless you can find an old copy of OnTrack Disk Manager...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have DOS , if nothing else than for BIOS flashing .
200mb drive ?
Nope , BIOS limitations will keep you at 32mb or under .
Unless you can find an old copy of OnTrack Disk Manager.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have DOS, if nothing else than for BIOS flashing.
200mb drive?
Nope, BIOS limitations will keep you at 32mb or under.
Unless you can find an old copy of OnTrack Disk Manager...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649419</id>
	<title>Contact Customer Support?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know that may be a joke to you but call up Epson or <a href="http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV\_UseBVCookie=yes&amp;infoType=Overview&amp;oid=14213&amp;category=Products" title="epson.com" rel="nofollow">submit a ticket</a> [epson.com] explaining to them your situation.  Who knows?  Maybe they have a storeroom with old floppies lying around so you can get the original software back?  I imagine those disks wore out all the time.  Just ask them if they have any of the original software for that model lying around.  That would be amazing support if they did.  <br> <br>

They do host <a href="http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/e1\_\_\_\_/e1\_\_\_\_u1.pdf" title="epson.com" rel="nofollow">the manual</a> [epson.com] that indicates you have a parallel port and a RS-232C serial port to play with and also something that looks like expansion slots designed for peripherals.   Good luck and have fun!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that may be a joke to you but call up Epson or submit a ticket [ epson.com ] explaining to them your situation .
Who knows ?
Maybe they have a storeroom with old floppies lying around so you can get the original software back ?
I imagine those disks wore out all the time .
Just ask them if they have any of the original software for that model lying around .
That would be amazing support if they did .
They do host the manual [ epson.com ] that indicates you have a parallel port and a RS-232C serial port to play with and also something that looks like expansion slots designed for peripherals .
Good luck and have fun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that may be a joke to you but call up Epson or submit a ticket [epson.com] explaining to them your situation.
Who knows?
Maybe they have a storeroom with old floppies lying around so you can get the original software back?
I imagine those disks wore out all the time.
Just ask them if they have any of the original software for that model lying around.
That would be amazing support if they did.
They do host the manual [epson.com] that indicates you have a parallel port and a RS-232C serial port to play with and also something that looks like expansion slots designed for peripherals.
Good luck and have fun!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652373</id>
	<title>Re:I have experince with this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course!</p><p>You can also use an NAU to redirect the PPD packets more efficiently from the NIC.</p><p>Don't forget about the A4D vs. A5D compatibility charts as well, you don't want your CCF getting mixed signals from your DDQ.</p><p>See, I can sound smart when i make up acronyms as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course ! You can also use an NAU to redirect the PPD packets more efficiently from the NIC.Do n't forget about the A4D vs. A5D compatibility charts as well , you do n't want your CCF getting mixed signals from your DDQ.See , I can sound smart when i make up acronyms as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course!You can also use an NAU to redirect the PPD packets more efficiently from the NIC.Don't forget about the A4D vs. A5D compatibility charts as well, you don't want your CCF getting mixed signals from your DDQ.See, I can sound smart when i make up acronyms as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651963</id>
	<title>Re:I have experince with this.</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1247250420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>High density 3.5" floppy WILL work if the adapter card supports it. I've got one in my 1986 vintage XT, works fine. Ditto in my 1988 vintage 286, which uses a similar adapter card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High density 3.5 " floppy WILL work if the adapter card supports it .
I 've got one in my 1986 vintage XT , works fine .
Ditto in my 1988 vintage 286 , which uses a similar adapter card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High density 3.5" floppy WILL work if the adapter card supports it.
I've got one in my 1986 vintage XT, works fine.
Ditto in my 1988 vintage 286, which uses a similar adapter card.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649415</id>
	<title>FreeDOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.</p><p>I actually know the machine you're talking about - except I had a HDD. I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.x</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.I actually know the machine you 're talking about - except I had a HDD .
I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.x</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.I actually know the machine you're talking about - except I had a HDD.
I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.x</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651609</id>
	<title>Old???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247248620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone tried to resurrect a computer that old????  That computer is positively modern compared to some that a lot of us use.  There are computers in commercial and government use that are far older than that!  Personally my oldest is from '72.  Even my Commodore 64 is older, and it has been modified to have 4GB Compact Flash, Ethernet, and other enhancements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone tried to resurrect a computer that old ? ? ? ?
That computer is positively modern compared to some that a lot of us use .
There are computers in commercial and government use that are far older than that !
Personally my oldest is from '72 .
Even my Commodore 64 is older , and it has been modified to have 4GB Compact Flash , Ethernet , and other enhancements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone tried to resurrect a computer that old????
That computer is positively modern compared to some that a lot of us use.
There are computers in commercial and government use that are far older than that!
Personally my oldest is from '72.
Even my Commodore 64 is older, and it has been modified to have 4GB Compact Flash, Ethernet, and other enhancements.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650781</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>hamtronix</author>
	<datestamp>1247244540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not 512, it's 640, you show your lack of knowledge about the 640k barrier in the early dos days. The word is he said "640k should be enough for anybody" although there is no official citation, however many places cite him as saying this in 1981 during an interviw. He has denied saying this in an interview some time ago published in the Huntsville Times, article no longer available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not 512 , it 's 640 , you show your lack of knowledge about the 640k barrier in the early dos days .
The word is he said " 640k should be enough for anybody " although there is no official citation , however many places cite him as saying this in 1981 during an interviw .
He has denied saying this in an interview some time ago published in the Huntsville Times , article no longer available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not 512, it's 640, you show your lack of knowledge about the 640k barrier in the early dos days.
The word is he said "640k should be enough for anybody" although there is no official citation, however many places cite him as saying this in 1981 during an interviw.
He has denied saying this in an interview some time ago published in the Huntsville Times, article no longer available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649375</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649675</id>
	<title>Awesome find!!! Here's some software suggestions.</title>
	<author>samalex01</author>
	<datestamp>1247240280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi!
<br> <br>
What an awesome find!  You can actually download all the software you'd ever want for the system here - <a href="http://www.vetusware.com/" title="vetusware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vetusware.com/</a> [vetusware.com] - which is a website with hundreds of abandoned software titles for download free.  They do have various versions of MS-DOS, which I'd suggest MS-DOS 5.0 or higher because I still have nightmares of edlin *cringe*.  They do have MS-DOS 6.22 for download along with GWBasic, QBasic, Borland C++ for DOS, etc for development.  I assume since you said the system is from 1984 that's it's an 8086 or 8088 which rules out Windows 3.x.
<br> <br>
After years of using TRS-80 systems I moved to an 8088 XT clone in 1990 running MS-DOS 3.3, and as you that's where I really started learning to code with GWBasic.  About 6 years ago I had some stuff in my closet shift one evening and that old system fell from the top shelf to the floor never to boot again.  I wish I still had it, but a few years ago I did pull out an old 486SX system I picked up used in college (around 1996) and played with some of these old DOS languages and games.
<br> <br>
Have fun though... so many people cast away these old systems as boat anchors, but they're awesome to work with if you have some patience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi !
What an awesome find !
You can actually download all the software you 'd ever want for the system here - http : //www.vetusware.com/ [ vetusware.com ] - which is a website with hundreds of abandoned software titles for download free .
They do have various versions of MS-DOS , which I 'd suggest MS-DOS 5.0 or higher because I still have nightmares of edlin * cringe * .
They do have MS-DOS 6.22 for download along with GWBasic , QBasic , Borland C + + for DOS , etc for development .
I assume since you said the system is from 1984 that 's it 's an 8086 or 8088 which rules out Windows 3.x .
After years of using TRS-80 systems I moved to an 8088 XT clone in 1990 running MS-DOS 3.3 , and as you that 's where I really started learning to code with GWBasic .
About 6 years ago I had some stuff in my closet shift one evening and that old system fell from the top shelf to the floor never to boot again .
I wish I still had it , but a few years ago I did pull out an old 486SX system I picked up used in college ( around 1996 ) and played with some of these old DOS languages and games .
Have fun though... so many people cast away these old systems as boat anchors , but they 're awesome to work with if you have some patience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi!
What an awesome find!
You can actually download all the software you'd ever want for the system here - http://www.vetusware.com/ [vetusware.com] - which is a website with hundreds of abandoned software titles for download free.
They do have various versions of MS-DOS, which I'd suggest MS-DOS 5.0 or higher because I still have nightmares of edlin *cringe*.
They do have MS-DOS 6.22 for download along with GWBasic, QBasic, Borland C++ for DOS, etc for development.
I assume since you said the system is from 1984 that's it's an 8086 or 8088 which rules out Windows 3.x.
After years of using TRS-80 systems I moved to an 8088 XT clone in 1990 running MS-DOS 3.3, and as you that's where I really started learning to code with GWBasic.
About 6 years ago I had some stuff in my closet shift one evening and that old system fell from the top shelf to the floor never to boot again.
I wish I still had it, but a few years ago I did pull out an old 486SX system I picked up used in college (around 1996) and played with some of these old DOS languages and games.
Have fun though... so many people cast away these old systems as boat anchors, but they're awesome to work with if you have some patience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650801</id>
	<title>5.25" disks</title>
	<author>Damase</author>
	<datestamp>1247244600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a couple of boxes of these that have never been opened.  I rescued them from a recycling effort at goodwill.  They are not on e-bay.  Contact me, or tell me how to contact you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a couple of boxes of these that have never been opened .
I rescued them from a recycling effort at goodwill .
They are not on e-bay .
Contact me , or tell me how to contact you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a couple of boxes of these that have never been opened.
I rescued them from a recycling effort at goodwill.
They are not on e-bay.
Contact me, or tell me how to contact you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649913</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>FatalTourist</author>
	<datestamp>1247241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently it was found next to an 18" Stonehenge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently it was found next to an 18 " Stonehenge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently it was found next to an 18" Stonehenge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651437</id>
	<title>laplink</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1247247480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can get to a DOS prompt don't forget about the old trusty program called laplink. You can transfer files via serial or parallel port and you only need to have the laplink program on the one computer to get started but you gotta have da DOS first.</p><p>P.S. You gotta get a hard drive... you'll go mad with floppies very quickly.. remember 512MB is the limit for IDE without using the umm overlay ummm I've forgot what it was called... o well nothing of value was lost...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can get to a DOS prompt do n't forget about the old trusty program called laplink .
You can transfer files via serial or parallel port and you only need to have the laplink program on the one computer to get started but you got ta have da DOS first.P.S .
You got ta get a hard drive... you 'll go mad with floppies very quickly.. remember 512MB is the limit for IDE without using the umm overlay ummm I 've forgot what it was called... o well nothing of value was lost.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can get to a DOS prompt don't forget about the old trusty program called laplink.
You can transfer files via serial or parallel port and you only need to have the laplink program on the one computer to get started but you gotta have da DOS first.P.S.
You gotta get a hard drive... you'll go mad with floppies very quickly.. remember 512MB is the limit for IDE without using the umm overlay ummm I've forgot what it was called... o well nothing of value was lost...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650125</id>
	<title>Class taught at my university</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A cool guy named Bill Degnan (who runs vintagecomputer.net ) teaches a class at University of Delaware sometimes called "History of Microcomputing", where students learn about microcomputing from the TX-0 up to modern-ish computers. The "textbook" for the class when I took it was Hackers by Steven Levy, which was a pretty good chronicle of how personal computing was built up from a bunch of "hackers". Our class project was to fix and program on a really old computer, and make a presentation about it. In previous years, I have heard of serious hardware modifications being performed on the old systems, like adding the ability to read fat16 to a really old IBM PC.

I personally had the ATT 3b1 ( ATT Unix PC with a bigger harddrive, <a href="http://vintagecomputer.net/att/3B1/" title="vintagecomputer.net" rel="nofollow">http://vintagecomputer.net/att/3B1/</a> [vintagecomputer.net] ), which was the first unix computer he had ever assigned (at my request). The class was pretty awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A cool guy named Bill Degnan ( who runs vintagecomputer.net ) teaches a class at University of Delaware sometimes called " History of Microcomputing " , where students learn about microcomputing from the TX-0 up to modern-ish computers .
The " textbook " for the class when I took it was Hackers by Steven Levy , which was a pretty good chronicle of how personal computing was built up from a bunch of " hackers " .
Our class project was to fix and program on a really old computer , and make a presentation about it .
In previous years , I have heard of serious hardware modifications being performed on the old systems , like adding the ability to read fat16 to a really old IBM PC .
I personally had the ATT 3b1 ( ATT Unix PC with a bigger harddrive , http : //vintagecomputer.net/att/3B1/ [ vintagecomputer.net ] ) , which was the first unix computer he had ever assigned ( at my request ) .
The class was pretty awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A cool guy named Bill Degnan (who runs vintagecomputer.net ) teaches a class at University of Delaware sometimes called "History of Microcomputing", where students learn about microcomputing from the TX-0 up to modern-ish computers.
The "textbook" for the class when I took it was Hackers by Steven Levy, which was a pretty good chronicle of how personal computing was built up from a bunch of "hackers".
Our class project was to fix and program on a really old computer, and make a presentation about it.
In previous years, I have heard of serious hardware modifications being performed on the old systems, like adding the ability to read fat16 to a really old IBM PC.
I personally had the ATT 3b1 ( ATT Unix PC with a bigger harddrive, http://vintagecomputer.net/att/3B1/ [vintagecomputer.net] ), which was the first unix computer he had ever assigned (at my request).
The class was pretty awesome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649513</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, gotta love Ebay where I keep hearing about people buying things like PS2 or Xbox games that say "PROPERTY OF BLOCKBUSTER" all over them.  What a bunch of niggers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , got ta love Ebay where I keep hearing about people buying things like PS2 or Xbox games that say " PROPERTY OF BLOCKBUSTER " all over them .
What a bunch of niggers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, gotta love Ebay where I keep hearing about people buying things like PS2 or Xbox games that say "PROPERTY OF BLOCKBUSTER" all over them.
What a bunch of niggers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653063</id>
	<title>DOS for old machine.</title>
	<author>FreeBSD evangelist</author>
	<datestamp>1247254500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a free MS-DOS clone.</p><p><a href="http://www.freedos.org/" title="freedos.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedos.org/</a> [freedos.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a free MS-DOS clone.http : //www.freedos.org/ [ freedos.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a free MS-DOS clone.http://www.freedos.org/ [freedos.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28670743</id>
	<title>In modern terms, what you have there is...</title>
	<author>Duggeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247401140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...a sub-par 2400 baud modem. (and that's pushing it)</p><p>Seriously, I have a Linksys router that would process circles around it; even before overclocking! I don't even think I could <i>underclock</i> my router to the speed of an i8088. (<b>4.77Mhz</b>) By Moore's Law, what you have there is an antique and little more... it's only good as a vehicle for driving down memory lane.</p><p>Excerpt from <a href="http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV\_UseBVCookie=yes&amp;infoType=Doc&amp;oid=14213" title="epson.com" rel="nofollow">original user manual</a> [epson.com]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>A number of option cards are available to expand the memory up to 640K, and a special Epson memory expansion card is available from your Epson dealer to expand memory to 512K without using an option slot.</p></div><p>Imagine all that you could do with a whole 640K!&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</p><p>If you're running a Linux server from your home, then this would make a good serial terminal, but only if you can find the emulator software to do it. You might be able to retrofit a controller for a 3.5" floppy, but USB is going to be a stretch. Do they even <i>make</i> USB controllers for ISA bus? The manual didn't specify the type of &ldquo;option card&rdquo; it uses, which makes me think it's the original 8-bit ISA standard. ISA was practically dead in 1997, then USB only rose to dominance after 1998... I'm not even sure they intersect!</p><p>Abandon all hope, ye who enter a &ldquo;system dick&rdquo; [sic] to continue. &lt;nods to <a href="http://slashdot.org/~ta+bu+shi+da+yu" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">ta bu shi da yu</a> [slashdot.org]&gt;</p><p>Recycle it or donate to a museum. Otherwise, best of luck!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...a sub-par 2400 baud modem .
( and that 's pushing it ) Seriously , I have a Linksys router that would process circles around it ; even before overclocking !
I do n't even think I could underclock my router to the speed of an i8088 .
( 4.77Mhz ) By Moore 's Law , what you have there is an antique and little more... it 's only good as a vehicle for driving down memory lane.Excerpt from original user manual [ epson.com ] : A number of option cards are available to expand the memory up to 640K , and a special Epson memory expansion card is available from your Epson dealer to expand memory to 512K without using an option slot.Imagine all that you could do with a whole 640K ! If you 're running a Linux server from your home , then this would make a good serial terminal , but only if you can find the emulator software to do it .
You might be able to retrofit a controller for a 3.5 " floppy , but USB is going to be a stretch .
Do they even make USB controllers for ISA bus ?
The manual did n't specify the type of    option card    it uses , which makes me think it 's the original 8-bit ISA standard .
ISA was practically dead in 1997 , then USB only rose to dominance after 1998... I 'm not even sure they intersect ! Abandon all hope , ye who enter a    system dick    [ sic ] to continue .
ta bu shi da yu [ slashdot.org ] &gt; Recycle it or donate to a museum .
Otherwise , best of luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...a sub-par 2400 baud modem.
(and that's pushing it)Seriously, I have a Linksys router that would process circles around it; even before overclocking!
I don't even think I could underclock my router to the speed of an i8088.
(4.77Mhz) By Moore's Law, what you have there is an antique and little more... it's only good as a vehicle for driving down memory lane.Excerpt from original user manual [epson.com]:A number of option cards are available to expand the memory up to 640K, and a special Epson memory expansion card is available from your Epson dealer to expand memory to 512K without using an option slot.Imagine all that you could do with a whole 640K!If you're running a Linux server from your home, then this would make a good serial terminal, but only if you can find the emulator software to do it.
You might be able to retrofit a controller for a 3.5" floppy, but USB is going to be a stretch.
Do they even make USB controllers for ISA bus?
The manual didn't specify the type of “option card” it uses, which makes me think it's the original 8-bit ISA standard.
ISA was practically dead in 1997, then USB only rose to dominance after 1998... I'm not even sure they intersect!Abandon all hope, ye who enter a “system dick” [sic] to continue.
ta bu shi da yu [slashdot.org]&gt;Recycle it or donate to a museum.
Otherwise, best of luck!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650895</id>
	<title>Goes to show: In the end, PCs are crap.</title>
	<author>Qbertino</author>
	<datestamp>1247244960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sort of thing goes to show that regular off-the-shelf x86es basically are rubbish. I've got a Sharp PC-1403 Pocket Computer, pretty much from the same period. I use it to this very day - also because it comes with a full-blown scientific calculator - and it still runs software I built 20 years ago. It's got Sharps Basic and a feature rich ROM with all kinds of neat things hardwired into it, starts in nano-seconds and runs 300+ hours of the grid on two buttoncells.</p><p>I bet you could observe the very same thing with 'desktops' and portables from Commodore, Atary or Sinclair. PCs scale easy, but they still are quite junky till this very day. Just discovered that once again yesterday when charsets and keyboard signals wouldn't match in a virtual Linux desktop enviroment.<br>Outside of a thriving eco-system of competition and many people basing their stuff of simular standards regular PCs fall short of delivering their promise. When things get tough, I'll take any old Tandy Portable over an PC Laptop any time. And not only because it runs on regular batteries if it needs to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sort of thing goes to show that regular off-the-shelf x86es basically are rubbish .
I 've got a Sharp PC-1403 Pocket Computer , pretty much from the same period .
I use it to this very day - also because it comes with a full-blown scientific calculator - and it still runs software I built 20 years ago .
It 's got Sharps Basic and a feature rich ROM with all kinds of neat things hardwired into it , starts in nano-seconds and runs 300 + hours of the grid on two buttoncells.I bet you could observe the very same thing with 'desktops ' and portables from Commodore , Atary or Sinclair .
PCs scale easy , but they still are quite junky till this very day .
Just discovered that once again yesterday when charsets and keyboard signals would n't match in a virtual Linux desktop enviroment.Outside of a thriving eco-system of competition and many people basing their stuff of simular standards regular PCs fall short of delivering their promise .
When things get tough , I 'll take any old Tandy Portable over an PC Laptop any time .
And not only because it runs on regular batteries if it needs to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sort of thing goes to show that regular off-the-shelf x86es basically are rubbish.
I've got a Sharp PC-1403 Pocket Computer, pretty much from the same period.
I use it to this very day - also because it comes with a full-blown scientific calculator - and it still runs software I built 20 years ago.
It's got Sharps Basic and a feature rich ROM with all kinds of neat things hardwired into it, starts in nano-seconds and runs 300+ hours of the grid on two buttoncells.I bet you could observe the very same thing with 'desktops' and portables from Commodore, Atary or Sinclair.
PCs scale easy, but they still are quite junky till this very day.
Just discovered that once again yesterday when charsets and keyboard signals wouldn't match in a virtual Linux desktop enviroment.Outside of a thriving eco-system of competition and many people basing their stuff of simular standards regular PCs fall short of delivering their promise.
When things get tough, I'll take any old Tandy Portable over an PC Laptop any time.
And not only because it runs on regular batteries if it needs to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654211</id>
	<title>Re:512k!</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247216460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, in the 'pc world' old is a Kaypro II.  Not that fancy MSDOS stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , in the 'pc world ' old is a Kaypro II .
Not that fancy MSDOS stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, in the 'pc world' old is a Kaypro II.
Not that fancy MSDOS stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649375</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649769</id>
	<title>Osborne 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still looking for CP/M for my old Osborne 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still looking for CP/M for my old Osborne 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still looking for CP/M for my old Osborne 1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654923</id>
	<title>Contact Drew University</title>
	<author>Zymurgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247220120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Epson QX-10, QX-16 and Equity computers were standard issue for Drew University (drew.edu) undergrads starting in 1984.  They've got to have a box of old disks in a dark corner of the computer center.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Epson QX-10 , QX-16 and Equity computers were standard issue for Drew University ( drew.edu ) undergrads starting in 1984 .
They 've got to have a box of old disks in a dark corner of the computer center .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Epson QX-10, QX-16 and Equity computers were standard issue for Drew University (drew.edu) undergrads starting in 1984.
They've got to have a box of old disks in a dark corner of the computer center.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652587</id>
	<title>You need Mono</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247252700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know why, but it seems that we all need it whether we realise it or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why , but it seems that we all need it whether we realise it or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why, but it seems that we all need it whether we realise it or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28659367</id>
	<title>Re:This might help...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247322300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is *very* cool, but wouldn't removing the original patina reduce the value if displaying these old machines on the Computer Antiques Roadshow?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is * very * cool , but would n't removing the original patina reduce the value if displaying these old machines on the Computer Antiques Roadshow ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is *very* cool, but wouldn't removing the original patina reduce the value if displaying these old machines on the Computer Antiques Roadshow?
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652175</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome find!!! Here's some software suggestion</title>
	<author>Scoth</author>
	<datestamp>1247251140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 3.0 runs just fine in real mode on an 8088/8086 with around 512k RAM as long as it has at least CGA or Hercules graphics. I "ran" it on an IBM PC Convertible with 512k and something approaching CGA graphics. It was pretty slow and looked terrible, but it was good enough to pull up Notepad and Solitaire. Windows 3.1 and later dropped support for real mode and required a 286 or higher (with WFW stropping standard mode and requiring a 386)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 3.0 runs just fine in real mode on an 8088/8086 with around 512k RAM as long as it has at least CGA or Hercules graphics .
I " ran " it on an IBM PC Convertible with 512k and something approaching CGA graphics .
It was pretty slow and looked terrible , but it was good enough to pull up Notepad and Solitaire .
Windows 3.1 and later dropped support for real mode and required a 286 or higher ( with WFW stropping standard mode and requiring a 386 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 3.0 runs just fine in real mode on an 8088/8086 with around 512k RAM as long as it has at least CGA or Hercules graphics.
I "ran" it on an IBM PC Convertible with 512k and something approaching CGA graphics.
It was pretty slow and looked terrible, but it was good enough to pull up Notepad and Solitaire.
Windows 3.1 and later dropped support for real mode and required a 286 or higher (with WFW stropping standard mode and requiring a 386)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650973</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247245260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I missed the CP/M era (too young), and was considering a Z80 card for my Apple II to try it out.  I looked first, and found plenty of productivity software and programming languages.  I was surprised to find very few games for CP/M though.  Mostly interactive fiction.  Were games just not big on CP/M, or am I missing something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I missed the CP/M era ( too young ) , and was considering a Z80 card for my Apple II to try it out .
I looked first , and found plenty of productivity software and programming languages .
I was surprised to find very few games for CP/M though .
Mostly interactive fiction .
Were games just not big on CP/M , or am I missing something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I missed the CP/M era (too young), and was considering a Z80 card for my Apple II to try it out.
I looked first, and found plenty of productivity software and programming languages.
I was surprised to find very few games for CP/M though.
Mostly interactive fiction.
Were games just not big on CP/M, or am I missing something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651673</id>
	<title>Energy crisis</title>
	<author>angrydj</author>
	<datestamp>1247249040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a time when every kilowatt counts, I think your time and energy is wasted on this "project".  It can easily be done, but the energy to computing output ratio is boned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a time when every kilowatt counts , I think your time and energy is wasted on this " project " .
It can easily be done , but the energy to computing output ratio is boned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a time when every kilowatt counts, I think your time and energy is wasted on this "project".
It can easily be done, but the energy to computing output ratio is boned.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28654327</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome find!!! Here's some software suggestion</title>
	<author>bjverzal</author>
	<datestamp>1247217000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few decades ago, I succeeded in getting Desqview to run on a modified XT with an NEC-V20 processor and 8087 co-processor.  I think it ran for a few minutes before crashing.  It was a fun challenge though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few decades ago , I succeeded in getting Desqview to run on a modified XT with an NEC-V20 processor and 8087 co-processor .
I think it ran for a few minutes before crashing .
It was a fun challenge though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few decades ago, I succeeded in getting Desqview to run on a modified XT with an NEC-V20 processor and 8087 co-processor.
I think it ran for a few minutes before crashing.
It was a fun challenge though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649709</id>
	<title>Double density or high density drives?</title>
	<author>Cprossu</author>
	<datestamp>1247240460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find out if your epson's got DD or HD 5 1/4 drives, and don't mix the two ever! a disk formatted with a HD drive will never work right with a DD drive again!</p><p>As far as images of disks and abandonware, google is your friend, I think you can *cough* still find images of boot disks for dos 5 and below just fine for the 5 1/4's (although there's nothing stopping you from running 6.22 on that machine)... The next thing you need to do is find out if you've got 360kb or 1.2mb floppy drives...  Then find an older floppy cable that has the old edge style floppy connector and either pull one off the epson or find one elsewhere to attach to your PC and go into bios to see if it's an option (most likely 360kb). Then you'll need some blank 360k floppies.. I usually snag those at goodwills when I see them, but I am sure ebay is an option too..... if you want to go the 3 1/2 route though, find out if that sucker will support a 1.44mb drive, it's as easy as finding the drive, putting a newer style (or a double type) floppy cable in and setting it up...</p><p>HOWEVER if memory serves me, those epson's bios utility was on a floppy so your mileage may vary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find out if your epson 's got DD or HD 5 1/4 drives , and do n't mix the two ever !
a disk formatted with a HD drive will never work right with a DD drive again ! As far as images of disks and abandonware , google is your friend , I think you can * cough * still find images of boot disks for dos 5 and below just fine for the 5 1/4 's ( although there 's nothing stopping you from running 6.22 on that machine ) ... The next thing you need to do is find out if you 've got 360kb or 1.2mb floppy drives... Then find an older floppy cable that has the old edge style floppy connector and either pull one off the epson or find one elsewhere to attach to your PC and go into bios to see if it 's an option ( most likely 360kb ) .
Then you 'll need some blank 360k floppies.. I usually snag those at goodwills when I see them , but I am sure ebay is an option too..... if you want to go the 3 1/2 route though , find out if that sucker will support a 1.44mb drive , it 's as easy as finding the drive , putting a newer style ( or a double type ) floppy cable in and setting it up...HOWEVER if memory serves me , those epson 's bios utility was on a floppy so your mileage may vary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find out if your epson's got DD or HD 5 1/4 drives, and don't mix the two ever!
a disk formatted with a HD drive will never work right with a DD drive again!As far as images of disks and abandonware, google is your friend, I think you can *cough* still find images of boot disks for dos 5 and below just fine for the 5 1/4's (although there's nothing stopping you from running 6.22 on that machine)... The next thing you need to do is find out if you've got 360kb or 1.2mb floppy drives...  Then find an older floppy cable that has the old edge style floppy connector and either pull one off the epson or find one elsewhere to attach to your PC and go into bios to see if it's an option (most likely 360kb).
Then you'll need some blank 360k floppies.. I usually snag those at goodwills when I see them, but I am sure ebay is an option too..... if you want to go the 3 1/2 route though, find out if that sucker will support a 1.44mb drive, it's as easy as finding the drive, putting a newer style (or a double type) floppy cable in and setting it up...HOWEVER if memory serves me, those epson's bios utility was on a floppy so your mileage may vary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652185</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, "Beware of the leopard."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying , " Beware of the leopard .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, "Beware of the leopard.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649913</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653387</id>
	<title>Old School</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247255880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting project!</p><p>Based on what information I could gather about your system in it's current configuration, here are some notes.<br>- The internal Floppy Drive Controller is going to be a major problem<br>- Based on the manual, your floppy drive controller can not be disabled by DIP switches (no mention of jumpers though)<br>- Therefore here are your remaining options;</p><p>+ Find diskette (reliable) media &amp; drive (if necessary) which are compatible with the double sided, double density floppy controller card<br>+ Find an MFM/RLL hard drive &amp; controller (if necessary) (the drives are likely all dust by now if the controller cards, cables and terminators aren't)<br>+ Find an 8 bit ISA based hard disk card (a hard drive mounted directly on an ISA expansion card, rare but handy gems)<br>+ Find an 8 bit ISA network interface card with a programmable EEPROM chip and flashing (if it survives it) a basic operating system onto it using a machine with ISA slots.</p><p>This my dear friend is a fine example of a crippled motherboard.<br>If the internal floppy controller could be disabled you would have all sorts of options from there.</p><p>Should you have no more use for the hardware otherwise, try installing a high density floppy drive controller card into the ISA expansion slots.<br>Disable the old drives (unplug power &amp; data), enable the 3 1/2" high density floppy drive on the high density floppy controller card.<br>Even though both the internal and external floppy controllers are mapped to the same IO ports and IRQs, it may still work if no drives are connected to the internal floppy controller.<br>This may however lock up the system if the interrupt requests fall into a race condition, either way you should know immediately at boot-up.<br>When you boot the system, it will either work, fail with a message or freeze up, possibly spinning the high density drive indefinitely.</p><p>All the best,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; ASA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting project ! Based on what information I could gather about your system in it 's current configuration , here are some notes.- The internal Floppy Drive Controller is going to be a major problem- Based on the manual , your floppy drive controller can not be disabled by DIP switches ( no mention of jumpers though ) - Therefore here are your remaining options ; + Find diskette ( reliable ) media &amp; drive ( if necessary ) which are compatible with the double sided , double density floppy controller card + Find an MFM/RLL hard drive &amp; controller ( if necessary ) ( the drives are likely all dust by now if the controller cards , cables and terminators are n't ) + Find an 8 bit ISA based hard disk card ( a hard drive mounted directly on an ISA expansion card , rare but handy gems ) + Find an 8 bit ISA network interface card with a programmable EEPROM chip and flashing ( if it survives it ) a basic operating system onto it using a machine with ISA slots.This my dear friend is a fine example of a crippled motherboard.If the internal floppy controller could be disabled you would have all sorts of options from there.Should you have no more use for the hardware otherwise , try installing a high density floppy drive controller card into the ISA expansion slots.Disable the old drives ( unplug power &amp; data ) , enable the 3 1/2 " high density floppy drive on the high density floppy controller card.Even though both the internal and external floppy controllers are mapped to the same IO ports and IRQs , it may still work if no drives are connected to the internal floppy controller.This may however lock up the system if the interrupt requests fall into a race condition , either way you should know immediately at boot-up.When you boot the system , it will either work , fail with a message or freeze up , possibly spinning the high density drive indefinitely.All the best ,     ASA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting project!Based on what information I could gather about your system in it's current configuration, here are some notes.- The internal Floppy Drive Controller is going to be a major problem- Based on the manual, your floppy drive controller can not be disabled by DIP switches (no mention of jumpers though)- Therefore here are your remaining options;+ Find diskette (reliable) media &amp; drive (if necessary) which are compatible with the double sided, double density floppy controller card+ Find an MFM/RLL hard drive &amp; controller (if necessary) (the drives are likely all dust by now if the controller cards, cables and terminators aren't)+ Find an 8 bit ISA based hard disk card (a hard drive mounted directly on an ISA expansion card, rare but handy gems)+ Find an 8 bit ISA network interface card with a programmable EEPROM chip and flashing (if it survives it) a basic operating system onto it using a machine with ISA slots.This my dear friend is a fine example of a crippled motherboard.If the internal floppy controller could be disabled you would have all sorts of options from there.Should you have no more use for the hardware otherwise, try installing a high density floppy drive controller card into the ISA expansion slots.Disable the old drives (unplug power &amp; data), enable the 3 1/2" high density floppy drive on the high density floppy controller card.Even though both the internal and external floppy controllers are mapped to the same IO ports and IRQs, it may still work if no drives are connected to the internal floppy controller.This may however lock up the system if the interrupt requests fall into a race condition, either way you should know immediately at boot-up.When you boot the system, it will either work, fail with a message or freeze up, possibly spinning the high density drive indefinitely.All the best,
    ASA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651365</id>
	<title>Shouldn't be a problem</title>
	<author>iwulinux</author>
	<datestamp>1247247180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before?</p><p>I'm currently resurrecting a 1971 DEC PDP-8 minicomputer, and I'm not the first one to do so. This is after years of bringing back old micros from the brink of doom. So yes, unequivocally, you *can* restore a system of this age. Even the same standards are still in use!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before ? I 'm currently resurrecting a 1971 DEC PDP-8 minicomputer , and I 'm not the first one to do so .
This is after years of bringing back old micros from the brink of doom .
So yes , unequivocally , you * can * restore a system of this age .
Even the same standards are still in use !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Has anyone tried to resurrect a PC this old before?I'm currently resurrecting a 1971 DEC PDP-8 minicomputer, and I'm not the first one to do so.
This is after years of bringing back old micros from the brink of doom.
So yes, unequivocally, you *can* restore a system of this age.
Even the same standards are still in use!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651351</id>
	<title>Doctor in the house</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, get DRDOS... maybe try bootdisk.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , get DRDOS... maybe try bootdisk.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, get DRDOS... maybe try bootdisk.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650743</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1247244360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The TRS-80 Model IV? Ah, I remember fondly (mostly). It was my second computer after the Model I. 64K of RAM as i recall. I learned BASIC on the Model I, and the Model IV made it seem like a dream. With the IV I actually got to save to floppies instead of casette.</p><p>I still have the Model I in the attic. Most of the keys still work, but the casette drive is long dead. One of these days i am going to show the kids what it was like so they can roll their eyes in disgust.</p><p>I will then throw them out of the house and yell at them to stay off of my lawn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The TRS-80 Model IV ?
Ah , I remember fondly ( mostly ) .
It was my second computer after the Model I .
64K of RAM as i recall .
I learned BASIC on the Model I , and the Model IV made it seem like a dream .
With the IV I actually got to save to floppies instead of casette.I still have the Model I in the attic .
Most of the keys still work , but the casette drive is long dead .
One of these days i am going to show the kids what it was like so they can roll their eyes in disgust.I will then throw them out of the house and yell at them to stay off of my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TRS-80 Model IV?
Ah, I remember fondly (mostly).
It was my second computer after the Model I.
64K of RAM as i recall.
I learned BASIC on the Model I, and the Model IV made it seem like a dream.
With the IV I actually got to save to floppies instead of casette.I still have the Model I in the attic.
Most of the keys still work, but the casette drive is long dead.
One of these days i am going to show the kids what it was like so they can roll their eyes in disgust.I will then throw them out of the house and yell at them to stay off of my lawn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649625</id>
	<title>FreeDOS</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1247240100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeDOS has been discussed here before, at length.  It should work on your machine well enough to get you started.  There are a lot of resources available related the FreeDOS efforts; so, you may be able to find a lot of what you are looking for.</p><p>The USB drives likely won't work with this old machine -- but you now that are I'm assuming you're talking about creating the floppies.  I haven't seen a 5 1/4" external for some time...  You may need to put a 3 1/2" disk into the old machine initially. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeDOS has been discussed here before , at length .
It should work on your machine well enough to get you started .
There are a lot of resources available related the FreeDOS efforts ; so , you may be able to find a lot of what you are looking for.The USB drives likely wo n't work with this old machine -- but you now that are I 'm assuming you 're talking about creating the floppies .
I have n't seen a 5 1/4 " external for some time... You may need to put a 3 1/2 " disk into the old machine initially .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeDOS has been discussed here before, at length.
It should work on your machine well enough to get you started.
There are a lot of resources available related the FreeDOS efforts; so, you may be able to find a lot of what you are looking for.The USB drives likely won't work with this old machine -- but you now that are I'm assuming you're talking about creating the floppies.
I haven't seen a 5 1/4" external for some time...  You may need to put a 3 1/2" disk into the old machine initially. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649943</id>
	<title>Maybe RTFM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe you can find something in the <a href="http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV\_UseBVCookie=yes&amp;infoType=Doc&amp;oid=14213" title="epson.com" rel="nofollow">manual</a> [epson.com]?

<p>I know I will be modded troll or something but I was just amazed that you can find <a href="http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?BV\_UseBVCookie=yes&amp;infoType=Doc&amp;oid=14213" title="epson.com" rel="nofollow">an actual manual</a> [epson.com] by <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Epson+Equity+I&amp;hl=en" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">googling</a> [google.com]! It's probably useless but anyway, kudos to EPSON.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you can find something in the manual [ epson.com ] ?
I know I will be modded troll or something but I was just amazed that you can find an actual manual [ epson.com ] by googling [ google.com ] !
It 's probably useless but anyway , kudos to EPSON .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you can find something in the manual [epson.com]?
I know I will be modded troll or something but I was just amazed that you can find an actual manual [epson.com] by googling [google.com]!
It's probably useless but anyway, kudos to EPSON.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653171</id>
	<title>Re:Impressive</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1247254980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor.  I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device.  Wonder what the resolution is?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive!</p><p>Makes my 25.5" WUXGA monitor look like crap in comparison!<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor .
I 'm assuming its some sort of front projection device .
Wonder what the resolution is ?
: ) Yeah , I thought that was pretty impressive ! Makes my 25.5 " WUXGA monitor look like crap in comparison ! -Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm more impressed with the 13 foot monitor.
I'm assuming its some sort of front projection device.
Wonder what the resolution is?
:)Yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive!Makes my 25.5" WUXGA monitor look like crap in comparison!-Taylor
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649375</id>
	<title>512k!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it's not *that* old, it's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it 's not * that * old , it 's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it's not *that* old, it's not like anyone has or ever will need more than 512K of ram...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28656641</id>
	<title>Re:Amstrad PC1512</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247233500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was it a schneider amstrad with a music casette drive?</p><p>pls, it if is one, and you still have it, and it still works, this would be very relevant to my interests. (first computer i got at the age of 4)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was it a schneider amstrad with a music casette drive ? pls , it if is one , and you still have it , and it still works , this would be very relevant to my interests .
( first computer i got at the age of 4 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was it a schneider amstrad with a music casette drive?pls, it if is one, and you still have it, and it still works, this would be very relevant to my interests.
(first computer i got at the age of 4)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649931</id>
	<title>How time flies...</title>
	<author>sgage</author>
	<datestamp>1247241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a number of old computers from days gone by, stashed in a closet here. Several of them still work fine. I especially enjoy firing up my 1992 Zeos 486 DX2-66 from time to time. This was my workhorse for years, came with Windows 3.1. I jacked up the RAM and HD, and it ran Windows 95 quite well. Built like a tank!</p><p>I also have an original Osborne 1, a 1989 Zenith SuperSport, a 1997 Micron 200 MHz Pentium MMX, an HP Pavilion PIII 500MHz, and a Vaio PIII 500MHz. The magic smoke leaked out of the Zenith long ago, and it doesn't work any more, and the Vaio boots maybe 50\% of the time, but the rest of 'em still work as well as they ever did.</p><p>I think I'll fire up the Zeos this afternoon for old time's sake! If I do, I'll post a message from it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a number of old computers from days gone by , stashed in a closet here .
Several of them still work fine .
I especially enjoy firing up my 1992 Zeos 486 DX2-66 from time to time .
This was my workhorse for years , came with Windows 3.1 .
I jacked up the RAM and HD , and it ran Windows 95 quite well .
Built like a tank ! I also have an original Osborne 1 , a 1989 Zenith SuperSport , a 1997 Micron 200 MHz Pentium MMX , an HP Pavilion PIII 500MHz , and a Vaio PIII 500MHz .
The magic smoke leaked out of the Zenith long ago , and it does n't work any more , and the Vaio boots maybe 50 \ % of the time , but the rest of 'em still work as well as they ever did.I think I 'll fire up the Zeos this afternoon for old time 's sake !
If I do , I 'll post a message from it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a number of old computers from days gone by, stashed in a closet here.
Several of them still work fine.
I especially enjoy firing up my 1992 Zeos 486 DX2-66 from time to time.
This was my workhorse for years, came with Windows 3.1.
I jacked up the RAM and HD, and it ran Windows 95 quite well.
Built like a tank!I also have an original Osborne 1, a 1989 Zenith SuperSport, a 1997 Micron 200 MHz Pentium MMX, an HP Pavilion PIII 500MHz, and a Vaio PIII 500MHz.
The magic smoke leaked out of the Zenith long ago, and it doesn't work any more, and the Vaio boots maybe 50\% of the time, but the rest of 'em still work as well as they ever did.I think I'll fire up the Zeos this afternoon for old time's sake!
If I do, I'll post a message from it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650531</id>
	<title>Retrofit?</title>
	<author>Mal-2</author>
	<datestamp>1247243580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the actual computer worth the effort, or are you just going for a retro look and feel? If it's the latter, gut it and shoehorn in a modern microATX board and ATX power supply. If the power switch is a pushbutton "memory" type, then it uses a paperclip-like wire to "remember" whether it should be on or off. Just remove this wire and it will become a momentary pushbutton, which will function perfectly as an ATX power button. (Sure it's overkill to use a 240V 15A switch as a momentary pushbutton, but what else are you going to use it for?) I'm sure you can figure out how to attach a hard drive to some surface, and hack the back panel to match the motherboard and power supply.</p><p>For the monitor, you could find a SVGA CRT monitor and swap the shells -- if you consider this important enough. Otherwise, just get some old CRT from the thrift store and clean it up. Chances are nobody other than a fellow geek would notice the anachronism.</p><p>The keyboard is likely hardwired for XT keystrokes, but if it has an XT/AT switch somewhere, you can stick an AT-PS2 adapter on it and keep using it.</p><p>The floppy drives can be connected to a modern PC's floppy controller with the original cable. The floppy controller spec has not changed in at least a decade, and support for 360k floppies was never dropped. Since floppies (even the 1.44 MB variety) are almost useless, there is no point in improving the existing drives. Just make them work if you are so inclined. You may want to sacrifice one to free up a bay for an optical drive anyway.</p><p>If you decided you really wanted to run software of the appropriate age, you still could -- just fire up DOSbox.</p><p>Mal-2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the actual computer worth the effort , or are you just going for a retro look and feel ?
If it 's the latter , gut it and shoehorn in a modern microATX board and ATX power supply .
If the power switch is a pushbutton " memory " type , then it uses a paperclip-like wire to " remember " whether it should be on or off .
Just remove this wire and it will become a momentary pushbutton , which will function perfectly as an ATX power button .
( Sure it 's overkill to use a 240V 15A switch as a momentary pushbutton , but what else are you going to use it for ?
) I 'm sure you can figure out how to attach a hard drive to some surface , and hack the back panel to match the motherboard and power supply.For the monitor , you could find a SVGA CRT monitor and swap the shells -- if you consider this important enough .
Otherwise , just get some old CRT from the thrift store and clean it up .
Chances are nobody other than a fellow geek would notice the anachronism.The keyboard is likely hardwired for XT keystrokes , but if it has an XT/AT switch somewhere , you can stick an AT-PS2 adapter on it and keep using it.The floppy drives can be connected to a modern PC 's floppy controller with the original cable .
The floppy controller spec has not changed in at least a decade , and support for 360k floppies was never dropped .
Since floppies ( even the 1.44 MB variety ) are almost useless , there is no point in improving the existing drives .
Just make them work if you are so inclined .
You may want to sacrifice one to free up a bay for an optical drive anyway.If you decided you really wanted to run software of the appropriate age , you still could -- just fire up DOSbox.Mal-2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the actual computer worth the effort, or are you just going for a retro look and feel?
If it's the latter, gut it and shoehorn in a modern microATX board and ATX power supply.
If the power switch is a pushbutton "memory" type, then it uses a paperclip-like wire to "remember" whether it should be on or off.
Just remove this wire and it will become a momentary pushbutton, which will function perfectly as an ATX power button.
(Sure it's overkill to use a 240V 15A switch as a momentary pushbutton, but what else are you going to use it for?
) I'm sure you can figure out how to attach a hard drive to some surface, and hack the back panel to match the motherboard and power supply.For the monitor, you could find a SVGA CRT monitor and swap the shells -- if you consider this important enough.
Otherwise, just get some old CRT from the thrift store and clean it up.
Chances are nobody other than a fellow geek would notice the anachronism.The keyboard is likely hardwired for XT keystrokes, but if it has an XT/AT switch somewhere, you can stick an AT-PS2 adapter on it and keep using it.The floppy drives can be connected to a modern PC's floppy controller with the original cable.
The floppy controller spec has not changed in at least a decade, and support for 360k floppies was never dropped.
Since floppies (even the 1.44 MB variety) are almost useless, there is no point in improving the existing drives.
Just make them work if you are so inclined.
You may want to sacrifice one to free up a bay for an optical drive anyway.If you decided you really wanted to run software of the appropriate age, you still could -- just fire up DOSbox.Mal-2</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657623</id>
	<title>amazingly enough I'm equipped to do that...</title>
	<author>ecloud</author>
	<datestamp>1247245500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stacks of 360k floppy drives... check.  Hundreds of floppies from the DOS days... check.  Couple of spare 486 boxen (and even a 386)... check.  (I still have an original IBM XT too, just in case it becomes a valuable collectible.)</p><p>I'd probably put an ISA IDE adapter in it (have some of those? check) and an IDE-CF adapter, and use a CF card for a hard drive.  A machine like that doesn't know what to do with even one full gigabyte.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)  I remember a buddy had bought a 300 meg drive back in the day, when most folks had Seagate 40 meggers, and had to make a bazillion 32meg partitions because that's all DOS could handle.  Different programs went on different drive letters, and he had a long printout to keep track of it all.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>The old stuff was better made, of course.  Nowadays you're lucky to get the electrolytic caps on your mobo to last more than 2-3 years.</p><p>I just got another Zip drive on ebay because mine had died and I wanted to recover some data from the old disks, and guess what? I managed to read every last byte off every one of them, all in an evening.  Now I can bulk-erase the disks and put the whole pile on ebay again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stacks of 360k floppy drives... check. Hundreds of floppies from the DOS days... check. Couple of spare 486 boxen ( and even a 386 ) ... check. ( I still have an original IBM XT too , just in case it becomes a valuable collectible .
) I 'd probably put an ISA IDE adapter in it ( have some of those ?
check ) and an IDE-CF adapter , and use a CF card for a hard drive .
A machine like that does n't know what to do with even one full gigabyte .
: - ) I remember a buddy had bought a 300 meg drive back in the day , when most folks had Seagate 40 meggers , and had to make a bazillion 32meg partitions because that 's all DOS could handle .
Different programs went on different drive letters , and he had a long printout to keep track of it all .
: - ) The old stuff was better made , of course .
Nowadays you 're lucky to get the electrolytic caps on your mobo to last more than 2-3 years.I just got another Zip drive on ebay because mine had died and I wanted to recover some data from the old disks , and guess what ?
I managed to read every last byte off every one of them , all in an evening .
Now I can bulk-erase the disks and put the whole pile on ebay again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stacks of 360k floppy drives... check.  Hundreds of floppies from the DOS days... check.  Couple of spare 486 boxen (and even a 386)... check.  (I still have an original IBM XT too, just in case it becomes a valuable collectible.
)I'd probably put an ISA IDE adapter in it (have some of those?
check) and an IDE-CF adapter, and use a CF card for a hard drive.
A machine like that doesn't know what to do with even one full gigabyte.
:-)  I remember a buddy had bought a 300 meg drive back in the day, when most folks had Seagate 40 meggers, and had to make a bazillion 32meg partitions because that's all DOS could handle.
Different programs went on different drive letters, and he had a long printout to keep track of it all.
:-)The old stuff was better made, of course.
Nowadays you're lucky to get the electrolytic caps on your mobo to last more than 2-3 years.I just got another Zip drive on ebay because mine had died and I wanted to recover some data from the old disks, and guess what?
I managed to read every last byte off every one of them, all in an evening.
Now I can bulk-erase the disks and put the whole pile on ebay again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649385</id>
	<title>My advice to you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fire that bad boy up, and get yourself a FIRST POST! BOO YAH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fire that bad boy up , and get yourself a FIRST POST !
BOO YAH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fire that bad boy up, and get yourself a FIRST POST!
BOO YAH</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649941</id>
	<title>There are some interesting computers from that era</title>
	<author>Cajun Hell</author>
	<datestamp>1247241300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and an XT clone isn't one of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and an XT clone is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and an XT clone isn't one of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649461</id>
	<title>Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>tuorum</author>
	<datestamp>1247239440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thought they make them, they are probably all 1.2MB ones, which use a much smaller write head and might not be easily readable on the old 360KB drives. YMMV and it can't hurt to test.  Good luck!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thought they make them , they are probably all 1.2MB ones , which use a much smaller write head and might not be easily readable on the old 360KB drives .
YMMV and it ca n't hurt to test .
Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thought they make them, they are probably all 1.2MB ones, which use a much smaller write head and might not be easily readable on the old 360KB drives.
YMMV and it can't hurt to test.
Good luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657475</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Rand1956</author>
	<datestamp>1247243340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Model 4P with Montezuma Micro CP/M remains my favorite computer. Wish I still had it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Model 4P with Montezuma Micro CP/M remains my favorite computer .
Wish I still had it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Model 4P with Montezuma Micro CP/M remains my favorite computer.
Wish I still had it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651635</id>
	<title>Make a boot floppy</title>
	<author>dilute</author>
	<datestamp>1247248800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had, IIRC, an Equity II.  It had (again IIRC) an 8086 and a 20 meg drive and not quite the same OS as IBM.  It was a great machine in its day, but it's not the model you have.</p><p>The Equity I, I believe had an 8088 and was closer to an original PC in architecture.</p><p>I would take the "B" 5 1/4 inch floppy drive and its cable temporarily out of the Epson and plug it into a modern machine (which I assume does not have a floppy of its own, but a header for it on the motherboard and a compatible free power connector).  Boot up the modern machine with some 16-bit DOS variant.  Insert a fresh floppy disk into the transplanted drive and FORMAT A:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/S (which writes the two system files needed to boot) and then copy COMMAND.COM to the floppy.  Then see if the Epson will boot off of this floppy from its A drive.  If so, power down and return the B drive to the Epson, and from there you should be able to run DOS software that you find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had , IIRC , an Equity II .
It had ( again IIRC ) an 8086 and a 20 meg drive and not quite the same OS as IBM .
It was a great machine in its day , but it 's not the model you have.The Equity I , I believe had an 8088 and was closer to an original PC in architecture.I would take the " B " 5 1/4 inch floppy drive and its cable temporarily out of the Epson and plug it into a modern machine ( which I assume does not have a floppy of its own , but a header for it on the motherboard and a compatible free power connector ) .
Boot up the modern machine with some 16-bit DOS variant .
Insert a fresh floppy disk into the transplanted drive and FORMAT A : /S ( which writes the two system files needed to boot ) and then copy COMMAND.COM to the floppy .
Then see if the Epson will boot off of this floppy from its A drive .
If so , power down and return the B drive to the Epson , and from there you should be able to run DOS software that you find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had, IIRC, an Equity II.
It had (again IIRC) an 8086 and a 20 meg drive and not quite the same OS as IBM.
It was a great machine in its day, but it's not the model you have.The Equity I, I believe had an 8088 and was closer to an original PC in architecture.I would take the "B" 5 1/4 inch floppy drive and its cable temporarily out of the Epson and plug it into a modern machine (which I assume does not have a floppy of its own, but a header for it on the motherboard and a compatible free power connector).
Boot up the modern machine with some 16-bit DOS variant.
Insert a fresh floppy disk into the transplanted drive and FORMAT A: /S (which writes the two system files needed to boot) and then copy COMMAND.COM to the floppy.
Then see if the Epson will boot off of this floppy from its A drive.
If so, power down and return the B drive to the Epson, and from there you should be able to run DOS software that you find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652363</id>
	<title>Getting a Classic T/S 1000 Working After 25 Years?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a "computer" they had bought brand new in 1980s: Timex Sinclair 1000 personal computer; 2K RAM with 16K external RAM expansion pack; 40-key membrane keyboard; 1 (count 'em!, 1) external audio cassette data storage drive (user-provided); Variable-diagonal composite monitor (conforms precisely to your TV's tube size); handy on/off power supply plug; healthy 25-year-old oxidized black plastic; absolutely no software. (My mom ran like crazy to pay for our after-school daycare, and this used to be all we could afford. I cut my programming teeth on this thing. Basic was my friend. Basic programs took 10 minutes to load when you loaded a new cassette.) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off, dusted out a little, and plugged it in. It actually fired up! I'm stoked, except the tapes we had are missing. What I'm looking to do is either buy some old working tapes with whatever I can find (Missile Command, Ator the ABC Gator, whatever), or try and recreate some using a memory port-based floppy drive and some modern software. Has anyone tried to resurrect a "computer" this old before?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yesterday I dug out of my parents ' basement a " computer " they had bought brand new in 1980s : Timex Sinclair 1000 personal computer ; 2K RAM with 16K external RAM expansion pack ; 40-key membrane keyboard ; 1 ( count 'em ! , 1 ) external audio cassette data storage drive ( user-provided ) ; Variable-diagonal composite monitor ( conforms precisely to your TV 's tube size ) ; handy on/off power supply plug ; healthy 25-year-old oxidized black plastic ; absolutely no software .
( My mom ran like crazy to pay for our after-school daycare , and this used to be all we could afford .
I cut my programming teeth on this thing .
Basic was my friend .
Basic programs took 10 minutes to load when you loaded a new cassette .
) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off , dusted out a little , and plugged it in .
It actually fired up !
I 'm stoked , except the tapes we had are missing .
What I 'm looking to do is either buy some old working tapes with whatever I can find ( Missile Command , Ator the ABC Gator , whatever ) , or try and recreate some using a memory port-based floppy drive and some modern software .
Has anyone tried to resurrect a " computer " this old before ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yesterday I dug out of my parents' basement a "computer" they had bought brand new in 1980s: Timex Sinclair 1000 personal computer; 2K RAM with 16K external RAM expansion pack; 40-key membrane keyboard; 1 (count 'em!, 1) external audio cassette data storage drive (user-provided); Variable-diagonal composite monitor (conforms precisely to your TV's tube size); handy on/off power supply plug; healthy 25-year-old oxidized black plastic; absolutely no software.
(My mom ran like crazy to pay for our after-school daycare, and this used to be all we could afford.
I cut my programming teeth on this thing.
Basic was my friend.
Basic programs took 10 minutes to load when you loaded a new cassette.
) When I resurrected this machine I pulled the case off, dusted out a little, and plugged it in.
It actually fired up!
I'm stoked, except the tapes we had are missing.
What I'm looking to do is either buy some old working tapes with whatever I can find (Missile Command, Ator the ABC Gator, whatever), or try and recreate some using a memory port-based floppy drive and some modern software.
Has anyone tried to resurrect a "computer" this old before?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649485</id>
	<title>Quality that lasts.</title>
	<author>Qwrk</author>
	<datestamp>1247239560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Getting these things up and running is no surprise to me.  It seems that they used quality stuff in them days.  I have loads of these oldies that haven't been booted for 10+ years and upon plugging them in they start off as if nothing ever happened.  Drives with a ST-506 interface in particular seem to be of an indistructible kind of quality-make.
Feel free to contact me for disks, or as stated; check eBay of contact Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn [http://www.digibarn.com/].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting these things up and running is no surprise to me .
It seems that they used quality stuff in them days .
I have loads of these oldies that have n't been booted for 10 + years and upon plugging them in they start off as if nothing ever happened .
Drives with a ST-506 interface in particular seem to be of an indistructible kind of quality-make .
Feel free to contact me for disks , or as stated ; check eBay of contact Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn [ http : //www.digibarn.com/ ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting these things up and running is no surprise to me.
It seems that they used quality stuff in them days.
I have loads of these oldies that haven't been booted for 10+ years and upon plugging them in they start off as if nothing ever happened.
Drives with a ST-506 interface in particular seem to be of an indistructible kind of quality-make.
Feel free to contact me for disks, or as stated; check eBay of contact Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn [http://www.digibarn.com/].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651429</id>
	<title>Re:I have experince with this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just last weekend, I threw away all of my old AUI transceivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just last weekend , I threw away all of my old AUI transceivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just last weekend, I threw away all of my old AUI transceivers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653913</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247258160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ah, CP/M.   the pre open source "linux" of the early 80s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ah , CP/M .
the pre open source " linux " of the early 80s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ah, CP/M.
the pre open source "linux" of the early 80s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649661</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649679</id>
	<title>A 13' monitor?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sweeeeeet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweeeeeet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweeeeeet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652903</id>
	<title>Maybe I can help</title>
	<author>Rene S. Hollan</author>
	<datestamp>1247253900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I might be able to help... maybe... if no one else can.</p><p>I remember archiving a bunch of floppy images onto CDs when I got rid of the original floppies a while ago... including, IIRC DOS 3.3, and possibly GWBASIC.</p><p>What I likely <b>don't have</b> are drives to read them.</p><p>Also, finding those CDs might be a bit of a struggle, but I'd be willing to look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I might be able to help... maybe... if no one else can.I remember archiving a bunch of floppy images onto CDs when I got rid of the original floppies a while ago... including , IIRC DOS 3.3 , and possibly GWBASIC.What I likely do n't have are drives to read them.Also , finding those CDs might be a bit of a struggle , but I 'd be willing to look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might be able to help... maybe... if no one else can.I remember archiving a bunch of floppy images onto CDs when I got rid of the original floppies a while ago... including, IIRC DOS 3.3, and possibly GWBASIC.What I likely don't have are drives to read them.Also, finding those CDs might be a bit of a struggle, but I'd be willing to look.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650337</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247242800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sys A: works too, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sys A : works too , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sys A: works too, no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649613</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649561</id>
	<title>Re:Contact Customer Support?</title>
	<author>Wain13001</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to do this all the time with game companies back in the nineties.  Often times they'd send me free copies of their C-64 programs and whatnot.  It is absolutely worth a shot even though nowadays the operator on the phone is probably not going to even understand your request and/or believe that such a product ever existed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to do this all the time with game companies back in the nineties .
Often times they 'd send me free copies of their C-64 programs and whatnot .
It is absolutely worth a shot even though nowadays the operator on the phone is probably not going to even understand your request and/or believe that such a product ever existed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to do this all the time with game companies back in the nineties.
Often times they'd send me free copies of their C-64 programs and whatnot.
It is absolutely worth a shot even though nowadays the operator on the phone is probably not going to even understand your request and/or believe that such a product ever existed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649419</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650651</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247244060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best you could do is probably some old version of Minix.  I'd just put DOS on there and use period software, instead of shoehorning modern software into it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best you could do is probably some old version of Minix .
I 'd just put DOS on there and use period software , instead of shoehorning modern software into it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best you could do is probably some old version of Minix.
I'd just put DOS on there and use period software, instead of shoehorning modern software into it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650661</id>
	<title>Re:Watch out on the usb floppy..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247244120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried running a Windows 95 boot floppy on a 286 and it hung every time.  I believe there were some 32 bit instructions in the code.  Yes, I know it was 16 bit OS, but you can use 32 bit instructions with a 0x66 override.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried running a Windows 95 boot floppy on a 286 and it hung every time .
I believe there were some 32 bit instructions in the code .
Yes , I know it was 16 bit OS , but you can use 32 bit instructions with a 0x66 override .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried running a Windows 95 boot floppy on a 286 and it hung every time.
I believe there were some 32 bit instructions in the code.
Yes, I know it was 16 bit OS, but you can use 32 bit instructions with a 0x66 override.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651015</id>
	<title>I remember this PC.</title>
	<author>shippo</author>
	<datestamp>1247245440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found an identical model at work about 15 yeas ago when clearing up. It came supplied with MS-DOS 2.x, a bus mouse, and some strange GUI software called Epson Taxi. If I recall correctly the floppy drives uses non-standard connectors, so it wasn't possible to fit anything of a larger capacity. I'm also certain that the second floppy drive wasn't working.</p><p>It was possible to get the thing onto our LAN using a boot floppy and an ARCNET card, but even that was tricky as it took some effort getting both DOS and the LAN software onto a 360K floppy.</p><p>Eventually I located a suitable 8-bit ISA hard disk controller and hard drive from elsewhere in the building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found an identical model at work about 15 yeas ago when clearing up .
It came supplied with MS-DOS 2.x , a bus mouse , and some strange GUI software called Epson Taxi .
If I recall correctly the floppy drives uses non-standard connectors , so it was n't possible to fit anything of a larger capacity .
I 'm also certain that the second floppy drive was n't working.It was possible to get the thing onto our LAN using a boot floppy and an ARCNET card , but even that was tricky as it took some effort getting both DOS and the LAN software onto a 360K floppy.Eventually I located a suitable 8-bit ISA hard disk controller and hard drive from elsewhere in the building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found an identical model at work about 15 yeas ago when clearing up.
It came supplied with MS-DOS 2.x, a bus mouse, and some strange GUI software called Epson Taxi.
If I recall correctly the floppy drives uses non-standard connectors, so it wasn't possible to fit anything of a larger capacity.
I'm also certain that the second floppy drive wasn't working.It was possible to get the thing onto our LAN using a boot floppy and an ARCNET card, but even that was tricky as it took some effort getting both DOS and the LAN software onto a 360K floppy.Eventually I located a suitable 8-bit ISA hard disk controller and hard drive from elsewhere in the building.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649661</id>
	<title>Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Abalamahalamatandra</author>
	<datestamp>1247240220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess it must be the difference between ages that causes someone to think that a cruddy DOS machine is actually something worth bringing back up.</p><p>Me, I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machines, quickly discovering how much more software I could run once I got Montezuma CP/M running on it and downloading public domain software from the local (multi-user) CP/M bulletin board system.</p><p>Once the actual PC came along, I think just about anyone who had run a CP/M system saw it for what it was: a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the bad, running on a machine that supported a bit more RAM (not 640K yet, RAM was way too expensive) and a slightly faster processor.</p><p>I'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped, kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a (previously fun) private party with a few of his friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it must be the difference between ages that causes someone to think that a cruddy DOS machine is actually something worth bringing back up.Me , I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machines , quickly discovering how much more software I could run once I got Montezuma CP/M running on it and downloading public domain software from the local ( multi-user ) CP/M bulletin board system.Once the actual PC came along , I think just about anyone who had run a CP/M system saw it for what it was : a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the bad , running on a machine that supported a bit more RAM ( not 640K yet , RAM was way too expensive ) and a slightly faster processor.I 'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped , kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a ( previously fun ) private party with a few of his friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it must be the difference between ages that causes someone to think that a cruddy DOS machine is actually something worth bringing back up.Me, I cut my teeth on Radio Shack Model 4 machines, quickly discovering how much more software I could run once I got Montezuma CP/M running on it and downloading public domain software from the local (multi-user) CP/M bulletin board system.Once the actual PC came along, I think just about anyone who had run a CP/M system saw it for what it was: a crappy copy that took none of the good from CP/M and just about all of the bad, running on a machine that supported a bit more RAM (not 640K yet, RAM was way too expensive) and a slightly faster processor.I'm sure users of any of several pre-PC architectures would feel the same way - that the PC came along and the party stopped, kind of like that kid everybody hated at school showing up to a (previously fun) private party with a few of his friends.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652165</id>
	<title>Re:Resurrected an old 386sx packard bell, never ag</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1247251080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I got into computers, that sort of scrounge-and-upgrade was challenging and very worthwhile. Now P4s rain from the sky...</p><p>But my XT still works, while I've had 4 or 5 P4s die on me. Says something about disposable construction vs value, eh?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I got into computers , that sort of scrounge-and-upgrade was challenging and very worthwhile .
Now P4s rain from the sky...But my XT still works , while I 've had 4 or 5 P4s die on me .
Says something about disposable construction vs value , eh ?
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I got into computers, that sort of scrounge-and-upgrade was challenging and very worthwhile.
Now P4s rain from the sky...But my XT still works, while I've had 4 or 5 P4s die on me.
Says something about disposable construction vs value, eh?
:(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650191</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652687</id>
	<title>Re:This might help...</title>
	<author>scourfish</author>
	<datestamp>1247253120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the hardware is worth something, and again, I don't know what the collectible value of the PC mentioned is, re-whitening it might decrease it's value.  I know several instances of relatives rebluing old guns they had and destroying the trade value on them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the hardware is worth something , and again , I do n't know what the collectible value of the PC mentioned is , re-whitening it might decrease it 's value .
I know several instances of relatives rebluing old guns they had and destroying the trade value on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the hardware is worth something, and again, I don't know what the collectible value of the PC mentioned is, re-whitening it might decrease it's value.
I know several instances of relatives rebluing old guns they had and destroying the trade value on them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649545</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650671</id>
	<title>Abject Denial</title>
	<author>digitalcowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247244180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I, for one, refuse to accept that 1984 was 25 years ago.  I was a teenager in 1984 and I'm pretty sure I still am.</p><p>So...  You might as well forget about the hot new computer you just found.  Without the ability to read a calendar or do basic math, you're not ready for a machine that powerful.</p><p>Did you hear that Michael Jackson is already in the studio recording a follow up for "Thriller?"  I hear it's gonna be <em>totally Bad, to the max</em>!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one , refuse to accept that 1984 was 25 years ago .
I was a teenager in 1984 and I 'm pretty sure I still am.So... You might as well forget about the hot new computer you just found .
Without the ability to read a calendar or do basic math , you 're not ready for a machine that powerful.Did you hear that Michael Jackson is already in the studio recording a follow up for " Thriller ?
" I hear it 's gon na be totally Bad , to the max !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one, refuse to accept that 1984 was 25 years ago.
I was a teenager in 1984 and I'm pretty sure I still am.So...  You might as well forget about the hot new computer you just found.
Without the ability to read a calendar or do basic math, you're not ready for a machine that powerful.Did you hear that Michael Jackson is already in the studio recording a follow up for "Thriller?
"  I hear it's gonna be totally Bad, to the max!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28687985</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>ocularDeathRay</author>
	<datestamp>1247565540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am just amazed this guy had a 13 foot monitor for that thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am just amazed this guy had a 13 foot monitor for that thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am just amazed this guy had a 13 foot monitor for that thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650443</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247243220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Ebay is your friend!</i> <br> <br>While technically you are correct, you just made me throw up a little in my mouth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ebay is your friend !
While technically you are correct , you just made me throw up a little in my mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ebay is your friend!
While technically you are correct, you just made me throw up a little in my mouth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652697</id>
	<title>No one mentioned this possiblity</title>
	<author>allaunjsilverfox2</author>
	<datestamp>1247253180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be a head of monumental proportions, but Contiki ( <a href="http://www.sics.se/contiki/" title="www.sics.se" rel="nofollow">http://www.sics.se/contiki/</a> [www.sics.se] ) could probably be made to run on it. It would give you a gui interface of sorts and ipv6 support, though I doubt you could use that part.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be a head of monumental proportions , but Contiki ( http : //www.sics.se/contiki/ [ www.sics.se ] ) could probably be made to run on it .
It would give you a gui interface of sorts and ipv6 support , though I doubt you could use that part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be a head of monumental proportions, but Contiki ( http://www.sics.se/contiki/ [www.sics.se] ) could probably be made to run on it.
It would give you a gui interface of sorts and ipv6 support, though I doubt you could use that part.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651525</id>
	<title>Re:Bootstrap via serial port?</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1247248200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please put your signature in your signature file.  It's in your user preferences.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please put your signature in your signature file .
It 's in your user preferences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please put your signature in your signature file.
It's in your user preferences.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650221</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651275</id>
	<title>coco3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247246700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dug up my Radio Shack Color Computer 3 a couple months ago, everything still worked. I miss the 8-bit days when you could actually Grok the whole machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dug up my Radio Shack Color Computer 3 a couple months ago , everything still worked .
I miss the 8-bit days when you could actually Grok the whole machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dug up my Radio Shack Color Computer 3 a couple months ago, everything still worked.
I miss the 8-bit days when you could actually Grok the whole machine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</id>
	<title>You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ebay is your friend!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ebay is your friend !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ebay is your friend!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650997</id>
	<title>The day my heart was broken</title>
	<author>SatanClauz</author>
	<datestamp>1247245380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried to get my old system running, but, quickly realized that for some reason my dad threw my old IBM PC Jr. out with the trash a few years ago<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:*(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to get my old system running , but , quickly realized that for some reason my dad threw my old IBM PC Jr. out with the trash a few years ago : * (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to get my old system running, but, quickly realized that for some reason my dad threw my old IBM PC Jr. out with the trash a few years ago :*(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28691531</id>
	<title>Re:You already know where to go for disks....</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1247588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be honest, the Epson Equity I is a piece of crap for this project. With less proprietary 8088s, you could find a more useful multi-IO card and get a 720k or 1.44mb 3.5" floppy in there, or maybe even a fairly beefy (16-bit) IDE drive and interface card. On this one, they have a proprietary floppy disk controller that can't be deactivated, so you're stuck using the 360kb drive, and from there it's not really worth the effort to do the hard drive thing.</p><p>The upside is, you don't need 360k floppy disks or a 360k floppy drive to create the disks you want, nor an ancient PC to run the drives.</p><p>Floppy standards are fairly consistent, so if you can find a 1.2MB drive with the interface cable attached, you should be able to format the disk to 360kb (format x:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/f:360k in ms-dos) and it should create a disk your 8088 can read, and do it from the comfort of your modern computer system. This is good because the 1.2MB drives can be found on pretty much any old 486 and even some early pentium systems so you should be able to get one for free if you ask around, and the disks are still manufactured so they're relatively cheap.</p><p>You can get boot disk images from <a href="http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bootdisk.htm" title="oldfiles.org.uk">here</a> [oldfiles.org.uk].</p><p>There are plenty of sites (usually abandonware sites) with software that'll run on an 8088. It'll take some searching, but it's better than spending outrageous prices for collector's items.</p><p>What's amazing about the XT era computers is that the floppy drives and the hard drives both ran much slower than a good internet connection does today. Helps you appreciate how far we've come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , the Epson Equity I is a piece of crap for this project .
With less proprietary 8088s , you could find a more useful multi-IO card and get a 720k or 1.44mb 3.5 " floppy in there , or maybe even a fairly beefy ( 16-bit ) IDE drive and interface card .
On this one , they have a proprietary floppy disk controller that ca n't be deactivated , so you 're stuck using the 360kb drive , and from there it 's not really worth the effort to do the hard drive thing.The upside is , you do n't need 360k floppy disks or a 360k floppy drive to create the disks you want , nor an ancient PC to run the drives.Floppy standards are fairly consistent , so if you can find a 1.2MB drive with the interface cable attached , you should be able to format the disk to 360kb ( format x : /f : 360k in ms-dos ) and it should create a disk your 8088 can read , and do it from the comfort of your modern computer system .
This is good because the 1.2MB drives can be found on pretty much any old 486 and even some early pentium systems so you should be able to get one for free if you ask around , and the disks are still manufactured so they 're relatively cheap.You can get boot disk images from here [ oldfiles.org.uk ] .There are plenty of sites ( usually abandonware sites ) with software that 'll run on an 8088 .
It 'll take some searching , but it 's better than spending outrageous prices for collector 's items.What 's amazing about the XT era computers is that the floppy drives and the hard drives both ran much slower than a good internet connection does today .
Helps you appreciate how far we 've come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, the Epson Equity I is a piece of crap for this project.
With less proprietary 8088s, you could find a more useful multi-IO card and get a 720k or 1.44mb 3.5" floppy in there, or maybe even a fairly beefy (16-bit) IDE drive and interface card.
On this one, they have a proprietary floppy disk controller that can't be deactivated, so you're stuck using the 360kb drive, and from there it's not really worth the effort to do the hard drive thing.The upside is, you don't need 360k floppy disks or a 360k floppy drive to create the disks you want, nor an ancient PC to run the drives.Floppy standards are fairly consistent, so if you can find a 1.2MB drive with the interface cable attached, you should be able to format the disk to 360kb (format x: /f:360k in ms-dos) and it should create a disk your 8088 can read, and do it from the comfort of your modern computer system.
This is good because the 1.2MB drives can be found on pretty much any old 486 and even some early pentium systems so you should be able to get one for free if you ask around, and the disks are still manufactured so they're relatively cheap.You can get boot disk images from here [oldfiles.org.uk].There are plenty of sites (usually abandonware sites) with software that'll run on an 8088.
It'll take some searching, but it's better than spending outrageous prices for collector's items.What's amazing about the XT era computers is that the floppy drives and the hard drives both ran much slower than a good internet connection does today.
Helps you appreciate how far we've come.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649603</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1247239980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No version of Linux will ever run on this machine - unless you don't mind running everything as root.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No version of Linux will ever run on this machine - unless you do n't mind running everything as root .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No version of Linux will ever run on this machine - unless you don't mind running everything as root.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651467</id>
	<title>Here you go-</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here you go-<br>http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#system</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here you go-http : //www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html # system</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here you go-http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#system</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649591</id>
	<title>Resurrect?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247239980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am posting this from an older PC than that, you insensitive clod!</p><p>Also, first post.  It took a long time to load the page over my 1200 baud modem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am posting this from an older PC than that , you insensitive clod ! Also , first post .
It took a long time to load the page over my 1200 baud modem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am posting this from an older PC than that, you insensitive clod!Also, first post.
It took a long time to load the page over my 1200 baud modem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28657261</id>
	<title>Re:Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>RockWolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247240520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>run Arachne and surf the WEB !!!!!!!!!!!!, heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>The whole slashdot?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>run Arachne and surf the WEB ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
! , heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot : ) The whole slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>run Arachne and surf the WEB !!!!!!!!!!!
!, heheh yes you can this baby on slashdot :)The whole slashdot?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28688761</id>
	<title>Re:Modern DOS will work</title>
	<author>SuiteSisterMary</author>
	<datestamp>1247574600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can lay hands on a Win95 CD, you'll find, somewhere on it, I forget where, a program to make a bootable Dos 7 floppy disk.  I don't know if that would fit on any variant of 5.25 floppy, as I don't recall if it actually gives you all the little progs and utils, but I do know it offers to load the good old misky-dex CD driver.</p><p>The intention is to make a bootable floppy which can then be used to run d:\setup.exe to get Windows 95 installed on something that can't boot from CD itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can lay hands on a Win95 CD , you 'll find , somewhere on it , I forget where , a program to make a bootable Dos 7 floppy disk .
I do n't know if that would fit on any variant of 5.25 floppy , as I do n't recall if it actually gives you all the little progs and utils , but I do know it offers to load the good old misky-dex CD driver.The intention is to make a bootable floppy which can then be used to run d : \ setup.exe to get Windows 95 installed on something that ca n't boot from CD itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can lay hands on a Win95 CD, you'll find, somewhere on it, I forget where, a program to make a bootable Dos 7 floppy disk.
I don't know if that would fit on any variant of 5.25 floppy, as I don't recall if it actually gives you all the little progs and utils, but I do know it offers to load the good old misky-dex CD driver.The intention is to make a bootable floppy which can then be used to run d:\setup.exe to get Windows 95 installed on something that can't boot from CD itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651709</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652957</id>
	<title>How to communicate on this thing</title>
	<author>Mycroft\_514</author>
	<datestamp>1247254080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I have somewhere at home, DOS 3.3 on a 720K floppy (And on the hard drive).  AND --- AND ----- a working external 360K floppy on the same machine.  This is an old Toshiba T1200, running an 8088 with 640K.  I think I might have some old 360K garbage floppies around too, though I would have to look for them.  I fire this beast up once a year or so, because it still does one thing the newer machines can't....RAW editting of a file on the disk hex bit by hex bit - the really old Norton Utilities....</p><p>Got this old machine new in 1988, then got a $100 class action suite return on it YEARS later.</p><p>And yes, I would like to see a 5.25" USB floppy somewhere too, just for grins and for a couple of old programs.</p><p>I also still have another machine that has a 1/2 height dual drive (5.25" 1.2 MB and 3.5" 1.4MB drive) and a tape drive and a CD drive.....  And it is on my home LAN, so I can acces sit from the other machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I have somewhere at home , DOS 3.3 on a 720K floppy ( And on the hard drive ) .
AND --- AND ----- a working external 360K floppy on the same machine .
This is an old Toshiba T1200 , running an 8088 with 640K .
I think I might have some old 360K garbage floppies around too , though I would have to look for them .
I fire this beast up once a year or so , because it still does one thing the newer machines ca n't....RAW editting of a file on the disk hex bit by hex bit - the really old Norton Utilities....Got this old machine new in 1988 , then got a $ 100 class action suite return on it YEARS later.And yes , I would like to see a 5.25 " USB floppy somewhere too , just for grins and for a couple of old programs.I also still have another machine that has a 1/2 height dual drive ( 5.25 " 1.2 MB and 3.5 " 1.4MB drive ) and a tape drive and a CD drive..... And it is on my home LAN , so I can acces sit from the other machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I have somewhere at home, DOS 3.3 on a 720K floppy (And on the hard drive).
AND --- AND ----- a working external 360K floppy on the same machine.
This is an old Toshiba T1200, running an 8088 with 640K.
I think I might have some old 360K garbage floppies around too, though I would have to look for them.
I fire this beast up once a year or so, because it still does one thing the newer machines can't....RAW editting of a file on the disk hex bit by hex bit - the really old Norton Utilities....Got this old machine new in 1988, then got a $100 class action suite return on it YEARS later.And yes, I would like to see a 5.25" USB floppy somewhere too, just for grins and for a couple of old programs.I also still have another machine that has a 1/2 height dual drive (5.25" 1.2 MB and 3.5" 1.4MB drive) and a tape drive and a CD drive.....  And it is on my home LAN, so I can acces sit from the other machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649533</id>
	<title>Amstrad PC1512</title>
	<author>sir\_eccles</author>
	<datestamp>1247239800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My parents dug up an Amstrad PC1512 while tidying their house and called me up asking me what to do with it. I said throw it away. They said isn't it worth something? I laughed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My parents dug up an Amstrad PC1512 while tidying their house and called me up asking me what to do with it .
I said throw it away .
They said is n't it worth something ?
I laughed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My parents dug up an Amstrad PC1512 while tidying their house and called me up asking me what to do with it.
I said throw it away.
They said isn't it worth something?
I laughed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651273</id>
	<title>Re:FreeDOS</title>
	<author>general\_re</author>
	<datestamp>1247246700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.</p><p>I actually know the machine you're talking about - except I had a HDD. I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.x</p></div><p>Heh.  I had the same Equity I also, but since my dad was something of a computer geek himself, he sprang for a 20MB hardcard for it.  At the time, 20MB seemed like it would be enough space to last me the rest of my life<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.I actually know the machine you 're talking about - except I had a HDD .
I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.xHeh .
I had the same Equity I also , but since my dad was something of a computer geek himself , he sprang for a 20MB hardcard for it .
At the time , 20MB seemed like it would be enough space to last me the rest of my life : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeDOS probably would boot on this machine.I actually know the machine you're talking about - except I had a HDD.
I know for a fact the thing will run MS-DOS 5.0.xHeh.
I had the same Equity I also, but since my dad was something of a computer geek himself, he sprang for a 20MB hardcard for it.
At the time, 20MB seemed like it would be enough space to last me the rest of my life :/
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651627</id>
	<title>Re:Dear God, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247248740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please, do remind us of all the good things in CP/M that was missing from DOS. You may be the only one who still knows these things!</p><p>dom</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , do remind us of all the good things in CP/M that was missing from DOS .
You may be the only one who still knows these things ! dom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, do remind us of all the good things in CP/M that was missing from DOS.
You may be the only one who still knows these things!dom</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649661</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649705</id>
	<title>Re:5.25" floppy disk drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247240400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>whoever modded "run Linux Distros" like Damn Small Linux as informative should hand in their nerd card right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>whoever modded " run Linux Distros " like Damn Small Linux as informative should hand in their nerd card right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whoever modded "run Linux Distros" like Damn Small Linux as informative should hand in their nerd card right now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649479</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28653395</id>
	<title>Re:I have experince with this.</title>
	<author>bitrex</author>
	<datestamp>1247255880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you been to Radio Shack lately? Man, I'd love to see the look on the employee's face when someone comes in looking for SIPP memory modules for a 286!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you been to Radio Shack lately ?
Man , I 'd love to see the look on the employee 's face when someone comes in looking for SIPP memory modules for a 286 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you been to Radio Shack lately?
Man, I'd love to see the look on the employee's face when someone comes in looking for SIPP memory modules for a 286!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649793</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28651213</id>
	<title>HUGE!</title>
	<author>digerata</author>
	<datestamp>1247246340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 13 Foot monitor?  What a great find!</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 13 Foot monitor ?
What a great find !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 13 Foot monitor?
What a great find!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650227</id>
	<title>Spinal Tap slip?</title>
	<author>sdhoigt</author>
	<datestamp>1247242440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; 13' RGB monitor</p><p>Oof... they sure made monitors big back then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 13 ' RGB monitorOof... they sure made monitors big back then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; 13' RGB monitorOof... they sure made monitors big back then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649773</id>
	<title>What are you guys talking about?</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1247240700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went to school for programming, and I've only been out for a year, so I'm still pretty new to all this. But what on Earth does "Cut your teeth" mean?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to school for programming , and I 've only been out for a year , so I 'm still pretty new to all this .
But what on Earth does " Cut your teeth " mean ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to school for programming, and I've only been out for a year, so I'm still pretty new to all this.
But what on Earth does "Cut your teeth" mean?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650399</id>
	<title>Re:Pimp tips !</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1247243040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think Arachne limits you to text only web surfing if you run it on  80286.  If so Lynx or eLinks (not sure if that one works) might be better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Arachne limits you to text only web surfing if you run it on 80286 .
If so Lynx or eLinks ( not sure if that one works ) might be better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Arachne limits you to text only web surfing if you run it on  80286.
If so Lynx or eLinks (not sure if that one works) might be better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28655921</id>
	<title>What you mean resurrect a PC this old?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247227260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you saying you've got other PC's with more than 512K RAM memory in them? Oh, but that's impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you saying you 've got other PC 's with more than 512K RAM memory in them ?
Oh , but that 's impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you saying you've got other PC's with more than 512K RAM memory in them?
Oh, but that's impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650051</id>
	<title>IBM Style PC's are new fangled crap.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that old.  It's still a pc for gosh sake.  I have Atari's and Commodores and more that have longer beards and still work fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that old .
It 's still a pc for gosh sake .
I have Atari 's and Commodores and more that have longer beards and still work fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that old.
It's still a pc for gosh sake.
I have Atari's and Commodores and more that have longer beards and still work fine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28650429</id>
	<title>Re:Yesterdays PC, todays Embedded chip</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1247243160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was a drop in replacement.  It's supposed to run a little faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a drop in replacement .
It 's supposed to run a little faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a drop in replacement.
It's supposed to run a little faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28649895</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_1334244.28652133</id>
	<title>Starting over</title>
	<author>peterofoz</author>
	<datestamp>1247250960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since you have a unique opportunity to start afresh, don't load windows 3.1, start with DR-DOS and GEM.
<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS</a> [wikipedia.org]
</p><p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical\_Environment\_Manager" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical\_Environment\_Manager</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you have a unique opportunity to start afresh , do n't load windows 3.1 , start with DR-DOS and GEM .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical \ _Environment \ _Manager [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you have a unique opportunity to start afresh, don't load windows 3.1, start with DR-DOS and GEM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical\_Environment\_Manager [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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